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PULL THE, IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT GOES TO THE SCREEN, IT HI UP BASED OFF OF LIKE, YEAH.I DIDN'T GET AN EMAIL OF IT, SO I JUST WROTE ONE UP.
HOW YOU DOING? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? EXCELLENT.
WHAT'S AT YOU? YOU BROUGHT YOUR LITTLE LUNCH BAG.
WELL, YEAH, I WAS RUNNING AROUND ALL DAY WITH THE GRANDKID.
YOU, HOW LONG BE HERE? THE OTHER PACK OF MEAL? PARDON? DON'T.
OH, THAT'S JUST MY TWO DIET ROOT BEERS IN KNOW.
I TELL BILL, I HAVE, NOT ONLY DO I HAVE A MEETING EVERY NIGHT IN JUNE.
A LOT OF THE NIGHTS I HAVE TWO OR THREE MEETINGS.
WHAT'S THAT? WE, YOU ALSO SAID MONDAY ON THE THING I EMAILED YOU GUYS.
SAW THAT I MEETING, I'M NOT AWARE YOU GUYS ARE ON YOUR TOES.
I WANTED TO SAY, I'M SORRY FOR SENDING IT OFF MONDAY, BUT I SAID FOUR 24TH IS MY LAST DAY WITH STUDENTS.
I WAS GONNA SAY I, SO YOU SEE YES.
I'VE BEEN DOING BOTH AT THE LAST FRONT GO AT THE WORK SESSION.
STEP SITS NEXT TO ME AND STARTS TEXTING ME.
SO HOW'S THIS WORK? AND I GO, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO A TOWN BOARD MEETING? WAS THAT THE ONE ABOUT THE SKYWAY YOU WAS AT? WHAT'S THAT? WAS THAT THE SKYWAY AT YEAH, THE ONE WHERE PEOPLE WERE PICKETING OUT FRONT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE GONNA COME TO OUR MEETING.
THERE WAS A THING ON THE INTERNET SAYING SHOW UP AT TOWN HALL AT OUR LAST MEETING.
I SAID, NO, THAT'S THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU WANT TO GO TO THIS TOWN BOARD MEETING.
I SAID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA TALK.
DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE HOW THAT PROJECT DIED?
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WHEN AND FOR ALL THOSE YEARS OF PUSHING LIKE HELL, IT WAS LIKE THEY SAT IN A ROOM AND WENT, NOPE.THEY JUST KEEP CHANGING WHAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT.
SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION IS 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO DIS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING 117,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENT LOCATED AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
AND CONSTRUCT AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY FOR SENIORS AND 17 APARTMENT S.
IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD IN THE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE INCORPORATED SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE? THEY MADE A COUPLE CHANGES HERE.
SO YOU, IS THERE A RIGHT THERE? OH, SO THIS IS STILL A SKETCH? THIS IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE ANYTHING.
I, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT BROKEN.
WE'LL USE IT AS LONG AS NO, AS LONG AS, ARE WE READY? OH YEAH.
HOW YOU GUYS, SO GOOD EVENING.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU EITHER A MONTH AGO OR SIX WEEKS AGO IN TERMS OF SKETCH PLAN REVIEW.
WE'RE STILL AT SKETCH PLAN REVIEW, ABSOLUTELY NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISION.
BUT ROB AND I, BASED ON THE INPUT WE RECEIVED DURING THAT MEETING, DECIDED BEFORE WE HAD CARINA, WOULD MORRIS PROCEED WITH FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS THAT MAYBE IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARD AND TRY AND INCORPORATE SOME OF THE INPUT WE RECEIVED DURING THAT MEETING.
UM, ROB SAVERINO HAS WORKED CLOSELY ON UPDATING THE LAYOUT.
SO ROB, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW ON WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, AND THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THAT PREVIOUS WORK SESSION.
SO WE BASICALLY INCORPORATED, UH, SIX OR SEVEN COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UM, NAMELY NUMBER ONE, WE UPDATED THE SITE DATA BOX TO INCLUDE, UH, THE NUMBER OF CAR PARKS AND ALSO HOW MANY TWO BEDROOM AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS ARE IN THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, ADDED AN, AN EXTENSIVE ARRAY OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS OR TRAIL RAYS INSIDE THE PROJECT.
I THINK THAT WAS A BIG POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR LAST, UH, OUR LAST PRESENTATION.
INCLUDING SOME POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS TO HILBERT.
RIGHT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, UH, THIS IS THE POTENTIAL CONNECTION TO HILBERT HERE.
UH, AND AGAIN, ALL SIDE, ALL PARKING AREAS AND SIDEWALKS ARE LINKED VIA THE, UH, THE TRAILS ON THE INSIDE OF THE PROJECT.
AGAIN, JUST FOR A REFERENCE WHERE YOU SEE THIS DARKENED AREA, THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING CONVENT SITS NOW, THAT'LL BE RAISED.
WE HAVE TO ABATE THAT BUILDING, THEN RAISE IT.
AND, UH, IN ITS PLACE WILL, UH, WILL BE THE THREE STORY SENIOR APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S A COMMON CORRIDOR BUILDING.
AND THEN THE GREEN HERE AGAIN, 17, UH, EIGHT UNIT APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UM, AND WE'VE BROKE OUT WHICH BUILDINGS HAVE THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS IN IT.
AND I THINK WE ALSO HAVE MORE OF A BUFFERING TREATMENT ON SOLES THAN WE ORIGINALLY HAD.
WE, WE, WE BOTH AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN, RIGHT? WE BOLSTERED THE, UH, BUFFERING, UH, UH, WITH THE EXPOSURE TO SOULS ROAD.
AND WE ALSO ADDED A, UH, SIGN IN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A MASONRY, UH, SORT OF A, A SIGNAGE WITH A MASONRY FENCE, UH, AND A BERM, A TWO LEVEL BERM WITH FLOWERING ANNUAL FLOWERS TO BRIGHTEN UP THAT CORNER.
'CAUSE THAT IS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE CORNER.
SO THAT'LL BE THE, UH, SORT OF THE PROJECT SIGNAGE RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER OF SOULS AND, UH, SOUTH PARK.
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UH, THE ROUTE 16 ON THE NFTA BUS ROUTE.UH, THERE IS A STOP RIGHT AT THE CURB CUT.
UH, BUT THERE'S NO, UH, SHELTER THERE.
SO WE'LL ADD A BUS SHELTER, UH, RIGHT.
UH, RIGHT WHERE THAT, UH, BUS STOP IS, UH, WITH A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
WITH A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FORCE TO IT.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, ADDED SOME GAZEBOS IN THE RECREATION AREA.
SO WE HAVE TWO TO THREE GAZEBOS ADDED.
WE ADDED A PATIO ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO YOU HAVE THIS, UH, CENTRAL POND, UH, THAT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED.
OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER, BUT WE HAVE SORT OF TWO PATIOS OF THE TWO COMMUNITIES LOOKING AT THE POND THAT I'M ENVISIONING THAT POND TO BE, UM, UH, A WATER POND AND PERHAPS A WET POND.
AND PERHAPS WE'D PUT A, A FOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING IN IT TO MAKE A MORE, MORE OF A FOCAL POINT.
DO YOU KNOW CHRIS? THERE NO OTHER PONDS? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS OVER HERE, UM, HAD A POND DOWN IN THE ONE CORNER BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SAVING THE TREES DOWN THERE TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION OF THE ROAD LOOK NICE.
SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A POND DOWN THERE.
CAN WE SAVE MORE OF THE TREES? THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD STANDARD TREES DOWN IN THAT ONE CORNER DOWN THERE.
YEAH, WE HAVE WHERE THAT ENTRANCE ROAD COMES IN, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE HEAVY I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
SO THE PROBLEM WITH THAT WAS WE WERE ONLY PROPOSING THE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? SO WE HAD TO DO THE STORM WATER FOR THE APARTMENTS ALREADY.
BUT NOW IF WE'RE NOT PUTTING UPON THERE, THEN POSSIBLY ASK CHRIS IF THERE'S
WE PUT THE, THE LANDSCAPE BURNS ALONG THE ROAD, WHICH ARE REAL NICE.
BUT THEN IF WE CAN SAVE THAT STANDARD TREES RIGHT BY THE INTERSECTION.
AND THAT WAS THE LAND, THE EXTRA TWO ACRES.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY BOB WALTER, THE LANDSCAPE, A ARCHITECTURAL LOOK AT IT.
THERE'S ALL WE DO, WE HAVE MADE A SWITCH IN ENGINEERS WITH CHRIS WOOD DESIGNING THIS PROJECT.
THEY'LL SHUT DESIGN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
SO, SO, UM, HOWEVER, CHRIS HAS BILL SHUTS CAT FILE.
SO WE'LL TRY TO, I KNOW HE HAS THE, THAT, THAT PREVIOUS, UH, FOR DESIGN, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I'M CONCERNED WITH SOME OF THE PLANTINGS ON BERMS AND HOW WE'RE APPROPRIATELY WATERING THAT.
ARE YOU GONNA PUT SOME SORT OF IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME FAILURES ON LANDSCAPING ON BERMS RECENTLY BECAUSE THOSE TEND TO DRY OUT FASTER THERE.
AND IF UNTIL STUFF IS ESTABLISHED ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY TREES TO HAVE DEEPER ROOTS, YEAH.
I THINK I WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.
WE HAVE TO WITH THE PLANTING, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S APPROPRIATE MOISTURE FOR THAT TO GO.
LET ME TALK TO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE'D HAVE TO BRING A LANDSCAPE ENGINEER, UH, LANDSCAPE A ARCHITECT ON BOARD.
SO WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK WITH THAT.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS SPENDING MONEY TO HAVE SOMETHING LOOK TWICE AS BAD.
THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SHOULD KNOW.
WE WON'T BE EXACT GROW ON THERE.
ALSO NOW THE TOWN HAS A REQUIREMENT OR LAW, THEY'RE GONNA POST UP TO MAINTAIN THOSE FOR A PERIOD OF, I THINK FIVE TO 10 YEARS AND REPLACE THEM.
IT'S GOTTA BE DESIGNED BY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PEOPLE WHO BUILT BERMS AND PUT TREES ON 'EM.
I WOULD ENVISION WE USE BOB, WE USE, SO WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE TAKE THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, I KNOW THERE'S BIG PUSHES TO PUT BERMS FOR SCREENING AND THE, THE TREES ON TOP EM, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT IF RIGHT.
AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A A SIX, A THREE FOOT BERM WITH JUST A LITTLE PEAK THAT THEY NEVER DO.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME MANUALS HERE, LITTLE BREAK UP THE CORNER.
UM, AGAIN, IN THE RECREATION AREAS THAT ARE DRAWN, WE ADDED GAZEBOS.
UM, WE HAVE THE, UH,
UH, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I MISSED.
NO, I THINK THAT'S, UH, WE HAVE ORDERED A TRAFFIC ST STUDY FROM SRF.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE IN PROCESS NOW.
SO WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO MAKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEY WERE IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS WE RECEIVED DIRECTLY FROM THIS BOARD.
WE FIGURED, AGAIN, BEFORE WE START GOING, GOING DOWN THE PATH OF ENGINEERING, IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO TAKE ONE STEP BACKWARDS.
IT'S COME BACK, SHOW YOU THE UPDATED PLAN, SEE IF YOU HAD ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT.
WE HEARD A COUPLE, WE HEARD YOUR COMMENT FROM DREW, HEARD ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM CAITLIN, AND THEN MAKE SURE AS WE GO FORWARD, WE BUILD THAT INTO THE LAYOUT.
YEAH, I AGREE ABOUT THOSE TREES ALONG THAT DRIVE OFF SOLES.
IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A NICE DRIVE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO HILBERT.
THERE'S GOT THE TREES ON BOTH SIDES.
MY, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD SOUTH PARK TOO, AND THE TREES SOUTH PARK TOO.
WHEN I, SO WHEN I LEFT THE PLAN, MIGHT AS WELL THROW THIS OUT THERE.
WHEN I LEFT THAT PLANNING BOARD MEETING THAT NIGHT, I DROVE DOWN SOUTH PARK OF COURSE, AND LOOKED AT THE, THE EVERGREEN TREES ALONG SOUTH PARK.
I DIDN'T THINK THEY'RE IN PARTICULARLY GOOD SHAPE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON THEM.
THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE TOO CLOSE AND THEY, THAT THEY'RE VERY TALL.
THEY'RE TALL, NOT REALLY SCREENING.
AND I GUESS PART OF THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW LONG THEY'RE GONNA RIGHT.
IT'S SOMETHING WELL, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO BOB ABOUT OKAY.
AND NUMBER ONE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
ARE THOSE TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR?
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I DON'T THINK SO.SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT WAY? THEY ARE CLOSING? NO, I THINK THEY'RE UNDER PROPERTY.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THOSE TREES ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME SHELF LIFE ON THOSE TREES, SO.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY PROVIDE GOOD SCREEN, THEY PROVIDE GOOD SCREENING.
THEY'RE LIKE A FOCAL POINT IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS NICE.
RATHER THAN LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT HALL IMMATURE TREE.
SO, WELL, WE'RE NOT, I JUST THINK YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT SPECIFICALLY ROB.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DIFFERENT CURB CUTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THAT'S NOT IN THE PATH OF DEVELOPMENT HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD SAVE THEM.
SO WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE POND THAT WAS HERE, CORRECT.
SO THE POND WAS, THE POND WAS BACK HERE.
BUT THIS IS THE ONE DREW WAS MENTIONED.
BECAUSE REMEMBER WE ONLY HAD THE WATERFALL OR WHATEVER THAT GONE.
THIS IS THE ONE DREW WAS REFERENCING.
SO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING AGAIN, 'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT, IT'S HERE AND HERE AND WHAT'S ROB SAYING IS HE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A WET POND, A FOCAL POINT, PERHAPS HAVE A FOUNTAIN INSTEAD.
SO IT WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE OTHER STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA, IS THAT A DETENTION OR A RETENTION? I'M NOT SURE IF WE KNOW YET.
DO WE HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IT'S, IF IT'S HAND MARIA HERE, SHE WOULD TELL YOU IT IS BOTH.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN AREA FOR QUALITY TREATMENT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR, BUT WHETHER IT'LL BE A WET POND.
RIGHT? WELL, THERE'LL BE A WET POND.
WELL BE WET ALL THE TIME FOR PARTS.
THEY'RE GONNA ALWAYS BE STANDING WATER OR NOT.
WE HAVE TO DO THE STORM WATER QUALITY REGARDLESS.
THEY'LL MOST LIKELY THERE'LL BE A FORAY TOO.
THE, SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE OUTCROPPING OF A SMALLER POND AREA YEAH.
THERE, THE, THE FLOOR BASE TEND TO BE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TOO.
SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME GREEN, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT R YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
AND THERE'S, TAMMY'S NOT HERE, SO I'D LET HER, I WON'T HERE.
WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD SOME PROJECTS WHERE THERE'S A POND OR TWO AND THEN THERE'S A BIORETENTION AREA THAT'S DRY, UH, THAT TAKE ON WATER DURING A, A BIG EVENT.
WITH THE PLANT, WITH THE PLANTS.
SO I THINK, UM, AND I KNOW HOW CHRIS OPERATES.
HE TAKES A LOOK AT, HE, HE WANTS TO HAVE THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE DESIGNED.
SO MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THERE'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT PROPOSED MM-HMM.
IS ANY OF IT GONNA BE PERMEABLE OR ALTERNATIVE? OR IS IT ALL JUST TRADITIONAL ASPHALTED PARKING LOT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER TECHNIQUES TO IMPROVE STORM WATER RECHARGE? WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULD TALKED TO CHRIS WOOD ABOUT THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING AREA, YOU KNOW.
AND IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO WITHSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, SNOW SALTING AND THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE QUESTIONS I'VE ALREADY POSED TO CHRIS.
IT DOES HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF WRECK AREA PER, PER THE, UH, AREA OF THE, OF THE PLANT.
I THINK WE NEEDED 68,000 FEET.
SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION SINCE YOU JUST BROUGHT UP SNOW, IS ALL OF THIS PARKING LOT IS BASICALLY FULL OF PARKING SPACES.
WHERE ARE YOU PROPOSING SNOW STORAGE? UH, THAT'S ALWAYS THE POINT.
UM, WHEN, WHEN CHRIS COMES OUT WITH A CONCEPT DESIGN, THEN I SIT DOWN AND SAY, WE'RE SNOW PUSH.
UM, SO I EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME NUANCE TO THAT PLAN TO PROVIDE THE AREAS TO PUSH NO DOWN.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
UH, ARE YOU PROPOSING TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT OR, UM, SO WHAT DO WE SHOW? WE SHOW EITHER WE DO.
SO WE, WE SHOW 564 TOTAL SPACES.
80 OF THOSE SPACES ARE GARAGE SPACES.
109 ARE DESIGNATED OPEN SPACES FOR THE SENIOR PROJECT.
AND 375 ARE CONSIDERED OPEN FOR THE BALANCE.
THEY LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE MORE THAN, UH, MORE THAN TWO SPACES PER RIGHT.
WE DO JUST LIKE VISITORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WILL THERE BE ANY DESIGNATED HANDICAP SHEET? YEAH.
I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT MAYBE WE CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE SENIOR HOUSING.
DO WE NEED TO PER UNIT, WELL MEANING MAYBE WE SHOW SOME PAPER PARKING THAT IF WE NEEDED, WE COULD INSTALL, BUT REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OR SOMETHING.
HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE YOU TALKING FOR? THE SENIOR HOUSING.
SO THE, SO THE SENIOR HAS 125 UNITS AND IT HAS 28 OF THE 125 OR ONE BEDROOM.
RIGHT? WELL, 108 TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
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BUT YOU WILL GET A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE TWO BEDROOM WITH ONE PEOPLE UNIT KNOW.IT'S RIGHT ON THE, IN THE SITE DATA BOX.
IT'S HARD TO READ IF IT'S, NO, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD AT LEAST LOOK AT AS PARKING.
YOU GUYS DOOR APPROVES THE PARKING.
SO YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO A STUDY OR DO THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK AND THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO VISITOR PARKING, OBVIOUSLY VISITOR.
WE SHOULD ASK SR TO INCLUDE THE PARKING DEMAND IN THERE.
I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD TALKED ABOUT A MEDICAL BUILDING WHERE THIS ORANGE RIGHT THING IS, YEAH, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU NEED FOR THAT? AND IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG IT IS, THEY'RE GONNA ALSO NEED ALL THIS SPACES.
SO LET ME SHARE A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THAT.
IT IS, I MENTIONED AT, AT OUR, OUR FIRST, UH, PRESENTATION, WE'RE IN, UH, PRELIMINARY TALKS WITH HILBERT COLLEGE TO, UH, UH, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HILBERT.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE, UH, A DESIRE TO FORMULATE 357 VETERANS TOTAL AN OPERATING ENTITY TO OPERATE THAT AS A HEALTHCARE FACILITY IN COORDINATION WITH HILBERT.
UM, MUCH LIKE WAS THAT PART OF THEIR ACADEMIC PROGRAMS? RIGHT.
IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS RECENTLY, IN THE PAST WEEK, VILLE COLLEGE DOWNTOWN OPENED UP THE HUB.
UM, AND IT'S A BRAND NEW, UH, $28 MILLION FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO BE AN EDUCATION CENTER FOR DOABLE STUDENTS, BUT ALSO IT, IT WILL PROVIDE HEALTHCARE TO THE COMMUNITY, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S A DEFICIENCY IN SERVICES.
SO, UH, MAUREEN FINNEY HAS BEEN HIRED, THE NEW PROVOST AT HILBERT COLLEGE HAS BEEN HIRED.
SHE WAS THE ARCHITECT OF THAT PLAN AT DOABLE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION STARTED.
UH, DOABLE HAS ABOUT 60,000 FEET OF A NEW BUILDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS OUR GOAL TO CREATE SOME SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH HILBERT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF WE FIND THAT THE PARKING IS A MUCH GREATER NEED, THE DISCUSSIONS ARE THAT HILBERT WILL PROVIDED ON THEIR PORTION.
IS THAT MEDICAL CENTER GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR JUST FOR THE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
BUT CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT, IT'S, YOU WANNA MAKE CAREFUL IT'S NOT YET, IT'S NOT JUST A DISCUSSION THAT REALLY IS NOT FOR PUBLIC BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF GOING THROUGH IT.
BUT YES, THERE WOULD BE SERVICES FOR, UM, FOR HAMBURG AND SOUTH.
SO IT'D BE A PUBLIC BENEFIT IF THEY HAD, CORRECT.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE SENIOR HOUSING COMPLEX? 'CAUSE I'M CALCULATING, THERE'S 213 SENIOR HOUSING BEDROOMS. SO WE HAVE, UM, THERE ARE, WHERE IS THIS PARKING TOTAL? YEAH, THERE'S 564 TOTAL SPACES.
BUT I'M WONDERING HOW MANY ARE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE SENIOR HOUSING? THERE'S ONE TO ONE, SO JUST UNDER ONE TO ONE.
SO WE HAVE TO CALCULATE, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME STANDING IN FRONT OF THE, SO WE HAVE 109 OPEN SPOTS FOR THE SENIORS, WHICH IS JUST UNDER ONE TO ONE.
THEN WE HAVE THE GARAGES FOR SENIORS.
SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE 40 GARAGES FOR THE SENIORS, SO ADD 40 TO THE 109.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR SENIOR.
YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A, THAT INCLUDES THE VISITOR PARKING.
THEN THE SENIORS, LIKE PEOPLE VISIT GOING IN, THERE WILL BE VISITORS OF COURSE.
OUR, OUR STUDIES SHOW, AND WE, WE'VE DEVELOPED A FAIR AMOUNT OF, OF THIS PRODUCT IS ABOUT ONE TO ONE IS WHERE YOU ARE ON AN INDEPENDENT LIVING STRUCTURE AT MOST.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT A HIGH, UH, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE THE CAR.
THE OTHER THING YOU FIND, MEGAN AND ROB, YOU KNOW THIS NOW, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN MY MOM LIVED ALL THESE PLACES, THE DAY IT OPENS IS THE DAY WHEN IT BECOMES FULL IS THE DATE WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE PEAK PARKING DEMAND BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNGER PEOPLE MOVING IN.
THEY GENERALLY, OFTENTIMES, LIKE MY MOM, STAY THERE AS LONG AS THEY CAN.
AND WHEN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE MY MOM LIVED 20 YEARS LATER, THERE WASN'T HALF THE CARS THAT WERE THERE 20 YEARS EARLIER BECAUSE IT WASN'T, TO A LARGE DEGREE, A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE, BUT THEY COULD NO LONGER DRIVE.
THE NATIONAL DATA IS SAYING THAT YOU NEED, UM, FOR EVERY ONE BEDROOM, HALF A PARKING SPACE THAT'S TRYING MAKE SURE IS THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ADEQUATE PARKING.
I THINK WE, I THINK, THINK WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS, AND ALSO CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR, WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE SURPLUS.
WE, WE, WE, WE MOST LIKELY HAVE A SURPLUS, BUT 207 MORE SPACES IN BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
BUT WE DO NEED TO LEAVE ENOUGH FOR THAT, THAT BIG BUILDING.
WELL THAT'S, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT PLACE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MANY SPACES THE PROPOSED FUNCTION MIGHT NEED.
WE'LL LOOK THAT RIGHT VERSUS THE OTHER.
WELL, HOW, THE REASON WHY YOU SEE THIS PARKING AROUND THE MEDICAL, AND AGAIN, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE LESS KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS AN
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EXISTING BUILDING IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.1993 VINTAGE, WE ARE GOING TO, IT'S ANNEXED TO THE BUILDING WE'RE TAKING DOWN.
SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE OFF THIS.
WE, THERE'S TWO ELEVATOR BANKS THAT SERVICE THE MEDICAL BUILDING.
THERE'S AN ELEVATOR BANK ON THIS, UH, EAST SIDE AND THEN THERE'S AN ELEVATOR BANK UP AGAINST, 'CAUSE IT WAS ANNEXED TO THE BUILDING.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING TWO FORMS OF TRA FOOT TRAFFIC INTO THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN ACCESS THE ELEVATORS.
SO WE DRAPED THE PARKING AROUND TO CREATE TWO ENTRANCES, BUT THIS IS IN NO WAY A FINAL DRAWING.
THAT'S WHY I HAD TO START HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH HILBERT.
IF THERE'S AN EXTRA HIGH DEMAND THAT THEY HAVE TO FREE UP SOME LAND, WHICH IS VACANT AND THEY CAN DO.
SO I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I'M WONDERING ABOUT.
IS THERE THE POTENTIAL, IF DOWN THE LINE THAT YOU COULD CONNECT SOME OF THESE PARKING LOTS OR PROVIDE ROAD ACCESS IF NEEDED TO CONNECT WITH BERT, WITH GILBERT? I MEAN, NOW YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK YOU, YOU'D BE FINE WITH THAT.
WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING TOO, IS IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIALLY TRYING TO PARK RIGHT THEN THEY'RE, THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO CUT, HOW ARE THEY GONNA CUT BACK IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO OVERFLOW OFFSET? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT AT LEAST FROM A PROGRAMMATIC STANDPOINT, UH, HILBERT WILL MAKE THEIR CAMPUS AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS HERE, ESPECIALLY THE SENIORS HERE.
UM, UH, THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SO NICE TO OFFER UP, UH, LIBRARY USE, PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, THE RUNNING TRACK, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO YEAH, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE A SYMBIO RELATIONSHIP, BUT BE TOLD IT.
BUT THIS PROJECT STARTED BEFORE THIS DISCUSSION, SO THIS IS ONGOING AND I'M TRYING TO RAMP THAT UP AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
THE LAW REQUIRES THEN A LITTLE BIT ACCESS MANAGEMENT CONNECTION BETWEEN, THEY HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE CONNECTION OFF OF THE ACCESS ROAD OVER HERE, WHICH OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WAS THE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT FROM.
BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD ANOTHER ONE UP HERE.
'CAUSE THAT WE REDUCE THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT WAY.
WE, WE DO HAVE AN EASEMENT TO USE THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY.
WE DO HAVE AN EASEMENT IN PLACE.
I THINK WE'RE SEEING WHETHER COULD THERE BE ANOTHER CONNECTION DIRECTLY INTERNAL? IF, IF IF THE, UH, IF THE VISION RING TRUE, THEN IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO EXPAND PARKING THERE AND MAKE IT CONNECTED.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE PACK OR WHAT'S THE BANNER OR CONFIGURATION? AND REMEMBER, KEEP IN MIND IT'S A HOLDING PLACE.
WHAT WOULD YOU GUESS, ROB, THAT SIZE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
UH, WELL, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING HERE, THE WHAT POND? SO, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, THE MEDICAL BUILDING THAT SITS, THE ORANGE STRUCTURE, THE MEDICAL BUILDING HAS A FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 20,000 FEET.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE THAT ABOUT THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE, PROBABLY.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED IT FOR PART TWO.
HAVING JUST CLOSELY GONE THROUGH TWO OTHER CARTOONS THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, WE'LL NEED THAT NUMBER.
AND AGAIN, ALL THAT'LL COME OUT WITH THE ENGINEERING, WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT STEP.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST NOTHING MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO GO SPEND MONEY ON ENGINEERING AND FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS WE DECIDED JUST TO COME BACK AND SAY WE INCORPORATED THE COMMENTS YOU WANTED.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? AND I THINK WE, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I LIKE THE ADDITIONS YOU MADE AND IT'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INTERVIEW WITH STUFF.
AND I'M, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW CONNECTIONS THINGS HAPPEN.
THAT'LL BE THE ONLY LAST THING WE TALKING ABOUT.
TRAFFIC, PARKING, LANDSCAPING, INTERCONNECTION.
THE CODE ALSO REQUIRES ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SET FROM DAY ONE, VERY IMPORTANT CORNER.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WHAT THIS BUILDING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, WHAT IT'S REPLACING IS NOT THE MOST AESTHETIC PLEASING BUILDING, BUT I MEAN, IT IS A PROMINENT CORNER.
NO, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE ELEVATION PLANS AND WE MADE AN EFFORT TO KEEP IT, UM, YOU KNOW, INITIAL DESIGNS.
I WAS LOOKING AT FOUR STORY BUILDING, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK DOWN TO A BUILDING THAT WAS, UH, THAT REPLICATES THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING STANDING THERE NOW.
AND I THINK, ROB, YOU WANNA REITERATE, ROB REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME EFFORT TO SEE IF HE COULD REUSE THAT BUILDING.
IT'S YEAH, IT'S THIS CAN I LIKE IT IF YOU CAN KEEP THE BUILDING BEHIND THERE THAT, THAT HAS SOME COOL, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
UH, THAT'S A, A FUNNY FEELING.
YOU, YOU WALK INTO THAT, UH, HEALTHCARE FACILITY AS IT STANDS NOW, ESPECIALLY AS IT COMPARED TO THE CONVENT.
IT'S LIKE THEY WERE USING THE HEALTHCARE FACILITY AND ONE DAY THEY SORT OF JUST WALKED OUT AND LEFT EVERYTHING THERE.
SO IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, YOU COULD STEP BACK IN AND USE IT.
IT'S SORT OF AN, AH, ALL THE EQUIPMENT'S
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HERE, ALL THE EVERYTHING'S THERE.WE REPLACED THE BOILER IN THAT BUILDING.
UH, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP, KEEP RUNNING THROUGH IT.
IT'S A, IT'S AN EERIE FEELING TO SEE IT
SO LIKE SOMEONE'S CLOSED, WE'RE STILL THERE.
LIKE SOMEONE'S WORKING AT A DESK AND SAID, SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, IT'S TIME TO GO.
ROB, WHO IS THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT IS 5 2 7 2 SOUTH SOUTH PARK.
SO, SO THAT, THAT ENTITY IS COMPRISED OF A PARTNERSHIP CALLED S AND N.
SO S STANDS FOR NICK SINATRA AND N IS FOR THE NEW NULA BROTHERS.
SO IT'S BASICALLY PHIL ULA WHO RUNS S SIX HOMES.
I WOULD SORT OF CALL PHIL THE FRONT RUNNER IN THE N PORTION OF THAT.
AND THEN NICK SINATRA IS THE S OP C.
SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE PUTTING THIS ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA? IT IS A HUGE, THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT ONCE YOU HAD, ONCE WE DO THE, YOU GO F AND PLAN THAT SARAH WAS SORT OF COORDINATED REVIEW.
BUT DO YOU WANNA SEE IT AGAIN BEFORE THAT HAPPENS? RIGHT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT UNTIL THEY HAVE A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WHICH COULD BE, WELL I THINK THAT WE'RE ALREADY OKAY WITH THAT.
SO I THINK WE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANT US TO COME BACK AGAIN, I THINK AT LEAST WE GOT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WHAT'S SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? SO YOU'RE SAYING NOT, YOU WON'T BE ON UNTIL YOU TELL ME.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE GOTTA, YEAH, WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, CHRIS HAS DONE US TO DO SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE A THOROUGH APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE'LL PROVIDE ADEQUATE COPIES FOR SARAH SO THEY CAN SEND OUT FOR 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.
IT'S GONNA BE A BIT BEFORE BACK.
YOU'RE GONNA GET THE FROM MARY
ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST, UH, TIME WE MET WAS THE DEMOLITION PLAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR, THERE WILL BE A FULL SET OF DEMOLITION PLANS AND THE PROCEDURES AND THE, UH, THE, THE ASBESTOS SURVEY WILL ALL BE CONTAINED IN OUR PLANS, INCLUDING THE METHOD AND HOW WE'RE GONNA, THE DURATION OF, UH, DEMOLITION AND ALL THAT.
I THINK ROB MAYBE THE, THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT.
AND I WELCOME I THINK, CAITLYN, YOU HAD THE COMMENT.
MAYBE WE WRITE UP AT LEAST A NARRATIVE AND ATTACH IT TO THE AF SOMETHING EXPLAINING ROB GENERAL, YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH OF THAT.
HOW HAS PROPOSED THE, THE DEMOLITION IS GOING TO BE A SELECT DEMOLITION.
SO I MEAN THAT DE THAT DEMOLITION, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY MOVE IN AND THE BUILDING DROPS IN A DAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, BITS AND PIECES BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA STRIP CERTAIN PORTIONS OF IT TO REUSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLONDE BRICK WILL BE CRUSHED IN PLACE AND USED FOR SELECT FILL.
AND WE TRY TO USE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
THE ASBESTOS HAS TO GO OFF TO A CERTAIN LANDFILLS, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PERMIT.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STATE PROCEDURE AS WELL.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL ITEMIZE ALL OF THAT IN OUR PLANS THAT WE, THAT WE SUBMIT.
DO YOU DO ANY LEG PAINT ABATEMENT BEFORE YOU DISPOSE OF ANYTHING FROM THAT BUILDING? ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.
THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE SOME, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, A VERY GOOD AMOUNT OF ASBESTOS.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY COULD WALK IN THE DOOR TOMORROW, APPLY FOR A DEMOLITION.
WE NOTHING STOPPING RIGHT FROM APPLYING AND
BUT IT'S NICE THAT THEY'RE LETTING US KNOW THAT IT'S, WELL AS PART OF THE, THE HAZARDOUS SEEKER.
THE BUILDING HAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SPECIMEN.
BASEMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S PARTIAL BASEMENTS.
THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED TO TRY TO USE IS IT LIKE A CORNERSTONE OR ANYTHING FROM THAT BUILDING? LIKE FROM WHEN IT WAS PUT IN OR SOME SORT OF LIKE THAT YOU COULD SAVE AND LIKE PUT WITH A PLACARD OR SOMEWHERE IN THE LOBBY OF THE NEW BUILDING OR? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, TAKE ANYTHING OUT OF THAT BUILDING THAT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE TO IT AND TRY TO RE REUSE THAT IN THE NEW SENIOR HOUSING FACILITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, STAIN WINDOWS OR WOODWORK OR DOOR JAMBS OR DOORS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT'S BEEN DEFACED, SOME OF IT'S BEEN DECAYING, BUT A LOT OF IT CAN BE REUSED.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO SORT OF MEMORIALIZE WHAT WAS THERE.
OF COURSE WE HAVE THE, UM, THE NUNS ARE LIVING ACROSS THE STREET.
SO, UM, IN FACT TODAY I JUST STARTED, UH, NOT PERSONALLY BUT
AND WE PLAN ON, UM, CLEANING THAT ALL UP.
AND THEN HILBERT IS GOING TO DO A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN TO RESTORE THE MASONRY AND THE WINDOWS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S STILL ON OUR PLAN THAT THAT WILL REMAIN.
SO YEAH, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS HISTORICAL,
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UH, ELEMENT AND YEAH, WE, WE'D LOOK AT ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHAPEL AREA.THERE'S SOME NICE, NICE ITEMS. ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL, WE WILL TABLE 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
UH, DID WE WANNA START THE COORDINATED REVIEW? WE CAN'T DO THAT YET.
REMEMBER THEY ALREADY AUTHORIZED, WE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THAT ONCE WE SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTATION.
THIS WAS AN ADDED STEP THAT WE REQUEST.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS STEVENS AND PIERCE REQUESTING A CHANGE IN USE OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 6 5 9 2 GOWANA STATE ROAD TO A BRIDAL SHOP.
SHE IS THE APPLICANT AND SHE'S BUYING THIS PROPERTY.
I'M GOING TO PUT A BRIDAL SHOP THERE.
AND THE ONLY CHANGE THAT SHE'S PROPOSING IS ADDING PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE A VARIANCE, WHICH SHE HAS APPLIED FOR ALREADY.
HOW MANY? SO SEVEN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA SEVEN ADDITIONAL, BUT 17, WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO HAVE 12 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT THE EXISTING PARKING IS ACTUALLY WITHIN 10 FEET OF STEPHEN ROAD.
WE CAN'T SEE IT ON THERE BECAUSE IT, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING, WE PROBABLY NEED AT MOST 12 PARKING SPOTS AND I THINK WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE OKAY WITH THAT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO HANDICAP PARKING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ACROSS THE FRONT WE'LL BE NOT.
SO ON THIS PLAN, THE EXISTING PARKING IS ALONG HERE.
IT ACTUALLY GOES SEE WHERE STEVENS ROAD IS HERE? YEP.
IT ACTUALLY GOES WITHIN 10 FEET OF STEVENS ROAD.
RIGHT TO THE EDGE OF THE, GOES FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING WITHIN 10 FEET OF STEVENS ROAD.
IT'S 10 POINT 10 FEET, FIVE INCHES TO STEVENS ROAD FROM THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
KAREN, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE, UH, BUSINESS THERE BEFORE? IT WAS SOUTH ALLEN.
IT WAS A DRAPERY COMPANY AND THEN SOUTH ALLEN.
AND THEN PREVIOUS TO THAT IT WAS A TWO ROOM SCHOOLHOUSE.
WHEN WAS THE BUILDING BUILT? IT WAS BUILT IN 1880.
AND WE'RE REALLY, UM, TRYING TO RESTORE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
SO THE AMAZING THING IS THEY BOARDED UP ALMOST 50% OF THE WINDOWS, BUT WHEN WE OPENED IT UP, EVERYTHING'S IN THERE.
SO WE'RE OPENING UP ALL THE WINDOWS, TAKING ALL THE BOARDING.
WE'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING, THE TWO ROOMS. 'CAUSE IT WAS A TWO ROOM SCHOOLHOUSE AND THEN DOWN THE MIDDLE WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THEY HAD A BATHROOM OFFICE, WHATEVER.
AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN THAT, BLOW THAT RIGHT OUT TOO.
SO, AND REALLY TRY TO RESTORE IT TO THE WAY IT WAS.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE OLDER STRUCTURES LIKE THIS TURNED IN THE BRIDAL SHOPS.
AND THEY'RE NOT A BIG GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC.
AND IT'S YOUR, YOUR APPOINTMENTS.
I HAVE BEEN THROUGH YOU RIGHT.
WE ONLY DO LIKE FOUR AT A TIME.
THE BUILDING IS INCREDIBLY SOLID AND ZONE C ONE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT ZONE PROPERLY.
SO THEY NEED A ZONING WAIVER FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE.
YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE DONE A SITE PLAN WAIVER IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY REC SITE PLAN APPROVAL BECAUSE OF, FOR A VARIANCE ON JULY 6TH.
SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS AND WE COULD APPROVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SITE PLAN WAIVER, BUT THE LAW SAYS IF YOU NEED A VARIANCE, YOU CAN'T DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BLISS BRIDAL FOR JULY 7TH.
IS THIS AFFILIATED WITH ONE OF THE OTHER, IS THERE ANOTHER, IS THIS AN EXISTING BRIDAL? IS THERE ALREADY A BUS BRIDAL? OKAY.
THIS IS, SO THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS, YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR I THINK FIVE, SIX YEARS.
SOMEONE ELSE? SET? HEY, SO WE'LL HAVE A, YOU WELL, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 7TH.
AND THEN IF, AND SEE YOU IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD ON JULY 6TH.
IF THEY GRANT THE VARIANCE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SEVENTH AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THEN.
UM, IF THEY DON'T GRANT THE VARIANCE ON THE SIXTH, THEN THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ON SEVENTH.
IS THERE ANY REASON THEY WOULDN'T GRANT THE VARIANCE? NOT ZONING BOARD.
QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD
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EVERYONE.SO, UH, IT IS AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO WELCOME TO THE JUNE 16TH, 2021 MEETING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
WE'LL
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER THAT INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
MARINE BUCKLEY REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 3 5 4 2 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
SO I'VE GOT THREE REVISED PLANS WITH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT SHOWN.
AND WE DON'T HAVE APPROVALS READY FOR THIS ONE ANYWAY, RIGHT? WELL WE DIDN'T NO, THEY DIDN'T THINK YOU NEEDED.
IF WANTED IMPROVEMENT TONIGHT, WE COULD HELP YOU WITH RESOLUTIONS YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE.
I THINK I, I'D WANT TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE AND HOW THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT'S GONNA BE MARKED.
PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BUY THE PROPERTY WOULD, WOULD DEFINITELY KNOW NO BUILDING PAST THIS POINT.
SO, SO WE'RE ONLY ADDING THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO LOT TWO.
SO BILL, BILL, YOU MEAN WHEN THE GRANDFATHER IS IN, IF SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS IT? WELL, YEAH, IT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN IF SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS IT TO BE ON THE DEED.
BUT THE, BUT SOMETIMES WE WILL HAVE LIKE, LIKE MARKERS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
'CAUSE IT'S BY 18 MILE CREEK, IT'S A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA THAT IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ACTUALLY MAYBE HAVE LITTLE PIECES OF STONE THAT MARK IT OFF AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT APPROPRIATELY.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS OF WHAT YOU COULD, THE BRUSH IS ABOUT FOUR FEET HIGH THERE.
SO I MEAN WE HAVE METAL STAKES IN THE GROUND WITH A LITTLE PLAQUE ON IT, BUT, BUT LIKE SURVEYOR, LIKE CIVIL SURVEYOR, IT IS JUST ALL NATURAL THING.
DID WE CONFIRM AS WELL THAT THIS LINE IS THIS, WHAT WAS THIS LINE? WAS THIS TOP OF BANK THAT'S TOP OF BANK? THANK YOU.
I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THE EASEMENT ON BOTH LOTS.
JUST NOT JUST THE NEW LOT DO IT ON THE EXISTING LOT.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE ON THE WHOLE STREET THAT HAS IT.
BUT IF THEY COME IN FOR SUBDIVISIONS IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL GET 'EM OTHER PLACE TO SUB BY THAT STREET.
WELL IF, IF THEY CAME IN FRONT OF US, WE WANT 'EM.
AND IT, IT'S LIKE THE SIDEWALK PROBLEM.
IF WE SAY WE WANT SIDEWALKS HERE AND SOMEBODY SAYS THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, WELL THEN THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN AND WE SAY WE WANT SIDEWALKS, WELL THE LAST PERSON DIDN'T HAVE TO DO 'EM.
SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT 'EM TO THEN NOBODY EVER DOES SIDEWALKS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE LIKE TO ASK FOR THESE THINGS AS THEY COME UP.
UM, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T THEN THEY'LL, NOBODY WILL HAVE 'EM ANYWHERE.
AND, AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS ASKED THIS.
'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE BUY LOTS IN THE FUTURE AND THEN THEY WANT TO PUT STRUCTURES AT THE BACK OF THE SITE OR PUT STRUCTURES UP AND THEN THE TOWN HAS TO GO OUT AND ASK THEM TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE WITH OR WITHOUT THE EASEMENT, THE WALL SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT ANY, ANYTHING WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OVER THAT SURVEY RIGHT THERE.
IF THEY GO TO A BILLING DEPARTMENT, THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A SHED OR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BUILD BACK THERE.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT PERMIT DONE, REQUIREMENT'S FAULT THEN IF THEY ISSUE A PERMIT.
BUT IT'S, THERE'S, SO THE EASEMENT'S ONLY ON ONE LOT.
WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE ON BOTH OF THEM.
SO NO, WHAT'S A RATIONALE FOR JUST ONE 30 YEARS FROM NOW IF LOT NUMBER ONE IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEY WANT TO PUT A SHED THERE, THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT'S NOT ON THERE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D ASKED TO HAVE ON THERE, IS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MADE, WASN'T CLEAR THAT YEAH, THEY ASKED FOR A 60 FOOT EASEMENT.
WE GAVE A HUNDRED FOOT ON THE LOT.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER LOT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGE.
NUMBER TWO, WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH, WE JUST WANT THE SAME THING ON LOT NUMBER ONE.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO REDO WHAT'S FILED AND THE COUNTY CLERKS FOR BOTH LOTS ONCE THEY'RE SEPARATED ANYWAY.
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COULD THAT BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? I WOULD TELL YOU SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, CAMMIE WON'T, WOULDN'T SIGN IT UNTIL WE GET A PLAN WITH IT ON FIRST.WE COULD DO A ADDITIONAL APPROVAL TONIGHT.
I THINK IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
JENNIFER WOULD JUST REVIEW THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESTRICTION.
DO WE NEED TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING PART? YES.
WE NEED TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE WE'RE SAYING WE WANT A A, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON BOTH LOTS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AS PART OF THE APPROVAL IF, IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE APPROVAL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, BUT I MEAN THAT'S CONDITION WE'RE WHATNOT.
AND I ALSO SUGGESTED THE TOWN HAS A UNKNOWN PROGRAM, BUT THEY ESTABLISHED IT YEARS AGO THAT IF PEOPLE PUT CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN GET A REDUCTION IN THEIR TAXES.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR THE TOWN.
HOW MUCH OF REDUCTION? WELL, IT'S THE VALUE OF YOUR LAND.
YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE VALUE OF YOUR, OF YOUR PROPERTY IS THE HOUSE AND THE LAND.
SO IF THE LAND IS VALUED AT $40,000 OR WHATEVER, YOU WOULD GET A REDUCTION OF THAT.
IT COULD BE THAT YOU GO DOWN $20,000.
I FORGET WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS.
IF IT'S NOT WORTH YOUR TIME THAT YOU'RE GIVEN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST TWO ACRES, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF A NINE ACRE LOT.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IF WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR BIGGER, WE JUST WANTED, IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU COULD DO IF YOU WANT THE TOWN ESTABLISHES PROGRAM, REMEMBER THEY APPLAUDED, THEY, DUKE SPITLER PUT IT TOGETHER INSTEAD OF PEOPLE GIVE EASEMENTS AND WHATEVER.
IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S NOT A FIXED STATEMENT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE PUT A HUNDRED FEET OF THE LAND, IT'S CONSERVATION AREA.
WHY CAN'T THAT PIECE OF LAND, THE CREEK BE ON THERE AND BECAUSE MY SEVEN ACRES, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHY CAN'T IT BE ON THERE? WHY, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE ON THERE? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
WOULD THAT, THAT SHOULD BE ON IT TOO.
BECAUSE MY SEVEN ACRES IS INCLUDING THE CREEK.
IT SHOULD BE, THEY WANT THE HIGH, THEY WANT THE THE HIGH EASEMENT FROM THE HIGH BANK.
THEY CAN'T BUILD THE CREEK, BUT PEOPLE TEND TO BUILD BETWEEN THE HIGH BANK AND WHATEVER.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE BUILD ILLEGALLY AND THEN THE TOWN HAS TO GO IN AND, AND THEY GO, WELL WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND THE TOWN HAS TO GO, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THAT STRUCTURE.
IT CAN'T BE THAT CLOSE AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA OWN THE LAND.
YOU'RE, I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, AND I, I DON'T WANNA BUILD ON THE LAND, BUT IF THAT'S LABELED A CONSERVATION AREA, WHY ISN'T THE CREEK LABELED A CONSERVATION AREA? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THE AREA BECAUSE I CAN'T BUILD.
I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE RIGHT.
WHY WHY WAS IT YEAH, I I, YOU KNOW, I OWN THAT.
THAT'S CRAZY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WOULD OWN THE CREEK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, I CAN GO AND PICK SOME ROCKS UP AND TAKE THEM BACK TO THE HOUSE.
IT'S ABOUT, WELL THAT AREA OF THE CREEK IS LABELED SOMETHING DIFFERENT TOO THOUGH.
SO IT ALREADY HAS A LABEL THAT PROTECTS IT.
IT'S JUST NOT CALLED THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
TYPICAL THEY KNOW BUILDS A SHED IN THE CREEK.
HOPEFULLY NOT LIKE A LITTLE RAFT HOLDER OR SOMETHING.
BUT, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I SAID IT'S A, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE USE IT AS A MARKETING EMPLOYEE WHEN THEY GO TO SELL A LOT, THEY LOOK, IT'S FOREVER WILD, IT'S GREEN AND WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THE TOWN TRYING TO ESTABLISH IT SO THAT THEY PROTECT PEOPLE FROM HAVING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAVE TO GO OUT AND TELL 'EM THEY CAN.
SO IT'S ALL THE DEED PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THEY BUY THE PROPERTY.
NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING IN, IN THAT AREA.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER BLESSING OF LIVING ALONG 18 MILES PERIOD.
MATTER OF FACT, THE TOWN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS GOING TO MAKE 18 MILE CREEK PART OF THE INLAND WATERWAY SYSTEM OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK UNDER THE LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM.
SO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT WHEN THAT COMES ALONG.
UH, THE, THE STATE HAS DECLARED THAT INLAND WATERWAYS, SO NOT ANY RESTRICTIONS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH 18 MILE CREEK.
IT'S NOW GONNA BE PART OF THE TOWNS, NOT ONLY THE LAKEFRONT, BUT 18 MILE CREEK WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE ROLL FOR WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION AREA NOTICES.
HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE CHINA HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY MAUREEN BUCKLEY TO BE LOCATED AT 3 5 2 4 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 16TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG
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TOWN HALL.ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UH, 3 5 4 2 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
IS ANYONE HERE? UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE FACEBOOK UP? I HAVE IT UP.
UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY FOR OR AGAINST THIS? THE 3 5 4 2 SOUTH CREEK BOULEVARD? ANY COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK? NO.
UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON 3 5 4 2 SOUTH CREEK BOULEVARD? OKAY.
BEING THAT THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOR YOU TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO SECRET.
ALL SUBDIVISIONS REQUIRE SECRET.
THERE'S NO THRESHOLD, ALL SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THEY'VE SUBMITTED A SHORT FORM A F IT IS IN A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA.
I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECK IS THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING THE CEA BY REQUIRING THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
THERE'S NO IMPACT TO WETLANDS, THERE'S NO IMPACT TO OTHER RESOURCES.
SO YOU COULD ISSUE, I WOULD RECOMMEND BASED UPON THAT EAF AND THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, YOU COULD ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST MOTION TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND AUTHORIZE BILL TO SIGN THE SHORT FORM.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE FORM, YOU CAN CAN GO THROUGH THAT, BUT WE ARE PROTECTED.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE PROTECTION OF THE CREEK UNDER THE CEA.
AND WE, WE MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE SITE PLAN, NOT THE SEEKER.
YOU CAN'T MAKE CONDITION, BUT THIS ONLY MEANS THE SHORT FORM.
THERE USED TO BE A MISNOMER THAT ALL PROJECTS IN THE CE I'M JUST UP, WE CAN JUST RUN THROUGH IT REAL QUICK SINCE IT'S, YOU CAN RUN THROUGH.
OH, THE, YOU WERE GONNA PULL UP THE, I'M JUST GONNA, THE SHORT FORM? YEAH, THE SHORT FORM.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE, THE, UM, CONSERVATION BOARD.
IT'S UH, IT'S LITERALLY 10, 10 QUESTIONS.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A MATERIAL CONFLICT WITH AN ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN OR ZONING REGULATIONS? NO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN A CHANGE IN THE USE OR INTENSITY OF USE OF LAND? AN EXTRA HOUSE, BUT SMALL, NO.
OR SMALL IMPACT? MODERATE TO LARGE? I'D SAY IT'S SMALL.
BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES REAL NAME? I WOULD SAY SMALL.
WOULD SMALL WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OR QUALITY OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY? I WOULD SAY NO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT CAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA? NO.
NO, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND WE'RE PUTTING THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PROTECT THE CREEK FROM UNWANTED BUILDING, UH, DRAINAGE AND OTHER THINGS GOING INTO THE CREEK.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN AN ADVERSE CHANGE IN THE EXISTING LEVEL OF TRAFFIC OR AFFECT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MASS TRANSIT, BIKING OR WALKWAY? NO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CAUSE AN INCREASE IN THE USE OF ENERGY AND IT FAILS TO INCORPORATE REASONABLY AVAILABLE ENERGY CONSERVATION OR RENEWABLE ENERGY OPPORTUNITIES? LET'S SAY? WELL MUST BE BUILDING THE ENERGY CODE.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPACT ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE WATER SUPPLIES? PUBLIC OR PRIVATE WASTEWATER TREATMENT? UTILITIES.
THAT'S SEWER CONNECTED OVER THERE, ISN'T IT? SEPTIC.
SO SMALL IMPACT WOULD BE ONE NEW, ONE NEW.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION IMPAIR THE CHARACTER QUALITY OF IMPORTANT HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC RESOURCES? NO.
YOU HAVE THE CONSERVATION UNIT.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN AN ADVERSE CHANGE TO NATURAL RESOURCES? NO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN POTENTIAL FOR EROSION, FLOODING, OR DRAINAGE? NO.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION CREATE A HAZARD TO ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES OR HUMAN HEALTH? NO.
AND THEN UNDER THE PART THREE FOR SIGNIFICANCE, I'M GONNA NOTE THAT THE CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES ARE IN EROSION OR PROTECTED BY THE USE OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON LOTS ONE AND TWO.
AND THAT'S ALSO GONNA HELP MAINTAIN THE EXISTING, UH, AESTHETIC CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND THAT THE SEPTIC IMPACT WILL BE SMALL.
IT'S JUST ONE ADDITIONAL SEPTIC FOR ONE NEW HOUSE.
ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO NOTE? PART THREE? NO, I IT'S ON CAITLIN.
UH, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS PROJECT? WHAT WE'RE USING AS THE NAME, NAME? SOUTH CREEK TWO
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LOT SUBDIVISION.I'M GOING TO EMAIL THIS THEN TO YOU, SARAH, FOR BEGINNING.
DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD, GO WITH THE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL? WE'D HAVE TO DO A MOTION FOR SEEKER FIRST.
IF YOU, SO WE DO A NEGATIVE DECK FOR SEEKER.
SOME LIKE ONE THAT WE DID FOR BOBCAT.
I THAT ONE THROUGH MY EMAIL AS A EC EXAMPLE.
I THINK YOU COULD DO A SIMILAR NOTE.
YOU GUYS WITH MASKS ON, YOU GOTTA, IF YOU COULD TALK UP A LITTLE BIT, IT'S REAL HARD TO HEAR.
WELL I WAS THINKING YOU COULD DO THAT WHILE I TYPE REFRACTORY.
GOTTA DO THE SITE PLAN TOO, SO I GOTTA PULL THAT UP.
I MEAN, I WOULD JUST PICK ONE AFTER THE FIRST ONE I HAD THAT WAS A
UM, I HAVE BOBCAT'S SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
YOU WANT THE NEGATIVE DECK? IT WAS ON THE SAME EMAIL, I THINK.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ON THE SAME.
YOU WANNA DO IT OR I WOULD JUST, YEAH.
UM, NIGHT OF DECLARATION FOR MAUREEN BUCKLEY, TWO LOT SUBDIVISION ON 35 42 SOUTH CREEK.
UH, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A PSYCH PLAN APPLICATION FROM MAUREEN BUCKLEY REQUESTING A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT AT 35 42 SOUTH CREEK.
AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD HAS HELD A PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S ADVISORY BOARDS, AND THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD INPUT.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART SIX 117 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED, UH, PART ONE OF THE EAF AND COMPLETED PART TWO AND THREE OF THE EAF AND REVIEW THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG TOWN PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES, THE STATE OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS AND THEREFORE ISSUES A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER REGULATIONS AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
OKAY, SO MOTION BY MRS. ERFORD.
SARAH, DO YOU WANT ME TO SEND YOU A COPY OF THAT? I CAN JUST MAKE THE CHANGES REAL QUICK FOR YOU.
THE SITE PLAN, UM, PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE ISSUANCE OF A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODES.
JUST CHANGE THAT TO OUR BUILDER.
CHANGE THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
IT'S NOT SITE, OH, JUST SAY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANT AMEND THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL SUBDIVISION CONDITIONAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, UH, OF THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 3 5 4 2 SOUTH CREEK ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONTI CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER, RIGHT? NOT FOR THIS ONE.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
SO APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON A HUNDRED FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO BE LOCATED AND RECORDED ON THE DEEDS OF BOTH LOTS, ONE AND TWO, EXTENDING FROM THE TOP OF BANK, A HUNDRED FEET, EXTENDING A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE TOP OF THE BANK AND THE, YOU CAN WAVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? UH, SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE A PERMANENT MARKERS WOULD
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BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY TO IDENTIFY THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED.
ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? AND WE USUALLY, FOR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, WAIVE THE FILING OF THE MAP COVER, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILE THIS IF IN THE CONSERVATION.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIVE THAT.
ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS RELATED TO ADDITION OF A NEW SEPTIC THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? NO, THAT'S APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVALS IN IT.
OKAY, SO YOU, YOU ARE ALL SET.
UM, THE SITE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED WHEN THOSE OTHER CON WHEN THE CONDITIONS SUBDIVISION PLATFORM SUBDIVISION.
I HAVE TO JUST CROSS THIS AWAY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT MINUTE.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL CAMMY SIGNS THE PLAN AND SHE'LL SIGN THE PLAN WHEN YOU GIVE US THIS, UM, THE SURVEY OR THE MAP SHOWING EASEMENT ON BOTH CALLS.
SO IF YOU CAN GET JEFF TO DO THAT QUICKLY THEN WITHOUT YELLING AT, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO ISSUE THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
JENNIFER, I JUST SENT YOU THAT PART TWO AND THREE E AFTER.
YOU CAN JUST DO A QUICK REVIEW.
UM, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY ON HEALTH.
I SENT YOU, I SENT YOU THE EMAIL TOO, BUT DREW, THERE'S A WORD FOR THAT.
WHEN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS HAVE THE ENTRANCES ON THE SIDE STREET, RIGHT? IS THAT OR AM I WRONG? WELL, IT'S A NEW POLICY BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THE STATE OF NEW YORK USED TO HAVE THE GRANT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DOT RIGHT? I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL.
UM, I DON'T, THE VILLAGE DID IT WHERE THEY WERE HAVING, IT'S, IT'S ENTRANCES ON THE SIDE.
WELL, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF, THE WORD I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
BUT ACCESS MANAGEMENT WOULD SAY, I WANT TO THINK WRAP AROUND ZONING.
IS THAT A THING OR IS THAT NOT RIGHT ABOUT THAT? IT'S THE VILLAGE VILLAGES AND CITIES HAVE TO, BUT THE TOWN DOES.
BUT LIKE THE CONCEPT WOULD BE THE SAME OR SIMILAR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU HIDE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE ROUTES.
NO, IT WAS, THEY, THEY HAD THE FRONT ON THE SIDE STREETS AND THEY, THEY LET SOME PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT THEN THEY DECIDED THEY DID NOT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT KIND OF IMPACTED THE CHARACTER OF THE SIDE STREET MORE THAN THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING OF WHEN YOU SENT THAT.
OH, IT'S THE CONCEPT, YOU, YOU THAT, THAT THE BUILDING AND VILLAGE SAID THAT, THAT, THAT THE BUILDING MUST FACE THE MAIN HIGHWAY AND NOT THE SIDE STREET.
THAT'S ONE THING WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOLLAR GENERAL IS THAT IT WOULD FACE, QUOTE UNQUOTE FACE SOUTHWEST.
BUT WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THE ACCESS TO BEING ON SOUTHWESTERN.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
WE'RE STILL ASKING TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
UM, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY THESE, THE DRIVEWAY BEING ON, ON HEALTH.
AND, AND WE PUT THAT IN OUR, IN IN THIS PROPOSED SCOPING DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.
I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A, LIKE A TERM OF ART THAT, THAT DON'T, THAT INCORPORATES THE CONCEPT.
WELL IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, THAT PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY DOESN'T EXIST THOUGH.
UM, SO THE PLANNING BOARDS HAD THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT.
DID WE ADDRESS ALL THE THINGS, THE BIG SECTION WE HAD AT THE END? AND THE PUBLIC IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT IS THE PROMINENT ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED DURING SCOPING THAT WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED.
WE ADDED THREE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY, BY THE PUBLIC THAT WON'T BE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
WE CAN'T MAKE THEM LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE SITES THAT THEY DON'T OWN OR WHEN WE CAME AND SAID A SITE TO OFFER, BUT THEY DON'T OWN IT.
THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE NEED OF THE PROJECT, WHETHER THE PROJECT IS NEEDED OR NOT, NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE IMPACT OF PROPERTY VALUES OR ABILITY TO SELL PROPERTY IS NOT AN
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ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.AND THE REASON THOSE ARE ON THERE ISN'T BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, NOT THAT WE DON'T AGREE WITH 'EM.
WE LEGALLY CAN'T CONSIDER IT'S THE LAW.
AND AGAIN, I CAN'T, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THOSE THINGS ARE STANDARD THINGS THAT CAN'T BE IN AN IMPACT STATEMENT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF THE, AND IF WE WERE TO PROPERTY, THE ABILITY TO SELL PROPERTY IS RELATED TO A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY IMPACT ON COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WOULD SAY TO SOMEONE, YOU'RE REDUCING A PROPERTY VALUE.
WE WOULD, IF YOU WERE DOING THAT, YOU WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED AND SAY, HEY, HOW IS THAT IMPACTING THE ADJOINING PROPERTY VALUE? IT'S NOT A ZONING ISSUE PER SE.
AND, AND IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THINGS THAT LEGALLY WE CAN'T CONSIDER ANY DECISION WE MAKE COULD THEN BE OVERTURNED BECAUSE WE, WE, WE WANTED, WE DIDN'T USE THE RIGHT CRITERIA.
MOSTLY EVERYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT UP AND YOU BROUGHT UP ARE IN THIS DOCUMENT WORD A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I DO HAVE TO SAY, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO A WHOLE NEW TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN ROAD CONDITIONS.
HOW THAT'S BEEN HANDLED ALL THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE AND WHENEVER IS THAT WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO UPDATE THAT.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE THAT ALREADY.
BUT UPDATE THE TIS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT TRAFFIC IS DOWN.
TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ARE TELLING ME THEY DON'T KNOW WHENEVER TRAFFIC WILL RETURN TO NORMAL LEVELS OR WILL THEY RETURN TO NORMAL LEVELS.
YOU KNOW, IF 30% OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK FROM HOME.
SO THERE IS, THEY CAN USE SOME FACTORS IN THERE AND THEY MAY HAVE DONE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY TO SAY, HEY, WE KNEW THAT WE DID THIS TRAFFIC COUNT AT TIMES WHEN TRAFFIC WAS DOWN AND YOU ADD A VALUE TO IT.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO REDO TRAFFIC COUNTS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE GONNA BE WHAT THEY DO.
USE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
IT MAYBE ADD A FACTOR TO THAT TO UNDERSTAND THAT TRAFFIC LEVELS ARE DOWN DURING, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
WE REALLY DON'T, I ASKED TODAY, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHEN TRAFFIC LEVELS WILL RETURN TO QUOTE UNQUOTE.
HAVE YOU GUYS, DID THEY REVISE ANYTHING WHILE I WAS OUT THERE WITH
AND I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, WE GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS ASKED TO DO AND WE WORDED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
HAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAD A CHANCE, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS TONIGHT.
UM, HAS THE PLANNING BOARD, WE CAN ALWAYS ADOPT IT WITH IF THERE'S A MAJORITY, YOU WANT TO MAKE REVISIONS TO THIS, WE'LL MAKE REVISIONS TO IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO IT OR DETRACT FROM IT OR CHANGE HEALTH AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS, SORRY, ON SECTION 1.4 WE'RE MISSING THE H ON THE END OF HEALTH AT DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
THIS ONE'S EVEN MORE CHALLENGING AFTER 3.1 0.1 SETTING.
THERE'S A SEMICOLON THAT SHOULD BE A COLON AFTER SETTING.
I WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO FIND ALL OF HIS SEMICOLONS AND CHANGED THEM AND I PROBABLY MISSED SOME.
THE REST OF ARE COLONS NOTED
I I THINK OTHER THAN THAT THERE MAY BE A COUPLE.
3.11, 3.110 AND WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE? IT WAS THE WORD HEALTH 1.41.
AND THIS THE PAGE AT THE END YOU MIGHT WANT AFTER 5.2.
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS, BUT AFTER 5.2, 5.2 AFTER PROPOSED ACTION, ALTERNATIVE IS ONE, ONE PHONES.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE SPACING UNDER EIGHT IS FUNNY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN, I COULDN'T FIX THAT.
I, IT CAME AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
I I, BECAUSE THAT PART CAME FROM THIS COMPUTER, I COULDN'T CHANGE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE, UH, NO OUTPUT.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS WE TOOK THE WORD DOCUMENT PROVIDED IN THE DRAFT SCOPE AND TRIED TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT.
SO YOU COULD SEE, REMEMBER THE FIRST ONE FROM MARK, SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHAT CHANGES HERE.
I HAD ADDED, AFTER FRIDAY, I HAD SENT SOME COMMENTS BACK ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION AND ANGLES AND ANALYZING THOSE THAT WAS ADDED ONTO THE APPENDS.
AND I HAD HAD JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT LIGHTING FROM VEHICLES EXITING THE NEW, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
SO I SAW THAT THOSE WERE IN THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THIS IN THE PRIVATE DESCRIPTION WHERE IT ASKED FOR THE PROJECT'S PURPOSE, NEED AND BENEFITS.
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HOW COME IT'S NOT SOME, WHAT THE DETRIMENTS ARE.WELL THAT'S THE SECTION OF THE, OF THE EIS THAT ASKED FOR WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT THESE ARE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. SO WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THAT IT'S ONLY, BUT THIS, THAT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT IS THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DESCRIBE WHAT THE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT ARE.
HOW DID WE, WE DIDN'T READ THE SCOPING DOCUMENT BEFORE WE ADOPTED IT.
LAST TIME WE HAD ONE OF THESE, RIGHT? IS THIS POST NO WEBSITE? WE HAD, WE HAD WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT? FOR THIS PROJECT? NO, FOR THE LAST PROJECT THAT WENT, THAT WE HAD, UH, A SCOPING ON THE LAST PROJECT WE HAD A SCOPING ON WAS WE DON'T WANNA, IT'S BEEN WE DIDN'T READ THE ENTIRE THING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BASICALLY SAY THIS ONE, GIMME A DATE WITH THE REVISIONS PROPOSED AND THIS WILL BECOME THE FINAL DOCUMENT.
AND I'LL PUT IT, WE'LL PUT, UH, SARAH WILL PUT A DATE ON IT AS AS ITS NICE DATE.
RIGHT? I MEAN I THINK AND THEN SHE'LL POST IT IN THE MV SEND IT TO THE APPLICANT AND I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES AND ASSUMING THERE'S ENOUGH VOTES, IF THIS WAS, I THINK WE CAN APPROVE IT.
EVEN GIVEN THE GRAMMATICAL ERRORS, WE CAN FIX THEM.
I DON'T, UNTIL WE LET SARAH CHECK SEMI CODE THE CODES.
I THINK, I MEAN IT'S NOT EVEN A CONDITIONAL, JUST IT'S JUST GRAMMATICAL ERROR.
WE DID IT THE LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A FINAL EDITORIAL GRAMMATICAL.
BUT BUT THE, THE SCOPE WAS AS OF THE DATE, YES, WE DID IT.
'CAUSE WITH SEEKER THERE'S TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER THINGS WE'RE USED TO.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE UH, GO ANY FURTHER? I'M JUST ONLY CURIOUS, SARAH, THE REVISIONS YOU SENT TO TARA, ARE THOSE, HAVE THERE BEEN SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES SINCE THEN? NOT SUBSTANTIVE.
UM, I SENT YOU SENT THEM ON LEAVE ON FRIDAY.
THE ONLY THING WE MIGHT HAVE ADDED WAS THE VERY LAST SECTION ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T ADDRESS.
AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT MY NOTES AND WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THAT, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS NOT AT THE SCOPE OF MEETING, BUT THE NOTES I HAD FROM THE MEETING INDICATED THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO JUST THE GENERAL ZONING, WHICH IS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE AND TIME TO TIME AGAIN ON THIS PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE PART OF THE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE SECTION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TO BE REVIEWED AS THE ACTUAL JUST GENERAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP IN THE SCOPE MEETING.
IT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP IN THE SCOPE MEETING.
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE THEY QUESTIONED THE ZONING THAT WAS NOT A, YOU DON'T REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING.
BUT THAT IS, YOU DO HAVE TO DESCRIBE THE EXISTING ZONING AS MA AS PART OF THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTION AREA UNDER SECTION TWO ONE.
BUT HE WAS SAYING THE ISSUE, BUT THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
IT IS MORE OR LESS THE ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PROPERLY ZONED FOR THE PROPOSED USE.
SO THE, SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE DO WE PUT UNDER THAT SECTION, UH, THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING I GUESS FOR THAT? OR MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
WELL FIRST OF ALL, DO WE WANT TO AMEND IT TO INCLUDE THAT? NO, NO.
IT WASN'T BROUGHT, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT.
DISCUSS THE RESIDENT OF RESEARCH IS CORRECT.
YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK 40, 50 YEARS AND NOT FINE.
BUT IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE MAPS THAT IT'S BEEN, AND IT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE WHEN THE TOWN ADOPTED THE GIS MAP, THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN, THAT'S THE OFFICIAL ZONING OF THE TOWN THAT OCCURRED 15 YEARS AGO.
THAT BECAME THE OFFICIAL ZONING OF THE TOWN USED TO BE, THEY USED TO KEEP THE ZONING MAP IN THE YELLOW BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND IT WAS A HAND DRAWN MAP AND PEOPLE WOULD MARK IT UP AND THAT WAS THE HISTORICAL RECORD BEFORE THEY HAD GIS AND AND CAD BASED MAPS.
I WANNA GO BACK, I GUESS ONCE THIS IS, ONCE WE FINALIZE THE SCOPE DOCUMENT, CAN WE MAKE THIS AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE? YES.
EVERYTHING NOW THAT'S HAS TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
SO IT'LL SET UP A SPOT FOR EVERYTHING CONCERNING THIS PROJECT.
AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE REMAIN ON THE SITE UNTIL WHEN AND IF, IF THE PROJECT WAS EVER BUILT AND ONE YEAR AFTER THE PROJECT WAS BUILT, I THINK WE SAID THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT IF INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN GO
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THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD AND REQUEST REZONING OF THEIR OWN PARCELS.THAT'S NOT THE P BOARD, THAT'S THE TOWN BOARD.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE YES, THEY CAN PETITION THE TOWN BOARD AT ANY POINT, UH, TO REZONE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, AS WE SAID, I'LL DO MY, MY PUSH.
THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING DONE.
WE'LL BE HAVING ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING PROBABLY IN JULY.
PLEASE COME TO THOSE MEETINGS IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ZONING IN THE TOWN.
SO, SO THEY START WITH THE TOWN BOARD, THEN THE TOWN BOARD GENERALLY WILL SEND A REZONING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS THEIR ULTIMATE DECISION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES YOU SEE REZONINGS IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE DON'T START THEM.
SORRY TO KEEP GOING ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A PETITION IF YOU OWN PROPERTY, THERE'S A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PETITION.
THEN THERE'S PETITIONS PUT TOGETHER BY RESIDENTS WHO SAY THAT DON'T OWN A PROPERTY, SAY THIS AREA OF THE TOWN HAS BEEN ZONED.
THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN YOU PETITIONING A TOWN FOR A PROPERTY YOU OWN AND SAYING, I WANT MY PROPERTY.
THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD ONE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK IN SOMETIMES THOUGH.
WHAT'S THAT SAID? THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD ONE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT.
SOMETIMES THOUGH, THERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS GONNA BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE ZONING MAP.
THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP IS ONLINE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE OF WHAT THEIR PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY ARE SURPRISED WHEN THEY FIND OUT WHAT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED.
I THINK THERE'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
SO LET'S, UH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL RETAILER.
I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHEN WE TO COMMENT ON ONE MORE TIME MR. I TOLD AT THE LAST MEETING.
NO, THAT'S ON THE, THERE WILL BE MORE COMMENTS.
SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE SECRET PROCESS.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
SO NOW, SO, SO THE SCOPE IS THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE LOOK AT GOING FORWARD.
SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE, THIS THAT WE, WE WE DRAFTED IS GOING TO BE THE THINGS WE LOOK AT GOING FORWARD IN THIS PROJECT.
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS US SAYING WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AND NOT THE OTHER ONES.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY IN SOME WAYS TIED TO A FORMALITY.
'CAUSE AS WE WERE DESCRIBING, THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO LOOK AT RIGHT.
ARE THINGS THAT LEGALLY WE CAN'T LOOK AT.
ANYWAY, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THOSE.
SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WE'VE TAKEN OUT.
BUT I WAS ALLEGEDLY, IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AGAIN, NOT TONIGHT, NOT ON BEING FORMALIZED THIS TONIGHT.
I CAN'T COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU'RE GONNA, SO THIS DOCUMENT IS GONNA BE USED FOR THEM, THE APPLICANT TO PREPARE A DIRECT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND THEN, THEN THERE WILL BE A COMMENT OPPORTUNITY ON THE DIRECT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
I THINK WHAT HE'S THERE A DISCREPANCY IN THE TRACK STUDY FOR WHAT I'M READING.
THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NEW ONE DONE.
MR. RILEY SAID THAT UPDATED TRACK FRANK THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT AND THEN COMMENT ON THIS DOCUMENT ON WHAT WAS IN IT THAT, I DUNNO, BELIEVE ME, TRAFFIC TRAFFIC HAS CHANGED RIGHT.
SO 3.6 0.2 POTENTIAL IMPACTS BASED ON AN UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
DESCRIBE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE NEW TRIPS AND PASS BY TRIPS GENERATED BY THE PROPOSED ACTION ONTO THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK DURING THE MORNING AND EVENING PEAK HOURS.
SO, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY, NOT A BRAND NEW ONE.
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT'S THERE? WHAT'S CONSIDERED PEAK HOURS? THERE'S GOTTA BE A STANDARD FOR IT, RIGHT? WELL IT'S MORNING ANYTHING TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE PHI STATE OF NEW YORK AND, AND BASICALLY THE PEAK HOUR IS DEPENDING UPON THE ROADWAY AND THEY LOOK AT PEAK HOUR FOR WHAT THEY'RE GENERATING.
EACH BUSINESS HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PEAK HOUR AND IT'S IN A MANUAL.
THEY TELL YOU WHAT THE PEAK HOURS, IT ISN'T JUST PEAK BUT MA'S, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT ALL DAY LONG HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE GOING DOWN? IT MATCHES JUST PEAK HOURS.
RIGHT? CARS, CARS DRIVE ON ALL DAY LONG.
DIFFERENT THAN A PEAK TRAFFIC CON ROUTE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR DOLLAR GENERAL RETAIL STORE AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
JUST FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, THE AND FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, THE NEXT STEP IS THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT A DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT.
YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT AND STAFF WILL REVIEW THAT DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT AGAINST THE SCOPING DOCUMENT TO DETERMINE IF IT'S
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COMPLETE.IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S COMPLETE, YOU REJECT IT.
IT GOES BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
ONCE YOU DETERMINE IT'S COMPLETE, THEN IT'LL BE SENT TO ALL THE AGENCIES AND WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON.
SO YOUR FIRST DECISION IS USING THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND I THEN DETERMINE 'EM IN THE FORMS. DID THEY DO EVERYTHING YOU ASK THEM TO DO? THAT'S NOT WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NOT.
I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE NOT WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE DECISION YET.
THAT'LL TAKE PLACE AT THE NEXT STEP.
IT'S DID THEY DO WHAT YOU ASKED THEM TO DO? WHO SECOND THAT? SORRY CHAPMAN.
SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS WE'LL WAIT FOR THEM TO SUBMIT, SORRY, FOR POINT WAIT FOR THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THEN WE'LL REVIEW IT FOR COMPLETION.
AND THERE ARE NO PROCEDURAL TIMELINES FILED.
YOU CAN SUBMIT A DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT AT ANY TIME AND THEN WE HAVE SOME REGULATORY TIMEFRAMES TO REVIEW, ET CETERA.
MOST SECRET TIMEFRAMES ARE DIRECTORY AND NOT MANDATORY.
BUT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE GENERAL GUIDANCE THAT'S IN THE LAW.
YOU DON'T TAKE TWO YEARS TO REVIEW SOMETHING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TIME PERIOD THAT YOU WANT TO ADHERE TO DEPENDING UPON THE COMPLEXITY OF
WELL, WHEN THEY RESPOND, WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME.
ON WHEN WE HAVE TO DO OUR, SO, SO ON OUR END WE HAVE TIMEFRAMES AND IF WE DON'T MEET THOSE TIMEFRAMES, THEN WE LOSE OUR CHANCE DIRECTOR.
EITHER NOT MANDATORY, DEPENDING.
IF I THINK ABOUT IT, IF SOMEONE DOES A DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT ON A HUGE PROJECT AND YOU GET VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF STUFF, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN A SMALLER IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO THE SECRET LAW GIVES YOU A MATTER OF FACT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE AMENDED THE SECRET LAW IS THAT IT GIVES YOU DIRECTION ON, THERE'S ONLY A ONE OR TWO, I FORGET WHICH TWO THEY ARE, THAT ARE MANDATORY.
ONE MENTOR ONE IS IF WE DON'T STOP THIS TONIGHT OR THE NEXT MEETING AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES THAT'S, THAT STOPS US FROM DRAGGING THINGS OUT.
BUT THERE ARE, THE REST OF 'EM ARE DIRECTORY OF NATURE.
YOU HAVE TO DO GENERAL TIMEFRAMES.
I MEAN THAT'S NOT, IF THE LAW SAYS 60 DAYS TO REVIEW IT, WE TAKE 65, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IF WE TAKE SIX YEARS, IT'S A PROBLEM.
I THANK THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR LISTENING TO US INCORPORATING WHAT I FEEL IS A VERY THOROUGH, UH, SPOKEN DOCUMENT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MIKE SCHULTZ REQUESTING PLANNING FOR A RE-REVIEW OF A TOWING AND RECOVERY IMPOUND AREA AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WE'VE GOT THE UPDATES ON THAT, RIGHT? WHAT DID WE, WE JUST WANTED THE PARKING LOT PAVED, RIGHT? WHAT ELSE DID WE WANT? LIGHTING PLANS.
LIGHTING LANDSCAPE AND NO, NOT THE PARKING LOT PAGE.
YOU COULD STILL USE THE GRAB ONES ON FENCE.
YEAH, IT'S, REMEMBER IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING DEPARTMENT JUST WANTED MORE DETAIL RIGHT ON THE DRAWING.
'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY APPROVED.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TAMMY HAD A ASKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA BE SURFACE.
IT WAS GONNA BE GRAVEL OR, SO I THINK CAMMY WAS ONLY CONCERNED WITH HIM SHOWING THAT THE, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY OR HE WILL NOT DRAIN ON.
BASICALLY YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE GRADING WASN'T GONNA GO INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
WHICH IT, IT, YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE IT.
IT ALL DRAINS THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AND GOES, THERE'S DRAINAGE THERE THAT GOES OFF THE ROAD.
SO IS THERE ANY PROPOSED LIGHTING? YES, IT'S ON THERE.
CAN YOU POINT IT OUT FOR ME? THANK YOU.
AND THERE'S ALSO, IS THAT IN WE JUST A STANDARD? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S SOLID SHEET METAL.
UM, ONE, THE FIRST ONE GO DOWN 20.
IS IT SOLID SHEET METAL? WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WERE PUT IN AS A CONDITION THAT THEY A TYPICAL OR, OR SMITH.
INITIALLY IT WAS IN THE, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE REWROTE CHAIN DEFENSE, BUT IT'S DEEP FOOT, HIGH.
SO WE NEED TO, SO WE CONDITION THAT THIS WOULD BE AMENDED FROM CHAIN LENGTH TO THE ATED SCALE, THE
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TYPICAL DETAIL.HERE'S THE LANDSCAPING THAT THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING.
SO THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE EXISTING, THESE ARE WE PUT IN, THESE ARE PUT IN THAT ARE NOT THE ADDITIONAL MAPLES OR WE THE HERE YEP.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, YES.
SO NOW CAMMY UH, WANTED AN ADDITIONAL GRAVEL IN THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? NO, SHE SAID THE ADDITIONAL GRAVEL WAS PUT IN THE BEDS WITH START AND ALL THIS THAT PUT GRAVEL IN THE DRIVEWAY.
EXISTING GRAVE NEEDS, IT TENDS TO ADD GRAVEL TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION SHE HAD ALREADY.
SO THE DRIVER WILL NEED TO MAINTAIN POSITIVE GRADES CURRENTLY SLOWING AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY AND THE UPGRADED DRIVEWAY WILL MAINTAIN THESE GRADES.
I'M NOT CHANGING THE GRADE AT ALL.
THIS IS THE EXISTING GRADE RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE LOWEST POINT.
THIS IS 28 INCHES ABOVE THE GRADE 16.
SO THIS IS DRAIN, IT ALL DRAINS THIS WAY.
IT ACTUALLY ALL GOES CEILING GOES UP THE ROAD AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT GRAVEL HERE IN THE INSIDE PART.
YEAH, MAYBE THE GOLF COURSE IT WILL BE GONE.
THERE'S ALREADY DRAINAGE IN THERE.
THERE'S ALREADY SOME GRAVEL IN THERE.
IT'S JUST GONNA I'M GONNA NO, JUST, UM, TWO THREES AND FOUR ROUNDS THINGS BILL.
ALSO, UM, I ASKED CAMMY TO CALL MIKE ABOUT THE GRADING AND SHE SAID THAT SHE TALKED TO MIKE AND SHE DOES, SHE'S NOT REQUIRING YOUR GRADING PLAN.
AND WHAT HE'S SHOWING YOU THERE WITH THE NUMBERS IS ALL THAT SHE HAS.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT.
YEAH, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE PLAN FOR THE NUMBERS HERE? THESE ARE JUST READINGS THAT WERE TAKEN SHOWING THE, THAT ALL THAT'S ALL CAN YES.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S, DOES SHE NEED THEM NOTARIZED OR, AND FOR AN ENGINEER TO THE READING, I, BECAUSE SHE SAID YOU DIDN'T NEED 'EM.
SHE SAID JUST TAKE AND SHOW ME WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE AND LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE IT IS DISH.
AND THESE ARE PLANT LIGHTING FIXTURES.
SHIELD THE TOP DID THE SAME THING THEY PUT UP, PUT UP IN THE NEW STARBUCKS.
DIGGING, LIGHTING, STORM WATER FLOW.
ARE THERE OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROGER? WE ARE STICK WELL ROGER ALSO AND FE WE, WE WE DIDN'T REALLY NEED THAT WE FENCING IN THE BACK, RIGHT? IS THERE? UNFORTUNATELY HE WROTE HIS CHAIN LAKE.
MY INITIAL PLAN SHOWED HIM SOLID AND WHEN HE REWROTE 'EM I DON'T, I JUST SAW THAT.
WHEN I WALKED AT THAT DAY TALKING FENCING WORK.
AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING ALSO I CAN, WHEN YOU SAID THE FENCING, I'M LOOKING OVER HERE.
NO, IT WON'T BE CHAIN LIKE SOLID.
WELL WE, WE ASKED ABOUT THE FENCING AND, AND THIS PLAN SAYS CHAIN LINK, BUT WHEN I WALKED IT THE DAY WHEN I WAS OVER FOR SITE VISIT, THERE WAS GONNA BE A SOLID FENCE IN THE BACK.
SO WHEN I SEE THIS CHAIN LINK, I WAS JUST WONDERING AND HE EXPLAINED IT.
SO WE TALKED WITH BILL AND BILL IS WORKING ON SOME RESOLUTION CONDITIONS.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS GONNA BE THAT HE FILES AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S, I'M SORRY, LINK TO CORRUGATED STEEL WITH TYPICAL DETAIL.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TYPICAL DETAIL? JUST THAT YOU SEE HOW YOU SEE.
HE DOES YOU SEE HOW IT SAYS WHAT THE, IS JUST LIKE A FENCE ONE.
NOW MY FIXED CAR, NOT THAT HE FOLKS IT UH, CHANGE.
LIKE THIS ONE FOR THE FENCE? YEAH.
IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? NO.
GOING BACK TO MY PROPERTY, PEOPLE FROM DRIVING BACK, SARAH OR DREW, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS FOR A DRIVEWAY GATE? NO.
NO, THAT'S, WELL ACTUALLY THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT IS A BUILDING CODE ISSUE THAT WORKED THAT OUT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, YOU CAN NOW BE SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD THAT WHATEVER.
SO WHATEVER THAT REQUIREMENT, A BUILDING CODE.
SO YOU DON'T MIND WEARING PUT IT AS LONG AS YOU PUT IT RIGHT.
ONLY THE BUILDING REQUIRE IS BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME SAY THEY HAVE AN IMPOUND VEHICLE, THEY COME TO GET IT, THEY CAN PULL IN
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HERE, OBVIOUSLY GET OFF THE ROAD BASIS ALSO.SO MANY TRUCKS PULL IN, THEY'LL BE ENOUGH OFF THE ROAD.
DRIVEWAY GATE WILL BE SET BACK SO THAT PER CODE AND SUCH THAT VEHICLES ENTERING THE, THE DRIVEWAY ARE OFF THE ROADWAY AND OPENED THE GATE.
MIKE? MIKE, WAS THAT THE GATE WHEN I WAS DOING MY SIGHT THING? THE GATE WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS COMPARABLE TO THE GATE THEY HAVE AT AT THE GOLF COURSE.
IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE SAME GATE.
AND THE DISTANCE WAS NOT AS FAR OR FARTHER FROM THE ROAD.
AM I CORRECT? THAT GATE RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FENCE.
IT'S THERE, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA GO BACK 35 FEET.
I DON'T HONESTLY KNOW DIFFERENT DID I? SO THE ROAD IN NOVEMBER WE DID OKAY.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE SITE PLAN TOGETHER AS THE SAME RESOLUTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN.
RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST NOTE THAT NOTHING ON HERE CHANGES YOUR SECRET DECISION.
PLEASE JUST NOTE ON THE RECORD AND THEN JUST REISSUE SITE PLAN APPROVAL REFERENCING THAT PLAN WITH ANY REVISIONS TO THAT PLAN REQUESTED.
AND YOU CAN MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL, WHAT'S THE DATE OF THOSE DRUGS? UM, JUNE 1ST.
AND THEN CAN WE ALSO JUST NOTE THAT WE SHOULD MARK NO ONE FROM THE CAB IS HERE TODAY, RIGHT? NO, NO.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY UNLESS THEY POINTED
JUST CONFIRM THE TREE SPECIES, THE, THE PLANTING SPECIES WITH THE CAB.
SOMETIMES THEY RECOMMEND A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VARIETY, WHATEVER.
SO THERE WERE MORE TREES BUT THE ASH 40 BEATLES KILLED.
SO I'LL SAY, SO THIS PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND CAB WILL THIS DOG HERE FENCE IS CORRECT, RIGHT? YES.
ALL THE DOCUMENT THAT'S, THAT IS NO, SO CHAIN LINK FENCE IS ON WHAT PART OF THE PROPERTY? THERE'S NO CHAIN LINK.
RIGHT, BUT WHERE WHERE DOES IT SAY CHAIN LINK CHAIN? AROUND THE IMPO LOT.
OKAY, SO THEY PROVIDE THE HOLES FENCE AS WELL.
AND THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY CHAIN LINK.
NOW I WANT TO LOOK BETTER WITH THAT.
SO YOU GOT THESE CONDITIONS, FENCE, LANDSCAPING, DRIVEWAY, SUN PLAN'S BASED ON THE DRAWINGS STAGE.
YEAH, SO IT'S BOTH FENCING THE DOGEARED WOODEN FENCE AND THE CORRUGATED THE DOG YEAR WOULD'VE BEEN SUSTAINED.
THIS IS CHAIN LINK BEING REPLACED WITH A WOODEN FENCE.
BUT IT SAYS THE PLANT SEE DOG EAR.
THE ONE TO PROVIDE A TYPICAL OF IT.
JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS ALL THE SPECIFIC THINGS.
ANY OTHER TYPICAL THAT WE NEED.
AND THEN HE JUST NOTED THAT HE'S GONNA FILE THE GRADING.
I CAN'T DO YOU WANT FIGHTING THE HE THAT HE'LL FILE THE GRADE ELEVATIONS? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GIVE THEM LIKE A RECEIPT FOR LIKE DELIVERING SOMETHING BUT, ALRIGHT.
SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR MIKE SCHULTZ AT 5 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UH, BASED ON THE DRAWINGS DATED JUNE 1ST, 2021 AND PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON JUNE 16TH, 2021.
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WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE IMPOUND LOT FENCING WILL BE AMENDED FROM CHAINLINK TO GO TO CORRUGATED STEEL.TWO TYPICAL DETAIL WILL BE PROVIDED FOR ALL FENCING.
THREE LANDSCAPING WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THE DRIVEWAY GATE WILL BE SET BACK PER TOWN CODE.
SO VEHICLES CAN BE OFF THE ROADWAY WHEN OPENING THE GATE.
AND FOUR, THE GRADING ELEVATIONS MUST BE FILED WITH THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS ISN'T AT MY REPAIR SHOP BECAUSE THERE WAS CONFUSION BEFORE I HEARD THIS IS A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
RIGHT? BUT THAT OFFICE IS GOING TO BE USED AS AN OFFICE.
IT'S AN OFFICE FOR MY TOWING COMPANY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE WAS
THE CONFUSION WAS THAT SOME PEOPLE THAT THE OFFICE WASN'T GONNA BE USED.
YEAH, NO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN GONNA BE USED AND IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE REMODELED.
SO, BUT IT'S, I MEAN THERE'S A OFFICE SIGN ON THE DOOR AND EVERYTHING.
IT JUST, IT HAS TO BE REMODELED AND THAT'S ONLY INTERIOR INTERIOR.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO CONFUSION TIME.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOT, THERE WAS LOTS OF CONFUSION LAST TIME.
OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHICK-FIL-A REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW RESTAURANT BE BUILDING TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF 3, 4, 6 4 MILES STRIP ROAD.
AND WE LEFT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN LAST TIME.
DO YOU GUYS WANT PLANS? YES, PLEASE.
AND THESE ARE THE SAME ONES YOU HAVE, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT.
CARRIE, WHAT DATE WAS THAT? IT WAS A MONTH AGO.
I THINK IT WAS MAY 16TH I BELIEVE.
I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OLD MEETING TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY UPDATED COMMENTS.
THERE'S NO COMMENTS OF THAT UP.
I KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW SARAH, YOU GET IT OUT THAT LETTER THAT I KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD JUST TO PRINT THE LETTER.
YOU AGAIN, TREVOR BROUGHT IT FROM WITH THEM, SO THAT'S OKAY.
WE HAVE TWO COPIES OF THE SAME ONE.
I THINK YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LETTER? YEAH, THEY HAVE IT.
SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, SERGIO MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS TIMOTHY FRY TAG FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING AS WELL AS TREVOR KIN FROM RAY WARREN FLANIGAN, TREVOR, YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM SOME OF THE FACEBOOK COMMENTS, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
SO WE WERE LAST HERE ON MAY 16TH.
SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME, A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
NUMBER ONE, UH, THE 30 DAY TIME PERIOD FOR ANY INVOLVED AGENCIES OR EVEN INTERESTED AGENCIES TO RESPOND TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S REQUEST TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS EXPIRED.
AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, ONE COMMENT LETTER WAS RECEIVED THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
SPECIFICALLY GINA KOLOWSKI, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ENGINEER.
SHE DID CONFIRM THAT SHE REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PREPARED BY SRF ASSOCIATES AND IN HER COMMENT LETTER SHE SAID THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DATED APRIL, 2021 AND PREPARED BY SRF ASSOCIATES WAS REVIEWED BY THIS DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE NO TRAFFIC RELATED CONCERNS REGARDING THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
AND OF COURSE, AS YOU'LL RECALL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS.
WE HAVE THE EXISTING CURB CUT HERE ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY, WHICH IS A COUNTY HIGHWAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE EXISTING CURB CUT HERE ON MILES STRIP ROAD.
WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING TALKING ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE
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ONSITE TRAFFIC, INCLUDING HOW THAT'S HANDLED DURING THE GRAND OPENING.I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RAISED COMPARING THIS TO OTHER LOCATIONS IN WESTERN NEW YORK, THAT THIS IS THE NEW PROTOTYPE THAT'S BEEN ROLLED OUT.
THIS INCLUDES A DOUBLE STACKING LANE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLANS AND WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AN ORDERING WINDOW HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THAT SLIDING DOOR WHERE LITERALLY THE EMPLOYEES COME OUT AND ARE ABLE TO ACCESS REST DIRECTLY WITH CUSTOMERS IN THEIR VEHICLES AND PROCESS ORDERS MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
UM, TREVOR AKIN DID PREPARE A LETTER BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD DURING ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 16TH.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL NOW HAVE TWO COPIES OF IT.
UM, I'LL SUMMARIZE A COUPLE OF THE POINTS, BUT TREVOR HERE, OF COURSE, IS HERE TO OFFER ANY CLARIFICATION.
NUMBER ONE, IT DOES CONFIRM THAT RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN IS WELL AWARE AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT DURING THE GRAND OPENING THERE MAY BE A NEED TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL QUEING OF VEHICLES ON THEIR PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN SEE ONCE YOU EXTEND PAST THIS POINT, THERE'S STILL A TON OF ROOM ON SITE, PARTICULARLY HERE FOR ADDITIONAL ONSITE STACKING WITHOUT IT BACKING UP ONTO MILES STRIP ROAD, WHICH IS REALLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT TAKING PLACE AT THE CORNER OF AN UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT.
SEAN? YES, I, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE, ONCE YOU LEAVE, YOU CAN SEE HERE, I CAN SEE ONCE YOU LEAVE WHAT YOU SAID ONCE YOU LEAVE HERE.
SO ONCE AS, AS YOU, AS YOU, AFTER THE LEASE LINE ENDS FOR THE BACK PORTION OF THE STACKING LANE, THEN YOU'RE EXTENDING ONTO THE REMAINDER OF THE
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY AN ACCESS AISLE ON SITE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL QUEING IF NEED.
UM, THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE LETTER THAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT FROM RAYMORE FLANAGAN IS THE FACT THAT THIS SITE WAS PURCHASED BY THEM OR BY THE RELATED COMPANY AT A BANKRUPTCY WAS FORMALLY CHOICERS.
AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING ASPECTS OF THIS SITE COMPARED TO OTHER RAYMORE FLANAGAN SITES AS WELL AS OTHER CHICK-FIL-A SITES, IS THERE IS A TON OF EXTRA PARKING ON THE SITE.
TREVOR AND I WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THIS WAS TOYS ARE US AND BABIES ARE US.
AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE EXTREME PEAK HOLIDAY SEASONS, SPECIFICALLY THANKSGIVING TO CHRISTMAS.
SO THERE IS A TON OF EXTRA PARKING I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS SITE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A CAR PARKED OUT IN THIS AREA.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE DURING CHRISTMAS SEASON WITH TOYS OR US.
SO IT'S LITERALLY OCCURRING ON A PORTION OF THE SITE THAT HAS PARKING THAT'S NEVER UTILIZED.
AND IN FACT IT WILL ACTUALLY RESULT IN MORE GREEN SPACE THAT IS THERE TODAY.
AND WE DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THE OTHER ASPECT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS TIM AND HIS TEAM DID MAKE AN UPDATED SUBMISSION OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT WENT TO KAMI GERALD, UH, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE.
SO I BELIEVE HER COMMENT LETTER DATED MAY 13TH, CAMMI DID SEND AN EMAIL TO US TODAY, AND I BELIEVE SARAH RECEIVED A COPY SAYING SHE'S FINE WITH THAT UPDATED SUBMISSION.
I THINK SHE SAID SHE NEEDED TO VERIFY THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS, BUT I THINK SHE SAID IT WAS CLEAR WE COULD ADVISE THE PLANNING BOARD THAT FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, SHE IS ALL SET.
JUST WANT TO, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, TREVOR, IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF RAYMORE FLANAGAN, UH, THE CO-TENANCY AND THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
ONE THING I DO WANT TREVOR TO TALK ABOUT VERY QUICKLY IS WE'VE EMPHASIZED THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW USING THAT DOUBLE STACKING LANE WITH THE, UH, WINDOW THAT OPENS RATHER THAN JUST AN OLD SCHOOL ORDERING WINDOW.
THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED AT ANOTHER SITE IN CLAY, NEW YORK THAT OPENED APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO.
TREVOR, I'D LIKE YOU TO TOUCH ON THAT WHEN YOU MAKE SOME VERY BRIEF COMMENTS.
UH, TREVOR REIN WITH, UH, RAY MOORE AND LANGAN, UM, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT, UM, IS AS SEAN MENTIONED, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO, SO MID TO LATE APRIL, WE OPENED, UH, ANOTHER CHICK-FIL-A LOCATION, UM, WITH, WITH BOWLER IN CHICK-FIL-A, OBVIOUSLY IN CLAY, NEW YORK.
AND IT WAS THE SECOND LOCATION THAT THEY OPENED IN THE SYRACUSE MARKET.
UM, THE FIRST LOCATION THAT OPENED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND IT DID EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE EXTREME TRAFFIC AND STACKING, AND MY LETTER REFERS TO IT AS A PILGRIMAGE.
UM, WE HEARD STORIES OF PEOPLE DRIVING SEVERAL HOURS, UH, TO GET THERE, THERE, AND THAT WAS THE OLDER PROTOTYPE, UM, THAT TIM CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
BUT WHAT ENDED UP OPENING IN, IN CLAY WAS THE DOUBLE STACKING LANE.
AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A NEW INNOVATION, SO IT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAD CHANGED, UM, ALONG WITH THAT SLIDING DOOR.
AND THEN SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS CHICK-FIL-A AND THE OPERATOR THERE HAD EXPLAINED TO US, UM, I DUNNO IF IT'S, IT'S A PORTION OF THE PANDEMIC OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, BUT THERE'S ALSO MOBILE ORDERING
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AND A MOBILE PICKUP, WHICH HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY.AND SO WHAT THAT DOES, IT ALSO TAKES TRAFFIC OUT OF THE LANES AND IT ALLOWS FOR ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE SAME RUNNER WHO WOULD BE GOING OUT THAT SLIDING DOOR TO THEN TAKE, UH, FOOD OUT TO THE CUSTOMER'S CARS.
AND IT OPERATES, UM, INCREDIBLY EFFICIENTLY.
I CAN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE TO YOU HOW PLEASED WE ARE, UM, TO BE AT THEIR CO-TENANT AT A, AT A MUCH TIGHTER SITE IN, UH, IN CLAY, BUT WITH THEIR EXPERTISE IN MOVING CUSTOMERS AND THROUGHPUT.
UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE FEARED, UM, WAS I THINK WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS THINK OF WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT CHICK-FIL-A AND THEY'VE SEEN THE FIRST ONE OPEN AND THEY GET NERVOUS ABOUT IT AS BOTH, UM, FRANKLY THE LANDLORD AND THE CO-TENANT.
UM, AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING, UH, WAS ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THAT SO MUCH SO.
AND I, I MENTIONED IN MY LETTER, WE WERE WORRIED THAT WE HAD PROBABLY THE, THE WORST PERFORMING CHICK-FIL-A AND GRAND OPENING IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMPANY.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLY, UM, SLEEPY.
AND SO WE, WE WENT DOWN AND WE MET WITH THE OPERATOR AND FOUND HIM ECSTATIC WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE STORE.
HE HAD DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB PARTNERING WITH, UM, IN CLAY.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY USE THE, UH, THE ONONDAGA COUNTY, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND THEY HAD BROUGHT DEPUTIES, UM, THEY HAD PUT TOGETHER A GRAND OPENING STACKING PLAN THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED FOR, UM, PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED VEHICLES, UH, TO CIRCULATE THE ENTIRE PARKING FACILITY, UH, GO BEHIND ANOTHER RESTAURANT AND THEN ACCESS THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY KIND OF A LONG WAY WHILE STILL ALLOWING, UM, IN THIS SITE IT'S A BURLINGTON, THE RAYMORE AND FLANNIGAN AND ANOTHER RESTAURANT, UM, TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS REALLY SMART.
AND NONE OF THAT WAS USED, NONE OF IT, UM, WAY THEY PAID, UH, FOR THREE SHERIFFS, UH, TO BE AT EVERY ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, FOR A WEEK.
UM, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BE THERE FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR.
AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY CUSTOMER DURING THAT ENTIRE GRAND OPENING WAS REPORTED TO US.
NOBODY WAITED MORE THAN 10 MINUTES TO GET THEIR FOOD AND EXIT TO THE FACILITY.
UM, SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE SHAMAN WE'RE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THEM HERE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL MENTION JUST FROM, FROM COMING HERE AND, AND I WANNA THANK SARAH AND THE ENGINEERS, UM, AND THEN THE BOARD AND THE STAFF IN GENERAL, UM, FOR THE SUPPORT OF RENOVATING THIS SITE.
WHEN WE CAME HERE, UH, WE HAD DARK TOYS US THAT HAD BEEN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, THE ABILITY TO COME IN AND NOT JUST ADD OUR STORE, BUT THE BUILDING WAS OVERSIZED FOR US.
UM, WE HAD THE 7,000 SQUARE FOOT SKETCHERS HERE AND THEN, THEN ON TOP OF THAT, UM, WE, WE HAD A, A SEA OF PARKING THAT ISN'T USED.
RINGWORMS, FLANIGAN AND FURNITURE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IS NOT A PARKING INTENSIVE USE.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE A PARKING FIELD THAT IS THIS OVERDONE AND IS UNDERUTILIZED, WHAT WE END UP WITH.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, WE DETERMINED TO BE A, A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NOTICED IT, BUT WE ENDED UP PUTTING THE SPEED BUMPS IN AND UP IN FRONT OF OUR STORE BEING DRIVE BY 'CAUSE CUSTOMERS WITH THE DARK STORE FOR A COUPLE.
WE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO THERE BEING NO ONE IN THAT PARKING LOT.
AND WE WERE DRIVING ACROSS THE FRONT OF OUR STORE AND WE WERE WORRIED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND SO WE THINK THAT IN INCREASING THE, UM, THE FAR IN, IN THE PARKING FIELD, INCREASING THE TRAFFIC THAT CUSTOMERS COMING FROM THE BJ'S WILL BECOME MORE AWARE, ACTUALLY DRIVE IT AT SLOWER SPEED THAT WE SAFER FOR, FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR ASSOCIATES.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL ACTUALLY TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF OF THIS LANE TO GET OUT TO MCKINLEY, UM, AND MAYBE SEND 'EM BACK TOWARDS THAT FORMER RUBY TUESDAY'S PARCEL, UH, AND KEEP THEM AWAY FROM OUR, FROM OUR CUSTOMERS AND ASSOCIATES.
SO WHILE THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE HANDFUL OF, UM, OF OTHER REASONS, UH, WHILE I WANT TO SEE THEM HERE AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, I'M HAPPY TO.
YEAH, I GOT A FEW NOW I'M FAMILIAR WITH CLAY AND YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE AREA COULD HIT CHICK-FIL-A AND IT WOULDN'T IMPACT PARKING OR TRAFFIC.
UH, SEND THAT, I'M CONFUSED IF YOU SIGN THE LETTERS.
DIRECTOR OF LEASES FOR
OH, YOU'RE SAYING WE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
WE, WE AS IN RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN AND, UM, SO RAYMORE IS BOTH ESSENTIALLY THE RELATED AFFILIATES OR WE ARE, WE'RE BOTH THE LANDLORD, RIGHT.
SO I, WHEN I'M THE DIRECTOR OF LEASING, I, I ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED THE LEASE WITH CHICK-FIL-A IN BOTH LOCATIONS.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE FOR CHICK-FIL-A, THAT THAT DEAL, RIGHT? AND THE, AND THE REASON MR. CHAPMAN, THAT SPECIFICALLY TREVOR IS HERE.
'CAUSE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON MAY 16TH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS TO WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN SPECIFICALLY IS AWARE OF THE NATURE OF CHICK-FIL-A AND UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE MAY BE THE NEED FOR STACKING TO EXTEND ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT'S OFF THE LEASE LINE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE VERY GRACIOUS THAT TREVOR CAME FROM THE SYRACUSE AREA FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.
SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR TREVOR WOULD BE ONE
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OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH SNOW STORAGE AND WITH THESE GIANT PARKING LOTS THERE ENDS UP WITH A HUMONGOUS MOUNTAIN OF SNOW IN THE MIDDLE.AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THAT WE ACTUALLY KEPT IT IN THIS CORNER.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW ARE, WHERE ARE YOU INTENDING TO SHIFT YOUR SNOW MOUNTAIN FOR SNOW STORAGE TO, ON THIS PROPERTY ONCE THIS COMES IN? SURE.
SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LARGE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
WE HAVE, UM, IN-HOUSE ENGINEERS AND WE, AND WE SUBCONTRACT THEIR CALLING, SO THEY'LL WORK THROUGH THAT.
SO I, I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GET AN ANSWER TO THROUGH SEAN IF IT'S NECESSARY.
UM, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WITH SNOWPLOW CONTRACTORS IN MY, UH, EXPERIENCE IS THEY TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, RIGHT? THE SOONER THEY GET OFF THE SITE, THE MORE THEY CAN GET, THE SOONER THEY GET OUTTA THE NEXT ONE, THE MORE MONEY THEY CAN MAKE.
UM, WITH CHICK-FIL-A HERE, IT'LL GO FROM THE MOST PROMINENT CORNER OF OUR FACILITY TO SOMETHING IN THE BACK.
UM, SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A TRASH COMPACTOR, UH, OR A CARDBOARD COMPACT.
WE RECYCLE 100% OF OUR MATERIALS AND TAKE 'EM BACK OURSELVES.
SO THIS FACILITY WAS SET UP TO BE A, A VERY LARGE DEPARTMENT STORE AND THEY USED TO HAVE, UH, TRASH AND UM, AND CARDBOARD CONTRACTORS IN, IN THE BACK.
AND SO THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF, UM, PLENTY OF ROOM IN THIS BACK AREA IF WE WANTED TO STORE SNOW BACK THERE.
UM, RAIN WARS OPERATES SOME OF OUR, OUR MOST PRODUCTIVE STORES WITH 20 TO THREE PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO THE SEA OF PARKING IS, IS CERTAINLY, UH, NOT REQUIRED.
UM, WHAT I MADE DEAL WITH, WITH S SKETCHERS, WHAT WE AGREED TO WAS JUST TO PROTECT THE PARKING, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THEIR STORE AND THEN JUST DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT, THEY DON'T NEED A GREAT DEAL OF PARKING EITHER.
THEY'RE ONLY 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM HERE FOR, FOR SNOW STORAGE, PARTICULARLY I THINK ON, ON THE WINGS AND THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
AND WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS FROM A COMMENT EARLIER ON, WE HAD A, A SIMILAR APPROACH TO WHAT TREVOR'S TALKING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL SOLELY BE TREATED UP HERE IN THE PERIMETER.
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAUL OUT, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH THIS CANOPY.
SO THERE IS SUFFICIENT GREEN SPACE ALONG THE PERIMETER THAT DRIVE THROUGH TO HANDLE THAT ACTIVITY.
AND EVERYTHING OUT FRONT HERE WILL BE PUSHED TO THE SIDES IN THE BACK OF THE SITE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THESE PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE BUILDING OVER HERE OR OVER HERE.
SO YOUR PARKING IS REALLY IN THE ISOLATED OUT FRONT DURING THE, THE WINTER MONTHS.
AND YOU'LL HAVE EXTRA STORAGE AREAS BACK HERE TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND STILL, EVEN WITH CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE STILL AT ABOUT ABOUT A FOUR PER THOUSAND PARKING RATIO ON THE CENTER.
YOU KNOW, GENERAL RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS, YOU LOOK TO BE ABOUT THREE PER THOUSAND.
SO WE'RE STILL SOMEWHAT OVER PARKED WITH A FURNITURE AND MANY MUNICIPALITIES ARE GOING LOWER THAN THAT NOW WITH FURNITURE STORES AND E-COMMERCE.
NOW THAT'S EVEN GETTING LOWER.
SO I'M STILL COMFORTABLE THAT WE ARE OVER PARKED, UH, EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, CHICK-FIL-A BEING ADDED TO THE CENTER AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SUFFICIENT STORAGE ON THAT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA PARK THE SNOW RIGHT BY THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE AND THOSE, I WOULD GO IN AND TURN LEFT AND THAT'S WHERE THE SNOW'S GONNA BE ON THAT.
WE DON'T UTILIZE VACANT PARKING SPACES HERE.
WE WOULDN'T EVER BLOCKED SITE VISIBILITY.
I KNOW YOU CAN GET IN THERE, BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM BETWEEN THE BUILDING, UH, AND, AND THE PARKING SPACES TO PUT OH, IT'S A DOUBLE STACK.
IT'S A DOUBLE STACK DIAL WITH PARKING SPACES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND I THINK WITH THE SNOW WE GET, UH, WELL THEN OF COURSE IF WE GET ONE OF THOSE REAL BIG SOUTH TOWN SNOWSTORMS, WHICH THEY DO HAPPEN, BASICALLY EVERYONE WINDS UP TRUCKING SNOW OFF.
I MEAN THAT, THAT HAPPENS EVERY COUPLE YEARS OR A FEW YEARS.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUICK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PARKING SPACES NOW THAT, IS THAT FOR PARKING OR IS THAT FOR STACKING? WELL, WE HAVE A LOT FOR, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE 35 ONSITE STACKING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE ALL THAT PARKING.
THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, SO DURING THE GRAND OPENING, WHAT IF WE GO BEYOND THAT 35 STACKING SPACES? AND AS TREVOR INDICATED IN CLAY, NEW YORK, THEY HAD A PLAN THAT SHOWED LITERALLY WINDING UP TO AT LEAST A HUNDRED SPACES.
SO BASICALLY WHAT HE IS SAYING ON BEHALF OF THE LANDLORD IS THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA WORK COLLECTIVELY COME UP.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE SEATING CAPACITY OF CHICK-FIL-A THAT YOU WOULD NEED ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES? THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 120 SEATS IN THEIR STORES.
AND THEY, THEY ON AVERAGE NEED 50 TO 60 PARKING SPACES.
OKAY, SO YOU GOT HERE WE HAVE 202 I BELIEVE OVERALL PARKING SPACES.
AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 35 STACKS WITHIN THE DRY COVERED THAT, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN THE PARK.
WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TAR VEHICLE AND, AND YOU HAVE PARKING.
I GO IN, SIT DOWN, YOU, HOW IS THAT, UH, SEPARATED FROM THE CARS THAT ARE GOING BY AI COME UP LIKE, BOOM, AND YOU'RE DIRECT.
I JUST WANNA PULL IN THE PARKING LOT.
CAN I DO THAT OR IS IT GONNA BE BLACKED OUT SOMEWHERE? IF YOU PICK UP FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH YEAH.
AND YOU WANNA PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT? YEAH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO.
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PULL HEAD INTO THE PARKING SPACES, PULL OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND OCCUPY THESE PARKING SPACES.WHAT'S THE BEST, YOU SAY THERE'S PEOPLE WHO BE DIRECTING THESE? YEAH, THEY'LL BE DIRECTING, UH, PEOPLE HERE TO PROBABLY TAKE A LEFT.
WE WOULD PREFER EVERYBODY LEAVING TO DRIVE YOU TO TAKE A LEFT, BUT THERE'S STILL PARKING AVAILABLE NOT ONLY JUST TO EAT YOUR FOOD, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO USE, USE THE RESTROOMS INSIDE AND OR GO CHANGE YOUR ORDER, THEY'RE STILL FULL HEAD MARK.
SO WHEN YOU'RE PUSHING THEM OUT, YOU'RE PUSHING THEM OUT ONTO MCKINLEY, THE MCKINLEY MILES STRIP MILES STRIPS UP THERE.
DURING PEAK HOURS, THE, THE DIRECTION OF FLOW WOULD BE DIRECTED HERE FROM EITHER TEAM MEMBERS OR LIKE SANDWICH BOARD SIGNAGE, TEMPORARY SIGNAGE TO DIRECT PEOPLE OUT BACK TO MCKINLEY.
SO WHAT MAKES YOU DIFFERENT THAN THIS SITE AT CLAY? FROM WHAT I CAN TELL FROM THE QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH I WAS DOING IS THAT, UM, THE CLAY COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE LIGHT.
THIS DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE LIGHT.
SO YOUR PATRONS AT CLAY WHEN THEY EXIT THE FACILITY ARE COMING OUT AT A LIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THIS IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA COME OUT TO TWO AREAS WHERE THERE'S NO LIGHTS AND WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING LEFT HAND TURNS ACROSS THE ROADS WITH NOT GREAT TRAFFIC RATINGS AS IT IS.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN.
YOU'RE ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, NATIONAL SPORTS ARENA THAT HOSTS EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, NOT JUST SUNDAYS WHEN CHICK-FIL-A'S CLOSED.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND HAVE A SOLID PLAN IN PLACE FOR WHEN THEY DO HOST EVENTS BECAUSE THOSE RETAIL CENTERS NEAR THAT GET HIT SIGNIFICANTLY WITH PEOPLE LOOKING FOR QUICK MEALS TO TAKE TO TAILGATE, TAKE AS THEY'RE GOING TO THE ARENA ARE COMING HOME FROM THE ARENA.
UM, AND THAT ARENA IS USED FOR MORE THAN JUST BUFFALO BELL SKI.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE DEFINITELY SOME CONCERNS.
IT DOES DIFFERENTIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PLAIN NEW YORK SITE IN THAT REGARD.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, TRAFFIC IS STILL AN ISSUE FOR ME.
UM, I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE, WENT OUT AT, OH, WALDEN GALLIA ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND YOU HAD A LINE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE INTERSECTION, LIKE IT'S NOT ANYTHING SPECIAL ANYMORE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHICK-FIL-A'S AROUND HERE.
SO TRAFFIC IS STILL A CONCERN.
I APPRECIATE THE LARGE MEANS YOU'VE GONE TO, TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'RE STILL COMING OUT IN AREAS WHERE YOU'RE COMING OUT AND THERE'S NO LIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO NOT MAKE THE LEFT ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HEAD THAT WAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
SO THAT MAKE YOU DO AGREE, REALIZE THERE ARE FOUR WAYS TO GET OUT OF THIS.
ONE IS ALIGHTED INTERSECTION, THAT'S WHAT RIGHT.
THE CLAY LEARN TO GO OUT THE LIGHTED INTER THE CLAY WEBSITE THAT THEY KEEP REFERENCING.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TIM HORTON COURSE RIGHT OUT THE INTERSECTION.
THAT, BUT I DO ONLY HAVE THE ONE ACCESS POINT.
AND FRANKLY THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UM, THEY ENDED UP STATIONED THE, THE VERY FIRST VEGA COUNTY SHERIFF UNDERNEATH THAT.
AND THAT IS A VERY, ROUTE 31 IS A VERY BUSY REALITY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS NOTICING ON THE, THERE'S A WEGMANS ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S VERY, I WAS WATCHING THAT IN SOME OF THE REPORTS AND, AND SO ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR INITIAL CONCERNS WAS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SO MUCH STACKING, RIGHT.
SO YOU SAW THE SITE, IF YOU COME DOWN CHICK-FIL-A YEP.
AND YOU GO OUT THE MAIN DRIVE AISLE AND GET TO THAT, THAT TRAFFIC CENTER, WE WERE WORRIED THAT THE LANES COMING INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD BLOCK ROUTE 31.
AND SO WE HAD, WE HAD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE WE DO ONLY HAVE THE ONE POINT OF ACCESS.
IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER EVEN CLOSE.
YOU ALSO HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING AT THE CLAY SITE FOR YOUR RAYMORE FLANAGAN THAN I NOTICED, WHICH I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NICE.
BUT THAT'S A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT RAYMORE FLANAGAN THAT DOES MORE THAN TWICE THE VOLUME.
I ALSO, I ALSO HAVE A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BURLINGTON ADJACENT TO ME.
AND THEN NOW IN FRONT OF ME, I HAVE TWO NATIONAL CHAIN RESTAURANTS.
YEAH, YOU HAVE LONG CORN OFF, I SAW THERE.
SO SMOKEY BONES IS, IS VERY CLOSE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SHARE SOME PARKING.
UM, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DISCUSS WITH 'EM.
BUT, UM, WITH TWO YEARS, OR SORRY, TWO WITH TWO MONTHS IN OPERATION, THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO COMPLAINTS FROM EITHER SMOKEY BONES OR LONGHORN BURLINGTON, AND NONE OF OUR ASSOCIATES.
AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, RAINWATER LANDING, WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, UM, TO ACQUIRE THIS SITE.
WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEVELOP THIS SITE.
AND WE ARE A FURNITURE RETAILER AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY A HOMETOWN FURNITURE RETAILER.
IN 1987, UM, RAY MOORE'S FURNITURE COMPANY BOUGHT FLANNIGAN'S FURNITURE.
FLA WAS ROCHESTER AND BUFFALO BASE.
AND SO WE, WE TAKE, UM, EXTREME CARE OF OUR ASSOCIATES, UM, AND OUR, AND OUR CUSTOMER.
WE ARE A CUSTOMER FIRST BUSINESS, RIGHT.
IF WE'RE FAMILY OWNED AND WE RESPECT THAT A GOOD DEAL, THERE IS NO WAY IN, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WE WOULD DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM MAKING ONE SALE OR, OR MAKING ONE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE NEGATIVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT CHICK-FIL-A WILL DO THAT.
WE HAVE INFINITE CONFIDENCE IN, IN BOWLER, WE USE THEM OURSELVES
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WHEN WE DEVELOP.UM, WE'RE SURE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, IS, IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
UM, AND, AND OUR EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS VERY REAL AND VERY RECENT, UM, I'M STILL STANDING HERE TODAY ASKING YOU TO, UH, TO APPROVE THIS.
WE THINK IT'D BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT, UM, TO, TO US, UM, BOTH AS A, AS A RETAILER AND A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, JUST BECAUSE RAYBORN FLANAGAN HAS EXPERIENCES AT A CLAY SITE WITH CHICK-FIL-A, THAT THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS, OH, THIS IS GOOD.
THE REASON WE'RE REALLY COMPARING THAT SITE IS TO THE DIFFERENCES IN HOW STACKING AND ORDERING ARE TAKING PLACE COMPARED TO THE EXISTING LOCATIONS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY'RE EXACT SAME SITES.
DREW, YOU WERE SAYING THERE WERE FOUR POINTS OF EGRESS.
ARE YOU CONTIN COUNTING POINTS OF EGRESS OF THEM EXITING THE RAYMORE FLANIGAN AND GOING ACROSS ACROSS TO THE OTHER PLAZA? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ACCESS.
BUT THAT'S, PEOPLE USE THAT ALL TIME.
BUT IF THEY'RE USING IT AND IT'S NOT AS HEAVILY TRAVELED AND IT IS NOT THE EASIEST WAY TO WELL, THE ONLY, YOU GO THERE ON A SATURDAY DAY TO BJ'S AND THAT LIGHT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU PULL IN, YOU SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING FROM TIM HORTON'S GOING TO THE LIGHT AND THEY'RE BLOCKING THE ACCESS TO GET IN.
I MEAN, I GOT STUCK, BUT THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR MEANS OF EGRESS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, BUT THAT ONE THERE, THEY'RE REDUCING THE, THAT ONE THERE.
THE ONLY WAY SOMETIMES YOU GET OUT OF THERE IS TO GO DOWN TOWARD THE, UH, I THINK IF THAT PARKING LOT CAME IN FRONT OF US NOW, IT WOULDN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE IT DOES EVEN ACROSS THE STREET, THE PROBLEMS. I MEAN, I DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS A WAY TO MITIGATE, YOU CAN ENTER IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE LIGHT.
IT IS, IT IS A WAY TO MITIGATE WELL, NOT A VERY GOOD ONET ACCESS.
NOT A VERY GOOD ONE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
WELL, THAT'S WHY ALL OF NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO ACCESS MANAGEMENT, HAVING CONNECTION BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS TO DO JUST WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I'VE BEEN THERE A HUNDRED TIMES.
AND YOU, YOU PULLED IN AND I'M TRYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE.
WELL, I, I'M JUST SAYING, I SHOWED THIS TO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
I SHOWED THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SCENARIOS YOU POSSIBLY COULD HAVE FOR A PICK ANOTHER PLACE IN THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I, YOU COULD PUT A CHICK-FIL-A FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
THIS WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT WITH THE AMOUNT OF ACCESS AND THE LOCATION IN THIS IS A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.
WE ARE GOING TO REDEVELOP THE MCKINLEY MALL.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS GOING BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
ALRIGHT, SO WHEN YOU SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC REPORT, THE COUNTY HAD PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS ON MCKINLEY, ED RAKOWSKI FROM THE DOT RETIRED, DIDN'T HE? DID WE? NO, HE'S STILL HERE.
SO I SPOKE TO HIM SEVERAL DAYS AGO.
HE DID RECEIVE A COPY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AS WELL AS THE SITE PLAN.
SARAH SENT HIM AS PART OF SEEKER.
AND BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID, AND IT'S ALMOST A QUOTE, BUT WE HAVE NO PERMITS IN CONNECTION TO THAT PROJECT.
SO WE MAY LOOK AT IT, BUT IN TERMS OF OUR REVIEW, LOOKING AT THE PLAN, THIS IS NOT A BIG PRIORITY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ARY QUOTE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED DREW OR SARAH TO HEAR THAT.
AND WE DON'T NEED A PERMIT FROM 'EM FROM DAY ONE.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, ALWAYS BEEN THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH A USE LIKE THIS IS INTERNAL TRAFFIC STACKING AND THE ABILITY TO GET PEOPLE ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY.
THE FIFTH ISSUE WAS TYPICALLY IF YOU GO ONLINE ABOUT THEM IS THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE STACKING WITHIN PARKING LOTS AND PLAZAS AND YOU BLOCK THOSE OTHER CUSTOMERS.
SO YOU HAVE RAYMORE FLAG AND TELLING YOU HERE, THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT, THEY'RE THEM BLOCKING CUSTOMERS FROM GETTING INTO THEIR FACILITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SLOWLY GET, GET EACH ONE OF THESE ISSUES.
SO INTERNAL STACKING, I THINK THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, I'M NOT SAYING, IS GETTING PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE SUB EFFECT, INTERNAL STACKING GREAT IDEA, 60 SOME, WHATEVER THE STACKING POSSIBILITY TO BE, IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE EXISTING BUSINESS THAT'S THERE, EVEN IF IT STACKS ACROSS BY THE FRONT OF IT.
NOW WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
I THINK MEGAN RAISED THE ONE ISSUE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THE SITE RIGHT HERE IS OFFSET FROM THE ENTRANCE ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE IS A, SORRY, I USE THE UNOFFICIAL, THE SUICIDE LANE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE, OF THE ROAD THERE.
IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL TURNING LANE.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE, THE MIDDLE LANE HERE THAT'S THERE THAT, THAT ACCESSES.
AFTER THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE THE ACCESS OUT ONTO MCKINLEY, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DRIVE BY THIS DOWN THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND MAKE, HOPEFULLY THOSE PEOPLE MAJORITY WILL MAKE A RIGHT ON MCKINLEY.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET ONTO MCKINLEY AND NOT TRY TO MAKE A LEFT OUTTA HERE WILL COME OUT AND
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MAKE A RIGHT OUT OF THERE, SUFFICIENT ROOM BACK FROM THE INTERSECTION SO YOU CAN DRIVE THERE.THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, LIKE I SAID, I REALIZED THAT THE PARKING LOT, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO THROUGH THE ADJOINING PARKING LOTS.
NOT THE BEST SCENARIO IN THE WORLD, BUT IT DOES ADD RELIEVER STATUS TO THIS FACT THAT YOU HAVE THESE TWO MAIN ENTRANCES.
AND IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS PEOPLE COULD GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF THE ADJOINING PLAZA, WHICH IS CONNECTED, WHICH WE'RE HAVING.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL PLAZAS CONNECTED IN WESTERN NEW YORK AND TRY TO GET THEM CONNECTED.
SO YOU COULD GO OUT THAT OTHER ROOM.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IF I COULD REDO THAT PLAZA NEXT DOOR, THERE WOULD BE A BETTER LAYOUT TO HOW TO GET TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE.
WHEN I USED TO GO TO THE TIM HORTONS, THE, WHAT WAS IT BEFORE TIM HORTON'S? IT WAS A BOSTON.
I USED TO GO, WE USED TO GO TO BOSTON MARKET ALMOST EVERY, EVERY TIME.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU PEOPLE, THEY, THEY CUT THROUGH THERE AND THEN THEY STOPPED.
'CAUSE YOU WANT TO GET UP TO THE WHITE.
AND THEY BLOCKED THE TRAFFIC COMING IN.
NOW IF THEY JUST HAD A SIGN, YOU KNOW NO, NO.
THEY SHOULD BE CROSS HATCHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
SO PEOPLE DON'T PULL AND SIT THERE AND GO, WELL, I'M WAITING TO TURN LEFT AND I'M BLOCKING THE PEOPLE FROM COMING IN.
SAME THING ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW? SURE.
THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WHERE TRAFFIC IS BECOMING ON MAJOR CONCERN AND MAJOR STICKING POINT FOR US.
WHERE DO YOU STAND WITH HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND SPEND A LITTLE TIME TALKING TO THE BOARD, HELPING US BETTER UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC, BETTER UNDERSTAND WAYS TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE I'M JUST, IT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY A STICKING POINT FOR US.
I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE DOING ANYTHING THAT MAKES THE TRAFFIC IN AN ALREADY, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT INTERSECTION.
WELL, AND, AND, AND WE CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, SRF DID A TRAFFIC STUDY THEY SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY AND STATE, BY ALL MEANS, YOU CAN HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, A HIRE A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN THAT, AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS LONG-TERM PLANNING FOR THE LONG-TERM PLANNING AND INSIGHT.
'CAUSE I'VE TRIED TO, LIKE, I TAKE A TON OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE TAKE AND NOBODY OFFERS STUFF ON TRAFFIC INSIDE.
I'VE LOOKED, I'VE TAKEN 'EM ON SOLAR, TAKEN 'EM ON FARMING.
SEVERAL CONSULTANTS WE COULD HAVE COME IN FOR TRAINING, BUT FOR THIS PROJECT, RIGHT.
DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY INDEPENDENT TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY? AWESOME.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE TELL US ANYTHING DIFFERENT TALK.
SO JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS LONG TERM AND KNOW WHAT ARE DECISIONS WE CAN MAKE THAT WOULD IMPROVE.
AND WHAT I THINK WE JUST CAN'T MAKE BETTER.
I I DO WANNA MAKE CLEAR, AND WE DID SUBMIT A COPY OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND SRF DID DO A CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
AND SO THE DRIVEWAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT MCKINLEY IN HERE, AND OF COURSE IT IS AN UNSIGNED DRIVEWAY AT, AT THE PEAK HOURS, BOTH WEEKDAY PM AND THE SATURDAY PEAK.
IT IS FUNCTIONING AT LEVELS OF SERVICE A AND B FOR THE MOVEMENTS.
SO SRF AND THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT.
KEEP IN MIND THOSE ARE BUSY ROADS, BUT BUSY IS A RELATIVE TERM.
AND IT'S HERE ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY, UM, 2017 DOT FIGURES, 10,197.
AND ON MILES STRIPP, WHICH IS NEW YORK STATE GROUP 1 79, 20,151.
SO YOU HAVE TWICE THE TRIPS DAILY ON MILES TRIPP AS MCKINLEY, WHICH IS I THINK GOOD NEWS AS FAR AS WE'RE DIRECTING THOSE TRIPS.
BUT THERE'S MANY ROADS IN WEST DIRECT THAT HAVE WAY MORE THAN TWICE THAT VOLUME.
TRANSIT ROAD IS SIXTIES MAIN STREET.
BUT I, BUT I DO THINK THE POINT THAT DREW MADE IS CLEAR.
IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE COULD YOU PROPOSE A NEW CHICK-FIL-A WHERE THERE'S EXCESS PARKING, NO NEW CURB CUTS ONTO THE ROADWAYS.
ROADWAYS THAT CAN HANDLE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
I SAID WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT.
SO LET'S NOT WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER ALTERNATE SITES FOR SECRET.
I MEAN, NOT QUITE THE SAME THING.
LET'S NOT TALKING ABOUT STUFF WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT.
WELL, NO, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S AMPLE MERITS BASED ON ALL THE EVIDENCE WE PRESENTED TO APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN.
REP'S REPORT DOES ANALYZE THE IMPACTS OF CHICK-FIL-A.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S HERE TO REVIEW AND ASSESS THE IMPACTS OF CHICK-FIL-A WERE DOCUMENTED TO INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 48 OR 49 ENTERING VEHICLES IN THE PEAK HOUR.
SO THE PEAK HOUR, I BELIEVE IS YOUR SATURDAY FOUR TO FIVE OR YOUR FOUR 30 TO 5:30 PM AND EXPERIENCE THE HIGHEST VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S 40 VEHICLES TO 50 VEHICLES TRYING TO EXIT THIS SITE.
YOU HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF EGRESS.
SO NOW WHAT SRF ASSOCIATES DID IN THEIR MODEL IS THEY DISTRIBUTE THOSE POINTS OF EGRESS THROUGHOUT THESE DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS.
SO THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE VOLUME HERE, HERE, AND HERE.
DO THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEN THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, LIKE THE BJS, THAT SATURDAY IS TYPICALLY THE BUSIEST DAYS? THEY DO, YES.
THEY COLLECTED, THEY WENT OUT AT, TOOK SITE FIRST AND COLLECTED DATA FOR THESE MAJOR
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INTERSECTIONS.NOW IS THAT DURING COVID OR WAS THAT DURING, WHEN WAS THAT DATA COLLECTED? SO THEY HAVE PRE, SORRY, COVID DATA.
BUT ALSO NEW DATA TO COMPARE THE TWO AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE GROWTH RATE THAT'S EXPERIENCED IN THIS AREA.
SO OVER TIME, IF YOU EXPERIENCE TRAFFIC, YOU'LL RAISE IT BY A PERCENT OR SO, OR THE OVERALL TRAFFIC VOLUME.
SO IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THEY STUDIED PEAK HOURS, THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE LEAVING BJS AND WHAT THE, UH, AT DAYS THERE'S CHUCK CHEESE OVER THERE, THERE'S OFFICE MAPS, EVERYTHING IN THE, EVERYTHING IN ANYBODY LEAVING HERE IS IN THAT ASSESSMENT.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TAKE I'M, NO, I'M TALKING ON THIS SIDE.
WELL, BUT THEY DON'T ALL GO TO THE LIGHT, HUH? NO, I KNOW BJ SHOPPER HERE.
SO WHAT THEY COUNT IS WHEN IT'S GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC ROAD.
SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY COUNTING EVERY CAR THAT'S LEAVING BE'S PARKING LOT.
THEY'RE THEY'RE COLLECTING THAT CARD.
I GO THERE, I SHOP THERE AND I'M THINKING, WHAT'S THIS TRAFFIC GONNA DO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET OUT ON KINLEY RELIEF.
YOU GO TO RAYMORE FLA AND BUY SOMETHING I ALWAYS PULL OUT ON THROUGH HERE.
WELL, THERE'S A RESTAURANT GOING.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW AROUND THE OTHER WAY TOO.
KNOW, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S STUFF GOING IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN COME THROUGH HERE AND THEY DON'T ANY, NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THIS TRAFFIC.
WE BOUGHT THE HERE WHO BECAUSE GOT PROBLEMS WITH THE LIGHTS.
THEY, THEY COME TO, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY SEE IN YOUR STORE THE TRAFFIC GOING OUT TO KINDLEY IS COMING FROM HERE, NOT FROM HERE.
SO NOW YOU ARE GOING TO ADD FROM HERE TO THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S BAD ENOUGH WHEN PEOPLE PULL OUT HERE AND THEY TRY TO MAKE A LEFT BECAUSE YOU GOT PEOPLE OVER HERE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEAVE 'CAUSE IT SAYS NO LEFT AND THEY GO OUT, MAKE A LEFT.
SO I CAN JUST, I, I'M JUST REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED.
SO THE DATA THAT SRF GOES OUT ON ONSITE AND COLLECTS INCLUDES ALL OF THOSE TRIPS, RIGHT.
SO THEY KNOW HOW MANY TRIPS ARE EXISTING COMING THROUGH THIS POINT AND THIS POINT.
AND THEN THEY ADD THE CHICK-FIL-A VOLUME ON TOP OF THAT AND THEN
AND THAT'S HOW THEY DETERMINE WHAT'S KNOWN AS LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DO AN ACCIDENT HISTORY HERE FOR LIKE THREE OR FIVE YEAR RECORDS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ABNORMAL PATTERNS FOR ACCIDENTS.
THEY DO A GAP ANALYSIS STUDY TO SEE IF THERE'S ADEQUATE GAPS IN TRAFFIC, HOW LONG THOSE GAPS IN TRAFFIC ARE TO ALLOW VEHICLES TO EXIT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE VEHICLES CAN EXIT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
NO, I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEN YOU GOT AN EXIT CURVE TOO.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S HOW I GO OUT.
I, I GO THERE AND THEN SHOOT UP INDEPENDENTLY.
I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY GOING MILES TRIP BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, YOU GET STUCK IN HERE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE LIGHT.
IS THIS HERE THEN YOU HAVE SNOW ON TWO SIDES.
THAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR PROBLEM WHEN THAT, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR, THEIR EXIT.
BY THE WAY, I, I SOLVED THAT WHEN I GO TO THAT PLAZA, I DON'T GO ACROSS THE FRONT.
SO SILLY TO GO ACROSS THE FRONT.
THERE'S INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR TAKES TO PULL OUT OF A SITE.
THERE'S INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT THE COUNTY DPW REVIEWED AND THEY HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THIS INGRESS EGRESS OVER HERE.
NEW YORK STATE DOT HAS INDUSTRY STANDARDS OF WHAT TRIGGERS THEIR MAIN ATTENTION.
AND THAT'S USUALLY OVER A HUNDRED VEHICLE TRIPS PER PEAK HOUR.
WE'RE HALF THAT FOR ENTERING TRIPS.
SO WHAT THEY IS TOLD TO RIGHT, WE DIDN'T EXCEED THEIR STANDARD TRAFFIC.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THESE FIGURES MEAN.
I ONLY KNOW WHEN I DRIVE THERE WHAT I SEE AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I BASE IT ON.
YOU'VE GIVEN ME ALL THE DATA YOU WANT, HOW SAFE IT IS, HOW UNSAFE IT IS.
I'M THERE AND I SEE IT AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE TELLING ME.
PARDON? YOU CAN CALL ED AT THE DOT.
YOU, YOU DO HAVE, I'M CORRECT, YOU KNOW, TWO EXPERTS REVIEWING THIS.
YOU HAVE SOMETIMES YOU ONLY HAVE ONE EXPERT IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS TO DOT.
THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES REVIEWING THIS.
BUT YOU DO HAVE TWO EXPERTS REVIEWING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY FROM SRS PATH ASSOCIATES.
NEW YORK STATE, DOT IS WELL AWARE OF CHICK-FIL-A'S ROLLOUT ACROSS UPSTATE NEW YORK.
THEY KNOW THEY'VE HAD TROUBLE ELSEWHERE.
IF THIS WAS A BIG RED FLAG TO THEM, THEY'D BE REVIEWING IT.
OH THEY WOULD? WELL NO, THEY'D PROVIDE NEGATIVE CE.
SO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY DATA, THE ACCIDENT DATA IS FROM NOVEMBER, 2017 TO OCTOBER OF 2020.
IT'S THREE, USUALLY THREE YEARS OF FAR ACROSS.
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RIGHT.UM, BUT IS IT THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE RATE, IS THAT ALSO BASED ON THE EXACT SAME TIME PERIOD OR IS THAT LIKE A STANDARD RATE THAT'S USED? THAT'S A STANDARD RATE THAT'S USUALLY UPDATED ANNUALLY.
THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE FROM MARCH UNTIL OCTOBER THAT FALLS IN THAT PERIOD WHERE IT WAS PANDEMIC AND LIKE THERE WAS A GOOD COUPLE MONTHS WHERE JUST PEOPLE DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
WELL THAT PROBABLY IS NOT 2020.
THAT DATA USUALLY TAKES AT LEAST A YEAR TO CATCH UP.
IT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I BET YOU THAT'S 2019 OR EARLIER.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE THAT'S THE STUFF I'M WONDERING.
LIKE THAT'S, I HAVE ASK, BUT I BET YOU IT IS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I CATCH WHEN I'M READING IT.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, ARE WE COMPARING APPLES AND APPLES OR ARE WE COMPARING? 'CAUSE AND I KNOW IN THE PAST THIS STUFF, PROBABLY THE NUANCES OF THAT DIDN'T MATTER SO MUCH BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER A TIME PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE KIND OF CONFINED TO THEIR HOMES FOR TWO TO THREE MONTHS AND WE CAN'T GO ANYWHERE AND THE WORLD SHUT DOWN.
LIKE THIS IS UNIQUE, UH, IF
THEY HAVE TO ADJUST AND THAT'S, AND THEIR METHODOLOGY HAS TO BE ACCEPTED BY DOT AND AREA COUNTY DEPART DEPART.
STATEWIDE OF HOW TO, THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE TO, THOSE ADJUSTMENTS DUE TO COVID.
AND A THREE MONTH OVERLAP IS REALLY MINUSCULE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PAST THREE YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENT DATA AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT.
SARAH MENTIONING IT'S A UNSAFE CONDITION AT SOME POINT DURING THE DISCUSSION WE DO HAVE UM, SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.
THE PUBLIC HEARING'S NOT CLOSED.
SO THERE WILL BE A CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO.
ASK ME ALSO THIS RESIDENT HERE TO UM, ASK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY COULD GET US THE ACCIDENT REPORTS FROM THAT AREA OF MILES MCKINLEY.
'CAUSE THAT MILES TRIP MCKINLEY HAS A ACTUAL CRASH RATE OF 1.4 AND THE STATEWIDE DAMAGE ACCORDING TO SRF IS 0.54.
SO IT'S SO SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.
I DON'T HAVE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP US INTERPRET THOSE THINGS.
UM, AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO READ THE DATA, RIGHT, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.
I MEAN IF THE TYPICAL CRASH RATE IS THAT FOR AN INTERSECTION THAT HAS THAT MANY TRICKS.
NO, I DIDN'T ASK A TYPICAL CRASH RATE.
I ASKED FOR THE ACCIDENT REPORT.
WELL THEY, SO THEY'RE GONNA GET IT TO ME IN THE NEXT DAY.
THEY TOLD ME AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THEY NEED TO BE THEIR NV REPORTS THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHICK-FIL-A TO PRESENT US WITH THEIR TRAFFIC PLAN FOR GRAND OPENING, BUT ALSO WHEN THERE ARE LARGE EVENTS AT THEIR ARENA NEARBY, I KNOW, UM, OTHER RETAILERS NEARBY HAVE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PLANS IN PLACE WHEN THE LARGE EVENTS TAKE PLACE JUST BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THE COMMUNITY CHANGES DURING THOSE EVENTS.
I JUST WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT CHICK-FIL-A'S PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I THINK YOUR, YOUR GRAND OPENING PLAN IS PROBABLY FANTASTIC AND WELL THOUGHT OUT.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAVE EBBS AND FLOWS TO IT THOUGH, THAT WE CAN USE AND PUT IN PLACE WHEN WE HAVE MAJOR EVENTS AT THE ARENA AND WE HAVE MAJOR EVENTS GOING ON NEARBY THAT ARE GOING TO CREATE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
SO THOSE MAJOR EVENTS ARE NO DIFFERENT TO CHICK-FIL-A THAN THEY ARE THE REST OF THE, THE CORRIDOR HERE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN, IN OTHER RETAILERS THOUGH, HAVE TRAFFIC PLANS OF HOW THEY, LIKE THE GLOBAL GROCERY STORE CHANGES THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND HOW THEY LET TRAFFIC COME IN AND OUT OF THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS MAN ON THE GROUND OBSERVING WHAT'S GOING ON AND BEING ABLE TO ADJUST.
SO HAVING ONE PLAN IN PLACE THAT SAYS THIS IS GONNA BE A CATCHALL IS GONNA BE VERY HARD TO DO AT THIS POINT.
WE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, ON A PLAN SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER OF WHERE WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL STACKING.
HAS CHICK-FIL-A REACHED OUT TO THE HAMBURG POLICE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM AS TO WHAT THEIR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE IS GONNA BE OF WHAT MAYBE CHICK-FIL-A NEEDS TO BE PREPARED FOR COMING INTO THIS AREA? YEAH, SO THE GRAND OPENING TEAM, I, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THIS AT A LAST MEETING.
CHICK-FIL-A HAS A GRAND OPENING TEAM THAT IS ENGAGED ABOUT FOUR WEEKS BEFORE GRAND OPENING.
BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE ISSUES THAT AREN'T JUST GRAND OPENING.
LIKE YOU ARE REALLY CLOSE TO AN ARENA THAT WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS THERE, WE HAVE STATE POLICE AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS SURROUNDING AND ALL OF THE MAJOR FOOD RETAILERS IN THAT AREA GET HIT VERY HARD, WHICH IS AWESOME.
PEOPLE COME OUT, THEY SUPPORT THOSE RETAILERS, THEY POUR MONEY INTO 'EM.
BUT THOSE RETAILERS ALSO HAVE PLANS OF HOW TO MANAGE THAT NEW TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THAT UNIQUE DAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHICK-FIL-A REACH OUT AND SAY EITHER TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RETAILERS OR MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAMBURG POLICE, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A REALLY LONG TIME.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT DO YOU THINK OUR TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE AT THE GALLIA.
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GONNA SEE ATBUT AREN'T THEY GONNA SAY THAT'S MOSTLY AND DON'T TAKE THAT WAY DISRESPECTFUL? AREN'T THEY GONNA SAY IT'S MOSTLY BILL'S TRAFFIC AND I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S LIKE THE, IS IT OTHER EL JOHN? OKAY.
I MEAN I KNOW BILL AND OBVIOUSLY KIMBERLY, THEY DO LIKE, THEY DO CONCERTS THE ONE OFFS.
BUT THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE ROAD NETWORK CHANGES FOR THOSE.
AND THE, THE POLICE, THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE GONNA BE IN CONTROL.
I THINK THE SIMPLE SUGGESTION HOW TO HANDLE THE SIMPLE SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU HAVE A BRAND OPENING PLAN AND, AND YOU ADOPT THAT PLAN WHEN THERE'S LARGE EVENTS.
YOU GET EXCESS PEOPLE IN YOUR, IN YOUR FACILITY.
SO I WANT YOU TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND BE READY FOR THIS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE TIME, BUT IF THE WORDS OF THE DOT IN THE COUNTY, THERE'S NO PLAN YOU COULD PUT IN PLACE TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS WHEN 80,000 PEOPLE COME TO A STATE.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE FAIR.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, YOU GET OFF AT MILE STRIP, THEY CHANGE, GO DOWN MILE STRIP GOING, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SO LET'S TALK THROUGH THAT PLAN.
I THINK IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE STACKING ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
YOU'RE GONNA BE WRAPPING RIGHT GUESTS AROUND THIS PARKING LOT INTO THE DRIVE-THRU AND ISOLATING 'EM OUT HERE.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY THROW THAT ON PLAN AS YOU KNOW, OUR ANTICIPATED GRAND OPENING, UH, STRATEGIES, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FLEXIBLE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE MCKINLEY EXIT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST STRATEGY FOR IT IS FOR SURE.
UH, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE A MILE STRIP.
IF THERE'S AN EVENT AT THE STADIUM.
SO, AND IT'S HALF THE AVERAGE TRIPS ALREADY ON A REGULAR DAY.
SO PERHAPS THE INTEREST OF JUST MOVING THE DISCUSSION FORWARD, MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD PUT SOME OF THAT IN NOTES THAT WE COULD GET INTO THE, LIKE A, A MEMO OR SOMETHING SUMMARIZING THIS SORT OF APPROACH FOR THE FILE SO THAT WE HAVE FOR THE RECORD.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WHENEVER THE STADIUM'S GONNA HAVE AN EVENT, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN AIR STADIUM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A PILE OF SNOW.
SO THE MCKINLEY SECTION WILL BE CLEAR UNLESS IT'S A BUILT GAME.
DIDN'T THEY DO THE ICE? YES, THEY DID THE
SO WE CAN PREPARE FOR THE NEXT THING.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE READY TO PROVE THIS TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, DO YOU WANT AND WE STILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
DO YOU WANT SO I CAN GET ON THAT RIGHT AWAY TOMORROW? DO YOU WANT A OUTSIDE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT? ATTEND YOUR MEETING NEXT MEETING TO HELP YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS.
I'LL, I'LL GET SOMEONE TO COME TO THE MEETING.
CAN I ASK ABOUT OF THAT RS HOLD ON.
DREW SAID SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KIND OF TALKED OVER.
WHAT WAS THAT? THAT LAST THING YOU SAID DREW, RIGHT? THE HAVE TO PAPER THAT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA SAY CAN SRS COM THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANTS, AS I THINK SEAN POINTED OUT AT THE LAST TIME FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THEY WERE HERE FOR, THEY ACTUALLY WERE NOT ENTIRELY HELPFUL.
THAT'S SUCH A GOOD REPUTATION.
I MEAN, SO I I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SEND THAT THAT ON A VIRTUAL MEETING YOU DID.
RIGHT? WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE STILL NOT DOING IN PERSON MEETINGS.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM, SEE IF THEY CAN BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IF NOT, WE'LL SET UP SOME TYPE OF SITUATION TO WHERE THEY CAN CAN, WE DID INVITE THEM.
TO MAKE, I'D RATHER WHY THINK THAT'S BETTER.
LET'S, LET'S TRY THE, LET'S TRY HAVING THEIRS COME IN FIRST BEFORE WE TRY AND HIRE SOMEBODY FIRST.
WE'LL SEE HOW THAT ONE GOES AND MAKE A DECISION AND YEAH.
BUT CAN I, IS THERE ANYTHING, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS, IF ANY, THAT I KNOW THAT I CAN RELATE TO THEM IN ADVANCE SO WE KNOW THEY LOOK AT WHAT YOU WANT US WANT THEM TO LOOK AT BEFORE THEY COME.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, THAT'S, THAT DOCUMENT IS 112 PAGES AND I'VE READ IT THROUGH AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IT.
BUT I HAVE CAN THEY COMMENT AND JUST PROVIDE OVERVIEW OF THE, THE DETAILS OF YEAH.
SO WHAT I THINK SRF IN A GRAND OPENING SUMMARY, RIGHT? SO SRF IS GONNA FOCUS ON YOUR COMMENTS, I BELIEVE ABOUT CONCERNS IN AND OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
RIGHT? THEY CAN TALK THROUGH HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, PLAYS A ROLE INTO THE CONNECTIVITY OF OUR CENTER AND ALLEVIATES A LOT OF YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE WITH LEFT OUT HERE.
THEY CAN CERTAINLY TALK THROUGH THAT.
I'LL GO BACK TO CHICK-FIL-A AND GET THEM MORE ON THE GRAND OPENING STRATEGIES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE THE MASTERS AT GRAND OPENING.
THEY EXPERIENCE GRAND OPENINGS AND SURCHARGE AND GUESTS ACROSS 3000 OF THEIR STORES.
WELL, AND THIS CAN'T BE A LAKE FACILITY THAT'S WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF A NATIONAL SPORTS.
SO REACH OUT TO THOSE GUYS AND SAY, GUYS, WHAT DO YOU DO? YES.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT, THEY'RE JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH OVERFLOW CAPACITY ON SITE, IT'S GONNA BE EASY FOR THEM TO DEVELOP.
IT MAY BE WORTH TALKING TO THE POLICE TOO AND ASKING THEM HOW THEY RESTRICT, REACH THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BECAUSE YOUR PLAN MAY NOT, YOU MAY HAVE THIS GREAT PLAN IN PLACE AND WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE STADIUMS AND THEY SAY, YEAH, WE ONLY LET PEOPLE TURN RIGHT HERE, I KNOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S EXACTLY, IF YOU TALK TO 'EM, ASK 'EM, BE LIKE, GUYS, WHAT IS THE PLAN NORMALLY HERE SO WE CAN MAKE
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A PLAN THAT WORKS WITH YOUR PLAN.THAT'S WHY I DON'T EVEN WANNA MAKE A PLAN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THEY'RE GONNA CONTROL TRAFFIC FLOW HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY CLOSE THIS OUT, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU HAVE STAFFING IN THAT WHOLE SYSTEM READY.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IN OUR, OUR LIMITED EXPERIENCE, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING AFTER THE FIRST DAY OF SECOND BECAUSE THE SHERIFFS WERE THERE.
RIGHT? SO CHICK-FIL-A, SMOKEY BONES, RAYMORE AND FLANIGAN IN BURLINGTON ALL SAT DOWN TO AGREE ON THE BEST USE OF DRY VILES.
RIGHT? AND WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR US.
THEN THE SHERIFFS CAME AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? SO WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING WAS SAYING, WE WANNA CIRCULATE ALL BEHIND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
CHICK-FIL-A WAS HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE ANY AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ORGANIC.
SO I THINK EXACTLY THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING JUST CONTACT THE POLICE, TALK TO THE POLICE AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING.
THEY MAY TELL YOU THINGS THAT YOU WEREN'T EVEN THINKING 'CAUSE THEY'VE LIVED AT LOCKER AND THEY'RE GONNA WANT THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST ON THE FLY.
I KNOW THAT GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR GRAND OPENINGS, WE HAVE THESE GREAT PLANS IN PLACE.
NONE OF 'EM WORK, BUT AT LEAST GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM.
THEY'VE WORKED AFTER EVENTS AT THE ARENA.
THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT GETS SHUT DOWN, WHAT MOVES, WHAT, WHAT DOES TRY REACH OUT.
SO NOW THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS BEATING YOU DOWN OF TRAFFIC, CAN I ASK FOR SOMETHING REALLY EASY?
ARE YOU PROPOSING A FIELD TRIP, CAITLIN? I AM PROPOSING, LIKE WE HAVE WITH THE CELL TOWER IN THE BALLOON.
SEE LIKE WHERE THE CONES OR THE PARKING IS? SOME TYPE OF MARKINGS.
IT'D BE BETTER IF YOU COULD PAINT IT.
BECAUSE THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN PEOPLE GET OUT THERE.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA CONFUSE EXISTING CUSTOMERS.
RIGHT? NO, NO, I I DON'T MEAN THE WHOLE THING.
JUST LINE JUST AN X LIKE HERE'S THE TWO ENDS OF THE DRIVEWAY XS OR SOMETHING.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.
WELL WE CAN, WE CAN LOCK OFF THE WHOLE AREA FROM PARKING.
WE CAN SEND SARAH AN OVERLAY OF THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH AND SEE THE EXISTING.
WELL I WANNA DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT SO I CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT.
I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE.
BUT IF YOU HAD IT ON AN THAT YOU SEE WHERE THAT WAS? NO, I WANTED, NO, WE PLAN AGAIN AFTER THE, I I HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING IS I CAN SEND YOU A PLAN.
YOU THOUGHT THIS EASY TIM, THIS IS THE EASY GOTTA BACK ALBANY.
WE'LL GET YOU SOME I SIDEWALK.
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD AND WHEN WOULD GO, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK OFF WOULD BE GOOD.
WE'LL DO SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE.
WE HAD A MARK TREVOR'S GONNA STAND THERE WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, I STOOD OUT THERE AND IT'S HARD TO GET US SENSE OF HOW BIG IT IS.
ESPECIALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS EASY.
A LITTLE YELLOW SCRAPING THAT'S HERE.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR THAT.
SO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO COMMENT.
CAN WE LET THEM COMMENT IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, I THINK IS EVERY, EVERY READY FOR THAT YET NOW? UH, WE THINK YES.
SO, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IS NOT YET CLOSED.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK OR AGAINST GOT A MEETING CALLED THE CHICK-FIL-A DOGGIE? YEAH.
HEY GIE, MY NAME'S DOGGIE TRACY.
I LIVE AT 41 61 GLEN WILLOW DRIVE IN HAMBURG.
GETTING OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING IS DANGEROUS.
YOU PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO THINK HOW A HALF A MILLION PEOPLE ARE GONNA DRIVE EVERY DAY DOWN THIS ROADWAY.
THE CHICK-FIL-A ON WALDEN AVENUE RUNS LIKE A SWISS CLOCK.
A CHICK-FIL-A ON TRANSIT ROAD NEXT DOOR, A WEGMAN RUNS LIKE A SWISS CLOCK.
MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH SWISS FILEA WAS IN MANASSAS, VIRGINIA, WHERE MY BROTHER LIVED.
CHICK-FIL-A, CHICK-FIL-A RATHER WHERE OVER A MILLION PEOPLE TRAVELED ON THIS ROADWAY EVERY DAY AMONGST 40 OTHER RESTAURANTS.
THREE MAJOR SHOPPING MALLS NEAR A MILITARY BASE.
AND IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM OF GETTING IN AND OUT.
AND WE USED TO GO THERE EVERY DAY.
THE CHICK-FIL-A AND ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA ON A BUSY THOROUGHFARE, PEACH AVENUE PEACHTREE RATHER, ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT BEFORE AND ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT AFTER IT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A WEGMANS.
I GO THERE WHEN I PLAY GOLF, FOOTBALL GAMES AS A SEASON TICKET HOLDER.
I WAS ALWAYS IN A HURRY TO GET TO THE GAME IN THE MORNING TO MEET ALL MY FRIENDS IN THE PARKING LOT FOR TAILGATING.
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DEPENDING HOW THE BILLS DID.IF THEY WON, WE USED TO GO TO OUR FAVORITE LOCATION OR COME TO MY HOUSE.
'CAUSE I LIVED TO THE CLOSEST TO THE STADIUM AND WE LEFT RIGHT AWAY.
IF THE BILLS LOST OR WERE LOSING, PEOPLE GOT OUT OF TOWN REAL QUICK.
THERE'S A CHICK-FIL-A ABOUT THREE BLOCKS AWAY, ALMOST IN METROPOLITAN DOWNTOWN NASHVILLE.
THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM OF GETTING IN AND OUT.
I THINK IT'LL BE A BIG HELP TO RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN SKECHERS FOR PEOPLE COMING TO EAT LUNCH OR DINNER AND SAY, WHY DON'T WE GO TO RAVEN AND FLANAGAN? WE'RE THINKING ABOUT BUYING A NEW COUCH FOR, TO TAKE THE KIDS TO SKECHERS AND BUY NEW SNEAKERS.
AS FAR AS THE PANDEMIC, I DIDN'T SEE, THE ONLY TRAFFIC I SEEN LESS OF WERE SCHOOL BUSES.
I WAS OUT EVERY DAY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
I ALWAYS STAYED HOME THE FIRST THREE DAYS OF IT.
UM, TRAFFIC IS NEVER A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO SOMEWHERE, HOW AM I GONNA GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE? OR HOW AM I GOING TO NOT GET OUTTA HERE? MAYBE I SHOULD GO AT THREE O'CLOCK INSTEAD OF FIVE O'CLOCK.
IT'S ALL COMMON SENSE, COMMON SENSE.
EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS GOT COMMON SENSE, BUT DON'T TRY TO THINK HOW A MILLION PEOPLE OR 200,000 PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK ABOUT WHEN THEY GO TO CHICK-FIL-A.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? UH, ON THE CHICK-FIL-A PROJECT? YES, MR. MANKO, DAVID MANKO.
I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT CHICK-FIL-A.
I GO TO THEIR, MY EXPERIENCE AT CHICK-FIL-A WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
MY DAUGHTER TOLD ME ON A SATURDAY MORNING, WE'RE GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA.
I DROVE DOWN TO YOUR PLACE IN ERIE AND HAD MY FIRST CHICK-FIL-A.
BUT STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WENT TO THE ONE UP ON WALDEN AVENUE.
I'VE BEEN THERE AT BUSY TIMES, NON BUSY TIMES WITH MY KIDS.
IT'S IN AND OUT LIKE A SWISS WATCH.
AND EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE.
THEY DO HAVE SUPPORT PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOTS FROM TAKING YOUR ORDER TO GETTING YOU OUT, TO SHUFFLING YOU OUT IN THE TRAFFIC.
IT'S, I'VE BEEN THERE FOUR O'CLOCK, FIVE O'CLOCK, SIX O'CLOCK DURING CHRISTMAS TIME DURING THE GALLERY OF ALL TIMES.
THEY'RE REALLY AN ORGANIZED GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S SAY THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON CHICK-FIL-A? I AM SORRY.
NOT SEEING ANY NEW ONES ONLINE.
AND WE DID GET SOME COMMENTS BY EMAIL SINCE, UH, OUR LAST MEETING ON THIS.
AND THOSE WILL, I WON'T SUMMARIZE THEM 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY NINE O'CLOCK.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CHICK-FIL-A.
ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ON CHICK-FIL-A TONIGHT? WOULD YOU CONSIDER ASKING THE PLAINTIFF DEPARTMENT AT LEAST TO START A PREPARATION OF DRAFT RESOLUTIONS? DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO VOTE NEXT MEETING.
SO AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT PROCESS IS STARTED.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE A N END A SITE FIND RESOLUTION.
CAN THE POINTING DEPARTMENT PREPARE DRAFT PART TWO AND PART THREE? AND, AND LET'S START THERE.
AND I WAS GOING THROUGH PART TWO AND PART THREE RIGHT NOW PART TWO.
THE ONLY ISSUES YOU IDENTIFIED ARE TRAFFIC RELATED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES? I MEAN WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC FOR THE LAST 45 MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES? I MEAN IT'S AN EXISTING SITE, EXISTING PAVE SITE.
UM, SO I COULDN'T FIND ANY OTHER ISSUES.
BUT TRAFFIC IS A BIG, I'M NOT BUT I'M SAYING TRAFFIC IS THE ISSUE HERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER UM, THERE'S NO OVERLAY DISTRICTS WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR THIS PORTION OF THE TOWN.
THEY ALREADY HAD PROVIDED SOME TYPICAL RENDERINGS.
AND YOU ARE GONNA USE THE BRAND COLORS.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE.
I THINK WE HAVE THEM, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S ALL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT WAS NO NATURAL OR UNDEVELOPED LAND.
AND TAMMY WILL REVIEW THE ENGINEERING.
YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY, I'M GOING THROUGH THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION MATERIALS, RIGHT? YOU'RE BUILDING ON ON GRAVE SLAB.
AND IT'S ALL CONNECTING TO EXISTING WATER AND SEWER.
YOU DON'T NEED ANY SUBSTATION.
NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING SPACE.
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THE BUILDING? FIVE FEET.RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST OVER THE, ALMOST JUST OVER.
IT'S ALMOST A TWO TYPE TWO ACTION.
RIGHT? AND THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
ANY NEW LIGHTING IS DARK SKY FLY.
NOT THAT IT'S ALL DARK SKY FLY.
IT'S ALREADY ALREADY LOOKED LIKE CHRISTMAS TREE.
AND AGAIN, CAMMY'S ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALKS.
GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING WHETHER WE'RE NO, NO, NO.
WE HAVE THEM IN YOUR YEAH, WE HAVE THEM.
YOU HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUS STOP.
OVERALL THE ZONING COMPLIANCE SITE PLAN AND WE'RE INCREASING GREEN SPACE.
HAS THAT BEEN SINCE A CAB TO CONFIRM SPECIES LIST? AND YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY PLANTS ON A BURN? NO.
SHE PINE TREES ON THE BURN WITHOUT SOME SPOTS BY NOT THIS ONE.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IT IS DOWN TO TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY AND IT'S KNOWN PROPERLY, NO VARIANCES AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FOR THIS PORTION OF THE TOWN ARE STILL COMMERCIAL HIGH DENSITY, HIGH TRAFFIC.
SO WE KNOW THE ONLY ISSUE IS GONNA BE TRAFFIC.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTION PRESENTED FOR AUTHORIZING DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE EDF 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING PEOPLE WITH THE PRIMARY TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE ASK? I SAW THAT TO COME.
WE'LL ONCE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM BY VIDEO THING TOO.
AS LONG AS WE KNOW THAT'S, I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD, SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IF THEY ARE GONNA, OKAY, WE'LL HOPEFULLY WE'LL TRY AND GET THEM.
HE'S GONNA BE HERE ANYWAYS, RIGHT? WE'LL WORK SOMETHING OUT IF, OKAY.
I MEAN IF THEY'RE HERE IN PERSON, GREAT.
IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT, WE CAN FIGURE STUFF OUT IN THE PAST FOR ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT WAS COMING IN FROM CHARGES.
ALRIGHT, SO LET, LET'S JUST, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON 'EM, BUT LET'S PUT TOGETHER THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
PUT PART TWOS AND PART THREE TOGETHER.
YOU DOING PART TWO? THE SHORT AAF, RIGHT? YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE SHORT, SHORT EAF? IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE SHORTEST THING.
WE DON'T NEED TO NOT GONNA GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU DON'T NEED TO PART TWO OF THE FULL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SUBMITTED A FULL, JUST TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND IDENTIFY THEY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SHORT.
JUST TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION.
TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE YOUR ISSUE.
SO AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE SRF ATTEND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A LOCAL DEPUTY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THEY POLICE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR GRAND OPENING.
BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION, MAYBE THAT DETERMINES WHETHER WE'VE PULLED TOGETHER A PLAN NOW OR AT LEAST PROVIDE A LETTER AND THE RECORD OF HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE, UH, THE PEAK PERIOD.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH PARKING AND SNOW STORAGE AT THIS POINT.
AS LONG AS RAYMORE AND PLAN AGAIN IS IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SIGHT LINES WITH SNOW PILE THAT WE CAN TALK TO, SOMEBODY CAN CALL ON PLANE AGAIN AND THEY'LL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A BUSINESS PROTECTIVE RIGHT ON THE PLANS.
ON THE PLANS BUILDING THE SIDE OF THE THE BUILDING SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I'LL BRING MY, SHE AND HE WANTS KNOW, CALL THIS NUMBER.
IT GETS MORE SNOW IN SYRACUSE.
THEY GOT POUNDED THIS YEAR IN THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE CHICK-FIL-A TO JULY 7TH.
I I BILL YOU CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING VOTE? YEAH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANCO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
WHAT DO WE HAVE NEW SINCE OUR LAST TIME GOING OVER THIS, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE PREPARED AN UPDATED PART TWO OF THE F-D-A-A-F BASED ON THE LAST MEETING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF SARAH, SARAH, DID YOU PRINT PART TWO FOR EVERYBODY? SHE'S GONNA HAVE THAT UP.
WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PART TWO ALUMINUM BEFORE AND THIS NEW ONE MINOR? I STARTED FILLING IN SECTION 17.
OKAY, THIS ONE CONFIRM SECTION 18.
AND THEN WE TOOK A CRACK AT FILLING IN THE TABLE BASED ON THE GUIDANCE FROM DEC FOR PART THREE.
DID YOU GET MY UPDATED NOTE FROM THE, I PRINTED THE ONE FROM THE GOOGLE GUIDE.
WHAT MORE DO WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH TODAY ON
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THAT? I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE CAN RUN THROUGH THE DRAFT I HARD COPIES OF OUR PRELIMINARY.THIS IS PRELIMINARY FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, RIGHT OF PART THREE.
WE HAVE ONE FOR THE NEXT APPLICANT AS WELL.
PART THREE ABOUT DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE.
SO PART TWO IS JUST IDENTIFYING THE ISSUES.
PART THREE AND I CAN PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WANNA PULL IT UP, GOES THROUGH TRYING TO EVALUATE THE IMPACTS.
SO WE HAVE THAT ONE SUBJECT PLUS ANY UPDATES THAT MR. HOPKINS HAS.
LET'S DO THAT PART THREE THEN.
OKAY, SO PART TWO WE WENT THROUGH, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH PART TWO.
IS THIS, SO SARAH, THIS ISN'T THE LATEST VERSION.
WHAT? THERE'S A JUNE VERSION OF THIS.
WE GOT THE NEW ONE, RIGHT? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET A NEW ONE SO I DIDN'T GET NEW ONE.
I EMAILED YOU A NEW ONE LAST THURSDAY AND YOU ASKED IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO SEAN.
I THINK IT'S NOT VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE.
I'LL SEND IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO I REMOVED SOME HIGHLIGHTING AND FINISHED FILLING IN THE PART TWO.
WE'LL FORWARD THIS TO YOU SEAN.
HONOR THE, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE CHECKED.
THEY INCLUDE THE UM, JUNE 2ND YOU SAYING? NO, SHE SENT IT OUT JUNE 10TH.
I ONLY SENT IT TO SARAH AND JENNIFER.
BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MEETING RULES.
SO, BUT SARAH I THINK WAS GONNA DISTRIBUTE IT'S FINE AS LONG COPY.
SO ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES WAS SECTION 17 AND 18 WE HADN'T FILLED IN BEFORE AND SOME OF THE ONES WHERE WE HAD NO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
I CHECKED NO ON THE TOP SO IT'S GONNA, SO 17, LEMME PULL UP MY VERSION.
17 WE STARTED FILLING IN AND THE ONLY ONE THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD PRELIMINARILY TICKED YES ON.
WE HAD JUST DONE SOME PRELIMINARY FOLKS WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE INPUT TO SARAH.
WE DIDN'T GET ANY OTHER INPUT FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, 17 IS ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND ONE OF THEM IS ON THE CONSISTENCY WITH LOCAL LAND USE PLANS AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE 2007 UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THERE ARE COMMENTS IN THAT PLAN.
PAGE 42 OF THE PDF, NOT THE DOCUMENT NUMBER NOTES THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THE EXISTING EXISTENCE OF EXISTING VIABLE AGRICULTURAL USES.
AND THEN PAGE 49 OF THAT PLAN ALSO NOTES THAT ACTIVE AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND USES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT TO PRESERVING THE AESTHETIC QUALITY AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF THE TOWN.
A NUMBER OF VI UH, VITAL AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS REMAIN IN THE TOWN THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND PROMOTED.
SO THOSE WERE THINGS, SO WE HAD NOTED THAT THE IMPACTS TO THOSE LANDS WOULD OCCUR.
NO ONE'S DEBATING THAT THE AGRICULTURAL LAND WOULD BE GONE AND THAT WE CONSIDERED THAT TO BE A POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT 'CAUSE IT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
C WAS CHECKED MODERATE TO LARGE AND THE REST WERE NO OR SMALL.
UH, A WAS NO, I THINK WE HAD CHECKED NO TO SMALL B WAS DEFINITELY NO, NOT MORE THAN 5%.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D ASKED CHRIS FOR BEFORE WAS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO EVALUATE RELATIVE TO THE COUNTY, COUNTY PLAN, THE WATERFRONT, THE WATER STORM WATER PLAN.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE? WE TALKED ABOUT YOU.
I THOUGHT CAMMY AND CHRIS BOTH AGREED.
BASICALLY CAMMY PROVIDED US SOME COMMENTS.
WHICH SECTION ARE WE IN RIGHT NOW? KAILYN.
IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, THAT'S ALRIGHT.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE TRUMPS IT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL CATEGORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS AT THIS STAGE.
UM, 17 E WAS UM, I GUESS DEPENDENT ON HOW WE WANNA INTERPRET THE, UH, SORRY, 17 E WAS NO OR SMALL, RIGHT? F WAS NO OR SMALL G WAS I GUESS LIKELY NO
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TO SMALL.WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING UNDER H.
SO UNDER 18 A LOT OF THESE WE HAD PREDETERMINED THOUGHT WERE NO, THE PROPOSED ACTION MAY REPLACE OR ELIMINATE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
HISTORIC IMPORTANCE OF NO ADDITIONAL BAND FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE WAS NO OR SMALL.
THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL DEMAND BUT IT'S WITHIN THE BANDWIDTH OF THOSE SERVICES.
UH, WE'RE NOT DISPLACING ANY AFFORDABLE OR LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
D WAS NO OR SMALL E WAS NO OR SMALL AND F WAS NO OR SMALL FOR RINGO.
SO ON THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, 17 D SEEMS LIKE THE MOST, I MEAN 17 C.
SO THEN WHAT WE DID, AND I'LL JENNIFER CAN CIRCULATE THAT PART TWO AROUND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEC GUIDANCE ON THE WEBSITE FOR PART THREE OF THE WORKBOOK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SUGGEST IS TO DO A TABLE LOOKING AT EACH OF THE ITEMS FROM EACH OF THE QUESTIONS AND IDENTIFYING WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF IMPACT, THE DURATION OF IMPACT, THE LIKELIHOOD OF IMPACT, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPACT.
AND THEY HAVE THAT TEMPLATE ON THE DEC WEBSITE.
WE MADE ONE THAT LISTED THOSE THINGS OUT AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFIED, WE ADDED TWO MORE COLUMNS ON THE END WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE THINKING IT WAS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT OR CUMULATIVE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS CONTRIBUTING TO A CUMULATIVE IMPACT WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A CRACK AT FILLING IN THAT TABLE AND I CAN PASS THAT AROUND.
THIS IS NOT A DECISION, THIS IS NOT A FINAL, THIS IS JUST A, SO I CAN THANK YOU AND BOB, THANK YOU.
YOU WANT? YEAH, YOU WANT ONE? NO, NO THANK YOU.
I SHOULD SAY, SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND IF PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTS OR EDITS ON HOW WE FILLED IN ANY OF THESE TABLES, WE CAN ADJUST THAT ACCORDINGLY.
UM, THERE ARE DEFINITIONS NINE, I'M NOT GONNA PULL THEM UP, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITIONS FOR SOME OF THESE TERMS THAT ARE, THERE'S THREE PARTS ON THE DDC WEBSITE FOR COMPLETING THIS SECTION.
ONE INCLUDES DEFINING ALL THESE DIFFERENT TERMS AND HOW THEY PROVIDE SOME RELATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY DON'T ACTUALLY GIVE YOU ANY FORMULA TO COME UP WITH POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT, THAT'S SORT OF RELATIVELY SUBJECTIVE.
SOME OF THESE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO, UM, AREN'T GONNA CAUSE ANY CONTROVERSY.
WE DID ALSO WHERE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AS OF RIGHT AND CLUSTER, WE DID TRY TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT HAD BEEN FIRMLY ESTABLISHED AT OUR LAST MEETING IF WE WERE DOING THE SEEKER ON THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN OR ON THE CLUSTER.
SO WE NOTED WHERE THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE INTEREST OF EFFICIENCY.
SO THE ONES THAT WE HAD FLAGGED AS HAVING ANY POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'D WANNA WALK THROUGH HERE, UM, ARE THE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER.
AND WE DID NOTE THAT AS OF RIGHT PROBABLY HAS THE, A GREATER POTENTIAL FOR ADVERSE EFFECTS TO SURFACE WATER THAN THE CLUSTER BASED ON SOME OF THE NOTES YOU'LL SEE UNDER THE DURATION LIKELIHOOD COLUMNS.
I APOLOGIZE THE HEADERS ON THESE ROWS NOT TRANSFERRED ACROSS PAGES.
I GOT FRONT AND BACK, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON SURFACE WATER CONTINUE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE WAITING ON IS THE, THE DESIGN AND YOUR ARY AND BUFFER PLAN.
AND I WAITING THAT IF THE SITE PLAN WE WERE EVALUATING INCORPORATED THAT IN THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT HOW THE SIGNIFICANCE IS AND HOW THE, THE RE THE IS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON A FORMAL SUBMIT SITE PLAN.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT GOES THE SAME FOR THROUGH UH, SO THERE'S THREE H AND I AND THEN THREE ITEM JI THINK THAT APPLIES TO BOTH.
SO THAT, THAT ONE IS PENDING AFTER YOU GET YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN, I THINK THAT ADJUSTS.
WAIT, THAT'S HINJ YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS WILL BE EASIER TO LOOK AT AFTER YOU STAPLE, UM, ITEM EIGHT AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
THAT'S AN IRRETRIEVABLE PERMANENT IMPACT THAT WE HAD FLAGGED AS FAIRLY IMPORTANT PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION
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THAT THAT DOES RENDER ITSELF AS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION AND WE WANT INPUT FROM THE REST OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DISAGREE.
THAT WAS THE HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES SIGNED OFF.
SKIP THE ONE NO SIGNIFICANCE WAS YES, 13 IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION THAT THERE WAS A DEGRADATION OF SERVICE.
UM, SO THAT WAS FLAGGED AS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY 17, THAT CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH I HAD NOTED BEFORE, HOW WE HAD, I HAD RENDERED THAT AS MUCH AS SIGNIFICANT.
SO WE IDENTIFIED AS LONG AS NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 18 IN CHARACTER, THREE ISSUES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE DESIGN CHANGES ARE GONNA ADDRESS.
SO AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, TRANSPORTATION AND CONSISTENCY OF A COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND THEN IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER IS PENDING THE DESIGN CHANGES.
SO THEN WOULD THE NEXT STEP IN THE BOARD'S OPINION BE, NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS, PREPARE A RESPONSE TO THOSE THREE COMMENTS? LEMME JUST ASKING, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M ASKING IF, IF THE BOARD AGREES WITH WHAT WE, OKAY.
STEP OR IF BILL OR IF THE JURY HAS ANY OVERRIDING COMMENT I MENTIONED LAST MINUTE.
I BRING UP, AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN AGRICULTURAL IMPACT.
50 ACRES OF ISOLATED LAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN IMPACTED.
IT REACHES NO THRESHOLD OTHER THAN THE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
IT'S 10 ACRES, NOT IN THE AG DISTRICT.
WE DID THE AGRICULTURAL, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CALL OUT THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE AGRICULTURAL PARCELS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU LOOK FURTHER IN THE PLAN ARE THE AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, THERE'S ONLY TWO ISOLATED AGRICULTURAL PIECES LEFT IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN.
AND THEY'RE SMALL, THEY'RE NOT VIABLE FARMLAND, THEY'RE 50 ACRES OF LAND.
SO JUST TO SAY YOU I WAS, I MEAN, I MEAN ALL I WOULD SAY IS, YEAH, I JUST TELLING YOU THAT THERE ARE FARMERS WHO OPERATE A FULL BUSINESS ON WESTLAND THAN NEVADA.
I MEAN, I WHAT'S THAT? THERE ARE FARMERS WHO OPERATE A FULL VIABLE COMMUNITY SCALE FARMING BUSINESS, BUT OKAY, IF WE PO A DECK ON THAT POINT, I'M JUST GIVING YOU, I'M GIVING YOU THE ISSUES.
I'VE DONE AGRICULTURAL BEFORE.
WHAT MITIGATIONS COULD PASS, HAVE A PROTECTION PLAN.
IT'S AN ISOLATED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN YOUR EVALUATION IS AN ISOLATED PIECE OF PROPERTY OF 50 ACRES.
AND IT'S 35 ACRES, 35, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS THE COMP PLAN, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THE AREA, MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS COMP PLAN IS THAT THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TOWN OR SOME ISOLATE.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON SOME OF IT, WHICH IS WHY I'M, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN AND I'M ASKING FOR THEIR, I WAS HOPING DOUG WOULD BE HERE TO PROVIDE HIS INPUT.
BUT IT ALSO, THE CHALLENGE WITH THE 2007 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS THAT THINGS ARE VAGUE.
IT IS NOT, WE PULLED THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD.
THOSE ARE THE QUOTES FROM THE PLAN.
IF THERE ARE, I'VE ASKED THE REST OF THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN AND TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS TO PROVIDE THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'M SURE SEAN WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE US A REBUTTAL ON HIS INTERPRETATION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
SO I, I WOULD ASK THE REST OF THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AS FAR AS THE AGRICULTURAL IMPACT.
IT IS FARMLAND THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THE PLAIN LANGUAGE IS, IS YES.
NOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE DECK, AND TO ME WHERE MY DECISION ON THAT WOULD COME DOWN IS GONNA BE MITIGATION.
AND THAT'S WHY I, I ASK LIKE WHAT KIND OF MITIGATIONS? SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR.
IF WE THINK THAT THE IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE THINK THE MITIGATION IS.
I THINK THAT IF THERE, IF WE DETERMINE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU PREDETERMINED WHAT YOU THINK MITIGATION IS, I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WELL, WHAT WOULD BE ALTERNATIVE WE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES ANYWAY.
BUT IF YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
BUT, BUT IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IN A PARTICULAR WAY? NO.
I'M SAYING NECESSARILY, BUT SO I SAY IT'S AN IMPACT AND IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT IMPACT, I HAVE ALSO ASKED THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF, WELL, I WAS WAITING TO GET THIS, THIS IS WHAT I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO, SO I WANT TO GET THE FINAL VERSIONS OF RESPONDENT ONCE.
BUT WE'VE ASKED FOR INPUT AND RECOMMENDATION ON CYCLING.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, AND I, DREW AND I ARE GONNA DISAGREE, BUT I WANT, I DREW, WE KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AND WE KNOW THAT YOU AND I DON'T AGREE, BUT I WANNA HEAR FROM, SO WE'RE FAR ENOUGH ALONG THAT WE CAN SAY NOW THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO WHAT WE'VE DONE AS FAR AS PART TWO AND THREE.
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QUESTION IS TO THE BOARD.WHAT OTHER COMMENTS DO YOU GUYS HAVE? PARTICULARLY WHAT YES.
AND I, I ASKED HIM AT THE LAST MEETING, HE DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING, BUT BOB, YOU'RE HERE, BILL, YOU'RE HERE.
DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THESE THINGS THAT WHAT'S HERE? AND WHAT ARE THE INPUTS? BECAUSE WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACTS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT IS A FIELD AND YOU BUILD SOMETHING, THERE ARE IMPACTS.
I MEAN, THE IMPACTS ARE, ARE WHERE YOU GUYS POINT THEM OUT TO USE SURFACE WATER AND YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S A FIELD AND YOU PUT IN BUILDINGS AND STREETS, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT SURFACE WATER.
UM, THE AGRICULTURAL, THAT THAT'S AN IMPACT.
YOU'RE CHANGING IT AND IT'S NOW, IT'S NOT GONNA GO BACK TO AGRICULTURAL AFTER THIS IS DONE.
UM, WHAT WAS 14 TRAFFIC? 13 0 17.
I MEAN, IT HAVE 14 IMPACT ON ENERGY AS IT, A SMALL IMPACT DON'T BE 17.
AND THAT ONE'S, EVERY, EVERYTHING WE DO IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO FROM A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW, A LOT OF THOSE SURFACE WATER AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THAT'S AN IMPACT ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE REVIEW.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NOT ON ANY OF THEM.
UM, THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROCESS DO WE DO USE TO ADDRESS THAT? AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT STEP.
AND BUT ARE THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS? YEAH, OF COURSE.
WELL, SO THE, THE POINT OF PART THREE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN IMPACT.
PART THREE IS DO WE CONSIDER THOSE IMPACTS TO BE SIGNIFICANT? SIGNIFICANT AND WHAT'S YOUR REASONING AND WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT? AND IF WE SAY YES, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT, THEN WHAT'S WHAT WE DO NEXT? YOU HAVE TO, AND WHAT I BELIEVE PASSED PAST ADVICE IS I SEE THERE'S THREE OPTIONS THAT YOU NEED A MAG DECK PROJECT, YOU PAUSE DECK PROJECT, OR YOU CAN HAVE A CONDITIONAL MEG DECK.
AND WE DO NOT RECOMMEND AND NEVER DO THE CONDITIONAL PROJECT.
AND THEY WOULD AMEND THE PLAN TO, THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.
THEY WOULD AMEND THE PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, SOME OF THESE ARE, ARE ONES THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK.
I'M JUST SAYING AGRICULTURAL LAND, IF IT WAS A ZONED RA RIGHT.
WHICH IS NOT AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL LAND, THERE'S AN OPTION.
LET'S HOLD THIS FIGHT FOR WITH 35 ACRES OF FARMLAND.
HOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU.
HOW WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO AGRICULTURAL IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL? I DIDN'T SAY THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
BACK TO THAT'S KIND MY QUESTION DROPS IS WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO AGRICULTURAL IN THE COMMUNITY, AGRICULTURAL, AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS.
DOES IT AFFECT OTHER AGRICULTURAL LAND? DOES IT AFFECT THE IT'S PERMIT, THE ABILITY TO AGRI? IT'S A, IT'S A LOSS.
AND I KNOW IN YOUR HEAD YOU'RE PICTURING THE GENESEE COUNTY THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF LAND.
BUT I ALSO, BUT I ALSO KNOW PEOPLE, I'M, LET ME FINISH REBUTTING DREW.
I KNOW PEOPLE, BUT I WANT YOU TO ARGUE WITH DREW AT A DIFFERENT DAY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY NINE 30.
AND WE, ANOTHER THING ON THE THING, AND THEY'RE GONNA DO, THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT SOME RESPONSES AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ARGUE WITH DREW AGAIN ON THE RESPONSES.
SO LET'S JUST NO, I'M GONNA ARGUE WITH SEAN ON THE, WE PROBABLY, OKAY.
BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING IS, IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE COMMERCIALLY VIABLE FARMS ON FAR FEWER THAN 35 ACRES.
BUT IT'S NOT A COMMERCIALLY VIABLE FARM TODAY, THOUGH, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IT'S NOT, IT'S BEING LEASED 30 BASICALLY AT NO COST POINTED OUT MANY TIMES THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
I CAN GIVE YOU SOME, CAN YOU SAY ONE THING? IF I WAS TO BUY THIS AND TURN IT INTO A FARM, IT COULD NOT SUPPORT ITS DEBT.
I RAN A DAIRY FARM IN WYOMING COUNTY.
FARMING IS THE NON-PROFITABLE BUSINESS.
IF I BUY THIS LAND FOR A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS AND TURN IT INTO A FARM, HOW MUCH, WHAT COULD I PRODUCE ON IT THAT'S GONNA MAKE ME JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST AND THE PRINCIPAL ON THE LAND, THE LAND CANNOT GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE I AM SAYING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S THE, LET US RESPOND.
LET'S, LET'S HAVE THEM RESPOND AND, AND THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE DECIDE WHETHER IT'S A, SO NOW I THINK RIGHT, WE HAVE A DRAFT OF A PART TWO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO.
YOU GUYS SPENT TIME CLARIFYING WHAT THE TOPICS WERE.
JEN, DID YOU SEND HIM THE UPDATED PART TWO? I DID.
OH, CAN I JUST, I JUST WANT TO HAND OUT ONE THEN.
SO YOU HAVE, SO, AND WE WENT OVER THIS LAST TIME, BUT UM, WE SHOWED IT ON FULL ON THE BOARDS.
SO THESE ARE THOSE FOUR LOT LAYOUT PLANS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO 'EM TONIGHT.
CHRIS ADDED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN ALL SETBACKS.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, LET'S SPEND SOME TIME ON
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THIS IN TWO WEEKS.BUT THIS WAS PREPARED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT UNDER THE CLUSTERING ALTERNATIVE, WHICH AGAIN IS OUR PROPOSAL WITH THE MINIMUM BLOCK SIZE OR APPROXIMATELY 10,500 SQUARE FEET, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN STILL FIT AMPLE SIZE HOMES, COMPLY WITH FRONT YARD SETBACK, SIDE YARD SETBACKS, REAR YARD SETBACKS, PROVIDE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, AND THEN HAVE AMPLE BACKYARD FOR POOL PATIOS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
HAS SARAH SHARED WITH YOU THE COMMENTS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD GOT FROM ROGER ABOUT SETBACKS? NO.
DO WE WANNA SHARE THOSE? I MEAN, DID WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE? THAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT CAME IN.
ROGER PROVIDED SOME, UM, HE THINKS THAT HE, HE, HE FEELS THAT THE SETBACKS FOR THIS CLUSTER SHOULD BE EQUAL TO THE R TWO CLUSTER.
BECAUSE THIS IS CLOSE TO AN R TWO SUBJECT.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT FORWARD.
AND I ALSO WANT PUT ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE MARK
HE'S BEEN TALKING TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT HOW MAYBE HE SHOULD DO THE OPEN SPACE IN THIS PLAN.
SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT MARK SAID HE WAS TALKING TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT HIS IDEAS FOR HOW THEY SHOULD USE THE OPEN SPACE.
IT SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD THAT THAT INFORMATION IS BEING PROVIDED.
BUT I DON'T THINK, AGAIN, GIVEN THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS, I'M NOT GONNA OPEN UP THESE PLANS.
WE WENT OVER THE LOT AT THE LAST MEETING.
THEY WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD FULL COPIES.
AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING TO THE RIGHT HEARING CORRIDOR.
NO, THESE ARE JUST THE, THE SAMPLE LOT DISPLAY PLANS.
REMEMBER SHOWING FOUR DIFFERENT HOME TYPES DRIVEWAYS.
CHRIS ADDED SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SOME MORE DIMENSIONS.
SO I THINK YOU'LL FIND 'EM IN FORWARD, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME TODAY.
I FORWARDED YOU THAT EMAIL AND SARAH FORWARDED ME THAT EMAIL.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE, AND I, AND I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WANNA MAKE IS WE'RE, WE'RE STILL OUR STRONG PREFERENCE AND I THINK THE NEARBY PROCTER HAS HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS MEETING WITH US.
WE STILL WANNA EXPRESS OUR STRONG PREFERENCE FOR CLUSTERING.
AND I DO THINK IF YOU LOOK AT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OVERALL ACROSS THE BOARD IN TERMS OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, GREEN SPACE CLUSTERING IS DEFINITELY THE WAY.
SO I THINK, I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S USED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS RIGHT.
THAT REFLECTS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE CLUSTERING LEADERS UNDERSTAND OUR, OUR PROPOSAL IS STILL STRONG PREFERENCE FOR MM-HMM
AND REMEMBER, UNTIL WE GET THAT RESOLVED, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO OUR FULL ENGINEER PLANS.
JUST WANNA KEEP THAT POINT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHEN CHRIS IS REALLY GONNA SPEND THE TIME AND MONEY TO REALLY DEVELOP FULL SETS OF PLANS.
SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE POINT YARD SET BACK OF 30 FEET MEANS FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE UNTIL THE HOUSE IS 30 FEET, RIGHT, THE YARD, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THE HOUSE WILL END AND THERE'LL BE SEVEN AND A HALF FEET UNTIL WE HIT THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN THE BACKYARD FROM THE BACK DOOR OF THE HOUSE OR THE BACK PIECE OF THE FURTHEST OUTREACHING BACK PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'LL BE 25 FEET UNTIL YOU HEAD TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER YOUR CLUSTERING PROVISIONS IS 25.
BUT IF YOU SEE THESE VERY HA VARIOUS HOUSES, AND THESE ARE DECENT SIZED HOUSES, THEY HAVE SETBACKS OF 58 FEET, 52 FEET, 56 FEET, AND 51 FEET.
SO I MEAN, IS THERE, I GUESS WE'D BE ONE TO CONSIDER A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IT DOES LEAVE US A PRETTY BIG BOX WHERE YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE.
CAN YOU SHARE WITH US OR EMAIL US WHAT THE YES.
MINIMUM SETBACKS WOULD ACTUALLY BE.
WHAT WE WOULD, BASED ON WHAT YOU, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE.
WHAT THE BIGGEST HOUSE ON THE SMALLEST LAB WOULD RESULT IN.
BUT RATHER THAT, I'M JUST GONNA PROPOSE THAT ON THE DRAWING.
SO CHRIS ALREADY HAS THAT, HE SHOWED IT THE LAST MEETING.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE LITERALLY, YOU'D BUILD IN THAT WHOLE FOOTPRINT.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE A REALLY, REALLY BIG HOUSE.
I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IS, SO WHILE THE CODE MAY SAY MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK OF 25 FEET ARE, WILL, ARE WE WILLING TO AGREE TO A LITTLE MORE? I MEAN THAT WOULD LITERALLY TAKE THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD MAKE A FOOTPRINT OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS MORE, RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT, I'M LOOKING AT LIKE THE RY REQUIREMENTS AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MINIMUMS HERE AND I'M WONDERING IS IT AN UNDUE BURDEN WE'RE ASKING OF YOU.
LIKE THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING, OKAY, WHAT IS THE, THE BIGGEST HOUSE IN YOUR PLAN, WHAT YOU PLAN ON PUTTING IN THERE.
WITH ALL THE BELLS, THE WHISTLES, THE BUMP OUTS, EVERYTHING.
PUT IT ON AND THEN PUT IT ON THE TINIEST LOT YOU HAVE, JUST SO WE KNOW.
DIDN'T SHOW US THAT LAST TIME.
WELL, HE DIDN'T TAKE IT LARGEST HOUSE ON THE SMALL, WELL HE TOOK THE BIG, HE
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TOOK THE BIGGEST HOUSE THAT HE WOULD ENVISION BASED ON ONE HOME BUILDER THAT WE'RE TALKING TO.BUT REMEMBER WE MADE IT CLEAR AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREED, WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY AGREE TO MAXIMUM SIZE HOUSES ON THESE LOTS.
I THINK HOW WE WANNA RESTRICT THEM IS WITH SETBACKS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MEGAN'S ASKING FOR NOW AND WHAT, SO I THINK WHAT MEGAN'S ASKING IS IF WE HAD A BIGGER HOUSE, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH THOSE STEPBACK BIGGER HOUSE, RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
NO, I'M ASKING LIKE WHATEVER MR. UM, MANKO WAS PLANNING ON PUTTING IN, IF I TOOK THE SMALLEST LOT PER FOOTAGE WAS YES.
AND I TOOK MY BIGGEST HOUSE OF DESIGN AND PUT EVERY BUILDING WAS, BUT WE KNOW DAVE ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT THE BIGGEST HOUSE WOULD BE.
OR WOULD YOU RATHER BE, YOU'D RATHER BE BASED ON SETBACKS? WELL, IF HE CAN, IT'LL BE BASED ON SETBACK.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA RESTRICT HIM TO THE POINT WHERE HE CAN'T BUILD WHAT HE'S WANTING.
BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE SEVEN AND A HALF FEET FROM THE FRONT LINE RIGHT.
WITH THE TOWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT'S FROM THE GUTTER LINE.
IT CAN'T BE EXCEED MORE THAN SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.
I WENT AND LOOKED AT SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE THAT CLOSE TO GUTTER PROXIMITY TO ONE HOUR.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET IN OUR HEAD BECAUSE I THINK YOU WERE HERE AT A MEETING YEAH.
WHERE WE HAVE A CLUSTER THAT LIKE LAID BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND I DON'T WANT YOUR PROJECT.
I DON'T WANT TO, THAT WAS A CLUSTER AFTER WHICH ME ENJOY DISCUSSING THINGS WITH YOU.
WE DON'T WANNA DISCUSS THINGS WITH YOU FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
SO WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW IS, UM, THESE LOTS ARE THAT I'M BUILDING RIGHT NOW ARE 7,800 SQUARE FEET PLOTS.
SO WE JUST WANNA SET YOU UP FOR SUCCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS ATTAINABLE TO YOU, BUT ALSO GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND, AND THROUGH THE CLUSTER, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN SET, THOSE ARE MINIMUM SETBACKS, RIGHT.
YOU CAN SET THIS, YOU CAN CHANGE THOSE SETBACKS AND MAKE A REQUIREMENT AND DO THAT BASED UPON THE LOCK LAYOUT.
AND I THINK ANOTHER, THEY ARE OFFERING THE MINIMUM.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO SET IT AT 50 FOOT THE REAR YARD SETBACK, YOU CAN SET THE, AND THAT'S WHAT ROGERS ASKED, SET THOSE MINIMUMS. HE'S ASKED FOR LARGER SIDE YARDS, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA MAKE THAT DECISION.
HE'S ASKED FOR LARGER SIDE YARDS AND NOW, AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE THAT REQUEST TO THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT WILL RESPOND.
HE'S GOTTA REVIEW THE CORRESPONDENCE.
THEY WOULD LIKE LARGER SIDE YARD SET BACK, SET ON.
AND THEY MAY SAY THAT THAT'S FINE OR THEY MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PROPOSAL, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE LOOK AT IT.
THESE NUMBERS AREN'T STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT NO, THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO SIT HERE, KNOW THE SIDE YARDS ARE GONNA BE FROM, BUT LET'S LOOK AT IT.
AND THE REAR YARDS NICE BECAUSE ROGER SAYS WITH THESE BIGGER LOTS, HE WANTS HAD THE BIGGER REAR YARD SETBACK SO THEY CAN SET STRUCTURES BACK THERE.
THAT I'M PRETTY SURE WE, ROGERS TOLD ME TWICE THIS WEEK THAT HE HAS NO ISSUES WITH THE REAR YARD SIDE.
THE, THE DISTANCE FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE IS, IS CLIMBING HIS, HIS CONCERN IS SIDE YARDS MOSTLY.
ONCE WE, WE GOT, WE DON'T, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE LOOK AT IT.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO TOMORROW? TWO, THREE, TOMORROW.
UM, WE'LL HAVE THE SUBMISSION READY BY NEXT FRIDAY.
I THINK YOU HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK TOO, DON, BY THE MONTH PROBABLY.
DO WE HAVE EXTRA WEEK? THE NEXT MEETING'S? JULY 7TH.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MANKO TO JULY 7TH.
FINALIZING THE AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIGTREE ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R ONE, R THREE.
NOW AM I RIGHT IN ASSUMING THAT PART THREE OF THE A F ON THE WETZEL PROJECT IS GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO PART THREE WAS ON IN MANCO? NO, BUT FOR THE IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL LAND, DID YOU? NO.
DID YOU WANT THE PART TWO THAT I'VE MADE COPIES OF THIS ONE TOO.
I'LL SAY ANYWHERE YOU RESPONDED TO IT.
IT MUST HAVE GOTTEN LOST IN MY, I KNOW.
A LARGER IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
SO AGAIN, AND THE LARGER IMPACT, UH, SO THIS ONE, UH, THREE IN FACT ON SURFACE WATER HAS THE SAME CONCERN.
BUT WE DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL ITEM FROM THREE SURFACE WATER ON HERE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL DREDGED.
THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST OVER THE THRESHOLD BUT NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND WE DID, WE SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM CHRIS.
I GOT THE NUMBER AND IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.
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THE AREAS OF CONCERN ON THIS ONE THAT ARE DIFFERENT ARE ITEMS SEVEN, WHICH IS THE IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS BECAUSE THERE'S OVER 10 ACRES OF LAND THAT'S GONNA BE CONVERTED FROM FORESTED LAND, UM, WHICH TRIGGERED THE THRESHOLD, BUT IT'S ALSO A LONG TERM BIG AREA THAT IS AROUND THE ROUGH CREEK WATERSHED AND DRAINAGE.SO SEVEN IS IN THERE FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO.
WE FLAGS THAT AS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.
ITEM 11 ON PART TWO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE SUB ITEMS A HAS TO DO WITH NATURAL ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS AND THEIR SUPPORT.
WE FLAG THAT IS A MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT WITH YES.
THAT TIES SEVEN AND 11 ARE LINKED.
DOES ANYONE ELSE THAT YAY A FI JUST HAVE THE, THE, THE SUMMARY.
OH, SHE CAN GIVE YOU BUT THAT'S THE OLD SECOND.
SORRY, I DIDN'T PRINT OUT THE NEW ONES.
CAN YOU EMAIL IT TO ME? I DID.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, YOU SAID 11 A 11 A HAS TO DO WITH NATURAL ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE SITE.
SO SEVEN AND 11 ARE KIND OF LINKED TO THE SAME FOUR CHAINS.
13 IS FLAGGED AS YES, WITH THE, THE GRADE IN SERVICE.
I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE'D ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHO YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME FOLLOW UP ON HOW THE INTERSECTION CITING AND SITE LINES AND YEAH, WE'RE WAITING FOR INPUT.
REMEMBER WE GOT RID OF ONE OF OUR CURB CUTS ONTO BIG TREE.
WE'RE WAITING FOR INPUT FROM DT.
WE HAD IDENTIFIED AS OVER THE NUMBER BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, READING AND COOLING, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEN 17 IS NOT CONSISTENT 'CAUSE THE REQUIRES ARE REZONING, PERMANENT REZONING TO THE PARCEL.
SO THAT RELATED TO ITEM 17 C AND THEN 18 HAS, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT AS A MODERATE IMPACT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT QUESTION 18 ON PART TWO, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT 18 F UH, 18 F IS PROPOSED ACTION AS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NATURAL LANDSCAPE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS FOR BOB AND BILL WHO ARE HERE, WHAT DO YOU ARE, ARE THERE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGED OR THAT YOU WOULD DISAGREE WITH BASED ON YOUR REVIEWS OF PART TWO AS PREVIOUSLY CIRCULATED? OR THOUGHTS ON THE OVERALL PROJECTS? THESE ARE LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME TO THOSE.
ANY CONCERNS ON THESE ONES? YEAH.
UM, IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
A, IT'S A COMMON MISTAKE MADE IS RELATE TO IF YOU HAVE DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE IN, IN A PLAN THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN, THEN YOU WOULD GO TO QUESTION A IS THAT, ARE YOU IMPACTING ECOSYSTEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OPEN SPACE? IT'S NOT SUCH A GENERAL OPEN SPACE.
SO THIS QUESTION I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE REST 'EM I AGREE WITH THIS ONE IS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IF IT'S DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE, IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES THAT ARE AFFECTING THAT DESIGNATION.
IT HAS TO BE AN ADOPTED MUNICIPAL OPEN SPACE PLAN, RIGHT? ADOPTED OPEN SPACE PLAN.
THIS IS NOT DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE IN, IN THE TOWN'S, IN THE TOWN'S PLAN.
SO YES, I WOULD AGREE IF IT WAS DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE, YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE THE ECOSYSTEM THAT PROTECTS THAT OPEN SPACE AND WHATEVER.
YES BECAUSE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL TRAIL THAT OR THE, THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL.
IT REALLY WAS NOT ABOUT DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE.
THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IS THIS ONE IS A COMMON MISTAKE MADE IS THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT SOME IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE FROM, FROM, FROM FROM DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT IS AMBIGUOUSLY WORDED ON PART TWO ALL.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AMBIGUOUSLY WORDED.
WE TRIED TO FIX PART TWO, THE AF BECAUSE THEY'RE COMMON MISTAKES THAT ARE MADE.
SO, SO AGAIN, ALL WE DID CONSULT JENNIFER ABOUT WHAT COUNTED IT AS OPEN SPACE OR NOT.
SO WE SHOULD PERHAPS PROVIDE SOME BACKUP ON THE FORMAL DEFINITION WHERE WE'RE PULLING THE DEFINITION OF OPEN SPACE FROM FOR OUR ANALYSIS.
IT SAYS RIGHT IN THE QUESTION IT'S DESIGNATED IN A, IN A PLAN.
SO DO YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT DESIGNATES THIS IMPORTANT OPEN SPACE? SO DO WE HAVE A PLAN THAT'S DESIGNATED NOT OPEN SPACE? IT SAYS ADOPTED, RIGHT? ADOPTED THE TOWN HAS AN ADOPTED OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE PLAN.
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THIS IS WHAT SEAN AND I ASKED FOR LAST TIME TOO.YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FIND YOUR HARD COPY AND BRING SEAN AND I YOUR CARD.
I WILL SEND YOU THE HARD COPY AND ACTUALLY NO THE MAPS ARE, MAPS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU GO ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THOSE, THAT PEN AS THE MAPS, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WHOLE PLAN BUT IT HAS THE MAPS SHOWING THE GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE AS I'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE TOWN 35 YEARS AGO IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I'D LIKE TO SEE MY THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SEAN AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY OF YOUR OFFICE.
THE THE, THE MAPS ARE VERY HARD.
I MEAN I WANNA SEE IT'S VERY HARD TO INTERPRET OR UNDERSTAND THE MAPS SO THAT THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAN, RIGHT? NO, NOT SARAH SAID SHE'LL CHECK OLD.
SO IT'S THAT THAT'S ONE TO BE DISCUSSED FOR A BIT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNATED ON THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORKBOOK THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY OF, AND PLUS THERE WAS OH THAT SO WE CAN ADJUST.
THIS IS JUST A PLAN TO FEMALE IN THE FORMAL RULING ON DEFINITION IS RIGHT.
THIS IS A TOUGH ONE 'CAUSE IT'S A REZONING.
SO CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, ALL THOSE THINGS REALLY COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING LAND.
YOU'RE CH CHANGING THE PLAN OF THE TOWN.
BASICALLY THIS WAS THE PLAN OF THE TOWN AND IS IT, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT THAT WE'RE CHANGING THAT DIRECTION, THAT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA ARGUE THAT IT'S A DOWN ZONING, IT'S FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY AND AND REFER TO THINGS.
IT'S A DOWN ZONING, IT'S STILL DIFFERENT.
THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PARCEL THOUGH, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND THIS IS PART OF WHY WE WANTED OTHER PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON IT, IS THE PARCEL'S ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL.
IF YOU GO DOWN BIGTREE, RIGHT, IT'S ADJACENT TO ZONE COMMERCIAL BUT NOT DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL GOING THE OTHER WAY.
RIGHT? THEN YOU GET TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY HIGHLY CONTESTED AGRICULTURAL LAND AND THEN BEHIND IT YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IS NOT DESIGNATED OR ADAPTED BUT EXISTING NATURAL COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO THE STRUGGLE THAT WE HAD AND WE SORT OF PUNTED ON FULLY GOING ANY DE MORE DETAIL ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS WHICH SIDE OF THE PARCEL ARE WE COMPARING IT TO AND HOW AND WHAT OF THOSE ARE RELEVANT BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE RELEVANT IN TERMS OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT MAINTAINED BEHIND THEM.
WELL, BUT THAT'S 'CAUSE WE'VE OFFERED THAT UP.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS UM, NOTED AND SOME OF THESE, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY THAT, THAT EASEMENT IS NOTED.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT WHAT'S GONNA BE EVENTUALLY COMMERCIAL ONE WAY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM, THOSE PARCELS, ARE THEY GONNA BECOME A DONUT HOLE WITH THE C ONE OR C TWO THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF PARKER AND, AND BIG TREE.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IS ARE YOU GONNA THEN END UP WITH A DONUT HOLE AND HOW DO, WHAT DO WE, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION BACK ON REZONING TO THE TOWN IF YOU JUST LEAVE THOSE TWO STRANDED COMMERCIAL PARCELS? RIGHT ON.
AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN AND THAT'S NOT FOR US.
I KNOW WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT TOO THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S RELEVANT.
THE QUESTION, IT, IT GOES ALONG WITH ALL OF THIS.
WHAT IS THIS AREA MEANT TO BE? HOW IS IT ZONED? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? AND IF WE CHANGE THIS PARCEL, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE WHAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ENTRANCE THERE? THE UM, DREW WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL PLAN.
IT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT DREW, AS SOON AS YOU ZOOM IN TO ACTUALLY READ IT, EVERYTHING GOES HORRIBLY GRAINY
YOU CAN TELL LIKE THERE IS A RECREATIONAL AREA IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE THAT PROJECT IS.
BUT IS IT WHERE THAT PROJECT IS NOT SURE.
'CAUSE AS SOON AS YOU ZOOM IN ON IT, EVERYTHING IS VERY GREENY
BUT THERE'S NOT, IT'S JUST THE MAP THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK THE WHOLE RIGHT.
SO IT, SO IT'S AN EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 IT SAYS MAP THAT WAS SCANNED.
SO YOU ZOOM IN AND IT'S, IT SAYS NEW RECREATIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS CLUSTERED OFF.
MARK MIGHT BE THAT TUNNEL BE USEFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO SIT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE.
IS THAT IF WE HAD AN UPDATED OPEN SPACE PLAN THAT WHEN PEOPLE CAME IN AND SAID, HEY WE WANNA IMPACT THIS POTENTIALLY FORCED AND PLOT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND COMMIT FUNDS TO PRESERVE OR RESTORE THIS OTHER PLOT.
THAT PROVIDES US A MORE OBVIOUS MITIGATION STRATEGY.
BUT IT WOULD BE A USEFUL TOOL WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
I WAS THINKING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AT LEAST ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SHOULD BE ONE WHERE WE GO OVER MAPS.
SO WE, WE HAVE A MAP BEING GENERATED, WE'RE CIRCLING ALL THE PROBLEMATIC AREAS.
BUT I'M SAYING A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE DO THAT, WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN CIRCLE THE AREAS TOO.
UM, WELL, AND AND FOR DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT LENSES.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A QUICK ASIDE BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT A BUNCH OF TIMES AND I NEVER TOLD YOU.
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SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.AND THEN I'M, SEAN WILL SEND US A NICE LETTER NOW THE HAS AN EXTRA WEEK.
WHAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA TRY TO DO IS BASICALLY GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THEIR HOPES ARE YOU IDENTIFY SOME POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
SO THE APPLICANT WE'RE GIVING 'EM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T BELIEVE THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT AND HERE'S OUR REASON WHY THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEN, AND THEN AT SOME POINT THIS BOARD AS A MAJORITY HAS GOTTA VOTE AND DECIDE ARE ANY OF THESE ISSUES SIGNIFICANT? IF THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT, YOU MUST ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
YOU MUST, THE LAW STATES IF THEY'RE, THEY MAY SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S OBJECTIVE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SIGNIFICANCE PRE SUBJECTIVE IT RIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA DECISION BY THIS BOARD.
I'M HERE TO, THAT'S THE OTHER END.
IT'S AN EASIER DECISION TO ISSUE A OZ THAN A NEGATIVE.
WELL THAT'S REALLY AND ALSO RIGHT, BUT WE DO AGREE RIGHT, THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME DECISION FOR BOTH EITHER NECESSARILY.
WELL, RIGHT, AND I THINK THAT THAT BECAME VERY CLEAR ONCE WE DID THIS TABLE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A USEFUL TOOL AND IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR A, TO SEPARATE THE TWO PROJECTS TO SEPARATE THE TWO AND THEN TO IDENTIFY WHICH ARE CUMULATIVE.
WHICH ARE THE CUMULATIVE ISSUES.
BUT I THINK THE BIG ISSUE IS TRAFFIC AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
BUT TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND THE WELL HISTORICAL SURFACE WORKFLOWS, HOW THAT IS DONE.
I THINK PART OF THAT DEPENDS ON SITE PLANS AND PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CHALLENGES 'CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH GONNA GO THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES RIGHT AFTER THEY GET THROUGH SEEKER.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THAT FRIDAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE OTHER WEEKEND, BEFORE THAT MEETING, THE FIRST ONE MEETING IN JULY.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT GETS RECEIVED IN THAT IN THE MEANTIME, IF SOMEONE COULD FORWARD TO ME, JUST SO WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T THINK SARAH PROPAGANDA COMMENTS BACK UNLESS MAYBE DOT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS TONIGHT? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE DEADLINE FOR THE NEXT FILING IS THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE 4TH OF JULY.
SO IF SARAH'S POTENTIALLY OUT OF TOWN, YOU MAY JUST WANNA COPY ANY SUBMISSION TO THE WHOLE BOARD.
OR JENNIFER, I GET MY, UM, I'LL TALK, I'LL MAKE SURE YOU JUST CONFIRM SARAH.
I THINK I HAVE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAND IT TO US WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE WITH THE CHALK CHICK-FIL-A.
I WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THE TABLE, GLEN WETZEL TO JULY 7TH.
ENJOY YOUR TOO HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON AGENDA.
NOW WE'RE DOING THE MINUTES FROM, DO WE HAVE MINUTES BEFORE THAT TOO? IT'S, WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET SARAH.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES YET FROM THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE DO HAVE THEM IN FROM THE MAIN MEETING.
I PRESENT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FROM THE MAY 19TH MEETING.
SECOND BY, WAS IT MR. CHAPMAN? YES.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING MOTION BY MR. SHAW SECOND BY RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS COVER FOR ALL IN FAVOR.
I HAD, I HAD TO GET, I HAD TO DO IT WRONG ONE AT LEAST ONCE I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE RIGHT TIME.