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TUNNEL CAR WASH, IT'S A CAR WASH WITH BAYS.AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOT MADE TO PROCESS THE SAME VOLUME.
IT'S A SMALLER SCALE OPERATION.
THE TYPICAL PROCESSING TIME FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL CAR IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO FIVE MINUTES.
AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE SAME NEED FOR STACKING SPACES OR THE SAME OVERALL DEMAND FOR, UH, THE SAME TRAFFIC DEMAND AS A TYPICAL CAR WASH PROJECT.
SO, BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, IF IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES TO PROCESS YOUR VEHICLE AND YOU'RE THE FIFTH CAR IN LINE, YOU VERY QUICKLY KNOW THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO WAIT 25 MINUTES.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE WON'T DO THIS.
IT'S MORE CONVENIENCE AMENITY FOR TYPICALLY RESIDENTS CLOSER IN THAT VICINITY, MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE BUSINESS THAN A REGIONAL SCALE BUSINESS.
UH, CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN AT ALL WITH THE LAYOUT, RIGHT? EVERYBODY, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THIS? THAT HERE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S LOCATED IN THE CORNER OF CAMP IN FRANKLIN STREET.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB ON CAMP ROAD THAT WE REUSED AS AN EXIT.
ONLY THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON FRANKLIN STREET.
THAT'S A TWO WAY, TWO EIGHT DRIVEWAY.
UH, YOU'D, YOU'D THEN TURN OFF OF FRANKLIN TAKE A RIGHT INTO THE STACKING LANE TO GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH.
AND WHEN YOU EXIT, YOU HAVE THE CHOICE OF EXITING ON THE CAMP ROAD AND LEAVING WHERE YOU CAN TURN AND GO BACK.
AND THERE'S FREE VACUUMS. IF YOU GET A CAR WASH, THE VACUUM COMES ALONG WITH THE CAR WASH.
UNLIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE DONE.
IT IS GATED OFF JUST SO ANYBODY CAN'T JUST PULL IN THERE AND VACUUM THE CAR.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU WOULD EXIT OUT THE, THE FRANKLIN STREET ENTRANCE EXIT.
SO YOU CAN'T ENTER ON FROM CAMP? NO, THE ONLY ENTRANCE IS ON FRANKLIN.
THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY CAMP ROAD IS A NEW YORK STATE HIGHWAY, UH, CHRIS AND I ARE VERY FAMILIAR AND I'M SURE DREW AND SARAH WITH DOT'S POLICY RELATIVE TO CONTROLLED ACCESS ON STATE HIGHWAYS.
SO RATHER THAN HAVE ENGAGE IN A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, WE WE KNEW THAT'S WHAT THEY'D WANT.
SO THAT'S HOW WE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA REUTILIZE THE EXISTING CURB CUT.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE WE APPROVED, UH, AN INSURANCE OFFICE AND A T-SHIRT PLACE.
BUT I GUESS THEY DIDN'T BUILD IT.
SO IT BACKS UP ONTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, CHRIS, I, ON THE DIAGRAM IS A VERY GOOD DIAGRAM ON THAT.
EXPLAIN HOW THAT PROCESS IS WORKING.
I REMEMBER LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A GATE WHERE THEY PULL UP TO IT.
AND THEN JUST THE, THE, THE, THE PRESENCE OF THE CAR WHILE OPEN, THE GATE COMING, EXITING.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING IN, IT LOCKS IT SO NOBODY CAN GO THE WRONG WAY.
SO ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT EXIT GATE, AND I CHANGED MY MIND HERE, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE BATHROOM.
HAVE I GOTTA ALL THE WAY AROUND, YOU CAN'T GET BACK TO THE BATHROOM, YOU WITHOUT GOING TO THE CARWASH.
SO YOU HAVE TO ALL WAY AROUND.
WELL TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE TO USE THE CAR WASH.
RIGHT? YOU THE CAR CANNOT BACK, GET BACK TO RIGHT.
AND OR YOU CAN EXIT ON THIS CAMP ROPE BOTH RIGHT.
IF YOU GET CONFUSED, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE SECOND CAR WASH FOR FREE.
BUT I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S BASED ON A MONTHLY, IT IS A MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION, RIGHT? THIS, YEAH.
IT'S LARGELY, IT'S LARGELY, AND THIS IS THE TREND IN THE INDUSTRY.
IT'S LARGELY A SUBSCRIPTION BASED MODEL, MEANING YOU PAY ONE FEE AND YOU CAN COME WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOU WHENEVER YOU WANT DURING, BUT IT'S NOT SOLELY, AND YOU ALSO SAID THEY CAN EXIT OUT OF FRANKLIN, BUT ONLY FROM THE CENTER SECTION.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY THEY CAN IS ALL ENC CLOSED? SO WHEN THEY EXIT, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT STACKING, LIKE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THE BACK AND THERE'S FRANKLIN PARK IS BACK THERE, SO THEY COME AND GO.
THAT'S, THEY'RE ONLY IN AND OUT.
RIGHT? WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO PUSH THE DRIVEWAY BACK AS FAR FROM CAMP ROAD ON FRANKLIN AS WE COULD TO PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE DISTANCE BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE INTERSECTION AND THE DRIVEWAY TO PROVIDE A GOOD AMOUNT OF STACKING THERE.
BUT WE, WE ENVISION MOST OF THE CARS EXITING OUT THE CAMP ROADSIDE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY GET A VACUUM AFTER EVERY CAR WASH YOU GET.
AND TYPICALLY THEY SHOW IN DRAWINGS IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKING FOR A CAR WASH, YOU MAY GET HOW MANY VEHICLES STACKED HERE.
AND IF YOU PULL IN OFF OF FRANKLIN FROM THIS POINT HERE TO, TO GET IN THE CAR WASH, HOW MANY CARS DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STACK HERE? I THINK WE CAN STACK ABOUT 20.
ABOUT 20 IN EACH LANE? NO, 10 IN EACH LANE.
AND YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S FIVE MINUTES, I'D HAVE TO, THAT'D BE A 50 I COULD SAY AND SAY WAIT FOR 50 MINUTES.
AND I DO KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE CAR WASH IS THE DELTA SONIC IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THESE TYPE OF DELTA SONICS HAVE HUGE AMOUNT.
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IN FACT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN IT E MANUALS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY GENERATE AND WHATEVER.I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THIS WAS A GEL SONIC, YOU WOULD STACK CARS DOWN ON THE FRANKLIN, BUT YOUR NOT RIGHT.
UH, YOUR TYPICAL LASER WASH, WHICH IS ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES.
AND UH, YOUR TUNNEL CAR WASH, WHICH IS LIKE A MINUTE.
TUNNEL CAR WASH IS THE LONGER LIKE A GEL SONIC.
IT PULLS YOUR, IT PULLS YOUR CAR THROUGH SITTING.
THIS ONE YOU, YOU PULL IN, YOU SIT IN A STATIONARY BAY AND WASH YOUR CAR AND THERE'S A SECOND BAY YOU PULL UP WHERE IT DRIVES IT.
SO THEN ANOTHER CAR CAN BE IN THE WASH BAY ONE, THERE'S ONE IN THE DRY BAY.
OH, YOUR SECOND SELF SERVICE OR SELF WASH.
YEAH, IT'S AUTOMATED, BUT NOT, NOT LIKE A WAND.
YOU SIT IN YOUR CAR AND IT WASHES YOUR CAR.
YOU DON'T WASH YOUR CAR YOURSELF.
YOU DON'T EVEN GET OUTTA YOUR CAR.
I WAS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT OTHER BUILDING, WE HAD TO GO THERE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LAND THERE.
AND THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT, HOW CLOSE ARE YOU GONNA BE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT? I GO BY THERE TODAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR 200 FEET, 160, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS APPROXIMATELY 160 FEET.
SO YOU'RE SHORT OF THE MINIMUM 500.
BUT THE WAY, THE WAY THE CODE READ, IT'S TO A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.
THE, THE IMPORTANT, THE IMPORTANT PART IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROVISION AND THE ZONING CODE, IT'S NOT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
AND CHRIS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS? WELL, WE'RE ABOUT 185 FEET.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 185 FEET TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
SO OKAY, SO YOU'RE STILL SHORT 15 FEET.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OF 200 FEET.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE THINGS, BUT IT'S POSSIBLY SHORTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
TO GET TO DOES THAT THE PLANNING, IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT.
THE TOWN BOARD SET THE REQUIREMENT.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET A VARIANCE PERMIT.
IT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT CANNOT ISSUE, ESPECIALLY THIS PERMIT FOR IF IT'S WITHIN 200 FEET OF A STRUCTURE.
SO YOU NEED TO WORK ON THAT ISSUE.
AND THAT'S MY ONE ISSUE I BRING UP IN THE MEMO IS THAT YOU GOTTA WORK ON THAT ISSUE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR PRELIMINARY INPUT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE TAKE THAT.
IF IT WAS A ZONING, SPECIFIC ZONING REQUIREMENT, YOU COULD GO TO THE ZBA AND GET A VARIANCE.
BUT THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT TO GET SPECIALTY USE PERMIT.
LIKE WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR AUTOMOTIVE USES LIKE CAR DEALERSHIPS TO BE ON CERTAIN HIGHWAYS.
YOU CAN'T GET, YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON A DIFFERENT HIGHWAY.
THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THIS, IT'S 200 FEET.
THAT'S THE OBJECT IN THE SKETCH PLAN TO GET THE DIRECTION FROM 'EM.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGE LANDSCAPE HERE IN THE BACK.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT, WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE HEADLIGHTS SHINING INTO, INTO THE RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, WE MOST LIKELY HAVE A FENCE BACK THERE.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION TYPICALLY? RANDY? TYLER, WE KNOW THE HOURS OPERATION.
I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT.
UM, NOT THAT WE EVEN RESTRICT, I KNOW YOU DON'T REGULARLY.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES
IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO HOS OVER ON SOUTH PARK OR BUSES OR ANY OF THOSE.
A MAINTENANCE MAINTAINS IT ONCE IN A WHILE.
AND I SEE YOU HAVE, I SEE YOU HAVE, UM, A DUMPSTER IN CULTURE ON THIS, ON THIS DIAGRAM IS HOW BIG IS THAT DUMPSTER? I KNOW IT'S CLOSE.
HOW, HOW'S IT GONNA BE REMOVED? I MEAN, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT DUMPSTER, THE DUMPSTER BE ACCESSED FROM, FROM THE STREET FROM HERE, FROM FRANKLIN STREET.
AND THEY, THEY COULD PICK UP AND DUMP AND THEN BACK UP AND OUT.
BUT THE IDEA THAT DUMPSTERS WHEN SOMEBODY BACK INTO THEIR CAR AND WHATNOT, THEY, THERE'S GARBAGE CANS THERE FOR THAT, THE OTHER GARBAGE AND STUFF.
AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEE GOES OUT AND FILLS THAT.
WELL, WE'LL DUMP THAT INTO THE DUMPSTER.
MEGAN, THAT'S A PORTION OF CAMP THAT GOES FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FOUR LANE, THE TWO LANE MARKING.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE LEFT HAND TURN COMING OUT OF THERE.
I BELIEVE THE TRANSITION IS, UM, FURTHER TO THE NORTH.
WE'LL CHECK THAT AND MAKE SURE WE SHOW THAT OR REPORT BACK IN THAT BIG PLAN.
BUT I KNOW IT IS, IT'S FURTHER NORTH.
I THINK THE TRANSITION IS IN FRONT OF AUTO HAMMERED AUTO CENTER BY STALEY DRIVE JUST ON ONE SIDE.
IS THAT RIGHT? I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL
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MAP FOR THE YEAH, ME TOO.YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOUR LANES AT THIS PART OF CAMP AND THEN IT TURNS TO TWO, UH, SOUTH OF STALEY.
STALEY NEXT IS THE NEXT SIDE STREET TO THE SOUTH.
STALEY THE NEXT SIDE TO THE SOUTH, NEXT SIXTH STREET WHERE IT'S GONE.
LIKE I THINK THE SIGNAGE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS CORNER.
THAT LOSE YOUR RIGHT HAND LANE? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT AND HAVE PRECISE INFORMATION ON THAT WHEN WE COME BACK.
SO IS THERE A LANDSCAPING PLAN? THE FILES THAT WERE ATTACHED, UM, THAT SARAH RECEIVED, THERE'S TWO FILES THAT SAY LANDSCAPE IN THE TITLE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH, UM, FROM DEGREE COUNTY ONLINE MAPPING APPLICATION.
SO THEY'RE JUST SHOWING THE PARCEL BOUNDARY AND BOTH THAT MEAN'S PRINTED IN LANDSCAPE, NOT PORTRAIT, BUT, UM, OH, OKAY.
WE DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN YET.
NEXT TIME WE COME FOR THE, THE OFFICIAL MEETING, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THERE'LL HAVE TO BE A LOT OF SCREENING FOR THE RESIDENTS AND ON THE NORTHERN BOARD OF THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN THAT, THAT LAST BUILDING WE APPROVED AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS SCREENING THE VIEW FROM FRANKLIN STREET OF THE BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO, AND THAT BUILDING IS YEAH, THAT BUILDING THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT YOUR BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS, DOESN'T GO THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE RIGHT.
SO THERE, LIKE WHERE THAT LOOP IS, THERE'D HAVE TO BE SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE, WE'LL PROVIDE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE IN HERE TO PROVIDE SCREENING OR FENCE OR YEAH.
SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE, IN THE BACK.
AND KEEP IN MIND, BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED AND ALL LIKELIHOOD, AND WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT'LL BE 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL.
WE CAN STAGGER THE BAYS TOO, WHERE YOU CAN PUSH THE ONE BAY UP CLOSER.
THAT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE YET.
WE'LL, WHEN WE COME BACK, BUT THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME KIND OF MONUMENT SIGN.
I THINK WE DID, WE DID SUBMIT A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE PROCESS, THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWS THE PROCESS.
ONCE THEY MAKE FULL APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN WITH ALL THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS, WE WOULD, ONCE WE REVIEW THAT, WE COULD CALL A A, A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SPECIALTY USE PERMIT.
AND YOU CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME.
THERE'S NO SENSE HAVING SPECIAL.
SARAH KNOWS TOO, UNDER THE LAW.
WE'RE IN THE CAMP ROAD OVERLAY VILLAGE TRANSITION AREA.
WE DO HAVE TO REFER THIS TO THE VILLAGE FOR COMMENT.
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS.
YOU HAVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS YOU MAKE A DECISION ON.
WELL, FIRST YOU MAKE A SECRET DECISION, THEN YOU MAKE A DECISION ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THEN ON SITE PLAN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER INPUT FROM INPUT FROM THE VILLAGE AND, AND THE OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF A PROCESS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT TO GET INPUT TO SAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THAT MEETING? LIKE 2,800.
YOU GUYS WANT SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS? I MEAN, I KNOW THESE DON'T GENERATE NU SOME, BUT I WOULD GET SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS AS TO SAY THERE'S A TYPICAL ONE OF THESE GENERATED FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
I WANNA SEE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, DREW.
WE'LL GET A TRIP GENERATION LETTER FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UM, AND AS YOU BROUGHT UP, LANDSCAPE PLAN IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
THEY HAVE PRESENTED A SKETCH OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKING AT SITE PLAN IS ARCHITECTURAL AND ESPECIALLY IN A VILLAGE TRANSITION AREA.
WE WANT TO KEEP THAT KIND OF TRYING TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS ALONG CAMP ROAD.
AS WE TRANSITION INTO THE VILLAGE, THEY ARE PRESENTING SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO RESOLVE THE 200 FOOTISH IF THE REST OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND MAKE SPECIFIC FINDINGS ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT RATING IS TOO FOR THAT AREA OF ROADWAY? IT, SINCE IT IS A STATE HIGHWAY, LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT ONCE SOMETHING'S PUT IN.
MEANING, MEANING WHAT ARE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUMES, RIGHT? LIKE IF SAY THIS PROJECT COMES IN MM-HMM
WHATEVER TRAFFIC VOLUME IS CAUSING THE INCREASE FROM THIS PROJECT, HOWEVER MINIMAL IT MAY BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT, RIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE? YEAH.
I THINK YOU'RE ASKING WHAT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT WILL RESULT IN ANY DEGRADATION DURING PEAK TRAVEL TIMES.
WE WE'LL TALK TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ABOUT THAT.
THEN I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT THEIR DEGRADATION PROBABLY MAKING A LEFT TURN ON THE CAMPER ON THAT AREA.
IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWESTERN IS, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA SEE A NUMBER THERE.
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BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE DON'T MAKE IT ANY WORSE.AND IT'S GONNA BE BASED UPON THE VOLUME AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT.
PROBABLY THERE'S NOT A GREAT VOLUME HERE, BUT WE WANNA SEE THAT INFORMATION THAT'S PART OF THE SECRET DECISION.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? RANDY? WHERE'S RANDY? DO YOU KNOW IF, UM, JOE BONKO BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE VILLAGE YET? UH, I BELIEVE HE WAS GONNA SPEAK TO THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY WHEN HE SEEN HIM.
HE WAS GONNA BRING IT UP THERE.
YEAH, WE HAVE TO GET A COMMENT.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO MORE JOINT PLANNING AT THE VILLAGE AND TOWN BOUND.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH, I I'M SORRY TO BE THIS, BUT YOU HAVE SIX, UH, VACUUM SPACE.
IS THERE A WAITING PLACE? A WAITING SOMEPLACE WHERE IF THERE'S SIX OH, THERE A PLACE I CAN WAIT TO USE THAT VACUUM OR JUST, WE, WE HAVE ABOUT 30 OR 40 FEET BETWEEN EXIT AT THE CAR WASH HERE TO GET TO GET THERE.
SO YOU COULD FIT, YOU COULD FIT LIKE THREE CARS GO AS A WAITING SPOT TO GET INTO THE VACUUM.
THERE'S ENOUGH, THERE'S A LITTLE DRIVEWAY HERE AND, AND PEOPLE CAN GET AROUND IT THAT AREN'T NO PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GONNA GO THROUGH THE WELL, IF I'M WAITING AND THEY WANNA VACUUM, I WAITING TOO.
BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WAIT.
CAN THEY GET AROUND ME? THEY CAN DO, WOULD GO OUT THIS WAY.
IF IT'S STACKED UP THAT MUCH, THE PEOPLE COMING OUT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT TO CAMP ROAD, LOOK TO THE LEFT AND SEE, HEY, PEOPLE ARE WAITING STACK, THEY'RE GONNA GET THESE CARS COMING OUT.
BUT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CAR HERE, CAR HERE, A CAR HERE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FIRST VACUUM SPOT.
SO YOU COULD STACK LIKE THREE CARS BEFORE THREE CARS OUTSIDE OF THE VACUUM SPOT AND NOT KNOWING WHICH ONE YOU'RE GET ON FIRST.
BUT YOU WOULD JUST WAIT AND THEN YOU WOULD, SO ARE THESE PREPAID? I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE STACKING CHRIS.
PREPAID TOKENS YOU GET OR IS IT YOU PUT OR IS IT, I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO, HOW IS IT? I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A PAY STATION WHERE YOU PAY WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD JUST LIKE YOU WOULD AT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER KIND OF AUTOMATED RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T WHERE IS THAT PAY STATION? IS THAT THEY'RE ON THERE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY TOPIC I, WELL I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST WONDERING, DID THEY DO A MARKET SURVEY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TROUBLE GETTING TIRE LAUNCHES APPROVED AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
I JUST WONDER IF THEY DID A, UH, A MARKETING STUDY.
SO AS PART OF THE OBTAINING THE NECESSARY FINANCING FOR THESE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE EXPENSIVE, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SATISFY A LENDER THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR THE SERVICES WE'LL BE PROVIDING.
THE ONLY OTHER TOPIC I WANT TO BRING UP IS, I THINK GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, KEEP IN MIND WHAT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A TYPE TWO ACTION.
SO IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO SECRET.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T PROVIDE TRAFFIC INFORMATION, BUT IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE CRITERIA FOR EVEN AN UNLISTED ACTION.
THE ONLY ONE ON THAT, SEAN, IS THERE'S SOME ARGUMENT AND THERE'S STILL SOME CASE LAW OUT THERE ON THE FACT THAT IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THE CASE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ESPECIALLY USE PERMITS NOT BE CONSIDERED AN ALLOWABLE USE TILL SHOWN TO BE.
SO IT'S A USE, IT'S A USELESS STATEMENT, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT.
WELL, LET'S, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO UNLESS THERE'S FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE BACK IN THE FUTURE, UH, WITH MORE ADVANCED PLANS.
DO YOU WANNA COME BACK, CHRIS? HOW MEETING IS IN THREE WEEKS? PROBABLY THREE WEEKS.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THE CALENDAR UP TO TABLE RANDY SCHMITZ CAR WASH TO OCTOBER 7TH, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
AND THAT'S FINE, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY HAVE TO GET THE COMPLETE APPLICATION IN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT MEETING TO BE ON THAT AGENDA.
WELL, MAYBE WE'RE CONTINUING TO DISCUSS IT ON OKAY.
THE, I THINK WHAT WE'LL IS SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT, THAT I GOT THAT.
SO LET'S, SO LET'S LEAVE IT ON, LET'S LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT FOR CONTINUED INFORMAL DISCUSSION.
THAT WAY WE WON'T DO OUR ENGINEERING, BUT WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED.
WE'LL HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND WE CAN TALK TO THE TRAFFIC MANAGER.
I JUST DIDN'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
SO WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RUM.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS ONE NATION BEHALF THE INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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OKAY, SO FOR THE PEOPLE HERE AND THE PEOPLE AT HOME AND THE PEOPLE WATCHING ON FACEBOOK, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH WHO, WHO'S UP HERE AND WHO THEY ARE.UM, AND WE'LL START IN THE CIRCLE.
UH, FIRST WE'VE GOT VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD, DOUG SHAW, UH, SARAH DI JARDEN, WHO IS THE TOWN'S PLANNER.
JAY, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME FROM IT.
UH, JENNIFER PUGLISI IS THE PLANNING BOARD'S ATTORNEY.
UM, ON THE SCREEN WE'VE GOT DENNIS CHAPMAN, MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MEGAN ERFORD, MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD, KAITLYN MCCORMICK, MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, CAMMY JARRELL, WHO IS THE TOWN ENGINEER.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, TARA MATTHIAS.
SHE IS, UH, THE APPLICANT ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS.
AND SINCE THERE'S A TRAVEL BAN, SHE CAN'T COME HERE.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
DREW RILEY IS THE TOWN'S PLANNING CONSULTANT, AND BOB MAHONEY IS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF US UP HERE.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CAROL LEASE REQUESTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 4 3 4 7 BETO DRIVE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROBERT PONIK FROM NUSS PALMER AND CLARK'S OFFICE.
UH, WE'RE LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG.
AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF CAROL AND WARREN LEASE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING, AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED, A APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT 43 47 BETO DRIVE, AS WELL AS ISSUANCE OF THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO SEEKERS BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD IN JUNE.
UM, THE LEASES OWN A PARCEL OF LAND ON BETO DRIVE, UH, THAT HAS 175 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL INTO TWO LOTS.
ONE OF THE LOTS WILL HAVE LESS THAN 90 FEET OF THE REQUIRED FRONTAGE.
AND IT WAS NECESSARY TO SECRETLY FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GRANT AN AN AREA VARIANCE, WHICH WAS DONE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.
AND THE ZONING BOARD APPROVED THAT, UH, THE LEASES PLANNED TO BUILD A NEW HOME FOR THEMSELVES ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND WHEN WE MET WITH THIS BOARD BACK ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, THEY ASKED, YOU HAD ASKED THAT WE PROVIDED A DRAWING SHOWING A PLAN OF THE HOUSE, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
IS THAT CORRECT, SETH? I'M SORRY? THE HOUSE, THE, UH, PLAN OF THE HOUSE ON IT? YES, THEY ALL HAVE IT.
THEY, YEAH, SOME, I THINK THE CHAIRMAN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY'RE BUILDING A SINGLE STORY RANCH HOME AND IT WILL FACE THE FRONT AND BE AT THE SAME SETBACK AS ALL THE OTHER HOMES ON THE STREET.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING GARAGE AND SHED ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA BE DEMOLISHED IN A DRIVEWAY THAT'S THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE AN ENTIRELY NEW HOME.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
CHERYL IS HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE HOMEOWNER AND CHAIRMAN, WE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH PARTS OF THE AF AND MAKE A SECRET DECISION BEFORE OPENING THE PUBLIC CARE.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY AT HOME? I REVIEWED THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE SAW A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT, UH, ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF CAM'S COMMENTS BEFORE WE FINALIZED.
THEY SEEM PRETTY MINOR COMMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, THE LATEST DRAWINGS, IT'S NOT CLEAR.
SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT THE SHED IS GONNA BE REMOVED AND THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT BLACK TOP EXISTING, I THINK BLACK TOP DRIVE TO THE EXISTING GARAGE YES.
THAT AND THOSE I BELIEVE ARE GONNA BE REMOVED.
SO I THINK I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JUST THE REVISED FINAL SITE, UM, ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS.
KAYLEN, CAN I HELP WITH THAT? WE'RE REVIEWING A SUBDIVISION PLAN.
WE'RE NOT REVIEWING A SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SEE WHERE WHERE THE HOUSE IS OR ANYTHING.
WHAT YOU CAN DO THOUGH, IS IF YOU APPROVE THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D WAIVE THE FILING, THE MET COVER, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE OR REMOVAL, PLEASE, WE SHOULD RELAY THOSE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS.
BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, FOR A SUBDIVISION PLAN, WE DON'T REVIEW A SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T, MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS NICE FOR THEM TO SHOW US THIS, BUT ACTUALLY THIS IS EXTRANEOUS INFORMATION ON A SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT TO SHOW THE FACT THAT THEY CAN PUT THE HOUSE ON THERE AND IT'LL
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WORK.BUT WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS, THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT'S THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS ON HOW TO LAY OUT.
SO BE CAREFUL TELLING THEM HOW TO DO IT BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND THE REASON I ASKED FOR THAT IS 'CAUSE WE, WE HAD A, A PROJECT SIMILAR WHERE IT WAS A FAMILY, RIGHT.
AND THE, THE, WE APPROVED THE SUBDIVISION AND WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE.
AND WHAT ACTUALLY WAS BUILT WAS A HOUSE WHERE, WHERE THE, THE FRONTS OF THE HOUSE FACE EACH OTHER.
BUT THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
AND IT'S, IT IS, UM, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU WANTED IT, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL IT WITHOUT KNOWING THE PERSON WHO'S GOT THE OTHER HOUSE.
BECAUSE BASICALLY YOUR FRONT YARDS ARE ALMOST SHARED.
SO I WANTED TO TO TO AVOID THAT SITUATION.
AND BILL, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? WE'LL JUST LET THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT KNOW THAT WE APPROVE THIS BASED UPON THE HOUSE FACING THIS WAY.
THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR SETTING A HOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE DRIVEWAY ON THE, ON THE LOT.
WE'LL REFER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S COMMENTS IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ENGINEERING ISSUE.
BUT REMEMBER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS TO LAY THAT HOUSE OUT AND WHATEVER.
BUT IT WAS GOOD CATCH THAT AT LEAST FACE THE FRONT ROAD.
SO AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL RIGHT.
UM, OF THE SUBDIVISION, NOT THE LAYOUT IS A CONDITION OF THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OVERLAYING THE YEAH, WE WOULD YOU WOULD MAKE A CONDITION THAT PASS ALONG THE ENGINEERING COMMENT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE ISSUING OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
WE CANNOT, WELL, I GUESS I'M WONDERING, CAN WE SUBDIVIDE A PROPERTY THROUGH A EXISTING BUILDING? THROUGH AN EXISTING BUILDING? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BECAUSE THE SHED IN THE GARAGE ARE STILL ON THERE.
THE GARAGE AND THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE SHED'S ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AND THE GARAGE IS, UM, SLATE TO BE DONE DEMOLISHED ON SEPTEMBER 20.
ADDITION THAT THEY'RE REMOVING THE, THE GARAGE, OBVIOUSLY.
SARAH, ALSO, SO THE GARAGE IS COMING OUT SEPTEMBER 29TH.
I HEARD, I HEARD SEPTEMBER 28TH.
THAT ALSO WHEN, UM, SHE RECEIVED HER VARIANCES, THAT WAS PART OF THE RECORD AS WELL THAT THE SHED AND THE GARAGE HAD COME DOWN.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BEEN, IT'S BEEN IMMORTALIZED I MEMORIAL.
WELL RETRACT MY QUESTION ABOUT THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
IF THE BOARD AND THESE ISSUES MAY COME UP, THE BOARD WOULDN'T MIND.
I WANT QUICKLY JUST GO THROUGH PART TWO OF THE SHORT FORM OF EAF.
THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WILL, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS METHOD, BUT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL CREATE A, A MATERIAL CONFLICT WITH ADOPTED LAND USE OR ZONING REGULATIONS.
THEY GOT THEIR VARIANCE AND THEY MEET ALL OF THEIR ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
WILL PRO THAT RESULT A CHANGE IN THE USE FOR INTENSITY OF THE USE OF LAND? NO.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT A HOUSE CAN FIT IN.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OR QUALITY OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY? AGAIN, I'M ANSWERING THESE, BUT IF YOU GUYS DISAGREE, LET ME KNOW THAT IT'S NOT CHANGING.
THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA.
THE NEXT QUESTION'S ABOUT A CEA.
WE'RE NOT WITHIN THE CEA, THE 18 MILES CREEK CEA WILL THEIR PROPOSE ACTION CREATE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM? UH, OR I IMPACT EXISTING MASS TRANSIT HIKING OR WALKWAYS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CAUSE AN INCREASE IN ENERGY OR FAILS TO INCORPORATE THE BUILDING? THE NEW HOUSE WILL BE BUILT TO THE BU THE NEW YORK STATE ENERGY CODES.
UM, UH, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPACT EXISTING PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT UTILITIES? THAT'S CAM'S COMMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
WILL THE PROS ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OF THE QUALITY OF IMPORTANT HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC RESOURCE? THERE ARE NONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
WILL PROS ACTION RESULT IN ADVERSE CHANGE TO WETLANDS, WATER BODIES, GROUNDWATER, AIR QUALITY FLOOR FAUNA? NO.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS UP ON THE MAPPER.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN INCREASE IN POTENTIAL FOR EROSION FOOT FLOODING OR DRAINAGE PROBLEM? UH, NO.
THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION.
THEY HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF PLACING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY HAVE TO MEET THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A HAZARD TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES OR HUMAN HEALTH? I KNOW OF NOTHING.
PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY ISSUES RELATED TO THOSE SECRET QUESTIONS? NO.
WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE PROJECT KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TWILIGHT LANE, FROM THERE, THERE WERE SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT DRAINAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS LIMITED TO THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF TWILIGHT LANE.
THERE'S NOT ANY ISSUES WITH THAT IN INFINITY OF VETO.
AND THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE DRAINAGE
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TIED INTO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THE STREET.THERE'S STANDARD REQUIREMENTS THE TOWN HAS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND A LOT, REMEMBER, IF THIS WASN'T A SUBDIVISION, IT WAS A VACANT LOT, THEY WOULD JUST BE GOING TO THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY'D HAVE TO MEET ALL THESE STANDARDS ANYWAY.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY IF I GO FORWARD WITH THE SEEKER? YEP.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY CARISE TO BE LOCATED AT 4 3 4 7 BTO DRIVE.
BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEWED OF THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS AND INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUE.
MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
SO AT THIS POINT, DO YOU HAVE A NOTICE, DOUG? ARE WE, DO YOU HAVE A NOTICE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY CAROL LEASE, BE LOCATED AT 43 47 VETO DRIVE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL, AND WILL BE LIVE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE TOWN TRIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CAROL LEASE.
IS ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT FOR OR AGAINST, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST CAROL LEASE FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THE CAROL LEE SUBDIVISION? OKAY, THERE'S NO COMMENTS ONLINE EITHER.
SO, BEING THERE, BEING THAT THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, UH, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION.
UH, I, I ADDED SOME EXTRA CONDITIONS, SO IF IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER ONES, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN I, WHEN I FINISH THEM.
UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE CAROL LEASE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
A APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2020 B.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS SHALL BE WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON BETO DRIVE.
THE FILING OF A MAP COVER SHALL BE REQUIRED, SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED, NOT REQUIRED.
THERE'S NO REASON THE FILE MAP COVER SHOULD BE NOT THE COUNTY WILL ACCEPT ANYWAY.
C THE FILING OF A MAP COVER SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED.
D, RECREATION FEES IN LIEU OF LAND WILL BE REQUIRED.
E THE SHED AND GARAGE IDENTIFIED ON THE PROPERTY LINE WILL BE REMOVED.
F THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE WILL BE ORIENTATED AS SHOWN ON THE LEASE SUBDIVISION.
PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT OUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THEY THINK WE SHOULD NEED? NO, THEN I WILL, I WILL, I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MOVE THAT INTO, UH, AS A MOTION, SECOND.
MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, BRANDON WILLIAMS REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A TRAILER SALES AND SERVICE BUSINESS AT 4 2 4 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
IS THIS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST NO.
ONCE AGAIN, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GE AND MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WILL RECALL, YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT A COUPLE OF TIMES PREVIOUSLY BASED ON THE INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED AT YOUR MEETING
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TWO WEEKS AGO.THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL TOPIC YOU ASKED US TO ADDRESS AND THAT WAS PROVIDING SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.
SO ALONG MCKINLEY PARKWAY, WE'VE HAD SOME LANDSCAPING.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE 77 DIFFERENT PLANTINGS.
I THINK EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT THIS IS THE REDEVELOPMENT OR REUSE OF AN EXISTING VACANT PROPERTY ORIGINALLY CONSISTENT OF A PERKINS RESTAURANT.
WE DO THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT REUSE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'LL CLEAN IT UP AND WE'LL ENSURE ITS LONG-TERM VIABILITY FROM BOTH A PHYSICAL AND A COMMUNITY CHARACTER PERSPECTIVE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH ELSE WE NEED TO SAY.
AND FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, GIVEN THAT WE'RE REUTILIZING THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE EXISTING PARKING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I BELIEVE THE TOWN'S CONSULTING ENGINEERING HAS IN ISSUED A MEMORANDUM SAYING IT HAS NO CONCERNS.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT AND APPROVING THE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO ANY APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS.
AND WE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ALREADY DID.
AND THE EBA ALREADY ISSUED A SECRET INFORMATION.
RIGHT, SARAH? THE EBA DID ISSUE THE SECRET INFORMATION AT THIS MEETING.
RIGHT, SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SECRET.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? SO, SO WE GOT THE REVISED PLAN WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
WAS EVERYBODY ABLE TO REVIEW THAT? YEP.
AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE EXAMPLE OF FENCING.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NO.
DO YOU WANNA OPEN READ THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE? I, YEP.
NOTICE, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMRICK PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BRANDON WILLIAMS TO OPERATE TRAILER SALES AND SERVICE BUSINESSES AT 42 45 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AND WE'LL BE LIVE STREAMED ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAS ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE LOW TRAILERS AT 4 2 4 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT LOW TRAILERS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE WHO HAS ANY OPINION FOR OR AGAINST LOW TRAILERS? I'M ALSO CHECKING THE COMMENTS ONLINE AND I SEE NONE ONLINE EITHER.
SO, BEING THAT THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, LOW TRAILERS, 4, 2 4 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONDITIONS IN ADDITION TO THE ONES WE HAVE ON OUR PROPOSED RESOLUTION? NO.
WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THOUGH? THE CONDITIONS WE HAVE ON OUR RESOLUTION IS ENGINE, THE USUAL ONES, UH, ENGINEERING.
AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA OF THE CORNER OF MCKINLEY AND, UH, SOUTHWESTERN, THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE WAIVED.
SO HAS THE PLANNING BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? SOMETIMES YOU'LL TECHNICALLY APPROVE IT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT APPROVE IT, BUT IF YOU'RE FINE WITH IT, THEN YOU'RE FINE WITH IT.
YEAH, I JUST, I WOULD WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? THERE'S ONE ON OUR SIDE.
OH, IS THEY ALREADY EXIST? OKAY, WELL, LETS ANYBODY HAVE ANY INPUT? THE LANDSCAPE PLANS FINE.
THEY'RE CHEAP IN THE EXISTING TREES AND ADDING SOME LANDSCAPE VIOLENCE ALONG WITH KINDLEY AND AT THE, AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
AND THEN YOU SAW, YOU ALL SAW THE WHITE FENCE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE FENCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? OKAY.
OKAY, BILL, SORRY, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BILL, NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BUT IT'S LOE TRAILERS, RIGHT? NOT LOW.
LIKE IT SAYS ON THE TOP OF THE H THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
AND MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ADDRESS TOO.
SO LOW TRAILERS 4, 2, 4 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL
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SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE LOW TRAILERS PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 2 4 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS.ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2022.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UH, THREE LANDSCAPING WILL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
SECOND, UH, SECOND BY MR. MCCORMICK.
THAT WAS MRS. THAT WAS MRS. COME FOR.
THIS IS COMING FOR THE SECOND.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL AMEND THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT, PLEASE.
IT LOOKS SO MUCH LIKE THEIR SISTERS.
UM, OKAY, THIRD, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REVISED SUBDIVISION PLAN FOR THE COTTAGES ON BOSTON STATE ROAD.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD A FEW YEARS AGO APPROVED WITH SIDEWALKS.
UM, THE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IS, IS UNHAPPY WITH THE SIDEWALKS ARE SO CLOSE TO HIS HOUSE AND THE SIDEWALKS GO NOWHERE.
SO THE CHANGE THEY PROPOSED WAS, UH, THERE'S A, AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD AND WE PUT A, A LITTLE, UH, WALKWAY AROUND THAT GATE SO PEOPLE COULD WALK TO THE VILLAGE USING THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
SORRY, WHAT I HAVE FOR THIS, UM, WE HAD ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? DOES SOMEBODY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? YEP.
I CAN YOU READ IT? NOTICE IS HERE BY WHAT? YEAH, YOU CAN READ IT.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY GLEN WETZEL TO NOT INSTALL A SIDEWALK.
THE ENTRANCE TO THE COTTAGES SUBDIVISION MCKINLEY PARKWAY ALONG BOSTON STATE ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND WILL BE LIVE STREAMED ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, THE, THE AMENDMENT OF THE SITE PLAN IS JUST FOR THE SIDEWALK.
SO ANY DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO JUST THE SIDEWALK REMOVAL AND THE ADDITIONAL THING ON THE, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
SO I'LL, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE GLEN WETZEL, UH, SIDEWALKS, COTTAGES.
SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT HAS ANYTHING THEY WANNA SAY ABOUT THOSE SIDEWALKS? YES, SIR.
I'M THE HOUSE YOU SPOKE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS KEN CROSTA, C-R-O-S-T-A.
AND I'M AT 60 63 77 BOSTON STATE.
AND MY CONTENTION IS THAT THE SIDEWALK WE SPEAK, UH, WOULD BE RIGHT WITHIN A COUPLE OF FEET OF MY WINDOWS.
AND IT SEEMS KIND OF UNNECESSARY WITH THAT SERVICE ROAD GOING OUT AS YOU SPOKE OF AS WELL.
THAT'S PRETTY, THAT, THAT'S THAT, THAT SIMPLE, REALLY.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE SIDEWALKS OF THE COTTAGES SUBDIVISION? UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE THAT HAS AN OPINION FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND THE COTTAGE OF SUBDIVISION.
BEING NO COMMENTS OR BEING ONE COMMENT, SORRY.
AND, UH, I'M CHECKING ONLINE ON FACEBOOK.
SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS.
IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE TONIGHT, IT'S UP TO YOU.
IT'S A VERY SIMPLE RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION IS BASICALLY AMEND TWO THINGS.
THE, THE CHANGE OF THE, THE CHANGE DOES NOT, DOES NOT CHANGE THE SECRET DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY AMENDING THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO WAIVE THE SIDEWALKS ON BOSTON
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STATE ROAD.OH, WITH THE CONDITION? THE CONDITION AND ADDING THE, THE, THE PATH AT THE, AT THE, UH, EMERGENCY EXIT.
CHRIS, WHAT'S THE PLAN DATE? PLAN DATE? THE REVISION IS NINE 11.
SO PER THE UPDATED PLAN DATED SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2020, WE'LL GET YOU A NEW ONE BECAUSE THIS SHOWS BOTH SIDEWALK.
WE WEREN'T AUTHORIZED, SARAH WASN'T AUTHORIZED TO PREPARE.
BUT IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING TONIGHT THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT COVERS ALL THE BASES.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT, WE CAN TABLE IT FOR THREE WEEKS AND COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION.
WHAT, WHEN IS THE, IS DAVID WE HAVE A PLAN THAT HAS THE NEW SITE, THE NEW WALKWAY? YEAH.
SO THE CURRENT PLAN, THE NEW SIDEWALK IS SHOWN IN BLUE.
AND THAT'S PER THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
WHAT CHRIS IS POINTING OUT IS THE ORANGE SIDEWALK IS A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.
SO HE WOULD JUST UPDATE THE PLAN TO REMOVE THAT.
I WON'T, IF YOU WANNA REFERENCE THE PLAN DATE, I WON'T TAKE THE PLAN DATE.
JUST TAKE THE SIDEWALK OFF BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THAT.
AND THE PLAN DATE WAS NINE 11.
AND WE WOULD ASK TO CONSIDER DOING THAT THIS EVENING SINCE WE THINK IT'S A RELATIVELY SIMPLE MATTER.
AND AGAIN, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S MOST IMPACTED, WE'VE MADE THE REQUEST BASED ON THIS INPUT IS HERE.
AND I GUESS IN THE RESOLUTION BILL, WE WOULD ADD THE REASONING.
WE TYPICALLY PUT A REASONING FOR WAIVING SIDEWALKS.
THE SIDEWALKS WOULD GO NOWHERE AND WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PROPERTY.
THE ONE HOUSE THAT, THAT WOULD GO IN FRONT OF IT, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A REASONING FOR WAIVING THE LAW REQUIRES SIDEWALKS.
WE WAIVED THEM ON MCKINLEY BEFORE WE, WE NEED TO AND GIVE REASONS WHY WE'RE WAIVING THEM ON BOSTON STATE.
I BELIEVE THE SIDEWALK DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE PLA THAT'S BEEN FILED.
THAT'S SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFILE THIS MAP COVER.
RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T, IT'S ONLY THE ENGINEERING PLAN.
THE MAP COVER'S NOT BEEN FILED.
WE FILED IT, BUT WE HAVE FILE.
YEAH, THEY USUALLY DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION ON THE, ON THE PLATFORM.
AND I JUST HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION FOR MY OWN BENEFIT.
DIDN'T ANYBODY CATCH THIS WHEN WE REVIEW THE ORIGINAL? WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.
MR. CHAPMAN, WHY WE WAIVED THE ON MCKINLEY AND NOT ON BOSTON STATE ROAD? WE, WE CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THE PRE CHAIRMAN HE WANTED THEM AND THEN IT WAS IN THE MINUTES BACK THEN AND IT RAN THROUGH KEVIN'S HOUSE AND HE, I MEAN, WE SHOULD WE, WE LOOKED, WE, WE GOT THE MINUTES AND, AND WE LOOKED AND WE, I THINK THERE WAS SOME WRONG REASONING.
THEY JUST DID, SAID NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT WAVING 'EM ON BOSTON STATE ROAD.
SO I JUST DON'T WELL, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, SIDEWALKS ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK, WHICH MAKES THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIGHT KNIT AND THEY'RE NICE TO HAVE.
SO IN GENERAL, YOU WANT TO HAVE THEM AND USUALLY WE WANNA HAVE A STRONG REASON TO NOT HAVE THEM.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANNA BRING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THOUGH.
AND, AND I THINK THE ALTERNATE WE PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
I THINK THAT'S THE SAFER PATH FOR PEDESTRIANS TO ENTER THE VILLAGE.
SO THAT SIDEWALK DOESN'T GO TO THE VILLAGE.
IT GOES AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, TO THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UH, PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS AN AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, COMMENTS.
ONE SEEKER HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL SEEKER DETERMINATION MADE FOR THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UH, TWO, THE AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW THE REMOVAL OF THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS ON THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN DON'T GO ANYWHERE AND WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE ONE HOUSE THOSE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE IN FRONT OF, I THINK YOU WANNA SAY BOSTON STATE ROAD THERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU SAID WE'RE DOING SIDEWALKS ON BOSTON STATE ROAD BECAUSE THEY GO NOWHERE AND WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THE ONE HOUSE.
THE PLAN IS AMENDED TO AN ADD AN ADDITIONAL WALKWAY ADDED AS SHOWN ON THE REVISED SITE PLAN SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2020 TO THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD.
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THAT YOU APPROVE ANY OF THE FINAL ENGINEERING PLANS AND OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERING PLANS WOULD'VE TO SHOW THAT SIDEWALK NOT ON IT AND THE NEW PATHWAY AROUND THERE.SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CHECK AND BALANCE HERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA REVIEW THAT FINAL ENGINEERING PLAN.
THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT ON A REQUEST BY DAVID MANKO FOR A PROPOSED CLUSTER SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
UM, I KNOW AFTER OUR LAST MEETING YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS.
UH, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT? ON THE PLAN? YES.
UM, CAITLYN AT THE LAST MEETING ASKED ME TO DO A COMPARISON OF THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN, BUT THE PLAN WHAT? THE
I HAVE A HARD COPY HERE IF YOU ALL I DON'T THINK I GOT IT YET.
I EMAILED EMAILED IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT COMING TO THE MEETING.
DID YOU GUYS GET THAT AT HOME? IT WAS LIKE THAT JUST CAME IN AT LIKE FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY.
WELL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.
WHY? WHY DON'T WE GET THE, WHY DO WE GET THESE LIKE LESS THAN AN HOUR BEFORE A MEETING? UH, YOU KNOW, I LEFT A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK INTO THINGS AND ESPECIALLY SINCE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, IT TAKES ME A LITTLE LONGER.
I I DON'T APPRECIATE STUFF COMING IN THIS LATE JUST WANTING US TO REVIEW IT, UH, THAT NIGHT.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT A RULE THAT WE, THAT WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT THINGS THIS LATE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL WANNA, I MEAN, IT'S FINE.
WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IN THREE WEEKS.
MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME FURTHER GUIDANCE AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING.
WE'RE WE, WERE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS GONNA BE OPEN IS GETTING INPUT FROM OR PUBLIC INFORMATION SECTION.
CAN I, CAN I JUST KIND OF GO, CAN I GO THROUGH WHAT I SUBMITTED TO YOU? THAT BE OKAY? YEAH.
SO, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, CAITLIN HAD ASKED THAT, UH, WE PREPARE A, SOME KIND OF DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF THE CLUSTER PLAN COMPARED TO THE AS OF RIGHT SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, BOTH, BOTH PLANS HAVE 67 LOTS AS PROPOSED.
THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN AND THE CLUSTERING PLAN, UH, THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE, UH, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'LL HAVE IN THE CLUSTERING PLAN WILL BE ENHANCED WITH TREES, PASSIVE RECREATION AREAS SUCH AS WALKING TRAILS.
AND NOTE THAT THE EXISTING SITE IS AN OPEN FARM FIELD.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE DO TO THE SITE WILL BE AN ENHANCEMENT FROM, FROM WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
UM, ALSO THE CLUSTERING PLAN WILL PROVIDE 3 35 APPROXIMATELY FEET OF SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH, WHERE THE AS OF RIGHT SUBDIVISION WOULD PROVIDE NONE.
THE, UH, TYPICAL R ONE SUBDIVISION REQUIRES 10% OPEN SPACE OR PAYMENT IN LIEU OF THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, WE DO HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE, BE PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL 44% OPEN SPACE THAT YOU WOULDN'T GET WITH THE STANDARD R ONE SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN ALSO WE'RE PRO, PRO PROPOSING A LANDSCAPE BERM ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE THAT WILL, UH, BE LANDSCAPED AND IT'LL SCREEN THE SUBDIVISION FROM, UH, BIG TREE ROAD.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS IN THERE TOO, MOST OF WHICH ARE ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN SITE DATA BOX.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO THROUGH 'EM, I CAN UH, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE BERM WOULD ONLY BE PUT IN PLACE IF YOU CLUSTER AND THAT LANDSCAPING IS ONLY GONNA BE PUT IN PLACE IF YOU CLUSTER IT? NOT IF YOU DO A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION.
THE, THE BERM, THE, THE BERM WILL PROBABLY BE THERE EITHER WAY.
THE ENHANCED, THE ENHANCED OPEN SPACE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE THERE IF WE DID A REGULAR SUBDIVISION ALONG WITH THE 335 FOOT SETBACK.
AND IF I'M READING THE MEMO CORRECTLY, BECAUSE TO BE HONESTLY, IT WAS GIVEN TO US AT THE LAST MINUTE.
IT'S SHOWING THAT THERE'S A 44% OPEN SPACE CORRECT.
SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT RECTIFIED BEFORE WE YOU COME BACK TO US IN THREE WEEKS? OR IS THAT 44 GONNA STAY? I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE 44 STAY, GIVEN THAT WE'RE PROVIDING 44% MORE THAN WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A REGULAR R ONE SUBDIVISION.
AND WE, WE ARE PROVIDING LARGER FRONT YARD SETBACKS, LARGER LOTS, LARGER REAR YARD SETBACKS.
AND WHAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED IN CLUSTER SUBDIVISION? SO, I MEAN, IF WE DID MAKE THE LOTS SMALL AND WE, AND WE CRUNCHED THOSE SETBACKS TO WHERE THEY COULD BE, WE COULD EASILY MAKE 50%.
BUT WE, WE THOUGHT THAT BY PROVIDING
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THE LARGER LOTS AND THE LARGER SETBACKS, YOU HAVE A MORE USABLE BACKYARD AND YOU'LL HAVE MORE SUBSTANTIAL HOUSES THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER PROJECT AND IT HAS TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT RECREATIONAL SPACE.AND YOU'RE PROPOSING WALKING TRAILS.
AND IS THE RETAINING POND BEING CONSIDERED PART OF THE PASSIVE
THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VISIBLE ENHANCEMENTS, THE WALKING TRAIL WILL GO AROUND THE POND.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENCHES, THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENCHES AND WHATNOT AROUND THE, AROUND THE POND WOULD STOCKED WITH FISH.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING THAT POND IS SUPPOSED TO DRAIN LIKE IT'S THE OVERFLOW, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE IT, WE CAN MAKE IT A WET POND AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT DOING THAT.
WE HAVE DONE 'EM IN THE PAST WHERE WE DID MAKE 'EM WET PONDS AND THEY DID STOCK 'EM WITH FISH AND THE RESIDENTS COULD FISH, FISH IN THERE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE.
AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE AN OPEN FIELD WITH A RETENTION POND IS A PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE.
IT'S MORE OF A NUISANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED.
WELL, I THINK THE WA THE WALKING TRAILS ARE A PASSIVE RECREATION WHO'S GOING TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN THE WALKING TRAIL.
WELL, THAT, THAT PART OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE OWNED BY THE TOWN.
SO IT WOULD BE A BURDEN ON THE TOWN THEN TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO THEREFORE IF WE HAVE 6% LESS THAN WE NEED, IT'D BE LESS OF A BURDEN.
I DON'T YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WALKING TRAIL.
THE THE OPEN, THE OPEN SPACE IS NOT GONNA BE OWNED BY THE TOWN.
IT'LL BE OWNED BY THE H HOA, THEN THE OA, IT'LL BE OWNED BY THE H OA.
NO MAKE, WE ONLY TAKE DEDICATION IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, IF WE NEED IT, BUT THE, THE THE PARKLAND, THE 10%
TOWN DOESN'T WANT ANY EXTRA LOTS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT TOWN OWNS.
YEAH, WE JUST HAVE AN EXCESS OF PROPERTY THAT WE DUNNO WHAT TO DO.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE A HAVE, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THIS AS NECESSARILY BEING A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN OVER A STANDARD SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S MORE OPEN SPACE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOAS THAT LAND IS NOT DESIGNED AND PLACEMENT OF IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE ACCESSED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
NOR WOULD THE HOA PROBABLY WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THERE IF THEY'RE VIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS THERE.
AND I PERHAPS IN A DIFFERENT WAY AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, I DON'T THINK THAT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD DOUBLE COUNT AS, UH, RECREATIONAL SPACE.
YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THE 335 FOOT SETBACK AS BEING A BENEFIT AS OPPOSED TO THE ZERO.
I THINK THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WILL PROBABLY SEE IT AS A BENEFIT, BUT WE CAN ASK THEM IN A MINUTE.
I MEAN THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM 'EM.
THAT'S THE POINT OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION IS THAT THERE IS A SETBACK AND THAT, THAT MAY PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO, TO SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO, BUT THERE'S ALSO PROTECTIVE FOR PASSIVE RECREATION BACK THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE USING IT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BOTH CALL IT A SETBACK AND A RECREATIONAL AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS WHERE PRESUMABLY FOLKS COULD BE RECREATING AND GATHERING.
BUT I THINK WE, I THINK WE SPOKE THE, THE MOST SOUTHERN PORTION.
WE COULD ALSO PUT A BERM WITH SOME TREES IN ON IT, ON IT.
ALSO, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT, WRAPPING THAT AROUND TO THE EAST SIDE TOO.
SO THE RESIDENTS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT ARE ON PARKER WOULD ALSO GET A BENEFIT FROM IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T, THE AREA'S BIG ENOUGH WHERE WE WOULDN'T PUT THE TRAILS RIGHT UP ON SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PEOPLE.
FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HERE LAST TIME.
UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD BE LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT WOULD USUALLY BE ALLOWED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT.
THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN WOULD BE LARGER LOTS AND WHAT, UH, MR. WOODS IS SAYING WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, WHICH HAS THE LOTS THAT MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, THOSE LOTS WOULD GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THE LOTS OF THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS.
THERE WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A BUFFER.
SO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN OF THE CLUSTER, WE'RE HAVING THIS INFORMATION SESSION SO WE CAN GET THE OPINION OF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVE THERE'S A BENEFIT.
SO, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING'S NOT WARRANTED AT THIS STAGE, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
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THIS AREA HAVE, WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT TO US FOR MAKING THIS DECISION.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
UM, WE WANNA GET STARTED WITH THAT.
SO WOULD THERE BE LESSER ROAD OR MORE ROAD CLUSTER VERSUS IN A CLUSTER THERE IS LESS ROAD.
SO BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER, THEY'RE CLOSER TOGETHER, THERE'S LESS ROAD.
THE ROAD WOULD COME, WOULD END UP BEING PART WOULD, WOULD GO TO THE TOWN AND THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE FACTORS IN A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION IS, IS THE, THE LENGTH OF ROAD THAT THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO MAINTAIN.
'CAUSE SHORTER ROADS MEANS SHORTER UTILITY LINES, SHORTER, UH, SEWER LINES.
SO, UM, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS SIMILAR TO A PUBLIC HEARING, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, WE'LL HAVE YOU COME UP, READ YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND GIVE YOUR COMMENT.
HEY BILL, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION TO DREW ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID? SURE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE JUST LOOKED AT, UH, FRANKLIN DRIVE, OUR, A PORTION OF FRANKLIN DRIVE IS STILL, DESPITE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S STILL PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, WHAT IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE TOWN TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THESE ROADS? IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OR IS THERE A PROCESS THAT GOES, HAPPENS AFTER WHAT WE DO? WHAT WE DO, WHERE THAT HAPPENS? IT'S A PROCESS.
THEY GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE PLANNING BOTH OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ON PUBLIC ROADS.
THE OFFER HAS TO BE MADE TO THE TOWN.
THE TOWN BOARD DECIDES ON TAKING ROADS OR NOT.
TYPICALLY, THE, THE PAST PRACTICES ALMOST EVERY, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE SUBDIVISION WHERE THE TOWN DETERMINE NOT TO TAKE THE, THE ROADS.
I MEAN, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT ROADS.
THEY, YOU COULD BASICALLY SAY WE DON'T WANT THE ROADS.
UM, IN THIS CASE, TYPICALLY FOR A STANDARD SUBDIVISION, THE TOWN TAKES THE ROADS.
BUT IF, IF THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT OR HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD CONSIDER IT AND CONSIDER IT NOT.
IF IT'S GONNA BE TOWN ROADS, THEY DO A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PER, UH, PERMIT.
UM, BUT THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE ROADS.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A HISTORY IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE NOT ENFORCED IT.
UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES OF THE CLUSTER.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE FOCUSING ON CLUSTER OR NON CLUSTERING.
RIGHT NOW, THE ROAD IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE 'CAUSE THEY'RE SAYING IT'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 3000 FEET AND 4,000 FEET OF ROADS THAT THE TOWN COULD BE OWNING OR MAINTAINING AND, AND HAVING ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR.
UM, KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT THERE'S THE PURPOSE AND INTENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A THROUGH E IN THE CODE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN BOARD ESTABLISHED A CLUSTER LAW TO ALLOW YOU TO ALLOW USE CLUSTER, BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY WE'RE ALLOWING IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND THE BIGGEST ONE IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS B, TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS RUN THROUGH THE CLUSTER, WHICH IS HARMING WITH THE AESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE TOWN.
AND SO DOING, PROTECTING IMPORTANT SENSITIVE LANDS FROM DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CONNECT OTHER IMPORTANT S.
TYPICALLY WE DO CLUSTERS BECAUSE THERE'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF GREEN SPACE.
WE WANT TO KEEP SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN AND WHATEVER.
IN THIS CASE, THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT STAND OF WOODS OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING UNIQUE TO SAY.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU WERE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THIS UNIQUELY DOING? AND I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO HAVE A, AN EMPTY FIELD, BUT IT'S JUST AN EMPTY FIELD.
I MEAN, WHAT IS THAT DOING FOR THE TOWN? SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I REALIZE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WILL, WILL BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THE CUSTOMER IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA SETBACK, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO GO BEYOND THAT IS NOT ONLY EXTRA SETBACK, BUT HOW ARE WE CREATING THIS IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN.
UM, THAT IS WHAT THE TOWN BOARD, THE STATE'S ENABLING LEGISL ALLOWS YOU TO SET A LAW, AT LEAST THE TOWN BOARD SET A LAW AND GAVE YOU CRITERIA FOR HOW TO USE IT.
ALL I I WORK WITH DIFFERENT TOWNS SOMETIMES HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CLUSTER LAWS.
I MEAN, THIS IS SPECIFIC OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND THEN EITHER WE'RE GONNA ALLOW 'EM TO USE CLUSTER OR NOT.
IF WE DON'T ALLOW 'EM TO USE CLUSTER, THEN THEY, THEY APPLY, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR, WITH A REGULAR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW.
OUR DETERMINATION, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS, RIGHT? NOT THIS VERSUS KEEPING IT AS AN EMPTY FIELD, RIGHT? IT'S THE, THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN VERSUS THE CLUSTER PLAN.
AND IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S CLUSTER OR A REGULAR SUBDIVISION, WE STILL HAVE THE WHOLE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH SEEKER.
WE GOTTA GO THROUGH SEEKER, WE GOTTA DO COORDINATOR, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND COORDINATOR REVIEWS.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PRELIMINARY PLANS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FINAL PLANS, ENGINEERING PLANS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE, BUT IT IS A FIRST BIG DECISION.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO KNOW, WILL YOU ALLOW TO USE THE CLUSTER? NOT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
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HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT.DO WE WANT TO USE THE, ALLOW THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK FROM A TRAFFIC INPUT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS ON TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE.
AND WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT WHEN WE GET TO, UH, SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT'S ABOUT DOES THIS CLUSTER MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OR GIVEN BY THE TOWN BOARD FOR US TO AUTHORIZE ITS USE.
WE'RE AUTHORIZING ITS USE SO THEY CAN PROCEED WITH AN APPLICATION OR NOT AUTHORIZING IT, ITS USE.
SO THOSE ARE, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE HAVE PEOPLE COME UP TO THE PODIUM ONE AT A TIME? WHO WANTS TO BE FIRST? I'LL GO FIRST.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU GO SECOND.
HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU GUYS? I HAVE TWO PROPERTIES ON PARKER ROAD.
THE OTHER ONE'S AT 44 85 PARKER ROAD.
CAN YOU SLOW DOWN BECAUSE SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO TYPE THAT INTO THE MINUTES.
I JUST NEED TO, CAN I HAVE YOUR NAME AGAIN? KATHLEEN.
AND YOUR, AND YOU OWN I OWN TWO HOUSES ON PARKER ROAD IN THE VICINITY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT 44 0 6.
AND IS THAT RECORDER UP THERE ON THE YES IT IS
UM, MY CONCERN IS ALSO, UM, I'M, I'M SPEAKING BEHALF OF OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
ALSO PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SEWER AND THE WATER THAT WATER TIES INTO ON PARKER ROAD.
UM, ALSO DUE TO THE COLLEGE, ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SAYING IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES GO THROUGH THERE, THEY WANT MAYBE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN THERE DUE TO THE COLLEGE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL HAPPEN.
UM, ALSO, I GUESS THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC.
WELL ACTUALLY WITH THE ENTRANCE IN THE, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT ONE ENTRANCE BEING ON THE ONE SIDE OF MY HOUSE AND ANOTHER, I THINK ON ANOTHER NEIGHBOR OF MINE OVER HERE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE TOO.
I HEARD THIS IS WETLANDS AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY AT ONE TIME DUE TO THAT FACT ALSO.
UM, BASICALLY THAT'S THE CONCERNS RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, WE DON'T, THE CLUSTER THING, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
BASICALLY IF HE'S WORRIED ABOUT THE VISUAL ENHANCEMENTS.
THE VISUAL ENHANCEMENTS BASICALLY IS THE WILDLIFE AND STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, SO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO BETWEEN THE CLUSTER LAYOUT AND THE REGULAR LAYOUT? WELL, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST MEETING, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY STUFF ON THIS.
THIS IS THE REGULAR LAYOUT, RIGHT? A LOT OF THE IMPACTS YOU TALK ABOUT ARE THE SAME, WHETHER THEY'RE CLUSTER OR NOT.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU GUYS WANNA PUT THE ROAD, RIGHT BETWEEN THESE TWO HOUSES.
THAT'S PART OF THE CLUSTERING.
WE'RE MAKING THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY IT BE GATED OFF IT BE GATED OFF EACH YEAR.
WHAT ABOUT THIS ENTRANCE OVER HERE IN FRONT OF THIS, THAT ENTRANCE WILL LINE UP THE MARYLAND.
OKAY, THIS ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT'S THE REASONING FOR THIS? IF WE HAVE OVER MORE THAN 30 LABS? WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WAY IN.
NOW WHAT'S THE REASONING FOR THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IT'S LOTS, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M JUST LIKE, ALRIGHT, SO THE MAIN CONCERN IS
SO, SO WE, IT'S A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
IT'S FOR US TO GET INFORMATION.
HEAR UM, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO HAVE, UH, SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR MORE OF A BACK AND FORTH.
UM, WE CAN'T MAKE AN APPLICANT DO THAT, BUT IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY CAN DO THAT.
BUT FOR, FOR THIS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, YOU GIVE OUR CO YOUR COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, AND THAT, AND UNDERSTAND IF THEY PROCEED WITH ONE OR THE OTHER SUBDIVISION.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IS TO DO WE ALLOW 'EM TO DO, WE WILL HAVE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
ISSUES LIKE WETLANDS, SEWER, OKAY.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TELL 'EM SH SHOULD, COULD THEY USE THE CLUSTER INSTEAD OF THE REGULAR LAYOUT? IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF LOT.
SO SAME AMOUNT OF LOT, SAME TRAFFIC WHERE EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT.
PROPERTY, THIS AREA, I'LL GO THAT PROPERTY.
SO THOSE ISSUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THEM LATER.
THE CLUSTERING PROVIDES THE SAME PROPERTY, RIGHT? YOUR HOUSE THAT THIS ALL PROVIDES FROM SPACE HERE.
SO, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON TO OTHER KIND.
RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NO PREFERENCE OVER ONE OR THE OTHER.
YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BOTH? NO, I HAVE NO PREFERENCE.
I'M GONNA KEEP COMING TO SEE RIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOME CONCERNS THAT NEIGHBORS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO COME, THAT WILL BE HERE THE FOLLOWING WEEKS.
CHRIS, CAN YOU ANGLE THAT MAP SO IT SHOWS UP ON THIS CAMERA FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING AT HOME VIA LIVE STREAM? ONLY WHEN IT'S GOOD.
I WILL TELL YOU WHEN IT'S GOOD.
UM, I GOTTA GO SLOWER 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIVE.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP NEXT?
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NO, ZOOM IN.I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ME.
UH, CHRIS WITH THE DRAWING? NO, IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS I'M LOOKING AT FACEBOOK SCREEN.
OKAY, SO MY, MY FACEBOOK SCREEN HAS A DELAY OVER YOURS THEN.
DOES THAT MATTER WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT? YEAH.
CAN I HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME'S MICHELLE MALTY.
WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME? SORRY.
MALT LIKE TOM, B LIKE BOY Y THANK YOU
I BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC AND ENOUGH SUBDIVISIONS.
AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, BUT, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PARKER RIDGE, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE DOWN, HAS ONE OUTLET BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA DIRECTLY IMPACT MY FAMILY'S HOME.
WHERE THE OUTLET, NOT THE ONE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO MARYLAND, BUT THE OTHER OUTLET THAT HAS TO BE THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY HOUSES.
ALTHOUGH PARKER RIDGE HAS PROBABLY JUST AS MUCH AND THEY ONLY HAVE ONE OUTLET.
UM, THE CONCERN FOR ME PERSONALLY IS THE SECOND ENTRANCE, OR IF YOU CALL IT THE FIRST, WILL BE DIRECTLY IN OUR BEDROOM WINDOW.
AND WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PEOPLE ON THIS PROJECT AT THE SECOND MEETING, OR THE VERY FIRST ORIGINAL ONE, BUT SECOND FROM TONIGHT'S GOING BACKWARDS AND THEY VOICED THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY PUT IN, UM, A GATED AND LOCKED SECURITY STREET.
THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT IS PROPOSED.
AND, AND LIKE WE DISCUSSED, THE REASON WHY THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES AND THOSE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS ONLY HAVE ONE IS BECAUSE AFTER THAT SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT, THE LAW CHANGED.
I FIGURED THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY UNDER WHAT'S PROPOSED IT WOULD BE GATED BECAUSE YOU LIVE ACROSS THE STREET, I MEAN, FOR SURE.
NO
AND UNLESS THE FIRE COMPANY SAID NO, DON'T G IT, THEN IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD ASK THEM TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD.
UM, BUT KEEP, KEEP COMING TO THE MEETINGS BECAUSE IF, IF THE FIRE COMPANY DID SAY SOMETHING LIKE, WE DON'T WANT A GATE THERE, THEN WE'D START CONSIDERING NOT HAVING A GATE THERE.
AND YOU'D WANNA BE AROUND TO GIVE YOUR OPINION ON THAT.
AND ASA WAS THERE ANY TRAFFIC STUDY DONE TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC? WE SUBMITTED A, WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC LETTER LAST WEEK THAT SHOWED THERE'S MINIMAL IMPACT.
SO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION BETWEEN THE CLUSTER LAYOUT AND THE REGULAR LAYOUT? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS IF YOU PREFER ONE LAYOUT, WELL WHY WOULD THE OPINION MATTER? NOT, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPINION TO LEAVE IT OPEN FARM LAND OR NOW PUT 67.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST ACTION THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO TAKE.
THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY CAN USE CLUSTER OR NOT DECIDING ON WHETHER TO DO CLUSTER OR CONVENTIONAL.
ONCE THEY MAKE THAT DECISION, THAT'S JUST DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.
THEN THEY GOTTA GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WHERE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TRAFFIC, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WATER, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SEWER.
BUT THE FIRST DIRECTION THEY NEED IS KIND OF THIS UNUSUAL STEP.
WE HAVE TO TELL THEM, CAN THEY DO THIS CLUSTER FROM A STANDPOINT OF TRAFFIC? IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, WHETHER THEY DO A CLUSTER OR WHATEVER.
WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM A BOND.
WELL, YOU WOULD'VE SAID AT THE, NOT THE LAST GAME TOWN, THE FIRST ONE.
I THINK IT WAS THE CLUSTER THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA HAVE, WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO GET, TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND RESIDENTS.
NO, I THINK SAFETY IS HUGE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW A TRAFFIC REPORT COULD SHOW THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT.
IT, IT'S ALREADY BOMBARDED WITH TRAFFIC HARBOR ROAD.
WE'VE LOST THAT RURAL FEELING BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED MORE TAX MONEY.
MAYBE A BE GOOD IDEA TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CLUSTER LAYOUT AND THE REGULAR LAYOUT SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO FIND ABOUT.
STILL 67 HOMES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO WITH THE DECISION THAT WE HAVE, IT'S, IT'S 67 HOMES FOR BOTH CHOICES.
SO, SO THE TRAFFIC IS NOT, IT, TRAFFIC FOR 67 HOMES, WHETHER THEY'RE JAMMED TOGETHER OR FAR APART SHOULD BE THE SAME.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY.
UM, I MEAN BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT INPUT IS
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WHICH, WHICH, UH, ONE WOULD THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA PREFER AND WHY? WELL, WITH ALL RESPECT, WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT WE FEEL? 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE FEEL DEFEATED ANYWAY, SO, WELL IT'S, I MEAN I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE RULES THAT WE ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE TO FOLLOW ARE REALLY GEARED IN FAVOR OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE LAND AND WANT TO BUILD THINGS.SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH THAT AND KIND OF FEELING DEFEATED BEFORE YOU EVEN START.
UM, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE LAWS AND THE RULES THAT WE HAVE.
I'M NOT GONNA SUBDIVISION SO CLUSTER OR RIGHT OR NON THAT'S WOULD RATHER, AND THAT'S THE, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA GET INTO TOO MUCH OF A I KNOW, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
I I I THINK THEY, AND WHAT I'M GUESSING IS THAT THE PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE, BUT THEY'RE OPPOSED TO ANY SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT WAS, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NOT QUITE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR YOUR POINT ABOUT WELL WELL WE HATE BOTH CHOICES.
SO WHY ARE WE EVEN HERE? UM, I I GET IT AND IT WOULD BE, BUT WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL SOMEBODY WHO OWNS PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY.
THAT CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT.
UM, THERE'S ONLY CIRCUM CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES DOESN'T GET DECIDED AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S THE SEEKER PART WHERE WE WOULDN'T GO TOWARDS THE SEEKER UNTIL WE KNOW IF IT'S A CLUSTER OR WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THE AS OF.
SO WE DON'T EVEN GET TO THE PART WHERE WE CONSIDER THOSE THINGS.
BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT PART, SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WELL, SAFETY IS HUGE.
WALKING DOWN PARKER, HALF THE TIME AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT 67 MORE CARS WITH ACCESS TO THAT ROAD TIMES TWO.
'CAUSE WHAT HOUSEHOLD DON'T HAVE TWO VEHICLES.
I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU FIVE.
YOU UNDERSTAND? WE'RE GOING TO STUDY THAT.
ONCE THEY DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE DOING CLUSTER OR WHATEVER CLUSTER, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
ONCE WE DECIDE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO ONCE WE GET INTO THAT PROCESS, THEN THERE'LL BE A DECISION, THERE'LL BE A DECISION ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WATER IMPACTS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
THERE COULD BE AN AN, WE COULD DETERMINE A NEGATIVE IMPACT OR A BAD IMPACT AND WE COULD REQUIRE AN IMPACT STATEMENT OR THE PROJECT COULD GO AWAY.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING THAT IS UNUSUAL CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET PUBLIC INPUT TO SAY, DOES THE PUBLIC PREFER ONE OVER THE OTHER? WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
AND THEN ONCE WE MAKE THE DECISION, THEN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ALL THOSE.
IF THEY WANNA CONTINUE, WE HAVE TO PROCESS IT.
WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ALL THOSE STUDIES, ALL THAT INFORMATION, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT SO YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, BUT WE FIRST WANT TO, BEFORE WE ASK THEM TO DO STUDIES, WHICH ONE DO THEY WANNA STUDY? THE CLUSTER OR THE REGULAR LAYER.
RIGHT? SO, SO JUST SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WHAT, UH, WHERE EVERYBODY'S POSITION IS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE EITHER PLANT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION ON THE CLUSTER VERSUS THE AS OF RIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OR THE OTHER.
IS IT ONLY THIS BOARD THAT WE CAN SEE COPIES OF ANYTHING? IS THERE A AVAIL? YOU'RE ASKING US THE OPINION RIGHT? ONE.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO LOOK AT? I DON'T THINK WE'VE POSTED ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET WITH THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE THE PLANS HERE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT BOTH BOARDS RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WHY DON'T WE, UM, THIS DEVELOPER DIDN'T AUTHORIZE SHARING THESE DRAWING, SO WE MAY WANT TO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE ONLINE.
DID YOU AUTHORIZE SHARING MR. WOODS? YOU AUTHORIZED SHARING THOSE, RIGHT? THINK WE DID.
DID WE POST 'EM ONLINE? WE EMAILED PEOPLE.
SO, OKAY, SO THE, SO THE PLANS ARE BACK THERE.
I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE THEM UP, RIGHT? HOLD, HOLD ON.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WELL, YEAH, THERE'S SOME COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK WE WANT TO GET TO, RIGHT? UM, WANTS TO COME, COME UP.
OKAY, SO THAT MICROPHONE RIGHT THERE IS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SENSITIVE.
SO ANYTHING YOU EVEN SAY IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM IS GONNA
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BE BROADCAST ON THE INTERNET.SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU SILENT.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE MAKING COMMENTS, WHISPER, IT'S GONNA SHOW UP ON THAT.
AND THE, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION, PARKER.
SO THE CLUSTER VERSUS CONVENTIONAL.
PERSONALLY, I THINK ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA WANNA COME AND BUY IN THAT AREA IS PROBABLY GONNA WANNA BUY A CONVENTIONAL LOT OR HOWEVER YOU PLAN THE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, IF I'M MOVING INTO AN AREA LIKE HAMBURG, LIKE THIS, I'M GONNA WANT A NICE LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SHOUTING ROOM BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS.
I PERSONALLY THINK 67 HOMES IS RIDICULOUS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD NOT GO FOR THE CLUSTER.
I WOULD GO FOR THE CONVENTIONAL, BUT WE ARE A VERY, WE'RE NOT EVEN RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE RURAL.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO SIDEWALKS, WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM BETWEEN EACH OTHER.
THIS IS NOT A CLUSTER IS NOT THE RIGHT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S JUST MY LITTLE BIT
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE THAT, SORRY, WHO WAS THAT? COMMENTER? MARGARET BELENKY.
JOHN MICHAEL WAY, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, JUST A QUESTION WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE BURDEN OF PROOF, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE CLUSTER, WOULD THE LESS, THE SHORTER ROAD IN THE MONEY WE WOULD SAVE FOR THE TOWNSHIP AS FAR AS THE SHORTER ROAD AND LESS UTILITIES, WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY A CLUSTER? OR DO WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND JUST THAT BY ITSELF? PROBABLY NOT.
UM, THE TOWN REQUIRES 50% OPEN SPACE AND AS WAS ALREADY STATED, THIS, THIS CLUSTER, THIS 44% OPEN SPACE MM-HMM
UM, AS MR. RILEY SAID, USUALLY THERE'D BE A FEATURE THAT YOU'D WANT PROTECTED WITH THE CLUSTER.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
UM, IF, IF A FEATURE WAS CREATED THAT BENEFITED THE TOWN, RIGHT? I, I, IN MY OPINION, THAT THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT THAT WE, THAT WOULD, WE WOULD CONSIDER.
SO JUST THE SHORTER ROAD BY ITSELF, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT NO, OUR LAW IS CLEAR.
THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAN JUST THAT ONE FACT.
NOW, IT WAS COMMENTED EARLIER AS FAR AS JUST THE WALKWAY WOULD NOT REALLY BE BENEFICIAL.
UH, JUST HAVING A WALKWAY MEET RECREATIONAL, UH, JOHN, MIKE, WE'RE REALLY ISOLATED.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN WALK AROUND IN A CIRCLE AND SO IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN WALK AROUND IN A CIRCLE.
I MEAN, YOUR SIDEWALKS, YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT IF YOU WANNA GO OUT FOR A WALK OR WALK YOUR DOG, YOU GOTTA GO IN A CIRCLE.
HAVING A WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND A OUTDOOR SPACE WHERE WE COULD WALK AND PEOPLE COULD WALK THEIR DOGS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT.
VERSUS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WALKING IN CIRCLES 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT CONNECTED, SO YOU CAN'T GO FAR.
AND AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT IF, IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CLUSTER, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE AS, AS EVERYONE HEARD, THAT AREA WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
RIGHT? NOW, IF IT'S A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THE NEW HOUSES CAN USE IT AND THEY SAY YOU CAN'T, WELL THAT'S NOT REALLY BENEFITING THE TOWN.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I WOULD WANNA USE IT IN MY BACKYARD.
RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'D WANNA USE IT AND MM-HMM
SO, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, BECAUSE IF WE WERE GONNA SAY THAT THAT WAS THE BENEFIT, THEN IT CAN'T BE A BENEFIT FOR JUST THOSE 67 PEOPLE.
IT HAS TO BE THE BENEFIT FOR THE OTHER FEW THOUSAND OF US.
UM, HOW YOU COULD DO THAT? I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD'VE TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE COULD OR NOT PROBABLY, OR SOMETHING, OR SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES AND, AND SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD FACTOR, WOULD BE ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A BENEFIT TO THE, CAN WE DEDICATE THAT TO
UM, SO I, ONE OTHER COMMENT AS FAR AS WE'RE IN A JOHN MICHAEL WAY IS A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE, WE JUST BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN APRIL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKED ABOUT IT WAS, AS WE GET OLDER, EVERY HOUSE WE BUY IN, THE YARD GETS SMALLER AND THE HOUSE HOUSE GETS NEWER.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, IF IT WAS A BIG LOT THAT I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF AND DO ALL THIS STUFF, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS ATTRACTIVE.
SO SOME PEOPLE DO LIKE BIG YARDS AND I GET THAT.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE SMALLER YARDS, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GET
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CLOSER TO RETIREMENT.SO IT GOES, IT DOES GO BOTH WAYS AS FAR AS THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE, I THINK.
WHO'S NEXT, SIR? UH, SIR, THE YELLOW SHIRT.
HE RAISED THE SAND BEFORE YOU.
I LIVE AT 47 38 JOHN MICHAEL WAY.
AND PERSONALLY I WOULD PREFER A CLUSTER.
UM, BASICALLY IT WOULD BE MORE, I THINK MORE APPEALING AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN PARK OR ROAD AS OPPOSED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONE HOUSE ON TOP OF ANOTHER, ON TOP OF ANOTHER.
IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE A STRIP MALL KIND OF THING WITH ONE, ONE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT TOUCHING EACH OTHER.
AND YOU'D ALSO HAVE, IF WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS SOMEHOW, SOME WAY THAT OTHER PEOPLE COULD USE THAT GREEN SPACE WOULD BE GREAT.
AND IT WOULD ALSO, I THINK HELP THE PEOPLE, SOME, THE, THE PEOPLE ON JOHN MICHAEL WAY, BECAUSE WE DO SEEM TO HAVE A LITTLE WATER PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, FARMERS, FARMERS' FIELD BEING HIGHER THAN OUR PROPERTY.
IT MIGHT HELP, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I'D RATHER SEE A CLUSTER.
I THINK IT'D BE MUCH MORE APPEALING.
AND BESIDES THAT, MAYBE THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO LET THE GUYS WITH THE SNOWMOBILES CUT THROUGH THERE BECAUSE PART OF THAT FIELD WAS USED BY SNOWMOBILES.
AND I THINK THEY WOULD, I THINK THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT TOO, IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET THEM TO LET US USE IT OR WHATEVER.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT CLUSTER, SO THANK YOU.
UM, WAS THERE SOMEBODY IN THAT CORNER? NO.
OKAY, SIR, MY NAME IS JACK FOLEY.
I LIVE AT 47 26 JOHN MICHAEL WHITE.
I'M A NEIGHBOR OF FRANK WHO JUST SPOKE AND KIND OF REITERATING WHAT HE ALREADY SAID.
I'M, I'M IN, IN FAVOR OF THE CLUSTER, UH, FROM A RATHER SELFISH POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO, TO THE PROJECT AND WITH THE CLUSTER, THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE BETWEEN WHERE THOSE HOMES ARE IN MY BACKYARD.
SO NATURALLY THAT IS VERY APPEALING.
HOWEVER, A COUPLE THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT THAT CONCERN ME AND PARTICULARLY THE, UM, HOA, UM, A ALLOW ALLOWING PUBLIC SPACE BASICALLY TO BE USED BY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE OPEN SPACE IS THAT THE, UH, LAND BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC RECREATION.
PUBLIC MEANING THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF HAM, NOT NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT I, I, I LOVE THE CLUSTER IDEA.
I THINK IT'LL GIVE, UH, US LIVING ON JOHN KNUCKLE WAY, THAT LITTLE LEEWAY THAT WE, WE WANT BETWEEN OUR HOMES.
BUT I THINK THE LAND NEEDS TO BE OPENED UP AND MADE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION.
ANYONE ELSE HERE TODAY? SO THERE'S A FEW COMMENTS ONLINE.
UH, KATHY D'AMICO SUSSICK AT 4 7 5 2.
JOHN MICHAEL DRIVE, UH, AS A RESIDENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SHE WOULD LIKE SMALLER LOTS AND A BURN BETWEEN HER PROPERTY AND THE NEW LOT.
UM, AND THEN WE MOVE THE MAP CLOSER, SO HOPEFULLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING ON ONLINE CAN SEE IT.
UH, THEN SHE SAID, SOUNDS TO ME THE CLUSTER DIVISION WOULD BE A BETTER DECISION FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE SOUTH END.
ANOTHER COMMENT BY BRIAN TEEL AT 4 7 5 6, JOHN MICHAEL WAY, I BELIEVE THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TOWN PRESERVATION OF OPEN LAND FOR WILDLIFE AND RECREATION.
IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AT AN EARLIER MEETING ABOUT THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THE FIELD.
NOW, THIS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED WITH A CLUSTER.
THE BURDEN ON THE TOWN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE MINIMIZED.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMENTS THAT WE GOT ONLINE.
UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO TAKE COMMENTS ON THIS BY EMAIL.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEY CAN E BE EMAILED TO SARAH, UM, AFTER WE MAKE A DECISION ON THE CLUSTER VERSUS AS OF RIGHT
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AS MR. RILEY SAID, THEN WE GO THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS AND IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT.
UM, I HAVE AN INTERESTING, AND, AND THE DEVELOPER WILL ALWAYS LOVE THIS AND WHATEVER.
I'M TRYING TO COME CLOSER TO MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER PURPOSES OR INTENT OF THIS IS TO MINIMIZE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT ON THE MINOR STREETS, EXISTING MINOR STREETS AND WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT'S NICE OF ME TO SAY THIS, BUT IF YOU ELIMINATE THE SIX LOTS ON PARKER ROAD A, YOU'D MEET THE 50% GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT AND YOU'D MEET THAT OTHER PURPOSE, WHICH IS TO, TO NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE EXISTING ROADS AND HAVE IT ALL INTERNALLY.
I, I MEAN, IT IS NICE FOR ME TO GIVE AWAY SIX LOTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THE LOTS ON PARKER ARE PART OF THE CLUSTER ANYHOW, BECAUSE THEY MEET THE R ONE REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, THEY'RE, BUT NO, THEY ARE PART OF THE, THEY'RE PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL INCLUDE THESE LOTS.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE CLUSTER OR NOT, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT INCLUDES THE WHOLE THING.
SO, UM, I'M JUST OFFERING THAT AS A WAY OF COMING CLOSER TO MEET IT.
ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF TRYING TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CLUSTER, THE 50% AND THE, AND THE GOALS AND PURPOSE.
ONE OF THEM IS TO MINIMIZE DEVELOPMENT ON EXISTING NON-LOCAL AND MINOR STREETS.
SO AGAIN, I REALIZE GIVING UP SIX LOTS, IT'S GIVING UP A LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY, I JUST TRY TO COME CLOSER TO SAY, CAN WE SAY THIS, THE CLUSTER MEETS WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IT HELPS WITH BUFFERS, IT HELPS WITH SOME GREEN SPACE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT GREEN SPACE IMPORTANT? CAN WE, CAN WE MINIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG PARKER? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA COMING CLOSER TO MEET THE A THROUGH E CRITERIA.
IF, IF WE GOT TO THE 50% RIGHT, RIGHT.
WOULD, WOULD THAT SWAY THE BOARD ONE OR THE OTHER? WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
UM, I I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND GET INPUT FROM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
I, I THINK MR. RILEY'S RIGHT, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN'S GONNA WANT TO TAKE THE LAND.
BUT A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN IN MY, IN MY OPINION, IS A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN, NOT A BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE NEW SUBDIVISION.
RIGHT? SO IF WE COULD WORK OUT A WAY 50% WORK OUT A WAY THAT THOSE TRAILS IN THAT POND COULD BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC AND THE SNOWMOBILE TRAILS AND THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED ON MAINTAINING, UM, THEN, THEN WE'RE A LOT CLOSER.
WHEN, WHEN THEY ASKED ME TO DO A BENEFIT OF THE 10 OF THE TOWN, I ASSUME THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA, IS WHAT I SAW WAS THE TOWN, NOT NECESSARILY THE, WELL, I MEAN, D DIFFERENT MEMBERS IN THE BOARD INTERPRET DIFFERENT.
WAS THAT DENNIS? IT'S STILL THE WHOLE TUNNEL, NOT JUST A, A SUBDIVISION.
THE BENEFIT HAS TO BE FOR THE WHOLE TOWN.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHWAYS OR WHATEVER THE WHOLE, BUT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD COUNT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WELL NOT NECESSARILY THE NEW RESIDENTS, BUT THE EXISTING RESIDES.
AND WE DID GET SOME INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED THAT, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A NICE TRAIL THERE WITH A FISHING POND, THEY, THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN USING THAT TOO.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN WORK THAT OUT OR NOT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH IT TO LOOK AT IT AND, AND TRY AND GET INPUT FROM RECREATION AND SEE IF THEY'D BE, IF THERE'S A WAY TO WORK THAT OUT OR NOT.
UM, YOU DO, YOU DO OWN, YOU DO OWN YOU DO OWN PROPERTY THAT'S CONTIGUOUS TO THIS ON THE, ON THE WEST.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLAYGROUND ON THE PARK IN PARKING LOT AND STUFF TO THE SOUTH TO THE, THAT HERE TO THE WEST.
AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY OVER AND IS ACCESSED OUT BESIDE HERE.
THERE'S A PLAYGROUND, UM, FROM RIGHT.
SO, SO MAYBE LIKE IF A PATH CONNECTED TO THAT PLAYGROUND THAT PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD KNOW, THEY COULD USE IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL THERE, BUT POTENTIAL TO ACTUALLY HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S WORKABLE.
WE'RE PRETTY FAR AWAY, I THINK.
WELL THAT'S A VERY OLD, OLD PLAYGROUND.
IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT SURE IT'S EVEN UPSTATE.
SO THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A $67,000 FEE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS FOR THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? THEY USED TO ENHANCE THAT, ENHANCE THAT PARK.
AND THAT MIGHT BE PART OF A PLAN THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IS, UH, SO MAYBE SOME TYPES OF UPDATES TO THAT.
UM, BUT LET'S, LET'S GET INPUT FROM RECREATION.
I WAS JUST ASKING, UM, JEN IF SHE COULD RESEARCH HOW THAT WOULD WORK IF AN HOA OWNS PROPERTY CAN, CAN THERE BE A WAY FOR PUBLIC? I I THINK THE SIMPLEST THING WOULD BE THAT
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THE, EITHER THE HOA OWNS IT OR THEY DON'T RIGHT.I, I DON'T, I THINK IF WE GET INTO STUFF OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A BIT WE WOULD WANNA KNOW IF, IF THE TOWN WOULD WANNA OWN THAT I IS THAT, OH, I MEAN IF, IF, IF THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS SOME, SOME BETTER IDEAS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK HAVING AN HOA MAINTAIN SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IN THE FUTURE.
SOMETHING CREATE BILL THAT JENNIFER AND I CAN MAYBE LOOK INTO IS THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN DONE BEFORE IS THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE HOA, BUT THE TOWN HAVE SOME SORT OF EASEMENT OVER IT TO PROVIDE PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH AND WHATEVER THAT THAT WOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT.
SO IT COULD BE USED BY THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT COULD BE A GREAT, SO, SO IT'S, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK YOUR ATTORNEYS ABOUT IT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT, WE'LL HAVE TO, TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
UM, I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD WANT, WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.
SO IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY NOW AND IT LOOKS LIKE I PULLED UP THE NEW YORK STATE SNOWMOBILE ASSOCIATION AND A MAP AND, AND HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO REROUTE THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL.
AND I, I GUESS BETTER FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED THE ALLOWED TO BE USED AND WHAT THE LIABILITIES ARE THERE.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS IF THAT LAND COMES TO TOWN OVER THE LONG TERM AS WELL AS THE, I MEAN, THAT'S A QUESTION.
I GUESS BALANCING THAT OFF, PART OF THE ISSUE IS WE CAN'T TELL THE TOWN TO ACCEPT THE LAND.
SO WE COULD BE PRIVATE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT LEASING.
I MEAN, AREN'T THEY INTERESTED EVEN, AND BY THE WAY, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT, IT, IT PROBABLY IS GONNA BE PUBLIC.
AND EVEN IF THE SNOWMOBILE DROVES ACROSS THERE, IT'S GONNA REMAIN PUBLIC LANDS.
ALMOST ALL SNOWMOBILES GO ACROSS, I, SORRY, PRIVATE LANDS GO OVER PRIVATE LANDS AND THE, AND THE, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THEY GET INSURANCE FROM THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
THE SNOWMOBILE TRAILS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER, IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY, THE PUBLIC TO WALK IN TO SAY, USE THAT FISHING POND OR USE SOME OF THE TRAILS OR WHATEVER, COULD THAT BE DONE THROUGH AN EASEMENT WHERE IT GUARANTEES RIGHT TO THE PUBLIC, THEY STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LIABILITY ISSUE OF PEOPLE COMING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
I'LL TALK WITH MARTY
ANY OTHER THINGS? THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO RESEARCH SARAH, MYSELF, JENNIFER, THE TOWN ENGINEER.
ARE THERE ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO HELP MAKE THIS DECISION? AGAIN, LOOK AT THOSE A THROUGH E CRITERIA BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE THE DECISION, WE'RE GONNA REFER TO THOSE A THROUGH E CRITERIA, WHETHER WE'RE ALLOWING THE USE OF CLUSTER OR NOT.
DREW, CAN WE, CAN THE RETENTION POND BE CONSIDERED PART OF THEIR PERCENTAGE OF OPEN LAND? THE POND? ONLY IF IT'S ONLY IF IT'S CONSIDERED, IF IT'S JUST AND WE TO WORK WITH CAMMING, IF IT'S ONLY A DRAINAGE POND, NO, IT, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT IN THE REGULATIONS, IF THEY MAKE IT SOME SORT OF FEATURE THAT WE CAN SAY IT DOES DUAL PURPOSES, IT'S DRAINAGE AND SOME SORT OF RECREATION FEATURE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER THAT.
BUT IT CAN'T BE JUST A NORMAL, AND CAMMY KNOWS AS A NORMAL STORMWATER POND BECAUSE IT'LL ONLY BE PART OF IT AND WHATEVER WE JUST SAID ON PARK.
SO CAMMY CAN HELP WITH THAT AND WHETHER THAT CAN BE A USEFUL POND AND HOW THAT COULD WORK.
AND HE TALKED ABOUT A POND THAT WOULD BE WET ALL YEAR ROUND WITH, WITH FISH IN IT.
AND ENOUGH PROBABLY SAFETY BAGS LIKE THEY ALL DO IN SOME WAY OF GETTING IT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT USEFUL.
I USED TO FISH IN THE, UH, IN THE POND IN AMHERST IN THEIR ONE PARK THERE OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE GOLDFISH, MY KIDS CATCH GOLDFISH.
HOW LONG WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PASSIVE TRAILS TOO.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW AN IDEA OF HOW MANY FEET OR MILES OF TRAIL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, WE'LL PUT 'EM ON THE DRAWING FOR, UM, ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE.
AND CHRIS, MY ADVICE DO THE SAME THING.
ABCD, I DID SEE THAT ONE OF THEM IS FROM SAME PERSON.
UM, JOE FODEN HIS ADDRESS, BUT, UH, OH, NOW WE JUST GOT ANOTHER ONE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ANSWER THIS ONE.
UM, IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION THOUGH.
SO, SO JOE FO SAYS, ONLY IF THE ENTIRE TOWN BENEFITS, UH, KATHY AGAIN SAID, IF THERE'S A POND AND A WALKING PATH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS SINCE IT WOULD BE IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN PROBABLY ANSWER IT.
HOW COME A SWIMMING POOL MUST BE FENCED IN, BUT A MANMADE POND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY DOES NOT RULE.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A CODE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION.
UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT TOWN CODES THAT APPLY TO SWIMMING POOLS AND PONDS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? A LOT OF TIMES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT'S UP TO THEM.
IF IT'S, IT'S A STORMWATER POND, THEY FENCE
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IT BECAUSE THERE'S LIABILITY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.SOME OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS LEAVE IT ON.
THAT, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
'CAUSE YEAH, SOME, SOME PLACES WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE LAWS ABOUT FENCES AROUND POOLS, YOUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE WOULD REQUIRE IT ANYWAY.
SO WHO IS LIABLE? I, I SUGGEST MARK, UH, CONTACT AN ATTORNEY FOR, FOR, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS WHO, WHO'S LIABLE, UM, IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR TONIGHT? YES.
WE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4 4 6 7 PARKER ROAD.
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY BY JOHN MICHAEL WHERE THEY BUILT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
HOW COME THEY ARE GONNA GET MORE LAND IF THEY DO CLUSTER THAN ON PARTNER? AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SO LONG.
I DON'T, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
SHE SAYING THAT THE, THE LAND THAT'S OPEN BENEFITS THE JOHN MICHAEL WAY PEOPLE A LOT MORE THAN IT DOES THE PEOPLE.
WELL, WHERE WE'RE, SHE'S BUILDING THE, THE DRIVEWAY THERE.
AND ANOTHER FRIEND OF MINE, HE'S LIKE RIGHT THERE.
I'M, I'M ACROSS THE STREET, BUT I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP.
WELL, WE, WE, WE AGREED TO, IF WE PUT A BERM THERE TO WRAP THAT BERM ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE EAST, EAST PLOTS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A BIGGER SPACE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS WANNA WRAP THIS UP, BUT I MEAN THESE LOTS HERE HAVE ALL THE FACEBOOK.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS JOHN MICHAEL.
KATHLEEN'S HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S MORE THAN SHE WOULD'VE A SCENARIO.
SO WHY DON'T WE BUILD THE HOUSES? WELL,
ALL WE BOUGHT ALL WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THERE BECAUSE WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD.
AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE CONDITION WAS AND WHY SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THAT.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES, IF ANY, IN HAMBURG WHERE THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
THERE MAY BE PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE REALTORS WILL SAY THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MANY PLACES WHERE IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
UM, I MEAN, EVEN PLACES WHERE THERE'S WETLANDS 10, 15 YEARS LATER, THE WETLAND DELINEATION WILL CHANGE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T BUILD SOMETHING, BECOMES A PLACE THAT YOU CAN.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HEAR THAT PRETTY REGULARLY AND IT'S, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETIMES IT'S PEOPLE JUST DELIBERATELY NOT SAYING THE TRUTH.
SOMETIMES IT'S PEOPLE NOT KNOWING WHAT THE REAL CONDITION IS AND SOMETIMES IT'S CONDITION'S CHANGING, BUT IT'S, AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THERE'S, THERE'S VERY FEW PLACES IN HAMBURG WHERE THAT NOBODY CAN BUILD ANYTHING ON THIS LOT IS ACTUALLY TRUE.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, MORE OF A RUMOR THAT TURNS OUT TO NOT BE TRUE, UNFORTUNATELY.
ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, DAVID MANCO CLUSTER SUBDIVISION TO OCTOBER 7TH.
UM, LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE BROADWAY GROUP REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
WE'LL TAKE A, DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? NO.
AND LET'S TAKE A, SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, THE MEETING'S STILL GOING ON.
SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE CLEAR OUT I, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.
WE STILL HAVE ITEMS, AGENDA, SOCIAL.
WE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE MICROPHONE.
I'M NOT, DENNIS USUALLY DOES IT.
DENNIS, DO YOU WANT ME TO RESOLVE PLEASE? EXCUSE ME.
WE STILL HAVE A MEETING GOING ON, SO PLEASE QUIET.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO, SO THIS IS A, A,
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A DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT.I GAVE THEM ALL ONE, ONE BY 17.
SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST COMING INTO THIS PROJECT FOR THE FIRST TIME, I'M GONNA KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, SO WE WON'T BE TAKING ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST, IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION.
THAT'S KIND OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL DETERMINATION.
THAT'S WHERE WE CONSIDER FACTORS THAT ARE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FORM.
UH, SOME OF THOSE FACTORS PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP.
WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS ALREADY.
UH, THAT'S WHERE, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC.
UH, THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY CHARACTER COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP.
I'M GONNA HAVE OUR ATTORNEY WRITE US A MEMO ABOUT THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE ISSUES IN PARTICULAR THAT WE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN ARE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT UP ISSUES WITH INCREASED.
WAS THERE SOME KIND OF BACKGROUND NOISE IN THERE? I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU'RE COMING IN AND OUT.
YEAH, I, I, I HEAR MIC, MIC OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, SOMEBODY CAN MUTE THEIR MIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S, WELL, EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR MICS MUTED, BUT, BUT YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE A BREATHING NOISE NOW.
YEAH, IT'S IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY SNORING ALMOST.
OKAY, WELL, CAN EVERYBODY MUTE THEIR MIC THAT'S AT HOME, PLEASE? YEAH.
MUCH BETTER THAT, THAT'S IT WAS.
UM, SO AS A, I SAY SO, SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COMES UP THAT WE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN IS, IS PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED CRIME RATES, UH, AND, UH, THE IMPACT THAT THE DOLLAR GENERAL HAS ON EXISTING BUSINESSES.
SO, UH, OUR CONSULTANT, MR. RILEY SAYS THAT, UM, THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES THAT ARE DISCUSSED IN SEEKER.
I'M GONNA HAVE OUR ATTORNEY GIVE US A MEMO ON IT, JUST TO BE SURE.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS, WE WILL ADDRESS IT.
UM, TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF SEEKER.
UH, A COMMENT WE GOT TODAY THAT, UH, I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH RESIDENT SENT IT.
UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO IN THE SAME AREA WE HAD, UH, TIM HORTON'S PROJECT WHERE WE LOOKED AT TRAFFIC.
AND AS PEOPLE, THEY MAY REALIZE THAT TRAFFIC DOESN'T ALWAYS GO THE WAY THE RESIDENTS HOPE AS FAR AS A DECIDING FACTOR.
UM, BUT A PERSON BROUGHT UP TODAY, PEOPLE WALKING TO THE STORE, UM, WHICH IS INTERESTING AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS.
THIS IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN AS MOST OF THE HOUSES.
SO UNLIKE TIM HORTON'S, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WALK TO THE STORE FROM WHERE MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE, THEY'D HAVE TO CROSS SOUTHWESTERN.
NOW WE'VE HAD SIMILAR SITUATIONS ALONG ROUTE FIVE, WHERE THE HOUSES ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF A BUSY STREET, BUT MOST OF THOSE THAT I CAN REMEMBER, THERE'S A CROSSWALK WITH A LIGHT NEARBY.
SO, SO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, GETTING TO THE STORE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA ASK THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO I'M NOT AN EXPECT AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO OVERALL TRAFFIC ALSO.
UM, BUT SOUTHWESTERN IS, IS ALREADY A BUSY ROAD.
AND I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WITH US FOR TIM HORTON'S, UH, HAD SEEN HOW, HOW THAT COMES IN.
UM, AFTER SEEKER, THEN IT WOULD BE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS MORE ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS IN THE LAYOUT.
SOME OF THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AHEAD OF TIME AS FAR AS HOW IT WOULD FIT INTO COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER WITH THE TIM HORTONS, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ON HOW THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS VERY COMMERCIAL, WHICH DIDN'T FIT IN WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL RURAL TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, WHEN WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THESE ONLINE AND SOMEWHAT IN PERSON, WHAT
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WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, WE'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE DON'T CLOSE IT AT THAT MEETING.WE LEAVE IT OPEN SO PEOPLE CAN WRITE LETTERS, EMAILS, WATCH THE VIDEO THAT'S ON FACEBOOK AT A LATER DATE AND THEN GIVE COMMENTS.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT AND ALL THAT WILL COME INTO THE RECORD.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND, BUT IF THEY WANT TO COME IN HERE, THEY CAN.
SO YOU'LL HAVE BOTH OPTIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD BEFORE WE START TONIGHT.
UM, BILL, I CAN HELP WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, GOOGLE SEEKER HANDBOOK, SEQR HANDBOOK.
AND IN THERE THERE'S A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT COMPETITION.
ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT ASK UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW.
THERE'S NO THINGS THAT WE CAN ASK UNDER THAT, BUT SEEKER IS A BROADER FACTOR.
BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT, MATTER OF FACT, COMPETITION IS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM SEEKER.
YOU CAN'T LOOK AT COMPETITION.
YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, IF THIS BUSINESS COMES IN, IT'S GONNA PUT THIS BUSINESS OUT OUT OF BUSINESS.
IF WE WERE REZONING THE SITE, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE TOWN COULD SAY, THIS IS GONNA CAUSE A PROBLEM OR WHATEVER.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE BIG TOOL HERE IS OBVIOUSLY IS THE SEEKER ISSUE.
AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, START LOOKING THROUGH PART TWO, THE AF LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
PART TWO, THE F INCLUDES MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET INTO, OKAY, IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK TO THE STORE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET TO THE STORE? UM, TRA TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE A HUGE ISSUE ABOUT, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANALYZE HEALTH ROAD SOUTHWESTERN AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
AND AGAIN, I'VE GIVEN MEMOS BEFORE A GOOD SITE PLAN TALKS ABOUT, I MEAN, JUST AS WE USED TO SAY, JUST BECAUSE YOU MEET THE ZONING CODE DOESN'T MEAN THE PROJECT HAS TO BE APPROVED.
GOOD SITE PLANNING IS ALSO, AND, AND THE APPLICANT KNOWS THIS, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ON THE ONE SIDE, ON TWO SIDES OF THIS PROJECT.
GOOD, GOOD SITE PLANNING WOULD SAY, WE PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S ZONE COMMERCIAL OR NOT, THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
WE WILL ACCOMMODATE THEM IN AND TRY TO PROTECT THEM IN GOOD SITE PLANNING.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER OVER THE NEXT, NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
GO THROUGH PART TWO, THE AF READ THAT SEEKER HANDBOOK.
IT'LL HELP YOU IDENTIFY THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER IN THIS, IN THIS ACTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SECRET IMPORTANT THING.
SITE PLAN IS PART OF THAT ALSO, BUT THAT'S THE TWO ITEMS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
SO START GOING THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL HELP YOU WITH YOUR REVIEWS.
THE PUBLIC RAISES SOME GOOD ISSUES.
SOME ISSUES ARE MORE DIFFICULT THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DEAL WITH.
A LOT OF THE ISSUES MARKED BY THE PUBLIC ARE ISSUES THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IMPACTS THOSE HOUSES ON HEALTH ROAD IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND, AND AS FAR AS HEALTH ROAD GOES, UM, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE IT RESOLVED BEFORE WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN.
SO THIS PROJECT, THE DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED ON HEALTH ROAD.
UH, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF DOT WANTED IT THAT WAY.
THEY DIDN'T WANT A CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
UH, THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN SENT A LETTER TO NEW YORK STATE DOT ASKING THAT THEY RECONSIDER THAT 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT SOUTHWESTERN IS A SAFER OPTION THAN HAVING IT ONTO HEALTH.
UH, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD GAVE AN OPINION THAT HEALTH WAS SAFER THAN SOUTHWESTERN.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF A BACK AND FORTH.
UM, I'M GOING TO INVITE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD TO COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND, AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'LL COME OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE STATE WOULD CHANGE THEIR OPINION ON A CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO KEEP EVERYBODY UPDATED WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS OF WHERE THAT STUFF STANDS.
BUT, BUT NO THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO BOTH AND WE'D PREFER WHICHEVER ONE SEEMS SAFER.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
UH, I I'D LIKE FOR US TO BE, HAVE THAT RESOLVED BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO A PUBLIC HEARING COULD JUST FOCUS ON ONE DRIVEWAY, NOT TWO, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE.
IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE WHILE LONGER TO GET A FINAL ANSWER FROM STATE DOT BECAUSE IT IS A POLICY OF DOT.
THE POLICY, AND IT'S A NEW POLICY IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ON A CORNER THAT THEY PREFER YOU GO ONTO THE NON-STATE HIGHWAY.
IF WE CAN FIND REASONS WHY IT SHOULD GO OUT TO SOUTHWESTERN, THEY CAN, THEY CAN,
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BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE REASONING ON THE RECORD TO GO AGAINST THEIR POLICY.AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT CAME UP IN AN EMAIL, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THE EMAILS.
DREW, ONE PERSON TALKED ABOUT A CHANGE TO THE ROAD THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
I, I DON'T QUITE REMEMBER WHAT IT IS.
AND, AND WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES TO THAT ROAD.
BUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE CONTACTING THE DOTI DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO DOES MAKE THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS AND SEND THEM A LETTER ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER THE CHANGES BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENCE.
I, I, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT, THAT EMAIL, AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT THE DOT HAS MADE CHANGES TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD OVER THE YEARS.
THEY'VE EXPERIMENTED UP HERE WITH THE THREE LANE VERSUS THE TWO LANE, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW, AND I SHOULD KNOW THIS, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THAT LOCATION DOWN THERE, IF THEY'VE, IF THEY'VE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES, OBVIOUSLY, UM, FOR THIS TYPE OF, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT WHEN THEY DO THE FINISH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THEY USUALLY MAKE IS IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME TRAFFIC, YOU MAY HAVE A TURN LANE OR SOMETHING OR OTHER.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOT CONTROLS THAT HIGHWAY, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER ANY IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY IN THAT HIGHWAY.
RIGHT? WE, AND WE, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, BUT WE CAN, IF, IF WE LOOK AT IT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT CORNER, IF WE THINK THAT THERE'S SOME CHANGES, THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING US FROM WRITING A LETTER ASKING DOT TO CONSIDER MAKING THE CHANGES.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO US.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DO LISTEN TO US.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE DOT AND WE'VE LEARNED THIS OR WHATEVER, DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY UNLESS A, A USER GENERATES OVER A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR AT A PEAK TIME.
THIS IS NOT GONNA GENERATE A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN THE IT MANUAL.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE LOCAL CONCERNS AND LOCAL ISSUES.
I THINK ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ASKED, AND SARAH'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT, UM, THE SITUATION OF EXISTING, UH, ACCIDENTS AT THE HEALTH SOUTHWESTERN INTERSECTION.
I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST FOR THAT.
YEAH, WE, WE, YEAH, WE, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, YEAH, RESIDENT FO IT AND, UH, WE HAVE THE LIST OF, UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE REPORT FROM THE POLICE ON THE EXISTING SPEED LIMITS.
NU NUMBER OF POLICE CALLS TO DOLLAR GENERAL STORES AND ACCIDENTS AT THAT CORNER.
POLICE CALLS ME CAREFUL WITH
THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE, WE GET CONCERNED.
AGAIN, IF YOU'RE PICKING ON AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS OR NOT, IT'S RETAIL BUSINESS.
AND WE'RE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER FOR THE RECORD.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'LL HAVE OUR ATTORNEY, UH, GIVE US A MEMO ON THAT.
SO AFTER THAT, VERY LENGTHY AND PROBABLY EXCESSIVE INTRODUCTION, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, LET'S, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
I KNOW THIS IS A LATE NIGHT FOR YOU, AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE AND, UM, THINKING ABOUT OUR SITE AS WELL.
UM, WE DEFINITELY ARE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AND HEARING SOME OF THE THOUGHTS TONIGHT.
UM, I GUESS I, I, WHAT I HAD, UM, MY AGENDA, UM, FROM OUR LAST MEETING WERE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, UM, ABOUT THE FACADE.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD ASKED ME ABOUT LANDSCAPING, UM, AND PHOTOMETRIC DESIGN.
AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU RECEIVED THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT I SUBMITTED IN ADDITION TO, UM, UH, THREE TRAFFIC SUMMARIES FROM, UM, OTHER STORES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OURS.
UM, OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT GOES AHEAD AND STARTS TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD HAVE SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE TOPICS.
AND SO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD MAY NOT, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD MAY NOT BE, UM, INTERESTED AT THIS POINT IN NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE FACADE, UM, ITSELF.
NO, WE ARE, I JUST WAS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT FROM THE, THE PUBLIC.
WELL THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAD HIGH ON MY AGENDA JUST BECAUSE I THOUGHT THOSE WERE GONNA BE THE, UM, PRINCIPAL CONCERNS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT THIS MEETING.
BUT DEFINITELY, UM, I WILL DO MY BEST TO START, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE, THE SEEKER, UM, EAF, UH, I BELIEVE WE SUBMITTED THE LONG FORM AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT FROM MY INITIAL PACKET AND APPLICATION.
SO CAN WE PERHAPS START WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING? I WOULD LIKE TO,
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OKAY.I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACADE AND THE DRAWINGS.
I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND CONCERNS THERE, AND I, I GUESS THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO START BEFORE WE HIT THOSE.
SO I GUESS THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT THERE'S NOT A GOOD SETBACK FROM THE DISTANT, THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME TREES THERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REAL CLOSE, UM, TO THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY.
AND I'M WONDERING, UM, LAST MEETING YOU, SOME OF US HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR RENDERING YET, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED KIND OF A PREMIUM FOR UPGRADED EXTERIOR.
AND I GUESS I'M WONDERING, UM, YOU EXPLAINED HOW THIS IS UPGRADED AND I GUESS I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS, UM, IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN AND PARK.
I LOOKED AT THE
SO, UM, THE, I READ THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO THE SOUTHERN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND READING THROUGH SOME OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES IS WHERE WE STARTED WITH THIS CONCEPT.
SO, UM, SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT WE TRY TO PROVIDE ARE LIKE, UM, THE APPEARANCE OF WINDOWS.
UM, WE SAW THAT THERE, IT WAS ASKING FOR SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, SOME INTEREST.
SO WE RAISED SOME, WE DID THE RACE PARAPETS TO KIND OF GIVE SOME DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS.
WE USED A MIXTURE OF MATERIALS INCLUDING, UM, AN ENGINEERED BRICK AS WELL AS A HARDY BOARD PLANK.
UM, WE ADDED THE AWNINGS, UM, TO GIVE SOME MORE ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST.
AND THE GOOSENECK LIGHTS, THE MATERIALS, UM, IN PART WERE ALSO SELECTED BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS BEEN, UM, AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN USED AS A RESIDENTIAL USE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ZONED THAT WAY.
AND SO THE MATERIALS THAT WE SELECTED DO KIND OF GIVE THE STORE MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL TYPE FEEL, UM, BECAUSE IT IS THE HARDY PLATE BOARD AND IT IS THE BRICK APPEARANCE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
UM, WE DID THE, UM, THE GOOSE DECK LIGHTS BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SOFTER APPEARANCE, UM, THAN THE, THE TRADITIONAL LIGHTING PACKAGE.
AND SO WE DEFINITELY DID MAKE AN EFFORT TO DRESS UP THE STORE.
AND WE ALSO DID LOOK OF COURSE AT THE, UM, MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENT
AND WE SAW THAT THEY HAD HAD THE, YOU KNOW, THE RACE PARAPETS ON A COUPLE OF THE WALLS.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY KEY IN ON THE THINGS THAT THE TOWN HAD MAYBE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
AND WE DID BORROW SOME OF THOSE IDEAS FOR OUR CONCEPT.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE CAME TO IT.
UM, DEFINITELY THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ROOM THERE.
IF THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACK FOR US, WE COULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT.
BUT, UH, WE DEFINITELY DID TRY TO TAKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE INTO ACCOUNT ALONG WITH, UM, WHAT WE SAW IN THE AREA WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
SO I, I THINK THAT WHAT'S PROPOSED, THERE'S SOME GOOD FEATURES, BUT IT DOES LOOK VERY COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S A, A RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL TYPE AREA.
SO THE, THE ROOF LINE ESPECIALLY IS, IS IN MY OPINION, LIKE A, A COMMERCIAL TYPE LAYOUT, UM, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY FITS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF THERE'S SOME CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE TO THAT.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? UM, I WOULD AGREE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO SOFTEN IT FURTHER, IT STILL IS A VERY BOXY STRUCTURE.
UM, IT'S STILL, I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT THERE'S MORE THAT WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE IT.
AGAIN, THEY GIVE IT MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL FEEL, UM, MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, UM, THAT WOULD BE MUCH COMFORT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S HARDLY A GOOD WAYS TO HIDE IT.
YOU GUYS, AND I, I'M NOT GONNA TRY, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS, UM, KAILYN, YOU MENTIONED A STORE, I THINK IN EAST AURORA, AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE BUILT THAT STORE.
AND SO IF I'M THINKING OF THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF, IT KIND OF HAS, UM, THE FRONT ABOVE THE DOOR, IT KIND OF HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A PEAKED HAIR PET.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY OFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE STORE, IF THAT WOULD MAKE IT A MORE PLEASING APPEARANCE, UM, TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BUILDING, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, A, A PRETTY STANDARD, UM, FOOTPRINT.
SO, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO BASICALLY IS JUST KIND OF DRESS UP THE FACADE, BUT IT WOULD BASICALLY REMAIN THE SAME DIMENSIONS OF 70 FEET
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BY 130 FEET.AND I'M NOTICING, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS PRETTY BASIC.
UM, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A GREAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE DOLLAR GENERAL AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE NEARBY.
IS THERE ANY PLANS OR ATTEMPTS GONNA BE MADE TO ENHANCE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND, OKAY, SO, UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND, UM, SO I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF SETBACK THAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, AND SO THE, THE BUFFER THAT WE HAVE PUT THERE IS BASICALLY PROPOSED TO BE THE, UM, LARGER ARVA VITA TREES.
AND THERE AGAIN, UM, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED ON THE TIM PORT SIDE.
I NOTICED THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS USED FOR BUFFERING, I THINK, AGAINST THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS MAYBE A PRECEDENT THERE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
I BELIEVE AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH, UM, PLANNING BOARD MEMBER IT WAS, BUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, THE RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE A PREFERENCE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUFFERING PLANT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THERE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A FURNACE MATTER ROOM.
AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE VETA TREES ARE A NICE OPTION BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY GROW VERY DENSE AND THEY CAN GROW, GROW CLOSE TOGETHER, AND THEY GROW RELATIVELY TALL.
AND SO IT DOES PROVIDE A NICE DENSE BUFFER.
AND THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE SELECTED TO BE THERE.
UM, SO CAN I JUST RAISE ONE CONCERN HERE IS THAT, I GUESS ANYBODY AROUND HERE WOULD KNOW IS THAT IF, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THERE'S A LARGE SNOW COVER, THAT PROBLEM WITH THOSE, OUR, OUR VARIETIES IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A HEAVY SNOW COVER OR A DENSE WET SNOW AND IT GONE OUT, THEY KIND OF FLATTEN OUT AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO COMING BACK.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE IN THAT AREA TO DO ANYTHING, I, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
BUT IF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HAS THE PREFERENCE FOR THAT TYPE OF PLANTING, I WOULD BE, I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING PUT IN THERE THAT GETS FLATTENED UNDER A, A BRUTAL SMELL.
AND THAT
OH, SO, SO YOU'RE THE, THE PERSON THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
UH, SO I MEAN, AS I THINK I SAID BEFORE, AND WE'LL SAY IT AGAIN, AS FAR AS THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WE'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU THINK AN APPROPRIATE TYPE OF SCREEN WOULD BE.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THERE'S FENCES, BUSHES, TREES, UM, SO, SO WE, WE'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'D BE THE MOST IMPACTED BY IT.
SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE SOME TIME AND THINK ABOUT IT AND, AND GET SOMETHING TO US, THAT WOULD BE, WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT.
AND WHAT ABOUT ACROSS HEALTH? IS THERE, DOES THIS DRIVEWAY LINE UP TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE MM-HMM
THAT THAT'S YOUR HOUSE, SIR? IS THAT QUESTION FOR ME? UM, WELL, YES.
SO, SO THERE'S A, THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S PROPOSED IS, IS POINTS STRAIGHT AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD PROPOSED TO TO MAKE IT BASICALLY SO HEADLIGHTS DON'T SHINE INTO THAT PERSON'S HOUSE, UH, WHENEVER SOMEBODY PULLS OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY? RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN VISIBILITY AT THE, AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN AND ALSO EXITING SAFELY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, PREVENT THE, THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET, PERHAPS IF THEY WANTED TO PUT UP ANY KIND OF SCREENING ON THEIR PROPERTY, UM, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING FOR OUR PARTICULAR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE STORE, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN ON THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, UM, WE DID CONTAIN THE, THE LIGHTS VILLAGE PRETTY WELL.
UM, DEFINITELY EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, OF COURSE, UH, THE LAST MEETING DID STIPULATE, UM, THAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE THE LIGHTS, UM, BEING TURNED OFF AFTER THE STORE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR THE EVENINGS.
AND SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY HELP TO DO, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, HELP PREVENT, UM, MAYBE DISCOMFORT IN THE EVENING HOURS, UM, WHERE THOSE HEADLIGHTS WOULD BE ON, I GUESS.
BUT RIGHT THERE AT THE DRIVEWAY, UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE'S, YOU, YOU JUST DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BLOCK ANYBODY'S VIEW.
AND SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO THERE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE DID PUT IN THE BUFFER, UM, THAT'S, UM, I GUESS SOUTH OF THE, UM, SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO WE, WE DID PUT IN SOME TREES THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD FOLIAGE THERE AS
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WELL AS SOME LOW LYING PLANTS, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, HEADLIGHTS WOULD KIND OF BE BUFFERED MORE IF THEY'RE, IF ANYBODY'S CHOOSING TO PARK ON THAT SIDE OF THE DRIVE AISLE.SO, ON, ON YOUR, YOUR MAP HERE, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE SHAPES ARE THE DRIVEWAYS FOR THE OPPOSING LOTS.
SO THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE TOPO OF THE SITE OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S ANY WAY FOR THIS BUILDING TO MOVE CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK, CLOSER TO HEALTH ROAD AND FLIPPING THE, THE PARKING LOT OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE.
OKAY, SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
YOU WOULD WANT THE BUILDING TO BE CLOSER TO HEALTH ROAD NO CLOSER.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN, CAN YOU SLIDE IT CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN AND GIVE A BIGGER SETBACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE BEHIND YOU, AND THEN CLOSER TO HEALTH ROAD, REMOVING THE PARKING LOT THAT'S ALONG HEALTH ROAD AND FLIPPING IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOU NOW HAVE TO CLOSE STORM MORE, RIGHT.
AND AM I MOVING CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN? YOU, YOU KIND OF MOVE THAT OTHER, THAT PARKING LOT ON THAT SIDE.
SO THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE AND THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE HEALTH SIDE.
AND IF IT'S MOVED UP CLOSER OR, AND THEN I, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S MY TRAFFIC GUYS, BUT THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 150, 170 FEET AWAY FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE YOU CAN GO TO SOUTHWESTERN AND HAVE THAT ENTRANCE AND GET IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, THE DRIVEWAYS HERE.
I KNOW THERE'S A RESTRICTION, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
AND, AND LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT OF THE DRIVEWAYS, ASSUMING THE HOUSES ARE IN BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT? MOVING, MOVING THIS DRIVEWAY BOOM, MOVING THE DOLLAR GENERAL DRIVEWAYS FARTHER AWAY, FARTHER ISN'T, IS, MIGHT SOLVE HIS PROBLEM, BUT MAKE IT FOR HIS NEIGHBOR.
BUT THERE SOME SPACE CLOSER TO THAT.
AND THEN THIS BUILDING SLIDES THIS WAY AND UP AND THAT WAY YOU MAYBE PUT A PARKING OVER HERE.
AGAIN, I REALIZE IT'S AN ENGINEERING ISSUE.
IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST MOVING STUFF ON A DRAWING.
I MEAN, THERE ARE REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE THE LOW PART OF THE SITE WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A MANAGEMENT ON BOTH SIDES.
SO, SO PRESUMABLY IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS, WAS HERE LINED UP AT THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T AIM AT HIS HOUSE OR HIS NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, HIS HOUSE.
WHEN YOU SAY THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH PROPERTY? THE PROPERTY LINE FOR? UM, IT'S THE ZI PROPERTY AND THE PAPA PROPERTY.
THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE THE SPOT WHERE THERE'S THE MOST SPACE, BUT IT MAY BE CLOSE HOUSES SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT YEAH, IT TOO CLOSE TO SOUTHWESTERN SLID THIS UP LIKE THIS.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLACE HERE ON, BUT, BUT HERE, MAYBE YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT AND IT'S NOT GOING RIGHT INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD SUGGESTED THAT IT'D BE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE AND THIS, AND, AND IF WE MOVE IT THIS WAY, SO, SO MAYBE IT DOES GO TO HIS HOUSE, BUT IT GOES TO THIS PERSON'S OR THAT PERSON'S WELL, AND, AND MRS. JABLONSKY DOESN'T WANT IT DOWN HERE.
NEXT IS PERHAPS THERE A WAY TO, UM, AT LEAST MAKE THE RIGHT TURN OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY TO PUT SOME SORT OF LITTLE NOTCH BE ISLAND IN IT SO THAT THOSE MAKING A RIGHT TURN OUT ON THE HILLS ROAD NOT SHINING DIRECTLY SO THAT THEY'VE BEEN ANGLED FOR THE RIGHT TURN.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
WE'D HAVE TO SEE IF THE ANGLE SOLVES ONE PROBLEM AND CREATES ANOTHER.
'CAUSE THE ANGLE MIGHT POINT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE.
THAT'S THE, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, HAVE THE DRIVEWAY LAYOUT, UM, THAT MEETS THE ENGINEER STANDARDS.
AND SO I, I MEAN, THE EASIEST THING WOULD, WOULD IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I WOULD LEAVE IT THE COUNTY ENGINEERS TO DECIDE HOW THE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TO MEET THEIR STANDARDS.
I MEAN, THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WOULD BE TO CONVINCE THE DOT TO ALLOW A CURB CUT ON A SOUTHWESTERN AND THEN IT WOULD SHINE.
ITS IN HORTON'S AND IT WOULDN'T MATTER.
UM, SO YEAH, SO, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN
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DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YEAH, THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE A A, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG PROBLEM.WELL, YES, IF, IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN, UM, THEN SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
RIGHT? UM, WE NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE PARKING ON THAT HEALTH ROAD SIDE.
WE CAN SHIFT THE PARKING TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SIDE OF THE STORE.
UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER ALONG HEALTH ROAD ITSELF.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE BOUNDARY, UM, BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND, UM, THE PROPERTY BEHIND US, JOSEPH AND KIM KY MM-HMM
I'M NOT SAY THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO AFFECT THAT MUCH CHANGE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO STILL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT PARKING HAVE TO HAVE, UM, ROOM FOR OUR TRUCK.
UH, THE TRUCKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MANEUVER FOR DELIVERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND FOR GET IN AND OFF OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE A BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D STILL ONLY BE ABLE TO MAYBE RESOLVE, YOU KNOW, A A FEW OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST RAISED.
I, I JUST FEAR THAT, THAT THAT REAR, UM, OR I GUESS AS A SIDE STEP BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO REALLY BUDGE THAT ALL THAT MUCH JUST BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSION OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE AMOUNT, BY THE WAY YOU BRING UP THE TRUCK ISSUE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER.
I DON'T SEE TURNING RADIUSES FOR LARGE TRUCKS HERE.
I MEAN, ARE THESE SMALL, SMALL TRUCKS OR NOT SEMIS, RIGHT? I'VE SEEN SEMIS DELIVER THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TURNING RADIS FOR, FOR, FOR A TRUCK.
YOU'D HAVE TO BACK OUT OF THERE.
THAT'S A 25 FOOT TURNING RATE IS UP THERE THAT THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE BACKING A TRUCK AROUND THAT IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN S ROAD TOO.
IS THAT, UM, RATED TO HANDLE MY SEMI? WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE COUNTY ON THAT, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT LIMIT? YEAH, BUT THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF POTHOLES ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? A LOT OF POTHOLE.
I JUST, I JUST SEE, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET YOU A CURVE CUT OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S SAFER ON HEALTH.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA MAKE A LEFT ON SOUTHWESTERN ARE GONNA COME OUT AND HEALTH AND MAKE A LEFT ON SOUTHWESTERN ANYWAY.
AND IT'S NOT ANY SAFER THAN MAKING A LEFT OVER HERE.
AND THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE WILL GO DOWN HEALTH ROAD, WELL, YOU WOULD COME OUT AND SOUTHWESTERN MAKE A RIGHT AND MAKE A RIGHT ON THE HEALTH.
I MEAN, IT'S STILL, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS STILL GONNA GO.
I I I DON'T, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR BOARD.
CAN WE, CAN WE INVITE SOMEBODY FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY TO COME TO OUR OCTOBER 7TH MEETING? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA GO SOUTH ON SOUTHWESTERN ARE GONNA GO OUT HEALTH AND MAKE A LEFT ON, ON SOUTHWESTERN, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THERE'S, IT'S NOT ANY EASIER MAKING A LEFT FROM THERE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GET THEIR INPUT AND AS, AS A PLANNING BOARD, WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO, AFTER, AFTER WE GET THAT INPUT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE OF A DIFFERENT OPINION, UM, WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA SEND A LETTER TO DOT MAYBE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT THE SUPERVISOR DID, OR IF WE AGREE WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY, THEN WELL, I ALSO THINK THAT, I MEAN, HAVING SPOKEN WITH THESE GUYS MANY, MANY TIMES, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT ISN'T JUST WHICH ACCESS IS STATE.
HE DOESN'T WANT A DRIVEWAY TO DOLLAR GENERAL ACROSS FROM HIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN THAT'S, AND THAT'S ALSO JUST INITIAL STAKE, DON'T WANT ACCESS BECAUSE WELL, WELL, YEAH.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, UM, I MEAN TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PULL ON A DOLLAR GENERAL AT EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S DARK AND THE, THE HEADLIGHTS WILL, WILL SHINE INTO HIS HOUSE.
THAT'S, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO AVOID IF POSSIBLE.
CAN I ASK WHEN DELIVERIES ARE MADE? UH, SO, SO WHEN WOULD DELIVERIES BE MADE? UH, WHAT TIME OF DAY OR IS THAT, IS THAT RESTRICTED TO A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY OR IS IT NOT? UM, DELIVERIES ARE MADE DURING, NOR JUST NORMAL STORE HOURS.
SO, UM, THAT GOES FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL TRUCK OR ANY OTHER TRUCK THAT'S SERVICING THE STORE.
UM, AND THE, UM, MANAGER OF THE STORE ACTUALLY CAN HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER WHEN THE, THE VARIOUS DELIVERY TRUCKS ARRIVE.
BUT THEY WOULD ALL COME DURING JUST NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'VE SEEN A DOZEN OR SO OF THESE, YOU MAKE DELIVERIES THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, RIGHT? THERE'S NO LOADING DOCK OR ANYTHING, RIGHT? WELL, WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LOADING AREA.
AND SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE,
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IT IS NEAR THE DUMPSTER AREA YEAH, BACK HERE.SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, NO, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO RECEIVING AREA.
SO YOU HAVE A TRUCK PULL IN HERE AND THEN BACK ALL THE WAY BACK OUT AGAIN.
UM, WELL THE, THE TRUCK WOULD ACTUALLY PULL IN, THEY WOULD PULL STRAIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE AND THEN BACK, BACK DOWN, AND THEN THEY WOULD BACK IN TO THE DELIVERY AREA.
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT.
'CAUSE THE CODE DOES REQUIRE US TO HAVE TO HAVE LOADING AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND NOT REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BE BACKING UP AND WHATEVER.
UM, BUT IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
I KNOW SOME OF THE OLDER DOLLAR GENERALS USED TO JUST DROP OFF AT THE FRONT DOOR.
I REMEMBER SEEING THEM ALL DROP OFF AT THE FRONT DOOR.
BUT THESE ARE SEMIS, RIGHT? UM, YES.
THESE WOULD BE A, JUST A NORMAL SIZE DELIVERY TRUCK.
AND, AND WE HAVE TESTED THE MODELS AND THEY DO WORK ON THE SITE THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL TAKE THAT ALSO IS THE, IS THE DUMPSTER RIGHT UP THERE IN THE FRONT? THE DUMPSTER'S RIGHT NEXT TO THIS? NO DUMPSTER'S IN THE BACK.
IT'S NEXT TO THE LOADING AREA.
SO IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CHANGE? UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING ABOUT FLIPPING IT.
I THINK YOU COULD TIE IT IN THE CORNER.
HOPEFULLY IT'D BE NICE IF I GET IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
BUT THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL
AND I UNDERSTAND THE REACTION, IF WE PUSH IT CLOSER, WE GET LESS PARKING IN THE FRONT, BUT COULD YOU PICK UP MORE PARKING OVER HERE? I DON'T KNOW.
WAIT, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO WE ACTUALLY NEED FOR THIS? AND IS PART THE REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKINGS ON THE, THE DELIVERY SIDE? JUST BECAUSE WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL PAID BLANK FOR DELIVERIES.
IF, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE IS NO MORE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAN THE CODE, YOU MAKE THE DECISION THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT WHY THEY WANT THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING.
IS THIS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU NEED? IS THIS WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED YOUR MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING NOW? SO, SO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PARKING LOT POTENTIALLY BEING IS, IS RIGHT NOW WHERE THE PROPOSED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY IS NOW CAMMIE, I, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE THROWN OUT IDEAS LIKE THAT AND THE ENGINEERS SAID THAT THE MAN, THE STORM WATER HAS TO BE IN, IN THAT SPOT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ELEVATIONS ARE.
UM, IS THERE SOMETHING, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU, YOU CAN GET BACK TO US AT A DIFFERENT MEETING.
IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND NOT THE OTHER SIDE? OR, OR EVEN THE BACK LOOKS, I'M SORRY, CAMMIE, YOU'RE SO MUCH MORE, UM, ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AND THE ELEVATIONS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN JUST GIVE AN ANSWER.
YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
BASED OFF OF MY UNDERSTANDING WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, UM, AND LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY, THIS, ONE OF THE REASONS WE PUT THE STORM WATER THERE IS THAT IT IS NATURALLY THE LOWER PART OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, THE, THE STORM WATER IS GOING TO JUST NATURALLY WANNA FLOW IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT WE COULD STILL, UH, FROM, FROM JUST OUR GENERAL, YOU KNOW, SKETCH, PRELIMINARY SKETCH PLAN, UM, WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR STORM WATER ON THAT SIDE.
EVEN IF WE DID HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THAT SIDE.
WE JUST HAVE TO, YOU, WE HAVE TO SCOOT THE STORE OVER A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IT WOULD STILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIT WITHIN THE SETBACK AREAS AND, UM, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE PARKING ALONG HEALTH ROAD.
THE PARKING WOULD BE MORE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'LL WORK ON THE ENTRANCE TO SOUTHWESTERN.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT SOLVES THE OTHER PROBLEM.
IF I CAN GET THE PARKING LOT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE AND THE ENTRANCE AWAY FROM THE, UH, RESIDENCE, THEN, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN PULL THE BUILDING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, FURTHER.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR LIMITATION HERE AND GET A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, AND AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THE CODE, I UNDERSTAND FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, THE ZONING CODE SAYS SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
SO EVEN THOUGH UNFORTUNATELY THESE PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT THAT THEIR HOUSES ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL, UM, IT, THEY ARE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN A GOOD SITE PLANNING.
GOOD SITE PLANNING WOULD SAY, JUST LIKE THE CODE, I DON'T WANT THESE THINGS ABUTTING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
I'M NOT TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, BUT CAN BE DEVELOPED IN A BETTER WAY TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ALL AROUND YOU.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS IN THE, IN THE C TWO ZONE, BUT LET'S TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I'M SURE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE
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THEY WERE ZONED COMMERCIAL, DID NOT KNOW IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 30 YEARS.I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT TO BE THAT WAY, BUT EVERYTHING IS ZONED COMMERCIAL BETWEEN SOUTHWESTERN AND, AND THE THROUGHWAY IN THIS LITTLE CORNER.
IT'S THE ONLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OTHER THAN ACROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT.
WOULD IT BEEN COMMERCIAL? I CAN'T SPEAK BEFORE 1995.
I CAME TO THE TOWN IN 1995 AND THAT PROPERTY WAS ALL ZONED COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT ZONED, WHETHER IT HAPPENED AFTER YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE BETWEEN WHATEVER, THAT TIME PERIOD.
BUT SINCE 1995, THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN ZONED FEE TOO PROCEDURE.
AND THAT IS THAT, THAT IF IT WAS ZONED CORRECTLY, WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO HAVE 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON? RIGHT.
IF IT WAS ZONED THERE, THERE WOULD BE REP.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE INTENT OF THE TOW IS TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME CLOSE TO MEETING THAT, ALTHOUGH THE CODE SAYS DISTRICT.
AND WOULD IT HAVE BEEN EVEN WORTH THEIR WHILE TO BUILD IT THERE IF IT WAS ZONED CORRECTLY? WELL, IF IT WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A STORE THERE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADJO, IF HER HOUSE WAS, WAS ZONED CORRECTLY, RIGHT? THEY, THEY'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME FITTING THAT SIZE STORE ON THERE, CORRECT? IF, IF THE ROUNDING PROPERTY WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
RIGHT? BUT IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION.
GOOD SITE PLANNING, UH, YOU KNOW, FORMER PLANNING BOARD CHAIR, I USED TO QUOTE HIM ALL THE TIME.
HE SAID, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING MEANS ZONING DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOOD SITE PLANNING.
OUR JOB IS TO DO GOOD SITE PLANNING.
UM, I MEAN WE CAN'T ARBITRARY, BUT GOOD SITE PLANNING SAYS YOU'RE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
LET'S TRY TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
SEEKER WILL TELL YOU, ARE WE IMPACTING THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES? SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE IMPACTS AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR TONIGHT? UM, SO YEAH, I I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS COME BACK ON OCTOBER 7TH AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UM, I MEAN IF THEY DON'T COME, THEY DON'T COME.
BUT WE CAN INVITE SOMEBODY FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY AND, AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND AFTER THAT DISCUSSION, DECIDE AS A BOARD IF WE WANT TO TRY AND CONVINCE STATE DEPARTMENT OF DOT OR WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO, TO MAYBE CHANGE THE, THE OUTLETS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK INTO BECAUSE IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THIS PROJECT WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK.
SO, UM, BUT BY THE WAY, ARE, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT THERE IN ANOTHER TOWN? I REPRESENT.
THE TOWN OF WHEATFIELD HAS THE IDENTICAL PROJECT ON NIAGARA FALLS BOULEVARD, WHERE THEY HAVE A STATE HIGHWAY AND A, AND A RESIDENTIAL STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING THE ENTRANCE ONTO THE RESIDENTIAL STREET DOLLAR GENERAL, NOT ONE YEAR IN THE TOWN OF WHEATFIELD, BUT IT'S THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
AND THEY'RE PETITIONING THE DOT TO ALLOW 'EM TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE ON THE, ON THE NIAGARA BOULEVARD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO IF THEY GET TO DO IT AND WE DON'T, THEN THAT MAKES US LOOK BAD.
SO I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP TO OCTOBER 7TH, THIRD.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
UM, EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE THE BIG TREE FIRE FALL IS ON SOUTH PARK? MM-HMM
SO GATEWAY PRINTING BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO FOR A PARTICULARLY BIG, UM, CONTRACT THAT THEY HAD.
AND THEN THEY LOST THE CONTRACT.
AND SO THEN THEY WERE LEASING IT TO SOMEONE WHO THROUGH COVID, COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE PAYMENTS ON THE RENT.
NOW THEY'VE FOUND A BUYER FOR THE PROPERTY THE GUY MAKES, UM, HE BUILDS SHEDS, PEOPLE ORDER SHEDS, HE BUILDS THEM INSIDE THE BUILDING, UM, AND THEN DELIVERS THEM.
HE IS COMING FOR A USE VARIANCE IN OCTOBER BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE ZONE IN WHICH THIS FIRE HALL IS LOCATED.
AND I JUST WANTED, ROGER WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU THE HEADS UP THAT HE IS GOING FOR A VARIANCE IN OCTOBER, A USE VARIANCE.
SO IF HE GETS IT, HE WILL BE COMING TO YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WILL IT COME TO US FIRST, SARAH, FOR US? NO, WE DON'T.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GO AND SEEKER
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NOW? YEP.UHHUH NOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY, THEY HAVE TO DO A COORDINATED REVIEW IF THEY'RE MAKING A SEEKER DECISION AND GET INPUT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
OTHERWISE, THE PLANNING BOARD THEN HAS TO DO THEIR OWN SEEKER AFTERWARDS.
SO, OH, WE DIDN'T DO THAT ON THE LOE TRAILER.
WE DID, BUT WE NEED TO DO THAT.
WELL ANYWAY, ROGER JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S COMING TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? I FOR ONE SECOND.
YES, DENNIS IN WESTERN NEW YORK, UH, WE REALLY FEEL THE GOING THROUGH THE STORM AND EVERYTHING DOWN SOUTH.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN SOUTH TOO, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S VACATIONS AREN'T BEING RUINED AND ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS JUST THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF EVERYONE.
BUT, UM, AND I WANNA THANK THIS, THIS BOARD AS WELL.
I I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE ACCOMMODATION THAT YOU'VE MADE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND REMOTELY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS IN YOUR COMMENTS AND THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU'RE GIVING ME.
SO, UM, I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU AND, UM, DELIVERING A GOOD DEVELOPMENT TO, TO YOUR TOWN.
SO I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
OKAY, SO ANYTHING ELSE IN OTHER BUSINESS? NO.
UM, WE DO HAVE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING AS TYPED MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SECOND BY, I'M GONNA GIVE THIS CREDIT TO, DOES THIS COME FOR THIS TIME? BECAUSE I GAVE HER NO, I GAVE HER CREDIT FOR YOUR MOTION.
OR, OR DID I DO THE OTHER WAY AROUND LAST TIME TOO?
OKAY, SO SECOND BY MR. MCCORMICK.
BECAUSE, UH, MR. SHAW WAS NOT HERE.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
I WAS WORRIED YOU WEREN'T GONNA GET GETTING A SECOND THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING SO LATE.
UM, THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME BY.