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OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE WORK SESSION.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION IS LINDSAY BOUNCY AND MARIE DOMAIN ACH REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION OF A COFFEE SHOP AND A COWORKING SPACE AT 4 9 0 0 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
I SEE LINDSAY ARE BOTH ON THERE.
UM, AM I ABLE TO PRESENT HERE? I HAVE A PRESENTATION OR I CAN JUST CHOP WHATEVER WORKS BEST.
UM, AND IF YOU'VE GOT A PRESENTATION.
IS THERE A BUTTON? JUST HIT THE SHARE CONTENT BUTTON NEXT TO THE VIDEO.
SEE THE VIDEO CAMERA BUTTON? OKAY.
IT LEMME KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT.
SO I HOPE YOU ALL ARE READY FOR A RIDE,
ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET TO THE FRONT.
DOES EVERYONE SEE THAT OKAY? YEP.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR MEETING AND MEETING WITH US AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE.
I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD ABOUT US.
KEVIN AND SHARON ARE ALL ALSO ON THIS CALL.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WHILE I'M GOING THROUGH HERE, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, TO ASK, BUT OTHERWISE I WILL GET THROUGH IT.
UM, I'LL GO AT A MILD PACE, SO IF YOU NEED ME TO SLOW DOWN, LEMME KNOW, BUT I WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
SO, UM, SO WE CALL OURSELVES COCOA 49.
SO CONVERGENCE COWORKING MEETS 49 COFFEE, COCOA IS JUST OUR NICKNAME.
IT'S EASIER THAN SAYING ALL OF THAT AT ONCE.
UH, WE PLAN ON BEING HAMBURG'S FIRST COWORKING SPACE WITH A CAFE ON THE LAKE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE WE ARE LOCATED.
IT'S ABOUT TWO DOORS AWAY OF THE PUBLIC HOUSE, SO ONE HECK OF A VIEW.
UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA WANNA CHECK IT OUT.
SO WHO ARE WE? UM, WE, WE WERE CREATED, UH, WHEN SHARON, SO SHARON AND I CONNECTED, UM, A WHILE BACK, UM, JUST THROUGH MUTUAL FRIENDS, BUT I WAS FEATURED IN THE HAMBURG SUN ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN FRANCESCA BOND DID A PIECE ON IF HAMBURG NEEDED A COWORKING SPACE.
UM, SHARON APPROACHED ME, WE DISCUSSED THIS IDEA, AND HERE WE ARE BRINGING IT TO FRUITION.
SO IT'S VERY SURREAL FOR US, BUT WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO, TO BRING IT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, SO OUR TEAM, WHAT EXACTLY IS COWORKING? SO, COWORKING IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS IS SIMILAR TO A GYM OR A COUNTRY CLUB MEMBERSHIP.
YOU SELECT WHAT TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP WORKS BEST FOR YOU TO ACCESS OUR SPACE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE OPEN COWORKING SPACE, DEDICATED DESKS, UH, WHICH ARE SIMILAR.
THEY LOOK BETTER THAN CUBICLES, BUT THEY'RE SIMILAR TO CUBICLES AND A FEW PRIVATE OFFICE SPACES.
SO IT'S REALLY FLEXIBLE WORKSPACE THAT YOU CHOOSE A MEMBERSHIP THAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU, AND THEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SPACE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK SO, YEAH.
SO BASICALLY YOU CAN RENT A SPACE TO GO AND WORK OUT OF, RATHER THAN WORKING OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S RIGHT ON DEMAND WORKING SPACE IN AN ALTERNATE TO HAVING MAYBE A ROTATING SCHEDULE DUE TO COVID-19.
WE HAVE A SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND WORK IN AN OPEN SPACE.
THEY CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS AND HAVE A, A DEDICATED DESK THAT'S JUST FOR THEM TO USE.
THEY CAN RENT A PRIVATE OFFICE JUST LIKE ANYONE WOULD RENT AN OFFICE.
BUT WE ARE ALSO OPEN TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HOST, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT IN A CONFERENCE ROOM, SOME, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S SIMILAR TO AN, IT'S LIKE A MIX BETWEEN AN EVENT SPACE, AN OFFICE SPACE, AND THEN WITH THE MEMBERSHIPS PRETTY SIMILAR TO HOW, HOW A GYM FUNCTIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO AND WORK WITH A PERSONAL TRAINER, GO DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
UM, IT WORKS IN LEVELS LIKE THAT.
HOW MANY SPACES WOULD IT ENTAIL? UM, SO, SO ACTUALLY, UM, I,
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I'VE GOT IT ALL IN HERE, IF THAT'S OKAY.DO YOU GUYS MIND? I'M GONNA ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, I PROMISE.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE OKAY.
I'M ON, THAT'LL TALK ABOUT OUR SPACE AND HOW MANY SPOT SLOTS WE HAVE.
SO IF IT'S OKAY THAT I CONTINUE, I PROMISE I'LL COVER THAT.
UM, SO WE FOUND THE SPACE AT 49, 4900 LAKE SHORE, SO THAT WAS PERFECT.
IT WAS ALSO PRETTY FUN BECAUSE OF THE NAME 49 COFFEE.
IT'S ALSO GOT 49 IN THE ADDRESS THERE, SO WE'RE SUPER HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO COWORKING AND COFFEE COLLECTIVE, WE AIM TO BUILD COMMUNITY.
SO IN ADDITION TO OUR ORIGINAL BUSINESS PLAN, WE ARE JOINED BY, UH, A TENANT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING, SHANNON JUNE SALON.
UM, AND SO OUR CONVERGENCE EMULATES THE EXAMPLE WE WANT OUR GUESTS TO EXPERIENCE.
SO REALLY BRINGING PEOPLE TO ONE SPACE, HELPING EACH OTHER, HAVING THAT COMMUNITY, GETTING COFFEE, WORKING TOGETHER, UH, RELAXING TOGETHER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO OUR PLAN, WE'D LOVE TO BE OPEN BY THE FALL, AT LEAST RENTING OFFICE SPACE, AND THEN 49 COFFEE JOINING US BY THE END OF THE YEAR, DEPENDING ON HOW CONSTRUCTION GOES.
UM, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, OF COURSE, THE REASON WE'RE HERE, WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE OUR CURRENT PARKING LOT.
UH, WE DID WORK WITH FRANK LELAND TO, UM, TO CURATE A NEW PARKING LOT PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU ALL RECEIVED DIGITALLY, AND IF YOU DID, YES.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL YOU ALL THAT FOR REFERENCE.
UM, THE, THE BUSINESSES OPERATE AS FOLLOWS.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, CONVERGENCE COWORKING WILL WORK IN THE FRONT BUILDING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL WANT ME TO READ ALL OF THIS OR IF YOU'LL REVIEW LATER.
UM, BUT WE'RE ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET.
WE WILL HAVE OPEN COWORKING DEDICATED DESKS, RENTABLE MEETING SPACE, THAT'S TWO CONFERENCE ROOMS AND THREE PRIVATE OFFICES.
UM, OUR HOURS OF OPERATION, OFFICIAL HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 10 TO SIX.
BUT OUR ACCESS, DEPENDING ON OUR MEMBERS IS 24 7.
WE HAVE AN ACCESS SYSTEM, SO THEY'RE NOT LOCKED INTO JUST THOSE TIMES.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 10 TO SIX IS LIKE A GENERAL THING FOR NEW MEMBERS OR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TOUR THE SPACE.
SO OUR CURRENT CAPACITY AT THE SPACE IS NO MORE THAN SIX PERMANENT OCCUPANTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UM, I HAVE SOME FACTS IN THERE ABOUT, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY MEMBERS WE HAVE AT THE SPACE, EVEN AT OUR FULL CAPACITY, WHICH WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO, BUT MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST YEAR OR SO.
UM, IT'S USUALLY ONLY OCCUPIED BY ABOUT 10% OF OUR MEMBERS.
SO IF WE HAVE 70 MEMBERS, THERE'S A MAX OF SEVEN PEOPLE IN OUR SPACE, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR PRIVATE SPACE.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH COVID-19, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MORE APT TO A VIRTUAL MEMBERSHIP.
SO WE WILL HAVE MEMBERS THAT MAYBE WON'T EVEN STEP FOOT IN THE SPACE AND THEY UTILIZE US FOR OUR ONLINE COMMUNITY.
UM, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE OFFER IN THE SPACE? I KNOW SOMEONE ASKED THAT EARLIER.
SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT YOUR PERMANENT CAPACITY, SO THAT IS NOT JUST WITH COVID, BUT EVEN AFTER COVID RESTRICTIONS, EASE AND WE MOVE PAST THIS PHASE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANY MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE IN THE SPACE AT ANY TIME.
UM, IT'S NOT, NOT ALLOWING THEM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE MAX AS FAR AS A PERMANENT CAPACITY THAT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY EXPECT THOSE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S THREE PRIVATE OFFICES AND THEN THREE DEDICATED DESKS.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN OPEN, MOVING, FLOWING, UM, SPACE.
SO THEY MAY BE THERE AN HOUR OR TWO, TWO HOURS, BUT THEY'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE THERE AND THEN LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE MOST LIKELY ALL DAY.
UM, BEING A FREELANCER FOR OVER SIX YEARS, I COULD TELL YOU I USUALLY GO INTO A COWORKING SPACE.
I'LL SIT FOR A COUPLE HOURS, GET IT, GET WHAT I NEED DONE, AND THEN I'M OUT OF THERE.
UM, THE GLORY OF A COWORKING SPACE IS DURING THAT TIME THAT I WOULD MEET OTHER PEOPLE AND POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THEM, UTILIZE THE SPACE, UM, AS I NEED TO.
WHAT WOULD BE THE MO THE GREATEST NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS IN THE BUILDING AT ONE TIME? I ACTUALLY, I DO, I HAVE THAT IN, UM, ONE OF THE SLIDES IN A COUPLE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
IT WILL OCCUPY WHAT IS CURRENTLY AN APARTMENT.
UM, SO THAT'S TO, TO THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF THE BUILDING, UM, THERE HOURS OF OPERATION.
OUR, UM, SEVEN SEVEN, AND THEN WITH SOCIAL DISTANCING IN PLACE AND EVERYTHING AS OF NOW, UM, THEIR MAX IS UP TO EIGHT OCCUPANTS WITHIN THE SPACE.
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THE CUSTOMERS ARE IN AND GONE.THEY DO HAVE A ORDER, LIKE A PICKUP THAT'S BEEN BEING USED FREQUENTLY.
AND LINDSAY, PLEASE CHIME IN IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING THAT'S UNTRUE.
BUT THE TO-GO HAS PICKED UP IMMENSELY SINCE COVID-19.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THE CUSTOMERS ARE STILL CONTINUING TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY NOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN, THEY ORDER THEIR COFFEE AND THEY'RE GONE, OR THEY'RE ORDERING IT ON THEIR APP BEFORE THEY GET THERE.
THEY GET THE COFFEE AND THEY GO VERY SIMILAR TO THE CURBSIDE PICKUP.
WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THERE NOW.
WORKS OUT BECAUSE MY COMPUTER IS NOT UPDATED RIGHT.
UM, IS THAT COFFEE SHOP THERE NOW? BOB? WE CAN STILL HEAR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO.
UH, DENNIS, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE COFFEE SHOP? YEAH.
IS THAT THERE NOW? IT'S NOT THERE NOW.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON, WE, WE WANNA GET THAT CONVERTED OVER TO THE SPACE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE, THE CAPACITY, WHERE IS IT NOW? UH, 49 COFFEE EXISTS IN SPRINGVILLE.
SO, UH, WHEN I TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR BACKGROUND, SO 49 COFFEE HAS BEEN OPEN IN SPRINGVILLE FOR, FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
UM, LOOKING AT OPENING THEIR SECOND LOCATION HERE IN HAMBURG BECAUSE OF, UH, OF THIS VENTURE.
WELL THAT, THAT, UM, THE ESTIMATES OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THERE AT ONE TIME ARE BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN SPRINGVILLE.
AND ABOUT, AND ABOUT THE SQUARE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY'VE, UM, BLOCKED OUT THE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS, AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO THIS COFFEE SHOP SO MANY TIMES, I'M USUALLY THE ONE SITTING IN THE COFFEE SHOP WATCHING EVERYBODY COME IN AND OUT.
AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY SITS.
UM, SO FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BEING IN THE SHOP BEFORE WE DECIDED TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN.
SO MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS IN AND OUT.
SO LIKE ALL OF US, WHEN WE GO GET OUR COFFEE IN THE MORNING, WE WANNA GO GET OUR COFFEE AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, DILLY DALLY
ARE WE GOOD THERE? WHERE WILL IT BE LOCATED, LOCATED INSIDE THAT SPACE? YOU SAID AN APARTMENT, WILL IT BE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE KIND OF IN THE FRONT AND THEN TO THE RIGHT THERE IS A SMALLER, THERE'S A SMALLER SIDE THAT WILL BE THE CAFE.
UM, SO THE PEAK BUSINESS HOURS FOR THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO PEAK BUSINESS HOURS FOR 49 COFFEE, UM, ARE ACTUALLY ARE QUITE OPPOSITE ON THE, THE MORNING SIDE.
SO THEIR PEAK HOURS ARE USUALLY SEVEN TO ONE WHEN IN COWORKING, PEOPLE ARE USUALLY WORKING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 OR 11 AND LIKE FIVE AND SIX IF THAT, NOT EVEN.
UM, SO WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, AND OF COURSE WITH OUR PARKING AND HOW WE'VE INVENTED IT, UM, THEY'RE NOT OVERLAPPING IN A LOT OF WAYS AND THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA WORK.
SO, AND THERE AND INTO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY ONE TO TWO STAFF MEMBERS, UM, AT 49, BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO PARK IN THE GARAGE.
THERE'S A GARAGE NEAR THE CAFE THAT DOESN'T IMPOSE ON OR IMPOSE ON ANY OF THE PARKING.
AS WELL AS KEVIN AND LINDSAY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO ADD UBER INTO THEIR EMPLOYEE'S PAY.
SO ANY LOCAL EMPLOYEE, THEY COULD USE UBER OR HAMBURG TAXI, IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR PAY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING WHEN IT COMES TO GOING TO AND FROM WORK.
THEY DEFINITELY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THAT IDEA.
AND I BELIEVE THE SALON, THE SALON IS ON BOARD WITH THAT.
AND FOR MYSELF, BEING THE ONLY EMPLOYEE AT THE COWORKING SPACE, I EASILY HAVE A RIDE TO AND FROM WORK EVERY DAY.
SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, MOVING TO THE SALON BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A TENANT THERE CURRENTLY AND WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO ADD THEM TO OUR, TO OUR COMMUNITY REALLY.
UM, WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THEM HERE.
SO THEY, UH, THEY OPERATE RIGHT BACK OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE THEIR SALON FROM THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEIR OPERATION OR BUSINESS HOURS OF OPERATION ARE LATE.
SO TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, 10 TO EIGHT.
SO THEY'RE OPEN LATER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS, WHICH IS WHEN THEY'RE BUSIER.
UM, TYPICALLY COWORKING ISN'T BUSY FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS, UM, JUST DUE TO THE LIFESTYLE THAT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF CONFLICT THERE.
AND THEN, LET'S SEE, SO EVENINGS AFTER FOUR AND SATURDAYS, AND THEN WITH THIS STRICT SOCIAL DISTANCING THAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND MOVING FORWARD,
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UM, AND TALKS WITH SHANNON, WHO OWNS THE SALON, NO MORE THAN ONE TO TWO EMPLOYEES ARE OCCUPYING THE SPACE AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO ONE GUEST EACH.UM, AND THEY PLAN ON USING THAT IN, INTO THE, INTO THE FUTURE.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY FOR NOW, BUT INTO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE PLAN IS, UM, AS FAR AS THE SALON GOES.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SALON.
HOW MANY, YOU SAY THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE TWO EMPLOYEES.
HOW MANY STATIONS ARE IN THAT SALON? SO NOW I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S THREE STATIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT SHE'S ONLY HAVING ONE TO TWO WORKING BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, ANALYSIS IN THE SLIDES YOU'VE PRESENTED THUS FAR THAT FOCUSES ON REDUCED NUMBERS DUE TO COVID.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA, THAT I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR HOW YOU DID YOUR PARKING ANALYSIS IS THAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THAT IS AT FULL CAPACITY, NOT JUST WITH THE RESTRICTIONS.
SO A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THE, WITH THE COWORKING SPACE, THE NO MORE THAN 10% IS, IS SOLID PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THE, THE, UM, SORRY, WITH THE CAFE THAT SPACING.
LINDSAY, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN.
UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SET THOSE NUMBERS OR WE DO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE.
BUT FOR US IT'S A, A QUALITY OVER QUANTITY THING.
WE'D RATHER KEEP PEOPLE SAFE FROM HERE FORWARD, EVEN IF THERE AREN'T COVID REGULATIONS THAT PEOPLE ESPECIALLY NOW ARE MORE AWARE OF THAT.
SO I HONESTLY, ME PERSONALLY AND HOW I WANNA RUN THIS BUSINESS IS EVEN THOUGH COVID ISN'T HAPPENING, EVEN THOUGH THOSE REGULATIONS MAY BE LIFTED, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M NOT GONNA USE HAND SANITIZER.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I MIGHT NOT WEAR A MASK AND I'M NOT FEELING WELL.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITHOUT COVID REGULATIONS, BUT STILL ABIDING BY THEM.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE IN THE NEAR TERM, BUT I, I'M KIND OF LIKE, IF THIS IS GONNA ESTABLISH AS A NEW PERMANENT BUSINESS, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, AS A BUSINESS, THE SALON IS GONNA WANNA HAVE ALL THREE STATIONS OPERATING AT AT ONCE, AND THAT'S TO BE EMPLOYEES PLUS ONE THAT HAPPENS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE SUPER PROUD ABOUT HOW THE THREE BUSINESSES, WE HAVE THEIR PEAK TIMES NEARER EACH OTHER, SO THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY.
WE WOULDN'T EVER REALLY, FROM WHAT WE'VE ALL SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT, SEE ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES AT PEAK CAPACITY AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE FOR US THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN THAT WAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE AUDIENCES WE SERVE.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPER GRATEFUL FOR.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANTS AND SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 20 OCCUPANTS AT OUR LOCATION AT THIS TIME, AND THAT THE PEAK BUSINESSES FOR EACH OR PEAK TIMES FOR EACH BUSINESS COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
SO I KNOW I SAID THAT TWICE, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN, SO LET'S SEE HERE.
SO IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH OUR 15 PLUS PARKING OPTIONS.
SO THE DIGITAL COPY THAT YOU ALL HAVE, I CAN'T PULL IT UP BECAUSE I'M SHARING MY SCREEN, BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO SPOTS THAT ARE, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN THAT AREN'T IN THAT PLAN.
AND AGAIN, LINDSAY OR SHARON, PLEASE, UH, CHIME IN IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING I'M SAYING YOU WANNA ADD.
AND THEN THERE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL SPOTS IN THE GARAGES THAT DON'T IMPOSE ON THE PARKING LOT.
AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME, NO MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE IN THE SPACE.
WITH OUR MIRRORING PEAK TIMES, WE REALLY WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN OVERFLOW, UM, OF PARKING.
BUT EVEN IF THAT WERE TO EVER HAPPEN, UM, PROACTIVELY, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING TO KNOW OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE'VE GOT PUBLIC HOUSE, WE HAVE AN AIRBNB NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S ANOTHER PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, WITH A CROSSWALK.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, RESIDENTIAL TWO DOORS DOWN THAT WE'VE CONNECTED WITH.
SO HAVING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE POSITIVE, UM, AND HAVING THEM ON OUR SIDE IF EVER NEED BE, WE NEED TO BORROW THOSE SPACES, UM, ON OCCASION THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE, SORRY,
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HARD ABOUT THATI WAS LIKE, SO PEOPLE CAN BIKE TO US, PEOPLE CAN UBER TO US.
I'VE TALKED TO, UM, HAMBURG TAXI.
SO PEOPLE ARE WILLING, THEY'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON A SPECIAL RATE FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ON THE BUS ROUTE.
SO I FEEL, AND ESPECIALLY WITH HOW OUR BUSINESS MODEL WILL RUN, I'M VERY GREEN, VERY ORGANIC.
I PROMOTE EVEN BEFORE ALL OF THIS, UM, I'M ACTUALLY ON THE CITY OF BUFFALO CLIMATE SMART COMMUNITIES TASK FORCE.
SO IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT TO ME.
I'M JUST PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING THOSE MULTIMODAL WAYS OF TRANSPORTATION OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CARPOOLING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR SPACE, WE'RE OF COURSE GONNA BE TALKING TO OUR MEMBERS ABOUT THAT AND HOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT THEY CAN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS OUR SPACE, AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR CITY.
SO JUST THOSE LITTLE THINGS, UM, ADDING UP, WE'VE, WE'VE DEFINITELY THOUGHT, THOUGHT THEM THROUGH.
SO YOU SAID YOU, YOU PARTNERED WITH SOMEBODY THREE, WHICH BUSINESS? ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE HAVE TWO DOORS OVER HIS PUBLIC HOUSE, AND HE'S NOT OPEN UNTIL LATER.
SO THAT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL IF WE EVER NEEDED IT.
THERE'S THE, SO WE, ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE AN EDU KIDS, WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH 'EM, BUT THE, UH, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL, TWO DOORS OVER.
SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH IS WHAT I PRIDE MYSELF ON.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE BUILDING THIS IF I DIDN'T THINK I COULD BE A COMMUNITY BUILDER.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY THE RESIDENTIAL ONE, TWO DOORS TO THE NORTH, OR TWO DOORS TO THE SOUTH.
YEAH, YOU GO THE AIRBNB, I WAS, I WENT BY THERE TODAY AND THEY GOT A, A HUGE SIGN THAT SAYS PARKING FOR THEM ONLY.
I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM OTHERWISE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANNA DO.
IT'S JUST LIKE ANY, ANYONE, ANY ONE OF US, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR HOMES, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE OUR DRIVEWAYS, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S ENOUGH.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT IT WAY THROUGH, BUT WE WANTED IN CASE TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I NEEDED TO GO AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A SPOT THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK WITH THEM AND DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM BEFOREHAND.
SO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS A REALLY BIG SIGN THERE,
I TOOK A TON OF PICTURES ALL AROUND.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES TO COVER EVEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THERE WERE ONLY LIKE, ACTUALLY ABOUT 12, BUT THEN IF YOU GO BY THE GARAGE AND YOU LET SOMEBODY PARK IN AND IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT KOSHER.
BUT THE THING IS, UH, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU CAN GET ENOUGH PARKING SPACES AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED MEMBERS, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE ME THAT MORE THAN 10% ARE GONNA SHOW UP.
UM, HAVING, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID HAVE UP TO A HUNDRED MEMBERS AND WE BUILT OURSELVES TO THAT IN THE YEARS TO COME, UM, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE OPENING, OPENING ANOTHER LOCATION.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING THAT MUCH SUCCESS IN BEING AT THOSE HIGH OF NUMBERS, UH, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
SO IT'S NOT, THE GOAL WOULDN'T BE TO ULTIMATELY BUILD THAT SPACE AND COMPLETELY MAX IT OUT AND GET PEOPLE CRAMPED IN THERE.
IF WE'RE SEEING SUCCESS IN THIS SPACE WITH THIS MODEL HAVING COWORKING AND COFFEE TOGETHER, THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO OPEN ANOTHER SPACE AND HAVE THAT.
SO IT WOULD TAKE THAT VOLUME DOWN.
SEE, I WAS GOING BY THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GAVE US A HUNDRED MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW SURE.
HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE GROWING AND BUILDING INTO OUR FIRST YEAR AND MAYBE EVEN AT OUR MAX? UM, THE COWORKING SPACE IN SPRINGVILLE HAS ABOUT 70 MEMBERS, AND THEY'VE BEEN OPEN ABOUT TWO YEARS.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, AND AGAIN, MY PARTNERS HERE CAN CHIME IN.
UH, IF WE ARE SEEING THAT MUCH SUCCESS, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO EXPAND AND HAVE OTHER, OTHER SPACES AT THIS AT THAT POINT.
BUT AT THAT, SO EVEN HAVING SO MANY MEMBERS AS A NATIONAL STATISTIC, HAVING 10% OF THEM, SO SEVEN MEMBERS IN THE SPACE AT ANY TIME, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE RAN INTO SOMETHING WITH PARKING IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST, I THINK SOME OF THOSE ICE CREAM PLACES.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS OUR ROLE GOES, WE WE'RE NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT IS BEING, UH, OFFERED IS ENOUGH.
THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE BUSINESS OWNER, WHETHER THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING.
OUR CONCERN IS, IS WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND MAKING SURE IT'S SAFE.
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PRIMARILY GONNA BE CONCERNED WITH IS THAT ANYBODY WHO, IF THE PARKING LOT'S COMPLETELY FULL AS CONFIGURED, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SPOTS THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO PARK ILLEGALLY, UM, OR, OR IN A SPACE THAT'S NOT INTENDED FOR USE OF SPACE, AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IN FORWARD AND PULL OUT, FORWARD ON ROUTE FIVE, UM, AND KIND OF NAVIGATE THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT HITTING OTHER CARS, OF COURSE.I DON'T, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN NEAR THAT LOT, THERE IS SO MUCH SPACE IN THERE, AND I'M IT, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S EVEN WASTED SPACE.
IT FEELS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE WAY MORE.
SO I KNOW THAT AS FAR AS MOVING IN AND OUT OF THAT LOT, THAT'S DEFINITELY MOVABLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
YEAH, IT'S, UM, I MEAN, GOING FORWARD I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY WANNA SEE, UH, DRAWINGS THAT HAVE KIND OF WHERE, WHERE YOU EXPECT THE, THE PATTERN OF THE TRAFFIC TO GO.
AND, AND, AND HOW, HOW YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT SO WE CAN KNOW THAT IT'S SAFE.
AND THEN, AND LINDSAY WAS WORKING WITH FRANK, SO IF WE NEED AN UPDATED DRAWING WITH THOSE TWO SPOTS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN AS WELL AS ANY OTHER, UM, LIKE MOVEMENT, UM, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE.
I HAD AN ISSUE MOVING IN AND OUT.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING A MESSAGE FROM, FROM SHARON.
SHE'S UNABLE TO CHIME IN HERE, BUT SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SHE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH SEATING FOR A HUNDRED MEMBERS AND JUST WHO WAS USING THAT AS A STATISTIC.
SO I'M JUST READING THIS MESSAGE, MAKING SURE THAT I'M GETTING EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ACROSS CORRECTLY.
UM, UM, SO CAN YOU, SO HOW DO YOU MANAGE, UM, PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT THE SPACE? SO I'M ACTUALLY, YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT READY TO ANSWER IT.
SO IF I, SO SAY I'M A MEMBER AND I WANT TO COME WORK AND I SAY I'M A MEMBER CLASS THAT HAS RESERVED A PRIVATE DESK OR WHATEVER.
HOW DO I NEED TO PRE-SCHEDULE THAT? ARE YOU LETTING PEOPLE JUST WALK IN OR DO THEY NEED TO RESERVE AND SCHEDULE SPACE? DO THEY SEE SOMEHOW BEFORE THEY GET THERE? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A BUSY FREELANCER AND YOU WANNA GO IN AND TURN OUT AN ARTICLE AND YOU HAVE THESE THREE HOURS TO GO AND YOU JUST GO IN THERE, IS THAT SPACE AVAILABLE FOR YOU OR DO YOU HAVE TO RESERVE IT IN ADVANCE? SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A TEXT APP.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE DISCOVERED RECENTLY BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING WHERE PEOPLE WOULD TEXT.
SO TREK IS USING IT IN NIAGARA FALLS, ACTUALLY.
YOU TEXT TREK AND YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, I'M LOOKING TO COME IN.
UM, WE HOPEFULLY WOULD NEVER HAVE THE, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT OUR MAX CAPACITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE OFFICE, IF YOU HAVE A DEDICATED DESK, THAT MEMBERSHIP IS GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS HAVE A FAST PASS TO THE PARKING.
RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S AN OPEN, SO I HAVE AN OPEN COMMUNITY MEMBERSHIP FOR WORKING.
AND AGAIN, WE DIDN'T EVER, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ISSUE IF, BUT IF WE WERE HA TO HAVE TO FACE THIS HURDLE, THE TEXTING WOULD HELP.
SO THEN WE CAN MONITOR, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN WHEN THEY'RE PLANNING ON COMING IN.
SO SAY IF I'M WORKING AT THE SPACE BEING, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGER, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE THERE.
SO IF I NEED TO FREE UP A SPACE THEN, AND I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE CLOSE TO MY MAX, THEN I CAN, I CAN LEAVE OR I CAN FIND OTHER TRANSPORTATION TO THE SPACE THAT DAY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MARIE.
COULD YOU GET SOMETHING FROM THE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THAT YOU THINK MIGHT LET YOU USE SOME OF THEIR PARKING? SOMETHING IN WRITING AS FAR AS LIKE A LETTER, WELL, LIKE FROM THE PUBLIC HOUSE AND FROM BILL BARRETT AND, AND ALSO VACANT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO YOU WHERE YOU HAVE PART TWO PARKING SPACES ON THEIR PROPERTY.
CAN YOU GET SOMETHING FROM THEM THAT, THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH YOU CONTINUING TO USE THAT? SURE.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD VERBAL DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, SO I, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY WORK ON GETTING SOMETHING CONCRETE THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, DOWN THE STREET AT HOAX, I KNOW WE GOT SOMETHING FROM THEM, UM, ABOUT PARKING ACROSS THE STREET ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DID A, ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN HOAX DID ITS EXPANSION AND THEY LOST SOME PARKING SPACES.
SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE USED IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND DREW, I THINK YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
UH, SARAH HIT, HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
UM, BASICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PARKING SITUATION LIKE THIS, YOU'RE, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES HAVE JURISDICTION, OH, SIMILAR TO LIKE THE ZBA USED TO HAVE JURISDICTION WHERE
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THE APPLICANT HAS TO PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU'RE USING ADJOINING WARNING SPACES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME LETTER OF LETTER FROM THEM SAYING THAT THOSE SPACES ARE AVAILABLE.
THE OTHER THING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS, I LIKE BILL'S COMMENT, WHOEVER MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT SHOWING US HOW CARS ARE MOVING WITHIN THE SITES, I HAVE A FEELING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LABEL SOME OF THE AREAS A FIRE LANE, ABSOLUTELY NO PARKING.
OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO IS SOMEBODY PULLS IN THE PARKING LOT'S FULL AND THEY PARK THEIR CAR IN AN AREA THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BECAUSE IT PREVENTS ACCESS TO THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER IN THE CASE OF A FIRE.
I LOVE YOUR IDEA OF THE CITY OF BUFFALO HAS A-T-D-M-T-D-M RULE, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS IF YOU CAN PROVIDE PROOF THAT YOU ARE ENCOURAGING THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BIKE RACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR WHATEVER, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR LAW, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE OTHER MEANS OF GETTING TRANSPORTATION TO THE SITE.
I MEAN, IN BUFFALO, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY ACTUALLY GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
WHAT EXACTLY COULD I GET TO YOU TO DO THAT OTHER THAN SAYING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT I PROMOTE THAT WELL IN WRITING, WHAT YOU'VE SAID BEFORE IS BASICALLY THAT YOU'RE USING THESE APPS, YOU'RE USING THE FACT THAT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE BIKE RACKS OUT FRONT WHERE SOMEONE COULD PUT THEIR BIKE THERE IF THEY BIKE THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, JUST EXPLAIN HOW, HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT IT BE REAL HELPFUL TO THE PLANNING BOARD MAKING THE DECISION.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST DECISION ON THIS PROPERTY IS IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.
YOU CAN'T PARK OUT ON ROUTE FIVE OBVIOUSLY.
SO PEOPLE PULLING INTO THE PARKING LOT HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK OR, OR AN ALTERNATE PLACE TO PARK.
OR YOU'RE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM EVERYBODY DRIVING THERE AND PARKING HAPHAZARDLY ON THE SITE.
A A A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.
SO, SURE, I THINK YOU'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO HELP THEM MAKE THAT DECISION.
OUR JOB IS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY'RE GONNA TURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SAY, WHY DID YOU APPROVE THIS PLANNING BOARD? THIS MAKES NO SENSE, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE USERS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR IDEA ABOUT MEMBERSHIP VERSUS WHO'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE IN THE BUILDING.
WE TYPICALLY, UM, CALCULATE PARKING BASED UPON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, OFFICE SPACE, ET CETERA, OR TYPICAL STANDARDS FOR OFFICE SPACE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 30 PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
ANOTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN PREVENT PEOPLE, I, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IN ANOTHER TOWN ON A WATERFRONT.
LET'S HOPE NONE OF YOUR MEMBERS THINK THAT THIS IS A PLACE I CAN TAKE MY FAMILY AND SIT AND LOOK AT THE LAKE OUT THERE.
HOPEFULLY IN THE, IN THE, THE MEMBERSHIP THAT PEOPLE AREN'T USING THIS TO ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF THE LAKEFRONT.
THAT'S THE GOOD AND BAD OF THE LAKEFRONT IS PEOPLE WILL WANNA LINGER BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTY OF THE LAKEFRONT.
THAT, I MEAN, I CAN ABSOLUTELY GET THAT IN WRITING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROMOTING MODAL AND BEING THE TASK FORCE FOR CLIMATE SMART.
AND THAT'S A HUGE PASSION OF MINE.
UM, THOSE LETTERS, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, I CAN TALK TO FRANK AND BILL AND, AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE ED KIDS, THEIR PARKING LOT IS HUGE ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY WOULD BE CLOSED BY, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THAT WE WOULD NEED, UM, ANY OF THAT.
WE'VE WORKED WITH ED KIDS, WE KNOW, I MEAN, IT'D BE NICE NICE IF YOU COULD GET SOMETHING FROM THEM.
AND A GOOD PART OF IT IS THERE'S A CROSSING THERE, SO WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CROSS THE PLACES THAT AREN'T CROSS HAVE CROSSINGS.
IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD IN PARK.
THERE'S ONE OTHER THING, SARAH NOT RELATED TO THIS.
GONNA HAVE TO GET ROGER TO MAKE AN INTERPRETATION.
THE COAST SPACE AND THE, AND THE UM, UH, UH, SALON ARE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED USES IN THE NC THIS IS AN NC ZONING DISTRICT, CORRECT? IT'S, THIS IS NOT A RESTAURANT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE 'CAUSE RESTAURANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE NC DISTRICT.
UM, SO IT'S SOME INTERPRETATION OF THE COFFEE SHOP IS ALLOWED IN AN NC ZONE.
I'M SORRY, SARAH, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED USE AND WE'RE NOT CALLING THIS A RESTAURANT BECAUSE RESTAURANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE NC DISTRICT.
IT IS A COFFEE HOUSE, A MORE MODERN TERM OF SOMETHING.
MARIE, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ROGER GIBSON? I HAVE NOT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO TALK TO HIM TOO, BECAUSE HE'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOTS YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
UM, MAYBE LINDSAY HAS, LINDSAY, IF YOU CAN CHIME IN ON THAT, BUT OTHERWISE I'LL PUT IT ON MY NOTES HERE.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE IN THE DRAWING THERE ARE, UM, TWO, I, I DON'T HAVE THE DRAWING IN FRONT OF ME.
I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO HANDICAP SPOTS.
IS THAT WHAT ROGER DETERMINED? HE MAKES A DECISION ON HOW MANY HANDICAPS PARKING SPOTS NEED.
I WAS JUST, I ONLY SEE ONE IN THE THING THAT WAS EMAILED TO US, BUT THE DRAWING INDICATES JUST ONE CHECK WITH ROGER DEMAR
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TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, I DON'T WANT HIM COMING BACK AND SAYING YOU NEED THREE HANDICAP PARKINSON'S.I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS A ROGER'S CONTACT INFORMATION.
AND YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE SIGNAGE OUT THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA USE THE EXISTING SIGN.
WE WILL BE CHANGING THE SIGNAGE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ROGER CONTROLS SIGNAGE AND SIGNAGE PERMITS.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH HIM ON THE SIGN.
THE LOCATION'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD CHIME IN IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN.
THE SIGN'S GONNA STAY IN THE SAME PLACE.
BRING IT UP TO MODERN, IF YOU'RE GONNA TOUCH THE SIGN, YOU HAVE TO BRING IT TO EXISTING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO JUST CHECK WITH HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGN IS NOT A NON-CONFORMING SIGN OF SOME SORT OF, OKAY.
I THINK THOSE ARE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES? YOU'RE GONNA PREPARE TO COME BACK NEXT MEETING AND TRY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
UPDATE YOUR SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CAN, CAN, UH, AND AGAIN, PARKING'S GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE HOW THAT PARKING, HOW MANY SPACES YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SOURCE THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT YOU NEED.
AND THEN SECONDLY, THAT THE PARKING LOT IS BILL SAYS GONNA WORK.
I CAN'T HAVE CARS BACKING OUT INTO THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S NOT SEEMING TO BE A PROBLEM.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT THE DRAWING MAKES IT, YOU EVER STAND IN THAT PARKING LOT? IT'S HUGE
YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, THERE'S SPACE HERE.
THE WEIRD PART ABOUT THAT DRAWING IS YOU HAVE THAT LANDSCAPED AREA.
THAT LANDSCAPED AREA IS ACTUALLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD THAT THE ACTUAL PROPERTY STARTS AT THE END OF THAT LANDSCAPE AREA.
IT'S VERY BIZARRE THAT YOUR PARKING IS ALMOST A BUDDING THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THAT LANDSCAPED AREA THAT SITS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD.
I'M ASSUME THE DOT DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM THAT THAT LANDSCAPE AREA IS SITTING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD.
UM, UM, AND THEN CAM CAMIE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE, I DON'T THINK DO T'S GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF YOU WERE TOUCHING IT, THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, CAN YOU COME BACK WITH WHATEVER YOUR WRITTEN PLAN OR YOUR APPROACHES ON ALLOWING MEMBERS AND PATRONS OF THE VARIOUS BUSINESSES TO USE THAT OUTDOOR SPACE? 'CAUSE THERE IS A VERY LARGE OUTDOOR LAWN AND YOU KNOW, DREW MADE A VALID QUESTION THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE PEOPLE GONNA BE COMING AND NOT ACCESSING THE INTERIOR SPACE, BUT WANTING TO ACCESS THE EXTERIOR SPACE AND, AND HOW THAT INTERPLAY WOULD BE.
UM, THERE, UM, I'M JUST TAKING SOME NOTES.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS GET THAT AND UPDATED, LIKE THE PLAN, THE PARKING LOT PLAN.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, SOME TYPE OF DRAWING OF THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE INSIDE.
OF BOTH SIDES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM YOUR, UH, NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS.
I'M ALSO BEING ON THE LAKEFRONT.
UH, THERE'S THE NAUTICAL THEME ISSUE THAT THE PROPERTIES HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF NAUTICAL THEME.
WELL, IF WE DO THAT, DREW DE WE, IF THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING NEW, IF THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THE BUILDING, WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING BIG CHANGES, THEY'RE MAKING BIG CHANGES IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE NOT, THE BUILDING'S ACTUALLY NOT A, NOT A BANDWIDTH FROM BUILDING, FROM A STANDPOINT OF FITTING INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE WATERFRONT AREA.
SO CHANGES FOR THE COFFEE SHOP ARE JUST GONNA BE AN INSIDE OF IT.
BUT IRONICALLY ENOUGH, OUR SO BRANDING IS THE COLORS OF A SUNSET.
SO CORAL, PEACH, NAVY, BLUE, GRAY.
SO IT'S REALLY, IT DOES CONICAL FEEL.
WE KIND OF ARE GOING FOR THAT, NOT NECESSARILY BEACH HOUSE, BUT MORE OF LIKE A LAKESIDE COTTAGE.
SO IF THAT WERE, THAT WE ARE FITTING IN, YEAH.
I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED, BILL, IF THIS WAS A BRAND NEW, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR WHATEVER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP THEIR STANDARD STOREFRONT OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, I SAID THE COLORS AND WHATEVER AND THE, AND THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING PRETTY MUCH FITS INTO THE WATERFRONT.
IT'S, AND IT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREA.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
SO A LOT OF IT, IF WE DON'T BRING IT UP THOUGH RIGHT.
THE OTHER PEOPLE NEARBY WHERE WE HAVE BROUGHT IT UP WOULD MM-HMM.
PROBABLY COME BACK AND SAY SOMETHING TO US.
WE DID ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE, UH,
I THINK THEY HAVE THE, THE, THEY PUT THE, UM, UH, ONE THING UP FRONT OUT, OUT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE, ANYWAY, I I THINK THE SIGN LOOKS KIND OF NAUTICAL THERE.
WHY YOU DOING THE INTERIOR LA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO ROGER MARIE? MM-HMM
MAKE SURE YOU SHARE WITH THEM THE INTERIOR LAYOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
'CAUSE THERE COULD BE CODE ISSUES AND WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S MET WITH ROGER ABOUT FIRE SAFETY ACCESS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING AND THEN ROGER SAY, GEEZ, THIS DOESN'T WORK.
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THE RIGHT.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
SO NOT ALLOWING TO USE THE SPACE FOR ANYTHING BUT THE OFFICE TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, USING IT FOR THE VIEW, UM, PARKING LOT FLOW, AN UPDATED PARKING LOT.
PLAN A LAYOUT OF THE BUSINESSES INSIDE.
SPEAK WITH ROGER ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND THEN GET UH, NEIGHBOR LETTERS.
DID I MISS ANYTHING? NO, THAT'S GOOD.
UM, JUST TO FINISH THIS OUT IF I CAN, UM, OF COURSE WE FEEL LIKE WE BRING A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, CREATING A MICRO COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, AND THEN BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST SOME PRESS, LIKE OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THIS TO OUR TOWN AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING US A TASK LIST BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER JUST TO GO AND, UH, GET, GET THOSE THINGS DONE.
IT JUST, IT, IT, IT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT CAUSED THE LIGHT TO THE TOWN WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THEIR ZONING STORM.
BECAUSE OUR ZONING CODE IS A 19 70, 19 80 ZONING CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS THINGS LIKE MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THIS AND THESE TYPE OF USES.
SO WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOB TO TRY TO FIT IT IN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, A SUBURBAN 19 70, 19 80 ZONING CODE.
I MEAN, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CALL, YOU KNOW, YOU, SOMEONE WAS ASKING WHAT'S COWORKING? IT'S A NEW THING, SO THERE'S NO RULES, LAWS, REGULATIONS, NOT NO, BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE TO NO RULES, LAWS, REGULATIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S A NEW CONCEPT.
THE
SO ANYTHING, MARIA, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? JULY 15TH? THAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, I AM AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
SO ANYTHING WE MAYBE WE'LL DECIDE.
WORK AS A TEAM, UH, TO, TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
AND WE'RE SUPER HAPPY BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE EXCITED FOR IT.
SO, UM, I'LL SEND THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION OVER SO YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW AND LOOK AT ANYTHING EXTRA.
UM, AND THEN JUST LIKE WHO WE ARE, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT TOO MUCH NOW, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A WHILE.
SHARON'S BEEN INVESTING FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
I'M SUPER PASSIONATE ABOUT COMMUNITY BUILDING IN OUR, IN OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
THEY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GRADUATED FROM SPRINGVILLE ACTUALLY.
SO BEING ABLE TO BRING THIS TO HAMBURG IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DREAM.
SO JULY 15TH AT SEVEN, YOU GUYS.
OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, WE'LL CALL THIS THE LINDSAY BOUNCY.
SO, WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND DREW MENTIONED THE ZONING CODE, THAT MIXED USE ZONING CODE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON BEFORE THE COVID THINGS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A MEETING OF THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE SINCE OUR LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
I TOOK OUT THE ONE SECTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT THAT WE KINDA HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS LEGAL OR EVEN NECESSARY GIVEN THAT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT ADDRESSED ENFORCEMENT IN OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE.
AND I, I DID SUBMIT THAT TO THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD SOMETIME SOON.
UM, SO THAT'S AN UPDATE ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE WE LOOKED AT THAT 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN ALL WORRIED ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CAROL LEASE REQUESTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF THE
BE LOCATED AT 4 3 4 7 BETO DRIVE.
HEY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'M HERE.
I, I DON'T SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, I SEE IT, I SEE A WALL, BUT YEAH, WE'RE SEEING YOUR WALL IN YOUR COMPUTER CORD.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A REAR FACING CAMERA, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT'S ON.
NO, ACTUALLY MY CAMERA FACES FRONT SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S, MY GUESS IS IT FELL DOWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY GUESS IF THAT IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE.
SEE I HAVE A LAPTOP AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE LAPTOP.
I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER LOOKED BETTER.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROB PIKA PALMER AND CLARK'S OFFICE.
WE'RE LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKESHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG AND WE REPRESENT THE PROJECT
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SPONSOR CAROL LEASE.UH, WE'RE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL OF A TWO LOTS SUBDIVISION.
MRS. LEE OWNS A PARCEL PROPERTY ON BETO DRIVE AND I DON'T SEE THE SURVEY THERE, BUT I THINK ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE IT.
THERE IS A PARCEL THAT SHE OWNS THAT'S 175 FEET WIDE BY 152 FEET DEEP.
AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS RETAIN THE PROPERTY, THE HOUSE AT 43 47 BETO DRIVE AND CREATE A NEW LOT THAT UM, THEY CAN SELL, UH, ON THAT IN WHICH WE REFER TO AS PARCEL TWO ON THE MAP.
SHE SAID THAT THE SHED THAT'S LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS BEING TAKEN DOWN.
UH, AND THE GARAGE IS ALSO GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
THEY'RE HOPING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AS THEY CAN AND THEN ARE PROPOSING TO SELL PARCEL NUMBER TWO TO SOMEBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN BUILDING A HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING FIELDS BECAUSE WE NEED A VARIANT FOR THE LOT SIZE PARCEL TWO, UM, IS NOT, UH, THE REQUIRED LOT WIDTH OF 90 FEET IN THE FRONT.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT PARCEL.
AND IT ALSO DOESN'T MEET THE AREA REQUIREMENT OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET FOR, UM, FOR THAT ZONING R ONE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
WE, WE ALSO HAVE FILED AN APPLICATION WITH THE ZONING BOARD, UH, AND TO TAKE UP, I JUST OUTLINED WITH RESPECT TO THE AREA AND LOT WITH PARCEL TWO, UM, I GUESS FOR DREW OR JENNIFER, THOSE VARIANCES THAT HE TALKED ABOUT, IS THAT THE EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY OF THE ZONING BOARD OR IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THAT THE LOT IS SMALLER THAN REQUIRED UNDER THAT ZONING? WELL THAT'S, I'LL ANSWER, I'LL ANSWER FIRST.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ACT ON IT UNLESS THE ZBA GIVES THE VARIANCES.
YOU CAN GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY OR THE OTHER, BUT SARAH WILL TELL YOU THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLANNING BOARD WILL LISTEN TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
UM, BUT WE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ACT ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TILL THEY GET A A VARIANCE AND IF THEY DON'T GET THE VARIANCE, THE PROJECT DOESN'T GO FORWARD.
IF THEY GET THE VARIANCE THEN WE REALLY HAVE NO SAY IN AND YOU KNOW, TOO SMALL OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE THEIR, THE PROCESS IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AS A REGULAR ITEM.
WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO THE ZBA, RIGHT? SARAH, SARAH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACT ON THAT VARIANCE THEN COME BACK TO US FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION PRIOR TO SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT'S A LITTLE LONGER PROCESS THAN NORMAL BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCES.
THEY WON'T GO TO THE ZONING BOARD UNTIL AUGUST THE FOURTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS AGAIN UNTIL AFTER THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH REGARD TO UM, THIS KIND OF SUBDIVISION PLAN AND THE, AND THE PLAT APPROVAL, WHAT ARE THE, I GUESS THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING, IF WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT IT DOESN'T MATCH THE REQUIRED LOT SIZES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A ZONING VARIANCE? WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO BASE OUR DECISION ON IF WE'RE KIND OF LOSING THAT? WELL THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING IT IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN KIND OF THE HABIT, UM, TO AT LEAST INTRODUCE YOU TO THE SUBDIVISIONS.
REALLY ALL YOU'RE DOING IS THAT YOU'RE BEING AWARE RIGHT, THAT THERE'S A, A SUBDIVISION AND THAT THEY'LL BE BACK IF THEY GET THE VARIANCES.
SOME TOWNS YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE ZONING BOARD BEFORE YOU COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT HAMBURG DOES IT THIS TIME.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ISSUES IN OUR ZONING LAW THAT YOU DEAL WITH.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF THE ZONING BOARD GIVES A VARIANCE IS WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE RIGHT SIZE OR WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE EXCLUSIVE POWER OVER THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN THE ZONING LAW ABOUT A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ISSUES.
PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TEND TO ON SUBDIVISIONS LOOK AT UH, TREES AND THE PRESERVATION OF TREES AND, AND WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT.
TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ON THE CODE.
THERE'S LOT, NOT A LOT OF CRITERIA TO MINOR SUBDIVISIONS.
WITH MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES TO DEAL WITH WITH THE LAYOUT OF ROADS AND LOTS, BUT IT'S A STANDARD TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
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NOT A LOT OF ISSUES HERE.IF THEY GET THE VARIANCE 9 99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED, WE'LL PROBABLY BE APPROVING IT.
WE COULD HAVE A CONDITION OR TWO ON THAT APPROVAL, BUT WE'LL BE APPROVING IT.
IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR VARIANCES PROJECT GOES AWAY, IT'S DONE HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN UTILITIES.
SEPARATE UTILITIES, RIGHT, OF COURSE.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF TOWNS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, TWO LOT SUBDIVISIONS DON'T COME COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
IN THIS CASE WE WANT CONTROL OVER THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ISSUES OF CONCERN LIKE PRESERVATION OF TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHATEVER.
BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE CODE, I MEAN GO THROUGH IT.
I SHOULD HAVE A CHECKLIST AND JUST SAY THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING IN A MINOR SUBDIVISION AND BASICALLY YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T PROBABLY CONSIDER ANYTHING UNTIL THEY COME BACK TO YOU.
THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO FOR THE VARIANCES.
IF THEY DON'T GET THEM, THEN THEY WON'T BE BACK.
I MEAN IS THE, IS THERE, UM, I'M NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD SURE.
OF THE SETBACKS THERE ENOUGH SPACE MEETING THE, EVEN IF THEY, SO ASSUME THEY GET THE VARIANCE FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS.
CAN THEY MEET THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE NEW LOT AND STILL BE ABLE TO BUILD? OR IS THAT JUST CREATING A CONTINUOUS LOOP OF ADDITIONAL VARIANCE REQUESTS? OH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY CAN, YEAH.
IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND ISSUING THAT VARIANCE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFINITELY PROVE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BUILDABLE AREA AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE OTHER VARIANCES THEY'RE GONNA NEED.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND TYPICALLY IF THEY GO TO THE ZBA, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM THAT YOU CAN STILL MEET THOSE CRITERIA.
WELL ACTUALLY OUR ZONING BOARD DOESN'T MAKE YOU DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE, UNLESS IT'S SOMEBODY WHO ALREADY KNOWS THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 80 FEET OR 85 FEET OR WHATEVER IS ENOUGH.
WELL, YEAH, IF, IF THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AND, AND COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU AN 85 FOOT LOT, YOU CAN PROBABLY SET A HOUSE ON IT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEMS MEETING THE, THE FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
BUT, AND IF THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS A LARGER HOUSE THAT CAN'T MEET THE SETBACKS, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO RIGHT BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD AGAIN AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET THOSE VARIANCES.
AND, AND THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS GUYS IS THAT THEY'RE, FOR THE DB, THEY'RE GONNA NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS, THE NE WHO, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THE BIGGEST SAY IN THIS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA RUIN THE CAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME AND, AND HOPEFULLY EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COMES TO US FIRST, WE BASICALLY MAKE THE DECISION THAT IT DOESN'T MEET ZONING AND THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
WE CAN'T ACT ON IT TILL, UNLESS THEY GET VARIANCES FOR THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? OKAY, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE CAROL.
DON'T WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER THEY GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH IS NOT TILL, ARE THEY GOING THIS MONTH OR IN AUGUST? GOING AUGUST 4TH.
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID JULY.
AUGUST 19TH WAS THE MOTION OKAY.
YES, THAT SOUNDS MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
OKAY, WELL, UM, IT IS WELL AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE JULY 1ST MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE, LEMME TRY AND GET THIS TO WORK HERE.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC.
IT STANDS ONE NATION FOR GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, SO THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA IS MOCKING FAMILY TRUST AND YEAH.
UM, I THINK OUR NEXT STEP ON THIS ONE WOULD BE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IS THERE ANY UPDATES SINCE OUR LA LAST TIME WE SAW THIS? NO, BUT YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WHAT WAS THAT? YOU NEED TO DO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S A QUIRK IN THE SUBDIVISION LAW.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE A SECRET DECISION PRIOR TO HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
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YOU WANNA HOLD TWO, YOU HOLD ONE AND THEN MAKE A SECRET DECISION AND HOLD ANOTHER ONE.BUT IT'S A STUPID QUIRK IN THE NEW YORK STATE LAW.
WE TRY TO GET 'EM TO CHANGE IT FOR YEARS.
SO IF YOU COULD, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, YOU WOULD DO THAT TONIGHT AND THEN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 15TH.
AND THE ONLY UNIQUE THING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION, NOTHING SHOWS UP ON THE EAF MAPPER.
THERE ARE NO, NO ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.
UM, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA, BUT YOU HAVE TO SEGMENT, WE'RE SEGMENTING THIS REVIEW.
WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE.
IT'S TOO, TOO SPECULATIVE AT THIS POINT.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
IF THEY GO TO DEVELOP ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A SECRET DECISION ON IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY YOU ARE SEGMENTING IT.
WE'RE SEGMENTING 'CAUSE IT'S TOO SPECULATIVE.
WE DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE BUILDING COMMERCIALLY ON THESE PROPERTIES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF THE MOTION OF THE NEG DECK IS THAT WE'RE MAKING THESE, MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE SEGMENTING ANY FUTURE DEVELOP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THESE PROPERTIES.
DO WE HAVE A A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR THAT OR NO? SARAH WAS GONNA PUT ONE TOGETHER.
DREW YOU WERE GOING TO I DID THE RESOLUTION FOR THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA.
NO, I, YEAH, DREW YOUR EMAILS RESOLUTION FOR THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA.
BUT ANYWAY, THE RESOLUTION WOULD GO, UH, WHEREAS WE'VE RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION AND WHEREAS WE HAVE REVIEWED, UH, THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE, OF THIS ACTION, UH, AND FOUND THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, WE THEREFORE, UH, ISSUE A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND THEN THE SECOND THEREFORE IS THEREFORE IS THAT WE ARE SO ALSO SEGMENTING THE REVIEW OF THIS, THAT IT'S TOO SPECULATIVE.
THERE'S NO PROPOSALS FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, IF IT OCCURS, WOULD'VE TO COME BACK TO US AND WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SECRET DECISION.
AND THEN THE LAST THEREFORE BE RESOLVED IS WE'RE OFFERING BILL TO SIGN THE, THE EAF.
IT'S KIND OF, I JUST, I GOT ALL THAT ON TAPE, SO, OKAY.
LET'S, IT'S OUR STANDARD RESOLUTION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? ALL WE'RE DOING IS DIVIDING THE PROPERTY SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THIS.
THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED PRESENTLY ON THIS SITE.
WELL, I GUESS I'M GONNA GIVE THIS A SHOT HERE.
I CAN JUST TYPE WHAT DREW SAID.
DREW, UH, BILL, IF YOU WANT, I, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA SAY IT RIGHT.
SO WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FROM THE TON FAMILY TRUST REQUESTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD, WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SECRET.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S ADVISORY BOARDS, AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, AMBER'S PLANNING BOARD, UM, UH, ACTUALLY THAT PART DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THERE.
UM, I'LL TAKE OUT THAT LAST, WHERE NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SEEKER ACT, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERA CONSIDERATIONS AND THEREFORE, ISSUES A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF THE SEEKER REGULATIONS.
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVE THAT ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS ON THIS SUBDIVISION WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE FUTURE.
ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, ANY, ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE FUTURE AND BE IT FURTHER, ALSO FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM EAF, WHICH
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WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.NOW THE NEXT ISSUE WOULD BE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING SO YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 15TH.
UM, THAT'S UNLESS WHAT, WHATEVER EVER YOU THINK ABOUT JULY 15TH, THAT OKAY.
FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? YES, IT'S GOOD FOR ME.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MOCKED FAMILY TRUST FOR JULY 15TH.
THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER BUSINESS WE NEED TO GO OVER? UM, WE HAVE MINUTES FROM JUNE 17TH TO APPROVE.
SARAH, MY NAME IS SPELLED WRONG NEAR THE VERY LAST, THE SECOND LAST MOTION FROM THE MEETING.
IF YOU DON'T MIND CORRECTING THAT.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 17TH MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING ME YOUR COMMENTS ON THE SOLAR LAW.
IF ANY OF THE OTHER PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE SOLAR LAW, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS MONDAY NIGHT.
WE'VE GOTTEN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS.
WE'VE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE.
WE'VE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM BILL, WE'VE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY NOW.
IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT LAW BECAUSE YOU'LL BE PROCESSING MOST OF THE, THE SOLAR PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH THE TOWN, OTHER THAN THE, THE TIER ONE LIKE PUTTING SOLAR ON THE ROOFTOPS.
THAT'LL BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE, SO, OKAY.
UM, AND, AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING, WE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM OUR AIR QUALITY EXPERTS, UM, AND I THINK THE TOWN BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT TO BE FUNDED.
SO IF WE COULD ASK IF WE COULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE TOWN BOARD ERA.
YOU, YOU MAY BE LATE, BUT THEY CAN JUST BRING IT UP AS A WORK SESSION ITEM.
USUALLY THE RE THEY GOTTA HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS IN ON WEDNESDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF JENNIFER, IF WE NEED TO PUT A RESOLUTION IN TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
NO, WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
UM, SO IT'S TOO LATE FOR THEM TO CONSIDER THAT ON THE, THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, YEAH, THEY TRY TO HAVE, THEY WANT STUFF IN BY WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY'S A HOLIDAY.
TODAY'S WEDNESDAY, WELL, IT'S WEDNESDAY AT, UH,
USUALLY DURING BUSINESS HOURS ON WEDNESDAY.
I SAY WE'VE GOT IT LIKE ALMOST FIVE HOURS LEFT IN WEDNESDAY.
IT'S BUSINESS HOURS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL HURT ANYBODY.
I MEAN, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS WE'RE SENDING IT TO THEM AND, AND ONCE THEIR SERVICES ARE NEEDED, AS LONG AS THEY, THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
ANY, ANY SUBMITTAL OF ANY DOCUMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO, SO LET'S GET THAT TO, TO THE TOWN BOARD AS SOON AS WE CAN AND THEY CAN HAVE IT ON WHICHEVER MEETING.
JENNIFER, ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT, JENNIFER? SURE, I CAN DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT IT TO THE TOWN BOARD OR, OR WE'LL HAVE SARAH DO IT.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO SARAH ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU GUYS DO IT GOOD ON YOUR TRAINING? EVERYBODY HAS ALL TRAINING.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF ONES COMING UP.
IF ANYBODY NEEDS ANY, LET ME KNOW.
A LOT OF THEM ARE WEBINARS NOW.
SO DREW, CAN YOU FORWARD THOSE TO ME? I HAVE BEEN GETTING THE EMAILS AND I'D LIKE TO DO SOME OF THEM.
I'LL JUST, THE ONE I KNOW THAT ARE COMING UP.
UM, DREW, DO YOU, UM, I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THERE WAS A SOLAR PROJECT PROPOSED IN THE TOWN.
IS THAT NOT COMING TO US UNTIL AFTER THE SOLAR PROJECT? BATTERY? WELL,
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YEAH.BATTERY STOR, I THINK IT'S BATTERY STORAGE AND SO, AND A SOLAR PROJECT.
SO THAT'S NOTHING'S BEEN PROPOSED YET, CAITLYN.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING SUBMITTED TO SOMEONE.
WELL, THEY SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE TOWN NOTIFYING THEM THAT THEY HAD ONE COMING.
SO, BUT THEN THEY WERE INFORMED IN THE LETTER THAT, THAT THE TOWN DOES NOT PRESENTLY ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE TOWN.
SO I ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA APPLY ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING ON, ON, ON THE RECORD.
AND DID EVERYBODY GET TO SEE MY COMMENT ON THE SOLAR LAW? YEAH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM? YES.
I GUESS MY BASIC POINT WAS IF YOU'RE GONNA CUT DOWN A BUNCH OF TREES, KIND OF NEGATES THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF SOLAR.
BUT BY THE WAY, BILL, I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM BETH FARRELL, SHE MUST BE LISTENING IN.
SHE SAID THAT YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU WANT, SUBMIT A RESOLUTION TOMORROW FOR, FOR A WORK SESSION, DISCUSS ITEM IF YOU WANT, JUST TO GET IT BEFORE THE WORK SESSION SO THEY CAN DISCUSS IT.
SO YOU CAN SUBMIT SOMETHING TOMORROW.
IF YOU WANT JENNIFER OR SARAH TO THEM TO TALK AT THE WORK SESSION, LET THE SUPERVISOR KNOW HE CONTROLS THE AGENDA.
UH, FARRELL ALSO, WE'VE GOT 16 VIEWERS TODAY.
SO SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT PHIL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IMPORTANT TO SAY.
MOTION FOR MR. CHAPMAN TO ADJOURN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMA, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SOMEBODY'S GOT IT TO YOU, SARAH.
GO GET IT TO, WE'LL, WE'LL TO FORWARD IT TO YOU TONIGHT.