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ALL RIGHT, SO THIS THE WORK SESSION FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS ASSET RECOVERY ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 5 5 9 0 MALU DRIVE.
UM, AL CONTE IS ON, IS ON WEBEX.
YEAH, WE WANNA, WE WANNA PUT THIS BUILDING UP
WE'RE GONNA, UM, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE OFFICE AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT STRUCTURE ON THE, UH, THE BACK OF IT.
BUT WE, WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE DO RECYCLING.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH, WHAT WE DO IS, UH, LIKE CIRCUIT BOARDS MOSTLY.
WE DON'T REALLY DISMANTLE ANYTHING, JUST WE BUY AND SELL CIRCUIT BOARDS.
I, I THOUGHT ASSET RECOVERY WOULD BE, UH, DEBT COLLECTIONS.
WE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA CHANGE IT TO JUST AREA RECYCLING.
AND HE'S APPLIED ALREADY FOR THE MARCH 2ND ZZBA, BECAUSE ALL THOSE PROPERTIES ON MELU ARE OPPOSITE RA LAND, AND THE CODE REQUIRES A 50 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK RATHER THAN THE USUAL 40.
SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WHO BUILDS ON MELU HAS TO GO AND GET THIS 10 FOOT VARIANCE AND HE'S GOING ON MARCH 2ND.
AND WOULD IT, SO IT'S GONNA HAVE A 40, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DRAWINGS OR SITE PLANS ON THIS, DO WE? YES, YOU DO.
AND, AND THOSE, THOSE RA PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS PRETTY MUCH ALL WETLANDS, RIGHT? SARAH? I THINK IT'S WETLAND.
AND THEN SHOW YOU HAVE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE.
'CAUSE NOTHING'S SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.
UH, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE, CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S STUFF OUTSIDE.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE TRUCKS OUT THERE AND STUFF.
YOU'RE NOT STORING EQUIPMENT OR MATERIALS OR WHATEVER OUTSIDE.
EVERYTHING'S INSIDE THE BUILDING.
ALL, ALL THAT WE, EVERYTHING WE USE FOR RECYCLING WOULD BE INSIDE.
I MEAN, THERE'S USUALLY A TRUCK OR TWO THAT SITS IN THE PARKING LOT.
ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE IN THE PARKING LOT? UM, WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE FORD TRUCK, BUT I'M PROBABLY GONNA SCRAP THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
IT'S, IT'S GETTING OUT THERE NOW.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.
ANY CHANGE TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC AT THE SITE? NO.
THERE'S REALLY, NO ONE HAS REALLY ANY BUSINESS BEING THERE UNLESS THEY'RE COMING TO MY PLACE.
SO I, I, YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY, UH, TIME I'VE BEEN BACK THERE IS WHEN I DROVE PAST ANOTHER PROJECT ON THE STREET AND THEN TURN AROUND.
SO I, I, I PUT THE, THE PLANS THAT WE GOT UP ON THE SCREEN.
CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S EXISTING? YEAH, I PICTURE IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH WHAT, UM, THE OFFICE IS GONNA STAY.
IT'S 560 SQUARE FEET AND THEN PRETTY MUCH THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE A NEW BUILDING.
THE THE ISSUE WITH THIS CURRENT BUILDING IS THE ROOF IS SO LOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN BRING A PICKUP TRUCK IN THERE.
SO THE WHITE PART IS THE, UM, OFFICE THAT STAYS AND THE HATCHED.
WHAT IS NEW? THE HASH FOR THE DOTS WILL BE WHAT COMES OUT.
AND THEN THEY, THE WHOLE ASH PART WOULD BE NEW.
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SO WHERE ARE THE TRUCKS COMING IN FROM? ARE, IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING STILL GONNA BE PART OF THE EXISTING BUILDING? IS THERE AN EXISTING, UH, GARAGE DOOR THERE? THERE'S A GARAGE DOOR IN THERE NOW, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY UNUSABLE.LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T EVEN BRING A PICKUP TRUCK IN THERE AND YOU COULD PROBABLY WALK THROUGH IT, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
WELL, THE CURRENT BUILDING'S IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE.
AND I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, IT'S, IT NEEDS SOME WORK.
IF WE HAVE WETLANDS ACROSS THE STREET, DO WE HAVE WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY? AND WHAT KIND OF RECYCLING'S GONNA BE GOING ON THERE THEN IF WE HAVE WETLANDS TO BE CONCERNED WITH? WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALL EXIST.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE MUCH, I INSTALL ELECTRONICS FOR THE, UH, CIRCUIT BOARDS.
LIKE WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT LIKE CUTTING ANYTHING UP OR NOTHING LIKE THAT.
WE JUST RECYCLE CIRCUIT BOARDS.
NOW, NOW YOU RECYCLE, BUT YOU DON'T SELL THE LOCATION.
CORRECT? I MEAN, I CAN'T GO IN THERE AND BUY A CIRCUIT BOARD FROM ME.
WE WE'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ANY REAL WAY.
SO REALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF, UH, CAR TRAFFIC IN THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY NO FOOT TRAFFIC, SO NO, PRETTY MUCH JUST, WE'RE GONNA BE STORING, UH, PALLETS PRETTY MUCH.
SARAH, THIS PROJECT, OTHER THAN NEEDING THE SET, THE SETBACK DIFFERENCE WITH THE 50 FEET MEETS ALL THE OTHER CODE REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? YES, IT DOES.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THE CURRENT BUILDING, CORRECT? NO.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S A SEEKER TYPE TWO ACTION.
UM, BUT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE, THE MAP, BUT I BELIEVE THE, THE FED, THE STATE WETLAND IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND MOST OF THE AREA HE'S PROPOSING AND, BUT WE'LL CHECK IS ALL DISTURBED AREA.
YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT A HUNDRED FOOT ADJACENT AREA.
SO HE IS ON THE, AT THE ZONING BOARD ON MARCH 2ND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHEN DO YOU WANNA COME BACK IN FRONT OF US? UM, SOON.
WELL, UM, OUR FIRST MEETING AFTER MARCH.
I WOULD RECOMMEND MARCH 3RD PUBLIC HEARING AND WE COULD APPROVE IT THAT NIGHT IF IT GETS HIS VARIANCE.
OR WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT IF YOU WANT.
I I THINK MARCH 3RD WOULD BE THE DATE TO DO IT.
THAT, BECAUSE THE VARIANCE WILL BE HEARD THE DAY BEFORE.
UM, ANY, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK ON THE BOARD THAT WORKS? I'M FINE.
I'D RATHER WAIT, DO THE HEARING AFTER THE, THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED.
SO PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON THE 3RD OF MARCH? YES.
SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ASSET RECOVERY ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES FOR MARCH 3RD.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE THIRD.
NEXT ITEM ON THE, TECHNICALLY, I'M SORRY.
IF, IF NOTHING COMES UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, OR THERE'S NO ISSUES AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN, WE COULD TECHNICALLY APPROVE THAT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOB BIEBER REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT POLE BARN AT 6 4 6 5 RAILROAD AVENUE.
UH, BOB BIEBER'S ALSO ON, UM, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO TELL YOU IS HE DID SEND ME COLOR RENDERINGS OF HIS BUILDING, BUT I CAN'T FORWARD IT TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE FORMAT IT'S IN.
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TWO WEEKS, I CAN JUST SHOW YOU IN PERSON.UM, DO WE HAVE A, A DROPBOX SET UP? MAYBE YOU CAN PUT 'EM ON LIKE, SO WE CAN ACCESS THE FILES.
UH, I'LL HAVE, BOB AND I ARE GONNA HAVE TO TALK.
THE WAY HE SENT IT TO ME WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT I COULD FORWARD.
BOB, YOU WANT WHAT FILE FORMAT WERE THERE? IS THERE A REASON THEY COULDN'T GET SENT? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER.
MAYBE BOB, YOU CAN REMEMBER HOW IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE EMAIL SO I COULD LOOK AT IT, BUT I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
UM, I HAD TO SIGN INTO SOME PROGRAM OR SOMETHING, BUT BOB AND I ARE GONNA WORK ON THAT.
CAN YOU TRY AND DISTRIBUTE THAT OR FIND A WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THAT SO THAT FOLKS WHO ARE NOT AT THE MEETING CAN SEE IT? IF I CAN I WILL ASK HER.
WE CAN PROBABLY, I MEAN, THE SIGN IN INFORMATION, IF IF IT'S, IF IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE REST OF US, WE COULD ACCESS IT THE WAY YOU DID.
WHERE WE SIGN IN TO WHATEVER PROGRAM THAT IS.
YEAH, THAT'S HOW, SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO DO IT.
OH, ALSO, I MIGHT AS WELL TELL YOU TOO, UM, BOB OWNS TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
ONE IS GUT FRONTAGE ON LAKE VIEW, AND THE OTHER ONE HAS FRONTAGE ON RAILROAD AVENUE.
AND FRANK WHALEN THOUGHT THAT THIS POLE BARN WAS BEING BUILT.
HE, FRANK WHALEN DIDN'T KNOW HE OWNS TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY THE PLAN INDICATES LAKEVIEW AVENUE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE PC OWNS THAT HAS FRONTAGE ON RAILROAD AVENUE.
THAT'S WHY THE TWO ADDRESSES IS BOB'S ON HERE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
UM, THE RE I, I TRIED TO GET YOU PICTURES IN.
UM, YOU CAN'T FIND INK ANYWHERE,
I WENT ALL OVER TO TRY TO FIND, YOU KNOW, COPY INK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I TRIED TO SEND HIM THE EMAIL, YOU KNOW, BY EMAIL FOR THE PICTURES.
BUT, UM, IT'S A BASIC, YOU KNOW, POLE BARN BUILDING.
I GUESS I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE FOR ME OR, AND THIS AND THIS AREA.
ZONED M TWO, UH, I GUESS, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN THE POLE BARN? AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? I JUST, I JUST WANT TO USE IT FOR COLD DRY STORAGE AND GET, GET IT LIKE, UH, SOME OF MY PERSONAL STUFF INSIDE THERE, LIKE RV.
AND THEN I GOT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME SNOWPLOW STUFF, JUST PERSONAL STUFF THAT, THAT I CAN GET OUT OUT OF THE WEATHER.
AND KIDS, UM, ONE TIME WENT AND BUSTED ALL THE WINDOWS
WHAT'S THERE NOW? UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S, WE'VE HAD STUFF THERE, BUT IT'S JUST A KIND OF VACANT STONE.
IS THIS GONNA BE VEHICLE STORAGE? UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, LIKE I GOT A TERRAX MACHINE THAT CAN GO INSIDE OR, OR TRAILERS JUST STUFF TO STOP PEOPLE FROM ANALYZE IT AND GETTING IT OUTTA THE WEATHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT, UM, IT'S BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND IT'S ON A, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WHAT I WOULD SAY A PAPER ROAD KINDA DEAD ENDS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T EVEN GET PLOWED BY THE TOWN.
A THAT'S STEEL LAKEVIEW SMORGASBORD.
BUT YOU ARE GONNA BE STORING VEHICLES, UH, IN THERE WITH GAS.
UM, WELL, LIKE THE, THE ONLY VEHICLE I REALLY WANNA GET IN THERE IS MY RV, WHICH IS A DIESEL.
AND, UM, AND, UM, MAYBE THE TERRAX, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PERSONAL STORAGE GARAGE FOR YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE BUILDING, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE COLOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS, UM, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR, OH, IT'S NOT CHUCK BACK.
IT'S, BUT IT'S, UH, THE BUILDING UP ON 20 BY CALDWELL'S OVER, UM, 18 MILE CREEK.
THE, I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
IT'S A NEW YOUNG KID THAT'S GOT A BUSINESS AND HE JUST PUT UP A BUILDING.
IT'S SIMILAR IN COLOR, YOU KNOW, BLACK AND BROWN.
AND BOB, COULD YOU, COULD YOU EMAIL ME THE, THAT ADDRESS MAYBE AND I CAN FORWARD THAT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH, I SURE CAN.
SO I, DREW'S GONNA TELL US THE SAME THING, THAT THIS IS A TYPE
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TWO ACTION, UM, AND WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH DOING THAT ON THIS PROJECT? JUST A NOTE FOR EVERYBODY.
I PUT IT MY, IN MY MEMO, IT IS IN THE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY.
BUT LOOKING AT IT, THAT BUILDING'S GONNA BE SET SO FAR BACK ON THE PROPERTY BEHIND THERE.
SO I KNOW WITH OTHER PROJECTS INTO FEDEX AND LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE AND AGAINST THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO ANYTHING 'CAUSE IT'S SET SO FAR BACK ON THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE IT FROM ANYWHERE.
WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT SOME OF THIS, SEE WHAT THE RENDERINGS LOOK LIKE, BUT, UH, UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOB BIEBER FOR, UH, FEBRUARY 17TH.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ATTORNEY SEAN HOPKINS REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT IN FRONT OF 3 4 6 4 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
SO THAT'S THE, UH, RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN BUILDING USED TO BE TOYS US, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH TIMOTHY FRY TAG FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING IN ALBANY, NEW YORK AND CLINT MATSON.
AND THIS IS GONNA GIVE AWAY WHO THE USER IS OF CHICK-FIL-A.
SO WE'RE HERE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH, OF COURSE, DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES.
WE'RE AT THE CORNER OF 34 64 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THE SITE WELL.
IT'S CURRENTLY THE LOCATION OF RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN, AS WELL AS SKECHERS.
THE SITE IS PROPERLY ZONED C TWO.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT DARK LINE SURROUNDS THE BORDER OF THE SITE THAT IS A LEASE LINE.
WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY NEW PROPERTY LINE OR NEW PARCEL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS REQUEST.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TIM BOWLER.
HE'S GONNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE LAYOUT ITSELF.
OBVIOUSLY THE REASON WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION.
SO WE DO WELCOME YOUR INPUT ON ASPECTS OF THE LAYOUT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH THE SUBMISSION OF FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS AND A SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TIM.
FRIED TAG WITH BOWLER ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF, UH, CHICK-FIL-A
AS SEAN MENTIONED, WE'VE SUBMITTED THIS PRELIMINARY SKETCH PLAN TO THE BOARD FOR OUR CONVERSATIONS THIS EVENING.
HOW'S THAT? IS THE ECHO GONE? GREAT.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH, UH, DRIVE THROUGH AND OUTDOOR DINING FACILITIES.
UH, THIS LIES IN THE HEAVILY COMMERCIALIZED AREA, UH, BETWEEN I 90 AND THE MCKINLEY MALL.
THERE ARE NEIGHBORING USES, UH, SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED USE CONSISTING OF MCDONALD'S, TIM HORTON'S, UH, STARBUCKS, ET CETERA.
SO WE ARE IN HARMONY WITH THIS, UH, AREA OF THE C TWO DISTRICT.
UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT MONTH, WE'LL BE PULLING TOGETHER OUR FORMAL FORMAL SITE PLAN, APPLICATION MATERIALS, AND SEEKER SUBMISSION IN SUPPORT OF OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW, UH, REQUEST.
THIS WILL INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, FORMAL DETAILED ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, ELEVATIONS, AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION INFORMATION FROM OUR PARTNERS OVER AT SRF ASSOCIATES.
UH, THEY'VE WORKED WITH US ON MANY OF THE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A PROJECTS AS WE CONTINUE TO, UH, BRING CHICK-FIL-A TO THE UPSTATE NEW YORK MARKET.
THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A PROGRAM.
UH, THIS SITE IS THE THIRD, REALLY, TO THE BUFFALO AND SURROUNDING MARKETS.
WE'VE RECENTLY OPENED TWO LOCATIONS ABOUT 20 MILES AWAY IN THE TOWN OF CHIA.
THERE'S A THIRD LOCATION, ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY IN ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA TO THE PROPOSED, UH, SITE HERE.
THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWS THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
AS SEAN MENTIONED, IT'S WITHIN
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A 0.6 ACRE LEASE PARCEL PART OF THE OVERALL FOUR ACRE RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN PARCEL.THERE'S GOING TO BE SHARED ACCESS AND PARKING AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.
UH, WE'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING ACCESS DRIVES TO THE RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN PARCEL TODAY FOR ACCESS TO THE CHICK-FIL-A SITE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS TO MCKINLEY OR MILE STRIPP ROAD.
AND THERE'LL BE ABOUT, UH, 205 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED TO BE SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO USES.
THERE'LL BE A DUAL DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
IT'S, UH, ISOLATED DOUBLE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE CIRCULATING THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
THIS REALLY HELPS ISOLATE THE DRIVE THROUGH GUESTS VERSUS THE DINE IN AND PARKING, UH, GUEST FACILITIES WITHIN THIS DRIVE THROUGH.
THEY'LL CONTAIN, UM, PAYMENT STRIPING, CURBING MENU BOARDS AND ASSOCIATED CANOPIES FOR THESE ACTIVITIES.
UH, AT CHICK-FIL-A, THEIR PROGRAM ALLOWS, UH, TEAM MEMBERS TO REALLY ENHANCE THE ORDERING AND MEAL DELIVERY EXPERIENCE FOR GUESTS.
THERE'LL BE FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTIONS WITH, UH, CHICK-FIL-A TEAM MEMBERS AND PATRONS, UH, WITHIN THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
THE SITE PLAN INCREASES GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER BY, UH, QUITE A BIT.
WE'RE INCREASING ABOUT 2,500 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE ON THE SITE.
UTILS ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE SITE FRONTAGE.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR THE USE AS WELL AS PROVIDING, UH, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS CENTER, SO THIS SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU JUST SHOWS THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AT THIS POINT, IT'S PRELIMINARY HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, SEE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE WE PULL TOGETHER THE, UH, MORE FORMAL SUBMISSION.
SO I'LL CERTAINLY TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YES, I DO.
HOW YOU DOING? UM, BOB MAHONEY, UM, ON THIS PROJECT, YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE FROM MCKINNEY.
HOW MANY, WHERE'S THE EXIT? I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM, I CAN'T SEE IT.
SO THIS PLAN, UM, DOESN'T QUITE SHOW THE ENTIRE RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN PR PROPERTY.
SO HERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER YOU'LL SEE AN ENTRANCE MILE STRIP.
AND THEN JUST BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THIS, UH, DRAWING TO THE SOUTHEAST IS A ANOTHER EGRESS.
AND, UM, I DO HAVE AN AERIAL PULLED UP ON MY SCREEN IF, IF I HAVE, UH, ABILITY TO SHARE THAT MIGHT HELP, UH, FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THAT.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT.
SO I JUST PULLED UP AN AERIAL SHOWING THIS LOCATION.
THIS SOUTHERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IS THE CHICK-FIL-A DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN IT, THE NORTHEAST CORNER HERE, RIGHT AT THE BACK OF THE RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN FACILITY IS THE ACCESS TO MCKINLEY.
HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW HOW, WHAT THE DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THAT ENTRANCE TO THE CORNER? A MILE STRIP OF MCKINLEY? HOW FAR, HOW MANY FEET APPROXIMATELY? I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT A FEW HUNDRED FEET, YOU KNOW, KNOW.
I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 300 MOST LIKELY.
YEAH, IT'S A DECENT DISTANCE BACK, BOB, BECAUSE, IS IT OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S LIKE BEHIND THE BUILDING ALMOST.
AND WITH THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S THE EXISTING CUT THAT'S THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND IT, AND IT'S THE FURTHEST POSSIBLE LOCATION AWAY FROM THAT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THE STACKING CAPACITY AT THAT SIGNAL.
CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE WOULD GO? SURE.
I'M GONNA JUMP OVER TO A, A SITE PLAN RENDER HERE.
IF YOU CAN SEE THIS PLAN, IT'S JUST A, A COLORED COPY OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS FORMALLY SUBMITTED.
AND YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF OUR DRIVE-THROUGH AND SOME INTERNAL AREAS BETWEEN THE DRIVE-THRU AND THE BUILDING.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE.
UH, CURRENTLY TODAY, THIS IS JUST PAVED PARKING LOT.
I HAVE A TWO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, IN YOUR RENDERINGS, YOU HAVE A SHARED PARKING LOT WITH THE BJ'S PLAZA NEXT DOOR.
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BE CLOSED OFF OR ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, LIKE ZIP IN AT THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION WHERE THE MCKINLEY PARK OR THE BJ'S PARKING LOT IS AND CUT THROUGH, SEE WHERE YOU HAVE THE SHARED PARKING SPACE PARKING LOT AREA? YES.THE SHARED CONNECTIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORING SHOPPING CENTERS ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY.
THAT, THAT WAS A, IT CREATES A COMPLEXITY WITH THE TRAFFIC IN THE SHARED PARKING LOTS BECAUSE WHEN TOYS R US WAS IN THERE, THAT WAS A BUSY CUT THROUGH SPOT.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS TURNING OUT THE RIGHT ON TO MCKINLEY, OR I'M SORRY, MILE STRIP ROAD, WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT OF CHICK-FIL-A TURNING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THERE TO, IS THERE ANYTHING I GUESS I SHOULD ASK TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TURNING LEFT IN THAT AREA? LIKE I KNOW WE DON'T LET STARBUCKS ALLOW PATRONS TO MAKE A LEFT COMING OUT OF THEIR SPOT AND IT'S ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING YOUR CUTOUT SPOT.
YEAH, SO THE EX EXISTING, UM, ACCESS DRIVE TO MILES STRIP TODAY IS A FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS AND IT'S PROPOSED TO REMAIN AS A FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS FOR THIS PROJECT.
THERE IS A CENTER, UM, STAGING AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF MILES STRIP ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE.
THE LEFT, IT'S NOT SHARED CENTER STAGING.
THAT'S A LEFTHAND, AN EXCLUSIVE LEFT-HAND TURN LANE.
A LITTLE BIT OF OUR ACCESS DRIVE.
I WENT OVER AND HAD MY HUSBAND DRIVE ME THROUGH THAT AREA TODAY.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HAS ME CONCERNED IS THE LEFT HAND TURNS OUT OF THERE.
AND ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT SHOPPING, THEY STACK PAST YOUR, PAST YOUR DRIVEWAY THERE JUST TO MAKE LIKE LEFTS AND ESPECIALLY AT THE HOLIDAYS.
SO THAT HAS ME A LITTLE CONCERNED 'CAUSE CHICK-FIL-A IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR TRAFFIC DRAW.
IS CHICK-FIL-A OPEN ON SUNDAY? THEY ARE NOT.
BUT HAVE YOU GONE OFF TO THE ONE OVER BY, UH, CHEEK DAGA? THAT PLACE IS HOPPING MONDAYS THROUGH SATURDAYS, WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH.
I JUST THINK WE, TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE A REAL CONCERN AT THIS SITE AS TO MAKING SURE, BRINGING IN SOMETHING AND WE'RE BEING SUPER SAFE ABOUT IT SO THAT WE DON'T CREATE A TRAFFIC CONCERN.
SO, SO YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, MECHANISMS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE STARBUCKS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IF THEY CAN'T MAKE A LEFT, I, I THINK I AGREE WITH MEGAN THAT IF STARBUCKS CAN'T DO IT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR CHICK-FIL-A TO DO IT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR AS FAR AS TRAFFIC CONTROL.
YEAH, SO WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FURTHER WITH OUR TRAFFIC EXPERTS, SRF ASSOCIATES.
UM, OUR SHOPPING CENTER IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PATTERNS IN THE CENTER ACROSS THE STREET AND STARBUCKS.
SO THERE ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENCES THAT NEED TO BE REVIEWED BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, DOT IS GONNA BE INVOLVED HERE AS WELL.
UH, MCKINLEY BEING A COUNTY ROAD AND MILES STRA BEING STATE ROAD, UM, THEIR REVIEW AND ACCEPTANCE OF OF THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE INCORPORATED.
YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD HERE.
SO I'M SURE WE HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THOSE ARE BOTH COUNTY AND STATE ROADS TOO.
IF WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL AS MUNICIPALITY ONCE WE GIVE OUR GO AHEAD TO GO AND REMEDY TRAFFIC SITUATIONS.
IF WE NOTICE A YEAR FROM NOW THAT WE'RE HAVING A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, THIS IS IT, WE'RE STUCK WITH IT.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SOME REALLY GOOD THOROUGH PLANNING ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SMART CHOICES.
'CAUSE WE DON'T GET A DO OVER AND WE DON'T GET TO REMEDIATE LATER.
SO THE, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS SEAN.
I JUST, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WITH RESPECT TO DRIVEWAYS AND SHARED ACCESS TO THE ADJOINING PROPER PROPERTIES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS LITERALLY IS A TENANT, NOT AN OWNER.
SO I WANT EVERYONE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY ASPECTS OF THE SITE THAT ARE OFF THE LEASE PARCEL.
AND THEN SECONDLY, FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THOSE POINTS ARE ALL WELL TAKEN.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ACCESS ONTO THE ADJOINING ROADWAYS, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER SITE IN TERMS OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE ACTUAL CHICK-FIL-A, THE EXISTING CURB CUTS COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS.
I THINK THE SITE IS PARTICULARLY IDEAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, BUT THAT'S ALL IN THE CONTEXT OF WE UNDERSTAND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT TRAFFIC AND WE'LL REPORT BACK WITH MORE DETAILED INFORMATION AS THAT INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER COMMENT RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUS STOPS AT THAT INTERSECTION AND AROUND THE INTERSECTION THERE'S REGULARLY PEOPLE OUT WAITING FOR THEM.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT HAVING A CHICK-FIL-A WOULD BE A ATTRACTIVE USE FOR PEOPLE WHO
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ARE GRABBING SOMETHING TO GO.UH, CAN YOU FACTOR IN SOME SORT OF SAFE CROSSING ACROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH OR A SAFE PEDESTRIAN PATH FROM THE, FROM THE SIDEWALKS? UM, YEAH, WE'LL, C BUILDING WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
WE WILL, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL DO IT.
UM, MAKE SURE THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF AND IF WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF SAFE WAY TO CROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY, UH, OF, TO ENSURE THAT THAT REMAINS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICE, UM, POPEYE'S ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAD THEM PUT IN SPEED BUMPS SO THEY COULD CROSS THE, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA AND THEY'RE GONE NOW.
GOT RID OF THOSE WHEN, UH, AC MOORE CLOSED WHEN AC MOORE CLOSED AND THEY ADDED IN CORE LIFE IS WHEN THE SPEED BUMPS WENT AWAY.
SO, UM, AS A USER HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA WANT TO ATTRACT SOME OF THOSE GUESTS TO OUR SITE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN RIGHT OF WAY AS WE PROGRESS FURTHER WITH, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE AND GRADING DESIGN.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SIDEWALKS CAN WORK FOR A DA ACCEPTABILITY STANDPOINTS.
BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY WANT TO CONNECT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO OUR SITE.
I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS IS ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE SNOW CLEARING BOTH FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE AS WELL AS I KNOW THAT DURING THE WINTER THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES IN THIS LOT AND THE SURROUNDING LOTS WHERE SNOW GETTING PILE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANDLORD, UH, HAS APPROPRIATE SNOW, SNOW STORAGE, UM, ON THIS PARCEL, UH, THAT IS CLEAR FROM ANY POTENTIAL STACKING AND PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
YEAH, I THINK THEY USUALLY PILE IT OVER, UM, TOWARDS THE SIDE OF THE LOT WHERE THE, THE TIM HORTON'S IS OVER THERE.
BUT I'M NOT RECALLING A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
'CAUSE UM, STRATEGIES MAY NEED TO CHANGE.
UH, MR. F FRIEDER, WHAT WAS THE CAPACITY AGAIN? INSIDE C INSIDE'S GONNA HAVE APPROXIMATELY 120 SEATS OUTSIDE IS GONNA HAVE APPROXIMATELY 24 UH, CHAIRS AT THE PATIO.
AND YOU SAID, WAS IT 205 PARKING SPOTS? CORRECT.
JUST FOR A REFERENCE POINT, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH THE OTHER CHICK-FIL-A IN THE AREA, JUST IN CASE WE GO DRIVING BY AND WE'RE TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT YOUR PROPOSED SITE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON.
SO THE TWO IN CHIA ARE THE CLOSEST FOR YOU GUYS ABOUT 20 MILES NORTH.
THE BUILDING SIZE AND THE SEAT SIZE OR THE SEAT COUNT ARE GENERALLY THE SAME, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS NOW, UH, INCREASE OUR DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING IN WITH THIS SITE LAYOUT.
AGAIN, AS SEAN MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN A REALLY IDEAL, UH, LOCATION TO, TO UTILIZE THE, THE EFFICIENCIES OF THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND THE EXTRA STACKING CAPACITIES.
THIS DRIVE THROUGH HAS GOT CAPACITY FOR ABOUT 35, UM, STACKED VEHICLES.
THE SITES IN CHI TOGA HAVE 20 TO 24 STACKED VEHICLES WITHIN THEIR DRIVE-THRU.
I THINK YOUR NORTH ARROW MIGHT BE FACING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT THEM.
GET RID OF THAT OUT PARCEL IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH GOES.
THERE'S A SECOND PARCEL THAT'S SHOWN ON THE TAX MAPS AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T BELIEVE.
YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I I, I AM AWARE THAT THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO TAX PARCELS HERE.
SO, UH, LET ME FIND OUT THE DETAILS OF THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDLORD.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CREATE ANY NEW PARCELS WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
DREW, I DON'T THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT ONE.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THAT PARKING SPACE WHERE, HOW DO WE COUNT IT IF IT'S, IF IT'S A OUT PARCEL, BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL ALSO NEED A PARKING, UM, YOUR PARKING ANALYSIS BASED UPON THE USES ON THE SITE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO WE BASICALLY CAN, BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THE PARKING LOT COUNT.
AND, AND I AGREE THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT HERE.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THEIR LEFT IS INTO THE TURN LANE.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROHIBITED FROM, FROM TURNING BECAUSE THEY CONFLICT.
THIS ONE MAY SR F'S GONNA HAVE TO SHOW US HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
I MEAN, YOU ARE STACKED PRETTY FAR, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE
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DIFFICULT.AND WE REALIZED THAT AT THE GRAND OPENING FOR THESE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL.
I'VE SEEN THE ME THE MESSES THAT OCCUR AT GRAND OPENINGS FOR THE FIRST FEW WEEKS.
THE ONES IN CHIA YOU COULDN'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR.
AND THE ONE ON TRANSIT ROAD, YOU STILL HAVE PROBLEMS. I TRIED TO STOP TWICE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS AND COULD NOT GET ON THE PARKING LOT.
TIM, HOW MANY PARK DID YOU SAY? 120 SEATS.
SO PER OUR OLD CALCULATIONS, THAT WOULD BE 48 PARKING SPACES.
OVERALL HERE WE'VE UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF GROSS FLOOR AREA THAT AVERAGES TO ABOUT FOUR PER THOUSAND.
WHICH SHOPPING CENTER IS THE RANGE OF PARKINGS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TWO TO FOUR.
SO WE'RE IN GENERAL HARMONY, BUT WE CAN, UM, CERTAINLY PROVIDE DETAILS, UH, ON THAT PARKING ASSESSMENT IN OUR FULL SUBMISSION.
AND THEN JUST CHECKPOINT PLANNING ON STAYING WITH THE CURRENT MODEL THEY HAVE WITH THE CURBSIDE WHERE YOU ORDER ON YOUR APP ONLINE AND THEN PICK UP CURBSIDE.
LIKE YOU GO IN, YOU GRAB IT AND GO.
AND WILL THEY HAVE PARKING SET ASIDE FOR THAT? LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PEDESTRIANS WALKING THROUGH, GRABBING AND GOING, PEOPLE GOING IN TO EAT AND THEN PEOPLE USING THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S A LOT OF MOVING CARS IN ONE SPOT.
YEAH, THERE ARE THREE UH, PIECES.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR DINE-IN GUESTS, YOU'VE GOT YOUR ORDER AHEAD PICKUP, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THAT GOES INTO THE, THE LAYOUT DESIGN HERE THAT YOU SEE WITH THE ISOLATED DRIVE THROUGH AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT GETS THE DRIVE THROUGH AWAY FROM YOUR GUESTS ENTERING THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE DESIGNATED SPACES FOR THE ORDER AHEAD SPOTS TO PULL AHEAD AND THERE'S EVEN A SEPARATE ENTRANCE DOOR INTO THE BUILDING OR THOSE GUESTS, UM, TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THE NINE IN.
AND THEN JUST TO JUMP BACK TO ONE POINT ABOUT, UM, GRAND OPENING AND THEN SOME EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.
SO YES, CHICK-FIL-A DOES HAVE A GRAND OPENING STRATEGY TEAM THAT WILL MOBILIZE, UH, HERE WHEN WE ARE READY FOR GRAND OPENING.
THEY'LL WORK WITH, UH, THE TOWN AND THE LOCAL SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AS NEEDED FOR GRAND OPENING VOLUMES.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OUT THERE TODAY, I'M SURE WALDEN AVENUE IS, IS HAPPENING NOT JUST TO CHICK-FIL-A, BUT TO A LOT OF THESE DRIVE-THROUGH USES, UH, WITH DINING ROOMS CLOSED AND COVID IMPACTS, DRIVE THROUGHS ARE, ARE DEFINITELY STACKING UP AND SEEING A LARGER VOLUME THAN WHAT'S ANTICIPATED.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING, HAS BEEN BUSY SINCE THE DAY IT OPENED.
I THINK IT'S A RARE RARITY THAT YOU GO TO THE WALDEN AVENUE SITE AND THAT PLACE ISN'T BUSY.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY SIDE REQUEST IS WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED OPENING FOR CHICK-FIL-A? SO, UH, WE'RE READY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD WITH PERMITTING.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING THROUGH THE NEXT MONTH, UH, TO PULL TOGETHER THE, THE FULL SUBMISSION MATERIALS.
WE'LL WORK THROUGH, UH, THE PERMITTING PROCESS, BOTH WITH THE TOWN AND THEN THE COUNTY REFERRALS HERE FOR THE SUMMER.
PROBABLY TO KICK OFF, UM, CONSTRUCTION, UH, NEXT SPRING WITH AN OPENING ANTICIPATED OF WHEN, UH, 2222 OPENING.
SO WINTER, SPRING, FALL, UH, YOU'D PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTION, UH, IN THE SPRING DEPENDING ON HOW QUICK WE CAN GET THROUGH APPROVALS.
BUT THEY WANNA START CONSTRUCTION IN LIKE OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER JUST BECAUSE OF THE WINTER.
SO IF WE CAN'T START CONSTRUCTION BY AUGUST OR SO, THEY'LL START EARLY SPRING FOR A FALL 2022 OPENING.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO BE CAREFUL IF YOU DO IT A FALL OPENING.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE STADIUM RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
AND I THINK THE SHERIFFS ARE GONNA GIVE YOU SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE ON A STADIUM GAME.
IF THEY CONTINUE TO DO BILLS GAMES ON SATURDAYS AS WELL AS SUNDAYS, EXCUSE ME, I THEY'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAY.
BUT IF THEY DO BILLS GAME ON A SATURDAY LIKE THEY DID THIS SEASON AND CAN SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO, I WOULD JUST, HONESTLY, I'D RATHER SEE THEM.
I WOULD THE BILLS GAMES ON, BUILT GAMES ON SATURDAYS.
NFL DOESN'T GENERALLY PLAY ON SATURDAY.
YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE A MAJOR CONCERN AT THIS SITE.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD A PROJECT WHERE THERE WAS THE CONNECTED PARKING LOTS.
AND IF I REMEMBER, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING USUALLY SAID ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT THOSE BOARD, THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE WORK.
WE, WE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE THE CONNECTED PARKING LOTS.
WE WE WANT, THAT'S ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
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PARKING LOTS CONNECTED FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH.ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS? BILL? UH, IF ANY.
I, I REMEMBER YOU IS BILL, UH, BILL'S BREAKING UP ON MY END.
I THINK BILL'S JUST LOOKING FOR A QUICK DESCRIPTION OR GUIDANCE IF WE HAVE ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS OR PAST PRECEDENT WITH INTERNAL PARKING AND THE SHARED TRAFFIC FLOW AND HOW WE SHOULD VIEW THIS AS A PLANNING BOARD.
OH, DID WE LOSE DREW? WE HAVE, YEAH.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
WE ENCOURAGE INTERNAL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECT TRAFFIC FLOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
WE LOOKED AT IT, REMEMBER IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE POPEYE'S AND WHATEVER, HOW TRAFFIC WAS GONNA FLOW WITHIN THE PARKING LOT.
THAT'LL BE A CONCERN TO LOOK AT HOW THAT TRAFFIC FLOWS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN THE FLOWING BETWEEN OTHER USES.
WE ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE INTERCONNECTIONS.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO FROM THE ADJOINING PLAZA INTO THIS PLAZA.
NOW CHICK-FIL-A IS A, AND THEY LIKE IT.
THEY, THEY ATTRACT A LOT OF CUSTOMERS.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME FROM ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
YOU'RE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM ORCHARD PARK, FROM THE NORTH, FROM THE SOUTH OFF THE THROUGHWAY, YOU NAME IT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING TO THIS LOCATION.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
THEY'LL NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE EXTERNAL COLLECT CONNECTIONS TO MCKINLEY AND MILES STRIP, BUT HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AND STACKS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PARKING AREA.
WE SHOULD ASK SRF TO ALSO GIVE US SOME FLOW DIAGRAMS OF HOW THEY IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING.
DREW, CAN YOU ALSO, UH, YOU OR JENNIFER POINT US IN THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS ON, UH, DRIVE THROUGH STACKING REQUIREMENTS, THE BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF US VERIFYING THE APPROPRIATE STACKING ON SITE? YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S IN THE CODE.
I WOULD NOT USE WHAT'S IN THE CODE.
UM, I BELIEVE CHICK-FIL-A, LIKE TIM HORTON'S AND WHATEVER HAVE THEIR OWN NUMBERS AND IT EVEN ADDRESSES THEM AS, SO THE NUMBERS IN OUR CODE WILL BE NOT ENOUGH.
WE KNOW THAT, LIKE WITH TIM HORTON'S AND CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER PLACES AND OTHER EXAMPLES OF HOW MUCH, HOW MANY CARS IS, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAID, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRACKING AT LEAST 24 VEHICLES, I THINK, OR I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNIQUE.
OUR CODE WILL NOT ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IN FACT, THAT WAS THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD WHEN THERE WAS A DRIVE-THROUGH, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A, IT'S VERY UNIQUE.
AND BY, BY THE WAY, I APPLAUD CHICK-FIL-A, THEY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY CENTERS AND OTHER PLACES HOW TO RUN DRIVE-THROUGHS AND WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE SUCH STRONG EXPERIENCE OPERATING.
SO WE'RE GONNA LEARN ABOUT HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR DRIVE-THROUGHS AND HOW THEY STACK VEHICLES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THAT AREA.
I MEAN, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THERE'S TWO LANES OF STACKING.
I USED TO LIVE IN A STATE WITH A A LOT MORE, A LOT OF CHICK-FIL-AS AND THEY CAN GET BUSY AT ALL SORTS OF TIMES A DAY.
I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT LAST NAME.
AM I STILL CUTTING OUT OR DID I FIX THAT? NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR TODAY?
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NO.UH, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK? WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE FULL SUBMISSION THIS MONTH IN HOPES TO RETURN EARLY MARCH.
SO OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH IS MARCH 3RD.
OUR SECOND MEETING IN MARCH WOULD BE MARCH 17TH ST.
WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY AND I'LL PUT YOU ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.
WELL THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT CHICK-FIL-A.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SECRET ANYMORE.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
LAST THING FOR THE WORK SESSION IS BPD HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 6 2 2 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY AS A COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
WE HAD A PROJECT IN FRONT OF US, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE THEY WERE REQUESTING A REZONING.
AND THIS PROJECT ISN'T REQUESTING A REZONING, THEY WERE REQUESTING A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZBA, CORRECT? YEP.
THEY RECEIVED A USE VARIANCE AND THEY RECEIVED THAT USE VARIANCE.
YEAH, THEY DID, UH, WITH NO CONDITIONS.
AND, UH, ATTORNEY KEVIN RRU FROM A T AND ATIA, I BELIEVE IS ON THE CALL.
ARE THEY MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? NOPE.
SO SINCE THE ZONING BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE USE AND THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHAT IS OUR JURISDICTION IN THIS? THERE ISN'T MUCH BECAUSE CHANGE, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT CHANGE IN USE.
CHANGE IN USE REQUIRES SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR CAN NOT, DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY IT, BUT TYPICALLY WITH A USE VARIANCE, WE, WE SEE THEM AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO SEEKER ON THIS.
I WON'T SAY WHY, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER.
KEVIN'S, KEVIN'S ON THE LINE, HE CAN TELL YOU.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SEEKER, BUT WE BUT THE USE IS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO ARE YOU, DIDN'T THE ZBA HAVE TO DO SEEKER? THEY FORGOT.
WELL, NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT USED TO DOING SEEKER, SO THEY, I THEY FORGOT.
SO LET'S, LET'S HEAR FROM KEVIN NOW, PLEASE THEN.
UM, SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT TARA SENT YOU, ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE, THE CHURCH BUILDING BE USED, UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE.
THE PROPOSED TENANT IS APEX, LLC.
THEY ARE A, UH, A COMMODITIES TRADER FOR, UH, FARM SUPPLIES.
AND SO THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T REQUEST OR REQUIRE THAT ANYTHING BE STORED ON SITE.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS JUST THE, UH, THE OFFICE SPACE OF THE ENTITY.
WE PROPOSE, UM, THERE WILL BE AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME, UH, 15 TO 20 PEOPLE EMPLOYED TO WORK OUT OF THAT LOCATION.
UM, THERE'S NO, UM, CUSTOMER INTERACTION OUT OF THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR ORDERING, UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DELIVERIES ARE ALL OFFSITE.
UM, THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THERE'S NO PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, IN TERMS OF ADDITION TO THE BUILDING OR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING ESSENTIALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE TITLE TRANSFERS OVER IS FOR THEM TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, THE QUEUES SO THAT THERE'S THE OPEN FLOOR PLAN FOR THEM TO INSTALL, YOU KNOW, THEIR DESK SPACE, ET CETERA.
UM, BILL, COULD I SAY SOMETHING TOO? UM, I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH A NEIGHBOR, HER NAME IS LINDA DANZA, AND SHE LIVES AT 44 86 VALLEY VIEW AVENUE.
I THINK SHE'S LIST OR WATCHING ON FACEBOOK.
UM, HER, SHE'S VERY HAPPY OR SHE'S VERY PLEASED WITH THIS USE BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
SHE HAS A CONCERN THOUGH, ABOUT THE EXISTING OUTDOOR LIGHTS AND I DRIVE BY THERE TWICE A DAY AS ON MY WAY TO WORK AND BACK.
AND THE LIGHTS ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SHINING DOWN.
SO SHE REQUESTS THAT THOSE LIGHTS BE SHIELDED OR POINTED DOWN TOWARDS THE SINK.
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AND, AND IF WE'RE DOING SITE PLAN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS, SO, RIGHT.THAT WAS HER ONLY CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE EXISTING LIGHTING THAT SEEMS TO BE NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH, UH, THE TOWN CODES? UH, I, I CAN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT I VISUALLY INSPECTED.
I MEAN, I KNOW THE LIGHTING HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE.
UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IN PARTICULAR HOW IT SHINES ON THIS, ON THIS RESIDENT.
I MEAN, WE DID NOT HAVE PLANS TO, TO, TO MODIFY OR, YOU KNOW, PUT ANYTHING IN PLACE.
BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE WILLING TO, TO WORK WITH THEM.
I SUPPOSE ME AND THE OWNERS SHOULD PROBABLY HEAD OVER THERE, UH, IN THE EVENING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT, YOU KNOW.
I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE LIGHTING THAT IS BEING REFERRED TO, THERE'S FIVE, UM, PROBABLY 15 FOOT TALL, UM, METAL POSTS THAT SURROUND THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UM, I I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CAPABLE, I'M SURE IF WE CAN READJUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TURN WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A ADJUSTED, UM, WITHIN THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK OR WHETHER THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT TONIGHT.
SHE, SHE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, SHE'S, UH, SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO BRIGHT SPOTLIGHTS THAT ARE ON THE BACK OF THE CHURCH THAT POINT BACK TOWARDS THE PROPERTIES ON VALLEY VIEW.
SO IT'S, IT'S THOSE TWO, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S THE SECURITY LIGHTING THEN I THINK.
UM, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THAT I HAVE THE ANSWERS HOW THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED.
I DON'T, I I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THOSE LIGHTS WOULD BE ADJUSTABLE IN, IN THE WAY THAT THEY RIGHT.
UM, BUT THE EXISTING SECURITY LIGHTING THAT'S ACTUALLY AFFIXED TO THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, USUALLY WHEN WE APPROVE A SITE PLAN, WE REQUIRE THAT THE LIGHTING BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A, AN AREA TO LOOK AT WHEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF IT'S CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND IF, IF THERE'S AN OLD LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THAT, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T GRANDFATHER THAT IN A NEW SITE PLAN, SO.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S EASILY FIXED.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY PURCHASE THINGS TO PUT SCREEN, UH, TO SHIELD THEM AND WHATEVER.
IT CAN BE FIXED FAIRLY EASY, SO.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
I, I, I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE TO SPEAK TO IT BEYOND WHAT I, YOU KNOW, WHAT OBSERVED.
SO, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT WITH MY CLIENT AND WE CAN CHECK IN TO SEE WHAT REMEDIES MAY BE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN KEVIN, JUST LET ME KNOW, UM, HOW YOU'RE, HOW YOU'RE DOING ON THAT, AND THEN I'LL LET THE BOARD KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO SEKER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? WELL, YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING EITHER WAY FOR SITE PLAN SEEKER DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT FOR SITE PLAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WANNA SCHEDULE IN TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND THEN THINK ABOUT ANY CONDITION, ONE OF THEM BEING, OBVIOUSLY THE SHIELDING OF THOSE LIGHTS OR REPLACEMENT OF THOSE LIGHTS.
CAN YOU, UH, INDICATE HOW MANY STAFF APPROXIMATELY WILL BE ON THE PREMISES AND WHAT THE TYPICAL BUSINESS HOURS OR EXPECTATION FOR PARKING AND, AND TRAFFIC TO FROM THE SITE WOULD BE? SURE.
SO, UH, AT PRESENT, UH, IF THEY WERE TO START THERE TOMORROW, UH, WITH THEIR CURRENT STAFFING, THERE'S 15 EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ONE SUPERVISOR SLASH MANAGER.
UM, HE, THE, THE RANGE THAT HE GAVE ME FOR REPORTING TO, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS, YOU KNOW, TO INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE 15 TO 20 IN CASE THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL HIRES.
UM, AND THEIR GENERAL WORKDAY EIGHT 30 TO FIVE 30.
UM, AND THEIR, UH, HE SAID MOST OF THE TIME, IF NOT ALL, NO ONE'S EVER THERE BEYOND THAT OR ON WEEKENDS, THEIR TRADING DAY ENDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NORMAL, UH, WORKDAY, DO THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS OR CLIENTS VISITING OR IS IT TYPICALLY JUST THEM PRESENT AT THE SITE? NOPE.
YEAH, THERE WILL BE NO CUSTOMERS OR CLIENTS VISITING THIS SITE.
AND AGAIN, AND NO DELIVERY OF ANY MATERIALS TO THE SITE.
IS THERE GONNA BE ANY CHANGE TO THE SIGNAGE ON THE SITE? ARE THEY GONNA, I KNOW THE CHURCH HAS SOME EXISTING SIGNAGE.
IS THAT GONNA BE MODIFIED OR REMOVED OR REPLACED? SO THE, UH, THERE'S A SIGN ON THE CORNER OF, OF NEWTON AND MCKINLEY.
UH, BOTH, BOTH SIGNS ARE UNLIT.
THE, THE, THE SIGN ON NEWTON AND MCKINLEY, UM, IS CURRENTLY, IT HAS THE, THE, THE SIGNAGE FOR THE CHURCH.
UH, WE LIKELY WOULD JUST MODIFY THAT SO THAT THAT, BUT NO LONGER IS PRESENT.
THE SIGN, UM, ON NEWTON AT THE, AT THE AUXILIARY ENTRANCE WOULD BE REMOVED.
UM, THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE THAT.
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JUST A SINGLES POST WOODEN SIGN WITH THE NAME OF THE CHURCH ON IT, AT THE, AT THE PARKING AT THE DRIVEWAY ON NEWTON, UH, ON NEWTON ROAD.AND, AND BY THE WAY, FOR THE PLANNING BOARDS EDIFICATION AND THOSE LISTENING, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE ZBA DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONDITIONS ON THIS USE VARIANCE, THE USE VARIANCE IS SPECIFIC FOR THIS USE.
SO THE USE DESCRIBED TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY USED.
YOU CAN'T MODIFY IT, MAKE CHANGES OR PUT ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THERE.
THE USE VARIANCE IS SPECIFIC TO THIS BUSINESS AND USE.
WHICH I, I THINK SOME OF OUR CONCERNS LAST TIME A PROJECT ON THIS SITE WAS IN FRONT OF US WAS, UH, 'CAUSE THEY WERE REQUESTING A REZONING, WHICH OPENS UP FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT USES WHERE, WHERE THIS U USING THIS STRATEGY ONLY ALLOWS THE VERY SPECIFIC USE, UH, WHICH IS A LOT LESS BROAD AND IT PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THIS USE THEY DESCRIBED ON THE RECORD TO THE ZBA NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, NO, NO TRUCK LOADING, NO, NO VISITORS COMING, YOU KNOW, NO CUSTOMERS COMING.
THAT IS THE USE THAT IS APPROVED FOR THAT SITE.
SO IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM OR A COMPLAINT THAT USE VARIANCE COULD BE NULLIFIED WITH A USE VARIANCE.
UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS COMPANY.
UH, I'VE WORKED IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY WORKED IN ON MAIN STREET, HAMBURG.
I BELIEVE THEY BOUGHT THE BUILDING ON LONG AVENUE.
AND I GUESS THE QUICK QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GONNA SELL THAT BUILDING OR JUST NOT USE IT ANYMORE? THE ONE ON LONG AVENUE? I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT OFF HAND.
I KNOW THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE.
THIS IS A NEW LLC, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.
YEAH, I, I SAID I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY DO AND I CAN'T SEE THEM HAVING ANY INFL NOT INFLUENCE, UH, DOING ANYTHING WRONG IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, ANY AREA, ANYTHING OUTSIDE.
EVEN IF YOU WALKED IN THERE, MOST OF EVERYBODY HAVE HEADSETS AND THEY'RE TALKING ON THE PHONE.
SO THEY AREN'T REALLY, THEY AREN'T PHYSICALLY REALLY DOING MUCH OF ANYTHING EXCEPT TALKING TO PEOPLE.
UH, YEAH, IT, IT, THEY'RE, IT'S ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUYING AND SELLING OF A FARM, LIKE I SAID, ALL OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, UM, AT THE SITE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OFFICE ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE ON PHONES, NOTHING OF ANY, YOU KNOW, NO DELIVERY, NO MANUFACTURER, NOTHING BEYOND OFFICE SPACE.
I SAID I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEIR LOCATION THAT THEY ARE NOW.
SO, UM, I CAN CONFIRM ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE.
UH, UH, DO WE WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS, BILL? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE RIGHT NEXT STEP.
UM, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE OTHER, UM, OKAY.
GOT THEN I GOT, I I HEARD YOU A FEW SECONDS LATER.
UM, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BPD HOLDINGS LLC FOR FEBRUARY 17TH.
SECOND, UH, MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
OKAY, THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A NICE NIGHT.
SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL BEGIN THE REGULAR MEETING.
SO WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 3RD MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD,
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INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.IS DENNIS THE OFFICIAL PLANNING BOARD COLOR GUARD? NOW? I, I THINK HE MAY HAVE TO BE BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M NOT ALWAYS THAT RELIABLE WITH HAVING A, A PICTURE OF THE FLAG READY TO, TO SHARE ON THE SCREEN THERE.
SO DID IT COME OUT BACKWARDS ON, ON YOUR SCREEN BECAUSE ON MINE IT LOOKED REVERSED? NO, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT REVERSED ON MY SCREEN.
I EVER HAVE FOUR SCRIPTS OF MY HOUSE.
THAT'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE YOUR COLOR GUARD FOR YOU.
THEY'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A PURPOSE.
OKAY, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT.
I'M, UH, CHRIS WOOD WITH CURRENTLY WOOD MORRIS.
JOHN, OH, I GUESS FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS IN FRONT OF US? GOOD EVENING.
HEY, SO I'M HERE WITH CHRIS WOOD.
UM, SINCE WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU LAST, WE DID FILE A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION.
WE FILED PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM WITH SOME SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
UH, THE LEAD AGENCY LETTER WAS DATED JANUARY 11TH.
SO THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD WILL EXPIRE ON FEBRUARY 11TH, I BELIEVE, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH SARAH.
THE ONLY COMMENT THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED TO DATE IS THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THE LAYOUT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY NOW INCLUDES TWO PUBLIC ROADWAY CONNECTIONS AND HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CHRIS AND HIS FIRM HAVE PREPARED, SUBMITTED DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
LOOK AT THE ADEQUACY OF DOWNSTREAM SEWER DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS PER THE DEC POLICY.
SO WE HAVE CONFIRMED THERE IS ADEQUATE DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY.
WE DO HAVE A SHIPPO NO IMPACT DETERMINATION LETTER.
IT WAS ISSUED ON OCTOBER 9TH, 2000.
AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WANT TO NOTE, THAT'S NEW.
UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE PROVIDED WITH A COPY OF A MEMO ISSUED BY THE CONSERVATION BOARD DATED DECEMBER 19TH, 2000, EXPRESSES SOME CONCERNS ABOUT LACK OF GREEN SPACE, DISPLACEMENT OF WILDLIFE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THE ONLY TOPIC I WOULD BRING UP IN RESPONSE TO THAT, AND THE BOARD IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
WE DID PREVIOUSLY PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BEYOND THAT POINT WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER.
BUT IF THE PLANNING BOARD WAS OPEN TO TAKING A RE RE-LOOK AT THAT OR REEVALUATING THAT POSSIBLE APPROACH, OF COURSE WE WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
SO BY FEBRUARY 11TH, THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD WILL EXPIRE.
I WILL BE SHOCKED IF ANY AGENCIES EXPRESS ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE TOWN'S REQUEST TO ACT AS A LEAD AGENCY.
AND WE'RE HOPING WE'LL BE IN A POSITION IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
MEGAN, DO YOU HAVE, UH, THOSE PLANS? WE DON'T HAVE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE DON'T HAVE, THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED MATERIALS, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT WAS FOR THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING, AND THAT WAS, UM, ARIEL PHOTO WE HAVE AND THE OUTLINE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND AN ENGINEERING LETTER.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IN OUR NOTES OR IT'S BEEN FORWARDED TO US.
THERE IS, THERE IS NO MORE INFORMATION TO HAVE AT THIS POINT.
HEY, SO SEAN AND, AND YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA RAISE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD LETTER.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE RAISED AND THEY HAVE CONSISTENTLY RAISED AND THEY HAVE BROUGHT UP ON A BROADER BASIS, IS THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, NON-POINT SOURCE POLLUTANTS, THE PROXIMITY TO A NUMBER OF THE WATERWAYS AND COMMUNITIES AND THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR, EVEN IF THE FLOW VOLUMES ARE ADEQUATE, BUT THE INCREASED POTENTIAL FOR FLOW OF FERTILIZERS, PESTICIDES, ANYTHING THAT FOLKS ARE APPLYING TO THEIR LAWN.
AND I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT MORE BROADLY, THAT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT UP WITH ANY OF THE OTHER, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND, AND LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT MARK HAS CONCERNS ABOUT FROM THE SAME PERSPECTIVE AND THE CAB AS A WHOLE.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU OR CHRIS OR ANYONE CAN COMMENT ON ABOUT, UM,
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TRYING TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE COMPOSITION OF WHAT'S IN THAT FLOW OFF THE SITE, NOT JUST THE VOLUME.SO I, I, I CAN RESPOND IN A GENERAL SENSE, BUT THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS.
OBVIOUSLY, ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS EVEN A DECADE AGO, OR OR MORE THAN THAT, IS THE CURRENT DEC STORMWATER MANUAL REQUIRES US TO IMPLEMENT NOT ONLY STORMWATER QUANTITY, MEANING THE NEED TO HOLD A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
WE ALSO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT STORMWATER QUALITY TO DEAL WITH THAT VERY ISSUE.
UH, CHRIS IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, CHRIS, I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS HOW YOU PLAN TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE WELL FAMILIAR WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND AS A MATTER OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEM PURSUANT TO THE DEC STORMWATER MANUAL.
SO CHRIS, IF YOU WANT TO JUST CHIME IN A MINUTE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS SEAN MENTIONED, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE VOLUME STORAGE, WE ALSO GOTTA PROVIDE WATER QUALITY AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE METHODS IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE DEC REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT I ANTICIPATE HERE IS WE'RE PROPOSING TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT AREAS AND, UH, EACH ONE IS GONNA HAVE A, A BIO RETENTION COMPONENT, WHICH, UM, WOULD SATISFY THE WATER QUALITY AND THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH BASICALLY THE WATER ENTERS THE, THE, UH, BIO RETENTION AREA.
IT HAS A BIO RETENTION SOIL MIX IN THERE, SO THE WATER PERCOLATES THROUGH THERE, AND THEN THERE'S AN UNDER DRAIN SURROUNDED BY STONE IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT.
AND THEN THE WATER EXITS FROM THERE AND GOES INTO THE, THE, TO THE, UH, THE VOLUME STORAGE PART OF THE DETENTION BASIN SO THAT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SOIL MIX OF DC SPEC SPECIFIES FOR THAT DOES TREAT THE WATER.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUT ANY OF THE NITROGEN AND AMMONIA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WOULD, UH, PLAN ON, YOU KNOW, MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A WRITTEN RESPONSE ADDRESSING ITEM NUMBER TWO OFF HIS LIST, SPECIFICALLY HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE MANAGING THE FERTILIZER, THE AMMONIA, NITROGEN REMOVAL, AS WELL AS ANY POTENTIAL FOR PESTICIDES.
'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA COME UP, UH, REPEATEDLY AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HANDLE HANDLING IT APPROPRIATELY AND ADDRESSING THE CONCERN ABOUT IMPACT DOWNSTREAM TO FRESHWATER FISH SPAWNING AREAS IN RUSH CREEK, ET CETERA.
NUMBER SIX, YOU'RE, I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, I THINK YOU MEAN COMMENT NUMBER SIX.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA, HOLD ON.
I'M LOOKING AT, YES, I HAVE A COUPLE, IT'S COME UP IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LETTERS FROM HIM, SO YES.
I MEAN, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON SINCE THIS WAS LAST IN FRONT OF US, IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
SO WE WOULD ONLY, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD ONLY REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD IF THE FIRE COMPANY DEEM IT'S NECESSARY.
SO CAN YOU ADDRESS WHY THAT'S ON THE PLANS BEFORE ANYTHING'S WE, WE DON'T HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROADS.
SO BILL, SO BILL, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE YOUR, I BELIEVE THAT COMMENT PRIMARILY PERTAINS TO THE WESTFALL PROJECT, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WE'RE SHOWING TWO ROADWAY CONNECTIONS THAT ARE GOING OFFSITE.
THEY'RE BOTH PUBLIC ROADS, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH APPENDIX D OF THE FIRE CODE.
SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS INVOLVED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BILL.
THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING, UM, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ARE ABOUT THE WETZEL REZONING ACCESS ROAD.
THAT I, I SAW, I SAW THE TWO ON THIS ONE, AND I I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS ONE.
YEAH, PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING ON FACEBOOK RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WETZEL REZONING PROJECT.
YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT PROJECT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE, I MEAN, I, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS BILL? YOU'RE ON MUTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TALKING.
I WAS, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, MY NOTES IN THE MAP AGAIN.
WE, WE HAVE, AS THEY MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE COPIES OF THEM ABOUT THE, I AND I STUDY THE SHIPPO.
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UM, WE KNOW ABOUT THE DPW AND THE CAB COMMENT, AND YOU'RE GONNA RE RESPOND TO THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS, UH, CAMMIE WILL, AS THE, AS THE TOWN ENGINEER WILL COMMENT ON THE STORM ORDER SYSTEM AND, AND MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE WAS, AND LAST TIME IS, UH, SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.THIS IS AN UNDERSIZED ROAD, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY NATURE OF THE SITE.
UM, SO WE WILL NEED SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS JUST THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WILL ADD, AND I, WHETHER IT WAS THE CLUSTER OR THIS LAYOUT, MY CONCERN'S ALWAYS BEEN THE, THE, UH, HOMES THAT ARE BEING ADDED RUNNING, FRONTING ALONG PARKER.
'CAUSE IF YOU DRIVE DOWN PARKER, NOW, THERE ARE VERY FEW, THE HOUSES THAT DO FRONT PARKER ARE VERY LARGE, LOT, VERY RURAL LOOKING.
UH, SO IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF PARKER ROAD WHEN YOU GET TO THAT END BY HAVING THESE LOTS FRONT ONTO THAT HIGHWAY.
ALL THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS DON'T HAVE LOTS FRONTING ON ONTO THE HIGHWAY.
SO THOSE ARE MORE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITTLE NOT, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING DETAIL.
THESE ARE MORE PLANNING TYPE THINGS OF HOW YOU PLAN THE SUBDIVISION.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOT A CONCERN, UH, DEAL THEMSELVES WITH IS IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE TALKED TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
IF IT'S A REGULAR LAYOUT, WE HAVE THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF 10%, UH, RECREATION OR PASSIVE RECREATION, OR JUST GREEN SPACE WE'VE ACCEPTED IN THE PAST.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AGAIN, I MENTIONED IN MY MEMO, AND I'LL PUT A FULL LIST OF ALL THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN A, IN THE APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
THEN THE OTHER ISSUE I WOULD MENTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER, AFTER THEY GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, IS WE SHOULD START TO BEGIN TO GO THROUGH PART TWO, THE AF JUST FROM AN IDEA OF, OF ASKING FOR ANY OTHER STUDIES OR REPORTS.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, THEN YOU WANNA CALL YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC SO WE CAN SHOW THEM THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED.
THAT WOULD BE MY, MY RECOMMENDATION ON, ON PROCEEDING WITH THIS.
YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE'LL DEVELOP ADDITIONAL ONES WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PART TWO.
AND THEN AGAIN, I BROUGHT UP THOSE CHECKLISTS AND I'M SURE CHRIS AND AND SEAN ARE VERY, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHAT'S IN THE CHECKLIST CONCERNING SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE TO DISABILITY, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE SIDEWALKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT, IN THOSE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU, CHRIS AND SEAN, YOU CAN START ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE IN IN YOUR NEXT SUBMITTAL.
IS THIS, IS THIS A PROJECT AGAIN IN LIGHT OF THE CONSERVATION BOARD MEMO AND MAYBE SOME OTHER IDEAS? IS THIS A, IS THIS A LAYOUT OR A PROJECT WHERE THE BOARD WOULD LIKE AT LEAST TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE CLUSTERING OR NO, WE'RE BEYOND THAT POINT.
I THINK THE CLUSTERING WOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONSERVATION BOARD CONCERNS.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T, SO THE, THE CONSERVATION BOARD ALSO, SO I'VE LOOKED BACK, THERE'S TWO LETTERS THEY SENT ON THIS PROJECT, ONE IN OCTOBER ON THE EAR BEFORE WE MADE THE, THE CLUSTERING DECISION.
THE LATER ONE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONCERN ABOUT THIS, THE CLUSTERING IS GONNA FIX OR CHANGE THE CONCERNS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONCERN ON, ON ITEM SIX ON THE LETTER FROM DECEMBER 19TH, UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS ALSO SOME, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA FIX THEIR CONCERNS.
SO I THINK THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THREE AND SIX.
I DO AGREE THAT THAT SAME COMMENT WOULD OF COURSE STILL APPLY.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE CLUSTERING OBVIOUSLY IS THE REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO THERE IS, THERE'S CERTAINLY LESS RUNOFF ON A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FACT, BILL.
YEAH, I, I WAS GONNA COMMENT THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAD A MEMO, DOESN'T MEAN THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT VOTED AGAINST THE CLUSTER WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND BASED ON THAT, THAT MEMO.
BILL, WE, WE ARE GETTING A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT THE ACCESS POINTS ONTO PARKER ROAD FOR THIS SUBDIVISION, AND I'M WONDERING IF CHRIS COULD TALK ABOUT WHY THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE NORTHERLY ACCESS POINT LINES UP WITH MARYLAND DRIVE.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AS TO WHERE THE LOCATION OF THAT ONE AND THE SOUTHERLY ONE, AGAIN, SINCE WE'RE OVER 30 LOTS, UH, NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE REQUIRES WE HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS AND THEY HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT REMOTE FROM EACH OTHER.
THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, ACCESS POINT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SUBTLY PIECE THERE.
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THANK YOU.UH, WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? CHRIS, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONSERVATION LETTER, AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT MR. UM, HOPKINS REFERENCED THAT THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A PRETTY SPARSE FILE ON THIS AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW.
WE ALSO, WE ALSO DO HAVE A
CHRIS, DID YOU MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE STORM, THE STORM WATER PLAN? DID YOU, DID YOU REFER TO THAT BEFORE THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS? YEAH, YEAH, I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, TWO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS, ONE IN THE NORTHWEST AND ONE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF THE SITE, UHHUH
UM, AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DC SPEEDIES REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, BOTH VOLUME ATTENUATION AND, AND WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION? NO.
WELL, IS IT A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE NOW THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I MEAN, WILL THAT STUDY BE DIFFERENT THAN IF IT WAS CLUSTER? NO, SAME, SAME METHODOLOGY EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, THE METHODOLOGY'S STILL THE SAME.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STANDARDS AND CAMMI STILL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WE'VE SATISFIED 'EM.
IT'S JUST WE'D HAVE LESS RUNOFF BECAUSE THERE'S LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT THIS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS ALONG PARKER TO HAVE LESS, UH, HOMES FRONTING PARKER? WELL, THE, THE, THE NATURAL DRAINAGE OF THE SITE, THERE'S KIND OF A HIGH POINT IN THE MELVILLE SITE.
THE NATURAL DRAIN IS KIND OF SPLIT.
PART OF IT GOES TO THE NORTHWEST, PART OF IT GOES TO THE SOUTHWEST.
SO IF WE PUT IT ALONG, PARKER PARKER'S TECHNICALLY THE HIGHER PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO TRY TO GET THE WATER TO GO TO A HIGHER SPOT AND THEN TURN AROUND AND TRY TO GET IT TO GO BACK TO THE CREEK.
WE TRY TO, WE, WE TRY TO LOCATE THOSE AND KIND OF THE SPOT ON THE SITE THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE FROM THE, FROM THE TOPOGRAPHY.
LEMME POINT OUT TOO THAT THE, THE LOTS THAT WE DO HAVE ON PARKER ARE ACTUALLY WIDER THAN ANY OF THE ADJACENT LOTS THAT HAVE EXISTING HOMES ON 'EM, ON THE EAST OR WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
I, I THINK YOU HAVE A LONG LIST OF THINGS TO, TO GET TO US.
DO YOU WANNA COME BACK ON THE 17TH? SURE.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PRETTY EASILY SUBMIT THAT STUFF.
ALRIGHT, SO I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MANKO TO FEBRUARY 17TH, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOBCAT OF BUFFALO REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING EDITION AT FOUR SEVEN SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
AGAIN, THIS IS CHRIS WOOD WITH CAR WOOD MORRIS.
WE ARE THE, UH, ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT AND ALSO ON, UH, THE CALL WITH TIM FROM, UH, BOBCAT AT BUFFALO.
UM, I THINK AREN'T, AREN'T WE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SKETCH PLAN PLAN DIRECTION ANY LONGER, AREN'T WE ASKING FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW OR APPROVAL? THAT'S MY FAULT.
SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE THAT'S ON ME.
I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST READING THE PUBLIC NOTICE WITHOUT YEAH, YEAH, NO PROBLEM.
AND, UH, I CAN GO OVER THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT.
WE WERE HERE, UH, I THINK A, A MONTH AGO WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
AND, UH, SINCE THAT TIME WE DID OBTAIN THE, UH, TOPO BOUNDARY SURVEY.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, REFINEMENT TO THE, TO THE DRAWING.
WE, WE ARE PROPOSING A 5,600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING FACILITY.
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AGAIN, IT'LL BE FOR BOBCAT OR BUFFALO, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE OPERATION OF THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.THEY SELL CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A DISPLAY AREA IN THE FRONT, WHICH WOULD FRONT ON SOUTH PARK AVENUE, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A FENCED IN AREA IN THE BACK, WHICH CONSISTS OF A, A STONE AREA AND THEN A BLACKTOP AREA.
THE, THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT BOBCAT HAS, UM, IN, IN ORDER FOR NOT TO, TO, TO TEAR UP ANY TYPE OF BLACKTOP OR ANY TYPE OF MILLINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING A, A STONE SURFACE.
WHEN, WHEN THOSE, WHEN THOSE, UH, TYPES OF MACHINERY TURN, IT DOES TEND TO TEAR UP ANY, ANY BLACK TOP OR, OR WHATNOT.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE HAVE THE, THE STONE AREAS.
UM, AND SINCE, SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, WE ALSO SUBMITTED THE FULLY ENGINEERED SET OF PLANS, WHICH INCLUDES SITE GRADING, STORM UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING, AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE.
I BELIEVE THAT CAMMIE HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE BRIEFLY AND, UM, HASN'T COME UP WITH ANY, ANY GENERAL CONCERNS, BUT SHE DOES HAVE TO LOOK AT 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL.
UM, WE DID, WE DID SUBMIT, UH, BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND AT THE LAST MINUTE, I THINK ON MONDAY WE DID SUBMIT A COLORED RENDERING OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN OR NOT.
SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THE FLOOR PLAN.
THE, UH, THE BUILDING ADDITION WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT.
AND, UH, THO THOSE ARE THE BLACK AND WHITE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE COLORED ONE.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVE, SO YOU DON'T, DON'T HAVE THE COLORED ONE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE REDOING THE FACADE ON THE, ON THE EXISTING BUILDING ALSO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TOTALLY RE TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, RE-SKINNED ON THE FRONT.
AND THEN THE, THE BACK PART, UM, OF THE, THE BUILDING ADDITION WILL BE A, A METAL TYPE BUILDING.
AND THEN THAT TYPE OF SIDING WOULD ALSO BE CONSISTENT ON THE, ON THE SIDES OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ALSO.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE COLORED ONE OR NO? I DON'T THINK SO.
ALL MATERIALS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO SARAH BY FRIDAY AT THE END OF BUSINESS FOR US TO RECEIVE THEM, TO REVIEW THEM OVER THE WEEKEND TO BE PREPARED FOR MEETINGS.
I THOUGHT YOU'D BE ABLE TO JUST PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE HAD IT READY TO PUT IT ON MY SCREEN.
THEY'LL ALL GET IT FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I CERTAINLY ASK THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, DREW, I KNOW AT THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON SKETCH PLAN, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT OUTDOOR STORAGE VERSUS DISPLAY AREA, WHAT COULD AND COULDN'T BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND TO THE SIDE.
CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT LAYOUT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE VERSUS DISPLAY AND WHAT TYPE OF SCREENING MAY BE REQUIRED OR A DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS? YEAH, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO, I'LL GET YOU THE CODE REQUIREMENT, BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE I TALKED ABOUT IN THE SKETCH PLAN WAS THE SCREENING OF THAT OUTDOOR AREA FROM SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND ITS LOCATION.
UM, WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN WILL NOT ALLOW MILLINGS THAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO GRAVEL AND WITH GRAVEL, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCES AND STORING EQUIPMENT.
USUALLY STORING OF OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE SCREENED BY FENCING AND LANDSCAPING.
SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, THAT IT MEETS THAT THAT REQUIREMENT.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NOT SEEN, CHRIS, I APOLOGIZE.
I ASSUME YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I'LL REVIEW IT, CAITLIN, FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND CITE THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE ABOUT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THE SCREENING OF OUTDOOR STORAGE IN A THIS IS, LEMME I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE, THE AREA IN THE FRONT IS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
IT'S OUT OUTDOOR DISPLAY OF, OF NEW EQUIPMENT AND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH WE WOULD BE BEHIND THE FENCE.
WE WOULD, UH, IT'S A SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT WE WOULD PUT SCREENING IN THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE STUFF THAT WAS STORED BEHIND THAT FENCE IN THE REAR AREA.
UM, THAT LOE TRAILER PROJECT WE DID ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY WHERE WE PUT, WE PUT LOW PLANTINGS IN THE FRONT TO KIND OF BREAK UP, YOU KNOW, THE APPEARANCE OF THE, UH, DISPLAY AREA.
BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT HEAVY SCREENING IN THE FRONT THAT WOULD, UH, OBVIOUSLY
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BLOCK THE STUFF THAT'S ON DISPLAY.AND DID WE REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THAT TRAILER PROJECT? I DON'T THINK WE DID.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YOU COMFORTABLE SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING? I, I THINK THAT I AM.
WHAT, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOBCAT OF BUFFALO FOR FEBRUARY 17TH.
ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING A REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIGTREE ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS GLEN WETZEL, THE APPLICANT AND CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINO WOOD MORRIS.
AS YOU RECALL, WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS REZONING.
THE SITE ITSELF IS 42 ACRES IN SIZE LOCATED AT ZERO BIGTREE AND ZERO WILSON ROAD.
ORIGINALLY WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING WAS 101 APARTMENTS AS WELL AS AN 18 LOT SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD'VE CONNECTED INTO WILSON DRIVE BASED ON SOME INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MEETINGS LAST FALL, WE MODIFIED THE LAYOUT TO ELIMINATE THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND PROPOSE INSTEAD 156 APARTMENT UNITS.
UM, BASICALLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT IT RESULTS IN 20.1 ACRES OUT OF THE 42 ACRES BEING DESIGNATED AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WE WILL DESIGNATE THAT AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE TO ENSURE THAT IT'LL REMAIN UNDEVELOPED ON A PERMANENT BASIS.
SECONDLY, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT DID INCLUDE THAT SUBDIVISION THAT CONNECTED TO WILSON DRIVE SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ADDITIONAL ROADWAY ONTO WILSON DRIVE.
ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP DURING THE LATE FALL WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD NEED AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE FROM THE APARTMENTS THAT WOULD CONNECT THROUGH TO WILSON DRIVE.
I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT'S ON THE MEETING THIS EVENING, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE SPECIFICALLY APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT WOULD ONLY BE NEEDED IF WE HAD MORE THAN 200 UNITS.
WE HAVE 156 UNITS, WHICH WILL BE SPRING COURTED.
SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY ROADWAY CONNECTION TO WILSON ROAD PUBLIC OR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AND IN FACT, IF IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTERNATION OVER THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, IF YOU WANTED TO RECOMMEND A ZONING CONDITION THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A ROADWAY CONNECTION TO WILSON ROAD FROM THE APARTMENT PROJECT, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED BY NEARBY RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THEN AT SOME LATER DATE WE'RE GONNA CONVERT IT INTO A PUBLIC ROADWAY CONNECTION.
I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR AGAIN ON THE RECORD WE ARE NOT DOING THAT AND WE'D BE FINE WITH THE ZONING CONDITION THAT PROHIBITS THAT.
UH, WE DID SUBMIT AN AMENDED APPLICATION ALONG WITH PART ONE, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
THE DATE OF THE LEAD AGENCY LETTER WAS JANUARY 12TH.
SO AS IS THE CASE WITH THE SIM PREVIOUS PROJECT, THAT COMMENT PERIOD EXPIRES ON FEBRUARY 11TH.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A REZONING, WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
YOU PLAY AN ADVISORY ROLE, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING.
SO HALF THE SITE APPROXIMATELY IS ZONED C ONE AND THEN A PORTION OF THE SITE IS ALSO ZONED R ONE.
SO WE'RE NOW PROPOSING TO DO IS DOWN ZONE THE 16.4 ACRES AT ZONE C ONE TO R THREE.
AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES FROM R ONE TO R THREE.
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THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE, AGAIN THAT 20 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WILL REMAIN ZONED R ONE.IT IS AN UNLISTED ACTION PURSUANT TO SEEKER.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE CHRIS WOOD HAS PREPARED AND SUBMITTED DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR THE DEC POLICY.
THAT DOES CONFIRM THERE'S ADEQUATE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM.
WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT.
ONE OF THE KEY BENEFITS OF THE UPDATED LAYOUT IS TO DRAMATICALLY REDUCE THE WETLAND IMPACTS.
WHILE THERE ARE RATHER SUBSTANTIAL WETLANDS ON THIS SITE, OUR IMPACT IS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE, WHICH IS A VERY MINOR IMPACT, DOES QUALIFY FOR A NATIONWIDE PERMIT TO THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WHILE THAT PROCESS IS QUITE SLOW RIGHT NOW DUE TO COVID-19 AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT ULTIMATELY WE WILL GET THAT PERMIT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE'LL BE DEDICATING OR DON OR DE RESTRICTING 20 ACRES OF THE SITE AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF AN UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, ONCE UM, THE LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION PERIOD IS EXPIRED, YOU WILL BE IN A POSITION TO CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE ATTENDING THIS EVENING, THIS WILL IN THE FUTURE, REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD BY THE TOWN BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUESTED REZONING.
THAT'S KIND OF THE PROJECT IN A NUTSHELL AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL INPUT MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE.
SARAH IS, WHO'S THE LEAD AGENCY FOR THE SEEKER? ARE WE DOING IT FOR THE PLANNING OR FOR THE TOWN BOARD OR ARE THEY THE LEAD AGENCY? THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY.
I GUESS WE'LL START I THROUGH, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD FEEL THAT THEY STILL NEED TO HAVE BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD CHAIRMAN CLARK? THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO MAKE, I POINT OUT, MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR TO THE RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE ATTENDING IS THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE DOES INCLUDE EVERY SINGLE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S BEHIND EXISTING LOTS ON WILSON DRIVE.
TO THE EXTENT THERE'S EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO THE SITE UNDER THE UPDATED LAYOUT, THEY HAVE AN ASSURANCE THAT THEY WILL BE, UH, CONTIGUOUS TO PERMANENT DEED RESTRICTED OPEN SPACE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AGAIN.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION THAT WE UPDATED THE PROJECT LAYOUT.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING A DEED RESTRICTION.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT WITH THE ZONING CODE? YEAH.
YOU JUST RECOMMEND YEAH, BECAUSE WE REQUIRE REZONING.
WELL ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE TOWN BOARD TO IMPOSE REASONABLE CONDITIONS.
WE'RE OFFERING THAT AS A CONDITION.
SO WE WOULD BE ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE WITH YOU INCLUDING THAT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE'RE WE'RE ALSO NOT REZONING THAT BACK TO BACK COURSE.
IT WOULD DEFER AN OPEN SPACE, BUT IT STILL WOULD BE.
BUT REMEMBER THE UNDERLYING R ONES ZONING STILL WOULD ALLOW A SUBDIVISION, CHRIS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT BEING A ZONING CONDITION.
SO SIMILAR TO HOW WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, WHEN WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE THEM OUR, THE REASONING FOR DECIDING THE WAY WE DECIDE.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I, I'D LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TO PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THAT SO WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A MEMO.
UH, DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT WE WON'T BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON A YES OR NO RECOMMENDATION ON THE 17TH BILL? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, I GUESS IT MIGHT DEPEND ON WHAT, IF ANY COMMENTS WE GET FROM THE INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING YET, BUT I I BET I WILL.
RIGHT? THAT'S, YEAH, IF, IF COMMENTS COME IN, THAT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, BUT THAT'S, WE'LL WAIT TO SEE HOW THAT GOES, BUT LET'S PUT OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER IN THE MEANTIME ALSO.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY THINKS WE NEED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OTHER THAN THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES? BILL, I JUST BILL, I JUST WANNA ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID.
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE.
YOUR, YOUR LOGIC AND REASONING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION ITSELF.
ALTHOUGH THE RECOMMENDATION IS REQUIRED, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ABOUT AND WHATEVER YOU SHOULD TOWN
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BOARD OUR JOB IS TO GENERATE INFORMATION FOR A TOWN BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION.SO PUT ALL THOSE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS.
IF YOU HAVE PLUSES AND MINUSES AND ALL THOSE THINGS, PUT 'EM ALL DOWN, GET 'EM ON THE RECORD SO WE CAN PUT IT IN THE REPORT.
WE CAN ATTACH THE MEETING MINUTES AND SAY, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AND WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WE CAME UP WITH.
SO PLEASE, WE HAVEN'T ARTICULATED, START PUTTING YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER, ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES, ALL THE THINGS, CONCERNS, ET CETERA.
PLEASE START PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER.
THAT'S OUR JOB HERE IS GENERATE INFORMATION FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD.
AND IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT CLEARLY SUPPORT THIS REZONING.
IT IS, IT IS DEFINITELY, I PUT IT IN THE MEMO FROM DAY ONE.
SO WE NEED VERY GOOD LOGIC AND REASONING FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT, TO THE ZONING IN THE AREA.
THIS ONE, WE HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF LOGIC AND REASONING TOGETHER FOR THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS IN FRONT OF US WAS THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT I'M GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT PAST MINUTES, I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT DATA.
AND IF THE BOARD BELIEVES IT'S HELPFUL, I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SUBMITTING A LETTER WITH WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE FOR ZONING CONDITIONS OR WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD, GOOD HURT.
ALSO ADD, ADD IN THERE IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHERE YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYTHING, YOU COULD EVEN PUT IN THE CONSERVATION NEEDS, NO ROADS, NO, NO THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO NOBODY IN THE FUTURE COULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ROAD IN.
I THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE WORRIED THAT IF THIS EVER GETS APPROVED, THAT SOMEHOW SOMEBODY WILL CHANGE IT.
AND THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS IF YOU COULD GIVE THAT PROPERTY TO AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER, THAT LITTLE SECTION BACK THERE OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR WHATEVER COULD ALSO SAY THAT THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES, NO, NO ROADS, NO NOTHING CAN BE PUT IN THERE.
IT'S ABSOLUTE OPEN SPACE FOREVER.
I I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN GIVING IT TO AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER DREW, BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN THAT OTHER PERSON MIGHT DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UH, I'VE HAD QUESTIONS FROM A TOWN BOARD MEMBER RECENTLY ABOUT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND PEOPLE WANTING TO PUT SHEDS AND STUFF IN THEM.
SO I THINK HAVING THEM HELD BY A, A LARGER ENTITY THAN SPLIT ACROSS HOMEOWNERS WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WONDERING WHY THEY COULDN'T BUILD THINGS IN THAT AREA LATER ON.
SO IN TERMS OF THAT HISTOR, HISTORICALLY WHAT WE USED TO DO IS WHEN THERE WERE SITES WITH A LOT OF WETLANDS, WE USED TO GET THE WEST YORK WIND CONSERVANCY INVOLVED, AND WHILE YOU HAD TO PAY THEM A FEE, THEY WOULD OFTENTIMES BE WILLING TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF A SITE LIKE THIS.
THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THAT BUSINESS.
UH, SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION IN WESTERN NEW YORK THAT'S WILLING TO ACQUIRE EITHER FEE SIMPLE OR EVEN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
SO I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH THE LAND.
KEEP IN MIND, UNLIKE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, UH, MR. WETZEL WILL OWN THIS ENTIRE SITE, SO MAINTAIN, IT'LL STILL BE SUBJECT TO HIS OWNERSHIP.
SO I THINK A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS SLASH CONSERVATION EASEMENT WILL WORK.
DON'T THINK PROBABLY, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN'S INTERESTED IN TAKING SHIP.
WAS THERE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DONE, SEAN? UM, ONLY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS POINTS, WE THINK IT WORKS, BUT THERE WASN'T A SEPARATE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE, BUT IT WAS SUBMITTED TO UH, DOT FOR COMMENTS.
CAN YOU SUBMIT WHAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THE DOT? IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC AND OUT NUMBER OF TRIPS, GENERATED, SITE DISTANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, IF THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA MAKE A SECRET DECISION, THEY'RE MAKING IT FOR THE DOT AND OTHERS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO SAY WHY IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
AND ALL, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE HAVE IS TRIP GENERATION, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO DATE.
WELL I ASSUME YOU'VE LOOKED AT SITE DISTANCES.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHT ROAD THERE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE FOR IT.
ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, I WILL, UH, TABLE TAKE A MOTION TO TABLE GLEN WETZEL TO FEBRUARY 17TH.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
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OUR AGENDA TODAY IS DTO DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF 5 5 0 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND PORTIONS OF 5 4 86 AND 5 4 7 2 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO PUD.ONCE AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
DATE OF DEVELOPMENT ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD MORRIS AND DAVE BURKE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A PROJECT WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR JUST A PORTION OF THE SITE, THE FOUR PARCELS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED OUT OF THE 16.3 ACRES TO BE REZONED TO PUD, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE 16.3 ACRE SITE.
WE ARE PROPOSING 182 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
WE'VE SUBMITTED A CONCEPT PLAN AND IN FACT WE'VE MARKED THAT UP TO SHOW YOU THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE REZONED.
ULTIMATELY THIS IS AN ADVISORY ROLE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
TOWN BOARD WILL NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ISSUE, A SECRET DETERMINATION AND MAKE A DECISION ULTIMATELY ON THE MERITS OF THE REZONING.
I DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
I SPOKE TO EDWARD ROTOWSKI, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LATE LAST WEEK.
THEIR ENTIRE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING GROUP IS WORKING REMOTELY.
HE INDICATED, INDICATED HE EXPECTS THAT HE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE COMMENTS BACK BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.
I ALSO DID JUST RECENTLY COMPLETE THE PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
SO I THINK WE'D BE IN A POSITION SUBJECT TO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR INPUT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE.
AND YOU COULD PUT THIS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MARCH AND HOPEFULLY BE IN A POSITION THAT YOU CAN ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE.
SARAH, THIS ONE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY, CORRECT? YES.
UM, WE HAVE NOT STARTED THAT COORDINATED REVIEW YET.
SARAH, YOU JUST GOT THE AF I'LL DO THAT TOMORROW.
SO IF WE'RE NOT, WILL WE HAVE THE COORDINATED REVIEW RESULTS BACK BY THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, THE FIRST MAR MEETING OF MARCH? TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE DATE OF THAT MEETING IS.
IT'LL BE CLOSE IF, IF IT OUT TOMORROW, 30 DAYS WILL EXPIRE ONE MONTH FROM TOMORROW.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST GENERATING INFORMATION FOR THE TOWN BOARD HERE.
I'LL SEND TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
REMEMBER A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS FIT INTO THE ORIGINAL PUD AND WE DID FIND MR. BURS SUBMITTED SOME INFORMATION AND I FOUND SOME IN THE FILE SHOWING THAT IT WAS REFERRED TO AS MULTIFAMILY AND A AND A COUPLE OF REPORTS I STILL WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I KNOW SEAN WOULD BE DIFFERENT TO THAT, THAT IF WE JUST REZONED THIS WHOLE PIECE TO A NEW PUD INSTEAD OF THE FOUR LITTLE PIECES AND JUST SAY THIS IS THE PLAN FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
BUT THERE IS OLD, OLD COURTS SHOWING THIS AREA IS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
DREW, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF THAT WE'RE YEAH, WE'RE OKAY DREW, HOWEVER THAT WANTS TO, WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED IN TERMS OF THE BEST MECHANISM FOR THE PROJECT, WE'RE OKAY THAT, THAT THAT'S UP TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND, UH, AT THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE TOWN BOARD OF HOW THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'LL SHOW SUPPORTING MATERIALS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF BRIARWOOD ABOUT PAST CHANGES AND AT LEAST WE CAN SHOW SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST.
THERE HAS BEEN IDEAS FOR THIS BEING MULTIFAMILY.
AND BECAUSE IT'S PUD, THE LAYOUT BECOMES THE ZONING.
SO IF ULTIMATELY WE GET RIGHT, THAT PROJECT APPROVED, THAT BECOMES THE PUD RIGHT? THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE THEN AT A LATER DATE.
THAT'S THE ACTUAL PLAN THAT THAT, THAT IS A APPROVED, SO.
SO SINCE THE PROCESS HASN'T STARTED YET OF COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES, WE'VE GOT MORE TIME ON THIS, BUT THE, THE END RESULT'S GONNA BE THE SAME.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRITE A MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA DO AND WHY, OR WHAT WE RECOMMEND DOING AND WHY.
UM, SEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ALSO WORK WITH MR. BURKE.
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FIND IN THE FILE AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR IT, BUT THERE WAS AN OPEN SPACE PLAN DONE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY OPEN SPACE PLAN FOR THIS AREA OTHER THAN THE DRIVING RANGE.UH, BUT IF HE COULD HELP MAYBE FIND THAT I COULD NOT FIND IT.
I KNOW DICK CRANDALL PUT A BIG REPORT TOGETHER ON WHAT THE OPEN SPACE PLAN WAS FOR THE OVERALL BRIARWOOD PD IT'S REFERENCED IN THERE, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BURKE HAS ASKED TO IN HIS FILES, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT TOO, TO GIVE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TOWN BOARD.
WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN PUT OUR HANDS ON THAT PLAN.
DICK CRANDALL PUT IT TOGETHER WITH MR. BURKE AT THE TIME.
ED BURKE, I BELIEVE JUST SAYING THIS IS THE GREEN SPACE PLAN.
'CAUSE THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BIG GREEN SPACE IS THE, THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, BUT THERE WAS OTHER GREEN SPACE COMPONENTS, WALKING TRAILS, ET CETERA THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THROUGHOUT PRIOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TRUE? NOPE, GO AHEAD.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK THE SAME THING THAT IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PROJECT THAT WE THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS WEEK? ALL RIGHT, SO DO WE WANT TO JUST TABLE THIS GENERALLY AND SEE IF WE'RE GONNA COME BACK ON THE 3RD OF MARCH OR THE 17TH DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THE, UH, INFORMATION FROM OTHER AGENCIES OR, OR HOW DO WE WANNA DO THIS? I THINK TABLING GENERALLY IS FINE.
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE FIRST MARCH MEETING IF IT MAKES SENSE.
AND AGAIN, AGAIN, JUST KNOWING THAT, KNOWING THE DOT AND YOU CUT OFF THERE, SEAN.
THE DOT IS GONNA TAKE UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH TO RESPOND.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DTO DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING UNDER OTHER BUSINESS? I HAVE ONE THING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, HOW MANY OF YOU LISTENED TO THE TO BOARD MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, BUT DURING THE WORK SESSION THEY WERE DISCUSSING THE ISSUE OF THE WOMAN ON LAKE CREST DRIVE, I BELIEVE IT IS, WHO WANTED TO INFRINGE UPON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND YOU GUYS SAW THIS IN NOVEMBER AND YOU UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THAT SHE NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
UM, THEY BROUGHT IT UP THE OTHER NIGHT AND IT MAY END UP COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT, THE SUPERVISOR KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE HE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WHEN YOU MADE YOUR DECISION.
YOU DID, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT HE THINKS YOU DID.
SO YOU, YOU, THE TOWN BOARD MAY REFER THIS BACK TO YOU AGAIN FOR ANOTHER LOOK.
BUT, BUT I WON'T, I WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS I'M ASKED TO BY THE SUPERVISOR.
I, I THINK IF, IF WE DO GET IT BACK, UM, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO ON THE REZONING WHERE WE SHOULD DRAFT A MEMO THAT DISCUSSES OUR REASONING ON WHY WE MADE THE DECISION SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND WHAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT AND WHY WE THOUGHT THE WAY WE THOUGHT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WHERE WE JUST EXACTLY SAID YES OR NO.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE TOM BOARD MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE YOUR RESOLUTION WAS SO CUT AND DRY THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU REALLY DID HAVE.
BILL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, WELL, I GUESS SARAH CAN LET US KNOW IF IT'S COMING BACK, BUT IF IT'S COMING BACK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU OR SHE OR DREW OR SOMEONE ON THE BOARD SHOULD START CRAFTING? UH, KIND OF OUR RATIONALE AND OUR, I MEAN, I'M NOT PLANNING ON DRAFTING ANYTHING UNTIL WE KNOW IT'S COMING BACK.
SO I, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THEN IF THE TO BOARD DECIDES TO SEND IT BACK, THEN UH, THEN WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT AND, UM, EVERYBODY WILL GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK.
AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, WE'LL VOTE ON A MEMO.
SO, SO WE'LL HAVE, SO WHAT WE'LL DO BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A DRAFT,
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WE'LL GIVE IT TO ALL THE MEMBERS, THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME FOR THEM TO COMMENT ON IT AND THEN VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA PROVE THE MEMO.UM, I I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL CONTACT THE SUPERVISOR AND ASK HIM IF HE WANTS THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA AND IF HE DOES, I'LL I'LL PUT IT ON AND I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THEIR THEORY THAT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A CUT AND DRY NULL THAT WE DIDN'T DO ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? I DON'T GET THAT.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOUR RESOLUTION SIMPLY SAID THAT YOU RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ELABORATED ON WHY IN THE PRESENT.
HOW ABOUT WE CHOOSE TO INTERPRET THIS, DENNIS AS WE SET THE BAR SO HIGH WITH BEING SO GOOD ABOUT GIVING THEM A LOT OF INFORMATION WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS
SO THEY JUST WORRIED
I GOTTA READ A THREE PAGE LETTER.
I MEAN BILL, BILL MAKES A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, IF
IT'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD.
I MEAN, I DON'T MIND TELLING PEOPLE WHY I DID, BUT IF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT.
BUT I MEAN, I'LL DO WHAT I'M, I'LL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.
IF THE PUBLIC HAS TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, I AGREE, I AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT I MEAN, CUT AND DRY, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S NOT REALLY A, IT'S NOT A FAST.
SO IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH FOR ME TO BE ON THE CALL WITH THE TO BOARD DURING THE WORK SESSION AND NOT HAVE BACKUP FROM YOU GUYS.
I THINK YOU JUST GIVE THEM MY PHONE NUMBER, I'M AVAILABLE.
UH, I THINK THE EASY ANSWER TO THIS, JUST WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, TELL RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE, WE PUT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE CAN'T BE START TELLING PEOPLE, OH, OKAY, WELL LET THIS GO HERE AND LET NOT HERE AND WHATEVER.
CONSERVATION EASEMENT IS A CONSERVATION, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN AT THE WORK SESSION, THAT I GET THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE CALLS EVERY YEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO EITHER OWN LAND OR WANNA BUY LAND THAT IS NEXT TO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND THEY'LL SAY, HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT THAT LAND WILL NEVER BE BUILT ON? AND IF THEY APPROVE THIS, THEN HOW DO I ANSWER THAT? WELL, IT DEPENDS.
I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, IF IT'S IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT ON.
WELL, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON THIS AD NAUSEUM IF IT DOES COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.
ANYTHING ELSE ON OTHER BUSINESS? WE HAVE MINUTES, BILL.
PLANNING BOARD GOT THEIR INVITATION THE 22ND CORRECT? EVERYBODY? I DID.
DID WE, DID THAT COME OUT? UM, IT WAS AN EMAIL FROM, UH, IF YOU LOOK FOR IT IN YOUR EMAIL, IT CAME RIGHT, I BELIEVE FROM SUPERVISOR SHAW THIS WEEK OR LATE LAST WEEK.
RIGHT? I WANNA SAY IT WAS MAYBE MONDAY OF THIS WEEK.
LEMME KNOW AND I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU.
IT FEELS LIKE THAT WAS SO MUCH LONGER AGO.
I HAVE IT ON MY PHONE YESTERDAY.
DO WE HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT VIRTUAL OR DON'T THEY CARE? NO, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WAS SET UP THAT IT WAS GONNA ALLOW US TO DO IT VIRTUALLY.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING.
YOU HAVE THE OPTION AND I WILL, I WILL SEND YOU GUYS MATERIAL AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE, WELL I'LL SEND IT TO EVERYBODY, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE NOT IN ATTENDANCE, THEY'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I HAVE A MEMO AND I HAVE TWO PROPOSAL LAWS AND SOME MAPS.
UH, DREW, BEFORE WE GO, DO YOU, THAT'S FOR ME.
UH, DO YOU HAVE MATT'S EMAIL ADDRESS? YEAH, WE CAN, I CAN FORWARD YOU HIS EMAIL ADDRESS.
YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE ONE AT THE OFFICE
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AND HE CHECKS IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.YOU KNOW, MATT IS IN ALASKA RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY.
I GOT A FISHING SPOT UP THERE.
WHY FISHING? BECAUSE THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MATT DOES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE MINUTES, UH, FROM THE MEETING ON JANUARY 20TH.
SARAH, I HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THOSE MINUTES ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO.
UH, YOU HAD PUT, UH, BOB'S RATIONALE FOR HIS VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE DECLARATION, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS.
SO IF YOU ADD THAT BIT IN THERE, AND I BELIEVE, UH, BOB HAD RECOMMENDED A POSITIVE DECK, I WOULD, WITH THAT CHANGE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED ON JANUARY FROM THE MEETING ON JANUARY 20TH.
SO MOTION BY WHAT WAS, YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD? YEAH.
MY NAME IS PEL RON IN THE OPENING ATTENDANCE, I, I AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE CORRECTION OF MEGAN'S NAME
I'LL SECOND THAT SPELLED RIGHT AT THE END.
THERE'S AN H AND I DON'T HAVE AN H IN MY NAME.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK, SECONDED BY MR. CHAPMAN, AMENDED BY MRS. MCCORMICK.
AND AGAIN, SECONDED BY MR. CHAPMAN TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
BILL, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? NO, THERE IS NOT.
I THINK DOUG, I'LL MAKE MOTION.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
I WILL SEE EVERYBODY IN TWO WEEKS.
AND DREW, I DID NOT GET THAT EMAIL FROM THE SUPERVISOR.
I JUST FORWARDED IT TO YOU, KATELYN.
I I SAW THAT YOU FORWARDED IT TO ME AND THEN CONFIRMED.