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ALRIGHT, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO REALLY, YEAH.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, I'LL APOLOGIZE TO YOU.
WE SENT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
UH, WE CONVENED THE WORK SESSION TO ORDER AT FIVE 30, AND HERE WE ARE 40 MINUTES LATER.
WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
WE'LL TRY TO EXPEDITE OUR DISCUSSIONS SO THAT WE DON'T HOLD YOU UP FURTHER.
WE DISCUSSED, UH, REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR THE 2020 BUDGET YEAR.
UH, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS ARE AS SOLID AS THEY CAN BE, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME REVENUE STREAMS THAT MAY BE OPEN TO SOME FUTURE QUESTION, BUT WE'LL DEAL WITH IT AS IT EMERGES.
WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, EXPENSES, THE ITEM OF THE BUDGET THAT WE CAN CONTROL IS, IS NOT REVENUE, BUT EXPENSES.
UH, AS OF TODAY, WITH EQUIPMENT ALL IN THE, A FUND DEFICIT IS $1,265,191.
THE B AND DB FUND DEFICIT ONE 411,356, UH, DOLLARS, WHICH BRINGS OUR TOTAL DEFICIT.
MY INFORMAL MATH WAS WRONG, BUT THE TOTAL DEFICIT IS $2,676,547.
NOW, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE, UH, WORKING INTO TO COME UP WITH SOME, UH, EXPENSE REDUCTIONS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL.
UH, AND THOSE EXPENSE REDUCTIONS REPRESENT A FIRST STEP TOWARDS TRYING TO OFFSET THE TREMENDOUS FUND IMBALANCE THAT WE NOW HAVE.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO SAMANTHA TAR SINSKI TO LEAD THE BOARD IN AN ANALYSIS OF THE EXPENSES THAT, UH, WE PROPOSED TO ELIMINATE IN PART OR IN WHOLE TO LESSEN THE BLOW.
SO, SAMANTHA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
SO I HAD DISTRIBUTED TO THE ENTIRE BOARD, UM, LAST WEEK BY EMAIL AND THEN ALSO IN YOUR MAILBOXES.
UM, THE BUDGET MONITORING REPORT FOR OUR GENERAL FUND, OUR B FUND AS WELL AS DB, WHICH IS HIGHWAY, UM, AND OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
UM, I'LL ALSO MAKE THAT DOCUMENT AVAILABLE KATHY, TO THE TOWN CLERK.
SO THAT CAN BE POSTED, UM, WITH THE MINUTES.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT INFORMATION WAS, WAS AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT I HAD GIVEN ALL OF YOU.
UM, KIND OF GOING OVER THE BIG PICTURE WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, AND NOW THE, THE SPECIFIC ACCOUNTS.
THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE NOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN GREAT ABOUT STARTING TO TAKE ACTION WITH, UM, LIMITING PART-TIME WORK, LIMITING OVERTIME, UM, CANCELING ANY SEMINARS THAT WILL BE ATTENDED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
AND NOW THAT ALL OF THOSE STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN, WE NEED TO PHYSICALLY TRANSFER THE MONEY OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT'S ACCOUNTS.
UM, AND WE WILL BE TRANSFERRING INTO CONTINGENCY ACCOUNTS TO OFFSET THE POTENTIAL REVENUE LOSSES THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
SO THESE BUDGET MONITORING REPORTS, THESE WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL, TO ALL OF YOU ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
NOW, I HAVE A, UM, WITH MY ASSISTANT KIM, AS WELL AS RECHER AND MKI, WE ALL WORK ON THESE.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN, UH, AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE WITH OUR PROJECTIONS.
SO AS WE KNOW MORE, UM, I THINK ON A MONTHLY BASIS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION AND HAVE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS LIKE THESE, UM, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WITH ITEMS LIKE SALES TAX AND MORTGAGE TAX, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE HIT THE WE ARE RIGHT NOW THINKING WE'LL BE HIT THE HARDEST.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A POTENTIAL IF WE DON'T RECEIVE THE LT MONEY, THAT THAT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN THAT WE HAVEN'T PROJECTED FOR.
SO WE AREN'T GOING TO KNOW THE EFFECT OF ALL OF THOSE ITEMS UNTIL AFTER WE WOULD'VE ALREADY SPENT THIS MONEY.
SO THESE ARE PRECAUTIONARY STEPS SO THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE DO GET THOSE AMOUNTS IN, WE HOPE THAT WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TO HELP SOFTEN THAT LOW BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE 2021 BUDGET AND WHAT IMPACTS FROM THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC MIGHT STILL BE OCCURRING IN THE ECONOMY WITH MORTGAGE TAX AND SALES TAX.
SO WHAT I'VE PROVIDED FOR YOU TODAY, AND ALSO I PUT A COPY TO THE TOWN CLERK, IS A LIST OF BUDGET TRANSFERS, UM, TO START TRYING TO CHIP AT THESE PROJECTED DEFICITS THAT JIM JUST MENTIONED.
UM, SO MY GOAL THIS EVENING IS TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS ON HERE WITH ALL OF YOU, AS WELL AS ANY IDEAS
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FOR FURTHER COST REDUCTIONS IN SAVINGS.UM, WE WON'T PASS ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS TONIGHT.
WE CHANGE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT THE BOARD ISN'T IN AGREEMENT WITH, WE ADD ANYTHING NEW TO THIS.
UM, YOU GIVE ME AND DEPARTMENTS SOME INSTRUCTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN I HOPE WE HAVE SOME VERSION OF THIS PASSED ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS, OUR, OUR, OUR BIG DEPARTMENTS, I THINK THAT REALLY REQUIRE THE MOST ANALYSIS FROM THE BOARD AS A WHOLE ARE, ARE LARGER DEPARTMENTS, WHICH ARE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, HIGHWAY POLICE AND
UM, SO FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSIONS REALLY SHOULD FOCUS.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS, UM, WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYONE ELSE, WE DON'T REALLY, I MEAN THE, THE BUDGETS ARE SO MINUSCULE IN COMPARISON TO THOSE LARGE DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD AGREE ON A PRELIMINARY COST CUTTING PERCENTAGE AND INSTEAD OF TAKING MONEY FROM THE, THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY OF THE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTS SET A PERCENTAGE, SAY 15 OR 20%.
I, YOU GUYS CAN START WHEREVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE.
AND TOMORROW WHAT I CAN DO IS I WILL SEND OUT AN UPDATED ONE OF THESE SHEETS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ITEMS ON HERE THAT, THAT WE REALLY DO NEED INPUT FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RECREATION ACCOUNTS THAT AREN'T INCLUDED ON HERE BECAUSE I NEED TO MEET WITH MARTY DONKEY, UM, TO UNDERSTAND WITH PROGRAMS NOT BEING OPEN, WHAT ACCOUNTS WE CAN REDUCE MORE.
UM, AND THAT JUST HADN'T HAPPENED IN TIME FOR TONIGHT MM-HMM
BUT THE HOPE IS WE GIVE THIS TO DEPARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE POLICE VEHICLES ARE ON HERE.
THEY HAVE AN ORDER IN FOR THAT LAST VEHICLE THIS YEAR.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OFF THIS LIST.
SO THE GOAL IS TO HAVE DEPARTMENTS RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM ME BY THE INSTRUCTION OF ALL OF YOU SAYING YOU EACH NEED TO REDUCE YOUR BUDGETS BY 15% OR 20% FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THEY CAN SEND TO ME, UM, BY THE END OF THE DAY WEDNESDAY, A LISTING OF WHAT ACCOUNTS THEY WANT TO REDUCE, WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD IT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR
AND THEN IF THEY ALL SEND ME, UM, A LISTING OF WHAT I CAN REDUCE, I WILL THEN SEND AN UPDATED ADJUSTMENT SHEET WITH ALL OF YOUR CHANGES AS WELL AS WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD ME THEY CAN DO FOR A BOARD RESOLUTION FOR MONDAY NIGHT AS OUR STARTING PRELIMINARY STEP, UM, IN MAKING UP FOR THIS DEFICIT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO AT THE TOP OF THIS SHEET, UM, YOU CAN SEE I'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS ON HERE, THE TOTAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THE ER, THE ENTERPRISE FUND AT THE BOTTOM, THE PROJECTIONS THAT, UM, ADJUSTED ADJUSTMENTS I'VE COME UP WITH THIS EVENING ARE ABOUT $562,000 FOR THE A FUND TAX BASE AND $184,000 FOR THE B FUND TAX BASE.
SO EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES I'M PROPOSING, THAT STILL LEAVES US WITH ALMOST A $2 MILLION OVERALL DEFICIT STILL THAT WE NEED TO WORK AT, UH, 700,000 OF WHICH IS IN OUR GENERAL FUND.
AND A LITTLE OVER 1.2 MILLION IS IN THE B SLASH DV FUNDS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, IF EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ON THIS SHEET, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU A GENERAL SENSE FOR MOST OF 'EM THAT REDUCTIONS WERE MADE TO PART-TIME, OVER TIME AND, UM, AND SEMINARS BASED ON THE RESOLUTIONS THAT THIS BOARD HAD ALREADY PASSED.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE RELATE TO THAT.
UM, POLICE WE HAD AN, JIM AND I HAD ANALYZED TODAY, UM, SOME OF THE, THE SPENDING THERE AND WHERE SOME MEANINGFUL CUTS COULD BE MADE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL DISCUSS IT FURTHER WITH THE CHIEF.
ANOTHER ITEM IN HERE, THE DEFENSIVE DRIVING COURSE.
WE JUST CANCELED THAT, UH, PROGRAM IN OUR LAST MEETING.
SO THAT BUDGET HAS BEEN ZEROED OUT.
SO FOR THE MOST TIME, WHAT YOU SEE IN HERE IS ACTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN AS WELL AS, UM, GAS AND OIL AND OUR HEAT, LIGHT AND POWER UTILITIES.
WE'RE PROJECTING ALL OF THOSE COSTS LOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD BUILDINGS THAT WEREN'T OPEN, UM, AND NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT THEY NORMALLY ARE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT GAS PRICES ARE DRAMATICALLY LOWER THAN WHAT, WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE.
SO WE'VE TAKEN SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS THERE.
I DIDN'T WANNA CUT ANY OF THESE TOO CLOSE IN OUR FIRST ROUND OF ADJUSTMENTS.
AS WE MOVE MONTH TO MONTH, UM, AND START HAVING MORE MONTHS OF DATA, THEN WE CAN START HONING IN ON
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THOSE NUMBERS EVEN MORE.UM, SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF WHAT THESE ADJUSTMENTS ARE.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED TO GO LINE BY LINE, BUT IF ANY ARE STANDING OUT TO ANY OF YOU THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, WE CAN START THERE AND THEN MOVE ON TO ANY NEW IDEAS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE AFTER YOU'VE DONE THIS ANALYSIS.
SOMETHING I'LL BRING UP, UH, IT'S NOT ON THIS PAGE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE FOR B AND G, THEY HAVE, UH, AN ACCOUNT THAT THEY USE TO DO WORK, UH, PLAYGROUNDS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY NEED TO BUY SOMETHING, ARE WE ALLOWING THEM TO, UH, DO THAT WORK? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO USE THAT
OH, LIKE THOSE ITEMS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WAS IN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT NOW.
AND I'M NOT SURE THE ACCOUNT NUMBER.
HERE'S, HERE'S SOMETHING HERE ON THE B AND G ON THIS PAGE, YOU'LL NOTICE IT SAYS, UH, ALMOST, UH, THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY DOWN PLAYGROUNDS AND REC B AND G OVERTIME, PLAYGROUNDS AND REC MAINTENANCE.
SEE, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE GUY.
I MAY BE THE THING, I'M NOT SURE, RIGHT.
THEY HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
YOU KNOW, UH, SO LET ME JUST SEE HERE.
AND NOW THEY HAVE A, A VARIETY OF ACCOUNTS AS WELL.
SO IF UNDER A 71 40 IN OUR BUDGET MONITORING REPORT, RIGHT.
LOOKING AT THIS, THEY HAVE, LET ME SEE, THEY HAVE, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES ACCOUNT.
THAT'S THE ONE YOU SEE ON THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT BY 25.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ACCOUNT WITH 29,000 IN IT, OF WHICH THEY'VE SPENT ABOUT 2,600.
AND NOW THAT'S JUST FOR PLAYGROUNDS AND REC.
ONCE YOU MOVE DOWN TO, UM, LAKEVIEW ROAD REC CENTER, THEY HAVE $32,000 THERE FOR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, ANOTHER 10,000 IN REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE TOWN PARK, THEY ALSO HAVE ACCOUNTS SUCH AS THAT AS WELL.
SO THE QUESTION THAT I WILL HAVE IS, I'D BE CAREFUL TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THAT.
WHEN OUR GUYS NEED MONEY TO GET TO DO THE WORK, TO GET THE JOB DONE, WE STILL HAVE TO PERFORM SERVICES, WE STILL HAVE TO, TO WORK ON OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
MY QUESTION IS, IS CAN WE, UH, CAN YOU TAKE MONEY FROM A TRUST FUND? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE AGENCY, THE FUNDS THAT WERE FORMALLY USED AS THE KNOWN AS THE SB PARK FUNDS.
THOSE, UM, WALTER, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND THE, THE SB PARK FUNDS THAT, UH, THE MONEY COMES IN, IT'S TRUSTED AGENCY MONEY, IT WAS CALLED FOR A WHILE, HAS TO BE USED FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS. IT HAVE BE USED FOR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THE CATEGORIES ON OUR, THAT THE NEW YORK STATE GIVES US AS CLASSIFICATIONS AND ACCOUNT TITLES ARE VERY VAGUE.
SO TO KNOW WHAT THIS MONEY IS SPENT ON VERSUS WHAT COULD BE ABSORBED BY THAT, I THINK IS A QUESTION THAT PROBABLY WALTER, UH, AND MARTY COULD HELP US.
THE THING OFFHAND IS THAT IS WE COULD USE THE MONEY OUT OF THAT TO LET THE GUYS CONTINUE DOING THEIR WORK.
AND YOU, YOU TAKE IT AWAY HERE, CAN WE DO A PETER FOR PAUL TO TRY MM-HMM
I THINK THIS, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS RAISED TONIGHT.
TO START, I'M SURE ALL OF US ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AFTER THIS.
UM, SAM, I THINK ON MY LIST, WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS, IS IS PART OF THIS FUND 71 40, UH, FOUR 13.
I THINK THAT'S THE FUND FOR MAINTENANCE REPAIR OF THE PLAYGROUND.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S IT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE BUDGETED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON USING TOWARDS LIKE THE PLAYGROUND RENOVATIONS, BUT CANDIDATE PERHAPS SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA USE ALL THAT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU? YEP, I WILL LOOK IT AROUND.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND POINT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS GONNA LEAD INTO THE SECOND CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BONDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, WE MAY FIND THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP SPENDING THAT MONEY ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S A NECESSARY IMPROVEMENT TO THE YEAH, I GUESS THE NEGLECT OF THE DETERIORATION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION, SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES.
UH, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF, WAIT, WAIT THOSE TWO OUT.
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ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THESE ACCOUNTS OR CONCERNS, SAM? YEAH, THE CENTRAL PURCHASING, HEAT, LIGHT AND POWER.UH, WE HAD ALREADY MOVED SOME OF SOME OF THAT MONEY OUT, UH, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, DIDN'T WE? AND WE MOVED IT INTO THE CONTINGENCY ACCOUNTS, OR COULD BE TRANSFERRED BACK OR
TO THIS ACCOUNT SO THAT WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THE OPENS, WE COULD THEN SPEND IT ELSEWHERE.
THAT WAS DONE, UM, WITH I BELIEVE THE 2019 BUDGET.
SO NOW THIS WAS THE BUDGET WE, WE HAD IN HERE, 425,000.
OUR UTILITIES SO FAR ARE COMING IN BELOW PROJECTIONS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, BUT THAT ISN'T GREAT NEWS FOR US EITHER, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THE REASON WE HAD CONSOLIDATED THIS FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE FOR KAREN AND SEAN, UM, HEAT, LIGHT AND POWER WAS BEING BILLED INDIVIDUALLY UNDER NUMEROUS DEPARTMENTS.
AND WE WOULD BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY THAT WAY.
IF WE HAD ROUGH WINTERS OR THE COST WENT UP, WE WOULD BE PREPARED.
HOWEVER, WHAT KIND OF ENDED UP HAPPENING IS EACH, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD THIS OFTENTIMES WOULD THEN USE THAT MONEY TO PLUG BUDGET DEFICITS AND GAPS ELSEWHERE.
AND WE HAD THOUGHT THAT IT SHOULD BE THE BOARD'S DETERMINATION IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THIS ACCOUNT TO SPEND IT, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE TOWN AS WE SEE FIT.
SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW REDUCING THAT BUDGET, I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S MONEY THAT MM-HMM
COULD HAVE WENT OTHER PLACES NOT FOR THIS.
YOU NOTICE IN PARK MAINTENANCE PART-TIME, UH, THAT LOOKS, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE BEACH OPERATIONS, RIGHT.
UH, SAM, WHEN WE LOWERED, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SET FOR 30, UH, THE MAINTENANCE.
THEIR, THEIR BUDGET FOR, UH, TODAY
THAT MIGHT BE CUTTING THEM A LITTLE CLOSE, BUT WE'LL SEE.
AND THIS, THIS IS JUST A, A STARTING POINT.
WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT FEEDBACK WE RECEIVE ON THESE AND HOPEFULLY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, IF THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS CAN SEE, UH, CONCESSIONS BEING MADE.
YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A PERCENTAGE, UH, LOOK, IN MY OPINION, UH, MAYBE GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ASK THEM TO, TO FIND 10% AND SAVINGS.
I DUNNO IF YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOSING, WE HAVE TO STILL PROVIDE SERVICES.
SO, AND I THINK THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS US TELLING THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS 10% LARGER DEPARTMENTS.
I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MORE IN SOME INSTANCES.
BUT FOR THE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS WHERE YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MEAN, AND ALSO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE PERSONAL SERVICES.
PROBABLY LIKE FOR, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
ASSESSING ONE OF THE FIRST DEPARTMENTS I FLIPPED OPEN TO.
SO THEIR TOTAL BUDGET IS $338,000.
SO THAT INCLUDES, I MEAN, HALF, MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR BUDGET.
$190,000 IS PERSONAL SERVICES.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE CONTRACTS FOR OUR, UM, WE PAY ORCHARD PARK FOR OUR ASSESSOR MM-HMM
SO I DON'T THINK INCLUDING THE WAGES IN THIS, I, WE SHOULD JUST DO IT FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND CONTRACTUAL.
SO LOOKING AT THEIR EQUIPMENT AND CONTRACTUAL, THEY, THEY HAVE ABOUT $150,000 IN THOSE COSTS.
SO IF YOU $150,000 IN THOSE COSTS, SO IF YOU TELL 'EM 10%, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO CUT $15,000 OFF OF THEIR BUDGET.
UM, WHICH BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE HERE, I THINK WOULD BE REASONABLE.
UM, IN SOME CASES WITH THESE SMALLER DEPARTMENTS, I MEAN, EVEN LOOKING AT THEM, THAT MIGHT BE A STRETCH BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE ABOUT 130 OUT OF THE 140 OR 150,000 IS IN ACTUAL AGREEMENTS MM-HMM
SO IN SOME INSTANCES THE DEPARTMENTS MIGHT HAVE TO REPLY AND SAY, CAN'T DO IT.
BUT YOU GOTTA PUT, YOU GOTTA PUT IT TO THEM AND, AND THE RESOLUTION BE ADOPTED, INSTRUCTED THAT THE PLEASE COME BACK TO US WITH, WITH, UH, 10%, 15, WHATEVER WE DECIDES APPROPRIATE MM-HMM
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A QUESTION OF WHAT CAN LEGITIMATELY BE DONE.
UM, AND SO JUST TO, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF THESE, AND NOW OBVIOUSLY THERE'S EMPLOYEE BENEFITS IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THIS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, BUT FOR OUR GENERAL FUND, OUR APPROPRIATIONS ARE ABOUT $18 MILLION.
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10% OF THAT OFF, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.8 MILLION IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, THAT I THINK, I THINK WE PROBABLY, THAT WOULD COME OUT TO BEING CLOSE BECAUSE THAT 1.8 MILLION INCLUDES A LOT OF SALARIES.OUR SALARIES MAKE UP EASILY HALF OF OUR COSTS.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEFICIT OF 700,000 RIGHT NOW, I THINK 10% HOPEFULLY COULD GET US TO A NICE PLACE.
WOULD THAT WOULD BE, HAVE TO BE 10% ACROSS THE BOARD ON ALL EIGHT FUND DEPARTMENTS.
IT GETS A LITTLE TOUGHER WHEN YOU GET INTO RECREATION AND B AND G.
YOU'RE ALSO GONNA INCLUDE, LIKE YOU'RE TAKING MONEY FROM RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY 10% YEAH.
SO DO WE WANT THE 10% IN ADDITION TO CUTTING, I MEAN, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE CUTS THAT ARE OUTLINED ON HERE, OR I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
I WOULD, I WOULD, FOR, IN MY OPINION, I WOULD ASK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ON 10% IN COST SAVINGS MINUS YOUR ARIES AND YOUR CONTRACTUAL MM-HMM
AND LET THEM ANSWER BACK TO US AND GO FROM THAT.
LET THEM CUT IT THEMSELVES FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
UM, AND IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH 10% OR I THINK BECAUSE ORIGINALLY 20, IF WE USE THESE PLUS THAT 10%, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE CLOSER TO 15.
PLUS WE'VE ALREADY CUT THE SEMINARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST FOR OPENER, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET INTO ARM TWISTING AND, AND NEGOTIATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR 10, BUT IN ON TOP OF THAT, INCLUDE THIS IN AND LET'S SEE WHERE IT ALL SHAKES UP.
IN MY OPINION, I IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS AND GS, BUT THAT'S MY THING.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE DOING 10%, EXCLUDING THE WAGES AND THE SEMINARS, WE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS ON THE WAGES.
SO 10% OF THEIR ACTUAL CONTRACTUAL AND EXPENSES, I THINK WE'RE HANDLING BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN.
THE DECISIONS ON THE PERSONNEL AND STAFFING YOU'VE ALREADY SOMEWHAT MADE WITH YOUR HIRING FREEZE.
UM, AND WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THOSE AREAS, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE 10% ON THOSE REMAINING AREAS WE HAVEN'T YET ADDRESSED.
THE DIFFICULTY, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFICULTY IS GONNA BE, IF WE GET DOWN TO IT IN AUGUST, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ELIMINATING SOME POSITIONS.
WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT, BUT WE'VE NEVER GONE THROUGH A CRISIS LIKE IT'S EITHER, SO YEAH.
AND THE, THE, THE SALARY AND OUR EMPLOYEE BENEFIT COSTS ARE SOMETHING THAT EVERY BUDGET YEAR WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ONLY INCREASING AND THEN WE END UP NOT PUTTING AS MUCH MONEY INTO OUR FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, TALKING BOND ISSUANCE BECAUSE THERE, THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT BALANCE THERE.
UM, SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS OR DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA BRING UP SOME OTHER TOPICS OR, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS BASED ON THE BUDGET MONITORING DOCUMENT? CAN I ASK YOU THIS? SO ON, ON THE GOLF COURSE HERE? SO THE GOLF COURSE HAS A, A SEPARATE FORM OF MONEY PUT ASIDE IN IT.
UH, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT GO INTO IT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA TRY AND BUILD THAT UP, BUT, UH, WHAT IS THE REST OF THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT NOW? WHAT DO WE PROJECT? SO ON THE, THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT CAME WITH THE INITIAL DOCUMENT I PREPARED LAST NIGHT, WHAT WE HAVE ON HERE.
UM, SO THE GOLF COURSE REOPENED, UH, TO LIMITED CAPACITY IN MID-MAY.
THERE IS LIMITED LEAD PLAY IN TEE TIMES, UH, ARE ALSO LIMITED REVENUES.
SO RIGHT NOW ON THESE PROJECTIONS MM-HMM
WE ARE EXPECTED, UH, WE'RE EXPECTING A REDUCTION IN REVENUE, UM, AND COULD UNDERPERFORM THE BUDGET BY APPROXIMATELY $211,000.
UM, UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF GOLF COURSE WILL BE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE COURSE OPEN IN LIMITED CAPACITY.
SOME SAVINGS FROM PART-TIME LABOR IS EXPECTED TO MIMIC THE REVENUE TRENDS.
ADDITIONAL SAVINGS COULD OCCUR IF SPENDING RE RESTRICTIONS, UM, ARE IMPLEMENTED.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE EXPECT THE GOLF COURSE TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF APPROXIMATELY $116,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, THE ACTUAL RECEIPT, LET ME LOOK ON THIS DOCUMENT.
I KNOW MARTY HAD GOTTEN ME SOME AND HE THOUGHT AS FAR AS VOLUME WISE, UM, HIS PASSES WERE DOING WELL.
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YOU ARE DOING VERY WELL.WE OPENED SEAN AROUND JUNE THE FIRST DIDN'T WHAT? RIGHT AROUND THAT, RIGHT AROUND THE FIRST, UM, LAID OVER.
SO IT ISN'T, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDED ON HERE.
SO, UM, WHAT I CAN DO FOR MONDAY IS I CAN GET SOME NUMBERS FROM MARTY.
THERE'S ALWAYS A LAG FROM THEIR CONNECT COLLECTIONS INTO GETTING IT TO THE FINANCE OFFICE.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS SHOW UP ON THESE REPORTS VERY WELL.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE HE DID SAY THAT AT LEAST THE VOLUME, UM, WAS DOING WELL.
OF COURSE THEY ARE AT A LOWER COST BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS.
SO, SO IF COMING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, IF NEED BE, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT IF NEED BE, CAN THAT FUND BE USED TO MAKE UP ANY PROTOCOLS WITHIN THE GOLF COURSE, LIKE THE FUND BALANCE THERE? MM-HMM
UM, YES, I WILL FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I JUST NOTICED ON MY LIST OF FUND BALANCE, UM, WE'VE BEEN DWINDLING HOW MANY ENTERPRISE FUNDS WE HAVE LATELY.
SO THOSE, UH, FUND BALANCES ARE NOT ON HERE, WHICH I WAS LIKE ONE SIX GOLF COURSE IS ALWAYS THE ONE, UH, IS THE ONE OUTTA ALL OF THEM THAT YES.
WE HAVE THREE NOW, DON'T WE? ENTERPRISE FUNDS? UM, NO, WE ONLY HAVE TWO NOW.
WELL, NO, THE TOWN PO THE TOWN BEACH IS NOW IN THE GENERAL OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE THE ICE ARENA AND THE, AND THE GOLF COURSE NOW.
NOW THAT WOODLAWN BEACH IS GONE AS WELL.
UM, SO YES, I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE, UM, AND GET BACK, GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU ON MONDAY.
UM, AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT AS FAR AS THESE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS GO, WE MADE NO CHANGES TO, TO, UH, SPEAKING OF ENTERPRISE FUNDS, UH, THE ICE RINK BECAUSE THAT'S, I WOULD THINK A LITTLE PREMATURE AT THIS POINT TO DO ANYTHING SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THAT SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON QUITE YET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD ADDRESS LATER ON IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER ONCE WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THEY PLAN ON OPENING, THEY PLAN ON OPENING AFTER LABOR DAY OVER THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER.
ANYTHING ELSE, UM, ON THIS SHEET HERE OR ADDITIONAL ACCOUNTS? I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS OF WHERE WE CAN SAVE MONEY INSTEAD OF BEING, UH, THE BEARER BAD NEWS, I FIGURE, UH, SAVE MONEY OR INCREASE REVENUES OR INCREASE ASSESSMENT MM-HMM
AND RIGHT NOW I STOPPED DOWN AT, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT TODAY.
IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE, THE BUILDING'S COMING UP, STUFF GETTING BUILT, BUT I KNOW IT'S GONNA COME THIS YEAR.
AND I THINK, YEAH, SO I, SO THROUGH FIVE 30 WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE OUR BUILDING PERMITS, WE BUDGET $350,000.
WE'VE BROUGHT IN ABOUT 78,000.
SO I MEAN, WE'VE ONLY COLLECTED ABOUT 22%, SO THEY'RE REALLY PICKING UP NOW.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT YEAH, I KNOW TIME THAT HAD JUST PASSED WOULD'VE BEEN THE BUSY PART WAS A BIG, YEAH.
SO BECAUSE I KNOW NORMALLY WE MAKE MORE THAN HALF OF OUR MONEY BY MAY, BUT WITH ALL OF THE, THE ISSUES WITH ACTUALLY STARTING ANYTHING, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT REALLY PICKS UP NOW BECAUSE THAT KIND OF BUSY PART HAS PASSED JUST FOR EVERYONE TO, SO THAT THEY KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SHOWING A GUY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR A BIT NOW AND ONE OF OUR OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT IS OUT AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT BRINGING FORMER EMPLOYEE AND PART-TIME COUNTER, LIKE IF WE GET UP AND ROLLING AGAIN, LIKE THINGS START GOING, I KNOW WE HAVE A HIRING INCREASE AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT STUFF JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOWN TWO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUNCTION, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW THEY'RE GOING.
JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND ARE THEY BOTH ARE BEING OUT, ARE OUT ONE'S ON WORKER'S COMP, BUT ONE GUY'S ON WORKER'S COMP AND I'M GUESSING THE OTHER ONE PROBABLY HAS TIME TO BE USING.
SO WE ARE PAYING THE COST OF BOTH.
BUT BY MISSING THE TWO FULL-TIMERS.
WE DID BRING THE PART-TIMER IN TO JUST DO THE COUNTER.
THAT'LL FREE UP THAT GO IN THE FIELD.
WE ONLY HAVE TO GO THAT ROUTE, JUST EVERYBODY KNOW.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE FROM A BUDGET PER TOO BEHIND NOW WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN ADDITION AND YOU, YOU COULD COME BACK ON SECOND ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, I, AND THEN ANOTHER SHAPE.
AND AS EVERYTHING IS REALLY CHANGING ON A DAILY, WEEKLY BASIS, UH, I'LL JUST USE A GOLF COURSE AS AN EXAMPLE.
I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN WHERE THIS IS THE CASE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS, WE WERE AT, UH, 16 MINUTES IN BETWEEN, UH, ROUNDS BETWEEN GOLFERS GOING OUT IN THE COURSE, UH, LAST YEAR WAS
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EIGHT MINUTES.SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT JUST THAT FACT ALONE, YOU'RE TALKING HALF OF THE REVENUE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE GOLFING FEES POTENTIALLY, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SHORTER HOURS, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, ON THE COURSE IN GENERAL.
SO YOU COMBINE THAT AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THEY'VE GONE FROM 16 MINUTES DOWN TO 12, AND I KNOW THE PLAN WAS TO TRY TO GET TO EITHER 10 OR EIGHT, UH, AT SOME POINT.
SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH ALL THE PROJECT, UH, THE, UH, TOWN, UM, DEPARTMENTS AND THE BUILDING BE ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE THAT, UH, YEAH, IF, IF THINGS REALLY OPEN UP AND PHASE FOUR IS SUCCESSFUL AND, UH, THE PENT UP DEMAND ALLOWS BUSINESSES AND GOLFERS TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING, WE COULD SEE THINGS TO RUN.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT THAT IT VERY WELL COULD GO THE OTHER WAY AND WE COULD BE JUST BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAVE, HAVE THESE PROJECTIONS EVEN BE BELIEVED IF THINGS GO THE OTHER WAY.
SO IT'S JUST, I GUESS MY, MY WORD IS JUST CAUTION TO ALL OF US AND THE RESIDENTS, UH, THAT THIS SITUATION IS SO FLUID AND, AND, AND CHANGING SO RAPIDLY THAT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, SAM'S DOING A GREAT JOB GIVING US PROJECTIONS AND SAYING ON TOP OF THINGS.
UH, BUT IT IS A LOT OF GUESSWORK, UNFORTUNATELY.
'CAUSE IT'S, UH, SO UNPREDICTABLE AND, AND TO KIND OF GO OFF ON, ON THE SAME NOTE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE.
SO FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND DURING THE WEEK, IT'S DEAD.
RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE NEXT REPORT.
BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU'RE SLOTTED IN SCHEDULES AND EVERYBODY'S DESPERATE TO GET OUT THERE, THEY MIGHT BE OUT THERE ALL DAY.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD DO BETTER THAN, THAN WE THINK.
I DON'T WANNA, THIS WEATHER, I DON'T WANNA, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM, UH, UH, SEASONED PASS HOLDERS THAT THEY CAN'T GET ON THE COURSE.
IT'S SEVERAL DAYS BOOKED IN ADVANCE DURING THE WEEK.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO BY THE GOLF COURSE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON ON A TUESDAY OR THURSDAY, UNLESS THERE WAS LEGAL, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS EMPTY.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL DAY, IT MIGHT HELP.
BUT I'M TRYING TO BE OPTIMISTIC.
WELL, I THINK THEY'RE IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE HAD AN INCREASE OF DEMAND BECAUSE OF THE COVID CRISIS.
LIKE WHEN I THINK MIKE HAD BROUGHT IT UP, MAYBE IT WAS JIM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN PARK MAINTENANCE PART-TIME MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OF A DEMAND THAT HAMILTON BEACH HAS SEEN A LOT MORE ATTENDANCE THERE NOW SINCE MM-HMM
NO LONGER HAVING WOODLAWN THERE.
AND BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S ENGAGING IN MORE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE, ARE RAMPED UP MORE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN LAST YEAR, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA FACE DIFFERENT DEMANDS THAN, THAN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO, SO, UM, I, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP WITH OUR BUDGET MONITORING, I GUESS WITH THIS PROCESS.
MY VISION FOR IT IS, UM, AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE SIXTH, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION AS OUR FIRST STEP.
I ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE WITH DREHER AND MILWAUKEE, WHEREBY THE JULY 20TH MEETING, WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW FRESH SET OF NUMBERS.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, RECREATION IS THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT.
THE, THE REVENUES COMING IN, THAT'S MORE OF A DELAY THAN, UM, LIKE THE TOWN CLERK PROCEEDS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO BY THE NEXT REPORT, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AS UP TO DATE INFORMATION AS WE CAN.
UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, EVERY WEEK EVEN THAT INFORMATION JUST HELPS US EVEN MORE.
SO THE JULY, SORRY, CAN I ASK YOU THAT? SORRY.
UM, SO FOR OUR NEXT, WHEN YOU GET YOUR NEXT REPORT ON THE 20TH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INCLUDE FROM THAT PERIOD LAST YEAR TO THIS PERIOD SO WE CAN COMPARE? YEAH.
IF YOU HAVE THAT JUST FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME RECORDING, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, AND FOR ALL OF OUR REVENUES PROBABLY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO.
UM, THE ONES WHERE THERE'S THE BIGGEST LAG OF RECREATION, SO I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE END OF JUNE, AND THEN I WILL JUST MANUALLY ADD IN THE REVENUES FOR RECREATION BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE BIGGEST FLUCTUATIONS ARE GOING TO BE COMING.
UM, SO THAT'LL BE THE JULY 20TH MEETING.
AND I ENVISION, I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WHERE EVERY BOARD MEETING, WE PROBABLY, YOU GUYS AT LEAST SPEND 20 MINUTES REVIEWING THIS INFORMATION MM-HMM
OR POTENTIALLY CREATING A NEW LISTING OR POTENTIALLY ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, BECAUSE THIS JUST ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY OR FIX ITSELF.
UM, SO ONCE WE LOOK AHEAD, THAT'S JULY 20TH.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON AUGUST 3RD.
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AUGUST 17TH MEETING THE NEXT BUDGET MONITORING REPORT.SO REALLY AT EVERY MEETING WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ACTION OR UPDATE, UM, IS HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, SAM.
SO I WOULD ENVISION THAT A RESOLUTION WHICH WOULD HAVE AN ATTACHMENT OF ALL OF THE ACCOUNT ACCOUNTS SUCH AS THIS, UH, INDICATING THAT THE FOLLOWING OR THE ATTACHED ACCOUNT, UH, ARE TRANSFERRED FROM THE, THE ACCOUNT.
UM, SO I WILL UTILIZE THIS DOCUMENT, THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED FROM ALL OF YOU TONIGHT, AS WELL AS THE 10% FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
ALL OF THOSE ACCOUNTS WILL BE PUT ON HERE.
UM, I'M GOING TO PRE-FILE IT THURSDAY AS IS, I HOPE THE DEPARTMENTS GET ME THE INFORMATION, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT BY MONDAY I WILL HAVE AN AMENDMENT, UM, JUST SO WE CAN BE AS ALL ENCOMPASSING AS POSSIBLE WITH THEM.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE EVERYTHING THAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE TELLING US, YOU KNOW, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT SHOULDN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH ANALYSIS, UM, SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOW THEIR FINANCING SITUATION THE MOST.
UM, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS LISTING OR MAYBE POTENTIAL THINGS THAT WE CAN ADD TO THIS? WELL, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE ONCE THEY INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS GET BACK TO US.
I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT I NOTED THAT WERE ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF MISCELLANEOUS LINES AND, UM, PERMANENT AND IMPROVEMENTS MM-HMM
YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, REALLY, WE GET THREE MONTHS, WHICH IS 25% OF THE YEAR.
WHICH WOULD BE LIKE OPERATIONAL COST.
I THINK THE 10% ALONG WITH THIS IS, IS VERY FAIR AND MAYBE NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO LOOK FOR OTHER THINGS AND, AND AGAIN, ONCE THEY COME BACK WITH THEIR SUGGESTIONS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STILL LOOK ACROSS AND, AND SOME OF THESE LINES.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE, UH, 25% OF THE YEAR AND IN MOST CASES, WHETHER IT BE MAINTENANCE, MILEAGE, GAS LINE, OR SOME OF THAT YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING INCORPORATED HERE, LIKE EVEN, UM, THINGS LIKE OR USAGE.
ARE WE, HOPEFULLY THE DEPARTMENTS WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE, THAT WE DEAL WITH, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S, THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE WE WANNA LOOK AT.
WE WANNA LOOK AT, UH, UH, LEASING, UH, POLICE CARS IN THE FUTURE AS IT RELATES TO, IT REALLY IS NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR PATROL BECAUSE YOU KNOW SO MUCH MILE.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE DETECTIVES, UH, THEY'VE GOT 14, 15 CARS.
UH, WE MIGHT BE A LOT BETTER OFF, UH, GETTING INTO THREE TO FOUR YEAR LEASES.
EVEN SOME OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE WHEN CARS FROM BUILDING INSPECTION OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THOSE CARS WERE VERY OLD, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MILES ON THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING DRIVEN AS MUCH MILES.
SO, SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE LOW MILES, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW.
WELL THE CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS, THEY'VE ALWAYS COMPLAINED.
THEY GET ALL THE HAND ME DOWNS FROM THE POLICE AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS WE'VE UPGRADED WITH THE HAND ME DOWNS GOT BETTER AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT'S ONLY GOT ONE CAR.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT AN UPGRADE NOW.
AND I'M THINKING THERE A, I MEAN, WHEN YOU ADD THAT UP DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE NOT UTILIZED, THAT I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS MIGHT BE A SPOT EITHER WHERE WE COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT CUTTING, IT'LL BE JUSTING TO SEE WHAT THEY PROVIDE TO US.
AND, AND WE MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT IN THOSE LINES HAVING TO DO WITH CARS AND MOTOR VEHICLE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT, THAT RESOLUTION IS ON THE TABLE.
I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD PASS THAT ON MONDAY.
WHAT'S THAT? UM, THE APPROVING EXPENSES, UM, IF IT'S OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS OH YEAH.
FOR EQUIPMENT, PERSONAL PROPERTY.
BECAUSE AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT, UM, AND ANY, ANY KIND OF EQUIPMENT OR VEHICLE GOES, I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN AN EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, SOMETHING IS PURCHASED, IF WE COULD LIMIT, UM, OUR SPENDING ON EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEARS, IT WOULD INTERESTING.
WE COULD ESTIMATE TWO THIRDS OF OUR REMAINDER BUDGET, UH, FOR THOSE ITEMS, UM, CAN BE UNSPENT AND LEAVE ONE THIRD OF IT IN THERE.
THAT WAY IF WE DO HAVE AN ACTUAL VEHICLE BREAKDOWN EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTION AND IT CAN NO LONGER WORK AND IT HAS TO BE REPLACED FOR WORK TO BE ABLE TO BE DONE, WE DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS, WE CAN AFFORD THIS YEAR TO BE A YEAR WHERE WE STAY ON LIKE A NORMAL ROTATION OF EQUIPMENT WHERE YOU GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S SET FOR, IF I MAY, ON THAT POINT.
SO IF, IF WE LIMITED, UH, THAT YOU CAN'T SPEND A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON IT, WELL WE GET, GET BOARD APPROVAL.
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MY CONCERN WITH DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, THEY NEED TO GET SOMETHING DONE.I WILL BE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THAT.
IF GO TO THE SUPERVISOR AND YOU COULD SIGN OFF ON IT OR SAY NO, IF THERE'S THAT OPTION, THEY NEED IT RIGHT NOW.
THEY CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SET IN THERE THAT ONE PERSON CAN AUTHORIZE IT AND GET IT DONE QUICK.
I, I WOULD, I I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
AND, AND IF IT AND INDEED, IF, IF THERE WAS NO LONGER, IF THERE WAS A DISPUTE, RIGHT.
I SAID NO, THE DEPARTMENT SAYING, JIM, YOU'RE WRONG.
YOU, I COULD EVEN DO, UH, AN EMAIL CANVAS OF THE BOARD, JUST SOME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST BEFORE WE WERE ON BOARD, BUT I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR, BUT IN THE COMING YEARS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING
DON'T, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, LIKE A CAR POOL MM-HMM
UM, HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE PAST FEW YEARS IS, UM, THE VEHICLES COME FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE USUALLY ONLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD.
THEY HAVE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF MILES ON 'EM, WHICH A LOT OF THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AS WE SAID, DON'T PUT A LOT OF MILES ON THE VEHICLES.
SO INSTEAD OF PAYING THE 5,000, THEY GET A TRADE IN VALUE OF LIKE FIVE TO 10,000 FOR A VEHICLE.
WE PAY THAT INSTEAD OF, I DON'T THINK WE'VE PURCHASED A BRAND NEW VEHICLE OTHER THAN FOR HIGHWAY BMG AND POLICE.
ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ANY KIND OF VEHICLES.
I KNOW THERE'S OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WE HAVE KIND OF FOUND THAT WAY AND SAVINGS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL SEE IMMEDIATELY, BUT MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING INTO NEXT YEAR HAVING TO PURCHASE MORE VEHICLES MM-HMM
AND I KNOW, I THINK POLICE, THEY, I MEAN THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR POLICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, LOOK, THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, TRYING TO FIND NEW VEHICLES TOGETHER BECAUSE A LOT OF THE VEHICLES ARE PRICING THEMSELVES OUT.
THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR CHARGING STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE DOWN, IT'S SOMETHING WE GOTTA, WE'RE NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
CHARGING STATIONS ACTUALLY A PROJECT THAT PAUL BECKER WAS PAYING FOR YOU MOVING ON IN ONE OF, ONE OF THE MANY PROJECTS BETWEEN THE, THE VILLAGE AND THE TEMPLE.
WELL, AND THAT SERTA GRANT THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE, THOSE CHARGING STATIONS, IT'S, I I OUT, I DON'T KNOW IT'S GONNA THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY, UM, FREE MONEY CHARGING STATIONS, IT'S WORTH, WE, EVEN IF WE ONLY IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, A FEW CARS AT A TIME.
AND I THINK POLICE IS DEFINITELY THE ONES WHO PURCHASE THE MOST VEHICLES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, FOLLOWED BEHIND BY HIGHWAY B AND G.
I KNOW RECREATION LOOKS, UM, FOR THEIR VANS.
ALRIGHT, SHOULD WE KICK THIS AROUND ANYMORE? IS EVERYBODY OKAY? MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC.
MY ONLY LAST THOUGHTS IS KIND OF WRAP IT UP IN TERMS OF YOUR, YOUR INITIAL QUESTION, WHICH IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER CHANGES I THINK WE REALLY, AND I THINK ABOUT, TALKED ABOUT IT REALLY LEANING ON THE DEPARTMENT HUS, THEY KNOW THESE BUDGETS INSIDE AND OUT.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STARTING POINT.
UM, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THINGS GO.
BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL EITHER PROGRAMS OR FACILITIES OR, OR, OR ACTUAL MAYBE MORE SIGNIFICANT CUTS, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AS TO WHAT POSSIBILITIES MIGHT EXIST THAT UM, ESPECIALLY IF THIS DOESN'T TURN INTO JUST A ONE YEAR, BUT IT'S POSSIBLY NOW GONNA BE A TWO YEAR, UH, BUDGET HIT THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY ONLY TRIP SO MUCH TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE TAX RATE DOWN.
THERE'S A POINT THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS A REALLY BIG SIGNIFICANT CUT INTO EITHER A PROGRAM OF FACILITY, SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE, THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSITIVE, IT'S MOVING ANOTHER DIRECTION, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE IF WE HAVE A TWO YEAR.
IN THOSE CASES, IT RUNS INTO PROGRAMS WHERE IT RUNS INTO FULL-TIME STAFFING FACILITIES OR PERSONNEL YEAH.
PROGRAMS, FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL MAKING ON PERSONNEL DOWN THE LINE.
I THINK BEFORE THAT WAS PROBABLY BETTER OFF LOOKING AT THE, THE BENEFITS BEFORE ACTUALLY PULLING IN POSITIONS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE, BUT IT'S SO FRUSTRATING YOU GUYS ALL THIS, I THINK YOU'VE ALL AGREED THE, THE SALARY AND WAGE PACKAGE ADDED TO THE FULL RANGE OF BENEFITS, WHICH ADDS ABOUT 35, ALMOST 40%
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TO THE GIVEN SALARY.IF YOU'RE AT 60,000 A YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA GET 25 TO 30,000 BENEFITS ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS, THE BLUE COLLAR AGREEMENTS, WHICH GOVERN B AND G FOLKS ON OUR HIGHWAY PEOPLE, UH, ARE DRAFTED SUCH THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE LAYOFFS OF FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES UNTIL YOU'VE EXHAUSTED LAYOFFS OPTIONS FOR ALL OF THE PART-TIMERS IN EACH DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.
WELL NOW JIM, I WONDER, UM, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS ARE NEGOTIATED THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
I BELIEVE YOU'RE STARTING TO WORK WITH THE WHITE COLLAR.
YOU GOT THE WHITE COLLAR WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
UM, I WONDER IF THIS WOULD BE A POINT, UM, WHERE WE, YOU REACH OUT TO THE UNIONS AND SPEAK TO THEM IF WE SAY WE'RE FACING A SITUATION WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO START CUTTING ACTUAL FULL-TIME IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE ANY BENEFIT CONCESSIONS OVERALL, BECAUSE A LOOK MIGHT BE BETTER THAN SO THE TO LOSING PEOPLE.
SO MAYBE THEY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD COME TO THE TABLE.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA MEET THEM ON THE WHITE COLLAR AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE A DATE SET UP FOR, UH, UH, A MEETING WITH, UH, MR. TON AND MARTY
I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, 2% MIGHT BE OKAY TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT THIS YEAR.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S, WE'RE ALMOST IN A DEFLATIONARY PERIOD.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO SEND THE EMAIL OUT THEN THAT ATTACHES THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL.
I'M SURE A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE LISTENING RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL EXPLAINING 10% OF WHAT AMOUNT, UM, AND ASK FOR THEIR REPLY BY THE END OF THE DAY WEDNESDAY.
UM, I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS REPLYING.
I CAN COPY YOU ALL ON THE EMAIL OR SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
WOULD YOU PREFER IF RESPONSES ONLY COME TO ME SO I CAN PUT ONE COHESIVE PACKET TOGETHER? YES.
THAT WAY AND OPENING AND PRINTING AND MISSING.
SO I'LL PUT THAT WHOLE PACKET TOGETHER, UM, THAT WAY YOU HAVE THAT THURSDAY AT SOME POINT WHEN I FILE THIS RESOLUTION AS WELL.
WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK KIDS, SHOULD WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS? CONSIDER FINANCING ALTERNATIVES FOR THE LED PROJECT.
THE NEXT ITEM, UH, SAM, YOU HAD SENT A MEMO TO EVERYBODY.
DID EVERYBODY HAVE THIS ONE OR ON JUNE 19TH? IS THAT RING BELL WITH EVERYBODY? JOEL, YOU DON'T HAVE YOURS MIKE.
DO YOU GUYS WANNA SHARE? YEAH, YEAH.
IS THAT OKAY KAREN? I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE HERE.
IS EVERYONE GOOD OR DO YOU NEED ONE MORE OVER THERE? DO YOU NEED ONE? I SHARE WITH JIM.
WELL STEM IS NOTED HERE, GUYS AND GAL.
SO WE GOT A ROUGHLY SPEAKING 0.76% RATE OF INTEREST, WHICH IS HISTORICALLY LOW.
UH, JUST
OUR, UH, OUR DOUBLE A TWO RATING IS AS GOOD AS IT'S EVER BEEN.
SO THANKFULLY IT'S, UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW WALTER RUTH, YOU CAN MAYBE HELP US.
THE LED PROJECT, CONSERVATIVE OVERALL COST OF 6 52.
SIX 17, WALTER, DOES THAT SEEM APPROPRIATE? APPROPRIATE NUMBER, UH, IN THE BALLPARK? THIS IS THE, THAT'S THE EXACT ESTIMATE I RECEIVED FROM TANKO LIGHTING.
SO THIS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
WELL THE VARIABLES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UTILITY IS GONNA BE CHARGING US FOR THESE FIXTURES.
SO
YEAH, THAT'S A, YEAH, THAT'S A, SO THE $6 MILLION, 6 MILLION OH 52 6 1 7, THAT IS THE CONSERVATIVE COST ESTIMATE FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
UM, THEY'VE
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UM, WHICH SINCE THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE 12 TO 18 MONTHS AND THIS STARTS OFF AS A BAN, WHICH YOU, YOU RENEW ANNUALLY.IT HAS A ONE YEAR TERM UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
IF THE PROJECT GOES OVER THAT NUMBER, WE CAN BORROW MORE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO FROM THE COST STANDPOINT WHEN WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO HIGHER, AND I DO THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE THEIR BEST ESTIMATE, THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY A MAJOR CONCERN.
WHEN YOU FIGURE WE'RE SPREADING THE COST OUT OVER 15 YEARS, THE CONCERN IS MORE SO IN THE ANNUAL SAVINGS, UM, OF 521,000, WHICH COULD FLUCTUATE BASED ON UTILITY RATES.
IS THAT, IS THAT BASED ON AN AVERAGE UTILITY RIGHT NOW? OR IS HOW DID YOU GET TO THE 5 21 2 7 6? THIS IS, THIS IS ENTIRELY THEIR, UH, CALCULATION.
UH, SO THEY HAVE, UM, BASICALLY THEY HAVE A TOTAL COST MEASURE FOR EACH, THERE'S 25 AREAS OF THE TOWN MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL ELECTRIC SAVINGS IN KILOWATTS, AN ANNUAL DEMAND SAVINGS, ANNUAL OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE SAVINGS, UM, TO CALCULATE AN ANNUAL ELECTRIC SAVINGS.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE A SIMPLE PAYBACK PERIOD ON HERE AS WELL AS SOME INCENTIVES.
SO I, I
I THINK ONCE THEY FIND THE NUMBER ON HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO YEAH.
THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN GO, UM, BEFORE MONDAY'S MEETING, I CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM AND SEE HOW CONFIDENT THEY ARE.
I THINK THAT IT ALL IN THE PROJECT COST IS 6,052,000.
UH, IF YOU THINK THAT NUMBER IS PRETTY, PRETTY LEGITIMATE, UH, THEN WE'LL KNOW ONCE WE CAN PIN THE UTILITY COSTS, WE'LL KNOW TO THE DOLLAR ALMOST HOW MUCH IT'S HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA SAVE.
BUT THE PROJECTED SAVINGS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
THE, SO I'VE BEEN ASSURED BY THEM THAT THAT 6 MILLION IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE WORST CASE SCENARIO ESTIMATE THAT THEY'VE DONE THEIR BEST JOB ON.
JUST WITHOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TO ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AS, AS SOON AS THE CONTRACT'S SIGNED, THEY CAN START DOING THAT WORK.
SO BY THE TIME WE BORROW, THAT NUMBER WILL BE LOWER.
AND MORE ACCURATE, I THINK THE PLACE WHERE MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE IS IN THE ANNUAL SAVINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT RATES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
SO TO ME THAT'S THE VARIABLE WE DON'T KNOW MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT'S THE ONE I'M CONCERNED WITH, KIND OF UNDER GETTING MORE CONFIDENCE IN.
UM, ALSO I'M, I CAN ASK THEM AND SEE UM, HOW MUCH, IF THEY HAVE REAL WORLD EXAMPLES OF THESE ESTIMATES THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES IN NIAGARA COUNTY AND ERIE COUNTY HAVE DONE THIS AND SEE HOW CLOSE THEY'VE COME TO THAT MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN, UM, AS FAR AS THE DEBT GOES.
SO LOOKING AT THE 15 YEAR TERM, OUR PAY, OUR PROJECTED PAYMENT WOULD BE 455,000 JUST FOR THE LED PORTION.
SO TO ME, I WOULD THINK THE 455,000 VERSUS THE ANNUAL SAVINGS OF 521,000 HERE, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD MARGIN OF ERROR THAT THIS DEBT COVERS THIS PROJECT.
US ADDING OTHER PROJECTS TO IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE MIGHT NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIATION THERE, BUT THIS PROJECT ITSELF IS A COST SAVER.
WHY SO, UM, WHEN YOU BOND ANY PROJECT, IT'S THE SAME THING.
IF YOU GO TO GET A CAR LOAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A 20 YEAR CAR LOAN BECAUSE YOUR CAR ISN'T GONNA LAST 20 YEARS.
SO FOR EVERY DIFFERENT KIND OF PROJECT THAT YOU DO WITHIN A DEBT ISSUANCE, THERE IS, UH, IT'S CALLED THEIR, THE PPU, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE INTENDED USEFUL LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO TYPICALLY THESE PROJECTS ARE BORROWING AT EITHER 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS, IS WHAT CAPITAL MARKETS ARE.
DEBT ADVISORS HAS TOLD US THIS IS WHAT'S ALLOWABLE AND REALLY REALISTIC MM-HMM
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THE SCHEDULE, THE 10 YEAR ONE, WE WOULD BE PAYING MORE THAN WE WOULD BE SAVING.SO THAT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THE VIABLE OPTION.
UM, I, I GOT ESTIMATES FOR 20 YEARS, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE THEN PAYING MORE INTEREST.
SO 15 SEEMS TO BE THAT SWEET SPOT.
SO NOW WE CAN CARRY THIS BAND FROM YEAR OVER TO YEAR BEFORE WE GO TO PERMANENT FINANCING.
YOU COULD DO IT UP TO FIVE YEARS OR FOR A BAN.
SO ARE WE INCORPORATING THE, THE LOANS THAT WE'RE PAYING OFF IN 2021 GOING FORWARD? AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS, NO, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
BY THE TIME WE GO TO PERMANENT FINANCING, WE'RE GONNA BE KNOCKING SOME OF THESE BONDS OFF AND THAT MONEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USED TO FINANCE THE PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE, UM, A 2002 BOND THAT WE HAVE ABOUT $33,000 IN PAYMENTS TO MAKE.
OUR LAST YEAR ON THAT IS 2021.
SO THAT 32,000 WILL BE FREED UP IN 22.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT $85,000 OF DEBT SERVICE THAT OUR FIRST FREE BUDGET YEAR WILL BE 2024.
AND THEN THAT SAME YEAR ACTUALLY WE HAVE A, UH, ANOTHER SMALL ONE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER $10,000.
UM, WE WON'T HAVE TO BUDGET FOR IT IN 24.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH, THERE'S A LITTLE, AND THEN WE JUST ISSUED DEBT IN 17.
THAT'S REALLY OUR BIG CHUNK OF DEBT.
SO THAT IS NOT COMING OFF UNTIL 35.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS IF WE CARRIED OUR BAN FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS UNTIL THEY'RE PAID OFF, AND THEN THAT THE MONEY THAT WE'RE USING TO PAY THAT OUT COULD CONTRIBUTE TO OUR PROJECT GOING FORWARD.
A ROUGH IDEA ABOUT HOW MUCH WE CAN, UH, GO AND BOND FOR IF PROJECTS WE CAN DO WITHOUT RAISING TAXES OR IF WE HAVE TO RAISE TAXES A LITTLE BIT.
CAN YOU GIVE US THOSE OPTIONS? SO WHEN YOU HAVE A BAN, TYPICALLY EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU RENEW IT MM-HMM
YOU PAY DOWN A SLIGHT AMOUNT ON IT.
SO DURING THOSE FIVE YEARS, YOU WILL STILL BE MAKING PAYMENTS CORRECT.
UM, SO I HOPE TO GET YOU GUYS BETTER ESTIMATES ON THESE PAYMENTS.
UM, I'M GOING TO NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE THINKING OF BECAUSE THE, THE ESTIMATE THAT I GAVE YOU INITIALLY, SOME ROUGH NUMBERS.
WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE PPP, THE USEFUL LIVES OF THESE PROJECTS, THOSE AFFECT YOUR ISSUANCE.
SO IF, SO SAY WE'RE DOING A 15 YEAR ISSUANCE, THE LED COST IS SPREAD ACROSS THAT WHOLE TIME, BUT, UM, IF WE DO, LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE IT PROJECT, THAT MIGHT BE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A USEFUL A, I DON'T WANNA SAY USEFUL LIFE BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT.
SO THE PPU OF THAT MIGHT IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO SEVEN YEARS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE COMPONENTS WITHIN A BAND.
SO SAY WE HAVE A A THROUGH D, EACH ONE OF THOSE CAN HAVE ITS OWN USEFUL LIFE.
SO WITHIN THE ONE PART MIGHT BE 15 YEARS AND THAT'S SPREAD OUT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE SHORTER PARTS MM-HMM
SO OUR DEBT WILL BE FRONT LOADED BECAUSE WE CAN'T WAIT TO START PAYING THOSE OFF.
SO THAT REALLY, I TRY TO PUT IT IN AS SIMPLE A TERMS AS POSSIBLE TO GET US STARTED.
BUT I CAN'T NECESSARILY TELL YOU HERE'S HOW MUCH A $9 MILLION BAN COSTS.
BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW WHAT LENGTH OF PROJECTS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND COST ESTIMATES.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO START DOING IS IF WE DISCUSS POTENTIAL PROJECTS TONIGHT, SOME POTENTIAL COSTS, WHAT I GUESS I CAN DO THEN, UM, MY HOPE IS FOR THE NEXT MEETING I CAN BRING EACH OF YOU SCHEDULES THAT SHOW HOW MUCH THIS ONE IS, HOW MUCH THIS ONE IS, AND THEY'LL ALL BE ON THEIR OWN PIECES OF PAPER.
SO THEN YOU CAN PUT THEM, YOU KNOW, MIX 'EM TOGETHER AND SEE WHERE YOUR PAYMENTS END UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PART OF OUR CONVERSATION IS GONNA BE TAKING A LOOK AT THE, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN MAYBE MORE ON A WANT LIST, SOME ARE MORE OF A NEEDLESS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT UP YEAR, YEAR TO YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO REALLY DETERMINE WHAT'S GONNA RISE TO THE TOP.
BUT THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF THE CONVERSATION IS WE HAVE TO, UM, LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD FUND SOMETHING.
BECAUSE WHILE SOMETHING MAY RISE AT THE TOP, THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS FOR US TO
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FUND IT.SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ALMOST LIKE SLIDE IT INTO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND IF SOMETHING COULD YEP.
YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD CAN GET DIRECTION THAT NO, YES, THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO FUND IT.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET, THERE MAY BE SOME GRANT, THERE MAY BE SOME GRANT MONEY EXACTLY.
MONEY AND SOME OTHER WE JUST LOST, OR WE CAN'T GET, UH, GRANT FUNDING FOR THE 58, 60,000 IN THERAPEUTIC POOL IMPROVEMENTS, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.
UH, SHAWN RYAN HAD GIVEN US A, A PROMISE OF 75,000.
HOWEVER, IF WE AGREE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT 75,000, UH, STAYING AWAY FROM PA PAVING, UH, AND GET BACK TO HIS ASSISTANT BY WEDNESDAY, THAT'S MONEY THAT WE CAN USE WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT, ABOUT DISH BORROWING TO, TO ME, UH, PRIORITIES TO ME FOR GOING OUT INTO, UH, MARKET FOR NUMBER ONE, HAMBURG BEACH BATHROOMS I ORDERED TO ME.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING WOULD BE, UH, STREETS.
WE PROMISED, UH, TO GET SOME MONEY FOR STREETS TO DO SOME STREETS AND DRAINAGE.
I, BY STREETS YOU MEAN HAVEN? YES.
I, UH, I WANNA TELL YOU THE A DA COMPLIANCE THING, NOT ONLY AT THE TOWN HALL, AT THE BEACH, SORRY, BUT WE DO HAVE ISSUES AT TOWN HALL TOO.
UH, NOW IT MAY WELL BE, WHO KNOWS, YOU GUYS KNOW CONSTRUCTION BETTER THAN I DO.
UH, TO DO FIRST FLOOR RESTROOMS HERE MIGHT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOME, SOME REMEDIATION AS IT RELATES TO ASBESTOS IN THE BACK POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT MIGHT BE A LOGICAL PLACE TO THINK ABOUT RESTROOMS. BUT WE GOTTA DO SOME, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'D HAVE TO PUT ANOTHER, WELL, YOU COULD DO THAT TOO, UH, CHEAPER.
I'M NOT SURE YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER.
AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE, THE BEACH.
SO I THINK A DA COMPLIANCE, UH, IS, WE'RE LEGALLY MANDATED AND WE'RE MORALLY OBLIGATED TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
AND WE MAY HAVE TO SEND AN EMAIL TO MALUS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, A PROJECT FOR THE HAMBURG TOWN BEACH, UH, AND HOPE THAT THE GRANT COULD BE SECURED FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAKE THOSE RESTROOMS HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.
YOU THINK THIS IS ALL CDBG FUNDS THAT THIS YEAR? BECAUSE AS PART OF THE OVERALL, A I GOTTA ASK COMPLIANCE.
I, I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME FIGURES HE HAD GOTTEN TO US AND ACTUALLY THE HAMBURG TOWN BEACH WERE, UM, ALLOCATED FOR, WHICH THEN RAISED THE QUESTION FOR ME, IF, IF WE CAN USE CDDG FUNDS YEAH.
UM, FOR A DA COMPLIANCE, ARE WE BETTER TO MAP OUT A PLAN? YEAH.
AND I KNOW HE, I THOUGHT HAD ALREADY FIGURED ON SPENDING OR ALLOCATING ABOUT 250,000 OF THAT THIS YEAR.
AND I, I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT SOMEHOW THAT FIGURE STICK IN MY HEAD THEN GOING FORWARD, IF WE EVEN TOOK, AND I ASKED HIM FOR FABLE, THEN HOW MUCH MORE FOR US TO COMPLIANT, ROUGHLY, I THOUGHT HE SAID ABOUT 500,000.
SO IF WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S TAKE, AND WE WANNA DO THIS IN A PHASED APPROACH, HOW MANY EVERY YEARS ARE WE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA USE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OF CDG? SO WE ACCOMPLISH, AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT PROJECTS, BUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY, WHAT'S THE BEST CATEGORY? GEEZ, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOUR, YOU MAY BE RIGHT.
YOUR, YOUR RECOLLECTION MAY BE SHARPER THAN MINE.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CHECK ON HIM FIRST THING.
THE AM OR IF HE'S LISTENING IN TONIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK ON HIM BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
IF WE CAN SAVE BORROWING FOR OTHER PURPOSES, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
CDG, I KNOW IT SAYS ON, UH, ON THE BEGINNING PART OF IT, YOU CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS WITH, YOU COULD BUY FIRE, PUT AND TURN OUT GEAR AND ALL THIS STUFF.
BUT WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN THOSE ROADS WITH, IT REALLY LOCKS THINGS UP.
AND THEN ALSO, IS IT, UM, CAN YOU DO IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS? THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT.
INCOME AREAS FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF MONEY.
BUT I THINK ALSO FROM CHRIS, WE NEED TO SEE, I THINK YOU DID HAVE A REPORT ON HOW MUCH TOTAL THIS WOULD COST.
THAT'S REALLY THE NEXT STEP IN THIS.
IS ANY OF THESE PROJECTS THAT EACH OF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I NEED ESTIMATED COSTS IN ORDER TO START GIVING YOU THE, THE INFORMATION ON THE PAYMENT AMOUNT.
DO YOU KNOW IF, IS IT, IS IT JUST THE BEACH? THAT'S THE OBVIOUS ONE.
AND OF COURSE THE RESTROOMS AT TOWN HALL ARE OBVIOUS TOO.
WE HAVE O WE HAVE SIX OTHER BUILDING FACILITIES.
DOES CHRIS HAVE A STUDY AS TO I FIRST
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BOARD? OKAY.UH, IN OTHER WORDS, TALKING ABOUT A, A COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS YES.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FUNDING.
SO THAT WOULD BE, AND I AGREE THOUGH, THAT'S A PRIORITY.
HOWEVER WE CHOOSE TO DETERMINE BEST.
UM, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE ARE ENTERING HAVING TO, UM, DEAL WITH.
SO I DID, WE SPOKE, MARK AND I SPOKE WITH TAMMY AGAIN REGARDING THE TIMELINE DRAINAGE STUDY WE HAD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING TEAM OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEN WE HAD A SMALL SUBGROUP THAT AT THE END OF LAST YEAR HAD GOTTEN TOGETHER, UM, WITH MIKE QUIN.
WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE MET WITH CAMMY AGAIN WHEN WEEK, AND ASKED HER TO PUT TOGETHER A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WOULD BE COVERED BY THE TOWN WIDE DRAINAGE STUDY, BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES EVERYONE AN IDEA OF HOW IN RELATIONSHIP TO SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE, UM,
AND SO SHE GOES OVER THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.
I THINK AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS.
IT, IT DOES BECOME PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE, UH, MASTER PLAN.
UM, THEY WOULD, UH, THROUGH THIS STUDY, WE WOULD END UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN.
UH, WE HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED A FUNDING SOURCE FOR A 50 50 GRANT.
OF COURSE, THE CFAS HAVE BEEN DELAYED, BUT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT I THINK THE COST, WE HAVE TO BE WILLING, UM, TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS.
UH, SO MUCH ELSE IS PREDICATED ON US GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE CONTAINED THERE.
AND THEN IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO ULTIMATELY HAVE 50% OF IT REIMBURSED BY A GRANT, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I THINK WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO COVER THE COST OF THIS.
THE STUDY DOES ENCOMPASS, UH, A $75,000 ENGINEERING PLANNING GRANT WITH A 50% MATCH BY US AT 75,000.
NOW, WE ALSO, CAMMY IS ABOUT READY, OR GHD IS ABOUT READY TO RELEASE THE DRAINAGE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO MOUNT VERNON.
UH, AND THE OVERALL COST OF THAT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF MOUNT VERNON IS OVER, OVER, UH, 1000 HOMES ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT STREETS IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE DOLLARS.
NEVERMIND THE ENGINEERING, UH, COST.
JIM, CAN I JUST INTERJECT THERE? UM, SO THAT'S ONE OTHER ITEM THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS PROJECTS, IS THAT THEY ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT TAXABLE BASES.
IN THE INITIAL DOCUMENT THAT I HAD GIVEN YOU, I MENTIONED THAT, UM, LIKE IF WE BORROWED $2 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S A TAX INCREASE OF 0.67%.
IF WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CUTS ELSEWHERE IN THE HIGHWAY FUND, IT'S 0.71%.
ALL OF THESE THINGS DEPEND ON WHICH FUND THEY ARE.
I KNOW THE LISTING OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, JIM, THAT YOU HAD DISTRIBUTED, RIGHT.
WALTER IS TAKING A LOOK INTO IF THEY FALL WITHIN ONE OF OUR SPECIFIC DISTRICTS, OR IF THEY FALL UNDER LIKE TOWN WIDE SEWER MM-HMM
SO IF IT DOES FALL UNDER TOWN WIDE SEWER, UM, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, AN A FUND TAX BASE VERSUS IF IT'S IN A SPECIAL AREA, OR LIKE HOW WE SAID, UH, ONE OF THEM IS LIKE A THOUSAND HOMES LIKE MOUNT VERNON.
BOTH RESIDENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT COST.
THEY ARE IN A SPECIAL DISTRICT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO AND SO, LIKE FOR THE SEWERS, WE HAVE WOODLAWN, MOUNT VERNON, THEN WE ALSO HAVE LIKE A MASTER SEWER, HIGHLAND ACRES AND AN ANGLE DRIVE.
UM, SO, AND, AND JUST FOR KIND OF BASE, UH, A BASE FOR EACH OF YOU TO LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT'S JUST LIKE THE WOODLAWN SEWER DISTRICT, I SHOW THAT WE HAVE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS ABOUT 393.
SO IF YOU HAVE A COST THERE, THERE'S ONLY 393 UNITS YOU'RE SPREADING IT ACROSS.
VERSUS IF YOU LOOK AT MOUNT VERNON, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1092.
BUT THAT'S STILL SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE TOWN AND OUR BASE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROJECTS, YOU HAVE TO ALSO THINK OF THE FUND BECAUSE LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED PAVING, THAT'S GONNA HIT OUR DB FUND.
SO OUR PART TOWN RESIDENTS, WHICH IS ALSO WHERE WE HAVE THE DEFICIT THAT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING HIT BY SALES TAX MM-HMM
THAT IS THE SAME, THOSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE AS THAT'S HITTING.
WHEREAS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOWN PARK PROJECT, LIKE THE BATHROOMS THAT IS IN OUR
I GOT AN ANSWER FROM CHRIS ON THAT.
HE SAID HE HAS 150,000 OF CD BG MONEY SET ASIDE.
HE DOESN'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS YET BECAUSE OF, UM, UM, COVID.
HE SAID HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES YET.
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GREAT.IF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, HERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO, AS IT RELATES TO THE MOUNT VERNON SEWAGE STUDY, WHICH IS ALMOST READY FOR OUR REVIEW, UH, BE READY TO GO THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, THAT OBVIOUSLY TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IS A FOUR OR FIVE YEAR PROJECT.
YOU CAN'T SPEND $12 MILLION, UH, TO REDO THE ENTIRE STORM SEWAGE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THERE.
UH, WITH REGARD TO THE TOWN WIDE, UH, DRAINAGE STUDY, THE 75,000 AND THE 75,000 BATCH, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHEN THAT WILL BE DONE? RIGHT.
THE, THE ESTIMATE THAT TAMMY GAVE THAT WAS ONE OF OUTLINED IS SHE THOUGHT ABOUT 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
HOWEVER, WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED SOME, UM, PROBLEM AREAS.
THIS STUDY WHILE IT'S LOOKED AT AS A WHOLE RIGHT.
COULD HAVE ALMOST PHASES TO IT AND THOSE PROBLEMATIC AREAS MM-HMM
COULD BE, UM, DONE FIRST, SO YOU COULD GET THE RESULTS SOONER ON THOSE PIECES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE STUDY IS 12 TO 18 MONTHS AWAY.
SO THAT PUTS US INTO THE 2021 OF THE SUMMER OR THE BEGINNING OF 2022.
THAT WOULD BE FOR COMPLETING ALL OF IT.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DETERMINE FUNDING AND GET, UH, OUT TO BID.
SO WE'RE MAYBE TWO, THREE YEARS AWAY FROM SEEING ANY SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
WELL, SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS PROBABLY CAN'T WAIT.
HOWEVER, SOME OF THOSE PRE GONNA BE WHAT IS LOOKED AT FIRST.
AND IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT THOSE PROBLEMATIC AREAS, THE QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT REALLY IS THE REMEDY BETWEEN ITSELF? SO WHILE IT MAY BE FRUSTRATING TO THINK THAT SOME OF IT IS DELAYED, WE DON'T WANNA BE THROWING A LOT OF MONEY, GOOD MONEY AFTER THAT.
AND I KNOW
AND, UM, AND THEN HOW TO GO ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT HAS TO BE PHASED IN OR WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PRIORITIES.
AND SO ALSO WITH THE, THE PHASING AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY NOT BE THIS, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED ALL OF THIS MONEY COME THE FALL WHEN WE POTENTIALLY DO THIS FOR THE
I THINK THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE A DEBT COMMITTEE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW BAN WHERE EVERY YEAR CAPITAL MARKETS ASKS ME WHEN, LIKE, OUR DEBT IS JUST COMING DUE IN A COUPLE DAYS.
THEY ASK IF WE HAVE ANY PROJECTS WE WANNA ADD TO THAT.
UM, BECAUSE EVERY YEAR WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, WHEN THIS COMES UP, IS THAT REALLY, THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE'RE EVALUATING AND HAVING MEETINGS ON ALL YEAR SO THAT IT ISN'T KIND OF THIS LAST MINUTE RUSH TO COME UP AND MAKE THIS WORK.
SO WE CAN PICK PROJECTS OR PORTIONS OF PROJECTS THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE MOST LIKELY DOING AN ISSUANCE TO GET THIS LED PROJECT OFF THE GROUND.
THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, YOUR FINAL ANSWERS ON IT.
NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE TO RENEW THIS, UM, OR TURN IT INTO A BOND, IF WE WERE READY OR WANTED TO, BECAUSE OF WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE, WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AT THAT POINT AS WELL.
SO MY VISION, AND I THINK THE DEBT COMMITTEES IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY YEAR WE START EVALUATING AND KIND OF HAVE A PROSPECTIVE LOOK INSTEAD OF PUTTING BAND-AIDS ON THINGS, MAYBE THIS IS THE WAY WE ACHIEVE SOME LONG-TERM GOALS FOR THE TOWN INSTEAD OF SOME OF THE SHORTSIGHTED VISION WE'VE HAD.
AND WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE SOME OF THESE PAYMENTS CAN BE OFFSET BY DECREASES IN ALL OF THESE VARIOUS REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLY LINES.
BECAUSE WE, WE FEASIBLY DON'T HAVE TO PUT AS MANY BANDAIDS ON THINGS IF WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT PROJECTS AS A WHOLE.
UM, SO I HOPE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT EVERY YEAR AND DETERMINE OUR NEEDS, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE LATELY.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME INTERJECT IF I MAY, UH, SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DONE NOW AND WON'T COST US A LOT OF MONEY.
THE THURSTON OLYMPIC DRIVE PEOPLE, UH, THEY, THEY WOULD BE JUSTIFIED IN SHOOTING US IF THEY'D HAVE TO WAIT TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS TO GET HELP.
UH, SO CAMMIE HAD TOURED THE, THE OLYMPIC DRIVE ENDS THE DEAD END, AND THEN THERE'S A PAPER STREET THAT TAKES YOU DOWN THE LIMB.
WHICH ONE, WHICH RUNS PERPENDICULAR TO, UH, OLYMPIC AND PERPENDICULAR.
WELL, IT STOPS BEFORE IT GETS TO THIRSTY.
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AND WALKED IT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.THERE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PAPER ROAD AFTER OLYMPIC END INTO A FIELD, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 200 TO 300 YARDS LONG.
THAT DITCH HASN'T BEEN CLEANED OUT SINCE OH THREE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY WATER THROUGH IT.
CAMMI SUGGESTS THAT WE CLEAR THE AREA AND DO A SECOND DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LIMB.
NOW SHE THEN SAYS THESE TWO DITCHES WOULD BE BURNED SO THAT YOU REALLY ARE DAMNING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REMOVING EXCESS WATER FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, SCHOOL.
AND YOU'RE DAMNING ALSO THE THURSTON PEOPLE LOVE THE IDEA.
CAMMIE SAYS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PANACEA.
IT ISN'T GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A LOT BETTER.
WE CAN MAYBE GET THAT DONE BEFORE THE LEAVES CHANGE THIS YEAR.
THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, UH, GETTING THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PERSONNEL IN THERE.
IT'S A TIME CONSUMING THING, REALLY MORE THAN AN ENGINEER THING.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT TRYING TO DO THIS YEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BONDING ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ONE THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD WORK.
KAMI GAVE A REAL DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE SMITH ROAD PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT SMITH ROAD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, SUGGESTED PROJECT THAT IF WE DO WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE SUGGESTING IS SHE THINKS IT MIGHT BE OKAY, YOU'RE CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS, NOT WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING COSTS ON TOP, BUT THE CREEK THAT, UH, UH, INTERSECTS THAT STREET MIDWAY, THE MIDWAY POINT BETWEEN LAKEVIEW, UH, AND, AND AMDA, UH, CAMIE SAYS IS CLOGGED, PARTICULARLY UNDER THE BRIDGE.
AND IT, A LOT OF VILLAGE STORM WATER DRAINS INTO THAT CREEK.
IF WE COULD DO SOME CLEANING THERE, IT MIGHT HELP THEM THIS FALL.
SO THAT AGAIN, IS, DOESN'T REQUIRE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY.
IF, IF I MAY, ON THESE TWO
I KNOW YOU HAD, UH, THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT OUT THERE.
CAN HIS PEOPLE DO THE WORK OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE HIRE A COMPANY TO DO IT? NO, I THINK HIS PEOPLE CAN DO THE WORK.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME THROW THAT AT YA.
UM, IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY HAVE THE KNOWHOW.
SO THE QUESTION IS DO THEY HAVE THE TIME? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IS IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IT AT THE TOP OF THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT'S PRIORITY LIST? THERE'S, THEY THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THOSE PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE JUSTIFIABLY UPSET WITH US FOR, UH, I THINK THAT'S NOT BUYING THEM CANOES WITH THE THURSTON NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR.
I MEAN, THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE THAT'S IMPACTED THEM SO MUCH.
EVEN JUST TAKING A MEASURE OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A HUGE INVESTMENT WITH DIGGING A DITCH AND, YOU KNOW, USING THE BERMS WOULD DECREASE THE FLOW.
THAT'S ULTIMATELY MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHEN THEY HAD TALKED TO US, IS IMPACTING THE SEWAGE BACKGROUNDS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPACTING THEM AS HOMEOWNERS.
SO EVEN JUST TAKING A METRO LIKE THAT COULD KIND OF YEAH.
THE, THE POINT TO ME, UH, CROSSES TON ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
HOMEOWNER SHOWED ME HIS GROUND SUSTAIN PRIVACY FENCE WHERE THE WATER LINES WERE.
IT'S ALMOST A FOOT AND A HALF UP.
THAT'S ABOUT 150 YARDS FROM, FROM THE DITCH.
UH, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AT CAN WE GET A PRICE ON SOMEONE TO DO IT? WE CAN ALWAYS GET A PRICE.
I MEAN, WHY NOT? WE'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT IN MANPOWER.
IT'S NOT, I I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH DARREN.
I THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD ON IT SOON, I THINK IT'S, IS NEGLIGENT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S A MATTER OF JUST STARTING ONE, DIGGING THE DITCH AND, AND PROVIDING THAT TO EASE THE FLOW, WE HAVE TO START
SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING, I'M DON'T REMEMBER.
I'M ASSUMING ALL THEIR, THEY LEAD GUYS ARE GONNA BE DOING THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE GUYS TAKING VACATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET THIS DONE.
I MEAN, WE NEED SOMETHING TO WEIGH THE RISK REWARD WITH THAT.
WELL, YEAH, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTA HAVE, UH, UH, WE CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO TED.
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ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE COULD DO IT.HIS DEPARTMENT COULD DO IT BEFORE MID-SEPTEMBER.
MAYBE WE OUGHT TO DETAIL IT, UH, SHARE IT AMONG THE HIM AND US, THE FOUR OF US AND HIM, AND GET A, GET A DEFINITIVE COMMENT, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T, I HATE TO GO OUT.
CAMMY THINKS IT WOULD BE THREE, FOUR TIMES AS EXPENSIVE TO GET THE RIGHT COMPANY.
YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
WELL, WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE A A, A DEDICATED YES OR NO, YOU GET THIS DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, YOU KNOW, BUT LOOK AT HOW LONG IT TOOK TO DO THE, THE DITCH ACROSS FROM, UH, SIX MONTHS.
YOU NEED AN ACT OF CONGRESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I KNOW OUR GUYS CAN DO THE WORK AND EVERYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT, ALLOWED TO DO IT OR THAT OTHER, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE MUCH MORE PRESSING THAN THIS ISSUE.
WE HAVE SEWAGE AFFECTING HOMEOWNERS.
NOT FOR A MONTH, NOT FOR A YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS REALLY HIGH LEVEL, UH, GROUP OF EMPLOYEES AND STAFF AND OPERATIONS AT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S THE PRIMARY FUNCTION HELPING OUR RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE DESPERATE NEED OF AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.
AND I, I, I, I FEEL THAT TO NOT FULLY EXPLORE UTILIZING OUR STAFF, OUR MANPOWER WHEN IT'S ON 30 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR WOULD BE COMPLETELY NEGLIGENT ON OUR PART.
THAT ONE KNOCKED THEIR BOSS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S, WELL, KIM INDICATED, I MEAN, AND I'M PICTURING, AND SHE INDICATED WHAT A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING WITH, WITH DIGGING THE DITCH, WHAT SORT OF TIME THAT WOULD TAKE.
SHE THOUGHT THAT IT COULD BE DONE IN FOUR, THREE TO FOUR DAYS.
THREE TO FOUR DAYS IF YOU HAD 12, 13 PEOPLE.
OF COURSE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT, THAT TELLS YOU THE TIME.
UH, THE, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN DOWN THERE, MR. PETRAN, INDICATED TO ME THAT TED DIDN'T THINK HE, IT WOULD TAKE WITH, WITH THE TIME HE COULD VOTE TO IT, TAKE 15 DAYS.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT CLEARING OUT SOME, SOME BLOCKAGE, SOME HEAVY WOODS.
YOU GOTTA CLEAR OUT THE, THE, THE SIDE, UH, SEWER IS COMPLETELY CLOGGED.
UH, THAT'S 17 YEARS AWAY FROM THE LAST CLEANING.
AND THEN WE WANNA DIG ONE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO IT.
I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE, I'M SURE WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY TO DO A CONTRACT OUT TO DO IT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING AN OUTSIDE COMPANY THAT NEEDS TO MOBILIZE FOR SUCH A SMALL PROJECT, A LOT OF THAT COST IS GONNA BE IN MOBILIZATION.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CUT OUT TO OUR P TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE BEST? I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR THE COST.
I THINK SEAN'S CORRECT THOUGH.
WHAT, WHAT THE HELL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS? YEAH.
I MEAN, RESIDENT, EVEN THAT THE PERMANENT LONG TERM SOLUTION, THIS WILL AT LEAST, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL EASE IT NOW.
IT PROBABLY WILL LESSEN EVEN ULTIMATELY WITH A SOLUTION.
IT MAY BE CAMMY THOUGHT IT WAS A TEMPORARY FIX, UH, AND THESE FOLKS JUST DESPERATELY NEED SOME KIND OF FIX, CONTINUING DAMAGE.
13 EMPLOYEES FOR HOW LONG? NO, NO.
UH, THE GENTLEMAN, ONE OF THE FELLAS DOWN THERE THAT, THAT MET WITH ME HAS NOT TOOK THE WALK, SAID TED HAD MENTIONED TO HIM 15, UH, DAYS, UH, WITH, UH, UH, HE WOULD'VE TO DEVOTE TO IT, WHICH WAS TOO MUCH TIME.
SHE THOUGHT IF YOU PUT, YOU COULD BE DONE, IF YOU HAD THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THREE, FOUR DAYS, WHAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT? I'M NOT SURE, BUT COULD SHE MAYBE COMMENT ON THAT AT OUR MEETING? YEAH.
WELL, CERTAINLY WE, WE CAN ASK HER TOMORROW.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I, SHE'S GOOD AT DESIGN WORK IN TERMS OF PRODUCTIVITY FOR THE ACTUAL CONTRACTOR AND HOW MANY PEOPLE, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT, UH, SHE'S AN EXPERT IN THAT.
BUT IT, TO ME, IT'S GONNA REALLY BOIL DOWN TO BEST OPTION IS HAVE OUR PEOPLE DO IT, UH, A DROP THAT DATE, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT DONE.
IF WE CAN'T GET THAT, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE THE OPTION OF PUTTING IT OUT, UH, TO HAVE SOMEONE DO THE WORK AND THEN GET A PRICE ON IT.
NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCAL COMPANIES AROUND THAT ARE CLOSE BY THAT WOULD DO IT.
AND IF YOU PUT IT OUT THAT THEY COULD GET PRETTY COMPETITIVE THERE, BUT, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A PROCESS AS WELL.
BUT ALSO, IT SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL ENOUGH JOB THAT A LOT OF THESE CONTRACTING COMPANIES ARE SO INUNDATED WITH WORK RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PRIORITY.
I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME MUNICIPAL WATER.
THEY CAN, IN TWO DAYS, THEY COULD DO A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIFE IN, SO THEY MAY NOT WANT TO, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT.
I, I'M NOT SURE UNTIL WE GET TO THAT PROCESS.
BUT WITH IT BEING A PRETTY SMALL PROJECT, WE NEED AN ANYTHING BEFORE FALL.
WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE FALL.
IT'S GONNA, THE WORK'S GOTTA BE DONE BEFORE MID-SEPTEMBER, AS BEFORE THE
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WEATHER GETS REALLY ROTTEN.NOW THERE'S ANOTHER THING, ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, AND OF COURSE WHETHER WE'VE GOT TIME TO DO, TO EXAMINE SMITH ROAD CREEK AND ON SOME OF THAT, THAT WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT ON THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUES.
THESE POOR PEOPLE HAVE BACKYARD FLOODS THAT, UH, AGAIN, YOU, YOU THAT ARE KNEE DEEP.
UH, BUT THAT'S NOT AS CRITICAL.
DON'T AS THE THIRSTY IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
CAMMY DID A DETAILED STUDY ON THIS.
NOW THAT DOESN'T AFFECT AS MANY HOMEOWNERS, BUT BOY, BOY, THERE, THERE'S A STORM DRAIN THAT COMES DOWN DALE ROAD, SOMEHOW, I THINK JUTS OVER HACKING ONTO ROBERTS ROAD, DOWN ROBERTS ROAD, OR UNDERNEATH ROUTE FIVE AND DRAINING OUT OF THE LAKE, UH, BETWEEN TWO HOMES ON TWIN WILLOWS THAT ARE ON THE WATER.
WELL, THERE'VE BEEN SOME BREAKS.
AND THE, AND THE, OVER THE YEARS, THE, THE WIDTH OF, OF THE STORM DRAIN IN ONE AREA, AREA IS SMALL, ANOTHER AREA LARGE.
AND IT'S ALL CLOGGED AND BROKEN.
SO SHE HAD ESTIMATED THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT AN 80 TO $90,000 EXPENDITURE.
BUT IF YOU GET DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THESE FOUR PEOPLE, THEIR SIDE YARDS ARE DESTROYED AND THEIR BACKYARDS ARE, ARE FALLING INTO THE LAKE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS PLENTIFUL.
THEY'RE NOT AS IN NUMEROUS AS THE THURSTON AVENUE FOLKS, BUT BOY, THEY'RE SUFFERING.
NOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER IN ADDITION TO A DA COMPLIANCE, I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE, UH, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THIS FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS OF COMPLAINING WITHOUT GETTING ANY ACTION.
AND AS FAR AS THE MONEY WE HAD TALKED BEFORE ABOUT FROM, UM, SEAN OR RYAN HAVE COMING UP WITH SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC WAY FOR HIM, TWO THOUGHTS WOULD BE EITHER, UH, THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT HERE IN TOWN HALL, BECAUSE WE'VE LOOKED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO FUND THAT.
SO THIS MIGHT BE A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY JUST TO DO THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, BUT ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING OUT, UM, THE CELLS, REALLY MAKING THAT A CLEAN SLATE WHERE WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT EITHER PRODUCING SOME REVENUE BY RENTING IT OUT, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'LL HELP US WITH SOME OF THE DISTANCING THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.
YOU, I DON'T WANNA STEAL YOUR THUNDER.
YOU HAD MENTIONED ME THAT, UH, UH, ONE THING WE MIGHT CONSIDER DOING IS MOVING.
SO WE'LL MOVE CHRIS INTO THE JAIL, HIS DEPARTMENT, AND CONSIDER CONSIDER MARKETING THE, THE BUILDING OUT FRONT AS AN OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I, I THINK, AND BETH AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, AS WELL, I THINK IT'S UTILIZATION OF TOWN PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAP OF THE TOWN, UH, AND THE UTILIZATION OF ALL THOSE FACILITIES, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET MORE, UH, ADVANCED IN TECHNOLOGY AND MORE REMOTE, UM, AND THERE'S MORE VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
I THINK THIS KIND OF SOLIDIFIED MY, UM, MY THOUGHT IN TERMS OF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE AND HAVING THE SPACE RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE NOT UTILIZING, THAT HAS ASBESTOS.
CLEARLY THAT HAS TO GET SOLVED MM-HMM
AND IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT SOLVED, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE MORE COMMON SENSE TO, UH, RETROFIT THAT.
AND IF WE LOOK AT OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN WHERE WE HAVE UNUSABLE SPACE, OR WHAT I THINK IS PROBABLY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT FULLY UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UTILIZE UTILIZATION RATE, I GOTTA IMAGINE IT'S NOT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL THE OFFICE SPACE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE WE HAVE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING TO MAKE SOME CUTS AND MAKE SOME EFFICIENCIES, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S NOT UTILIZED, IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD PLACE TO START.
SO, AND I THINK IF THAT FUNDING CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, THAT JUMPSTARTS, LEMME ASK YOU THAT, SEAN.
UH, LEMME ASK YOU, YOU'VE GOT FOLKS IN AGREEMENT IF I SEND, UH, MARK AN EMAIL TO SENT, WE ALL TALK MARK AND, UH, WE RE MARK THE 75,000 FOR ASBESTOS ABATEMENT WITHIN THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND DESIGN WORK FOR THE RECONFIGURATION RECONFIGURATION OF SPACE.
JENNY, WOULD YOU GUESS THERE'S 1800 TO 2000 SQUARE FEET BACK THERE? I'M GUESSING THAT FROM MY YEARS OF BEING IN JAIL,
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BE MORE THAN THAT, YOU THINK? YEAH.I'LL, I'LL GET AN ESTIMATE AND AND I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO HIM TOMORROW.
AND I'LL ALSO WANNA CALL RYAN AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, HE'S ON BOARD WITH MAKING THAT HAPPEN FOR US.
AND I THINK EVEN THAT HAD TO DO WITH PART OF THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THINKING ABOUT, UM, A DA COMPLIANCE AND EVEN ACCESSIBILITY TO THE BUILDING THAT WAS PART OF EVEN, UH, REIMAGINING THAT BACK ENTRANCE.
SO I WENT AND I HAD PULLED, UM, THE QUOTES.
THEY HAD STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER QUOTES FOR THAT WORK.
SO I HAD THEM PULL THAT FOLDER.
SO I DO HAVE THAT WAS THAT QUOTES FOR WHAT? FOR THE A, A COMPLIANCE AS AS OH, BEST.
WELL, LISTEN, LET ME ASK YOU JUST IN BOTTOM LINE, HOW DOES 75,000 FIT WITH THAT OVERALL EXPENDITURE ESTIMATION? THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN DO THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO REALLY RECONFIGURE AND DO SOME DESIGN WORK, RIGHT? AS WHERE IS IT? IT'S THE OLD POLICE ON THE OTHER.
HOW MUCH OF THE SPACE HAS, IS IT THE FLOOR, THE FLOOR, FLOOR TILES, CEILING TILE CONCERN, RIGHT? EXPENSIVE.
THAT WOULD BE MOST EXPENSIVE CLASS.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE EARLIER, THERE'S ALSO ON THE COURT ENTRANCE SIDE OF THE BUILDING YEAH.
TO THE RIGHT OF THE STAIRCASE.
SO YOU ORIGINALLY, WHEN I STARTED GAVE
BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT OFF THE, YEAH.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TO DO THAT, YOU, YOU STILL WOULD WANNA EITHER ON THAT SAME ENTRANCE OR ON THE FRONT DOOR, BUT THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE ALL OF THAT BACK SPACE WHERE YOU HAD DISPATCH EMPLOYEE FOR OFFICES.
WELL, WE, THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED, WE NEED, UH, ASBESTOS REMOVAL AND RECONFIGURATION OF EXISTING SPACE TO MAXIMIZE USAGE FOR, UH, GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS.
I'LL GIVE HIM SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN CALL RYAN TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S ON BOARD, LET MAKI RUN THROUGH WITH HIS, WITH HIS AID.
I THINK THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE EVERYBODY? SEAN, YOU OKAY WITH THAT, KAREN? SOUNDS GREAT.
AND SO WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE WE'RE GONNA NEED COST ESTIMATE FOR BECAUSE WE NEED TO SPEND THAT $75,000 FOR ANY OF THE PROJECTS TONIGHT THAT WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THINKING ABOUT FOUR BONDING, THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS WOULD BE STARTING TO GET MORE AND MORE CONCRETE ESTIMATES FROM EACH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEPARTMENT THAT IT WOULD RELATE TO.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FEED INTO WHAT I GIVE YOU ON MONDAY.
OBVIOUSLY A WEEK ISN'T A LOT OF TIME TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, VERY CONCRETE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA BE A PROCESS WHERE I GET NEW ESTIMATES.
I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS THE INFORMATION BASED ON THE USEFUL LIVES.
THEN YOU CAN START TAKING THOSE PIECES, SEE WHAT FITS, FITS TOGETHER, THE PROJECTS THAT YOU WANNA STILL PURSUE AT THAT POINT, I ASSUME MAYBE A COUPLE WILL BE OFF THE TABLE FOR NOW.
THEN THOSE ONES THAT ARE REMAINING, THOSE PEOPLE KEEP WORKING TO GET BETTER COST ESTIMATES SO THAT WE KEEP HONING IT ON THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S AS SIMPLE AS JUST THROWING OUT, YOU KNOW, 1.5 MILLION.
THE BATHROOM ENGINEERS HAVE RIGHT DESIGN, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE.
IT'S KIND OF WHAT COMES FIRST.
THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TOO MANY PEOPLE PROCEEDING TOO FAR ON PROJECTS THAT AREN'T FEASIBLE AT THIS MOMENT.
SO WE REALLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK GAUGE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET MOVING QUICKLY.
AND I THINK THE ONE 50 THAT CHRIS TALKED ABOUT FOR THE HERE, THAT'S WHAT HE'S INTENDED TO USE IT.
SO THEY, I DON'T KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION GUY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BATHROOM THESE MUCH IS.
LARGE, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU GOTTA ENLARGE THE DOORS, YOU'RE KNOCKING DOWN CEMENT STRUCTURE THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING ALL THE MATERIALS.
ALL, ALL WELL NOW SAID WAS, HE WAS TARGETING A RAMP POSSIBLE PORTABLE TRAILER THAT HAS A BATHROOM AND A SHOWER FOR HANDICAP ALL FOR THE TOWN, FOR THE BEACH.
BUT THE BATHROOMS THAT ARE IN THE BEACH NOW, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAVE FOR, OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN, THAT'S OUR, WHEN WE DO THOSE, UM, RENOVATIONS FOR THE ADA, UM, A AN EXTRA BONUS CAN BE THAT YOU'RE ALSO IMPROVING
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THE FACILITIES.WE ALSO, WELL, WE ALL AGREE THAT THE
BUT THEN GOING FORWARD, CAN WE TAKE THAT PORTION? IF CHRIS SAID IT'S ABOUT 500,000 TO FINISH THE RISK, CAN WE SAY THAT A CERTAIN PART EVERY YEAR OF THE CD PG, LIKE HE'S USING THIS YEAR ONE 50.
IF YOU USE X AMOUNT EVERY YEAR, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SAY A PERCENTAGE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY WHICH YOU'RE GONNA GET IN TERMS OF REAL DOLLARS PERCENTAGE.
AND THE TROUBLE I HAVE IS THAT MIKE MENTIONED THIS IS TOO, UH, YOU HAVE TO TARGET SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES IN ECONOMICALLY DISTRESSED AREAS.
SO AS FAR AS OUR ACTUAL DEBT PROJECTS, IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH OTHER IDEAS FOR HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
I GUESS IT LEAVES YOU WITH THE QUESTION, THOUGH, WHICH PROJECTS WE'RE FOCUSING ON TO LOOK AT FOR THE BORROWING.
BECAUSE IF THE A DA COMPLIANCE GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE BEACH BATHROOMS, AND WE'RE POTENTIALLY THINKING ABOUT
UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BIG UNDERTAKING.
AND TO ME, GO TO, UH, PAV PAVING, I'M SORRY, PAVING'S ON THERE.
IT, THE IT MONEY, WE KIND OF TENTATIVELY AGREE THAT WE TO ALL THAT FUNDING WHAT, 90, 95,000 IS THE REMAINDER OF WHAT WE 'CAUSE THE PHASE TWO REMAINDER, RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS SAYING HOW WE WERE GONNA PROCEED WITH THAT.
WELL, I THOUGHT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT IN AS PART OF THE BONDING, ONE OF THE WORDS THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE FOR BONDING.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE CASH ON HAND TO PAY FOR IT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE IT BUDGETED.
WE HAVE THE CASH ON HAND WHERE WE CAN UPFRONT YOU THE MONEY.
IS THAT THE, THAT'S THE PORTION THAT YOU WERE GOING TO FINANCE AT THE HIGHER INTEREST RATE, CORRECT? YES.
SO NOW THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT.
THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP HERE WAS BECAUSE THE PRODUCT ARE BEING, SOME OF THEM ARE BEING MANUFACTURED IN CHINA AND BECAUSE OF THE COVID YEAH.
THERE IS A DELAY IN ORDER AND SHIPMENT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA HOLD OFF TOO LONG WITH ORDERING THEM.
LIKE IF WE GET THROUGH THE EMAIL AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING.
WE HAD, WELL, NO, WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WOULD FUND IT FROM OUR FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR AND APPLY, UH, THE, THE BORROWED MONEY, THE BONDED INDEBTEDNESS TO REIMBURSE THE TOWN.
SO WE, WE'VE TENTATIVELY, UNLESS I'M WRONG, WE'VE TENTATIVELY I THINK AGREED TO DO IT.
AND, AND WE DID TENTATIVELY AT THE LAST MEETING.
HOWEVER, SINCE THEN, SINCE THESE DEVELOPMENTS, I THINK JENNY WAS WORKING ON ALL OF THIS STUFF THE DAY AFTERWARDS MM-HMM
AND WE FOUND OUT THAT DUE TO THOSE DELAYS, WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS STUFF ORDERED NOW.
UM, I MEAN EITHER WAY I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN DETERMINED AND RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN PASSED THAT WE WILL DO THIS.
IT'S, YOU CAN'T DECIDE, YOU CAN'T DECIDE TO DO THE FINANCING AFTER ORDER.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE USING THEIR 3.5% INTEREST RATE WHEN THEY ORDER THE THINGS.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE GIVEN.
AS LONG AS EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT, THE RESOLUTION IS ALREADY PASSED.
WE'LL PROCEED AND NOT DO THE LEASE RIGHT.
EVERYONE, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE PAY FOR IT AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF.
AND THEN THE, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD IS THAT IN ORDER TO BE FUNDING THESE PROJECTS HERSELF, JENNY HAD ENCUMBERED MONEY IN THE PAST TWO YEARS AND HAD STARTED PLACING ORDERS FOR THINGS, OR WE HAD, WE HAD ENCUMBERED THE FUNDS BECAUSE WE KNEW THEY WERE PROJECTS.
AS WE START GETTING CLOSER TO THE ISSUANCE DATE, UM, WHEREVER OUR TARGET ENDS UP BEING WITH OUR BUDGET MONITORING, IT MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE BETTER INSTEAD OF USING JENNY'S ENCUMBERED MONEY TO PUT IT INTO THE BOND ISSUANCE AND KEEP THAT SPARE MONEY THAT SHE'S HAD.
AND JUST MAKE, HAVE THAT BE IN OUR TOWN'S FUND BALANCE TO KIND OF HELP OFFSET IN THE SHORT TERM.
WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GOING FORWARD GET AWARDED SOME OF THESE GRANTS.
I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A MATCH WHEN MM-HMM
THAT, AND ALSO WITH THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, OUR FUND BALANCES, WE'RE ANTICIPATING
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TAKING A HIT THIS YEAR, KEEPING THAT MONEY IN THE TOWN AND PUTTING THIS IN A LONG TERM PROJECT WITH ACCOUNTING, YOU REALLY WANT YOUR REVENUES AND EXPENSES TO MATCH THE PERIOD IN WHICH THEY'RE BENEFITING YOU.SO TO ABSORB THESE COSTS IN ONE OR TWO OR THREE BUDGET YEARS, WHEN THIS IS FOR THE LONG TERM TERM WELLBEING AND FUTURE OF IT FOR THE TOWN, REALLY IS A MORE, YOU KNOW, UM, SMOOTH WAY TO DO IT INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS INFLATED COST IN A FEW YEARS, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW.
SO AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS FOR THAT, THAT WILL COME DOWN THE ROAD ONCE WE HAVE BETTER PROJECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT CAN DEFINITELY GO ON THERE.
UM, AND I HAVE DEFINITE COSTS ON THAT.
UM, WHAT OTHER ITEMS? I KNOW, SEAN, YOU HAD QUITE A FEW.
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IN THE DEBT COMMITTEE, BASICALLY THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, I GUESS YOU COULD TAKE, UH, THAT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.
AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY YOU'VE GOT 13 DIFFERENT YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS THAT OPERATE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
UM, AND EACH OF THOSE I MET IN JANUARY INITIALLY, UH, WITH THE GROUPS AND ASKED FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON THEIR OPERATIONS AND WHAT THE TOWN COULD DO TO HELP.
AND IT'S FACILITIES, IT'S UPGRADES, IT'S MAINTENANCE, UH, IT'S A LOT OF FAIRLY BASIC THINGS THAT THEY'RE IN NEED OF AND HAVE BEEN IN NEED OF FOR QUITE SOME, SOME TIME THAT, UH, IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF GETTING THE BOND, AND A LOT OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE FAIRLY REASONABLE ASKS AND THEY'RE UTILIZED BY, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF, OF OUR RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMMING, THE ACTIVITIES, UH, I REALLY THINK THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A, A SERIOUS LOOK AT THAT.
AND I KNOW IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CUT AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AND SOME OF THESE REQUESTS ARE MORE ON THE WANT SIDE THAN THE NEED SIDE.
SO I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE LEAD SIDE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, LIKE SAM SAID, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A BANDAID APPROACH YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT PENNYWISE POUND FOOLISH, THE WAY IT'S BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST.
AND WITH, UH, JUST A PERFECT STORM OF, OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF LOW INTEREST RATES, UH, AN EXCELLENT BOND RATING.
UM, AND, UH, THE ABILITY AND THE NEED THAT WE HAVE THAT'S SO GREAT.
UH, I THINK WOULD BE, AGAIN, THAT WOULD NOT TO AT LEAST FLESH IT OUT AND TO, TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR AT LEAST THE ESSENTIAL AREAS THAT REALLY, UH, HAVE A NEED.
UH, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT JANUARY MEETING, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I REACHED, I, I, WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING AND ASKED FOR ALL THEIR INPUT.
SO WE HAVE A RUNNING SPREADSHEET, UH, OF EACH OF THE 13 ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
UH, SHORT TERM, MIDTERM TERM IS WHAT I REQUESTED FOR EACH.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDED EXTENSIVE DETAIL, UM, AS TO WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
UH, OTHERS ARE STILL GETTING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR NUMBERS AND SOME OF THEIR, UH, REQUESTS IN.
I THINK THE ANSWER IS DEFINITELY, UM, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY HELP MOST OF THEM AND AT LEAST THE ESSENTIALS.
YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO THINK, UH, THIS IS AS GOOD AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE PROBABLY HAVE TO TRY.
UM, BUT UNDER THAT UMBRELLA OF RECREATION, I THINK THE CENTERPIECE THAT COMES BACK AND IT'S, IT'S A HUB FOR A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS IS THE NIKE CENTER.
UH, IT JUST CONTINUOUSLY COMES UP IN THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE MONARCH SOCCER, UH, THE LACROSSE, THE BASEBALL, THE SOFTBALL, THE HOCKEY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THERE.
YOU'VE GOT LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF, OF PEOPLE GOING THERE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, SOMETIMES IN, IN, IN ONE WEEKEND, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS WHEN THEY HAVE TOURNAMENTS.
AND THAT REALLY DOES COME TO THE TOP OF THE LINE.
I SPOKE WITH RICK NOAC, UH, WHO REALLY IS KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE, ON THE SITE.
UH, HE'S GOT EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE.
HE'S DONE JUST A PHENOMENAL JOB AS WELL AS PAT RYAN.
UM, AND MARTY DEMIC FROM THE, THE REC, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE FACILITY LOOKING GOOD, UH, FUNCTIONING AS GOOD AS THEY CAN.
THE INCREASE IN NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT SITE HAS EXPONENTIALLY GONE UP, UH, SINCE IT WAS, UH, BUILT IN 1972.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 48 YEAR FACILITY THAT HAS REALLY HAD NO MAJOR SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, OVER THAT TIME, OTHER THAN BANDAID
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TYPE APPROACH, UH, TO FIXING SOME OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE.SO, UH, THAT'S A VERY LONG-WINDED WAY TO PREPARE YOU FOR SOME OF THE MAJOR, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT HAVE COME BACK IN THE STICKER SHOCK, UH, OF THE NUMBER.
UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS DREAM, DREAM BIG? LOOK BIG.
IF WE'RE TAKING THE TIME AND EFFORT TO LOOK AT THIS, LET'S START WITH EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE WE'RE GONNA OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO WORK OUR WAY DOWN TO WHAT'S REASONABLE, WHAT'S OF MANAGEABLE.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF BASICALLY 1.3 MILLION IF YOU TOOK AND DID EVERYTHING THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE UPTODATE STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY, AGAIN, USING AN EXISTING PLACE.
SEAN, ASK ADDITIONAL, YOU, YOU WERE MENTIONING NIKE FACILITY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ARENA ITSELF OR THE GROUNDS AND THE ARENA, THE GROUNDS AND THE ARENA.
IN FACT, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ICE.
IT REALLY DOESN'T PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RANK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MOSTLY OUTSIDE ON THE COMPLEX, THE ARENA, UH, THE ACTUAL SITE ITSELF, NOT THE HOCKEY.
THERE'S CERTAINLY CER QUITE A FEW ITEMS, UH, IN THE HOCKEY ARENA.
THE ARENA ITSELF NEEDS TO BE THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT ADDITIONAL.
IT'S NOT ADDITIONAL ICE, IT'S NOT A FANCY ICE.
YOU KNOW, ONE EXAMPLE IS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FEMALES THAT PLAY HOCKEY NOW.
GIRL LOCKER ROOMS. THERE'S NO GIRL IN LOCKER ROOMS. YES.
I MEAN, COULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S A, A, A WISH? I THINK IT'S ME, YOU KNOW? I WOULD AGREE.
UM, AND SO I'LL USE, YOU KNOW, THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS YOU'VE GOT LITERALLY, LIKE I SAID, WHEN THERE'S TOURNAMENTS THERE, UM, HUNDREDS IF NOT, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE THERE THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND.
THERE'S NO OUTDOOR BATHROOM FACILITY, WHICH TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE IN ALL OF WESTERN NEW YORK.
IF YOU GO TO AN OUTDOOR, UH, SPORTS ATHLETIC SPORTS COMPLEX THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO TO THE BATHROOM, UM, THEY CAN'T WASH THEIR HANDS, THEY CAN'T GO TO BATHROOMS. THERE'S PORTA JOHNS, WHICH AGAIN, UH, SERVE THEIR PURPOSE WELL, BASED ON THE, UM, THE USAGE OF THE FACILITIES.
UM, AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS A BIG FACILITY, UH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
IF YOU GO TO A FRONTIER FOR A GAME, GO TO ST.
FRANCIS FOR A GAME, YOU GO TO HAMBURG FOR A GAME.
IF YOU GO TO ORCHARD PARKS YOUTH PROGRAMS, IF YOU GO TO WEST ENE, ALL OF 'EM TO A T HAVE REALLY NICE, HUGE, BIG SIGNIFICANT, UH, REST AREAS WHERE YOU CAN WASH YOUR HANDS.
AND FOR A LOT OF SENIORS, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANDPARENTS THAT GO TO GAMES.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, HANDICAPPED NEED HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, THEY ARE LITERALLY GOING THROUGH ROCKS AND GRASS TO GET TO ONE POTTY.
YEAH, THERE WERE SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS MADE IN 97, BUT, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE FACILITY NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING LOT IN THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S A MESS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE LIST, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT, THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN.
SO WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT BE A LAWSUIT, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO MORE PAVING IN FIVE YEARS AS OPPOSED TO FIXING THE PAVING NOW, IT MIGHT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS NOW.
UM, I THINK IT DOES CREATE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY RIGHT OR WRONG, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A 48, UH, YEAR OLD BUILDING WELL PAST ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY.
WHEN I SAY BUILDING, I MEAN THE ENTIRE COMPLEX.
UM, WHICH IS MOSTLY OUTDOOR GROUND SPACE NOW.
AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, 23 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN 1997, AND WE'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE THE BEST WE, WE CAN, UH, OVER TIME TO REALLY GET IT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
THE, THE REALITY IS, IS WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, AND I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE FRUGAL, WE HAVE TO BE SMART, WE HAVE TO BE SELECTIVE AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WE CAN'T GET ACCOMPLISHED.
NOW, LIKE SAM SAID ON THE DEBT COMMITTEE, WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE A RUNNING LIST.
AND WHAT WE DON'T GET TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN PLOT OUT THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, BUT IT'S A HIGH PRIORITY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCING ACT TO GO THROUGH ORGANIZATION IZATION AND, UH, AND, AND ITEM BY ITEM IN TERMS OF THAT NIKE ARENA, UH, BOX.
BUT I DO FEEL THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT IS TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, I MAY I SAY TO YOU A COUPLE THINGS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IN ADDITION TO THAT PARKING LOT, UH, AND
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THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS REALLY DRIVING THROUGH A WAR ZONE TO GET TO THE NIKE CENTER ITSELF, THE BUILDING ITSELF NOTICE TOO, THE HAMMER TOWN BEACH, THAT DRIVEWAY'S IN ROUGH SHAPE.UH, I MEAN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED MEANINGFULLY IN MANY, MANY YEARS.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S EMBARRASSING.
AND THAT'S A LOT'S, A LONG DRIVEWAY, SEMI-CIRCLE UP AND DOWN.
THAT'S, WELL, IF I MADE IT KIND OF TAB ALONG WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP, UH, RIGHT NOW I'M IN, I'M IN THE WHEELHOUSE FOR TRAVEL SOFTBALL, THE BMX AND, AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE AT THE PARKS.
WHEN I GO TO OTHER AREAS, ESPECIALLY OTHER STATES, YOU LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, MAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY SAD.
AND ANY OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS WE DO, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE US GENERATE ANY LESS REVENUE THAN WE'RE GENERATING NO'S.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO.
IT'S NOT JUST THE EXPENSE, AN INVESTMENT IN THE SENSE, THE STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, SEAN'S TALKING ABOUT AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT IN IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S SAYING IS YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT A FACILITY LIKE TAYLOR ROAD AND WHAT A SUCCESS THAT'S BEEN AND GENERATING REVENUE.
AND IF YOU REALLY MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE AT THE NIKE FACILITY, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO GENERATE REVENUE OUT OF THAT, TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, ON THE SOFTBALL SIDE OF IT, IN OHIO, THE TOURNAMENT THAT WE WENT TO DOWN THERE THREE DAYS, RIGHT? THEY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY FIELDS THEY HAD THERE.
THEY HAD THEIR, THEIR WHATEVER WORKERS AT THE DOOR.
EVERYBODY HAD TO PAY EVERY DAY TO COME IN THOUSANDS OF PO.
I MEAN, IT WAS, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT, BUT IF YOU SEEN THE FACILITIES THERE MM-HMM
IT WASN'T BRAND NEW, BUT IT WAS NICE, IT WAS FUNCTIONAL, IT WAS ATTRACTIVE LOOKING.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHAT YOU NEED.
AND, AND THEN YOU COME HERE AND LOOK AT THIS AND THEN LIKE, LIKE THE V MX TRACK, I WAS JUST DOWN, WELL, THE KIDS WERE JUST DOWN IN AKRON.
LIKE THIS, YOU WOULD, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME TO THIS AREA.
NOW WE MIGHT NOT SEE IT DIRECTLY, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE HOTELS THAT THEY RENT, GOING OUT TO EAT, STUFF LIKE THAT, THERE'S A LOT THERE.
AND MIKE, I MEAN, EVEN IN OUR BUDGET MONITORING, YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR REVENUES IN ANY AREA, IN ANY OF OUR FUNDS.
FOR ITEMS THAT ARE QUANTITY DRIVEN.
AND I CANNOT THINK OF ONE OFF HAND THAT HAS INCREASED IN RECENT YEARS.
WE'VE NOTICED EVERYTHING HAS DWINDLED.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A REFLECTION OF THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN IN NO QUESTION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AGAIN, BACK TO THE NIKE BASE, JUST THE VISION FOR THE NIKE BASE, I, I KNOW THAT THE WEST END OF THE VILLAGE THERE HAS GOT GREAT PLANS TO DEVELOP AN EXPAND THERE.
HAMBURG MOVES, THAT ORGANIZATION IS LOOKING AND PUTTING WALKING PATH THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE SOCCER FIELD, A BASEBALL FIELD TOO.
AND WITH GRANTS LOOKING AT HAVING, YOU KNOW, MORE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
UM, AND I THINK THIS JUST GOES HAND IN HAND WITH IT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WOULD HAVE A LONGER PPE TERM MM-HMM
BECAUSE OF HOW LONG THE BENEFITS WOULD BE FOR.
SO THAT KIND OF HELPS EASE THE INITIAL STICKER SHOCK MM-HMM
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GO ITEM BY ITEM AT A FUTURE TIME YEAH.
BUT THIS AT LEAST IS ABLE TO GET ME AN ESTIMATE FOR ALL OF YOU AT WHAT THAT COST LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN THIS, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE RIGHT NOW WE'RE BUDGETING FOR, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE ALMOST $50,000 A YEAR IN REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES AND REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS AS WELL WHERE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, IF IT COSTS US $50,000 A YEAR FOR THIS PORTION OF THE DEBT, WE CAN ALSO GET CREATIVE IN HOW WE OFFSET THAT TO BE MAKING ALL THESE BANDAIDS WHERE WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO THE COST THAT WE COME UP WITH ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.
AND ALSO, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OUR GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS EVERY YEAR, $170,000 IS THE BUDGET AMOUNT TO, UM, HAVE OPERATIONS BREAK EVEN THERE.
SO THIS COULD POTENTIALLY HELP OFFSET THAT AS WELL WITH FUTURE REVENUES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT OVER THE PAST YEARS ABOUT, AGAIN, THE POTENTIAL AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, AND WE'RE A GATEWAY FOR A LOT OF SOUTHERN COMMUNITIES AND JUST REINFORCES WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID ABOUT POTENTIAL THERE FOR PROVIDING SERVICES, AN
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OPPORTUNITY.AND I KNOW I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, MARTY, AND I KNOW WE HAVE ONE WITH, UH, PAT RYAN TOO, WHERE WE ARE BRAINSTORMING A LOT OF IDEAS.
I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'LL TAKE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT EVEN LOOK AT TOO.
AND I THINK THERE ARE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE TOO, THROUGH NAMING RIGHTS THROUGH, UM, THIS COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A GOOD INITIATIVE THAT'S GOING TO SERVE, ESPECIALLY THE YOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY OR SENIORS, UH, WHETHER IT'S THE PLAYGROUND, PEOPLE SEEM TO JUST COME OUT AND I THINK THEY'RE ALMOST, THERE'S SOME FOUNDATIONAL MONEY TO WHETHER'S THE WILSON FOUNDATION, OR THERE'S WILSON AND SO ON.
WE THINK WE'RE VERY WELL POSITIONED THAT IF WE HAVE A, A PROJECT, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TACKLE THIS WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FUNDING, UM, SOURCES.
AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT WEST SENECA AND ORCHARD PARK, THOSE ARE TWO NEIGHBORING COMPARABLE COMMUNITIES THAT COME TO MIND FOR ME, THAT HAVE RECENTLY UNDERTAKEN VERY LARGE RECREATION RELATED OR, YOU KNOW, THEIR LIBRARY RELATED PROJECTS.
THE TAXES FROM ONE OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES TO THE NEXT, INCLUDING US, ARE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.
AND THEY HAVE THESE FACILITIES AND, AND THE WAY THAT THEY FUNDED THEM IS THROUGH DEBT ISSUANCES OVER A LONGER TERM.
SO IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THEIR TAXES AREN'T VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SOMEONE IS PAYING HERE.
AND THEY HAVE THESE FACILITIES TO SHOW FOR IT.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, WE'VE LAG BEHIND THERE WITH THAT FACILITY.
I CAN TAKE IT TO MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO GET CLOSE TO A WRAP UP, BUT LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION.
UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL AREAS, UH, WHERE EARLY ENVIRONMENT DEBT AND DENTIST MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT CERTAIN PRIORITIES.
NIKE CENTER OVER A THREE, FOUR YEAR TERM, BEGINNING WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT IMMEDIATELY.
UH, SO THE QUESTION THEN IS WHAT'S YOUR COMFORT LEVEL? UH, DO WE WANT TO BORROW AN ADDITIONAL MILLION WHICH WILL KEEP THE TAX RATE, UH, WHICH WILL NOT RAISE THE TAX RATE? DO WE WANNA GO UP AN ADDITIONAL MILLION TO 2 MILLION? UH, ARE WE FEELING, UH, LIKE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS? WE GO THREE, FOUR MINUTES
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO WE WANT, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR TOLERANCE LEVEL? AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOTTA THINK OF.
AND SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
ARE THERE ANY, SO FROM THE INFORMATION I'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL OF YOU TONIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IS OFF THE TABLE.
SO WE'RE LEAVING THE SCOPE OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT IS UNTIL WE HAVE MORE NUMBERS.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS AT THIS TIME THAT ANYONE WANTS ME TO GET AN ESTIMATE FOR? FOR US, BECAUSE I'M PLANNING TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS FOR MONDAY, THEN WE CAN REALLY, AT THAT MEETING, SAY, THIS IS OUR TOLERANCE MAXIMUM.
IF THINGS GO WELL IN THESE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT'S, IT'S A DA RIGHT? IT'S DRAINAGE TO SOME EXTENT.
NOT, NOT COMPREHENSIVE DRAINAGE, BUT SOME DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. RIGHT.
AND THE STUDY, UH, WELL, THE STUDY GETS, THE STUDY GETS, UH, UH, UH, UH, THE TOWN WIDE STUDY GETS 75 AND 75.
SO YEAH, THE STUDY, UH, THEN MIKE HAS MENTIONED PAVING QUESTIONS.
WOULD THAT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PAVING OF THE LOTS THAT ARE IN DISREPAIR.
AND I TALKED TO THE PAVING, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE ROADWAYS HERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OVERLAPS IN TERMS OF THE, WHEN THOSE LOTS ARE PAVED THAT SO, UM, A PAVING OF OUT ROADS, UM, OUTSIDE IN THE TOWN THAT WOULD BE IN OUR DB IN OUR HIGHWAY FUND.
ANY OF THE PARKING LOTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR DRIVEWAYS ARE PART OF A FUND OPERATIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR, OUR NIKE BASE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND FOR THE A FUND.
UM, SO ANY ACTUAL LOTS ARE A FUND, ANY ROADS ARE DB FUND.
DO YOU FOLKS THINK THAT THE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND PARKING AREA, UH, ARE THE SUMMIT CIRCLE OF THE BEACH? THAT IS BAD.
I DUNNO, I WAS THERE TODAY AND IF YOU GO INTO THE, UM, EVEN THE AREA WHERE THE WATER RESCUE IS, THAT AREA, IT'S, IT'S IN FACT, I WAS GONNA TRY TO SEE, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, IN KIND SERVICES AND YEAH.
AND SOME MATERIALS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I'M THINK, OH GEEZ, MAYBE IF THEY HAVE EXTRA, WE COULD BRING IT DOWN HERE, BECAUSE IT'S, TO ME, THE NIKE US, THE, IT'S WORSE.
AND IT DOESN'T HURT US TO GET SOME COST ESTIMATES.
I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS NEXT WEEK.
UH, DOES I THINK, UH, RICK NOAH HAS A
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PAVING COST ESTIMATE.UH, WE MAY WANNA GO FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, WHAT COMES TO MIND.
THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, THE PAVING THERE, UH, THE GOLF COURSE PAVING THERE.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH.
IS IT? OR ANY GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS WE WANNA DISCUSS ADDING IN HERE? YEAH, SO I HAVE TWO OTHER ON MY LIST THAT I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED YET.
THAT'S THE ONLY RECREATIONAL, UH, ACTIVITY THAT'S BRINGING A PROFIT TO THE TOWN.
UH, BUT ANY GOOD BUSINESS, IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING MONEY BACK INTO IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN ITS VALUE.
UH, AND I, SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, UH, SOME OF THOSE.
AND AGAIN, UH, YOU USE A LAWNMOWER AS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU CAN PAY, YOU CAN PAY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LAWNMOWERS WE HAVE, AND THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TRIPLE THE WORK AT, UH, A COST SAVINGS OVER TIME BECAUSE OF THE MANPOWER, BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE OF THE REPAIRS.
UM, SO AGAIN, KIND OF BEING FORWARD THINKING AND ASKING, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE, AND I'VE ALREADY BROUGHT THIS UP TO JIM BRAND THERE, UH, TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS OF WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, UH, IF WE BOUGHT IT, WOULD END UP EITHER PAYING FOR ITSELF OR REDUCING THE ONGOING EXPENSES THAT YOU HAVE NOW.
SO THIS LAWNMOWER, INSTEAD OF IT TAKING, UH, 10 HOURS TO CUT THE GRASS, IT'S GONNA TAKE TWO HOURS.
SO IT COSTS MORE, BUT OVER 10 YEARS, YOU'RE SAVING MONEY.
YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF APPROACH.
UH, I THINK THIS CREATES A BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I KNOW MIKE, YOU'VE WORKED ON THIS IN THE PAST AND IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IF NOT, IF NOT A, A DECADE PLUS.
UH, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO STILL HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATELY UPDATING THEM.
UM, BUT ALONG WITH THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST SPEND AND SPEND, WE HAVE TO BE SMART WITH OUR MONEY IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DO FEEL, JUST LIKE I TALKED ABOUT THE UTILIZATION OF TOWN PROPERTIES, THAT'S A CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKELY MORE, UH, PLAYGROUNDS, YOU KNOW, PER PERSON THAN MOST MUNICIPALITIES.
AND I FEEL THAT THERE'S A, UH, A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT MANY OF THEM ARE BEING UNDERUTILIZED OR NOT UTILIZED.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'D PROBABLY BE SMARTER TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VERY ATTRACTIVE, HIGH FUNCTIONING, UM, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, UH, UPDATED, UH, FACILITIES.
THEN A LOT OF RUNDOWN, BEAT UP, UH, ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
SO TO ME, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUNDS DON'T HAVE TO BE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE SUPERSTARS.
I ALWAYS ENVISIONED ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUNDS AS BEING JUST GOOD BASIC PLAYGROUNDS.
WHAT I MEAN BY GOOD BASIC IS THEY ALL HAVE A SHELTER.
THEY ALL MAINTAIN, THEY HAVE A GOOD PLAYGROUND.
OKAY? THEY ALL HAVE TO GET IN.
IT'S GOTTA BE EASY FOR, YOU KNOW, PARENTS CARRYING THEIR KID ON A STROLLER TO COME IN.
A LOT OF EM PLAYGROUNDS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT VERY WELL.
MAKE THEM GOOD BASIC PLAYGROUND TO KEEP THEM MAINTAINED.
AND YOU GOTTA SHRINK THE SIZE ON SO THESE GUYS AREN'T CUTTING THE GRASS ALL DAY LONG FOR NO REASON.
AND THEY ARE STARTING TO DO THAT.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT ONCE WE GET PAST THE CRAZINESS WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND EVERYTHING KIND OF GETS BACK TO NORMAL, I'M CONFIDENT THAT OUR BG GUYS ARE GONNA START BEING ABLE TO HAMMER THAT DOWN.
BUT I KEEP BRINGING UP CONCERNS ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO SPEND MONEY TO DO THEIR JOB.
THEY HAVE MONEY TO DO CERTAIN WORK TO GET.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ROUTE.
TO ME, YOUR NIKE BASE, THE BIGGER AREAS, THAT'S THE ONES THAT YOU MAKE MORE SPECTACULAR FOR EVERYONE TO COME TO.
BUT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS THAT PLAYGROUND.
IF YOU WENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAID, WELL, YOU DON'T NEED THIS PLAYGROUND IF YOU GUYS NEED IT.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE YES, SOME ARE GONNA BE NO, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT KIDS ARE GONE, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE WHEN THEY MOVE ON.
AND YOU HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY COMING IN PLAYGROUND.
I THINK THERE'S, IN TERMS OF A PLAYGROUND THOUGH, AND THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS WE CERTAINLY NEED TO INVEST IN OUR OUTDOOR SPACES.
THIS RETURNING BACK TO THE SAME NORMAL IS LIKELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
PEOPLE ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMFORTABLE SPENDING TIME OUTSIDE AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING RECREATION TO SPEND THEIR TIME.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF PLAYGROUNDS, AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN ON THAT TIME, BUT MY CONCERN IS TAKING A BLANKET APPROACH OF HAVING THE SAME THING AT EACH LOCATION.
THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE BEST TO HAVE THEM AS A PLAYGROUND ANYMORE, MAYBE RETURN THEM TO SPACE.
I THINK HAVING A BLANKET APPROACH OF MAKING SURE EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD DO A STUDY TO ASSESS NEEDS AS FAR AS, AND THIS IS A VILLAGE PLAYGROUND FOR EXAMPLE, BUT, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED OVER IN
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GLEN? GLEN MEADOW? CHAPEL BLEND.SO THEY DID PUT A NEW PLAYGROUND IN AND THEY PUT A SHELTER IN.
I NOTICED THEY PUT SOME PICKLEBALL COURT COURTS IN, AND I THINK THAT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LARGER SENIOR POPULATION THERE.
SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S SITUATIONAL BASED ON THE LOCATION AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND I KNOW THAT THAT SHIPS, BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO MOVE TO HAMBURG STAY IN HAMBURG.
SO YOU'RE SEEING THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND THEN FLIPPING, IT'S BECOMING A YOUNG NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY PLAYGROUNDS DO WE HAVE? 38.
38 PLAYGROUNDS WHERE I'D BE CONCERNED WITH TAKING A BLANKET APPROACH OF HAVING I GUESS THE SAME COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH TO EACH ONE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE USED.
I THINK THE, UM, IT'S INTERESTING THE STUDY THAT, THAT MIKE DID WHEN HE WAS STARTING HIS WORK.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT IS THAT, UM, IT TOOK A LOOK AT EACH PLAYGROUND AND WHAT I LIKED IS THAT EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THERE WAS A LOT, QUITE A FEW OF THEM THAT INCORPORATED, UM, UH, GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, RETHINKING ABOUT UTILIZATION SPACE YES.
AND SO, I DUNNO, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? I HAVE NOT.
BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WAS AN OVERVIEW OF EVERY SINGLE PLAYGROUND AND IT DID CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, BASED PARTLY ON, UH, SHIFTS BASED PARTLY ON COMMUNITY NEEDS, NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS.
AND YOU HAD DONE THAT IN
WELL, I, I WENT THROUGH AND THEN PAT AND MARTY, WE SAT DOWN, RIGHT? LIKE, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU, UM, O PLAYGROUND.
SO YOU HAVE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS THERE.
YOU HAVE A TENNIS COURT, BASKETBALL COURT WAY ON THE NORTH END OF PAIR THAT OUT, PUT DOWN THE, UH, BACKSTOP FOR THOSE TWO PLAYGROUNDS, PICK THE PLAY DROP AND HAVE COURTS JUST HAVE ALL THE GOOD BASIC STUFF THERE FOR THE KIDS.
BUT MY PLAN WAS IS TO HAVE THAT BE
SAGAMORE PLAYGROUND, THEY ALREADY TOOK THE BACKSTOPS DOWN THERE.
YOU SHRINK THAT DOWN AGAIN, YOU TREES, PLANT TREES IN THERE, DO, UH, SNOW SCHEME, WHATEVER YOU CAN MAKE TRAILS KNOW.
UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS AS TECH GETS MONEY AND TIME, THEY'RE GONNA START GOING BY THAT AND START DOING THIS.
THEY HAVE DONE, THEY DID FOUR OR FIVE IN 2019 AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO FOUR OR FIVE ISSUE.
THE PLAN IS TO DO FOUR OR FIVE A YEAR OR FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS IS THAT, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT A GRANT FROM OUR FRIEND RYAN OR
HE WASN'T WILLING TO COME UP WITH THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION OF, UH, UH, THE RECREATIONAL TRUST FUND FOR COMING UP WITH THE REST OF MINE.
AND MARTY WAS WALKING AT THAT.
BUT THIS KIND OF A PROJECT MAY BE IDEALLY SUITED TO BONDING, UH, ALONG WITH THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAM THAT, UH, THAT, UH, SEAN HAS LAID OUT OVER A THREE TO FOUR YEAR PERIOD, YOU COULD MAYBE ELIMINATE FIVE OR SIX PLAYGROUNDS OR TURN 'EM INTO GREEN SPACE AND THEN ACCELERATE, INSTEAD OF DOING FOUR OR FIVE A YEAR FROM OPERATIONAL FUNDS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO, YOU COULD DO SEVEN, EIGHT OVER A THREE OR FOUR YEAR PERIOD TO FINANCE IT.
BUT YOU GOTTA BRING IN THE RECREATIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
GOTTA BRING IN MARTY AND RYAN, YOURSELF, MIKE.
YOU COULD DO SOME OF THAT STUFF.
MY CONCERN ON THE WHOLE THING IS THAT DOWNHILL SO FAR, WE GET THEM ALL JUST AT A BASIC LEVEL AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE AND START SAYING, OKAY, WELL MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS, YOU KNOW, TAKING A SPECIAL APPROACH, JUST DISGRACEFUL.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAKING THEM TAJ MAHALS AT THIS POINT.
THEY HAVE A WAY TO GET INTO THE JUST SIMPLE AND GET IT TO THAT BASIC POINT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN START, YOU KNOW, THINKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, I HAVE IDEAS FOR A LOT OF 'EM.
WE COULD DO SOME REALLY COOL STUFF.
THESE ARE SNOW OR, UH, SLED, WHATEVER.
BUT THAT TO ME IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR SOMEONE TO SIT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST GET EVERYTHING GOOD, BASIC AND, AND TAKEN CARE OF.
I THINK THE FIVE THAT WERE ON AVERAGE WITH THE FIVE, WE GOT A GRANT.
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GOT A GRANT FOR, UH, FOR A GOOD PORTION OF IT, RECREATIONAL GRANT FROM A COMPANY THAT SOLD US JUNGLE GYMS AND SO FORTH.GOT A RECREATIONAL GRANT PLUS OUR OWN MONEY.
I THINK IT WAS 50,000 A APART.
SO IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG TIME EXPENDITURE.
SO FOR ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE ESTIMATES ON, UM, I NEED AS MUCH INFORMATION.
BETH, LIKE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT NOT DOING THE ASBESTOS AS PART OF THE BOND, BUT YOU HAVE A QUOTE FOR THAT, FOR THE INSURANCE OR FOR THE, THE GRANT FROM.
UM, SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO ME, SEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE KEY FIGURES, UM, THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM RICK AND FROM B AND G AND RECREATION.
UM, ANYTHING ANYONE HAS, I KNOW LIKE DRAINAGE, WE HAVE THE REPORT FROM CAMMY THAT WE CAN USE.
YOU KNOW THAT FOR THAT, UM, AS MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS CAN GET TO MEET IMMEDIATELY, THAT WAY I CAN HAVE THESE ESTIMATES FOR MONDAY, UM, AS, I GUESS AS REALISTIC AS WE CAN BE UNDER THIS KIND OF TIME CONSTRAINT.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS MONDAY YOU'LL START SEEING WHAT THOSE COSTS LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN SEE WHAT OUR TOLERANCE IS, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THAT, I'M GUESSING WE MIGHT WHITTLE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS OFF THE TABLE, OR IF WE CONTINUE WITH 'EM, THEN WHOEVER'S WORKING ON EACH OF THESE COST ESTIMATES WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AND THEN KEEP HONING IT ON THE NUMBERS BETTER.
UM, A DA WILL HAVE TO TALK TO CHRIS.
TALK TO HIM TOMORROW TO GET THAT.
BUT THEN ALSO WE HOPE THAT THERE'S OTHER AVENUES FOR THAT.
IT'S JUST GETTING ALL OF THAT DATA TO ME TO MAKE ALL OF THIS STUFF HAPPEN FOR MONDAY.
GOOD LUCK AND WELL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, KIM? I JUST WANTED ASK AS FAR AS THE IT THING, UM, COUPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT KIND OF APPROACHED ME WITH SOFTWARE UPDATES THAT WERE NEEDED.
UM, AND ONE OF THEM WAS RECREATION FOR OUR SENIOR CENTER.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEIR SOFTWARE WHERE THEY DISPATCH THEIR VANS FOR RESIDENT SERVICES IS GOING TO BE, UM, BASICALLY PHASING OUT AND WE'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET NEW SOFTWARE.
UM, AND PART OF THE SOFTWARE THAT MARTY AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT ORIGINALLY ACTUALLY HAD A, UM, DEAL FENCING, WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A PARAMETER SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY TRACK WHERE THE VANS WERE GOING AND IT WOULD NOTIFY DEPARTMENT HEADS AT RECREATION IF A VAN DRIVER DROVE OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETER OF WHERE THEY WERE DOING PICK UP AND DROP OFFS.
WHICH WOULD END UP REDUCING THE COST AND GAS UHHUH.
UM, AND THAT'S A SERVICE THAT BRINGS THE TOWN ABOUT $60,000 A YEAR IN SERVICES.
UM, BUT IF WE HAVE BETTER, UM, DISPATCH SERVICES FOR THESE, UM, THE OLDER RESIDENTS THAT NEED TO GET TO THAT APPOINTMENT FOR GROCERY SHOPPING, IT MAY BRING IN MORE REVENUE IF WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT.
WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THE COST OF FOR THAT SPECIFIC SOFTWARE VEHICLE? I DON'T, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT KIND OF, AND IF YOU OR MARTY GET THAT NUMBER, I MEAN, I'M GUESSING IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT COMPARED TO THESE OTHER BIG PROJECTS, WE'RE TALKING 30,000.
I MEAN, BUT WITH STUFF LIKE THAT, AGAIN, PUTTING IT INTO AN ISSUANCE IF WE HAVE IT, VERSUS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD $30,000 FOR EACH OF YOU THAT'S BEEN THROUGH A BUDGET SEASON ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HIT FOR US.
BUT IF WE CAN SPREAD COSTS LIKE THAT, I MEAN, THERE ARE PROJECTS AT THAT LEVEL THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT.
I KNOW LIKE THE DEBT COMMITTEE WE'VE TALKED, UM, OR SO FAR, YOU KNOW, BACK, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, YOU KNOW, AT SOME, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT READY FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THE ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A NEXT YEAR'S ISSUANCE SO THAT YOUR, YOUR LARGE COSTS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE NOT ABSORBING THEM IN A SINGLE YEAR.
UM, AND ALSO THE LAST POINT THAT ALL HOPEFULLY MAKE FOR THE EVENING, UM, IS THAT IN OUR BUDGET DOCUMENTS, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS IN JULY, THERE IS A SCHEDULE OF LONG-TERM CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WHERE THEY PUT THEIR REQUESTS, THEIR PROJECTED YEARS OF NEED, UM, PROJECTED COSTS.
SO WE DO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS FROM PRIOR YEARS AND WE WILL BE GETTING NEW DOCUMENTS, UM, COMING UP VERY SHORTLY.
NORMALLY THE DOCUMENTS ARE DUE IN AUGUST.
THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US TO SEE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.
I, I THINK THE DEBT COMMITTEE TRIED TO DO OUR BEST TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE THINK THE BIG PRESSING ISSUES ARE AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT THERE'S NO REASON MOVING FORWARD WE CAN'T USE THOSE BUDGET SHEETS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE PROJECTS ARE.
SO WE COULD START HAVING A LONGER TERM OUTLINE SO THAT ITEMS LIKE A VAN SOFTWARE, THAT IMMEDIATELY DOESN'T COME TO ANY OF OUR MINDS ON THE DECK COMMITTEE.
WE CAN STILL GET THE ATTENTION IT POSSIBLY WARRANTS.
MAY SUGGEST ALSO THAT AS YOU DEVELOP A BOOK TO INCLUDE
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ON.SO ANY OF THESE, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR HIM TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF BECAUSE HE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A GRANT THAT I KNOW IS COMING UP, UH, OR THIS IS ALREADY BEING INCLUDED IN SOMETHING I'M WORKING ON.
AND SO I THINK, SO HELPING US PRIORITIZE.
SO MY GOAL THEN FOR MONDAY, I KNOW LIKE SEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION BACK.
YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IS TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN SORT OF A SUMMARY OF THE AMOUNT, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, WHAT THAT GETS US.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT FINAL PRODUCT THAT CAN BE SENT TO MARK, THAT WAY HE CAN TELL US IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THERE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ALTERNATIVELY FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I, I JUST, I I GOTTA GIVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, FOUR PEOPLE HOME WITH US
I THINK THE ONE THING WE GOTTA CONSIDER, UH, IS A RESOLUTION WHICH BINDS THE TOWN TO NOT SECURE GRANTS WHICH ARE COVERED BY A MATCH FROM THE TOWN MATCHING MATCH FOOTBALL FUNDING.
UNLESS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES IT.
I DON'T THINK DEPARTMENT HEADS, THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO INSTANCES THAT OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.
I DON'T THINK DEPARTMENT HEADS SHOULD GO OUT AND MAKE ARRANGEMENTS AND SECURE GRANTS, UH, THAT REQUIRE A COVERING OF SENATE, THAT MONEY TO BE PAID BY THE TOWN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD'S GOTTA DO NORMALLY, DON'T WE? ANYTIME A GRANT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, DOESN'T THAT NORMALLY GO THROUGH BOARD RESOLUTION KNOWLEDGE? NOT ALWAYS.
SO MAYBE IT'S JUST A GRANT POLICY THAT I DON'T MIND SO MUCH AND, AND, AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED FROM THE, FROM THE GRANT SOURCE.
THAT'S CREATIVE STUFF, GOOD FOR HIM.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BE SAYING, UH, IT'S A 50 50 MATCH OR IT'S 25 75, WE JUST CAN'T DELEGATE THAT AND NOT KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT.
I THINK I'LL WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, BUT UM, MONDAY NIGHT, THE A THOUSAND DOLLARS PURCHASING RESTAURANT.
ALRIGHT, WE CAN RAISE IT UP TOO.
THIS IS, UH, TED CAN, UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? WE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA AS WELL.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A TWO TIER.
WELL IT'S, IT IS A QUESTION TOO OF, UH, OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THAT TIER WORKS IN LIGHT OF THE, THE PROBLEM WE'RE IN.
WE CAN PUT A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA.
WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION WITH JUST THE AMOUNTS BLANK, BLANK AND FILL IT IN, FILL IN THE BLANK.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM WHAT MEASURES YOU CAN BE TAKING.
SO THAT COULD ALWAYS AFFECT THE THRESHOLD, WHICH WE SEE.
ARE THERE ANY DEPARTMENTS SPEAK? THIS IS, UH, TED, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? I CAN'T TELL IF YOU CAN.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS RELATIVE TO, UH, THE NEEDS AS IT RELATES, UH, PAVING.
AND WE'VE GOT, UH, 81 LANE MILES RATED AS IN POOR CONDITION, UH, WITH A COST ESTIMATE OF JUST NORTH OF $5.3 MILLION.
IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND SEEN IS THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY GOOD, UH, BOND RATE AT THIS POINT AS WELL AS THE COST OF ASPHALT IS LOW.
IT WOULD SEEM PRUDENT THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, SOME BONDING IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
AND ONE THOUGHT I HAD WAS RELATIVE TO WHAT'S ALLOCATED VIA TAXES, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR, 674,459.
UH, CAN PART OF THAT MONEY BE USED TO PAY FOR A PAVING BOND? IT SEEMED LIKE IT'D BE IDEALLY SUITED TO DO THAT AND IT'LL GO A LONG WAY TO ADDRESS, UH, THESE POORLY RATED ROADS.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING PROPOSITION.
I MEAN, I THINK IT ACTUALLY SEEMS BETTER USE OF THAT TAX MONEY THAT COMES IN THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR HIGHWAY.
AND AS SAM ALLUDED TO THE EXPECTED USEFUL LIFE OF A, UH, UH, OF THE ITEMS FOR A BOND.
YOU KNOW, 15 IS 15 YEARS IS GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S OFTEN USED AS A, UH, AS A TARGET.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONJECTURE ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES
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INVOLVED, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS WHETHER, UH, IN ADDITION TO, UM, HOW, HOW THE ROAD IS USED AND, UH, WHAT'S THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLES AS WELL AS DRAINAGE FOR THAT MATTER.ROADS FOR ISSUANCES IS CLOSER TO FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, BUT I WILL CONFIRM THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WHAT'S THAT AGAIN? I BELIEVE THE USEFUL LIFE FOR, UH, ROADS AND A BOND ISSUANCE FIVE TO YEARS.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPREAD THE COST OUT AS FAR AS YOU ARE HOPING, BUT I'LL GET YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR MONDAY.
AND WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHO DETERMINES THAT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS? I'VE NOT HEARD THAT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY THE USEFUL LIFE.
IT'S CALLED A PPU AND BOND BOND COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU, THEY, THEY HAVE A SET, THEY HAVE SET NUMBERS, SO THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS EQUATE TO THE USEFUL LIFE.
WELL WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE, UH, PARAMETERS ARE, UH, I THINK WE COULD WORK WITHIN THEM.
UM, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE SLEW OF ROADS RATED AS FAIR THAT THE STATISTICS SHOW ARE GONNA GO BAD WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
UM, WE HAVE GREATER THAN 40 MILES OF ROAD RATED AS FAIR FROM THE ASSESSMENTS WE DID TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, SO, UH, DOING THAT SIMPLE MATH, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROADS IN PRESENTLY POOR CONDITION, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE AND UNINTENDED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD ANY FURTHER WHEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE IDEAL TIME TO ADDRESS IT ABOUT THAT.
TO HELP JUST WITH OUR, UM, EDIFICATION DURING THIS PROCESS, TED SAID THAT HE'LL BE GETTING INFORMATION TO US ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHAT, UM, HE IS PLANNING FOR THIS YEAR, AND ALSO PROJECTING OUT, UM, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ZONES OR AREAS HE'S TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT THEM.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS, WE REALLY NEED MORE CONCRETE INFORMATION ON HOW HE WOULD BE APPROACHING, NOT JUST THE LUMP SUM OF ROADS THAT HE'S SAYING ARE DETERMINED TO BE POOR, BUT, UM, THERE'S, I'M SURE DIFFERENTIATION WITHIN THAT AND HOW, UM, IN PHASES OR IN CHUNKS OR ZONES HE WOULD BE PROPOSING TO GO FORWARD, BOTH IN TECHNIQUE AND IN, UM, A TIMEFRAME.
AND SO TED SAID HE IS WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT BEFORE WE EVEN GO, UH, FORWARD FORWARD.
COULD YOU HEAR, COULD YOU THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, UH, PARDON ME? WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME ON ALL OF THAT? I THINK SO.
AND BASED UPON OUR CONVERSATION, UH, BEFORE THIS CALL, UM, AND I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH YOU AGAIN, BETH, I GUIDE YOU, UH, ANYONE AND EVERYONE'S, UH, OPINIONS AND EXPERTISE AND, UH, 2 CENTS RELATIVE TO THIS MATTER, AN UNRELATED MATTER.
DO YOU THINK YOUR GROUP, YOUR GUYS CAN DO ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO CLEANING THIS DITCH ON THE SOUTH END, UH, UH, NEAR THURSTON AND LAYING A, A NEW DITCH RUNNING PARALLEL TO IT SOMETIME BEFORE, UH, THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF SEPTEMBER? UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ABSOLUTE, UH, TON OF WORK GOING BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS RELATIVE TO WORK ORDERS, BUT AS FAR AS THURSTON'S CONCERNED, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS, AND IT'S, IT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS AT THE END OF THE EXISTING DITCH, UH, THE PIPE THAT GOES UNDER LIN, UM, IS DAMAGED.
UH, AND WE'RE REPLACING THAT AND WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH A LARGER PIPE.
AND, UH, THE THINKING IS THAT THAT VERY WELL MAY SOLVE THE ISSUE.
I I DON'T WANNA SIGN UP TO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN ANOTHER DITCH OF SIX TO 800 FEET, UH, UNTIL WE HAVE, UH, ABSOLUTE DEFINITIVE CONFIRMATION THAT THAT IS IN FACT GONNA BE THE SOLUTION.
BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS, NOT JUST FROM CAMMIE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE CAMMIE, UH, SAW THE, AND KNEW THE FACT THAT THAT PIPE WAS DAMAGED UNDER LYNN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DO, WE HAVE TO BE VERY DUE, JUDICIOUS WITH IT, UH, EFFICIENT WITH IT.
AND UH, UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE PLAN ON PROCEEDING.
YOU KNOW, IF IT ENDS UP THAT WE HAVE TO, UM,
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DO A DITCH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.BUT, UH, TO ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES, UM, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT, UH, WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S BEEN WAITING FOR US TO DO THE, THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WHO NEXT? ANYBODY ELSE? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SORRY WE'VE KEPT YOU SO LONG HERE.
WE GOT, WE GOT A 40 MINUTE WITH OUR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.