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          SO LET US KNOW WHEN IT STARTED, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA STAND UP AGAIN AND HAVE THE PICTURE ON FACEBOOK BE MY STOMACH WIDE ENOUGH. 
          YEAH, IT WASN'T YOU ARE LIVE. 
          WE'RE LIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. 
          EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, JUSTICE FRAUD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BEFORE YOU START, SARAH, UH, MIKE STA IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE THIRD ITEM AND HE DOES NOT HAVE A WEBEX LINK TO PARTICIPATE. 
          ALRIGHT, SURE. 
          WE CAN FIX THAT BEFORE I'LL WORK ON THAT. 
          IT'S HIS TURN. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ACTUALLY, I CAN'T BECAUSE IF , UH, UM, I'M RECORDING ON MY IPHONE. 
          IT'S MY ONLY RECORDING OF THE MEETING AND I CAN'T SARAH. 
          SARAH, IT'S MARIE. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO FORWARD THAT TO MIKE RIGHT NOW? YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK I HAVE HIS EMAIL, BUT JUST LET ME, MICHAEL , DO YOU KNOW HIS EMAIL OFFHAND? 'CAUSE I CAN SEND IT TO HIM WHILE YOU ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, HOLD ON. 
          JUST DON'T, DON'T, DON'T CONTINUE THE MEETING FOR A SECOND. 
          THAT WAY I CAN GET YOU THAT, THEN I CAN OKAY. 
          OH, SO WE'RE GONNA PAUSE THE MEETING. 
          IT'S NOT RECORDED. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST SO I CAN GET HIM ON, UH, I CAN FORWARD IT TO MIKE, HOPEFULLY. 
          I THINK CHRIS, CHRIS WILL, OH NO, CHRIS, WHAT ISN'T HERE. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST FORWARD IT TO MIKE AGAIN. 
          IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, BEFORE WE START THE MEETING, THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PROJECTS TODAY WHERE THERE'S ISSUE IS WITH SURVEYS, AND THAT'S, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN. 
          ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT THIS WEEK WAS, UH, IS PRICING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS WILLING TO RULE ON THIS PROJECT USING PLANS THAT HAVE PROPERTY LINES OTHER THAN THOSE THAT ARE ON FILE WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          AS FAR AS ISSUES WITH SURVEY DISPUTES GO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WEIGH IN ON WHO OWNS WHAT PIECE OF THE DISPUTED AREA, BUT, AND THAT COMMENT SAID IT WOULD BE SURPRISING IF WE WERE GONNA APPROVE A PROJECT THAT ALLOWED SOMEBODY TO MAKE A CHANGE TO A DISPUTED AREA. 
          WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY ONE PERSON OWNS SOMETHING AND ANOTHER PERSON DOESN'T, UM, AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANTS AT EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS ADDRESS HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT, BUT WE, WE WOULDN'T ACCRUE SOMETHING ON LAND THAT MIGHT NOT BELONG TO . 
          THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS, WE'VE GOT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY. 
          UM, HOW WE'RE DOING THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHILE WE'RE DOING THE REMOTE MEETINGS IS THE, THE MEETINGS ARE GONNA, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE GONNA STAY OPEN UNTIL OUR NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          SO THAT MEANS WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          THE, UH, COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO OF FACEBOOK, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT ARE ON THAT VIDEO THROUGHOUT THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          YOU CAN ALSO EMAIL COMMENTS TO SARAH AT THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          YOU CAN SEND THEM BY REGULAR MAIL TO US. 
          YOU CAN, UH, MAKE PHONE CALLS. 
          WE, WE PREFER IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE PHONE CALL BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T GET YOUR COMMENTS WORD, BUT WHOEVER TAKES THE MESSAGE WOULD RELAY TO US. 
          UM, ANYONE WHO'S ATTENDED OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE PAST KNOWS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARINGS IS FOR US TO RECEIVE INPUT. 
          THERE ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH EVEN WHEN WE WERE HAVING IN-PERSON MEETINGS. 
          SO, UM, ON SOME PROJECTS, THE APPLICANTS HAVE OFFERED TO HAVE INFORMATION 
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SESSIONS. 
          THEY CAN BE BACK AND FORTH WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T ATTEND AND THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED. 
          UM, AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD AT RESOLVING ISSUES THAT NEED A BACK AND FORTH. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S HOW WE GENERALLY ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING. 
          THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COCO 49. 
          AND BILL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS JIM CLEARY. 
          I'M ISSUES. 
          AND WAIT, MR. MR. CLEARY? YES. 
          YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE COCO FOUR NINE, WHICH IS REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF, IN ADDITION OF A COFFEE SHOP AND A COWORKING SPACE 4 9 0 0 LAKE SHORE ROAD. 
          DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT? YES, I'M MARIE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY UPDATES YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US? UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHARED EVERYTHING, UH, THAT WAS ASKED OF US THE LAST MEETING. 
          UH, CAN I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? MR. CLEARY, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC AGAIN? SURE. 
          UH, SO I'M WRESTLING WITH THE, UH, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE PARKING. 
          AND IT, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS IN ABOUT PARKING. 
          AND COULD YOU JUST REMIND US, UH, SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY SPACES ARE LOCATED IN YOUR PARKING LOT, WHETHER OR NOT THAT NUMBER IS CHANGING BASED ON SOME OF THE, THE NOTICES WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT FENCES GOING UP. 
          AND THEN REMIND US SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE IN OTHER LOTS THAT YOU HAVE APPROVAL FOR FROM OTHER FOLKS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, LINDSEY, ARE YOU HERE? YEAH, I'M HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU MIND FILLING THIS ONE? UM, AS FAR AS THE SPOTS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WELL, I CAN TALK TO THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE OTHERS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PARKING LOT SHOWS 14 PARKING SPACES ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS THE LEASE AGREEMENTS WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSE AND THE AIRBNB, I THINK MARIE KNOWS THAT ANSWER BETTER. 
          YES. 
          UH, PUBLIC HOUSE IS WILLING TO, AT, AT WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MODERATE OR WHAT WORKS FOR BOTH OF US. 
          UH, THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE SPACE WITH US THAT WORKS FOR THEM. 
          AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, GOLDEN HIRE AKA BILL BARRETT AT THE AIRBNB NEXT TO US IS WILLING TO ALLOCATE UP TO FOUR SPOTS FOR US ALL FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OF THOSE 14 SPOTS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR LOT, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THEM. 
          ONE THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT IS POTENTIALLY NOT FULLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY? YOU'RE SO THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT INCLUDING THE SPOTS THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE ADDED THOSE SPOTS, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO THAT, UH, DIFFERENT WAY, IF WE DO GO ABOUT THAT, UM, WE, WE STILL HAVE 14 SPOTS WITHOUT THAT SPOT, UH, WITHOUT THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, ONE OF THE NOTES FROM THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION MADE A COMMENT ABOUT FOLKS IN THE COFFEE SHOP HAVING THE OPTION TO PARK IN THE GARAGE. 
          IS THE GARAGE ACCESS OBSTRUCTED BY THE PARKING SPACES OR IS THAT ACCESS TO THE GARAGE SPACES AVAILABLE? WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE'S PARKED IN THOSE SPACES? IT WOULD JUST, IF WE HAD ANYONE PARK IN THE GARAGE, IT WOULD BE AN EMPLOYEE WHO WOULD BE THERE ALL DAY. 
          AND THERE ARE NO PARKING SPACES DRAWN IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE OPENING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE INTO THE COUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOPE. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S EXTRA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, HOW MANY GARAGE SPACES? UH, THERE'S TWO, FOUR DOORS. 
          FIVE, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE TECHNICALLY. 
          OH, WITH THE OTHER, YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A THREE CAR GARAGE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S THREE GARAGE SPACES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU HAVE THREE GARAGE SPACES PLUS 14 SPACES 
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IN THE LOT. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          NOT INCLUDING THE ONES THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THE ONES THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, THAT'S ON THE AREA THAT'S, THAT'S DISPUTED. 
          SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE, WE WOULD SURE, OF COURSE WE DON'T HOW THAT AN END, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA WEIGH IN IT. 
          WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND RIGHT. 
          NOT CONSIDER ABSOLUTELY. 
          CLARIFY THAT WHY WE YEP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          JUST A CLARIFICATION, BILL. 
          THIS IS DREW. 
          I DON'T THINK THOSE AREAS ARE DISPUTED. 
          THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT DISPUTED. 
          THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DISPUTING THOSE. 
          IT'S JUST WHETHER THEY COULD USE 'EM OR NOT. 
          AND THE NEIGHBOR SAYS NO, THEY CAN'T USE THEM AND HE IS ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR A FENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT USED. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S NOT A DISPUTED. 
          WE WILL ALSO NEED, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AFTER TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE, AS BILL SAYS, WE'RE LEAVING THIS OPEN, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE US IN WRITING THE ACTUAL NUMBERS. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE NUMBERS. 
          SO FOR THE PUBLIC HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A NUMBER AND GIVE US AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS YOU CAN USE UP TO THIS MANY PARKING SPACES. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TO COUNT AND SAY, BASED UPON THESE TWO USES, THIS IS ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THAT FACILITY. 
          SO IF YOU CAN JUST UPDATE US THAT IN WRITING, I KNOW YOU HAVE IN THE PAST UPDATE US IN WRITING THAT THESE ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN. 
          THIS IS HOW MANY, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH AGREEMENTS. 
          AND WE HAVE TO SEE THOSE AGREEMENTS FOR X AMOUNT OF PARKING SPOTS ON OFFSITE, UH, LOTS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO FIND, FIND THEM. 
          WE SENT THOSE LETTERS IN. 
          YEAH, WE SENT THOSE IN. 
          WE CAN SEND THEM IN AGAIN. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WE'VE GOT THE LETTERS FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF SPOTS FOR THE PUBLIC HOUSE. 
          I THINK IT SAYS, I THINK IT'S A GENERAL ALLOWING YOU TO USE THEIR PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A NUMBER SO WE CAN, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DETERMINE, AND IT WILL BE PART OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IS DEDICATED TO THESE TWO USES. 
          UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN THE CODE, I GUESS, UM, AS A QUESTION TO BE SPECIFIC WITH YOU ALL, SO, AND I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION AS WELL. 
          UM, THE SALON AND THE, THE OFFICE SPACE THERE IS IS EXISTING. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY FIGHTING FOR HERE IS FOR THE, THE ADDITION OF THE COFFEE SHOP, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PARKING TO BE ABLE TO FILL ALL THE USES IN THE BUILDING. 
          ALL THE USES. 
          ALL THE USES. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          PLAN, I THINK IT WAS PROVIDED ON JULY 13TH. 
          UM, I, SO THERE'S AN EXISTING FRAME GARAGE THAT'S CLEANED ON THERE, BUT IT HAS TWO PARKING SPACES SHOWN IN FRONT OF IT. 
          AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S A DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THAT GARAGE AND THE BUILDING. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF PEOPLE ARE PARKED IN THOSE TWO SPOTS, IS THAT THE SAME GARAGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING PEOPLE PARKING IN? OR IS THERE A SEPARATE GARAGE NOT LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OUTBUILDING THAT IS TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING? UH, IF YOU WERE FACING IT FROM LAKE SHORE ROAD, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE SPACES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE OLD RESIDENTIAL SPACE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO REV REVISE? RIGHT. 
          THERE'S THREE SPOTS IN THERE OF, RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S THREE SPOTS THERE. 
          AND THEN ONE OF THEM, WE CAN'T, I THINK, OFFICIALLY COUNT BECAUSE IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OTHER PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND THEN I, I GUESS COULD YOU LABEL, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THAT GARAGE IS AND THAT THERE'S EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THERE, UM, AND THEN SHOW THAT ACCESS ROUTE IN THERE? IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE SITE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BILL, I, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ONE, WE WERE N WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF TEMPORARY OFFICES THAT ARE GONNA BE AT THE LOCATION AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE OFFICES. 
          AT ONE TIME, WE, WE DID GET THE DRAWING OF HOW THE OFFICES WOULD BE LAID OUT. 
          THAT CAME IN LATE LAST WEEK RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN RENT? RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE OFFICE, MORE THAN ONE PERSON'S GONNA RENT EACH ONE OF THOSE OFFICES. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA BE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN AN OFFICE AT ONE TIME AND WHAT'S THE CUMULATIVE, UH, NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AFTER THAT, MARIE, THAT WOULD BE, I'M SORRY, CAN WE SAY THAT AGAIN? OH, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU, YOU GO. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE THESE TEMPORARY 
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OFFICES, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THERE AT ONE TIME? UH, USING ALL THE OFFICES. 
          SO OUR OFFICES AREN'T TEMPORARY. 
          WE HAVE THREE PERMANENT OFFICES, WHICH WOULD OCCUPY THREE PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OPEN COWORKING SPACES AS WELL AS RENTABLE CONFERENCE ROOMS. BUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE DON'T SEE MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THAT SPACE. 
          THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE AND THE WAY THAT A COWORKING SPACE OPERATES IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS VERY FLEXIBLE AND PEOPLE AREN'T ALL IN THE SPACE AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REASON I, I CALLED THEM TEMPORARY. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS A LETTER FROM SEAN DOYLE WHO REFERRED TO THEM AS TEMPORARY. 
          SO I, I DID SEE WHAT HE RAN, HE SENT OVER, HE MENTIONED THAT TO ME. 
          HE ACTUALLY READ THE EMAIL. 
          UM, TEMPORARY ISN'T THE CORRECT WORDING, BUT OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT SEAN SAID WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY TO US. 
          SO NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT PARKING SPACES AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MAKE YOU DON'T GIVE AN OVERFLOW OF PEOPLE IN THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU LOSE THE PARKING SPACES AND IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. 
          SO I, I, I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, AND YOU STILL HAVE AN ANSWER THAT AS TO AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IN THERE? SIX, MAYBE 10, MAYBE AT A MAX. 
          BUT AT THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE, AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN BEING IN THE FREELANCE AND THE COWORKING SPACE INDUSTRY, THERE'S USUALLY NO MORE THAN A DOZEN PEOPLE IN ANY COWORKING SPACE. 
          WITH OUR SPACE BEING AS SMALL AS IT IS, I REALLY DON'T SEE US BEING ANY MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          AND THEN IF WE WERE TO REACH THAT CAPACITY AT ANY TIME, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE IN LOOKING AT OPENING OTHER LOCATIONS, WHETHER IT BE WITHIN HAMBURG OR OTHER SUBURBS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          I'M ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS LOCATION, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU WON'T HAVE ANY MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE IN THOSE OFFICES AT ONE TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WE CAN YEP. 
          USE WHEN WE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? OF COURSE, AND I WOULD HONESTLY THINK OF IT BEING LESS, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE TIMES, BUT I MEAN, EVEN AT MAX CAPACITY, IT WOULD STILL BE LESS THAN THAT. 
          JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERY, YOU KNOW, ANYONE THAT HAS ACCESS TO , WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN, WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT. 
          UM, WHEN I MENTIONED BEFORE USING THE SOFTWARE WITH GRIT SEED, THE STARTUP IN BUFFALO, WE KNOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO RESERVE TIME AND NOT TRYING TO RESERVE TIME. 
          AND THAT IF THEY WERE AT MAX CAPACITY, THEN WE WOULD JUST LET THEM KNOW, HEY, WE'RE AT MAX CAPACITY, YOU WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO RESERVE OUR SPACE AT X TIME. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO SEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE ADDITIONAL MEASURES AND BEEN, I'VE BEEN, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY CREATIVE JUST CREATING WAYS AND KNOWING WHO'S COMING IN WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BOARD IS ASKING. 
          SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          HA, HAS ANYONE HERE ON THE BOARD EVER BEEN TO A COWORKING SPACE BEFORE? NOPE. 
          NOT. 
          I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          NO. 
          YEAH, IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL IF, IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW THEY OPERATE. 
          AND MY MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU TALK ABOUT VARIOUS MEMBERSHIPS, FORMS OF MEMBERSHIP FOR THE CO-OP. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE THE MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? I AM SORRY, IT WAS BREAKING UP AGAIN. 
          I CAN HEAR MUSIC OR SOMETHING IN THE BACKGROUND QUESTION WAS, I'M SORRY. 
          THE DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIP, UH, HOW DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS WORK, RIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THE THREE PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL OR PERMANENT OFFICE SPACES. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS MEMBERSHIPS, EVERYTHING IS CUSTOM CRAFTED TO THE MEMBER. 
          SO IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO WORK WITH US OR NEEDS TO HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE ACCESS, SAY THREE DAYS A WEEK, AND THEY ONLY NEED, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR MEETING TIME A MONTH, THAT'S WHAT ONE MEMBERSHIP MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          FOR ME PERSONALLY, WORKING IN COWORKING SPACES, YOU CAN PAY A MONTHLY FEE AND I, YOU KNOW, SAY I PERSONALLY HAVE ACCESS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 7, I ONLY REALLY GO THERE MAYBE FROM 10 TO 12, THREE DAYS A WEEK. 
          BEING DOING WHAT WE DO IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING IN THIS SPACE, THEY'RE VERY OPEN AND FLEXIBLE, ESPECIALLY WITH COVID. 
          PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO NECESSARILY BE IN A SPACE, BUT BEING A MEMBER TO A PLACE LIKE OURS, UM, WHETHER IT BE VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S OUR STRUGGLE HERE IS THAT YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE IMPACTING A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO PHYSICALLY BE 
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IN A SPACE, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR PANDEMIC. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO GATHER PEOPLE VIRTUALLY, UM, BUT ALSO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER IF NEED BE. 
          UM, SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ON SPACE, SO YES, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE POTENTIAL OFFICE SPACES TO RENT OUT. 
          SO YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY THREE PEOPLE. 
          BUT WHO'S TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR SMALL MEETING ROOM MAY BE RENTED TWO, THREE TIMES A MONTH FOR A COURSE, BUT THAT'S TWO, THREE TIMES A MONTH. 
          OUR OPEN COWORKING SPACE MAY HAVE TWO TO THREE PEOPLE IN IT. 
          LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I REALLY PERSONALLY DON'T SEE MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE PERMANENT TENANTS BEING IN THAT SPACE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE OF OUR ACCESSIBILITY, PEOPLE LITERALLY BEING ABLE TO GO THERE 24 7, WHETHER IT BE 4:00 AM YOU KNOW, 5:00 PM FOR A STUDENT, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, WELL THAT, THAT'S MY POINT. 
          IF WE HAVE, I THINK THAT THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 7. 
          CORRECT. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE? SOME OF THEM ARE NOT ALL OF THEM. 
          WELL, HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? I MEAN, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY FIVE. 
          WELL, AT THIS POINT I HAVE NONE. 
          I CAN'T MARKET THIS BUSINESS AT THIS POINT, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          WELL SEE, I I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, IF, IF I'M A SEVEN DAY, I'M A 24 7 MEMBER AND THERE'S FOUR OTHER 24 7 MEMBERS, WE CAN GO IN THERE ANY TIME. 
          HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR THEM? DO YOU LIMIT MEMBERSHIPS AND IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS. 
          WELL, SO YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          SO I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MEMBERSHIPS WE HAVE PER, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MEMBERSHIPS WE HAVE PER MEMBERSHIP. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MEMBERS. 
          SO IF I NOTICE MY MEMBERSHIP IS GETTING KIND OF HEAVY, THEN I LOOK AT EXPANSION AND I LOOK AT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA OVERCROWD A SPACE ONE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING, HOW HARD WE'RE WORKING TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          AND THEN TWO, IT DOESN'T BEST SERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT I'M WORKING WITH, THE COMMUNITY THAT I'M EXTRA OFFERING. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING TO OPEN THIS SMALL BOUTIQUE SPACE ESSENTIALLY TO SEE, HEY, IS HAMBURG GONNA BITE, YOU KNOW, OFFERING SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, OFFERING SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, SPRINGVILLE, YOU KNOW, WILL WE BITE HERE? AND IF IT DOES BITE HERE, THEN I KNOW IT'S GONNA BITE IN EAST AURORA. 
          I KNOW IT'S GONNA BITE DOWN IN DERBY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES HERE, BUT BECAUSE HAMBURG IS MY HOME, THAT'S WHERE I STARTED. 
          UM, AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT USING THAT APP THAT SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE? LIKE THEY KIND OF CLOCK IN? YEAH, I TALKED ABOUT, YEP. 
          I TALKED ABOUT GRIT SEEDED EARLIER. 
          GRIT SEED GIVES US FULL ACCESS AND DATA OF, HEY, I'M COMING TO THE SPACE AND IT ACTUALLY HAS ADDITIONAL COVID QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO WE, WE WILL KNOW, AND I HAVE AN ACCESSIBILITY SOFTWARE AND ACCESS SYSTEM TO THE BUILDING WITH LOCKS. 
          I KNOW WHO ENTERS THE BUILDING WHEN, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE, WHY THEY'RE THERE. 
          IT SOUNDS ALMOST VERY, UM, . 
          IT SOUNDS VERY TRACKY, BUT I CAN TRACK EVERYONE FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THEY'RE THERE. 
          AND IF I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT CAPACITY, SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I'M ON THE WAY TO THE SPACE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND BE LIKE, ACTUALLY WE'RE AT CAPACITY. 
          COULD YOU RESERVE A TIME, YOU KNOW, AT A DIFFERENT TIME? SO THERE'S EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES THAT I'VE REACHED OUT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE A 24 7 MEMBERSHIP, CAN THEY TELL YOU YOU CAN'T COME IN AT A CERTAIN TIME? I'M TRYING. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BUILT WITHIN OUR AGREEMENT. 
          WE CAN ABSOLUTELY WORK OUT. 
          I MEAN, WITH ANY OF OUR MEMBERS, I'M NOT GONNA, I I'VE SEEN THIS THAT YES, YOU OFFER THAT. 
          IT'S LIKE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYERS THAT OFFER UNLIMITED PTO. 
          THAT'S A THING NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING UNLIMITED PTO, YOU KNOW, SO THEY KNOW THEY HAVE ACCESS WHEN THEY NEED. 
          AND JUST USUALLY, LET ME BACK UP HERE. 
          USUALLY THE MEMBERS OF A COWORKING SPACE ARE VERY FAMILY ORIENTED. 
          THE PEOPLE WHO FREELANCE, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THEMSELVES, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH OTHERS LIKE THEM ARE NOT GONNA BE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INVADE ON THEIR TIME OR THEIR SPACE. 
          SO NATURALLY MY BUSINESS MODEL HAS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WORKING AROUND EACH OTHER NATURALLY, BUT IF WE ASK, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WORKS FOR OUR SPACE, NOW THEY'RE GONNA UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, I GUESS BECAUSE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING A NEWER CONCEPT, WHICH I GUESS IS, IT'S MINORLY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT EXISTING OFFICE SPACE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          THAT WAS EVERYTHING WAS ZONED AND PERFECTLY FINE FOR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE ADDITION OF THE COFFEE SHOP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE, IT'S LIKE, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I LITERALLY, YOU GUYS, I'M LITERALLY DOING EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND CREATIVE. 
          I'M THE MOST CREATIVE PERSON TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERY OTHER STARTUP COMPANY THAT'S LOCAL TO US TO MAKE THIS WORK. 
          AND TO, TO HELP YOU 
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UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT, I KNOW CO COWORKING IS NEW, BUT IT ABSOLUTELY WORKS. 
          AND REALLY IT'S A DISSERVICE TO US IF THEY'RE ONLY OFFERING IT IN BUFFALO AND IN SPRINGVILLE AND NOT IN HAMBURG. 
          WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'VE DENIED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD THEM THAT YOU WE'RE KNOW, WE'RE NOT OPEN YET, YOU KNOW, TO AT LEAST A DOZEN CALLERS IN THE LAST MONTH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S CAN I IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE. 
          CAN A BURDEN HERE. 
          I I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU, YOU'RE FRUSTRATED AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW CONCEPT FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE FRUSTRATED. 
          AND I WANNA SAY THAT I THINK THE COWORKING SPACE IDEA IS AN EXCELLENT ONE. 
          I USED TO WORK FROM HOME, I WORKED REMOTE FULL-TIME WHEN I DID THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE LOVED A SPACE LIKE THIS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A COOL IDEA THAT IT'S BEING COMBINED WITH A COFFEE SHOP. 
          IT'S GREAT THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE USES IN THE SAME SPOT. 
          THE CONCERN I THINK, THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW THAT SPACE WORKS WITH THE FLOW OF PARKING. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY HERE. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT YOUR IDEA, HONESTLY, IT WORKS NO DIFFERENT THAN A REGULAR OFFICE SPACE. 
          I CAN YOU PLEASE, LEMME FINISH. 
          CAN YOU, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS, IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS THAT SOME OF US HAVE. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST LET SOME OF US ASK 'EM. 
          I, WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT DENNIS ASKED IS, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF YOUR MEETING ROOM? SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO RESERVE FOUR TO SIX, FOUR TO SIX PEOPLE AT MAX, ESPECIALLY WITH CO WITH COVID, IT'S HALF THAT. 
          SO MAYBE TWO TO THREE. 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO FACTOR IN HERE IS THAT I RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE WOULD CALCULATE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE COFFEE SHOP BUSINESS, A SALON, THERE'S COVID NUMBERS. 
          BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS PART OF OUR FULL ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT IS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR NOT JUST COVID SOCIAL DISTANCING CONDITIONS, BUT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THAT SALON IS GONNA BE ABLE TO OPEN BACK UP AT FULL CAPACITY. 
          AND AT SOME POINT YOU MAY HAVE THREE STYLISTS WORKING EACH WITH A CLIENT, MAYBE WITH ONE OR TWO CLIENTS COMING IN OR OVERLAPPING OR SOMEBODY GETTING A COLOR DONE AND ANOTHER CUT HAPPENING OVERLAPPING WITH THAT AT SOME POINT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR BUSINESS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA WANNA DO THAT AT SOME POINT. 
          HOPEFULLY THERE'S A THRIVING, YOU KNOW, A COFFEE SHOP OR SOME OTHER BUSINESSES THRIVING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU WAS WRITTEN SAID THAT THERE WAS EIGHT, EIGHT SEATING SPOTS. 
          SO MAYBE SAY THERE'S TWO OR THREE GROUPS THAT COME IN AND ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT GETTING COFFEE. 
          WHAT OUR JOB AND WHAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH IS TRYING TO, TO BALANCE ALL THOSE, I MADE MYSELF A SPREADSHEET AND A CHART AND, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IS OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY AND IN HARMONY. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING ATTACKED. 
          THERE'S A  LET, LET'S TRY AND FIGURE OUT. 
          SO LET'S TRY TO UNDERSTAND, LET'S, LET'S TRY AND FIGURE OUT A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT 10 PEOPLE IN THE COWORKING SPACE, UM, SAY SIX PEOPLE IN THE SALON, WHEN THAT'S AT FULL CAPACITY BETWEEN STYLISTS AND, AND, AND PATRONS, FOUR PEOPLE IN THE COFFEE SHOP, THAT'S 20. 
          IF THEY HAVE 20 SPOTS BETWEEN THE 14 THEY HAVE ON SITE AND THE OFFSITE, DO WE THINK THAT'S ENOUGH? DO WE THINK THE NUMBER'S 24? DO WE THINK IT'S, SO I STARTED A SPREADSHEET EARLIER. 
          OKAY, BECAUSE I, THAT THAT, THAT IN MY MIND WAS WHAT WE NEEDED TO ANSWER IS WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? AND THEN WE NEED TO BACK INTO IT THAT WAY. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          THAT IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE SALON DURING THE WEEK, PEAK OPERATIONS WILL NOT OVERLAP WITH THE COFFEE SHOP OR THE COWORKING SPACE, BUT ON THE WEEK. 
          BUT THE CO COFFEE AND COWORKING WILL OVERLAP AND ON THE WEEKEND, COWORKINGS NOT REALLY GONNA OVERLAP, BUT THE COFFEE AND THE SALON MAY OVERLAP. 
          AND I HAVE A WHOLE LITTLE DIAGRAM. 
          , I GRAPHED IT ALL OUT. 
          NO, THAT'S PERFECT. 
          I WAS LITERALLY READY TO BUILD THAT DIAGRAM FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE THE WAY THAT WE HAVE OUR BUSINESSES AND JUST THE PEAK TIMES OF THOSE BUSINESSES, THEY DON'T OVERLAP OFTEN. 
          AND IF THEY DO, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THOSE FOUR ADDITIONAL SPOTS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSE. 
          THE PUBLIC HOUSE. 
          UM, THE REASON WE LEFT THAT NUMBER OPEN IS BECAUSE IN OFF SEASON OR YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OFF TIME, THEY DON'T EVEN OPEN TILL FOUR. 
          MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE ALL OUT OF THERE. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          WE COULD FILL PUBLIX PARKING LOT COMPLETELY FULL AND BE GONE BY FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          YOU KNOW, SO OKAY, MAYBE THEY HAVE 20 SPOTS. 
          SO IF THAT'S 40 SPOTS IN AN ENTIRE DAY, THAT'S FAR MORE THAN WE WILL EVER NEED, EVER IN A MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM CAPACITY. 
          SO I THINK THE EASIEST THING FOR US TO ESTIMATE IS THE SALON, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE AT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, PEAK CAPACITY, THERE WOULD BE THREE STYLISTS. 
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LET'S SAY THERE'S SOME OVERLAP THAT THEY EVEN MAXIMUM WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FIVE CUSTOMERS IN THERE. 
          SO WE, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT NUMBER. 
          I GUESS I'M WONDERING PEAK IN A COFFEE SHOP AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT'S THE, THE BUNES, I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT NAME WRONG. 
          HOW MANY CUSTOMERS YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPERATION, IS IT, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL TO HAVE IN THERE? AND HOW LONG ARE THEY IN YOUR SPACE? UH, DURING THE WEEK, WE HARDLY HAVE, IT'S DIFFERENT NOW, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND DURING THE WEEK WE HARDLY HAVE ANYONE SITTING AT TABLES, I DON'T THINK AT ALL. 
          IT'S ALL COME IN AND GO. 
          UM, IT IS, IT'S EARLY MORNING. 
          YEP. 
          SO PROBABLY BEFORE THE SALON OPENS AND BEFORE COWORKING OPENS. 
          WELL, AND HOW, I MEAN, HOW MANY, TWO PEOPLE, RIGHT? TWO PEOPLE FOR 30 MINUTES. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE DRINKING COFFEE, MAYBE EATING A WAFFLE AND THEY'RE LEAVING. 
          AND HOW MUCH, UH, IN AND OUT, I MEAN I'M ASSUMING YOU ALSO PEOPLE WERE NOT STAYING. 
          SO OVER THE COURSE OF AN HOUR, HOW MANY PEOPLE MIGHT YOU HAVE COMING OUT? UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? UM, IT VARIES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DAY AT OUR SHOP NOW, I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 60 PEOPLE IN AND OUT ALL DAY AND THAT THAT'S  HOW MANY, MANY PEOPLE, IF, IF, IF THE LINE IS LONG, AS LONG AS IT WOULD GENERALLY GET. 
          YEP. 
          HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STANDING IN THAT LINE? TWO. 
          I DON'T, YOU NEVER HAVE A LINE MORE THAN TWO, THREE PEOPLE PROBABLY. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE TWO GROUPS ASSUMING THEY COME TOGETHER, THAT THAT TWO, TWO CARS AND THEN TWO PEOPLE IN LINE WOULD BE LIKE A MAXIMUM SCENARIO PLUS TWO STAFF. 
          WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          THAT'S, YEP. 
          AND THE STAFF, LIKE WE SAID, WILL BE DOING, UM, RIDE SHARE, YOU KNOW, UBER OR SOME SORT OF TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT? YEP. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS, EVEN WHEN WE DO HAVE PEOPLE DINING IN, AT MOST THERE'S PROBABLY TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND IT'S TWO TO THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PER TABLE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE BIG TABLES. 
          THE BIGGEST TABLE WE HAVE IS A FOUR TOP. 
          UM, AND THERE'S HARDLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A RESTAURANT, YOU DON'T JUST SEE TABLES FILLED WITH PEOPLE. 
          UM, USUALLY SOMEONE'S GRABBING TWO LATTES AND TAKING IT BACK TO THE PERSON THEY WERE GETTING IT FOR. 
          UM, BUT THEN, YEAH, I'D SAY TWO TO THREE PEOPLE IN EACH GROUP AND A MAX OF TWO GROUPS AT A TIME. 
          THAT'S GOING OFF OF WHAT WE'RE USED TO IN OUR LOCATION NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH FOR SOME ASSUMPTIONS THEN FOR PARKING NUMBERS IS OFF PEAK. 
          THIS IS JUST SOME ASSUMPTIONS THE SALON WOULD MAYBE HAVE TWO STAFF, TWO CUSTOMERS FOR, FOR FOUR. 
          THE COFFEE SHOP WOULD MAYBE HAVE ONE STAFF PERSON, MAYBE TWO CUSTOMERS RUNNING IN AND OUT HAPPEN TO OVERLAP, YOU KNOW, OFF PEAK OR WORST CASE, FOUR GROUPS AT THE SAME TIME CO-WORKING. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF SPLITTING THESE PEAK AND OFF PEAK AND THE COWORKING, YOU KNOW, AT LOW LEVELS. 
          LET'S SAY YOU HAVE LIKE ONE STAFF AND MAYBE THREE CUSTOMERS. 
          AND THAT AT PEAK, WORST CASE, ASSUMING THERE'S A MEETING AND PEOPLE IN THE OTHER SPACES, MAYBE YOU'D HAVE 10 CUSTOMERS AND A STAFF PERSON. 
          ARE THESE REASONABLE CONSERVATIVE WORST CASE? 'CAUSE IF I ABSOLUTELY THAT'S PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S PERFECT. 
          THAT'S MARIE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, IF I PLUG THIS IN, I AM SEEING 20 ISH. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE AND JUST ROUND UP 20 TO 22 PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T USE THE HANDICAP SPOT DURING PEAK THAT NEEDS A PARKING SPACE. 
          WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? KATE? CAITLYN, I'M SORRY. 
          I I WOULD SAY 20 TO 22 PARKING SPACES. 
          OKAY. 
          WORST CASE IS WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY REALLY HONESTLY, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF BETWEEN THE 14 THEY HAVE ON SITE BEFORE THEY HAVE ON THE LOCATION ON ONE SIDE AND WHAT THEY HAVE AT THE PUBLIC HOUSE, IF THAT EQUALS MORE THAN 22, THEN THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, RIGHT? DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT ON THE BOARD? I AGREE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BETTER LAID OUT IN THE COUNT ON THE BOARD INCLUDING, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN, THE GARAGE SPACES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          THERE'S ONE SPACE. 
          I THINK WE CAN ONLY COUNT 13 OF THE 14 ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE COULD JUST HAVE ARTICULATED LIKE AS NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS THE LETTERS, JUST SOME SORT OF LIKE WHERE THE OFFSITE PARKING IS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET OR NOT. 
          I THINK IT'S ALL THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          YES IT IS. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S ALL THE SAME. 
          I THINK I'D ALSO LIKE TO, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THEIR DOCUMENTATION. 
          UM, NOTICE FROM FIRE ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR, TO GET A FIRETRUCK IN THERE OR TO GET AN AMBULANCE 
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IN THERE. 
          I KNOW WHEN I DROVE BY THE SITE, IT'S, IT'S NARROW AND THEN THE PARKING'S THERE AND IT WORKS. 
          BUT I WOULD JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT HIGH OF USE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET, GOD FORBID WE NEED IT, A FIRE TRUCK IN THERE, WE COULD GET AN AMBULANCE IN THERE AND STILL MANEUVER THEM AROUND TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF THE OCCUPANTS. 
          YEAH, I CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, A QUESTION, UM, ON, ON YOUR PARKING AND WITH THE PARKING, YOU ALSO SAID WITH A COFFEE SHOP, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A BIKE RACK. 
          HOW MANY SPOTS ON THAT BIKE RACK? ABSOLUTE. 
          UM, THAT'S, I MEAN, A TYPICAL BIKE RACK, WE COULD GET ONE OR TWO. 
          SO IF, IF SOMEBODY RIDES THEIR BIKE YEAH, WE'VE WORKED WITH GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IF SOMEBODY RIDES THEIR BIKE TO YOUR SPOT AND THEY PARK THEIR BIKE AND THEY GO IN FOR A CUP OF COFFEE, THE ASSUMPTION IS THEY'RE GONNA GRAB THEIR COFFEE, GO BACK OUT TO THEIR BIKE AND DRIVE AWAY OR WHAT? WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR A NUMBER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN JUST STAND AROUND AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE IF THEY RODE THEIR BIKE, SAYS IT'S LOCATION. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR OTHER SPOTS WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THIS IS ON THE LAKE. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE RELAX AND THEY MIGHT WALK OVER TO PUBLIC HOUSE AND WALK DOWN AND LOOK AT THE LAKE. 
          YOU'RE WITH A CUP OF COFFEE, YOU PARK THEIR BIKE ON YOUR BIKE RACK. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONLY TWO SPOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OH NO, WE COULD HAVE, I MEAN, FOR THE BIKE RACK, NO BIKE RACK, WE COULD HAVE A BIG A BIKE RACK AS YOU WANT. 
          , ANYONE, WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING HAVING TWO. 
          SO ANYBODY BUT ANYBODY IN THAT BUILDING WHO'S A TENANT OR CLIENT THERE CAN USE THOSE BIKE RACKS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY'RE NOT DESIGNATED JUST FOR  AS LONG AS THEY WERE A TENANT OR A MEMBER WITH THE SPACE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT IF I JUST CAME FOR A CUP OF COFFEE. 
          YEP. 
          OH ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. 
          ANY CUSTOMER, ANY MEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER ON HOW MANY SPOTS APPROXIMATELY COULD, WE COULD COME UP WITH ONE. 
          I MEAN, UH, BIKE RACK CAN BE WHATEVER A STANDARD BIKE RACK GOES FOR, I SUPPOSE. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          I SEE 'EM IN THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING, BUT I'M, I'M PICTURING THE ONES AT THE SCHOOLS TOO. 
          YEAH, PROBABLY. 
          HEY BOB, I GOT ONE ABOUT HALF A BLOCK AWAY AT THE LIBRARY. 
          YOU WANT ME TO WALK OVER AND COUNT THEM?  WHAT YOU WE'LL WAIT, BILL, I'LL WAIT FOR YOU. 
          I WOULD WAIT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD PRESUME, I PRESUME MAYBE, MAYBE A DOZEN AT MAX, BUT USUALLY I ONLY SEE, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          FOUR, FOUR TO SIX BIKES IN A BIKE RACK USUALLY. 
          UM, WELL, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE MODES OF PARTIC OR OF TRANSPORTATION IS HUGE FOR US. 
          I'M ACTUALLY, I'M ON THE, THE CLIMATE SMART COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF BUFFALO. 
          SO USING BIKES IN THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, USING ALTERNATIVE MODES, CARPOOLING, I MEAN, ME ALONE, I COULD COME WITH MY CAR AND THREE OTHER PEOPLE, WE COULD OCCUPY THE SPACE BUT ONLY BRING ONE CAR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ON THE BUS ROUTE, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS HUGE FOR US. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT THINKING ABOUT THAT. 
          WELL, THOSE TAKE RACKS. 
          TAKE UP ANY PARKING SPACES. 
          WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE LOCATED? NO, WE'LL NOT PUT THEM IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          NO. 
          COULD, UM, YEAH, I I DON'T THINK THAT WE'D, WE'D LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO LOCATION. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING FOR LOCATION. 
          GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. 
          DENNIS. 
          LOCATION. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE HAVE A GOOD SPOT FOR A BIKE RACK RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE ENTRANCE OF WHERE THE CAFE WOULD BE. 
          THERE'S, UM, JUST GOING OFF OF MY MIND, PROBABLY A EIGHT OR 10 FOOT SECTION IN BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE GARAGE TO THE, TO THE LEFT. 
          FACING FROM RED SHORE? YEP. 
          CORRECT, BECAUSE I WAS AT THE, I WAS AT THE SITE, I LOOKED AROUND AND I TALKED, I PICTURE THAT BEING A GOOD SPOT FOR A BIKE RACK. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          IT'D BE NICE TO PUT ONE OVER BY THE COWORKING SPACE AS WELL. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME OPEN SPACE, UH, NEAR THEIR, UH, NEAR THEIR ENTRANCE AS WELL. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK KATE CAITLIN MADE A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE TOO OVER STRESSED OUT OR ANYTHING ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NEW TO SOME OF US AND, AND, UH, I PLAN ON GOING TO SPRINGVILLE TO LOOK AT YOUR PLACE THERE BECAUSE I, I HAVE BUSINESS IN THERE NEXT WEEK AND I PLAN ON GOING THERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE, DON'T BECAUSE OF OUR QUESTIONS SEEM INTIMIDATING, CAITLIN'S, RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR IN OUR HEADS THAT IS THIS. 
          AND MY BIG THING, AND I THINK IT'S MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD IS SAFETY. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, OF COURSE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT COME THERE, PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE HAIR SALON AND YOU KNOW, DENNIS RIDES OVER THERE TO GO TO THE HAIR SALON AND HE HAS A PARKING SPOT AND THAT HE, HE'S GONNA BE KNOW IT'S SAFE AND EVERYTHING TO, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE APPOINTMENTS AND IT'S ALL GONNA BE DONE THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL DISTANCING. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SU WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SAFETY AT ONE ONE POINT OF THIS. 
          SO PLEASE DON'T, CAITLYN MADE A GOOD POINT RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING. 
          DON'T TAKE IT AS BEING INTIMIDATED AGAINST, WE'RE JUST, WE JUST, IT'S NEW TO ME. 
          I CAN JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF. 
          THIS IS A BRAND NEW CONCEPT. 
          OF 
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COURSE NOT BRAND NEW CONCEPT. 
          COING IS NEW TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          IT'S BRAND NEW CONCEPT. 
          YEP. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. 
          I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT COWORKING. 
          I COULD TALK HOURS ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU ON THE, THE CALL THIS LONG. 
          UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I GUESS THE FOLLOW ON QUESTION IS, IS IF THERE'S GONNA TO BE OFFSITE PARKING, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC SIGNAGE PROPOSED? AND IF SO, WHERE WOULD THAT SIGNAGE BE PLACED ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING AND HOW WOULD YOU, UH, DIRECT FLOW OR ADVERTISE FLOW IN YOUR PARKING LOT? UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TRICKY IS PULLING IN AND OUT OF THERE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU PULL IN ONE SIDE AND THERE'S ONLY PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN'T, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PULL THROUGH THERE BASED ON THE WAY THE PARKING'S LAID OUT. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD POST SIGNAGE SO THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT IF THE LOT APPEARED FULL, WHERE ELSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE AVAILABLE IN, IN DOWN THE STREET AT HOAX WHEN THEY DID THEIR ADDITION. 
          WE DID REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IN SIGNS THAT IDENTIFIED THE OFFSITE PARKING. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE DID DOWN THE STREET AND THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF THE THING THAT WE WOULD WANT IN THIS. 
          UM, AND IT, WHAT THEY HAVE DOWN THE STREET IS AS SIMPLE AS SAYING ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE. 
          AND JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION. 
          ME ANYWAY, UH, DID THE BENEFITS TO HAMBURG WITH THIS, UH, ARE YOU GONNA BE APPLYING FOR ANY I FUNDS? NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          WE'RE NOT NO PILOT, NO PILOTS OR I OR PILOTS. 
          I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THAT IS. 
          YEP. 
          I'M UH, I'M NOT EVEN, YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD TAKE THAT AS A NO THEN NO, AS A NO, HOPEFULLY THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. 
          HAVEN'T LOOKED AND YEAH. 
          WELL, WELL, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE YOUR EMPLOYEE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR EMPLOYEES, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, OR YOU KNOW, A SMALL NUMBER OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A BIG ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          UH, SEAN DOYLE ALSO WELCOME. 
          DID JUST STATE ON FACEBOOK THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR IDA FUNDINGS DUE TO RETAIL RESTRICTIONS. 
          THANKS SEAN. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS DID, EXCUSE ME. 
          DID DID YOU PURCHASE THE BUILDING NOW? DO YOU OWN THAT BUILDING? ACTUALLY, I OWN THE BUILDING. 
          PARDON ME? IS THAT SHARON? THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH, I OWN THE BUILDING. 
          MY NAME IS TURNBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          I, OKAY, SO WE HAVE, I ASK ONE LAST QUESTION AND I GUESS THIS APPLIES TO, I DON'T, I THINK WE REFER THIS TO, DID WE REFER THIS TO TRAFFIC SAFETY OR WAS IT DIFFERENT PROJECT? IS THERE  BASED TO PULL IN? SO IF SOMEBODY PULLS IN ONE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S FULL, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHEN THEY PULLED IN, IS THERE SPACE FOR THEM TO TURN AROUND OR DO THEY HAVE TO BACK BACK OUT ONTO THE STREET? TRAFFIC SAFETY WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS ON APRIL 13TH. 
          OH, APRIL 13. 
          APRIL, I MEAN AUGUST. 
          WHOA  CAITLYN RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT THEY'VE GOT IS IN THE MIDDLE, NEAR THE ROAD, LIKE THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S SET UP FOR THE HAIR SALON, THERE'S A SPACE WHERE THERE'S NOT PARKING SPACES. 
          THERE'S LIKE THE, THE DIAGONAL YELLOW LINES AND YOU COULD PULL ACROSS THAT. 
          SO YOU COULD COME OUT ON ROUTE FIVE FRONT WAY INSTEAD OF BACKING OUT ON ROUTE FIVE. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT WHEN YOU WENT OVER THERE, BOB? YES, I DID. 
          Y YES, THAT EXPLAINS IT. 
          THEY COULD DRIVE, LIKE THEY COULD DRIVE RIGHT THROUGH IT AND THERE'S A BIG SPACE THERE. 
          YEAH, THERE IS DIAGONAL, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE, THE WAY THE, WITH THE DIAGONAL YELLOW LINE, SO NOBODY PARKS ON IT AND THERE'S, I BELIEVE ON BOTH SIDES THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO DO LIKE A REVERSE THREE POINT TURN AND, AND PULL BACK OUT. 
          YEP. 
          THERE IS THERE YOU, YOU PLAY A BACKUP SPACE LIKE BILL WAS SAYING, RIGHT ALONG THE AREA AND, AND YOU COULD DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THERE, CORRECT. 
          BILL, DO WE KNOW THE FENCE THAT'S GOING IN FOR THE NEIGHBOR OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY REQUIREMENT ABOUT THAT? UM, WELL THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT THE QUOTE ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, IMPACT THE VISIBILITY OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO PULL OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING. 
          WE HAVE, WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT IT IF, IF YOU WENT OVER THERE YOU COULD SEE, I THINK ONE OF THE PLANS THEY SUBMITTED, THE, THE SPOTS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE A LITTLE PIECE THAT'S KIND OF STICKING OFF THE ASPHALT. 
          IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE FIVE. 
          I MEAN, IF CODE ENFORCEMENT LET THEM DO A SIX FOOT FENCE THAT WENT ALL 
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THE WAY TO THE SHOULDER, THAT WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARILY DANGEROUS. 
          AND I REALLY, THEY WOULD CODE CODE. 
          THEY WON'T BE ABLE, CODE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT. 
          NO. 
          CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. 
          NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DREW, DO YOU KNOW, IS THE FENCE GONNA COME ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? I'M JUST THINKING WHEN WE GET THE SNOW, I, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FENCE DESIGN. 
          ROGER CALLED ME ABOUT IT AND I SAID, I SAID, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T BLOCK VISIBILITY. 
          HE SAID, YEP, WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THOSE THINGS RIGHT THERE ARE, THERE'S THERE'S FENCE ON HIS PROPERTY LINE, BUT HE CAN'T PRO DO VISIBILITY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD SARAH. 
          THERE ARE SPECIFICS IN THE CODE ABOUT, UH, HOW CLOSE YOU CAN COME TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE LOWER THE FENCE BECOMES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THOSE THINGS WILL, PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FOR THIS APPLICANT BECAUSE IT COULD DEFINITELY CREATE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? UM, WHO, SARAH, WHO'S THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? DID THOSE GO TO DOUG OR KAITLIN OR IF THEY WENT TO KAITLIN? YEP, I'VE, OH, HOLD ON. 
          LET ME JUST REOPEN THOSE BECAUSE YES, IT'S KAITLIN. 
          UM, SORRY I WAS CALCULATING SARAH AND DREW, I'M GONNA SEND YOU MY SPREADSHEET SO YOU CAN SAVE IT IN THE FILE ON THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMEBODY DOUBLE CHECK. 
          MY LITTLE NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LINDSAY EY AND MARIE DOMAN H AT A COFFEE SHOP IN A CO-WORKING SPACE AT 4,900 LAKE SHORE ROAD. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 5TH, 2020 VIA WEBEX AND CAN BE VIEWED ON THE TOWNSHIP OF NEW YORK FACEBOOK PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS TIME I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL, UH, CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE POSTED ONTO FACEBOOK. 
          UM, AND AS I STATED EARLIER, WE ARE NOT GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT OPEN UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING SO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ABLE TO PUT A COMMENT ON FACEBOOK HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GRANT COMMENTS. 
          UM, SO FAR I AM NOT SEEING ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK. 
          GIVE IT ANOTHER FEW SECONDS TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAD ANYTHING THEY WANT. 
          UM, SEAN DOYLE'S EMAIL. 
          EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING BOARD GOT THAT. 
          DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OR ARE WE OKAY WITH JUST HAVING THE EMAIL THAT GETS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES? AGREED MINUTES. 
          IT, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT COMMENT. 
          MINUTES. 
          AND, AND BILL, THERE WAS THAT LETTER FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER'S ATTORNEY TOO, THAT I BELIEVE THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS GOT RIGHT? THAT WAS THE ONE ABOUT FENCE, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, WAS THE FENCE IN NOT USING HIS PROPERTY FOR PARKING? AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SITE CLAIM DOES NOT USE IT, SHOW ANY PARKING ON THAT ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT WE, WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER, I DON'T THINK WAS AN ATTENDANCE AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          SO, UM, SINCE THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK, I'M GONNA MAKE AN AMO A MOTION TO ADJOURN PROFO 49 UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING ON AUGUST 19TH. 
          SECOND, THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN SECOND BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THIS IS DREW. 
          UM, CAN YOU ADD TO YOUR MOTION, DO YOU WANT US TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS? NOT THAT YOU WOULD ACT ON THEM, BUT AT LEAST HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED. 
          THEY WOULD BE SEEKER AND POTENTIAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          UM, WANT US TO PREPARE THOSE THINGS? YEAH, I THINK YOU CAN PREPARE THEM. 
          WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ACT ON IT WILL DEPEND ON THE AMOUNT AND NATURE OF PUBLIC COMMENTS WE GET. 
          IF WE GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT OR ADDRESSED YET CORRECT, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACT ON IT. 
          BUT IF THE COMMENTS ARE SIMILAR TO THE THINGS WE ALREADY HAVE ADDRESSED RIGHT. 
          AND OR ARE MINOR RATHER QUICKLY, THEN THEN WE WOULD, IT COULD BE IN A POSITION VOTE NEXT WEEK, 
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NEXT MEETING EVERYBODY AND JUST EXPLAIN RIGHT. 
          EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD KNOWS THIS, THAT WE PREPARE RESOLUTIONS IN THE POSITIVE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO VOTE AND WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING IT, WE'RE JUST PREPARING 'EM IN CASE YOU THE CORRECT WAY FOR YOU TO ACT ON THEM. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, ACT ON YOU, DO NOT ACT ON THEM. 
          AND IF YOU NEED TO ACT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, YOU CAN ACT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN SOMETIMES WE TAKE THE RESOLUTIONS YOU SEND US AND WE MARK 'EM OFF, WE DO 'EM AND, AND WE MAKE, WE, WE MAKE CHANGES. 
          UM, AND YOU, YOU KIND OF JUST SEND US A, A BASIC RESOLUTION AND, AND WE ADD IN THE STUFF IF, IF WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          SO IS THAT ALL RIGHT? UM, PLANNING BOARD OKAY WITH ME, BOBBY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR JAMES CLEARY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CREATE A WEDDING EVENT CENTER AT 6 6 5 3 TAYLOR ROAD. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED INTO THIS ONE, JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND HAS OCCURRED ALREADY. 
          BETTY IS THE PLANNING BOARD MADE A SECRET DETERMINATION THAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT, AN ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          AND THIS PROJECT WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED A VARIANCE BECAUSE THIS IS A RA DISTRICT. 
          SO THE, THE VARIANCE THAT THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED ALLOWS THEM TO OPERATE A WEDDING CENTER, AN EVENT CENTER. 
          SO AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT ISSUES FOR SITE PLAN. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS ISSUE IS, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S AN, AN ACTIVE LEASE BETWEEN TWO PARTIES ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND SIMILAR TO THE ISSUES WITH SURVEYS, THE PLANNING BOARD'S NOT GONNA WEIGH IN ON DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF A LEASE OR PUT REQUIREMENTS IN A SITE PLAN TAILORED TO THAT LEASE. 
          BUT THE THINGS THAT WE'LL CONSIDER IN A SITE PLAN HAVE TO DO WITH ACCESS. 
          IT WOULDN'T APPROVE A SITE PLAN THAT CUT OFF ACCESS TO AN EXISTING USE. 
          JUST LIKE WE WOULDN'T APPROVE A SITE PLAN THAT HAD A, THAT THAT HAD 'EM PUT IN A DUMPSTER WHERE YOU COULDN'T PULL IN A GARBAGE TRUCK. 
          SO THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ACCESS TO THE, THE, UH, THE TENANT FACILITY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER WHEN IT COMES TO THE SITE PLAN. 
          JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA WEIGH IN ON THE LEASE DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA IGNORE THOSE CONCERNS. 
          UM, THEY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE. 
          WHAT OTHER, SO I, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA FOCUS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS. 
          SO THEY, THEY DEAL WITH THE SITE PLAN. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED IS THE POSSIBILITY OF PARKING ON TAYLOR ROAD. 
          UH, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR THE, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ANY PLAN THAT ENCOURAGED ON TAYLOR ROAD. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN APPROPRIATE AREA FOR STREET PARKING. 
          SO IT'S CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THAT IT, IT WON'T BE IN THE FINAL SITE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT FROM PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING BOARD? I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE RECEIVED AND READ AND APPRECIATE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN AND I WANT FOLKS TO BE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS READ THEM, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMENTS FROM THE RECORD CLUB, FROM ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN, AND AND WE EXPECT TO GET ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND, AND WE WILL ALSO, WE WILL READ THEM AND, AND THEY WILL BE PART OF OUR EVALUATION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WAS AWARE, I FOUND OUT WHEN I WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WITH THE EVIDENCE, WITH THE, WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SURVEY. 
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AND AT THE BEGINNING THEY OFFERED, HE OFFERED TO ASK ME IF HE COULD BUY LIKE 10 FEET OR WHATEVER DISTANCE IT IS THAT HE NEEDS. 
          I TOLD HIM, I'LL GIVE YOU WHAT I OWN IT. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT THE 5.7, SIX FEET, SIX FEET, LET'S SAY. 
          I SAID, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          I SAID, I CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU UNTIL I OWN IT, BUT I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          I SAID, I DON'T WANNA AFFECT HIS, THE SALE OF HIS HOUSE OR THE COMMENT THAT HE MADE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE THAT MR. HOPKINS AND YOU AND THEM DEAL WITH THAT. 
          AND WHEN THERE'S A FINAL RESOLUTION, YOU CAN LET US KNOW. 
          CAN'T, I CAN'T OFFER THAT UNTIL I OWN IT. 
          I I'LL GO ON RECORD SAYING HOW I'LL GIVE IT TO HIM. 
          I REALLY DON'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WE COULD DO IN THAT SITUATION, AND DREW AND JENNIFER WILL HAVE TO WEIGH IN, WHAT I'M THINKING IS WE COULD, AND, AND MAYBE, UH, YOUR ATTORNEY, MR. HOPKINS, WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU GIVE THEM THAT PROPERTY. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, I MEAN IT'S, I I'D RATHER HAVE THAT RESOLVED BEFORE WE DID THE SITE PLAN, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT ON SOME TYPE OF CONDITIONAL BASIS. 
          UM, JENNIFER OR MR. HOPKINS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? YEAH, THIS IS SEAN HOPKINS. 
          CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES. 
          HELLO? YEP. 
          YEAH, I JUST, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON, UM, WHAT MR. CLEARY SAID, ADAM, WENDY, EVEN THEN, WHO OWN THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR AT 66 55 FILLER ROAD, HAVE RAISED A CONCERN. 
          THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN OUR SETBACK AND THEIR SETBACK. 
          OUR SETBACK SHOWS THEIR GARAGE BEING MUCH CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY THAN THEIR SETBACK. 
          I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT JIM INDICATED. 
          THE FIVE SPEED THAT COULD BE IN QUESTION IS OF NO VALUE TO US. 
          WE DON'T NEED IT FOR OUR PROJECT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO US FOR THE BOARD TO IMPOSE A CONDITION THAT IF THEY ELECT TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, WE WILL CONVEY IT TO THEM AT NO COST. 
          WE, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD TO DEAL WITH, THEY'VE BEEN CORRECTIVE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WITH THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, IT DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE THIS IN ANY WAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE ADVERSARIAL. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEIR GARAGE COMPLIES WITH THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR THE CODE AND THAT IF AND WHEN THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUE. 
          AND NOW THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, DOES IT HAVE ANY CHANGES ON THAT DISPUTED AREA? NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          SO THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PREPARED THAT CHRIS WOOD PREPARE FROM CARMINA WOODMORE OBVIOUSLY WAS DONE BASED ON THE SURVEY PREPARED BY NOR MCKAY IN DALLAS. 
          THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE ON BEHALF OF EDDIE, WENDY, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR BY LANDMARK, HAS A DIFFERENT SETBACK. 
          AND THIS PERTAINS TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OF THEIR GARAGE FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. 
          I'M GETTING A LOT, I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK BY THE WAY, FROM SOMEONE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I, UM, SO WE WERE SENT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, DID YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO MAY BE, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT MIGHT HAVE NOT HAVE WEIGHED IN ON THIS PROJECT IN THE PAST. 
          THERE WAS A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA ANSWER IT, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT SITE PLAN SHOWS ACCESS TO THE RACKET CLUB. 
          THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION. 
          I GUESS THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA PULL, PULL UP THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT PROJECT AND SHARE THAT WITH BEFORE WE YEAH, THAT'S, AND WE SHOULD AND, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I, WE WOULDN'T APPROVE A PROJECT THAT CUT OFF ACCESS TO ANY PERMISSIBLE USE. 
          SO THAT'S IMPORTANT THING FOR PEOPLE TO, TO KNOW AND SEE. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S BEEN RAISED A FEW TIMES OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS I, I CAN PULL UP THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UM, OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE COULD, BECAUSE IT'S A PDF AND I HAVE TROUBLE ZOOMING ON THE PDFS. 
          I CAN DO IT TO EXPAND THEM. 
          I GOT IT. 
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OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          IS IT UP? IT IS UP, YES. 
          AND WE AND MR IF YOU WANNA DIRECT US TO THE SLIDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WOULD HAVE THE SUB PLAN THAT WOULD SHOW THE ACCESS TO THE BRACKET CLUB. 
          I THINK THAT'S THIS ONE. 
          MR. HOPKINS. 
          IS THIS THE ONE I WANT? I THINK THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          THIS WAS THE LANDSCAPING DOES SITE PLAN ON IT. 
          SO WHAT WAS THE, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS ISN'T ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS ABOUT THE WALKWAY TO THE EXISTING RACKET CLUB AND WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THAT WAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          I HAVE A SITE PLAN IN MY OFFICE. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY THAT SHOW SHOWS THE WALKWAY DIRECTLY TO THE, UM, BUBBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT WALKWAY, THAT'S THE STORM DRAINAGE PLAN. 
          AND, AND MAYBE, UH, MR. CLEARY OR MR. HOPKINS CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY CHANGES MADE TO THAT WALKWAY? UH, MR. HOPKINS, YOU MIGHT BE ON MUTE. 
          MR. CLEARY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          MUTE TOO. 
          MR. CLEARY. 
          JIM IS STILL ON. 
          MR. CLEARY IS MUTED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, LET'S JUST TRY AND WORK WAY THROUGH THIS, I GUESS. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, THE PARKING LOT GOES RIGHT UP TO THE BUBBLE, THE NEW PARKING LOT. 
          AND THERE IS A PLANE THAT SHOWS THE WALKWAY DIRECTLY TO THE, THE FRONT DOOR. 
          I, I DON'T SEE IT THOUGH, IN THIS PRESENTATION PRESENTATION, I JUST SAW IT TODAY ON, ON OUR SCREENS, THE BUBBLE IS THE, THE LIGHT GRAY SQUARE AT THE END OF THE PARKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YEAH, I, I DON'T SEE A WALKWAY ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          UM, SARAH, DID YOU, DID YOU GET THE PLANS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BY P OR WERE THEY WERE NO. 
          OR WERE THEY SHEETS PLAN? I WAS REVIEWING TODAY WITH SOMEONE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO, UM, WAS NOT, WAS A PAPER COPY AND IT SPECIFICALLY SHOWED THE ENTRANCE FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUBBLE. 
          IT MIGHT BE A REVISED, UM, MEGAN, IT, IT'S ON THE DRAINAGE PLAN. 
          PUT THE DRAIN BACK UP AND ZOOM IN. 
          YOU CAN ZOOM IN. 
          NO. 
          UM, NO. 
          WHAT I SAW WAS, I'M NOT SEEING A WALKWAY. 
          I JUST SEE SOME LETTERS THERE. 
          YEAH, I HAVE A RIGHT SPOT FOR A WALKWAY RIGHT THERE. 
          THE WALK THE WALKWAY IS RIGHT ALONG THE PARKING LOT THERE, ISN'T IT? THIS WENT DIRECTLY FROM THE PARKING. 
          IT DOESN'T GO TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          DREW THAT WALKWAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE OKAY. 
          THE TENNIS BUBBLE. 
          BUT THERE IS A PLAN THAT SHOWS IT IN MY OFFICE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WALKWAY EXISTS. 
          IT MUST EXIST. 
          DOES WELL, IT DOES ON MY PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT PLAN BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THE PDF VERSIONS. 
          UM, BILL, I HAVEN'T, I HAVE A TEXT FROM CHRIS WOOD. 
          HE SAID THE WALKWAY TO THE DOOR OF THE BUBBLE WAS REWORKED TO PROVIDE ACCESS FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUBBLE. 
          SO IT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE FROM WHAT YOU SEE. 
          WELL, I MEAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY NEED JUST TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION. 
          BUT AT AT LEAST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE IS, THERE IS A SET OF PLANS THAT INCLUDES THE WALKWAY AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS NO INTENTION OF APPROVING A PROJECT WITHOUT A WALKWAY. 
          IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? EVERYBODY? YEP. 
          BILL, I'LL, I WILL ASK CHRIS TO, UM, PDF ME THE PLAN THAT I SAW TODAY. 
          OKAY, BOB, IF IT'S, IF IT'S WORTH ANYTHING, I DID GO BACK THERE AND I SAW THAT THEY DID WORK ON, I DID VISUALLY SEE IT. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD ALSO SEE PLANS. 
          BUT THEY DID DO SOMETHING TO IT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WALKWAY. 
          THERE USED TO BE, THERE WAS A LOT OF VEGETATION 
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A WHILE BACK, ALL THROUGH IT. 
          THAT'S ALL BEEN CLEANED UP. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE A REGULAR BRICK WALKWAY THAT YOU CAN WALK BACK FROM WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOW TO WALK BACK INTO THE BUBBLE. 
          NOW THE, THE WALKWAY THAT'S ON THE PLANS, SARAH, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S A NEW WALKWAY OR IF IT'S JUST THE SAME WALKWAY ATTACHED TO A NEW PARKING LOT? UM, BASED ON WHAT CHRIS'S EMAIL SAYS, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE A NEW WALKWAY. 
          BUT HE JUST SAYS THE, THE, THE WALKWAY TO THE DOOR OF THE BUBBLE WAS REWORKED TO PROVIDE ACCESS FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BUBBLE. 
          UM, MR. CLEARY C UH, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE A NEW WALKWAY OR JUST ATTACHING TO THE EXISTING WALKWAY? HE IS MUTED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE HE IS. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YES. 
          THE NEW PARKING LOT WILL HAVE A WALKWAY ALONG THE FRONT OF IT BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE HEDGES THERE THAT YOU SEE ON THE DRAWING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'LL BE A BRAND NEW WALKWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA KEEP, HONESTLY, I'M NOT GONNA KEEP THE EXISTING WALKWAY. 
          'CAUSE THE EXISTING WALKWAY THAT'S THERE IS TWO AND A HALF, THREE FEET WIDE AND IT'S ALL BUMPY AND IT'S OLD PAVEMENT. 
          THAT'S, I DON'T WANT I REPLACE IT. 
          SO, SO THE NEW WALKWAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT GONNA EXTEND ALSO TO THE RACKET CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE? SURE. 
          IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY 12 FEET, 20 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          THEIR, THEIR ENTRANCE WAY IS RIGHT IN THAT ONE FRONT CORNER. 
          THE, ALRIGHT, GOOD. 
          RIGHT NORTH CORNER IS WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE WAY IS. 
          THAT'S ALL IT HAS TO GO TO. 
          IT'S THE DISTANCE OF A PARKING SPACE, WHICH IS 30 FEET. 
          I'M NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT NOT PAVING AN EXTRA 30 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          I'LL GET YOU ALL THE PLAN THAT SHOWS IT AND SARAH FOLKS CAN COME AND DURING YOUR, DURING OFFICE HOURS OR TOWN HALL HOURS TO, TO VIEW A COPY OF THE HARD COPY IF THEY WANT. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT IN TOWN HALL AT THE BASEMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS BASICALLY UNDERNEATH WHERE THE TOWN CLERK IS. 
          AND THERE'S, THERE'S TABLES THERE. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE ANYBODY? NO. 
          WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S MUTED. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE UNMUTED. 
          SEAN TEXTED THAT HE'S MUTED AND HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T SEEM TO UNMUTE HIM. 
          SEAN, SEAN HOPKINS. 
          YEAH. 
          DOESN'T SHOW US MUTE ON OUR END. 
          IS IT HIS PHONE THAT MUTED? IS HE CALLED USER NUMBER FOUR? MUST BE I, OH, HE'S LISTED AS SEAN HOPKINS AND HE'S NOT SHOWING MUTED. 
          NO, THAT'S, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT HE'S USUALLY ON THE PHONE. 
          SO THE, THE LISTING ISN'T HOW HE CONNECTS. 
          I I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT YEAH, WE, WE'VE HAD IN PAST WHERE YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU SEAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, SOMEONE JUST UNMUTED ME. 
          YEAH, JUST EVERYONE KNOWS I'M DIALED IN FOR AUDIO, SO IT'S FINE. 
          I'M BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          UH, WILL THE MEMBERS OF THE RACKET CLUB HAVE ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT AND BE ABLE TO PARK IN THAT PARKING LOT? ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT? OR RESTRICTIONS ON SPACES, OR ARE THEY JUST ABLE TO USE THAT PARKING LOT? YES, THEY CAN USE IT START OF THE LEASE AND HONESTLY, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PARK WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE BUILDING AS CLOSE TO RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'RE WHAT, UH, A HUNDRED, 150 FEET AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS SEAN. 
          THE OTHER BENEFIT OF THIS, OF COURSE, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE A BRAND NEW PARKING LOT. 
          AS JIM INDICATED. 
          IT'LL BE MUCH CLOSER TO THE PLACE WHERE THE BUBBLE IS LOCATED IN NEW SIDEWALK. 
          IT'LL ALL COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODES. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY. 
          FOR SURE. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED IN WRITING FROM THE RACKET CLUB WAS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE OF THE TENNIS, THE SYSTEM AROUND THE TENNIS FACILITY AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, ANY DRAINAGE FROM THE PARKING LOT WOULD CAUSE FLOODING AT THEIR FACILITY 
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OR BY ANY CHANGES OF LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THIS WORK IS ON OR SHOWN, IF YOU CAN, ON THE DRAINAGE IN THE STORM WATER FLOWS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS SEAN AGAIN. 
          OBVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, CHRIS WOOD AND HIS TEAM PREPARED FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH STORMWATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER QUANTITY REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO HOLD A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. 
          CAMMY WAS, UH, KIND ENOUGH TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS AND I BELIEVE ON JULY 14TH SHE ISSUED AN EMAIL CONFIRMING THAT WE'VE MET ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, WE'LL NOT BE CAUSING FLOODING HER IMPACTS FOR THEIR EXISTING USE OF THE FACILITY. 
          AGAIN, WE'LL BE IMPROVING THE CONDITIONS COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY. 
          KIMMY, DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT? I DO. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY DRAINAGE IN AND AROUND THE PARKING LOT TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA. 
          THERE'S NOTHING DRAINING TOWARDS THE, UH, BUBBLE. 
          I'M WONDERING FOR MY CAPACITY OF THE HALL, WHAT WILL BE THE CAPACITY OF THAT HALL SO WE CAN REALLY LOOK AT THE PARKING NUMBERS FOR THAT. 
          AND WILL IT BE AN ISSUE WITH HAVING THE TENANT CENTER THERE AS WELL USING THE SAME PARKING? SO WHAT, WHAT WE'VE INDICATED IN CONNECTION WITH PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, THIS BOARD IS THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WOULD BE 250 INDIVIDUALS FOR ANY PARTICULAR EVENT. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES, AND YOU KNOW, WE, THE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE STAFF. 
          THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY ITSELF, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UH, GIVEN THE RELATIVELY SMALL NATURE OF THE BUBBLE, UM, I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE IF BOTH USES ARE OPERATIONAL AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. 
          SEAN, CAN YOU JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE IN THAT LOT? A HUNDRED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S 100 SPACES FOR 250 GUESTS OR ABOUT 2 25 GUESTS AND THEN THE WAIT STAFF AND WHOEVER'S OFFICIATING AND ALL THOSE SERVICES? CORRECT. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S AN OFFSITE CATERER BRINGING IN THEIR REFRIGERATED TRUCKS AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT, DO WE HAVE A SPACE FOR THOSE THING VEHICLES OR NO, JUST THE REGULAR PARKING LOT? NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S DESIGNED SO THEY CAN EASILY DROP OFF THEIR STUFF AND DO THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK, GENERALLY SPEAKING, OTHER THAN MAYBE A CATERING TRUCK, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY LARGE VEHICLES ON THIS SITE. 
          AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT IF YOU WANT THERE TO BE A DESIGNATED AREA WHERE IF ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES IS GONNA STAY ON SITE DURING AN EVENT, I'M SURE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT HARD. 
          AND WHERE DO WE HAVE THE DUMPSTERS AGAIN? THAT'S MY OTHER ONE. 
          JIM, ARE YOU ON? UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING. 
          I, I CAN'T SEE WHERE CHRIS PUT THE DRUMS. REASON WHY I, I'VE GONE THREE OR FOUR. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THE GO MOST. 
          THE ONLY FACILITY THAT I FOUND THAT HAS A DUMPSTER IS THE, THE FACILITY THAT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN OF HANDBOOK DOWN TAYLOR ROAD. 
          UH, THE COMPETITORS, IF YOU WANT CALL 'EM COMPETITORS IN EAST AURORA. 
          CLARENCE WHAT? UH, SOUTH WALES. 
          NONE OF 'EM HAVE DUMPSTERS. 
          THE THE REASON WHY WE HAD A DUMPSTER IS BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED BY THE BOARD TO PUT A DUMPSTER IN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. 
          WHERE, WHERE LOCATED, LOCATED PLAN THAT HAS THAT WALKWAY IN THE DUMPSTER. 
          WHERE'S IT LOCATED? YOU KNOW, THIS DRAWING IS SO SMALL. 
          HONESTLY, I CAN'T SEE IT. 
          I KNOW CHRIS AT THE LAST MEETING COMMENTED THAT, THAT HE PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A REQUEST OF THE BOARD. 
          YEAH, I KNOW, BUT JIM, WE'RE JUST ASKING. 
          YEAH. 
          BILL, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT IT? WHERE'S IT GONNA BE PUT? OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE, UH, IN RELATION TO THE KITCHEN. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OBVIOUS. 
          I I, I'M LOOKING AT THESE PLANS. 
          I SEE A GAZEBO AND I SEE SOME OTHER BILL. 
          HONESTLY, UH, CHRIS PUT IT ON THERE. 
          I DUNNO IF IT'S ON AN UPDATED PLAN OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A, I HAVE A FEELING, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THIS PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS NOT THE 
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MOST RECENT. 
          I THINK HE ADDED THE DUMPSTER AND THE WALKWAY. 
          I'M, I'M TEXTING CHRIS RIGHT NOW. 
          IF YOU COULD HAVE CHRIS EMAIL US A PDF OF THAT UPDATED PLAN. 
          YEAH, I ALREADY ASKED HIM TO DO THAT. 
          HE'LL DO IT TOMORROW BEFORE AUGUST 14TH. 
          YEAH, HE'S GONNA DO IT TOMORROW. 
          HE SAID. 
          YEAH, EVERYONE, BILL, BILL OR MEGAN WHO HAS CONTROL OF THE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE CONTROL OF IT. 
          IF YOU GO, SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING A POINTER OVER TO WHERE THE BUBBLE IS? YEP. 
          THE BUBBLE AREA CLOSEST TO OUR PARKING LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU, YOU SEE THAT ONE CUT? YOU SEE THE ONE CUT IN THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU SEE THAT ONE CUT IN SPACE WHERE THERE'S A TREE IN THE CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT, THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          SEE WHERE THE, THERE'S NO BUT UP UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, MEGAN, THAT'S CLOSE. 
          JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          OH, RIGHT ABOUT THERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          SO YEAH, RIGHT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THE DUMPSTER GONNA BE ALONG THE WALKWAY THEN TO THE TENNIS CENTER? WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA OVERLAP WITH IT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER SHOWN THE DUMPSTER OBVIOUSLY IS HOED TOWARDS, BACK TOWARDS TAYLOR ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE DUMPSTER WILL BE NEXT TO THAT WALKWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I JUST WANNA NOTE, BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE, WHICH WAS MADE BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED SPACES, WE NOW HAVE 99. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SPACES FOR, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE EVERYONE ELECTRONICALLY. 
          THE MOST CURRENT SITE PLAN AND ANY OTHER PLAN THAT SHOWS NUMBER ONE, THE DUMPSTER NOT MINOR CHANGE. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE BUBBLE. 
          NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND, AND SARAH, AFTER WE GET THAT, IF ANYBODY REQUESTS TO SEE THAT, UM, BY EMAIL CAN FORWARD THEM THE PDF OF THAT IF, IF ANYBODY REQUESTS TO HAVE IT AND IT'S, IT'S ALREADY AT TOWN HALL, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO TO TOWN HALL TO LOOK AT IT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          BUT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO TOWN HALL, I'D LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE IT BY EMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT SITE PLANS LIKE THAT ARE PUBLIC INFORMATION BUT NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY, THEN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IF, IF YOU'RE AUTHORIZING ME TO DO THAT, THEN I'LL, WHAT DID YOU SAY SARAH? JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. 
          I'M, I'M, I WAS NOT, I DIDN'T FOLLOW UP. 
          WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN ALWAYS TOLD THAT SITE PLANS LIKE THIS ARE PUBLIC INFORMATION BUT NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY AND THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE SOMEONE OKAY. 
          THE SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, I, AND I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CHRIS. 
          CHRIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE ONE WHO PREPARED THE PLANS. 
          ULTIMATELY THEY'RE HIS PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO ANYONE OKAY. 
          BEING SHARED, YOU KNOW, COPIES YOU PROVIDE THAT ONE. 
          IF, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING THAT, THAT IDENTIFIED THEM AS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT APPROVED AND I, I THINK AN ISSUE COULD COME UP IF, IF WE MADE CHANGES OR IF THE FINAL SITE PLAN'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE A SITE PLAN THAT GOT CIRCULATED LIKE THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE. 
          SO LET, LET'S MAKE SURE WE SOMEHOW IDENTIFY THEM AS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND NOT A FINAL SITE PLAN. 
          I THINK IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH OWNERSHIP. 
          SO IF CHRIS WOOD OWNS THIS PLAN AND HE'S OKAY WITH IT, THEN I THINK I'M ALRIGHT. 
          CHRIS JUST SAID THAT THE DUMPSTER IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE BLUE SQUARE IS. 
          YEAH. 
          MEGAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL. 
          I SENT YOU AN EMAIL A SECOND AGO WITH JUST THE SITE PLAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP. 
          IT'S A PDF, IT SHOWS THE DUMPSTER LOCATION. 
          SURE. 
          I THERE YOU GO. 
          I LIKE TO ALL CAN SEE ALL THE FUNNY EMAILS I GET ALL DAY. 
           . 
          NO, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          I JUST SENT IT A SECOND AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S NOT IT. 
          YOU SAID? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          IT CAME FROM ME. 
          YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S FROM SARAH. 
          NOPE, THIS DID COME FROM YOU. 
          THIS IS SEAN HU OH, OKAY. 
          8 29. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS IT I THINK. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          IT SHOULD BE THERE. 
          YEAH. 
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YEAH. 
          IT'S THERE. 
          LET ME ZOOM IN. 
          ZOOM IN. 
          YOU'LL SEE IT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          IT IS THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS BY THE WAY. 
          NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THE DUMPSTER JUST AS SARAH DESCRIBED AND, AND THE DUMPSTER IS IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE STILL DON'T SEE A WALKWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHERE WE GOTTA SHOW YOU THE WALKWAY. 
          THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT PLAN I HAD SAVED ON MY COMPUTER. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING 250 FOR THE CAPACITY OF THE VENUE SITE AND THEN JUST 99 PARKING SPACES. 
          AND KNOWING THAT AT LEAST A FEW OF THOSE PARKING SPACES MAY BE USED BY THE TENNIS CENTER. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN IF YOU HAVE OVERFLOW, IF YOU EXCEED THAT PARKING SPACE, WHAT, WHAT THE BACKUP PLAN IS? OH, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD EVER BEEN USED IN THE TENNIS CENTER AT THE SAME TIME OF A, A WEDDING EVENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THE PEAK DEMAND FOR THE PROJECT, BUT I ASSUME IT'S QUITE LOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WAS FIGURING PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR SPACES. 
          ALSO, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE BUBBLE HAS TO BE DOWN DURING SUMMER, SUMMER OPERATION. 
          SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PEAK DEMAND FOR THE ACTUAL WEDDING AND EVENT FACILITY AND THE BUBBLE, THEY DON'T OVERLAP BECAUSE THE BUBBLE IS FOR SEASONAL USE ONLY PURSUANT TO THE LEASE AND NOT DURING SUMMERTIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND MR. CLEARY DID STATE AT SOME EARLIER MEETINGS, UM, THAT EVENTS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF SHUTTLES FROM THE HOTEL WHERE OUT OF TOWN GUESTS STAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT HE WAS RIGHT. 
          ENVISIONING THAT THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR WAY THAT PEOPLE WOULD TRANSPORT. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE ASKED THAT AND IT'S ON THE RECORD, BUT RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ALSO ADDRESSED IN NOT ONLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE PREPARED, BUT ALSO SUPPLEMENTAL LETTERS FROM SR ASSOCIATES OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
          AS EVERYONE RECALL, MEGAN HAD A VERY GOOD QUESTION THAT WE HAD TO UPDATE OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO SHOW THAT THOSE VEHICLES WOULD EXITING AFTER THEY DROP PEOPLE OFF. 
          SO ALL OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE APPROPRIATE TO REITERATE IT. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE? ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON, ON LIGHTING, ON LIGHTING, UM, ON THE LIGHTING SECTION, LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM AT HOME, UM, HOW MANY FEET APART IS THE LIGHTING GONNA BE, SEAN, GOING DOWN THE ROAD, COMING DOWN THE PARK, THE DRIVEWAY WAY? SO CAN YOU, CAN I, AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION I DID, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A COPY OF THE LIGHTING PLAN IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          LOOKING AT THE SCALE. 
          I, I, I CAN'T READ IT. 
          LOOK AT THE FEET. 
          IT HAS LIKE, THERE WHERE THE LIGHTING AT, HOW MANY FEET IN BETWEEN? YEAH, LET ME, LET ME PULL IT UP AT THE SAME TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE AND THAT ONE SHOWS THE DUMPSTER. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE, SO THOSE, THE, THERE'S FOUR PARKING, THERE'S FOUR STANDARDS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? THE ONE STARTING TO THE LEFT CLOSEST TO THE BUBBLE, WHICH IS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO LIGHT STANDARDS BOTH FACING EACH DIRECTION. 
          THOSE ONES ARE OBVIOUSLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE ONE'S SHINING ONE WAY, ONE'S SHINING THE OTHER WAY. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TWO LIGHT STANDARDS UP CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL EVENT CENTER. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LIGHT STANDARDS ALONG THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAY, INCLUDING ONE UP CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH TAYLOR ROAD. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE SEPARATED ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ADEQUATE THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE SAFETY AND ILLUMINATE IT SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          THAT'S QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS OUR PREFERENCE. 
          OUR PREFERENCE IS TO MINIMIZE LIGHTING WHILE ENSURING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING SAFE ACCESS AND SAFE PARKING AREAS FOR THE FACILITY. 
          I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. 
          THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS LIGHTING PLAN IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT FIXTURES AND NO LIGHTING O NO LIGHTING, ILLUMINATION LEVELS, UM, GOING ONTO ADJOINING PROPERTIES. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. 
          THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTING SPILL OVER ONTO ANY OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG TAYLOR ROAD. 
          NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S JUST, I SEE ONE'S CLOSER TO THE, TO THE, UH, ENTRANCE OR EXIT OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A, A BIG THING BECAUSE IT'S A DARK, IT'S A DARK ROAD RIGHT. 
          IN THAT AREA. 
          EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A, A STREET OR GONNA TALL STREET, WE'RE GONNA TELL THE STREETLIGHT DOWN, DOWN A LITTLE BIT, ABOUT A HUNDRED, A 
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HUNDRED FEET. 
          AND I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WITH THE SAFETY AFTER, AFTER NINE O'CLOCK, IT'S GONNA BE DARK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT WAS WHY I THINK IT WAS YOU, MR. MAHONEY, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW THAT AREA VERY WELL. 
          YOU RAISED THAT CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE WERE HERE AND WHEN WE DID THE LIGHTING PLAN, THAT'S WHY WE SPECIFICALLY PUT A NEW LIGHTING FIXTURE AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          SO I CAN NAME THAT. 
          BOB'S LIGHTING, LIGHTING, UH, FIXTURE RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S MINE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A PLAQUE ON IT AS WELL. 
          OH, THAT'S VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NO, THANKS SEAN. 
          NO, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO ONE LAST QUESTION FOR ME IS, HOW LONG IS THE DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION EXPECTED TO LAST? KATE, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL THERE. 
          CAN YOU JUST REPEAT IT AGAIN QUICK? WHAT'S THE DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION? HOW LONG IS THIS SUPPOSED TO TAKE TO, TO DO THE, I GUESS SEPARATELY, THE EXTERNAL WORK, THE, THE PARKING LOT, THE LIGHTING, UM, THE LANDSCAPING DRAINAGE DRAIN, AND THEN ALSO HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE INTERIOR WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JIM, I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU ON WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. 
          IF YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          HE'S MUTED. 
          I YEAH, WE, WE KEEP MUTING HIM BECAUSE DON'T START, IF WE DON'T START TILL THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, WHICH NOW IT LOOKS LIKE BASED ON EVERYTHING, WE MAY NOT START TILL THE WINTER. 
          UM, COULD TAKE, COULD TAKE NINE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GET THE LANDSCAPING IN THE, THE PARKING LOT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          YOU, I DON'T WANNA PUT A PARKING LOT IN AT WORK TIME BECAUSE OF THE FROST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE FACILITY OPEN AND NOT HAVE THE GRASS PROPERLY. 
          EVERYTHING DONE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA OPEN IT UP UNLESS IT'S PERFECT. 
          SO HOW WILL THERE BE ACCESS TO THE TENNIS FACILITY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT? UM, THE PARKING LOT, THE ORIGINAL PARKING LOT IS NOT GONNA BE TOUCHED TILL NEXT, TILL THE SPRING. 
          AND BY THAT TIME THE BUBBLE WILL BE DOWN, THE BUILDING CAN COME DOWN, EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE. 
          THE, THE OTHER AREAS CAN BE DONE. 
          AND THE BUBBLE, THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND THE PARKING LOT. 
          THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, UH, THE MAP THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW THAT SEAN SHOWED THE LIGHT, THE PARKING AREA GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE THE MIDDLE LIGHT IS IN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND BILL CAN CONFIRM I GUESS WHERE THE, THAT, THAT STOCKADE FENCE IS. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHOSE IT IS. 
          THE PARKING LOT. 
          IT ACTUALLY HAS A ROUNDABOUT THERE. 
          SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING, THE PARKING LOT. 
          EVEN IF, IF WE WERE TO PUT UP THE BUILDING, WE STILL WON'T AFFECT THE PARKING LOT DURING THE WINTERTIME. 
          SO THE PARKING LOT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE STARTED. 
          IT PARKING LOT PROBABLY WON'T BE STARTED TILL, UH, IN THE SPRINGTIME. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA BUILD A PARKING LOT. 
          UM, I GREW UP IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS. 
          MY FATHER WAS, THAT'S WHAT HE DID, SOLD STUFF TO, TO ROAD CONTRACTORS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA BUILD A PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A DISASTER. 
          THE PARKING LOT WON'T BE STARTED UNTIL THE BUBBLE'S DOWN UNTIL THE SPRINGTIME. 
          BUT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING, THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING LOT THERE THAT, THAT I WON'T AFFECT PART OF THE PARKING AT ALL. 
          WILL IT BE A INCONVENIENCE? MAYBE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT WON'T BE ANYTHING UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL AND THE BUBBLE COMES DOWN IN MAY. 
          SUPPOSEDLY THE BUBBLE DIDN'T GET DOWN TILL A WEEK AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          IT BILL, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE NOTICE? HOLD, HOLD ON A SECOND. 
          LET'S, I, I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE JUST YET. 
          SO THE BUBBLE DIDN'T COME DOWN UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME DOWN EARLIER IN THE SPRING. 
          RIGHT? IS THERE, IS THERE A POINT IN TIME WHEN PEOPLE STOP USING IT AND THEN THE, THE BUBBLE MAY STAY OPEN BUT PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING THERE TO USE IT? THERE MIGHT BE THE BUBBLE HAS TO COME, THE BUBBLE HAS, IS NOT IN USE AFTER MAY 31ST. 
          I THINK THAT, YEAH, THAT WHAT JIM, 
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WHAT KIM IS REFERENCING IS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY SUBJECT TO AN EXISTING LEASE. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T OWN IT YET, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO, BUT THAT EXISTING LEASE, AND IT'S ACTUALLY PARAGRAPH FIVE SAYS THAT BY MAY 31ST OF EACH YEAR, THE BUBBLE IS TO BE DISMANTLED AND REMOVED BY THE RACKET CLUB. 
          RIGHT. 
          I GUESS THE FACT THAT THAT TOOK PLACE, THE, THE FACT THAT THAT TOOK PLACE LATER THAN THAT THIS YEAR, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, SO WE WEREN'T IN A POSITION TO ENFORCE ANY PROVISION OR LEASE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE LEASE DOES. 
          AND I MEAN, I ASK THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND, AND MAYBE IT'LL GET ANSWERED, THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, PERIOD. 
          UM, IS THERE A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN PEOPLE STOP USING THE BUBBLE BECAUSE THEY COULD PLAY TENNIS OUTSIDE. 
          SO WOULD THERE BE A, A TIME THAT COULD BE AGREED UPON WHERE THE PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION COULD START AND NOT INTERFERE WITH EITHER SIDE, EITHER PERSON'S PLAN? WELL, THAT, THAT'S I GUESS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND, AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S, UH, BILL, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES. 
          THE COMMENT WOULD BE THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING THERE, UH, ON THE, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS PART OF THE PARKING AREAS. 
          SO ARE YOU GOING IS ISN'T ISN'T THAT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE PARKING LOT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S AN EXISTING ROUNDABOUT THAT HAS PARKING THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE EVEN WHEN THE PARKING LOT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING PARKING LOT ISN'T EVEN GOING EXISTING. 
          PARKING LOT ISN'T GONNA BE THERE. 
          THE PARKING LOT IS OVER ON THE SIDE WHERE THE BUBBLE IS AND WHERE THE BASKETBALL COURT IS AND, AND WHERE THE OTHER TENNIS COURTS ARE. 
          SO WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT IT. 
          I MEAN, THE PARKING LOT EVENTUALLY THAT'S THE EXISTING PARKING LOT WILL BE A ROUNDABOUT. 
          IT'LL BE A LANDSCAPE AREA TO ENTER THE FACILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT, THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT CAN STAY THERE UNTIL THE LANDSCAPING GETS DONE. 
          SO THEY HAVE PARKING. 
          THEY WILL HAVE PARKING AND THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE FACILITY. 
          SO, SO THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT CAN STAY THERE YES. 
          UNTIL AFTER THE, THE NEW PARKING LOT IS COMPLETED. 
          SURE. 
          SO THEN PEOPLE CAN PARK IN THE NEW PARKING LOT BEFORE THE LANDSCAPING GOES IN TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO THIS IS, AND AGAIN AND AGAIN OVER THIS WINTER, IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA TOUCH RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA START UNTIL THE SPRING. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. RILEY, BILL, THIS IS DREW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING AND WHATEVER. 
          IT'S NOT PART OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          IT'S NICE THAT HE'S SHARING THAT WITH US AFTER THE PROJECT IS CONSTRUCTED. 
          THE SITE PLAN MUST PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE DOME. 
          HOW HE PROVIDES ACCESS DURING, DURING CONSTRUCTION IS NONE OF OUR, OUR, OUR ISSUE. 
          WE DO NOT CONTROL CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING. 
          WE CANNOT. 
          UM, SO IT'S GOOD QUESTIONS AND I'M, I'M GLAD THE PUBLIC IS HEARING THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE, IF WE THINK WE'RE CONTROLLING CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING. 
          UM, SO, UM, BUT I AGREE THE SITE PLAN HAS TO SHOW ACCESS TO ALL USES ON THE SITE, ALL THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, ET CETERA. 
          BUT PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, BUT WE CAN READ THE NOTICE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. MCCORMICK. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SORRY. 
          NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF CAMPBELL BEGINNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY JAMES CLEARY TO CONSTRUCT A WEDDING EVENT VENUE AT 6 6 5 3 TAYLOR ROAD. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 5TH, 2020 VIA WEBEX AND CAN BE VIEWED ON THE TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK FACEBOOK PAGE. 
          COMMENTS ARE WELCOME. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY, SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ALREADY AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT I WILL DO IS JUST GO THROUGH AND READ THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ALREADY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE. 
          UM, FIRST ONE I SEE 
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IS LL GILLETTE, HOPING THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS USING ACTUAL NUMBERS HU CAN HOLD AND NOT USE OF UBER OR LYFT. 
          SECOND COMMENT, MARY HAYES. 
          DOES MR. CLEARY'S CURRENT SITE PLAN SHOW ACCESS TO THE HAMBURG RACK CLUB? UM, WENDY HOKE. 
          , WE APPRECIATE THE OFFER. 
          WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT MARY HAYES. 
          THE SITE PLAN SHOWS NO ACCESS. 
          MARY HAYES, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY INDICATION OF A WALKWAY. 
          MARY HAYES DOES THAT GO OVER THE DRAINAGE DITCH BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE BUBBLE? UH, MARY HAYES, WILL WE GET FLOODING FROM THE PARKING LOT ONTO THE TENNIS COURTS? UH, MARY HAYES, THE CURRENT WALKWAY WILL BE DEMOLISHED WITH THE WEDDING VENUE CONSTRUCTION. 
          MARY HAYES. 
          HOW WILL POTENTIAL FLOODING BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND HAMBURG RACKET CLUB CAROL GILLETTE? WILL PARKING SPACES BE DETERMINED BY ACTUAL HALL CAPACITY? MARY HAYES DURING CONSTRUCTION, HOW WILL ACCESS BE GUARANTEED? CAROL GILLETTE WON'T IT NEED AT LEAST 250 SPACES THEN? MARY HAYES? IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THE CURRENT LANDSCAPING WILL IMPACT OUR ACCESS TO MOVING EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT OF THE HAMBURG RACKET CLUB MAINTENANCE AREA. 
          UH, WENDY HOKE EVERDEEN DUMPSTERS WOULD ATTRACT ANIMALS. 
          IT WOULD BE BETTER IF A MR. CLEARY ORIGINALLY SAID FOR CATERER TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH. 
          UH, SUZANNE CIA. 
          UH, WHAT WAS, OH, HERE WE GO. 
          WHAT WAS THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON THE DUMPSTERS? HAROLD GILLETTE NEED MORE PARKING SPACES OR THIS WILL BE A TRAFFIC SAFETY HAZARD. 
          HAROLD GILLETTE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE TENNIS CENTER NEEDS FOR PARKING. 
          THE PARKING FOR THE WEDDING VENUE IS NOT SUFFICIENT. 
          MARY HAYES, THE HAMBURG RACKET CLUB IS OPERATIONAL NO EARLIER THAN SEPTEMBER 7TH AND MUST BE TAKEN DOWN NO LATER THAN MAY 31ST. 
          SUZANNE CHRISTIA. 
          WHAT ABOUT DURING CONSTRUCTION? MARY HAYES? OUR CURRENT WALKWAY IS WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE CURRENT BUILDING DURING DEMOLITION, THAT WALKWAY WILL BE INACCESSIBLE. 
          MARY HAYES BUBBLE TAKEDOWN OCCURRED TWO WEEKS AGO, ONLY DUE TO THE SAFETY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE VIRUS. 
          UH, I SKIPPED ONE. 
          MARY HAYES. 
          WE WERE NOT ALLOWED BY GOVERNOR CUOMO'S PAUSE ORDER TO TAKE IT DOWN SOONER. 
          MARY HAYES, WE DO NOT PLAY TENNIS AFTER MAY 31ST OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 7TH. 
          EVEN WHEN THE BUBBLE IS DOWN, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO WALK TO THE TENNIS BUBBLE DURING DEMOLITION. 
          AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THE MOST RECENT COMMENT. 
          UM, MR. HOPKINS, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE COMMENTS? UH, NO. 
          NO, I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I, I READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. 
          THEY'LL BE PART OF THE MINUTES. 
          UM, WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCESS. 
          YOU CAN ADDRESS ANY, UH, ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED IN THOSE COMMENTS. 
          AND I CAN, I CAN DO THAT. 
          I'LL DO THAT, BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BILL, I THINK THAT, UH, MR. HOPKINS AND MR. CLEARY, BECAUSE THAT IS ON A PUBLIC PAGE AND WAS POSTED PUBLICLY, IF THEY GO TO THE TOWNSHIP OF LAMB PLANNING BOARD FACEBOOK PAGE, BE A MEMBER OF FACEBOOK TO DO. 
          SEAN DOESN'T HAVE IT. 
          SEAN DOESN'T HAVE SEAN DOESN'T HAVE IT FACEBOOK THOUGH. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          YOU DON'T NEED A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT TO VIEW IT PUBLIC. 
          I KNOW. 
          OR CAN YOU NOT DO IT WITHOUT, WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          I'LL GET, WE CAN PROBABLY ACCESS IT, BUT TO, TO REALLY ENSURE THAT THE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE HE HAS THE COMMENTS. 
          UM, YEAH, WHEN I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE SARAH, SARAH, FORWARD THEM TO ME AS SHE ALWAYS DOES. 
          I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, AND AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS, THIS COMMENT PERIOD WILL STAY OPEN UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. 
          SO I'M SURE WE'LL GET MORE COMMENTS BY EMAIL AND POSSIBLY OTHER METHODS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT SITE PLAN. 
          I THINK THAT DATA SITE PLAN ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE ISSUES BOTH IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS, 
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OR HOPEFULLY IT WILL ADDRESS, I GUESS WE CAN'T SAY THAT IT WILL WHEN WE SEE IT. 
          UM, SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JAMES CLEARY UNTIL AUGUST 19TH WITHOUT CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION. 
          MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY MR. SHAW. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          BILL. 
          BILL, THIS IS DREW. 
          ONE OF THE ASSIGNMENTS I THINK I HEARD OUT OF THIS WAS I WILL GET YOU FROM THE MANUALS. 
          WHAT IS TYPICAL SPARK PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR AN EVENT CENTER? I KIND OF REMEMBER AS BEING ONE SPACE PER THREE, BUT I NEED TO GET YOU QUOTES AND WHATEVER FROM MANUALS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S YOUR DECISION, GIVE YOU SOME CRITERIA OF WHAT'S USUALLY DONE FOR EVENT CENTERS. 
          IT'S NOT ONE SPACE FOR EVERY PERSON. 
          I KNOW THAT IT'S ONE FOR THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'LL GET THE, THE MANUALS ON PARKING. 
          YEAH, THAT THAT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S ONE FOR THREE, THEN 99 FITS A 250 PERSON EVENT CENTER. 
          IF IT'S ONE FOR TWO, THEN IT DOESN'T, THEN IT DOESN'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST LEAVE, GIVE YOU SOME STANDARDS. 
          I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE LAST ONE. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE WE JUDGING ON? THAT 99 SPACES IS ADEQUATE FOR 250% EVENT CENTER. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF STUDIES DONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON PARKING CALCS AND WHATEVER AND HOW THE SIZE PARKING LOTS, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MICHAEL STA REQUESTING AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA PER NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW SECTION TWO 80 DASH A FOUR. 
          BE LOCATED AT 3 6 0 1 SOUTH CREEK ROAD. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN THIS IS, OKAY, UH, HOLD ON. 
          SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY'S GOT THEIR MIC ON AND ALSO HAS A FACEBOOK PAGE OPEN OR SOMETHING, OR I, I'M HEARING MY FEEDBACK. 
          JENNY SAID IT WAS MOSTLY JIM CLEARY AND, UH, HOPKINS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF, IF THEY'RE DONE, IF WE CAN KICK THEM OFF. 
          BILL, CAN I TELL YOU, I THOUGHT I JUST READ THE PLAN. 
          THE, UH, TOWN BOARD SAID THEY, HE WITHDREW. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT. 
          DOUG, DOUG, DOUG, THE SUPERVISOR WAS MISTAKEN ABOUT WHICH PROJECT WAS TALKING. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE, SARAH, BUT LET, LET'S, CAN WE FIGURE OUT WHO'S HAVING AN AUDIO PROBLEM AND, AND, AND TRY AND SOLVE IT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW I CAN HEAR MYSELF AGAIN. 
          UM, SO, BUT WE HAVE TO DO A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD. 
          MAY, MAY I HELP WITH THIS RIGHT AT THIS POINT? UM, IT IS MICHAEL RO, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ON SOUTH CREEK ROAD LOOKING FOR THE ODA. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AND, UH, I, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP AND THE TOWN EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR HELP IN OUR PURSUING AN ODA. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE DISCOVERING SOFT COSTS FOR THE PROJECTS ARE LIKELY TO EXCEED OUR CAPACITY TO HANDLE, THEREFORE MAKING THE PROJECT IMPRACTICAL. 
          WE, OUR INTEREST IS TO CONTINUE OUR PROJECT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. 
          WE ARE ELIMINATING THE CREATION OF A SUB MINOR SUBDIVISION, INSTEAD WORK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF RA ZONING. 
          SO OVER MY 40 YEARS IN CONSTRUCTION, I HAVE MANAGED THREE NEW HOME PROJECTS ON SOUTH CREEK ROAD. 
          I'VE ALSO MANAGED, UH, THREE OTHER CONSTRUCTION OUT OF BOSTON AS WELL AS THREE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          UH, ONE IN HAMBURG, A COUPLE IN ORCHARD PARK, OR ONE IN ORCHARD PARK AND ONE IN ELLICOTTVILLE. 
          UM, MIKE AND EMILY WHO, UH, ARE THE CLIENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND MYSELF ARE STILL WORKING A PLAN THAT WOULD, UH, FIT THE PARAMETERS OF THE RA ZONING. 
          AND WE ARE, UH, HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, OBTAIN ALL THE PROPER PERMITS AND BE CAPABLE OF CONTINUING THE PROJECT, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR RA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA REQUEST AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO 
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DO YOU WANT US TO TABLE THIS PROJECT FOR YOU TO WORK OUT THOSE THINGS? THE PARAMETERS IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HOPING THAT WE COULD DO TODAY? OR? WELL, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE OF YOUR, UH, OUR REQUIREMENTS WITH YOUR BOARD AT THIS POINT. 
          IF WE WERE TO RETRACT THE INTEREST IN THE ODA, BUT ALSO WE DO HAVE, UH, A PLAN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED PRETTY FAR ALONG SINCE EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY THERE AS FAR AS OUR INTEREST IN ACTUALLY PURSUING, UH, THE, UM, BUILDING, UH, A HOME, UH, FOR MIKE AND EMILY. 
          SO, WHICH THEY WOULD ACTUALLY THEN TAKE THE REINS OF ONCE WE MAKE THE, UH, UH, THE PROPERTY SEPARATION AND THEREFORE THEIR PURCHASING OF THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WHAT IS IT YOU'RE HOPING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD DO TODAY? UH, WELL, IF THERE'S ANY, ANY ASSISTANCE THAT YOU CAN GIVE US IN, YOU KNOW, LEADING US, YOU KNOW, ALONG THAT PATH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED OF YOUR BOARD, BUT, UH, IT'S SIMPLY THAT THE ODA JUST BECAME OVERSIZED FOR OUR ABILITY TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT APP. 
          MIKE, AND YES, MIKE, THIS IS SARAH. 
          WHY DON'T YOU CALL ME OR COME IN, UM, TOMORROW AT YOUR CONVENIENCE AND WE'LL GO OVER WHAT IT IS YOU WANNA DO IN THAT. 
          WELL, I, I'M ACTUALLY EXPLAINING WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT TO US IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO ANSWER AT THIS POINT, GREAT. 
          WE'RE PRETTY PREPARED IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, SO THIS IS DREW, UM, THE, UH, TOWN PLANNER ALONG WITH SARAH. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO DO SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE LAYING OUT YOUR LOT SO YOU DO NOT NEED SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? WELL, I, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT, EXCEPT FOR THE TERM LOTS. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT I HAVE ONE CLIENT TO PURCHASE A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THAT LOT WOULD THEN FIT ALL THE PARAMETERS OF THE RA ZONING AND I WOULD MAINTAIN THE, THE REMAINING ACREAGE AND FRONTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE LIVING THE LIFE I LIVE ON SOUTH CREEK ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND STILL SIT DOWN WITH SARAH AND THE CODE DEPARTMENT, MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS THAT THEY'RE, OKAY. 
          I'M HOPING THAT LOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE HOUSE ON HAS FRONTAGE ON THE HIGHWAY, RIGHT? A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. 
          YOU CAN DO A HUNDRED FOOT FRONTAGE. 
          THE LOTS ARE, THERE'S A COUPLE LOTS THAT HAVE NO FRONTAGE THERE. 
          WELL CORRECT THAT, THAT, THAT PATH WAS ANYWAYS, THAT, THAT PATH KIND OF, UH, CAME INTO EXISTENCE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF HOW TO, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DOES EXPAND, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT AND DEEP. 
          SO IT WAS TRYING TO, BUT THE COMPLICATION AND THE, AGAIN, THE SOFT COST JUST SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THE PROJECT IN AN AREA WE COULDN'T SEE BEING REALISTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          YOUR, YOUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PROBABLY COST US THROUGH THE ROOF TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          RIGHT? WELL, UH, THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT SEEMED TO BE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS WOULD BE A SIMPLER PATH. 
          THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR PLAUSIBLE PATHS, UH, AT THE ONSET. 
          AND IT TOOK A DETOUR WHEN THERE WAS THIS IDEA OF AN ODA. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I, I GUESS FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE CAN TABLE THIS WITHOUT SCHEDULING A TIME FOR YOU TO COME BACK. 
          IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AND THEN IF IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT AGAIN. 
          OR SARAH, WHAT DO YOU, SARAH AND DREW, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS FAR AS OUR  GOING FORWARD? I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT AND LEAVE IT. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF HE CHANGES HIS MIND, HE CAN COME BACK AND IF NOT, YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY IT'S NOT EVEN A TABLE. 
          IF HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE APPLICATION FOR AN OD, HAVE RIGHT DOWN SAY, ARE THERE ANY REGULATORY APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? UM, IF HE, IF HE CHANGED IT TO A SUBDIVISION, WOULD IT COME BACK IN FRONT OF US? YES. 
          YES. 
          A RESUB AND THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT 
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WOULD BE A NEW APPLICATION THAT WOULDN'T BE A MODIFYING RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          A NEW APPLICATION. 
          WE DON'T EVEN THE TABLE. 
          WE'LL JUST, I GUESS CLOSE THAT WITHOUT TAKING ANY ACTION AT THIS POINT. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, HEARING FROM YOU SOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, I HAVE THREE THINGS FOR OTHER BUSINESS WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, OH, SORRY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO PUT ON OUR AGENDA NEXT TIME IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS. 
          GLEN WETZELS REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE SIDEWALK TO MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM HIS APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLAN. 
          I THINK I SENT YOU HIS, HIS LETTER, THE PROPOSED PLAN, AND ALSO THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHOSE HOUSE THIS SIDEWALK WOULD COME WITHIN ABOUT TWO FEET OF. 
          SO IS THAT ACCEPTABLE THAT I PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? YES, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANNA DISCUSS, UH, ISSUES RELATING TO CHANGING THE SITE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT WAS DARK ON THE, SO I, I MOVED INSIDE SO I HAVE SOME LIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE WANNA PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, THE, WELL NOW PROJECT THAT'S BEING BUILT ON SOUTHWESTERN, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY THERE, UM, ARE FOUR HUGE SKYLINE LOCUST TREES ALONG SOUTHWESTERN. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE 60 FEET TALL. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS ASKING IF HE, HE FIRST ASKED IF HE COULD CUT THREE OF THOSE FOUR TREES DOWN AND REPLACE THEM WITH OTHER TREES ELSEWHERE. 
          AND I SAID NO. 
          AND THEN THEY ASKED IF THEY COULD CUT THOSE THREE TREES DOWN AND REPLACE THEM WITH A DIFFERENT SPECIES. 
          AND I SAID, NO. 
          NOW THEY'RE ASKING IF THEY CAN TAKE THOSE THREE TREES DOWN AND REPLACE THEM WITH THE EXACT SAME SPECIES. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE VISIBILITY TO THEIR BUILDING. 
          AND THEY SAID THIS WAY, IF THEY PUT A SMALL TREES IN, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY GET BIG. 
          BUT THAT BY THAT TIME PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M HIGH ENOUGH ON THE FOOD CHAIN TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, WE JUST GOT THIS TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE COMFORTABLE WEIGHING IN. 
          NO, I CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IF YOU WANT. 
          I MEAN, ME PERSONALLY, THE WAY I SEE IT, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING OUT BIG TREES TO REPLACE THEM WITH SMALL TREES AND HOPING THEY GROW INTO BIG TREES. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH PEOPLE KNOWING WHERE IT IS. 
          UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LARGE ESTABLISHED TREES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE DOWN. 
          I, I THINK WE'D, I, I'D RATHER SEE SOME TYPE OF APPLICATION ABOUT A SIGN OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I IT SEEMS LIKE AN URGENT CARE FACILITY WOULD BE A PLACE THAT DOESN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF DRIVE BY SERVICE. 
          PEOPLE PROBABLY PUT IN THEIR GPS AND HEAD THERE. 
          UM, I I, I DOUBT SOMEBODY'S GONNA DRIVE BY AND SAY, OH, THERE'S AN URGENT CARE CENTER. 
          I I NEED SOME TYPE OF CARE. 
          I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STOP MY, ON MY WAY TO THE STORE. 
          UM, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY VIEW. 
          WHAT DO, WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THINK? I DON'T WANNA SEE 'EM COME DOWN. 
          I DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY LARGE TREES ANYMORE. 
          WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OVER IN, UH, FAIRWOOD MEADOWS, YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK DOWN A WHOLE SLEW OF TREES, UH, AND THEY KNEW THIS GOING IN WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE SITE PLANT TO US, THEY KNEW THOSE TREES WERE THERE. 
          AND, UH, I JUST DON'T WANNA BACKDOOR IT AND LET 'EM TAKE IT OUT. 
          WE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE JUST APPROVED THE WELLCARE AND LOCKPORT, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. 
          IT'S SET WAY BACK IN, IN A PLAZA. 
          I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, . 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU, YOU, IF THEY WANT TO TELL 'EM THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT INTERESTED, BUT 
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IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK FOR A SITE PLAN MODIFICATION, THEY GOTTA GO ON THE PLANNING BOARD AGENDA. 
          SO I HEARD FROM TWO PEOPLE. 
          DO THE REST. 
          DO THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF YOU AGREE? I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE BY THE SITE, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS, I'M HARD PRESSED TO FIND A REASON WHY TO CUT THOSE TREES DOWN. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA TELL THEM NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          THE LAST THING IS THEY CAN COME IN FRONT OF US, BUT I, I DOUBT OUR ANSWER WOULD CHANGE. 
          SO, OKAY, THE LAST THING IS 3,800 LAKE SHORE ROAD, WHICH IS THE OLD UAW BUILDING IN FRONT OF, UH, DOME OR WHATEVER THAT RESTAURANT IS. 
          ROGER GIBSON WOULD LIKE TO GIVE, UH, THIS NEW BUSINESS OWNER A SITE PLAN WAIVER. 
          AND I THINK I SENT YOU THAT INFORMATION TOO. 
          NOTHING'S CHANGING TO THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AT ALL. 
          HE'S IN FAVOR OF A WAIVER, NOR NORMALLY WE WOULD JUST GIVE IT TO BILL TO SIGN, BUT HE WANTED ME TO JUST RUN IT BY THE PLANNING BOARD TO VERIFY THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT. 
          ARE THEY GONNA PUT UP A SIGN? I ASSUME SO. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          HE DIDN'T MENTION A SIGN. 
          ASK YOU IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT UP A SIGN IN THE PARKING LOT OR NEAR THE ROAD, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD COME IN FRONT OF US. 
          UM, IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUT A SIGN ON THE BUILDING AND THEN MAKE CHANGES INSIDE THE BUILDING, THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING BOARD SAY? WHAT'S GOING? NO, I THOUGHT SIGNS ARE NOT THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S ALL UP TO ROGER. 
          THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL SIGNS. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIGNS. 
          WHY, WHY PUT IT ON MAKE MORE EFFORT FOR GOING THROUGH THIS WAY THEN ROGER CAN TAKE CARE OF IT ALL BY HIMSELF. 
          THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH SIGNS. 
          UM, I THINK THE ARBY'S ON CAMP ROAD WAS A PROJECT THAT WE HAD WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THEY DID THEIR SIGN. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE LOOK AT LOCATION OF SIGN. 
          ROGER, ROGER DETERMINES SIZE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHATEVER, WHAT'S ALLOWED ON THE CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT HE IS SAYING HERE IS IT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. 
          IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN APPLICATION. 
          HE WANTS TO CONSIDER A SITE PLAN WAIVER. 
          'CAUSE IT'S ONLY A CHANGE OF USE IN THE BUILDING. 
          A MINOR CHANGE OF USE. 
          HE'S ASKING FOR YOUR ADVICE. 
          SO WE COULD GIVE HIM SOME INPUT. 
          AND BILL, YOU'RE ON, YOU HAVE TO SIGN THE SITE PLAN WAIVER ON THE SIGN IF WE'RE FEARFUL ABOUT THE LOOKS OF THE SIGN. 
          BUT IT DEPENDS UPON, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE IS DOING. 
          HE HAS TO MEET, MEET STANDARDS. 
          A LOT OF THEM ONES, I THINK REQUIRE THAT TO BE A GROUND MOUNTED. 
          THEY ONLY CAN BE SO MANY SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER. 
          SO YEAH, WE HAVE A VERY, WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SIGN CODE NOW. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW POLE SIGNS ANYMORE. 
          AND, UH, SIGN CODE'S PRETTY TIGHT. 
          WHICH ONE IN THERE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IT'S A VIRTUAL, LIKE VIRTUAL, VIRTUAL GAMING PLACE. 
          LIKE A ESCAPE ROOM AND VIRTUAL REALITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD FIT IN WELL WITH PONIES AND THE GO-KART TRACK AS A PLACE TO KIND OF EAT SOME HOT DOGS AND HANG OUT AND DO, YEAH. 
          AND, AND BUILD THE SAFETY VALVE WE HAVE IS YOU, IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU SEE THE FINAL SITE PLAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY NO, I THINK IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THAT IS HOW IT'S SET UP FOR SITE PLAN WAIVER IS THAT WE HAVE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          SARAH SIGNS IT, YOU SIGN IT. 
          AND WHO ELSE, I FORGET ONE OTHER. 
          ENGINEERING. 
          ENGINEERING. 
          ENGINEERING. 
          AND IF ANYBODY SEES ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, THEY SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          SO JUST CONFIRMING THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          NO, BUT IT'S A CHANGE OF USE WITH NO EXTERIOR CHANGES. 
          NO, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          ROGER. 
          ROGER, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          ROGER HAD AN INTERESTING TIME TRYING TO CATEGORIZE THIS USE. 
          YEAH, HE DID. 
          HE WAS WENT AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND ON, ON WHAT WE CALL THIS USE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE, JUST LIKE THE COWORKING SPACE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          VIRTUAL REALITY ROOMS. WHAT DO THEY FIT UNDER? ENTERTAINMENT RECREATION HALL. 
          I MEAN, THE SAME, I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING AS AN ARCADE THAT HAD VIDEO GAMES. 
          RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST VIDEO GAMES, I THINK. 
          I DUNNO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ROGER HAD FUN. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH WHEN WE GET THESE NEW TYPE USES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INTERPRET HOW THEY FIT IN CODE. 
          SO WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS THINK IS IT, IS IT PSYCH PLAN WAIVER? DO WE WANNA SEE IT? WELL, I THINK YOU'LL END UP SEEING IT EVENTUALLY AND IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE THINGS THAT I WOULD, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THERE THAT I DON'T EXPECT, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, MAYBE ISSUES WITH THE SIGN. 
          I, I WOULD PREFER IT BACK TO US. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING ME LOOK AT IT 
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AND, UM, I THINK I, I ARTICULATED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS TO HAVE ME BRING IT BACK. 
          ANY CHANGES THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, OF COURSE I'D REFER IT BACK TO US. 
          SO IF, IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE'LL DO IT THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE NEED A I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          UM, DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR A SITE PLAN WAIVER? NO, NO, JUST DO IT. 
          ROGER'S JUST ASKING YOUR ADVICE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, SO OUR ADVICE IS, UH, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, BILL, YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY, NOPE, SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S GETTING VERY LATE. 
          I KNOW. 
          I, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN CHECKLISTS IN, UH, UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. 
          I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, I THOUGHT I HAD THAT RESOLVED, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS COME IN IN THE LAST FEW DAYS REQUESTING IN-PERSON MEETINGS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WANNA DEAL WITH THAT. 
          WE WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR ATTORNEY. 
          DO WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT TONIGHT? DO WE WANNA TRY AND DO IT A DIFFERENT DAY? UM, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BEFORE NOTICE HAS TO GO OUT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. 
          WELL, I'M 73 YEARS OLD AND I'D MUCH RATHER DO IT HERE UNTIL EVERYTHING, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEBODY LOOKING ME IN THE EYE TO, TO BENEFIT THEM NOW. 
          I'M JUST NOT READY TO GO BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, I GOT SOME ISSUES AND, UH, . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, DENNIS, AND, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH IT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, I JUST WANT US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          UH, SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE GONNA FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION IF WE WANT TO TALK WITH OUR ATTORNEY? UH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF ANY DECISION WE MAKE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY. 
          BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT TONIGHT OR DO WE WANT TO TRY AND DO THAT ANOTHER DAY? I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CAN FIT IT IN THOUGH. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE, UM, ANY OBJECTION TO STAYING ON AFTER THIS MEETING CLOSES? STAYING ON ZOOM AND TALKING ABOUT IT WITH JENNIFER ATTORNEY? NO, I GOT NO PROBLEM. 
          WHAT ELSE? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          I DON'T WANNA KEEP PEOPLE TOO LONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'M NOT GONNA CONTINUE, DO YOU, UM, YEAH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT THEN, THEN LET US KNOW. 
          DOUG. 
          UM, I THINK I KNOW YOUR POSITION ON IT, SO I'LL DO MY BEST TO SHARE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING MEETINGS BACK WHERE? BACK AT THE WHERE? UH, TOWN HALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, HOW ABOUT WE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS OR THE MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 15TH MEETING AS TYPED MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY MR. SHAW. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY, SO THIS CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. 
          IF WE CAN STOP THE LIVE STREAM.
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