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WELL, THERE'S, UM, I'M IN MY HUSBAND'S OFFICE AND IT'S, UH, THERE'S LOTS OF DEBRIS FROM THE KIDS THAT DISAPPEAR, SO I FIGURED I'D JUST, UH, BLUR THE BACKGROUND.
ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS JOHN AKA REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 5,845 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 6 4 0 SOLES ROAD ROAD.
SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY BRIEFLY IN FRONT OF US IN OUR LAST WORK SESSION, UM, RIGHT, AND THERE'S SOME CHANGES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE AGAIN, HERE IS RIGHT
RIGHT? UH, YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE BEFORE YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WITH THE, THE SAME SITE.
UH, SINCE THEN, WE'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES, ADDITIONS, CLARIFICATIONS BASED ON SOME INPUT THAT WE GOT.
UM, SITE IS, UH, 0.66 ACRES, ZONE C TWO, THE FRONT'S ON BOTH SOLES ROAD AND SOUTHWESTERN.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A 8,170 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, MULTI-TENANT.
UM, THE, UH, TENANTS IN THE BUILDING WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS, UH, SMALL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, NAIL SALON, UH, DIFFERENT USES LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, WE'D ALSO BE PURSUING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TENANT CAME ALONG.
BUT, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, SO WE'D HAVE TO, TO LIMIT THE TYPES OF USES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A LARGE RESTAURANT IN THERE.
UM, SO BASED ON, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING, I DID ADD SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE PLANS, AND IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT'S OUT THERE, AND, UH, THERE ARE, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD REMAIN.
UM, I ADDED THE, UH, THE EXISTING DUPLEXES AND EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE.
UM, AND, UH, WE, WE DID SUBMIT A FEW PHOTOS OF A PLAZA THAT THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL LOOK OF THIS PLAZA.
AGAIN, THE ADDRESS OF THAT IS 58 93 CAMP ROAD OR THE PHOTOS THAT WE SUBMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO DID, AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, WE DID SUBMIT TO THE DOT TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE DRIVEWAY.
AND, UH, I FOLLOWED UP A COUPLE TIMES AND I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM YET.
UM, I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT TOO, I DID ADD THE, THE LOWE'S PLAZA RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE STREET, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT LINES UP.
AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION TOO, AS TO WHERE THAT, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED OREGON AVENUE.
UM, THAT ROAD IS FAR ENOUGH TO THE LEFT THAT IT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE ON OUR PLAN.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE, WE CAN ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT JOHN MILWAUKEE IS ALSO ON HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO TENANTS OR OPERATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN ANSWERING TOO.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST, HEY, CHRIS, SCAN THE, THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, I HEARD A NAIL SALON AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
UH, POTENTIALLY A NAIL SALON AND SMALL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES LIKE INSURANCE OFFICE AND, UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A LARGER RESTAURANT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
CHRIS? YES, CHRIS? YEAH, REGARDING THAT PARKING, I TOOK A RIDE BY THERE.
WHERE, WHERE WOULD THOSE PARKING SPACES GO? FA, IF YOU'RE FACING, FACING THE, THE BUILDING FROM SOUTHWESTERN, THE, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE FACING THE SITE FROM SOUTHWESTERN AND THE PARKING SPOT WOULD BE ON THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE AND THE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND SO, AND YOU HAVE NO, YOU DON'T HAVE A, A NUMBER OR AN ESTIMATED NUMBER OF HOW MANY SPACES THERE? IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A, I'M JUST ASKING.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A, WE HAVE 2023 PARKING SPACES.
WORKED OUT, UH, ROUGHLY WORKED OUT TO ROUGHLY ONE PER 350 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.
AND THEN A COUPLE, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE FOR HANDICAPPING, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE.
YOU CAN, ONCE YOU GET OVER 25, YOU WOULD NEED TWO HANDICAP SPOTS, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BELOW 25.
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DID YOU GET THE, UH, CURB CUT FOR, UH, SOUTHWESTERN? THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? SORRY.YEAH, ON, ON THE PROPOSAL, YOU, YOU, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE CURB CUTS, UH, ON BOTH SOLES AND SOUTHWESTERN.
UH, DID YOU GET APPROVAL FOR THOSE? WELL, UM, WE, WE ONLY SHOW ONE PROPOSED CURB CUT ONTO SOUTHWESTERN, AND WE DID SUBMIT THE DOT AND, UH, I DID FOLLOW UP A COUPLE TIMES WITH ED RAKOWSKI AT DOT, AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH YET.
DENNIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE AN UP TO DATE, UH, SITE PLAN.
SARAH SENT IT, UM, LAST WEEK, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE ONE.
THAT SHOWS THE ONLY THE SINGLE ENTRANCE ON SOUTHWESTERN.
NOW, BRANDON, WE DID, UH, ONE OF THE CHANGES, WE DID DO ALSO, WE, WE MOVED OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA OVER TO THE SOLES ROAD SIDE OR ON THE, UH, THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO IT WOULDN'T BE AS VISIBLE FROM, FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
AND WE ADDED, UH, A GROUND SIGN AND SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW SHRUBBERY AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THAT SIDE TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FROM, UH, FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING RIGHT TO THE EAST OF US, SO THE VISIBILITY COMING, YOU KNOW, SOUTHWEST ON SOUTHWESTERN ISN'T GONNA BE THAT GREAT.
UM, SO THAT'S KINDA WHY WE REVISED THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT AND PUT THAT JOG IN THERE AND WAS ABLE TO MOVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN.
CAN, UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME IF I SPEAK? YES.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME ON THIS PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY PIECE, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, THE LOT OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN FOR SALE FOR A LONG TIME.
THE FOLKS THAT OWN IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING UP THERE IN AGE AND JUST THEIR KIDS JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING WITH A LOT.
IT'S NOT REALLY GREAT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND IT'S TOUGH FOR COMMERCIAL, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON ONE SIDE AND COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER.
UM, I'M A, UH, A PEDIATRICIAN.
I HAVE AN OFFICE RIGHT NEXT TO FRONTIER HIGH SCHOOL.
THE, UH, THE OLD FIRE HALL I CONVERTED INTO A PEDIATRIC OFFICE.
UM, I DON'T DO THINGS HALFWAY.
IF YOU DRIVE BY MY PEDIATRIC OFFICE, IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S A NICE LOOKING PLACE AND I PLAN ON DOING THE SAME QUALITY AND LEVEL OF, UH, WORK TO THIS PROJECT.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING LIKE, THIS ISN'T MY BREAD AND BUTTER IN MY LIVING.
I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT SPOT.
AND IT WOULD HELP HAMBURG, EMERY HAS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS AND STUFF COMING IN.
IT'D BE NICE TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME, SOME SHOPS AND SOME SMALL BUSINESS TO KIND OF WORK WITH TO MAKE IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY OF, UH, SHOPS AND, YOU KNOW, HOUSING RATHER THAN JUST WHAT WE, WHAT EVERYBODY KEEPS BUILDING.
SO I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.
JOHN AND BOB, THIS IS BOB FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, UH, CHRIS MENTIONED SOME SHOPS, HE WASN'T VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT EXACT EXACTLY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SOLID IDEAS OF WHAT KIND OF SHOPS OR OR BUSINESSES YOU WERE YOU WERE PLANNING ON? LIKE, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A LAWYER THAT WANTS TO, UH, HAVE A SMALL SHOP IN THEIR ACCOUNTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, A NAIL SALON OR A, AN AESTHETIC TYPE PLACE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FACIALS AND, AND BOTOX AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD FIT WELL IN THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF PARKING SPOTS.
IT'S QUICK IN AND OUT FOR A BUSY CORRIDOR.
AND IT'S THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NOW DRIVE TO ORCHARD PARK IN WILLIAMSVILLE AND WHATNOT FOR, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING, UH, QUESTIONABLE IN THERE.
I, I, MY, MY REPUTATION DOWN AS A PEDIATRICIAN IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN, THAN PUTTING THE WRONG SHOP IN.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA, UM, PUT ANYTHING THAT'S SKETCHY IN THERE.
UM, BUT NO, I, ALL I CAN SAY IS I THINK IT'S A GREAT SPOT FOR, FOR BUSINESSES LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE, UH, THE, THE PLAZA THAT I SENT THE PICTURES IN OF.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH OF A LOCATION THAT YOU COULD GET PROFESSIONAL OFFICES IN THERE, TAXES, TAX, YOU KNOW, TAX ACCOUNTANTS, LAWYERS, HAIR SALONS, NAIL SALONS, BOTOX, WHATEVER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
DID YOU LOOK AT POTENTIALLY, I KNOW YOU'D RATHER HAVE THE, THE ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, BUT AS YOU KNOW, SOUTHWESTERN
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IS A BAD ROAD.IT'S LEVEL OF SERVICE F FOR LEFT HAND TURNS.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE SOLES ROAD? I MEAN, I REALIZE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE REALLY PLACES THAT ARE DESTINATIONS AND NOT LIKE, WELL, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND, OH, I'M GONNA STOP.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT SOULS ROAD AS A POTENTIAL ENTRANCE? I MEAN, IF, IF WE HAD OUR PREFERENCE, WE'D HAVE ONE ON BOTH ROADS, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A PLAZA, THERE'S NO WAY THAT PLAZA WOULD BE MARKETABLE IF IT DIDN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, JOHN, JOHN MENTIONED SOME OF THE USES IN THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT, IF IT WAS ONLY MARKETABLE TO THE DESTINATIONS AND NOT DRIVE BY, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE LIMITED TO WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN RENT IT TO.
UM, JUST LET YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE TOWN HAD A MORATORIUM ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS FOR LAST, THIS PAST, THIS PAST YEAR THAT MORATORIUM HAS EXPIRED.
THE TOWN THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A GLUT OF RETAIL PLAZAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE TOWN.
WE PUT A MORATORIUM, THEY DID A LITTLE BIT OF STUDY, UM, AND THERE IS A LOT OF VACANCIES TO THE POINT THAT THEY WERE GONNA START CHANGING PROPERTIES.
BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE TOWN WAS NERVOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PLAZAS AND STUFF BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF BEING A HIGH VACANCY RATE OVER 10%.
NORMAL RATE IS, IS EIGHT TO 10.
BUT I THINK IT WAS APPROACHING A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER AND THE TOWN WAS GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT MORATORIUM IS OVER.
WE'RE BACK TO PROCESSING PROJECTS UNDER THE EXISTING LAW.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE, IF THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE CLEVER WITH THE APPROVAL AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL HAVE TO BE SOME CONDITIONS PLACED ON THAT.
AS YOU BRING IN USERS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GOT TO REVIEW IT, AND IF IT'S A USE USE THAT GENERATES MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GONNA BE SUITABLE FOR THE SITE, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE LIMITATIONS ON THE USE, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT HAPPEN ONCE WITH A
I MEAN, WE, WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THIS TYPE OF BUILDING.
SO OBVIOUSLY I THINK I WOULD BE THE ONE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT VACANCIES,
THERE'S A LOT UP IN THE MCKINLEY MALL AREA.
THERE WAS A LOT OF VACANCIES UP THERE.
THERE WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWED WHERE ALL THE VACANCIES WERE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, A VERY FAST MOVING THING.
A LOT OF IT WAS RETAIL SPACE THAT WAS AFFECTED AND, AND WENT AND WENT VACANT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE RETAIL SPACE IS OWNED BY IN THE TOWN, AND UNFORTUNATELY, BENDERSON SOMETIMES LETS PROJECTS GO FOR A WHILE UNTIL THEY FIND THE PERFECT TENANT.
SO WE HAD SOME HIGHER VACANCY RATES.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE TOWN BOARD LET THAT MORATORIUM GO AND THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOW ACTING UNDER THE EXISTING LAW AND PROCESSING.
WE'RE NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO PROCESS AND WHATEVER.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT, UH, IT'S DONE RIGHT AND WE GET THE BEST WE CAN FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND, AND DREW THIS IS, THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AS FAR AS, UH, LOOKING INTO VACANCY RATES AND COMMERCIAL VIABILITY.
THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN OF THIS PROJECT BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
DO WE WANNA PUT THIS ON OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JOHN AKA TO JANUARY 20TH, SECOND BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
AND BILL, THAT'S CONDITIONAL UPON THEM GETTING A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION IN, IN THE TIME PERIOD THAT'S REQUIRED.
RIGHT? WE'LL GIVE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FAIR WARNING IF THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOBCAT OF BUFFALO REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING
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EDITION AT 4 7 8 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, CHRIS WOOD WITH CARINA WOOD MORRIS, WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT, UH, WITH ME.
ON, ON, ON THE WEBEX IS, UH, TIM FROM, UH, BOBCAT OF BUFFALO.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 5,400 SQUARE FOOT EDITION EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE SITE.
BOBCAT OF BUFFALO IS LOOKING TO, TO PURCHASE THE SITE AND, UH, CHANGE THE USE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF, ONE OF THEIR, UH, SHOWROOMS AND, AND SALES FACILITIES.
UM, WE'D REUSE THE EXISTING CURB CUT, REUSE THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
THE, UH, THE BUILDING ADDITION WOULD BE ON THE BACK.
THE OVERHEAD DOORS WOULD BE FACING THE THROUGHWAY SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE.
AND, UM, IN THE FRONT WE WOULD, UH, PROPOSE A, UH, GRAVEL OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA FOR, FOR THE, UH, BOBCAT EQUIPMENT.
I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE TYPE OF TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THEY SELL.
AGAIN, TIM, TIM CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
ONCE WE, UH, ONCE WE GET PAST A COUPLE THINGS, UH, THE BACK PART OF THE SITE WOULD BE FENCED IN.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER GRAVEL SERVICE LOT.
UM, IT WOULD'VE A SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND IT WITH A GATE JUST TO KIND OF SECURE THAT AREA.
UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE THAT THE, THE 9.7 ACRES WE'RE ONLY DEVELOPING APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES OF THE 9.7 AND THE, THE REST WOULD REMAIN, REMAIN VACANT.
FOR NOW IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A ZONE C TWO, WHICH ALLOWS THIS TYPE OF USE.
UM, ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR IF TIM, YOU WANNA ADD SOME STUFF WITH REGARDS TO THE OPERATION OF FACILITY? YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD.
WE JUST, UH, WE'RE A EQUIPMENT DEALER SELLING NEW CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND, UH, THAT FACILITY WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS A GOOD LOCATION.
WE'VE LOOKED, UH, BEEN A BUNCH OF THE NEIGHBORING TOWNS IN THE SOUTH TOWNS.
WE JUST BUILT A NEW FACILITY HERE IN LOCKPORT AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO KIND OF REPLICATE WHAT WE DID, UH, HERE IN THE NORTH TOWNS, JUST ON A SMALLER SCALE IN THE SOUTH TOWNS TO SERVE THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY DOWN THERE.
SO, UM, SARAH CAMMY, OR DREW MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, CAN WE HAVE SALES DISPLAYS ON GRAVEL IN FRONT OF A BUILDING IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG? I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WE ALLOWED THAT.
I JUST TEXTED CAMMY AND ASKED HER THAT QUESTION.
LET ME, TIM, TIM, TIM CAN EXPLAIN WHY KIND OF THAT, THAT WOULD PROPOSE GRAVEL, JUST IT IS BASED ON THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WOULD'VE THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US ON BLACKTOP.
A LOT OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU SEE ON ROADWAYS AND STUFF, UM, DOZERS, THE HEAVIER EXCAVATORS WITH THE STEEL BROWSERS, UM, THEY JUST ABSOLUTELY ANNIHILATE ANY TYPE OF BLACKTOP, ANY SPINNING, EVEN A SKID STEER ON RUBBER TIRES.
UH, THE, THE NAME DEFINES IT, IT'S SKIDS TO STEER AND THEY JUST, THEY WREAK HAVOC ON BLACKTOP.
SO, UM, IDEALLY WE ALWAYS TRY AND PROMOTE, UH, OR BUILD WHEN WE'RE ON OUR DISPLAY AREAS.
GRAVEL, JUST, JUST BECAUSE BLACKTOP IS IS FOR US, WE JUST CANNOT GET THE STUFF TO LAST.
AND THEN YOU'RE STUCK WITH A PARKING LOT.
IT'S ALL CHUNKED UP AND SHOOT UP AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PATCH IT.
CAMMY UM, WELL I CAN'T SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ALLOWED AS FAR AS DISPLAYING EQUIPMENT.
THAT WOULD BE A, A CODE QUESTION.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, GRAVEL IS ACCEPTABLE.
IN FACT, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT MILLINGS, MILLINGS IS THE UNACCEPTABLE SURFACE MATERIAL IN THE TOWN.
WE'LL WANNA GET AN ANSWER TO THAT CODE QUESTION, OBVIOUSLY.
'CAUSE I I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD HAVE DISPLAYS ON GRAVEL, BUT IT MIGHT BE MILLINGS.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLINGS AND GRAVEL MILLING? MILLINGS IS RECYCLED BLACKTOP, BASICALLY IT'S JUST GROUND UP BLACKTOP, GRAVEL.
SO IT, IT TENDS TO BE LESS STABLE.
IT TENDS TO ALLOW MORE SINKING.
IT TENDS TO, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST BECAUSE OF LIKE THE TAR MATERIALS AND ASPHALT, IT TENDS TO ALMOST STICK TO VEHICLES MORE THAN, THAN ALLOW, THAT'S WHY THE TOWN DOESN'T ALLOW THEM.
THEY'VE HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS WITH YARDS AND UH, UH, AREAS LIKE THAT THAT USE MILLINGS.
I MEAN, IF GRAB GRAVEL GETS DISTURBED A LITTLE BIT, IF THERE'S RUTS THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY JUST PUSH IT RIGHT BACK AROUND AND IT, IT LAYS BACK DOWN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS
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BILL? IT'S JUST AN AESTHETIC ISSUE.AS LONG AS WE AESTHETICALLY ADDRESS THE GRAVEL, IT'S FINE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT AN APPEARANCE.
SARAH, WERE YOU ABLE TO TALK TO ROGER ABOUT THIS NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR NOT? YEAH, HE SAID THIS IS A PRINT, THIS IS A PERMITTED USE AND, UH, IT IS NOT, DOES NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP.
IT'S NOT AUTOMOBILE SALES AND SERVICE.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THOUGH TREATED ABOUT TO TALK TO ROGER, WE HAVE TREATED OTHER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, WHETHER THEY'RE EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, HE SAID WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY THE SAME.
HE SAID WHATEVER WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THEY ARE SELLING IS NOT CONSIDERED MOTOR.
IT'D ALMOST BE LIKE THAT LOE TRAILER PROJECT WE DID NOT THAT LONG AGO, I WOULD THINK.
BUT WE, WE CAN ALSO, I'LL, I'LL GET A POINT OUT TOO THAT WE CAN SUBMIT SOME PICTURES OF THEIR NEW FACILITY THEY JUST BUILT LOCK FOR TOO.
AND YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA WILL LOOK LIKE.
I KNOW THAT ONE BECAUSE I'M THE TOWN PLANNER IN THE TOWN OF LOCKPORT ALSO.
SO IF WE COULD GET SOME COLOR RENDERINGS I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OR, OR EXAM PICTURES TOO OF THE BUILDING AND THEN OF THE YARD.
SO THE BUILDING IS THE BUILDING ADDITION.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE COVERED UP BY THE MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE FRONT.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN GET YOU SOME ACTUAL PHOTOS OF THE BUILDINGS AND STUFF THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR LOCK FOUR FACILITY.
THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER REPRESENTATION ANYHOW BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ADDING TO AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THERE THAT'S HAD A LONG HISTORY OF DIFFERENT USERS AND UH, NOW IT'S GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA USE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN ADD AN ADDITION TO IT AND THEN ADD AN AREA TO STORE THE, THE, THE, THE STUFF YOU'RE SELLING.
ONCE WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN PORTION, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO SUBMIT SOME TYPE OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE COLORS, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN HARMONY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
TRAVEL DISPLAY AREA IS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL CHRIS IS WHAT YOU SAID? YEP.
NO, I SAID, I SAID THAT UH, THE ONE THAT DREW APPROVED IN LOCKPORT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
SO THIS ONE MUST BE BEAUTIFUL.
WE WANT IT TO BE, UH, MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN LOCKPORT.
SO, SO WITH REGARD TO THE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THE SERVICE PORTION OF THE LOT.
IS THAT GONNA BE STANDARD CHAIN LINK? IS IT CHAIN LINK WITH ANY KIND OF SCREENING BEHIND IT? YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE SLATS OR, UH, ANY FENCE FABRIC OR ANYTHING? OR IS THAT JUST STRAIGHT UH, STANDARD CHAIN LINK? RIGHT NOW IT'S STANDARD CHAIN LINK.
ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THAT FROM SOUTH PARK? UH, WELL THE DISPLAY AREA WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE, THE FENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, DISPLAY AREA.
UM, WHAT'S THAT? THE CHAIN LINK STORAGE AREA THOUGH? THAT'S, WELL WE CAN, IN THE, IN THE FRONT STRETCH ALONG SOUTH PARK, WE COULD PUT SLATS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE OTHER SCREENING MATERIAL THEY HAVE THAT YOU CAN USE WITH CHAIN LINK FENCE ON THERE.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, THEY'D BE ABLE TO PUT ANY, UH, TREES OR SHRUBBERY IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.
'CAUSE IT'S LINKED TO THE OTHER GRAVEL PAD, RIGHT? I MEAN THE GRAVEL, THE GRAVEL AREA IS GONNA BE ONE BIG AREA WITH A FENCE SEPARATING OUT THE SERVICE PORTION, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SOME SORT OF S SLOTTING OR SOMETHING IN THAT, IN THAT FENCE BECAUSE WHERE THERE'S NOT EQUIPMENT POSITIONED ON THE DISPLAY LOT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH.
OKAY, WELL WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
WE USUALLY DON'T ALLOW ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO THAT'S, UM, THAT BEING THE SERVICE AREA, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SERVICE AND STORAGE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON THAT TOO.
I THINK WE DO ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR C TWO, DON'T WE? DREW? YES, WE ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE HAS TO BE PROPERLY SCREENED AND WE, IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED, LIKE I SAID, IT'S LIKE DISPLAY AREA.
IT'S LIKE A AUTOMOTIVE DISPLAY AREA.
AND WE TRY TO HAVE IT SCREENED IF IT'S OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WE'LL WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THAT, THAT FRONT, UH, STRETCH OF FENCE THAT'S ALONG SOUTH PARK, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHEN WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT COMING BACK ON THIS ONE? UM, I, I'D PROBABLY SHOOT FOR THE SAME TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD ON
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BOBCAT TO BUFFALO? UM, YEAH, QUESTION.WHAT ARE YOU AT, WHAT, WHAT, UH, THE MAIN USE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT THAT'S ON SITE AND THE ADDITION, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA USE INSIDE THE BUILDING? WHATCHA GONNA, WHATCHA GONNA DO IN THERE INSIDE TIM? IN THE ADDITION, THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE USED AS SHOWROOM SPACE AND THEN THE ADDITION WOULD BE USED AS A SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND PARTS STORAGE.
IS THERE, ARE YOU GONNA BE DOING ANY MECHANICAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? ARE YOU REPAIR, YOU DO ANY REPAIR WORK INSIDE THAT BUILDINGS? YES SIR.
THAT WOULD BE OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
OH, I SAID NO, WHAT WAS IT? OH, YOU SAID NO.
UM, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BOBCAT OF BUFFALO TO JANUARY 20TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS ENCOMPASS ANIMAL HEALTH REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF A PROPOSAL TO OPERATE AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL AT 3 9 6 9 LEGION DRIVE.
NOW THIS ONE, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN THE USE.
THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO WE CAN CONSIDER WHETHER WE WANT TO GO MORE WITH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS OR, OR WAIVE IT TODAY.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT ON THE LINE? YES.
WHY DON'T YOU, UH, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT PLEASE? UM, WELL, MY NAME IS DR.
I CURRENTLY WORK AT OPERATION PETS, UM, THE SPAY NEUTER CLINIC.
AND WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO WITH ENCOMPASS IS KIND OF BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN, UM, A STRICTLY HIGH VOLUME SPAY NEUTER CLINIC AND A FULL SERVICE VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
UM, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY CLINIC OR 24 HOUR.
IT'S GONNA BE A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BUSINESS PRIMARILY.
UM, WE DON'T PLAN ON DOING ANY BOARDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE A FULL SERVICE VETERINARY HOSPITAL WOULD DO.
UM, WE DO PLAN ON HAVING HIGHER VOLUME SURGERY THAN MOST CLINICS, BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, OVERRUN OUR PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING? UM, NOT TO THE OUTSIDE, NO.
UM, WHEN I DO NEED TO TAKE OUT CARPETING AND PAINT AND THEN EVENTUALLY REMODEL THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, UM, BY REMOVING SOME WALLS AND MAKING SOME MORE OPEN SPACES TO MAKE IT MORE ADAPTABLE TO ANIMAL USE THAN HUMAN MEDICINE.
UM, BUT INITIALLY THE ONLY THING WE WOULD DO OUTSIDE, UM, PER THE SUGGESTION OF THE, UM, BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD BE TO ADD ON TO SOME OF THE DRAINAGE, UM, DOWNSPOUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, MOSTLY LIKE GUTTER AND JUST TO GET THE WATER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING MORE, UM, AND THEN CHANGE THE FACING OF THE SIGN, BUT NOT THE LOCATION OR THE TYPE OF SIGN IN THE FRONT TO REFLECT THE NEW BUSINESS AND NOT THE OLD DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
ANDREA, IS THE SIGN A PULSE SIGN OR A MONUMENT SIGN? IT'S A MONUMENT.
YEAH, THERE'S LIKE BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN IT IS LIT.
THERE'S A LIGHT CONTROL INSIDE FOR IT.
SO THE CHANGE OF USE IS SWITCHING IT FROM A PEOPLE DOCTOR TO AN ANIMAL DOCTOR? WELL, BASICALLY, YES.
UM, ANDREA WAS THAT, WAS THAT DR.
THANK NOW I I KNOW WHERE IT'S, THANK YOU, BILL.
ANY, UH, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, UH, WE GIVE HER A, UH, SITE PLAN WAIVER SINCE WE AREN'T, NOTHING'S REALLY BEING CHANGED THERE IN THE BUILDING WISE OR ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT ON THE PLANNING BOARD? I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THE SAME.
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THAT THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.SO HOW ABOUT WE DO IT THIS WAY? A MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO WAIVE SITE PLAN.
OKAY, SO, UM, WELL YOU DON'T NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF US ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO WE'RE WAIVING OUR REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO REVIEW.
SARAH WILL PUT A FORM TOGETHER THAT'S SIGNED BY BILL, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN ENGINEER TO SAY THAT IT'S OKAY TO ISSUE A SITE PLAN WAIVER IN ANY CONDITIONS FOR THAT.
SO SARAH WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU ON THAT, RIGHT, SARAH? YEAH, ANDREA, JUST, UH, CONTACT ROGER GIBSON AND TELL HIM THAT A WAIVER WAS AUTHORIZED AND THEN I WILL BACK YOU UP AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT DONE.
SO THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING ON THE WORK SESSION.
SO WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
UH, WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISES FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I DON'T HAVE A FLAG READY, SO EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO FIND ONE IN THEIR HOUSE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SHAW HEATING AND COOLING, REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 5 8 3 3 CAMP ROAD.
NOW THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND THEY WERE IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS YESTERDAY.
HOW DID THAT GO? THEY GOT, THEY WERE APPROVED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, THIS WAS, IT'S A SMALL ADDITION AND, UH, THE ONLY REASON WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING IS BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE.
JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IS NOT HOW I SPELL MY LAST NAME, RIGHT,
SO NO RELATION DIFFERENT SPELLING? YES.
WHO HAS THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'VE GOT IT.
UH, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY SHAW HEATING AND COOLING TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING EDITION AT 5 8 3 3 CAMP ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM VIA WEBEX AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ME OPEN UP THE FACEBOOK PAGE TO SEE IF WE'VE GOT ANY COMMENTS.
ANY COMMENTS SO FAR? OH, DOUG, OR BILL, WE LOST YOU.
SARAH, WAS THERE ANYBODY CALLING IN TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? NO.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT ON MY COMPUTER, SO NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
UH, GUESS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE THING.
UM, IS ANYBODY HERE FOR, FOR OR AGAINST SHAW HEATING AND COOLING, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON SHAW HEATING AND COOLING FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS RELATING TO THE SHAW HEATING AND COOLING? ADDITION BEING NO COMMENTS? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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APPROVALS FOR THIS ONE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE US TO, BUT I SUPPOSE IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE IT, YOU COULD, YOU PROBABLY COULD APPROVE IT.UM, IT'S SAYS TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKERS.
SO JUST NOTE UNDER ON THE RECORD, IT'S A VERY SMALL ADDITION.
TYPICALLY WE DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER, BUT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S JUST A SIMPLE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY CONDITIONS.
UH, AND THERE NO, NO COMMENTS FROM CAMMIE.
SO, NO, THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS FROM CAMMY.
I THOUGHT ABOUT DARK GUY COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
AND THAT SHE HAD NO OTHER COMMENTS,
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SHAW HEATING AND COOLING ADDITION SUBJECT TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED DECEMBER 16TH, 2020.
A WA UH, THE ENGINEERING LETTER IS DATED NOVEMBER 16TH.
WE GOT AN, WE HAVE, I'M GOING WITH DECEMBER.
OH, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE? THERE'S AN UPDATED ONE FROM, UM, DECEMBER 11TH.
I DID THINK WE GOT IT FOR TODAY.
YEAH, WE GOT ONE ON THE 16TH AND WE GOT ANOTHER ONE ON THE 11TH.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, UH, THE AUTHORIZATION TO REFLECT THE UPDATED ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LETTER.
MOTION TO AMEND BY MR. MCCORMICK.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING FOR GULL'S GARDEN CENTER REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING GREENHOUSE AT 5 7 6 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
OH, THIS ADDITION'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE LAST ONE, BUT SAME TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE IT'S HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
THEY RECEIVED THAT LAST NIGHT.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? JUST NOTE THAT IT'S THE GREENHOUSE EDITION AND A POLL BARN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE SAYING ANYTHING, MR. GULLO.
DID THE, DID THE ZONING BOARD SAY ANYTHING ON THIS, SARAH? YEAH, HE GOT, HE GOT HIS VARIANCE.
LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YOU WANT ME TO READ THE NOTICE? YES.
AND, AND JUST SO EVERYBODY AWARE, SAME AS THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, IF THERE'S NO, WE, IF THERE ARE COMMENTS, THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL END UP KEEPING IT OPEN FOR TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN GET MORE COMMENTS.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY GULL'S GARDEN CENTER TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING GREENHOUSE AT 47 67 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM VIA WEBEX AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON GULLS GARDEN CENTER EDITION OF A GREENHOUSE AND POLE BARN.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? UM, IF, AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING AT HOME, YOU CAN PUT COMMENTS IN THE FACEBOOK FEED FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYONE FOR OR AGAINST THE GULLS GARDEN CENTER, UH, PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS RELATING TO THIS ADDITION? I'M NOT SEEING ANY COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY LETTERS OR PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, CORRECT,
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SARAH? THAT IS CORRECT.SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON GULL'S GARDEN CENTER.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES DOING THE SAME THING WE JUST DID FOR SHAW HEATING AND COOLING? UM, BILL, THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT YOU HAVE TO DO, BILL, IS THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION ON YOUR SEEKER.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES AND WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT PART TWO OF THE AF TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A NEG DECK.
AND THEN ALSO THINK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWS OF ANY CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD WANT PLACE ON THIS.
IF YOU WANNA ACT ON THIS TONIGHT, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS YOU'D HAVE TO DO.
SO I WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT, OR WE CAN DO IT IN THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY AND HAVE THE CONSULTANTS DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR SPEAKER AND THE SITE PLAN.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION? SO, SO JOE, SO I GET THIS TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE TWO, THIS PROCESS IF IN ORDER FOR US, IF WE DECIDE TO WAIVE THE SITE PLAN HERE, WELL, WE CAN'T WAVE THE SITE PLAN ON THIS.
IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN THE LAST PROJECT.
IT'S OVER OVER A CERTAIN SIZE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIG ADDITION.
SO IT'S ALSO, HE'S JUST, HE'S JUST SAYING THAT YOU, WE'VE GOTTA DO SEEKER, UNLIKE THE LAST ONE.
YOU HAVE TO DO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND WE CAN'T DO A WAIVER LIKE THE LAST ONE.
WE DIDN'T WAIVE SITE PLAN IN THE LAST, I MEAN THAT SITE PLAN.
NO, WE, UM, MR. GULLO, ARE YOU OKAY WITH IF, IF, IF WE DID THIS TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT? ARE YOU OR YOU WANNA START WORK SOON? IT'S ACTUALLY THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
YEAH, WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU MR. GULLO.
IS HE MUTED ON HIS PHONE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I SEE HIS MOUTH MOVING.
RUSS, YOU CAN TEXT ME IF YOU WANT TO.
YOU CAN TEXT ME THOUGH, RIGHT? CAN'T HEAR YOU MR. CARL, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I THINK IT'S A POOR INTERNET CONNECTION BECAUSE YEAH, HE KEEPS, HE KEEPS CUTTING OUT TOO.
WELL, LET'S JUST, YOU WANT, BECAUSE THERE'S A SEEKER.
DO DO YOU WANT ME TO TEXT HIM? YOU CAN, BUT I, I THINK I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WILL AUTHORIZE THE TOWN PLANNERS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS ON GULL'S EDITION FOR OUR MEETING ON JANUARY 6TH.
SECOND, SARAH? YEAH, I THINK HE'S CALLING YOU.
SO WE'LL COME BACK ON THE SIXTH.
UM, MR. GULLAH WOULDN'T NEED TO APPEAR IF AS LONG AS THERE'S NO CHANGES.
AND THEN WE CAN GO OVER, UH, THE EAF AND THEN DEAL WITH SEEKER.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO MULTI-FIT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL USE AT THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 1 1 0 ST.
OH, WE, WE'VE HAD THIS IN FRONT OF US A FEW TIMES.
WE WE GOT A LETTER ON THE PARKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH, OKAY.
SO LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES.
HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BUFFALO MULTI-FIT TO OPERATE A WINE BAR IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 41 10 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM VIA WEBEX AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
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UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BUFFALO MULTI-FIT.UH, I KNOW WE DID GET A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT ON PARKING.
SARAH, DID WE GET ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCES ON THIS PROJECT? I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
SO IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT, WHERE THEY'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL USE OF A WINE BAR AT THEIR CURRENT LOCATION ON ST.
FRANCIS, UH, PLEASE TYPE A COMMENT INTO THE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYBODY WITH AN OPINION FOR OR AGAINST BUFFALO MULTI-FIT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE WITH ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT PROJECT? BEING THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GIVE THEM A MINUTE.
'CAUSE ON FACEBOOK IT WAS JUST STARTING TO SAY THAT WE ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I GUESS I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT IT WE'RE UP TO 27 VIEWERS ON FACEBOOK, SO PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.
MINE SHOWS 26 AND THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT FOR ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WAS FRANK TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING? I THINK HE WAS.
MINE SHOWS 26 AND CONSISTENT PUBLIC HEARING.
SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN TO IT LIVE.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PAST THE PART WHERE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED, SO, UM, STILL NO COMMENTS.
I THINK IT IS SAFE TO CLOSE THE PUFF, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE GRAPH RESOLUTION FOR THIS PROJECT, CORRECT? YES YOU DO? YES.
SO DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE RESOLUTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE RESOLUTIONS? JUST, IT'S JUST THE ONE RESOLUTION, CORRECT? 'CAUSE IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
KAMI, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EXTERNAL CHANGES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THIS IS JUST THE PARKING LAYOUT CORRECT.
WAS THE CHANGE OF USE, LEMME MAKE SURE I'M NOT YEAH, YEAH.
THE CHANGE OF USE INSIDE THE BUILDING, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING AND OUR PARKING QUESTIONS WERE RELATED TO US TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL USE.
SO THERE ARE NO ENGINEERING COMMENTS.
SO, UM, BUFFALO MULTI-FIT 4 1 1 0 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT PROJECT, WHICH IS INVOLVES ADDING AN ADDITIONAL USE TO THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 1 1 0 ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020.
PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT PROJECT.
SECOND BY MR. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BROADWAY GROUP LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS PROJECT IN FRONT OF US, UH, PLENTY OF TIMES, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
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COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE WANNA PUT UP THE CURRENT SITE PLAN AND SCREEN SHARE IT, UM, FOR FOLKS DURING THIS OR PUT IT UP BEFORE OR THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA? DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY? I DO NOT, BUT MAYBE MEGAN DOES.I WAS JUST PULLING IT UP MYSELF.
I HAVE MY, I HAVE MY NOTICE UP TO READ
I'VE GOT RESOLUTIONS ON MY PHONE AND I HAVE IT.
I'M CLEARLY A POOR SECRETARY AND MEGAN SHOULD BE THE PLANNING BOARD SECRETARY.
I'M JUST GOOD AT READING THE NOTICES HERE.
CHRIS WOOD JUST TEXTED ME THAT DAVE MANKO IS SITTING IN ROOM SEVEN WAITING FOR THE MEETING TO START.
AND THERE'S FOUR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AS WELL.
SO, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
UM, CAN CHRIS WOOD FIND OUT FROM DAVE VANKO WHAT PROJECTS THOSE FOUR OTHER PEOPLE ARE THERE? YEAH, CHRIS IS ASKING HIM.
NOW IF THE APPLICANT TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION STATEMENT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN DO THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN FOR, UM, ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS TARA MATHIAS WITH THE BROADWAY GROUP.
WE'RE THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER, UM, THAT IS WORKING ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL.
UM, I SEE THAT, UH, WE HAVE DISPLAYED SOME, UH, MATERIALS HERE.
I DID PREPARE, UM, A SHORT, UH, SLIDE PRESENTATION, UM, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GONE OVER IN THE LAST, UM, SERIES OF MEETINGS SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND I, I FIGURED THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAD, UM, DIALED IN TO HEAR ABOUT THE PROJECT TONIGHT.
SO, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UM, SHARE MY SCREEN, UM, WITH SOME OF THESE SLIDES AND USE THOSE AS WE'RE WALKING THROUGH SOME OF MY, UM, INTRODUCTION COMMENTS.
SO YOU'RE MUTED, BUT I THINK THAT'S A YES AND MUTED.
WHICH I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE SO THERE'S NO FEEDBACK, BILL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ON MY PHONE PHONE, THEY'RE TALKING ALL THE TIME, BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA FINALLY GET BACK TO TOWN HALL, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT AVENUES TO SEND ME THESE PICTURES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ONES THAT, THAT MEGAN SHARED.
WE ALREADY HAVE THESE NEW ONES.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, TARA EMAIL THEM TO SARAH AND SARAH CAN EMAIL THEM TO ALL OF US.
WE, WE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE EMAILED THE TOWN HALL ANYWAY SO WE CAN BE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THIS FILE ANYWAY.
SO, UM, JUST BRIEFLY, AS I SAID, TO RECAP THE PROJECT, SINCE WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC JOINING US, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, I WANTED TO JUST DO A QUICK INTRO TALK ABOUT THE SITE LOCATION, SOME OF THE ZONING HIGHLIGHTS, OUR DESIGN, UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS OF HOW WE EVEN GOT TO THIS POINT BECAUSE, UM, I'VE, THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT OURSELVES, HAVE DONE, UM, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET US TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE AT TODAY.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A APPROXIMATE 8,900 SQUARE FOOT FREESTANDING SINGLE, UM, SINGLE TENANT RETAIL STORE, UM, AS IT HAS BEEN DISCLOSED ALREADY PUBLICLY.
UM, WE ARE PROVIDING OUR CONVENIENT NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS TO A GENERAL VARIETY OF GOODS THAT IS ONE OF THE, UM, MAIN, UH, HALLMARKS OF THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORES TO PROVIDE A CONVENIENT SHOPPING, UM, LOCATION.
IT IS NOT A DESTINATION STORE.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST FOR SOME OF THOSE QUICK, UM, YOU KNOW, LAST A MINUTE PURCHASES THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, UM, CREATING EIGHT TO 10 JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE, UM, HAVE PROVIDED AN EN ENHANCED BUILDING DESIGN ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY
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SEE FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING TO BEAUTIFY, UM, THE AREA AND TO RESTORE SOME OF THE, UH, VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE REMOVED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT, UM, AND GOES, SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T GO WITHOUT BEING NOTED, IT IS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SUSTAINABLE, UM, TAX REVENUE BASE FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY COULD IMPLEMENT SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT I KNOW ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE EVEN HAVE COME UP OVER THE COURSE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT MAY NOT BE IN OUR PURVIEW TO CORRECT, BUT THE, THE, UM, THE BOARD AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THE PROJECT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HETS ROAD.
SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IS A OC MANAGED ROAD, AND HETS ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C TWO, WHICH IS THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA, COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREA, AND THE, UM, USE OF A RETAIL STORE IS ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
UM, THIS MAP JUST GIVES A QUICK LOOK AT SOME OF THE NEARBY NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE AREA, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S ATTRACTIVE TO OUR CLIENT BECAUSE WE DO WANNA SERVE THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS.
UM, IT ALSO IS AN AREA THAT HAS A MIXED USE WHERE THERE ARE SOME OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA.
THIS SLIDE I WANTED TO INCLUDE BECAUSE IT DID GO INTO, UM, THE CONCEPT OF HOW WE DESIGNED THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING OVER, UM, AFTER RECEIVING A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, AND LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.
AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
ALL OF THESE ARE WITHIN A FEW TENTHS OF A MILE OF OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A SURPRISE, UM, AND MAYBE AN UNWELCOME SURPRISE TO SOME OF THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS SURROUNDING OUR PROPOSED SITE THAT THE AREA IS ZONED C TWO, THAT GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND SO I WANTED TO SHOW ON THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING MAP, UM, HOW THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION OF THE TOWN HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR COMMERCIAL USE AND IT IS VERY CONDENSED.
IT'S A VERY CONDENSED AREA, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS AREA OF TOWN ALSO WANTS TO REMAIN AS RURAL AND RESIDENTIAL AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO THIS IS A VERY CONDENSED AREA WHERE COMMERCIAL USES HAVE BEEN, UM, BASICALLY A ASSIGNED TO TO BE ESTABLISHED.
AND THAT IS WHY WE DID, UM, SPECIFICALLY LOOK IN THIS AREA FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU DID SEE A MOMENT AGO A, UM, A SNAPSHOT OF THE LAYOUT.
I HAVE ONE HERE AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, LIKE THE CONFIGURATION, UM, THE ACTUAL GEOGRAPHY OF OUR LOT, I KNOW THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, DIFFICULT TO SEE.
IT'S KIND OF A SMALL IMAGE, BUT JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS ABOUT, UM, THE PROJECT ARE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL LOT IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS.
UM, WE HAVE DESIGNED IT TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND WE'RE PROVIDING 30 PAR PARKING STALLS, WHICH ARE SUFFICIENT FOR THE OPERATION OF THIS BUSINESS.
UM, WE HAVE INCORPORATED A PRIVACY FENCE AND LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE ABUTTING AGAINST SOME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS AND WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE WANT TO, UM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, A STORE AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, IS NOT CREATING, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UNPLEASANT FOR THE, UM, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND US.
SO THOSE BUFFERS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE HAVE A STORMWATER TREATMENT AND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA COMPLY WITH YOUR, UM, NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF, UM, ECON, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION.
WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CAUSING ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE STORMWATER OR EROSION IN THE AREA.
AND ALSO PROTECT ANY OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AS THAT, AS THE SITE IS DEVELOPED, WE WOULD BE CONNECTING TO PUBLIC WATER THROUGH ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY AND WE WOULD BE PROPOSING AN ONSITE WASTE, UM, WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM THAT WOULD AGAIN, BE, UM, UP TO THE NY UM, UH, DEC STANDARDS AS WHERE, AS WELL AS THE ERIE COUNTY STANDARDS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD BE THERE.
I WANNA ALSO NOTE ON THIS POINT, UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE SURPRISING TO SOME PEOPLE, WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT, UM, WATER USAGE OR WASTEWATER, UM, TREATMENT, A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE USES LESS WATER AND IT DISCHARGES LESS, UM, WASTEWATER THAN A RESIDENTIAL.
A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD WHERE WE WOULD USE ONLY 200
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GALLONS, UH, OF WATER A DAY.AND SO IF THIS LOT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED FOR SOME OTHER USE, UM, IT MIGHT AND WOULD LIKELY, UM, REQUIRE EVEN MORE UTILIZATION OF THOSE RESOURCES THAN OUR STORE WOULD.
THIS QUICK SNAPSHOT, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE ARE MEETING THE SETBACK, UM, DIMENSIONS AND IN SOME PLACES, IN FACT, IN MOST CASES WE'RE EXCEEDING THEM.
WE HAVE, UM, TRIED TO TWEAK THE DESIGN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE AS MUCH BUFFERING OF SPACE, UM, BETWEEN US AND OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THE SETBACKS FOR THE, UM, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
OVER THE COURSE OF, UM, MULTIPLE MEETINGS, WE DID, UM, LEARN OF COURSE FROM THE BOARD THAT A GD ROOF WAS GONNA BE A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, ASPECT OF OUR DESIGN FOR THE STORE.
AND SO WE DID GO THROUGH A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF COST AND TO PROVIDE THAT.
THE GABLE ROOF DESIGN OF A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
THEY DO NOT, THEY ARE NOT OFFERING THIS DESIGN OF STORE WHEN THEY GO THROUGH APPROVING SITES REALLY ANY LONGER.
AND SO FORTUNATELY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT FAR IN THE HISTORY, AND THERE ARE STILL SOME SITES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, THEY HAD BEEN APPROVED BEFORE AND THEY'RE BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM OF THE NEED, UH, FOR THIS.
AND OF COURSE, UM, THEY WERE VERY MUCH MOTIVATED.
WE, WE ALL ARE MOTIVATED, UM, TO MAKE THIS SITE AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'VE ADDED HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ON THIS PARTICULAR VIEW IS ALL THE TREES THAT WE WOULD BE PRESERVING, THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING ON THE SITE, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AS PART OF THE, UM, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO HAS A LOT OF MATURE TREES.
THIS SIDE VIEW IS JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
SO YOU COULD SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO DO A, SOME, SOME MIXTURE OF MATERIALS JUST TO BREAK UP THE LONG PLANE OF THE, THE SIDE OF THE STORE.
UM, SO WE DID ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE BRICK TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE STORE JUST TO KIND OF BRING IT DOWN TO SCALE, UM, SO THAT IT DOES FIT WELL INTO THE CHARACTER AND THE SCALE OF THE COMMUNITY JUST, UM, TO, TO RECAP SOME OF THE KEY DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD COLLABORATION ON THIS.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY AGAIN THAT I, I'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED AND EXCITED EACH TIME WHEN I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOTTEN CLOSER TO THE TARGET OF WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND THIS, I THINK, SUMMARIZES ALL THOSE HOT TOPICS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUSH ON AND EVENTUALLY GET TO THIS PLACE IN THE PROJECT.
ONE OF THE VERY IMPORTANT, UM, ASPECTS WAS THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE EXISTING TREES.
UM, AND SO WE TWEAKED THAT SITE UNTIL WE COULD SAVE SEVEN MORE FEET, AND THAT SEVEN MORE FEET THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE ALONG HEALTHS ROAD, UM, EARNED US 20 TREES THAT WE COULD SAVE 20 RELATIVELY MATURE TREES.
WE ALL ALONG HAVE BEEN PLANNING TO PRESERVE A, A VERY DENSE THICKET OF TREES THAT WERE IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PROPERTY CORNER AS WELL.
AND THAT KIND OF GOES WHERE SOME OF THE, UM, THE CORNERS OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES KIND OF COME TOGETHER.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG, UM, DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS TO TRY TO COMPLIMENT THE RULE AND RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THE ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH WE JUST WENT THROUGH AND YOU SAW AN IMAGE OF, WE HAVE THE GABLE ROOF, WE'VE PROVIDED WINDOWS.
WE, UM, HAVE SOME DECORATIVE AWNINGS AND DECORATIVE LIGHTING, THE NEUTRAL COLORS, UM, NOTHING LOUD OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA STAND OUT NECESSARILY.
AND THEN THE PANEL AND BRICK FACADE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA.
WE ADDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE REMOVING SOME OF THE VEGETATION THAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THAT SITE OVER TIME.
UM, WHAT MAY BE SURPRISING TO YOU ALL, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA IS THAT IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN, UM, A, A DENSELY UM, VEGETATED SITE.
IN FACT, UM, AERIAL VIEWS UP TO 1985 SHOW THAT THE SITE WAS MOSTLY CLEARED.
AND SO, UM, THIS IS, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A VIRGIN WILDERNESS.
IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR, ITS HAD OTHER USES, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SEVERAL DECADES AGO, BUT IT, IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN AS, UM, DENSELY PO YOU KNOW, VEGETATED AS IT IS NOW.
SO WE WOULD BASICALLY, UH, PROPOSE TO ADD BACKS, 19 TREES AND 77 SHRUBS.
UM, GIVING SOMETHING A LOOK THAT KIND OF HAS, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR OVERARCHING TREE CANOPY AND THEN THAT UNDERSTORY WE WOULD FILL IN WITH SOME OF THE PLANTS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
WE HAVE, UM, SCREENED THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL USES.
WE KNOW THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
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THAT AND WE ARE SYMPATHETIC TO IT.UM, I DEFINITELY TRY TO PUT MY PLATE MYSELF IN OTHER PEOPLE'S SHOES.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT WOULD I, WHAT WOULD I WANT? UM, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT WANT MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN THE DEVELOPER CAN OFFER, BUT I WOULD AT LEAST WANT SOMETHING.
AND IN THIS CASE WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS, UM, A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
AND THEN, UM, WE WOULD DO, WE'RE DOING SEVERAL, UM, EVERGREEN TREES ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
UM, THOSE TREES WOULD BE, UM, GROWING TO A HEIGHT TO OF 10, UH, EXCUSE ME, 12 TO 15 FEET AT MATURITY AND, UM, WOULD PROVIDE A VERY NICE DENSE SCREEN BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND OUR PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, PRESENTED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SITE LIGHTING HERE.
UM, AND WE OF OF COURSE AGREED AS THE BOARD REQUESTED AND INDICATED TO US THAT THE LIGHTING SHOULD BE TURNED OFF, UM, AFTER STORE HOURS.
AND ANOTHER KEY CONSIDERATION THAT WE ALL, UM, I THINK WE'RE WORKING HARD TOWARDS AND REALLY IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER, UM, WAS THE SAFE ACCESS.
WE, UM, HAVE PRESENTED THE FINAL PLAN SHOWING THE ACCESS ON HEALTH ROAD, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ROAD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE IT FIRST STARTED OFF.
UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH SDOT ABOUT THEIR POLICY FOR ACCESS OF CORNER PROPERTIES.
UM, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEY GAVE A FORMAL, UM, RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE SAFER ON THE COUNTY ROAD, UM, WHICH CORROBORATED WHAT SDOT HAD INDICATED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS STILL, UH, VERY, UM, MAYBE A A LITTLE BIT ON THE, ON THE, UM, FENCE ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE ACCESS POINT.
AND SO THE, UM, BROADWAY GROUP TOOK THE EXTRA STEP OF, UM, OF GETTING A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY COMPLETED ON A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND I MIGHT ADD, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT VERY EASY TO GET SOMETHING DONE LIKE THIS IN A WEEK AND A HALF.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD A, A, A GOOD PARTNER THAT WAS ABLE TO, UM, MAKE A SITE VISIT TO THE AREA, DO THE TRAFFIC COUNTS.
UM, HE DID THE, THE GAP DATA, UM, SPEED MEASUREMENTS, SITE MEASUREMENTS, AND HE TOOK SOME OPERATIONAL DATA, UM, SPECIFICALLY LIKE LOOKING AT THE ANGLE OF THE INTERSECTION AT HEZ ROAD AND, UM, AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE COULDN'T QUITE, UM, KIND OF MOVE PAST.
IT SEEMED TO BE AN UNDERLYING CONCERN THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE A SAFE INTERSECTION.
UM, SO GTS COMPLETED THE, THE REPORT FOR US.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE WRAPPED IT UP ON SUNDAY, UM, WHICH WAS OF TOO LATE TO GET IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, FOR REVIEW AT THIS MEETING.
BUT I DID JUST GIVE A LITTLE SNIPPET OF THE CONCLUSION.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT IT WOULD BE A, UM, A MINOR TRAFFIC GENERATOR WITH NO IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.
THERE ARE AMPLE GAPS, UM, TO ALLOW CARS TO, UM, EXIT SAFELY ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS MAYBE AN ATYPICAL, UM, INTERSECTION IN TERMS OF THE ANGLE OF THE INTERSECTION, BECAUSE THERE ARE, SO THE SITE DISTANCES ARE SO SIGNIFICANT, THEY'RE SO LONG IN, IN THE SITE DISTANCE IS SO OPEN THAT THERE REALLY ARE NO CONCERNS OF SAFETY IN THAT REGARD.
AND SO HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION WAS THAT, UM, AND NO MITIGATION MEASURES WERE RECOMMENDED.
AND OF COURSE, THAT'S AN OPINION BASED, NOT JUST ON HIS OWN, UH, ASSESSMENT, BUT ALSO ON STANDARDS, INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
AND THEN FINALLY, I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES LEFT.
I WANNA JUST, UM, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE LOOKED AT IS, ARE WE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AND SO, UM, I WENT THROUGH THE MAIN POINTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND OF COURSE, UNDERNEATH THOSE MAIN BULLET POINTS, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN DIFF UH, DIFFERENT, LIKE MORE DETAILED OBJECTIVES OR, OR IDEAS.
BUT THE FIRST ONE WAS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT OPEN SPACE LANDS AND CONSERVATION AREAS.
OUR SITE DOES NOT FALL WITHIN A CONSERVATION AREA, BUT WE DID MAKE AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE THE, THE NEW GROWTH OF TREES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY'VE ONLY BEEN THERE SINCE MAYBE BETWEEN 1985 AND 1995 BASED OFF OF HISTORICAL AERIAL MAPS OF THE AREA.
SO, UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RELATIVELY NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF BEING A, A TREE LOT.
BUT OF COURSE, WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER AND CONSERVE THE LAND AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
YOU WANTED AN, YOU WANTED TO ENCOURAGE BALANCED GROWTH FOR DIVERSE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, UM, FOR ALL INCOME,
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INCOME AND AGE LEVELS.UM, SO WHAT WE, UM, ARE OFFERING, OF COURSE IS A A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AND IT SERVES THE NEEDS OF, UM, OF A WHOLE HOUSEHOLD.
SO, UM, DEFINITELY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON A PRIME COMMERCIAL.
IT'S DESIGNATED IN THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT SERVES THOSE LOCAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY-WIDE NEEDS.
AND SINCE WE ARE IN THIS KIND OF MIXED USE GENERAL BUSINESS AREA, UM, WE DID GO AHEAD OF COURSE AND PROVIDE THE BUFFERING ALONG THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FITTING INTO THE CHARACTER OF THAT MIXED USE AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT IS COMMERCIAL, AS WE HAVE, UM, NOTED, YOU KNOW, ON ABUNDANT, ABUNDANT, UM, TIMES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S COMMERCIAL, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA.
UM, YOU WANTED TO PROMOTE AN EFFICIENT UTILIZATION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT OF FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, OUR SMALL COMMERCIAL USE DOES NOT HAVE AN IMPACT OR HAS A SMALL IMPACT ON THE EXISTING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND IT'S SUFFICIENT TO MANAGE THE OPERATIONS OF OUR STORE.
I MENTIONED THE LOW FLOW WATER USAGE, UM, AND WASTEWATER THAT WE GENERATE.
AND OF COURSE, THE ELECTRICAL USE THAT WE, UM, WE CONSUME, IT DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A LARGE IMPACT TO, UM, TO THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.
UM, YOU WANNA PROTECT YOUR NATURAL RESOURCES BY RESPECTING THE DEVELOPMENT LIMITATIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
UM, WHILE THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, UM, CERTAINLY WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES OF THE DEC FOR OUR STORM WATER TREATMENT AND, UM, MANAGEMENT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE EROSION AND SEDIMENT, UM, CONTROLS THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE STANDARDS AS WELL.
UM, IMPROVE AND CREATE AN INTEGRATED TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
UM, WHILE WE MAY NOT BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SOME SORT OF MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, UM, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT THAT, UM, SECTION WAS MOSTLY GEARED TOWARDS, UM, THERE WAS A SNIPPET IN THERE, UM, THAT THE TOWN HAS A PREFERENCE FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT ALONG DEVELOPED HIGHWAYS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND AS WE DID REVIEW ON THAT SAFE, UM, ACCESS SLIDE, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, THREE, UM, INDEPENDENT REVIEWS BY PROFESSIONALS AND EACH ONE HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ACCESS ON THE COUNTY ROAD IS, UM, THE SAFEST OPTION.
AND THEN FINALLY TO PROTECT, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC CHARACTER OF THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES.
SO, UM, OF NOTE, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF THE USE, UM, AS WELL AS THE SETBACKS.
UM, ONE OF THE, UM, COMMENTS THAT MADE EARLY ON TO ME, AND I HAVE TO SAY IT MADE AN IMPRESSION ON ME, UM, JUST IN MY CAREER GOING FORWARD AND NOT JUST IN THIS SITE, IS DO YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SITE THAT MEETS THE ZONING CRITERIA, BUT IS IT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND CAN YOU FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT BETTER? AND SO WE DID, UM, WE, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT.
WE PROVIDED, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE GABLE ROOF AND THE WINDOWS, THE FACADE MATERIALS AND COLORS WERE SELECTED.
UM, TRYING TO, TO FIT IN AND, AND BE A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS PRESERVING THE TREES THAT ARE THERE ALREADY ON THE LOT, WERE ALL SPECIFIC, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE MADE TO, UM, TO MEET THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS PROVIDED TO US OVER THE COURSE OF THESE SEVERAL MEETINGS.
SO, UM, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
AGAIN, I KNOW FOR THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UM, THIS WAS PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT, BUT, UM, AS I SAID, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE THIS EVENING WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO, UM, REVIEW WITH THEM ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, WITH, WITH US AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AT, AT OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT A LETTER TO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT A FEW MEETINGS.
WE DID SEND THE LETTER THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK THAT WENT OUT ON PROBABLY THE, THE FOURTH OR MAYBE MONDAY THE SEVENTH, DECEMBER 7TH, UM, ON MONDAY THE SEVENTH.
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RIGHT? UH, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE, UH, BUT UH, THE REVIEW, THE BASIC OF THAT LETTER WAS WE WANTED, UH, SOMETHING A BIT MORE DETAILED ABOUT THE DECISION FOR HEALTH INSTEAD OF SOUTHWESTERN.IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THEY DON'T WANT THE CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN BECAUSE IT'S A POLICY, NOT SO MUCH THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY LOOKED AT, LOOKED AND DETERMINED TO BE SAFER.
UM, SO WE WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KIND OF GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT, SO WE WILL NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE WHO WATCH THIS MEETING OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, OR I GUESS THREE WEEKS, BECAUSE OUR NEXT MEETING'S JANUARY 6TH, SO THAT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, UH, WILL STILL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT COMMENTS BY EMAIL OR LETTER.
UH, WE'VE DONE THAT ON MOST PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PANDEMIC, WHERE THERE'VE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON HOW TO FAIRLY LET THE PUBLIC, UH, KINDA APPEAR AT THIS MEETING.
MOST PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE TAKING, TAKEN ON FACEBOOK, BUT WE DID ALLOW THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS TO ACTUALLY APPEAR ON THE WEBEX.
UH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE THERE AND STILL WANTED TO BE ON, BUT WE HAD TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE THAT ALLOWED US TO TECHNICALLY BE ABLE TO DO IT AND, UH, AND STILL ALLOW, ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK CAROL, BASICALLY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, WE WILL BE TAKING COMMENTS ON THIS IN WHATEVER FORM PEOPLE CAN GET THEM TO US.
DID EVERYBODY GET A LETTER FROM SUPERVISOR TODAY OR DID THAT JUST GO TO ME? I WAS JUST TO YOU.
IT WENT TO YOU AND IT WENT TO ME.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE'LL DO, THE, THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN GAVE A LETTER, UM, I, I WON'T READ IT INTO THE RECORD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA READ LETTERS FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, BASICALLY HE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF HEALTH ROAD, UH, IS THE SUBJECT OF THE LETTER THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD ON THIS, JUST AS THE LETTERS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE GONNA BE PART OF THE RECORD.
UH, AS WE DISCUSSED IN SOME OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAD DIFFERENT, UH, OFFICIALS WEIGH IN, UH, SUPERVISOR'S NOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD, HIS OPINION IS GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF WEIGHT AS THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO WE, WE WELCOME HIS OPINION AND WE WELCOME EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
SO CAN WE
SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO, IT SHOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE, SO IF PEOPLE WANNA BE ABLE TO READ IT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
I'LL BE FORWARDING IT TOMORROW, DENNIS TO YOU GUYS.
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS SENT LATE TODAY FROM HIS OFFICE.
UH, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DISTRIBUTE IT.
BILL WAS THE LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS DID EVERYBODY GIVES IT A LETTER FROM THE CAB? NO, I THINK HE JUST SENT IT TO YOU AND CC'D ME.
UM, I HAD FORWARDED IT TO SARAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE SHARED THAT OR REALIZED THAT IT, THE WHOLE BAG.
I I DIDN'T BECAUSE I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT YOU ALL ALREADY HAD IT.
WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH THAT LETTER.
UM, BASIC OVERVIEW OF THAT LETTER IS THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TREES THAT WERE BEING REMOVED.
WELL, NO, THERE WERE SOME, A FEW OTHER THINGS IN THERE.
THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON ADDITIONAL SCREENING ON HEALTH ROAD, AND THEY WANTED TRAFFIC.
THEY HAD MADE THEIR ASSUMPTIONS ASSUMING, UH, EGRESS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
AND, UH, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF A FOUR TO FIVE FOOT FOOT HIGH EARTH AND BERM, UH, ALONG HEALTHS ROAD SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ON HEALTH WOULDN'T SEE THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
UM, SO I, I, THAT WAS A, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SCREENING RECOMMENDATION THERE.
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OKAY.UM, BILL, COULD I SAY SOMETHING? YES.
UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH, UM, KIM JABLONSKI AND FRANK PALUSO AND OTHERS, THEY, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PLAN TO PUT ON THE NEXT MEETING IF IT'LL BE, IF SOME OF YOU WILL BE IN TOWN HALL OR WHAT, BUT THEY FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO AIR THEIR CURRENT, THEIR ISSUES TO YOU LOOKING AT YOUR FACES RATHER THAN, UM, DOING IT ON WEBEX.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ON WEBEX, BUT THEY'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL, THE, SOME OF YOU WILL BE, WILL BE IN PERSON FOR THE REST OF THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THEY CAN LOOK YOU IN THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT HAPPENS.
AND, UM, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COVID LEVELS AND ORANGE AND YELLOW AND RED AND, UM, RIGHT.
THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTS BACK IN THE SPRING THAT WE DID COMPLETELY BY WEBEX.
AND UH, I JUST WANTED TO, THEY JUST ASKED ME TO RELAY THAT TO YOU.
I, I UNDERSTAND AND I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT ACTUALLY THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS, THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS THIS WAY THAN THE STANDARD PUBLIC HEARING METHODOLOGY.
AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IS A LOT OF THE PEOPLE'S WRITTEN COMMENTS, UH, ARE, ARE VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND, UH, AND VERY GOOD.
SO THE, THE, FROM MY END, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THIS, UH, WE GET A LOT OF REALLY, REALLY, REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK.
AND, UH, I, I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU STAY WITH IT UNTIL THE END OF THE PROCESS, YOU, YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT THIS WAY WAS SUFFICIENT AND EVERYBODY GOT TO BE HEARD.
SO, UM, IT'S, I I, WE, WE DID REALLY WELL.
AND I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE ANY DIFFERENT IN THIS ONE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO, AND WE'LL SEE HOW MANY THERE END UP BEING, UH, I WILL READ THE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK AS THEY COME IN WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S JUST TOO MANY TO CONTINUE TO READ, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL END UP PRINTING THEM OUT AND WE'LL MAKE THEM PART OF THE RECORD.
WE WON'T READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, UH, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S ONLY THINK, THERE'S ONLY 25 PEOPLE WATCHING RIGHT NOW, SO EVEN IF EVERY ONE OF THEM MADE A COMMENT, WE'D PROBABLY READ IT OUTTA THE RECORD.
JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT JENNIFER, OUR PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY, IS HAVING ISSUES, UM, WITH HER INTERNET.
SO SHE HAS CALLED ME AND I HAVE HER ON SPEAKER AND I PUT YOU ON SPEAKER OVER HERE SO SHE CAN AT LEAST HEAR THE MEETING, BUT SHE'S WORKING ON GETTING RECONNECTED, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU HEAR A BAD WEEK FOR THE INTERNET.
JENNIFER, CAN YOU HEAR, CAN YOU HEAR HER? OH, BILL, YOU CAN'T HEAR HER? I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF SHE TALKS.
ALSO, I GOT A, I GOT A TEXT FROM JENNY ROBERTSON AND SHE SAID THAT SHE CAN ALSO POST FACEBOOK COMMENTS ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE IF WE WANT.
THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT WE DO.
UM, WE'LL SEE HOW MANY COMMENTS WE GET TONIGHT AND AFTER TONIGHT.
SORRY, SHE, SHE, I'M, I STAND CORRECTED.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LETTERS THAT WE GOT.
YEAH, I MEAN THE CAB LETTER AND THE SUPERVISOR'S LETTER SHOULD BE POSTED.
UM, I'LL TALK TO JENNIFER ABOUT WHAT WE GENERALLY DO, RESIDENTS LETTERS.
UM, SO WE, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, THE MAILING ADDRESSES AND THINGS AND NOT WANTING TO HAVE THOSE PUBLISHED, BUT, UM, IT'LL TAKE JENNIFER'S BACK ON, BUT HER AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW WE WANNA DEAL WITH THE, THE PHYSICAL LETTERS WE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, BILL? FROM WHAT TERRY? SURE.
BOB SAID, YOU KNOW, TERRY, UM, I KNOW I'M NO DISRESPECT AND INTENDED, BUT YOU KNOW, TONIGHT YOU SAID SOME THINGS THAT I'VE SAID IN THE PAST REGARDING SAFETY, THAT I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT, WHICH IS TRUE.
UM, I'VE GOT A LOT OF EMAILS, WHICH I THINK YOU MIGHT, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT SOME, AND MOST OF THEM ARE ALL ON THE SAME CONCERNS THAT I AM ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS AREA.
NO, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST DOLLAR GENERAL STORES, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING TONIGHT THAT KIND OF RED FLAG ME A LITTLE BIT.
YOU CALLED IT A NON-DESIGNATED
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DESIGNATION OF A STORE.WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR DEFINED STATE OF ALABAMA, BUT HERE IN, IN WESTERN NEW YORK, THE ECONOMY IS NOT, NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
PEOPLE ARE LAID GETTING FURLOUGHED OR LAID OFF, AND MANUFACTURING'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY PEOPLE ARE, IT, IT'S NOT EXISTENT.
SO THERE'S A, NOT OF A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE GAINFULLY EMPLOY, IF YOU WILL.
AND I, AND I KNOW THAT FROM WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING, BUT, YOU KNOW, A DESIGNATED STORE, YOU'RE GONNA PUT A STORE UP, WHICH IS GONNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO TO IT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE.
THE PRICES, YOU KNOW, WE SEE COUPONS IN OUR PAPERS EVERY DAY.
AND AGAIN, I JUST, I KNOW I'M SOUNDING LIKE A RECORD, BUT ACROSS CROSSING THAT SOUTHWESTERN IS GONNA BE, IS A HAZARD FOR ME.
I TRIED DOING IT WITHOUT THE STORE BEING THERE, AND I HAD DIFFICULTY RIGHT ACROSS, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MY HEALTH ROAD.
'CAUSE I PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED TRIED IT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES DURING THE DAY.
THE VERY DIFFICULT, VERY HIGH DENSE ROAD, AND THE INCOME FACTOR HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
ALTHOUGH SOMETHING IS ZONED AND IT'S BASICALLY TECHNICALLY CODE COMPLIANT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THE SAFETY FACTOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN EXPERT ANYONE HAS TO BE WHEN IT'S THAT BIG OF A CONCERN.
I WOULDN'T IF, IF THIS WAS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, AND I'VE GOT THE EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, AND THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING WITH SAFE SAFETY.
ONE EVEN SAYS THERE'S DOLLAR GENERALS WITHIN EIGHT TO 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES, UM, UH, ROADWAY, UM, UH, THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S NOT JUST BOB WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A PROJECT DOWN THE STREET A FEW YEARS AGO THAT'S THERE, AND I'M GLAD I WAS MISTAKEN.
I I TOOK A SAFETY STAND ON THAT ONE AND THE RESIDENTS TOOK THE SAME THING.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, THE RESIDENTS ARE UTILIZING THAT PROJECT.
SO IT'S, I'M GLAD I WAS WRONG.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T SAY THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING THIS LOOK GREAT.
AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE DESIRABLE FOR ME TO GO TO IT.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A SAFETY FACTOR HERE.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU'RE NOT IGNORING IT.
YOU'RE TRYING THE BEST AS AS WE ARE, WE'RE WRITING TO THE DOT AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S STILL THERE.
AND THEN I CAN'T, AGAIN, I THINK OF MYSELF, I, I CAN'T KEEP THAT SAFETY FACTOR OUTTA MY EYE AND THE RESIDENTS ON, ON THE SAME SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN, THAT IT'S NOT A PEDESTRIAN ISSUE WITH ME AS I'VE BEEN TO DOLLAR SHO DOLLAR STORES BEFORE.
THEY'RE ALL PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
THEY'RE ALL IN LOCATIONS EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE WHERE PEOPLE COULD WALK.
THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT NOT TOO FAR IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BLAZEDALE AREA WHERE A WOMAN WAS HIT BY A CAR.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA KEEP GOING BACK WHEN YOU SAID IT WASN'T A DESIGNATED STORE TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE IF THE, IF THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH.
I'M JUST MAKING MYSELF, YOU KNOW, BEING PERFECTLY CLEAR ON, ON WHAT I'M, WHAT I MEAN BY MY SAFETY REACTION TO THIS.
CAN WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, YEP.
UH, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY THE BROADWAY GROUP TO CONSTRUCT A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AT 65 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2020 AT 7:00 PM VIA WEBEX AND WILL BE STREAMED TO THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE, TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
UM, RUSELLO, YOU'RE NOT MUTED.
SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BROADWAY GROUP, LLC.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? HI.
OKAY, LET, LET'S START WITH FRANK BECAUSE KIM, KIM IS MUTED.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, FRANK PALUSO.
I'M HERE WITH DEBORAH KATI, AND WE RESIDE AT 65 19 HEALTH ROAD.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO, UH, LET US SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE, UH, EXTREME
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OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF THIS DOLLAR GENERAL.WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTY MAY BE PROPERLY ZONED, BUT FEEL THIS PROJECT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE BROADWAY GROUP HAS SUBMITTED SEVERAL RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED DOOR, WHICH ARE BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED AND MANICURED, BUT APPEARS THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN MAINTAINING THESE PROPERTIES.
I HAVE PHOTOS HERE BEHIND ME THAT I WAS HOPING TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I SENT THEM TO SARAH TODAY AND SHE'S GONNA FORWARD 'EM TO YOU TOMORROW.
UH, BUT ALL THESE PHOTOS, I, YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM TOO WELL, BUT THE PROPERTY IS IN, UH, SPARE.
UH, THE TREES ARE ON THE BACKSIDE.
I MEAN, IF THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO, I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
UM, I DON'T THINK THIS, UH, REFLECTS THE OVERALL ENHANCEMENT OF THE TOWN.
ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN FOR US IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE STORE.
AS YOU'RE AWARE FROM THE SITE PLAN, THE ENTRANCE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OUR DRIVEWAY, WHICH WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
HEADLIGHTS FROM VEHICLES EXITING THE STORE, WHICH DIRECTLY INTO OUR HOME, FORCING US TO BA BASICALLY SHUTTERING OUR HOME.
NOT TO MENTION THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING, WHICH WE WOULD ASSUME WOULD BE ON FROM DUST TO DAWN.
IF THIS PROJECT IS ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD, WE BELIEVE AN EFFORT NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO LOCATE THE ENTRANCE OFF OF ROUTE 20.
WE DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION OF THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD'S DECISION THAT THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE SAFER ON HEALTH WITHOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE IS NO DATA TO SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, THIS PORTION OF HEALTH IS A MAJOR CUT TO FOR ACCESS TO LAKEVIEW ROAD.
UNLESS YOU LIVE ON THE STREET, YOU COULDN'T COMPREHEND THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GENERATED ON THE STREET.
WITH THE HELP OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE DID TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES.
THEY WERE BOTH CONDUCTED IN SEPTEMBER IN THE NORTHBOUND STUDY, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME WAS 275 VEHICLES IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD, AND THE SOUTHBOUND VOLUME WAS 300 VEHICLES IN THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.
NOW, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE WERE CONDUCTED IN SEPTEMBER WHEN THE NIKE BASE RECREATIONAL SITE WAS NOT IN A OPERATION DUE TO COVID RESTRICTIONS.
THE TOWN CONSULTANT MADE A GREAT POINT IN HIS ASSESSMENT THAT IF THE ENTRANCE WERE TO REMAIN ON HEALTH, NOT ONLY WOULD YOU HAVE TO CONTEND WITH EAST WESTBOUND TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC FROM HEALTHS ALSO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ONTO ON ROUTE 20, MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN ON THE HEALTH OFTEN MAKE THAT TURN AT VERY IMP PRUDENT SPEEDS.
IF THERE IS NO EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THAT IMPEDES THEM WITH THE ENTRANCE ON HEALTH ROAD, THIS IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BROADWAY GROUP WITH OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION, AND HER RESPONSE WAS THAT IT WOULD'VE MINIMAL IMPACT ON US.
UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS MINIMAL BY ANY MEANS.
ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM THE NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT.
KIDS ARE GONNA BE KIDS IN SPITE OF ANY WARNINGS IMPOSED BY THEIR PARENTS, THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO CROSS RULE 20 EXPOSING THEMSELVES TO, TO A POTENTIAL TRAGEDY LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS REFERENCED THAT OCCURRED IN BLAZEDALE.
UH, AGAIN, MY, YOU KNOW, IN IN, IN CONCLUSION, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO PREVENT THIS PROJECT FROM GOING GOING FORWARD.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND OUR, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS.
UH, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, COULD WHOEVER CALL IN USER NUMBER SEVEN? COULD YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF STATIC AND FEEDBACK, UH, WHILE MR. PALUSO WAS GIVING HIS COMMENT.
IF, UH, ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THIS, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE CON CONDUCTED, I CAN, UH, I CAN FORWARD 'EM TO SARAH AND SHE CAN FORWARD 'EM TO YOU.
AND THEY WERE CONDUCTED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE.
OKAY, SO NEXT, UH, KIM JABLONSKI, PLEASE.
ARE WE ALL SET? KIM? I THINK YOU EITHER NEED TO, ARE YOU CALLED IN AND GOING THROUGH YOUR COMPUTER? UH, NO, I JUST HAD SARAH, CAN WE SEND
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KIM THE DIAL IN INFORMATION? YEAH, I MEAN, SHE'S ON MY SCREEN TWICE, SO YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU, YOU LOG OFF AND PRIME LOG BACK IN AND SEE IF THAT SOLVES IT.SO FAR ON FACEBOOK WE HAVE JUST ONE COMMENT.
UH, WILL THE CONTRACTORS FROM START TO END BE LOCAL CONTRACTORS? UM, SO I GUESS JUST ANOTHER THING WITH SOME GROUND RULES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT'S NOT, UH, BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN DEVELOPERS AND THE PUBLIC.
UH, THE DEVELOPER MOST LIKELY WILL ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THAT COMES UP AT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANSWERED RIGHT AWAY.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THEY'LL GO THROUGH A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED AND GIVE THEIR ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A, A BACK AND FORTH.
I GOT BUMPED OUT BEFORE AND WHEN I CAME BACK ON.
I ENDED UP TWICE, SO I'M NEW AT THIS, SO I HOPE YOU'LL EXCUSE ME.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 65 50 HEALTHS ROAD, AND WE HAVE, WE LIVE IN THE PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE LAB PROPOSED FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE LEARNED IN AUGUST FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL ALONG WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE WERE SURPRISED TO LEARN THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE CONTRADICTIONS OF OWNING A RESIDENCE ZONED COMMERCIAL TOO THAT MOST, THAT MOST LIKELY ATTEMPTS TO SELL OUR HOME WOULD RESULT IN POTENTIAL BUYER'S INABILITY TO FINANCE WITH A CONVENTIONAL MORTGAGE.
I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO LEARN WHEN AND WHY OUR PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO C TWO WITH NO SUCCESS.
THERE SEEMS TO BE NO DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT OUR PROPERTY IS NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE, RESIDENTIAL OR WHY IT WAS CHANGED COMMERCIAL NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE CAN LOCATE WHY THE C TWO ZONING EXISTS IN OUR AREA.
I HAVE HEARD IT SAID IN SEVERAL TOWN OFFICES AND EVEN DURING THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS THAT IT HAS BEEN ZONE COMMERCIAL AS LONG AS MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I KNOW THAT IF THE PLANNING BOARD WAS NOT AWARE OF IT INITIALLY, MOST OF YOU BECAME AWARE WHEN, UH, BRIAN BATES PURCHASED PROPERTY ALONG LAKEVIEW ROAD FROM HEALTH TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HE APPLIED FOR REZONING TO BUILD HIS HOUSE.
HE COULD ONLY REZONE THE PROPERTY THAT HE PLANNED TO BUILD HIS HOUSE ON.
I WONDER IF AT THAT TIME ANY OF YOU QUESTIONED THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE FACT THAT WE WERE, THAT THIS AREA WAS ZONED C TWO.
IN PREPARATION FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, I REVIEWED THE DOCUMENT ONE REGION FORWARD TOWN OF HAMBURG, WHICH IS THE MASTER PLAN 2010.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT USED AS MUCH FOR GUIDANCE AND DEVELOPMENT AS FOR ZONING CONSIDERATIONS.
IN MY REVIEW, I FOUND SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS TO OUR AREA BEING ZONED C TWO THAT SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THIS AREA, REMAINING RESIDENTIAL, OR AT THE LEAST BEING CHANGED FROM A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER BEFORE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER SOUGHT OUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR SMALL AREA IS COVERED BY THE LAKEVIEW OVERVIEW AS WELL AS THE SOUTHWESTERN OVERLAY.
WHAT I FOUND IS THAT COMMERCIAL USES SHALL BE CONCENTRATED ONLY IN THE HAMBURG AREA TO REVITALIZE THIS PORTION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE CONSENSUS ON WHAT HAMLET REFERS TO IS THE LAKEVIEW ROAD AREA BOARDED BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THEN TO FOR, TO FOR SALE.
I HAVE NO PROOF OF THOSE BOUNDARIES, BUT THAT DESCRIPTION WOULD DEFINITELY NOT INCLUDE THE AREA CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS C TWO.
I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY DOLLAR GENERAL DECIDED TO CHOOSE THIS IRREGULAR SHAPE LOT WHERE THEY NEEDED TO FIT THEIR BUILDING PARKING SPACES, A RETENTION POND AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, ALL WITHIN THE REQUIRED EASEMENTS AND BOUNDARIES.
IT IS A LOT OF ELEMENTS TO FIT INTO A SMALL LOT.
THEN I LOOKED AT A MAP SHOWING THE ZONING OF LAKEVIEW AND FOUND THAT THE AREA OF OUR TRIANGLE WITH EXTENSIONS
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TO EACH SIDE ON ROUTE 20 IS THE LARGEST AND BASICALLY ONLY AREA IN LAKEVIEW THAT IS DESIGNATED AS C TWO.HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT A RANDOM AREA HAD THIS DESIGNATION WITHOUT ANY RATIONAL JU JUSTIFICATION? THE LAKEVIEW OVER OVERLAY REQUIRES THAT THE AMOUNT OF CLEARING OF TREES SHALL BE MINIMIZED.
THE DEVELOPER HAS CONCEDED TO MAINTAIN TREES, BUT THAT WILL MOVE THE BUILDING LESS THAN THE REQUIRED F THE REQUIRED 20 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE IF WE WERE ZONED CORRECTLY.
WHILE WE ARE ZONE C TWO, WE ARE IN REALITY A RESIDENCE AND WE ARE ASKING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HOLDS TO THE REQUIREMENT OF 20 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE.
IF THIS PROJECT BECOMES A REALITY, ACCORDING TO C TWO ZONING, COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS BUFFETED FROM ANY SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROVIDES AN AREA FOR LARGER, MORE INTRUSIVE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
THERE IS NO BUFFER FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
CERTAINLY AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE DOES NOT QUALIFY.
AND WHILE OUR AREA IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, OF THE 16 PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA OF THE LASTS ARE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES THAT IS CLOSE TO 70 YEARS AGO.
TWO OF THEM WERE BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES.
ONE IS THE, ONE IS THE MOTEL THAT IS BEING REFURBISHED AND ANOTHER IS A CHURCH THAT SHOULD BE ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION FOR WHEN AND WHY THIS IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
I'M SORRY, I'M SAYING IT AGAIN, BUT HONESTLY IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
MY OTHER CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT OUR SHORT, WELL TRAVELED ROAD WILL BECOME UNSAFE.
WE HAVE A ONE CAR DRIVEWAY AND PULL TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO BACK INTO OUR DRIVEWAY.
MORE AND MORE, WE ARE WAITING FOR CARS COMING FROM EITHER DIRECTION BEFORE WE CAN BACK INTO OUR DRIVEWAY.
IT ISN'T THE WAITING THAT'S A PROBLEM.
IT IS THAT OTHER DRIVERS DON'T PAY ATTENTION AND COME DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO US, ESPECIALLY WHEN CARS COME IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
AT THE SAME TIME, USUALLY AT A FAIRLY HIGH RATE OF SPEED, THE ENTRANCE ON HEALTH ROAD WILL MAKE THIS SITUATION WORSE.
AND WHILE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE ON OUR STREET, MANY DOLLAR GENERAL CUSTOMERS WILL TURN TO EXIT ON ROUTE 20.
VEHICLES IN THAT DRIVEWAY WILL NOT BE EASILY SEEN BY CARS COMING FROM EITHER DIRECTION ON ROUTE 20 DUE TO THE ANGLE OF HEALTH'S ROAD AND ROUTE 20 WITH PREDICTED COLLISIONS AT THAT DRIVEWAY.
BESIDES THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, THE DRIVEWAY ON HEALTH THAT IS INTRU WILL BE INTRUSIVE TO MY NEIGHBORS.
AS, AS FRANK MENTIONED ALSO, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED RECENTLY DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC AND OUR TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE ONCE WE GET BACK TO NORMAL.
I WORRY THAT WITHOUT THE TREES ON THE LOT, OUR LOT WILL BE CONSTANTLY HAVING STANDING WATER.
AND I'M TOLD THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, I CAN COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO HELP RESOLVE THE SITUATION, BUT I THINK THEN IT'LL BE TOO LATE.
SO I WILL SUMMARIZE MY, I WILL SUMMARIZE MY OBJECTIONS TO THIS PROJECT BY SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT RIGHT FOR THIS AREA.
IT DOES NOT FIT INTO THAT LOT THAT THIS AREA IS ZONED INCORRECTLY AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND MANY TOWN OFFICIALS KNEW THAT THIS WAS A PROBLEM AND CHOSE TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING THAT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, CORRECT THIS ERROR FIRST BY DENYING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, THEN RETURNING THE ZONING TO CORRECTLY REFLECT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND HONOR THE INTENT OF THE 2010 MASTER PLAN.
UH, UM, CAN MRS JAB, MS. JABLONSKI SEND HER COMMENTS? UH, SHE, SHE WAS READING 'EM TO SARAH SO WE CAN LOOK AT 'EM AND REFERENCE 'EM AFTER THIS.
YEAH, I I'M SURE SARAH WOULD PREFER IF, UH, EVERYBODY WHO READ THEIR COMMENTS WOULD SEND YOUR NOTES OR YOUR, YOUR DRAFT TO HER.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR HER TO DO THE MINUTES.
AND I'M SORRY THAT I, I READ THEM, BUT THIS IS, UM, THIS IS REALLY, IT'S NO PROBLEM.
IT, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND, YOU KNOW, FOR US IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I COVERED THOSE POINTS AND THEY MAY NOT SEEM IMPORTANT, BUT FOR US LIVING HERE, THIS IS REALLY VITAL.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN OUR HOUSE SINCE 1986 AND AT SOME POINT, PROBABLY IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT SELLING OUR HOUSE.
AND I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SELL OUR HOUSE AND THE LOSS OF VALUE IN OUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF HAVING NO OFFENSE, TARA, BUT, BUT BY HAVING DOLLAR GENERAL NEXT TO US.
AND, AND YOUR ZONING QUESTIONS ARE THEY, THEY'RE NOT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT THEY
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ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TOWN.THE TOWN'S RELOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU, UH, BRING A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, WHERE ZONING IS GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
I HAVE, I HAVE SPOKEN IN MANY OF THE OFFICES IN THE TOWN HALL TO TRY TO SIGN JUSTIFICATION.
ONLY THE TOWN BOARD CONTAINS THE ZONING.
OKAY? SO, SO THOSE OTHER OFFICES, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU TALK TO DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT DONE, AND THE TOWN BOARD IS, IS STARTED THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOWN.
SO I'M, I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET IT DONE.
BILL, IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING, GO AHEAD.
YES, KIM, KIM HAS BEEN TRYING VERY DILIGENTLY TO FIND OUT HOW AND WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS REZONED AND SHE'S RIGHT.
WE KNOW WE TALKED TO KURT ALLEN YESTERDAY AND HE SAID IN 1994 WHEN HE STARTED IT WAS ALREADY HIS OWN C TWO.
SO I, WE UNDERSTAND HOW FRUSTRATED KIM IS TO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
AND WE, WE RAN AT THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM ON SOME PROPERTIES ON MCKINLEY, I THINK, UH, BY MCKINLEY AND CLARK WHERE ALL THOSE CORNERS COME TOGETHER, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
SO, SO YES, THERE'S, THERE'S AREAS WHERE, WHERE THAT HAPPENED AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHEN OR WHY, BUT THAT THEY DO EXIST IN THIS TOWN AND, AND, UH, THE TOWN BOARD IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADDRESSING IT.
SO I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS, UH, TO SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH THE ZONING ISSUES.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT THANK YOU.
BUT YES, I, I WANT, I WANT, UH, PROJECTS THAT COME IN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING CODE.
WE CAN'T CONSIDER FUTURE CHANGES.
SO, ALRIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME NEW MORE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK HERE.
UM, THEY'RE COMING IN, UH, BRANDY JAR.
I POSTED A PETITION ON SOCIAL MEDIA REGARDING THIS PROJECT AND WE HAD OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE SIGN AND WITH MANY COMMENTS, THEY ARE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY.
THERE ARE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY.
IF THAT, UH, PETITION AND ESPECIALLY THE COMMENTS COULD BE FORWARDED TO THIS BOARD, THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, SCOTT RUSSELL, AGAIN, AS A RESIDENT OF LAKEVIEW SINCE 1976, I CROSS ROUTE 20.
IT HELPS HUNDREDS OF TIMES WITH NO ISSUES, EVEN MORE EASIER NOW WITH A TURNING LANE.
UH, MARK HARLECH COUNTY TAX RECORDS ALSO REFLECT THE HOMES ARE RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING THE LOT DOLLAR GENERAL IS PROPOSING TO BUILD ON AS 3 1 4 RURAL RESIDENTIAL UNDER 10 ACRES.
UH, BRANDY DURESS AGAIN OR DURESS.
I STILL HAVE A GREAT CONCERN FOR SAFETY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS BROUGHT UP, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT ADDRESSED IS THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE CROSSING ROUTE 20 TO GET TO THE STORE WHEN IT SAID THAT A DRIVEWAY ON HEALTH IS BEST.
THIS IS ONLY BECAUSE THE ONLY OPTION, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS THE WORST AND NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THIS, IT DOESN'T MAKE A GOOD OPTION.
SO THERE'S ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PUT COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK, UH, DO THAT NOW.
UM, I WILL GIVE THAT A SECOND.
AND AS I SAID, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON THE FACEBOOK FEED.
UH, WE'VE, SO SOMEONE WHO CAN'T SEE IT TONIGHT OR ISN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE TONIGHT WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE SOMETIME BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO RECEIVE COMMENTS BY MAIL AND EMAIL.
SO ON OUR MEETING, UH, JANUARY 6TH, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE A HYBRID MEETING OR A IN PERSON OR FULLY REMOTE.
I WILL HAVE TO SEE THE STATE OF THE WORLD OR THE STATE OF THE COMMUNITY AT LEAST.
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UH, ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE FACEBOOK MALLORY RUSSELL GANG.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY JOBS THIS IS ESTIMATED TO PRODUCE.
SO AGAIN, UH, I DON'T EXPECT THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION TODAY, BUT THAT WILL BE ANSWERED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I THINK IF YOU GO BACK WHEN THIS IS POSTED TO REVIEW, IT'S PART OF THE SLIDESHOW THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I INTERJECT REAL QUICK? THIS IS JOE KEER, COUNSEL FOR BROADWAY GROUP.
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR THE TOWN TO, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR TARA, BUT I KNOW WE WANT TO BE AS OPEN AND ADDRESS AS MANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF WHICH ANYTHING THAT COMES IN AFTER TODAY CAN BE FORWARDED OR DIRECTED TO US SO WE CAN ADEQUATELY PREPARE RESPONSES TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF IF SOMETHING'S EMAILED, IT'S EASY TO FORWARD TO YOU.
UH, THE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
UH, SO THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS GONNA BE ANY HANDWRITTEN LETTER OR, OR PAPER LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, AND HOW WE FORWARD THAT TO YOU.
AND, UH, I'LL TALK TO SARAH AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO, HOW TO GET THAT DONE TO BE THE MOST EFFICIENT FOR YOU.
AND IF I MAY, REAL QUICKLY AGAIN, UM, I KNOW TARA HAD HIGHLIGHTED ON HER SLIDESHOW, UM, AND WE DO APOLOGIZE GIVEN THE THE TIME RESTRAINTS, BUT BASED ON THE COMMENTS OFFERED BY THE BOARD AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, THE BROADWAY GROUP DID GO AHEAD AND PRO PROCURE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS NOT FINISHED UNTIL MONDAY, SO WE COULD NOT GET IT IN HANDS OF ALL THE CHAIRMAN OR AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.
UM, WILL THERE BE A MECHANISM THAT THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE NOT ONLY TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT POTENTIALLY WE HAVE NO PROBLEM, I BELIEF BEING, BEING DISSEMINATED TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, GIVEN THAT A LOT OF CONCERNS CENTERED AROUND THAT ISSUE? YEAH, I'M SURE WE CAN POST THAT TO OUR WEBSITE.
UH, JENNIFER, THE IT DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN HAS INDICATED THAT DIFFERENT THINGS CAN BE POSTED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND GIVEN THAT IT'S YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY, IF YOU WANT IT PUBLISHED, THEN THAT'S OUR MECHANISM TO DO THAT AND WE'D BE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.
SO THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK RIGHT NOW.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL ADJOURN BROADWAY GROUP LLC TO JANUARY 6TH, LEAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
AND, UM, BUT WE WILL SEE YOU IN THREE WEEKS.
I JUST WANNA LET PEOPLE KNOW I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH ED RAKOWSKI AT THE DOT NEXT WEEK AND MAKE SURE HE GETS SOMETHING IN WRITING TO US BY THE, BY THE ME THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY.
I ALSO WILL, AND IF CAMIE WANTS TO JOIN ME, I'LL ALSO TALK TO GORDON AT GTS CONSULTING.
I KNOW HIM VERY WELL ABOUT HIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALLIE ACCOMPLISHED IT, SO.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, TAYLOR SCHMITZ REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
SO WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS THAT WAS HELD OPEN AND IT WAS CLOSED AT OUR FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.
AND AT THAT MEETING WE AUTHORIZED RESOLUTIONS, DIDN'T WE? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY CHANGES ON THIS PROJECT BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, IS, UH, SEAN HOPKINS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF SEAN CAN TALK ABOUT ANY CHANGES OR CONSIDERATIONS THEY MADE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY EXIT THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING HE IS ON IF YOU CAN'T HEAR.
I'M ON THE, UH, MEETING THIS EVENING WITH CHRIS WOOD FROM CARMINA WOOD MORRIS ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO YES, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES BASED ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON DECEMBER 2ND.
UM, SPECIFICALLY WE MODIFIED THE DRIVEWAY ONTO
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FRANKLIN TO ENCOURAGE VEHICLES THAT ARE EXITING ONTO FRANKLIN TO TURN RIGHT ACCESSING CAMP.AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE UPDATED PLAN THAT ACCOMPANIED A LETTER I SUBMITTED ON DECEMBER 10TH.
IN ADDITION, AFTER TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS AND CONSIDERING THE INPUT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT WHAT THAT IS.
NUMBER ONE, WE'VE ADDED A NO LEFT HAND TURN SIGN AT THE STOP SIGN NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY ONTO FRANKLIN STREET TO AGAIN ENCOURAGE VEHICLES TO TAKE A RIGHT AND ACCESS CAMP.
NUMBER TWO, WE'RE SHOWING ONE-WAY SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DRIVEWAY ONTO CAMP ROAD TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE INFORMING MOTORISTS TRAVELING ON CAMP ROAD, THAT THAT DRIVEWAY IS EXIT ONLY.
AND THEN FINALLY, CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENT, WE'RE SHOWING A DO NOT ENTER SIGN THAT WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE STOP SIGN FOR VEHICLES EXITING ONTO CAMP ROAD.
TO ONCE AGAIN INFORM MOTORISTS THAT IF YOU'RE TRAVELING ON CAMP ROAD, THAT'S AN EXIT ONLY DRIVEWAY.
AND CHRIS WOOD DID PROVIDE DETAIL SHEETS FOR THAT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
THEY'RE ATTACHED TO MY LETTER.
SO WE DO THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE INPUT THAT RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD RELATIVE TO THOSE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
AND I WOULD NOTE THOSE ARE SHOWN ON THE UPDATED PLAN, UH, PREPARED BY CHRIS DATED DECEMBER 9TH, 2020, DRAWING C 100.
ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE? JUST BEFORE I ASK THAT QUESTION, DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE RESOLUTION? YES.
AND, UH, THE RESOLUTIONS ALSO CONTAIN SOME NOTES ON SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, NAMELY WILL IT BE IN, UH, WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE CHAPTER ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH SAFETY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS THEREOF, AND IT WILL NOT AUTHORIZE THE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? ANYBODY THAT, ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT FEEL WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO FORWARD WITH VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION TODAY? OKAY, SO I WILL, UH, I WILL READ THE RESOLUTIONS HERE.
UH, SCHMITZ CAR WASH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT RESOLUTION, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM SCHMID CAR WASH FOR THE CONS CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CAR WASH TO BE LOCATED AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
AND WHEREAS BASED ON THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A CAR WASH AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND DOES NOT REQUIRE A SEEKER DECISION.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM POUND DEPARTMENTS AND ADVISORY COMMITTEES, AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THIS SPECIAL PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION HAS DETERMINED AND DOCUMENTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLVI SECTIONS 2 8 0 3 2 AND 2 8 0 3 23.
THAT ONE, THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOR BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS THEREOF.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
UH, FOR COMMERCIAL CAR WASHES, ADDITIONAL FACTORS MUST BE CONSIDERED AND MET.
THOSE BEING A, THESE FACILITIES SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR WITHIN 500
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FEET OF ANOTHER SUCH FACILITY.B ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE CAR WASH BUILDINGS AND OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
C VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD SHALL BE MINIMIZED THROUGH PROPER SCREENING SETBACKS, EXISTING TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURES, UH, FIRMING AND LANDSCAPING FEATURES.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BASED ON THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DISCUSSION, THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A CAR WASH AT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
SECOND, I DIDN'T DO THE CONDITIONS YET.
DOUG HEAR THAT? I DID HEAR IT, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE THE CONDITIONS YET.
YES, IT, IT'LL BE BASED ON THE SITE SITE PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THAT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE CAR WASH OR TWO, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THE CAR WASH WILL NOT BE OPEN AFTER I DON'T HAVE A TIME HERE.
DID WE HAVE A TIME FOR THE CAR WASH? UH, THIS IS SEAN.
NO, IT'S AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH, SO WE'VE NOT DETERMINED THE HOURS OF OPERATION YET.
AT, AT A MEETING, SEAN, I THOUGHT YOU STATED THE OWNER STATED THAT IT WOULD GENERALLY CLOSE, WE DON'T CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT IN THE MEETING YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD, THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE ONLY OPEN UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME OF NIGHT.
IT'S NOT 24 HOURS, CORRECT? NO, WE WELL, WE'VE NEVER MADE THAT STATEMENT AGAIN.
WE'RE NOT YET THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE'VE NOT YET MADE THAT DECISION, GIVEN THAT IT'S AUTOMATED AND CAN LITERALLY OPERATE WITHOUT ANY EMPLOYEES BEING THERE.
THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE MIGHT LEAVE IT OPEN LATER THAN YOU OTHERWISE WOULD, BUT WE'VE NOT REACHED THAT.
WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THAT YET, BILL.
WE CANNOT, I I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, I THINK I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE VACUUMS ARE ONLY GONNA BE OPEN DURING THE DAY.
SO, UM, I'M, I DON'T BELIEVE I TOUCHED ON THE HOURS OF THE CAR WASH.
UM, CERTAINLY I COULD, YOU LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT
NO, I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT HERE ON THIS, BUT WE CANNOT SET ANY TIMEFRAME ON, ON A BUSINESS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS MAKE HIM MAKE A, A TIMEFRAME AND WE CANNOT SET TIMEFRAME.
HE CAN, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS ON TIME.
YEAH, BUT IT STILL AFFECTS OUR VOTE.
WELL, IT CAN MAYBE AFFECT YOUR VOTE.
I CAN'T ARGUE THAT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, WE CANNOT USE A TIMEFRAME ON THEIR OPENING AND CLOSING TIMES.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T TELL THEM A CERTAIN TIME.
MR. SCHMIT, YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE VACUUMS? YEAH, SO THE VACUUM AREA IS GONNA BE CLOSED PROBABLY AT 10.
UM, THE MORE THINKING WE DO ABOUT IT SINCE THE, LIKE SINCE AUTOMATIC CAR WASHES AREN'T REALLY USED THAT LATE AT NIGHT ANYWAYS, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A SET HOURS OF OPERATION THAT'S NOT 24 7.
SO WE WON'T BE OPEN PROBABLY BETWEEN, I CAN'T MAKE A FINAL, LIKE A FINAL DECISION RIGHT NOW, BUT PROBABLY BETWEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND SIX.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THIS, HOW ABOUT THIS FOR NUMBER TWO THEN? THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE VACUUMS OF THE CAR WASH WILL NOT BE OPERATED AFTER 10:00 PM THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
THE CAR WASH WILL ONLY OPERATE WITH THE DOORS SHUT.
THE CAR WASH WILL ONLY PROCESS TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
FIVE LIGHTING WILL BE AS SHOWN ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND INTERNAL AND BUILDING LIGHTING WILL BE SHIELDED AND NOT NEON OR FLASHING COLORED LIGHTS.
THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UH, ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION? OKAY, SO, UH, MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY DEMONSTRATED ON THE DRAWING WHERE THERE SNOW STORAGE WOULD BE, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT DURING SNOW CLEARING, NO SNOW, SNOW REMOVAL, REMOVE SNOW, SOMETHING ABOUT SNOW STORAGE THAT'LL BE RETAINED ON SITE DURING THE SNOW CLEARING.
I I BELIEVE SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT AT ONE POINT
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THE SNOW'S GONNA BE ON SITE, RIGHT? YEAH.THAT SNOW WHEN THEY'RE CLEAR SNOW THAT IT WILL BE STORED ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
I THINK WE'D ONLY MAKE A CONDITION IF WE WERE GONNA FORCE THEM TO STORE THE SNOW OFF THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE IF THERE'S A BIG SNOWSTORM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY GOTTA BE ALLOWED TO DIG IT OUT AND TAKE IT SOMEWHERE.
I THINK CAITLYN'S SPEAKING TO THE CONCERN ABOUT IT BEING PUT ON THE RESIDENTS AND, UH,
SO HOW ABOUT, SO, SO NUMBER SEVEN, SNOW WILL NOT BE STORED OR PLACED ON ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY? NO, BILL, THAT, THAT'S ALREADY A LAW.
I THINK IN THE TOWN AND VILLAGE PEOPLE THAT SNOWPLOW WHEN THEY GET THEIR LICENSE TO SNOWPLOW, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T PUSH IT ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY CAN'T TAKE IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN MAKE A, A CONDITION, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A CONDITION, BUT IF IT'S NOT MAKING THEM DO ANYTHING EXTRA AND THE NEIGHBOR WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THERE'S NO HARM IN PUTTING IT IN THERE.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT IT, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS FOR RIGHT.
WELL DID YOU GET THOSE? IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TOWN CODE FOR SNOW REMOVAL AND IF IT SAYS ON THE STREET AS LONG AS YOU'RE, THAT'S GOOD.
UM, BILL, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, THE REASON I PUT THE THING IN THERE ABOUT DOUG IS CORRECT, WE DO NOT CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT IF A FACILITY IS A 24 HOUR FACILITY, WE CONSIDER THAT IN THE IMPACTS AND LOOK FOR MITIGATIONS FOR POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
IN MY NOTES, I HAVE THAT ONE OF THE MEETINGS THEY TALK, THEY TALKED ABOUT NOT BEING OPEN AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE THING, BUT THEY WERE NOT.
SO WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY'RE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE DOORS ARE CLOSED.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING AT ONE, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING CAUSING PROBLEMS. RIGHT? NOT THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT, BUT IN TYPICAL 24 HOUR OPERATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTDOOR, YOU KNOW, ORDERING BOXES HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON THEM AND WHATEVER, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC FOR NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IN THERE IS THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING IT NOT A 24 HOUR.
IF IT'S A 24 HOUR, THEN HAVE WE ADDRESSED ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE RELATED TO 24 HOURS? THAT'S ALL.
I THINK THEY SAID IT WASN'T GONNA BE 24 HOURS, BUT THEY DID NOT TELL US WHEN IT WOULD CLOSE 'CAUSE THEY HADN'T DECIDED THAT YET.
BUT I THINK, I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A 24 HOUR FACILITY.
UH, AND I, I I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID THAT TODAY TOO, THAT THEY WEREN'T THINKING OF DOING IT FOR 24 HOURS, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATIONS WERE GOING TO BE.
AM I, AM I MISREPRESENTING ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID? MR. HOPKINS OR MR. SCHMIT? THIS IS DOUG.
OKAY, SO LET'S, SORRY, ONE LAST THING.
DO YOU NEED TO SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER THAT THAT'S GOING IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL? CAITLYN.
NOT IN, NOT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND BY THE WAY, SARAH'S COMPUTER DIED, SO SHE'S ON BY BY VOICE ONLY, SO, OKAY, SO, SO, SO TO HELP HER OUT, BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES, I'M GONNA GO OVER THE CONDITIONS AGAIN AS WE CHANGE THEM.
ONE, IT WILL BE BASED ON THE SITE PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THAT PLAN.
TWO, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE CAR WASH WILL NOT BE OPEN FOR 24 HOURS AND THE VACUUMS MACHINES WILL NOT BE OPERATED AFTER 10:00 PM THE CAR WASH WILL ONLY OPERATE WITH THE DOORS SHUT OR THE CAR WASH WILL ONLY PROCESS TWO CARS PER EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
FIVE LIGHTING WILL BE AS SHOWN ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND INTERNAL AND BUILDING LIGHTING WILL BE SHIELDED AND NOT NEON OR FLASHING COLOR LIGHTS.
UH, SIX SNOW REMOVAL WILL BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN AND
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OTHER LOCAL LAWS.THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAME TO, RIGHT? SO, UH, MOTION MR. YES, THIS SEAN, COULD I, COULD I OFFER ONE COMMENT PLEASE IF I GET A CHANCE? OKAY.
SO NUMBER ONE, WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING IN THE BACKGROUND WE'RE FINE WITH YOU IMPOSING A CONDITION STATING AT MINIMUM THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSED FROM 11:00 PM TO 5:00 AM IT MAY BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THAT.
WE'RE FINE SAYING IT WILL NOT BE OPEN DURING THOSE HOURS OF, OF OPERATION.
BUT ON CONDITION FOUR, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN BECAUSE THE PROCESSING OF CARS IS BASED ON THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.
OBVIOUSLY THIS APPROVAL IS PERMANENT.
SO TO THE EXTENT TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES IN THE FUTURE, THAT ALLOWS US TO PROCESS MORE THAN TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES, WE DON'T WANT TO BE RESTRICTED TO THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.
AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND THIS IS NOT A TOTAL CAR WASH, BUT I DON'T THINK, I THINK YOU'RE REGULATING ASPECTS OF THE BUSINESS IF YOU IMPOSE THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION.
YEAH, AND SEAN, YOU BRING UP THE POINT THAT WHY WE PUT THAT IN THERE.
WE, WE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, DID OUR ANALYSIS BASED ON TWO CAR THAT, THAT THE STATEMENT THAT THIS, THIS CAR WASH WILL PROCESS TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
I'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE SWITCH OUT EQUIPMENT AND THEN BASICALLY WE HAVE A LOT MORE CARS AND A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND A LOT MORE PROBLEMS. IF THE OWNER DECIDES IN THE FUTURE TO SWITCH OUT THE EQUIPMENT AND HE CAN PROCESS FIVE CARS EVERY, EVERY FIVE MINUTES, HE COMES BACK AND GETS AN AMENDED SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THE TYPE OF OPERATION HAS CHANGED.
YOU'RE RIGHT, HE'S NOT GONNA GO FROM A TO A TUNNEL CAR WASH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT COULD HAVE SOME IMPACTS TO, YOU KNOW, STACKING ON THE SITE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY DO THAT NOW, BECAUSE I'VE HAD THE PROBLEM WHERE THEY CHANGE OUT EQUIPMENT AND IT CHANGES THE WHOLE OPERATION OF THE SITE.
AND THAT TIMING WAS BROUGHT UP IN SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS ABOUT STACKING AND TRAFFIC GOING OUT ONTO CAMP ROAD.
SO WHENEVER THOSE ISSUES WERE BROUGHT UP BY PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS OR THE PUBLIC, THE RESPONSE WAS, THERE'D ONLY BE TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
AND IT TALKED ABOUT THE, THE GAPS IN CAMP ROAD AND HOW THOSE TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES WOULD FIT.
IF THAT NUMBER INCREASES, THAT CHANGES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
WOULD THE PORT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER AN AVERAGE OF TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES JUST TO GIVE US, AGAIN, IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO SIT COME OUT AND SAY, OH, THAT WAS FOUR MINUTES AND 42 SECONDS AND YOU PROCESSED TWO CARS.
HEY SEAN, YOU JUST CALLED THEM COURT, RIGHT? SO COURT, YOU JUST SAID WHAT THE COURT CONSIDER
YEAH, WELL THIS, WELL, THIS HONORABLE PLANNING BOARD SLASH COURT CONSIDER, I DON'T MIND ON AN AVERAGE OF TWO EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE SYSTEM MAY, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF THEY CHANGE OUT EQUIPMENT AND THE TOTAL OPERATION CHANGES AND YOU'RE PROCESSING TWICE AS MANY CARS ON AVERAGE OF TWO CARS EVERY FIVE MINUTES, WE'LL KNOW IF THEY CHANGE OUT THE EQUIPMENT AND, AND THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND THEY GO TO 32ND CAR WASHES OR ONE MINUTE CAR WASHES, WHICH YEAH.
AND WE'RE FINE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT, DREW.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO SIT THERE WITH A STOPWATCH.
SO, UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED.
IS THAT THE CORRECT COUNT? NO.
BILL, BILL, DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE BILL, DO A ROLL CALL.
YEAH, BECAUSE I TO GET THE TWO.
NOW YOU CAN DO SITE PLAN APPROVAL TONIGHT OR YOU CAN WAIT FOR THREE WEEKS.
I, WE DID DO A DRAFT SITE PLAN.
WE, WE WERE ASKED TO DO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO
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SITE PLAN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE IT AND DO IT IN TWO WEEKS.WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE SITE PLAN HERE.
AM I IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME, SAME EMAIL.
UM, SO SCHMIDT'S CAR WASH PROJECT 5 8 0 9 CAMP ROAD.
THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THEIR ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROJECT.
REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND X-X-B-I-I-I CAMP ROAD SLASH VILLAGE OVERLAY DISTRICT OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S ZONING CODE.
HAVING RECEIVED AND INPUT FROM THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANT APPLICANT AMEND THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S.
COMMENTS HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CAR WASH PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT FIVE CAMP WITH THE FOLLOWING ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT, CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED DECEMBER 11TH, 2022.
THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THREE LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANCE COMPLIANT OR FINAL TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAGE SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
DO WE HAVE OTHER CONDITIONS? I DON'T THINK WE DID.
BOB, YOU THOUGHT DO IT OUT LOUD.
THE HAND THING'S ACTUALLY PRETTY EFFECTIVE 'CAUSE I KIND OF LOOK FOR THE BOX TO LIGHT UP.
SO ANY MOVEMENT REALLY TOUCHES MY EYE.
THE SECOND I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE MUTED BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SAY BAD WORDS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE AGAIN.
UM, AND I WILL ALSO GO IN FAVOR OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, SO FIVE TO TWO, SAME, UH, PEOPLE AS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S IT FOR THAT ONE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
SO THIS IS THE PROJECT WHERE WE HAD, UH, THEY PROPOSED THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AND WE DECIDED THAT IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE TOWN HAS FOR CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS.
SO IT APPEARS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS A STANDARD SUBDIVISION.
UH, DID MR. MANKO GET THE ABILITY TO CALL IN, HE WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS AT TOWN HALL, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, HE, HE, HE, HE TOLD ME THAT WE'LL TALK TO HIM TOMORROW.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T YOU GET US UP TO SPEED ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THIS HAS LAST BEEN IN FRONT OF US PLEASE.
SO, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK.
SO ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD.
AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AS A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
ULTIMATELY A DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT THIS DID NOT SATISFY THE STANDARDS FOR A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
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WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND NOW WE'RE SHOWING A SUBDIVISION WHICH COMPLIES WITH ALL R ONE REQUIREMENTS.UH, WE'RE SHOWING TWO ACCESS POINTS ONTO THE ROAD.
WE ALSO DO SHOW CONCEPTUALLY WHERE OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS WOULD BE ON THE SITE.
OBVIOUSLY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE DE C'S STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO RETAIN A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
WE ARE SHOWING A PUBLIC ROAD THAT WILL COMPLY WITH APPENDIX D, THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, OBVIOUSLY ALL OTHER TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF SANITARY SEWER, WATER, AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO BASICALLY BASED ON THE INPUT THAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN RECEIVED, WE'D LIKE TO ADVANCE THE PROPOSED 67 LOT SUBDIVISION ON THE APPROXIMATELY 35 ACRE PROPERTY ZONE SITE.
UH, BASED ON THE LAYOUT DEPICTED ON THE PLAN PREPARED BY CHRIS SPECIFICALLY DRAWING C 100 DATED DECEMBER 1ST OF THIS MONTH.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT AS, UH, PART OF THE, THE PROPOSED FOR A CLUSTER.
THEY HAD TO SUBMIT A PROJECT THAT WAS CALLED THE AS OF RIGHT.
UH, AND IT HAS SOME UPDATES TO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? BILL? THIS IS DREW.
I'M SORRY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
IS THIS A COMPLETED PRELIMINARY PLAT? SO WE ARE AT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE ARE STARTING THAT PROCESS.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, THIS IS FOR CHRIS AND SEAN.
UM, THE BOUNDARY LINE ALONG WHERE BIG TREE ROAD IS, WHERE YOU'RE LEAVING THAT BIG LOT BEHIND THAT FACES BIG TREE THAT'S BEING SPLIT OFF.
AND SECONDLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
THE ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY RUNS ALONG THE CREEK CARTER AND SOME OF THIS LAND MAY BE ZONE C3 THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
THE HOUSES ALONG UP HERE, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
IT DOES, IT RUNS ALONG THE CREEK LINE IN THAT AREA BY BIG TREE ROAD.
I OKAY, WE WILL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND IS THAT PIECE BEING SPLIT OFF THAT'S GONNA BE LEFT BEHIND, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FARMHOUSE AND UH, AND THE BARNS AND STUFF ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
YOU KNOW THAT? I THINK IT'S C3, I'M PRETTY SURE.
AND THE ZONING DISTRICT, I HAD TO LOOK IT UP.
IT FOLLOWS THE STREAM CARD OR IT'S BIZARRE.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND EITHER CHANGE.
'CAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE LOTS IN IF IT'S, IF THEY'RE IN THE C3 DISTRICT.
THAT STREAM IS WHERE THOSE LOTS ARE, RIGHT CHRIS? I, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE PLAN.
UM, THE, THE PLAN THAT HAS THE CONTOURS ON IT KIND OF SHOWS BETTER WHERE THE CREEK IS.
RIGHT? IT DOES, DOES IT DOES ENCROACH IN FOUR OF 'EM.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING I PICKED UP THERE IS THAT, THAT'S KIND OF BIZARRE ZONING DISTRICT LINE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WITH THE
'CAUSE WE HAVE JOINED TOWN PARKLAND IS SECONDLY IS THAT WHOLE ISSUE.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT DO YOU WANT 10% GREEN SPACE OR RECREATION SPACE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT? OR YOU'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF, I KNOW THE TOWN BOARD IS AT DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THAT, BUT BECAUSE IT ADJOINS A TOWN REC FACILITY AND THERE'S A SNOWMOBILE TRAIL AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, DOES THE TOWN WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS OR ARE THEY GONNA TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF, SO I THINK THAT'S SOME COORDINATION WE'LL HAVE TO DO WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THEN IF WE'RE A COMPLETED APPLICATION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD COULD TONIGHT AUTHORIZE SARAH AND I TO BEGIN THE SEEKER COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS.
WE HAVE A FULLY AF SARAH, I ASSUME? I DON'T THINK SO.
RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA GET US THAT SEAN AND CHRIS.
SO WE WANTED, WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK AND SHOW THE UPDATE LAYOUT, BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL SUBMIT, UM, A COMPLETED PART, ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR, RIGHT.
SO MAYBE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL WANT TO CONSIDER AND THEN START IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THEY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INPUT ON THE LAYOUT AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I'LL LET, I'LL, I'LL MUTE NOW AND LET THE PLANNING BOARD ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I, FEW THINGS I PICKED UP.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO REVISE THE, I JUST HAVE THE ONE PLATE PAGE
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HERE, THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.IS IT POSSIBLE TO SHOW THE ZONING BOUNDARY AREA CHANGES ON, ON THIS PLAT? YEAH.
AND AS WELL AS THAT STREAM? YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, UH, DREW'S SUGGESTION WAS WE, WE GET THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN WE START THE COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE CAN REVIEW THE A F AND THEN PLANNING BOARD CAN THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT, GIVE US ANY OTHER INPUT.
WE'LL START THAT COORDINATED REVIEW AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU CAN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING DURING THE COORDINATED REVIEW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE DONE.
SO AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU COULD CALL PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'RE READY TO GO THERE YET.
SARAH, WE SHOULD GET INPUT FROM THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD, THE CONSERVATION BOARD, ET CETERA.
I GET THOSE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TOO.
ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT TIMEFRAME? NO.
I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD A ABOUT THIS.
AND I KNOW THEY WERE PLANNING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME, SOME COMMENTS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WE, OR ISSUES WE THINK WE CAN DEAL WITH ON THIS PROJECT TODAY THEN? OKAY, THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MANKO TO JANUARY 6TH.
SO THAT IS IT FOR EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SARAH, YOU HAD SOMETHING ABOUT COVID TESTING THAT WE SHOULD DO IN FOR BUSINESS? YEAH.
SHARMA, WHOSE PROPERTY OR BUSINESS IS ON THE CORNER OF PLEASANT AND SOUTHWESTERN, HAS BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOST, UM, AN OUTFIT THAT WOULD DO RAPID COVID TESTING.
UM, THEY BROUGHT IT UP ON FRIDAY TO ROGER.
HE'S VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ALLOWING IT WITHOUT PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
IT WOULD BE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S DEVELOPED.
SO I I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT SIDE IT'S GONNA BE ON.
UH, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS BECAUSE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS AT TO THAT PROPERTY ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ALREADY BAD INTERSECTION OF PLEASANT AND SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTING BECAUSE IT WILL BE, IT WOULD BE OPEN AT NIGHT, SO THERE WOULD BE A GENERATOR RUNNING WITH NOISE, HAVING THE LIGHT ON.
SO HE HAD ISSUES ALSO, UM, WITH, WELL I THINK CAMMIE AND I WORKED, OR CAMMIE WORKED THIS OUT, BUT WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL FIRST THEY WANTED, WANTED TO PUT, UM, MILLINGS DOWN ENGINEERING SAID NO.
SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE CRUSH AND RUN.
UM, I, THE ATTORNEY, COREY AUERBACH ASKED ME LAST NIGHT IF THEY COULD HAVE A LATE ITEM ADD-ON AND I SAID, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THAT.
SO I COULD SARAH, SARAH, QUICK QUESTION.
UM, DID THE TOWN ELIMINATE, WE USED TO HAVE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
DID THEY ELIMINATE THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK ROGER IS CONSIDERING THAT ROGER WANTS PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF THIS.
BUT IF THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING TEMPORARY, IS IT IS SOMETHING HE'S GONNA DO PERMANENT.
IT'S GONNA BE, THEY HAVEN'T SAID IT'S GONNA BE TEMPORARY, SO THEY'RE GONNA DO RAPID COVID TESTING FOREVER.
IF IT'S A PERMANENT USE THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, IT SHOULD COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WELL, ROGER HAS SAID IT'S GOTTA HAVE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.
IS IT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE? IT'S NOT A NO, IT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF A TRAILER OR SOMETHING I GUESS.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T USE, THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T USE EITHER ACCESS POINT THAT'S THERE NOW.
THEY ACTUALLY BREAK SOME OF THE, UH, CURBING THAT'S THERE NOW AND USE THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO REALLY DO ANYTHING TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE WELL, RIGHT, AND, AND THAT'S, AND WHAT'S DIFFICULT IS, I MEAN, RAPID COVID TESTING THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND WE, WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO EVEN, WELL EVEN KNOW WHAT TO LOOK AT TONIGHT.
ROGER SUGGESTED TO THE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA
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THAT THEY TRY A PLACE LIKE THE MALL OR A CCC SOUTH WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ROOM.SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THIS IS NEXT TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THOUGH, RIGHT? WELL, SURE.
AND SHARMA, UH, EXPECTS TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF IT TOO, SO THAT'S WHY HE'D LIKE IT THERE.
WELL, AND I, I, I CAN SEE WHY IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO, TO DO THESE TYPES OF TESTS NEXT TO A PLACE WHERE THERE'S TRAINED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS INSTEAD OF AT THE MALL NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ANNIE'S, UH, UH, PRETZEL PLACE.
WELL, PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA WOULD BRING, HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE I THINK.
I THINK HE'S JUST GIVING THEM THE, THE SPOT.
SO ANYWAY, I I I HAVE TO BRING IT UP, BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO GIVE YOU.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN WE'LL TALK, WE'LL TALK TO ROGER.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES COME UP NOW.
IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, DO SOMETHING AS A TEMPORARY SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THREE MONTHS OR FOUR MONTHS WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO, FOR ANY, ANY LONGER USE THAN THAT.
UM, AND, AND HE'S GONNA HAVE GET, I THINK, I THINK GOT HERE.
ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAD A MEETING WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND I WAS GONNA TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT SCHEDULING ANOTHER ONE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN EVERYBODY WAS AVAILABLE.
UM, IS THERE A DAY THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE TO HAVE SUCH A MEETING AND WE CAN SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.
UM, SO WE COULD DO A SPECIAL MEETING ON THIS TEMPORARY APPLICATION AND HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
I'M SURE COREY WOULD GET IT TO US VERY QUICKLY.
UM, OR USED TO BE OUR ATTORNEY.
AND UH, AND THEN AFTER WE DO THAT, WE COULD HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR, OUR CURRENT ATTORNEY.
WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT PLAN? I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, PRUDENT OF US TO TRY AND HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE USE THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK IT'S, THERE'S ENOUGH OF A COMMUNITY NEED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE WISE TO PUT THIS OFF IF WE COULD ADDRESS THIS AND GET THIS IN THE COMMUNITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT IN ERIE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, THE ONE IN ERIE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
IT'S NOT ONE YOU CAN JUST GO UP TO ON YOUR OWN.
AND SO IT'S A RATHER LENGTHY PROCESS AND YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY.
YOU HAVE TO BE EITHER IN A CATEGORY LIKE THERE'S OTHER THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST RIGHT YOU SYMPTOMS AND YOU WANNA GET TESTED.
SO WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME ARE WE LOOKING AT? WE NEED MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
WE NEED SOME TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
WE NEED TIME TO NOTICE A SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, ARE PEOPLE FREE ON THE 30TH? THAT WOULD BE THE TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
IT WOULD STILL BE A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
IT'S JUST THE FIFTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
OR IS THAT TOO LATE? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT MORE THAN LIKELY THE BOARD WON'T LOOK AT IT UNTIL THE, THEIR NEXT MEETING.
IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM.
BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO BACK THAT UP.
BUT ISN'T OUR NEXT MEETING AFTER THE BOARD, LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS FIGURED OUT BEFORE THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING.
SO THE TOWN CAN TOWN BOARD HAS NO INPUT.
IT'S ONLY YOU GUYS? IT'S ONLY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THE SUN COMES OUT ON THURSDAYS, CORRECT? YES.
SO THE EARLIEST WE COULD HAVE IT LEGALLY WOULD NOTICE WOULD BE MONDAY THE 28TH.
SO THE, THE TIMES, THE, THE EARLIEST WE COULD HAVE IT WOULD BE 28TH, 29TH OR THE 30TH.
THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
DO WE WANNA DO THAT ON WEDNESDAY THE 30TH? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO DO IT? WEDNESDAY THE 30TH? I AM AVAILABLE ANY NIGHT, WHATEVER WORKS.
AND IS EVERYBODY WILLING TO STICK AROUND EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THAT MEETING FOR, UH, A CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY MEETING? YEAH, I'M GOOD.
WHAT, WHAT TIME ON THE 30TH, BILL? EVAN.
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DOUG'S QUIET.DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU, DOUG? HE'S GONE.
NO, I'M, YEAH, I'M, HE'S THERE.
BUT
TALK ABOUT THE END OF THE MONTH OR NEXT MONTH OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU JUST DECIDE AND I MAKE IT OR DON'T, THAT'S ALL.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE WILL HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
UM, IT'LL BE THE DAY BEFORE NEW YEAR'S EVE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE IT 1130 AND WE CAN DO LIKE A COUNTDOWN.
WE'LL DECIDE TO TELL ME YOUR PREFERENCE.
WE COULD START, WE COULD HAVE THE ATTORNEY MEETING AT SIX BEFOREHAND, OR WE COULD HAVE THE ATTORNEY MEETING AFTERWARDS.
PEOPLE CAN LET ME KNOW YOUR PREFERENCE ON THAT.
BY THE WAY, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT TOO.
IF, IF IT WORKED OUT REAL WELL AND YOU GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THAT MEETING NIGHT, YOU COULD RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING A BUILDING OVER A CERTAIN SIZE ANYWAY.
SO IF, IF, IF IT WORKS OUT, HE, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE IF THEY'RE PUTTING A NEW ACCESS OUT ON THE ROAD, WHAT ROAD AND WHO'S GONNA APPROVE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE THE SAME
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL.
UM, I MEAN I I THINK THE REASON WE'D WE'RE SCHEDULING A SPECIAL MEETING IS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S TIME SENSITIVE.
SO, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.
WE GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE, NOT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE RIGHT.
WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
THEY'RE DEALING WITH SOME SPECIAL EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
BOB, HOW, HOW LONG ON THE 30TH WOULD THAT MEETING BE, BILL? APPROXIMATELY ABOUT AN HOUR.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT LONG.
WELL, IF YOU ADD THE ATTORNEY MEETING.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT AFTER THE SEVEN O'CLOCK.
I WAS GONNA HAVE PEOPLE TELL ME WHETHER THEY PREFERRED TO DO IT BEFORE OR AFTER.
I GOTTA ZOOM AT EIGHT O'CLOCK ON THE 30TH, SO I CAN'T DO YOU PREFER BEFORE? YES, PLEASE.
WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE THINK FOR BEFORE OR AFTER? I, I'M OKAY IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BE THERE, BUT I HAVE A, A REAL IMPORTANT ZOOM AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE'LL MEET WITH JENNIFER AT SIX.
UM, BY WEBEX, THAT WON'T BE BROADCAST AS A CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY MEETING.
I CAN ALSO SEND EVERYONE A SEPARATE ZOOM THAT WE COULD DO IT.
OH, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO THAT THEN.
SO, SO JENNIFER WILL SEND US A ZOOM AND WHEN AT THEN WE'LL DO THIS SPECIAL MEETING AND, UM, HOPEFULLY HAVE ENOUGH BY WEBEX RIGHT.
BY WEBEX AND HOPEFULLY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, ON THAT DAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? BILL? YES, DOUG? BILL? YES.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO, HOLD ON.
WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THE MINUTES YET HERE.
DON'T JUST HANDED OUT BOTTLES OF WINES.
SO WHY DO WE WANNA LEAVE
I, I I SAVED A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR NOT HAVING AN IN PERSON MEETING TODAY.
UH, SO SARAH, I HAD, I HAD A COMMENT ON THE MINUTES.
SO DID I, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME COMMENT ON PAGE FIVE OF THE MINUTES.
IT GOES, MS. TARA MATHIAS FROM THE BROADWAY GROUP STATED THAT PERIOD, AND THAT'S THE END OF IT.
I THINK THERE WAS, UM, I THINK WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT AN OLD VERSION OR WHAT.
SO I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO TABLE APPROVING THE MINUTES TO THE NEXT MEETING.
IS THAT YOUR COMMENT, MEGAN? YEAH, PROBABLY.
IT'S PROBABLY JUST A SENTENCE THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
UM, OH, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE UNDER THAT AGENDA ITEM.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT AGENDA ITEM.
I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE, OH YEAH, HIT SAVE IF YOU ATTACHED IT AND THEN HIT SAVE.
THAT'S, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
I'LL SE I'LL CHECK ON THAT TOMORROW.
THERE'S ALSO A TYPO IN THE LAST THING ABOUT MR. SHAW MAKING A MOTION, UM, ABOUT, I'M ASSUMING ENDING THE MEETING.
BUT IT, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF STUFF IN THERE.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE NOT, I I MUST NOT HAVE SENT THE RIGHT VERSION.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT
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LOOKS LIKE THE, THE STUFF AT THE END IS, UM, DIDN'T GET SAVED OR SOMETHING.SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO ADJOURN.
MY MY KIDS MADE IT FROM CHICAGO IN EIGHT HOURS.