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UH, JENNIFER, WE LEFT OFF WITH A NO PARKING SIGNS ON WOODLAWN AVENUE, BETH FARRELL'S MOTION, UH, AND, UH, KAREN HOS SECONDED THAT MOTION.
I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, UM, WHEREAS NICK, UH, NICOLE BONAR HAS REQUESTED THE REMOVAL OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON HER PROPERTY, WHEREAS THE EASEMENT REQUIRES TOWN BOARD APPROVAL FOR ANY CHANGES.
BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE MAKING ANY DECISION ON THIS, THE TOWN BOARD IS REFERRING THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HE TOWN BOARD REFERS THIS MATTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND I THE QUESTION.
THANK YOU, UH, KAREN, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE TERMINATION AND REHIRING OF PERSONNEL OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWS.
SECOND, UH, BY MS. FARROW MOTIONS ON KAREN POLK.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION IS CARRIED.
YOU RESOLVED THE TOM BOARD APPROVES THE TERMINATION AND HIRING OF THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT, UH, AND THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THIS MOTION.
UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND, MR. PETRI ON THE QUESTION.
UH, MR. CON, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLANT PLAN FOR THE PLEASANT VIEW, A STATE SUBDIVISION, WHEREAS TWO FIRE HYDRANTS ARE TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION TO PROVIDE PROPER FIRE PROTECTION FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEREAS ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF INSTALLATION OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS, IT IS NECESSARY THAT THE TOWN AGREE TO SUCH INSTALLATION AS THE TOWN IS CHARGED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF FIRE HYDRANTS UNDER THE DIRECT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
AND WHEREAS THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN HYDRANT DISTRICT AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE PAYING ASSOCIATED CHARGES TO SUCH DISTRICT AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL TOWN AND COUNTY TAX BILL, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDERS THAT THE INSTALLATION OF THE ADDITIONAL TWO HYDRANTS TO SERVE THE PLEASANT VIEW ESTATE SUBDIVISION WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE HEALTH, HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, AND IS THEREFORE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
TWO, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION WILL RESULT IN INCREASED REVENUE TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, INCLUDING REVENUE FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
AS SUCH, THE COST OF THE TOWN, OR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS WILL BE OFFSET BY THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE GENERATED BY THE SUBDIVISION.
THE TOWN BOARD AGREES THAT THE COST OF THE HYDRANT MAINTENANCE FEES FOR THE ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS BEING INSTALLED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PAID BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THROUGH REVENUES GENERATED BY THE TOWN HYDRANT DISTRICT FOUR.
THIS RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.
SO BE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TWO CERTIFIED COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION BE PROVIDED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OR TRANSMITTAL TO THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
UH, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DEL DEVELOPMENT LLC TO RESOLVE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 54 86 AND 54 72 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS 55 0 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE LOCAL RETAIL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT CONSISTING OF 182 UNITS.
AND WHEREAS THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND MERIT IN THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMRICK TOWN BOARD HEREBY REFERS THIS ZONING REQUEST TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE HAMRICK TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING BOARD TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT RESOLUTION? SECOND, MR. CONLEY, THANK
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YOU ON THE QUESTION ALL.WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMMERED RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM GLEN WETZEL TO RESOLVE 16.4 ACRES OF VACANT LAND, A PORTION OF SBLS NUMBER 1 60 19 2 1, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIGTREE ROAD, EAST OF 42 55 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT TO R THREE MULTIPLE FAMILY DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A MULTIPLE FAMILY PROJECT THAT INCLUDES 104 ATTACHED UNITS.
AND WHEREAS THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN BOARD ENTERTAIN THIS REZONING REQUEST WITH CONCERNS, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HEREBY REFERS THIS REZONING REQUEST TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, BE IT FURTHER RESULT, THE HANFORD JOB BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORD WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? ONE SECOND.
WHEREAS, WHEREAS THERE ARE TWO LARGE STORM SEWER PIPES ALONG THE LAKESHORE IN THE TWIN WILLOW RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE 58 INCH PIPE IS CURRENTLY BLOCKED BY SIGNIFICANT DEBRIS CAUSING ISSUES AND DRAIN AND DAMAGE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN HAS COMMITTED TO ADDING THE RESIDENTS AND SET ASIDE FUNDING OF WORK AT TWIN WILLOWS, AND WHEREAS THE TOWN ENGINEER HAS CONTACTED LOCAL CONTRACTORS TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE, AND ONLY ONE CONTRACTOR PROVIDED A QUOTE FOR THE PRICE AND A COMMITMENT TO COMPLETE THE WORK THIS YEAR.
AND WHEREAS THE COST OF THE WORK IS BELOW THAT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A COMPETITIVE BIDDING PURSUANT TO THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT PECO CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION IS AUTHORIZED TO COMPLETE THE WORK AT TWIN WILLOWS AS OUTLINED IN THEIR OCTOBER 1ST, 2020 PROPOSAL AT A COST OF $24,230 FUNDS AVAILABLE IN, UH, THE, THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T IDENTIFY THE ACCOUNT NUMBER.
SEAN, SO WHAT, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD, I'LL, I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE IT, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE WILL COMMUNICATE TO YOU THE ACCOUNT NUMBER, UH, AS SOON AS WE IDENTIFY IT.
ON THE QUESTION, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE MERITS OF THE RESOLUTION, ANYONE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR THE FUNDING OF, OF THIS WORK? WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IT INTO THE BOND ISSUE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS OTHER THAN THIS.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING IT OUT OF OUR GENERAL ACCOUNT, WHICH WOULD MAYBE BE THE DRAINAGE CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO I DON'T, I'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY WITH SAM WHAT ACCOUNT WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE RESOLUTION TO BE APPROVED ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT WITH AN, UH, AN IDENTIFICATION OF THE ACCOUNT NUMBER, WHICH WE CAN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU TOMORROW.
DOES THAT, UH, DRAINAGE CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT EXIST PRESENTLY? WE'VE GOT SOME MONEY IN A, IN A CURRENT, A DRAINAGE ACCOUNT IN THE A FUND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE MONEY SAYS WE'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO UNDERTAKE THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS ALL TED THIS IS ONLY PART OF IT TOO, BY THE WAY.
THE WHOLE OVERALL RECOMMENDATION IS CAMMY CAN TELL YOU WAS SOMETHING CAMMY'S, WHAT, 68,000 SOME ODD DOLLARS, RIGHT? YEP.
WE CAN'T GET THE WALL OF WORK DONE THIS SEASON BECAUSE WE'RE TOO LATE IN THE GAME.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS CLEAN OUT THESE MASSIVE 54 INCH PIPES.
YOU'VE SEEN THEM THAT, UH, EMIT TO ON THE SHORE, UH, BEHIND THE TWO, TWO OF THE, UH, THREE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN BADLY DAMAGED.
SO THIS COMPANY IS GOING TO DO REPAIR WORK TO THESE 54 INCH PIPES, AND THEY'VE GOTTA GET UNDERGROUND AND INTO THEM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY INTO THEM WITH THE APPROPRIATE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT GETS RATHER DANGEROUS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORS.
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UH, THE THINGS THAT COME THROUGH THOSE PIPES ARE JUST AMAZING.I MEAN, THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO, TO HANDLE SMALL TVS, COMPUTERS, AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
SO ANYWAY, CAMMI, IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANY MORE ON THAT, ON THE SPECIFICS FOR THIS FALLS PROJECT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
WELL, THE, THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROJECT IS REMOVED, UH, WHAT IS ABOUT 30 FEET UP THE 58 INCH PIPE.
THERE IS A FULL BLOCKAGE TO THE PIPE.
SO THIS IS NOT MINOR DEBRIS AT THE BOTTOM.
IT IS FROM TOP TWO BOTTOM COMPLETELY CLOGGED.
ABSOLUTELY NO DRAINAGE IS COMING THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS ALSO CAUSING WHEN IN, IN REVERSE, WHEN THE LAKE WATER COMES UP, THE LAKE WATER IS STRIKING THIS BLOCKAGE AND COMING UP OUT OF THE MM-HMM
NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES THROUGH THE TOP OF THE PIPE.
SO THE IMMEDIATE NEED IS TO GET THAT PIPE FLOWING AGAIN.
AND, UH, YES, IT'S A, IT IS A DANGEROUS AND IT'S A VERY SAFETY REQUIRED CONFINED SPACE ENTRY INTO THE PIPE.
UM, AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR SUGGESTED A CAGE, UH, A REBAR CAGE ON THE FRONT OF THE PIPE SO THAT MATERIAL FROM THE BEACH IS NOT WASHING BACK UP AT LEAST LARGE MATERIAL.
WILL NOT WASH BACK UP AFTER WE CLEAN THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR AFTER THEY'VE CLEANED IT UP.
SO I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT IT, IT IS KIND OF CRITICAL TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED, CAMMY IS, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN I, THE PROPERTIES HAVE HAVE CAVED IN YES.
UH, DUE TO WHAT'S HAPPENED AND PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR SHORE WALL, THEIR, THEIR SEA WALLS AND THEIR BACKYARDS ARE COLLAPSING.
SO CLEARLY WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THE, THE CAUSE OF THAT IS THE STORM WATER DRAIN AND THE WHOLE, IT'S PROBABLY, IT COMES FROM, IT COMES FROM AMESVILLE OVER TO ROBERTSON UNDERNEATH LAKESHORE ROAD.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE JAMMED, WHO KNOWS HOW FAR UP THE LINE, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE REBAR CAGE IS THE REMEDY SO THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND THAT'S PART OF, THAT WILL BE COMPLETED PART OF THIS 24.
BUT SEE THE REBAR CAGE IS DESIGNED TO KEEP THE, THE, THE DEBRIS FROM THE LAKE AND STORM SEASONS FLUSHING THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE SCOOP, BUT I'LL, UH, UH, THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A SECOND.
JIM, CAN I, UH, ASK THAT? YEAH, SURE.
BE BE NOTIFIED OF WHAT, UH, ACCOUNT FUNDS ARE COMING FROM.
I'LL NOTIFY YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN DO IT.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY EMAIL IT OUT TOMORROW.
YEAH, WE'LL, HAPPY TO NOTIFY IT.
ANYTHING ELSE THERE, LADIES AND JENS ON THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NOW I'VE GOT TWO THAT I THINK ARE EMERGENCY, UH, RESOLUTIONS.
WE'VE HAD A GENERAL RULE WHICH COMPORTS WITH ROBERT RULE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER THAT IF THERE IS A GENUINE EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT CANNOT WAIT A DISPOSITION AT A SUBSEQUENT REGULAR MEETING.
UH, AND THE REAL DAMAGE CAN OCCUR IF WE DON'T, UH, UH, UNDERTAKE IT.
UH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THERE, I'VE GOT TWO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE JUST GOT THESE PROPOSALS IN HOT OFF THE PRESS FRIDAY.
OKAY, LEMME PASS THEM AROUND HERE.
THIS RESOLUTION DEALS WITH A DOLPHIN DRIVES SIDEWALKS.
YOU WANNA PASS THESE UP? OKAY, KAREN? YEAH.
DID THAT, DID I SKIP YOU, BEN? WE NEED, UM, WE NEED MORE.
I DID YOU GET IT? I GOT, ALRIGHT, LEMME SWITCH WITH HERE FOR JUST NOW.
YOU ALL SET? I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.
SO ANYWAY, UH, THIS RESOLUTION, UH, IS KIND OF CONSTITUTES AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE ALL THE EXPERTS, INCLUDING CAMMY, ARE TELLING ME THAT THE BEST TIME TO DO, UH, SIDEWALKS IS NOT THE FALL OF THE YEAR, BUT IF WE WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT.
OUR NEXT RIV MEETING IS NOT SET UNTIL THE 26TH OF OCTOBER.
NOW, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT CAME IN, UH, UNDER OUR PROJECTED BUDGET AND CAMMIE WAS SATISFIED NOT ONLY WITH THE PRICE, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE COMPANY AND ITS ABILITY TO GET THE WORK DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
SO, UH, I GAVE OUT ALL OF MY RESOLUTIONS.
IF I CAN SIT, STAND TO KAREN, READ, KAREN, READ IT.
YOU WANNA READ IT? YEAH, SURE.
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD PASSED A RESOLUTION ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2020 FOR THE TOWN ENGINEER TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS FROM QUALIFIED
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CONTRACTORS FOR THE SIDEWALK WORK AT DOLPHIN AND BEFORD DRIVE.AND WHEREAS THE TOWN SENT A REQUEST FOR QUOTES TO MULTIPLE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS AND RECEIVED SEVERAL RESPONSES.
AND WHEREAS ROMAN CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WAS ONE OF THE FIRMS AND PROVIDED THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE QUOTE, WHICH MEETS THE TOWN'S COMMITMENT TO COMPLETE THE WORK DURING 2020.
AND WHEREAS THE COST OF THE WORK IS BELOW THAT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PURSUANT TO THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAWS STATE IN NEW YORK, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT ROMAN CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION IS AUTHORIZED TO COMPLETE THE SIDEWALK WORK ON DOLPHIN AND BEFORD DRIVE AT THE UNIT PRICES PROVIDED AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED $7,200 FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 98.163 0.460.
I HAVE THE QUESTION ON THAT WITH ANYBODY, DO WE HAVE A DATE WHEN THEY WILL COMMIT TO FINISHING IF I SO WE DON'T, UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE A FINISHING DATE.
I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY COULD DO IT IMMEDIATELY ON AUTHORIZATION.
IF WE AUTHOR PASS THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF TALKING INTO WHEN THEY'RE GONNA START THE WORK? UH, THEY TOLD ME A WEEK OR LESS SO.
SO EITHER IF I, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY BY, UM, MONDAY I WOULD SAY THE, THE 12TH.
SO THEY, IT IS A THREE, FOUR DAY JOB YOU THINK? UH, NO.
TWO, ONE PREP AND ONE TO, ALRIGHT.
I'M JUST THINKING CLEAN UP SOMETIMES TAKES A LITTLE BIT EXTRA BECAUSE THEY WANT THE CONCRETE TO CURE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THEY REMOVED THEIR FORMS MM-HMM
AND THEN, BUT THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, GRASS AND YEAH.
SO IT, IT, I THINK IF WE GOT SIDEWALKS IN BUT WAS WAITING ON GRASS GROWTH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THIS COULD GET DONE BY MID-OCTOBER THEN? YES.
WELL THAT'S GREAT AT THIS PRICE.
I THINK FROM THE QUOTES THAT WE HAD, THIS IS ALMOST HALF.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO DO ONE SIDE WAS THE COST, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE AT THIS POINT WE WOULD WANNA DO BOTH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IF THEY DO A GOOD JOB, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN WELL, WE DID SAY TO 'EM NEXT YEAR, CANDY SAID THAT TO THE, UH, TO THE COMPANY.
SHE SAID, LISTEN, LOOK AT IF YOUR PRICE IS RIGHT AND THE WORK GOES WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE COMING DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT, THAT OTHER SIDE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME SPORT.
BUT, BUT AT LEAST THE COMPANY KNOWS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT A LEG IN THE DOOR, YOU KNOW.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NOW THE LAST ONE I GOT, I WANT GIVE I IF MADE ENOUGH COPIES, BUT ANYWAY, THERE YOU THANKS.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, BUT THAT'S A, ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, THIS ONE INVOLVES THE LONGSTANDING THIRSTING AVENUE DRAINAGE PROJECT.
AND THIS I THINK CONSTITUTES AN EMERGENCY, AND ONCE I READ IT, I'LL GIVE YOU THE RATIONAL BASIS FOR THAT ASSUMPTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD MADE THE COMMITMENT TO ASSIST THE RESIDENTS OF THURSTON AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN ENGINEER WAS AUTHORIZED TO REPAIR DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND SOLICIT COMPETITIVE BIDS FOR THE PROJECT.
AND WHEREAS THREE FIRMS PROVIDED BIDS WHICH WERE REVIEWED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER, AND WHEREAS HIGHLAND ACRES LANDSCAPING INC.
WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER AT A PRICE OF 29,300.
UH, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURGER AWARD, THE THURSTON AVENUE DRAINAGE PROJECT, TWO HIGHLAND ACRES LANDSCAPING IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,300 FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 98 16 30 0.4 60.
THAT'S THE MOTION TO PUT IT ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND, MR. CONLEY? THANK YOU.
NOW, IN THIS CONTEXT, IF WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE, THE ENGINEER SPECIFICATIONS AND TO, UH, AWARD A BID SPECS HAVE BEEN PREPARED AND THE RESOLUTION TO AWARD THE BID HAS BEEN APPROVED, THE, AGAIN, IF WE WAIT TILL THE 26TH OF OCTOBER BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME AND WE GET THE COMPANY SET UP, UH, AND WE GET A NOVEMBER STORM, UH, THEN THIS MAY NOT BE DONE, UH, PURSUANT TO THE SPECIFICATIONS.
AND WE HAVE KIND OF REPEATEDLY
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SAID TO THE THURSTON AVENUE PRESIDENTS THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS THIS PURSUANT TO THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATIONS THIS SEASON.SO THAT'S THE BASIS FOR SUGGESTING THAT IF WE DON'T ACT NOW, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION IN THIS RESOLUTION, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME ACCOUNT NUMBER.
I DON'T HAVE THE PREVIOUS ONE WITH ME.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT LISTED ON YOUR, IN THE ACTUAL BUDGET? I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE LISTED.
WELL, I CAN'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'D HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUDGET AND TAKE A LOOK.
I DON'T SEE ANY HS LISTED IN THE, I DON'T HONESTLY KNOW IT.
IT'S A, IT'S A DRAINAGE, IT'S A DRAINAGE ACCOUNT, WHICH IS A TOWN WIDE ACCOUNT, NOT A SPECIAL DISTRICT ACCOUNT.
AND, UH, I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A DB OR, OR A V ACCOUNT.
SO IS THE SIDEWALK BEING DONE UNDER A DRAIN ACCOUNT? NO, NO.
THE SIDEWALK HAS, THE SIDEWALK HAS SOME CONTINGENCY FUNDS THAT WE'VE MARKED FOR THAT GOING BACK SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO ANYWAY, MY OTHER, MY OTHER COMMENT I SAID PREVIOUSLY REGARDING THURSTON AND OLYMPIC IS THAT, UM, UH, THE DO DESIGN SPECS FOR AN ADDITIONAL DITCH, I DO THINK IT IS SUPERFLUOUS ALSO, UH, IT VERY LIKELY IS GOING TO PREVENT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PRIMARY DITCH IF ANYONE'S GONE DOWN THERE TO LOOK AT THE WORK WE'VE DONE.
UM, I WOULD URGE YOU, UH, THAT THERE'S NOT A NEED TO SPEND THIS $29,000 PLUS AND THAT WE TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THE PRIMARY DITCH THAT WE HAVE CLEARED OUT, PUT ANOTHER PIPE AND PUT A BERM IN, WILL IN FACT WORK.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA BETWEEN THE PRIMARY DITCH AND THIS PROPOSED SECONDARY DITCH, THE ONLY WATER IT'S GOING TO CATCH IS BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE LESS THAN FOUR FEET OF SURFACE AREA.
THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS FROM THE RUNOFF, UH, FROM WINDHAM.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT DITCH.
UH, THE ISSUE WITH THURSTON IS, UH, RESTS MORE WHOLLY WITH PIPE SIZES, UH, IN THE THURSTON AREA PROPER, NOT THIS DITCH.
THIS DITCH AS DESIGNED PRIMARY ONE, IT'S GONNA SOLVE THE ISSUE OF ANY RUNOFF FROM WIND.
HAS ANYONE GONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? I HAVE.
AND WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT? WELL, I, I MET WITH THE RESIDENTS THERE AND, UH, THE RESIDENTS WERE PRETTY ADAMANT BASED UPON THEIR PAST EXPERIENCE.
AND WE HAD, BUT THIS IS REALLY, IF I'M A POSITIVE STICKLER, THIS ISN'T JERMAINE.
'CAUSE YOU ADDRESSED THE LAST MEETING.
WE, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
WE'RE JUST AWARDING THE CONTRACT.
BUT I'LL, I'LL RESPECTFULLY ADDRESS YOU.
THE PEOPLE DOWN THERE SAID TO ME, LOOK, JIM, WE'RE CONVINCED THAT WHEN CAM, CAMMY GERALD CAME THROUGH AND GAVE US THE SECOND DITCH AND A HIGH BERM ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FORCE OF THE WATER IS.
IT'S OUR OPINION THAT HER PLAN IS SOLID AND WE WE'VE BEEN FOR IT ALL SUMMER LONG.
SO I HAD SAID TO THEM, WHAT I HAD SAID TO THEM EARLIER, SHE'S, OUR ENGINEER EXPERTS MAY DIFFER, PEOPLE MAY HAVE OTHER OPINIONS, BUT WE ADOPTED THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.
WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION TO DO IT.
WE AWARDED THE CONTRACT TO, UH, I'M SORRY, WE, WE, WE GOT BID SPECS.
WE DID, UH, ALL OF THE CONTRACTUAL SPECS.
WE'VE ENTERTAINED ALL THE OPPOSING ARGUMENTS AND BASED UPON THE EXPERTS AND THE RESIDENTS MAY BE THE BEST EXPERTS OF ALL.
THIS SECONDARY DITCH IS ALREADY APPROVED.
AND THIS JUST IS MONEY TO GET THE WORK DONE BEFORE THE SNOW COMES AND THE GROUND FREEZES.
WELL, ANY, I DON'T WANT ARGUE WITH IT.
I'M NOT ARGUING WITH, BUT I MEAN THIS IS REALLY NON GERMANE.
NO, I WANT, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO ARGUE WITH, WELL, I'M NOT ARGUING.
UH, I WANT TO STRESS THE FACT THAT A SECOND DITCH IS LIKELY GONNA PREVENT US FROM MAINTAINING EITHER DITCH.
I ALSO, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, TWO OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT BID ON THIS WORK CALLED ME LAST WEEK AND ASKED, WHY ARE YOU BUILDING A SECOND DITCH? AND I'M GONNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT I HAVE THREE ENGINEERS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WORK.
GHD CAMMIE'S PREDECESSOR AND ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.
ANYTHING ELSE? THE BOARD TO WAIT TO SEE IF IN FACT, THIS IS GONNA WORK.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
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AYE.OPPOSED? THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
NOW WE'VE GOT THE FINAL, UH, WHICH IS, DO YOU HAVE THAT
I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MINE HERE.
YEAH, I NEVER KEEP YOUR STUFF THERE.
KATHY, YOU GOTTA PIN TO MY SUIT.
UH, TEN FIVE TWENTY TOTAL OPERATING FUND DISBURSEMENTS $217,245 AND 33 CENTS.
THAT'S THE AUDIT AUDITED DISBURSEMENT FUND EXPENDITURE.
TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENT SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT IN THIS PERIOD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. FARROWS.
ON THE SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
NOW I GUESS WE TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ZERO WITH US.
SO, TAMMY, THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, UH, IN GETTING THESE THREE PROJECTS, UH, UNDERWAY DURING THE FALL SEASON BEFORE THE WEATHER TURNS ON US.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TELL US? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO REPORT.
UH, WALTER, NOTHING TO REPORT, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CHIEF, HOW'S HE FEELING? UH, HOW'S THE CHIEF FEELING? HE WAS HOLDING THAT FEELING WELL, COULDN'T TELL YOU.
ANYTHING TO REPORT? I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU.
UH, NOTHING DUE TO REPORT TONIGHT.
TED, ANY MORE? REPORT? REPORT? THANK YOU, SEAN.
I GUESS I'LL BREAK THE STREET.
I WASN'T AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE ATTENDANCE AND PAT'S, UH, CREWS DOWN AT THE BEACH FOR THE, UH, ASSISTANCE WITH THE NINE 11 CEREMONY.
LIKED DOWN THERE AND, UH, YEAH, IT, UH, JUST, IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY SERVICES PEOPLE TOGETHER.
WELL, THEY DID A TERRIFIC JOB.
AND THEN JUST, I, I EMAILED THE BOARD ABOUT THE CARES ACT AND THE FEMA STUFF THAT WE'RE YEAH, I WANNA TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I, I, I THANK I THANKED SAM, BUT I DIDN'T THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
I KNOW OUR BOARD MEMBERS APPRECIATE IT.
OUR CARES ACT SUBMISSION, UH, WAS FANTASTIC.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'LL HAPPEN TO BENEFIT US GOING FORWARD IS THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR EXPENSES WE HAVE, WE HAVE INCURRED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
THAT'S A BIG FINANCIAL IMPACT IN OUR FAVOR.
SO, UH, WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL, GRATEFUL TO YOU.
IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THIS BUDGET, THAT'S FOR SURE.
OKAY, JENNIFER, NOTHING TO REPORT.
OKAY, MARTY, I HAVE THREE QUICK ITEMS. ONE, UM, THE, UH, FITNESS PARK AT THE NIKE BASE SPONSORED BY, UM, DANNY FIT.
THAT, UH, PROJECT, UH, WAS INSTALLED.
UH, WORK STARTED ON FRIDAY, I BELIEVE I PROBABLY FINISHED UP TODAY, BUT THAT'S LONG WAY TO DONATION.
NICE NEW ADDITION TO OUR NIKE BASE, THANKS TO B AND G AND PAT FOR THEIR HELP WITH THAT.
ALSO, UM, THE, UH, NEEDED FURNACE AT, AT, UH, TOWN PARK BEGAN, UH, TO BE INSTALLED.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED YET, BUT ONCE IT IS, THAT WILL ALLOW US, UM, TO OPEN UP THE FITNESS CENTER BECAUSE THE AIR HANDLING SYSTEM WILL BE UP TO SPEED AS FAR AS, UH MM-HMM.
AND, UH, LASTLY, UH, THE, UH, SCOREBOARD THAT, UH, WE NEEDED FOR THE RINK HAS BEEN DELIVERED AND, UH, THAT WILL BE INSTALLED VERY SOON.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK PAT AND THE CREWS AT B AND G FOR OTHER HELP.
ANY OTHER REPORT? OH, KATHY, I'M SORRY.
AM I MISSING ANYBODY HERE? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I GUESS WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION, BUT BEFORE YOU GOT ANY TOWN BOARD MEMBERS WANNA SAY, I HAVE ONE, ONE QUICK ITEM.
UH, THE DRUG FREE COALITION, UH, LATER THIS MONTH, WE HAVE RED RIBBON WEEK FROM OCTOBER 23RD UNTIL THE 31ST.
AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGING THROUGH.
THE MEMBERS OF THE GROUP WILL REACH OUT TO THEIR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WITH THEIR, UH, ENCOURAGING THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN PAINTING THE COMMUNITY RED DURING THAT TIME.
UM, RED, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS ON YOUR PORCH, RED RIBBONS, WHEREVER WE CAN PUT TO TOUCH OF RED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, TO REMIND US ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF RED RIBBON WEEK, UM, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY TO, UM, ASSIST INDIVIDUALS.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA START OUT WITH, UH, I WASN'T, UH, IN TOWN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN THE, THE PROTEST WAS HERE ON OUR GROUNDS.
UM, BUT US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY.
AND I DIDN'T SAY NOTHING LAST MONDAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, AND I WANTED TO LOOK AND FIND OUT.
AND I DID SEE THE EMAILS THAT PEOPLE SENT OUT THERE, LIKE SIX EMAILS
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STATING CERTAIN THINGS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE NOT TRUE.UH, A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED SINCE THAT TIME.
UH, PRIVATE MESS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRIVATE, BUT TOWN MESSAGES GOT SENT OUT ON FACEBOOK, WHICH I THINK IS A VIOLATION OF OUR TOWN POLICY.
UH, ONE OF OUR TOP POLICE OFFICERS, UH, RESIGNED FROM A LOT OF HIS COMMITTEES AND LIAISONS AND ASSIGNMENTS BECAUSE OF THIS, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DAMAGE DONE.
SO, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? YEAH, I DO.
UM, I'M GONNA BE, HOPEFULLY I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH, UH, NICK BUD TODAY.
I'M GONNA MEET WITH HIM TOMORROW SOMETIME.
I'M GONNA CALL HIM IN THE MORNING.
UH, AND I'VE TALKED WITH THE CHIEF AT GREAT LENGTH, AND I'VE TALKED WITH THE EVENT ORGANIZERS, AND I THINK I GOT MAYBE A HUNDRED EMAILS AND ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, 40 OR 50 PHONE CALLS.
THE CALLS CAME SUNDAY, THE 27TH.
AND ALL WEEK SOME OF THESE EMAILS WERE TO THE EFFECT, HOW COULD YOU SHAW, AS THE SUPERVISOR, ALLOW THIS TRUMP RALLY ON OUR PROPERTY? WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? SOME PEOPLE SAID TO ME, WAIT A MINUTE, SHAW, THIS IS A PROTEST, AND IF WE WANNA HANG THE GOVERNOR AND EFFIGY, THAT'S OUR BUSINESS.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS GETTING ON SUNDAY, MONDAY.
NOW, I MET WITH THE CHIEF TWICE, ONCE WITH NICK ON WEDNESDAY.
AND THE CHIEF, NOW THE CHIEF SENT A MEMO TO ME AND THE TOWN BOARD, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HE ATTACHED NICK'S RENDITION OF THE EVENTS AND HIS ROLE IN IT.
NOW, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, I WASN'T SURE WHETHER THE MEMO FROM THE CHIEF AND NICK'S ATTACHMENT WERE CONFIDENTIAL.
THEY WERE EMAILED TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD ANYWAY.
AND I WAS TAKING A PRETTY GOOD BEATING FOR BEING PRO CUOMO OR ANTI CUOMO, OR ANTI-TRUMP, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, I'D TAKE SOME PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD PUNTS.
SO I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, LOOK, RATHER THAN SHAW PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
YEAH, YOU'RE A LIAR, YOU'RE POLITICAL, YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I MADE THE ASSUMPTION, AND MAY BE WRONGLY, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T TO CHECK WITH THE CHIEF OR NICK AND I SHOULD HAVE, AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I'M GONNA TALK TO NICK MORE ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF OTHER TWO TIMES OVER THE PHONE.
I MET WITH ON THURSDAY, THE EVENT LEADER, 1791 GROUP, AND WE LOOKED AT THE VIDEO, WE LOOKED AT THE VIDEO, AND I SAID TO HIM, LOOK AT IT.
HE INSISTED, WE DIDN'T HANG THE GOVERNOR OF EFFIGY.
WE PUT A A, A ROPE ON HIS SUIT JACKET PULLED HIM UP, AND, UH, A MOCK TRIAL WAS HELD AND SO FORTH.
I SAID, LOOK, THAT MAY BE IN BAD TASTE, FRANK PATEK, BUT IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO DO THAT.
CAN'T STOP SOMEBODY FROM DOING THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE LESS THAN TASTEFUL.
SO HE AND I TALKED AND I ISSUED A POST ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE, AND HE ISSUED ONE SAYING, SHAW, THANKS FOR BEING A GENTLEMAN, AND THANKS FOR BEING HONORABLE.
BECAUSE FRANKLY, THEY DIDN'T, TECHNICALLY THEY DIDN'T LEND YOU.
BUT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAW IT, THEY THOUGHT, SO NOW, LET ME TAKE THIS BACK A STEP FURTHER.
NICK BUNNEY DID EVERYTHING HE SHOULD HAVE DONE, IN MY OPINION.
WE HAD A PROTEST, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, IN JULY ON BLUE LIVES MATTER IN THE PARKING LOT ON SOUTH PARK, YOU KNOW, FRONTING SOUTH PARK, BUT SOMETIME LATE JULY, I THINK IT WAS, YEAH, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN 35 OR 40 PEOPLE THERE.
SO NICK GETS A CALL, UH, AT SOME POINT FROM THE EVENT ORGANIZERS, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY FRANK, AND TALKING ABOUT A PROTEST.
AND FRANK WAS WORRIED ABOUT COUNTER PROTESTORS.
SO, UH, NICK DID HIS DUE DILIGENCE, PUT THE PEOPLE ON FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WERE NECESSARY TO BE ON AND ONLY GOT CONFIRMATION ON THE 18TH.
I THINK IT WAS AROUND 18TH OR 19TH THAT THE EVENT
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WAS TO OCCUR ON THE 26TH SATURDAY.NOW, AS FAR AS HE KNEW, IT WAS A PROTEST SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN JULY.
HE TALKED TO THE CHIEF, THAT'S THE CHAIN OF, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO CALL SHOP.
UH, HE TALKED TO THE CHIEF AND CHIEF SAID, UH, OKAY, NOW THE CHIEF DIDN'T TALK TO ME BECAUSE HE PROBABLY AGREED ALL IT'S A PROTEST.
ON THURSDAY THE 24TH, AROUND FOUR 30 IN THE AFTERNOON, PAT RYAN CAME TO ME AND SAID TO ME, JIM, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A PROTEST HERE SATURDAY.
THAT'S THE FIRST I KNEW ABOUT IT,
SO SATURDAY AFTERNOON, I, I WAS GOING OUT DOING SOME ERRANDS FOR MY, FOR MY HOME AND MY WIFE AND SHE SENT ME A TEXT MESSAGE, SAID, YOU BETTER GO OVER TO TOWN HALL.
SOMETHING, A BIG DEAL GOING ON OVER THERE.
SO I WAS GOING TO TOPS ON, UH, NEXT TO THE TOWN HALL PLEASANT, AND IF YOU WERE DRIVING BY OR LOOKING AT IT, AND LATER I LOOKED AT IT ON VIDEO, IT LOOKED LIKE A TRUMP RALLY.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
YOU SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP.
NICK HAD NO IDEA THAT THE, THE CROWDS WERE GONNA BE THIS BIG.
SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP, SANDS, MASKS, SAND, SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND THERE'S TRUMP FLAGS AND TRUMP SIGNS AND SO ON.
SOMEBODY SAID, CALLED ME ON SATURDAY, A LATE SATURDAY AND SAID, YOU HAD A D SHOW.
YOU HAD A DAMN PLATFORM THERE AND, AND SOUND SYSTEM.
I SAID, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
HE SAID, YOU'RE A DAMN LIAR UP AND YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING.
I SAID, WELL, I'M TELLING YOU ANYWAY, TO MAKE A PAINFULLY LONG STORY, NOT SO PAINFUL.
I WENT OVER THE WHOLE THING AND I'M GOING TO TELL NICK TOMORROW AND I'M GONNA PUT OUT A POST, WHICH I THINK HONESTLY REFLECTS WHAT HE DID.
YOU CAN'T ANTICIPATE EVERY OCCURRENCE, POLITICAL PROTESTS, NO MATTER HOW OBNOXIOUS IS SANCTIONABLE UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION, SYMBOLIC SPEECH, STRINGING UP SOMEBODY BY A SUIT JACKET, EVEN BURNING THE FLAG.
THAT'S THE SUPREME COURT IS SANCTIONED.
THAT KIND OF OBNOXIOUS BEHAVIOR.
NOW, NICK BUNDY DID A GOOD JOB.
IN ANOTHER RESPECT, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PROTEST KIDS COMING, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE BLACK LIVES MEN, I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE, BUT A COUPLE OF KIDS.
HE DIDN'T LET THESE PEOPLE MINGLE.
HE CALMLY HAD HIS, HIS FORCES, HIS POLICE OFFICER STATION THERE POLITELY ESCORT THEM OUT TO AVOID ANY CONFRONTATIONS.
WHEN YOU GET SEVEN OR 800 PEOPLE STORMING THE PLACE WITHIN AN HOUR, AND THEY'RE WITHOUT MASKS OR WITHOUT SOCIAL DISTANCING, WHAT IN THE HECK ARE YOU GONNA DO AS A PRACTICAL MATTER? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE PROTESTING WAS CUOMO'S, UH, COVID, 19 STRICT POLICIES, THAT KIND OF THING, NOT TO MENTION CD, C AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
SO IN ANY EVENT, THESE GUYS DID WHAT THEY COULD DO.
NOW, THE CHIEF SAID TO ME, HE'S, HE'S SUCH A GREAT GUY.
HE SAID TO ME, JIM, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU.
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT I SAID, CHIEF, LOOK IT, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT THURSDAY, THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN I WENT HOME AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A PROTEST.
HE DID EVERYTHING HE COULD DO, KEEPING IT CALM.
NOW WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN, AND WE SHOOK HANDS AND HE PUT THAT NICE POST OUT ABOUT ME, ABOUT, YOU'RE A GENTLEMAN SHOWING AN HONORABLE GUY.
UH, I SAID, LOOK IT, WE'LL INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE.
AND WALTER'S BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND THE IDEA IS, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 200 OR MORE PEOPLE CONGREGATE OR YOU PLAN ON IT OUT OF TOWN PROPERTY, YOU SHOULD FILL OUT A PERMIT FILED WITH THE CLERK.
YOU SHOULD POST A SECURITY DEPOSIT.
IF IT REQUIRES OVERTIME SERVICES, YOU SHOULD SIGN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL PAY FOR IT, NOT THE TAXPAYERS.
AND YOU SHOULD GET SOME INSURANCE.
WHAT IF SOME GUY SATURDAY GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH ANOTHER GUY, HIT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH A TRUMP SIDE? WELL, NATURALLY THEY'VE LOOKED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN SUE THE ENTITY WITH THE DEEP POCKETS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO COME ON, OKAY, GET INSURANCE, DESIGNATE US AS A NAMED INSURED AND HOLD US HARMLESS.
SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE THING.
NOW, YOU COULD HAVE A PROTEST, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE, AND PEOPLE SAY, THIS WASN'T A RALLY SHOW, YOU'RE WRONG.
OKAY, ALRIGHT, MAYBE I'M WRONG.
REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND DIFFER.
BUT HERE'S THE SCHOOL, MIKE, YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A POLITICAL RALLY ON TOWN PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A POLITICAL ASSEMBLY,
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A POLITICAL MEETING, UH, A POLITICAL PARTY.I MEAN, TAXPAYER FUNDED PROPERTY SHOULD NOT SUPPORT A, A POLITICAL CANDIDATE OF ONE FAITH AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER, OR A POLITICAL PARTY OF ONE FAITH AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER.
SO I HOPE AFTER MEETING WITH NICK, THAT WE CAN FASHION A STATEMENT THAT WILL REALLY MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HE AND THE CHIEF BEHAVED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THEY DID TO MY, AND MY HUMBLE OPINION.
I'M PRETTY DISTURBED AT THE EMAIL THAT I GOT FROM HIM.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE, WHAT IS HE 20 YEAR, UH, UH, POLICE OFFICER FOR THE TOWN, AND HE JUST, UH, HE JUST REALLY FEELS LIKE HE REALLY GOT THE BAD END OF THE STICK THERE.
WELL, I THINK HE'S HERE, BUT I MEAN, HE, HE AND I ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT, AND HE DID FEEL THAT WAY.
AND I THINK WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE IN RETROSPECT, WHEN THE CHIEF, INSTEAD OF PUT OUT THE EMAIL, I CONSIDER THAT PUBLIC TRAFFIC, THAT INTERNAL DOCUMENTATION.
AND I FIGURED, WELL, IF IT COMES FROM THE POLICE, I CAN GET AWAY FROM LISTENING TO ALL THESE EMAILS AND, AND POSTINGS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT WHAT A TERRIBLE DICTATOR, I THINK, IF I MAY.
YEAH, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW, WHEN YOU'RE A ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU GOTTA WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE ALL SIDES OF THE STORY BEFORE YOU, YOU SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, SOMETIMES BEING QUIET YEAH.
IS THE PROPER COURSE TO GO FORWARD.
AND LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THE TURMO, LOOK AT WE DID TO PEOPLE.
I MEAN, WELL, WELL, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S CRAZY, WELL, LET ME SAY THIS TO YOU SOME, YOUR ADVICE IS VERY GOOD AND, AND VERY SOUND.
AND OVER THE YEARS IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES, I ALWAYS THOUGHT I KNEW WHEN TO OPEN MY MOUTH AND WHEN TO SHUT IT.
SOMETIMES I'M NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING HERE, RIGHT AFTERWARDS, ON THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER, A WEEK AGO, ALL OF THE STUFF COMING AT ME WAS, YOU'RE GONNA WRITE A LETTER OF APOLOGY TO THE GOVERNOR SHAW.
WHAT DID YOU, WHY DID YOU SANCTION THIS? WHAT ARE YOU DOING,
I MEAN, I FELT TO SOME EXTENT, YOU KNOW, WAIT A MINUTE, I DIDN'T DO THIS.
THIS WAS A SPONTANEOUS KIND OF OCCURRENCE THAT FRANK PANACEK HONESTLY BELIEVED WAS A LEGITIMATE PROTEST, AND HE'S GOT SOME VERY GOOD ARGUMENTS TO BACK THAT UP, AND I UNDERSTOOD IT.
SO I THINK IT WAS A GOOD THING TO MEET WITH HIM AND CLEAR THE AIR, AND I HOPE TO DO THAT WITH MY BUDDY NICK BUNNEY.
ANYTHING ELSE THERE, LADIES AND JENS? YES, MA'AM.
I, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PHONE CALLS AND THE EMAILS, THOSE CONCERNS WERE REAL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS BEING CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR DISPLAYS OF SWASTIKAS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WERE PHOTOGRAPHED.
UM, IT CAUSED FEAR IN SOME RESIDENTS.
AND, AND WHILE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLED THE, THE CROWD THAT WAS UNEXPECTED, 800, OVER 800 PEOPLE, I THINK WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS IT'S CLEAR THAT WE NEED SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, POLICY IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S REQUIRING PERMITS AND, AND SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THOSE CONCERNS.
WHETHER THOSE FEARS WERE FOR NOT HAVING TRAFFIC ACCESS, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE VALID, BUT PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INGRESS, TOPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RESPOND TO THOSE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS ALSO.
UM, TAKE THE POLITICS OUT AS A OUT OF IT.
UM, WHEN A RESIDENT IS FEARFUL BECAUSE OF SOMETHING, WE, WE OWE THEM SOME ANSWERS.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT MAYBE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WE DIDN'T FACE ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE PROTESTS, WE DIDN'T HAVE RALLIES, AND NOW IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ARE LACKING SOME POLICY OR PROCEDURE OR SOME SORT OF NOTIFICATION PROTOCOL.
UM, BECAUSE IF THERE ARE OVER 800 PEOPLE ON ONE OF OUR MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES, WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DON'T WE HAVE SOME OF THAT ALREADY IN PLACE? I MEAN, WE HAVE FACILITIES LIKE TAYLOR ROAD, SO I'M SURE WE HAVE A PROCESS THERE, SO CAN'T WE, RATHER THAN REINVENTING THE WHEEL ALSO? WELL, THIS IS DIFFERENT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
SOME OF THE PROCESS MIGHT ALREADY BE THERE.
WE MAY JUST HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, WE JUST TO GET AT THE LAST PART OF IT, AND THEN I'M GONNA LET IT GO.
UH, THE FIVE OR SIX EMAILS I GOT, THEY ALL WERE REMARKABLY SIMILAR.
AND THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD WITH EVERYTHING IS THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS HANGING BY A NOOSE IN EFFIGY, WHICH WAS NOT TRUE.
SO WE STARTED OUT ON A FALSE PREMISE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UNTIL YOU SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY, UNTIL YOU GET THE FACTS, I SAID, MIKE, YOU'RE DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
DIDN'T YOU KNOW, LAST MONDAY, DIDN'T YOU LOOK
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AT ME AND SAY, WHY ISN'T MIKE SAYING ANYTHING? I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW.I DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN SPEAK OR NOT SPEAK AS YOU SEE FIT.
I, UH,
SO I SAID TO FRANK PANACEK, I SAID, OH, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE A NU AROUND HIS NECK.
OKAY, FRANK, HE GOT HIM STRUNG UP HERE, I SUPPOSE.
UH, IS THAT A BIG DISTINCTION? HE SAID, YES, YES, YES.
SO I, I TALKED IT OVER WITH HIM.
AND, UH, I THOUGHT WE CAME TO A NICE UNDERSTANDING AND EXCHANGED SOME NICE POSTS.
AND I HOPE TO DO THAT WITH THE CHIEF AND WITH NICK, BECAUSE NICK'S A, NICK'S A GREAT OFFICER AND A GREAT GUY, AND SO IS MY BUDDY, THE CHIEF.
SO, LOOK AT FOLKS, WE, WE CANNOT ANTICIPATE EVERY PROBLEM THAT COMES OUR WAY.
THIS ORDINANCE, UH, BETH, THAT, THAT WE USE FOR SOME FACILITIES CAN BE MODELED AND FINE TUNED TO DEAL WITH THE ITEMS I JUST ENUMERATED.
BUT YOU CAN'T STOP A GENERIC PROTEST.
IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND NETWORK AND STORM THE PLACE, UH, WITHIN 24 OR 48 HOURS, YOU CAN'T STOP THEM.
THE ONLY THING,
THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A EVENT, 200 OR MORE, YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE, YOU GOTTA FILL OUT AN APPLICATION.
NOW, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? IF THEY SHOW UP AND IT'S 180 OR IT'S TWO 20? I, THERE'S NO FOOLPROOF ANSWER, BUT WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
I THINK THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY ON THIS IS, I AGREE WITH YOU, MIKE.
WE, WE DID NOT HANDLE IT PERFECT.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, KNOWING ABOUT THE EVENT, AND IN TERMS OF INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE ANGER, UM, THE PHONE CALLS, THE EMAILS, I MEAN, JUST OFF THE CHART.
SO EVERYBODY WAS, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY EXCITED AND, UH, OVERREACTED.
SO I THINK, UH, YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.
I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO KNOW THOUGH IS, UM, WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE HAVE TALKED TO, UH, CHIEF TRASK AND, UH, NICK, WHO WAS IN CHARGE AND DETERMINED THAT THEY DID EVERYTHING EXACTLY AS WE WOULD WANT THEM TO DO.
THEY FOLLOWED ALL THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND, UH, THEY DEALT WITH AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT UNANTICIPATED, UH, CIRCUMSTANCE IN, UH, THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT IN AN EXCELLENT MANNER THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE EXTREMELY, UH, PROUD OF.
THE PART OF THAT THAT WE DIDN'T DO PERFECT ON, WHICH WAS PREPARATION AND INITIAL, UH, REACTION AFTER, I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN FROM AND WE NEED TO, UH, DEVELOP THIS PROTOCOL FOR FUTURE EVENTS.
UM, SO THAT WE DON'T PUT THE POLICE IN AN AWKWARD POSITION OF NOT, UH, KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, UH, A SITUATION, UH, THAT IS EXTREMELY UNIQUE AND EXTREMELY, UH, UNSAFE TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO I THINK GOING FORWARD, UM, WE CAN ALL COLLABORATE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED LAST TIME, HAVE SOME PROTOCOL SO THAT FREE SPEECH, UM, IS, IS MORE THAN ALIVE AND WELL IN HAMBURG, YET THERE'S SAFETY MEASURES AND THERE'S PROTOCOL.
UH, SO THAT CAN BE DONE IN A NICE, SAFE, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS, UH, POINT OR ANY OTHER FOR THAT MATTER? OKAY.
I THINK MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.