[00:00:31]
WELL, I WONDER IF SHE MIGHT NOT NEED PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.
MAYBE SHE'S SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH ROGER.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS THEIR ROGER WOULD THERE BEFORE? THAT'S NOT PROBABLY.
I CAN CHECK THOUGH, BUT TYPICALLY, OKAY.
YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET RID OF THE, THE EXTRA ONE.
SO, SO WHAT IS THIS APPEARING ON FACEBOOK TOWNSHIP, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG? NO, IT'S JUST MINE.
SO I'M MY PHONE STILL COMPUTER THING.
OKAY, WELL LET'S, SO WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY WE MIGHT AS WELL GET STARTED.
SO FIRST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA IS BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER.
NOW WE DIDN'T GET ANY INFORMATION FOR THIS.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS, I FIGURED YOU DID WHEN, UM, HOLD ON.
SO WHAT I WAS THINKING, I'M TRYING TO, WHEN DO WE SOLVE THIS ONE? UM, WE WOULD JUST GET A, A SHORT, LIKE TWO OR THREE MINUTE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN KIND OF MOVE ON WITHOUT ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE SINCE WE DIDN'T SEE IT.
DID EV DID EVERYBODY ELSE GET INFORMATION ON THIS ONE? NO.
SO SINCE, SINCE MOST OF THE PLANNING BOARD HASN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, RATHER THAN TRYING TO UNPACK EVERYTHING AND ENDED UP MAKING IT SEVEN 15 AND STILL HAVE THREE ITEMS LEFT ON THE WORK SESSION, I FIGURED WE'LL JUST DO A BRIEF, UH, PRESENTATION AND THEN KIND OF MOVE ON.
FORWARD SIR? YEAH, COME FORWARD.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT TO LOOK, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS OUR DEALERSHIP HAS BEEN AT THE LOCATION SINCE 1971 AND WE ARE WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GROWING EVERY YEAR.
I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY ADDING ANOTHER BAY ONTO THE SIDE OF THE, OF THE DEALERSHIP.
THE ADDED BAY ON THE DRAWINGS IS WHERE THE ROAD GOES RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'RE COMING OFF THE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE, THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE DEALERSHIP OUT 25 FOOT WHERE MY EXISTING ROADWAY IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S BLACK HOPPED UNDERNEATH IT.
UM, PUTTING A A BAY THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS 130 FOOT LONG, A SOLID DOOR IN THE BACK, A SOLID DOOR IN THE FRONT SO WE CAN DRIVE OUR RVS IN AND OUT BASICALLY TO WORK ON THEM.
AND THEN ON THE OUTSIDE FIREWALL, JUST THREE MAN DOORS.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE, UH, IF I HAVE ENOUGH ROOM ON MY LOT LINE, UM, WHEN WE COME OUT 25 FOOT WITH THE BUILDING THAT LEAVES AND WE DO ANOTHER 25 FOOT OF DRIVEWAY OF ROADWAY ON THE SIDE, IT LEAVES ME WITH AN ADDITIONAL 16 FOOT TO MY LOT LINE.
[00:05:01]
OUR PROPERTY THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, BUT THAT GIVES US AN ADDITIONAL 16 FOOT OVER ON THE SIDE, BEYOND THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD ACTUALLY GO.SO ESSENTIALLY I'M, I'M TRYING TO BRING THE BUILDING OUT 25 FOOT BASICALLY A DRIVE IN, DRIVE OUT CONCRETE SLAB STEEL BUILDING.
SO THIS TIME OF YEAR WE CAN DO OUR WORK INSIDE AND UH, GET MY GUYS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE INCLEMENT WEATHER.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'RE DOING IS OUTSIDE.
I KNOW, UH, SUE KING PUT THE DRAWING DOWN FOR ME ON, UH, ON THE SURVEY HERE.
I'VE GOT THE PLANS FOR THE BUILDING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE, I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU WITH ALL THAT OR EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY AND IF YOU COULD EMAIL IT TO SARAH AS A P AND THEN SHE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE REST OF US.
DID YOU THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I SENT THE EMAIL OUT JUST LIKE LAST MONTH.
I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR THE EMAIL LAST WEEK AND I FORWARD, I I REMEMBER GETTING THE EMAIL WHERE YOU SAID YOU HADN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING LEFT YET AND YOU WERE GONNA ASK FOR IT.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING AN EMAIL AFTER THAT.
NO, I DON'T THINK SHE, I DON'T THINK IT
SARAH AND IN GENERAL DOES IT, IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENT? YES.
UM, BY THE WAY, PAM, OH, WHAT'S HER EMAIL ADDRESS? THERE'S CAMIE.
HOW DO I SPELL GERALD? J-A-R-R-E-L-L AT G GD COM.
YEAH, THIS IS LOOKING FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
THIS IS OUR BUILDING THAT ASKED BACK IN 2000.
WE GOT APPROVED FOR, CAME DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW.
I SENT HER ANOTHER INVITE HERE.
DO YOU WANNA COME BACK AT A REGULAR MEETING OR HAVE ANOTHER WORK DISCUSSION? TALK ABOUT IT MORE? I THINK, UM, WE, WE PROBABLY WANNA SEE SOME LANDSCAPING ON A PLAN HERE.
I WISH YOU HAD I WISH, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T THINK HE CAN PUT LANDSCAPING HIM BECAUSE HE'S REPLACING THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE BUILDING, SLIDING THE DRIVEWAY OVER HERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SEE, SO THE FRONT'S PA OKAY.
THE FRONT'S ALL PA THAT, THAT'S THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
PICTURE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND IT, I DO HAVE BUSHES IN FRONT OF THE DEALERSHIP.
IT'S MORE IN FRONT OF MY STORAGE, MY SERVICE AREA IN, UNFORTUNATELY.
DID YOU BRING THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS? I DID, YEAH.
IF, IF YOU HAVE, YOU'VE GOT, THOSE WILL COME OFF PRINTER, SO CAN SEND THOSE TO US.
SO WE'LL PUT THIS ON FOR NOVEMBER 4TH.
IS THAT GOOD? IT HAVE TO BE, YES SIR.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER FOR A REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
SECOND BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY I WAS ON MUTE.
ANY QUESTIONS BY ANY CHANCE WHILE I'M HERE? UH, IF YOU COULD JUST CIRCULATE THAT PICTURE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THIS.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A, WE'VE BEEN IN, THIS IS A LONG TIME AND WE DO A LOT OF TRUCK COVERS, TRUCK CAPS, THE SHELVES THAT GO ON THE BACK, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF ON THE SIDE OVER THERE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S NEVER REALLY LOOKED THAT NICE.
ALL THAT STUFF IS COMING OUT OF THERE FOR THE ROADWAY, WHICH IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA MAKE TOO MUCH OF A PINCH POINT.
AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE BETWEEN, UM, THE WALLEYE CLUB AND MYSELF, WE'VE GOT A NICE ROLL OF HEDGES THAT JUST GOES DOWN FROM 20 ALL THE WAY DOWN RIGHT DOWN TO OUR BACK.
SO YOU PUT THOSE OVER BY THE HEDGES AND EXACTLY.
OUTTA THE WAY MORE? WELL, THEY'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY, WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING AWAY FROM THAT END OF THE OKAY.
BUT YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO CIRCULATE THE PHOTOS AROUND TOO AS WELL.
AND AS I SAID IN MY MEMO, I BELIEVE THIS IS GONNA BE A TYPE TWO ACTION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SEEKER.
[00:10:01]
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT STRAIGHTFORWARD CYCLE APPROVAL.SO I'M GLAD YOU PUT IT ON A REGULAR ITEM BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, CALL A PUBLIC, YOU COULD CALL A PUBLIC HEARING OR WHATEVER IF YOU GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD EXCEPT FOR, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE RECONFIGURATIONS.
IT'S A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH YES.
ALRIGHT, SO MR. YES, THANK YOU.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS LUCIA'S REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 1 5 1 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
THE CAMERA OVER THERE IS THE ONE THAT'S ON FACEBOOK, SO YOU GOT ALL, WE'RE ALL OVER PLACE.
SO MY NAME IS JIM DAMEL, UM, ARCHITECT WORKING WITH LU TO DO THE ADDITION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO.
UM, IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE PROJECT ENTAILS? WE DID GET, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE
THERE'S A, UH, A 20 FOOT WIDE ADDITION GOING ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT'S GONNA GO OVER, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE SHORT PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
UH, IT'S ALL PAVEMENT THERE NOW IT'S ALL PARKING.
UH, HE HAS ACQUIRED MORE LAND IN THE BACK AND, UM, IT'S PICKED UP QUITE A BIT MORE PARKING.
UH, WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, WORKING WITH THE, THE TOWN ON PURCHASING 17 FEET WORTH OF THE A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON THE SALE, UH, ALONG WHERE IT'S ALL PAVED ALREADY AND CARS PARKED THERE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGITIMATE.
UM, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THAT.
UM, AND EVERYTHING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS PAVED.
UH, SO WE'RE, HE'S JUST DOING THIS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE DINING SPACE TO KEEP THIS BUSINESS AFLOAT.
UM, AND THIS WAS THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION WE COULD DO TO ACTUALLY LET IT BE A PRIVATE RULE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND THIS IS INSTEAD OF THE, THE DECK THAT YOU WERE GONNA PUT ON? YES, UH, WE DID, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS GO ON.
WE HAD A TEMPORARY DECK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE OF SEASON AND THEN HE WAS LOOKING AT GOING UP, BUT THAT WAS ALL OUTDOOR AND IT DOESN'T HELP HIM SUSTAIN WITH THE, UH, LESS FREQUENTLY SPACED TABLES RIGHT NOW OR MORE FREQUENTLY SPACED.
SO THE TEMPORARY DECK IS GONE? YES.
AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE? IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UM, AND THE ELEVATION, UH, KEEPS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO HE'S TRYING TO, HE ACQUIRED THIS BUILDING, HE'S TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP OVER TIME.
SO THERE'S SOME U UNIFORMITY TO THE BUILDING.
WE DID GO TO THE, UH, WATERFRONT COMMITTEE AND SHOWED THEM AND THEY WERE, UH, ACCEPTABLE WITH IT AS WELL.
NOW YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING SOME OF THE TOWNS RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE PEOPLE PARK THERE ANYWAY.
AND THIS PROJECT WOULD TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? UH, IT ACTUALLY, UH, HE HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH NOW THAT HE'S ACQUIRED THE PROPERTIES ITSELF.
SO THIS REALLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADD DINING SPACE BECAUSE TABLES ARE SPREAD OUT AS MUCH, UH, FOR THE MOMENT.
BUT THOSE PARKING SPACES, CORRECT.
BUT YOU GET, SO THESE WEREN'T ADDED BEFORE? NO.
HE, HE CAN, HE HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING NOW.
UH, THE FOUR SPOTS HE LOSES THERE, HE CAN ACCOMMODATE WITHIN ANYBODY ELSE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIVE, UH, PARKING SPACES RIGHT HERE?
THOSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN HERE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON TOP OF THOSE.
I BILL, I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE, UM, WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
IT WAS NICE THAT THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE PROJECT.
I DO NEED A WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORM TO PUT IN THE FILE.
FARM OF STATE HAS BEEN PART COMMUNITIES ON HAVING THEIR ASSESS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A RESTAURANT, IT'S A WATER, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
THERE WASN'T ANY FORM IN THE FILE WHEN IT WENT IN FRONT OF AS
THEY SHOULD HAVE THE FORM BECAUSE THEY NEED A FORM STATE AUDIT.
ABOUT A HALF DOZEN COMMUNITIES IN THE, THAT ARE TROUBLE PRODUCING WA OKAY.
ANYTHING, I GUESS NO, NO COMMENTS HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT PEOPLE'S ABILITY, IT LOOKS LIKE, TO GET IN AND OUT OF THOSE OTHER SPOTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE DISTANCE IS MARKED ON THE PLAN.
SO NAVIGATION AND, AND CIRCUITING AROUND THE BUILDING.
THE, AND VISIBILITY SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
[00:15:01]
THAT ACTUALLY IMPROVES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAD KIND OF A, A TUCKED AWAY PARKING SPOT THERE.SO WE'RE GONNA GET IT FURTHER PROTECTED RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE'LL PUT THIS ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE LUCIA'S AT OUR REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
DO YOU WANNA PUBLIC HEARING BILL ROLL? HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
SO, SO DREW RILEY SUGGESTED THAT WE SCHEDULE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT AWAY.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR THAT? YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? LET'S START AL ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT WITH A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FOURTH? NO.
ANYBODY ELSE OKAY WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS IS TYPE TWO, RIGHT DREW? SO IT'S TYPE TWO AND WE HAVE COMPLETE APPLICATION.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WE GOT, YOU GUYS GOT THE DRAWING AHEAD OF TIME.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WAY WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I WOULD DRAW THAT PRIOR MOTION AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
YOU WANNA TRY AND PUT THAT IN HERE? HOW I DO THAT? I MUST HAVE TYPED IT WRONG LAST TIME I DID IT.
SOMETHING WEIRD IS HAPPENING FOLLOWING PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S THE ADDRESS I SENT IT TO, IF THAT ONE'S WRONG.
YEAH, WE GOT, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL JUST SEND YOU, I'LL TELL HER.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RACE SHEDS.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO OPERATE A STORAGE SHED MANUFACTURING BUSINESS AT 4 3 0 7 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
HI, I'M, UH, RON REESE FROM RE STORAGE SHED.
AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S FUNNY LITTLE HISTORY.
ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO WE WANTED TO BUY THIS BUILDING AT 43 0 7, UH, SOUTH PARK AVENUE, BUT MR. DONNER BOUGHT IT FOR HIS PRINTING BUSINESS.
AND, UH, FOUR YEARS GO BY AND, UH, HE LOSES HIS CONTRACT SO IT GOES UP FOR SALE AGAIN.
SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN.
WE MADE HIM AN OFFER, HE ACCEPTED, AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS, UM, WE WANNA BUILD OUR SHEDS INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
WE DON'T SELL THE SHEDS THERE, WE JUST WANNA BUILD THEM THERE.
UH, WE PRE-BUILD THEM, WE BUILD WALLS, WE STACK 'EM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, STORE 'EM IN THEIR BUILDING, THEN WE LOAD 'EM ON TRAILERS.
I DRIVE 'EM TO THE CUSTOMER'S HOUSE AND PUT 'EM TOGETHER.
WE DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE BUILDING.
WE LOVE THE LOOK OF THAT BUILDING AT LAKE.
IT'S LIKE A HISTORICAL BUILDING THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT AMBER.
IT'S KIND OF AN OVER THE BUILDING, KIND LIKE OUR UPSCALE SHED, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL ROOM THERE THAT WE REALLY, UH, DON'T NEED PRESENTLY, BUT IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE BUSINESS FOR MORE SALES, WE HAVE IT THERE.
WE WON'T HAVE TO ADD AN ADDITION ON.
THERE'S ANOTHER BILLING OF 30 0 30 BY 30 BUILDING ON THE SOUTH END OF THE BUILDING THAT WE CAN STORE OUR MATERIALS THERE.
UH, WE GET MATERIALS THAT ARE DELIVERED LATE MORNING, EARLY AFTERNOON.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WORKS AT THE WAREHOUSE.
THEY, THEY WILL BRING THE MATERIALS INSIDE THE BUILDING OR INSIDE OUR STORAGE BUILDING NEXT TO IT.
SO NOTHING WILL BE LAID OUTSIDE.
UH, NO CHANGES TO EACH BUILDING.
UM, OUR GARBAGE, WE DON'T USE DUMPSTERS.
WE HAVE DUMP TRAILERS THAT WE PARK INSIDE THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN WE HAVE TWO BY FOUR CUTS OR PLYWOOD THAT WE DON'T USE, WE THROW IN OUR DUMPSTERS.
WHEN THE DUMPSTER FILLS UP INSIDE THE BUILDING, WE TAKE IT TO THE DUMPS.
WE JUST USE GUNS THAT ARE, UM, FROM, UH, AIR COMPRESSORS.
AND THEY REALLY, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HEAR ANYTHING INSIDE.
THE BILLIONAIRES BILLING IS COM UH, BUILT TWO CONCRETE WALLS WITHIN EACH OTHER.
THE SOUND WOULDN'T EVEN CARRY OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE BOARD IS AFRAID OF EXCESS NOISE OR WE ONLY WORK FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
WE DON'T WORK WEEKENDS, WE DON'T WORK HOLIDAYS.
WE ONLY WORK FROM SEVEN TO THREE.
[00:20:01]
NOTHING AFTER THAT.WE USUALLY, UH, PRE-BUILD THE SHEDS INSIDE THE WAREHOUSE AND THEN WE LOAD 'EM UP.
IT ONLY TAKES ME FOUR TO FIVE HOURS TO BUILD SOME OF OUR SHEDS.
AND THEN AT THE CUSTOMER'S HOUSE, THEN WE COME BACK WITH OUR EMPTY TRAILERS AND THROW THE GARBAGE OUT IN OUR DUMPSTER.
A LOT OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND HAMMERS, WATER SHEDS.
IN FACT, I'M BUILDING ONE TOMORROW.
THIS, UH, $23,000 SHED, IT ISN'T LIKE AN AMISH SHED, IT ISN'T LIKE A, A HOME DEPOT TYPE SHED.
THESE ARE BUILT, WE BUILT THE CUSTOMER'S IDEAS.
THAT'S EACH ONE IS INDIVIDUALLY BUILT, SO WE DON'T BUILD 'EM ON THE, UH, PARKING LOT AND TRY TO SELL THE SHEDS.
WE GO TO THE HOUSE WHEN PEOPLE NEED A SHED FROM US, THEY CALL US.
MY SON GOES OUT AND SELLS THEM.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SHEDS ON DISPLAY IN WEST SENE AND ORCHARD PARK WHERE THEY CAN LOOK AT 'EM THERE.
WE DON'T PLAN TO PUT 'EM ON THE PARKING LOT THERE.
SO ALL WE WANT THIS A BUILDING FOR IS TO MANUFACTURE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGE TO THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE LOVE TO LOOK AT THAT BUILDING.
IT JUST KIND DRAWS YOU TO IT, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, HE RECEIVED A ABUSE FOR THE ZONING BOARD IN OCTOBER.
AND THEY DID ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT THAT TIME.
SO DO YOU PLAN TO PUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE A NEW SIGN? ANYTHING OR? WELL, WE PROBABLY PUT A SIGN ON THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE.
THE BUILDING BUILDING, WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANNA PUT IT ON THE SITE.
YEAH, YOU NEED TO SHOW IT ON THE SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE BUILDING, YOU DEAL WITH THE BUILDING.
SO NO OTHER OUTSIDE CHANGES? YOU'RE MAKING NOTHING.
I WANNA KEEP THAT BUILDING THE WAY IT IS.
I'M JUST ASKING BUILDING BECAUSE THE, THE SURVEY IS REPRESENTING THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THE SITE, RIGHT? NOTHING.
WE, UH, THE INVOICE WE JUST PARKED NEXT TO THE BUILDING AND OUR, WE HAVE A FEW TRAILERS THAT ARE PARK OUTSIDE NEXT TO THAT THREE BY THREE BUILDING IN THE BACK.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO DUMP TRAILERS AND UH, OUR TRAILERS THAT WE LOAD OUR SHEDS DOWN WHEN WE DELIVER, THEY'LL BE PARKED IN THE BACK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE CAMERAS UP THERE, SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND ON THE BUILDING, UM, THE CONDITION WE MAY PUT ON IS THAT THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE OR DISPLAYS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THAT.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM BEING STOLEN, NUMBER ONE.
AND WE DON'T WANT 'EM IN THE WEATHER, THE, UH, THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO, AND THAT, THAT BUILDING HAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO STORE EVERYTHING.
WE NEED BOTH BUILDINGS THAT BE HAD 'EM ALL UP.
DID THEY PUT ANY CONDITIONS ON THE EXPERIENCE OR JUST, NO.
IF YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU COULD SET A PUBLIC HEARING, REALLY.
I MEAN, JUST TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS.
IT'S MOSTLY PAVEMENT AND BUILDING, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE.
IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FOURTH
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON RACE SHEDS FOR NOVEMBER 4TH.
BILL, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY KNOW WHERE IS HE'S ON HIS WAY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MIKE SCHULTZ REQUESTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO OPERATE A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, 55 0 5 IS THE OLD MINI GOLF COURSE.
IT'S BEEN CLOSED DOWN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, I PUT A BID IN ON IT, IT WAS ACCEPTED.
I JUST HAD TO GET, UM, APPROVAL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
ALL I WANNA DO IS OBVIOUSLY CLEAN UP THE AREA, THE MINI GOLF COURSE AREA WILL BE TAKEN OUT.
THERE'S TWO STORAGE BUILDINGS.
I'M JUST GONNA COMPLETELY ENCLOSE IT WITH A EIGHT FOOT TALL SOLID FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IT'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN LIKE 150 FEET OUT FROM THE VERY BACK OF THAT'S A, THAT'S SO THE BIG CHANGE, THE, THE ADDITIVE FENCE.
THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SURE.
WAS ON THE ONE THERE IS POSSIBLY DOWN THE ROAD AT SOME POINT I MAY PUT A BUILDING UP TO STORAGE MY VEHICLES, MY, MY TRUCKS.
[00:25:01]
ACTUALLY RIGHT IN HERE.I HATE IT ON THE ONE, UH, SITE PLAN AT SOME POINT.
I'M NOT PLANNING ON IT NOW, BUT IF THAT EVER COMES TO, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE BACK HERE.
ON HIS FIRST DRAWING IS SUBMITTED.
IT SHOWED THIS FUTURE BUILDING WE'RE NOT APPROVING APPROVED BUILDING, SO IT CAN'T BE SHOWN OVERDRAWN.
IF WE DID APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD'VE TO BE BUILT WITHIN HOW MANY YEARS.
IT'D HAVE TO BE, HE'D HAVE TO PULL A BILLING PERMIT WITHIN A YEAR.
AND THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A YEAR PLUS.
I HAVE TO DO DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, SO ALL THIS IS ABOUT IS YOU HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO BECAUSE OF THE, THE, SO THERE'S A FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE GENERAL CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL DEPARTMENT, THEN THERE'S ONLY TWO SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR TOWING.
ONE OF 'EM JUST THAT THERE'S YEARLY INSPECTIONS AND THEN HE IS SHOWING A FENCED IN AREA TO PUT THE CARS IN.
SO WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS BEFORE.
GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING CHANGING OTHER THAN PUTTING THE FENCE IN.
AND IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY WANT TO SEE.
SO YOU SAID AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID FENCE THAT THE WOOD FENCE, IT'S GONNA BE SHEET METAL.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE PULSE IN THE GROUND.
PRESSURE TREATED TWO BY FOUR IS THE BACKSIDE AND SHEET METAL SCREW INTO IT LIKE ROOFING SHEET METAL.
CAN YOU GET US LIKE SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S INSTALLED? YEAH.
AND THAT SHEET METAL NOT SHINY OR, I MEAN, IT'S SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, MAD AT FINISH.
I'M NOT GONNA BE WORRIED ABOUT GLARE OR ANYTHING, RIGHT? NO, NOT AT ALL.
IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA BE WHITE AND IT WON'T HAVE A, IT'LL BE A MATT FINISH.
AND THAT'S, IT IS GONNA BE WAY TOWARD THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE NOW.
UM, THE FARTHEST BUILDING BACK, IT'LL BE 60 FEET OFF THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
UH, YOU DON'T PUT BARBED WIRE ON THOSE FENCES? NO.
I BELIEVE BARBED WIRE ISN'T EVEN LEGAL IN NEW YORK CITY.
AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG UNLESS YOU GET A SPECIAL RAZOR WIRE AND YOU HAVE AN EXISTING PERMIT NOW.
SO CARS, SO YOU'RE JUST GETTING THIS RIGHT? I I ACTUALLY, ANY OTHER QUESTION? TALK TO THE HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT STATE POLICE.
ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD ASK STRAIGHTFORWARD? WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN FOR MARK SCHULTZ, UH, TOWING BUSINESS MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
UM, SO THAT'S FOUR ITEMS IN HALF AN HOUR.
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, HUH? WE'VE GOT THREE MINUTES BEFORE THE YEAH.
SO I KNOW YOU SECONDED, BUT YOU'VE BEEN SECONDING ALL.
I KNOW YOU SECONDED FASTER, BUT YOU'VE BEEN ALL MADE IT.
ALRIGHT, SO YEAH, WE CAN, UM, WHY DON'T YOU TYPE IN THE EMAIL ADDRESS? 'CAUSE I MUST NOT HAVE DONE IT.
I'LL, I'LL BRING THE THING UP AND YOU CAN TYPE IT IN.
BILL, CAN I JUST FORWARD YOU THE INVITE THAT YOU SENT ME TO CAMMY? UM, YOU CAN TRY THAT AND SEE IF THAT WORKS.
I JUST KIND OF PRESS BUTTONS AND SOMETIMES STUFF HAPPENS AND USUALLY IT DOESN'T.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO I CHANGE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
[00:30:19]
EXIT OUT.SO THE SQUARE'S NOT YEAH, THAT MUST WORKED THERE.
SHE'S, OH, I GOT THE ONE FROM CALIN.
YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'LL GET ANOTHER ONE TOO.
WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 21ST MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
LET PLEASE RISE TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES MATTER, AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR NATION UNDER IN
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR A REGULAR MEETING IS BROADWAY GROUP, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY REALLY DOESN'T LIKE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY, I, I SENT, UH, GOOGLE DRAFT TO OF A LETTER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING TO EVERYONE.
I, I SHARED ON THE, ON MY GOOGLE DOCS ACCOUNT, UH, A LETTER THAT WE SEND TO, UH, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ABOUT THE CURB CUT.
SO I DON'T EXPECT US TO TALK ABOUT THAT LETTER TODAY, BUT IF, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY EDITS AND CHANGES THEY WANNA MAKE, PLEASE FEEL FREE SO WE CAN GET THAT OUT AND SENT TO THEM.
UH, ANOTHER THING, DID EVERYONE GET THE NEWEST RENDERINGS FROM THE APPLICANT? UH, A BUILDING DESIGN? YES.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE? OKAY.
ON THE VISUAL ONE, UM, THE RENDERING THAT WAS SENT OUT, YES, I'M LOOKING AT THE RENDERING THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, AND THEN THE SIMILAR THE BUSINESSES, UM, WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT ONE.
AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THIS DOLLAR GENERAL HAS ANY WINDOWS ON IT.
UM, AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE SORORITY BUSINESSES ALL HAVE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF WINDOWS IN KEEPING THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I, UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE FROM ALABAMA.
FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL.
AND OF COURSE, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ACCOMMODATING ME, UM, BY LETTING ME ATTEND REMOTE PT MEETINGS.
UM, THE RIGORING THAT I SENT IN THE LAST, UM, THE LAST RESPONSE LETTER IS JUST, UH, JUST ANOTHER STAT.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS, UM, A CONSENSUS OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE, UM, AND WHAT THE BOARD WOULD INTERPRET AS BEING, UM, IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT AT THE LAST MEETING.
OF COURSE, WE DID HAVE SOME VERY OPINIONS.
SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE COLOR WALKING LOOKED NICE.
UM, I THINK IN GENERAL EVERYBODY LIKED THE AWNINGS.
UM, SO THIS, THE, THE RENDERING THAT I SENT YOU IS NOT NECESSARILY EXACTLY WHAT I'M PROPOSING FOR THIS LOCATION.
I KNOW THAT THE, THE WINDOWS, UM, ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, LOOKING FOR.
AND WE DID HAVE IT IN OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I'M, I'M GETTING TO THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL LOOK THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE ASKING FOR.
SO THIS ONE KIND OF HAS A DIFFERENT LABEL ON THE FRONT.
IT'S GOT SOME DIFFERENT, UM, DETAILS THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY LOOK MORE RESIDENTIAL WHILE ALSO KEEPING THAT RULE CHARACTER THAT I KNOW THE, THE LENGTHY DISTRICT, UM, IS, IS REALLY WANTING TO HOLD ONTO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY VALUE IN THE LENGTHY AREA.
SO, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF INTERPRET AS BEING RESIDENTIAL AND RURAL AND, UM, STORE THAT WE BUILT.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST IN MY
AND SO, UM, WE CAN, INSTEAD OF DOING THE,
[00:35:01]
THE SHUTTER LOOK AT WHICH THIS STORE HAD, WE COULD GO BACK AND DO THE, UM, LIKE THE GLAZED WINDOWS, UM, INSTEAD THAT'S DEFINITELY POSSIBLE.AND I KNOW ON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, I HAD ALSO PROPOSED TO DO SOME MORE UPGRADES ON THE, UM, THE LEFT SIDE.
THAT SPACING HELPS AND WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
I CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE THOSE SIMPLER, MAYBE SOME SIMILAR UPGRADES OVER THERE.
MAYBE EXTEND THE COLOR BLOCKING, UM, MAYBE ADD THE PAPER OR SOMETHING ON THAT WALL, JUST KIND OF SEE IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE COLORS THAT YOU LIKE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME DIFFERENCE ON THAT.
UM, AND IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL LOOK, OKAY, BUT THOSE WINDOWS AREN'T ACTUALLY FUNCTIONING WINDOWS.
THEY'RE JUST FAKE WINDOWS, RIGHT.
LIKE THERE'S NO, YEAH, ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE, ACTUAL FUNCTIONING WINDOWS WHERE YOU CAN LIKE SEE THE LIGHT.
IT'S THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS IS GONNA SEE OUT AND IT JUST MAKES IT MORE THE CHARACTER.
IT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME DRAWBACKS TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A CLEAR VIEW OF THE WINDOW ALL THAT YOUR, UM, FOLKS DRIVING BY OR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GONNA SEE ARE SHELVING, SHELVING IN STOCK.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FOUND THAT GENERALLY PREFER IF WE GET THE APPEARANCE OF THE WINDOW, IT IS ACTUALLY A WINDOW.
IT'S ACTUALLY A PAINT GLASS WINDOW, BUT WE PAINT THE INSIDE OF IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ANY INSIGHT OF THE, THE STORAGE OF ON THE SHELVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, I HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S A REAL WINDOW THAT IF IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE A DIFFERENT BUSINESS WENT IN THERE AND WANTED WINDOWS, THEY JUST WOULD'VE TO TAKE OFF THE PAINT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO THE SIDE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT.
THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE PAINT AND, UM, WE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE, MAKE, PUT OUT THE SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE OTHERWISE A GLASS PAINT WINDOW.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING IF, DO WE THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO SOMETHING WITH THE RURAL CHARACTER OR NOT? I THINK THAT THE INITIAL CONCERN IS STILL FUNDAMENTALLY THE CONCERN.
IS IT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BOX WITH SOME EXTRA STUFF ON THE FRONT.
SO I, I AGREE THAT PREFERABLY REAL WINDOWS, I GUESS I PERSONAL PREFERENCE DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE THAT THE OTHER BUSINESS HAVE WINDOWS AT A MINIMUM OF THE FLOW BLOCKED OUT WINDOWS, BUT IT'S STILL VERY MUCH A, A A BOX.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE LAYOUTS VERY MUCH JUST KIND OF LIKE A YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF BOTH PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I MEAN, NO, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR ME, CAITLIN, IS IT DOESN'T KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER AT LEAST OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE NEARBY.
THEY HAVE THE WINDOWS, THEY HAVE, UM, UM, APPEARANCE OF NOT BEING A STRAIGHT BOX.
IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE KEEPING CHARACTER, THE COMMUNITY MORE.
I DON'T, THERE'S IN THAT AREA.
TARA, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING THAT THE BROADWAY HAD AGREED PUT IN? I AM FAMILIAR.
WAS THAT A YES, YOU KIND CUT OFF.
I, I, AND I WANNA MAKE CLEAR TO THE PLANNING BOARD THOUGH, AND, AND THIS IS COMING FROM KNOW MY, MY BOSS THAT A A, A PEAKED ROOF, BUT TRUE ROOF ON THE STORE WOULD BE A DEAL BREAKER.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE JUST CAN'T DO.
AND A TRUE
SO I'M TRYING TO WORK AS CLOSELY AS I CAN WITH YOU TO, TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING THAT IS UM, SIMILAR.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER, AND I, I DON'T WANNA HOLD YOU TO THIS NECESSARILY, BUT KIND OF, AND THAT IS ONE, WHEN I ASKED FOR SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK, YOU SENT ME THAT OLD RITEAID STORE AND THAT OLD RITEAID STORE DID NOT HAVE A PEAK ROOF.
IT BASICALLY HAD A SQUARE, REMEMBER? AND IT HAD SOME PINK, YOU KNOW, DETAILS ON THE SIDES THAT GAVE ME APPEARANCE OF A MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALE.
AND UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, YOU KNOW, SO I FEEL LIKE, UM, I'M KIND OF GETTING A MOVING CHARGE FROM THE BOARD
[00:40:01]
AS WE WELL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER THAT SENT THE WRITING AID STORY.I KNOW THAT THE REST OF US LOOKED AT THAT BEFORE IT WAS SENT.
WELL, RIGHT, AND I BROUGHT THAT UP AS SAYING THAT THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES OUT THERE.
I DON'T THINK EVEN I AM MARRIED TO THAT IDEA.
IT WAS ONE EXAMPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS AND COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD MOVE US OR ME TO THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STYLE CORNER STORE REPRESENTATION OR SO HERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S DEAL VARIATION FROM WHAT WE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO TRUE PEAK ROOF IS A DEAL BREAKER.
WHAT ABOUT A, A PARTIALLY PEAK ROOF SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WITH TIM HORTON'S ACROSS THE STREET WHERE FROM THE GROUND YOU SEE THE PEAK, NOT THE FLAT PART, BUT IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S STILL FLAT.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED OR NOT? I COULD DEF LET ME TAKE THAT BACK TO MY BOSS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN HIM FOR MORE.
I, I KNOW THE, AND I'LL TRY TO PUSH THAT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FIT.
UM, JUST ADD A LITTLE WHY WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE FOCUSING SO HARD ON THE RURAL CHARACTER AND PRESERVATION BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY LOOKING AT THE PLAN, AND CAMMY KNOWS THIS TOO, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE EVERY TREE FROM THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE WILL NOT BE A TREE LEFT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU'RE GONNA SET UP A SQUARE BUILDING WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, BLANK SIDES ON IT, WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER THAT AIR TREMENDOUSLY.
NOT WITH, BUT, BUT, AND I UNDERSTAND BY PUTTING THIS SIDE BUILDING ON THE PARKING LOT, THE DETENTION BASIN IN THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A TREE ON THIS SITE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GOING ALONG WITH THE QUESTION I HAD THE LAST MEETING IS, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO RETAIN SOME OF THE VEGETATION ON THE SITE? AND I KNOW THAT PART OF THAT IS TYPED BACK YOUR DT METRICS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I STRUGGLE WITH.
IF THERE WAS MORE LANDSCAPE, IF WE WERE LIVING A PERIPHERAL
BUT YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN SHOWS WE'RE GONNA CLEAR CUT AN ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE PROCESS TO, AND IT'LL BE FLAT AND FULLY EXPOSED.
I'M JUST SCROLLING TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT MY LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGAIN.
UM, WE, WE DEFINITELY AREN'T JUST TRYING TO PURELY CLEAR CUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLEAR CUTTING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS THERE IN TERMS OF HAVING BUILDING THAT HAS VISIBILITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I KNOW THAT THE FUNDING BOARD HAS TOLD ME BEFORE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THE TIP COURTS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY YOU IF YOU HAD BEEN SITTING BOARD AT THAT TIME.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY TONS OF TREES ON SIDEWALK AND THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PROPOSED THE SITE.
BUT I DO WANNA REASSURE THE BOARD THAT IN THE AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN THOSE MATURE TREES WE HAVE RETAINED.
AND SO THEY, THEY'RE THERE NOW.
THEY'RE NOT ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
I I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO ARC THAT POINT, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE 97 PLANTS, 97 PLANTS ON THIS SIDE PLANT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHRUBS AND THE, THE SMALL AND THE, THE LARGER TREES.
SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE NECESSARILY TRIED TO SORT CHANGE THE TOWN AT ALL.
UM, THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU ON.
UM, WE CAN MAYBE ADD SOME, SOME MORE LANDSCAPING TO THE MIX.
UM, HAVING A CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW THE SITE IS GONNA BE LAID OUT.
WE'LL HELP DETERMINE SOME OF THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE OFTEN BE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME LIMITATIONS.
THIS, THIS IS A COMMERCIALLY OWNED SITE, IT'S COMMERCIALLY ZONE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, OUR DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
UM, AND AS THE DEVELOPER AND WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNERS AND ONCE WE OWN THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SOMETHING DO A DIS ENVIRONMENTAL DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE TRYING TO RESTORE SOME OF THE PLANTINGS, AS I SAID, 97 NEW PLANTS IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE CLUSTERS OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, UM, AND STILL PROVIDE THE THINGS LIKE THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS GONNA BE REQUIRED AND HELPS REDUCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STORM WATER, UM, AND EROSION CONSUMPTION, THE EXISTING SITE.
[00:45:01]
IN ALL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GONNA BE MORE MANICUR TOO, YOU KNOW.BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS LIKE A, A MORE MANAGER LOOK TO LANDSCAPING AND I THINK IT'LL LOOK NICE, UM, AND WILL BE A, A VERY NICE REFLECTION ON COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT AND WHAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IS, IS WE ARE TRYING TO STRIKE THE BALANCE WITH YOU OF THE CHALLENGE BETWEEN HAVING YOUR SITE BE VERY VISIBLE, WHICH YOU'VE INDICATED IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WHICH IS RURAL AND HIGHLY MANICURED AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WITH NO, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THESE MATURE VEGETATION, THE FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BOTH HAVE A HIGHLY VISIBLE SITE AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO GET CERTAIN THINGS ON THE AESTHETICS.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST GONNA A WELL MAINTAINED, HIGHLY MANICURED LOOK, THAT'S A CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER IN MY MIND TO, TO A MORE SUBURBAN LOOK.
AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPROPRIATELY BALANCING THIS.
AND THE, AND BY THE WAY, THE ALTERNATIVE WE HAVE, AND IT'S ALTERNATIVE, WE, WE MAY HAVE TO DO ON THIS ONE IS THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECT AND DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND, AND ASK FOR SPECIFIC, UH, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, ALTERNATIVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT MITIGATIONS AS IT IS JUST YOU'RE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH REQUIRES US TO DO A STRONGER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, CONSIDER CHARACTER, CONSIDER SAVING OF TREES, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN TIM HORTONS ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WASN'T POPULAR EITHER, BUT AT LEAST IT WAS A DEVELOPED SITE.
IT ALREADY, IT HAD A POST OFFICE ON IN THE PAST, IT HAD BUILDINGS ON IT.
THEY DIDN'T CUT DOWN ONE TREE RESIDENTIAL ALL AROUND IT.
IT, IT'S JUST A TOUGH SITE AND IT'S A BIG BUILDING THAT NEEDS SEPTIC SYSTEM, LARGE DETENTION BASIN, LARGE PARKING AREAS, JUST
UM, ONE OF 'EM I, I BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST, BUT THE OTHER, BUT THE OTHER ONE THAT I'LL START WITH I HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP ON THE PROJECT BEFORE.
SO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY REPRESENTATIVE THAT CAME TO OUR LAST MEETING TALKED ABOUT HOW, HOW HELPS COMES IN AND KNOT ANGLE AND IT'S A LOWER ELEVATION AND THAT MAKES IT A, A DIFFICULT INTERSECTION.
UM, ANOTHER PROJECT WE HAD ON THAT WEEK WAS PHASE THREE OF THE COOPER RIDGE, UH, SUBDIVISION.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM WITH THE INTERSECTION AT ROGERS.
AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER DID WAS THEY REDID THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT COME IN AT A RIGHT ANGLE AND THE SAME ELEVATION, WHICH REALLY MADE THAT INTERSECTION A LOT SAFER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH SOME BUILDINGS LOOKING AT THE, THE SATELLITE IMAGE.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS WAS A RIGHT TURN LANE.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD FIT ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THE CONFIGURATION OF THE, OF THE STREET TO MAKE THAT SAFER.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I REMEMBERED, I I KNOW I BROUGHT IT UP A FEW MEETINGS AGO.
UH, THE BIG NEIGHBORHOOD IS ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN AND A QUESTION THAT I RAISED WAS, HOW ARE THE KIDS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANT TO GO TO THE STORE TO BUY CANDY AND TOYS AND THINGS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN? 'CAUSE THERE'S NO CROSSWALKS GOING NEARBY OR, OR LIGHTS.
UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF ANY PLANS ON HOW TO, TO GET THAT, UH, OR HOW TO MAKE THAT SAFER? YES.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
UM, LET ME BACK UP THE, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE, YOU KNOW, DOING MAYBE AN INTERSECTION REVISION OR, UM, TURN LANE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE TO LET THE PLANNING BOARD KNOW THAT THE VOLUME OF OUR STORE DOESN'T WARRANT ANY OF THOSE KIND OF LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENTS AND YOU REALLY DON'T REACH THAT POINT UNLESS YOU'RE HAVING LIKE A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR THING IS THE STANDARD.
AND SO, UM, THOSE KIND OF, UM, LARGE PROJECTS, UH, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, IF IT'S AN EXISTING, IT'S AN EXISTING CONCERN, AN EXISTING CONCERN, EVEN WITHOUT MAYBE THE SITE BEING DEVELOPED, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT DOT WOULD WOULD RECOMMEND OR FIND WARRANTED FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, I DID SPEAK WITH, UM, TWO PEOPLE AT DOT REGARDING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING WOULD WOULD IN THEIR ROADWAY AND UM, I JUST, THEY ADVISED ME THAT THEY
[00:50:01]
WOULD NOT PREFER TO HAVE ANY SORT OF PEDESTRIAN, UM, ACCESS LIKE CROSSWALK OR ANYTHING ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN.THEY DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY EN ENCOURAGE THAT.
UM, THEY SAID THAT THE SHELTERS WERE WIDE ENOUGH THAT IF THERE WERE PEDESTRIANS WALK ALONG THE HIGHWAY THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE THAT.
UM, THEY DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANT ANY KIND OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE IN WITHOUT HAVING AN INTERSECTION.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS, SO I THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT JUST SIDEWALKS? AND DOT SAID THAT IT IS NOT THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO ACT SIDEWALKS, UM, UNLESS THERE'S EXISTING SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT TO.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THERE ARE NO OTHER SIDEWALKS.
AND SO IT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
IT WOULDN'T FALL INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND.
NOW, UM, ONE OF THE, UM, THE, THE DOT CONTACT THAT I TALKED TO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY IN CHARGE OF LIKE, UM, LARGER, UM, PROJECTS WITH DOT MAYBE ON A, HE WORKS IN A REGIONAL BASIS, SO HE WORKS WITHIN, UM, YOUR REGION, BUT HE HAS KIND OF A STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE AND HE WAS SAYING THAT THE, UH, DOP DOES HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE, YOU APPLY FOR THEM, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A GRANT.
AND SO THE, THE TOWNSHIP COULD APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS TO TRY TO GET A, UM, A PROJECT UNDERWAY MAYBE FOR, UM, HAVING MORE SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ALONG THE
AND SO I DID DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.
I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I, I TOOK IT SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I DID SOME HOMEWORK ON IT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION.
AND CERTAINLY ALL OF US CAN THINK OF GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, BUT EVEN UNDER, UM, I GUESS SEEKER REVIEW AND WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, UM, IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS THERE A REASONABLE SOLUTION? AND SO SOME OF THE, I THOUGHT OF AND DISCUSSED WITH DOT, LIKE THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT'S REASONABLE.
AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, NO, THAT'S REALLY NOT A DIRECTION THEY GO.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABLE TO LEARN AND UM, WAS GLAD TO SHARE IT WITH YOU THAT ON, I DON'T, JUST DON'T THINK ON THIS PARTICULAR ROADWAY NICE.
THAT WOULD, WOULD BE RECOMMENDING OR SUPPORTING, UM, ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.
HOW FAR IS THIS INTERSECTION? FROM THE INTERSECTION WITH, UH, LAKEVIEW? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER QUARTER MILE.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LIGHT AT LAKEVIEW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WOULD BE THE CLOSEST, THE CLOSEST INTERSECTION WITH A LIGHT TO CROSS WOULD BE.
BUT YOU HAVE CARS CALLED NOT DEVELOPMENT UP THERE TOO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE STREET.
KARA, WHO IS THIS CONTACTED DOT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH, JUST SO CLARIFICATION AND IF WE EVER WANNA THESE THINGS, YOU CAN HAVE A SEVEN OFF POINT.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO PULL UP MY NOTES BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT I I GOT THEM RIGHT HERE.
SO LET, EDWARDS WAS ONE OF THEM.
I'VE BEEN STAYING IN CONTACT WITH HIM JUST ABOUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IN GENERAL AND HE WORKS IN COORDINATION WITH THE, THE TOWNSHIP AND MUNICIPALITIES ABOUT DMT ISSUES, ONE OF THEM.
AND THEN, UM, FIND THIS OTHER CONTACTS NAME.
HAS ANYONE FROM, UH, TRIED TO, UH, SIT DOWN AND, UH, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR THERE OR THE, THE PERSON RIGHT NEXT DOOR? YEAH.
UM, SHE'S, SHE'S COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND WE'VE, I'M RIGHT HERE, TALKED TO HER ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND UM, HAS THE APPLICANT.
SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED TO HER? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAS THE APPLICANT TALKED TO YOU AT ALL? NO.
NOT NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRIVEWAY.
LEMME JUST GIVE THIS NAME TO MEGAN.
UM, HIS, HIS NAME IS CHRIS CHURCH.
I, I BASICALLY FOUND TO HIM JUST BY GOING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE WEBSITE AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY HAD A SECTION ABOUT DISTRICT, UM, PROJECTS AND SO THAT'S WHO I REACHED OUT TO FOR THE REGION.
WOULD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM YOUR FIRM BE WILLING TO SIT WITH THE NEIGHBORS? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU.
WILL A REPRESENTATIVE FROM YOUR FIRM BE WILLING TO SIT WITH THE NEIGHBORS? THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE
[00:55:01]
NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROJECT? UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.UM, YOU ALL HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND IF, IF LIKE TO REACH OUT TO ME, I'D BE GLAD TO SPEAK WITH THEM.
SO WE, THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO IS WE CAN, WE CAN SHARE THE, THE CONTACT INFORMATION INFORMATION, UM, YEAH, WITH THE, WITH THE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS AND EVERYTHING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO TRY AND SET UP AN IN-PERSON MEETING SESSION WHERE EVERYBODY GOES AND TALKS ABOUT THINGS, MAYBE SETTING UP A ZOOM MEETING THERE.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE, WE WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO, UM, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE WILL GET ALL THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC OFFICIALLY AND WE ARE GETTING EMAILS AND LETTERS FROM PEOPLE NOW.
SO THIS AGAIN, WOULD NOT BE THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC MEETING.
THIS WOULD JUST BE AN EXTRA, AN EXTRA OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK OUT ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DECORUM FOR THAT DISCUSSION, UM, A DECORUM A CONTROL OF THAT DISCUSSION.
YEAH, THAT'S BOARD HAVING TO BE PART OF THAT.
THE, THE PLANNING BOARD USUALLY DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN THOSE.
UH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS AS FAR AS YEAH.
KEEPING THEM CIVIL OR FROM TURNING INTO SHOUTING MATCHES.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD JUST WANT IT TO BE PRODUCTIVE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I COULD DEFINITELY JUST ASK FOR THAT.
UM, ASK FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATIONS THAT DEFINITELY WANNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT AND, UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL GIVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
WE WON'T BE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER AND WE'LL BE PRODUCTIVE AND, UM, PRODUCTIVE AND GOOD TEAM.
I I THINK TO START WITH JUST SHARING YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION SO PEOPLE CAN REACH OUT TO YOU BY EMAIL, UM MM-HMM
WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY TO GO FOR NOW.
AND THEN IF OUT OF THAT COMES A NEED FOR A ZOOM MEETING OF SOME SORTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU ARE, YOU'RE FREE TO DO IT HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ADMINISTERING IT.
AND I, I THINK AL IS OFFERING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE SOMETHING WHEN WE HAVE OUR OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY INPUTTED TO SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT A PLAN TO THEM.
UM, IT, IT IS JUST, I'M GONNA REPEAT AGAIN.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS SITE, A TOUGH SITE, A SMALL SITE FOR BUILDING THIS SIZE WITH THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING.
AND WHAT KILLS YOU IS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE LARGE DRAINAGE POND THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
IT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE ENTIRE SITE.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT GIVES YOU MUCH ROOM TO MOVE ANYTHING.
WE ASK YOU TO MOVE THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T MOVE THE BUILDING MUCH FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE.
AND BEING IN THE, I THINK EVEN TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, ONE OF THE, THE PARTICULAR ITEMS IN THE, THE CODE FOR THIS PARTICULAR OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEY, THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID NO MORE EXTENSION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UM, THEY TO HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEM HERE AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID THAT.
WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER.
IF WE HAD SEWERS, WE'D GET BIGGER AND BIGGER USES.
SO WE DON'T WANT BIGGER AND BIGGER USES THIS EXACTLY WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A BIG USE, BUT BIG ENOUGH ON THIS SIDE PROPERTY THAT'S REALLY CAUSING PROBLEMS. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT BIG USAGE NOW WE'RE TRYING TO RURAL CHARACTER.
SO WE RESTRICTED THE COUNTY FROM EXTENDING SEWERS DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE MINUTE WE SPEND SEWERS, WE'RE GONNA GET BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG SOUTHWESTERN LIKE WE DO ON THE NORTHERN PART OF SOUTHWESTERN.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER.
WE HAVE SOME SMALL AREAS THAT ARE LEFT THIS COMMERCIAL'S HOR WHEN A PROPERTY THAT ALREADY HAD HAD DEVELOPMENT ON IT IN THE PAST THIS SITE AND, AND WE'RE NEIGHBORS ARE FINDING OUT THAT THEY'RE JOINING SITES, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
SO IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
I'M TRYING TO TAKE BOTH SIDES ON THIS.
IT IS NOT AN EASY SITE TO DEAL WITH.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE ALL THOSE TREES YOU CAN REPLANT BUT DOESN'T RE THAT WON'T GROW UP TO THAT CHARACTER FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU'LL HAVE TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER TREES AND, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE'RE TRYING MEET WITH THE NEIGHBOR, SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING, BUT IN THE END WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND THAT FIRST DECISION IS PROBABLY GONNA BE SEEKER RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE MAKING DECLARATION ING IT AND GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO MITIGATE TO MAXIMUM THE ISSUES THAT YOU DEAL
[01:00:01]
WITH HERE.I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE ON THAT.
I RIGHT NOW THERE'S JUST TOO MANY IMPACTS FROM THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE GOTTA DETERMINE THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY TOO, RIGHT.
SO I, I THINK GOING FORWARD, I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I SENT THAT LETTER TODAY, I'M SORRY THAT I SENT TO THE OTHER PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS SO LATE THAT WE CAN'T REALLY CONSIDER IT OR TALK ABOUT IT AT THIS MEETING, BUT LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS SO WE CAN SEND IT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY SO THAT WAY BY OUR NEXT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, WE CAN VOTE TO, TO SIGN THAT LETTER AND SEND IT TO DOT.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TIMEFRAME WE'D BE LOOKING AT UNLESS WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
DENNIS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS AGAIN.
I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA BE RIGHT UP PAINTED ALMOST A DEALBREAKER FOR ME.
THE OF THE WE WINDOWS, I CAN WALK INTO THE STORE AND LOOK AROUND AND KNOW IT'S ON THE SHELF AND WALK OUTSIDE.
UH, YEAH, I, I JUST, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PAINTED WINDOWS, BUT YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT BARS ON IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK SOMETHING BETTER.
WINDOWS HIGH SUPPORT AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME KNOW THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO BE AS, AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DENNIS WITH ME SO THAT I, I KNOW WHAT BREAKER POINTS ARE.
UM, AND KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HEARD YOU SAYING THAT YOU FELT LIKE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO DO A, YOU KNOW, START THE PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE FIND THAT THIS HAD A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHEN I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING OVER THE HEART Q IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND I'M ASKING MYSELF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT A SMALL, UM, OR NO IMPACT VERSUS A MODERATE OR LARGE IMPACT, THERE'S VERY, VERY FEW AREAS MAYBE AT ALL, UM, EXCEPT MAYBE, MAYBE ONE AREA, THE, THE CHANGE IN THE INFANCY OF THE USE OF THE LAND, UM, WHERE I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT IT'S A, A MODERATE OR LARGE IMPACT.
SO, WHICH I MAYBE LETTING ME KNOW WHICH AREAS ON THIS, UM, PART TWO THAT THE BOARD IS, IS MAYBE HAVING, IS STARTING TO DETERMINE IS A MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT.
I MEAN, I I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN CLEAR THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE CHANGING THE COMPLETE VEGETATION.
I MEAN THIS IS A FULLY WORTH IT, MATURE ECO, YOU KNOW, SITE AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO FROM THAT TO FULLY DEVELOP.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE, THE WHOLE SIDE OF THIS DECENT AREA AND I, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT'S PART OF THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE A DECISION ON, ON OF THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TO BE HONEST, FULLY GONNA THE SEA UNTIL WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE ROAD, RIGHT.
WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MOVE THE ROAD OFF HEALTH ROAD ONTO DOT AND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ONTO THIS BIG ROAD AND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR LANDSCAPING AND IDENTIFY CHARACT JOHN HEALTH ROAD.
WELL, AND I, I THINK I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING OR THE ONE BEFORE THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TILL WE HAVE THE ANSWER ON THAT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC AND THE IMPACT AND THE, AS WE TALKED WITH THE HEADLIGHTS ARE GONNA BE A BIG DEAL WITH THIS AND NOT, AND HAVING THAT UP IN THE AIR IS REALLY GONNA MAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING DIFFICULT TO MANAGE BECAUSE WHAT WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT IS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT PLAN IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHEN AL'S SUGGESTION COMES REALLY BECOMES IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK AT THIS STAGE, I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS FROM THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD ABOUT THE, THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS, BUT IT, WE ARE AT A POINT AS FAR AS THE BUILDING, THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT READY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON OTHER AREAS.
SO SO MAYBE HAVING SOME TYPE OF MEETING AND WE CAN GET SOME MORE CONCRETE, UH, INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON WHAT THEY THINK OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, DESIGNS.
[01:05:01]
SARAH, CAN WE TAKE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT SHE SENT US AND POST THEM ON THE, OUR WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THEM? UM, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH JENS, RIGHT? ON THE OPENING PAGE WE HAVE, THERE'S SOME PROJECTS LISTED ON THE YEAH, I DON'T HAVE TO SET UP A DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT RIGHT.AND PUT SOME STUFF ON THAT PART'S EASY.
I MIGHT HAVE TO ASK SARAH THOUGH TO EMAIL ME THEM OR P BS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES OF THE LARGER DOCUMENT.
WELL, YOU COULD INCLUDE DOCUMENT, RIGHT? WELL, I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SARAH'S SAYING ABOUT SEPARATING THEM BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE PERSON WOULD SAY, I LIKE FILE NUMBER FOUR, OR I LIKE FILE NUMBER TWO.
AND IF IT'S ONE LARGE DOCUMENT, IT'D BE HARD TO TELL EXACTLY WHAT THE PERSON'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO I THINK SARAH'S IDEA WAS SEPARATING THEM IS, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE NUMBERS.
SO IF PEOPLE SAY, I LIKE THESE COLORS, I LIKE THOSE COLORS, WE CAN, WE CAN REFERENCE THE NUMBERS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, OR IF THEY SAY, I DON'T, TARA JUST EMAILS ME THE RENDERING, I CAN JUST FORWARD THAT EMAIL STRAIGHT TO IT.
AND PROBABLY EASIER, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I, I'D LIKE TO START SEEING EMAILS FROM PEOPLE ON THEIR OPINIONS OF THE, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC FEATURES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME EMAILS ON THE, THEIR GENERAL OVERALL OPINION OF THE PROJECT, BUT SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR US.
WELL, WHO CALLED IN? WHO'S, UH, OH, THE ENGINEER? WHO'S THE, THE NUMBER THAT JUST CALLED INTO THE MEETING? IT'S JUST A PHONE NUMBER.
SO, SO YOU'RE THE ENGINEER ON BROADWAY GROUP? YES.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEER? THIS IS, THIS IS TARA.
UM, AND, AND WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH, UM, A LOT OF THE TOPICS I THINK THAT THE, THE BOARD HAD FOR US THIS EVENING, BUT, UM, NOW THAT MIKE, THIS HAS JOINED US, UM, IF THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS LIKE THE TECHNICAL NATURE, UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY LEAN ON HIS EXPERTISE.
UM, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD, UM, MAYBE COULD KEEP ME IN THE LOOP OF THAT LETTER, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE SENT TO DOTI.
I DEFINITELY WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING A COPY OF IT.
UM, ONCE THE BOARD HAS FINALIZED THE LANGUAGE.
WE'LL DEFINITELY CC YOU ON IT.
UM, WE MAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE MAY SEND IT TO YOU BEFORE WE SEND IT THE DOT.
WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD DO THAT OR NOT.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT? BASICALLY, I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION.
LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, THE GRADING, THE PARKING LOT, PRETTY MUCH THIS SITE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CLEARED TO, TO DEVELOP IT, CORRECT? IT'S GONNA BE CLEAR TO, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE WESTERN BORDER WILL MAINTAIN SOME VEGETATION, BUT BY AND LARGE THE WILL BE CLEARED.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ENGINEER THAT, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ENGINEER ON THE LINE? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT'S A RAISED MOUND, YOU DON'T HAVE HAVE TO HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT REPLACEMENT AREA ON IT.
SO IF THIS SYSTEM FAILS, YOU JUST REPLACE IT WHERE IT IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
I KNOW A SAND FILTER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT REPLACEMENT.
AND IN TALKING WITH, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, YOU KNOW, A SAND FILTER, THEY'RE SHALLOW GROUND, GROUND WATER, AND BEDROCK.
BIGGER ISSUES IN THAT AREA ARE, YOU KNOW, CALCIFICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRESSURIZED EXHAUSTING SYSTEM, UM, AND, AND, AND MO SYSTEM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAS LESS ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CAPILLARY ACTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAND FILTER WOULD STILL, UH, POTENTIALLY RE LEAD TO CALCIFICATION.
IN FACT, YOU, THE SMALLER S MORE OF THE WATER AND THE CHEMICAL, YOU KNOW, AND CALCIFICATION.
SO IN SPEAKING WITH HER, UH, SHE CALLS TO THE SITE AS WELL, VERY FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, AGREEMENT OWN SYSTEM FOR THAT SITE IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION LONG TERM.
[01:10:01]
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A DISCHARGE IN THE SYSTEM, RIGHT.YOU'RE NOT DISCHARGING INTO THE DITCH.
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRESSURE DOSING IT, YOU'RE MORE EVENLY DISTRIBUTING IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE BED.
AND THEN YOU'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, RELYING ON THE, THE GOOD INFILTRATION PROPERTIES OF THE SOIL.
YOU KNOW, THE SOIL IS CONDUCTED FOR WATER FLOW.
THE BIGGER ISSUE IS BECAUSE THE GROUNDWATER CAN BE HIGH, WE PUT THE MO UP AND THEN STILL LET THE SOIL DO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT NORMALLY DOES.
IT CONDUCIVE TO THE SOILS THAT ARE THERE AS WELL, AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE SO NOT BAD.
NOT BAD SOILS, BUT HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS, HIGH GROUND WATER AND BEDROCK.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE SAND FILTER, YOU NORMALLY DIG IT DOWN IN AND LET IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD FILL BACK FULL WITH, YOU KNOW, GROUND WATER.
SO, SO AT THE FRONT OF THE SIDE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGE MOUND, BUT YOU CAN'T PLANT ANYTHING, RIGHT? PARDON? CAN YOU PLANT ANYTHING ON THE MOUND? NO, NO.
THAT JUST BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S LAWN ERROR, YOU KNOW, A DOWNHILL PAPER OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, GROUND COVER OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT HAS AN EXTENSIVE SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOSE THOSE WELL ESTABLISHED THAT WELFARE VEGETATION AND NOT BE ABLE TO REPLACE IT WITH ANYTHING IN THAT AREA, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT AREA AS LONG IN FRONT AND, UH, DRAINAGE BASIN HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE YOU'RE GONNA NEED.
THAT THE DESIGN IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AT THE POINT FROM A STANDPOINT AND STORM WATER, NO.
IS ANY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU, ANYBODY THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT ON THIS PROJECT? NO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP LLC TO NOVEMBER 4TH.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF A PROPOSED CLUSTER SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
SO AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, WE DIDN'T ASK THE APPLICANT FOR MORE INFORMATION, WE JUST WANTED TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE BEFORE WE TELL THE VOTE.
UM, I GOT A QUESTION I HAVE FOR JENNIFER.
AS FAR AS THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION GOES, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE VOTE IS THREE THREE? AND IT'S EVEN AS FAR AS SAYING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR TO NOT GO FORWARD WITH IT.
WHAT'S THE DEFAULT? IS IT THE AS OF RIGHT OR WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING? I'M SORRY THAT I, YEAH, THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.
YEAH, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE MOTION.
SO IF IT'S A MOTION FOR THE CLUSTER AND IT'S THREE THREE, AND THE CLUSTER WOULD FAIL, AND IF IT'S A MOTION FOR THE AS OF RIGHT AND IT'S THREE THREE AND THE AS RIGHT.
WOULD FAIL, WELL, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA ON, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
SO, SO THE MOTION WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE CLUSTER.
IT WAS THREE THREE THAT THE, THE MOTION WOULD NOT PASS, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE THE AS OF RIGHT CHOICE.
AND THE INCLUDE, I MEAN, REMEMBER THE APPLICANT HAS A DECISION.
IF IF, IF THAT CASE, HE COULD, HE COULD, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, WAIT FOR THE OTHER PERSON OR WHATEVER, BUT, OR YOU CAN JUST SAY NO, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING TO CLUSTER.
SO, JEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF, IF IT IS THREE, IF HE'S SOMEBODY SAYS THEY WERE CLUSTER AS THREE THREE FAILED, HOW COULD IT, HOW COULD IT, HOW, HOW COULD THAT MEAN THAT THE ADVER AS OF RIGHT, WOULD PASS? IT WOULDN'T HAVE FOUR VOTES EITHER.
NO, BUT HE CAN GO FORWARD THE AS OF RIGHT.
SO IF WE ONLY HAVE THREE THREE, WE DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY TO PASS THE MOTION.
SO HE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS APPLICATION ON THE AS OF RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S GUARANTEED, BUT IT CAN MOVE FORWARD.
REALLY THEN WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE USE OF CLUSTER.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO APPROVE THE REGULAR LAYOUT, IT'S JUST WHETHER WE'RE GONNA,
[01:15:01]
RIGHT.SO I GET SO THE MOTION YES, WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE ON THE CLUSTER, BUT THEN IT'S ALSO UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT US TO VOTE TONIGHT OR HOLD OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE VOTE, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TOO.
I WAS GONNA ASK IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAD ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH SINCE THE LAST MEETING? YES, YES.
YEAH, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THE CLUSTER.
I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT OF THE THINGS, SO I THAT'S A LOT.
I DID SOME REVIEWS AND EVERYTHING.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION CAMMY'S THERE, SHE'S HERE NEAR YOU, CHRIS, ON THESE LOTS.
NOW AS I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I, THE FRONT LOT, THE FRONT YARD, AND I KNOW HOW THE DESIGNS ARE LEAST LIKE 20 FEET BACK.
WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING A FRONT YARD SIT BACK OF 30 FEET, 30 FEET.
SO MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU OR
SO IF I FIRE, WERE I WANNA PUT IN, I WANNA PUT IN A, SHE, I'M, I'M LIMITED TO GET A PERMIT ON THE SIZE OF THE SHED.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S GOTTA MEET THE ACCESSORY.
RIGHT? WELL, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SENT US A LETTER ON THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THAT LETTER THAT ADDRESSED THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CLUSTER? UM, I, I, I THINK THE GIST OF IT WAS THAT HE DID NOT LIKE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS IN THE CLUSTER BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND SPACE FOR THOSE SHEDS AND PATIOS AND POOLS IN BACKYARD.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S GET OFF THE, SHED SAY A POOL.
I THINK THAT WAS BASED ON 50 55, 60 LOT, WHICH THESE ARE NOT 55, 75 FOOT LOTS.
REGULAR R ONE LOTS ARE 90, SO IT'S ONLY 15 FEET.
IT'S REALLY THE DEPTH OF A LOT.
AND THESE ARE, THESE DEPTHS ARE BAD.
THEY'RE NOT THE, THE, THE CLUSTER LOTS THAT HE HATES AND I AGREE WITH 'EM, ARE 50 BY A HUNDRED TO 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
HE SAID THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T FIT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BY THE TIME YOU PUT THE DRAINAGE.
USUALLY HAVE A DRAINAGE CONSERVATION IN THE BACK.
NOW THESE BIG ENOUGH, THAT'S A QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING CHRIS, IS THAT OKAY, I BUILD A HOUSE ON THIS AT 30 FEET BACK, YOU'RE BUILDING A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME OR WHATEVER.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PATIO HEIGHTS.
SO HIGH SIZE HOMES, HOW MUCH ROOM YOU HAVE IN THE BACK FOR SOMEONE TO PUT ACCESSORY ON BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS.
I NEED THE BAD GUY TELL PEOPLE YOU CAN'T PUT A RIGHT.
SO, SO NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE CON UH, AND AND ROGER'S LETTER HERE, THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN PROPOSES A REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM REAR YARD FROM 30 FEET TO 25 FEET.
THIS COMBINED WITH THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT ARE NOT SHOWN AT THIS TIME, FURTHER CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR THE HOMEOWNER WHO DESIRES A SWIMMING POOL, POOL HOUSE, OR TOOL SHED.
SO HE'S SPECIFICALLY SAYING 25 FOOT BACKYARD AND A 30 FOOT FRONT YARD.
SO, SO I THINK HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE 75 FOOT LOTS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 30 FEET IN THE FRONT FRONT, YOU GOT THE HOUSE 25 FEET IN THE BACK.
WELL, IT'S NO ONE 40 MINUS 55 S 85, 5 85 FEET OF BUILDABLE AREA.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, THESE LOTS AREN'T BEING GEARED TOWARDS SOMEBODY THAT HAS JUST GOT KIDS THAT'S GONNA PUT IN A HUGE POOL, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I WAS WONDERING HOW IT WAS MARKETING IT.
IT'S BEING MARKETED MORE TOWARDS SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T WANT THE LARGE LOT ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THE LOT.
THERE'S NO HOA THAT'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE LOTS.
SO THEY DO HAVE TO MOW THEIR OWN LAWNS.
SO IT'S GEARED TOWARDS SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T WANT AS MUCH LAWN MAINTENANCE AS YOU WOULD ON A REGULAR.
THE OTHER QUESTION, THESE LOTS IN THE FRONT, CHRIS.
ARE THESE FACING PARKER THE ROADRUNNER'S LOT? YEAH, THESE ARE, YES.
THESE WERE, AND THAT'S THE THIS'S, THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO THE LOTS ARE FACING, THE FRONT DOOR IS AT FACING PARKER FOR THESE LOTS, CORRECT.
AND I HAD MENTIONED LAST MEETING, I MEAN, JUST MY OPINION LOOKING AT THE, THE CRITERIA A THROUGH E OF A, OF A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD COME CLOSER TO MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF IS I WOULD TRY TO GET RIGHT RID OF EVERY OTHER LOT HERE, MAKE THESE BIGGER LOTS.
SO IT KIND OF BLENDS INTO THE CHARACTER PARKER ROAD AND NOT HAVE THESE LOTS JUST LINED UP AND DOWN PARKER ROAD.
THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER ONE SUGGESTION ON THIS PETITION.
WE, WE, WE DID AGREE AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WOULD TAKE THESE LOTS, RIGHT? MOVE 'EM IN HERE, RIGHT? JUST A LITTLE.
AND YOU COULD DO EVERY OTHER, MAYBE MAKE THREE OUT THERE, JUST MAKE THEM FIT IN THE CHARACTER MORE.
[01:20:01]
SEVEN LINES, RIGHT? PUT 'EM BACK IN HERE IN THE INTERIOR, LEAVE THIS ALL AS OPEN SPACE.WE CAN PUT A, A BERM ON THERE FROM THE ROOF.
THAT'S ONE IDEA SAYING REMOVING THE LOSS ON PARKER AND ADDING THAT NUMBER OF, SO NOW WE LOST.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AND IT'S A BIG ISSUE ABOUT THE, AND I'VE GIVEN YOU THE FIVE CRITERIA, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M NOT, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO WEIGH AND BALANCE THOSE CRITERIA.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
THE OTHER CRITERIA IS SAVING IMPORTANT GREEN SPACE OR IMPORTANT FEATURES OF THE TOWN AND THEN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE TOWN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOTHING, THIS IS A VACANT FARM FIELD, RIGHT? WELL IT'S, IT'S AN ACTIVE FARM FIELD.
SO IT'S AN ACTIVE FARM, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT ZONED RA NOPE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN FARM, YOU CONTINUE.
MATTER OF FACT, STATE AG AND MARKETS, IF WE TRIED TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE NOT ZONED PROPERLY FOR FARMING STATE AG AND MARKETS WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT OF SOMEONE TO FARM A PROPERTY.
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO FARM THAT FOR THE REST OF THEIR, FOR THE NEXT CENTURY.
SO BACK TO THE POINT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS SUBDIVISION, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, HOW DOES IT FIT IN? I RIDE DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE'S WHOLE FARM EQUIPMENT, THERE'S STILL SOME FARM PROPERTY.
CAN YOU CREATE SOMETHING HERE THAT, AND I'M A BIG, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, MAKE, UM, COMMUNITY GARDENS IN HERE, MAKE IT LIKE A, FOR THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
MAKE IT LIKE A AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN PLANT VEGETABLES OR WHATEVER.
KIND OF BRING THE CHARACTER OF SOMETHING BACK IN.
I'M, I'M JUST, SO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IS GONNA WEIGH IN ON THIS, RIGHT? WE, UH, THEY HAVEN'T YET, BUT I, I DID TALK TO ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE GONNA SUGGEST IS A, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RETENTION AREA THAT FILTERS THE DRAINAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE ON THE IMMACULATA, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, THAT ONE WE HAVE AND YOU HAVE THAT AROUND THAT, THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED HERE BECAUSE IT'S A SCHEMATIC, BUT THAT'S BIO RETENTION, WHICH WE'LL HAVE WHERE IT FILTERS THE WATER INTO THE, INTO THE OTHER POND.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD, AND WE DID AGREE TO, TO PROVIDE A PASSIVE RECREATION AREA HERE FOR THESE RESIDENTS.
THAT THAT DEFINITION INCLUDES COMMUNITY GARDENS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT, THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO OFFER SOMETHING, LIKE I SAID, USUALLY WITH CUSTER DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THAT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, IS THAT WE TRY TO, THESE, THERE'S A BIG SPAN OF WOODS.
THERE'S IMPORTANT STREAM CARD OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE WHEN IT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED 20, 25 YEARS AGO, THE TOWN BOARD THEN SAID, HEY, THIS IS A TOOL TO HELP PRESERVE IMPORTANT LANDS AND KEEP COMMUNITY CHARACTERS.
SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TOOL, BUT ON, ON THAT TOPIC, YOU GUYS APPROVE PLEASANT VIEW ESTATES.
THAT HAS ZERO, THAT STUFF HAS NO PASSIVE OPEN RECREATION AREA.
HAS NO SIGNIFICANT AREA THAT WAS PRESERVED PLEASANT VIEW ESTATES.
SO THAT, SO THE PLEASANT VIEW, THAT'S THE ONE I'M THINKING OF.
THAT WAS THE, THE THIS ONE, IS IT ON ROGERS? NO, IT'S UNPLEASANT.
THIS ONE HERE, LIKE LESS THAN A YEAR AGO'S COMPLEX THAT DRAINS BACK IN THERE.
THAT WAS PRESERVED AS PART OF THE DESIGN AS WELL AND AVOIDED AND THE AREA PREVIOUSLY ALREADY.
NO, BUT, BUT THEY'RE IMPACTING, THEY'RE IMPACTING HALF AN ACRE WETLANDS.
I WAS GETTING A HARD TIME WHEN I WAS GONNA IMPACT 0.6 ACRES OF WETLANDS ON HERE.
WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED SEEKER YET.
THEY ISSUE THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE USE THE USE.
AND JUST, BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE BEING HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD BECAUSE THE LOTS ON PLEASANT VIEW ESTATES ARE SIX TO 600 SQUARE FEET.
YOU'RE SAYING OUR LOTS ARE TOO SMALL.
CHRIS, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T GO THERE PUSHING BOARD WORK AND JUST SAY NO LAYOUT.
CHRIS, THOSE ARE EVERY DEVELOPMENT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FEATURES.
THIS IS THE AREA I EITHER AGREE WITH OR I DON'T AGREE WITH.
HOW WE GO FORWARD? I'M QUESTIONING THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT USED TO WHAT YOU, YOU'RE YOU'RE INTRODUCING TO ME.
SO THE ISSUE WITH, WITH YOU DIDN'T, THEY TALKED ABOUT TAKING LOTS AWAY FROM PARKER ROAD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IF THAT WAS THE CLUSTER WE WANTED TO VOTE ON, CAN WE DO THAT WITHOUT A SCHEMATIC? WELL, YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU'RE VOTING ON PLUS THE ABILITY TO DO CLUSTERING.
SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A CLUSTER SITE PLAN FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO, SO IF WE, TODAY'S VOTE WOULD JUST BE MOVE FORWARD ON CLUSTER OR DON'T.
AND YOU, AND YOU AS I PUT IN MY
[01:25:01]
THE, THE CONTINUE TO WORK TO BUILD THIS AREA INTO SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE FOR THE AREA.I'M SUGGESTING AN AGRICULTURAL SPIN TOWARDS IT.
YOU COULD ADD THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION, WE'RE NOT APPROVING CLUSTER, WE'RE NOT IMPROVING IT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, GO ON WITH THIS ONE AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS MAY OR MAY NOT GET APPROVED.
I MEAN, SO THIS BOARD WOULD ONLY BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE IF YOU KNEW IF YOU HAD CONDITIONS AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR VOTE.
AND WE DO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAME UP LAST TIME WAS THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL.
AND WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB HERE, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO DISCUSS ANY, ANY PART OF THAT.
CHRIS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM.
BEFORE THE MINUTE YOU SAID YOU PROPOSED A PASSIVE RECREATION AREA FOR THE USE OF THOSE RESIDENTS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE ONLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONDITIONS? NO, I THINK CONDITIONS, NUMBER OF LOTS.
AND THEN THE, THAT WOULD MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN ALL PEOPLE'S AND ALL THAT STUFF.
PUBLIC PEOPLE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING THEIR OWN.
THEA WOULD JUST MAINTAIN THIS PASSIVE RECREATION AREA.
SO ESSENTIALLY JUST COMMUNITY AREA, THE PERMIT, OPEN SPACE THEY WOULD MAINTAIN.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY, TO RE TO RELOCATE THESE HOUSES, CHRIS.
HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD TAKE UP THAT SPACE? OPEN SPACE TO, TO GET SEVEN LOTS? GET 1, 2, 3, 4.
YOU'D HAVE TO MOVE 150 FEET BACK EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.
BEFORE I, ON THE STANDARD, OH, BEFORE I MADE THE MOST RECENT CHANGE, THIS USED TO BE 150 FOOT LESS.
INSTEAD OF 4 85 DO IS TAKE THIS AND MOVE IT THIS WAY TO GET TO GET SEVEN LOTS, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 4.
AND BY DOING THAT, I MEAN THERE'S PLUS AND MINUSES.
YOU'RE GAINING GREEN SPACE ALONG PARKER ROAD, BUT YOU'RE LOSING THIS GREEN SPACE, SOME OF THIS GREEN SPACE OVER THERE.
BUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, THIS GREEN SPACE HERE WOULD BENEFIT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS GREEN SPACE BENEFITS THE RESIDENTS OF THE PEOPLE.
DO YOU NEED A COPY OF THE PETITION? YOU HAVE MINE? OKAY.
UH, I WANT TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT NUMBER THREE ON THE PETITION, UH, SEWER WATER DRAINAGE BE DIVERTED OR UPGRADE THE SYSTEM OF PARKER ROAD, WHICH IS VERY OLD.
WE, AS PART OF OUR PROJECT, WE HAVE TO DO A DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO MONITOR THREE MANUALS DOWNSTREAM OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AS PART OF THAT IT LOOKS FOR ANY CAPACITY PROBLEMS IN THE SEWER DOWNSTREAM.
AND THEN WE ADD TO THAT OUR NEW FLOW.
SO OUR NEW FLOW CAN'T MAKE THOSE PIPES EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF THIS, OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S REVIEWED BY, BY, UH, GARY COUNTY SEWER AND CAN BE, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO BY I AND I REMEDIATION HERE.
I I REMEDIATION IS ACTUALLY FOUR TIMES THE PEAK FLOW AND FOUR TIMES, AND THE PEAK FLOW IS FOUR TIMES THE AVERAGE.
SO IT'S 16 TIMES THE AVERAGE FLOW OF OUR SEWAGE YEAR.
WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THE EXISTING
I OUTTA OUT STORM, STORM WATER OUTTA THE, FOR THE PUBLIC AND CAM ON THE LINE.
BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH SEWERS, WESTERN NEW YORK IS WHEN IT RAINS THE STORM WATER, THE RAIN WATER GETS INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM AND OVERFLOWS THE SEWER SYSTEM.
SO HOW THE COUNTY, AND AGAIN THIS, THIS IS A SYSTEM OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY'S TRYING TO RETROFIT THAT BY SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT YOU TO REMOVE SO MUCH I AND I FOUR FOR ONE FROM THE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN IT RAINS, THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS STORM WATER, WHICH IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM GETTING IN THE SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S HOW THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO RESOLVE IT BY MAKING, THEY DO FOUR FOR ONE.
SO FOR EVERY GALLON THEY DO FOUR GALLONS OF, I I NO, THEY SHOULD DO 16 BECAUSE WHAT'S THAT YOU DO FOUR TIMES A PEAK.
THAT'S WHY CAM SHOULD TALK ON, LEMME LEMME POINT OUT TOO THAT WE'RE TYING IN OUR SANITARY MARYLAND AND IT GOES NORTH TOWARDS VICTORY.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SEWER.
SO YOU TALKING ABOUT SEWER, HOW'S WATER? WATER SYSTEM STORM PRESSURE, WATER FLOWS, THE UM, I DID GET THE HYDRO FLOW INFORMATION FROM THE WATER.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, ANY PRESSURE OR FLOW ISSUES ON PARKER AND STORM WATER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STORM WATER, HOW YOU'RE HANDLING AND WHERE YOU'RE DISCHARGING STORM WATER.
STORM WATER AGAIN HAS TO BE DESIGNED ACCORDING TO THE TOWN AND DC REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIRES WATER QUALITY AND STORAGE.
AND WHAT BILL WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE INFILTRATION THING, IT'LL HAVE THE BIO RETENTION, WHICH IS A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PRACTICE.
UM, AND THAT, AND THAT'S PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL STORAGE PART OF THE DETENTION BASIN.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING TWO ON THE WEST SIDE, ONE ON THE
[01:30:01]
NORTH, ONE ON THE SOUTH NORTH ONE WOULD DISCHARGE TO THE CREEK OR DITCH THE ONE ON THE SOUTH WOULD JUST DISCHARGE TO THE DITCH THAT GOES ON THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PROPERTY.AND THIS, ALL THIS INFORMATION, CORRECT ME IF WRONG, IS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S CLUSTER ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT? AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE GOES, YEAH, THE SEWER AND THE SEWER AND THE WATER AND THE DRAINAGE BASICALLY.
WITH THE EXCEPTION, IF WE HAVE TO PUT LOTS, IF WE GO BACK WITH THE REGULAR ONE, SOME OF THESE LAST HERE MIGHT HAVE TO TIE THE SEWER FURTHER UP ON PARKER BECAUSE THE GRAY DROPS OFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I GUESS I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS STILL CORRECT IN THE MEETING LAST WEEK THAT THERE'S NO, THAT THE APPLICANT IS UNWILLING TO PRESERVE LAND FOR A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL UNLESS THERE IS CLUSTERING.
BUT THERE WOULD BE NO LINES FOR, FOR, SO THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANT NO MOBILE TRAVEL.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE, WE'VE GOT A RESOLUTION.
UM, BEFORE I READ THE RESOLUTION, I DO JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD, UM, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALMOST EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
WHEN YOU SAY WE GENERALLY, IF WE HAD OUR WAY, WE PREFER THAT STUFF, THAT OPEN SPACE REMAIN OPEN, BUT THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE WE COULD TELL A LANDOWNER YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND, AND BASICALLY THOSE TIMES ONLY AMOUNT TO WHEN DOING IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL.
SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE DEVELOPMENT THERE AND WE, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, OUR TASK IS UNFORTUNATELY MORE TRYING TO DECIDE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS IN A WAY.
UM, THERE'S SPECIFIC, A SPECIFIC REGULATION THAT DEALS WITH CLUSTER THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE WANNA HAVE LOTS IN EVERY OPEN SPOT.
UM, THAT'S, WE HAVEN'T DONE C HERE YET, BUT IT'S, IT'S UNREASONABLE TO THINK IF WE HAVEN'T FOUND SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE CLUSTER A SLAM DUNK IN THAT 50% OF OPEN SPACE TO BE PRESERVED THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA COME ALONG AND SEEKER THAT KEEPS THE ENTIRE THING OPEN COULD HAPPEN.
BUT IT, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY AND I I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT GOING THAT WAY.
SO OUR DECISION TODAY ISN'T DECIDING WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST FOR THAT AREA.
IT'S DECIDING KIND OF WHAT ARE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS AS FAR AS WHAT'S POSSIBLE IN THAT AREA.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR EVERYONE.
UM, SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AND UH, I'LL READ IT AND THEN I'LL DO A ROLL CALL AND IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, IT IS A LONG RESOLUTION.
SO, OR DO WE WANNA, DO I I GUESS I'LL JUST READ THE WHOLE THING.
WELL, I MEAN, I HONEST TO VOTE TONIGHT OR ARE HAVE THEY DETERMINE THAT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE VOTE WOULD BE, I GUESS.
WELL IT'S, I MEAN, IT IS OUR DECISION NOT THEIRS AND UM, DOUG AND I DID TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING THREE THREE IF HE WASN'T HERE.
AND I, I THINK GOING FORWARD IT WILL BE FINE.
SO IT WILL BE WHAT? FINE, I SAID WE WILL BE FINE.
OH, NOT, NOT, IT WILL BE FINE THAT WE AS A BOARD, I, IIII DON'T KNOW THAT THE DECISION WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE HERE IF YOU, THAN IF YOU WEREN'T.
IF IT GETS TO THE NEXT POINT THEN MAYBE I'LL SAY SOMETHING TO DEAN, BUT WE'LL, HOPEFULLY I WON'T HAVE TO.
HEY BILL, INSTEAD OF READING THE RESOLUTION, CAN WE WALK THROUGH, UM, DREW DID A GREAT JOB FOR US.
CAN, BEFORE WE READ THIS RESOLUTION, JUST, UH, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN, HE WALKED THROUGH EACH FINDINGS FOR EACH OF THE FIVE CLUSTER CRITERIA AND MAKE SURE THAT AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE FINDING SAYS FOR EACH OF THOSE CRITERIA.
THIS ALRIGHT, UH, BEFORE WE VOTE ON, OKAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE RESOLUTION IS BASED ON THE, ON OUR RATIONALE, BASED ON THESE FIVE CRITERIA.
DO YOU WANT, WANT ME TO START WITH THE POINTS AND THEN THE FINDING? I CAN DO THAT AND JUST LEMME MAKE ONE POINT.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OF EM.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE WEIGHING AND BALANCING THE CRITERIA AND SAYING DOES IT, IS IT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS? SO IT'S NOT LIKE, HEY, THEY DON'T BEAT ALL FIVE.
IT'S WEIGHING AND BALANCING SAYING DOES THIS, DOES THIS MAKE IT BETTER TO HAVE THE CLUSTER? SO WELL THOSE FIVE CRITERIA WEIGH AND BALANCE THEM.
SOME OF THEM ARE NEGATIVE, SOME OF 'EM ARE A LITTLE BETTER.
SO, SO A TO PERMIT FLEXIBILITY AND LAND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT BY ALLOWING FOR A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES
[01:35:01]
WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL DENSITY PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.SO THE FINDING THAT DREW PUT IN THERE IS THAT POST CLUSTER DOES NOT INCREASE THE OVERALL DENSITY PERMITTED BY ZONING.
I THINK WE DETERMINED THAT THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW 67 UNITS AND THIS, UH, ALLOWS 60, UH, IT ALLOWS FOR A SLIGHTLY SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS IN AN AREA OF A SIMILAR SIZED FAMILY HOME.
LOTS THAT, YEAH, IT'S JUST, UH, AN OBSERVATION, RIGHT? SO, SO, SO THE OBSERVATION IS, IS THIS CLUSTER HAS THE, THE LOTS ARE SLIGHTLY SMALLER, BUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES WOULD STILL BE THE SAME, SHARON, HOWEVER, IF IF THEY REMOVE THE PARKER ROADS, IT WOULD STILL, WE STILL END UP AT 60.
YEAH, WE STILL, WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE THOSE PARKER ROAD AND PUT 'EM INTERIOR.
IT'S STILL IN AND THEY, AND THEY MOVE THE GREEN SPACE IN ONE SPOT AND PUT IT INTO PARKER ROOM.
RIGHT? UH, SO B, TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS IN HARMONY WITH THE AESTHETICS QUALITIES OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND IN SO DOING, PROTECTING IMPORTANT AND OR SENSITIVE LANDS FROM DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CONNECT TO OTHER IMPORTANT TOWN FEATURES AND WILL PROVIDE LARGE AREAS OF IMPORTANT LANDS.
THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH THE MOST IN THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE FINDING THAT MR. RILEY PUT ON THERE IS THE SITE CONTAINS NO IMPORTANT AND OR SENSITIVE LANDS AS DEPICTED, AS DEPICTED IN THE TOWN PLAN.
THERE IS A TOWN PARK IN THE AREA, BUT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS STATED THAT THERE IS NOT A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL PARK, TOWN PARK AREA.
THE PROJECT PROVIDES SOME AESTHETIC QUALITY PROTECTION BY HAVING INCREASED SETBACKS AND BUFFERS TO ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL LOTS, BUT DOES LITTLE FOR THE OTHER AESTHETIC QUALITIES OF THE AREA.
AND I ADDED IN HERE, UH, THAT THERE'S A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT CURRENTLY GOES THROUGH THAT AREA THAT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE MOVED IN A CLUSTER PLAN C THAT, THAT IF WE TOOK THOSE SEVEN LOTS OVER HERE AND MOVED THEM BACK HERE THOUGH, THAT THIS GREEN SPACE WOULD BENEFIT, I WOULD THINK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT THAT'S NOT IN THERE.
THAT WOULD BE TO PERMIT FLEXIBILITY IN RESIDENTIAL LOT LAYOUT THAT WOULD IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ASPECTS DUE TO BETTER LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE FINDING WAS THE CLUSTER DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FEATURES OR IMPROVED LAYOUT THAT IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ASPECTS OVER THE REGULAR LAYOUT.
I I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, UM, TO MINIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT ON LOCAL, NON-LOCAL OR MINOR STREETS.
UH, THE FINDING WAS THE PROPOSED CLUSTER LOT INCLUDES NEW LOTS ON PARKER ROAD.
UM, I I THINK WE WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, UM, AND SAY THAT THEY NOW ARE LIMITING ROAD FURNITURE.
WELL, WELL I, BUT I I, AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS, UH, I'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE FINISH.
EI I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS THAT I WAS GONNA ADD, UH, TO MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIONS OF THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ANY APPROPRIATE ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICTS FINDING THERE ARE NO ZONING OVERLAYS IN THIS AREA.
THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ILLUSTRATES THIS AREA AS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREA AND INCLUDES THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF VARIED HOUSING TYPES, RURAL CHARACTER AND HIGHER DESIGN STANDARDS AND NO CUL-DE-SAC TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONLY ILLUSTRATES A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL IN THE AREA.
SO THE CONDITIONS THAT I WROTE DOWN AND, AND LET ME KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY DIFFERENT ONES OR MORE, UH, NO.
LOTS ON PARKER ROAD CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE RECREATION AREA.
LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT TO MO NO MORE THAN 60 LOTS.
UH, ENHANCE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING CLUSTER AND OR BETWEEN THE CLUSTER AND EXISTING RESIDENCE.
UH, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD WILL HAVE A GATE.
THOSE WERE THE, THE CONDITIONS THAT I PUT ON THERE.
I DIDN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE SEWER WATER DRAINAGE IN THE PETITION BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN EITHER PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUT THAT AS A CONDITION OF A CLUSTER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION IN BOTH.
AND BILL, HERE'S, HERE'S A QUESTION.
PLANNING BOARD, IT'S KIND OF OKAY.
THE IDEA OF REMOVING ALL THE LOTS ON PARKER ROAD IS FINE.
IT PRODUCES THE GREEN SPACE INSIDE.
BUT UNDERSTAND I WAS SUGGESTING MAYBE LEAVE TWO OR THREE OR SO LOTS ON PARKER LANE JUST ON WIDER LOTS BECAUSE UNLESS WE DO SOME GREAT LANDSCAPING OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE DOWN PARKER BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW.
[01:40:01]
GONNA LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE HOMES THAT ARE FACING THE, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE ON THIS LOT THAT WE CAN DO.WE CAN CONTINUE THIS, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS LANDSCAPE FIRM.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT I WAS SUGGESTING BECAUSE I LOOKED, I DOWN THE ROAD AND SAID, HEY, THERE'S SOME HOUSES, JUST SPREAD 'EM OUT AND THAT WAY IT'LL, IT'LL MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT BACK HOME.
BUT IF YOU LANDSCAPER NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BACK OF HOMES THAT ARE ABOUT WHAT IS THERE GONNA BE ABOUT 80 FEET BACK OFF THE ROAD? THINK IF IT WENT THAT WAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD PREFER PERSONALLY.
SO I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WORD THIS OR HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE, BUT IS IN MY MIND, I'M WRESTLING WITH THE FACT THAT THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL ONLY STAYS IF WE CLUSTER.
BUT I, FOR THE REASONS I STATED LAST TIME, I KIND OF PREFERRED THE CHARACTER OF THE TRADITIONAL R ONE LOT AND I, YOU KNOW, ROGER RAISED CONCERNS AND I THINK THEY'RE WELL FOUNDED.
UM, CAN WE MAKE MAINTAINING THAT PORTION OF THOSE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL A REQUIREMENT OF THE THE CLUSTER? BECAUSE IF THAT SNOWMOBILE TRAIL GOES, YEAH, OKAY, SO PUT THAT AS ANOTHER CONDITION, MAINTAIN THE SNOW.
SO, SO I I I PUT THAT IN THE FINDINGS, BUT THEN I ALSO ADDED IT IN THE CONDITION.
SO, SO A CLUSTER, A REQUIREMENT OF THE CLUSTER WOULD BE THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL AS IS FOR PUBLIC ACCESS? YEAH, FOR PUBLIC, WHOEVER, WHOEVER, HOWEVER THEY DO THAT.
BUT, UH, NO, I'LL PUT DOWN FOR PUBLIC ACCESS BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IN THAT AREA, MAYBE THEY DO MOVE THE TRAIL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL WORK WITH THE SMALL CLUB TOO COME UP.
THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO TOWN AND, AND THE BECAUSE IT DOES, IT DOES ENTER AGAINST PUT LIKE JUMPS.
WOULD THAT BE FUN? IF YOU WANT JUMP, WE'LL PUT A JUMPER, WE'LL PUT TWO JUMP.
AND LEMME LEMME PUT OUT TOO, THE STONEVILLE CLUB IS LOOKING AT ENHANCING THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL TO BE MORE THAN JUST A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL TO, TO LEASE FOR THIS SMALL STRETCH BETWEEN THE YIELD WALMART PROPERTY IN HERE RIGHT.
HAS MORE OF A WALKING TRAIL AND RECREATION TRAIL ALSO LIKE IN THE SUMMERTIME.
SO, AND AGAIN, SO IF HE DOES WANNA SPEAK THAT, THAT MAY BE OPEN TO THE BOAT.
RIGHT? THAT WAS, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
IF, IF THERE IS A WALKING TRAIL MM-HMM
HOW WOULD THAT WORK? UM, WOULD THAT BE ON THIS PARTIAL THOUGH? IT'D BE THIS PARCEL AND THE PARCEL TO THE WEST.
YOU SAID AND NO AND OR FROM GLEN'S PARCEL ONTO TO THE WEST ONTO OUR PARCEL CIRCLE AROUND AND THEN GO BACK OFF OUR PARCEL.
WE'RE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING, UM, WITH HAMBURG MOOSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ORGANIZATION AND MARTY DEKE.
UM, THE WHOLE PORTION OF THIS IS, WE WERE APPROACHED A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO DEVELOP OUR TRAILS AS A MULTI-SEASONAL USE TRAIL SYSTEM.
UM, THIS TRAIL THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE ON THIS PORTION WOULD CONNECT BEHIND, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR WESLEYAN CHURCH, THE LARGE CHURCH FROM WESLEYAN CHURCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, WE ALREADY HAVE RIGHT FROM THE DOT TO GO DOWN MCKINLEY CENTER, MCKINLEY AND THEN HOOK INTO THE BOY SCOUT POND.
SO THIS WOULD BE MULTI-USE TRAIL FOR, UH, SNOW SHOOTING.
WE EVEN HAVE DOG IN HAMBURG, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
THEY, THEY USE THE TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, SKIING AND THEN IN THE SUMMER BE USED FOR HIKING, RUNNING, BIKING.
SO, AND PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT FOR NOT ONLY THESE RESIDENTS BUT OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
AND WHAT WE'VE NOTICED IN THE YEARS OF DOING TRAILS AND STUFF AND WHERE WE DO WITH THEM IS THAT IN THE PUBLIC'S, RIGHT, IF THERE WERE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT SUBDIVISION NOW AND WE PROPOSED IT, THEY WOULD ADAMANTLY OPPOSE IT.
BUT IF IT IS THERE AT THE START BEFORE THEY MOVE, KNOW THAT THEY'RE BUYING INTO IT, THEY KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING AND A LOT OF 'EM SEE IT AS AN ASSET.
AND ACTUALLY, SO IT'S A, IT'S IN THIS CASE WE WERE MAKING THE CONDITION, IF BE SHOWN THE PLANS WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT LOTS, THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THAT IS THERE.
BUT GOING, GOING BACK TO ITEM A ON CRITERIA, IF WE'RE CONNECTING TO THAT PUBLIC WALKWAY FOR, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE, ADD SOME OF THE FEATURES? RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE'RE CONNECTING OTHER FEATURES OF THE TOWN.
OUR JOB HERE IS, IS TRYING TO CREATE THE BEST THING POSSIBLE TO MEET THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF LAW.
[01:45:03]
NOW WE CREATED THAT LAW, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT IT IS.SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE AFTERWARDS, UM, AFTER I, I READ IT.
SO THE RESOLUTION, SO ARE WE GONNA OUTLINE THE THINGS NOW THE DEFINITES THAT, UH, APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT ARE GONNA DO OR YEAH, WE'D OUTLINE THOSE AS CONDITIONS.
SO, SO I SAID I GO OVER THE LIST AGAIN.
CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE RECREATION AREA AREA, LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENTS.
ENHANCE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CLUSTER AND EXISTING RESIDENTS.
UH, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD WILL BE GATED, MAINTAIN THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND ENHANCE IT AS A MULTI-SEASON PUBLIC TRAIL.
UH, THOSE WERE THE CONDITIONS I, I PUT ON.
THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS I THINK WE DISCUSSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES THAT I MISSED? NO.
WHERE WE REMOVED THE LOT BY PARTNER.
SO, SO, UH, SO ENHANCE THE BUFFER.
I'LL SAY BY EXTENDING THE BERM, WE, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MOST EFFECTIVE, ASSUMING THIS PASSES WE'LL OUT, WHERE THE MOST EFFECTIVE SPOT THAT IS.
AND, UH, SAY, UH, ENHANCE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CLUSTER AND EXISTING RESIDENCE BY EXTENDING THE BERM ON PARKER ROAD AND ADDING LANDSCAPING.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO, SO I CAN USE THE, THIS LAND AS HIKING AND EVERYTHING, THE TRAIL, THE TRAILER, IF YOU USED THAT ONE SPECIFIC TRAIL TRAIL.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, I CAN'T USE MY SNOW SNOWMOBILE UNLESS I JOINED THE CLUB.
IT'D BE OPEN MULTI SEASONAL REGISTER.
SNOWMOBILE IN NEW YORK STATE CAN USE THAT.
AND HE'S, HE IS WORKING WITH, WHO'D YOU SAY YOU WERE WORKING WITH THE, UH, MARTY DENNIS? NO, THE THE MOVES HAMBURG MOVES MOVES AND, AND THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING LIKE BIKE PATH STUFF, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO HE IS WORKING WITH HAMBURG MOVES TO, TO, TO ALLOW MORE THAN JUST SNOWMOBILES ON THE TRAIN.
NETFLIX, I KNOW THE SNOWMOBILE CLUBS MAINTAIN THESE TRAILS AND THEY CARRY THE INSURANCE PORT.
WHO CARRIES THE INSURANCE FOR THAT AREA WHEN IT'S NOT SNOWMOBILE SEASON? OR IS IT STILL COVERED UNDER THE SNOWBOARD? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN HAMBURG MOVES AND THE SNOWMOBILE CLUB AND MARTY DEKE AT RECREATION.
UM, AS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN, UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH BIKE PATH.
SO THERE'S, IT, IT'S PROBABLY USING, IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, PLEASE HELP ME OUT MM-HMM
BUT I'M GUESSING THAT IT'S YOU, YOU'RE USE THEIR EASEMENT AND COME UP WITH A PLAN BETWEEN ALL THE AGENCIES ON HOW IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED FOR NON-STABLE USE AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE INSURED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S BIKE PASS AND THINGS.
I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IF WE WERE GONNA MAKE IT A STIPULATION AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY GOT THIS APPROVAL, LIKE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A, A SOLID PLAN.
IT WASN'T THERE, THERE'S A PLAN BY THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS IN THERE.
UM, I WOULD REFERENCE, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT, BUT IT'S, UH, RAILS TO TRAILS THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON.
UM, IN SPRINGVILLE, IT'S ALSO HAPPENING IN ORCHARD PARK.
SO IT'S A COLLABORATIVE OF THE SNOWMOBILE NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY LAND, THERE'S ALSO WET LAND IN THERE.
BUT FOR THE DC, SO IF IT'S INSURANCE POLICY IS CARRIED BY ALL PARTIES ON THAT, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICS OF IT, BUT IT'S WORKED IN OTHER AREAS THAT THE ORCHARD PARK AND SPRING GOES RIGHT.
SO, SO ON RAILS TO TRAILS, THEY'LL USE THE RAILROAD EASEMENTS, THE FEDERAL PROGRAM.
UM, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA CARRY THE INSURANCE AND IT'S NOT THE RAILROAD COMPANY.
SO IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR PROCESS.
AND THE HAMMER DEVELOPMENT REALLY STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS SUMMER WILL BOTH BE OUR, OUR, OUR BIG MEETING AND PLANNING AND
SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SHEDS MORE LIGHT ON THAT.
[01:50:01]
AND WE DID, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE DEVELOPER.WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT NEXT DOOR.
AND HE'S AGREED TO THE SAME, THE SAME.
ALLOW IT TO GO THROUGH AND ENHANCE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE SIR? OKAY, SO I'M GONNA READ IT AND THEN WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
UH, WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DAVID MANKO FOR A PROPOSED CLUSTER SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED TWO SKETCHES, ONE ILLUSTRATING A SUBDIVISION MEETING, THE ZONING FOR LOCK COUNT AND ONE ILLUSTRATING THE CLUSTER.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AT SEVERAL PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED PUBLIC INPUT AND INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S CONSULTANTS, THE APPLICANTS AND TOWN COMMITTEES.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS COMPLETED THEIR REVIEWS AND BASED ON THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT LAW, WISHES TO MAKE A DECISION CONCERNING THE USE OF CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES THE FOLLOWING SUMMARIZED FINDINGS ON THE USE OF THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE FIVE ITEMS LISTED UNDER THE PURPOSE SECTION OF THE CLUSTER LAW.
A TO PERMIT FLEXIBILITY IN LAND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT BY ALLOWING FOR A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL DENSITY PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
THE PROPOSED CLUSTER DOES NOT INCREASE THE OVERALL DENSITY PERMITTED BY ZONING.
IT ALLOWS FOR SLIGHTLY SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS IN AN AREA OF SIMILAR SIZE, SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS B TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AN HARMONY WITH THE AESTHETICS QUALITIES OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND IN SO DOING, PROTECTING IMPORTANT AND OR SENSITIVE LANDS FROM DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT CONNECT TO OTHER IMPORTANT TOWN FEATURES AND WILL PROVIDE LARGE AREAS OF IMPORTANT LAND.
THE SITE CONTAINS NO IMPORTANT AND OR SENSITIVE LANDS AS DEPICTED IN THE TOWN PLAN.
THERE IS A TOWN PARK IN THE AREA, BUT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS STATED THAT THERE IS NOT A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TOWN PARK AREA.
THE PROJECT PROVIDES SOME AESTHETIC QUALITY PROTECTION BY HAVING INCREASED SETBACKS AND BUFFERS TO ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
UH, BUT DOES LITTLE ELSE FOR OTHER AESTHETIC QUALITIES IN THE AREA.
THERE IS AN EXISTING SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT THE CLUSTER WITH THE CLUSTER, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL WOULD NOT NEED TO BE MOVED AND THE TRAIL COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO A MULTI-SEASON MULTI-USE PUBLIC TRAIL.
C TO PERMIT FLEXIBILITY IN RESIDENTIAL LOT LAYOUT THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFE AND SAFETY ASPECTS DUE TO THE LOT LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
FINDING THE CLUSTER DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FEATURES OR IMPROVED LAYOUT THAT WOULD IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ASPECTS OVER THE REGULAR LAYOUT.
D TO MINIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENTS ON NON-LOCAL OR MINOR STREETS.
SO OUR, OUR FINDING WITH THE CONDITION IS THAT THE PROPOSED CLUSTER WOULD NOT INCLUDE LOTS FRONTING PARKER ROAD E TO MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ANY APPROPRIATE ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT FINDING.
THERE ARE NO ZONING OVERLAYS IN THIS AREA.
THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ILLUSTRATES THIS AREA AS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREA AND INCLUDES THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF VERY HIGH VARIED HOUSING TYPES, RURAL CHARACTER AND HIGHER DESIGN STANDARDS AND NO CUL-DE-SAC DEVELOPMENTS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONLY ILLUSTRATES A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL IN THE AREA AND NO OTHER FEATURES, UH, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MAKES THE FOLLOWING DECISION ON THE USE OF THE CLUSTER TO ALLOW THE CLUSTER WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
TWO, CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE RECREATION RIVER THREE, LIMIT THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TO NO MORE THAN 60 LOTS.
FOUR, ENHANCE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CLUSTER AND EXISTING RES RESIDENTS BY EXTENDING THE BURN ON PARKER ROAD IN ADDING LANDSCAPING.
[01:55:01]
ACCESS, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD WILL BE GATED.THE REQUIREMENT OF CLUSTER WILL BE TO MAINTAIN THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND ENHANCE THE TRAIL FOR A MULTI-SEASON PUBLIC TRAIL.
SO THAT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION? NO, SECOND.
WHAT WAS THAT? DENNIS
YOU COULD, IF YOU SECOND IT, YOU CAN STILL VOTE IT AGAINST NO MOTION.
RIGHT? I MEAN IF IF NOBODY'S WILLING TO SECOND IT, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR VOTES AGAINST IT.
GOING BACK AGAIN TO THE OTHER ONE YOU GUYS APPROVED LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.
WHY ARE WE BEING HELD A DIFFERENT STANDARD? WE MADE OUR DECISION AND THAT'S THE DECISION.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
CAN I ASK A PROCEDURE ON A QUESTION BILL? SURE.
SO WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION, NO ONE WAS GONNA SECOND IT.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BACK, THAT CAN BE BACK ON THE AGENDA AND I MEAN, I GUESS UM, I I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WHY DID I GET, I MEAN, EITHER WAY, IF THERE WAS NO SECOND, UM, AND EVEN ASSUMING THAT I WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I MADE THE RESOLUTION, THAT WOULD BE FIVE TO ONE.
EVEN IF DOUG WAS HERE AND ASSUMING DOUG WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING HE WOULD'VE OR HE WOULDN'T HAVE.
UM, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FIVE TWO.
SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE MOTION TO PASS.
UM, GIVEN THAT FIVE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WILL WILLING TO OFFER A SECOND, UH, I THINK WE CAN ALL CAN BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S A, A VOTE THAT'S NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO YOU DIDN'T PASS THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING CLUSTER, RIGHT? SO WE WE DIDN'T PASS THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE PARAGRAPH.
THIS PLEASE DON'T GIVE A PARTICULAR MEETING.
I WAS GONNA SAY I STILL THE MOTION.
OH, SO BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, DAVID MANKO MOTION, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SO I, I WAS SURPRISED I THOUGHT THIS SNOWMOBILE TRAIL WITH THE PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DUNNO IF I MADE A MEAN THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
I KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE HAD HER OR NOT.
SO, UH, LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA PLANNING WORK TO THIS.
I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE ALL CONFUSED TODAY HERE.
OKAY, SO WHAT, BY YOU DECIDING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA A CLUSTER, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES HE HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR OUR REGULAR SUBDIVISION? HE WOULD DECIDE TO APPLY FOR SUB NEVER APPLIED FOR SUB.
SO YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED A REGULAR SUBDIVISION'S.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, HE KIND OF IMPLIED TO ME THAT THE SUBDIVISIONS DONE DEAL, YOU KNOW, WELL AS, AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, IF IF IF THIS BOARD DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN THAT 50% OPEN SPACE THAT LED THEM TO SAY THE CLUSTER MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE TOWN LAW, THEN WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR SECRET PROCESS, WE'RE UNLIKELY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T PUT A SUBMARINE HERE.
BECAUSE WHAT WE JUST DECIDED IS THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING WE'RE IN THAT O ONE OPEN AREA WORTHY OF PROTECTING.
SO WHILE WE DIDN'T DO SEEKER, WHEN WE GO TO SEEKER, UNLESS SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WE HAVE THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT, YOULL FIND ANCIENT INDIAN BURIAL GROUND OR
[02:00:01]
SOMETHING.UM, THAT IT'LL BE VERY HARD FOR US TO WHAT WE CALL POSITIVE DECK, WHICH SENDS A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG THE SECRET PROCESS TO GET MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE WE ALREADY SAID THAT, THAT HALF OF IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH KEEPING.
SO, UM, SO WHILE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID IN THE BEGINNING IT, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WE, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY THERE'S NO SUBDIVISION AT ALL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO DO WITH HIS PROPERTY, WHAT IT'S ZONE, JUST LIKE ANY OF YOU HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY, WHAT, WHAT YOUR HOUSES ARE ZONED FOR.
SO, UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THAT PROCESS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR ALL THE ACCESSES INTO THIS STUFF, RIGHT? DOESN'T MEAN HE'S GONNA 67 HOMES.
WELL, YEAH, HE KIND OF APPLIED TO, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THOSE DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE, AND THIS IS WHERE SOMETHING MAY COME UP THERE, THERE MAY BE THAT THAT ONE POND THAT THEY PUT IN THERE MIGHT NOT BE BIG ENOUGH WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND THEY MAY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, SO, SO THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS MAY GET CUT DOWN BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO IN THERE.
UM, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD BE, UH, THAT YOU GUYS CAN WORK TOWARDS.
UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE PETITION WAS A STARTING POINT.
WE THOUGHT TO ELIMINATE THE DENSITY OF THE WHOLE PROJECT ONE, RIGHT? LET ALONE JUST ON OUR ROAD, WE'RE ALL ON TOP OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? SO NOW WHAT DO WE DO? HAVE IT, THE CLUSTERS OFF THE TABLE.
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE COME BACK TO.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY NOW UNDER THE CLUSTER IT'S GONNA BE A REGULAR SUBDIVISION AND ALL THE DECISIONS GET MADE AGAIN AS WHERE? 18TH OF NOVEMBER.
AND, AND THEY MAY TRY AND SUE US FOR THE, THE CLUSTER DECISION TOO.
THEY MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT BY THAT.
I JUST SAY, SO WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, YES.
ALL THE RESIDENTS BE NOTIFIED WITHIN, WHAT IS IT? NO, RESIDENTS AREN'T NOTIFIED.
SO I, I NOTIFY IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
SOME NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S COMING UP, BUT WE DUNNO IF HEARING, BUT YOU JUST SAY WE AND, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PUBLICLY, UH, IDENTIFY PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE, SO IT'LL BE IN THE SUM TOO.
SO, UM, SHE CHECK THERE AND IT'LL BE ON OUR WEBSITE, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO, SO THE, THE NOTICE THAT GOES OUT TO THE SUN GETS POSTED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
YOU CAN CALL SARAH, YOU CAN LOOK ON THE HAMBURG SUN, YOU CAN GO ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT IF THEY APPLY, THEY HAVE NO APPLICATION FOR THE TOWN.
NOW YOU'LL DECIDE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA APPLY.
AND THERE'S, IF YOU WANNA REALLY ENTERTAIN YOURSELF, LOOK AT THE TOWN SUBDIVISION LAW.
IT, IT'S ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
IT'S A LONG PROCESS WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
SO, SO LET'S, LET'S KIND OF, WE, WE STILL HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA, SO LET'S, WELL, THANK YOU.
YOU ALL KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO.
SO THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THE PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS REQUEST FROM A RESIDENT AT 5 9 9 0 LAKE CREST DRIVE TO ALTER AN EXISTING CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO WE DISCUSSED THIS UNDER OTHER BUSINESS LAST TIME AND WE DECIDED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY THE REQUEST FROM THE RESIDENT AT 5 9 9 0 LAKE REQUEST DRIVE TO ALTER THE EXISTING CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF THE PROPERTY BILL.
YOU WOULD WANNA CHANGE IT TO RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN BOARD DENIED IT.
RECOMMEND THE TOWN BOARD DENIED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS OUR DECISION.
SO I, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN BOARD DENY THE REQUEST FROM THE RESIDENT AT 5 9 9 0 LAKE TO ALTER THE EXISTING CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, WE DO HAVE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER.
WE HAVE OTHER, UM, THE, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS THE OTHER BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'VE DECIDED THAT, UM,
[02:05:01]
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A VERY SMALL 400 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION ON IT, ON THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEREFORE THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH WITH, OKAY.WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE WAIVER, SO WE, SO WE WON'T DO THE WAIVER.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO A SITE PLAN REVIEW.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR OTHER BUSINESS? NO.
UM, SO WE HAVE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.
UM, WE'VE GOT OCTOBER 7TH MINUTES TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETINGS FROM OCTOBER 7TH.
SECOND BY MRS. ALL IN FAVOR THAN AYE.
UM, AND I THINK MISSED ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, I'M ASSUMING, MAYBE ABSTAINING.
I THINK THAT THOSE OH, THAT IS RIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.