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EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET STARTED.
WELCOME TO THE JUNE 3RD, 2020 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, AND JUSTICE FRAUD.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS BATTERY POST.
UH, SO I, UM, HAD AN ACTION ITEM TO FOLLOW UP.
UM, I HAD A NICE CHAT, UH, YESTERDAY.
I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT'S ON WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT.
AND HE SAID, OH, WE HAVE THIS, UH, THE DOCUMENT.
WE, THEY HAD A, WHAT'S CALLED A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
HE SENT THAT RIGHT OVER AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND DID EVERYBODY GET THE EMAIL FROM THEM EXPLAINING THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE VEGETATION IN DECEMBER WHEN THE PLANTS WERE, WERE DEAD? I THINK THEY DID A PRETTY DETAILED JOB ON, ON WHAT THEY DID FOR THE WETLANDS DELINEATION.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND THAT, 'CAUSE HE MENTIONED IT HAD BEEN SENT.
UM, SARAH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SUBJECT LINE ON THAT EMAIL WAS? UM, NO, I SENT IT FROM WORK.
SO I THINK IT WAS BATTERY POST EMAIL FROM EARTH DIMENSION.
YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE FROM MARK 'CAUSE I WAS TALKING TO HIM THAT HAD THIS SIMILAR THING IN THE SUBJECT LINE.
SO, WELL, THAT WAS THE LAST THING ON THIS ONE.
DO WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS? SHE DRAFTED 'EM LAST TIME.
THEY WERE DRAFTED FOR LAST TIME.
DO YOU GUYS STILL HAVE THEM? I CAN FIND THEM.
YOU VOLUNTEER TO READ THEM IF YOU WANT.
JUST LEMME MAKE IT SLIGHTLY LARGER SO I CAN SEE IT.
SARAH, I'M GONNA FORWARD YOU THIS FOR THE FILE.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS EVEN MORE SUBSTANTIVE THAN JUST THE EMAIL FROM, AND THAT JUST CAME FROM THE CORE ON THE 29TH.
AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MUTE THEMSELVES.
BATTERY POST PROJECT 4,109 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BATTERY POST PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES A 35,750 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING GOLF CART STORAGE LOT AT 4 1 0 9 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 6TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HERE BY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE BATTERY POST PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 1 0 9 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS ONCE THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED, AS THERE IS NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE NEEDED TO ADD IN ON THE, THE FENCING.
RIGHT? WE RESOLVED THAT LAST TIME.
LAST, YEAH, THAT WAS ALL OUT SECOND.
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A MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK.MOTION BY MRS. ERFORD, SECOND BY MRS. MCCORMICK.
I COULDN'T QUITE TELL ANY OPPOSED, I GUESS ANY OPPOSED? NO.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WILLOW BEND PROJECT.
BECAUSE THE TON ONE'S BEEN ASKED TO TAKE OFF THE AGENDA, UH, WILL AMEN.
I'M GONNA PULL UP THE AGENDA ON MY EMAIL BECAUSE THE ONE I SAVED IS JUST BLANK ON MY COMPUTER.
UM, YEAH, AND I THINK THERE WAS A PRESENTATION THAT SARAH HAD PROVIDED TO SHARE FOR THIS.
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? JUST GO AHEAD.
THE FACEBOOK IS QUITE BEHIND YOU GUYS, JUST IN CASE ANYBODY CARES.
IT'S, IT'S CATCHING UP I THINK.
NOW, NOW ON FACEBOOK THEY'VE GOT WHAT, WHAT, UH, MEGAN JUST PUT UP.
ALSO, ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS AND JIM CLEARY.
SO AS THE PLANNING BOARD WILL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS DURING YOUR MEETING ON MAY 20TH.
I'M GONNA LIMIT MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT LARGELY TO THE UPDATED INFORMATION THAT'S BECOME AVAILABLE, UH, SINCE THAT PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THANK YOU MEGAN, FOR HOSTING THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE WHERE WE WERE, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE PROJECT SITE IS.
IT'S ZONED RA, WHICH MEANS WE ARE GONNA ULTIMATELY NEED A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THE SITE IS ABOUT 14.6 ACRES IN SIZE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A NEW EVENT CENTER ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SITE PLAN ALONG WITH THE A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, THE FACT THAT WE ARE REPLACING THE EXISTING FAILING PUMP STATION AND INSTALLING ALL NEW SANITARY SEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE FINAL BULLET POINT IS, OF COURSE, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THE REQUIRED USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WE HAVE TO ALSO RECEIVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.
AND THIS IS THE EXACT SAME PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU.
SO THE BUILDING WE SHOWED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHICH WAS THE SITE PLAN, WILL BE LOCATED AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LOCATION AND IS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE AS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE UPDATED INFORMATION.
SO SINCE THE MEETING ON MAY 20TH, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WE DID SUBMIT A DETAILED LETTER RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS OF DAVID DANK, THE REGIONAL PERMIT ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATOR, THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF EN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION RESPONDED TO EACH OF THE COMMENTS IN HIS LETTER.
WE ALSO DID CHRIS WOOD PREPARE AND SUBMITTED A LETTER RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS FROM JOSEPH MCNAMARA OF THE ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE AN UPDATED LEVER FROM DAVID CRUZ OF SRF ASSOCIATES, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND, RESPONDING TO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM THE MAY 20TH MEETING.
AND THEN FINALLY, MAYBE MORE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, CHRIS WOOD AND STAFF DID PROVIDE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERED PLANS TO CAM GERALD THE TOWNS CONSULTING ENGINEER FOR REVIEW.
SO HERE'S A COPY OF THE STORM DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEER PLANS.
WE CHANGED THIS A LITTLE BIT SINCE THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
AND REALLY THE MAIN THING WE CHANGED, AND CHRIS CAN CLARIFY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IS ORIGINALLY OUR OUTFALL FROM THAT STORMWATER POND OR MANAGEMENT AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE PLAN WAS GONNA OUTFALL INTO 18 MILE CREEK.
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COMMENT LETTER MADE IT CLEAR THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT WOULD BE A DISTURBANCE WITHIN 50 FEET OF 18 MILE CREEK, WHICH IS A JURISDICTIONAL A WATERWAY.SO WE'VE AVOIDED THAT AND THAT NOW, AS A RESULT OF THAT CHANGE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY IMPACTS WHATSOEVER TO THAT BACK PORTION OF THE SITE THAT FALLS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE DEC.
SO WE WILL NOT NEED AN ARTICLE 15 PERMIT FROM THE DEC.
AND THAT IS IN THE RESPONSE ORDER THAT I SUBMITTED TO THE DEC ON MAY 29TH.
HEY, BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR, SEAN, IF THERE'S A QUESTION AS I GO YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA AROUND 18 MILE CREEK, DOES IT EXTEND THIS DIRECTION IN THE TOWN? IS THIS PROPERTY AT ALL WITHIN THE, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA? YES, I BELIEVE IT IS, RIGHT? TRUE.
IT'S IT'S WITHIN THE 18 MILE CREEK.
THAT'S WHAT, OR OR JOINING IT.
I MEAN, IT, IT FOLLOWS THE PATH OF 18 MILE CREEK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE VILLAGE BOUNDARY.
THE PROPERTY IS, BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PRETTY FAR FROM THE CREEK.
IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA? UH, I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE MAP, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S WHETHER IT'S ADJACENT OR WITHIN THE CEA AND IT IS ADJACENT OR WITHIN, WE DID RECEIVE THE MAPPING LAYER.
I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED FROM THESE
AND, AND, AND AS DREW INDICATED, AS DREW INDICATED, BECAUSE WE ARE CONTIGUOUS TO IT, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND THAT'S WHY WE REALLY HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO AVOID ANY IMPACTS WHATSOEVER TO THE 18 MILE CREEK ITSELF.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE POND DISCHARGING TO NOW? IT'S JUST NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO, IS IT STILL FLOWING TO THE CREEK EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
MR. WOOD, YEAH, IT'S DISCHARGING INTO THE DITCH THAT'S ON SITE THAT ENDS UP IN THE CREEK.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE GRADING PLAN BETTER THAN ON THE STORM PLAN.
SO THE NEXT TIME YOU GUYS DO A, A REVISION TO THE SITE PLAN, CAN YOU ADD THE BOUNDARY OF THE CEA ON THERE OR LABEL? IF THE ENTIRE THING IS IN THE AND WITHIN IS WITHIN THE CEA AND I DON'T KNOW, DREW DID THE PROPOSED, I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WERE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE CEA LAW THAT WERE WENT TO CODE REVIEW.
DID THOSE EVER GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH? RIGHT.
THEY WEREN'T PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE CEA THOUGH.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.
THE CONSERVATION AREA LAW HAS NOT CHANGED.
THERE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO IT, UH, BUT IT HAS NOT CHANGED TO DATE.
ACTUALLY, THE REVISIONS WOULD'VE MADE IT LESS STRICT, BUT SO FAR THEY EXIST.
WELL, I MEANT THE REVISIONS OF THE CO THE, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD PUT TOGETHER THAT RESTRICTED SOME OF WHAT COULD GET BUILT IN THE CEA FOR THE TOWN.
RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU, IT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THOSE, THAT'S I'M ASKING ANYWAY.
THEY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PROMULGATED.
SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO ONE OF THE PLANS, ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE CONSIDERING AS PART OF YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER, IS POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS.
ONE OF THE IMPACTS THAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL WAS TO PREPARE AND PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'LL BE NO NEW LIGHTING STANDARDS.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CHRIS HAS DESIGNED THOSE.
SO THEY WOULD BE AT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT'S SAFE FOR ANY LARGER VEHICLES.
THERE'LL BE 12 FOOT POLES ON A THREE FOOT BASE, WHICH RESULTS IN A 15 FOOT HEIGHT.
THEY WILL BE SHIELDED IN DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE PHOTOMETRIC LEVELS MEASURED IN FOOT CANDLES THAT GO AROUND EACH OF THOSE LIGHT STANDARDS, AND THEY SHOW QUITE CLEARLY THERE'LL BE NO LIGHTING SPILLOVER ON ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT DREW BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WAS WITH RESPECT TO EXISTING LIGHTING, ANY EXISTING LIGHTING OUT THERE WE'RE SURE IS NOT COMPLIANT AND WILL BE REMOVED.
SO I THINK WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS LAST TIME, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION IN OR IN PROXIMITY TO THE CEA, WE WERE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PART ONE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM NORMALLY WOULDN'T BE DONE FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.
THE TOWN WAS DILIGENT IN CONDUCTING A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
THANKFULLY, NONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT RESPONDED INVOLVED OR INTERESTED AGENCIES RAISED ANY CONCERNS RELATIVE TO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE ADDRESSED IN WRITING EACH AND EVERY COMMENT
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THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.SO, AS I INDICATED, CHRIS AND HIS STAFF DID SUBMIT PRELIMINARY ENGINEERED PLANS TO CAMIE GERALD FOR HER REVIEW LATE LAST WEEK.
CAMIE, AS SHE ALWAYS IS, WAS VERY DILIGENT AND PROVIDED US WITH A LETTER OR AN EMAIL ON JUNE 1ST, BASICALLY SAYING FOR PURPOSES OF THIS POINT IN THE REVIEW, THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL CALL OR REVIEW ACT THAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED WE'RE OKAY.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE NOT CONSTRUING HER EMAIL TO MEAN THAT THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
THAT WILL HAVE TO TAKE PLACE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN OF RULE.
BUT SHE HAS CONDUCTED A PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND CONFIRMED FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND CAMMY'S PROBABLY ON THE LINE.
SO IF SHE WANTS TO CHIME IN, SHE CAN.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THAT NEXT SLIDE.
SO AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, WE ORIGINALLY DID SUBMIT A TRIP GENERATION LETTER PREPARED BY STEVE ANTE, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM SRF ASSOCIATES OUT OF ROCHESTER.
UH, TAYLOR ROAD IS AN ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
WHILE THE PROJECT ITSELF DOES NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD, THE STATE, THE STATE THRESHOLD FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, YOU DID INDICATE THAT YOU WANTED SOME TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DONE.
THERE WERE TWO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, AND MEGAN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I CAN ADDRESS THOSE.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, AND BASICALLY GIVEN THAT THERE WILL BE RIDE SHARING SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, LYFT, UBER POSSIBLE SHUTTLE VANS FROM HOTELS IN THE VICINITY OR IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG OR OTHER NEARBY COMMUNITIES, IT SEEMED THAT OUR EXITING TRIPS DURING THE AM PEAK DURING THE PM WEEKDAY HOUR AND THE SATURDAY PEAK HOUR WERE LOW.
I THINK IT WAS, MEGAN'S COMMENT WAS A VERY GOOD COMMENT.
WE WENT BACK TO SR ASSOCIATES.
THE PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT HAD BEEN DONE FOR SIMILAR FACILITIES WERE DONE REALLY BEFORE THOSE SERVICES BECAME AS COMMON AS THEY ARE NOW.
SO SRF DID GO BACK TO THEIR TABLE ONE OF THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND UPDATED THOSE NUMBERS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND IT'S THE LAST BULLET POINT, THAT IF THERE'S RIDE SHARING SERVICES, IF THERE'S SHUTTLE BUSES, ET CETERA, IT WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS ARRIVING DURING THOSE PEAK PERIODS.
HOWEVER, TO PROVIDE A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS, WE LEFT THOSE TRIP PROJECTIONS UNCHANGED.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'S AN UPDATED VERSION OF THAT PARTICULAR TABLE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD ROW OR SECOND ROW, WHICH IS WILLOW BEND EVENT CENTER, YOU CAN SEE PM PEAK HOUR EXITING.
WE'VE NOW INCREASED THAT TO 16 TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE THOSE SERVICES AVAILABLE.
AND THEN SATURDAY PEAK HOUR EXITING, WE'VE INCREASED AT 19.
AGAIN, SR F'S OPINION IS THE 51 AND THE 55 NOW ARE PROBABLY HIGHER THAN THEY NEED TO BE, BUT WE LEFT THAT ASPECT OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ALONE.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT UPDATE BASED ON THE COMMENT WE RECEIVED LAST OR TWO WEEKS AGO? I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE FORMER WILLOW BEND CLUB ARE HISTORIC AND NOT ACTUALLY RELEVANT TO OUR REVIEW HERE.
WE REALLY ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE INCREASE IS FROM THE EXISTING CONDITION.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT, YES.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST TO PROVIDE A, JUST TO PROVIDE A HISTORICAL STANDARD FOR COMPARISON.
OBVIOUSLY THOSE TRIPS ARE NOT CURRENTLY THERE.
YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT.
SEAN, I, I'LL, I, I'LL, I'LL JUMP ON HERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UM, NOT GUARANTEE, BUT THIS SUGGESTION, YOU'RE GONNA BE SHUTTLES AND HOTELS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FARTHER WITH RIDE SHARING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GET IN TOGETHER, GROUP TOGETHER UNLESS THE SOCIAL DISTANCING ISSUE IS YOU HAVE A HUNDRED GUARANTEED PARKING SPOTS THAT MR. CLARY ISS PUTTING ON THAT SITE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE A HUNDRED SPOTS AREN'T GONNA BE USED ON A REGULAR BASIS? OR IS IT, IS IT THE PLAN THAT WE PROMOTE MORE OF THE RIDE SHARING, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS NOT ABOUT A SUGGESTED THING? UBERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, UM, SHUTTLES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THE SOCIAL DISTANCING ON SOME SHUTTLES.
I KNOW PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THEY SIT THREE, FOUR SEATS ARE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
SO UNLESS THIS IS RELEASED, THIS IS ONLY A PLAN, CORRECT? WELL, NO, I MEAN, IT REALLY IS OUR INTENTION TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, IF WE WERE UNDER THE CURRENT SITUATION, WHICH HOPEFULLY STARTING TO GET BETTER, OBVIOUSLY
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THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE STRATEGY OF HAVING THIS EVENT CENTER REALLY DOESN'T WORK, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.SO WE THINK THEY GO HAND IN HAND.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THE COVID-19 CRISIS LASTS, LASTS LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL ALL HAVE TO BE REEVALUATED.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT AND PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT AS IF THINGS WILL RETURN TO HOPEFULLY AT LEAST RELATIVELY NORMAL.
AND I, AND I TEND TO AGREE, THERE'S NO WAY WE KNOW OUR CRYSTAL BALL'S NOT THAT GOOD.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE POSITIVES, THE POS OR, AND, AND, AND THE STUFF THAT YOU'VE DESIGNATED.
YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PARKING SPOTS.
I JUST, THAT'S IN MY, I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE THAT EVERY EVENT YOU HAVE, THOSE SPOTS WILL BE USED.
THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY CONTENTION.
SO YEAH, THE WISH THAT WE, THAT THESE HOTELS HAVE THESE SHUTTLE SERVICES AND PEOPLE STAY IN THE HOTELS AND ALL THIS OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIMO SERVICES AND ALL THESE OTHER PLANS GOING FORWARD.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, OUR CRYSTAL BALL IS NOT THAT GOOD.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FALL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 2021.
THERE'S TOO, JUST TOO, TOO MANY IFS.
I MEAN, I'M, YEAH, AND REMEMBER, AND, AND, AND REMEMBER THE EARLIEST THERE'S AN EVENT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE HERE IS GONNA BE 2021.
I MEAN, WE'RE, I KNOW THIS SEASON IS GONE, OBVIOUSLY.
SO I MEAN, 2021, NO ONE CAN REALLY PREDICT A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT WILL OCCUR, BUT HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL RETURN TO NORMAL.
BUT I DO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T JUST ALL SPECULATIVE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE, OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY PROVIDE THOSE RIDE SHARING SERVICES.
BUT NONETHELESS, OUR A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES HAS BEEN DESIGNED FOR A, A MEMBER OF THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF THIS FACILITY IS 200 INDIVIDUALS MEAN WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT IF NO ONE USED RIDE SHARING SERVICES, WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING ON SITE FOR THE BIGGEST EVENT THAT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY HOLD.
THAT'S INCLUDING GUESTS AND EMPLOYEES.
AND WILL IT BE HANDICAP PARKING? YEAH, OF COURSE.
WE'LL BE COMPLYING WITH THE STATE CODE AND AADA IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR PARKING AND THE BUILDING.
SEAN, YOU STATED THAT THESE WERE NUMBERS WERE GENERATED BASED ON COMPARISON WITH, UM, LIKE FACILITIES OR SIMILAR FACILITIES.
WERE THOSE LOCAL FACILITIES, WERE THEY A REGIONAL FACILITY OR WAS IT MORE OF A, LIKE A GIVEN DATA POINT THAT YOU WORK OFF OF? SO THE ONLY TWO FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS DATABASE THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THESE ARE ACTUALLY TWO FACILITIES THAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ARE LOCATED IN, UM, VANCOUVER.
SO THAT'S WHAT WAS USED ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
SO YOU WOULDN'T COMPARE IT TO LIKE AN AVANTI OR YOU WOULDN'T COMPARE IT TO LIKE A, LIKE A CHURCH HALL ON LAKE STREET WHERE THEY RENT IT OUT AND THEY BRING IN THEIR OWN CATERERS AND IT'S A HIGH END HALL.
THOSE WOULDN'T BE COMPARABLES, BUT VANCOUVER WOULD BE THE MOST COMPARABLE.
WELL, IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF CENTER YEAH.
BASED ON THEIR DATABASE, THAT THAT'S THE MOST COMPARABLE, COMPARABLE PROJECTS.
WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, A CHURCH THAT HOLDS WEDDINGS AND POSSIBLY DINNERS ON, ON, I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER MEGAN, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE, I WAS JUST WONDERING BETTER ANALOGY WHERE WHY THE VANCOUVER WAS THE BEST COMPARISON OF DATA POINTS AND NOT A POLICE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO IN THEIR DATABASE.
THEY'RE LITERALLY THE ONLY TWO IN THE DATABASE.
REMEMBER, THAT'S SRF DATABASE, THAT'S A NATIONAL DATABASE THAT ALL TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS USE.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE FACEBOOK FEED, UH, ABOUT, UM, UH, WENDY EVANTON HAD COMMENTED ON WHY WE, THAT WE NEEDED TO COMPARE TO HISTORICAL.
I THINK I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR, FOR HER THAT THE REASON I SAY THAT WE SHOULD COMPARE IT TO NOW IS THAT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC IS ONLY FOUR AND THE NET INCREASE BEING SHOWN IS BIGGER BEING RATHER THAN COMPARING TO THE HISTORIC LEVEL, WHICH WOULD SHOW A, A REDUCTION, WHICH ISN'T REALLY THE EXISTING CASE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME HISTORIC DATA ABOUT WHAT WAS ACCOMMODATED ON THE ROAD, BUT THE NUMBER OF CARS IS GONNA BE AN INCREASE OVER WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ONLY BEEN CLOSED FOR TWO YEARS.
ALSO, CAITLIN, JUST TO DIGGY BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, BEFORE WHAT IT WAS THE WILLOWBEND, THE WILLOWBEND CLUB THAT WASN'T SCHEDULED, THAT WAS A CLUB, IT WAS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.
THEY PAID AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY PAID MONEY TO BELONG TO THAT CLUB.
SO THEIR EVENTS WERE SPORADIC.
IT'S GONNA BE EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
SO THAT HAS TO BE PUT IN TO SOME RETROSPECT, THE FACT THAT THEY, A LOT OF FAMILIES WROTE A PICNIC OVER THERE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IT WASN'T SCHEDULED FOR LIKE A, A PLANNED EVENT.
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LET, LET ME JUST JUMP IN HERE.HAVING LI HAVING SEEN THOUSANDS OF TRAFFIC STUDIES UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID, THEY TRIED TO SHOW YOU HISTORICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IT WILL HAVE BEEN, WE SAID, AND KAITLYN SAID IT VERY WELL, I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, WE REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENED 10 YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE BY THIS NEW USE THERE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE BEEN MINIMAL BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN BIG EFFECTS.
SO THE NUMBERS YOU SEE IN THIS, IN THIS DOCUMENT ARE WHAT SRF TRIED TO FIND WAS ALL TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE DONE BY IT.
THEY GO IN AND FIND, IF IT'S A MCDONALD'S RESTAURANT, THEY FIND AND THEY GENERATE, WHAT THEY'VE SAID IS THAT THERE'S NO REAL CATEGORY FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
THEY TRIED TO USE THE BEST THEY COULD IN THEIR, AGAIN, AS TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, THEY CAN'T JUST COME UP NUMBERS.
THEY HAVE TO USE SOMETHING THAT FALLS IN THAT IT MANUAL OR IN A DATABASE.
SO THEY CAME UP WITH NUMBERS THAT SAY THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS NUMBER SAYS HERE.
A PEAK HOUR, THERE WILL BE 51 CARS ENTERING THIS SITE IN A PEAK HOUR THERE WILL BE, AND I CAN'T SEE 16 OR 18, MY EYES AREN'T THAT GOOD, UH, UH, LEAVING THAT SITE AND THAT'S A PM PEAK.
AND THEN ON SATURDAY THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR SATURDAY, THOSE NUMBERS SEEM REASONABLE FOR A HUNDRED CAR PARKING LOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A HUNDRED CARS COMING EXACTLY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN EXITING THE FACILITY.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TYPICALLY THE COUNTY OR THE STATE DOES NOT ASK FOR FULL TRAFFIC STUDIES UNLESS YOU'RE GENERATING OVER A HUNDRED CAR TRIPS PER HOUR.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY IT HAS INSIGNIFICANT EFFECTS ON A ROAD, ON ROADS UNLESS YOU'RE GENERATING HIGH VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC.
WHAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, UM, SEAN'S GONNA GET TO IS THAT I WANT TO KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY SAFELY ONCE THEY GET ON THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
SOME ARE GONNA GO TO THE RIGHT, SOME ARE GONNA THE LEFT, AND THEN THIS TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE SPREAD OUT.
AND AT THESE HOURS OF THE NIGHT, IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL.
SO REALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE GONNA TELL YOU, THAT IT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL THE NUMBERS TO A, A ROAD OF THIS THAT CAN HANDLE THOUSANDS OF CAR TRIPS PER HOUR.
SO WE HAVE SRF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE GENERATED.
AND I THINK WHAT SEAN'S GONNA GET TO IS I'VE ASKED, CAN WE GET SAFELY GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY USING THIS NEW EVENT CENTER? AND, AND SEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
THE, THE STATE, THE COUNTY'S NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ENTERING THE ROAD, UH, ON THE ROAD.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET SAFELY IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THE POINT YOU JUST MADE, DREW.
YEAH, SO THE SECOND COMMENT WAS EXACTLY THE COMMENT THAT DREW MADE AND IT WAS, DREW MADE IT DURING THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON MAY 20TH IS, HEY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE INTERSECTION IN THE ROADWAY.
SO THE INTERSECTION OF OUR DRIVEWAY AND TAYLOR ROAD.
SO BASICALLY WE DID THAT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND PORTION OF THE SLIDE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL, BUT IT SHOWS YOU THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BOTH DURING THE ARRIVAL HOUR IN DEPARTURE HOUR FOR WEEKDAY AND THEN ALSO SATURDAY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, NOT SURPRISINGLY THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, BECAUSE THE ONLY TRAFFIC ENTERING AND EXITING AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT WILL BE A, WHICH IS THE BEST RATING YOU CAN HAVE IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO I HOPE THAT
THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS GONNA TALK ABOUT SITE DISTANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE MINIMAL VOLUME, BUT IF YOU CAN'T SEE GETTING OUT OF AN INTERSECTION, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
SO S SO SRF ALSO, AND REMEMBER THIS, THIS ISN'T, I DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE SLIDE FOR IT, BUT THIS WAS A COMMENT THAT REALLY WASN'T MADE, BUT I ASKED SRF ASSOCIATES TO DO IT ANYWAY.
THEY ALSO TOOK A LIGHT, TOOK A LOOK AT SITE DISTANCES FOR VEHICLES ENTERING, HEADING LEFT AND THEN ALSO OF COURSE HEADING RIGHT.
AND THEY DID CONFIRM THAT WHILE VEHICLES, I THINK IT WAS HEADING LEFT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT THE BEST RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, THAT THEY ARE SUFFICIENT.
SO I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT THAT'S ON TABLE THREE OF THE LETTER DATED JUNE 1ST.
AND I LIKE THERE ONE SUGGESTION, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SUGGEST, WHICH IS A GOOD SUGGESTION TO A DRIVEWAY LIKE THIS THAT HAS EVENTS TO IT THAT YOU PUT WARNING SIGNS, WE'D HAVE TO
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WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO SAY THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AHEAD.SO PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD KNOW THAT THERE'S A, USUALLY WHEN YOU SEE A DRIVEWAY AHEAD USUALLY MEANS IT'S A MAJOR TYPE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MEDICATION IS IS ADDING THAT, THAT WARNING SIGN.
AND WE'D BE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE SITE DISTANCE TO THE LEFT FOR A VEHICLE AND EXITING IS 340 FEET.
THE SITE DISTANCE FOR A VEHICLE TO THE RIGHT LOOKING TO THE RIGHT IS GREATER THAN 400 FEET.
SO THE SITE DISTANCES ARE ADEQUATE.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT SRF MADE WAS, HEY, THERE MAY BE SOME VEGETATION OUT THERE RIGHT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF TAYLOR ROAD THAT IF WE DO SOMETHING IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE, THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE THE VISIBILITY FOR VEHICLES ENTERING THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN ALSO VEHICLES MORE IMPORTANTLY EXITING THE DRIVEWAY.
AND WE'RE FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE DOING OUR JOB OF LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS OF THE SITE PLAN.
THE COUNTY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE HIGHWAY, BUT WE'RE DOING OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE PLAN WORKS AND PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY SAFELY.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, COPY, WE ALREADY SHOWED YOU THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SHIPPO.
SO ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT DREW HAD A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY IMPACTS TO WETLANDS, SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, FEDERAL WETLANDS OR NEW YORK STATE DEC FRESHWATER WETLANDS IN THEIR A HUNDRED FOOT ADJACENT AREAS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE FEDERAL.
SO THESE ARE MAPS PULLED FROM THE ERIE COUNTY WEBSITE.
YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST ONE SHOWS, UH, FEDERAL WETLANDS, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE.
THERE IS APPEARS TO BE AN AREA THAT COULD BE A FEDERAL WETLAND ASSOCIATED WITH 18 MILE CREEK ALONG THE BACK OF THE SITE.
AS WE INDICATED, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY IMPACTS TO THAT AREA WHATSOEVER.
AND IN FACT, ALL OF THE IMPACTS ON THE SITE ARE BASICALLY WHERE THERE'S ALREADY PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISTURBED.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO BEING WETLANDS OR ASSOCIATED WITH WETLANDS.
THAT'S THE SIMILAR MAP, BUT SHOWING DEC FRESHWATER WETLANDS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY COLORED IN THE LIGHTER GREEN.
AND SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY IMPACTS ON THE WETLANDS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE DEC, NOR THEY'RE REGULATED A HUNDRED FOOT ADJACENT AREAS.
AND I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT WE'VE DONE SOME REDESIGN BASED ON THE COMMENT LETTER FROM THE DEC, WE WILL NOT NEED AN ARTICLE 15 PROTECTION OF WATERS PERMIT FROM THAT AGENCY.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR CONCLUSION.
SO BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE COURSE OF MANY PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THE UPDATED INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT'S BEEN MADE BY THE PLANNING BOARD WORKING WITH INVOLVED WITH INTERESTED AGENCIES, WE WOULD ASK YOU CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL FRAUD REVIEW ACT THIS EVENING.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I, MY ONE COMMENT ON YOUR SLIDES THAT YOU JUST DID IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ARMY CORPS, THE FEDERAL WETLANDS ARE NOT MAPPED.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE DISTURBANCE IS HAPPENING IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AND IS A REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OR IS A LONG EXISTING ROADWAYS BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE ROAD THAT THOSE AREAS ARE, ARE DISTURBED ALREADY AND GRADED UPHILL.
SO THAT PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS IN ORANGE, THAT'S BASED ON THE NWI MAPPING, WHICH RIGHT IS AN INDICATOR OF WETLANDS, BUT IT'S NOT MEANT TO SUGGEST THAT IT'S A JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL WETLANDS.
SO THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
WELL AND IT DOESN'T ALSO INDICATE THAT THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD, WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT SO WHAT I THINK YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, CHRIS, WHAT I THINK IS ON THE PHONE IS THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND THE FOOTPRINT PRINT OF ANY PERMANENT DISTURBANCE THAT'S HAPPENING, DOES ALL OF THAT OVERLAY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND FOOTPRINT OF STRUCTURES ON THE SITE? NO.
WITH, YEAH, WITH ONE, BUT WITH, YEAH.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS BIGGER BECAUSE OF COURSE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING AREA, WELL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT THE BUILDINGS, THE PARKING LOT WHERE TENNIS COURT BEFORE.
SO IF YOU LOOK, YOU LOOK AT THE
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING IN INTO THE WOOD LINE AT ALL.
SO OUR PROJECT IS BASICALLY WITHIN OLD AREA, YOU KNOW, OF THE EXISTING SITE.
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SO DREW PREPARED AN EIF THAT WE CAN GO OVER ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START INTO THAT BILL? I, I JUST, JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.THERE'S ON FACEBOOK FROM MR. EVAN AND HE WANTS TO KNOW IF THE DRIVEWAY'S GOING TO BE WIDENED SO THAT TWO VEHICLES CAN FIT AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS 24 FEET.
SO YEAH, STANDARD, STANDARD WIDTH FOR TWO H.
THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IS 24 FEET.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE BUBBLES DOWN? OH NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UH, WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON GONNA THE ZONING BOARD? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AFTER THAT.
SO OUR PLAN IS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S SUBJECT TO YOU GUYS ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THE CURRENT PLAN WOULD BE TO BE AT ITS MEETING ON THE FIRST TUESDAY IN JULY.
AND THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US AT OUR, WOULD BE OUR FIRST MEETING IN JULY, MOST LIKELY.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE USE VARIANCE WEEK YEP.
I THINK IT'S OUR SECOND MEETING IN JULY, BECAUSE THE BEGINNING OF JULY, I THINK IS A WEDNESDAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY, I THINK JULY 1ST IS A WEDNESDAY.
THE ZBA A MEETING THE DAY BEFORE.
SO DENNIS, THAT'S WHY WE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE AF TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU ARE SATISFIED, YOU'LL AUTHORIZE US TO PUT RESOLUTIONS TOGETHER FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN IF WE ISSUE A NEG DECK, OBVIOUSLY THE DBA THEN CAN PROCEED WITH THE USE OF VARIANCE AT THEIR JULY MEETING.
SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT IS, THAT'S WHY CAITLYN, EVERYBODY ASK QUESTIONS IS HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO SHOW THAT THIS WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WHETHER WE'RE THIN OR ADJACENT TO A CEA, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU'VE DILIGENTLY LOOKED, NOT THAT WE DON'T DO THAT FALL PROJECT, BUT THIS ONE ESPECIALLY, WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO WITH THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE GOING THROUGH THE PART TWO.
PART TWO IS WHERE WE IDENTIFY POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACTS.
DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT SAYS WE NEED TO YEAH, GO AHEAD.
CAN I JUST BEFORE YOU START THAT, UH, WENDY, EVAN WANTS TO KNOW IF THE SITE DISTANCE WAS CALCULATED DURING THE DAYLIGHT SINCE MOST CARS WOULD BE LEAVING AT NIGHT.
WELL, SITE DISTANCE IS CALCULATED JUST ON PHYSICAL DISTANCE, NOT CALCULATED ON NIGHTTIME OR DAYTIME.
IT BASICALLY SAYS FOR A 39 HOUR ROAD YOU NEED TO HAVE X DISTANCE.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER THERE'S PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENTS TO IT.
IT DOESN'T CONSIDER DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME.
IT BASICALLY JUST SAYS, ARE THERE PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENTS FOR ME, LIKE A RISE OR FALL ON THE ROAD OR SOMETHING, OR TURN IN THE ROAD THAT I CAN SEE THAT DISTANCE.
THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AND SEE A CAR COMING 300 FEET AWAY AND YOU PULL OUT THAT CAR HAS ENOUGH TIME TO REACT AND STOP IF NECESSARY AND NOT HIT THAT VEHICLE.
SO IT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON DAYLIGHT, DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF DISTANCE AND IMPEDIMENTS TO THOSE VIEWS, CURVES, AND HILLS AND TREES AND BUILDINGS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THAT DISTANCE.
SO THEORETICALLY THEY, THEY MEET THAT DISTANCE.
ONE OF THE DISTANCES MAKING A LEFT IS CLOSE FOR STOPPING DISTANCE.
IT'S KIND OF CLOSE, BUT IT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO MEETING.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING ADDITIONAL MITIGATION, WHICH WOULD BE CLEAN UP THE VEGETATION SO PEOPLE HAVE GOOD VISION AND ADD A SIGN THAT PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S A DRIVEWAY COMING UP THAT YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH PART TWO, IDENTIFY WHERE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACTS.
DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PART THREE AND SAY, WHY IS THIS POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACT? FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES ON AN EAF YOU, YOU CHECK THE BOX THAT THERE'S GROUNDWATER LESS THAN THREE FEET.
THAT MEANS YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
DOES THIS PROJECT HAVE AN IMPACT? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS.
SO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE'RE CONSERVATIVE.
WE'RE GONNA BE CHECKING BOXES THAT COULD BE MODERATE TO LARGE.
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HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER.IT'S NOT SAYING IT'S A, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT CLOSER.
SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW MEGAN, IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT LARGER BECAUSE OTHERWISE I CAN'T SEE IT.
IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS, HAS IT, YOU CAN MAKE IT LARGER.
MEGAN, CAN YOU TRY SHARING IT? 'CAUSE THAT'S COMING UP COMPLETELY UN ILLEGIBLE ON THE FACEBOOK FEED.
EVEN WHEN I ZOOM IT IN, I CAN SHARE IT ON MINE AND I CAN MAKE IT LARGER.
YOU'RE GONNA BE OUR OFFICIAL TECH, TECH WHATEVER ON THE, IF NEED NEW TITLE.
I KNOW IF I WANT THAT TITLE, BUT I'LL DO PRESENTER.
SO BILL, DO YOU WANT ME TO WALK THROUGH THIS AND LIKE WE'VE DONE BEFORE AND YOU GUYS JUMP IN WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON SOMETHING.
SO OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT HAS AN IMPACT ON LAND.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THE CRITERIA BELOW THERE TO SAY THAT THESE ARE POTENTIALLY THINGS THAT COULD CREATE LARGE IMPACTS BY THE EAF THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
THERE'S NOT A HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITION HERE.
THE GROUNDWATER IS LESS, MORE THAN FIVE FEET DOWN.
THERE ARE NO SLOPES GREATER, AT LEAST IN THE AREA AROUND WHERE THEY'RE DOING.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU GET RIGHT NEXT TO THE CREEK, THERE ARE SLOPES GREATER THAN 15% OR GREATER.
AND THEN IT BASICALLY SAYS IS THERE'S EXPOSED BEDROCK ON THE SITE AND BY THE EAF IT SAYS NO.
AND ONE IS ABOUT REMOVING MATERIALS.
THAT'S NO, THEY'RE NOT REMOVING MORE THAN A THOUSAND TONS OF MATERIAL FROM THE SITE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS CONSTRUCTION.
I CHECKED POTENTIALLY LARGE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T REMEMBER.
IS IS CONSTRUCTION GONNA TAKE PLACE OVER MORE THAN A YEAR OR HAVE MORE THAN ONE PHASE, SEAN? NO.
JIM, HOW LONG DO YOU ENVISION IT'LL TAKE? UH, I WOULD GUESS FOUR MONTHS.
AND THE REASON THEY HAVE THIS QUESTION ON HERE, ANYTHING LIKE THIS, IF YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION RELATED IMPACTS THAT GO ON FOR MORE THAN A YEAR OVER DIFFERENT PHASES, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT SO WE CAN CHANGE THAT BOX TO SAY THAT IT IS SMALL.
I, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHETHER THAT WAS IT.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PHYSICAL, UH, ACTION THAT RESULTS IN POTENTIALLY DISTURBANCE OF VEGETATION THAT COULD CAUSE SOME, UM, UH, VEGETATION REMOVAL AND WHATEVER.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF VEGETATION REMOVAL.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST ALL THE AREA THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING IN IS NOT VEGETATED, IT'S PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED.
I JUST THOUGHT THE PARKING LOT GOT INTO SOME AREAS AND THE STORMWATER POND, YOU GOT INTO SOME AREAS THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE VEGETATION.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE ONE BOX CHECK, CHECK POTENTIALLY LARGE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
THE TENNIS COURT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN SEATED OVER, BUT I DON'T, I MEAN, SO THERE'S SOME VEGETATION THERE SO I WOULD MAYBE AGREE WITH THAT THERE.
SO WE'VE CHECKED THAT BOX POTENTIALLY LARGE.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE PART THREE ANALYSIS.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE HERE THAT MET THAT WE'RE NOT IN A COASTAL EROSION HAZARD AREA.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ALONG, ALONG THE, UH, WATERFRONT TO THE LAKE.
UH, IN THE FUTURE THERE MAY BE EROSION HAZARD AREAS ALONG ALONG 18 MILE CREEK, BUT WE'VE CHECKED THAT BOX SMALL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE NEAR IT.
SO NEXT ONE, I DON'T WANT TO, NEXT ONE'S AN EASY ONE IS IF THEY'RE REGISTERED IMPORTANT GEOLOGICAL FEATURES, CLIFFS, DUNES, MINERAL FOSSIL CAVES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT GEOLOGICAL FEATURES.
I MEAN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CREEK.
THE CREEK IS AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR, BUT FROM A GEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT, THERE'S NOTHING IMPORTANT TO GEOLOGICALLY IN NIAGARA COUNTY.
WE RUN INTO THE ESCARPMENT, WHICH IS A GEOLOGICAL FEATURE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IMPACTS ON SURFACE WATER.
YES, WE'LL BE IMPACTING SURFACE WATER.
UM, LET'S JUMP TO THE ONES, I'LL SKIP OVER THE ONES.
UM, UH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FRESH WATER WETLANDS.
YES, BECAUSE THE A F MAPPER SAYS THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN PART THREE, THE INFORMATION THAT SEAN HAS SUBMITTED.
SO THIS, THAT BOX IS DEFINITELY POTENTIALLY LARGE 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOTED IN THE EAF MAPPER, UM, WITHDRAWAL OF WATER FROM SURFACE NOW.
WHEREAS THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, UH OH, SOIL EROSION.
AND AGAIN, IT, THERE YOU'RE GONNA BE DISTURBING SOILS.
YOU COULD HAVE EROSION THAT COULD GET IN.
ESPECIALLY IT'S IMPORTANT WITH CEA THAT IT WOULD GET INTO THE CREEK.
SO WE'VE CHECKED THAT BOX, POTENTIALLY LARGE.
AND CAMMI WILL TALK ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE STORM WATER AND HOW WE'RE PREVENTING THAT EROSION FROM GETTING INTO THOSE BODY STORM WATER BODIES.
I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT ELSE RISE TO THE LEVEL
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OF, OF SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.I BELIEVE THE A A F IS KIND OF NOT GOOD HERE.
IT SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IN THE WASTEWATER THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, SEWER OVERFLOWS IN THIS AREA.
BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS TALKING ABOUT FIXING THOSE SEWER OVERFLOWS SO THEY WOULD NOT GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE CREEK OR INTO A BODY THAT WOULD GET INTO THAT CREEK.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NOTED AQUIFER IN THIS AREA, WHICH I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE THERE IS AN AQUIFER AROUND THE VILLAGE.
IT DID NOT POP UP ON THE EAF MAPPER.
NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT, WE'RE NOT PULLING WATER FROM THE GROUNDWATER.
PEOPLE AREN'T ON PUBLIC WELLS OUT HERE.
UM, SO WE'VE CHECKED THAT BOX.
NO, IF ANYBODY KNOWS OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT DID NOT COME UP ON THE AF MAPPER.
OKAY, NEXT ONE IS IMPACT ON FLOODING.
THAT DOES CHECK YES, BECAUSE THERE IS A FLOOD PLAIN ASSOCIATED WITH 18 MILE CREEK.
UM, SO BASICALLY WE HAD TO CHECK THE BOX ABOUT THERE'S A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE PART THREE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE IMPACTING.
AND AGAIN, THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, ISSUES OF DRAINAGE AND, AND PATTERNS IN THE AREA.
SO THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AND WE, WE HAVE TO DO FURTHER REVIEW WHICH WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT THREE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT NEXT ONE? IMPACT ON AIR.
WE KNOW OF NOTHING THAT REQUIRES AN AIR PERMIT.
UH, SEAN AND MR. CLEARY THERE, THERE'S NOTHING RISING IN THERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED AN AIR PERMIT, CORRECT? NO.
I MEAN YOU MAY HAVE AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SMALL ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GONNA NEED AN AIR PERMIT.
CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
NOTHING SHOWS UP ON THE EAF MAPPER, WHICH I WAS VERY SURPRISED AT.
USUALLY WE RUN INTO SOME THREATEN OR ENDANGERED SPECIES OR WHATEVER, BUT NOTHING SHOWED UP.
NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEER.
UH, BOB, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, UH, THE IMPACT ON ANIMALS.
NOW I LIVE AS YOU AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, I LIVE HERE AND I JUST JUST HEARD CALY SAY THAT SHE STOPPED BY THERE.
AND I DUNNO HOW MANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE STOPPED OVER THERE.
THERE'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE WILDLIFE OVER THERE SINCE THE BUBBLE HAS COME DOWN.
UM, WE HAVE TWO RED FOX IN BOTH MY YARD, MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD, AND WE HAVE TWO SIGHTINGS OF WOOD.
CHUCK, MY BUNNY, MY MORNING BUNNY IS GONE.
I'VE ALREADY, UM, REACHED, LOOKED INTO I BOX, PROBABLY TOOK CARE OF IT.
I I I'M, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE IT DID.
BUT I'VE WALKED, I'VE WALKED BACK THERE MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN BEFORE THEY DO THE CONSTRUCTION.
MY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY TEAR DOWN? DOES, IS IT ROGER OR WHO DOES AN INSPECTION OF INSIDE THAT? WHAT'S GOING ON? WHEN I WALKED OVER BY THIS BUILDING, THERE WAS MULTIPLE NUMBERS OF SOME CRITTERS ALL AROUND THIS BUILDING.
I DIDN'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WHAT IT WAS, BUT DEER, YES, THERE, THERE'S DEER, BACKYARD SEEING THEM EVERY MORNING.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SEEING A
UH, AGAIN, THESE TWO RED FOX HAVE APPEARED.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE NOTICED THEM.
MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR HAS BEEN WATCHING IT.
THEY'RE BETWEEN HIS YARD AND MY YARD.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS THERE.
HAS, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OR NOBODY DID A STUDY ON IT? SO I LIVE HERE, SO I, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND, AND BOB, UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE EAF AND THE EF MAPPER IS GENERATED ON THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES.
SO IT DOESN'T CONSIDER THINGS LIKE RABBITS AND DEER AND FOX AND WHATEVER.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION SOMETIMES, AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE PART THREE.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE C PART OF THE CEA IS THE IMPORTANCE OF IT ACTING AS A WILDLIFE CARD OR ET CETERA OR WHATEVER.
MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.
BUT FROM THIS STANDPOINT, NOTHING SHOWS UP AS THREATENING OR ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THAT AREA THAT WE HAVE TO THEN DO, DO WILDLIFE STUDIES, ET CETERA.
UM, TYPICALLY, I AGREE WITH YOU, BOB.
ANYTIME YOU BUILD SOMETHING OR CHANGE AN ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE CERTAIN ANIMALS AWAY.
I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING DISTURBED AREA FOOTPRINT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT TO THE SPECIES IN THE AREA, BUT TO THE NON-THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THE AREA.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT UNDER, UNDER THE, UNDER THE PART THREE.
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I CHECKED THE BOX ONLY HERE BECAUSE NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE EF MAPPER.OKAY, BOB, BOB, JUST TO ADD ONTO WHAT DREW SAID TOO IS LIKE ALL THOSE SPECIES AND YOU KNOW, WE OCCASIONALLY SEE THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, OVER AT OUR HOUSE AND WE'RE NOT TOO FAR AWAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL CAN BE HABITUATED TO LIFE WITH, WITH NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AND, AND LOW LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD, WHILE YOU MIGHT TEMPORARILY DISPLACE SOME OF 'EM, THEY STILL MAY BE RUNNING THROUGH, THROUGH THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL ULTIMATELY CHANGE THE, THE POPULATION LEVEL DYNAMICS.
I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE NON-THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES IS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE CREEK AND PUT FENCING AND WHATEVER AND STOP THE MOVEMENT OF, OF ANIMALS AND WHATEVER ALONG THAT TREE, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T NOT THREATENED OR, OR ENDANGERED SPECIES.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO ALLOW THE, THE, THE ANIMALS STILL TO OCCUPY THE AREA AND MOVE ALONG THE TREE CART OR ET CETERA.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WHAT KAITLIN SAYS, YOU KNOW, RABBITS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS BACK THERE.
I LIKE I SAID, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING BACK THERE THAT WHAT DO, WHAT ARE THEY CONSIDERED ENDANGERED OR, OR SPECIES? THE STATE, THE STATE HAS A LIST, BOB.
THEY, THEY HAVE A LIST OF WHAT THEY WERE QUITE EXTENSIVE LISTS OF WHAT IS THREATENED, ENDANGERED OR, OR THOSE PROTECTED SPECIES.
THEY HAVE A VERY LONG LIST AND WHATEVER.
AND, AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT IT DID NOT POP UP THAT SOMETHING WAS IN THIS AREA.
'CAUSE USUALLY ALONG A STREAM CARD OR, I MEAN I KNOW ALONG OUR WATERFRONT HAVE LOTS OF THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES.
ANYTHING THAT CROSSES INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES IS THE PROTECTED SPECIES.
I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT THAT, THAT GOOD QUESTION.
I, I SAID PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS.
I WON'T, I'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IMPACT ON AG RESOURCES.
THIS IS NOT AN AGRICULTURE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY, I MEAN IT'S NOT USED FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
IMPACT ON AESTHETIC RESOURCES.
SOMEONE COULD ARGUE THAT TYPICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AESTHETIC RESOURCES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE ARE, THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT, THOSE ARE IN PLANS, ET CETERA.
SINCE WE HAVE 18 MILE CREEK HERE, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT AN, AN IMPORTANT AESTHETIC RESOURCE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT WILL THIS IMPACT THAT THAT AESTHETIC RESOURCE TO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO VISUALLY ENJOY THAT AESTHETIC RESOURCE.
SO I'VE CHECKED A COUPLE BOXES, POTENTIALLY LARGE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT RESOURCE.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PART THREE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT IMPACT, IS THAT CAUSING A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT? SO LET'S MOVE ON.
WE KNOW THIS, THIS IS A POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACT 'CAUSE OF CEA ARCHEOLOGICAL, I HAD TO CHECK THE BOX.
'CAUSE IT SHOWS UP AS AN ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE AREA.
AS YOU KNOW, LATER ON WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE FACT IN PART THREE THAT HE GOT A LETTER, THEY GOT A LETTER FROM SHIPPO SAYING THAT THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS THERE.
SO WE DID THAT FOLLOW UP ALREADY, BUT BY THIS FORM, I HAVE TO CHECK THAT BOX POTENTIALLY LARGE BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW UP AS ARCHEOLOGIC POTENTIALLY ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE.
GO BACK TO THE ONE WHERE THE IMPACT OF THE AESTHETIC
WE HAVE A CABIN RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD WITHIN A HALF A HALF A MILE.
WELL, YOU COULD CHECK, YOU COULD CHECK THAT BOX.
THERE'S, IT'S, WE, I FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY LARGE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO ANALYZE IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT ONE, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AESTHETIC IMPACT, BOB.
OH, WE DID THE HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL.
IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
OBVIOUSLY THIS SITE IS USED FOR RECREATION AT THIS POINT, UH, HAS, HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED AT FOR RECREATION.
UM, AND I ALSO CHECKED THE FIRST BOX ABOUT ECOSYSTEMS BECAUSE 18 MILE CREEK IS KIND OF IN A, AN IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE AND A RESOURCE TO THE TOWN.
SO THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACTS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IN PART THREE.
NUMBER 12 IS ONE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT.
UH, I DON'T GET TO CHECK THIS BOX TOO OFTEN, BUT THE TOWN IS BLESSED WITH THE CEA.
AND THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS BECAUSE WE'RE ADJACENT TO OR WITHIN A-C-E-A-I CHECKED THE BOXES.
I CHECKED LARGE, UH, I, I CHECKED, YES.
AND THE ONLY ONE I CHECKED WAS THE MOVEMENT OF WHATEVER.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY
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AND A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IN THE AREA.AND THEN 14, I WANNA GET THE PART THREE 14 IS IMPACT ON ENERGY.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE THE ENERGY USES IN THE AREA WITH A BRAND NEW FACILITY.
I DID NOT CHECK ANY POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACTS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EVALUATE IN PART THREE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY'RE INCREASING ENERGY, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD GENERATE THE KIND OF ENERGY THAT IS, THAT IS LISTED THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED A NEW SUBSTATION.
I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GENERATING 2000 MEGAWATT HOURS PER YEAR OF ELECTRICITY.
UM, AND YOU'RE NOT DOING AN HVA SYSTEM FOR BUILDING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUILDING.
SO THOSE BOXES WERE ALL CHECKED, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A POTENTIAL IMPACT TO ENERGY, THEY'RE ALL SMALL IMPACT ON NOISE, ODOR AND LIGHT.
AND I'VE CHECKED THE BOXES RELATED TO, UH, NOISE AND I'VE CHECKED THE BOX RELATED TO THERE ARE, UH, POTENTIAL, UM, UH, RESIDENCES WITHIN THE AREA.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE BLASTING, THERE'S NO BLASTING THAT OCCUR ON THIS SITE, I WOULD ASSUME.
AND THEN WE CHECK THE BOX ABOUT LIGHTING, UH, AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
BUT WE HAD TO CHECK THOSE BOX.
YES, THEY'RE ADDING LIGHTING SYSTEMS TO THE AREA.
ALRIGHT, CHANGING 15 B TO NOWHERE SMALL IMPACT BECAUSE OF THE BLASTING.
OH, OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ECHOING THERE CAITLIN.
NO, I, I THINK CAITLIN AND I JUST SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.
I THOUGHT I HEARD HER SAYING, YEAH, THERE'S NO BLASTING.
THAT THAT, YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO BLASTING ON THE SITE.
UM, SO THE, THE, I'VE CHECKED THE BOXES RELATED TO NOISE AND LIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT O UH, NOISE AND LIGHT IN THE, IN THE PART THREE AND IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH.
THERE'S NO REMEDIATION SITES, LANDFILLS, ET CETERA IN THIS AREA.
NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE AF MAPPER.
I'M ASSUMING THERE IS NOT ANYTHING.
THIS, THIS EXAMPLE I GAVE, WE CHECKED THIS BOX NO FOR THE ONE OF THE TAYLOR ROAD PROPERTIES AND THEN IT, WE FOUND OUT FROM RECORDS THAT THERE WAS AN OLD LANDFILL AT THE BACK OF THE SITE.
YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT PROJECT? REMEMBER THE SUBDIVISION THAT WENT IN THERE? I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING.
NOTHING SHOWS UP ON THE MAPPER ABOUT CONTAMINATED SITES HERE.
17 IMPACT ON, UH, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS.
OBVIOUSLY THE BIG IMPACT HERE IS IT'S NOT ZONED CORRECTLY
SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE PART THREE THAT IT'S NOT ZONED CORRECTLY.
WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF IT NOT BEING ZONED CORRECTLY? AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
WE COULD ALWAYS ARGUE ABOUT IS IT INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER? WELL, IT'S KIND OF THERE ALREADY.
IF YOU WANNA CHECK THAT BOX, YES, UH, YOU CAN, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, TO ME IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S THE KIND OF USE THAT'S BEEN THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SETTINGS, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE SUBHEADINGS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, DOING A BIG DEMAND ON SCHOOLS OR POLICE OR FIRE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT IMPACTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE ABOUT? UM, INTER INTERFERE WITH THE USE OF, UH, PUBLIC RES.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, SO IN ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, I KIND OF CHEATED AND LOOKED AT THE SUBHEADINGS AND SAID, WELL, DOES ANYTHING RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SAYING THIS IS A COMMUNITY CHARACTER PROBLEM? ANYBODY? I MEAN, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THAT.
IT WAS JUST, I CHECKED NO BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE SUBCATEGORIES THAT, THAT GAVE ME CONCERN.
WHEN YOU SAY
SO MEGAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE PART THREE KIND OF I DID, YEAH.
DREW, CAN WE JUST PAUSE? I HAD A QUESTION.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK, I WANTED BOB'S INPUT ON, UH, 18.
UH, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, UM, WHAT'S THE QUESTION?
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FAIR WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH IT.
IF IT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT USE THERE NOW, AND YOU PUT THAT IN THERE, I DEFINITELY
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WOULD BE CHECKING THAT BOX THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS.
IF YOU GO BACKWARDS, IF YOU GO BACK, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
SARAH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTION, MORE QUESTIONS FROM FACEBOOK? NO.
WENDY'S VERY HAPPY THAT THERE'LL BE NO BLASTING.
SO MY, FOR THE MERE FACT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, THERE'S A GROUP HOME, A NEW YORK STATE LICENSED GROUP HOME ONLY, ONLY BUILT ONLY HOUSES DOWN FROM WHERE THIS, IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN THIS, THIS SITE AND, UM, THE CABIN.
THERE'S A, A GROUP HOME THERE WITH, UH, WITH NEW YORK STATE DISABILITY.
UM, AND BY AND BY LAW WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT JUST AS WE WOULD CONSIDER A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
'CAUSE THEY ARE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
CORRECT GROUP HOMES ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT ANYWAY, IF WE CAN MOVE TO THE PART THREE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT BOB AND OTHERS HAVE ASKED.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH OR DO YOU NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO ENSURE I THE PART THREE? MEGAN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE.
HOW IS THE PART TWO? I DON'T HAVE PART INCLUDE THE PART TWO YOU'RE SAYING? YEP.
IS IT UP ON THE SCREEN? OH, WE DIDN'T GET, NO, IT'S NOT ON THE SCREEN YET.
IT'S IN DREW'S EMAIL FROM ONE 30 ON MONDAY.
AND I SENT THE PART TWO AND THE PART THREE TOGETHER.
REMEMBER THE PART THREE? IT SAYS I HAVE IT.
JUST LET ME CHANGE MY SCREEN SHARING PROFILE.
SO I'M JUST, I MAY HAVE GOTTEN THAT.
IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE LARGER THOUGH.
SO AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE, A PART THREE ANALYSIS, AS YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, BASICALLY SAYS ANYTHING THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
SO THE FIRST ONE, UNDER IMPACT OF LAND, WE CHECKED YES.
AND WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT EROSION AND, AND, AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND WHATEVER.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KAMI FEELS VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AS IT EXISTS NOW.
NOT THAT SHE'S APPROVED IT, BUT THAT IT WILL NOT CAUSE EROSION AND AND PROBLEMS INTO, INTO THE CREEK.
THAT UNDER THEIR SW THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO KEEP ANY OF THAT FROM GETTING INTO THE CREEK.
AND THAT'LL BE VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS PROJECT.
WE DO NOT WANT THAT KIND OF RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, OF IMPACT OF LAND? THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
THEY, THEY, THEY CORRECTED THE ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER THEY WERE GONNA CONSTRUCT FOR MORE THAN ONE YEAR OR HAVE MULTIPLE PHASES.
THEY'RE DOING IT ALL, ALL IN LESS THAN A YEAR.
FOUR MONTHS YOU SAID? YEAH, JUST CONFIRMING THAT THEY, THAT THERE'S MORE THAN AN ACRE OF DISTURBANCE AND THAT THEY'VE TRIGGERED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SW AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, JOHN YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO PUT TOGETHER A SW THAT'S YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.
ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA, MIGHT AS WELL TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA COME UP UNDER SURFACE WATER TOO.
SO, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY LUCKY BECAUSE, UM, THESE DRAWINGS ARE PRETTY FAR ALONG.
UM, WHEREAS WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT JUST A SINGLE PAGE SITE PLAN.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE SENT ME A WHOLE SET, UM, WHICH IS FAIRLY ALONG IN THE ENGINEERING PROCESS.
SO YOU CAN ALREADY SEE HOW THEY PLAN TO MEET THEIR STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAIN THEIR SPEED PERMIT.
UM, ALTHOUGH THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT A FULL SW UH, FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE TOWN.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT, IT BEING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A SITE, YOU TAKE A SITE THAT HAD LESS STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS AND YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO ALL THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR DRAINAGE AND EROSION, SEDIMENT CONTROL AND SO ON.
SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE PROJECT WILL DO THAT.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO 18 MILE CREEK.
I KNOW SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH 18 MILE CREEK IS THE SENTIMENT AND OTHER SEDIMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GETTING INTO THE CREEK AND HURTING.
ITS THE QUALITY OF THE, OF THE CLASS A STREAM THAT IT IS.
WANNA MOVE TO IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SEAN HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WETLANDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I PUT IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A WETLANDS CONSULTANT OR NOT, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN YELLOW.
'CAUSE I WAS JUST GUESSING WHETHER THEY WERE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE OR NOT.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE GONE THE ROUTE OF BASICALLY PROVIDING YOU THE MAPS SHOWING THAT THERE ARE NO
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MAPPED FEDERAL OR STATE WETLANDS.UM, THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, IM IMPACTING WHETHER THEY'RE NON MAPPED FEDERAL WETLANDS.
THEIR RESPONSE HAS BEEN BASICALLY THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING MO MOSTLY ON THE DISTURBED AREAS OF THE SITE.
SO THEY BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS AN ISOLATED FEDERAL WETLAND NON-AP THAT THERE, THEY WOULDN'T BE IMPACTING THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT, SEAN? THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO THEM? YEAH.
THAT IT'S, IT'S CORRECT BECAUSE OF THE FACT, AGAIN, OUR PROJECT IS PURPOSELY BEEN DESIGNED TO TAKE PLACE PRE PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISTURBED.
YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S, IT'S PRETTY GOOD INFORMATION.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD SOME INKLING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, DISCHARGING INTO AN EXISTING DITCH ON THE SITE FROM THE POND, I ASSUME WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OTHER IMPACTS TO THAT DITCH.
'CAUSE THAT DITCH IS PROBABLY A JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND.
SO WE'RE NOT FILLING IN OR MOVING THAT DITCH, RIGHT? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT BACK TO IT.
THE, THE, THE STEEPNESS OF THE DITCHES SUCH THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO EXTEND OUR PIPE VERY FAR INTO IT TO DISCHARGE IT.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT DEFINITELY WHEN YOU SEE AN INTERMITTENT, ANY KIND OF DITCH OR STREAM OR WHATEVER TO A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A REGULATED FEDERAL WETLAND.
ESPECIALLY CONNECTING TO 18 MILE CREEK.
SO IT IS, IT IS HYDRAULICALLY CONNECTED TO A, TO A WETLAND AREA.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE CREEK WHERE YOU'D HAVE ANY AMOUNT OF WATER IN IT.
AND THEN THE REST OF THIS IS CONCERNING THE STORM WATER IMPACTS THE SURFACE WATER AND THE, AND THE PLANS DEALING WITH SWIFT, WHICH CAMMY HAS TALKED ABOUT THERE.
AND THEN I PUT IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER OVERFLOWS, WHICH I KNOW DON'T GO DIRECTLY TO THE CREEK, BUT MAY END UP IN THE CREEK IF THEY'RE FLOWING INTO DITCHES AND WHATEVER IN THE AREA.
I THINK THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING RID OF THOSE SEWER OVERFLOWS THAT OCCUR NOW.
UH, MR. EVAN ASKS, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS WITH THE DITCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CREEK TOWARDS TAYLOR ROAD? IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL, JUST BEYOND HIS PROPERTY.
IS THAT THE DITCH THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN OUT AND MAINTAIN? RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
SO CAN I ANSWER THAT? I, YEAH.
CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? CHRIS, YOU CHIME INTO, WE ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THE NEARBY NEIGHBOR THE LAST TIME WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO ATTEND A LIVE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND THERE IS A DITCH THAT ACTUALLY STARTS AT THE BACK OF THOSE PROPERTY LINES THAT DEFINITELY IS IN NEED OF MAINTENANCE.
AND WE'VE AGREED THAT YES, WE WILL DO THAT.
IT JUST HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE CURRENT OWNER.
YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
UH, SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EVERYBODY HOLD THEIR QUESTIONS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE REALLY THE LAST TIME BOB GOT IN SOME TROUBLE WITH HIS NEIGHBORS BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP 'CAUSE IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AT AT SITE PLAN AND THAT'LL BE A FORMAL INPUT.
BUT THE SEEKER LAW REQUIRES US TO ALLOW PUBLIC TO COMMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SEEKER, BUT WE, WE MUST ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
SO THOSE ARE GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC 'CAUSE THEY'RE RELATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND WHATEVER.
SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT INSIGHT PLAN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMMENT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS RELATE TO ENVIRONMENTAL, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL DECISION WITH, WITH PUBLIC INPUT, THE SECRET LAW REQUIRES TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT ON ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO THOSE ARE, AS LONG AS WE STICK THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THAT'S A GOOD ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN SITE PLAN REVIEW TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT, THAT DITCH AT THE FRONT.
AND SO ALSO, THIS IS, THIS IS SARAH ALSO, DON'T FORGET THAT YOU ASKED ME TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET AND ASK THEM TO COMMENT ON ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
AND WE ASKED YOU TO DO THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
ANY OTHER ISSUES ON SURFACE WATER? YEAH, DREW, JUST ONE OTHER POINT ON DENNIS'S THING.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THESE COMMENTS NOW, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO COMMENT ON SEEKER 'CAUSE THAT PORTION WOULD BE CLOSED.
THAT'LL BE CLOSED AND WE'LL BY THE TIME WE GET TO SITE PLAN REVIEW, SEEKER WILL BE DONE.
AND BY THE WAY, THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO ATTEND THE MEETINGS FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE USE VARIANCE OR ATTEND BY HOWEVER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ATTEND.
THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE USE VARIANCE TOO.
UM, SO THERE ARE ALSO CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE PLACED ON USE VARIANCES.
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NEXT ONE IS IMPACT ON FLOODING.AND AGAIN, WE HAD TO CHECK THE BOX 'CAUSE THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN IN THIS AREA, BUT BASICALLY BY THE DRAWINGS, ET CETERA, WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THAT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND FLOODING IN THE AREA AND HOW IT'LL BE HANDLED THROUGH THE NEW, NEW POND SYSTEM.
BUT WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE FLOODPLAIN.
IT IS, WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE FLOODPLAIN BY THE CREEK.
SO WE'RE NOT FILLING OR DOING ANYTHING TO AFFECT THAT FLOODPLAIN.
IMPACT ON AESTHETICS ALWAYS MY FAVORITE DUE TO THE CEA.
WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE VIEWS OF THE CREEK FROM OUTSIDE THE SITE.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GUYS ARE, ARE LOCATED IN THAT AREA.
AND UNDERSTAND THAT I COULD NOT TELL OBVIOUSLY FROM AERIAL PHOTOS AND, AND WHATEVER IS THAT I DON'T, ARE WE IMPACTING ANY SIGNIFICANT VIEWS OF THE 18 MILE CREEK BY WHAT THEY'RE DOING? WE'RE TAKING DOWN A, A A A, UH, DOME.
SO DO YOU THINK THIS IN THE AREA, WILL THAT BE IMPACTING ANY VIEWS OF THE 18 MILE CREEK? IF IT GOES WELL? YEAH, IT'LL GO UP BETWEEN, I'M NOT SURE OF THE CONTRACT, SO I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT I WAS TOLD VERBALLY.
IT GOES FROM OCTOBER UNTIL MAY.
THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YES, THE DOME'S GONNA BACK UP.
WILL THE ADDITION OF THE NEW FACILITY CREATE OTHER VIEW SHED PROBLEMS OF, OF THE 18 MILE CREEK? IF I'M A NEIGHBOR AND I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE CREEK, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, I HAVE THIS BUILDING THAT'S BLOCKING MY VIEW.
I DIDN'T APPEAR THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T WELL, SINCE IT'S GOING IN, IN THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS, I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IS BUILDING TALLER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING.
I'M NOT, I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL HE WILL HAVE BEEN.
I THINK IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE CREEK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SUCH A BIG ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN WHERE THE BUILDING IS AND WHERE THE CREEK'S LOCATED.
YOU HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THE CREEK FROM THE ROAD ANYWAY.
IF, IF ANYBODY EVEN COULD SEE IT, THERE'S A 25, ABOUT 25 FOOT, UH, EMBANKMENT, 25 EMBANKMENT DOWN TO THE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT MR. CLEARY DESCRIBED EARLIER IN OUR MEETINGS THAT THIS OPEN DOORS WILL BE FACING THE CREEK.
SO WHERE THIS, WHERE THIS, THERE'S GONNA BE OPEN DOORS WHERE THE BUBBLE IS, IT'S ALMOST, BUT THIRD, I WANNA SAY MAYBE 40, 50 FEET FACING THE CREEK FROM THE ROAD TO THE LEFT.
IN MY OPINION, IF, IF DEPENDS HOW FAR BACK HE GOES, IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT ANY, ANY VISION IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN OR HOW FAR IT'S GONNA GO BACK OR, OR FORWARD.
BUT IT'S RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXISTING SITE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE SAME LINE ONLY TO THE, IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT.
SO IF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE PUT THE EXACT SAME SPOT, IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT IT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS RELATED TO YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK BOB WAS, WAS ON THE NEXT PART OF THAT EAF QUESTION WAS TALKING ABOUT SIMILAR FACILITIES IN THE AREA.
THAT'S ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT'S SAYING WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND THERE ARE OTHER TYPE FACILITIES LIKE THAT IN THE AREA.
SO THAT, THAT IS ALSO A BENEFIT TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE AREA FROM AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.
AND WE'RE NOT MARKING ANY VIEWS FROM THE TRAVELING PUBLIC OR FROM THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE CREEK FROM THE ROAD IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
I COULD NOT TELL FROM THE, FROM THE UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO STREET VIEW AND WHATEVER, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
YOU, YOU'RE, I AND I AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO IMPACT AND HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL.
THIS AREA IS AN ARCH ARCHE SENSITIVE AREA AND THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE TO THAT HAS PROVIDED A SIGN OFF LETTER FROM CIPO BASICALLY SAYING THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THIS WILL HAVE ANY IMPACTS ON CULTURAL RESOURCES, ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
SO THAT WAS AN EASY ANSWER THAT THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BY THE RESPONSE FROM SHIPKO OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE CONTINUING THE RECREATION AT THE SITE.
CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT THE
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RECREATION THAT OCCURS THERE NOW IS GONNA CONTINUE AND THAT THE CREEK CHARTER, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE FEATURE.HAVE WE DETERMINED THAT THAT IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE FEATURE IS NOT GONNA BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT? THAT'S MORE OF A SUBJECTIVE THING.
I MEAN, ACCESS CREEK ISN'T GONNA CHANGE AT ALL.
I MISSED ANY OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE OPEN SPACE FEATURE OF THE 18 MILE CREEK? I DON'T THINK THEY'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THAT.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
THE CEA, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CCEA WAS CREATED BECAUSE 18 MILE CREEK IS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN THE TOWN.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT QUALITY, QUALITY OF, OF THE STREAM, PROTECTING THE QUALITY AND THE AESTHETIC VALUE AND THE, AND THE, AND AND ACTING AS A IMPORTANT CONNECTION FEATURE FROM A STANDPOINT OF ANIMALS AND STUFF.
HAVE WE HAVE, WILL THIS PROJECT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT? CEA, THE REASONS FOR THAT CEA BEING CREATED? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE A BIG IMPACT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHANGING MUCH OF THE FOOTPRINT AND THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING ANY MOVEMENTS OF ANIMALS OR ANYTHING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPING THE TREES.
THEY'RE ONLY DEVELOPING AN EXISTING DEVELOPED AREAS.
IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY IMPACT.
I WOULD MAYBE SAY IT'S GONNA BE SOME SORT OF NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT.
I MEAN, NOT REALLY QUANTIFIABLE IMPACT.
BUT WHEN WE GET THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, MR. CLEARY AND, AND, AND SEAN THINK ABOUT IT, WE COULD TALK ABOUT ADDING A, A KNOW SOME SORT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT AT THE BACK OF THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO, IN THE FUTURE, TEARS DOWN, TAKES DOWN TREES, ET CETERA, OR WHATEVER ON THE SITE.
AND WHATEVER IT DOES IMPACT CLOSE TO THE CREEK CART.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A LATER DATE UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW.
RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING IMPACTING, BUT AS A EXTRA PROTECTION, WE MAY WANT DO THAT.
WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WITH PROJECTS ALONG 18 MILE CREEK.
I SAID THE CEA DOES THAT ALSO.
BUT THE CEA, THE CEA IDENTIFIES IT, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE, THE TOWN CAN'T GO OUT AND ENFORCE SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE CEA.
YOUR CEA IS POWERED THROUGH APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO UNDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE CAN'T CONDITION A SEEKER NECK DECK.
WE'RE SAYING THIS PROJECT DOES NOT IMPACT THE CEA.
BUT UNDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE COULD CONSIDER, I'M ASKING MR. CLEARY AND SEAN AND YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER POSSIBLY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF THE CHECK THAT, THAT AREA IN THE BACK OF THE SITE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO DISCUSS.
I CAN'T CONDITION IT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING A CONDITION NECK DECK.
BUT I CAN SAY IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CONSIDER YOUR PROJECT IS NOT IMPACTING NET CARTER, BUT SOME WAY PROTECTING IT LONG TERM COULD BE, COULD BE A POSITIVE THING UNDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CEA? WE'LL KEEP US MOVING.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS.
DO YOU GUYS FEEL SATISFIED WITH THE ISSUE, THE COUNTY SAYING IT'S NOT IMPACTING, ITS THE ROAD.
SRF IS SAYING IT'S NOT IMPACTING THAT COUNTY HIGHWAY OR THE ROADS IN THE AREA.
AND THEN WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT, ABOUT THE INTERSECTION, THE DRIVEWAY INTERSECTION, WHICH IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND WHETHER THAT WILL BE SAFE ENOUGH TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT SITE.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT UNDER SITE PLAN.
WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER A SIGN AND POSSIBLY SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS OF REMOVING SOME VEGETATION.
SO YOU HAVE GOOD SITE DISTANCES IN EITHER DIRECTION.
DO EVERYBODY, DOES EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH.
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OKAY.IMPACT ON REALLY NO, WE'RE THEY'RE MEETING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THIS BUILDING TO THE STATE ENERGY CODE AND OTHERWISE THEY'RE NOT A BIG USER OF ENERGY.
BUT IT'S GOOD THAT ANYTHING NEW WILL BE BUILT WILL BE BUILT TO THE STATE ENERGY CODE.
LET'S GET THE NOISE, ODOR AND LIGHT.
SEAN HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE ANY EXISTING LIGHTING THAT IS NON-COMPLIANT OR JUST REMOVE IT.
ANYTHING NEW WILL BE AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WILL BE SHIELDED.
AND THEY'VE GIVEN, UH, ALSO A LIGHTING PLAN TO SHOW HOW FAR THAT LIGHT GOES WILL BE SHIELDED AND WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO THIS AREA WILL NOT GLOW ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO A CEA AND VEG AND AND SPECIES OR WHATEVER IN THE AREA THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN AREA THAT'S GONNA GLOW IN THE DARK.
UM, ALSO, I ASSUME MR. LIGHTS WILL BE SHUT OFF LIGHT.
UM, WILL THERE BE LIGHTING AT THE ENTRANCE? WILL THERE BE ANY APPROVED IMPROVED LIGHTING? IT'S VERY DARK ON THAT, THAT AREA OF TAYLOR ROAD.
WILL THERE BE ON THE PLAN? THEY ABOUT, THERE'S ONE NEAR THE ENTRANCE ON THE LIGHTING PLAN THEY SUBMITTED.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A LIGHT BY THE ENTRANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON LIGHT? THEN WE'LL MOVE TO NOISE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING HERE THAT'S GONNA GENERATE ANY SIGNIFICANT NOISE.
THERE WAS CONCERN ORIGINALLY BY THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AT THE FIRST MEETING, UH, ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DOORS OPEN IN THE BACK AND, AND WILL IT, WILL IT IMPACT THOSE NEIGHBORS? RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS THAT, THAT IT WOULD NOT RUN TILL THAT PAST 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THE TOWN'S NOISE ORDINANCE IS 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SOMEONE COULD CALL AND COMPLAIN AFTER 11, BUT RIGHT NOW THE APPLICANT'S SAYING THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF RUNNING, RUNNING THE PARTIES PAST 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO SATISFY THE CONCERNS OF NOISE IN THAT AREA? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE NOISE GENERATION IS THE PARTY THAT OCCUR.
WELL THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BUSINESS THING THAT'S, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE.
I MEAN, I THAT'S A HOSPITALITY THING.
YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT BAND HE'S GONNA HAVE OR SOUND.
AS LONG AS IT'S GOOD MUSIC, I LIKE, I DON'T CARE.
MEANING YOU CAN'T BRING IN YOUR OWN MASSIVE SPEAKERS AND YOUR OWN TECHNOLOGY.
YOU HAVE TO USE THE FACILITY SYSTEM THAT DOES GIVE US CONTROL.
IN THIS CASE, SEAN AND, AND MR. CLEARY, THERE'S NO OUTSIDE, UH, UH, BANDS AND STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED.
THAT COULD BE A REASONABLE CONDITION ADDED, UH, UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW.
YOU'RE NOT DOING OUTDOOR BANDS AND STUFF.
SEAN, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT AND JIM, MR. CLEARY, THAT YOU'RE SUPPLYING A SOUND SYSTEM FOR THIS EVENT.
SO PEOPLE COME IN THERE, THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR MUSIC FOR THEIR WEDDING IS GUIDED UNDER YOUR SOUND SYSTEM.
WE'LL CONTROL THE SIZE OF THE SPEAKERS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THEY, THEY'LL BRING IN THEIR OWN STUFF, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO HOOK UP TO THE SPEAKERS.
IF I PUT UP ONE INCH OR ONE FOOT SPEAKERS, THEY CAN'T BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT SPEAKERS AND, AND HOOK 'EM UP.
THERE'LL BE NO ADDITIONAL AMPLIFIERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE BROUGHT IN THEM.
IT'S, IT'S NO FUN WHEN IT'S SO LOUD THAT PEOPLE CAN'T RIGHT.
AND THEN THE OUTSIDE SPACE IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH IT, RIGHT? NO, NO.
THE ONLY THING IS THERE, THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE, IF THE CEREMONY ITSELF IS OUTSIDE, THERE'LL BE LOW LEVEL MUSIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE CEREMONY.
BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE COCKTAIL HOURS OUTSIDE OR OUTDOOR RECEPTIONS IN THE SUMMER.
AND THAT'S A CONDITION WE CAN PUT ON JIM, THAT, THAT, LIKE WHAT MEGAN SAID, YOU
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CONTROL WHERE THESE PEOPLE GO.THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF YOUR BUSINESS, NOT NOT THE CATERER.
IT'LL BE YOUR STAFF THAT CONTROLS IT.
THIS WILL BE RUN BY MY FAMILY.
THIS WILL BE RUN BY MY FAMILY O OKAY.
NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CATERER DOESN'T CONTROL THAT YOU DO.
AND AS FAR AS THE OTHER MUSIC GOES, IT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT AS A POSSIBLE CONDITION.
I'M GONNA TO GET TO THE SITE PLAN PHASE OR IF I GET TO SITE PLAN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT THAT IS, 'CAUSE I CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON SEEKER, BUT BASED UPON WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED AND WHATEVER THAT THAT IS A FACT THAT BASICALLY THERE'LL BE NO OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR MUSIC EVENTS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT FOR NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT AS A FACT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT INCLUDE OUT OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR MUSIC EVENTS AND STUFF.
THE LAST ONE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS CONSISTENTLY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS.
AND THIS IS CHECKED BECAUSE IT NEEDS A USE VARIANCE.
I'LL QUICKLY CUT TO THE CHASE.
IS THAT, IS THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, IT'S NOT ZONED CORRECTLY, BUT IT IS THE USE THAT'S THERE NOW, KIND OF THE USE THAT'S THERE NOW.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY CONSIDERED ANY OTHER THINGS FOR THAT AREA.
I DON'T THINK THE MASTER PLANS IN THIS AREA SHOULD BE X, Y, OR Z.
IT WAS JUST INCORPORATED IN THE FACT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN THERE.
IT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWN FOR 25 YEARS AND WHENEVER I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT THINGS PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT'S MY OPINION.
I'M LOOKING FOR LEGAL'S OPINION AND IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO REMEMBER THAT IT'S NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENT USE THAN THE TAYLOR ROAD CABIN THAT'S OPERATED BY THE TOWN.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO SAY IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THE TOWN IS OPERATING A SIMILAR TYPE FACILITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EXCUSE ME, BUT EXCUSE ME ABOUT THE CARVAN.
IS THE CAMERON MAINTAINED BY ANY STAFF OF THE TOWN BILL? OH, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO EVENTS THERE AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY THERE.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT WE DID OUR ONE MEETING THERE, THAT SPECIAL MEETING WE HELD.
IT WAS THE TOWN THAT HANDED OVER THE KEYS AND HOW TO DO THE STUFF.
BUT I IF YOU, IF YOU RENTED, IF YOU RENTED, SAY FOR YOUR, YOUR SON'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, IS THERE STAFF THERE? LIKE IF YOU NEED ANYTHING? NO.
OKAY, SARAH, WERE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK? I ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION ON THIS TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
SO IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY CAN BE SUBMITTED.
IT'S NOT OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.
DID YOU GUYS CONSIDER THIS? UM, SO WE'VE GOT ONE MORE COMMENT FROM ONE THE WANTS, WANTING CONFIRMATION ABOUT THE OUTSIDE AREA, BUT I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE AREAS BEING DETERMINED FOR OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES AT THIS SITE.
WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT THERE ARE NO, AND THAT'LL BE PUT IN PLACE UNDER SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND POTENTIALLY WITH SOME CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DISTURBING MORE OF THIS SITE.
ALSO, YOU GUYS GOT THE EMAIL I, I FORWARDED TO YOU KIND OF LATE THIS AFTERNOON FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
ABOUT SUPPORTING THE PROJECT, RIGHT? THEY SAID THAT THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, IT'S NOT MUCH AND THEY SUPPORT.
BILL, I'M GONNA TURN THIS BACK OVER TO YOU AND YOU GUYS DECIDE WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANNA GIVE SARAH AND I TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS WHAT YOU WANT US TO PREPARE.
REMEMBER THE SEEKER NEGATIVE DECK WOULD BE PART ONE, PART TWO AND PART THREE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT AND UPDATE PART TWO AND PART THREE AND GET THEM TO YOU.
AND THEN OF COURSE IF WE GET ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECORD TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MUTE MYSELF 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING TOO MUCH.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING A SECRET RESOLUTION
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PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING? I THINK WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF THE ISSUES AND I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF ISSUES.ANYTHING STILL OUT THERE THAT ANYBODY WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT? NO.
I THINK THAT WAS, UH, EXHAUSTIVE AS LONG AS THEY MAKE THE EDITS DISCUSSED ON THE, ON THE CALL TODAY ON THE PART ONE AND, AND PART TWO, PART THREE.
PART TWO AND PART THREE, NOT PART ONE.
SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE SECRET RESOLUTIONS ON THE JIM CLEARY.
WE'LL AMEND THE PROJECT FOR OUR JUNE 17TH.
CAN I HAVE QUESTION MR. CLEARY? YEAH.
UH, YEAH, LOOK, I'M NOT MS. JIM, I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON YOU ANYTHING BUT MR. MON LAST MEETING, UM, MEETING ASK, ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT LIQUOR LICENSE.
YOU OR ANYBODY IN YOUR CORPORATION WILL NOT APPLY WITH THE SLA FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE, CORRECT? NO.
BOB, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT QUESTION.
MAYBE JEFF CAN ANSWER THIS FOR ME.
IF THE, IF THE OWNER LIQUOR FOR A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE, SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IF IF THE PLAINTIFF HAD A NEW, WOULD THAT NEW OWNER BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT'S YES.
BILL, COULD WE PUT A, COULD WE PUT A SUCCESSOR AGREEMENT IN THERE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE TEETH? OR, I'M SORRY, JEN.
JEN, COULD WE PUT A SUCCESSOR? IT'S PROBABLY PROBABLY MORE OF A QUESTION FOR JENNIFER.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THE STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY REGULATES IT, NOT US, RIGHT? YEAH, JENNIFER.
BUT IT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM US FOR A SUCCESSOR CLAUSE THAT WE NOT RECOMMEND THAT THIS EVER GET A LIQUOR, RIGHT? BECAUSE WILLOW BEEN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE BEFORE YOU, JIM, THEY NEVER HAD A LIQUOR LICENSE.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT WAS, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A LIQUOR LICENSE AT THAT ADDRESS FOR YOUR OWN BEHALF.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK THAT, LIKE, AS BILL SAID, THAT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE NEW YORK STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE, BUT I CAN CONFIRM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
WHAT WE CAN DO, JENNIFER, THIS IS DREW YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK, IS THE FACT THAT TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO GET A LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT IT'S ALLOWED AT THAT LOCATION.
RIGHT NOW IN AN RA DISTRICT, THE USE VARIANCE COULD SAY NO, NO LIQUOR, YOU KNOW, LICENSE AT THAT LOCATION AND THEN NO ONE COULD EVER GET UNDER THAT USE VARIANCE, THE ABILITY TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE.
SO, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU TAKE A LOOK AT.
I BELIEVE THEY NEED APPROVAL FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ALLOWED AT THAT LOCATION.
WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO IT NOW STANDING FOREVER ON ONE PROJECT GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S, I WE COULD, YES, YOU COULD DO IT UNDER THE USE VARIANCE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD MAKE IT A SUCCESSES THING FROM THIS PROJECT.
WELL IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR THE USE VARIANCE IS, IS ISSUED FOR A SPECIFIC USE.
IF THAT USE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, YOU KNOW, A LIQUOR LICENSE, ET CETERA, THEN SOME FUTURE BUYER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A NEW USE VARIANCE OR WHATEVER TO TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
YOU COULD ARGUE IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S OPEN FOR ARGUMENT INTERPRETATION AT ANY TIME.
I DON'T PUT ONE AND I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV, BUT IT'S FACT WITH CONTRACTS, WHAT I DEAL WITH IS WE HAVE SUCCESSOR CLAUSES.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE HAD ONE IN PLACE THAT'S, THAT'S GIVEN OUR MESSAGE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IF I'M GONNA BE A BUYER AND I BUY IT FROM THEM, I CAN SEEK ANOTHER VARIANCE AND DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BILL? I WAS THERE TODAY AT ONE O'CLOCK ON SITE.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TAKING IT DOWN.
IT'S, IT'S NOT DOWN AS OF ONE O'CLOCK TODAY.
WELL, I WAS OVER THERE TODAY AND THERE WAS A CREW THERE AND SAID THEY'RE TAKING IT DOWN.
I, I'LL LOOK, I'LL LOOK OUT MY AIR AND SEE
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ON THE FACEBOOK THAT IT'S, THE DOME IS STILL UP AS WELL.OH, WELL THEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT DOWN.
IT WAS A CREW OVER THERE WHEN I WENT BACK THERE TO TAKE A WALKTHROUGH BEFORE THIS MEETING AND THEY SAID THEY WERE THERE TO TEAR IT DOWN.
JIM, JIM, I I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UH, LAST TIME WE MET, UH, BOBBY ASKED YOU ABOUT THE, UH, GETTING RID OF THE, UH, THE TRASH AND YOU WEREN'T SURE NOW.
UH, SO I'VE CHECKED WITH OTHER CATERERS AND NORMALLY WHAT THEY DO IS THE, UH, LIKE IN OUR POST WE SUPPLIED THE GARBAGE CANS AND THEN WE PUT IT OUT ON OUR GARBAGE DAY.
HAVE YOU FOUND OUT HOW YOUR OPERATION IS GONNA WORK? WELL, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I WENT OUT TO TWO OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE OURS.
STRICTLY CATERING ONLY ONE IN AKRON, UH, AKRON AND THE LOFT AND EAST, THOSE FACILITIES DO NOT HAVE DUMPSTERS.
ONLY DUMPSTER, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.
DON'T HAVE DUMPSTERS FACILITY THAT HAS OUTSIDE TRASH.
THE TOWN'S PROPERTY ON TAYLOR ROAD.
THE OTHER FACILITIES DON'T, DON'T HAVE 'EM.
SO THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BATHROOMS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PAPER TOWELS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE HAVE TO BE, THOSE HAVE TO BE A, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS AN AREA THAT'S, UH, FENCE AND LANDSCAPED THAT WILL HAVE A SMALL, POSSIBLY A SMALL DUMPSTER IN IT.
BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW RIGHT NOW, UH, THE CATERERS TAKE EVERYTHING WITH THEM.
THEIR TRASH, TRASH, THEIR, EVERYTHING THAT THEY PROVIDE.
IF IT COMES, IF THEY BRING IT IN, THEY TAKE IT OUT ABOUT THIS, THIS BUBBLE.
UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU TO BE INFORMED WHEN THEY'RE, WILL THEY LET YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TAKING IT DOWN? I WAS TALKING TO A HALF DOZEN GUYS.
IT'S, THEY WERE THERE TO LOOK AT THE BUBBLE TO, TO, TO TEAR IT, TO MAKE PLANS, TO TEAR IT DOWN.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I MISINTERPRET.
HE, THEY TOLD ME THAT NO WILL THEY WOULD, WILL THEY LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WORRY.
DUNNO THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE BUBBLE.
I MEAN THAT'S, I CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE BUBBLE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOWN.
WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT.
THE CURRENT OWNER AND THEIR ATTORNEY, BRIAN ATIA HAVE DIRECTED THAT TO COME DOWN.
OKAY, SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 20TH MEETING TO LOOK OVER.
I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE MAY 20TH UH, MINUTES.
UM, I, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT FOLKS MADE BE, UH, ABOUT WHY WE WERE NOT REQUIRING, UH, WHY WE WANNA DO THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, UM, OR THE WAIVER PROCESS, RATHER THAN HAVING THEM GO THROUGH, WHICH I THINK WE HAD HAD DONE RECENTLY FOR THE USE CHANGE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA NOTE THOSE SPECIFIC REASONS IN THE MINUTES THEY WEREN'T, WEREN'T REFLECTED THERE.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE A RECORD OF THAT THERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE, THE VIDEOS ARE STAYING UP ON, ON THE TOWN'S FEED, UM, DUTY.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE MORE IN THERE ABOUT A REASON FOR, FOR GIVING THEM THE WAVE OR CAN ADD IT AGAIN HERE.
IT BASICALLY SAID THAT WHO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD ALL AGREED AND THAT WE WEIGHED IN, BUT IT DIDN'T GIVE ALL THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT.
AND I FEEL LIKE EACH ONE OF US HAD PRETTY SOLID RATIONALE FOR OUR DECISION.
SO WE'LL DO WE, WE WON'T APPROVE THOSE AT THIS MEETING AND WE WILL, UM, TRY AND GO THROUGH AND IF YOU REMEMBER YOUR OWN COMMENTS, SEND THEM TO SARAH TO HELP OUT.
UM, THE VIDEO SHOULD STILL BE ON FACEBOOK, BUT CHECK RIGHT NOW WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A FIVE TO TWO VOTE.
UH, AND I, I THOUGHT THE MAJORITY WHO WENT WITH IT FELT THAT THERE WAS NO EXTERIOR CHANGE.
UH, SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD
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CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE USE WAS, BUT THE, UH, THE MAJORITY FELT THAT THERE WERE NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT MEANT ANYTHING AND THAT THEY WERE GONNA TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR, UH, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF A BUFFER THEY WANTED.AND OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S, WE ALL CONCLUDED, WELL, THE NEIGHBOR ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND I THINK WE SHOULD NOTE THAT IN THERE, THAT THAT HAD BEEN, UM, SUBMITTED AND THAT THE, THE COMMUNITY WAS SUPPORTIVE.
THAT THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC, UH, RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS USE AS WELL.
UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE THAT DECISION.
DENNIS, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PUTTING MORE OF THE STUFF IN THE MINUTES.
YEAH, WELL, I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT THE POINT, MY RECOLLECTION WAS.
THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A BIG CHANGE, UH, TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE WHOLE SITE PLAN.
WE, WE ALSO, WE ALSO NOTED THAT WE TREATED 'EM THE SAME WAY AS SKETCHERS.
WE HAD THEM COME IN BEFORE THE BOARD DISCUSS THEIR PROJECT, JUST LIKES SKETCHERS.
AND THEN MADE THE DECISION LIKE WE DID FOR SKETCHERS THAT A SITE PLAN WAIVER WAS WARRANTED.
AND WE WANNA FOLLOW THAT PROCESS, GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD THE OPTION TO TALK TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEN MAKE THE WAIVER SUGGESTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT ROGER'S BEEN TRYING TO DO.
AND, AND THEY GAVE US A LOT OF DETAILS ON WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING TOO.
SO JUST HELP SARAH ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IF YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
AND THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ON THE RECORD WHY WE RECOMMENDED A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY WANNA, SO WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT THEN.
SO LET'S, UH, MOTION TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE MAY 20TH MEETING BY MR. CLARK.
UH, SO WE HAD A MOTION TO ADJOURN BY DOUG SHAW.
ALL'S GONNA BE BY VIDEO OVER THE INTERNET AGAIN.