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SUN WAS UNDER YOUR SHOULDERS AND IT WAS LOVELY.
AND, AND I WAS PERFECTLY FINE.
WELL, THE PERFECT CORPS WAS GOOD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TERRIFIC, THOSE FOLKS.
ALRIGHT, LET SEE WHAT THE, ALRIGHT, JENNIFER, YOU TELL US WHEN IT'S TIME TO GO AND WE SHALL GO.
WE'RE GOOD TO GO, HUH? WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO CONVENE THE, UH, SPECIAL WORK SESSION OF THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD ON 9, 12 20 AT 10:00 AM SECOND.
ANYBODY SECOND? FOR LACK OF A SECOND, WE ALL GO HOME.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY GOODBYE BY SAYING AYE.
WELL, WE'RE MISSING THE GUEST OF HONOR.
UM, SO I GUESS WE CAN HAVE SOME GENERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HIS PROPOSAL.
UH, AND MAYBE I CAN BEFORE HE COMES, BUT YEAH, GO WHATEVER, TAKE WHATEVER TURN.
MAYBE I CAN START ONLY BECAUSE HE, SINCE TED ISN'T HERE, AND I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM, UH, THIS WEEK MM-HMM
UH, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO TRY TO GET SOME INFORMATION.
I KNOW HE SAID THAT HE GOT THE ADDENDUM, UH, OUT TO EVERYONE FOR WHAT WAS NOT IN WHAT HE PRESENTED TO US THE OTHER NIGHT, UHHUH.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, THIS PROPOSAL ENTAILS, YOU KNOW, A LARGE AMOUNT FOR, FOR BONDING.
I THINK SOME OF THE KEY POINTS TO NOTE IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT TED HAS MADE IS THAT, UM, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE TAX ASSESSMENT BECAUSE HE'S LOOKING AT FUNDING THE BOND PAYMENTS FROM HIS BUDGET.
I THINK THE BIG QUESTION REMAINS, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT HIS BEING ABLE TO FUNCTION? BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF HIS BUDGET AWAY FOR PAVING.
HOW DOES THAT REALLY AFFECT HIM GOING FORWARD? IS THIS SHIFT IN THINKING, IS THIS THIS PROTOCOL THAT HE HAS DEFINED IN THIS, UM, UH, PROPOSAL? IS IT, IS IT DOABLE? THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIG QUESTION BECAUSE IT IS A SHIFT IN THINKING WHAT IT'S, UH, WHAT IT DOES IS IT TAKES ALL OF THE ROADS FROM THE REPORT THAT HE HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT BEFORE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE RATED POOR, FAIR, UM, EXCELLENT.
AND IT REALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THEM AT WHAT LEVEL OF NEED THEY HAVE AT THE STARTING POINT, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT YEAR.
AND SO IT, UH, DEFINES THE PROTOCOL FOR HOW TO FIX THE POOR ROADS, THE MEDIUM ROADS, THOSE ROADS THAT DON'T NEED, NEED, THE MILLING.
THEN THEY WOULD BE, UH, IN ESSENCE HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF TOP COAT.
THEY WOULD BE ALL BROUGHT UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEN IT BECOMES A MAINTENANCE PLAN.
IT'S A KIND OF A SHIFT SO THAT THE STRATEGY AND THE EMPHASIS IS ON MAINTENANCE, MORE MAINTENANCE TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF THE ROAD, AND THAT EVERYTHING IS STARTING LIKE AT GROUND ZERO AND GOING FORWARD.
UM, THEREFORE HE WOULD NOT NEED THE SAME LEVEL OF, UH, FUNDING IN HIS BUDGET EVERY YEAR FOR PAVING BECAUSE IT WOULD SHIFT MORE TO MAINTENANCE.
AND BECAUSE THE LIFE OF THE ROADS BEING SUCH AND THE LIFE OF THE BOND, THAT THEN AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE YEARS TO SOMEWHAT BUILD UP AND ANTICIPATE THE NEXT TIME THINGS NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED.
OKAY, TED, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT OUR, YEAH, HERE'S WHAT OUR PROTOCOL'S GOING TO BE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA LET EACH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ADDRESS, UH, I GUESS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO YOU.
WE, WE'LL GO AROUND AND DO THAT.
YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS YOU BEST YOU CAN.
AND THEN MY THINKING IS ONCE WE FINISH OUR Q AND A, ALL FIVE OF US, WE'LL GIVE YOU FIVE OR 10 MINUTES TO SUMMARIZE YOUR POSITION AND EACH OF US CAN TAKE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES TO SUMMARIZE OURS.
THE GOAL HERE IS TO GET BACK, TO GET OUTTA HERE BEFORE DINNER.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UH, WE'LL START.
I DON'T, MY BETH WAS TALKING IN YOUR ABSENCE.
WE JUST GOT STARTED ON SOME DISCUSSIONS.
IF, BETH, YOU WANT TO POSE SOME QUESTIONS SINCE YOU GOT THE BALL ROLLING, YOU WANNA POSE SOME QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO TED? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
SO TED, I WAS JUST GIVING A, A TRY.
I WAS TRYING TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WERE SOME OF THE KEY POINTS, UM, SINCE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, UH, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME THE OTHER NIGHT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE POINT I WAS AT.
UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED WITH TED PREVIOUSLY WAS, UH, WHERE DID, UH, THE RATIONALE, YOU KNOW, THE SHIFT IN THINKING OF HOW THIS IS ADDRESSED, WHERE DID, UM, SOME OF THAT RATIONALE COME FROM? HE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I KNOW ONE OF THE AREAS IN WHICH I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO TED ABOUT IS, AND HE DID THE RESEARCH ON EMPLOYING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTING OUT TO DO THE PAVING VERSUS HAVING OUR STAFF AND, AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT.
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ELEMENT OF EVEN ENTERTAINING, UH, DOING THIS LARGE AMOUNT OF, OF PAVING.I MYSELF, GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAT TED HAS PUT TOGETHER, WOULD, UH, I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL THERE.
IF WE LOOK TO REALLY CONTRACTING OUT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UH, ANY LARGE AMOUNT OF PAVING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN, I THINK WOULD BE BEST.
WE WOULD BE BEST SERVED BY HALF BY CONTRACTING OUT.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL IN THEORY FOR DOING IT AND ASCERTAINING WHETHER THAT MEETS OUR NEEDS RIGHT NOW.
WHETHER IT FITS INTO, UH, OUR, OUR PLAN, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I MADE TO, TO TED AND, AND I'VE ALREADY CONTACTED THEM AND HE HAS PROVIDED ME WITH EXTRA REPORTS, IS THAT WE, UH, HAVE A HIGHWAY ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ABOUT 130 YEARS OF, OF IN DEPTH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE, BOTH WITH DOT THROUGH A AUTHORITY, ET CETERA.
AND THEY'RE ALL HAMMERED RESIDENTS AND THEY'RE READY AND HAVE BEEN READY TO ASSIST AND ADVISE THE BOARD ON, ON ISSUES, UH, SUCH AS THIS.
SO I SPOKE WITH TED AND I'M GETTING THIS REPORT TO THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF MY DUE DILIGENCE TO HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO DIGEST THIS AS AN APPROACH BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE PAVING ISSUE IN THE TOWN.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THEIR, UM, ASSESSMENT OF THIS STRATEGY.
AND, UH, AND THEY, I'M SURE WILL BE AMENABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE STATED THAT IN THE PAST TO COMING AND PRESENTING TO THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEIR THOUGHTS.
UM, IT, IT REALLY IS A GREAT GROUP BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE, AS I SAID BEFORE, BUT THEY ARE HAND OR RESIDENTS.
SO THEY HAVE THE VESTED INTERESTS AS A TAXPAYER.
AND I THINK THEIR INSIGHTS MIGHT BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
WHETHER THIS PROJECT IS, UM, ULTIMATELY WHETHER WE DECIDE FOR IT TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS OR WHETHER WE FEEL IT HAS MERIT, BUT MAYBE THE TIMING IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
I THINK EITHER WAY IT WILL BE INVALUABLE TO HAVE, UM, THIS OTHER BODY OF INDIVIDUALS TAKE A LOOK AND GIVE US THEIR, THEIR INPUT.
UH, QUESTION, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SO HOW LONG HAS THAT ADVISORY BOARD BEEN IN EXISTENCE? IT HASN'T, WELL, WE PUT IT TOGETHER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, BUT THEY HAVEN'T MET OR DONE ANYTHING.
OH, HAVE THEY? WE HAVE REVIEWED DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO TED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES AND WAY IN WHICH WE COULD UTILIZE THEM.
UM, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT UP TO THIS POINT.
UM, TED'S PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING ME ASK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR EXPERTISE, BUT, UM, THIS SEEMS IN, IN MY ESTIMATION, A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON, ON THEIR EXPERTISE.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, HE HAS GIVEN ME THE REPORTS, SO I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DISTRIBUTING THESE, UH, THIS TWO, THOSE GENTLEMEN AND, UH, WE'RE SETTING UP A MEETING FOR NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, WHETHER THIS, WHY, WHY, HOLD ON, WHY HAVEN'T WE UTILIZED IT UP TO THIS POINT? I, I KNEW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FOUR, SO THEY CAME IN, RIGHT? THEY CAME IN A PRESENTATION.
WHY HAVEN'T WE UTILIZED IT? UH, WELL I THINK IN SPEAKING WITH TED, UM, AND I HAVE AVAILED, YOU KNOW, HIM OF THIS OPPORTUNITY AND YEAH.
UM, TED HAS, I DON'T THINK, FELT WELL, I HAVEN'T THAT HE WANTED TO ENGAGE IN THE PAST IN, IN, UM MM-HMM
USING THEM IN THE PROCESS FOR ANY DECISION MAKING.
AND WHO'S ON THE BOARD JUST SO WE KNOW? THE GENTLEMAN INCLUDE, UM, TIM ROACH.
HE USED TO BE HEAD OF, AND THEY PROVIDED ALL THE RESUMES FOR US.
HE USED TO BE WITH, UH, I THINK HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE URI SOUTH FACILITY HERE.
AND, UH, SCOTT ETTE, ACTUALLY SCOTT JUST SUCCESSFULLY FINISHED THE PROJECT AT EXIT 57 AND, UH, JERRY GILIO.
SO THEY ALL HAVE, UH, EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH DOT THROUGH A, ET CETERA, AT MULTIPLE LEVELS.
UM, AND AGAIN, IRONICALLY, THEY, THEY ALL HAPPEN TO BE HAMMERED RESIDENTS AND THEY WERE EAGER TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST THE TOWN BOARD WHEN POSSIBLE.
UM, I REGRET THAT THEY HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY PREVIOUSLY, BUT AS SOON AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND MY ESTIMATION, IT WASN'T PER PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.
BASED UPON THE, THE MAGNITUDE THAT, UH, WE HAD BEFORE US HAVING, UH, AND I KNOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, SO I THINK IT, THE TIMING IS RIGHT TO ENGAGE THEM AND, UH, 130 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
WHO ELSE WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT? QUESTIONS TO YOU? YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO MAKE YOUR YOUR PITCH LATER.
WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? ANYBODY? GO AHEAD SEAN.
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THIS IS A FIRST OFF THANKS TO THE REPORT.YOU KNOW, IT'S THOROUGH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU, YOU TOOK SOME TIME AND EFFORT, UM, WHICH WE APPRECIATE AND YOU'RE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX IN TERMS OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T, UH, SEEN DONE BEFORE.
BUT CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN TERMS OF, UH, HAVING SO MUCH PAVING TAKE PLACE IN, IN ONE YEAR WITH THE DIFFICULTIES WE'VE HAD JUST EVEN THE LAST YEAR WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFFING AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING? WELL, WE, WE, WE WALKED THROUGH IT IN HERE, UH, NOTING THAT WHAT'S THE, UH, NUMBER OF ROADS THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT ITSELF CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CONTRACTED SERVICE.
SO, BUT DO YOU CONSISTENT WITH THAT'S POINT, I THINK WE'D BE LOOKING TO CONTRACT THIS WORK OUT.
BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTRACT THAT MUCH IN ONE IN ONE YEAR ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND, AND HAVE IT DONE THE WAY YOU NEEDED TO TO BE DONE? OH, YEAH.
UM, DID, DID YOU SEE WHERE WE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN THE UH, YEAH, I JUST WANNA GET YOUR PERSONAL TAKE IS IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ THROUGH THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT IT, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PARTS EARMARKED THAT I DID HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT YEAH, IT JUST IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO SEE A REPORT, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM YOU, JUST YOUR PERSONAL TAKE ON, ON, ON HOW THIS WOULD ACTUALLY PLAY OUT.
I MEAN, GOING WITH CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS, UH, OF DOING IT.
WHETHER IT'S, UH, AMHERST PAVING, WHETHER IT'S, UH, UNION CONCRETE, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
UM, I THINK IT'S TONAWANDA, UH, IT WAS EITHER THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR, UH, CONTRACTED OUT THEIR WORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE SEASON STARTS THE BEGINNING OF MAY.
SO THAT WAS, THAT'S A PRETTY FAST TURNAROUND.
SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, OTHER TOWNS HAVE DONE BONDING AND GOTTEN THIS WORK DONE WITHOUT AN ISSUE.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONCERN AT ALL.
UM, MINE KIND OF GOES WITH YOUR QUESTION.
SO, AND I SAW THAT YOU HAD, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE REPORT AND I GOT THE AMENDED VERSION YESTERDAY, WHICH FILLED IN A LOT OF GAPS.
UM, SO JUST REMIND ME, HOW MANY LANE MILES DID YOU GUYS PAVE THIS YEAR? UH, WE'RE STILL PAID.
AND SO WHAT'S, HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE PAVED APPROXIMATELY? UM, APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 OUT THERE.
SO, AND I SAW THAT YOU HAD LAID OUT AND THE IDEA OF USING A CONTRACTOR AND ALSO USING THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT THAT A CONTRACTOR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH THESE NUMBERS, UM, COULD DO THREE, TWO LANE MILES PER MONTH AND YOU GUYS WOULD BE DOING 10 LANE MILES PER MONTH.
THAT WOULD BE I IF THIS PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.
SO IT'D BE THE 42 LANE MILES PER MONTH BASED ON THE NUMBERS.
UM, SO MY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT GO WITH THAT.
THE ONE THING THAT I NEED FOR CLARIFICATION IS THE, THE CHART THAT YOU PROVIDED WITH THE G-B-N-R-T-C RATINGS KIND OF CONFLICTS WITH, UM, THE NUMBERS WEREN'T ADDING UP.
THERE WAS, WHEN I ADDED IT UP, WE'VE GOT 317 LANE MILES, IT ADDED UP TO ABOUT TWO 15.
SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT OTHER A HUNDRED FELL IN.
I JUST WANNA GET A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY RATED FOR AND FAIR.
SO ON THE G-B-N-R-T-C, UM, WE'VE GOT THE 60 THAT ARE POOR, 62 THAT ARE FAIR, 59 THAT ARE GOOD, AND 34 THAT ARE EXCELLENT, WHICH ADDS UP TO TWO 15 SOMETHING AROUND THERE.
UM, WHAT'S THE MOST ACCURATE NUMBER TO USE THE G-P-N-R-T-C ONE OR THE, UH, CORNELL LOCAL ROADS PROGRAM? UH, WHICH DOES ADD UP TO THE THREE 17, BUT IT SHIPS IT DOWN TO 38.5 LANE MILES POOR.
SO WHICH ONE WOULD YOU SAY IS MORE ACCURATE? AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF LANE MILES? YES.
WELL, WITH THE TWO PROGRAMS THERE, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OVERLAP, BUT IT'S NOT ONE-TO-ONE 'CAUSE THEY'RE INDEPENDENTLY DONE.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE RELATIVE TO THAT.
SO THE NUMBERS ARE BOTH ACCURATE.
UM, WE PICKED, UM, THE NUMBERS BASED UPON GDN AS WELL AS CORNELL AS FAR AS IT TOTALING UP TO TWO 15.
YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF HOW MANY ARE POOR, FAIR, GOOD, AND EXCELLENT THAT WE WOULD BE USING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WERE MORE RELATED TO, UM, AND I, AND I READ THIS ALL LAST NIGHT.
AND THIS MORNING, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A, A THOROUGH OVERVIEW OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ROADS THAT AREN'T MAINTAINED AND PAVEMENT LIFE CYCLE.
AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO GATHER MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOMEWHERE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE APPROPRIATE BUDGET AND THE APPROPRIATE STAFF.
WOULD THIS INCLUDE A NEED FOR INCREASED STAFFING IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAD SAID IN 2019 YOU GUYS HAD PAVED FOR
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TWO MONTHS.THIS PLAN MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE PAVING FOR FIVE MONTHS, UM, ALONGSIDE A CONTRACTOR THAT'S ALSO PAVING FOR FIVE MONTHS.
SO WOULD WE NEED TO, I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE STAFF IN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO ACCOMPLISH THESE TASKS AND STILL BE ABLE TO, UM, DO ALL OF THE, RESPOND TO ALL OF THE, THE RESIDENT COMPLAINTS OF MAINTENANCE TYPE ISSUES? OR WOULD IT BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH YOUR STAFF OF THE 31 OVER THE FIVE MONTHS? WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'VE, THE ADVANTAGE OF CONTRACTING THIS WORK OUT SO THAT, UH, OUR STAFF AND THE HYBRID DEPARTMENT CAN FOCUS, FOCUS ON THOSE WORK ORDERS, THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING TO THE, UH, THE BOARD.
UH, SO WOULD YOU BE CONTRACTING THE WHOLE THING OUT OR, 'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WOULD BE 32 LANE MILES A MONTH WITH THE CONTRACTOR, 10 LANE MILES A MONTH WITH THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
UH, THAT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I THINK THAT IF WE CONTRACT THE WORK OUT, UH, AGAIN, IT ALLOWS US AND THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT TO GET AFTER ALL OF THOSE WORK ORDERS.
SO YOU'RE USUALLY LEANING MORE TOWARDS CONTRACTING IT ALL OUT.
YEAH, I WOULD NOT BE ADVERSE TO THAT.
AND SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANY INCREASED STAFFING TO ACCOMPLISH, THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING ANY OF THE PAVING THEN IN HOUSE? WELL, YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DEVIL IN THE DETAILS.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, ARE WE GONNA CONTRACT IT OUT? ARE WE GONNA DO A PIECE OF IT? UM, THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO EITHER, UH, ONE OF THE BIG ADVANTAGES TO CONTRACTING IT OUT IS IT ALLOWS US TO FOCUS ON ALL OF THOSE WORK ORDERS THAT COME IN.
'CAUSE BASED ON THE WAY THAT IT WAS LAID OUT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALREADY THAT THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL WAS TO DO USE A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
THE OTHER THING THAT I SAW THAT YOU ADDED, WHICH I THINK WAS REALLY HELPFUL TOO, IS THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING.
UM, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE COST OF THAT.
IT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THAT IF YOU ARE HAVING NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING FOR POSSIBLY A, YOU KNOW, A CREW PAVING IN HOUSE AND A CONTRACTOR, UM, TAKING THAT, UM, EXPENSE INTO ACCOUNT, LOOKS LIKE THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT.
UM, BUT ALONG WITH THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING, UM, THE CONTRACTING COST, DOES THAT INCLUDE, UM, ANY SORT OF LIKE CONSULTANT OR QUALITY CONTROL? UM, IS THERE A, IS THERE A COST FOR THAT PROVIDED? UH, NO, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING COMES IN.
YOU KNOW, THE KEY PIECE FOR ASPHALT PAVING IS THE DENSITY.
SO FROM THE, UH, SERIES 70 DENSITY TESTING WOULD BE, UH, IT'S AN ADDED EXPENSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE COST TO THAT.
IS THERE A BENEFIT TO IT? CERTAINLY.
DO, UH, OTHER TOWNS DO IT? NO, THEY DON'T.
BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BENCHMARK OFF OF, UH, NEW YORK CITY DOT AS AN EXAMPLE.
WELL, AND THAT'S THE THING THOUGH.
SO NEW YORK STATE, DOT, THEY DO DO THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING, BUT THERE IS ALSO USUALLY ANOTHER PARTY BROUGHT IN ONSITE FOR QUALITY CONTROL MEASURES TO DO INSPECTION AND PROJECT OVERSIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CONSULTANT CONTRACT THAT'S INVOLVED THERE, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE OR IF IT WOULD INCREASE.
BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE HAD STARTED OUT, WE, I MEAN, JUST WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE INFORMATION, I THINK SAM HAD SAID BACK IN AUGUST, UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT, I THINK IT WAS 5.3 AND NOW IT'S AT 6.2.
AND I'M JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS FAR AS NOT JUST DOING THE WORK, BUT ALSO DOING THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISION OF THE WORK.
AND THE SUPERVISIONS, UM, AS IS FINE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE DONE A BOND, UH, I THINK IT WAS BACK IN 96, UH, SIGNIFICANT BOND WAS HAD BY THE TOWN.
CERTAINLY, UM, NOT ADVERSE TO HAVING A CONSULTANT PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF THE QUALITY OF THE WORK.
UH, THE MAGNITUDE IS SIGNIFICANT.
YOU'LL NOTE THE NUMBER HAS GONE UP, BUT THE ORIGINAL ONLY CONSIDERED THE POORLY RATED ROADS.
THIS NOW CONSIDERS THE GOOD AND FAIR ROADS TO GET US LEVEL SET.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
IF WE WERE GOING TO BRING A CONSULTANT INTO, IT'S, IT'S A LARGE PROJECT AND A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE ON HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
ARE WE JUST GONNA DO NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING OR ARE WE GOING TO, LIKE YOU SAID, FOLLOW THE NEW YORK STATE DOT STANDARDS OF BRINGING A CONSULTANT IN FOR INSPECTION SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT ADDED INCREASE I WOULD SAY, AND I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS.
I, I WOULD SAY WE DO SOME TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HYBRID, YOU KNOW, SERIES 70 IS NON-DESTRUCTIVE.
THEY ALSO DO DESTRUCTIVE, WHICH IS THEY DO CORE SAMPLES TO VERIFY,
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UH, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE, THE N DEGREE, BUT THERE'S A COST TO IT.WELL, AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING.
I KNOW THAT, UM, THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED HAD THE CORE SAMPLES, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT OFTEN THE CASE WITH THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE LOW END WITH THE NUCLEAR DENSITY TESTING, BUT IF YOU COULD GET A NUMBER FOR WHAT, UM, LIKE A CONSULTANT COST MIGHT COST TO OVERSEE A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO DO MORE QUALITY CONTROL MEASURES, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO PURCHASING A NUCLEAR TEST GAUGE.
UH, I GOT A PRICE OF ABOUT $10,000.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE HIGHLY REGULATED TRAININGS REQUIRED.
RADIATION SAFETY OFFICER REQUIRED.
IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, I THINK, WHAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SHOULD DO GETTING IN THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE FRANKLY, IF IT FALLS OFF THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND WE'RE OUT A, WE'RE OUT A $12,000 PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
UH, SO THERE ARE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, UH, SJB RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THAT, THAT DOES THIS WORK.
AND I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE, THE BIGGEST PIECE FOR ME IS, LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW, HYBRID BETWEEN DOING IT IN HOUSE AND DOING, UM, AND USING A CONTRACTOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE JUST A CONTRACTOR FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR DAILY OPERATIONS WITH YOUR, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DECIDED.
AND WHAT DOES THAT COST LOOK LIKE? THIS THAT'S NOT COVERED IN THIS BREAKDOWN OF WHAT JUST GOING WITH THE CONTRACTOR IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND, AND I, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, PAVING'S ONLY ONE ASPECT OF WHAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT DOES AS, AS YOU FOLKS KNOW MM-HMM
AND, UH, THAT ALLOWS US, UH, MORE ADDITIONAL TIME TO DO, AGAIN, THOSE WORK ORDERS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING AND THAT COME UP THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BETTER SERVED.
HOW MANY CALLS WOULD YOU GET, SAY THAT YOU GUYS GET, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WORK ORDERS AND STUFF, HOW MANY CALLS DO YOU GET PER YEAR? I GET OVER 10,000 PHONE CALLS.
AND ARE ANY OF THOSE, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY ROUGH ESTIMATE HERE AS FAR AS RESIDENT CONCERNS OF ISSUES, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT ISSUES WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANE.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE? OH, IT'S THE VAST MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE ROAD, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE CHARGE OF THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, IS THE ROAD THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THE OTHER, UM, MATTERS THAT COME UP REGARDING DRAINAGE ARE, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, IN MANY CASES.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE SKILLSET AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LEGALLY, UH, ALLOWED TO DO THAT WORK WITH THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
SO YOU WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT THE CONDITION, INFRASTRUCTURE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANE.
UM, HAVE ANY OF THOSE RESULTED? HAVE WE, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY SORT OF LITIGATION OR LAWSUITS FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF OUR, OUR PAVEMENT? I'M JUST WONDERING IN COMPARISON TO SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE POORLY RATED ROADS.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING OFF HAND.
I'M SURE THAT EXISTS, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME A LIST OF CASES.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE OTHER PIECE FOR ME IS JUST GETTING A BETTER IDEA OF WHICH, WHICH PIE CHART TO USE THAT'S GONNA ADD UP TO THE THREE 17 TO HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONDITION OF OUR ROADS.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT COMES FROM BOTH OF THESE, BUT WHAT ARE WE USING? HOW MUCH IS POOR? HOW MUCH IS FAIR? HOW MUCH IS GOOD? UM, BECAUSE 38 IS DIFFERENT THAN I, I'VE HEARD 80, THIS ONE SAYS 60, AND NOW THIS ONE SAYS 38.5.
SO I JUST WANT A, THE MOST ACCURATE ESTIMATE WE CAN SAY OF OUR PERCENTAGE OF ROADS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY FOR ALL OF 'EM, BUT FOR POOR AND FAIR, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
ALSO NOTICE THAT, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THE SCORING SYSTEMS USED BY THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS ARE DIFFERENT ONE'S ON A SCALE OF, UH, ZERO TO 100, AND THE OTHER ONE IS ZERO TO 94.
UM, SO THEN WE HAVE TO HOMOGENIZE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MATHEMATICALLY DETERMINE HOW DO WE COMPARE A 94 TO A HUNDRED.
THAT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE 70 VERSUS A 60, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO, AND I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS IF IF WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AND IT HAD TO BE DONE SOME IN-HOUSE, WHAT SORT OF BURDEN OR STRESS WOULD THAT BE ON YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT ADDED WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MEET, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE NEEDS WITH THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE? WELL, WITH THE STAFF WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, WE STRUGGLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE HIGHWAY DEPART.
WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I, I GUESS MY BIG THING HERE IS, IS THAT UNLESS WE CAN COMMIT TO IT FULLY BEING A CONTRACTOR, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S INCREASED WORK THAT THE DEPARTMENT COULD HANDLE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL HIRING.
AND I KNOW THAT'S JUST A BIG CONCERN WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW MOVING FORWARD, ADDING ANY STAFFING.
SO THAT'S JUST A BIG PIECE FOR ME THAT I WANT SOME ASSURANCE ON THAT WE WOULDN'T END UP IN A POSITION WITH
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A PROJECT THAT WE NEEDED, UH, INCREASED STAFF.WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY TIED TO A CERTAIN PORTION OF THIS IMPROVEMENT.
MICHAEL, YOU WANNA GO? YOU WANT ME TO GO? GO AHEAD.
UM, SO TED, AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU THE OTHER DAY, YOU STATED THAT YOU DO BETWEEN 10 AND 20, UH, UH, LANE MILES A YEAR ON YOUR CURRENT BUDGET, THE CURRENT MONEY THAT YOU HAVE BY GOING DOWN THIS ROAD AND TAKING OUT A BOND, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY A, WOULD YOU SAY 40% OF YOUR, OF YOUR, UH, FUND? UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40%.
SO 40%, AND I THINK THIS TEES OFF ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
SO THIS BOND PROJECT, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IS GONNA GO ALL CONTRACTOR.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? THE WHOLE, THIS WHOLE THING WE'RE DOING THAT'S STILL GONNA LEAVE YOU MONEY IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
IT'S GONNA LEAVE THEM APPROXIMATELY 60%, BUT SOME OF THAT MONEY IS CHIPS AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT IS STILL GONNA DO SOME ROADS OUT OF THE REMAINDER OF THEIR FUND, BUT IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THEY CURRENTLY DO NOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
DOES THAT SOUND, AM I, AM I PUTTING THIS TOGETHER CORRECTLY? UM, WELL, I WOULD, UH, BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WOULD THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT BE DOING PAVING? UH, IF, IF WE GO FORWARD NEXT YEAR WITH THIS 6.2, RIGHT, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THE POOR ROADS, RIGHT? AND THEN WE LEVEL SET ALL THE OTHER ROADS, RIGHT? UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A NEED FOR PAVING.
UM, WE WOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT'S THE PARADIGM SHIFT, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS SPEND MONEY, SPEND OUR TIME ON MAINTENANCE.
NOW, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES, ARE WE GONNA HAVE, UH, UNANTICIPATED ROADS THAT ARE GOING TO, UH, NOT, UM, FOLLOW THE CURVE? I, I WOULD SAY YES.
AND, AND FRANKLY, THIS IS WHERE THE DYNAMIC HAS TO CHANGE FOR US.
WE GET IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTENANCE, WE JUST DO MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS AS IS.
AND WHERE THERE IS AN, AN ABERRATION WHERE A ROAD HAS DETERIORATED FASTER THAN WE ANTICIPATED, THIS IS WHEN WE, AS A, YOU GUYS, AS A BOARD, I COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTENANCE.
HERE'S A ROAD THAT HAS DETERIORATED FOR A VERY VARIETY OF REASONS, AND WE NEED TO BUDGET AND PLAN FOR IT.
AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, MORE FRANKLY INVOLVED IN HERE'S ONE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, OR TWO, IT'S OUTSIDE WHAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR, BUT NOW WE CAN PLAN FOR IT RIGHT NOW, UH, DARE I SAY, THERE IS NO METHOD TO THE MADNESS ON HOW HIGHWAY FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GIVEN X AND WE USE X, WE NEED TO GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE BUSINESS.
AND THAT XI ANTICIPATE, AS NOTED HERE, WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE ONCE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS, WE'RE GONNA BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE.
AND WHERE THERE IS A, WHERE THERE'S A DEVIATION, WE COME AND TALK ABOUT IT, WE PLAN FOR IT, AND WE, WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT WHERE THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS GONNA BE FOR 15 YEARS OKAY.
SO YOUR BUDGET IS GONNA BE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT IT IS NOW, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THOSE CHIPS AND EVERYTHING THAT AREN'T GUARANTEED.
UM, ALL THIS, LET'S SAY IT'S APPROVED AND ALL THIS PAVING GETS DONE.
SO THE NEXT 15 YEARS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SMALLER BUDGET.
YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO TOWARDS, UM, MAINTENANCE WITH THE BALANCE OF YOUR FUNDS, AND IF YOU NEED TO DO, UH, A, AN ODD END ROAD, THE HIGHWAY GUYS WILL DO IT OUT OF THAT POT OF FUNDS.
IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT'D BE THE IDEA.
SO THEN WELL, AND I GUESS THAT'S A BIG, THIS DOESN'T PROPOSE GOING CONTRACTOR ONLY.
SO I JUST, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CAN GET ME THAT INFORMATION THAT KIND OF COVERS GOING WITH THAT, THIS IS GOING IN THE HYBRID AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DIVIDE HERE.
AND THAT WAS A BIG, IS THAT WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IF THAT IT'S ONLY CAN BE DONE, CONTRACTOR ONLY, THEN THERE'S OTHER INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION THAT I HAD WHEN I MET WITH TED THE OTHER NIGHT.
AND IN MY CONVERSATION WITH, WITH TED, I SOMEWHAT HAD THE SAME THOUGHT AS YOU AND, AND WAS LEADING IN THAT SAME, SAME DIRECTION, SAYING TO ME, IT MADE MORE SENSE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS BIG COMMITMENT THAN RATHER THAN PIECING IT TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN I ASKED HIM, WELL, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT, UM, THE TOWN HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WOULD DO? AND HE ESTIMATED BETWEEN ZERO AND 20.
AND IN FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH HIM,
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I WAS LEANING TOWARDS THE SUGGESTION OF I WOULD THINK WE'D WANNA JUST SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS FOR THE CONSISTENCY.AND ALSO THEN I EXPRESSED TO HIM THAT IT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO, UM, SHIFT HIS FOCUS TO THOSE OTHER TASKS.
AND ALSO THEN IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO INVEST IN ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT OR NEEDS OF PAVING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO ME TO JUST SAY, YOU'RE GOING A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED BY YOUR, YOUR CONTRACTOR.
SO I WAS, MY THINKING WAS, AND I THINK GIVEN THAT, LIKE I SAID, THIS DOESN'T COVER THAT, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE COST.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONSULTANT, THINGS LIKE THAT, I JUST WANNA GET THE MOST ACCURATE INFORMATION FOR THE SCOPE REALLY WOULD BE.
KEN, I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
THE, THE, UM, AS FAR AS THE COST, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE ESTIMATES BASED UPON THE ERIE COUNTY BID BOOK.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NOT FACTORED IN IS THE, UM, QUALITY ASSURANCE, UH, OVERSIGHT, BUT IT WAS BROKEN DOWN.
THE, WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS BROKEN DOWN DOING PART HIGHWAY, DOING THE WORK FOR FIVE MONTHS, AND A CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK FOR FIVE MONTHS.
THAT'S WHAT I READ IN HERE WAS THE, FOR FIVE MONTHS, THE HIGHWAY WOULD BE PAVING 10 LANE MILES A MONTH.
AND THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, A THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT TAKING AWAY THOSE RESOURCES AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO.
AND I AGREE, LIKE YOU SAID, FULFILL THE WORK ORDERS AND YOU WANNA KNOW HOW THAT IMPACTS, IMPACTS THAT NUMBER.
IN OTHER WORDS, HOW IT IMPACTS THE NUMBER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PROPOSED AS THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WOULD BE PAVING FOR FIVE MONTHS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
SO THAT IT'S A, SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE NEED TO LOOK AT MM-HMM
SO THE COST, UH, AGAIN, WOULD BE THROUGH THE, THE BID BOOK.
SO WHAT WE PAY IS WHAT THE SAME PRICE AS WHAT THE APPROVED BIDDERS ON THE CONTRACT ALSO WILL PAY.
SO THAT NUMBER IN AND OF ITSELF IS ACCURATE.
ADDING THOSE, UH, OTHER FIGURES AS FAR AS, UH, QUALITY OVERSIGHT THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL PROVIDE THAT.
TED, I'VE GOT A LOT OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH 'EM.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO IN YOUR REPORT, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO, UH, A CONCEPT THAT I WASN'T THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH, AND THAT IS THIS, WITH RESPECT TO ROADS THAT ARE RATED POOR, UH, SOMETIMES COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTIONS ARE REQUIRED.
UH, HOW MANY COMPREHENSIVE RECONSTRUCTIONS AS THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKEN IN 20, 20 19 AND 2018 WITH RESPECT TO POORLY RATED ROADS? UH, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY, UH, FULL RECONSTRUCTIONS.
ALRIGHT, NOW ON PAGE THREE OF YOUR REPORT, UH, YOU REP REFERENCED SOME EXPERT OPINIONS THAT ARE RENDERED AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE VALIDITY OF THE CONCLUSION DRAWN IT.
LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
UH, THE EXPERT OPINION IS THAT AFTER 75% OF PAVEMENT LIFE ON A GIVEN ROAD EXPIRES, THAT ROAD IS STILL CONSIDERED IN MOST CASES TO BE SATISFACTORY, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A RANGE FROM FAIR TO EXCELLENT IN ITS CONDITION.
HOWEVER, THE CONCLUSION GOES ON TO STATE THAT AFTER A 75% DETERIORATION, THE NEXT 12% OF DETERIORATION RESULTS IN A VERY POOR ROAD CONDITION.
UH, OBVIOUSLY ROADS ARE ALL SOMEWHAT UNIQUE.
WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT ENTER INTO ROAD DETERIORATION BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE ON TOWN ROADS HERE IN HAMBURG? WELL, WE USE THE STUDIES TO, AS A GUIDE.
SO WE DON'T MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON WHAT ROADS TO PAVE BASED UPON, UH, THESE STUDIES ALONE.
WE USE 'EM AS A GUIDE AND THEN WE GO OUT THERE AND EVALUATE EACH OF THOSE ROADS INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT THERE'S A MYRIAD OF ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, ROADS THAT DETERIORATE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THEM? ONE OF 'EM ACTUALLY IS THE WEIGHT OF VEHICLES.
AND SO IN THE TOWN WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE TRASH SURFACES THAT GO ABOUT MM-HMM
UH, AND THOSE ARE HEAVY VEHICLES.
UM, AND OTHER TOWNS ACTUALLY CONTRACT THAT SERVICE OUT.
BUT I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS, I SUPPOSE YOU FOLKS HAVE AS WELL, WHEN WE'VE GOT MODERN WASTE MANAGEMENT AND MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S GOING OUT AND DOING ALL OF THE, UH, PICKUP THAT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, ALSO DRAINAGE, UH, IS AN ISSUE AS FAR AS PROPER DRAINAGE OF ROADS.
UH, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL, UH, BEING USED IS A FACTOR.
MATTER OF FACT, UH, WE STARTED, UH, THIS YEAR
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TO USE THE ADDITION OF A POLYMER, UH, THAT WE'VE ADDED AND IT'S NOTED IN THIS REPORT MM-HMMUH, AND WE'RE GETTING, UH, BASED UPON, UH, WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY, UH, WE WILL, UH, REAP THE BENEFITS FROM THE USE OF THE POLYMER BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR THE ASPHALT ITSELF TO KNIT TIGHTER THE TITER.
IT IS KNIT WITH, ALONG WITH INCREASED FLEXIBILITY WITH THE USE OF THE POLYMER, MAKES IT MORE IMPERVIOUS TO, UH, WATER INFILTRATION.
UH, SOME IDEA, I I GUESS THERE, YEAH.
I CAN APPRECIATE THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF FACTORS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CONCLUSION IS SUPPORTED THAT AFTER A 75% DETERIORATION, THE NEXT 12% MOVES IT FROM FAIR OR GOOD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, VERY POOR.
BUT, BUT THIS, THE, THESE ARE, THESE AREN'T, WE DIDN'T CREATE THESE CRAP.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING SOME EXPERT OPINIONS.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW VALID THE OPINION IS, BUT IN ANY EVENT, WELL, I MEAN, JIM, THESE ARE, THIS IS FROM THE CORNELL, THIS IS FROM NO, I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S AS VALID AS THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE.
UH, WITHOUT, WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE EXPERTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE HYBRID DEPART.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVIDE YOU A REFERENCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH? NOPE.
UH, YOU EXPRESS YOUR OWN OPINION, UH, UH, ON PAGE TWO.
UH, AND YOU INDICATE THAT, AND I'M QUOING YOU, UH, THAT OUR ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE REPRESENTS OUR GREATEST FINANCIAL LIABILITY IF WE DO NOT FIX OUR OWN ROADS PROPERLY.
WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN OUR GREATEST? WHY IS IT OUR GREATEST FINANCIAL LIABILITY? WELL, UM, IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, LANE MILES OR CENTER LANE MILES 160, UH, SEVEN OF THEM, UH, WHAT IS THE COST TO RECONSTRUCT A ROAD? ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA? ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COSTS TO RECONSTRUCT ONE MILE OF ROAD? NO, YOU GOTTA TELL US.
I DON'T SUNSET AS AN EXAMPLE IN THE VILLAGE, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO, UH, RECONSTRUCT A ROAD.
SO IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 167, WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AN INFRASTRUCTURE VALUED AT $167 MILLION MM-HMM
THAT THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THAT'S WHERE THE STATEMENT OF IT'S OUR MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE.
UH, NO, I KNOW IT'S OUR, OUR IT'S A VALUABLE RESOURCE, BUT YOU INDICATE IT'S OUR GREATEST FINANCIAL LIABILITY IF WE DON'T FIX THEM.
HAVE WE BEEN HELD LIABLE IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, FAULTY TOWN ROAD? WELL, LIABILITY, I'M NOT IN THE TERMS OF, OF LEGAL NECESSARILY, BUT IN REFERENCE TO KAREN'S QUESTION ON HAVE WE HAD, UH, UH, LAWSUITS ASSOCIATED WITH ACCIDENTS, UH, ON THE ROADS? ACCIDENTS ON THE ROADS, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY HAPPEN.
AND OFTEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS IS THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE.
CAN YOU ME, ANY SPECIFICS OF THAT? WELL, WELL SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE LIKE FOR IN THE WINTER, THAT WOULD BE ONE PRIMARY EXAMPLE.
WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD? HAS IT BEEN ASSAULTED? IS IT ICY? WELL, I, I DO, WELL THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS HAVING PRACTICED LAW HERE FOR 42 YEARS AND HAVING DONE DEFENSE AND, AND PLAINTIFF'S WORK, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A LAWSUIT FILED WITH A TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS BEEN NAMED AS A DEFENDANT, UH, AND HAD BEEN, UH, ADJUDICATED TO BE LIABLE IN FULL, IN PART FOR A PERSONAL INJURY CAUSED TO A MOTORIST ON A TOWN GROVE.
NO, JIM, I'M I'M NOT TALKING LIABILITY.
NO, NO, I'M, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU THAT CLARIFICATION.
I WANNA I WANNA GIVE YOU THE CLARIFICATION.
WELL, IT'S NOT, LET ME PLEASE FINISH.
THE LIABILITY IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH NECESSARILY LEGAL MATTERS.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BURDEN OF THE TAXPAYERS TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT, THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS.
THIS IS TO LOWER THE BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYER BY GETTING INTO, PLEASE, LEMME FINISH GETTING INTO A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, THEREBY LOWERING THE BURDEN THAT WE HAVE RELATIVE TO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, ALRIGHT, LOWER LOWERING THE EXPENSE BURDEN IS ONE THING.
I SUPPOSE LIABILITY TO A LAWYER MEANS ANOTHER THING.
BUT LET, LET'S MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER STUFF.
UH, ON JULY THE SECOND, YOU PASSED OUT A SLINGER, UH, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS ASKING THEM TO COME TO A BOARD MEETING ON THE SIXTH.
NOW YOU, YOU CITE A STUDY, AND I GUESS IT'S THE GREATER BUFFALO NIAGARA REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION STUDY THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN IN 2018.
NOTED IN THAT, AND YOU INDICATE IN YOUR SLINGER THAT, UH, HAMBURG HAS 75 LANE MILES OF POORLY RATED ROADS OUT OF 317.
WHAT IS THE STATUS TODAY BASED UPON
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THE, THE LANES THAT, UH, MILEAGE ON POOR ROADS THAT YOU REPAIRED IN THE SUMMER OF 18, THE SUMMER OF 2019, AND TODAY, WHAT IS RATED POOR TODAY AS OPPOSED TO 2018? UH, WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS RELATIVE TO THE ROADS THAT ARE RATED OF POOR MM-HMMHOWEVER, WE'VE GOT ROADS THAT ARE ON THE CUSP OR HAVE ALREADY MOVED FROM FAIR TO POOR.
AS I'VE INDICATED BEFORE, AT OUR PRESENT RATE, THE SNOWBALL'S GETTING BIGGER, NOT GETTING SMALLER.
SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ON THE CUSP, IS, AS YOU NOTE, JIM, THE GRAPH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THESE ROADS THAT ARE FAIR, KEEP THEM FAIR LONGER, BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET PAST THAT 75%, UH, IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
WELL, YOU CITED THAT STUDY INDICATING THAT 75 LANE MILES WERE RATED POORLY, AND THAT'S THE 2018 STUDY.
NOW, IN ON PAGE SEVEN OF YOUR REPORT TODAY FROM GREATER BUFFALO NIAGARA, UH, THEY, YOU REFERENCED THEIR 18 STUDY AND IT SAYS 60.5 LANE MILES ARE RATED FOUR AS OPPOSED TO 75.
I GUESS, WHICH WOULD IT BE FROM THAT PARTICULAR INSTITUTION GOING BACK TO 2018? UH, THE PARTICULARS, WELL, I, I TELL YOU WHAT, I WILL GO THROUGH A LIST OF POOR ROADS FROM 2018 AND I WILL EXTRACT FROM IT THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE PAVED SINCE THEN.
UHHUH
WELL, BUT LET ME BREAK DOWN WHAT YOUR, THE QUESTION, UH, IT'S ALL RIGHT.
THE STUDY YOU REFERENCED IN YOUR SLINGER SAYS 75 MILES AND TWO OH, UH, IN 2018 OUT OF THREE 17 ARE RATED FOUR.
THAT'S THE GREATER BUFFALO NIAGARA REGIONAL STUDY.
IN YOUR PRESENT REPORT, IT SAYS IT'S 60.5 LANE MILES, ABOUT 15 LANE MILES LESS.
MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS, WHICH OF THOSE TWO CONCLUSIONS IS ACCURATE AS OF 2018? DO YOU KNOW? AND I THINK THAT AS OF 2018, OR IS IT AS OF PRESENTLY? WELL, 2018 IS REFERENCED IN YOUR PAGE SEVEN ON TODAY'S REPORT, AND 2018 WAS REFERENCED IN YOUR JULY 2ND SLINGER.
SO IS IT 75 OR WAS IT 60? I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU KNOW? I'VE GOTTA DOUBLE CHECK.
WELL, AND THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT I CAME BACK TO.
WE'RE MISSING A HUNDRED LANE MILES HERE.
I GOT, I GOT, I GOT MORE TO, MORE TO, WE ARE MISSING A HUNDRED LANE MILES.
UH, YOU INDICATE THAT IN 2019, UM, THAT THE TOWN DEPARTMENT VIA CONTRACTING AND INTERNALLY WITH OUR OWN TROOPS PAVED 20 LANE MILES OF POORLY RATED ROADS AT THE END OF 2019, WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE RATIO THEN OF POOR ROADS TO FAIR, GOOD, AND EXCELLENT ROADS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA PAVE OR YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PAVING, IS IT 10 OR 15 LANE MILES? I SAID BETWEEN 10 AND 15.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH.
WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, GLENDALE, UH, GLENDALE ON THE GRAPH SHOWS THAT IT IS A POORLY RATED ROAD.
UHHUH
I KNOW, UH, THAT'S ONE ROAD OUT OF I THINK 10 MM-HMM
THAT'S BASED UPON THE 2018 STUDY.
AND THIS IS WHEN I, I I SAY THAT THE STUDY USED AS A, AS A REFERENCE, AS A GUIDEPOST, WE PHYSICALLY GO OUT AND LOOK AT GLENDALE.
WE PHYSICALLY GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING ROADS.
THE OTHER ROADS, UM, HAVE DETERIORATED THE PAST TWO YEARS TO CLEARLY BEING, UH, IN POOR CONDITIONER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PAY ALL THOSE.
NOTHING REMAINS STATIC AS YOU PAY SOME, SOME DETERIORATE.
BUT THE 2018 STUDY IS NOW COMING UP TO THREE YEARS OF AGE.
SO YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE AMOUNT OF, WHAT THE RATIO OF POOR ROADS AT THE END OF 2019 WAS IN COMPARED TO THOSE THAT ARE RATED FAIR, GOOD, AND EXCELLENT.
YOU WANNA LOOK IT UP AND GET BACK TO US.
WHERE DOES IT STAND AT? UH, UH, LABOR DAY
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2020.IF YOU DID AN ADDITIONAL 10 ON TOP OF THE 20 YOU DID IN 19, WHERE DOES IT ALL STAND TODAY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S PERCENTAGE IS POOR AS OPPOSED TO THAT? WHICH IS FAIR, GOOD, AND EXCELLENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UH, NOW YOU ALSO INDICATED IN YOUR REPORT THAT WE'RE AT A HISTORICALLY GREAT PERIOD IN TERMS OF THE COST OF ASPHALT.
I THINK YOU STATED, LET ME JUST GET THE NUMBER CORRECTLY.
UH, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT ASPHALT, INCLUDING THE HAULING COSTS $63 AND 90 CENTS.
SO BECAUSE OF THE EXTRAORDINARILY CHEAP PRICE, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO PAVE.
YOU SAID THAT IN ON PAGE NINE OF YOUR REPORT, THAT IF WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS PRICE BACK IN 2019, INSTEAD OF DOING 29 MILES, WE COULD HAVE DONE 24.
AN EXTRA 20% BECAUSE THE COST IS 20% LOWER TODAY THAN IT WAS IN 2019.
NOW, IF THE COST, UH, OF, UH, IS SO MUCH LESS, 20% LESS, WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO 50 TO 60% OF THE TOTAL LANE MILES IN 2020 THAT WE DID IN 2019? UM, IT'S NOT 50 TO 60.
WELL, IF WE DO 10 AS OPPOSED TO 20, THAT'S HALF.
WELL, ONE OF, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE INVESTED IN A BETTER QUALITY ASPHALT, UH, WITH THE POLYMER UHHUH AND ALSO THE VARIABLES OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ROAD DETERMINE THE THICKNESS.
SO THO THOSE ARE VARIABLES THAT, UH, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL WE GET INTO THE ROAD TO UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S THE AUDIBLE WE HAVE TO CALL.
NOW, UM, HAS THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS DONE ANY PAVING WORK TO TOWN FACILITIES SUCH AS THE NIKE BASE AND, YOU KNOW, PARTIAL PAVING, PATCHING, UH, THE B AND G PARKING LOT, UH, TOWN PARK.
HAVE YOU DONE ANY PAVING ON MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALLY OWNED ROADWAYS OR PARKING LOTS? I THINK WE'VE DONE SOME PATCHWORK, BUT, UH, WHERE WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN DONE? AND WHEN I, I THINK WE DID SOME ON THE NIKE BASE.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN? I, I THINK 18, POSSIBLY.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? WELL, I WANTED TO, I WANT TO SEE JUST HOW, UH, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENT THINGS HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS.
PEOPLE SAY THAT NOTHING'S BEEN DONE, BUT I'LL CHECK.
IT'S, IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN 2018 AND THEY'RE MISTAKEN.
WELL, JIM, THE OTHER DAY, YOU GUYS, UM, TALKED ABOUT PROPOSALS FOR PING THOSE TOWN PARKING LOTS, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
NO ONE CAME TO ME AND ASKED FOR THE HIGHWAY DEPART TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL TO DO THAT WORK.
UH, YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL? NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO PAT RYAN COPIED ME AND ASKED PAT RYAN TO NETWORK WITH YOU.
AND I SAID TO PAT RYAN, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET SOME PROPOSALS TOGETHER.
WHETHER HE DID OR NOT, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH HIM OR YOU, NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE'S BEEN NONE.
AND MATTER OF FACT, I, UH, TALKED TO PAT JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, HIS COMMENT, AND IT'S NOT INACCURATE IS YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TO DO IN THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU KNOW, MORE WORK TO DO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY MM-HMM
THAN OUR ABILITY TO MOVE INTO THE PARKING LOTS OF THE TOWN.
WELL YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION ON TOWN FACILITIES.
UH, IN 2019 IN DECEMBER, UH, YOU GAVE US A, A SLINGER THEN, UH, THAT TALKED ABOUT LANE MILES AND WHAT WAS RATED POORLY BACK THEN IT WAS 60 BASED ON THE GREATER BUFFALO STUDY AS OPPOSED TO 75, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN YOUR JULY 2ND SLAY.
SO IT ALL GOES TO THE QUESTION OF TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON JUST HOW MANY LANE MILES TODAY ARE REALLY, UH, RATED IN A POOR CONDITION AS OPPOSED TO THOSE WHICH ARE ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM.
UM, WELL, THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE, IN THE REPORT, UHHUH
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THAT LIST OF POORLY GRADE NODES IS WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IT'S CONFLICTING.THAT'S, IT KEEPS GOING BACK TO THAT.
IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE, AT LEAST TO MY MIND.
UH, BUT YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF I MAY.
UH,
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC IDEA.
UH, WITH REGARD TO, UH, DRAINAGE, WHICH IT IMPACTS, UH, THE USEFUL LIFE OF OUR TOWN ROADS, HOW MANY DRAINAGE PROJECTS HAS THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKEN? UH, I KNOW WE DID THE ONE ON PEARL STREET, 2025 FEET OF, UH, DOWN THERE IN 9 20 19.
HOW MANY OTHER DRAINAGE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS HAS THE DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKEN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS? DO YOU KNOW? WELL, AS A REGULAR, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS THE DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRAINAGE THAT WE MAINTAIN, UH, INCLUSIVE OF MAKING SURE THAT DITCHES ARE RUNNING FREELY, UH, THAT, UH, CULVERTS ARE CLEAR, RECEIVERS ARE CLEAR.
WE, WE DO THAT ON A, ON A DAILY, WEEKLY BASIS.
HOW ABOUT REPLACEMENTS? I KNOW I, I REMEMBER THE PEARL PROJECT ON PEARL STREET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ANY OTHER ONES THAT COME TO YOUR MIND? WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON THE, UH, THE LYNN OLYMPIC DRIVE PRESENTLY.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A SIZABLE ONE.
ANYTHING ELSE? BUT WE'RE IN THE, WE'RE IN THE, PRIMARILY THE MAINTENANCE BUSINESS.
WELL, THE MORE RECENT ONE WOULD BE LILYDALE, UM, THAT CAME UP THE OTHER DAY.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE DONE? HAVE YOU REPLACED ANY PIPE WITH LILY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WELL, THAT'S OFF THE, IT'S OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, UH, DARREN WAS MEETING WITH CAMMIE THE OTHER DAY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT HER RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE WORK.
SO OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, PEARL STREET PROJECT, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF REPLACING, UH, PIPE AT THE BOTTOM OF LIN.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S ON THE RADAR TO BE DONE, AND WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO LILYDALE.
UH, CANDY IS TALKING ABOUT JETTING OUT THE, UH, THE EXISTING PIPE.
UH, AND WHEN YOU'VE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT AN EASEMENT IS REQUIRED.
BUT ASIDE FROM THE PEARL STREET REPLACEMENT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER THAT YOU CAN THINK OF? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE MAINTAIN THE, UH, THE TRAINING ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF YOUR WELL, I, I, I WANNA KNOW ABOUT PERFORMANCE EFFICIENCY ALLOCATION OF WORK, BECAUSE THAT'S, THE PAST PRACTICE IS PROLOGUE TO WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IN A FEW MINUTES.
SO THAT'S ALL I, I'M NOT TRYING TO TRICK YOU.
I'M TRYING TO HAVE YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER IF WHAT, WHAT HAVE WE REPLACED OTHER THAN PEARL STREET? THAT'S ALL I CAN, I'LL GET BACK WITH DARREN TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WE'VE REPLACED.
NOW LET ME ASK, LET ME SWITCH TO ANOTHER AREA HERE.
UH, THE, THE BOND REQUEST CALCULATIONS ON PAGE 28 OF YOUR REPORT, MIKE PETRI ALLUDED TO THOSE, UM, THE ANNUAL BOND PAYMENT, IF INDEED WE WERE AMORTIZING THE, THE, THE BOND OVER A 15 YEAR TERM AT 0.76% IS $408,005.
SAM TARIN HAS INDICATED THAT THE PROJECTED 7.76% WAS NOT A FIRM OFFER FOR A SPECIFIC BOND PERIOD OF BONDED INDEBTEDNESS, BUT ONLY A RANGE OF, ONLY A, A BEST CASE SCENARIO OF WHAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE.
YOUR BOND PROJECTION IS TIED TO 0.76%.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, SAM INDICATES TO ME, AT LEAST IF WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK AT AROUND 1.5%, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT BOND PAYMENT THEN? UH, SAM IS NOW SAYING IT'S GONNA GO TO 1.5.
IT MIGHT GO TO AS HIGH AS 1.5%.
ONCE WE GET INTO THE BOND MARKET, ONCE WE'RE OUT THERE GETTING PRICES AND QUOTES, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST, UH, THAT I'VE HEARD.
WELL, AND I JUST HEARD ABOUT THE OTHER DAY TOO, BUT I I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT TO YOU.
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THAT WILL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY AFFECT THE NUMBER.NOW, LET ME ALSO ASK YOU THIS.
UH, THE TOWN APPROPRIATED $674,459 FOR PAVING.
IN THE 2020 BUDGET, YOU PROPOSED TO SUBTRACT 4.8 408,000 IN CHANGE FROM THAT AMOUNT, YOUR PAVING BUDGET THEN FROM THE TOWN WOULD BE $266,454.
NOW, ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO US THAT THAT NUMBER REMAINS CONSTANT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE? 15 YEARS, THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS? UH, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSAL THERE? WELL, THE ESTIMATE WAS BASED UPON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.
FOR HOW LONG IS THAT NUMBER STATIC? WELL, SAM MIGHT HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW LONG THAT WOULD BE STATIC, BUT WE HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT THE, THE NUMBERS ARE.
NO, NO, THE, THE BOND PAYMENT WOULD BE STATIC OVER A 15 YEAR TERM.
IT'S LIKE A MORTGAGE, BUT THE POINT IS THE TOWN PAVING BUDGET IS 266,000 FOR 2021 BASED UPON THE BOND ALLOCATION.
SO HOW GOOD IS THAT $266,454 FIGURE FOR HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT GONNA BE LOCKED IN, IN YOUR ESTIMATION? WELL, THE ALLOCATION TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT IS, IS FROM THE BOARD.
HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WOULD REMAIN CONSTANT? WELL, WE ANTICIPATED IT AS A CONSTANT NUMBER THROUGH 15 YEARS.
IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO ALLOCATE MORE OR LESS, THAT WOULD AFFECT IT.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I MEAN, THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO MAKE THE REQUEST.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD BE CONTENT WITH THIS NUMBER FOR THE LIFE OF THE LOAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US? THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE'VE COME UP WITH.
ULTIMATELY, JIM, THE DECISION ON THE ALLOCATION IS UP TO THE BOARD.
I, I'M WELL AWARE OF ALL THAT.
UH, LET ME, LET ME SAY TO YOU THIS, UH, YOUR PROJECTIONS ALSO, MIKE MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU GET A 40, 45% REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL BUDGETARY AMOUNT.
UH, IN 2020, I THINK YOU GOT 1,142,000 SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE.
THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET GOES TO 734,000 404 7, UH, GIVEN THE BACKOUT OF THE BOND PAYMENT.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE INDICATES THAT IN ADDITION TO VLT REVENUE DROP OF 20%, WE MAY ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO THE BUDGETS NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT A 20% REDUCTION IN CHIPS, 20% REDUCTION IN PAID NEW YORK, 20% IN ERW.
AND THE HUD ALLOCATION FROM CONGRESS IS BOTTLED UP AS IT ALWAYS IS.
AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THERE.
SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS IF WE LOCKED OURSELVES INTO A MORTGAGE PAYMENT THAT'S $408,000 A YEAR? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? WELL, FUNDAMENTALLY, WE'RE TALKING PERCENTAGE REDUCTIONS AS A POTENTIAL UHHUH
WHEN WE DON'T ADDRESS THE ROADS, THE COST GOES ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO 10 TIMES THAT I'VE HEARD ACTUALLY 25 TIMES THAT UHHUH
SO SPENDING THE MONEY NOW SO THAT WE ARE THEN SPENDING MONEY ON MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS AS OPPOSED TO RECONSTRUCTION, AS I ALLUDED TO BEING A MILLION DOLLARS PER MILE APPROXIMATELY.
UH, WE, KAREN TOUCHED ON THIS, THE CORNELL STUDY DIFFERS FROM THE GREATER BUFFALO STUDY, DIFFERENT METRICS, PERHAPS DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES FOR COMPUTATIONS AND ALL AND SUCH.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, UH, CORNELL SAYS THAT AS OF 20 18, 11 0.3% OF THE 317 LANE MILES ARE POOR.
THEN I ASSUME, ROUGHLY SPEAKING, ARE FAIR, GOOD, OR EXCELLENT.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE, DO YOU KNOW OF, OF POORLY RATED COUNTY ROADS WITHIN THE TOWN OR STATE HIGHWAYS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S
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INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT THE, THE SAME GROUP, UH, THAT DID THE ASSESSMENT FOR HAMBURG IS THE SAME GROUP THAT DOES THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE COUNTY.OF WHICH, UH, THE COUNTY HAS, I THINK APPROXIMATELY 1200 MILES, UH, STATISTICALLY THEIR ROADS ARE LANE MILES.
WITHIN HAMBURG, YOU MEAN? NO, NO, THE COUNTY.
HOW MANY LANE MILES DOES THE COUNTY HAVE IN HAMBURG, DO YOU KNOW? UM, THAT IS IN THE STUDY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
GET, BUT STATISTICALLY MM-HMM
COUNTY ROADS, IT'S SURPRISING COUNTY ROADS STATISTICALLY OVERALL ARE RATED BETTER THAN THE TOWN ROADS.
IT'S, IT, MOST, MOST FOLKS WOULD NOT, UH, THINK THAT WELL, THAT THE COUNTY ROADS ARE, ARE WORSE.
BUT OVERALL, IT'S THE TOWN THAT HAS WORSE ROADS.
THAT WAS ALWAYS MY ASSUMPTION.
LET, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNELL PERCENTAGE OF 11.3, UH, RATED POORLY OR, AND THEN 88 OR 89 RATED FAIR AND ABOVE, HOW DOES THAT STACK UP WITH THE PRIMARY SUBURBS, THE FIRST STRING SUBURBS, WEST SENECA AMHERST, TWANDA? HOW DOES THAT STAND UP? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I DON'T, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, AND WHAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION? WELL, HOW MANY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TWANDA OR IN CHITAH, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TOWN ROADS ARE RATED POORLY? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? UH, I, I DON'T, BUT I WANT TO BACK UP, JIM.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHITE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR THE TOWN FOR AT LEAST THE PAST, UH, UHHUH HAS BEEN THE POORLY RATED ROADS AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN REACTIONARY UHHUH IN REDOING ROADS.
THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT TO GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT ANOTHER TOWN DOES IS IRRELEVANT.
'CAUSE FRANKLY, IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT I'M PROPOSING MM-HMM
THEIR TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO FLIP THE BILL.
UH, THIS IS A PLAN THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE UHHUH TO PUT US IN THE MAINTENANCE OF ROAD PROGRAM.
THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT WE GOT TO SWITCH TO.
IT IS THE COST PRUDENT THING FOR US TO DO.
I, NO, LISTEN, I, I READ YOUR REPORT.
I GET THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THEME.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW WE STACK UP PERCENTAGE WISE TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, FIRST STRING SUBURBS THAT I JUST MENTIONED? THAT'S ALL.
I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S VALID, JIM, BECAUSE, UH, IT'S HAMMERED RESIDENTS THAT PAY THEIR TAXES.
UH, THAT IS OUR DUTY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO REDUCE THAT BURDEN OR MANAGE APPROPRIATELY.
WELL, I, I, I'M WELL AWARE OF OUR, OUR OBLIGATIONS TO THE HAMMERED TAXPAYERS.
UH, NOW, WELL, JIM'S SLIPPING, I'LL JUST ASK A QUICK GO AHEAD.
UM, ON PAGE SEVEN AND PAGE EIGHT, UH, AND KAREN ALLUDED TO THIS, UH, AS WELL AS JIM, THIS THE GB NRTC STUDY THAT HAS 60.5 LANE MILES, POOR, 62.8 LANE MILES FAIR, 59.8 LANE MILES.
THAT TOTALS 217.3 MILES, WHICH IS A HUNDRED SHORT OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, IT CITES THE, UH, CORNELL LOCAL ROAD PROGRAM STUDY THAT HAS 38.5 LANE MILES POOR, UH, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG, UH, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO STUDIES.
ONE'S AT 11, ONE'S AT NINE OR 19%, 8.7 0.8 FAIR.
THAT TOTAL LANE MILES IS 326.1.
SO BETWEEN THE TWO STUDIES, YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED LANE MILES, UH, DIFFERENCE.
AND NEITHER OF THEM ARE AT THE 317.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THE DISCREPANCY AND WHERE THOSE, UH, I, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT BREAK TO HOLD, TED.
ONE, ONE MORE THING, AND THEN I'LL TURN, I'LL TURN OFF AND TURN TO SOME OTHER FOLKS IF THEY WANT TO ASK SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, IN YOUR DECEMBER 19TH SLINGER, UH, YOU, YOU ALLEGE, AND I'M QUOTING YOU, THE
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ANALYSIS OF TOWN ROADS LEADS YOU TO, COMP LEADS ME TO COMPETENTLY DETERMINE THAT MOST OF THE ROADS THAT WERE PAVED HAD A SOLID FOUNDATION.AS SUCH, YOU ONLY HAD TO MILL TO A DEPTH OF ONE INCH TO TWO INCHES BEFORE CREWS PUT ON A 1.5 INCH FILL TOP COAT.
IS THAT STILL WHAT YOU FOUND OUT TO BE TRUE IN 2019 AND IN 2020 THAT THE FOUNDATIONS WERE, WERE FOR THE PREDOMINANTLY SOLID AND THAT YOU ONLY HAD TO MILL AN INCH OR TWO? UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT, YES.
UH, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO ADD IN SOME INSTANCES MORE ASPHALT.
WHAT WE FUNDAMENTALLY WANT TO DO IS EITHER, UH, REINTRODUCE THE CROWN OF THE ROAD, SO ON ONE SIDE IT'LL BE MM-HMM
ONE AND A HALF IS THE MINIMUM DEPTH THAT YOU CAN GO WITH TYPE SIX F.
IT'S BASED UPON THE AGGREGATE.
SO IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST THREE TIMES THE AGGREGATE SIX F AGGREGATE IS A HALF INCH THICK UHHUH ON THE, ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
UM, MANY TIMES WE'RE GOING TO FIBER MORTGAGES.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, UH, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, IS IT PHYSICAL INSPECTION OR DO YOU BRING IN EXPERTS? HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, UH, UH, LOOKING AT A TOWN ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, HOW SOLID OR SECURE THE FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH THE PAVEMENT IS? WHAT DO YOU DO TO DETERMINE THAT? WELL, WE DO A VISUAL INSPECTION, AND WHEN WE MILL, UH, THAT REVEALS ITSELF MM-HMM
AND AT THAT POINT, UH, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITION OF THAT SUBSTRATE DETERMINES HOW MUCH PRE-WORK WE HAVE TO DO.
IN SOME INSTANCES WE HAVE TO DO QUITE A BIT, WHICH IS, UH, FILLING IN, UH, GAPS.
UH, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SURFACE IS CLEAR.
BUT, UH, WE DO A LOT OF PREP WORK AND THAT'S STANDARD FOR ANY PING.
DOES THE CONTRACTOR MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON THE JOB, OR DO THEY CALL YOU TO HAVE YOU MAKE IT, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR ADVICE? OR HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? NOT AS FAR AS, UH, THE, THE FOUNDATIONS AND THE DEGREE OF BILLING AND BLACKTOP YOU'LL HAVE TO USE OH.
IN CONSULTATION WITH, UH, THE MILLING COMPANY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO ASK RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A POINT ON PAGE, UH, NINE ON THE TOP, UH, 2.1 CURRENT COST OF ASPHALT.
YOU REFERENCED THE, THE THREE YEAR LOW, WHICH IS ACCURATE.
UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST, AT LEAST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, REALIZED THAT IN THE LAST 12 YEARS, THE PRICE OF ASPHALT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN LOWER ON FOUR, FOUR OCCASIONS.
UM, NOW THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THE COST OF ASPHALT, UH, TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA, BUT OIL IS TO DRIVE THE, THE PRIMARY FACTOR CRUDE OIL PRICE.
UM, AND THAT, AGAIN, IN OUR PURPOSES, WHICH WE'RE KIND OF THINKING LONG TERM, UM, IS AGAIN, YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT IT IS PREDICTED MORE OR LESS THAT OIL PRICES WILL NOT BE RISING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE MO THE CHANGE TO ELECTRIC, UM, UH, CONSERVATION.
SO ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE YOU FACTORING THAT IN AS A CURRENT, YOU KNOW, DATA POINT, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THE BIG CONTEXT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A BIG FACTOR TO, TO CONSIDER.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR, UH, ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANNA RAISE? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD DO? UH, TED DO YOU WANNA MAKE ANY CLOSING ARGUMENTS OR SUMMARY OR WHAT? IT'S, IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT.
I MEAN PRESENTATION, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, ENLIGHTEN THE BOARD SO THAT WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS WHAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE IN THE TOWN.
IT IS, AS I'VE REFERENCED, IT'S THE, THE WHITE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN PUT FORTH RELATIVE TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, IF WE CAN GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS, IT SAVES US ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THAT IS COST, THAT IS TAX DOLLARS.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, AS I'VE ALLUDED TO BEFORE, A VEHICLE.
YOU DO THE OIL CHANGES AND YOU DO THAT IN ANTICIPATION THAT IT'S GONNA SAVE THE ENGINE.
YOU FIX THE ROOF LEAK IN ANTICIPATION, YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE ROOF.
WE'VE NOT BEEN IN THE MAINTENANCE BUSINESS.
WE HAVE BEEN IN THE REPLACE THE ENGINE BUSINESS.
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IF WE CAN GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE BUSINESS VIA A SIZABLE BOND AS, UH, I'VE PROPOSED, WE ULTIMATELY WILL BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS IN ORDER TO, UH, MAINTAIN REDUCE COST OVERALL.AND WE CAN DO THAT FROM THIS POINT FORTH BY SWITCHING THE PITCH TO LEVEL SET TO GET THE POOR ROADS UP TO SNUFF AND FOCUS ON THE MAINTENANCE.
AND ULTIMATELY IT SAVES US AND THE TAXPAYER MONEY.
I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UH, GOING THROUGH THIS IN SHORT ORDER.
UM, IT WAS A, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK, UH, AS A WHOLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE STUDIES THEMSELVES.
UH, IT WAS HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN ORDER TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S THE ONLY DOCUMENT WE HAVE TO GO BY.
UH, I'LL GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS, UH, UH, RELATIVE TO THE QUESTIONS POSED TODAY.
AND, UH, IT'S MY HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, I DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF HAMBURG.
ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANYTHING TO SAY? YES, MA'AM.
AND LIKE I SAID, AND IT JUST KEEPS COMING BACK TO THIS FOR ME IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THE WHITE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, JUST HAVING, THIS IS ALL WE HAVE TO GO OFF OF.
UM, I WANNA KNOW THE SIZE OF THE ELEPHANT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, IF IT IS AN ELEPHANT AS FAR AS HOW BAD OUR ROADS ARE.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT STUDIES, BUT HAVING SOME SORT OF GENERAL IDEA WHERE THEY FALL WITH THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE MISSING WILL BE HELPFUL IN ASSESSING WHAT THE NEED IS FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SCOPE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PROCEED.
SO JUST, AND I THINK I MADE CLEAR THE COUPLE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
I DID, I DID WANT TO ASK, UM, THE BONDING COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT OF, I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT TWO OR $300,000, RIGHT? UH, WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? WHAT, UH, WHAT'S THE GENESIS? IT CAME, IT CAME FROM NOWHERE.
UH, WE WERE, UH, WE WERE WAITING FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR AT LEAST SOME TIPPING OF INFORMATION FROM YOU TO SAM TO US OR TO ME TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, NOTHING WAS FORTHCOMING FROM AUGUST.
IT WAS MORE OF A PLACEHOLDER THEN.
THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH BASED ON THAT.
WELL, IT WAS A PLACEHOLDER, BUT IT WAS ALSO OUR ESTIMATION OF WHAT WE WOULD BORROW ON TOP OF CONTINUING YOUR $1.142 MILLION ALLOTMENT.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE APPROACH GIVEN THE VACUUM OF INFORMATION.
UM, CLEARLY TWO TO $300,000, UH, DOESN'T SOLVE OUR ISSUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
THAT THAT NUMBER IN AND OF ITSELF WOULD ONLY TAKE CARE OF 1, 2, 3 MILES OF ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THAT.
I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE HAD BEEN CONVERSATION, JIM, I KNOW YOU HAD CONVERSATION WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DICK TRIP RELATIVE TO EWOOD.
UM, I DID YOU MAKE, UH, ASSURANCES THAT WE WOULD BE DOING THAT ROAD? NO, NO, NO.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO DICK CALLED ME ON, UH, LET'S SEE, CALLED ME ON THURSDAY.
I OWE HIM A PHONE CALL BACK, BUT I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM.
HE AND, UH, HE AND A NEIGHBOR, UH, OVER THERE IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER PRIVATE ROAD.
WHAT ROAD IS THAT? ANOTHER, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF IT OFFHAND.
THERE'S, THERE WERE TWO, UH, A COUPLE GENTLEMEN CAME TO SEE ME.
TAYLOR WOODS AND, AND DICK'S ROAD, PRIVATE ROADS.
AND I TALKED WITH ENGINEERING AND GAVE EACH OF THOSE FOLKS A SUMMARY OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING A PRIVATE ROAD TO A TOWN ROAD.
NOW WITH MY FRIEND DICK TRIP, WE, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE ROAD OVER THERE,
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MUCH TOO NARROW.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, BUT, WELL THAT'S ACCORDING TO DICK AND ME AND WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE YEARS BACK, THERE HAS TO BE, WE UNDERSTAND THERE HAS TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK DONE.
SO THERE'S NO PROMISE TO DICK OTHER THAN I WOULD DO THE BEST I CAN TO HELP HIM.
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ALRIGHT.FROM THAT, FROM A BONDING STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, DICK SMITH AND HIS NEIGHBORS CERTAINLY, UH, MAKE VERY, UH, SALIENT, UH, ARGUMENTS AS TO, UM, THE TOWN TAKING OVER THEIR ROAD.
SO,
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ON TO DO WORK.
BUT I, I JUST WASN'T SURE WHERE THE TWO TO 300,000 CAME FROM.
THAT'S THAT, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR, UH, THAT'S OUR UH, ANSWER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.