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WHAT TIME DID YOU GET THE, UH, THING YESTERDAY? HEY, HOW ARE YOU? IT VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU.
HOW YOU FEELING? IT'S GOOD HANGING IN THERE.
WE COULD DO A ED, LET'S DO OLOGY.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE INSANE TONIGHT DOING MY REAL ESTATE.
HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WELL, THANK YOU.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WEAR MASK IN THE BUILDING.
THOSE TWO PEOPLE AREN SIX FEET APART.
THOSE TWO AREN'T SIX FEET APART.
I BELIEVE THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT'LL BE SOCIAL DISTANCE, NOT IN THIS BUILDING.
CAN WE OPEN SOME WINDOWS? GET SOME SWITCH LOTIONS? SURE.
YOU'RE TALLER THAN I'M NICE OUT.
I HAD TO PICK UP A FED RABBIT WALKED OUT.
HOW ARE YOU? CALIN, HOW ARE YOU? THAT BLAZER LOOKS SHARP.
WHICH REMINDS ME, I NEED TO PICK UP MY, OH, I DIDN'T BRING MY, I DIDN'T BRING MY BOOKS.
IS THAT ALL? YOU DIDN'T BRING YOUR WHAT? I BROUGHT MINE KIND SLACKER.
ARE YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
MAYBE JUST DO ME, JUST GO MAKE ME A COUPLE COPIES.
I'LL JUST BRING YOU ONE OR TWO COPIES.
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ARE UP NOW? UP NOW WE'RE GOOD.SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH A, OH, I'M JUST GONNA TRY AND GET THROUGH THIS BEFORE DREW GOT HERE.
ALRIGHT, WELL SIX O'CLOCK WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH THE SCOPE SESSION.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A, THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO, UH, YOU WANTED TO GIVE A TWO MINUTE PRESENTATION PLEASE? JUST REAL, NOT EVEN A PRESENTATION, JUST AN INTRODUCTION.
UM, MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING PROBABLY RECOGNIZE ME FROM WHEN WE WERE, UM, PRESENTING OUR MATERIALS VIRTUALLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT OF COURSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SCOPING SESSION.
WE'RE, UM, INTERESTED, UM, IN HEARING ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
THE MEETING ITSELF, OF COURSE, IS MANAGED BY THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND SO WE ARE HERE AS A PARTICIPANT JUST AS YOU ARE.
UM, WE DID PREPARE SOME MATERIAL, SOME SLIDES, MAYBE A HANDOUT.
UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PLANNING BOARD DOES AS WELL, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH, AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO HEAR, UM, THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE SCOPING AND ACTUALLY GET THE MOST OUT OF THE MEDIA AS WE CAN TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO GRAB OUT ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS THERE ON THIS TABLE UP HERE BY MR. RILEY.
UM, AND IT, IT'S THERE FOR YOU FOR YOUR USE IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT.
OTHERWISE WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL TAKE SOME GOOD NOTES.
WE'LL BE HERE AS A RESOURCE IF YOU NEED US.
UM, I HAVE FRANK, OUR MENTAL HERE FROM FISHER ASSOCIATES WHO IS HELPING US WITH THE, UM, SECRET EIS PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, WHILE I KNOW DREW HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF EXPERIENCE ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF MEETING OF MIND OR MEETING DISCUSSION, UM, WE HAVE BREAK HERE AS WELL TO PROVIDE A RESOURCE TO THE THANK YOU ALL.
UH, SO I GUESS JUST A, A REALLY BRIEF, THE SCOPING SESSION, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, IS SUPPOSED TO NARROW THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON AS THE PROCESS GOES THROUGH THE SEEKER PROCESS.
SO, UM, I THINK A LOT OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE PRIOR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN, YOU KIND OF SPREAD IT OUT REALLY, REALLY WIDE TO TRY AND CONSIDER ALL THE ISSUES.
NOW OUR GOALS GOING FORWARD ARE GONNA BE TO, TO NARROW THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD.
SO, UM, WITH THAT IT'S A, IT IS A PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
DREW, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, YOU CAN GO, I JUST WANNA SAY, 'CAUSE I BEEN SPEAKING NAMES, THEY ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT THE SCULPTING SESSION'S ABOUT.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS FOR THEM TO KIND OF TELL US WHAT THEY'D LIKE THE EIS TO INCLUDE AND THEY KNOW PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY CAN'T INCLUDE.
SO I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, RIGHT? SO THE MORE SPECIFIC OF THE, THE, UH, COMMENTS, THE MORE USEFUL THEY THEY WILL BE.
SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AT, UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? SPEAK.
SO PLEASE STATE YOUR HI FRANK, YOUR COME ON UP AND, AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
OH, UH, MY NAME IS FRANK PALUSO AND I'M HERE WITH DEBORAH TI WHO RESIDES AT 65 19 HEALTH ROAD.
AFTER REVIEW OF THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT, WE WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDERING THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION UNDER SECTION TWO, ITEM 2.4.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE WORDS DETRIMENT TO BE INCLUDED AFTER EACH MENTION OF THE WORD BENEFITS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE PLANNING BOARD CAN'T CONSIDER PROPERTY VALUATION, BUT IF
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BENE BENEFITS ARE TO BE PART OF THE SCOPE, THEN DETRIMENTS OF THE PROPOSED ACTIONS SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED UNDER SECTION THREE.SO I'M GONNA TRY AND TAKE SOME NOTES HERE.
WHAT SECTION WAS THAT? SECTION TWO, ITEM 2.42.
UNDER SECTION THREE, ITEM 3.1, 0.2, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE WORDING BE CHANGED TO PROPOSED ACTIONS COMPLIANCE AND NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF REGULATIONS UNDER THE C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UNDER SECTION THREE, ITEM 3.2, WE DON'T SEE ANY POSSIBLE WAY THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE LIGHTING IMPACT OF VEHICLES EXITING THE STORE FROM SHINING DIRECTLY INTO OUR RESIDENCE.
THIS IS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONTINUED NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO ALLOW A ROAD CUT ON ROUTE 20 AS PART OF THE SCOPE.
ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, UNDER SECTION THREE, ITEM 3.4 0.5, IF ANY PHOTOS OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED AND YOU'LL HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
SENT A COPY OF THIS ALREADY TO SARAH.
CONTINUING UNDER THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY PORTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE USING ALL NEW DATA, A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME NEEDS TO BE STIPULATED POSSIBLY OVER A 10 DAY PERIOD.
CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST STUDY WAS CONDUCTED.
IT SHOULD INCLUDE NOT ONLY TRAFFIC ON ROUTE 20, BUT ALSO ON HEALTH ROAD CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE FACT THAT THE EXISTING SCHOOL BUS STOP WOULD BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE.
THE SAFETY, OUR GRANDSON GETTING ON AND OFF THE BUS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO GIVE ANY COMMENTS? DID YOU WANT? NO.
WOULD YOU COME UP AND, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? MY NAME IS MARK LEY.
I LIVE AT 6 2 5 3 HEALTH ROAD, WHICH IS ONE 10TH OF A MILE EXACTLY FROM THE PROPOSED SITE.
I'VE LIVED ON THAT SECTION OF HEALTH ROAD FOR 16 YEARS AND WITNESSED A NUMBER OF TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE IDENTIFIED.
IT'S NOT JUST THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, IT'S THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE THERE.
THAT IS A CROSS CONNECT ROAD FROM ROUTE FIVE TO ROUTE 20 TO LAKEVIEW ROAD.
AS PART OF THAT CROSS CONNECT, YOU HAVE LOTS OF PASSENGER VEHICLES MAKING THAT ROUTE TO GET TO THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, TO GET TO THE TOWN OF EDEN AND OTHER POINTS BOTH EAST AND WEST.
I EASILY DRIVE THAT ROAD EIGHT TO 10 TIMES A WEEK AT VARIOUS TIMES.
THE TYPE OF VEHICLES IS CRITICAL.
IN THIS REVIEW, IN THIS SCOPING SESSION, YOU HAVE THE TOWN HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, WHICH REGULARLY SENDS TRUCKS, BIG TRUCKS, EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS DOWN THOSE NARROW ROADS.
THE WIDTH OF HEALTH ROAD IS A CRITICAL FACTOR TO BE CONSIDERED.
THERE ARE NO SHOULDERS TO SPEAK OF THAT ARE SAFE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE DUMP TRUCKS, CEMENT TRUCKS, HEAVY EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS ON THAT NARROW ROAD, PARTICULARLY THAT SECTION BETWEEN ROUTE 20 AND LAKEVIEW ROAD, I FEAR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND WHO TRAVEL THAT ROAD.
SO YOU NEED TO CONSIDER NOT JUST VOLUME, BUT THE TYPES AND THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE VEHICLES FROM THE TOWN HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, STILL GOING ON AT
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MURANO SUBDIVISION.ADDITIONALLY, IT'S NOT JUST THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND THE TYPE OF VEHICLES, BUT IT'S A CRITICAL SAFETY FACTOR WITH THE MURANO SUBDIVISION.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE NOW WHO USE THAT ROAD WITH BICYCLES, JOGGING, WALKING THEIR DOGS, AND PARTICULARLY IF ANY OF THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE RIDING THEIR BIKES, ARE HEADING TO THE NIKE BASE, WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG FACTOR TO CONSIDER WITH YOUR TRAFFIC EVALUATION THAT DURING THE SUMMER, PARTICULARLY THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC FROM THE NIKE BASE AND TO THE NIKE BASE HAS TO GO DOWN, HELPS ROAD IF YOU'RE CROSSING TOWN.
SO THOSE ARE THE FACTORS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS A GAS STATION THERE AT ONE TIME.
AND WHILE I HAVEN'T DONE AS WELL AS FRANK AND I IDENTIFYING THE SECTIONS, UM, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PUT MY COMMENTS TO THE CORRECT SECTIONS.
AND FINALLY, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MY HISTORY AS 24 YEARS AS BEING IN CHARGE OF THE TOWN'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WORKING ON TWO DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS, AND THERE IS A NEW UPDATE IN PROCESS.
AND THE MAIN FUNCTION UNDER WHATEVER ARTICLE IT IS IN THE SCOPING SESSION, TALKS ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, THE ZONING, AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE CHARACTER OF THAT COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAREER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND AS A RESIDENT FOR 50 SOME YEARS WAS FOR THAT AREA TO REMAIN RURAL IN CHARACTER.
AND WHILE THERE'S A LITTLE GLITCHY THING THAT ALLOWS SOME COMMERCIAL IN THERE, AND I'M SURE THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED MORE IN THE NEW MASTER PLAN UPDATE THAT YOU HAVE, THE, EXCUSE ME, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A PLANNING BOARD IN YOUR SCOPING SESSION TO CRITICALLY LOOK AT THOSE FACTORS THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP AND THAT OTHERS ARE BRINGING UP AND ADDRESS THE CHARACTER OF THAT SECTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF HEALTH ROAD AND ALL OF THE RURAL PART OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I HOPE TO BE BACK AGAIN ANOTHER TIME AFTER YOU'VE NARROWED DOWN THE SECRET PROCESS.
BUT JUST PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE SEEKER IDENTIFIES AND REQUIRES YOU TO GIVE A CRITICAL LOOK TO THESE FACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD WITH THE ADVICE AND THE HELP OF YOUR STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER HAS RIGHTS, BUT YOU HAVE THE MAIN RIGHT TO CARRY OUT THIS REVIEW AND THIS DOCUMENT.
SO PLEASE PUT YOUR BEST EFFORT INTO THIS, YOUR MOST CRITICAL EFFORT AND REMEMBER YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE OUTCOME.
WE ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY FOR THE THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT.
UM, A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A DOUBLE LOT.
THE, AND, UM, THE LOT THAT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE, THIS PROJECT IS A LOWER LOT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES AND THE BUILD AND ADDING THE BUILDING IN THE PARKING LOT WILL IMPACT MY LOT BY CAUSING STANDING WATER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RETENTION POND WILL BE THERE WITH THE IDEA TO, TO, UM, ADJUST FOR THAT, BUT THAT PROPERTY IS HIGHER THAN MY LOT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT I WILL HAVE STANDING WATER WITH, WITH THAT CHANGE.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NOISE FROM THE AIR CONDITIONER, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED FIVE FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THE LOCATION OF THE STORE IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO OUR PRO OUR PROPERTIES, AND THERE WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE COULD BE AN IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO SELL OUR HOMES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AS MARK MENTIONED, UM, ABOUT THE GAS STATION ON THE CORNER IN THE LATE FIFTIES, A GAS STATION WAS LOCATED ON THAT PROPERTY.
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ABOUT POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY, NOT KNOWING IF THE FUEL STORAGE TANK IS STILL BURIED THERE OR IF THERE ARE OTHER, UH, HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION.UM, MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL DISRUPTIONS TO OUR DAILY LIVES WILL OCCUR IN THE, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR NOISE AND DUST AND VIBRATION DUE TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF OUR HOUSES.
ANYONE ELSE THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS? CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UH, EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
UH, MY NAME IS PATRICIA PLACE.
UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE ON, UM, ROUTE 20 JUST UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE YOU ARE PROPOSING THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
AND, UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO SELL A HOUSE AND I THINK OUR PROPERTY WOULD BE A PERFECT PROPERTY, UM, TO MAYBE PUT THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
I LIVE AT 7 3 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND UH, IT'S A HOUSE.
WE HAVE ALMOST AN ACRE LAND AND, UH, THERE'S 10 EFFICIENCY APARTMENTS BESIDE US, WHICH THE OWNER, HIS NAME IS VINCENT, I DON'T KNOW HIS LAST NAME.
AND HE'S TALKED TO MY HUSBAND AND SAID HE'D BE WILLING TO, UH, HIS INTEREST IN SOME OF THE EFFICIENCY APARTMENTS.
SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, I THINK MY HUSBAND SAID ALMOST THREE ACRES OF LAND THAT, UH, AND IT'S OWNED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AGRICULTURAL.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT, AND I JUST THOUGHT THERE'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEAR, LET'S SEE, WE'RE NEAR TOWNLINE ROAD, BUT THERE'S BUSINESSES, THERE'S UM, SWANS, UH, WHETHER THEY SELL THE FROZEN FOODS, THERE'S A SAND GLASS IN PLACE THERE, THERE'S A CONCRETE PLACE THERE.
AND NOW WE HAVE TWO, UM, BLACKTOP COMPANIES, LANDIN AND BALOO.
AND, UH, I IT IS JUST A SUGGESTION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE WORTH, UH OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY RESIDENTS ON THIS PROJECT? WHAT ABOUT, OH, OKAY.
I LIVE AT 6 5 4 7 HEALTHS ROAD.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ALREADY SPOKEN OF EXCEPT FOR THE CONCERN OF THE ANIMALS.
WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF DEER THAT TRAVEL THROUGH THE YARDS AND ONE OF THE SAFETY ZONES FOR THEM, UM, FOR CROSSING 20 OR, UH, LAKEVIEW IS THE TRIANGLE BECAUSE MOST OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WOODED.
SO I I, I'D HATE TO SEE THEM ALL GET DISPERSED AWAY FROM OUR HOMES 'CAUSE WE DO ENJOY 'EM.
WE'RE RURAL, UM, OR WORSE HIT ON THE ROAD.
20 IS HORRIBLE FOR HITTING DEER, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO IT'S JUST A CONCERN, UH, UM, FOR MYSELF AND FOR OTHERS IS THE ANIMALS.
ANYONE ELSE? THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO HASN'T SPOKEN, RIGHT? YEAH, SHE'S YOUR FRIEND.
SO JENNIFER, WHAT ABOUT EMAILS WE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS LEADING UP TO THIS? THEY'LL BECOME PART OF THE FILE.
SOME OF THE EMAILS WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF, A LOT OF THE EMAILS DON'T, DON'T ADDRESS THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, RIGHT? I I THINK THERE'S SOME YEAH.
BUT THEY GO TO THE OVERALL INITIAL FILE.
THEY JUST AREN'T PART OF THE SCOPING PROCESS.
NOT PART PROCESS OF THE SCOPE.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT, YEAH, YOU MEAN AS PART OF THE SCOPE, PARTICULARLY SCOPING PROCESS, EMAILS ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT I'M, WHAT I, I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER ONE WHERE A, A PERSON TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND NONE OF THE RESIDENTS TODAY BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT I, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF THE EMAILS WE GOT LEADING UP TO THIS DID BRING THAT UP.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I'M SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT, RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENT.
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I, I CAN ADD TO THAT.PLANNING BOARDS, IT'S A BALANCED PROCESS.
THE WHOLE SECRET PROCESS IS SCOPING.
THE ORIGINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
BASED UPON THEIR UNDERSTANDING, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE EVERYTHING, NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT, OUR POSITIVE DECK, ALL THE, ALL THE MATTERS THAT WERE BEFORE THE BOARD OVER THE LAST SIX PLUS MONTHS AND FINALIZE THAT SCOPING DOCUMENT BASED UPON THAT MATTER OF RECORD.
AND THIS IS JUST AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE SPECIFICS OF A, OF A SCOPING DOCUMENT, RIGHT? WE DON'T EVEN LEGALLY HAVE TO DO THIS.
AND THEN BEYOND THIS, IT'S A BALANCED PROCESS.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DONE BY THE APPLICANT.
AND PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY WHEN I DO THIS, WELL, WHY ARE YOU LETTING THE APPLICANT DO THIS? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TRY TO PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM.
WELL, IT'S A BALANCED PROCESS.
THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT, ON THAT DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND THEN THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY HAS TO PRODUCE A FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO THEY THEN CAN COMMENT BASED UPON THE COMMENTS THEY RECEIVED AND ANSWER ANY SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED.
AND THEN THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS BALANCED.
THE DEIS, THE DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE FDIS IS BALANCED TO MAKE A FINDINGS, WHICH IS THE BOARD'S DECISION.
THE APPLICANT GETS TO PRESENT THEIR INFORMATION IN THAT DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD GETS TO PRESENT THEIR SIDE AND THEIR INFORMATION AND THE FDIS AND ANSWER ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED AND THEN MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THE RECORD.
AS, AS JENNIFER WOULD TELL YOU, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF ANY PROCESS, IS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED UPON THE RECORDS THAT THAT'S THERE.
ALSO, I'M SORRY, ALSO YOU CAN ADD CONCERNS TO THE LIST.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST STICK, I, I GAVE YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, I STARTED TO PUT MY IDEAS FOR THE SCOPING DOCUMENT.
YOU HAVE TO BEGIN TO ADD TO THAT.
YOU CAN ADD IDEAS THAT WERE NOT HEARD TONIGHT.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF BOUNDS.
BUT, UH, BUT MOST OF IT IS WITHIN A POSITIVE OBJECT.
JUST HAS TO IDENTIFY AT LEAST ONE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHICH WE DID.
THERE COULD BE MORE THINGS THAT ARE EVALUATED IN THAT EIS BASED UPON THE RECORD.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL RECORD TO SAY WHY THIS PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE, IN THE CASE OF AN IMPACT STATEMENT, MITIGATE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL.
SO IT'S AN, IT IS AN INTERESTING PROCESS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES, BUT IT IS, IT'S A BALANCED PROCESS THAT GIVES THE PLANNING BOARD THE ABILITY TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO MOVING FORWARD, THE NEXT, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING COMMENTS THROUGH FRIDAY.
THEN AT YOUR NEXT MEETING YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, ACCEPT OR WHAT'S THE WORD? THE, THE FINAL SCOPE, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH JENNIFER AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GET YOUR COMMENTS SO WE CAN START FINALIZING THAT DRAFT OF THAT DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE I'M SURE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT THE MEETING ON THE 22ND AND WE 20, NOT 22ND, 16TH 16TH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS ADOPTED BY THE 22ND.
I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE SOME TIME 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND WHATEVER.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET YOU A DRAFT.
I'M SURE AT THE MEETING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAYBE TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ADOPTING AS THE FINAL SCOPE.
AT THAT MEETING BOOK BOOKS, WE HAVE TO CUT OFF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BY FRIDAY BECAUSE THERE'S TIME LIMITS.
WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT THE THING TOGETHER.
UM, SO WHAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER THAT TO INTEGRATE THOSE COMMENTS AND PROVIDE HER COMMENTS SO THAT SARAH CAN COMPILE THEM AHEAD OF THE RIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN INTERNAL THING WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
I WOULD SAY ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO, IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEND IT IN AN EMAIL, BUT PUT IT DIRECTLY IN THE DOCUMENT WITH DREW ON IT, IF YOU WITH TRACK CHANGES PERHAPS.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT DRAFT WILL JUST BECOME PART OF THE FILE.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT HOPEFULLY BY NEXT FRIDAY, THIS COMING FRIDAY.
BUT FRIDAY TRY TO GET ME AS MANY AS YOUR COMMENTS AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE THAT TRIAL TO RIGHT.
UH, SARAH AND I TO PUT THAT NEXT DRAFT TOGETHER IN THE FINAL FOR YOU HOPEFULLY TO BE PREPARED FOR.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME DISAGREEMENTS ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO RESOLVE THOSE IN THE PUBLIC VENUE.
WE CAN'T RESOLVE THOSE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS AND FINALIZE OF THAT FINAL SCOPE.
SO, I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO DIFFERENCES, WE COULD ADOPT SOMETHING AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
IF THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AND WE CAN'T COME TO A RESOLUTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEN WE'D HAVE TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING.
YOU'D TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR 6 22.
UH, THE LAW IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THE SECRET LAW LAST TIME IS THAT THEY MANDATED SCOPING, BUT THEY GIVE, DID GIVE A TIMELINE.
60 DAYS FROM THE TIME THE APPLICANT.
WE CAN'T BEGIN THE PROCESS THAT THEY SUBMITTED THE SCOPING DOCUMENT.
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IT ON APRIL 22ND.IF WE DO NOT, THEIR SCOPE BECOMES THE FINAL SCOPE.
SO THE, WHAT I COULD DO TOO IS, UM, I'M NOT DONE WITH LAST MEETINGS MINUTES YET, BUT I CAN PUT THAT ASIDE AND MAYBE TOMORROW COMPILE A LIST OF WHAT HEARD TODAY AND THEN SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, I MEAN THIS, THIS HAS A, A DEADLINE THAT WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH THAT SHOULD SUPERSEDE THE OKAY.
SO THE DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC CONFIDENCE THIS FRIDAY.
AND I'LL, I'LL EMAIL IT OUT TO SARAH AND I WILL TRY TO GET OUT TO YOU BY MONDAY KIND OF WHAT WE HEARD AND TRY TO PUT IT IN THE DOCUMENT.
I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENT I GAVE YOU ALREADY.
'CAUSE THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS BASED UPON READING.
WE WILL ADD SOME OF THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY THE WHOLE WEEK TO ADD YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND WHATEVER.
SO WE CAN TRY TO HAVE A DOCUMENT READY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AT THE MEETING ON THE 16TH.
I'LL GET YOU WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT.
TOMORROW I'LL DO THAT FIRST NIGHT.
THAT WAY YOU CAN START IN HERE.
I THINK WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IS THAT? MONDAY.
SO, SO I JUST, I THINK 60 DAYS WE SHOULD COUNT.
I THINK 60 DAYS IS THE 21ST OF JUNE, NOT THE 22ND.
'CAUSE THERE'S 31 DAYS IN MAY.
WHICH, WHICH PUTS US, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, I MEAN REALISTICALLY WE'D HAVE TO HAVE, IF WE WERE GONNA DO A SPECIAL MEETING, IT WOULD'VE TO BE THE FRIDAY BEFORE.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE JUST TWO DAYS AFTER REGULARLY.
WHAT? LET'S TRY TO GET IT DONE ON THE 16TH.
WELL, YEAH, WE'LL TRY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW AND LAYING OUT THE PROCESS SO WE CAN AT LEAST TRY IF WE JUST WAITED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO PEOPLE HAVE THAT WOULD PUT US BEHIND THE CALENDAR? SO QUESTION AFTER THE JUNE 4TH DEADLINE FOR THE COMMENTS.
NO MORE PUBLIC INPUT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE REST OF THIS.
JUST ON THIS DOCUMENT, WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, ALL THE STUDIES WE'RE ASKING FOR, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT AND A TIME PERIOD TO COMMENT ON THAT DOCUMENT SO WE CAN GET COPY AND OH YEAH.
AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO COMMENT ON THAT DEIS BECAUSE YOUR COMMENTS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO IF YOU SAY, HEY, I DISAGREE WITH THIS STUDY, OR I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS RESULT OF THIS, OR YOU DIDN'T DO THIS CORRECTLY.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO RESPOND TO IT AS LONG AS IT'S SUBSTANTIVE.
YOU ASK US CORRECTLY WHY, WHY IS THE SKY BLUE? RIGHT? IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIVE TO THE ISSUE.
BUT IF IT'S SUBSTANTIVE TO THE ISSUE, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN THE FDIS.
SO YOU'RE CHARGING THEM WITH ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS VERY IMPORTANT ON THE DRAFT.
YOU'LL BE A PART OF ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND THAT AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO HOLD THIS ONE.
IT'S OPTIONAL WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO HOLD ONE OF THE SCOPING SESSION.
THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS PART OF THE SECRET PROCESS IS REQUIRED BY THE LAW.
IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE CAN, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE HAVE TIME TO COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, WELL I THINK THAT IS IT FOR THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES BEFORE THE WORK SESSION, SO, UM, WE WANT TO SWITCH OUT THE ROOM OR WHATEVER WE WANNA DO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE DENNIS I TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE SPACE WHILE WE WAIT? OR DO YOU WANT SURE.
I, SO, UH, DENNIS AND I WENT OVER TO THE SENIOR CENTER TO CHECK OUT WHAT HAD BEEN FILLED IN THIS SMART ROOM.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST A CLASSROOM THAT HAS A VIDEO HOOKUP, UH, THAT YOU CAN CONNECT A COMPUTER TO A SCREEN THAT'S MOUNTED ON THE WALL AND IT'S SMALL.
IT'S PROBABLY SMALLER THAN HALF THIS ROOM.
SO I THINK WITH COVID IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BETTER OPTION.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BETTER OPTION IN SOME WAYS, REGARDLESS.
THE SENIOR CENTER'S MUCH EASIER TO GET INTO AND OUT OF PHYSICALLY.
THERE'S NO STAIRS NOT GOING INTO THE BASEMENT.
BUT THE CAFETERIA HAD A REALLY NICE PULLED OUT SCREEN AND WAS A DECENT TIGHT SPACE.
SO THIS HAVING OTHER THINGS IS TO CONSIDER POTENTIALLY WHERE THERE'S A LARGE THING WE CAN GET A PROJECTOR IN.
UM, AND IT'S MORE, UH, ACCESSIBLE.
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EDUCATION TEACHERS THERE WITH THEM ALL DAY TO PROVIDE THAT.UM, AND THEN THROUGH NEW YORK STATE, WE CONTRACT THROUGH THE COUNTIES AND THEN WE HAVE CONTRACTS THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO FRONTIER AND HAMPER, WE HAVE A TON OF KIDDOS.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, THIS GOING IN DERBY KENTON IN GRAND ISLAND.
AND SO THE KIDDOS ARE GETTING BUSED FROM HAMBURG AND FRONTIER, YOU KNOW, 30, 45 MINUTES, SOMETIMES AN HOUR DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC.
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IS WHY WE WANTED TO DO IT IN HAMBURG CLOSER TO THESE DISTRICTS WHO MAY HAVE SO MANY KIDS THAT WE'RE SERVICING.SO IT WOULDN'T QUALIFY AS LIKE A
AND IT'S NOT JUST LIKE MUSIC AND ART THERAPY.
THERE'S MAYBE MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO IT THERE.
UM, IT'S, BUT IT'S LIMITED TO FIVE HOURS OKAY.
AND THEN, I MEAN EVEN THE, I PULLED UP THE 44 10.
IT SAYS PRESCHOOL, RIGHT? YEAH, IT UP TOO.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE WAY WE'RE GOING.
I MEAN THEY, THEY, WE'LL DO TRY TO GET THEM A VARIANCE ON JULY 6TH, THEN BRING 'EM BACK ON THE SEVENTH.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THESE RULES TO FOLLOW.
PEOPLE COME IN AND RIGHT AWAY THEY WANT TO GET A VARIANCE.
MY FEELING IS WE'RE HERE, SOMEBODY LAID THESE ZONING AND THESE REQUIREMENTS OUT AND EVERY TIME WE COULD, SOMEBODY COMES HERE, WE SAY, GO GET A VARIANCE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO IT.
SHE CAN APPLY FOR A VARIANCE IF THEY WANT, LEMME FINISH.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR THE DAYCARE.
SO I I IF IT SAYS THEY NEED SO MUCH RECREATION AREA FOR KIDS, SOMEBODY DID A STUDY SOMEWHERE, SOMEBODY SAID, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED AND YOU FOLLOW THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T DO IT.
IS THIS THE SAME PLACE THAT'S, UM, ARE, ARE YOU OPERATING EXISTING RIGHT NOW OFF ROUTE FIVE? THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, INDIVIDUALIZED THERAPIES THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM THERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE DIFF THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU DO THERE.
YEAH, AND I HAD A EXCUSE MYSELF ON THIS, BUT I'M WANNA MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT.
IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TO BRING UP THE ISSUE THOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON.
THAT'S WHAT VARIANCES ARE ABOUT.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY A DAYCARE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY A NURSERY SCHOOL.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE A SCHOOL DOING MEDICAL STUFF.
BUT WE HAD TO PUT 'EM IN SOME CATEGORY.
SO THERE'S NO PERFECT CATEGORY WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE SAYING, WHETHER IT'S NURSERY OR ANY OF OUR CODES.
THE PROBLEM WITH CODES IS THERE'S ALWAYS INTERPRETATION.
JENNIFER GOT INVOLVED WITH, WITH THE, WITH ROGER.
ROGER WAS LEANING ALMOST TOWARDS JUST SAYING, HEY, JUST GIVE 'EM A SITE PLAN WAIVER, CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, A MEDICAL FACILITY.
SO NORMALLY I WOULD AGREE AND I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT NORMALLY I AGREE.
ZONING CAN BE BLACK AND WHITE.
BUT THIS CASE, IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY FIT UNDER.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA HAVE TONS OF KIDS.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE JUST GETTING THERAPY.
THEY'RE NOT HAVE TO HAVE TONS OF KIDS OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, SIX, EIGHT HOURS A DAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE TO THE ZBA.
THAT'S WHY ZBA GIVES VARIANCES IS WHEN SOMETHING IS UNIQUE AND THE CRITERIA DOESN'T QUITE FIT.
THEY CAN GIVE A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
AND IF THEY WERE TRULY JUST, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
IF THEY WERE JUST A MUSIC AND PHYSICAL THERAPY BUSINESS, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE AT ALL.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY DON'T QUITE FIT THE CATEGORY OF A SCHOOL AND THEY DON'T QUITE FIT THE CATEGORY OF A NURSERY SCHOOL AND DAYCARE CENTER.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE THAT EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE TOO.
SO IT'S JUST THEY DON'T QUITE FIT INTO ANY PERSPECTIVE PER SPECIFIC PARTNER.
THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AGREES.
THEY'RE IN, THEY DON'T QUALIFY WITH WHAT THEY ARE.
AND WELL THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I, I'M LOOKING AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SET THESE CODES, WE DO THESE THINGS AND THEN SO IT SAYS, WELL, I I'LL GO GET A VARIANCE.
AND IF THE STATE OR WHOEVER COME UP WITH THE RECREATION AREA SAYS THAT THESE CHILDREN NEED THAT MUCH RECREATION AREA, WHO ARE WE TO SAY NO, THEY DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M SURE SOMEBODY SAID THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.
WELL THAT'S PROBABLY THE QUESTION THAT THE ZBA WILL ASK WHEN THEY GO IS WHERE DID THIS COME FROM AND HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS NUMBER? AND THAT'S ONE THING IF YOU HAVE ZONING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ABILITY OF AN APPLICANT BECAUSE ZONING BY ITS VERY NATURE IS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS, WHO'S TO SAY HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK OR 15 FOOT SETBACK OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE NOT SET IN STONE.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE SITUATION THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION UNIQUE ISSUES.
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SAYING, AND I AGREE, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE ISSUE.WE COULD FIT IT UNDER, WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IT UNDER CERTAIN CATEGORIES.
IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
IT JUST DOESN'T FIT UNDER CATEGORIES.
AND MOST MODERN ZONING CODES ARE GETTING AWAY FROM LISTING SPECIFIC USES.
BUT JUST SAYING INTENT OF THE DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T, AS PLANNERS OR ENGINEERS OR ANYTHING, PREDICT WHAT USES ARE GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE.
THIS USE PROBABLY WASN'T THOUGHT ABOUT FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IT IN THE BEST WE CAN.
AND THEY'VE TAKEN THE MOST CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
THE NON-CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WOULD BE JUST ISSUE 'EM A SITE PLAN WAIVER AND GIVE 'EM A BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT WE SAID, HEY, LET'S GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND MAKE THE PROJECT A BETTER PROJECT.
AND THROUGH YOUR WORK THEY'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL THINGS.
THEY'VE MADE SURE THEY HAD ENOUGH PARKING.
THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THEY CAN'T QUITE MEET AND CAN THEY GET A VARIANCE FOR THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, AND I THINK I WOULD, I THINK WE WERE THE ONES THAT, THE TOWN WAS THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH A RECREATION REQUIREMENT.
WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER WE THOUGHT WAS LEGITIMATE FOR NURSERY SCHOOLS AND DAYCARE.
SO PEOPLE, KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY.
THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION.
IT'S NOT A TYPICAL NURSERY SCHOOL WHERE I DROP MY KID OFF IN THE MORNING AND PICK THEM UP AT NIGHT AND WHATEVER.
AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS PROGRAMS BEING RUN BY THE, THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND, AND GRADE SCHOOLS AND WHATEVER RIGHT.
IT'S JUST I REALLY SHOULD BE TALKING BECAUSE I'M, IT'S NOT I WAS GONNA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER SPECIALIZED NEEDS DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T NEED OUTDOOR SPACE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR BEARINGS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN THIS GOES TO THE BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD, THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT SOME OF US ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY GO IN THERE AND SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD'S ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL WITH IT.
NO, THEY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW TYPICALLY HOW THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS ABOUT A PROJECT.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE YOU ARE, YOU CAN GO AND MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL IF THE ZONING BOARD MEETING DENNIS.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I'M, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S OVERSTEPPING MY BALANCE.
SO ANYWAY, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO HOLD.
OKAY, EVERYBODY ELSE? READY? OKAY.
NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS TO OPERATE A PRESCHOOL SLASH DAYCARE FACILITY AT 3 6 7 4 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE, UH, FOR OR AGAINST BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS THERE ANY LINE? THERE ARE NO ONLINE, BUT BENJAMIN COLLETTA SAYS, WHY IS THE AGENDA NOT ON THE WEBSITE ANYMORE? SO I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE JUST HAVING SOME I IT PROBLEMS NOT JASON, BUT OTHER IT PROBLEMS. OKAY.
SO SOME PEOPLE SEE THAT THE CURRENT AGENDA AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
OH, THAT'S WEIRD THAT YES, WE HAD THAT PROBLEM.
I HAD PROBLEMS THAT I REPORTED THIS TOWN GETTING ON.
IT WAS ALL THE ONLY JASON AGENDA IT WOULDN BRING UP JASON.
UM, SO BEING NO COMMENTS, UH, ONLINE, NO COMMENTS IN PERSON.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS VIA EMAIL? UH, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DO YOU WANNA PUT IT ON FOR JULY 7TH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD ON JULY 2ND.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS TO JULY 7TH.
I, I NEED TO GIVE MYSELF A SECOND.
SO AS I SAID EARLIER, JAY MILLIGAN WON'T BE HEARD TODAY.
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TODAY.SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF THE 67 LOT SUBDIVISION.
WHY IS CHICK-FIL-A NOT THAT WE LEFT THE MEETING? THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS LEFT OPEN AT THE LAST MEETING ON CHICK-FIL-A.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE ON THE AGENDA? IT'S NOT.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA CONTINUE UNTIL THE WE IT HAS TO, WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
SO DID WE ADDRESS, OH, SARAH'S NOT ADDRESS.
WE, WE WILL ASK HER BECAUSE I I WE CAN'T CLOSE THE HEARING UNTIL IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
RIGHT? WE CAN'T CLOSE THE HEARING UNTIL IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
HEY, THE CHICK-FIL-A, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT? WE, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE BUSY TONIGHT SO WE DON'T WANNA HAVE IT ON TONIGHT AND THINGS ARE WORKING OUT REALLY WELL TONIGHT FOR US.
SO
DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO LOCATED IN THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
SEAN HOPKINS FROM THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS.
GEORGE MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
DAVE MANKO, WHO IS ALSO WITH US HERE THIS EVENING.
AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOODMORE.
UH, ONE OF THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS WHETHER OR NOT PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES, ET CETERA HAD BEEN USED HISTORICALLY ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, MR. MAKO DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE PERSON WHO'S BEEN FARMING THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT THE PAST 15 OR 16 YEARS.
GARY HARLOFF, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DATED JUNE 1ST AND SAYS TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE HAS BEEN OVER 15 YEARS SINCE THE LAST TIME ANY FERTILIZERS, PESTICIDES, ET CETERA, HAVE BEEN USED ON THE LAND.
BASICALLY HE'S BEEN USING IT FOR, UH, THE GROWTH OF ORGANIC CROPS AND IN FACT WE GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO DO THAT THIS YEAR IN RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S JUNE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IN A POSITION TO START CONSTRUCTION ANYTIME IN THE REAL IMMEDIATE FUTURE.
THE OTHER TOPIC WE DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY DURING LAST MEETING, THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO TOPICS.
NUMBER ONE, UH, THE PLAYING BOARD TOOK THE TIME TO GO OVER A DRAFT OF PARK TWO, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE COMMITTEE WORKING COLLECTIVELY.
I THINK WHERE WE LEFT THAT OFF WAS IT WAS JUST A DRAFT.
I DO WANNA, UM, EXPRESS APPRECIATION THAT CAITLYN PROVIDED ME WITH A DRAFT OF THAT.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WAITING FOR THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT TO GET FINALIZED OR AT LEAST FINALIZED ENOUGH THAT THEN WE CAN SUBMIT A RESPONSE TO THOSE ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS.
SO WHENEVER THAT PROCESS IS DONE, UH, WE WILL THEN PREPARE A COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE.
SECONDLY, WE DISCUSSED AND PRESENTED A CLUSTERING PLAN AND THE BOARD, I BELIEVE AT LEAST SAID, HEY, IT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING WE'RE WORTH, WORTH CONSIDERING OR WILLING TO CONSIDER.
UH, CHRIS WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MADE SOME CHANGES TO THAT PLAN BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED DURING THE MEETING.
AND I DID SUMMARIZE THAT IN A LETTER TO THE BOARD BOARD DATED MAY 27TH.
SO LET'S JUST HIGHLIGHT ON THE CHANGES QUICKLY.
UM, NUMBER ONE, THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, WHICH CONSISTS OF 14.65 ACRES.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHERE IT IS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
AND THEN ALSO CONSISTS OF THAT LANDAL ALONG PARKER THAT WE'RE FORMER PROPOSING SIX LOTS.
SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY LOST SIX LOTS.
ALL THAT LAND WILL REMAIN IN ITS NATURAL STATE, MEANING IT WON'T BE MOWED MANICURED YARD.
WE'LL LEAVE THE VEGETATION THE WAY IT IS AND TRY AND MAINTAIN AREA.
ARE YOU PROPOSING TO LEAVE IT ALL OF ALL OF IT SO IT'S, BUT EVEN BUT THE WHOLE THING WE'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A MANICURED YARD, CORRECT? RIGHT.
WELL I JUST WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NATURAL STATE AS OF THE LAST TIME I DROVE BY WAS JUST PLOWED LAND, SO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NATURAL STATE.
NO, I THINK AF AFTER, AFTER WE PLANT WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA PLANT GRASS OR WHATEVER IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GROW AS OPPOSED TO BEING MOWED.
I THINK WHAT YOU SUGGESTED LAST TIME YOU PREFER THAT COMPARED TO SEEING IT BEING A MANICURED YARD SUPPOSED TO BETWEEN, SO YOU COULD BE MORE LIKE TIPPED WHERE IT JUST YEAH, YOU GOT IT.
AND AGAIN, IF THAT'S NOT THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD, IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WE'RE FINE EITHER WAY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
WE'D RATHER HAVE IT REMAIN IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY EASIER, YOU KNOW, BE MOWING IT, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME VEGETATION WILL GROW AND OF COURSE CHRIS IS SHOWING THE EXISTING TREE LINE WHERE IT IS THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED.
AND THEN WE ARE GONNA SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH A LOT OF LOT OR A LOT OF ONSITE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'VE SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH ALONG THAT WE'VE PREPARED A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
BUT WE WOULD RETAIN THE SERVICES OF BOB WALTER WHO'S A LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND HE WOULD PREPARE A LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH THE PLANTING SCHEDULE.
AND OF COURSE WE TRY AND USE UH, NATIVE VEGETATION PER THE TOWN'S APPROVED CREW LIST.
SECONDLY, UH, WE ARE SHOWING THE ONSITE RECREATIONAL TRAIL, WHICH
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ALSO DOES PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT TO THE ADJACENT GLEN WESZEL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AS WELL AS UH, OFFSITE TOWN PROPERTY.BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE LENGTH OF THAT RECREATIONAL TRAIL ON ONSITE IS 3,800 LINEAR FEET.
SO IT'S FOUR FIFTHS OF A MILE.
WE THINK IT WILL PROVIDE A NICE WALKING OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE ARE SHOWING AGAIN THE CONNECTION TO WETZEL.
SO BOTH THESE PROJECTS, UH, WOULD HAVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
I THINK WE'RE FINE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY WE WERE ASKED TO COME UP WITH A CALCULATION FOR THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS WERE EXCLUDED.
AND KEEP IN MIND CHRIS' SIZE THESE AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE CHRIS, AS LARGE AS THEY WOULD BE RIGHT, MEANING THEY MAY BE SMALLER, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, BUT IF YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE 2.1 ACRES THAT HE IS SHOWING FOR THE TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS, THE RESULT IS THAT WE HAVE 13.2 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO WE STILL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN FINALLY WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER CAN WE PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF NATURAL VEGETATION RIPARIAN BUFFER ALONG THE DITCH THAT BISECTS THE SITE.
UH, CHRIS AND I HAVE BOTH REACHED OUT TO SCOTT LIVINGSTON OF EARTH DIMENSIONS.
HE'S WORKING ON A LARGE PROJECT OUT OF THE AREA, BUT HE SAID ABSOLUTELY HE WOULD PROVIDE INPUT.
SO WE CAN DO THAT ALONG THAT DITCH.
OBVIOUSLY THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME INPUT FROM THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, BUT I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE REPRESENTING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE'RE BACK TO OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
IF ULTIMATELY THE BOARD DOESN'T FEEL THAT'S PREFERABLE, WE'D GO BACK TO THE AS OF RIGHT LAYOUT.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD NOTE, AND I KNOW YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS, I THINK THE NEARBY RESIDENTS, THEIR OPINION IS THEY WOULD PREFER THE CLUSTERED LAYOUT, THE 13.1 ACRES.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL 13.2.
SO WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL? IS IT, WELL, 50% WOULD BE 14.65 AND 13.2 IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
YEAH, 48% IS PAST LIKE BEING LEFT.
48% OF THE TOTAL SITE SITE IS PERMANENT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING OFFICE OF THE WE CELL SITE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD ASKED FOR AT THE LAST MEETING AND SAID A COUPLE TIMES WAS ABOUT THE RIPARIAN BUFFER AREA.
AND I WAS HOPING TO SEE MORE DOCUMENTATION ON THAT HERE TODAY OR A SCHEDULE FOR THAT.
BECAUSE I THINK PART OF PLACEMENT OF BURNS AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE BURNS IS KIND OF COUNTER TO WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SEE.
WE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT, THAT THAT WAS A CONDITION AND, AND DAVE CAN SPEAK TO IT, WHEN, WHEN THE GUY AGREED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, HE WANTED SOME KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN THIS AND THE REMAINING PROPERTY.
SO WE WERE GONNA TALK TO THE LANDOWNER AND SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY DO IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK WHERE WE DO HAVE ROOM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE PROPERTY THAT DAVE WAS BUYING.
SO BECAUSE IT WOULD SERVE, SERVE SAME PURPOSE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT EXTENDS ON NOT JUST ONE, BUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT, THAT DITCH AND THAT'S SURROUNDING WETLAND.
WE JUST HAVE, WE HAVE MORE ROOM ON THIS SIDE TO PUT THE BERMS. IF, IF HE DOES STILL WANT THOSE, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S VEGETATED WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE BERM.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T MIND IF WE HAVE A BERM ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE, OF THE DISH SONGS, WE'RE PROVIDING THE ARIAN BUFFER.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AN APPROPRIATE WIDTH, THEN YOU HAVE RIGHT.
AND WOULD HE ACCEPT LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF A BERM? IT WAS DAVE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? COME ON UP.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DAVE, I KNOW PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT WAS THAT? IS WANTING TO PRESERVE, PROVIDE A BUFFER ALONG THE PROPERTY THEY RETAIN YES.
INCLUDING THE BERM WITH LANDSCAPING.
THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK LANDSCAPING BY ITSELF WITHOUT A BERM MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE? I GUESS LANDSCAPING'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
MEAN VEGETATION, SOME SORT OF VEGETATION JUST YEAH, VEGETATION.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT ON THIS SIDE.
AND MAYBE NOT DO A BERM, JUST DO SOME TYPE OF PLANNING.
YOU WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE WITH THAT.
SO HOW MUCH SPACE IS BETWEEN THE, THE JURISDICTIONAL AREA AND THE PROPERTY LINE? BUT IT VARIES BUT I MEAN, I, I MEAN UP UP HERE IT'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED AND SOME FEET.
DOWN DOWN HERE IT'S PROBABLY 150, ALMOST 200 FEET DOWN HERE.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? NARROWEST POINT, IT'S 10 FEET THAT, THAT'S JUST IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE THEN.
THEN IT WIDENS OUT AS YOU GO EAST AND WEST.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT CHRIS DID THERE ACTUALLY DID NARROW THAT BERM AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE THOSE ANYWAY.
BUT WE WERE JUST MAKING SURE THAT
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WE WEREN'T TOTALLY REMOVING THE ASPECT THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY ABOUT PROVIDING SOME SCREENING.WE WERE GONNA KEEP SOME OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION HERE AND THERE'S A BIG TREE THERE.
WE WERE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THAT.
I I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A BIG WILLOW TRADE.
AND OBVIOUSLY HIS BARN IS OVER IN HERE TOO.
I KNOW I ALREADY TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION ON IS ONE OF THE POINTS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR CLUSTERING IS THAT I GUESS I WOULD ENVISION THESE AS BEING NOT TYPICAL CLUSTERING LOTS IN WEST NEW YORK AND THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY THAT SMALL.
UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE R THREE ZONING IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE SHOWING LOTS THAT ARE 11,000 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM AND THEY HAVE A DEPTH OF 140 FEET.
SO CHRIS ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH FOUR SEPARATE LOT DETAIL PLANS.
SO THESE WERE JUST FINALIZED TODAY.
BEFORE YOU DO THAT, CAN I, CAN I GO BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, OF COURSE.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE IS THAT FOR THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING SOMETHING MORE NATURALIZED, THIS HABITAT MM-HMM
THE OVER BY THE OTHER STORMWATER POND.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, IS THAT WE WOULD NEED SOME SORT OF A HABITAT OR SITE PLAN, LAND LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE ANGRY BECAUSE THERE'S TICKS OR WHATEVER OVER THERE.
SOME SORT OF PLAN FOR MAINTAINING VEGETATION OR SOMETHING THAT'S CLEAR SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE HOA DOESN'T JUST ALL DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GONNA MOW IT, THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY WANT WHATEVER.
WELL I MEAN I ENVISION ULTIMATELY WHERE I'M GONNA PUT A DEED RESTRICTION TO PREVENT THAT FROM OCCURRING.
BUT, UH, SO I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST KIND OF COMPLETELY LETTING IT GO.
IT'S GONNA NEED SOME SORT OF TYPE OF, WE'RE GONNA NEED A FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THE FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WE'LL LANDSCAPE LONG TERM MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THAT AREA THAT WITH THE HOA OKAY.
AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE REASON WE HAVEN'T DONE A LANDSCAPING PLAN YET IS I GUESS WE WANT TO SEE IS, IS THIS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF WASTING TIME AND MONEY.
AND AGAIN, FOR FULL ENFORCEMENT LIKE WE DID IN THE OTHER ONE, YOU MAY WANNA PUT A CONSERVATION AGENT IN THE NAME OF THE TOWN.
SO TOWN DOESN'T WANNA OWN THIS, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION IS GONNA OWN IT, BUT IN CASE SOMEONE GOES DO SOMETHING, WE LEARNED OUR LESSON AT THE UH, BRIARWOOD WHERE IT WAS A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WAS SHOWN A PLANT, BUT THERE WAS NO CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AFTER 10 YEARS THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT AREA ANYMORE AND THEY JUST TOOK IT ALL OUT.
SO THE TOWN HAD NO ENFORCEMENT POWERS OVER IT.
SO YOU WOULD WANT SOME ENFORCEMENT POWERS BY SAYING IT'S A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
TYPICALLY WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THE TOWN IS THE TOWN HAS THE RIGHT BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION.
SO LANDSCAPING PLAN AND A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
AND A MAJORITY OF AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH SO THEY CAN START SPENDING THE MONEY TO PRESENT THAT STUFF TO US.
I THINK WE NEED, I'M JUST SAYING I NEED MORE INFORMATION THAT CONSISTENT PLANS.
BUT LAST TIME BEFORE GOING HERE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT? PURPOSE OF THE OPEN SPACE IS, AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IMPORTANCE OF THE OPEN SPACE IS A TRY TO PROTECT THE RURAL CHARACTER ALONG EXISTING PARKER ROAD.
B, PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION AREAS TO THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL USERS AND C, WHICH I THINK WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING A GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS THIS STREAM CARD OR THE MAXIMUM SPEND POSSIBLE TO PROTECT THAT CARD.
WE WOULD PUT LOGIC OF WHAT THIS OPEN SPACE APP, REMEMBER THE ARGUMENT BEFORE WAS THIS IS NOT GONNA BE DEDICATED TO TOWN FOR RECREATION USES AND WHATEVER THIS OPEN SPACE HAS A PURPOSE TO IT.
IS THAT PURPOSE ACCEPTABLE TO THE PLANNING BOARD? SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO ADD TO THE FOUR FIFTHS OF THE, THE FOUR FIFTHS OF A MILE OF TRAIL.
IT HAS A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN, WHICH IS SO SOMETHING THAT HAS TO OCCUR IN ORDER FOR, AND I LIKE THE IDEA BECAUSE IT ALSO IS MINIMIZING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, WHICH IS FOR A COUPLE OF THEM COMMUNITY CHARACTERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ESTABLISHED AND THE OTHER ONE WAS PROTECTION OF THAT STREAM CARD.
SO WE'RE DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THAT STREAM CARD.
AND IT'S ALSO KEEP IN MIND IT'S OVERALL IT IS RESULTING IN A REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MEANS LESS STORM WATER RUNOFF, YOU KNOW, RESULTING IN LESS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF THE TOWN.
SO THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT I THINK ARE BENEFICIAL.
I'M GONNA WANNA KNOW GOING FORWARD TOO, THE PERCENTAGE THAT'S OPEN SPACE OF THE USABLE AREA.
'CAUSE THE NUMBER YOU QUOTED, ME INCLUDED, LIKE THAT 13, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT CALCO RIGHT NOW IF SOMEONE HAS A WELL, BUT YOU CAN'T COUNT THE STORM WATER AREA.
ALL IT WOULD BE IS THE, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO BE TAKEN OUT OF
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THE WHOLE LOT SIZE.WE HAVE 13.2 WAS THE NUMBER ONE.
13 IS RIGHT, BUT IT'S 13.2 OUT OF THE WHOLE LOT OF USABLE SURFACE.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT ANY LAND THAT ARE DEEMED LIKE UNUSABLE THAT YOU WELL RIGHT.
THAT'S HOW THE AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT'S HOW THE REQUIREMENT COMES ABOUT.
THERE'S A FORMULA, YOU TAKE OUT THE WILDLAND AREA, TAKE OUT THE DITCH AREA, YOU TAKE OUT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA, AND THEN YOU, YOU COME UP WITH A ADJUSTED TOTAL GROSS AREA.
THEN OF THAT 50% IS REQUIRED TO BE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S, WELL THAT'S ALL I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS EXACTLY WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE WORKING WITH.
YEAH, IT'S ALL, IF YOU HAVE THE BIG PLAN, IT'S ALL BROKEN DOWN IN THE CHART RIGHT THERE.
SO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A STICKING POINT LAST TIME, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO PROGRESS FURTHER IF WE WEREN'T MEETING THOSE EARLY REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S WHY CHRIS PUT THE CALCULATION RIGHT ON THE PLAN.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEAL 11 BY 17, BUT IT'S THAT IT'S THE RIGHT HAND OF THE TWO SITE DATA TABLE BOXES.
AND IT, IT REFERENCES THE CODE SECTION THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS WHERE ALL THOSE CAME FROM.
SO THOSE 2.1 ACRES ARE SUBTRACTED OFF THE TOP CORRECT.
PLUS THE WHITELANDS CORRIDOR LONGER 0.644.
AND THEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU WERE GOING TO SHOW US MOCKUPS OF, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE, WE PULL IT UP A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
WE'LL, MINIMAL ELECTRONICALLY TOO.
WE JUST GOT 'EM DONE LAST COUPLE DAYS.
SO I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WE'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SOME CLEARLY DEFINED SETBACKS.
SO WHAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT IS COMFORTABLE THAT THERE'LL BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR RIGHT PEOPLE TO DO THINGS WELL, WE HAVE, AND, AND THIS IS THE MOCKUP, THIS IS THE BIGGEST MODEL THAT WE INTEND, WELL NOT, NOT WE, BUT THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT WITH ALL THE OPTIONS ON IT WITH THE WIDER HOUSE, WITH THE, WITH THE PATIO, WITH THE SUNROOM.
AND IT ME, IT, IT FITS ON THE SMALL SLOT.
IT'S EIGHT AND A HALF FOOT SETBACKS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND WHAT I DID IN THE BACK IS I PUT A 12 BY TO 12 SHED.
SO YOU CAN KINDA GET AN IDEA IF SOMEONE WAS TO PUT A SHED IN THE BACKYARD.
THERE'S STILL, FROM THE, FROM HERE TO THE FIVE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK, THERE'S STILL BETWEEN 15 AND 55 FEET ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT MOCKUPS.
ON THE HERE YOU MEAN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? YES.
BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
TO THE FIVE FOOT REAR YARD ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK.
WOULD THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE POSITIONS? PERMITS? THEY HAVE TO GET PERMITS TO DO THAT.
THEY'D HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE.
WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO TO THEIR PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO GET INDIVIDUAL PERMIT.
IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A SHED, THEY'D HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
POOL, THEY'D HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
YOU, YOU DON'T OVERRIDE THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE WORST CASE.
BUT, BUT OUR GOAL IS, SO WHEN THEY, WHEN PEOPLE THAT BUILD HOUSES IN THESE LOTS, IF THEY GO IN, IF THEY GO YEARS LATER TO GET THOSE PERMITS, ROGER CAN SAY, YES, YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THIS THING THAT YOU WANT.
OTHER THAN SAYING NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT AND THEN HAVE THEM YELL AT 'EM.
LEMME JUST POINT OUT TO, AND THESE AREN'T SMALL HOUSES.
THIS IS A TWO STORY HOUSE WITH ALL THE OPTIONS ON IT.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A SMALL HOUSE AND YOU STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO.
YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU STILL HAVE A HUGE BACKYARD.
YOU STILL CAN PARK A CAR IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE WITHOUT EXTENDING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE DRIVEWAY? THE DEPTH OF THE DRIVE? THE, THE, THE GARAGE SET AT THE FRONT STEP BACK.
TO THE RIGHT OF WAY PLUS THE EXTRA TO GET TO THE ROAD.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND MANY PREVIOUS CLUSTER LAYOUTS, NOT ONLY AGAIN IN HAMBURG, AND I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF ONE LAST OR COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IS, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, WE'RE LEAVING ADEQUATE SPACE FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A USABLE BACKYARD.
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS THE BIGGEST, WHAT'D YOU SAY? OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOL.
MAYBE YOU MIGHT SHARE IN YOUR NEIGHBOR, MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN THE OPEN SPACE.
BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE WORST CASE FOR DRAINAGE.
THIS IS THE WORST CASE, BIGGEST MODEL WITH ALL THE OPTIONS.
I DO HAVE THREE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE SMALLER INTENDED MODELS ON THERE TOO, WHICH WE'LL SUBMIT 'EM AND YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO THE MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT AS PART OF OUR CONDITIONS, IS THAT THE MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZE WOULD BE 2,500 OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, WELL THAT 2,600 SQUARE FEET, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO SQUARE FEET.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO SETBACKS.
AND LOCK COVERAGE AND, AND ALL THE STANDARD STUFF.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS STORIES CLUSTER.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF ANYWAYS.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PARTICULAR BUILDER.
SO IF DAVE'S DEAL FELL THROUGH, THIS ACTUAL FOOTPRINT MAY CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA RESTRICT THE SQUARE FOOT.
THAT'S WHY WE WANNA HAVE SET SETBACKS.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, YOU WERE HERE AT THE
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LAST MEETING.THERE'S THE ISSUES WITH PART OF THAT OTHER CLUSTER THAT TRANSFER TO HIT HANDS MORE THAN ONE TIME IS THAT THE TYPE OF HOUSE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED IS NOT BEING NEW THERE.
AND PART OF IT IS THE SIZE AND WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IS IN ADDITION, LIKE THOSE LOTS ARE WAY SMALLER THAN OURS ARE.
AND THE, AND THE BIG DIFFERENCE ON THAT ONE IS THE PERMANENT AND I WASN'T INVOLVED THE ORIGINAL, THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY ON THE LOTS.
AND THEN SO YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDES, THE CLOSEST ANY TWO HOUSES FROM LIKE HOUSE TO HOUSE, SAY MY HOUSE TO KAITLYN'S HOUSE WOULD BE 17 FEET.
'CAUSE IT'S 18 OR EIGHT AND A HALF IN EACH SIDE.
IF YOU BUILT TWO OF THESE WITH ALL THE OPTIONS, NEXT, NEXT TO EACH OTHER WOULD BE 17 FEET.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY TWO, TWO FEET ABOVE THAT.
WE'D AND, AND WE WOULD AGREE AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THOSE SETBACKS, NOT 15 SIDE YARD SETBACK ON AN INDIVIDUAL LOT, BUT BETWEEN THAT AND THE TRUCTURE, THE DECENT LOT 17 FEET COMBINED, EIGHT AND A HALF FOOT MINIMUM PER SIDE.
AND THAT'S REALLY A GUNTER TO GUTTER, RIGHT? THAT'S YEAH.
MINIMUM DRAWING BETWEEN UNITS IS 15 FEET.
BUT IT CAN BE REDUCED TO 12 BECAUSE SPREAD CORE SYSTEM.
AND WE'RE SAYING WE, YOU SET THAT IN THE CLUSTER.
SO REMEMBER YOU WILL SET THAT IF YOU TELL ME YES, THESE ARE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THEY CAN'T GO IN AND SAY, HEY, CODE ALLOWS ME TO GO TO THIS OR THAT.
YOU WILL SET THE REQUIREMENT IN THE CLUSTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE STRONG POINT YOU HAVE IN THE CLUSTERS.
I'M, I'M CURRENTLY BUILDING ONE NOW AT THE VILLAGES OF MISSION HILLS.
AND BEFORE I CAN MOVE FORWARD, AFTER THE FOUNDATION IS IN, I HAVE TO GIVE THEM A SPECIFIC UM, SURVEY SHOWING THE EXISTING PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE BUILDING.
AND I GOTTA HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF FOOTAGE BETWEEN BEFORE I CAN EVEN MOVE FORWARD.
YOU DON'T EVEN GO VERTICAL TOW YOUR CANNOT, THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T ALLOW YOU TO GO VERTICAL SURVEY.
THEY HAVE TO INSPECT THIS FOUNDATION.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE INSPECTIONS THAT'S GIVEN 'EM AN AS-BUILT SURVEY OF THE FOUNDATION.
SO KEEP IN MIND ON THE CLUSTER, THAT'S ONE OF THE POWERS YOU HAVE IS YOU'RE GONNA SET, THERE'S MINIMUM IN THE CLUSTER THAT'S MINIMUM YOU GUYS CAN SET DIFFERENT THAN THE MINIMUM.
WHAT HE'S OFFERING YOU IS DIFFERENT.
LOT SIZE, DIFFERENT MINIMUM SETBACKS.
YOU CAN SET THAT IF YOU HAVE A A CONCERN, YOU CAN SET THOSE.
WE ARE SAYING UNEQUIVOCALLY, CHRIS AND DAVE, I'M WRONG.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD BE 11,000 FEET.
WHICH IS COMPARED TO THE CODE IS 5,000 FEET.
SARAH, DO YOU THINK THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD GIVE US A NUMBER THAT THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THE BACKYARDS TO GIVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO PUT THINGS? MM-HMM
WHAT WE'LL DO, SARAH IS FORWARD YOU THESE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD.
I'LL PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THIS FIVE FOOT BACK.
THEY CAN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SCALE IT.
THIS, THIS TRAIL THAT YOU SAID, UH, JOSH MM-HMM
YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT SURE WHETHER THAT CAN BE PUBLIC USE OR JOHN.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT BEING PUBLIC.
DO WE DO NO, I KNOW GLEN DOESN'T ON HIS PORTION, SO I THINK THAT'D BE FINE.
SO I THINK WE'D ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE TRAIL IS GONNA CONSIST OF.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S DIRT AND HOW THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
I THINK IT'LL BE, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE ECHO DIRT.
I THINK IT'D BE WOOD CHIPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE ASSOCIATION WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
ONCE WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT INVOLVED, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON ON THAT STUFF.
AND I KNOW IT WOULD GO FROM NO, BUT FOR THE FRONT ENGINE, THAT WAS ONE OF MY, AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT DOING FRONTAGE LOTS ON THIS.
UM, WERE YOU PLANNING ON THE CODE REQUIRES UNLESS THEY WAVE, WERE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS OR PUTTING IN A PATH OR SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY OBVIOUSLY WALKS ON THE STREET 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
WERE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING SOMETHING OUT THERE OR IS THERE GONNA BE FOR PARKER? FOR THIS? FOR PARKER.
NO, I I MEAN IT WOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
I DON'T THINK WE AS A, JUST A STANDALONE SEGMENT.
WELL WOULDN'T IT, WOULDN'T IT GO RIGHT BACK INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT THOUGH? YEAH.
BUT YOU COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU USE THE TRAIL.
WHY WOULD THE TRAIL, WELL, YOU COULD USE, YOU COULD USE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVEWAY.
I MEAN THAT THAT COULD BE A, BUT ANYWAY, I'M, I'M SAYING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER DRIVEWAY TO THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT UNLESS THE PLANNING BOARD WAVES IT.
PLANNING WORKERS ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
WE WE'RE, WE PARKER ROAD NOW IS WITHOUT FUN LOTS.
SO YOU COULD HAVE ROOM TO PUT SOMETHING, BUT AGAIN, IT'LL GO FROM NOWHERE TO NOWHERE.
BUT IF WE CAN COLLECT, CONNECT SOME OF THE TRAIL OR SOMETHING.
WELL, AND BUT WE'RE, IF WE ALWAYS BUILD THINKING IT'S GOING NOWHERE THEN WE NEVER HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT GO ANYWHERE.
IF WE ALWAYS SAID NO SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND WHILE THAT LOT ON, AND IT COULD BE A PATH ON PARKER OR OR BIG TREE ROAD, THERE IS NOT, IS GONNA REMAIN AS IS NOW AT SOME POINT SOMEONE MAY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE OR OTHERWISE DEVELOP THAT PARCEL.
AT WHICH POINT THE EXISTING OR
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THESE ARE ZONE, THE ZONE COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT, IS THERE ZONE COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT? YEAH.SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS.
AND THERE'S ALREADY PROPOSED SIDEWALKS I BELIEVE WITH THE ADJACENT WETZEL.
SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY A SMALL AREA THAT NOT CONNECTING.
I THINK WE DO WANNA KEEP IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OBVIOUSLY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE DO HAVE A ROLL OF EXISTING TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA YEAH.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA MATCH WHAT, WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN PARKER ROAD, IT'S KIND OF NICE LOOKING.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THAT FIELD.
HAVING SOME FRONTAGE LOTS, BUT THEY'RE BIGGER, YOU KNOW, BUT NOT, NOT JUST LOTS UP AND DOWN THE ROAD THERE THAT LIKE RIGHT.
KEEP SOME OF THE CHARACTER THERE.
WELL I THINK THE CLUSTERING DOES THAT 'CAUSE THERE NO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
NO HOMES ON THE FRONTAGE AND I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO, BUT THE ISSUE OF SIDEWALKS IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT? WHETHER IT'S PATHWAYS, SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER.
YOU GOTTA MAKE SOME DECISION ON IT.
UM, MARK, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT PERIOD BUFFERS? DID I SAY IT RIGHT? YEAH, YOU SAID IT RIGHT.
THOSE ARE A COUPLE POINTS OF INTEREST THAT THE CAB HAS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE STORM WATER RUNOFF INTO RUSH CREEK BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, RUSH CREEK IS LISTED AS THE 3 0 3 D WITH HIGH PATHOGEN AND HIGH PHOSPHATE LEVELS.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT THERE'S NINE OTHER MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT PUSH IN THE RUSH CREEK.
AND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT YOU'RE ALL BUILDING WITHIN SPECIFICATION.
BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE NINE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS ALONG WITH CLARK STREET, MCKINLEY IN SOUTHWESTERN AND A REAL WET SEASON, YOU TURN RUSH CREEK INTO A RAGING LITTLE WATER WATERWAY AND THE STORM WATER, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE STORM WATER THAT INUNDATES THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING BLOWN OUT.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT PUMPS ALL OVER TOWN PUMPING SANITARY SEW INTO THE STORM WATER SOURCE SYSTEM, WHICH GOES INTO RUSH CREEK, WHICH GOES INTO HEADWATERS OF LAKE ERIE WATERSHED, WHICH END UP INTO WOOD LONG BEACH.
AND IT IS BEEN PROVEN, IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED.
NIAGARA RIVER KEEPERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND THERE'S NOT A POINT SOURCE OF ALL THE POLLUTION, BUT IT'S JUST ALL THE ADDED STRETCH ON THE LAKE ERIE WATERSHED ALONG WITH THE RUSH CREEK CORRIDOR.
BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE SANITARY SEWER PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A COSMETIC LAWN SPRING.
SO WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THAT IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL, ALL YOUR LAWNS AND GRASS THAT WE USED TO HAVE, AND YOU TAKE AND SUBJECT IT TO ALL THESE BIG SUBDIVISIONS WITH THE CONCRETE, THE BLACK TOPS AND ALL THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL GOING INTO THIS DETENTION RETENTION PONDS, WHEN THEY GET RELEASED INTO RUSH CREEK, IT HAPPENS TO KILL ALL THE MARINE LIGHT THAT WAS THERE BECAUSE OF THE PESTICIDES AND HERBICIDES.
AND IT DOES A BIG EFFECT ON THE MARINE LIGHT.
BECAUSE I'M A BIG FISHERMAN AND DOWN BY THE MOUTH OF RUST CREEK AND LAKE HERE, THE BIG WALLEYE SPAWNING AREA.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OUR CAB WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK ALL THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE BIG COMMUNITIES COMING IN, HOW DO WE MITIGATE AND RESTRAIN THESE BIG RETENTION DETENTION POND? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ALONG WITH THE RIPERIAN BUFFER ZONES TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE STORM WATER ON OUR DRINKING WATER? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY RECREATION WATER, IT'S THE BEACH AND IT'S OUR DRINKING WATER THAT'S BEING AFFECTED BY ALL THESE BIG MASS SUBDIVISION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE THE RETENTION DETENTION THEN WHAT'S THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE PROBLEM ON THESE IS THAT WE HAVE 'EM THAT ARE 10 OR 12 YEARS OLD WHERE THEY'RE JUST SOCK FULL OF CATTAILS SOCK FULL OF SILTATION.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING IT UP TO 2021 STANDARD? CAN WE MAKE A FILTRATION SYSTEM TYPE, UH, RETENTION POND WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THESE BIG UGLY CATTAIL PONDS THAT ARE FULL OF FROGS.
AND SO I THOUGHT CATTAILS THAT CLEAN THE CHEMICALS OUT OF THE WATER.
AND THE ACTUAL FILTRATION PARTS, YOU'RE TO A CERTAIN POINT, THE BIO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THEY, THEY'RE BUT I MEAN THE BIO RETENTION AREAS THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO BECAUSE DC REQUIRES THEM, IS PART OF THE FILTRATION THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE RETENTION BASE.
IT'S NOT JUST STORING THE WATER.
AND THOSE BIORETENTION AREAS ARE THE PARTS THAT ACTUALLY GROW THE CATTAIL AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE WATER TENDS TO SIT IN THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
AND I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE CR I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONTRARY, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO LEARN HOW WE CAN DO THIS.
IT WAS THE CAB'S IDEA ORIGINALLY FOR THESE RIPERIAN BUFFER AREAS.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE NATURAL AND EFFECTIVE AT, AT CLEANING THE WATER THAT GOES INTO THE, THE DITCH OR
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THE CREEK THERE.SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LEARN AND I THOUGHT COCKTAILS WERE A GOOD, THE RIPERIAN BUFFER IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, RIGHT? YES.
THE RIPERIAN BUFFERS ALONG IS PROTECTS THE BANKS OF THE CREEK AND THEN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS IS GONNA CLEAN THE WATER FROM THE, THE ROADS AND THE GUTTERS AND, AND THE LOTS.
TAMMY, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT OR IS IT, YOU GOT CBM ONE CHAMBER, THE CHAMBER GOING ON THE, THE ISSUE OF CATTAILS, I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION SOMETIMES COMES IN IS WHEN A POND IS BUILT, YOU WANT THIS SORT OF VEGETATIVE EGG EDGE AQUATIC BENCH AS THEY CALL IT.
UM, WHEN A POND GETS OVERRUN FOR SOME REASON, LET'S SAY SEDIMENTATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CREATE THESE LITTLE LOW SPOTS AND THEN VEGETATION GROWS UP FROM THERE.
SO WHEN YOUR VEGETATION CREEPS INTO YOUR POND TO A DEGREE WHERE IT'S NO LONGER COMPLIANT CORRECTLY TO THE BED, OH YEAH.
THEN IT IS TAKING UP VOLUME SPACE FOR THE WATER YEAH.
SPACE OF THE POND AND CAUSING THE POND NOT TO PUSH CORRECTLY.
THAT'S WHERE MAINTENANCE COMES IN.
RIGHT? SO A NEW POND WILL HAVE A NICE CLEAN BENCH WITH CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHERE YOU WANT THIS PLANT LIFE SUCH AS YOUR CATTAILS OR OTHER UM, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY POND PLANTS.
AND THEN OVER THE YEARS YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THAT STAYS IN ITS ZONE AND STAYS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
IF IT STARTS TO TAKE OVER YOUR POND, THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
THEN MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOME OF THE PAST ISSUES THAT DON'T APPLY HERE ARE THAT SOME OF THESE PONDS WERE PUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OFF ALL THE TIME, NOT A LAND.
AND THAT IS A, THERE'S NO WAY TO LEGACY ISSUE THAT WE CAN'T DEAL WITH.
THERE SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THAT.
STORMWATER REGULATIONS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND WITH THOSE STRICTER REGULATIONS, PONDS WERE GOING IN BEFORE THERE WERE REGULATIONS AND SOME PONDS WENT IN DURING EARLY REGULATIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN PONDS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WERE, WERE STORMWATER PONDS AND PROBABLY FUNCTION WELL FOR THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
BUT NOW THEY'RE 20 YEARS OLD AND THERE IS NO AUTHORITY, THERE IS NO WRITTEN PLAN, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, NO CONTROL.
AND EVEN THE TOWN ITSELF IS NOT FORCED BY THE DEC TO GO IN AND MAKE SOMEONE LIKE THE OWNER ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS. NOW STUFF THAT'S MORE RECENT, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE TOWN CAN DO BUT RIGHT.
UNFORTUNATELY OLDER PONDS ARE SOMEWHAT LEFT ON THEIR OWN.
WE HAVE TO DO IS STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS NOW IS THE DEC REQUIRES US TO ACTUALLY ENTER INTO AND THE TOWN IS AWARE OF IT AND RECORD A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
SO NOW THERE IS SOME TEETH TO ENFORCEMENT AND IS THAT PART OF THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE PLAN? YEAH.
PART OF OUR SPEEDIES PERMIT WITH DC AND SW AND THE TOWN AND ALL, ALL STORM WATER FEATURES NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE.
MUST HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM TO, TO GET THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND HAS TO IDENTIFY THE EN ENTITY THAT'S IN CHARGE OF IT.
AND THAT AGREEMENT THAT THEY SIGN, THAT'S ACTUALLY A SAMPLE IS IN YOUR TOWN CODE, BASICALLY GIVES THE TOWN THE RIGHT THAT IF THE OWNER AS THE HOA FAILS TO MAINTAIN IT, THE TOWN CAN GO IN, DO THE MAINTENANCE AND CHARGE THEM MONEY AND COST AND LITERALLY FILE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
LIKE A FORECLOSURE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
SO YOU'VE IT'S PRETTY, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT PART OF IT'S JUST ANOTHER PROJECT.
THERE'S TWO MAINTENANCE PLANS.
I THINK THERE'S ONE THAT'S JUST THE STORMWATER PONDS THAT'S GONNA GET FILED AND NEEDED AND THAT WAY AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAT REQUIREMENT IS SOME SORT OF VEGETATION RECREATIONAL LANDSCAPE.
OTHER THAN STORM WATER LONG TERM YES.
AND THEN WE WOULD WANT SOME IS THERE GONNA BE OVERLAP BETWEEN EITHER, BETWEEN EITHER OF THEM? NO, BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THE STORM WATER HAS ITS OWN THAT HAS TO, THAT'S STORM WATER PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
CAN WE GET A COPY OF THE RIPERIAN, UH, BUFFER ZONE? THEY HAVEN'T MADE, THEY HADN'T BEEN SENT TO US.
THEY HAVEN'T HIRED ANYONE TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED THAT WE WAS NO.
WE DID ASK HER TO MENTION THEY JUST DID.
I'M CONFUSED BETWEEN THAT ONE AND THE LASTING ONE.
SO, SO THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEY THEY JUST DON'T HAVE IT YET.
I MEAN 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OF BIG INTEREST.
WE NEED TO GET OUR STATE LEGISLATURE DO NOW NO LONGER CAN BUY PHOSPHATE FERTILIZERS FOR YOUR LAWN.
NOW WE NEED TO GET THEM TO STOP SELLING CERTAIN, CERTAIN PRODUCTS THAT HOMEOWNERS PUT ON THEIR LAWN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING LEGISLATIVE THAT I THINK THE STATE OF NEW YORK IS, IS THINKING OF AND I HOPE THEY'RE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY TOOK PHOSPHATES OUT.
IF IT'S A DUMP PHOSPHATES ALL OVER THEIR LAWN, IS THAT EXCLUSIVE TO THE STATE OR CAN VILLAGES IN TOWN PASS THEIR OWN RULES IN SOME OF THOSE STATES? I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW YET IF YOU HAVE LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT, WHETHER THE TOWN CAN BAN, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OF STATE AS A WHOLE DRAFT.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITY BANNING MATERIAL CHEMICAL.
WELL, ONTARIO IS A PROVINCE OF CANADA.
I'M SAYING IT BE LIKE EQUIVALENT A STATE IN US
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SPECIFIC GUIDELINE.THAT SAID, THESE ARE THE CHEMICALS THAT YOU CANNOT USE IRON LAW, BUT, BUT ONTARIO'S NOT, NOT TORONTO FOR, AND I'M JUST MAKING A P**S ENVIRONMENTAL, WE NEED TO GET OUR STATE LEGISLATURE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY AND MY NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS USE AND WHATEVER ON THEIR LAWN.
SO I TELL THEM NOT TO USE ON THEIR LAWN.
MIKE, JUST OUR LAST COMMENT YES.
HAVE IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A BIG CONCERN.
UH, 30 YEARS AGO OUR TOWN WAS BASED ON AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE.
WE HAVE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE US FARMLAND TRUST.
WE HAVE NOT SET UP ANY KINDA GRANT MONEY TO GUARANTEE THE FARMERS X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO STOP GETTING MONEY FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO SELL THEIR FARMLAND TO STOP BEING USED, PERFORMING AND DEVELOPING AND SELLING CROPS TO FEED.
'CAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AND WE KEEP EATING UP.
I JUST GOT AN ARTICLE HERE FROM AG WEEK, SO HOLD ON.
LEMME JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
YOU WANT THE TOWN TO PUT MONEY IN A TRUST? NO, NO.
I'M ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT THE PLANNING BOARD TO PUT MONEY IN THE TRUST NO, NO, NO.
WELL I'M MISSING, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING QUESTION IS THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS TOWN.
ARE WE GONNA KEEP GIVING AWAY ALL THE AG PROPERTY TO DEVELOPERS AND IT'S NOT AN YOU, YOU KNOW THAT OUR AUTHORITY I UNDERSTAND IS WHAT OUR AUTHORITY IS.
MAKE A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR TOWN BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING
ISN'T THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAY.
I MEAN I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO BACK AND FORTH ARGUMENT, BUT WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS WELL, SO HOLD ON.
THIS TIES BACK TO THIS PROJECT, AND THIS COMES BACK TO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I RAISED AS PART OF THE FEAF AT THE LAST MEETING IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON THE SECRET FORM HAS TO DO WITH THE PERMANENT CONVERSION OF AGRICULTURAL LAND BECAUSE IT'S AN IRRETRIEVABLE IMPACT.
AND THERE'S REFERENCES IN OUR EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT THE CONCERN FOR CONVERSION OF AGRICULTURAL LAND AND, AND THE OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT I THINK IS FROM 1994 FROM BATAN THAT TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, IS THAT THAT IS A POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT THAT WAS FLAGGED BECAUSE WE EXCEED THE THRESHOLD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED THAT THAT HELPS TO MITIGATE OR OFFSET THAT OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A REASON THAT WE NEED TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION AND ADDRESS POTENTIAL MITIGATIONS FOR IT AS PART OF THE SECRET PROCESS.
AND ONE OF THE MITIGATIONS YOU SUGGESTED WAS, WAS THAT LIKE AN HOMAGE TO THE CHARACTER? WELL, DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T WELL I SAID THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT, AND THAT ADDRESSES COMMUNITY CHARACTER, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE NET LOSS OF AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE SOUTH END OF HARPER SHOULD GET THE MILLER FARM AND IT'S RIGHT SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE SUBS.
SO IF WE CONTINUE TO GO THAT WAY, THAT MAY BE YOUR NEXT VICTIM.
I MEAN THESE, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THESE FARMS, THEY, THEY SELL THEIR PROPERTY TO DEVELOPERS.
UM, WHAT EXACTLY WE CAN AND CAN'T DO LEGALLY TO STOP IT IS A MUCH BIGGER QUESTION AND IS DIFFICULT.
IT IS EVEN MORE COMPLICATED IN THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS YOURS IS A FARM.
BUT AS DREW POINTED ON A LAST MEETING YEAH, WE CAN FARM ANYWAY.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, RIGHT, YOU KNOW RIGHT TO FARM.
DON'T, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WELL, BUT THAT ZONING AND LAND USE RIGHT, ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUES, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S AN ISSUE.
AND, AND THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO WHETHER OR NOT WE, YOU, THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT UNDER SEEKER YOU CAN HAVE THE IMPACT, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH APPROPRIATE PROCESS TO ADDRESS IT.
SO EVEN IF WE SAY THAT NO, THEY'RE NOT MITIGATING IT'S MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT UNDER WHICH CASE WE HAVE TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN THAT WOULD NEED TO GET ADDRESSED THAT WAY.
SO THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THIS AND TO TALK ABOUT IT AND POTENTIAL MITIGATIONS OR MINIMIZATIONS OR WAYS TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND IT IS AN ISSUE THAT WE DID RAISE BEFORE AND, AND IT IT IS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN PART TWO.
I MEAN NO ONE WOULD ARGUE IT'S A MODERATE, POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT HAVE TO CONSIDER CONVERTING FARMLAND SOMETHING OTHER THAN FARMLAND NOW TO CONSIDER.
IS IT SIGNIFICANT? THE ONE THING THEY HAVE HAVING DONE AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND PROTECTION PLANTS THROUGHOUT ERIE, I, GENESEE COUNTY, THE GENESEE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL PROTECTION PLANT, IS THAT THE STATE WANTS TO A FIRST TARGET THOSE WITHIN STATE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS.
THIS IS NOT IN A STATE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND THEY WANT AREAS OF LARGE AREAS OF FARMING.
UNFORTUNATELY THE TOWN HAS, AND MARK KNOWS THIS
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OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, THERE'S REALLY NOT LARGE AREAS OF FARMING.WE HAVE LITTLE FARMS LEFT, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN FOR NOW.
UNLESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS CHANGED, THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN IS THIS IS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, AN AREA WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING.
THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, SOUTHERN HAMBURG IS AN AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THAT HAS LARGER AREAS OF AGRICULTURAL LAND AND WEATHER.
AND THIS HAS GOTTA BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMP PLAN.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT FOR THIS PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT.
WE HAVE TO NOW CONSIDER IT SIGNIFICANT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
IF YOU WANT, WE HAVE NOT SENT THIS TO STATE AG MARKETS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE, WE MAY HAVE, I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
NO, YOU DEFINITELY, I DON'T THINK WE DID.
WE CAN SEND THE STATE AG MARKETS, BUT I'M A FEELING THEY'RE GONNA SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.
BUT LET'S, LET'S GET THE INPUT.
LET'S GET THE INPUT IS THAT THEY PROVIDE DIFFERENT, WE SHOULD GET THEIR INPUT.
BUT THERE IS ALSO DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED WAS THE AG DISTRICT VERSUS NOT.
AND THEY DO PROVIDE DIFFERENT NUMERICAL THRESHOLDS, WHICH IS ONLY TWO AND A HALF ACRES IN AN EGG DISTRICT AND 10 ACRES IN A NON NON.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CONTINUED CUMULATIVE TREND ALONG PARKER ROAD.
AND THEN THIS THEN ALSO PUTS PRESSURE ON THE FARM THAT THE MILLERS HAVE.
AND, AND THAT LAND THAT'S LEFT AT THE OTHER END OF PARKER ROAD, THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT.
AND THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT OR APPROPRIATELY DOCUMENT? THE HARD PART IS UNFORTUNATELY YOU PERCEIVE THIS AREA OF THE TOWN AS BEING AN AGRICULTURAL AREA OF THE TOWN.
THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL REMNANTS OF IT AND AGRICULTURAL WHATEVER.
BUT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH BALANCE.
IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S WHAT WE CALL AGRICULTURAL REMNANTS.
WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS.
IT SAYS IRREVERSIBLY CONVERT AGRICULTURAL LAND TO NON RIGHT.
AND YOU CHECK THE APPROPRIATE BOX.
YOU NOW HAVE TO DETERMINE IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE IT'S SIGNIFICANT AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE WITH FRAGMENTED AGRICULTURAL LAND IS WHETHER IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
I HAVE SOMEONE CONVERTING, CONVERTING 3000 ACRES OF FARMLAND INTO SOLAR AND THEY'VE, THE STATE OF YORK IS DETERMINE IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
WELL THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT CAN BE REMOVED AND RESTORED UNDER DEPARTMENT OF AG AND MARKETS STANDARDS IN WHICH TO CONVERT DOWN TO PHARMA.
I I ARGUE WITH THE STATE OF EUROPE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE STATE SAYS.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE ABOUT THE AGRICULTURAL USE HERE, AND I REALLY DO THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT BEING USED IN AN ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE AGRICULTURAL USE.
IT IS BASICALLY BEING SUBSIDIZED.
THE CURRENT FARM, THE CURRENT OWNER IS BASICALLY SOME LETTING SOMEONE LEASE AND USE THIS LAND FOR SOME NOMINAL VALUE.
IN FACT, THIS YEAR FARMING AGRI FARMING ACTIVITIES WE'RE GONNA CEASE.
BUT FOR THE FACT THE OWNER WAS HERE, THE FARMER WAS HERE ONE NIGHT AND SAID, WELL GIVEN WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH YOUR PROJECT, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND USE IT, NOT PAY ANYTHING? AND WE SAID YES.
SO I HAVE ALSO, ALSO FOR THE PLANNING BOARDS, LIKE THE HELP ASSIST WITH IT AND I'VE DONE LOTS OF UH, UH, SECRET ANALYSIS LIKE THIS.
I PUT A MEMO TOGETHER THAT SAYS EACH ONE OF THE POTENTIAL MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACTS WHAT INFORM, SO THEY HAVE IT ALL IN ONE LOCATION.
WHAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, I HAVEN'T COMPLETELY FILLED THIS OUT.
AND THEN YOUR COMMENTS ON BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION.
SO YOU HAVE ONE DOCUMENT THAT LIKE YOU'RE DOING CAITLIN AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE TRYING TO PUT ONE DOCUMENT TOGETHER SAYING HOW DO WE PRESENT THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD? I'LL GIVE YOU THAT MEMO.
OR IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT FORMAT THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS IN, BUT TRY TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE ALL THE ONES YOU IDENTIFIED, THIS IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
AND THEN A COMMENT OR DISCUSSION BOX WHERE YOU'VE SAID, OKAY, HAVE WE DETERMINED BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION SUBMITTED, IS THIS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT? WHERE YOU SAID VERY ARGUABLY, IF IT'S POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT MAY IMPACT YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A POSITIVE THING.
IF YOU'VE PROVEN ON THE RECORD THAT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, THEN YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT ITEM AND WORK ON THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE HARD PART THAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD THINGS.
I MEAN COMMUNITY CHARACTER THINGS LIKE THIS ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE BECAUSE ENGINEERS, WE WANNA SAY IT'S A BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE, BUT A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE ISSUES.
THIS ISSUE OF AGRICULTURAL, I'M GIVING YOU THE PLUSES AND MINUS IT IS, IT IS OVER 10 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND.
UM, BUT IS A SIGNIFICANT AGRICULTURAL LAND IN THE TOWN.
OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO PROVE TO YOU THAT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT AGRICULTURAL LAND IN THE TOWN.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE AGRICULTURAL LAND IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT THESE, THE IMPACT TO THE RESOURCES SIGNIFICANT, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING.
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AND KEEP IN MIND, SO IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, SO SAY YOU DID DETERMINE THAT THAT IS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE WOULD BE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO SAY THIS HAS TO CONTINUE TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.AND I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S, SO WHERE WOULD THAT LEAD YOU? IT DOESN'T REALLY LEAD TO ANYTHING THAT RESULTS IN THAT BEING PERMANENTLY USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND I GUESS THAT COMES BACK TO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE SURE.
SOMETHING THAT GETS TO THE, THE, THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY AND USE AND A LOT OF THAT ROAD EVEN ALONG, ONCE YOU GET IN BETWEEN EACH OF THESE LARGE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE COME IN, HOW DO YOU, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF RURAL CHARACTER ON PARKER ROAD, RIGHT? YOU, YOU GET PAST THESE FIRST COUPLE SUB YEAH, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
HOW DO, HOW DO WE, OKAY, WELL MAYBE SO THAT'S, I MEAN, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LEAVE UP TO YOU GUYS IS WHAT COULD YOU PROPOSE? WELL THAT WOULD MAKE THIS AN EASIER, WE'LL COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S USEFUL INPUT.
WHAT DID SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS DO DEMONSTRATE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE? I WAS NOT ON THE PLANNING WHAT WE'RE SAY.
I I THINK THAT THE, THE POINT IS, AND AND EVEN THE POINT OF THE CAB IS THOSE OTHER PROJECTS MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE ENOUGH AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD RE REGRET HOW IT WENT AND THINK THEY COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANNA KNOW AND, AND MARK AND I HAVE HAD PLEASANT DISCUSSIONS, I I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT A LOT OF HIS COMMENTS PERTAIN TO MORE OF A MACRO LEVEL THOUGHT PROCESS AND A MICRO LEVEL THOUGHT PROCESS.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS PROJECT SIDE OF COURSE.
WE CAN'T RECTIFY PAST DECISIONS.
AND I I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING.
YEAH, I THINK HE'S THINK THAT'S MORE BACKGROUND FOR WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.
SO I THINK LET'S, CAN WE SUMMARIZE BY WHERE WE, I THINK THE FOLLOW UP ITEMS ARE, WELL, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
YOU MAY, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE ALL FOUR OF THE CLUSTER.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HEARD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DO YOU EVER ADD ANYTHING TO BACK THAT UP? ONLY THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND SOME OF THEM ARE HERE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY RESIDENT.
I THINK SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES IS THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WERE GENERALLY OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT REGARDLESS AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC HEARING.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT, THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE, BOB, DENNIS, THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT PREVIOUSLY.
AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE PREFERENCE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR CLUSTERING AT THE CURRENT TIME FOR CLUSTERING VERSUS NOT OF THE TWO VERSUS I THINK THERE WAS MORE FEEDBACK AT THE INITIAL PUBLIC HEARING OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS THE SAME WITH A LOT OF PROJECTS.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD PREFER THAT IT DOESN'T CHANGE AT ALL.
I MEAN THAT THAT EVEN INCLUDES THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT WITH A LOT OF PROJECTS, THAT'S NOT A DECISION THAT WE CAN LEGALLY MAKE.
SO IF IT'S, IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE THERE, THEY PREFER THE CLUSTER TO THE AS OF RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IF, IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY, THEY WOULD, TWO PEOPLE HEAR ME.
I MEAN THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TALKED AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL THEY SPOKE, I THINK THEY WERE PART OF THE GROUP THAT SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING MM-HMM
WAS ANYTHING SENT OUT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS WAS COMING BEFORE THE, WELL NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WILL IT GO OKAY.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMAN THAT I KNEW OF THAT WAS AGAINST THE CLUSTER.
I HAD A PETITION WITH PROBABLY 50 SIGNATURES ON IT, SUPPORTING THIS CLUSTER.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, AND I SUBMITTED RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW MANY WERE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE AND A LOT OF OUR DECISIONS, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S FEELING WAS BEFORE I VOTE.
BUT WE END UP GETTING STUCK MAKING A DECISION THAT NOBODY LIKES.
NOT EVEN US BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAWS AND RULES DO.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT.
THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR IT.
WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE THEN IS NOW YOU GOTTA WALK.
WELL WE IN LANDSCAPING A TRIP, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU GOTTA PUT LANDSCAPING ON THE OTHER ONE.
THERE WOULDN'T, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE SPACE FOR THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS.
WE LOST SIX LOTS LONG TAYLOR, I MEAN, I MEAN PART, THIS IS A GREAT PLAN.
SEVEN SAW IT, SO IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
SOMETHING'S GONNA GO IN THERE.
THIS IS A GREAT PLAN MAYBE FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT OR NOT.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S FINE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE.
BUT IT ISN'T GUYS, IT ISN'T, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PEGGY, SHE DID MAKE THE EFFORT TO
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GO OUT AND GET SIGNATURES AND SHE DID SUBMIT A PETITION SIGNED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE? OH, YOU'RE 50 PEOPLE.I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT WE'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT EXACT AREA.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING IN WRITING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SAYING THEY'RE OPPOSED TO CLUSTER.
WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BENEFIT BY THE BURN, RIGHT? I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BETWEEN THEM AND, AND THE CLUSTER.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ROOM, THEY'LL HAVE MORE.
BUT I'M THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING IN THERE.
HOW ARE THEY BENEFITING? HOW ARE WE AS A
I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A NICE ONSITE AMENITY.
I ALSO KNOW IF I BUY A HOUSE HERE, NO ONE CAN EVER BUILD BEHIND ME.
I MEAN SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME REAL BENEFITS.
I KNOW I'M JUST SAYING MOTORIZED.
BUT FOR THE TYPICAL PERSON, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
I THINK THE, AND IF SOMEONE PREFERS THE MUCH BIGGER, MORE TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION WITHOUT THAT PERMIT OPEN SPACE, THEY HAVE OTHER CHOICES.
IN MY MIND, THE DIFFERENTIATOR AT THIS POINT IN GENERAL NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT CLUSTERS IS TO FIND A WAY TO ENHANCE THE SPACE RATHER THAN LEAVE JUST UNDEVELOPED SPACE TO APPROPRIATELY ENHANCE IT, TO MAKE IT WORTH AND TO MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS CLUSTER.
WASN'T JUST TO TRY AND FIT MORE HOUSES AND SAVE ON ROAD LENGTH.
IT WAS TO HAVE FEATURES AND WE'RE SLOWLY WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION.
WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYONE IS GONNA SUPPORT THE PROJECT AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON WHAT IS DIFFERENTIATING IT AND MAKING IT BETTER FROM HERE FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE
YOU KNOW, AND MR. KEL ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE SOME OTHER IDEAS? I THREW OUT A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INTEGRATE SOME SORT OF ORCHARD FEATURE OR COMMUNITY GARDENS OR SOME THINGS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE STUFF AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL DONE THEM OTHER PLACES, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU GUYS TO DO SOME, SOME RESEARCH AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH.
WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE WITH HOW YOU CAN DESIGN WHAT YOU WANT AS A COMMUNITY.
I'VE BEEN DOING SOME COMMUNITY GARDENS AT MISSION HILLS, MY APARTMENT COMPLEX ON CAMP ROAD.
SO I BUILT GARDENS 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT LIKE TO DO GARDENING.
SO WE PUT UP SIX OR SEVEN AREAS AND THEY'RE CONSUMED INSTANTANEOUSLY.
I COULD TAKE 25% OF MY LAWN AREAS AND TURN 'EM INTO GARDENS.
THE PROBLEM AT THE END OF THE DAY IS AFTER THE GARDENS ARE ALL PICKED UP, I JUST GOT, I GOT PAGE WIRE THAT HAVE TO GO PICK UP AT THE END OF THE SEASON, TAKE THE FENCE POSTS DOWN TO KEEP ALL THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS OUT OF EATING THE FARM.
THE PEOPLE PUT PAGE WIRE AROUND AND MM-HMM
WE GOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I DO DO IT FOR 'EM.
IT IS A LOT OF WORK, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT THEY DO ENJOY IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD TRY IT OUT.
YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WITH SOMEONE FROM DOWN OVER HERE, COME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE TO A GARDEN, A VEGETABLE GARDEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT IT PROBABLY.
I MEAN I I, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHAT OTHER THINGS CAN YOU DO THAT ARE SORT OF A NON AND ADDRESSING NO, I GET, I THINK I GET THE DIRECT, I GET THE DIRECTION.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
WE HAVE ONE DESIGNATED IN ER MONDS AND IT'S NEVER USED.
I GOT SOME SEEDS, I GOT SOME LEFTOVER TOMATO PLANTS.
WE SOME VERY EAGER LITTLE GARDENERS THAT HELP YOU.
I SAID WE HAVE VERY EAGER LITTLE GARDENERS, CAITLIN AND I THAT GONNA HELP YOU.
THEY'LL BRING THEIR DUMP TRUCKS WITH DON'T PLAY BASEBALL.
ALL THESE FIELDS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BASEBALL COURSE.
SO BILL, ARE WE MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT OR ARE WE JUST CONSIDERING THIS CLUSTER? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE, WE VOTED BEFORE NOT TO ALLOW THIS.
NO BILL WE HAVE TO, I WOULD WAS NOT, THERE WAS NO VOTE WAS NOT VOTED.
IT WAS THE MOTION WASN'T SECOND.
BECAUSE, BUT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, ARE WE DOING ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT OR THE OTHER PROJECT? I MEAN I THINK THIS PROJECT HAS A LOT MORE POTENTIAL AND IS IS WORTH OUR, I THINK, I THINK IT'S MORE WORTH OUR TIME THAN THE OTHER PROJECT.
I THINK IT MEAN THE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY MY OPINION.
I THINK THAT IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANNA GO, THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE BEFORE WE WERE DOING A FINAL PLAN CONSIDERATION UNDER CEDAR, BUT IT'S HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THOSE THINGS WOULD BE THE UH, LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, THE CORRIDOR, THE AGRICULTURAL
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OPTIONS.CAN WE DO SOMETHING TO, RIGHT.
SO THE OTHER UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING THAT WERE CONNECTED MONTREAL LARGE AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, SIDEWALKS CAME UP EARLIER AS WELL AS TRAFFIC.
THERE WERE ISSUES RELATING TO THE MOVEMENT OF, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INTERSECTIONS.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS WHEN YOU'RE LEADING ROAD DESIGN CODE THERE WAS ON, THERE WAS ON WES.
I THINK IT NO, IT WAS BOTH BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S A NEW ROAD INTERSECTION.
THE COMBINED TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THE TWO PROJECTS IS SIGNIFICANT TO THAT AREA.
JUST SO I'LL GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WETZEL.
BUT THAT'S, I'VE TALKED TO DOT AND DOT IS, WHILE THEY HAVEN'T ISSUED A COMMENT LETTER, THEY ASKED US TO MAKE A CHANGE TO WETZEL, WHICH WE'LL SHOW IN A SECOND.
BUT THEY REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
IT WAS EDWARD KOWSKI FOR THE RECORD.
AND HE INDICATED WE DON'T HAVE ANY OVERALL CONCERNS ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T GOT THAT IN WRITING YET.
YEAH, SO THE OTHER THAT ALREADY, I BELIEVE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, ALREADY HAD SOME OF THOSE ROADWAYS AT A D EXISTING.
EXISTING AND HAD THEM GOING EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE SCALE.
SOUTHWEST OR, OR BIG TREE OR PARKER OR BOTH OR WHAT? BIG TREE.
AND I ALREADY HAD IT AT A D AND HAS IT DROPPING FURTHER DOWN THAN THAT.
SO IT'S JUST WORTH TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION.
LIKE EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS IN ISOLATION WOULD BE FINE.
BUT WHEN YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT IDEA THAT EATING ONE PIECE OF CHEESECAKE IS FINE.
EATING TWO, PROBABLY NOT YOUR BEST IDEA.
YOU IT WOULD HAVE A MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THIS IS THE SAME THING.
THIS PROJECT THAT'S EACH ONE OF THESE AND BY ITSELF MIGHT BE FINE, BUT WHEN WE PUT 'EM TOGETHER, THEY ARE GONNA NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT.
SO MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT FOR PART TWO IS ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS IS THE PROJECT ADDS SOME LEVEL OF BUT NOT SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC AS I FIND PART ONE QUESTION BLAH BLAH BLAH TO THE AREA.
BUT DUE TO CURRENT ROAD TRAFFIC AND INTERSECTION CONDITIONS, THE ROAD DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY.
AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S IN THE, WHEN YOU PUT BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE STATE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER.
THE QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S STATE ROADWAYS, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY IMPORTANT.
THE TRAUMA STUDY DOES CONSIDER BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IS IT'S A STATE ROADWAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
LIKE IF WE REALIZE THAT THIS HAS CREATED A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO GO BACK AND SAY WE NEED TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN.
WE NEED TO PUT A CROSSWALK IN, WE NEED PUT TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
THAT'S NOT A TON OF HAMBURG ROAD.
SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL ABOUT IT AND JUST REALLY BE AWARE THAT THIS, THIS COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THAT AREA THAT'S ALREADY, UH, HIGHLY TRAVELED HIGH TRAFFIC ROAD WITH NOT A FANTASTIC TRAFFIC RATE.
I'M SURPRISED THE RAIN SO LOW.
YEAH, I I WOULD ASSUME THAT, THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY RECONFIGURED THAT INTERSECTION THERE, THE, WHAT WAS IT, SEVEN CORNERS OR SOMETHING BEFORE I, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE IDEA FOR IT TO STILL BE LOW.
AND WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM NEIGHBORS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE TRAFFIC.
YEAH, I GUESS I, IF, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'LL CERTAINLY RELAY THOSE TO SR F ASSOCIATES, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE, WE CAN HAVE THEM COME TO A FUTURE MEETING.
BUT I DID TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
AND FROM AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS IS WHAT DOT OR THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS LOOKS LIKE.
UH, THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DEGRADATION OF THE OVERALL TURNING MOVEMENTS AT ANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
IF YOU PICK ONE PARTICULAR MOVEMENT, SAY LEFT BOUND EAST, COULD IT GO DOWN FROM C TO D? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT NOT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER ONES WAS E PART E UNDER THAT TRAFFIC LENS.
MM-HMM
ONE OF 'EM ACTUALLY IT'S THE, IT'S THE INTERSECTIONS I GUESS.
UM, ONE OF 'EM RECOMMENDED LIKE E TURN LANE BE CREATED OR SOMETHING THAT THAT'S, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT WAS SO I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME BACKUP ON HOW YOU DESIGNED THE INTERSECTION AND THE SITE LINES THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE SIGNIFICANCE IMPACT FOR THE PRIMARY FLOW OF TRAFFIC BOTH THROUGH THE EMERGENCY EXIT EXIT THAT NEEDED TO BE USED IN THERE FOR THAT ONE.
WELL, I MEAN HOW THAT WAS DESIGNED TO MEET SAFETY STANDARDS.
WELL IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD LINE UP WITH MARYLAND DRIVE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SITE LINES
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PLANTING.IS IT EVER POSSIBLE TO GET SOMEBODY, I MEAN TRAFFIC IS COMING UP AGAIN AND AGAIN.
IS THERE A PRESSING CONCERN IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND IN PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TO THE PROJECTS TONIGHT, TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A CONCERN.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS WHEN WE DID THE SCOPING EARLIER, THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN WHEN WE INITIALLY LOOKED, DID THE PROJECT, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE AN EXPERT COME IN AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND LIKE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A TOWN TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THINGS WE CAN DO AS A PLANNING BOARD TO CREATE DESIGNS OF GOOD TRAFFIC ANNUAL TRAINING.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE A SPECIFIC TRAINING AND TRAFFIC? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TRAINING TRAFFIC.
WELL WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THAT UNDER THE PROCESS YOU CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S A CAMMY'S FIRM OR MY FIRM, YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT, 'CAUSE TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AND READ.
I MEAN, UH, I ALWAYS SAY, AND I GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE, THEY'RE MORE OF AN ART FORM THAN A SCIENCE.
BUT, UM, WELL, I'M JUST REALLY WONDERING.
IT IS AND AND AND BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A SORRY TO GET OFF TIME.
WE'RE DOING A CONFERENCE PLAN.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE BIG ISSUES.
I MEAN YEAH, SOUTHWESTERN'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR, FOR 15 YEARS NOW TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH SOUTHWESTERN UM, BIG TREE ROAD? I MEAN THE, THE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND YES, YOU HAVE THE TWO PROJECTS GOING IN AND YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A SHEER STANDPOINT OF WHAT SEAN'S SAYING IS THAT THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS LOOKING AT THIS SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND HAS AND HAS WHATEVER WE'RE GETTING INPUT FROM DOT.
BUT DOT IS GONNA BE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR STATE HIGHWAY.
AND THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MORE OF THAT YOU HAVE PARKER ROAD WHICH IS A TOWN ROAD.
SO YEAH, WE COULD HAVE A TRAFFIC CAME.
I KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE FROM YOUR OFFICE OR WE CAN GET, GET SOMEONE.
WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE.
I THINK LIKE I'M THINKING WE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM THAT LAST CLUSTER PROJECT THAT CAME THROUGH.
AND WE WATCHED IT COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN BEFORE MANY OF US WERE EVEN ON THE BOARD.
AND IT'S REALLY SHAPING HOW WE APPROACH THIS CLUSTER PROJECT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE TRAFFIC IS A CONTINUED CONCERN BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
AND EVERY PROJECT IS ALWAYS LIKE, WELL WE'RE JUST MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
JUST MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
WE COUNT ON, AND AGAIN IT'S A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
WE COUNT ON TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, RIGHT.
WHETHER YOU HIRE AN
RIGHT, RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION ABOUT RO BECAUSE THE LIABILITY WOULD BE TREMENDOUS IF YOU SAID, HEY NO, DESIGN THIS INTERSECTION THIS WAY.
AND GOD FORBID THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A, AN ACCIDENT THERE OR WHATEVER BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SAID.
WE WANT GET GOOD PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AND SAY THIS IS BASED UPON ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES AND WHATEVER WHY THIS WAS DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET OUTTA ED MURKOWSKI.
'CAUSE I CALLED HIM ABOUT THE DOW.
I SPENT AN HOUR ASKING AND HE ULTIMATELY COMES AND, AND I'VE NEVER TALKED TO HIM BEFORE.
AND HE WAS VERY MUCH LIKE, I COME BACK TO THIS PRINCIPLE, I CAN'T WAIT THIS AGAINST ONE OTHER.
YOU'RE LAUGHING 'CAUSE YOU'VE YEAH WE TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME CHRIS, I, YOU KNOW BUT, BUT HE'S COMING BACK TO THE SAME THING AND HE'S NOT, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE A BLEND OF SECRET ISSUES.
SHE'S COMING BACK JUST TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.
WELL LIKE I'M WONDERING DREW, IF LIKE LOOKING AT PROJECTS LIKE THIS, IF IT'S STARTING TO COME TO LIGHT THAT THESE SUBDIVISIONS THAT DON'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE NOW IT'S PUSHING EVERYBODY TO THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES INSTEAD OF GIVING PEOPLE, REMEMBER THE COMMENT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY EARLY ON ON THIS.
THEY BELIEVE THIS SHOULD ALL BE INTERCONNECTED WITH THE OTHER SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER.
AND WE KNOW THAT'S A NON NON THING THAT THE TOWN WILL ALLOW BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS THERE.
BUT IT REALLY SHOULD ALL BE INTERCONNECTED BY.
BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT GOING FORWARD IS WE DON'T TAKE CONTROL OF THE ROADS UNTIL THEY'RE INTERCONNECTED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
ONCE YOU GET YOURSELF INTERCONNECTED THEN WE'LL TAKE CONTROL OF THE ROAD AND WE'LL TAKE CONTROL OF THE MAINTENANCE.
LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS BETTER.
BUT IF WE CONNECTED THE ROADS BETWEEN THIS AND WET SO EVERYONE WOULD GO CRAZY.
WELL ESPECIALLY INSURANCE, THE HEART OF AND THAT'S UP TO THIS TOWN BOARD IS WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN TAKES CONTROL OF THE ROAD THAT ONLY SERVES A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LIKE THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT'S COMING UP WITH EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE LOOK AT.
IT'S MAKING THE TRAFFIC WORSE AND WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD SOLUTION.
I WOULD LIKE INSTEAD START LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION.
IF YOU HAD A GOOD SOLUTION, SOMETHING WE'LL GET UMAS AND THAT'S YOUR RIGHT.
WE'LL TRY TO GET A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IN HERE.
WHETHER THAT'S AN INDEPENDENT, WHETHER I HAVE SOMEONE OR ED RAKOWSKI.
HE IS, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LIAISON.
GIVE ABOUT TWO MORE WEEKS FOR TWO.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE IN HERE BEFORE THEN.
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REPLACING UNDER CUSTODY? I'VE NOT A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.SO I WILL GET YOU SOMEONE YOU'RE REQUESTING.
I'LL GET SOMEONE TO COME OUT HERE AND TALK TO.
THANK YOU DEAR ABOUT GIVE HIM THIS STUDY THAT HIM OR HER THIS STUDY AND SAY HEY CAN YOU HELP THE PLANNING COURT UNDERSTAND THE MACRO ISSUES BEHIND AND MICRO ISSUES BEHIND THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE OVERALL, I MEAN, YEAH.
AND ON THESE PROJECTS, DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC REPAIR ENGINEER COME AND KEEP IN MIND WHEN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER COMES I'LL, I'M GONNA BE CANDID HERE, WHEN IT WAS FOR THE CAR WASH PROJECT ON SOUTHWESTERN AS YOU RECALL.
HE BASICALLY MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU GUYS WERE MAKING, WHICH KIND OF HURT US, BUT IT WAS WHAT IT WAS SAYING.
IT SHOULD BE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT.
THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT IS THIS KEEPS BEING LIKE THE MAJOR RIGHT.
STICKING POINT OF A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS.
BUT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS KIND OF ARE MORE FACTUAL AND WILL SAY WHAT THEIR ANALYSIS WAS IF YOU WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN, WE'LL CERTAINLY DO THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I'LL TALK, IF WE WANNA HAVE SRF AND TRAFFIC ALL THERE, WE CAN TALK TRAFFIC FOR HALF AN HOUR OR MORE.
TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS INTERESTING.
START SHORT TERM WITH HAVING YEAH, LET'S DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A FASTER TIME.
WE'LL COMMON ANSWER AND THE OTHER ISSUE YOU'VE ASKED ME BEFORE I FORGET ABOUT IT, I WILL REACH OUT, I HAVE WEEKLY CONVERSATION.
I'LL REACH OUT TO AG MARKETS TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT COMMUNITIES, SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES DO WITH THESE, WITH THESE TYPE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN IF YOU GET SOME IDEAS TRUE THAT YOU CAN RELATE US, TAKE A LOOK AT.
YEAH, I THINK DEVELOPERS WOULD BE OPEN TO A BETTER TRAFFIC LAYOUT.
'CAUSE THEY ALSO DON'T WANNA BUILD THESE COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE THEN COME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND BE LIKE, OH, THE TRAFFIC'S A NIGHTMARE.
THAT DOESN'T HELP SELL THE HOMES AND IT DOESN'T HELP SELL THE PROPERTY.
THE BEST THING THAT MAKES TRAFFIC BETTER IS TO CONNECT ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND JUST ACROSS THE BOARD IN WEST NEW YORK.
I THINK ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT MEGAN'S PLAN, NOT THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY WORK IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IF THE TOWN DIDN'T TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROADS UNLESS THEY CONNECTED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOU PUT IN DEVELOPMENT AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD'VE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS.
THEN ONE COMES IN NEXT DOOR AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WOULD SAY, PLEASE CONNECT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW, WHICH IS DON'T CONNECT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT IN YOUR SEWER, YOUR WATER OR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THERE'S OKAY, SO THERE'S OTHER, ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS PLANNERS CAME TO HAMBURG AND WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW WHAT HIS SOLUTION WAS, YOU NEED A LOT MORE OF IT THAT WAY.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY SURPRISING HOW FEW PEOPLE IN THE TOWN THOUGHT WE NEEDED MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
TRANSPORTATION AND STOP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE ACTION ITEMS ON MANGO AND I HAVE SOME OF WHAT YOU DO.
THIS WILL ALSO TIE INTO THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER COMMENTS, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T DONE, PERHAPS CAN WE SET A DEADLINE THAT BY THE THURSDAY BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, EVERYBODY CAN SEND THEIR COMMENTS TO SARAH ON THE LAST TWO POINTS ON PART TWO WOULD, AND ANY THOUGHTS THEY HAVE ON YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
CAN YOU TO SARAH AND THEN SHE CAN COMPILE 'EM FOR US TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT OKAY.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE TWO POINTS? SEND COMMENTS TO SARAH.
UH, WELL ON THE LAST TWO, WHICH WAS COMMUNITY, CHARACTER AND CONSISTENCY WITH LAND USE PLANTS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS IF PEOPLE START TO HAVE PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS, UH, SO I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL MEET TO TALK ABOUT SIGNIFICANCE ON THE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
BUT IF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ON SIGNIFICANCE THAT THEY WANNA, I'LL LOOK AT YOU DOUG, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE OH YEAH, YOU TOO.
I WANT YOUR DISAGREEMENT WITH ME DOCUMENTED SO THAT WE PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
THIS IS NOT CA THIS IS MY INPUT ON PARKER WROTE WITH THE PARKER TWO AND HOW YOU WOULD COMPLY.
WE WANNA HAVE THAT TO, BASED UPON WHAT I LISTENED THROUGH, WE WANNA HAVE THAT TO SARAH BY NEXT THURSDAY.
THE, SO IT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT OUR MEETING ON THE 16TH.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE COMMENTS TO SARAH BY THE 11TH.
AN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, YOU MEAN BROADWAY GROUP? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON BETWEEN NOW AND THE 16TH ON THIS MANCO PROJECT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK NO, I THINK A COPY OF THIS, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO MARK BECAUSE MARK HAS COMMENTS ABOUT PESTICIDE OR CAN YOU EMAIL IT TO SARAH OR YOU EMAIL IT TO MARK ABOUT THE PESTICIDE STATEMENT? OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT AS LONG AS I KEEP A COPY BY THE WAY, DON'T WANT DO, I'M EVENTUALLY GONNA ASK FOR WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION IN REPLACE TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A VISUALIZATION OF WHAT PARKER ROAD'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AFTER
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THIS GOES IN.I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY GONNA LOOK A LOT NICER THIS ONE THAN THE OTHER PLAN.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICALLY HUMAN CHARACTER.
I LIKE TO SEE JUST A VISUALIZATION, SOMETHING.
THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON PARCEL ROAD.
IT'S GOT JUST ONE EDIT THING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I'M GONNA, UH, DIG INTO THE INFORMATION.
HERE'S A COMPANY CALLED TRUE GRID THAT COULD ACTUALLY ELIMINATE A FOUR ACRE OF RETENTION TIME WITH PERMEABLE MATERIAL SO THAT THERE WOULD BE ACTUALLY NO TIME.
SO IT'LL BE, THE CHARACTER OF THE SUBDIVISION WAS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN AN OPEN WOUND.
WELL WE COULD, WE COULD ALWAYS DO UNDERGROUND ATTENTION.
WE DO IT EVERYWHERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS SPOT.
YOU, YOU GOTTA LOOK ON YOUR FACE.
LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE A COMMENT.
UNDERGROUND STORAGE IS VERY GOOD WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE SITE PLAN.
IT, IT IS MUCH HARDER IN A SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE YOU THEN HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR HOA WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TAKING OVER.
AND I, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME, SOME AMOUNT OF ABOVE GROUND FOR TREATMENT TO BUY RECEPTOR.
AGAIN, IT'S NEVER A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERGROUND IS NEVER A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIRE.
IS THAT MORE EXPENSIVE OR TO MAINTAINED AS WELL? MORE EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN, IN AND MAINTAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON UNDERGROUND.
YOU HAVE INSPECTION PORTS, BUT IT'S NOT HARD TO CLEAN OUT.
IT DEFINITELY GETS A LITTLE MORE SPECIALIZED FOR ANYONE DOING INSPECTION.
NORMALLY WE, WE ONLY DO IT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LAND.
TO DO TYPE URBAN, URBAN PLANS YOU HAVE UNDERGROUND AND, AND IT HAS PROBLEMATIC.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF A ALTERNATIVE TO YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE TO START, WE'D HAVE TO FACTOR GROUNDWATER INTO THOSE.
PLUS NOW YOU'RE USING, WASTING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS TO BUILD ARTIFICIAL STRUCTURES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MARK.
RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUND RETENTION, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY THE INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF IT MEET THE CHALLENGES.
DO IT PROVIDES STORAGE BUT DOESN'T PROVIDE TREATMENT.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID
IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN GET ONE COPY OF THAT AGRICULTURAL LETTER BACK SO I CAN SCAN AN EMAIL? YOU CAN HAVE MINE.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS LEN WESZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIG TREE ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINNEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R ONE AND R FROM C ONE AND R ONE TO R THREE.
SO CHRIS IS HANDING OUT A A GOOD EVENING.
HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WETZEL DEVELOPMENT ALSO WITH ME DECEIVING IS GLENN WETZEL AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD AND MORRIS.
THE TWO HANDOUTS WE HAVE IS CHRIS HAS HANDED OUT AN UPDATED CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN WE ALSO DID JUST TODAY RECEIVE A NO IMPACT DETERMINATION LETTER FROM THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS RECREATION HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THAT WAS BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY REPORT PREPARED BY DR. DOUGLAS PERELLI OF THE UB DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY.
SO IN TERMS OF CULTURAL RESOURCES, HISTORIC RESOURCES, WE NOW HAVE THAT ISSUE ADDRESSED.
UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY UP WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON UPDATES SINCE WE WERE HERE, UH, AT YOUR MEETING ON MAY 19TH, AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS MAKO PROJECT.
A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS PREPARED BY ASAR ASSOCIATES, BOTH FOR THE WETZEL PROJECT AS WELL AS THE MANCO PROJECT.
OF COURSE, BIG TREE ROAD IS A STATE HIGHWAY SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I SPOKE TO ED RAKOWSKI FROM DOT SECRET SITE PLAN COORDINATOR ON THURSDAY, MAY 27TH.
AND HE INDICATED HE DO NOT FORESEE ANY ISSUES RELATIVE TO TRAFFIC IMPACTS THEMSELVES ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
BUT HE DID REMIND ME OR SUGGESTED VERY STRONGLY THAT DOT'S POLICY OF COURSE IS TO RESTRICT OR LIMIT ACCESS ONTO STATE HIGHWAYS.
HE ASKED US TO CONSIDER INSTEAD OF TWO DRIVEWAYS ONTO BIG TREE ROAD, WHICH WE PREVIOUSLY HAD ONE DRIVEWAY TO TRY AND LINE IT UP WHERE THERE'S A SMALL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE NORTH SIDE OF BIG THREE.
CHRIS PREPARED THIS PLAN TODAY.
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I ALSO DID EMAIL IT TO ED RAKOWSKI.IT DOES RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF THE DENSITY WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AT 156 UNITS.
THIS TAKES US DOWN TO 150 UNITS.
SO THAT IS AN UPDATE THAT WE HAVE.
AS I INDICATED, WE HAVE THE UPDATED CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY.
THIS PROJECT, THIS IS A CASE WITH THE MANCO PROJECT.
WE HAVE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION DURING YOUR MEETING ON MAY 19TH.
YOU TOOK THE TIME TO WALK THROUGH A DRAFT OF THE PART TWO OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
MS. CAITLYN INDICATED IN CONNECTION WITH THE MANCO PROJECT.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ONCE WE GET WHAT PURPORTS TO BE A FINAL DRAFT OF THAT PART TWO OF THE AF, THEN WE'LL MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION.
I WOULD NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND THE THREE CATEGORIES OF CUMULATIVE IMPACTS, OR ACTUALLY FOUR THAT I RECALL FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WERE ONE TRAFFIC, WHICH AGAIN, THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND WE DID SUBMIT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TWO SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY.
I WOULD NOTE, UH, CHRIS'S FIRM DID DO A DOWNSTREAM SANITARY CAPACITY ANALYSIS REPORT FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
BUT THE SECOND OF WHICH WAS FOR THE WETZEL PROJECT, THAT ALSO TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE ADJACENT MANCO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND ON WHAT WAS THAT DATE ON MARCH 10TH, AND YOU DO HAVE A COPY OF THIS, THE DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR BOTH PROJECTS WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OF COURSE THAT ANALYSIS WAS DONE BASED ON WET WEATHER FLOW DATA, MEANING MORE THAN A HALF INCH PRECIPITATION OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
AND THEN SECONDLY, AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY FOR BOTH PROJECTS, WE DO NEED TO COMPLY WITH WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE DE'S INI MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR BOTH THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE TAKING SEWER OUT OF THE SYSTEM DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS.
IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE MANCO PROJECT.
WE'VE TALKED BEFORE AND CAMI'S PROVIDER INPUT, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS BOTH FOR STORMWATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER QUANTITY.
AND THEN THE FINAL TOPIC, WHICH INVOLVES SOME CUMULATIVE IMPACTS, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE STILL DISCUSSING, IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
UH, THE IMPORTANT NOTES ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND I WANNA REITERATE IT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE PRESENT THIS, SOMEONE REACHES OUT AGAIN TO ASK FOR SURE.
WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY ACCESS WHATSOEVER TO WILSON OR OF COURSE AKA THAT'S BEEN OFF THE BOARD SINCE WAY BACK WHEN WE PROPOSED A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, UH, LAST FALL.
WE'RE SHOWING 20.1 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED AT THE MEETING ON MAY 19TH.
WE ARE NOW ACTUALLY SHOWING CLEARLY CHRIS TOOK THE TIME TO ADD THAT DITCH.
SAME TIME WE'RE ASKING EARTH DIMENSION TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON THE REDCAR AND BUFFER ON MANCO PROJECT.
THEY ACTUALLY DID THE WETLAND DONATION FOR GLEN'S PROJECT.
THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT INPUT AS WELL ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THE GOAL WOULD BE CAN WE ESTABLISH THAT ON BOTH PROJECTS? THE LAYOUT DOES COMPLY WITH WHAT'S KNOWN AS APPENDIX D, THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE.
UH, THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE WILL BE FULLY SPRINKLED.
SO WE'RE UNDER THE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD REQUIRE SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS.
WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT WAS DATED JUNE 11TH.
AND BASICALLY WITHIN THAT JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION, THEY AGREED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE WETLAND DELINEATION PREPARED BY EARTH DIMENSIONS IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
BASICALLY WET WETLAND ONE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, WHICH IS A LARGE WETLAND WITH, WITH A SIZE OF 7.51 ACRES.
THAT IS JURISDICTIONAL THE 1,153 FEET OF LINEAR DITCH THAT BISECT THE SITE THAT IS JURISDICTIONAL.
BUT HOWEVER, WETLANDS TWO, THREE AND FOUR WITH SIZES RESPECTIVELY OF 0.1 ACRES, 0.15 ACRES AND 3.26 ACRES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO FEDERAL JURISDICTION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE DESIGNED THIS, THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE APRIL WE RECEIVED WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE HAD A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION TO A LARGE DEGREE PRESERVE THE ENTIRETY OF THAT 7.51 ACRE WETLAND.
THE ONLY IMPACT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS LITERALLY FOUR ONE HUNDREDTHS OF AN ACRE BECAUSE THAT'S LESS THAN ONE 10TH OF AN ACRE PER THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REGULATIONS.
THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE ON SITE OR OFFSITE MITIGATION.
SO I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
WE GO BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED FROM AND WE WANT TO PRESENT IT WITH AN UPDATE AND THEN ASK IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S LOOKING AT.
I WOULD NOTE OF COURSE THIS PROJECT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WILL REQUIRE
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A REZONING APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD.WE DID PRESENT IT TO THE TOWN BOARD DURING ITS, UH, HEARING IN MARCH.
AND OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY WILL HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE AND ULTIMATELY NEED TO APPROVE THE REZONING ONCE THE SECRET DETERMINATION HAS BEEN ISSUED.
BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT 20.1 ACRES WILL BE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WILL BE SUBJECT TO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WILL BE SUBJECT TO A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS AND WE WELCOME YOUR INPUT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED FOR AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS IS 81 FROM CHRIS, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY CUBIC YARD, UH, CUBIC YARDS YOU ARE MOVING OUT OF THE WETLANDS ELSEWHERE.
AND THAT THING, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THE CORRECT BOX TO CHECK ON THIS FOR.
I KNOW I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT A CALCULATOR.
UM, THE DID RECONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT ANY PESTICIDES WERE GONNA BE USED AS PART OF LAND CLEARING OR MAINTENANCE FOR THIS.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE LAWN CARE, BUT PESTICIDE WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH DC REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S A YES, BUT I'VE SEEN IT OFFERED BY OTHER DEVELOPERS.
AND THIS IS A HOMEOWNERS, I, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S ONE OWNER HERE COULD OFFER I ONLY TO USE ORGANIC PRODUCTS OR WHATEVER.
OBVIOUSLY OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S NOT GONNA GO OUT THERE AND WHATEVER, BUT IT HAS BEEN OFFERED TO USE NON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, BUT OBVIOUSLY MR. WETZEL COMING UP A HUNDRED, 190 CUBIC YARDS.
SO THAT'S A YES, BUT FAIRLY WELL.
WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD? OH, IT'S JUST A HUNDRED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
IT JUST MEANS CHECK OUT THE BOX.
UM, YOU ALL THE ORGANIC, UH, LAWN TREATMENTS IS WHAT WE USE ON OUR PROJECTS NOW.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN STICK IN A STATEMENT? YEAH.
SO YES, BUT POTENTIALLY, SO WE'RE COMMITTING THAT'S FINE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RIPARIAN.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT DOING SITE PLAN HERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE AS A COMMITMENT OR CONTINGENCY? YES.
I'M NOT, NOT NECESSARILY A FULL PLAN SORT OF COMMITMENT.
AND SOME, MAYBE SOME SORT OF ESTIMATED WIDTH THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE ASKING HER IF THE MEDICINES IS NOT IN BOTH PROJECTS.
UH, SHIPPO DID ARCHEOLOGICAL BUT THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? NO.
BUT THEY LOOK AT THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING.
NO, I'M TRYING, THERE WAS LAST ON ANOTHER ONE.
UH, AGAIN, FOR THE SPECIFICATION OF US CHECKING A BOX, WILL THE ACTION UTILIZE MORE THAN 2,500 MEGAWATT HOURS PER YEAR OF ELECTRICITY? OR TWO POINT YEAH.
2,500 MEGAWATT HOURS OF ELECTRICITY PER YEAR.
DOES THAT APPLY FOR RESIDENTIAL WORK? COMMERCIAL? IT DOESN'T SPECIFY ON THE STUFF.
ON THE PART, PART ONE IT DOES.
ON PART TWO IT JUST SAYS MAYBE MEGA THAN THAT.
THAT'S A LOT OF, THAT'S A HUGE, THAT'S A LOT.
SO IF YOU COULD LET US SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO QUANTIFY THAT.
I MEAN I, IT'S NOT GOING TO, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE SIMILAR APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE A STANDARD IN THAT I HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH IS POWER OILS GONNA BE.
I CAN PROBABLY FIGURE THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.
ASSUMING THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT DO CONFIRM THE ANSWER IS NO.
UM, AND YOU'VE CONFIRMED THERE IS AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S VARIABLE POWER YES.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH A SUBSTATION OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL BUILDING AREA IS? OF ALL THE BUILDINGS COMBINED? IS THAT ON THAT SQUARE, SQUARE FOOTAGE? YEAH.
I DON'T WHAT WOULD YOU GUESS CHRIS? APPROXIMATELY.
I MEAN YOU CAN COME UP WITH THAT TO THE NEAREST 50,000 SQUARE FEET TO THE NEAREST.
THERE'S A, OH, IT'S TO BE HONEST.
HUNDRED SQUARE HUNDRED 50,000 SQUARE.
BUT IT IS, I'M ASSUMING YOU USE SOME SORT OF ENERGY STANDARD.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO MEET NEW YORK STATE.
NEW YORK STATE, YOU HAVE TO YES.
BUILDING, IF YOU COULD PUT WHAT CODE THAT IS SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN A SIGNIFICANT STATEMENT.
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ADHERE TO THAT STANDARD AND WHERE IS FORM, BECAUSE THAT'S A YES.BECAUSE THAT, THAT QUESTION ON PART ONE ALSO RELATES TO COMMERCIAL.
THEY DON'T MAKE THE SAME SPECIFICATIONS NOR DO THE QUESTIONS LINE UP NICELY.
YEAH, I KNOW THEY DON'T LINE UP MM-HMM
BUT CAN YOU PROVIDE, OKAY, UM, THE, A WRITEUP ON WHAT YOU'RE, UH, HOW YOU, WHAT YOU GOT FROM ED AND HOW YOU OFFERED THE PLAN.
YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF YEAH, YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO GET YOU THE PLAN BECAUSE I JUST, THAT ALL HAPPENED SINCE FRIDAY NOON.
WE'LL, WE'LL RESUBMIT THE FULL SIZE.
YOU BELOW THE, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE BELOW THE THRESHOLD REQUIRING A SECONDARY NEEDS TO EGRESS.
BECAUSE WE'RE SPRING COURT, WE HAVE TO GO TO SARAH.
HAVE WE HAD ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE DEPARTMENTS ON, WELL HAVE TO SHOW 'EM THIS PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY ON THE, ON THE MOVING OF, OF VEHICLES AROUND.
I ASSUME WE HAVE THE PROPER TURN EVERY DAY.
I SEE ONE THIS LITTLE DEAD END HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AS LONG AS THEY PARK THE TRUCK OUT OUT HERE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BACK OUT YET THERE.
AS LONG AS THEY PARK THE TRUCK THERE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BACK OUT.
IT COMPLIES WITH APPENDIX T THOUGH.
CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE 50 FOOT DEAD END.
WHICH THAT'S LESS THAN ONE 50 FEET.
BUT WE'LL GET INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEN LIKE FOR EXAMPLE ON THIS ONE, THIS ONE'S MORE THAN 150 FEET.
SO WE HAVE THIS LITTLE TURN, WE HAVE TURNAROUND.
AND I DO BELIEVE SARAH HAD REFERRED AT LEAST PRIOR TO THESE UPDATES.
WELL I'LL SHOW THE UPDATE AND MAKE SURE THEY STILL AGREE IF THEY'VE SIGNED OFF.
AND THEN SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING CYCLING RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING AT THIS POINT.
WELL UNLESS THERE'S SOME ISSUE RELATED TO PARKING THAT YOU'RE, REMEMBER YOU'RE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL, SO IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE RELATED TO THE PARKING OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE PARKING'S LAID OUT, THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IS THERE AN ISSUE RELATED TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING? NO.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK SPACES FIRST HOW MANY BEDROOM UNITS WE HAVE BUT THAT WAIT.
WE'RE SHOWING, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN.
AS YOU NOTED, WE'RE SHOWING 318 PARKING SPACES, WHICH MORE THAN EXCEEDS TWO PER UNIT.
GLEN WOULD, GLEN WOULD SAY THAT HE WANTS TO PROVIDE TWO PER UNIT, RIGHT? OF COURSE, YES.
WE'VE LOST SIX UNITS BECAUSE I MEAN THE WORD WOULD BE IF WE GOT TO PARKING AND THEN ASKED FOR MORE OR DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH AND THEN YEAH.
DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH AND, AND THERE'D BE A GREATER IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE MORE PA MM-HMM
SO, AND ALL THE INTERIOR ROADS WILL BE MARKED NO PARKING.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WHAT HAPPENS.
THEY PARK ON THE ROADS AND THEN BLOCK THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
THERE'S HUNDRED AND 74 OPEN SPACES.
WELL THERE'S ACTUALLY 150 GARAGES.
I GOTTA UPDATE THE BOX IN A 1 74 MINUS UH, 1 68 OPEN SPACES.
1 68 FOR A TOTAL OF THREE TEAM.
IS THAT OPEN? THE 168 OPEN, DOES THAT INCLUDE LIKE THE LITTLE DRIVEWAY SPACE? IS THAT COMING, THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THAT? THAT INCLUDES IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE? YES.
SO IF PEOPLE DECIDE TO STORE THINGS IN THEIR GARAGE, THEY LOSE A PARKING SPACE.
AND THEN HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE TOTAL? THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL TWO.
AND THEN IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR UM, STORAGE IN THOSE UNITS? LIKE IF THEY DON'T HAVE BASEMENTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE APARTMENTS, CORRECT? WELL THERE'S STORAGE CLOSETS INSIDE THE UNITS THEMSELVES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN.
LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK AS A, LIKE SAY YOU AND YOUR ROOMMATE LIVE THERE.
WHERE WOULD YOU STORE YOUR BICYCLES AND MM-HMM
LIKE YOUR WINTER ACCESSORIES DURING THE SUMMER.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OUT IS HOW MUCH STORAGE SPACE THEY HAVE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA USE THE GARAGE FOR PARKING.
OR IF IT'S GONNA BE FOR STORAGE OF, WELL I GUESS IT COULD BE USED FOR BOTH.
I MEAN YOU COULD PROBABLY GET YOUR BIKE IN THE GARAGE AND CAR IN THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE SQUARE BUT OF EACH OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH APARTMENT UNIT? APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND.
I WOULD NOTE DREW TO COME BACK ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PARKING.
GENERALLY SPEAKING THESE PROJECTS, AND AGAIN WE WELCOME THE FIRE CHIEF'S INPUT, BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IS YOU CAN ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE.
THERE'S USUALLY SOME PARKING RESTRICTIONS.
WE PROBABLY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PARKING, BUT THEY WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
SO THAT RESULTS IN A LOT OF ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE PARKING FOR VISITS.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN
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HERE AND YOU'RE GONNA VISIT, MOST LIKELY NOT PARKING HERE.WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
IF YOU'RE HAVING VISITORS COME, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IF NEED BE, THERE'S PLACES WHERE WE COULD ADD SOME ADDITIONAL VISITOR PARKING.
IF WE, AGAIN, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE SURFACE, BUT WE CAN RIGHT.
SO THE ONLY OTHER ITEM, TWO ITEMS, TWO AREAS THAT ARE LEFT IS IF THE BOARD COULD WEIGH IN ON THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SEVEN G AND H.
CAN YOU PROVIDE COMMENTS SAME TIME RIGHT BACK TO SARAH, WHICH WAS RELATED TO, UM, HABITAT FOR THE PREDOMINANT SPECIES, WHICH AGAIN IS DEFINED IN THE WORKBOOK AS JUST WHAT'S COMMONLY OCCURRING THERE, AS WELL AS THE CONVERSION OF MORE THAN 10 ACRES OF FOREST TO LAND.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS ON SEVEN G AND H AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE? CAN THAT, THANKS.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THE LAST TWO, THIS IS THE SAME ONES, RIGHT? CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS, INCONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
UH, THERE'S SOME OF THESE THAT I THINK ARE OBVIOUS.
THERE'S NO, UH, WE'RE NOT PLACING AFFORDABLE OR LOW INCOME HOUSING.
NO, I CAN GO THROUGH AND THE ONES THAT ARE VERY CLEARLY NO, BASED ON WHAT'S ON THESE SITES, WE CAN PROVIDE A PRELIMINARY ON THAT.
IF EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS IS GONNA CAUSE THE POPULATION OF THE TOWN DRAW BY MORE THAN 5%.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SAID, WHAT WAS THAT? WE'RE NOT STRETCHING THE TOWN TO GROW ONE MORE THAN 5%.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND CHECK SOME NOS IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT.
THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR BEDROOM, IT GONNA BE 3000 PEOPLE.
SO I, I'M SURPRISED THAT NUMBER'S IN THERE.
THAT'S A STRANGE, SO IN THE HAMBURG, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I DO WORK IN, I'VE DONE WORK IN TOWN, THERE'S LIKE 1500 PEOPLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
5% IS NOT THAT BIG OF A, YOU COULD PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE.
UM, BUT THAT THE BIG ONES ARE, UH, LOOKING AT THE ONES RELATED TO LAND USE PLANS, ZONING REGULATIONS, COUNTY PLANS, REGIONAL LANGUAGE PLANS, UM, AND THEN, UH, ABOUT THE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT THOSE AND PROVIDE THEIR OPINION.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? LIKE THE REMAINING ISSUES THAT WERE LEFT? I THINK SO.
BY THE WAY, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CONFERENCE PLAN IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES BECAUSE IT'S PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD IS HOW DOES IT SUPPORT THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH, WITH THE ZONING, IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS COMMERCIALLY, IT'S WHAT IS YOUR FEELING FOR HOW IT WOULD HELP TO FURTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACCOUNT ZONING WANTS BE ACCORD WITH THE PLANS.
UM, THAT'S, IF THE APPLICANT CAN HELP WITH THAT, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANALYZE THAT AND SAY, WHY WOULD THIS BE A RECOMMENDATION? AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTION.
BUT IT'S PART OF YOUR REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD ON RIGHT.
ON REZONING, THIS PROJECT MUST REFERENCE THE COMPANIES IN ATLANTA.
SO THE TOWN'S OPEN SPACE PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS FROM LIKE THE MID NINETIES.
I'M ASSUMING YOU HELPED DRAFT THIS? NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT WAS PRIOR TO ME.
THERE WAS MR. HOLMAN DID THAT PLAN.
SO DOES THAT APPLY ONLY TO PARK OR TOWN OR COUNTY, LIKE PUBLIC LANDS OR DOES THAT APPLY TO ALL UNDEVELOPED AREAS? DO YOU KNOW? AND IS THERE A, IS THAT AVAILABLE? WELL, THAT'S THE PLAN THAT THOSE, THOSE TWO MAP, THOSE TWO THREE MAPS FROM THAT PLAN THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN, THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
SO YOU SHOULD REFERENCE THOSE MAPS IN, IN, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS IMPORTANT, OPEN SPACE, IMPORTANT RECREATIONAL LANDS, ET CETERA.
SO THAT WAS OF COURSE WHERE WAS 35 YEARS OLD.
THEY'VE RECOMMENDED THE TOWN, THEY NEED TO UPDATE THAT.
I'M SURE THE CONSERVATION BOARD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UPDATING THAT, THAT OPEN SPACE PLAN.
AND THEY'VE DONE SOME MAPPING.
I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT OF WHAT IS AND UP AND UP, UP, UP TO DATE OPEN SPACE PLAN.
THE, THE, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION REFERS TO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IMPORTANT OPEN SPACES OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EXISTS IN A PLAN.
YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU DOCUMENT IT AS AS WHATEVER.
SO YES, WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE REFERRING TO THOSE MAPS THAT ARE IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
WHICH ARE THE OLD, WHICH TALKS ABOUT IMPORTANT GREEN SPACE.
YOU MEAN THE MAPS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR NO, WHAT'S THAT? THE MAPS THAT SAY ENVIRONMENTAL?
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NO, THERE, NO, THERE WAS, UH, SEPARATE MAPS IN THE BACK OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.I KNOW FROM THE OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE PLAN THAT SHOW IMPORTANT OPEN SPACES, ET CETERA, WITHIN, WITHIN THE TOWN.
BUT THERE'S THE REPORT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, IS THE REST OF THE REPORT AVAILABLE? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.
I'VE LOOKED, I MAY HAVE A COPY OF IT.
I WAS HANDED ONE IN A HARD COPY WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE TOWN 26 YEARS AGO.
AND THEN THEY USED TO HAVE ALL THE MAPS FOR MY BAR MAPS IN A DRAWER.
AND NOW THERE'S SOMEPLACE OUT OF THE NIKE BASE THAT NO ONE CAN FIND.
SO LUCKILY I INCORPORATED THOSE MAPS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THEY ARE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU HAVE A COPY, I WILL FIND YOU A COPY OF THE, DID YOU GO OVER THE CHANGES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW? YEAH.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT AGAIN? YES, PLEASE.
SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD TWO CURB CUTS ONTO BIGTREE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY HERE AND HERE.
AND ON THE LEFT ONE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS REPRESENT WAS UH, UH, RECOMMENDING RETRIP TO PROVIDE A DEDICATED TURN.
I SPOKE TO EDWARD HOUSE, GIVEN THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THURSDAY, MAY 27TH.
HE SAID, WELL, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS IN WRITING YET.
HE DID NOT FORESEE THIS PROJECT OR THE MANCO PROJECT HAVING ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE WET SO PROJECT, HE REMINDED ME OF THE CONTROLLED ACCESS POLICY AND SAID IT WOULD BE DOT'S EXTREME PREFERENCE THAT WE ELIMINATE ONE OF THE TWO CURB CUTS AND HAVE A CENTRALLY LOCATED CURB CUT OPPOSITE THE EXISTING CURB CUT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
HERE THERE'S A SMALL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
SO THE UPDATED PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING NOW SHOWS THAT IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE WITH RESPECT TO MOVEMENTS OUT OF THE SITE, WE'RE SHOWING BOTH A DEDICATED LEFT-HAND TURN AND A DEDICATED RIGHT HAND TURN ON THE APRON.
SO WE HAVE INCORPORATED THAT INPUT.
I EMAILED A COPY OF THIS BACK TO EDWARD KOWSKI.
I DID ASK HIM ONCE HE HAD FINALIZED HIS REVIEW TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF COMMENT LETTER, EMAIL, ET CETERA, TO SARAH AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR SEARCH SEEKER.
AND THAT RESULTED IN US LOSING SIX UNITS.
SO WE WERE DOWN FROM 156 UNITS TO 150 UNITS.
SO DOES THAT MEET, I'M ASSUMING THE WHATEVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL WANT IN TERMS OF RIGHT? IT DOES.
WE HAVE ONE IF EVERY, IF EVERYTHING'S SPRINKLER, YOU CAN GO UP TO 200 UNITS.
BECAUSE WE'RE SPRINKLING EVERYTHING.
CAN YOU DOCUMENT IT? PUT THAT IN YOUR LIST? SURE.
YOU JUST A BULLETED LIST OF FINE.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS ALL I HAD ON THAT ONE.
AMO MARK? NO, BASICALLY I JUST GOT, YOU KNOW, SAME CONCERNS FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
STARTED PROTECTING, PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY WHILE PROTECTING THE CHARACTER AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE LAKE WATERSHED ALONG WITH THE RUSH CREEK CORRIDOR.
WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECTS OF BOTH THOSE SUBDIVISIONS.
THEY WILL BE IMPACTING THE LEAKY WATERSHED.
MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY, SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MAKO TO JUNE 16TH.
SEE NOW I'M MESSING UP SOMEBODY ELSE'S NAME.
DOESN'T IT FEEL BETTER NOW? IT DOES.
UH, MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, GLEN WETZEL TO JUNE 16TH.
HE GOT IT BEFORE I FINISHED SAYING IT.
AND AL WE'RE GONNA GET LIKE BUZZES.
LIKE, LIGHT ON BECAUSE AL SECONDED EVERYTHING HE DID, HE AND I DIDN'T USE HIS NAME.
ONCE I HAVE A QUESTION AND I FEEL A LITTLE BAD ABOUT IT.
YOU WANT ME TO SIT AROUND FOR A SECOND? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES, RIGHT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES FROM THE LAST ONE.
OH, DOUG, BEFORE THEY OH, YOU ALREADY DID IT.
REMEMBER DOUG COULDN WANTED TWO.
WELL, NO, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED IS I, I SAID SORRY.
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WE SEE MORE THAN YOU, THAN THIS.