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ALL, YOU SHOULD BE UP JUST A SECOND.
DO YOU WANNA CALL AL WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS ONE TO SEE IF HE'S HAVING ANY TROUBLE? I DON'T HOW TO REACH OUT.
OH, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACH OUT? WAIT A MINUTE.
I HAVE A BUNCH OF TEXTS FROM PEOPLE.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM MATT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACH OUT.
DOUG, DID YOU WANNA REACH OUT? LET ME, PAMMY, IS YOUR ASSISTANT GONNA NEED BILL TO SIGN OFF ON HER CIVICS CREDITS?
YOU THE PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT.
SHE'S LOOKING AT ALL THE HEADS RIGHT NOW.
SHE FIND IT VERY ENTERTAINING.
AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, CAN WE CHANGE THE BACKGROUND BILL? YOU'RE UP ON THE, OH, YOU'RE ON FACEBOOK? YEP.
SO SHAW HEATING COOLING, REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT FOUR AT 5 8 3 3 CAMP ROAD.
UH, KEVIN ROUT FOR ATIA AND ATIA APPEARING ON BEHALF OF, UM, SHAW HEATING AND COOLING WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, BY WAY OF UPDATE, WE HAVE, UM, SINCE THE APPLICATION WAS UH, SUBMITTED, WE HAVE, UH, ALSO SUBMITTED A, UH, A AREA VARIANCE APPLICATION AND A USE VARIANCE APPLICATION.
THE AREA VARIANCE APPLICATION DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE ADDITION THAT IS REFERRED TO IN THE, UH, REQUEST FOR SITE FOR APPROVAL, UM, OFF OF THE BACK, THE EXISTING, UM, UH, STRUCTURE, UM, UH, STALEY.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, UH, SIGN APPLICATION, UM, IS, IS IS SEPARATE.
UH, THERE'LL BE TWO OF THOSE ONES THAT USED AND ONE'S AN AREA VARIANCE THAT WILL BE FOR THE SIGNAGE AT THE FRONT OF THE PARCEL ALONG CAMP ROAD.
SO THE, THE USE VARIANCE WOULD ALSO BE FOR THE ZONING BOARD, CORRECT? YEAH.
THE SIGN, THE USE SCENARIO, VARI FOR THE SIGN DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
YOU GUYS, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH US IS THE, THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE VARIANCE, EXCEPT THAT, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UNLESS ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD OBJECTS TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ONE ON THE SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER, OR SECOND MEETING OF DECEMBER.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WITH IT GOING FROM NOTHING TO ORANGE IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
UM, BEFORE THEN, IF WE CAN GET SOME COLOR RENDERINGS OF THE ADDITION SO WE CAN SEE HOW IT LOOKS WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALL WE WOULD NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW BIG IS THE ADDITION? AGAIN? THE ADDITION IS, UH, 15 BY 30.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE PLANNING BOARD THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN JUST A, A RENDERING TO CONSIDER A 15 BY 30 EDITION ADDITION? NO.
AND THE REASON THIS ISN'T THE SITE PLAN WAIVER IS BECAUSE IT NEEDS THE VARI VARIANCE.
IF IT WASN'T FOR THE VARIANCES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
UM, SO THE ZONING BOARD MAY NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA DO THE USE VARIANCE IN THE AREA OF AREAS.
BUT FOR US, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SHAW HEATING AND COOLING FOR DECEMBER 16TH.
MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 16TH SECOND.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GULL'S GARDEN CENTER, REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING GREENHOUSE AT 4 7 6 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
YOU HERE FOR THAT ONE? I AM HERE.
I JUST WANNA, UH, WE HAVE THE PLACE THEN ALREADY, UH, WAS SUBMITTED.
UH, DARYL MARTIN, I DON'T HAVE A COPY BECAUSE IT'S DARYL MARTIN, BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED.
WE WERE ADD ON TWO MORE GREENHOUSES AND A FULL BARN OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OF, UH, EXPANSION.
7,500 SQUARE FOOT OF IT IS RETAIL.
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STORED.SAME LOOK THAT WE HAVE NO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, COULD CONTINUE JUST LIKE WE HAVE.
WE PURCHASED A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR FROM, FROM, UH, MILLION MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE IT, UH, IT ALL FITS IN THERE IN THE AIR.
AND THE PLACE WHERE YOU NEED A VARIANCE IS, IS THAT PROPERTY THE 20 FOOT IN FRONT? RIGHT.
YEAH, IT'S 20 FOOT, BUT IT, IT IS 42 WIDE, 20 FOOT IN DEPTH.
THAT'S WHERE WE'LL NEED THE VARIANCE.
UH, WE HAD IT FOR THE, WHEN WE DID OUR LAST EXPANSION, IT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO US NOW, IT WOULD JUST BE, UH, UH, CONTINUATION OF THAT.
SO THE, THOSE VARIS FROM THE SHAW PROJECT PLUS MR. GO'S PROJECT ARE ALL ON THE DECEMBER 1ST ZONING BOARD APPEAL.
SO I, I THINK WE CAN DO THE SAME THING ON THE GULLAH GUARD CENTER THAT WE JUST DID FOR THE LAST ONE.
UM, I MEAN, THE GREENHOUSES ARE BIGGER, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT MORE SPACE, UH, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED A USE VARIANCE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER OPINIONS ON THAT? SO IF WE COULD GET A COLOR RENDERING TOO, THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE FOR IT.
UM, I DON'T THINK, LEMME CHECK MY EMAILS.
I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING THE, THE PLAN, BUT MAYBE I CAN.
SO ARE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE PARKING EXPECTED FOR THIS? OR ARE YOU EXPECTING ANY ADDITIONAL VOLUME AT ANY GIVEN POINT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, PATRONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING OR ADDITIONAL TRUCK ACCESS? UH, NO, NO, NO ADDITIONAL TRUCK ACCESS.
UH, IT'S JUST ALL INSIDE SALES FLOOR AREA.
UM, MOST OF THE STUFF WE PUT IN THERE, WE BRING IN THERE OURSELVES.
SO THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA TRUCKS.
IT'S STILL OUR TRUCK BRINGING IT.
UM, AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, WE HAVE NOT PLANNED ON ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING.
WE, WE ARE, UH, ABLE TO USE EVEN HOUSE'S PARKING, WHICH GIVES US ANOTHER 65 CARS ON TOP OF OUR, I THINK WE HAVE 80 OR 85 SPOTS.
SO REALLY WE HAVE ABOUT 150 PARKING SPOTS.
THAT'S THERE, IT WAS JUST, I GOT IT ON NOVEMBER 5TH, SO I FORGOT.
SO, UM, YOU WANT A COLOR? WHAT? HOW DO YOU COLOR THE GREENHOUSE? YEAH, IT'S GLASS.
A PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE GLASS AS THE SAME COLOR AS THE OTHER GLASS.
WE CAN WE DRAW IT OURSELVES? YEAH.
IT DOESN'T NEED, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE DID IT, WE DID THAT BEFORE WHEN WE DID ANOTHER EXPANSION.
THE, THE REASON I ASKED FOR IT IS BECAUSE WE HAD A PROJECT, A DIFFERENT PROJECT WHERE THEY GAVE US A BLACK AND WHITE, AND THE EXISTING BUILDING HAD A RED ROOF.
AND WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT IN THE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURES, IT LOOKED LIKE IT MATCHED.
AND THEN WHEN THEY BUILT IT, THEY BUILT THE NEW ONE WITH A BLACK ROOF NEXT TO THE RED ROOF AND IT DOESN'T LOOK, IT LOOKS RIDICULOUS.
SO, SO WE WANNA AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED ASKING, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD SHOW US THAT THE GLASS YEAH.
IT'S GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, WE, WE TAKE THE EXISTING WALL AND WE MOVE IT OUT.
WE JUST ADD IN THE MIDDLE, THE TOP IS GONNA MATCH WHAT, WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALL POSITIVE.
THAT'S, SO JUST SOMETHING SO WE CAN HAVE ON THE PLAN THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA MATCH WHAT'S THERE.
AND I KNOW YOU'D WANT IT TO MATCH WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE OH YEAH.
AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, I MEAN, I HAVE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES ON THE BACKSIDE THAT IS, UH, OVER PRO LOW PARKING.
WE ALWAYS USE IT FOR PARKING WHILE WE HAD OUR, UH, FESTIVALS IN THAT.
SO THERE, THERE'S EVEN MORE PARKING.
AND I, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE USUALLY WHEN I DRIVE PAST THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING SPACES.
I MEAN, I THINK I, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE TIMES I'VE BEEN OVER THERE, THERE'S BEEN PARKING.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE GULL'S GARDEN CENTER, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR GULL'S GARDEN CENTER ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 SECOND.
SO A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 16TH AND WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
BUT I HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING ON DECEMBER 1ST THOUGH, RIGHT.
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AND WHEN DO WE WANT THE RENDERING FOR THE ZONING OR FOR THE, FOR THE 16TH ZONING BOARD WON'T NEED IT.WE NEED IT FOR OR EARLIER BY THE HAVE IT TO ME BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE TEENTH.
THAT, THAT WAY WE, WE CAN ALL GET IT AND SEE IT, AND WE'LL KNOW EVERYTHING BY THE TIME THE PUBLIC HEARING STARTS.
AND IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE CAN FINISH ALL UP.
TOUGH BUILDING THEM IN THE WINTER.
SO,
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUFFALO MULTI-FIT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL USE AT THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 1 1 0 ST.
SHOULD WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT ONE? THEY ARE UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO GO AHEAD AND TELL 'EM WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU PROPOSED TO DO.
SORRY, WE DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.
WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? SURE.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, UH, WE'RE SEEKING PERMISSION TO ALLOW US TO CONVERT PART OF OUR SPACE INTO A WINE BAR, UM, WHILE ALLOWING US TO UTILIZE SOME OF OUR SPACE FOR THE PERSONAL TRAINING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THEY CURRENTLY, UH, UTILIZE IT AS A, AS A FITNESS FACILITY.
AND THEY'RE, THEY JUST WANNA ADD THIS USE TO THE FITNESS FACILITY USE.
SO, SO WE CHANGED THE WINE LAW RECENTLY.
WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE ZONING OF THE CURRENT BUILDING? IT'S C TWO AND WITH OUR WINERY LAW, I THINK WE ALLOWED WINE TASTING AND C TWO.
RIGHT? WELL, THIS ISN'T A WINERY.
IT'S JUST JUST A, IT'S A WINE BAR.
SO IT BE, SO IT'D BE RETAIL, ALCOHOL, SALES.
ROGER, ROGER SAID AS A PERMITTED USE, HE JUST WANTS TO KIND REVIEW WITH IT.
AND NOT ADDING ANY PARKING, THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING ANYTHING.
CAN YOU REITERATE WHAT SARAH JUST SAID? BECAUSE SHE'S HARD TO HEAR ON COMPUTER.
IF THEY'RE NOT ADDING, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING ON THE OUTSIDE.
THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING OR TAKING ANYTHING AWAY.
THEY'RE JUST ADDING THE USE OF, OF RETAIL SALES OF WINE.
SO, ON THE INSIDE, UM, ROGER SAID, OKAY, SOMEBODY'S NOT MUTED ON MUTE.
UH, IF YOU CALL IN BY PHONE, CALL IN USER TWO, CAN YOU PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF? YEAH.
CAN YOU MUTE THEM? RIDICULOUS.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY CALL, I, UH, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FROM HOST COMPUTER.
I CAN DO IT ON THIS COMPUTER HERE.
THIS ONE'S THE HOST, RIGHT? THAT ONE'S THE HOST.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IT'S, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA SWEEP NO, WE ALREADY KNOW WHO IT'S OH, OKAY.
BECAUSE IT POPS UP WHEN THEY TALK.
I HAVE, UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S 16 PARKING SPACES OUT FRONT.
IS THIS GONNA SERVE OTHER PEOPLE OR JUST YOUR CUSTOMERS FOR THE MULTI-FIT FOR WHAT YOU DO NOW? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COME THERE TO BE SERVED WIDE? UM, OR IS THIS JUST FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS? NO, WE, WE INTEND TO SERVE OTHERS THAN JUST OUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS.
Y'ALL GONNA HAVE TO GIVE US A SEAT COUNT.
UH, THAT'S GONNA HELP US JUDGE WHETHER THE PARKING SPACES ARE ENOUGH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW CORRECT YOU, IF I WENT ON GOOGLE, IT LOOKED LIKE 16 PARKING SPACES OUT FRONT, EIGHT ON ONE SIDE, EIGHT ON THE OTHER.
WELL, THE GYM WILL, THE BOUTIQUE PERSON TRAINING FACILITY WILL NOT BE OPEN WHEN, UH, THE WINE BAR IS OPEN.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO A COUNT BASED UPON, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO PROVE THE PARKING SPACE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS CHANGING USE IS ONE OF THE ONLY REASONS WE WE LOOK AT IS, IS PARKING.
MAKE SURE THE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THAT NEW, NEW USE OR THAT ADDITIONAL USE.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S A NEW USE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UM, BE USING THE FITNESS CENTER WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE WINE BAR.
SO HOW MANY SEATS DO YOU HAVE? TYPICALLY, IT IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY THREE SEATS.
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AT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.HAS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TOLD YOU YOU'RE GONNA NEED ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, HANDICAP SPACES FOR HAVING A, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BAR KIND OF RESTAURANT, WHICH FITS IN THE C TWO ZONE.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A ONE, THEY, THEY HAVE 17 PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING A HANDICAP.
AND, UH, SARAH, YOU CAN JUST CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE OKAY ON HANDICAP PARKING SPACES AND PLANNING BOARD AFTER WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THINK ABOUT, THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IN THE FACILITY OR NUMBER OF SEATS OR SOMETHING TO DO A CALCULATION TO SAY THAT THIS IS GONNA BE FINE FOR THE AMOUNT OR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU HAVE.
HOW MANY SEATS DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE? DO YOU GUYS KNOW ALREADY? I'M SORRY.
HOW MANY SEATS ARE THERE GONNA BE IN THE WINE AREA? DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, I THINK WE WERE TARGETING AROUND 30 TO 36 SEATS.
SO WE USUALLY DO TWO FOR EVERY FIVE SEATS.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE NUMBER WE WERE WORKING WITH.
WE FELT LIKE THE PARKING WAS, THAT WOULD BE 1215.
SO IT, IT'S ENOUGH AS LONG AS THE GYM'S NOT GOING AT THE SAME TIME, SO.
THE GYM, THE TYPICAL GYM OPERATION FOR US CURRENTLY IS DURING DAYS, NINE HOURS EARLY MORNING.
AND SO THIS WOULD FIT FOR LATE EVENING, AFTERNOON, EVENING HOURS.
SO BASICALLY IT'S GONNA BE A RESTAURANT SERVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
AND, AND WE WOULD HAVE A FOOD VENUE FOR, FOR LIQUOR LICENSE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THERE IN ESTABLISHMENT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON YOU NEED A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY'S GONNA NEED SOME SORT OF APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN VIA A LIQUOR LICENSE.
WE'RE ALREADY STARTED WORKING WITH, UH, LIQUOR AUTHORITY.
SO CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE A HEALTH PERMIT IN THE PREMISE.
'CAUSE WE DO SERVE, UM, FOOD IN THE PREMISE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR YEARS, SO NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO EXPAND TO WINE AND BEER.
ALSO, THE, THE PREMISE HAS A DEMISING LOSS, SO WE'RE BASICALLY UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE SPACE FOR THE WINE BAR.
SO KIND OF LAID IT OUT THAT WAY.
SO FOR, FOR OUR ROLE, IT, IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THAT COFFEE SHOP ON ROUTE FIVE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHERE THE ONLY CHANGES ARE TO THE INSIDE, BUT IT'S A CHANGE OF USE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THIS NOT BEING ON ROUTE FIVE, THERE'S A LOT MORE SPACE AND A LOT MORE PARKING ALREADY.
SO IT PROBABLY WON'T BE AS, AS DIFFICULT TO, TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
BUT THE, THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THAT ONE.
WELL, SO IF, IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE 35 SEATS, UH, THEY WOULD NEED 14 PARKING SPACES BY OUR CODE AND THEY HAVE 17.
SO, SO, SO, SO WE, WE ALREADY, IT, IT IS EASIER TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT INFORMATION, SO THAN IT WAS WITH THE HOW MANY, UH, COWORKING WOULD NEED.
SO IT WON'T BE AS COMPLICATED, BUT THE PROCESS WILL BE THE SAME.
SARAH KNOWS WE, WE HAVE TO APPROVE PARKING.
THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO VARIANCES OR ANYTHING.
THE PLANNING BOARD MAKES A DECISION ON ADEQUATE PARKING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE APPLICANT JUST SUBMIT IN WRITING THAT, YOU KNOW, 35 SEATS, ET CETERA.
SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING AND, AND THAT SITE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED THROUGH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
IT WILL BE LIMITED TO 35 SEATS.
SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
THE, THE LINE WON'T BE SERVED WHILE THE FITNESS CENTER IS OPEN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE TAKING UP SEATS AND PARKING SPACES AND OTHER PEOPLE USING THE, UH, THE FACILITY FITNESS, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THINK WE'LL SCHEDULE THIS ONE TO COME BACK ON DECEMBER 2ND.
FOR, AND WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THEM? JUST THE NUMBER OF SEATS BY THEN IN WRITING OR? YEAH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT
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BEFORE THEN? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL, ALL WE'LL NEED FOR THAT.SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT FOR DECEMBER.
IF YOU JUST REMEMBER TO MUTE OR LOG OFF.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA IS GLAMOUR BEAUTY BAR REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 240 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 8 7 9 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST PROJECT WE'VE GOT COMING TO US AS THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE.
UH, DIFFERENT THAN THOSE OTHER TWO PROJECTS THAT WE HAD, NUMBER ONE AND TWO ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.
BLAZEDALE RULES DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TYPE OF ADDITION.
WHAT WE DO IS WE REVIEW THE PROJECT AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE ZONING OFFICER.
SO IT, IN SOME WAYS IT IS MORE LIKE A REZONING, BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN ADDITION AND IT'S NOT A CHANGE OF USE OR ANYTHING? UM, NO.
THE ZONING, THE ZONING OFFICER IS, IS OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO, TO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ROGER.
SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD JUST SCHEDULE THIS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WE'RE GONNA NEED FROM THE APPLICANT TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WELL BILL ALSO, UM, THE CODE DOESN'T SAY A RECOMMENDATION.
IT JUST SAYS IT REQUIRES PLANNING BOARD REVIEW.
IT DOESN'T SAY A REC, I THOUGHT IT SAID A RECOMMENDATION.
NO, WHY DO I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN AS A RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I WROTE NO REVIEW BY THE IT'S RIGHT HERE.
HERE IT'S VERY, THAT'S, UH, BB ONE.
B ONE JUST SAYS SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON ITS OWN AUTHORITY ON THE PERMITS SHALL BE REVIEWED IN.
SARAH BILL IT, IT DOESN'T SAY RECOMMENDATION, BUT JUST BY THE CON CONNOTATION THAT WE'RE REVIEWING IT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SENDING SOMETHING TO THE, TO THE ZONING OFFICER.
SO, AND BILLING INSPECTORS SO THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION.
SO IT DOESN'T COME OUT AND SAY, I MEAN, FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT HAS SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, BUT THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
IT JUST SAYS REVIEW, BUT YOU WOULD ASSUME IF YOU'RE REVIEWING IT, YOU'RE GIVING SOME INPUT TO OTHERWISE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE REVIEW? RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST GIVING SOME INPUT SAYING YOU REVIEWED IT AND, AND DIDN'T SEE ANY CONCERNS WITH IT.
IS THERE ANYONE I WOULD BE THAT ASSUMPTION BASED UPON THE CODE I READ THROUGH THAT CODE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE, UH, FOR GLAMOR BEAUTY BAR? YEP, SHE'S ON, SHE'S ON WHICH ONE? UM, HER NAME IS MAYA.
MAYA WAS ON, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE WENT.
IS SHE CALLING USER TOO? NO, SHE WAS, AND YOU COULD SEE HER.
I CAN TELL YOU IT IS A 200 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION STRICTLY FOR STORAGE.
AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY ROGER.
IT NEEDS, IT MEETS THE BLAZED OUT CODE.
IT JUST NEEDS REVIEWED BY THE, BY THE, THIS PLAIN.
I I THINK WHAT WE WOULD WANT FOR REVIEW IS SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER ADDITIONS.
WE WANT TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHOWS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S RECONNECTED.
YEAH, MY GAR WELL, WHILE SHE'S LOGGING ON, WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, UH, ADDITIONS PLUS, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO
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KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITION FROM THE STREET OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC AREA.IT GOES RIGHT OFF, IT GOES RIGHT OFF THE BACK, THE ROOF, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE OFF THE BACK.
SO WE WILL GIVE MY A FEW MORE SECONDS HERE.
MAYA DARWISH, CAN YOU HEAR US? I THINK WE JUST LOST HER AGAIN.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE LOST HER AGAIN.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? SHOULD WE WAIT? I'M SO SORRY.
YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME NOW? OH, YEP.
WHY DON'T YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT YOU WANNA DO? I A BEAUTIFUL LETTER.
THAT BEAUTY BAR THAT I OPENED UP, UM, OVER SIX MONTHS AGO, AND I JUST NEED AN OFFICE AND STORAGE SPACE.
I JUST NEED TO ENLARGE MY BACK ROOM.
I HAVE A BIG BACKYARD THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO USE AND I JUST WANNA DO A NICE ROOM WHERE I CAN HAVE MY OFFICE AND SOME STORAGE SPACE.
SO, SO THE TWO THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HEAR US WHILE YOU WERE CONNECTING, UM, THIS ADDITION.
WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC PLACE IF I CAN SEE THEM? IF WILL YOU, WHEN, WHEN YOU ADD THE ADDITION, IF I WAS STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK AND I LOOKED AT YOUR STORE RIGHT NOW AND THEN I LOOKED AT IT AFTER THE ADDITION WAS BUILT, WOULD I BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE SIDEWALK? THE SIDEWALK? YOU COULD SEE THE SIDE DOOR PROBABLY, BUT IT'S BEHIND.
IT'S, IT'S GOING CON CONCURRENT WITH MY BACK DOOR.
IT'S GOING EXACTLY STRAIGHT, CONCURRENT, AND JUST EXPANDING IN LENGTH, NOT IN WIDTH.
AND WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE SO WE COULD SEE HOW IT WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING? UM, I DID GET AN ARCHITECT PAPERS SUBMITTED.
YEAH, BUT I DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE THREE COPIES OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS COLORS THOUGH.
BECAUSE I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN IT.
LIKE, LIKE I SAID TO ONE OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS, WE HAD AN ADDITION, UM, PROBABLY A YEAR AGO NOW, WHERE THEY, THEY GAVE US THE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURES AND WE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING THAT MATCHED THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE IN BLACK AND WHITE IT LOOKED LIKE IT DID.
IT'S GONNA BE EXACT, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME SIZE, JUST LONGER.
UM, IF YOU'RE FRONT OF MY SPOT, YOU CANNOT SEE IT.
BUT, BUT WILL THE, WILL THE COLOR OF THE ROOF BE THE SAME AS THE COLOR OF THE EXISTING ROOF? WILL THE COLOR OF THE SIDING BE THE SAME? YES.
I MEAN, NO, UM, NO, IT'S CONCRETE, BUT IT'S GRAY.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE SOMETHING MESSY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN PICTURES.
I'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLIMENTS FROM THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY SAY THAT THIS SAYS IN BELONGING BLA.
I I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT ANY PICTURES.
YOU COULD SEND US SOME THOUGH.
HOW CAN I SEND THAT TO YOU? HERE? HERE? UM, EMAIL THAT TO SARAH.
YOU SEE THIS PICTURE? RIGHT? THAT PICTURE.
BUT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT PICTURE, THE ACTUAL SPA, NOT THE BLUE PICTURE BILL.
THIS IS DREW IN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, JUST BE, BE CAREFUL WE DON'T HAVE THAT IF WE'RE NOT DOING SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH ACTS AS WOULD IN OUR WALL ASK US TO LOOK AT BUILDING ELEVATIONS, WHATEVER, WE COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING THE BUILDING IS GONNA MATCH COLOR AND FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE CHOSEN ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEARN WITH THE ZONING OFFICER.
MAYBE TALK TO HIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE REALLY NEEDS RIGHT FROM US IN REVIEWS.
SO, SO YEAH, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE.
THERE'S NO GUIDANCE TO TELL US.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE OR COLOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, OUR SITE PLAN LAW REQUIRES
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US THAT TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ELEVATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.SO I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WITH THE VILLAGE AND FIND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO JUST SAY, JUST PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
SHE JUST IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION? THE PEOPLE THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THINK WE WILL NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING OFFICER FOR THIS EDITION.
IT'S OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR.
SO LET'S, YOU WANT ME TO SHOW EM TO HIM? I CAN PROBABLY EMAIL IT TO ME.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE BACKYARD, RIGHT? EMAIL IT TO THEM.
WAIT, SO I GUESS THE RIGHT THEN, THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE GLAMOUR BEAUTY BAR FOR DECEMBER 2ND, AT WHICH TIME WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING OFFICER.
SECOND BY MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
IN THE MEANTIME, BILL, UH, VOLUNTEER SARAH OR SARAH OR I JUST CALL, UH, WHO IS IT, WHO IN THE, UH, HAMER BILLING DEPARTMENT IS, IS THAT ROGER? IT'S ROGER, YES.
AND JUST ASK HIM WHAT HE IS LOOKING FOR.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN OUR COACH.
IT'S, IT'S TO US BECAUSE IT IT'S IN THE
WELL, I, SO I GUESS, CAN I SAY TO GO BACK TO THE NOISY ROOM TO, TO BRING UP WHAT, UH, WHAT MR. SHAW WAS RAISING.
DO WE THINK WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO TODAY IS A RE IS A SUFFICIENT REVIEW FOR THE BLA CODE? OR WOULD WE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME? WHAT DO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THINK ABOUT THAT QUESTION? WHAT, WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT INFORMATION.
AND, AND ACCORDING TO WHAT DREW'S SAYING, THEY JUST WANT A RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UH, IF IT JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND IT, AS LONG AS IT ALL LOOKS THIS EQUIPMENT MEETS THEIR CODE, FINE.
YOU WANNA WITHDRAW MY OTHER MOTION AND, AND CHANGE IT TO, HOLD ON.
CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE WORK SESSION OR DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT ON A REGULAR LEAVE BECAUSE IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND THERE'S NO RE OTHER REQUIREMENTS? I THINK WE CAN DO IT ON A WORK SESSION.
BECAUSE THE, THE, THE CODE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PUBLIC NOTICES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I I THINK THAT'S, I I THINK IT'S, IT IS LEGAL FOR US TO DO AT A WORK SESSION.
SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO SCHEDULE IT ON THE SECOND AND I'LL REPLACE THAT WITH A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE ZONING OFFICER ALLOW THE ADDITION AS LONG AS THE ADDITION MATCHES THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND YOU MAKE SURE MAYA UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE JUST SAID.
SO, SO MAYA, WHAT WE DID IS, INSTEAD OF COMING BACK ON DECEMBER 2ND, WE'RE JUST GONNA TELL THE ZONING BOARD, UH, THE ZONING OFFICER THAT WE, AS LONG AS THE BUILDING MATCHES, AS LONG AS THE ADDITION MATCHES THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.
UM, DO I EXIT FROM HERE? YES, PLEASE.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND BE SAFE.
HANDLED OUR FIRST SUCCESSFUL BLADE STONE CASE, SIR.
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MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDED TO BE, I GUESS.SO I THINK SARAH HAS TO TALK TO ROGER AND JUST WORK OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND PUT A, PUT A, LIKE A LITTLE CHECKLIST TOGETHER AND SAY THIS IS WHAT HE IS ASKING US TO DO AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH SITE PLAN.
SO I THINK NEXT TIME IF WE GET ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING, I HAVE NOTHING, NO CODE OR ANYTHING TO LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE? YEAH.
FINAL ITEM FOR THE WORK SESSION IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIGTREE ROAD, EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R THREE IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ALL GOT A REALLY NICE AND LONG LETTER FROM MR. HOPKINS.
UM, IT BASICALLY, WE, WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT BEFORE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE WORK SESSION IS THIS IS DECIDING IF WE LIKE THIS VERSION BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT THEY MADE THE APPLICATION FOR ALREADY.
AND IF WE LIKE THIS ONE BETTER, THEN THEY'LL PUT IN A REQUEST TO DO THE, THE THIS ONE.
AND IF WE LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONE BETTER, THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL ONE, WHICH IS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR TODAY'S.
CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, GLEN WEZEL.
ALSO WITH ME AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
AS CHAIRMAN INDICATED IN INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS DURING YOUR LAST WORK SESSION, WE PRESENTED AN UPDATED PLAN INFORMALLY AS YOUR INPUT.
I SUBSEQUENT NOVEMBER 9TH SUBMITTED A LETTER EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CURRENT PLAN OR THE UPDATED PLAN AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'VE DONE.
SO THE PLAN THAT WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU ON OCTOBER 7TH CONSISTED OF THE REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 16.4 ACRES.
THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
C ONE TO R THREE WE'RE SHOWING AT THAT TIME WAS 16 BUILDINGS RANGING FROM TWO DAY TWO DAY UNITS, APPROXIMATELY 200 PARKING SPACES AND PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT EVENING AND SOME CONCERNS THAT MAY BE RAISED IN THE FUTURE BY OWNERS OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID ON WILSON, WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO TRY AND ENSURE WE WOULD NOT BE IMPACTING AS MUCH WETLANDS AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO THE UPDATED PLAN, WHICH WAS ALSO ATTACHED TO MY LETTER, WHAT IT SHOWS IS ELIMINATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED 18 RESIDENTIAL LOT SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CONNECTING IN ON WILSON.
WE'VE EXPANDED THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT BY A FEW ACRES, SO NOW IT'S 156 UNITS.
UM, WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE SPECIFICALLY BEHIND THOSE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON BY SEVERAL ACRES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN, THE PROPOSED NEW PLAN, ALL OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON WILSON WOULD BACK UP THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND THERE WOULD BE NO ROADWAY CONNECTIONS TO WILSON EXCEPT FOR THE FACT, AS PART OF THE SITE BETTER REVIEW PROCESS, WE HAD TO HAVE GATED EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS.
NOW I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
IT WOULD BE GATED, IT WOULD NOT NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'S REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE EMERGENCY ACCESS STANDARDS AND APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE.
BUT IF IT IS REQUIRED, WE COULD PROVIDE THAT.
IT ALSO DOES ELIMINATE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS CONTAINING WETLANDS AND ENSURING THAT THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS DON'T ENCROACH INTO THOSE WETLANDS.
UH, CHRIS, I THINK OUR UPDATED PLAN, WHAT'S THE WETLAND IMPACT? UH, 0.04.
SO WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 0.04 ACRES, ALL THE REMAINDER OF THE WETLANDS, AND THERE IS A FAIRLY LARGE WETLAND WITH THE SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES WILL BE AND INCLUDED IN THAT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO IF THE BOARD EXPRESSES A PREFERENCE FOR THE UPDATED PLAN, WHICH WE THINK DOES ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY RAISED, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE REFERRED BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD IN EARLY DECEMBER WOULD THEN HOPEFULLY MAKE AN ADDITIONAL REFERRAL BACK TO THIS BOARD.
WE WOULD SUBMIT AN AMENDED APPLICATION PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
I THINK WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO PRESENT IT ONCE AGAIN FORMALLY FOR PURPOSES OF ULTIMATELY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD DURING A MEETING ON JANUARY 6TH OF IT.
SARAH FOURTH, THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE TOO LATE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT ON THE SECOND MEETING DECEMBER.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE WOULD WELCOME TO ADDRESS.
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I ALSO WANNA NOTE THERE WAS ONE RESIDENT WHO WAS HERE WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST, WHO HAD SOME QUESTIONS.I THOUGHT YOU, I THINK YOU REMEMBER RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT NOT FEELING LIKE HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF THE WALMART PROJECT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, WE MET WITH HIM IN THE HALL.
WE SHOWED HIM THE UPDATED PLAN AND HE EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE FOR THE UPDATED PLAN AND WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE ARE NOT PROVIDING A PUBLIC ROADWAY CONNECTION TO WILSON.
HE LIVES ON, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET HE LIVES ON, AKA DRIVE.
AND WE ALSO DID ASSURE EVERYONE TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO THE EXTENT THEY WANNA BE PROVIDED WITH INFORMATION.
AND TO THE EXTENT WE CAN MEET WITH 'EM EITHER REMOTELY OR IN PERSON, DEPENDING ON THE COVID SITUATION, UH, WE WILL WIDELY DO SO.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
SO, SO THE QUESTION FOR US REALLY IS WHICH PROJECTS DO WE THINK WOULD BE BETTER GOING FORWARD TO CONSIDER? UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE THAT THEY WANNA SHARE RIGHT NOW? WELL, THEY, UH, WERE ADDRESSING COMMENTS THAT I NEED.
I, WHAT DID THEY HAVE BETTER? I THINK RESERVED THE, I THINK THE QUESTION HOW WE ZONING FROM R ONE TO R THREE ON THE PORTION OF THAT PARCEL WITH THE ORIGINAL AND SOME OF THE OTHER SPACE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AND PART OF THAT I LOVE TO, BUT I I THINK IT'S A MORE USABLE LAYOUT DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IS CLEAR.
SO CHRIS REALLY MADE A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO DO THIS AND RECOGNITION OF THOSE HOMEOWNER ON WILSON, THE NARROWEST WIDTH OF THAT PERMIT OPEN SPACE IS 200 FEET.
SO AT ALL POINTS IT'S THE MINIMUM OF 200 FEET AND TO A LARGE THANK YOU.
AND THE PERMIT OPEN SPACE UNDER THE REVISED PLAN IS 20 OF TO 42 ACRES.
SO LITERALLY NEARLY 50% OF THIS SITE WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
THAT BACK, JOHN, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET AT THE CLOSEST POINT, PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO I, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL JUST PULL, PULL THE BOARD.
UM, AL WHICH, WHICH PLAN DO YOU LIKE BETTER WITH AL? BECAUSE HE WAS AT THE TOP.
AL CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? TRY.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
YEAH, I HAVE LESS IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL ABOUT REZONING, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, MY GUESS.
UM, MEGAN, I LIKE THE SECOND TIME BETTER AS WELL.
UM, BOB'S, I'M STILL ON THE PHONE.
YEAH, I IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH.
SECOND PLAN, DOUG? THE REVISED PLAN.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, MAJORITY OF THE BOARD PREFERS TO REVISE PLAN, SO WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THAT THEY, IF YOU'LL MAKE THAT APPLICATION TO TOM BOARD AND WE'LL, AND THAT'LL BE THE ONE WE CONSIDER GOING FORWARD.
AND THEN WHY DON'T WE, I THINK SARAH, IF YOU AGREE, TABLE THIS TILL JANUARY 6TH.
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YEAH.WE'RE GONNA NEED 30 DAYS FOR IT TO BE SENT OUT FOR COMMENTS FROM INVOLVING.
SO LET'S, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE GLENN WETZEL TO JANUARY 6TH.
OKAY, SO BEFORE WE START THE REGULAR MEETING, UM, TWO THINGS.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, BUCKET PRO, LLC, THE REZONING OF THE CHURCH ON OLD LAKESHORE ROAD.
THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO THEY WON'T BE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.
ANYBODY THAT WE CAME HERE TO TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE, THAT'S, THAT APPLICATION.
UM, THE PROJECT'S NOT GOING FORWARD.
AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN IS ALSO GONNA BE WITHDRAWN.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OTHER, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE PLAN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND THE WORK SESSION.
SO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THE REVISED LAYOUT, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT WON'T BE CONSIDERED ANYMORE.
SO ANYBODY THAT WAS HERE FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS CAN, UH, WE WON'T BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THEM.
SO WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RUM.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TRUMP.
ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF 18,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 2 3, 3 0.
THAT'S, UH, MARK PASSON, HE'S UP THERE.
MR. PASSIN, UM, ANYTHING YOU YOU WANNA SAY BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WHERE'D HE GO? HE TURNED INTO DARYL B NO, YOU, OH, NO, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
IT'S NOT 18,000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S 1800 SQUARE FEET.
AND I DID THAT TWO WEEKS AGO, DUDE, TOO, DIDN'T I? THE COMM IS RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD DO THAT, BUT YEAH, I'M CONSISTENTLY WRONG, SO, NO, I DO.
YOU ALL GOT THE EMAIL FROM ME, UH, THAT MARK SENT ME SHOWING WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
DO YOU HAVE THE, THE NOTICE KAYLIN? YEP.
IS MY AUDIO HARNESS, GENTLEMEN? YES IT IS.
UH, NOTICE HEREBY GIVEN THE REC WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC ON A ED TO TO PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 18TH AT SEVEN PAGE.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CARTS UNLIMITED.
LET PULL UP THE FACEBOOK PAGE HERE TO SEE THINGS ARE GOING ON THAT, UM, OKAY.
SO IS ANYONE HERE IN PERSON OR ONLINE TO TALK ABOUT GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE WISHES TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED EDITION PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED? I'LL JUST GIVE A FEW MINUTES TO SEE IF ANYBODY, 'CAUSE THERE'S A DELAY FOR FACEBOOK IF ANYBODY TYPES ANY.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING,
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IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FOR GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED, WE WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY AND WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED.UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE NO COMMENTS EITHER HERE IN PERSON OR ONLINE.
UM, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS VIA EMAIL OR TELEPHONE LEADING UP TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TODD AMBER PLAYING BOARD AS REVIEWED THE GOLF CARTS ONBOARDED PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES A 1,800 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 2 3 3 OH LAKEVIEW ROAD, AND IT HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN A SECRET LAW IS A TYPE TWO ACTION, WHICH IS 6 1 7 0.5, SUB C SUB SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE GOLF CART'S UNLIMITED PROJECT FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS.
ALL I'VE GOT IS INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
CAN, CAN YOU ADD ONE MORE CONDITION MAYBE THIS IS, THIS IS DREW.
UM, THEY'RE NOT, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING ANY TREES, BUT WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
IF THEY CAN JUST PUT A DISTURBANCE LIMIT OR JUST A NOTE ON THE DRAWING.
I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, HEAR THAT THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T KNOW HE WASN'T GONNA TAKE OUT ANY TREES.
SO JUST SAY THEY SHOW NO TREE DISTURBANCE, BUT JUST MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S ON THE DRAWING OF SOME SORT.
PUT DOWN A MINIMUM DISTURBANCE OF TREES.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW AS AMENDED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A BUILDING ADDITION AT 5 8 4 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE TRY AND SEE IF HE CAN CONNECT.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
DOUG, DO YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? BECAUSE KAILIN STILL HAS A LITTLE BIT OF STATIC.
NO, SHE'S THE ONLY, NO, I SHE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT IT.
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS BETTER THAN BEFORE, BUT THEN WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING IT, I, THERE STILL WAS SOME OF IT.
HOW'S THIS ONE? SO FAR SO GOOD.
EXCEPT MY ECHO
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME PROCESS AS WE JUST DID FOR GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED.
UH, ANYBODY HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST BALLARD CAMPING CENTERS ADDITION? I'M ALSO CHECKING ONLINE,
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UM, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYONE HERE WITH ANY COMMENTS ON THE ADDITION AT THE BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST BALLARD'S CAMPING CENTER? I'M ALSO CHECKING THE COMMENT SECTION ONLINE.I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS THERE.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, LEADING UP TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AT THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND SIMILAR TO WITH GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED, WE, WE ALSO HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED.
UM, MR. RILEY, IS THERE ANY, UH, CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE SHOULD PUT ON THE RESOLUTION? NOPE.
I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY FOR THIS ONE.
UH, YOU HAD THE TWO CONTINGENT UPON ENGINEERING AND THE, AND THE WAVING OF THE SIDEWALKS.
ANY, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY CONDITIONS THEY THINK SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE, UH, THE RESOLUTION FOR THIS, UH, ADDITION? NOPE.
YOU FIRST, YOU GOT THIS COPY OF THE, THE NEW COPY? YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
READY? IN ACCORDANCE TO THE NEW YORK STATE SE WALL, THE TOWN OF HAMMERED PLAYING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BALANCE CAMPING CENTER, WHICH INVOLVES A 3,250 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 5 8 4 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION NUMBER 6 1 7 0.5 SUB C SUB SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE A COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE BOWERS CAMPING CENTER PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED 11 16 20 AND NUMBER TWO OF THE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW SECOND, BY SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
AS A, AS A WAVE COUNT AS A SECOND.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TYLER SCHMIT REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
OKAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING NEW SINCE THE LAST MEETING THAT I'VE RECEIVED.
HAVE ANY CHANGES SINCE THE LAST MEETING? JUST I PLAN? NO.
WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT OKAY.
YOU GUYS HAD ASKED FOR, FOR LAST TIME.
YEAH, SO GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, KYLE SCHMITZ.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
THE PROJECT ITSELF CONSISTS OF A CAR WASH TWO BAYS.
UNLIKE A TUNNEL CAR WASH LOCATED AT PROPERTY AT 58 0 9 CAMP ROAD, IT'S APPROXIMATELY EIGHT TENTHS OF AN ACRE IN SIZE.
IT IS PROPERLY ZONE C TWO, HOWEVER, IT DOES REQUIRE A STRUCTURE USE PERMIT AS WELL AS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 2,244 SQUARE FEET.
THERE WAS A CO SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU ASKED FOR PREVIOUSLY.
NUMBER ONE, YOU ASKED FOR EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR PROJECTS, PRIMARILY NON TUNNEL BAY, MORE LIKE CAR WASHES.
SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THOSE THAT ANYONE WANTS TO GO LOOK AT.
UM, THEY INCLUDE LET'S MARKET AND CAR WASH AT 50 73 CAMP ROAD.
LU'S IS CAR WASH AT 59 0 6 SOUTH PARK AVENUE AS WELL AS HOG WASH CAR WASH AT 57 83 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
AND I DID EMAIL THOSE LOCATIONS TO SARAH THIS AFTERNOON.
IN ADDITION, WE DID PREVIOUSLY PROVIDE YOU WITH A TRIP GENERATION LETTER PREPARED BY STEVEN ANTE, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM SR ASSOCIATES.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS DATED NOVEMBER 3RD.
HE LOOKED AT WHAT TYPES OF TRIPS WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT AND BASICALLY DURING THE WEEKDAY PMT, KEEP IN MIND, NOT MANY PEOPLE GO TO THE CAR WASH DURING THE WEEKDAY AM PEAK.
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WE GENERATE SIX VEHICLES ENTERING AND FIVE VEHICLES EXITING.AND THEN NOT SURPRISINGLY, GIVEN THE NATURE OF CAR WASHES ON A SATURDAY PEAK WOULD BE 15 ENTERING AND 16 EXITING.
THIS, UNLIKE A TALL CAR WASH, DOES THAT REALLY LEND ITSELF TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARRIVING AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME? BECAUSE THE PROCESSING TIME IS SLOWER.
UM, IT TAKES SEVERAL MINUTES TO GO THROUGH.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE THE 10TH CAR WAITING, ARE YOU REALLY GONNA WAIT A HALF HOUR OR MORE TO GET CAR WASH? MOST LIKELY NOT.
DESPITE THAT, WE DO HAVE AN ADEQUATE ONSITE STACKING CHRIS, I DUNNO HOW MANY STACKING SPACE WE HAVE, BUT WE CLEARLY HAVE ADEQUATE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ASKED FOR BY THE BOARD LAST TIME WAS WERE WE ABLE TO TRACK TRACK DOWN ANY EXISTING TRACK ACCOUNTS ON CAMP ROAD? SO DAVID CRUZ FROM SR ASSOCIATES DID GET BACK TO ME TODAY.
THE MOST ACCURATE AND RECENT COUNT DATE THAT HE COULD OBTAIN WAS FROM 2018, WAS LOCATED A HUNDRED FEET NORTH OF PROSPECT.
THAT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE 2,600 FEET SOUTH OF THE SITE.
THE AVERAGE DAILY VOLUME AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH OF COURSE IS CLOSER TO THE VILLAGE, IS 14,795 VEHICLES.
THE PM AM NORTHBOUND IS 851 VEHICLES BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 8:00 AM.
THE P 8:00 PM AM NORTHBOUND IS 538 VEHICLES BETWEEN THREE AND 4:00 PM AND THEN GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION SOUTHBOUND THE PEAK HOUR DURING THE AM IS EIGHT TO NINE AND THAT'S THREE 13 VEHICLES.
AND THEN THE PEAK HOUR FOR VEHICLES HEADING SOUTH PM IS 834 VEHICLES.
AND THAT'S BETWEEN FIVE AND 6:00 PM SO THERE'S NO DENYING THERE IS TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY ON CAMP ROAD, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRIP GENERATION FOR OUR PROJECTS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE VERY MINIMAL AND DEBATABLE WHETHER IT'LL EVEN BE DISCERNIBLE THAT IMMEDIATE SECTION OF CAMP ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE'S CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN EXHIBIT THREE OF THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
WE DID EXPLAIN THAT IN GREAT DETAIL.
I DO WANNA KNOW SEVERAL THINGS.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.
SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 23 OF THE CODE THAT ONLY APPLY TO A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH.
AND I'M GONNA READ THOSE REAL QUICK.
A, THESE FACILITIES SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR WITHIN 500 FEET OF ANOTHER SUCH FACILITY.
UM, CHRIS DID HAND OUT A PLAN THAT SHOWS THE CLOSEST HOME IN THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT BEHIND US IS 205 FEET AWAY TO THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE FRONT DOOR IS CLOSER TO 250 FEET.
WE'RE ALSO NOW WITHIN 500 FEET OF ANOTHER EXISTING CAR WASH.
SECOND CRITERIA DEALS WITH ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND COMPATIBILITY.
WE DID PREVIOUSLY PRESENT WITH A COLOR ELEVATION PLAN PREPARED BY DAVE SUTTON AND ARCHITECTURE FROM SUTTON ARCHITECTURE.
UH, THAT PLAN ALSO WAS PROVIDED TO THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG BY SARAH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THEIR REVIEW.
SO I THINK WE MEET THAT CRITERIA.
AND THEN THE FINAL CRITERIA IS THAT VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD SHALL BE MINIMIZED THROUGH PROPER SITING SETBACKS, EXISTING TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURES, FIRMING AND LANDSCAPING FEATURES.
SO THE LAYOUT WE'VE DESIGNED DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY AREA VARIANCES FOR SETBACKS FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
ON THE BACK PORTION OF THE SITE, WE DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT FENCE BEDS WITH EVERGREEN TREES AND CHRIS IS GONNA TURN IT, WHICH WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE BUFFERING FOR THE SITE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ADJACENT.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PETITION SUBMITTED, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE FRANKLIN PARKS ASSOCIATION WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
WE DID DISCUSS THOSE DURING THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
GIVEN THIS AS A PUBLIC HEARING, I WANNA WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM VERY QUICKLY.
THE FIRST ONE DEALT WITH WHAT IS THE SIZE, LOCATION, AND APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE 2,244 SQUARE FEET.
WE'LL HAVE AN UPSCALE APPEARANCE AND WE ARE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING ON SITE.
CRITERIA NUMBER TWO IS WHAT'S THE, UH, SETBACK OR DISTANCE FROM THE CLOSEST STRUCTURE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT'S 172 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE IS WE'RE AT 205 FEET.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WE PRESENTED TO YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO DID NOT COMPLY WITH THAT 200 FEET.
SO WE DID MOVE THE BUILDING AND MADE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER TO BRING UP THE COMPLIANCE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF CARS ENTERING THE CAR WASH.
WE'RE SHOWING IT ON THE PLAN, PRIMARILY WILL
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BE CAMP ROAD.WE ARE ALSO SHOWING ACCESS ONTO FRANKLIN STREET.
THE PORTION OF IT THAT'S A PUBLIC ROAD CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR OR QUESTION NUMBER FOUR, OPERATION START TIME AND CLOSE TIME YET TO BE DETERMINED.
UM, WE'LL FIGURE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT OBVIOUSLY AS THE TOWN'S AWARE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE HOURS OF OPERATION IF IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS.
THERE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE A LOT OF USE DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDED.
NOISE OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT WITH RESPECT TO NOISE.
UNLIKE MANY EXISTING COMMERCIAL CAR WASHES IN WESTERN NEW YORK IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE VACUUM ENGINES WILL BE INDOORS.
THEY WILL NOT BE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE SITTING NEXT TO THEM THAT DO GENERATE DOORS.
THEY GENERATE NOISE, THEY'LL BE ENTIRELY INDOORS.
SO THE VACUUMS THEMSELVES WILL NOT BE GENERATED A LOT OF NOISE, ESPECIALLY ANY NOISE THAT WOULD BE DISCERNIBLE AFTER THE PROPERTY NOISE.
ANY OF THOSE CAR WASHES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, DO THEY HAVE THOSE INDOOR VACUUMS? NO.
IT'S MORE LIKE ROYAL WATCHES FOR THEIRS.
ROYAL WASH, YOU SEE THE GAN THING? SEE WE WE'RE ALL
YOU'RE SEEING THAT MORE AND MORE NOW ON THE NEW ONES, BUT HISTORICALLY IT DIDN'T HAVE.
AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE IT, YOU'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE.
THE DIFFERENCE IN NOISE IS, IS VERY OBVIOUS.
UH, THE QUESTION NUMBER SIX WAS THE SAFETY FEATURES OF THE OPERATION.
UM, ALL THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE THE MOST MODERN TECHNOLOGICALLY SOUND EQUIPMENT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT COMES WITH AN AUTOMATIC STOP FEATURE.
MEANING IF VEHICLES ARE STACKING UP 'CAUSE THE INTEGRATED TURN ON CAMP AND THEY FOR SOME REASON CHOSEN NOT TO GO BACK, IT EXIT ONTO FRANKLIN, THEY GET ONTO CAMP, THE SYSTEM SHUTS DOWN ON MEDICAL TO PREVENT THERE FROM BEING ISSUES FOR VEHICLES AS THEY EXIT THE TWO BAYS.
UH, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS WITH RESPECT TO FUMES.
AS I INDICATED THIS IS NOT HIGH VOLUME COMPARED TO YOUR TYPICAL CAR WASH.
WILL FUMES BE GENERATED BY VEHICLES WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR STACKING? YES.
UH, IT CLEARLY WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE VEHICLES THAT ARE TRAVELING UP AND DOWN CAMP ROAD.
THERE'S NOTHING IN PARTICULAR OF THIS USE THAT WILL GENERATE A LOT OF EMISSIONS.
ASKED ABOUT POSTAL SERVICE DELIVERY, UH, THAT WILL BE AND UH, THE BUILDING.
AND THERE'LL BE A DESIGNATED AREA FOR DROP OFF.
THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT APPARENTLY AUTOZONE HAS TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT QUEUE HERE AND UNLOAD.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THEIR SITE PLAN AND LOOK AT THEIR SITE, THEY DO HAVE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE TRACTOR TRAILER DELIVERY.
WE CAN'T SPEAK AS TO WHY THAT'S OCCURRING, TO THE EXTENT THAT'S AN ISSUE.
IT'S REALLY AN ENFORCEMENT CONCERN AND NOTHING WE CONTROL, BUT THEY DO HAVE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ON SITE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT WILL BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THE USERS OR CUSTOMERS OF THIS CAR WASH DO NOT TRAVEL BACK ON FRANKLIN INTO THAT AREA? IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A PRIVATE STREET WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
UH, CHRIS DID PROVIDE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS IT'S DEAD END.
AND THEN SECONDLY, AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM A COMMON SENSE PERSPECTIVE, THERE'D BE REALLY NO REASON FOR SOMEONE TO EXIT THE CAR WASH AND TRAVEL THAT DIRECTION UNLESS IT'S A RESIDENT OR A GUEST OF ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT'S ACTUALLY USED THE CAR WASH.
SO I THINK WE HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS.
THE POINT OF PROCEEDINGS MEETING IS A PUBLIC HEARING SUCH EXTENT.
THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, UH, WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION.
SO I THINK THIS IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA SPECIFIED IN THE CODE.
OBVIOUSLY, PRIOR TO APPROVING THE SITE PLAN, YOU WILL NEED TECHNICAL REVIEW AND ENSURE THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE ARE ADEQUATE, WHICH WE BELIEVE THEY ARE.
AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE POINT THAT IN TERMS OF THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, UH, THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
AND AS SUCH AS EXEMPT FROM SEEKER, WE DID SUBMIT A COMPLETED SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM WITH THE APPLICATION.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT, YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE A DECISION, UH, WE WOULD REQUEST YOU, UM, SPECIFICALLY DETERMINE THIS TO BE A TYPE TWO ACTION.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, EITHER MYSELF, UH, CHRIS WOOD OR KYLE OR SCHMITZ, WHO'S ALSO ATTENDING REMOTELY, WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT.
SO WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC FLOW, IF, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD NECESSARILY REALIZE THAT THERE WAS STACKING OCCURRING ON SITE UNTIL THEY HAD ALREADY TURNED DOWN FRANKLIN STREET.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME USING THE CAR WASH AND THEN REALIZED THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE CAR STACKED, THEY WOULD BE ON FRANKLIN STREET.
IS THERE A WAY FOR THEM TO TURN AROUND TO CUT THROUGH THE, THE FACILITY, OR ARE THEY LIKELY TO EITHER BE TRYING TO DO A, A, A TURN IN THE STREET OR
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TO TRY AND GO DOWN AND USE THAT CUL-DE-SAC ONE, ENTER THE SITE? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH BASICALLY.UNLESS, UNLESS THEY, THEY, THEY PULL UP NEXT TO THE DUMPSTER AND MAKE A THREE POINT TURN AND EXIT BACK OUT.
THERE ALSO IS APPARENTLY, UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT PLAN THAT CHRIS HANDED OUT TODAY THAT ACTUALLY HAS AN ARROW BACKGROUND.
THERE ACTUALLY IS A TURNAROUND DIRECTLY AFTER THE CAR WASH ON THE STREET TODAY FOR SNOW PLOW.
IT'S FOR SNOWPLOWS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE A PUBLIC ROAD BECOMES A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT THAT COULD BE USED BY A VEHICLE.
AT THE VERY END OF THERE'S A THERE, RIGHT? THAT WHITE CAR THAT'S TURNAROUND.
I THINK TURNAROUND, NO, THERE MUST BE AN EASEMENT BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY FOR PLOW.
TURN AND SAW SOMEBODY COME BACK.
WE HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC MR. NEY.
ONE OF MY CONCERN WAS, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT AS YOU WERE SAYING WITH THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THE DELIVERIES, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN THE, WHEN THE CAR WASH IS BUILT, BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, THEY'VE TURNING AROUND IN THE OPEN LOT AND THEN DRIVING BACK OUT ON CAP WHEN THE DROP OFF FOR AUTO ZONE, THE PANEL TRUCKS, THE DELIVERY FOR THAT DOLLAR, UM, GENERAL NEXT DOOR, THEY'VE BEEN PARKING IN THAT OPEN SPOT UNLOADING THEIR STUFF, AND THEN JUST DRIVING OUT WHEN THE CAR WAS, IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE'S GONNA BE IF A TRACTOR TRAILER GOES DOWN THAT
SO I MEAN, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT PERMITTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT NOW WHEN THE, WHEN THAT'S BILL I, I'M LOOKING AT THE OPTION ON DOLLAR GENERAL LEFT, THERE'S A PLACE THEY CAN PARK ON THAT SIDE FROM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, UH, CUT TRAILER, BUT I DID FOR THEM FOR THE AUTO ZONE, AND THEY JUST TURNED AROUND AND THEY CAME BACK OUT.
I, I DON'T KNOW, GOING FORWARD AFTER THAT HAPPENS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA TURN.
OH, ARE THEY NOT GONNA PARK OBVIOUSLY ON
THEY DO HAVE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE TRACTORS, DELIVERIES ON SITE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
I JUST, WHAT WAS MY CONCERN? I HAPPENED TO NOTICE IT GOING BY THERE A FEW TIMES AND IT, IT, I I DON'T KNOW WHY I, I STOOD THERE OR I PULLED OVER TO WATCH IT.
THEY TURNED AROUND IN THE OPEN LOBBY AND DROVE OUT, WHICH IS WAS GREAT.
NOW, BUT WHEN HAD CAR WASS THERE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THEY PARK RIGHT AGAIN, IT'S UP TO
YEAH, BILL, I HAVE A, ALL THE EMAILS I GOT, I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE SAYING THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED FOR THIS MEETING, UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT PREPARED TO GO FORWARD WITH ANYTHING UNTIL I SEE THAT HOPEFULLY FROM RIGHT, RIGHT.
WE ONLY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.
SO, SO DENNIS, TODAY THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED, UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SITUATION WHERE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY.
IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE ONES WHERE WE LEAVE OPEN UNTIL THE SECOND.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THIS ONE TODAY ANYWAY.
WHEN DID YOU SEND IT? SARAH KNOW I STILL, WE, THE LAST WEEK I STILL RIGHT SARAH SAYING THAT SHE SENT IT.
SO I'M LOOKING THROUGH, THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATOR.
IT WAS LIKE ONE OR TWO LINES LONG ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
I THINK, UH, SARAH, THAT'S THE EMAIL QUESTION, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE COMMENT I GOT FROM VILLAGE.
AND I MET WITH HIM, BUT THAT RIGHT.
DENNIS, I'LL TRY AND FIND IT FORWARDED OVER TO YOU.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY MINIMAL.
I, IT, UM, IT CAME FROM JASON ZA ON NOVEMBER 5TH.
SARAH FORWARDED IT ON THE FIFTH AT NINE 3:00 AM YES.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS.
UM, SO JUST A QUESTION AROUND,
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UM, SOME OF THE NEW, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE ONE, BUT SOME OF THE NEW CAR WASHES ARE LIT, LIKE UNBELIEVABLE.ONE AT THE TOP OF MAIN STREET AND YOUNG, YOU CAN SEE FROM A HALF MILE AWAY THEY GOT LIGHTS GALORE AND COLORED LIGHTS.
THIS IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANY INTERIOR LIGHTS IN THE BUILDING, LIGHTING IT UP WITH COLORS, RIGHT? NO MEANING THAT PARTICULAR THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE, THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING THAT KIND OF AMBER SPECIFICALLY WANTED THE GLASS TO DIVISIBLE.
THAT, THAT ONE AT THE TOP OF BA AND YOUNGS IS AWFUL.
IT'S, IT, IT'S MULTICOLORED AND YOU CAN SEE FOREVER.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING CURB CUT ON THAT D DT IS NOT GONNA TAKE THAT CURB CUT AWAY FROM YOU BECAUSE NOW THEIR POLICY IS THAT IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A SIDE STREET, YOU MUST USE THE ACCESS TO THE SIDE STREET AND NOT HAVE A CURB CUT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
I ASSUME WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
DT IS NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY THAT ACCESS FROM YOU.
WE HAVE SPOKEN ALREADY TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THEY CONFIRMED THEY WILL NOT BE ELIMINATING THE EXISTING CURB CUT THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, WE'VE RUN INTO THAT IN MANY TOWNS AND, AND IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT THAT THEY DON'T WANT ACCESSES ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY WHEN THERE'S ACCESS TO A SIDE STREET.
SO, UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT'S THE CASE TOO WHEN WE DO, UM, THAT THAT THAT THEY GROWING F BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING CURB CUT MATCHING THAT EXISTING CURB CUT.
AND WE HAVE, WE MADE SURE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE AWARE OF THAT POLICY AS WELL, WE REACHED OUT TO CONFIRM ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS? DO WE HAVE THE LONG BEST WAIT, WAIT 10 MINUTES FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN OUTTA THE, UH, CAR WASH, LEFT HAND TURN ON THE CAMP? YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, REMEMBER WE DID WHAT WE'RE ASKED FOR.
WE DID A TRIP GENERATION LETTER, SO WE DON'T HAVE A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICES PROJECT IS WAY, WAY TOO SMALL TO JUSTIFY THAT.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, THERE SHOULD BE GAPS.
WILL THERE BE TIME POINTS DIFFICULT TO TAKE A LEFT THERE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMMON ON KIM.
WE DID, WE DID PROVIDE A SEPARATE RIGHT HAND TURN, RIGHT HAND LEFT TURN LANE EXITING FOR, FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE LONGER DELAY MAKING A LEFT THAN IT'S YEAH, I JUST, I SAT AT
SO I WAS JUST ADD MORE DATA OTHER THAN MY ANECDOTAL NOTES OF JUST TRYING IT ON MY OWN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING IS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY AND IN CONNECTION WITH THE CAR WASH PROJECT, THE GOOD THING IS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE.
YOU'RE GENERALLY NOT SCHEDULING A SPECIFIC TRIP TO THERE.
IF YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU THINK IT'S TOO BUSIER, THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, USUALLY YOU LIVE RELATIVELY CLOSE BY AND YOU'LL JUST STOP BACK AT ANOTHER MORE CONVENIENT TIME.
HOW LONG ARE THE CARS IN THE BAY BEING LOCKED? I DON'T KNOW.
TYLER, IS TYLER ON THEIRS? TYLER, WHAT'S A TYPICAL CYCLE TIME BALLPARK FOR A VEHICLE ONCE THEY'RE IN THE BAY? UM, ABOUT, UH, FOUR TO SIX MINUTES.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY IF YOU WERE THE 10TH PART LINE, YOU'RE SIGNED UP FOR A LONG WAIT.
WELL, THE REASON I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT IS IF YOU'RE, IF SOMEBODY'S WAITING ON CAMP AND THEY WAIT, THEY, THEY'D HAVE TO BE WAITING FOR FOUR TO SIX MINUTES RIGHT BEFORE THE NEXT ONE COMES BEHIND YOU AND IT ACTS HAVE TO BE THE THIRD CAR.
YOU HAVE ROOM FOR AT LEAST TWO.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LITERALLY IF THAT CAR IS TRYING TO MAKE THE LEFT OR RIGHT.
HAS TO WAIT FOR ALMOST 10 MINUTES, EIGHT TO 10 MINUTES AND THEN THE SYSTEM SHUTS DOWN AUTOMATICALLY.
AND ELSE WILL BE ABLE, JOHN, IS THERE A TURN LANE THERE TO TURN INTO THE CAR WASH OR IS IT WHERE IT'S DOWN TO ONE LANE DIRECTION? I BELIEVE IT'S TWO LANE DIRECTION.
FRANKLIN IS RIGHT WHERE IT GOES TO ONE LANE.
ONE LANE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AERIAL.
THE AERIAL, IT SHOWS TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION AND NO CENTER TURN LANE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE SIDE WHERE THE RIGHT LANE ENDS IS LIKE RIGHT IN FRONT OF FRANKLIN THERE TOWARDS THE VILLAGE.
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YES.THE THE SIGN IS THE, THE ACTUAL REDUCTION IS FURTHER DOWN, BUT THE SIGN IS THERE.
THEY DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO TRUE LANE IS NO CENTER TURN, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, YOU ARE, IT IS DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT ON THE CAMP ROAD AT
UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT YET.
THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SEAN, IF YOU CAN HAVE JUST YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT JUST COMMENT ON ON, IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, BUT THEY KNOW BY VOLUME THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC COUNTS THAT THEY GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT, USUALLY THEY'LL GO OUT AND FIGURE OUT THE, THE BRAKES OR WHATEVER.
BUT AN IDEA OF DELAY TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT ON THERE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.
IT'S JUST THE LUMP, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, 8,000 CARS A DAY IN EACH DIRECTION.
YOU HEARD THE PEAK HOURS ARE, ARE QUITE HIGH.
IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO WITHOUT IT BEING IN THE CONTEXT.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO WITHOUT COUNTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THE TWO THINGS THAT HELP THE MOST IS THE LIGHT RIGHT UP THE STREET ON CAMP AND LESION.
SO THAT SLOWS THE TRAFFIC DOWN, WHICH I
WAS THAT JUST THE COUNT OR WAS THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? BECAUSE THE GB C ONLY HAD 2015 COUNTS DOWN DOWN THERE.
THAT'S A 2000, IT'S 1,018 COUNT.
WAS IT A TRAFFIC STUDY OR COUNT? IT'S A COUNT, YES.
SO I DO WANNA MAKE THIS THE POINT THAT TYLER WAS MAKING IS, IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE THERE'S A NEARBY SIGNAL INTERSECTION TYPICALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNAL INTERSECTION THAT DOES CREATE GAPS WHERE YOU CAN PULL OUT.
DO WE KNOW THE LEVEL TRAFFIC STUDY WE'VE DONE ON THAT STRIP OF ROADWAY? NO.
I MEAN, I CAN ASK BUT PROBABLY NOT ANY KIND IN, UH, THE PAST FEW YEARS.
NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF A EARLIER PROJECT.
YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUDIES COMING UP BY THE, UH, THROUGHWAY OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGES THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF PROJECT IN THE VILLAGE OR SOMEBODY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT EVEN IF IT WAS 2015, 2016 OR 2017.
I THINK THOSE ARE WHAT WE'VE SEEN BY GB GC IS THE TRAFFIC COUNTS HAVE PRETTY MUCH STAYED FAIRLY CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
THEY, THEY'VE GONE UP AND DOWN SOME YEARS THEY'VE RUN, SOME YEARS THEY'VE GONE UP.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S AN AESTHETIC GROWTH.
I GUESS GUESS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHILE ALL THOSE ARE INTERESTING QUESTIONS, IT REALLY COMES BACK TO THIS HOW LITTLE TRAFFIC WE'RE GENERATING.
KEEP IN MIND AGAIN, WEEKDAY PM PEAK SIX ENTERING.
SO I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT SIX HOMES, SIX APARTMENTS, AND THEN FIVE EXIT.
SO IT REALLY IS A LOW INTENSITY TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
IT'S HARD TO ENVISION ANY OTHER USE THAT COULD GO THERE THAT'S COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
CAITLIN, DO YOU WANNA READ THE NOTICE? NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY TYLER SCHMITZ TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 58 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN VIA HAMPER TOWN HALL AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UH, THE TAYLOR SCHMITZ CAR WASH.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, ONLINE, UH, CAROL GILLETTE PUT POSTED A COMMENT, A TERRIBLE LOCATION FOR A CAR WASH WILL BE A TRAFFIC SAFETY NIGHTMARE.
AND SHE ALSO POSTED STACKING ONTO CAMP ROAD WILL ALSO BE A PROBLEM.
UM, SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I'LL TRY AND, AND KIND OF STAY IN ORDER OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE SITTING.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
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UH, MY NAME IS BRIAN.I LIVE IN AT 4,000 FRANKLIN STREET.
YOU HEAR PEOPLE COME FORWARD IN THE MIDDLE.
OH, TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, SO, SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU TOO.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNAL BREAKING THE TRACK.
FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR COMMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN SAY YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'D BE ANSWERED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M SURE MR. HOPKINS WILL WRITE THEM DOWN AND GET AN ANSWER TO YOU.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S FOR COMMENTS, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION.
MY QUESTION IS, TRAFFIC IS STOPPED BY THE LIGHT AT THE LEGION DRIVE.
IT'S FREES UP LEFT HAND TURN EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE TURNING LEFT FROM LEGION ON THE CAMP ROAD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXTENDED TRAFFIC ALSO.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS IF SOMEONE TURNS DOWN TO FRANKLIN STREET, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT TURNS DOWN TO FRANKLIN STREET AND, AND SAID, WELL, I'LL HAVE TO WAIT A HALF AN HOUR FOR TRAFFIC.
I DON'T PUT CAR WASH TO CLEAR.
I I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA DO MY CAR WASH.
HOW OBVIOUSLY GET BACK ON FRANKLIN STREET WHERE I'M DRIVING ON THE PRIVATE ROAD.
SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS I HAVE I THING RIGHT.
I I MEAN, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH.
UM, THE SECOND ONE, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THEY WOULD USE THAT SNOWPLOW TURNAROUND.
UM, BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY'LL GIVE YOU A MORE DETAILED ANSWER TO BOTH THOSE QUESTIONS.
NOW, I I DON'T THINK I KNOW THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND IF IT'S 24 HOURS WOULD A LUNCH ON CONTINUOUSLY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE IS THAT THE LIGHTS BE WHAT IS CALLED DARK SKY COMPLIANT SO THEY DON'T DISTURB THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S FOR, FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND AGAIN, MR. HOPKINS WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION MORE THOROUGHLY THAN I CAN.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM WHAT THEIR HOURS ARE, AND THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE.
SO, BUT MR. HOPKINS, I'M SURE WE'LL GIVE YOU A DE A MORE DETAILED ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I WANTED TALK ABOUT.
UM, SO LET, LET'S, UH, RAISE HANDS WITH A COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT SO I COULD TRY AND KEEP IT IN, IN AN ORDER.
WHAT WAS THAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
OH, CAN, IF YOU WANT SPEAK, YOU WANNA SPEAK.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE.
SO I CAN SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WANNA RAISE YOUR HAND SO I CAN SEE MANY PEOPLE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND JOHN, UNIT NUMBER EIGHT ON, UH, FRANKLIN STREET.
HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? L-A-T-T-U-C-A.
MY CONCERN IS THIS, UH, AT ONE TIME IN THE PAST, THAT CORNER WAS AN AUTO DEALERSHIP, AS THAT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT THERE ARE NO UNDERGROUND GASOLINE TANKS EXISTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
I, I'M SURE THE THING IS TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MACHINERY BEING INSIDE THE BUILDING FOR YOUR VACUUMS. HOW ABOUT THE, UH, BLOWERS FOR THE EXIT? OKAY, SO, SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS, IS THE APPLICANT'S GONNA TAKE DOWN YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN THEY'LL PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO THEM.
NEXT NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE RECORD, PLEASE.
AND I, MY QUESTION IS THAT THE SNOW REMOVAL, WE HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON OUR PROPERTY FOR OUR SNOW REMOVAL, WHICH WE PAY FOR.
AND, UM, PEOPLE COME DOWN THAT ROAD.
IF THEY'RE PARKED THERE, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES INTO AUTO ZONE, BOTH ON FRANKLIN, THE BACK ENTRANCE, WHICH IS WHERE THEIR DELIVERIES COME, THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS TO THE STORE.
THERE'S NOT MANY SPACES BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTRANCES BEFORE YOU GET TO THE MAILBOXES.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT ALL THAT SNOW? I MEAN, THEY CAN'T COME ON DOWN.
YOU KNOW, AND THEY PUT OURS IN OUR LOTS.
YOU KNOW, THEY DUMP IT INTO THE CENTER IN THE, UM, GAZEBO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, YOU KNOW, TO PUSH IT.
THE OTHER CONCERN IS, IS THAT THE PEOPLE COMING DOWN EXITING, IF THEY'RE PARKED THERE WAITING AND THEY DECIDE NOW THIRD, THE THIRD PART DECIDES I'M NOT WAITING ANY LONGER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN ON, UM, WHAT? YEAH, THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN TO MAKE IT TO GO BACK OUT.
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NOT GONNA DO THAT.THEY'RE GONNA PLOW DOWN THAT STREET BECAUSE IT'S EASY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S POSTED, GO AROUND THE GAZEBO AND GO BACK OUT.
EVEN PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, COME INTO THE OTHER BUSINESSES UP THERE, DO IT OCCASIONALLY, AND IT IS POSTED.
YOU'D HAVE TO SIT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE AND TELL SOMEBODY, YOU CAN'T GO DOWN THERE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
HOW DO WE STOP? UM, ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ARE ALWAYS TRICKY.
I I'M SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HEARD YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SNOW REMOVAL AND WILL SHOW US ON THE MAP WHERE THE SNOW WILL GO WHEN THEY HAVE THE AREA PLOWED OR HOW THEY PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE TURNAROUND, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS MAYBE WE, WE ASK, UH, THE TOWN TO WHERE THERE'S THE DEAD END SIGN TO ALSO PUT A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS NO TURNAROUND TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TURNING AROUND.
UM, AND WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR THEM TO DO THAT AND, AND MAYBE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PUT UP A SIGN LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS ENFORCING IT IS, THOSE THINGS ARE ALWAYS TRICKY.
A AS YOU SAID, THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY PREVENT PEOPLE FROM DOING IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THERE ALL THE TIME, WHICH JUST ISN'T PRACTICAL.
LET ME POINT OUT ONE THING THAT I FORGOT.
IF SOMEBODY DOES PULL IN AND THEY GO AROUND, THEY DECIDE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET A CAR WASH, THERE IS AN ESCAPE LANE HERE, THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND GO BACK OUT.
SO THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME IN AND DO SOME CRAZY TURNAROUND RIGHT.
SO MAKE MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHOW THE RESIDENT THAT I, I I DID SEE THAT.
UM, WHEN THEY DO GET HERE, THEY CAN COME THROUGH.
SO THAT'S ALL THE PEOPLE THAT RAISED THEIR HANDS THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ON THE CAR WASH PROJECT? OKAY, NO ONE ELSE HERE.
UM, ONLINE, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UH, KIMBERLY CORDA SAYS, I WOULD LOVE A CAR WASH THERE.
AND VICKI RENEE SAYS, THE SOUTH TOWNS NEED THIS VERY CONVENIENT.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE, UH, TAYLOR SCHMIDT'S CAR WASH? OKAY.
FOR THE THIRD TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON TAYLOR SCHMIDT FARWELL? I'M GONNA HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER 2ND.
SO IF ANY RESIDENTS OR ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS, YOU CAN EMAIL THEM TO US.
UM, EMAILS A BIT MORE EFFICIENT AND THOSE COMMENTS WILL BECOME PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ANYBODY THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY, ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING ONLINE THAT DIDN'T MAKE A COMMENT, WE WILL STILL BE TAKING COMMENTS FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
OKAY? IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK OF TODAY, YOU CAN STILL SEND US A COMMENT.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE ACCESS WHILE THINGS ARE CLOSED, SO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT STILL GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE COMMENTS THAT THEY WANNA MAKE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE TAYLOR SCHMITZ CAR WASH TO DECEMBER 2ND.
SO LI LIKE I SAID, IF ANYBODY ELSE, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, GET THEM TO US.
IF YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE COMMENTS, THEY, THEY DIDN'T MISS IT, THEY CAN STILL SEND US COMMENTS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MIKE SCHULTZ REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
NOW THIS ONE WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND IF, IF MY NOTES ARE RIGHT, WE DID A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE LEFT IT OPEN.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MIKE S UM, DO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
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ON MIKE? S WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR THIS ONE.NO OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, ANY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS ON THE RESOLUTION.
DOES ANYBODY THINK OF ANY CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT ON THIS RESOLUTION? MR. RILEY? I GOT ON MUTE.
UM, TYPICALLY YOU WANT SOME SORT OF CONDITIONS ON THE SPECIALTY DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE SIMPLE CONDITIONS FOR THIS, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UH, STORAGE OF VEHICLES IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE AREA, SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.
HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE FENCE IN AREA.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION, BUT STANDARD ONE IS THAT FOR TOWING SERVICE, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE FENCED IN AREA, THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE TO STORE VEHICLES, NO OTHER PLACES ON THE LOT SUPPOSED TO STORE VEHICLE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE CONDITION.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHERS, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS, THINKS OF ANY OTHERS WITH THAT ONE AS A STANDARD ONE FOR THIS TYPE OF OPERATION.
I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THE SAME THING, DREW.
I THINK AS LONG AS WE CAN CONFINE THE STORAGE OF VEHICLES, SO WITHIN THAT FENCE AREA, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
I THINK HE IS REQUIRED UNDER HIS TOWING LICENSE TO HAVE HIM IN A FENCED IN AREA, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE IT AS A CONDITION THAT WE CAN'T HAVE COVER STACK ON THE LOT.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM MIKE SCHULTZ TO OPERATE A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020, THE HAMBURG PLANE BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE TO THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER AS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT ANTICIPATE THE RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT A MADE OF DECLARATION IS HERE BY ISSUE.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMMERED RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM MIKE SCHULTZ TO OPERATE A TOWING AND IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020, THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEREAS THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 12 AND TWO 80 DASH 3 25 BOEING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREAS THAT, NUMBER ONE, THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 12 2.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HEALTH HAZARD OR HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE FOR THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMMOND PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, AND THEREFORE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT SHALL MAKE PERIODIC INSPECTIONS OF FACILITY TO ENSURE THE PROPER STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE OF ALL STRUCTURES AND ADEQUATE CLEANUP, LITTER, CLEAN UP OF LITTER.
AND DO I PUT TWO FOR THE IN TWO FOR, UH, INSIDE STORAGE ONLY INSIDE THE FENCED AREA OR INSIDE? INSIDE FENCE AREA ONLY? YEAH.
STORAGE IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE FENCED AREA, SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.
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SO MOTION BY MR. SHAW.UM, I'LL SAY AMENDED BY MR. CLARK.
SECOND BY, WHAT WAS THAT KAYLA? MR. MCCORMICK? MR. MCCORMICK? UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO GUESS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MAKING THE MISTAKE TOO OFTEN.
YOU'VE GOTTEN 'EM ALL RIGHT TODAY.
I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED ON PRIME.
WELL, UM, I THINK, I THINK ONLY CAITLIN'S BEEN MAKING SECONDS, SO MAKES IT EASIER ON ME.
ANOTHER ONE TOO, MOVE TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS.
BUT THEY NEED, THEY NEED APPROVAL OF THE SU SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND, AND THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
ISN'T THAT WHAT? SO WE DID THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
NOW YOU JUST NEED TO PROVE THE SITE PLAN.
SO WE, WE JUST, SO WE DID THE SEEKER, WE DID THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND WE STILL NEED TO DO THE SITE PLAN.
THERE WON'T BE ANY CONDITIONS.
DOES THE, THERE'S NOTHING TO READ FOR THAT ONE THOUGH.
CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
OKAY, SO, SO MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL BASED ON THE DRAWINGS PROVIDED.
OKAY, SO MIKE SCHULTZ, YOU ARE ALL SET.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUCKET PRO LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF 5 3 8 1 OLD LAKE SHORE ROAD.
UM, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
THEY AREN'T GOING TO, THEY DON'T PLAN TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT REZONING.
UH, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE BROADWAY GROUP, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
I GUESS TO CATCH EVERYONE UP ON THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE, UH, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS PROJECT? SIR? ARE YOU HERE FOR THE BROADWAY GROUP PROJECT? YES, I AM HERE.
SO, UM, WE WERE WORKING ON THAT LETTER AND WE HAD THE DRAFT THAT WE APPROVED THAT WE WERE GONNA SEND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, SENT IT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.
AND THEY, THEY DISAGREED WITH OUR ASSESSMENT AND THEY GAVE A VERY DETAILED, UH, REASONING AS TO WHY THEY DISAGREED WITH OUR ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC GOING ONTO SOUTHWESTERN INSTEAD OF HEALTH.
UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A, AT A DIFFICULT SPOT HERE.
UM, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY WHILE THAT'S THEIR, THEIR ZONE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO US WHERE THEY'RE JUST APPOINTED TO THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL EXPERTISE.
UM, IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THE CURB CUT SHOULD BE ON SOUTHWESTERN, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED TRAFFIC STUDIES FROM EXPERTS.
UM, UH, WHY DON'T YOU, MR. RILEY, YOU, YOU COULD SEND AN EMAIL SUGGESTING THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC STUDIES WE WANT.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? I'M SORRY, Y'ALL SAY THAT AGAIN.
SO TO FIGURE OUT, BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN THE FIELD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SAFER, WHETHER THE CURB CUT WOULD BE ON SOUTHWESTERN OR HEALTH, WE WOULD NEED, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT LOOK AT BOTH CURB CUTS.
THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO CONVINCE DOT TO SAY THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR AN ACCESS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN VERSUS GOING OUT TO HEALTH, YOU WOULD NEED SOMEONE AT THIS POINT TO ACTUALLY DO A STUDY AND SAY, OKAY.
I MEAN, I COULD SEE THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF EITHER ONE, WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY BETTER FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
IT HELPS, YOU'RE STILL MAKING A LEFT OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, OR IT'S A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION, SO I HAVE DIFFERENT CONFLICT POINTS THAT I GOTTA DEAL WITH, BUT IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, SOUTHWESTERN, HAVE YOUR OWN ENTRANCE, DOES THAT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS OR LESS PROBLEMS BY HAVING A ROOM ENTRANCE? IS IT SEPARATE FAR ENOUGH? SO UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WHAT WE'VE COME TO CONCLUSION IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WE CAN ARGUE.
I MEAN, WE, WE TRIED TO ARGUE WITH THE INTERSECTION NOT BEING EXACTLY AT A,
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A 90 DEGREE, UM, BUT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WAS ENOUGH.UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A STANDSTILL UNLESS WE'RE GONNA GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.
JUST WE WOULD LOVE THAT SAFETY WERE TO TELL US SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUPPORT US, BUT THEY DID NOT AND GAVE THE OPINION OF WHY THEY BELIEVE IT'D BE BETTER ON THE HOUSE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY GOT FORWARD THAT RESPONSE.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY DETAILED AND VERY THOROUGH AND VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
SO TO THE POINT WHERE I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SEND A LETTER TO THE DOT, UM, REQUESTING SOMETHING THAT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD DISAGREES WITH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ANY WAY WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT, IS TO HAVE A STUDY, A STUDY LOOKED AT BOTH ENTRANCES, I MEAN, WHICH I, I THINK COULD BE BENEFICIAL IN THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IS WE GOT ANOTHER BUILDING RENDERING.
UM, I MEAN, MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT ONE IS I THINK THAT THE, THE NEWEST RENDERING DOES FIT WITH THE CHARACTER.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PICTURE, I, I, I THOUGHT I, I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT REMINDED ME OF A BARN.
AND WHILE THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF A BUILDING IS PRETTY SUBJECTIVE, WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG THAT WE WANT THIS TO FIT A RURAL CHARACTER.
SO I THINK A BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT NOT THINK IS ATTRACTIVE, BUT REMINDS ME OF A BARN, IT'D BE HARD FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY TO SAY I DON'T THINK THAT FITS THE CHARACTER, THE RURAL CHARACTER WE'RE TRYING TO, TO SHOW THERE.
UM, WHAT DOES ANYBODY ELSE THINK ABOUT THAT? I AGREE WITH YOU.
IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE OLD BOX THAT WAS THERE.
AND, AND I, I THINK OF ALL THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN SO FAR THAT, THAT TO ME SAYS RURAL CHARACTER, UM, I ALSO LIKE THE, PRESERVED A LOT OF THE VEGETATION AND MAINTAINED A MORE NATURAL VEGETATED AREA, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT CHARACTER.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, DEPENDENT UPON BEING ABLE TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, AND, AND THE OTHER THING WE, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS HOW BEST TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, I, I THINK WE WERE GONNA DECIDE TODAY, AND I'LL LET, UH, SARAH, AND WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? JOE ARI.
I'LL, I'LL LET TARA AND JOE MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, UM, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS OR GO STRAIGHT TO A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
UM, SO I HOPE EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S BEEN BEEN THINKING OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS WHAT DIRECTION THEY THINK WOULD BE BEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
JUST FOR THE BOARD'S EDIFICATION, FRANK PALUSO IS THE GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DOLLAR GENERAL, PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL ON HEALTH.
HE WANTS TO, AND KIM JABLONSKY, THE WOMAN WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR IS WATCHING ON FACEBOOK.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE YES, ME TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED, THEY WATCHING IT, IT IS PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, SO, OKAY.
UM, WHICH ONE? YOU GONNA GO FIRST OR I'LL GO BRIEFLY IF YOU DON'T MIND.
AND I'LL LET TARA SPEAK TO MANY OF THE DETAILS, MR. CHAIRMAN AND PLEASURE ME OUT.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BROADWAY GROUP AS AN APPLICANT.
UM, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PRIOR PROCEEDINGS.
I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE THE FOURTH OR FIFTH TIME THAT THE APPLICANT HAS APPEARED BEFORE THIS.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION SUBMITTED ON FRIDAY THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I HOPE AND TRUST THAT EVERYONE IS IN PROPER POSSESSION OF THOSE.
I GIVE IT THAT YOU WERE GIVEN, YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE PEAK BUILDING.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS TWO MAIN ISSUES.
AGAIN, READING THE MINUTES AND TALKING TO THE APPLICANT LAST TIME.
ONE BEING THE PEAKED ROOF, WHICH YOU ADDRESSED, AND THE OTHER BEING THE, UM, MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.
UM, AND WHETHER IT BE, UH, UM, ON SOUTHWESTERN OR THE SIDE STREET.
AND THAT, I JUST WANT, I UNDERSTAND, AND AGAIN, UM, WE CHECKED FROM NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WE KNOW THEIR PREFERENCE IS AS THE BOARD.
UM, THE ONLY TRA TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD OF THE TOWN IS THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.
UM, A T UH, TIS OR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ON THIS PROJECT TO THIS SIZE WOULD BE, UH, UH, A SIGNIFICANT DETRIMENT.
BUT I'LL LET TARA SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT FINANCIALLY.
UM, AND SHE CAN GIVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD LOOKS NEEDS.
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OKAY.BOARD, ONCE AGAIN, UM, I HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GOOD WEEK AND LOOKING FORWARD TO A, UM, WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND ICE BREAK.
UM, FROM EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THESE DAYS, I, UM, IT WAS VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD THE BUILDING RENDERING BECAUSE WE HAD HAD SO MUCH, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE RURAL CHARACTER THAT THE AREA IS LOOKING FOR.
AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS, UM, THAT WERE PREFACED, UM, WITH THE INTRODUCTION.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SECOND AND MAYBE ADD ONTO THAT, THAT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS, WHICH OF COURSE WE INITIALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THE TIM HORTONS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT, UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, LIKE LONGS FLOOR CARE, WHICH IS JUST A 10TH OF A MILE OFF THE ROAD, UM, YOU LOOK AT THE GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED, WHICH IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE MILES, UM, FROM US, UM, THE BUILDING SPOT THAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE.
UM, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ADD SOME OTHER ARCHITECTURAL, UM, DETAILS AND WE'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARACTER.
BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE, WE'VE CHECKED THAT BOX, UM, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND LIKE I TOLD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING, ACHIEVING THAT WOULD BE A BIG WIN.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I WOULDN'T WANNA JUST PREFACE ALL OF OUR DETERMIN DETERMINATIONS AND REASONS JUST ON FINANCIAL MATTERS, BUT, UM, THE BUDGETARY IMPACT OF THAT BUILDING DESIGN IS ACTUALLY VERY SIGNIFICANT.
YOU MAY KNOW IF YOU WORK ANY OF YOU IN CONSTRUCTION OR MAYBE HAVE TRIED TO EMBARK ON A HOME IMPROVE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, IN THESE, IN THESE MONTHS FOLLOWING COVID, BUT THE COST OF LUMBER HAS SKYROCKETED.
AND SO THE, UM, COST TO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER THIS BUILDING TO YOU IS SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UM, WE HOPE THAT IT IS SHOWING YOU THAT WE DO WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, WE HAVE LISTENED INTENTLY TO THE FEEDBACK THAT THE BOARD HAS PROVIDED, AND WE ARE FULLY ENGAGED TO HELP FORWARD.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE FACT THAT, UM, WE'VE ALSO GONE THROUGH ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM TO REDESIGN A SITE THAT WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE, UM, GUIDANCE OF EXPERTS ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR THE BOARD SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE EXPERT GUIDANCE, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS, AND WE DON'T HAVE EXPERT GUIDANCE, AND WE MIGHT WANNA HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STEPPING OUT.
I HAVE TO ADMIT I'M A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE EXPERT GUIDANCE.
YOU HAVE THE GUIDANCE FROM YOUR OWN DOT, WHICH IS A STATE AGENCY, AND THERE ARE NO SLOUCHES.
THEY KNOW ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THEY KNOW ABOUT SAFETY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A DETAILED LETTER APPARENTLY FROM YOUR OWN TRAFFIC, UM, SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
AND SO TO, UM, LAYER ON WHAT IS ALREADY EVIDENT, UM, IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION, NOT JUST FOR ME AS THE DEVELOPER, BUT FROM EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD OF TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, UM, I THINK IS PUSHING OUR PROJECT INTO AN AREA WHERE THE, THE BOARD, I, I THINK
AND THERE'S ABOUT 17,000 IN OPERATION NATIONWIDE NOW.
AND SO WHEN WE SAY THERE'S AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE ACCESSING OUR STORE, THAT NUMBER IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT.
AND, UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED OUR SITES, UM, THROUGH A LOT OF INTERNAL MARKET MARKET RESEARCH, A LOT OF OPERATIONAL STUDIES.
THIS IS NOT A ONE-OFF STORE WHERE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA OPERATE.
WE KNOW THAT 30 STALLS IS GONNA BE SUFFICIENT.
WE KNOW HOW THE TRUCK IS GONNA ENTER AND EXIT THE PROPERTY SAFELY.
UM, WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE DELIVERING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IT TAKES OPERATIONALLY TO DIVIDE IN A GOOD WORKING SITE.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE, AND I HAVE TO SAY IT WAS A WONDERFUL COMMENT.
I THINK IT WAS AT THE VERY FIRST PLANNING BOARD THAT I HAD WITH YOU ALL, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN WHO SAID, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO FOLLOW THE SETTLING REGULATIONS, BUT WE DON'T WANT JUST TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE.
WE WANNA HAVE A GOOD SITE DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE A THOUGHTFUL SITE DESIGN.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS, UM, EVERY OTHER WEEK ON THIS PROJECT TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND SO, UM, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN APPROVED.
I'M EXCITED AND I'M SO PROUD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DELIVER THAT FOR THE TOWN.
HAVING THE PEACH ROOF, BRINGING IN THOSE EXTRA ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN VERY EMPHATIC ABOUT.
UM, WE CAN CHANGE THE DESIGN BACK TO HAVE ACCESS ON HILLS ROAD.
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HAVE OFFERED AND AGREED THE INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD ALREADY PROVIDED 97 NEW PLANTS, NEW PLANTINGS IN THE AREA, UM, AND WE HAD ALREADY AGREED TO WHATEVER TREES WE, WE COULD, UM, ON THAT SITE.UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A A FIVE ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A 16 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY 1.3 ACRES.
IT'S A VERY SMALL SITE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS.
AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE PERCEIVED IMPACT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, MEANING THAT THEY ARE, UM, LIVING THERE IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL HOMES, BUT THEY'RE UNBEKNOWNST TO THEM IN A COMMERCIALLY ZONED DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING A BLIND EYE TO THAT.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SHOWN THE BOARD IN MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN TERMS OF BEING WILLING TO, UM, TRY TO ADJUST THE DRIVEWAY.
WE CAN GET JUST A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OUR, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS OR ADDING THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING TRYING TO MOVE OUR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MORE FORWARD NORTH SO THAT WE COULD CREATE A BUFFER, AN EXTRA BUFFER FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, BEHIND US, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO IT, IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TO BE A, A GOOD PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I, AT THIS POINT, UNLESS THE THE BOARD HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I FEEL LIKE WE, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY WE'VE TRIED TO DELIVER EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
I SHARE YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT THAT YOUR TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD DID NOT COME ALONGSIDE YOU AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE THAT WOULD HELP US WITH OUR CASE WITH SO BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T STILL HAVE A SAFE, UM, SITE, A SITE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF THAT WILL LOOK GOOD AND THAT WE'LL MEET THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO, UM, I KNOW I'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT TO SAY AND, UH, OR, UH, TO, TO THINK ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UM, BUT, UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY ENGAGED IN HELPING THE SITE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I FEEL LIKE TONIGHT, UM, TO HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS AT THE OUTSET, UM, WERE, WERE, UM, A SURPRISE QUITE FRANKLY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO JUST FEEL WE ARE, WE'RE MEETING SOME ROADBLOCKS, UNNECESSARY ROADBLOCKS, UM, TO, TO ADVANCE THIS SITE.
SO, AS I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED US TO CONSIDER IS, IS HOW THE PLANNING BOARD THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT WOULD BE.
UM, MR. RILEY, YOU'RE THE, THE CONSULTANT FOR US.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK, UH, TO US ABOUT OUR OPTIONS? YES, BILL, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT, UH, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS HESITANT TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN THAT WE THOUGHT WAS READY TO GO TO THE PUBLIC WITH.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS STATING THAT THIS IS THE PLAN WE, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
I THINK WE GOTTA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON THIS.
AND THEN BASED UPON THE PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK WHETHER YOU STARTED TONIGHT OR STARTED AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE GOTTA START FILLING OUT PART TWO OF THE A F MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THE PROJECT MAY OR MAY HAVE AN IMPACTING ENVIRONMENT OR WILL NOT HAVE AT THIS POINT.
IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION, AND I MADE THAT QUITE CLEAR BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS RAISED YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
YOU HAVE CONCERNS, YOU MAY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S A LOW THRESHOLD FOR, FOR A SECRET DECISION.
SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT, GOING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S NOT LIKE IT FORCES THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION.
YOU DON'T START THE TIME PERIOD TO MAKE A DECISION ON A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AFTER YOU MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
SO I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, IT'S, IT'S BAD THAT WE'RE IN WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN NOW.
WE CAN'T GET THE NORMAL PUBLIC INPUT WHERE WE CAN TALK TO PEOPLE FACE TO FACE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, AND ARE WE MITIGATING THOSE CONCERNS.
SO, BUT I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE APPLICANT AND WE GOT AN INPUT FROM THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD, DOESN'T CHANGE MY OPINION THAT YOU STILL WOULD'VE TO POSITIVE DECK TO PROJECT, BUT I WOULD HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST AND LET'S FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES WE'VE MISSED? ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES WE CAN ADDRESS? THE BIGGEST ISSUE, I, I THINK, AND, AND I THINK TARA SAID IT, IT'S NOT A BIG SITE, IT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS, IF YOU HAD SEWER IN THIS AREA AND YOU HAD HAD, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BASICALLY CLEAR THE ENTIRE SITE TO ACCOMPLISH
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THIS, THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU PUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THERE AND THE DETENTION BASE IN, AND ALL THE FACILITIES NEEDED IT, IT JUST BASICALLY CLEARS THE ENTIRE SITE.UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO WORK, WORK ON IMPROVING.
I, I LIKE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE BUILDING.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S MORE RURAL CHARACTER THAN A FLAT ROOF BUILDING.
UM, BUT, AND I LIKE THE OFFER OF ALL THE LANDSCAPING, BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER LANDSCAPING IN ABOUT 15, 10 YEARS, THE LANDSCAPING WILL APPLIES FROM THE BEGINNING.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE TWO AND A HALF INCH CATTLE PER AND, AND SMALLER THINGS, YOU'RE TAKING A COMPLETELY WOODED SITE AND TURNING IT INTO A, A SITE WITH A BUILDING AND, AND PARKING ON IT AND OTHER AREAS OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, I'M GLAD THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, THE ZONING TALKS ABOUT SETBACKS FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND NOT RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT AS GOOD PLANNERS, WE KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA PUT A BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL USE OF HOME.
I MEAN, WE DO WANNA LIVE IN A HOME FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, SO THE APPLICANT HAS PUSHED THE BUILDING AS FAR AS THEY CAN AWAY FROM THAT HOME.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET AND LIGHTS, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD THERE.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROCEEDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I THINK MAYBE THIS IS THE PLAN NOW WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE DONE OUR, WE'VE WE'VE DONE TO A POINT THAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT THIS PLAN IS, IS WHAT THE APPLICANT BELIEVES HAS ADDRESSED MOST OF THE ISSUES OR ALL ISSUES.
SIR, I'M SORRY FOR THE LONG ANSWER, BUT HAS, SO HAS THE BOARD DECIDED TO PUT ACCESS TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO BED? WELL, THERE, GET A COPY OF THAT LETTER OR THE INFORMATION ON THE TRAFFIC? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I, I WANNA BE UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT ABOUT, I I I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT JUST CAME ME, I'M SORRY.
DDOT AND TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD ARE EXPERTS, BUT MY TRAFFIC PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED UPON INFORMATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
I MEAN, THE DOT'S POLICY, THE POLICY, THEY EVEN LOOKED AT THE SPECIFIC SITUATION AND SAID, THIS IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD HAS SAID, IN GENERAL, YOU WOULD NOT WANNA SEE A CURB CODE OUT ON A HIGHWAY.
YOU'D RATHER GO TO AN EXISTING EXISTING INTERSECTION, BUT NO ONE'S LOOKED AT IT SPECIFICALLY TO SAY, IS ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER? LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT PUTTING TRAFFIC OUT ON A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION, I NOW HAVE OTHER CONFLICT POINTS.
I HAVE THE CONFLICT POINT, I GOTTA LOOK TO MY LEFT, I GOTTA LOOK TO MY RIGHT AND I GOTTA LOOK ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE I HAVE CONFLICTS OVER THERE.
IF I HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, I DO HAVE TWO CONFLICT POINTS TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT.
YOU HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY, BUT NO ONE'S REALLY SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT IT.
I MEAN, IN GENERAL, THAT'S DOT'S POLICY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THIS AND SAY, IS THAT A BETTER SOLUTION? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? SO CAN I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LETTER FROM THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC SAFETY IS AGAIN, AN APPOINTED BOARD.
IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T SEND OUR LETTER, ASKING THEM TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THIS IN MORE DETAIL AND ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS FROM DOT WITHOUT HAVING TO NECESSARILY MOVE TO, UH, SOME OTHER PHASE? I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE BEFORE WE DOT TO LOOK AT THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY AND THE SPECIFIC CHALLENGES, NOT JUST BASED ON GENERAL BROAD GUIDANCE TO, TO PROVIDE US AN INPUT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, CAITLYN, I ASKED MY TRAFFIC PEOPLE, I'M SURE, UM, UH, CAMMY, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE TRAFFIC PEOPLE THERE TOO, THAT THEY NEED INFORMATION.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO I PREFER? ONE OR THE OTHER.
THERE'S GOTTA BE DATA ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, HOW, HOW BUSY IS THAT INTERSECTION? DO I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CONFLICT COMING THE OTHER WAY OR IS THERE REALLY NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THE OTHER WAY ON ELSE ACROSS THE STREET? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, AND MY TRAFFIC SAFETY PEOPLE SAID, WELL, HOW CAN I GIVE YOU OPINION? I, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, SARAH, SO SO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE BOARD, UH, WHAT DO YOU SAY? PUT IT, PUT THE SOUTHWESTERN TO BED? UH, I THINK IT'S THE APPLICANT.
I'M SORRY, YOU, YOU'RE SPEAKING TO ME, RIGHT? NO, I WAS TALKING TO SARAH, SARAH MADE COMMENT.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS.
IT'S, I MEAN, THE APPLICANT'S, THE ONE ONE ULTIMATELY WOULD DECIDE WHETHER TO GO FORWARD ON THIS.
WE WERE PUSHING THEM TO, UM, I I THINK WHAT I'M GATHERING FROM, FROM TARA IS DOT SAYS HEALTH TRAFFIC SAFETY SAYS HEALTH, LET'S STOP CHASING SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO, THAT'S KIND OF THE IMPRESSION I'M GETTING FROM DREW.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GO, GO TO PUB, GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING WITH A DRIVEWAY ON HEALTH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S LIKELY WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEXT MONTH AND SIX MONTHS.
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NO MATTER HOW LONG, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IS IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA DROP IT NOW SINCE YOU'VE GOT TWO DATE.SO, UM, AND I, I, I'M SORRY, I I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY DIDN'T GET THE LETTER FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY.
UH, I'LL, I'LL FORWARD IT, BUT I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I FORWARD THE RIGHT THING, SO I CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW ON MY PHONE.
UM, SO, SO BILL, IF THE APPLICANT IS INDICATING THAT THEY WANNA GO WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND HOUSE AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT THEY WANNA PROPOSE, I BELIEVE WE NEED ANOTHER NEW SITE PLAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE THAT CAN BE MADE.
THE LATEST SITE PLAN INCLUDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION.
AND SO EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER, ARE THEY, ARE, ARE WE THEN ASSUMING THEY WILL PROVIDE US ANOTHER REVISED SITE PLAN RATHER THAN JUST ROLLING BACK ANY, DON'T WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN FOR THE HEALTH? I THINK WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN FOR THE HEALTH DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT.
BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE ANY OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING COMMENTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS THERE WAS SOME SORT OF OH, OKAY.
IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO US THAT WOULD PERHAPS PRESERVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BETTER ABOUT WHAT THEY, THEY INCLUDED IN THE NOVEMBER 4TH LETTER, BUT WITH THE SOUTHWEST STILL HAVING THE DRIVEWAY ON ON HELPS.
I, I'LL LET YOU, UH, IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL BE GLAD TO SEE IF WE CAN GO BACK AND TWEAK ANYTHING.
I MEAN, OUR INTENT ALL ALONG HAS BEEN TO TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE MATURE TREES.
OBVIOUSLY THAT BECOMES A LOT MORE DIFFICULT WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE DRIVE AISLE AND THE PARKING ALONG HEALTH ROAD.
SO, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.
WE CAN MAYBE, UM, LOOK AT KEEPING SOME OF THE MATURE TREES, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, ALONG THAT, UM, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE, I THINK MOST HELPFUL IS, UM, FOR MR. BROSKY, UM, SHE'S BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUFFER AND, UM, PERHAPS WE'LL BE ABLE TO STILL PRESERVE SOME OF THE, UM, MATURE TREES THERE BECAUSE IT, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR BUILDING WILL BE PUSHED ANY, ANY, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY CLOSER TO HER PROPERTY.
SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT, SOME OF THOSE TREES BEHIND THE BUILDING AS IT IS NOW, I THINK THAT WE COULD STILL MAYBE DO THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I HOPE THAT WE CAN, UM, CAN, UM, PRESERVE AND DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I'LL ASK OUR ENGINEER TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND JUST MAKE SURE ONE THING THAT WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S JUST A KIND OF A FACT OF THINGS WHEN YOU START DISTURBING TREES, ROOTS, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT SURVIVE THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO, UM, OF COURSE WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, OUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO STAKE IT OFF THE SURVEYING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, WE STILL WOULD BE DISTURBING THE SOIL.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE AN EFFORT, UM, TO, TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE TREES.
UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE AN EFFORT TO INCREASE SOME OF THE BUFFERING, UM, THAT WE HAD ALREADY PROPOSED, UM, DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THE, THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT PROVIDING THOSE THINGS.
SO I'LL BE GLAD TO KIND OF, UM, UH, REPRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.
I CAN GET OUR ENGINEER TO WORK ON IT AND GET SOMETHING TO YOU.
SO WHEN THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT IT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, OUR MOST RECENT EFFORT.
SO WHAT ABOUT THIS FOR OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD? I, I'M ADDRESSING THE, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, WE COULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 16TH BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T WANNA SCHEDULE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE SECOND GIVEN HOW QUICKLY OUR COVID SITUATIONS CHANGED IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
UM, WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BROADWAY GROUP FOR THE 16TH, BUT STILL HAVE THEM COME BACK ON THE SECOND TO SHOW THE HEALTH DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE, WHAT THE PROJECT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL PROJECT WE MAKE A DECISION ON IS, IS MOST LIKELY GONNA HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN HELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO DECEMBER 2ND COULD MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE MOST RECENT PLAN, BUT THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PRIOR PLANS AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 16TH.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD PLAN? YEAH.
I THINK THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.
CAN WE ALSO, PERHAPS I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH THE HEALTH DRIVEWAY IS ALSO LIGHTS SHINING DIRECTLY INTO THE, THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS HEALTH ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S THE LIKE 65 19 HEALTH ROAD OFF WHERE THE DRIVEWAY AND I SURE THAT WE GET COMMENTS ON THAT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING
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AND THAT THAT'LL HAVE TO BE PART OF YEAH.GOING INTO WHAT WE DECIDE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING SO, WELL IT WAS ALSO PART OF THE COMMENTS ORIGINALLY BEFORE WHICH WAS RIGHT WAIVED TO WITH THE, THE DRIVEWAY CHANGE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP TO DECEMBER 2ND AND TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BROADWAY GROUP FOR DECEMBER 16TH.
BILL AND PLANNING BOARD ON THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
WE SHOULD START GOING THROUGH PART TWO, THE AF AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
JUST BECAUSE IT CHECKED A BOX POTENTIALLY LARGE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PREVENT PRESENT THEIR INFORMATION TO SAY WHY THAT IMPACT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT.
SO WE SHOULD HELP BY GOING THROUGH THAT PART TWO AND NARROWING DOWN AND SAY THESE ARE THE MARINE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE KNOW WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC TO SOME POINT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOSS OF VEGETATION AND MEETING THE OVERWEIGHT DISTRICT.
BUT MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE ISSUES SO THEY CAN PROPERLY ADDRESS THEM AND, AND SHOW US WHY THEY BELIEVE THOSE IMPACTS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU ON DECEMBER 2ND.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND.
UH, I'M ASSUMING THIS ONE IS GONNA BE WITHDRAWN BASED ON OUR DECISION AT THE UH, WORK SESSION.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
DATE OF DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF 5 5 0 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND PORTIONS OF 5 4 8 6 AND 5 4 7 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO PUD.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, SERGIO MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS AS WELL AS DAVID BURKE AND BRIAN BURKE.
AS A BOARD RECALL, YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT PREVIOUS AND I DO HAVE ONE HANDOUT FOR THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.
IT'S A COPY OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT DREW PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED YOU FOR THE RELEVANT PORTION OF THE SITE.
THIS SITE IS PART OF THE OVERALL BRIARWOOD VILLAGE ESTATES PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THE HISTORY GOES ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE 1980S AND WHEN WE STARTED THE DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS PROJECT, DAVE BURKE PROVIDED BOTH DREW AND I WITH EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION RELEVANT TO THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY HAD AND SAID YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WAS, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE'RE PROPOSING 182 UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED FOR THIS SITE.
SO JUST SO FOR THE RECORD SO IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE WHAT IS SHOWN ON THIS SITE HISTORICALLY, THIS PLAN IS FROM APPROXIMATELY 1998.
IS THAT AREA D? IT'S LABELED AS SENIOR LIVING.
I DID GO BACK AND TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT DAVE BURKE PROVIDED ME AND THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT SITE, WHICH WAS 10 ACRES.
AND KEEP IN MIND OUR SITE IS 16.3 ACRES WAS 160 UNITS.
SO ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE MOST OF THE OVERALL SITE IS ZONED PUD, WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR A DOWN ZONING OF ONE PARCEL AND A PORTION OF ANOTHER PARCEL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA WHERE THOSE PARCELS ARE LOCATED, IT REALLY DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING THERE.
SO I THINK FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I'M INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE OVERALL PUD MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AS DREW HAS INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUD, THE PROJECT BECOMES A ZONING.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MEAN MUCH, MEANING YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT.
THE OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE HAVE IS WE DID HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PREPARED BY SF ASSOCIATES.
I'LL BE LEAVING A COPY OF THAT WITH SARAH.
SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION IF WE GET THAT DIRECTION.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE WE'LL SUBMIT A COMPLETED PART, ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM THAT
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WILL INCLUDE THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.SARAH, ON BEHALF OF THE PLANE BOARD, WILL ISSUE A LEAD AGENCY NOTICE AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
THEN AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE WETZEL PROJECT, WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU ON JANUARY 6TH.
ALL OF THE INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES WILL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.
THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IS TRY TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE.
OFTENTIMES IN MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS YOU SEE ONE BUILDING TYPES AGAIN AND AGAIN.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS CREATE A MIXTURE OF BUILDING TYPES THAT WE THINK WILL APPEAL TO DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.
SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS SIX TWO STORY FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS AND THOSE ARE LOCATED HERE.
WE'RE SHOWING TEN ONE STORY, TWO UNIT BUILDINGS WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO SENIORS INTERESTED IN THAT ONE STORY FOOTPRINT.
TYPICALLY, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ALREADY LIVE IN HAMBURG WANNA SELL THEIR LARGER HOME BUT STAY IN THE AREA.
WE'RE SHOWING ONE, TWO STORY, 10 UNIT BUILDING.
AND THEN FINALLY WE'RE SHOWING FOUR, THREE STORY 26 UNIT BUILDINGS.
EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS DO HAVE ELEVATORS.
THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING TYPE, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN ELSEWHERE DESIGNED BY JAMES FAHEY OR SIMILAR TO THAT DESIGN, BASICALLY IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO SENIORS AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT HAS ELEVATORS, IT HAS SOME ENCLOSED PARKING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WE THINK BY INCORPORATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ONTO THE SITE, UM, IT'S GONNA BE ATTRACTIVE.
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE SHOWING EXTENSIVE GREEN SPACE AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HISTORY, GOING BACK TO THAT PLAN FROM 1998, WHAT WAS ENVISIONED ON 10 ACRES INSTEAD OF 16.3 ACRES WAS 160 UNITS.
WE'RE NOW AT 182 FOR 16.3 ACRES.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MUCH LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED ON THIS SITE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 22 YEARS AGO.
AND AGAIN, THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE IS VERY EXTENSIVE, INCLUDING THE OVERALL BEAUTY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE 1980S.
BUT THE INFORMATION THAT DAVE PACKAGED UP WAS VERY HELPFUL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
UH, WE'D WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, AND THEN THE REZONING OF THE TWO PARCELS, THE DOWN ZONING TO PUD.
SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH TONIGHT IS COMING UP WITH, UH, A LIST OF THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT WE ON THE PLANNING BOARD ARE GOING TO WANT AND NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN BOARD'S LEAD AGENCY ON THIS.
SO, UM, WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION DO WE STILL THINK WE NEED BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD? CAN WE GET THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES? OKAY, YEAH.
IN TERMS OF TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, WE HAVE 182 UNITS.
WE'RE SHOWING 421 PARKING SPACES.
SO THE TYPICAL STANDARD, ALTHOUGH HAMBURG IS ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, WE WANNA HAVE AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GARAGES AND IN RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT PARK IN THOSE OR MAY STORE STUFF, WE'RE PROPOSING 4 21 SPACES.
SO FIVE SIX, A HUNDRED SIXTY SIX GARAGES.
SO WE THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN ADEQUATE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE FULL BELT OUT OF THE SITE VISITORS, ET CETERA.
WHAT DID YOU SAY, SIR? SO THE 421 INCLUDES THE 166 GARAGES? YEAH, FOUR EXACTLY.
200, 255 OPEN SPACES, 255 SURFACE SPACES.
HOW MANY GARAGE? 166 GARAGES FOR A TOTAL OF 4 21.
SEAN, WHO OWNS GLEN EAGLE DRIVE? IS THAT A TOWN ROAD? IT'S PRIVATE ROAD.
OKAY, SO IT'S OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, I DUNNO.
NO, IT'S OWNED BY, UH, BY, WELL, YEAH, BURKE.
IT'S OWNED BY EF BURKE COMPANY, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG BURKE RELATED ENTITY.
AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND THE OWNERSHIP AND WHATEVER WHO'S OWNING AND MAINTAINING IT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE ACCESS WORK.
THE GATO DEVELOPMENT, IT MOSTLY, YOU CAN SAY IT SO THAT THE
UM, THAT, THAT ROAD IS PART OF THE PARCEL THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT WITH DATAS GOT UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE EF WORK COMPANY.
TYPICALLY WITH PRIVATE ROADS, THEY'LL WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WHO'S OWNING AND MAINTAINING IT THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE.
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YOU'RE GOING TO, BUT, UH, AND SEAN, YOU ANSWERED MY ONE BIG QUESTION WAS I THINK THE ONE ISSUE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OR TRAFFIC STUDY UPDATED THE 1998 TRAFFIC STUDY IS A LITTLE OUTDATED RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SURE THEY'LL, THEY'RE GONNA WANT UPDATED INFORMATION.AND RIGHT IN OUR REPORT, AND I'M SORRY IN OUR REPORT, IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THIS IN OUR REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THAT DOCUMENT TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT IN 1998 THERE WAS PROPOSALS FOR SENIOR HOUSING AND WHATEVER, AND THAT THIS IS JUST A MODIFICATION TO THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST CREATING SOMETHING OUT OF THE BLUE.
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT SINCE 1998 ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SARAH, YOU HAD A COMMENT EARLIER.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SOME OF THE INFORMATION YOU'LL GET WILL COME AS A RESULT OF THE COORDINATED REVIEW.
BECAUSE YOU'LL GET COMMENTS FROM ALL THOSE TO AGENCIES AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA WAIT TILL THE SECRET COORDINATING REVIEW IS DONE FOR US TO FINALIZE OUR REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE COMMENTS.
WE AGREE WITH THEM AND RESOLVE ANY COMMENTS.
SO WHEN IT GETS TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE ALL THEIR INFORMATION TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZO, AS BILL SAYS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE USE.
WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, TAMMY, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU KNOW YET? NO.
THEY'LL HAVE, UH, AT LEAST A SCHEMATIC DRAINAGE PLAN TO SAY THAT IT'S FINE.
IT IS TOO EARLY TO HAVE MUCH ELSE.
UH, AS FAR AS ENGINEERING COMMENTS, RIGHT.
YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH TO THE TOWN BOARD TO SAY, YEAH, WHEN THEY DO THE FINAL DESIGN, THIS IS GONNA WORK.
RIGHT? AND WATER AND SEWER IS NOT AN ISSUE.
GUYS, YOU TALKED TO THE WATER AUTHORITY AND WHATEVER.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF FLOWS AND PRESSURES AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE'VE DONE ALL OUR PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE, DRAWING ALL THAT, AND YES, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
BUT AGAIN, AS PART OF THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, YOU'LL GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THOSE AGENCIES.
YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH SARAH ON, UH, AND WE'LL PUT THE LIST TOGETHER ALSO.
PUT THE LIST TOGETHER, WHO WE'RE FROM A AND AND OTHERS.
WHEN WOULD A COORDINATOR REVIEW BE FINISHED THEN? WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING JANUARY 6TH.
SO WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE.
IT'S GOTTA GO OUT FOR 30 DAYS.
TODAY IS NOVEMBER 18TH, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IN TIME FOR THE, I BELIEVE IT'S DECEMBER 16TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE TIME.
COME BACK AT THE FIRST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, AND THAT'S GONNA GIVE ALL THOSE AGENCIES AT LEAST 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY, HOLIDAYS AND THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, I WANT TO PROVIDE ENOUGH TIME FOR DOT TO COMMENT ON THE TRAFFIC.
PLUS EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE IN 2021, RIGHT? YES.
EVERYONE, EVERYTHING JUST MIRACULOUSLY IS PERFECT IN 2021.
SO AN ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY CAN THINK THAT ASKED FOR AT THIS POINT? SO I WILL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATTO DEVELOPMENT TO JANUARY 6TH.
THAT IS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING.
MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE WANNA DO? OKAY.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING.