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SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION TODAY.
WE'VE GOT TWO ITEMS ON FOR THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS SWITZER PRECISION CRAFTED METAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 17,200 OR 17,022 SQUARE FOOT AND 1,159 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 0 2 0.
COME UP IN, IN IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE PROCEDURE TO WORK WITH ALL OF THE, JUST KINDA STAND IN THE MIDDLE THERE AND, OKAY.
TALK TO US, UM, AND TALK GAVIN.
YEAH, IT'S GOOD TO BE IN PERSON THOUGH.
I'M PRINCIPAL AT SCHE ARCHITECTURAL.
WITH ME IS STEVE FROM OUR OFFICE.
WE ALSO HAVE JASON ICK FROM CNS ENGINEERS.
HE WAS, UH, UH, HELPING US OUT WITH THE STORM WATER DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT.
I ALSO HAVE DY SWITZER FROM SWITZER MANUFACTURING.
HE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR THE, FOR THE WORK SESSION HERE.
THIS PROJECT IS REALLY A FACILITY CONSOLIDATION.
YOU KNOW, THIS FACILITY ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD IS ONE OF TWO THAT EXISTS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
THERE ARE OTHER FACILITIES LOCATED IN LA.
THEY'VE MADE THE OPERATIONAL DECISION TO CONSOLIDATE AT THIS FACILITY ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD.
AS YOU STATED, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE WEST, AND A SMALL INFILL ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT THREE ACRES IN TOTAL.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUILT AROUND 1994.
THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, AS WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING HERE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE FORMER RAVENWOOD, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS NO LONGER ZONED M TWO LIKE COMMERCIAL.
SO NO ISSUES WITH THE, WITH THE USE STANDPOINT, NO BUILDING SETBACKS, ISSUES WITH THE ADDITION.
WE DID HAVE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH SARAH DEN AND ALSO ROGER GIBSON, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WE STARTED TO WORK THROUGH THE DESIGN.
NO ISSUES FROM, FROM THEIR STANDPOINT.
SO OTHER THAN THE PHYSICAL ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING, WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE ACCESS AND THE SITE PARKING.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 48 PARKING SPOTS.
WE'RE ADDING ABOUT 33 NEW SPOTS WITH THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE FACILITIES AND THE, UH, ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE.
ABOUT 38,000 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL.
WE'LL HAVE 81 TOTAL PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY IMPROVED FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ON THE EAST AND ON THE WEST, UH, TO MEET SOME OF THE NEW BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY SINCE 1994.
TO THAT POINT, THE NEW BUILDING IN ITS ENTIRETY, INCLUDING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, WILL BE FULLY, UH, PROTECTED WITH THE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM, SPRINKLERS, STORM WATER.
SO WE'VE ANALYZED THE STORM WATER DESIGNED FOR THIS PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LATEST REG UH, REGULATIONS FOR THE NEAR STATE PC WE'RE ADDRESSING BOTH QUANTITY AND QUALITY.
SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
WE HAVE TWO NEW, UH, BIO FILTERS.
ONE AT THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, ONE AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE HERE.
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AGAIN.A NEW BIOFILTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
NEW BIOFILTER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR QUALITY.
AND THEN WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR QUANTITY WITH AN UNDER PAVEMENT STORM TECH CHAMBER TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, THE ONSITE RETENTION.
THE OUTFALLS GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL OUTFALL UP HERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
UH, I UNDERSTAND TOWN ENGINEER IS STILL REVIEWING THE PROJECT.
WE LOOK, SHE'S STILL REVIEWING THE PROJECT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING ANY DETAILED COMMENTS.
UM, WE DID, UH, DELINEATE A SMALL AREA OF WETLAND UP HERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE US I CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JURISDICTIONAL.
OF COURSE, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE US I CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO MAKE THEIR SITE VISIT SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT FINAL DETERMINATION AS A CONTINGENCY.
JUST THINKING ABOUT TIMELINE, THROUGH THE SPRING AND SUMMER HERE, WORKING THROUGH APPROVALS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE APPLIED FOR A NATIONWIDE PERMIT IN CASE WE CAN'T GET THEM TO COME OUT AND MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION IN TIME.
THE DISTURBANCE IS JUST ABOUT 0.1 ACRE, WHICH IS UNDER THE THRESHOLD THERE FOR THE NATIONWIDE PRO.
ULTIMATELY, OUR GOAL IS TO REQUEST RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
ONCE WE CAN GET ON THE PLANNING BOARD AGENDA, HOPEFULLY FOR THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WILL BE OUR, OUR GOAL.
WHAT IS THE BUILDING CURRENTLY USE FOR? CURRENTLY IT'S A MANUFACTURING FACILITY OFFICE OCCUPANCY UP IN THE FRONT, MANUFACTURING IN THE REAR OF THE FACILITY, SMALL METAL PARKS, PHOTO FABRICATION, AND WITH THE ADDITIONS, IS THE USE GONNA CHANGE AT ALL? JUST THE EXPANSION OF THEIR CAPABILITY.
RIGHT NOW, THE FACILITY IN LAP HAS A LOT OF THEIR METAL FABRICATION AND I'M GONNA BRING THAT INTO THIS NEW EDITION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THE PLANNING BOARD? JIM OR, UH, BILL? YES, UH, JIM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, UM, DEAL WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
THE PLAN BOARD IS THE DECISION MAKER IN THIS.
AND I EXPLAINED TO THE APPLICANT THIS, THIS SITE WAS THE SUBJECT OF A GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO IN THE EARLY 1990S.
WE HAD, FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT'S GONE IN THERE SINCE THAT TIME, I HANDED THEM A COPY OF, I SENT IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS A FINDINGS FORM.
UH, WE'VE REVIEWED THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES OR A FEW ISSUES IN THERE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS, AND ANSWERED THAT TONIGHT WAS THEY HAVE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 20% GREEN SPACE AND THE CALCULATION IS 48.8 28%.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO NEED FOR TRUCK COUNTS IF THEY'RE NOT, BUT THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR THE TRAFFIC WAS THERE.
THE OTHER ISSUES RELATED BACK THEN WERE SEWER WATER ISSUES.
BUT NOW THOSE ARE ALL COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THE COUNTY WILL DETERMINE IF YOU NEED TO DO ANYTHING, ET CETERA.
WITH THE, WITH THE SEWER BOARD.
MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THERE'S BEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA SINCE TIME THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE.
SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING BOARD, I SENT IT TO YOU AT THE, AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS FORM AND MAKE SURE THEY CONFORM.
BUT ONE THING, AND I DID GET A CALL ON THIS MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, THIS USED TO BE PART OF A RAVENWOOD NORTH INDUSTRIAL PARK ASSOCIATION AND THERE WERE, UH, DEEP RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS AND WHATEVER THAT DOES NO LONGER ANYMORE.
IT WAS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND EIGHT.
I HAD AN ATTORNEY CALLED ME AND OTHERS ASKED ABOUT THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S REFERRED TO IN THE FINDING STATEMENT IS THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL WORK WITH THE HOPE, THE ASSOCIATION TO BE IN PERFORMANCE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION.
SO TO BE FAIR, WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF PROJECTS WITHIN VILLE NORTH SINCE 1993, OBVIOUSLY.
SO WE'LL JUST USE THIS FORM TO DOCUMENT IN CONFORMANCE, UH, WILL REVIEW THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE THE ISSUE OF THE, OF THE GREEN SPACE WAS THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STORM WORK DESIGNED BACK THEN WEREN'T ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA DO MEET THE NEW REGULATIONS OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, FURTHER FEEDBACK AND THE NEXT MEETING.
SO YOU WANNA BE ON THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? SARAH? HAVE THEY SUBMITTED A COMPLETE SITE PLAN APPLICATION?
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YES.DO WE WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, BILL? UNLESS THE PLANNING BOARD, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
I MEAN, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL USE IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, SO, RIGHT.
AND IT'S AN EXPANSION OF EXISTING USE.
WE NOT BRINGING ANY NEW USES IN THERE, ET CETERA.
PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO ACTION.
AT LEAST WE CAN HEAR FROM ANYBODY THAT MAY HAVE SOME CONCERN.
SO YOU GOT NOTICE? YEAH, WE GOT IT.
YOU CAN GET NOTICE, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE IF WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WELL, YOU PUT IT IN THE PAPER, RIGHT? OH, OF COURSE.
SO, ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SWITZER PRECISION CRAFTED METAL ON APRIL 7TH.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN THREE WEEKS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APOLLO CONCRETE COATINGS REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 6,791 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDING ON VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD, NORTH OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
I'M SURE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND PLANS TO.
WE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
IT IS KIND OF SET UP FOR THIS TYPE OF A, UM, UM, STRUCTURE AND SYSTEM.
HE, UM, MR. BIER WANTS TO, UH, HE DOES THE APOLLO CONCRETE COATING FOR THE GARAGE FLOOR.
SO LIKE THAT HE WANTS TO PUT UP A WAREHOUSE WHERE HE CAN RECEIVE PRODUCT AND THEN DISTRIBUTE TO THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK THERE.
HE WORKS ALL OVER THE WESTERN OF NEW YORK, ROCHESTER AREA, BUT HE'D LIKE TO ESTABLISH THE BUSINESS HERE.
UM, WE THINK WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH, IT'S A SMALL SITE, LESS THAN AN AC.
WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, ENGINEERING WISE PRETTY, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFULLY, UM, AS FAR AS RETENTION OR BUYER RETENTION AREA, WE WERE WILLING TO DO THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SITE GOES, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THE EXISTING RETENTION POND WAS DESIGNED FOR THE WHOLE SITE OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT.
UM, HIS HOURS OF OPERATION FROM LIKE SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO LIKE FIVE AT NIGHT.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE NO LIKE SIGHT LIGHTING LATE AT NIGHT.
IT'D ALL BE WALL PACKS WITH, UH, ANYTHING SECURITY, MORE SECURITY THAN THAT.
UM, THIS TRAFFIC IS MOSTLY IN THE MORNING SEVEN AND THEN COMING BACK AT FIVE IN THE AFTERNOON.
UM, THEY STORE THEIR PRODUCT THERE.
UH, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE SEEN THE COMMERCIAL OR NOT, BUT THEY DO THE, THE GARAGE FLOORS, THEY'RE VERY LOW.
DC V-O-C-V-O-C RATINGS ON THE PRODUCT.
THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LOW.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LOW VOC, LOW VOC, LOW ENVIRONMENTAL FOR SURE.
THEY'RE DELIVERED AT WHAT, ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS? ABOUT ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS.
WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IN A 26 FOOT TRUCK THAT BRINGS IN THE PRODUCT.
SO THEY'LL BE BRINGING IN VINYL FLAKES AND LIQUID.
AND WHAT'S THE LIQUID? LIQUID IS CALLED POLYUREA.
THE TOPCO IS CALLED POLYSPORIN.
IT SORT ON THE LINES OF EPOXY, SAME THING.
BUT THEY DESIGNED IS ENGINEERED TO BE LOW IMPACT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S, UH, VT COMPLIANT WITH 49 STATES, INCLUDING CALIFORNIA AND ALSO CANADA.
SO, SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN THAT REQUIRES ANY SPECIFIC HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, HANDLING PERMITS TO BRING IN, DO THAT WORK? NO MA'AM.
AND AGAIN, THIS SITE WAS THE SUBJECT I BELIEVE ON AN, AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THEY PUT IN RILEY BOULEVARD AND DEVELOPED A PARK.
CAMMY WILL HAVE TO COMMENT ON THE STORM WATER.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I'M SURE THAT DESIGN IS WAY OUTDATED AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A CONTINUING PERMIT.
UM, SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING YOU'LL DEAL WITH CAM ON.
UM, WE WILL TRY TO FIND SARAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HELP ME TRY TO FIND THAT FILE FROM BURKE, UH, FROM THAT THIS BURKE BUSINESS PARK ABOUT WHAT WERE, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER MADE IN THE FINDINGS
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OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE ZONING CODE TO GO ON NOW, BUT THERE WERE SOME, SOME FINDINGS MADE ON THAT.I MEAN THE BIGGEST IMPORTANT THING OF THAT FINDINGS WAS THE ADDITION OF RILEY BOULEVARD AND THE ENTRANCE OUT ONTO SOUTHWESTERN FOR THE TRAFFIC CONCERN.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OUT THE OTHER WAY WHERE THE SCHOOL COMES DOWN ON, THAT'S ALWAYS PROBLEMATIC.
THAT INTERSECTION THERE ACTUALLY SOMETIMES REQUIRES THE POLICE TO BE OUT THERE WHEN THE SCHOOL BUSES AND EVERYTHING IS LETTING OUT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TRAFFIC, THAT AND HOW MUCH YOU GENERATE WILL LEAD BY THE SOUTHWESTERN AND NOT GO OUT THE OTHER WAY.
I'LL HAVE 14 EMPLOYEES MANNING THIS, MANNING THIS BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE NOT MANNING IT.
THEY'RE GOING THERE RIGHT AROUND SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY'RE JUMPING INTO CUT, UH, TWO ACTUAL TRUCKS AND YOU KNOW, 14 CARS OPERATES 10 OR FOUR, UH, SEVEN TRUCKS.
SO SEVEN TRUCKS WILL BE LEAVING THERE, COMING BACK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4 30, 5 O'CLOCK RIGHT AFTER THEIR JOB SITE IS DONE.
THEY COME BACK, RETURN THEIR TRUCKS, USE THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLES, THEN THEY'RE OUT.
SO I WILL REALLY HAVE A HUGE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M RUNNING STORE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL CONSIDER IS JUST MAKE SURE YOUR EMPLOYEES KNOW THAT THE BEST WAY TO GO IS OUT TO THE LIGHT INTERSECTION.
GO ON THE OTHER ROUTE AROUND FOUR 30.
THE SCHOOL MAY BE CLEARED OUT, BUT THEY DO HAVE PROBLEMS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHY THE ADDITION OF THAT NEW ROAD WAS MOST IMPORTANT.
I'D HAVE TO SAY 90% OF OUR TRAFFIC GOING KEEP RIGHT BACK ONTO, UH, ROUTE 20 OF GOING TOWARDS THE 90.
BUT SARAH WILL HELP ME TRY TO FIND OUT THE OTHER ISSUES.
IT'S BEEN 20 PLUS YEARS SINCE THAT'S WHAT APPROVED SARAH.
DID THEY MEET ALL THE SETBACKS ON THIS LOT? I DON'T THINK SO.
AS I RECALL, UM, SOME OF THEIR PARKING MAY BE TOO CLOSE TO RILEY BOULEVARD.
DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ONE PROBLEM THAT'S 35 FEET, CORRECT? YEAH.
THIS, THIS, IF THIS IS A PARKING SPACE OR THIS, YOUR, THIS PARKING 40.
SO WE'D HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS THAT MIGHT BE IN THAT.
AND HE SAYS HE REALLY WOULD NEED THAT, THE HOW HE OPERATES WITH THE TRAILERS AND THE TRUCKS.
SO IF IT WOULD BE IN BOARD'S INTEREST, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, COULD YOU GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION OF ZDA TO GET
DOES IT GIVE OFF FUMES? DOES IT GIVE OFF FOR CATTLE? NO, IT'S, IT WOULD BE THE SAME.
IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF FME FOR ABOUT FIVE TO 10 MINUTES AS IT'S APPEARING AS LIKE NAIL POLISH ORDER.
BUT THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE NO, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE NOTHING COMING FROM THE, FROM THE WAREHOUSE AT ALL.
IT'S GONNA BE STORED, CORRECT? YES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, FIVE PALS AND THEY HAVE TO BE MIXED A AND B COMPONENT.
IT DOESN'T START DRYING UNTIL IT DUST.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY BE VENTILATED AND STUFF LIKE THAT ANYWAYS.
BUT I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT THEES BEING AS STORED.
THERE'S NO ODOR OR FUMES UNTIL THE A AND B ARE MIXED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE JOB SET A CUSTOMERS HOUSE.
WE'VE GONE 20 YEARS WITHOUT A PROJECT WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND NOW WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS WITHIN, WITHIN.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UH, YES, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE, THE SITE IS LESS THAN AN ACRE, SO IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE HEAVIER STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FOR DETECTION.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA CHECK TO SEE IF, IF THE EXISTING RETENTION, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK SYSTEM WORKS.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO YOU DOING A SMALL BIO JUST TO HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE, THERE IS A SOIL TO COME THROUGH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK UP AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THAT GOES THAT NOW SOME OF THE SITE.
UM, SO FOR US TO KIND OF HELP IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO YOU WANNA DO THAT DARRELL? DARRELL, UH, TOMORROW IS THE CUTOFF FOR THE APRIL 6TH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING.
IF THE, IF THEY'LL RECOMMEND US TO THE ZONING BOARD, I'LL, I'LL DO IT.
WE DON'T REC THE PLAN BOARD TYPICALLY DOES NOT RECOMMEND TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THE ZONING BOARD DOES ITS OWN THING.
YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ON THE APRIL 6TH ZONING BOARD MEETING? OKAY.
I'M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE OUR NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 7TH.
SO IF YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD ON THE SIXTH, THEN YOU CAN GO BACK TO US THE SEVENTH.
IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THEM ON THE SIXTH, THEN MAYBE WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE BACK.
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ALL RIGHT.I THINK I'VE GOT YOUR APPLICATIONS ON FILE ACTUALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT? WHAT I MAY SUGGEST IS, UH, AGAIN, SARAH, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLETE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
I KNOW I SAW THE PLANS ON YOUR DESK.
THIS IS, UH, PLAN, SKETCH PLAN AT THIS POINT.
BUT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND DOING TWO WEEKS ANYWAY.
SO ONCE YOU HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION, MAYBE HAVE FOR VARIANCE, THEN WE'LL CALL PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DOES THE PLAN BOARD SEE ANY OTHER ISSUES? LIKE I SAID THAT IT'S, AND I, I HAVE TO REVIEW THE, BEFORE I MAKE ANY COMMENT, I HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE GS AND LOOK AT IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE PARK.
WELL IF CAM'S GONNA LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE, THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO BASE THAT UP IF NECESSARY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT THE ZBA SAYS ABOUT THE PARKING, IS THERE SPACE FOR ANY ESCAPING? I THINK WE'RE OVER THE 20.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE AESTHETICS UP TO THIS AREA.
THEY SUBMITTED A, A DRAWING TO SHOW THE LOOK, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY DECENT TWO STORY UP, YOU KNOW, NICER LOOKING BUILDING, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
OUR CODE GIVES GENERAL DIRECTION AND SITE PLAN ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF BUILDING.
I'M GONNA CHECK THE GEI SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE METAL BUILDING FRONT LOOKS NICE AND IT AWKWARD BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S FACING.
IT'S GONNA FACE KIND OF RILEY, THE SCHOOL.
YOU HAVE ABUSE HERE THAT'S GONNA BLOCK IT.
THE CREDIT UNION'S GONNA BLOCK IT FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
WELL, WE'RE KIND OF TAKING THE LEAST DESIRABLE SITE OUT OF THE
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A FRONT YARD AROUND THE WHOLE THING, SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SETBACK AND ALL THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS ATTRACTED TO ME FOR THE WAY MY TRUCKS AND TRAILERS MOVE AROUND THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S WHY I WANT THAT ROUND CAROUSEL GOING AROUND IT.
AND THEN, AND HAVING THE MORE ATTRACTIVE PARTS FACING THE SCHOOL WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE IT THE MOST IS YEAH.
WHEN YOU FILL OUT DAF JUST GIVE ME THE ESTIMATED TRUCKS PER DAY OR CARS PER DAY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY JUST YOUR EMPLOYEES.
IT'S, AND THEN THE TRUCKS ARE SO JUST WE HAVE ON RECORD.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE APOLLO CONCRETE COATINGS TO APRIL 7TH.
WE'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK UNDER A SKETCH PLAN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A FULL PLAN.
SO YOU UPDATED DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
YES, BUT I, I AM NOT INVOLVED IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
YOU JUST THREW IT UP AT THE COUNTER WITH THE GUYS.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT SIX MINUTES BEFORE WE CAN START THE REGULAR MEETING.
DID YOU TURN THIS ON, DREW? I TURNED IT ON.
SARAH, I'M TRYING TO TAKE THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD PROBLEMS, SO I HAVE THE RECORDER GOING.
THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE VIDEO LAST TIME.
I THOUGHT THAT THING WAS OKAY.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING WITH MASKS ON AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ON WEBEX ARE SAYING HALF THE TIME.
BUT IF YOU'RE TAPING IT, IF YOU'RE RECORDING IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT WE'RE STILL ON WEBEX AND WEARING MASKS, SO IT PROBABLY WILL SOUND THE SAME FOR FACEBOOK.
OH, SO SHE'S LISTENING ON THAT ONE? NOT THAT ONE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOOD MICROPHONE AND THAT'S NOT, YEAH.
ARE YOU WITH US? YOU DON'T SEE ON VIDEO
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JUST, UH, THAT YOU'RE LOGGED IN? I'M SORRY.NOT, DIDN'T REMEMBER ABOUT THE
ARE YOU THERE? AND IF ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE CAR WASH SUBDIVISION AND NO, HE'S OUTTA THE ROOM RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT FEELING WELL TODAY, SO I'M GONNA GO CRAWL BACK IN BED.
BUT I HAVE MY PHONE, IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTIONS, THEY CAN ALWAYS TEXT ME.
HEY SARAH, JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYTHING THERE.
DOUG SHAW'S NAME IS SPELLED WRONG IN THE YEAH, I CAN PORTION OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING, SO, BUT TRY TALK.
I DON'T THINK I CAN HEAR YOU YET.
I'LL ALL, I CAN TALK TO DREW TOMORROW.
I CAN STILL ONLY HEAR YOU ON PHONE BETTER.
NO, I I CAN ONLY HEAR YOU ON THE PHONE, BUT I CAN SEE YOU NOW.
SO THAT'S, UM, CAN YOU HEAR THE, HE CAN HEAR THE MEETING CAN, OH, NOW I CAN HEAR YOU.
ALL RIGHT, I GOT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
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TO THE ST.PATRICK'S DAY 2021 MEETING AT THE TOWN OFFORD PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IP ALLEGIANCE THROUGH FIRE.
THE UNITED STATES OF REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION UNDERGROUND INDI WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AT M RESTYLE REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 9 2 3 CAMP ROAD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THERE.
SO WE SCHEDULED THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANY CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE? NO.
SO THIS IS, UH, IN A C TWO ZONE AND BASICALLY THEY'RE TAKING STUFF THAT'S, THEY'RE STORING OUTSIDE AND PUTTING AN ADDITION ON.
SO WHATEVER THE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE CAN BE STORED INSIDE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BY ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, HE PROVIDED THE COLORS FOR THE YES, THE ADDITION THAT, THAT LOOKED PRETTY, UH, SELF-EXPLANATORY, RIGHT? SO, ALRIGHT THEN, UH, WHAT YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF QUIET.
MEGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO UNMUTE AND READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? LET'S DO IT.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY ATM RE TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING AT 4 9 2 3 ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD MARCH 17TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM SEVEN OF TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ATM RESTYLE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE THE TOWNSHIP OF HAMBURG FACEBOOK PAGE, OPEN TO CHECK THERE.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE ATM RESTYLE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE SPEAK FOR AGAIN, ATM RESTYLE? UM, THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON ATM RESTYLE? OKAY, THERE'S NO COMMENTS ONLINE.
AND TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS VIA EMAIL OR SLOAN CALL ON THIS PROJECT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ATM FREESTYLE BILL, YOU DIDN'T ASK US TO PREPARE RESOLUTION, BUT IF THE BOARD WANTED TO ACT TONIGHT, IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE.
IT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO SEEKER AND YOU COULD JUST DO A STANDARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, I I DON'T EVEN THINK WE NEED ANY CONDITIONS.
CAM I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE STANDING ON, ON THE PROJECT JUST CONFIRMING THAT THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, THEY MADE SURE THAT THE COLORS MATCHED THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA BE FACING OUTTA THE ROAD.
LIKE I SAID, YOU DIDN'T ASK US TO, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO JUST NOTE THAT IT'S A TYPE TWO AND DO A STANDARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU CAN ALMOST USE THE RECOVERY RIGHT RESOLUTION, JUST CHANGE THE NAME TO PROTECT.
ARE THERE SIDEWALKS IN THE FRONT OF THIS SITE? I THINK THERE ARE, RIGHT? THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALK SIDEWALKS, THERE SIDEWALKS.
AND THE LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THAT SHIELD, THAT'S ALREADY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, I'M SORRY.
ANY OTHER, UH, CONDITIONS YOU WILL WANNA PLACE ON THIS? NO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS OR CONCERNS ON THIS PROJECT? NO.
SO LET'S, LET'S GIVE THIS A SHOT HERE.
I'M GONNA DO A SITE PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTION FOR ATM RESTYLE AT 4 9 2 3 CAMP ROAD.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAVING DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND BASED ON REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIZ SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE, HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING COMPLETED THE
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REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANTS SUBMIT DRAWINGS AND PICTURES BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS, HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR ATM RESTYLE TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 9 2 3 CAMP ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.ONE, ANY NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANCE TWO.
CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SIDEWALKS IS WAVED BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR J-S-E-K-L-L-C REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS,
JSK, LLC, UH, ALSO WITH MEPE FROM THE PROJECT ENGINEERING FIRM, CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
WHAT SHE HANDED OUT TO EACH OF YOU WHO ARE HERE IS A COPY OF THE CORE BUILDING RENDERING.
OBVIOUSLY IT SEEMS FAMILIAR BECAUSE WE WERE PROPOSING THE SAME EXACT BUILDING AT A PREVIOUS SITE DOWN SOUTHWESTERN PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AS YOU RECALL, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE PROJECT THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED DOWN THE STREET ON A SITE THAT WAS NOT PROPERLY ZONED AND ON THE SITE WHERE WE REALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY IN THE SOUTHWESTERN.
AND WE'VE NOW MOVED INTO THIS NEW SITE.
IT IS IMPORTANT NOT NOTE THAT THIS SITE IS COSTING CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS SITE.
THAT'S NOT THE CONCERN OF THE BOARD, BUT IT DOES DEMONSTRATE THAT MY CLIENT REALLY HAS MADE A GOOD FAITH COMMITMENT TO TRY AND IMPROVE THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED LAYOUT BASED ON INPUT RECEIVED SPECIFICALLY FROM THIS BOARD.
SO THE PROJECT ITSELF, JOHN, I JUST, SURE THE PROJECT FINANCING IS, YOU KNOW, YOU NOTED THAT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL AND ON A COUPLE ITEMS LAST TIME, WE CAN'T, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, YOU KNOW, PROJECT FINANCING, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, THE ONLY ONLY REASON I WAS SAYING THAT IS AGAIN, I THINK IT DEMONSTRATES MY CLIENT'S GOOD FAITH TO LISTEN TO THE INPUT RECEIVED.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT'S A SAME BUILDING, APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE, 4,000 SQUARE FEET, A SINGLE TUNNEL CAR WASH.
WE HAVE 37 STACKING SPACES SHOWN HERE, WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
THE KEY BENEFIT OF THIS SITE VERSUS THE PREVIOUS SITE IS OBVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF MOVEMENTS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN, IT'S ALREADY LIMITED TO RIGHT OUT ALWAYS, WHICH WAS A BIG CONCERN THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY.
IN ADDITION, ANOTHER BENEFIT WE HAVE MY CLIENT'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS IS TO INSTALL A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION OUT THE BACK TO RILEY BOULEVARD.
SO WE NOW HAVE TWO MEANS OF ACCESS, WHICH IS GOOD NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF VEHICLE CIRCULATION IN THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY ACCESS.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.
UM, WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWN STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING.
WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE D'S REQUIREMENTS FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING STORM WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY, INCLUDING RETAINING A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT ON THE SITE.
THE THREE APPROVALS THAT WE NEED FROM THIS BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT ARE AS FOLLOWS.
WE NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO CM E REVIEWING AND APPROVING THE FULL ENGINEERED PLANS.
WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
A COMMERCIAL CARWASH REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE ADDRESS THE CRITERIA THAT APPLY BOTH THE GENERAL CRITERIA AND THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR COMMERCIAL CARWASH IN GREAT DETAIL IN OUR APPLICATION.
WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN FINALLY, BECAUSE WE ARE CREATING A NEW PARCEL OUT OF A PORTION OF ZERO SOUTHWESTERN AND ZERO SOUTH PARK, WE ARE SEEKING MINOR SUBDIVISION.
IT'S SIMPLY TO CREATE THAT NEW PARCEL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PROJECT IN A NUTSHELL.
UH, WHAT WE'RE HOPING YOU WILL DO BASED ON THE DISCUSSION DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO ON MARCH 3RD AT THAT MEETING, YOU DID TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, YOU SCHEDULED THE HEARING THIS EVENING AND ALSO YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION TO SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS FOR PURPOSES OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT.
I BELIEVE THAT DA ASKED AND NO LEAD AGENCY LETTER WILL BE GOING ON TOMORROW.
SO WHAT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO IS POTENTIALLY SCHEDULE A DECISION DATE ON THIS FOR YOUR SECOND MEETING IN APRIL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT
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OR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS? UH, AN OR MYSELF WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, ONE QUESTION.
THE PART ONE OF THE FE AF HAD NOTED THAT YOU GUYS NEEDED A SPEEDIES PERMIT FOR CEC.
IS THAT A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT OR IS THERE A SPECIFIC PERMIT NEEDED FOR DISCHARGE OF WATER FROM CAR WASHING OPERATIONS? UM, ANY, ANY, WHAT'S THAT? OH, ANTHONY PANOL WITH CAR.
UM, ANY, ANY PROJECT THAT'S DISTURBED OVER AN ACRE OF LANDS REQUIRES THE SPEEDIES PERMITS.
UM, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DC'S GUIDELINES AS FAR AS STORM WATER DISCHARGE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ONCE, UM, THE PLANS ARE APPROVED AND WE GET SIGN OFF ON THE MS FOUR, WE, UM, SUBMIT THAT TO DC AND GET THE SPEEDIES PERMIT.
AND THERE REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL THE SITE IS STABILIZED, BASICALLY, UNTIL IT'S CONSTRUCTED MEAN, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH, IT'S BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO ANY PROJECT WHERE THE DISTURBANCE IS MORE THAN WHAT OCCURRED.
THE SITE ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES IN SIZE.
SO ANY OF YOUR DISCHARGE FROM THE ACTUAL CAR WASH IS GONNA END UP BACK IN THE SEWER CONNECTION FROM THE ACTUAL CAR WASH.
WE'LL GO INTO THE SEWER, NOT, NOT THE STORM SEWER, THE SANITARY SEWER.
HOW MUCH TYPICAL GOOD CAR WASH.
HOW MUCH RECYCLE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH? UM, 70% RECYCLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
YOU WANNA READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, PLEASE? YES.
NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CLINTON COURT WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY JSEK HAMBURG, LLC, TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD MARCH 17TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JSEK HAMBURG, LLC CAR WASH.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? NO.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I CAN.
THEY, THEY MOVED IT TO WHERE IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
UH, ONE OF MY COMPLAINTS THE LAST TIME WAS THAT I FELT THERE WERE TOO MANY CAR WASHES, UH, IN THIS AREA.
UH, SINCE THEN WE'VE APPROVED ANOTHER ONE ON, UH, CAMP ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW MY OBJECTION JUST, UH, UH, INTENSIFIED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE, OF THE CAR WASH.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN'T REALLY, I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE JSEK CAR WASH? I'M HAVING MY, MY INTERNET'S GETTING A LITTLE SLOW FOR SOME REASON.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THE, THE LIVE STREAM UP? YEAH, I HAVE IT UP.
WELL THERE WAS THE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE CAR WASH ON CAMP, BUT NOPE, ANOTHER ONE JUST UP.
UM, IT SAID DO WE NEED, UM, PJ SINGH WROTE, DO WE NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH SINCE TYLER IS OPENING ONE IN THE TOWN AND THERE'S ALREADY ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE WAS ONE SIMILAR TO THIS TYPE OF WASH AND ST.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA RESPOND TO THAT COMMENT REAL QUICKLY.
I MEAN, IT'S VERY CLEAR BASED ON CASE LAW THAT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO THE TOWN OF HANDBOOK, BUT EVERYWHERE HERE TODAY, OBVIOUSLY ZONING CANNOT BE UTILIZED TO REGULATE COMPETITION.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IN NUTSHELL IS WHILE I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION, YOU GUYS DON'T DECIDE WHETHER THE MARKET HAS ENOUGH CAR WASHES OR WHETHER IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH CAR WASHES.
IT'S BASED ON THE MERITS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE BASED ON THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF THE CRITERIA THAT APPLIED.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE ONE CAR WASH THAT WAS PREVIOUS MENTIONED, THE SCHMIT ONE, WHICH I WAS INVOLVED WITH, IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE.
THAT'S A SMALLER BAY CAR WASH.
THIS IS THE TUNNEL CAR WASH GENERALLY WILL BE SUBSCRIPTION BASED WHEN YOU PAY A MONTHLY FEE AND YOU CAN COME AND UTILIZE IT WHENEVER YOU WANT.
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IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME THING JUST BECAUSE CAR, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.MINE WASN'T, NOT CAN AND CAN'T DO.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
UH, AND I JUST DON'T THINK, UH, IF ALL THESE CAR, UH, WHAT MY IDEAS ARE, WHAT THIS TOWN SHOULD BE DOWN THE ROAD, NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S GOING, THE CHARACTER OF THE TALENT.
UM, SO FOR THE THIRD TIME, ANY UH, THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THE JSEK CAR WASH? SO, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR PRACTICE DURING THE PANDEMIC, IF WE GET RECEIVE COMMENTS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HOLD IT OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, YOU'VE ASKED TO COME BACK ON THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL.
DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE DRAFTING RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT MEETING? UH, AND IF WE DO ANY CONDITIONS, WE SHOULD SUBMIT THEM BEFOREHAND.
THAT'LL BE, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US FIVE WEEKS TO DO THAT.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT TIMEFRAME? WELL, ONE THING, I'M SORRY.
THE ONE THING I I HAVE TO DO, LIKE WITH THE OTHER PROJECT IS I HAVE TO FIND, HAVE SARAH HELP ME TRY TO FIND WHETHER IT'S AT THE NIKE BASE OR WHATEVER, I GOTTA FIND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT WAS DONE HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
WE'RE DOING OUR OWN SECRET HERE, BUT WE REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT, SO THEN WE'LL JUST, IT, WE'LL JUST TAKE LOOK THEN, RIGHT? THE SAME THING.
I'LL, I'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO FIND THE DOCUMENT.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT IT SHOULD EXIST.
DO A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THIS, ON THIS BUSINESS PART.
SO THEN IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE TAKE UNTIL YOUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT HOPEFULLY THERE THE OPPORTUNITY WE CAN DISCUSS IF THERE'S ANY GAPS ARE RELEVANT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
WELL I, I THINK THE, THE DIFFICULT THING, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE I BROUGHT IT UP, UNTIL WE HAVE THE INPUT FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITIONS WE WOULD WANNA PUT ON THERE.
OR EVEN IF WE WOULD THINK IT WAS READY, IF EVERYTHING GOES THE WAY WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO GO, THEN MAYBE WE, WE MOST LIKELY WOULD BE.
BUT IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
YEAH, AND I WAS SIMPLY ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION, PREPARATION OF DRAFT OF COURSE.
SO, UM, BUT WE, BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANNA COME BACK ON THE SEVENTH AND SEE WHERE WE ARE FROM THERE AND YEAH, I THINK RIGHT DREW, DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT THE TIME TO GET INFORMATION? WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT AGENCIES, ET CETERA.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DECISION THAT THAT NIGHT, BUT WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO GET INPUT AND GET QUESTION ON PROJECT ANSWER.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD ON BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
UM, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE PLANNING PLAN AND I WAS GONNA ASK THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO JUST UH, TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SPECIES THAT THEY HAVE, SOME LANDSCAPE FOLKS ON THAT BOARD.
ALRIGHT, CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AND DETERMINE WHICH SPECIES ARE NATIVE AND WHICH ARE NOT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US START PUSHING TOWARDS MORE NATIVE OPTIONS AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR NATIVE PLANTS ON THE, ON THE LANDSCAPING PLANT, CORRECT? ON THE LANDSCAPING.
I THINK IT'S CALLED THE PLANTING PLANT HERE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY HAVE UNDER THE CALIN VERY GOOD OBSERVATION.
UNDER THE NEW, WE ADOPTED NEW LANDSCAPE, THE TOWN ADOPTED THEM LANDSCAPING STANDARDS AND, AND APPROVED TREES AND BUSHES, ET CETERA.
THE CONSERVATION BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AGAINST THAT APPROVED LIST.
THERE'S
SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT HELP IF THE CB COULD REVIEW IT AGAINST THOSE STANDARDS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE TOWN.
AND IF YOU DREW, COULD YOU CONFIRM FOR ME, I THOUGHT THE NEW LIST WAS ONLY TREES.
I DUNNO IF THEY DID HERBACEOUS PLANTS AS WELL, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR IN THERE, BUT YEAH, I ONLY REMEMBER.
YEAH, IF THAT COULD HAPPEN BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
'CAUSE IF WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BASED ON THE SPECIES TYPE, THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL SEND THIS OVER TO, TO SOME FOLKS OVER THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ANYTHING ELSE WE THINK WE COULD DO ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT? NO.
OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND TABLE JSEK HAMBURG, LLC TO APRIL 7TH, SECOND.
MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
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AYE.OKAY, SO WE WILL SEE YOU IN IN THREE WEEKS THEN.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
SEAN HOPKINS FROM HOPKINS MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANTHONY FROM THE PROJECT ENGINEERING FIRM, ARMINO WOOD MORRIS.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, YOU HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO ON MARCH 3RD.
BASICALLY, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PROJECT REMAINS THE SAME AS PRESENTED.
WE'RE GIVING UP ON ANY DISCUSSION OF CLUSTERING BASED ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED LAST TWO WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS FINE.
SO WE ARE SHOWING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION FEATURING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC ROADWAYS.
TWO OF THE LOTS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE UTILIZED SOLELY FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PURPOSES.
THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED DURING THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED THIS EVENING AND THEN WE'LL SUBMIT ONE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE.
I WOULD NOTE THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL PLAN THAT YOU REQUESTED THAT WE'LL HAVE PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
YOU ASKED FOR A PLAN SHOWING THIS SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPOSED WEZEL PROJECT ON ONE PLAN SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY, PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, ET CETERA.
SO WE WILL HAVE THAT PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE PROJECT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WE PRESENTED TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE WELCOME ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM EITHER THE BOARD OR THE RESIDENT.
THEN WE'LL PACKAGE UP ALL THAT INPUT WE RECEIVED AND SUBMIT ONE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE ALONG WITH THAT PLAN SHOW IN BOTH PROJECTS.
RIGHT? AND IN THE INTERIM, WE RECEIVED, UH, EMAILS FROM, UH, PEGGY, ELVIS AND JAY PET ON THIS.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE FORWARDED TO YOU OR NOT.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE FORWARDED TO YOU AND EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD GOT THOSE EMAILS.
YEAH, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED SO WHEN WE RESPOND, WE RESPOND COMPREHENSIVELY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO, NO, YOU KNOW, SARAH, WHEN YOU EMAILED EM, SAID THAT THE PERSON READ INTO, OKAY.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANT FOR, SO I CAN, I CAN COMMENT ON THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? THE OTHER THING, WHAT DID HE SAY? I'M HERE FOR THE PUBLIC MEDTRONIC, I SENT EMAILS.
SO THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD BEFORE THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS IS THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT WE TALKED THAT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WETZEL PROJECT NEARBY IS A PREPARATION OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO LOOK AT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF BOTH PROJECTS.
UM, I SPOKE TO SRF ASSOCIATES LATE LAST WEEK.
THEY'RE NEARLY FINALIZED THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
AND OBVIOUSLY ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE WE'LL SUBMIT IT.
SO I DO READILY ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO SUBMIT THAT PRIOR TO NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AWAY.
TRAFFIC IMPACT WILL BE SEAN, WHEN YOU PUT THAT COMBINED SITE PLAN TOGETHER MM-HMM
CAN YOU HAVE, UH, WHATEVER POTENTIAL RIPARIAN BUFFERS ALONG THE CREEK THAT ARE GONNA BE PROPOSED OR BUFFERING OR AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE REMAINING VEGETATED TO MAINTAIN BANK STABILITY LABELED ON THERE AS WELL AS ANY SIDEWALKS AND INTERCONNECTIONS THAT ARE GONNA GO ALONG.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I RECOGNIZE THAT PART OF YOUR PROJECT IS ONLY ON PARKER ROAD, BUT THAT YOU MAY BE HOPING FOR SIDEWALKS IF WE CAN, IF YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LANDOWNER AROUND THE CORNER.
HONOR, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DITCH THAT BISECT THE THE PARKER ROAD SUBDIVISION OR MORE SPECIFICALLY THE PROJECT CALLED, THERE'S THE ONE THAT RUNS ON THE PROPERTY LINE IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
THAT'S IN THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ON THE WE PROJECT FOR LARGE DEGREE.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW CLOSE IT GETS TO THE PROPERTY LINES, IT'S JUST THE, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE WITH THE TWO ARE ON THE SAME DRAWINGS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS AND WHERE THOSE PROPERTY LINES ARE.
AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I WANNA NOTE, THE TOWN BOARD PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS SCHEDULED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE WETZEL MATTER BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ARE KIND OF CUMULATIVELY BEING LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF SEEKER ON ITS UPCOMING MEETING ON MONDAY, MARCH 22ND.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE INPUT ON THAT PROJECT AS WELL.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IN OBJECTION TO THE SECRET REVIEW, YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER ALL THE INPUT THAT YOU'VE BEEN RECEIVED IN SECTION WITH BOTH PROJECTS.
SO WHAT I'LL, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL READ THE, THE ONE EMAIL FROM PEGGY ELVIS.
UH, IT'S, IT IS NOT THAT LONG.
AND THEN THE OTHER GENTLEMAN CAN, UH,
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SUMMARIZE HIS POINTS ON THE RECORD BECAUSE HE'S HERE PERSON.UH, SO IT SAYS, I'M A RESIDENT OF 4 3 6 9 PARKER ROAD.
THESE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ARE VERY TROUBLESOME SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARKER RIDGE, PARKER COMMONS AND MANOR LANE.
THE EFFECT OF ON TRAFFIC ON PARKER AND 20 A HAS BEEN HORRIFIC.
IT'S DIFFICULT PULLING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY OR ONTO 20 A LAST FALL.
DURING THE CLUSTER DEBATE, A PETITION WAS SIGNED BY A RADIUS OF RESIDENCE.
MR. MANKO AGREED TO ALL POINTS.
I URGE THE BOARD TO RECONSIDER THE PETITION REQUEST AGAIN AND FURTHER CONSIDER REDUCING THE HIGH DENSITY OF THE PARKER PROPOSAL.
THE 4, 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PROPOSAL SHOULD BE TABLED ENTIRELY.
STUDIES THAT ARE CONDUCTED FOR TRAFFIC, WATER, DRAINAGE, CONSERVATION, ET CETERA, THAT MAY RESULT IN A NO IMPACT ARE A FAR CRY FROM REALITY AND ANY PLAN, OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION AND VISUAL VISUAL CHARACTER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS DO NOT IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, AND, AND SIR, YOU WANTED TO GIVE A COMMENT, CLARK PLAYING BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M AT 49 0 4 MARYLAND DRIVE, MS. HAM.
I THINK YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE IT, AND I, I WAS GOING TO READ THIS EMAIL HERE.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA JUST HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE IN REGARDS TO THE PROPOSED MACO SUBDIVISION.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS A NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND THE NATURAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW, IS A FARM FIELD WITH ROLLING HILLS.
THERE IS A SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH AND SOME OTHER LARGER LOTS AROUND THERE ON PARKER ROAD.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD, UM, UH, MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE LOTS ON PARKER ROAD AND THEIR SIZE OF THE LOTS EXISTING COMPARED TO THE SUBDIVISION PROPOSED LOTS ON PARKER.
AND IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY LARGER LOTS IN THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
I TOOK A LOOK AT THE LOTS ON PARKER ROAD IN THE AREA AROUND THE SUBDIVISION AND ACTUALLY FOUND THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOTS ON PARKER ROAD AROUND THE SUBDIVISION ARE ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LOTS ON PARKER ROAD.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, UH, WAS KIND OF A, A FALSE STATEMENT.
UM, THIS, THIS CURRENT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS IT STANDS NOW IS A, UH, DOES NOT, DOES NOT HELP WITH ANY COMMUNITY CHARACTER WHATSOEVER.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TO, TO HEAR THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CAR BLANCHE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
WHEN THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION PROVIDED BUFFER PROVIDED GREEN SPACE AND PROVIDED MORE OF THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER IN TODAY'S STANDARDS, THEN THIS PROPOSED NORMAL SUBDIVISION, I THINK IS, IS THE WRONG WAY FOR THIS PLANNING BOARD TO GO.
UM, I DID SEND YOU GUYS SOME PICTURES OF OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, THIS ONE'S IN THE TOWN OF LANCASTER, THAT, THAT WAS DEBATED IN THAT TOWN WITH HOW TO HANDLE SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER, NOISE POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS IS TO PUT BERMS ON THE SUBDIVISION, UH, EXTREMITIES.
AND YOU PUT PLANTINGS ON TOP OF THE BERMS TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF RELIEF TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LINE OF SIGHT THAT LOOKS LIKE A 1960S CHIEF KAGA SUBDIVISION ONE AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER.
NOW, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION COULD PROVIDE THE SOLUTION WITH THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S DESIRED.
AND ALSO WITH DEVELOPER, IT WOULD, THEY'RE, THEY WANTED A CLUSTER TO BEGIN WITH.
I REALLY THINK THE PLAN BOARD SHOULD REEVALUATE THEIR DECISION AND THEIR STANCE AND NOT GET THEIR HEELS OUT OF THE GROUND ON THIS CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, EVERYONE IN THE AREA AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS FEELS THE SAME WAY ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND TO JUST SAY PARK BLANC, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING WITH THE REGULAR SUBDIVISION, WE'RE NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN THAT CLUSTER.
THE REASON FOR THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION IS TO MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND MAINTAIN THAT LOCAL CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THIS CURRENT SUBDIVISION DOES NOT DO THAT.
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THE BOARD TO EITHER ONE, UM, DO A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON THE SEEKER FOR COMMUNITY CHARACTER OR TWO, REEVALUATE THE COMMUNITY, UH, CHARACTER AND A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.OKAY, SO ANOTHER PERSON WANTS TO SPEAK.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK? WELL, I'M MY EMAIL.
WELL, WHY, I GUESS MYSELF AND MY OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE, MANY OF US ON
I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO IT, BUT THE, THE BASIC THING I WILL SAY IS IN OUR, UNDER OUR CURRENT TOWN LAW, IF IT IS CLOSE BETWEEN WHICH ONE IS BETTER A CLUSTER OR AN AS OF RIGHT, OUR CURRENT TOWN LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO GO WITH AS OF RIGHT.
SO THE WAY THE TOWN LAW IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN DEFAULTS TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER PROJECT.
SO, AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THAT, THAT'S THE, THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION AS TO THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE.
UM, A LOT OF YOU WERE HERE, WE, IT WASN'T A CARTE BLANCHE THING THAT WE JUST DECIDED RIGHT AWAY.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IT.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, TRYING TO FIND WAYS FOR IT TO CONFORM WITH THE TOWN LAW, WHICH SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AS A WHOLE.
AND IT WAS A VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS FOUND THAT THERE, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH AND, AND JUST THE BUFFER, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE BUFFER BENEFITS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR WHERE THE BUFFER WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO APPROVE A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IF THAT WAS THE CASE CHANCE TO BENEFIT THE TOWN AS A WHOLE IS WHAT IT IT HAS TO HAVE.
YOU REMEMBER, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAILER AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T ENOUGH.
SO THIS IS, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD OTHER CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE CLOSED.
THIS IS WAS THE HARDEST ONE TO TRY AND FIND SOMETHING IN THAT OPEN SPACE THAT CONFORMED WITH OUR LAW.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND THAT'S WHY THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DECIDED THAT IT DIDN'T MEET, THAT I, REGARDLESS THAT ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS THAT SIGNED THAT PETITION WERE IN FAVOR OF IT.
THAT WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME.
UM, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT WITH THE TOWN LOAN.
AND THE TOWN LAW IS, IS WRITTEN TO IN SOME WAYS DISCOURAGE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE OTHER POINTS ON THE PETITION REGARDING THE FIRM IS THE OTHER CHALLENGE DISCUSSING ATED ROAD CAN'T BE IMPLEMENTED ANYWHERE IN THIS PLAN.
UH, I, THE DEVELOPER WOULD'VE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT, BUT THE DEVELOPER WOULD'VE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, WE CAN'T PUT A GATE ON THE FRONT
BUT NOW IT CAN'T BE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THE ENGINEER ADDRESSED, I THINK THAT QUESTION CAME UP TWO WEEKS AGO AND THE ENGINEER ADDRESSED IT.
IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD AND THE FIRE CODES MORE THAN 30, WE HAD MORE THAN 30 LOTS SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS, 30 HOMES ON INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY LAWS UNDER APPENDIX VIA THE FIRE CODE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SECONDARY ASSETS OR THEN REDUCE THE SUBDIVISION ENTIRELY.
LIKE THAT SAID, THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES.
NO, WE WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION WHERE WE, THEY WILL GIVE THEIR COMMENTS.
SO WE, WE I HAD ONE MORE COMMENT.
OKAY, WELL I'LL LET YOU MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT AND, AND IT'S THE END OF MY ARGUMENT WITH THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
UM, TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED BY THIS TOWN.
THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WAS BASED ON THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AS THIS SUBDIVISION AND THAT CLUSTER APPROVAL.
SO THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION BENEFITED THE TOWN WITH THE SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS.
THEN THIS ONE I'M JUST, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S NO REASON TO SAY THAT THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION HERE DOESN'T BENEFIT THE TOWN WHEN THE ONE TO THE SOUTH DID.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE BOARD IS ENTIRELY AGAINST THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION HERE.
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AND, AND IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA.I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS EVEN ON, WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT A TOWN BOARD AND IT, IT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE HE'S TALKING ABOUT, DOUG? NO, IT'S RIGHT TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AND IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF ARGUMENTS THAT THIS ONE IS ON.
SO I URGE THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD TO PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION ON ENTERTAINING A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
IT BENEFITS THE TOWN BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES AROUND THE SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL I'LL JUST SAY WHAT I SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN MR. HOPKINS TRIED TO BRING UP THE CLUSTER AGAIN.
YOU SAID, NO, NO, I, I SAID THERE WERE FIVE, FOUR MEMBERS THAT DIDN'T OFFER A SECOND.
IF THOSE BOARD MEMBERS COME TO ME AND SAY, I'M THINKING ABOUT CHANGING MY MIND, I'LL ENTERTAIN IT.
I DO NOT EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO IT IS NOT THAT WE'RE DIGGING OUR HEELS IN OR SAYING, OH, WE'RE HEARING IT.
WELL, ONE URGE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ONLINE AND THEY'RE HERE IN PERSON, PLEASE REEVALUATE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS TO PROVIDE A SECOND AND SOMEONE PROVIDE A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN THE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
IT BENEFITS THE TOWN BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE AROUND THE SUBDIVISION.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM ANY SORT OF BUILDING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT.
SO PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND CONSIDER THE TAXPAYERS IN THE AREA'S COMMENTS, PETITIONS, ARGUMENTS ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPERS WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
IT IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS, THE TOWN AND THE DEVELOPER, AND FOR THE PLANNING BOARD NOT TO REALIZE THAT I THINK IS A, A TRAVESTY TO, TO WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE DOING.
SO I BILL, I THINK IT'S WORTH, UM, REMINDING FOR THE RECORD THAT AS WE EVALUATED ATTENTION FOR A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, YOU MAY WANNA REPEAT THIS IF I'M NOT WELL HEARD.
THE INITIAL SITE PLAN THAT CAME FORWARD FOR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT DID NOT INCLUDE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED OPEN, OPEN SPACE AND THEN HAD TO BE REVISED AND MODIFIED.
AND THERE WERE NUMEROUS COMMENTS MADE AT THE TIME AND CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AS WE WORKED TO GET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT ON OPEN SPACE, UH, REGARDING THE STORM WATER POND REGARDING HOW THE SPACE WAS ALIGNED, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, PLACEMENT OF A BER IN SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT WERE JUST MOWED GREEN SPACE THAT WERE PERHAPS JUST A STORM WATER POND.
WHETHER THAT CONSTITUTED THE APPROPRIATE GRIEF SPACE TO REALLY MAKE THAT FOR MEANINGFUL SUBDIVISION.
ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES THAT I SEE WITH THIS IN COMPARING BOTH THE CLUSTER AND NON CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IS THE FACT THAT THE CLUSTER AND UNCLUSTERED DEVELOPMENT ARE VERY SIMILAR.
ONE IS, UM, FOR LACK OF A MORE TECHNICAL TERM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUASH.
SO UTILITIES AND THE ROADS AND THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS WAS, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED.
WE ASKED AND PROVIDED AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO THE ENGINEER WHO'S PRESENTING THE PROJECT AT THE TIME TO HELP US WITH THE BETTER DOCUMENTS AND RECORD KEEPING UP ON WHY THERE WERE ADVANTAGES AT THE TIME.
AND WE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION, BUT THERE WERE LINGERING QUESTIONS AND THINGS WERE NOT ANSWERED IN A WAY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE WERE VERY STRONG SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO LAYOUTS BASED ON THE STORMWATER POND AND THE, THE SITUATION THERE THAT IT, IT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION AND IT WAS NOT A DECISION THAT WAS MADE LIGHTLY BY THE BOARD.
THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WEREN'T CONSIDERED.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE SITUATION AT THE TIME, INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED.
AND I RECOGNIZE AS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS TABLE, UNFORTUNATELY, MR. HOPKINS, KIM, HAVING TO LISTEN TO ME BE UPSET AS WELL ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE SITTING ON THIS SIDE, DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY FOR HERE WE LISTENING AND WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE AND EVEN RECOGNIZING THAT WE CANNOT ALWAYS MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.
SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE MANCO SUBJECT? NO ONE ELSE HERE.
AND I, I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS ONLINE, BUT LIKE I SAID, MY INTERNET'S BEEN KIND OF SLOW HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, THERE'S NO, NO COMMENTS ONLINE THOUGH.
SO, BEING NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, I WILL AT THIS TIME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DAVID MANKO SUBDIVISION.
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OKAY.SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT? ALRIGHT, BILL, I EMAILED THE PLANNING BOARD A BEGINNING OF A PART TWO OF AN EAF.
YOU SHOULD BEGIN TO WORK ON THAT IN PREPARATION FOR ANOTHER MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, WHERE WE CAN SAY TO THE APPLICANT BASED, NOT ORDER BASED ON OUR REVIEW, PART TWO EAF, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION, WHICH IS THE PART RATE, ANALYZING WHETHER THE IMPACTS MAY BE SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
SO PLEASE REVIEW THAT PART TWO, A LOT OF IT'S BLANK BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION ON LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE ON WHETHER THOSE, THOSE IMPACTS MAY BE LARGE OR MAY BE SIGNIFICANT.
SO PLEASE START REVIEWING THAT IN TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT AT LEAST TO SAY YOU NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT IMPORTANT DECISION.
WHICH AGAIN, ALSO KEEP IN MIND I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND I GAVE YOU THAT MATERIAL FROM THE SEEKER HANDBOOK TO HELP YOU EVALUATE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CUMULATIVE TYPE IMPACT.
SO I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE THREE WEEKS BETWEEN THE NEXT MEETING, UH, PLEASE START TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU MAY NEED OR SAY, I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE MY DECISION, WHICH IS THE FIRST DECISION IS SECRET.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DIRECTION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD IS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT YOU NEED.
CONTACT SARAH IF YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING, ET CETERA, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN INFORMATION SUBMITTED.
AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE IT ALL.
UH, WILL YOU BE PROVIDING THAT, UH, HINDSIGHT
I, WHAT I'LL DO IS THAT CHRIS WOOD IS ACTUALLY OUTTA TOWN.
HE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW ONCE WE HAVE THAT.
UH, I'LL ALSO SUBMIT ELECTRONICALLY.
SO HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU CAN SEE BEFORE THAT MEETING.
BUT YES, WE'LL HAVE IT PRIOR TO NEXT MEETING ALONG WITH THE TRAFFIC.
AND IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT GOES WITH THE COMMUNITY AREAS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ALSO BE PROVIDED? I'LL HAVE TO DIS I'LL, I'LL DISCUSS THAT BEFORE BACK.
UM, SECOND QUESTION IS FOR DREW AND JENNIFER, UM, FOR THE UNDER SEEKER, IF WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE, THE PART ONE, PART TWO, PART THREE, DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES OR IS ALTERNATIVES ONLY GONNA BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF A PAUSE DECK? SO I GUESS THE CONTEXT BEING THAT WHEN WE DO THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ANALYSIS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER PROPERTY, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLUS THE PARKER ROAD DEVELOPMENT, WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER THE CLUSTER VERSUS UNC CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CUMULATIVE EFFECTS ANALYSIS.
OR IS THAT ONLY REQUIRED IF THERE'S PS? OKAY, I'LL LET JENNIFER, SHE CAN DO THE RESEARCH.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION AT THIS POINT.
I'VE ASK THAT FOUR ALTERNATIVES, NOT SOMETHING YOU LOOKED AT ONLY IN AN EIS WOULD YOU LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.
YOU CAN'T ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WITH MITIGATION.
YOU WOULD'VE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO AGREE AND MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN.
THERE'S NO MITIGATION IN A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
WE'RE NOT DOING A CONDITION NEGATIVE, WE'RE NOT DOING MITIGATION.
YOU WOULD'VE TO SAY THE APPLICANT, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS A LARGE IMPACT.
IF YOU DON'T AMEND YOUR PLAN FOR X, Y, AND Z OR DO THIS MITIGATION, THEN WE'D HAVE TO PAUSE A DECK.
AND SO AGAIN, NO ALTERNATIVES IN A NON EIS FORMAT AND MITIGATION.
YOU WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO, CAN YOU AMEND THIS PART OF THE PLAN, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY, AND WITH THAT AMENDMENT THEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY ISSUE A BIG DECK.
OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO ISSUE A, A, A POSITIVE DECK.
IF YOU THOUGHT THAT, THAT WITHOUT THAT MITIGATION, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ALTERNATIVE OR MITIGATION IS NOT A COST FOR DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACTING ON THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU, AND I'LL CHIME IN HERE.
I, I DO AGREE WITH DREW'S OPINION IN TERMS OF ALTERNATIVES BEING TRIGGERED BY THE ISSUANCE OF A POSITIVE DECLARATION OF PREPARATION OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENT LOAN IMPACT STATEMENT AND ALL, WE'RE RELUCTANT TO EVEN BRING THE TERM UP.
AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
IF YOU WERE INTERESTED AT ALL REVISITING CLUSTERING.
IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN REVISITING CLUSTERING, ALL YOU WOULD'VE TO DO IS TELL US AND WE WOULD TRY AND MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR PREVIOUS DECISION THAT MAYBE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WASN'T THERE.
I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT IT A NON-BINDING WAY, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE STILL WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND PART OF THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS, WELL, WE GET, OBVIOUSLY TO A LARGE DEGREE, PROBABLY MOST OF THE NEARBY TORS PROBABLY PREFER THAT NOTHING HAPPENS HERE.
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THEY ARE BEING REASONABLE AND I THINK THEY'RE ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT SOMETHING WILL GO THERE.I THINK THEY'RE ASKING US TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEIR INPUT.
WE WOULD GLADLY, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT SOMETHING THE PLAY BOARD WANTED TO UNDERGO, AND BY THE WAY, I JUST THOUGHT OF ANOTHER ISSUE I WANTED, I DID GET, UH, WE DID GET A, A COMMENT LETTER FROM COUNTY ON THIS PROJECT DID REACH OUT TO ME.
I DID EXPLAIN TO THE ONE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THEY HAD WAS THE CONNECTIVITY OF THIS PROJECT.
THEY WANTED, BECAUSE THIS IS A AREA THAT THEY THOUGHT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING DRIVE, ALL THESE SHOULD BE TIED TOGETHER.
I TOLD THEM THAT THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE.
THIS IS NOT BEING TIED TOGETHER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE ARE SEPARATE, NOT TYING THESE DEVELOPMENTS TOGETHER.
THEY DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I SAID, NO, BECAUSE OF ISSUES OR WHATEVER, THERE WILL BE NO CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THIS SUBDIVISION, THE PROPOSED WETZEL DEVELOPMENT, CCA DRIVE, OR ANY OF THE ADJOINING ADJOINING SUBDIVISIONS.
I DID AGREE WITH THEIR COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT THE AREA NEEDS TO BE WALKABLE, THAT BASICALLY WHATEVER WE DO HERE, MAKE SURE THE AREA IS WALKABLE.
SO THEY WANTED A PATH FROM THIS ONE THROUGH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE, THAT'S KIND OF NEO URBANISM.
THEY ALSO, THEY WANTED ROADWAY CONNECTIONS, RIGHT? THEY WANTED CONNECTION.
I TOLD THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE, THAT BECAUSE OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES, ET CETERA, THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE.
BUT YES, THE ISSUE OF, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE PARK THE ROOF.
I, I DRIVEN, I TRIED TO WALK ON PARK THE ROOF, ALWAYS THE WALKER OR WHATEVER ON.
SO IT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT THEY'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING, AT LEAST THEY HAVE TO PUT ALONG THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THEY HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS ALONG THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE DIFFICULT CONTINUING THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF PARKER ROAD.
AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE FRONT OF PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TO PROBABLY PUT IN SIDEWALK.
BUT WE WILL LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF WALKABILITY THAT IS A SECRET ISSUE.
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WALKABILITY, ET CETERA.
DREW, DO YOU HAVE THOSE COMMENTS IN AN EMAIL THAT YOU CAN FORWARD TO US OR WAS IT JUST A CONVERSATION THAT YOU RELAY THERE? THERE IS AN OFFICIAL EMAIL.
WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR ERIE COUNTY DP.
THERE'S A LETTER, RIGHT? THERE'S A LETTER.
SO I WILL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LETTER, I APOLOGIZE, WE'LL GET THAT LETTER TO YOU THAT CAME IN FROM THE DP I THINK IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE NEW COMMENTS ADDED TO THE LETTER, SO NO, NO, THAT WAS JUST A FOLLOW UP CALL ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS AND THEY JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT HOW COME THE TOWN ISN'T ENCOURAGING ALL THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY.
AND I SAID IN MOST PLACES WE DO, WE LIKE INTERCONNECTIVITY, BUT THERE ARE OUTSTANDING ISSUES IN THIS AREA THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA PROVIDE THAT ROADWAY INTERCONNECTION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISION.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MANKO TO APRIL 7TH.
NEXT ITEM, MY AGENDA IS BLAZEDALE SOIL AND STONE REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON VACANT LAND EAST OF ELECTRIC AVENUE IN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE.
ALRIGHT, DID WE GET ANY PICTURES OR ANYTHING? WHAT'S THAT? DID WE GET ANY PICTURES OR ANYTHING SINCE LAST MEETING? UH, I EMAILED PHOTOS TO SARAH DEAN BUILDING THAT SHE SAID NEEDED THE BUILDING.
THE WALLS ARE GONNA BE GRAY WITH THE BLACK ROOF.
AND I, UNDER SARAH ALSO SENT BILL THAT EMAIL SUMMARIZING HER CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS AFTER THE LAST MEETING ABOUT WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WERE FROM SOME OF THE BUILDING.
BLAZE TELL LEADERSHIP ON OUR REVIEW.
WHEN I SPOKE TO HER, SHE BASICALLY JUST SAID THAT BLAZEDALE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT COLOR IT'S, AND WE'RE FINE WITH, WELL THAT WAS US THAT WANTED TO KNOW WHAT COLOR IT WAS.
UM, AND BLAZEDALE WANTS US TO, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WE, WE KIND OF KNEW THIS, THAT THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OF CODES, BUT THEY DON'T WANT US TO JUST ALLOW THINGS THAT DON'T FIT IN AND DON'T LOOK MM-HMM
SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE THREE POINTS WE GOT FROM SARAVILLE? SURE.
THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT THEY, UH, THIS IS FROM JANET FLOR FROM BLA.
THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT THEY PREFER LANDSCAPING BE INSTALLED.
IF THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED CLOSE TO THE ROAD IN THIS CASE, UM, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE CLOSER TO SOUTH PARK THAN ELECTRIC AVENUE.
SO NO LANDSCAPING WOULD BE REQUIRED.
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THAT THEY WOULD USUALLY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WHICH PROVIDED, UH, THE THIRD ONE WAS THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING STONE DRIVEWAY THAT CAN REMAIN.HOWEVER, IF YOU DO CURB CUT IS PLANNED, THE DRIVEWAY MUST BE ASPHALT MORE CONCRETE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO CURBING THERE.
NOW THERE IS AN EXISTING STONE ENTRANCE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING STONE ENTRANCE.
AND WE HAVEN'T USED IT IN A COUPLE YEARS.
SO THERE IS GRASS, UH, GROWING THROUGH IT.
BUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE START LOSING IT AGAIN.
AND ARE YOU GONNA KEEP IT STONE OR ARE YOU GONNA PAVE IT? AT LEAST IN THE MEANTIME? WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT STONE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITY OF BLACK TIME TO GET DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT CURRENTLY JUST STONE AND IT'S, WHAT KIND OF STONE IS IT RIGHT NOW? LIKE BLACK REALLY? I THINK SINCE IT'S NOT MAINTAINED, I WOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE WHERE WE CAN, AT LEAST FOR THE, THE CURVE CUT INTERCONNECTION, DO SOME SORT OF CONCRETE OR ASPHALT AT LEAST WHERE WE'RE HITTING THE EXISTING ROAD.
WE, WE KNOW IF THAT'S OPTION WE PUT WELL AND WE WILL PUT NEW STONE DOWN WHERE WE GONNA THE ROAD FOR FACT.
THERE IS SOME IFICATION THERE.
WE'LL, SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT DOWN, BUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT DOWN IS STONE ASPHALT PUT DOWN.
YES, BECAUSE I, I NOT, I THINK I HAVE TO CLARIFY IT, BUT I KNOW IN THE TOWN THE ASPHALT MILLINGS AREN'T ALLOWED.
AND I THINK IN THE VILLAGE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED EITHER.
I, I THINK THEY SAID IT WAS AN EXISTING STONE.
YEAH, WE COULD, THAT COULD STAY IN STONE, BUT NOT THAT IT COULD STAY AS ASPHALT MILLS.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, BILL, IF WE'RE, IF THERE'S EXISTING GRASS AND SINK GOING, IF YOU NEED TO PLACE STONE TO BASICALLY MAKE IT BACK UP TO FUNCTIONAL, IS THAT ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THIS TO BE MAYBE THEIR ASPHALT OR CONCRETE AND I WOULD POTENTIALLY DEFER A CAMMY ON SOME OF THAT AND WHAT HER RECOMMENDATION IS.
I WOULD SAY IT'S FUNCTIONAL NOW.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE FACT THAT TO CLEAN IT UP, ONCE WE'RE USING IT AND HAVE IT BUILD, WE OF COURSE CAN ADDRESS EVERYTHING UP.
WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON TRADING? YOU SAID, YOU SAID YOU YOU'LL DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? DON'T, DON'T, DON'T KNOW.
RIGHT NOW MY BIG FOCUS IS, IS ON FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET AN ADDRESS ON THIS PROPERTY AND FINALIZE GETTING BILL PERMIT SO I CAN GET THIS BUILDING UP.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE OFF OF THAT, I'M CURRENTLY WAITING.
I GOT ONE COMPANY WAITING FOR A DEPOSIT TO BE PUT DOWN AND GET IT ON HIS SCHEDULE TO HOPEFULLY GET BUILDING UP THIS SEASON OR FALL.
UH, SO KIND OF WANNA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE GOTTA DO NEXT TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO I'M HOPING TO HAVE A STRUCTURE UP BY, BY WINTER TIME AT THE VERY LATEST.
AND WHAT IF IN OUR RECOMMENDATION WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT WAS PAID, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO YOUR PROJECT? IT WOULD DEFINITELY SET ME BACK A LITTLE BIT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, FUNDS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THE BUILDING AND GETTING THE BUILDING READY AND STONING WHERE THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE STONED AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREA, STONING AROUND THE BUILDING SO THE CONSTRUCTION GUYS CAN GET THEIR EQUIPMENT IN TO BUILD THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOW HAVE TO BE FOCUSING ON PAVING A BLACKTOP AND WHAT I SHOULDN'T BE FOCUSING ON GETTING THIS BUILDING UP FIRST.
YOU KNOW, SO I SAY IT'S NO ISSUE TO PUT STONE THERE, WHICH ARE ALREADY IS SOME STONE, THERE IS SOME VEGETATION, WHICH NO PROBLEM CHOPPING IT DOWN.
I HAVE PILES OF STONE OX OUTSIDE ALREADY.
WE CAN STONE IT AND, YOU KNOW, STONE IT PATENT AND GET THESE BUILDERS IN AND GET THIS BUILDING UP.
COMMENT A LITTLE BIT? YES, PLEASE.
UM, I THINK HE'S, HE HIT A BIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT LAST PART TOO.
WHAT WE WANT IS TO TAKE A LAYER OFF IT BECAUSE IT MILLS AND PUT OUT FRESH STONE.
YEAH, I CAN, THAT, THAT MAKES FOR A GOOD ENTRANCE.
UM, I WOULDN'T FEEL THAT ASPHALT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY BUT FRESH IMPACTED, CLEAN, YOU KNOW, NEW STONE, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF THE FACT THAT MILLS ARE SOFTER AND LESS EFFICIENT, UH, SURFACING THAT IT WILL HAVE, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WHAT DO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THINK ABOUT THIS? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
I'M ON BOARD HATCHING STONE ACTUALLY TAKING A LAYER OFF AND MAKING THE TOP LAYER STONE.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE NECESSARY WITH VEGETATION THERE ANYWAYS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NUMBER STONE USE.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S A WHAT WHAT SIZE STONE? WHAT WE HAVE A ONE INCH CRUSH.
LIMESTONE WE USE A LOT IN OUR BUSINESS.
BILL, IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE STATE WHAT CAMMY SAID, THAT WE EXPECT THE TOP LAYER OF MILLS TO BE REMOVED IN CRUSH
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STONE AND THEN HOWEVER WORDED THAT I, RIGHT, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SENT ON THE 18TH THAT I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO WORD THE RECOMMENDATION.UM, SO I THINK, UM, I GUESS THE WAY I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT BLAZE EL SOIL AND STONE, UH, BE PERMITTED TO CONSTRUCT THE 2,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON VACANT LAND EAST SIDE OF ELECTRIC AVENUE IN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND PLANS SUBMITTED ON FEBRUARY 18TH WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE TOP LAYER ASPHALT MILLINGS BE REMOVED AND THAT THAT BE REPLACED WITH CLEAN STONE.
HOW DEEP, UH, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE DETERMINED ON OUR GROUND AND WHERE IT IS.
BUT YOU WILL ALLY NOT HAVE ASPHALT, YOU'D HAVE A NICE STONE PACK.
I'D SAY A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES WOULD PROBABLY GOOD FOR OUR TALKING TRUCKS A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER, SO I DON'T WANT IT TO GET KICKED UP.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING STONE HARD AREA THERE THOUGH, SO I DON'T FEEL THAT FOUR INCHES WOULD BE NECESSARY.
OF COURSE IT'S GONNA VARY DEPENDING ON HOW THE LAND IS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING EXISTING IS ASPHALT MILLINGS, WELL IT'S STONE AND MILLINGS AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S NOT EXISTS, NOT BLACK TOP BUILDINGS THERE.
BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT BEAUTIFUL, NICE ONE INCH CRUSHED LIMESTONE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TOPPING THAT, WHICH I WILL, BUT TO SPECIFICALLY SAY YOU HAVE TO DIG DOWN FOUR INCHES AND SPECIFICALLY PUT FOUR INCHES DOWN, I FEEL IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ONE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY OR SAW WHAT WAS.
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, SO I'M GUESSING ON THE DESCRIPTION ON WHAT THE CONDITION OF THIS ROAD IS, OBVIOUSLY IT COULD BE WORSE, IT COULD BE SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO, SO, UM, SO THE ASPHALT MILLINGS BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION THEN? SURE.
YOU'LL HAVE NICE STONE STONE ENTRANCE WHERE IT GOES TO THE STREET AND TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, I GUESS, LET'S TRY THAT AGAIN FROM THE BEGINNING.
UH, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMEND THAT BLA SOIL WITH STONE BE PERMITTED TO CONSTRUCT A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON VACANT LAND EAST OF ELECTRIC AVENUE IN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS AND DRAWINGS PROVIDED ON FEBRUARY 18TH, 2021, WITH THE CONDITION THAT ASPHALT BILLINGS BE REMOVED, IT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH STONE.
SO THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION BY MR. CLARK.
OKAY, CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST THAT THE
I'LL HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW IT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY, SO WE CAN HAND IT TO APPLICANTS THAT WE'RE NOT, I FEEL BAD, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET DIRECTION OF WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED.
WE HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE VILLAGE.
LET'S CREATE A FORM, I'M A FORM GUY.
CREATE A FORM AND SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT AND THIS IS WHAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH, I GET, I THINK, UH, ROGER GIBSON'S CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE VILLAGE ALSO.
SO, SO WE RECOMMEND THAT, THAT YOU'D BE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD AND, UH, YOU WORK WITH THEM.
ALRIGHT, SO BUILDING INSPECTOR TO GET YOUR PERMIT RIGHT IN BLA THOUGH, OR HERE, HERE IN HAMBURG.
WELL THE, THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE IS RESPONSIBLE.
SO YOU COME HERE FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
ME YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE GUY HERE, RIGHT? I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE, BUT THIS WHOLE, THESE, ALL THESE STEPS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE, COME IN AND THEN THEY ISSUE APARTMENTS FOR THE VILLAGE BLA OR, OR DOES HE GO AND SEE SOMEBODY IN BLAZE THOUGH, THAT THEN COMES HERE? I, I DUNNO, UM, I, UM, I BELIEVE, SORRY THAT IT'S JEFF IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY.
AND I ONLY REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, JEFF.
UH, BUT HE'S DOWN IN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND I THINK HE PROCESSES ALL THE APPLICATIONS FOR BLA THOUGH FOR
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THE BUILDING AND CODE DEPARTMENT.ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS START HERE AND HOPEFULLY IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEND, SARAH WILL GET THE RECOMMENDATION THAT PASSED THE RECOMMENDATION ON, SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT PERMITS.
SO IF I CAN COME HERE TOMORROW, I'D BE FINE TO TRY AND GET A BILL FOR MEDICAL.
THEN I THINK IT COULD PROBABLY GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT TIME TOMORROW BECAUSE SARAH LEFT SICK.
SO SHE'S GOTTA GET THE RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
UM, I MEAN IT WASN'T A COMPLICATED RECOMMENDATION, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL, BUT I I I BET IF YOU CAME HERE AS SOON AS IT OPENED IN THE MORNING, THEY'D SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT BY LATER IN THE DAY, HOPEFULLY THEY'D, THEY'D BE ON TOP OF IT.
I WILL EMAIL ROGER FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND LET HIM KNOW ALL JUST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I GOT GUYS READY WAITING ON A DEPOSIT TO, TO GET THE BALL MOVING AND QUICKER THE BETTER.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BROADWAY GROUP REQUEST.
SORRY, ONE THING BILL, BEFORE WE GO, DO WE NEED THE MOTION TO, FOR DREW TO AUTHORIZE HIM TO DO A FORM FOR BLAZE? YEAH, IF I NEED A MOTION, I'M GONNA DO THAT.
I THINK ONCE YOU GET THE DRAFT THEN YOU CAN DO A MOTION TO SAY THIS IS THE FORM WE'LL USE OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, PROCESS, PROJECT.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING THEN? JUST SO THAT WE SEE WE KEEP ON IT? I'LL, I'LL TRY TO WORK WITH SARAH TO HAVE IT DONE BEFORE THEN.
UH, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ASSET RECOVERY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 5 5 9 0 MAINWOOD DRIVE.
SO, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD RESOLUTIONS PREPARED ANY CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE LAKE ONE.
YES, THE LIGHTS AND THE, THE DOWN SPOTS ON HERE.
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? SO I, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I CAN LOOK AT IT FOLLOWING THE MEETING BEFORE I SIGN.
I HAVE A COPY WITH ME IF YOU GUYS LOOK IT.
SO WAS THERE A PREVIOUS, THERE WAS A ZONING BOARD AUTHORIZATION PREVIOUSLY ON THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND OUR, AND OUR LAST ISSUE WAS, UH, THE DOWNSPOUTS AND THE LIGHTING BEING DARK SKY COMPLIANT, WHICH IS A CONDITION OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE DOWNSPOUTS ENGINEERING HAS TO APPROVE NO MATTER WHAT.
SO ANY QUESTION, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE MOVING FORWARD? NO.
UM, SO SITE PLAN, APPROVAL RESOLUTION, ASSET RECOVERY PROJECT 5 5 9 0 MAYWOOD DRAW THE PLANNING BOARD, HAVING DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
AND BASED ON REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE, HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANT AMEND THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR ASSET RECOVERY TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING BUILDING AT 5 5 9 0 MELU DRIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, ANY NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANCE.
TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED.
THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SECOND, UH, SECOND BY MRS. UFFORD.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS THE BROADWAY GROUP REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND EAST OF 4 0 5 0 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
MEMBER JOE HAMPTON ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPER BROADWAY GROUP.
THE BROADWAY, UH, DEVELOPER IS ONLINE, UH, CHAIR MATHS, WHO'S AVAILABLE AS WELL THROUGH REMOTE ACCESS.
UH, WE ARE HERE ON OUR SECOND MEETING WITH RESPECT TO SECOND APPROVAL
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FOR THE SITE LOCATED AT 40 50 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BOARD INQUIRED ABOUT THE PRESENTATION OF A WETLAND STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK TO THE BOARD OR MR. UH, TO SARAH.
HOPEFULLY THAT WAS FORWARD ALONG AS WELL.
UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
IT WAS A 55 PAGE DOCUMENT, UM, BUT THERE WAS A SUMMARY PAGE AS WELL.
UM, JUST AS A, A QUICK OVERVIEW, THIS IS A TWO ACRE PARCEL PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE, 10,640 FEET.
UH, THERE'LL BE 35 PARKING SPACES WITH RESPECT TO THE SETBACK PROJECT.
UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 30 FEET THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS HUNDRED FOUR FEET WITH RESPECT TO SIDE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS RISE FIVE, THIS PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT 27 AND IN THE REAR, WHICH THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES REAR OF THE BUILDING REQUIRED 40 FOOT SETBACK.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A 79 FOOT SETBACK WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE ON ONE SIDE AND WITH RESPECT TO DO THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, MAINTAIN THE NATIONAL OLOGY WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, TREES AND GROWTH THAT ARE THERE CURRENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT? I BELIEVE WE'VE SUBMITTED, UM, DRAWING PLAN PREVIOUSLY.
KEN, EITHER YOU OR TARA REMIND US.
I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING WAS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY POTENTIAL TO INTERCONNECT THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT AND POTENTIALLY HAVE EXIT OUT AT WHERE I BELIEVE THERE'S A LIGHT.
SO, SO I CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT AND TARA CAN JUMP IN AS WELL.
SO THE, UM, THE BIGGEST THING IS OF COURSE WITH ANY ACCESS MANAGEMENT, RESPECT, RESPECT TO THAT AREA, ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PRESUME IT REQUIRES TWO PARTIES TO ACT IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY IN WHICH WE REFER TO LESS THAN THE FIRST FLIGHTS, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S ABOUT 40 FEET GIVE OR TAKE OF UN UH, IMPROVED PROPERTY TO WOULD BE BETWEEN HIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HE WOULD'VE TO DEVELOP IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT ROOM.
WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH,
BUT AGAIN, UM, I KNOW TARA HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THAT YOU SHARE.
I JUST FACT THAT I SPEAK WITH LEON KY OF T AND HE, UM, SAID THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE POINTS, THE, THE CURB CUTS ARE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF SHARED ACCESS.
AND SO, UM, WITH OUR PROPERTY BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AN INTERNAL LOT THEN OTT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, INDEPENDENT ACCESS FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ACCESS MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
AND AS OF COURSE THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UM, SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH OUR DEVELOPMENTS, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE TURNING IN AND OUT OF THE, UM, OF THE STORE.
IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND SO IT WOULD HAVE A MINOR IMPACT ON ANY TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ANYWAYS.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE OUR, OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO HAVE A INDEPENDENT CURB CUT SERVING THE PROPERTY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT CONNECTING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK, UH, MY COMMENT WAS RELATED TO IN THE CODE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT INTERCONNECTION.
UM, IF IT'S NOT HOT, NOT HAVING A SHARED MEANS THAT WOULD BE PERFECT SITUATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DOT IS NOT AT LEAST THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO BIRD'S BIKES AND WANTS TO GO TO GO TO DOLLAR GENERAL, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT US TO HELP FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION WITH BIRD'S BIKE.
I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S WHY THEY SET UP THIS WAY THAT THERE'D BE SOME ABILITY TO CONNECT PARKING LOT EVEN IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CURB CUT.
WE STILL WOULD LIKE THE TALKS ABOUT HAVING CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PARKING LOTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THAT IDEA OF NOT HAVING ALWAYS HAVE TO TURN OUT THE HIGHWAY D TURN INTO THE NEXT BUSINESS.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT ON TRANSIT ROAD AND, AND CLARENCE AND AMBERS FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS TRYING TO GET ALL THE PARKING AREAS IN OR CONNECTED.
SO PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THOSE MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT PARKING LOTS.
AND I, AND I CAN COMMENT ON THAT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALICE WAS SPEAKING TO.
UM, WE WE'RE NOT DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO ANY TYPE OF ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING SOUGHT.
OF COURSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A MAJOR CON CONTRIBUTION ON BEHALF OF THE ON PROPERTY OWNER TO EVEN TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UM, NOT PAVE, IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 40 FEET OF GRASS AREA.
SO WE DON'T KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD IT'S 40 FEET ON BIRD'S BIKES PARK PROPERTY.
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IT WOULD'VE TO COME TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO HAVE BE APPROVED BEFORE WE HAVE MANAGEMENT.SO AGAIN, THE FEASIBILITY WE'RE JUST NOT SURE.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS? IT'S 40 FEET ON BOAT BIKE, HOW MANY FEET ON THE DOLLAR? AND I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT INFORMATION.
IF THEY'RE SAYING A 50 FEET FROM BIR PARKING LOT, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S ANOTHER 40, 50 FEET FROM WHERE THEY'RE ENDING THEIR PARKING LOT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 190, A HUNDRED FOOT SECTION TO CONNECT THE TWO.
AND I THINK WHAT THE GENTLE WAS SAYING IS THAT BASICALLY DOLLAR GENERAL COULD PUT THAT DRIVEWAY UP TO THE, UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THEN BIRDS WHITES WOULD'VE TO, AND WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO IT.
WE JUST UNDERSTAND THERE'D BE A NUMBER OF HURDLES PROBABLY TO THAT ENDEAVOR.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND AS, AS WELL AS NOT ONLY DOLLAR GENERAL, BUT A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS, ESPECIALLY IN COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY TYPE OF ACCESS ROAD, WHETHER THERE BE A SHARED ACCESS MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR ALIENATION AND WHO COULD COME INTO THERE.
WHETHER IT BE A COMPETITOR OF COURSE, WHETHER IT BE A LIQUOR STORE, AN ADULT STORE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, AND NOT SERVE OUR CLIENT'S BEST INTEREST.
SO THERE'S OF COURSE THAT NEGOTIATION THAT WOULD'VE TO GO ON AS WELL.
AGAIN, NOT DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME WORK ON BEHALF OF OURSELVES FIRST PIKES.
UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FEASIBLE.
AND WE'D EVEN LOOK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION TOO THAT, THAT WE WOULD ASK UNDER THE CODE THAT YOU PROVIDE POTENTIAL ACCESS TO, AGAIN, A JOINING CUSTOMER AS LONG IF THERE WAS LIMITATION ON COMPETITION OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE ALL MAINTAIN THAT WAY.
I TAUGHT THAT OW ALONG THESE MAJOR ROADS THAT HAVE SOME INTERCONNECTIONS SO LATER ON WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT.
IT'S GONNA BE NOT EASY TALKING THE WORD TO SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS OR BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AS AN OPTION, AGAIN, WE'RE WILLING TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO EVEN PUTTING A, GIVING AN EASEMENT EVEN WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBILITY NOW LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR THAT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S ABLE TO MEET US, THEY'RE DOING THAT A LOT OF BUSY STATE HIGHWAY NOW GOING BACK IN TRYING TO GET THE WORK TOGETHER AND TIE THEIR PARKING LOT TOGETHER.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE TURNING, EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A TURNING MOVEMENT ON A ROAD LIKE THIS, YOU'RE CREATING A POTENTIAL FOR ACCIDENT.
I MEAN IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE HOW WE DO THAT.
CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, FOR THE BROADWAY GROUP TO PROVIDE A MAP ON AN AERIAL BASE MAP THAT SHOWS THE BIRD BIKES PARKING LOT, THE PROPERTY LINES AND KIND OF WHERE THIS AREA IS THAT THE POTENTIAL EASEMENT WOULD NEED TO BE? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE AERIAL MAPPING OUT HOW DRIVE OVER THERE TO LOOK THAT THE AREA NEXT TO THE FIRST PARKING LOT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESSENTIALLY INFORMALLY USED AS SOME SORT OF RIGHT PARKING AREA.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE A TINY LITTLE MINI PARTIAL CURB CUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENTION OF IT WAS IN FRONT OF THAT AREA.
THE MAPPING, THE, THE CHALLENGE GIS SYSTEM HAS A LOT OF THAT DATA ON THERE.
YOU CAN LOOK ON IT, YOU CAN PUT THE LAYER OF THE AERIAL PHOTO AND THEN PUT THE, THE DIMENSIONS OR THE UH, THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS ON THERE, ET CETERA.
YOU GO OUT THERE AND SEE IT, THERE COULD BE OTHER AERIAL PHOTOS, COULD BE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OLD.
IT DOES APPEAR TO BE, I HAVE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS AN AREA ALREADY THAT, THAT THEY'RE KIND OF USING OR, OR HAVE AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY DISTURBED HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT GENERAL AREA IS SEE RIGHT IN HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED STUFF HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL, WE'LL START THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE PUT THAT IN THE CODE MANY YEARS AGO THAT WE WANNA TRY TO ENCOURAGE INTERCONNECTION.
I MEAN WE'D LOVE TO HAVE SHARED CONNECTION, BUT IF WE GET AT LEAST INTERCONNECTION, WE CAN PRODUCE SOME OF THAT.
I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES SOMEONE GOES TO
I MEAN I WAS MORE THINKING TOO THAT IF SOMEBODY HAD WANTED TO TURN BLACK ON A DOLLAR GENERAL, THAT REALIZING THAT THAT'S A TRICKY PLACE TO TRY AND DO THAT, BUT THEY WOULD THEN MAYBE GO LEFT OR RIGHT AND THEN RIGHT INTO BIRD'S BIKES, TURN AROUND IN THAT PARKING LOT IN ORDER TO COME BACK AND GO IN THE LEFT OF THE LIGHT THERE.
I WAS ACTUALLY WONDERING, I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP, UM, THE APPLICANT IS STATING THAT THERE AND NOT ANTICIPATING A LARGE TRAFFIC, BUT IT LOOKS THERE BE PARKING SPACES ANTICIPATED FOR THIS SITE.
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YOU ANTICIPATING DURING PEAK FLOW AND WHAT IS THE STACKING DISTANCE YOU HAVE FOR LEFT HAND TURNS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T LOOK SIGNIFICANT.AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE TIMING FOR A LEFTHAND TURN OUT OF THAT WITH THE LIGHT BEING SO CLOSE.
JARED, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THOSE TO YOUR BEST OF YOUR ABILITIES SO THAT I CAN FOLLOW UP NECESS SIR? SURE, SURE.
UM, TYPICALLY BASED OFF OF THAT ITE GENERATION, UM, THE TRIP MODELS FOR THESE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENTS, WE CAN EXPECT AROUND 30 TRIPS, UM, IN THE PEAK EVENING HOUR AND I THINK MAYBE AROUND 15 OR MAYBE 20 TRIPS IN THE MORNING, PEAK HOUR.
SO, UM, IT'S AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, AND AS FAR AS A, UM, MAYBE A STACKING GOES, JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT GOES BACK TO THE, UM, FROM THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, BACK TO THE DUMPSTER AREA.
AND SO, AND NOT, NOT TO MENTION THE, ALL THE SPACE THAT GOES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS ABOUT 140 FEET WIDE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, 140 FEET IS QUITE A LOT OF ROOM TO BE ABLE TO STACK VEHICLES IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM WITH THE VEHICLES, UM, BEING ABLE TO WAIT AND MAKE A TURN UP TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES DO YOU HAVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A COLLEGE CAMPUS? BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WHICH I EXPECT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF YOUR KEY CUSTOMERS GOING IN AND GRABBING SNACKS BETWEEN CLASSES OR PUT THINGS ON THE WAY HOME? YEAH, THAT'S A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA AND THE, UM, PROJECT IS ONE THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND SO THE PROXIMITY TO, UM, A COLLEGE CAMPUS OR UM, ANOTHER BUSINESS, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING A LARGE NUMBER OF LEFT HAND TURNS INTO THE COLLEGE CAMPUS.
THAT'S WHY I'M THE QUESTION, THAT'S WHY I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE LEFT HAND TURN TIMING IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE COMING FROM.
I THINK, UM, THE THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
UM, I THINK TRADITIONALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT UM, CONVENIENT TYPE, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS, A LOT OF THE, UM, A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE KIND OF MIDDLE AGED MEN A LOT OF TIMES.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF CONVENIENT SHOPPING.
BUT I DO, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH CONVENIENCE COMES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS IN YOUR CLOSE PROXIMITY.
AND SO NOT ONLY MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COLLEGE STUDENTS VISIT THAT, UM, THEY MIGHT VISIT SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, FAST FOOD PLACES DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S ALREADY IN HEAVILY COMMERCIALIZED AREA AND I'M SURE THE COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE ALREADY ADVANTAGE OF OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T ASK ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUTTA THERE.
UH, NO MA'AM, I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
UM, TYPICALLY THE TRAFFIC GENERATION STUDIES ARE REQUIRED FOR OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
I KNOW THAT THE BOARD REQUIRED ON THE LAST, UM, THE LAST PROJECT THAT WE PROPOSED, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT.
IF YOU WANNA LET KNOW THAT NOW I CAN START WORKING ON IT AND I'M SURE THE ENGINEER COULD PROVIDE THOSE METRICS TO YOU, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
SO WELL, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS THAT.
UM, DO WE THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT ON THIS PROJECT? THAT TRAFFIC STUDY? I GOT ONE, YES.
UH, THE TRAFFIC DOWN THAT ROAD, I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE TO AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND WATCHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SMART DECISIONS.
IF I MAY, YES, AND I SURE DO IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES USUALLY IS ABOUT A HUNDRED, UH, TRIPS DURING PEAK OR I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT ANYWHERE COMES CLOSE THAT OF COURSE THEY'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE IT NECESSARY, BUT I GUESS IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS REQUIREMENT AT ANY COMMERCIAL PROJECT WITHIN THE TOWN, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS? BECAUSE I KNOW THE LAST ONE WAS UNDER, UNDER THE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE LAST PROJECT BASED ON THE LOCATION.
BUT THIS ONE AGAIN, YOU HAVE A COMMERCIALIZED AREA.
TRAFFIC USE IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT THE WELL STUDIED WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROBLEM.
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I THINK AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO AND FROM PCC, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A RIGHT TURN OUT THE PARCEL AND THEN A LEFT TURN AT THE LIGHT INTO THE ECC CAMPUS.AM I RIGHT? AM I GONNA, LOOKING AT THE TOWNS MAP HERE AND IF I AM LOOKING AT THE CORRECT PARCEL, I THINK THEY'D BE MAKING A RIGHT OUT AND LEFT INTO RIGHT, BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS AT BIKES.
AND THIS AND BIKE IS TO THE RIGHT OF THIS, RIGHT? I JUST TO, I SAID IT HAS SOME BENEFITS THAT IT'S NEAR, IT'S GONNA CREATE THE GAPS IN THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU NEED TO GET IN AND OUT.
IT'S NOT, I AGREE IT IS NOT A MAJOR GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC, BUT I'LL JUST WORK WITH THE DOT WHO HAS MADE A COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY BELIEVE THE INTER THE DRIVEWAYS ARE FAR ENOUGH APART NOT TO CREATE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE BEST SCENARIO AND, AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH AN ENTRANCE HERE.
UM, AND, AND DESIGN, IT'S A DO, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE OUT AND ONE END, WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S SOUTHWESTER HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WEIGHTS AT CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY TO GET IN AND OUT, OUT TO MAKE A LEFT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
SO I WILL TALK TO ED MURKOWSKI ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL NOT REQUEST THE TIS BUT JUST TO TELL HIM ABOUT THE SCENARIOS WHY THEY THINK THAT THIS WILL WORK FINE.
AND, AND IT'LL, IT'LL MAKE GOOD SENSE FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
PERHAPS IT'LL MAKE SENSE TOO THEN TO, UM, FURTHER THE ARGUMENT OF THE NECESSITY FOR HAVING ACCESS TO THAT LIGHT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT LARGE VOLUME TRAFFIC, IF WE ASK FOR TRAFFIC INFORMATION, IF WE ASK FOR TRAFFIC INFORMATION, WE WOULDN'T ASK FOR A WHOLE TISA TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WE WOULD ASK FOR TRIP COUNTS, TURNING MOVEMENTS AND WAIT TIMES TYPICALLY.
HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO PEAK TIME FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A LEFT OUT HERE PER SAY? AND AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WITH THE GAPS CREATED BY THE SIGNAL'S PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK.
I HAVEN'T SEEN HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TRAFFIC.
SO JUST GONNA SAY THERE'S A GAP THERE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I WANNA TALK TO AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE SITUATION.
EVERY, EVERY PROJECT ALONG SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD HAS THE SAME QUESTION.
THE TOWN IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
IT'S ONE OF THE WORST ROADS WE'VE HAD.
AT THE OTHER END OF IT, WE HAD EXPERIMENTING WITH SINGLE TURN LANES IN THE CENTER, THREE LANES, FOUR LANES.
WE'VE DONE ALL THESE THINGS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
IT IS REACHING THAT POINT OF A HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD.
IT'S NOT THE 50, 60,000 TRIPS PER DAY, BUT IT'S UP THERE.
WE, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE CAR WALKS THAT WE HAD EARLIER WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED ON SOUTHWESTERN, WE HAD THEM DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, DIDN'T WE? UH, THEY, THEY ARE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT? THEY ARE CAR, MOST OF THEIR TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO OUT.
AND THEN IT'S A RIGHT HAND OUT ONLY ON THE SOUTHWEST.
BUT, BUT TO TO ADDRESS THE ATTORNEY'S QUESTION, WHICH WAS IF WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THIS FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, THEY SHOULD KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THAT AREA AND HAVE WE REQUIRED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES.
YOU MAY BE RIGHT, YOU MAY WANNA TELL PEOPLE IF YOU PROPOSE SOMETHING ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THAT'S LIKELY SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR.
UM, BUT TO, TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
I, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY.
HAVE WE HAD OTHER PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING OR HAVE WE HAD OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR WORK? RIGHT.
I THINK WE HAVE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S BEEN, DEPENDING UPON THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT, WE'VE ASKED FOR TRAFFIC SITE, THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF THE, OF THE CAR WASH.
WE'VE HAD DO A BIG TRAFFIC SITE BECAUSE IT WAS ON SIGNALED AREA, WHATEVER THIS ONE WE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL OTHER ONES, THE DOLLAR GENERAL AT THE OTHER END OF SOUTHWESTERN WE'VE ASKED FOR.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON THE SITUATION ON SOUTHWESTERN, CAN ANYBODY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PROJECT? 'CAUSE BECAUSE WE I'M RIGHT, WE, WE ASKED FOR IT ON THE CAR WASH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
CAN SO CAN ANYBODY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ONE, UH, ON A PROJECT IN SOUTHWESTERN, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT? OH, THE, THE NEW CAR WASH ACROSS THE STREET.
YES, BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT HAND TURNOUT
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ONLY AND THEN THEY GO BACK ON THE RIGHT.AND WE, AND WE DID HAVE THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT TALKED ABOUT THE TIMES AND EVERYTHING FROM THE PRIOR PROJECT.
SO THE NEW ONE ACROSS THE STREET, DENNIS? YES.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY CAN REMEMBER? NOT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
YEAH, JIM HORTONS ON WHITE OAK.
WE ASKED FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ON THAT.
RIGHT DOWN FROM THE OLD BROADWAY GROUP.
WE, WE DEFINITELY ASKED FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY IN THAT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOTHING, AS MR SAYS, I MEAN DOT REQUIRES THAT YOU GENERATE MORE THAN PER HOUR.
UM, WE AND LIKE ALMOST ANY OTHER TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY PROJECT AT GIS IMPACT BUT THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAS BEEN ASKED SOME QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE I AGREE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FULL FOUR AF DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS IN THERE.
IT SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND HAVE SOME, I I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE PROPER SITE DISTANCES HERE.
A PRETTY STRAIGHT SECTION OF THE ROAD.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE FI THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING, THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DELAY OF 30 SECONDS OR A MINUTE BASED UPON THE TRAFFIC COUNT, THE TRAFFIC BEING GENERATED, YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAFFING ROOM THAT PEOPLE WILL STACK THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A LEFT.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING TOO WE HAVE GOING WITH THIS IS DOLLAR GENERAL TYPICALLY DOES NOT HAVE A PEAK HOURS THAT TYPICALLY OCCUR FOR ARE PEAK HOURS ON THE ROAD.
I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S THE WORST PEAK.
THE WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT IT IS, I, I THINK THE POINT OF THIS QUESTION WAS A CONSISTENCY TYPE AND IF WE CONSISTENTLY ASKED FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN THIS LOCATION, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL IN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE THEY MAKE THE APPLICATION.
WE, WE, WE USED TO, WE HAD THE SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
IT WASN'T REQUIREMENT BUT IT WAS REMOVED.
UM, SO, AND AND THAT WAS HOW MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS REMOVED? THAT WASN'T THAT MANY YEARS AGO.
AND SINCE THEN WE CAME WITH ONE PROJECT, BUT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT.
BUT WE DID ASK THE SAME APPLICANT ON THE SAME DENSITY PROJECT FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WHEN THEY PROPOSED
YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN BOARD THAT IT JUST BE AN ON CERTAIN ROADS WITHIN THE TOWN.
WE SHOULD JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OR A TRAFFIC IMPACT.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THAT AND I I THINK WHERE WE'RE GOING IS IS WE PROBABLY WILL WANT THE TRAFFIC, WE WILL WANT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ON THIS.
UM, AND AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW, HOW TO MAKE IT SO YOU DON'T COME IN WITH THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
SO IT'S ANSWERED AHEAD OF TIME.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A GOOD POINT WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA, THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW BEFORE YOU COME IN.
AND YOU DIDN'T, SO A QUESTION AND I KNOW WHERE BIRDS IS AND ALL THAT, HOW FAR DO YOU THINK IT IS FROM, FROM BIRDS TO A, BEFORE THIS PROJECT APPROXIMATELY PICTURE IT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE MILE, THREE QUARTERS.
SOMETHING LIKE, I DUNNO, I'M TRYING TO PICTURE.
WELL IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LONG WAY.
AND BY THE WAY, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS COMMENT BEFORE SOMEONE BRINGS IT UP.
WE ALWAYS GET THE QUESTION ABOUT WHEN THE THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONSIDERING.
COUNTY GB, NRG C ALL SAY THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN PLAN ROADS FOR AN EVENT LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DELAYS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS IF YOU TRIED TO DESIGN YOUR ROADWAY SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE SIX TIMES, THERE'S EIGHT TIMES A YEAR.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT AND, AND THAT CLOSE TO THE STADIUM.
I I THINK THAT YOU, YOU'RE GETTING INTO A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING.
THEY'LL HAVE WALKUP TRAFFIC AT THAT POINT ON, ON GAME BUMPER.
THE, THE, THE CUSTOMER SHOULD KNOW THAT DOLLAR GENERAL SHOULD KNOW IT'S PROBLEMATIC ON GAME DAY.
I MEAN IT'LL BE BUMPER BUMPER IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DRIVE THERE TO GET SOMETHING ON THAT DAY, THAT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA.
I MEAN THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED, I LIKE THEIR APPLICATION.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE ORCHARD PARK STORE THAT CLOSE TO ORCHARD PARK.
I NOTICED THAT ON A BUNCH OF THE BOARDS THAT SAYS ORCHARD PARK.
BUT WE ARE CLOSE TO THE ORCHARD PARK.
BUT I, I MEAN I'M SURE PEOPLE WOULD STOP IN FOR SNACKS AND WATER AND WHATNOT AND FOOT ON GAME DAY TOO, THAT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH ON A GAME DAY.
SO YOU GUYS, FOR SOME TRAFFIC INFORMATION, WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDST OF A COORDIN INTERVIEW.
YOU AUTHORIZED ME, I'M, I AM GONNA STILL REACH OUT TO THE DT AND TALK TO THEM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
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GET THE LETTER BACK FROM DT, BUT I'LL ASK ED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMENTS AND MAKES THE PLANNING BOARD SO COMFORTABLE THAT THEY BELIEVE THIS WILL SAFELY WORK.UH, AND THEN WE'RE GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INFORMATION TO HELP WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER BIG ISSUE WAS ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE SCREENING THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BEHIND THERE? THEY EXCEED THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT AND THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE SOME THINGS TO SAVE SOME OF THE VEGETATION AND, AND DO SOME PLANNING.
THAT IS, UH, I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THAT ISSUE WAS FIRST.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE SCREENING? SO I DID JUST FORWARD THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
ASK THEM TO QUIET COMMENT ON THIS AND THE OTHER PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, BY THE SECOND, UM, I LIKE THAT SOME OF THESE TREES ARE BEING LEFT.
UM, IT LOOKS, CAN ANYTHING BE DONE IN THE VICINITY OF THE STORMWATER POND THOUGH? IN THE NORTH, NOT NORTH THE SOUTH? WELL, THE CORNER THAT IS BY THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND THAT DOES ENTRIES.
IT'S LIKE, AND THAT, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE, THAT'S WHERE THE PRIVACY FENCE WILL BE.
UH, I GUESS THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
IS THAT WHERE THERE'S A PRIVACY FENCE? YES.
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND IT DOESN'T SHOW THE FENCE NECESSARILY ON IT.
YEAH, YOU PROBABLY LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE FENCE IS IN RELATION TO THE WATER.
I WILL PULL THAT UP AND JUST SOME OTHER INFORMATION.
AND WE WELCOME THE CONSERVATION BOARDS REVIEWS, BUT WE, BASED ON LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, PROPERTY, UM, THE PROPERTY WAS COMPLETELY CLEAR UNTIL ABOUT THE 1980S.
UM, THIS IS SECOND ORDER GROWTH, NO VIRGIN LANDS OR FORESTRY.
UM, AND BASED ON OUR UH, UH, SEE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, WE DON'T, THERE'S NO ENDANGERED SPECIES OR WILDLIFE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE FOLKS ON THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD WHO ARE, UH, LANDSCAPING, UM, TRAINED.
SO WE, I I LIKE TO HAVE 'EM LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT TREE SPECIES DEPICTING WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE WITH THE SPACING AND PLACEMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE COMMENT I MADE ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THE EARLIER PROJECTS, BUT IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIST OF SPECIES THAT YOU HAVE HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NATIVE PLANTS.
THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF THERE IS A NATIVE EQUIVALENT OR UM, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK REGIONAL APPROPRIATE SPECIES RATHER THAN UM, NON-NATIVE THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE CONSERVATION BOARD HAS A LIST OF ACCEPTABLE SPECIES THAT WE COULD PROVIDE TO OUR LANDSCAPE? UH, ENGINEER THE TOWN HAS A LIST.
THE TOWN HAS A LIST SO SARAH OR DREW SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO YOU.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUE WE CAME UP WITH EARLIER IS THAT IT DOES HAVE, UM, A LOT OF TREES ON IT, BUT NOT, I DON'T THINK AS MANY OF BUSHES OR LUCE VEGETATION.
SO THEY MAY NEED TO TO LOOK SOME OF THAT UP IF THERE'S NOT A LISTED THERE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LANDSCAPING OF THE SCREEN? ANY OTHER TYPES OF INFORMATION WE THINK WE NEED AND LET'S THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING LATER, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THAT UP AT THE LAST MEETING? UH, JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON RENTING OUT ANY SPACES FOR GAME DAY PARKING.
OR IF YOU'RE THAT THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS I GUESS A BUSINESS USE OR PART OF, PART OF, I'LL LET TARA SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I GUESS I, I'M ONE TO GUESS I COULD GIVE YOU THE ANSWER.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE ANSWER.
WELL, I I'LL ASK YOU QUESTION.
ARE YOU GONNA, ARE YOU GONNA PUT A WHITE JACKET IN ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S CONCEPTUALLY IN THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
IS IT SOMETHING I THINK DOLLAR GENERAL IS OPPOSED TO AND ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BUT AGAIN, IF I'M WRONG, TARA WILL INTERJECT ONLY BECAUSE MEGAN MADE A GOOD POINT.
OUR IS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT STUDENTS HAVE BIKE.
YEAH, I, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST PROJECT IS IF YOU TELL US WE WANT, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY BEING NEXT TO A BIKE STORE.
AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW OTHER PROJECTS IN THE TOWN TO TRY AND, AND IMPROVE SOME OF THE BIKE LANES THAT PEOPLE GO IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
SO, SO IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
AND THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE A PLACE FOR STUDENTS ACROSS TOO.
ARE THERE 10 HEADS AT THAT CROSSING OR DO YOU KNOW THE RATED SIZE? I DUNNO.
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BECAUSE I, I I THINK I'VE TO, TO GO TO BILL'S RANGE.I THINK THAT'S PART WELL YOU WOULDN'T CROSS THERE THOUGH.
CROSS DOWN, CROSS THE OTHER PLACE.
YEAH, THERE'S A CROSSWALK AT THE ECC AT THAT LIGHT, RIGHT LIGHT.
YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S A CROSSWALK SO THERE'S GOTTA BE.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN THINK OF THAT WE MIGHT NEED BEFORE GOING FORWARD? WILL THERE BE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING? I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE PLAN.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE SIDEWALKS.
DO YOU MEAN IN FRONT OF THE ACTUAL LIKE BUILDING, IS THERE GONNA BE A SAFE ACCESS FROM THE SIDEWALKS AT SOUTHWESTERN TO THE BUILDING OR DO YOU JUST MEAN ON SOUTHWESTERN? ON SOUTHWESTERN THERE'S SIDEWALKS.
AND I'M HOPING THEY WOULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT SAFE TO GO FROM THE SIDEWALKS TO RIGHT.
WE JUST JUST HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT EXTENDS TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN A STRIKE, WALK WAY ACROSS THEIR PARKING LOT.
DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE? CAN WE CONFUSED? WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS.
DO YOU GUYS WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS? IS ANYONE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ON APRIL 7TH? NO.
YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROVE IT THAT NIGHT.
AT LEAST THAT A PUBLIC HEARING COULD BE INPUT FINALIZED THE, ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEN YOU COULD AUTHORIZE AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING TO APPROVE IT IF YOU'RE SET.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT? ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE THINK WE CAN WORK ON WITH THIS PROJECT TONIGHT? UH, JUST WANNA CONFIRM, 'CAUSE I MISSED THE FENCE STUFF BEFORE.
IS THERE A FENCE DETAIL SHEET IN THIS SITE PLAN PACKET? AND WHAT KIND OF PRIVACY FENCE WAS THAT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? A PRETTY FULL SET OF PLANS? UM, TAMMY'S CHECKING RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW IT'S LABELED SIX FOOT HIGH BOARD ON BOARD FENCE.
AND THAT'S JUST WOOD NOT PAINTED CORRECT OR WHITE STAINED WOOD COLOR.
I, I WOULD EXPECT THAT'S BOARD ON BOARD WITH ME.
IT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK, TO HAVE A DETAIL SHEET JUST BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENCES BACK THERE.
IF COULD PROVIDE A, A FENCE TYPICAL.
UM, SO THAT IF THERE IS QUESTION AFTER THIS GOES IN, WE CAN, IT'S, UM, IT'S PROVIDED, IT'S ON PAGE C 500, I BELIEVE OF THE PLAN SET.
CAN YOU, I BELIEVE IT'S PAGE 12.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FENCE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S BOOK.
IT'S A SOLID FOUR TO BOARD PRIVACY FENCE.
NO PEEKING THROUGH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THE BOTTOM.
SO WE'LL WANNA ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO GAPS AT THE BOTTOM.
SO GET THROUGH, WELL ACTUALLY YOU COULD WALK AROUND COMPLETELY PRIVACY SCREENING, SO ANYBODY NEEDS TO GET AROUND, BUT THEY CAN WALK AROUND.
THE DETAIL STATES THAT IT'S ONE TO TWO INCHES SPAC UNDER THE FENCE.
THAT BE A PRETTY SMALL, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
SO A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BROADWAY GROUP FOR APRIL 7TH.
SO WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SEVENTH.
AND I APOLOGIZE, DO WE ANTICIPATE IT BEING STILL UNDER THE SAME COVID PROTOCOLS VIRTUAL ALLOW FOR COMMENTS TO COME IN, IN A VIRTUAL CAPACITY AND THEN ALLOW US TO RESPOND ONCE THEY HAVE A COLLECTION OF COMMENTS.
AND, UM, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING DURING THE COVID PROTOCOLS, IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE OR NOT.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT YET.
UM, THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT THAT NIGHT.
BUT IF THERE ARE COMMENTS, WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN.
OKAY, SO FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ODOR.
STOP REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 15,373 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON VACANT LAND, LOCATED AT 5 1 3 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG AND WE'RE THE SURVEYORS AND ENGINEERS FOR THIS PROJECT.
LAST MONTH WE PRESENTED A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE BOARD.
WHILE THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE SEEKING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND REQUESTING A SECRET DETERMINATION BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED, IT IS A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
IT'S A WAREHOUSE OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED AT 51 39 SOUTHWEST AND BOULEVARD.
IT'S THE PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ABOUT EIGHT TENTHS OF AN ACRE.
UH, WE HAVE PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, JUST FIVE PARKING SPACES.
THERE'S EIGHT SPACES IN FRONT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UM, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WE HAVE ADDED LANDSCAPING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT WE'VE ADDED FOUNDATION, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE AND ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT'S LOCATED ABOUT, LOCATED 70 FEET OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY STORAGE.
THERE'S STORAGE BUILDINGS, UH, NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ITS OWN INDEPENDENT PARCEL, NOT PART OF THAT STORAGE AREA.
UM, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS GO ACROSS THAT PROPERTY THOUGH.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT FROM AERIAL OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, ODOR STOP IS A BUSINESS THAT, UM, THEY DEAL IN AIR PURIFIERS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE ODORS LIKE TOBACCO, SMOKE, ANIMAL, PET ODORS, MOLD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND MR. SCHMIDT HAS RETAINED, HAS RETAINED SU ARCHITECTURE.
I THINK THERE, YOU DO HAVE A DRAWING ON IT.
SU WE PROVIDED A DRAWING OF A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING AND A COPY, BUT ACTUALLY I THINK THOSE DEPICTED A LITTLE BETTER.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE SEEKING OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF CAN BE GRANTED TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER.
AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE FILING FEES AND THE BOARD, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR TRY TO.
EVERYBODY HAVE ANY CAN YOU, DREW, CAN YOU REMIND, IS THIS BUILDING, THIS BUILDING IS BIG ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT TYPE TWO? CORRECT.
SORRY, SHE ASKED IF IT A TYPE TWO.
NO, IT'S, IT'S AN UNLISTED ACCIDENT.
THE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
SO WE'LL BE DOING ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU DIDN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE I THE MEETING, I DON'T THINK, AND AGAIN, IT WAS A SKETCH PLAN OUT THE FULL APPLICATION.
WE DO HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU WANNA DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW OR JUST WANNA DO IT INTERNALLY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW.
I MEAN, ONE AGENCY THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED, POSSIBLY THE DOTI DON'T THINK THERE BE MANY OTHERS, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
THAT ACTUALLY DECIDE THROUGH COORDINATOR REVIEW OR DO IT IN HELP.
UM, DO THEY MANUFACTURE THE PURIFIERS THERE? NO, THEY'RE ONLY BROUGHT HERE.
UM, THEY'LL BE DELIVERED HERE.
THERE'S NO RETAIL SALES OUT OF THIS LOCATION.
UM, I DID TRY TO CHECK WITH, UM, MIKE SCHMIDT ON, UH, HOW MANY DELIVERIES HE ANTICIPATES A DAY.
I I HONESTLY THINK IT'S LESS THAN MAYBE 10 TRIPS PER DAY.
AND SO THEY RECEIVE, I BELIEVE MOST OF THEIR PRODUCT IS MANUFACTURED IN CHINA.
IT WILL BE BROUGHT TO THIS LOCATION AND DISTRIBUTED OUT OF THE SITE.
ARE THERE ANY CHEMICALS? NO, NO.
THEY'RE SO, SO IT'S JUST MACHINERY, BUT YEAH.
MOTORS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, BLOWERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT? THE SITE PLAN THAT I HAD PULLED UP HERE JUST HAD, UH, PLANTINGS LABELED ON IT, BUT NOT SPECIES.
CAITLIN, WE, UM, OUR, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE, A ARCHITECT ON STAFF.
HE IS NOT ASSIGNED THE SPECIES TO THESE YET.
WE HAD JUST SHOWN, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LAST MONTH, WE HAD SHOWN FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AROUND THE BUILDING.
UH, MATT IS TERRIFIC AT KNOWING REGIONAL PLANTINGS AND WHAT GOES WHERE AND PRETTY GOOD AT IT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ONE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
YOU HAVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING, BUT I THINK SOME LANDSCAPING, THE WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THIS A LITTLE MORE THAN
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CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK TOO.UH, IS THAT POSSIBLE? BECAUSE YOU, YOU'VE GOT PAVEMENT GOING ALMOST RIGHT UP TO THE SIDEWALK AND BEING THAT THIS ISN'T GONNA BE A, A RETAIL SPACE, UH, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PLANTINGS ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK.
I, I, I INTERESTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DECENT AREA.
THERE'S 70 FEET, AS I SAID, BETWEEN THE RIGHT.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE SPACE TO BACK UP.
SO, SO YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE STREET.
THAT'D BE, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO DOING THAT WITH THE BOARD.
YOU HAVE PUBLIC MONEY STEWARDS TO ONE SIDE A UH, KIND OF A VACANT LOT AND STEWART AND I DUNNO WHAT GOES ON THE PROPERTY ONE SIDE.
AND THEN THERE'S A BIG PARKING LOTS BEHIND WHATEVER THIS IS.
BUT I THINK, WELL THAT VACANT, THAT VACANT SPOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, ISN'T THAT OWNED BY THE SAME GROUP THAT, THAT HAS THE, THE DANCE CENTER AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE STARBUCKS AND, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE SECOND LIKE, BUILDING IS THE L-SHAPE.
AND THEN YOU GOT THE DRIVEWAY OVER THERE, RIGHT? AM I IN THE WRONG SPOT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT ISN'T, THAT SHOWS HERE, RIGHT? UM, MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THIS ONE.
NOW I CAN'T, THERE, THIS IS I BELIEVE PROPERTY OWNED BY, UH, RIGHT.
THIS IS OUR PETITION PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE DITCH THAT HE'S GONNA CLEAN OUT.
BUT I, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD, THEY CAME IN WITH THE MOVING OF THE DANCE CENTER AND PUTTING IN THE, THE STARBUCKS, ONE OF THE PLANS ACTUALLY HAD TWO BUILDINGS OVER IN THAT AREA THAT THEY ENDED UP TAKING OUT BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THEY WERE MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A ZONING CODE FOR IT.
BUT, UM, SO I THINK SOMETHING MIGHT END UP GOING THERE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, OR AT LEAST SOMEBODY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THOUGHT ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.
SO THE ONE THING YOU COULD DO TONIGHT IS IF YOU WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS OR THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK IT'S TWO WEEKS.
BUT YOU CAN SET A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, OBVIOUSLY GIVE THE DIRECTION YOU, YOU QUESTION ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
WE NEED A NICE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
YOU, YOU HAVE THE APPEARANCES OF THE BUILDING NOW.
UM, CAMMY WILL WORK WITH THEM, MAKE SURE ON THE, UH, ON THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF THIS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LESS THAN AN ACRE OF DISTURBANCE HERE.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING, I FORGET THIS ONE.
YOU'RE PUTTING A NEW CURB CUT.
YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING, WE'RE USING THE EXISTING CURB CUTS.
ARE YOU MODIFYING THOSE CURB CUTS AT ALL? UM, IF WE GET ANY INPUT FROM DOT, THEY'RE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY WELL PRONOUNCED AS FAR AS THEIR WIDTH.
IF YOU GET ANY, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA COORDINATE REVIEW, YOU GET ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR WHATEVER FROM THE DOT, LET US KNOW.
OTHERWISE I'LL REACH OUT TOKI TO MAKE SURE HE'S FINE.
ANYTHING THAT GOES ON, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT GOES ON ON SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, WE WANNA JUST MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.
AND, AND UH, FOR THIS ONE, I HOPING CROSS EASEMENT, UH, CROSS ACCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC STORE NEXT DOOR.
AND AS BILL WAS SAYING, THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE, I DUNNO IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE PLAN.
AGAIN, OVERTOP IS NOT A BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO SHOP FOR ONE BUSINESS TO THE NEXT.
RIGHT? WELL, THEY'RE NOT SHOPPING THERE AT ALL.
WE DO HAVE A DITCH THAT RUNS ADJACENT TO WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE EQUAL WITH ALL PEOPLE.
THE DISCUSSION LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS, AT LEAST FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? UM, I THINK HE HAS ABOUT SIX, SIX EMPLOYEES.
AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE SO MANY TRUCKS DELIVERED A WEEK, RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S 10 TRUCKS A DAY OR 20 TRUCKS A DAY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A, NOT A BIG GENERATOR AT ALL OF TRAFFIC.
PROBABLY A ONE TWO PEAK HOUR THING, RIGHT? THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE FOR THE DAY AND, UH, WHATEVER DELIVERIES COME IN, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE CURB STUDY EXISTING MODIFY THE LOCATION POSSIBLE.
SO DID WE DEFINITIVELY DECIDE THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE COORDINATED WITH YOU? I WONDER IF
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER IT ON SOUTHWESTERN SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WEIGH IN FROM DOT
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FORMALLY.UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT BAD PRACTICE FOR NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
TYPICALLY SEND IT OUT EVEN IF WE DON'T GET ANYTHING BACK.
I RECOGNIZE THERE'S NOT A LOT HAPPENING AT THE SITE.
THE CURB CUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FORMALLY REACHING OUT TO DO OT OR WELL, THERE'S EXISTING CURB CUT.
THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WE DO T OPPORTUNITY COMMENT.
SO, SO WE'LL DO A COORDINATED REVIEW AND THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL BECAUSE THINGS WOULD'VE TO BE BACK BY THEN.
YOU CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 7TH.
WE HAVE BEFORE THE SECRET COURT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SECRET LAW SAYS YOU SHOULD RECEIVE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC INPUT.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR PUBLIC INPUT.
SO WE'LL GET THE PUBLIC'S INPUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET MUCH OF THE PUBLIC INPUT HERE AND WE'LL GET THE AGENCY INPUT.
AND BY YOUR SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, WE POSSIBLY COULD MAKE A DECISION THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE SUGGESTING PUBLIC HEARING IN FIRST BEING IN APRIL, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BACK TABLE AND AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IT.
UM, I'M JUST NOTES, RIGHT? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT TIMEFRAME FRAME? I THINK THAT ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIMEFRAME.
SARAH CAN SET UP A COORDINATED REVIEW, I THINK THEN BY THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CALENDAR BREAKS IT, RIGHT.
COORDINATED REVIEW PERIOD SHOULD HAVE ENDED IF YOU GIVE THAT OUT.
BUT TO HAVE BUT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SEVENTH BEFORE YEAH, WE HAVE ALL THAT INPUT.
SO THEN, UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD DISCUSS ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT? RIGHT.
ARE YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO INSIDE? WHAT DO YOU DO INSIDE THE BUILDING? THEY JUST HAVE RACKS WHERE THEY STORE THESE THINGS.
NO, NO MECHANICAL, NO WORKING.
THEY JUST STORE THESE, THESE THINGS THERE.
IT'S KIND OF A HOLDING CENTER.
NOT A PRISON, BUT I PURIFIER PRISON AN AIR, IT'LL SMELL LIKE MYSELF.
I HAVE SOME OF THOSE SAME QUESTIONS MYSELF.
AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT NOBODY FROM STOP IS HERE BECAUSE A FEW DAYS AGO MY WIFE HIT A SKUNK WITH MY CAR.
I WAS GONNA ASK HIM IF I'M MAKING THE SNOW, BUT I GUESS IT'S PROBABLY BY AN AIRER WOULD BE THEIR ANSWER.
YOU'D BE THE ONE COMPLAINING IF IT WAS SO, SO BILL, YOU CAN DO A SINGULAR MOTION AUTHORIZING COORDINATED REVIEW.
SO THAT'S, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO BEGIN THE COORDINATED REVIEW FOR ODOR.
STOP AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL.
SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
I I HAVE, UH, ONE ITEM FOR CLIENT BOARD TONIGHT.
IT IS DREW, CAN YOU COME STAND CLOSER UP IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
UM, ROGER GIBSON ASKED ME TO TALK TO YOU GUYS.
HE HAD SOME CONCERNS OVER OUR APPROVAL OF THE, THE MR. SCHULTZ WHO DID THE, UH, WANTED TO DO HIS, UM, STORING OF VEHICLES FOR HIS TOWING THE TOWING SERVICE ON SOUTHWESTERN AT THE OLD, UH, UH, UH, PUTT PUTT PLACE.
REMEMBER THAT PROJECT FROM A FEW MONTHS AGO? YES.
WE HE BELIEVES WE MADE SOME ERRORS IN APPROVING THAT.
HE SAID, FIRST OF ALL, THE DRAWING DOESN'T SHOW THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SHOW HIM THE PLANS THAT WE SAID IT HAD TO BE A FENCE IN AREA.
BUT SHOULD IT BE SHOULD BE PAID, SHOULD IT BE GRAVEL, SHOULD WHOEVER IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE PLANS.
THE OTHER THING HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT RIGHT NOW HE JUST WANTS TO STORE VEHICLES ON THE SITE.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM REVIEWING THE MEETING NOTES AND FROM BEING HERE FOR THE PROJECT, THAT IT WAS ASSUMPTION THAT HE WAS MOVING HIS BUSINESS THERE, MOVING INTO THAT FRONT BUILDING IN THE FRONT AND THEN OPERATE AND PUTTING VEHICLES ON THAT SITE.
WELL, NO, HE THINKS THAT MR. SOTOS WANTS TO STORE HIS VEHICLES IN A BIG AREA IN THE BACK THAT WE HAVE NO DIRECTION ON.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A USE OF JUST STORING VEHICLES.
SO HE WANTS YOUR INPUT, HE WANTS TO KNOW.
MR. SCHULTZ TELLING HIM, LOOK, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A PERMIT.
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WE CAN'T JUST LET YOU STORE CARS ON THIS, WHICH HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW.STORE CARS ON THIS, ON THIS LINE.
SO WELL HAS TO BE PAID, I THINK.
BUT I SAID THE ASSUMPTION WAS THE ASSUMPTION WAS IT PAID.
UM, SO, AND I AND I TOLD ROGER THAT AND I EVERYBODY AGREE WITH BE PAVED.
IT SHOWS AS AN AREA WE DIDN'T REALIZE.
IT'S AN OLD, WHERE THEY HAD THE, THE GR THE THE CARPET OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S REALLY NOT A PAVED AREA.
HE WAS JUST GONNA PULL IT OUT AND IT'S ALREADY STORING VEHICLES OUT.
SO, SO WE, WE'VE DEFINITELY ASSUMED IT WAS GONNA BE PAVED.
SO THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE USE, THE USE AS AS HIM MOVING HIS BUSINESS TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BECAUSE THE TOWING STORAGE IS, HIS OPINION IS AN ACCESSORY USE OF A TOWING BUSINESS.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST, SO, SO IF HE LEAVES THE BUILDING EMPTY, THEN IS IT REALLY, HE, HE IS WORRIED THAT THAT'S NOT AN ALLOWABLE USE.
AND WHY IS HE GIVING HIM A PERMIT TO DO THAT? I THOUGHT HE TOLD US IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS HE WAS GONNA HAVE HIS OFFICE IN THE FRONT BUILDING.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I READ THE MEETING MINUTES WAS THAT HE WAS MOVING HIS BUSINESS THERE.
HE WAS GONNA MOVE INTO THAT FRONT BUILDING AND, AND THEN BASICALLY THE BIG SPECIAL USE PERMIT THING WAS HIS OUTDOOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES SO THEY COULD STORE HIS TOW TOW VEHICLES.
WE, WE CONCENTRATED ON THE, ON THE AREA TO STORE VEHICLES AND DIDN'T DO MUCH ABOUT THAT.
OH, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE INTO THIS, INTO THIS, UH, BUILDING.
BUT HE TOLD US HE WAS AT ONE POINT.
IT WAS IN THE MEETING INCIDENT.
WHAT, WHAT IS ROGER HOPING WE WERE GOING TO DO? BRING I'LL GIVE HIM DIRECTION.
WAS IT YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT HE COULD JUST DO PARKED VEHICLES BACK THERE A ON A PAGE AREA IF WE DIDN'T SHOW IT ON A PLANT, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE PAID.
GOTTA I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR.
UM, I I DON'T ARE WE GONNA MAKE HIM PUT AN OFFICE THERE? DO WE, SO WOULD STONE BE ACCEPTABLE OR ARE WE SPECIFICALLY SAYING ASPHALT? SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO BACK UP.
THAT'S WHAT MR. SCHULTZ IS ASKING.
UM, YEAH, WE, I MEAN WE'VE, I THINK STONE BE, EXCEPT WHAT MAKES MORE SETS FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE CRUSH STONE WOULD BE OUS AND ASPHALT WOULD BE IMPERVIOUS.
DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? KA WELL, UM, CONTRARY TO THE BELIEF, UH, CRUSHED STONE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE IMPERVIOUS THAN ASPHALT.
IT'S ONLY SLIGHTLY MORE IMPERVIOUS BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY DESIGNED, PART OF THE REASON THEY USE CRUSHED STONE IS BECAUSE IT'S SHARP EDGE AND MORE INTERLOCKING AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR LIKE, AS MUCH WATER TO GO THROUGH AS YOU MIGHT THINK, ESPECIALLY AFTER IT'S USED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND LOOSE MATERIALS OFF LIKE VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT FILLS IN A
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A GAIN IN
UM, PAVING TO GRAVEL, WE'VE ALLOWED STONE IN OTHER RECENT TOWING STORAGE AREAS.
WELL THERE'S BEEN OTHER FENCED IN SORT OF VEHICLE SOLD STONE WILL BE FINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE BUILDING.
SO YEAH, THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT AGREE WITH HIS OPINION THAT THE ASSUMPTION WAS HE WAS MOVING HIS BUSINESS THERE, HE WOULD NOT ISSUE A PERMIT AND SAY, LOOK, IF YOU WANNA JUST DO THIS, YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON JUST ALLOWING YOU TO STORE A VEHICLE THERE.
HE DOES SAID TO ROGER, I MEAN DEFENDANT MR. SCHULTZ, HE SAID, I'M EVENTUALLY MOVING MY BUSINESS THERE.
IT'S JUST, I'M NOT DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT ROGER LIKE, WELL HOW CAN I HOW DO THAT? HE SAYS HE HAS NO PLANS.
IF YOU GO IN THAT FRONT BUILDING, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OFFICE IN THAT FRONT.
THERE'S AN OLD, WE USED TO GO GET YOUR BALLS AND STUFF, THEIR PUTTER AND WHATEVER TO DO PUT, HE SAID THERE HAS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS UNDER THAT BUILDING.
AND OF COURSE ROGER ALSO SAID, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID SHOULD BE TAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT BUILDING.
SO WE JUST ASSUMED IT WAS, AND SORRY, WE, I I MESSED UP TOO.
WE JUST LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OH, HE IS JUST GONNA MOVE THE BUILDING AND FOCUSED ON, HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT ADDING THE FENCE.
WE TALKED, JUST TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO, SO WHAT WE, WE WANT WANT BRING HIM BACK AND HAVE HIM TELL US HIS PLANS FOR THE BUILDING OR NO.
IF HE SAYS I'M GONNA EVENTUALLY DO IT, DOES I THINK A TIME ASKING HIM FOR A TIME HE'S GONNA DO IT.
I MEAN LIKE, LIKE HE SAID, ROGER SAID, HE SAYING I'M EVENTUALLY DO IT.
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IF WE CAN PUT, IF YOU AUTHORIZE ME, I WILL WRITE A MEMO AS THE TOWN PLANNER BASICALLY SAYING I TALKED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.THE MEMO WOULD SAY IT WAS THE ASSUMPTION AND APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT THAT A, THIS AREA THAT WHERE THE CAR CARS WOULD HAVE IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S GRAVEL OR WHATEVER, BE A GRAVEL FENCED IN AREA HAS TO BE A GRAVEL FENCED AREA.
AND IT WAS THE ASSUMPTION AND IT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT HE WAS EVENTUALLY GOING TO, OR, OR ASPHALT THAT HE WAS GONNA MOVE HIS BUSINESS THERE.
IF ROGER WANTS TO PUT, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF HE ARGUING THAT HE CAN COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD OR WE CAN PUT A SAY, LOOK, WITHIN A YEAR YOU HAVE TO BE OPERATING YOUR BUSINESS THERE.
IT CAN'T BE JUST STORING VEHICLES THERE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS BECAUSE RIGHT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO JUST STORE VEHICLES ON THE SIDE.
SO THE STORAGE, THE, THE VEHICLE STORAGE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WHICH MEANS IT CAN BE REVOKED.
SO YEAH, I MEAN WE GIVE 'EM A YEAR TO MOVE BUSINESS.
I'LL SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, MAKE SURE THEY AGREE WITH THAT AND I'LL SEND THAT MEMO WITH THAT.
BUT ON THAT GIST BOOK, IT WAS OUR ASSUMPTIONS OR IT WASN'T ON THE PLANS THAT, THAT IS A ASAL OR GRAVEL PRESSURE STONE AREA FOR WITH A, A FENCED IN AREA.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THE CODE.
AND THE ASSUMPTION WAS HE WAS MOVING, GONNA MOVE INTO THAT BUILDING AND YOU SHOULD GIVE HIM A TIME, WE SUGGEST YOU GIVE HIM A TIME PERIOD TO DO THAT.
OR IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND WE'D HAVE TO RE-LOOK AT IT, WE'RE ASSUMING HE'S JUST GONNA MOVE IN THAT BUILDING.
IF HE'S GONNA DO AN EXPANSION TO IT OR WHATEVER, THEN HE'D HAVE TO COME BACK HERE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WE WERE ASSUMING HE WAS JUST GONNA MOVE HIS OFFICES IN THERE.
THAT'S WHEN I READ THE MEETING IS THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION.
AND I'LL SEND OUT THE, UH, MEMO BEFORE SO YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT IT AND GIVE ROGER, I AGREE WITH ROGER.
HE FELT REALLY BAD ABOUT BEING THE BAD GUY HERE SAYING, HEY, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE HERE.
WELL, WELL, RIGHT, BUT I MEAN I KNOW THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE CODE WOULDN'T LET YOU DO VEHICLE STORAGE RIGHT.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE PROCESS IS ROGER'S GOT, ROGER HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THE PERMITS.
SO, SO I KNEW THAT HE WOULD SAY IT HAS TO BE CERTAIN MATERIALS.
I SAID IT WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT HAS TO BE A, AN AREA, WHATEVER, BUT THEN THE ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT HAVING A BUSINESS, BUSINESS AREA.
I'LL WRITE SOMETHING TOGETHER.
SORRY THAT I KIND OF WORK WITH ROGER TO RESOLVE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 3RD MEETING.
SO MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK TO APPROVE THE MARCH 3RD MEETING.
MINUTES SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN BY MR. I DON'T JUMP THE, THERE THAT NO, YOU SHOULD.
MAKE A MOTION BY MR. SHE TO ADJOURN.
I THINK IF YOU MADE THAT MOTION AT EIGHT O'CLOCK PASSED.