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OH, I DON'T SEE HIS PICTURE, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT.SO LET'S GET STARTED ON THE WORK SESSION.
SO NUMBER TWO ON THE WORK SESSION.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE ON THIS WEEK, CORRECT? UH, THEY, YEAH, THEY, THEY, ROB CAN TELL YOU WHY.
YEAH, THEY, UH, THERE WAS A ERROR IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA PRESENT THAT UNTIL THEY DID THAT FIXED.
SO CAN YOU SAY THAT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER FOR BOTH OF US? THERE'S AN ERROR ON THE LEGAL DIS ON A LEGAL DESCRIPTION IN THEIR PAPERWORK.
SO THEY DIDN'T WANNA PRESENT IT TO US WITH THE ERROR.
THEY WANTED TO FIX IT BEFORE THEY CAME BEFORE US, SO, THANK YOU.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS WAYNE TETH REQUESTING CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR A PROPOSED 720 FOOT SQUARE FOOT, 720 SQUARE STORAGE BUILDING AT 4 9 4 5 LAKE AVENUE.
GO AHEAD AND STAND IN FRONT THAT MICROPHONE.
SO, SO WHAT DO YOU GOT? I HAVE A, UM, A PLAN MADE THAT IT'S A 24 BY 30 BUILDING, RIGHT? IS THIS THE SAME ONE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY OR IS THIS DIFFERENT? PROBABLY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS PARCEL RIGHT NOW? YES.
WELL, MY, MY, UH, BIG BUILDING IS IN FRONT YOU WHERE IT SAYS ONE STORY METAL FRAME BUILDING.
OH, SO THE NEW ONE'S JUST THE, THE SLASHES THE LITTLE THING IN THE BACK.
SO TIE BASICALLY FROM LAKE AVENUE LOOKING IN, IT'S THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND BILL, SARAH AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S BEEN, AND ROGER, UH, GIBSON SINCE TAKING OVER HAS BEEN REFERRING STUFF TO THE PLANNING BOARD PRIOR TO THE, UH, COMMITTEE, THE SITE PLAN, WAIVER COMMITTEE DETERMINING TO ISSUE A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
CAN, CAN YOU MUTE SOMEBODY? MUTE, MUTE.
LET'S TRY THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT'S MOVING US.
AND SO, SO THERE WON'T BE THE FEEDBACK, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UNDO IT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK.
WE'LL HAVE TO OPEN UP THE SYSTEM AGAIN.
WHEN SOMEONE TALKING, I JUST WANNA PRESENT THE FACT NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU GUYS NOW.
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IT'S NOT THAT ONE.UM, JUST, I WAS EXPLAINING, SARAH AND I WERE TALKING, IT'S BEEN ROGER'S HABIT TO SEND STUFF TO YOU TO GET COMMENT ON POTENTIAL SITE PLAN WAIVER ISSUES.
I PUT IN MY MEMO A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN WAIVER REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW.
THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SITE PLAN WAIVER.
YOU CAN PROCEED WITH A FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR YOU CAN RECOMMEND THINGS TO THE SITE PLAN WAIVER COMMITTEE ABOUT ISSUING A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR THIS.
I LIKE ROGERS HAVE, HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD UNDERSTANDS ABOUT THESE PROJECTS THAT MAY RECEIVE A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
IS THIS SMALL BUILDING BEING STRUCK? UH, UH, PUT AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, IT MEET ALL ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
BILL HAS TO SIGN THE SITE PLAN WAIVER IF YOU GO TO THE ROOT OF THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, SO HE'LL KNOW YOUR CONCERNS AND ISSUES.
SO WITH THAT PASSED AWAY, SO CAN YOU SEE ANY OF THIS NEW BUILDING FROM THE ROAD? YES.
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD? YEAH, IT'S ALL THE PROPERTY'S WIDE OPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S, IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT'S TWO DOORS.
IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD LAND SPOT.
I'M, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
OH, THE BIG GROUND AND BEIGE BUILDING.
SO, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM LAKE AVENUE, THIS IS TO THE TOP LEFT AREA TOWARDS THE DECAL PIPE IS BEHIND ME.
HOW FAR ARE YOU FROM THE CORNER? FROM WHERE? THE CAR DEALER, THE LITTLE CAR DEALER.
THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S OUR SERVICE AREA UP THERE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? WHAT'S THE, THE BUILDING BEING MADE OUT OF? IT'S A STEEL BUILDING SAME AS WHAT I HAVE NOW IN THE FRONT PART WITH A LARGE BUILDING.
SO IT'LL, UH, PRESUMABLY THE COLOR, THE PLAN IS GONNA HAVE IT MATCH AFTER HE BUILT THE BUILDING.
THAT'S MY GAME PLAN IS TO MATCH THE METAL TO MATCH.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT'S A SHORT THUMB IN THE BACKYARD.
I WANT IT TO KIND OF BLEND WITH THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BLEND ALSO.
RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, THE COLOR WILL BE REALLY CLOSE.
WE'RE GOING WITH A LIGHT BEIGE WITH A, A BROWN ROOF IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SEEMS LIKE THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD PUT ON SUCH A WAIVER, IT WON'T NEED ANY OF ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I'M SORRY, PARKING SPACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NO PARKING NEEDED FOR THIS.
IT'S JUST STORAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT, IT BASICALLY, UM, ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT UP TO IT AS A GARAGE WITH A FLAT PUT ALL THE FLAT WORK AND EVERYTHING IN THAT RESPECT, YES.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, IT'S NOT A PARKING LOT.
I GOT A 32,000 SQUARE FOOT PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF ALL THIS.
YEAH, NO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE PARKING LOT ITSELF OUT FRONT IS GOOD FOR TWO 300 CARS.
ALRIGHT THEN I GUESS I WILL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE SITE PLAN FOR 4 9 4 5 LAKE AVENUE.
OKAY, SO WE WAIVE THE SITE PLAN.
SO WE HAVE A SITE PLAN WAIVER FORM THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE TOWN ENGINEER BILL AND SARAH HAVE TO SIGN THAT FORM.
AND THEN YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR BUILDING.
SO, AS WE SAID EARLIER, NUMBER TWO IS NOT ON THE WORK SESSION'S NOT GONNA BE HEARD TONIGHT.
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YEAH.SO THE THIRD ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS HAMBURG SELF STORAGE REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 15,373 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON VACANT LAND LOCATED AT 5 1 3 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROB HENICK FROM NUSSBAUM AND CLARK'S OFFICE.
UH, WE'RE LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG AND WE ARE THE SURVEYORS AND DESIGN ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT.
AND WE'RE, AS MR. CLARK HAD INDICATED, WE'RE SEEKING SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, YOUR APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT TO PROCEED WITH DEVELOPING SITE PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND ESSENTIALLY ODOR STOP MAKES AIR PURIFIERS TO GET RID OF SMOKING ODORS AND PET ODORS AND FOOD ODORS AND GARBAGE ODORS.
UM, THE SITE WILL BE USED FOR WAREHOUSING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRODUCTS ARE AIR PURIFIERS AND, UM, WILL BE WAREHOUSED HERE.
UM, THE BUILDING, UM, MR. SCHMIDT HAS RETAINED SUTTON ARCHITECTURE AND THERE IS A RENDERING, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THAT SHOWS THE BUILDING.
IT'S A METAL BUILDING, UH, AGAIN, 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THERE'S FOUR OFFICES IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING IS WAREHOUSING.
THERE'S A DRIVEWAY PROPOSED ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING.
HE HAS, UH, A COUPLE PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT, I THINK FIVE TOTAL.
AND HE HAS EIGHT PARKING SPACES BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE CONCEALED BY THE BUILDING AND HAS A DRIVEWAY, A 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT, UH, RUNS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE BACK.
ROB, WERE THEY SHARING THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY IT LOOKS LIKE? OR IS THIS THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY AND IS EXISTING? THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CURB CUT THAT EXISTS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SHARING THE DRIVEWAY.
THIS ONE HERE LOOKS LIKE IT GOES ACROSS BOTH PROPERTIES ARE EVEN RE THERE PART OF THE, YEAH, THERE IS AN EASEMENT HERE, DREW.
BUT THE PRIMARY EDGE, HE'LL BE COMING IN RIGHT HERE WITH HIS CURB CUT.
AND SO THIS WILL BE A NEW CURB CUT ON SOUTHWEST? NO, HE HAS AN EXISTING, HE HAS EXISTING CURB CUT.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, WHAT'S THE EXISTING CURB CUT SERVICE? IT'S, IT'S JUST THERE, IT IS A VACANT LOT RIGHT NOW.
WHEN YOU HAVE A PRECIOUS CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GIVE 'EM UP
NOW, AND THE OTHER BIG ISSUE YOU ADDRESSED WITH A FOLLOW UP EMAIL IS THAT THERE'S PUBLIC MINI STORAGE LOTS ARE BUILDINGS ON THIS LOT.
YOU'RE GONNA RECONFIGURE THE LOT SOMEHOW.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY, THIS PARCEL I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE CARVED OUT OF THE LARGER PARCEL AND IT IS GONNA BE A STANDALONE ADDRESS.
HE ACTUALLY WOULD PREFER, I BELIEVE THE SELF STORAGE PROPERTY IS 51 39.
HE WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER THIS BUILDING TO BE 51 29.
THE ASSESSOR, THE TOWN ENGINEER GIVES INPUT ON ADDRESSES OR RIGHT.
IT'S UP TO TYPICALLY THE TUM FROM THE TOWN.
THAT'S JUST HIS PREFERRED ADDRESS.
51 29 TO MAKE SOME DISTINCTION DISTINCTION BETWEEN THIS AND THE STORAGE FACILITY.
SO ROB, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THAT KIND OF LAYING ON THE LOT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT MEETS ZONING, SETBACK, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU CAN GET US, NOT THAT WE NEED TO DO SUBDIVISION APPROVAL 'CAUSE YOU'RE, ARE YOU CREATING A NEW LOT OR JUST RECONFIGURING THE LOT? RECONFIGURING.
SO, BUT WE DO NEED TO SEE THE HOT LINES BECAUSE WE NEED TO SAY, ARE YOU MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE CODE.
AND WHEN WE SUBMIT OUR DETAILED, UM, ENGINEERING PLANS, WE'LL PR WE'LL BRING A NEW SURVEY THAT WILL SHOW ALL THOSE OFFSETS TO I MET WITH, UM, VAL FROM YOUR OFFICE OVER THE PHONE AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW SHE GOT THE SETBACK THAT SHE DID.
THE, THE PAR THE NEW, THE NEW PARCEL WILL BE SUCH THAT THIS BUILDING DOES NEED.
THIS GRAY AREA THAT'S SHOWN ON HERE IS GOING TO BE THE NEW LOCK
UM, JUST SOME COMMENTS WE HAD RECEIVED FROM, UH, KAMI GERALD.
UM, WE HAVE NO, UH, ISSUE OF COMPLYING.
WE'LL SHOW THE DOWNSPOUTS CONNECTED TO THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
THE SITE IS UNDER AN ACRE, SO WE DON'T HAVE A STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN.
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AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PLAN SET.SHE HAD ALSO ASKED THAT ANY OUTDOOR LIGHTS BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, WHICH WE WILL DO AND, UH, THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THE LANDSCAPE PLAY.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON THE, YOU YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT YOU NEED TO DESCRIBE WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT MANY PARKING SPACES 'CAUSE UNDER THE CODE, THE PLANNING BOARD NOW DETERMINES IF THAT IS ADEQUATE PARKING OR NOT.
AND WE, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE IT'S ADEQUATE PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING ALONG SOUTHWESTERN.
WE DON'T WANT CARS PARKED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE OVER PARKED.
THIS HAS FOUR OFFICES INSIDE PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS COMING 13 SPACES, RIGHT? YES.
FIVE IN THE FRONT AND EIGHT IN THE BACK AS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
AGAIN, WE WILL ADJUST IT NECESSARY.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO A LITTLE BETTER JOB ON THE LANDSCAPING
I'M JUST GIVING YOU ADVICE THAT YOU NEED A LITTLE BETTER LANDSCAPING.
THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE COMMENTING ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING BASED UPON THE SITE PLAN REGULATIONS.
WE NO LONGER HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE MINIMUM ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE SITE PLAN ORDINANCES.
OUR BIGGEST, UM, OPTION WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPING IS PROBABLY GONNA BE UP IN THE SOUTHWESTERN TO KIND OF SHIELD THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT REALLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN FRONT OF A BUILDING.
A LITTLE FOUNDATION PLANNING AND THEN A LITTLE ROAD.
THE LAW REQUIRES, AND YOU HAVE SOME ALONG THE LAW REQUIRES SO MANY TREES FOR, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE AND ALONG THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE ONE PROPERTY BOUNDARY IS, IS WITH THE MINI STORAGE.
GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO PUT ANY LANDSCAPING IN THERE, BUT YOU DO HAVE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED PROBABLY ON THE OTHER SIDE AND AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FOCUS OF IT.
IT SAYS SO MANY TREES PER LINEAR 30 FEET OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED, THEN PLANT THOSE IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES.
UH, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH THAT MISSION.
HOW MUCH SAGE IS THERE FROM THE SIDEWALK TO SOUTHWESTERN? UM, IT, THAT SCALE'S PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT FEET.
USE THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING WHERE THE SHOULDER IS.
YEAH, IT'S IT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
YOU REMEMBER THE PROJECT WE HAD WITH THE SELF STORAGE WHERE THEY THEY RETURN IN THE BUILDINGS? YEAH, THIS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT.
SOMETIMES THESE ONE 17 A LITTLE LESS CUMBERSOME.
MY SORRY TO TURN OUR BACKS ON YOU AND THESE FOLKS.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE AN OCCASIONAL TRACTOR TRAILER, BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR THEM TO TURN AROUND IF THEY DO COME IN.
BUT I THINK PRIMARILY HIS BUSINESS USES THE SMALLER PANEL TRUCKS LIKE A RIDER TYPE TRUCK.
SO ROB, YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO TALK TO DOT ABOUT THAT EXISTING CURB CUT.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT.
I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS PHOTO HOW BIG IT IS OR, OR WHATEVER ARE THEY ARE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
THE PHOTO, IT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST LIKE A CONTINUOUS OH THAT'S ALL ONE BIG CUT.
YEAH, I WOULD, THEY'RE GONNA WANT CLOSE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT CHANGE.
SO YOU MAY WANNA CONSULT WITH THEM AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
IF THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM DOT YOU CAN JUST SEE.
YEAH, I CAN RIGHT, RIGHT AT THIS RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE STARTER AND I COULDN'T SEE IF THIS WAS JUST DID HERE WHERE IT GOES.
ALL WE'LL HAVE GOOD TO GET INPUT FROM THEM AND THEN SHOW US WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THAT DRIVEWAY.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU KEEP BOTH, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO CUT OFF AND JUST HAVE THE OTHER ACCESS DRIVEWAY FOR THE, FOR THE MINI STORAGE, RIGHT? YES.
THEY'RE ACCESS MANAGER, THEY'RE,
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YOU THINK WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE IS GONNA BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT TO THAT SPOT.I THINK HE'LL DO A GOOD JOB ON IT.
ROB, DO YOU WANNA BE BACK ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL? UM, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT OUR SITE TOPOGRAPHY DONE NOW, SO YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FULL SITE PLAN STUFF IN BY THE FRIDAY.
BEF UH, WHAT IS IT, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT? THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, WHICH IS GONNA INCLUDE THAT LANDSCAPING.
IS THAT THE, UM, THAT'S NEXT? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE, I FOR YOUR 17TH MEETING WE WOULD BE NO.
READY? LET'S DO THAT THEN ANYWAY.
'CAUSE I, MY BOARD PROVIDE ANY OTHER DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT ISSUES THEY SHOULD ADDRESS FOR THEIR SITE PLAN APPLICATION? NO.
ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMBURG SELF STORAGE TO MARCH 17TH, SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
CARRIE, I KNOW SARAH WILL DO THIS.
CAN WE JUST CHANGE THIS TO THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS AND NOT SELF STORAGE ANYMORE? OWNER STOP.
RIGHT, MIKE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME, WE KNEW IT WASN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHEN I FIRST STARTED IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER SELF STORAGE WAS OWNERS STOP AND AGAIN, THEY, I ACTUALLY DID TWO.
THEY, THEY UM, DEAL AND AIR PURIFIERS.
CALL IT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW, SO IT'S EASY TO FIND, BUT LATER DAYS IF THIS IS THE ODORS STOP BILLING ODORS STOP FACILITY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL SEE YOU IN A MONTH.
SO WE GOT A FEW MINUTES BEFORE SEVEN.
UH, WHY HAVE DID THE PLANNING BOARD REMEMBERS GET MY EMAIL TODAY OR HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE MY EMAIL WITH THE LAWS ATTACHED? YEAH, WE RECEIVED IT TODAY.
I DID ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH, I JUST CAME ON.
AND I'LL GET YOU SOME OTHER MEMOS THAT I GAVE TO THE SUPERVISOR THAT EXPLAINED WE WORKED WITH HIM AND OTHERS TO CREATE THAT LAW MARK WALLING.
SO I'LL GET YOU THE MEMO SO YOU CAN KIND OF KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE DID THAT MEETING.
THAT'S A, IS THAT GONNA BE COMPLETELY HERE? IS THERE GONNA BE WEBEX? IS THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE SUPERVISOR.
YOU CALLED THAT? I AM COMING HERE TO THE WORK SESSION, BUT WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE WEBEX OR ZOOM OR, OR WHATEVER TO CALL INTO THAT.
BECAUSE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS.
SO ARE THEY STRAIGHT? DO YOU KNOW SMILING? YOU ALWAYS DO.
IS THIS OH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE BUILDING THAT, OKAY.
SO YEAH, WE'LL FIND OUT THE SUPERVISOR, MARK, BECAUSE SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY WANNA CALL IN AND NOT ATTEND PERSON.
I'LL CALL THE SUPERVISOR TOMORROW AND FIND OUT ON THE LOGISTICS OF THE MEETING FOR MONDAY IF PEOPLE NEED IN.
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HEY BILL.UM, YOU MIGHT TURN YOUR BOARD, THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN FOR MONDAY, TONIGHT FOR THE, UM, TOWN BOARD.
IF YOU HAVE GOTTEN MORE THAN FOUR HOURS OF TRAINING IN 2020, YOU CAN CARRY UP TO TWO HOURS OVER.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FOUR HOURS, YOU HAVE TO GET THEM, BUT YOU HAVE IT UNTIL THE END OF 2021 TO GET THE HOURS YOU'RE MISSING PLUS 2020.
WHAT BRING UP WHAT, NEXT WEEK'S OR THE NEXT MEETING YOU OH YEAH.
SO THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
YEAH, BUT WE GOT, WE GOT FOUR MINUTES BEFORE OUR REGULAR MEETING STARTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY LONG AGENDA.
SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO FLOAT THE POSSIBILITY OF STARTING EARLY LIKE WE DID IN OUR LAST MEETING.
HOW MANY ITEMS ARE ON THE WORK SESSION, SARAH? FIVE.
SO WE'VE GOT FIVE LITTLE, SO WE, SO WE HAVE FIVE ON THE WORK SESSION AND THEN NINE ON THE REGULAR MEETING.
WE'RE DOWN TO STEP TWO A SEVEN.
RIGHT, BECAUSE WE, WE, YEAH, THIS ONE ONLY JUST DID A BUNCH OF 17 INSTEAD.
SO FIVE ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION.
UH, UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, DO WE WANNA START A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND IF SO WHEN? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD SWITCH THE REGULAR MEETING TIME, BUT, BUT FOR THE FIVE WORK SESSION ITEMS, IT'LL TAKE A WHILE.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO.
DENNIS, NOW? YEAH, NO, I HAVE A TRAINING.
I WAS DOING IT UNTIL SIX 30, BUT I'LL JUST SKIP ON TRAINING EARLY.
YOU SURE? I'M EITHER GONNA BE LATE TO ONE OR LEAVE EARLY FROM ONE, SO
WOULD SIX 15 WORK BETTER FOR YOU MEGAN? YEAH, EITHER.
I MEAN, IT'S WHAT, IT'S, THE TRAINING ENDS AT SIX 30, SO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND I'LL JUST ADJUST MY SCHEDULE AND SEND EMAILS ACCORDINGLY.
ALRIGHT, WELL WHY DON'T WE JUST TRY SIX 15 THEN.
IS THAT OKAY WITH DENNIS? NOW? I'LL TAKE THAT AS A YES AND I'LL, SO WE'LL NOTICE THE WORK SESSION FOR SIX 15.
THE REGULAR MEETING WILL STILL BE AT SEVEN IF WE'RE LUCKY.
SO, SO YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG ONE.
UM, I THINK THE 17TH IS GONNA PROBABLY BE LONG ALSO FOR MARCH.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE NEW PROJECT FOR THE 17TH SO FAR.
SO LET'S GET THE REGULAR MEETING STARTED.
WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TWO OF THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.OKAY, WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 17TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF AMBER PLANNING BOARD.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOBCAT OF BUFFALO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 7 8 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE WHERE WE, WHEREVER YOU WANT.
UM, EVENING CHRIS WOOD WITH ATED WOOD MORRIS.
SO THE PROJECT, UH, WITH ME ALSO IS, IS PETER FROM BOBCAT BUFFALO.
HE'S GONNA BE THE MANAGER OF THE, OF THE NEW STORE IN SOUTHBOUND.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 5,600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION.
THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE SITE.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE REDOING FACADE AT THE FRONT.
AND, UH, THE ADDITION ON THE BACK, I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A NICE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THE ENTIRE SITE IS 9.7 ACRES.
UM, OUR PROJECT CONSISTS OF ABOUT 1.7 OF THE 9.7 ACRES.
UH, WE DO HAVE 11 EXISTING PARKING SPOTS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE WILL REMAIN FOR, UH, VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, A STONE DISPLAY AREA ON THE FRONT, WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF DISPLAYING NEW EQUIPMENT, NOT USED EQUIPMENT.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN.
LIGHTING LIGHTING IS PRETTY, UH, NON-INTRUSIVE.
WE HAVE TWO LIGHT BULBS IN THE FRONT.
THEY WERE GONNA PUT HOUSE SHIELDS ON THE BACKHOE, SO ANY SPILLAGE TOWARDS SOUTH PARK WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
THE AREA IN THE BACK, UH, THE FENCE SCENARIO, THE PORTION OF THE FENCE THAT, UH, FRONT SOUTH PARK LET A SCREEN ON IT.
YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE FENCE.
ANY, UH, UNLOADING OF VEHICLES OR UH, MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES FOR SERVICING THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THAT FENCE SCENARIO.
ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER.
DID YOU GET, CHRIS, WOULD YOU MIND GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT? I BELIEVE THEY, THERE'S UH, THE INDIVIDUAL, IT'S THE WOODS OF BAY WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? CA, JOSH, JEFF, JOSH BEST IS HERE.
CAN SPEAK, SPEAK? WE DID, UM, WE DID GET HIS LETTER.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY ADDRESS THE QUESTION, BUT COME THROUGH THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T BRING THE LETTER WITH US BECAUSE WE DID SPEAK WITH JOSH AHEAD OF TIME AND I THINK WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH MOST OF THE ITEMS WITH HIM.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A LETTER, I CAN, I DO PULL UP HERE.
IT KEEPS FALLING OFF MY SCREEN SOMEHOW.
BOTH OF THEM WERE, UM, I THINK OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO PETER, MAY 1ST SECTION WAS ABOUT NOISE, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION.
I'LL LET PETER TALK ABOUT THE OPERATION.
UH, SO HOURS OF OPERATION ARE GONNA BE FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM AND THEN SATURDAYS EIGHT TO, UH, SECOND ONE WAS TYPES OF TRUCKS PICKING UP AND DELIVERING EQUIPMENT, LARGE DUMP TRUCKS, LETTING OUT AIR BRAKES.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES THAT OUR CUSTOMERS DRIVE ARE TYPICALLY PICKUP TRUCKS, F TWO 50, F THREE 50 WITH TRAILERS.
UH, WE'LL AT SOME POINT HAVE, UH, DUMP TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUTTA THERE WITH TRAILERS, BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE BEHIND THE FENCE WHEN THEY DO THEIR LOADING AND UNLOADING.
IS THE DUMP TRUCKS TO BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE EXPIRATION? THOSE ARE CUSTOMERS VEHICLES.
UM, SO IF THEY'RE COMING TO PICK UP EQUIPMENT, UH, SOME OF THEM DO OPERATE DUMP TRUCKS,
UH, SO ALL THE LOADING AND UNLOADING IS GONNA BE DONE ON THAT STONE PORTION OUT BACK.
WE DON'T LUMP CUSTOMERS DOING THAT ON THE ASPHALT.
UM, SO THAT NUMBER ONE THAT'S GONNA CUSHION THE NOISE, ANY NOISE LEVELS THAT'S COMING THROUGH.
UM, AND ALSO THE MAJORITY OF TRAILERS THAT CUSTOMERS ARE GOING AFTER NOW DON'T HAVE RAMPS.
A LOT OF THE, ESPECIALLY THE LARGER TRAILERS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, HYDRAULIC OR AIR POWERED RAMPS OR TILT TRAILERS.
JUST BEFORE WE GO INTO, WHY'D YOU, UM, I'M FAMILIAR BUT EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE ACTUALLY WHAT BOBCAT AT BUFFALO DOES, WHAT IS THEIR BUSINESS AND HOW THEY DO IT.
BUT IT KIND OF GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT YOU DO.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE A, UH, WE'RE ONE OF THE, UH, WE REPRESENT BOBCAT, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPACT EQUIPMENT BRAND IN ALL OF NORTH AMERICA.
UM, SO WE RENT THE MACHINES, WE SELL THE MACHINES, WE SERVICE 'EM, SELL PARTS FOR THEM.
UH, PREDOMINANTLY WE ARE SALES FIRST.
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IS A SECONDARY FUNCTION OF OUR BUSINESS.UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FAMILY OWNED SINCE 1998.
UH, THIS SOUTHERN LOCATION IS GONNA BE A SUBSIDIARY OF OUR MAIN LOCATION, WHICH IS, IS UP IN LOCKPORT.
UM, JUST TO SERVICE OUR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE DOWN THIS WAY.
WE DO QUITE A BIT OF BUSINESS SOUTH OF BUFFALO AND CURRENTLY THEY HAVE TO DRIVE TO LOCKPORT TO GET THAT SERVICE OR MYSELF OR ONE OF MY COUNTERPARTS IS RUNNING DOWN TO THEM.
SO THIS IS JUST GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT LONG DRIVE FOR THEM.
WOULD WOULD THEY GIVE FOR THAT? UH, IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT THIS IS MOTOR VEHICLE MOTOR IF NOT MOTOR VEHICLES, WHICH ARE CARS AND WHATEVER.
SO DETERMINATION WAS, THIS DOES NOT BE SPECIAL USED PERMIT RIGHT INTO ANY, ANY LARGE REPAIRS WOULD BE DONE IN THE LOCKPORT STORE, CORRECT? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, IT IS A VERY SCALED DOWN VERSION OF OUR LOCKPORT STORE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE EQUIPPED TO, YOU KNOW, DO FULL MACHINE OVERHAULS AT THIS LOCATION.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE DONE IN OUR LOCK FOUR STORE SALE.
WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, UM, AND SMALL
NOW YOU GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT IT KIND OF GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ACTUAL BUSINESS IS.
SO THE, THE FOURTH QUESTION, MACHINES IDLING FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME WHILE WARMING UP.
SO WITH, WITH TIER FOUR, UM, YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T ILE THEM FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
YOUR INITIAL WARMUP IS ONLY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LONG.
UM, AND THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD BE DOING THAT IS IF WE PHYSICALLY NEEDED TO USE THE MACHINE.
NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 WE'RE FIRING UP THE MACHINE, WE'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT ON THE TRAILER, SHUTTING IT OFF.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING VERY SHORT AMOUNTS OF TIME.
VERY E EVEN AT OUR SHORT AND LOCK BOARD CURRENTLY, VERY RARELY ARE WE LETTING THE MACHINES SIT THERE ENTITLED FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
LOOKS LIKE ARE, ARE RENTERS OF THE BUSINESS PICKING UP THEIR OWN VEHICLES OR JUST BOBCAT DELIVERS ANY RENTERS? WE'RE CURRENTLY OUT OF OUR LOCKPORT LOCATION, WE'RE ABOUT 50 50.
UM, ABOUT HALF THE CUSTOMERS DO PICK UP THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT AND THE OTHER HALF WE ARE DELIVERING WILL THERE BE MACHINES MOVING AROUND THE YARD AND UNLOADING.
SO THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE A NEED TO RUN EQUIPMENT IN THE YARD IS IF WE ARE LOADING A CUSTOMER WITH AN ATTACHMENT UNLOADING A, YOU KNOW, OUR PARTS DELIVERY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT WE WON'T BE SHORT OF SNOW REMOVAL IN THE WINTER.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO JUST BE DRIVING EQUIPMENT OUT THE YARD.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, TRUCKS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT BACKING UP MAKING THE, THE BEEP BEEP BEEP NOISE? SO I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF OUR LOCKPORT LOCATION.
VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE TRUCKS WITH BACKUP ALARMS. THE MACHINES DO HAVE THE BACKUP ALARMS. UM, BUT I THINK THAT NOISE JUST WITH THE TRAFFIC LEVEL IS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE TO THE, THE CLOSEST BUILDING THAT THE, THE BACKUP ALARMS ARE NOT THAT LOUD.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN THE, THE SECOND PART OF THAT LETTER WAS ABOUT VISUAL IMPACTS.
SO FIRST QUESTION IN THAT SECTION IS, HOW MANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WILL BE DISPLAYED AND WHAT WILL BE THE SIZE? SO PREDOMINANTLY SPEAKING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 15 TO 20 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT OUT FRONT OF THE FENCE, UM, IN THAT STONE SECTION AND ALSO THIS SHORT SECTION OF ASPHALT.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GONNA BE COMPACT EQUIPMENT.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LESS THAN 10,000 POUNDS, USUALLY SIX FEET WIDE AND ABOUT 10 FEET LONG.
YOUR STANDARD BOBCAT EQUIPMENT, UH, WE DO INTEND TO HAVE POSSIBLY HAVE ONE OR TWO SECTION BECAUSE OF THE STEEL TRACKS NOW LIGHTING USED TO DISPLAY, UH, WILL THE PROPERTY BE LIT UP ALL NIGHT? UH, SENDING LIGHTS INTO BEDROOMS OF OUR RESIDENCE.
AND THE LAST PART I THINK I'LL ADDRESS, UH, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE LIGHTING BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, SO IT SHOULDN'T SEND LIGHTS INTO ANY PART OF RESIDENCE PROPERTY AT ALL.
UM, BUT THE FIRST PART, WILL IT BE LIT UP ALL NIGHT? RIGHT? WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING TWO LIGHTS IN THE FRONT, 2 2 15 FOOT LED LIGHTS WITH THE HOUSE SHIELDS ON THE BACKSIDE ON THE SOUTH PARK SIDE.
AND UH, THE ONLY OTHER LIGHTS BESIDES THOSE TWO ARE, THERE'S ONE EXISTING LIGHT IN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT WHICH RE REMAIN.
THAT'S EVEN ALMOST LIKE A DECORATIVE TYPE OF LIGHT AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL PARKING LOT LIGHT.
AND THEN THERE THERE WILL BE A, A FEW BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTS ON THE, ON THE BUILDING ADDITION, BUT WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON HAVING ANY POLES OR ANYTHING IN THE FENCE AND AREA IN THE BACK.
UH, THIRD QUESTION IS ABOUT FENCING.
THE TYPE OF FENCING AND THE HEIGHT.
IT POINTS OUT THAT MOST HEAVY EQUIPMENT IS TALL AND COULD BE SEEN OVER A SIX FOOT FENCE.
WILL THE FENCE ADEQUATELY AND PERMANENTLY BLOCK THE VISUAL OF A WORKING CONSTRUCTION REPAIR SHOP? SO
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I, I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF REPAIRS.WHERE WOULD REPAIR, WOULD ANY REPAIRS BE DONE OUTSIDE? NO, ALL THE REPAIRS WOULD BE DONE IN RULES.
SO ESSENTIALLY THAT SIDE LOT IS JUST FOR STAGING THE EQUIPMENT, BE IT ALL MY RENTAL EQUIPMENT WILL BE BACK THERE.
ANY USED EQUIPMENT WILL BE BACK THERE OR SERVICE MACHINES.
UM, SO IF A CUSTOMER DROPS OFF A MACHINE THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON, IT'LL BE STAYED BEHIND THE FENCE.
IT WILL BE, UNLESS THEY HAVE TO FOR SOME REASON JUMP THE BATTERY, LET'S SAY THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THEY WOULD DO ANY SORT OF WORK OUTDOORS, THEY WOULD ALL BE DONE INDOOR NUMBER FOUR TIRE MARKS FROM THE REAR YARD TRACKING DEBRIS, MUD, AND DUST ONTO SOUTH PARK AVENUE CREATING M STUFF MARK ON THE ROAD.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA, IT WON'T BE DRIVING THE EQUIPMENT ON SOUTHWARE, RIGHT? IT'D BE MAINLY THE DELIVERY VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT.
W WITH IT BEING STONE IN THAT ONE SECTION, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT CONCERN WOULD COME UP.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA REMAINS STONE AND IT'S NOT FULL OF MUD.
UM, I CAN SEE WHERE THE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF THE MUD STARTS PUSHING UP THROUGH.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO PREVENT THAT.
WILL LOADING AND UNLOADING OF LARGE TRUCKS HAPPEN IN THE FRONT OF THE FENCE OR ALWAYS BEHIND THE FENCE? ALWAYS BEHIND THE FENCE.
THAT'S WHERE MY LOADING DOCK WILL BE AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE UNLOAD AND LOADING AREA
FINAL SECTION OF THIS LETTER IS TRAFFIC.
UM, LARGE VEHICLES TURNING ONTO THE PROPERTY WITH TRAILERS AT THE EXACT POINT WHERE THE ROAD CHANGES FROM TWO LANES TO ONE.
UH, ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT HOW YOU PLAN ON ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, HONESTLY, I, I HAVE NO WAY TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC THERE.
I MEAN IT, I CAN SAY FOR MY TRUCKS, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MITIGATE ANY SORT OF EXCESSIVE WIDE TURNS.
MY DELIVERY VEHICLES OUT OF THERE WILL BE PICKUP TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.
UM, BUT I CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER LARGE VEHICLES COMING IN THERE.
THAT THAT'S EVERYTHING IN THAT LETTER.
UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE SAME ONE YOU WERE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT KAITLYN, RIGHT? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, BILL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE REPAIRING INSIDE OF THE SHOP, ARE ALL THE DOORS GOING TO BE SHUT? AND WHAT TYPE OF REPAIR EQUIPMENT, UH, ARE YOU USING? WHAT PRESSORS? A HIGH POWER TOOLS I'M CONCERNED IS YOU DON'T BE OPEN UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT THAT, UH, IF THOSE DOORS ARE OPEN, IT'S GONNA CREATE A NOISE PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
WELL, SO WE WILL HAVE, WE CLOSE AT FIVE O'CLOCK EVERY NIGHT AND NOON ON SATURDAYS.
UM, SO WHAT WE WON'T RUN INTO THE ISSUE OF ANY EXCESSIVE NOISES AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WE'LL ALREADY BE GONE FOR THE DAY.
UM, YES, WE WILL HAVE AIR COMPRESSORS, YES, WE'LL HAVE IMPACT GUNS FOR TAKING THE TIRES ON AND OFF.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WILL BE WORKING ON INDOORS WITH THE DOORS CLOSED.
I THOUGHT YOU EARLIER SAID SEVEN TO NINE, BUT IT'S SEVEN TO FIVE.
WE DID, WE DID PURPOSELY ORIENTED ADDITION AND THE DOORS, SO THE DOORS DON'T FACE SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
THEY ACTUALLY FACE, UH, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREES TO SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT ALL PRODUCE NOISE ALSO.
YEAH, I I WAS GONNA POINT THAT OUT DENNIS.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY SENT, THEY'RE DATED FEBRUARY 1ST.
UM, LET ME SEE WHEN IT, THEY CAME IN.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT THEM ON FEBRUARY 4TH.
YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE AND OF, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM SOUTH PARK.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE, THE BIG DOORS DON'T FACE SOUTH PARK.
THEY FACE TO THE SIDES IN THE BACK.
UM, EARLIER MR. WARD STATED THAT THERE WAS 11 PARKING SPACES FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THE CUSTOMERS TO UTILIZE, UH, EXACTLY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES YOU INTEND ON HAVING AT THE SITE AT MAXIMUM NUMBER EMPLOYEES AT 81 TIME.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING FIVE TO SEVEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE GROW, THAT NUMBER WOULD INCREASE AND WE WOULD'VE TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL PARKING.
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UM, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY FIVE TO SEVEN EMPLOYEES.AND THEN HOW MANY CUSTOMERS DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ON AN HOUR IN THE STORE WITH THIS NEW LOCATION? I, I COULDN'T TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, MIGHT SHOP IN LOCKPORT, ACTUAL PARKING SPOTS BEING USED, USUALLY TWO TO THREE AT A TIME.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE OUT BACK LOADING THEIR UNLOADING, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING A STORE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS, THIS ROTATION DOWN SOUTH HERE IS GOING TO BE A THIRD OF THE SIZE OF OUR LOCATION.
YEAH, I THINK MY CONCERN IS JUST SEVEN SPACES ARE ALREADY USED BY YOUR EMPLOYEES.
THAT ONLY GIVES YOU FOUR FOR CUSTOMERS.
WE, WE, WE COULD, I MEAN WE CAN PARK THE EMPLOYEES TOO BY THE FENCE.
PLENTY ROOM IN THE TO PARK BACK THERE.
AND THEN HOW DO THE LARGE TRUCKS HANDLE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES? UH, THEY MEANS THAT THEY'RE MAKING A RIGHT COMING OUT OF YOUR FACILITY.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LARGE TRACTOR CIRCLE.
AND, AND I I WOULD SAY PREDOMINANTLY SPEAKING, IF CUSTOMERS ARE USING THE 90, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING UP CAMP ROAD AND USING SOUTHWESTERN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE A, UH, A LARGE TRACTOR TRAILER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MOST LIKELY GET UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE IT'S HEIGHT RESTRICTED.
UM, SO ANY OF THE LARGE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE GOING BE UTILIZING CAMP ROAD TO SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, BUT A TYPICAL PICKUP TRUCK AND TRAILER, I PERSONALLY HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, AND IN FACT I DO IT ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND HAVE ZERO ISSUES.
SO YOUR LARGER VEHICLES ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN COMING OUTTA THERE WHERE IT GOES FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE.
WELL, IF THEY'RE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN, THEY'RE ALREADY INTO TWO LANES.
UH, IT'S, IF, IF YOU'RE HEADING NORTH ON SOUTH PARK, YOU'RE DROPPING A ONE LANE, BUT THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE THEY WOULD BE EXITING, THEY'D BE GOING INTO A TWO LANE SECTION.
IF YOU TAKEN A TRUCK OVER THERE AND TRIED DOING THE LEFT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE I I, I HAVE NEVER DRIVEN A TRUCK WITH A TRAILER LIKE THAT BEHIND IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TO MANEUVER THE LEFT THERE.
I, I, I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY DONE IT, BUT THERE IS CURRENTLY A CONTRACTOR THERE, UM, THAT DOES HAVE A TRUCK AND TRAILER AND HE'S DOING IT.
UM, AND HE'S BEEN DOING IT SINCE HE'S BEEN THERE.
SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING ISSUE AT ALL.
I JUST SUSPECT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAN HE IF HE'S JUST A ONE SHOW AND YOU'RE BRINGING IN CONTRACTORS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO QUESTION BILL, BUT I'LL ASK AFTER THE PUBLIC.
YOU WANNA ASK IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
MEGAN, DO YOU HAVE THE NOTICE? YES, I DO.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, PLENTY BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BOBCAT OF BUFFALO TO CONSTRUCT A FIVE, 600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 7 8 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? YES, I'LL GO.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? UM, HI, MY NAME IS JOSHUA BEST.
I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WHO WAS A BAYVIEW.
UM, I WROTE THAT LETTER THAT YOU GUYS JUST WENT THROUGH.
UM, SARAH WAS NICE ENOUGH TO FORWARD IT TO CHRIS, WHO THEN PUT ME IN CONTACT WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, BROTHER TIM.
AND, UH, HE ALLEVIATED A LOT OF MY CONCERNS.
I JUST WANTED TO GET MY POINTS ADDRESSED AND I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THAT.
AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT THAT MAY BE A NICE NEIGHBOR AND GREAT ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYONE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BOBCAT BUFFALO PROJECT? OKAY.
AND THERE'S NONE ONLINE EITHER, BILL.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON RECORD.
UM, THERE'S NO COMMENTS ONLINE, SO, UH, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS IN THE FUTURE, GONNA CONDITION UPON LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THE ISSUE YOU ALWAYS HAVE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE HERE IS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEND YOU, THEY'RE PROPOSING
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SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE DISPLAY AREA BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE DISPLAY AREA AND YOU'LL HAVE THE FENCE, OBVIOUSLY THE FENCE SCENARIO, WHICH SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SLATS OR WHATEVER.NO, WHAT'S THAT? THE ME SCREEN FOLLOWED ME SCREEN.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO DISPLAY THEIR VEHICLES.
OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS ARE SCREENING OF THAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF, OF COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO.
THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED RIGHT ALONG THE DISPLAYER IS A LOW, A LOW LANDSCAPING.
IT IS LIKE, UH, GRASSES AND BOXWOODS AND SOME BURNING BUSHES.
UM, THE LAW TYPICALLY REQUIRES SOME TREES.
DO WE WANNA ADD SOME TREES ALONG THERE IN THE FRONT? AND THEY JUST AS VOLUNTEER SPACE, I REALIZE THEY WANT THEIR EQUIPMENT TO BE SEEN.
AND OF COURSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD FROM FROM THE ROAD.
I'M NOT ASKING DIRECTION, BUT IF YOU APPROVE THIS IN A FUTURE MEETING, YOU NEED TO, TO FIND SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO DO THIS LANDSCAPING BECAUSE CHRIS KNOWS, AS I SAID, THE THE GUY DURING THE, UH, WORK SESSION THAT THE LAW REQUIRES SO MANY TREES FOR LINEAR FRONTAGE INSIDE.
IF WE NEED TO PUT THOSE IN A CERTAIN LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA, WE HAVE TREES ON THE, ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA CONCENTRATE ON THE FRONT OF THE SITE WHAT WOULD LOOK BEST.
UM, WE ALSO, WE, WE ALSO PURPOSELY PUT THOSE WALL PLANTINGS THERE AGAIN FOR THE TRAFFIC.
PULLING OUTTA THE DRIVEWAY WE DIDN'T WANNA BLOCK.
AND THERE WAS FAR ENOUGH FACT TOO.
SO I WILL MAKE A XEROX OF THIS OR SARAH WILL SEND YOU THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU, IF THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE US TO PUT POTENTIAL RESOLUTION TOGETHER, GIMME SOME DIRECTION ON THE LANDSCAPING OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER TREES NOT IN FRONT OF THE DISPLAY ITEMS, BUT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY, RIGHT.
YOU COULD DO THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT GIMME SOME DIRECTION ON ON THAT.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NICE THAT WE HAVE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT NATURAL KIND OF, BUT THEN IT'S JUST THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? THEY HAVE A DISPLAY AREA.
IF WE WERE A MOTOR AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE STORAGE, WE KIND OF WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
BUT THIS IS MORE LIKE A DISPLAY AREA.
SO HOW DO YOU WANT HANDLE THAT ALONG THE FRONT? RIGHT? SO OKAY.
GET DONE BEFORE THE NEXT WEEK.
I MEAN I, I THINK AS, AS FAR AS THE STARTING POINT WITH THAT GOES, I KNOW ROGER SAID IT IS NOT MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST THINGS THAT WE SEE TO THAT, RIGHT? SO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE APPROVED FOR CAR SIMILAR THIS.
YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER GOOD ONE.
SO, SO BILL, YOUR NEXT STEP IS USUALLY, I MEAN WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING WE TALKED ABOUT, DO YOU WANT US TO DRAFT SOME, SOME POTENTIAL RESOLUTIONS AND GET THOSE TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME SO YOU CAN THINK ABOUT CONDITIONS, YOU CAN ASK OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU CAN DECIDE THE TABLE MEETING IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED.
BUT DO YOU WANT US TO START PUTTING STUFF TOGETHER? I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT THE EAF, IT'S A SHORT FORM EAF, IT'S A UNLISTED ACTION.
MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, BROUGHT UP SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, NOISE, ET CETERA.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT? SO YOU'RE PREPARED TO MAKE, TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS? SO PROVIDE US SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO TO PREPARE YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
BRENDA, IF I CAN ADD, YOU LAID OUT THOSE LANDSCAPING PLANS AND, BUT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT DRAFTING SOME PRELIMINARY DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
ALL, UM, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T LET KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK I NEED DIRECTION ON THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THINK SO.
SO I SEEING A SITE PLAN RENDERING IF THAT COLOR GAVE US IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? NO, IT'S NOT.
THERE'S NOT THE, THERE'S, THERE'S A SHEET THAT'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WE, WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU AGAIN.
THERE, THERE WERE TWO ATTACHMENTS IN THAT EMAIL AND I THINK THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS IN THE ONE THAT WASN'T WITH THE COLOR PICTURES.
SEVERAL PAGES PDF RIGHT? IT'S IN THE EIGHT EIGHT SHEET SET.
SO, UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE TABLE BOBCAT OF BUFFALO
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TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MARCH THE SECOND OR THIRD, THIRD MARCH 3RD.AND AUTHORIZING THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR BOBCAT OF BUFFALO.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOB BER REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT POLE BARN AT 6 4 6 5 RAILROAD AVENUE.
UH, THIS IS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
SO, SO WHAT DO WE GOT GOING ON BOB? I GOT, WE WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOME KITCHENS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A SIMILAR BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT THE IDENTICAL BUILDING, BUT THE COLORS IN THE SIDE PRETTY MUCH.
OKAY, SO THIS WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, IT IS ZONE INDUSTRIAL AND, AND HE PLANS ON JUST USING IT FOR PERSONAL STORAGE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO YOU JUST BETWEEN THE TRACKS ON RAILROAD AVENUE, FIND
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING? JOE, IF WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL FOR THIS SITE, JUST HAVE SOME, SOME TYPICALS THAT HE'S GONNA BE DOING SIMILAR TO.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? I MEAN, I'M JUST KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENTS ANNOYED ABOUT SOME COLOR ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME WAY TO, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PLANS IDENTIFY THE MATERIAL AND THE COLORS THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE COLORS, RIGHT, BUT, BUT WRITTEN ON THE PLAN, RIGHT? LIKE WHATEVER COLOR THAT IS AND THE PICTURE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BUY IT AND YOU BUY THE PIECE OF METAL AND THEY CALL IT SLATE GRAY OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU, SO IDENTIFYING THE PLANS SLATE, GRAY METAL OUTSIDE AND THEN THE COLOR OF THE ROOF AND IF IT'S WRITTEN ON THE PLANS, THAT'S THE, THE BEST WAY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO UNDERSTAND AND BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
UM, WHICH IS EVEN BETTER THAN IF WE SAY IT SHOULD LOOK KINDA LIKE THESE PICTURES.
SO, SO IF YOU COULD JUST HAVE THEM PAINT COLORS, RIGHT? SO, SO IDENTIFY THE COLORS ON THERE.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANY OTHER IDEAS.
I MEAN I WOULD RECOMMEND USING RATHER THAN JUST LIKE BE OR WHATEVER, IF YOU COULD SPECIFY THE, THE THE PAINT BRAND AND RIGHT.
AND WHAT I THINK THAT WOULD EVEN BE EASIER FOR THEM THAN DAYS.
SO YEAH, ALSO IT'S, IT'S GOOD THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS HAVE A SECTION ON ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND WHATEVER.
UM, UNDERSTANDING COLOR IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE ONE WHERE YOU'RE HAD A PROBLEM IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE BUILDING FOR THE ROAD.
IT'S SO FAR BACK ON IN THE PROPERTY AND BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AND WHATEVER.
WE NEED TO DO, IT'S UNDER THERE, BUT UNDERSTAND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE HERE.
IF THIS BUILDING WAS UP IN THE ROAD, I'D HAVE A LOT MORE CONCERNS OF SEEING WHAT THE ARCHITECT WELL, AND AND THE OTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE IS IT'S NOT NEXT TO ANOTHER BUILDING EITHER.
SO, SO EVEN IF IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN CAN'T RIGHT.
WHAT WHATEVER, WHATEVER COLOR IT IS, IT'S NOT GONNA STAND OUT AND, AND LOOK IN THE CLASH OF SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANY ELSE THERE.
RIGHT? SO WHAT I MEAN KEEP ASKING, IT'S IN THE CODE.
WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT WITH PEOPLE AND ASKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURALS IN OUR CODE SECTION EIGHT OF THE CODE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE CONSIDER CONSIDER.
UM, SO, BUT THIS ONE'S A KIND OF EASIER ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE FRONT AND CENTER.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE SEEN, IT'S GONNA BE WAY
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BEHIND ACCESSORY BUILDING BEHIND OTHER BUILDINGS WITH RAILROAD ON ONE SIDE, RAILROAD ON TWO SIDES.SO, MEGAN, DO YOU WANNA READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, PLEASE? SURE.
HI, NOTICE IT IS HERE BY, GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLENTY BOARD WELCOME CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BOB BEAVER TO CONSTRUCT A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING AT 6 4 6 5 RAILROAD AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 21 AND 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN AT TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BOB BIEBER.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT PROJECT? SO WE HAVE NOBODY HERE SO FAR, NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
ANYONE HERE SPEAK FOR AGAINST THE MR. BEAVER POLE BARN? UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANYONE HERE THAT HAS ANY, UH, OPINIONS ON THE POLE BARN? OKAY.
THERE'S ALSO NO COMMENTS ONLINE.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS AND YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE TO DO IT, BUT BECAUSE A SIMPLE PROJECT WE DID SOLUTION.
IF YOU WANNA GO THE CONDITION THAT FRANK WHALE ADD THAT NOTE TO THE PLAN ABOUT
SARAH, ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER PROJECTS.
IF YOU WANTED TO CLEAN UP YOUR AGENDA, IF YOU'RE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE, WE GOT NO COMMENT.
WE DO HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR YOU IF YOU WANNA MOVE ON.
NO SEEKER, IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION.
SO JUST SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD SPECIFY THAT, THAT THE PAINT COLOR, I MEAN THE COLOR IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWING, BE NOTED ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN FOR ON BILL SIGN.
WELL WE, WHAT I'M WRITING IS THAT THE SITE PLAN WILL IDENTIFY THE COLORS OF THE BUILDING IN THE ROOF.
THIS IS, YOU CAN SEE THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T EVEN HERE IT WOULD BE THAT LAPTOP THERE.
AND I, WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE THE PICTURES.
I'M MORE ABOUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATELY NOTED ON THE RECORD.
SO IF SOMEBODY CALLS SARAH YELL AND SCREAMING.
SO, SO, SO WHAT I WROTE ON OUR, ON THE PROPOSED, UH, RESOLUTION AFTER THE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE CONDITION, UH, AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION SITE PLAN WILL IDENTIFY THE COLORS OF THE BUILDING AND ROOF.
SO THAT WAY WHEN HE DOES THE SITE PLAN BEFORE I SIGN IT, I CAN CHECK TO SEE IF THEY'RE IDENTIFIED ON THERE.
AND THEN THAT'S THE CONDITION OF OUR TOOL.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT SPECIFIC COLORS IN THERE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MANUFACTURER WOULD CALL THOSE COLORS.
AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY BLACK.
THINK THAT'S OKAY AS LONG AS WHATEVER YOU ULTIMATELY SIGN OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY SIGNS OFF ON SPEC ON COLOR THAT WE CAN SAY, RIGHT? I MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT THE COLORS WILL BE LISTED ON IT.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME COLORS AS CHALK THAT YOU DID THERE, HIS BUILDING.
I WOULDN'T WANNA WRITE IT THAT WAY.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT PROPOSED BY BOB BIEBER, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT POLE BARN AT 6 4 6 5 RAILROAD AVENUE.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 SUB C SUB SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE
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BOB BEAVER POLL BARN PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.ONE, ANY LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND TWO, THE SITE PLAN WILL IDENTIFY THE COLORS OF THE BUILDING AND ROOF SO'S MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
ALL RIGHT, SO YOU ARE ALL SET.
HOW DID SON WAS DOING? SOMETHING'S GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD ON MARCH 2ND AND THEN YES, I KNOW.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DPD HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 6 2 2 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY AS A COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
HELLO, UH, KEVIN, I REPRESENT PETITION.
UH, IN THIS MATTER SEEKING, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM, UH, THIS BOARD FOR, UH, USE OF THAT FACILITY MOVING FORWARD AS, UM, A COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE CURRENTLY, UH, THAT IS THE, UH, LUTHERAN CHURCH THAT SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH ON THE CORNER OF, UM, NEWTON AND MCKINLEY.
SO THIS ONE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME LIGHTING ISSUES LAST TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, UH, WE WENT OUT, OR NOT ME, BUT THEY WENT OUT THE DAY AFTER WE HAD LAST MET, UH, WHEN I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH YOU FOLKS, THERE ARE, UH, TWO LIGHTS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING THAT FACE, UM, I GUESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD BE ACROSS, UH, NEWTON THERE.
THE LIGHTS CURRENTLY, UM, ARE I GUESS OUTSHINING THEY CAN ADJUST THE WIDTH, THOSE LIGHTS SIT AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO PUT SCREENING ON THOSE LIGHTS SO THAT IT DOESN'T, UH, IT BLOCKS OUT, UM, THE WAY THAT IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME.
UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE PERIPHERAL LIGHT ON THE, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, GET ACROSS NEWTON SO THEY CAN REPOSITION THEM SO THEY POINT DOWN ONTO THE PROPERTY MORE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO GONNA PUT THOSE SCREENS ON THOSE TWO EXTERIOR LIGHTS.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, THE ZONING BOARD IS GONNA DO A SEEKER ON THIS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET.
RIGHT? I KNOW THEY FORGOT, BUT I'LL DO IT ON MARCH 2ND.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THEIR NEXT ONE, MARCH.
THAT, THAT WAS KIND MY, MY QUESTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD ONE BETWEEN RIGHT.
SO, UM, TO, TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED A USE VARIANCE AND THEN IT CAME TO US.
AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS FOR US TO DO SEEKER.
UH, OUR ATTORNEY MSI SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO SEEKER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF USE VARIANCE THAT, UH, THE ZONING BOARD SHOULD DO SEEKER.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, GOOD LEGAL ADVICE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD ON MARCH 2ND FOR THEM TO DECIDE SEEKER BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DECIDE TO USE VARIANCE AND THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH ONLY SITE PLAN.
UM, SO, BUT WE CAN DO THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AND THEY CAN DO THE SEEKER ON MARCH 2ND.
SO ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? UH, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE EXCEPT AS HE DESCRIBED THOSE, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LIGHTS, WHICH WE, WE, WE WOULD REQUIRE AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WE WANT THE LIGHTS TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
MEGAN, DO YOU HAVE THAT NOTICE? NO.
NOTICE IT'S YOUR RIGHT, GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY DT D HOLDINGS LLC TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING AT SIX TWO MCKINLEY PARKWAY AS COMMERCIAL OFFICE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DPD HOLDINGS, LLC.
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UH, ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT OR ANYONE WATCHING ONLINE THAT WANTS TO DO, UH, TYPE IN COMMENTS NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST DPD HOLDINGS? UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, DID ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON DPD HOLDINGS? SO THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ONLINE, THERE WERE NO, UH, RESIDENTS HERE IN PERSON, SO THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING BEING NO COMMENTS.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK THE THING TO DO WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS TO MARCH 3RD SO THEY CAN HAVE, THEY CAN GO IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD AND GET THIS SECRET CLEARED UP.
AND YOU WANT US TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION, DRAFT RESOLUTION
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE GET TO DECIDE HERE BECAUSE AS I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, THE USE VARIANCE WAS REALLY THE BIG DECISION.
AND THAT WAS THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION, NOT OUR DECISION.
THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT ADDING ASIDE, THEY'RE JUST GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES WE RECOMMENDED ON THE LIGHTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN IS THIS THE MEETING, UH, ARE YOU GUYS MEETING ON THE THIRD? YEAH.
OR WILL IT NOT REQUIRE A SEPARATE APPEARANCE WITH, UH, IF THE ZPA A DOES THE, WE'RE MEETING ON THE THIRD.
YOU WON'T HAVE TO APPEAR UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO, UNLESS THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS.
UH, THE ZPA WILL DO THE, UM, THE NEGATIVE DECK ON TUESDAY NIGHT AND THEN WEDNESDAY NIGHT THESE GUYS WILL OKAY.
READY? IF YOU NEED ME, LEMME KNOW.
SO ASSUME IF ASSUMING THE ZBA DOES THE SPEAKER AND DOES A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UH, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T NEED ANYTHING FROM YOU THOUGH.
BUT IF THAT CHANGES, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIG TREE ROAD, EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
DOES EVERYONE HAVE COPIES OF THE PLANNER SUBMITTING GREEN SPACE? YOU'RE WELCOME.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOP AND SE MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF APPLICANT GLEN WETZEL.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOODS, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD MORRIS.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT SEVERAL TIMES, INVOLVES A REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY AT ZERO BIGTREE AND ZERO WILSON DRIVE, SPECIFICALLY APPROXIMATELY 22.4 OF THE 42 ACRE PROJECT SITE.
UM, 16 ACRES IS A DOWN ZONING R THREE AND THEN SIX ACRES IS A REZONING FROM R ONE TO R THREE.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD THIS EVENING.
OBVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING YOU SERVE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.
IF AND WHEN THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE REZONING, IT WILL COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I DID INDICATE AT THAT MEETING THAT I WOULD SUBMIT A LETTER WITH PROPOSED ZONING CONDITIONS.
I DID THAT, THAT IT WAS A LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 8TH, ADDRESSED TO CHAIRMAN CLARK.
I'M MORE THAN GOING TO READ THEM IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO, OTHERWISE, THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS WE'RE OFFERING TO THE BOARD IN HOPING YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO ISSUE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I WOULD NOTE THE DEADLINE FOR INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES TO COMMENT ON THE TOWN BOARD'S REQUEST TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY EXPIRED ON FEBRUARY 11TH.
THERE WERE COMMENT LETTERS RECEIVED FROM THE DEC AS WELL AS ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING, NOTHING PARTICULARLY SUBSTANTIVE IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THE ONE COMMENT I DO WANNA BRING UP THAT INVOLVES BOTH THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS MR. MANKO SUBDIVISION NEXT DOOR IS THE COUNTY SAID THAT THERE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATION TO CONNECTING THE PROJECTS
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AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE CONNECTED PROJECTS OFF THE EXISTING SUB STREETS ON WILSON DRIVE.AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT IS PROBABLY THE HOTTEST TOPIC.
WE ORIGINALLY DID SHOW A SUBDIVISION CONNECTING TO WILSON DRIVE THAT WAS NOT RECEIVED PARTICULARLY WELL FROM THE RESIDENTS.
BASED ON THAT IN THE ABILITY TO REDUCE WETLAND IMPACTS, WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTIONS TO WILSON DRIVE.
IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS WE'VE OFFERED.
OUR GOAL WOULD TO BE PRESERVED THAT ENTIRE 20.1 ACRES, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED ON GREEN ON THE, ON THE PLAN.
THAT COURSE PREPARED AS DEEP RESTRICTED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT WILL GIVE THOSE RESIDENTS ON WILSON DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE LARGER SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, A PERMANENT ASSURANCE THAT THERE WILL BE NO DEVELOPMENT ON BASICALLY HALF OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT SET.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE, AS YOU RECALL, ORIGINALLY WE HAD SOMEWHAT LARGER WETLAND IMPACTS PURSUANT TO THIS PLAN, THE ONLY WETLAND IMPACT WE HAVE IS THREE TENTHS OF 100 ACRES, OR THREE TENTHS OF ONE ACRE.
THAT DOES QUALIFY FOR A NATIONWIDE PERMIT FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WHILE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, WE'VE NOT YET RECEIVED A PERMIT, BUT WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT BEING IN A POSITION TO BE FINAL APPROVED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
UH, EITHER MYSELF OR CHRIS WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR INPUT YOU HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO DREW HAD, UH, IS AN IDEA ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT.
YOU WANNA KIND OF GO OVER THAT DREW? WELL, UM, I THINK THE ONE ISSUE THAT SEAN BROUGHT UP THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE CONSIDERATION.
WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS BEFORE US THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, THE SECRET LAW DOES SAY LOOK AT SOMETIMES CUMULATIVE ISSUES OR WHATEVER COUNTY BROUGHT UP ISSUES.
I THINK THE ISSUE OF, HEY, TYING THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND TYING THEM INTO WILSON DRIVE WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UH, UH, NOT POSSIBLE.
AND FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WITH PRIVATE DRIVES AND WHATEVER.
WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS PUBLIC ROADS BEING PROPOSED TO PUBLIC ROADS.
AND SECONDLY, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA TIE TRAFFIC INTO, INTO THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION.
UM, IT DOES BRING UP INTERESTING POINTS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTO AND, AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THAT THIS, THIS AREA IS AN INTERESTING AREA.
YOU'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER SUBDIVISION HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA ADD A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUFFERED BY THE OLD WALMART PROPERTY AND EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS ON ALMOST ALL SIDES.
THOSE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS, UH, AROUND THIS AND WHATEVER.
SO IT'S KIND OF A TRANSITION AREA.
UM, I'M JUST THINKING THAT FOR THIS ONE, THAT, THAT WHEN WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND WE HAVE TO PUT A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TOGETHER ON SEEKER AND OR WHATEVER THE ONE ISSUE IS THAT IN THE SEEKER, WE MAY JUST WANT TO CONSIDER ISSUES OF CUMULATIVE.
I MEAN, INDIVIDUALLY, EACH PROJECT THEY STATED ON THE RECORD THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM FOR EITHER.
BUT DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ISSUES RELATED TO BOTH PROJECTS GOING IN? UM, DO WE HAVE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION.
IS THERE ISSUES OF CONNECTIVITY? AS YOU KNOW, WITH PARKER ROAD SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE REQUIREMENTS OF GREEN SPACE OR OPEN SPACE, WHATEVER PART OF THE CODE DEDICATING SHOULD THAT BE? IS THERE POTENTIAL FOR CONNECTIVITY ISSUES HERE? WALKWAY TRAILS, I THINK MR. MANCO BROUGHT THAT UP WITH THE CLUSTER AND BROUGHT IT UP WITH OTHER IDEAS.
AND THIS SUBDIVISION, THIS DEVELOPMENT, DO WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT? SO I GUESS WHEN YOU SAY CONCEPT, IT IS JUST MORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THE, SEE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A ZONING BEFORE US A REZONING.
SO IT'S A DECISION BY THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION BEFORE US.
THAT'S DECISION JUST BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE JUST WANT TO, WHEN WE MAKE COMMENTS TO THE TOWN BOARD ON, ON THE REZONING THAT WE INCLUDE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT WE DO HAVE A SUBDIVISION NEXT DOOR.
AND IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER AND, AND WE'RE GONNA TRANSITION THIS AREA.
IT'S GONNA CHANGE, THIS IS GONNA CHANGE THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.
I I WAS GONNA SUGGEST SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT, THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS.
STORM WATER, AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS NOT ON THIS PROJECT, BUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION CAME ON STORM WATER CUMULATIVE FLOWS ON ONE OF THE TWO PROJECTS.
I, I THINK THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS COMING FROM PC ABOUT RUSH CREEK, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IS WEIGH IN ON RUSH CREEK.
THERE'S POTENTIALLY CUMULATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
THERE'S CUMULATIVE RECREATIONAL IMPACTS POTENTIALLY WITH THE DRIVING OF THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL THAT I THINK THAT
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THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN TRYING TOGETHER, WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH AN EIS OR I WOULD DEFER IT TO, TO DREW'S RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN LOOK AT IT ALL TOGETHER.
YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHILE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE COMMON IMPACTS, I DON'T THINK TYING THE PROJECTS HAND IN HAND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A LAND USE OR ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE IS NECESSARY.
AND I WOULD REMIND THE BOARD ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'RE ONLY AT THE ADVISORY STAGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING.
SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COULD MOVE FORWARD.
IT WILL BE CONSIDERABLE TIME BEFORE THIS IS BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO ALL OF THOSE TOPICS CAN BE DISCUSSED IN MORE DETAIL.
I DO WANNA NOTE WITH RESPECT TO THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL, WHICH WAS A TOPIC THAT CAME UP, THIS UH, SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNED SO IT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY ON THIS SITE.
I ALSO WANNA CLARIFY, CHRIS POINTED OUT SO I CAN CORRECT MYSELF FOR A THIRD TIME.
THE WETLAND IMPACT ON THIS SITE IS 4 107 ACRE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY AS MINIMUM AS IT COULD BE, IT'S FOUR 100 OF AN ACRE.
UH, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THAT PATH, UH, CAN YOU READ THE ZONING CONDITIONS? SURE.
SO PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND WATCHING ONLINE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE.
DO HAVE THEM THOUGH? I FORWARDED THAT.
RIGHT, BUT THE RESIDENTS, OH, I'M SORRY.
AND I DO WANNA MAKE CLEAR ONE MORE POINT FOR THE RECORD THAT I THINK THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT'S COME IN, I BELIEVE PRIMARILY VIA FACEBOOK, UH, DURING PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS THAT IDEA THAT MAYBE WE WOULD CONNECT AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE TO BIG TREE ACROSS FROM TANAKA.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A GUISE TO GET EVENTUALLY A FULL ACCESS ROAD.
I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, PURSUANT TO APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE PRIOR CODE, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND BASED ON THERE BEING SPRINKLED, NO EMERGENCY ACCESS CONNECTION IS REQUIRED TO WILSON DRIVE.
SO THERE WILL BE NO ROAD PUBLIC OR EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE TO WILSON.
SO IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONS, I'LL READ 'EM ONE BY ONE AND I WELCOME INPUT CONDITION NUMBER ONE.
THE APPLICANT SHALL CONVEY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOR THE 20.1 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE OF THE PROJECT SITE TO REMAIN ZONED R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN PREPARED BY CARMINA WOOD MORRIS DPC DATED FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021.
COPY OF THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT ONE.
THAT'S THE PLAN WITH THE 20.1 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
THE CONTENT OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PRIOR TO RECORDING AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH ZONING CONDITIONS THAT THIS BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED IN THE PAST WHERE THERE'S LARGE EXPANSES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION? CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS SHALL BE REPORTED.
THREE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE 20.1 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE PROJECT SITE TO REMAIN ZONED R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN PREPARED BY CARMINA WOOD MORRIS DPC, DATED FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021.
DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS SHALL INCLUDE LANGUAGE EXPRESSLY STATING THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY BUILDINGS, ROADWAYS, OR DRIVEWAYS CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING ANY ROADWAY OR DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS TO THE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT SITE WITH FRONTAGE ON WILSON ROAD.
THE CONTENT OF THE DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PRIOR TO REPORTING AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE OFFICE.
SO THAT'S WHERE NOT ONLY THIS BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD, THE RESIDENTS GET THAT PERMANENT ASSURANCE THAT THERE WILL BE NO DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER ON THE 20.1 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE SHADED GREEN ON THE ANY QUESTIONS OF THAT CONDITION.
CONDITION NUMBER THREE, THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY BUILDINGS LOCATED ON THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE TO BE REZONED.
R THREE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT R THREE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON WILSON ROAD.
THAT THIS MEASUREMENT HERE, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP EARLY ON.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING ASSURANCE THAT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL THAT CLOSEST TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING BE MORE LESS THAN 200 FEET FROM THE REAR BOUNDARY OF THE CLOSEST LINE.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOUR HOUSE IS HERE, YOU'RE LITERALLY FOUR OR 500 FEET TO MANY DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S AT THE CLOSEST POINT FOR THE PLAN.
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BE WILSON DRIVE ROAD.I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT.
I DID THINK, YEAH, I PUT WILSON DRIVE IN THE LETTER RIGHT THERE.
I REFERENCE WILSON ROAD ANOTHER ONE STORY.
IN THAT, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW IS A ONE STORY BUILDING CONDITION.
NUMBER FOUR, THE PROJECT SPONSOR SHALL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A NATIONWIDE PERMIT FROM THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE PROPOSED IMPACT OF FOUR ONE HUNDREDS OF AN ACRE OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.
AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN PREPARED BY CARMINA WOODMORE DPC DATED FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021 PRIOR TO IMPACTING THE WETLAND AREA.
THAT'S AS MUCH JUST TO POINT OUT THAT NUMBER ONE, WE'VE MINIMIZED THE WETLAND THAT IMPACTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL AND JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT PERMIT CONDITION NUMBER FIVE.
AND THIS FOLLOWS UP ON A COMMENT WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE ONSITE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TO BE INSTALLED IN CONNECTION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, INCLUDING THE HANDLING OF A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
VERIFICATION OF COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CONDITION SHALL OCCUR IN CONNECTION WITH THE FUTURE OF YOUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
SO IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE REZONING, CHRIS WILL PREPARE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS AND ENGINEERS REPORT THE SWIFT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CAMMY WILL NEED TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THOSE PLANS FOR TECHNICAL SUFFICIENCY.
THEREBY GIVING EVERYONE A GUARANTEE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS IN A NUTSHELL.
AND I THINK THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD OVER THE, WITH THE BOARD OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
IS, UH, DREW OR CAMMY, UH, IT'S, THEY'RE STILL, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER IS STILL EMPLOYING THEIR OWN SWIFT INSPECTORS.
THE TOWN IS NOT DOING ANY, UH, SWIFT INSPECTIONS ON SITE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
DID YOU HEAR THAT? WE ACTUALLY NEED BOTH.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR INSPECTORS ON, UH, AND THE TOWN HAS A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ALSO DO THEIR OWN SW INSPECTIONS AS A MS FOUR.
AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN CHRIS'S FIRM TYPICALLY DOES THE SW INSPECTIONS, OBVIOUSLY ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT SPONSOR, THAT DOCUMENTATION CERTIFIES THAT IT'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED STORMWATER ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN.
CHRIS CAN ADD MORE IF YOU WANT AND IT CIRCULATED TO, TO THE TOWN, THE CONTRACTOR OR THE OWNER.
SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
SO I, I GUESS KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT DREW WAS SAYING ABOUT CONSIDERING SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE OTHER PROJECT, UH, I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT PROCESS WE WOULD USE.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DOES EVERYBODY IN THE PLANNING BOARD THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, DOES, DOES EVERYBODY IN THE PLANNING THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO CONSIDER THOSE IMPACTS OF THESE PROJECTS? OR DO YOU RETAKE THEM EACH INDIVIDUALLY? OR COULD THERE BE SOME COMMON ELEMENTS? RIGHT, RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OR NONE.
THERE COULD BE SOME THAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT TOGETHER.
YEAH, I THINK IN, IN WHAT SEAN IS SAYING IS YOUR, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE ARE AN INVOLVED AGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THERE'S SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY.
YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS TO THEM ON THE SEEKER RIGHT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD OFFER, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE ACTIONS TONIGHT, I THINK CHRIS, YOU HAD PUT, OR WAS THAT FOR THE PARKER ROAD ONE? UH, ALL THE, ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES TOGETHER.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, DEC BRINGS UP ISSUES LIKE ARCHEOLOGIC SENSITIVE.
YOU'VE DONE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES, YOU'VE DONE WETLAND STUDIES.
THERE'S NOT ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH, I THINK THAT, WAS THAT A MEMO YOU DID FOR THIS OR
SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MEMO CHRIS DID FOR THE MANCO SUBDIVISION.
BUT THE SAME HOLDS TRUE WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION, UH, A WETLAND DONATION REPORT PREPARED BY EARTH DIMENSIONS COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
UM, THEY BROUGHT UP, AND IT'S INTERESTING, THEY BRING UP RUSH CREEK AND OBVIOUSLY RUSH CREEK GOES THROUGH BOTH AREAS AND WHATEVER THEY REFER TO IT, AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA MEET EROSION AND S CONTROL STANDARDS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'RE DOING EXTRA TO PROTECT THAT STREET CREEK, ALTHOUGH IT'S A CLASS C STREAM, IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN UNPROTECTED STREAM.
THE DC IS JUST CONCERNED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE REALLY PROTECTING THAT STREAM AND WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT EXTRA MEASURES AND WHATEVER TO MAKE SURE THIS STREAM IS KEPT.
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'CAUSE IT BASICALLY RUNS THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SITE, RIGHT? IS THAT RUSH CREEK? IT'S A TRIBUTARY RUSH CREEK.IT'S A TRI, THEY CALL IT RUSH CREEK.
IT COULD BE A TRIBUTARY RUSH CREEK.
RUSH CREEK IS ACTUALLY BEHIND BOBCAT AND BUFFALO NEAR RAILROAD.
THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT RUSH CREEK.
AND WE'RE, BUT WE ARE FINE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH EARTH DIMENSIONS, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT TRIBUTARY IS ALSO SUBJECT TO FEDERAL JURISDICTION.
SO THAT IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION AND AS PART OF THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ASSURANCES THAT YOU'LL, WE'LL MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THAT TRIBUTARY AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
THERE A GAS WALL ON THE PROPERTY? HAS IT BEEN THERE? THERE'S A GAS WALL PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THAT? THERE IS, THERE IS, HAS IT BEEN PROPERLY PLUGGED? YES.
IT HASN'T BEEN PLUGGED YET, BUT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE, BUT THAT'LL BE A CONDITION THAT IF YOU PROPERLY CLOSED, PROPERLY CLOSED.
I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE DE'S LETTER.
I MEAN, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SWIFT, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVITY, UM, THE GAS WELL, UM, I DON'T THINK, UH, WE GOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS, RIGHT? IN THE, IN THE COUNTY'S COMMENTS, WHICH WERE BIG PICTURE NATURE, THE COUNTY BASICALLY BROUGHT UP THAT ABOUT THE 69, NOT SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST.
UM, BASICALLY THE COUNTY BRINGS UP A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S NOT MUCH OF THE WAY THE SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD'VE TO WAVE YOU, YOU'RE REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW.
YOU'D HAVE TO PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF THIS, OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAYS TO IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY IN THE AREA? UM, I MEAN THAT'S, I THINK I JUST WANNA, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SOME PARKING LOTS IN FRONT OF THE OLD WALMART PROPERTY AND THIS SEEMS LIKE AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU COULD PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO, THERE'S NOT A LOT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OUT ON JOHN MICHAEL WAY OUT ON PARKER ROAD WITH THE BUILD UP OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT PERHAPS SOME SIDEWALKS, PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER.
MAYBE THIS MAY BE AN INSTANCE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIDEWALK ALONG BIG TREE.
YEAH, WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALONG BIG TREE.
I, I STILL HAVE MY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT PARTICULARLY STORM WATER AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WANTING TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE TWO DIFFERENT STAGES AND TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES LOOKING AT THE REVIEW.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO, AND THIS ONE'S NOT EVEN ZONED YET.
I I I THINK I'D LIKE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW WE LOOK AT THEM.
YOU KNOW, THO THOSE ARE THE, THE TRACK, THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND STORM WATER, I THINK ARE THE TWO BIGGEST ONES AS FAR AS IS WHAT COULD, COULD IMPACT EACH OTHER.
SO HOW DO WE CONSIDER BOTH OF THOSE IMPACTS? I'M JUST AFRAID THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE BOTH ADVOCATES HERE THAT THE TOWN BOARD GOES AND MAKES A DECISION OF THE REZONING ISSUES, THE SECRET AG DECK, THEN IT COMES BACK TO US AND WE'RE THE LEAD AGENCY ON MR. VANKO AND WE'RE MAKING HIM DO ALL LOOK AT ALL THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS NOW THAT WE HAVE AN APPROVED REZONING THERE.
SO IS THERE A WAY WE CAN SHARE THIS AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE LOOK AT THIS OVERALL INSTEAD OF PUTTING ALL, OR DO WE GO THE OTHER ROUTE WHERE MR. WETZELS GOTTA DO ALL THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DO YOU SHARE THIS AND SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE? SECRET LAW SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN ACTION, YOU CONSIDER OTHER ACTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY.
IF YOU'RE DOING AN EIS YOU'RE DOING CUMULATIVE IMPACTS.
BUT THERE IS A WAY TO TRY TO CONSIDER WITHOUT DOING AN EISI KNOW BOTH APPLICANTS DON'T WANNA DO AN EIS BUT THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NOT PUTTING ALL THE, ALL THE, ALL THE WORK ON ONE APPLICANT THAT THEY SHARE THE IDEA OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THIS AND CAN WE DO THINGS BETTER IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I'M BRINGING UP.
I I'M LOOKING FOR A CREATIVE WAY BILL TO TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT GOING AND SAYING, HEY, DO AN IMPACT STATEMENT AND LET'S DO IT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
BUT IS THERE A WAY WE CAN SAY AND NOT PUT, PUT IT ON ONE OR THE OTHER TWO ITEMS THAT ARE WELL, YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WATER ULTIMATELY IS GONNA END UP IN THE SAME WATERSHED.
I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR BECAUSE OF THEY'RE SEPARATE PROJECT SPONSORS, EACH PARTICULAR PROJECT SPONSOR IS GONNA HAVE TO DESIGN AND PROVIDE ON THEIR PARTICULAR SITE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT COMPLIES WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS.
AND CAMMY I THINK WOULD AGREE SHE'S GONNA LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AND MAKE SURE BOTH COMPLY MEANING WELL.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WHERE, AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED AND WHERE THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT AFFECT KIND OF THE UNDERSTANDING DECISION MAKING
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HERE.BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMP THAT WERE PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO THE NEXT PROJECT.
AND HOW THAT APPLIES IF IT'S IN HERE.
BUT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING THAT UP NOW AND BECAUSE THAT FALLS UNDER THE NEXT AGENDA.
WELL, EXCEPT, EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT IT YOU THESE THINGS HOLISTICALLY.
I MEAN, WELL TECHNICALLY THE OTHER CLIENT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US AND IT'S NOT FAIR FOR ME TO ENSURE THAT THOSE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET TO THEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO I, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED A BETTER WAY TO DEAL WITH HERE.
AND THIS IS, IF YOU SITUATION, PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY TIME WOULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CONFIRMATION ADVISORY BOARD AND OTHERS TO WANT TO LOOK AT SOME THINGS MORE CUMULATIVELY AND COMP AND COMPREHENSIVELY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE THOUGHTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REPORT.
SO, SO TO BE BETTER AND WE'RE SOUND IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW IS HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND IF YOU'VE GOT SOME SUGGESTIONS, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO 'EM.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, UH, IF, IF SARAH OR DREW HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? RIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS.
I THINK YOU'D AGREE THERE'S SOME IMPACTS IN BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER TOGETHER.
BUT THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS HOW DO WE DO THAT? I MEAN, ONE OF THE SIMPLE ISSUES IS TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TRAFFIC COMING OUT AND MAKING A RIGHT HERE OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING A RIGHT ON PARKER, YOU'RE ALL DE TRAFFIC FROM THE PARKER SUBDIVISION IS GONNA GO ON PARKER.
SO ARE THERE CUMULATIVE ISSUES FOR THAT INDIVIDUALLY? THEY NOT, MAY NOT MAKE A PROBLEM, BUT, WELL, SO I THINK FROM A LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT, BILL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS NOT FOR THE ISSUES, BUT HOW DO WE MECHANICALLY HANDLE THIS? RIGHT.
THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO START THERE.
SO THE SITUATION IS, IS THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS AHEAD OF US AND THEY'RE THE LEAD AGENCY ON ZONING AND THEY ARE AHEAD OF US IN THE PROCESS.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS AHEAD OF THE OTHER PROJECT.
THE TWO PROJECTS ARE IN A DIFFERENT SPACE, RIGHT.
ONE PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY.
THE SECOND PROJECT, BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION PROPERTY OWNED, YOU ARE THE LEAD AGENCY.
SO WELL THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR, THEIR PATHWAYS POTENTIALLY IN PARALLEL, BUT WE NEED TO TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT, THE TOWN BOARD AND GET THEM ON BOARD WITH ANYTHING WE'D WANNA RECOMMEND BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEIR LEAD AGENCY LETTER HAS GONE OUT AND COME BACK AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR STATUS IS ON THE NEXT WELL RIGHT.
BUT, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SUGGEST A PROCESS TO THEM UNLESS WE HAVE A PROCESS TO SUGGEST.
SO WE CAN'T SAY, HEY, WE THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT THIS WAY UNLESS WE KNOW WHICH WAY IT SHOULD BE.
WE THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
SO, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM, BUT WE DO SEEKER A LOT MORE OFTEN THAN THEY DO.
AND PERHAPS IN, IN HINDSIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE PERHAPS SUGGESTED THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE LEAD AGENCY, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO GOING FORWARD, PERHAPS WE NEED TO GO FOR SEND THEM A LETTER REQUESTING THAT WE COORDINATE TOGETHER ON THESE AND PREPARE.
BUT IN, IN THAT LETTER WE SHOULD SAY HOW WE THINK TO DO THAT.
CAN WE DO A COMBINED PART TWO AND THREE? I'M ASKING THROUGH IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A, A PART TWO AND THREE ON JOINT ISSUES TO EITHER HAVE AN ADDENDUM OR ATTACHMENT LOOKING COMPREHENSIVELY AT BOTH PROJECTS AS ATTACHMENT TO THE PART TWO AND THE PART THREE? OR IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO A JOINT PART TWO AND PART THREE? I THINK THAT SEAN IS PROBABLY WOULD RATHER HAVE PART TWO AND THREE SEPARATE, BUT PERHAPS WE COULD DO A SEPARATE CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS THAT GETS ADDENDED TO BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT LOOKS AT CUMULATIVE ISSUES.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT IN TWO WEEKS.
I'VE DONE PROJECTS WHERE THE LEAD AGENCY'S THE SAME FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
I HAVE NOT DONE ONE WHERE THE LEAD AGENCY IS DIFFERENT ON TWO PROJECTS TO JOINING EACH OTHER OR WHATEVER.
AND HOW DO YOU COMBINE THOSE WITHOUT DOING THE SIM? LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF TIMES YOU DO A COMBINED EIS BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE LOOK AT THIS.
IT WILL AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.
THE, THE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN AN AREA THAT PRESENTLY IS A VACANT OLD FARM FIELD AND A AND A STAND OF WOODS.
BASICALLY AN OLD OLDER STAND OF WOODS.
WE ARE CHANGING THIS AREA BY, BY DOING THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THERE, THIS IS GOING TO BE, THERE'S GONNA BE NO MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THESE TWO BROAD PROPERTIES.
IT'S GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE BILLED OUT.
SARAH IS BIG TREE ROAD, IS THAT A STATE? COUNTY ROAD? TOWN ROAD.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS IN ISOLATION
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MAY NOT HAVE A HUGE TRAFFIC IMPACT, BUT TOGETHER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACT.YEAH, D-O-D-O-T WAS PROVIDED WITH INVOL WITH THE LEAD AGENCY.
SO SOLICIT CITATION LETTER ON BOTH PROJECTS.
I DID SPEAK TO EDWARD RUSKI FROM DOTA COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND WHILE I DON'T THINK HE PROVIDED ANYTHING TO YOU IN WRITING, SARAH, HE SAID, AGAIN, THIS WAS BASED ON A PHONE CONVERSATION.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR CONCERNS ABOUT THESE TWO PROJECTS.
UH, I I MEAN I WOULD GO BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION IS IS, IS IT, CAN WE DENT THINGS DREW, I MEAN, AND I GUESS SEAN, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, A CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS COVERING BOTH PROJECTS FOR CERTAIN ISSUES TO BOTH DOCUMENTS AND PURSUE THAT IN PARALLEL OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS THAT WOULD THEN BACK UP WHATEVER THE SECRET DECISION IS ON BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
BUT WHO WOULD ULTIMATELY ISSUE, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS THEN WHO ULTIMATELY WOULD ISSUE THAT DOCUMENT THIS BOARD OR THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LEAD AGENCIES, RIGHT? UM, I THINK WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT, AND I THINK SEAN, YOU ALLUDED TO IT, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT ARE CUMULATIVE IN NATURE, RIGHT? IF WE CAN RANK A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD TO SAY, HEY, IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE WETZEL REZONING, MAKE SURE YOU CONSIDER IN YOUR SECRET DECISION THESE CUMULATIVE ISSUES ON THESE ISSUES.
AND THEN IF THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION, SAY IT'S A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WE CAN THEN ALSO CONSIDER THOSE CUMULATIVE ISSUES AND THE ADDITIONAL ISSUES OF THE THE PARKER ONE BY BY ITSELF.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE, SO TO MOVE US FORWARD ON THIS, WHAT I WOULD ASK, AND AGAIN, I I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED, SORRY TO MAKE A DECISION TALK ABOUT, I THINK IT'S GONNA HOLD 'EM UP BECAUSE THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING IS, IS AFTER THE NEXT, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO GET WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE ALL THE, THE COMMENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
HERE'S A QUESTION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS.
THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THEY COORDINATE THIS ISSUE WITH YOU AS AN INVOLVED AGENCY ON WEZEL.
HERE'S OUR CONCERN THAT YOU LOOK CUMULATIVELY AT THESE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO USURP AND SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND IN WHEN WE GET TO PARKER ROAD.
SO WE'D RATHER DO IT TOGETHER.
I'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEYS AND JENNIFER ON THAT.
SO LET'S FIRST PROVIDE, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE CUMULATIVE ISSUES.
I MEAN, SO DREW, CAN I ASK A MECHANICAL QUESTION HERE? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THE TOWN WE'RE PURSUING OUR PATHS IN PARALLEL, WHICHEVER AGENCY GETS THERE FIRST WOULD DO THE CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS, RIGHT? AND THEN I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE IS THERE A WAY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD OR SOME SUBSET OF IT AND CAN WORK WITH WHOEVER'S DOING THE ANALYSIS FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANALYSES MATCH.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE TOWN DOES SEEKER.
ARE THEY GONNA BE THEMSELVES IF WE HAD IT TO START OVER AGAIN, WE WOULD'VE ASKED THE, THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE THE AGENCY ON THE REZONING.
UM, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT WAY.
BUT LET ME TRY TO RESOLVE, LET'S, LET'S FIND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
I MEAN WE DO ALL THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT ARE CUMULATIVE IN NATURE? SO WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE ISSUES WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH ON BOTH PROJECTS.
WE AGREE THAT TRAFFIC, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH, I DON'T HAVE THE THING IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, STORMWATER, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL, BUT STORMWATER WILL BASICALLY SAY OKAY, THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY DOING PLANS THAT ARE GONNA MEET THE, WHAT THEY DO KIND OF HAVE.
RIGHT? MAKE KOS, THERE'S MAKOS WOULD AFFECT WETZELS MORE THAN WES WOULD AFFECT MAKO, THE WATER GOES.
UM, WHAT OTHER ISSUES, AGAIN, I I DIDN'T PREPARE THAT, BUT WHAT OTHER ISSUES YOU SO, SO I GUESS COMMUNITY SERVICES, SCHOOL DISTRICT CAPACITY, FIRE, EMERGENCY MEDICAL.
I GUESS THE QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'S CUMULATIVELY WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S CAPACITY.
UH, I'M JUST, I PULLED UP THE EAF FORM.
I'M JUST WALKING THROUGH IT IN ORDER.
UM, OH, THE COMBINED CAPACITY FOR WATER EXTENSION, WATER SEWER CAPACITY WOULD BOTH, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, BOTH ARE GONNA BE DISCHARGING TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALREADY AN ANALYZED TOGETHER.
UM, BOTH DISCHARGE AND CONSUMPTION INCLUDED, RIGHT? DISPOSITION.
JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WHEN CHRIS DID THE DOWNSTREAM SANITARY CO SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROJECT, THE WETZEL PROJECT, HE INCLUDED THE NUMBERS FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT, THAT IS A CUMULATIVE IMPACT.
AT THE TIME WE DID THE SUBDIVISION, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
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THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED WITH A CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS ALREADY.THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT CUMULATIVELY.
AND SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, I MEAN, SO THAT INFORMATION'S ALREADY BEING PROVIDED.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE TWO, UM, SCROLLING DOWN, BOTH ON THE SOUPING ARE GONNA HAVE DOWNCAST LIGHTING AND THINGS.
SO OUTDOOR LIGHTING SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.
UM, I I WOULD GO BACK TO SPRAYING YARD SPRAYING.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD THAT'S BEEN RAISED MULTIPLE TIMES.
UM, THERE'S NO TRASH SERVICE HERE.
SO CAN I THROW OUT, LET ME THROW OUT ONE OTHER IDEA.
ALRIGHT, WHEN'S THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING? MONDAY TOWN BOARD MEETING IS COMING MONDAY NIGHT.
IT'S ACTUALLY JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING? NEXT MEETING IS, IS IT BEFORE THE MARCH MEETING OF THIS BOARD? YES.
'CAUSE THE OTHER IDEA I WAS THINKING IS, IS TOO LATE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY.
DREW? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? TOO LATE? CAN'T IT BE DONE UNDER SUSPENSION OF RULES WITH UM, THEY MIGHT LET ME DO SOMETHING FIRST THING TOMORROW.
HERES, HERE'S, HERE'S LET, SO LEMME THROW, WELL LEMME THROW OUT THE IDEA.
THE IDEA BOARD'S ALREADY GONNA BE AT THAT WORK SESSION, RIGHT? THE IDEA, THE IDEA WOULD BE THIS.
SO WHAT IT SEEMS IS APPARENT BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LEAD AGENCIES THAT'S SEEMING TO ADD THE MORE COMPLEXITY, RIGHT? I THINK THIS BOARD, I'M NOT INSULTING THE TOWN BOARD WHATSOEVER, UM, IS HANDLES A LITTLE BIT MORE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS IN THE TOWN BOARD.
AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU REVIEW EVERY SITE PLAN, EVERY SUBDIVISION, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THIS BOARD TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ASKING FOR LEAD AGENCY STATUS IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETZEL PROJECT? BY DOING SO, NOW BOTH PROJECTS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT DOES REQUIRE ULTIMATELY A DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL FROM YOU IN THE, IN THE, UH, CONTEXT OF SITE PLAN.
AND THEN COULD YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY STILL RESERVE YOUR SEEKER RECOMMENDATION OR ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING? BECAUSE BY DOING THAT, THE TOWN BOARD CAN THEN AT LEAST PROCEED AND SCHEDULE THE HEARING BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DO GET DELAYED BECAUSE AS SARAH KNOWS, THE FIRST STEP IS THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTS A RESOLUTION TO SCHEDULE A HEARING ON A FUTURE DATE.
WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THE QUESTION IS THAT DOES THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING, RIGHT? DO WE LIKE WE DEFINITELY WANNA PUT IN THE CONDITIONS THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED.
THAT'S A DEFINITIVE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE WANT OFFER FOR POTENTIAL REZONING CONDITIONS? OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA RESOLVE THE, THE SEEKER ISSUE.
IF SARAH CAN GET SOMETHING, A RESOLUTION ON, OR JUST AN AGENDA ITEM BASICALLY TO DISCUSS THE WETZEL REZONING BECAUSE THEY, THEY COULD EVEN TAKE ACTION.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD NOT ASSUME LEAD AGENCY AND BASICALLY SAY IF THEY WERE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW ACQUIESCE TO THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTING TO BE LEAD AGENCY, RIGHT? I MEAN WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANTED TO.
AND BASICALLY THE TOWN BOARD COULD SAY, OH, NOPE, WE'LL LET THE PLANNING BOARD BE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS.
BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD MAY SAY, NO, WE'RE FINE WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA ACT ON THIS.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT TO CIRCUMVENT THIS BOARD OUT OF THE PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW.
BUT SO WE'RE ALL GONNA BE AT THE WORK SESSION AT FIVE 30 ON MONDAY.
SO SARAH WILL GET SOMETHING ON.
SO IT'LL BE AN ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION AND POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS AN ITEM, I DON'T WANNA PUT PRE-FILE RESOLUTION YET ON THE WHOLE LEAD AGENCY THING.
I CAN ONLY, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT YOU CAN BE ON THE, UH, WORK SESSION.
THAT'S UP TO THE, UM, SUPERVISOR, RIGHT? HE LOOKS AT HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS? AM I TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST SOLUTION GOING FORWARD FOR EVERYONE? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE, AS A MATTER OF FACT IS JUST TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
BUT IF ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE SOME LOOK AT SOME OF THE IMPACTS, RIGHT? I MEAN IF, IF THE TOWN BOARD CHANGE AND INSTEAD WE SHOULD BE LEAD AGENCY ON IT, THEN WE CAN DO CAITLYN'S SUGGESTION OF A COMBINED PART TWO AND THREE OF THE EIS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD SIMPLIFY THE LOGISTICS OF IT.
UM, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO GO ON A RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THOSE THAT INFORMA THE INFORMATION FROM EIS? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, I MEAN I I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION IF WE GET IT ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? TO JUST SAY TO THE TOWN BOARD, LISTEN, THESE PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
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SCRUTINY PUBLIC ON BOTH PROJECTS.WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ANALYSIS ON BOTH PROJECTS IS ROBUST AND THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A DEMAND ON COMMUNITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER, TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA ON BOTH PROJECTS.
AND WE DON'T WANNA UNDULY BURDEN ONE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, ONE APPLICANT OVER ANOTHER.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT US TAKING, YOU KNOW, BECOMING LEAD AGENCY FOR BOTH? OR DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION? I MEAN ASKING YEAH.
HOW, I MEAN, SO, SO I GUESS HOW ABOUT WE DO THAT? DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY DIFFERENT IDEAS ON HOW WE SHOULD RESOLVE THAT? I, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK ASKING THEM IF, IF THEY WANT US TO TAKE A LEAD AGENCY ON BOTH SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO A REVIEW OF BOTH IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO, BILL.
ALSO, IF WE'RE GONNA BE WITH THEM AT FIVE 30 ANYWAYS, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET A GOOD CHUNK OF TIME.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ASK FOR 10 MINUTES OF THAT TIME TO BE TALK ABOUT, THIS ONE'S ALREADY GONNA BE IN FRONT, BUT I CAN TALK TO THE SUPERVISOR TOMORROW.
BUT I, BUT I ALSO KNOW WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE VERY OFTEN AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, RIGHT? SO, SO THERE'S THAT.
WELL YOU MAY SAY, RIGHT? SO I, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE 10 MINUTES WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
WE JUST SAY THIS IS AN IDEA WE HAVE AND IF THEY COMPLETELY SHOOT IT DOWN, THEN WE THINK OF ANOTHER ONE.
IF THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S GOOD, THEN WE PUT TOGETHER A LETTER FORMALLY REQUESTING IT.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION IS THEN COULD WE SIMULTANEOUSLY, IF THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE, 'CAUSE WE DID DO WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION LIMITED TO THE REZONING ONLY, JUST SO THAT IT WOULD ALLOW THE TOWN BOARD, WHETHER IT'S MONDAY OR AT ITS NEXT MEETING, AT LEAST TO SCHEDULE THE HEARING.
SO THE REZONING PROCESS IS MOVING ALONG.
MEMBER, ULTIMATELY IF THE TOWN BOARD AGREES THAT YOU'LL BE THE LEAD AGENCY, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STATUTORILY ISSUE A DECISION ON THAT REZONING TILL YOU'VE RUN A DETERMINATION ON SEEKER.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE TOWN BOARD, THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF INITIAL PENDING SEEKER, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF OR NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH A HEARING, SCHEDULING OF A HEARING.
SCHEDULING A HEARING, RECOGNIZING THE DECISION COULD BE MADE UNTIL THE SEC YOU KNOW, THE SECRET PROCESS CONCLUDES AND PROVIDING, I MEAN, HOW DO WE WRAP IN OUR SUGGESTION ABOUT THE SECRET PROCESS INTO WHATEVER OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO THE TOWN BOARD? WELL, I GUESS THAT, THAT, THAT I, I THINK WE START WITH A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE SEEKER PROCESS AND THEN AS PART OF THAT, SAY PRETTY MUCH WHAT SEAN JUST ASKED FOR, UM, IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING ON THE TIMELINE THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING MAKE YEAH.
MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING SUBJECT TO IT SO THEY CAN START THEIR PROCESS.
AND THEN AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE LEAD AGENCY IS, AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD ULTIMATELY END UP THIS BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD THEN CANNOT ISSUE A DECISION ON THE REZONING TILL THERE'S A SECRET DETERMINATION IN FRONT OF IT.
AND I, AND I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT RESOLUTION.
WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE BASICALLY WHAT WE WANT IS THE TOWN BOARD LOOK, WE, WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF RECOMMENDATION, POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING.
WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE OF IF WE'RE GONNA BE THE SECRET LEAD AGENCY OR IF WE GOTTA GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO ON THE, ON THAT.
I CAN PROPERLY WORD A RESOLUTION THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING, LOOK, WE WANT YOU TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.
AND GET YOUR INPUT AS THE TOWN BOARD ON WHAT ARE THE ISSUES HERE.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE USUALLY DO WHERE WE SAY WE THINK YES OR NO TO THE REZONING, WHAT WE'D BE ASKING FOR AT THIS TIME.
MAYBE WE DO SAY YES OR NO TO THE REZONING WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IS THAT THEM TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THE PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL AFTER SEEKERS DECIDED.
SO IF, SO, EVEN IF WE SAID WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YET, BUT WE THINK IT LOOKS GOOD OR WE THINK IT LOOKS BAD AFTER SEEKERS FINISHED, WE CAN REVISE THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE, IT TURNS OUT WE WERE RIGHT IN FIRST PLACE OR WE CHANGED OUR MIND BECAUSE OF A, B, AND C.
AND IF WE CHANGE OUR MIND ANYWAY, WE WOULD SAY IT.
HAD WE, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, NOT THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL AT THAT POINT TOO.
I, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PROCESS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK? I THINK, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN WE USUALLY DO, BUT I I THINK THAT
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IT'S WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH, IT'S UH, IT'S THE WAY TO GO AND, UM, AND IF THE TO BOARD SAYS NO, THEN SUPERVISOR TO SAY NO.SO, SO WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IS THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE TOWN BOARD'S DISCRETION.
AND THEN ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION EITHER FOR, AGAINST, HOPEFULLY IN FOR ON THE REZONING SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS.
SO AT LEAST THEN THE TOWN BOARD CAN PROCEED WITH SCHEDULING THE HEARING.
WE, WE, WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK IT'S THE MOST PRAGMATIC WAY OF ADDRESSING IT.
WHAT WAS THAT? AS LONG AS I SAID I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I, AS LONG AS DREW HAD SOME APPROPRIATE VERBIAGE IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO THE SEEKER REVIEW, YOU KNOW YEAH.
WE'LL HAVE TO, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL HAVE HIM GET US A RESOLUTION AND WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT A FEW DAYS AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN DECIDE IF, IF WE THINK IT IT WORKS AND MAKE COMMENTS ON IT.
UM, SO THAT RESOLUTION WOULDN'T BE UNTIL MARK WOULDN'T BE ISSUED UNTIL MARCH 3RD.
OH, I WAS HOPING TONIGHT WHY WE'D HAVE TO GET THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESOLUTION.
WELL, I MEAN I CAN, THE LANGUAGE IS REAL EASY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS, BUT IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE THAT IN LIGHT OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE MANCO PROJECT ON ADJACENT CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY HAVING SOME COMMON CUMULATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, IS REQUESTING THAT THE TOWN BOARD ALLOW THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY PURSUANT TO SEEKER FOR PURPOSES OF THE COORDINATOR REVIEW OF THE WETZEL PROJECT AND ALSO ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE REQUESTED REZONING SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
WHY DO YOU MAKE THE BIG BOX AND THE SEEKER STUFF REMEMBER THE SECRET STUFF AUTOMATICALLY? AND WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGE ON THE RECORD, I THINK YOUR COMMENT, KATE, ON IS FAIR, BUT A DECISION CAN'T BE MADE ON THE REZONING WITHOUT SEEKER.
SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO OTHERWISE WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE GONNA BE DELAYED A MONTH JUST FOR A RESOLUTION.
BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE TOWN BOARDS.
JUST REMEMBER TOO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN PUT A RESOLUTION IN TOMORROW.
BUT THE DISCUSSION CAN BE HAD WITH THEM EITHER WAY ON MONDAY.
AND I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO KNOW THE PLAYING BOARD'S GOAL WOULD BE TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
SARAH, IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, THEN OKAY, SO BE, BUT AT LEAST IT PRESERVES THE POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN MY, MY PLAN WAS WE'D HAVE A DISCUSSION ON MONDAY AND THEN HAVE THE RESOLUTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, SARAH, WOULD THE TOWN BOARD RES, IF, IF A RESOLUTION WAS FILED FOR MONDAY, WOULD IT BE TO SCHEDULE THE HEARING OR JUST ON THE SEEKER ASPECT OF IT? PROBABLY JUST ON THE SEEKER ASPECT.
I THINK WE NEED A RESOLUTION FOR THE SEEKER ASPECT RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK, I THINK THE, THE TOWN BOARD HEARING AND WE TALK TO 'EM ON THE, THEY CAN CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THEN I GUESS THAT'S THE THING.
COULD, COULD WE, WELL HERE'S ANOTHER THING ON MONDAY IF, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS, THEY SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH THE SIXTH OR FIFTH OR WHENEVER THEIR NEXT MEETING IS.
TECHNICALLY THOUGH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE SCHEDULING A HEARING UNTIL THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE RESOUNDING FROM THIS BOARD PURSUANT TO YOUR CODE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE YOU COULD DO IT ON THE SECOND OR ON THE THIRD.
I'M JUST SAYING IF I CAN'T PUT A TOMORROW, HE'S SAYING THEY CAN'T SCHEDULE IT.
I MEAN IT'S THE CODE PREFACE IT ON A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SPORT.
SO, SO HE'S SAYING THEY CAN'T SCHEDULE IT FOR THE SIXTH I'D THE LAW READ THE LAW.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO REFER TO US.
WE HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A REPORT, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE, THE PARAGRAPHS BEFORE THAT SAY THE TOWN BOARD HAS SOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'VE HAD OTHER TOWNS SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE.
THEY GET THEIR REPORTS FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T SAY THE PLANNING, THE TOWN BOARD CAN'T HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THEY GET IT BASICALLY SAYS THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO.
SO, SO THEY COULD DO THE, SO THEY COULD JUST HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PUBLIC THEY HAVE IN ANTICIPATION OF US MAKING A RESOLUTION ON WE, OKAY.
WE WANTED TO SHOW INFORMATION, WE WANT TO HEAR AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING, GOTTA GET A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ALSO THE LAW, CHRIS COPY THAT, GET INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, GET A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN REVIEWING THIS PROJECT, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT CUMULATIVE ISSUES BECAUSE OF ADJOINING SUBDIVISION.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN, AND WHEREAS WE'VE GOTTEN INPUT THROUGH THE SECRET COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GET FURTHER INPUT ON FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, WE, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING MM-HMM
AND WE RESERVE THE RIGHT THEN TO ISSUE A FINAL REPORT AND POSSIBLY BE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS, ON THIS PRO, ON THIS PRO BOTH PROJECTS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE TO ISSUE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THEY CAN HOLD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING SINCE YOUR CAPACITY AT THIS STAGE OF
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THE REZONING IS JUST ADVISORY.SO I THINK THEY CAN ALRIGHT, I'M OKAY.
JENNIFER, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU WERE THERE.
I WOULD'VE ASKED YOU THE QUESTION
THERE'S NOTHING, SO TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, IF I CAN TOMORROW PUT A RESOLUTION IN FOR MONDAY TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT.
IF I CAN'T ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE'LL ASK THEM TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SIXTH.
AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE THE DISCUSSION DURING THE WORK SESSION ABOUT THE, ON THE SIXTH THEY WOULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BEYOND THAT.
AND THERE WOULD ALSO, WELL I THINK IF WE, BECAUSE OF PUBLICATION THE EIGHTH AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE DISCUSSION ON, AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE THE, OKAY AND THERE WOULD BE DISCUSSION ON MONDAY EVENING WORK SESSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE PLANNING BOARD BEING THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, THAT DISCUSSION GOES WITH THE TOWN BOARD SAYING, WE THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEN ON THE THIRD WE MAKE THAT RESOLUTION.
IF IT'S THE, IF THE TOWN BOARD SAYS, NO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE WANT TO KEEP IT RIGHT.
THEN ON THE THIRD WE TAKE DIFFERENT ACTIONS, WE'RE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT TIMELINE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT, WHEN AND WHY AT THE REQUEST OF THE YEAH, JUST NOT COMMITTING THE TOWN TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
SO OUR SIMPLE REQUEST IS WE'RE ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL TALK TO 'EM MONDAY NIGHT ABOUT THE LEAD AGENCY THING.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RESPONDED OFFICIALLY TO 'EM SAYING YAY OR NAY.
WE'RE GONNA SIT, WE MAY SAY, WE'LL TALK TO 'EM AND SAY, HEY, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO BE LEAD AGENCY? RIGHT.
SO WE CAN CONSIDER BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO REALIZE THOUGH THAT IF I CAN'T PUT A RESOLUTION IN TOMORROW RIGHT.
THE RESOLUTION WON'T GO IN UNTIL THE EIGHTH AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULDN'T BE TILL AFTER.
BUT THERE COULD AT LEAST THEN STILL BE DISCUSSION ON MONDAY ABOUT THE POSS THE SECRET ASPECT.
SO DO SO DO WE NEED A RESOLUTION TONIGHT RECOMMENDING THAT THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULE A HEARING? I THINK WE DO.
THE THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
PLEASE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR US TO FINISH OUR REPORT.
SO I MAKE A RECOMMEND, UH, I'LL MAKE A RESOLUTION WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING OF THE GLEN WETZEL PROJECT.
SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MS. MCCORMICK.
AND I'LL MAKE ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO TABLE GLEN WETZEL TO MARCH AND BILL, CAN YOU AS TO THAT, SO WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL PREPARE, WE'RE NOT GONNA PREPARE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PREPARE RESOLUTION.
WELL, I'M GONNA START TO PREPARE YOUR REPORT FOR YOU BASED UPON, SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD SO YOU CAN HELP TO COMMENT ON DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION? BECAUSE LET'S KEEP, WE WE'RE TRYING TO STRUCTURE THAT REPORT.
I'LL READ THE MEETING MINUTES UNTIL I ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
SO, UH, UH, WE'LL TABLE GLEN WEZEL TO MARCH 3RD.
ALRIGHT, SO WE MADE THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT HARDER THAN IT SHOULD.
IF I READ THE LAW, WE WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION THE WHOLE HERE.
WHAT DID, WHAT DID THE BOARD DO? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
SEAN HOPKINS OF HOPKINS, SERGIO MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
DAVID MANKO, WHO'S ALSO WITH WITH US EVENING AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD MORRIS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 69 LOT SUBDIVISION.
67 OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THERE ARE TWO LOTS THAT WILL BE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PURPOSES.
AS THE BOARD RECALL, THIS SUB PROJECT HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY INVOLVING SOME REITERATIONS OF A CLUSTERING PLAN.
ULTIMATELY, BASED ON THIS BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE NOW SHOWING A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING WITH PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, ONE OF THE FOLLOW-UP ITEMS WE WERE ASKED TO ADDRESS WAS COMMENT SIX CONTAINED IN THE MEMORANDUM OF THE CONSERVATION BOARD ISSUED IN THE THIRD WEEK OF DECEMBER, 2020.
CHRIS DID PREPARE A VERY DETAILED LETTER SUMMARIZING THE MANNER BY WHICH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THE SITE WILL
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COMPLY WITH THE DE'S STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO PROPERLY HANDLE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LETTER, CHRIS, OF COURSE IS HERE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, I THINK WE ARE IN A POSITION NOW.
WE SUBMITTED A COMPLETE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION IN EARLY JANUARY, THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THIS BOARD'S REQUEST TO ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY EXPIRED ON FEBRUARY 11TH.
I BELIEVE THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT WERE ISSUED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS BASICALLY THE IDENTICAL LETTER REFERENCED IN THE WETZEL PROJECT FROM ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING.
AND I BELIEVE SARAH HEARD FROM THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT THAT THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION OR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS PROPOSED.
SO WE THINK WE ARE IN A POSITION ON THIS PROJECT WITH IT BEING SUBJECT TO THE CAVEAT.
THERE IS GONNA BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
WE'RE HOPING YOU'RE IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION, AS IS THE CASE WITH THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WILL AT LEAST GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND COMMENT AND FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ANY INPUT YOU RECEIVED IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR REVIEW OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
I DID, I DID SUBMIT ALL THAT ENVIRONMENTAL.
OH, AND THE OTHER THING IS CHRIS DID PROVIDE SARAH WITH COPIES OF ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION, THE WETLAND DONATION REPORT, A TRAFFIC LETTER PREPARED BY SRF ASSOCIATES, DOWNSTREAM, SANITARY STEWARD, CAPACITY ANALYSIS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
OF COURSE, WE DID SUBMIT A COMPLETED PART, ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH WAS THE BASIS FOR SARAH ISSUING A LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD ON JANUARY 11TH.
ALRIGHT, SO I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE BECAUSE WE, WE HAD THAT RECENT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION PROPOSED ON THIS AREA.
UH, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT ANYBODY IN THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS LIKE WE NEED BEFORE WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING? I HAVE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT AFFECTS THE ABILITY TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M WITH KAILYN AND THAT ONE, I HAVE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD STOP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, LET'S GET TO THOSE QUESTIONS THEN.
WELL, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS, UM, REFERENCING THE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY.
IT SAYS IT NO TOO, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE FUNCTIONING, UM, AND I BELIEVE IT APPEARED TO BE 92% OF WHAT THE CAPACITY WAS.
DID YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE APARTMENT BUILDING AS WELL IN YOUR CALCULATIONS OR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN AS WELL IN YOUR CALCULATIONS? OR IS THIS JUST BASED SOLELY ON THE SUBDIVISION? WELL, THE, THIS DOWNSTREAM SEWER ANALYSIS WAS DONE BEFORE WE KNEW ABOUT THE APARTMENTS.
THE APARTMENT DOWNSTREAM SEWER ANALYSIS DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BOTH THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT.
BASED ON THE SAME MONITORING, SAME NOTES, SAME EVERYTHING.
SO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY IS REVIEWING THE ONE FOR THE WETZEL PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH THE SUBDIVISION AND THE APARTMENTS.
SO CAN I, YOU'LL HAVE A
CAN WE THEN APPLY THAT ANALYSIS AS WELL HERE, OR WHATEVER VERDICT YES.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD, YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT THAT WAY.
WE USED, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION, WE USE THE SAME MONITORING AND THE SAME NOTES, SO IT, IT, IT WILL COMPARE THE SAME, THE SAME THING, ANYTHING.
THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THEN, FOR THIS PROJECT, THE
BUT THE, BUT THE WETZEL DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS NEWER, IS BASED ON BOTH PROJECTS.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE AGREEING WITH CAITLIN THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SANITARY SEWER IMPACTS, DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS PER THE DC REQUIREMENTS SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT THE WETZEL DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
AND, AND IN THAT ANALYSIS, AGAIN, THERE WAS NO PROBLEMS AT ANY OF THE NODES DURING WE WEATHER CONDITIONS DURING WE WEATHER CONDITIONS WHEN WE DID APPLY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH PROJECTS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS FOR REVIEW AND WHEN WE EXPECT THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE YOU THEIR I CAN, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH 'EM, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH 'EM TOMORROW.
WE MAY ALREADY HAVE IT AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, BUT I, I CAN FOLLOW UP ON AS LONG.
THEY, THEY DON'T USUALLY TAKE VERY LONG TO REVIEW IT.
WHEN WE GET THE RESULTS FROM THE COUNTY, THEN IT WOULD BREAK
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IT DOWN BY NOTE ONE, NOTE TWO, AND NOTE THREE AS WELL.WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY LOOK AT NOBLE AND TWO AND THREE, RIGHT.
THEY ISSUE ONE, ONE APPROVAL LETTER.
SO FOR THE PROJECT, NOT RIGHT, THEY DO LOOK AT ALL THE NOBLES, BUT THEY ISSUE ONE APPROVAL LETTER.
AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE, UH, THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE GOING OUT IN THE SUBDIVISION, I WAS LOOKING TO ADD TO THE SANITARY, UM, SEWAGE DEMAND CALCULATIONS, AND IT STATED THAT THERE WERE THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
ARE ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS GONNA BE THREE BEDROOM UNITS IN SMALLER? LIKE HOW DID WE GET TO THAT NUMBER? THE, THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS WAS PROVIDED BY THE PROSPECTIVE BUILDER AS TO WHAT MODELS THEY'D BE BUILDING ON THE SITE.
AND THEY WOULD BE THREE BEDROOM UNITS, RIGHT.
SO THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE THREE BEDROOM OR SMALLER UNITS.
THERE IS NOT GONNA BE ANY FOUR BEDROOM UNITS BUILT IN THERE.
AND, AND, AND THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU BUILD THREE BEDROOM HOMES, ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS, A DECENT NUMBER OF THOSE WILL CONSIST OF TWO OCCUPIED BEDROOMS IN A OFFICE OR AN EXERCISE ROOM.
SO ULTIMATELY THE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY OVER PROJECTS SEWER FOR THREE BEDROOM YEARS, REMEMBER TWO ON THE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY.
WE, WE TAKE FOUR TIMES THE AVERAGE, WHICH IS THE PEAK, AND THEN ANOTHER FOUR TIMES THAT, AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY IS BASED ON.
AND, AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO I AND I MITIGATION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S CAPACITY BASED ON THE 16 BASED ON THE 16 TIMES.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, SO I GUESS RELATED TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES, IS THERE A SIMILAR ANALYSIS THAT'S DONE FOR, UH, DRINKING POTABLE WATER WITHDRAWALS THAT THERE IS FOR THIS SEWER, FOR THE WATER INTERCONNECTIONS WITH THE
WHICH GIVES YOU THE STATIC AND RESIDUAL PRESSURE AND THEN THE AVAILABLE FLOW.
AND WHAT WE DO IS WE APPLY TO THAT THE AVERAGE WATER DEMAND PLUS THE FIRE FLOW REQUIREMENTS AND SEE WHAT THE RE RESIDUAL PRESSURE IS.
IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST 20 POUNDS.
SO I, I GUESS THERE IS AN ANALYSIS OF THAT TYPE AND, UM, THAT HAS TO BE SUSPENDED IN NOT ONLY THE WATER AUTHORITY, BUT ALSO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHEN WE GET OUR, UH, PUBLIC MAIN EXTENSION APPROVALS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR US? YEAH.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE IN THE ENGINEERING RELATIVE FOR THIS PRO, I GUESS.
AND WOULD THAT ANALYSIS TAKE INTO EFFECT THE OTHER PROJECTS IN WHICH THE SEWER PROJECTS? YOU MEAN THE APARTMENT? NO, IT, I MEAN THAT THAT WOULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL ONE BECAUSE THAT'S TYING INTO A PARTICULAR WATER MAIN.
BECAUSE WATER, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU KNOW, WA WATER FLOWS BOTH DIRECTIONS IN A PIPE.
SO, SO, SO ARE THERE DIFFERENT MAINS FOR THOSE TWO? UM, YEAH.
1, 1, 1 MAIN IS ON BIG TREE AND THE OTHER ONE'S ON PARKER ROAD.
PARKER ROAD, ONE'S TIED INTO BIG TREE, BUT IT'S ALSO TIED IN OTHER PLACES TO THE SOUTH.
AND SAME WITH BIG, BIG TREE'S TIED IN, YOU KNOW, ON EAST AND WEST AND OTHER, OTHER SPOTS.
BUT THE HYDRO FLOW TEST IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL TIME TEST.
SO THAT'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR, FOR WELL AND PRESSURE.
BUT I THINK CAITLIN'S WONDERING, IS THAT DATA GONNA REPRESENT BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS GOING IN AT THE SAME TIME? THAT THAT'S NOT HOW, THAT'S NOT HOW IT DONE.
I GUESS IT, IT'D BE HARD TO MODEL WHAT THE EFFECTS ON THE APARTMENTS ARE BY, BY THE SUBDIVISION, WHAT THE EFFECTS ON THE BIG TREE, YOU KNOW, ROAD BEING WOULD BE, IT'S NOT AS, IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS A, A FLOW IN A PIPE BECAUSE THE WHOLE WATER SITS IN THE DYNAMIC AND WATER'S PRESSURE'S CHANGING CONTINUOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT, WHAT THEY PUMP IT AT AND UH, THE DIRECTION THE WATERS ARE FLOWING IN THE WATER SYSTEM.
WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK WITH THE WATER AUTHORITY.
WE DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM 'EM ON THE COORDINATOR REVIEW, BUT WE'LL CHECK WITH 'EM.
THEY HAVE A MODEL OF THEIR SYSTEM.
THEY'LL, THEY CAN RUN TWO POINT POINT FLOWS AND TELL YOU WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THIS PROJECT IF IT'S GONNA RIGHT.
FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE WE PROJECT, WE HAVE TO GET OUR BACKFLOW APPROVAL, WHICH, WHICH DOES THE SAME TYPE OF ANALYSIS AS THE SUBDIVISION DOES, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT GIVEN THAT THAT'S PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS IS PUBLIC, BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE WATER CAPACITY FOR BOTH PROJECTS, FOR DOMESTIC USE, AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR FIREFIGHTING FIRE, FIRE FLOW.
IF, IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR, WE DON'T GET APPROVED BY REMEMBER WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE KIND OF THE PRESSURES IN THIS AREA.
THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE IN EIGHTIES.
SO A COUPLE OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
I SAW YOU DID THE PHASE ONE, I'M
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ASSUMING THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO O-P-R-H-P.DID THEY ISSUE A CONCURRENCE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THAT? YEAH.
AND CAN YOU PROVIDE IT, THE CLEARANCE LETTER WAS IN THAT SHARE FILE FOLDER.
IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AF I SUBMITTED ON JANUARY 11TH AS WELL.
FILES THAT DATE, THAT LETTER IS DATED OCTOBER 9TH, 2020 FROM JOSLYN FERGUSON OF THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS RECREATION HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND IT IS A CLEAN NO IMPACT LETTER.
SARAH, I'LL WORK WITH YOU BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ATTACHED TO THE VERSION I'M LOOKING AT, BUT AS LONG AS YOU, SARAH HAS IT, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEP, YEP.
UM, WE HAVE THE WETLANDS DELINEATION REPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE NOT IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS.
WE WE'RE IMPACTING 0.0 6 3 0 6 3, NOT 0.0, BUT, BUT THE WETLAND DONATION INDICATES THAT THAT'S NON-JURISDICTIONAL.
YOU BELIEVE IT'S NOT JURISDICTION.
OH, THEY'RE BACKED UP FOR YEAH, THEY'RE CRAZY LONG.
THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG, SO ULTIMATELY IT'S SIX ONE HUNDREDS OF AN ACRE.
IF WE NEED THE PERMIT, WE NEED THE PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN 10TH OF AN ACRE.
NO MITIGATION IS, IS REQUIRED.
AND IN FACT, WHAT'S BEEN HAP WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR US ON PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE LESS THAN A 10TH OF AN ACRE, IF THEY DON'T ISSUE A DECISION WITHIN 45 DAYS TO DEFAULT APPROVAL AND THEY'VE LITERALLY JUST BEEN LETTING THOSE BECOME DEFAULT APPROVALS, YOU RESOLVED THAT EARLY ON ISSUE OR REMEMBER, I'M SORRY YOU OUT THAT EARLIER ON ISSUE WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING NO DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THAT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL AT THE FRONT SIDE AND THAT LIGHT AND THE ZONING BOUNDARY IS SHOWN ON OUR PLAN.
C3 FOLLOWS THE CENTER LINE, THE CREEK.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO CROSS THE CREEK IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT.
IT'S NOT SHOWN AC REALLY ACCURATELY ON THE, ON THE ZONING.
UM, THEN THERE WAS THE ISSUES AS CAITLIN BROUGHT UP, THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP BY THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE PRESERVATION OF TREES ON THE SITE AND WHATEVER.
AND I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THAT KIND OF GOES, I KNOW IN THE CUSTARD DEVELOPMENT YOU WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, 40 50% GREEN SPACE IN A REGULAR SUBDIVISION, YOU STILL HAVE TO OFFER A PERCENTAGE OF LAND AS RECREATION, PASSIVE DIRECTIVE RECREATION.
UNLESS THE PLANNING BOARD SAYS WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WE CAN TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PASSIVE RECREATION ON THIS SITE OR IS THE TOWN JUST GONNA TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS ALLOT RECREATION FEE THAT THEY CHARGE.
SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING 'CAUSE YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT COULD BE A WAY TO INCORPORATE IF THERE ARE SOME, I REALIZE MOST OF THIS SITE IS A VACANT FIELD, RIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, OF VEGETATION ON IT.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE GONNA FIND AND COULD THAT GO INTO THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A CONNECTED TRAIL AND WHATEVER BETWEEN AND CONNECTING TO OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO THAT GOES WITH THE SNOW TRAIL, ET CETERA.
SO THAT ISSUE IS STILL NOT DEAD.
WE DON'T HAVE THE 40, 50% MARINE SPACE REQUIREMENT WE DID ON CUSTER, BUT ON A REGULAR SUBDIVISION WE DO HAVE THAT ISSUE OF A PERCENTAGE OF THE LAND BEING OFFERED OR USED FOR PASSIVE AND RECREATION OR TAKING MONEY IN LIEU OF.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE OF LATE THE TOWN BOARD NOT LOOKING FOR ACTIVE RECREATION.
THE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE TOWN WE'VE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT.
AND MAINTAIN IT AND DEVELOP IT.
SO QUESTION ABOUT THE STORM WATER.
THE LETTER THAT, UM, CHRIS PUT TOGETHER.
WHEN YOU ARE PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR SWIFT AND THE, THE STORM WATER PLAN AND DOING THE CALCULATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM
AND MANAGEMENT OF THE SITE, ARE THE CALCULATIONS AND POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE AREAS, INCLUDING THE FOOTPRINTS AND DRIVEWAYS FOR ALL THE HOMES? OR IS IT ASSUMING A SPECIFIC LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME? I GUESS HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT DONE WITH THE GENERAL PERMIT? I'M ASSUMING THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME DOESN'T REQUIRE THE, I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T EXPLAIN INDIVIDUAL HOME BE WAIVED FROM REQUIREMENTS AND ONLY IN THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THE, THE SPEEDIES PERMIT IS IN PLACE UNTIL THE FINAL LOT IS BUILT ON.
AND STABILIZED SLIP INSPECTIONS COULD BE GOING ON IN THIS, ON THIS SITE FOR YEARS.
UM, THE, THE CALCULATIONS INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE ROAD, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE ROAD 'CAUSE IT'S A DEFINED LIMIT.
WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS TAKE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE FOR EACH LOT RIGHT.
IN OUR ONE BASED ON SETBACKS AND BASICALLY RIGHT.
WE USUALLY TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT AREA AS IMPERVIOUS THAT THAT'D BE THE WORST CASE FOR EACH LOT.
AND THEN ADD, ADD TO IT, THE, UH, THE ROAD IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO THE CALCULATIONS WOULD INCLUDE WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING SHOULD
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LOTS.SO, UH, SO THE DRIVEWAY COUNTS AS PART OF THE LOT COVERAGE? NO, THE, THE LOCK COVERAGE IS THE HOUSE, BUT WE ALSO ADD IN 14 FEET TIMES WHATEVER, 80 OR 40 FEET FOR THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL AND PURPOSE AREA ON THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT OF A HOME BA AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAYS.
BECAUSE THEN AND LOT COVERAGE INCLUDES PORCHES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST THE INHABITABLE AREA.
SO DOES THAT, THAT THEN DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PEOPLE WITHIN THE YEAR OR TWO AFTER MOVING IN BUILDING PATIOS AND IT DOES, WELL NO, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE PATIOS, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE A SHED.
IT WOULD INCLUDE ANY, ANY, ANY SHED OR ANY COVERED PATIO WOULD COUNT TOWARDS YOUR, YOUR LOCK COVERAGE.
AND IT'S ALSO, IT'S ALSO RARE IN HAMBURG AND ELSEWHERE EXCEPT FOR ORCHARD PARK BECAUSE THE LOCK COVERAGE REQUIREMENT MAXIMUM IS SO LOW, LIKE 10, 11%.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, NO ONE IS GONNA BUILD OUT TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED FOOTPRINT OF THAT PARTICULAR LOT.
WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED FOOTPRINT, CHRIS? THE LOT COVERAGE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT LIKE GO PARK I KNOW IS LIKE 14% AND HAMBURG I BELIEVE IS HIGHER.
IT IS HIGHER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT MAXIMUM ALLOW IS WHAT WE USED TO MAKE YOUR CALCULATIONS OF THE IMPER SURFACE.
AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL CLARIFY WHAT NUMBER WAS USED.
WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BY THE WAY, ON THE STORM WATER ISSUES.
YOU HAVE YOUR TOWN ENGINEER HERE, SHE'S GONNA BE REVIEWING THAT AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON WHAT SHE SEES THAT THIS WILL ACCOMPLISH ALL THE TOWN AND STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR STORMWATER.
I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT IN HERE.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF POTENTIAL OR IS THERE A STANDARD NUMBER THAT YOU PROPOSE OF THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL STUDENTS OR DEMAND THAT THERE WOULD BE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE TYPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE DEVELOPMENT? I'M SORRY, WHAT QUESTION? I'M LOOKING WHAT HOW MANY, HOW MANY STUDENTS, MANY POTENTIAL STUDENTS COULD JUST GENERATE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? I MEAN IS THAT, EXCUSE ME.
BASICALLY THIS BEFORE SCHOOLS WE DON'T, WELL WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOLS.
BUT WE DO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOLS AND BASICALLY ASK THEM ABOUT WHEN WE SEND SUBDIVISIONS, WHATEVER.
I MEAN TYPICALLY IN, IN HAMBURG I'M DOING A COMP PLAN.
YOU HAVE ABOUT, I THINK IT IS 1.1 CHILDREN FOR HOUSEHOLD RULE, WHATEVER IS THE AVERAGE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE TOWN.
SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A LOT BETTER, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PAYS A LOT OF MONEY EACH YEAR PROJECTING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY STUDENTS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OR WHATEVER.
WE, WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH THEM.
WE SEND THEM INFORMATION SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND, AND, AND TO DO THOSE PROJECTIONS EACH YEAR ON WHETHER THEY HAVE CAPACITIES WITHIN THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES TO CAPACITIES, BUT WE COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHO PROJECT, IT'S NOT AN EASY SCIENCE TO PROJECT.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING 200 STUDENTS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS UPON THE, THE FLOW OF, OF STUDENTS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
WHAT AGES ARE THEY MAY NOT BE NEW STUDENTS EITHER.
THEY MAY BE EXISTING STUDENTS.
IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED, PEOPLE GET MADE A LOT OF MONEY TO PROJECT WELL.
AND AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE SAID THERE'S GONNA BE 300 NEW STUDENTS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAID THAT'S TOO MANY.
I HAD A MEETING A WHILE AGO WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE ORCHARD PARK SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HE TOLD ME, DO NOT ASK THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IF WE CAN HANDLE THIS NUMBER OF KIDS.
YOU WANNA TELL US HOW MANY ARE COMING? THAT'S FINE.
DON'T ASK US IF WE CAN BY LAW, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HOWEVER MANY KIDS COME IN.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AN ANSWER FROM US.
SO IF YOU WANNA LET US KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
BUT DON'T, DON'T MAKE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HANDLE IT PART OF ANY KIND OF A DECISION.
I'VE HEARD THAT SAME COMMENT IN OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN WESTERN.
RAD? YEAH, THAT'S WHO TOLD ME THAT.
AND SO I REMEMBER LONG TIME AGO HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
HE DID IT AND IT, IT IS A MOOT POINT.
DO YOU KNOW IF SCHOOL DISTRICT IS AFFECTED? 'CAUSE IT IS RIGHT AT THE SPOT WHERE THREE OF 'EM COME TOGETHER.
WHERE PARK ACROSS THIS ONE OUTTA CURIOSITY, SINCE THREE OF THEM COME TOGETHER, IT WAS GONNA SPLIT THE SUBDIVISION.
WHERE'D PARKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARKER? I THINK, YEAH, THERE ARE SOME WEIRD LINES OVER THERE, BUT I THINK THIS IS ALL ONE.
I DON'T, I THINK MINE, SHE WAS IN
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SCHOOL DISTRICT.I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE THERE'S A SUBDIVISION OFF OF PLEASANT THAT ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS TAM.
ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS FRONTIER AND THEN LIKE FOUR HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HAMBURG SIDE ARE ACTUALLY FRONTIER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW.
SO CORRECT SCHOOL, WERE NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS COMING IN IT FRONTIER.
SO CAN WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT TODAY.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON DAVID MANKO FOR MARCH 3RD.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU BACK ON THE THIRD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE THIRD.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 3RD MEETING.
SO MOTION BY MCCORMICK OR SECOND BY CHAIRMAN.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING.
I WILL SEE EVERYBODY ON MONDAY.
HEY TAMMY, ARE YOU IN THE OFFICE?