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ALMOST, I THINK'S GIVING YOU, HMM.
I THINK JENNIFER'S GIVING YOU, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA COMMENCE THE MEETING FOR 7 20 20.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLE SUPERVISOR? SHAW HERE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO UNITED FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
NOW WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT SCHEDULED AT FOR SEVEN.
I'M GONNA DIGRESS JUST A MINUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW THINGS TO DO THAT ARE CEREMONIAL BEFORE WE, UH, GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE FIRST IS A PROCLAMATION FROM A GRATEFUL TOWN.
IN RECOGNITION OF THE LONG CAREER OF CAPTAIN JIM COOK OF THE HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE RESOLUTION READS AS FOLLOWS, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ACKNOWLEDGES THE RETIREMENT OF A DISTINGUISHED POLICE OFFICER AND PUBLIC SERVANT CAPTAIN JIM COOK.
AND WHEREAS JIM HAS SERVED THE HAMBURG POLICE FORCE AND THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR 33 YEARS AS A PATROL OFFICER, AS A DETECTIVE, AS A POLICE LIEUTENANT, AND MOST RECENTLY AS CAPTAIN OF OUR TOWN POLICE FORCE.
AND WHEREAS JIM HAS EARNED THE RESPECT OF HIS FELLOW OFFICERS FOR HIS YEARS OF DEDICATION TO THE HAMBURG SWAT TEAM, HIS LEADERSHIP IN ESTABLISHING THE MARINE UNDERWATER UNIT, AND AS A PEER COUNSELOR TO OFFICERS FOR MORE THAN 16 YEARS, MANY WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD NOW AND IN PRIOR YEARS WILL REMEMBER JIM'S STEADFAST SUPPORT FOR SPECIAL OLYMPICS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMFORD AND JIM'S MANY FRIENDS THROUGHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT WISH HIM AND MARY BETH THE HAPPIEST OF TIMES ALONG AND HEALTHY RETIREMENT SPENT WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDSON AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED TO OUR FRIEND AND LEADER JIM COOK.
THANK YOU FOR A JOB WELL DONE.
THIS IS IN MEMORIAL, WHEREAS MR. ROBERT ZERBE, A LONG TIME HAMBURG RESIDENT PASSED AWAY THIS SPRING AT THE AGE OF 78.
AND WHEREAS MR. ZERBE WAS A 56 YEAR MEMBER OF THE LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, WHO DURING HIS TENURE HELD ALL LINE OFFICE POSITIONS INCLUDING FIRE CHIEF.
AND WHEREAS MR. ZERBE SERVED THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY AS A HAMBURG FIRE INSPECTOR AND A AS A FIRE LIEUTENANT WHO CO-FOUNDED THE LAKESHORE BENEVOLENT FIREMAN'S ASSOCIATION TO ASSIST FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS.
WHEREAS HE WAS A PROUD MEMBER OF THE ERIE COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, A DEVOTED HUSBAND, FATHER, GRANDFATHER, AND GREAT-GRANDFATHER WHO WILL BE MISSED BY ALL WHO KNEW HIM.
NOW, THEREFORE, BEING RESOLVED AT THE HE TOWN BOARD EXPRESSES ITS APPRECIATION FOR ROBERT ZERBE AND TO HIS FAMILY FOR HIS 56 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE THAT WE EXTEND OUR HEARTFELT SYMPATHY TO ROBERT'S WIFE, MARY LOU, HIS SON ROBERT JUNIOR, AND HIS DAUGHTER DANA, AND HIS THREE GRANDCHILDREN, BRITTANY, BRYCE, AIDEN, AND HIS ONE GREAT-GRANDSON ASHLEY, AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE THAT ROBERT'S SERVICE WILL LONG BE CHERISHED BY EVERY FIREFIGHTER IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND BY ALL WHO HAVE BENEFITED FROM HAVING KNOWN HIM DURING HIS, DURING HIS LIFETIME OF COMMUNITY SERVICE.
SO I'LL PRESENT THIS TO MRS. ZERBE AND UH, WILL ALSO SEND A DUPLICATE TO THE LAKESHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
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HE WAS A WONDERFUL GUY.UH, NOW, UH, WE HAVE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, UH, A LEGAL NOTICE THAT THE CLERK PUBLISHED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS A, UH, NOTICE MADE PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW FOR A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS LOCAL LAW NUMBER FIVE, UH, IN THE YEAR 2020.
AND IT IS ENTITLED, UH, A LOCAL LAW TO AMEND CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING AND IT PROVIDES AS FOLLOWS, WITH THE ADOPTION OF AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE TO REZONE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 5 3 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, A PORTION OF SBL NUMBER 1 71 0.09 DASH ONE DASH 13.1 FROM C ONE, WHICH IS LOCAL RETAIL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH FACILITY.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, THE TOWN BOARD IS NOW OPENING ITS PUBLIC HEARING.
SEPARATE TODAY'S DATE AT 7:00 PM AT WHICH TIME ALL INTERESTED PARTIES MAY BE HEARD.
IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION? YES SIR.
YOUR HANDS UP PLEASE COME ON DOWN TOWARDS THIS MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR YOU REMOTELY AS WELL AS PERSONALLY.
WHERE, WHERE SHOULD I GO SIR? RIGHT AROUND HERE, SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME AND UH, YOUR STATUS AND AWAY WE GO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, SUPERVISOR SHAW, MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS, THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY.
I'M HERE WITH MY GOOD FRIEND AND CLIENT JOE SPINO IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUESTED RESULTING.
JOE DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS THAT IF WE COULD TAKE ONE MOMENT JUST TO GIVE EACH OF YOU, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ILLUSTRATE HE'S HANDING OUT A COPY OF AN EXCERPT OF THE ZONING MAP TO SHOW WHERE THE SITE IS AND WHAT THE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS IN THE NEARBY VICINITY ARE, AS WELL AS A COLOR COPY OF THE CONCEPT AS WELL AS A COLOR VERSION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CODE.
SO AS THE SUPERVISOR INDICATED, WE'RE HERE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST SEEKING TO AMEND THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF A PORTION OF 45 35 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THAT'S AN EXISTING PARTIALLY DEVELOPED OFFICE PARK OWNED AND OPERATED BY ROY JORDAN.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE FULL SIZE SITE PLAN THAT'S ON THE EASEL, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE IN THE CORNER OF THAT SITE.
THE SITE ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 1.16 ACRES, ACRES IN SIZE, CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE.
IN ORDER FOR THE PROPOSED STANDALONE CAR WASH, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE C TWO ZONING.
ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS SITE IS IT ALREADY HAS BEEN DISTURBED.
THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING, THERE'S NO TREES.
MR. JORDAN PREVIOUSLY WAS GONNA BUILD A SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THERE, UNFORTUNATELY NOT ONLY FOR WEST YORK BUT FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AT THIS TIME.
AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS TO DEMAND FOR STANDALONE NEW OFFICE PACE HAS LARGELY DISSIPATED AND AS SUCH, MR. JORDAN HAS ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH MR. ESPINO THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO BUILD THE CAR WASH IF WE CAN GET THE REQUIRED APPROVALS.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 4,950 SQUARE FEET AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS CAR WASH IS DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL CAR WASH IN WEST NEWARK FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, IT IS A STANDALONE CAR WASH.
UNLIKE DELTA SONIC, THERE'S NOT AN OIL CHANGE, THERE'S NOT A CONVENIENCE STORE, THERE'S NOT A DETAIL SHOP.
IT IS LOWER FOR CUSTOMERS TO SHOW UP, GET THEIR CARS WASHED AND LEAD.
IT'S LARGELY A SUBSCRIPTION BASED MODEL, MEANING YOU PAY A MONTHLY FEE, YOU SHOW UP WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, GET YOUR CAR WASHED, USE THE VACUUMS IF YOU CHOOSE TO, AND THEN LEAVE.
MR. SPINO HAS SPENT A TON OF TIME IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PARTICULAR CAR WASH AND THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS APPROXIMATELY $4.5 BILLION.
SO THIS REPRESENTS A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
IF YOU TURN TO THE SECOND OF THE 11 BY 17 PLANS, WE ACTUALLY DO A FULL-SIZED COPY OF THE EAGLE MEET THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THAT'S THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN SEE, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS IS PROBABLY NICER THAN ANY CAR WASH IN WEST YORK AND I BELIEVE NICER THAN ANY CAR WASH I'VE EVER SEEN.
HE'S REALLY GOING ABOVE THIS CURRENT STANDARD IN TERMS OF MARKET ARCHITECTURE.
MIMICS A TWO STORY BUILDING ALONG THE FRONT HAS HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS INCLUDING STONE AND WOOD.
AND THEN AS YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, IT STARTS TO MORE MIMIC THE EXISTING SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
SO A LOT OF TIME HAS BEEN SPENT IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE TOWN AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPART OF TRANSPORTATION, IS IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN
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BOULEVARD.IT'S AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY CONNECTION AND THAT'S VERY GOOD NEWS.
SO IF MR. SPEEDO IS GONNA LOCATE THIS CAR WASH ANYWHERE ELSE ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR, INCLUDING MANY PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED C TWO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZONING MAP PARCELS IMMEDIATELY IN THE VICINITY, IT WOULD REQUIRE A CURB CUT.
IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE REMOVAL OF GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPE.
THAT'S NOT REQUIRED HERE AS WELL.
UH, CHAIRMAN CLARK OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF HIS POSITION ON THE REZONING MADE THOSE POINTS VERY CLEAR.
HE THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY SUITABLE LOCATION.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT STACKING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO CAR WASHES.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A STACKING PROM.
MR. JORDAN WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE DOES NOT HAVE A STACKING PROBLEM IN HIS OFFICE PARK.
SO WE ARE SHOWING 43 STACKING SPACES.
KNOWING THAT IT BASICALLY TAKES ABOUT A MINUTE TO CYCLE THROUGH THE CAR WASH, THAT MEANS THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WAIT FOR 43 MINUTES IF THE STACKING WAS FULL.
WE DON'T FIND THAT THAT OCCURS GENERAL WITH CAR WASHES.
SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF STACKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING, NONE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 22.5%.
UH, JOE'S HAD SOME CON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSERVATION BOARD AND HAS ADVISED HIM DON'T WORK CLOSELY IN TERMS OF DETERMINING QUALITY OF BOTH, BOTH NATURAL AND NATIVE VEGETATION ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FRONTAGE.
GIVEN THAT WE'RE SPENDING FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, OBVIOUSLY LANDSCAPING IS ESSENTIAL.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMES TOGETHER AND RESULTS IN AN OVERALL GOOD PROJECT.
THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THIS OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MONTHS, SEVERAL OF THOSE BEING REMOTE MEETINGS AS A RESULT OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
ULTIMATELY AFTER A CLOSE CALL, THE PLANNING BOARD DID ISSUE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THERE WERE ALSO SOME COMMENTS MADE BY SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS IN SUPPORT OF IT.
THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC.
AND I GUESS WHAT WE WOULD ASK TO CONSIDER IS, NUMBER ONE, THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REVIEWED OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND SAID IT HAD NO CONCERNS.
NUMBER TWO, AND I DON'T WANNA BE IN ANY WAY INSULTING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER WHAT COULD GO THERE TODAY.
KEEP IN MIND THAT SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDING COULD BE BUILT TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE AM WEEKDAY PEAK PEAK HOUR, IT'S A REDUCTION IN TERMS OF THE PM WEEKDAY HOUR.
AND THEN OF COURSE, CAR WASHES ARE TYPICALLY BUSIER ON SATURDAYS THAN WEEKDAYS.
SO ON SATURDAYS IT WOULD BE AN INCREASED TRAFFIC.
THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS THERE'S NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD DURING THAT SATURDAY PEAK HOUR.
GENERALLY WITH THESE CAR WASHES, WHAT YOU FIND IS THERE'S ABOUT 10 DAYS A YEAR, WE ALL KNOW THEM VERY WELL WHERE THERE'S BEEN WINTER CONDITIONS, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S SPRING AND EVERYONE WANTS TO GO TO THE CAR WASH AT THE SAME TIME.
OTHER THAN THAT, GENERALLY YOU GO THERE WHEN IT'S MOST CONVENIENT, MEANING, FOR EXAMPLE, ME, I GO TO CLASSY CHASSIS OR I ACTUALLY GO TO UH, WELL WASHED ON TRANSIT SOMETIMES AND IF I DRIVE BY THERE AND I SEE 12 CARS, I STOP BACK THE NEXT TIME I'M DRIVING BY BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA WAIT 20 MINUTES.
IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, THE PLANNING BOARD DID POINT OUT THAT WE MORE THAN EXCEED THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO RELATIVE TO PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE.
I WOULD NOTE THAT'S ABOUT 400 OR 450 FEET AWAY.
UH, DURING THE COURSE OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S REVIEW, NO NEARBY RESIDENTIAL USERS SPOKE AGAINST THE REZONING.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT IS IT IS SUBJECT TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL WATER REVIEW ACT, I WOULD NOTE SEVERAL THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, NO WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
TWO, NO VEGETATION, NO GREEN SPACE.
THREE, A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS PREPARED BY SR ASSOCIATES AND AGAIN, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THERE ALREADY IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON SITE.
WE WILL BE CONNECTING TO THAT.
THEREBY ITS VERY, WE COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT PEC STORMWATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER QUANTITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO I THINK IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WE'VE ADDRESSED 'EM ALL.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, SCHEDULE A DECISION DATE, AND MR. SPEEDO AND MYSELF WOULD MORE THAN WELCOME ANY INPUT YOU HAVE OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE DO APPRECIATE YOU HOLDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND THE REQUESTED REZONING.
UH, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS RESORT? UH, YES SIR.
I OWN THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE ROUGH RELATIONS
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BUILDING, FORMERLY THE HCK FURNITURE BUILDING.UM, AND I, I YOUNG, I JUST BECOME AWARE OF IT AND JUST FROM WHAT I SEE RIGHT HERE, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY REASON YOU WOULD REJECT A PLAN LIKE THAT.
I THINK TO BUILD UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY, IT'S, IT'S A POSITIVE THING.
I DON'T SEE THINGS WRONG WITH IT.
SO, UH, GIVEN THE CONDITIONS A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW ABOUT IT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? ANY, YES SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE 43 STAT MM-HMM
IS THAT CONSIDERING ALL THREE LANES OR IS THAT PER LANE? NO, SO THAT IS CONSIDERING COUNCIL MCCONNELLY ALL THREE LANES.
SO WOULD THAT BE BASICALLY 14 CARS? YEAH, MORE OR LESS.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONCEPT IDEA AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE TUNNEL OR THE CAR WASH YOU, THE, THE STACKING LANE MERGE.
AND I'M CURIOUS ON, UH, WHERE EXACTLY WOULD THE VACUUMS BE LOCATED? SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE CAR, BUT, SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP, COUNCIL MEMBER CONNELY, YOU'RE CORRECT.
YOU CAN SEE THE STACKING LENGTH Q THEN TURNS INTO THREE AND THEN GOES BACK INTO OBVIOUSLY ULTIMATELY ONE.
WHAT TYPICALLY OCCURS HERE IS, EXCEPT FOR THOSE FEW DAYS WHERE IT'S REALLY BUSY, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE OPEN.
AND TYPICALLY AN EMPLOYEE WILL MARK THAT ACCORDINGLY.
IN TERMS OF YOUR SECOND QUESTION, THE VACUUMS, THE VACUUMS ARE LOCATED OVER HERE AND THOSE ARE A FREE AMENITY.
MEANING IF YOU COME TO THIS CAR WASH, YOU DO NOT NOT HAVE TO PAY TO UTILIZE THE VACUUMS. AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, THEY'RE HERE.
'CAUSE NUMBER ONE, THEY WON'T BE AS VISIBLE.
AND NUMBER TWO, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM NEARBY USES OR MAXIMIZING THE DISTANCE.
AND THESE ARE THE MODERN, UH, VACUUMS THAT YOU MORE LIKELY SEE AT DELTA SONIC, WHERE IT'S A CENTRAL SYSTEM HAS THE TUBE AND THEY'RE NOT AS NOISY AS THE OLD ONES THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE ON A MOBILE ON THE RUN OR A NOTEBOOK, ET CETERA.
ANYTHING ELSE LADIES JONES, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS? HAVE YOU HEARD FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEARBY AND WHAT THEIR, UH, THOUGHTS ARE? YEAH, SO MR. JORDAN, AS MEMBER, THE LONGTIME OWNER OF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS OFFICE PARK WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS TENANTS ARE OKAY, RIGHT? THOSE ARE HIS TENANTS.
THEY PAY HIM LEASES, THEY PAY HIM RENT EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
SO MR. SPINO AND ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES OF ROY JORDAN DID SOLICIT INPUT FROM THE TENANTS.
UM, NO NEGATIVE INPUT WAS RECEIVED AND THEN ULTIMATELY AT ONE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, AT ONE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, RIGHT, JOE, THERE WAS ONE WOMAN WHO I THINK WAS A HEALTHCARE PRACTITIONER WHO DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE DID EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT WE'VE TOLD YOU TONIGHT, NO NEW CURB CUTS, THE PEAK HOUR DOESN'T LINE OFF OF AN OFFICE PARK, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO TO DATE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO EXPRESSED COMMENTS.
MR. JORDAN DID SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE LANDLORD THAT SUMMARIZED THE DISCUSSIONS WITH TENANTS.
AND I THINK, JOE, YOU CAN CONFIRM, FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THE EXISTING TENANTS HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE PROJECT.
AND DO YOU OPERATE OTHER, UH, FACILITIES LIKE THIS? WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN WEST SENECA.
UM, THE SUBSCRIPTION BASED BUSINESS, UH, FOR ME, LIKE MY HISTORY, I'VE BEEN WITH, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FITNESS INDUSTRIES FOR LIKE THE LAST 25 YEARS.
SO CARRYING ON THAT CONCEPT OF MARKETING AND MANAGING A MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION BASED BUSINESS WHILE GETTING INTO THE CAR WASH.
AND WILL YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SUBSCRIPTIONS ALLOWED? THE ATTRITION RATE SIM ARE LIKE WHAT? GYM BUSINESS KIND OF, UH, AS THEY DROP OFF, AS THEY COME ON, IT KIND OF CAPS ITSELF OFF WITH THE NATURAL ATTRITION RATE OF A MONTHLY BILLING.
SIMILAR TO, UH, DELTA, SONIC OR ROYAL, THEY DON'T HAVE A CAP AS WELL.
THEY JUST KIND OF SERVERS THEIR TRACK, I GUESS IT COMES IN.
NOW, IF THERE IS A BACKUP ON SOUTHWESTERN, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE 10 DAYS WHERE YOU DO SEE CARS, UH, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT? WELL, SO WE DO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS ON THOSE, IF YOU GO BY ONE OF THE OTHER COMPETITORS, YOU'LL SEE ON THOSE DAYS, AND FOR THE MOST PART ALL THOSE DELTA STOCKS, THEY'VE GONE BACK TO THE DRY BOARD PATENT, A LOT MORE STACKING THAN THEY HAD HISTORICALLY.
BUT ON THOSE RARE, RARE INSTANCES WHERE THERE MAY BE MORE THAN THOSE 43 STACKING SPACES FILL, YOU WOULD USE EMPLOYEES TO STAGGER THEM ON THE SITE.
KEEP IN MIND THAT WOULD OCCUR ON A SATURDAY.
ON A SATURDAY, THAT OFFICE PARK IS TO A LARGE DEGREE EMPTY.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU WERE THAT 43RD CAR, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, I DON'T MIND WAITING 43 MINUTES FOR A CAR WASH.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT IT, THERE'S NO CIRCUMSTANCE WHY WOULD DO THAT.
AND THE DUMP SONIC THAT'S CLOSEST TO US, THE ONE IN NOR PARK THEY'RE STACKING IS FAR LESS THAN 43 SPOTS.
AND THAT'S FOR A FULL SERVICE.
THIS IS LITERARY STANDALONE CAR WASH.
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THIS IS TO GET INTO THIS BUSINESS, AND THIS IS WHY JOE'S HISTORY IS RELEVANT.IT'S A HUGE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT FOR ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION.
JOE, FORTUNATELY HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER ENTREPRENEURIAL PURSUITS.
HE HAS SPENT A TON OF TIME BEFORE ADVANCING THESE PROJECTS, GOING TO EVERY TYPE OF TRAINING CLASS, LEARNING EVERY DETAIL ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT, IMPLEMENTING A MARKETING PLAN.
SO WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE AND JOE IS PUTTING HIS MONEY ON THE LINE THAT THIS WILL BE SUCCESS AND WILL EXIST FOR A LONG TIME AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
WE THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.
DID THE PLANNING BOARD EXPLORE, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA REPEAT, UH, THE FINANCIAL BACKING TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THE WHEREWITHAL TO, UH, WITHSTAND STARTING UP A BUSINESS OF THIS, UH, NATURE.
NO, THEY DIDN'T CUSTOMER CON THEY DIDN'T SEEM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANTED TO SEE.
WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE IN, IN THAT WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES NEEDED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG PROJECT.
IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OF A A, A MAIN THOROUGH FAIR.
IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT CAR ACCIDENTS.
AND SO TO KNOW THAT IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO REZONE AND TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE THIS KIND OF UNIQUE FACILITY THAT THE PEOPLE OPERATING IT AND THAT ARE GONNA, UH, BE IN CHARGE OF IT, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO HAVE THIS AS A LONG-TERM, UH, VIABLE BUSINESS IN THE TOWN.
THE ONLY THING WE WOULD ASK, WE COULD DO THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY OBVIOUSLY THE VERY SPECIFICS OF OUR BUSINESS PLAN, MR. SPEEDO'S NO SURE.
FINANCIAL SITUATION, BUT WE CAN GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.
HAVING SAID THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND WE'LL TABLE THIS MATTER, UH, TO OUR AUGUST THE THIRD MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION AND POTENTIAL AT A POTENTIAL VOTE UP OR DOWN.
SO WE'RE OFF FOR TWO WEEKS AND 8 3 20 AT 7:00 PM RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE BRING IT TO A VOTE UP OR DOWN.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
NO, YOU DIDN'T VOTE ON GET THE VOTE ON THE CLOSING.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP ANOTHER ONE NOW.
UH, PLEASE STATE NOTICE THAT THEY'RE PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ON 7 6 20.
PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, PROPOSED LOCAL LAW BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 4 20 20.
THIS LOCAL LAW AUTHORIZES THE AMENDMENT TO INCREASE TOWN PARKING VIOLATION FINES PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 180 5 DASH EIGHT AND 180 8 DASH 21 OF THE TOWN LAW FOR THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THE LOCAL LAW SECTION 180 8 0.2, ONE OF THE TOWN CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BE AMENDED TO PROVIDE AS FOLLOWS, ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATION PERMITTING ANY VEHICLE TO REMAIN PARKED OR STANDING ON ANY STREET.
CONTRARY TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CODE, SHALL UPON CONVICTION BE PUNISHED FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $40 NOT EXCEEDING $60.
AND FOR THE SECOND OFFENSE, A MINIMUM FINE OF $90, NOT EXCEEDING $110.
A THIRD OR SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE WITHIN ONE YEAR MAY BE PUNISHABLE BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $140 NOT TO EXCEED $160 OR BY IMPRISONMENT FOR A TIME NOT EXCEEDING 30 DAYS OR BOTH SUCH FINE AND IMPRISONMENT.
THE LOCAL LAW SECTION 180 8 0.21 OF THE TOWN CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SHALL ALSO BE AMENDED TO PROVIDE AS FOLLOWS.
A THE DRIVER OF SAID MOTOR VEHICLE ENTERING A THE HAMBURG TOWN BEACH PARK WITHOUT DISPLAYING A VALID USE PERMIT, SHALL BE GUILTY OF AN OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $40, NOT EXCEEDING $60 FOR A SECOND OFFENSE BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $90, NOT EXCEEDING 110.
A THIRD OR ANY SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE WITHIN ONE YEAR MAY BE PUNISHABLE BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $140 NOT TO EXCEED 160 OR BY IMPRISONMENT FOR A TIME NOT EXCEEDING 30 DAYS OR BY BOTH SUCH FINE AND IMPRISONMENT.
THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE LOCAL LAWS SHALL APPLY TO ALL PARKING VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS PARKING AT THE HANFORD TOWN PARK WITHOUT A VALID USE PERMIT IN THE TOWN OF AMPING.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL HOME NEW LAW, UH, WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING SET FOR TODAY'S DATE
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AT 7:00 PM DOES ANYBODY CARE TO BE HEARD FOR OR AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE MODIFICATION? IT HAS TO BE DONE BY LOCAL LAW AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING.ANYBODY, JIM, THERE'S A TYPO ON THE FIRST LINE.
THE FIRST LINE OF THE SECOND PARAGRAPH SHOULD LOCAL LAW SECTION 180 5 0.8 INSTEAD OF 180 8.
ANYTHING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF NOT, UH, WE'LL SCHEDULE THIS, UH, UH, LOCAL LAW FOR BOARD CONSIDERATION, UH, A VOTE ON THE MERITS FOR AUGUST THE THIRD, 2020 AT 7:00 PM I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXIT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR LOCAL LAW.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND, MR. CONLEY? THANK YOU.
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON JULY THE SIXTH, 2020.
PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW.
NUMBER SIX FOR THE YEAR 2020 SAID, LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE.
IN THE FOLLOWING CHAPTERS AND SECTIONS, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THE AMENDMENTS CAN BE DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS.
THE FOLLOWING CODE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE HAMBURG CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ADOPTION BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AMEND CHAPTER 90 DEAD TREE SECTION BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTIONS 90 DASH TWO AND 90 DASH THREE REMOVAL OF DEAD TREES.
NUMBER TWO, AMEND CHAPTER TWO 80 OF ZONING BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTION TWO 80 DASH 31, PARAGRAPH J LAPSE OF AUTHORIZATION.
AMEND CHAPTER TWO 80 FOR ZONING BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTIONS TWO 80 DASH 2 88.
THAT'S RESTORATION AMEND CHAPTER 2 32, SWIMMING POOL CODE BY DELETING, REPLACING PRIVATE SWIMMING POOLS.
END QUOTE FIVE, AMEND CHAPTER 2 32, SWIMMING POOL CODE BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTION 2 32 DASH 14.
UH, WE'RE REPLACING THE TERM LOCATION.
END AMEND UH, NUMBER SIX IS AMEND CHAPTER TWO 80 OF ZONING CODE BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTION TWO 80 DASH TWO 40 SIGNS ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
NUMBER SEVEN, AMEND CHAPTER 76 OF THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE PREVENTION CODE BY DELETING AND REPLACING SECTION 76 DASH 24 L.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, CHAPTER 76, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE PREVENTION BY DELETING AND REPLACING 76 SECTION 76 DASH 24 C.
DETAILED COPY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND ALSO CAN BE VIEWED ON OUR WEBSITE.
EXCUSE ME, THAT IS THE, UH, ESSENCE OF THE, UH, LOCAL LAW.
THESE ARE CODE AMENDMENTS TO OUR TOWN ZONING CODE.
UM, I'LL OPEN THE, UH, DISCUSSION HERE FOR ANYONE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS IF ANYONE CARES TO SPEAK ABOUT.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW, I GUESS WHAT CODE SECTIONS ARE BEING REPLACED BY WHAT EXACTLY WE DISCUSSED THAT TWO WEEKS AGO.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT ANY OF THIS? OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
I ALSO DEFER, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THIS FOR VOTE ON THE MERITS TO AUGUST THE THIRD, 2020 AT 7:00 PM RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
MR. P, YOU ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE AYE.
ALRIGHT, UH, KAREN, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR A MOMENT.
RESOLVE THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS FOLLOWS.
ALL IN FAVOR A AYE MOTION IS CARRIED.
UH, THE NEXT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS, WAS SCHEDULED TO
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BE THE ADOPTION OF THE SOLAR ENERGY LOCAL LAW.WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY THE SIXTH.
NOW, SINCE THAT TIME, OUR TOWN PLANNER DREW RILEY HAS MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT HE'S RECEIVED FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, ALSO, UH, MARK LING, OUR DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY, HAS MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY OF ERIE BASED ON THAT, THAT WE NEED TO WORK UP, UH, A NEW DRAFT OF THE LOCAL LAW.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS MATTER FOR A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
SECOND IS MS. FERRELL, I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THIS RESOLUTION IS TABLED WHEREAS THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED A AN RFP FOR PROFESSIONAL S FOR A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON APRIL 27TH, 2020.
AND WHEREAS THE RFPS WERE OPENED ON MAY 27TH, 2020 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONSULTING FIRMS SUBMITTING RESPONSES TO THE RFP BARTON AND LEGAS CPL AND WENDELL.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT BASED UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS RFP REVIEW COMMITTEE AND AFTER A FINAL INTERVIEW WITH THE HIGHEST RATED CONSULTANT, THAT WENDELL SHALL BE HIRED TO COMPLETE THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE REDUCED FEE NEGOTIATED FOR THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHALL NOT EXCEED $123,500 WITH FOLLOWING ACCOUNTS TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE PROJECT B 9 9 5 0 0.975 CDBG ADMINISTRATION, CDA 8 6 6 8 0.35 AND OR PROGRAM INCOME ACCOUNT.
SECOND IS MR. PETRI FINAL A QUESTION TO ANYBODY? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WHEREAS JOHN KEEM PAID TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BUILDING PERMIT NUMBER 20 20 0 0 8 7 9 ZONING BOARD APPLICATION NUMBER 5 8 0 2 TO BUILD A DECK AT 4 7 5 0 CLIFTON PARKWAY.
AND WHEREAS JOHN KE WITHDREW THE APPLICATION AFTER IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE HAMBURG SUN AND FRONT PAGE BECAUSE OF LUMBER SHORTAGE AND PRICING, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT JOHN KEEM BE ISSUED A REFUND FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ZONING BOARD APPLICATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $200.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
THE, UH, TOWN OF HAMBURG ADOPTED RESOLUTION NUMBER 23, UH, BUDGET REDUCTIONS OWING TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, UH, TO REDUCE THE PROJECTED OPERATING DEFICIT FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT VOTE WAS TAKEN ON 7 6 20 WHEREAS ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENTS OF TOWN GOVERNMENT, UH, WHICH CAME IN AFTER THE DATE OF 7 6 20.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ADOPT THE BELOW BUDGETARY TRANSFERS FROM ACCOUNTS LISTED TO EACH RESPECTIVE FUNDS CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT, UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED NOT TO BE SPENT, BUT RATHER TO OFFSET ANTICIPATED REVENUE LOSSES AS DISCUSSED BY THE TOWN BOARD AND THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AT THE JUNE 29TH, 2020 SPECIAL MEETING.
UH, SO WE DID HAVE IT ON THE 6TH OF JULY.
WE DID DISCUSS IT PRIOR TO THAT AT A SPECIAL MEETING.
I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS AND THE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE TRANSFERRED TO CONTINGENCY.
THE IDEA IS TO HOLD THAT MONEY IN CONTINGENCY OR IN ESCROW IN A SENSE AND APPLY IT TO DEFICIT REDUCTIONS IF NECESSARY.
THE TOTAL A FUND AMOUNT OF THE TRANSFER IS $89,000.
ADDITIONAL NUMBER, THE TOTAL PART TOWN B FUND TRANSFER IS $3,000.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND IS KAREN HOPE, UH, THE QUESTION ANYBODY? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NOW BEFORE I GET TO THE GGHD UH, REPORT AND SO FORTH, THERE WAS, LET ME ASK YOU, KATHY, DO WE HAVE HERE A, UH, UH, A RESOLUTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING ON CLOVER BANK NEAR ROGERS? IS THAT ON FOR TONIGHT? I I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, LET ME MOVE THEN TO NUMBER 11.
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NOW, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO HERE WITH YOUR PERMISSION IS MOVE THIS FOR CONSIDERATION ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, WE GET, WE FILED THIS ON THURSDAY BASED ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S REPORT, AND THEN WE GOT A, A MEMO FROM THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT FRIDAY AFTERNOON WITH CONTRARY SUGGESTIONS.SO LET ME JUST BRING THIS BEFORE US AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS IDENTIFIED A COMPELLING NEED TO SECURE A PROPOSAL FOR THE DESIGN OF THURSTON AVENUE, UH, DR AREA DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE THE CLEANING OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OLYMPIC AVENUE, UH, PAPER STREET AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PARALLEL DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PAPER STREET WITH AN ACCOMPANYING BI.
AND WHEREAS THE EXISTING COMMUNITY DRAINAGE INCLUDES A MIX OF STORM SEWERS, ROADSIDE DISHES, WHICH ARE INADEQUATE TO CONTAIN THE HEAVY FLOW OF STORM WATER EMANATING FROM THE WOODLAWN, WINDHAM, WYNDHAM, UH, FIRE COMPANY AND THE WYNDHAM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROPERTIES.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURGERS CONSULTING ENGINEERS GHG CONSULTING SERVICES, RECOMMENDS THAT THE CLEANING OF THE EXISTING DITCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OLYMPIC, UH, OF THE OLYMPIC PAPER STREET IS NECESSARY ALONG WITH ITS REGRADING.
AND WHEREAS GHG RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN INSTALL A SECOND PARALLEL DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PAPER STREET WITH AN ADJACENT FIRM FROM THE END OF THE PAVEMENT ON OLYMPIC AVENUE TO THE MAIN DRAINAGE DITCH PAST THE END OF LYNN DRIVE.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAS THE SKILLED PERSONNEL AND THE NECESSARY EQUIPMENT TO ADDRESS THE FOREGOING RECOMMENDATIONS AS SET FORTH BY GHD NOW THEREFORE, UH, BE IT RESOLVED THAT GHD CONSULTING SERVICES SHALL PREPARE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS SUITABLE FOR PUBLIC BIDDING.
MOREOVER, THOSE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS SHALL INCLUDE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE NEW AND EXISTING DITCH, ALONG WITH MISCELLANEOUS SERVICES AS A SET FORTH IN SUB PARAGRAPHS 2.1 ENTITLED IN THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE GHC PROPOSAL THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS RESOLUTION, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOM BOARD REQUESTS THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKE THE WORK PURSUANT TO THE DRAWING AND SPECIFICATIONS PREPARED BY GHC AND LET THE DEPARTMENT NOTIFY THE TOWN BY AUGUST 1ST OF ITS AVAILABILITY TO START AND COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED WITHIN THE EVENT THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT CANNOT, FOR ANY REASON TIMELY UNDERTAKE THIS ASSIGNMENT AND GHE CONSULTING SERVICES SHALL PREPARE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS FOR POTENTIAL BIDDERS AND IDENTIFY COMPANIES QUALIFIED TO SUBMIT BID PROPOSALS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WORK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE GHD PROPOSAL, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT GHD IS TO BEGIN WORK ON THIS PROJECT IMMEDIATELY UPON THE RECEIPT OF A TOWN CLERK CERTIFIED COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION, WHICH WILL SERVE AS THE TOWN'S AUTHORIZATION TO GO FORWARD WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DESIGN WORK SHALL BE COMPLETED WITHIN TWO WEEKS, THE DATE OF 7 20 20, AND THE COST NOT TO EXCEED $10,000 FOR ALL SERVICES SPECIFIED IN THE DESIGN FEES PROPOSAL PREPARED BY GHD SERVICES ON THE 14TH OF JULY, 2020.
AND ATTACHED TO THIS RESOLUTION, I MOVE TO CONSIDER IT ONLY IS THERE A SECOND TO THE CONSIDERATION.
SECOND, MR. PETRI IS ON THE SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
NOW THE MATTER IS BEFORE US AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD IDEAS AND MAYBE SOME CONFLICTING THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT IS BEST TO DO.
SO I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK FOR THIS RESOLUTION OR AGAINST IT.
JIM, I THOUGHT, UM, YOU MET WITH CAMMY EARLIER.
CAMMY, DO YOU WANT TO GET OFF? WELL, LET ME, LET ME, THIS GENTLEMAN, UH, GO AHEAD SIR.
DAN, YOU YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
MY NAME IS DAN
UH, COME ON UP A LITTLE CLOSER.
WE GOTTA GET YOU ON ON THE MICROPHONE HERE SO PEOPLE AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU.
MYSELF AND, UH, DAN
WE MET WITH, UH, TED AND CA UH, CAM HERE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND TED'S PROPOSAL IS TO REPLACE COVER PIPE THAT RUNS UNDER LIN DRIVE AND CLEAN OUT THE EXISTING DITCH FOR A DISTANCE OF ABOVE APPROXIMATELY 120 FEET.
AND IT'S AN ESTIMATE THAT THE REMAINING DITCH THAT IS NOT GONNA BE CLEANED OUT.
IS IT APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THAT THAT AREA THAT'S NOT BEING CLEANED IS ALSO FILLED WITH A LOT OF DEBRIS, DEAD WOOD, FALLEN TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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ADDITION, CAMMY'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO HAVE A SECONDARY DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIGHT OF LAKE TO ALLOW TO COLLECT WATER FROM THE SURFACE RUNOFF OF ELLIPTIC AVENUE, AS WELL AS CATCHING ANY OVERFLOW FROM THE DITCH ON THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH SIDE.AND IF, IF THOSE, WE STILL FEEL THAT THOSE ARE THE BEST SOLUTIONS WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR ALL THESE YEARS, WE'VE STUDIED IT AND WE KNOW WHAT WE, WE SEE ON A, ON A, ON THE SAME BASIS AS EVERY STORM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL HOLDING OUT HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THIS DONE AS, AS CAMMY PROPOSED.
UH, CAMMI, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? AND THEN CHAD, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? GO AHEAD KEN.
WELL, UM, PLEASE COME ON DOWN SO WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
SO BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE REVIEWED THROUGH WHAT'S NOW, UH, TWO SITE VISITS WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, REVIEW OF WHAT HIGHWAYS PROPOSING IT, IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN TO TWO ITEMS. UM, WHAT HIGHWAY IS PROPOSING IS REPLACING THIS 15 INCH, UH, PIPE THAT CROSSES LIN DRIVE AND ADJUSTING THE, THE CATCH BASINS, WHICH ARE POORLY LOCATED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT ADDRESSES IS THE THEORY THAT THE FLOODING IS CAUSED BY THIS PINCH POINT OR, UH, THIS 15 INCH CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH THE WATER GOING THROUGH PAST LINE DRIVE TO THE MAJOR DRAINAGE DITCH CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH THE AREA.
THE ENGINEERING PROPOSAL FOR THIS NORTH SIDE DITCH WORKS MORE ON HOW THE RESIDENTS WERE DESCRIBING THE STORM EVENTS AS COMING ACROSS AND TO THE SOUTH DITCH AND OVERTOP THAT SOUTH DITCH AND THEN CONTINUING NORTH TOWARDS THE THURSTON AVENUE AREA.
I, I SEE SOME POSITIVES WITH WHAT THE HIGHWAY IS PROPOSING.
HOWEVER, IF WATER CONTINUES TO OVERTOP THAT SOUTH DITCH, IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT DOWN TO THE NEW 24 INCH PIPE AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP TOWARDS THURSTON.
SO THERE IS STILL VALUE OF THAT NORTH DITCH FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION OF OUR DEPARTMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE? TED, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT? YEAH, JUST, UH, DAN, REGARDING THE, UH, 120 FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS AS FAR AS HOW FAR WE'RE LOOKING TO GO INTO THE WOODS TO BETTER DEFINE THE DITCH, WHATEVER THAT DISTANCE IS.
I TOOK A
'CAUSE THERE ARE MOST OF THOSE OTHER SECTIONS OF APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET WHERE THE BERM AND THE SHAPE OF THE DITCH, IT APPEARS TO BE FINE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT OUT OTHER EXPERTS IN ADDITION CAMMY THIS MORNING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND A CLEAR AND PRESENT ISSUE.
FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE RUNOFF FROM LINDA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DITCH, EVEN THE LAY PERSON CAN LOOK AT THAT DITCH AND CONCLUDE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT DITCH.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE DITCH.
WE ARE GOING TO BETTER DEFINE THE DITCH.
WE ARE MORE THAN DOUBLING THE CAPACITY OF THE PIPE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH.
LYNN, I WAS AT LYNN, UH, THIS PAST THURSDAY DURING A PRETTY HEAVY, UH, RAINSTORM, AS WE ALL KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IT'S INDICATIVE OF, UH, THE STORMS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE EXPERIENCED.
HOWEVER, I DID TAKE PICTURES TO SHOW THAT THE PIPE ITSELF WAS AT HALF CAPACITY.
UM, THE RESIDENT THAT LIVES RIGHT AT THE END OF LYNN, RIGHT WHERE THE PIPE BEGINS, HAS SET THAT HER HUSBAND GOES OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THANK YOU FOR THE RESIDENT, AND CLEARS OUT THE ENTRANCE TO THAT PIPE.
NOW CERTAINLY THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN MORE DILIGENT AND WE NEED TO MONITOR THAT OURSELVES.
BUT IF THAT PIPE ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED, UH, IT IS, IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO CONCLUDE IT.
THE DITCH ITSELF WILL THEN BE OVERCOME, WHICH IS, YOU CAN SEE FROM WINDHAM, UH, THERE IS A SWALE THAT, UH, GUIDES THAT WATER.
IT SHOWS THAT THAT STREAM THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE, THE DITCH.
UH, THE EXPERTS THAT I BROUGHT THERE HAVE SAID, YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS DITCH.
WE'RE GONNA BURN IT UP HIGH ON THE DOWNWARD SIDE OF THAT DITCH.
WE'RE GONNA USE RAILROAD TIES TO HELP SECURE IT.
AND, UH, I'M, I'M QUITE CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE THE SOLUTION FOR THAT RELATIVE TO THE RUNOFF FROM OLYMPIC, UH, THAT, UH, IS BELIEVED BY SOME.
IT THEN MAKES ITS WAY INTO THE BACKYARD OF THIRSTY.
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AND I SAID TO KATIE CAMMY, IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WITH ENGINEERING AND SCIENCE SHOW THAT THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE BECAUSE THE RESIDENT THAT LIVES RIGHT THERE, JEFF SAID HE'D NEVER BORN WITNESS TO THAT.WE WANT TO USE THE ENGINEER, WE WANNA USE THE FACTS TO GUIDE THAT.
AND AT THAT POINT, AS YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THIS MORNING I SAID, WE STILL WOULD NOT NEED A SECOND DISH.
I'M NOT AGAINST A SECOND DITCH.
WHAT I AM AGAINST IS I'M NOT WASTING THE LIMITED RESOURCES OF THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
SO AT THE END OF THE LIMIT, UH, I HAD SET A PIPE, DAN, YOU SUGGESTED MAYBE JUST A DITCH WITH A BER THAT WOULD THEN GUIDE DIRECTLY TO THE EXISTING DITCH THAT'S ALL OF 20 TO 30 FEET.
THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN HANDLE THAT, UH, VERY EASILY.
UH, BUT WE HAVE TO GO AFTER THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
AND I WANT TO REVIEW AGAIN WHAT WE DID INITIALLY.
WE WENT AND CHECKED THE PIPES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT CLOGGED.
THAT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, THAT PIPE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH LIN DRIVE IS DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR.
IT HAS TO BE REPLACED, UH, NO MATTER WHAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
THAT IS A PRIMARY BOTTLENECK FOR THE ENTIRE DRAINAGE AREA OVER THAT.
UH, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE SOLUTIONS WE ARE TAKING WILL IN LARGE MEASURES SOLVE THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M COMMITTED TO SOLVING THE PROBLEM AND, AND MOVE ON.
ANYBODY ELSE? JUST TO TAIL A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT TED SAID THERE, WHEN WE WERE AT THE END OF THE PAVE PORTION OF OLYMPIC, YES, THERE IS NO SIGN THAT THE WATER IS OVERTOP OLYMPIC AND CROSSING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY OVERTALKING GOING ON, IT MUST BE GOING ON IN THE PAPER STREET SECTION.
FROM PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH THAT RUN TO THE NORTH.
THERE WAS NOTHING OLYMPIC HAS, HAS A VERY STRONG GRADE.
THERE WAS NO SIGN THAT WATER FROM THE SOUTH DITCH IS ACTUALLY GOING ACROSS OLYMPIC AND THEN ACROSS, UM, THE END NEIGHBOR HAS A HOME AND THEN, UH, A MODE VACANT PORTION TO THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO SIGN THAT IT'S COMING THROUGH.
THAT, THAT PAPER STREET, UH, CAMMY, IS THAT ABOUT 320 FEET LONG, WOULD YOU SAY? OH, UH, TO LYNN OR YEAH, TO LYNN.
TO THE END, TO THE POINT WHERE LYNN BEGINS AND, AND THEN WHERE IT BEGINS ON OLYMPIC RUNNING.
I DON'T REMEMBER EAST, EAST OR WEST.
I THOUGHT WE WERE, I THOUGHT IT WAS LONGER THAN THAT.
DAN, WOULD YOU KNOW I'M DOING THE MATH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS 600, I THINK IS 600 FEET IS WHAT WE HAD MEASURED FROM THE END OF THE PAID SECTION.
ALRIGHT, SO 200 YARDS, RIGHT? SO THERE'D BE A, A LITTLE ROOM TO GO FROM AND WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THE NORTH SIDE DITCH GO ALL THE WAY TO OLYMPIC BECAUSE I DON'T THINK CROSSING THAT, UH, MODE AREA OF THE LAST NEIGHBOR IS, IS A VALUE.
IT NEEDS TO BEGIN IN THE BRUSH AREA AND THE UNDEVELOPED SORT OF PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA HAVE IT, SIR? YES SIR.
PLEASE COME ON FORWARD IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I HAPPEN TO LIVE RIGHT WHERE THE BRUSH PORTION STARTS.
EVERY MAJOR RAIN WE HAVE NOW, THIS LAST STORE WE HAD, IT ACTUALLY INFILTRATED MY DRAIN PIPES IN MY BASEMENT.
IT WAS COMING UP THE DEGREES IN THE, IN THE PIPES IN MY BASEMENT.
MY SUMP PUMP WAS RUN EVERY 12 SECONDS.
ALRIGHT? I HAVE A DECENT SIZE AND A GOOD SUMP OF THE BASEMENT.
THE PIPES COULDN'T EVEN HANDLE IT INSIDE THE BASEMENT.
SINCE I MOVED IN, I'VE PUT IN OVER 300 FEET OF DRAINAGE, 35 TONS OF STONE IN MY BACKYARD TO GET RID OF THIS WATER.
BUT WHEN THE STORM SEWERS IN THE STREET GET OVERCOME AND IT'S FLOWING OUT THE GRATES, GUESS WHAT? WATER'S GOT NO PLACE TO GO.
IT'S THE SAME WITH THE FIELD BEHIND ME.
ALL THAT OVERFLOWS COMES INTO THE FIELD BEHIND ME.
GUESS WHAT? WHERE DO YOU THINK IT GOES? GOES INTO MY BACKYARD, INFILTRATES INTO MY BASEMENT.
THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO ME WHO HAVE HAD A DRY BASEMENT ALL THESE YEARS, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE STORMS KEEP GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
GLOBAL WARMING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
THE STORMS KEEP GETTING WORSE AND THIS KEEPS GETTING WORSE.
THAT DITCH THAT'S ALREADY THERE, YEAH.
IT'LL HELP THE DITCH ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE TO DRAIN THAT FIELD AND EVERYTHING BEHIND ME WILL HELP EVEN MORE.
IT'S GETTING BAD AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
COME ON DOWN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT'S HELPED US OUT.
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TED, YOU, THE THING IS, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO JEFF, HIS HOUSE IS HIGHER.WHEN WE TRIED TO GET JOHN'S NEIGHBOR TO COME TO WHERE THAT, WHERE YOU HIS HOUSE ENDS, THAT THE WATER JUST BARRELS THROUGH AND SAID, JEFF, YOU CAN'T SAY THE WATER DOESN'T COME THERE 'CAUSE IT BLEW THEIR BASEMENT WINDOWS OUT.
AND WHERE I LIVE WHEN IT ROARS DOWN, MY HOUSE IS THERE.
AND I BROUGHT THEM PICTURES A WHILE AGO.
IT WAS LIKE THE NIAGARA RIVER RUNNING THERE.
AND THE SECONDARY DITCH WOULD REALLY HELP US OUT.
IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THERE WITH A GRAY, ASSUMING TO DIG THE DITCH OUT, YOU AIN'T GOTTA HAUL THE DIRT AWAY, DIG IT OUT AND SLAP IT OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA HAVE A SECONDARY DITCH.
NOW ONE GENTLEMAN COME AROUND, TWO DITCHES OF SCHOOLISH.
WELL, WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN MY HOME IN THE EIGHTIES, I HAD A DITCH.
THE GUY ACROSS SPEED HAD A DITCH.
SO THE SECOND DITCH WOULD HELP US.
AND I WANT, LIKE, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR EVEN LISTEN TO US.
OKAY, ANY OTHER, JUST FOR REFERENCE, JEFF IS THE OWNER OF THE LAST HOUSE ON OLYMPIC AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR WITH THE BASEMENT WINDOW ISSUE WOULD BE THE HOUSE BEHIND, UM, NOT DIRECTLY BEHIND JEFF'S HOUSE, BUT BEHIND HIS MOW SIDE HERE.
YEAH, HE'S UH, HE'S OVER ON THURSTON.
ARE YOU NEXT TO HIM ON THURSTON? ARE YOU THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? OH YEAH.
WELL, DAN BOZA ACROSS THE STREET, HE GETS WATER ACROSS AS WELL.
ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE US? UH, WELL, OKAY.
UH, MA'AM, YOU WERE FIRST THEN.
I BRING UP, THIS IS LIKE THE PRICE IS RIGHT.
UH, MY YARD GOES UP TO LYNN UHHUH.
UM, AND UH, WHEN IT RAINS, IT COMES DIRECTLY THROUGH MY BACKYARD ALL THE WAY UP TO MY GARAGE, RIGHT THROUGH MY GARAGE AND OUT THE DRIVEWAY.
SO AND SO THE CONCRETE PAD IN MY BACKYARD IS MOVED.
AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE AT THE END OF, UH, AT THE END OF LYNN ALSO WE ARE, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE PUTTING IN.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO? GONNA SWING AROUND AND COME RIGHT BACK INTO MY YARD AGAIN.
MY CHILDREN USED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN MY YARD.
MY YOUNGEST CAME TO OUT UNTIL JULY.
WELL, THE END OF LYNN, WE'RE GONNA BE REPAVING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE GOING TO PITCH THE END OF LIMB SUCH THAT THE WATER THAT DOES DEPOSIT, THERE'S GONNA GO TOWARDS THE TWO RECEIVERS.
YEAH, I STILL, IT, IT IS SO MUCH WATER THAT COMES THROUGH MY YARD, THROUGH MY GARAGE AND OUT MY DRIVEWAY THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE
DAN, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YES,
AND AGAIN, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR LISTENING TO US AND TAKING THE TIME TO GO WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
I'VE LIVED HERE 24 YEARS ON THE STREET AND LIKE WE SAID, THE LAST MEETING OF THE MEETING BEFORE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 30 YEARS OR SO.
IT JUST KEEPS GETTING PUT OFF AND PUT OFF AND PUT OFF.
AND NOW THE DITCHES THAT WERE THERE ARE ALL FILLED IN AND IT'S JUST FLAT LANDS NOW THE WATER JUST RUNS OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MY QUESTION, I GUESS IS MORE TO TED, HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT BE TO RUN THAT SECONDARY DITCH ALL THE WAY DOWN, ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF LIN? BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU PUT THE RECEIVERS IN, UNLESS YOU SWALLOW THOSE RECEIVERS PRETTY GOOD, THE WATER'S STILL GONNA RUN OVER LIN AND INTO MARIO'S BACKYARD, INTO DAN'S BACKYARD.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE WITH THE MANPOWER.
YOU'RE ALREADY THERE WITH THE EQUIPMENT.
WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT PUTTING IN THE SECOND DITCH? I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M, I'M RELYING ON THE EXPERTS WHO STAY.
YOU'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THE EXISTING DITCH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE EXISTENCE.
WE'RE ALREADY, WE ALSO HAVE AN OPINION THAT THE SECONDARY DITCH WOULD THAT BE HELP.
SO WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT? WHEN I MET WITH CAMMY THIS MORNING, SHE CONCURRED THAT ADDRESSING THE PRIMARY DITCH WAS THE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION.
WELL, THE, THE, IF THE PRIMARY DITCH GETS, UH, UH, OVER VOLUME AND THERE IS A NOW A SECONDARY CONTAINMENT DITCH, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT PRIMARY DITCH.
UM, AGAIN, I'M HERE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE WHAT IF THIS DOESN'T WORK? WHAT IF YOUR BIS AND YOUR RECEIVERS AT THE END OF LIN DRIVE WHERE ALL THE WATER RUSHES DOWN INTO TWO OF THOSE YARDS, WHICH ACTUALLY RUNS INTO ALL OF OUR GEAR BECAUSE I'M READY
THEN WHAT IF THAT DOESN'T CATCH IT? IF THAT SECONDARY DITCH WAS THERE AT THE END OF LIN, IT WOULD TAKE IT TO THE CRIP, WHATEVER THOSE DI'S DIDN'T CATCH.
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SO WHY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T, WHAT WHAT'S THE COST? I MEAN, WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S TIME AND IT'S TIME AND MATERIAL, BUT AGAIN, I'M RELYING ON WHAT THE ENGINEERING FOLKS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THAT JOB HAVE INDICATED IS THE PROPER COURSE OF ACTION.TAMMY, YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE SPOKE, SHE SAID THE SECONDARY DITCH WOULD HELP THE, THE, THE CLEANING OF THE PRO.
THE FIRST DITCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
WE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THAT WAS A NEEDED ACTIVITY.
UM, WE, UP UNTIL I MET WITH TED TODAY, I HAD NO IDEA THAT LYNN WAS CAUSING ISSUES WITH THIS EXISTING PIPE.
I THERE WAS NO ENGINEERING STUDY DONE FOR THE AREA.
SO I CANNOT TELL YOU IF THE 24 INCH CAPACITY PIPE IS WHAT YOU NEED ACROSS LIN BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE, WE, WE DIDN'T DO A DRAINAGE STUDY OF THE AREA AND THE GOAL OF TRYING TO MOVE THIS QUICKLY ALONG.
SO I'M TRYING TO PUT THE BEST COMBINATION OF ITEMS BEFORE SO THAT WE CAN SOLVE THE ISSUE AND NOT WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT STORM EVENT AND POSSIBLY HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES AT THAT POINT.
I I, I ACCREDITED TED WITH THIS.
THIS IS A POSITIVE PROJECT AND WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT THE ENGINEERING'S POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO ADD THESE, THIS SECONDARY DISH TO ADD THAT CAPACITY AND SHOULD THE WATER BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTIES AND COMING ACROSS THAT DITCH RIGHT, THERE'S STILL A LIMIT TO WHAT WILL GET DOWNSTREAM TO THE PORTION THAT TED IS WORKING ON.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT RISK THAT IF THAT WATER REALLY IS FLOWING IN THAT DIRECTION, IT, IT WILL CONTINUE TO OVERTOP THE SOUTH DITCH AND GO INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROCESS.
NOW MAYBE THE DOWN BOARD MEMBER GO AHEAD DAN, TAMMY ON THAT.
UM, WITH WHAT TED SAID ON PUTTING THE DI AND RECEIVERS AT THE END OF THE LEG, YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN IF THAT GOES BY THAT SECONDARY DITCH WORK WAS LOCATED WOULD CATCH THAT WATER THERE, THERE IS A, THE TWO CATCH PRESS ON THE END, END OF LIN DRIVE ONE IS IN A TERRIBLE LOCATION.
RIGHT? I DON'T EVEN KNOW RIGHT.
IF WATER IS GETTING INTO THAT, SO THERE IS A CLEAR OPPORTUNITY FOR WATER TO FLOW DOWN THE END OF WIND AND, AND LEAVE THE, THE ROAD GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, RIGHT? THEY, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PAVING AND ARRANGEMENTS TO BE SURE THAT WATER RUNS OFF THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER COMES DOWN WHEN, IF IT COMES FAST ENOUGH IN A LARGE ENOUGH VOLUME, IT COULD STILL OVERTOP BECAUSE CATCH BASINS HAVE A LIMITED CAPACITY TO RUN, GONNA RUN IN AGAIN.
I SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS HAVING A CATCH BASIN IN A SPOT THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE GOOD WELL CORRECT.
I DO TOO, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT PITCHING THE TURNAROUND OR THE PLOW TURNAROUND I GUESS IS WHAT THAT AREA IS TOWARDS LYNN.
SO THAT WATER'S NOT CURRENTLY JUST RUNNING OFF THERE.
I DON'T HAVE GRADES IN THAT AREA.
UH, IT IS WHY OUR DITCH WENT ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE OF LYNN ON THAT FAR SIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE STATEMENT, CAPTURE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT CAME UP FROM THE SOUTH.
IT IS STILL PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, HOW ABOUT TOWN BOARD MEMBERS? YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THERE? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS, THERE'S A DEBATE ON THE SOLUTION HERE AND I KNOW THAT TED MENTIONED THAT HE'S CONSULTED WITH EXPERTS.
I KNOW THE TOWN RELIES ON OUR EXPERT IN CAMI FOR YOUR CONSULTING SERVICES FOR ENGINEERING.
IT SEEMS THAT THE RESIDENTS AGREE THAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS A SECOND DITCH ALSO, UM, THE RESIDENTS SPEND THE MOST TIME THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN A HUGE BURDEN ON YOUR LIVING.
UM, I NOTICED DAN'S GOT A A BINDER I'VE SEEN ALL OF YOU MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR AND YOU'VE DEVOTED A LOT OF TIME AND TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER AND GET THIS DONE.
AND IF WE CAN JUST COLLABORATE, IT SEEMS RESIDENTS ARE SAYING THE SECOND DITCH, OUR EXPERT IS SAYING THE SECOND DITCH.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO'S GONNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FITS IN WITH HIGHWAY OR IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THIS.
UM, BUT TIME SEEMS TO BE OF THE ESSENCE THAT THESE, THESE FOLKS PROBABLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO ATTEND EVERY UPCOMING MEETING.
WELL, AND, AND, AND WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, UH, COMPREHENSIVELY BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST IS THE WEATHER CHANGES, IT GETS COLDER AND THE RAIN SEASON IS UPON US AND WE'RE INTO THE WINTER.
UH, IF IT'S A ROUGH WINTER, UH, AND, AND A AND A WET SPRING WILL BE ANOTHER YEAR OF MONKEYING AROUND WITH THIS, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
JIM, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM, YOU REACHED OUT TO THE HAM SCHOOL DISTRICT? HAVE YOU HEARD FROM NO, I HAVEN'T.
I HAVEN'T HEARD A THING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THE ARGUMENT MADE IS, IS THAT WITH THE HAM, UH, NEW FIRE HALL AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGRADING AND, AND DOING NEW STORM DRAINAGE, THAT THE BIG SLOPE, WHICH COMES FROM THE
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SOUTHEAST TO THE NORTHWEST RUNNING ACROSS THE PAPER STREET, EVIDENTLY THE WATER IS SHOOTING OUT OF THERE MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN IT DID IN YEARS PAST, WHICH ONLY COMPOUNDS THE PROBLEM.SO I'M TOLD I NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, I AM AT THE FOGGIEST IDEA.
CAN I
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE WIND HIGH SCHOOL.
SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF WATER RUNNING DOWNHILL.
IAN IN THAT OLYMPIC AVENUE HAVE THEY THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING IN, UH, MITIGATING WATER RETENTION STORM WATER.
YOU DON'T GET THE SHEET RUN OFF, SO IT OVERS THE PIPE YOU WOULD FILL.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT QUESTION MARK, BECAUSE THAT'S ORCHARD PARK.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A SCHOOL DISTRICT, DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY.
SO WHETHER THEY'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO CONSIDER, UH, A STUDY, AN ENGINEERING STUDY, AND THEN, UH, IMPLEMENTING A PROPOSAL THAT THEIR ENGINEER MAY MAKE TO OUR BENEFIT IS AN OPEN QUESTION THAT MAY TAKE YEARS TO GET RESOLVED.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT SUPPOSED TO THE WATER, THE LOWER LAND, WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT MAY TAKE YEARS TO GET IT RESOLVED, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE FELT THAT WE COULDN'T PUT THE THURSTON AVENUE PEOPLE TO TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS OF THIS ING.
WELL, JIM, I, I DO WANT TO REVISIT THEM WITH CAM GARY, WE CAN DO ANOTHER SITE VISIT TOMORROW, UH, ON UNDERSTANDING BETTER, UH, YOUR POSITION THAN A SECOND DITCH.
UH, BECAUSE AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PRIMARY DITCH, BUILDING IT UP, INCREASING CAPACITY, YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU'VE NOT RUN THE NUMBERS.
WE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A ACREAGE OF THAT IN 25 ACRES.
UH, CAN YOU RUN THE CALCULATION? UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING SMART STRATEGIC WORK IN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT ADVERSE TO A SECOND DITCH.
WHAT I'M ADVERSE TO IS WASTED EFFORT AND RESOURCES.
SO IF THERE ARE CALCULATIONS TO BE DONE TO, TO ONLY SUBSTANTIATE THE SECOND DITCH, THEN WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
IT, THE INITIAL CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT TH WAS WHETHER OR NOT A DRAINAGE STUDY, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT TED IS TALKING ABOUT, LOOKING AT THE AREA AS A WHOLE AND DETERMINING WHAT WATER IS COMING FROM, WHAT DIFFERENT TYPES OF AREAS, UH, PRO DEVELOPED PROPERTIES, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, AND SO ON, TO COLLECT AND EVENTUALLY WORK HIS WAY TO THIS CREEK.
UM, THE UNDERSTANDING AFTER HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WAS THAT THURSTON NEEDED MORE IMMEDIATE ACTION, AND THE TOWN OWNS A PAPER STREET THAT HAS THE SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT WAS THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION.
I, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO A DRAINAGE STUDY AND DO A DEEPER SEARCH INTO WHAT IS CAUSING ALL THE ISSUES.
BUT THAT WILL TAKE TIME AND THAT WILL TAKE MONEY.
WELL, AND WHAT HAPPENS THEN? AND AGAIN? YEAH, I, I'M JUST SPEAKING NOW FROM PRAC PRACTICAL STANDPOINT.
IF WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND BID A DRAINAGE STUDY, RAW SPECIFICATIONS, YOU DRAW FIRMS BID, THE ENGINEERING FIRMS BID ON THE STUDY, THAT'S A 30 DAY PROCESS.
BY THE TIME WE GET THE STUDY UNDERTAKEN, WE'RE IN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE AROUND LABOR DAY.
THE STUDY'S GONNA BE SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE'RE INTO THE SPRING, WE'RE INTO THE SUMMER, AND WE'RE BACK HERE WITH A STUDY THAT MAY COST US 70 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE CRISIS SITUATION THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOW EXPERIENCING.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN, JIM, TO, TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON A STUDY.
AND WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
TAMMY, I'M HAPPY TO GO OUT WITH YOU AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING TO TAKE A LOOK AGAIN.
EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE PROPOSING IN ANOTHER DITCH.
I THINK IT'S HAPPY TO DO THAT.
IT, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO YOUR, YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO CAPTURE THAT DRAINAGE PATHWAY THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE NEIGHBORS ON LIT.
YOU, YOU PROPOSED TO GO THAT FAR WITH YOUR BERM AND, AND, AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEANING THE REST OF THE DITCH.
BUT INITIALLY WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PORTION OF THE DITCH THAT WAS COLLECTING THAT SCHOOL WATER.
THE CONCERN BECOMES IF THERE'S ANYTHING BETWEEN THAT SCHOOL PATHWAY AND THE END OF THE OLYMPIC THAT IS COMING IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND THE NEIGHBORS POINTED OUT SOME OF THESE, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU CALL THEM, BUT, BUT SECTIONS THAT YOU COULD KIND OF SEE WHERE RUNOFF HAS, HAS WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH DEER TRAILS AND SUCH THAT WE'RE ALLOWING WATER TO COME DOWN FROM THE, THE MM-HMM
TO COME FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTIES UPWARDS.
AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS IF THAT WATER REALLY IS GOING TO THE SOUTH DITCH AND THEN OVERTALKING THAT SOUTH DITCH BANK MM-HMM
THAT'S WHERE A, A NORTH DITCH WOULD COLLECT THAT RUN.
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UH, HOLD ON TED.ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
YOU ALREADY SEEN ALL THESE PICTURES.
AND AT THE ONE MEETING MIKE ASKED ME, WAS THE CREEK UP OVERFLOWING? NO, IT WAS, THE FOOT DOWN THING IS, WE'RE ALL GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WHERE MARGARET'S HOUSE IS, I'LL MEET WITH YOU, DAN WILL BE THERE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU.
IT JUST COMES BARRELING DOWN INTO HER YARD AND OFF THE OLYMPIC.
WE GOTTA, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT THIS IS OUR PROBLEM.
AND TED, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
CAN TOMORROW MORNING, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? HOLD ON.
WE GOTTA CONSIDER WHETHER WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS.
UH, IF I COULD COMMENT ON THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW THE PAPER STREET, THERE'S, THERE'S NO STREET THERE.
IT WAS MEANT TO HAVE A DITCH THERE.
SO YOU'RE DRAINAGE ON WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF THE STREET, BUT, UH, SOUTH SIDE, IT'S THE THURSTON SIDE OF OLYMPIC.
THAT WATER COMES IN, THEN WHERE'S IT GONNA GO? IT GOES RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE EITHER THE DITCH GOING ACROSS THAT BACK PART, OR WHAT I SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS IS YOU HAVE TO CREATE A DITCH TO CONNECT THAT TO THE OTHER DITCH.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ON THE END OF OLYMPICS, THE ONE GUY, JEFF DOESN'T GET IT, BUT I SAID, JEFF, THIS IS YOUR BACKYARD LOSE WINDOWS UP.
HE GOES IN JOHN'S BACKYARD AND IT COMES DOWN TO WHERE MY HOME IS.
RIGHT? IT WAS OVER MY ANKLES AND THE PICTURES OUT IN THE ROAD, THAT WATER'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE THAT'S DEEP IN MY BACKYARD.
IT'S MEANT TO HAVE A DITCH THERE.
THERE USED TO BE A DITCH THERE, THERE'S A DEPRESSION THERE WHERE THE DITCH WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ABANDONED.
AND, YOU KNOW, LET JUST SHARE REAL QUICK.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE EXISTING PIPE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THAT YOU CAN TELL.
THAT'S, AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THAT SAME PIPE, UH, THURSDAY NIGHT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DEBRIS THAT IS COLLECTED.
IT'S NOT BEEN OVERCOME, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HERE PASS MM-HMM
UM, I'M HERE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND I'LL WORK WITH TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO, DAN, YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT DIVER EITHER CONNECTED OR YOU DO THE WHOLE DITCH.
IF YOU PUT THAT IN, YOU HAVE TO BURN THAT UP HIGH ENOUGH, BECAUSE IF IT RUNS AND WE GET TOO MUCH WATER, WELL WHAT'S IT GONNA DO? THAT'S JUST GONNA CREATE A BATHROOM OR WATER TO COME TOWARDS IT EVEN MORE.
SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO BURN THAT UP ALMOST.
YOU HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THAT OTHER SIDE.
NOW, UH, WHO HAVEN'T WE NOT HEARD FROM? ARE WE TALKING? KAREN SPOKE, UH, BETH, UH, MICHAEL HAS SPOKEN, UH, TO SOME EXTENT.
SEAN, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? SURE.
UM, FIRST OFF, THANKS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AWESOME.
YOU'RE REALLY DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, YOU'RE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK.
YOU'VE BROUGHT IN, UH, NUMEROUS, UH, PICTURES AND, UH, TESTIMONY AS TO THE PROBLEM.
UH, CAMMY AND TED, THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE HOPING, WHICH IS COLLABORATING, WORKING TOGETHER, TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT CAN BE COST EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN SITUATION.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I GUESS I HAVE AT THIS POINT IS, TED, YOU'RE REFERRING TO EXPERTS OUTSIDE OF CAMI AND OUR ENGINEERING.
WHO ELSE ARE WE ARE, ARE YOU RELYING ON ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE AS FAR AS WHEN YOU SAY EXPERTS? YEAH.
THAT WAS IN THE, UH, THE LETTER I WROTE AND PROVIDED YOU GUYS ON FRIDAY.
SO WHO ARE THEY? DID YOU SEE IT OR? YEAH, WE DID.
SO WHO ARE THE EXPERTS? UH, SAM
JIM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HE'S AN OLD BUDDY.
MY, UH, TWO FOREMAN AS WELL AS, UM, TOM KY, WHO'S DONE A FAIR AMOUNT AWARD FOR THE TIME.
AS WELL AS MIKE QUINN, WHO I SPOKE WITH, UH, LAST WEEK REGARDING THE SUBJECT.
MIKE QUINN DID NOT RECOMMEND A TENTION.
MIKE WAS THE GUY THAT SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE NO PROBLEM WHEN I DID THE PROJECT AT THE SCHOOL.
I I JUST WANT TO TIME SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT LET'S, LET'S GIVE SEAN CONLEY BEFORE HE'S GOT IT.
I'VE SPENT FIVE TO SEVEN HOURS OVER AT ONSITE, INCLUDING TWO HOURS TODAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
UH, I'M NOT ADVERSE TO A SECONDARY.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE STRATEGIC AND SMART TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING WE DO IS GOING TO SOLVE
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THE PROBLEM AND BE VALUE ADDED.I JUST, THOSE I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT OF AS, AS WE COLLABORATE, WHO ARE WE COLLABORATING WITH? WHO ARE WE GETTING INPUT FROM? UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE HAVE A, A BIG PICTURE IN, IN TERMS OF THAT, IN TERMS OF THE RESOLUTION, I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
WE SHOULD PASS IT IN TERMS OF THE RESOLUTION BASICALLY JUST GIVES US, UM, A TIME, A TIMELINE, A DEADLINE.
UM, I THINK WE, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO COLLABORATE AND I THINK THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAY CAN, CAN HELP OUT AND YOU'RE MORE THAN WILLING, WHICH AGAIN, WE REALLY APPRECIATE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD AMEND THIS TO HAVE IT INSTEAD OF TWO WEEKS.
THE LAST RESOLUTION, WELL, THE, THE LAST RESOLVE FROM TWO WEEKS TO FOUR WEEKS.
THAT WAY IT GIVES YOU THE FULL TIME THAT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE A, A GOOD DECISION.
UM, AND IF, AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A RESOLUTION THAT THE TOWN CAN DO THAT STILL GIVES US THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY, UM, AFTER AUGUST 1ST TO PROCEED FORWARD.
UH, IF WE HAD TO GET SOME OUTSIDE, UH, CONTRACTS, AND IT MIGHT BE A COLLABORATION WHERE THE TOWN CAN DO SO MUCH WORK, BUT MAYBE WE CAN'T DO ALL THE WORK.
UM, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE RESOLUTION, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING, IF WE PUT A DEADLINE, WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET IT DONE AND TO KIND OF KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.
UM, BUT FAIRNESS TO, TO, TO HAVING THE PROCESS BE DONE IN A, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENT, COST EFFECTIVE MANNER.
I DO THINK IF WE KEEP IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE, UM, IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT AND WE DON'T WANNA RUSH, UH, A DECISION.
UM, AND ALL THAT WOULD REALLY ESSENTIALLY DO IS POTENTIALLY, UM, NOT HAVE THE DECISION MADE IN, UH, TWO WEEKS.
IT WOULD GIVE, IT'S STILL, WE'D STILL KEEP THE AUGUST 1ST DEADLINE, BUT AS FAR AS THEM ACTUALLY GETTING A CONTRACTOR, INSTEAD OF IT BEING TWO WEEKS AND BE FOUR WEEKS OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN, HOLD ON.
UM, JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, SEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN CONSENSUS ON WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD CALL THAT FIRST PHASE.
SO THERE'S ALREADY AGREEMENT THERE, SO WE PROBABLY DON'T REALLY NEED TO DELAY THAT AT ALL.
IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT SECOND PART, BECAUSE I'D HATE TO SEE YOU, YOU KNOW, US GIVING A LITTLE MORE TIME, WHICH IS REALLY OUTTA THE CONSIDERATION FOR THAT SECOND PIECE AND, AND HOLDING UP, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE THE CONSENSUS ON THAT PART.
WE COULD GET STARTED ON THAT RIGHT AWAY.
AND THAT TWO WEEKS DATA IS FOR THE DESIGN WORK.
THAT'S NOT THAT START OF WORK.
SO I THINK THAT WITH THE TWO WEEKS IS PROBABLY REASONABLE THAT, I GUESS, I GUESS YOU, IS THAT REASONABLE? NOT FOR THE DESIGN, ONCE THERE'S THE CONSENSUS.
UH, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH COMMENTS? NO, AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID THAT IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE PROVIDED.
DEFINITELY WE CAN, UM, UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH.
I THANK CAMMY AND TED FOR COMING TO THE TABLE AND, AND WORKING TO A SOLUTION THAT CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM ONCE IN FALL FOR ALL FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
ANY OTHER THURSTON FOLKS WHO WANNA SAY THING? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL JUST GIVE MY 2 CENTS AND, AND SAY THIS TO YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO POSTPONE A RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
I THINK THE PEOPLE ON THURSTON, UH, HAVE EARNED OUR COMPETENCE AND THEY DESERVE OUR SUPPORT, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE DECADES PAST DUE.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD.
I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO KEEP THE TIMELINES AS THEY ARE, MOVE FORWARD ON THE THEORY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN OUT THE SOUTH DITCH AND THEN PRESUMABLY BUILD A DITCH ON THE NORTH END WITH A BIRD.
IF HOWEVER, CAMMY GILL COMES BACK TO US TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND SAYS, MR. SHAW TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, IT ISN'T REALLY NECESSARY.
I'VE TALKED TO, UH, NOT ONLY TED CASEY, BUT UH, TO OTHER EXPERTS, TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE CAN AMEND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT TO THEN JUST DO THE ONE DITCH.
I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN COST SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY.
AND TIME WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSS THIS UP IF WE'RE GOING TO ERR IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN ERROR.
I'D RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION THAN ERR ON THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING TOO LITTLE TO ADDRESS THIS LONGSTANDING PROBLEM.
SO I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION AS IT IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL PUT IT AGAIN ON FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION FOR POSSIBLE AMENDMENT IN TWO WEEKS.
IN THE EVENT THAT CAMMY TED NEIGHBORS OR ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WANNA
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WEIGH IN CAN PERSUADE US THAT THE NORTH DITCH IS NOT A NECESSARY THING TO DO.SECOND, SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
NOW, KATHY, WE HAVE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL RESOLUTION OF LAKE BLOOMBERG.
THIS COMES TO US FROM THE LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY AT THE LAST REGULAR COMPANY MEETING OF THE LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, INC.
THE FOLLOWING APPLICANTS WILL APPROVE FOR ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP IS TO CALL OUR R SMITH FIFTY FIVE FIFTY GREEN MEADOW COURT, HAMMER, NEW YORK, JEFFREY SCOTT KORRA, 48 19 LAKE SHORE ROAD, HAMMER, NEW YORK ON JOHN BOARD APPROVAL.
THESE GENTLEMEN WILL BE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UH, KATHY, WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, FINANCE REPORT.
THIS IS THE, UH, RECEIPT AND FILING OF THE TO BOARD AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS FOR JULY 20TH, 2020.
UH, TOTAL OPERATING FUND DISBURSEMENTS ARE $564,612 64 CENTS.
THE TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THE AUDIT, $1,285,664 AND 57 CENTS.
WE WOULD MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND IS KAREN, UH, THE QUESTION.
NOW WE TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS.
ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY DISCUSSED? UH, LET'S START WITH CHRIS HALL.
ANYTHING CHRIS? WE HAD THE, UH, ARCHITECT FOR THE A DA PROJECT AT THE BEACH.
COME BY AND LOOK AT THE, THE TWO SITES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ADDITIONAL WORK WITH RYAN'S MONEY.
SO WE STARTED THAT PROCESS TODAY.
UH, MR. STANFORD AND ASSESSING HANG GOING ON, UH, JUST, UM, WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND WE'RE WORKING WITH ORCHARD PARK FOR A, UH, GRANT TO LOOK INTO A, UH, DATA COLLECTION SLASH VAL.
UH, AND THE MONEY SUPPOSEDLY IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE AS SOON AS THE STATE OPENS UP.
WE, I I, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BOARD.
WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT, BUT I'VE DONE SOME OF MY OWN RESEARCH.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GET YOUR ADVICE.
THE COST OF A REVAL TOWN WIDE FOR US COULD, BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN TOLD TO ME IS SOMETHING IN THE RANGE OF THREE TO 400 K.
I DON'T, GIVEN THIS PANDEMIC AND THIS BUDGET YEAR, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN ENTERTAIN.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO SPIN YOUR WHEELS AND WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON IT, BUT, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT'S MY THINKING.
UH, TOM MARDO AND KENNY, WHAT DO YOU THINK HERE? KIDS, YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH TO SAY? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE BUT THOMAS.
UH, HOW ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR? WHAT DO YOU THINK? ANYTHING? NOPE, NOTHING TO REPORT.
WHO ELSE IS THERE? TED, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
UH, WHAT ABOUT, UH, OUR POLICE CHIEF? IS HE HERE REMOTELY? UM, UH, UH, CAPTAIN EZ IS HERE FOR, HEY.
HOW ARE YOU? I REALLY HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT I'M MULTI FOR DRY WEATHER AND I WISH THE THIRD STREET RESIDENTS THE BEST OF LUCK.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING REMOTELY FROM OUR BOARD, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS TUNING IN? DOES ANYBODY AT HOME HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? OKAY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE FLOOR? ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, MR.
UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE AREA OF THE SMITH ROAD WITH THE STORM WATER THAT IS COMING THROUGH THE OLD DITCH.
WE'VE BATTLING THIS SINCE 1994.
I HAD TO TEACH HIM A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE AT FIRST HE WAS TELLING US THAT THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE WEST OF THE UH, SMITH ROAD WAS NOT HIS PROBLEM.
WELL, I HAD TO SHOW HIM SOME PAPERWORK TO BRING HIM UP TO PAR THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AS A PROBLEM.
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IS THAT TAMMY VISITED WITH YOURSELF AND AT THE END OF SMITH ROAD WE HAVE A 60 FOOT CLIFF.WE HAVE A DUMP FALL PIPE THAT'S ABOUT THREE FEET IN DIAMETER AND THERE'S BARELY ANY WATER COMING OUT.
IN THE MEANTIME, SINCE I OWNED THE PROPERTY IN 87, THEY PROBABLY PUT 40 OR 50 HOMES UP IN THE AREA.
ENGINEERING TOOK ALL THE HOUSES DOWN LAKEVIEW ROAD AND DUMPED THE WATER INTO THAT VILLAGE DITCH INSIDE OF THE 18 MILE CREEK ON THE FAR SIDE OF SMITH ROAD.
RUNNING UNDER GOES THE DITCH GOES UNDERNEATH LAKEVIEW ROAD AND THEN THE MCCULL PROPERTY WHERE THE OLD VILLAGE, UH, SANITARY SOURCE SYSTEM WAS.
IT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF, TWO MILES LONG.
IT'S FULL OF CATTAILS, FULL OF BLOCKAGES.
MR. CASEY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY.
WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION YEARS AGO TO POSSIBLY GET A GR TO PUT A FOUR TO FIVE FOOT CULVERT PIPE DOWN ALONGSIDE THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE OVER.
I REMEMBER DOING THE WALK AROUND SO THAT IT WOULD END THAT WEST DITCH OF THE MAINTAINING IT BECAUSE THE LAST TIME MR. BEST, I'VE WORKED WITH SEAN'S DAD, PAST MR. SMITH ABOUT ALL THE DRAINAGE WHEN WE HAD DONE ON THE PROBLEM.
WE'RE WORKING IT, WE'RE GETTING IT.
BUT WE NEED A DEDICATED SOURCE OF OUTLET SO THAT THIS WATER THAT CONTINUES TO COME DOWN HERE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN THE WATER GETS HIGH, IT HYDRAULICS ALL THE PIPES FOR THE BUS TO DRAIN TO, AND IT BACKS EVERYTHING UP IN EVERYBODY'S YARD.
AND WE'RE SICK AND TIRED OF THE MOSQUITOES.
YOU CAN'T MOW YOUR LAWNS, YOU CAN'T GO WALKING ALONG 'CAUSE CAMMY AND YOURSELF WERE WALKING.
YOU SEE HOW SQUISHY IT WAS MM-HMM
BECAUSE THE WATER'S GOT NOWHERE TO GO UNTIL THAT WATER RECEDE IN THE TOWN.
SO OUR LONG TERM SOLUTION WAS TO PUT THAT PIPE IN THERE, COVER IT, AND LEAVE THAT DITCH GO AS IT IS FOR A EMERGENCY.
SO IF IT GOT A CASH CATASTROPHIC FLOW WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED OFF, IT WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THERE.
AND IT WOULD SAVE TED IN THE TOWN TONS OF MONEY OF MAINTAINING, BECAUSE I THINK LAST TIME TOM BEST CLEANED IT OUT, IT COST US OVER $600,000 AND I THINK CAM SAID IT WAS 950, 900 $50,000 TO PIPE IT DOWN TO 18 MILE CREEK.
THAT'S WHAT YOUR, HER, HER, HER, HER PROJECT PROPOSAL AT A COST OF ABOUT NINE 60 OR 70.
AND IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET, UH, POSSIBLY A GRANT THROUGH SOIL CONSERVATION, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S FARM DISTRICT AND I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE DEC AND DEC IS THE BIGGEST PART BECAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CATEGORY THROUGH TR TREE AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT A DRUG STREAM AND THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THE PERMISSION IF WE DO THIS PROPERLY, IS THAT WE'RE JUST BASICALLY GOING TO MAKE THAT WATER DRAIN AT A HIGHER, YOU KNOW, A BETTER PERFORMANCE RATE THAN WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE NOT DRAINING ANY WETLANDS.
AND THEY WOULD GIVE US OUR BLESSING ON DOING IT.
AND I WOULD HOPE THE BOARD WOULD, UH, BACK US UP AND POSSIBLY GETTING MARK TO FILE FOR A GRANT ALONG WITH, WITH TED, BECAUSE TED HAS SORT OF BEEN RELUCTANT TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO TELL 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET DIGS CLEANED OUT.
WE JUST CAN'T MOVE CAPS AROUND.
WELL, UH, YOU READ, YOU READ UH, CAMMIE GERALD'S PROPOSAL, THE GT PROPOSAL.
WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? WE THINK IT'S GREAT, RIGHT? ABOUT PUTTING THE PIPE DOWN ALONGSIDE.
SO YOU GUYS ARE IN SYNC WITH THAT.
LET ME ASK YOU A SECOND QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, UH, YEARS AGO YOU LOOKED AT A, AT A GRANT POSSIBILITY.
UH, AND YOU SAY THERE MAY BE ONE THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE DEC.
DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION, UH, ON ANYTHING SPECIFIC REGARDING GRANTS? WELL, IT'S JUST BEEN SO LONG.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVISIT ALL THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR AS FAR AS GETTING GRANTS.
WE MAY HAVE TO, WELL, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE YOU NETWORK WITH OUR GRANT WRITING, UH, MARK BESKI TO TALK ABOUT WHAT GRANTS ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE HERE'S, AS YOU KNOW, UH, MARK, HERE'S A PROBLEM IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, BUDGET YEAR, UH, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT WE CAN SPEND AND WHAT WE CAN BOND FOR NOW WE'RE BONDING THE LED LIGHTING PROJECT.
UH, AND DUE THE SAVINGS RESULTING FROM THE REDUCED COST OF ELECTRICITY, WE CAN AFFORD TO GO OUT AND BOND A LITTLE MORE TO TAKE CARE OF LONGSTANDING PROJECTS.
SO WE'VE GOTTA CONSIDER WHETHER SMITH ROAD FITS INTO THAT OR WHETHER WE CAN SECURE A GRANT.
SO I'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO MARK BEKI, DO YOU MIND NETWORKING WITH HIM? OH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT LIKE, LIKE TED SAID, FOR MARK TO MOVE FORWARD, GRANT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ON PAPER SO THAT MARK YEAH.
IS TAMMY'S PROPOSAL A SUFFICIENT ENOUGH PROJECT DESCRIPTION TO ALLOW HIM TO MOVE FORWARD? YOU THINK SO? YEAH, I THINK SO.
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UH, I THINK THERE ARE DRAINAGE GRANTS OUT THERE.I'M, I'M NOT A GRANT WRITER, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME IN THE PAST AND, AND THERE'S ALWAYS, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE TOO BAD TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT IF MARK NEEDED TO, TO, TO, TO UH, FILL OUT SOME GRANTS, UH, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR.
ALRIGHT, WELL WHY DON'T, CAMMY I'LL, I'LL TALK WITH YOU THIS WEEK AND MARK, I'LL TALK WITH YOU.
I'LL HAVE YOU NETWORK WITH MARK LESKI WILL GET HIM CAMMY'S PROPOSAL AND LET'S SEE IF HE CAN COME UP WITH SOME GRANT IDEAS TO HELP US WITH IT.
AND ON CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. CASEY BECAUSE HIS BOYS DID A GREAT JOB ON OUR STREET.
THEY DID, UH, ALMOST 600 FOOT OF DRAINAGE, UH, WITHIN A WEEK.
AND, UH, HE'S GOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE.
I THINK HE JUST NEEDS TO TAP INTO THEM PROPERLY BECAUSE I TELL YOU WHAT, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE THERE AT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT THAT I WAS TOLD PRIOR THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH PITCH TO RUN THE PIPES.
WELL, ALL THE PIPES WERE PUT IN WRONG AND THEY ACTUALLY FOUND 34, 34 AND A HALF INCHES OF DROP IN MY PROPERTY OR BEFORE THEY SAID THERE WAS NOTHING TO DO.
ANYTHING ELSE FOLKS? JIM? YES, SIR.
I, I WOULD, AGAINST THE BOARD, BETHANY POTTER DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD RELATIVE TO THE PAVING PLAN THAT I, UH, YEAH.
WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A COMMITTEE THAT IS LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR HOW MUCH WE CAN BOND, YOU KNOW, OVER AND ABOVE THE LED PROJECT AND WHAT PROJECTS WE CAN BOND FOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU OUT, UH, OUR INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIRD, WELL, PROBABLY FRIDAY.
SO YOU'LL GET 'EM TO BOARD WILL GET 'EM.
THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATES.
ANYTHING ELSE? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.