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IT WOULD'VE BEEN SHORTER THAN THE BUILDING.
NOW IT'S GONNA BE, AND ROGER WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE STILL OKAY.
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HE SAYS IN HERE THEY HAVE EIGHT EMPLOYEES, NOT INCLUDING THE TWO OWNERS.THE EMPLOYEES USUALLY TAKE THE COMPANY VEHICLES HOME WITH THEM AT THE END OF THE WORKDAY.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT HERE? SARAH? CAN WE GET A A, DO THEY HAVE A SURVEY OR ANYTHING THAT WE COULD WAIVER? I'D LIKE THE, THE DRAWING AND SAY THESE HAVE, ARE THEY NOT IN A HURRY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN, THEY'RE ALREADY IN.
I MEAN, WE TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THEY'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES OUTSIDE.
WE CAN TAKE OUR TIME NOT BUILDING, RIGHT.
WHY DON'T WE AROUND SO EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT IT AND PICK IT UP AGAIN AT OUR NEXT MEETING AGAIN.
UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO, YOU ALREADY HAVE THREE THINGS ON THE WELL, I THINK THEY SHOULDA NEVER IN TO WANT RUSH THIS THROUGH.
THE THIRD ONE IS, UM, I BELIEVE I FORWARDED YOU ALL THIS WOMAN'S EMAIL.
HER NAME IS NICOLE BONAR AND SHE LIVES AT 59 90 LAKE CREST DRIVE.
AND BACK IN 2006 OR SO, WHEN, UH, HER, THIS WAS A LITTLE TWO LOT
SO CONSERVATION EASEMENT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE BACK OF HER PROPERTY, BELIEVE, YES.
AND THEN SHE BOUGHT THIS, SHE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY OR, OR THE HOUSE, SORRY, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO AND, UH, KNEW ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEY'VE GOT A LARGE HOUSE AND A LARGE POOL AND WHATEVER.
THEY WOULD LIKE PERMISSION TO REMOVE PART OF THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT SO THEY CAN PUT A, UM, SOME KIND OF A STORAGE, COLD STORAGE BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY WANNA PUT IT IN THE AREA.
SHE TALKED TO US ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
WE TOLD HER NO, BECAUSE WE REALLY SHOULDN'T
SO, BUT UM, SHE, SHE WANTS TO PUT IN FRONT OF US.
WELL, NO, NOT IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE SO SHE DEALT WITH ATTORNEY AND COUNTER ATTORNEY BASICALLY THE SAME THING WE DID WAS PRETTY DIFFICULT.
WE AREN'T IN THE HABIT OF DOING THAT BECAUSE, BUT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE TOWN BOARD ANYWAY.
SO TOWN BOARD HAS REFERRED IT TO YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER OR NOT REMOVE, SO I MEAN OUR, OUR THOUGHTS, LIKE WE GUESS WHAT THEY ARE.
DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND PART EASEMENT? THE WHOLE POINT OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS A, IS BASICALLY SIMILAR TO A DEEP RESTRICTION, RIGHT? AND THAT IF WE PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IN PLACE, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE, YOU KNOW, PART SOMETHING ELSE.
I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF HUGE EMERGENCY OR EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE SHOULD BE ALLOWING A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO BE, THERE'S BEEN TAX BENEFITS IN OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT HAD THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO CONVINCE US, CALIN.
I THINK THAT WAS WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING.
UM, SO, UM, ALSO, UM, SHE, THE WOMAN WHO'S ASKING THIS, UM, BOUGHT PROPERTY, PRESUMABLY KNOWING THERE, RIGHT? UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, I, LIKE I'VE TOLD OTHER PEOPLE, I GET CALLS MAYBE TIMES FROM A RESIDENT WHO LIVES NEAR AND THEY'LL SAY, WHAT ARE MY CHANCES?
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AND I DON'T THINK IT NO, THERE DOESN'T DO THAT.UH, WE ON THAT OR YOU'RE UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE, UH, BECAUSE WE DID IT UNDER, UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, I DON'T OH, WE CAN'T, IT'S NOT AGENDA, RIGHT? SO YOU COULD EITHER PUT IT ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MEETING AND VOTE ON IT THEN, SO THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY MADE A RESOLUTION TO SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE SHOULD BACK IN THE SAME MANNER.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ON OUR AGENDA, BUT, UM, DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO DISCUSS ON.
SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH A REGULAR WORK SESSION.
UM, AS, AS A REMINDER, THE WORK SESSIONS, THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE THESE PROJECTS, SO WE DON'T WANNA, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
IT'S KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW TO SEE IF WE WANT THINK IT'S WORTH PUTTING ON THE REGULAR MEETING, UM, OR IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SEE IF IT'S WORTH PAYING THE FEE TO GET ON THE REGULAR LIKELY, UH, FIRST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION IS BOSTON STATE HOLDINGS.
CO LLC REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CEDAR VALLEY APARTMENTS LOCATED NORTH OF EAST PLEASANT AVENUE, WEST OF THE THRUWAY ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED JULY 15, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CLARK INCORPORATED.
SO THE ONE THAT'S GOING OVER THE INTERNET IS OVER THERE.
SO YOU GUYS MIGHT STAND NEXT TO THAT ONE.
WE DON'T KNOW, SORRY, GEAR HERE NEXT TO THE, THAT'S JUST PROBABLY BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN SEE YOU.
THEY CAN SEE YOU, WE CAN HELP YOU OFF, CAN SEE YOU.
THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD FROM CLARK, ME TONIGHT ALSO IS JACK AND RUSO FROM COMPANY LC AND ALSO TOM RA FROM SNYDER ARCHITECTS AND HOPKINS APPEARS MANY OF THESE MEETINGS, UM, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IN CONNECTION WITH PRESENTING A RELI PLAN FOR THE CEDAR VALLEY APARTMENT PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT HAD BEEN APPROVED
THIS PROJECT HAD BEEN APPROVED IN 2015 BY THIS BOARD, UH, FOR A PROJECT THAT WAS MORE INTENSIVE AS FAR AS THE BUILDING COVERAGE, PARKING LOTS AND GARAGES.
UM, CEDAR VALLEY APARTMENTS IS PART OF THE PLEASANT DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN 2013.
UM, THE SUBDIVISION HAS ROUGHLY 64 LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ALREADY.
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS NOT GONE FORWARD BECAUSE SWEAT, UH, IT NEEDED TO HAVE A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, WHICH, UH, THE OWNERS HAD TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU NOW IN A, IN A DIFFERENT FORM THAT HAS A GREAT DEAL MORE GREEN SPACE, UH, AS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SET PLANS.
AND, UM, TOM, I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO YOU ON THIS BECAUSE, UH, SCHNEIDER ARCHITECT CREATED THIS SITE PLAN.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE YOU TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
UH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, JEFF IS GONNA SPEAK WHY WE'RE CHANGING THIS.
BUT THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES IS THAT WE TOOK A NEW LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN.
IT WAS KIND OF, UH, 18 OF THE SAME BUILDINGS SPREAD OUT OVER A LOT OF PARKING.
AND FUNDAMENTALLY WE DECIDED RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT SO MUCH PARKING THROUGHOUT.
WE LOOKED AT HOW CAN WE BRING GREEN SPACE TO THE PLANT.
SO WE CREATED A NEW CONCEPT WHERE WE HAD A GREEN SPACE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE MIDDLE OF THE SITE WITH, UH, PATHWAYS, WALKWAYS, PLAYGROUNDS, LANDSCAPING, UH, KIND OF THE OTHER SITE WAS KIND OF THESE
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BUILDINGS THAT, UH, WASSO NOW, NOW WE HAVE THIS GREEN SPACE SURROUNDED BY THE BUILDING.
UH, THE PREVIOUS PLAN WAS 18 BUILDINGS, ALL SIMILAR.
THIS IS FOUR DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES.
UH, AND TWO OF THEM ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER TWO.
UH, TWO ARE KIND OF LAID OUT LIKE TOWNHOUSE TYPE BUILDINGS, MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME MORE GARDEN STYLE BUILDINGS THAT, SO THIS IS THE THROUGHWAY HERE.
UH, THIS IS THE CEDAR PROJECT COMING INTO HERE.
THIS IS THE PHASE THREE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SIGNIFICANTLY THE PARKING ON THIS SITE, UH, IT WAS ALL OPEN PARKING WITH SOME GARAGES ALONG THE BACK AGAINST THE THROUGHWAY.
YOU'VE INCORPORATED ALL THE PARKING INTO THE BUILDING AND ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGES AGAIN, MORE, MORE CHARACTER WITH, UH, THIS TYPE OF BUILDING PRODUCT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT A HUGE CHANGE FROM, FROM WHAT THE SITE WAS AND ALL BETTER ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE.
UH, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT SINCE, UH, EARLY ON THE BEGINNING.
UH, UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
IF I COULD JUST EXPLAIN KIND OF THE CONCEPT HERE, BECAUSE, UM, WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT, FIRST OF ALL, WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, APARTMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN TOWN RIGHT NOW.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE PLENTIFUL.
AND, UM, NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM 'EM.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THE, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW HAVE A LOT OF VERY SIMILAR UNITS, UH, KIND OF STACKED IN THE, UH, PARKING AREA.
SO I WENT TO JAKE SCHNEIDER, ALSO A HAMBURG RESIDENCE.
UM, AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY? KNOW WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE TIME OUTSIDE CAROLINAS, COLORADO, THIS AND THAT IS, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAT NOBODY ELSE IS DOING? AND JAKE AND I KIND OF BRAINSTORM SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND CALL IT THE VILLAGE AT CEDAR VALLEY.
INSIDE, WE'VE GOT A ONE MILE JOGGING TRACK HERE.
WE'VE GOT A LAP POOL HERE, A FITNESS FACILITY INSIDE THE, UH, UH, COMMUNITY BUILDING.
THERE'S ALSO ROOM IN THE COMMUNITY BUILDING TO HOST EVENTS AND PARTIES.
UH, IF ANYBODY HERE WANTED TO, TO HAVE MULTIPLE GUESTS, AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN SMALL RESIDENCE.
UM, EVERY SINGLE UNIT HERE HAS A GARAGE SPACE AND OTHER, UH, PARKING SPACE OUTSIDE THE UNIT THAT THEY CAN USE FOR THEMSELVES.
UM, THERE'S A PRIVATE DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, A NICE SLOW SPEED LIMIT DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, CURB PARKING CUTOUTS OVER HERE, UH, ALONG THE THROUGHWAY SIDE FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS ADDITIONAL GUESTS IN ANY OF THESE OTHER BUILDINGS.
THE CONCEPT THAT I HAD, UH, HERE AFTER, UM, SPENDING A FEW YEARS, A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, UH, AROUND THE CITY, UH, NORTH, SOUTH, DOWNTOWN, EVERYWHERE, UH, THERE'S NEVER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO, UH, SPEND SOME TIME TOGETHER.
SO WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO JAKE, I SAID, LISTEN, I WANT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO BE THE FRONT AND FRONT TO BE THE BACK.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTIES, AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE EXTERIOR DESIGN, WE SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME ON THE INTERIOR DESIGN FOR LIFESTYLE LIVING.
THEY'RE ALL OPEN FLOOR PLANS, BUT THE BACKSIDE, WE'LL HAVE PATIOS WINDOWS.
THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHT, THESE UNITS FIGURING A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE WALKING AND, AND PLAYING IN THIS, UH, GREEN SPACE HERE, HOPING THAT PEOPLE GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, KIND OF CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, WHICH FITS WITH OUR PLEASANT DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE OUTSIDE.
SO I THINK, UM, JAKE AND TOM DID A GREAT JOB OF BRINGING ALL THOSE CONCEPTS TOGETHER.
WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE AS SOON AS WE WERE DONE WITH IT, IT WAS KIND OF ANTIQUATED, ALL IN THE STRAIGHT LINE, ALL ROAD.
HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS IN THIS PROPOSAL? SAME EXACT UNITS, STILL 44.
LOOKING AT NATURAL MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING, CEMENT SIDING, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, UH, YOU KNOW, NICE.
UH, I HAVE TO HAVE THESE FIT IN WITH THE HOUSES THAT WE'RE ALREADY BUILDING RIGHT NOW SO THAT EVERYTHING CLOSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE BACK PAGE OF THE HANDOUT THAT YOU HAVE HAS THE, THE PREVIOUS APPROVED PLAN.
UM, WE JUST WANTED TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UM, A DRAW TO, UH, DISSECT
AND WE'RE ALMOST THERE WITH THE, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT THE INSIGHTS DONE, WE GOTTA WORK ON THE, UH, CUT AND FINISH THE OUTSIDE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT BEHIND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE TODAY.
AND I THINK WITH THE ADDITION OF THE JOGGING PATH, THERE'S A STATION NATURE PLAY AREA.
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ANY OTHER OPINIONS ON IT? HOW MANY GARAGES? PREVIOUS, SINGLE, SINGLE CAR? YES.ARE THESE BUILDINGS GONNA BE TALLER THAN THE OTHER ONES? OKAY.
THEY'RE NOT CONDOS OR TELEHEALTH, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
CHAIRMAN PARKING RAISED AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE
WE BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IN 2013, FOR THE BENEFIT OF MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT PART OF THE, AT THE TIME IN 2013, THE PETITIONER FILED FOR REZONING IN THE FORM OF COOPER.
THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT PORTION.
SO THE, THE SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED.
WE WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED AT THE TIME FOR 78 HOUSING ROOMS, OR LESS THAN THAT.
THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE 109 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN 144 APARTMENTS.
UH, PROPOSAL, WE TOLD THE BOARD WE COULDN'T CHANGE THAT NUMBER AND FOR SEWER CAPACITY REASONS COULD ALSO NOT CHANGE THAT NUMBER.
SO WE'RE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS IN NEW ATION, SEAN AND I.
WELL, YEAH, THE OTHER ASPECT I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON REAL QUICK.
SO IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING THAT ROB WAS MENTIONING, NUMBER ONE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME BACK IN 2012 AND 2013 DEALING WITH ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK SOME OF YOU RECALL, ULTIMATELY WE REACHED A CONSENSUS IN WHICH THERE WAS NO ONE OPPOSED THIS PROJECT, WHICH THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF RARE.
SECONDLY, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS ISSUED PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT.
SO SUBJECT TO COMMENTARY, I DON'T BELIEVE AN AN ADDITIONAL SECRET DETERMINATION WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, WHERE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS WERE LESS PARKING, WERE GREEN SPACE, MORE LANDSCAPING, BETTER AMENITIES, NICER BUILDINGS.
SO IF ANYONE DISAGREES WITH THAT, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
THE GOAL HERE, OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S PASSED AND THE HARDSHIP THAT WAS ENCOUNTERED, BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET AN OFFSITE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, WHICH IS A VERY ARDUOUS PROCESS, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS ALONG AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
SO THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE ANY, ARE THEY GONNA BE ANY TALLER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY? NO.
SO THERE'S LESS SORT OF FOOTAGE TO MAKE INTO THE GARAGES, IS THAT WHAT IT'S NO, BECAUSE BEFORE EACH UNIT DID NOT HAVE ITS OWN GARAGE AND THE GARAGES WERE LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH AND THEN THIS JUST HAD TOO MUCH.
IT TURNS OUT, REMEMBER, YOU DON'T REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
ULTIMATELY, AFTER TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, AND AGAIN, MORE THE LIFESTYLE CONCEPT, WE DON'T NEED ALL THAT PARKING THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE IN THIS? I I DON'T HAVE A, A EXACT COUNT.
WE WERE ABOUT THREE 30 I THINK BELOW OR BEFORE.
SO WE PRODUCED OVER HUNDRED PARKING.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE GONE IN AND GRABBED IT.
MEAN THE ORIGINAL LAW WAS TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
NOW ARE YOU AT TWO PARKING PER UNIT? WELL, PER UNIT COUNT THE SPOT IN THE GARAGE.
IF THEY ALL HAVE A GARAGE IN ONE SPOT GARAGE AND THERE'S A FEW SPOTS WHERE THERE'S, YEAH, IF NOT, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
WELL, EVERY UNIT HAS A GARAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND EVERY UNIT HAS A PARKING SPACE OUTSIDE THE RIGHT.
SO THAT'S ONE SPOT IN THE GARAGE AND ONE SPOT OUTSIDE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME PARKING HERE.
HOW MUCH, WHATEVER THE CODE HANDICAP, WE'LL SATISFY THAT PARKING.
WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH PLAN.
UM, THE STORM WATER DETENTION WAS DESIGNED TO BE TAKEN CARE IN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THERE BE NO STORM WATER DETENTION IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
IT'S ALL TRIBUTARY TO THE AND THERE WASN'T ANY STORMWATER APPROVED.
THERE WAS FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
COUPLE OF THERE CONDITIONS, DESIGNATION BY TOWN BOARD YOUR SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T P IT WASN'T P RESIDENTIAL? NO, THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WAS REZONED TO R THREE.
THE OTHER PORTION WAS REZONED TO R TWO WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT COULD BE THING YOU CAN CHECK INTO.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE, YOU USED TO HAVE ALL THOSE PARKING LOTS BECAUSE THE FIRE MARK ONE ACCESS AROUND THE BUILDING, THEY SHOULDN'T REQUIRE ACCESS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY SHOULD BE FINE.
THIS IS, THESE UNITS ESPECIALLY ARE NOT, AND THIS IS JUST A QUAD ANYWAY.
YEAH, THE LARGER ONES, THEY WANT ACCESS AROUND.
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WE HAVE LAID OUT THE ROOM, THE ROAD, ROAD ROAD FOR THAT.AND WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO PARK ON THAT LOOP ROAD OR IS THAT NOT WIDE ENOUGH? WE HAVE SOME TURN OFF PARKING.
THERE MIGHT BE THE ABILITY TO PARK ON ONE SIDE AND THEN WE WOULD PUT SIGNAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO, OR HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON CEDAR VALLEY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PREFER THIS THAN WHAT WAS BEFORE.
THE FEW NEIGHBORS THAT I TALKED TO.
AND ALSO WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOME BUILDER THAT HAS CONTRACTED ALL THE LOTS AND HE'S VERY MUCH GOOD.
IT'S LIKE IF I BOUGHT INTO A DEVELOPMENT KNOWING WHAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA BE THAT ALL A SUDDEN CHANGED A BETTER CHANGE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BETTER PLAN THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015.
I THINK WE COULD PUT IT ON A REGULAR MEETING AND DISCUSS C OR UH, ALSO, UM, CAN I SAY, UH, WE, AS PART OF THE RESOLUTION TO REFER TO THE TOM BOARD, WANTED TO START ALL THIS, RIGHT? THIS IS A TO BOARD DECISION.
OH, I'M SORRY, I'M ON NO, NO, YOU'RE ON THE WRONG PROJECT.
LIKE ME ASKING ABOUT THE NO, WE CAN'T PLACE IT ON TWO WEEKS UNTIL THEY GET THE FULL PLAN PLAN APPLICATION.
YOU GIVE THEM SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION THIS POINT.
SO THEY SUBMIT, RIGHT? YOU GUYS WANT MORE SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION, COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS? NO, WE DON'T.
UNLESS THERE'S ADDITIONAL INPUT.
WE'D RATHER WE WANNA ENGINEER THIS PLANE, RIGHT? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? ENGINEERING? IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
DO IMPROVEMENT ON WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THOUSAND 15.
IT'S ACTUALLY THERE'S, CAN I JUST ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION? HOW MANY BEDS ARE IN THE, IN THE UNITS? WHAT SIZE OF PERMITS ARE THESE? THERE ARE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BED.
SO I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IN A RENTAL, THREE BEDROOMS, YOU MAY HAVE THREE ROOMMATES LIVING TOGETHER THAT MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'D BE ADEQUATE PARKING NEAR THREE BEDROOM UNITS TO ACCOMMODATE THREE VEHICLES PER THREE BEDROOM UNIT.
IS THAT, I MEAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM.
AND WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH ANY ADJUSTMENTS WE HAVE TO MAKE.
SO JUST TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION.
OUT OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS, ONLY SIX, SO 40 OF THE UNITS ARE ENVISIONED TO BE A THREE BEDROOM.
THAT DOES INCLUDE THE TOWN THOUGH.
WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PARKING.
SO THE ONES, SO ALL THESE, ALL OF THESE UNITS ARE ONES AND TWOS, RIGHT? AND THEN THE, THE BIGGER THE OR ONES ARE.
AND IN THOSE, AND IN THOSE TOWN HOME UNITS, THERE ARE THREE BEDROOMS. WHAT OFTENTIMES OCCURS, NOT EVERYONE, BUT GO FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA USE ONE OF THOSE BEDROOM REFLECTION THAT THAT'S VERY TYPICAL.
BUT THAT'S THE EXACT AREA THAT HAS A MORE RESTRICTED PARKING THOUGH THERE'S NO OFF STREET PARKING IN THAT AREA.
RIGHT? THE IS UP AGAINST NEAR SIDEWALK, LIKE CURB PARKING AND THE PART ALONG CEDAR VALLEY, NOT THE CURB.
IF YOU ARE THE PARKING SPACE GONNA BE ASSIGNED? WELL THEY LOOK LIKE THEY, SO, SO IF YOU RENTED THE THREE BEDROOM, YOU'D KNOW YOU WERE ONLY RENTING PARKING SPACE SO SOMEBODY WOULD KNOW THAT GOING IN.
KEEP IN MIND WE COULD, I WOULDN'T WANNA ARGUE FOR MORE PARKING AND HAVE TAKE AWAY GREEN SPACE TO PUT IN WORK CONCRETE FOR PARKING SPACES.
IN TODAY'S WORLD, WE WANNA REDUCE PARKING.
RIGHT? AND I I ONLY WANNA KNOW PHYSICALLY, PHYSICALLY ON THE PLAN, WE, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE, WE COULD ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING VERY, VERY EASILY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD TRADE OFF.
THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE OF A, DON'T WANNA EITHER.
I'D STILL LIKE TO FROM DECISIONS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE AT WORK SESSION SO WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS.
YEAH, I MEAN I STILL, I RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE GET INTO A SITUATION AND I THINK THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA
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WALK AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA PARK FURTHER AWAY AND THEY COME UP WITH A WHATEVER ARRANGEMENT IT'S, BUT WHEN IT'S SNOWY AND IT'S WINTER, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS YOU, YOU RENT THE PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE TOO.SO IF YOU, IF YOU RENTED A THREE BEDROOM APARTMENT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TWO SPACES, NOT THREE BEFORE YOU SEND THE LEASE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT SOUNDS WELL AND GOOD AND PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT THEY'LL PARK AROUND THE CORNER OR WHEREVER.
AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS PEOPLE TO PARK POORLY WHEN THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE HAPPY TO WALK OR PARK ON THE STREET OR WHATEVER SUMMER THAT NICE OUT.
DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE TO PUT MORE PARKING? LIKE THE OLD PLAN? I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD EVALUATE WHERE THEY WANNA PLACE THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO POSITION THEM, IT MIGHT BE BETTER.
I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
SO THAT POINT WELL TAKEN, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IN SOME WAYS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT WHAT I DON'T IS PEOPLE START PARKING ON CEDAR OR VALLEY WAY OR SOMEWHERE AND THEN PEOPLE BEING ANNOYED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT PEOPLE PARKING, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT OR ANYTHING OVER THERE JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KNOCKING IT AROUND IS WHAT I HAD IN MIND IS, UH, SINGLE PARENTS, KIDS.
WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT SOME STANDARDS TOO.
I I I HATE TO PROVIDE THREE CARPET SPOTS FOR ALL THOSE.
I THINK, I THINK YOU WON'T USE THEM ALL, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A PERCENTAGE THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH THOSE UNITS WITH AN ADDITIONAL, SO THE, THE ROAD THAT'S NOT, THAT GOES AROUND IT, NOT CEDAR VALLEY, BUT THE, THE NEW ONE, THAT'S NOT A TOWN ROAD, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE PRIVATE WHICH IS GOOD FROM THE TOWN PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO MAINTAIN.
OKAY, SO WE CAN PUT THIS ON OUR NEXT MEETING.
WELL I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE READY FOR THAT.
WELL, WHEN THEY GET THE APPLICATION, WE'RE GONNA GO FROM THIS RIGHT INTO SITE LANDSCAPE AND, AND THE ONE CONCERN WE'VE HEARD IS BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE PARKING.
IT IS THE PLANNING BOARD DECISION IS THAT BALANCE, WHICH MEANS WE WANT LESS PARKING, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA CAUSE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THE, IN THE PRIVATE DRIVES OR WHATEVER, WHICH WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.
SO BALANCE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TOO MUCH PARKING.
YOU SAID YOU COULD DO SOME STUDIES OF SIMILAR UNITS.
SAY I HAS GREAT RESOURCES ON THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS ABOUT PARKING, WHATEVER.
WE DON'T WANNA OVER PARK IT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA UNDER, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE.
OKAY, LET DOUBLE CHECK THE UNITS ON CEDAR VALLEY.
HAVE THEY BEEN BUILT? SOLD? YEAH.
SHOULD SHE? NEW INVITE? I JUST TOLD HER TO SEND, I DUNNO WHETHER SHE HAS OR NOT.
AS AS DISCUSSED, THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF IT AND THEY LIKE THIS PLAN OUT.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DTO DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF 5 5 0 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND PORTION OF 5 4 8 6 AND 5 4 7 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, C ONE TO PU.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S ALREADY PUV AND THIS, SOME OF THIS WAS PART OF IT, BUT THE, THE YELLOW PORTIONS OF WHAT WAS HANDED OUT C ONE AND YOU WANNA SWITCH THOSE TO PUD AND CHANGE THE PAST THE PUD IN THIS AREA TO BE A DIFFERENT PLAN.
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THOSE TWO YOU CAN SEE STAND OUT.SO CHAIRMAN CLARK, THE, SO CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS FROM THE LAW FIRM, MCC HOPKINS, ROMAN, OR MCCARTHY AS WELL AS PETER SOGI OR
WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF DATA DEVELOPMENT.
DAVID BUR WITH THIS PROJECT, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING, THIS IS AN ADVISORY ROLE TO THE TOWN BOARD, IS A REQUEST TO REZONE ONE PARCEL, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 55 0 2.
THAT'S A PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, SOMEWHAT IRREGULAR SHAPE THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE AND THEN A PORTION OF TWO PARCELS LOCATED HERE.
ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AT 54, 72 AND 54 86 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THIS IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL BRIARWOOD VILLAGE ESTATE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS SUCH, UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE GENUINE TO COME IN AND JUST SHOW BOTH PARCELS NOT DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY PROJECT THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE PLAN.
THE SITE ITSELF IS A TOTAL OF 16 POINT ACRES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE THREE LITTLE AREAS IS CURRENTLY ZONED PUD.
WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING, AND AGAIN, CONCEPT PLAN ONLY IS 182 UNITS, A MIXTURE OF BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE TWO UNIT BUILDINGS WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
WE HAVE SEVERAL THREE STORY BUILDINGS, 26 UNITS.
WE HAVE A LARGE CLUBHOUSE WITH A POOL AND WE HAVE A COUPLE FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS AND THEN 10 UNIT BUILDINGS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE A MIXTURE OF BUILDINGS.
UH, WE THINK IT'S A NICE PROJECT.
WE HAVE FOUND THAT WITH RESPECT TO THAT THREE STORY BUILDING THAT'S PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE TO SENIORS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT HAS THE ELEVATOR AND HAS MORE RESIDENTS WITHIN EACH PARTICULAR BUILDING.
SO THIS WILL REQUIRE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAD REVIEW ACT.
SARAH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE COMMENCEMENT OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO AFTER THIS EVENING'S MEETING, WE'LL FILE PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
MR. BURKE IS ALSO TOWN BOARD AGENCY THEN OR SO THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE THE LEAD AGENCY UNLESS ANY OF THE INVOLVED AGENCIES OBJECT.
WE ALSO HAVE RETAINED THE SERVICES OF SRF ASSOCIATES FOR PARA TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
IT'S, I EXCEED ANY OF THE THRESHOLDS FOR TYPE ONE ACTION.
UNLIKE MANY OF THE PARCELS, THERE'S NO WETLANDS OR DARK NEUROLOGICAL RESOURCES.
THERE'S NO REAL SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION TO SPEAK OF.
SO IT'S GONNA BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF MANY OF THE CATEGORIES OF POTENTIAL IDENTIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
DRIVEWAY, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE THERE, RIGHT? THAT DRIVEWAY IS GONNA REMAIN IN THAT BE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE DONE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THIS IS STATE HIGHWAY, WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH DOT'S.
TYPICAL POLICY, WHICH IS CONTROL ACCESS TO STATE HIGHWAYS AND MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS.
SO CHRIS IS ALWAYS DONE IS TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT POLICY IN ADVANCE BY PROVIDING THAT DRIVEWAY WHERE IT IS.
WE WOULD, UH, ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS SUBJECT.
YOU HAVE TILL YOUR MEETING EITHER THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, THAT WAY WE HAVE TIME TO SUBMIT THE GA.
BUT WE DO WELCOME ANY INPUT YOU HAVE AND THEN WE'LL ADVANCE THIS OR
ULTIMATELY YOU'LL BE ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN APPROVE THE REZONING.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PRIOR TO COMING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AS CHAIRMAN CLARK AND DREW AND SARAH AWARE, THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE DURING IT MEETINGS IN JUNE AND LATE AUGUST.
AND THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE SAID AT LEAST THAT THE REZONING HAD MERIT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AS WARRANTED FURTHER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL.
WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME, BUT WE DO WELCOME ANY INPUT YOU MAY HAVE.
I I THINK WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WHEN WAS THAT? PRIOR WITH P ONE.
SO FIVE YEARS AGO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE, THE APPROPRIATE UH, INPUT, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT OVERALL PROJECT LOOKED LIKE.
AND YEAH, ALWAYS KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT AND I'LL WORK WITH JENNIFER AND THE ATTORNEY DOES GO THE TOWN BOARD IS THAT EITHER WE ARE AMENDING THE ORIGINAL BRIARWOOD OR ARE WE JUST ADDING THESE PARCELS AS PART OF IT? WELL I THINK YOU SHOULD
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LEAST THE PLAN IS THE ZONE, RIGHT? SO IF THIS PLAN IS DIFFERENT THAN APPROVED 30 YEARS AGO, WHICH I, IT IS AND IT IS AMENDING THE PUD, IT WAS ON SOME OF THE OLD PLANS.SO IT DOES SUPPORT, THAT'S WHY WE ENTERTAINED IT, RIGHT? SO FIRST OF ALL, THIS AREA IS THE P UUD AREA IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PLANS OVER THE YEARS THAT THEY DEVELOPED THIS AREA WAS CALLED SENIOR APARTMENTS, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND WHATEVER.
SO IT IS SOMEWHAT, THIS LAYOUT MAY NOT, SOME OF IT JUST WAS LABELED, THERE WAS NO LAYOUT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL WORK WITH JENNIFER AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON IS HOW YOU WANNA DO IT.
DO YOU JUST WANT AMEND THIS PORTION OF THE PUD OR YOU JUST WANT ADD THESE TWO PARCELS IN? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT? BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE APPROVING THE PLAN AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE PROVING THE SITE PLAN FOR MAKE THOSE DECISIONS OR EVEN DISCUSS WHETHER WHICH WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
WE GOTTA WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND WHAT THE WHOLE PLAN WAS WHEN WE DID IT.
I, I'LL BRING, I THINK MR. BUR HAS SOME TOO, BUT I'LL BRING SOME OF THE DRAWINGS I HAVE FROM THE ORIGINAL P THEN THERE WAS AMENDMENTS TO THE D THERE WAS ARGUMENTS BACK THEN 25 YEARS AGO IS THAT EVERY TIME YOU AMEND THE PUD YOU HAVE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
I AGREE WITH THE DECISION WAS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT EVERY TIME.
THE FACT IS DOES IT HAVE AN IMPACT OR NOT? IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER A SECRET.
SO WE'LL GET YOU YOU THE PROCEDURAL PART, WHAT SEAN IS ASKING FOR IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE REZONING, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS LAYOUT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT LAYOUT IS GONNA BE THAT SECTION OF THE PII WOULDN'T PUT THIS ON UNTIL THE SECOND NOVEMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 30 DAYS RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE COULD PUT IN SECOND AND WE ON OUR BOARD HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY TO LEARN, WE COULD THEM TOO.
SO, OKAY, SO CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YEAH.
SO I THINK THE NOTES FROM DREW INDICATED THAT TWO OF THE PARCELS WERE JUST REZONING A PORTION OF THEM.
ARE ENTIRE PARCELS BEING USED FOR THIS PROJECT OR ARE YOU GONNA SUBDIVIDE THOSE PARCELS? YES.
THE PARTS THAT AREN'T GONNA BE REZONED ARE ALREADY E OKAY.
SO THEY ONLY PARTIALLY CHANGED THE ZONING THE LAST ROUND, RIGHT? SO IN, BUT IN, BUT IN THE END LITERALLY SEVEN PARCELS AND THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING ACTUALLY HAVE SPLIT ZONING AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A PORTION THERE.
BUT IN THE END IT WILL ALL BE CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE PARCEL.
SO THIS WILL TAKE A SPLIT ZONING ON A SINGLE PARCEL AND RECTIFY THAT THERE'S A SINGLE ZONING.
IT WILL, IT WOULD, AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT WE DO AGREE WITH WHAT CHAIRMAN CLARK SAID THAT ULTIMATELY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, THE ZONING IS THE PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THAT AREA.
NOT ONLY YOU SEE THIS, I MEAN IT'S NOT GONNA BE GREAT.
I HAVE THE ZONING MAP PULLED UP ON MY OTHER MODEL.
SO DARK BLUE, IF IF THEY HAVE WHAT THEY WANT, THESE TWO PINK AREAS WOULD ALSO BE DARK BLUE.
SO THE WHOLE WHOLE AREA WOULD BE DARK BLUE AND THOSE PINK AREAS WOULD BE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW MR. BUR, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THESE TWO PIECES WERE UP LIKE THAT.
MR. BURKE PROVIDED BOTH DREW AND I WITH SOME PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENTATION.
I KNOW DREW LOOKED AT IT, I LOOKED AT IT, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT DOCUMENTATION EXPLAINED WHY THESE PARCELS WERE LEFT OUT.
THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED AFTER.
DID THE BURS ALMOST THAT LAND THAT WAY BACK WHEN THE OVERALL PARCEL? YES.
NO, THE, THE TWO, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SURE OF.
I DUNNO IF THOSE REQUIRED AFTER.
SO LET'S, LET'S PUT DAY OF DEVELOPMENT LLC ON FOR NOVEMBER 18, WHICH GIVES US ALL FIVE WEEKS TO HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION COME BACK AS FAR AS THE COORDINATED REVIEW AND GIVES US A CHANCE TO START THE PROCESS OF DIVING INTO I'LL, I'LL SCAN A BUNCH OF THE OLD PLANS THAT WERE GIVEN DIFFERENT ONES, I'LL SCAN THEM AND WHAT YEAR THEY WERE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO AT THAT NEXT MEETING TO THE EXTENT SHARE THOSE WITH ME TOO, ACTUALLY FULL.
SO LAST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF A VACANT LAND LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF MILES ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINNEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
SO THIS IS NOT TOO FAR FROM THE UH, THE RESTAURANT THAT WE APPROVED AS UH, PLACED FOR TRAILER SALES.
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OLD WALMART AREA ALSO RIGHT NEAR THE ROAD UP, RIGHT THE PROPERTY LINE.SO THE AREA THAT WOULD BE REZONED ON THE MAPS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ARE THE APARTMENTS, THE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT.
THEY'RE SHOWING US THIS BECAUSE THEY PLAN ON DOING BOTH AND THEY WANT US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA GO ON IN THE ADJACENT PARCEL WHILE WE CONSIDER THE REZONE.
SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, JOHN WHO'S ALSO HERE AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM ARMINA WOOD AND MORRIS, THE TWO PARCELS IN QUESTION ARE LOCATED AT ZERO BIG TREE AND ZERO WILSON DRIVE.
THEY CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRES IN SIZE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS SITE IS 18 LOTS PER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THAT WOULD BE VIA PUBLIC ROADWAY CONNECTION OFF OF WILSON.
MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THOSE UNITS IS THEY WOULD BE FOR LEASE AND THEY WOULD BE SINGLE STORY WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
UM, MR. WETZELS DONE A LOT OF HOMEWORK IN TERMS OF WHAT HE BELIEVES IN DEMOGRAPHIC NEED IS FOR THIS PORTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS CONCLUSION IS ONE UNIT TYPE THAT REALLY IS MISSING IS SINGLE STORY.
SINGLE STORY UNITS ARE TYPICALLY ATTRACTIVE TO SENIORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG OR NEARBY COMMUNITIES WANT TO STAY THERE BUT WANT TO SELL THEIR LARGER HOMES AND ELIMINATE MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS OR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
AND SECONDLY, GENERALLY YOUNGER PROFESSIONALS OR SINGLE INDIVIDUALS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST YEAR, THE LARGEST HOUSEHOLD TYPE IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOW ONE PERSON.
THERE REALLY IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FALL INTO THAT TARGET MARKET.
SO GLEN RECOGNIZE THAT NEED AND HE'S PROPOSING SINGLE STORY ONLY.
IN ADDITION ON THIS SITE WE HAD EARTH DIMENSIONS PREPARE WETLAND DONATION THAT WAS DONE ON JUNE 11TH OF THIS YEAR AND SUBMITTED TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
THERE IS A RELATIVELY LARGE FEDERAL WETLAND ON THE SITE.
THE SIZE OF THAT IS 7.52 ACRES OF CHRIS WORKING WITH SCOTT LIVINGSTON, AVERT DIMENSIONS.
AND MR. RU IS PROPOSING ALLOWED, THAT WOULD ONLY RESULT IN AN IMPACT OF 0.30 ACRES.
SO THE REST OF THAT WOULD BECOME DESIGNATED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE REZONING, RIGHT? BUT I WANNA FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, YES, YES.
AND THE REASON WHY, THERE'S TWO REASONS WHY WE'RE SHOWING YOU WHAT NUMBER ONE'S REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BACK TWO, RECOGNIZING THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE, ARE THOSE ALONG WILSON? AND WHEN THEY SEE THE MULTI-FAMILY QUESTION, ONE IS GONNA BE WHAT'S GOING TO OCCUR FOR HERE.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCLOSE THAT IT IS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD WOULD ADOPT ITS RESOLUTION ON MONDAY.
ALSO AUTHORIZE THE COMMENCEMENT OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
I WOULD POINT OUT AGAIN THAT IT'S A DOWN ZONING, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE AND THE REQUEST IS TO DOWN ZONE THAT TO R THREE.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THAT PROPERTY, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SALE AT LEAST MORE THAN A DECADE, IF NOT CONSIDERABLY MORE, MORE GIVEN WHERE IT IS AND GIVEN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS OR PARCELS IN THAT AREA, I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR PIECE OF THAT WOULD EVER BECOME COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
SO WE THINK IT'S A WIN IN TERMS OF BOTH THE DOWN ZONING AND A PROJECT THAT WOULD RESULT IN A PRODUCTIVE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE WOULD SUBMIT PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
AS I INDICATED, THE WETLAND DONATION REPORT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND THEN AFTER THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD, UNLESS ANYONE WANTED TO SEE IT BEFORE WE WOULD COME BACK AND PRESENT THIS PROJECT, ULTIMATELY YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REQUEST OF REZONING THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND ITS LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY AND ULTIMATELY ISSUE THIS.
SO THE, SO THE TOWN BOARD ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE REVIEW, SO WE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA PUT IT ON OUR REGULAR MEETING.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT R THREE IS LESS DENSE THAN C ONE, I THINK WOULD QUESTIONABLE, BUT THAT'S, UH, IT IS C3 C3.
NO, NO, THAT'S PARKER ROAD, C1.
THAT'S THE FRONT OF PARKER ROAD.
WHAT'S THAT? OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO BEFORE WE, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD ARE GONNA GO KNOW BEFORE WE START THE PROCESS OF CONSIDERING THAT REZONING?
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SO THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, AND I DUNNO IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR LATER OR IF IT WOULD AFFECT THE REQUEST FOR REZONING, IS THAT SOME OF THESE LOTS HAVE WETLAND, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE SPACE LEFT ON THE LOT.
IF ANYONE WERE GOING TO WANNA PUT IN A SHED A POOL, UH, ANY OTHER SORT OF STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'LL BE SITE OF THAT OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT, NOT THE REZONING.
THAT'S WHY I KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP FOR THE INFORMATION PURPOSES BECAUSE YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE WETLANDS ON THOSE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND I DON'T WANT TO DOMINATE OUR DISCUSSIONS OF A REZONING WITH HOW TO CONFIGURE LOTS ON AN AREA THAT'S NOT GONNA BE REZONED.
SO, SO YEAH, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT IS AN ISSUE, BUT THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE GET TO, UH, SUBDIVISION.
WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT IMPORTANT THE GOAL IS TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE TO, TO AREAS ON THEIR RE ZONES? DO THEY WANT TO CONSIDER THEN REZONING, MAYBE REZONING SOME OF THIS AS OPEN SPACE OR CONSERVATION AREA OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN R ONE, GIVEN THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS LATER ON? WELL, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO, AGAIN, THAT'S A TOPIC THAT DISCUSSED IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO GRANT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND OR DERESTRICT THIS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND KNOWING ULTIMATELY WHAT WILL OCCUR WITH RESPECT TO A PERMIT APPLICATION BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, I FULLY EXPECT THAT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DERESTRICT ROOF PORTIONS OF THOSE LOTS.
AGAIN, THE IMPACT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING IS ONLY 0.30.
YEAH, I GUESS I'M MORE, THEY'RE GONNA SUBDIVIDE THIS INTO A LOT OF LOTS AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONCE YOU HAVE THESE SMALLER LOTS THAT THEY STILL MAKE SENSE.
ZONED R ONE, I GUESS IS MY ONLY, WE DID, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'RE ALSO GONNA TALK ABOUT ARE THEY GONNA MARK WETLAND SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY CAN PUT THEIR SHEDS AND POOLS AND WHERE THEY CAN'T.
AND THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'LL WANNA HAVE WHEN WE DO THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, BUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS THE REASON.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT BILL, WE'LL HAVE TO, SO WE DO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE WETLAND.
WE DON'T HAVE TO RESOLVE ALL THAT.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT AND SAY WE'RE GONNA APPROVE SEEKER ON NOT ONLY REZONING, BUT ALSO ON THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT OF X AMOUNT.
SO THIS, SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THE SEEKER THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS STARTED IS FOR THE PROJECT PROJECT.
SO IT'S GONNA, IT'S A REZONING WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE AGENCY BECAUSE THERE'S A REZONING INVOLVED.
BUT WE NEED TO COMMENT, AND KATE'S QUESTIONS ARE GOOD FOR THE SECRET DECISION ON THE SUBDIVISION.
OBVIOUSLY IF IT GETS APPROVED, THEY'LL BE COMING BACK TO US FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
BUT BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT, WHAT THEY'RE ARGUING IS, IS THAT YOU'RE IMPACTING VERY LITTLE OF THE WETLANDS.
BUT WHAT CALIN IS SAYING IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS WE JUST RAN INTO THIS ISSUE, IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA PROTECT SOME OF THOSE WETLAND AREAS, THEY'RE GONNA SERVE SOME OF 'EM CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND SAYING, I CAN'T PUT SHEDS IN MY BACKYARD, THEY'RE GONNA HOLD CONSERVATION.
RIGHT? WHAT? SO TOWN BOARDS DOING SEEKERS.
SO IF JUST LET'S SAY IF HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, THE RE IF, IF THE REZONING WENT THROUGH WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US FOR SITE PLAN OR SUB SUBDIVISION FOR THE FRONT SUBDIVISION, THEN SEEKERS ALREADY DECIDED WE DON'T HAVE SEEKER ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'D GO THROUGH THE SEEKER BEFORE WE SEND IT TO TOM BOARD.
AND, AND WHAT SEAN SAID IS UNDERSTAND THE SEEKER LAW SAYS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE HE OWN BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE WHOLE ACTION.
THEY'VE BEEN GOOD TO SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE.
WE HAVE A SPECIFIC THING THAT WE CAN COMMENT ON.
SO IT'S THE SUBDIVISION AND THE REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR SEEKER.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO MAKING JUST A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON THE REZONING.
THE REZONING IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, IS THIS, WE HAVE TO CALL THE LOGIC AND REASONING OF WHY WE'RE REZONING APART FROM C1 TO OUR GRADE.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO, TO ASK FOR APPROVAL, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AT THE SAME TIME ONCE THIS IS ALL DONE? OR, UH, WELL, WELL TYPICALLY, AS YOU KNOW, THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PROCESS HAS SOME MORE STEPS.
SO I WOULD ENVISION THE SITE PLAN WOULD PROBABLY GET OUT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, BUT I THINK CHRIS WOULD PLAN ON ENGINEERING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I GUESS JUST EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND HOW I, HOW I COME FROM 35 FOOT SETBACK LINE.
I ALSO ANOTHER 60 FEET, THAT'S KIND THE LIMITS OF THE 60 FOOT DEPTH IN THEIR WORK WITHOUT, BEFORE INTO
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THE WETLAND.MOST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE WELL SHORT OF 60 FEET.
SO THAT WOULD BE A 3,600 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, I MEAN I THINK MY BROADER CONCERN HERE IS IF NOT THE WETLAND IMPACTS FROM WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE WILL THEN EVENTUALLY BE SOME SORT OF INCREMENTAL ENCROACHMENT AS PEOPLE WANNA PUT IN A GAZEBO OR SOMETHING ELSE IN THEIR BACKYARD BECAUSE ALL THE STRUCTURE THAT THEY LIVE IN, YOU DEFINITELY GENEROUSLY SIZE THAT.
SOME OF THESE OTHER LOTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING INTO OR IF THEY'RE SOLD AGAIN LATER ON DOWN THE LINE, THAT MAY NOT BE WELL COMMUNICATED.
SO THERE'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT WE SHOULD DO TO, TO ALLEVIATE THAT WOULD BE COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW THAT'S COMMUNICATED AND HOW IT'S FORCED AND HOW IT'S MARKED.
UM, IF WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN DO THAT AS PART HELPFUL AND WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF THE REVIEW, THAT'S HAVE, WE HAVE TO, I MEAN I RIGHT THAT YOU, THAT THAT ADDRESSES WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? KAILYN? YEAH, I MEAN MY CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT ROGER'S GONNA GET INUNDATED WITH QUESTIONS FROM, FROM FOLKS WANTING TO PUT ACCESSORIES INTO THE BACKYARD.
AND, AND AS WE GO FORWARD HE'S PROBABLY GONNA WEIGH IN ON THAT JUST LIKE HE DID ON THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT SAYING I THINK THESE ARE TOO SMALL FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
SO WE'LL GET HIS OPINION ON THAT.
UM, PROBABLY FIRST TIME IT'S ON THE REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT AS, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO DO SECRET ON THIS.
SO YEAH, I MEAN I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW SOME OF THAT WILL BE MANAGED LONG TERM ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST THE WORK SECTION ENDS SESSION.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE FOUR OR FIVE MORE MEETINGS BEFORE GO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO GET EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD.
I WANNA KNOW YOUR POINT IS ON THE RECORD YOU WANT BE ON TWO WEEKS? NO, NO.
OKAY, SO SECOND WEEK NOVEMBER IS THERE, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO COME BACK THE FIRST WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER AT LEAST REPORT BACK ON THOSE PACKET WE'RE DISCUSSING? IT'S UP.
YOU CAN WE DO FIRST WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER? YES.
AND THEN IF WE'RE NOT READY, WE'LL LET NOTES IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL SUBMIT PART ONE, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
THIS POINT, WHEN WE DO PART TWO, WE'LL BE SIGN YOU HAVE, UH, ATTORNEY FOR BROADWAY GROUP'S PHONE NUMBER.
I'VE BEEN TEXTING HER TO THE WHOLE MEETING.
WE'VE RESENT HER THE LINK AND IT SAYS THE MEETING HAS, WHAT'S IT SAY? MEETING HASNT STARTED.
I'LL FIX IT THE SAME WAY I FIXED IT BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM.
WELL, AND WHILE WE DO THAT, UH, SO THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION.
SO WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 7TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE P UNITED STATES INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WASHINGTON STATE HOLDING COMPANY LLC REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A, A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CEDAR VALLEY PARK.
NO, SORRY, THAT'S THE APPROVAL STORE LOCATED.
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OKAY.THIS THERE IT GOES LIKE A THUMB CALIN.
SO IS SHE GONNA GET AN EMAIL? SHE CHECK HER EMAIL? IS THAT WHAT YEAH, SEND HER EMAIL.
SO, SO THE ATTORNEY FOR BROADWAY GROUP IS IN ALABAMA AND ALABAMA IS ON THE RESTRICTED TRAVEL LIST.
SO SHE CAN'T COME HERE WITHOUT QUARANTINING FOR TWO WEEKS.
UM, SHE HAD TROUBLE LOGGING ON TO THIS AND WE SEND HER ANOTHER INVITE, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET STARTED THAT IN A SECOND.
NOW, UM, ANYBODY HERE THAT WAS HOPING TO SPEAK ON THAT PROJECT? OKAY, SO, UM, I GUESS TO KIND OF GET STARTED, WE HAVE ANY BLOWUPS OF THE CHANGES TO THE DRIVEWAY? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE, BUT SHE SENT WELL, RIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
DID IT COME FROM HER OR YOU YOU FORWARDED IT TO I I FORWARDED IT OCTOBER THERE.
OKAY, SO IS IT MATHIAS, WHERE, UH, YOUR ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA NOW? SO THERE WE GO.
I SHOULD THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
I WAS HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
UM, SARAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UM, WALKING ME THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
SO I CAN YOU ALL TONIGHT, UM, I'M PLEASED TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN AND CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ON, UM, THE BROADWAY GROUPS PROJECT LOCATED AT, AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD AND HEALTHS ROAD.
UM, I SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD A LETTER AND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LAST WEEK, WHICH I HOPE YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
UM, TRYING TO ANSWER SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WE CAME UP, UM, CAME INTO AT LAST MONTH'S, UM, REVIEW.
SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE, UH, FOR, JUST TO HELP RECAP, WERE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UM, THE SETBACK AT THE SOUTHWESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAD, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS SENDING A SPECIFIC REQUEST AND OF COURSE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, ALSO ASKING US IF WE COULD INCREASE THAT SETBACK ANY AT ALL.
AND FORTUNATELY WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, ACCOMMODATE THAT CHANGE BY SHIFTING OUR PARKING LOT, UM, FURTHER.
AND SO, AND THEN WE HAD TO KIND OF SHIFT SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE PARKING PLACES OVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
BUT THEN, UM, IN THE END WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UM, A BASICALLY A 20 FOOT SETBACK AT THE CLOSEST POINT.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE, UM, NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BEING A LITTLE OVER, I THINK A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, UM, FROM OUR BUILDING.
AND SO, UM, WE WERE VERY HOPEFUL THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE, UM, PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE ON THAT POINT.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT THE LAST MEETING.
AND, UM, ONE OF MY GOALS TONIGHT IF THE PLANNING BOARD IS, IS ABLE IS TO TRY TO GET SOME MORE GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE DEFINITELY ARE OPEN TO A COLLABORATION ON THAT, UM, AND DETERMINING WHAT FEATURES ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING BOARD SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO A DESIGN AND PRESENT AN UPDATED RENDERING, UH, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.
THE THIRD ITEM WAS ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
UM, SPECIFICALLY WE WERE, UM, TALKING ABOUT A CONCERN OF MAYBE HAVING, UM, THE DRIVEWAY ON HEALTH ROAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING WAS SHARED WITH US THAT THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SAFETY TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD, UM, STATING THAT THIS LOCATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING IS SAFER OF THE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, BUT THE TOWN HAD ALSO REACHED OUT TO T ASKING FOR A RECONSIDERATION OF A DRIVEWAY ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD INSTEAD.
I ALSO REACHED OUT TO SDOT AGAIN AFTER OUR MEETING LAST MONTH AND, UM, SPOKE WITH ED RUSKI, HE WORKS KIND OF IN THE PLANNING, PLANNING AND COORDINATION
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DEPARTMENT AND, UM, HE BASICALLY REITERATED THE GUIDANCE FROMUM, AND I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS HOPING TO PERHAPS GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK FROM THE SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND I DEFINITELY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING, HEARING THAT TONIGHT IF, IF THERE WAS ADDITIONAL INPUT OR IF ANY MEMBERS OF THAT TRAFFIC ADVISORY BOARD WERE ABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT.
SHE IS A MEMBER OF THE OH, GREAT.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE, UM, OTHER PART OF THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC WAS IF WE WERE ABLE TO SHIP THE DRIVEWAY, UM, TO THE NORTH AT ALL, IF WE ARE KIND OF THREADING THE NEEDLE ON THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT, UM, OUR SLIDE DOES HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS.
IT IS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY HAS ITS OWN LITTLE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU TRY TO WORK WITH AND WORK AROUND WITH THE, UM, SOME OF THE NATURAL ASPECTS OF THE LAND IN THIS CASE.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A STORM POND, UM, FOR OUR SUPER WATER AND WHERE IF WE PLACE THAT ON KIND OF THE, THE NATURALLY THE LOWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY ALREADY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR OUR UTILITIES, LIKE OUR SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND SO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS KIND OF UP IN THAT, UM, SKINNY PART OF THE, THE PROPERTY UP TOWARDS THE NORTH, KIND OF IN THAT WHERE YOU HAVE THE INTERSECTION WITH SOUTHWESTERN AND HILLS.
AND SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT RESTRICTED OF WHERE WE CAN MOVE THE, THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING TOO, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT WORK, UM, AROUND THOSE TWO RESTRICTIONS.
UM, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, SHIFT THE BUILDING NORTH A LITTLE BIT AS A SIDE EFFECT OF THAT.
THE DRIVEWAY SHIFTED SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH AS WELL.
AND UM, SO, UH, I KNOW THAT ONE THING WE WERE HOPING TO ACHIEVE MAY NOT BE THE MAXIMUM, UM, OF WHAT PLANNING BOARD WAS HOPING FOR, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE AND ALSO TRYING TO, UM, WORK WITH THEM.
WE EXPECT TO BE, UM, THE ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT'S INPUT AND WANTING TO HAVE AS MUCH DISTANCE AS, AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE INTERSECTION AND THE CURB CUT AS WELL.
AND THAT JUST HELPS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES AS THEY'RE TURNING IN OR TURNING OUT, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO SEE AND TO MANEUVER TO SLOW DOWN.
UM, WHEREAS IF WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A DRIVEWAY MUCH CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION, IT MIGHT CAUSE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A TRAFFIC JAM OR, UM, SOME TROUBLE WITH PEOPLE ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE.
SO I HOPE THAT THE, UM, THAT THAT RECAP IS HELPFUL TO EVERYONE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE HAD, UM, LIKE ALL OF US, A LOT THAT GOES ON IN THE LAST MONTH AND A LOT OF OTHER NEW PROJECTS THAT COME YOUR WAY, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT OFF LAST MONTH AND THOSE WERE THE TOPICS THAT I, UM, PICKED UP AND TRIED TO WORK ON IN THE LAST MONTH.
UM, TIM, I, I'LL JUST, I'LL START OFF AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THEM IN ORDER AS YOU BROUGHT THEM UP.
UM, I, I DO LIKE THE ADDITIONAL FEET BETWEEN THE BOUNDARY OF THE LOT AND THE RESIDENTS.
THOSE, THOSE EXTRA FEW FEET WILL AND OPEN UP A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR LANDSCAPING OVER THERE, WHICH I'M SURE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FACADES GO, SO LAKEVIEW HAS A VERY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HAD A FEW YEARS AGO, ITS IMPORTANCE WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE BUILDING FIT IN WITH THAT.
AND ONE OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS WE GOT WAS A SLANTED ROOF, WHICH LOOKS MORE LIKE A ROOF ON A HOUSE.
AND UH, THE ONE REFERENCE THAT IS YOU, YOU MENTION IT, IT WAS A RETROFIT STORE, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THAT WITH THE PEAKS THAT ARE THE WAY THEY WERE DESIGNED IN THE FRONT TO LOOK MORE LIKE A HOUSE.
THE REST OF THE DESIGNS HAVE THOSE VERY, VERY COMMERCIAL STYLE FLAT ROOF.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY THERE IN LAKEVIEW.
IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH IT'S IMPORTANCE.
UM, AND THE FINAL PART OF THE DRIVER, UM, AGAIN, TO CONTRAST IT FROM THE TIM HORTON'S, TIM HORTON'S, WE, WE HAD THEM DESIGN THE LAYOUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH,
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SO THE HEADLIGHTS OF THE CARS WOULD FACE SOUTHWESTERN, NOT THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS.AND THEY ALSO PUT IN A SOLID FENCE JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WAS GONNA FAKE GO THE WRONG WAY IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT WOULD BLOCK THE LIGHTS INTO THE BACKYARD TO THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS.
THIS PICTURE WE HAVE OF THE PERSON ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAY, UM, IT LOOKS GOOD IN SEPTEMBER, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTA REALLY CONSIDER WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN DECEMBER FOR A FEW REASONS.
ONE, IT GETS DARKER EARLIER IN DECEMBER, SO THERE'S GONNA BE MORE, A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PULLING OUT DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
TWO, ALL THOSE TREES, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE EVERGREEN TREES, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LEAVES ON 'EM IN DECEMBER TO HELP BLOCK THE HOUSE.
AND THREE, I'M GONNA ASSUME A RETAIL STORE IS GONNA BE BUSIER IN DECEMBER.
SO, SO WHEN I CONSIDER WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE LIVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, I I REALLY WANNA THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN DECEMBER BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN IT'S GONNA HAVE THE MAXIMUM IMPACT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHEN IT'S GOT THE, THE, THE COMBINATION OF WHAT'S THAT RIGHT.
CAN I I WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I, I SEE THE, I, I WENT AND I DROVE FAST AND, AND TWICE AND MADE SURE TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK.
I, I FEEL LIKE THE ANGLE OF HEADLIGHTS IS BELOW MOST THE FOLIAGE ON THE TREES THERE AS WELL.
SO WHILE MAYBE THAT'S LIKE THE MOUNTAIN POINT FOR A, A PERSON STANDING OR A CAMERA, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE CONCERNED ABOUT HEADLIGHTS GOING UNDERNEATH THE TREE CANOPY ON THOSE TREES, PARTICULARLY AS THEY AGE AND THEY MOVE FURTHER UP.
SO YOU, YOU THINK IT'D BE A PROBLEM EVEN, EVEN IN THE SUMMERTIME? CORRECT.
I THINK EVEN DRIVING BACK AFTER, I AGREE WITH YOU.
SARAH, WHAT TIME, WHAT TIME IS DOLLAR GENERAL CLOSED THE STORES GENERALLY CLOSE AT 10 O'CLOCK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S DARK HERE AROUND.
I MEAN THOSE, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE KIND OF QUICK COMMENTS THAT I HAD ABOUT THOSE, THOSE CHANGES.
SO WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD.
UM, WE, WE ASKED THAT, THAT IT WOULD COME BECAUSE IT WAS OUR OPINION, NOT THAT WE'RE EXPERTS ON IT, THAT WE THOUGHT SOUTHWESTERN WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION.
AND UH, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD, UH, BOARD HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AND, AND WHY, UH, BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SAFER ON, THANK YOU.
REMEMBER HORTON, SOUTH SOUTHWESTERN? HEY, COULD YOU COME, COME? SURE.
UM, THE STATE, STATE ALLOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER OVER THAT.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE EXPLORING IS, UM, ACTUALLY WHEATFIELD HAS THE SAME, A SIMILAR TYPE THING AND THEY, THEY WERE GOING STATES ON THEIR STATE HIGHWAYS.
SO THERE'S A PROCESS TO KIND OF TRY AND CONVINCE THEM IF WE REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER.
UM, BUT WE TRIED TO GET WITH MORGAN, RIGHT? SO
THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HERE IS THAT THE STATE HIGHWAY HAS TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T ALLOW ACCESS TO THE EIGHT HIGHWAY, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
TO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT HIGHWAY.
SO STATE OF THE POLICY AND UNDERSTAND IT'S POLICY.
IF WE THINK IT'S A BETTER SITUATION, WE CAN PUSH THEM ON IT, BUT CAN WE MAKE IT A BETTER SITUATION? RIGHT.
AND AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL PUSH THEM ON IT UNLESS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR BOARD SAID.
NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES OF WHETHER OR NOT ACTUALLY WOULD GET PURPLE.
THE, THE WAY WE READ YOUR LETTERS, YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SAFER TO HOUSE, NOT THAT YOU CAN'T GET A CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, WELL, I MEAN YOU, YOU, YOU, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT.
BUT IF YOU BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SAFER TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY, THEN WE WOULD TRY AND PUSH THE STATE.
I MEAN YOU GIVE A SHOT, SEE WHAT HERE.
DO YOU THINK IT'D BE SAFER ON SOUTHWESTERN THEN? NO.
SO, SO THAT'S THE SPEED SECTION, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR LETTER SAID YOU BE SAFER HOUSE.
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SO YEAH, THEY RIGHT.SO, SO CAN YOU KIND OF HELP US OUT WITH WHY IT WOULD BE SAFER FOR IT TO BE ON AND STUFF, BUT WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO SLOW DOWN, MAKE THE TURN, COME IN THE BACK RATHER THAN TRYING TO MAKE TURNS AT THE HIGH SPEED ROAD ON THERE'S GONNA BE NO, UH, THERE'LL BE A CENTER TURNING LANE WHERE THE LEFT HAND WILL COME FROM SOUTH.
UH, AND WE COULD GET THE STATE THROUGH WIDE.
THEY SHOULDER FOR THE, EXCUSE ME, TURNING LANE WHERE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
YEAH, THERE'S TURNING LANE ON SOUTHWEST.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONES COMING FROM THE NORTH? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN THEY COULD SHOULDER AED TURNING.
THAT'S A TIGHT CORNER RIGHT THERE.
IT'S A VERY BUSY CORNER IN THE MORNING.
WELL BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS TO CLASH WITH TIM ACROSS THE STREET.
WELL AND ASKING FOR, HOLD ON, ASKING FOR A CURB CUT IS ONE THING.
ASKING TO WIDEN THE ROAD TO PUT IN A TURNING LANE DIFFERENT, IT'S UNLIKELY.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO GET, LET US DO A CURB CUT.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
HAVING THEM FORK OVER THE MONEY TO WIDEN THE ROAD THAT THAT'S EVEN FARTHER WIDEN THE ROPE.
SO YOU JUST WIDEN THE SHOULDER, CHANGE RIGHT SHOULDER A LITTLE WIDER.
DO YOU THINK THAT'D BE MORE LIKELY THAN A RIGHT FROM EXPERIENCE? RIGHT.
BY THE WAY, I KIND OF THOUGHT COMING IN THE BACK WAY PROBLEM, BY THE WAY I GAVE THE NEGATIVE PART OF THIS.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT.IS TRYING TO DOT WANTS TO LIMIT ACCESS ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
EVERY TIME TIME YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CHANCES FOR CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS AND FOR ACCIDENT.
SO THEIR POLICY IS THE LIMIT IN THE CASE HERE, THEY'RE SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ADJOINING ROAD, WE WANNA LIMIT ACCESS TO THIS HIGH SPEED STATE HIGHWAY.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF SAFETY YOU BROUGHT, WE FEEL, WE FEEL THEY'RE ARGUING IT BECAUSE THERE'S AN OVERPASS RIGHT ON NIRA FALLS BOULEVARD THERE WHERE IT'S GONNA BE AND LIMITED ACCESS TO THAT LIMITED SIGHT DISTANCE INTO THAT THING.
SO WE'RE ARGUING THAT THE ENTRANCE WILL ACTUALLY BE SAFER.
IF WE CAN SAVE RIGHT, THE ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE SAFER HERE, SAFER THAN COMING OUT HERE, THEN WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING THAT ARGUMENT TO THE STATE.
IF CAN'T SAY SAFER, THEN HEALTH COMES IN KIND OF AN ODD ANGLE AS SOMEONE LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT IT COMES TO AN ODD ANGLE.
IS IT, IS IT A MORE PROBLEMATIC, WOULD I RATHER HAVE A 90 DEGREE ENTRANCE ONTO SOUTHWESTERN? THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN'T LOOK AT, BUT SOMEONE THE DTS GONNA SAY THAT WOULD HELP TOO IF THEY SQUARED OFF THE TURN HELP THE LINE OF SIGHT IS WEIRD.
THE LINE OF SIGHT HELPS EXIT ONTO A PARKING LOT.
HEALTH HEALTH ISN'T 90 DEGREES, I DUNNO IF THEY SWITCH IT LIKE THE WAY THEY DID.
UM, BUT 90 DEGREES GOING ON SOUTHWESTERN VERSUS WHATEVER, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE SAFETY CELEBRATIONS? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM PULL.
YOU ALMOST HAVE TO PULL INTO THE
BECAUSE HOW IS NOT ONLY A WEIRD ANGLE IT DOWN UP, SO YOU'RE ALMOST SLANTED DOWN, YOU CREEP UP.
BUT IF YOU CAME OUTTA A PARKING LOT, WOULD IT, WOULD THAT FIX AS IT YES.
BECAUSE WELL IF YOU CAME OUTTA THE PARKING LOT, YOU'D ALREADY BE HIRED THE SAME TYPE RIGHT NOW HELPS.
YOU'RE NOT HERE'S HELPS EXPLAIN THAT.
SO I WOULD PULL OUT IN MY MINIVAN, WHICH IS ALREADY A VEHICLE AND I WOULD STILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN OFF OF UH, THE ANGOLA AREA OFF YOUR RIGHT.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN, WHICH I DID THAT IN THE MORNINGS, YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE MAKING A FAST LEFT AND 50 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LIGHT COMING AT YOU FROM HAMBURG.
THE LAST LIGHT OF AMBER IS THAT.
SO THEY'RE GOING AT A GOOD CLIP BECAUSE THEY HAD A TRACK THINK THE TRACK WE WANT TAKE.
AND THAT TRACK I THINK MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT THE DP AND SAY, LOOK, WE THINK, I'M SURE THE PEOPLE LIVE THERE, THE INTERSECTION, DANGEROUS INTERSECTION, SLIGHT DISTANCE, DISTANCE, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
THE ELEVATION HAVE ITS OWN DRIVEWAY AND NOT
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ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO ALREADY AN INTERSECTION.THAT'S PROBLEMATIC AS LONG AS WE HAVE SAFE ENOUGH DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE TWO ENTRANCES.
SO I'LL ASK DOT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, LOOK, WE WANT THE ENTRANCE OUT.
WE BELIEVE THAT HEALTH IS ALREADY A PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION AND SITE THIS AND PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER LOOK AT IT AND LET'S SAY THAT MAYBE IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GO OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FROM A NEW ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF GOING OUT TO HEALTH.
BECAUSE HEALTH IS ALREADY A DIFFICULT INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT A VOLUME PROBLEM, IT'S A CONFIGURATION AND, AND SITE.
I DON'T WANNA PUT IN THE SPOT SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD, BUT DO YOU THINK IF WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT TO STATE EOT, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY WOULD AGREE WITH US AND SUPPORT US IN IT? YES, I THINK IT WOULD.
I'LL, I'LL CORRESPOND WITH JUST SAY, LOOK, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION TO BEGIN WITH.
PLEASE DO A DO A QUICK STUDY OF AND TELL US THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA BE HESITANT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA ADMIT THE PROBLEM PROTECTION.
BUT UM, IT'S A WEIRD CONFIGURATION SUBDIVISION BEHIND THEM LIGHT.
SOMETHING A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD AT SCHULTZ.
MAYBE THAT MIGHT HELP MAYBE THE STATE.
I THINK THAT THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS GONNA COME ON THAT BACK ROAD IN THE MORNING.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DID GAS.
THEY COME OUT AND THEY GO TO CHU AND COME.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER.
MINUS 30, RIGHT? WHERE DEGREES.
WELL I MEAN WE, WE SHOULD GIVE THAT A SHOT.
I THINK THAT IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS WHY, AND IT'S NOT TRAFFIC RELATED.
HAVE, HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ABOUT THE TYPE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM YOU'RE PUTTING IN, IN THAT LOCATION? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO GO SAND FILTER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT REPLACEMENT AREA AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AREA AND HAVE, HAVE YOUR ENGINEERS HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? YES, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS A MOUTH SYSTEM AND THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS AGREED FOR US TO PURSUE THAT TYPE OF SEPTIC TREATMENT.
SO IT'S A MOUTH SYSTEM THAT'S NOT A SAN HAD GO HUNDRED PERCENT AND THAT'S WE IS IT TRULY A MOUND SYSTEM OR IS IT A SAME? YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT TRULY A MOUND VERSUS SAND MOUND IS JUST, YOU'RE TAKING IT UP.
IT'S NOT A EMBEDDED, JUST IF YOU CAN GET A LETTER FROM THE HEALTH BAR, THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO TELL US THAT, THAT THERE, THAT DESIGN WILL WORK.
I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE HEARING THE VERY LAST PART OF THAT, BUT I, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE GIST IS YOU WOULD JUST LIKE ME TO MAYBE HAVE SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION RIGHT ON THE SYSTEM REGARDING THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND THAT WOULD BE THEN DISCHARGING TO THE STATE HIGHWAY DRAINAGE SYSTEM? CORRECT.
OR IS IT JUST GONNA GO THROUGH ANOTHER, YOU HAVE ENOUGH PERCOLATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA PER TRY TO PERK IT OUT? I JUST WANNA SEE THE DESIGN BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS THE FUTURE OF THAT CORNER.
NOW, BECAUSE THAT DRIVEWAY I THINK IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC AND THE LAYOUT GOES, I DON'T WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS UNTIL WE'VE, WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE SOUTHWESTERN BROADWAY.
SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S WONDERING AS FAR AS WHEN, WHEN A PUBLIC HEARINGS GONNA HAPPEN, THAT'S GONNA BE THE DELAY.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE DRIVEWAY SOUTHWESTERN WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT INTERACTION PUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS READY INTO THE LAYOUT.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT JUST SLID THE BUILDING AWAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT MORE OF THE PARKING IN THE FRONT.
BUT SARAH CAN'T REMEMBER, HE'LL HAVE MY BUILDING BOOK WITH ME.
PARKING HAS TO BE 35 FEET FROM THE HIGHWAY.
THEY CAN GET A VARIANCE DOWN TO 20 OR 15.
BECAUSE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE ON THAT.
BUT WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT IF WE'RE GETTING THIS ALL AWAY FROM THE HOME.
I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY COULD GET A VARIANCE ON THAT PARKING
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CORNER.WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE 35 FOOT, UM, STEP BACK FOR THE PARKING AREA BECAUSE WE MOVED ONE PARKING SPACE OVER.
UM, WE STOCK TO MAKE THAT WORK PAVEMENT.
IF YOU'RE, IT'S FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE SETBACK, NOT THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT FROM THE EDGE OF THE PAVE OF THE HIGHWAY.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON HERE THAT YOUR MEASUREMENT IS, IS FROM THE EDGE OF PA, NOT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
1516, YEAH, I THINK 16 POINT THE, THE SETBACK 35 FEET IS FROM THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE, NOT FROM THE EDGE OF PA OF THE ROAD.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONLY BY 15, 16 FEET FROM THE RIGHT.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'D BE AN ISSUE.
NO, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE DOING ITT AS POSSIBLE.
ONE OTHER THING THAT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD YEAH.
REST WAS, UM, IF THE STATE DOESN'T APPROVE DOLLAR GENERAL HAS HUGE 53 FOOT TRACTOR.
RIGHT? I THINK ONE THEY WOULDN'T USE THE BIG TRUCKS, SMALLER TRUCKS.
EXACT SAME QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THAT.
RIGHT? NO, TAMMY, CAN YOU GUYS JUST, WELL WHEN THEY HAD THE FINAL PLAN, YOU PUT SOME, MAKE SURE THAT I'M SURE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT CHECK.
AND I'D BE GLAD TO PROVIDE SOME TRUCK PATHS, UM, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM AT ALL.
AND AS YOU'VE CORRECTLY STATED, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WHEN WE'RE, UM, NOT COMMITTED TO A DRIVEWAY LOCATION, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US AS THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE YOU A FIRM SITE PLAN LAYOUT BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE SITE.
UM, AND SO I HOPE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT WITH ME.
UM, THE, LIKE THE SKETCH THAT I
BUT AT THIS POINT I CAN LET YOU KNOW OF COURSE THAT WE DID, WE HAVE RUN A TRUCK PACK ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE TRUCK TRUCK PACK SIMULATION.
UM, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT IN A VISUAL FORMAT.
YEAH, I'M HAPPY YOU'RE WORKING WITH US BECAUSE OUR ONLY, IF IT DID, OUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO POSITIVE PROJECT DOING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES ANYWAY.
SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE WORKING WITH US TO LOOK AT THOSE ALTERNATIVE, FIND OUT ANY INSTRUCTIONS OR WHEN DOES THE, THAT'S JUST A MAYBE ON THE SECOND, THIRD, SECOND THURSDAY.
UM, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TRY AND GET SOMETHING TO THEM THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN SUPPORT US.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THEM THAT WE CAN EVENTUALLY SEND STATE THAT TRAFFIC SAFETY CAN HELP US WITH.
BUT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO SOME FIRST DRAFT TYPE SITUATION BEFORE THEIR MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING ELSE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH TODAY ON THIS.
ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD DISAGREE OR ANYBODY WANNA COMMENT ON THE LOOKS OF THE BUILDING OR BEFORE? WELL, YEAH, MY, MY ONE COMMENT WAS I DON'T THINK IT FITS THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERS THE WAY THAT IMPORTANCE AND TIM HORS WASN'T EVEN AN IDEAL LAYOUT.
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IT WAS CERTAINLY A, A COMPROMISE.UM, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, BILL.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT, IT ENTIRELY FITS IN WITH THE, THE ROLE AND RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ITS IMPORTANCE NECESSARILY ADDS TO THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
IT'S DEFINITELY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OVER THERE.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OR SOME WAY TO MAYBE IF WE COULD MOVE THE DRIVEWAY, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL VEGETATION, PARTICULARLY ON ROAD SIDE, THE ROAD.
I RECOGNIZE THOUGH THAT THIS IS, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE DRIVEWAY THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT HOW ALL THIS PLAYS OUT.
AND THERE'S, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE PLANNING BOARD NOW THAT WEREN'T WHEN THE TIM HORTON WAS PROPOSED, BUT MY OPINION THAT SLAN ROOF WAS A BIG DEAL IN WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD.
SO, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE ALL THOSE FLAT ROOFS REALLY DON'T LOOK RIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL RURAL AREAS IN OUR OPINION.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK WE WANNA SEE SOME CHANGES IN THE CONCEPTS.
UM, MEAN, I GUESS BASICALLY THE OVERALL IMPACT IS THE, THOSE PROPOSALS THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU SENT US AN EMAIL ON.
SO THE FIRST DON'T REALLY FIT THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM TIM.
EVEN LESS SO THAN THE TIM HORTONS AND I, I WOULD SAY AS, AS I SAID, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING ORDER NOW AND WE'RE THERE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S IMPORTANCE, IF IT WAS IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN RECEIVED THE SAME WAY.
SO, BUT IT IS THERE, IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT JUST, JUST FOR MY COMMENTARY ON IT, THAT WAS, UH, AND AS CAITLYN SAID, THAT BUILDING THE TIM HORTONS LOOKS PRETTY COMMERCIAL AND IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT THAT EVEN IS.
SO WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AS RESIDENTIAL AS THE TIM HORTONS OR OR LESS COMMERCIAL GUESS.
I COULD TRY TO WORK WITH THAT.
BUT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME JUST THINGS THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO IN THESE SITUATIONS AND WE CAN KIND OF GIVE AN APPEARANCE, YOU KNOW, OF LIKE A PEEK THROUGH.
UM, WE CAN GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF THAT.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PLAY AROUND WITH THE PARAPET WALLS, UM, SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK AS BOXY.
UM, I MIGHT EVEN, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO GET SOME SORT OF LIKE, UM, LIKE STEP OUT, UM, LIKE PROTRUSION.
WE ALREADY HAVE A VESTIBULE THAT KIND OF WILL PROTRUDE OUT AND GIVE SOME DIMENSION, UM, WITH AN, WITH AN AWNING.
BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY JUST HAVE THAT STEP OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIATION.
BUT I'LL GET WITH MY, UM, WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, WITHIN THE, THE REALM OF THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR CLIENT AND SEE IF WE CAN AT LEAST DO SOMETHING LIKE YOU SAID THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL OR LESS COMMERCIAL THAN THE TIM HORTONS.
BUT MAY I ASK AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE MATERIALS, LIKE JUST THE MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING, DID, UM, YOU HAVE, DOES THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY PREFERENCE OF WHETHER WE GO WITH A REALLY NEUTRAL COLOR PALETTE? LIKE JUST THAT, UM, LIKE THE SANDY BEIGE COLOR OR DO YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF THE COLOR BLOCKING SORT OF LIKE THENCE IS USING A LOT MORE COLOR BLOCKING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ATTRIBUTED BY THE BOARD AS GETTING MORE COMMERCIAL OR MORE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO IS DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? I MEAN, ME PERSONALLY AS FAR AS THE ONES THAT YOU SENT US, UM, I I, I KIND OF LIKE THE COLOR BLOCKING AS FAR AS THE NICE LOOKING BUILDING WITH THOSE AWNINGS.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I I THOUGHT THE COLOR BLOCKING LOOKED VERY COMMERCIAL.
YOU LIKE THE CONCEPT, UH, ORIGINAL CONCEPT BETTER WHERE I LIKE THE AWNINGS.
IN THE COLOR BLOCKING AND I'M LOOKING AT THE COLOR BLOCKING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT LOOKS VERY, VERY COMMERCIAL.
I WOULD PREFER THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT COLORS BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE NEUTRAL TONE REALLY TALKING, TRYING TO BLEND IN WITH COMMUNITY.
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THOSE OVER THERE AND PROBABLY MORE I FEEL LIKE, I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD ON TO WHAT MEGAN JUST SAID IS THAT ONE THING I DID NOT LIKE ABOUT, UM, THE ONE ON THE TOP OF THE SECOND PAGE OF ALTERNATE CONCEPTS, I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER EAST AURORA SCORE.ANYTHING THAT'S THAT BROWNIE GRAY COLOR, I FEEL LIKE IT ALMOST 10 TO HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL INSTITUTIONAL FEEL AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR THERE.
SOMETHING THIS LOOKS MORE ESSENTIAL AND AND HOMEY COMBINED WITH SOME PLANTING, SOMETHING THAT, THAT MAKES IT LOOK LESS BLOCKY AND LESS BEIGE, GRGE, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT THE COLOR.
SO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT INSTITUTIONAL.
AS FAR AS THE THREE, THAT WAS THE PROBABLY THE WORST ONE.
YEAH, I I SO LET'S, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS ON, I'LL TRY AND GET SOME MORE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A SUBJECTIVE VIEW OF WHAT IS RESIDENTIAL OR YOU KNOW, WHAT LOOKS NICE.
AND EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT ALONG LTZ ROAD, UM, YES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NICE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES IS DIFFERENT.
AND SO YOU CAN VERY EASILY SEE HOW UM, YOU KNOW, MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA OBVIOUSLY IS ALSO DIFFERENT FROM YOURS.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL JUST LET'S LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND SEE IF I CAN PUT A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE VIEW ON, UM, ON WHAT YOU LIKE.
SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN TO HELP YOU FOR SOME DIRECTION WITH THAT OR, IT'S TOO EARLY FOR ME TO A COLOR WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE TOO EARLY IN THE SYSTEM.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M LYING HERE BUT IT'S JUST TOO EARLY TO DECIDE WHAT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.
YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS AREA, THE WEATHER THAT'S A SNOW BELT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PROJECT I FINALLY GOT ON MY PHONE, BUT WHERE ARE YOU GONNA, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT THE SNOW WHEN THEY PLOW THESE, THIS AREAS DRIVEWAY? IS IT GONNA BE PILED UP OR IS GONNA HELP HER VISIBILITY? WHERE'S THE SNOW GONNA GO WHEN THEY PLOW AND MAINTAIN? I MEAN, I LIVE HERE AND I, I KNOW THAT AREA AND IT'S A LOT OF SNOW HERE IN THE THERE.
I'M START THE SNOW REMOVAL'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE IF I SEE THAT HAPPENING, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
UM, I CAN ASK THE ENGINEER TO DESIGNATE A SPOT ON THE PLANTS TO, UM, STORE SNOW.
UM, LIKE YOU STATED THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS MAYBE TOWARDS THE, UM, WAS THAT THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PARKING LOT? IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME AREA THERE.
UM, AND BESIDE THE, THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL WHERE WE MAY NOT HAVE LIKE A, A CURB OR A SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, A SNOW PLOW COULD JUST PUSH IT OFF INTO THE GRASSY AREA AREA.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, I GET THE ENGINEER TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
I WOULD ALSO BRING TO THEIR ATTENTION THE WINDS THAT GO THROUGH THAT AREA.
MAKE SURE THAT WHEREVER YOU DUMP THE SNOW ISN'T GONNA DECREASE THE FRONT BECAUSE WHEN THE STORM DOES KICK UP, I WOULD HATE FOR YOU TO HAVE ALL THE SNOW MOVE SOMEWHERE AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR STORM OR KIND A BLOW ON THE SOUTHWEST.
SO HAVE, HAVE THE ENGINEER GET BACK TO ON THAT.
AND THEY, MY, MY ENGINEERS ARE, THEY'RE BASED OUTTA ROCHESTER SO I KNOW THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH SNOW EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT BE.
THEY'RE, SO THEY'LL HAVE A GOOD PLAN.
SO ANOTHER SUGGESTION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UH, RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, THE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW ON HEALTH ROAD ADJACENT THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
THE ONE WAS CLOSEST AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS STILL THERE FROM WHEN I DROVE PAST, BUT THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW IS SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE KIND OF THIS WHITE DECK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S SPLIT RAIL, BUT IT'S LIKE WHITE WOOD FENCE.
SO I KNOW SOME SORT OF FENCING IN ADDITION TO LANDSCAPING, SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE FENCING MIGHT BE AN OPTION AS LONG AS IT'S OKAY.
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AGAIN, I DON'T, I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANNA GO WITH RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE BROADWAY GROUP LLC OCTOBER 21ST.
OKAY, SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RANDY SCHMITZ REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
SEAN HOPKINS FROM THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TYLER SCHMITZ, ALSO WITH CHRIS WOOD AND CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
THE BOARD WILL RECALL WE PRESENTED THIS DURING THE WORK SECTION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP IS TO DO SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA AND APPLY FOR A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH.
ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS TO BE 200 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
WE'VE NOW MADE THAT CHANGE PROVIDING APPROXIMATELY 172 ACTUALLY 173 FEET IN THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN THE ADJACENT HOME IS THE ADDITIONAL OFFSET.
WE'RE NOW COMPLYING WITH THAT REQUIREMENT PER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA IN THE CODE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A TUNNEL CAR WASH, THIS IS A LASER CAR WASH.
ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE WE'VE MADE SINCE PRESENTING THIS TO YOU LAST IS WE PREVIOUSLY HAD THE ABILITY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HANDLE TWO VEHICLES IN EACH OF THESE AREAS AT ONCE.
WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A TARGETING WASH AND THEN SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE A TARGETING DRIVE.
WE'VE NOW CHANGED THAT THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS ACTUALLY FURTHER REDUCES THE CAPACITY OF THIS CAR WASH AND HOW MANY VEHICLES COULD BE SERVICED AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE SHOWN, AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS STILL CONCEPTUAL, SOME LANDSCAPING.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE DOLLAR STORE ON THE ADJOINING PARCEL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT ABOUT FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THERE'S SOME EXISTING ELECTRICAL OVERHEAD WALL LINES HERE.
SO WHILE WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING HERE, WE REALLY CAN'T PUT MUCH LANDSCAPING THERE AND OBVIOUSLY A FENCE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE GIVEN THAT WE ALREADY CREATE THIS LITTLE TINY AREA BETWEEN THAT AND THE EDGE OF THAT STORE.
WE ARE SHOWING A CURB CUT ONTO FRANKLIN STREET AND THEN ALSO USING CURB CUT ONTO CAMP ROAD, WHICH OF COURSE IS A NEW YORK STATE HIGHWAY.
THIS WILL BE UM, THAT EXISTING, THAT'S THE EXISTING CURB.
THE OTHER TOPIC THAT WE DID DISCUSS LAST TIME, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, IS I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECRET REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY, UH, SIX N-Y-C-R-R PART SIX 17.5 C NINE BECAUSE THIS IS A BUILDING OF LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
NON-RESIDENTIAL DOES NOT INVOLVE REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE USE VARIANTS ARE OBVIOUSLY RADIO COMMUNICATION OR MICROWAVE TRANSMISSION FACILITIES.
I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY A TYPE TWO ACTION.
THE WILL ULTIMATELY STILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS WELL.
CHRIS, THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE WE WERE PREVIOUSLY HERE? THAT'S ABOUT IT.
WE DID WE THE AND THE NEIGHBORS WITH LANDSCAPE WITH LANDSCAPING IN FRONT PINE.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENT ATTENDANCE.
IT'S MEANT TO BE A CONCEPTUAL COLOR RENDERING THAT WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SUTTON'S OFFICE, SUTON ARCHITECTURE IN WILLIAMSVILLE.
REALLY WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THERE, THE BUILDING IS AN ATTEMPT IN UPSCALE BUILDING.
IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL BUILDING, UH, FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, BUT IT WILL FEATURE, UM, UPSCALE PUR AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE AN OLD STYLE CAR WASH WHERE IT'S GOING TO THE CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING NO ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
I SURE YOU SEND SARAH WE'LL FORWARD ELECTRONIC COPIES.
YOU WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE DREW, I DON'T KNOW DREW AND SARAH.
I THINK SARAH ATTENDED BOARD MEETING.
YEAH, I PRESENT, I SHOWED THIS TO VILLAGE TRUSTEES AND THEY HAD, THEY WERE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
UH, ONE OF THE TRUSTEES HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST KIND OF A INTEREST THAT I COULDN'T ANSWER.
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WHAT MATERIALS WILL BE MADE.LIKE KNOW THAT SHE HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THOSE QUESTIONS IN.
THEY WEREN'T QUESTIONS, THEY WERE JUST KIND OF CURIOSITY.
AND THEN I THINK THE WAY TO HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE.
SO THE VILLAGE HAS DESIGN STANDARD THAT THE MATERIALS AND DESIGN
SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THOSE AND TELL US HOW THIS BUILDING FITS OR DOESN'T WITH THOSE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY ANSWER THEIR QUESTION.
THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT IT, YEAH SIR, WE GET THOSE QUESTIONS.
IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES.
SO LIKE GLASS AND THEN WHATEVER TYPES OF OTHER SERVICES.
YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF MATERIALS THAT ARE EXCLUDED.
AND THERE'S CERTAIN COLOR CODE.
WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT DAVE SUT ARCHITECT IS PARTICULARLY RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THOSE STANDARDS, BUT I THINK THE POINTS WILL GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THE VILLAGE AND, AND WHAT DO THEY CALL THE GATEWAY DISTRICT? YEP.
SO WE WANNA TRY AND MAKE SURE IT FITS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO IT BUT WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WE CAN THIS WE'RE THAT YOU REFER TO LIKE AN INPUT JUST LIKE YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF SAME THING, IT'S JUST PUT IN OUR LAW THAT YOU GET INPUT.
UM, HOW FAR IS TO KIND GO BACK THAT NUMBER THREE IN THE WORK SESSION, HOW FAR IS THAT FROM PARK NEXT TIME YOU'RE ON? DO YOU WANNA BE ON PLAN DIRECTION OR DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH SITE? I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GO SITE.
WE DO THE FIRST WEEK IN FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
OH, YOU WANT SKIP NEXT TIME? YEAH.
HEARING LAST TIME THIS PROJECT CAME US LAST 16TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND YOU YEAH, SO I HAVE, YEAH.
SO I HAVE SPOKEN TO SR IN ROCHESTER.
OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE WORKING FOLKS.
WE'LL HAVE IT SCHEDULE THAT FINE I GUESS TOPIC WANNA DISCUSS BRIEFLY GONNA AFFECT HOW THIS FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS WITH THE STATE AND THEY CHANGED SOME OF THE REGULATIONS AND THAT QUESTION DID CAME UP AND I DIDN'T GET GOOD DIRECTION ON IT.
IN FACT, THE WAY THEY CHANGED THE LANGUAGE IS THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CODE WRITTEN THAT ESPECIALLY NOT ALLOWED.
SO IT IS KIND OF A USE DECISION.
SO TREAT IT AS AN UNLISTED ACTION EVEN THOUGH IT'S MAYBE LESS THAN THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'VE BEEN KIND OF CONSISTENT ON THAT JOHN.
SO WE MAY ON THE SAFE SIDE HAVE YOU DO A SHORT FORM AF AT LEAST PUT THE FILE IS A TYPE TWO ACTION FOR WE ISSUE A YEAH, WE SUBMIT THE A F YEAH.
SO IS WE'LL JENNIFER WEIGH YEAH, WE'LL SUBMIT THE AI, IT WAS A QUESTION DECLARATION.
A BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM IN ALBANY WERE KIND OF LIKE, WELL IF THE CODE IS WRITTEN THAT WAY IT ISN'T USELESS.
LIKE WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE REGULATIONS SAY USE VARIANCE, WHICH IS A VERY SPECIFIC TERM.
IT USED TO BE IF IT DOESN'T INVOLVE A USE.
AND THAT'S WAS THE QUESTION WE HAD WHERE YOU'RE TAKING OUT ALL THESE THINGS.
SPECIAL PERMIT, WE'LL SUBMIT THE AF, THAT'S FINE.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, I'M GONNA MAKE A, THE SECOND WEEK OF NOVEMBER, THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER OR FIRST MEETING? FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RANDY SCHMITZ TO NOVEMBER 4TH BY MR. CLARK.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.ALRIGHT, FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS DAVID MANCO REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF A PROPOSED
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IS WE WERE DISCUSSING WHAT IS OR IS NOT A BENEFIT OF THE TOWN.
WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING THE PUBLIC BE ABLE TO USE THE RECREATION TRAIL AND POND THAT WAS PUT IN THERE.
UM, THAT ISN'T THE SIMPLEST THING TO HAVE HAPPEN.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, WE CAN ASK THE TOWN BOARD IF THEY WOULD TAKE THIS PROPERTY AS A RECREATION PROPERTY, IF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPERS WILLING TO PUT ON IT.
UH, WE CAN'T REALLY ASK THE DEVELOPER TO DO THOSE THINGS, HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MAINTAIN IT AND HAVE THE PUBLIC USE SO IT IS CONTINUOUS TO THE OTHER CONGRESS.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, IF WE SHOULD SEND SOMETHING TO THE TOWN BOARD ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER THIS AND GIVE THEM SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ON WHY WE THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE TOWN TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I WOULD ONLY DO THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS THE CLUSTER WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO TOWN.
SO IF YOU THINK THAT THE CLUSTER BENEFITS IT, WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE USE, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, OR IF YOU THINK THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF A BENEFIT, EVEN IF IT WAS USE, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEND ASK THE TO TO SOME PART ABOUT THAT BILL IS THAT DOESN'T, IS NOT GONNA TAKE SOMETHING THAT DEPARTMENT DOESN'T WANNA OWN A THING.
SO THAT'S THE HARD PART ABOUT THAT.
WELL WE CAN STILL ASK NICELY, RIGHT? YOU CAN ASK RIGHT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH IF, IF WE THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING APPROPRIATE.
SO I WANTED TO GET TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON WHAT EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT THAT.
SO, UH, DENNIS, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TAKE THAT IF RECREATION ISN'T GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT.
YOU KNOW, I I DON'T WANNA SEE IT DO WELL THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THING WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK RECREATION TO TAKE CARE OF IT BY TAKING OWNERSHIP OF IT AND THEY MAY SAY NO, BUT THE TOWN WOULD TELL IF, IF THE TOWN DECIDED TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY AS A RECREATIONAL PROPERTY, THEN THE TOWN WOULD WOULD TELL RECREATION TO MAINTAIN.
THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND WHAT BENEFIT IS THAT TO US? WHAT BENEFIT IS THE TOWN? WELL THE, THE, THE ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF IT WOULD BE THAT THE TOWN GETS A, HOW LONG IS THE PATH? UH, PATH IS APPROXIMATELY A MILE SO THAT THE TOWN GETS A MILE LONG PATH THAT PEOPLE CAN USE FOR EXERCISE AND A POND THAT'S STOCKED WITH FISH THAT PEOPLE AND SOME BENCHES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO A PLAYGROUND THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS TO GET IT.
UM, YES, I MEAN MY MY THINKING OF IT AS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PLACES IN THE TOWN WHERE THERE'S THESE LITTLE AREAS THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN ENJOY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DEVELOP A TOWN.
SO THIS CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AND, AND MAYBE IT GOES THROUGH THAT WAY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE MY OPINION ON IT.
UH, IF THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION GOES THROUGH LIKE THIS AND A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MAINTAINS IT, WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU'VE GOT A MILE LONG PATH THAT BACKS UP TO A FEW DOZEN PEOPLE'S HOUSES THAT 60 HOMEOWNERS CAN USE.
THE REST OF US IN THE TOWN CAN'T.
AND EVEN PEOPLE THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO IT CAN'T USE IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY BENEFITS THE TOWN.
I, I FIRST WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WAS THE PLEASANT ROAD SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE THEY INITIALLY PROPOSED A PATH, BUT THE RESIDENTS DISAGREED THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT THE PATH.
AND THAT GOT TAKEN OUT REALLY EARLY ON.
SO IT DIDN'T GET THIS FAR FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, IF THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, IF WE WANNA SAY THAT IT BENEFITS THE TOWN TO HAVE A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION,
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THE FEATURE THAT MAKES THE CLUSTER UNIQUE SHOULD BENEFIT MORE THAN JUST THE 60 PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BUY THE HOUSES IN THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.THAT, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S NOT, I THINK THE WAY WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THE OTHER RESIDENTS AS MUCH MAYBE ISN'T THE WAY TO GO.
WELL BILL, MY ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING PEOPLE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION AND THEN IF WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THAT BURDEN ON THE TOWN TO MAINTAIN ANOTHER PARK, ALRIGHT, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE MAKING WHAT WE HAVE, THEY DESIGNATE A FEE FROM THIS PROJECT YOU COULD USE TO MAINTAIN THAT PART.
I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WOULD CONSIDER.
UM, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO UH, SEE WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING THE PATH BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT POINT.
DENNIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK CALEB? I WAS GONNA SAY, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN AREA OWNED BY THE TOWN OF CCA THAT ABUT THIS.
BUT WHERE IF PEOPLE WANTED THE TOWN TO GO IN AND USE THIS, THEY WOULD NEED TO DRIVE IN AND AND USE THIS WALKING PATH IF THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, LIVE THERE.
IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF I WERE TO GO THERE, IT'S NOT WALKING DISTANCE OR AN EASY BIKE ROUTE FROM, FROM MY HOUSE, I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND DRIVE AND PARK.
AND I GUESS IT IS NOT GREAT PLANNING TO HAVE A PUBLIC LAND OR A PUBLIC REC AREA SANDWICHED IN THIS WAY WITH NO PUBLIC ROAD, YOU KNOW, WITH LIMITED PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE, ASSUMING THAT TOWN WERE TO TAKE THIS ON THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD PLAN FOR RECREATIONAL SPACE.
AND I SHARE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES.
THE EE COVERED THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UH, AT SOME POINT THE FISH STOCKING, SOME OF THE TRAIL MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THAT WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN.
AND I DUNNO WHETHER THEY WOULD COVER THE LONG TERM IF THEY, IF THEY DONATED LAND, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO IF, SO IF THE TOWN TOOK THE LAND, IT WOULD BE A RECREATIONAL FEE.
THERE'D BE THE LAND INSTEAD OF THE FEE IS IN LIEU OF LAND.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MAINTENANCE COST TO THE TOWN.
I GUESS JUST TO REACT TO WHAT YOU SAID BILL, THE MAINTENANCE COST TO THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT RELATIVE TO WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED.
BUT BILL, IF WE DO FOOD CLUSTER, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE, WE PROVIDE THE OPEN SPACE EITHER WAY.
THE OPEN SPACE WOULD BE EITHER WAY.
BUT IF, IF THE PUBLIC WAS GONNA BE ABLE AT THEN IT'D BE IN, BE IN OF RECREATION.
BUT IF, IF YOU KEPT THAT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION BEFORE, RIGHT MEGAN? I'M, I AM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ENTIRELY DON'T SEE RIGHT OFF SOUTHWEST.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET YOU HAVE TO GO.
SO IT'S NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE FROM, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO THIS.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN THE PARK, THE LAND RIGHT UP HERE, BUT THE TOWN OWNED LAND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN LIKE A PATH.
THERE'S NOT, WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE CLEAR MAKE IT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON THIS STONE OR YOU KNOW, EASILY EASY FOR THEM TO EXTEND THE PATCH.
AND I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU SAY THE RETENTION POND IS NOW A FISHING POND, IS THAT THE PLAN? BOTH THAT ONE SUBDIVISION.
WHETHER OR NOT TOWN WE WANT ASK THE TOWN TO TAKE IT.
NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE CONSIDER THIS PASSIVE.
BUT I DON'T THINK I WANNA ASK TO TAKE ON A BURDEN OF SOMETHING THAT I DON'T FEEL IS VERY IMMENSELY USEFUL TO THE ENTIRE TOWN AND IS A POSITIVE TO THE TOWN VERSUS SETTLING THE TOWN WITH AN EXPENSIVE MAINTENANCE COST AND THE POSSIBLE LIABILITY.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN, THEN WE WON'T, WE WON'T, WE'LL CONSIDER THE PROJECT WITH OUT THE PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THAT TAB
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AND WE WON'T ASK THE TOWN BOARD.YOU WANT ME TO KIND EXPLAIN A COUPLE CHANGES MADE? THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD TO YOU, YOU GOT RID OF SEVEN LEFT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHERE WAS THAT? WE PUSHED IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO GET THE 51, WE HAD TO ELIMINATE INFERIOR OF THE ROAD.
DID YOU ADD A BUFFER AT ALL BETWEEN THIS AND THE EXISTING RESIDENCE? UM, PARKER.
OPEN BY, BY PUSHING DOWN WE LEFT ACCESS THERE.
SO I, SO THERE'S, THERE'S LESS OF AN IMPACT IN THE PEOPLE ON PARKER, WHICH I KNOW RIGHT? WE WERE INTENDING ON DOING THIS.
UH, WE HAD THAT PLAN, BUT THIS ALLOWS BEHIND, SO EVERY HOUSE IS GONNA HAVE A BURN.
EVERY EXISTING HOUSE WOULD HAVE A BURN BEHIND THE LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T DO CLUSTER IN REGULAR SUB? NO.
NOW IF YOU DON'T DO CLUSTER REGULAR SUB, RIGHT? UM, SIGNIFICANTLY, I MEAN EITHER 10, 500, SO WE DO HAVE SOME LOTS THAT ARE 12,000 512, 500.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE BE BIGGER, BE FIVE SQUARE, BIGGER ON SMALLER LOT.
SO 30% LARGER, 30% LARGER ON THE SMALLER AMOUNT, ACTUALLY 50% SMALLER, 10,000, 15,000.
AND WHEN WE CONSIDER CLUSTER VERSUS AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER 60 WHEN IT'S VERSUS 67.
AND WE, WE LITERALLY BOTH LIKELY PUT IN THE SAME HOUSE WE WERE PUTTING ON HERE.
I DUNNO,
SO WHAT MY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP BENEFITS EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT HAS BEEN MADE IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE TOWN TAKES A PUBLIC ROAD THAT THE LENGTH OF ROAD WOULD BE OR MAINTENANCE WOULD BE REDUCED.
DID WE CONFIRM THAT THE TOWN WAS PLANNING TO TAKE OR WILLING TO TAKE THE ADDITIONAL ROAD LENGTH GIVEN ALL THE OTHER BUDGET CONCERNS? RIGHT NOW? UM, THEY HAVEN'T NOT TAKEN IT IN THE PAST.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER NOT TAKEN, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ISSUE WITH, SO IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THE ROAD AND WE, WE HAVE THAT AS PART OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TO MAINTAIN, THEN THOSE HOUSES COULD BE TAXED AT THE RATE OF CONDOS, WHICH IS LESS THAN SINGLE FAMILY.
SO YOU END UP WITH LESS TAX REVENUE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD OFFSET THE SAVINGS OR THE ROAD LIMIT.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO, SO IF THE TOWN DIDN'T TAKE THE ROAD, THE TAXES THAT THE TOWN WOULD CHARGE ON THOSE HOUSES WOULD BE LESS THAN THE TAXES THEY WOULD CHARGE IF THE TOWN DOES TAKE THE WORK.
SO I GUESS IN INDIFFERENCE TO THE PRICE IT'S SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
I GUESS IF WE WERE GONNA CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE ONLY BENEFIT THAT WE WERE USING FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, I GUESS I WOULD WANNA SEE THOSE NUMBERS.
IF THERE WERE SOME OTHER BENEFIT THAT WE WERE COUNTING AS THE BENEFIT TO THE TOWN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY IN ITS OWN RIGHT.
I JUST, IF IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY BENEFIT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT.
SO THIS ISN'T GONNA RECREATIONALLY OPEN TO EVERYONE.
IS IS THERE A WAY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS OR THOSE NUMBERS BEFORE WE GO TO WE CAN'T CONSIDER THE PURPOSE, READ THE PURPOSE.
WE HAVE TO STICK WITHIN THE PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE OF THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY IN THE TOWN DOESN'T TALK ABOUT.
SO TO SIMPLY ANSWER QUESTION, NO, WE CANNOT USE THE, THE REDUCED COST OF THE ROAD LENGTH TO DETERMINE THAT THE TOWN GETS BENEFIT.
SO, SO THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS NO, WE CAN'T CONVINCE THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
RIGHT? AND SOME SI WORK WITH, THAT'S THE INTENT OF CLUSTER, THEY PUT IT RIGHT IN REGULATIONS, WE WANNA OWN LESS INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WANT IT, THE TOWN DID NOT CREATE BUS FOR THAT REASON.
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IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE A THROUGH E.THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THEY CREATED BUS.
THEY WANTED A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL DENSITY.
SO IT DOES, DOES KIND OF DO THAT.
I MEAN THEY'RE OFFERING LITTLE SMALLER LOTS THAN THE NORMAL STANDARD SIZE.
BUT IT SAYS THE OTHER THING WAS, IT WAS IN HARMONY, THE AESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND BY DOING SO IN PROTECTING IMPORTANT OR SENSITIVE LAND FROM DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CONNECT TO OTHER IMPORTANT DOWN PAPERS AND PROVIDE LARGE AREAS OVER LAND.
SO ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WAS WE CAN START GETTING THESE LARGE AREAS OF IMPORTANT GREEN SPACE TIED INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, RIGHT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.
THEN IT WAS ORIGINAL FLEXIBILITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL LAYOUT THAT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY DUE TO A BETTER LAYOUT.
WAS THERE SOME REASON FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDPOINT, DOES THIS LAY OUT BETTER FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY THEN IT WAS TO MINIMIZE DEVELOPMENT OF NON-LOCAL OR MINOR STREETS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE SAME FOR, FOR BOTH THE REGULAR LAYOUT, WHATEVER WE DO HAVE THE BUT ISN'T ISN'T SAYING THAT THE ROAD, NO IT'S JUST NON-LOCAL OR MINOR STREET.
RIGHT? AND THEN IT'S THE GOALS OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
I MEAN IF WE'RE TO DO THIS AGAIN, CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS ALLOW PEOPLE TO THINK.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDER THAT THE CLUSTER DOES SOMETHING BETTER THAN THE REGULAR LAYOUT.
OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON ONE SIDE OF THIS BELIEVE IT.
IT MAY BE BETTER FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE GREEN SPACE AND NOT HAVE A HOUSE IN THEIR BACKYARD.
BUT IT GOES ON FURTHER IN THE REGULATION TO SAY THAT THIS OPEN SPACE SHOULD NOT JUST BE, IT'S NOT, IT'S THE PURPOSE OF PRESERVING OR CREATING SOME PASSIVE RECREATION OR PRESERVING VIEWS.
SEE HOW INTENDED THESE LANDS TO JUST BE BACKYARD AREAS OF GREEN AREAS OF LAND.
SO THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS FOUR 50% LAND, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH IT? THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC AVAILABLE LANDS, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN THAT ROUTE OR IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO SAY THIS IS UNIQUE, THIS PROVIDES, THERE'S A REASON FOR US TO APPROVE THE CLUSTER, OTHERWISE WE'RE SITTING HERE GOING, LET'S BUILD THE REGULAR SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS NOT ANY BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF APPROVAL.
IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE APPROVAL EITHER WAY.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IS THERE, IS THERE BETTER REASON TO DO THE CLUSTER? OKAY, BASED UPON THESE THINGS? I MEAN, CAN WE, COULD WE
WHY, WHY, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY THINK THEIR REGULAR BETTER THAN PROVIDING MORE? THAT'S ON THE PURPOSE OF CLUSTER, IT'S TEST USE.
IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT I LIKE OTHER THAN LIKE REGULAR SUBDIVISIONS.
IT IS THOSE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET.
RIGHT? GO BACK TO THE POSITIVE IMPACT.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE WHOLE OR THAT, AND BY THE WAY, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
IT SAYS PA IT SAYS PASSIVE RECREATION DOESN'T SAY PUBLIC PASSIVE RECREATION.
IT COULD BE JUST PASSIVE RECREATION IN GENERAL DOING OTHER THINGS OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT ISSUE IS, WE DISCUSSED IT AND IT WAS GOOD TO DISCUSS, BUT THE LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE IT TO BE PUBLIC.
IN FACT THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
THE CODE THEN GOES ON FURTHER.
IF WE GET THE CLUSTER, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO 10% GREEN SPACE OR DEDICATE THAT TO THE TOWN.
MARTY'S SAYING NOPE, I DON'T WANT ANY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A UNIT TO THE TOWN.
SO THE TOWN CAN IMPROVE EXISTING RECREATION.
MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IT IN.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT LOSS.
WE HAVE THE FIRST ONE IS THE 50% GREEN SPACE, WHICH NOW THEY'VE MODIFIED THE PLAN IN THE MEANTIME.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT GREEN SPACE SOMETHING IMPORTANT? NOW WHETHER IT HAS TO BE PUBLIC OR NOT, DOES IT DO SOMETHING TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN, PROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE TOWN, PRESERVE SOME IMPORTANT FEATURE, ALLOW FOR THE PASSAGE OF A HERD.
PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT PASSAGE OF WILDLIFE, WHATEVER BECAUSE IT CONNECTS INTO SOMETHING.
LIKE I SAID, THIS WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF IT WAS ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WHERE YOU HAD A BIG STAND OF WOODS AND WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE STAND OF WOODS AND THE STREAM CARD IS GOING THROUGH THERE.
WE HAVE A VACANT FARM FIELD DOES.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, I ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE ONLY THING CALLED OUT THE OPEN SPACE RECREATION PLAN IS THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL.
SO YES, IF YOU CAN OFFER TO PRESERVE THAT SNOWMOBILE TRAIL, THAT'S A CHECK ON YOUR SIDE.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE TOO ABOUT THAT LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE LOCAL WHATEVER, WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THESE FLAG ALONG THE FRONT END, MOVING BACK INSIDE THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE 51 OPEN SPACE INTERNAL FOR LESS THAT BUT BE MADE UP BY THE OPEN SPACE RIGHT ALONG ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS.
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SO I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIFFERENTIATES CLUSTER FROM STANDARD DEVELOPMENT AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE LOT SIZE THE SPACING OF THE HOMES.AND THAT VERY MUCH DRIVES THE CHARACTER.
I MEAN YOU'VE GOT SOME LOTS THAT ARE OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE AS OF RIGHT AND I THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA AND PERHAPS DREW CAN HELP US WITH THAT.
BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT PROPERTY VALUES ON SMALLER LOTS VERSUS PROPERTY VALUES ON LARGER LOTS MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME.
WHICH ALSO FACTORS BACK INTO COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO PURSUE CLUSTER VERSUS VERSUS TRADITIONAL.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE WE'RE RUNNING INTO HERE IS THERE'S NOT A SLAM DUMP EASY JUSTIFICATION THAT'S NOT VERY SUBJECTIVE BETWEEN THE AS OF RIGHT AND AND CLUSTER.
AND I THINK THERE IS A SUBSET OF FOLKS THAT PREFER THE LARGER LOTS, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND THE SPACING OF THAT AND, AND HOW YOU WEIGHT THAT VALUE.
THAT IS, UH, AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT THING.
AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU KAILYN, MATTER OF FACT I'LL RELAY THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T LIKE WHEN THEY'RE 50 FOOT AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING 50, WE ALLOW YOU TO GO DOWN THE 50 60 FOOT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING SEVEN FOOT ISSUE OF VALUE DID WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE OF THE VALUE OF THE HOMES OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA IN THE CLUSTER LAW, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE, IS THAT THE CLUSTER LAW SAYS YOU NEED TO PRESENT ARCHITECTURAL AND TELL US THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS YOU'RE GONNA PLACE ON THIS.
THEY'VE SHOWN US THAT THEY'RE NOT PLACING, THEY'RE GONNA PLACE FULL SIZE BUILDINGS ON THIS.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE HOW IT'S GONNA FIT ON.
70 FOOT LOT IS NOT A, NOT A BAD SIZE.
90 TO 70 50 FOOT IS DIFFICULT.
THE TOWNS HAD PROBLEMS WITH 50 FOOT LOTS AND IF THEY WERE 50 FOOT LOTS, BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED.
SO YOU CAN GET SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, BACKYARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IN, UH, UH, SHEDS AND STUFF.
YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AND FOR POOLS AND WHATEVER.
SO THE ISSUE OF THAT IS, I, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THE CODE ASKED FOR, WELL WHAT KIND OF HOMES ARE YOU PUTTING UP HERE? BECAUSE THAT DOES GO TO CHARACTER VALUE AND HEARSAY TOO.
WHEN EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THEY KNOW ASSESSMENT, MOST OF YOUR ASSESSMENT IS THE VALUE OF THE HOME AND NOT THE VALUE OF THE LAND.
UH, YOUR, YOUR LAND IS PROBABLY ASSESSED AT 20 OR $25,000 AND THEN YOUR HOME IS WHATEVER VALUE THAT THAT THAT SETS THE, THE TAX YOU LEMME JUST POINT OUT MINIMUM OUTSIDE.
BUT ANYWAY, SO VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
KEEP ASKING BUT WE, WE GOTTA GENERATE A REASON.
WE'RE GONNA ALLOW 'EM TO USE CLUSTER.
WE GOTTA HAVE REASONING ON THE RECORD TO SAY THIS IS WHY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE EVERYBODY WOULD DO CLUSTER.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU NOT DO A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY IT CAN HAVE SMALLER, LARGER AND MIX THEM IN LESS INFRASTRUCTURE.
CAN WE SEE WHAT CAN, CAN THE BOARD MEMBERS TELL WHERE WHERE THEY'RE LEANING OR GOTTA COME TO DECISION AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? IF WE DON'T COME TO ANY DECISION, THEY CAN JUST PROCEED TO A REGULAR LAYOUT TIME.
LET, LET'S, LET'S GO OVER THAT'LL AT THE OPPOSITE END LAST TIME.
I DON'T LIKE FACT PICK UP THE EXTRA LIABILITY AND MAKE NO, YOU GUYS SAID NOT TO DO THAT.
SO, SO THAT PATH WOULD BE PART OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION SO THE TOWN WOULDN'T PICK THAT UP.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE USED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT THEN THE TOWN COULD SO WOULDN'T BE SO THE CLUSTER, RIGHT? SO I, I PROPOSED THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO DO IT.
SO THAT TABLE, SO THE TOWN WOULDN'T PICK THAT UP.
THE ACCESS, THE ACCESS FOR THAT OUT WOULD JUST BE MAINTAIN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND TO CLUSTER LAYOUT AGAIN.
WELL THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, THAT'S A PLUS.
PLAN GOES FORWARD AND I'M STILL NOT DECIDED WHETHER I AGREE WITH SOME
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OF THE THINGS GOING SITE PLAN, BUT IF I HAVE A CHOICE, YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION, I PREFER I THE PLUS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE OPEN SPACE MAKES THE DECISION TO MAKE, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE.YOU ALSO HAVE LESS VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT, RIGHT? THEY'RE CUTTING BACK LIKE SEVEN BLOCKS STILL THAT ROAD.
I'M JUST SAYING, I GOING, I'M TRYING TO GO OUT OUTSIDE THE BOX QUESTION, BUT I'VE BEEN IN AROUND THIS SITE QUITE A BIT.
IT'S A TOUGH ROAD LIKE PARKER ROAD, IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND, AND AND IT GOES UP.
NOW THE QUESTION IS MARYLAND DRIVE, THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT ACROSS THE ENTRANCE BY, IT WAS DOWN HERE.
BUT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JUST I WOULD, IF I DECIDE I WOULD PREFER, I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR ME IS WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE RULES OF CLUSTER, IT'S GOTTA PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE AND BENEFIT FOR THE TOWN.
AND I'M GETTING
SO TOWN LAW ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THE RECREATIONAL AREA HAS TO PROMOTE THE COMMUNITY GROWTH.
I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE COMMUNITY GROWTH OF THAT AREA.
SO FOR CLUSTER IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BENEFIT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THE CLUSTER DOESN'T HAVE AN OVERALL BENEFIT.
THE DOES NOT THAT HAS BENEFIT THE TOWN TERM IN THE TOWN CODE COMMUNITY.
IN THE TOWN LAW IS COMMUNITY GROVE IN NEW YORK, STATE TOWN, NEW YORK, STATE TOWN LAW, RECREATIONAL SUPPOSED PROMOTE COMMUNITY.
WELL THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THEN BETWEEN THE CLUSTER AND THE AS OF RIGHT, LIKE I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL DEFINITION OF RECREATIONAL AS OF RIGHT.
WOULD
YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE RECREATIONAL AREA WITH THE AS OF RIGHT? YEAH.
IF, IF THEY DIDN'T ADD THE RIGHT ONE.
THE LAW REQUIRE 10% RECREATION FOR A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY GOING ON RECORD SAYING WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T NEED AND WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER RECREATION SPACE.
SO THE REGULAR LAYOUT WOULD PAY THE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF UNIT TO THE TOWN BECAUSE THEY ONLY TAKE RECREATION AND THE TOWN IS STRUGGLING NOW THE TOWN OWNS OVER 50 PIECES OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN OR TO DEVELOP.
SO THEY KIND OF CUT BACK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF TAKING MORE BECAUSE JUST DON'T HAVE RIGHT.
THEY HAVE SO MUCH NOW THEY DUNNO WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
WITH, WITH THIS, YOU'RE GETTING THE OPEN SPACE PLUS A
I, I REALLY LIKE REGULAR, UH, FOR A COUPLE, COUPLE, THREE WEEKS.
ONE, ALL THESE LOTS ARE LOCKED.
SO YOU LARGER HOMES OR, OR HAVE MORE STICK? ITS JUST BIGGER LOTS TO ME.
ALL AND TRYING TO JAM ALL THESE, YEAH, 75 IS A LOT BETTER THAN 50, BUT, UH, 120, 90, A LOT BETTER THAN THAT.
SECOND YOU'VE GOT TWO ENTRANCES, TWO MAIN ENTRANCES ON THE PART OF THE SUB.
AS FAR AS THE TWO ENTRANCES GO, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES ON THE CLUSTER ALSO, BUT IN BOTH OF THEM, POSSIBLY, UH, JUST PRINTED, RIGHT.
THAT WET WE, BUT THE SAME REASONING THAT WOULD APPLY TO GATING IT CLUSTER YOU APPLY TO AS.
CAN YOU PUT IN THE RE SO IF YOU WERE GONNA G IT ON THE CLUSTER, YOU G IT ON BECAUSE THE REASONING FOR GATING IT WOULD CHANGE PROPERTY WITH A REGULAR.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE, UH, AREA TO PAY EITHER WAY.
SIDEWALK RECALL, DON'T THINK SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK ON.
I THINK THE LAST PROJECT WE DID, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET IN ANOTHER DISCUSSING
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WHETHER SIDEWALK RIGHT AND THERE SIDEWALKS CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALKS INSIDE.BECAUSE FROM RESIDENT LAST
NOW, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WHETHER IT'S A SUB, WHETHER IT'S A BUS OR A REGULAR LAYOFF, THE LAWS RIGHT NOW FOR ALL NEW ROADS, YOU HAVE TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN UNLESS YOU WAVE THEM.
WE TYPICALLY WAVE THEM ON EXISTING ROADS IF THEY GO NOWHERE.
I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULD WAVE IT ON RIGHT.
IN THE SUBDIVISION PARKER, IT WOULD CONNECT TO THE, SO IT WOULD CONNECT TO SOMETHING PARKER, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THE RIGHT.
ARE THE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC? PUBLIC EITHER WAY.
UM, CALIN, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH DOUG.
I AM LEANING TOWARDS UNC CLUSTERED.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES FROM THE CLUSTERED, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT LOT SIZE AND CHARACTER ASSOCIATED WITH, OR I REALIZE THE OVERALL DENSITY FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE SUBDIVISION IS THE SAME WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE GREEN SPACE, BUT JUST THE DENSITY OF THE HOMES.
I, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASONS OUTLINED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I, I THINK I'M LEANING TOWARDS THE, UH, THE AS OF RIGHT, THE RIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S SEVEN MORE LOTS IN THE AS OF ROAD, DENNIS.
I, I THINK THAT THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO THE LARGER LOT SIZES.
I, I'M GOING AS OF RIGHT BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T WANNA TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD, UH, FOR MEDICARES MAINTENANCE COSTS.
DENNIS, DENNIS, YOU GET THE ROAD EITHER WAY.
THE ONLY THING IS THE LARGE LAW SIZE AND RESIDENT WILL BE ABLE TO PUT POOL IF THEY DO IT.
NOW I WHY, WHY? YOU'RE CUT OUT DENNIS.
THE ROAD, THE ROAD, THE ROAD, THE ROAD'S PUBLIC IN BOTH SCENARIOS.
THE RIGHT AND PUBLIC WELL, IT'S FINE, BUT THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE SMALLER OR NOT.
AND YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT GOING AND I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA LOOK THERE.
UH, IF YOU GIVE THEM A LITTLE WALKING TRAIL.
SO YOU JUST APPROVED THE PROJECT OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HAMBURG PLEASANT.
YOU APPROVED 50 FOOT LOTS FOR THAT SUBDIVISION OVER ON PLEASANT WITH A MIX OF 50 AND LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE IDEA OF APPROVING THAT WAS SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED? I, I DUNNO THAT, I MEAN THAT IS JUST ONE MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THE LAYOUT IS, THE LAYOUT IS, OKAY.
BILL, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I, THE ONE WHICH
THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THE LAW.
AND WHAT I DON'T QUITE LIKE WITH SOME OF THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS AND, AND THIS ONE INCLUDED, WHICH IS WHY I PROPOSED MAYBE DOING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
I DON'T THINK THE CLUSTERS DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THEY CREATE CLUSTERS OF AREAS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY CUT US OFF FROM EACH OTHER MORE OFTEN THAN THEY CREATE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT CREATES A COMMUNITY.
SO AS FAR AS OUR LAW GOES AND THE STATE LAWS, I DUNNO THAT THIS ONE FITS, BUT IF, IF YOU SHOW ME THE TWO PLANS AND SAY WHICH ONE YOU LIKE BETTER, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WOULD BE, UH, A, A BETTER PLAN TO APPROVE YOU GO TO CLUSTER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE ON PARKER AND, UM, LISA,
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RIGHT.IT'S, IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO THOSE, THOSE DOZEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR SO LONG WITH NOTHING IN THEIR BACKYARD AND WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE DO VOTE FOR THOSE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, WE KIND OF BACK INTO THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY FINDING DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED BIG CLUSTERS OF TREES.
UM, SO WE CAN HANG OUR HAT ON SOMETHING IN THAT OPEN SPACE AS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT THAN A LOT OF THOSE OTHER ONES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE WOOD AREA PRESERVE.
UM, WE'VE GOT SNOW AND IS THAT ENOUGH? MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE, IT WASN'T REALLY KEEPING COUNT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, SNOWMOBILE TRAIL WOULD'VE TO BE WHAT WE HUNTER HAD SO BE IF THEY'RE BUILDING THOSE HOUSES YEAH.
SPENDING THAT MONEY TO VERY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE STONEVILLE CLUB, WHICH I, THE TRAILS ARE POSTED AND THEY'RE MARKED WITH MARKERS ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THAT.
THEY, THEY J THEY CAN'T, THE RULE IS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RIDE OUTSIDE THE POSTER AREA.
YOUNGER KIDS THAT DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES.
I WAS GONNA SAY, TAKE A LOOK AT DALE ROAD.
SO, BUT IF YOU BELONG TO THE CLUB AND WE DO FOLLOW THE RULES, THE CLUB, WE UNDERSTAND INSURANCE LIABILITY, IT WOULD BE MARKED ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH.
AND NOT ONLY I THINK DO THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THE NEW HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BACK THERE THAT YES, THIS ALL GO CLUB IS THROUGH.
YOU WANT ONE MORE MEETING THAT THINK ABOUT OR DO YOU WANNA THINK WE CAN VOTE ON WHETHER THEY GO FORWARD ON A CLUSTER INFORMAL PUBLIC INFORMATION? A FACEBOOK THAT WERE, UH, THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T HERE.
I MEAN THAT THEY HAD, YOU HAD LIKE NINE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR.
AND THEN BY MY UNOFFICIAL SCORE KEEPING, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT POS IT WITH PARKER ROAD AND THEY HAD HOUSES IN THE BACKYARD, COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, SO THE FIRM MAY HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO IT, BUT STILL PUBLIC BEING IN FAVOR OF IT OR OPPOSED TO IT AS, AND WE DEAL WITH DIFFICULTY ON THIS BOARD ALL THE TIME ISN'T THE SAME AS CLIENT LAW.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE THE PUBLIC, IT DOESN'T LIKE A PROJECT AND WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT THE LAW DOESN'T LET US JUST SAY NO FOR NO REASON OR SAY YES FOR NO REASON.
THE PROJECT PEOPLE LIKE THAT DOESN'T, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
SO, SO THE BENEFITS JUST IN SAYING, I MEAN WE'VE GOT, WELL IT'S, I MEAN IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY THINK THE BENEFIT IS.
RIGHT? YOU CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOUR OPINIONS, BUT, UH, CARBON BOOK ONE HUGE BY DECREASING THE BLACKROCK AREA CARBON FOOTPRINT.
YOU'RE ABOUT 1,400 FEET THAT A ROAD GOING LESS THAN 1004 FEET OF SNOW REMOVAL, MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD MAINTENANCE COST TO THAT OVER COMPOUNDED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SAVINGS.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK, UM, ARE RELATIVE TO CLUSTER THAT FROM LAST, THE LAST TIME.
I JUST, OH, TODAY I'M, I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT LAST TIME AND MOST OF 'EM, UM, MOST OF 'EM TALK ABOUT THE SMALLER LOTS BEING A BENEFIT.
THERE ARE A FEW OF 'EM THAT SAY JOE FOE ONLY IF ONLY AGREE IF ENTIRE TOWN BENEFITS EXCLAMATION POINT.
UM, KATHY KOSIK, IF THERE WILL BE A POND AND A WALKING PATH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS SINCE IT'LL BE IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UM, BRIAN TAMEL, LIKE THE CLUSTER, UM,
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ALL THAT MIKE BRAD HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SMITH THAT WERE, UH, RELEVANT TO YEAH, I'LL KIND OF, OKAY, I'LL TAKE THE ONE SIDE FIRST ABOUT CLUSTER.THE CLUSTER DOES PROVIDE SOME OPEN SPACE.
IT IS GOING TO PRESERVE THE, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL, WHICH IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
UM, JUST GIVEN THE POSITIVE SIDES, UH, IT, WE'LL DO THE NEGATIVE SIDE TO THE SECOND.
UM, SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT IT ADDED SOME FEATURES TO THE AREA TO MAKE IT MORE, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY DO MORE? A SUGGESTION COULD BE IF THE ADJOINING PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE HERE WANT HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR, HAVE THIS THING IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEY COULD PROBABLY GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, ALLOW A DOZEN HOMES ACCESS TO THIS, TO THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
I CAN'T DRIVE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOWN AND, AND PARK MY CAR HERE AND WALK THIS PATH.
UH, BUT THEY COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THEY COULD DO TO BUILD THIS AREA TO SAY WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE AREA? NOT TO THE ENTIRE TOWN, BUT THE AREA, THE NEGATIVE SIDE, LIKE I SAID, SAID FROM DAY ONE, NEGATIVE SIDE IS I WAS, WAS TRYING TO JUST PRESERVE LARGE TRACKS OF GREEN SPACE.
AND THEY LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, HOW CAN WE DO THIS? WE CAN'T STOP DEVELOPING ALL OVER TOWN, BUT WE CAN ALLOW SOME PEOPLE TO CLUSTER SO THEY CAN PRESERVE THOSE GREEN THAT ARE GOING, GOING THROUGH THE TOWN, PRESERVING WILDLIFE TRAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
SO THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? INSTEAD OF, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE OTHER THAN THE, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT IS UNIQUE.
THAT'S CALLED OUT FOR IN THE TOWNS PLANTS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL IF YOU THE REGULAR
I CALL THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB AND I BELONG TO THE MER SNOW MOB, WHICH TALKED TO WHICH, UM, SPOKE TO THE PRESENT.
IT'S GONNA END ABOUT 27 MILES OF TRAIL.
AND THIS IS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE THAT TAKES YOU FROM THE, OUR AREAS OF THE SOUTHBOUND TAKING YOU UP TO EAST AURORA.
I'M SURE THAT HAPPENS A LOT THOUGH, RIGHT? DEVELOPMENT OR LAND.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S A TRAIL EXIT.
YOU'RE DONE'S DONE THAT, THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM EAST AURORA CAN'T COME UP THIS WAY.
THEY PICK IT UP ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE ALL WAY AROUND.
REMEMBER THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO AGREE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GET THE EASEMENT RIGHT TO COME THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THEN CLUB THAT AREA EVERY, SO WHEN THEY COME OFF PROPERTY HEADING TO THE EAST, WHERE DO THEY GO NOW? UH, DOWN THE NEXT, NEXT SECTION OF TRAIL AND HOP ON THE NEXT.
SO THEY COULD JUST, ALRIGHT, SO, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO THE STREET.
SO, SORRY, JUST TO, TO CLARIFY, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL RIGHT NOW DOESN'T CUT THROUGH ANY OF THE BACKYARDS OF THE PROPERTIES ON JUMP BIKE WAY.
HOW DOES IT GET FROM THE EDGE OF THE, YOUR PROP? THIS PROPERTY TO PARKER ROAD COMES THROUGH THE TOWN PROPERTY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE WHERE WETZELS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP, THERE'S A TOWN PIECE THAT RIDES THROUGH HERE.
IT COMES THROUGH THE TOWN PIECE AND ENTERS ABOUT 250 FEET UP OFF THE CORNER OF THE BACK PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN COMES DOWN THE BACKSIDE AND COMES UP THE PARKER MAKES A RIGHT HAND TURN.
HOW DOES IT GET TO PARK? SO WHO'S, HOW DOES IT GET TO PARKER? COMES, COMES THROUGH THE WOOD AND IT COMES UP THROUGH THE VACANT LOT THAT I HAVE RIGHT HERE OFF THIS PIECE.
SO, AND THEY RIDE THE SHOULDER DOWN TO THE NEXT TRAILER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING, IS THAT THE LAND ZONE HAR LOFT? THAT ONE? YES.
HOW WIDE IS HOW WIDE A TRAIL IS? I MEAN HOW MUCH LAND DO YOU UH, USUALLY THE SOLAR CLUB TAKES 25 TO 35 FEET ENOUGH FOR TWO SNOWMOBILES TO PASS EACH OTHER.
THE GROOMERS THAT GO AND GROOM THESE TRAILS, THE GROOMERS ARE 16 FEET WIDE AND THE MACHINE TRACKS ARE ABOUT 18 TO 20 POLE AWAY.
THEY NEED THE ROOM TO COME DOWN THROUGH THE, ARE ALL GROOM.
SO ON A REGULAR LAYOUT, COULD YOU, THERE WILL BE NO MORE TRAILS BECAUSE COULD YOU LEAVE THE 25? COULD YOU LEAVE 25 FEET ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE FOR THE TRAIL? NO, BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY LINES NOW WOULD COME ALL THE WAY END OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT NOW WORK.
AND THE LANDOWNER DOESN'T WANNA SELL THE, THE LANDOWNER DOESN'T WANNA SELL US ANY MORE LAND ALREADY.
WE'VE GOT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF LAND I CAN GET FROM THEM.
I MEAN THE, THE QUESTION REALLY BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING YES OR NO ON WHETHER THEY SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THE SUBDIVISION OR DO WE NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SUCH A VOTE BECAUSE WE WANT MORE INFORMATION.
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SO WHAT, WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO WE WANT? UM, SO CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS? SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPER IS THAT HE IS SAYING THAT HE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO TAKE THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN AND PERHAPS LEAVE A STRIP CONNECTING FROM THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA TO THE OTHER PROPERTY HE OWNS.LEAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE PARCEL AS AN EASEMENT FROM SNOW TRAIL.
HE'S ONLY WILLING TO DO THAT IF WE DO THE CLUSTER.
WHY, WHY WOULD I HAVE A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL RIGHT TO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD WHERE SWIM POOLS AND SHEDS, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN, THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
'CAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WOULD HAVE TO UNDER INSURE EVERY HOMEOWNER ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM EVERY HOME AND THEN PROVIDE INSURANCE.
AND IF THE GUY DECIDES TO PUT A, A FENCE, I GUESS PUT A GATE IN AND OPEN THE GATE EVERY YEAR.
I GUESS I WAS NOT SUGGESTING THAT, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT YOU COULD LEAVE A STRIP OF LAND THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THOSE LOTS THAT'S STILL OWNED BY WHOEVER OWNS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND AREA.
AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION, BUT I'M NOT SAYING YOU'D GO THROUGH THE LANDOWNER, THAT YOU WOULD STILL RETAIN THE OWNERSHIP OF A STRIP.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, MY OPINION WAS IS THAT IF WE DIDN'T PUT THE POND HERE, THE POND'S GONNA MOVE UP FRONT POSSIBLY AND THEN WE'D HAVE POND ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN THIS LAND HAS TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN.
WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE STRAW WATER? WE WOULD, IT'D BE THE SAME AS THEY RIGHT THERE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT NO, I GUESS BILL, I WOULD LIKE, UH, IT'S OKAY.
I'D LIKE ANOTHER MEETING TO CHEW ON SOME OF WITH THE GUESS THINK IT MEETING.
WHAT DOES AGREE? WHAT'S THAT? I'M CHANGING MY MIND.
CAN WE COMMIT THOUGH? I MEAN, MIGHT AS WELL.
I THINK WE HAVE TO, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO WE VOTE, WE GOTTA WE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON AGAIN, IT THE CLUSTER NOW.
RIGHT? SOME DIVISION MAY NOT BEEN APPROVED.
OKAY, SO, SO ON THE 21ST YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GO FORWARD WITH CLUSTER VERSUS REGULAR CLUSTER VERSUS REGULAR.
SO IF WE SAY YES, YOU CAN HAVE A CLUSTER, THEN THEY, THEN THEY GO FORWARD THE SITE PLAN ON THE CLUSTER.
IF WE SAY NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE A CLUSTER, THEN THEY GO FORWARD WITH SITE PLAN ON THE
SO, SO THAT WILL BE BOTH AND YEAH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MORE INFORMATION.
WE'RE GONNA TRY AND DIGEST THE STUFF WE HAVE.
SO, SO YEAH, WE, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT ON OCTOBER 21ST.
WE HAVE, SO DENNIS HAS A QUESTION.
IS THIS SNOWMOBILE TRAIL GONNA BE PART OF THE RECREATION FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? NO, IT'S, IT'S A TOWN 26 MILES LONG.
IF, IF WE WERE APPROVED THE CLUSTER, THE LONG RUN OFFERING, WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, TO A PROJECT ORGANIZATION, ORGANIZATION GOES TO THE CLUB.
THERE'S NO MORE SNOWMOBILE DRILL.
IF NEW YORK STATE FOLDS AND THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB GOES AWAY BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY TO UNDERINSURED THE CLUBS.
SO WE CAN'T MAKE THEM, IT GOES AWAY.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THESE CLUBS, JUST THE AFFILIATE MAJORITY OF THESE CLUBS HAVE SIGNIFICANT FUNDS BECAUSE WE SHORT ON SNOW THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS.
SO THE MONEY THAT HAS TO THESE TRAILS, SOME OF THESE CLUBS GET A COUPLE THOUSAND, HAVEN'T SPENT THEIR FUNDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SNOW IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS SPEND ON FUEL AND REPAIRS.
AND SO THE CLUBS DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FUNDS ON HAND LATELY.
SO HOW CLOSE, HOW CLOSE IS IS TRAIL GONNA BE TO THE TRAILS GONNA BE BASICALLY IT'LL BE IN THE SPOT IF, BUT BUT, BUT SARAH HOLD ON.
IF, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH CLUSTER, THEN WE WOULD DO SITE PLAN.
SUBDIVISION, SORRY, AS FAR AS PART OF SUBDIVISION, WE WOULD HAVE THEM MARK WHERE THE PATH SHOULD BE
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BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF THE CLUSTER WOULD BE TO PRESERVE IT.SO THEN WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE PLAN AND IT MIGHT BE, WE MAY FIND A REASON THAT IT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT SPOT THAN IT'S NOW.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, DENNIS, THAT'S NOT DECIDED YET.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE INPUT ON IT.
I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF PEOPLE BUY A HOUSE, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, BACKED UP TO A SNOWMOBILE TRAVEL.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF THE BUS SUBDIVISION FOR OCTOBER 21ST.
ALL IN FAVOR, HOWEVER, MR. IS COME.
SARAH, I'LL GET WRITE IN AND IF THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS ANYTHING FROM SARAH OR I TO GENERATE FOR YOU, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
AT LEAST WE IN ADVANCE WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION FOR SO, SO WE DID.
WHEN I WAS THE VICE CHAIR AND WHEN I FIRST STARTED BEING CHAIRMAN
BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING THE VIRTUAL AND MOVING AROUND SO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SITTING.
BUT I, BUT I USED TO, I I, I USED TO ACTUALLY KIND OF PRACTICE MYSELF AS, AS FAR AS HOW FAR AWAY THE PERSON WOULD BE TO TRY AND DO IT.
UM, SO THAT'S MY EXCUSE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD ONE OR NOT.
IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU DIE, BUT IT'S SO, AND JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW, ONCE THIS DECISION'S MADE, WHETHER IT'S A CLUSTER OR REGULAR, WE'RE GONNA START THE REGULAR PROCESS PRELIMINARY.
WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HOLD THE HEARING.
WE'RE HAVE TO, WE'RE SEND NOTICE ALL THE AGENCIES DO A 2 39 REFERRAL.
WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
THIS IS JUST A STEP OF SAYING BEFORE THEY SPEND ALL THEIR MONEY, PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER.
UM, STILL BE DONE, STILL THROUGH A LONG PROCESS.
HOW ABOUT THE MINUTES? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD? YES.
I DIDN'T, I WHEN DID YOU SEND THE MINUTES OUT? THE LAST MEETING? PROBABLY, UM, MONDAY OF THIS WEEK.
DID YOU GET THE LAST MINUTES? I HAVE HAVE ARE THE SEPTEMBER 2ND.
THOSE ARE THE LAST ONES I HAVE AS WELL.
I WAS WILLING TO ASSUME THAT IT WAS ME NOT, SO I DID THE SAME THING.
I FIGURED I, THIS I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THEM ON MONDAY EITHER.
I'M LOOKING AT MY EMAIL RIGHT NOW.
UM, ONE THING, SO AT OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING STUFF LATE BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO THIS WEEK WE, WE HELD ALL THE THINGS THAT CAME IN LATE.
UH, BUT BEFORE WE MAKE THAT AN OFFICIAL POLICY, I THINK WE AS BOARD TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE THAT BETTER THE WAY WE DID IT THIS WEEK FOR THE WAY WE WERE DOING IN THE PAST.
SO THERE, THERE WERE SOME EMAILS THAT CAME IN, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN 'EM, UH, SARAH HELD 'EM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM TO CONSIDER.
SO THE APPLICANTS KNEW THAT WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT DO IT.
DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THE WAY THAT WENT THIS WEEK WHERE WE DIDN'T GET THE LAST MINUTE EMAILS? UM, DO WE WANNA MAKE AN OFFICIAL POLICY TO UH, CUT IT OFF ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE DOUG SAYS NO, I BARELY GET IT, BUT WHEN WE GET IT, WE GET IT.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN JUST GIVE OUR OPINIONS NOT ARGUING.
I'M JUST LIKE, I, IF FOUR PEOPLE WANNA HAVE HIM LAST MINUTE, WE LAST MINUTE.
IF FOUR PEOPLE WANNA HAVE CUT OFF FRIDAY, THAT'S HOW WE'LL DO IT.
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AL OKAY.I THINK IT GIVES MORE TIME TO DENNIS.
I, I LIKE THE CUTOFF ON FRIDAY.
CAITLYN? I LIKE THE CUTOFF ON FRIDAY AND MOST TOWNS HAVEN'T CUT OUT SEVEN THE 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE.
SO, SO WE'VE, SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MUST CUT OFF ON FRIDAY.
WE'LL CONTINUE DOING IT THAT WAY.
I JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT IF YOU HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT ON SOMETHING AND YOU GOT IMPORTANT STUFF THAT CAME IN, YOU'RE GONNA GET IT TOMORROW.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T WANT
SO THEY'LL SEND IT LATE AT THEIR OWN APPAREL.
THE RESIDENTS IS GONNA A DIFFERENT STORY.
THAT'S WHAT I, BUT USUALLY WITH THE RESIDENTS A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF IT'S A PROJECT WHERE WE HAVE INPUT, WE USUALLY DON'T VOTE RIGHT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA CONSIDER THE INPUT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
SO THE INPUT OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM RESIDENTS MAY BE AN ISSUE, BUT WE'LL FULLY CONSIDER THE INPUTS THAT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO BILL, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN AND HASN'T BEEN CLOSED YET, THAT SHOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO ANY DEADLINE BECAUSE THIS HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
NO, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT.
IF I DIDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY, I'M SORRY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
AND I, TO BE HONEST, MY CONCERN IS LESS WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SENDING AND THEN IF AN APPLICANT WANTS US TO ACTUALLY REVIEW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE APPLICATION MATERIALS TO BE COMING IN, IN TIME.
IT'S YOUR TURN TO MAKE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WELL THERE WAS NEVER A MOTION BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, SO THERE'S NO MOTION TO TABLE.
SO MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO ADJOURN.
SECOND BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.