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NOT IN THE 18 MILE CREEK, THE CDA.
WE ACTUALLY DID, ACTUALLY DID AN EXHIBIT FROM THE C YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET ME GET MY GMAIL THOUGH.
SO GMAIL IS BLOCKED ON THE NETWORK.
I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT 'CAUSE I CAN'T GET THE GMAIL BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKED.
YEAH, I CAN, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET IT ON MY PHONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN GET THE, YEAH, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO GET MY EMAIL ON THE, MY LAPTOP, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THE WIFI SO I COULD HAVE THE MEMOS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE MEETING.
BUT GMAIL IS BLOCKED ON THE TOWN NETWORK, SO I'LL JUST, I'LL GO OFF OF MY PHONE FOR NOW.
YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT PROJECT, TELL THE BOARD TO CHECK THEIR NAME OUT DOCUMENT.
DID EVERYBODY GET THAT? WE JUST GOT A RECENT EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE PROJECTS ON THE REGULAR MEETING AND IT'S GONNA BE FORWARDED TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
BUT FOR NOW, WHERE'S DOUG? OH, THERE'S DOUG.
WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? NO.
REALLY? SO, SO WE'VE GOT A, WE HAVE A CHICKEN DINNER STUFF FIRE HALL TODAY.
OH, HEY, WE GOT A WORK SESSION ITEM TODAY.
IT'S MICHAEL STRATERA REQUESTING AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA PER NEW YORK STATE LAW.
28 A FOUR TO BE LOCATED AT 3 6 0 1 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
BILL, DID YOU TURN THE, NOW YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THERE? UH, YEAH, I GUESS I DON'T SEE THIS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE YET.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE YET THAT BEHIND UH, IT JUST WENT LIVE.
OKAY, I SEE YOU AND I SEE DENNIS ON THE STREET.
SO, OKAY, THEN YOU CAN GET STARTED.
YEAH, YOU KIND OF SPEAK UP BECAUSE WITH THE MASKS AND EVERYTHING, TAKE IT OFF OR YOU'RE SIX FEET AWAY, TAKE IT OFF.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT, BUT NO, I DON'T BUST IT BECAUSE I'M ON RECORD.
UM, I MEAN THE MICROPHONE IS, IS PRETTY GOOD.
PICK IT UP WHEN I WAS WEARING A MASK I FROM ANYWHERE SO I CAN PUT IT ON YOU.
LET KNOW IF YOU CAN JUST, YEAH, JUST SPEAK CLEARLY.
I'M CHRIS WOOD WITH KERING WOOD MORRIS.
WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT IS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION, UH, WITH, UH, THE EXCEPTION LOT BEING THE EXISTING HOUSE LOT ON THE 36 0 1 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
UH, THE TOTAL PROPERTY AREA IS 16.4 ACRES ZONE RA, UH, THE LOTS RANGE IN SIZE FROM 2.3 TO 5.6 ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, IN THE RA ZONING, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS TWO ACRES.
SO WE EXCEED THAT WITH ALL OUR PROPOSED LOTS AND ALSO WITH THE EXCEPTION LOT, UM, WE PROPOSING IS A OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW SECTION TWO 80 A FOUR, UM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A PRIVATE EASEMENT TO ACCESS LOTS WITHOUT PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE.
AND AS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT WIDE STONE PRIVATE ROAD IN A 25 FOOT EASEMENT AT THE SOUTH END OF THE, THE ROAD WHERE IT WOULD'VE BOUGHT THE NEW LOTS.
THERE WOULD BE A FIRE TRUCK TRUCK AROUND IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPENDIX D OF THE FIRE CODE.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON COMING UP WITH AN ACCEPTABLE GEOMETRY FOR THAT.
AND ALSO, UM, AT THE END OF THAT ROAD, WE'LL HAVE A PRIVATE HYDRANT TO SERVICE THE, THE THREE LOTS.
UM, THERE'S A FEW BENEFITS TO A TOWN DOING IT THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO DOING A PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE PRIVATE.
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PRIVATE.IT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS OF ONE DRIVEWAY AS OPPOSED TO THREE IF WE DID ROADRUNNERS LOTS AND IT MAINTAINS THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
PROVIDES LARGE LOTS WITH A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
AND, UM, ALSO THE LOTS ALSO MEET THE, UH, REMAINING RA ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT DOESN'T MEET IS THE REQUIRED ROAD FRONT.
AND UH, WE DID LOOK AT DOING A PUBLIC ROAD AND UH, WHAT WE FOUND WAS COST PROHIBITIVE BASICALLY ABOUT $167,000 PER LOT FOR $500,000 TOTAL.
SO THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY THAT WOULD NOT MAKE THE PROJECT WORK.
WHY IS IT CHEAPER TO DO A PRIVATE ROAD THAN A PUBLIC ROAD? WELL, WE'RE DOING A STONE PRIVATE ROAD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT TO TOWN SPECS.
IF YOU BUILD A PRIVATE ROAD, WE WOULDN'T BE DID A PRIVATE ROAD.
YES, I GUESS I MISSPOKE, BUT IT'D BE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
AND, AND AGAIN, ALL THE UTILITIES AND THE DRIVEWAY ARE PRIVATE, SO THEY'D BE MAINTAINED BY THE, THE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN.
SO THERE'S A SAVINGS ON THE, THE TOWN'S END FROM THAT.
AND UH, WHEN WE WERE AT THE TOWN BOARD, THEY ALSO ASKED WHAT THE, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
AND UH, MIKE, THE OWNER, HAD UH, PRESENTED THIS TO A BUNCH OF HIS NEIGHBORS.
AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE THE PACKET THAT I SUPPLIED TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT HAS THE NEIGHBOR'S LETTERS OF SUPPORT AT THE BACK END, AT THE BACK END OF IT.
AND IS, UH, MIKE WAS ABLE TO GET ALMOST ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, UM, TO PROVIDE A LETTER OF REPORT.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS KIND OF A CONCURRENCE THAT YOU THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD WAY TO GO.
AND, AND IF IT IS, WE'LL, OR THE SURVEY, DO A REAL SUBDIVISION MAP AND UH, DESIGN THE UTILITIES AND PROCEED.
CHRIS, JUST FOR, AND THE OWNER JUST FOR THIS IS THERE ARE THREE EXISTING LOTS THERE, RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE TURNING INTO FOUR.
THERE'S FOUR ACTUALLY FOUR LOTS.
FOUR LOTS THAT WERE JUST MOVING THE PROPERTY LINES AROUND.
1, 2, 3, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE FOUR LOTS THERE.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF MOVING THE PROPERTY LINES AROUND AND UH, THE FRONT LOT WHERE MIKE CURRENTLY OWNS IN, IN THE HOUSE, HE'S GONNA REMAIN THERE.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE I GUESS AN EXCEPTION LOT 'CAUSE THAT HAS ITS OWN ACCESS TO, RIGHT? SO FOR LOT ONE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN WITH ITS OWN DRIVEWAY, ITS OWN WATER SERVICE, ET CETERA.
THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA IS THE THREE ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT ARE GONNA BE SERVICED OFF A PRIVATE DRIVE RIGHT ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO DEPENDENCY ON THE LOT ON ONE OR IF YOU'RE RUNNING A, AN EASEMENT THROUGH THAT FOR THE, WE'RE GONNA RUN AN EASEMENT THROUGH THERE FOR THE UTILITIES OR, OR I MEAN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT, WE CAN RUN THE EASEMENT DOWN THE PRIVATE ROAD EASEMENT, THE 25 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT HE IS PROVIDING FOR THAT.
LEMME POINT OUT TOO THAT WE DID PLACE THAT PRIVATE ROAD ALONG THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY AND UH, WE FOUND THAT TO BE THE LEAST INTRUSIVE SPOT TO PUT IT.
IT KEEPS THE EASTERLY PORTION OF MIKE'S LOT THAT HE'S GONNA KEEP WIDE OPEN HIS GREEN SPACE AND UH, IT, YOU KNOW, IT SHIELDS SOMEWHAT BY THE EXISTING ROWS OF TREES THAT ARE THERE.
AND UH, THE AERIAL I HANDED OUT AND I THINK SARAH EMAILED TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SEVERAL PRETTY DENSE STANDS OF TREES THERE.
CHRIS, SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT FROM A PRIVATE ROAD TO PRIVATE DRIVEWAY? YEAH, RIGHT.
THAT THAT'D BE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WHEN THEY DO A FULL SITE PLAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY'LL SAY PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO AND GET TOPO AND SURVEY AND DESIGN THIS AND ONCE WE DO THAT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE CORRECTLY LABELED AS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW, RIGHT? NO.
WE'RE THE YELLOW LINEAS FOR THE PRIVATE ROAD, RIGHT? NO, NO.
SO THE INTENT IS TO RETAIN EACH OF THESE AS ZONED RA AND THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE RESIDENCE OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL USE PER LOT.
THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE ONE RESIDENCE ON EACH LOT.
CORRECT? THERE'D BE A TOTAL OF FOUR HOUSES.
YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY AGRICULTURAL USES BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO BRING FARM EQUIPMENT UP THE DRIVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PRIVATE DRIVE WOULD BE RIGHT.
THE INTENT IS USE 'EM FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UM, AND THEN ANY OTHER USE OF THE RA WOULD ALLOW WOULD, WOULD BE A BONUS I GUESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I DROVE BY THE SITE TODAY AND THE DRIVEWAY THEY HAVE PLANNED SEEMS TO GO WITH LIKE WHAT THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE IS ALREADY THERE.
LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALREADY LIKE WILDS
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I GUESS GRASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES THEY'D HAVE TO CLEAR.
YEAH, YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY JUST KIND OF DROVE ALONG THE TRAIN TRACKS TO GET BACK THERE TO DO WHATEVER FARMING STUFF THEY DID.
AND IT'S DEFINITELY KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES BACK THERE AND THERE'S A LARGE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM 'EM.
AND WHERE AND WHERE WE PLACE THE LOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE REALLY AREN'T, THEY'RE HUNDREDS OF FEET AWAY FROM ANY OTHER EXISTING HOME.
CHRIS, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DESIGN YET, BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS AT THAT CURB OF THE ROAD.
ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SITE DISTANCE THERE BUT USUALLY, YOU KNOW, BY THREE HOUSES SERVED ON THE DRIVEWAY, THEY'RE GONNA OFF SITE DISTANCE, EITHER AROUND THE CORNER.
OH, THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I SHOW IT RIGHT NOW COMING IN AT AN ANGLE.
WE'LL WE WILL CURVE IT SO IT COMES IN PER PARTICULAR TO THE ROAD.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THAT WHEN YOU GET THAT POINT BECAUSE IT YEP.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE UP AT THE ROAD THAT INDICATES THE ADDRESSES OF THE THREE LOTS MAINLY, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE BEING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT THEY READY TO TRY TO FIND THE HOUSES.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD IS CHARGED WITH BY TOWN, BY NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW TO ISSUE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA.
WE CAN'T ACT ON THE SUBDIVISION 'CAUSE THE LOTS DON'T MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY'RE GOING THE ROUTE OF GETTING AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA AND BY, BY NEW YORK STATE LAW WE HAVE TO ISSUE A REPORT.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THAT REPORT IS GONNA BE INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
EVERY OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA IN WEST AMERICA EVER DONE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A BIG SAY ON THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE THOSE HOUSES IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
SO WE NEED INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO FOR US TO PUT THAT REPORT TOGETHER, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA NEED THAT INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO CHRIS, I I GOT A QUESTION AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF TREES THERE JUST PAST THE END.
HOW WOULD LOT THREE, HOW WOULD, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET TO THEIR PROPERTY? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THOSE TREES DOWN, PUT IN A ROAD OR WHAT? UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE AERIAL FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
NOT, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE MOST OF THE TIME.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT I GUESS WHEN WE GET THE ACTUAL TOPO AND BOUNDARY SURVEY.
BUT THERE, THERE IS A CHANCE WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE THE LITTLE NUB OF TREES OFF THE END THERE FOR THEM TO GET TO THEIR PROPERTY OR, OR CUT A CUT A LITTLE PATH THROUGH THE TREES IN THAT, THAT ONE STRETCH.
BUT THAT TREE LINE WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THE BUFFER BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE.
MOST OF IT'S KIND OF A NICE BREAK THERE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE INCENTIVE IS TO KEEP THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS US TO GET FOR THEM TO DO THE REPORT? OBVIOUSLY CAMMIE'S GONNA HAVE SOME INPUT ON ENGINEERING ISSUES.
THERE'S ISSUES WITH SEWER AND ET CETERA AND, BUT, UM, SARAH'S GONNA GET THE INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU NEED CONSERVATION BOARD? ANY ISSUES DID YOU NEED INPUT ON? SO WE WE'RE GONNA DO A, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A REPORT YES OR NO BEFORE WE GET A FULL SITE PLAN.
WELL, YOU CAN ASK THEM FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, BUT UNTIL THEY GET THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA, THEY CAN'T GET ANY APPROVAL FROM US FOR A SUBDIVISION, SO.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS THE, THE DRIVEWAY MIGHT BE CURVED, THAT'LL BE, IT'LL HAVE A CURVE IN IT.
WE, WE'LL PROBABLY WANT A LOT OF INFORMATION I THINK IN THE DRIVE, HOW WIDE IT IS.
OH WE'LL HAVE A REGULAR SUBDIVISION SET OF PLANS, BUT RIGHT NOW, RATHER THAN SPEND A TON OF MONEY UP FRONT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING IF IT'S GONNA GO FORWARD.
I, I THINK TO, FOR US TO DO THE REPORT, WE PROBABLY WANT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON, ON THAT.
CHRIS, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DESIGN THAT DRIVEWAY, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO KNOW.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING SO WIDE.
I MEAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING WANNA KNOW THE WAY, RIGHT.
YOU TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY A GRAVEL ROAD.
I DON'T THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ACCEPT THE GRAVEL ROAD, BUT AT LEAST LET 'EM KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, HOW YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT MATERIALS YOU'RE GONNA OBSTRUCT IT OUT KIND OF WIDTH AND, AND MATERIALS TYPICALLY.
IF IT'S THAT LONG, ARE YOU, THIS CAR IS GONNA BE ABLE TO GO BOTH DIRECTIONS.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S COMING HOME AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS LEAVING, OR, WELL, IF YOU'RE, I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE OVER 600 FEET YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PULL OFF.
SO WE, WE WOULD'VE TO MOST LIKELY HAVE A PULL OFF.
AND THAT, THAT'S RECORDED BY THE FIRE CODE.
CERTAIN TOWNS HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE LENGTH OF PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AND IT CLEARANCE I THINK LIMITS THE LENGTH YOU CAN HAVE ON YOUR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE NEED THAT INPUT FROM THE
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FIRE DEPARTMENT.IT'S ALL ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SERVICE THOSE HOUSES.
I MEAN, DO YOU GUYS WANNA PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF INFORMATION YOU WANNA GET IT TO SARAH AND SARAH CAN GET IT TO ME.
I MEAN, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS AT THIS STAGE, DEAL WITH THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S GONNA HAVE, BUT I CAN, I CAN COME UP WITH A DESIGN FOR THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE TURNAROUND AND STUFF.
AND, AND PROVIDE IT TO SARAH AND THEN SHE CAN CIRCULATE TO YOU GUYS AND YOU WANNA SEND TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, GRADING OF IT.
THIS GEOMETRY PAL WOULD WORK AND THE SIZE OF IT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY'D WANT BEFORE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WRITING A REPORT? NOW THE INTERESTING PART OF THIS IS WE WON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TILL WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT, WE'RE JUST ISSUE A REPORT.
AND EVEN WHEN THEY GET TO THE TOWN BOARD, IT'S BY RESOLUTION.
IT JUST ALLOWS YOU UNDER THE LAW TO HAVE THIS.
SO THE TOWN BOARD WOULDN'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING EITHER? NO.
I MEAN, IT'D BE A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT.
IF THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA IS APPROVED, THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK HERE AND WE'D HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN THE OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR US, ONCE WE GET GRANTED THAT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US ANY APPROVAL TO BUILD ANYTHING.
WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE REGULAR SUB PROCESS.
IT JUST ALLOWS THEM TO DO LOTS NOT HAVING FRONTAGE ON THE HIGHWAY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO TO ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND TRY TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THREE LOTS WITH NO REAL FRONTAGE.
JOE, DID YOU SAY THAT IF THEY PUT A HOUSE ON EACH LOT, IT WON'T MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS? NO, IT WILL.
THE, THE ONLY ZONING REQUIREMENT IT WON'T MEET IS HAVING FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC ROAD.
IT'LL STILL MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
IT'LL MEET ALL THE SETBACKS FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINES.
THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T MEET IS THE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC.
IN AN RA DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE, I BELIEVE ON THE HIGHWAY 200 FOOT WHERE YOU BUILD A LOT.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT FRONTAGE REQUIRED.
THAT'S WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA IS.
YOU HAVE NO FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC ROAD, COUNTY, STATE, OR LOCAL ROAD.
AND THEY'RE NOT DOING A PRIVATE ROAD.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA FORM A, THEY'RE DOING A PRIVATE DRIVE OR ACCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS ALL PRIOR AGRICULTURAL, PREVIOUSLY FARMED LAND.
SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY DRAINED OR AS, UH, REGARD THE, YEAH, I THINK IF YOU WERE EMAILED THE THING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, IT'S GOT THE WETLANDS ON IT.
THERE ARE NO MAP, NO MAP MAP STATE OR FEDERAL WETLANDS.
I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK AT IF THERE'S HYDRO SOILS ON THE SITE, THE SITE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY FARMED THAT DOES NOT GRANDFATHER YOU FROM WETLAND REGULATIONS.
YOU COULD HAVE A FARM FIELD THAT IT'S A WETLAND, BUT THERE'S NOTHING INDICATED ON ANY OF THE MAPS.
WE'RE NOT IN A STATE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A NOTICE OF NUTANIX ET LIKE THAT.
UM, HAS THE PROPERTY BEEN FARMED RECENTLY OR LIKE UH, NO, IT HAS NOT.
I'VE LIVED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 80.
WELL I GREW UP ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I'VE ACTUALLY LIVED ON THE PROPERTY, OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE LATE EIGHTIES AND LIVED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE UH, 90.
SO IN THAT BUILDING THAT I LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1990.
I'VE BUILT TWO HOMES ACROSS THE STREET ON PREVIOUS PROPERTY THAT I OWNED ALSO.
SO, BUT MY UNCLE ACTUALLY FARMED THE PROPERTY AS A SMALL FARM, MAYBE FIVE TO 10 ACRES OF IT.
UM, AND THEN I, UH, THROUGH TIME HERE HAVE BOUGHT THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE, WHICH IS THE ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT ARE THERE.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR THE RE-CONFIGURE THOSE, THOSE PARCELS TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.
AND IT IS BEEN MY BACKYARD ESSENTIALLY EVER SINCE 1990.
THE PEOPLE APPEARS ON THE A THE PEOPLE BEHIND HERE, BEHIND THE PROPERTY AND SOUTH, DO THEY STILL FARM THEN? IT IS ACTUALLY, IT IS, UH, OWNED, UH, WELL THE IDENTITY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE, UH, THOMAS'S, UM, FROM NORTH COLLINS AND FLORIDA.
AND IT IS PRESENTLY BEING RENTED BY, UH, RYAN, UH, O GORMAN AND DAN HENRY.
UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU WERE IN AN AG DISTRICT, WE'D HAVE TO NOTIFY THOSE FARMERS
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SO THEY COULD REGISTER ANY, I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HOUSES THERE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE OVER SPRAY AND PESTICIDE.
YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH BOTH, UH, RYAN, WELL I HAVEN'T SPOKE WITH DAN DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS CONCEPT, BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH RYAN.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING WE HAVE TO DO.
IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TALKING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND, AND THAT I FELT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I WILL BE THE CLOSEST PROPERTY, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE CLOSEST YOU IMPACTED PROPERTY, UM, TO ALL THE OTHER CO PARCELS THAT I'M CONSIDERING BREAKING OFF.
SO IF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, CHRIS'S OFFER, THE PLANNING BOARD THINKS OF ANYTHING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS OR WHATEVER, PLEASE EMAIL SARAH, LET HER KNOW SO THEY CAN, CAN PREPARE FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND WE HOPEFULLY WILL GET INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN START TO PUT OUR REPORT TOGETHER.
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN YOUR REPORT.
I'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS, I THINK WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE OTHER OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA.
IT WAS MORE THAN I THINK IT WAS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.
SO YOU, IT'S UP TO YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN THAT REPORT.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY, THERE'S NO STANDARD BEFORE YOU CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
LET ME GET YOU THE DRIVEWAY DRAWING.
AND THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT TO THEM.
I CONTACTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TWICE NOW.
UM, THE TREE LINE IS BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE.
IS THE INTENT TO KEEP THAT THERE AS A PROJECT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES TO PROVIDE A SCREENING OF PRIVACY FOR THE OWNER OF LOT THREE? YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY PLANTED ALL OF THOSE TREES.
UM, ALMOST EVERY, IF A BIRD DIDN'T PLANT IT, I PLANTED EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT CHILDREN, THEY'RE TREES.
BUT, UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
UM, AND IF THERE IS A CONVENIENCE PURPOSE OR AN AESTHETICS PURPOSE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY REASON.
UM, BUT IT IS A NICE BUFFER TO HAVE THERE.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PATHS.
UH, IT WAS, UH, WE CALLED IT THE TUNNEL OF TREES BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO HEDGE ROWS THAT ARE SIDE BY SIDE.
SO IT'S, IT IS ACTUALLY A VERY APPEALING PATH.
SO, UH, YES, I GUESS IS THE SIMPLE ANSWER.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? BILL, IS ESSENTIAL CONDITION BOARD GONNA GO DOWN HERE? WHAT'S THAT? IF WE ASK HIM TO AL ASK IF THE CONSERVATION BOARD IS GONNA GO DOWN THERE.
IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD LOOK AT, WE CAN ASK THEM TO.
UM, WE, WE TYPICALLY, I'M SORRY, BILL, WE TYPICALLY, WE REFER TO 'EM AT THE TIME OF SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, THIS IS UNIQUE AT OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEED FOR YOUR REPORT, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN SEND IT TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
BUT TYPICALLY WE WOULD WAIT TILL THE SUBDIVISION, WE REFER TO ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
LIKE I SAID, OPEN DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
AND THE, THE INTENT IS TO KEEP ALL THE TREES, UH, I RIGHT.
SO THE DRIVEWAY'S NOT TAKEN OUT ANY TREES.
MAYBE SOME OF THE SCRUBBY ONES SCRUBBY BRUSH UP BY THE ROAD.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THE TREE LINE AND THE, THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND IT'LL CUT OVER AT THE END OF BOTH OF THOSE OTHER HEDGE ROWS.
ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS? AND THEN WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT THICKER ONE BETWEEN TWO AND THREE.
BUT THE INTENT IS TO NOT REALLY REMOVE ANY TREES.
CHRIS, I ASSUME YOU'VE LOOKED OR HAD ANY, LOOK AT THE SOILS HERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPTIC SYSTEMS. I MEAN, ARE THEY SUITABLE SOILS? EVEN IF THEY DON'T, WE DO SAND FILTER, BUT MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SANDY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A VEIN THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE WATER VALLEY PORTION OVER HERE THAT'S SANDY.
AND UH, IT MAY WORK IF NOT, WE DO SAND FILTERS IN THIS AREA ALL THE TIME.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOWNS SOUTHERN OVERLAY.
IT TALKS ABOUT NONWORKING SOILS AND REQUIRING, I MEAN THE, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE CONSERVATION BOARDS BECAME UPSET WHEN WE ALL SEND THEM DOWN.
I MEAN, SO WHAT DOES THE BOARD THINK ABOUT THAT? SHOULD WE SEND THEM NOW BEFORE WE WRITE A REPORT? OR SHOULD WE SEND THEM AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION? WHY DON'T WE SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE ROAD'S GOING KIND OF BE COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALRIGHT, SO, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE THEM INVOLVED AT ALL.
OR YOU WAIT UNTIL THE SUBDIVISION TILL RIGHT.
SO, SO, SO DOUG'S IDEA IS LET'S LOOK AT THE, THE DRIVEWAY IN A BIT MORE DETAIL.
AND IF WE WANT MORE INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD AFTER THAT, WE CAN ASK THEM BEFORE WE DO A FINAL REPORT, DOES EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GET THEM INVOLVED ANYWAYS
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WHEN WE GET TO THE SUBDIVISION PHASE? OR IS THAT UP TO OUR DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT? UM, IT'S USUALLY OUR DETERMINATION AND I THINK IT'S GONNA DEPEND FOR ME LOOKING AT IT, IF THERE'S SOME, IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF WATER FLOW ISSUE THAT IT MIGHT BE CHANGING OR IF THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA COME DOWN, THEN WE DEFINITELY WOULD GET THEM INVOLVED.SO THIS ONE, UM, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT THE END.
MY THOUGHT WAS JUST IF WE ARE, IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO GET 'EM INVOLVED ANYWAYS, I'D RATHER GET 'EM INVOLVED EARLY ON THAN HAVE TO KEEP REVISING OR REVISING OR REVISING PLANS.
LIKE LET'S STREAMLINE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD GO WITH THAT ROUTE.
WHY, WHY BE SURPRISED LATER? SEND IT TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
SEE WHAT KIND OF, KIND OF QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THEY HAVE.
I MEAN, MIGHT AS WELL GET THEIR INPUT EARLY.
I HATE TO SEE THEM GO THROUGH ALL THIS IN AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THEN THE CONSERVATION BOARD SAYS, OH, THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND ZI DON'T SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM WOULD BE.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN, WHEN I WAS OUT LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY TODAY, THE ROAD IS GOING RIGHT ALONG A BRUSH AREA LIKE THERE ARE NO TREES.
'CAUSE WHEN I STOPPED IN, STARTED WALKING THE ROUTE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS WITH MY SON, I WAS LIKE, THIS IS BEAUTIFUL.
THIS IS PERFECT BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE, TWO COUNTRIES DOWN FOR YOUR SITE LINE STRAIGHT ALONG THE CRUSH AREA FROM THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE IS NO GOOD AND BAD IN, IN NEW YORK STATE LAW.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR US TO ACT IN A TIMEFRAME.
MATTER FACT, THE LAW GOES AS FAR TO SAY GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD AS MUCH TIME AS THEY NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A REPORT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF THE APPLICANT AND WHATEVER AND PUT IT IN REASONABLE TIME BECAUSE THIS IS A REQUEST.
THERE ARE NO OFFICIAL TIMEFRAMES AND WHATEVER.
SO LET'S TRY TO GET SOME INPUT, HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, AND THEN MOVE TO MAYBE AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING, MOVE TO ISSUE A REPORT FOR THE TOWN BOARD AND GET THE TOWN BOARD DOWN BOARD COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
ALTHOUGH THEY'VE SEEN IT A COUPLE TIMES NOW AND THAT'S WHY THEY REFERRED TO YOU GUYS THAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO GET THE PROCESSIS GOING.
OKAY, I'LL CONTACT THE CONSERVATION LAWYER.
UM, I GUESS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE MICHAEL STA TO AUGUST 5TH SECOND.
SO WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES BEFORE CHRIS.
THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION.
WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES BEFORE, SEVEN O'CLOCK BEFORE THE REST OF THE MEETING STARTS.
UM, CAN EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING HEAR OKAY? SOUNDS GOOD.
YEAH, THAT DREW IS A LITTLE BIT MUFFLED.
I NEVER, I WAS HAVING TROUBLE DREW.
I COULDN'T HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS DREW SAYING.
SO DREW'S A LITTLE BIT MUFFLED ON FACEBOOK.
SO THERE'S NO, SO THERE'S NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT THE MICROPHONE YET.
THE, YEAH, THE DIFFICULT THING WITH DREW FOR YOU GUYS IS, IS YOU GUYS ARE, ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING ON THE LAPTOP, NOT THE, NOT THE OTHER MICROPHONE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING HIM.
WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE HIM MOVE THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, WELL I'LL MOVE FOR THE REGULAR MEETING AND HE'LL BE CLOSER ALL SO, SO THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL WORK OUT BETTER.
YOU WANNA STICK AROUND FOR THAT BILL? WE CLEARLY, WE'RE BASICALLY, I SET A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT FIRST SHOULD STICK AROUND AND CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, DREW THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE THROUGH THE LAPTOP, RIGHT? CAN'T HEAR YOU ALL THAT WELL.
SO IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE, THE BLUE CHAIR OVER THERE.
HIDE IN THE CORNER BEHIND THE TV.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BIG BENEFIT THAT THEY COULDN'T HEAR.
WELL THEY, APPARENTLY IT'S NOT.
'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO HEAR YOU.
THERE THERE'S THE CLARIFICATION YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THERE.
SO, BILL, THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE ABOUT WHAT IS BEING BUILT ACROSS FROM LOWS, WHICH THINK CORRECTLY ANSWERED ABOUT THE
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OVER NEAR THE MICHAELS FACILITY.YEAH, THAT'S THE, WELL NOW CARE.
AND THEN TWO, UH, OTHER, UH, ONE OTHER PERSON SAID YES.
SO IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO THE JULY 15TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF WARD PLANNING COURT.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THROUGH THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS.
ONE NATION, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, ROUTINE.
JUSTICE BILL, YOU DID START THIS.
WHAT? YOU STARTED THE RECORDER.
I STARTED THE RECORDER AND I DIDN'T TURN IT OFF IN BETWEEN.
IT HAS BEEN SO LONG SINCE I HAD TO DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TON FAMILY TRUST, REQUESTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
I'M APPEARING ON BEHALF OF MARTIN FAMILY TRUST.
HI THIS, SAY HELLO TO EVERYBODY.
SO WE'VE SEEN THIS ONE A FEW TIMES.
IT IS, IT'S IN AN RA AREA, BUT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO THREE LOTS.
UM, ANY, UH, AND WE DID A, A NEGATIVE DECK AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? NO.
YOU HAVE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH,
SO AT THIS TIME, CASE HAS THANK YOU.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO READ EITHER.
SO THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TON FAMILY TRUST.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? KATELYN'S GONNA, I READ THE NOTICE.
NOTICE, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD WILL A PUBLIC HEARING ON A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS THE FAMILY TRUST RELAPSED DIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 9 LAKE U ROAD PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD AT 7:00 PM ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF ANYONE'S HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK? UH, THE MONCTON FAMILY TRUST FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE HERE FOR MONCTON FAMILY TRUST? OKAY.
ANYBODY COMMENTING ON FACEBOOK? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S GIVE IT SOME TIME FOR THE DELAY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK BEFORE I CLOSE IT.
YOU GUYS AREN'T HERE TO SPEAK ON THE MONTON FAMILY TRUST, ARE YOU? OKAY.
SO WHAT WAS THAT, CAITLYN? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
I I THINK IT'S, THERE'S NO COMMENTS.
THERE'S NO COMMENTS YET, BUT I THINK I'M STILL READING THE NOTICE NOW.
THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT JUST WALKED IN AND THEY, I, I ASKED THEM AS THEY WALKED IN IF THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THEN THEY WALKED OUT THE BACK.
SO I GUESS THEY WEREN'T EVEN HERE FOR THIS.
SO BEING NO COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE PRESUME, UH, SARAH PUT A RESOLUTION TOGETHER JUST IN CASE YOU WANT BACK.
THERE IS THERE IS A RESOLUTION, WHICH I TRIED TO READ A WHILE AGO, APPARENTLY.
BUT, UM, ANY ISSUES BY ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WITH, WE'VE GOT AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION.
JUST EXPLAIN, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE IT'S A C ZONING, IT'S THREE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
WHAT WE TOLD 'EM IN SEEKER, AND HERE TONIGHT, IF THEY'RE TO BUILD ANYTHING COMMERCIAL ON THE PROPERTY, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IF I BUILD RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A REZONING OR A USE VARIANCE.
SO THIS IS JUST TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY UP.
THEY REALLY, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT BIG ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
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A C TWO ZONE.UM, THEY, THEY MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF C TWO ZONE.
IT'S JUST WE'RE SPLITTING THE PROPERTIES UP.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK.
SARAH CHECKED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO RECREATION FEE THAT HAS TO BE PAID.
UM, SO, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA WAVE SIDEWALKS.
YEAH, WE'RE WAIVING SIDEWALKS.
IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF CAMMY HAS ANY NO.
ALRIGHT, BILL, I'M, WELL, I'M GONNA ADD AN, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITION THAT AS, AS YOU SAID, ANY BUILDING ON THESE WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT I'M GONNA PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION SURE.
JUST SO IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AGREEING TO THE SUBDIVISION, BUT WE'RE NOT AGREEING THAT ANYTHING CAN BE BUILT ON THOSE CORRECT.
VACANT PROPERTIES BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A BIG DISTINCTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT.
THE REST OF THE AREA BEING RA NORMALLY WHEN WE DO A RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE APPROVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA ADD THAT CONDITION.
YEAH, I I I'M GONNA ADD THAT CONDITION.
SO, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS RECEIVED A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FROM THE TON FAMILY TRUST TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON JULY 1ST, 2020.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBRICK PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 15TH, 2020.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY ISSUES PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED.
TWO, THE FILING OF A MAP COVER IS WAIVED.
THREE FEES IN LIEU OF LAND WILL NOT BE REQUIRED AS THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION.
ANY BUILDINGS ON THESE LOTS WILL REQUIRE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE TOWN OF BURY PLANNING BOARD.
SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
IT JUST, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN FILE THE MAP COVER IF YOU WANT, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM US TO FILE THAT, YOU COULD FORCE THE COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO FILE IT FOR SOME REASON, YOU NEED TO FILE A MAP COVER AND WE CAN SIGN SOMETHING FOR YOU.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO SEE A OKAY.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS LINDSEY BOUNCY.
MARIE DAMON PET REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION OF A COFFEE SHOP AND A COWORKING SPACE AT 4 9 0 0 LAKESHORE ROAD.
AND WE, WE RECENTLY HAD SOMETHING EMAILED ON THIS, RIGHT? YEP.
DID YOU SEND THAT TO EVERYONE OR JUST THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE? SARAH, EVERYONE.
I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU OVER THERE.
SO THE PERSON SPEAKING CAN STAND THERE.
WHAT THEY MIGHT DO YOU WANT SPEAK ON MY OWN? OH, WELL YOU'LL BE CLOSER TO THE YEAH, MARIE, MAKE SURE YOU TRY TO SPEAK OUT.
WHERE'S THE MIC? THE MICROPHONE THAT, THAT'S DOING THE BROADCAST IS HERE, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT AREN'T ATTENDING ARE, ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING THROUGH THAT LAPTOP ON THE PODIUM OVER THERE.
SO THANK YOU, SOME OF YOU IN PERSON AND HOPEFULLY IT, UH, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO HEAR US IN PERSON VERSUS OVER THE PHONE.
UM, ACTUALLY, I'M SO SORRY, LINDSAY, DO YOU MIND GRABBING MY PHONE ON MY CHAIR? SURE.
UM, IN CONCLUSION OF OUR LAST MEETING, I REMEMBER I WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS WORK? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION AND WE WANNA MAKE THIS WORK FOR OUR TOWN.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT WRAPPED AROUND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO WE TOOK YOUR REQUESTS AND COMPLETED 'EM.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, THIS WILL BE SATISFACTORY FOR YOU.
SO I'M JUST GONNA PULL UP THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
CAN I JUST PICK UP WHERE WE THAT LEFT OFF LAST TIME? YEAH.
IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
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SO THE NOTES THAT I HAD, JUST TO OVERVIEW, UM, MAKING SURE THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE OUR PATRONS, WEREN, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED TO USE THE SPACE FOR ANYTHING BUT IT'S SOLE PURPOSE, WHETHER IT BE CO-WORKING OR WITH THE COFFEE SHOP.UM, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING INTO OUR AGREEMENTS.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM WITH OUR MEMBERSHIPS THAT MENTIONS THE USE OF INDOOR OUTDOOR CO-WORKING FOR WORK PURPOSES ONLY.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON, SO INDOOR AND I OUTDOOR, CORRECT? WELL, SO, SO WE HAVE THE LAND IN THE BACK, BUT, SO, BUT FOR WORK PURPOSES ONLY, UH, WE DO PLAN ON PUTTING, UM, GATE SYSTEMS IN.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY COOL THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT I THINK YOU'LL LIKE AS FAR AS NOT SO MUCH CONTROLLING, BUT BEING AWARE OF WHO IS COMING INTO OUR SPACE WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO OUR SPACE AND HOW THEY PLAN ON UTILIZING IT.
UM, SIMPLE THINGS THOUGH, TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.
THE PARKING LOT FLOW, WE SENT A DRAWING IN FOR THAT, UM, UPDATED PARKING PLAN THAT WAS DONE.
THE LAYOUT OF BOTH BUSINESSES INSIDE AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT.
UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, I THINK SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IS THAT, SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH A COMPANY CALLED GRIT SEED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT THEY, THEY WERE WINNERS OF THE FOUR THREE NORTH COMPETITION.
WHAT IS THE COMPANY CALLED? GRIT.
AND MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KEEP SPEAKING UP BECAUSE I KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING IS SO HARD.
SO USUALLY I WIN WITH A SMILE.
SO GRIT SEED, UM, THEY'RE A STARTUP COMPANY.
THEY HAVE A TEXTING APPLICATION THAT MONITORS ANY TYPE OF DATA THAT WE NEED OR WANT.
SO IDEALLY, UM, WELL ACTUALLY, SO FIRST OFF, IT'LL HELP US MANAGE COVID, RIGHT? SO POST COVID-19 OPERATIONS, IT HAS QUESTIONS, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS FOR OUR MEMBERS OR ANYONE VISITING THE SPACE.
IT WILL ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS GEARING TOWARDS WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING TO USE THE SPACE, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE SPACE.
VERY SIMILARLY TO, I WANNA BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A PRESSING POINT LAST TIME.
VERY SIMILAR TO A TEE TIME AT A COUNTRY CLUB, RIGHT? SO YOU RESERVE YOUR TIME, YOU COME SEE US AT X TIME, WE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE.
WE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE POST COVID OR NOT.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'S A BEST PRACTICE MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, KNOWING WHO'S GONNA BE THERE WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE, AND HOW THAT CAPACITY WORKS.
UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE FACT THAT I SAID, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES HAVE DIFFERENT PEAK OPERATION TIMES.
SO GRIT SEED, USING THAT AS A WHOLE, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'M WILLING AS CONVERGENCE COWORKING TO OFFER AS A, AS AN AMENITY BASICALLY TO THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
UM, TO HAVE THAT SO WE CAN SUPPORT THE MISSION THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.
I KNOW I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT I WANTED TO DIG IN.
UM, WE ALSO MENTIONED PARTNERING WITH UBER AND HAMBURG TAXI FOR, AND ACTUALLY I'VE REACHED OUT TO 'EM AND REVISED OUR COWORKING MEMBERSHIP LEVELS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, TO PROVIDE COMPLIMENTARY RIDES TO AND FROM THE SPACE.
SO FOR ANYONE WHO HAD A CONCERN ABOUT OUR MEMBERS TAKING UP ANY ADDITIONAL SPACES, UM, I HAVE CERTAIN MEMBERSHIP LEVELS THAT WILL INCENTIVIZE THOSE MEMBERS TO PURCHASE THOSE LEVELS BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN TO AND FROM THAT SPACE FREELY, ACTUALLY WITHOUT COST.
UM, WHICH WITH BRIEF SURVEY TO THE AUDIENCE THAT I DO HAVE ORGANIZING FREELANCE BUSINESS WEEK AND HAVING A COUPLE HUNDRED FREELANCERS IN MY POCKET, UM, THEY WERE VERY PERCEPTIVE TO THAT.
UM, AND WHEN I SAY FREELANCERS, I REALIZE THAT THAT'S A VERY MODERN AND NEW TERM.
IT'S A GLORIFIED WORD FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
UM, SO PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION FOR EMPLOYEES OF CONVERGENCE, WHICH AT THIS TIME IS JUST MYSELF.
AND THEN 49 COFFEE, LINDSAY AND KEVIN ALREADY AGREED TO PUT THAT INTO THE PAY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES, WHICH I THINK IS VERY PROGRESSIVE.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS OUR CITY GROWS, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT A TREND THAT'S UNCOMMON IN OTHER CITIES.
SO FOR OUR CITY TO START ADAPTING IT EVEN IN A SUBURB IS VERY, TO ME, IT'S VERY COOL, UH,
UM, AND THEN I GUESS TO JUST KEEP, TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THAT 49 COFFEE IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTING PICKUP AND TO GO ORDERS WITH DELIVERY OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO HOP ONTO SOMETHING LIKE GRUBHUB OR DOORDASH TO GET THOSE DELIVERY OPTIONS TO MINIMIZE OUR TRAFFIC, WHICH
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AGAIN, WE WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BEGINNING WITH EVERYTHING BEING CONSIDERED.UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MAKING OUR CASE HERE.
UM, SO I ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO READY BIKE SHARE.
NOT SURE WHO'S ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THEY'RE ALSO ANOTHER PRODUCT OF, UM, THE, THE INCUBATOR DIGS DOWNTOWN, SO 43 NORTH.
UM, AND I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING A READY BIKE SHARE IN OUR SPACE.
UH, WE ALREADY PLANNED ON INCORPORATING BIKE RACKS AT EACH END, AN ENTRANCE.
SO WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE CALLED THE SEAWAY TRAIL.
PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I GOT THAT WRONG.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE SEAWAY TRAIL, WE HAVE A BUS ROUTE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR BIKE RACKS OUT FOR THE SUMMER, OF COURSE, 'CAUSE IT'S BUFFALO, UM,
BUT HAVING READY BIKE, I THINK NOT JUST ONLY SUPPORTS OUR MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, BUT IT'S REALLY BRINGING ANOTHER CITY CENTRIC REALLY.
AND SHE TOO, WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT, IS JUST BRINGING, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.
WHETHER WE'RE NIAGARA FALLS, THE CITY OR THE SOUTH TOWNS OR THE SOUTHERN TIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THAT TO US IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, YOU GUYS DID ASK FOR OUR LETTERS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, WHICH I KNOW THAT THAT WAS, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE A TALKING POINT.
AND WE DID GET OUR LETTERS FROM, UH, GOLDEN HIRE, SO MR. BILL BARRETT AND, UH, FRANK, LOU AND SARAH OVER AT PUBLIC HOUSE.
SO WE'VE COME TO A PRETTY GOOD AGREEMENT.
I WAS LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE ME.
IT WAS YOU, IT WAS ME WATCHING.
YEAH, WE CAME TO A GOOD AGREEMENT WITH 'EM.
UM, AS FAR AS RECIPROCATING REFERRAL BUSINESS AND HAVING THEM ALLOW US TO USE THEIR SPACE.
I MEAN, WE GET THAT BEING SUCH A, A HOT COMMODITY REALLY BEING ON THE LAKE AND WANTING TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE SPACE.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE MORE THAN JUST US.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE IN THAT KOCH COMMUNITY FEEL.
AND IF I, IF I CAN BE FRANK, YOU KNOW, BRINGING PUBLIC HOUSE AND MY OTHER, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYONE TOGETHER IN THAT AREA, UM, IT WAS A CHALLENGE.
NOT GONNA LIE, BUT IT FELT SO GOOD TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THAT, AND I FEEL LIKE DOING THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO EMULATE THAT INTO THE REST OF WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IN THAT SPACE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND TODAY, CAN YOU SUBMIT IN HARD COPIES OF WHAT YOU EMAILED ME EARLIER? THEY'RE RIGHT HERE.
I ACTUALLY WENT TO PUBLIC HOUSE TODAY AND WAS LIKE, HEY GUYS, CAN I PLEASE? OKAY, THAT'S, YEP.
AND BILL GOT ME HIS LETTER, SO I HAVE HARD COPIES OF EVERYTHING.
UM, I REALLY, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I COVER THAT.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY OPEN TO DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
AND OF COURSE I HAVE LINCOLN COMING HERE WITH ME, SO, RIGHT.
SO EVERYBODY GOT THE EMAIL, RIGHT? EVERYBODY HOME? YEAH.
THIS IS WHICH WHAT THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT BY SARAH AT SIX 15? SIX 30.
SIX 30? YEAH, SIX 30 IS IS BY MY SIX 30 TONIGHT.
YOU DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT.
UM, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS, SO I HAD ONE, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE, CAN WE GET A COPY OF YOUR DISSERTATION OF PDF OR SOMETHING, THE ONE YOU GAVE US IN THE LAST MEETING? OF COURSE.
UM, SARAH, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS DID YOU TALK TO ROGER ABOUT HANDICAP PARKING SPACES? YES.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALK, UM, SO IN REGARDS TO THE HANDICAP PARKING, WE ONLY NEED ONE SPOT FOR EVERY 25.
FOR HANDICAP PARKING, YOU ONLY NEED ONE SPOT FOR EVERY 25 PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT WE, WE DO HAVE THAT ONE SPOT THERE, CORRECT? ONE FOR FIVE.
YOU GOT 14 SPACES, RIGHT? SHE'S AT ONE FOR EVERY 25, DENNIS.
THE, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WERE ASKED TO DO, DID YOU TALK TO ROGER TO FIND OUT IF THE COFFEE SHOP IS ALLOWED, UH, IN THAT DISTRICT? I DID.
DENNIS, I'VE TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND YES, THEY'RE BOTH, UM, PERMITTED USE.
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OKAY.AND THE, AND THE LAST THING IN OUR LAST MEETING, UH, YOU WERE GONNA TRY TO GIVE US CONNECTIONS FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ONE.
WHEN YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL AT SIX 30, I'M ON THIS.
I NEED A MINUTE TO RIP THIS OUT TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF.
WELL, WE HAVE THE, THE MAP, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS.
LIKE WE DON'T KNOW THE SPACING INSIDE THERE.
SO WE WE HAVE THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS OF THE WHOLE SPACE.
WE DON'T NEED THOSE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS FOR WHAT WE WERE DOING.
UM, I THINK WE JUST ASKED THEM FOR THE LAYOUT TO SEE KIND OF WHERE, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN THERE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
'CAUSE USUALLY WE DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT WITH THE INSIDE.
UM, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT ROGER ADVISED US ABOUT THE SITUATION AS WELL.
WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS YOU GOTTA HAVE A, A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED AS AN APARTMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY OUTTA THE BUILDING IN CASE OF A FIRE.
THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE WAYS OUT OF THE BUILDING GET LOUDER.
THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OUT OF THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, OUT OF THE UPSTAIRS, OUT OF THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT THE COFFEE HOUSE WOULD BE.
UH, HOW ABOUT THE UPSTAIRS THOUGH? THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE, RIGHT? NO, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRIVATE SUITES.
THE BUILDING POWER UPSTAIRS, BILL.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE MOST PEOPLE WILL BE AT ONE TIME.
IT'S A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUE.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE UPSTAIRS IS PRIVATE SUITES, SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IN THE DOWNSTAIRS, DENNIS MM-HMM
THAT'S SO, AND, AND THAT'S, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE LIKE A, A DRAWING OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WAS SENT TO US WHERE THERE'S A STAIR.
THE UPSTAIRS, THERE'S A STAIRCASE IN THE MIDDLE AND THREE PRIVATE OFFICES.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TOTAL PARKING SPOTS? I'M SORRY.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TONIGHT BECAUSE WE GOT THE EMAIL A LITTLE BIT LATE.
UM, THERE'S A DRAWING THAT THEY DID.
WELL, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SAID THERE'S 14 PARKING SPACES, BUT I'M ONLY COUNTING 13 ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK NEXT TO, UM, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS A THREE IN THE CIRCLE.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT WHERE OUR PROPERTY LINE ENDS.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM OUR ATTORNEY THAT STATES THAT WE HAVE THIS LAND GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO WE HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO THAT SPOT.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THREE SPACES UP AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THERE.
OUR ATTORNEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YEAH, I, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO JENNIFER ABOUT THAT, BUT I HAVE THE PAPERWORK.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM HIM SAYING THAT SHE OBJECTED TO THAT.
UM, THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR FROM THE PROPERTY? PROPERTY? WE GOT, UH, WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER STATING THAT HE DOES NOT WANT THEM TO USE IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A PIECE THAT'S, WE'RE UNAWARE OF THAT.
WE HAD, HE JUST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
WHAT I, WHAT I WAS ROGER BROUGHT THAT UP TOO WITH, WITH THE GUY NEXT DOOR.
UM, AND WHAT I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IS IF THE PARKING JUST SHOWED WHAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY, YOU DEFINITELY OWN, SO THAT'S 13 SPACES.
UM, OUR ATTORNEY MADE IT LOOK LIKE 14 IS ALL WELL, WELL, NO, OUR, THE FRANK WELL, NO, I KNOW, BUT THE ATTORNEY SAID THAT THE PROPERTY WAS GRANDFATHERED INTO OUR YEAH, SURE.
DO YOU WANNA GIVE THAT STUFF? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT LEGAL THINGS THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT TRUE OR MIGHT MAKE IT NOT TRUE.
AND I'D PREFER IF WE AS THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO YOU GUYS CAN FIGHT OVER THAT.
THAT'S, AND WHAT WE WANNA LOOK AT IS JUST WHAT'S ON YOU AND TODD.
AND FOR TODAY, WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR OUR PROPERTY, AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHY WE WANTED THOSE LETTERS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? SO TALKING TO BILL BARRETT, HE'S WILLING TO GIVE US UP TO FOUR SPOTS IF AND WHEN NEEDED.
UM, WE DIDN'T PUT THE NUMBER ON THERE, BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO ALLOW US, DEPENDING ON THE SEASON OF THE YEAR, HOW MANY SPOTS WE NEEDED.
THEY HAVE AT LEAST A DOZEN THAT WE COULD USE.
SO WE KNEW COMING TO THIS MEETING THAT THAT WOULD BE A POWERFUL TOOL FOR US.
SO I WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO, UH, TO ACCUMULATE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
KEEP IN MIND PLANNING BOARD, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT.
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WE DID JUST RECEIVE, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION EITHER.UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE GONNA ASK YOU IS WHETHER YOU WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO SEND THIS TO THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE WHO HASN'T MET IN A LITTLE WHILE.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE TO GET YOU TO FILL OUT THE WATERFRONT FORM AND MEET WITH THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, I THINK WE NEED SARAH, ANOTHER ONE.
BUT WE PROBABLY NEED SOME INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO SEND THE, THE SITE PLAN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND IS THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANT INPUT ON? THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT, THIS IS ONE WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
UM, IT COULD GET INPUT FROM THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ON PARKING.
LET'S, THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH A LOT OF THE SMALL LOTS ALONG THE LAKE FRONT.
WE'VE BATTLE WITH IT OVER THE YEARS.
IF YOU WENT BY THE CODE, YOU'D HAVE NO PARKING BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE, THE PARKING HAS TO BE 35 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD.
YOU'D BE ALMOST UP TO THE HOUSE AND THERE'D BE NO PARKING ANYWHERE THERE.
IT'S, I FEEL LIKE IN THIS DAY AND AGE AND IN THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT'S BEEN GRANDFATHERED AND WHAT HASN'T AND WHAT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE AND HAVEN'T THAT ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THE SALON IS EXISTING.
THE COWORKING SPACES, AN OFFICE IS EXISTING.
REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S NEW IS THE CAFE, WHICH IS NOT NEW TO AND WE'RE USED ANY OF US.
THE EXISTING SPACE, IT'S NOT NEW.
UM, SO I'M HOPING, AND WE ARE ALL HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE FROM THE WORK WE'VE DONE THAT, THAT OUR NEIGHBORS WANT US TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR BEST.
WITHIN THE CODES OF THE TOWN, WE CANNOT IGNORE THE CODES.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN, SOME OF THE PARKING IS EXISTING PARKING, SO IT'S GRANDFATHERED.
I I REALLY, WE DON'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE PARKING WITHIN 10 FEET RIGHT AT THE FRONT THERE.
YOU KNOW THAT THOSE FIRST TWO SPACES, YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE.
THEY'RE NOT SHOWN AS, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PULL OUT INTO THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC THERE, YOU HAVE FEEL LEAST 10 FEET IN.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A STRAIGHTFORWARD BUSINESS THAT WE CAN SAY, OH, IT NEEDS THIS MANY 20 PARKING SPACES OR 10 OR 15.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE USED TO DEALING WITH.
I THINK I'D LIKE TRAFFIC SAFETY TO LOOK AT THEIR, THEIR PARKING PLAN.
UM, I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE AN OPINION ON IT.
UM, THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO SHO IT ALL REQUIRES THOSE TWO.
SO, AND I THINK ANOTHER THING I THINK WE REALLY NEED RIGHT NOW IS PUBLIC INPUT.
SO I THINK A PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD BE, BE SCHEDULED.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD WORK REALLY WELL FOR US.
WE WOULD LOVE THAT IN THERE SAYING WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS.
SO MY IDEA WOULD BE TO ASK TO REFER TO THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE, ASK TRAFFIC SAFETY TO GIVE ANY INPUT THEY HAVE, AND SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 5TH.
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT THAT? WE THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR A, UM, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE ANY CONCERN.
WE HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAVE TOO.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE USES IN THE BUILDING.
I'M, I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDING.
TYPICALLY THEY WANT FULL ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDING.
RIGHT NOW, I GUESS THEY WOULD USE THAT NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO GET TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU GET BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE, OR YOU CAN GO TO THE BIG PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR AND JUST GO AROUND.
I MEAN, NO, I BELIEVE THERE IS ACCESS AROUND THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND I BELIEVE WE OWN THE HA WITH LIKE A SMALL STRIP TO THE RIGHT OF OUR BUILDING AS WELL.
YOU COULDN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK THROUGH THAT.
I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY MENTION ABOUT PARKING THAT YOU HAVE A VERBAL PERMISSION TO PARK AT THE HOUSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'VE GOT WRITTEN PERMISSION.
WE HAVE A LETTER WRITTEN PERMISSION.
IS THERE ANY WALK, IS THERE ANY CROSSWALKS OR ANYTHING GOING ACROSS NEAR WHERE YOUR BUILDING IS? I GOT THIS.
IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE DISCUSSION OPEN WITH EDU KIDS WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING THEIR SPACE, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET AND THERE IS A STOPLIGHT AND A CROSSWALK.
SO WHEN THAT RELATIONSHIP DOES HAPPEN, UM, IT WILL ONLY HELP US.
SO
AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE PUBLIC HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY IN BETWEEN THE PUBLIC HOUSE AND OURS.
SO YOU WOULD JUST BE, YOU JUST WALK, ASK RIGHT THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS.
IS APPEAR, BE ANY TRUCK DELIVERIES PAID ON DAYS OF THE WEEK THEY MAKE THEM? UH, SO OUR
SO OUR PLAN WITH THAT IS, UM, WE HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR IN SPRINGVILLE, SO WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF OUR DELIVERIES GO THERE AND I WOULD GO ON OFF HOURS TO TRANSFER ANY DELIVERIES
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IN MY OWN VEHICLE.WITH OUR OWN COMPANY VEHICLE TO, WITH OUR OWN COMPANY VEHICLE TO UM, TO THIS LOCATION.
AND YOU PROBABLY PUT A SMALL SIGN UP, NO TRUCKS.
DON'T WANT TRUCKS, BUT LIKE THAT'S THE ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT THE USE YOU'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S NOT A BIG GENERATOR OF TRUCKS PRICE.
YEAH, THE COFFEE HOUSE PROPERTY SMALL.
IF, IF I'M BEING FRANK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
A LOT OF, ESPECIALLY IN THE DAY AND AGE WE'RE IN NOW, OTHER THAN THE COFFEE SHOP COWORKING IS MOVING TO THIS HUGE VIRTUAL PLATFORM.
SO I WAS, I WAS JUST AT, UH, MORE THAN TWO WEEKS AGO,
I WAS HERE LOOKING AT OTHER COWORKING SPACES.
THEY'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE CAPACITY THEY WERE.
AND THEY'RE OPERATING EITHER AT AS GOOD OR BETTER CAPACITIES THAN THEY WERE WORKING AT PRE COVID.
AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO, IT'S BECAUSE THEY OPENED THIS WHOLE THING.
I THINK FOR EVERYONE OPENED THIS WHOLE WORLD OF UNKNOWN AND WE REALIZE WHAT WE COULD DO WHEN OUR BACKS WERE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
SO YES, WE'LL HAVE THIS SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, BELIEVE IN MY LAST MEETING, I USED A STATISTIC THAT WAS FAIRLY LARGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE.
UM, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW TOO, IS THAT WHEN WE REACH A CERTAIN LIMIT AND WE FEEL THAT WE'RE GONNA OUTGROW THE SPACE, WE ARE MORE THAN EXCITED TO OPEN ANOTHER LOCATION, WHETHER IT BE WITHIN OUR TOWN, IN ANOTHER TOWN, WE HIT A CERTAIN LIMIT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR PATRONS, OUR CLIENTS SHOVE INTO ONE SPACE.
WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT GUYS, LET'S DO THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
LET'S BUILD A MICRO COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WE HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE SPOTS OF MICRO COMMUNITIES, WHICH I COULD GO ON FOREVER, BUT THAT'S WHERE REALLY MOVING FORWARD IN THIS WORLD IS KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.
AND THEN THOSE COMMUNITIES WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
SO, AND TO JUST SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY IN BUFFALO.
DO YOU NEED ANY SPECIAL, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOMETHING FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR THE COFFEE SHOP, RIGHT? YES.
WE HAVE THREE WEEKS BETWEEN NOW AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE CAN CO WE HAVE RESPONSES FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY EVEN BY THEN, MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN THE NEXT TIME THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE'S GONNA MEET, SO FIND OUT.
I HAVEN'T MET IN A WHILE, SO MAYBE THEY, WELL, WE HAVEN'T MET SINCE, UH, THE COVID STUFF IN THAT COMMITTEE.
SO, SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO PUT TOGETHER ZOOM, LET THE APPLICANTS KNOW WHEN THAT MEETING IS, IF YOU WANT ATTEND THAT MEETING.
JUST LIKE LAST TIME, I THINK FOR US IT IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS WORK? AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE PROVEN THAT WE'LL DO IT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DO THIS FOR HAMBURG.
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE CALLING ME AND TEXTING ME EVERY DAY.
WHEN ARE YOU OPEN? CAN I SEE YOUR SPACE? I'M LIKE, I'M NOT READY YET.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I WOULD GUESS THE, THE BEST DAY, JUST SO YOU CAN PLAN IS SURE.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 6TH.
WE'LL GET INPUT FROM ALL THE COMMITTEES IN CASE WE DON'T, I WOULD SAY PLAN ON THE FACT THAT MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON AUGUST 20TH.
'CAUSE I'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE I GET, WE GET ALL THE INPUT FROM, I GOTTA GET THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CASE.
WE'LL TRY TO GET ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND THAT INPUT AND, AND GET AND LET THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS REVIEW THAT INFORMATION.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALL SET WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK BECAUSE CAMMY HAVE ANY, ANY, UH, SHE HAS NO CONCERNS AT ALL.
BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING OR ANYTHING.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SOME INFO FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD OR AT LEAST THE TRAFFIC ADVISOR.
BILL, ANYTHING ELSE THAT, NO, I THINK I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THE FOUR.
WHAT'S THE COFFEE SHOP CALLED AGAIN? 49 COFFEE HOUSE.
LIKE THAT'S EASIER THAN SAYING ALL THE NAMES.
WE, IT CAME UP WITH A LITTLE NICKNAME, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON COCOA 49 FOR AUGUST 5TH.
SO, SO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL TRY AND GET THAT INPUT AND WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND SPEAK ON THE FIFTH.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE DONE MORE LIKE THE LAST ONE WE DID THAN THIS ONE BECAUSE
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I, I GUESS THE GOVERNOR THAT EX EXTENDED THE PUBLIC MEETING, UH, TO AUGUST 5TH, THE, THE, THE REGULATION THAT ALLOWED US TO DO THEM VIRTUALLY.I WOULD JUST, UH, REMIND FOLKS IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS, THEY CAN FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT THEM IN WRITING OR VIA EMAIL TO SARAH.
INFORMATION OR WEBSITE SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RICH COMMENTS ARE TREATED, PEOPLE WILL WAIT TO ANYTHING MAKE DURING THE HEARING.
AND WHEN WE DID THE VIRTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE KEPT THEM OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
SO IF SOMEBODY WATCHED IT ONLINE AND THEN WANTED TO SUBMIT A COMMENT TWO OR THREE DAYS LATER, THAT'S STILL AN OPTION.
UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE, I GUESS JUST ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD WORK ON IN THE MEANTIME, OR IS EVERYTHING ELSE, DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO WORK, YOU'VE GIVEN US EVERYTHING WE ASKED FOR LAST TIME.
UM, JUST A COPY OF YOUR PRESENTATION FROM THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO, SO WHEN, ONCE PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT EMAIL THAT CAME IN AT SIX 30, IF THEY DO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN UH, FORWARD THEM TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY CAN ADDRESS THEM BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
COUNCILWOMAN BELL SAYS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD IS GONNA BE AFTER EIGHT FIVE, SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET HER INPUT REQUIRED TO THE EIGHT 20.
UH, DO YOU NEED THIS COPY OF THE EMAIL THAT NO, I, I HAVE IT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JAMES CLEARY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CREATE A WEDDING EVENT CENTER AT 6 6 5 3 TAYLOR ROAD.
UM, WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING LEFT CHRIS TOOK AROUND.
CASE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM HIM.
SO THAT'S THE WEDDING EVENT CENTER.
UM, I MEAN I DO, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS DID GET THE EMAIL FROM THE RACKETBALL, UH, TENNIS.
THE TENNIS, UH, WHAT WERE THEY CALLED? HAMBURG RACKET CENTER.
SO, UM, YEAH, OUR ATTORNEY JENNIFER AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THEIR ISSUES HAVE TO DO WITH THE LEASE THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE CURRENT LANDOWNER AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN WEIGH IN ON.
UM, IT'S A PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES IN THE TOWN AND REALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING IN ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES WITH THAT OR ARE WE OKAY TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE ZBA SARAH GRANTED A USE VARIANCE WITH NO CONDITIONS ATTACHED.
SO IT WAS A USE VARIANCE WITH NO CONDITIONS.
SO AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME.
SO DON'T YOU THINK BOTH ATTORNEYS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE CASE? WELL, I THINK THE ATTORNEY FOR THE HAMBURG RACKET CLUB AND THE ATTORNEY FOR JAMES CLEARY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE LEASE AND I'M SURE THEY ARE.
UM, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT OUR ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IF, I MEAN, AND HERE'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LET'S SAY WE DID AGREE WITH ONE OF THOSE THINGS OR DISAGREE WITH ONE AND WE TRIED TO PUT IT INTO THE SITE PLAN AND THEN THOSE TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES GO TO COURT.
WELL IF WE WEIGHED IN ON IT, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BRING US TO COURT TOO.
AND NOW THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S PART OF A COURT HEARING THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO BUSINESS TO BE PART OF.
SO THAT'S PART OF MY APPREHENSION OF WANTING TO EVEN GET INVOLVED WITH THAT.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THERE IS DEALT WITH A LEASE THAT THEY SIGNED, UH, WITH THE ON OF THE PROPERTY GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
AND, AND, AND GENERALLY, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LEASE AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN IT.
I MEAN, A LEASE IS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN PROVISIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT.
THAT SHOULD BE THE WAY ANYBODY GOES IF THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE LEASE.
WELL, WELL, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THEIR LEASE, IF THEY HAD SOME KIND OF PARKING STIPULATION, HE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I MEAN, IT'D BE OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING OVERALL.
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AND I THINK WE, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BECAUSE JIM SAID HE IS PUTTING PARKING IN THERE.THAT OBVIOUSLY IS FOR HIS EVENT.
SO THAT LEASE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT LEASE.
SO IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO LETTING THE LAWYERS TALK ABOUT.
SO I MEAN, WE'D LOOK AT THE PARKING OVERALL AND MAKE SURE IT'S A SAFE SITUATION AND HOPEFULLY THE LEASE COMPLIES WITH THAT.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING WITH A LEASE LIKE THAT, THOSE PARTIES COULD CHANGE IT.
SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TAILOR OUR SITE PLAN TO SOMETHING THAT TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES COULD CHANGE BY NEGOTIATING IT EITHER.
I MEAN, WE, WE'D WANT IT TO BE, WE WANT OUR SITE PLAN TO BE WHAT WE THINK THE PROPERTY SHOULD LOOK LIKE, NOT CONSIDERING THAT LEASE.
SO WE SAY THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS THE SAFEST, THIS IS WHAT OUR SITE PLAN'S GONNA BE.
AND, AND A A LEASE IS GONNA BE BEYOND WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, SO THE ONE THING I'M WONDERING IF PERHAPS WE WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COMMENT ON IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A WALKWAY THAT'S NO LONGER GONNA BE THERE 'CAUSE IT'S THE BOUNDARIES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S STILL ACCESS BEING MAINTAINED THROUGH, IF THERE IS GONNA BE A NEW WALKWAY AND IF THERE IS A WALKWAY OR A CHANGE, THEN WE WOULD WANNA SEE THAT ON SITE PLAN.
SO THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE WE CAN DO WITH UNDER SITE PLAN.
IT SHOULD PROPER, PROPER MOVEMENT WITHIN THE FACILITY.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULDN'T APPROVE A SITE PLAN WHERE THEY, THEY BLOCKED THAT TYPE OF MOVEMENT.
BECAUSE YEAH, THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
UM, IS THERE, MR. WOOD, IS THERE, IS THERE STILL A WALKWAY OR IS THAT GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY OR? WELL, WE'LL WE WILL BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT, WE'LL WE WILL REVIEW THE LEASE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE FOR, FOR THE TENNIS FACILITY FROM, FROM OUR PARKING LOT, I'M ASSUMING RIGHT.
AND IF THE SIDEWALKS REQUIRED TO THE FRONT DOOR, WE'LL PROVIDE A SIDEWALK.
AND THERE THERE'LL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT GOES FROM THE MOVED PARKING LOT TO THE TENNIS FACILITY.
BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ACCESS TO THE TENNIS FACILITY.
SARAH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
CAN YOU PROVIDE CHRIS WITH THAT? THAT, THAT, THAT EMAIL MM-HMM
HE WAS PROVIDING THE PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO JIM HAS A COPY, I THINK CLEARED.
BUT IF IT'S RELATED TO THE, THE SITE WORKING, THEN IT IS ISSUED RIGHT? IF IT RELEASE ISSUE, IT'S NOT, YEAH.
IF WE CAN ADDRESS THINGS THAT, THAT RELATES TO THE SITE WORKING, BUT NOT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED IN A LEASE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT ACCESS TO A BUILDING.
I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T BUILD SOMETHING WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JAMES CLEARY FOR AUGUST 5TH.
SECOND BY MR. MOTION, BY MR. CLARK.
THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
UM, WE DO HAVE MOTION FROM THE JULY PERSON.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK.
CAN YOU, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 1ST MEETING.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING.
MOTION TO ADJOURN BY MR. SHAW.