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UH, WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONVENE THE WORK SESSION OF THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BOARD FOR TODAY, AUGUST THE 31ST, 2020.IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND, MS. HOKE? UH, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE'LL TURN OVER OUR DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION TO OUR JOINT ACCOUNTANTS, DRESCHER AND MKI FOR THEIR ANALYSIS.
I'M THE PARTNER, UH, THAT WORKS WITH SAM FROM DRES MKI.
AND WITH ME, I HAVE MY MANAGER, UH, ERIC HANLEY, AND ALSO A CONSULTANT PARTNER, TOM ECKY, WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH A FEW AREA TOWNS AS WELL.
PURPOSE OF OUR BEING HERE TODAY IS JUST TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE MONTHLY BUDGET MONITORING REPORT, THE DASHBOARD THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU, AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH THE, THE PREVIOUS COUPLE OF VERSIONS.
UM, WE FOCUS MAINLY THIS YEAR ON A LOT OF THE REVENUES.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT ABOUT, UH, MOST OF THE IMPACTS OF THE 2020 COVID CRISIS IS IMPACTING THOSE REVENUES.
AND A LOT OF OUR EXPENDITURES TIED UP WITH, UH, POLICE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND TRANSPORTATION ARE, ARE PRETTY UNMOVABLE AND THAT THEY WERE A, A ADOPTED WITH THE 2020 BUDGET.
UM, SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH YOUR, UH, ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, WE, WE DID PRESENT THREE DIFFERENT PAGES IN, IN, IN THE PICTORIAL FUNCTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST PAGE IS WHAT WILL BE KIND OF THE MAIN FOCUS OF, OF MY CONVERSATION AND TO, AND TOM'S ANALYSIS HERE.
UM, AND THAT SUMMARIZES YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOUR HIGHWAY FUND, AND THEN YOUR TOWN OUTSIDE BILL FUND.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT TAX BASES.
WE ALSO GAVE THE SUPPORT SCHEDULE OF THE IMPACTS ON INDIVIDUAL TAX BASES BECAUSE MOST OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE COVID 2020 CRISIS ARE FOCUSED AROUND SALES TAX.
THOSE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OUTSIDE VILLAGE THAT ARE PAYING TAXES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE B FUND AND THE DB FUND, UH, ARE LIKELY TO BE MOST IMPACTED AS WE SEE WHEN WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
UH, SO JUST TO START OFF RIGHT OFF THE, AT THE TOP, I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN RATHER THAN GO IN ORDER TO THE BIGGEST LINE THAT SHIFTS TO THE RIGHT.
UH, SO OB OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, YOU KNOW ANYTHING TO, EXCUSE ME, TO THE LEFT.
ANYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THIS LINE IS A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
ANYTHING TO THE RIGHT OF THE LINE IS A POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYER.
WE TRIED TO JUST SIMPLIFY AND AGGREGATE ALL OF THE IMPACTS TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME HIDDEN PERKS AND UN UN UNSEEN, UM, BUDGETARY PERKS, I SHOULD SAY TO, TO, UM, CLOSING DOWN IN THAT THERE WAS SOME LACK OF EXPENDITURES IN THAT, IN THAT TIMEFRAME THAT THE QUARANTINE WAS OCCURRING.
UH, BUT THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS SALES TAX.
SALES TAX NUMBERS HAVE DRIFTED ALL OVER THE PLACE FROM MARCH UNTIL TODAY.
UH, WE, WE HEARD EARLY ESTIMATES OF EXPECT 30% OF DECLINES IN SALES TAX.
IN FACT, THE FIRST COUPLE OF, UH, PAYMENTS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE QUARANTINE, UH, THAT WERE RELATED TO MARCH AND APRIL SHOWED A PRETTY DRAMATIC EFFECT.
BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IMPACT WAS IN NEW YORK CITY AND THE STATE JUST SET SMOOTHED THE CURVE.
AND THEN NOW IN THE MORE RECENT ONES IN MAY AND JUNE, DISTRI DISTRIBUTIONS, WE SAW AN ADJUSTMENT TO THOSE SALES TAX FIGURES AND THEY ACTUALLY PINNED THE ACTUAL SALES TO THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, ERIE COUNTY HAS SOMEWHAT OF A BENEFIT.
SO LAST ONE, WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, WE HAD A 23% POTENTIAL DECLINE IN SALES TAX.
AND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WITH YOUR TOWN.
UH, WE DID LEAVE IT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS ANALYSIS, AND THAT WOULD BE A $1.3 MILLION IMPACT TO YOUR BEEF FUND.
UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING AN UPTICK IN SALES TAX AND THE ECONOMY SEEMS TO BE ROLLING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT BETTER, AND THAT'S INDICATED BY THE RECEIPTS FROM ERIE COUNTY.
UM, SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WHERE I WISH WE COULD GIVE MORE INFORMATION AND MORE FINE, UH, FINE TUNE THAT ESTIMATE, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO REVISIT IT AS YOU WORK FORWARD THROUGH YOUR BUDGET PROCESS, CERTAINLY INTO SEPTEMBER, DEFINITELY, UH, INTO OCTOBER, RIGHT BEFORE YOU PLANNED TO, TO ESTIMATE.
I THINK A, A LOT OF IT, WHAT WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT IN THE EARLY PROJECTIONS, THEY WERE BUMPING NEW YORK STATE IN AS ONE BIG GROUP.
WHAT TRANSPIRED WAS THE UPSTATE SALES TAX WAS NOT AS DRAMATICALLY IMPACTED AS THE DOWNSTATE SALES TAX.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR POCKET, WE'RE STILL LOSING MONEY, BUT WE'RE LOSING MONEY AT A, AT A LESS DRAMATIC RATE.
SO, AND YOU LOOKED AT THE LAST TWO TO THREE, UM, SALES TAX DISTRIBUTIONS, THEY WERE DOWN BETWEEN 8% AND 15%.
SO THAT 20% MIGHT GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S CERTAINLY PROBABLY BE BETTER THAN THE 24, 25 WAS ORIGINALLY PREDICTED, BUT WE'RE ALSO GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE INTERNET SALES TAX, WHICH WE HADN'T GOTTEN THE BENEFIT ON.
SO THE OVERALL REDUCTION LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE 20 PERCENT'S A FAIR ASSUMPTION AT THIS POINT GOING BEING CONSERVATIVE,
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BUT IT MAY IMPROVE, AS LUKE SAID.SO IN, IN THIS, THAT, THAT 1.3, $1.4 MILLION THAT'S SHOWN HERE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE SEE AS AT, AT 22.3, 22.5%, WHICH IS WHAT THE ESTIMATE WAS IN MAY, IF THAT NUMBER WERE TO BE A 20% DECLINE IN 2020.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL UPDATE THESE NUMBERS AS WE GET, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, IT WOULD BE A $1.2 MILLION NEGATIVE VARIANCE IF THAT WERE TO BE A 15% DECLINE FROM 2019 TO 2020.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT AN $850,000 NEGATIVE BUDGETARY VARIANCE.
AND THEN IF IT WAS TO, TO, TO IMPROVE SIGNIFICANTLY AND ONLY BE A 10% DECLINE FROM LAST YEAR, IT'D ONLY BE A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGETARY SHORTFALL ON, ON YOUR BUDGET.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT FOR THE 2021 BUDGET, WE'RE NOW GONNA BE CHALLENGED WITH WHAT'S THE NU NEW NUMBER GONNA BE IN 2021? AND THAT IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
WE'RE, WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHY, FORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE TO PASS THE BUDGET UNTIL MID-NOVEMBER.
UM, AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, EVERY LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY'S STABILITY, ECONOMIC STABILITY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH SAM AND KIND OF GET A, A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FOR 2021.
BUT THE SHORTFALL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS REALLY HOW MUCH ARE WE GONNA TAP INTO FUND BALANCES IN 2020 TO KIND OF PATCH THE GAP IN, IN, IN THIS YEAR.
UM, TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT ON TO SOME OTHER, UM, NEGATIVE VARIANCES WITH THE REVENUES, UH, THE NEXT BIGGEST ONE WE SAW WAS WITH YOUR SENIORS IN AGING PROGRAMS. AND REALLY THAT'S THE ADULT DAYCARE.
YOU HAVE THE NEW FACILITY THAT, THAT IS UP OVER, UH, ON, UM, ROUTE 20 SOUTHWESTERN THERE, THAT IS REALLY JUST NOT RUNNING RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, THE ONLY RECEIPTS THAT WE'RE SEEING COMING INTO THE TOWN ARE FROM THE VAN SERVICES IN A VERY LIMITED CAPACITY OF REVENUE.
SO WHERE THE BUDGET HAD PROJECTED, UM, CLOSE TO $500,000, WE'RE ACTUALLY ESTIMATING MORE LIKE 143 RIGHT NOW.
TODAY YOU HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT THAT INCLUDED THREE MONTHS OF, OF FULL ACTIVITY BEFORE THE QUARANTINE.
WELL, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS BEFORE THE FULL QUARANTINE HAD CAME INTO, INTO EXISTENCE.
SO, UH, STILL SOME REVENUES ON THE SENIOR SIDE OF THINGS, BUT NOT, NOT CLEARLY NOT UP TO THAT HALF MILLION.
WITH THAT, OF COURSE, YOU HAD A, UM, BUDGETARY BENEFIT OF NOT HAVING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH PART-TIME AND SOME CONTRACTUAL CUTS WERE MADE AND YOU DID MODIFY THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE COMPARING TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET AND THAT YOU MODIFIED THE BUDGET.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE GENERAL EXPENDITURE SENIOR AND AGING PROGRAM HAS A BENEFIT OF 117,000.
SO THE NET LOSS ON SENIOR REVENUE, 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES TO OFFSET SOME OF THE REVENUE IS ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.
SO $250,000 HIT TO THE GENERAL FUND WITHIN THAT SENIOR, UH, LINE.
A COUPLE, A COUPLE POINTS IN THERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT IT'S KIND OF, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AT, AT A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, THE ORIGINAL IDEA OR ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS THAT WE'D BE PRETTY MUCH BREAK EVEN 'CAUSE WE WON'T GET THE REVENUES, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THE EXPENDITURES.
BUT WHAT WE'VE COME TO FIND OUT IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT STILL HAVE FULL-TIME POSITIONS THAT WORK IN THOSE PO THAT WORK IN THOSE, UH, SECTIONS OF GOVERNMENT.
PLUS WE'RE GETTING HIT WITH SOME OF THE SEASONAL AND PART-TIME UNEMPLOYMENT, UM, COSTS THAT ARE COMING TO FRUITION.
SO WE WE'RE NOT AS IT, IT, IT WAS WHERE WE GOT BETTER WITH THE SALES TAX.
I THINK WE GOT A LITTLE WORSE WITH THE, THE CULTURE AND THE RECREATION.
THE OTHER THING WE'RE SEEING IN SOME OF THE SENIOR PROGRAMS TOO, IS THAT WE MAY NEED MORE PART-TIME HELP.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE SOME OF THE SENIORS THAT USED TO VOLUNTEER FOR SOME OF THESE SERVICES ARE RELUCTANT TO VOLUNTEER BECAUSE OF THE COVID.
SO NOW YOU, IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THE TASKS DONE IN GEORGETOWN, WE'RE SEEING MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO HIRE PART-TIMERS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OTHER CULTURE AND REC PROGRAMS, THAT WOULD BE THE YOUTH AND YOUTH AND REC.
UM, AND THEN ALSO YOUR GOLF COURSE AND YOUR ICE FACILITY.
UH, YOUTH AND REC REVENUES ARE ACTUALLY TRENDING PRETTY FAVORABLY AS FAR AS ON BUDGET.
AND THERE ALSO WAS, UM, SOME, THE SHUTDOWN CAUSED SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS WITHIN SOME OF THOSE LINE ITEMS, WHICH YOU WERE ABLE TO, UM, CUT THE, AND MODIFY THE BUDGET AS WELL AS LOOKING INTO SOME DISCRETIONARY INCOME.
SO YOU DID END UP SAVING ABOUT $200,000 ON THOSE, CUTTING THOSE DISCRETIONARY SPENDING TO HELP SOFTEN THE BLOW OF THESE OTHER REVENUE LOSSES.
UM, BUT THE GOLF COURSE MISSED A FEW MONTHS OF ACTIVITY AND IT'S NEVER WENT BACK TO FULL CAPACITY.
AND EVEN NOW, WE'RE STILL SEEING SOME RESTRICTIONS IN ON THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, SO WE'RE EXPECTING WHERE NORMALLY YOU, YOU, YOU'D ACTUALLY BE GETTING MONEY BACK FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR FROM THE GOLF COURSE FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND OR JUST PAYING JUST, YOU KNOW, 10,000, $15,000 IN
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THE LAST FEW YEARS.IT'S LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE BY ABOUT $120,000 FOR THAT LOST REVENUE.
THAT HOPEFULLY IS A ONE TIME 2020 COST.
TO GET BACK TO BUDGETING THE ENTERPRISE FUND AS YOU HAD BEFORE, THE ICE ARENA IS A BIG UNCERTAINTY.
I I, I KNOW AMHERST IS DOING WITH THE SAME THING OF THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING OPENING FOR FALL.
THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PROGRAMS. THEY'RE, WE'RE STILL KIND OF WAITING FOR THE CONCRETE CLEARANCE, THE GUIDANCE ON WHAT CAPACITY THEY CAN DO.
IS IT GONNA BE, IS THERE GONNA BE A HOUSE LEAK? IS IT ALL TRAVEL? UH, CAN YOU RENT THE SURFACES AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO FOR NOW WE'RE HOPING, UH, AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO OPEN FOR FALL AND IT WOULD ONLY HAVE A $60,000 LOSS WITH, WITH THE ICE.
SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, THE STATE AID, AS I SAID, UH, STATE AID WE SAW IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS GOT KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD THERE, ANYTHING FROM MARCH TO JUNE THAT WAS PROMISED, THAT'S THE OVERLAP OF THE STATE FISCAL YEAR TO THE SCHOOL FISCAL YEAR WAS CUT 20%.
AND AS OF AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOUR VLT AID WAS CUT BY 20%, UH, RELATED TO THE GAMING.
IF THE, THE GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT WERE TO TAKE THAT TO A STEP FURTHER UNDER STATE AID, UH, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THESE, THESE, THESE NUMBERS ARE STATE AID IS GONNA COME IN FOR THE REST OF 2020 AS EXPECTED, MORE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED WOULD LIKELY BE YOUR HIGHWAY AND PARK TOWN FUNDS BECAUSE THOSE ARE WHERE THE, THE MORE DISCRETIONARY STATE AID FUNDS ARE.
UH, I THINK THE, THE STATE GOVERNMENT AS OF NOW HAS PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT AIMS GONNA BE LEFT UNTOUCHED.
UM, WHICH MEANS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S INTERPRETED.
IT SOUNDS THAT IT MAY JUST GET KIND OF REALLOCATED FROM SALES TAX DISTRIBUTIONS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
AND THEN, UM, SO YOU, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT INTENT.
SO A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WITH THAT STATE AID.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD RELATE MORE TO YOUR HIGHWAY AND PARK TOWN FUND, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS, ARE VARYING THE WEIGHT OF THE, THE, THE, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF SALES TAX.
UH, ONE LAST ITEM I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON, UH, WAS THE FINES AND FORFEITURES.
THAT'S ALWAYS A VERY UNPREDICTABLE AMOUNT.
UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BUDGET AT, AT BUDGET TIME, UH, THIS YEAR, WE PRETTY MUCH BASE THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON LAST YEAR'S ACTUAL REDUCED BY THREE MONTHS OF JUST INACTIVITY.
'CAUSE UM, THERE WAS THE, THE, THE OF THE, OF THE QUARANTINE CRISIS, THERE WAS NO, NO TRAFFIC GOING ON.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE $150,000 DEFICIT THERE.
UM, THE, THE REST OF THE, THE, THE ASSUMPTIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, OUR VERY, UH, DETAILED EX EXPLAINED WITHIN YOUR, UH, HANDOUT THERE TOO.
SO AS YOU GO THROUGH 'EM, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO FILL 'EM OUT.
BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
I THINK WE WENT A LITTLE BIT OVER THE 10 MINUTES THAT WE SAID WE WOULD ANYWAYS.
BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO ADD, TOM, SAM, ERICA, I, I THINK THAT IF I, IF I'M IN IN THAT POSITIONING, I, I'D WANT TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE I'M GONNA BE THIS YEAR AND WHERE DO YOU THINK WE'RE GONNA BE NEXT YEAR.
AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YOU CAN SEE THAT BASED ON THESE PROJECTIONS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE DOWN ABOUT $1.8 MILLION IN THE 2020 YEAR.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, A, UH, VIRUS THAT NOBODY CAN PREDICT.
'CAUSE OUR HOPE WOULD BE THAT EVERYTHING GETS BETTER IN 2021 AND THAT NOTHING'S GONNA RECORD.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT PAST RECOVERIES, PAST RECESSIONS, THEY HAVEN'T RECOVERED IN ONE YEAR.
IT TAKES THREE TO FOUR YEARS TO RECOVER.
SO IN OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO, IF EVERYTHING STARTS GETTING BETTER, YOU CAN EXPECT THAT YOU'RE STILL GONNA PROBABLY BE DOWN ABOUT HALF OF WHAT YOU'RE DOWN THIS YEAR IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO FIRST, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A PLAN, HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE UP FOR THE $2,020 THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA RECEIVE THAT WE DID NOT? AND SECOND, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PLAN FOR THE 2021 INCREASES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, WHICH WE KNOW ON A BEST CASE SCENARIO ARE PROBABLY HALF OF THE 2020 LOSSES.
IF THINGS GET WORSE IN OUR, IN OUR SITUATION, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE THIS YEAR.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME, SOME CONCLUDING COMMENTS.
A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE LIKE TO ASK IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT? YEAH, I THINK SO.
I THINK THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
UH, THE PRESS HAS BEEN BARELY WELL SATURATED WITH THE GENERAL DEMISE OF THE ECONOMY FOR WESTERN NEW YORK AND, AND IN LOCAL PRESS HAMBURG'S, UH, ACTUALLY TO TRY AND ADDRESS IT WELL PUBLICIZED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
BECAUSE I THINK AS A, AS AN ADDED INFORMATIONAL PIECE, AS YOU GO THROUGH, BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING YOUR BUDGET PROCESS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE, THESE SAME TYPE PRESENTATIONS IN SEPTEMBER, AT LEAST TWO MORE BEFORE
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YOUR BUDGET ADOPTION IN IN NOVEMBER, IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, IS THAT WE, WE START PUTTING A A DOLLAR FIGURE, NOT A PERCENTAGE FIGURE, A DOLLAR FIGURE TO WHAT IT'S REALLY GONNA COST OUR TAXPAYERS TO THEIR HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE OF WHAT'S TRANSPIRED.YOU KNOW? AND, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, UH, THE NEWSPAPER OFTENTIMES IS GONNA TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES, BUT OUR TAXPAYERS DON'T PAY PERCENTAGES.
SO WE, WE WANNA START PUTTING THOSE DOLLARS IN INTO A PIECE OF PAPER.
SO YOU CAN SAY, HERE, HERE, HERE'S WHAT IT IS.
I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE ONE THING I I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU APPROACH THIS YET, BUT YOU, YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TAX CAP OVERRIDE, IF THAT'S BEEN, IF THAT'S BEEN LEGISLATED YET.
BUT EVEN AS A PRECAUTIONARY THING, I MEAN, NO TOWN WANTS TO OVERRIDE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO START PUTTING THAT IN PLACE SO THAT IT'S READY IF YOU NEED TO RELY.
AND IN PAST YEARS, UH, I THINK IN THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WE HAD ALWAYS PUT THAT INTO PLACE, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION.
WE, NOT NECESSARILY WERE GOING TO GO OVER IT, BUT JUST IN CASE.
UM, SO THAT IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
AND LIKE TOM AND LUKE SAID, YOU WILL BE RECEIVING AT LEAST TWO MORE OF THESE REPORTS AS WE CONTINUE, UM, THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS.
THE OTHER PROJECT THAT, UM, I MENTIONED, I'VE MENTIONED TO SOME OF YOU, UM, THAT I'LL BE WORKING WITH DRES M ON IS ANALYZING, UM, A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THEIR REVENUES VERSUS THEIR EXPENSES.
SO JUST AN INCOME STATEMENT SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS WITHIN THE TOWN, UM, IN A NORMAL YEAR, WHAT THE REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES.
AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WELL.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE COMMENTED SOMETIMES THE LIKE, LIKE EXPENSE ACCOUNT NAMES ARE VERY CONVOLUTED.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A LEVEL OF CLARITY TO THAT AND REALLY LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED SO THAT THE INFORMATION IS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE AS YOU MAKE THE, THE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT WE KNOW ARE OBVIOUSLY COMING.
WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS UP, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY SCARY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF? OR WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE? YEAH, I, UH, WE, WE, WE KNOW WE'VE HAD D FLUCTUATING NUMBERS ON OUR OVERALL DEFICIT.
1.8 MILLION IS THE LOWEST WE'VE, UM, WE'VE HEARD TODAY WE WERE AT 2 7 2 4, WE'VE TAKEN SOME ACTION DURING THE SUMMER TO TRY AND RESTRICT SPENDING WITH SOME DEGREE OF SUCCESS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE LOOK TO TAP INTO OUR FUND BALANCE, IS THERE A RECOMMENDED FORMULA OR, UH, NORM IN THE COUNTY MUNICIPAL ACCOUNTING, UH, PRINCIPLES AS TO WHAT EXTENT WE SHOULD LOOK TO DO THAT? I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER TO THAT.
'CAUSE I'VE GONE THROUGH THESE PROBABLY MORE THAN LOOK SO FAR WHERE YOU GET INTO SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S DEFICITS AND YOU GOTTA BUILD THE BOND BALANCE.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST THING IS YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PLAN.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT GO, THAT'S GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT IT'S LIKE, WHERE THIS BOARD, WHERE'S THEIR LEVEL OF RISK? HOW MUCH RISK ARE THEY WILLING TO ACCEPT? AND WHERE DO THEY WANT THAT LEVEL TO BE? AND THE NEXT THING THAT IS, WHERE IS A PLAN TO GET TO THAT NEW FUND BALANCE LEVEL? AND THAT'S, AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME THING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU GOT A FEW WAYS TO GO AND I'M, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE FREEZES, EXPENSE FREEZES, AND YOU, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT FREEZES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH OF THAT YOU CAN DO, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT HAS TO BE PUT INTO THE PLAN.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING YOUR, YOUR BUDGET PROCESS IS IF YOU WANNA START ASKING THE DEPARTMENTS FOR THEIR IDEAS, ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CONSOLIDATE SERVICES? ARE WE DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN ONE OF MY TOWNS WAS THE, WAS THE, THE, THE, UH, THE RECREATION PROGRAMS. ARE WE CHARGING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY? UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT COST US TO RUN THAT PROGRAM? AND THEN WHAT ARE WE CHARGING FOR THAT PROGRAM? HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO MM-HMM
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR OTHER SERVICES, CHILDCARE SERVICES MM-HMM
SO TO GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TO FINISH WITH YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, THE, THE PLAN IS, YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO REBUILD THE FUND, THE, THE FUND BALANCE OVER PROBABLY A THREE TO FOUR YEAR PERIOD.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CATCH UP.
UM, BUT YOU WANNA PUT A PLAN IN PLACE AND, AND SOME OF THAT MAY IT, I MEAN, AS HARD AS IT IS FOR ME TO SAY, UH, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S GONNA INCREASE, IT'S GONNA BE, INVOLVE AN INCREASE IN THE TAXES MM-HMM
BUT AGAIN, THE KNOWING OF THAT PLAN AND SHARING OF THAT PARTICULAR DOLLAR IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS PROVIDES IT, IS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN THEY
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CAN BUDGET FOR IT.UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THAT IN, IN WRITING.
SO THE RECOMMENDED LEVELS BY THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS, ASSOCIATIONS ABOUT TWO MONTHS OF EXPENDITURES TO HELP HAVE THAT CASH FLOW GAP FILLED FROM JANUARY UNTIL TAXES START TO COME IN MARCH.
SO THAT'S THE TYPICAL RULE OF THUMB IS TO HAVE A GOAL TO HAVE ABOUT 17%.
UH, TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE TOWNS AND COUNTIES, UM, PUT AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE WITHIN THAT GOAL OF, UH, IF IT FALLS BELOW 7%, LIKE A PLUS PLUS MINUS 10% OF THAT NUMBER MM-HMM
UH, EXCUSE ME, OF OPERATE ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES.
UM, SO IF YOU FELL TO 7% OF ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES, THAT WOULD TRIGGER A PLAN THAT TOM'S SPEAKING OF TO GET BACK INTO THAT YEAH.
IN THE SAME TOKEN, IF ONE OF YOUR FUNDS FELL ABOVE, UH, WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE OF COMFORT IS, THEN THERE'S A, A PLAN TO USE, USE SOME ONE-TIME SPENDING TO REDUCE THAT TO IMPLEMENT SOME NEW VEHICLE IMPROVEMENTS OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AROUND TOWN.
AND RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST TOTAL OVERALL, WE ARE RIGHT AROUND 17 TO 20%.
UM, THAT'S NOT ON AN INDIVIDUAL FUND BASIS THOUGH, BUT JUST OVERALL, SO THAT YOU AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF, THERE'S A GENERAL FUND BALANCE, UM, IN TOTAL OF ALL, ALL FUNDS.
AS OF, UM, 12 31 19 AND THAT ALSO THAT IS LIQUID.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THAT AMOUNT? UM, FOR THE GENERAL FUND? 4.4 MILLION.
UM, THE HIGHWAY FUND, I'M SURE YOU CARE ABOUT TED, IS ABOUT 623,000.
UM, THE, AND THEN THE DA FUND, THE OTHER HIGHWAY FUND HAS ABOUT 832.
AND, UH, OUR PART TOWN FUND HAS ALMOST 3 MILLION.
AND THE, AND THE NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING AT THE FUND BALANCE, THE 15 TO 20% THAT TOTAL FUND BALANCE ARE AVAILABLE, UH, TOTAL RESTRICTIONS.
SO THE, THE GOA RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE OF 17,000.
SO YOU MAY YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PERCENT 17%, EXCUSE ME, 17% OF ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES IN AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS THAT IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY STRINGS ATTACHED.
IT'S NOT GONNA APPLY TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND THEN IT'S REALLY FREE AND CLEAR FOR USE OF THE COUNTY BOARD'S DISCRETION.
AND I CAN GET ALL WE'RE RELATIVELY ON THE LOW SIDE, CORRECT? YEAH, NO QUESTION.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH LEVEL OF RISK I LOST WITH, SO YEAH.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF FUND BALANCE? I MEAN, FUNDAMENTALLY, FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S THE PAY YOUR BILLS, IT IS OF A PANDEMIC.
WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, MOST OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU, YOU, YOU SIT THERE AND, AND YOU'VE GOT A STATE AID REVENUE.
NOW WE MAY NOT, THEY MAY ACKNOWLEDGE THEY OWE US THAT MONEY, BUT THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY US.
SO WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THAT FROM? IF WE HAVE FUND BALANCE, WE HAVE CASH TO PAY OUR BILLS.
AND THAT'S WHY THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW LIQUID IS THAT FUND BALANCE? DO WE HAVE CASH? AND, UM, SAM ANSWERED THAT.
AND THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE VIEWPOINT IS TOO, ON, ON TOP OF THE CASH FLOW ISSUES IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS TO, TO SOFTEN THE BLOW THE PANDEMIC, OR IF THERE WAS A, A NATURAL DISASTER THAT STRUCK THE TOWN OR FLOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S THAT FUND BALANCE TO BRIDGE THE GAP BEFORE YOU CAN SECURE LONG TERM FINANCING WITH THE PANDEMIC.
WE'RE SEEING THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO ALTERNATIVE FOR LONG TERM FINANCING RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A, A A, ANY, UH, DESIGN PLAN TO REPLENISH THE FUND BALANCE THROUGH THE TOWN ZONE RESOURCES IN THE EVENT OF A, A FLOOD OR A BAD SNOWSTORM IS USUALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE AID OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S BEEN NO SORT OF DISCUSSION AS WE KNOW, KNOW ANY TANGIBLE DISCUSSION ON THE HEAL ACT OR ANY OTHER, UH, SISTER TO THE CARES ACT THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE AREA CONCERN IS, IS.
AND THAT'S WHERE A A A FUND BALANCE COMES IN HANDY IS WHEN THERE IS NO QUOTE UNQUOTE BAILOUT OR SAFETY NET TO FALL BACK ON THE DA.
THE 800, 800 PLUS THOUSAND, THAT'S FOR THE BRIDGE, CORRECT? MM-HMM
ISN'T IT IN ESSENCE OUR EMERGENCY RESERVE OR RAINY DAY FUND? THAT'S RIGHT.
CAN I GET A COPY OF YOUR REPORT? YOU ASKED YOU? UM, I JUST PAGE TO WRITE ON THIS ONE.
ACTUALLY, I DID NOT WRITE ON THIS ONE.
AND THEN AS THESE NUMBERS START TO COME MORE TO FRUITION, SO HOPEFULLY IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO IS WORK WITH SAM AND ACTUALLY PROJECT THOSE FUND BALANCE NUMBERS THROUGH THE YEAR END SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE YOUR FUND BALANCES ARE, HOPEFULLY WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE 2021 BUDGET, BECAUSE IT,
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IT THERE, THE 2020 BUDGET ALSO APPROPRIATED THE USE OF SOME OF THAT FUND BALANCE.SO THAT'S ANOTHER NEGATIVE BUDGETARY IMPACT.
IN THE B FUND, THERE WAS ALMOST $2 MILLION THAT WAS APPROPRIATED FROM, TO USING THAT FUND BALANCE.
TRADITIONALLY THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH SAVINGS WITHIN COUPLED WITH THE POLICE AND BENEFIT FROM THE SALES TAX THAT YOU HADN'T HAD TO TAP INTO THE PLANNED USE OF FUND BALANCE.
THIS YEAR THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CASE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE SALES TAX.
THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF USE OF FUND BALANCE.
I THINK THE LAST FEW YEARS IT'S BEEN ABOUT RANGE BETWEEN 500 TO, TO ONE $1 MILLION OF USE OF, OF, UH, 500,000 TO 1 MILLION USE OF FUND BALANCE, NOT USING THE FULL 2 MILLION.
UM, SO ONCE WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE GROUNDED ON WHERE THE SALES TAX AND WHERE THE MORTGAGE TAX NUMBERS ARE COMING IN, UH, HOW YOUR FINES AND FORFEITURES DID, UM, WE'LL START TO PROJECT THE REVENUES BETTER.
I THINK YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE.
WE CAN HAVE A PRETTY GOOD EXPECTATION FOR THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THINGS.
THE UNCERTAINTY THIS YEAR IS REALLY WHERE THE REVENUE'S GONNA COME.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET YOU SOME BALLPARK, UM, FUND BALANCE NUMBERS DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
AND AS, AS WE DISCUSSED IN ALL, EVERY TIME WE WENT THROUGH AND REVIEWED ONE OF THESE REPORTS, OBVIOUSLY EVERY TIME A NEW REPORT COMES OUT, WE ONLY HAVE MORE AND MORE INFORMATION.
SO BY THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THE BUDGET NOVEMBER 20TH AND HAVE OUR DEBT ISSUANCE POTENTIALLY DECEMBER 1ST, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WE DO NOW.
SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT A $1.8 MILLION DEFICIT WITH APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE B FUND.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S ALSO THE, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AS, AS OF, AS OF WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.
FOR THE 23% ESTIMATING IT CONSERVATIVELY LIKE WE'VE BEEN ALL ALONG.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN PERFORMANCE TO THE BUDGET TOO.
SO THE FEE FUND WOULD ALSO PLAN TO USE PLAN TO SPEND DOWN $2 MILLION MM-HMM
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THE ACTUAL IMPACT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN 1.3.
THIS IS JUST WHAT THIS IS EVALUATING IS YOUR PERFORMANCE TO THE BUDGET.
SO YOU HAVE 1.8 WORSE THAN YOU EXPECTED.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT NUMBER GETS DOWN TO A 10% LOSS AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD DISCUSS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE OFF TO ORCHARD PARK, ASK PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND BUY STUFF AND IMPROVE OUR SALES TAX.
UH, IS MR BUT WITH US STILL OR NO? YES, WHERE YOU GO.
WE'VE BEEN PUTTING YOU ON THE SHELF FOR TOO LONG.
I STARTED 1980 AROUND JIM, JIM LIN AND THEN HE WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT RO ROY FARRELL.
WAS IT? NO, JUDGE FARRELL WAS.
NO, THERE WASN'T A JUDGE FARRELL.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A FARRELL HERE AT, SO ENJOY YOUR MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A JUDGE FARRELL HAMMER MARK OR MARK.
IS HE RELATED TO YOU? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
TOM, THIS WAS ONE OF HIS, UH, HIS FIRST AUDITS ACTUALLY WHEN HE SAID, GO AHEAD M**K.
WELL NOW THAT WE KNOW WE'RE OUT OF THE MONEY
UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, SITTING DOWN WITH SAM, UH, OVER BUDGETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO WAS MY PROMOTION.
UH, WE TRIED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE POLICE FINANCES, UH, BASED ON, UH, INCREMENTAL BUDGETING FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO TRY TO ACTUALLY TRACK OUR COSTS.
AND ONE OF THOSE, UH, BIG AREAS WAS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THERE'S BEEN MANY, UH, PROPOSALS OVER THE YEARS TO BUILD A STORAGE BUILDING FOR OUR POLICE CARS TO PUT AN ADDITION ON AN EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, ALSO, UM, WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO BE DONE ON OUR BUILDING BETWEEN THE ROOF, UH, AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, UH, POINTING ON THE BUILDING.
UH, SO MY THOUGHT WAS, RATHER THAN TO KEEP PUTTING MONEY INTO OUR EXISTING FACILITY, WHICH WAS A BUILDING THE GROUNDS LODGE, UM, I THINK IN 96 THEY TRIED BUILDING A JUSTICE SOUTHERN TOWN AND THAT WAS, UH, PUT UP TO A PUBLIC VOTE AND VOTED DOWN.
SO THE TOWN RUNNING OUTTA A ROOM AT TOWN HALL DECIDED TO MOVE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS OUT TO THE NIKE BASE.
THEY BUILT THEM THE NEW FACILITY AND THEN THEY MOVED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STAGES BACK TO OUR CURRENT FACILITY.
SO THE BUILDING WAS PURPOSE BUILT FOR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS GARAGE, AND THEN WE TRY TO REHAB
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IT OVER THE YEARS.WELL, WE REACHED A POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE BETWEEN DISPATCH COMING BACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FACILITIES AT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE STILL HAVE ARCHIVES OVER HERE AT TOWN HALL.
WE HAVE STUFF OUT AT THE HIGHWAY GARAGE, WE HAVE THE SWAT OFFICE.
WE HAVE STUFF AT THE TOWN PARK.
SO RATHER, YOU KNOW, FROM TALKING TO SAM, UM, CHIEF WICKETT IN YEARS PAST WITH, UM, SEAN TI HAD PROPOSED PUTTING AN ADDITION ONTO OUR EXISTING FACILITY, UH, PROTRUDING ON INTO THE PARKING LOT 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD ONTO.
SO I SAID, WELL, RATHER THAN DOING THAT, UNDERSTANDING THAT INTEREST RATES ARE SO LOW RIGHT NOW, UM, ARE WE GOING SIDEWAYS BY PUTTING ADDITIONAL MONIES INTO A BUILDING, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, UP TO, UH, STANDARDS.
SO I TALKED TO BRIDGE IT UP IN THE COURT AS WELL, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT, UH, REDOING THE BACK OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THAT.
SO RATHER THAN SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THAT AREA AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BACK TO JUST KEEP WHAT WE HAVE, I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY BUILDING A NEW FACILITY IF YOU CAN BOND THE MONEY OVER A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME, SOMETIMES THE COST OF THAT MONEY IS GONNA BE CHEAPER THAN TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVE THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE ON THERE.
WE, WE CAME UP WITH LIKE A THREE TO FIVE YEAR PLAN TO TRY TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS BETWEEN REMODELING AND RENOVATING VERSUS BUILDING NEW AND THE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING A NEW FACILITY.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY ON THE HEELS OF COVID, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE TOWN CAN AFFORD, BUT SOMETIMES BY, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEALING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE EXISTING FACILITY GOING ON, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING SOMETHING PURPOSE BUILT.
UH, SO THE LATEST NUMBERS THAT WE HAD CAME FROM CHIEF DEA, UH, WHICH DID REMODEL SLASH EDITION.
UH, AND THAT WAS LIKE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
THEY FINISHED THAT UP AND THAT WAS ABOUT 16 MILLION.
AND THEN THE TOWN OF LANCASTER BUILT A JUSTICE CENTER, UH, ABOUT 2012, AND THAT WAS AROUND 12 MILLION.
SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS TO DO WITH ACQUISITION COSTS, UH, YOU KNOW, SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, UH, LAND COSTS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THERE.
UH, WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO SAY, HEY, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO STUDY AS WE GO FORWARD, AND IN THE MEANTIME, NOT ASK THE BOARD TO PUT MONEY INTO OUR EXISTING FACILITY, CONTINUE THE BANDAID APPROACH BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE PUTTING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A ROOF IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND YOU GOT HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON THE ROOF BETWEEN MECHANICALS THE ROOF, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, GUTTERS POINTING.
I MEAN THERE'S JUST SO MUCH WORK IT HAS TO BE DONE JUST TO KEEP THE EXTERIOR BUILDING SOUND.
AND THEN THE INTERIOR, THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, IT'S NOT VERY, UM, EFFICIENT FOR, UH, OPERATIONS.
AND THEN SEAN CAN BACK ME UP AS FAR AS HIS DEPARTMENT IS SORT OF OUTGROWN THE AREA, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A TRAINING AREA, AND NOW HE'S IN A POSITION WHERE HE HAS NO ROOM CURRENTLY TO EXPAND HIS OPERATION WITH THE PROSPECT OF GAINING ADDITIONAL, UM, SERVICES.
YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN, WE WERE REALLY JUST KIND OF, UM, FORTUNATE TO GET THE SPACE THAT WE OCCUPY, BUT WE QUICKLY OUTGREW IT AND WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, WHEN NICK AND I HAD UH, SPOKEN ABOUT IT, WE JUST FELT IT WAS, UH, MUCH MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO GROW INTO SOMETHING RATHER THAN GROW OUT OF IT.
WE'VE WELL OUTGROWN, UM, FACILITY BACK THERE AND IT'S PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OUR DISPATCHERS ARE IN THE, PRETTY MUCH IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF CONVERSATIONS AND A LOT OF ACTIVITIES BETWEEN LOCKING PRISONERS UP, WALKING 'EM THROUGH, PEOPLE COMING IN FOR PRINTS.
AND IT'S JUST THAT HOW THE WALL, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, MAKE CRITICAL TRANSMISSIONS ON THE RADIOS AND ANSWER PEOPLE'S, UM, CALLS FOR HELP WITH 9 1 1 AND GIVE 'EM LIFESAVING INSTRUCTIONS.
SO REALLY IT IS NOT A STERILE ENVIRONMENT LIKE YOU REALLY SHOULD BE IN.
IT'S VERY, VERY NOISY, VERY BUSY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THROUGH TRAFFIC, SO, AND IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF, UM, PUTTING A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN A SMALL BUILDING THAT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR THE APPLICATION WHICH WE'RE USING IN.
SO FELLOW, CAN I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS? UM, SEAN, IN, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE DO YOU, DO YOU OCCUPY? DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATION OF THAT? UH, MAYBE FIVE, 20 BY 30.
AND REALLY THAT'S OUR SITTING, THAT'S OUR POSITION AREA.
WE HAVE OUR SERVER ROOM WHERE OUR YEAH.
INFRASTRUCTURE IS, WHICH IS A CLOSET, WHICH REALLY SHOULD BE A 5,000 SIZE.
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OKAY.UNDER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, NO MATTER WHAT, WHAT OPTIMALLY WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU THINK YOU WOULD NEED? HONESTLY, I, I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSULT WITH SOMEBODY THAT, ALRIGHT, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, UH, WORK AREAS FOR PROFESSIONALLY, THIS WAS AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WAS GROUND DESIGN.
NOW WE GOT OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE UNIT OVER THERE TOO, THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY CAME OVER, BUT, UM, JEN KOWSKI AND, AND, UH, SHE IS AN ASSISTANT.
SHE NEEDS SOME CONFERENCE AREA AND AN OFFICE SPACE AND SUCH MUCH.
DO YOU, DO YOU FELLOWS HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH, UH, HOW MUCH ROOM THEY OCCUPY IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? I DON'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M GONNA SAY IT'S SMALLER IN SEAN'S FOOTPRINT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM THAT WE, WE NEED, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROPER BREAK ROOM FACILITIES, LOCKER ROOM FACILITIES MM-HMM
SO IT WAS ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF WAS BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, WAS SUFFICIENT.
WE CONTINUED THESE ADDITIONS ONTO THE BUILDING MM-HMM
AND TO USE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WASN'T MEANT TO BE USED LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND FIXED AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE SPEND THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FIX WHAT WE HAVE OR DO WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE PURPOSELY BUILDING A FACILITY THAN TO MEET OUR, OUR OUR NEEDS.
AND NOW SINCE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW POLICE BUILDING WOULD BE A LONG-TERM PROJECT, UM, IS THERE ANY VALUE IN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE THIS SPACE THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CURRENTLY OCCUPIES? IF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MOVES INTO THE TOWN HALL, I, I THINK SHORT TERM, UH, YOU KNOW, SEAN'S SOLUTION WITH THAT SPACE WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ROOM AND OR MOVE PATROL OPERATIONS AND THE LIEUTENANT'S OFFICE WHERE IT IS AT, UP TO THAT AREA.
TO GIVE SEAN'S PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM SO HE CAN EXPAND HIS FOOTPRINT.
SO THEN WOULD THAT AT LEAST ALLEVIATE THINGS SLIGHTLY AS O OBVIOUSLY A PLAN WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE DEVELOPED FOR A NEW BUILDING? I, I, I THINK SO.
I THINK THAT, I THINK SHORT TERM THAT CERTAINLY WOULD HELP MM-HMM
NOW IS THAT SOMETHING EITHER OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN, LIKE ANY QUOTES ON YET? SO ALL THE NUMBERS THAT I SAW IN THE PAST ONE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, ADMINISTRATIONS OF BUDGETING WERE SHOTS IN THE DARK.
JUST PUT A NUMBER ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND I THINK THE NUMBERS WERE VERY LOW 'CAUSE THEY DON'T TAKE ACCOUNT PREVAILING WAGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ANY TYPE OF REMODELING AND RENOVATION OF THAT AREA.
SO NOW, UM, I MEAN WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TO HONE IN ON THESE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO ADOPT RES BOARD RESOLUTIONS FOR THE BOND ON AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, TO GET ME INFORMATION BY THE EIGHTH? I BELIEVE WE'RE ASKING EVERYONE TO JUST LIKE SOME PRELIMINARY QUOTES, UH, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY ANALYZE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OVER THERE AND JUST TO GET A COST ESTIMATE SO THAT WE, IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, WE AT LEAST KNOW HOW MUCH THAT PIECE OF IT COSTS TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME RELIEF IN THE SHORT TERM.
I THINK WE CAN MEET WITH RAY, UH, RAY'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH COMING UP, YOU KNOW, FACTS AND FIGURES TO SEE WHAT THAT TYPE OF RENOVATION WOULD DO.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT SHORT TERM BE DONE IN HOUSE ALSO KEEP THE COST OUT.
'CAUSE IT'S A MATTER OF TAKING A WALL OUT TO GET ACCESS TO THAT AREA.
SO IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH THAT BY THE EIGHTH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WE'D HAVE TO USE, UTILIZE HER TO GET ACCESS TO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OFFICE.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S SOME, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND IN THE SHORT TERM, SO, AND RAY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET YOU ACCESS.
UH, SHALL WE GET INTO, UH, THE AGENDA? UH, WE'RE GONNA START ABOUT 40 MINUTES AND IF WE FINISH THE AGENDA, WE CAN GET INTO SOME OTHER TOPICS IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, WELL WE'VE GOT THE PEN DIXIE PROCLAMATION FOR THOSE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEN THE FOURTH QUARTER TOWN BOARD, UH, SCHEDULE NUMBER FIVE, UH, IS EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY IN SYNC WITH THAT ONE? OKAY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD NOTE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TIME, UM, AT EVERY MEETING TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU FROM PAST BUDGET SEASONS KNOW HOW WE END UP WITH EXTRA NIGHTS AND OBVIOUSLY WE ALREADY HAVE EXTRA NIGHTS ADDED ON WITH THE DEBT.
SO HOPEFULLY IF WE HAVE TIME AT EVERY MEETING TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET, IT CAN KIND OF DEVELOP THE WAY THE DEBT DID.
BUT, UH, IF WE NEED MORE, WE NEED MORE, UH, UH, WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TWO SPECIAL SESSIONS ON THE NINTH AND THE 12TH OF SEPTEMBER, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE NEXT QUARTER.
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FOUR 30 ON ALL THE MEETINGS EXCEPT FOR THE 16TH AND DECEMBER 7TH, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP.AND THAT FIRST HOUR IT, WE, UH, FOUR 30 SEGMENT IS DEVOTED TO DEBT AND FINANCE IONS.
UM, WELL THIS IS THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, KAREN, THAT'S YOU, UH, JONATHAN.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PERSONNEL SWAP.
UM, PAUL RANDALL IS, UM, REQUESTED TO BE REASSIGNED TO PATROL.
UM, SO BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULING AND, AND WORKLOAD, WE NEED THE EIGHT DETECTIVES.
UM, IT ALSO RESULTS IN A LITTLE BIT OF A SAVINGS TOO.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S VERY MUCH IT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS JUST, UH, APPROVING TWO NEW MEMBERS TO THE BIGTREE VOLUNTEER FIRE CALL.
AND LET'S SEE, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, NEW DAVID.
THEY'VE GOT A NEW PERSON TO COME ON BOARD.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, A REAPPOINTMENT OF ROBERT HUTCHINSON TO A FIVE YEAR TERM ON THE ASSESSMENT BOARD OF REVIEW.
WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, THREE PEOPLE ON THAT, I BELIEVE, ON THE ASSESSMENT BOARD OF REVIEW.
UM, THIS IS, UH, NICK, UH, NUMBER 10.
UH, HE'S TAKING THE PLACE OF PAUL RANDALL AS THE DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGER.
UH, AND UH, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER TITLE.
IT'S SOME ADDITIONAL WORK YOU GOTTA DO, I GUESS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SEAN, UH, THE PLEASANT CREEK, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND THE HYDRANTS, WHAT DO YOU, ANYTHING TO SAY THERE? UH, NO, JUST STANDARD, UM, FINISHING THE PLEASANT CREEK PHASE, UH, REQUIRES US TO HAVE, UH, TWO FIRE HYDRANTS INSTALLED IN THE SUB, IN THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, KAREN, NUMBER 12 IS RECORDS RETENTION.
WHAT, UH, ANYTHING THERE THAT WE SHOULD BE? UH, NOT MUCH.
WE'RE JUST ADOPTING THIS AWARE OF YEAH.
SO WE'RE LEGALLY DISPOSING OUR RECORDS AND COVER THAT.
UH, MR. MARLOW, UH, IS REQUESTING IN THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS TO GIVE HIM A PARTIAL REFUND ON THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE STORAGE SHED THAT HE DIDN'T CONSTRUCT.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY STANDARD.
UH, FOR REPORTING PURPOSES, UH, THE STANDARD WORK WEEK, YOU REPORT THAT TO, UH, THE STATE OF NEW YORK FOR PENSION, UH, COMPUTATIONS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THE RESOLUTION, THERE ARE THE WORKSHEETS ATTACHED TO IT SO THAT WE DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT STUFF? OKAY.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A DETERMINATION OF THE UTILITY EASEMENT AT BERKELEY SQUARE.
UM, ANYTHING YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THERE? ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF ALL? OKAY.
UM, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE, UM, YES SIR.
RETIREMENT, HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THE, UH, THE FOUR POINT, UH, FIVE NINE FOR ME ON THAT? FOR WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU AT HERE? UH, BE PAGE OH YEAH.
19 AND THE ATTACHMENT 4.59 RECORD OF ACTIVITIES AS A RESULT.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WORKDAY REPORTING IS GIVEN TO JANIE IN MY OFFICE, AND THEN THERE'S A FORMULA THAT SHE USES WITH NEW YORK STATE TO COME UP WITH THESE FIGURES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FORMULA IS, BUT THAT'S HOW SHE COMES UP WITH THAT CALCULATION.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALL SUBMITTED YOUR CALENDARS POSSIBLY THAT I THINK IT USES THAT TO COME UP WITH, I'M NOT ON HERE EITHER.
IT JUST SEEMS A VARIANCE BETWEEN ME AND 4.59 AND, UH, BETH AT 20.97 AND THEN MIGHT GET 12.5.
THEY DO SEEM VERY SKEWED, BUT ALSO THEY'RE STARTED IN 2018, SO NO, BUT IT'S STILL FOR THE SAME YEAR THOUGH, APPLE OR WITH YOUR, I KNOW THAT SHE SENDS OUT THAT WORKDAY REPORTING CALENDAR, SO EVERYBODY HAS TO SUBMIT LIKE THREE MONTHS CALENDAR.
ASSUMING YOU GUYS DID THAT, THEN SHE USES THAT FOR THE CALCULATION.
GO BACK AND CHECK THAT TO SEE IF THAT'S ACCURATE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CAL THE INFORMATION WE GOT IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? I SUBMITTED MINE.
LET'S MAKE A, LET'S, LET'S, UH, TABLE THAT FOR TWO WEEKS, UH, TO LET THE, YOU, KAREN AND SEAN TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN REPORTED AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
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IS THAT OKAY? AND THEY'RE ALSO UNDER THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS.YOUR, YOU, WALTER, LAURA HAN, MICHELLE PARKER.
I'M ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE ON THE BACK.
THE NAMES MISSING WILL BE MYSELF.
BETH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SECOND PAGE, EVERYBODY'S IN THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM, CORRECT? EVERYBODY.
ARE YOU IN IT? THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM TO BE ON BOTH PAGES? EITHER.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE I'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO THEN IS WE'LL TABLE THIS, ALL RIGHT.
UH, AND, UH, LET'S FIND OUT, UH, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT, PUT THAT BURDEN ON SEAN AND KAREN, TAKE A LOOK.
ANYTHING THERE? I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE SELLING THE PROPERTY.
IN ORDER TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING, UH, YEAH.
BETH, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT THAT? UH, THAT IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE LAST TIME.
WE'VE GIVEN SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS.
WE'VE FINALIZED, ALYSSA DID SOME ADDITIONAL CHECKING.
WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH PAYCHEX AGAIN.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S READY TO GO.
IT'S A, IT'S THE FREE UPGRADE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
IT WILL PUT US IN A POSITION THEN TO START TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER MENU ITEMS. WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WITH TRAINING, ET CETERA.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 17, IS THE POLICE VEHICLE.
UH, AND THAT IS BEING PAID FOR, UH, PURSUANT TO, UH, ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS.
UH, SO THAT'S THE DODGE GRAND CARAVAN? THAT, IS THAT A PATROL VEHICLE, NICK? UH, NEGATIVE.
UH, NOW WITH REGARD TO 18, UH, SEAN AND I TALKED TO MARTY GENKE AND HE'D LIKE US TO WITHDRAW THIS, UH, APPOINTMENT OF A PART-TIME WORKER, MR. BAKER.
UH, AND THAT'S DUE AND OWING TO THE PART-TIME FREEZE AND, UH, THE FREEZE AND PART-TIME HIRES THAT WE ADOPTED BACK IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, OR JUNE OF THIS YEAR? NO, JULY OF ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S HIS REQUEST THAT WE WITHDRAW THAT.
UH, AND THEN ON CA THE NEXT ONE IS KATHY'S, UH, AT THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE EVERY YEAR WE NEED TO HIRE SOME PEOPLE TO DO, UM, TAX PROCESSING ON THE TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES DUE ON 10 15.
SO THESE FOLKS ARE, THEY'RE, WE'VE USED THEM BEFORE, HAVEN'T WE? KEPT, YES.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT THOSE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? OKAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT A HIRING FREEZE AND THEY'RE PART-TIME, WE'VE GOTTA PROCESS THIS, THIS VOLUME OF WORK AND WE CAN'T DO IT WITH THE EXISTING PERSONNEL NO MATTER TRACK.
AND THEY'RE ONLY, THEY'RE ONLY ON FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
UM, THE, UH, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN BAKER, EVERYONE ON THE LIST IS CURRENTLY EMPLOYED.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SWITCHING PEOPLE FROM SEASONAL RIGHT.
WHAT I SHOULD DO IS NOT REMOVE IT.
WHAT I SHOULD DO IS AMEND IT TO DELETE MR. BAKER.
SO THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T DOING THAT THOUGH.
IT ONLY PUTS A PART-TIME SEASONAL RATE FOR JONATHAN BAKER AND THEN IT TERMINATES EVERYONE ELSE.
WHAT DO YOU UM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING, BUT BAKER'S THE ONLY ONE WE WANT TAKE OFF.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST BEING TRANSFERRED.
THEY'RE ALREADY ON PAYROLL, SO WE WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA TERMINATE ALL THE MARTY.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S ONLY TERMINATING THEM.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE HIRING THEM.
I, THESE ARE ALL, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE THE IN FRONT OF ME.
YEAH, MARTY, UH, THEY'RE ALL LIFEGUARDS.
UH, UH, SEAN AND DUFFY, UH, PAIGE AND SEAN DUFFY.
DOES THAT RING A BELL WITH YOU OR NO? OKAY.
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DO, GO AHEAD.UM, YEAH, I, I'M SORRY, I, I DON'T HAVE MY SHEET IN FRONT OF ME, SO, UM, I MAY BE GIVING UP, UH, BAD INFORMATION HERE.
SO, UH, WHEN THE TOM BOARD MEETING RESUMES AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, I'LL HAVE IN FRONT OF ME AND IF THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING I NEED TO ADD, I'LL DO IT AT THAT TIME.
I THINK ALL WE NEED TO DO IS JUST AMEND IT TO TAKE JONATHAN BAKER OFF BAKER.
OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT LARRY, JOE HALQUIST AND SHARON BRAUN IN THE TAX OFFICE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE, BETH IS, OH, THIS IS CBBG MONEY.
YES, AND IT'S FOR THE, UM, BID APPROVAL FOR THE BLAZE DELL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THE NEXT ONE IS FOR THE CARES ACT AND IT'S JUST, UH, SHOWING THE BUDGET BREAKDOWN FOR THAT.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS FOR, AGAIN, HAS TO DO WITH THE CARES ACT, IT'S THE SERVICES FOR THE CONTRACT, CHANGE ORDERS, AND THE AMOUNTS THAT GIVEN THERE.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO FOR THE CARES ACT REGARDING THE FOOD PANTRY AND THE TWO, UH, FOOD PRINT PANTRIES THAT, UM, SUBMITTED PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
AND THAT WE'LL ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
AND THEN THE NEXT IS FOR THE, IS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, FOR AUTHORIZING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULE FOR THE FALL, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DATES AND TIMES MM-HMM
UH, BOTH AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL, BLAZEDALE VILLAGE HALL AND HAMBURG.
THE NEXT IS PROSPECT LAW CEMETERY, UH, UNDER NEW YORK LAW, UH, GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, UH, WE ARE APPROPRIATING FUNDING UNDER THAT SECTION OF THE LAW FOR THIS CEMETERY.
THIS IS THE RENEWAL OF A CONTRACT THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG.
SO THAT'S THE STATUS ON, ON THAT PROSPECT LAW AND CEMETERY, UH, REPRESENTATIVES THAT I DISCUSSED, THE PROSPECT OF REDUCING OUR SUBSIDY.
HOWEVER, IF THIS INSTITUTION WERE TO EVER BE BEREFT OF FUNDS, UH, OR BE UNABLE TO GO FORWARD UNDER THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED UNILATERALLY TO TAKE OVER THIS SERVICE, WHICH WOULD BE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING.
UM, BETH, YOU'RE UP THERE ON THE, ON THE BID FOR THE BEACH.
RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY BID FOR BOTH THE RAMP AND THE RESTROOM TRAILER FOR THE, UM, HAMBURG TOWN BEACH.
CHRIS, WHERE WOULD THE RESTROOM TRAILER, UH, THE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE TRAILER BE LOCATED? IF I'M, IF I'M ON THE BEACH LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, UH, WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ARE YOU ON AND ALL THAT? MOST LIKELY, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STAIRWAY SIDE.
UP AND ON, ACTUALLY OUT ON THE BEACH ITSELF, WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT SO THEY COULD PULL UP AND USE IT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PORTABLE, OBVIOUSLY, DUE TO THE WEATHER.
AND TAKEN OUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BUT IT'S A HELL A LOT CHEAPER THAN DOING THE INTERIOR AND YOU'RE DOING ALL THAT.
LAKE AVENUE, THE CROSSWALK, UM, WE'RE FINALLY IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT, UH, BID OPENINGS ON SEPTEMBER THE 18TH FOR WORK TO CONSTRUCT, UH, THE CROSSWALK, WHICH IS AT THE SENIOR CENTER THERE, AND IT GOES ACROSS LAKE TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE, JUST ON THE TOWN SIDE OF THE VILLAGE OF THE VILLAGE WINE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT SINCE, I GUESS DECEMBER OF 2019, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
THE SMITH ROAD, UH, BETH, THAT'S THE BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR STUFF? YES.
YES, THEY WENT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
WALTER, UH, UH, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING VIOLATIONS? I KNOW WE'VE AMEN.
UH, ARE WE READY TO GO IN YOUR OPINION? UH, I, I DO JUDGE, UH, JIM, THE, UH, THE ONE 50 IS THE MAXIMUM, THE MINIMUM IS 50.
OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD CAN AMEND THAT IF IT WANTS TO MAKE IT THE MINIMUM LOWER.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW THE COURTS FEEL ABOUT HAVING A MINIMUM ON
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THE FINE, IF I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR NOT.I DUNNO WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO ON THAT.
WELL, I SUPPOSE IF, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE GOT A TWOFOLD PURPOSE HERE.
ONE IS WE WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM, UH, PARKING IMPROPERLY AT THE HAMBURG TOWN BEACH IN ONE INSTANCE, AND ON, UH, TOWN ROADS AND ANOTHER.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
AND SO IT SHOULD BE A REAL DISINCENTIVE.
CERTAINLY IF YOU GET WHACKED FOR 50 BUCKS ON ONE OCCASION, YOU'RE GONNA BE LESS LIKELY TO WANNA INCUR THAT EXPENSE A SECOND TIME.
UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, UH, IT IS A REVENUE GENERATION DEVICE.
SO IF OUR TOWN JUDGES THINK THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW INEQUITABLE, THEY CAN, UH, UH, THEY CAN GET BACK WITH US AND, AND LET US KNOW.
UH, BUT I, I GUESS I'M PREPARED TO GO FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S, I I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AS FAR AS OUR NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES, UHHUH,
UM, WEST SENECA'S AT 15 ON THEIR LOW END ORCHARD PARKS AT 25.
UH, VILLAGE OF HAMBURG GOES BETWEEN 25 AND 50 AND, BUT EDEN'S AT AT 40 AND $50.
SO THERE'S KIND OF A YEAH, WELL, THANK YOU.
AND I THINK LIKE AT THAT LOW END, YOU'RE REALLY NOT MAKING UP FOR THE COST OF ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE FOR US.
AND THEN I ALSO THINK, ESPECIALLY WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING GOING ON, IF WE CAN START GIVING THEM THE OPTION OF MAILING THESE IN, UM, AND JUST TAKING A FINE, WITHOUT THEM BEING SEEN IN THE COURT.
WELL, ALRIGHT, MIKE, I GUESS MY SENSE IS, I KNOW WE'RE HIGHER THAN THE VILLAGE OF BLA HILL.
WE'RE HIGHER THAN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG.
MY SENSE IS WE'VE BATTED THIS AROUND.
LET'S GIVE IT A TRY AND IF THE JUDGES ARE UPSET WITH US, UH, OR, UH, WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM AND IF THE PUBLIC IS UPSET WITH IT, I'LL BLAME, UH, MY BUDDY MR. CO.
BE I'LL JUST ADD THAT ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THE AVERAGE RIGHT NOW IS 40 AND THEN THE, UM, AND IN THE, UH, CITY CENTERS IT'S ABOUT 75 TO 85.
SO IT'S, IT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE HAVE.
UM, AND IT IS HIGHER THAN SOME OTHER LOCAL, BUT I THINK, UM, IT'S APPROPRIATE AND CERTAINLY NOT, NOT ON THE LINE.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S A, A, A GOOD WAY GOING FORWARD TO TRY AND HELP CONTROL THESE PROBLEM AREAS.
WELL, AND I THINK SAM BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
WE ALREADY, ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC MATTERS ARE STILL HANDLED BY MAIL UNLESS SOMEBODY IS REJECTING THE POLICE.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 30, WHICH IS THE, UH, UH, RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT, UH, UH, PROPOSAL.
I, IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SEAN'S ON, LET'S SEE, THIS IS AMATEUR RADIO.
AND THEY'RE, UH, AND WITH THE RENOVATIONS, THEY HAD TO GET SOME MONEY MM-HMM
IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE NETWORKS.
SO WE HAVE CONTRACT WITH THEM AND THAT'S, THIS IS APPROVING THAT.
SO THAT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THEN.
SO VILLAGE AL DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION ANYMORE.
UH, SO THEY PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
THEY WANT THE TOWN TO, UH, OVERTAKE THE FUNCTIONS.
UH, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THE VILLAGE SHOULD KEEP IT AND HAVE THEIR, UH, HAVE VILLAGE RESIDENTS ON IT.
BUT I AM GOING TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
THEY WANNA HAVE THE TOWN TAKE IT OVER, SO I'M GONNA READ IT AND GO FORWARD WITH IT.
BUT IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD, I WOULD KEEP VILLAGE RESIDENTS THERE.
I MEAN, I MADE A SUGGESTION WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, THE NEXT APPOINTEE SHOULD BE SOMEONE FROM THE VILLAGE ON THAT BOARD, BUT WE KNOW HOW THAT STUFF GOES.
BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND I'LL GO BEFORE, WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, AT LEAST JANETA CLARK'S POSITION HAS BEEN THAT THEY HAVE TROUBLE GETTING PEOPLE TO STAY ON THE BOARD AND SERVE.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTION.
YOU GET CERTAIN PROJECTS, UH, LIKE, UH, THE CVS PROJECT WAS BIG THAT GOT EVERYBODY COMING TO THE MEETINGS, BUT IF IT'S JUST TO COME OUT FOR, UH, READING THE NOTES AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS TO SHOW UP AND I GET IT.
THEY'RE NOT PAID, YOU KNOW, I GET IT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VILLAGE AND THE TOWN, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA END UP BUMPING INTO.
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SEE HOW THAT GOES.CAN I JUST ASK, UM, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS I HAVE A CONCERN HERE.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A SERVICE THAT THE VILLAGE TECHNICALLY IS NOT BEING TAXED FOR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PERFORMING IT.
AND NOW IF WE WILL BE THERE IS A FINANCIAL COST WITH IT, I WILL BRING SOMETHING UP ON THAT POINT.
SO ANYTIME, UH, THE VILLAGE HAS TO HAVE A, A CERTAIN PERMITS, THINGS DONE, THE TOWN GETS THE MONEY.
THE VILLAGE DOESN'T GET ANY OF THE MONEY.
IT'S LIKE A, THERE WAS A $250 TALK ABOUT ROGER ABOUT IT.
THE, IF UH, SOMEONE IN THE VILLAGE COMES FORWARD WITH A CERTAIN PROJECT, UH, THEY PAY THE TOWN $250, THE VILLAGE DOESN'T GET ANY OF THAT MONEY.
SO THE TOWN ALREADY GETS THE MONEY THAT THE VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH, UH, BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SOME APPLICATION FEES THAT YEAH.
THERE'S PAY THAT WOULD COME TO THE TOWN NOW THAT WE'RE TAKING OVER THIS FUNDING.
WELL, THEY ALWAYS HAVE COME TO THE TOWN FOR PLANNING.
NEVER GOT ANY OF, I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, I KNOW LIKE WENDELL, WHENEVER WE HAVE ANY PLANNING OR YOU KNOW, OR SARAH, WE PAY, LIKE, WE PAY SARAH HOURLY.
WENDELL BILLS US HOURLY FOR A LOT OF SERVICES.
ARE WE GOING TO BE TAKING ON ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS THERE? I DON'T THINK MUCH.
IT MAY BE MAYBE I DON'T THINK MUCH.
LIKE IF THE VILLAGE IS BUILT OUT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY, UH, UH, AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG MONSTER PROJECT COMING THROUGH MM-HMM
UNLESS, YOU KNOW, YOU CLEARED A BIG AREA.
I THINK FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING.
WALTER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE IF IT DOES BECOME, IF IT DOES COME TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE ABSORBING COSTS THAT PREVIOUSLY WOULD'VE BEEN CHARGED TO THE VILLAGE, THEY, THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENTS ARE IN A FUND THAT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT TAX THOSE RESIDENTS.
AND WE COULD LEGALLY, UM, HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO, TO CHANGE THAT.
WELL, UH, I MEAN IF THERE ISN'T MUCH OF A COST, IF THERE ISN'T A COST, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT OBVIOUSLY OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENTS DO HAVE BUDGETS.
SAM, IT'S GONNA BE, THEY GET, MIKE KNOWS BETTER THAN RIGHT.
THERE'S, THEY GET ONE OR TWO A YEAR, DON'T THEY? WHAT'S THAT? THEY GET ONE OR TWO APPLICATIONS A YEAR.
YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANY FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET A LITTLE RUN OF 'EM WHEN THERE'S A LITTLE PLOT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED.
UH, THE LAST ONE WAS OUR MAIN STREET GRANT WHERE FOUR OR FIVE APPLICANTS GOT INVOLVED AND THE PLANNING BOARD WAS DOING THAT, BUT THEY DID IT ALL ON THEIR OWN.
THERE WAS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO CALL IN, UM, WEELL OR ANYBODY LIKE MM-HMM
SO, AND THEY'RE STILL DOING THEIR ZONING.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY COST AT ALL.
I'M INCLINED TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.
IF AT SOME POINT THERE IS A COST, WE WILL JUST HAVE TO EVALUATE IT BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO BE TAXED, THAT'S ALL.
WELL, ALRIGHT, WE'LL PASS IT SAM AND WE'LL WAIT AND SEE.
THE FEED HAMBURG PROGRAM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC, UH, UH, FEED HAMBURG, UH, REALLY STEPPED UP AND DID SOME REMARKABLE WORK.
THEY WERE HOUSED AT A CHURCH ON, UH, SCRANTON AND CAMP ROAD SOULS ROAD IN CAMP ROAD.
AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE RELOCATED TO OUR, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AND RECREATION SERVICES BUILDING ON, UH, SO SOUL SOULS ROAD, UH, NEAR SOUTH PARK.
THERE'S SOME SPACE THERE AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
SO, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS THEN TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO DO ON AN ONGOING BASIS, AT LEAST FOR THE FORESEE FUTURE.
SO THE RESOLVE CLAUSE IS THAT THE YOUTH RECREATION SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE ABOVE PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DAY TO DAY MANAGEMENT OF THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES AND ACCOUNT FOR THE REVENUES IT PERCEIVES AND EXPENSE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FUNDED TOTALLY BY VOLUNTEER CONTRIBUTIONS.
THEY MAY GET A GRANT FROM THE COUNTY, UH, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING IT'S BEEN VOLUNTEER FUNDING.
NICOLE DKA HAS INITIATED THAT AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS.
UH, IT'S ONE OF THE GROUPS GETTING MONEY FROM THE CARES ACT FOR US.
AND THAT'S OUR BUILDING OUT THERE ANYWAY, SO YEAH.
NOW MY BIG ONE HERE, THE MCKINLEY WALL AT THE HIRING OF THE ATTORNEY.
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YOUR FEELING OF THAT, LADIES AND GENTS? UH, STILL THAT MY SAME OPINION.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY.
I DON'T SEE HOW US INTERVENING INTO THIS COURT CASE.
IT, I JUST DON'T SEE SPENDING THE MONEY FOR IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK THE, THE MCKINLEY MALL AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, AS WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, THIS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRUCIAL TOPIC FOR THE TOWN.
THERE'S BEEN MANY EFFORTS, UM, ONGOING EFFORTS, AND I, AND THAT'S, UH, VITAL.
THE QUESTION I KNOW, AND I POSED IT IN MY EMAIL, UM, AND IT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT MIKE SAID, HAD TO DO WITH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR, OUR STANDING REALLY IS IN, IN A PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A TAX, UH, FORECLOSURE SITUATION, IT MIGHT EVEN BE DIFFERENT.
BUT GIVEN IT'S A MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE, MY QUESTION IS, I DEFINED PREVIOUSLY IS, WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS GENTLEMAN REALLY FEEL? CAN, CAN HE TRULY, REALLY, UH, DO ANYTHING TO, UM, CHANGE, CHANGE THAT OUTCOME? NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T ALL LIKE THERE TO BE A CHANGE IN THE OUTCOME, AND NOT THAT IT ISN'T A CRUCIAL ISSUE, BUT, UH, TO SPEND MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WON'T CHANGE THAT.
NOW, IF, AND YOU DEFINE SOME THINGS SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU THOUGHT HE COULD DO, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT, WHAT REALISTICALLY, WHAT WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DO HERE IT IS, UH, WE'RE FACED WITH A REALLY COMPLICATED STALEMATE.
UH, THIS FORECLOSURE ACTION WAS COMMENCED IN JULY OF 2018.
THE RECEIVER WAS APPOINTED BY THE COURT A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THE COMMENCEMENT.
THAT'S MR. MEOW FROM FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
THE, UH, A COMPANY THAT DOES THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, THE REPAIR WORK, AND THE UP IS A AFFILIATED COMPANY OF HIS, THE WOODMONT COMPANY CORPORATION.
NOW, THE BANK, INITIAL BANK THAT, UH, HELD THE PRIMARY MORTGAGE, THERE ARE OTHER CREDITORS AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER CREDITORS THERE, UH, HAD AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF $33.3 MILLION.
IN 2018, THAT BALANCE HAS NOW GONE UP TO 38 MILLION AND CHANGE NOTHING, NOT A DARN THING HAS HAPPENED SINCE JULY OF 2018.
THE COURT DIRECTED THAT A MOTION BE FILED FOR AN ORDER OF REFERENCE, WHICH IN ESSENCE IS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS TO GET TO A POINT OF PERHAPS APPOINTING A RE A RE UH, A REFEREE THAT'S A, UH, AN ENTITY, A PERSON OR A CORPORATION THAT WOULD SELL THE PROPERTY AS A RESULT OF THE FORECLOSURE.
A JUDGMENT WOULD BE INJURED, UH, THE REFEREE WOULD SELL.
THE, THE, UH, THE PLAINTIFF OWNER RECEIVER HAS NOT PUT IN AN ANSWER OR A DEFENSE TO THE BANK'S FORECLOSURE.
STILL NOTHING HAS HAPPENED NOW.
SO I CONTACTED, UH, RAY FINK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HE'S PROBABLY THE PREEMINENT MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE GUY WHO HAS THE MOST EXPERIENCE AS A COMMERCIAL REFEREE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN THE TOWN DO OF ANYTHING TO EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO GET A NEW OWNER IN THERE, WE'D LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY IN THERE THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
SO DO WE HAVE STANDING TO INTERVENE AND BECOME A PARTY? MOST LIKELY NOT.
I ASK RAY TO DO A LITTLE READING ON THAT ON HIS DIME.
AND HE, HE'S CONCLUDED THAT WE DON'T, HOWEVER WE CAN GET INTERESTED PARTY STATUS.
THE JUDGE IN THE CASE IS EMILIO COO.
HE TOOK IT OVER FROM JUSTICE CHIMES.
AND I, KNOWING HIM AS WELL AS I DO, I THINK HE WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SURPRISED TO REALIZE THAT THIS CASE HAS GONE NOWHERE.
SO, RAISE OF THE OPINION THAT IF WE ARE DESIGNATED BY THE COURT AS AN INTERESTED PARTY, A NON INTERVENTION, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT, COULD BE NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT, BUT AS AN INTERESTED PARTY, WE CAN MOVE THE RECEIVER.
WE CAN FILE LETTERS AND OBJECTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD.
NOW, THE REASON WE CAN'T DO IT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO WALTER AND, AND MARK WALLING OR JOE SHAW OR, OR, UH, UH, YOUR BROTHER MR. FARRELL, IS WE REALLY NEED, IN MY OPINION, SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS COMMERCIAL FORECLOSURES, WHO SPECIALIZATION IS THAT, AND SOMEBODY WHO IS A RECEIVER, WHO HAS BEEN A RECEIVER IN COMPLEX COMMERCIAL CASES.
SO IF RAY CAN EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS, IF YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN SELL
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AND CAN SEE A REFEREE SELL IT, WE'RE GONNA BE SO MUCH BETTER OFF.'CAUSE THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE THE ASSESSED VALUATION DECLINES, THE GREATER THE VACANCIES, THE MORE THE MALL IS UNATTENDED TO, THE RIPPLE EFFECT ON PERIPHERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, UH, BECOMES MORE SIGNIFICANT.
I UNDERSTAND COVID IS THE BIG, BIG FACTOR HERE, BUT WE'VE LOST FIVE OR SIX RESTAURANTS IN THE PERIPHERY RING WITHIN THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
SO THAT'S THE IDEA HERE, FOLKS.
$7,500 CAP, I THINK IS MONEY, UH, WELL SPENT IF IT, IF I MAY, ISN'T IT UPON THE COURT TO GET THIS THING MOVING? NO.
WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A
NO, NO, YOU'RE COMPLAINING BECAUSE IT STALLED.
WELL, HERE IT IS A GREAT QUESTION AND, AND, UH, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, THE JUDGES WILL ISSUE SCHEDULING ORDERS.
YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS BY THIS DATE, YOU FILE THIS BY THIS STATE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
IN THIS CASE, JUSTICE CHIMES INDICATED THAT BY NOVEMBER OF 2018, THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION FOR A ORDER OF REFERENCE.
THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BANK GOT AN ADJOURNMENT, THEN IT WAS PUSHED FOR ANOTHER ADJOURNMENT.
THEN WE GOT INTO THE COVID DELAY.
SO THAT ORIGINAL DIRECTION BY THE JUDGE GOING BACK TO THE SUMMER OF 18 FOR NOVEMBER, IS NOW COMING UPON TWO YEARS.
NOW THE COURT HAS A BIG, BIG CALENDAR.
SO IF ONE PARTY IS PUNCHING TO MOVE IT ALONG, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GIVE THAT SQUEAKY WHEEL PARTY SOME GREASE.
IN THIS CASE, WOODMONT AND MR. MEADOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THEM, I'M JUST SURMISING THEY HAVE NO GREAT INCENTIVE TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
THEY'RE GETTING PAID, WE'VE LOST THREE OR FOUR OPPORTUNITIES TO GET MEANINGFUL TENANTS IN THAT PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO VACANT SPACE TO FIT THE AUTO BUREAU OR TO FIT THE PARK AVENUE CODE COMPANY, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
NOW, THE BANK, THE BANK IS IN NO HURRY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET IS IN THE TANK THANKS TO C SO THE BANK THAT'S GONNA BE OUT A LOT OF MONEY, WE'RE NEVER GONNA RE 33, 30 $8 MILLION BACK.
RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA SAY, UH, BETTER OFF THAT WE NOT RUSH 2021 MAY BE BETTER THAN 2020 IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS POSSIBILITIES FOR SALES AND SO FORTH.
SO THE ENTITY THAT'S TAKING IT ON THE CHIN AS A RESULT OF THE DELAY, REALLY IS THE TOWN AT HAMBURG.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE RATIONALIZATIONS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE, UH, REGARDING, UH, INQUIRIES ON WHAT THE, THE RATE WAS GOING TO BE AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT CAP.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, WELL, I ASKED HIM, I SAID, LOOK AT RAY, WE WE ARE NOT GONNA, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A THING WHERE THE METER KEEPS RUNNING AND YOU'RE GIVING ME REPORTS AND WE'RE SHARING THEM WITH THE BOARD.
I WANT, IF WE HIRE HIM, I WANT HIM TO COME OUT IN A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER HE'S, UH, PETITIONED THE COURT TO GIVE US A LITTLE SYNOPSIS OF WHERE HE THINKS IT'S ALL GOING.
THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE THE AMOUNT.
I SAID, LOOK, IT, UH, I'M GONNA PUT THAT ON YOU BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE ME A BILL IN SIX MONTHS.
THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO FOR YOU
YOU KNOW? UH, BUT
BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, UH, YOU WERE PRIVILEGED TO HAVE ME ATTEND TO HIS OR HER NEEDS.
WHAT IS HIS SENSE ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR GETTING INTERESTED PART D STATUS? UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST IT CAN BE.
I ASKED HIM IF YOU'RE HIRED, UH, UH, WE'LL SIGN A RETAINER WITH YOU AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU TO, UH, CONTACT THE PARTIES AND JUDGE COLAO TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
THEN COME OUT AND GIVE US A SUMMARY OF WHERE YOU'RE AT.
SO THERE WE'RE LADIES AND GENTS, ANYTHING ELSE? I I WOULD JUST ADD, I I COMPLETELY RESPECT YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE MONEY, AND THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS SPEND LEGAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEND OUR MONEY ON LEGAL COSTS THAT WE DON'T NEED.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I REALLY DO FEEL WE'RE TALKING OVER TWO YEARS.
UM, AND THIS IS A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR, IT'S A $38 MILLION, UH, FORECLOSURE SITUATION, AND IT'S THE BIGGEST COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN OUR TOWN.
AND TO GET A TOP FLIGHT ATTORNEY, UH, THAT SPECIALIZES IN THIS FOR, FOR A CAP OF 7,500, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WANT THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ADDRESSED
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AND, AND AS, AS BEST WE CAN, UH, I THINK WE CAN'T SIT DOWN, SIT BY IDLY AND NOT DO SOMETHING.AND I THINK THIS IS MEANINGFUL, IT'S IMPACTFUL.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING COMPARED TO THE POTENTIAL BENEFIT OF EVEN IF IT'S A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS OR, UH, HOPEFULLY EVEN QUICKER OF AN IMPROVEMENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING MULTIMILLION DOLLARS ON A TAX ASSESSMENT, UM, I THINK IT WILL BE MONEY, YOU KNOW, VERY WELL SPENT.
I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE IT TO THE COURTS TO DO THEIR STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR JOB.
IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS TO BE, WHY ARE WE HAVING TO SPEND TOWN RESIDENTS MONEY TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE DOING TO TRY AND MOVE THIS ALONG FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB? WELL, ONE THING THAT I, I DON'T, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE WHEN IT ALL COMES THROUGH, I MEAN, I, I HAVE A FEELING HE'S GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT I CAN WRITE A LETTER
YOU WANNA HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE PUSHING, UH, THE JUDGES AND, AND GETTING INVOLVED AND STATING YOUR CASE.
AND WE'RE REPRESENTING THE TAXPAYERS.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, UH, PUSHING THIS.
AND BY MAKING, UH, THIS VERY SMALL, UH, GESTURE, IT'S AT LEAST MOVING US IN DIRECTION THAT INSTEAD OF SITTING BY IDLY FOR TWO YEARS WITHOUT ANY VOICE WHATSOEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS AT LEAST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE STRENGTH.
AND, AND, UH, IT TAKES ATTORNEYS TO DO THAT.
WHEN YOU'RE IN COURT PROCEEDINGS LIKE THIS, IN MY OPINION, OPINION FROM MY FINANCE OPINION, MY OPINION IS, IS THAT WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE TOWN'S LOSSES? OKAY, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES, RIGHT? WE'RE GETTING PAID, YOU KNOW, OR THE COUNTY'S MAKING US WHOLE, WHATEVER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENT IS GOING DOWN.
WELL, REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF OUR TOUGH LUCK UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS HERE.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT STORES GO IN THERE AND GO OUT OF THERE.
OKAY? UH, AND AGAIN, IT, IT'S THE JOB TO ENFORCE THEIR EDICTS THAT THEY PUT DOWN AND GET THIS THING GOING.
AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, HEY, I HOPE I'M WRONG, YOU KNOW, BUT TO ME, I JUST DON'T SEE IT AND I DON'T SEE SPENDING 7,500 BUCKS TO DO THIS WHEN WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS AND WE'RE CUTTING EVERYWHERE ELSE.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT SEAN'S SAYING.
I THINK THE DRIVING FACTOR FOR ME, UM, IS WHAT THAT SAID TOO, IS THAT THERE'S A CAP ON IT.
UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE.
THIS IS A CAUTIOUS WAY TO DO IT.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT SAVING MONEY AND TO NOT, YOU KNOW, BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT SPENDING.
HOWEVER, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY THAT IF WE DON'T MAKE SOME SORT OF ATTEMPT TO MOVE IT ALONG, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE OF THE COURT OR NOT, IF WE DON'T MAKE SOME SORT OF ATTEMPT, IT MAY BE COSTING US IN THE FUTURE THROUGHOUT THIS, JUST STAY IN A HOLDING PATTERN.
SO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU PRESENTED THE FEES, YOU PRESENTED THE CAP, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST ADD FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED WHERE THE MARKET IS AT NOW AND HOW THEY POSSIBLY WOULDN'T WANNA SELL RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, GETTING LESS MONEY FOR IT IF IT GOES TO A LOWER, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOWER PRICE THAN IT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE.
I MEAN, THAT'S MORE MONEY THAT CAN BE REINVESTED POSSIBLY INTO THE FACILITIES, UM, TO BENEFIT THE TOWN IN THE LONG TERM.
WELL, WE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT, WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT WHITE ELEPHANT THERE AND IT IS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER.
THE PROBLEM WILL NOT ADDRESS ITSELF THE PASSAGE OF TIME.
THERE IS NO INCENTIVE ON THE PART OF EITHER LITIGANT, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, TO MOVE THIS CASE FORWARD.
UH, AND IF WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD TO GET A RESULT THAT GETS US TO A POINT WHERE WE GET A DEVELOPER IN THERE THAT CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY, THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO US WILL BE FANTASTIC.
AND THE SOONER WE GET MOVING ON IT, THE SOONER WE CAN HOPE TO, UH, REAP SOME OF THE BENEFITS.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS, SO HOWEVER YOU WANNA VOTE, YOU VOTE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ABOUT AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK, UH, HOUR HERE.
SO, UH, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UM, I'LL ASK THE TOWN CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE SUPERVISOR.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WOULD YOU BE GOOD ENOUGH TO RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU.
MY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO, TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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OKAY.UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA.
UH, MS. HOPE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD IS HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS AS FOLLOWS.
JULY 20TH, 2020, TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.
JULY 20TH, 2020, TOWN BOARD EXECUTIVE SESSION.
JULY 20TH, 2020, TOWN BOARD, REGULAR SESSION, AUGUST 3RD, 2020, TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION, AUGUST 3RD, 2020, TOWN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
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SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO BETH FARRELL WHO WILL READ A PROCLAMATION.
UH, I BELIEVE DR. STOKES IS HERE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF OUR, UM, BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF HERE.
ARE THEY ALSO WONDERFUL? WE'LL COME UP HERE.
UH, SURE IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME UP WITH YOU, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WE'RE THRILLED THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND RESOLUTION HONORING PENN.
DIXIE IS CELEBRATING THEIR 25TH ANNIVERSARY, THE 25TH SEASON, AND IT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND KEN DIXIE AND
SO IN RECOGNITION OF KEN DIXIE FOSSIL PARK AND NATURE PRESERVE, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZED COMMUNITY ASPIRATIONS IN TRANS, UH, TO TRANSFORM THE FORMER PEN DIXY CEMENT COMPANY FOR QUARRY INTO A GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED FOSSIL SITE UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE HAMBURG NATIONAL HISTORY SOCIETY.
AND WHEREAS IN 1995, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG COMMENCED THIS TRANSFORMATION WITH THE PURCHASE AND DEEDING OF 32 SCIENTIFICALLY INVALUABLE ACRES OF THE QUARRY TO THE HAM NATURAL HISTORY SOCIETY.
AND WHEREAS THE HNHS AIMS TO FOSTER THE HANDS-ON STUDY OF THE NATURAL SCIENCES, INCLUDING ASTRONOMY, GEOLOGY, AND ECOLOGY THROUGH THE OPERATION OF APPEND DIXIE FOSSIL PARK AND NATURE PRESERVED AS AN EDUCATIONAL TOURIST ATTRACTION FOR INDIVIDUALS OF ALL AGES AND BACKGROUNDS AND FULFILLS THIS MISSION THROUGH CLASSROOM EDUCATION, YOUTH AND ADULT PROGRAMMING AND LECTURES AND COMMUNITY EVENTS ANNUALLY SERVING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS.
AND WHEREAS IN 2011 PEN DIXIE WAS RANKED THE NUMBER ONE FOSSIL PARK IN THE UNITED STATES BY THE GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF AMERICA.
AND WHEREAS PEN DIXIE HAS BEEN REVERED AS AN INTERNATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE FOR GEOLOGIC STUDY, PARTICULARLY FOR 380 MILLION YEAR OLD DEVONIAN ERA FOSSILS, AND IT HAS ASSISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOSSIL PARKS AROUND THE GLOBE, INCLUDING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CENTER FOR HIMALAYAN GEOLOGY AND CASHMERE.
IT SELLS NOW AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PARK.
AND WHEREAS IN RECOGNIZING PEN DIXIE'S SIGNIFICANCE IN GLOBAL GEOLOGIC STUDY, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD RESOLVED IN 2018 THAT HAMBURG NEW YORK IS THE HOME OF THE TRIAL BIKES.
AND WHEREAS PEN DIXIE HAS FOSTERED HOMEGROWN RECOGNITION OF AN APPRECIATION FOR THE VALUE IN UNDERSTANDING THE NATURAL HISTORY OF OUR ENTIRE REGION, AND WHEREAS ITS SUCCESS IS FUELED BY THE ENERGY AND VISION OF RELENTLESSLY PASSIONATE AND DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS TO PRESERVE AND EXPAND THIS MISSION.
WITH PARTICULAR NOTE IN THE COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP OF EILEEN I, GANOR AND SHEILA PELLEY, FORMER
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE SUCCESSES OF THE PENDENCY FOSSIL PARK AND NATURE PRESERVE AND ITS CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BE IT FURTHER RESULT THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONGRATULATES THE ORGANIZATION ON CELEBRATING 25 SEASONS OF OPERATION AND WISHES IT ONGOING SUCCESS IN BUILDING UPON AN ALREADY CHERISHED LEGACY.
AND BE IT FURTHER THE RESOLVE THAT OCTOBER 3RD, 2020 SHALL BE OBSERVED AS PEN DIXIE DAY IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
THE PROCLAMATION IS SIGNED BY SUPERVISOR SHAW AND BY MY COLLEAGUES, COUNCILMAN CONNOLLY, COUNCILWOMAN HOPE, COUNCILMAN PETRI AND MYSELF, WE CONGRATULATE YOU.
THIS REALLY IS A WONDERFUL SITE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE ARE THRILLED FOR YOUR SUCCESS IN THE PAST AND ONGOING.
I KNOW YOU SERVE SO MANY OF OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT THERE ARE TO FOLLOW.
UH, WE ALSO WANT TO ANNOUNCE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT ON OCTOBER 3RD, THAT WILL BE PEN DIXIE
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DAY IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, HAMBURG, RESIDENTS WILL GET ADMITTANCE FOR FREE.THERE IS INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN CALL AHEAD OR WHERE YOU CAN, UH, RESPOND AHEAD OF TIME AND GET YOUR TICKETS.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY ON BEHALF OF THE HAMBURG NATURAL HISTORY SOCIETY, UH, PIXIE, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO THE TOWN, UH, FOR GETTING US IN THIS POSITION, FOR SEEING THE DERELICT PROPERTY AS THE GEOLOGICAL TREASURE THAN IT COULD BE.
UH, AND 25 YEARS LATER, HERE WE ARE.
UH, SO WE APPRECIATE THIS VERY MUCH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN IN THE FUTURE.
UNANIMOUS THEN UNANIMOUS UNANIM.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLVE THAT THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTS THE FOLLOWING MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2020, UH, OCTOBER THE FIFTH, OCTOBER THE 26TH, NOVEMBER THE SECOND, NOVEMBER THE 16TH, DECEMBER THE SEVENTH.
THE OCTOBER 26TH MEETING WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRE COMPANY'S BUDGET HEARING WILL BE ON NOVEMBER THE 16TH FOR THE ADOPT FOR THAT BUDGET ADOPTION AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE THAT ALL MEETINGS WILL BEGIN WITH A WORK SESSION AT 4:30 PM FOLLOWED BY THE REGULAR MEETING BEGINNING AT 7:00 PM FOR THE ABOVE STATED MEETING DATES EXCEPT NOVEMBER THE 16TH AND DECEMBER THE SEVENTH, WHICH WILL BEGIN WHEREIN THE WORK SESSIONS WILL BEGIN AT 5:30 PM AND THE REGULAR MEETING, OF COURSE WILL START AT 7:00 PM IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND? OKAY, ON THE QUESTION.
KAREN RESOLVED THAT THE TOM BOARD APPROVES THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN PROMOTING JONATHAN WRIGHT TO THE VACANT POSITION OF DETECTIVE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020.
THE VACANCY WAS CREATED WHEN OFFICER PAUL RANDALL REQUESTED TO BE REASSIGNED TO PATROL ON JULY 19TH, 2020.
MR. WRIGHT IS CURRENTLY ON THE DETECTIVE CIVIL SERVICE LIST.
EXAM NUMBER 73 DASH THREE 14 SALARY IS 46 63 PER HOUR AND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN B 3 1 12 0.10.
SECOND IS MR. PETRI ON THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOLLOWING INTO THE BIG TREE.
WHAT'S, OH, I APOLOGIZE CAPTAIN, GO AHEAD.
UH, I'M KEVIN EZ, UH, KEVIN TEXAS BUREAU AND IT'S UH, MY HONOR, UH, TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, JOHN WRIGHT HAS BEEN A PATROLMAN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR, UH, 10 YEARS NOW.
ANYTHING WE ASK HIM TO DO, HE DOES.
UM, PRIOR TO BEING WITH THE DEPARTMENT, HE WITH PROBATION, SO I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD FIT IN THE DETECTIVE BUREAU.
HE HAS BIG SHOES TO FILL WITH PAUL RANDALL LEAVING, BUT I THINK, UH, WE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO DO THE JOB AND I KNOW HE'S GONNA BRING, UH, EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING TO THE POSITION.
SO AGAIN, IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT HIM WITH HIS DETECTIVE BADGE AND WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AT 8:00 AM
NOW ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THE, THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOLLOWING INTO THE BIG TREE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, KAREN BARNES AND MR. DAVID CARBERRY.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND IS MS. FERRELL ON THE QUESTION.
THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MEMBERSHIP TO THE NEWTON ABBOT FIRE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, UH, FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AS FOLLOWS, MR. MATTHEW, UH, NIK IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
SECOND IS KAREN HO ON THE QUESTION.
MR. CONLEY RESOLUTION OF APPOINT MEMBER TO DAR BE RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD POINTS THE FOLLOWING RESIDENT TO THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW FOR A FIVE YEAR TERM ROBERT HUTCHINSON, OCTOBER 1ST, 2020 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND ON THE QUESTION ALL OF DAVID AYE AYE.
BE IT RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF PAUL RANDALL AS DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGER AND APPOINTS NICHOLAS BUNDY AS DEPUTY EMERGENCY MANAGER EFFECTIVE 8 31 20.
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IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.SECOND IS CARRIED HOPE ON THE QUESTION.
MOTION IS CARRIED PLEASANT CREEK PHASE THREE HYDRANT WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PLAN FOR THE PLEASANT CREEK PHASE THREE, WHEREAS TWO FIRE HYDRANTS ARE TO BE INSTALLED IN THE SUBDIVISION TO PROVIDE PROPER FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHEREAS ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF INSTALLATION OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS, IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE TOWN AGREE TO SUCH INSTALLATION AS THE TOWN IS CHARGED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF FIRE HYDRANTS UNDER THE DIRECT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY AND WHEREAS THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN HYDRANT DISTRICT AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE PAYING ASSOCIATED CHARGES TO SUCH DISTRICT AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL TOWN AND COUNTY TAX BILL, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDERS THAT THE INSTALLATION OF THE ADDITIONAL TWO HYDRANTS TO SERVE THE PLEASANT CREEK PHASE THREE WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND IS THEREFORE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION WILL RESULT IN INCREASED REVENUE TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, INCLUDING REVENUE FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
AS SUCH, THE COST TO THE TOWN FOR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS WILL BE OFFSET BY THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE GENERATED BY THE SUBDIVISION.
THE TOWN BOARD AGREES THAT THE COST OF THE HYDRANT MAINTENANCE FEES FOR THE ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS IS BEING INSTALLED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PAID BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THROUGH REVENUES GENERATED BY THE FIRE HYDRANT DISTRICT FOUR.
THIS RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT TWO CERTIFIED COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION BE PROVIDED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR TRANSMITTAL TO THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND IS MR. PETE DO YOU HAVE THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
MOTION IS CARRIED RESULT OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, THAT RETENTION AND DISPOSITION FOR NEW YORK LOCAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS ISSUED PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 57 A OF THE ARTS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS LAW AND CONTAINING LEGAL MINIMUM RETENTION PERIODS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS IS HEREBY ADOPTED FOR USE BY ALL OFFICERS IN LEGALLY DISPOSING OF VALUELESS RECORDS LISTED HEREIN.
FURTHER RESOLVED THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 57 A ONLY THOSE RECORDS WILL BE DISPOSED OF THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN RETENTION AND DISPOSITION SCHEDULE FOR NEW YORK LOCAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS AFTER THEY HAVE MET THE MINIMUM RETENTION PERIODS DESCRIBED THEREIN AND ONLY THOSE RECORDS WILL BE DISPOSED OF THAT DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT ADMINISTRATIVE, FISCAL, LEGAL, OR HISTORICAL VALUE TO MERIT RETENTION BEYOND ESTABLISHED LEGAL MINI MINIMUM PERIODS.
ALRIGHT, ON A QUESTION, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
A AYE AYE MOTION IS CARRIED WHEREAS GREG MARLOW PAID FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A TOOL SHED AT 24 24 AGASY DRIVE LAKEVIEW, NEW YORK, WHEREAS GREG MARLOW DECIDED HE NOT WANT TO LOCATE THE SHED OFF OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT THEREON, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT GREG MARR WILL BE ISSUED A REFUND FOR PERMIT NUMBER 2 2 0 1 2 3 7 IN THE AMOUNT OF $49.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND MR. CONLEY? I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GONNA MOVE TO, UH, TABLE THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH FOR RETIREMENT PURPOSES THE STANDARD WORKDAY AND REPORTING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO RECONCILE SOME POTENTIAL DISCREPANCIES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I'LL SECOND THAT THERE'S A SECOND TO THAT, UH, ON THE QUESTION.
A WE'LL TABLE THIS MATTER PENDING OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, WHICH WILL BE, UH, 9 14 20.
WHEREAS BERKELEY SQUARE OF HAMBURG INCORPORATED GRANTED A UTILITY EASEMENT TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DATED 11 25 98 AND RECORDED IN THE ERIE COUNTY CLARK'S OFFICE ON DECEMBER 28TH, 1998.
AND WHEREAS SAID UTILITY EASEMENT STATED THAT IT SHALL BE BINDING ON THE RESPECTIVE EXECUTORS, ADMINISTRATORS SUCCESSORS AND THE SIGNS OF THE RESPECTIVE PARTIES.
AND WHEREAS BERKELEY SQUARE OF HAMBURG INCORPORATED BY A REFEREE CAN CONVEYED THE REAL PROPERTY SUBJECT TO SAID UTILITY EASEMENT TO NEW BERKELEY SQUARE LLS, UH, ONE LLC BY REFEREE'S DEED DATED MAY 9TH, 2006 AND REPORTED IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ON MAY THE 10TH OF THAT YEAR.
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BERKELEY SQUARE, UH, ONE LLC CONVEYED THE REAL PROPERTY SUBJECT, HE SAID UTILITY EASEMENT TO NEW BERKELEY SQUARE TWO LLC BY BARGAINING SALE DEED DATED MAY NINE, 20 2006 AND RECORDED THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE ON MAY 10TH, 2006.AND WHEREAS NEW BERKELEY SQUARE TWO LLC IS THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE REAL PROPERTY SUBJECT TO SAID UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND ACCORDINGLY, THE SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST HIS RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS OF SAID UTIL TO THE RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS OF SAID UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND WHEREAS NEW BERKELEY SQUARE TWO LLC AND THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DESIRED TO TERMINATE THE UTILITY EASEMENT AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMED THIS EASEMENT WAS SET TO BE ABANDONED AND NOW THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED, CONSIDERATION OF THE ABOVE AND THE COVENANTS SET FORTH HEREIN AND FOR VALUABLE CONSIDERATION, THE RECEIPT AND SUFFICIENCY ARE HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGED, GRANTOR AND GRANTEE AS FOLLOWS, NEW BERKELEY SQUARE, UH, NUMBER TWO LLC IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, HEREBY TERMINATE IN FULL THE UTILITY EASEMENT DATED 11 25 98.
I RECORDED IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE 12 28 98.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MR. PETRIE'S ON THE SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
ANYONE? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OKAY, MS. FERRELL, WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG UTILIZES THE PAYCHECKS PLATFORM PAYCHEX PER VIEW FOR THEIR CURRENT PAYROLL SOFTWARE AND WHEREAS PAYCHEX IS CURRENTLY OFFERING A FREE UPGRADE TO THEIR PAYCHEX FLEX PLATFORM, WHICH INCLUDES VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS WHICH THE TOWN WOULD BENEFIT FROM AND WHEREAS THIS WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO FURTHER INTERNALLY AUDIT THEIR CURRENT PAYROLL OPERATING SYSTEM, INCREASING INTERNAL CONTROLS AND PROCESS EFFICIENCIES.
AND WHEREAS THIS FREE UPGRADE ALSO PROVIDES POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO UTILIZE ADDITIONAL MODULES IN THE FUTURE SO THAT THE SYSTEM IS FULLY INTEGRATED NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED WITH THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE FREE UPGRADE TO THE PAYCHEX FLEX PLATFORM.
RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD ACCEPT THE LOW BID OF $22,344 FROM TOWN DODGE IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK FOR A 2019 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MONEY'S AVAILABLE IN OUR ASSET FORFEITURE ACCOUNT.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A AMENDMENT TO THE PAF THAT'S IN THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA, UM, FOR, UH, ITEM ONE, JONATHAN BAKER.
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH WE WILL GO THROUGH WITH ITEM TWO THROUGH 17, THOSE ARE LIFEGUARDS, UH, THAT ARE NO LONGER, UH, NECESSARY TO BE TERMINATED AS OF SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SO, UH, WOULD THAT, UH, BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE TERMINATION AND HIRING OF PERSONNEL FOR THE YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWS, UH, THESE WILL ALL BE TERMINATIONS IN THE LIFEGUARD POSITION.
PAIGE DUFFY, SEAN DUFFY, JULIA BERNSTEIN, EMILY GALLES, MOLLY KAZA, MARISSA MCDONALD, JOHN MAYER, CONNOR O'BRIEN, PAIGE PASCARELLA, RYAN PENSKI, MCKENNA RYAN, JOSHUA SKELLY.
OLIVIA STERNS, BENJAMIN TAYLOR, ELIZABETH TRIP ADDISON WRIGHT.
I'LL SECOND THAT, UH, ON THE QUESTION.
RESOLVED THAT THE HAMMER TOWN BOARD, THIS HEREBY APPROVED PERSONNEL CHANGE WAS DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT.
THE ATTACHMENT SHOWS WE'VE GOT TWO PART-TIME SEASONAL CLERKS FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION IS ON THE QUESTION.
ANYBODY, THESE ARE TWO PART-TIME CLERKS FOR A COUPLE WEEKS TO HELP US PROCESS PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS THAT ARE DUE ON OCTOBER THE 15TH.
WHEREAS ON JUNE 8TH, 2020, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE AND ADVERTISE A BID FOR THE 2020 VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE CDBG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT AND WHEREAS THE BIDS WERE OPENED ON AUGUST 12TH, 2020 AT 11:00 AM WITH THE FOLLOWING FIRMS SUBMITTING BIDS AND PRICES COMPANY, UH, TO AND ASPHALT WITH A TOTAL BID OF $35,125 AND 50 CENTS OKINO WITH A TOTAL BID OF $50,403 E AND R GENERAL CONSTRUCTION WITH THE BID OF $54,067 AND 50 CENTS
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AMERICAN PAVING AND EXCAVATING WITH A BID OF $61,154 AND 50 CENTS AND FOURTH GENERATION CONSTRUCTION WITH A TOTAL BID OF $71,607 $17.NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THOMAN ASPHALT TO COMPLETE THE 2020 VILLAGE OF BLAZED L-C-D-V-G INFRASTRUCTURE.
PROJECT FUNDING IS IN ACCOUNT CD 4 6 8 6 6 2 0.354.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTIONS CARRIED BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO PROCEED WITH THE FOLLOWING CDBG CARES ACT PROJECTS BASED UPON ITS AWARD OF CARES ACT FUNDING FROM THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HUD SPECIFIC PROJECTS TO ADDRESS THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC CCBG CARES ACT FUNDING IN THE TOTAL OF $246,000 $246,441, UH, PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION 36,441 HOUSING AND FAIR HOUSING AND LEGAL SERVICES COUNSELING 30,000 EVICTION ASSISTANCE HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM, 130,000 FOOD PANTRY SERVICES.
ALRIGHT ON THE QUESTION ANYWAY, MR. TRA LEADS ON A SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED C-D-B-G-C-V CARES ACT FUNDING IN JULY, 2020 TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS ISSUES RELATING TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND WHERE AN EXPANSION OF HIS EXISTING SERVICES FOR HOUSING COUNSELING FAIR HOUSING COUNSELING AND LEGAL SERVICES FOR HAMBURG RESIDENTS WOULD EQUATE TO AN EXPANSION OF SET SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND BE ELIGIBLE FOR USE WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CDBG CARES ACT FUNDING NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT CHANGE ORDERS WITH THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THEIR EXISTING SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, UTILIZING THE TOWN CDBG CARES ACT FUNDS FOR COVID-19 PANDEMIC RELATED ACTIVITIES, THE ORGANIZATION'S ACTIVITY AND CARES ACT FUNDS ADJUSTMENT ARE AS FOLLOWS.
BELMONT BELMONT HOUSING RESOURCES OF WESTERN NEW YORK BUDGET CREDIT AND DEBT COUNSELING $5,000 CENTER FOR ELDER LAW AND JUSTICE LEGAL EVICTION.
UH, 7,500 HOME INCORPORATED FAIR HOUSING MOBILITY SERVICE, 10,000 NEIGHBORHOOD LEGAL SERVICE, LEGAL AND EVICTION SERVICE.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS ON JULY 20TH, 2020, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE AND ADVERTISE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS RFP FOR FOOD PANTRY SERVICES VIA C-D-B-G-C-B FUNDS IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 CRISIS.
AND WHEREAS THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATION SUBMITTED PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE SAID SERVICES, FEED HAMBURG ST.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH THE ABOVE ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES FOR THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY UTILIZING TOWN OF HAMBURG CDBG CARES ACT FUNDING.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T LOOK OVER SO SORRY.
WHERE IS TWO? PREPARE FOR ANY UPCOMING FY 2021 CDBG FUNDING.
THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MUST HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS TO SEEK CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AND INPUT OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT AND HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM FUNDS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESULT THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO HOLD SAID PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE FOLLOWING DATES AND TIMES, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2020 5:00 PM AND 6:30 PM AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, 30 PM AT BLAZEDALE VILLAGE HALL, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2020 5:00 PM AT 6:30 PM AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, 2020 4:00 PM AT HAMBURG TOWN, AT HAMBURG VILLAGE HALL AND MONDAY OCTOBER 19TH, 2020 5:00 PM
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AT 6:30 PM AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL.BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT NOTICE OF THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS BE PUBLISHED WITHIN THE OFFICIAL TOWN NEWSPAPER.
SECOND IS MR. CONLEY ON THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR A AYE THANK YOU.
WHEREAS PROSPECT LAW CEMETERY ASSOCIATION INC PRESENTLY OPERATES THE PROSPECT LAWN AND CEMETERY LOCATED ON 65 61 GOWANA STATE ROAD, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS PROVIDED TO TOWN RESIDENTS BY THE PROSPECT LAW AND CEMETERY ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED AND WHEREAS GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW SECTION 1 65 DASH A PROVIDES THAT QUOTE ANY MUNICIPAL CORPORATION MAY APPROPRIATE AND PROVIDE FUNDING TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE 15 OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION LAW.
IN LIEU OF OR IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING FUNDING TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION, ANY MUNICIPAL CORPORATION MAY PROVIDE GOODS AND OR SERVICES TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE 15 OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION LAW AND WHEREAS THE TOWN IS WILLING TO ASSIST PROSPECT LAWN TO SEE THESE PROGRAMS CONTINUE NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RENEWED THE RENEWS, THE AGREEMENT WITH PROSPECT LAW CEMETERY ASSOCIATION TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND FUNDING IN MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS OF $1,500 CONVINCING ON 9 1 20 THROUGH AUGUST 31ST, 2021 THE AGREEMENT SHALL TERMINATE ON AUGUST 31ST, 2021 UNLESS A SUCCESSOR AGREEMENT IS MADE AND EXECUTED BEFORE THE TERMINATION DATE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? SECOND.
SECOND IS KAREN HOPE ON THE QUESTION.
BE IT RESULT THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY AUTHORIZE THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ADVERTISE ONE A CONSTRUCTION BID FOR THE AC ACCESSIBILITY RAMP AND TWO REQUEST FOR QUOTATIONS FOR ACCESSIBLE ME ROOM TRAILER, BOTH PROJECTS TO BE COMPLETED AT THE HAMBURG TOWN BEACH.
FUNDING FOR PUBLICATIONS IS AVAILABLE IN CD 45 8 6 6 2 0.362.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE TOWN ENGINEER TO SEND OUT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ENTITLED TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK.
REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR LAKE AVENUE CROSSWALK.
REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ARE SUB ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2020 AT 11:00 AM THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS IS ATTACHED IN THE AGENDA.
MOTION WITH MR. CONLEY ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS SMITH ROAD IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET LOCATED BETWEEN PLEASANT AVENUE AND LAKEVIEW ROAD IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND WHERE THE SHAPE OF THE ROAD CREATES TWO SHARP 90 DEGREE TURNS AT THE APPROXIMATE MIDPOINT OF THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD AND WHEREAS THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS OF THE 90 DEGREE DEGREE TURNS IN THE ROAD AS WELL AS INCIDENTS OF PROPERTY DAMAGE BY SPEEDING VEHICLES.
AND WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG? TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR REQUESTED THAT THE HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT SPEED WAGON BE INSTALLED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME ON SMITH ROAD TO POST DRIVER SPEEDS AND DETTER SPEEDING.
AND WHERE IS THE RESIDENCE OF SMITH ROAD HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THE SPEED WAGON DID NOT POSITIVELY IMPACT DRIVING BEHAVIORS AND WHERE IS THE RESIDENCE OF SMITH ROAD ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF DRIVER'S, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, AND RESIDENTS DUE TO SPEEDING VEHICLES.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD HAS VOTED AND APPROVED THE INSTALLATION OF TWO B.
A GOOD NEIGHBOR SLOW DOWN SIGNS FOR SMITH ROAD, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD SHALL AUTHORIZE AND GRANT PERMISSION FOR THE SIGNS TO BE IN INSTALLED ON SMITH ROAD AND PLEASANT AVENUE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET AND ON SMITH ROAD AND LAKEVIEW ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT DB 0.511 0.0205 SIGNS AND SIGNALS AND BE FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF C TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR SHALL GENERATE THE REQUIRED WORK ON ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED.
SECOND IS MR. PETRI I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WHEREAS THESE PARKING VIOLATIONS AMENDMENTS ARE BEING ADOPTED TO INCREASE THE TOWN PARKING VIOLATION FINES TO ASSIST THE TOWN TO FINANCIALLY PROMOTE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND ITS RESIDENTS.
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THE LOCAL LAW SECTION 180 5 DASH EIGHT OF THE TOWN CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BE AMENDED TO PROVIDE AS FOLLOWS, ANY PERSON, FIRM OR CORPORATION PERMITTING ANY VEHICLE TO REMAIN PARKED OR STANDING ON ANY STREET CONTRARY TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CODE SHALL UPON CONVICTION BE PUNISHED BY A MINIMUM FINE OF $50 AND A MAXIMUM FINE NOT TO EXCEED $150.WHEREAS THE LOCAL LAW SECTION 180 1 0.21 OF THE TOWN CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BE AMENDED TO PROVIDE AS FOLLOWS, THE DRIVER OF SAID MOTOR VEHICLE ENTERING SAID PARK WITHOUT DISPLAYING A VALID USE PERMIT SHALL BE GUILTY OF AN OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY A MI MINIMUM FINE OF $50 AND A MAXIMUM FINE NOT TO EXCEED $150.
WHEREAS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE LOCAL LAWS SHALL APPLY TO ALL PARKING VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS ALL AS UH, AS WELL AS PARKING AT THE HAMBURG TOWN PARK WITHOUT A VALID USE PERMIT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WHEREAS THESE LOCAL LAWS SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON THE FILING, UH, WITH THE NEW YORK SECRETARY OF STATE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD IS PROPOSING TO ENACT A LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER FOUR OF 2020, WHICH IS LISTED ABOVE HERETO, WHICH SHALL APPLY WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE.
A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JULY 20TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM FOR DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER FOUR OF 2020 AND THEREFORE BE INFER FINALLY RESOLVED THAT THIS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER FOUR OF 2020 IS BEING ADOPTED TO INCREASE THE TOWN PARKING VIOLATION FINES TO ASSIST THE TOWN TO FINANCIALLY PROMOTE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND ITS RESIDENCE IS HEREBY ADOPTED.
SECOND IS MR. CONLEY ON THE QUESTION.
A THE MOTION IS CARRIED WHEREAS THE TOWN IS DESIROUS OF MAXIMIZING THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AT THE LEAST POSSIBLE COST TO TAXPAYERS AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMFORD RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS ATTEMPTING TO COORDINATE THE NUMEROUS RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN THE TOWN AND WHEREAS STARS CURRENTLY PROVIDES EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS TO FILL THE ROLE AS WHEN, WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS.
END QUOTE TO THE TOWN UNDER FEMA AND ICS GUIDELINES AND IS DESIROUS OF CONTINUING THE PROGRAM AND WHEREAS STARS ACKNOWLEDGES THE TOWN IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL BUILDINGS AND OR STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECREATIONAL FACILITY, ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE NIKE BASE SITUATED ON LAKEVIEW ROAD IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
NOW THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RENEWS THE AGREEMENT WITH STARS AND THE SUPERVISOR WHO'S AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? ONE SECOND.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS THE VILLAGE OF BLAS, I ADOPTED A RESOLUTION ON AUGUST 7TH, 2020, DISSOLVING ITS PLANNING BOARD AND TURNING OVER ALL OF ITS PLANNING FUNCTIONS TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, EFFECTIVE ON THE DATE OF THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS AUTHORITY TO EXTEND PLANNING SERVICES AND ENTERTAIN PLANNING APPLICATIONS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM.
SO THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ASSUMES ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN ALL PLANNING, WOULD IT BE ON ON BEHALF OF THE VILLAGE? UH, YES.
ON BEHALF OF THE VILLAGE, ALL PLANNING FUNCTIONS FORMERLY DISCHARGED BY THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE PLANNING BOARD PRIOR TO ITS DISSOLUTION, WHICH MAY ARISE AFTER AUGUST 7TH, 2020 AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE TO AFFECT THE TRANSFER OF ALL PLANNING APPLICATIONS AND RELEVANT ELECTRONIC OR WRITTEN DATA NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH THE FOREGOING.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS THE EFFECTS OF THE 2020 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC HAD MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY LOSING INCOME DUE TO ECONOMIC, DOWN THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN AND, AND OR WERE ISOLATED DUE TO GOVERNMENT OPPOSED RESTRICTIONS AND OR HAD HEALTH CONCERNS RELATED TO GOING OUT IN PUBLIC.
AND WHEREAS A VOLUNTEER GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION SPRANG UP TO MEET THE BASIC
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NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO WERE STRUGGLING DUE TO THE ABOVE NOTED FACTORS.AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RE COUNTY LEGISLATOR JOHN GILMORE AND THE OLD TIME BAPTIST CHURCH STEPPED UP TO OFFER TANGIBLE SUPPORT OF THIS EFFORT.
AND WHEREAS AFTER FIVE MONTHS OF SERVICE TO THOSE RECEIVING ASSISTANCE, THERE REMAINS A CONTINUED NEED TO OFFER AID TO SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS AVAILABLE SPACE AND PROPERTY OWNED ON SOULS ROAD TO HOUSE THIS ONGOING OPERATION AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN MANAGING ALL ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTINUATION OF THIS SERVICE.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FORMALLY ADOPTS FEED HAMBURG AND ITS MISSION TO OFFER ASSISTANCE TO QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE YOUTH RECREATION SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT SHALL ADMINISTER THE ABOVE PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES IN ACCOUNT FOR THE REVENUES IT RECEIVES AND EXPENSE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND CARRIED HOPE ON THE QUESTION.
WHEREAS THE MCKINLEY MALL IS THE SUBJECT OF A COMMERCIAL FORECLOSURE, A PROCEEDING THAT WAS INITIATED ON JULY THE 16TH, 2018 AND WHEREAS THE CLOUD OF THE PENDING FORECLOSURE ACTION ALONG WITH EXTRA EXTRANEOUS ECONOMIC FACTORS HAVE IMPEDED ANY ATTEMPTS AT REVITALIZING THE MCKINLEY MALL.
AND WHEREAS WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE MORTGAGE E SECURED THE APPOINTMENT OF A RECEIVER SHORTLY AFTER THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE FORECLOSURE ACTION IN JULY OF 2018 AND THE RECEIVER WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE WOODMONT COMPANY, A RELATED PAR PARTY AS THE MALL'S PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND WHEREAS THE NEW YORK STATE SUPREME COURT FIRST DIRECTED THE MORTGAGE E PLAINTIFF TO FILE A MOTION FOR AN ORDER OF REFERENCE ON AUGUST THE SECOND 2018, WHICH WAS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE 12 17 18.
AND WHEREAS TO THIS DATE OF AUGUST, 2020, NO MOTION FOR AN ORDER OF REFERENCE HAS BEEN FILED AND THE MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE PROCEEDING HAS LANGUISHED FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
AND WHEREAS THERE HAS BEEN NO ADDITIONAL MOTION DURING THIS TIME TO APPOINT A REFEREE TO OVERSEE A PUBLIC SALE OF THE MCKINLEY MALL PROPERTIES AND WHEREAS THE MCKINLEY MALL CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE, RETAIL VACANCIES PERSIST AND THE MALLS ASSESS VALUATION HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS WITH NO PROSPECT OF A TURNAROUND OF THAT PROPERTY'S FAIR MARKET VALUE.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CANNOT REMAIN IDLE IN THE FACE OF THE CONTINUED DETERIORATION OF THE MALL AND ABSORB THE ADVERSE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT SUCH DETERIORATION IS HAVING, NOT ONLY UPON THE ASSESSED VALUATION OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF BUT ON THE VALUES OF ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF BERT RETAINS THE SERVICES OF LIPS, MATTHIAS WEXLER AND FRIEDMAN, RAYMOND FINK, ESQ OF COUNSEL FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL SERVICES FOR A TOTAL EXPENDITURE OF A SUM NOT EXCEEDING $7,500 BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT MR. F SHALL CONSIDER THE PROSPECT OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S FORMAL INTERVENTION INTO THE FORECLOSURE ACTION PROVIDING THAT HE DEEMS THERE TO BE A LEGAL AND FACTUAL BASIS FOR DOING SO, OR THAT HE SECURE A STATUS FROM THE NEW YORK STATE SUPREME COURT OR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO BE DESIGNATED AS AN INTERESTED NON-PARTY TO FACILITATE COMMUNICATIONS AMONG THE LITIGANTS AND THE COURT ITSELF WITH A VIEW TO EXPEDITING THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS TO THE POINT WHEREIN A SALE OF ALL PROPERTIES CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OKAY, NOW I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT TO NOW GO TO OUR AUDIT STATEMENT OF FINANCES.
UH, THE TOM BOARD AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS AS OF TODAY, 8 31 20 TOTALS $1,727,393 81 CENTS.
THAT'S THE TOTAL OPERATING FUND DISBURSEMENTS.
AND THE TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENTS, WHICH HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT ARE $3,127,045 AND 72 CENTS
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THIS STATE.I MOVE THAT WE RECEIVED AND FILED THIS STATEMENT ACCORDINGLY.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
OKAY, NOW, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THE FORMAL AGENDA.
WHAT WE NOW DO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF YOU THAT WANT TO SAY SOME THINGS, SO I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU WAITING TOO LONG.
LET ME GET THROUGH THE, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.
UH, THEY'RE WITH US VIRTUALLY FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, BRIDGET, OUR COURT, UH, OUR CHIEF COURT CLERK.
ARE YOU WITH US? I'VE GOT AN UPDATE FROM BRIDGET.
UM, CRIMINAL COURT IS IN FULL SWING.
THEY HAVE SESSIONS THREE TIMES A WEEK.
UH, TRAFFIC MATTERS ARE STILL BEING HANDLED, UM, BY THE MAIL, UH, EXCEPT FOR THEIR SCHEDULING WHEN SOMEBODY REJECTS THE PLEA OFFER AND EVICTION HEARINGS ARE STILL SUSPENDED AS PER THE GOVERNOR'S GUIDANCE.
UH, SAMANTHA RASINSKI WAS HERE DURING THE WORK SESSION AND WENT OVER WITH US, UH, VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES FOR, UH, BONDING, UH, CAPITAL PROGRAMS AND OTHER FINANCIAL QUESTIONS.
SAM, IF YOU'RE HOME, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA TELL US? OKAY.
ALYSSA STRAUSS WAS HERE ALSO, UH, IN PERSONNEL.
UH, ALYSSA, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? ALYSSA'S ANTICIP.
ANTICIPATING THE BIRTH OF A BABY, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANNA ANY DAY NOW.
ALRIGHT, JENNIFER ROBERTSON? UH, INTERNET TECHNOLOGY.
ANYTHING FROM JENNIFER? NOTHING TO REPORT.
ROGER GIBSON, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, CAMMI JARRELL AND TOM LARDO IN ENGINEERING.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TELL US? NO, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT.
PROJECT YOU'VE GOT GOING ON ARE MOVING FORWARD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, PAT RYAN IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, ANYTHING FROM YOU SIR? NOTHING TO REPORT.
UH, AND CHRIS HULL IS HERE FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
CHRIS, ANYTHING? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT.
UM, UH, JENNIFER KOVSKI, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
MARTY, DEKE, YOU WERE HERE EARLIER ON.
ANYTHING FROM YOU, SIR? YES, MR. SUPERVISOR? UH, I WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT HAMBURG BEACH IS CLOSED FOR SWIMMING FOR THE SEASON, UH, DUE TO OUR LIFEGUARDS MOVING ON.
MOST OF 'EM ARE COLLEGE STUDENTS AND THEY HAVE, UH, LEFT SERVICE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, LEFT TO, UH, STAY ON AS WE TRADITIONALLY TRY TO STAY OPEN UNTIL LABOR DAY.
SO THE PARK IS OPEN, BUT THE WATER IS OFF LIMIT FOR THOSE WANTING TO GO IN.
UH, AND I WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO CHRIS HALFORD'S HELP, UH, WITH GETTING, UH, FEE, THE, THE GRANT TO HELP THEM, UH, GET EQUIPMENT AND, AND, UH, NEEDED, UM, ASSISTANCE, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO, UH, KEEP THAT PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD.
UM, CAPTAIN EZ, ANYTHING TO REPORT? NO, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
HOW ABOUT KATHY HINKY OR TOM CLARK? NO REPORT.
ANYTHING NEW? WELL, WE'LL SEE.
DAN, UH, SEAN CRONEY WAS HERE FROM EMERGENCY SERVICES.
SEAN, ARE YOU WITH US STILL? ALRIGHT.
HE WAS HERE FOR YES, I'M OKAY.
UH, SO WE LOCKED OUR REPRESENTATIVE, OUR, UH, ASSIGNED, UH, PROJECT COORDINATOR FROM FEMA LAST MONTH.
SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING CAUGHT UP WITH A NEW, UH, APPOINTED PERSON TO GET US THE REIMBURSEMENTS, UH, MOVING FORWARD AGAIN.
SO, UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT, UH, PROCESS.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE PIECES OF PAPERWORK AND SOME INFORMATION I NEED TO GET FROM A FEW DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS.
AND I THINK WE'LL BE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE CARES ACT, UM, SUBMIT, UM, GET THAT PAPERWORK SUBMITTED.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE GONNA HOST A, UH, NINE 11 REMEMBERED CEREMONY, WHICH WILL BE STREAMLINED ON THE, UM, HAMBURGER EMERGENCY SERVICES FACEBOOK PAGE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE TIME OFF AND REMEMBER, UH, ALL THE SACRIFICES.
UH, JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, WE'RE STILL, UH, PAVING AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT TO DO AND, UH, IT'S GOING VERY WELL.
FEEDBACK HAS BEEN GREAT, OBVIOUSLY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHERE WE'VE ALREADY PAVED.
UH, KATE HILLMAN, TRAFFIC SAFETY, ANYTHING
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WALTER, RUTH AND LEGAL? ANYTHING GOING ON? WALTER? NOTHING I REPORT.AND SARAH DEGER DAN IN PLANNING NOTHING FROM SARAH.
OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NOW TURNS WE TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
ANYBODY WHO CARE TO SAY ANYTHING? YES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HEAR ME BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THROUGH TO ANY OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS.
YOU GET NOTHING BUT AN ANSWERING MACHINE AND NO ONE CALLS YOU BACK EXCEPT FOR MR. SHAW'S SECRETARY.
OKAY? WHO CALLED ME BACK AND GAVE ME HER PERSONAL, UM, EXTENSION.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR ONE YEAR TO GET A LIGHT ON CAMP AND HOWARD ROAD.
THE TRAFFIC THERE IS HORRIBLE.
ANYBODY COMING OUT OF HOWARD ROAD TO MAKE A LEFT OR EVEN A RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO WAIT BECAUSE THE TIMING OF THE LIGHT FOR ON CAMPUS WESTERN AND THE ONE ON, UH, ST.
FRANCIS, THEY NEED TO BE REDONE BECAUSE THEY BOTH COME.
AND THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF QUEEN'S PLACE, THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE A LEFT.
NOW MY THING IS, YOU HAVE FOUR LIGHTS DOWN ON ST.
YOU HAVE ONE LIGHT AT LAKE SHORE AND BIG TREE, ANOTHER LIGHT AT BIG TREE AND BIG TREE AND, AND NEW BIG TREE.
FRANCIS' GRAMMAR SCHOOL IS NO LONGER OPEN.
WHY CAN'T YOU TAKE THE LIGHT FROM LASALLE AND BRING IT UP TO CAMP AND HOWARD? SO I, AND PEOPLE COMING DOWN HOWARD ROAD CAN GET OUT OF THAT ROAD.
I ALMOST GOT HER HIT THIS MORNING, BY THE WAY.
AND I THOUGHT IF I GOT HIT, YOU GUYS WOULD'VE REALLY HIT HEARD ABOUT IT.
UM, YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT A STOP SIGN ON HOWARD ROAD NEAR HEATHER AND THE NEXT BLOCK IS DEERFIELD.
BUT YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PUT A LIGHT AT CAMP AND HOWARD, WHICH WILL PROTECT NOT ONLY PEOPLE LIKE ME, WALKERS AND KIDS ON SCHOOL BUSES.
THE SCHOOL BUSES HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT THERE.
MY GREAT GRANDCHILDREN ARE ON THAT BUS.
IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO 'EM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A BIG, BIG ACCIDENT DOWN ON DELAWARE AVENUE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN GOVERNOR CUOMO SAYS 30 MILES AN HOUR.
AND EVERYBODY DID IT OVERNIGHT.
TAKE THAT LIGHT, BRING IT DOWN.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR MIRACLES, I'M JUST ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MR. SHAW FOR APPROXIMATELY ABOUT A YEAR.
WE DID A PETITION AND THEN WINTER CAME AND THEN THE VIRUS CAME.
SO WE CAN'T GET ANY MORE NAMES RIGHT NOW.
I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH THAT THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR, ON HOWARD.
THERE'S NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING MADE, UH, BEING BUILT DOWN NEAR, UM, RANDOLPH SCHOOL.
PLUS THOSE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE BUILT ON THE CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN AND, UM, HOWARD OVER THERE.
THEY ALL COME DOWN HOWARD ROAD TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO CAMP ROAD.
I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE HAVE GOTTEN HIT, NOTHING MAJOR, WHICH IS VERY GOOD.
BUT EVEN MINOR COSTS A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
UM, I NEED, WHEN I GO TO, WHEN I GO TO TALK TO SOMEBODY, I CALLED SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS THE OTHER DAY AND MY FIRST QUESTION, I CALLED BUILDINGS 'CAUSE SOMEBODY TOLD ME TO CALL BUILDINGS.
MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, DID YOU GO TO A BOARD MEETING? HERE I AM.
I'M, IF I'M WILLING TO SPEAK, I CALLED, I TALKED TO COLLEEN IN BUILDINGS.
SHE WAS GONNA GET BACK TO ME THE NEXT, THAT DAY.
TWO DAYS LATER, SHE GOT BACK TO ME AND KAY HILLMAN, I THINK IT'S H-I-L-L-I-M-I-N, RIGHT? I EVEN CALLED HER OFFICE AND LEFT MY NAME AND NUMBER THERE.
AND SHE HAD COLLEEN CALL ME AND SAY, SEND ME A, UH, AN EMAIL.
SO THEN I PROCEEDED AND I CALLED MR. SEAN.
HE IS A LOT BETTER ON WORDS THAN I
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AM.AND HOWARD, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A HUGE ACCIDENT HAPPEN AND HAVE SOMEBODY KILLED THERE.
TRY TO GET DOWN, TRY TO COME DOWN, HOWARD, SOMETIME DURING BUSY HOURS, TRY TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU THINK YOU GOT IT MADE.
HERE COMES ANOTHER CAR COMING DOWN AND TURNING INTO, UM, HOWARD.
THE CAR THAT ALMOST GOT ME WAS IN THE OUTSIDE LANE, NOT EVEN IN THE TURNING LANE AND TURNED ONTO HOWARD.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA GO STRAIGHT.
AND GUESS WHAT? THEY MADE A LEFT HAND TURN FROM THE OUTSIDE LANE.
I DON'T SEE A POLICEMAN THERE.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STOPPING HIM.
I DON'T SEE 'EM STOPPING HIM FROM SPEEDING, GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT ROAD.
I KNOW FOR A FACT BECAUSE I DO IT MYSELF AND THAT, AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE DONE IT AT ONE TIME.
YOU HAVE TO HELP US OUT AND DO SOMETHING FOR US.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO MY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE IS OR MY AREA TO BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU.
OKAY? SO IF THEY CAN PUT A, A RED, A STOP SIGN ON HEATHERWOOD AND ONE BLOCK LATER PUT ANOTHER STOP SIGN ON DEERFIELD AND CUMBERLAND, THEN WHY CAN'T THEY PUT A RED LIGHT ON, UM, HOWARD AND CAMP? I WANNA KNOW THAT ANSWER.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU.
IT'S ANY TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT COMES IN IS NEW YORK STATE.
WHEN DOWN AT FEDEX, YOU KNOW HOW THEY GOT THE LIGHT THERE? NO.
YEAH, THERE'S A, YOU MISSED THE LIGHT.
THE NEXT LIGHT DOWN IS, IS AT FEDEX.
THAT NICE LIGHT THAT WAS PUT IN REAL QUICK.
DOT HA HAS TRAFFIC SAFETY SENT A LETTER TO.
AND I'VE GOT, WHEN I WAS, UH, I USED TO BE, I WAS A TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR BACK IN 2017 FROM THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT.
TRAFFIC SAFETY TAKES CARE OF IT.
WE ACTUALLY, UH, PETITION THE STATE TO PUT A LIGHT IN AND TO EVALUATE THAT CENTER INTERSECTION.
UH, THEIR ANALYSIS OF THAT INTERSECTION, DESPITE THE FACT IT'S DESIGNED ACTUALLY FOR A LIGHT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE ACTUALLY IS INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TO ALLOW FOR A LIGHT BASED UPON, UH, TRAFFIC.
AT THAT POINT, 2017, I THINK IT WAS, THEY DETERMINED IT WAS NOT
HOWEVER, UH, THEY DID, UH, MAKE, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT CENTER TURN LANE.
MY SISTER USED TO WORK, UH, FOR RANDOLPH, AND SHE NOTED THAT IT IS IN FACT DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF THERE.
UH, SO I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTHWHILE FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, TO REVISIT AND PETITION THE STATE DOT.
AND I BELIEVE THEY DID REVISIT IT.
UM, YEAR, ABOUT A YEAR AFTER THAT.
PARDON? WHAT YEAR? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YEAR AFTER 2000, SE 17, I BELIEVE THEY DID BECAUSE, UM, THE INFORMATION IS CORRECT.
IT'S THROUGH NEW YORK STATE, DOT.
AND I BELIEVE THEY REVISITED IN 2018.
SO THEY'VE SEVERAL TIMES THE TOWN HAS GONE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T REVISIT IT AGAIN, BUT I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN, UM, PETITIONED.
THERE WERE SOME STUDIES, THERE WAS A REQUEST MADE FROM NEW YORK STATE, DOT.
AND I SIGNED A CONVERSATION JUST TO GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER, BUT I SPOKE TO THE DOT ENGINEER AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR A LIGHT THERE.
AND, UH, HE SAID IT WAS NOT WARRANTED.
UH, AND I, AND I DON'T RECALL THE INDIVIDUAL'S NAME.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER END WHERE THERE IS A LIGHT? AND HE ACTUALLY SAID, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THAT INTERSECTION, SOUTHWESTERN CAMP MM-HMM
UH, OR HOWARD, UH, DOES NOT REQUIRE A LIGHT EITHER.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ONE THERE BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT ONE IS NEEDED.
I THINK THE SAME APPLIES TO THE OTHER END OF HOWARD.
UH, SO THEY, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING WISE, THEY FOLLOW THEIR, THEIR METRICS, THEIR THEIR ANALYSIS.
THEY, THEY CRUNCH THEIR NUMBERS.
AND STRICTLY SPEAKING, IT'S KIND OF A GO OR NO GO.
UH, BUT THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU AS A RESIDENT, I THINK, AND WE ALL HAVE INFLUENCE ON A, AT LEAST A REEVALUATION AND MAYBE CONSIDER, UM, A TRAFFIC COUNT STUDY, UH, THAT HAS TO BE APPROPRIATELY TIMED.
FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR WHEN THERE ARE BUS IS GOING THERE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE IMPACT OF A BUS ACCIDENT IS EITHER FAR BIGGER THAN INDIVIDUAL
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VEHICLE ACCIDENT.UH, THAT'S MY, MY THINKING IS THAT WOULD WARRANT REEVALUATION BY DOT AND HOW MANY HOUSES WERE BUILT IN 2019.
IF YOU GO DOWN, DOWN BY SOUTHWESTERN, ALL THAT AREA.
WELL, MISSION HILLS, MISSION HILLS HAS, I THINK 400 SOME RIGHT.
THAT'S, AND THEY HAVE JUST A HARD TIME GETTING OUT AS I DO.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GAME CHANGER OVER THERE.
HAROLD, HERE'S A, HERE'S, HERE'S AN, HERE'S AN UPDATE, UH, FOR YOU.
IN 2018, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR HAD INDICATED THAT A STUDY WAS DONE IN 2017 AND THEREFORE, UH, ASKING THE DOT TO RECONSIDER IT AGAIN, WOULD BE TO NO AVAIL.
I WROTE TO THE DOT REPRESENTATIVE ANYWAY, UH, AND MADE THE PITCH.
THERE ARE WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF THAT INTERSECTION, 2024 HOMES, APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES, PATIO OF HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MOBILE HOMES.
THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY.
IN 2018, THERE WERE OVER 220 UNITS BUILT ON THE OTHER END OF HOWARD ROAD NEAR, UH, RANDOLPH.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
THERE ARE NEW HOMES BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE BROOK GR GARDENS, TOWNHOMES AND PA AND, AND APARTMENTS HAVE INCREASED IN NUMBER.
SO WHEN I DID THE PETITION FOR YOU AND WE GOT WAYLAID BY THE WINTER AND THE VIRUS, WE CAN RESURRECT THAT PETITION.
WE CAN HAVE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD HOPEFULLY PASS A RESOLUTION.
THE TOWN BOARD CAN PASS A RESOLUTION.
HERE'S WHAT THE DOT GUY TOLD ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE TOLD TED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO I SPOKE TO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER.
I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN UPSTAIRS.
IT'S THE PERSON I SENT A LETTER TO.
THEY CLAIM THAT THEY'VE GOTTA MOVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC EXPEDIENTLY THROUGH HAMBURG, INTO THE VILLAGE AND TO THE SOUTHERN TOWNS.
EDEN OR COLLINS, COLLINS, ET CETERA.
AND THAT THERE WERE TOO MANY LIGHTS THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, BIG TREE AND ST.
THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ABOUT 150 YARDS UP THE STREET TO FACILITATE THE KIDS CROSSING FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL TO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND BACK AGAIN.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT LASALLE THAT'S IN THE ALE SPRINGS COMMUNITY.
THOSE HOMES THERE, MOST ALL OF IT PREDATE WORLD WAR II.
THAT, THAT SECTION OF OUR TOWNSHIP HAS NOT GROWN AT ALL IN THE LAST 50 YEARS.
I FOUND OUT THAT IN 1955, OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS IN, WAS INSTALLED ON THE STATE ROAD THERE BECAUSE K UH, KINDERGARTEN THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE AT ST.
FRANCIS OF ASSI SCHOOL HAD STUDENTS THAT HAD ACROSS THE STREET FOR RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION TO ST.
FRANCIS HIGH SCHOOL BEFORE THEY BUILT THEIR COMMUNITY CHURCH ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY USED TO, THEY USED TO SEND THE KIDS IN THE FIFTIES, I'M TOLD TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT CAME ABOUT TODAY.
THE NEED FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE IS GREATLY DIMINISHED.
THERE ARE NO KIDS ATTENDING THAT SCHOOL.
IT'S BEEN OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, BUSINESS FOR YEARS.
SO I'VE USED THAT ARGUMENT IN OUR MOST RECENT LETTER TO THE STATE DOT.
I'LL GET AHOLD OF MS. HILLMAN, OUR TOWN BOARD WILL WORK WITH YOU.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR YOU.
WELL, I ALSO CALLED, UH, CHRIS JACOB'S OFFICE, WHO WAS UHHUH NO LONGER.
HE'S NO LONGER THE SENATOR, BUT THE, THE LADY THAT IS IN HIS OFFICE, SHE WAS GONNA GO BACK AND SHE WAS GONNA CHECK ON ANY PAPERWORK THAT SHE HAD RECEIVED ON ALRIGHT.
UM, SHE HASN'T GOTTEN BACK TO ME, SO I ASSUME THAT SHE HASN'T FOUND ANYTHING.
BUT I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH THAT IF SOMETHING'S NOT DONE, THEN I WILL GO TO AL WATERS OR ANY OTHER TV STATION, OR I WILL BRING 'EM INTO THERE.
I NEED TO TURN ON A LEFT HAND TURN WITHOUT BEARING FOR MY LIFE.
'CAUSE WHEN I TURN LEFT FROM HOWARD, I TURN INTO THAT TURNING LANE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO INTO QUEENSLAND BECAUSE I FEAR FOR MY, MY CAR AND MY LIFE.
YOU KNOW, I, I NEED SOMETHING.
SO IF I FEAR FOR IT, WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME? THEY'RE DRIVING IT.
IT'S VERY, I KNOW IT, IT'S VERY BAD.
SO DO ME A FAVOR, GO DOWN HOWARD ROAD DURING THE BUSY TIMES, GET IN YOUR CAR, DRIVE DOWN, SEE WHAT IT IS TO, TO TURN.
AND IF I HAVE TO GO TO TV STATIONS, I WILL.
I'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND I'LL DO IT AGAIN.
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THANK YOU.HOW, HOW ARE YOU FEELING, MR. WARD? OKAY.
HAVE YOUR HUSBAND DOING ALL RIGHT? YEAH, HE'S DOING PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, HE HAD A HEART ATTACK, A STROKE CLO IN HIS LUNGS ON WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF EVERYTHING, TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER AND HE'S STILL HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE, JOE? THE WARNING, GIVE ME THE HEART ATTACK.
MIGHT GIVE ME NO, YOU'LL BE FINE.
WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME? EVERYONE DOES IT.
DOES IT MATTER WITH YOUR DISTANCING? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL COME OVER HERE.
SUPERVISOR SHAW, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, MY NAME'S JOE LEWANDOWSKI.
I'M REPRESENTING THE, THE ESTATE OF MARIE LEWANDOWSKI AT 47 14 LILYDALE STREET IN HANFORD.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS MY THIRD, MAYBE FOURTH TIME ADDRESSING THE BOARD.
UH, THE LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THE BOARD WAS WHEN TWO NEW MEMBERS WERE ELECTED BACK BEFORE COVID CAME IN.
AND I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST MEETING AT THAT POINT.
I'M HERE ALONG WITH OTHER RESIDENTS OF CLARK STREET AND LILYDALE TO BEGIN, UH, IMPLORE THE, THE TOWN TO LOOK AT OUR DRAINAGE AND, AND EROSION ISSUES THAT WE EXPERIENCE ALONG DROUGHTS FARM AND, UH, THROUGH THE SEVERAL HOUSES THAT ARE BORDERED BY LILYDALE, NAB AND CLARK STREET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT AROUND, BUT IN, IN MY CASE, AT 47 14 LILYDALE STREET, I HAVE A FENCE THAT WAS PUT UP.
THE, THE HOUSE WAS STARTED TO BE BUILT IN, IN 1964.
AND, AND WE AS A FAMILY, MY MOTHER HAS BEEN GONE ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW.
WE AS A FAMILY, HAVE PAID THE TAXES AND MAINTAINED THAT PROPERTY ALL THOSE YEARS.
WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IS THAT WITH THE ADVENT OF WATERFORD PINES AND THE RUNOFF FROM THE CLEARING OF THAT, AND SUPERVISOR SHAW IS, IS, IS WELL FAMILIAR WITH IT.
HE, HE STOOD IN MY KITCHEN AND LOOKED AT MY VIEW.
WHEN I AM THERE, I, I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF, OF HAMBURG, HOWEVER, I DO OWN THAT PROPERTY.
I'M TRYING TO FIX IT, GET IT READY FOR SALE, BUT MY VALUE IS SEVERELY DIMINISHED BY WHAT I LOOK AT.
AND THE FACT THAT THE FENCE THAT IS AT THE END OF MY PROPERTY, THAT BORDERS DROUGHTS, FARM HAS A DITCH OVER THERE.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE EXTRA FLOW FROM WATERFORD PINES, THE, THE BANK IS STARTING TO ERODE.
FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE.
BUT WITH THE ADVENT, AGAIN, AS I SAID, WITH THE CLEARING OF WATERFORD PINES, WE'RE FINDING THAT THE FLOW IS INCREASING.
THAT BANK IS ERODING AND BEGINNING TO SLOUGH OFF.
THEREFORE, MY FENCE IS FALLING OFF.
AND, AND THERE'S NO MORE PROPERTY TO PUT UP ANOTHER FENCE UNLESS I KEEP BACKING UP.
BUT WITHOUT SOME MITIGATION EFFORTS EITHER TO THE FLOW, THE DRAINAGE OR THE BANK ITSELF, WHICH COULD BE VERY COSTLY TO ME, UH, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
THE BANK IS GOING TO CONTINUE JUST LIKE THE BANK OF ANY STREAM.
UM, THE FARMER, I TRIED TO WORK WITH HIM ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT MITIGATION EFFORTS, BUT HE HAD ME PUT IT ON, ON HOLD UNTIL THE SPRING BECAUSE IT WAS HIS, HIS PLANTING SEASON WHEN SPRING CAME AROUND, UM, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
UM, HE, WHEN I APPROACHED HIM, HE SAW, I NEVER, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THAT, BUT AT THE TIME HE ADMITTED THAT I COULDN'T KEEP LOSING PROPERTY TO THAT EROSION, UM, WITH THE INABILITY TO HAVE A FENCE UP THERE OR, OR PUT UP A PROPER FENCE.
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS I'M DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF HIS FARM EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR INSTANCE TODAY.
AND, AND ONE OF THE WILLY DALE RESIDENTS WILL, WILL ATTEST TO THAT, THAT HE IDLES A TRUCK ALMOST 24 7.
FINALLY, ONE RESIDENT GOT HIM TO MOVE IT AT NIGHT, SO IT DIDN'T BOTHER US, BUT HE'S GOT RE REFRIGERATED PRODUCE IN THERE THAT HE TAKES TO MARKET.
UM, AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SIT IN YOUR BACKYARD WITH, WITHOUT HEARING A DRONE OF THIS TRUCK, WHICH IS ONLY ABOUT 50 YARDS AWAY FROM, FROM THE BACK OF THE, THE HOME.
SO WITHOUT A FENCE THAT THAT SOUND COMES THROUGH EVEN WORSE.
WHAT I REALLY NEED, AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING MORE FOR THE, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, IS A, UH, A FORGIVENESS OR A FORBEARANCE TO, TO PUT A TALLER FENCE.
BUT IF WE CAN'T CORRECT THE EROSION, THAT FENCE IS GONNA FALL OVER ANYWAY.
UM, AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE EYESORE THAT I VIEW PALLETS AND METAL, SHELL AND GARBAGE, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH CODE.
HE DOES THE BARE MINIMUM AND, AND THEN JUST, JUST ENOUGH TO GET EVERYBODY OFF HIS BACK.
UM, AND THEN I'M LEFT LOOKING AT IT.
SO I'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PASS THAT THROUGH.
AND THAT'LL BE, OH, I'M SORRY, I WALK THAT.
SO AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THOUGH, THAT, THAT IS MY PROPERTY AND WHAT I VIEW WHEN I'M HERE EVERY MORNING, AND IT,
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IT, IT IS JUST DEPLORABLE.UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY, BY ONCE UPON A TIME THAT WE'RE IN A LOW RENT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE, WE'VE BEEN PAYING, I PAY FULL TAXES AND BECAUSE I DON'T, UH, HAVE ANY STAR EXEMPTION, I PAY FULL OF TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND MY FAMILY HAS BEEN DOING SO FOR 55 YEARS.
AND SO FOR TWO YEARS AT EARNEST, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SUPERVISOR SHAW CODE ENFORCEMENTS, THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS ENGINEER, UM, OF THE TOWN TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT DITCH.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND MAYBE WE CAN DIG THROUGH THE ARCHIVES, UM, THE FARMER SAYS THAT HE DOES NOT, THAT HE DOES NOT OWN THAT DITCH, THAT IT WAS MANDATED BY THE TOWN.
ALTHOUGH TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF AN EASEMENT OF THE TOWN.
SO IN MY MIND, IN OUR MIND, THAT'S THE FARM'S PROPERTY.
I WOULD THINK THAT IF THE FARMER IS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN HIS PROPERTY TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S AFFECTING MOM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE'S PUTTING THE WATER THERE OR NOT FROM UPSTREAM, IT, IT, IT SHOULD BE HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO AT LEAST CLEAN OUT THAT DITCH AND SHORE IT UP AND DO THINGS.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE HE WOULD BE UNWILLING TO ADMIT THAT OR SAY THAT TO ME BECAUSE THEN HE'D BE PERHAPS LIABLE.
UM, WHAT ALSO HAPPENS IS ALL HIS HARDSCAPES, AS YOU LOOK AT THAT, THOSE PHOTOS, ALL HIS HARDSCAPES AROUND HIS BARN DRAIN TOWARDS MY PROPERTY AND THEN INTO HIS LOADING DOCK, WHICH THEN HE FUNNELS DOWN TO THE ONE DRAIN THAT HANDLES ALL OF THIS WATER THAT RUNS BEHIND THE LILYDALE PROPERTIES FROM WATER FOR PINES FROM HIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN IT DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS, UH, 47 0 2 LILYDALE AND 47 43 CLARK STREET AS LONG AS 47 55 CLARK STREET.
THESE POOR INDIVIDUALS, THEIR WATER AND A HEAVY RAIN WILL GET THAT DEEP IN THEIR BACKYARDS AND, AND THEY CAN, UH, SPEAK IN SOMEWHERE ARE HERE FROM CLARK STREET TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
WHEN, WHEN YOUR PLAYGROUND IS, IS THAT FAR UNDER WATER, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE ONE DRAIN THAT HANDLES ALL OF THIS RUNOFF IS, IS ONLY YOUR STANDARD MANHOLE DRAIN.
IT PROBABLY HAS A 12 TO 16 INCH PIPE THAT RUNS UNDER THE CLARK STREET PROPERTIES AND CONNECTS TO NAB.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT YEARS AGO, UM, THE, THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT HAD A PIPE OF 48 INCHES PUT IN UNDERNEATH NAB UNDERNEATH THIS EMPTY LOT WHERE THERE WAS A FIGHT OVER A POOL AND THERE WAS A DIVORCE.
IT'S THE LOT THAT'S ON, ON NAV AND CLARK STREET.
THE UNDERNEATH THAT IS 48 INCH PIPE THAT DUMPS INTO RUSH CREEK.
AND SO THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD, IT CAN HANDLE THE FLOW DOWN THERE.
BUT THE FLOODING FOR THE PROPERTIES ON CLARK STREET, THE PROPERTIES ON LILYDALE, THE BOTTOM OF LILYDALE, UH, BEGINNING WITH ABOUT 47 0 8 AND DOWN TOWARDS CLARK STREET, UM, THAT PIPE IS, IS PROBABLY 12 OR 16 INCHES.
SO I, I WOULD FEEL THAT ONE MITIGATION EFFORT WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THAT PIPE COMMENSURATE WITH THE, THE, THE, THE END GAME DOWN THE ROAD BY NAB.
AND THAT MIGHT MITIGATE, AT LEAST ACCEPT ALL THE WATER.
THE SECOND OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS WATERFORD PINES.
UM, AND THE DEVELOPER'S BEEN, HE'S, HE'S BEEN VERY, VERY KIND TO ME OVERALL, BUT WATERFORD PINES, SINCE HE'S DONE PHASE TWO, YOU'LL SEE A CUL-DE-SAC AND THERE'S A BLUE LINE ABOVE THAT BLUE LINE WHEN IT COMES AROUND TO YOU, THE WATER FLOWS TO LILYDALE.
AND WHAT HE DID IS, BECAUSE THERE'S A HUMP AND, AND THERE'S A 20 FOOT DROP BETWEEN WATERFORD PINES IN THE BOTTOM OF LILYDALE, UM, ONLY SO MUCH COULD BE GOING THAT HE COULD RUN BACKWARDS TOWARDS BEST STREET AND TO THE HEADWATERS OF, OF RUSH CREEK.
AND HE ACTUALLY HAS A RETENTION POND BEHIND SOME PROPERTIES.
ON WHAT? ON, UM, I THINK IT'S WATERFORD.
UH, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE, THE STREET OF WATERFORD PINES, BUT THE MAIN, THE MAIN DRIVE, ANYTHING ABOVE THE BLUE LINE THAT YOU SEE IN THERE, THAT ALL RUNS TO LILYDALE.
AND THERE'S A PIPE THAT JUST IS, IS BURIED UNDER STONE.
THEY'VE HIDDEN IT, BUT IT JUST DUMPS ALL THE RUNOFF WATER FROM THE STREETS INTO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN AREA FOR, UH, ANOTHER RETENTION POND.
AND SO MY, MY SECOND FEELING IS, IS THAT IF WE, AND THAT WAS FOR PHASE THREE, I BELIEVE, BUT IF WE ARE GETTING ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THAT, UM, I DO HAVE VIDEO AND I, I PROBABLY COULD HAVE HOOKED IT UP TO THE TV TODAY, BUT I WALKED IT LAST DECEMBER AND, UM, CLOCKED THE FLOW IN ALL THE TURBIDITY, ALL THE, ALL THE, THE MURKINESS IN THE WATER COMING OFF THE WATERFORD PINE SITE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DRAIN ON DALE.
AND YOU COULD SEE THE DELINEATION IN, IN SUPERVISOR SHAW.
WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT IT, I, BEFORE COVID HIT, I MET WITH SUPERVISOR SHAW AND, AND ROGER GIBSON AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, SO IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE WATER
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IS EMANATING FROM THAT AREA.AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S UM, THERE'S A PICTURE ON THAT ONE THAT HAS ACTUALLY SOME SQUIGGLY BLUE LINES.
IT SHOWS THE FLOW OF THE WATER WHERE IT ALL EMANATES FROM AND ORIGINATES FROM, AND THEN RUNS DOWN TOWARDS OUR, THIS, UH, AREA.
UM, THIS NEXT ONE, THIS IS 47 0 2, THIS GENTLEMAN'S BACKYARD AND HIS SHED GO UNDERWATER.
HIS CHILDREN'S TRAMPOLINE GOES UNDERWATER.
UM, AND, AND, AND THESE PICTURES ARE NOT WINTER PICTURES OR SPRINGTIME PICTURES WHEN THE GROUND IS FROZEN.
AND YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT A LOT WOULD GO OVER RATHER THAN IN A LOT OF THESE, I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT I JUST HANDED OVER TO MR. CONNOLLY WERE, UM, SOMETIME IN JUNE AND IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER INCH RAIN.
AND SO THERE'S NOTHING MITIGATING THAT FLOW AT EITHER END.
AND SO BY WHAT HAPPENS AT MY PROPERTY, IT BEGINS TO MEANDER.
IT'S GOING AROUND HIS EQUIPMENT ON THE FARM AND IT'S, IT'S JUST WASHING OVER.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY AT AN IMPASSE AS TO HOW TO FIX THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN'T KEEP LOSING PROPERTY THROUGH NO FAULT OF MY OWN IF I LIVED UP AGAINST A STREAM OR A RIVER.
THIS I DON'T BELIEVE IS A NATURAL PROCESS.
I BELIEVE WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO, UH, TO MITIGATE IT.
AND HERE IS THE OLD BARNHOUSE AT 47, 43 CLARK STREET, THAT'S THE CORNER OF NAB AND UH, AND CLARK STREET.
AND SO I, I JUST, UH, ONCE AGAIN COMING TO THE BOARD, JUST TRYING TO, TO LOOK FOR HELP WITH, THIS HAS BEEN A SIX YEAR PROCESS, TWO YEARS IN EARNEST.
I'VE GOT EMAIL STACKS THIS LONG GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH MR. QUINN AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE PAY OUR TAXES.
WE, WE TRY TO DO THINGS AND, AND THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A GENERAL DESIRE, CERTAINLY SUPERVISOR SHAW, HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING IN EARNEST TO THE BOARD FOR HELP ON THIS IF WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAKE IT A PET PROJECT, WHATEVER.
IT'S, I MEAN THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 55 YEARS, ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT, SO.
I WOULD NAME'S, UH, TED CASEY UP.
UH, I'M THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT.
THANKS FOR FIXING THAT FROM 47 0 8.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON ONE, ACTIVELY ON
I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO OWNS THAT DITCH, FOR EXAMPLE? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RETURN WALL.
I DON'T DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THE OWNER OF THE DITCH IS DROUGHT FARM.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT THERE.
UH, SO IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT THE FIRST THING WE GOTTA DO IS NEGOTIATE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING, NEGOTIATE WITH DROUGHT TO GET AN EASEMENT.
NOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE PERHAPS TO HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT IS TO RECONTOUR REIG THAT DITCH AND CLEAN IT.
WHEN I WAS OVER WITH YOU, THE DAMN THING IS CLOCKED UP WITH BRANCHES, ALL KINDS OF FOLIAGE FIRES AND SO THE WATER DAMS VERY EASILY, DOESN'T IT? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN MAYBE DO.
CAMMY JARRELL FROM GHG, WHO IS MIKE QUINN'S SUCCESSOR HERE.
SHE'S DISCUSSED SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
SO THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT IDEAS HERE.
BUT, WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A START AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE WE, THE PATIENT.
BUT THE FIRST THING WE'VE GOTTA DO, I THINK IS, UH, MAYBE HAVE A TALK WITH OUR FRIEND MR. DROUGHT MM-HMM
UH, TO SEE WHAT HE'S WILLING TO DO AND WHETHER OR NOT AN EASEMENT IS POSSIBLE.
NOW WITH REGARD TO THE, THE STUFF PARKED ON HIS, THE BACK OF HIS, OF HIS, UH, UH, OF HIS MARKET ON CLARK STREET, WE DID HAVE ROGER GIBSON AND CODE GO OVER THERE A COUPLE TIMES.
AND JOE FROM CODE WENT OVER THERE.
AND, AND, AND WE, WE GAVE HIM, UH, SUMMONS, SUMMONS THIS TO APPEAR COURT RIGHT ON, ON ALL THIS TIRES THAT WERE STACKED BACK THERE, REMEMBER? MM-HMM
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FARM EQUIPMENT ON IT.
AND, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT GONNA BE ARRANGED IN AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WAY, BUT HE CAN'T MAINTAIN JUNK BACK THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING.
WE'LL HAVE ROGER, UH, UH, HIS DEPARTMENT TAKE A LOOK AT IT THIS WEEK.
AND FOR YOUR EDIFICATION, JIM, THE, UH, UH, A GENTLEMAN JOE FROM, FROM CODE WENT OVER THERE MAYBE THREE WEEKS AGO MM-HMM
UM, AND, AND I, I SAW HIM BECAUSE HE, HE KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND, AND THEN WENT OVER FROM THERE AND HE POINTED OUT ALL THE WEEDS AND EVERYTHING.
ALL THEY DID WAS WEEDY A COUPLE UP AGAINST THE BARN.
IF, IF THOSE OF YOU THAT SAW THE PICTURE OF THE ONE BARN WHERE THERE'S PIPES AND GARBAGE
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AND THERE WAS A DUMPSTER, UM, ALL HE DID WAS WEED THAT AREA.AND, AND I'M A REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT OVER TIME, THIS, THIS FARM HAS EVOLVED.
WHEN, WHEN MY PARENTS BUILT THAT HOUSE, IT WASN'T THE, THE LONG BARN THAT HE HAS HIS LOADING DOCKET AT DID NOT EXIST.
UM, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT I PAY MORE TAXES ON SCHOOL AND PROPERTY THAN HE DOES ON THAT ENTIRE THING.
AND A LOT OF THE SALES THAT HE HAS GO TO A MARKET OUTSIDE OF, OUT OF HAMBURG.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY GAIN THAT MUCH FROM THE FARM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A RIGHT TO FARM NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I TRY TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WORK WITH HIM.
THAT'S WHY I TRY TO APPROACH HIM DIRECTLY.
UM, I'M FAIRLY TACTFUL AND FAIRLY ARTICULATE.
UM, SO I DIDN'T GO SCREAMING LIKE MY NEIGHBOR AT 47 0 8 DID, UM, HE, HE'S JUST THROWING UP HIS HANDS GOING, HE WOULDN'T EVEN COME TONIGHT BECAUSE HE'S LIKE, THEY'LL NEVER DO ANYTHING.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO DECADES WITH THE DRAIN.
AND ONE ONCE UPON A TIME, SOMEBODY, I THINK THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WENT IN LONG BEFORE YOUR TIME TED WENT IN AND, AND ACTUALLY ROTOR ROOTED IT OUT.
AND THAT HELPED FOR A WHILE BECAUSE I GUESS IT WAS TOTALLY PLUGGED WITH A LOT OF THE PLASTIC, UH, STARTER KITS FROM THE FARM BECAUSE IT WAS ALL WASHING DOWN FROM THE FARM.
WE, WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN, PROVIDED THAT, UH, WE HAVE A LEGAL ACCESS TO IT.
AND WE HAVE THE RESOURCE AND WE DO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THE WORK.
UH, THE RESOURCES BEING THE EQUIPMENT, THE MANPOWER, AND THE, UH, FUNDING.
AND, AND THEREIN LIES THE RUB AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHERE CIRCLING BACK AROUND TO THE FARM, I UNDERSTAND.
AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, UM, PERHAPS FOR, FOR MYSELF, WE COULD HAVE THE FARMER PUT UP A FENCE.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOPS ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
SO THEY HAD TO PUT THIS VERY TALL FENCE UP ALONG THE BACK OF SAY, AUTO ZONE AND HARBOR FREIGHT, UM, THAT SEPARATED THAT COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE FROM THE, THE HOME THAT, THAT BACKS UP TO IT.
WHY COULDN'T WE DO THAT FOR A FARM? UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ONUS IS UPON ME TO TRY TO HIDE THE VIEW.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT LOCKWOOD'S, IF YOU LOOK AT MILLER'S FARM IN JUNE MILLER, YOU DON'T SEE THAT KIND OF GARBAGE.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE FARMER LESS DROUGHT.
HE HAS A A, A HOUSE ACROSS HIS FIELD ON CLARK STREET.
AND WHEN HE WALKS OUT OF HIS HOUSE, HE LOOKS AT HIS FARM FARMFIELD.
IT'S IDYLLIC, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I LOOK AT STANFORD SOME FOR ALL IN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MEET WITH MR. ROU, I LIVE ON LILYDALE.
I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT 40 YEARS.
AND I LOOK OUT MY BACK WINDOW.
I'M ABOUT THREE HOUSES UP FOR HIM WHERE JOE LIVES.
AND I'VE SEEN THE GRADUAL INCREASE OF RAIN RUNOFF IN THE SPRING, BUT I HAD SEVERAL LARGE PINE TREES.
AND WHAT'S OCCURRING NOT AS MUCH AS THE LOSS OF LAND THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE IS, AND MR. DROUGHT WAS CONFRONTED WITH THIS, THE WATER IS SLOWLY ERODING THE SOIL AT MY END, WEAKENING THE ROOT STRUCTURE OF THESE BIG PINE TREES.
WHEN WENT DOWN ON HIS PROPERTY, HE HAD TO SPEND TIME AND CLEANED IT UP IN ADDITION TO HIS TREE COMING DOWN OR MY TREE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S, I HAD A TREE BLOWN OVER TWO BECAUSE THE ROOT STRUCTURE DUE TO THE WATER GOING BY MY PLACE IS WEAKENING THE STRENGTH OF THE ROOTS TO HOLD THE TREE UP.
AND SO THAT ONE HAS COME DOWN.
SO I JUST WANTED, WHEN YOU'RE MEETING WITH MR, DR, JUST SAY I, HE COULD BE AFFECTED.
I'VE SEEN HIM DIG THAT TRENCH OUT SINCE SAID, I'VE LIVED THERE 40 YEARS, I THINK ONCE AND IT IS CLOGGED WITH DEBRIS, WHICH CAN MAYBE SLOW THE WATER OR MAYBE, MAYBE MAY NOT MAKE IT AS FAST.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO YOUR DISCUSSION.
IF YOU DO MEET WITH HIM, UH, WELL, WE'LL GIVE HIM A CALL AND ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO COME OVER AND TALK ABOUT IT.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT DOWNSTREAM BEFORE IT GETS TO
SO HERE'S SOME PICTURES GOING PASS THOSE AROUND.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS MY BACKYARD WHERE WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUND SET.
YOU CAN SEE THE KIDS SWIMMING IN IT, BASICALLY.
AND THEN THIS IS FROM THE, THIS IS A VIEW COMING FROM, FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL DOWN IN, INTO THE BACK OF MY YARD.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD THE SHED.
UM, OF ALL THESE SHED BASICALLY COVERED.
BUT THAT'S AS IT KIND OF FLOW DOWN THERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST CLOCKED.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CAPACITY.
BASICALLY THE ROUTE IS, I THINK IT JUST GETS PLUGGED WITH A SMALL DRAIN BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE A RECEIVER IN OUR YARD.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S AN EASEMENT ACTUALLY ON MY PROPERTY, 47 55, I THINK, TO CLEAN THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I HAVE AN EASEMENT WHEN I WHEN BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE ISN'T ONE.
LIKE WE COULDN'T, WE COULD, WE DID, WE DID A RECORD SEARCH AND WE COULDN'T FIND ONE
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ON, ON, UH, MR. DROUGHT.BUT I KNOW THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON MY PROPERTY AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT RECEIVER THAT WE HAD BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BACKYARD.
WE'VE GOT FLOWERS AND STUFF AROUND IT.
BUT, AND WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THERE, IT'S A BIG PIPE COMING INTO OURS.
AND THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH THERE FINE.
I THINK IT JUST GETS JAMMED UP EARLIER, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A CAPACITY ISSUE TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S ALWAYS HAD, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF CAPACITY.
BUT UPSTREAM I THINK IS WHERE IT GETS PLUGGED IN AND IT JUST FLOWS THROUGH THE YARD AND IT IS ERODING.
IT'S TAKING A LOT OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW.
ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANYTHING TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE? WE ARE SEVERAL FROM LILYDALE HERE.
WELL, I'M ON FIRE STREET AND I, UM, MY HOUSE IS, UH, A STRANGE PROPERTY BECAUSE I BACK INTO DROUGHT'S FARM MM-HMM
AND IF I DON'T GO THERE OFTEN TO CLEAN THE DRAIN, IT, IT STARTS FLOODING EVERYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
AND A LOT OF THE DEBRIS IS, UH, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE PLANTING MATERIAL, UH, LIKE POTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IF I DON'T CLEAN IT, I, I AM CONSTANTLY FINDING THAT THAT WHOLE AREA GETS FLOODED.
SO IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST, UH, TO FOLLOW STEP ONE, STEP TWO.
UH, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE, UH, ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS OVERNIGHT.
YOU'VE BEEN MORE THAN PATIENT.
WE'VE WAITED MANY OF YOU FOR MANY YEARS.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS TO TRY AND RECTIFY THE SITUATION.
CAMMY HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND YEAH, SHE'S BEEN CAMMY.
THIS IS OUR TOWN ENGINEER IF YOU WANT, UH, OUR, OUR ENGINEERING CONSULT PROFESSIONAL.
UH, JOE, AS HE SAID, HAD PREVIOUSLY WORKED WITH MIKE.
UM, JOE CAME BY THE OFFICE JUST I WANNA SAY A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
RIGHT? IT WAS ABOUT THAT AFTERNOON.
AND I HAD FIRST SPOKEN TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, JIM, BUT I HAVE NOT GONE OUT TO THE SITE YET.
UH, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE BIG ISSUE IS ACCESS.
IT'S PRIVATE DRAIN WHERE IT IS PRIVATE DRAINAGE.
THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT THE TOWN CAN DO.
UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO GO OUT AND WALK THE AREA.
UM, BUT I LIKELY COME BACK WITH THAT SAME CONCLUSION THAT YEAH.
HOW DO WE FIX? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL, I'LL GIVE MR. DRONE A CALL THIS WEEK.
SEE IF I CAN GET HIM TO MEET WITH ME.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO, UH, WE'LL TALK DURING THE WEEK.
IF ANY BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO GO WITH US, WE'LL TAKE A HIKE OVER THERE AND, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UH, I WANT YOU TO SEE IT BECAUSE AS THE WATER COMES DOWNHILL, IT REALLY FLOWS LIKE A MINI NIAGARA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.
I'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL VIDEO AND I JUST DON'T WANNA BELABOR THAT POINT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN BY MS. FARROW.