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HOW'S JENNIFER? I'M DOING WELL.
HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL, THANK YOU.
I VERY HAPPY TO SAY I'M VERY, VERY BUSY.
HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD.
I THE NEXT MEETING, I WON'T BE HERE.
YOU WON'T BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING? NO.
BREAK ALL SORTS OF LAWS AT THAT MEETING.
SO EVERYONE BEHAVE, LICK, DID.
BUT I WAY WE DID THAT WORK SESSION IS KIND OF YEAH.
TIME TO GET STARTED FOR THE NEXT I LIKE YOUR HAIRCUT, MEGAN.
I JUST START THIS THING WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
OKAY, EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WORK SESSION FOR THE NOVEMBER 4TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION.
THE PLANNING BOARD IS SEEING THESE FOR THE FIRST TIME, SO WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THESE PROJECTS BEFORE.
THE WORK SESSION IS JUST KIND OF, NO DECISIONS ARE MADE AT THE WORK SESSION AND, UM, IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE, THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANNA PAY THE FEE TO BE PUT ON FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
SO THEY'LL GIVE US, UH, SOME INFORMATION.
PLANNING BOARD WILL BE ASKED A FEW LITTLE QUESTIONS, BUT NOT MANY QUESTIONS, NOT THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS WE'D ASK IF THE PROJECT GOES EVEN FARTHER AND THE APPLICANT WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE REGULAR.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS BUCKET PRO LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF 5 3 8 1 OLD LAKE SHORE ROAD AND TWO ADJACENT PARCELS FROM R ONE TO C ONE IN ORDER TO CONVERT THE EXISTING CHURCH STRUCTURE INTO COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE.
DOES ANYONE HERE FOR THAT PROJECT? THAT WOULD BE US.
AROUND WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
HI, I'M MIKE ORTIZ WITH
UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH OWNER TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE PROPERTY IS ON OUR ONE CURRENTLY, UH, DOESN'T SUIT OUR NEEDS FOR OFFICE COMPLEX TO BE PUT THERE, SO THEREFORE WE CAN SUBMIT THE APPLICATION OF THE ASSOCIATED FEE TO REQUEST THAT ZONING CHANGE TAKE PLACE SO WE CAN CLOSE THE
CAN YOU, UH, MOST OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS AND HOW IT OPERATES AND SURE.
YOU KNOW, UH, BUCKET PRO LLC IS A EXCAVATION AND FOUNDATION CONTRACTOR.
UH, WE DO SOME REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UNDER OUR PORTFOLIO.
UH, WE PUT IN A LOT FOUNDATIONS.
WE WORK EVERYWHERE FROM OVER DOWN BUFFALO, SO WE NEED TO ESSENTIALLY A LOCATED OFFICE SPACE FOR US TO
SO, AND IDEALLY WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MOVE INSURANCE COMPANY, REAL ESTATE COMMERCIAL.
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C1 INSURANCE ON THE REAL ESTATE.IS THAT RELATED TO YOUR BUSINESS? THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE BUSINESS I OWN, YES.
INSURANCE AND THEN THE EXCAVATING.
AND IDEALLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE DOWN THE GARAGES THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE THAT I CALL THE SOUTH SIDE AND MOVE IT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN WE PLAN TO AESTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE GOLDEN, THE CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, NEW WINDOWS, NEW EXTERIOR SING AND JUST REMODEL THE S INSIDE.
I'VE HAD SOME CALLS FROM, UM, NEARBY RESIDENTS WHO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY OUTSIDE, ANY VEHICLES STORED OUT OUTSIDE.
THAT ONE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE GARAGE TO THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO, FOR ANY EQUIPMENT THAT WE EVER DO THE YARD AND BE INSIDE AND GO NO OUTSIDE STORAGE.
NO, WE WOULDN'T, AN OUTSIDE STORAGE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED EVEN IF IT WAS RESOLVED.
SO EVEN, EVEN IF THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PLAN, IT IT WOULD BE.
YEAH, NO, NOT, AND THAT, AND THIS IS THE SIGN REFERRED TO THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
THIS IS A DECISION ULTIMATELY TO BE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DOES IS GATHER INFORMATION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TOWN BOARD.
ONCE THE TOWN BOARD HAS THAT INFORMATION, THEY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON, ON THE RESOLVING.
SO THE REZONING CAN BE APPROVED, IT CAN BE DENIED, OR IT CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
A LOT OF TIMES REZONINGS LIKE THIS ARE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
IF IT IS APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A UNIQUE USE, WE'RE NOT GONNA REZONE IT TO COMMERCIAL, ALLOW ALL THESE COMMERCIAL USES.
IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON IT, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AND WHATEVER.
SO IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THIS DEFINITELY WOULD'VE CONDITIONS ON IT.
BUT AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE TO DO OUR JOB AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS MAKES SENSE OR NOT.
IT, SO THE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND TWO ADJACENT PARCELS.
WHICH TWO PARCELS ARE YOU ASKING TO HAVE REZONED? UH, IS THAT THE SITE MAP THERE? YEAH, WHEN THE CURRENT OWNER
IT WAS THAT CORNER OF TRIANGLE ROAD THERE AND YES, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.
THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IS HERE.
SO IT'S THE ONE RIGHT HERE BECAUSE, AND THEN THAT GARAGE SITS RIGHT HERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT GUY DOESN'T WANT THAT NEXT TO HIS PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT JUST PUTTING IT ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO GET IT AWAY FROM DO YOU USE THE ENTIRE BUILDING? CORRECT? YES.
IS IT CLOSE TO THE ROAD? IS IT CLOSE TO THE ROAD? YEAH, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE ROAD.
SEE, THIS IS, IT WASN'T THIS ONE BASICALLY OFFICE'S.
WHAT I ESTATE, WHATEVER STAFF WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WARD DID AUTHORIZE US TO START COORDINATING WITH YOU.
I THINK WE ABOUT ANOTHER THREE WEEKS LEFT.
AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS NO ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN, RIGHT? PARDON ME? THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN IN THIS, UH, LAKEVIEW AREA SAYS TO NOT, IT, IT TELLS US NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A REASON WHY THIS FIT WITH THAT PLAN IF YOU WERE GONNA GO THAT WAY.
BUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IT, THE PLAN DISCOURAGES THIS.
WELL, I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A RELIGIOUS FACILITY, SO, BUT IT, IT, IT'S A PART PART OF THE TOWN.
IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SPOT.
IT'S, BUT IT SAYS IT LAKEVIEW.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ADD ANY MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
THEY WANTED LAKEVIEW TO BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND CONTINUE AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THAT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DO NEED TO BE AWARE OF GOING FORWARD.
WHAT, WHAT, AND JUST TO BUILD UPON THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE REAL GOOD REASONING THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRESENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS NO MORE REZONINGS THAN THEY LIKE COMMERCIAL.
WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN DOING THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE SENDING THE MESSAGE OR SENDING PRECEDENT THE FACT THAT, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN COME IN AND OTHER PROPERTIES AND ASK WHERE YOU, YOUR ZONE COMMERCIAL.
OUR LOGIC AND REASONING IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
NOT ACTUALLY THE REZONING BECAUSE WE'LL BE SETTING PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE ACTION.
WE DON'T WANNA SEND THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE.
OH, BY THE WAY, WE'VE CHANGED THE IDEA.
WE WANT MORE COMMERCIAL, WE WANNA
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REZONE MORE PROPERTY COMMERCIAL.SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD REASONING AND SAY WHY IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION.
AND THIS COULD BE A UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH STRUCTURE REALLY CAN'T BE USED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO, UM, IT IT, RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND BILL SAYS WE HAVE TO BE BUILDING A CASE FOR IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'S NO WAY THE TOWN SHOULD DO THIS.
IT'S NOT, AND IDEALLY WE'RE ONLY GONNA ACT, TIE THE SPACE MONEY THROUGH FRIDAY BASE BASICALLY ON A NINE TO FIVE BASIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT BE A 24 HOUR OCCUPIED OFFICE SPACE.
THE HARD PART ABOUT THAT IS, IS THAT WE, UH, THE TOWN CANNOT CONTROL BUSINESS HOURS.
PEOPLE WOULD ASK US ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A BUSINESS LIKE YOURS IS NOT A 24 HOUR OPERATION TYPICALLY, SO AT LEAST IT BLENDS A LITTLE BETTER.
BUT WE CAN'T PUT A CONDITION, YOU CAN ONLY OPERATE THE EIGHT IN THE MORNING UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
WE, THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE THAT POWER.
IT'S BEEN SHOWN IN COURT AND WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY OVER THERE THAT YOU CANNOT CONTROL.
CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATIONS IS A BUSINESS ISSUE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUCKET? PRO REZONING? YEAH, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY THEY'RE INTERESTED IN A REZONING OR WHETHER OR NOT A USE VARIANCE WOULD'VE BEEN A FEASIBLE OPTION THERE.
MAYBE DREW CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT'LL WORK BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS ONLY OWNED IT FOR A YEAR.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BEEN, THEY HAVE TO SHOW
SO THEY CAN'T SHOW THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
THERE'S NO WAY HE'S GONNA GET USED IN MY, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR THREE YEARS AND HE COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY ELSE TO BUY IT.
MR. ANO BOUGHT IT LAST YEAR AND NOW HE'S
SO ONE OF, OF, YEAH, ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE VARIANCE WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS ONE OF MY CONCERNS HERE IS JUST THAT IF WE REZONE THIS PARCEL TO C TWO, C ONE, C ONE THEY, OR SORRY, C ONE, THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN SHOOT THAT AND THEY CAN USE THAT NOW, BUT WHO'S TO PREVENT SOME DIFFERENT C1 USE DIFFERENT OPERATING HOURS OR OTHER THINGS HAPPENING.
RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE POINT I TALKED ABOUT.
IF WE WERE TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD COME WITH CONDITION.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESTRICT OTHER COMMERCIAL USES ON THIS SITE.
AND HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT IS YOU WOULD PUT, MAKE THEM PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY AND WE PUT CONDITIONS ON.
AND THAT'S, IF YOU SELL THIS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS USE IS ALLOWED.
I CAN PUT UP A, UH, UH, SMALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT HERE OR WHATEVER.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION AND A CONDITION, UH, PLACED IN THE TOWN THAT THERE ARE, THESE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT WE'D HAVE TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
AND JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, AS THE APPLICANTS, THAT'S, UH, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS WITH A REZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO ON SOUTHWESTERN A FEW MONTHS AGO.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT OUR MINUTES FOR THAT, WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD HAD SOME SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT REZONING AND OPENING SOMETHING UP FOR ALL OF THOSE USES UNDER C ONE.
UH, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THE WAY WE, WE WENT THROUGH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE WORK SESSION? DENNIS, YOU'RE MUTED.
I JUST, DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S ALREADY ZONED C ONE, UH, ASKING YES, THAT, DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY PROPERLY ZONED FOR YOUR BUSINESS? UH, WE DID.
WE ACTUALLY WERE IN NEGOTIATING TO TRY AND PURCHASE SOME OTHER PROPERTY FURTHER DOWN TO LAKESHORE THERE THAT WAS, UH, ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT BY THE TIME YOU WERE ABLE DEAL WITH THEM.
SO THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST SUITABLE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT KINDA REALLY WORKS FOR WHAT WE DO.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THE SUBWAY STORE AND THEN THERE'S THAT DOG ACROSS THE STREET AND THE COUNTRY CLUB KIND OF CORNER STUFF.
SO I KNOW WE'RE KINDA RIGHT THERE ON THAT.
AND, AND THE PLANNING BOARD CAN LOOK AT, JUST TO UNDERSTAND FOR EVERYBODY IN AN R ONE ZONE, WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW IN AN R ONE ZONE IS, IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NON-PROFIT, ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOLS, PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND PUBLIC MUSEUMS. AND BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU CAN HAVE BARNS FOR STORAGE PURPOSES.
IT ALSO ALLOWS, UH, CHURCHES AND OTHER PLACES OF WORSHIP.
AND FIRE STATION WITHOUT CLUB FACILITIES, THOSE ARE THE CURRENT THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE R ONE ZONES.
IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH SOME OTHER LARGER USAGE.
C ONE I'M NOT GONNA READ ALLOWS A GREAT DEAL OF USAGE
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TO IT.SMALLER TYPE C TWO IS OUR BIG ONE.
C ONE IS SMALLER, TYPICALLY 15,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
RETAIL HOTELS, MOTELS, I MEAN, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF WHAT'S ALLOWED TO SEE ONE DISTRICT.
SO, UH, AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS JUST THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN ASK THEM.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT HERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE GOING ON IN THE MEETING MEETING.
BUT BEFORE ANY DECISIONS MADE AT A REGULAR MEETING BEFORE WE MAKE A MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN, TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
THERE'S PLENTY OF WAYS TO GET INPUT, BUT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE'VE GOT THREE OTHER ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION AND A MEETING THAT STARTS IN 15 MINUTES THAT WE'D LIKE TO START ON TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE DON'T START OFF WITH, WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA TALK TO THE PERSON WHO'S PROPOSING THE PROJECTS, FEEL FREE TO TALK TO THEM, BUT NOT IN THIS ROOM.
UM, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM TO US.
WE WILL READ THEM, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT FORMALLY.
SO UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO GET PUBLIC INPUT, BUT PLEASE SEND US EMAILS AND LETTERS OR CALL US AND THERE WILL BE A MEETING WHERE WE WILL TAKE QUESTION.
SO WE'RE SAYING BASICALLY THIS BE A MULTI-MONTH PROCESS YES.
REZONING, THAT'S GONNA HELP US REZONING.
TAKE THREE MONTHS, SOMETIMES BOARD, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE LOCAL LAWS, RIGHT? WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING AND THEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT GOES TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD WILL ACTUALLY VOTE.
SO WE'LL TAKE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE TOWN BOARD WILL ALSO TAKE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THE MONTHS TO COME.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA JUST BE, HAPPEN REALLY QUICKLY.
SO, SO BILL, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE TABLED FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
THAT WAY THE RESIDENT CAN SUBMIT THEIR COMMENT.
WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT BECAUSE AS SARAH SAID, WE WON'T HAVE ALL THE INPUT FROM THE AGENCIES YET, ONCE WE GET INPUT TO THE EARLIEST DECISION.
TIME FOR THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE PROBABLY AT OUR FIRST DECEMBER MEETING WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ALL THEIR INFORMATION ANSWER HYPOTHE, HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT'D BE SCENARIO RIGHT? THAT THAT'D BE THE ABSOLUTE QUICKEST SIGN OF THE LAW.
IT'S UNLIKELY TO BE THAT FAST, I WOULD THINK.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH COMMENT WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
SO THAT WILL ADD A FEW WEEKS TO THE PROCESS PROBABLY.
WELL, WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
THEY, TWO OF THE THREE PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THE WATERFRONT AREA, SO WE HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE WATER.
IT HAS TO GO TO THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE US INPUT.
I, AND THEY MEET, THEY'RE PROBABLY MEETING, THEY MEET MEETING WHEN, WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THEM TO MEET.
RIGHT? THEY'RE, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL MEET BEFORE NOVEMBER 18TH.
UM, BUT THEY'LL MEET BEFORE OUR DECEMBER 2ND MEETING.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
UH, SARAH WILL GET THAT, BUT I REALLY SHOULD KNOW WHEN THAT IS BECAUSE I'M ON THAT COMMITTEE.
I HAVE ACTUALLY, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE 12TH, THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO THEM BEFORE THE 12TH.
DO YOU HAVE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US TO RESEARCH THE TOWN ENGINEER, TO RESEARCH THE TOWN, THE THE PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US TO RESEARCH FOR? HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THIS USING, GOING FROM A CHURCH TO THIS KIND OF ZONE? HAMBURG, I'VE DEALT IN A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT HAMBURG, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING IN THE NEAR PAST ABOUT A CONVERSION OF THE CHURCH.
OH, OH YEAH, THE BOSTON NEXT THERE.
BUT THAT WAS A REALLY SMALL PERSON CONVERT HOUSE, THE HOUSE SO THAT, THAT WOULDN'T NEED A REZONING BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS ALL ONE ANYWAY.
AND THAT WAS A VERY SMALL HOUSE SIZE.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
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A MOTION TO TABLE BUCKET PRO LLC TO NOVEMBER 18TH, SECOND.OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JSEK HAMBURG, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH FACILITY ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE LOCATION THAT, OKAY, SO THIS IS THE, THE SAME AS THE OTHER PROJECT I REFERENCED FOR THEM AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, THIS PARCEL DOESN'T ACTUALLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT WHERE THE PARCELS IN A SECOND.
CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS, CHRIS WOOD EZ A RECALL, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU ON A DIFFERENT SITE LOCATED FURTHER DOWN ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WITHIN AN EXISTING OFFICE PART.
ULTIMATELY, UH, LATE THIS SPRING, THIS, THIS BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION AGAINST THE REZONING THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL FROM C ONE TO C TWO.
WE THEN WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD, HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY.
INDICATIONS WERE THE TOWN BOARD AND I THINK LARGELY RELYING ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF REZONING OF THAT SITE RATHER THAN ASKED FOR DECISION.
MR. SPINO, UH, HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY IN INCORPORATING THE INPUT YOU RECEIVED FROM THIS BOARD TO TRY AND FIND A SITE THAT NUMBER ONE IS PROPERLY ZONED C TWO, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS THE PARCEL ITSELF FRONTS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE REAR OF THE PARCEL IS ON RILEY.
AND WHERE ONE PARCEL IN FROM BOTH SOUTH PARK AND BAY, IT'S ACTUALLY ZERO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE.
AND WE HAVE HANDED OUT NARROW PHOTOGRAPH.
TRACTOR SUPPLY IS LOCATED ON THE PARCEL DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
SO IN ADDITION TO THIS SITE BEING PROPERLY ZONE STILL OF COURSE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED BY THIS BOARD WAS ACCESSED ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE BY SRF ASSOCIATES OUTTA ROCHESTER.
AND THIS BOARD ASKED, WELL, WHAT COULD BE DONE SPECIFICALLY TO IMPROVE TURNING MOVEMENTS DURING WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOURS? LEFT HAND TURNS ONTO THE ROADWAY.
AND DAVID CRUZA, WHO WAS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER PRESENT AT THAT MEETING, SAID, WELL, NOT MUCH.
YOU WOULD NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR A CENTER, A CENTER TURN LANE ON SOUTHWESTERN.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
WE HAVE FOUND A SITE THAT WAS PROPERLY ZONE.
IT IS ALREADY LIMITED IN TERMS OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO WRITE OUT ONLY.
SO IN TERMS OF MITIGATING TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THAT'S A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITE.
WE ALSO HAVE FRONTAGE ON RODNEY BOULEVARD AND MR. ESPINO, AGAIN, BASED ON INPUT FROM THIS BOARD, THOUGHT YOU WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS ONTO RILEY, WHICH THEN OF COURSE LEADS YOU TO BAYVIEW AND SOUTH PARK.
SO CHRIS IS SHOWING THAT ON THE PLAN.
THAT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE THERE, BUT WE'RE DOING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IT'S ALSO, IT GOES INTO THE PARKING LOT OF TRACTOR SUPPLY IN EXCESS OF SOUTHWESTERN EXISTING.
EXISTING WRITING RIGHT DOWN DRIVEWAY HERE OR RIGHT OUT WOULDN'T CHANGE.
WOULDN'T CHANGE, WOULDN'T CHANGE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING SAC ON SITE IN THE BACK.
WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON, RIGHT? SO ANTICIPATION WASN'T AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED, THAT ROAD WOULD THROUGH, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHEN YOU PULL IN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, YOU TAKE A LEFT TO GO INTO TRACTOR PARKING LOT, IT WOULD TAKE A RIGHT TO AND AND IT'S ANTICIPATED WHEN THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED THAT THIS DRIVEWAY CONTINUED OVER TO ACCESS THAT, THAT PARCEL.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE SRF JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS SRF ASSOCIATES IS IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT'S BE DONE.
SO THE THREE, THE THREE TOPICS THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD WERE CONCERN ABOUT REZONING FROM C ONE TO C TWO SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THAT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING.
AND SECONDLY THAT THERE WERE A WHOLE HOST OF USES THAT ARE COMMITTED IN C TWO THAT THIS BOARD BELIEVE WERE NOT APPROPRIATE.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS 26 SEPARATE USES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED
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THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.SECOND WAS TRAFFIC, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BY HAVING TO WRITE OUT ONLY ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, THE REAR ACCESS TO RILEY.
AND THEN THIRD, THE TOPIC YOU DISCUSSED WAS ARCHITECTURE.
AND BASICALLY A RECOMMENDATION WAS IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE.
YES, IT DOES MEET THE TOWN STANDARDS.
THIS IS A APPROXIMATELY $4.5 MILLION PROJECT.
SO I WANNA PRESENT THIS TO YOU ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS.
THE OTHER THING I WANNA NOTE THAT WHILE IT'S NOT IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD, THIS SITE COSTS 50% MORE PER ACRE THAN THE OTHER SITE.
SO IT REALLY SHOWS YOU MR. SPIN'S COMMITMENT TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WERE IDENTIFIED, THIS BOARD.
SO I WANNA GIVE YOU AN INITIAL PRESENTATION, BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME, AND THEN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS PROCEED WITH THE FILING OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE OF COURSE THEN CHRIS AND HIS TEAM HAVE TO DESIGN THE ENGINEERING FOR THE SITE.
AND WE WILL INCLUDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WITH OUR SUBMISSION AND A SUBDIVISION.
IT'LL BE A MINOR SUB PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS PARCEL.
WE'LL, CHRIS, JUST OUT PARCEL.
OH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ONE.
THEY'RE BOTH OWNED BY THE SAME, SO YOU DON'T WANNA BE ON IN TWO WEEKS.
SAME VACUUMS. THIS, THIS SAME STACKING.
YEAH, THIS ACTUALLY HAS I THINK ONE MORE STACKING SPACE.
THIS ONE I THINK WORKS BETTER THAN, YEAH, RILEY, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK.
AND I REALLY THINK THE RIGHT OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN REALLY THAT WAS, I THINK THE BOARD'S BIGGEST CONCERN IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC WAS SPECIFICALLY WEEKDAY PM P THAT WE COULDN'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TAKING A LEFT OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY FOR AN OFFICE CAR, BOB.
YEAH, NO, BECAUSE YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID WHEN YOU PULL IN, SO YOU PULL TO THE LEFT, YOU GO INTO THE TRACTOR SUPPLY, THEN YOU PULL TO THE RIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF ROOM.
AND THEN WE'RE ENVISIONING WHEN THIS PARCEL DEVELOP IF AND ONE IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK FROM A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE DESIGNED IT.
SO THAT CAN BE EXTENDED INTO THAT PARCEL AS WELL.
SO WE'RE HOPING THIS WILL, UH, RECEIVE FAVORABLE VIEWS FROM THIS BOARD, BUT WE WANTED TO WELCOME ANY INPUT, UH, BEFORE CHRIS PROCEED WITH THE ENGINEERING.
YEAH, I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT, UH, ACCESS ROAD WHERE COMING IN FROM RILEY UHHUH, UH, IS THAT GONNA, IS THAT GONNA BE A PRIVATE OR OR IS THE TOWN GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? EV EVERYTHING ON SITE, INCLUDING THAT ACCESS DRIVE WILL BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND PRIVATELY MAINTAINED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS KIND OF UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S A WORK SESSION, BUT WE'VE SEEN A DIFFERENT ADDITION OF THIS PROJECT ALREADY RECENTLY.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH HAVING THEM PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SUBDIVISION REQUEST AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL? SITE PLAN APPROVAL? NO.
SO WHEN DID YOU WANT TO COME BACK OR? WE GOTTA GET RIGHT NOW.
SO PROBABLY MONTH, PROBABLY A MONTH.
I THINK SARAH WILL JUST LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE READY.
GENERALLY TABLE UNTIL, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
AND I HAVE TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THIS WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN EIS OR JUST A FULL BLOWN FBAF OR WHATEVER THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PART THERE WAS WHEN THEY PUT IN RILEY BOULEVARD AND WHATEVER, I KNOW THERE WAS A BIG STUDY DONE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS DONE IN THE FORMAT OF AN EIS OR JUST AN EXPANDED PARTI OF A, OF AN FEAF.
I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT OUT IF YOU JUST LOST OUT.
I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND THE RECORD FOR THAT.
AND WE ENVISION WHEN YOU GET THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA DO A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
WE, UNLESS THERE WAS A-G-E-I-S NUMBER, I CAN'T WELL WE'LL CHECK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TOO, BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE A COPY.
YEAH, THE NEVER COPY OF IT RIGHT.
IS THE ONE WAS SCO OPEN YET? NOPE.
WE'RE GOING BACK FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL NEXT WEEK, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, WHATEVER DAY.
SO WE REVISED THE ENTIRE LAYOUT IN THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND YEAH.
ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JSEK, HAMBURG, LLC.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 2 3 3 0 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
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GOOD EVENING.HES AND THE OWNERS OF GOLF CART UNLIMIT.
WE ARE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT, NOT 18,000 SQUARE FOOT.
SO WE, WE, UM, OUR BUSINESS, WE, WE BUILD GOLF CARTS, WE SELL GOLF CARTS, RENT, GOLF CARTS.
AND WE'RE POINT NOW WE HAVE A A 1200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN LAKEVIEW WHERE WE'RE OUTTA SPACE.
WE'D LIKE TO BRING MORE, MORE INVENTORY STORED INSIDE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A FULL STORAGE ADDITION TO OUR EXISTING BUILDING.
SO WE'LL SEE THE SECOND PLAN APPROVAL.
IT'S, UH, 1,880 SQUARE FOOT AND THIS BUILDING WAS APPROVED LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO THIS WAS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO YOU BUILT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING? YES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ADDITION? ALL JUST COMPLETELY STORAGE.
AND IT'S IN THE BACK SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD OR ANY PLACE ACCESS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW? NO.
BUT THEY, BUT THEY ARE, IT'S NOT PAVED THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING, IT'S NOT PAVED, BUT THERE'S NO TREES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU WANT TO COME BACK FOR THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 18TH? WE DO.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD ON.
OH, SARAH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING? WE HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU VACCINATED, DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS GOLF CART EDITION ON THE 18TH? UM, IT'S, NO, NO OBJECTION.
BUT, UM, DO YOU GUYS, ARE YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO CALL THIS ADDITION TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S GONNA BE IDENTICAL COLORS TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WAS ON THE PLANS BECAUSE OKAY.
WE, WE DID HAVE AN ADDITION THAT, UH, A COLOR RENDERING PLEASE.
'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WE HAD AN ADDITION AND THEY GAVE US A BLACK AND WHITE RENDERING AND WE THOUGHT THAT THE BUILDING WAS GONNA MATCH.
AND WHEN THEY PUT THE ADDITION ON THE ADDITION WAS BLACK AND WHITE AND THE BUILDING WAS RED IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY COLORS THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE EXPECTED.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED FOR NOVEMBER 18TH.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE 18TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S IT FOR THE WORK SESSION.
UM, WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
WHOEVER PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FRAUD.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LUCIA'S REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A BUILDING ADDITION AT 4 1 5 1 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
AND I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED, IF THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD CONSIDER GOING THROUGH AND DECIDING ON, UH, A RESOLUTION.
ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LUCIA'S ADDITION? AND, AND JUST TO NOTE ON THE RECORD, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING IS THAT, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES ON THE SITE WITH THE PARKING LOCATION, SOME OF IT ACTUALLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE TOWN HIGHWAY.
THEY ARE PURSUING SOMETHING WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
THEY EITHER BUY MORE PROPERTY OR GET AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER.
IF THEY WERE GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODES OF THE TOWN.
I DIDN'T THEY SAY THE LAST TIME THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE SPOT BEHIND THEM.
UM, JIM BAMEL ARCHITECT WORKING WITH
UH, WE ARE IN CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN RIGHT NOW TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT HIGHWAY TO SAY, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO EITHER EASEMENT LONG TERM USE OR
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PURCHASE 17 FEET OF THAT HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH PUTS ALL THAT PARKING BACK ON THE PROPERTY.UM, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING BE BEHIND, YOU'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING BEHIND IT.
RIGHT? THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THAT MORE THAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE THIS TAKES AWAY FOUR SPOTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ANY QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
CAITLIN, DO YOU HAVE THE NOTICE? I DO.
UH, NO NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LUCIA'S RESTAURANT TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING EDITION AT 41 51 LAKESHORE ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN VIA HAMBURG TOWN HALL, AND WILL BE LIVE STREAM TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE ON TRIP HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON LAIA.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? UH, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST LUCIAS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE HERE FOR THE LUCIAS PROJECT? YEP.
UM, DOES ANYONE WANT TO CHECK THE FACEBOOK PAGE AND PUT IT OFF? THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S FILED.
BEING THAT THERE ARE NO COMMENTS EITHER ON FACEBOOK OR IN PERSON, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOUG, DO YOU WANNA READ THE RESOLUTION? I'M TRYING TO DO IT.
AND, AND DOUG, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE, THERE'S QUESTION ON CONDITION.
DO YOU WANT TWO CONDITIONS? ONE BEING THAT THEY CONTINUE THEIR WORK WITH THE TOWN ON THE, ON THE MARKING ISSUE WITHIN LASALLE RIGHT AWAY.
AND TWO WOULD BE THE, THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDED IF IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WATERFRONT.
BUT I DO NEED A COPY OF THE WAF FOR FILE.
SO SECOND EDITION IS THAT THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE PROVIDE US TO A WAF FOR OUR FILES.
LIKE I SAID, WE GET AUDITED AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THE FILE.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TIME OF THE HAMBURG PLAYING BOARD HAS REVIEWED LEIA'S PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 1 5 1 LAKESHORE ROAD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SECRET LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
6 1 7 0.5, SUBSECTION C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF A SEEKER PROCESS.
PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CHIS PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 1 5 1 LAKESHORE ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN OF HAMPERED FOR THE PARKING.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE WATERFRONT.
UH, WAF SHEET HAS TO BE RECEIVED YET.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW, SECOND BY MRS. UFFORD.
ALL DID I GET RIGHT THIS MR. MCCORMICK? NO.
I WAS, I WAS MESSING IT UP THE OTHER WAY BEFORE, BUT, OKAY.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR RACE SHEDS REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO OPERATE A STORAGE SHED MANUFACTURING BUSINESS AT 4 3 0 7 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
UH, IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, WE MIGHT GO FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION.
UM, AND I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THIS FROM TWO WEEKS AGO.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT RACE SHEDS PROJECT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
SO WE CAN START THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND WILL BE LIVE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
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RIGHT.AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR RACE SHEDS.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON RACE SHEDS? YES.
UH, LAURA S 43 32 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
THERE'S A PLACE IN THERE NOW, IS THIS GONNA BE INSIDE THE VICTORY FIRE? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? IS THIS GONNA BE INSIDE THE VICTORY THREE FIRE HALL, THE OLD VICTORY THREE FIRE? YES.
AND THERE IS A, IS THERE A FITNESS PLACE STILL IN THERE? YES, BUT SHE'S UM, SHE'LL BE LEAVING.
FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST RACE SHEDS? UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON RACE SHEDS? AND I ALSO AM CHECKING THE LIVE STREAM AND THERE ARE NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME FOR THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON RACE SHEDS.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE CONDITION THAT THERE'S NO OUTSIDE STORAGE DISPLAY OR ANY ACTIVITIES.
THEY CONSTRUC THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S PART OF HIS PLAN ANYWAY.
UM, ANY OTHER CONDITIONS WE THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS RESOLUTION? NO.
DOUG, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEAR STATE SEEKER LAW, THE THOMAS HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE RAY SHEDS PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES OPERATING A STORAGE SHED MANUFACTURING BUSINESS IN THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 3 0 7 SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT REQUIRES A USE VARIANCE, WHICH IS GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEAL AND A NATIVE DECLARATION WAS ISSUED AT THAT TIME.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE RACE SHEDS PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 3 0 7 SOUTH PARK AVENUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
ONE NO OUTSIDE STORAGE, DISPLAY OR ACTIVITIES WILL BE ALLOWED.
AND I BELIEVE, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, JENNIFER, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK THEM TO PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY.
JUST NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN AND ANY APPROVALS THAT THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE, ET CETERA, JUST SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE RIGHT.
SO WELL IS AND AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN, THEN THAT'S EASIER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO KNOW THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE SITE PLAN.
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE PULLS IT OUT THAT'S NOT BEEN AROUND THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S THAT RESTRICTION.
THAT DOESN'T NEED TO GO ON A DEEP RESTRICTION.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MIKE SCHULTZ REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO OPERATE A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO THIS IS, IT'S THE MINI GOLF PLACE AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT A BIG FENCE IN THE BACK.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
CAITLIN NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HANDLING PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY MIKE SCHULTZ TO OPERATE A JOINT IN RECOVERY IN AREA AT 55 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL ARE REQUIRED.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN VIA PAM TOWN HALL, AND WILL BE LIVE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE NOT TO OF PAMPER NEW YORK.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MIKE SCHULTZ.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO GIVE IT A, THAT SPEAK ON THE MIKE SCHULTZ PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE FOR OR AGAINST THE MIKE SCHULTZ TOWING PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON MIKE SCHULTZ? OKAY.
BEING NO COMMENTS IN PERSON AND NO COMMENTS ONLINE, I WILL, WE DON'T HAVE RESOLUTIONS
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ON THIS, RIGHT? RIGHT.YOU'D HAVE TO AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION.
WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, SARAH'S GONNA WRITE UP A RESOLUTION WITH SUPPORT OF THE FOUR CRITERIA.
THE GENERAL CRITERIA, HARMONY AND GENERAL PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE CHAPTER WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH AND SAFETY, WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER AND WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL.
AND THEN THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR TOWING AND RECOVERY, WHICH IS THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
THEY SHOW THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL DO A YEARLY INSPECTION, PURE INSPECTION, AND THAT THEY HAVE TO INDICATE WHERE THEY'RE STORING CARS, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE THAT.
IT'S A, IS IT A, WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL IS IT? UH, THEY HAVE TO INDICATE IS THAT A PAVE BLOCK OR IS IT A GRAVEL LOG? IT'S GRAVEL.
AND WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT TO ENGINEERS.
WE'LL REVIEW THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
CAROL, DID YOU RECEIVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE BUILDING SHOWN ON IT? I HAVE ONE THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE BUILDING ON IT.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE IT THOUGH.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS ONLY CHANGED.
WE'LL EMAIL YOU THE REVISED ONE AGAIN, ALL WE'RE DOING IS PREPARING POTENTIAL RESOLUTION FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.
SO, SO BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHAT I'LL, WHAT I'LL DO IS, UNLESS THERE'S, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS, WE CAN LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 18TH IN CASE THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, BUT WE CAN AUTHORIZE THE CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS AND AS LONG AS THERE'S NO COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT COME IN BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER 18TH, WE CAN ACT ON THE RESOLUTION.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS ON MIKE SCHULTZ TOWING OPERATION MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
AND WE WILL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A BUILDING ADDITION AT 4 8 4 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
YEAH, I SAID 4 8 5 8 4 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO I'M TRYING TO PULL UP OUR NOTES ON THIS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT? IT IS AN ADDITION AT BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER.
DID WE GET A RENDERING OF THE ADDITION? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID, DID WE? I DON'T THINK WE DID.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S THE GARAGE DOOR.
WHY SHOULD DOING THAT? IF YOU REMEMBER WE TABLED THIS, WE DID NOT SET A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, BECAUSE YOU WANTED, WE WANTED TO SEE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
YOU HADN'T SEEN THE DRAWINGS AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, WHERE AM I LOOKING? WHAT AM I DOING? UM, CAN ANYBODY SEE THAT? CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE GARAGE DOOR WILL LOOK LIKE.
BASICALLY IT'S A WHITE DOOR WITH BLUE SIDING AROUND IT.
CAN YOU STEP FORWARD SLIGHTLY? SARAH
BAD PART ABOUT THIS IS THE ADDITION IS AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
MOST OF IT WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT? DOUG, YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, SO, NO.
SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 18TH? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER FOR NOVEMBER 18TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BROADWAY GROUP,
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LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.ALRIGHT, SO HAVE, HAVE WE HAVE ANY CHANGES SINCE OUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO? HI, GOOD EVENING.
UM, THIS IS TARA WITH THE BROADWAY GROUP.
I, UM, I DID NOT HAVE ANY CHANGE IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK.
I BELIEVE THAT WE WERE STILL PENDING, UH, SOME SORT OF DETERMINATION OR PATH FORWARD REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
AND, UM, I WAS HOPING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE LETTER THAT WAS BEING DRAFTED, UM, FOR SUBMISSION
AND SO I, I THINK THAT AT THIS MEETING IT WAS ONE OF THE BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BIG AGENDA ITEMS. WE WERE HOPING TO MOVE DOWN THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
SO YEAH, BEFORE OUR LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER, I, I DID WRITE THAT LETTER AND I SHARED IT WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT? YES.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY, YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD THOUGH, THE LETTER, I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION ON IT AND I, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS DID THE DOT MAKE A DECISION OR DID THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? THAT WAS MY ONLY CLARIFICATION THAT I WOULD'VE ADDED IS, UM, OTHER
SO ON ON THE, THE DOT'S DECISION FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO BE ON HEALTHS, WAS THAT A RECOMMENDATION OR WAS THAT A DECISION? OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT SARAH'S TALKED TO THE DOT AND WE'RE SEEING THIS ISSUE THROUGHOUT WESTERN NEW YORK AND PROBABLY MUCH IN NEW YORK STATE.
NOW REMEMBER IF YOU HAD, IF YOU HAVE FRONTAGE ON STATE HIGHWAY, THE DOT IS SUPPOSED TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THAT STATE HIGHWAY.
THEIR POLICY NOW IS THAT IF YOU'RE ON A CORNER LOT ONTO A STATE HIGHWAY, THEY, THEY WANT THE, THE ENTRANCE ONTO THE SIDE ROAD.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE DOT HAS ACCESS MANAGEMENT, THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND HAVE LESS DRIVEWAYS ON THEIR, ON THEIR STATE HIGHWAY.
SO IT'S A POLICY OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK, SARAH SPOKE TO ED
I THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S A DECISION.
IT'S THAT THAT MIKE BE ABLE TO BE ALTERED.
BUT IT'S A DECISION, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING THIS WITH, WITH OTHER PROJECTS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
DOT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THEIR POLICY WITHOUT EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND I THINK OUR ARGUMENT FOR THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WAS THE, THE ANGLE THAT THE ROAD INTERSECTS WITH SOUTHWESTERN AND THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION, UH, WHICH IS FAIRLY UNIQUE FOR THAT INTERSECTION AND BOTH COULD BE CORRECTED WITH A DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
SO BE BECAUSE IT'S A DECISION, DO YOU THINK THERE NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OR WHAT DID I GREAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE LETTER.
SO THEN WE'LL FORM, I MEAN I'M ASSUMING THIS LETTER IS GONNA OFFICIALLY COME FROM YOU AS THE CHAIR THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL SIGN IT OR I, I WANNA SEND IT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY AND I THOUGHT BOTH BOARDS COULD SIGN IT TOGETHER.
AND SO, SO THE NEXT STEP WILL BE TO SEND IT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY AGREE.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WHEN THEY CAME TO OUR MEETING OR WHEN THE REPRESENTATIVE CAME TO OUR MEETING.
CAN WE, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF JUST MOVING, CAN WE AUTHORIZE YOU TO SIGN IT WITH, WITHOUT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD PENDING THEIR DECISION OR, WE DO DEFINITELY ALLOW THEM TO YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS DOES EVER.
SO I, I THINK THE, THE, THE PROPOSITION IS, IS SHOULD WE HAVE JUST ONE PERSON SIGN IT MOST LIKELY MYSELF OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD SIGN THE LETTER? UM, I THINK ONE PERSON'S PROBABLY JUST EASIER LOGISTIC WISE.
CAN I SUGGEST YES, INSTEAD OF HAVING IS JUST HAVE A RESOLUTION SAYING THE TOWN BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED, UH, THIS LETTER TO GO IN AND YOU'RE SIGNING ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A RESOLUTION THAT WAY, THAT THAT WOULD ONLY BE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY UNANIMOUS TOO THOUGH.
AND PRESUME YET THAT IT'S UNANIMOUS.
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A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING MYSELF TO SIGN THE PROPOSED LETTER ABOUT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND FORWARD IT TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD MOTION BY MR. CLARK.SO THAT'S, I GUESS KICKS THE TRAFFIC CAN DOWN THE ROAD A BIT.
UH, MS. MATHIS, DID YOU GET THE RENDERINGS THAT SARAH SENT US ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WAS GONNA GO IN AT, IN BOSTON, THE TOWN OF BOSTON? HI, UH, YES I AM.
I DID NOT RECEIVE THE RENDERING, BUT I'M AWARE OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE MADE IN THE TOWN OF BOSTON.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PROTOTYPE OF BUILDING IS NO LONGER A PRIORITY.
IT'S A, A PROTOTYPE THAT THEY'RE PHASING OUT.
IN FACT, UM, THEY'RE SORT OF PHASING OUT THE SIZE OF STORE IN GENERAL IN PREFERENCE FOR A SLIGHTLY LARGER STORE.
AND SO, UM, THE PROTOTYPE THAT WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO, UM, PRESENT IN BOSTON IS NOT CURRENTLY SOMETHING THAT I AM AT LIBERTY TO OFFER TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
UM, THAT, THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE I, I THINK, I THINK THAT LAYOUT WITH REAL WINDOWS WOULD ADDRESS MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT THIS BOARD HAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S DISAPPOINTING.
AND, UM, TO CONTINUE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SET IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEING DISCONTINUED BY DOLLARS GENERAL, I HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TRYING TO UM, SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
UM, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT IT DID MEET A LOT OF THE, UM, ITEMS THAT BOX THE CHECKBOX, UM, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, I'M STILL WORKING THAT ANGLE AS BEST AS I CAN, BUT, UM, IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE A BIG WIN FOR, FOR ALL OF US.
I'M ABLE TO DO THAT FOR THE TOWN.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, I I DIDN'T SUBMIT THE
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH
BUT AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT, I'M NOT ABLE TO OFFER THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR STYLE OF STORE.
JUST TO REINFORCE THAT ISSUE IS, IT IS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT ALL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES BE DESIGNED TO PRESERVE AND CONTINUE THE RURAL CHARACTER AND APPEARANCE OF THE DISTRICT.
IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE OTHER REQUIREMENT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THIS, IS THAT IN THIS AREA YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE THINGS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THIS SIZE SITE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SITE, SEPTIC SYSTEM, STORM WATER, POND, PARKING, WHATEVER, AS WE DETERMINED LAST MEETING, YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA END UP HAVING TO CLEAR CUT THIS ENTIRE SITE.
YES, YOU ARE PROPOSING TO PUT TREES AND LANDSCAPING BACK ON IT, BUT WE ARE CLEAR CUTTING THIS SITE.
SO IT IS ALSO ANOTHER CRITERIA OF THE OVERLIGHT IS TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AND WOODLANDS AND OTHER AREAS AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT, I MEAN, ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES MORE OF THAT CHARACTER.
SO I THINK THOSE WERE THE TWO BIGGEST ISSUES THAT IT CAME TO THE AESTHETICS, WHICH IS THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR CUT THE SITE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF THE SITE RIGHT NOW, THE BUILDINGS ARE, THE BUILDING IS VERY CLOSE.
YOU'VE MADE IT BETTER, VERY CLOSE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY FACING ONTO ANOTHER STREET WITH RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK FOR THE SITE IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED ON IT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE THREE MONTHS INTO THIS, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND UNLESS WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO IT, I TOW TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THEY HAVE IS THE POSITIVE DECK OF PROJECT AND GO THROUGH AN IMPACT STATEMENT, IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVES AND MITIGATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE SPECIFICALLY ANALYZED AND WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STAND.
I MEAN IT'S, RIGHT, SO DREW AND I, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO AFTER THE MEETING AND I WANTED TO BRING IT UP WITH JENNIFER.
UM, WE CAN POSITIVE DECK THIS BEFORE A PUBLIC
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HEARING IF WE WERE TO DO THAT.NOW THAT WOULD SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
IT MIGHT BE A BETTER IDEA IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO IN THAT DIRECTION OF A POSITIVE DECLARATION, IT MIGHT BE A BETTER IDEA TO DO IT NOW BEFORE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP GOING DOWN THIS ROAD FOR A FEW MONTHS.
UM, AND SO WHAT DOES THE PLANNING BOARD THINK ABOUT THAT? WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND IF WE DO THAT, UM, WE CAN WORK ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AT THE SAME TIME AS WE DEAL WITH THE POSITIVE DECK.
WERE WERE ANY MEETINGS HELD WITH THE, UH, RESIDENTS? WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
DID HAVE THERE BEEN ANY IN INFORMAL INFORMATION SESSION MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA YET? NO, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY INFORMAL SESSIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS.
UM, I WAS, I BELIEVE YOU SHARED MY CONTACT INFORMATION THAT WAS TO BE THE FIRST STAGE, RIGHT? AND WE HAD DETERMINED THAT IF THERE WAS, UH, THRESHOLD OF, OF COMMENTS OR CONTACTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, THAT PERHAPS WE COULD TAKE IT TO A NEXT LEVEL OF SOME SORT OF, UM, INFORMAL TYPE FORUM.
UH, I ONLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ONE PERSON AND THAT WAS OUR IMMEDIATE, UM, NEIGHBOR.
AND, UM, SHE HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY, UM, I BELIEVE COMMENTING TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT HER CONCERNS.
AND SO SHE DID REACH OUT TO ME ON EMAIL AND I RESPONDED TO HER INQUIRY.
UM, AND THAT IS THE ONLY, UM, RESIDENT THAT HAS REACHED OUT TO ME WITH ANY CONCERNS WHATSOEVER.
SO BILL, ACTUALLY OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THOUGH, RIGHT? LIKE THIS ISN'T, WE HAVEN'T DONE A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT THIS IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT YET.
NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE A PUBLIC HEARING EARLY ON.
WE, WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE WAS RESOLVED BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED THE COMMENTS WOULD CENTER AROUND TRAFFIC AND THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE.
IF THAT WAS A, IF WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE, THE TYPE OF COMMENTS.
SO, SO THAT WAS A DECISION WE MADE EARLY ON.
BUT I JUST THINK IT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON WHY THE COMMUNITY MAY BE HOLDING OFF ON COMMENTING BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE SAME INFORMATION WE ARE.
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT MR. RILEY'S? I THINK A DECISION WHICH YOU MADE TODAY IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA EXPLORE THE POSITIVE DECLARATION PROCESS, UM, OR WHETHER WE WANT TO KEEP GOING KIND OF THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN.
SO WHAT DO THE BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I'D REALLY BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE T SAYS BACK ON THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE AND WHETHER OR NOT MS.
AND THOSE TWO, MY TWO, TWO BIG THINGS, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE OTHER OPTION IS THE PLANNING BOARD COULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO ANY ACTION AT ALL.
RIGHT? YOU COULD JUST HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY TO THE PUBLIC, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES.
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE IMPACT STATEMENT PROCESS, YOU ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING.
YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT OR ARE, OR SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU REACH AN IMPASSE LIKE THIS, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT MAY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT.
YOU'RE NOT MEETING HALF OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS LIMITING LAND CLEARING, MORE STRINGENT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IF YOU'RE REMOVING LARGE AREAS OF TREES.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS IN THE, IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT SAYS UNLESS THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING, THERE'S NOTHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO EXCEPT FOR POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT AND MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE, MEAN YOU HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
REMEMBER TYPICALLY WE DON'T HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL YOU HAVE A COMPLETED APPLICATION, BUT YOU HAVE A COMPLETED APPLICATION, YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THE APPLICATION, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT, AND YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED TO ANY TIMEFRAMES BECAUSE NO REGULATORY TIMEFRAME STARTS TO RUN UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE SECRET PROCESS.
SO I, I'M JUST ALSO GONNA BE FAIR TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GOING ON FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
AND AN IMPASSE, THE IMPASSE SAYS YOU ISSUE A POSITIVE DECK AND THEN YOU HAVE A, A PROCESS TO RUN THROUGH.
SO, SO DREW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT STARTS A CLOCK, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO IT AFTER SEEKERS FINISH.
IF WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE SEEKER'S FINISHED, THAT WON'T START THAT CLOCK.
AND IN SITE PLAN, YOU CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ANYTIME SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE, YOU HAVE TO DO THE NECK DECK BEFORE YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANYTIME.
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AND LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR NORMAL IS WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN.BUT AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THE PLAN IS WHAT THEY WANNA PROPOSE.
LET'S HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE THE SECRET DECISION AND OR MAKE THE DECISION IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW SAYING WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS AT THIS POINT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE BOARD FOR A FEW MONTHS.
WE DID TRY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'RE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? UM, YES.
SO HOW DO, HOW DO THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT WHAT WE GO, HOW WE GO FORWARD? WELL, BILL, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
WHY DID THE, UH, BROADWAY GROUP DECIDE NOT TO, TO CHANGE THEIR LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS? UH, AND WHEN DID THEY DO THAT? AND, AND REALLY WHAT WAS THE IDEA? BECAUSE YOU MEAN IN REFERENCE TO THE BOSTON BUILDING? YES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION IN THIS.
SO, UM, THE BROADWAY GRADE, JUST TO CLARIFY, AS A DEVELOPER AND WAS CONTRACTED BY DOLLAR GENERAL, WHO IS OUR CLIENT TO FIND A PROPERTY AND THE BUILD IT TO SUIT THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
SO IT IS NOT NECESSARILY OUR BUILDING STYLE, IT'S OUR CLIENT'S BUILDING STYLE.
UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY STARTED OFFERING, UM, IN THE, UH, I GUESS 2019 FOR 2020 BILLS.
UM, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2018 THAT THEY STARTED OFFERING IT, BUT AT ANY RATE, I MEAN, THEY, THEY JUST, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY JUST WEREN'T, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF DOLLAR GENERAL'S REASONS, QUITE HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY DECIDED TO PHASE IT OUT.
WE RECEIVED THE TECHNICAL BULLETIN ADVISING US OF THEIR DECISION.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I KNOW AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M NOT ABLE TO REALLY COMMENT ON DOLLAR GENERAL'S INTERNAL BUSINESS DECISIONS OF THAT NATURE.
AND YOU'RE DEFINITELY STUCK AT PAINTED WINDOWS.
UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY STUCK ON THE PAINTED WINDOWS.
UM, THERE ARE MAYBE SOME WAYS THAT WE COULD DO THE CLEAR SEE-THROUGH WINDOW THAT YOU, UM, WERE, YOU KNOW, REALLY SAYING WAS A DEAL BREAKER FOR YOU.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST THAT IF YOU HAVE THE CLEAR SEE-THROUGH WINDOWS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A VERY NICE VISUAL FROM THE STREET, THE STREET VIEW.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BACK OF SHELVING AND STOCK ON THE SHELVES.
THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A GENERAL STORE CURRENTLY, I THINK IT'S ON CAMP ROAD IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
UM, IT HAS GLASS WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, AND IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR STORE, THEN YOU KNOW THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE BLOCKED WITH LIKE A WHITE PAPER OR MAYBE SOME SORT OF BLIND.
UM, AND THERE'S LIKE DOLLAR GENERAL STICKERS ON THAT WHITE, UM, SURFACE.
AND SO I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE AESTHETIC THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IF YOU HAVE THOSE CLEAR WINDOWS.
I DO HAVE A, A PICTURE AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO TRY TO SHARE IT ON THIS SCREEN, UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU, UM, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY HAVING THE, THE PAINTED WINDOWS.
AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND IF IT'S STILL A DEAL BREAKER.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M BEING AS CLEAR WITH YOU ABOUT THE OPTION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF IT'S WHAT YOU WOULD VISUALIZED IN YOUR MIND OR IF MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR WORSE THAN WHAT YOU VISUALIZED.
SO, UM, I HAVE A, UM, LITTLE SHARE CONTENT BUTTON HERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO, UM, PULL UP.
BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO TELL IF THAT'S WORKING OR NOT.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS CLEAR, UM, THIS IS A STORE THAT WE'VE DONE IN, IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT, THE PAINT GLOSS, UM, BUT IT IS PAINTED BLOCK ON THE INSIDE.
IT STILL HAS A NICE GLOSSY APPEARANCE LOCKED WINDOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO SEE THE SHELVING AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BE LOCATED THERE.
SO IS THAT ONE OF THE WINDOWS WITH THE DUMPSTER? SORRY, DENNIS, WHAT WAS THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE WINDOW AND I'M SAYING THAT UGLY BE BLUE DUMPSTER.
UH, I, I DON'T, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA SEE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, IT IS WITH ANY KIND OF GLASS, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DEGREE OF REFLECTION.
UM, SO I JUST, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO CONVINCE YOU, UM, TO LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SIMPLY DON'T, LIKE, I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO, UM, ON ANOTHER STORE AND TO SEE IF KIND OF WHAT YOU VISUALIZE IN YOUR MIND.
AND IF IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY IT'S A NO GO.
I'M GONNA SEE HOW I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHARE THAT.
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SO PLAN FOR, CAN I ASK ONE OTHER? YEAH, OF COURSE.QUESTION ABOUT THE LAYOUTS PLEASE.
SO I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THE BOSTON, UH, FACILITY WAS ALSO A SMALLER SIZE STORE THAN THE ONE YOU WERE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT.
THIS IS PRETTY COMPACT AND TYPE SITE.
ARE THERE SMALLER SIZE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN THE LAYOUT, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED? OR IS THIS THE SIZE THAT IT, IT MUST BE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THE, UM, THERE IS A SMALLER PROTOTYPE THAT DOLLAR GENERAL HAS.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY APPROVE A SITE TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO MEET.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, THE STORE SIZE THAT THEY WANTED TO, UH, PROCEED WITH AND WHAT MADE THE SITE MOVE FORWARD AND WAS APPROVED BY THEIR REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE WAS THE 9,100 SQUARE FOOT STORE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.
SO, UM, THE, THE OTHER STORE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO GEAR MORE TOWARDS, UM, IN FUTURE STORES, A 10,000, UM, SQUARE FOOT STORE, SO SLIGHTLY, SLIGHTLY LARGER STORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO HERE'S WHAT I THINK I WANNA DO FOR GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE, UM, I DROP IN THE POTENTIAL TO DO A POSITIVE DECK IS KIND OF A, AN UNUSUAL THING.
SO WHY DON'T THE BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS WOULD BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT AND, AND OUR NOVEMBER 18TH MEETING, WE'LL VOTE TO EITHER HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING OR VOTE TO, UH, DO A POSITIVE DEATH OR, OR GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL MAKE THE VOTE ON NOVEMBER 18TH, BUT WE'LL DECIDE THE PATH FORWARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO EVERYBODY? OKAY.
SO IT GIVES US SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT OPTION, UM, LET ME KNOW.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ON BROADWAY GROUP AT THIS MEETING? BOB TERRY, YOU, YOU SAID YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT YOU TALKED TO DOT ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
WHAT WAS THE EXACT CONVERSATION YOU HAD? RIGHT.
UM, SO THE CONTACT THAT I SPOKE WITH AT SDOT WERE, WELL, THERE WAS TWO OF THEM.
I SPOKE WITH MARCO ROMANOWSKI AND I ALSO SPOKE WITH A GENTLEMAN NAMED CHRIS CHURCH.
AND I SPECIFICALLY WAS ASKING THEM ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD HAD ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ON FOOT.
SO, UM, I WAS DISCUSSING WITH THEM WHAT WOULD BE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS, UM, TO TRY TO MAYBE MAKE IT, MAKE IT SAFER.
AND THEY, UM, I WAS ADVISED THAT THE SIDEWALKS WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT NY SIDE WOULD, WOULD RECOMMEND IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT IT TO.
IF EVERYTHING AROUND THE SITE HAD SIDEWALKS AND, BUT THIS SIDE MAYBE HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, DO THE SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT TO WHAT IS EXISTING.
BUT IN THE SITUATION LIKE THIS ONE WHERE THERE'S NO OTHER SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES TO CONNECT TO, IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND.
THEY, UM, CHRIS CHURCH ALSO SAID THAT IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ROADWAY, THE SHOULDER IS FAIRLY WIDE.
AND SO HE SAID IF THERE WAS GONNA BE A PEDESTRIAN ON THEIR ROAD, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE SHOULDER, UM, TO REMAIN SAFE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, THE, THE BULK OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE SIDEWALK.
UM, EXCEPT THAT THERE, THERE WAS A, UM, A GRANT SITUATION THAT HE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME.
HE SAID THAT TOWNS OR MUNICIPALITIES CAN APPLY LIKE A COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS, YOU CAN APPLY TO GET FUNDING FROM SO FOR PROJECTS LIKE SIDEWALKS OR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
HE, UM, DID INDICATE THAT THEY USUALLY GIVE PRIORITY, UM, AWARDING TO AREAS THAT, LIKE I SAID, ALREADY, MAYBE HAD SOME EXISTING FACILITIES THAT MAYBE JUST NEEDED TO BE EXPANDED UPON.
BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR THE TOWN IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN MAYBE HAVING MORE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
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LIKE IN A NICE WEATHER PART OUT THE LAKE WHEN THEY CAN WALK.AND THAT'S STILL MY CONCERN, HAVING NO SIDEWALKS.
BUT IN THE WINTER, IN THAT AREA HERE IN, IN THE HAMBURG AREA, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PLOW THAT, THEY GET PRETTY BIG HIGH, UM, SNOW, SNOW DRIFTS ALONG THERE.
SO THAT CUTS A LOT OF THAT WALKING SPACE DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHAT WAS MY CONCERNS.
'CAUSE IN THE WINTER MONTHS, ERIC, WHAT? YEAH, SO I, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO JUST SO THE APPLICANT CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS BECAUSE WE IS, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD THINK THAT THE DOT PLAN WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD WALK DOWN TO THE LIGHT, CROSS THE STREET AT THE LIGHT, AND THEN WALK DOWN THE SHOULDER OF SOUTHWESTERN TO GET TO THIS, TO THIS UH, STORE, DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD AGREE WITH THE DOT THAT THAT IS A SAFE PLAN? NO, NOT A CHANCE.
SO I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT MUCH, BUT IT IT JUST, BECAUSE IT, IT, THE, WHO'S GONNA WALK THIS? YEAH, IT, IT'S A QUARTER MILE.
IT'S A QUARTER MILE WALK TO THIS THING.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET.
YEAH, THEY'RE RESIDENTS, BUT THEY CAN'T CROSS SOUTHWEST, SOUTHWESTERN IS NOT A IS IS MADE FOR TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT MADE FOR PEOPLE WALKING.
SOUTHWESTERN IS NOT MADE FOR PEOPLE WALKING.
IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT, THERE'S CARS THERE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT MADE FOR PEOPLE WALKING.
SO I CAN'T SEE THAT NOW I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE MAYBE ON HEALTH ROAD, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THIS GOING TO NOWHERE.
I'M NOT SAYING TO PUT IT SIDEWALKS THOUGH.
I'M SAYING 'CAUSE 'CAUSE SHE SAID SHE CALLED THE DOT AND THE DOT SAID THE SHOULDER WAS WIDE ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO WALK
SO, AND WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT THAT MUCH, BUT IN MY OPINION, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER DISCUSSION MM-HMM
BUT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T LIVE HERE.
SO JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR FOR HER.
NONE OF US THINK THAT THE PLAN BY THE DOT IS SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
SO YEAH, THE DO, THE DOT IS NOT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
IN FACT, I I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE IT BY SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY SIDEWALKS AND WE DON'T WANNA CROSSWALK, WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIANS TRYING TO CROSS, UH, YOU KNOW, A BUSY HIGHWAY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK JUST DOWN THE ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE I BELIEVE THERE'S A LARGE, UM, COMMUNITY OR CHURCH CENTER, IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN A LIGHTED INTERSECTION.
EVEN THAT INTERSECTION DOES NOT HAVE CROSSWALKS.
OBVIOUSLY DOT HAS MADE A DECISION NOT TO PUT FENCE WALKS IN THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE IN, UM, OR NEXT TO A, THE COMMUNITY LIKE THE, THE TIM HORTON FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, A SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE THERE WERE ALREADY SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN I THINK THE DOT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT.
AND ENCOURAGING RY AND ACCESS WOULD MAYBE BE, UH, A HIGHER PRIORITY.
UH, IN THIS CASE, LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD SET, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AND TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE IT BY PUTTING IN PEDESTRIAN, UM, FACILITIES WHERE IT'S ALREADY IN MAYBE AN UNSAFE SITUATION, UH, WOULD MAYBE NOT BE THE MOST PRUDENT THING TO DO.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALL I KNOW, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY ON THAT SUBJECT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRUE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIVE THERE.
BUT OF COURSE WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE HAVE BUSY ROADS HERE IN ALABAMA TOO, RIGHT.
I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY TO CROSS ONE OF THOSE.
UM, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE GOOD COMMON SENSE.
I, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS A KID, I LIKED TO, MY PARENTS WOULD GIVE ME $5 OR WHATEVER AND I'D WALK TO THE STORE AND BUY CANDY OR TOYS AND IT WAS, THAT WAS A FUN TIME.
UM, AND THERE'S A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HUNDREDS OF HOUSES ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE IN THOSE AGES.
AND THEY'RE GONNA WANNA GO TO THIS DOLLAR GENERAL TO BUY TOYS.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE BUTCHER SHOP.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY 12 YEAR OLDS THAT WANT TO GO AND BUY A STEAK, UM, THAT THIS TYPE OF STORE IS GONNA ATTRACT THOSE PEDESTRIANS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE BUT ME PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE, IF, IF THE STORE IS GONNA BE THERE, HOW THEY GET FROM THEIR HOUSES TO THE STORE ALIVE.
I MEAN, I AM MAYBE THAT WAS A BIT DRAMATIC.
THERE'S
AND ALL OF THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS IN THERE HAVE NOW ALL INTERCONNECTED THEMSELVES WITH SIDEWALKS AS WELL.
SO THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT, THE AREA OF LIKE FUTURE TO MAKE MORE WALKABLE.
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A MISSTEP TO THINK THAT THEY CAN WALK ALONG THE SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN OR THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO WALK OVER TO DOLLAR GENERAL.I, I, I MEAN, I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS AL JOHNSON PLAZA THAT I WALKED TO WHEN I WAS A KID IN THE VILLAGE AND THE SAME THING.
SO I, I DEFINITELY DON'T SEE THAT.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT INPUT.
I THINK, UM, MAYBE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FAITH IN THE PARENTS, UM, THAT LIVE THERE IN LAKEVIEW THAT THEY WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THEIR CHILD TO WALK ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN REGARDLESS, BECAUSE IT IS A BUSY, A BUSY ROAD.
UM, SO I, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MAYBE THE ASSESSMENT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS MADE ON THAT POINT, BUT I DEFINITELY TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND, UM, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A, A DIRECTION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS US TO GO, THEN, YOU KNOW, I CAN PROPOSE A SIDEWALK.
BUT, UM, I JUST, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAYBE BE MY HUMBLE OPINION IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE MISGUIDED TO, UM, PROMOTE, UM, THE APPEARANCE OF SAFETY BY HAVING A SIDEWALK WHEN WE ALL CAN SAY, AND WE ALL AGREE, IT REALLY ISN'T THE BEST IDEA FOR A CHILD, ESPECIALLY UNATTENDED TO BE CROSSING A BUSY STATE HIGHWAY.
SO I WILL, LET'S TABLE THIS TO NOVEMBER 18TH, AND ON NOVEMBER 18TH, WE WILL WE'LL VOTE ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
DOES EVERYBODY THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA? YEAH.
CAN I ASK ONE FOLLOW ON QUESTION? YEAH.
OR DO YOU, SO I, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THE PARTICULAR PROTOTYPE IN BOSTON WASN'T, WASN'T NON, HASNT BE ON THE TABLE ANYMORE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE, THE MONTE CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAS A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL AT ONE 10 ALABAMA, UM, ADOBE COUNTY, I GUESS THAT'S IN ALABAMA.
UH, THAT IS A, ANOTHER PROTOTYPE THAT HAS A PITCH THROUGHS, IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN HAS A DECORATIVE SENTENCE WINDOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE ISN'T AS AN OPTION, UM, OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT SIDE, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED JUST THIS PAST MAY.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO TO DECEIVE THE BOARD AT ALL, THAT THAT SITE WAS APPROVED BY DOLLAR GENERAL, THEIR REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE, UM, MONTHS AGO.
AND SO AT THAT TIME THAT PROTOTYPE WAS STILL AVAILABLE.
AND SO ANY OF THOSE STORES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THEIR, UM, REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, OUR DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES ARE, ARE MUCH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE A YEAR, UM, ESPECIALLY IN NEW YORK WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT APPROVAL PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR TO GET A SITE APPROVED.
SO, UM, THAT SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND OF COURSE WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND WE'RE CONSTRUCTING IT.
IN FACT, UM, I WISH THE SITE WAS FURTHER ALONG BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE ONES WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME, SOME WINDOWS AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ONE.
I COULD SHOW THE PLANNING BOARD AND SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IT TO LOOK LIKE IF WE HAVE CLEAR WINDOWS.
SO, UM, IT'S ALSO A REASON, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THEY HAVEN'T BUILT ANY OF THESE, THOSE TYPES OF STORES.
IT'S ALSO WHY I'M STILL SORT OF PING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE THAT, UM, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT TO, UM, PROVIDE A PROTOTYPE WITH THAT PITCHED ROOF.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ACTUALLY SOMETHING DOLLAR GENERAL IS APPROVING ON CURRENT STORES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.
SO I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP LLC TO NOVEMBER 18TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE THANK YOU AGAIN EVERYONE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TAYLOR SCHMITZ REQUESTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 4 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOSPITAL SURGEON MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANTHONY AL CAMINA WOOD MORRIS.
I DO HAVE, AS YOU RECALL, DURING THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, YOU ASKED US TO GET A TRIP GENERATION LETTER FROM SR ASSOCIATES.
I ALSO WILL EMAIL A COPY TO SARAH FOR DISTRIBUTION FOR THE MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT HERE.
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WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT PREVIOUSLY.SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE FILED A SITE PLAN IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.
WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE THINGS WE WANNA BRING UP TONIGHT.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR CONFIRMATION THAT THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
I THINK THAT'S CLEAR AS DAY THAT IT IS.
AND AS SUCH THAT WOULD END THE SEEKER REPROCESS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT.
NUMBER TWO, I KNOW SARAH HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VILLAGE AND I THINK THE VILLAGE HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE LAYOUT.
SO I THINK THAT'S NOW OFF THE TABLE.
AND THEN THREE, AS I INDICATED, WE DO HAVE A TRIP GENERATION LETTER THAT WAS PREPARED BY STEVE FE, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM SR ASSOCIATES.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL TUNNEL CAR WASH.
IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL SCALE CAR WASH.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LETTER IN TERMS OF TRIP GENERATION DURING THE PM WEEKDAY PEAK, IT WILL GENERATE SIX TRIPS ENTERING DURING THE PEAK HOUR, FIVE TRIPS EXITING.
AND THEN ON A SATURDAY, WHICH IS WHEN CAR WASHES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME OFF A STRING OF BAD WEATHER DAYS ARE BUSY IS IT WILL GENERATE DURING THE PEAK HOUR, 15 VEHICLES ENTERING AND 16 VEHICLES EXITING.
AND OF COURSE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THE TRAFFIC TRAVELING DOWN CAMP ROAD ON A SATURDAY IS CERTAINLY LESS THAN MAGNITUDE THAN EITHER THE AM OR PM PM WEEKDAY PEAK.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON THE CAMP ROAD.
WE'LL NEED TO WORK WITH THE OT.
IN TERMS OF ANY WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER DOING THIS EVENING IS SCHEDULING A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO WE RECEIVED A PETITION FROM THE RESIDENCE ON FRANKLIN STREET THAT, UM, HAS 10 ISSUES THEY, THEY WANT ADDRESSED.
UM, MOST OF THOSE ISSUES ARE, ARE VERY RELEVANT TO THE DECISIONS WE MAKE.
UH, I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT WOULD BE THE START ENCLOSED TIME OF THE OPERATION.
DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT PETITION? WE DID.
UH, FOR THEIR BENEFIT, CAN YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF, A LOT OF THOSE SEEM TO BE QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY? WHAT I, WHAT I ENVISION WE WOULD DO IS WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD ADDRESS ALL THAT.
IF SOMEONE HAS A COPY, I CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THEM QUICK.
SO, YEAH, SARAH WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE US TO THIS IN TERMS OF, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE, THE BASIC SITE LOCATION APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.
WE DID SHOW YOU A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING PREPARED BY DAVE SUTTON OF SU SUTTON ARCHITECTURE.
IT IS A NICE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S ONLY APPROXIMATELY, I BELIEVE TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR SQUARE FEET.
IT'S SIMPLY TWO BAYS IN THE UTILITY ROOM.
SO IT IS QUITE SMALL IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
YOUR CODE IS ONE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA.
REQUIRES THE CLOSEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO BE AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST HOME.
SO WE HAVE ADJUSTED THE PLAN PREVIOUSLY, SO WE COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, ENTRANCE AND EXITING THE CARS ENTERING AND LEAVING THE CAR WASH.
WE PROVIDED THAT TRIP GENERATION LETTER PREPARED BY SRF ASSOCIATES, A REPUTABLE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM OPERATION, START TIME AND CLOSE TIME.
WHILE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY ACKNOWLEDGED YOU CAN'T REGULATE HOURS OF OPERATION, NOISE OF EQUIPMENT WHEN IN OPERATION.
WE WILL BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SAFETY FEATURES OF THE OPERATION.
IT'S A MODERN FACILITY, COMES WITH THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY IN TERMS OF SAFETY FEATURES.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A CONCERN.
POSTAL DELIVERY SERVICE FOR OWNERS, MAIL DELIVERY, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.
DID WE MISS THE EXHAUST NUMBER SEVEN? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL HAVE VEHICLES OBVIOUSLY STACKING, AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS NOT A TUNNEL CAR WASH.
YOU'RE WAITING SEVERAL MINUTES.
SO THERE'S ONE CAR PROCESSED AT A TIME.
SO LITERALLY IF YOU'RE STACKED UP TO THE FOURTH CAR, YOU'RE BASICALLY SIGNING UP FOR, I GONNA WAIT 15 OR 20 MINUTES.
I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A LOT OF VEHICLES STACKING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
IT'S A SMALLER SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD CAR WASH.
BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THERE BEING, I MEAN IS THERE A WAY THROUGH LANDSCAPING OR A FENCE THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO UH, SO WE ARE SHOWING REDUCE ANY IMPACT OF EXHAUST FUMES ON A RESIDENTIAL.
SO ON THE BACK OF THE SITE, WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IS WE'RE SHOWING A SIX FOOT BORN ON BOARD HIGH QUALITY FENCE.
AND THEN ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH SHOWING THAT CHAIRMAN CLARK IS A ROW OF NINE COLORADO ROOF, BRUCE BRUCE TREES.
SO YEAH, WE HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE SCREENING FOR
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THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND.I MEAN, I DOES IT, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK, BUT WOULD THAT SCREENING REDUCE ADMISSIONS TO THAT NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE? 'CAUSE IT, I MEAN, IT'S A VALID CONCERN.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE PERSON TO BE SITTING IN THEIR BACKYARD AND SMELL EXHAUST FROM SOMEBODY WAITING ON THEIR CAR WASH.
UM, WE, I MEAN YOU'D HOPE THAT YOU COULD HAVE IT AT SO DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THIS SITE.
YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD AT LEAST ASK THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, I, I THINK IT WOULD REDUCE THE IMPACT SOMEWHAT.
AND THEN THE FINAL COMMENT WAS, FRANKLIN STREET IS A PRIVATE ROAD MAINTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATION.
HOW WILL THE CAR WASH PREVENT ENTRY OF CAR WASH TRAFFIC FROM ENTERING THE PRIVATE AREA? KEEP IN MIND, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO THE BACK.
IT DOES TURN INTO A PRIVATE ROAD THERE.
THERE'D JUST BE NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO HEAD THAT DIRECTION UNLESS YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU'RE GETTING A CAR WASH.
APPEARS THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ON, I KNOW STRAIGHT AWAY, RIGHT NEXT DOOR WAS ASKED ABOUT, UM, UM, IS THERE AUTO, LIKE A CAR OR CAR DISTRIBUTOR AUTO MARKET, AUTOZONE.
AUTOZONE AND HAVE YOU DELIVERIES.
THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK THAT ONE ENTRANCE.
WILL THAT IMPAIR ANYTHING ON THAT FRANKLIN STREET? YOU MEAN THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK CAMP ROAD? NO, AS THEY GO IN, THEY CAN COME IN BY FRANKLIN THERE TO THE AUTO ZONE IF YOU'RE FACING YOUR CAR WASH TO THE RIGHT.
SO OH, IS AUTO ZONE BLOCKING OR I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING NO, RIGHT.
WHEN THEY DO DELIVERIES, WILL THAT GO, WILL THAT INTERFERE WITH EITHER THE CAR WASH? NO, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU MEAN, SO WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING THAT THEY POKE HERE FOR YES.
THEY SHOULD BE, THEY HERE TO DELIVERY FOR DELIVERY.
THERE'S PEOPLE COMING IN, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE BLOCKING THE THREE, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S PART OF THAT, THAT THAT'S AN AUTO ZONE ISSUE, NOT A CAR WASH ISSUE.
BUT THEY'LL BE BLOCKING AN ENTRANCE OR THEY'D BE BLOCKING THIS ENTRANCE.
BUT AUTO ZONE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE BLOCKING THE RESIDENCE.
BECAUSE BUT WITH, WITH ADDED CARS USING A CAR WASH, THAT'S GONNA BUILD IT UP.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
I'VE ONLY, I'VE ONLY REVIEWED, NO, I ACKNOW IT'S BEEN A I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION MEANT.
AND I, WE'LL HAVE, IF WE PUT IT OUT THERE NOW, OFFICER, SOMEBODY WILL CLARIFY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, SO WE, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL WE'LL ASK NOW THAT, UH, A RESIDENT SPECIFICALLY CLARIFY THAT AND AND BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO US EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENS AND WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIVE THERE.
SO WE DON'T, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT THERE.
I I I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW EITHER.
BUT YEAH, IF AN 18 WHEELER'S BLOCKING FRANKLIN STREET, THAT'S NOT A GOOD, THAT'S A BAD SITUATION.
THE THE OTHER QUESTIONS I ATTENTION WHEN I KNOW WE CAN'T WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
BUT YOU OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT'S THE PEAK OUT GUYS? DO WE KNOW WHAT HOURS OF OPERATION? NO, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW.
NO, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT THE, YOUR DEFINITION OF PEAK HOURS.
IT'S NOT, SO PEAK HOUR IS GENERALLY WEEKDAY PM PEAK IS GENERALLY FOUR TO 6:00 PM OKAY.
FOR A CAR WASH THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE SATURDAY PEAK HOUR IS GENERALLY LATE MORNING, EARLY AFTERNOON.
RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC, IT APPEARS THAT DIAMOND DROVE DOWN THE STREET, THAT THERE'S A TURNAROUND AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC ROAD.
LIKE IF YOU WERE TO GO DOWN FRANKLIN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN REALIZE, TURN AROUND AND YOU CAN GO BACK OUT.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE SNOW, THE TOWNS SNOW PLOW DON'T GO INTO THE PRIVATE ROAD.
HERE'S THE, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THEIR ROAD.
I, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT CHANGES TO THE PRIVATE ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PLOWS TURN AROUND.
AND IF YOU GO DOWN HERE, YOU COULD TURN AROUND.
IT DOES OFFER AND AGAIN, THAT ALL, ALL THIS, OH, GO AHEAD.
SO WHEN WILL WE BE RECEIVING A COPY OF THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES? I DON'T FEEL AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS 'EM OR QUESTION 'EM BECAUSE I HAVE THEM IN FRONT.
IT'S A TRIP GENERATION LETTER.
JUST GOT FINALIZED YESTERDAY AND I BELIEVE YOUR CURRENT RULES ARE NOT TO DISTRIBUTE THINGS AFTER A CERTAIN DATE.
SO I WILL EMAIL TO SARAH AFTER THE MEETING.
I BELIEVE YOU'LL DISTRIBUTE IT.
UH, CAN WE GET SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THE VILLAGE IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS?
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I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME SITUATION WHERE WE GOT SOMETHING FROM THE VILLAGE LATE.SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
CAN WE ALSO FIND OUT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DID A TRAFFIC STUDY OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, CAMP LATE ROUTE? BECAUSE THAT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE PAST 10.
I'D LIKE TO TELL WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT FINDING THAT DREW? I CAN CONTACT ED BROKOWSKI, HE'LL HAVE THE NUMBERS.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE NUMBERS.
BASICALLY THEY UPDATE THE NUMBERS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS OR WHATEVER, SAYING WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS.
YOU CAN FIGURE OUT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GENERATING SUCH SMALL AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC, THERE'S NO STUDY TO BE DONE.
IT'S JUST GONNA SAY THOSE CARS ARE GONNA EXIT OUT ONTO, ONTO CAMP, ONTO CAMP ROAD.
THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF ROADS, A LOT OF ROADS LIKE CAMP ROADS SOUTHWEST OR ET CETERA, ARE WHAT THEY CALL LEVEL OF SERVICE.
FA LOT OF 'EM FOR LEFT HAND TURN.
SO CERTAIN TIMES A DAY, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT ON THE CAMP ROAD JUST LIKE SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
I THINK THE LAST TIME I LOOKED INTO IT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT, IT WAS WELL IN EXCESS OF 10 YEARS AGO, THEY WENT THE TRAFFIC ON THAT
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
OH, I, WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND SEE WHAT, THEY GENERALLY HAVE PRETTY GOOD DATA, WHAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IN TERMS OF THE MOST RECENT DATA FOR DAILY VOLUME ON CAMP ROAD.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE CAMP IS NOT GONNA BE A ROAD THAT WE CAN MITIGATE ANYTHING IF WE MAKE IT WORSE.
AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, ME, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THE TRAFFIC IN THE COMMUNITY WORSE.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S HIGHLY WALKABLE.
I I JUST WANNA READ THE POINT.
WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO AS A TRIP GENERATION ASSESSMENT LETTER, WE GOT THAT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T COME CLOSE TO EXCEEDING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR AT AN INTERSECTION FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
IF YOU WANT US TO GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE CURRENT VOLUMES ON CAMP ROAD, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT'S THERE TODAY, OUR PROJECT WILL BE A VERY INCREMENTAL INCREASE TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S IN THE INITIAL REPORT YOU'RE REFERENCING.
SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT I NEED BASED OFF THAT REPORT.
SO WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THAT REPORT.
'CAUSE NOT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE IT, AND THAT'S WHY WE, I JUST WANTED TO HAND IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE HERE.
SO, UM, ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 18TH? I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE ASKED FOR THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VILLAGE, WHAT THEIR TAKE IS ON IT YET.
WE'VE, I'VE ASKED ANOTHER OF DISASTER THE READING REPORT.
AND I DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN ASK ANY TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY TAKE.
I I I WANT TO CONFIRM, I MEAN, JUST STILL WITH YOUR MIND, THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE TO ASK THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
UH, WHEN WE DO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THERE WAS THAT PETITION FROM THE, UH, THE FOLKS ON FRANKLIN STREET.
ARE WE PROVIDING 'EM ANY SPECIFIC NOTICE OF THE HEARING IN ADDITION TO THE LEGALLY PUBLISHED PUBLIC NOTICE? NO, WE DON'T.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE HERE.
CAN I SEE YOUR PRINTED COPY? SO PUT ON MY PHONE.
UM, NOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION IS YOU SET A PUBLIC HEARING ONLY FROM THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS.
YOU HAVE VALID CONCERNS, BUT WE WANT TO HEAR ALSO FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT SAYING, HEY, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION OR NOT, OR THIS OR THAT.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WITH THIS PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THIS PLAN'S CHANGING AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S NOTHING THEY COULD, THEY'VE SAID THIS IS THEIR PLAN.
UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING JUST SO YOU CAN LEAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA CHANGE.
BUT I, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING, I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE JUST MY RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION.
YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS, SARAH.
WHEN YOU NOTICE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU, DO YOU SEND ANY NOTICE TO RESIDENTS? THAT'S JUST IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
IF IT IS A, IF IT IS A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE, IT'S LARGE ENOUGH, THEN YES, I NOTIFY, I NOTIFY ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND THERE'S ENOUGH NEIGHBORS WHO I'M INTIMATELY FRIENDLY WITH NOW OVER THERE AND BY ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
LIKE WHEN A PROJECT COMES IN, ALL THE NEIGHBORS, HOW FAR IS
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THAT? THAT'S, WE, WE MEASURED DISTANCE, RIGHT? NO, WE, I THINK I JUST NOTIFIED EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.I DON'T SO HE JUST NOTIFIED EVERYBODY ON FRANKLIN STREET? YEAH.
LET ME JUST, JENNIFER WILL JUMP IN HERE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTIFYING NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING ANY, TO SAY IT'S A HUNDRED FEET OR 200 FEET.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS IF RESIDENTS HAVE SHOWN CONCERN, SIGN NOTICE, SIGN THE THING ON THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WHATEVER, WE TRY TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE UP TO DATE.
SARAH'S NOT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS, BUT SHE'S HAD SOME PEOPLE CALL, SHE'S GONNA LET 'EM KNOW WE'RE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT BE CAREFUL ABOUT SETTING ANY DISTANCE OR WHATEVER THERE IS.
NO, AND I THINK SARAH, LIKE SHE JUST SAID, IS INTIMATE ENOUGH WHERE SHE HAS PROBABLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE PAST WHERE THEY'VE ASKED HER, WHEN THIS IS SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, CAN YOU CALL ME? AND SHE WILL DO JUST THAT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO CONFIRM, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING THESE DAYS OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
BUT THE RESIDENTS WILL BE HERE.
THAT WILL ALSO, TO THE DEGREE MY CLIENTS HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THEM, BUT THAT'LL ALSO FOSTER US HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTLY WITH THEM, WHICH WE ALWAYS DO.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ATTEMPT TO PRECLUDE THEM FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE REVIEW PROCESS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS US, ANY, UH, THE APPLICANTS OR WHATEVER TO DO RESEARCH ON OR WHATEVER.
AGAIN, WE'RE GENERATING INFORMATION TO HOPEFULLY MAKE DECISIONS OR ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
HAS TO BE IN HARMONY, HAS TO NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
IT CAN'T ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBOR AND DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENCE THEREOF.
AND WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
AND, AND THE THREE ADDITIONAL AND THE THREE ADDITIONAL THINGS UNDER THE, UNDER THE CARWASH THAT WE SPOKE TO BEFORE.
AND REMEMBER IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, A USE LISTED AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE PRESUMED TO BE AN ALLOWABLE USE.
IT SHALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PETITIONER.
WHY YOU'RE ASKING QUESTION TO PUT PROOF ON THE RECORD THAT THEY MEET THESE THINGS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC MAY RAISE OTHER ISSUES.
KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND CONTINUE IT ON.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING ALL THOSE ISSUES TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE INFORMATION TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD.
SO I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON TAYLOR SCHMITZ FOR NOVEMBER 18TH.
DENNIS, DO YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH KEVIN? I, I SAID JEN.
SO THE PUBLIC, GET THE WORD OUT, SARAH.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON THIS AND, AND PUT TOGETHER YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO HELP WITH THE REASONING AND LOGIC FOR A DECISION.
ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO TAKE TWO ACTION? I THINK IT'S CONCLUSIVE.
WE NEED TO, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO ROOT OF WE'RE TREATING, WE HAVE ALL THESE ISSUES AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT ANYWAY TO DEAL WITH.
THEY'LL COVER THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
CAN I ASK ONE LAST QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
MR. MR, CAN YOU OR YOUR CLIENT RECOMMEND A SIMILAR, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY THAT WHO WANTED TO GO SCOPE AROUND ON A SATURDAY, SOMETHING IN THE VICINITY? IS THERE ONE GUY, ANY SOUTHBOUND SOMEWHERE MOST SIMILAR TO THIS? LET'S JUST MARK IT DOWN THE STREET.
YEAH, WE WILL, WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL TO SARAH.
IT SEND THAT I'D BE, I'D JUST BE INTERESTED TO DO A DRIVE BY ON A NICE SATURDAY AND SEE WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
ALRIGHT, THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING A REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MILES STRIP ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, GLEN WEZEL, WHO'S ALSO WITH US HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD FROM THE ENGINEERING FROM WOOD MORRIS.
THIS IS A PLAN WE PRESENTED TO YOU A MONTH AGO.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY WHERE WE WERE THEN.
AND THEN WE WANT TO SHOW YOU ONE ALTERNATIVE IDEA THAT WE'RE
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CONSIDERING.SO THE PROJECT AS WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IT CONSISTENT OF A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES, ACTUALLY DOWN ZONING FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THAT PROPERTY WAS 102 APARTMENTS.
THEY WOULD BE SINGLE STORY ONLY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TO 18 LOT SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS A PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
ALONG ABOUT PROBABLY HALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE.
A COUPLE OF THE, MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP DURING THAT MEETING.
WHILE WE DON'T NEED A REZONING FOR THE SUBDIVISION PERTAINED TO THE SUBDIVISION WETLAND IMPACTS HOW DEEP THE LOTS GO, WHERE WOULD THE HOMES BE PLACED ON THAT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT WE, CHRIS GLEN AND I HAVE, CAN WE PUT THAT LIKE SIDEWAYS SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YEAH.
UM, OR THE OTHER WAY SO PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK, THAT CAMERA THERE COULD SEE, NOT THAT YOU CAN SEE IT VERY WELL, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD CAN SEE HERE, RIGHT? IT IS, YEAH.
IT'S DIFFICULT WITH ALL THE CAMERAS.
HEY MEGAN, I KNOW YOU'RE GOOD AT THIS.
IF THIS IS THE SAME SITE PLAN, CAN YOU SHARE, DO YOU HAVE A PDF THAT YOU COULD SHARE ON OUR SCREEN AND THAT IT, WE CAN MAKE IT POP UP ON THE SCREEN IN THE ROOM? YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE PLAN WE PRESENTED A MONTH AGO.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT, THERE'S A DIFFERENT PLEDGE.
SO THE DIFFERENT PLAN, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE PRESENTED THIS.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY SUBMITTED.
WE WOULD ELIMINATE THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THE 18 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION CLOSEST TO THE HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON WOULD BE GONE AND REPLACED WITH PERMANENT OPENING SPACE.
WE WOULD EXTEND THE C TWO ZONING PARTIALLY INTO THE EXISTING R ONE R THREE ZONING INTO A PORTION OF THE R THREE ZONING, RR ONE ZONING.
BUT HOW WE WOULD DO THAT IS BY TRYING TO SQUEEZE IT IN BETWEEN THE WETLANDS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PRESERVING A LARGE AMOUNT OF UPLAND THERE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE.
SO THAT BUFFER, AT THE VERY CLOSEST POINT TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL LOT WOULD BE 224.61 FEET.
WE'D BE INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT TO 156 UNITS.
THAT'S DONE IN TWO WAYS BY EXTENDING THE R THREE ZONING HERE AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING SOME TWO STORY BUILDINGS OUT CLOSER TO THE BIG TREE FRONTAGE.
THE BENEFIT OF THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT IS IT'LL RESULT BASICALLY HALF OF THE ENTIRE SITE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRES BEING PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
EVERYTHING THAT'S ANYWHERE NEAR TO EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE WILL BE GREEN SPACE.
WE WOULD DERESTRICT ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING THE JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL WETLANDS.
THE ONLY TOPIC THAT WOULD COME UP, WELL THERE'S A, WHAT'S KNOWN AS APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE DEALS WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS.
THESE UNITS WILL BE SPRINKLED IF YOU'RE UNDER 200 UNITS, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A GATED SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS.
NONETHELESS, SARAH IS GOING TO SOLICIT COMMENTS AS THIS GOES FORWARD FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND IF NEED BE, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE NOT TO DO IT.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE TO WILSON DRIVE, NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.
IN ADDITION, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO ACCOMMODATE THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THROUGH THE SITE.
UH, WE COULD RELOCATE THAT AND THAT WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY.
WE, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT WAS PROPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE VOTED AGAINST TWO WEEKS AGO.
LET'S STAY, LET'S STAY ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO STAY ON THIS PROPERTY UNDER THIS ALTERNATIVE.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS SHOW YOU THIS ALTERNATIVE.
THE TOWN BOARD PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED US TO COMMENCE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT KNOWING THIS IS KIND OF STEPPING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE DIDN'T SUBMIT THE AF YET BECAUSE WE WANNA GET YOUR INPUT ON THIS AND SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
WE ACTUALLY THINK IT'S BETTER IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT GREEN SPACE BUFFERING WETLAND IMPACTS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THAT I HANDED OUT, IT'S FAIRLY DENSE VEGETATION IN THIS AREA WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE SUBDIVISION.
WHILE THAT SITE, OF COURSE IS ZONED TO ALLOW THAT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, AGAIN, THAT WOULD NOW BECOME DE RESTRICTED FOREVERGREEN PERMANENT OPEN
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SPACE.AND IT REALLY IS IN RECOGNITION OF THE INPUT WE RECEIVE IN TRYING TO SAY, HEY, AT SOME POINT THOSE HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE ARE GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS REVIEW PROCESS.
PROBABLY THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THEM WOULD BE A GUARANTEE.
THERE'LL NEVER BE ANYTHING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 'EM.
REMEMBER RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CERTAINTY.
BUT SOMETHING OF COURSE CAN GO THERE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE IN A NUTSHELL.
SEAN, THE INFORMATION YOU'RE SHARING THE SAME AS THESE TWO FILES WE HAVE ON THE MAIN SCREEN OR DO YOU HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE SHARING WITH THE BOARD? NO, SO WE HAVE, HE'S GOT A NEW PLAN THAT HE IS SHOWING US FOR THE FIRST TIME.
NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
AND SO THE NEW, SO THE NEW, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THAT PLAN YOU HAD UP, I CAN KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT WE'VE DONE.
SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, LIKE IF WE'RE GETTING THESE THINGS AID IN, WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS THEM BECAUSE HALF THE BOARD DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR PRINCIPLE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE, WE'RE IN THAT SAME SAME PLACE WHERE WE WERE TOLD YOU CAN'T SUBMIT STUFF IN CLOSE, APPROXIMATELY THE MEETING.
SO WE HAD TO BRING, WE HAD TO BRING THE PLAN.
I WILL EMAIL IT IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.
SO WE'VE ELIMINATED THE 18 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC COMING OFF WILSON DRIVE, THAT'S GONE IT'S ENTIRETY.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE EXTENDING, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE UPLAND AREA IS ON THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S ZONED R ONE.
WE'LL BE EXTENDING THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT PARTIALLY INTO THAT.
AGAIN, NINE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? SAID NINE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.
UH, NINE ON NINE ON THAT PARCEL, RIGHT.
MANY OF WHICH ARE FOUR UNIT, MANY OF WHICH ARE SINGLE STORY FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS.
THE OTHER THING WE'VE DONE IS AS WE GET CLOSER TO WILSON, SO WE HAVE TWO STORY UNITS HERE.
AND AS WE TRANSITION BACK, IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK ONLY TO ONE STORY UNITS.
AND THE OTHER THING WE'VE DONE IS TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS, WE DECIDED REALLY ONE OF THE AMENITIES YOU HAVE TO HAVE, THIS IS GONNA BE UPSCALE HOUSING, IS A CLUBHOUSE.
SO WE HAVE ALSO ADDED A CLUBHOUSE IN THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT.
SO I, I MEAN, I GUESS I, I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT.
SOLICITING FEEDBACK, UH, WORKSHOP STYLE HERE.
SO I WOULD SAY I THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
I THINK THAT THE PROVIDING THE BUFFERING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS, THE WILSON DRIVE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
MUCH SIMILAR TO THE FEEDBACK WE RECENTLY GOT OVER, UH, JOHN MICHAEL WAY I THINK WOULD BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.
I'D LIKE THAT THERE'S A BUFFER THERE AND THAT THIS PROVIDES A BETTER, UH, GRADUAL TRANSITION BETWEEN THE USES FROM R ONE TO THE, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT PROPOSAL, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, WE HAVE MORE COMMENTS.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT ADDRESS AS MANY OF MY COMMENTS IN THE RIGHT AND NONE OF US HAVE GOTTEN TO LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL.
SO YEAH, WE'VE, AND BY THE WAY, PROCEDURALLY, EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT IS INFORMAL ANYWAY, PROCEDURALLY, IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THIS, THEY GOTTA GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO REFER THIS TO US.
'CAUSE IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT REZONING APPLICATION.
SO WE'RE JUST GIVING INFORMAL OPINION AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL REQUEST.
IT WOULD'VE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
TOWN BOARD WOULD'VE TO REFER TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE ENTERTAINING THIS AND GIVE US YOUR OPINION PLANNING BOARD.
WE WOULD'VE TO AMEND THE APPLICATION.
SO, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD DO.
EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT IS INFORMAL ON THIS, UNLESS YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE ONE THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO.
THIS IS ALL INFORMAL AT THIS POINT.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF, IF THIS BOARD SAID NO, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD SHED THAT PLAN AND JUST PROCEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
THIS PLAN REALLY IS IN REACTION TO THE INPUT WE RECEIVED.
SO RECOGNIZING THAT EVERYONE HASN'T SEEN IT, MAYBE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS TABLE THIS TWO WEEKS.
WE'LL FORMALLY SUBMIT IT, GET YOUR FORMAL INPUT, AND THEN IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS AT THAT MEETING, AMEND THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DREW AND SARAH FIELD.
UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY OR JUST THE NO, NO.
UH, I I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA CUT THROUGH THAT DRIVE TO GET THE TOPS.
THERE'S NO, WE'RE NOT CONNECTING.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN WHERE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER CONNECTED.
THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN THE CULDESAC.
BUT THE CUL-DE-SAC DIDN'T CONNECT TO THE APARTMENT.
WE HAD TO DO AN EMERGENCY ACCESS.
THERE WOULD BE G OUT, IT WOULD BE GATED IF WE HAD TO DO THAT.
I'M SAYING WE'RE HERE, BUT IT, THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHY? JUST, I'M JUST GIVING MY, I I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROCESS, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS.
BUT IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE PROCESS, THEN WE DON'T GET TO THE END.
I, I NEED TO TALK TO JENNIFER, BUT WHAT I WOULD DO IS IF YOU'RE GONNA PLACE THIS TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THIS, IT WOULD BE
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A WORK SESSION ITEM AND NOT A REGULAR ITEM.IT'S NOT THE FORMAL APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU.
YOU'RE THINKING, DO YOU WANNA JUST GENERALLY TABLE IT AND THEN GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE REFERRAL HERE? HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE.
WELL, NO, THE ONLY THING I WANNA NOTICE, BECAUSE I KNOW, KNOW THIS BOARD LIKES THIS PROJECT BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
I'D RATHER HAVE THE, IT'S GOTTA BE A WORK SESSION ITEM, RIGHT? WHAT IS BEEN REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S AN INFORMAL ITEM THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR SOME INPUT ON.
I WOULD SAY DO IT AS A WORK SESSION.
YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT ON THE WORK SESSION.
I'M GIVING MY OPINIONS OR INPUT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE NEXT MEETING SO WE COULD HAVE, SO WE COULD GIVE THOSE INPUTS AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING TO PUT THIS, THIS, THE NEW IDEA ON THE WORK SESSION AND GIVE US THE INFORMATION.
SO THEN WHEN WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION, WE CAN GIVE INPUT AT THE WORK SESSION TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY ON WHETHER WE LIKE THIS PROJECT BETTER THAN THE OTHER PROJECT, BUT NOT DECIDE THAT TODAY DECIDED AT A WORK SESSION IN TWO WEEKS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE AS IF YOU WERE SEEING ANY PROJECT FOR THE FIRST TIME JUST IN A WORK SESSION.
WE CAN TAKE THIS ONE AND, RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, ACKNOWLEDGING IF IT GOES FORWARD, WE HAVE TO AMEND THE APPLICATION JUST PROCEDURALLY, TYPICALLY WE DON'T EVEN PUT SOMETHING ON A WORK SESSION UNTIL IT'S BEEN REFERRED.
BUT THIS IS TECHNICALLY BEEN REFERRED TO US, THE PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF AGAIN, OR NOT? NO.
I WOULD SAY JUST IF, IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE, THEY GOTTA GO BACK.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A NEW REFERRAL HERE.
IF WE, IF WE HAVEN'T COME BACK AT THE WORK SESSION, THE TOWN, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THE TWO PROJECTS, RIGHT.
DECIDE IF THERE'S ONE THEY LIKE BETTER.
IF THEY DEC IF WE DECIDE WE LIKE THIS ONE BETTER AT THAT WORK SESSION, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE REGULAR MEETING.
AND BETWEEN THE WORK SESSION ON THE 18TH AND THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE SECOND, THEY REAPPLY.
WE AMEND OUR APPLICATION HAS TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR ANOTHER REFERRAL.
I LIVE ON MONT AND I JUST, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO PLEASE VERY BRIEF UNDERSTAND THAT.
I LIVED THERE A LITTLE OVER 40 YEARS.
THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED FOR WALMART QUITE SOME TIME AGO.
THAT REZONING WAS DONE WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANY OF THE RESIDENTS AND ON EITHER TAM OR WILSON.
THIS REZONING, I TALKED BEFORE THE WILSON, THE RESIDENTS ON WILSON THIS MORNING WHILE I WAS WALKING MY DOG.
NOT ONE OF THEM KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE THEY, THEY ARE BLINDSIDED AS MUCH AS I AM.
I AM GOING TO BRING YOU 89 RESIDENTS WHO ARE JUST MAD AS CAN BE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I HAD A VERY EXPENSIVE EDUCATION PROGRAM ON REZONING BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE FOUND OUT ABOUT WALMART, THE TOWN HAD ALREADY SUBDIVIDED THAT PROPERTY AND REZONED IT WITHOUT TALKING.
WELL, I, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT I WILL TRY AND DO MUCH BETTER THAN THEY DID WITH WALMART.
I WASN'T ON PLANNING BOARD WHEN THAT HAPPENED BY THE TOWN FOR A DEVELOPER.
AND I'M WATCHING, I'M FEELING AT DEJAVU WATCHING THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND YOU NEED TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS.
THERE'S NOT A HEARING WHO WON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT? WE DON'T.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES, SIR.
YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED BY THE CROWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN THE, WHEN THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULED PUBLIC DUTY.
THE TOWN BOARD MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THESE ARE JUST A, THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY.
WHEN IT GETS TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEY SET A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THE PARALEGAL IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SENDS NOTIFICATIONS OUT WITHIN
SIR, BEFORE, THE OTHER THING IS, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, PROVIDE ME WITH YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION MS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT NEIGHBORS KNOWING WHEN THE PROJECT IS.
AND I KNOW THAT I I'VE DISCOURAGED PEOPLE TO COME DEAD ISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE A COLLECT SIR, SIR, LET US SIR.
SIR, SIR, I KNOW I'M TRYING TO REDUCE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU, MY GOAL WILL BE THAT YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE INPUT ON THIS PROJECT THAN YOU DID ON WALMART WHEN IT'S DONE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT I UNDERSTAND IN THE PAST SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED THAT MAYBE YOU FELT LIKE YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR CHANCE.
I'M GOING TO WORK TO MAKE IT SO YOU DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.
I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA DECIDE ON THE REZONING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL RECOMMEND ON THE REZONING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE WILL GET YOUR INPUT.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T WITH THE WALMART, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE AND TERRIBLE, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT BOARD AND
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WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES THAN WE WANT YOUR INPUT.UM, WE DON'T WANNA PROMISE THINGS WE CAN'T DO IF THEY STUCK WITH THE ORIGINAL REZONING.
IF THAT ORIGINAL REZONING IS NOT WITHIN 500 FEET OF THOSE RESIDENCE ON AKA, THEY WILL NOT GET A NOTICE IN THE MAIL.
I DIDN'T SAY NOTICE IN THE MAIL.
I DID SAY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE COMMENTS.
WOULD YOU WANNA REZONE, WOULD YOU ASK TO REZO? SO WOULD INCREASE WOULD BE REZONING INTO THE PORTION THAT'S R ONE HERE.
AND I KNOW THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T HERE CAN'T SEE.
ITS PROBABLY ANOTHER FOUR ACRES TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THE RESIDENT IS HERE.
I WILL GET HIS CONTACT INFORMATION.
WE, WE WANT SHARE INFORMATION.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT EITHER.
AND WE'RE HOPING ONCE THE RESIDENTS ON WILSON SEE THIS, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WITH NO ACCESS.
SO I AM GONNA MAKE, WELL THE WORK SESSION ITEM WOULD BE A NEW ITEM.
SO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO THE REG, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL TO THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 18TH.
AND DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS AT THE WORK SESSION WILL DEPEND ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE GLENN WETZEL REZONING REQUEST TO NOVEMBER 18TH, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
THERE WILL BE ONE ON THE WORK SESSION AND THE INITIAL APPLICATION WILL REMAIN ON THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT MAYBE
IF THE WORK SESSION GOES THE OTHER WAY, THEN WHEN WE GET TO IT ON THE REGULAR MEETING, WE'LL JUST SAY WE ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS.
DO WE HAVE, SO THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING UNDER OTHER BUSINESS? NO.
UM, WE DO HAVE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 21ST.
I HAVE A CORRECTION I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THERE.
IF THEY DON'T CHANGE THE WINDOWS, I'M OUTTA IT.
IT WASN'T A STRONGLY SUGGESTED IT WAS FACT.
SO HOW DO I AMEND MY MOTION TO ADJUST VANESSA'S CORRECTIONS? I THINK YOU SAY I AMEND MY MOTION TO ADJUST FOR DENNIS'S CORRECTION.
YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
I AMENDING MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DENNIS IS REQUESTING THE CHANGE.
SO IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU WITH JUST THE BACKGROUND.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOOD ON YOUR TRAINING? YES.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS COMING UP.
A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T SEE ME WAVE BECAUSE I'M NOT FROM THE CAMERA.