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THIS IS A SPECIAL WORK SESSION OF THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD.IT IS NOW 5:30 PM PURSUANT TO THE NOTICE.
UH, I RESPECTFULLY MOVE THE WORK SESSION INTO SESSION.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A.
FOLKS, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE DEBT ISSUANCE ISSUES AND TO IDENTIFY SCOPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TENTATIVELY AGREED TO AND THE UPSIDE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THE LOW END AMOUNT, UH, AND TO, UH, GET READY FOR MONDAY NIGHT'S MEETING WHEN WE WILL, UM, ENTERTAIN BOND RESOLUTIONS, UH, SEEKER, UH, RESOLUTIONS, UH, AND, UH, SOME OTHER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PUT US IN A POSITION TO HAVE THE BOND ISSUED SOMETIME IN EARLY DECEMBER OF 2020.
SO, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, IS SAMANTHA AROUND? SHE'S COMPRISING SOME NEW FIGURES.
YOU FOLKS MAY HAVE RECEIVED THIS FROM SAM.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE THIS?
WE JUST HAD A, UH, THE DEBT COMMITTEE MEETING JUST ENDED.
SO SAM RAN TO HER OFFICE TO GET SOME REVISED FIGURES AND IT'LL ONLY TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
UH, WHILE WE WAIT FOR HER, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE LED LIGHTING PROJECT, WE, WE BUMPED THAT UP TO INSTEAD OF 6 MILLION AND CHANGE TO 6,100,000 TO BE SAFE.
OUR BOND ATTORNEY HAS SAID THAT IF INDEED WE HAVE TO MODIFY, MODIFYING DOWNWARD IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.
UH, BREAKING THE THRESHOLD AND GOING FOR A GREATER AMOUNT IS, IS NOT DOABLE.
SO THAT WAS THE, THE, UH, THAT WAS THE IDEA THERE.
AND SAM DID SOME CALCULATIONS.
IF WE GO WITH THE UPPER DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON ALL OF THESE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENTS, NIKE ARENA IMPROVEMENTS, ROAD PAVING GOLF COURSE 80 DA COMPLIANCE TOWN HALL IT INFRASTRUCTURE, DRAINAGE STUDY, COMMUNITY PAVING TOWN HALL, POLICE REMODEL, DRAINAGE, SPECIFIC DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE UPSIDE IS 9,980,000, WHICH WOULD MEAN A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, UH, PROJECTED ONLY OF FIVE POINT, I'M SORRY, 0.0 0.55%.
A LITTLE MORE THAN A HALF OF 1%.
OR FOR THE AVERAGE HOME OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGES WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO ABOUT 174,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT, UH, UH, AN INCREASE OF 16.23 $16 AND 23 CENTS PER YEAR.
IF YOU GO ON THE LOW SIDE, UH, THE DIFF REMEMBER, 9,000,980 ON THE HIGH SIDE, 9,000,280 ON THE LOW SIDE.
NOW PER, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UH, $12 86 CENTS ADDED TO YOUR TOWN TAX BILL WITH A HOME OR PROPERTY ASSESSED AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
IF YOU'RE WITHIN THE VILLAGE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOWER AT, UH, $11 AND 16 CENTS, UH, ON THE LOW END FOR FIVE FOR ABOUT POINT, UH, 0.5% ON THE, JUST, JUST YOU.
OH, WE'VE GOT IT COMING FOR YOU ANYWAY, SO, I'M SORRY, BUT I RIGHT TO PUT IT OH, YEAH, NO, JUST, JUST IN CASE YOU, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO IN ANY EVENT THOUGH, WE'RE GONNA, EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET THIS SHEET.
THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE IMPACT IS NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE TAX RATE.
NOW, WE DON'T HONESTLY KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUE IS GOING TO BE FOR, FOR GOING INTO 2021 YET, AND THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON THIS AS WELL.
BUT WE WILL BE ADOPTING A BUDGET IN NOVEMBER, AND IF INDEED WE HAVE TO GRAVITATE TO THE LOWER END ON SOME OF THESE BOND ISSUANCE TOPICS, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.
HAVING SAID THAT, UH, WE WILL RECESS AND HAVE SOME COFFEE UNTIL, SAM, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS? ANYTHING OF CONCERN? OH, I WANNA TELL YOU, UH, IF YOU GO AHEAD, IF ANYBODY, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT.
IF ANYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO ADD, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
I JUST WANNA ELABORATE BECAUSE I, I WANT, YOU KNOW, BEING NEW TO THE PROCESS, UH, I WANTED TO KNOW, ARE WE TIED INTO WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS AND THE REALITY IS WHAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED, THE FIRST STEP IS
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AUTHORIZING THE MONEY, IDENTIFYING AS BEST WE CAN, ALL THE USAGE FOR THE MONEY.AND WHEN IT COMES TO MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE GONNA END UP BEING RFPD OUT.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE VETTED IN TERMS OF THE, THE MORE, THE, THE SPECIFICS MM-HMM
OF THE PROJECT, THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE, OUR JOB NOW IS TO, ON MORE OF A MACRO OVERVIEW, WHICH PROJECTS DO WE WANNA DO? WHAT IS THE, THE MAIN, UH, ITEM ON THE PROJECT AND WHAT'S A GOOD BEST FAITH ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS? AND EITHER DO WE AGREE ON THAT OR DO WE DISAGREE? AS LONG AS WE AGREE THE DETAILS, THE FINE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINER POINTS WILL FLUSH THEMSELVES OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE GET MORE QUOTES AND, AND IDENTIFY MM-HMM
THAT'S WHY I THINK BEING ON THE UPPER SIDE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN BEING ON THE LOWER SIDE BECAUSE IT GIVES US A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY AND IT GIVES US THE KNOWLEDGE THAT MOST LIKELY, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA WANNA DO THIS, IS TRY TO KEEP THIS POSSIBLY UNDER HALF OF 1% IN TERMS OF TAXES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALMOST THERE ON THE HIGH SIDE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THE OTHER POINT IS WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET SEASON, THAT'S WHEN WE START TO COORDINATE THESE PROJECTS WITH THE BUDGET.
BECAUSE I FEEL THERE'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE SOME SAVINGS IN TERMS OF PARTICULARLY THE NIKE CENTER ON SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE, UM, ON AN ONGOING BASIS THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE OF, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A FOCUS, OR ONE OF OUR TALKING POINTS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS IS JUST THAT FOR THEM TO EXPLORE AND LOOK AT THEIR BUDGETS IN TERMS OF DO YOU CONTINUE TO BUDGET CERTAIN THINGS YEAR TO YEAR AND SAID YOU ADDRESS THEM THROUGH THIS BONDING OPPORTUNITY SO THAT IT CAN POSITIVELY, POSITIVELY AFFECT YOUR BUDGET.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT, THAT MINDSET, THAT SHIFT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALSO TO BRING UP, UH, WE TALK ABOUT MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO SAVE SOME MONEY ON, YOU KNOW, UH, REPAIRS AT THE NIKE CENTER.
BUT I ASKED RICK WHEN WE WERE HERE A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER NEEDS AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU CUT HIS BUDGET, IT'S GONNA LIMIT HIM AS WELL, YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY.
I I WOULD THINK WE'D BE SAFER TO THINK THERE'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE ANY SAVINGS FROM IT UNLESS WE HAVE INCREASED REVENUES, WHICH WE DON'T IN.
WE, WE FOCUS ON THIS NUMBER, BUT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD, WE REALIZE THAT IT WOULD ONLY IMPROVE IF WE FOUND WAYS THAT WERE MEANINGFUL AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALL THAT MEANINGFUL.
BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE LIKELY SOME THAT WOULD
LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO WHAT SAM GAVE US.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, PRELIMINARY PROJECT SUMMARIES, LEMME LEMME TAKE YOU DOWN, UH, TO, UH, NUMBER 10.
'CAUSE WE'VE REVISED THAT SIGNIFICANTLY.
I SENT OUT A MEMO THIS AFTERNOON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THE ONLY DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT WILL PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUND THIS YEAR IS THE THURSTON PROJECT.
UH, OVERLOOK POINT, UH, WAS MENTIONED.
UH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A SHORT-TERM FIX THAT PROVIDES A LONG-TERM REMEDY.
TOM LARDO AND I ARE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOMORROW.
HE'S ALREADY DONE SOME WORK THERE, SO THIS MAY BE AN INEXPENSIVE FIX.
CAMMI IS GOING DOWN CAMMI GERALD'S GOING DOWN TOMORROW WITH A CONTRACTOR.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM WORK ON THE STORM SEWER DRAINAGE THAT MEANDERS UNDER LAKESHORE ROAD AND UP AMDA AND SUCH.
BUT THERE'S A SHORT TERM FIX MAYBE THAT THE COMPANY'S LOOKING AT THAT WON'T COST AS MUCH, WON'T BE BONDED, AND COULD BE DONE TO GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS SOME RELIEF RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S A BREAK, UH, ALSO ON THE LILYDALE, UH, DRIVE, AS YOU KNOW, THAT THE GROUP WAS IN AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND CAN WE SUGGEST THAT IN THE SHORT TERM, WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE? THIS IS SMALL ANYWAY, UH, BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, IF THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT COULD, UH, JET, UH, DO IT, PUT A JET THROUGH THE, UH, THE SEWER JET THROUGH THE EXISTING, UH, STORM SEWER DRAINAGE PIPE, WHICH EMPTIES OUT INTO NAB AND CLARK RIGHT AT THE CORNER THERE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SOLVE A LOT OF THE FLOODING PROBLEMS AT THE LOWER END OF LILYDALE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING CAMMIE SAID TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, ME THIS MORNING.
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I PUT IT IN THE, IN THE EMAIL TO YOU FOLKS ON THE SMITH ROAD PROJECT.YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, MR. ETTE, UH, AND HIS NEIGHBORS, UH, CONVINCED THAT CERTAIN WORK HAS TO BE DONE TO REMEDY THE PROBLEM.
AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT OVER THE YEARS THEMSELVES.
THE LAST STUDY THAT WAS DONE, I THINK WAS 2003, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, CAMMY SAYING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THESE FOLKS, THE NEIGHBORS ARE PROPOSING IS GONNA WORK.
SO WE'RE SURE AS HELL SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING 900,000 PLUS IF WE DON'T HAVE A SOLID IDEA THAT THAT MONEY IS WELL SPENT.
SO SHE'S SUGGESTING THAT WE CONSIDER A STUDY REGARDING SMITH AND PERHAPS EVEN LILYDALE TO LOOK AT A LONGER TERM SOLUTION WHEN YOU GET TO SHE COUGH AND ECKER.
YOU MAY REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, TED CASEY MENTIONED THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THE, UH, THE STORM SEWER LINE HAS TO BE INCREASED IN CAPACITY, AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE RUNOFF COMING DOWN FROM ROUTE FIVE TO THE LOW POINT AT SMITH AT AT SCHOFF AT, UH, ECKER.
CAMMIE'S, NOT SURE SHE HASN'T NETWORKED WITH HIM.
SO REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS THIRSTY, AND THAT MAY BE A 30 TO $40,000 EXPENDITURE ESTIMATES.
SO THAT MEANS A LOT LESS FOR ACTUAL PROJECTS NOW THAN WE ANTICIPATED A WEEK OR SO AGO.
UH, YOU, UH, THE L IF YOU WANT TO, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE, UH, THE LED LIGHTING PROJECT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE A NUMBER THAT GIVES US SOME BREATHING ROOM.
UH, SEAN, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE OVER AND TALK ABOUT, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE NIKE RECREATION COMPLEX, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, RICK HERE, SO MAYBE HE CAN TELL US ABOUT, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS ALSO.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO TO, TO KIND OF GO BACK FROM SQUARE ONE, UH, THE NIKE RECREATION COMPLEX WAS STARTED IN 1972.
SO WE'VE HAD THAT COMPLEX, IT'LL ALMOST BE 50 YEARS.
AND, UH, THE GROWTH OF WHAT THAT'S USED FOR IS, IS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY NOW COMPARED TO 1972.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOCCER ASSOCIATIONS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
UH, THEY'RE THE BIGGEST, UH, GROUP THAT IS INVOLVED IN SPORTS IN HAMBURG.
YOU'VE GOT THE BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, LACROSSE, BMX, UM, OF COURSE, UH, INDOOR HOCKEY, ALSO SUMMER HOCKEY, YOU'VE GOT THE DAY PROGRAM.
UM, AND MARTY, UH, AND, UH, RICK AND ADD ANY OTHERS THAT I'M MISSING? WELL, THERE'S RUGBY, THERE'S THE DOG PARK, THERE'S THE MODEL AIR PARK, UM, THE SLEDDING HILL, UM, SOFTBALL, SNOWMOBILE, B OF X SNOWMOBILE.
I MEAN, ALMOST IF YOU THINK AND DO THE MATH, PROBABLY CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HALF OF OUR PROGRAMS, UH, IN TERMS OF VOLUME PROBABLY ARE, ARE AT THAT SITE.
UH, AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANY MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, OVER THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, PERIOD OF TIME.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE RICK, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFRESH EVERYBODY IN TERMS OF, OF THAT BACKGROUND, IF YOU WOULD, AND THEN MARTY, IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMMING GROWTH.
UM, BUT WE'VE, I THINK, DONE A PRETTY THOROUGH JOB IN TERMS OF TRYING TO, UM, IDENTIFY THINGS.
SO WHY DON'T I HAVE YOU GUYS TALK AND THEN I CAN KIND OF GO OVER MAYBE THE SOLUTIONS.
UM, BASICALLY AS FAR AS THE ICE RINK ITSELF, IT GOES, UM, WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE LOBBY AREAS, THE LOCKER ROOM AREAS.
UH, SOME, SOME WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN BATHROOMS, BUT JUST TO REFRESH EVERYTHING, I MEAN, THE OLD FLOORS, OLD CEILING TILES, UM, BENCHES THAT ARE STARTING TO DECAY, UM, IN THE LOBBY AREA, UH, OUTSIDE IN THE ICE RINK IS PRETTY ROCK SOLID AS FAR AS THE ICE SURFACE GOES.
IT'S THE MECHANICS THAT ARE REALLY BAD.
UM, WE DID GET PUT ON NOTICE JUST RECENTLY ABOUT THE COMPRESSORS THAT ARE ORIGINAL FROM THE SEVENTIES THAT THEY WILL NOT, UM, SUPPORT THESE ANYMORE.
SO THERE'S HARDLY ANY PARTS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
IF IT DOES BREAK DOWN, WE COULD BE IN TROUBLE.
SO, UM, YOUR EVAPORATING TOWER IS, IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS OVERDUE TO BE REPLACED.
THESE, THE COOLING CONDENSING TANK INSIDE THE COMPRESSOR ROOM IS WHERE EVERYTHING IS CHILLED DOWN BETWEEN, UH, ANTIFREEZE AND PNEUMONIA.
THAT IS AT ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY.
SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE VERY, VERY, UH, CLOSE TO LIVING.
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HIS LIFE.UM, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE NEEDED.
THAT WHOLE ROOM NEEDS TO BE REDONE.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ROOM, YOU DON'T HAVE ICE, YOU DON'T HAVE A ICE R.
SO, UM, IT'S VERY VITAL AND IMPORTANT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE LED PROJECT, YOU'VE GOT THE LIGHTS FOR THE BALL DIAMONDS THAT ARE NEEDED, AND THAT WOULD SAVE A TON OF ENERGY.
UM, SO THOSE LIGHTS ARE PRETTY OLD AND BEAT UP.
UM, WE GOT A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, IS PRETTY BAD.
WE'VE DONE HALF OF IT ALREADY OVER THE YEARS.
I PAID FOR THE STUDY, SO IT'S ABOUT ANOTHER 40,000 TO FINISH IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLIANT.
WE'RE NOT DUMPING RAW SEWAGE AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE, THE, UH, DITCHES AND STREAMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, UH, THE, THE DRAINAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE FIELDS THEMSELVES, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD LUXURY.
UM, A LOT OF PLACES DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE AS FAR AS OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS, BUT IF WE CAN DO THAT AND ADD THAT TO IT, IT JUST CAN BE A PLUS.
TRYING TO BUILD A PATH, A WALKING PATH AROUND THE FACILITY WOULD BE NICE.
AND, UM, JUST ADD BRIDGING BRIDGES OVER THE DITCHES AND FENCING, UM, TO KINDA MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR SPECTATORS AND, AND THE KIDS THEMSELVES.
THE PUBLIC BATHROOM, THE OUTSIDE BATHROOM THAT'S PART OF THIS MM-HMM
I MEAN, TRYING TO, I MEAN, IT, IT IS A BIG PLACE, BUT TO DO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PUBLIC BATHROOMS AND JUST KINDA EARMARK WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO AND THEN HOPEFULLY ADD ONE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THAT'S FIGURED IN YOUR, THAT'S FIGURED IN, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, AT LEAST ONE, ONE BATHROOM FACILITY, UH, IS SO NECESSARY.
WELL, PROBABLY TWO WOULD BE BETTER, BUT THE, THE GOAL AND THE PLAN WOULD BE THREE.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, REALISTICALLY WE WOULD WANT ONE TOWARDS THE, UH, THE SOCCER AND ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, YOU KNOW, BY THE MORE THE BASEBALL, UH, SOFTBALL.
UM, THAT WAY IT'S REASONABLE DISTANCE.
YOU COULD HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS RESTROOMS THIS WAY, OR IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO DEALING AND RESTROOMS THAT WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW MANY, BUT REALISTICALLY, UM, AT LEAST TWO ARE NECESSARY IN MY OPINION.
RICK, DOES THE TOWN PROVIDE THE PORTA-POTTIES OUT AT THAT FACILITY, OR DO THE INDIVIDUAL TEAMS DO IT? OH, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
UM, HOW MUCH DOES THE TOWN SPEND ON PORTA-POTTIES A YEAR FOR THERE? GEEZ, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HALF.
YEAH, ABOUT BETWEEN THREE AND 5,000.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN SPENDS EVERY YEAR.
NOW, IF YOU HAD A, A COUPLE BATHROOMS THERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT COST? UH, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A COST WITH WATER, ELECTRIC, AND, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE.
UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ON THE LOWER END, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE STILL BUYING SUPPLIES AND ALL THAT STUFF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SUPPLY, I MEAN, IT'S ALL BUILT INTO OUR COSTS.
SO I WOULD SAY ON THE LOWER END OF THAT, OKAY.
IF YOU, IF, IF, IF TWO'S IN THE PLANS, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IT'S, IT IS A, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ACREAGE OUT THERE.
IT, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS.
AND THERE'S GOING ON OF PEOPLE HAVING TO USE PORT OF JOHN PORT PLANS.
UH, SAMANTHA, UH, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE OR DON'T HAVE ON THE TOWN? ROAD PAVING? TOWN PAVING? YEAH.
UM, BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, AS YOU GUYS CAN TELL, I WAS OBVIOUSLY PRINTING THESE AT THE LAST MINUTE FROM SOME REVISIONS FROM OUR DEBT COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ERRORS WITH THIS ANALYSIS THAT I JUST GAVE YOU.
THE, THE POTENTIAL BORROWING ANALYSIS, UM, FOR THE NIKE CENTER THAT WE JUST TOUCHED ON.
UM, THE EFFECT ON A HOME OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE, AND WITHIN THE VILLAGE IT SAYS $8 AND 18 CENTS.
THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE ABOUT $7 AND 2 CENTS.
UM, SO WE SAVED SOME MONEY THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED IS THE DRAINAGE STUDY NUMBER SEVEN.
THAT ONE, THE AMOUNTS FOR THE HIGHER END, UM, SHOULD BE CHANGED TO 64 CENTS INSTEAD OF THE 46 CENTS THAT YOU SEE.
SO IT'S ONLY ON THE, THE, THE HIGHER COLUMN, THE LOWER COLUMN MM-HMM
UM, SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT BRINGS THE TOTAL EFFECT ON A HOME OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGES FOR THE HIGHER NUMBER TO $14 AND 72 CENTS.
AND THEN HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THE VILLAGES, IT BRINGS THAT NUMBER TO $13 AND 26 CENTS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE TAX BILLS OFFHAND TO GET YOU THE PERCENTAGES, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY BOTH OF THOSE PERCENTAGES THERE, THIS WILL BE EVEN LESS THAN THAT.
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ROAD PAVING, THAT WAS THE NEXT ITEM WE WERE ON, CORRECT? YEP.UM, SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, AND WITH ALL OF THESE, THERE'S STILL, UH, THERE, THERE IS INFORMATION, UM, OUTSTANDING.
UM, THE LED PROJECT, THAT ONE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT, UH, IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
WE HAVE THE MOST INFORMATION ON THE NIKE CENTER.
UM, RICK HAS GOTTEN A TON OF INFORMATION ALREADY ON THAT.
THE PAVING IS REALLY THE FIRST ITEM ON HERE.
THERE WAS, I, I TOOK DOWN ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAD ASKED AT OUR LAST SESSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE ROADS WOULD BE DONE, UM, WHAT THE AMOUNT HAD, I THINK ORIGINALLY HAD REQUESTED AROUND $5 MILLION, UM, FOR THE PAVING PINGING.
SO BASICALLY I HAD SENT OUT A LIST OF QUESTIONS TO EVERY, EVERY PROJECT, WHOEVER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.
UM, SO TED WAS SUPPOSED TO, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OF THIS.
UM, THE INFORMATION I REQUESTED FOR THE FIRST TIME WAS ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN AGAIN, OR I'M SORRY, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME, UH, THE TIME BEFORE THAT AUGUST 14TH.
PROVIDE THE DOLLAR FIGURE FOR HOW MUCH YOU CAN BELIEVE CAN BE REASONABLY TAKEN FROM YOUR CURRENT YEAR PAVING APPROPRIATIONS MOVING FORWARD IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE BOND.
UM, SO THAT I COULD CALCULATE A NEW UPPER COST THAT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED.
UM, DETAIL HOW MUCH THIS REDUCES ANNUAL PAVING IN TERMS OF LANE MILES, HOW MANY LANE MILES CAN REALISTICALLY BE PAVED WITHIN ONE YEAR, HOW MANY LANE MILES YOUR CURRENT LEVEL OF STAFF CAN PAVE VERSUS WHAT SHOULD BE CONTRACTED OUT.
THE DETAILED METHODOLOGY OF PROPOSED PAVING, INCLUDING RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS, UM, IN HOW THIS COMPARES TO THE RECENT PAVING THAT HAS OCCURRED.
UM, ALSO PROVIDE THE STUDY OF ROAD QUALITY REVIEWED AND REFERENCED AT PAST BOARD MEETINGS.
SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, I HAVE RECEIVED NONE OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND AS SUCH, I HAD LEFT THE RANGE ON HERE AS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING OF 200,000 TO 300,000.
HOWEVER, I WOULD CAUTION THE BOARD, UM, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PASS ANY BOND ISSUANCE IN THE FUTURE, THAT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION SHOULD STILL BE PROVIDED BEFORE YOU DO SO.
SO IT SHOWS IN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA ADD IT TO THE TAX BILL.
ARE WE GOING TO, FOR THE PAVING PROJECT AND THE GOLF COURSE, ARE WE GONNA PAY THEIR PORTIONS OUT OF THEIR BUDGETS? SO FOR THE PAVING, YOU'RE CORRECT.
WE WOULD PLAN ON TAKING THAT OUT OF HERE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT WOULD COME FROM TED'S DIRECT PAVING BUDGET.
SO YOU WOULD JUST NIX THAT RIGHT OFF OF THAT? YEP.
UM, YEAH, SO THAT COULD COME OFF OF HERE COMPLETELY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GOLF COURSE GOES, ARE YOU REFERRING TO POTENTIALLY USING FUND BALANCE LIKE WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, OR WELL, YEAH.
USE THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR FUND MM-HMM
YOU MEAN THE ENTERPRISE FUND TO PAY THEIR PORTION OF, I MEAN, TO ME, I, YOU KNOW, SPENDING SOME MONEY THERE, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S GREAT, BUT IF THEY HAVE MONEY THERE TO PAY FOR THEIR PORTION, I THINK THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD GO.
UM, I THINK THERE SH AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, UM, THAT IT ABSOLUTELY CAN COME FROM THEIR FUND BALANCE.
UM, BUT THE, THE THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WE, WE HAVE, UM, ABOUT $600,000 IN FUND BALANCE THERE NOW, I MEAN, WITH HOW LOW THE BORROWING RATES ARE, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO BORROW THESE FUNDS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, USING OUR OWN AT THIS POINT.
HOWEVER, I WOULD HOPE IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS MONEY IN, EVENTUALLY WE WON'T BE USING THE FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR IT, THAT WE DO SEE INCREASED REVENUES, OR THERE'S SOMEWHERE EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD WHERE IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO COME FROM THIS FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE.
BUT EITHER WAY, IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE TAXPAYERS.
SO YOU'D SCRATCH THAT OFF OF HERE AS WELL.
SO THAT ONE COULD COME OUT AS WELL.
ALSO, TOO, UH, ON THE, ON THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE HAD GOTTEN MIXED SIGNALS, BUT THE MOST RECENT SIGNAL COMING FROM JIM BRAND OVER AT THE GOLF COURSE AND PAT RYAN, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO MAKING SOME OF THESE COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCEWAY AND THEN SOME CAPITAL AND COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SNACK AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BUILDING, UH, THAT WE INCLUDE IN THE HIGH SIDE, UH, UP TO 250,000, UH, FIGURING MAYBE AT LEAST CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR A COMPREHENSIVE IRRIGATION STUDY THAT'S WITHIN THIS, THIS RANGE, THESE GUYS ARE OF THE OPINION.
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MARTY MAY KNOW, OR, OR, UH, UH, RICK MAY KNOW, UH, THEY CLAIM THAT UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS ON IRRIGATION, WE CAN BE IN REAL TROUBLE WITH THAT COURSE.CAN I ACTUALLY GET SOME CLARIFICATION HERE, MARTY? YES.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE, YOU HAD ON HERE FROM THE EMAIL TODAY, YOUR ENGINEERING STUDY, $60,000 MM-HMM
FOR THE IRRIGATION POND AND EROSION CONTROL.
NOW, I HAD ASKED, BEFORE I HAD GOTTEN THAT NUMBER FROM YOU TODAY, I HAD ASKED CAMMY, UM, FOR THAT INFORMATION, AND SHE HAD INDICATED TO ME THAT SHE BELIEVES A STUDY WOULD ONLY COST 9,000.
SO SHE WAS WONDERING IF THIS SOMEHOW INCLUDES THE DREDGING OF THE POND, WHICH WOULD IMPROVE THE IRRIGATION.
WELL, I COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF, UH, CAMMY TODAY TO, UH, CLARIFY THAT, BUT I DID TALK TO TOM LARDO AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, HE DID MENTION THE DREDGING.
SO, UH, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AN OVERESTIMATE SO THAT THAT CAN BE CUT BACK.
BUT CAN I, IF I CAN JUST GO BACK FOR A MINUTE TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FUND BALANCE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST STUDIES, BUT ONCE WE GET THE STUDIES AND WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE MAY HAVE TO DRAW FROM THAT FUND BALANCE TOO.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PAVING AND THEN NOT HAVE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS, THE MORE URGENT PROJECTS, BECAUSE THE IRRIGATION IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES OR BREAKS WHETHER OR NOT THAT GOLF COURSE CAN SURVIVE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE GREENS WATER AND A DRY SUMMER, LIKE THIS WAS A, A REAL, UH, MONUMENTAL TASK AND THANKS TO JIMMY AND HIS CREW FOR, FOR DOING IT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AHEAD, UH, YOU KNOW, AT, UH, NOT JUST THE STUDY, BUT ONCE WE GET THE STUDY, HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO, UH, MITIGATE THE PROBLEM? WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY KNOW UNTIL THE STUDY'S COMPLETED, RIGHT? MARTY OF IT.
BUT I, I, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING THE FUND BALANCE BEFORE WE, WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT BIGGER PROBLEM MIGHT COST.
'CAUSE THE BIG PROBLEM ON IRRIGATION, UH, FOR AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE COULD BE CLOSE TO SEVEN FIGURES.
UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK, BUT I THINK THE BOARD IS, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO CONTRADICT ME, I THINK THE BOARD IS PRETTY WELL COMMITTED TO DOING THAT IRRIGATION STUDY.
I, I THINK, SO AS FAR AS THE DECISION OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM, WE CAN HAVE IDEAS ABOUT ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT CAN ALWAYS CHANGE.
SO EVEN IF RIGHT NOW WE THINK THE PLAN IS TO USE THE GOLF COURSES FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THAT'S NOT SET IN ANY OF OUR BOND RESOLUTIONS.
SO EVERY BUDGET SEASON WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THAT CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION.
ANOTHER THING THAT THIS IS PROBABLY AS GOOD OF A TIME AS ANY TO POINT OUT IF IT WASN'T POINTED OUT, UM, BEFORE I GOT DOWN HERE, UM, IS THAT THE DEBT COMMITTEE HAD DISCUSSED WITH, UM, ONE OF OUR OUTSIDE COUNSELS ABOUT THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS UNTIL 2022.
DID YOU TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE I GOT HERE? UH, NO.
SO ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO ISSUE LATER THIS YEAR, BUT REALLY, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IS THE LED, WHICH WE DO ANTICIPATE WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE ENERGY SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT $60,000 EXTRA IS KIND OF WHERE THE CALCULATION LOOKS LIKE EVERY YEAR THAT WE CAN ALSO PUT TOWARDS PAYING FOR THE REST OF THIS DEBT.
UM, SO BECAUSE THE LED PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO COMPLETE, WE WON'T BE SEEING THAT COST SAVINGS NECESSARILY NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT WOULD PUT A HARDSHIP ON AN ALREADY, UH, DIFFICULT BUDGET PROCESS IF WE HAD TO BUDGET TO MAKE A PAYMENT IN 2021.
SO WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IS WE CAN JUST PAY FOR PRINCIPAL ONLY IN 2021.
UM, THERE'S ONLY LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MAKE A PAYMENT WITHIN THE FIRST TWO YEARS ON THE PRINCIPAL, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY WAIT UNTIL THE FALL OF 2022 TO MAKE OUR FIRST PRINCIPAL PAYMENT.
UM, AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT INCREASES THAT FIRST PAYMENT BY $55,000 FROM WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IF WE MADE THE PAYMENT IN 2021.
HOWEVER, I MEAN, WE SHOULD START, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T PUT ANY MONEY IN THE 2021 BUDGET THAT WE ADOPT, SO THAT WE DON'T FEEL THE ENTIRE EFFECT OF THAT $55,000 INCREASE WITHIN ONE BUDGET YEAR.
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ESPECIALLY WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, FINANCIALLY AND WITH THE UNCERTAINTY WITH COVID, EVERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LITTLE BIT THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN HELP PUSH THESE DEADLINES OUT IS USEFUL.SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, A GOOD THING.
SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE NECESSARILY, OR BY THEN WE WILL KNOW WHAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE STUDY COMPLETE BY THE TIME WE MAKE OUR FIRST PAYMENT THAT WE CAN DECIDE WHERE STUFF IS PAID FROM.
SO MARTY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT REALLY, THAT IRRIGATION STUDY NEEDS TO BE THE FIRST THING.
YEAH, THAT IS OUR MOST URGENT PROBLEM.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE EROSION IS UNDER CONTROL, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED TOO.
SO, UH, BUT IRRIGATION IS FIRST, AND WITH, UM, SINCE WE'RE ISSUING A BOND BECAUSE OF WHERE THE RATES ARE AT, THEY'RE SO LOW, THERE'S NO REASON TO ISSUE A BAN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER.
WE HAVE THREE YEARS TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE ISSUING THIS DEBT FOR.
SO WHAT CAN ALWAYS HAPPEN AS WELL, IF WE WANNA HAVE THIS STUDY TAKE PLACE FIRST, THE STUDY COULD TAKE PLACE PRIOR TO ANY OF THAT OTHER WORK BEING DONE AT THE GOLF COURSE, IN CASE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD PRIORITIZES DIFFERENTLY AND WE HAVE TO REEVALUATE THIS, IT, IT'S A THREE YEAR PERIOD, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S STOPPING US.
IF WE APPROVE THE 250,000 OR WHATEVER AMOUNT YOU DETERMINE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AT ONCE.
WE MAY BE ABLE MARTY TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, SNACK BAR AREA, UH, COSMETIC AND STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND, UH, UNDERTAKE THE IRRIGATION STUDY SIMULTANEOUSLY.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE TO NECESSARILY PUT THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, TO THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES ON HOLD WHILE WE DID THE IRRIGATION SITE.
YEAH, NO, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I, I THINK WE CAN, I, I I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, THAT IS, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, UH, MONEY AND THE BOND TO DO THE PROJECT.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDY HAPPENS, AND THEN WHATEVER OTHER, UM, ADDITIONS TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND BEAUTIFICATION WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
WHAT I WAS THINKING IS, UM, MS. MARTY DID A GOOD JOB SENDING A DETAILED EMAIL FROM THE, THE DEPARTMENT.
SO IF WE COULD, IF, IF YOU HAVE AND WANNA WALK US THROUGH LINE BY LINE ITEM OKAY.
UM, AND I, I WAS PERSONALLY ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO AN ONSITE INSPECTION OF THE GOLF COURSE BY PLAYING NINE ROUNDS, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND.
AND, UH, DESPITE THE, YOU PLAYED NINE ROUND, I PLAYED NINE HOLES AT TIMES IT FELT LIKE NINE ROUNDS NOT COUNT.
AND SO, UM, IT WAS INTERESTING THOUGH, BECAUSE I, I GOT A FEEL OF COURSE, IN TERMS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE AREAS.
UM, AND THEN TO GET THE DETAILED EMAIL TODAY, UM, WAS, WAS GREAT BECAUSE YOU REALLY HIT ON SOME OF THE POINTS THAT ARE KIND OF CLEAR FOR ANYBODY IF YOU GO AND DO AN ONSITE INSPECTION.
SO, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO OUR FRIENDS AT B AND G WHO, RICKY, UH, GETTING ALL THE NUMBERS FOR US AT THE NIKE BASIN.
AND, UM, LUKE SULLIVAN, MY GOLF MANAGER, WORKED WITH JIMMY, UH, ON THESE GOLF, UH, ITEMS. UM, AND AGAIN, I, I PROBABLY OVERESTIMATED THE ENGINEERING STUDIES BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET IN TOUCH.
WELL, I, I, I DIDN'T TRY UNTIL TODAY, SO I'M NOT BLAMING KAMI, BUT I, I, I NEEDED TO HEAR MORE FROM HER ABOUT FIRMING UP THOSE STUDIES.
BUT AGAIN, IRRIGATION AND EROSION TO, UH, CRUCIAL ITEMS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BOND FOR, BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AHEAD AND GET AND GET AHEAD OF THAT.
UH, SO I PUT DOWN $60,000 PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE THAN THAN NEEDED.
UM, HARD PASS IN CERTAIN AREAS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, LUKE, WHEN I'M DONE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, UH, ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO THE GOLF COURSE AND THE BEAUTIFICATION ALSO IMPORTANT IS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET ON THEIR CART, WE DON'T WANT THEM GOING THROUGH A MUDDY POTHOLE AREA TO GET TO THEIR NEXT HOLE.
SO CERTAIN AREAS ARE LIKE THAT AND, AND WE WANT TO IMPROVE THOSE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE CAR LOT TO THE RANGE T, THE STARTER SHACK TO THE NUMBER ONE T AND THE HILL NEAR HOLE NUMBER 12.
ALSO, UM, UH, MARTY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION THERE? SURE.
SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED, UM, I THINK THERE'S MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY PAVING LINE POSSIBLY YEAH.
FOR TWO OF THE PARKING LOTS, BUT, UH, NOT THE GOLF COURSE THOUGH, BUT WE HAD PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE MM-HMM.
FOR SOME KIND OF CART PATH ISSUE.
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NOT BEEN OUT TO PLAY NINE ROUNDS LATELY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CART PATH ISSUE IS.UM, BUT IS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR CART PATH ESTIMATE OF $60,000 THERE? NO, I THINK THAT'S SEPARATE.
YEAH, BECAUSE AGAIN, JIMMY AND LUKE WERE DOING THE ESTIMATES, AND THEN THEY WERE JUST LOOKING AT THOSE THREE AREAS.
SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE ISSUE, THE CART PATH ISSUE, OR WHAT KIND OF IS THE BEST THING TO CALL IT FOR WHAT WE WERE PUTTING IN THE COMMUNITY PAVING? LUKE? I'M NOT, THAT I'M NOT SURE OF, I KNOW WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THERE ARE JUST THE CAR PASS AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE THAT IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE, REALLY.
UM, THE CAR PATH'S GOING DOWN TO OUR RANGE TEAM, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS AND ADULTS THAT WALK TO AND FROM, TO GET TO THEIR LESSONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING WITH THE OTHER, I MEAN, ALL THE CAR PATHS, IT'S REALLY A SAFETY ISSUE, LIABILITY ISSUE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CARPENTER, YOU KNOW, THE CARTS ARE TAKING A BEATING, UM, ON A REGULAR BASIS AS FAR AS THAT, THAT OTHER ITEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
UH, I KNOW THIS CAME FROM SOMEWHERE.
WELL, JIM, DO YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT IT IS? WELL, THE COMMUNITY PAVING, UH, UH, THAT WAS ESTIMATIONS WERE PUT TOGETHER BY PAT RYAN.
NOW, HE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UM, THE PARKING LOTS AT THE ICE ARENA AND THE ENTRANCEWAY GOING UP.
YOU ALSO HAD AN ESTIMATE FOR REPAVING THE PARKING AREA IN FRONT OF THE B AND G BUILDING.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM WE PUT IN THERE WAS LIKE A LIP ON THE, THE CART PATH.
WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE THIRD ITEM WAS THE CART PATH FROM THE PARKING LOT DOWN TO THE PRACTICE AREA, WHICH WAS CONSIDERED TO BE VERY IRREGULAR AND BUMPY AND ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT, YEAH, IT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT MARTY REFERENCED.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THESE THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE SAME.
A PERSON THAT HASN'T BEEN TO THE GOLF COURSE IS TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'D PROBABLY KEEP THE COMMUNITY PARKING AS GOING DOWN TO THE BACK TO WHERE THE KIDS, WHERE THE RANGE IS.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE MORE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN, RIGHT, THE, THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND THEN SOME OF THE PAVING YOU WANT THAT'S GONNA BE ACTUALLY ON THE COURSE WOULD BE UNDER THE, UNDER, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS.
DO YOU THINK THAT 250 MARTY, ON THE UPSIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS IS, IS SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? WELL, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM SEAN, BECAUSE SEAN HAD SOME IDEAS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT, WOULD TAKE US A LITTLE FARTHER IN, IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
SO SEAN, DO, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON, ON THAT? UM, I MEAN, MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON THE TWO 50 IS REALLY, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE NIKE BASE IN TERMS OF HERE YOU'VE GOT A FACILITY THAT'S BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A VERY LONG TIME, 40, 50 YEARS, THE GOLF COURSE, UM, NEXT TO NO MAJOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LAST DECADE TO, TO 20 YEARS, PROBABLY SINCE IT BECAME IN 18, UH, WHOLE COURSE, WHICH WAS, UH, 19 98, 19 98.
SO WE'RE TALKING OVER 20 YEARS AND, UH, HOW THEY, THEY OPERATE THE COURSE.
UH, THERE'S OTHER LOCAL COURSES HERE THAT SPEND ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY TO MAINTAIN THEIR COURSES AND FACILITIES.
I BELIEVE OUR BUDGET IS MORE IN THE 350,000, UH, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL OPERATING, UH, ALIGNED.
SO ALMOST A THIRD OF WHAT SOME OTHER COURSES.
NOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, UM, NOT NEEDING TO BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST COURSE, UH, IN WESTERN NEW YORK, BUT OVER 22 YEARS, WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MUCH LESS THAN SOME OTHER COURSES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A, A, A 10 15 MILE RADIUS, UM, YOU DO HAVE TO REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA PUT SOME MONEY BACK INTO IT.
UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT'S REALLY THE ONLY OPERATION THAT'S A PROFITABLE, GENERALLY BEEN A PROFITABLE OPERATION FOR THE TOWN.
SO, UH, PUTTING THAT IN PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF, OF A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, UM, I THINK IS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A STARTING POINT.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO THERE AND DO THE ON ONSITE INSPECTION, YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE AREAS WHERE IT'S JUST GROUND UP.
UH, ACTUALLY, I, I TOOK, I TOOK SOME PICTURES SO I CAN SHOW YOU.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT MAJOR UPGRADES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY NECESSARY UPGRADES.
SO I THINK TWO 50 AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, IS A STARTING POINT.
NOW, WHAT MARTY'S REFERRING TO IS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE GOLF COURSE, UH, IS TRYING TO MAKE IT A DESTINATION WHERE NOT ONLY ARE YOU GONNA GO AND PLAY AROUND AND LEAVE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA GO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CUP, A COFFEE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PASTRY IN THE MORNING, OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LUNCH, OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DINNER AND A DRINK AFTER.
UM, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE CAN DO A COUPLE THINGS.
WE CAN INCREASE PROFITABILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST GOLF COURSES ACTUALLY MAKE THEIR MONEY.
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BY HAVING TOURNAMENTS, BY HAVING EVENTS, BY HAVING PEOPLE STAY AND THEN SPEND IT, INSTEAD OF SPENDING $30, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPENDING $40 BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY SPENDING THE 30 ON THE GOLF, BUT THEY'RE SPENDING 10 FOR A DRINK OR SOMETHING TO EAT AFTER.UM, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE, THE NUMBER OF GOLFERS, HOW MANY GOLFERS DO WE HAVE? GO THROUGH BALLPARK IN A YEAR? 30,000 FIGURE, 26, 20 7,000 ROUNDS A YEAR.
SO 26,000 ROUNDS INSTEAD OF THOSE GOLFERS, YOU KNOW, COMING AND GOING TO, TO GET A BIGGER PORTION OF THOSE TO STAY.
I THINK IF WE PUT SOME MONEY INTO HAVING THAT AS, AS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A DESTINATION BY JUST, YOU KNOW, DRESSING IT UP, I THINK IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG FOR THAT MONEY TO, TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION, AGAIN, I'M KIND OF THINKING REALLY OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT MOST COURSES WILL HAVE THE 18TH GREEN IS VISIBLE.
SO PEOPLE AFTER THEIR ROUND CAN SIT, HAVE A DRINK, WATCH THE GOLFERS COME IN, OR THEY CAN SITUATE, UH, SOME TYPE OF LITTLE PATIO WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING THEIR BEVERAGE AND, AND WATCH THE GOLFERS ON THE COURSE AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING INSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE OR THE BUILDING.
SO IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH AGAIN, UH, IS CERTAINLY GONNA COST MONEY, BUT I THINK WE WOULD ONLY DO IT IF WE THOUGHT THAT THAT MONEY WAS GONNA GET RETURNED TO US.
AND THEN SOME, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AFTER 22 YEARS OF REALLY NO MAJOR CHANGES TO, UH, THE CLUBHOUSE, THE, THE DINING, UH, ASPECT, UM, THE, THE, THE ASPECT OF POSSIBLY HAVING TOURNAMENTS AND HAVING, AGAIN, THE MOST PROFITABLE REVENUE PRODUCING, UH, ACTIVITIES THERE, UM, THAT ARE ALSO GREAT RESOURCES FOR THE TOWN, FOR NONPROFITS AND GROUPS THAT WANNA HAVE AN OUTING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES OR FOR THAT, UM, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY MISSING THE BOAT AND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SPENT NOW WOULD PROBABLY REALLY GO A LONG WAY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT.
UM, AND WHAT I'M EVEN PROPOSING HERE IS PROBABLY NOT, MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO, AGAIN, DEPENDS ON THE SCALE OF WHAT WE DO, UM, BUT AT LEAST THESE ARE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE START TO EXPLORE IT.
AND JUST LIKE THE NIKE CENTER WHERE WE SPENT A DECADE TALKING ABOUT IT, DOING STUDIES, HAVING, YOU KNOW, VOTES ON IT AND THINGS.
SO IT TOOK TIME TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
NOW IT'S PRETTY EASY TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON THE NIKE CENTER 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE ALL THE HOMEWORK, WE'VE GOT ALL THE QUOTES, WE'VE DONE ALL THE RESEARCH, WE'VE HAD ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE JUST DOING IT.
THE GOLF COURSE, WE'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
BUT, UM, IF WE PUT A LITTLE MONEY IN, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IN THE BIG SCHEME, 250,000 IS, IS ON THE, THE LOWER SIDE OF WHAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO, WOULD NEED MAYBE OVER TIME, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A STARTING POINT.
AND IT'LL ALLOW US SOME TIME TO MAYBE FORMULATE THOSE BIGGER PICTURE ITEMS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE.
I MARTY YOU, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UH, I THINK PART OF THE DRAW OF OUR GOLF COURSE IS ITS SIMPLICITY.
UH, IF WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO DO THE BATHROOMS, WE NEED TO NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT IN MY OPINION, TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, AND IF, IF I'M BREATHING THIS WRONG, TELL ME TO SWITCH THAT KITCHEN FROM WHAT IT IS NOW TO SOMETHING MORE UPSCALE.
UH, I, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
I'M DEFINITELY NOT THINKING THAT.
WHAT I'M THINKING IS YOU HAVE ANOTHER AREA WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR, THE SAME DRINK, THE SAME FOOD, THE SAME AREA.
BUT YOU CAN WALK OVER, YOU KNOW, TAKE A ONE MINUTE WALK AND HAVE NICE TABLES THAT THEY CLEAR SOME TREES, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE.
MAYBE IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE, MAYBE IT'S THE 18TH HOLE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UPSCALE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HIGH END, BUT IT HAS TO BE IMPROVED CLEAN, NICE.
AND WELL MAINTAIN CLEAN, NICE, WELL MAINTAINED AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY WHERE THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF MAYBE GOING OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE COURSE AT SOMETHING SO YOU ARE REALLY ON THE SAME PAGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I I AGREE WITH YOU, MIKE, THIS, THIS SNACK SHOP HAS TO OFFER A CLEANER, MORE MODERN LOOK.
AND, AND THE MENU, UH, CAN BE VERY GOOD.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A TERRIFIC CHEESEBURGER AND, UH, GREAT SANDWICHES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE CONTRACT OUT FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO GETTING THE RIGHT PERSON OR GETTING THE RIGHT ENTITY IN THERE IS IMPORTANT.
BUT I THINK EVERYBODY IS SAYING, MARTY, UNLESS YOU DISAGREE, TWO 50 MAYBE IS MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE LOW END.
I WOULD AGREE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS BOT.
AND I THINK ANY MISUNDERSTANDING REALLY COMES FROM THE FACT THAT I INTERRUPTED MARTY WITH THE QUESTION ON THE CART PATH, SO HE DIDN'T EXACTLY
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MAKE IT DOWN TO THE REST OF HIS LIST.BUT, UM, SO I APOLOGIZE THERE, MARTY.
UM, SO UNDER THE BEAUTIFICATION, HE SENT THIS OUT TODAY, $100,000.
THAT INCLUDES THE ENTRY DRIVEWAY, THE CLUBHOUSE AREA, LANDSCAPING, UH, CURB T AREAS, AND, UH, THE GAZEBO AREA.
SO I, IT'S NOT LIKE A WHOLE REVAMP OF THE KITCHEN OR ANY BY ANY MEANS.
AND I THINK SEAN AND I, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY HI, BECAUSE I HAD, UH, JOE WENZEL DID SOME INPUT TOO, AND HE HAD DONE, UM, A PROPOSAL FOR EXPANDING THE GAZEBO AREA WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A BIGGER PATIO AND YEAH.
AND, UH, AGAIN, PLACES FOR TOURNAMENTS AND, AND GATHERINGS.
IT JUST, I THINK YOU WANTED IT SOMEPLACE ELSE, WHICH AGAIN, IN THE LONG RUN, WHATEVER WORKS OUT THE BEST IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SAME IDEA, UH, JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY WHEN THEY WERE THERE.
AND, AND IDEALLY, AND, AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN, BUT ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE MONEY FOR A GOLF COURSE IS A DRIVING RANGE, BUT TRYING TO FIND ADJACENT LAND IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TOO, IF, IF THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SPOT BIG ENOUGH WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE.
SO, AND I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, EVEN JIMMY HAD SUGGESTED LIKE HOW THE SEASON PASS HOLDERS, LIKE THEY HAVE, THEY TAKE UP THE WEEKEND TEE TIMES.
IF WE KIND OF RE UM, WE KIND OF CHANGE THOSE WHERE THERE'S A PASS PRICE THAT INCLUDES THE WEEKENDS, THERE COULD BE ONE THAT DOESN'T.
THAT WAY YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF THAT DOLLAR VALUE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S, AT LEAST FROM WHEN HE WAS HERE AND, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU MARTY, THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING.
WHILE THAT IS THE HOPE, BUT WE COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE HOW THE FEE STRUCTURES WORK BASED ON WHAT WE DO.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T LOSE FOCUS OF THE FACT THAT, THAT WE HAVE THESE OTHER COSTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD TOO.
I MEAN, AND BEFORE ANYTHING IRRIGATION AND THE EROSION, YOU KNOW, THE SNACK, THAT'S, YEAH.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, WHAT REALLY MATTER IF, IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THESE OTHER ITEMS. SO WHILE THERE MIGHT BE SOME, YOU KNOW, EXTRA WE CAN PUT IN HERE TO ACCOMMODATE, I ALMOST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT OVEREXTENDING IN THAT REGARD NOW UNTIL THOSE ESSENTIAL ITEMS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
SHORT TERM, LONG TERM, WHATEVER.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING, I AGREE WITH THE BIG PICTURE OF, OF INVESTING IN IT, ESPECIALLY THE BEAUTIFICATION STUFF, MAKING IT MORE OF A DESTINATION.
BUT WHERE ARE WE AT? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IRRIGATION, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE ISSUES, ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF.
IS THERE, YOU KNOW, A PLAN WITH STEPS AS FAR AS HOW HIGH THAT CAN GO? UM, THE IRRIGATION'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE COST ON? WE DON'T, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THIS STUDY BA BASED ON WHAT OTHER COURSES HAVE DONE.
AN 18 HOLE IRRIGATION SYSTEM CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
I HAD MENTIONED CLOSE TO SEVEN FIGURES THAT COULD WELL BE TRUE.
NOW, THIS PARTICULAR BOND ISSUE TALKS ABOUT THE STUDY ONLY.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CONDUCTING THE IRRIGATION WORK, BIDDING IT OUT, WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER IN 21, 20 21 OR 2022, UH, A SUPPLEMENTAL BOND.
UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT OUT OF OPERATING REVENUES AND WITH, WITH AN IRRIGATION UPGRADE OF SOME KIND IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE HORIZON, THAT WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND, BUT IT WOULD HAVE A PPU OF AT LEAST 15 YEARS LIKELY MORE THAN THAT.
SO THAT COST WOULD BE SPREAD OVER, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ONCE WE UNDERTAKE THAT.
IT'S GOING TO REALLY SKEW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, EVERYONE'S ALREADY SAID IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
SO IT WON'T NECESSARILY MAKE OUR PAYMENTS AT ANY POINT.
WELL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID BONDING, THE, IT WAS, IT WAS PAID BACK BY THE ENTERPRISE FUND, SO THE TAXPAYERS AREN'T REALLY PAYING FOR IT.
THE GOLFERS ARE PAYING FOR IT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE'RE BONDING FOR THE GOLF COURSE, SHOULD THE, THE GOLFERS PAY IT BACK AS AGAIN, AS IT'S SET UP ENTERPRISE MM-HMM
SO I THINK THAT POINT IS KIND, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT, EITHER WAY YOU TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S STILL THE SAME POT OF MONEY BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE LESS PROFIT THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH THEN WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT USING FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR IT.
SO I THINK THE IDEA, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T, NO, WE HAVE NO IDEA.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO BE CONTINUED,
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WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT.WE CAN GET THE STUDY MOVING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND THEN LOOK, COME THE NEW YEAR AS TO WHAT THE PROJECTED COST FOR IRRIGATION'S GONNA BE.
AND I AGREE WITH BETH THAT THE IRRIGATION DRAINAGE IS HIGH PRIORITY.
UH, THE BEAUTY OF THAT COURSE IS THE SIMPLICITY, THE AFFORDABILITY, THE ACCESSIBILITY, UH, SO WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THE FOCUS ON THOSE.
UH, BUT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED 14 DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE, KIND OF BROKEN IT DOWN INTO, INTO THE TWO 50.
UM, THAT I THINK IS JUST WHILE WE'RE UPDATING OUR RECREATION, WE'RE UPDATING, UH, SOME OF THE KEY PARTS OF THE, THE TOWN, UH, THIS ONE WITHOUT 22 YEARS WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT MONEY GOING IN, THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF SCRATCHING THE SURFACE, KIND OF GETTING US SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST BE IN POSITION AS TIME GOES ON TO IMPROVE THE FACILITY.
AND I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DONE AND IT KEEPS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRODUCT VIABLE AND, AND PEOPLE WANT TO COME THERE.
BUT I GUESS I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT CAUTIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO EXPAND, UM, THE MODEL OR WHAT'S BEING OFFERED THERE.
AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE A TOWN AND WE WANNA OFFER A GOOD PRODUCT FOR WHAT IT IS, A GOLF COURSE.
AND I WOULD JUST, I GUESS WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT, UM, GOING BEYOND WHAT WE REALLY MAYBE SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE DOING.
AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE YOU AGREE TO THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW, YOU WILL STILL HAVE INPUT AND SAY IN EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS.
THIS IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY STEP THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT WE NEED TO HAVE THESE RESOLUTIONS ADOPTED FOR THE GENERAL SCOPE AND THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE AMOUNT WE WILL BORROW FOR IN THIS DEBT ISSUANCE DUE TO THE DIFFERENT TIMING DEADLINES.
SO THIS IS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE AMOUNT.
YOU WILL BOND FOR, LET ME, LET, LET, LET'S MOVE ON.
AS ARE WE, ARE WE PRETTY WELL WE, WE'VE REALLY KIND OF GONE OVER THE GOLF COURSE, UH, ISSUES IN, IN SOME DETAIL.
IF YOU'RE GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH TWO 50 AND WHAT WE'RE APPROPRIATING IT FOR, THEN I THEN MAYBE WE'LL MOVE ON TO A DA COMPLIANCE.
SAM, I'LL START WITH YOU AND THEN WE'LL GO TO BROTHER PAUL HERE.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY? SO, SO WE'VE DECIDED ON THE TWO 50, WELL, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF, THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA BE UNLESS YOU'RE TELLING ME, YEAH, LET'S JUST GO AROUND AND GET EVERYBODY'S OPINION SO WE KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.
I THOUGHT WE HAD COME TO THE CONSENSUS, BUT IF NOT, LET ME KNOW ALL IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SPOTS TO, TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS.
I, I GUESS THAT IN MY ESTIMATION WOULD BE ONE AREA.
I, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING OUT AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH SOME OF THESE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE ESSENTIALS.
SO WHAT AMOUNT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO? I GUESS I WAS LOOKING PROBABLY THERE MORE SEEING AT THE 200, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU ARE KNOWING SOME OF THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
I DON'T WANT TO SHORT SOMETHING THAT'S ESSENTIAL, BUT IF I MAY, SAM, FOR, UH, WHEN YOU SAY SEVEN FIGURES, DO YOU MEAN A MILLION? YEAH.
FOR A MILLION DOLLARS OVER 15 YEARS.
WHAT'S A PAYMENT? UM, OFF JUST 1 MILLION OFF THE CUFF.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE ME A MINUTE WITH IT.
UH, YOU WANNA, IT, IT IS ABOUT $3 AND 50 CENTS.
THREE 50 WHAT? $3 AND 50 CENTS IS HOW MUCH IT WOULD AFFECT? UH, NO, NO TO TOTALLY.
WHAT WOULD A PAYMENT BE ON IT? YOU PAY FOR THIS ON ENTERPRISE FUND, A MILLION DOLLAR BOND FOR 15 YEARS.
HOW MUCH A YEAR WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID TO PAY THAT? YOU GOTTA HAVE THE INTEREST RATE.
LET ME FIND IT AND I'LL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
UH, SOMEWHERE WITHIN THIS PILE SHORTLY, IF IT'S WORST CASE SCENARIO, IT'S GONNA DO THAT, SEE HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AND SEE IF THAT WOULD HANDLE IT.
SO 60,000 A YEAR TO PAY FOR THE MILLION DOLLARS MM-HMM
PLUS, PLUS I, I WOULD SAY 70 WOULD BE CONSERVATIVE.
SO IF YOU HAVE 27,000 GOLFERS GOING THROUGH, IF YOU RAISE TWO BUCKS SOMEWHERE ON 'EM, THAT WOULD COVER THAT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION AT THIS POINT GOING LOWER THAN THE 250,000 IF YOU WANNA, I UNDERSTAND BETH'S POINT OF BEING CONSERVATIVE, MAYBE SHE THINKS LESS MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, UM, IN THE ESTIMATE DO NEED TO BE SOLIDIFIED FOR THE PURPOSES FOR MONDAY, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SMART TO GO WITH THE TWO 50 AND THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS REDUCE THAT WE'RE WITH
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WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.WE ACTUALLY WON'T NEED TO KNOW THE AMOUNTS THAT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY BORROW FOR UNTIL I BELIEVE OCTOBER 23RD ISH.
SO AS LONG AS YOU ADOPT THE TWO 50, YOU CAN GO LOWER UNTIL OCTOBER 25TH.
WE ASSUME WE'RE NOT GOING HIGHER, SO PROBABLY SAFE AT TWO 50 FOR NOW ANYWAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ONE? WELL, WHAT DO YOU SAY WE GO ON TO A DA, SAM AND THEN CHRIS.
OKAY, SO WITH THE A DA COMPLIANCE PROJECT, THAT WAS ONE THAT I THINK HAS CHANGED AT LEAST, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE WE HAD MET BEFORE.
UM, I HAD MET WITH CHRIS BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAD THE A DA COMPLIANCE TANGLED WITH THE REMODEL OF THE OLD POLICE DISPATCH AREA AND THERE WAS MULTIPLE YEARS OF CDBG FUNDING.
WE HAD ASSEMBLYMAN RYAN'S MONEY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO I NEEDED TO BREAK THOSE OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO ENTIRELY SEPARATE PROJECTS AS FAR AS A DA COMPLIANCE, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITHIN THAT.
UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CHRIS, AND I'M SURE HE'LL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE CDBG FUNDING, UM, AND POTENTIAL FUNDING WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT, UM, FOR NEXT YEAR, THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED TO HANDLE THE RAMP, THE RESTROOM AND RESTROOM TRAILER AT THE BEACH, AND THEN ALSO TO HANDLE THE, UH, REDOING THE AREA ACROSS FROM THE COURTS.
NOT THE POLICE DISPATCH AREA, BUT THE LOUNGE AREA OVER THERE IN RESTROOM SO THAT THAT IS HANDICAP COMPLIANT.
SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH CDBG FUNDING, RIGHT, CHRIS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN, UM, THE NIKE CENTER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR HANDICAP COMPLIANCE, THAT WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH THE REMODELING WE'RE ALREADY DOING WITH THE $2 MILLION THAT NUMBER THAT'S THERE.
SO WHAT THIS 200,000 OR 150 ON THE LOW END, WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IS THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECTS THAT, UM, WERE WITHIN CHRIS'S A DA TRANSITION PLAN.
SO BASICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING WE NEED TOWN WIDE FOR A DA COMPLIANCE FROM THIS REPORT THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THERE IS THAT PORTION OF IT.
WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE POLICE SECTION ONCE WE GET TO IT LATER ON.
HOWEVER, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT NOW THAT THE ASSEMBLYMAN RYAN'S MONEY THAT HAS NOT, IS NOT FACTORED INTO THE A DA COMPLIANCE PORTION OF THIS.
THAT IS MONEY IN ADDITION TO THESE NUMBERS YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THAT WE WILL HAVE, UM, THAT I THINK WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICE DISPATCH CONVERSION FOR THAT.
SO WE DID GET, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DID GET THAT AWARD LETTER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW AS WE'RE FIGURING OUT FROM ASSEMBLYMAN RYAN.
SO WE DID GET, UM, THAT IS VERY GOOD NEWS.
UM, SO, SO I GUESS WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SECTION OF IT, I JUST WANTED, IT WAS KIND OF JUST EVERYTHING WAS TANGLED A BIT TOGETHER.
THIS GIVES YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF IT SEPARATELY.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED POSS YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE, POTENTIALLY TAKING MORE TIME TO DO THESE ITEMS. THIS ONE 50 TO 200,000, THIS WOULD GET THIS ENTIRE LIST DONE.
AND DOES THAT THEN THE 75,000 THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER, UH, 75,000 FROM YOUR CDEG FUNDS OVER THE TWO YEARS OR NOT.
THAT WILL, THAT HANDLES THE THREE ITEMS I MENTIONED, THE UPSTAIRS BATHROOMS, THE TRAILER AND THE RAMP AND THE RAMP BETWEEN THERE.
SO THAT IS ALREADY, THAT IS SPENT, RIGHT.
IF I MAY, THE STUFF AT THE TOWN BEACH, UM, THE RAMP AND THE ACCESSIBILITY AND A RESTROOM TRAILER DOWN THERE ARE COVERED UNDER OUR 20, OUR CURRENT MONEY, 2020 MONEY OR 2019 MONEY ACTUALLY.
WE'RE GONNA BE GOING OUT TO BID THIS FALL FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE MONEY FOR WHICH THE PLANS, I SENT EVERYBODY THE PLANS AND THE ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT 75,000 OR ANTICIPATING IN 2021 CDBG MONEY.
UH, IF AND MEANT WE DO GET THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY SAM WAS CORRECT.
WE CAN'T DO ONE WITH SOME OF THE BLOCK GRANT MONEY AND YOU CAN'T GO IN AND DO THE BACK WITH, WITH THAT AS WELL.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT.
BUT GETTING INTO THAT, THE OLD DISPATCH AREA WE HAD STILL ENVIRONMENTAL OUT TODAY.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US A, A COST ESTIMATE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT, UM, TESTED OUT FOR
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ASBESTOS, LEAD MOLD, PCBS, EVERYTHING OUT THERE.AND WE'LL AS I TALK TO YOU MR. SUPERVISOR ABOUT THAT YEAH.
GO FORWARD WITH THAT AND THE BETTER IDEA WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO GET DONE BACK THERE WITH THE 75.
BUT IT'S GONNA, WELL, SO CHRIS, WAS IT, IT WAS TESTED TODAY? NO, THE GUY CAME OUT TO SEE WHAT NEEDED TO BE TESTED AND THEN HE'S GONNA SEND US AN ESTIMATE TO TEST.
NOW RAY DID YOU, DID YOU, WE ALSO OKAY.
BUT INCLUDING THAT, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE GUY, MY GUY.
WE HAD THE REST OF THE TOWN HALL, ALL THE HALLWAYS, ALL THE ROOMS. UM, SO WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT.
AS SOON AS I GET THAT, I'LL GIVE IT TO CHRIS AND YEAH, WELL, RAY AND MYSELF ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT.
SO I KNOW RAY, YOU HAD GOT AN ESTIMATE ON ASBESTOS REMOVAL A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT THAT WAS ONLY THE, LIKE THE CEILINGS OR THE FLOORS? THAT WASN'T EVERYTHING? NO, IT WAS JUST THE FLOORS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE TESTED.
YOU, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED MM-HMM
WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU DO IT.
AND WHEN IS THE TESTING HAPPENING? UM, HE WAS OUT DOING THE ESTIMATE TODAY.
WHEN I HEAR IT, WHEN I GET IT BACK, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S REALLY, AND I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF SHIFTING GEARS AND, UM, THE, WITH THE, THIS IS NOT EDA ON.
THIS IS PART OF THAT WITH THE NUMBER NINE.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER WHEN WE GET THERE.
UM, THAT IS MY CONCERN THAT THAT IS THE, THE MOST UNDERSTATED PROJECT ON THIS SHEET SO FAR.
CHRIS, LET ME, UH, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
UH, NOTWITHSTANDING, UH, A SUMMON RYAN'S GRANT, THE, UH, LEAD PAINT STUDIES, UH, THE MOLE, UH, ALL, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT IS GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE BOND ISSUANCE.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT HAS TO GO INTO THAT.
AM I CORRECT OR AM I WRONG? YOU MEAN FOR THE LEAD IN? YES SIR.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU THINK YOU CAN FIND IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THAT'S MY JOB, CHRIS
YOU MEAN FIND IT FROM CDB, LIKE PROGRAM INCOME GRANT MONEY.
YEAH, IT'S A REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS THAT GO AROUND AND WE, WE CAN USE IT FOR TESTING.
OKAY, SO THAT COULD BE COVERED.
WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, STILL ENVIRONMENTAL IS ALREADY, UH, UNDER CONTRACT WITH ERIE COUNTY AND HAMBURG TO DO OUR HOME, OUR HOME PROGRAM TESTING, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR GRANTS.
SO, SO NOW WHEN WE RECEIVE THE, SO WHEN WE GET THE QUOTE ON HOW MUCH THIS WILL COST, I, I MEAN, ARE WE THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE OVER PURCHASING POLICY THRESHOLDS THAT THIS IS IT WAS A CONTRACT WITH THEM ALREADY.
SO, UM, I GUESS DEPENDING ON, I MEAN, EITHER WAY, REGARDLESS IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, THE POLICE AREA REMODEL, IS EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TESTED? I THINK WE DO THAT REGARDLESS.
SO WHENEVER CHRIS DOES GET THAT QUOTE, AS LONG AS HE NOTIFIES ALL OF US, WE CAN PROCEED FORWARD.
SO FOR THE BOND PURPOSES, FOR THE BOND PURPOSES THOUGH, CHRIS, UH, WE'VE GOT A HIGH RANGE OF 200,000 TO ONE 50.
YOU THINK THAT IS ADEQUATE? TWO 50 TO ONE 50? TWO 50.
IS THAT ADEQUATE? YOU TALKING ABOUT A DA? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HE'S ON THE BONDED INDEBTEDNESS FOR, UH, FOR THIS, FOR A DA IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ADEQUATE? THAT'S THE ONE 50 TO 200.
YOU'RE JUMPING BACK TO THE AADA A YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING A DA THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.
THE, UH, THE ONE 50 TO 200 IS A GOOD, GOOD ESTIMATE.
ALRIGHT, BECAUSE WE ESTIMATE WE'LL GET TO NUMBER NINE WITH RAY IN A MINUTE.
TOWN HALL POLICE DISPATCH, REMODEL.
WE'VE ESTIMATED BETWEEN ONE 50 AND TWO 50 I, YOU GUYS CAN TELL US WHETHER THAT MAKES SOME SENSE.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO THAT WITH RAY NOW AS LONG AS WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ON A COMPANION COURSE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE OVERALL ESTIMATIONS FOR RECONFIGURING THE OLD LOCKUP AREA, THE DISPATCH AREA WHERE THE POLICE USED TO BE IN THE MAIN BUILDING? SORRY, ANY ESTIMATIONS OF WHAT YOU THINK THE OVERALL COST MIGHT BE TO MAKE IT UPDATED MODERN OFFICE SPACE? WELL, I, I GUESS MY, MY POINT IS I THINK WE NEED THE BOARD TO SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT THERE? YEAH.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GONNA, UM, ENTAIL WHAT, WHAT THE FLOOR'S GONNA BE LIKE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE RUGS IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SET UP ELECTRICITY AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
I GUESS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF VISION AND WHAT DO YOU WANNA PUT BACK THERE? OKAY.
THEN WE CAN START KNOCKING OUT WALLS AND DOING WHAT WE GOTTA DO.
BUT YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THE, WHAT THE COST IS.
WE JUST GIVE YOU ROUGH NUMBERS.
I DON'T, AND THESE NUMBERS', THE, SO WITH THIS, IT WAS, UH, UM, FOR THE WALL LIKE
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DRYWALL, UM, FOR THE CEILING.SEE THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS NOT TO GO INTO THE CEILING.
NOW WE'RE GOING INTO THE CEILING.
WE WERE JUST GONNA PUT NEW TILES IN.
NOW, NOW CHRIS HAS THIS GUY COMING IN AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE WHOLE TOP TO BOTTOM MM-HMM
SO THIS IS JUST AT VERY BASIC GENERAL OFFICE USE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ABATED.
I MEAN, THE COST IS GONNA BE PROBABLY THREE TO 500,000.
YOU GET INTO ABATEMENT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A, WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU GOTTA TAKE THE FIRST STEP BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE THE SECOND.
SO I GUESS WE NEED A RESOLUTION FOR MONDAY.
SO THERE DO, THAT STATES AN AMOUNT.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, I WE DON'T KNOW HOW QUICK THE TURNAROUND ON THIS CAN BE, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN TOMORROW AND SEE HOW SOON WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF A QUOTE ON IT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK BEFORE MONDAY IS UNLIKELY.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S HOT.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S HOT AND WHAT'S NOT.
AND LIKE YOUR FLOORS, LOOK, IF YOUR FLOORS ARE HOT, YOU CAN ENCAPSULATE THEM AND DO A FLOOR OVER THE TOP OF IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT FLOOR WE GO WITH IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT RAY ONTO HERE IS WHAT FINISHES ARE YOU MM-HMM.
GONNA DO, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
NOW, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE CEILING TILES AND THOSE ARE ASBESTOS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EAT THAT COST.
BUT THE FLOORS YOU, YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS WITH.
UM, SO YEAH, WE, WE DON'T, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S HOT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN GET INTO THE BALLPARK.
SO YOU JUST CAN'T GO IN AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS WHEN YOU FIND OUT SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE DONE ALTOGETHER.
WELL, YOUR A DA ESTIMATION THOUGH, CHRIS, YOU THINK IS PRETTY REASONABLE.
SO GOING DOWN TO THE TOWN HALL, POLICE DISPATCH, REMODELING, WHAT RAY IS SAYING, IS IT, IT'S OPEN ENDED, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THERE.
SO, WELL, WE GOTTA COME UP WITH SOME, UH, BASELINE NUMBER AND SOME ESTIMATION FOR MONDAY NIGHT'S RESOLUTION.
AT THIS POINT, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT HAS TO BE AN ESTIMATION.
WE COULD JUST GO WITH A HIGH NUMBER.
EVEN IF WE HAVE NO INTENTION, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY A MILLION.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA SPEND EVEN HALF A MILLION, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK JUST TO SAY IT SO WE CAN GO DOWN.
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW.
BUT WE SAY 300,000, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK YEAH.
WE CAN JUST PICK A HIGH NUMBER AND, AND IN MY OPINION, UH, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ALL GONE OVER THIS, UH, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, PAT, ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? I THINK IF WE GO, UH, WITH THE HIGH END FOR MONDAY NIGHT OKAY.
BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST DOWN MM-HMM
WHEN IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT.
AND WE GET SOME MORE SOLID, UH, COSTS AND DETERMINATIONS OF WHAT WAY WE'RE GOING.
I MEAN, EVEN BY THE TIME OCTOBER 23RD, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE SO MUCH MORE HIGH THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT ANSWER BY THEN.
AND, AND MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE THE, SOME OTHER ANSWERS.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING ON THE HIGH END WITH ANTICIPATION THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE.
WELL THEN MAYBE WE, WELL WAIT A MINUTE THOUGH.
THE HIGH END NOW IS LISTED AT TWO 50 TO ONE 50.
MAYBE WE GOTTA GO TO THREE 50 TO 400.
WELL, EVEN JUST TO BE SAFE, EVEN, EVEN GO EVEN HIGHER JUST TO BE SAFE.
I MEAN, I, I I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
THERE'S NO NOT, WE'RE NOT BEING CHARGED INTEREST ON THE AMOUNT WE DON'T NEED.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE GO TO THE HIGH END OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND LET'S SAY WE ULTIMATELY DECIDE THAT ONE PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA GO 50 LESS.
CAN, CAN WE SHIFT FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT OR NOT? WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY A RANGE WITHIN THOSE PROJECTS AND STAY THERE.
SO WE ARE DO HAVE TO COMPARTMENTALIZE IN THAT REGARD.
WELL, CAN'T SHIFT IT FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK OF MILLIONS, YOU'RE HIGH END, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT? I NO IDEA.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ALL BROKEN UP RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BROKEN UP SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND THE FLOORING IS SMOOSHING DOWN AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IF WE'RE TALKING A MILLION DOLLARS, WOULDN'T WE JUST, IF WE DETERMINED THAT IT'S GOT ALL THAT WORK TO DO, NOT DO ANY OF THAT.
I MEAN, WE COULD SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS AND CREATE A WHOLE NOTHER BUILDING IF WE NEED TO.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE HIGH END NUMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE'VE DONE PROJECTS LIKE THIS OVER THE YEARS AND TURNED INTO A NIGHTMARE.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, COULD YOU SEE US REALLY SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON THAT WITH THAT FLOOR SPACE? THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE? IS THAT BE YOU TALKING FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE BUILDING? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT? TALKING, TALKING ABOUT, HOLD ON.
ONE AT A TIME, UH, CHRIS AND, AND, AND, AND RAY, UH, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER NINE ON THE LIST, TOWN HALL, POLICE DISPATCH, REMODEL, UH, THAT I SEGREGATE THAT FROM THE AADA A ISSUES.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE REMEDIATION FOR ASBESTOS AND MOLD AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO USE THAT SPACE FOR, PROBABLY OFFICE SPACE.
AND IT HAS TO BE REASONABLY NICE.
I WOULD IMAGINE FROM YEARS GOING BACK THERE INTO THE POLICE
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STATION, I'M THINKING 2200 SQUARE FEET, I'LL BET YOU 2000, 2200 MM-HMMSO IS IT, UH, IS IT $200 A SQUARE FOOT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, AND THEN I, SO I THINK SEAN'S POINT IS THAT IF IT WAS GOING TO COST US A MILLION, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IT.
WE'LL GO, WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING FOR A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE BETTER OFF.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S HIS POINT.
JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE MY QUESTION IS WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT, I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAKING, UM, A LOOK AT WHAT, UH, ABATEMENT WAS NEEDED, WEREN'T WE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE BUILDING THOUGH? NO.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING IN AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE WHOLE BUILDING JUST SO WE HAD A GENERAL SENSE OF OUR WHOLE I THOUGHT THAT WAS, WE WERE NOT THE TESTING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THE TESTING IS LOOKING AT THE BACK.
OH, DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING EARLIER? SUCCESSIVE THE MINOR.
MINE TESTING THE, THE FLOORING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S GONNA DRIVE THIS, THIS PRICE IS THE ABATEMENT.
AND NOW WHAT DO YOU DO? SO WE KNOW IF WE BACK AND WE HAVE A BAD, A BAD REPORT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET THIS REPORT BACK.
SO FOR MONDAY NIGHT PURPOSES, NUMBERS, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW.
CAN I, BUT IT'S NOT, GO AHEAD.
CAN I ASK HUNDRED 50,000 ABATE? IT'LL BE THREE TIMES.
CAN I ASK THIS? LET'S SAY WE APPROPRIATE, UH, THE HIGH END TWO 50.
RIGHT NOW THAT TEST COMES BACK, UH, AFTER MONDAY AND IT SAYS YOU HAVE, UH, ASBESTOS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND IT'S, WE FIGURE IT'S GONNA COST A TON OF MONEY.
YOU CAN PICK ZERO ON ANY OF THESE PROJECTS RIGHT.
BETWEEN NOW AND AROUND OCTOBER 20.
BUT AFTER THE FACT, AFTER WE GO THROUGH WITH IT, WE CAN JUST NIX IT.
THIS IS JUST THE HIGHEST NUMBER.
SO WE, I, TO ME, IN MY OPINION, WE GO WITH THIS NUMBER HERE.
WELL, AND THE TEST COMES THROUGH AND WE'RE GONNA KNOW EITHER WAY, THIS NUMBER CAN'T GO UP, CAN'T GO UP, IT CAN'T GO.
WE GOTTA EFFICIENTLY WILL ALLOW US TO DO IT.
IF WE WANT TO DO IT, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR LEVEL OF PAIN? CAN WE, CAN WE SWALLOW FIVE, 600,000 AS OPPOSED TO A MILLION? IF IT'S A MILLION, WE SAY THE HELL WITH IT, WE NIX IT.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ARE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING DOING THIS PROJECT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO HIGHER THAN THIS TWO 50 JUST FOR THE BOARD RESOLUTION PURPOSES FOR MONDAY.
AND THEN FROM THERE, ONCE WE GET THIS INFORMATION, IF YOU GUYS SAY 400 GRAND IS TOO MUCH, WE WERE ONLY WILLING TO DO THREE 50, OR IT COULD BE THIS TWO 50.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA COME IN AT THAT TWO 50 IF YOU'RE WILLING TO INCH IT A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT NARROW.
SO I THINK SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK SUPER, I, I AGREE WITH THE SUPERVISOR.
MAYBE GO FROM THREE TO FOUR OR FOUR 50 YEAH.
AND THEN YOU CAN DROP IT DOWN AND DROP IT DOWN.
OR IF WE GO WAY ABOVE THAT, WE SAY, WELL, WE BETTER, WELL IN THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IN THE MEANTIME, I MEAN WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED CHRIS', YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, POSSIBLY MOVING INTO A PORTION OF THAT AREA.
IF WE DO THAT, I MEAN, DURING THIS TIME WE COULD ALSO GET AN APPRAISAL ON IF WE CAN SELL THE BUILDING.
WELL THAT'S, AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WILL BRING IN.
THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET THE OVERALL COST.
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M COMFORTABLE GOING UP, UH, TO 400.
LET'S ON THIS JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF MONDAY, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE CAN'T GO BACK.
THIS IMPORTANT THING, LET'S LOOK AT A 400, 300, I, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, IS THAT ALL RIGHT THEN? JUST YEAH, JUST SAY THREE 50.
JUST BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT 150, THAT'S A 1 59 PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND I CAN'T SEE US, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MORE THAN 159 PER SQUARE FOOT
I'M SAYING WE, WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE CITY, DOWNTOWN WAS OVER 200.
WHAT NUMBER DID YOU SAY? 3 50, 300 SQUARE FOOT.
IT WAS, WHAT WAS THE HIGH NUMBER? THREE FOUR.
THESE LOW NUMBERS ARE GONE AFTER THIS.
WE ONLY HAVE A HIGH, OUR HIGH THINK 405, 400 I THINK HUNDRED.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, I'D RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, YOU KNOW, POLICE DISPATCH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME BREATHING ROOM.
SO I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS 400 IS, IS SAYING THIS IS A WORST CASE BECAUSE THIS ASBESTOS, IS IT LIKE TAXES? WE CAN'T GO BACK.
BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY 400 FOR A PROJECT, WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY IT'S GONNA BE SIX.
IT, IT'S GONNA BE ABOVE PURPOSE OF BONDING.
ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT SPREAD THEN? SO FOUR, 400 THE HIGH END, JUST THE HIGH FINE.
SO IN THE OTHER ITEM THAT, I MEAN IT ISN'T ON HERE, BUT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THIS.
UM, I KNOW THE POLICE HAVE GIVEN THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
UH, JIM AND I MET WITH, UM, KEVIN AS WELL AS SEAN KARATE,
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UM, IN REGARDS TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AREA POTENTIALLY BEING ABSORBED BY THE POLICE, AND THEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE GOING INTO THE NEW POLI, THE OLD POLICE DISPATCH AREA.ONCE IT'S REDONE, THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY COST ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW AS TO WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO OPEN THAT AREA UP.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN HERE.
THAT BY, IF, IF THAT'S AN OPTION THE BOARD WANTS TO EXPLORE, UM, WE WILL NEED SOME NUMBERS BEFORE MONDAY.
MARTY AND THE CHIEF WANT TO OPEN THAT UP, UH, JENNIFER, BECAUSE MOKI DOESN'T WANNA LEAVE.
SO, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE DISPATCH REALLY AND MOVE IT OVER TO THE TOWN HALL.
AND THE CHIEF IS NOT KEEN TO SAY, LET ME MOVE THE DETECTIVE BUREAU OVER HERE.
HE THINKS THEY ALL OUGHT TO BE UNDER ONE ROOF, BUT DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CLOSER TO COURTS THAN SPLIT UP? YEAH.
JENNIFER HAD A LOT OF, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MET WITH HER AND SHE HAD A LOT OF ARGUMENTS AS TO WHY THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, UH, IN TERMS OF THE INTEGRITY OF PEOPLE WHO, WHO TALK WITH HER, THEIR SAFETY, UH, ALL KINDS OF OTHER ISSUES.
BUT I THINK IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE TO HER THAT WE CAN GIVE A, AND AGAIN, MOVING HER OVER MAY REQUIRE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, WHICH I THINK WE WERE PLANNING ON ANYWAYS.
VICTIMS CAN, THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN.
VICTIMS CAN BE BROUGHT IN, IN A SEGREGATED WAY FROM THE MAIN POPULATION COMING INTO COURT OR COMING INTO THE HALL TO SEE THE CLERK OR SOME OTHER, UH, OFFICE YOU SEE.
WE GOT A LOT, WE GOT SOME STUFF TO FIGURE OUT THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE I HAVE A BETTER BRIEFING TO GIVE YOU ALL ON SATURDAY IF YOU ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD EXPLORE.
I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED TO POLICE, YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE THE PROPOSAL FOR A NEW FACILITY, WHICH AT THIS TIME, UM, WOULD BE A LARGE UNDERTAKING.
WE THINK IT'S, IF I, IF I MAY, IN MY OPINION, FOR, FOR A LOT OF THIS IS ON THE FCOM AND, AND A WHILE DOWN THE ROAD, WE HAVE TO WAIT ON TO SEE IF WE'RE EVEN GONNA DO THE SPACE MM-HMM
DEPENDING ON MONEY, THEN MOVING THEM OVER AFTER THE WORK IS DONE, WHICH IS GONNA BE A COUPLE YEARS, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT GET INVOLVED IN THAT PART UNTIL A LITTLE BIT LATER ON.
A FUTURE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE YEARS AWAY FROM NOW.
AND, AND TO EARMARK MONEY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM
TO ME DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT THIS TIME.
LET'S STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT WITH THIS ONE PLACE TO PROCESS.
IT IS A, IT IS A TWO YEAR DEAL, AT LEAST EVERY BIT OF IT.
UH, WHERE ARE WE AT HERE NOW? UH, IT INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT, THAT ONE IS SIMPLE ENOUGH.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY ALL OF YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED FOR IT OR IN THE PROCESS OF OCCURRING.
UM, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOTAL COST WE'RE AT AROUND RIGHT NOW FOR THE, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN IS ABOUT $350,000.
UM, OF WHICH WE LEASED A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT, UM, INTEREST FREE.
RIGHT, JENNY? THE 122,000 THAT WAS YES.
YEAH, THAT'S, SO WE HAVE A LEASE FOR A PORTION OF THIS, WHICH BRINGS THE, THE AMOUNT THAT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR OR WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR THIS YEAR AND WE SAID WE CAN REIMBURSE OURSELVES.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS A LONGER TERM ITEM, ABOUT $229,000.
NOW WE DID KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THIS WERE COMING DOWN THE LINE AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED.
SO WE DIDN'T CU JENNY DID ENCUMBER FUNDS FROM 18 AND 19, WHICH ARE OPTIONS TO PAY FOR THIS.
HOWEVER, I MEAN, SHE'S REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB OF CUTTING HER OTHER COSTS WHERE SHE CAN.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPACT OF COVID, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR FUND BALANCE THIS YEAR.
I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BORROW THE 200,000 AT A LOW INTEREST RATE INSTEAD OF USING OUR FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR THE ITEMS JENNY HAS ALREADY DONE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE $200,000 COMES FROM.
UM, INSTEAD OF TAKING THAT FROM OUR FUND BALANCE.
AND I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT YES, WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY UP FRONT, ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS BEING REPLACED.
WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN, UM, FOR A BUYBACK PROGRAM YEAH.
UM, TO TRY TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT FUNDING.
UM, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T GET 40% OF THE NON-PROFIT FROM SALE FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING.
WHICH I'M HOPING IS GOING TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
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IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.THE NEXT ONE THEN IS THE DRAINAGE STUDY.
SO BASICALLY WHAT OCCURRED HERE IS THAT, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER LINE ON HERE.
I'VE DELETED IT FOR NOW BECAUSE I DID GET, UM, JIM'S MEMO THIS AFTERNOON.
SO ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A NUMBER 10 ON HERE.
THERE IS A NUMBER 10 ON YOUR PROJECT SUMMARIES FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT 30 TO $40,000.
UM, SO THE REASON THAT THESE TWO HAD TO BE SEPARATED INTO TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE IS A DRAINAGE STUDY.
SO THE PPU FOR THAT, UM, IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
WHEREAS WHEN YOU'RE DOING ACTUAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT CAN BE OVER A LONGER TERM.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO ITEMS ON YOUR SUMMARIES.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES I MADE DELETING IT FROM HERE.
UM, WHEN I WAS GETTING READY TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE AMOUNTS WERE JUST VASTLY OFF.
WE REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING FOR 30 TO $40,000.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S WORTH, YOU KNOW, BONDING THAT OUT.
THE ONLY PROJECT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE SIM, THE ONSET OF MEETING, THE ONLY PROJECT THAT'S SHOVEL READY IS THE THURSTON AVENUE PROJECT.
CAMMI ESTIMATED THAT THE COST WOULD BE BETWEEN 30 AND 40,000.
THAT'S HER ESTIMATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE 10,000 FOR THEIR PARTICULAR STUDY.
UH, NOW THE OTHER PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, TWIN WILLOWS, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT.
THAT'S A SPRING OF 2021 ISSUE.
AND CAMMY'S NOT SURE OF THE REMEDY WE HAVE TO PURSUE THERE.
OVERLOOKED POINT, ACCORDING TO OUR BUDDY, MR. LARDO, HE AND I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT JUST BY CONSTRUCTING SOME SWES DOWN THERE TO BLOCK THE WATER FLOW.
UM, AND ON LILYDALE, WELL THAT IS, UH, CONFUSING.
UH, CAMMIE'S MEMO SAYS, WELL, MAYBE THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT CAN, UH, DO A SEWER JET ON THE EXISTING PIPE, WHICH RUNS ACROSS THE DALE AND EMPTIES INTO THE NAV, THE CORNER OF NAV AND CLARK THAT SHE CLAIMS THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS IN, IN THAT, IN THAT PIPING.
SHE THINKS THAT'LL OFFER SOME HELP.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME KIND OF STUDY.
UH, THE RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR PLAN
SO, UH, CAMMI THINKS THEY WOULD BE BETTER OFF HAVING A STUDY DONE AS TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO SMITH.
UH, TED MENTIONED ON SCHOFF AND ECKARD THAT IT NEEDED A BIGGER STORM SEWER, UH, DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, BIGGER, WIDER PIPE.
UH, CAMMIE WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS SOLELY THE, THE REMEDY OR WHETHER WE HAD TO DO MORE.
THEY GET A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER, WHICH COMES DOWN FROM THE NEW LAKE SHORE RUNNING DOWNGRADE AND, AND ECKERD.
AND SHE COFFER KIND OF AT A LOW POINT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, JIM, IF I COULD ALSO MENTION PLEASE WITH THIS, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS AND WHY THAT ENDED UP BEING THE ONLY PROJECT ON HERE FOR THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IS BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO ADOPT THESE BOND RESOLUTIONS MONDAY FOR THE HIGH AMOUNT, BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THAT, UM, SEEKER MUST BE DONE AND THAT BOARD RESOLUTION HAS TO BE APPROVED MONDAY AS WELL.
SO KAMI IS WORKING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FORMS FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE POTEN, THE POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING, MAYBE BORROWING LIKE $200,000 AND HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR DRAINAGE BE IDENTIFIED LATER ON.
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SEEKER DONE MM-HMM
SO WE ARE REALLY HARD PRESSED.
WE WERE DURING OUR BOND COMMITTEE MEETING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS DONE FOR AT LEAST THURSTON FOR MONDAY, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN.
SO THAT CAN BE ONE THAT WE PUT IN THERE IF WE WOULD LIKE TO.
BUT THE OTHERS REALLY, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS DON'T HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ONES, THEY CERTAINLY DO.
SO WE CAN DO THE STUDIES NO PROBLEM.
BUT WE CAN'T TAKE ON ANY MORE WORK IN THIS BOND ISSUANCE BEFORE MONDAY.
THAT SO, AND I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS, BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS MORE COMPLICATED WITH SEEKER, UM, THEN IT IS FOR THE OTHER ITEMS WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY LONG PROCESS THAT WE START
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AHEAD OF TIME.WELL, UH, IT'S NOT WHAT WE HAD HOPED FOR, BUT UH, REALISTICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH.
SO EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH THE 130,000 FOR THE HIGH SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE STUDY COST FOR MONDAY NIGHT? YES.
AND SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, UM, I'M LIKELY ADDING THE $40,000 FOR THURSTON RIGHT? AS A SEPARATE PROJECT? EVERYONE IS GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE ON HERE AS WELL.
I, I MEAN, I'M GONNA TALK TO CAPITAL MARKETS ABOUT IT BECAUSE FOR SUCH A LOW AMOUNT I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH FOR THAT AS FAR AS TIME TIMELINE GOES.
SO, UM, I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED WITH THAT.
I'LL HAVE THAT BY, WE'LL KNOW BY, WE'LL KNOW BY SATURDAY.
THAT WAS JUST A A, THAT ALL CAME UP DURING OUR MEETING RIGHT BEFORE THIS, SO.
I'M INCLINED NOT TO WANT TO DO IT IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A $40,000 PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY THINKING.
BUT I'LL, I'LL, UH, ACE TO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS TO DO.
AND WE CAN'T GO HIGHER IN, IN THE THOUGHT THAT WE WANNA TACKLE SOME OF THE OTHERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE SEEKER.
WE NEED TO HAVE A SEEKER RESOLUTION, UH, ATTACHED TO OUR BOND RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL.
AND IF, AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD THE LISTING OF PROJECTS FROM WHAT DREW SAID COMPREHENSIVELY, SO THESE ARE ALL TYPE TWO ACTIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN WE HAD ALL OF THE PROJECTS LISTED INITIALLY BECAUSE OF JUST THE LARGE SCOPE OF IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY PUSH THIS INTO A TYPE ONE, WHICH THEN HAS MORE QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ON NUMBER SEVEN, IF YOU NOTE THE ENDING SAYS FOUR SMALLER AREAS, SPECIFIC STUDIES, WHICH WILL TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TIME TO COMPLETE.
THOSE ARE THE STUDIES THAT WHEN TOM LARDO SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME STUDIES, WE ALREADY HAVE A GENERAL IDEA, WE MIGHT NEED TED'S INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER SMALLER STUDIES TO KIND OF FIRM IT UP.
BUT THESE ARE ONGOING PROBLEMS. THEY'VE BEEN PROBLEMS FOR YEARS.
WE WANT TO TACKLE THESE NEXT YEAR AND GET THE BALL ROLLING NOW.
SO THIS INTERNALLY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE BROKEN DOWN TO SOME OF THE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, UH, ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE BIG TOWN STUDY THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 YEARS BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RUN, HAVE A COMPLETE TACKLE.
AND THAT TOWN STUDY CAN INCORPORATE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY JUST DONE, ALREADY DONE IN A FEW YEARS JUST RECEIVING THAT.
SO STILL END UP WITH A FULL COMPREHENSIVE STUDY THAT CAN BE ATTACHED TO YOU WOULD BE CLOSE TO THAT.
SO I THOUGHT THE COST OF A TOWN WIDE STUDY WAS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED, $130,000.
SO I GUESS I'M CONCERNED IF WE'RE DOING SMALLER STUDIES BEFOREHAND, WELL, THAT, THAT NUMBER WOULD ACTUALLY END UP BEING HIGHER.
TAMMY HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, UH, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SHE'S, SHE'S DONE HER OWN STUDY ON TWIN WILLS.
THURSTON'S OUT OF THE PICTURE OVERLOOK MAY BE OUT OF THE PICTURE, UH, FOR LILY DALE AND SMITH CAMMY ESTIMATES THAT THE LILY DALE, UH, THE SMITH ROAD STUDY BETWEEN 30 AND 40,000, UM, SHE'S NOT SURE UNLESS SHE TALKS TO DEB AND GETS INTO IT MORE WHAT TO DO ON SHELL, KAUF AND ECKARD.
BUT A AGAIN, THE LILY DALE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THAT MUCH OF AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM.
IT'S MORE OF A MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP PROBLEM.
SHE INDICATES IN HER MEMO TODAY WE READ IT, THAT CLEANING AT 700 FEET OF DITCH WIDENING IT AND DEEPENING THE, THE, THE CONTOUR, UH, MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. THEN YOU GOT THE JETTING OF THE PIPE ON THE LOW END.
SO I THINK YOU'RE SAFE WITH 130 SAM ON THE, ON THE SMALL PROJECTS.
'CAUSE I WAS OUT THERE WITH CAMIE AND THE RESIDENT THAT WAS HERE.
WE SPENT A GOOD HOUR AND A HALF GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE AREA.
WE ENDED UP TALKING TO LES DROUGHT, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE, THE BUSINESS THAT ADJOINS.
SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORS CAME OUT TO GIVE US THEIR OPINION AND SHOW US THEIR, UH, SITES.
IF WE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DEVELOPMENT THAT IS LIKELY, UM, POTENTIALLY A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR ON THE TOP WATERFORD.
AND THEY'RE, THEY STILL HAVE TO, TO COMPLETE THAT.
SO I'D HATE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND MONEY ON SOMETHING BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT GETS COMPLETED.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE PROBLEM IN THE PICTURES I SAW IN THE VIDEOS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN AS WELL, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE, UM, IF TED CAN HELP ON THAT, THAT JET UH, AND UM, JET OPERATION AND WHINING IN THE DITCH
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AND CLEARING IT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE NEED AN EASEMENT, WE'LL NEED TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM DROUGHT AND WE MAY NEED AN EASEMENT FROM SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE SOUTH AND UP UPFIELD FROM DROUGHT.AND HE WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP OUT HOWEVER WE NEED.
AND THAT WAS A GOOD OVERVIEW AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TEMPLATE THAT, THAT CAMMY GAVE US AS FAR AS AN ACTION PLAN TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT THAT SHE MADE REGARDING THE WATERFORD COMMUNITY AND THEIR PHASE TWO AND THE PHASE THREE.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW UP ON, UM, THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A PHASED APPROACH TO SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.
'CAUSE ALL WE CAN DO NOW IS WHAT WE KNOW WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STRESS.
WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT PHASE TWO AND THREE ARE GONNA PRODUCE FOR US SOME NEW PROBLEMS. BUT ANYWAY.
WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THAT STUFF THEN.
UH, FOR THE, FOR THE SMALLER STUDY, UH, I, WE MAY NOT EXCEED THAT, SEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SAFE, THEN YOU GUYS FEEL, I THINK IT'S SAFE, UH, BASED ON WHAT CAMMY HAS SAID.
SO THE NEXT ITEM THEN, UM, IS THE COMMUNITY PAVING.
NOW THAT WAS FOR THE, UM, THE PARKING LOTS AT THE TOWN BEACH AS WELL AS AT THE NIKE ARENA.
UM, WE HAD 400 AND THE LOW WAS THREE 50.
I, I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM LORI THAT I RECEIVED YESTERDAY MORNING, UM, WITH SOME QUOTES THAT THE NIKE ICE ARENA AREA IS ABOUT $150,000.
UM, AND THEN THE TOWN PARK IS ABOUT $70,000.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUOTES I HAVE AS OF RIGHT NOW.
WE, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER ONES TOO, SAM, HE INCLUDED, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THIS, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
HE INCLUDED, UH, UH, THE GOLF, OF COURSE THE GOLF CART PATH IS THERE TO THE DR TO THE PRACTICE AREA THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDED.
AND THERE'S A COST ESTIMATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR UNDER 60 60 GRAND.
SO THAT WAS IN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS IN THE, THE GOLF COURSE PORTION? WELL, NO, IT'S IN THIS, IT'S IN, IT'S A SEPARATE AREA THAT'S GONNA GO INTO THE, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE COURSE THAT'S SEPARATE.
SO I DON'T SEE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A QUOTE FOR THIS GOLF CART COURSE.
THAT, THAT ONE WAS 60,000, THAT PARTICULAR ONE THAT SEAN JUST MENTIONED.
SO ADD THAT TO THE ONE 50 FOR THE NIKE CENTER THAT GETS YOU A TWO 10 AND ANOTHER 70 FOR THE TOWN BEACH.
THE TWO 80, SAY 300,000 TO BE SAFE.
NOW HE ALSO THREW IN THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANNA DO, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING, PAVING THE PARKING AREA, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT.
I, I WENT OVER THERE OVER THE WEEKEND.
IT IS IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT MAYBE WE CAN PATCH IT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
UH, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THAT ONE.
AND AT THE TOWN PARK, WAS THAT INCLUDING THE AREA OVER BY THE RESCUE? NO, IT'S JUST THAT INCLUDES, THERE WAS NO PLAN TO PAVE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, SHELTER IS AND, AND THE RESCUE BOAT IS HOUSE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RAMP PORTION THAT CHRIS IS DOING.
SO, UH, BETH THAT DEALT WITH THE HORSESHOE DRIVE RIGHT FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE EXIT WHERE THE LIGHT IS.
WELL, I CAN'T WAIT TO THE DANCE, BUT I PUT A REQUEST IN FOR TOWN HALL PARKING LOT TOO.
AS YOU, WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT, YOU SEE ALL POTHOLES.
I, THERE ARE ALL DRAIN IS DONE.
UM, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ESTIMATES, YOU KNOW, UM, THE POLICE ARE, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR, I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE WHOLE COMPLEX.
UM, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING JUST DONE IT ALONE PROBABLY WITH THE DRAINAGE, PROBABLY 200,000, 200 TO TWO 50 IS A GOOD GUESS.
SO, UM, AND IT TWO HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU DO ANY PARKING LOT PAVING OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
I HAVE AN EMAIL THAT LORI FROM B AND G SENT TO ME, UM, WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF RAY'S REQUESTS IN CASE THAT HELPS RAY.
UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
REPLACING THE FLOORING AND ASSESSING $45,000, THE TOWN HALL PARKING LOT AND DRAINAGE $450,000.
FRONT ENTRANCE RECONSTRUCTION, $150,000.
SENIOR CENTER PARKING LOT, 150,000 AND SENIOR CENTER SIDEWALK 100,000.
UM, ALSO I THINK, UM, LOOKING AT THE REPAVING, I MENTIONED THE NIKE ARENA 150,000, THE TOWN PARK, 70,000, UM, BE AS LONG
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AS EVERYONE'S GETTING THEIR REQUESTS IN HERE.UH, B AND G ALSO REQUESTED THE B AND G SHOP PAVING FOR 170,000.
AND THEN, UH, THE SOCCER FIELD, IT SAYS FOR 180,000.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE LAST MINUTE ITEMS THAT CAME TO ME.
THAT STRIKES ME AS A LITTLE BIT, UH, WE MIGHT AS WELL, UH, BLACK TOP THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY
UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT LOOP FOR THE TOWN PARK AND DO THAT GOLF CART PORTION.
SO BASED ON THE ESTIMATES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE ARE SAFE AT THAT $400,000.
THE, AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT, UH, AND I I, BECAUSE I'VE RAISED IT BEFORE, THE TOWN HALL PARKING LOT IS IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE.
UH, NOW I, GRANTED WE CAN LIVE WITH IT
UH, BUT IT IS IN, IT IS IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHETHER, AND I THINK PROBABLY TWO TO TWO 50 WAS SOMETHING THAT I DISCUSSED WITH PAT RYAN.
HE THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD BALLPARK.
THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE COST OF THIS UP PRETTY, PRETTY DRAMATICALLY.
RAY ON, ON THE BACK PARKING LOT, YOU'RE TALKING THE DRAINAGE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THE POLICE STATION, THAT BACK END THERE.
RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU FIGURING, DOING ALL THE BLACK TOP OR WHAT IF YOU JUST DID THE BACK, TORE IT UP, DID THE DRAINAGE AND BLACK TOP THE BACK, WOULD THAT WELL, THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT, MY NEXT, UM, REQUEST, IF WE AIN'T GONNA DO THE WHOLE PARKING LOT IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
WE COULD, WE CAN CUT THE BLACK TOP, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FILL IT IN, YOU KNOW.
BUT THE FRONT OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE TOWN HALL IS, THAT'S A LAWSUIT WE CAN HAVE IN SOMEBODY TRIPPING IN THESE HOLES.
YOU MEAN THE POTHOLE THAT WHEN YOU GET OUT AT THE END? YEAH, SOON AS YOU'RE COMING OUT.
YOU SEE THE BIG POTHOLES THERE? YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LIABILITY BIG TIME.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE SECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, I WOULD JUST RAISE A QUESTION REGARDING ANY DRAINAGE WORK WE DO.
LOOK, ALL THE DI ARE ALL FALLING IN.
UM, THEY'RE A LOT LOWER OR HIGHER THAN THE PARKING LOT THEMSELVES, UHHUH, SO IT ALL HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW.
THE ONES THAT ARE BACK IN THE POLICE STATION, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GO TO ANYWHERE.
THEY'RE JUST BIG HOLES IN THE GROUND.
BUT WALTER, YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY THAT THAT CAN'T BE ACCOMPLISHED BY MONDAY BECAUSE OF THE UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE DRAINAGE QUESTION, I THINK THE PAVING, LIKE THE PATCHING OF THE HOLES IN THE FRONT, THAT IS WELL WITHIN THE DOLLAR FIGURE OF THE 400,000.
UM, IF WE DON'T DO THE DRAINAGE, WE SHOULD BE FINE FOR MONDAY.
WE DEFINITELY CAN'T DO THE DRAINAGE.
I MEAN, I THINK THE DRAINAGE WOULD IMPACT SECRET AND ENGINEER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
I THINK ANYTIME WE DO THAT, IT CALLS 'EM A SECRET AND THAT'S GONNA DELAY EVERYTHING IF WE DO THAT.
SO BASED ON THE QUOTE SO FAR FOR THE INITIAL PURPOSES, WE WERE THINKING OF WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO AT LEAST PATCH WHAT NEEDS TO BE PATCHED IN THE FRONT OF THE FACILITY.
THEN I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DOING.
UM, WE HAD PUT, WELL YOU HAVE THE BOARD RESOLUTION.
WE PROBABLY, SO, BUT I, WE DID PUT LIKE PAVING OF THE TOWN HALL PROPERTIES, SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE OKAY.
BUT WE'LL READ PROPERTIES ARE SPECIFIC.
WHAT ELSE YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? DISCUSS FOLKS? LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT SATURDAY A LITTLE BIT TOO.
UH, WE'RE TENTATIVELY, UH, SET TO GO AT 10:00 AM UH, DO YOU ALL THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING ON SATURDAY? FINE TUNE SOME OF THIS OR DO YOU THINK IT'S OVERKILL? WE DON'T NEED IT.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE DECISION.
IF EVERYBODY AGREES THE HIGH END AND, AND THE HIGH END, AND THEN WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE POLICE REMODEL, KATHY, TO $400,000.
THE ONLY ONE FROM THIS UPPER COST, I'M CHANGING THE POLICE REMODEL THE 400,000.
SO EVERYONE IS GOOD WITH THESE BOARD RESOLUTIONS THEN FOR MONDAY? YEAH.
SO MY, MY QUESTION WITH THE BOARD RESOLUTIONS, BECAUSE WE HAD THE DATE OFF, ARE WE EXTENDING 'EM TILL FRIDAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT? GREAT.
WELL, I HAD TOLD EVERYBODY IT WAS THURSDAY AND I HAD PUSHED THE TIME BACK TO FOUR, BUT I SUPPOSE I COULD MAKE IT FRIDAY MORNING IF YOU THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THESE ESPECIALLY.
YOU GOTTA PUT OFF, WE'LL PUT A NOTICE OUT TOMORROW MORNING THEN.
DID YOU, UH, I CAME IN LATE OBVIOUSLY.
DID YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, PAVING AT THE ROOTS? NO, WE HAD NOTHING TO GO ON.
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LET ME SHARE WITH COST IS SHARE WITH YOU.WE PUT TOGETHER, THIS WAS BASED ON THE, UH, THE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE, UH, PUT FORTH FOR.
AND I WOULD'VE ABSOLUTELY GOTTEN THIS TO EVERYONE SOONER.
HOWEVER, THIS IS LITERALLY, I CALL IT WARM OFF THE PRESS.
AND THIS IS, UH, CALLED THIS A COMPREHENSIVE PAVING PLAN, NEGLIGENT, UH, FOR THE TOWN.
UM, THE, UH, ROADS OF THE TOWN ARE, ARE OUR LARGEST, UH, MOST VALUABLE ASSET.
THEY ALSO CARRY WITH IT THE LARGEST LIABILITY THAT THE TOWN HAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOW IS THE TIME PAVING, UH, FOR ALL OF THE ROADS THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION, AS WELL AS GET UP TO SNUFF WITH RESPECT TO ALL OTHER ROADS.
SO YOU TAKE A LOOK, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.
UM, IN DEPTH ANALYSIS, VERY INVOLVED TALKING TO EXPERTS, COMPILING THE INFORMATION.
UH, TO GIVE YOU GUYS ALL A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE FACED IN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
I ACTUALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO SPEND THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS LOOKING THIS OVER AND THAT WE DO IN FACT HAVE THE MEETING SATURDAY MORNING.
SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT, YOU'LL BE FULLY INFORMED AND YOU CAN HAVE A PROPER DIALOGUE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE PROPOSAL IS, UM, A NO TAX INCREASE FROM A HIGHWAY TAX STANDPOINT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ROWS.
AND WITH THE BOND RATE AT ITS BASICALLY ALL TIME LOW AT A 0.7 OR 0.76, ALONG WITH THE THREE YEAR LOW AS TO ASPHALT PRICING, UH, TIME IS NOW, UH, IF WE DO NOT ADDRESS THIS AS IS WELL KNOWN IN THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING PAVING INDUSTRY, WE WILL HAVE TO PAY MAGNITUDES HIGHER.
UH, THE LOWEST COST BY PUTTING THIS OFF IS A VERY LOW FOUR TIMES.
AND ON THE HIGH END IT'S 25 TIMES AT THE COST.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADDRESS THIS NOW AND PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE, UH, MAINTAINING THE ROADS, UH, FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, LIKING IT TO, YOU KNOW, WASHING YOUR CAR PERIODICALLY, YOU PREVENT RUST, UH, DOING THE OIL CHANGES, THE ENGINE LASTS LONGER, TAKING CARE OF THE ROOF LEAK, THE ROOF LASTS LONGER.
IT'S REALLY THE SAME PRINCIPLE WITH THE ROADS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR AT LEAST A DECADE THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.
SO THIS GETS US LEVEL SET RELATIVE TO PUTTING OUR THOSE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND, UH, PUTS US ON A PATH GOING FORWARD.
UH, AND THERE'S INFORMATION THERE GOING OUT 15 YEARS SO EQUAL TO THE LENGTH OF A BOND TO TAKE CARE OF US.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NO TAX INCREASE.
SO TED, WHAT DID YOU END UP, UM, DECIDING YOU FELT, UH, WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU FELT YOU COULD TAKE FROM THE 647? THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE, UH, IN THIS WHOLE EQUATION HERE, UH, ABOUT 400,000 TO, UH, 6.2 MILLION.
WHAT CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT YOURSELF? FOUR.
YOU THINK YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR CURRENT, YOUR APPROPRIATIONS ANNUALLY BY $400,000? CORRECT.
AND THE, AND THE PREMISE BEING THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE POOR ROADS.
WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE OTHER ROADS USING THE INDUSTRY BEST STANDARDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF THE ROADS, AND WE'LL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE ROADS.
ULTIMATELY, WE'LL GET IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTAINING ROADS AS OPPOSED TO ESSENTIALLY REPLACING THEM.
NEW YORK STATE, DOT FRANKLY CAUGHT THAT DRIFT ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
PRIOR TO THAT, THEY WERE IN THE BUSINESS OF RECONSTRUCTING THEIR ROADS.
NOW YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY DO A MYRIAD OF TREATMENTS IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS TO EXTEND THEIR LIFE, WHICH FUNDAMENTALLY IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS, I GAVE THE EXAMPLES, OIL CHANGES, WASH THE CAR, TAKE CARE OF A LEAKY ROOF.
SO FROM A MATHEMATICAL STANDPOINT, I'M JUST KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
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YOUR BUDGET IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.SO FOR PAVING, SO IF YOU'RE SAYING EVERY YEAR NOW YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO PAVE $600,000 WORTH MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO USE $400,000 TO PAY FOR THIS DEBT TO DO STUFF.
NOW I DON'T SEE HOW YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE ANNUAL OPERATING WOULD BE 7 34 BASED UPON CURRENT DOLLARS.
THIS IS, THIS IS SET OUT ON PAGE 28, ISN'T IT? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET A PACKET.
OH, YOU WANT SHARE HERE? IT'S OKAY.
I, I THINK HONESTLY, THE EFFORT THAT WE PUT FORTH IN THIS, WHICH OF COURSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE TOWN WAS WORTHY OF THE EFFORT WE PUT FORTH WITH THAT DOCTOR, I'D ASK THAT YOU SPEND THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS REVIEWING IT AND I THINK WE SHOULD MEET ON SATURDAY MORNING.
AND TED, ARE YOU, IS YOUR INTENTION WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, PAVING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTRACT OUT? I KNOW YOU SPENT SOME TIME, UM, COMPARING THE COSTS BETWEEN CONTRACTING OUT.
UM, SO IS THIS PREDICATED ON CONTRACTING OUT? THAT'S IT.
YEAH, IT'S EXPLAINED IN THERE.
UH, WE WOULD DO A COMBINATION OF IT.
SO DO YOU ALSO, UM, ANSWER THERE, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS IN HERE.
HOW DOES THAT REDUCE ANNUAL PAVING IN TERMS OF LANE MILES? ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED IN THE, UH, IN THERE.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THIS AND I KNOW THAT THE RESOLUTIONS ARE DUE ON FRIDAY, CORRECT? FRIDAY.
SO, AND A LOT OF THIS IS, IS REALLY HELPFUL IN SAYING WHY WE NEED TO PAY.
UM, BUT MY, MY QUESTION QUESTION IS TRYING TO KIND OF NAVIGATE WHERE THE, THE PLAN IS, DOES THIS, DOES THIS AMOUNT COVER THINGS LIKE QUALITY CONTROL MEASURES AND IT DOES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE SEQUENCED AND PHASED OUT? YEP.
UM, IS THERE, AM I MISSING, SORRY, THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK THROUGH HERE ON THE OTHER INFORMATION.
UM, CAN YOU POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE? I SEE A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND STUFF.
SO THIS, SO MY INITIAL REQUEST WAS SENT ON AUGUST 14TH, AND WE ASKED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION BY AUGUST 25TH.
SO NOW LOOKING AT THIS, I SENT ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
I, UM, I SENT A NEW EMAIL REQUESTING TO HAVE THIS BY THE EIGHTH.
I MEAN, NOW WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TRYING TO ADOPT THESE RESOLUTIONS ON MONDAY NIGHT, AND YOU'VE GIVEN US LIKE THE MOST, THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INFORMATION WITH, YOU KNOW, ONLY A DATA REVIEW BEFORE THE RESOLUTIONS ARE DUE.
SAM, SAM, LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING.
YOU CAN TALK, TALK TO IT IN TERMS OF A, A DISSERTATION.
THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND EFFORT AND RESEARCH INTO FIXING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE TOWN IS IN THERE.
SO, UH, WE CERTAINLY WERE WANTING TO GET THE INFORMATION FURTHER AND SOONER TO EVERYBODY.
UH, YOU CAN FEEL THE PACKETS, THEY'RE HOT OFF THE PRESS, THEY'RE WARM.
THIS WAS DONE, UH, WITH SIGNIFICANT EFFORT AND FRANKLY HUNDREDS OF MAN HOURS TO PRODUCE THAT DOCUMENT.
SO I'M ASKING THAT THE BOARD SPEND A COUPLE OF DAYS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AGAIN, BASED UPON THE VALUE OF THE TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH CLEARLY IS IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD TO TAKE CARE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT IS THE BLUEPRINT TO DO BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AND WHERE I GUESS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE WHEN WE SCHEDULED THAT SATURDAY MEETING.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL TO GIVE THE REST OF YOU THE ENTIRE WEEKEND TO LOOK THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND POTENTIALLY START THE WORK SESSION EARLY TO ASK TED ANY QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF A SATURDAY MEETING JUST FOR ONE PROJECT THAT'S REMAINING.
WELL, LEMME THINK, LEMME ASK YOU THE RESISTANCE TO KEEP A MEETING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SCHEDULED ON A SATURDAY, SAM, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD ALL DUE RESPECT.
WELL, WE COULD DO A, YOU'RE SAYING WE DO IT AHEAD OF THE MEETING? YEAH, RIGHT.
BUT LET ME JUST ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GET TO THE SCHEDULING ISSUE IN A MINUTE.
ON PAGE 28, THE TOWN PAID ALLOCATION IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WAS 6 74, 4 59.
THEN OF COURSE, WE GIVE CHIPS AND PAID NEW YORK AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS, UH, UH, HUD MEANS CDBG MONEY, RIGHT? OF 80,000.
AM I WRONG OR IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE EWR DESIGNATION FOR 50,639, THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UH, ESCAPES THE EXTREME WINTER RECOVERY.
SO WHAT YOU AND FUTURE, UH, HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENTS, 15 YEARS DOWN, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, ARE GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT IS
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A MUCH LOWER ALLOCATION FOR ANNUAL PAVING AND REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO THAT YEARS GOING FORWARD WITH AN ANNUAL BOND PAYMENT OF $408,000.
AM I WRONG OR RIGHT ON THAT? JIM? WE PUT OFF TAKING CARE OF THESE ROADS.
AS I SAID, WE'RE DEALING WITH MAGNITUDES OF GREATER EXPENSE.
WE ARE GONNA BE PUTTING OFF THE INEVITABLE AT A MUCH GREATER COST TO THE TAXPAYER.
NO, NO, I BUT I I, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOUR CONCEPT, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE NUMBERS WILL MAKE SENSE.
IS I, JEN? YEAH, SO THE 2020 ADOPTED PAVING BUDGET IS ABOUT $1,062,000.
SO THEN IT WILL BE REDUCED BY THE $400,000 SO THAT EVERY YEAR MOVING FORWARD THERE WILL ONLY BE $600,000 TO PAY WITH.
WELL, NO, NO, BUT 7 34 NO, NO, IT'S 7 34.
BUT HERE'S THE THING, TED, THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
WHAT I'M ADDRESSING IS THIS, THE TOWN PAVING BUDGET, THE AMOUNT THAT THE TOWN APPROPRIATES FOR PAVING GOING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS WOULD BE LOCKED IN AT 2 66.
4 54, I ASSUME UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL.
AM I WRONG? WELL, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY PROJECTIONS.
WELL, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT, DON'T YOU THINK? WHAT WILL IT BE? WILL WE INCREASE IT BY AN INFLATIONARY RATE? WILL YOU COME BACK TO US IN 2021 AND SAY INSTEAD OF, UH, THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION, WE, WE, WE SIMPLY OF TWO SIX, LET ME FINISH 2 66, I NEED NOW 360 6, OR I NEED 400.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? ANY PENNY? IT'S PENNY WISE POUND.
NOW IT PREVENTS US FROM SPENDING ANYWHERE FROM $4 TO $25.
SO TED, WOULD ALL THESE PROJECTS TAKE PLACE IN 2021? YES.
WHERE IS THAT? IN THIS REPORT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, AND I'M RE-ASKING IT, BUT I NOTICED THAT, SO 130 PAGES OF IT IS THE ANALYSIS FROM GB NRTC AND THE CORNELL LOCAL ROADS, WHICH IS THE RATING PROGRAM THAT'S USED, WHICH YOU'VE SHARED BEFORE, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
HOWEVER, MY CONCERN IS THE, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S THE COST ANALYSIS AND THE, THE REASONING FOR THE PAVING.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS LOOKS LIKE.
AND IF THERE'S INFORMATION IN THIS PACKET, IT IS IN THERE.
I, AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU SPEND TWO DAYS GOING OVER THE DOCUMENT AND THAT WE GET TOGETHER SATURDAY MORNING.
I DON'T SEE IT IN THE TABLE OF CONTENT ONLY.
SO WHAT I, THE OTHER THING IS THAT TED, I DON'T KNOW, UM, ON 29 TO 31 IT SAYS INSERT CHART, AND YET THE CHART'S NOT INSERTED.
WAS THERE MAYBE SOMETHING NOT, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ON THE COVER PAGE THAT'S NOT FINAL.
I WANTED TO GET YOU WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE I, THOSE ARE PIECES THOUGH THAT ARE ACTUALLY SOME OF THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATIONS ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF INFORMATION FOR US.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL IF THE, THE ITEMS THAT I IDENTIFIED IN THE EMAIL THAT EVERYONE WAS COPIED ON, IF YOU COULD POINT US TO WHAT I MEAN JUST AN EMAIL TOMORROW OR SOMETHING, POINTING US TO WHAT PAGES THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS ARE ON.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CHART AFTER CHART IN HERE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT THINGS, OR AT LEAST I AM FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE.
SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT I CAN GET THESE ANSWERS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, LET ME, UH, LET ME SAY THIS GUYS AND GIRLS, UM, WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY GONNA MAKE ANY HEADWAY WITH THIS TONIGHT.
AND THERE, THERE ARE, I'M SURE AS WE GET INTO THIS REPORT WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS TO ASK.
NOW THE DIFFICULTY WE FACE IS THE LOGISTICAL ONE ON FRIDAY AT NOON.
IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE TOWN LAW REQUIREMENTS, WE GOTTA FILE RESOLUTIONS.
AND SO THE RESOLUTIONS WILL HAVE TO LIST THE UPPER AMOUNT FOR THESE VARIOUS ITEMS. SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON SATURDAY, WELL, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A RESOLUTION READY ON FRIDAY, OR WE HAVE TO, UH, FILE A RESOLUTION WITH A MINIMUM AMOUNT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT CAN BE AMENDED AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY.
SO YOU'VE GOTTA CONSIDER THOSE THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE PREFER NOT TO MEET ON SATURDAY, BUT THIS IS AN AWFUL LOT TO DO.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET IT ALL, UH, STRAIGHTENED OUT ON MONDAY AFTERNOON PRIOR TO A MEETING AT FIVE
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30.WE HAVE OUR REGULAR WORK SESSION AT FIVE 30 AND THEN OF COURSE THE BOARD MEETING AT SEVEN.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO IS MAINTAIN SET ASIDE AN HOUR OR AN HOUR AND A HALF ON SATURDAY MORNING, UH, TO CONSIDER THIS.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA PASS A, WE'VE GOTTA SUBMIT A RESOLUTION WITH A BONDED INDEBTEDNESS UPPER AMOUNT, WHICH WE MAY BE ABLE, WALTER, IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT TO, MAY BE ABLE TO AMEND IT ON MONDAY NIGHT ON THE FLOOR.
WELL, THAT'S PROCEDURALLY THEN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE TO DO.
BECAUSE, UH, I AM SURE, I JUST LOOKED AT PAGE 28.
I'M SURE AS I GO THROUGH THIS, I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JIM, IS WE COULD DO THE 200 OR 300, RIGHT? LET'S SAY ON THE HIGH SIDE WE DO THE 300 KIND OF AGREE, AGREE TO IT NOW LIKE WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE OTHER NINE ITEMS. YEP.
AND THEN AFTER TED'S PRESENTATION AND OUR, OUR ABILITY TO READ EVERYTHING AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, IF WE DECIDE TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT, EVEN, EVEN AS HIGH AS 6 MILLION, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND THE
THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED WITH A SHORT RESOLUTION.
PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO AMEND IT IN WRITING, NOT TO DO IT VERBALLY FROM THE FLOOR.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, UH, TALKING ABOUT CHUM CHAINS, THIS IS A RATHER SIGNIFICANT QUESTION.
SO PROPOSAL, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TWO TO 300,000, 300.
AGAIN, I'M JUST, I WANT TO STRESS THIS IS NOT A COST TO THE TAXPAYER.
TWO TO 300,000 OBVIOUSLY IS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE GOTTA PUT SOMETHING IN FOR, UH, FRIDAY.
FRIDAY AFTERNOON, WE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THIS INFORMATION UNTIL TONIGHT.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST ON THE HIGH END, SEAN, OF, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO $6 MILLION AND THAT WE THEN HAVE UP TO OCTOBER 25TH TO THEN REDUCE IT.
THEREBY IT'S THE SAME PREMISE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS.
UH, WE CAN DROP IT DOWN ACCORDINGLY AS OPPOSED TO GOING THE OTHER WAY, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT I THINK, THAN ANY OTHER PROJECT DISCUSSED.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO FROM THREE TO TO SIX IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT.
IF WE DECIDE WE CAN MAKE THE AMENDMENT ON, UH, MONDAY NIGHT.
UH, BUT, BUT WITH A WRITTEN RESOLUTION.
SO I DON'T SEE IF, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MERITS OF THIS THING AND GIVE IT CAREFUL CONSIDERATION.
SO WE'LL ACCOMMODATE, ACCOMMODATE YOU AND MEET SATURDAY MORNING AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED.
AND THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.
WE WON'T, WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THE OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY WELL IN SYNC WITH THOSE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOLKS? OKAY.
I'LL MAKE THAT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.