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OKAY, SO WELCOME TO THE WORK SESSION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR DECEMBER 2ND, 2020.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS CHARITY CARIG REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A DANCE CENTER TO BE LOCATED IN A PORTION OF, UH, 1900 SQUARE FOOT PORTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 6 5 5 0 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THAT IS THE, UH, THE TIM HORTON'S THAT IS, UH, SOUTHWESTERN AND, UH, WHITE OAK, PART OF THAT BUILDING CHARITY ZONE.
YOU WANNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT CHARITY? SURE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SPACE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND WE OUTDREW IT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE AND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR US THAT IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
UM, THE LOCATION RIGHT NOW HOLD, CAN WE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT TALKING IS MUTED, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, SO THE SPACE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET INTO, IT'S THE 1900 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
UM, OUR STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ABOUT 80 KIDS.
UM, AND THE, UM, THE, UM, NOT COMPLEX, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT, ABOUT 20 OF OUR, OUR 20% OF OUR STUDENTS LIVE BEHIND THERE.
SO IT'S, IT WORKS WELL FOR OUR PARENTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO, WHEN WE FIND A NEW LOCATION, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO FIVE MILES OUT OF THE WAY.
THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE WE ARE, OR EVEN CLOSER TO WHERE THEY LIVE ALREADY.
UM, THERE'S NO IN OR, UM, OUTSIDE, UM, ALTERATIONS TO THE BUILDING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, THE TWO STUDIOS.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS LIKE PARKING GOES, UM, THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING.
I THINK THE TIM HORTONS WAS BUSY DURING THE DAY.
OUR, UM, NORMAL HOURS ARE IN BETWEEN LIKE FOUR AND EIGHT O'CLOCK, NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, SO WE DON'T RUN SUPER LONG.
UM, AND AS FAR AS PARKING SPACES GO, IT WOULD BE, UM, PARENTS MOSTLY DROP OFF.
THE KIDS THAT, UM, PARENTS DO STAY ARE USUALLY FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD AND YOUNGER.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE MAYBE 10 OR 12 KIDS AT A TIME WHERE THE PARKING SPACES WOULD BE USED.
UM, BUT THAT'S AS, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, UM, AS FAR AS PARKING AND THE BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURE GOES.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? YES.
HI, UM, JERRY ON PARKING, UM, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE NUMBER, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES YOU'LL HAVE? UM, I THINK THE TOTAL PARKING LOT NUMBER IS 48.
UM, TIM HORTON'S, I BELIEVE HE SAID, ONLY TAKES UP ABOUT FIVE OR SIX EMPLOYEES.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, USING THEM RIGHT NOW.
AS FAR AS LIKE COVID GOES, THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO THE RESTAURANT.
UM, PARKING SPOTS FOR ME THAT I WOULD USE AT A SINGLE TIME WOULD MAYBE, LIKE I SAID, BE 12, 10 PARENTS AND MYSELF AND A TEACHER.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR HOURS? I'M SORRY.
I, I WAS RE WHAT'S YOUR HOURS? IT'S OKAY.
GENERALLY FROM FOUR O'CLOCK IS WHEN WE START AND WE COULD END AT EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
SO TIM HORTON'S BEING, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY BUSY DURING THE DAY.
I WOULD BE THE NIGHTTIME HOURS.
SO WE'RE KIND OF SHARING THE PARKING LOT AS FAR AS THAT GOES, AS FAR AS PARKING.
CHARITY, THIS IS, UH, DREW RILEY.
UM, HOW MANY STUDENTS DO YOU HAVE? UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT, UM, 80.
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WE WENT VIRTUAL AND WE LOST A FEW.I, I'M A VETERAN OF DANCE STUDIOS, HAVING TAKEN MY GIRLS THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
I, I KNOW HOW DANCE STUDIOS OPERATE.
SO, SO, UM, YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT AT A PEAK TIME.
SO YOU BELIEVE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA LOSE EIGHT TO 10, MOST OF THE STUDENTS ARE GETTING DROPPED OFF, RIGHT? THEY, THEY PULL UP, DROP THEIR STUDENTS OFF AND LEAVE, CORRECT? YEAH, LIKE WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE LUCKY IF THERE'S LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT SPOTS AND LIKE THE PARENT, THE PARENTS DON'T STAY.
AND THE WAY THAT I SCHEDULE MY CLASSES IS THAT, UM, GENERALLY THEY TAKE MORE THAN ONE DANCE CLASS.
SO THEY'RE THERE FOR TWO, THREE HOURS AT A TIME.
SO REALLY THERE'S ONLY CARS COMING IN, IN AND OUT MAYBE TWICE A NIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T AND THEY DON'T STAY.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE COME AND WATCH DAYS? THOSE ARE USUALLY THE PROBLEM PARKING DAYS? UH, NO THANKS TO COVID.
I FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO VIRTUAL WATCH DAYS.
SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN LIVE STREAM THE CLASSES.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME AND SIT INSIDE ANYMORE.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE HERE IS JUST PARKING.
YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION ON WHETHER THE PARKING IS, IS ADEQUATE ENOUGH FOR THIS USE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE SITE.
YOU SAID 48 SPACES, RIGHT? YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE'S 48.
AND WHAT, AND HOW, WHAT WAS THE CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN HOLD IN THE BUILDING? THE CAPACITY OF PEOPLE YOU COULD HAVE IN THE BUILDING? UM, THAT NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE PER CLASS? UM, WE HAVE SMALL CLASS SIZES.
SO THERE'S ONLY 10 PEOPLE IN A CLASS.
HOW MANY STUDIO ARE THERE JUST ONE? ARE PEOPLE ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE THAT AREN'T LIKE, CAN WATCH, CAN OBSERVE? UH, NO.
SO THE, THE WAY WE HAVE, WELL THE WAY I WOULD LIKE IT LAID OUT IS THAT THERE'S JUST A VERY SMALL LOBBY THAT IF THEY NEED TO, THEY CAN WALK THEIR KID IN AND THEN THEY WOULD EITHER LEAVE OR WAIT IN THE PARKING LOT.
RIGHT NOW WITH COVID RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S NO WAITING.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WAS LEADING, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE CAPACITY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CAPACITY, SO.
HOW MANY STUDIOS ARE THERE? CHARITY.
CHARITY? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TWO ROOMS. JUST TWO OF THE TWO STUDIOS.
SO SOME OF THE BIGGER STUDIOS HAVE FIVE, SIX STUDIOS AND THEY AVERAGE 10 15 IN A CLASS, THEN IT GETS A LITTLE
WE HAVE UPWARDS OF 30 COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS POSITIVE ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HERE? YES.
SO I JUST DID, I LOOKED AT THE LETTER FROM TIM HORTON'S AND IT SAYS THAT THEY USE, ANTICIPATE USING FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, FOUR FOR THEIR PATRONS.
AND THEN GIVEN WHAT MS. CARIG IS TELLING US, THERE'S TWO SPACES SHE'S ANTICIPATING USING ONE FOR HERSELF AND ONE FOR THE OTHER TEACHER, WHICH WOULD LEAVE 33 AVAILABLE SPACES, WHICH SEEMS FAR IN EXCESS OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR THE 20 STUDENTS.
SHE PLANS ON HAVING THERE AT ANY ONE POINT.
JUST IF ANYBODY WANTED THE MATH OF IT.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE TIM HORTON'S NUMBERS IN THEIR LETTER.
UM, SO WE DO, DO WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS ONE? YES.
ANY ISSUES WITH SCHEDULING THAT FOR OUR DECEMBER 16TH MEETING, UH, SARAH OR SARAH HAS WALKED AWAY.
DO WE HAVE THE OPTION HERE OF RECOMMENDING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER? OR DOES ROGER WANT US TO DO SITE PLAN APPROVAL? I THINK NO, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND IF THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMFORTABLE, I MEAN, WE EITHER HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OR RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER TO ROGER AND THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT, UH, WHAT DO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WANNA DO? YOU WANNA RECOMMEND A WAIVER BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE AND WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SHOW THERE'S AMPLE PARKING.
I THINK A SITE PLAN WAIVER, IT'S A PERMITTED USE AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL SPACE
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IT'S IN.SO BETWEEN THAT AND THE ADEQUATE PARKING AND THE SUPPORT OF THE OTHER TENANT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CHARITY CARE RIG DANCE CENTER.
IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A SITE PLAN WAIVER FORM AND HAVE BILL SIGN IT AND THE PROPER PEOPLE SIGN IT AND PUT IT IN THE FILE FILE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION IS JOHN AKA BILL.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? BILL, COULD I JUST TELL CHARITY TO GIVE ME A CALL TOMORROW AND WE'LL GET HER SET UP? YEAH, HOLD ON.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JOHN AKA REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 5,845 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 6 4 0 SOLES ROAD.
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE ON THE LINE.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE, WHY WE'RE WAITING IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME IDEA ON THE TYPE OF USE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE THE USE IS GONNA GENERATE THE PARKING.
I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW HE DOES NOT HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF USE.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO AT LEAST PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT IF HE'S NOT GONNA, MAYBE HE'LL HAVE A USE PICKED OUT BY THE TIME WE GET THE PLANNING, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
RIGHT NOW,
CORRECT? CHRIS WOODS SAID THAT IT, HE, HE, IT WOULD BE OFFICES LOW, UH, TRAFFIC TYPE OFFICES, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND YET.
OH, CHRIS JUST THOUGHT HE, HE WA TRI DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS ON THIS MEETING.
SO THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN THEY'D HAVE TO PROVIDE US.
WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM DIRECTION ON THINGS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS, I'M SURE EVERYBODY AGREES IS HAVING ENTRANCES ON BOTH ROADS IS GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC AND, AND NOT KNOWING THE USE OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, OFFICES IS MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAD BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.
CHRIS IS GONNA, CHRIS IS GONNA GET ON.
AND, AND SARAH'S POINTED OUT THE ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH BEFORE IS THAT WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE FOR THE ONE SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.
AND WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT DOOR, DOOR, A HOME.
DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS? IT'S THE, IT'S THE FORMER HOME OF JOHN TARNISH.
IF ANY OF YOU KNEW HIM FROM THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, IT WAS HIS HOME.
BUT JOHN TARNISH WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THE TRAFFIC SAFETY, UM, TOWN TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD AND ALSO IN THE, WITH THE VILLAGE
DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIM, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING SPOT TOO, BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY AT A TRANSITION FROM KIND OF MORE COMMERCIAL AND BUILT UP TO, TO RESIDENTIAL WITH SMALL BACKYARDS EVEN ON THE RESIDENCE AS ADJACENT CHRIS IS ON.
AND SOMEONE ASKED, SOMEONE ASKED ME.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN COMMERCIALLY ZONED FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS.
IT'S PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S CHANGED IN THE RECENT PAST.
HELLO, CHRIS? WHAT? WHAT? HELLO? CHRIS? OH, CHRIS THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, JOHN AKA PROJECT.
I JUST GOTTA GET MY DRAWING BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE WANNA DO, UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
THE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
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IS TO KNOCK THAT DOWN AND BUILD A 5,845 SQUARE FOOT, UH, PROBABLY MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.THE IDEA IS, UH, TO POSSIBLY GET A SMALL COFFEE SHOP AND THEN THE REST BE, UH, A SMALL OFFICE.
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 22 PARKING SPACES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT THAT HE WANTS TO DO, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ADEQUATE FOR THE PROJECT, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD ADD A FEW MORE GOING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS TOWARDS SEO AND ALSO SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THOSE WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCES IF WE GET TOO CLOSE TO, UH, EITHER RIGHT AWAY.
HOW MANY OFFICES WOULD IT BE? UH, IT, IT POTENTIALLY BE ONE OFFICE AND ONE SMALL COFFEE SHOP.
HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY TENANTS AT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HIS PLAN IS.
AND, UH, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROACH THE DOT ABOUT THE, THE CURB PIT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
OBVIOUSLY A, UH, COMMERCIAL PROJECT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT DOESN'T FRONT AND DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE SOUTHWESTERN IS GONNA BE KIND OF, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AT A DISADVANTAGE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES ALONG THERE.
CHRIS, IS THIS COFFEE SHOP GONNA BE SIT-IN OR IS IT GONNA HAVE A, A DRIVE THROUGH? NO, NO, NO DRIVE THROUGH? NO, IT'D BE A, IT'D BE A, A SMALL COFFEE SHOP.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR SURE THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HE IS PURSUING RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE A TENANT SIGNED YET.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR THE POTENTIAL CAPACITY FOR THE INSIDE OF, OR, OR HOW BIG THE SPACE IS FOR THE COFFEE SHOP VERSUS HOW MUCH IS FOR THE OFFICES? UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE? YEAH.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IT WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE THAN PROBABLY 20 SEATS.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE COME BACK FOR OUR, UH, A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A FEW MORE ANSWERS TO THAT.
REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST FOR FIXED PLAN DIRECTION.
AND RIGHT NOW HE HAS IT UNDER CONTRACT AND HE, HE WE'RE TRYING TO JUST KIND OF DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE ON THE SITE BEFORE HE ACTUALLY CLOSES ON THE PROPERTY.
ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY SORT OF, OR THINKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING OR SOME SORT OF SCREENING BETWEEN THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THE, AND THE PARKING AREA? YEAH, ALONG THE, ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, WE'D PROBABLY MOST LIKELY PUT A FENCE JUST, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE SCREENING.
WE, WE WOULD ALSO PUT THE LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, NICE LANDSCAPING ALONG SOUTHWESTERN AND S SOLES.
WHAT'S THE BUILDING GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, ALL WE'VE GOT IS A, IS A SQUARE.
I MEAN AT THIS POINT WE, WE DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT USES ARE GONNA FIT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A FEASIBLE PROJECT WHEN WHEN WE COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WE, WE CAN, UH, BRING BACK SOME, SOME REPRESENTATIVE RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE BUILDING MAY LOOK LIKE.
IS IT NOT FEASIBLE IF THE DOT DOESN'T ALLOW A CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN? UH, I'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH, WITH, WITH MY CLIENT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, A ANY, ANY TENANT THAT GOES IN THERE IS PROBABLY GONNA WANT ACCESS TO SOUTHWESTERN.
WOULD YOU DO THE PROJECT WITH JUST ACCESS TO SOUTHWESTERN AND NOT THE SOS POTENTIALLY? WE, WE THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, THE ACCESS TO SOLES MIGHT BE GOOD FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES BECAUSE, UH, YOU PULLING OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN WITH ONLY ONE WAY IN AND OUT AND THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE TOUGH.
HOW YOU GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING CUT THROUGHS? THAT'S MY CONCERN.
WE, WE THOUGHT THAT THE DRIVEWAY ON SOS MIGHT END UP BEING AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVEWAY THAT WE COULD GATE AND POSSIBLY ROTATE THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AROUND WHERE THE DUMPS, THE GARBAGE TRUCK COULD ACCESS THAT OFF OF SOS, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE FROM SO TO SOUTHWESTERN OR VICE VERSA.
AND CHRIS THROW GARBAGE IN ONE END AND TAKE IT UP ON THE OTHER.
IT'D BE, IT'D BE ORIENTED TOWARDS SOULS AS OPPOSED TO SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE NEED TO KEEP IT ORIENTED THE WAY WE HAVE IT, WE CAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A STRUGGLE RIGHT NOW.
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THERE'S SO MUCH AMBIGUITY ABOUT THE INITIAL PROJECT.UM, I GUESS WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THE QUESTIONS.
I GUESS WHAT WE WERE BASICALLY LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE WORK SESSION WAS GOING FORWARD, IS THIS A PROJECT YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE LOCATION, THE ACCESS, I GUESS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, SPACES, JUST IN GENERAL, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS SEE ARE GONNA HAVE A, A LOT OF ISSUES? WELL, I THINK THE PARKING SPACES IS ALL DETERMINED BASED ON WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE AND I THINK WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE CONCERNS MIGHT BE BASED, BASED ON PERHAPS WHAT GOES IN THERE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHAT THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE.
THOSE, THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE BASED ON THINGS YOU GIVE US.
AND THEY MAY BE ISSUES, THEY MAY NOT BE ISSUES, BUT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S HARD TO COME AT YOU WITH THOUGHTFUL AND APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS.
CHRIS, I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD REALLY BE LOOKING FOR IS SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK OR INPUT FROM DOT ON THEIR SPECIFIC FEELINGS ON A CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN THERE.
I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING A POTENTIAL CUT THROUGH AND HOW THAT IS.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN MOVING THIS THROUGH EFFICIENTLY IS JUST HAVING SOME ANSWERS FROM DOT AND SOME INPUT FROM THEM PRIOR TO, OR CONCURRENT WITH COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO EVALUATE THE TRAFFIC AND THE CURB CUT AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF WITHOUT THEIR INPUT, I JUST DON'T THINK IS EFFICIENT USE OF, OF YOUR CLIENT'S TIME FOR US, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
I MEAN IN THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE, ON THE SOLES, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT A NON-STARTER OR WOULD YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S A NON-STARTER I'LL JUST TAKE IT OFF OR SHOW IT AS A GATED EMERGENCY ACCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE SEND IT TO DOT, I THINK ANYTHING THAT COULD BE USED AS A CUT THROUGH WOULD BE A NON-STARTER.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I FIGURED, BUT THEY WANTED TO SHOW IT SO I FIGURED I WOULD SHOW IT AND WE, WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OFF OR REVISE IT.
I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING ACCESS ONLY ON SOULS ROAD IF THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WANTED TO BE PURSUED, UM MM-HMM
BUT I THINK THE CUT THROUGH POTENTIAL IS A CONCERN, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FOLKS ARE CUTTING THROUGH THE, THE SEVEN 11 NOW.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS JUST AJA, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ALSO ALREADY HAS A PASS THROUGH TO BOTH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TRUE AUTHORIZED RAISED NOW BY, BY DOT OR OTHERS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE
I DO KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS, UH, AT OREGON ROAD WITH TRAFFIC.
THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTS ON OREGON ROAD, THEY UH, WAS THAT KFC THAT THEY CAME IN, THEY HAD LOTS OF TRAFFIC CONCERNS RELATED TO BILL, THE KFC OR JUST LUBE? J LUBE WAS BEFORE ME.
HOW CLOSE WOULD THIS LINE UP WITH THAT? OREGON NOT CLOSE DOWN.
IT'S DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
MUCH CLOSER TO, SO OBVIOUSLY I THINK IT'S, UM, CLOSER TO, IT'S LIKE ACROSS FROM WHERE THE, THE LOWE'S DRIVEWAY COMES OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE UM, THE SPLIT LIKE SIDE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT FOR WHERE THE LOWE'S IS NOT THE ONE WITH THE LIGHT.
THE OTHER ONE WOULD THEY CON THAT'S RIGHT NEAR OREGON THOUGH.
WOULD THEY CONSIDER DOING, UM, MUCH LIKE LOWE'S HAS THE FORK TO EXIT WHERE YOU CAN ONLY GO OUT MAKING A RIGHT AND YOU ONLY COME IN JUST, I'M FEELING LIKE THAT AREA IN SOUTHWESTERN IS EXTREMELY BUSY AND CONGESTED AND IT WOULD BE MM-HMM
VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THERE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE LOWS EXIT RIGHT THERE.
WE, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
'CAUSE THEN MAYBE IF WE HAD RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT THERE AND FULL ACCESS ON THE SOS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW YEAH.
I THINK, OR OR SOME COMBINATION OF, OF THE TWO AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOT IS GONNA SAY ACCESS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN EITHER.
AND PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE, UH, AERIAL THAT MATT SENT ER SHOWS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT ENTRANCE POINT.
SO ON SOUTHWEST ACROSS FROM THE LOWS MM-HMM
RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO LIKE SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO LIGHTS, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MM-HMM
LAG TIME TO GIVE YOU TO MAKE THE TURNS.
THAT'S WHAT HAS ME A LITTLE CONCERNED.
WE KNOW WITH AN ACCESS ON SOS RIGHT.
I HAVE A FEELING, I DON'T KNOW HOW DOT IS GONNA USE THEIR NEW POLICY.
THIS IS NOT A CORNER LOT, BUT IT'S A DOUBLE FRONTING LOT.
WHETHER THEY'LL JUST BASICALLY SAY YOU GOTTA HAVE ACCESS
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ON SOULS AND NOT ON SOUTHWESTERN, BECAUSE THEIR WHOLE POLICY NOW IS ACCESS TO MANAGEMENT.SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
I'LL EMAIL THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT THE PHONE.
I'LL EMAIL IT TO, TO ED RAKOWSKI AND SEE IF YOU CAN CIRCULATE IT AROUND AND GET US SOME COMMENTS.
SO BASED UPON YOUR SKETCH PLAN, THE PLANNING BOARD IS CONCERNED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY PARKING BASED UPON USE.
THE PLANNING BOARD IS CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS, THE PLANNING BOARD IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AESTHETICS.
WHENEVER YOU HAVE A DOUBLE FRONTING LOT, YOU DON'T WANT BACKS OF BUILDINGS FACING, SO THE BUILDING'S GOTTA BE DESIGNED THE CORRECT WAY, SO IT'S NOT AN AESTHETIC PROBLEM.
AND THEN ALSO PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
WOULD, ARE THERE, ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS? I THINK THAT'S, AND THEN, AND I I HAD ONE QUESTION.
WOULD, WOULD THE PLANNING BOARD IN GENERAL BE SUPPORTIVE OF A VARIANCE FOR PARKING SETBACK IF I ADDED ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN RIGHT AWAY? WELL, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UM, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WOULD HAVE TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE AND RIGHT.
AND I THINK MEGAN SAID IT CORRECTLY.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA OVER PARK THE SITE EITHER, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE USE TO DETERMINE THE PARKING.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PUT LOTS OF PARKING ON THERE AND THEN IT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED.
IT'S GONNA BE HEAVILY DEPENDENT UPON THE USE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO NEED.
WE DON'T WANNA OVER OVER PARK THE SITE.
WE DON'T WANT YOU JUST BUILDING A BIG PARKING LOT JUST IN CASE.
AND, AND THOSE, THAT SPACE MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, ON BOTH SOLES AND SOUTHWESTERN.
THEY ALSO DON'T WANT TO GET PARKING SPACES TOO CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE ON EITHER STREET WHERE YOU'RE BACKING OUT AND A CAR MAY BE COMING IN.
SO, UM, YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT, THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT VERY WELL.
UM, I MEAN IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON THE LAYOUT.
IT'S HARD TO, TO REALLY COMMENT ON IT WITH WITHOUT MORE INFORMATION, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW IT IS AND HOW IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK FROM BOTH STREETS.
I THINK WE KIND OF
UH, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHEN THEY GET IN AND OUT AND OH, THE AREA CAN LOOK NICE.
SO, SO CHRIS, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD UNDER SKETCH PLAN.
YOU PAY YOUR A HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU CAN COME AND JUST GET GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THERE'S NO SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANNA MAKE AN APPLICATION, SO LET'S SARAH KNOW IF YOU WANT TO APPEAR ON ANOTHER PLANNING BOARD OR NOT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY $200 DREW.
I SHOULD GET AT LEAST A COUPLE MEETINGS OUTTA THAT
WELL LET SARAH KNOW AND, AND BILL KNOW, AND THE PLANNING BOARD KNOW IF YOU WANNA COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR DO YOU WANNA COME BACK IN A MONTH OR, OR WHAT YEAH.
CAN WE, OR CAN WE, CAN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS? I'LL BE A LITTLE BETTER PREPARED BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS ACTUALLY WAS ON FOR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, BUT, UM, AND THEN I CAN, THEN I CAN BRING SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND STUFF.
YOU WANNA BE ON THE WORK SESSION NEXT IN TWO WEEKS OR THE REGULAR MEETING WORK SESSION'S FINE.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JOHN AKA, TO THE WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER 16TH.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA, ANY INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHUCK BOCK REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A REVISED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN, APPROVAL REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT NEW MINI STORAGE BUILDINGS AT 1975 LAKEVIEW ROAD AND 1983 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MEGAN WAS ON THE BOARD LAST TIME.
IT WAS THE REUSE OF A RUNDOWN COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND I THINK AT THE TIME WE DID THE APPROVAL, HE DID TALK ABOUT TRYING TO ACQUIRE THE BILL THE LOT NEXT DOOR.
AND APPARENTLY I GUESS THAT'S HAPPENED.
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CHUCK, CHUCK IS REARRANGING WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE BACK, BUT IT'S LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN WHAT YOU APPROVED.AND THEN ADDING THE, THE, UH, THE MINI STORAGE WHERE THE, THAT BUILDING WAS, THAT'S BEEN TORN OUT.
I MEAN OUR, OUR BIG CONCERNS THE FIRST TIME AROUND WAS HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE ROAD AND HE WAS MAKING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING SO IT WAS GONNA LOOK BETTER.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT'S STILL OUR CONCERNS.
IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS NEW LAYOUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE MORE FROM THE FRONT.
YOU SAID HE IS ON THE LINE, RIGHT? YEP.
UH, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, HE ALSO NEEDS A VARIANCE FOR THE MINI STORAGE IN THE FRONT AND HE'S GOING FOR A VARIANCE, UM, I THINK IN JANUARY.
HE IS CALLING ME, RIGHT? I'M GONNA PUT HIM ON SPEAKERPHONE BECAUSE HE CAN HEAR US BUT WE CAN'T HEAR HIM.
SO LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN HEAR HIM.
YOU GOT HIM? I CAN HEAR HIM NOW, CHUCK, JUST TELL THEM WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO, WOULD YOU? YES.
UM, SO I KNEW WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS BUILDING WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE MORE SPACE BASED OFF SOME RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, AND STORAGE UNITS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY STORAGE UNITS PREVIOUSLY.
I HAVE UH, UM, A LOT OF APARTMENTS, BUT, UM, THIS WAS KIND OF A NEW ENDEAVOR THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THAT BUILDING.
AND FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT TURNED OUT THE PROS AND CONS BEING AN INTERIOR BUILDING, UM, WHERE I, MY MY CONCEPT WAS MORE OF A DRIVE THROUGH, UM, INDOOR STORAGE AND IT'S GOING WELL, BUT IT'S LIMITED.
I KNEW THE BACK BUILDING, UM, WAS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ROUGH SHAPE AND I DID WANNA REDESIGN THE BACK.
UM, I OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO MAKE THE BACK OF THE LOT, UM, IS LICENSE THE FRONT, WHICH I'M PLANNING ON DOING PRETTY MUCH ALL AROUND SAME SKETCH PLANS AS THE PREVIOUS PLANS WITH THE FIRST PHASE.
I CONSIDER THIS THE FIRST PHASE AND THE SECOND PHASE.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS A VIABLE INVESTMENT, IT'S UH, WE DEFINITELY NEEDED MORE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WHERE, UM, UH, IN MOST CASES MORE THAN YOU REALLY WANTED IT TO BE.
UM, SO THE, THE LOOKS OF THE BUILDINGS, SO ALL PRETTY MUCH LOOK VERY SIMILAR, SAME COLORS, UM, VERY CLEAN, NEAT LOOKING, WELL LIT.
UM, IRONICALLY I'M, I'M MORE EXCITED ABOUT A PHASE TWO THAN PHASE ONE.
THIS FRONT BUILDING I'M LEARNING IS JUST LIMITED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE CEILINGS.
'CAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO MAIN DRIVE THROUGH DOORS.
UM, WE'RE STILL PLANNING ON STILL DOING IT ONE WAY, YOU KNOW, AROUND MOST OF, UH, THE THE SKETCH PLAN.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE LOOK AND THE LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEFINITELY PLANNING ON DOING THE SAME THING.
UM, I LIKE THE LOOKS FOR THIS BUILDING.
UH, WE DID PURCHASE 1983 LAKEVIEW ROAD SEPARATELY AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JOINED TO 1975 FBL AND FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT NOW AS WELL AS A PLAN FOR A VARIANCE JUST TO PUT THE BUILDING, UM, UP FRONT.
UM, WHERE THAT THEY, UH, YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNEW THAT THEY DEMOED THE OFFICE BUILDING FOR HASBRO PLASTICS ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE WE CLOSED ON 1983 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
UM, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL LOOK PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL, UM, TO, UH, TO THE, TO THE RIGHT MEANING COLORS, UH, LANDSCAPE.
UM, I JUST WANT IT TO LOOK VERY COOL.
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COMMENTS AND ONE OF MOST POSITIVE REMARKS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, BASED OFF THE, THE PHASE ONE ON THIS FRONT BUILDING BEING COMPLETED WAS THE LOOKS OF THE BUILDING AND PEOPLE MAKE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THAT.SO YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE UH, AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN GET ABOUT THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND UH, PICTURES WOULD BE THE BEST, ESPECIALLY FROM THE FRONT.
UM, ANYTHING, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD? NOPE, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
YEAH, I'M PLANNING ON DOING VERY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE COMPLEX, SO IT'S GONNA BE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE IDENTICAL LOOKING VERY NICE, VERY CLEAN.
I'M, I'M DEFINITELY TRYING TO RAISE THE STANDARDS, UM, OF WHAT THESE STORAGE UNITS LOOK LIKE.
UM, BECAUSE OF ME FROM OTHER PROJECTS, THAT'S ONE OF MY MOST, UH, ADMIRABLE ATTRIBUTES THAT I LIKE TO DO.
UM, AFTER THE BUILDING'S DONE, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KEEP THAT ENTHUSIASM UP WITH THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S UH, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I, I WANNA DO FOR LAKEVIEW.
I'M HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IF THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU THINK I COULD DO.
I MEAN, I EVEN THOUGHT OF LIKE A NICE, NICE BIG OLD LOOKING CLOCK THAT WOULD LOOK GOOD, UM, ON THE MAIN BUILDING UP IN THE FRONT.
UM, SOME, SOME LITTLE DETAILS.
AND NOW THAT THE FRONT, FRONT BUILDING'S FINISHED, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE BUILDINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
DREW, DID YOU PULL THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING AND FIND UH, ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAD? I PULLED THE MINUTES AND THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OTHER THAN NO OUTSIDE STORAGE.
I'M NOT PLANNING ON HAVING ANY MORE OUT OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I DON'T WANT IT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT THAT, THAT TYPE OF OF LOT.
I WANT EVERYTHING INSIDE, EVERYTHING CLEAN AND UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL.
AND I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ONE OF THE, THIS REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE HAVE TO AMEND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE DETERMINATION OF IT.
ONE OF THE ISSUES WE SAID WAS WHEN IT GOT TO THE IMPACT OF CHARACTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WE SAID THAT ALL THE NEW MINI STORAGE UNITS WILL BE BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO THIS ONE IS GONNA BE MORE OUT FRONT.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AESTHETIC ISSUE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE SAME FINDINGS THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THE SAME FINDING THAT ALL THE NEW HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONLY, YEAH, THE, THE 1983 LOTS KIND OF A SMALLER LOT, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE OFFICE WAS FOR HASBRO PLASTIC WAY BACK IN THE TIME.
BUT, UM, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE LOOKED VERY SIMILAR.
AND WHEN, WHEN YOU GET TO THE SITES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH THAT YOU COULD DO, UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE REALLY, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE FIREMAN'S LOT FROM BURKE ROAD, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M PLANNING ON PUTTING BLUE SPRUCE PRETTY MUCH IN THE BACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST POINTING OUT, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE ISSUES.
SO ONCE YOU SUPPLY THAT INFORMATION, EXPLAIN TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY CAN MAKE THAT SAME FINDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT AESTHETICS AND WHATEVER AS CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB SO FAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD AERIALS, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THAT USED TO LOOK LIKE DOWN THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO DO WE WANT, ARE WE AT A POINT, SARAH? WE DON'T HAVE A FULL APPLICATION YET.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GET THE COMPLETE.
AND HE'S GOTTA GO TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND WHEN ARE THEY MEETING, UH, CHUCK HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE YET? I WAS PLANNING ON GOING IN TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO CALL TO SEE WHO WAS IN THE OFFICE OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANTED ME TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT FOR TOMORROW.
SO, UM, I'M PLANNING ON DOING THAT TOMORROW AND THEN, UM, SO HE'LL, HE'LL BE ON THE JANUARY THE NIGHT BEFORE YOUR FIRST JANUARY MEETING.
DO YOU WANNA CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR FIRST JANUARY MEETING? UH, UH, CHAIRMAN.
UNLESS ANYBODY'S GOT ANY OBJECTIONS.
UM, I MEAN THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY PROBLEM WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENDERINGS YET.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I THINK THE RENDERINGS ARE, MAY BE KEY AND IT'S PROBABLY GOOD TO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE PRIOR TO SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE COULD, WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE IT, UH, FOR THE MEETING ON THE SIXTH AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THOSE RENDERINGS THEN WE COULD DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE UH,
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20TH.WHAT ABOUT, WHAT IF WE PUT HIM ON THE 16TH OF DECEMBER IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN HE'LL GET YOU THE RENDERINGS AND THEN YOU CAN SET A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT POINT.
YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE COULD GET THE RENDERINGS BEFORE ZONING.
I THINK AS FAR AS THE RENDERINGS IS, AS FAR AS LIKE PICTURES.
I MEAN IF IF IT'S GONNA BE EXACTLY LIKE WHAT'S THERE NOW, UM, SHOW ALL THE SAME COLOR, SAME COLOR DOORS, SAME COLOR ROOF.
SO JUST GIVE US A PICTURE OF THE, OF THE EXISTING FRONT.
EXISTING AND, AND THE NEW ONE.
I EMAIL THAT OVER TO YOU, SARAH.
BILL, WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU SAY BILL, THE EXISTING AND THE NEW ONE? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE, I MEAN, I KNOW HE SAYS IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA MATCH, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE EXACTLY THE SAME THEN THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY USE THE SAME PICTURE TWICE IF THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENCES.
WE WANNA SEE THE DIFFERENCES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON USING THE SAME COLOR METAL, SAME COLOR, SAME DISTRIBUTORS.
UM, THESE ARE STORAGE UNIT KITS, SO THEY'RE JUST, THEY, THEY COME IN LIKE A, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT THEM.
IT'S GONNA LOOK, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE OTHER BUILDING AND UH, AS FAR AS THE COLORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I REALLY DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE.
IT'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK TO UH, TO THIS BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL, JUST LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THIS LOT WASN'T REALLY BIG ENOUGH.
I NEEDED A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OF A LOT.
JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING SO FAR WITH THIS PROJECT WAS JUST LIKE THE, THE, THE WIDTH.
NO, IT'S GONNA BE IDENTICAL TO THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK, YOU SAID? UM, YEAH, SO, SO CHUCK JUST, UM, YOU JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK, WE'LL WE'LL GET THEM, WE'LL GET THEM SOMETHING THAT'LL, OKAY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE ARCHITECT, UM, IF SHE COULD GET 'EM THAT FAST.
YOU KNOW HOW THESE GUYS OPERATE.
I MEAN WE CAN DO THAT JANUARY 6TH PLAN AND, OKAY, SO CHUCK, YOU WANT, IF THAT GIVES YOU MORE TIME, YOU WANNA WAIT TILL, I'M DEFINITELY OKAY WITH THAT.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE CHUCK B TO JANUARY 6TH, SECOND.
SO THAT IS IT FOR THE WORK SESSION.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL START THE REGULAR MEETING.
WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS NATION, SORRY, BETH NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I ALWAYS MESS IT UP THERE, DENNIS.
AND I DON'T HAVE YOU FOR ME TO FOLLOW.
WELL, I GUESS YOU DON'T GET A S FIGHT TONIGHT.
WELL, WELL WE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE A LOT WHEN I WAS IN THE MILITARY.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY ONLY HERE AND IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO, ALL RIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PULL THIS UP.
INNUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TYLER SCHMIT REQUESTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROW.
SO I LOOK, WAS LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS FOR THE LAST MEETING BEFORE THIS MEETING ON FACEBOOK.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, WHAT, HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS SINCE THE LAST MEETING, SARAH? NO, I'VE SPOKEN WITH A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND I GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY AND THEY DECLINED.
THEY SAID THEY MIGHT WATCH ON FACEBOOK AND I GOT NO COMMENTS FROM THEM.
SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEING THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
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AT THE, THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAR WASH, UH, DREW SENT THOSE TO US BEFORE THE MEETING.I THINK THIS MEETS ALL OF THOSE.
IT'S, IT'S THE GENERAL COMMENTS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT I, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, TWO AND THREE, UH, TOWN CODE.
UH, ONE OF THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
I KNOW AT ONE POINT IN TIME A RESIDENT BROUGHT UP A CONCERN ABOUT CARS IDLING AND MAYBE THE FUMES FROM THAT COMING OVER TO HIS LOT NEXT DOOR.
HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED OR DO WE UM, WAS THERE AN ANSWER TO, TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT? SEAN IS ON.
CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? THIS IS SEAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE CAN PULL UP, I ACTUALLY DID A BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND I THINK BILL, WITHIN THAT I ADDRESSED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA.
SO IF SOMEONE COULD PULL THAT UP, I'LL WALK THROUGH IT AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THAT, UM, I'LL ADDRESS THOSE TOPICS BRIEFLY.
WHEN DID WE GET THAT, SARAH? DO YOU KNOW? HOLD ON.
SO I, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT BILL, SO I CAN'T, RIGHT.
CAN YOU PULL IT UP? YOU CAN PULL IT UP ON YOUR SCREEN.
NO, I CAN'T 'CAUSE IT'S ON MY WORK EMAIL, BUT I'M GONNA UM, FORWARD IT TO, I MEAN I CAN FORWARD YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I'LL JUST FORWARD IT TO MEGAN.
AND MEGAN, IT'S SAVED AS A PDF SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPEN IT REAL EASY.
SO I WILL NOTE BEFORE WE BEGIN, ALSO WITH ME THIS EVENING IS TYLER SCHMITZ, RANDY SCHMITZ.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ANTHONY ALPE FROM CARINA WOODMORE.
UH, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU HAD AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
THE APPROVALS WE'RE SEEKING ARE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THE SITE IS.
WE'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND WHEN WE CALL UP TO AERIAL, BUT IT'S 58 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.8 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT IS PROPER ZONE C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE INTENT OF THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT, IT IS FOR THESE TYPE OF USES IN FACT SPEC THAT THE INTENT IS FOR COMMERCIAL USES OF UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET REGIONAL TYPE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER SITE, MUCH LESS INTENSE THAN MANY OF THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE C TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
WE'RE HAVING ANY LUCK OVER THERE.
DID YOU GET IT MEGAN? I I DID GET IT.
IT'S JUST A LARGER FILE SO IT'S TAKING LONGER, LOADED BACK UP AND SHARE THE SCREEN.
CLARIFY THAT SEAN, YOU ARE IN THE C TWO DISTRICT, BUT YOU ARE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH TALKS ABOUT SMALLER USES IN THE VILLAGE TRANSITION AREA.
SO WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT 50 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS IN THE CAMP ROAD OVERLAY VILLAGE TRANSITION AREA.
RIGHT? WELL, AND OF COURSE OUR SITE IS 0.8 ACRES IN SIZE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S
YEAH, I'M JUST GOING OVER WHAT, WHAT'S THE ZONING WE DON'T ALLOW? RIGHT, RIGHT.
YEAH, WE, WE WON'T BE PROPOSING A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
IT'S GENERALLY LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET IN THAT RANGE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR SMALLER, UH, TYPE USES IN THE VILLAGE TRANSITION AREA.
HEY BILL, I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT UM, A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LAG, UM, ON FACEBOOK THERE WERE THREE COMMENTS RELATED TO THE CAR WASH THAT DID COME IN.
ONE IS FROM FRED KAWA WHO STILL HAS A CONCERN ABOUT DRIVING.
ONE IS FROM MARK JACOBS WHO THINKS THE CAR WASH WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE AREA.
AND THE THIRD IS FROM ALEXIS SLIGHT WHO HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE FLAPS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S FLAPS TO ENTER OUR EXIT SIMILAR TO DELTA SONIC AND SOME CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE FROM THE BLOWERS.
OKAY, SO MEGAN, DO YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE PRESENTATION MEGAN? YES, SHE DOES.
IF SO, IF WE WANT TO JUST GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE ARROW.
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SO THAT, THAT, THAT, JUST TO RE ACCLIMATE EVERYONE YOU CAN SEE THERE SHADED IN BLUE IS THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE AS DREW INDICATED.THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR A LARGER SCALE COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH WE'RE NOT PROPOSING.
BUT I DO WANNA NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG CAMP ROAD INCLUDING SOME INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SMALL UPSCALE, NICE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT MORE IN A SECOND.
I WANNA WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO AS I INDICATED, WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CARMINA WOOD MORRIS DID PREPARE AND SUBMIT FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS ON OCTOBER 22ND, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT DREW JUST PREVIOUSLY INDICATED.
THE BUILDING IS MUCH SMALLER THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A TWO BAY BUILDING WITH 2,244 SQUARE FEET.
THAT DOES INCLUDE TWO CAR WASH BAYS IN THE UTILITY ROOM DURING THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHILE IT IS A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL STANDALONE COMMERCIAL CAR WASH IN THAT IT'S NOT A TUNNEL CAR WASH.
IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY ACCESSORY USES, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIRS, CONVENIENCE STORE GAS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND WE ARE SHOWING SIX PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH VACUUMS. ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP TWO WEEKS AGO WAS THE FACT THAT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE PULLS INTO THE SITE INADVERTENTLY AND REALIZES THEY DON'T WANT A CAR WASH? YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE PLAN THAT WE DO HAVE A BYPASS LANE THAT'S BUILT IN FOR THAT SCENARIO.
WE HOPE THAT WON'T OCCUR VERY OFTEN, BUT IF IT DOES, YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THE STACKING LANES AND THEN YOU CAN JUST CUT ACROSS AND BACK OUT.
UH, THAT WILL HELP IN TWO FRONT, TWO, TWO RESPECTS.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S BETTER FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THEN NUMBER TWO ALSO DOES PROVIDE SOMEONE WHO INADVERTENTLY TURNS ONTO FRANKLIN STREET, WHICH BECOMES PRIVATE AS IT HEADS BACK THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN AROUND SAFELY.
WE HAVE SHOWN A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA ON SITE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE BACK, THAT THE RUNOFF AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THAT SYSTEM WILL BE CONVEYED INTO CAMP ROAD.
ANTHONY AND THE CARINA WOOD MORRIS TEAM WILL BE WORKING WITH DOT.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY OTHER ISSUES ON THAT.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PURSUANT TO THE STATE, OOPS, GO AHEAD JOHN.
BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR, CAN YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE TURNAROUND.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS REVISED SITE PLAN SHOWS SOME ARROWS AT THE TURN-IN OFF FRANKLIN STREET THAT IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY WOULD NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE OVERFLOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE ENGINEER YOU HAVE WITH YOU CAN ATTEST, IS THERE SUFFICIENT TURNING RADIUS THAT SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A U-TURN WITHOUT HAVING TO PULL IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT THOSE ARROWS ARE INDICATING? NO.
SO WHAT THOSE ARROWS ARE INDICATING, ANTHONY CAN CHIME IN, BUT THAT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ENTRANCE LANE AND THE EXIT LANE.
WHILE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A THREE POINT TURN AND TURN AROUND, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE EASIER JUST TO GO AROUND THE STACKING LANE AND BACK OUT THROUGH THAT BYPASS LANE.
ANTHONY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADD ON THAT.
IT'S JUST CONFUSING 'CAUSE THEY LOOK CONNECTED NOW AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME.
YEAH, NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A NOTE TO THE UNDERLYING SYMBOL OF WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S ALL I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S ACTUALLY JUST STANDALONE ARROW, SO IT'S JUST A NOTE.
OH YES, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A DETAILED NOTE CALLING OUT, UH, THE, THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
SO IT'LL LITERALLY JUST BE AN IN ARROW AND AN EXIT ARROW THERE THAT, THAT CIRCLE THING IS JUST A REFERENCE TO A NOTE.
AND THEN FINALLY ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE DID SUBMIT THE SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
AND BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET, IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
ALL THAT MEANS IS WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A SECRET DETERMINATION IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY TAKING THAT SITE PLAN LAID INTO A COLORED AERIAL OVERVIEW.
UH, ONE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND, IS THAT A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH MUST BE LOCATED 200 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
AS YOU RECALL, WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS TO YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
WE WERE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT.
UH, ANTHONY AND HIS TEAM MODIFIED THE LAYOUT, SO WE ARE NOW SHOWING APPROXIMATELY 205 FEET.
THAT'S THE YELLOW ARROW CONNECTING THE BUILDING AND THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP LAST MEETING AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG HAD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT.
I BELIEVE THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH SARAH GOT THE EMAIL AFTER THE DEADLINE FOR LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SARAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN.
YES, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I, I EMAILED JASON KAZA THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATOR AND ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND HE SAID THEY DO NOT AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROJECT AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET,
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I'LL GET, THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP ON YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.SO AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, WHILE WE HAD A REDUCED SIZE COPY OF THIS, IT WAS A LIVE MEETING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A FULL-SIZED COPY ON A PRESENTATION BOARD, SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW IT TO YOU.
AGAIN, THIS IS A COLORED BUILDING RENDERING PREPARED BY SUTTON ARCHITECTURE.
YOU CAN SEE AN EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO REALLY DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES BEHIND US.
THIS WE'LL HAVE AN UPSCALE LOOK.
AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN MANY HOMES, APPROXIMATELY 2,244 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT IS A LOW INTENSITY SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AN EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE REPRESENTATION THAT THE BUILDING WILL RESEMBLE THIS COLOR RENDERING.
NEXT, SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION, SEAN.
ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, ARE THERE ALSO GONNA BE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, UH, DOORS ON THE TWO BAYS WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT THAT WOULD LIFT UP WHEN SOMEBODY COMES OUT ON THE BACKSIDE, ARE THERE ALSO DOORS ON THE BAYS OR, OR ARE THEY OPEN? HOW DOES THAT LOOK ON THE BACKSIDE? NO, THAT NO, NO SAY THEY, SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOORS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, CAITLYN, IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE GONNA BE NOISE GENERATING OUT TO THE THE BACK? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE DOOR WILL OPEN, YOUR VEHICLE GOES IN THE DOOR CLOSES, SO WHILE YOUR CAR'S BEING WASHED, THE BACK DOORS WILL NOT BE OPEN.
YOU KNOW, UNLIKE SOME OTHER CAR WASHES WHERE IT'S THOSE PLASTIC RUBBER STRIPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A DOOR.
SO I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES THAT QUESTION.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S APPROPRIATE VENTILATION IN THE BUILDING OR EXHAUSTS IF THERE'S RUNNING VEHICLES INSIDE THE ENCLOSED BUILDING.
YEAH, SO ALL THIS IS, ALL THIS EQUIPMENT AS YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE, COSTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND IS PURCHASED FROM A SPECIALIZED MANUFACTURER.
AND YES, ALL THE REQUIRED EMISSIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S REQUIRED PER THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR ACTUAL INTERIOR OF CAR WASH WILL BE SATISFIED.
WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO THIS IS A COPY OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, WE JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SCREENING ALONG THE REAR OF THE SITE.
WE'RE SHOWING A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THAT COMMON BOUNDARY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING EIGHT COLORADO BLUE SPRUCE TREES.
THEY'LL HAVE A PLANNING HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY SIX TO SEVEN FEET.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT SITE.
BUT WE ARE EMPHASIZING PROVIDING AS EFFECTIVE SCREENING AS POSSIBLE ALONG THE BACK OF THE SITE.
IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT EMISSIONS, I DO WANT TO NOTE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY.
UNLIKE A TUNNEL CAR WASH, IF YOU'RE COMING HERE, YOU BASICALLY KNOW YOUR CAR WASH IS GONNA TAKE MORE OR LESS FIVE MINUTES.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF STACKING.
UH, WE HAVE ADEQUATE STACKING SPACES.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IF YOU'RE THE FOURTH CAR, YOU'RE BASICALLY AGREEING THAT YOU'RE GONNA WAIT APPROXIMATELY 20 MINUTES.
WE DON'T FIND IN TERMS OF THESE TYPES OF CAR WASHES THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
SO WHILE THERE WILL BE VEHICLES ON SITE, THERE WILL BE A RELATIVELY LOW GENERATOR REMISSIONS COMPARED TO ALMOST ANY OTHER USE ALLOWED IN THAT C TWO DISTRICT.
AND BY PROVIDING THAT SIX FOOT FENCE AND THEN DENSE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS IN THE REAR OF THE SITE, THAT WILL ALSO HELP IN TERMS OF REDUCING ANY EMISSION LEVELS THAT MAY GO ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SO WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENTED A COPY OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN'S DONE BY ANTHONY'S TEAM.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS LOW LEVEL LIGHTING.
UH, THE LIGHT STANDARDS WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 15 FEET.
ALL OF THEM WILL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND THIS PLAN VERIFIES THERE'LL BE ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHTING SPILLOVER ONTO ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WHETHER THERE'S OLD RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
UM, SEAN, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT ON THE LIGHTING.
THE OTHER THING WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS THAT THE LIGHTING IN THE BUILDING, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN OTHER CAR WASHES WITH NEON LIGHTS INSIDE THE BUILDING SHINING OUT WHENEVER.
WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT SORT OF LIGHTING WITHIN THE BUILDINGS.
YEAH, I THINK YEAH, TYLER AND RANDY ARE ON THE PHONE AND I THINK THEY CAN, EITHER OF THEM CAN CONFIRM THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE FILLED WITH INTERIOR NEON LIGHTING THAT MIGHT BE VIEWED OBJECTIONABLE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THE LIGHT SANDERS ARE FINE, BUT I DON'T WANT THE BUILDING LIT UP FROM THE INSIDE, WHICH WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER CAR WASHES.
IF I COULD JUST TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, SO THE MACHINE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, PRETTY MUCH EVERY CAR WASH MACHINE COMES EQUIPPED WITH LED LIGHTS.
I KNOW THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE, UH, CAR WASH.
UM, I THINK LIKE THE CLASSY CHASSIS
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OR THE ROYAL WITH LIKE THE SUPER EXCESSIVE LED LIGHTING, WE AREN'T GONNA HAVE THAT.WE WON'T HAVE ANY EXTERIOR LIKE EXTERIOR UH, LED LIGHTS JUST ON THE MACHINE.
JUST, UH, GIVE LIKE A GOOD, UH, CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
IT WON'T BE DISTRACTING TO, TO PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK, I THINK THE LIGHTING, WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THE LIGHTING LEVELS AREN'T, I MEAN HERE YOU'RE DOING THESE NI NICE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE SHIELDED LIGHTS OUTSIDE.
WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDING GLOWING.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THE CAR WASH DREW THAT YOU COMPARED IT TO LAST TIME IS THERE'S A RELATIVELY NEW CAR WASH BUILT ON MAIN AND YOUNG'S WHERE THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE ALONG MAIN STREET IS ALL GLASS AND THERE'S SOME PRETTY BRIGHT NEON LIGHTING.
THIS, THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE HERE.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT A HALF MILE AWAY.
YOU'D HAVE TO BE AT THE AIRPORT.
YOU'D HAVE TO BE, YOU'D BE AT, YOU'D BE AT THE AIRPORT
SO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES OF INFORMATION THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR WAS A TRIP GENERATION ASSESSMENT LETTER.
WE DID RECEIVE THAT FROM STEVE ANTE, A REPUTABLE TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM SRF ASSOCIATES IN ROCHESTER.
I DO WANT TO NOTE IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT, IT'S RELATIVELY LOW, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO WHAT ELSE COULD BE THERE.
AND THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS ARE DURING THAT WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR, SIX VEHICLES ENTERING IN, FIVE VEHICLES EXITING, THAT'S OVER A ONE HOUR PERIOD.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CAR WASHES TEND TO BE BUSIER ON SATURDAYS.
THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK GENERALLY ISN'T, THE MAXIMUM WILL BE 15 ENTERING AND 16 EXITING.
AND AGAIN, PART OF THAT REFLECTS THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A TUNNEL CAR WASH.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAIT 25, 30, 35 MINUTES TO GET YOUR CAR WASHED.
WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO GET TRAFFIC COUNTS.
SRF ASSOCIATES DID OBTAIN DATA ON THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC COUNTS FROM DOT FROM 2018, APPROXIMATELY A HALF MILE SOUTH OF THE SITE, A HUNDRED FEET NORTH OF PROSPECT AVENUE.
AND THE AVERAGE DAILY COUNT ON CAMP ROAD IS 14,795 VEHICLES.
THE PEAK NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC IS AT 7:00 AM AND THREE TO 4:00 PM TO 851 VEHICLES, 538 VEHICLES RESPECTIVELY.
AND THEN PEAK SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC IS 8:00 AM TO 9:00 AM WEEKDAYS 5:00 PM 6:00 PM WEEKDAYS AT 313 TRIPS AND 834 TRIPS RESPECTIVELY.
SO IF YOU COMPARE WHAT WE'RE GENERATING TO THOSE OVERALL NUMBERS ON THAT ROADWAY, IT'S A VERY MINOR, MINOR, MINOR, MINOR INCREMENTAL INCREASE TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS FROM THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US DID ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING PREVIOUSLY HELD BY THIS BOARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SPECIFICALLY ON BEHALF OF THE FRANKLIN PARKS ASSOCIATION.
I DO WANNA NOTE THEY HAD SOME COMMENTS.
WE DID FORTUNATELY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO SEVERAL OF THOSE RESIDENTS AFTER THE MEETING, SHOW THEM THE PLANS IN MORE DETAIL.
I JUST WANNA EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING THAT THEY TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY.
WE ALSO ASSURED THEM THAT NOT ONLY IN CONNECTION WITH CONSTRUCTION, BUT LONG-TERM OPERATIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THAT IT WILL BE LOCALLY OWNED, LOCALLY MANAGED BY TYLER AND RANDY.
AND TO THE EXTENT QUESTIONS COME UP, WHILE IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I'VE INDICATED BEFORE IS QUITE NICE.
I WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY RAISED IN A PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THAT ON OCTOBER 22ND.
UH, NUMBER ONE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT ARE WE COMPLYING WITH SETBACKS AND STANDARDS? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
AGAIN, I'VE NOTED IT'S A STANDALONE TWO BAY CAR WASH ONLY NUMBER OF STACKING SPACES ON SITE.
MORE THAN ADEQUATE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO TRAFFIC IS BACKING UP INTO THE STREET OR CAMP ROAD.
SO WE'VE NOTED THAT, UH, WE DO PROVIDE THAT ONSITE BYPASS LANE.
WE PRESENTED THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN UPSCALE APPEARANCE IN TERMS OF NOISE IMPACTS.
I WANNA REITERATE THE FACT UNLIKE OLDER CAR WASHES IN WEST NEW YORK, ALL THE VACUUM MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE LOCATED INSIDE.
SO THAT'LL MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN ANY OFFSITE NOISE IMPACTS.
UM, AS KATE INDICATED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE FRONT ENTRANCE, THOSE DOORS WILL FACE THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
THEY OPEN AND THEY CLOSE, MEANING WHEN A CAR IS GETTING WASHED, THOSE DOORS WILL BE CLOSED.
WE DID INDICATE WE'D INSTALL SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO BE MUTUALLY AGREED TO, TO DISCOURAGE USE OF THE PRIVATE ROADWAY TO THE REAR.
THAT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
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SNOW STORAGE.AND THEN FINALLY THE CAR WASH ITSELF DOES INCORPORATE SAFETY FEATURES, MEANING IF TRAFFIC STARTS TO BACK UP COMING OUT OF THE CAR WASH IT AUTOMATICALLY STOPS, ALLOWS THAT TRAFFIC TO CLEAR BEFORE IT REOPENS FOR CUSTOMERS.
SO MODERN CAR WASHES THANKFULLY HAVE THAT SAFETY, THOSE SAFETY FEATURES THAT PREVENT THOSE TYPES OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.
WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? CAN I ASK A QUESTION, UH, SEAN WHILE WE WAITING? OH, SLIDE.
FEEL FREE AS I GO TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO THIS COMES BACK TO THE DRIVEWAY AND I THINK THIS TIES TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE USING UM, FRANKLIN STREET.
I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADJUST OR ANGLE THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW UM, THERE'S LIKE THE V CURB CUTS WITH THE NOTCH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN ONLY TURN OUT RIGHT ONTO FRANKLIN STREET, UM, OR, OR OTHERWISE ANGLE IT AS WELL AS PUT SOME SIGNAGE THERE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S, IT'S FEASIBLE IN ANY WAY TO ADJUST THAT AREA WHERE SOMEBODY COULD MAYBE DO A THREE POINT TURN TO MAKE IT, UH, BETTER ACCOMMODATING OF SOMEBODY JUST ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE A U-TURN TO, TO GET BACK OUT AGAIN.
UM, RATHER THAN GET STUCK STACKING, I JUST KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SENSITIVITY ON FRANKLIN STREET.
SO IN TERMS OF THE SECOND COMMENT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THE BYPASS LANE RATHER THAN HAVE VEHICLES TRY TO MAKE A THREE POINT TURN RIGHT AS THEY COME IN ON FRANKLIN STREET.
I THINK WE PROVIDED THAT IN TERMS OF RECONFIGURING THE EXITING LANE TO ENCOURAGE VEHICLES TO TAKE A RIGHT.
ANTHONY OR TYLER, I'LL LET YOU CHIME IN, BUT IT THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.
I THINK, UM, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS RATHER THAN THE EXIT ON THE FRANKLIN BEING A STRAY ARROW, WE CAN MAKE THAT A, UM, A RIGHT TURN ONLY ARROW.
UM, AND MAYBE PUT EVEN PUT UP A SIGN FOR RIGHT TURN ONLY, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO RIGHT BACK TOWARDS CAMP ROAD.
BUT WOULD THERE, ANTHONY, WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY TO PHYSICALLY MODIFY THE ACTUAL CURB CUT SO
UM, I MEAN WE COULD, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD DO SOMETHING.
WE COULD LOOK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
GIVEN THAT IT'S A, GIVEN THAT IT'S A LOCAL STREET THAT'S ONLY A SMALL SEGMENT OF PUBLIC, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE FEASIBLE HERE.
AND AND I I ALSO DO WANNA POINT OUT TO THE FIRST COMMENTS.
UM, WE DO HAVE THAT BYPASS LANE, BUT UM, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE, IF SOMEONE DID PULL RIGHT IN AND IMMEDIATELY CHANGED THEIR MIND, THERE SHOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO PULL A QUICK U-TURN IN FRONT OF THE, UH, DOCTOR THERE AND BE ABLE TO EXIT RIGHT AWAY.
THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE FOR A, FOR A CAR TO TURN AROUND REAL QUICK, I GUESS, ASSUMING THAT THEY THEY DO SO, YOU KNOW, BEING AWARE OF THEIR SURROUNDINGS AND WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANNA HAVE ANY ACCIDENTS ON THE SITE, BUT I THINK MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT, UM, SAY SOMEBODY DOESN'T REALIZE HOW LONG THEY MAY BE WAITING AND YOU END UP WITH CARS STACKED BEHIND THE BYPASS UHHUH.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE CARS STACKED, REALIZE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TO EVEN BE ABLE TO USE THE BYPASS AND THEN WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS POTENTIALLY UNSAFE OR CROWDED OR OTHERWISE THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY A SPACE OR TWO FOR THE, FOR CAR LIKE CARS BEFORE YOU'D BE BLOCKING THE BYPASS.
UH, SO DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE DUMPSTER CORRAL, THERE'S A, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE RIGHT THERE FOR, UM, MORE THAN ENOUGH TO MAKE A THREE POINT TURN AND THE, UH, PLOW TURNAROUND RIGHT BEFORE THE ENTRANCE OF THE FRANKLIN PARK COMMUNITY.
I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT STRIPED SPACING THERE ON IN THE CORNERS? UM, NO, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES TO THE SITE PLAN.
YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK, YEAH, IF YOU JUST GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, EVEN THE LIGHTNING PLAN OR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WE CAN ACTUALLY ILLUSTRATE IT.
SO, UM, THERE YOU GO DIRECTLY THERE IN THE MIDDLE, SEE, UH, RIGHT PEST THE, UM, ENTRANCE ARROW THAT IS A PRETTY LARGE SPACE RIGHT THERE AND IT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND PRETTY MUCH ANY SIZE VEHICLE THAT YOU NEED.
UM, QUESTION NOW WHEN SOMEBODY COMES OUT OF THE FRANKLIN STREET OR LEAVING THE CAR OFF, THEY MAKE A, BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, YOU'RE ONLY GOING IN FRANKLIN, YOU EXIT FRANKLIN, CORRECT? YEP.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE THE RIGHT TURN GOING NORTH DOWN CAMP ROAD
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ABOUT MAYBE A FOOTBALL FIELD, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THERE'S A LIGHT.WAS IT, WAS ANY, WAS ANY PART OF THE STUDY DONE WHERE THOSE CARS ARE WAITING FOR THAT LIGHT TO CHANGE BECAUSE I WAS NEXT DOOR IN THE BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND MAKING A RIGHT AND TURN, THERE WAS CARS COMING FROM THAT LIGHT THAT WERE WAITING FOR THE LIGHT TO CHANGE.
WAS THAT CONSIDERED IN PART OF THAT STUDY? UM, I THINK THAT, UH, CHAW WOULD'VE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS.
UM, I KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T TRIGGER A, A, A, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY.
I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND I HAPPENED TO GO TO THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR AND I WANTED TO SEE EXITING, MAKING LEFT TURNS RIGHT TURNS HOW LONG I HAD TO WAIT.
THERE'S A LIGHT VISION DRIVE IS LIKE NORTH TO WHERE THE CAR WAS WOULD BE AND THERE'S A LIGHT THERE AND CARS WERE WAITING FOR THAT LIGHT TO CHANGE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS, I DUNNO IF THEY WOULD GO AS FAR BACK TO WHERE THE FRANKLIN STREET
I ACTUALLY DID RELAY THAT THOUGHT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS VOICED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING TO DAVID CRUZ, ONE OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AT
AND HIS OPINION WAS, WELL THE FACT THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT WILL CREATE SOME GAPS FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE EXITING ONTO CAMP ROAD.
AS TYLER INDICATED IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ITSELF, THIS WAS NOT A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE THRESHOLDS THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR THAT.
BUT HE THOUGHT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SIGNAL IN RELATIVE CLOSE PROXIMITY, THAT'S A GOOD THING IN TERMS OF MANAGING TRAFFIC COMING OFF THE SITE ONTO CAMP ROAD.
SO I HOPE WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE TWO QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD ASK IS IN TERMS OF THAT ACCESS ONTO FRANKLIN STREET IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, POSSIBLY SOME PHYSICAL RECONFIGURATION.
LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL REPORT BACK, UM, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO TO SLIDE, I BELIEVE IT'S SLIDE 11.
SEAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SEAN? SEAN, CAN I HOP IN AND ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? THANKS.
MATT, I WAS JUST, UH, THANK YOU.
I WAS, I WAS ON FRANKLIN STREET HERE ON UH, STREET VIEW.
LOOKING AT THIS, UH, AS YOU'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH, UH, THAT ISSUE AND A QUESTION POPPED IN MY MIND, JUST 'CAUSE I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THIS LOT.
UH, THERE'S SOME FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL TREES TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT, UH, THAT LOOKS MAYBE THERE'S THREE OF 'EM, 50 TO 60 FEET.
I CAN'T TELL THE DBH, BUT ARE YOU GONNA REMOVE THOSE TREES, SEAN? I DON'T THINK THOSE TREES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
YEAH, I DON'T, THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE WENT AND CHECKED THEM OUT.
WE WERE CONSIDERING KEEPING ALL OF THEM, BUT WE DECIDED TO REPLACE 'EM.
THEY WERE LIKE, THEY'RE IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE AND UH, BUT HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF FALLING ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL OVER THERE.
SO WE THOUGHT WE'D JUST GET RID, HAD ANY ISSUES LIKE THAT.
AND THEN SEAN, JUST AS A, A FOLLOW UP, UH, EARLIER YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THAT YOU WERE APPROACHING THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT, IT KIND OF TOOK ME ABACK.
'CAUSE DOESN'T THE 4,000 FOOT HAVE TO ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH LOCAL LAND USE CONTROLS? YEAH, WHICH IT IS.
IT'S PROPERLY, IT'S PROPERLY ZONED AND YOU CAN'T BE SEEKING A USE VARIANCE IS WHAT THE ACTUAL CRITERIA APPLIES, SAYS, AND SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOT BEING A RADIO.
I GUESS I, THE CONSISTENT WITH LOCAL LAND USE CONTROLS, I'M MORE IN THINKING ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK, I, I THINK I LOOKED AT THAT TOPIC ONCE BEFORE AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE FOURTH EDITION OF THE DEC HANDBOOK.
FOR ONE OF THE PREVIOUS EDITIONS.
I THINK IT SAYS IT DOES INCLUDE WHETHER YOU NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, MEANING YOU CAN NEED SPECIAL USE, PERMANENT STILL TYPE TWO ACTION.
SORRY, I'M LATE TO GATE SO I'M CATCHING UP HERE.
I APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'RE SEEKING A BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE SEEKING A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHICH OF COURSE WE'RE NOT, THEN IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THIS TYPE TWO CATEGORY.
SO NEXT I WANNA ADDRESS QUICKLY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA THEMSELVES, AND I'M GOING A LITTLE BIT REVERSE ORDER.
SO SECTION 2 83 12 B ACTUALLY HAS THREE VERY SPECIFIC, OR ACTUALLY HAS THREE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT APPLY ONLY TO COMMERCIAL CAR WASHES.
FIRST ONE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR 500 FEET OF ANOTHER SUCH COMMERCIAL CAR WASH FACILITY.
AS WE INDICATED, WHILE OUR ORIGINAL PLAN DID NOT COMPLY, OUR CURRENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH THAT REQUIRED 200 FOOT SETBACK CRITERIA B PERTAINS TO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
I THINK WE'VE SHOWN YOU THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS.
AND AGAIN, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS RELATIVELY SMALL CRITERIA C IS VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD SHALL BE MINIMIZED THROUGH PROPER SIDING,
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SETBACKS, EXISTING TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURES, BI AND LANDSCAPING.WE ARE SHOWING LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE WITH AN EMPHASIS TO PROVIDE SCREENING ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK IN, IN CONNECTION WITH THESE THREE SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL CAR WASH CRITERIA, UH, WE'VE ADDRESSED EACH OF THOSE THREE.
I ALSO WOULD NOTE THAT WE DID ADDRESS THESE WITHIN THE NARRATIVE IN OUR APPLICATION ITSELF.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE FOUR GENERAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA THAT APPLY TO ANY PROJECT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT'S SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 12 B OF THE CODE.
FIRST CRITERIA IS WHETHER THE USE WILL BE IN HARMONY, THE GENERAL PURPOSES AND INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A RELATIVELY BROAD STANDARD.
I WOULD EMPHASIZE AGAIN, SMALL SCALE, LOW INTENSITY COM CAR WASH UPSCALE ARCHITECTURE.
CRITERIA NUMBER TWO WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH SAFETY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE.
I THINK WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THAT CRITERIA AS WELL.
THE POINT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT ADMISSIONS IS NOTED, BUT UNLIKE YOUR TYPICAL TUNNEL CAR WASH, THERE'S SIMPLY NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF VEHICLES STACKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THAT MAY HAPPEN ONCE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE WOULD WAIT 25 MINUTES TO GET THEIR CAR WASH ON A RANDOM THURSDAY EVENING.
IN TERMS OF CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, WHETHER OR NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS THEREOF, WE THINK IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, NOTING THAT IT IS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT CRITERIA.
AS I INDICATED, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WILL CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD.
IF HAD NOT BEEN THE DAYS OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, WE WOULD'VE HAD AN ACTUAL IN-PERSON INFORMATIONAL MEETING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT'S VERY CHALLENGING OR ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
I WOULD NOTE THAT WE, CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CON CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
AGAIN, FAIRLY GENERAL STANDARD, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL TECHNICAL STANDARDS THAT WILL BE VERIFIED BY THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS BY THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO YOU BEING IN A POSITION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, THAT DOCUMENTATION WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 22ND, AND I THINK CAMMIE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED YOU WITH A MEMO SAYING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE IN TERMS OF ALL TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
SO WE DO THINK THAT WE'RE MEETING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA.
WHAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SCHEDULING A DECISION DATE, BOTH ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE COUPLE TOPICS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO FOLLOW UP ON, NAMELY THAT DRIVEWAY ONTO FRANKLIN.
WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT AND PRESENT ANY UPDATES TO THE PLA UPDATES TO THE PLAN.
UM, WELL IN ADVANCE OF YOUR NEXT MEETING, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, EITHER MYSELF, TYLER, RANDY OR ANTHONY WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.
ALRIGHT, SO DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD? I ALREADY DID.
I ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I WOULD JUST REITERATE ANY LOOKING AT THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR OF A BETTER TURNAROUND, JUST GIVEN HOW CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE THE CUTOUT IS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
I THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY OTHER MAJOR COMMENT.
I AGREE WITH CAITLYN, MY MAJOR.
SORRY, I I AGREE WITH CAITLYN.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS CAN EVERYBODY MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING YOU'RE MUTED, PLEASE.
I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC TURNING OUTSIDE THERE.
WE LOST YOU FOR A MINUTE THERE, MEGAN.
I THINK IT'S GLITCHY FROM, I'M SHARING MY SCREEN.
UM, THE TRAFFIC, I HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE THE FARMER'S MARKET JUST MOVED TO THAT LOCATION ON LAKE AND, UH, CHURCH.
AND SO THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL.
THE FARMER TWICE AT THEIR LOCATION, WHICH MAKES THOSE SATURDAY NUMBERS NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT A TRUE SATURDAY TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA BE ON THAT AREA.
SO I'M JUST CONCERNED OF PEOPLE PULLING OUT OF THERE AND TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.
ACTUALLY, WHEN IT'S THE AREA WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO THE TRAFFIC GOING FROM ONE LANE TO
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TWO, IT'S, IT BECOMES VERY DENSE AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BREAK IN THE TRAFFIC UNTIL THEY GET TIME TO SPREAD OUT.THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC AND THE PURE SAFETY OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE THE LEFT COMING OUT OF THAT CAR WASH.
IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL WAIT TO MAKE THE LEFT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR YOU? ALL RIGHT.
BOB, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OH, YOU CAN HEAR ME.
YEAH, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS ONE.
UM, PROBABLY AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE HAVING A RESOLUTION PREPARED AND, AND MAKING A VOTE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.
DREW DID SEND AROUND, AND IT WAS IN THAT SLIDE, THE TOWN'S CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY REVIEWS THAT BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.
AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT ANGLING THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, WE COULD MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A CONDITION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA DO, WE WANT THEM TO DO, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE RESOLUTION.
I CAN JUST TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK.
SO WE, UM, I WAS JUST PUTTING SOME THOUGHT TOWARDS THAT AND, UM, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, BUT THE PART ABOUT IT IS THAT IF WE HAD CUSTOMERS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD JUST MAKE THEM TURNING DOWN INTO THEIR STREET HARDER FOR THEM.
I THINK BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD, I THINK, PREFER THAT INCONVENIENCE RATHER THAN THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER TRAFFIC.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GET TO YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING IS IF, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST INCLUDE TYPICALS OF ANY SIGNAGE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ABOUT, UH, TURNING, UM, OUT, UH, AT ANY OF THE ENTRANCES, UH, IN ANY POTENTIAL SIGNAGE YOU MAY HAVE DETERRING OTHER USE ON, ON FRANKLIN.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT AND WE'LL ACTUALLY PROVIDE THAT IN A, IN A WRITTEN SUBMISSION.
WE'LL ALSO ADDRESS THE TOPIC OF THE CURB CUT ITSELF IN WRITING PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT MEETING, THE FRIDAY DEADLINE.
SO YOU'RE ASKING SARAH AND I TO PREPARE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
THE PLANNING BOARD WILL WALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT THEY'RE MEETING THOSE CRITERIA.
AND THEN REMEMBER, KEEP IN MIND, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ANY CONDITIONS YOU WANNA PLACE ON THAT SPECIALS USE PERMIT.
AND I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONDITIONS AS, AS I TALKED ABOUT THE ANGLING OF THE, THAT ENTRYWAY, UM, ALSO A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED IN RESPONSE TO THE PETITION AS FAR AS SNOW BEING STORED ON SITE, THE, THE NO LE THE NO TURN SIGNAGE, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE CONDITIONS, RIGHT.
BILL? THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THOSE IS THOSE ARE SITE PLAN CONDITIONS.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY THESE PERMIT KIDS AREN'T GONNA RUN WITH THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL UNLESS THEY DO THOSE THINGS.
SO YOU CAN MAKE THOSE CONDITIONS OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IF THEY'RE PHYSICAL THINGS, IF THEY'RE NOT PHYSICAL THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED, THEN THEY CAN BE CONDITIONED.
SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE CONDITIONS OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT, UH, THAT IF THEY AGREE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESTRICTIONS HAVING TO DO WITH THE SITE PLAN.
SO WE'LL WORK THOSE OUT AND WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, DREW, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE CALLING USER FOUR OR SIX? BECAUSE IT'S GOT BOTH OF 'EM GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WHOEVER CALLING USER NUMBER SIX IS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE MUTE YOUR MIC THERE.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE TYLER SCHMITZ TO DECEMBER 16TH.
A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MRS. ERFORD.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS
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BUFFALO MULTI-FIT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL USE AT THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 1 1 0 ST.WE ALREADY SAID WE WERE GONNA SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 16TH.
THE BIG REASON WE DIDN'T SCHEDULE FOR TODAY IS 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF TODAY'S MEETING WAS GONNA BE VIRTUAL LIKE IT IS NOW, OR IF IT WAS GONNA BE IN PERSON LIKE IT WAS AT OUR LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY INFORMATION WE WANTED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS INFORMATION ON THE PARKING LOT, AND WE DID GET A LETTER ABOUT THAT.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK WE NEED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 16TH? THIS ONE HAS NO EXTERIOR CHANGES, RIGHT? THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO THIS MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REALLY WEIGH IN ON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT HAD STARTED WORKING ON THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE BECAUSE THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOUR CLOSE PROXIMITY OF SCHOOLS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS GONNA AFFECT THINGS.
YES, WE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON IT WITH OUR ATTORNEY.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, GUYS, THAT'S WHY I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING A WAIVER NOW.
IT WOULD BE
IF WE ACTUALLY DID AN APPROVAL AND HAD AN APPROVAL ON RECORD OF, OF THIS PROJECT, IT WILL HELP THEM WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE.
SO I WOULD NOT DO THE WAIVER LIKE WE DID FOR THAT OTHER ONE.
I WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DO AN OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF IT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I, I THINK WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE PARKING LOT, UH, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS MEETING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
BILL, UM, BILL, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT YOU ACTUALLY SCHEDULED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 16TH, DID YOU? I THOUGHT WE DID, BUT WE CAN DO IT AGAIN JUST TO BE SURE.
LET'S TOO MUCH YEAH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
AND, AND WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE MINUTES.
UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BUFFALO MULTI OR DECEMBER 16TH, SECOND.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU BACK ON THE 16TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, AND JUST IN CASE, BILL, WE WILL PREPARE RESOLUTIONS TOO.
SARAH AND I WILL PREPARE RESOLUTIONS IN CASE YOU WANNA ACT ON THIS AT THE NEXT, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BROADWAY GROUP, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
NOW, SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE, UH, THE REASON WE DIDN'T SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA BE VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON.
AND WE PLAN ON DOING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE, UH, ON DECEMBER 16TH.
UH, WE DID WANT THEM TO COME BACK SO WE COULD HAVE, AS THE PROJECT THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US AT THE LAST MEETING, HAD THE DRIVEWAY ONTO SOUTHWESTERN.
AND IT APPEARS THAT DOT IS, UH, NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING HAD THE HEALTH DRIVEWAY.
UM, IS THAT AN, AN ADEQUATE SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE? YES, BILL, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I, UM, I KNOW I MENTIONED TO THIS, TO YOU OFFLINE AND I SPOKE WITH DREW ABOUT IT TO GET HIS INPUT, BUT I I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UM, CONSIDER SENDING A LETTER TO THE DOT REGARDLESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 DAYS HOPEFULLY HAVE RESPONDED.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY LOOKS AT IT AND TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE ANGLES.
UM, I KNOW WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK THAT, UM, I, I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR THEIR, THEIR STATEMENT SPECIFICALLY EVALUATING THE SITE ON THE RECORD.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT DEFERS ANYTHING WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT, UM, TODAY WITH OUR REVIEW, THE PART TWO OR WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THAT LETTER IF WE CAN, EVEN IF THE SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD DOESN'T SIGN IT.
UH, DREW, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THE, THE BEST WAYS TO GET THAT INFORMATION THAT KAITLYN WANTS, UM, AND BASICALLY, UH, A, A MORE IN DEPTH TRAFFIC STUDY ABOUT THAT
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INTERSECTION? WELL, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE HERE IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH DOT, THEIR MAX ACCESS MANAGEMENT POLICIES ARE WITH, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CORNER LOTS THAT THE ACCESS GOES ON THE SIDE STREET, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS DONE WITH A, WITH, WITH, UM, SITUATIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE IN THIS SITUATION, YOU MAY BE ACTUALLY CREATING A WORSE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.AND WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BY, BY, BY, BY PUTTING THE TRAFFIC OUT ON HEALTH AND PEOPLE GOING OUT THE HEALTH INTERSECTION, NOW YOU HAVE A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION THERE, YOU HAVE MORE CONFLICT POINTS.
HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD STILL MENTION THE DOT AND WHETHER DOT LOOKS AT IT OR REQUESTS THE APPLICANT THROUGH US TO, TO DO SOME STUDY.
I'M JUST WORRIED THAT A POLICY IS A GOOD POLICY, BUT IT IS IT BASED UPON ACTUAL INFORMATION THAT THIS IS A BETTER SITUATION TO HAVE IT ONTO HEALTH ROAD.
I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN SIT HERE.
ALL WE'RE GOING ON IS A POLICY OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE IT ONTO THE SIDE STREET.
TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT WE HAVE NO PROOF THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A BETTER TRAFFIC SITUATION TO HAVE THAT ENTRANCE ONTO THE SIDE STREET.
THE APPLICANT HAS DONE TWO COMPLETE PLANS.
I KNOW I FEEL BAD FOR ACCESS ON THE HEALTH AND ACCESS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE TECHNICALLY ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY, IS IT A BETTER TRAFFIC SITUATION TO HAVE IT OUT ON HEALTH ON THE SOUTHWESTERN? THERE'S NO TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT'S GONNA LOOK AND TELL YOU THAT ANSWER WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY BETTER TO DO IT THIS WAY.
SO, SO HOW ABOUT WE, I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK GIVEN THE ROADWAY, I THINK I AGREE WITH DREW, GIVEN THE ROADWAY WE'RE WORKING WITH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT EXPERT ADVICE.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY AND LAY OUT A WAY TO GET THAT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT YES, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, HOW ABOUT CAITLIN AND MYSELF AND DREW WILL WORK ON A DIFFERENT LETTER BECAUSE THE, THE LETTER THAT WE ORIGINALLY DRAFTED SAID, PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR DECISION ON SOUTHWESTERN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE WANT IS, IS PARTICULAR TYPES OF INFORMATION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO REDRAFT THE, THE LETTER SAYING, THINK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS OR DO A, OR ASK THEM TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
IS THAT WHAT I'M, IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS? AM I WRONG OR AM I LOST? YEAH, BILL.
AND I THINK WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET THAT LETTER QUICKLY, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A COMPLICATED LETTER.
I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A PHONE CALL TO HIM AND SAY, LOOK, IT'S IMPORTANT GUYS, IF YOU'RE MAKING THIS DECISION ON POLICY AND NOT ON THAT, WE CAN TELL THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A SAFER SITUATION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
WE CAN'T MAKE IT UPON A POLICY OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
WE'VE HAD THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHATEVER.
I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON POLICY.
ARE THEY GONNA STAND AND SEND US A LETTER THAT THIS IS A, IF THEY STAND AND SAY THIS IS A SAFER SITUATION TO HAVE IT GO OUT ON THE HEALTH BASED UPON INFORMATION, THEN WE, I FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO LET'S SIMPLIFY IT EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
SO INSTEAD OF SENDING LETTERS SAYING WE WANT YOU TO RECONSIDER, SEND A LETTER SAYING, WANNA KNOW IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S SAFER OR IF IT'S JUST THE POLICY, AND PLEASE PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION THAT SUPPORTS YOUR DECISION.
BECAUSE WE GOTTA MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
TELL 'EM WE WANT TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISION ON THIS.
IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
I, I CAN'T, I I, I'VE SHOWN THIS TO OTHER TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT AND SAY IT'S SAFER TO GO OUT ON HEALTH OR ON SOUTHWESTERN.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
SO WE'LL DO THAT, BUT STILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC INPUT AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DECISION.
YEAH, I, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE, WE SHOULD DECISION, RIGHT? CAN WE, UH, CAN WE MAKE A, I MEAN, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE YOU, DREW AND I, TO GO AHEAD AND DRAFT AN EMAIL CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND SUBMIT IT? I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT IF WE CAN OUT THIS WEEK.
I DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? YEAH.
IS IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST DID? OH, YES.
I GUESS I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, THE BOARD TO ALLOW BILL DREW AND I TO SEND AN, AN EMAIL OR CORRESPONDENCE TO THE DOT REQUESTING CLARIFICATION.
SECOND MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
WE'LL DO THAT AND WE'LL GET IT OUT QUICKLY, BUT, UH, WE'LL STILL GET THE SCHEDULE EXPEDITE THIS TO EXPEDITE THIS.
I, I'LL HAVE THE DRAFT TOMORROW MORNING AND
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I'LL GET IT TO YOU AND KATE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT TOMORROW IF WE CAN TRY AND GET IT OUT TOMORROW, IF NOT FRIDAY.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO THAT UPDATES THAT, WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE? I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PART TWO OF THE FEAF, CORRECT? YEAH, WE SHOULD DO THAT TODAY ALSO.
SO DREW IN YOUR EMAIL, SO WE, WE GOT THAT, UH, AN ARTICLE FROM A RESIDENT AND, UM, DREW MENTIONED THAT IF, IF WE, AND AND I, I WANTED SOME, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THIS AND IT WOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT ALREADY STARTED, BUT FUTURE PROJECTS, IF WE WANTED TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE FACTORS IDENTIFIED IN THAT ARTICLE, UM, AND I TALKED TO JENNIFER ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY.
I WAS, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SOME OF THOSE FACTORS STATE LAW PREVENTED US FROM CONSIDERING.
SO CAN YOU KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEANT THERE? BASICALLY, I SAID THE, THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO, I THINK THE, THE DOCUMENT THEY FOUND WAS AN ISSUE OF COMPETITION THAT DOLLAR GENERALS PUT OUT SMALL GROSS, PUT SMALL GROCERY STORES OUT OF BUSINESS, ET CETERA.
WELL, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE WE CAN DEAL WITH.
IT'S NOT, PART OF WHAT I SAID IS IF THE PLANNING BOARD THINKS THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, AND WE WOULDN'T PHYSICALLY PICK OUT DOLLAR GENERALS, BUT OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE THAT, THAT THE TOWN WOULD DO RESEARCH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALONG WITH JENNIFER AND OTHERS DO RESEARCH.
WHETHER YOU CAN CONSTRUCT A LAW LIKE THEY'RE SUGGESTING IN THAT ARTICLE IN NEW YORK STATE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE, BUT FOR NOW, THAT WAS A NICE, NICE ARTICLE THAT THE GENTLEMAN SENT.
YOU CAN FIND ANY KIND OF ARTICLES AND WHATEVER ON DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CONSIDER, IT'S NOT IN OUR LAW, IT'S NOT IN THE SECRET LAW.
AND PLUS I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SMALL GROCERY STORE WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT OF BUSINESS IN THAT AREA.
AND PLUS IT'S NOT AN ISSUE WE CAN'T TYPICALLY DEAL WITH ANYWAY.
SO, SO IT'S JUST NOT ISSUE WITH IT.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO, TO, TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAYBE AN AMENDMENT TO LAW FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
IF IT'S LEGAL, I, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE LAWS AND SEE WHERE THEY'RE FROM THAT HE THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THAT ARTICLE AND WHATEVER.
SEE IF THEY EVEN APPLY TO NEW YORK STATE.
REMEMBER STATE LAW IS DIFFERENT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SO, RIGHT.
OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY.
GOOD, BETTER, DIFFERENT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
I, EVEN IF WE WERE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE LAWS, IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY STARTED.
UM, AND IT TAKES SO LONG TO CHANGE THE LAW THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE FUTURE PROJECTS.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD.
UM, ANY OTHER INFORMATION WE THINK WE WOULD NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 16TH? BILL? SARAH? YES, I DID RECEIVE A LENGTHY EMAIL FROM TARA, INCLUDING A LETTER FROM ATTORNEY, UH, CAL CALAMARI AND A LETTER FROM THE BROADWAY GROUP AND A REVI AND A AND A THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU ASKED FOR LAST MEETING, UH, WITH THE ACCESS TO HEALTH.
BUT I RECEIVED IT, UM, THIS WEEK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER LETTER.
THE, THE OTHER EMAIL WE GOT YES.
WHERE WE COPIED ON THE RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENT.
AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE A SCREENSHOT WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, SINCE YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE THE EMAIL I SENT.
UM, OF COURSE, NORMALLY I, I HAVE TRIED TO, UM, BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AND GET SOMETHING TO YOU THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT WITH THE HOLIDAY THIS WEEK, UM, IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING, UM, TO GET EVERYTHING PULLED TOGETHER IN TIME.
SO, UM, I HOPE YOU'LL BE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, BUT I'D BE VERY HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
AND I AM PULLING UP MY SCREEN NOW FOR YOU TO SEE.
CAN YOU SEE THE, UM, THE LAYOUT? YES, YES.
SO, UM, AS WE WERE REFERRING TO, WE, WE DID, UM, MOVE THE DRIVEWAY BACK OVER TO HEALTH ROAD.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE MADE, UM, TAKING, WE'VE CONSTANTLY, UM, BEEN LISTENING TO THE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND FROM THE COMMUNITY TOO.
WE HAVEN'T HAD, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE INVITED COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO REACH
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OUT TO ME PERSONALLY, I'VE ONLY HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME REGARDING THE PROJECT.UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN TAKING ALL OF THIS, UM, TO HEART REALLY.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND FOR THIS LAKEVIEW DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW IN PARTICULAR THE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS HAD SOME, UM, VERY HEARTFELT CONCERN ABOUT THE LOSS OF SOME OF THE MORE MATURE TREES ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, WE DID MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO SAVE MORE OF THOSE.
I COULD TELL WHEN WE HAD THE DRIVEWAY ON, UM, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, YOU ALL WERE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE TREES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE.
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PRESERVE ALL OF THEM.
BUT I DID GO BACK TO MY ENGINEER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE TREES ALONG HE ROAD? AND SO WE SHIFTED THE BUILDING OVER AND OF COURSE THE PARKING AND EVERYTHING, WE WERE ABLE TO SHIFT IT OVER ABOUT SEVEN FEET.
AND I KNOW AT THIS POINT IT PROBABLY FEELS LIKE WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO DIMINISHING RETURNS.
WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EFFORT, UM, AND WE'RE NOT MAYBE PERCEIVING TO BE GETTING A LOT OF, UM, RESULT FOR YOU, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TWEAK ALL THESE LITTLE EDGES, EVERY LITTLE PIECE THAT WE CAN, UM, TO DELIVER SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE AND, AND WE'LL START CHECKING OFF ALL THE BOXES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND SO, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UM, ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S 19 OR SO TREES THAT WE'RE PRESERVING ALONG HEALTHS ROAD, WHEREAS BEFORE WE REALLY WEREN'T ABLE TO, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR, SOME OF OUR STORMWATER, UM, AREA, WE HAD LIKE A BIO RETENTION AREA OVER THERE, WHICH WE STILL HAVE.
BUT UM, IT WAS SITTING WHERE THE TREES ARE AT.
AND SO BY MOVING IT OVER SEVEN FEET AND KIND OF ELONGATING OUR MAIN STORAGE DETENTION, UM, STORMWATER DETENTION POND, WE WERE ABLE TO, TO SAVE SOME OF THOSE TREES.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREES THAT MIGHT BE SIX OR EIGHT INCHES.
UM, SO THAT I THINK, UM, WAS SOMETHING I HOPE YOU'LL FIND FAVORABLE.
WE DID, UM, AND ARE STILL FILLING IN SOME OF THE UNDERSTORY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THE AREA OR MAYBE YOU'VE JUST LOOKED AT GOOGLE'S, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP GOOGLE EARTH, UM, STREET VIEWS, YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF THESE TREES, UM, THEY'RE UH, THEY KIND OF JUST GROW STRAIGHT UP.
THEY'RE NOT VERY FULL BECAUSE THE LOT IS KIND OF, UM, I GUESS BEEN DENSELY.
IT'S LIKE UNDERGROWTH, A LOT OF UNDERGROWTH.
AND SO THE TREES ARE JUST GROWING STRAIGHT UP AND THEN THEY HAVE LIMBS WAY UP AT THE TOP.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT OF COURSE ONE OF THE GOALS OF HAVING THE TREES THERE FROM THE PLANTING BOARD WAS TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING AND BUFFERING.
AND SO WE DID, UM, STILL PROVIDE SOME, UM, SMALLER TREES THAT WE'LL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL PLANT.
AND THEN, UM, THE SHRUBS TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT LOWER, LIKE EYE, MORE EYE LEVEL KIND OF, UM, FOLIAGE AND, UM, SCREENING THAT I THINK WILL MAKE THE STORE LOOK MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FROM STREET VIEW, FROM, FROM WHERE YOUR EYE LEVEL IS AT INSTEAD OF WAY UP INTO THE TREE TOPS.
BUT, UM, THAT IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UM, WITH A, THE LITTLE BIT OF SEVEN FEET THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EEK OUT, WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE, UM, SEVERAL TREES THAT I, I HOPE WILL, WILL MAKE YOU ALL MUCH MORE HAPPY WITH THAT.
UM, WITH THE IDEA OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE, UM, THE RENDERING THAT WE HAD PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS JUST KIND OF A ROUGH SKETCH BASED OFF OF THE PROTOTYPICAL LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE DID GO BACK AND ADD SOME WINDOWS TO THE FACADE AS I HAD PROMISED YOU WE WOULD.
I KNOW WE, IN OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FACADE, THERE WAS KIND OF, UM, DIFFERENT DIFFERING OPINIONS ABOUT DOING ANY SORT OF COLOR BLOCKING.
SOME MEMBERS LIKED IT, SOME PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MAYBE LOOKS A LITTLE BIT TOO COMMERCIAL.
AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS JUST DID A SMALL SECTION IN THE BACK OF BRICK, UM, OF A, THE ENGINEERED BRICK.
WE TOOK IT FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE LOWER LEVEL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF LINE.
AND SO IT GIVES, UH, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKUP ON THE LONG WALL THAT I THINK KIND OF BRINGS IT DOWN TO SCALE AND MAKES IT LOOK MORE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE, THE FACADE ELEMENTS WE DID INCORPORATE.
AND UM, IF YOU WANNA GIMME A SECOND, I CAN ACTUALLY EVEN JUST PULL UP A PICTURE OF THAT TOO AND AND SHARE IT WITH YOU WHILE WE'RE, UM, WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO CHANGE WHAT YOU'RE SHARING 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A GREAT YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.I AM A LIT, NOT QUITE, UM, PROFICIENT AT THIS, UM, SYSTEM, BUT I'M GETTING THERE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE PICTURE NOW? YES.
ARE YOU SEEING THE SIDE SHOT OF THIS BUILDING? IT'S KIND OF AT AN ANGLE, RIGHT? I SEE THE FRONT DOORS AND THEN KIND OF THE SIDE, YOU SEE THE FRONT VIEW.
WE'VE ALSO GOT THIS, WE'VE GOT THAT SIDE VIEW TOO, TARA, YOU DO HAVE IT.
UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW THAT TO YOU, UM, THE SIDE VIEW, BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW THE, UM, LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE BRICK LOOK, THE KIND OF COLOR BLOCKING THAT I WAS, UM, SPEAKING OF.
AND UM, I THINK THAT THE FRONT VIEW, UM, OBVIOUSLY JUST KIND OF SHOWS WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO SHOW HERE IS THE PRESERVATION OF ALL THOSE EXISTING TREES.
UM, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN VISUALIZE THAT FROM THE, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE 2D UM, OH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDSCAPE LAYOUT THAT I SHOWED YOU, AND YOU CAN VISUALIZE THOSE 19 OR SO.
UM, MAYBE IT'S 20 TREES, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE ALONG HEALTH ROAD.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT HAS BEEN HELPFUL INFORMATION FOR YOU TO, FOR YOU TO SEE, UM, THIS EVENING.
UM, OUR ATTORNEY, UM, DID UH, DRAFT A LETTER, UM, IN HOPES THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION PRIOR TO THE, THE MEETING THIS EVENING, UM, BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE IT WOULD HELP GUIDE SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION AS WE WALK THROUGH THE SEEKER REVIEW.
UM, PART TWO AND, UM, UH, IT, UH, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT DID RAISE SOME, UM, COMMENTS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD EARLIER IN, UM, IN OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE OUR NEXT, UM, BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING AND PERHAPS, UM, EVEN BEFORE YOU SUBMIT YOUR LETTER TO, UH, THE DOT.
SO WE, WE DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION THOUGH ON PART TWO OF THE SEEKER.
AND, UM, SO IF YOU, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU WOULD KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD AND LET ME KNOW WHAT THE AREAS WERE THAT YOU THOUGHT, UM, WERE OF GREATER CONCERN OR IF WE TAKE IT THROUGH JUST BULLET PIPE, BULLET POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO TRY TO HELP AND DISCUSS ANY OF THE, THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS YOU HAD ON THAT.
USUALLY WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS, IS DREW OR SARAH ARE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD AND GO BULLET POINT BY BULLET POINT AND UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CHIME IN AS IT GOES.
DREW LIKES TO TALK MORE THAN I DO, SO I'LL LET HIM DO IT.
UM, CAN COME SOME, CAN SOMEONE PULL UP THE PART TWO? I I AM NOT ON MY LITTLE LAPTOP HERE.
IT WOULD TAKE 20, 20 MINUTES FOR IT TO LOAD.
YEAH, JUST GIMME A MINUTE DREW AND I'LL PULL IT UP.
AND YOU KNOW, I CAN GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
IT TELLS ME IT'S SHARING, SO LEMME KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
I, I TRIED MINE BEFORE IT TOOK 20 MINUTES TO LOAD, SO HOPEFULLY IT WON'T TAKE THAT.
I'M SEEING IF I CAN LIKE NO, IT'S, WELL IT'S EMBEDDED IN OTHER THINGS.
I HAVE ALL THE THINGS FROM THE AGENDA, THE NIGHT ON THE ONE THING, SO I'M TRYING TO CLOSE UP ANY, LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED ME TO.
UM, I HAVE JUST THE PDF OPEN IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO OPEN IT.
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IF YOU CAN SHARE THE PDF.I, I'M KIND OF PULL IT UP ON MINE AND I WAS HAVING TROUBLES LAST TIME WE WERE VIRTUAL AND I CAN'T ZOOM.
JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER.
I JUST SHARED THE WHOLE SCREEN.
CAN YOU MAKE IT ANY BIGGER THOUGH FOR US? I SURE CAN T DO THOSE THINGS FOR YOU
WHY, WHY SHE'S PULLING IT UP GUYS.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS JUST BECAUSE REMEMBER IN EAS YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOMETHING AS A SMALL OR NO IMPACT OR MEDIUM TO LARGE.
THE REQUIREMENT IS IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A MEDIUM TO LARGE IMPACT, YOU HAVE TO ANALYZE IT AND SEE IF THAT IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT.
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING'S MEDIUM TO LARGE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SIGNIFICANT AS A CUT BASED ON THIS PROJECT.
SO IT IDENTIFIES THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FURTHER WORK, WHICH WE'VE BEEN DOING TO IDENTIFY THE FACT WHETHER THAT IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT.
200% WAS PROBABLY A BIT MUCH
I'M GOOD WITH THE SIZE BEFORE THAT.
IF ANYBODY ELSE I'LL FOCUS IN ON HELPS THIS FORM, I, I KIND OF KNOW IT PRETTY WELL, BUT THERE, THERE'S THE FIRST PART.
OKAY, IMPACT TO LAND, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT TO LAND.
THERE'S A COUPLE CATEGORIES THAT AUTOMATICALLY COME UP BECAUSE OF WHAT'S IN THE EAF.
YOU HAVE GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS, UM, DEPTH OF WATER TABLE AND UH, BEDROCK,
SORRY DREW, I'M LEAVE TRY TO ANYMORE FOR YOU.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT OR YEAH, I THINK WE'LL GO WITH THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S TWO ONES AT THE TOP THAT ARE CHECKED JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT'S IN THE AF.
YOU HAVE HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOTED IN THERE AND YOU HAVE SOME AREAS OF, OF BEDROCK THAT IS, AND THAT'S IN THE A F SO WE HAVE TO SAY, DOES THIS PROJECT CAUSE AN IMPACT? BECAUSE IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BECAUSE OF THOSE POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACTS? THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, UH, INCREASED EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILDING A BIG STORMWATER POND THAT'S GONNA CONTROL QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
WE HAVE TO DETERMINE, AND AMI WILL HELP US BASICALLY SAY, BASED UPON THE DESIGN, THAT THAT WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT, STOP ME IF THERE'S ANY ONES YOU WANNA TALK MORE ON.
IMPACT ON GEOLOGICAL, UH, FEATURES.
THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT GEOLOGICAL FEATURES IDENTIFIED.
EASY ONE, IMPACT THE SURFACE WATERS.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK DOWN, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU SLIDE DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE, MEGAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SMALL TO MODERATE EXCEPT FOR, AGAIN, RELATED TO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN CAMMIE WILL HELP US TO SAY THAT THIS, WELL, THIS WILL CAUSE EROSION PROBLEMS OR DISCHARGE TO WATERCOURSE UH, UM, DOWNSTREAM WATERCOURSE.
SO THE OTHER ONE I CHECKED, WHICH IS INTERESTING 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL ARGUE WITH ME ON, IS THAT YOU DO HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND IT IS A MOUND BASED SYSTEM AND THE PROPOSED ACTION MAY REQUIRE THE DISCHARGE OF WASTEWATERS THROUGH SURFACE WATERS.
UM, IF A MOUND SYSTEM WORKS CORRECTLY AND HOPEFULLY DESIGNED CORRECTLY, IT WILL, IT WILL NOT DIS IT WILL NOT DISCHARGE TO SURFACE WATERS, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS DESIGNED CORRECTLY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO.
IN NEW YORK STATE, WE SEE SOME BAD, UH, MOUND SYSTEMS WHERE THE PIPES ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE, TO THE DITCHES AND THEY ACTUALLY DISCHARGE TO, TO SURFACE WATERS.
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UH, IMPACT OF GROUNDWATER.THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT GROUNDWATER.
UH, LUCKILY THERE'S PUBLIC WATER HERE IMPACTS THE FLOODING.
WE'RE NOT IN A FLOODWAY OR FLOODPLAIN, SO WE CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.
WE CAN, DREW CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE GROUNDWATER GROUND? UH, YEP.
UH, WHEN YOU, THE WASTEWATER IS PROCESSED IN THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, SO YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR SEWAGE COMING OUT.
THE WHERE DOES IT, IS IT INFILTRATING INTO GROUNDWATER OR SURFACE WATER? WHERE DOES IT GO AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THE SEPTIC? YOU COULD CHECK THAT BOX.
IT SHOULD, YOU COULD CHECK THAT BOX YES.
AND THEN GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA UNDERNEATH.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT ON ME THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE DO HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT PEOPLE HAVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLIES THERE.
WE'RE NOT IN A SIGNIFICANT AQUIFER AREA, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING FINAL DECISIONS TONIGHT, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO GROUNDWATER THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.
BUT, AND FLOODING ONE, IT'S ANSWERED NO, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FLOODPLAINS OR, OR FLOODWAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THIS SITE OR ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU HERE ALL NIGHT.
SO WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, IMPACT ON AIR, UM, UH, INCLUDE A REGULATED AIR EMISSION SOURCE.
THERE ARE NO REGULATED AIR EMISSION SOURCE.
IT'S GONNA BE A STANDARD HVAC SYSTEM.
AND EVEN IF YOU CHECK THAT BOX, YES, IT DOESN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR MEETING ANY OF THE CRITERIA UNDERNEATH.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A REGULATED AIR SOURCE HERE.
UM, IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
THERE ARE NO, THE EAF DOES NOT IDENTIFY ANY, UH, ANY SPECIFIC SIGNIFICANT HABITATS OR SPECIES OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT WE CHECK THE BOX YES, AND YOU'LL SEE LATER ON UNDER THE CRITERIA IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT IT IS A COMPLETELY WOODED SITE.
AND, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE WHY I, I CHECKED THAT AND AGAIN, UM, OOPS.
I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD MOVING THROUGH THIS.
SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS SMALL TO MODERATE.
I CREATED ANOTHER IMPACT JUST FROM THE FACT THAT IT IS A WOODED SITE.
THERE ARE NO PROTECTED SPECIES OR ANYTHING, BUT WE ARE TAKING OUT A, A STAND OF WOODS AND UNDERSTORY OF A, OF A, OF CLOSE TO AN ACRE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'LL SEE IF THAT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T COME UP ON ANY OF THE, THE TOWN'S, UH, OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE PLANS, BUT WE DO HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT IT IS A COMPLETELY WOODED SITE, UM, IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
THIS IS NOT AGRICULTURAL LAND.
SO, AND I DON'T BELIEVE, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT IN AN AG DISTRICT.
IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE NOT, AND I BELIEVE THE AG DISTRICT IS FURTHER TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THIS SITE.
UM, SO WE HAVE IMPACT ON AESTHETIC RESOURCES.
ALWAYS A GREAT QUESTION FOR PEOPLE TO ANSWER.
UM, SOME PEOPLE WOULD ANSWER THIS, NO, UM, BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY, UM, NOTED IMPORTANT AESTHETIC FEATURES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN ANY PLAN OR WHATEVER.
AND IF YOU UNDERSTAND, IT'S THE ISSUE UNDER THE LAST ISSUE, WHICH IS KIND OF THE GENERIC ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, UM, KIND OF LOSS OF TREES AND WHATEVER.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT, IT TYPICALLY YOU COULD, YOU COULD ANSWER THIS.
NO, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THIS IS CHECKED YES, ONLY WHEN THERE'S SPECIFIC STATE, FEDERAL, OR LOCALLY DESIGNATED IMPORTANT AESTHETIC FEATURES, THERE ARE NOTHING IDENTIFIED.
THERE'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT WILL CHANGE THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE BY THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES.
SO AGAIN, WHETHER THAT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IMPACT ON HISTORICAL LOGICAL, I WAS VERY SURPRISED.
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE WHEN THERE, THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL FEATURES.
90% OF WESTERN NEW YORK COMES UP AS ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE.
THE SITE DOES NOT COME UP AS ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE.
AND THERE ARE NO HISTORIC, HISTORIC, UH, STATE DESIGNATED AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ELIGIBLE SITES THAT ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO FIND.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
MATT BOWLING OF OUR OFFICE WOULD HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS THE NEW REQUIREMENT UNDER THE SECRET LAW.
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IMPACT ON OPENS, OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.AGAIN, THIS ONE'S EASY TO ANSWER BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DESIGNATED, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE OPEN SPACE SCREEN SPACE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT RECREATION OR WHATEVER.
AND ANY PLANS ANYWHERE ABOUT THIS? SO THE BOXES CHECKED, NO.
UM, NEXT ONE IS IMPACT ON CEA.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DOES HAVE A CEA.
WE ARE NOT, UH, WITHIN THE CEA OR ADJACENT TO THE CEA.
SO WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION NOW.
IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION AGAIN, BECAUSE OF ALL THE DISCUSSION I HAVE CHECKED THE BOX.
AND THE TWO CATEGORIES ARE, UM, WELL THE ONE, THE LAST ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO GET DOCUMENTATION TO SAY IS THIS MORE A SAFE CONDITION, HAVING, HAVING THE ACCESS ONTO THE SIDE STREET THAN ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE OTHER ONE, JUST THE MOVEMENT OF GOODS AND PEOPLE AND, AND GOODS.
AND IT DOES KIND OF RELATE A LITTLE BIT TO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED.
AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA AT ALL.
AND THERE IS CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WALKING TO THE SITE.
AND BY US PUTTING THIS HERE, PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING FROM THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD AND ACROSS THE STREET THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD ISSUE.
AND EVEN THE DOT SAYS THEY WILL NOT PROMOTE, THEY DON'T WANT TO PRO PROMOTE, PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THERE'S NO APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR IT.
SO A COUPLE ITEMS THERE UNDER TRANSPORTATION.
AND DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THESE ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS? NEXT ONE IS IMPACT ENERGY.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA USE ENERGY, BUT ALL THE BOXES ARE CHECKED.
OR SMALL, THERE'S NOTHING OF A CRITERIA.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROBLEMS AND THEY DON'T, THERE'S, THERE'S ADEQUATE ELECTRICITY, THERE'S NO NEW SUBSTATIONS NEEDED OR ANYTHING.
OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULDN'T BE BUILDING IT HERE IF THEY NEEDED A NEW SUBSTATION 'CAUSE IT WOULD COST MORE MONEY THAN THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THE NEXT ONE IS IMPACT ON NOISE, ODOR, AND LIGHT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY MAY HAVE ADDRESSED THE ISSUES, BUT THEY COULD BE MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACTS BECAUSE OF LIGHT AND NOISE CONDITIONS, ET CETERA.
I'M ASSUMING, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO SAY THAT THEY WON'T BE BLASTING THAT THERE IS BEDROCK NOTED ON THE THING AS BEING LESS THAN THREE FEET.
THAT, THAT WE WON'T BE BLASTING.
THIS WILL BE SLAB ON GRADE AND THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE TARA OR THEIR ENGINEER CAN COMMENT ON THAT THERE WON'T, THAT WE CAN DOCUMENT THAT THERE WILL NOT BE BLASTING.
UM, YOU WANNA KEEP GOING? THE ODORS I DIDN'T THINK WAS AN ISSUE, I DON'T THINK, UH, TYPICALLY
YEAH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT, UM, HIS FLOW, BUT IT IS A SLAB ON GRADE.
UM, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE HAVING TO DO ANY BLASTING.
IN FACT, WE'VE DONE OUR OWN GEOTECHNICAL, UM, STUDY OF THE SITE, UM, DOING SOIL, YOU KNOW, DRILLING AND BORING FOR SOIL SAMPLES.
SO WE KNOW WHAT THE SOIL MAKEUP IS.
AND, AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY BLASTING HERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY SEE THAT WHEN WE SEE THE BEDROCK LESS THAN THREE FEET, AND THEN I GET TO THIS ONE ABOUT 1500 FEET.
I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO BLASTING OCCURRING, BUT THAT WE WOULD JUST DOCUMENT IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT YOU WOULD PROVIDE US THAT YOU ARE NOT BLASTING.
SO WE MOVED ON TO IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH.
NO, THERE'S REALLY, WHEN YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR HUMAN HEALTH, THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN A HAZARDOUS WASTE SITE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE STORING CHEMICALS, ET CETERA.
THEY'RE NOT A GASOLINE STATION, ET CETERA.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, REMEMBER, THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD DECISION, NOT MINE.
I'M GIVING YOU WHAT I SAW IN THIS.
AND THEN YOU GUYS SHOULD REVIEW, AND THEN WE CAN FINALIZE AND THEN FINALIZE THE PART THREE WHERE WE'LL MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE THINK ANY OF THESE MAY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT CONSISTENT WITH COMMUNITY PLANS.
UM, WE'RE SAYING IT'S INCONSISTENT AT THIS POINT UNTIL PROOF BECAUSE OF ALL THE BOXES WE CHECKED.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, THEY MEET THE ZONING OF THE SITE, BUT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF CRITERIA IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO NOT ONLY SHOW THAT THEY MEET, BUT ALSO FROM A STANDPOINT OF SEEKER, BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT THE CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS.
SO WHAT A FEW THINGS CHECK THERE AS POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THOSE IMPACTS ARE SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE ARE, AND THEN SAME THING WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
AND THEN IF YOU NOTICE, MOST OF THEM ARE CHECKED NO OR SMALL IMPACT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE LAST ONE.
AND YOU HAVE TO GO PAGE UP A LITTLE BIT THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ONE YI CHECKED THAT BOX.
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UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, IT IS A PREDOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL SCALE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING ON ARCHITECTURE.AND THAT RELATES TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THEN, UH, UH, CHARACTER OF THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE SITE IS COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY WOODED AND THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THE SITE IS COMPLETELY WOODED.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE ANSWERS.
UM, BUT THEN THAT POINTS OUT THE THINGS THAT, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN BASICALLY WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING MANY OF THESE.
AND IS THAT INFORMATION ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SAY IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN THE ENVIRONMENT? OR IF IT MAY, IF YOU STILL HAVE DOUBTS, THE SEEKER WALL SAYS THAT YOU MUST POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECT IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHY THE LAW IS WRITTEN THAT WAY.
IT'S WRITTEN AS MAY IMPACT VERSUS WILL NOT IMPACT.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED A BUNCH OF THINGS HERE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTING AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON YOU DETERMINE WHETHER THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT AND MAY OR MAY OR WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO THE SECRET LAW IS WRITTEN, AGREE OR DISAGREE.
THE SECRET LAW IS WRITTEN ON ERROR ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
YOU'RE TECHNICALLY, IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO PROVE THAT A PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ENVIRONMENT VERSUS IT MAY, UM, IF YOU DECIDE FOR A POSITIVE DECLARATION, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SCOPING IN AN IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND A POSITIVE DECLARATION IS BASICALLY NOT A FINAL DECISION.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, THAT YOU WOULD NEED.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS TRIED TO AVOID, LIKE ANY APPLICANT WOULD DO, TRY TO AVOID A POSITIVE DECK BY PREVENTING PRESENTING AS MUCH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO PROVE TO YOU ON THE RECORD THAT BASICALLY THE PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE DIFFICULT DECISION TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS OR, AND GO THROUGH THOSE AND MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISIONS WHERE WE'LL CONSTRUCT THE PART THREE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND YOUR INPUT OF WHETHER THIS MAY OR WILL, WILL HAVE AN, MAY HAVE AN IMPACT OR WILL NOT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT AGAIN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS.
EVERY PLANNING BOARD DOES THIS DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON STUFF THAT I'VE LAID OUT OR THAT YOU WANT TO ASK TARA OR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON FOR YOU TO HELP MAKE A DECISION? ONE OF THE THINGS WE IDENTIFIED IS THAT WE'RE STILL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE RECORD.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW SUBMITTAL THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED, ANYTHING ON THE RECORD THAT TECHNICALLY SAYS THAT THIS IS A BETTER TRAFFIC SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S ON HEALTH OR ON SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, THE ISSUES THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF IMPACT TO THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AESTHETICS, WHICH ARE CLEARLY ARTICULATED IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE TO DO ANYWAY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU HAVE OF ME OR THE APPLICANT, OR WE KNOW OF ONE ADDITIONAL PIECE OF INFORMATION WE NEED IS RELATED TO TRAFFIC? UH, YES, I DO.
UM, LOOK, NO, I'M NOT, UH, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO INSULT OR DISPARAGE YOU, BUT TRA THE TRAFFIC IS A VERY, IT'S BO IT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME A LOT.
I'VE, UM, I GO TO THE DIFFERENT SITES AND I LOOK AT 'EM, BUT I ALSO WENT TO OUR DOLLAR GENERALS.
WE HAVE LOCALLY IN HAMBURG HERE, THERE'S THREE OF THEM AND TWO OF THEM, UH, THEY HAD PARKING.
ONE WAS IN A PARK IN, IN A PLAZA SETTING.
THE OTHER ONE WAS ON CAMP ROAD IN THE VILLAGE WHERE MM-HMM
I WENT IN THERE TWICE JUST TO SEE HOW, HOW THESE PLACES LOOK INSIDE IN A VERY REASONABLE PRICE.
DOLLAR GENERAL HAS PRODUCTS THAT AREN'T JUST DOLLAR, THERE'S DIFFERENT PRICE LEVELS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR DOLLAR TREE OR YOUR FAMILY DOLLAR.
I, I WENT TO ALL DIFFERENT ONES JUST TO SEE THE ATMOSPHERE VERY CROWDED.
AND THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD, I HAD TROUBLE GETTING OUT TRAFFIC-WISE LEFT BOTH TIMES.
I WENT THERE, UH, OUTSIDE THE PEAK HOURS MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN.
AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE LIKE 12 PARKING SPOTS.
BUT WHEN I WENT IN THERE, THERE WERE ONLY MAYBE SIX, INCLUDING MY CAR OR MY TRUCK.
AND THE, AND THE STORE WAS PACKED A HUNDRED YARDS DOWN.
PEOPLE WALKED INTO THIS DOLLAR GENERAL, THE ONE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW OVER ON SOUTHWESTERN.
AND THERE'S FAMILIES THAT HAVE CROSSED THE STREET AND YOU HAVE MADE IT LOOK VERY PRETTY AND VERY ATTRACTIVE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY HERE NOW IN THE WESTERN NEW YORK AREA, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OUT OF JOBS OR DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES ARE, ARE TAKING A HIT, UH, MOST PROMINENT OUR HOSPITALITY
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INDUSTRY.BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING OR THEY GET LAID OFF OR FURLOUGHED, SO THE MONEY IS NOT GONNA BE THERE.
SO DRAWING THEM TO A PLACE THAT, THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH, I THINK IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE PERCENT, THAT'S MY OPINION, THAT IT WILL INCREASE, BUT THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO CROSS.
THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD, THERE WAS A LIGHT THAT PEOPLE CROSSED OVER, AND THAT'S WHAT THE MANAGER IN THIS ONE STORE TOLD ME IN THE DOLLAR GENERAL, THAT, UM, YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS THAT COME IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL DRAW THAT.
I, I AGREE THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE OVERWHELMING DURING OUR, OUR WINTER SEASON BECAUSE IT'S, IT GETS VERY COLD.
BUT DURING THE SPRING, 'CAUSE NOW THAT IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS HERE, IT'S MOSTLY VIRTUAL, A LOT OF THE CHILDREN ARE, ARE BEING SCHOOLED AT HOME AND, UM, AFTER THEIR SCHOOL, THEY'RE GONNA WANT SOMETHING TO DO.
AND YOU HAVE THE WAY THESE, THESE PRICES HERE FOR THE DIFFERENT, UH, STORES YOU HAVE, IT'S GONNA DRAW THEM THERE TO GET THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT YOU OFFER.
SOME OF THE PRODUCTS AREN'T BRAND NAME.
THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE REALLY.
BUT IT'S GONNA DRAW THESE, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA DRAW, UM, YOUNGER, YOUNGER PEOPLE OR EVEN, UH, PEOPLE WHO CAN WALK WITHIN THIS DISTANCE.
BUT THERE'S NO PLACE TO CROSS ON SOUTHWESTERN EXCEPT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, MAYBE A QUARTER, NOT LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE DOWN, THERE'S A WHITE, A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
SO MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THIS TRAFFIC.
AND WHEN WE FIND OUT MORE FROM THE LETTERS WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE, ABOUT THE DOT AND SEE IF THAT COULD BE CORRECTED.
I DISAGREE WITH, AND, AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE, WHO DISAGREE WITH ME, THAT IT WON'T DRAW IN SOME PART PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WHICH THE OTHER ONES HAVE DONE.
AND THERE'S, IT'S JUST A KNOWN, KNOWN THING WITH THE DOLLAR TREES, THE DOLLAR GENERALS AND THE FAMILY, UH, FAMILY, FAMILY DOLLAR.
UM, DID THE, DID, DID THE DOLLAR, DID THE DOLLAR GENERAL, DO THEY BUY OUT OTHER STORES? I KNOW THE DOLLAR TREE DOES, DOES THE DOLLAR GENERAL DO THAT? DO THEY BUY AND BID ON OTHER STORES TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? UM, THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT.
THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH, I THINK, SOME TIME PERIODS WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN, UM, DIFFERENT GROWTH STRATEGIES TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT.
AND I THINK AT TIMES THEY HAVE MAYBE PURCHASED SOME EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD BROUGHT ONE UP EARLIER IN OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IT WAS A PARTICULAR, UH, BUILDING, I THINK IN EAST AURORA OR SOME SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT.
AND IT HAD BEEN AT ONE TIME, I THINK A RITE AID, UM, PHARMACY.
AND THEN IT HAD BEEN RETROFITTED TO BE A, I THINK, I THINK A FAMILY DOLLAR AND THEN RETROFITTED AGAIN TO BE A DOLLAR GENERAL.
AND SO SOMETIMES THEY DO TAKE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT AND TRY TO RETROFIT THEM, BUT THAT IS, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THEIR CURRENT, UM, FOCUS.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SINCE I DON'T WORK FOR DOLLAR GENERAL, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEIR INTERNAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DECISION MAKING AND MARKETING, UM, TECHNIQUES AND HOW THEY DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, PRECISELY WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD BUILDINGS OR IF THEY WOULD WANT TO ASSUME A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY OPEN ARE LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING.
THEY'RE BUILT TO SUIT, THEY'RE BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP TO SUIT THE, UM, THE AREA AND THE, UM, THE GOALS OF OUR CLIENT.
YEAH, THE, THE TWO OTHER ONES IN, IN OUR AREA, THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD AND THE ONE AT 6,000 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, THEY'RE BOTH LEASED BY DOLLAR GENERAL.
THEY DON'T OWN THE BUILDING ON CAMP ROAD.
THERE'S A PRIVATE OWNER AND THE ONE IN THE, IN THE PLAZA THERE, THAT'S DONE THROUGH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPER.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE CORRECT.
BUT I, AND THE ONE ON BOSTON STATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON A, ON A ROAD THAT'S NOT AS BUSY.
THE BOSTON STATE ROAD, NOT AS BUSY, BUT IT'S, IT'S TRAVELED A LOT.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE WERE VEHICLES THERE, THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE, AND THERE'S IT'S COUNTRY SETTING HERE ON SOUTHWESTERN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN HERE IN, IN THE AREA.
IT'S, IT'S A BIG THOROUGHFARE ROAD.
WHEN DID THEY DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON IT? I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE DATE LAST YEAR? 2019? BECAUSE NOW TRAFFIC IS DIMINISHED BECAUSE OF COVID.
THERE, THERE WAS NO, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ON, ON SOUTHWESTERN.
THEY DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASICALLY TO SAY THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT WE'D BE GENERATED.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AT THIS POINT.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, AGAIN, TARA, NO, NO DISRESPECT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU'RE WARRANTED BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE, THEY'RE NOT TRAFFIC EXPERTS.
I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT MYSELF, BUT I'M A, I'M, I'M A VERY, I'M VERY CONCERNED SAFETY GURU NUT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE, VEHICLES OR PEDESTRIANS ARE SAFE AND PULLING OUTTA THESE AREAS.
THE ONES I HAD TO, I, IT WAS DIFFICULT ON THE TWO.
I MENTIONED MAKING LEFT HAND TURNS, AND IT'S THE SAME, IT WAS THE SAME ISSUE I HAD WITH A PROJECT
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RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH SO FAR, I WAS PROVEN WRONG IN THAT, IN THAT SCENARIO.AND I'M GLAD I WAS, BUT, AND I, I JUST, I'M VERY RELUCTANT WHEN I DON'T HAVE EXACT, EVEN LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE EXPERTS AND OUR TRAFFIC, UM, ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE US A, THEY GIVE US AN AN OPINION AND, AND I THINK THE DOT, WHENEVER THEY DO THIS STUDY, IT'S AT THAT TIME.
SO I, I HAVE TO GAUGE MY, MY DECISIONS ON WHAT I SEE OR WHAT I DO.
SO I, I, AGAIN, UM, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IT IS GONNA BE A CONTINUED MY CONCERN UNTIL I SEE SOMETHING IN SOME STUDY, SOME WAY THAT YOU CAN CONVINCE ME THAT THE SAFETY ISSUE'S GONNA BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT TO SATISFY MYSELF.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
UH, DREW, UH, GETTING FOLLOWING UP ON BOB THERE, UH, COULD THEY USE THAT STUDY THAT THE THEY DID FOR THE TIM HORTONS ON WHITE OAK WAY? BECAUSE THAT WAS, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO, 2018? IS THERE ANY WAY THEY COULD, UH, LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE A TRAFFIC PATTERN? UM, THIS IS TRUE, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, BUT READ ENOUGH WITH 'EM.
UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP YOU A LOT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF VOLUME.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF THE, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND HOW THAT TRAFFIC WILL ENTER ONTO SOUTHWESTERN OR HEALTH ROAD.
SO YEAH, YOU COULD GET COUNTS, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD COUNTS, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GONNA GET.
BUT THEIR STUDY WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO HOW THAT TRAFFIC WOULD MOVE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO AGAIN, THE INFORMATION FROM THAT TRAFFIC STUDY CAN HELP JUST FROM A STANDPOINT OF COUNTS.
YOU MAY HAVE AN UPDATED COUNT NUMBER, UM, BUT THE ACTUAL STUDY'S NOT GONNA HELP YOU BECAUSE THIS, THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY HOW DO YOU ENTER ONTO SOUTHWESTERN FROM THE SITE, WHETHER IT'S BEST THROUGH HEALTH OR BEST THROUGH SOUTHWESTERN.
THE OTHER ONE IS ALSO, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WITH TIM HORTON'S AT LEAST, WE HAD THE, THE PEOPLE, AGAIN, IN AN EXISTING BUILDING, IT WAS A POST OFFICE THAT THE PEOPLE FROM THE SUBDIVISION COULD WALK TO THE TIM HORTON'S WITHOUT CROSSING SOUTHWESTERN.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE HERE THAN THAT.
SO IT'S A, THAT'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
AND NOW THEY CAN WALK TO A DANCE STUDIO, WHAT'S THAT? AND NOW THEY'RE
RIGHT? UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.
AND IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL VOLUME ISSUE.
IF THEY GENERATED THE VOLUME OF A HUNDRED TRIP A HUNDRED CARD TRIPS PER HOUR, YOU'D BE DOING TSS AND ALL THAT.
IT'S AN ISSUE RELATED TO HOW YOU ENTER, GET THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS NOT A LOT SAFELY ONTO THAT HIGHWAY.
AND THE OTHER ONE, THE PEDESTRIAN ONE, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR.
'CAUSE THE DOT WAS, THEY DON'T WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING CROSSWALKS IN ANYWHERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA, THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE CROSSING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ANYWHERE ALONG THERE.
IT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE TO CROSS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON MOST ISSUES, EXCEPT FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ISSUE.
THAT'S THE, THE REALLY DIFFICULT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY TYPE OF SOLUTION.
I MEAN, THIS IS, IT'S THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
IT'S NOT LIKE A BUTCHER SHOP OR A PLACE THAT SELLS GOLF CARTS.
KIDS ARE GONNA WANNA GO THERE TO BUY CANDY AND TOYS AND THINGS.
AND AS, AS BOB POINTED OUT, THE OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WALK IN.
UM, I, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME FOR SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE BIGGEST HURDLE GOING FORWARD.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT AND KNOWS IT.
UM, I MEAN, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANY OTHER ISSUES ARE RAISED THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED.
BUT I I, YEAH, I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON ALMOST EVERY OTHER ISSUE ASIDE FROM, ASIDE FROM THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST INTERJECT A THOUGHT HERE BECAUSE, UM, I TOO HAVE CONSIDERED IT.
AND, UM, I'VE TRIED TO DO SOME RESEARCH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, I'VE CONTACTED, UM, DOT, UM, THEIR PEDESTRIAN COORDINATOR.
UM, I SPOKE WITH EDRA KOWSKI, UM, AS WELL, WHO DOES A LOT OF, UM, LIAISING WITH THE, WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES ABOUT DIFFERENT PLANNING PROJECTS THAT COME UP FOR REVIEW.
UM, AND I ALSO LOOKED AT THE SEEKER GUIDANCE MOST RECENTLY AS WE STARTED DELVING MORE INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.
AND THE SEEKER, UM, ALSO PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE FOR US.
AND IT SAYS IN AREAS WHERE YOU, WHERE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION.
AND SO THERE IS, UM, SUPPORT THERE, I FEEL LIKE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND FOR US AS THE APPLICANT TO SAY THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SCENARIO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE GUIDANCE FROM
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SDOT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, JUST YOUR, YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE.I CAN HEAR COMING OUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMON SENSE SAYING IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, UM, TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY THERE.
UM, AND SO SEEKER, I THINK, WILL ALSO SUPPORT YOU IN THAT PROCESS.
IN SAYING THIS, UM, MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SETTING FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATION.
THERE ARE NOT, UM, OTHER PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS ALONG THE STATE HIGHWAY.
AND SO THERE'S NOTHING TO CONNECT TO.
UM, THERE IS NOT, UM, THAT IT IS JUST, IT MAY NOT BE JUST APPROPRIATE.
AND IN THAT CASE, THE SEEKER GUIDANCE DOES SAY, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HELPFUL TO YOU.
UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I'M LEARNING, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO TO WITH THIS, UM, SEEKER PROCESS, THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE INTENSIVE SEEKER REVIEWS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, AND WE'VE DONE ABOUT 40 PROJECTS IN, UM, IN NEW YORK.
AND SO I DO FEEL LIKE THE REVIEW, UM, THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLANNING BOARD IS PUTTING FORWARD IS, UM, MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE, UM, TO, AND MAYBE MORE, UM, CO MAYBE COMPREHENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THESE 40 OTHER SITES THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED.
AND SO, UM, I I HOPE THAT THAT WILL ALSO GIVE YOU SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT TO KNOW, UM, THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND PASS THIS, UM, PARTICULAR PROCESS.
A POSITIVE DECLARATION FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE, A PROJECT OF OUR SIZE IS NOT TYPICAL.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT ONCE YOU START ANSWERING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS MORE FULLY AND HAVING A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, WHILE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN MARKED MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THEM WILL PROBABLY COME, COME DOWN MUCH FURTHER IN YOUR ASSESSMENT.
UM, I DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON SEVERAL OF THE TOPICS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT THAT CAME UP AS WE WENT THROUGH THAT PART TWO OF THE SEEKER.
I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WERE, IN FACT, PART OF YOUR REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED ON THE FRONT END.
AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED ARE ACTUALLY ONES THAT WILL BE FULLY VETTED AND REVIEWED, UM, BY OTHER, UM, APPROVING AND PER PERMITTING AGENCIES, UM, BEFORE WE WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, UM, ONCE YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE ITEMS IN MORE DETAIL THAN WE WERE ABLE TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT, THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY, UM, SIGNIFICANCE OF THE IMPACTS IS RELATIVELY LOW.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO, UM, WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR JUST TOUCH AGAIN ON THIS TOPIC OF THE, THE TRAFFIC, WHICH, UH, I KNOW IS GIVING, UM, MANY OF YOU SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GENERATING, UM, MAYBE 40 IN PEAK HOUR, MAYBE 40, UM, YOU KNOW, TRIPS TO THE STORE.
AND THAT'S JUST IN PEAK HOURS.
AND SO IN THE NON-PEAK HOURS, YOU KNOW, IT'S EVEN LESS.
AND, UM, FOR SEEKER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED VEHICLE TRIP THRESHOLD TO, UM, BASICALLY TURN, YOU KNOW, MEET THAT THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
AND I CAN SEE MR. RILEY SHAKING HIS HEAD.
I KNOW HE, I CAN TELL HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IN, IN THE LEAST, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT THE SEEKER SAYS.
AND, UM, NO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T.
I MEAN, LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT, DOES NOT SAY THAT I, I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN GUESS IS WHAT DREW MIGHT SAY, BUT I DREW REALLY CLEARLY ARTICULATED, AND I THINK WE'VE ALL SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE ISSUE ISN'T THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S PROJECTING VEHICLES UP TO 40 AT A PEAK HOUR ONTO A SIDE STREET WITH A VERY POOR VISIBILITY TURN.
AND I, WE JUST NEED SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
AND I, I MEAN, I, THAT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR ME AND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
I AGREE WITH BOB THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO, THERE'S AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE QUALITY THAT KIDS ARE GONNA TRY TO GET TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
SO UNLESS WE'RE ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THING EITHER, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT IT THERE, THERE'S STILL POTENTIAL IMPACT FOR, FOR PEDESTRIANS.
I MEAN, I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S, RIGHT, TARA, YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB OF TRYING TO PRESENT INFORMATION TO THEM.
UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S JOB.
IT IS NOW THE PLANNING BOARD'S JOB TO WEIGH AND BALANCE THOSE THINGS AGAINST WHAT, THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWERS IN THE SEEKER LAW OR SEEKER HANDBOOK THAT SAYS YOU MUST DO THIS OR DO THAT.
THE ONLY DEFINITIVE THING IN THE SEEKER LAW IS IF THE PROJECT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT, SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THAT DECK OR, UH, A POSITIVE DECK.
IF THE PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, THEN YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A, THEN, THEN, THEN YOU GO THE, THEN YOU
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ISSUE YOUR NECK DECK.DEFINITIVE SECRET LAW GIVES GUIDANCE TO, TO BOARDS AND SUCH TO MAKE DECISIONS.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, DECISIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
WE WERE DOWNSTATE, THIS PROJECT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO A POSITIVE DECK.
THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT POSITIVE DECKS.
AND BASICALLY UPSTATE IS A LITTLE BETTER.
THEY LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY WEIGH AND BALANCE THINGS A LITTLE BETTER.
NOW THEY'RE GONNA WEIGH IN BOUNDS.
UM, THE ISSUE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT A BIG VOLUME GENERATOR.
THE VOLUME A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR WOULD AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRE YOU TO DO A TIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, WHERE OF A STATE DOT REQUIREMENT, AND IT IS A SECRET REQUIREMENT.
IT IS A THRESHOLD THAT YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY START LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY LARGE IMPACT.
BUT PROJECTS HAVING 10 CARTRIDGES PER HOUR HAVE HAD REQUIREMENTS FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES.
I MEAN, IT JUST SPENDS UPON THE SITUATION.
PEDESTRIAN ISSUE IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
YOU TEND NOT TO WANT TO PUT YES, YOU, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
YOU IN A, IN AN AREA THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE THINGS THERE.
AND THE SECRET LAW ALLOWS YOU TO SAY, THE SECRET LAW SAYS YOU MUST ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIAN, BUT IN THOSE AREAS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE, LET'S NOT.
IF YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO PUT USES IN THERE THAT ATTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE DONE PLAYGROUNDS AND STUFF, YOU DON'T PUT 'EM IN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN'T WALK TO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE IT, THAT YOU'RE USED, THAT UNFORTUNATELY, GOOD OR BAD IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.
AND WE'RE WORRIED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO WALK TO THE FACILITY AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THEY TRY TO WALK TO THE FACILITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT.
IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE IN ALL RURAL AREAS.
THAT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE OF, OF WHETHER YOU HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OR NOT AND WHETHER THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WEIGHING AND BALANCING.
WE'RE HOPEFULLY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE TRAFFIC SO WE CAN SAY THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN YOU DO AN IMPACT STATEMENT, THE NICE PART ABOUT AN IMPACT STATEMENT IS YOU MITIGATE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE.
I DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE END PROJECT.
WE DO EVERYTHING THE BEST WE CAN.
WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'VE MADE A DECISION YET, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD AND, AND SUPPORT WHAT, WHAT OUR DECISION'S GONNA BE.
UM, SO I I, THERE'S NO REASON, I'M APOLOGIZE FOR SHAKING MY HEAD, BUT IT, IT IS A BIG MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN I DO TRAINING THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF WHAT THE SECRET LAW SAYS AND WHAT IT DOESN'T.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INTERPRETATION.
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON THE LINE, WE COULD SPEND HOURS TALKING ABOUT THE CASES THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE, UH, THAT, UH, REPRESENT THE SEEKER LAW.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THE SECRET LAW HAS JUST CHANGED.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEW STUFF IN THERE.
WASN'T GONNA ARGUE WITH THE LAST A BOOK AND ABOUT TYPE TWO ACTIONS AND WHATEVER, BECAUSE THE SEEKER LAW CHANGED.
UM, ANYWAY, WE'RE BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
ANY OTHER ISSUES? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR YOU.
WE, AS CONSULTANTS OF THE TOWN ADVISORY BOARDS, ET CETERA, IS GET YOU INFORMATION TO TRY TO THE APPLICANT TO GET YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO BOB AND OTHERS HAVE EXPLAINED THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND BY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED NEW INFORMATION, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA GET TOMORROW ON THE, ON SAVING TREES ON THE SITE, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE, THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING THAT'S HELPING A LITTLE BIT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES YOU NEED FROM US OR THE APPLICANT TO HELP YOU? HELP YOU? AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN THE PUBLIC ASKS QUESTIONS THAT YOU'LL HAVE INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE? I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP GET TO, UH, GET TO AS MUCH INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON THE RECORD SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A DECISION.
I'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC.
I'M GONNA TRY TO GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, TARA, THAT THAT PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, HAVING A POSITIVE DECK WOULD BE ATYPICAL.
UM, AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE END UP GOING, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WE'D HAVE TO REALLY HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT JUSTIFICATIONS DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT A PROJECT OF THIS SCOPE THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT EVERY PROJECT'S DIFFERENT.
AND SO IT, WE, WE'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE THINK THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE OBVIOUSLY, NOTHING'S BEEN DECIDED YET.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT STARTING IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THE, JUST TO LAY OUT THE PROCESS SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT SIMILAR TO THE
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CAR WASH WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ONLINE.'CAUSE OUR NEXT MEETING'S GONNA BE VIRTUAL LIKE THIS ONE.
SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD OPEN UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT COMMENTS IN THOSE TWO WEEKS.
IN BETWEEN, UH, THE VIDEO WILL BE ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK SITE.
SO EVEN IF PEOPLE MISS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WATCH THE VIDEO AND PRESENT COMMENTS.
UH, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS BY EMAIL.
WE'LL TAKE LETTERS, UH, PEOPLE CAN CALL SARAH AND LEAVE COMMENTS, BUT WE'D PREFER AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING IN WRITING SO THAT WAY WE'VE GOT AN ACTUAL WORD FOR WORD WHAT THE PERSON HAD TO SAY.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN BETWEEN DECEMBER 16TH WHEN PUBLIC HEARING WILL OPEN IN JANUARY 6TH WHEN IT'LL CLOSE.
UM, SARAH, EARLIER TODAY YOU SAID YOU INVITED SOME RESIDENTS FOR THE CAR WASH TO BE ON OUR ZOOM, RIGHT? I GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE ZOOM IF THEY WANTED TO BE.
COULD THAT, IS THAT STILL, WOULD THAT, IS THAT OFFERED TO THIS PROJECT TOO? I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THE SAME THING.
NO, I OFFERED IT TO THE MR. PALUSO AND, AND MRS. KY.
I I, NO, I JUST WANTED, I THINK THAT THEY ARE BOTH WATCHING ON FACEBOOK AND I THINK ON THE 16TH THEY WILL WANT TO BE INVOLVED VIA THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
YEAH, THEY, THEY LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THAT BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON THE ZOOM CALL BOB.
JUST THE RESIDENT, JUST THE RESIDENTS.
JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? YES.
AND THE, AND THE WOMAN ACROSS THE STREET WHO'S GONNA HAVE THE DRIVEWAY LIGHT SHINING AT HER HOUSE, UM, OR RIGHT.
NOT, I, I THINK, I THINK ACROSS THE STREET'S ADJACENT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, REDUCE OTHER PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO COMMENT JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THESE CALLS AND, AND HOW
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT A FREE ALL WHERE EVERYBODY CAN, CAN BE ON THE SCREEN, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, I MEAN, I GUESS SINCE WE ARE TAKING COMMENTS BY EMAIL, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO RECORD A VIDEO AND SEND IT, UH, SO WE COULD SEE THEIR FACE.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S IMPORTANT, UM, WE WOULD ACCEPT THINGS THAT WAY.
UM, I RECEIVED A TEXT FROM ONE FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET A FEW MINUTES AGO.
IT'S AN ARTICLE HE WANTS YOU ALL TO READ.
SO I'LL FORWARD THAT TO YOU TOMORROW VIA EMAIL.
AND, AND, AND YEAH, WE, WE READ THE ARTICLES THAT ARE SENT, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE INFORMATION IN THE ARTICLES AREN'T THE TYPE OF INFORMATION WE CAN USE TO MAKE A DECISION TERMINATION ON THE PROJECT.
AND LIKE THE ARTICLE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING, UM, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING INFORMATION, BUT AS THE INFORMATION WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER IS WHAT WE WENT OVER IN THAT PART TWO OF THE EAF.
SO IF THE ARTICLE ADDRESSES THAT, IT'D MORE HELPFUL THAN AN ARTICLE THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
UM, I STILL FEEL LIKE WHATEVER I GET, I'M GONNA SEND TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT, BUT JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IF WE GET AN ARTICLE AND IT DEALS WITH A SUBJECT THAT'S NOT ON THAT PART TWO, AND THEN WE DON'T REFERENCE IT, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE WE DIDN'T READ IT OR IGNORED IT.
UM, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THE, THE CRITERIA FOR OUR DECISION IS REALLY OUTLINED IN THAT PART TWO THAT WE WENT OVER.
SO THINGS THAT DON'T FALL INTO THAT, WHILE IT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE, WE CAN'T BASE OUR DECISIONS ON THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
WE SAY WE THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOOD BECAUSE AN ARTICLE SAID DOLLAR GENERALS ARE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WE CHECKED YES FOR A LOT OF THOSE BOXES.
AND SAME THING THE OTHER WAY, IF AN ARTICLE SAYS DOLLAR GENERALS ARE BAD BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ECONOMIC FACTORS, WELL, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THAT PART TWO, NO ECONOMIC FACTORS WERE LISTED FOR WHAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL READ THOSE ARTICLES, BUT DON'T THINK THAT IF WE DON'T BRING IT UP, THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT VALUABLE INFORMATION.
IT'S JUST PARTICULAR TYPE OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
IS THE INFORMATION OUTLINED IN SEEKER
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A A AND BILL, JUST BUILDING UPON YOUR ISSUE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND JENNIFER CAN HELP WITH THIS, THE UNDER THE PANDEMIC, THE COMMUNITIES ARE GIVING SOME LEEWAY ON HOW TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ET CETERA.I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IS THAT, I THINK THE DECISION YOU MADE WAS SOME OF THE ADJOINING RESIDENTS WHO REQUESTED CAN BE ON THIS CALL.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANNA ATTEND WILL BE THROUGH FACEBOOK.
AND I THINK IT WAS A GREAT IDEA THAT YOU LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR ONE MEETING AFTERWARDS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO GET COMMENTS IN IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GET SOMETHING IN ON FACEBOOK QUICK ENOUGH.
SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE, AND JENNIFER CAN COMMENT, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A YEOMAN'S JOB TO TRY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A PUBLIC HEARING UNDER THESE PANDEMIC SITUATION WHERE WE'RE
AND WE'RE JUST GOING BACK TO THE PROCESSES WE DECIDED WE WOULD USE ON ANY BIG PROJECTS BACK IN MARCH.
IF I MAY INTERJECT, I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS JOE CAL REPRESENTATION FROM BROADWAY GROUP.
UM, I'VE HAD TO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THAT THE, THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED GOING THROUGH THE PART TWO AND ALSO TARA'S COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO, UM, BROADWAY GROUP'S POSITION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OR LACK THEREOF, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY.
BUT I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, MARKED BOXES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, UM, AS POTENTIAL, UM, POTENTIAL LARGE OR MEDIUM IMPACTS, BUT NO ONE HAS REALLY PARTICULARLY ADDRESSED AS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE STORM WATER THAT I KNOW I BELIEVE IN, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK MENTIONED SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IS THERE ANY OF THOSE OTHER ISSUES, ANY OTHER INFORMATION? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL OF OUR BASES, MAKE SURE THAT IF THE ISSUES ARE GONNA BE REAL, WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FORWARD OR NOT RELY HEAVILY ON THE TRAFFIC, THAT WE CAN PUT SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES TO BED.
AND I DON'T WANNA OVERLOOK THEM AND BE IN THE 25TH HOUR AND REALIZE THERE WAS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE, UM, ACCOMMODATED OR AT LEAST ADDRESSED THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, I, I THINK I, I SAID IT EARLIER, I THINK DEFINITELY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN MITIGATED.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AS FAR AS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ISSUES, BUT I, I THINK A LOT OF THAT STUFF'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO OUR ENGINEER CAMMIE ABOUT THE PARTICULAR ISSUES WITH GROUNDWATER AND THE WATER ISSUES TO MAKE SURE SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE THINGS.
UM, BUT I MEAN, WHAT DO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT MR. ARI'S QUESTION AS FAR AS, UH, SOME OF THOSE OTHER ISSUES? UM, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT CLOSER ON THOSE OR? I, I THINK THAT THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, MUCH IN THIS PORTION IS JUST THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND IT'S COME UP PERIPHERALLY.
AND PART OF THAT TIES, I THINK, VERY CLOSELY INTO THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION AND THE, YOU KNOW, I WAS MORE ENCOURAGED BECAUSE IF YOU'RE FRONTAGE AND YOU'RE FACING AND YOUR BUILDING IS ON SOUTHWESTERN AND YOU CAN STILL LEAVE A BUFFER, IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY CHARACTERS, WHETHER YOU'RE ON SOUTHWESTERN VERSUS HEALTH.
AND I THINK I KNOW THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA GET SOME MORE RENDERINGS AND SOME MORE INFORMATION AND, YOU KNOW, AND TARA'S RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERSTORY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MATURE TREES, AND IT'S A DIFFICULT THING, A VERY MANICURED AND LANDSCAPED LOOK.
WHILE IT MAY BE A, A LOOK IS STILL A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF VEGETATION AND A LOOK IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS A RURAL AESTHETIC THAT'S MORE SUBURBAN AESTHETIC.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST A CHANGE.
AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY'S IN SUPPORT OF THAT OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DEPENDS ON THAT PERSON.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, THE PUBLIC AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IF THERE'S COMMENTS ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I, I AGREE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE VERY HELPFUL FOR COMMUNITY CHARACTER QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'LL DEPEND ON, ON WHAT COMES UP.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WE HAVEN'T THEY THOUGHT OF VERY THOROUGHLY, THEN, THEN OF COURSE THAT'D BE ANOTHER ISSUE TO ADDRESS.
BUT I, I, I THINK FOR, WE'RE MOVING IN A DIRECTION IN THAT, UM, BUT WE, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ARE
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GONNA HAVE STRONG OPINIONS AND WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO THOSE OPINIONS.SARAH, I'M JUST GONNA ASK, MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE, AND I DIDN'T CHECK, I APOLOGIZE, ALL THE UPDATED INFORMATION SUBMITTED ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE, BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO LIKE THE LAST PLANS FOR WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, AND THIS MOST RECENT SITE PLAN, I GUESS WE SHOULD GET UP ON THE WEBSITE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE UP TO DATE, UP TO WHAT I RECEIVED YESTERDAY.
AND, AND BILL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP, UH, CAMIE WILL PROBABLY GET WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE HAS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US, FOR US TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE STORM WATER ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE.
I KNOW THEY JUST MADE SOME CHANGES.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T HAVE FINAL DESIGN PLANS, CAMMY, BUT ENOUGH THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THOSE IMPACTS.
WELL, AND DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT MR. CALAMARI WAS SAYING AS FAR AS, I MEAN, I, I THINK TO PARAPHRASE, WE, WE WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TODAY.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THAT'S RESOLVED.
AND THEN WE SAY, YEAH, BUT THE, YOU DIDN'T SAVE ENOUGH TREES OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T BRING UP.
SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER POINTS THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE COULD STILL BE LOOSE ENDS, UH, LET'S, LET'S RAISE THEM SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
ANYTHING ELSE BY ANYBODY FOR TODAY? YEAH, WAIT A MINUTE.
I GONNA BE STOPPED BECAUSE MY PHONE'S GONNA DIE.
WHAT'S HE ROAD? IS THAT A TOWN ROAD? SO IT'S PLOWED BY, IT'S PLOWED BY THE TOWN.
I'M ALMOST POSITIVE IT'S A TOWN ROAD.
BECAUSE I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WHEN I WAS OVER THERE, I WENT DOWN, HELLS A LOT DRIVING DOWN.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA EXIT TO GO TO THE LIGHT DOWN HOW ROAD, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WE HAVE BAD WINTERS.
IS THAT A TOWN ROAD OR DOES THE TOWN MAINTAIN IT? I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
I, I CAN'T ANSWER WHO MAINTAINS IT, BUT IT IS A COUNTY ROAD AND, UM, ERIE COUNTY WOULD BE THE ONE, UH, PERMITING THE, UM, CURB CUT.
NO, BUT THE HEALTH, THE LTZ ROAD ITSELF IS COUNTY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TARA? YES, SIR.
NO, I, I, NO, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, MAYBE THE TOWN HAS AN ARRANGEMENT TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S DESIGNATED A COUNTY ROAD.
NO, I, AND ERIE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT WILL PERMIT THE DRIVEWAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE NEWEST RENDERINGS.
HOW FAR IS THE DOLLAR GENERAL EXPECTED TO BE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH? UM, BEHIND THE BUILDING? THE, YEAH, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT YOU SHARE A PROPERTY LINE WIDTH.
UM, WELL, WE, WE KIND OF SHARE TWO.
THERE'S ONE OVER TO THE WESTERN SIDE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, UM, POPOWSKI.
AND SO THAT'S GOT A, A FAIRLY LARGE, UM, SETBACK.
I THINK IT'S LIKE AROUND 70 SOMETHING FEET.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, EASTERN SIDE WHERE IT, UH, COMES UP AGAINST HETS ROAD, THAT SIDE, UH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 70 FOOT NOW, UM, SETBACK FROM THE BUILDING.
AND THEN AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, THE ONE THAT IS WITH, UM, MR. AND MRS. JABLONSKI, WE, I THINK ARE AROUND 15 FEET.
UM, THAT WAS, WE HAD AT ONE POINT ACHIEVE LIKE A 20 FOOT SETBACK, BUT, UM, WHEN WE, IT'S KIND OF A TRADE OFF OF BEING ABLE TO GET THAT SEVEN FOOT, THE ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET ALONG HETS ROAD SO THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN THOSE TREES.
UM, THAT MEANS THAT WHEN WE MOVED THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OVER TO THE WEST, UM, WE HAD TO AL MOVE IT OVER AND BUMP IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE STILL HAD TO, UM, RESPECT THE, THE SETBACKS FOR THE FRONT AND FOR THAT, UM, THE PARKING AREA SETBACK.
SO WE'RE AT 15 FEET, UM, I BELIEVE AT THE, AT THE REAR.
AND THEN, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF, UM, LET'S SEE, UM, AROUND 70 FEET, UM, ON THE OTHER, ON THE TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN DID THE DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS OUT ONTO HOW ITS IN THE NEWEST RENDERINGS, DID THAT GET WIDER
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AND DID IT MOVE LOCATION FROM THE ORIGINAL RENDERINGS YOU GAVE US? IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME WIDTH.UM, THE, BASICALLY THE SAME LOCATION, I MEAN, WITHIN A FEW FEET, YOU KNOW, OF, OF THE ORIGINAL, THE LOCATION THAT WE LAST REVIEWED.
AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I CAN, UM, PROVIDE IN THE, UM, IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SAID, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED, CAMMIE MAY HAVE SOME, UM, MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS SINCE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD TO REDESIGN THE STORMWATER, OUR ENGINEER WENT AS FAR TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKED.
BUT AS FAR AS GIVING ME A FULL SET OF PLANS, HE HASN'T DONE THAT YET.
SO, UM, AND THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FULL SET OF PLANS, I COULD ALSO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SETBACK DETAILS, UM, GIVE YOU AN ACTUAL SETBACK PLAN, SHOWING YOU THE PARTICULAR DIMENSIONS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT I, UM, SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO Y'ALL? MM-HMM
AND THE NEW PLANS, HAS THE PARKING LATCH CONFIGURATION CHANGED AT ALL? UH, NO MA'AM.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE PARKING LOT CONFIGURATION HAS HAD TO CHANGE AT ALL.
UM, THE, UM, IF IT IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I COULD JUST SEE VISUALLY, UM, THE, THE ENGINEER MAY HAVE HAD TO SORT OF TWEAK THE EDGE OF THE, THE PARKING AREA TO MAKE SURE WE STAYED BEHIND THAT SETBACK, UM, FOR THE PARKING AREA, SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AT ALL.
IT'S STILL PARKING STALLS AND THE BASIC, UM, SHAPE IS, REMAINS THE SAME.
SO IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WHEN THE EXIT WAS ON HOUSE? YES, MA'AM.
I WILL SEND YOU ALL THE, UM, DETAILED EMAIL I GOT FROM TARA, BUT IT WON'T BE UNTIL EARLY AFTERNOON TOMORROW.
AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET EVERY, YOU'LL GET HAVE ALL OF THAT.
SARAH, DID WE SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT LAST ONE ALREADY? OR DO WE NEED TO DO THAT TODAY? I THOUGHT WE SCHEDULED IT, BUT I THINK I WAS FINE.
I THINK, I THINK YOU SCHEDULED THIS ONE.
BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, BROADWAY GROUP.
MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP.
MOTION BY MR. ERFORD, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
I SAW HIM BEFORE YOU BEFORE YOU SAID IT, SO, UM, ALRIGHT.
THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE DO HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 18TH MEETING.
CAN WE CONSIDER, UM, GOING FORWARD ON THE PLEN BOARD WEBSITE, PUTTING JUST LIKE A TAB SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE VIRTUAL FOR AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, CLICKING, LIKE TO INSTRUCT RESIDENTS AS TO HOW TO BEST PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUT LIKE QUESTIONS ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
HERE'S, YOU CAN EMAIL SARAH, YOU CAN SEND AN ACTUAL LETTER OR HERE'S A LINK TO OUR FACEBOOK.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK ALL THE RESIDENT TAKES ACCESS TO FACEBOOK AND IT'S RIGHT.
OVERWHELMING TO UNDERSTAND OUR WHOLE PROCESS AND HOW TO PARTICIPATE AND HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD WITHOUT FEELING LIKE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF SOMEBODY COULD WRITE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE COULD TALK TO JENNY ABOUT CREATING A TAB.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG SOMETHING LIKE THAT TAKES.
WHAT WAS THAT, SARAH? YEAH, I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A
UM, BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT THE WEBSITE DOES HAVE MY EMAIL AND MY PHONE NUMBER ON IT, AND I GET CALLS AND EMAILS ALL THE TIME.
AND I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT I THINK MAYBE WHEN PEOPLE SEE IN THE AGENDAS THAT IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, THEY MAY NOT REALIZE THAT YOU ARE THE PERSON TO CONTACT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT FACEBOOK MIGHT BE A BARRIER TO SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT, BUT WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION.
AND, AND MAYBE IF WE PUT SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK OR, OR ON THE WEBSITE THAT ANSWERS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GET THE MOST OFTEN, MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THERE AND, AND NOT BOTHER YOU AS OFTEN.
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ALL.JUST EMAIL ME WHAT YOU WOULD LOOKING FOR TO HAVE POSTED ON YOUR PLANNING PAGE AND I CAN HAVE THAT UP WITHIN A DAY.
I THINK SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO ADD TO THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT TO WATCH A GOVERNMENT PAGE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S UP TO SHARE WITH RESIDENTS.
CAN THEY COMMENT THOUGH, WITHOUT A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT? THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN, I THINK YOU CAN COMMENT, BUT THEY COULD WATCH.
SO MAYBE WE PUT THAT IN THERE.
LIKE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO WATCH IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND THEN THEY CAN EMAIL A COMMENT.
SO DID YOU VOLUNTEER TO TO, TO DRAFT THAT, MEGAN? I JUST WROTE IT ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO, BILL.
I WAS GONNA SAY, NOT IT, I ALREADY GET THE, THE DOT EMAIL HELP, SO YES.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO OTHER BUSINESS.
SARAH, I FEEL LIKE THESE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT AGENDA'S GOTTEN SHORTER IN A WHILE.
THEY, I, IT WAS GONNA BE TWO PAGES BEFORE LONG.
WELL WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE NEXT ONE.
WELL, YEAH, A LOT OF STUFF FROM THE LAST MEETING GOT PUSHED TO THE 16TH I HAD SEEN SO.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA BE VIRTUAL OR, OR IN PERSON.
UM, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY REGRET IT NEXT TIME.
UH, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WELL I'LL SEE EVERYBODY ON THE 16TH.