* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WHAT'S [00:00:01] GRID VIEW MEAN? WHEN YOU HAVE GRID VIEW MEANS YOU CAN SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AT ONCE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE PERSON AT A TIME. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE LIVE. OKAY. TOOK YOURSELF OUT, BOB. HUH? WHAT DO WE GO? WHAT? YOU'RE BACK. YOU WERE, YOU WERE OFF FOR A WHILE. OKAY. OKAY. SO FIRST THING WE HAVE ON OUR WORK SESSION IS OAKVIEW HOMES AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONVERT THE VACANT BUILDING LOCATED AT 5 6 7 3 MCKINLEY PARKWAY TO OFFICE AND STORAGE SPACE FOR A SMALL RESIDENTIAL REMODELING BUSINESS. AND, UH, THIS IS DREW, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM LAST MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, AFTER THE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND I JUST HAD REQUESTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD TREAT THIS PROJECT LIKE WE TREATED SKETCHERS. WE BROUGHT S SKETCHERS IN BEFORE THE BOARD, WHICH WERE LIKE TONIGHT, BUT THEN IN THE OLD, AND, AND SARAH DID THE RESEARCH. ULTIMATELY WE DECIDED TO RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR SKETCHERS. SO, AGAIN, THAT COULD HAPPEN TONIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE FILED THE SAME PROCEDURE THAT WE BROUGHT THEM BEFORE THE BOARD, THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN BASICALLY THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TWO DECISIONS. YOU COULD RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER OR IF YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING NECESSARY YOU COULD RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD WITH FULL SITE PLAN AND APPLICATION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE TREATING IT JUST LIKE THE LAST COUPLE PROJECTS WE HAD, LIKE THIS, WHERE THEY'RE RENOVATING, EXISTING BUILDING. WELL, DREW THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THE S SKETCHERS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO, UH, CHANGING OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, HERE THEY'RE REMOVING A BLOCK TO PUT UP TWO OVERHEAD DOORS. UH, THEY BUTT UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO THEY'RE GONNA NEED A FENCE OF SOME KIND. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN, AND PLUS IT, IT IS DIFFERENT. SKETCHERS DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE EX, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. REMEMBER THEY HAD TO CUT A NEW OPENING AND THEY HAD TO DO SOME WORK. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, ROGER LIKES TO SEND THESE THINGS TO YOU GUYS SO YOU, YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION AND NOT HIM AS A SINGLE PERSON DECIDING WHAT NEEDS SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR NOT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR, IS TO LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT AND MAKE A DECISION, UH, YOU GUYS ON, ON HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THIS. IT, I THOUGHT TOO, IT WAS GOOD THAT HE COME HERE AND HE IS GOTTEN SOME, A LETTER FROM HIS NEIGHBORS. 'CAUSE THIS IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A GREAT RENOVATION. BUT ASK AWAY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. ASK HIM, YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES, YOU'VE SEEN OTHER THINGS, AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE YOUR DECISION ON HOW YOU WANNA TREAT 'EM. IF YOU TREAT HIM THAT YOU NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ON NEXT MONTH'S, NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA AND CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT MEETING. IF YOU DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER, ROGER HAS RECOMMENDED, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE WORK THAT IF YOU RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER, ALSO RECOMMEND ANY CONDITIONS YOU WANNA SEE. FOR EXAMPLE, A CONDITION COULD BE MAKE SURE THE LIGHTS ARE SHIELDED 'CAUSE WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. A RECOMMENDATION COULD BE, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY OUTSIDE DUMPSTERS BE AN ENCLOSURE. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU CAN ATTACH THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY SENT US ALREADY AS A CONDITION ALSO THAT THE BUILDING RIGHT. HAS TO LOOK LIKE. YEP. YEAH. SO I, UH, DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GIVE A BRIEF, UH, EXPLANATION, UM, ON ADDITION TO WHAT I SENT IN, BUT YEAH. SO BASICALLY WE'RE A, A SMALL, UH, REMODELING BUSINESS, UH, MYSELF AND A PARTNER. UH, WE'RE BOTH, WELL, I'M A CURRENTLY A HAMBURG RESIDENT, BOTH GREW UP IN HAMBURG. UM, WE, UH, JUST SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TAKE AN EXISTING VACANT BUILDING, UM, THAT'S BEEN IN ISO FOR, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 OR FIVE YEARS. UM, AND HAS, UH, SOME OPPORTUNITY AND WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, FILL IT WITH AN ACTIVE BUSINESS. UM, WE WILL, UH, WE PLAN TO PUT THE DOORS ON SO WE CAN GET THE VEHICLES IN AND OUT, UH, FOR STORAGE. UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM INSIDE FOR SECURITY. UH, WE DON'T PLAN TO HAVE ANY DUMPSTERS ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, OUR CURRENT PLAN AND THE RENDERING IS USING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE EXISTING, UH, AS WE INHERITED IT. UM, ASIDE FROM CLEANING UP THE SHRUBBERY AND THE OVERGROWING GRASS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAD THERE BEFORE. UH, WE DON'T PLAN TO ADD ANY PARKING LOT LIGHTS ASIDE FROM, UH, MAYBE A INSIDE THE BUILDING CAMERAS AND STUFF. BUT, UH, I DID WANNA NOTE THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A, UH, THERE IS A PROPERTY TO OUR REAR, UH, THAT BUFFERS US FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IT'S A 40 FOOT LOT, UH, THAT RUNS THE WHOLE LENGTH OF OUR LOT, UH, BETWEEN OURS AND THE FIRST RESIDENCE. UM, IT IS OWNED BY NATIONAL FUEL. IT'S A, UM, [00:05:01] THERE'S A, A GAS MAN THAT RUNS THROUGH IT. UH, WE MAINTAIN HALF THE NEIGHBOR'S BEEN MAINTAINING THE OTHER HALF. UH, THE NEIGHBOR SPECIFICALLY, UH, HIS NAME'S RUSSELL KKA. I SPOKE WITH HIM, UM, A COUPLE TIMES NOW AND HE PROVIDED A LETTER, UH, IN FULL SUPPORT OF OUR, OF OUR, OUR, UH, CHANGE OF USE AND OUR, UM, PROPOSED RENDERINGS. UH, THEY'RE EXCITED. UH, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS I'VE TALKED TO, PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED. THEY STOP IN, THEY'RE JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEY'RE EXCITED BECAUSE THAT WAS, UH, IT'S BEEN VACANT, UM, FOR, SINCE THE TANKS WERE REMOVED IN 17. UM, AND, UH, THEY JUST WERE CURIOUS WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND, UH, EVERYONE'S BEEN VERY PLEASANT TO TALK WITH. THERE'S A, IT SEEMS LIKE 15 TO HOUSES BACK THERE, AND WE'VE TALKED TO PROBABLY HALF THOSE NEIGHBORS SO FAR. UM, JUST CASUALLY EXCEPT FOR, UM, MR. KOEPKA, WHO I, UM, GOT THE LETTER FROM. UH, BECAUSE HE IS THE FIRST NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO OUR PROPERTY. SO, YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR BACKGROUND, UH, WE DO OWN OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. SO WE'RE INTERESTED IN MAKING 'EM LOOK NICE. UM, WE ARE REMODELING COMPANY, SO THE NICER OUR BUILDING LOOKS, THE BETTER, UM, FOR OUR BUSINESS. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO HAVE RENDERINGS MADE UP BY, UH, SUTTON ARCHITECTURE TO, UH, SHOW WHAT WE WANNA DO AND, UH, GIVE US A LITTLE DIRECTION. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THAT, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT, LIKE I SAID, JUST TO TAKE A OLD VACANT BUILDING AND MAKE IT A NEW AGAIN. SO ANY QUESTIONS I WILL, UH, TAKE. ARE YOU PLANNING ON ADDING ANY LANDSCAPING? UH, WELL WE, IN THE RENDERING, UH, I KNOW THAT THE ARCHITECT DAVE, UH, HAD PUT SOME STUFF. THERE'S CURRENTLY A CONCRETE CURB, UM, THAT STEPS UP TO THE BUILDING. WE'RE LIKELY GONNA REMOVE THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO ELEVATION CHANGE TO GET INTO THE DOORS ANYWAYS. SO, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY ADD LANDSCAPING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS YOU SEE IN THE RENDERING. UH, AND ALSO POTENTIALLY THE CORNER OF THE, UM, THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE CORNER OF MARIE AND MCKINLEY LANDSCAPED BED. THAT'S MULCHING WEEDS RIGHT NOW. WE'LL PROBABLY SPRUCE THAT UP AND MAKE IT RIGHT. THE OTHER STRIPS OF LANDSCAPING THAT BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY, UH, WE'RE LIKELY GONNA PLANT GRASS 'CAUSE THEY, THE WAY THAT THEY PLOW MCKINLEY, UH, ENDS UP KILLING EVERYTHING, UH, FOR THE MOST PART RIGHT ON THE STREET. SO IF ANYTHING, WE KEEP IT CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. UM, MR. CARLOS, HOW ARE, HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU, UH, PLAN ON HAVING FOR YOUR BUSINESS? UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VEHICLES, UH, UH, WORK VAN AND A WORK TRUCK, AND THAT'S, RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE THE TWO WE PLAN TO KEEP INSIDE. UH, AND JUST FOR SECURITY REASONS, UH, THE OTHER USE OF THE INTERIOR SHOP SPACE IS JUST STORAGE OF TOOLS AND, UH, SOME MATERIALS. UH, WE DON'T REALLY OPERATE A SHOP LIKE A WOODWORKING SHOP NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST STORAGE. I MEAN, OH YEAH, THERE WON'T BE LIKE TRUCKS OR VANS OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE IN THE POCKET, EXCEPT FOR DURING OUR OPERATING HOURS. OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, MYSELF INCLUDED, WILL BE DRIVING THE PERSONAL VEHICLES FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 30 TILL 4 30, 5 30 WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THE JOB PARK, THE VEHICLE GO HOME SOLY OVERNIGHT, NO, THERE, UH, WON'T BE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OVERNIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU DREW. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION OF YOU. I TALKED TO ROGER YESTERDAY AND HE, HE, DOES HE NEED A FENCE? A A BUDDING UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL OR SOME KIND OF A, A BUFFER OTHER THAN, UH, GRASS? YEAH. UNDER THE, UM, HOW LARGE IS THE PARKING LOT? UM, I, IS IT MORE THAN SIX VEHICLES? COULD YOU PUT MORE THAN SIX VEHICLES THERE? YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S QUITE A LARGE LOT. YES. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS WHEN THEY HAD THE GAS STATION, UH, THE TANKS REMOVED, THEY USED THE, I THINK THEY USED THE BLACK TOP, UH, SEAL OVER THE NEW DIRT. UM, THE NEIGHBOR WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DID A POOR JOB WITH IT. IT'S OVERSIZED FOR WHAT WE NEED. UM, ULTIMATELY THE, THE NEIGHBOR ON HIS PROPERTY LINE HAS, UM, LARGE EVERGREEN TREES PARKED ALONG OR PLANTED ALONG HIS PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THERE'S THE 40 FOOT OF GRASS, UM, BETWEEN OUR BUILDING AND HIS, UM, RIGHT. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO IS THAT IN THE LAW, UNDER AUTOMOTIVE USE AREAS, IF YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT MORE THAN SIX FEET, THAT A BUTTS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF PUT SOME SCREENING. AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU HAVE A THREE FOOT AREA, YOU HAVE EVERGREENS PLANTED ON THE ONE SIDE BY THE RESIDENT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN JUST DO SOME SMALL PLANNING, JUST SOMETHING TO BREAK UP. BUT, UM, BUT THAT, THAT WE COULD MAYBE ASK THE NEIGHBOR AND SEE WHAT HE CHOOSES FOR. AGAIN, IT'S TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBOR. SO IF THE NEIGHBOR IS FINE WITH THE WAY IT IS, THEN IT'S FINE. BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT [00:10:01] COULD BE A CONDITION OF, OF EITHER SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR A SITE PLAN WAIVER THAT YOU GET SOMETHING FROM THE NEIGHBOR AND SEE WHAT THEY WANNA DO. YEAH. AND ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE USE TO THE OTHER GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE REDUCING ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC FLOW. UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY OPERATING HOURS. WE OPERATE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 30 TILL FIVE 30. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE GAS STATION OBVIOUSLY IS RUNNING MUCH LONGER HOURS, MUCH HIGHER TRAFFIC. I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE JUST POINTING OUT, REDUCING THE USE. UM, THEY'RE JUST POINTING OUT THE LAWS AND WE TRY TO FOLLOW THE LAWS. SO NO, AND WE'D BE PREPARED TO, UH, ADD SCREENING IF, UH, IF NECESSARY. UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, UH, FENCING OR SCREENING IS, IS CERTAINLY, UH, SOMETHING WE'D BE, GOOD QUESTION. SEE MR. CLEARY COMING DOWN THE STAIRS. , MR. CLEARY FIGURED IT OUT. GOOD JOB. THAT'S YEAH, I DID. THANKS SARAH. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT'S WHY WE INVITED HIM HERE. THERE'S NO REASON, UH, THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE, THIS PARTICULAR USE DOESN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. CORRECT. IT, THEY'RE FINE UNDER JUST WAIVER OR SITE PLAN REVIEW. YES. THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED BY ROGER AND I AGREE WITH HIS INTERPRETATION. AND AGAIN, HE COULD HAVE NOT SENT IT TO HIM AND MADE HIS OWN DECISION, BUT HE'S BEEN TRYING TO, BEING VERY CONSISTENT IN SENDING STUFF TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET YOUR INPUT, WHICH I LIKE. I'M A PROCESS GUY. SO FOLLOW THE PROCESS YOU FOLLOW FOR ALL THE PROJECTS. SO HE LIKES TO SEND 'EM TO YOU AND GET YOUR INPUT. OKAY. SO, SO WHAT DO WE THINK? WE'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH TWO CHOICES. WE CAN DO A WAIVER WITH CONDITIONS OR WE CAN SCHEDULE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT. OR SITE PLAN REVIEW. RIGHT. AND HOW IT WORKS. BILL IS THE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE SITE PLAN WAIVERS ALSO, SARAH. SO ANY DIRECTION THE PLANNING BOARD GIVES BILL AND SARAH WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS FOLLOWED PRIOR TO THEN BOTH SIGNING THE SITE PLAN WAIVER FORM. OKAY. SO I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S JUST, UH, I GUESS PULL THE BOARD. UM, AL WHAT DO YOU THINK, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, CAN'T HEAR YOU, BILL. YOU'RE BREAKING UP. AL I THINK WHAT BILL SAID WAS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT A WAIVER FOR THIS PROJECT, SITE PLAN WAIVER VERSUS PUBLIC HEARING SITE PLAN REVIEW? I'M FINE WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW OR WAIVER. OKAY. YOU'RE FINE WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO GOING FORWARD, THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. UM, MEGAN, I'M FINE WITH THE WAIVER. I FEEL LIKE HE'S MAKING AN IMPROVEMENT AND HE'S AMENDABLE TO OUR CONDITIONS OF PERHAPS PUTTING IN SOME BARRIERS. SO I'M FINE WITH THE WAIVER. OKAY. DOUG? I'M ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, HAVING A WAIVER. OKAY. UM, BILL, WHAT'D YOU JUST SAY? YOU'RE BREAKING UP. I'M BREAKING UP, WHICH I'LL SWITCH TO MY COMPUTER FOR THE REGULAR. UH, WHAT DO YOU UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT AND VERY LITTLE EXTERNAL IMPACT. SO I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, UM, I THINK I'D BE OKAY WITH THE WAIVER HERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, EXPRESSED THEIR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. NOW, NOW IT WAS YOU BREAKING UP ON ME, SO I I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I WOULD SAY WAIVER IS OKAY. THERE'S NO EX, THERE'S NOTHING BUT COSMETIC EXTERNAL CHANGES IN A NEIGHBOR. UM, DID, DID THAT CLOSEST NEIGHBOR EXPRESSED THEIR SUPPORT, SO, OKAY. UM, DENNIS, WELL, JUST SO WE DON'T SET A BAD PRECEDENT, I WOULD GO WITH A, A SITE PLAN REVIEW. OKAY. BOB? UM, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE A COUPLE TIMES. UM, I HAVEN'T CAUGHT ANYBODY THERE, BUT THE TRUCKS HAVE BEEN THERE AND HE, I AGREE THAT HE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT IMPROVEMENT OVER THERE. IT REALLY DOES LOOK WELL, UH, I'M OKAY WITH THE WAIVER. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THE WAIVER TOO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S FIVE TO TWO IN FAVOR OF A WAIVER. UM, LET'S GO OVER CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT ON A WAIVER. UH, NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE DEFINITELY [00:15:01] HAVE TO HAVE THAT RENDERING THAT THEY SUBMITTED BEFORE THE LAST MEETING AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. THE BUILDING HAS TO LOOK LIKE THAT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY HAS THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD ADD, AND WE WANT SOME LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN HIM AND THE, UH, NEIGHBOR, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL, HIS NEIGHBOR. GOOD IDEA. WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT. I, I'D RATHER LET THEM DECIDE. I DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T LIKE EITHER, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT THEM. WE HAVE SOMETHING THERE SO THAT THE NEXT TIME WE GO THROUGH THIS, SOMEBODY CAN'T SAY, WELL, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM DO IT, SO WHY ARE YOU MAKING US DO IT? I AGREE. RIGHT. AND, AND I THINK WITH THAT OTHER BUFFER, LANDSCAPING IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN FENCE. SO, BOB, MR. UH, MR. CONNER, DID YOU SAY YOU WERE NOT GONNA HAVE A DUMPSTER OR ANY KIND OF A, A THING THERE ON, ON SITE? NO, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, WE DO AS A BUSINESS OWN A, UM, DUMP TRAILER, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY ON THE JOB SITE. AND IF NOT, IT WOULD BE AT THAT BUILDING. SO CAN WE MAKE A CONDITION THAT THERE WOULD BE NO, NO DUMPSTER ADDED TO THE SITE AND THAT THAT'S NO OUTDOOR DUMPSTER UNLESS IT'S, AND IF, UNLESS THEY PUT IT IN A, A SCREENED, UH, ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW. SO DID YOU JUST SAY YOU HAD A MOBILE ONE? YOU HAVE ONE YOU PULL AROUND TO YOUR SITE? YEAH, SO, UM, ACTUALLY ON THAT NOTE, UH, UH, MR. RILEY JUST SAID, UH, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO LEAVE IT ON SITE, UM, WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAKING IT LOOK RIGHT, UM, AND SCREENING IT, I DON'T KNOW, BY FENCE, UH, POTENTIALLY BY FENCE, ALSO BY SECURITY, BECAUSE IT IS A MOBILE, UH, TRAILER. SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE IT, ESPECIALLY ON, UH, BUSY, UH, MCKINLEY PARKWAY, WE WOULDN'T JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE BY AND HOOK ONTO. SO, UH, ULTIMATELY DOWN THE ROAD, UM, I'D HAVE TO TALK WITH ROGER ON, UM, WHAT KIND OF FENCE I CAN PUT UP, UH, IF AT ALL, UH, FOR SECURITY. BUT AGAIN, THAT, THAT, UH, OUR FIRST, UH, FIRST GOAL IS TO, SO IF YOU WANNA PUT A CONDITION THAT IF WE DO HAVE THE DUMPSTER ON SITE, IT MUST BE PROPERLY SCREENED, UH, I WOULD BE COMPLETELY WITH THAT. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S THE LAW. ROGER WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT, BECAUSE LAW REQUIRES SCREENING OF DUMPSTERS. IF ANYBODY PUTS ONE ON SITE, HE HAS TO HAS TO MAKE SURE IT'S PROPERLY SCREENED. CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN HERE IS THAT IF WE HAVE A TRAILER FULL OF DEBRIS, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, THAT'S THE SAME AS HAVING A DUMPSTER ON SITE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT WE HAVE TO TREAT, UH, THE TRAILER AS THE SAME AS A DUMPSTER OUTSIDE. OH, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MUTE THEIR LINE. WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK. I THINK THAT WAS ME. I, I, I SWITCHED TO MY COMPUTER. CAITLIN, THERE'S A CAT BEHIND YOU. I , I GUESS PIP IS GONNA BE A CELEBRITY . THAT'S OUR QUARANTINE. PET . ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? PASTA. CAN YOU COME AND SEE ME NEXT WEEK? MAYBE EVEN WITH YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? OR WE COULD MEET OUT AT THE SITE AS FAR AS THE, UM, WHAT HE WOULD LIKE FOR SCREENING, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'D BE FAIR. HE'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, HE IS A VERY NICE GUY. UH, I JUST CAUGHT HIM OUTSIDE, UM, A COUPLE TIMES. I, WE MIGHT WANNA SEND SOMETHING OUT THERE TOO. SO THE EASIEST WAY IS JUST, UM, ALRIGHT, SARAH, SARAH WILL COMPLETE THE FORM BASED UPON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE AND WORK WITH ROGER AND, UH, AND BILL AND HERSELF TO GET IT ALL SIGNED AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS, IS IN PLACE AND IN THE FILE FOR A SITE PLAN WAIVER. BILL, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A FORMAL RESOLUTION ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S FINE. THE WAY YOU HAVE IT, YOU BASICALLY HAVE AUTHORIZED A WAIVER, WHICH IS SENDING IT BACK TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THOSE THREE CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED ON THE SITE PLAN WAIVER FORM. OKAY. I JUST LOST THANK YOU SIR FOR COMING TO THE MEETING. IT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR UPDATING US. OKAY, THANK, SO BILL, ARE WE JUST ON PAUSE UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK TO START THE REGULAR MEETING? BILL, IF YOU'RE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF LOW BANDWIDTH COMPUTER ISSUE. UH, THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS THAT CAME IN ON THE FACEBOOK LIVE FEED. YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THOSE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE RELEVANT, BUT YOU MAY WANNA JUST, UH, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, I DON'T BELIEVE. [00:20:10] ARE YOU THERE? UH, I HIT SOMETHING SARAH AND I'M GONE AGAIN. OH, YOU'RE THERE. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE MUTED. 'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON AT YOUR HOUSE, . THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO DO AND THAT'S WHY I LOST. I GOT LOST. WELL, WE CAN SEE YOU WELL AT 70 YEARS OLD. I'M A TERRIBLE COMPUTER PERSON, . SO I HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. WELL, WE, I AM TRYING GO DENNIS. LOOKS LIKE HE'S EATING. I CAN HEAR HIM EATING SOMETHING. . YOU CAN HEAR IT. YOU BETTER MUTE YOURSELF WHILE YOU'RE EATING POTATO, DENNIS. OKAY. YEAH, I MUST HAVE BEEN TOO FAR AWAY FROM MY, UH, INTERNET BILL'S BACK. BILL , THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, DID ANY OF 'EM GET TO ANY OF THAT TRAINING THE OTHER WEEK BY ERIE COUNTY OR ANYBODY? ANYBODY ATTEND ON? I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, DREW. I ATTENDED THE ONE THAT YOU SENT THE, THE ONE ON THE SOLAR RENEWABLE LAW. RIGHT. BUT THEY NEVER SENT ME A TRAINING CERTIFICATE OR ANYTHING. DID YOU ATTEND AND DID YOU GET ONE? UH, NO, BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO DAN CASTLE. HE'S SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THOSE. IT WAS ONE FROM DONE BY ERIE COUNTY, RIGHT? NO, IT WAS THE ONE DONE BY HOG HUDSON. RUSS. OH, HUDSON. RUSS. OKAY. HUDSON RUSS. YES. I WILL CHECK INTO THAT. DID ANYBODY ATTEND THE ERIE COUNTY ONE? BECAUSE THAT ONE I KNOW THEY'RE SENDING OUT THE, UH, THE ZONING BOARD MEMBERS ATTENDED THOSE. WHAT'S THAT? ZBA MEMBERS DID ATTEND THOSE. OKAY, LET LET ME KNOW IF THEY GET, 'CAUSE DOES DAN YEAH, THEY GOT CERTIFICATES. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. I WILL CHECK INTO THE HOTS AND RUSTS ONE FOR YOU. BUT THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY DONE BY ATTORNEYS. IT, IT SHOULD GET YOU, WAS IT TWO HOURS OR WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF, CAITLIN? IT WAS BOOKED FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, BUT ONLY WENT FOR AN HOUR. OH YEAH. WELL AN HOUR AND A HALF. YEAH. . UM, I MEAN IT MAY HAVE GONE LONGER. I MADE MY KIDS WATCH IT WITH ME. SO , THEY PROBABLY ENJOYED IT. UM, THEY DECREE IT BORING. YEAH, I PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE STUFF ON SOLAR, THE TOWN BOARD IS HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 8TH ON A SOLAR LAW. UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN APPLICANT INTERESTED IN DOING A SOLAR PROJECT. SO, UH, THEY ARE, THEY HAVE A SOLAR LAW. IT SHOULD BE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE ANY INPUT TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO DREW, YOU WEREN'T ON, I HAPPENED TO UM, WATCH PART OF THAT, UM, TOWN BOARD MEETING. I WAS, THERE WERE SOME CERTAIN QUESTIONS AND I THINK WHOEVER IT WAS SPEAKING WAS, UH, POTENTIALLY AN ATTORNEY. BUT THEY HAD SOME SEMI TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, ANALYSIS OF GLARE AND HOW THAT WORKS. AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH YOU WEIGHING IN OR IF THE PLANNING BOARD WEIGHING IN ON ON SOME OF WHAT'S DONE OR REQUIRED AND HOW THAT'S HANDLED IN OTHER CASES. BUT I THINK, WELL WE MADE IT VERY SIMPLE. WE FOLLOWED SERTA'S LAW, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED ANY GLARE AND THEY HAVE ANTI GLARE REFLECTIVE, UH, UH, MATERIAL ON THEM. WE DIDN'T GET INTO WHATEVER. MOST 99% OF SOLAR PANELS DON'T GLARE NOW, BUT THEY JUST, ESPECIALLY THE HOME ONES, THE TIER ONE ONES, YOU CAN GET SOME CRAPPY ONES. THEY HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT THEY'RE ANTI GLARE. AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF THEY, IF SOMEONE INSTALLED SOMETHING AND WE HAD THAT IN ONE OF MY TOWNS I WORK WITH AND IT WAS GLARING, THEY BASICALLY CONTACTED THEM AND TOLD 'EM THEY HAD TO REMOVE IT OR HAD IT FIXED. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BUT WE FILED NYSERDA GUIDELINES SO NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 'CAUSE IT'S EXACTLY WHAT NYSERDA HAS TO PUT IN ABOUT CLAIRE. SO I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO JUST EXPLAIN THAT TO THE, I THINK THE PERSON JUST IGNORE THAT. YEP. I'M SURE THEY WILL SUBMIT COMMENTS. I'VE TOLD THE TOWN BOARD, I'VE DONE THIS AT LEAST. OH NO, THAT WAS THE TOWN, NOT, NOT THE PUBLIC. THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOWN FOLKS. OH, RIGHT, MR. PETRI. RIGHT. I, I ANSWERED, I WAS AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING THIS MONDAY NIGHT, [00:25:01] WELL BY CALL IN AND I EXPLAINED THAT TO HIM. SO, UM, IF WE GET, AND I TOLD HIM, YOU MAY GET OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE INDUSTRY VERSUS WHATEVER. AND WE DID FOLLOW NYSERDA PRETTY WELL. WE PUT A COUPLE LITTLE TWEAKS IN THE LAW. UM, BUT WE FOLLOWED SERTA'S GUIDELINES. CAITLYN, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE WORK SESSION OR THE MEETING ITSELF? I MUST HAVE LISTENED TO THE WORK SESSION AND NOT THE MEETING. IT WENT ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME. . YEAH. SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE WORK SESSION. YEAH, THAT WAS THIS PAST MONDAY. UM HMM. THAT'S A, YOU WERE THERE IT NO, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU WEREN'T ON IT DREW. 'CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA ASK YOU. SO MAYBE IT WAS LAST WEEK. MONDAY, NOT THIS WEEK. AND THEN THIS WEEK THEY DID ASK ME, THEY HAD SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT GLARE AND ABOUT TAKING TREES DOWN ON A SITE AND WE PUT SOME LIMITATIONS IN THE LAW. WE REFERRED 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE COMING IN OBVIOUSLY CLEARING AN ENTIRE SITE TO PUT IN SOLAR PANELS. UM, WHICH TYPICALLY THEY DON'T DO. BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND ANYTHING OVER SIX TREES. THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE INVOLVED AND HAVE TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF MORE THAN SIX TREES. UM, BUT GOOD, TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAW GUYS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA DEAL WITH TIER ONE GOES TO ROGER, WHICH IS ROOFTOP OR BUILDING INTEGRATED TIER TWO, TIER THREE. THE HIGHER TIERS ALL COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR EITHER SITE PLAN OR SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS. SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAW. YOU SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO DO PROB A TIER THREE FACILITY IN THE TOWN, WHICH A TIER THREE IS BASICALLY A LARGE SYSTEM WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SELL, SELL THE POWER BACK INTO THE GRID. GROUND MOUNTED ON THIS TIER THREE. WHAT'S THAT? ROUND MOUNTED. ROUND MOUNTED. YES. HOW MANY MEGAWATTS DREW? UM, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PROPOSAL. WE JUST GOT A NOTICE IN THE MAIL AND I REMINDED THE TOWN THAT THEY HAD A TELL THEM RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE TOWN. AND B, YOU HAVE TO RESPOND IN 60 DAYS TO TELL 'EM THAT YOU WOULD WANT A PILOT IF THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD. THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE SUBMITTING THESE NOTICES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COVID CRISIS. THEY KNOW THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T RESPOND IN 60 DAYS. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A PILOT. SO WE TOLD THEM A, THEY CAN'T HAVE IT AND B, IF THEY DID, WE WILL WANT A PILOT ON IT. ALSO, THERE'S ALSO A COMPANION LAW, BATTERY STORAGE LAW. BATTERY STORAGE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT, UNLESS IT'S A SMALL RESIDENTIAL UNIT, IT'LL BE COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL. BATTERY STORAGE IS GONNA BE A WAVE IN THE FUTURE. EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE BATTERY STORAGE INSTEAD OF GENERATING SYSTEMS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO BILL, COULD I SAY SOMETHING? UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOT GOING TO BE VIRTUAL. IT'S GOING TO BE IN SEVEN A AND SEVEN B. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPENING UP TOWN HALL ON TUESDAY. OKAY. ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC, ARE WE STILL GONNA SIMULCAST? I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER THE TOWN BOARD TELLS US TO DO AND THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT YET. TOWN BOARD MEETS THE NIGHT BEFORE YOU SO THEY'RE GONNA BE, THE GUINEA PIG MEETING DID, DID THIS. EITHER WAY WE SHOULD KEEP DOING THIS WITH THE BROADCASTING IT ON THE INTERNET. MORE PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT. YEAH, IT LIKE JENNY SAID THE OTHER DAY, THAT MAY BE WAY, THE WAY WE GO FORWARD. YEAH. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND THIS IS THEM BY SIX FEET, ET CETERA. WELL WE HAVE SEVEN A AND SEVEN B RESERVE. SO AT LEAST WE'VE GOT THAT BIG ROOM ANYWAY. SORRY, IT'S, IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SARAH, ARE YOU GONNA SEND US WHATEVER, UM, PLAN THEY HAVE AND PRECAUTIONS THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN PLACE FOR THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS? IF WHEN I, YEAH, WHEN I, WHEN I FIND OUT WHAT IT IS. OKAY. YEAH, I I THINK WE COULD SET IT UP THAT THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ARE THERE OUT ENOUGH, BUT HAVING PUBLIC COME IN, THAT'S, WELL, SO SOCIAL SOCIAL DISTANCING HASN'T CHANGED YET THOUGH, RIGHT? AND HAVING GATHERINGS MORE THAN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE EITHER I WOULDN'T THINK A GOOD IDEA. CORRECT. THERE'S STILL, THIS IS JENNY. UM, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WOR, THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A POLICY FOR COMMITTEES. UM, AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING I'M HOPING BY THE END OF THE WEEK AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT SITUATION. UM, IF WE, I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH THE BOARD THAT HAVING THESE MEETINGS, UM, LIVE STREAMED OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASSUME THE RESIDENTS WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. SO I AM WORKING ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE. SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. UM, IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO A NORMAL MEETING [00:30:01] ROOM SESSION, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO CONTINUE TO LIVE STREAM IF WE DON'T USE WEBEX AT THIS POINT. WELL, WE COULDN'T JUST HAVE SOMEBODY'S PHONE USE WEBEX AND STREAM THE MEETING THAT WAY. UM, POSSIBLY IT WOULD DEPEND. WE WOULD HAVE TO TEXT IT OUT, UH, TO SEE WHAT, HOW THE BANDWIDTH WOULD WORK DOWNSTAIRS. UM, I'M NOT, I THINK WE MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO TEST IT AND I JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN I, I THINK EVEN WHEN, WHEN WE CAN HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BROADCAST THESE. UM, AND I, I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN'T WATCH 'EM LIVE AND WE'VE HAD A LOT MORE PEOPLE WATCH THESE AFTER THEY'RE RECORDED THAN WATCHING 'EM LIVE TOO. JUST THE ONES THAT HAVE GONE UP BY THE DOWN BOARD AND US AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S DOING THEM, SO. RIGHT. SO I AM LOOKING TO TRY TO EITHER MAKE ONE, AT LEAST ONE ROOM WITHIN TOWN HALL, A SMART ROOM WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO STREAM MEETINGS SUCH AS THE BOARD MEETING AS WELL AS THE PLANNING OR ZONING BOARD. SO, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SOLIDIFIED AT THIS POINT. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. WHAT, WHAT'S THE RUSH TO GET BACK THERE? I'M, I'M REALLY NOT, NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, SOME OF MY STUFF GOING OUT AND SITTING WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO BE HONEST. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. I'M, YOU KNOW, I, BILL, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU 'CAUSE I'M NOT NECESSARILY COMFORTABLE WITH IT EITHER. SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US THE POLICY BY THE END OF THE WEEK, THEN WE'LL HAVE IT AND WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE THE MEETING AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO. WELL, THE PROBLEM IS TOMORROW I NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS A VIRTUAL MEETING OR A REGULAR MEETING. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GO IN THE PAPER AND THE SUPERVISOR SAID AT THE WORK SESSION THAT STARTING NEXT WEEK, THE PUBLIC CAN COME INTO TOWN HALL, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE PRECAUTIONS AND THAT THE MEETINGS, THE, THE, THE BOARDS WILL BE MEETING IN PERSON. SO THE SUPERVISOR IS NOT MY DOCTOR. WHEN MY DOCTOR, YOU KNOW, I SUPERVISOR DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T CARE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M AT RISK ON CERTAIN THINGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUTTA THE HOUSE EXCEPT TO PICK UP, UH, STUFF AT A DRIVE-THROUGH AND, UH, YOU'RE GONNA WANT ME TO COME IN THERE WITH 30 PEOPLE? I, I DON'T THINK SO. LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN, UM, NOT AT THE MEETING AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO JENNIFER ABOUT IT. AND AS FAR AS THE NOTICE GOES, I MEAN, THE NOTICE IS GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT THE WAY THE TOWN BOARD DIRECTS IT AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH WHAT WE GOT. OKAY. CAN THE NOTICE GO OUT AS A HYBRID SO THAT IT ALSO INCLUDES THAT? WE'LL, REGARDLESS, STREAM IT ON ON FACEBOOK, I'D REALLY LIKE IT IF IT WENT THAT WAY. I MEAN, I'D LIKE IT TO GO THAT WAY FOR, FOR EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD. UM, BUT THAT'S, IT IS GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. I'LL, I'LL TALK TO JENNY. YOU AND I CAN TALK TOMORROW. OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. ANYTHING THAT I CAN DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? I WILL. I JUST CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO IT'S AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK. UM, WELCOME TO THE MAY 20TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. VERY GOOD MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH. WELL AF AFTER THE MISTAKE LAST TIME I HAD TO, UH, GO TO A CIVIC CLASS WHERE THE FLAG YOU HAVE BEHIND YOU EARLIER. I, I DID, BUT I HAD MOVED BECAUSE THE INTERNET WASN'T AS GOOD IN THE BACK, SO I MOVED TO THE FRONT. YEAH, I PUT THAT ONE THERE SPECIFICALLY SO I COULD, I COULD DO THAT, BUT, ALRIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING. MARK ANO REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE CRAFT WINERY AT 6 7 3 6 BOSTON STATE ROAD. OKAY, MR. ANO ON, I'M HERE. OKAY. UM, SO THE PUBLIC [00:35:01] HEARING STILL OPEN. DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? WE DID NOT. SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WITH BEING NO COMMENTS. UM, ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, DID EVERY ON THE PLANNING BOARD GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS? ANY OPPOSITIONS TO, UH, GOING INTO THE RESOLUTIONS? RIGHT. OKAY. YOU LEFT. SORRY, I'M TALKING, I'M TALKING TO THE MUTE BUTTON. . OH, OKAY. . YEAH, NO, I'M ALL SET WITH IT. OKAY. UH, DO YOU WANNA READ RESOLUTION? USUALLY IT'S CAITLIN, ISN'T IT? YEAH. CAITLIN'S THE VICE CHAIR, RIGHT? CAITLYN READS THE NOTICE TO OPEN THE HEARING. THE VICE CHAIR READS THE RESOLUTIONS. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. I LIKE THAT RULE. WANNA WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT. YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU, DON'T YOU? OKAY. YEAH, YOU DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF ME. OH, IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, I CAN READ 'EM FOR YOU. I GOT DOUG. UM, IF I CAN GET 'EM FIRST HERE. I GOT IT. OKAY. ON MY SCREEN IF YOU WANT 'EM. YEAH. SO, UH, I MAKE A MOTION, UM, REGARDING SEEKER, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLANT APPLICATION FROM MARIO PELICANO TO OPERATE A CRAFT WINERY AT 67 36 BOSTON STATE ROAD. WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND PROJECT AT SEVERAL MEETINGS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SECRET HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH CCRA HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND OPERATION OF A CRAFT WINERY AT DISLOCATION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND OPERATION OF A CRAFT WINERY IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION APPLICATIONS FROM MARIO PELICANO TO OPERATE A CRAFT WINERY AT 67 36 BOSTON STATE ROAD. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT AS DESCRIBED MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A CRAFT WINERY AS SHOWN IN SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 42 OF THE TOWN ZONING CODE. WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND PROJECT AT SEVERAL MEETINGS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 12 AND TWO 80 DASH 3 26 0.4 CRAFT WINERY. THAT ONE, THIS PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 12. SPECIAL USE PERMITS. TWO. THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. THREE. THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE. FOUR PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE. FIVE. THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFIC SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 26 0.4 A. A CRAFT WINERY ACCESSORY ACTIVITIES MAY INCLUDE DEPENDING ON SITE LOCATION ATTRIBUTES THE FOLLOWING, ONE. WINE TASTING TWO, RETAIL SALE OF WINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE LAW AND MUST BE MADE ON SITE THREE, [00:40:01] RETAIL SALES OF RELATED PRODUCTS AND SOUVENIRS. B THE MINIMUM ACREAGE OF THE LOT USED FOR A CRAFT WINERY SHALL BE FIVE ACRES AND MUST BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING REQUIRED SETBACKS, ET CETERA. MINIMUM ACREAGE IS MET. C CRAFT WINERIES WITH RETAIL SALES WILL NEED TO SHOW ADEQUATE PARKING AND SCREENING FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES. THERE'S ADEQUATE EXISTING PARKING ON SITE D. ALL MANUFACTURING PROCESS ACTIVITIES AT STORAGE MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. ALL ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE WITHIN A STRUCTURE E MANUFACTURING PROCESS. BUILDINGS MUST BE LOCATED A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES LOCATED ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UNLESS A SIGN OFF LETTER IS RECEIVED FROM SUCH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USE, THE SITE MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT. F THE WINERY MUST OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL NEW YORK STATE LAWS. AN SLA LICENSE HAS BEEN RECEIVED NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE. THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE PERIODIC STRUCTURAL INSPECTIONS OF THE FACILITY TO ENSURE THE PROPER MAINTENANCE OF ALL STRUCTURES AND THE ADEQUATE CLEANUP OF LITTER. TWO, THE PROJECT DOES NOT INVOLVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW STRUCTURES, ANY NEW STRUCTURES PROPOSED WILL REQUIRE THE REOPENING OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THREE. THE SITE WILL BE OPERATED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE SLA LICENSE ISSUED BY NEW YORK STATE AND INCLUDES THE GROWING OF GRAPES, THE PROCESSING OF GRAPES, BOTTLING OF WINE IN A SMALL TASTING ROOM, AND MINOR RETAIL SALES OF WINE RELATED PRODUCTS. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RUNNING OF LARGE SPECIAL EVENTS AT THE SITE MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK. SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION. CARRIE THREE SITE PLAN, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PELICANO WINERY TO BE LOCATED AT 67 36 BOSTON STATE ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE. APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON ANY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. COMMENTS TWO. THE PROJECT DOES NOT INVOLVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. A VOTE BY MS. MCCORMICK. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARE. MOTION. DOUG? UH, YOU SKIPPED OUT ON A, A LONG ONE THERE. THAT WAS A SMART MOVE. . . SO MARIO, YOU I SECOND MARIO WAS ALL SET. PLEASE WORK WITH SARAH AND ROGER ON, UH, AND GETTING YOUR FINAL S UH, PERMIT SO YOU HAVE IT. HAVE IT IF ANYBODY QUESTIONS YOU ON IT, YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING, ST. FRANCIS HIGH SCHOOL OF ATHOL REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 4 1 2 9 LAKESHORE ROAD. DID WE RECEIVE ANY COPIES OR ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? WE DID NOT. OKAY. NO COMMENTS. I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING. UM, ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DON'T THINK SO. THIS WAS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE. SHALL I, UH, READ THE RESOLUTION? YES. PULL IT UP HERE, BUT YOU CAN START READING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY ST. FRANCIS HIGH SCHOOL OF ATHOL TO BE LOCATED AT 41 29 LAKESHORE ROAD. BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, REVIEWED THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS AND INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED A MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK. SECOND BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE ST. FRANCIS HIGH SCHOOL OF [00:45:01] ATHOL TWO LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED. TWO, THE FILING OF A MAP COVER IS WAIVED. UM, AND THERE WERE NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS ON THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. A MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK. SECOND. SECOND BY MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A MOTION CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BATTERY POST REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR A PROPOSED PROJECT AT 4 1 0 9 ST. FRANCIS. FIVE. ANY? YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD RESOLUTION ON BATTERY POST RELATED TO THE, UM, THE FENCING AND SCREENING ISSUE. UM, WAS THAT A LINGERING QUESTION FROM THE LAST MEETING? IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT OR DREW, DREW COULD. UM, I SPOKE WITH ROGER AGAIN, UM, THE OTHER DAY AND HE ALSO TALKED TO DREW. HE SAID THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A C TWO USE AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE SCREENED. IT'S HE, HE SAID IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE A USED CAR LOT, THE TRACTOR SUPPLY OR COLTON RV. AND HE SAID IF, IF YOU WANNA REQUIRE THAT THEY, THAT HE SCREENS IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SCREENED. AND I'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH SARAH. I DID SPEAK TO ROGER, UM, FOR A WHILE AND WE WENT THROUGH THE CODE AND HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE USE AND THEN AUTOMOTIVE USE THERE IS THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR WHEN IT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL. WE DID THAT WITH COLTON RV ON CAMP ROAD WHERE IT ABUTTED RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK. THEY HAD TO PUT A LARGE FENCE UP AND SCREENING, ET CETERA. WHAT ROGER DID AGREE WITH WAS UNDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S TYPICALLY APPROVED. IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WANT ASK IT IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT DON'T REFER TO ANYTHING IN THE LAW AS REQUIRED SCREENING OR BUFFERING. SO I THINK THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT ROGER AND I AGREED ON AFTER WE SPOKE A WHILE AND WALKED THROUGH THE CODE. IT'S BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO HIS INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE USE IS UNDER THE CODE. IT'S A VERY, NOTHING LIKE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT IN THE CODE. UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING BETWEEN A USED CAR LOT AND, AND WHATEVER. SO IT'S HIS INTERPRETATION AND IT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN RELATION TO, UH, CAMPING WORLD OR COLTON RV WHERE THEY'VE GOT BIG THINGS SALE THAT ARE JUST OUT THERE AND THEY'RE NOT SCREENED. UM, AND I, I THINK THEY DO RENTALS OUTTA THOSE LOCATIONS TOO. UM, WHAT DO, WHAT DO THE OTHER MEMBERS THINK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, WELL, I, BILL, CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. BILL, LOOK AT YES, DOUG, I CAN HEAR YOU. YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY? OKAY, YOU CAN SHUT ME OFF TOO. , UH, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF A USED CAR LOT AND OR COLTON'S AND IT, THOSE ARE ALL PLACES WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN GO AND LOOK AT. THIS IS JUST MORE LIKE A STORAGE AND NOT, AND THE PUBLIC DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE NEAR THIS PROPERTY. IT'S NOT OPEN FOR PUBLIC. IT'S JUST HE'S JUST STORING 'EM THERE. AND HE WANTS A PRETTY, HE WANTS THE BREAD CHAIN LINK SO NO ONE STEALS THE THINGS AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. THERE'S NOT PEOPLE WALKING AROUND LOOKING AT 'EM LIKE, LIKE A USED CAR LOT OR ANY, ANY OF THOSE LOTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THESE THINGS ARE NOT FOR SALE. THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE FOR THE OWNER TO GRAB, TO LOAD, TO TAKE SOMEWHERE. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? THE CHAIN LINK'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SCREENING. OH, NO, NO. I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S MORE LIKE A USED CAR LOT, WHICH REQUIRES ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. AND I'M SAYING NO, IT DOES NOT. DOUG, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A USED CAR LOT. IT'S NOT A COLTON STORING ANYTHING. IT'S NOT JUST STORING, IT'S JUST KEEPING IT THERE FOR, FOR NO ONE'S SUPPOSED TO GO BACK THERE EXCEPT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, DOUG, AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. AND HE'S PUTTING IN A FENCE, A CHAIN LINK FENCE LIKE HE HAD IN THE OTHER PART. NO ONE STEALS THEM. YEAH. YEAH. I AGREE WITH DOUG. I WAS OUT THERE, I WAS OUT THERE A COUPLE TIMES AND I'VE TALKED TO THOSE GUYS. THEY'RE JUST GONNA EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE IS WHAT THEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT ANOTHER RIGHT. ANOTHER 20 YARDS. IT'S, IT'S LIKE HE SAID IT, LIKE HE SAID IT. I, I HAD TO GO TO A, A PRIVATE AREA, A ENTRANCE TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT 'EM. YOU CAN'T JUST ENTITIES AND WALK UP AND TOUCH 'EM. THERE IS A FENCE ALREADY EXISTING. I THINK WHAT THE GUY TOLD ME THE LAST I TALKED TO HIM, [00:50:01] HE WAS JUST GONNA EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE ANOTHER RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I GOT. DOUG, DOUG SHAW. UM, WHAT DO YOU WANT UM, ROGER'S AGREEING WITH YOU. HE'S SAYING WE DON'T SCREEN USE CAR LOTS. WE DON'T SCREEN COLTON RV. WE DON'T SCREEN, UH, TRACTOR SUPPLY. SO YOU, YOU TWO ARE IN AGREEMENT. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T SCREEN THEM SO WE SHOULDN'T SCREEN THIS. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. SURE. I I TALKED TO HIM YESTERDAY. LIKE HE SAID, UH, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ANY ANYWHERE NEAR THERE, SO THERE'S REALLY NO, NO NEED TO SCREEN IT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? SO IN A ROUND AND ABOUT WAY, WE ALL AGREE ? YES, WE DO. DOUG, SARAH, DID YOU CONFIRM THE WETLAND DELINEATION THAT WAS REQUESTED? YEAH, I SENT THAT TO YOU GUYS. SORRY, YOU, WE HAD A LOT OF 'EM FROM YOU. YES. AND WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THAT WETLAND DELINEATION? I'M JUST TRYING TO PULL THAT UP NOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU, BUT I, I TALKED OR I EMAILED, UH, SUSAN KING THAT NIGHT I BELIEVE, AND SHE CONFIRMED THAT SHE DID SEND SOMETHING TO US SUBSEQUENT TO THE, OUR REQUEST AND SHE SENT IT TO ME AGAIN. CAITLYN, I CAN'T PULL IT UP IF YOU WANT. YEAH, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. CAN YOU JUST, YEAH. GREAT. YEAH, I DON'T MIND. OKAY, THERE WE GO. MAX SAID THAT HE THOUGHT THIS WAS, UH, SUBSEQUENT AS WELL. DECEMBER 30TH, 2019. YES. CAN YOU CONFIRM THE DATES THEY WERE IN THE FIELD? SURE. I CAN LOOK THROUGH. UM, DELINEATION WAS DECEMBER 24TH, 2019. YOU DON'T TYPICALLY DO DELINEATIONS IN OUTSIDE OF THE GROWING SEASON. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WERE GONNA CONFIRM THE VEGETATION IF THEY DID THAT ON CHRISTMAS EVE. THERE WAS NO SNOW . SUSAN IS SUSAN KING ON THE CALL? YEAH. I'LL PUT BACK UP THE MAIN PAGE. IS ANYBODY FROM BATTERY POST ON THE CALL? I SENT THE INVITE TO KING. YEAH. IT SAYS THE FIELD WORK WAS COMPLETED ON DECEMBER 24TH, 2019 USING THE HANDHELD GARMENT. THE LOCATE, THE, THE GPS IS JUST THE LOCATION. THE, THE PART THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS THERE'S THREE PART TESTS THAT ONE OF THE THREE IS VEGETATION AND THAT'S WELL OUTSIDE THE GROWING SEASON. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, YOU KNOW RIGHT. HOW DID THEY DO THAT? WELL, THIS, THIS IS DREW, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT THEIR WETLANDS DELINEATION, BUT WE'LL NOTE TO THEM THAT IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY FINE IF THEY'RE FILLING IN FEDERAL WETLANDS. SO IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH DOING, AND I AGREE WITH CAITLYN, NORMALLY THEY'RE NOT DONE THAT TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE ARMY CORPS MAKES IT ON VEGETATION AND SOIL. SO MAYBE HE JUST WENT OUT AND CONFIRMED PREVIOUS ONE, BUT WE'LL PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT. I MEAN, IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM IF THEY'RE FILLING IN WETLANDS. I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH A WETLANDS CONSULTANT, BUT CAITLYN MAKES A GOOD POINT. I MEAN IT'S, YOU REALLY DON'T DO HIM THAT TIME. I MEAN, AND I KNOW IT WAS, I RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAD A WARM SPELL AROUND THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS AND I, BUT THERE WAS SOME COLD WEATHER WHERE IT WAS COLD AND SNOWING BEFORE THAT. SO THERE'D BEEN A HARD FREE FROST BEFORE THAT. SO I JUST, I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON THIS BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING TOO FURTHER, SINCE THEY'RE NOT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. ANOTHER IDEA WE COULD DO IS, IS WE COULD ASK THE ATION ADVISORY BOARD OUT THERE AND CHAT TOO AS PART OF THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS DAY FINE. I MEAN, CAN WE GET THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO GO OUT BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING AND REPORT BACK? DO I DUNNO IF EITHER OR NOT? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? CAN WE GET THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO GO [00:55:01] OUT AND TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS DELINEATION, UM, IN ADVANCE OF OUR ANY RESOLUTIONS OR DECISIONS ON THIS? SO YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK AT THE DELINEATION AND VERIFY IT OR WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THEM? I MEAN, I GUESS THEY COULD GO OUT AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THE VEGETATION IS CONSISTENT OR APPROPRIATELY REP REPRESENTED IN THIS REPORT OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THAT THIS REPORT DONE IN DECEMBER ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE CURRENT ONSITE CONDITIONS. YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM TO DO THAT. UM, LET'S ADDRESS, I'M JUST NOT SURE. I, I MEAN I WOULD JUST, I MEAN IF THE EARTH DIMENSIONS COULD, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A JUSTIFICATION ON WHY THEY DID THAT AND WHY THEY THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE, I, I'D BE OKAY IF THE APPLICANT COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING, BUT I, I JUST THINK IT WELL, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS RIGHT NOW. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS PRO PROJECT? OKAY, SO THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN TABLE BATTERY POST TO MEETING MEETING IN JUNE 3RD. JUNE 3RD. UH, WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED. UH, SO WE'LL ASK THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON WETLANDS DELINEATION. THE SCREENING ISSUE, I THINK IS RESOLVED THAT WE'RE ALL SATISFIED THAT THE SCREENING IS ADEQUATE AND, UH, SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE . MAKE A DECISION AT THEIR NEXT MEETING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD PLAN TO EVERYBODY? AS, AS BILL, AS LONG AS THIS IS DREW IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES YOU WANT THE APPLICANT, UH, TO ADDRESS? SO IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE DOWN TO THE WETLAND ISSUE. WE RESOLVE THE FENCING. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? LET'S, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS BROUGHT UP, WE SHOULD, WE HAVE TO DO THAT NOW. WE CAN'T MEETING NEXT TIME AND THEN COME UP ON ELSE. ANY OTHER ISSUES OTHER THAN THE WETLANDS REMAINING ON THIS PROJECT? SO, SO JUST THE WETLAND ISSUE? WE'LL, WE'LL ASK CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO WEIGH IN. UM, THE APPLICANT CAN HAVE THE PERSON WHO DID THE WETLAND DELINEATION JUSTIFY THE DATE THAT THEY DID IT AND YIELD CONDITIONS. RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE READY TO, TO FINISH THAT ONE UP. OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BATTERY POSTED JUNE 3RD. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY BYFORD. MRS. C*M. OKAY. YEP. WAIT, BILL, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT HEAR WHAT YOUR RESOLUTION WAS. IT'S TABLING. OH, OKAY. SORRY. IT'S TABLING. SO, SO THE APPLICANT CAN WEIGH IN ON THE WETLANDS AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD CAN WEIGH IN ON THE WETLANDS. I SAY NO, YOU DON'T WANNA TABLE IT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO, UM, I GUESS LET'S PULL THE BOARD ON THE TABLING THEN. UM, SAYS NO, AL NO, NO. UH, MEGAN? YES. YES. DENNIS. YES. BOB? NO, I'M GONNA SAY YES, I'M . THAT'S, UH, THAT'S FOUR THREE TABLE IT. WOW. A CONTENTIOUS VOTE TABLE. THAT'S SOMETHING. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT QUARANTINE DOES TO YOU. QUARANTINE DOES, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION. YES. UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS THOUGH, IF THIS IS ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S WINTER AND THEY'RE NOT GR NOT A GROWING SEASON FOR THEM TO ACCURATELY DETERMINE WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE, UH, SHOULDN'T THAT BE THEN, THAT WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE THEIR, UH, ANYTHING. THEY SAY THAT THE CAB DURING THE WINTER SEASON, SINCE NOTHING IS GROWING ALL WINTER. IF WE, IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT COMES [01:00:01] THROUGH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS, UH, ONE WEEKEND OKAY. IT, AND WHEN WE CAN'T, WELL, SO THE GROWING SEASON IS NOW, SO BY SETTING THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD OUT NOW TO DO SOME PLANT IDENTIFICATION, THEY COULD CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT WHATEVER CONCLUSIONS WERE MADE IN DECEMBER OR VALID OR NOT. I MEAN, IF THEY COME BACK WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF SPECIES OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT MAY QUESTION WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE FIELD IN DECEMBER. I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF THE APPLICANT WAS HERE AND HAD SOMEBODY TO SPEAK TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT I DID RAISE AT THE LAST MEETING, THEN THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLEAR THIS UP. BUT YOU SEE MY QUESTION IS THAT THAT'S THE BIG THING. IF THEY HAD SOMEBODY HERE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE, THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS WHEN WE DID IT, THIS IS WHY WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A VALID, UM, WETLAND DELINEATION. IF, IF THEY WERE HERE TO ANSWER THAT, THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE GET IT AND NOT HAVE TO TABLE IT. OKAY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA ASK HIM TO DO BETWEEN BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN THEN. OKAY. I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN. YEAH. OKAY. AND IT'S IN MY, MY ANSWER IS STILL NO, BUT GO, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND IF, AND IF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD DID SOMETHING IN THE WINTER, WE COULD, WE COULD ASK THEM, OKAY, WHAT, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS OKAY? AND THEY'D, THEY'D TELL US. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S BATTERY POST IS TABLED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CHARM, A DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 4,074 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING MEDICAL FACILITY LOCATED AT 2 8 1 8 PLEASANT AVENUE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS STILL OPEN. DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS PROJECT? WE DID NOT. BEING NO COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY QUESTIONS BY ANYONE ON THE BOARD ON THIS PROJECT? UM, THIS IS DREW. JUST TO SAY WE DID RESOLVE THAT ONE ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP ABOUT A NEIGHBOR WHEN WE APPROVED IT LAST TIME, UH, SARAH AND REACHED OUT TO RICK RICARDO, WHO WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND RICK SAYS, YES, IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF, WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE HAVING TO DO WITH DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING OR OTHER AND IT WAS RESOLVED. ANYTHING ELSE BY ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? OKAY. DOES SOMEBODY WANNA VOLUNTEER TO READ THE, THE RESOLUTION? ALL RIGHT, WELL, OH, GOOD. BOB'S VOLUNTEERING. GOOD. GREAT. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE 4,074 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SHARMA MEDICAL COMPLEX 2 8 1 6 PLEASANT AVENUE. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH COORDINATED REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND WHERE AS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATIONAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE OR THE HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT THE NEGATIVE DEC DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED. AND B, IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN EAF. OKAY. MOTION MR. MAHONEY. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. MCCORMICK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION AYE. CONTINUE. THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE REVIVED SITE PLAN FOR THE SHARMA MEDICAL COMPLEX PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 1 0 9 ST. FRANCIS DRIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS. NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MAY 6TH, 2020. NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AND THERE ARE NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA. OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S THE WRONG ADDRESS. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY 41 0 9 6. OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. ALRIGHT, WELL YOU READ IT RIGHT BOB, IT WAS PRINTED WRONG. YES. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO 2 8 1 8 PLEASANT AVENUE INSTEAD OF 4 1 0 9 6 2 8 6. [01:05:02] WAIT, IT SAYS 2 8 1 6. IT SHOWS 2 8 1 8 ON THE PLANS, BUT IT ON OUR GIS IT'S 2 8 1 6. I'LL FIX IT. OKAY. SO MOTION I'LL BY MR. WHAT WAS THAT? I JUMPED IN, I SAID I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. MOTION BY MR. PONEY. SECOND BY MR. SHAW. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S HOPE I DON'T JUMP. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING. GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE SENIOR APARTMENT PROJECT LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. PROVISIONS INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF A FENCE DOG PARK, THE REMOVAL OF TWO DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES, ADDITION OF TWO FIVE CAR GARAGES AND THE ADDITION OF NEW PARKING SPACES. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING. SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. OKAY. NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANYTHING TO THIS? WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT AS FAR AS THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. UM, ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE OF DOING THE RESOLUTIONS TODAY? YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM? SURE. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE GLENN WETZEL SENIOR APARTMENT PROJECT ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING, AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, CCRA HAS DONE A THOROUGH COORDINATED REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS. AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED EDITION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED EDITION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF SECOND MOTION, MCCORMICK SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CARRIED. THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE GLENN WETZEL SENIOR APARTMENT COMPLEX PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS. ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MAY 6TH, 2022. THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA. MOTION MCCORMICK SECOND BY SECOND, MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. UM, HEY, THIS IS, UH, CHRIS WOOD. CARMINA WOOD MORRIS. YES. CAN, CAN WE GET A COPY? CAN WE GET A COPY OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENT LETTER? YOU DONE THAT YET? NO. NO, NO. I THINK, I THINK CAMMIE'S ON, ON THE LINE. YOU, I AM. THE LETTER WENT . YOU SARAH? YEAH, I I I CAN EMAIL IT TO CHRIS OR YOU CAN, WHATEVER. OKAY. I JUST WANNA VERIFY, I, I'M ASSUMING IT'S PROBABLY THE COMMENTS THAT WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT CAN BE APPROVED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. SURE. I CAN EMAIL THAT TO YOU. I CAN'T DO IT UNTIL TUESDAY THOUGH, CHRIS. THAT'S OKAY. I MANAGED TO PULL IT UP. I WILL SEND IT OVER. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA IS TON FAMILY TRUST REQUESTING REZONING OF A PORTION OF 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD FROM A C2 TO RA AND REQUESTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION. BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD. THEY HAVE ASKED TO BE TABLED. OKAY. MOTION TO TABLE. OKAY. MOTION TO TABLE CHAPMAN. SECOND. SECOND. SECONDED. SECOND. OH. SECOND BY [01:10:01] MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. AYE. OKAY. LAST ON THE AGENDA IS JAMES CLEARY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CREATE A WEDDING EVENT CENTER LOCATED AT 6 6 5 3 TAYLOR ROAD. AND THIS ONE IS NOT A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE ALREADY DID THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE AND CLOSED IT, RIGHT? NO, WE DIDN'T. NO, NO. I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS YET. NO, WE DIDN'T. NO. YEAH, I CAN TRY. SO, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? GOOD EVENING, THIS IS SEAN HOPKINS. OKAY. I THINK ALSO ON THE PHONE IS CHRIS WOOD, WHO JUST SPOKE A MOMENT AGO AND JIM CLEARY, WHO WE WATCHED MAKE A GRAND ENTRANCE FROM UPSTAIRS IN THIS HOUSE. UH, WE'RE HERE TO SEE THE CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT 66 53 KELLER ROAD. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE IT'S NOTED AS SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT THIS JUNCTURE WHERE WE'RE AT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER. IF ULTIMATELY YOU ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THIS HAS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. AND OF COURSE, WE'LL BE SUBMITTING FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS THAT HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY CAMMI. SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR SEEKER. WHILE WE ALREADY HAVE FILED THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE PLACE WHERE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HOLD A HEARING YET. SO I DID DO A BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UM, THAT I WAS HOPING COULD GET PULLED UP. I THINK IT'LL HELP PROMPT THE DISCUSSION SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT. YEP, I'VE GOT IT UP, BILL. HOPEFULLY IT'LL GOT IT UP. OKAY. THANK WHOEVER DID THAT. HERE WE GO. THAT'S MEGAN. SHE'S ON TOP OF IT. THANK MEGAN. NOT A PROBLEM. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OBVIOUSLY. I THINK I COVERED THAT. OKAY. SO THE SITE ITSELF IS ABOUT 14 AND A HALF ACRES, ACTUALLY 14.6 ACRES. AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE HUG 18 MILE CREEK ON THE BACK. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY IMPACT WHATSOEVER IN THAT VICINITY. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS TAKE THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH, AND REPLACE IT WITH THE BUILDING IN ALMOST THE SAME LOCATION. THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING WILL BE 5,080 SQUARE FEET. IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED IT, AND WILL INCLUDE 3,360 SQUARE FEET OF SECOND FLOOR SPACE. SO PART OF IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. PART OF IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING. I THINK MANY OF YOU RECALL THE CONCEPTUAL COLOR ELEVATIONS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED. WE ARE SHOWING A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN GRAY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE SHOWN CONCEPTUALLY AT THIS JUNCTURE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE LANDSCAPING FOR BOTH THE PARKING AREA AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY THAT COMES IN ON THE SITE, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S ADJACENT. I ALREADY NOTED THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE FUTURE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. MEGAN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SURE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SO THIS IS A, THIS IS THE TOPOGRAPHIC AND BOUNDARY SURVEY OF THE PORTION OF THE SITE CLOSER TO TAYLOR ROAD. YOU CAN SEE IT WOULD EXTEND FURTHER BACK. IT JUST GETS TOO LARGE. I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING WHERE THAT EXISTING BUILDING IS TODAY. THAT IS THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH THE NEW BUILDING. AGAIN IN APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LOCATION, IN COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND SCALE. WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND AS I PROCEED, UH, BOARD MEMBERS DO FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND THIS IS MEANT TO BE JUST ME PRESENTING. SO WE HAVE PREPARED A PRELIMINARY STORM DRAINAGE PLAN. AND I'M SHOWING THIS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE. THE SITE DISTURBANCE WILL BE ABOUT 2.9 ACRES OF THE 14, UH, 0.9 ACRES SITE. SO APPROXIMATELY 20% OF THE SITE WILL BE DISTURBED, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE INSTALLING THE PARKING LOT. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS PROPERTY IS STRANGE IN THAT THERE'S A 1976 LEASE WITH THE TENNIS CENTER THAT LASTS FOREVER. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BUBBLE FOR THE TENNIS CENTER IS, UM, THAT WILL STAY IN PLACE IN PERPETUITY UNTIL THE TENNIS CENTER ULTIMATELY MAY DECIDE THEY'RE NO LONGER INTERESTED. BUT WE HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THAT LEASE. WE, OF COURSE, WILL NEED TO GET SWIFT APPROVAL BECAUSE OUR DISTURBANCE IS GREATER THAN ONE ACRE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL NEED TO DESIGN OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO COMPLY WITH THE STRINGENT DEC STORMWATER QUALITY GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO HOLD A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT. ALL OF THAT DOCUMENTATION WILL BE NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY CAMMI AS PART OF THE SITE CREDIT APPROVAL PROCESS. SO THAT'S A CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLAN. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WE'RE ALREADY TAKING ALL THIS STUFF INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE PROCEED. YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, MEGAN? THAT'S THE GRADING PLAN. CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN. I JUST [01:15:01] WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE IS. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS, UH, THERE IS DECENT TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT REALLY DROPS OFF AT THE BACK ALONG 18 MILE CREEK. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY IMPACT IN THAT AREA. CHRIS, I DUNNO IF YOU ANY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD IN TERMS OF THAT? NO, I I JUST POINT OUT THAT, UP THE DRIVEWAY UP BY THE, UH, BY TAYLOR ROAD, UH, THAT, THAT AREA, THE SITE CURRENTLY SLOPES TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR AND WE ARE GONNA PUT A, A YARD DRAIN IN THERE TO PICK THAT UP. SO IT, IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, SHIFT FLOW ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. YEAH. THE OTHER THING, THE NEIGHBORS. SO WE HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET WITH A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS AFTER A COUPLE OF YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. WHAT, UH, IN RECENT TIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRADING PLAN THAT AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED GRAY BUT LIGHTER. THERE'S A DITCH THAT ALREADY CROSSES THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT APPROACHES THE BACK OF THOSE TWO PARCELS ON TAYLOR ROAD. THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE LET US KNOW THAT THAT DITCH HAS NOT BEEN WELL MAINTAINED. SO WE HAVE INSURED THE NEIGHBORS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. UH, WE WILL DO ANYTHING THAT'S NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THAT DITCH APPROPRIATELY AND BRING IT BACK TO ALL FUNCTION AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT BEEN OCCURRING, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP. WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, OBVIOUS, I JUST PUT THIS TOGETHER. EVERYONE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE AT, WHY YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING. BASICALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS OBVIOUSLY SEEKER IS NOT LIMITED TO SOLELY ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. YOU NEED TO BALANCE IT WITH SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO WE, WE THINK OVERALL IN TERMS OF A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE WIDE ASSORTMENT OF OPTIONS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE PROPOSED BUT NOT APPROVED, WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST OPTION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DILIGENT, WE DID DO, UH, PART ONE OF THE AF DESPITE THE FACT THIS IS A, UM, UNLISTED ACTION COORDINATED REVIEW HAS BEEN CONDUCTED. AND OBVIOUSLY ULTIMATELY YOUR SECRET SUBSTANTIVE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO TAKE, IDENTIFY THE RELEVANT AREAS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN, TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THOSE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION. WHAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR HERE IS THE ISSUANCE OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. LEMME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, WHILE MATT WAS STILL AROUND BEFORE HE GOT CALLED UP FOR RESERVE DUTY, HE DID SEND OUT THE LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER ON APRIL 15TH. WHY THE START OF INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES HAD TILL MAY 15TH TO RESPOND. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NONE OF THE AGENCIES EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. HE DID PROVIDE THEM WITH THE EAF LOCATION MAP, THE SITE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE TRIP GENERATION LETTER. DO YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO WHILE THIS PROJECT CLEARLY ISN'T LARGE ENOUGH TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, DURING ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND I THINK IT WAS IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, YOU ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT TRAFFIC IMPACTS. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE RETAINED THE SERVICES OF SRF ASSOCIATES TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM OUT OF ROCHESTER TO COME UP WITH A TRIP PROJECTION LETTER FOR THIS. SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND COMPARED IT TO THE HISTORICAL USE OF THE PROPERTY, THE TENNIS, SWIMMING, AND SOCIAL CLUB. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, WE'RE NOT COMING HERE THIS EVENING SAYING, HEY, IT'S AN OPERATION, IT IS NOT. BUT TO COMPARE IT TO WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY IN TERMS OF THE USE AS A WEDDING AND EVENT CENTER. THE TARGET MARKET IS WEDDINGS ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS DURING GOOD WEATHER CONDITIONS. UH, ROGER FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ASKED JIM TO PREPARE A MISSION STATEMENT. HE DID THAT IN LATE DECEMBER. AND WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE IS WEDDINGS ON SATURDAY, FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR EVENING EVENTS WOULD BE 5:00 PM 10:30 AM DAYTIME EVENTS WOULD BE 1:00 PM TO 6:00 PM SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY 26 WEDDINGS ON SATURDAYS AND 26 WEDDINGS ON SUNDAYS. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO WEATHER CONDITIONS, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL. UM, ALL THE OFFSITE, ALL THE FOOD WILL BE PREPARED, OFFSITE DELIVERED. SO THERE'LL BE NO COOKING FACILITIES KITCHEN ON SITE. THE SOUND SYSTEM ITSELF, I WANNA NOTE AGAIN, WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE FACILITY OPERATOR. PEOPLE CAN'T BRING THEIR SPEAKERS, THEIR BOOM BOXES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WE ARE GONNA CONTROL NOISE LEVELS. SO IN TERMS OF TRIP GENERATION, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UNFORTUNATELY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS DOESN'T HAVE A PRECISE CATEGORY FOR WEDDING EVENTS. SO BASICALLY [01:20:01] WHAT SF ASSOCIATES WAS REQUIRED TO DO WAS LOOK IN THEIR DATABASE AND THERE WAS TWO OTHER PROJECTS THEY CAN COMPARE IT TO. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, THEY'RE IN VANCOUVER. BUT THEY DO GIVE US A GOOD, GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE TRIP GENERATION RATE WOULD BE AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. AND WHAT THEY CONCLUDED WAS THAT DURING FRIDAY AFTERNOON, EVENING, PEAK HOUR, THE TRIP GENERATION RATE WOULD BE 0.26 TRIPS PER PERSON. AND ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS 0.29, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT'S AN ESTIMATE THAT CAN FLUCTUATE ON A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF FACTORS, BUT THE TRIP GENERATION ITSELF IS RELATIVELY LOW. THE OTHER THING THAT'S TO NOTE, AND THIS IS BASED ON TECHNOLOGY, YOU'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE EVENTS MORE RECENTLY, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARRIVE VIA ALTERNATIVE MEN MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. WHETHER IT'S A CHARTERED SHUTTLE BUS, A SHUTTLE BUS FROM A NEARBY LODGING FACILITY, UBER, LYFT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WE ARE PROJECTING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE CAPACITY AT ANY TIME WOULD BE 200 GUESTS. IT'S BEEN DESIGNED SO IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN THAT. WE HOPE THAT ON A GOOD EVENT THERE'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 160 GUESTS. AND KEEP IN MIND IT'S UNLIKELY THAT A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THOSE OF GUESTS WILL ARRIVE IN A, IN AN IN INDIVIDUAL CAR OCCUPIED BY THE MOTORIST ONLY. SO WE THINK THAT WILL REDUCE THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACTS. WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY CONCLUDED WAS LOOKING BACK AT THE HISTORICAL USE, THE TENNIS BUBBLE, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS THERE, IT WILL NOT BE OPEN DURING THE WEDDING EVENT SEASON. IT'S OPEN DURING THE WINTER, IT'S A WINTER ACTIVITY. WE DID THE TRIP PROJECTION FOR THAT, INCLUDED IT IN THERE. AND THEN SRF WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IN ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS PROJECT WARRANTS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. IT DOESN'T. THE APPLICABLE THRESHOLD THAT'S UTILIZED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AS WELL AS THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS IS A HUNDRED TRIPS DURING AN HOUR AT AN ADJACENT INTERSECTION HERE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE THE INTERSECTION OF OUR DRIVEWAY AND TAYLOR ROAD. SO WE DO NOT EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD. I WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M ENTIRELY ACCURATE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I PUT IT THE ACTUAL CHART, TABLE ONE FROM THE TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE FIRST ROW, THE FORMER USED WILLOW BEND CLUB 63 ENTERING 38 EXITING DURING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR ON SATURDAY PEAK HOUR 67 ENTERING AND 71 EXITING. WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AT FULL CAPACITY UP TO 200 GUESTS IS 51 ENTERING DURING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR ONE EXITING ON THE SATURDAY PEAK HOUR 55 ENTERING THREE EXITING. OF COURSE, THAT'S BECAUSE THE PEAK HOUR IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE ARRIVING. PEOPLE TEND TO ARRIVE OVER A SHORTER TIME PERIOD THAN THE WHEN THEY LEAVE. AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE ON THE BOTTOM ROW WE HAVE THE TRIP GENERATION FOR THE TENNIS BUBBLE. IT'S LIMITED TO TWO TENNIS COURTS, SO OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T GENERATE MUCH TRAFFIC. YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT TABLE ONE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THAT'S PULLED RIGHT FROM THAT REPORT. ULTIMATELY THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WERE ISSUED BY SR ASSOCIATES WAS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE RELATIVELY LOW TRAFFIC DURING THE PEAK HOURS AND AS SUCH THAT IT WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS IN THE STUDY AREA. SO WE HOPE THAT YOU FOUND THAT TO BE INFORMATIVE AND WE DID SATISFY THE OBLIGATION THAT YOU REQUIRED US TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE TRIP GENERATION WOULD BE FOR THIS PROJECT. GO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WE ALSO DID REACH OUT TO THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS RECREATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO GET THEIR INPUT ON APRIL 27TH. UH, THEY ISSUED A LETTER ISSUED TO, UM, CARMINA WOOD MORRIS, WHICH IS THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND BASICALLY THEIR CONCLUSION BASED ON THEIR REVIEW OF THE PROJECT WAS THAT NO PROPERTIES, INCLUDING ARCHEOLOGICAL AND OR HISTORICAL RESOURCES LISTED IN OR ELIGIBLE FOR THE NEW YORK STATE OR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT. SO THIS PROJECT WILL NOT IN THE OPINION OF SHIPPO, HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON CULTURAL OR HISTORIC RESOURCES. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. ONE COMMENT LETTER WE DID GET THAT WE THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE TO PRESENT IS, UM, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM JOSEPH MCNAMARA WHO'S AN ENGINEER AT THE ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT. IT WAS ON APRIL 16TH. HE HAD EIGHT COMMENTS, UH, ALL OF WHICH ARE RELATIVELY [01:25:01] STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE SITE ITSELF IS LOCATED ERIE COUNTY SANITARY SEWER DISTRICT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. ALL THE SANITARY SEW INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NEED TO BE DESIGNED, REVIEWED, AND APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS. COMMENT THREE WAS WHETHER OR NOT CAPACITY ANALYSIS REPORT WILL BE REQUIRED. WE DON'T THINK IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE'LL BE GENERATING LESS THAN 2,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER FLOW A DAY. BUT ULTIMATELY WE'LL HAVE TO GET THE APPROVAL FROM ERIE COUNTY BEFORE THE FINAL DECISION IS MADE ON THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PROPERLY ABANDON THE EXISTING BUILDING SEWERS PER THEIR REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. THEY NOTED A GREASE TRAP WILL BE REQUIRED. THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE. GREASE TRAP WILL BE INCLUDED. AND THEN FINALLY THEY ASKED US TO CONSULT WITH THEM IN TERMS OF PRELIMINARY SANITARY SEWER PLANS IN ADVANCE OF FINAL SEWER DESIGN. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CARINO WOOD MORRIS ALWAYS DOES THAT. SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT. THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THIS SLIDE, SOME OF YOU RECALL FROM THE JANUARY FEBRUARY MEETINGS IS THERE IS A PRIVATE PUMP STATION ON THE SITE TODAY, HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. IT'S OUTDATED AND REALLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WHILE IT'S GONNA COME AT GREAT COST. UH, WE'LL BE REPLACING THAT EXISTING PRIVATE PUMP STATION IN ITS ENTIRETY AND REPLACING IT WITH A BRAND NEW PRIVATE PUMP STATION ALONG WITH ALL RELATED SANITARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS MADE CLEAR THEY'VE HAD FOR MANY YEARS. SO WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT. I WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. JUST WANNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT THIS EVENING. UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'RE IN A POSITION YOU COULD CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. KEEP IT IN MIND THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT BY THIS BOARD AND OTHER BOARDS AS WELL AS INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES IS NOT DONE AT THIS JUNCTURE. WE'RE AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. UH, CHRIS, THE NEW, UH, THE NEW PARKING, THE NEW PARKING FOR HUNDRED CARS, IS THAT GONNA BE WHERE THE EXISTING TENNIS COURT IS NOW? UH, YEAH, I BELIEVE I BELIEVE A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT WILL BE THE, THE OUTDOOR TENNIS COURT THERE NOW. CORRECT. SO THEN, THEN THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW, NOW WHAT'S, IS THAT JUST GONNA BE AN ADDITION OR IS THERE GONNA BE SOMETHING, OR IS PART OF THE BUILDING GONNA BE BUILT THERE? NO, THE, THE EXISTING TENNIS BUBBLE ITSELF WILL, WILL REMAIN BECAUSE THAT BUBBLE, THE EXISTING PARKING, THE PARKING'S CLOSER TO THE, TO THE DRIVEWAY TO THE ENTRANCE, THAT THAT PARKING'S GONNA BE TAKEN OUT AND WILL BECOME GREEN SPACE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THE BUBBLE WILL NOT BE TORN DOWN, UH, BECAUSE I GUESS THEIR CONTRACT SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY MAY 1ST, BUT NOT THIS YEAR. I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE IT UP, CORRECT? WELL, NO, I, NO, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THEIR LEASE ACTUALLY SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE DOWN. UH, JIM AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. WHILE WE DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM A LOT OF PRESSURE, I MEAN, WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL BE REMOVED FOR THIS SEASON AS IT'S REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE LEASE. WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO DO THAT YET BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE SITE. NO, NO, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHEN YOU DO, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE A CONDITION, CORRECT? YES. I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S ALREADY IN THE LEASE. SO THEY WILL HAVE, YEAH. RIGHT. ONCE WE TAKE OVER THIS AND OPERATE OUR FACILITY, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE BUBBLE DOWN BY MAY 1ST. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND THEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, JOHN, YOU DID THE, YOU DID THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, UM, MAP IS GOOD, YOUR DIAGRAM IS GOOD AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE SITE GENERATION TRIPS. BUT DID YOU DO, DID ANYBODY DO ANY KIND OF A STUDY ON EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES ON TAYLOR ROAD? NO. NO. SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IS WHAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WILL BE GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT. THEY DIDN'T DO A, A MACRO LEVEL ANALYSIS OF TAYLOR ROAD ITSELF. AND AGAIN, WE DON'T MEET THE WARRANTS FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF OUR SCOPE. I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU DISCUSSED THAT THE HUNTER PARKING SPACES WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED USE OF UBER AND LYFT. AND THEN IN THE PRESENTATION YOU FURTHER SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE 51 CARS COMING IN AND ONE OUT DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. IT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE WITH THE UBER AND LYFT COMMENT, AND THEN FOR SATURDAYS IT WOULD BE 55 AND THREE. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT TOOK AN ACCOUNT, THOSE CARS LEAVING THE EVENTS AFTER THEY DROPPED OFF THEIR RIDERS AND COMING BACK LATER. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEP, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RIGHT. THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE VEHICLES THEY EXPECT TO RECEIVE. AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A CATEGORY IN THE NATIONAL DATABASE IN TERMS OF WEDDING CENTER, YOU KNOW, A A LITTLE BIT OF IS THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT. [01:30:01] BUT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RIGHT, THAT SOMEONE COULD BE ARRIVING VIA LYFT AND THAT CAR COULD BE GOING RIGHT BACK OUT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TRIPS LEAVING DURING THAT PEAK, PEAK HOUR WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVING WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WAY LOWER THAN THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT'LL BE COMING IN. BUT THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE WAY TRAFFIC THAT STREET WILL BE EXPERIENCING IT'S COMING ONGOING TRAFFIC. YEAH. BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, SO IT'S A GOOD, GOOD EXAMPLE. HOPEFULLY WHEN THAT'S OCCURRING, IT'S ACTUALLY REDUCING THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE OCCUPANTS PER VEHICLE IN THOSE SITUATIONS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL COULDN'T ARRIVE BY LYFT. WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN TARGET LOCAL LODGING FACILITIES AND THEY WILL UTILIZE, TYPICALLY WHAT THEY HAVE IS A FREE SHUTTLE SERVICE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH TO THE CENTER. AGAIN, REMEMBER THIS IS A LOCAL BUSINESS, SO WE REALLY WANNA COLLABORATE AND HAVE SYNERGIES WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. THAT MEGAN, THAT WAS A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I, I OBSERVED THAT TOO. BUT ALSO WE MENTIONED THEY HAVE THE CABIN ABOUT A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE ROAD. THEY HAVE EVENTS, BASICALLY THE SAME SCHEDULES THAT MR. CLEARY WAS GONNA, IS GONNA SCHEDULE OR HAVE SO MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU DIDN'T DO THE WHOLE TAYLOR ROAD STUDY BECAUSE THERE'S A WILLOW BEND IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY HAVE A HUNDRED CARS, APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED CARS IN THAT COMPLEX. PLUS IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT DOWN IN THE CABIN AND IT EXITS THE SAME TIME AS THE EVENT HERE, NOW YOU HAVE A, NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. YEAH. BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT, AND I, AND IT'S NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE AT ALL, THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS ALREADY THERE ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM. SO IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR FOR US TO ANALYZE THE IMPACTS OF THAT PARTICULAR TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR PROJECT IS AND AGAIN, IT REALLY DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARD FOR A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. THE OTHER GOOD THING IS, AND YOU GUYS KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU TAYLOR ROAD BETTER THAN I DO, THE PEAK HOUR FOR THIS PROJECT GENERALLY DOESN'T CORRELATE WITH THE PEAK HOUR FOR TRAFFIC IN GENERAL ON TAYLOR ROAD. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC OUT THERE OUTSIDE THOSE HOURS. WELL, IT, WELL, EXACTLY. THE, THE PEAK HOURS ARE THE KEY. BUT YOU ALSO INDICATED IT'S, IT'S EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THE A WEEKEND EVENTS. AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I, AGAIN, I I HATE TO BRING THAT BACK UP, BUT WITH OTHER EVENTS COULD HAPPEN DURING THE WEEK AND THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. SO, AND THAT THAT IS TRUE. WE OKAY, GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. NO, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU THEN MENTIONED AT THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU WERE HOPING, UM, THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY WOULD USE LOTTING FACILITIES TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH. YEP. WONDERING WHAT LOTTING FACILITIES YOU HAD IN MIND, GIVEN IT'S MORE OUT OF THE WAY PLACEMENT FROM THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. I'M WONDERING WHAT LOTTING YOU HAD PLANNED, IF THAT WAS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC AND PARKING. YEAH, I THINK KIM, KIM, YOU'RE ON THE LINE. ARE YOU DIALING SO YOU CAN SPEAK? SO I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO USE THE HOTELS FOR THE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THEN HOTELS AND OR WE WILL FIND, 'CAUSE I DID THIS WITH A WEDDING WITH MY DAUGHTER RECENTLY. UM, WE WOULD GET A SHUTTLE AND THE ONE THAT WE HAD, WE HAD ABOUT 30 PEOPLE ON IT COMING FROM A HOTEL. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY COME IN, THEY DROP THE PEOPLE OFF. THE WEDDING EVENT ENDS AT 10 O'CLOCK, THE SHUTTLE IS THERE, THEY GET ON THE SHUTTLE AND THEY GO BACK TO THE HOTEL. OKAY. SO YOU, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU THAT, THAT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 10 PEOPLE, THERE COULD BE 30 PEOPLE, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN, IF THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AND THEY'RE FLYING AND THEY AREN'T RENT A CAR, THEY HAVE TO SHUTTLE BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE ANTICIPATING USING HOTELS THEN AS YOUR LOBBYING AREA IS NOT ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. THE HOTEL THAT MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON-IN-LAW ARE GONNA CONTACT THE HOTEL BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA STAY NEAR WHERE THE FACILITY IS. SO THEY'RE GONNA WANNA COME OUT TO THE, THE HOTELS ON CAMP ROAD. THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE HOTELS ON CAMP ROAD, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTACT THEM WITH, WITH HOPES THAT PEOPLE WOULD STAY THERE AND GO TO THE RESTAURANTS IN TOWN AND GO BACK AND FORTH FROM THE, UH, FROM THE HOTELS. YOUR FACILITY WILL NOT HAVE A PERMANENT, UH, LIQUOR LICENSE? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. [01:35:01] ABSOLUTELY NOT. I ALSO, THE CATERER, THE CATERER SUPPLIED THE LICENSE. YES, YES. OKAY. AND WE'LL NOT HAVE, WE WILL NOT HAVE A, WE WILL NOT HAVE FOOD EVER. OKAY. AND ON THAT NOTE THEN, THE SEWER AUTHORITY DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE COMMENTS FROM THE AREA COUNTY, UM, SEWER DIVISION, IT'S MM-HMM . MADE A CONDITION OR A SUGGESTION ABOUT A GREASE TRAP FOR A KITCHEN OR FOOD PREPARATION AREA. IS THERE GONNA BE A KITCHEN THERE THEN? IF THERE'S NO FOOD BEING CREATED THERE? THE ONLY THING THAT WILL BE THERE IS, UM, A PREP AREA. THERE WILL NOT BE A STOVE, UH, ANYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PREPARE FOOD THERE. NOTHING, A LARGE REFRIGERATOR FOR DESSERT WHEN THEY BRING, IF, IF PEOPLE WANT DESSERT, YOU HAVE, IF, AND IT'S, AND IT'S A COLD DESSERT, WE'LL HAVE A REFRIGERATOR. UM, WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS AT THESE FACILITIES IS THE, BEFORE THE, THE CATERING FACILITY WILL, OR CATERING COMPANY WILL, UH, WASH THE DISHES. DISHES, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SCRAPE 'EM INTO A GARBAGE CAN AND THEY MAY END UP JUST RINSING BECAUSE THERE'S NO DISHWASHERS, THERE'S NO CLEANING FACILITY FOR ANY OF THE PLEATS SILVERWARE GLASSES. THAT ALL GOES BACK TO THE CATERING COMPANY. THEY'RE ALL CLEANED OFFSITE. WELL, JIM, HOW DOES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FIGURE IN THIS? IF YOU HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED BECAUSE, UH, AT OUR POST, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE CATERERS COME IN AND WE DO THINGS, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HEALTH PERMIT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING WATER. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN DISPOSE OF THE SCRAP. AND WHEN THEY DO THE DISHES, THAT HAS TO RUN INTO A, A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SO I'M CONFUSED AS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PREPARE FOOD. YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KEEP, LIKE, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE COLD, COLD? UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THIS IN MY HEAD. ANYBODY, AND I'VE GONE TO, THEY'VE HAD ALL THAT ON, ON SITE. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THOSE FACILITIES HAVE COOKING. THEY ACTUALLY DO THE COOKING ON SITE. THIS, THIS FOOD WILL ALL COME OFFSITE, ALL PREPARED, TOTALLY PREPARED. THEY'LL PUT IT INTO, THEY'LL PUT IT ON THE PLATES OR THEY'LL PUT IT AND IT'LL BE A BUFFET TYPE THING. UH, PEOPLE WILL FILL UP, THIS WILL EAT RIGHT. OKAY. THEIR FOOD, THEY'LL EAT, THE, THE CATERER WILL TAKE THEIR PLATES WHEN THEY'RE DONE, THEY'LL SCRAPE 'EM INTO, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE CANS INTO BAGS, WHICH WILL BE DISPOSED OF. AND THEY TAKE THEIR PLATES, THEIR GLASSES, THEIR SILVERWARE HOME. WELL, HOW, HOW WOULD THEY KEEP THE, THE, THE ADULT BEVERAGES COLD? I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A REFRIGERATOR FOR DESSERTS, YOU KNOW, DOES HE? WE'LL HAVE A REFRIGERATOR JUST FOR DESSERTS. ALRIGHT, SO THE CATERER HAS TO BRING IN HIS OWN ICE BUCKETS AND SO ON? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YEAH, WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM WITH ANY ON SITE. UH, WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM WITH ICE. WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM WITH ANY, THEY BRING THEIR OWN GLASSES. THEY BRING THEIR OWN NAPKINS. THEY BRING THEIR OWN EVERYTHING. BASICALLY. YOU, YOU, YOU RUN OUT TO, BASICALLY YOU RUN OUT THE HALL TO THEM AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, OKAY, THANK YOU, JIM. ARE THEY ALSO, BUT WHAT I WANNA MAKE, WHAT I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THOUGH, MR. CHAPMAN , ARE THEY ALSO RESPONSIBLE, ARE THEY ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THE SCRAPS AND ALL THE TRASH AND EVERYTHING? UM, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'LL HAVE A TRASH CONTAINER. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. WELL, THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF WILD, THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING JIM, THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA. A A LOT BECAUSE I, I SEE IT EVERY DAY. IF YOU OVERNIGHT, IF WE HAD ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY CONTAINED WITH A FENCE. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS. NOTHING WAS, I, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WILL GET, GET AT IT. WELL, YOU SAID MR, YOU SAID TO MR. CHAPMAN, THEY'LL DISPOSE THE DISHES AND EVERYTHING. I WORRY ABOUT THE SCRAPS AND THE EXTRA FOOD AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS. YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO DUMP IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO SEWAGE LINE. YOU SAID YOU CAN'T SCRAPE IT INTO, UH, SO WHERE'S THAT FOOD AND SCRAPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE GO? IS IT THE CATERER GONNA TAKE IT WITH 'EM OR, THAT'S MY QUESTION. [01:40:02] I WOULD GUESS THAT THEY WOULD REMOVE IT BECAUSE THEY REMOVE EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING THEY BRING IN, THEY TAKE OUT. WELL, COULD YOU ? YEAH. AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND EVERYONE, THIS IS SEAN, WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SITE PLAN PAROLE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT RELEVANT IN TERMS OF SECRET. SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT WHEN WE COME BACK. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. CHAPMAN'S COMMENTS IS WHILE THE FACILITY WILL BE LEASED, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT JIM WILL HAVE HIS STAFF THERE. SO IT WON'T BE JUST, HEY, YOU LEASE THE EVENT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU VACATED. IT WILL ALL BE SUBJECT TO MANAGEMENT, OVERSIGHT, RULES, REGULATIONS, AND, YOU KNOW, REGULATING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A FREE FOR ALL WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. I, I THINK HE MADE THAT CLEAR LAST TIME THAT HE WOULD'VE PEOPLE ON SITE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THINGS DIDN'T GET OUTTA HAND. YEAH. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE REITERATED THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. UM, THIS IS DREW. UH, SEAN, REMIND US YOU'RE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR A USE VARIANCE. THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING ZONING, OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT ALLOW THIS USE. OKAY. SO IF I REMEMBER, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. THE PLANNING BOARD THOUGH, HAS DECLARED THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST, THE FIRST APPROVAL NEEDED IS GONNA BE THE USE VARIANCE. AND THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK FOR, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THEY NEED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. THEY CAN'T GET THE VARIANCE WITHOUT A NEGATIVE DEC BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD IS DECLARED THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY. THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. SEAN IS CORRECT. THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED FOR THE SECRET PROCESS, BUT WE TYPICALLY HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING OR A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET INPUT. THE SECRET LAW DOES REQUIRE THE PUBLIC TO, TO BE AVAILED OF COMMENTING AND, AND PROVIDING INPUT. SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE GONNA TRY TO DECIDE TODAY WAS TO HAVE A POTENTIAL, WHETHER YOU WANNA CALL A PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC MEETING AT THE NEXT MEETING, COMPLETE PART TWO AFTER WE GET PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN MAKE OUR DECISION AT THAT NIGHT. I THINK TONIGHT'S MEETING'S ABOUT HAVE WE GOTTEN ENOUGH INFORMATION? IS THERE ENOUGH INFORMATION? DO YOU MAKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL DECISION ON THE RECORD? YOU HAVE TRAFFIC INFORMATION. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS I LIKE SRF TO, TO ADDRESS. I, I'M MOSTLY CONCERNED, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COMPARISON TO WHAT THE TRAFFIC WAS GENERATED AT THE SITE BEFORE. 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE'S NO USE AT THE SITE NOW OTHER THAN THE TENNIS CLUB. UM, SO I REALLY WILL JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT THAT TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT'S 50 60 CAR TRIPS PER HOUR ENTERING ONTO TAYLOR ROAD AT THAT POINT IS GOING TO BE SAFE. THAT'S ALL. I REALLY CARE ABOUT THE NEAREST INTERSECTION. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD. SO THE COUNTY'S GONNA HAVE SOME SAY, BUT WE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE SAFE. THAT YOU'RE GETTING 50, 60 CAR TRIPS PER HOUR AT PEAK ONTO THAT ROAD AND IT'S GONNA BE SAFE. UM, THE SEWER CAMIE CAMIE WILL GIVE US INPUT ON THE, ON THE SEWER AND WHETHER SHE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TODAY THAT A PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE AN, AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES? UH, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP ISSUES OF, I THINK THEY'RE RELEVANT. UM, YOU GUYS WERE ASKING ABOUT, UH, TRASH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW THE TRASH IS GONNA BE HANDLED. SO I THINK YOU NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE AN ONSITE DUMPSTER OR IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OFF, OFF OF SITE. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. IT'S A SECRET QUESTION. UM, ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I, I BELIEVE WE, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. THIS IS IN THE CEA, THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA. 'CAUSE IT BUTTS 18 MILE CREEK. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AGAIN, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CEA DOES. ALL IT DOES IS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THE ISSUES THAT RELATE TO WHY 18 MILE CREEK IS A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHY IT'S CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA IS TO KEEP POLLUTION FROM THE CREEK, WHICH WILL BE, IF WE HAVE SEWERS HERE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP ANY POLLUTION FROM GETTING INTO THE CREEK AND JUST BECAUSE OF ITS ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE AND BEAUTY AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. UM, SO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND WHEN DOING THE, YOU SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN YOUR NEGATIVE DECLARATION BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE CEA. UM, DREW THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN PROPERLY GO THROUGH PART TWO OF THE AF DREW ANSWER, UH, FOR, THEY'RE GOING TO SEEK FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS VARIANCES, WHATEVER, BUT THEY MAKE COMPARISONS WITH THE FORMER WILLOW BEN TENNIS CLUB. WHY DO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT WITH THIS? WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T, I MEAN, ALL THEY WERE DOING THAT WAS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF TRAFFIC. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE AND SEEKER, THIS IS A USE VARIANCE. IT IS A USE [01:45:01] NOT ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE TO SAY WHY ALLOWING THIS USE THAT WOULD NOT BE NORMALLY ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT IS NOT GONNA HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. SO LOOK AT YOUR PART TWO OF YOUR EAF GUYS, YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THOSE. BE PREPARED FOR THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS? UH, I SAID MY, I WANT 'EM TO ADDRESS THE, THE INTERSECTION THAT THERE'S 50 TO 60 CAR TRIPS AT THAT INTERSECTION. WE HAVE PROPER SITE DISTANCE, ET CETERA FOR THAT. UM, YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, UH, SOLID WASTE. WE'VE ASKED ABOUT THE SEWER, WHICH WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SEWER DOESN'T OVERFLOW AND GET INTO THE CREEK. UM, AND CAMMIE WILL HELP US WITH THAT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS NEED IN PREPARATION FOR THAT NEXT MEETING? IF THAT'S WHAT THIS, WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO? I'M SUGGESTING WE ADVERTISE THIS AS A PUBLIC MEETING, PUBLIC HEARING, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO TO GET PUBLIC. WELL, YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN ADDITION TO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, WE COULD, WE COULD DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. BUT I THINK WHAT SEAN IS SAYING IS, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN? BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING. THE SECRET LAW SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET, ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT. ONE WAY WE DO THAT IS THROUGH PUBLIC MEETINGS. UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE. HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE WORD OUT AND GET PUBLIC INPUT AND THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE THAN THE, THAN THE LAST TIME WE MET. WE ORIGINALLY MET ON THIS. THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS WHO SHOWED UP AND HAD SOME QUESTIONS. CORRECT? THERE WAS ONE YEAH. THE ONE WOMAN NEXT DOOR, SHE WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SANITARY SEWER PROBLEM. YES. SO WE CAN HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THE SEEKER AT OUR NEXT MEETING. WELL, WE WON'T CALL A PUBLIC HEARING SEEKER. THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED ON SEEKER. WE CAN, WE CAN CALL RIGHT? AND AND NOTICE IT. JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THE PUBLIC INPUT AGAIN. UH, SOMEHOW WE'LL WORK WITH SARAH TO GET THE WORD OUT WITHOUT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, HAS HAD THEIR FINAL SAY ON THIS BEFORE WE MAKE THE SECRET DECISION, WHICH IS A HUGE DECISION. WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE COULD HEARING THE SITE PLAN AND THEN RE HOLD ANOTHER ONE WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE SEAN'S SAYING THAT, LOOK, LET US GET THROUGH THE USE VARIANCE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A A BETTER PLAN. SO, SORRY DREW, I THOUGHT IF WE WERE GONNA DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN, THAT THAT MEANT THAT WE WERE DEEMING THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION COMPLETE. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN A SITE PLAN. THAT'S THE SUBDIVISION LAW. SUBDIVISION LAW SAYS AFTER COMPLETE SEEKER, BEFORE I CAN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, BUT FOR SITE PLANS, YOU CAN HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE'LL HOLD ANOTHER ONE. IT DOESN'T, WE'RE NOT DEEMING IT COMPLETE. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. MATTER OF FACT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS ONCE WE MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WE DO START SECRET TIMEFRAME. I MEAN, OTHER TIMEFRAMES, APPROVAL TIMEFRAMES. BUT THIS DOES REQUIRE A USE OF VARIANCE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I'LL HAVE JENNIFER LOOK INTO THAT. MAKE SURE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE TIMEFRAMES FOR SITE PLAN. I DON'T REALLY THINK WE NEED TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. I MEAN, TO NOTIFY THE SAME PEOPLE TWICE SEEMS KIND OF REDUNDANT. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITHOUT THE, THE VARIANCE, WERE PROBABLY NOT READY FOR A SITE PLAN PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN'S NOT COMPLETE. BUT WE'RE READY TO RECEIVE PUMP INPUT ON THE SEEKER. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S AN AWKWARD SITUATION WHEN THE FIRST APPROVAL IS ANOTHER BOARD APPROVAL AND YOU WANT TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY. WE KNEW THAT GOING IN BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAS BETTER SUITED TO DOING SEEKER THAN THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. AND, BUT IT BECOMES AWKWARD BECAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE ANOTHER APPROVAL BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO OUR ACTIONS. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PEOPLE TWICE. I'M NOT, I CAN'T REALLY SEE A WAY AROUND IT RIGHT NOW. SO ARE WE SAYING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING? I'M NOT. I'M CONFUSED NOW. NO, NO. THEY'RE SAYING INPUT ON SEEKER. YEAH. PUBLIC INPUT ON SEEKER PUBLIC INPUT MEETING. YES. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. A PUBLIC MEETING WITH PUBLIC INPUT ON SEEKER. YEAH. RIGHT. SO DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE ONLY GONNA TAKE COMMENTS RELATIVE TO IN THE ENVIRONMENT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? WE'RE GONNA GET COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT ITSELF. YEAH, WELL IF THEY'RE RELEVANT, BUT 90, 90% OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE GONNA RELATE TO THE ENVIRONMENT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA COMMENT ON SEWER, THEY'RE GONNA COMMENT ON DRAINAGE, THEY'RE GONNA COMMENT ON TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE ALL SECRET ISSUES. MY POINT IS THEN THE SECOND ONE KIND OF BECOMES REDUNDANT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY THE SAME THINGS, BUT, WELL, I THINK WE STILL SHOULD DO IT TWICE. ESPECIALLY IF, YOU KNOW, THINGS GET PUSHED OUT FURTHER. PEOPLE HAVE MORE OP, GETTING MORE COMMON IS NOT BAD. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE [01:50:06] UNDERSTANDS POINT OF VIEW, VIEW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA COMPLETE ALL THE STUFF UNTIL I KNOW I'M GONNA GET THE USER AREA, BUT WE NEED ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISION. YEAH. DREW, I WANNA CHIME IN ON THAT JUST SO YOU KNOW. I MEAN CHRIS CAN CHIME IN AS WELL. WE ALMOST HAVE ALL THE ENGINEERING DONE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE, IT'S JUST WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TIMING WISE, SO, OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT WAITING. WE GOTTA KEEP MOVING. SO, SO LET'S GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD BILL. LET'S HAVE A, A MEETING WITH PUBLIC INPUT. WHEN DO YOU GO IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD? WELL, WE HAVE, WE CAN'T GO IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD TILL YOU ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION. SO, OKAY. I TALKED TO SARAH ABOUT THIS THIS AFTERNOON. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JULY, UNFORTUNATELY. I SEE. SO, SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL HAVE TO GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT. WE'LL, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT FOR, AND THEN, UH, THEN GO FROM THERE AND A SITE PLAN WILL COME BACK IN JULY OR AUGUST, RIGHT? YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS, IS WOULD THE BOARD AT LEAST BE WILLING TO CONSIDER HAVING, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE WORK ON ANYONE'S PART. UH, THE CONSULTANTS PREPARE AT LEAST A DRAFT SECRET DETERMINATION SO THAT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT MEETING, THEN WE COULD BE DONE WITH SEEGER. ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL PREPARE DRAFT TWO AND GET IT OUT TO EVERYBODY SO THEY CAN BE PREPARED TO GO THROUGH PART TWO MAKING YOUR COMMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO PREPARE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PART THREE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN I'LL ALSO, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ME TO PUT TOGETHER A NEGATIVE DECLARATION JUST IN CASE THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. YES. AND IF YOU DO THAT IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THEN, IF A NEGATIVE DECK IS ISSUED EARLY IN EARLY JUNE, COULD YOU SET A SITE PLAN PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY? CAN WE DO THE SITE PLAN PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO LOOKS AT THE PROJECT? YES. YES. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU DO, IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE. YEAH. WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS YOU CAN'T ISSUE A DECISION ON THE SITE PLAN UNTIL THAT, AFTER THAT OCCURS. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT. UM, PROBABLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO. WHAT, UH, CAN YOU REMIND ME, THE ZONING BOARD MEETS TUESDAY NIGHTS BEFORE US. THEY MEET THE FIRST TUESDAY FIRST, THEY MEAN THE FIRST TUESDAY WERE THE NIGHT BEFORE US. WELL, NO, 'CAUSE IN JULY THEY MEET AFTER YOU, SO OH, 'CAUSE OF THE 4TH OF JULY? NO, 'CAUSE THE FIRST, I THINK THE FIRST IS A WEDNESDAY, SO OKAY. THEY MEET ON THE SEVENTH. SO BEFORE WE WRAP UP, COULD WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CLEARLY GET YOU ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. COULD WE JUST GO OVER, LET ME, LET ME PRESENT WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO GET YOU, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT TRASH REMOVAL AND GET YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT'S GONNA OCCUR. THAT'S EASY. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE TRIP GENERATION LETTER PREPARED BY SR ASSOCIATES. DREW SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT IMPACT, IF ANY, THOSE TRIPS WILL HAVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OUR DRIVEWAY. AND TAYLOR, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT, OR DID YOU MEAN A NEARBY INTERSECTION? THAT ONE'S THE, THAT ONE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME. I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS YOU'RE GENERATING BY THE TIME YOU GET OUTTA THE FACILITY AND GET TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION, AS YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL 'CAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. BUT 50, 60 TRIPS PER HOUR AT A, AT A DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE. I'M NOT JUST NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IS, IS FINE FOR THAT. I'M ASSUMING IT IS, BUT, OKAY. AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN AND THEN THIRD PER MEGAN'S, MEGAN'S COMMENT, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH SRF ASSOCIATES AND TELL THEM, HEY, THERE'S A QUESTION ASKED ABOUT VEHICLES EXITING DURING THOSE PM PEAK AND SATURDAY PEAK HOURS. IT SEEMS LOW IF WE'RE GONNA BE USING THOSE ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE FOLLOW UP ITEMS. OKAY. THE, ANYTHING ELSE? THE SEWER GO TOGETHER. WELL, THE SEWER, WE CAN, AGAIN, THE SEWER COMMENTS I THINK WE ADDRESSED. WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN BASICALLY WE'RE PUTTING IN A WHOLE NEW SEWER SYSTEM BECAUSE WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY FAILING AND HAS BEEN CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORS. AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE, THE, THE FOOD SCRAPS THAT BOB WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. RIGHT. YEAH. AND TAMMY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HELP WITH, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE PRELIMINARY WORK ON THE STORM WATER, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO BE ASSURED IF WE'RE GONNA ISSUE A NECK DECK THAT THE STORM WATER SYSTEM WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT 18 MILE. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'LL HAVE TO DESIGN TO ALL STATE REGULATIONS, DETAILS, STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND, AND RECEIVE A, A STATE PERMIT FOR STORMWATER. [01:55:01] SO THEY WILL NEED TO MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. AND YOU HAVE TO UNFORTUNATELY, USE TO BUS RICK'S CHOPS BASED UPON THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE. NOW AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY, WELL, IF DESIGNED CORRECTLY, THIS IS GONNA WORK . RIGHT? YEAH. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY WITH CAMMY. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET HER WITH VERY PRECISE AND SPECIFIC PLANS BEFORE THAT MEETING IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING. RIGHT. WE, WE CAN GET TO THE PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS BEFORE THAT MEETING, LIKE WELL BEFORE THE MEETING. PROBABLY PROBABLY NEXT WEEK. THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AS WELL. IT'LL JUST HELP SUPPORT WHATEVER DECISION. WE'LL DO THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? SO, SO SARAH, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING. DEFINE THE NEIGHBOR. WHO DO I NOTIFY? HOW FAR OUT? YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, I, I THINK IT SHOULD GO JUST AS FAR AS A RE PUBLIC HEARING. PROBABLY THE EASIEST. WE DON'T NOTIFY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS NOTICE IS A HUNDRED FEET OUT. THE TOWN BOARD NOTICES 500 FEET OUT. SO THIS IS A ZONING ACTION I WOULD GO WITH AS WELL. I WOULD GO WITH A HUNDRED FEET. RIGHT? MAYBE. RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. BOB, WHAT DO YOU I SAW BOB'S HAND RAISE. WELL, I AGREED WITH WHAT I WAS, I WAS JUST AGREEING WHAT SARAH SAID. WHAT DID I SAY? THERE'S, THERE'S RESIDENTS ALL ALONG THAT WHOLE AREA. IS THERE, IS THERE SEAT IN THAT AREA? IS BE ONE NEIGHBOR ON ONE SIDE AND ONE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER. AND ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S THERE. IS THERE WAY, I KNOW THIS IS A, A NOT A GREAT SUBJECT, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A SIGN UP ON THE PROPERTY. DO WE HAVE A SIGN AVAILABLE THAT CAN PUT IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? UM, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN CHECK WITH ROGER. OKAY. A GOOD IDEA. WE COULD DO HUNDRED FEET IN A SIGN AND, AND JIM CAN HOLD US THERE AND SEE IF YOU CAN, IF THAT SIGN IS AVAILABLE, PLACE IT AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE. WHERE DOES THE JIM, YOU CAN GET IT FROM THE, FROM ROGER'S OFFICE. WHERE DOES THE A HUNDRED FEET START? AT? AT THE BUILDING OR AT THE PROPERTY? NO, AT THE, THE PER PERIMETER OF THE SITE. AT THE PROPERTY. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL PROPERTIES WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET. IF YOU TAKE ALL PROPERTY LINES, I CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A GIS SYSTEM. I JUST HAVE TO PUNCH THE NUMBER IN. RIGHT. A HUNDRED FEET IN THE SIGN? OR DOES ANYBODY THINK WE SHOULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY? IT SHOULD INCLUDE BOB'S HOUSE. BOB KNOWS ABOUT IT. PUT THE SIGN ON MY HOUSE IF YOU WANT. IT'S RIGHT THERE. WE'RE PUTTING ALL THE SIGNS IN BOB'S FRONT YARD. , NOT A PROBLEM. UM, WHAT'S THE NOISE ORDINANCE? IS THERE A DECIBEL OR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE TOWN WITH A DECIBEL LIMIT. I THOUGHT THAT CAME UP IN A PRIOR OH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, I WON'T MIND THE NOISE IF THE MUSIC, IF I, IF I LIKE THE MUSIC, IF IT'S WHAT I LIKE , I, I, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE STUFF TOO MODERN FOR YOU. BOB. HAVE TO CALL BOB FOR A REVIEW OF THE PLAYLIST. NO, NO RAP. I BELIEVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT IS NOT MAKING NOISE AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. AND IT'S A POLICE MATTER. I BELIEVE THEY CALL THE POLICE IF THERE'S NOISE DISTURBING THE PIECE AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. SO, WELL, NO, I I I, I WAS ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST JOKING BECAUSE I CAN HEAR, I CAN HEAR SOME MUSIC SOMETIMES FROM THE CABIN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, IT'S PRETTY GOOD MUSIC. MY MUSIC BILL. BUT ANYWAYS, I, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME LEVITY HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WILLOW BEND TO JUNE 3RD FOR A PUBLIC INPUT AND REVIEW OF THE EAF. SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. CAN I SAY ONE THING? YES. STAY SAFE EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. YOU TOO, EVERYONE. DOUG, YOU SOUND BETTER. YEAH, DOUG, YOU DO SOUND BETTER. YOU LOOK. HEY, OUR FRIEND AL, YOU LOOK GOOD. [02:00:01] THANK YOU. RIGHT AFTER THIS. I'M GOING RIGHT TO BED THOUGH. OH, DOUG, I, I HOPE YOU LOOK BETTER THAN YOU. YOU FEEL YOU KNOW ? PROBABLY NOT. YESTERDAY. LOOKS, HE LOOKS GOOD. I SAW HIM YESTERDAY. GOOD. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS ALLOWED OUT. OKAY, SO ARE, DID WE TABLE THAT LAST ONE? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT? OH, WE DID. WE TABLED IT. AND THIRD, FOR A PUBLIC INPUT MEETING AND REVIEW OF THE EAF. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 6TH, UM, MEETING WITH, UH, ONE TYPOGRAPHIC AIR SPOT AT THE END. THERE'S AN HAE THAT SHOULD BE HAVE IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOUT TREE CLEARING UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. SECOND. NO, NEVERMIND. SORRY. OKAY. SO MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK. SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. YOU ALSO NEED TO APPROVE THE APRIL 29TH MINUTES. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 29TH SPECIAL MEETING ON AL ASPHALT. I DID REVIEW THOSE. I'LL SECOND THAT FOR YOU. MOTION MRS. MCCORMICK. SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. WE WANT A MOTION CARRIED. ONE ABSTENTION. ANYTHING ELSE? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. SECOND. A MOTION BY MR. SHAW. SECOND BY MRS. MCCORMICK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. A AYE. AYE. CARRIE. AND, UM, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE, UH, WHAT THE TOWN WANTS US TO DO FOR THE NEXT MEETING BY THE END OF THE WEEK. AND, UM, I'LL TALK TO JENNIFER ABOUT IT AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. OKAY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST DO IT PRETTY QUICK 'CAUSE I GOTTA PUT IT IN THE PAPER. YES. I TALKED TO, I TEXTED WALTER DURING THE MEETING AND HIM AND I ARE GOING TO TALK IN THE MORNING. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL SEE EVERYBODY NEXT TIME. AND EVERYBODY, IT MIGHT BE IN PERSON. DO I NEED A DOCTOR'S NOTE TO STAY HOME? IF YOU WANNA STAY HOME, WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY. RIGHT. YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GET A NOTE. YOU, YOU'RE EXCUSED. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. . THANK YOU, DR. BOB . MAYBE WE DO SPEAKER PHONE OR SOMETHING TOO. I MEAN, THERE'S, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. SOCIAL DISTANCING THING. THAT'S ALL. NOPE. OH, EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.