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THE WORK SESSION.WE'VE GOT TWO ITEMS. FIRST ONE HERE IS MORENO MARK EQUITY REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF REVISED PART THREE, PHASE THREE OF THE DEER SPRINGS SUBDIVISION.
SO I KNOW FOR MYSELF IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH SINCE THIS WAS APPROVED QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE DEC ABOUT WETLANDS.
SO WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE NEXT TIME IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
SO WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR THE NEXT TIME YOU COME HERE IS IF WE COULD GET A MEMO THAT KIND OF CATCHES US UP ON WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN DC AND THE WETLANDS AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN 10 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS APPROVED AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, JUST SO I CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
10 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS REAPPROVED, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL GOES BACK WAY BEFORE THAT.
LET'S, BUT I GUESS FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS WITH WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON BEFORE THEY MAKE A PRESENTATION, RICK LARGO WAS HERE IN THE OFFICE TODAY AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THESE GROS BACK TO WHEN THIS ACTUALLY STARTED.
IT IS HIS BELIEF, I'M JUST SAYING THIS FOR THE RECORD, THAT YOU DON'T NEED ANY APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE REMOVING A LOT FROM A FILED MAP COVER.
HE SAID, WHY ARE THEY COMING BACK? THAT'S A FILED PLAT.
UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE SOME INKLING THAT HE SAYS YOU CAN ALWAYS BUILD LESS LOTS IN A SUBDIVISION.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I SAID, RICK, DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY AT THE MEETING TONIGHT, HE SAID YES, STAY AT THE MEETING TONIGHT.
THEY COULD KEEP THE PLAN THE SAME AND JUST BUILD, JUST BUILD AND JUST NOT BUILD ON THAT.
UNLESS THE DC IS LOOKING FOR YEAH, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAID FIND OUT WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THIS.
IS IT, UH, YOU WANT ME TO OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT, RICK TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED ME, HE WAS GONNA COME HERE TONIGHT.
I SAID, WELL, UNDER THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THIS IS THE OVERALL SPRING DEVELOPMENT AND THIS HIGHLIGHTED AREA.
SO, UM, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, THIS WAS PART THREE, PHASE THREE WITH 19 LOTS.
SO THE, UM, IN THE COURSE OF DEVELOPING OTHER PHASES PRIOR TO MURANO O OWNING, TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, PREVIOUS OWNER APPARENTLY HAD PLACED FILL WITHIN THIS AREA THAT THE D-C-D-E-C SAID WAS PLACED INAPPROPRIATELY AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, HALTED ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN NEGOTIATIONS FOR MANY YEARS BETWEEN THE DEC AND MORENO TRYING TO RES REACH A RESOLUTION FOR HOW THEY COULD MANAGE TO DO SOME LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT HIGHLIGHTED AREA.
SO AFTER A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DEC, UH, RESOLUTION WAS REACHED, AND BASICALLY NOW THAT PART THREE, PHASE THREE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO EIGHT LOTS AND THE CONNECTION OF PIN CHERRY ON BOTH ENDS, UM, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DEC AND FINALLY AND WE HAD SUBMITTED THAT, UM, SCHEDULE A AMENDMENT ONE, WHICH PRETTY MUCH OUTLINED THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE DC WANTS TO SEE ADDRESSED IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TO PROCEED.
SO WE, WE DEFINITELY, WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY A REDUCTION IN, UH, TOTAL BUILD OUT.
LIKE I SAID, WE WERE INITIALLY AT 19 LOTS AND THEN WHEN THE PROJECT WAS BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IN 2011, I BELIEVE IT HAD NINE.
SO, UM, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING LESS DEVELOPMENT.
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AN AREA THAT'S, UM, WETLANDS NOW AND A PROPOSED INCREASE IN WETLANDS, CREATED WETLANDS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF LOT 1 33, WHICH IS GONNA BE THIS WHOLE AREA.AND SO WE'RE BACK HERE TO, UH, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT AND ADDRESS WHATEVER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS QUESTIONS MAY BE.
BUT IT IS A DEFINITE REDUCTION IN OVERALL, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF, SANITARY SEWER, UM, COMPONENT WATER DEMAND.
EVERYTHING IS REDUCED BASED ON THE REDUCED NUMBER OF LOTS.
HOW MANY LOTS WERE YOU APPROVED? 19.
SO YOU'RE REDUCING CORRECT TO EIGHT? WELL, IT WAS 19 THEN 10 YEARS AGO THEY CAME IN AND GOT APPROVED FOR NINE YEARS AGO.
AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING AFTER ALL THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE DOWN TO EIGHT LOTS.
SO THIS PLANNING BOARD, NOT YOU GUYS APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO NINE LOTS MM-HMM
IT WAS OCTOBER 19TH, 20, YEAH.
AND THEN NOW AFTER ANOTHER NINE YEARS, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO SAY THEY CAN ONLY BUILD EIGHT LOTS.
I'M CONFUSED WHY, I'M CONFUSED WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY.
UH, WELL THAT'S WHAT RICK LARDO ASKED, SAID WHY THEY'RE JUST GONNA BUILD LESS LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF DEC IS SAYING THE TOWN HAS TO REAPPROVE IT OR IS THERE A REASON YOU NEED US? NO, THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING TO ME, DREW.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU, THAT'S WHY I ASKED RICK WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR BUS LOTS THAT THEY WERE APPROVED AND IT'S A FILE MAP COVER, WHY WOULD I HAVE ANY SAY IN IT? I BELIEVE WE DO.
WELL, AGAIN, WE WERE CONTACTING THE TOWN TO SAY WE'RE WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT REVISED DRAWINGS TO SHOW, UM, 'CAUSE WE DID WITH LESS LOTS.
WE REVISED THE SANITARY LAYOUT AND THE STORM DRAINAGE LAYOUT AND SUCH AS FAR AS ENGINEERING COMPONENT IS CONCERNED.
BUT WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IF THERE WAS ANY NEED FOR FURTHER TOWN APPROVALS, THAT WE ADDRESSED IT.
RICK WANTED ME TO POINT OUT HE'S NOT THE TOWN ENGINEER ANYMORE.
SO OBVIOUSLY IF, IF THE TOWN ENGINEER AGREES WITH THAT, THEN THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL CLASS IS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO.
SO, UM, CAMMY'S NOT HERE, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, RICK SAID I CAN'T, HE JUST GIVING YOU THE, HIS, WE JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED FOR ENGINEERING APPROVAL, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK.
SO IT CAMMY JUST GOT, UH, DRAWN.
SO WITH THE CHANGES IN REFINEMENTS FOR THE STORMWATER AND SANITARY SEWER, YOU'RE NOT MOVING ANY OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE'S JUST REMOVING WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE IN THESE LOTS.
RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ANYWHERE ELSE? NO, IT'S JUST WITHIN THAT LIMITS OF THAT PHASE.
WE'VE CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF SANITARY SEWER THAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, WE JUST SLIGHTLY, UM, REVISE THE, UH, CENTER LINE GRADE OF THE ROAD AND, UH, DRAINAGE COMPONENT OF IT IS GOING TO THE SAME DISCHARGE POINT THAT IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO GO TO.
AND DID YOU FILE A MAP WITH THE OTHER, WITH ALL THE OTHER LOTS AS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THE 19 LOT SUBDIVISION WAS A FILED BACK, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN IN 2012, DID YOU FILE THE, THE NINE? THAT I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE IT NEVER WENT FORMALLY TO NEVER.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER FILED.
SO WE STILL HAVE THE 19TH, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, RIGHT NOW IT'S THE 19.
IF 11 OF THOSE ARE NEVER BUILT UPON 'CAUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ONLY DU YOU'RE, YOU'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE SIZE OF ANY OF THEM.
SO IF, IF NONE OF THOSE 11 ARE EVER BUILT UPON AND, AND THERE'S PUT A DEED RESTRICTION THAT IS NOT BUILDABLE BECAUSE OF WETLANDS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THAT WAS RICK'S.
AND WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE OF THAT? NOTHING.
PAT WOULD BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT, I'M SURE.
WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT THEN.
AND AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT.
IT'S BASED UPON CAMMIE SAYING THERE'S NOT SOME BIG OTHER ISSUE THAT, WELL, HER LETTER DID NOT.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS EASY FOR YOU GUYS.
IF RICK, THAT'S WHY I WENT AND TALKED TO RICK 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS.
ALRIGHT, SO IS THAT, ARE WE YEAH, LET, YEAH, LET'S JUST DO THAT.
I MEAN AS LONG AS THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION THAT SAYS THEY'RE NOT BUILDABLE THEN AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY RIGHT.
THE DC WANTS THEM TO DO THAT EASEMENT.
SO JENNIFER'S HAPPY TO HAVE THEM OR APPROVE EASEMENT AND NOT HER.
THAT'S IS SATISFIED BASED ON, BASED ON THAT, UM, SCHEDULE A THANK YOU.
AND WE'LL RELAY THAT TO CAMMY 'CAUSE CAMMY'S, CAMMY JUST CAME IN FILE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS BUTTERMILK
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AND I TALKED TO RICK TODAY AND RICK SAYS TALK TO CAMIE, NOT THE TOWN ENGINEER, BUT HE SAYS, WHY DO THEY NEED APPROVAL OF THIS? THEY'RE JUST GONNA BUILD LESS LOTS.OR THIS IS THAT AMENDMENT TO THE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE.
LESS, LOTS THE SAME ROAD AND EVERYTHING.
BIGGEST THING SEEMS TO BE A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE CENTER ELEVATION OF THE RIGHT.
ANTICIPATING THAT WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON YOU.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.
ALL NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS KEN DIXIE REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW VISITOR CENTER AND PARKING AT ITS LOCATION EAST OF JEFFREY BOULEVARD.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WE'RE NOT DOING THE VISITOR CENTER RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS, UH, UH, SOME PARKING SO THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, USING THAT IN THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.
AND ARE YOU GONNA NEED ANY VARIANCES FOR THE PARKING LOT? NO.
SO, SO WE CAN WAIVE SITE PLAN AND JUST, I MEAN, IN SOME WAYS IT'S JUST, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, WHICH YOU WOULD'VE TO SIGN OFF ON ENGINEERING, ET CETERA.
I MEAN THIS IS JUST, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S MOSTLY GRAVEL, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, SO IT, IT'S KIND, IT'S MORE OF AN IMPROVEMENT OF AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND PARKING LOT THAN ANY REAL CHANGES.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO A FULL SITE PLAN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M ABSTAINING FOR MEMBERS THAT I'M WORKING WITH.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WHAT? REMEMBER WE TALKED, OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BUT CONFIRM THAT THAT IS A MUDDY PARKING LOT.
JUST LET HIM DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
SO, UM, I'LL DO A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR PEN DIXIE SECOND.
YOU DO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GO TO BUILD THE BUILDING YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET A YEAH.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THING WE WANTED TO REASSURE YOU.
RIGHT? THIS IS A PHASE PROJECT.
WE JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS FIRST PARKING LOT, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY BE OUR OVERFLOW PARKING LOT.
UM, WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING.
I GOT TO SEE RELATIVES AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IN 20 YEARS BECAUSE THEY COME TO WESTERN NEW YORK AND GO TO THE PEN.
WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE.
YEAH, THIS HASN'T HAPPENED IN A VERY LONG TIME.
YOU ALREADY STARTED SAYING, SARAH, DO YOU WANNA DO THIS ONE? I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE STUFF BLOWING OUTTA MY MOUTH.
WE HAD SOMETHING WE WERE GONNA DO AFTER THE MEETING.
IF SARAH CAN DO IT NOW, IT'D BE GREAT.
SHE CAN EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
IS IT SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO SIGN.
IT'S A PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT WE APPROVED.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT, YOU GUYS HAVE THE PLAN.
WHY DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE THE PLAN IN YOUR, UM, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT HERE.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU APPROVED LAST YEAR, PERKINS FOR 20 YEARS
UM, THEY DO NOT PLAN TO DO THE MONUMENT SIGN ANYMORE.
SO THAT WE WOULDN'T BRING IT HERE TO YOU FOR YOU FOR THAT.
SO NO SIGN, NO SIGN AND NO, UM, CORRESPONDING LANDSCAPING.
THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES AROUND THE SIGN THAT THEY'RE, THEY'D LIKE TO JUST NOT DO THAT.
AND IF THAT'S ALL THEY WEREN'T GONNA DO, WE WOULDN'T BRING IT TO YOU.
BUT HE DOESN'T WANNA PUT IN THE FENCE THAT HE PROPOSED AROUND THE PROPERTY.
WE, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MINUTES.
WE DIDN'T TELL HIM TO PUT A FENCE IN.
HE PROPOSED IT, BUT THE COST, NO, I DON'T THINK WE, I THINK WE DECIDED THAT IT, IT WASN'T THAT.
BUT IT'S, IT, IT, I WISH THESE GUYS WERE HERE, BUT IT'S $80,000 FOR THE FENCE AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
AND YOU CAN PUT IT ON, I CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH OR NEXT WEEK.
I THOUGHT THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE IN FRONT OF US.
'CAUSE THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE OUTSIDE WAS THE ADDITION OF THE FENCE AND THE SIDE.
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OUT TO THE, SO THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA PUT IN A GATE.GATES ARE THERE GATES ARE THERE.
ROGER JUST SAID THE GATES ARE YEAH.
AND THE LANDSCAPE, ISN'T THERE A, IF IT'S OUTDOOR STORAGE OR OUTDOOR STORAGE OR IS IT, DON'T BUT IS IT OUTDOOR STORAGE IS A QUESTION.
REMEMBER IT WAS TRAILERS THEY PUT ON BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, THAT FENCE WE APPROVED RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE APPROVED A SPLIT RAIL FENCE, NOT MAKE AN AESTHETIC.
SO, WHICH I THINK WAS PART OF THE ISSUE BECAUSE THAT AREA IS MORE OF A AL WELCOME AREA WITH RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES.
AND INSTEAD OF, SO THAT IT WOULD, I MEAN, PART OF THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO TRY AND MAKE IT LOOK NICER AND TO KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER, THE, THE AREA.
IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE MINUTES.
THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OF YOU GUYS, SO WE COULDN'T REALLY TELL WHAT, WHAT DO THEY HAVE RECORDINGS? HUH? HE COULD WATCH US ON VIDEO.
I THINK I CAN PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT OUTSIDE.
YOU GONNA STORE TRAILERS OUT THERE? RIGHT? LET ME SEE IF ANYBODY FROM THEIRS OUT THERE DON'T TRAILERS OUTSIDE.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
YEAH, I, I JUST ALWAYS THOUGHT TOO, I JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN IT IS, I I I AGREE.
THE FACT THAT THIS IS A MAJOR ENTRANCE WAY INTO THE TOWN.
WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AESTHETICS.
I MEAN, IF HE'S NOT GONNA DO THE FENCE, THEN DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING? WHAT IS THE ISSUE THERE? WHATEVER.
UM, SO SARAH, WHEN WAS THIS PROJECT LAST IN FRONT OF US? IT'S AUGUST, THE YEAR IS CUT.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY 2020 THE END.
WHEN WAS IT SIGNED? OCTOBER OF 2020.
SO THIS SEPTEMBER, AUGUST, 2020.
I'M JUST THINKING I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK MY PERSONAL NOTES AND SEE DENNIS DOG TAKES DETAILED NOTES.
SO WE'LL PUT THIS ONE ON IN TWO WEEKS FOR YOU TO MAKE, DO SOME RESEARCH.
I'LL, WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH SO YOU CAN MAKE AN OFFICIAL DECISION.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO A SITE PLAN.
IT'S A FAIRLY, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IF IT WAS JUST THE SIGNAGE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
THAT'S A CALL BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE FENCE, THAT THOUGHT WAS BIG ENOUGH THAT IT SHOULD COME HERE.
DID YOU START THE RECORD? OH, I DUNNO WHERE I DID IT.
HOW DO I KNOW IF IT STARTED? IT'S NOT STARTED.
OH, I KEEP SAYING THIS IS RECORD AND I DIDN'T PRESS IT.
I JUST, I THINK, I THINK FACEBOOK RECORD.
I THINK IT WAS ON ALREADY BECAUSE OKAY.
WELL WHEN I, WHEN I DID THE THING ON THE SIDE, IT ALREADY SAID RECORD.
WELL, OKAY, NOW PUSH RECORD AGAIN.
TOOK, NO, IT WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU WERE, DID WE NEED ANY I CAN LISTEN TO HIM.
THIS WAS A, WE'RE DOING THE LE TRAILERS.
ARE ANY TRAILERS STORED OUTSIDE THE OH, THE, OH YEAH, THERE'S LIKE A SHOWROOM THING.
I THINK I SO THE SHOWROOM, THE SHOWROOM'S OUTSIDE THE EXITS ARE WHERE THEY'RE STORING TRAILERS, RIGHT? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL ACTUAL TRAILERS.
AND THEN, AND THEN THIS IS THE PARKING.
THE FENCE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED ISN'T GONNA HIDE ANYTHING.
WERE THERE ANY ZONING? THERE'S NOT ANY ZONING VARIANCE, CORRECT? NO.
WE, WE HAD A, UH, USED VARIANCE USED OKAY.
TO ALLOW, TO ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR USED THAT IN THAT ZONING.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE WONDERING ABOUT, WE KNOW THE TRAILERS ARE GONNA BE OUTSIDE.
SO IT'S SIMILAR TO THE BOBCAT BUFFALO THING.
UM, SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA AGREE TO CHANGING IT TO HAVE NO FENCE OR THEY DID PUT THE GATES IN ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY FOR SECURITY INITIALLY.
THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD NEED THAT FENCE FOR SECURITY IN CASE SOMEBODY PULLED UP AND TRIED TO STEAL A TRAILER OR SOMETHING.
BUT THE CURBS ARE HIGH ENOUGH AROUND THE EXISTING SITE THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, SO I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA KNOW.
SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THEM TO, WHETHER IT'S OKAY TO TAKE OUT VENTS.
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DAY IT DOES.OKAY TO TAKE THE FENCE OUT OR TAKE IT OUT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY WANNA KNOW IF WE, IF THEY CAN TAKE THE FENCE OUT OR IF IT HAS TO STAY IN DURING THE PLAN.
SO WHICH DO YOU THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE TO, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE ALL WIDE OPEN.
AND THE TRAILERS THAT THEY'RE SELLING ARE OUTSIDE.
I MEAN, I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT THEY GOT A USE VARIANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROPERLY ZONE, THIS TYPE OF USE.
AND IF YOU PUT THE FENCE IN, IT GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN AESTHETIC THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT A USE WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THAT JOB.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD HAVE FENCE OR SOME OTHER PROPOSED RIGHT.
ALTERNATIVE DEFENSE DOESN'T DO A WHOLE GOOD JOB OF HIDING THE TRAILERS.
I'M NOT THE LANDSCAPING DO EVEN BETTER WITH THAT.
WELL, I KNOW THAT MY, MY CONCERN IS NOT, IT'S JUST PROVIDING A FRAMING AESTHETIC MAKES IT LOOK, I MEAN, IF, IF, IF YOU DID WANT THE FENCE AND IF THERE COULD BE A COMPROMISE ON EITHER THE MATERIALS OR THE LIMIT OF FENCING, INSTEAD OF FENCING THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE BASICALLY THREE SIDES OF IT BECAUSE THE BACKSIDE, THE SIDE, THE SIDES, AND THE PLAZA ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THAT WEIRD INTERSECTION THAT THE COULD YOU INSTEAD OF DOING THE FENCE, USE SOME OF THAT, UH, THAT MONEY TO REDO SOME LANDSCAPING FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE EVEN BETTER.
I MEAN WE ARE PROVIDING I THINK 75 PLANTS IN THE FRONT ALREADY.
I THINK THEY CAME TO US FOR THIS PROPOSAL, SO RIGHT.
I MEAN, I GUESS IF THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WANNA PROPOSE I OPTIONS LIKE A, LIKE A WOODEN OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I THOUGHT THE FENCE REALLY FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY ALL THAT WELL ANYWAY, I I I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE YOU COULD DO THAT COULD BE A LOT BETTER.
AND I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE MCKINLEY SIDE OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER SIDE ARE REALLY FACING THE, THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SIDE THAT'S UP AGAINST THE AUTO DETAIL PLACE THERE, LIKE CRAZY BIG TREES THERE.
SO THAT, THAT FENCE, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE REALLY VISIBLE.
ALRIGHT, WELL CHRIS, YOU SAID THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS FOR SECURITY, BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT NOW.
AND THEY PUT THE GATES ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY SO YOU DON'T, THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS RIGHT BECAUSE HE, HE HAD GONE AROUND TO OTHER DEALERS LIKE THIS AND KIND OF WHERE THEY, THESE DAYS.
I DUNNO HOW, HOW ABOUT THIS CHANGE MY MIND A LITTLE BIT.
WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT OPTION THAT YOU'RE THINKING AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE IF WE THINK THAT FITS BETTER WITH THE YOU WANNA JUST DO IT ALONG MCKINLEY OR, I MEAN, I WAS KIND OF LEAVING IT WIDE OPEN BECAUSE THE ONE, THE ONE BIG ISSUE AND THAT THIS WAS HOW THIS CAME UP.
HE'S TRYING, TRYING TO GET A CONDITIONAL CO RIGHT ROD.
HE'S TRYING TO GET A CONDITIONAL CO BECAUSE THE INSIDES ALL DONE, BUT ROGER WON'T GIVE HIM UNTIL HE PUTS IN RIGHT.
GETS RIGHT BY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
WELL THEY COULD GIVE HIM A CONDITIONAL CO AND THEN NOT A FINAL ONE UNTIL THE FENCE GETS PUT IN OR SOME, SOME, BUT, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IN ADDITION TO THE, SO THERE'S THE MCKINLEY SIDE, THERE'S THAT PART AROUND THE CORNER.
THAT'S THE PART THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST GREEN SPACE HERE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OPEN OVER HERE.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE MORE AESTHETIC, YOU KNOW, HERE HERE.
WHAT IF WE JUST DID IT HERE, HERE AND RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER TO THIS SAME ONE HERE.
AND I'M OPEN TO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
I MEAN, IF THIS, I'M NOT MARRIED TO VINYL, I DON'T WANT, SO LIKE, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTS TO LOOK AT.
I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE.
UM, WE, WE DID JUST THE REGULAR WOOD SPLIT RAIL, LIKE YOU, I THINK WOULD ACTUALLY FIT IN WAY BETTER AND DID IT TO THE LIMITS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE,
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WE DID IT LIKE HERE AND AROUND HERE.SO YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE ON AND I, I WOULD WANNA WALK THIS LIKE, I WOULD WANNA GO AHEAD AND SEE THE SITE IF WE'RE TAKE FENCING OUT AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS ON THE AGENDA.
LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE JUST WHAT ATTORNEY THINK ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION IF IT'S NOT ON YOUR AGENDA.
WE CAN, UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SKETCH, I'LL SOMETHING UP.
I THINK YOU CAN LET ROGER KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THEM TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT A REGULAR MEETING.
AN ITEM AND JUST TELL ROGER THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH WITH THEM.
THEY'RE GONNA CONDIT AND, AND SO, SO WHEN WE TALK TO ROGER, IS THE PLANNING BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH TELLING ROGER WE THINK IT'S GONNA GET RESOLVED? I GONNA CALL ROGER.
I'M HAPPY TO RELAY THAT AS WELL.
I'M SURE SARAH, LISTEN, I, I'D ONLY WANNA SAY THAT IF WE BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE, IIII THINK WE CAN.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR OKAY.
FOR WORKING SOMETHING OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERY ELSE IS.
SO THE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE RIGHT.
THE INSIDE, I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE INSIDE.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE MONUMENT SIGN.
HE DOESN'T NEED THE MONUMENT SIGN.
SO IF YOU COULD LET ROGER KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK TOWARDS SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT.
AND THEN, UH, MAYBE I'LL LET 'EM GET A CO OR CONDITION.
CO ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN WE GOT MORE MINUTES.
CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THAT THERE'S NOT ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE REASON WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF FENCE? WHAT I KNOW, I KNOW THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE, WE NEVER WOULD'VE ALLOWED A FOUR FOOT.
THE PROBLEM IS, NOW THAT I REMEMBER IT, IT'S A USE VARIANCE.
SO THE C TWO ZONING OR WHATEVER THE ZONING WAS DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE THEY GOT A USE.
BUT ALSO I REMEMBER US COMPARING THIS TO LIKE A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT HAS RIGHT.
INSTEAD WE DON'T MAKE, INSTEAD OF OUTDOOR STORAGE, YOU GUYS CAR DEALER AND WE DON'T MAKE THEM FENCE IN, THEY JUST WANNA DISAGREE.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT IT, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER AND WHATEVER.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CORNER OF THE TAP.
IT'S AN ENTRANCE WAY INTO THE RIGHT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE, IT'S NOT FUN HAVING PERKINS BEING VACANT.
SO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WE'LL DO THE RESEARCH.
GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A ZONING ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FENCE, NOT OUTDOOR.
WELL AND I THINK THE ISSUE WITH THIS ONE IS TOO, IT WASN'T DRIVE UP THAT IT WAS, HE WAS NOT DOING ANY DRIVING BUSINESS.
IT WAS AS OPPOSED TO A CAR WHERE THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNISTIC.
I'M GONNA GO, I THINK IT WAS PEOPLE RESEARCH THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
YEAH, I THINK, NO, I WAS HERE MY CS H-B-K-H-N-D-R WITH NO GLASSES ON.
MY EYES HAVE GOTTEN BETTER OVER THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS, WHICH IS WEIRD.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.WELCOME TO THE JULY 7TH, 2020.
PLEASE RISE TO THE PLEDGE OF MY PLEDGE AGAINST THE FLAG BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HERE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDI WITH ENERGY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, SO A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, BLOOM CREATIVE ARTS WILL NOT BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS HERE FOR THAT ONE.
THERE WON'T BE A ZONING BOARD.
SO THEY'LL BE IN OUR FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.
AND, UH, CHICK-FIL-A WAS NUMBER FIVE, BUT WE, THEY HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WE REQUESTED THAT'S IN FROM ALBANY THAT HAS TO DRIVE HOME TO ALBANY TONIGHT.
SO OUT COURTESY TO THAT PERSON, WE'RE GONNA HEAR THAT ONE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO FIRST ITEM OF THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
STEVEN AND PIERCE REQUESTING A CHANGE IN USE OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 6 5 9 2 GOWANA STATE ROAD TO A BRIDAL SHOP.
UM, SHE ALSO HAD A YEAH, SHE GOT A VERY, SO SHE HAD A VARI LAST NIGHT.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE PARKING LOT.
SO, UM, I DO YOU READY FOR IT? YEP.
NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, PLENTY BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY STEVENS AND PIERCE TO OPERATE A BRIDAL SHOP IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 6 5 9 2 WANDA STATE ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JULY 7TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR STEVENS AND PIERCE.
IS ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST STEVEN AND PIERCE? ANYBODY HAVE THE FACEBOOK OPEN? JASON, DO YOU HAVE A FACEBOOK OPEN? NO.
JUST GONNA SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS.
WAITING FOR THAT? NOTHING FOR THIS PROJECT.
WHAT OTHER COMMENTS? JUST WITH REGARD TO THE TRAILER.
JUST THE, I BELIEVE THE OWNER.
SO FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANYONE HERE FOR THE BLISS BRIDAL PROJECT BEING NO COMMENTS? I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I SAID IN HERE YOU COULD DO SITELINE APPROVAL.
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WAIVER.OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO A WAIVER BECAUSE REQUIRED A VARIANCE.
SO YOU, WHY WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PREPARE RESOLUTION, WE WEREN'T AUTHORIZED.
BUT IT'S A TYPE TWO SECRET ACTIONS.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE EVEN HAD TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IS BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO A FULL SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A ZONING VARIANCE THAT THEY GOT.
I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE NEED TO PUT ON THIS? ARE WE WA THERE ARE NO, NO ONE, DON'T THERE ANY CONDITIONS AND DO WE HAVE TO WAVE SIDEWALKS OR ARE THERE SIDEWALKS? WE, WE WOULD WAVE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER INSTALLED OR THEY'RE NOT
WELL, WELL I GUESS IF THEY'RE NOT THEN WE MIGHT WANT, WANT THEM TO BUILD SIDEWALKS.
SO LET'S, YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
WE NEVER HAVE PEOPLE GO SIDEWALKS AND THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT DENNIS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I CAN'T SEE FROM THE MAP IF THERE'S SIDEWALK NOW THERE ARE SIDEWALKS OUT ON THE MAIN HIGHWAY, BUT NOT ON THE SIDE STREET.
AND FROM THE PICTURE MY, YOU CAN SEE THAT I CAN, THERE ARE DOWN STREET VIEW.
RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT'S SIDEWALKS THERE.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YEAH, THERE'S SIDEWALK ON THE MAIN STREET, BUT THERE'S NOT SIDE THAT MIGHT NOT BE STREET VIEW LIKE TO, RIGHT.
WELL I MEAN WE, WE COULD APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AND NOT WAVE SIDEWALKS AND THEN THEY GOTTA PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.
WHAT'S IT GONNA COST? SIDEWALK? WE DON'T HAVE IT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT PREPARED.
WE WERE GONNA LOOK IN, REMEMBER WE WAVED SIDEWALKS EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE OR REMEMBER WE SAY THEY GO TO NOWHERE AND NEVER WOULD GO ANYWHERE.
SO WE DO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
WELL THEN, WELL THE QUESTION IS NEVER WOULD GO TO ANYWHERE AND KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NEVER GO.
WE DUNNO WHAT ELSE IS GONNA GO THERE.
I WOULD SAY HAVING PUT SIDEWALKS, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE MAIN STREET THAT IT GOES UP FRONT OF.
DOESN'T GO DOWN THE SIDE STREET.
WELL THE SIDE STREET'S GONNA HAVE PARKING ON IT ALL THE WAY UP.
OR IS THERE GONNA BE GRASS VEGETATION BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY? SORRY.
BUT THERE'S NOT SIDEWALK CORNER.
SO THEY LOOKS, THEY GO AROUND AROUND THE CORNER AND THEN THEY DON'T GO HERE.
SO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE.
SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME THE WHOLE WAY AROUND.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SECTION IN HERE, IN HERE.
THAT BEING SAID, YEAH, THE REST OF STEVENS ROAD IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.
SO THE, THE ODDS OF THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DOWN THERE.
SO THE, THE ADJACENT PARTIAL IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
DO WE KNOW WHAT HER PERSONAL
HOW FAR DOES HER, HER PROPERTY LINE ENDS LIKE RIGHT PAST THE BUILDING.
SO THE DRIVEWAY GOES UP AND THERE'S JUST THAT LITTLE STRIP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE SIDEWALK IS ALREADY THERE.
BASICALLY FOR THE PART THAT'S GONNA GO AROUND WANDA STATE THAT GOES AROUND THE CORNER BASICALLY TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA EXTEND TO.
SO SHE REALLY WOULD ONLY HAVE THE, FROM THE HOUSE, THE NEXT PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE NEXT PROPERTY LINE IS ALREADY A RESIDENTIAL HOME RESIDES.
WHAT LOOKS WELL IF THEY'RE GONNA BE REMOVING THE, UH, THE TWO PORTION OF THE BUILDING, WHAT ARE THEY, HOW ARE THEY GONNA REMEDY THAT? WHAT, WHAT'S IT GONNA LEAVE? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
THEY'RE TAKING DOWN PART OF THE BUILDING.
OH, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE THING IN THE BACK.
RIGHT, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GONNA PUT IN THERE TO REPLACE ONE OF THE, NOTHING, NOTHING GRASS.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THIS PART.
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TO THE BUILDING.WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT'S SHOWING THAT IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE
I DON'T HAVE THIS ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE EITHER.
WE, EXCEPT, SO THAT'S EXCITING.
AND THEN THIS PIECE IS JUST THIS LITTLE, SO THE, IT'S THIS, IT'S THE SAME AS THIS LITTLE STRUCTURE HERE.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE NOT PART OF THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE THE LEAN TO THING IS LIKE A UNHEATED, IT'S LIKE SPACE EXTERIOR.
THERE IS THE SEPARATION THERE.
SHE'S, I MEAN, SHE'S NOT HERE.
WE COULD SEE IF WE'RE OKAY WITH WAVING THE SIDEWALKS OR NOT.
SO LET'S, I GUESS DENNIS IS, IT SAYS YOU'RE OKAY WITH DOING THE SITE PLAN AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT WAVE THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT.
THIS THING HERE DOESN'T SHOW ME ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T SHOW ME WHAT'S ON THE ROAD.
AND WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT WE NEVER MAKE THEM PUT SIDEWALKS INTO PLANE.
STEVENS ROAD IS, IS RESIDENTIAL FROM PIERCE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
BUT IT'S, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SITE PLAN AND DOING SITE PLAN TODAY? I LIKE IT WHEN THEY'RE HERE.
I, I JUST LIKE, YOU DON'T WANNA DO WHAT TO DO THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE CAN ALSO PREPARE PROPER SOLUTION AND LET HER TALK TO YOU ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO HER AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALWAYS WANNA PUT SIDEWALKS IN, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S ALONG.
I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT WE TYPICALLY DO IT ALONG A COMMERCIAL CARTER BECAUSE AS BUSINESSES COME IN, WE MAKE THEM PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA COME TO US AND THE TOWN'S NEVER GONNA PUT SIDEWALKS IN AND THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL STREET, THEY DON'T PAY FOR SIDEWALKS ANYMORE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS THAT, THAT IS NOT THE TOWN'S INTENT EVER TO PUT SIDEWALKS DOWN THAT SIDEWALK SIDE.
WELL IT'S THE, THE PROPERTY PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING HAVING THE SIDEWALK WIND AT LEAST THE PARKING LOT AND CONNECT IT ALL PARKING ON THIS.
THAT'S BECOMING AN INCREASINGLY LIKE A SHOPPING AREA AND THERE'S RESTAURANTS DOWN THERE NOW AND IT'S EXPANDING THAT WAY.
AND I GUESS WARN HER THAT THERE'S SOME OF THIS THAT UH, I WILL DO THAT BECAUSE I'M YOU, I'M I'M LEANING TOWARDS IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS DENNIS.
WE ALWAYS SAY WE WANT THE SIDEWALKS AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET 'EM IS TO NOT WAIT.
ALRIGHT, SO MOTION TABLE TILL JULY 21ST.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO, IS THE TRAFFIC PERSON HERE FOR CHICK-FIL-A? YES.
SO, SO WE WE'RE GONNA GO ON ORDER.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO CHICK-FIL-A REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW RESTAURANT BUILDING TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF 3, 4, 6 4 MILES ROAD.
SO I'LL BEGIN WHILE WE'RE SETTING UP.
SEAN HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME THIS EVENING IS A CLIP MATTSON FROM CHICK-FIL-A TIMOTHY FRY TAG FROM BOWLER ENGINEERING.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AMY GATE, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM SRM ASSOCIATES.
AS THE BOARD RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS TIMES.
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DURING THE MEETING ON JUNE 16TH, YOU CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DID ASK THE DEPARTMENT FAIR DRAFTS OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR A RESOLUTION ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND GRANTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL.UH, CAMMY HAS FINISHED ON BEHALF OF THD, THE TOWNS ENGINEER REVIEWING THE ENGINEER PLANS AND RELATED TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION.
THE ONLY FOLLOW UP ITEM I BELIEVE THERE WAS AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UM, HAVING AMY ATTEND AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD MAY HAVE RELATIVE TO TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, OF COURSE, THAT NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW DRIVEWAYS ONTO EITHER OF THE STREETS, UH, MCKINLEY OR MARICK.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A COMMENT LETTER, A FAVORABLE COMMENT LETTER FROM GINA KOLOWSKI OF THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO DOT AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ANY SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
AGAIN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE IN CURRENT ACCESS TO ROADWAYS.
SO AMY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW.
SO JUST THE CORRECTIONS OH YEAH.
THING YOU SAID, SEAN, WE AUTHORIZED THEM TO PREPARE PART TWO AND THREE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE AUTHORIZED RESOLUTIONS AT
THE MAY SAY I JUST CONFIRMED SAY PART TWO AND PART WE DO HAVE RESOLUTION PREPARED THOUGH.
I I WROTE IN MY NOTES, I DON'T DUNNO WHY IT DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE MEETING.
AT THE END I ASKED DO YOU WANT MAY PREPARE A RESOLUTION AND YOU SAID YES AND I DID.
I SAID, AND THEY WERE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS YOU GUYS COULD ALWAYS CHOOSE NOT TO ACT ON.
PART TWO AND PART THREE I NOTES OF ONE I'M ASSIGNED.
I MEAN, I'LL I'LL HAVE TO LISTEN.
I THOUGHT YOU DID TOO, BUT I YOU'RE RIGHT.
I DIDN'T, NO, WAIT, WAIT MINUTES.
I, NO, I I THINK THE MINUTES ARE ACCURATE BUT WE DIDN'T DO A VOTE TO AUTHORIZE IT, BUT WE SAID IT'S OKAY TO, THAT'S PROBLEM.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES, WHAT IT SAYS.
WELL, OH, THE MINUTES AUTHORIZED PART THEN TO PREPARE PARTS TWO AND THREE, UH, AND THE MINUTES.
DON'T SAY THAT WE OH NO, IT SAYS THE BILLS TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULD PREPARE.
I THINK I ASKED IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT.
I THINK YOU SAID YES, THEY CAN PREPARE A DRAFT, BUT YOU'RE NOT MAKING BILL SAID YES.
BUT THERE WAS NO COMMITMENT THAT YOU WERE VOTING WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT THAT YOU CAN'T, THERE WAS NOT A COMMITMENT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, I DO WANNA NOTE, UM, I'VE WORKED WITH AMY AND MANY, UH, DEVELOPERS THROUGHOUT WESTERN NEW YORK.
I'VE WORKED WITH AMY FOR THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO PLUS DECADES.
I CONSIDER BE THE MOST COMPETENT TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
SHE HAS WORKED, UM, EXTENSIVELY ON THIS PROJECT.
SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HER AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I'M THE MANAGING ENGINEER WITH S ASSOCIATES.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, I CAN GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WHATEVER THE BOARD'S PLEASURE.
THAT YOU GUYS YEAH, I, PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT I HAD, NUMBER ONE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU PUTTING YOUR SNOW ON THE WALL.
NOW IF I, I MADE A POINT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE CLASS LAST WEEK AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TRAFFIC IN AND OUT WHEN YOU GOT ALL THAT SNOW UP AGAINST THE WALL.
AND THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S GONNA BE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC IN AND OUT DOWN THE MCKINLEY.
IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK IF YOU SNOWBANK THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC.
THE OTHER THING IS HAVE YOU STUDIED THE TRAFFIC OVER BY THE BJ'S PLAZA END OF IT? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC GOING ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WHERE YOU PULL IN WHERE THE LIGHT IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT A LIGHT THERE.
WELL, I FOUND A LIGHT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU GET AN ARROW FOR A LEFT HAND TURN, YOU PULL IN.
BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY COMING FROM TIM HORTONS WHO KIND OF CUTS YOU OFF AND STOPS WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO GET INTO THE NEXT LANE.
SO I, I JUST, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A NEGATIVE IMPACT, UH, ON THAT TRAFFIC.
UH, YOU'VE GOT 'EM COMING IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS ACROSS THE STREET, SUPPOSEDLY YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO MAKE A RIGHT.
BUT THEY CONSTANTLY PULL OUT OF THERE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT HIT ONCE OR TWICE.
UH, SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, HOW YOU PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND SAID THAT IT, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA BE HINDERING TWO TRAFFIC ON THIS SIDE? THE BUILDING MCKINLEY? YEAH, THERE AND, OKAY.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE DID TALK THROUGH, UH, SNOW
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REMOVAL.OVERALL THIS SITE IS PAVED TODAY WE'RE INCREASING GREEN SPACE.
SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S LOT SNOW TO HAVE TO REMOVE OFF THIS SITE.
BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND LOT NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE NOW THAT WE'RE OCCUPYING AREA UP HERE.
THAT WAS VACANT PARKING SPACES THAT THEY PILED SNOW AT THE LAST MEETING WE MENTIONED.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UNUTILIZED PARKING ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING FOR SNOW MANAGEMENT BECAUSE YOUR ENTRANCES ARE UP FRONT WITH ADEQUATE PARKING OUT HERE.
NO ONE IS INTENDING TO BLOCK THE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC DRIVE FILES ALONG THESE BUILDINGS.
AND WE CAN'T FROM, WE CAN'T A FIRE TRUCK ACCESS PERSPECTIVE AND FOR THE OPERATING BUSINESSES.
SO WE HAD MENTIONED WE WOULD UTILIZE THE UNUSED PARKING SPACES.
YOU CAN GET A A DECENT SNOW PUSH OVER THERE WITHOUT INTERFERING TOO A TRAFFIC FLOW.
BUT IF THERE EVER IS A HEAVY SNOWFALL EVENT WHERE WE NEED THE EXTRA PARKING OR THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE IS IMPAIRED, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAUL IT OFF SITE SIMILAR TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY DO TODAY.
SO THIS WILL ALWAYS BE MAINTAINED AS TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.
AND AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE IT HAS TO BE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE ACCESS.
SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY LOOKED AT THREE INTERSECTIONS COMPREHENSIVELY.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE MAIN INTERSECTION HERE, MCKINLEY, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE TWO SITE DRIVEWAY INTERSECTIONS, WHICH ARE EXISTING INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE DID TRAFFIC COUNTS DURING THE PEAK HOURS, WHICH MEANS THE WEEKDAY PM COMMUTER PEAK BECAUSE THAT TIME PERIOD IS GONNA HAVE AN OVERLAP WITH THE DINNER CROWD TRAFFIC FOR CHICK-FIL-A.
AND THEN SATURDAY AFTERNOON AT LUNCHTIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF RETAIL USES IN THE AREA, SATURDAY AFTERNOON TENDS TO BE THE HIGHEST, ONE OF THE HIGHER PEAKS FOR RETAIL TRAFFIC.
AND WE'VE GOT THE LUNCH CROWD FOR CHICK-FIL-A AS WELL.
UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC, WE'LL USE THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS TO ENTER AND EXIT THE CHICK-FIL-A SITE.
UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S INTERCONNECTION AND THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE INTERCONNECTIONS SO THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS IF THE TRAFFIC PROBABLY DETERMINE THAT MOST OF THEM ARE GONNA USE THE DRIVEWAYS AND NOT THE INTERCONNECTION.
WELL WE DO, UH, TRIP DISTRIBUTION BASED ON THE EXISTING TRAFFIC WHERE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL CENTERS, WHERE THERE'S EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND, AND THEN IT'S BASED ON WHERE, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WHERE WE THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME FROM AND GO TO.
SO, SO DID DID YOU GO THERE AND LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE USED THE CONNECTOR? YES.
AND THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT USES THE KINETIC CONNECTOR AND THEY USE IT AS A RECOVER.
UM, BUT FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A ITSELF, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO TO CHICK-FIL-A, IT REALLY WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ENTER UP HERE, HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TIM HORTONS TRAFFIC AND THEN COME THROUGH THE CONNECTOR JUST TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS PARKING TO GET TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO COME STRAIGHT DOWN, MILE STRIP, MAKE THE LEFT TURN IN AND COME THAT WAY.
AND I THINK, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR DENNIS, I THINK DENNIS WAS WORRIED ABOUT MORE PEOPLE LEAVING.
SO I GET MY FOOD AT, AT CHICK-FIL-A.
I SEE THERE'S CARS BACKED UP AT THAT INTERSECTION THERE, THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO I CUT THROUGH TO GO TO THE LIGHT INTERSECTION AND WHEN I CUT THROUGH, PEOPLE GO ALONG THE FRONT AND BLOCK PEOPLE GOING DOWN THAT WAY.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S SEEN THERE, IS THAT PEOPLE TRY TO USE THE, IF YOU'RE LEAVING CHICK-FIL-A AND YOU WANNA GO WEST ON MATRI, RIGHT, WHY WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE CLOSETS, THE LIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST TURN RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA BE BACKED UP RIGHT THERE BACKED UP THAT THAT'S GONNA BE BACKED UP.
NO, BOTH GOING TOWARD UH, UH, GOING TOWARDS SOUTH PARK.
SO BACKS UP FROM THE LIGHT ALL THE WAY PAST THIS DRIVEWAY.
WE DIDN'T SEE THAT IN OUR OBSERVATIONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE CHICK-FIL-A THERE IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF CARS IN THERE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU, IF YOU'RE YOU, THIS IS ONLY GONNA BE YOUR ONLY WAY OUT ON
AND THIS IS ONLY OUT ON THE MM-HMM
THIS WON'T DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BETWEEN THE CORNER AND THIS PARKING LOT.
IF YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE CARS COMING OUT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY HAVE 'EM GO OUT THIS WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THAT THAT DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE BLOCKED.
SO I THINK THERE'S ONE, YOU CAN GET 12 CARS BETWEEN HERE MAYBE THAN WAY MORE.
AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY'RE ALL GONNA COME OUT AND COME OUT ONLEY OR HERE YES.
THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET BACK DONE.
NO, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE BACK THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT OUR STUDY LOOKED AT, THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED BY CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, WE ALL KNOW WHAT
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CHICK-FIL-A DOES AROUND HERE, BUT THIS IS THE THIRD STORE IN THE MARKET.AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING IN ROCHESTER AND SYRACUSE AND OTHER LOCATIONS IS THAT AS WE ADD MORE CHICK-FIL-A STORES TO THE MARKET, WE'RE NOT SEEING AS MUCH TRAFFIC AT EACH INDIVIDUAL STORE LIKE WE DID WITH THE VERY FIRST STORE.
UM, SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND TO BE CONSERVATIVE, WE LOOKED AT ADDING ALL OF THE CHICK-FIL-A TRAFFIC TO THESE ROADWAYS THAT WILL GO TO AND FROM THE SITE.
BUT IN REALITY THERE WILL BE SOME THAT WILL BE PASSED BY TRAFFIC.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF I'M ON MY WAY HOME, I GET OFF OF THE THROUGHWAY AND I'M HEADING DOWN MILE STRIP, I DECIDE I WANNA STOP INTO CHICK-FIL-A AND GET DINNER.
I'M ALREADY A CAR THAT'S ON MILES STRIP EVERY NIGHT ANYWAY.
I JUST HAPPEN TO TURN INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND TURN BACK OUT.
SO THERE'S A PORTION THAT WILL DO THAT AS WELL.
THAT BEING SAID, WE KNOW TO SOME DEGREE CHICK-FIL-A IS A DESTINATION.
PEOPLE WILL COME TO THIS LOCATION.
SO ALL THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ADD THE CHICK-FIL-A TRAFFIC TO THESE DRIVEWAYS AND TO THE INTERSECTION.
AND THAT'S ALL IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THEY'LL CONSIDER PAST FIVE TRAFFIC ALREADY.
YOU ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY WAS A DESTINATION.
THAT WE WEREN'T TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TRAFFIC GROUP ON THOSE.
THAT'S A BIG CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GET 30% OF OUR, 40% OF OUR TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE I'M THROUGH MILES STRIP.
I'M GONNA GO INTO THE BP PLAZA ENTRANCE BECAUSE I GOT AN ARROW.
I'M NOT GONNA DRIVE UP ANOTHER 50, 60 YARDS AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT FROM MILES STRIP INTO THE, INTO THE PLAZA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THAT TO BE HONEST.
WELL I, I, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
AND I THINK ANY NORMAL SAME PERSON, WHEN THEY KNOW THAT TRAFFIC, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE LIGHT AND THEN CUT THROUGH HORTON'S AND GO THROUGH THE BYPASS RATHER THAN STAND IN LINE WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO CHICK-FIL-A.
BUT IT IS A PRETTY, I KNOW YOU MAY DO THAT, BUT IT IS SOMEWHAT INDIRECT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO YOU, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR TRAFFIC.
HOW ABOUT TAKE TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO CHICK-FIL-A FROM MATRI? I CAN TELL YOU HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE
UM, AND I, I JUST WANNA COME BACK TO THE POINT THAT AMY MADE BECAUSE IT REALLY IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND DREW UNDERSTANDS AS WELL.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS CHICK-FIL-A, WE WOULD BE MAKING A BIG ADJUSTMENT BASED ON PASS BY TRIPS BECAUSE IT REDUCES OUR TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
BOTH THE DOT, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS ALLOW US TO DO THAT ON ALMOST EVERY PROJECT.
HOWEVER, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR USE, AMY MADE SURE THAT THEY DID A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND DIDN'T TAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
THAT ADJUSTMENT, EVEN FOR A CHICK-FIL-A WOULD PROBABLY BE 20 TO 30%, 20 TO 25% MOST.
MOST FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, IT'S UM, SO TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN, IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT 10 OR 11 SECONDS BECAUSE YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THE CHANGING OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION THAT'S BLOCKING THIS DRIVEWAY.
SEE IF I CAN JUST DIGRESS ON THAT ONE.
YOU'RE PULLING, YOU'RE GOING IN ON A LEFT.
NOW IS THAT GONNA BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY COMING OUT OF THERE? NO.
SO THAT I GOTTA, IF I'M GONNA MAKE A LEFT IN THERE, I HAVE TO CONTEND WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO MAKE A LEFT COMING OUT OF THERE AND CUTTING OFF MY PATH.
BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING THE LEFT IN, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S THE LEFT OUT THAT HAS TO YIELD TO YOU.
THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE LIFT.
SO, BUT SO YOU'VE TAKEN THAT CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU SAID 10 TO 11 SECONDS? YES, YES, YES.
IT WAS MODELED AS A FULL ACCESS.
I GO THERE TOMORROW AND I WANT TO TURN IN THERE AND I HAVE MY STOP.
IT WOULD TAKE ME LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHICK-FIL-A CONNECT.
SO WHY SHOULD WE? IT'S AN AVERAGE THAT'S AN AVERAGE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WITH BOTH OF THESE DRIVEWAYS IS A GAP ANALYSIS.
AND WHAT'S THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE LOOKED AT THE THROUGH TRAFFIC ON MILES STRIP AND MCKINLEY THAT'S PASSING BOTH OF THESE DRIVEWAYS TO SEE IF THERE ARE SUFFICIENT GAPS IN THE EXISTING TRAFFIC TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS DRIVEWAY TO MAKE LEFT IN AND LEFTS OUT.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT GAPS FOR PROJECTING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE THOSE MOVEMENTS AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT MOVEMENT WITH NOT, WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
AMY, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN ASKED, AND IT COMES UP IN A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS, IS WHEN THOSE
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TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE DONE AND WAS IT DONE DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE LOWER AND DID YOU ADD A, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A QUESTION WE GET ON A LOT OF PROJECTS.OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE DONE IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
SO, UH, WE WERE STILL UNDER THE PANDEMIC.
UM, TO SOME DEGREE TRAFFIC VOLUMES WE FOUND ARE STARTING TO COME BACK.
THEY WERE COMING BACK IN MARCH.
HOWEVER, PER NEW YORK STATE DOT GUIDELINES AND NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER GUIDELINES, WE DID MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUMES, TRAFFIC FOR COVID AND FOR THE LOWER TRAFFIC VOLUMES SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AS IF IT WAS PRE PANDEMIC.
WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AND YOU WERE BUILDING THE DATA FOR THIS SITE AND YOU WERE BASING OFF THE DATA AND THE GREASE NEW YORK SITE.
THE GREECE NEW YORK DATA WAS PULLED FROM NOVEMBER OF 20, OH, I'M SORRY, NOT NOVEMBER.
WHY WAS IT PULLED FROM DATA THAT'S ALMOST THREE YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT? WASN'T THERE, WAS THERE A MORE RECENT DATA POINT WE COULD PULL? LIKE WHAT WAS THE REASONING IN THAT? SO HONESTLY, THAT DATA WAS TAKEN SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT SITE OPENED.
SO IT'S PROBABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS NOW.
UM, SO IT'S EVEN MORE CONSERVATIVE, BUT THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE WE DID A POST STUDY ON THAT SITE SIX MONTHS AFTER IT OPENED.
SO THAT WOULD BASED ON BE BASED ON REAL WORLD DATA RATHER THAN PROJECTION.
AND AT THE TIME THAT THE ONLY STORE IN THE ROCHESTER MARKET, BUT WHY WAS IT COMPARED TO A ROCHESTER STORE AND NOT ANOTHER BUFFALO STORE? LIKE I'M THINKING, AND I'M ALSO WONDERING LIKE THE QUEUING LENGTH OF THAT ROCHESTER STORE BECAUSE CHICK-FIL-A KEEPS T THE AMAZING QUEUING SPACE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS ONE AND HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE IT'S GONNA BE EFFICIENTLY ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH, WHICH I THINK WILL BE A HUGE DRAW IF IT TRULY CAN PULL IT UP.
BUT THAT'S ALSO GONNA INCREASE THE TRAFFIC COMING IN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THESE DATA POINTS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS READING THE REPORTS AND I'M LIKE, OH, THIS DATA'S REALLY KIND OF OLD, WHY DID THEY PICK THAT? WHAT WAS THE REASONING? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, SO THAT DATA WAS READILY AVAILABLE TO US, UM, AND IT WAS MORE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST STORE IN THE MARKET.
IT WAS SIX MONTHS AFTER IT OPENED.
SO IT'S HIGH DATA AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND PROJECT OUT, YOU KNOW, THE MAXIMUMS OF DATA THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MODELING IT CORRECTLY AND PROJECT PROJECTING ANY POTENTIAL MITIGATION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR IT.
UM, ALSO SO THAT DATA YOU'RE TELLING ME IS HIGHER THAN THE DATA WE WOULD'VE SEEN AT LIKE THE GALLERIA? YES.
WE ALSO LOOKED CICERO, SO GREECE WAS THE FIRST OF ROCHESTER MARKET THROUGH SIX MONTHS AFTER OPENING, COLLECTING THAT DATA.
AND THEN CICERO AND SYRACUSE, I THINK IT WAS FOUR MONTHS AFTER OPENING.
SO THAT'S REALLY, WE STARTED UNDERSTANDING WHAT CHICK-FIL-A IS DOING.
WHEN THOSE, THOSE MARKETS OPENED, HOW ARE THEY IN COMPARISON TO THE CURRENT MARKET THAT YOU'RE TARGETING AT THIS MCKINLEY SITE? IS IT POPULATION AND ALL OTHER FACTORS CONSIDERED PRETTY SIMILAR? UM, IT'S, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TWO SITES AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, LIKE TAKING THE KIDS TO AND FROM DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS THESE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, YOU KNOW, SUMMER VACATION, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
I KEEP STOPPING BY THE TWO SITES OUT HERE AND THEY STILL HAVE TRAFFIC AT ALL HOURS.
LIKE I WAS AT, YEAH, THE CHICK-FIL-A AT 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING DRIVING BY ON WALDEN AND THEY WERE OUT TOWARDS WALDEN AND I'M LIKE, PEOPLE, IT'S 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, IT'S GOTTA BE SOME GOOD CHICKEN.
SO, UM, THIS SITE, MILES STRIP ROAD AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY MILES STRIP ROAD CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 20,000 CARS A DAY NO, NO, I'M STILL ASKING THOUGH.
SO MILES STRIP CARRIES ABOUT 20,000 CARS A DAY.
MCKINLEY CARRIES ABOUT 10,000 CARS A DAY.
RIDGE ROAD IN GREECE WHERE THE GREASE SITE IS LOCATED IS ABOUT 45,000 CARS A DAY.
SO IT'S A MUCH HIGHER VOLUME ROADWAY, BIGGER MARKET.
BUT THERE'S LIKE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU'RE ANTICIPATING COMING THROUGH THESE STORES.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING, LIKE HOW ARE WE COMPARING APPLES AND APPLES? LIKE I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DATA.
SO, SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE BEING CONSERVATIVE 'CAUSE THE GREECE STORE FIRST TO MARKET SIX MONTHS AFTER IT OPENED HIGHER VOLUME ROADWAY, MORE, UH, DENSE POPULATION AREA.
'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY OF ROCHESTER AND THE TOWN OF GREECE.
UM, SO I WOULD, AND WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCOUNT OFF THE GREASE VOLUMES TO PROJECT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR THIS STORE.
BUT HONESTLY I REALLY THINK WE'RE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE AND OVER PROJECTING THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES FOR THIS STORE.
SO YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, HONESTLY, THE GREASE STORE WAS GONNA OUTPERFORM YES.
THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IF YOU EVER GO AND LOOK AT THE GREASE STORE IS THAT THAT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL SITE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM ON SITE TO STACK THE QUEUING THAT THIS STORE HAS.
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STORE HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ONSITE QUEUING.SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ANY TRAFFIC GOING TO THIS CHICK-FIL-A WILL BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AND NOT BACKING OUT ONTO THE ROADWAYS AT ALL.
AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT THIS EXISTING PARKING LOT, UM, MILES TO, WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED LEFT TURN WAIT TIME TO COME OUT THE CHICK-FIL-A AND MAKE A LEFT ON, SORRY, I JUST OUTTA 12 PAGES.
I DIDN'T YEAH, NO I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT OR EARMARK THAT ONE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT STICKING IN MY HAT ABOUT 13 TO 15 SECONDS.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S AN AVERAGE, RIGHT? IT'S AN AVERAGE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WAY OUR SOFTWARE MODEL WITH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE LANE FOR EXITING TRAFFIC.
SO IT DOES A WEIGHTED AVERAGE BETWEEN THE LEFT TURNS AND THE RIGHT TURNS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN ONE LANE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN AS YOU WILL A LEFT TURN.
SO I REALLY CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER FOR THE WAIT TIME.
FOR THE LEFT TURN IS THAT DURING THE AVERAGE? SO THAT'S 13 IS AN AVERAGE OF BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT? YES.
SO WHAT IS JUST THE LEFT WAIT TIME THOUGH? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S LIKE A STEP CUTOFF.
I KNOW THERE'S, IN OTHER STUDIES WE'VE HAD, THEY'VE DISCUSSED THAT AFTER A CERTAIN POINT PEOPLE BECOME A MORE IMPULSIVE AND YEAH.
SO REMEMBER I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S PROBABLY LONG BECAUSE IT'S 11 SECONDS TO MAKE A LEFT.
SO THEN THE AVERAGE BETWEEN THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT IS 13.
SO IF IT TAKES MAYBE FIVE SECONDS TO MAKE A RIGHT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY 25 SECONDS.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT STUDY WHERE WE, WE SAW THE LEFT HAND TURN SO, AND THEY HAD CONCERNS THAT AFTER CERTAIN POINTS IT INCREASES THE ACCIDENT RATES INCREASES.
IT'S, I, AFTER 60 SECONDS, WHEN YOU START SEEING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET ANXIOUS, FRUSTRATED.
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WAITING 60 SECONDS AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA GET GREET.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE AT A STOP SIGN AND YOU'RE WAITING, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND RIGHT AMY, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE START DOING STUFF THEY SHOULD BE OTHERWISE DOING.
AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT HAPPENING HERE.
AND THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEAK HOURS ANY OTHER TIME OF THE DAY, IT'S GONNA BE LESS TRAFFIC EASIER TO GET OUT AND MAKE THE LEFT TURN.
AND AS WE ALREADY MENTIONED, THEY DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THIS LEFT, YOU COULD INSTEAD COME HERE AND COME THIS WAY, MAKE THE LEFT AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
I GUESS IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO, YOU COULD COME ALL THE WAY UP HERE.
WHY WOULDN'T NO, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, WHY WOULDN'T THAT, UM, AREA THAT MILES TO BEG THAT THERE BE A RIGHT HAND TURN OVER, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT MAKING IT A RIGHT HAND TURN? ONLY I CAN TELL YOU WHAT OWS WOULD SAY BECAUSE I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT RIGHT HAND TURNS IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T USE THEM PROPERLY.
PEOPLE TRY MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ANYWAYS.
THAT IS EXACTLY ON THIS PARTICULAR, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WOULD SAY.
WELL WE, WE HAD, WE HAD MR. HOPKINS ASKED HIM ON THIS ONE BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET STARBUCKS HAS A NO LEFT TURN SIGN.
AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A SIMILAR SIGN AND HE SAID NO.
WELL 'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST, HONESTLY IT WOULD TAKE AWAY YEAH.
AND IT'S FROM, IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION BUT IT PUTS US STOP A BIG CONCERN POINT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT IT PUTS US RIGHT BACK WITH WHERE, GET US STARTED BY SAYING GREAT THAT IT'S ON THE SIDE BUT PEOPLE ADORE IT AND THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY DOT IS SAYING.
SO DOT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THEY USED TO BE.
NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF WRITING WRITE OUT ONLY ANYMORE BECAUSE AGAIN, AS ED TOLD KAITLIN PEOPLE
BUT TWO, AND JUST IMPORTANTLY IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, THEY'VE REALLY BECOME WAY MORE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF CURB CUTS ONTO STATE HIGHWAYS.
WITH BRUNO'S, THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS SITE FROM DOT'S PERSPECTIVE IS ALL THE COUNTY, WE HAVE NO CURBS.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS COMPELLING ABOUT THIS SITE IS I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A COMPELLING REASON FOR SOMEBODY TO WANT TO MAKE A LEFT OUT ONTO MILES STRIP IF YOU KNOW THE AREA AT ALL.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE COMING OFF THE CLEARWAY, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GO RIGHT ANYWAYS AND IF YOU KNOW THE AREA AT ALL, BUT GIVEN WHERE THE EXIT IS FROM THE DRIVEWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO SHUTTLE YOU BACK INTO MCKINLEY.
MM-HMM
MM-HMM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A FAR LOWER TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER WAY TO GET AROUND.
I MEAN THAT MAY BE THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU ACTUALLY WANNA GO DOWN TO THE LIGHT AND COME LEFT MCKINLEY.
REMEMBER MCKINLEY'S REALLY HALF THE, OKAY.
DID YOU SAY AMY, HAVE I HEARD YOU RIGHT? 10,000 CARS ON MCKINLEY? YES.
I'M AS YOU SAID EARLIER TOO, AS YOU BILL IT, THEY WILL COME BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT SOUTH TOWN PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME HERE.
AND THEY'RE GONNA, SOUTH PARK IS UP THERE, MCKINLEY'S HERE, THEY CAN CUT
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THROUGH ROOF AND SOUTH.I THINK THAT 10 THOUSANDS GONNA INCREASE MY PERSONAL OPINION.
BUT MAKING A LEFT IS LEADING TO LEFT FROM MILES TRIP INTO MCKENLEY.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE HERE.
KEEP GOING INTO THE MCKINLEY EXIT IN HERE.
SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A TON OF PEOPLE DOING THAT BECAUSE GETTING TO THE DRIVE THROUGH IS WAY OVER HERE.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING IN THIS DIRECTION, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A LEFT AT THE LIGHT RIGHT INTO THE SITE.
IF YOU'RE IN THIS DIRECTION, YOU'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT THROUGH RIGHT INTO THE SITE.
WELL I'M JUST SAYING IF POSSIBLY THEY'LL DO THAT.
NOW WHEN THEY COME FROM THE SOUTH TOWNS, THEY'RE GONNA GO RIGHT INTO MCKINLEY ENTRANCE MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT, MAKE A LEFT SAME WAY THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A LEFT YES.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT TRAFFIC 10,000 MIGHT NOT INCREASE WHEN, WHEN CHICK-FIL-A GETS THERE.
I MEAN IT'LL INCREASE TO SOME DEGREE.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF MCKINLEY, THAT'S, WE'LL SEE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA DO.
IT'S GONNA BE MO WE DUNNO THAT.
WELL HE BILL MUST HAVE BOUGHT IT.
RESIDENTIAL, WE DUNNO IF IT'S GONNA BE RETAIL.
THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT DOESN'T OWN RESIDENTIAL.
WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, STILL BE ADD TRAFFIC.
YOU DON'T TRAFFIC LOOK AT ADD TRAFFIC.
WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, STANDARD PRACTICE IS TO INCLUDE ANY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA THAT WILL IMPACT THE TRAFFIC THAT ARE EITHER APPROVED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PLANNED, HASN'T BEEN INTO THE TOWN YET, MAYBE THEY'VE BEEN IN FOR ONE MEETING, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, SPECULATIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT TO, IN ORDER TO COVER THAT, WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL TRAFFIC DATA AND COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC GROWTH PROJECTION AND THEN WE ADD A PERCENTAGE ONTO THAT EXISTING TRAFFIC TO COVER THAT.
SO WE'RE PROJECTING LIKE, UH, WE CALL IT A BACKGROUND CONDITION.
SO IF CHICK A BACKGROUND GROWTH YEAH.
IF, IF CHICK-FIL-A NEVER WENT IN, THIS TRAFFIC'S STILL GONNA INCREASE TO SOME DEGREE AS MORE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS LIKE THE MALL.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE TURNING IN AND OUT.
YOU'LL BE GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH.
YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT AT THE LIGHT, YOU'LL BE TURNING AT THE INTERSECTION.
BUT MY POINT IS, WE INCLUDED A GROWTH RATE AND INCREASE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC TO COVER THESE TYPES OF THINGS LIKE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MALL.
I FOR ONE, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING PEAK HOURS, I AVOID THE PEAK HOURS.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES IT.
NO, THERE'S DEFINITELY PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT.
SO I, THIS PEAK HOURS THING ISN'T REALLY A CENTRAL THING WHEN I HEAR THAT.
BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY LEAVE LATER FOR WORK 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA GET STUCK ON THE NINETIES.
THEY DON'T WANNA STUCK TWO 19.
SO I'M JUST SAYING WHEN YOU SAID 10,000 CARS ON MCKINLEY, I THINK THAT'S GONNA INCREASE FROM TO CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THE WALDEN STORES NOW AND NOW OUT THERE.
I MEAN EVEN IF CHICK CHICK-FIL-A ADDS 2000 CARS A DAY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA ADD THAT MUCH.
AND IT WON'T BE ALL ON THAT ROADWAY.
THAT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL STORE AROUND.
YEAH, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE 5,000 CARS A NET.
IT'S A BRAND NEW
SO I, WITHIN THE TRACK THEY DID USE A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE, ANNUAL BACKGROUNDS WORK RATE OF 0.5%, MEANING IT'S ASSUMED REGARDLESS OF THIS PROJECT, THAT 0.5% INCREASE EVERY YEAR CUMULATIVELY.
BY THE WAY, WE DID DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WHEN THE TOWN BOARD DID DO THE INCENTIVE, DON FOR THAT SITE, AND I KNOW I'M GONNA GET FOOD FOR THIS, BUT BASICALLY THIS AREA CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE TRAFFIC.
THEY WANT MORE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS WHAT THIS AREA WAS DEVELOPED FOR, DEVELOPED FOR REGIONAL BALL WITH WHATEVER.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO THIS AREA FOR THAT AREA TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, 10,000 CARS PER DAY ON MCKINLEY IS IS SMALL POTATOES AND, AND, AND MILESTONES.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND CARS A DAY LIKE TRANSIT ROAD AND OTHER PLACES THAT WHAT THERE ARE IS GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP THE MALL.
IT IS A REGIONAL CENTER NEAR A, NEAR A THROUGHWAY INTERCHANGE.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND IT IS THAT WE WANNA REINVIGORATE THIS AREA.
IT IS A TOWN DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF IT, IT IS A MAJOR RETAIL CENTER OF THE TOWN, WHETHER IT'LL CONTINUE TO BE RETAIL OR NOT.
IT IS A MAJOR RETAIL AREA OF THE TOWN THAT HAS ROAD CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO JUST TELL YOU WHAT THE DEALING WAS.
THE TOWN WANTS TO SEE THE MCKINLEY BALL BECOME A REVITALIZED BALL.
IT IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH TO THINK THAT WHENEVER PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS, SOME PEOPLE ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.
WELL YOU HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT THE ROADS AND SAY WHAT ARE THOSE ROADS DESIGNED TO HANDLE? AND THAT IS WHAT THESE ROADS ARE ABOUT.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE HEAVY DUTY ROADS THAT HANDLE THAT.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA AVOID CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY.
I HAVE TRANSIT ROAD AND AMHERST I AVOID ON SATURDAYS.
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ON TRANSIT ROAD AMS ON A SATURDAY.THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT THROUGH ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
BUT ANYWAY, IT IS A, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AMY HERE.
IT IS AN INTERESTING TRAFFIC ISSUE.
THE NUMBERS ARE SAYING IT'S, IT'S FINE.
WE KNOW THERE'S SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS.
MATTER OF FACT, WE SHOULD TALK TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD ABOUT THEM WALKING, WORKING WITH THE ADJOINING MALL OWNER TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PEOPLE CUT ACROSS THE FRONT AND THEN THEY BLOCK THAT LANE AND NOW IT BLACKS UP, BACKS UP WITHIN THE PLAZA.
IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN DESIGNED THAT WAY.
YOU NEVER HAVE AND ENTER RIGHT ACROSS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET INTO A MAJOR INTERSECTION THAT SHOULD BE FIXED.
WHAT AMY'S SAYING AND WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY GO AND USE THAT.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE LOCAL TO THE AREA AND MAY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN DO THAT CUT THROUGH AND WANDER THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UM, BUT SHE, WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS, AND IS THE FACT THAT HER ANALYSIS IS SAYING THOSE TWO ENTRANCES, WHICH ARE PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION THAT EXISTS, WILL HANDLE THE TRAFFIC OF A CHICK-FIL-A.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS IN THE FUTURE OR NOT, IS GONNA BE THEY KNOW THE GRAND OPENING, WHETHER THAT'S FOR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK YOU BROUGHT AT THE FIRST MEETING IS THAT YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON WITH, WITH THE, THE GALLERIA ONE AND THE ONE IN LANCASTER.
WHAT DO THEY STACK AT THOSE? AND AND WE KNOW THEY STACK OUT INTO THE ROAD, THEY HAVE PROBLEMS THERE.
AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS TOO, THEY WERE BLOCKING SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE BUSINESS OWNER HERE SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I KNOW YOU SAID IT, THE FIRST MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STACKING FROM THOSE TWO VERSUS THIS ONE.
THE, THE FIRST TWO CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANTS IN THE BUFFALO AND ROCHESTER MARKETS WERE STANDALONE SITES THAT DIDN'T HAVE OVER OVERFLOW CAPACITY WITH THE NEIGHBORS GREECE RIGHT UP NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
VERY SMALL SITE, AN ACRE, ACRE AND A HALF.
AND THE STACKING CAPACITY OF THAT SITE WAS AROUND 20 WALDEN AVENUE THAT EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH, STACKING A COMBINATION OF 24.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT WHERE THAT DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE, YOU TAKE A RIGHT INTO THE SITE, IT BACKS UP RIGHT.
AND HERE WE HAVE A SITUATION, WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO STUFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
I JUST WANNA, FOR THE RECORD, YOU KNOW THAT INTERESTING.
YOU DID MENTION THE CONDITIONS, RIGHT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I I'D LIKE TO, TO KIND OF BRING UP, SO, SO FOUR, SINCE THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A SITE GRAND OPENING PLAN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS, I THINK WE SHOULD AMEND THAT TO BE A SITE GRAND OPENING PLAN AND A LOCAL EVENT PLAN FOR WHEN THERE'S OTHER LOCAL EVENTS.
I ALSO WANTED A CONDITION IN THERE AND I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A BIT REDUNDANT WITH SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT I, I WANT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT SAYS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL STACKING EVER BEYOND MCKINLEY OR, SO I KNOW THAT'S LIKE A POLICE ENFORCEMENT TYPE ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THEY'LL COME BACK WITH AN AMENDED STACKING PLAN OR SOMETHING TO US IF, IF THAT HAPPENS.
I THINK THE SITUATION WE'RE IN THERE IS A SITUATION THEY DON'T WANNA HAPPEN WITH THE STARBUCKS THAT'S ON CAMP ROAD WHERE THEY'RE STACKING INTO ON THE CAMP ROAD WITH THE NEW ONE.
WE NEVER WANT, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
WE WANT SOME, I GUESS WHETHER THAT IT'S, IT'LL NEVER, OR THAT IF IT BECOMES A MORE THAN A ONE-OFF EVENT THAT YOU GUYS WILL COME BACK WITH A PROVI, A AMENDED STACKING TO SOMEBODY.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD EVEN BE A ONE-OFF EVENT.
I THINK IF IT EVER HAPPENS, THEN EITHER IT'S A FAILURE AND IT HAS TO BE, SOMETHING HAS TO BE CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT HAPPENS JUST ONCE, THAT WOULD IN MY OPINION, BE A FAILURE OF THE WHOLE THING HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF EVALUATION.
WELL, EXCEPT, I MEAN REMEMBER, KEEP IN MIND IF THERE WAS A LITTLE FENDER BENDER HERE AND FOR SOME BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME, I MEAN THAT, THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO, THAT'S TEMPORARY MATERIAL.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AS LONG AS YOU BRING UP A FENDER BENDER.
YEAH, HE'S DARN HEARD YOUR TRAFFIC QUESTION.
OKAY, SO THE ACCIDENT DATA RATE WAS FROM NOVEMBER OF 2017 TO OCTOBER OF 2020.
AND THE CRASH RATE AT THE INTERSECTION UP THERE IS A 1.4, BUT THE STATE AVERAGE WAS A 0.54.
THE STATE AVERAGE, IS THAT BASED ON THE EXACT SAME PERIOD OF TIME? OR IS THAT A NORM NUMBER THAT YOU GET NO MATTER WHAT THE PERIOD OF TIME WAS THAT YOU YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT THE STATE HAS.
BUT IT IS, IT'S AN AVERAGE NUMBER OVER THREE YEARS WORTH OF DATA FOR SIMILAR TYPES OF INTERSECTIONS ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
SO THAT THREE YEAR DATA THEN WOULD BE FROM LIKE WHEN THIS REPORT WAS GENERATED? NO, IT IS NOT THE SAME THREE YEARS.
IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE THE STATE'S ALWAYS BEHIND WITH THAT.
THAT'S MY EXACT CONCERN THOUGH, IS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC CRASH RATES THAT WE HAVE COVERS THE PERIOD OF COVID WHERE TRAFFIC WAS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED.
IT COVERS MARCH TO OCTOBER OF 2020 AND
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IF THE STATE AVERAGE IS LAGGING BEHIND THE STATE AVERAGE IS A FIVE POINT OR A 0.54, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN DURING A HIGHER TRAFFIC PERIOD.AND THE CRASH RATE AT THIS INTERSECTION WAS A 1.4 AND IT HAS A LARGE CHUNK OF SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED TRAFFIC.
WHICH MAKES ME THINK THAT THAT CRASH GATHER RATE ISN'T, IT COULD BE EVEN, IT COULD BE EVEN HIGHER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE ALARMING BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST THREE TIMES THE STATE AVERAGE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT TIME, I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOVEMBER 1ST, IT WAS NOVEMBER 1ST, 2017 TO OCTOBER 31ST, 2020.
SO IT WAS ONLY THE FINAL SIX MONTHS OF YEAR THREE AFTER COVID.
BUT IT'S STILL BEING COMPARED.
IT STILL HAS THAT AVERAGE AND RIGHT FOR THE FIRST, I WANNA, LET'S BE HONEST, BUT AT LEAST THE FIRST MONTH OF COVID WE WERE ALL PRETTY MUCH HOME.
NOBODY WAS OUT DOING ANYTHING THEY DIDN'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO AND NOT TAKING ANY CHANCES.
SO IT'S JUST, WE'VE SEEN DATA CRASH DATA RATES DURING THAT PERIOD AND CRASH REPORTS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT EVEN WE HAVE A SIX MONTH PERIOD OUT OF THE THREE YEAR PERIOD IN THERE.
ONE SIX OF THE OVERALL, I MEAN I COULD, I COULD GO BACK AND TAKE THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD OUT AND REDO THE CRASH RATE CALCULATION, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS MAKING A DETERMINATION AS FAR AS MITIGATION GOES.
IT'S AN EXISTING PROBLEM THAT NEW YORK STATE POT HAS WITH THIS INTERSECTION.
BUT BY ADDING MORE CARS TO IT, AREN'T WE GONNA INHERENTLY INCREASE THAT CRASH RATE EVEN MORE? LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL, RIGHT, THAT WHEN YOU'RE ADDING TRAFFIC, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN LIKE IT'S ALREADY JUST BY LOOKING AT YOUR DATA.
THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK TO ME WAS, OH MY GOODNESS, THAT'S NOT A LITTLE WORSE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OTHER TWO INTERSECTIONS, THEY'RE WAY LESS.
WAIT IF THAT STATE BEING COMPARED STATE AVERAGE, THAT'S ALL INTERSECTIONS IN THE ENTIRE STATE.
SO INCLUDING RURAL, VERY RURAL INTERSECTIONS? NO, NO COMPARABLE INTERSECTIONS.
NO, IT'S COMPARABLE INTERSECTIONS THEY HAVE.
SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CRASH RATES, WHETHER IT'S SIGNALED HOW MANY LANES IT HAS, WHAT TYPE OF AN URBAN AREA IT IS IN VERSUS A RURAL.
SO IT'S PRETTY, THEY'RE TRYING TO COMPARE SIMILAR, WE'VE HAD DATA MUCH LESS MEANING.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, AND IT IS CABLE TWO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND MILES STRIP, THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE RATE FOR THAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION, 0.54.
WHAT WAS OBSERVED OVER THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD WAS 1.40.
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT ON THE, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEN IF LOOK, THAT'S THE 1.40, RIGHT? SO NOW IF YOU LOOK AT MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND RAYMORE FLANAGAN DRIVEWAY, THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE IS 0.18 AND WE'RE AT 0.06.
SO WE'RE AT 33% OF WHAT THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE WOULD BE THERE.
AND THEN WHAT, JUST DOWN AT ONE, RIGHT? YES, I KNOW, RIGHT.
AND THEN INTERSECTION OF MILES STRIP ROAD AND THE RAYMORE FLAG AND DRIVEWAY AND STARBUCKS DRIVEWAY, THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE IS 0.31 AND WE'RE AT 0.07, SO WE'RE LESS THAN 25% OF IT.
BUT THAT'S DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME WHEN REMARK PLANNING WAS CLOSED.
SO YOU'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL TRAFFIC, THE WHOLE OTHER.
BUT YOU'RE OH, THE TIME THERE WAS LESS TRAFFIC POINTS THAT THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, WHICH SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT WAS A VACANT BUILDING.
FAIR ENOUGH FOR PART OF THAT PERIOD FOR TOYS OR US HAS BEEN CLOSED, RIGHT? CLOSED FOR, I'M GONNA LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW.
IT WASN'T THAT LONG FOR A LONG.
YOU KNOW HOW LONG MAY, MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT THEY STILL, ALRIGHT.
REMEMBER AS TREVOR INDICATED LAST, IT'LL STILL BE UTILIZED ON SO AS TRAFFIC TO INTERSECTION, I CAN'T SAY YOU'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE POTENTIAL FOR CRASHES.
IT'S JUST, IT'S AN INTERSECTION THAT THE TRAFFIC DATA WAS A LITTLE ALARMING.
HOW THEN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS MM-HMM
AND WHAT DID THE NUMBER MEAN? AND I AGREE THE OTHER TWO POINTS ARE LOWER, BUT YOU'RE ALSO COMPARING IT WITH A VACANT LOT.
SO, SO IT IS NOT, IT, IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN TO SAY THAT WHEN THERE'S NOTHING NO VIABLE BUSINESS IN THE LOT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THAT TIME, THAT THAT LOT DATA IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING TO BE GOING ON THERE.
SO, UM, SO EVEN WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC DATA LIKE THIS CRASH DATA AND WE SEE HIGH, UH, NUMBERS OF CRASHES AND HIGH CRASH RATES, THEN
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WE LOOK MORE INTO THE DATA AND SEE WHAT TYPES OF CRASHES WE HAVE AND IF WE SEE A PATTERN IN ANY KIND OF A PROBLEM.AND THE, THE TYPES OF CRASHES THAT WE SAW AT THIS INTERSECTION WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE DIDN'T SEE ANY PATTERNS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
OH, IF WE CHANGED THE YELLOW INTERVAL ON THE SIGNAL IT COULD CORRECT THIS OR MAYBE THE SUN'S IN PEOPLE'S EYES, RIGHT.
AT THIS TIME OF NIGHT, IS IT A SEASON? IS IT A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR? RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD BE DOING AS A COMMUNITY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THIS ADDITIONAL DRAW OF TRAFFIC MAY HAVE? LIKE IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD BE DOING TO NOT ENCOURAGE AND INCREASE RISK IN THE TRAFFIC? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE ASK PEOPLE STUFF, ASK OTHER DRIVERS.
YOU, YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IS REAR, YOU SEE A LOT OF REAR RIGHT? IT'S, YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, BUT I'M JUST, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN PROACTIVELY DO AS A COMMUNITY TO JUST, IF WE'RE GONNA BRING IN A BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE TRAFFIC DRAW AND THAT'S AWESOME, LIKE THAT'S GREAT, BUT LET'S ALSO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AND TRY TO MAKE SMART CHOICES.
AND THE TWO BIG THINGS WITH CRASHES ARE DISTRACTED DRIVING AND SPEEDS.
SO GET PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR PHONES DOWN AND SLOW DOWN.
AND WE CAN'T CONTROL THE SPEED ON THOSE ROADS BECAUSE THOSE ARE DOT CONTROLLED ROADS.
THOSE AREN'T TOWN CONTROLLED ROADS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF, I THINK AMY WOULD AGREE THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE DESIGN THAT'S IN CURRENTLY FLAWED.
I MEAN THE STREETS ARE COMING IN AT THE RIGHT ANGLE, SO THERE'S NOTHING WHERE YOU CAN GO BACK THERE AND SAY, WELL WE MAKE THIS CHANGE OR IF WE ADD THIS, WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER.
JUST PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING WELL AND SAY NOT CARRYING A HUGE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
NOT HUGE NUMBERS, THEY'RE NOT HUGE NUMBERS.
THAT BEING SAID, THE NUMBERS DURING PEAK HOURS, THE DAILY NUMBERS ARE NOT HUGE NUMBERS.
AND WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS? THE NUMBERS DURING PEAK HOURS, AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE ANTICIPATING THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THAT AREA DURING PEAK HOURS FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A OR IN GENERAL? WELL WHEN THE CHICK-FIL-A'S THERE, LIKE THAT WHOLE AREA WHEN THE CHICK-FIL-A IS IN OPERATION, WHAT ARE PROJECTING THE, NO, I'M SORRY, YOU JUST MENTIONED I THAT, THERE WE GO.
SO DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? SO THE WAY WE DID THIS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT? PIECE OF FIGURES, RIGHT? SO THIS SHOWS TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS.
SO IT SHOWS THE ACTUAL VOLUME FOR EACH TURNING MOVEMENT AT EACH INTERSECTION, THE MAIN INTERSECTION AND AT THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THIS IS FIGURE EIGHT, WHICH IS THE LAST FIGURE IN THE REPORT.
SO THIS SHOWS THE PROJECTION FOR FULL BUILD OUT WITH CHICK-FIL-A ONCE EVERYTHING'S SAID AND DONE UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS.
IS THAT ON A PEAK TIME OR, YES.
SO THERE'S TWO NUMBERS ON HERE.
THERE'S, AND THERE'S THE LAST PAGE.
SO LIKE MAYBE PAGE HUNDRED AND 10 ISH? NO, NO, NO.
AT THE PAGE BEFORE THE APPENDIX.
SO OKAY, I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP IN FRONT OF ME SO THAT I HAVE THE SAME, THE REPORT ITSELF IS PROBABLY ABOUT 15 PAGES LONG.
IT MIGHT BE MAYBE 20 PAGES IN OR SO TO THE PDF FILE.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FIGURE EIGHT, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S TWO NUMBERS FOR EACH MOVEMENT.
THE FIRST NUMBER IS THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR NUMBER AND THE NUMBER IN PARENTHESES IS THE SATURDAY PEAK HOUR NUMBER.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE LEFT TURN OUT OF THIS RAINWATER FLANIGAN DRIVEWAY FROM CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE WITH CHICK-FIL-A, I SHOULD SAY WE'RE PROJECTING 14 LEFT TURNS DURING A PM PEAK HOUR AND 19 ON SATURDAY.
SO, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE GIVEN US.
AND SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL IMPACT ON TRAFFIC? LIKE DURING A PEAK HOUR WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE A HUNDRED MORE CARS.
A THOUSAND MORE CARS, 10 MORE CARS, OR WE DON'T HAVE THAT GAS.
SO DURING THE PEAK HOURS, YOU SHOULD EXPECT THIS POOR WOMAN NEVER GONNA WANNA COME FROM
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OH, HE WAS TELLING US.SO YOU KNOW ALL NEW YORK, YEAH.
AND I HAVE FAMILY OUT THIS WAY TOO, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR AREA.
UM, SO THE PM PEAK HOUR, WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 45 ENTERING NEW TRIPS AND 41 EXITING NEW TRIPS.
UM, THE TOTAL ENTERING AND EXITING THE DRIVEWAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT 89 IN 80 OUT.
SO ALL THE DRIVEWAYS OR JUST BAD, THAT'S ALL THE DRIVEWAYS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS THREE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, SURE.
I MEAN WE ASSUME THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC SO NOT BE WELL NO, I DON'T KNOW PATIENTS AT ALL ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THIS.
WE'VE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST AN HOUR AND QUEUING ON EVERY CAR, EVERYTHING GOING IN THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS ABOUT THE MCKINLEY MALL NOW? WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT GETS SOLD? IT'S WHATEVER'S HAPPENING THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS EVEN NEARER WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY START SELLING? THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE SO MUCH ALL OVER THAT, THAT THIS LITTLE BIT MEANS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT THAT MALL AND WHAT WE USED TO HAVE HERE IN HAMBURG.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER WHAT IT USED TO BE, BUT THAT WAS A HECK OF A LOT MORE.
SO MY ONLY POINT THEN WOULD BE IS THAT IF YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THEN YOU HAVE TO PETITION THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BOARD TO LIMIT THE MCKINLEY MALL.
YOU CAN'T HIT TELL 'EM YOU CAN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT ALL THIS TRAFFIC HERE.
MY GOD, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IF THE MALL GETS GOING AGAIN? ARE YOU GUYS GONNA STOP EVERYTHING GOING ON? THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS? WELL, MY GOD, THE MC MCKINNEY MALL, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WAS THERE AROUND YOUR EVENT THAT WAS IN ORANGE? WE'RE TALKING
NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC, WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW? IT GETS SOLD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE ALL THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC.
SO WHAT GONNA DO, YOU GOTTA SHUT THE MCKINNEY MALL DOWN.
I'M, WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT EIGHT CARS? IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
NEIGHBORS WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THERE.
ARE WE GONNA BE COMING DOWN? MCKINLEY MALL GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MCKINLEY MALL? YES IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S GONNA ADD TRAFFIC.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S NOT KIND OF ARGUE.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS HIS DOUG'S POINT, AND I THINK DREW MADE IT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS INTERSECTION WAS DESIGNED FOR THE MALL AND WHEN THE MALL WAS GOING, THERE WAS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC HERE THAN THERE IS NOW.
OKAY, DENNIS, THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GONNA BE GONNA COME LIKE AMHERST OR WILLIAMSVILLE? I DON'T SEE HOW A HUNDRED EXTRA CARS PUTS US ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, AMHERST AND WILLIAMSVILLE, THOSE, THOSE ROADS HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND CARS A DAY.
THIS IS THE MCKINLEY IS 20, A HUNDRED EXTRA CARS.
DOESN'T PUT US ANYWHERE NEAR IN THAT, THAT RANGE.
BUT THEY ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE, THIS INFORMATION WE SHOULD HAVE.
AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR AN HOUR, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS HOUR HAS BEEN MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN THE LAST THREE THAT WE SPENT TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC HERE.
UM, BUT I I MEAN I DO, WE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME.
YEAH, AND IT'S, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, IT'S MORE, WE HAD THE MCKINLEY MALL WHEN IT'S PEAK, RIGHT? I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF CARS.
A LOT OF CARS, THERE WERE MORE CARS.
WELL, I WAS GONNA MAKE THE POINT BEFORE THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE CONGESTION, PEOPLE ARE GOING SLOWER, YOU MAY ACTUALLY END UP HAVING FEWER ACCIDENTS OR LOWER OR LOWER
YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE INTELLIGENCE.
THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF TRAFFIC SURVEYS.
YOU HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS, BUT THEY'RE MINOR ACCIDENTS IN ROUNDABOUTS IN PARTICULAR.
SO I WAS GONNA ASK RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU PLANNING TO CLOSE OFF THE OPENING ON THE BACKSIDE? THE ONE THAT USED TO BE RUBY TUESDAYS BACK.
I DID MY SLOW CREEPY ROLL ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN UNOFFICIAL EGRESS ROUTE IN BETWEEN AT THE BACK THERE.
ARE YOU GONNA RETAIN THAT OR ARE THEY PLANNING TO BLOCK THAT BACK OFF AGAIN? I DON'T, THAT'S OUTSIDE OUR LIVINGS OF WORK.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE RAIN PLAN.
AGAIN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, I, IN, IN MY CREEPY SLOW ROLE, SOMEBODY ELSE CAME PAST ME AND I FELT REALLY WEIRD SOMEBODY ELSE COMING BACK AROUND THE BUILDING.
BUT RIGHT NOW ALL THE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, THE PIECES YOU PUT IN FRONT OF PARKING SPACES, WHEEL STOPS.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM THAT ARE MOVED TO THE SIDE.
SO THERE'S AN ARTIFICIAL CUT THROUGH.
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WHY NOT FOR LARGE TRUCK RIGHT BEHIND THE RAIN AND FLANIGAN RIGHT NOW, I GUESS THIS IS PROBABLY'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO TO PHRASE IT.ARE YOU GONNA KEEP IT THERE OR ARE YOU GONNA BLOCK IT? WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES THERE WOULD, WE WANT THEM TO KEEP IT, WE WANT THEM TO BLOCK IT, I GUESS A QUICKER WAY TO TRY AND GET TO WHETHER POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CARE.
BUT IT, YOU COULD, SOMEBODY WOULD REMOVE THE EXCESS CONCRETE PIECES SO THEY'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IF YOU'RE GOING ENCOURAGE DRIVING, ENCOURAGE IT TO BE SAFE.
WE'RE SURVEY ALL THAT BARKING AND WHEEL STOP.
SO, SO YOU'RE WHERE AGAIN, THERE'S SOME CONCRETE TRASH TYPE THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS IN THE BACK.
WE'D LIKE YOU TO, UH, THEY'RE NOT YOUR SIDE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BACK HERE.
SOMEBODY SLID LIKE THREE OF THOSE WHEEL STOPS ON THE WAY.
SO THEY'RE NOW ALL IN FRONT OF ONE SPOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHOSE PROPERTY THEY'RE ON, BUT IF YOU WANT TO THE TRAFFIC, WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE THEM BACK.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S ON OFFICIAL THOSE PARKING SPACES ON WHEEL STOPS ARE ON OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
WE CAN GO TELL THEM TO MOVE THEM BACK OR HE CAN MOVE THEM BACK IF, I MEAN, I, I JUST KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE ATTENDING BECAUSE I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT MENTIONED FOUR INTERSECTION, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTED.
HAPPY TO TAKE DON'T, THE OTHER POINT TREVOR WANTED TO MAKE IS THE OTHER POINT, TREVOR, THE OTHER POINT TREVOR WANTED TO MAKE IS OBVIOUSLY THE LANDLORD IS OWNER OF THE SITE, IS WHEN IT COMES TO SNOW STORAGE, REST ASSURED, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS A LANDLORD.
SECOND, ALL THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE BLOCKING ACCESS THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS EMPLOYEES AND MORE IMPORTANT EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WE CAN HANDLE SNOWSTORM.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION I THINK.
SO WHEN CHICK FOLKS AND BULLET FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT SNOW STORES, THEY'RE SPEAKING ON THEIR OWN BEHALF.
EVERYTHING INSIDE THIS GUIDELINE CALL PORTION, THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT AFTER THAT.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY, I HAVE EIGHT OTHER LOCATIONS IN BUFFALO, NEW YORK.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE WE CAN MOVE AND PILE THE SNOW.
WE'VE GOT A NATIONAL CONTRACT.
WE OWN 13 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF REAL ESTATE IN SEVEN STATES.
UM, IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
AND I THINK TO SEAN'S OTHER POINT, RIGHT, THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD SITE FOR US AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO US IS, I THINK I SPOKE ABOUT LAST MONTH, IS SAFETY OF OUR ASSOCIATES AND OUR CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? WE ARE, WE'RE CUSTOMER FOCUSED.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR ASSOCIATES HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY, SO EARN A LIVING WAGE HERE.
AND SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY IN A FIRST CLASS CONDITION AT THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER? IT'S NOT ALL EVERY PROJECT WHERE WE GET SOMEONE THAT WE CAN ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO.
NO, IT'S SUPER HELPFUL THOUGH BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH OF THE DATA THAT YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DATA POINTS ARE DRAWN FROM AND OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST LEFT TO MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
SO IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND CLARIFY WHY CERTAIN DATA POINTS WERE USED AS BASELINES OR NORMS. AND AMY AMY'S BEEN INVOLVED IN ALMOST ALL THE CHICK-FIL-A IS ACROSS THE STATE.
ALRIGHT, SO SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A PROGRAM, NOT JUST ON THE SITE AND LOCAL EXPERTISE, BUT ALSO COMING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN COME IN FRONT OF US ON OTHER PROJECTS.
LIKE, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND UH, WE, WE DID HAVE SPENT A WAY, WAY MORE TIME ON TRAFFIC THAN WE USUALLY DO ON THIS PROJECT.
BUT THE TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE, IN MY OPINION, HAS BEEN A BIT MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN A LOT OF THE TIME.
YOU'VE HAD BEEN BEFORE THIS BEFORE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU.
YOU HAVE A PART TWO TWO WE SHOULD GO OVER.
YEAH, AND IT'S GONNA BE QUICK.
I GAVE, I GAVE YOU THE PART TWO, YOU CAN EVEN GET A SHORT FORM FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
BUT THE APPLICANT WENT AND FILL OUT A FULLY AF I MEAN LET'S CUT THE IMPACT ON LAND.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE IMPACTING LAND.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS A MODERATE OR LARGE IMPACT FROM THIS BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY A DEVELOPED SITE ALREADY.
UM, IMPACT ON GEOLOGICAL FEATURES.
THERE'S NO IMPORTANT GEOLOGICAL FEATURES HERE.
VERY RARELY DO I CHECK THIS BOX? NO, YOU COULD CHECK IT, YES.
BUT REALLY IT'S ALL EXISTING AS TAMMY PUT IN A REPORT.
IT'S ALL EXISTING, UH, DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.
I CHECK NO IMPACT ON FLOODING.
WE'RE ON THE FLOODPLAIN OR ANY AIR THAT'S FLOODING IMPACT ON AIR.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN AIR PERMIT.
IT'S A STANDARD, A STANDARD COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
UM, IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
NOTHING AGAIN, DEVELOPED SITE.
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MAP OR ABOUT AGRICULTURAL.I THINK WE COULD EASILY DO THAT.
I WENT BACK AND FORTH, BUT AGAIN, TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT ITS IMPORTANT, AESTHETIC RESOURCES ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWN.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS AREA THAT'S AN IMPORTANT AESTHETIC RESOURCE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WE'RE INTERESTED IN KEEPING THE TOWN HIGH, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY DESIGN.
BUT THIS IS THE QUESTION RELATED TO AESTHETIC RESOURCES, HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL.
AGAIN, NOTHING SHOWS UP AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S A DISTURBED SITE.
IMPACT OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
NO, THERE AREN'T ANY UH, UH, OPEN SPACE IDENTIFIED IN ADMISSIBLE OPEN SPACE PLAN ON THIS SITE OR ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
WE'RE NOT IN A CEA TOWN IS BLESSED WITH ONE OF THE ONLY CEAS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
THIS IS NOT NEAR THE CEA TRANSPORTATION WILL COME BACK TO THAT IS THE ONE DEFINITELY THAT CHECKED.
UH, ENERGY IT DOES CAN CAUSE THE INCREASE OF ENERGY BUT NOTHING TO THE LEVEL THAT WOULD BE A MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT.
THIS IS THE ENERGY USER NOISE, ODOR AND LIGHT.
AND AGAIN, YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN ON IF YOU WANNA BE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE, YOU COULD HAVE LIGHT SHINING ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND YOU COULD HAVE UM, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH UH UH, UM, SKY AT NIGHT.
WHAT I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE ARE DARK, DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND SHIELDED LIGHT.
SO I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOTICEABLE IMPACT BECAUSE THE DARK LIGHT AND THE AREA'S ALREADY LIT UP LIKE CRAZY.
BUT I, I WANTED TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND NOT IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA ABOUT CONTAMINANTS OR EXISTING CONTAMINATION IN THIS AREA.
IT WAS GOOD THAT IT DIDN'T COME UP AS A GROUND FIELD OR A TOXIC WASTE SITE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT PUMPING OUT THE ODOR FROM THE LIKE THE OH GOOD.
GOOD QUESTION ON THE ODOR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
LIKE SOME RESTAURANTS PUMP OUT LIKE SOME WAY I'LL PUMP OUT THE BAKING BREAD TO MAKE YOU WANNA BUY YOUR ITEMS. IT'S COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, IT'S ON HERE'S THAT'S WHY NO, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE YOU WON'T ABLE.
FRESHERS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I JUST, I NOTICED THAT, I NOTICED AT THE EAFI WANNA MAKE SURE BACK WE WERE COVERING TRACK IMPACT ON COMMUNITY PLANS.
IS IT NOT CONSISTENT WITH WITH ADOPTED LAND USE PLANS? THIS IS THE LAND USE PATTERN OF THE AREA.
THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN IN THE ZONING OF THE TOWN.
BECAUSE THIS WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AGAIN, WE COULD ARGUE I CHECK NO BECAUSE IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA LOOK ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE.
SO BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION.
DIDN'T I DID CHECK, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
DIDN'T WE JUST DO UH LIKE PLAN THOUGH THAT WOULD GOD IT WAS THE MEDICAL AND IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
WE HAD MERGED THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THAT DISAPPEARED.
THEY NEVER CAME BEFORE THEY FILED THE APPLICATION AND THEY NEVER SHOWED UP.
SO THIS IS BY THE WAY, IF YOU GO TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, RIGHT THERE IS A SECTION OF THE SITE PLAN LAW THAT SAYS WE DON'T HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT HERE BUT WE HAVE A SECTION OF SITE PLAN LAW THAT SAYS YOU'LL LOOK AT THE BUILDING THAT WE DON'T WANT BLANK WALLS WE WANT AND WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, NOTHING SPECIFIC BUT THEY'RE GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD.
THIS AREA THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT IN SITE PLAN.
UM, BUT BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION.
I DID CHECK THE ONLY BOX I CHECKED AND AGAIN WE CAN A PROTECTED TRAFFIC AC EXCEED TO CAPACITY EXISTING ROAD NETWORK BY THE TIS TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT.
IT DOESN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR.
AND WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT INDIVIDUAL AND I THINK COVERS IN THIS QUESTION BELOW HERE.
UM, DOES IT, DOES IT HAVE CONSTRUCTION OF MORE THAN 500 CARS PARKING LOT? NO, IT'S A SMALL TO MODERATE.
WILL IT DEGRADE TRANSIT ACCESS? I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THEY'RE DOING HERE.
THERE'S A BUS STOP ON THE CORNER HERE FOR THAT WILL DEGRADE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE ACCOMMODATION DOESN'T DEGRADE IT.
THERE IS THE ABILITY TO WALK IN THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT THE BEST AREA TO WALK BUT IT'S NOT DEGRADING AT ANY AND THE WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION ALTER THE PRESENT PATTERN OF MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE ARE GOOD THAT THROUGH WHAT I CHECKED BAR TO LARGE, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT DENNIS HAS BEEN ASKING AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT IT'S GOING CHANGE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.
DEFINITELY GONNA CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IN THIS AREA.
AS YOU SAID, WHETHER IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE RIGHT NOW.
THERE WILL BE, AS THEY SAID ELOQUENTLY, WHETHER THAT'S A PEAK OF AROUND 189 TRIPS PER HOUR.
THERE'S GONNA BE THOSE ADDITIONAL TRIPS AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR PASS BY.
THEY SAID IT'S ALL GONNA BE NEW TRIPS, 89 NEW TRIPS AN HOUR AT PEAK ARE GONNA GO IN AND OUT OF THE SITE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTRANCES AND POSSIBLY AS THEN SAYS SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MAY GO TO THAT OTHER INTERSECTION.
YOU'RE RIGHT, SOMEBODY LOCAL THE AREA PROBABLY BE MORE LIKELY TO MAYBE GO UP THAT WAY AND HOPEFULLY AVOID, BUT THEIR PROJECTION IS THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL USE THOSE TWO, ANYBODY DRIVING THIS AREA AND IT'S GONNA
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BE A DESTINATION OR GONNA USE THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.SO I LIKE THE THAT AMY SAID WE DID ACTUALLY CONSERVATIVE AND SAID MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA USE THOSE TWO TWO INTERSECTIONS.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I CHECKED THE BOTTOM MOD TO LARGE.
THAT'S WHY AMY'S HERE TO SEE IF THAT MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR US TO, AND AGAIN THE OPTION WOULD BE TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECORATION.
HAVE YOU HEARD ENOUGH THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE TRAFFIC? I'M GLAD THAT AMY WAS HERE.
I'VE BEEN READING TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR 40 YEARS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE, I GO TO MY PEOPLE AND SAY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? UM, IT IS AN AREA THAT'S GOING TO GROW.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
DOUG POINTED OUT, DENNIS HAS POINTED, EVERYBODY'S POINTED OUT HIS AREA'S GONNA GROW.
IT IS GONNA GROW, THERE'S GONNA BE TENDER.
THEY PUT A GROWTH RATE IN THERE.
PROBABLY NOT HIGH ENOUGH BECAUSE HOPEFULLY OUR HOPES IS THAT MCKINLEY MALL WILL REBO AGAIN AND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
CAN THESE ROADS HANDLE IT? I THINK WHAT POINTS OUT IS, AND AGAIN I'M NON TRANSPORTATION HERE BUT WITH A LITTLE HIGHER NUMBER FOR ACCIDENTS, CAN THE DOT AND THE COUNTY FIND ANYTHING? YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS PARTICULARLY WRONG ABOUT THE INTERSECTION? WHY IS THERE THREE TIMES MORE THAN THE STATE AVERAGE THERE? IF THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY APPARENT WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
DOT SAID HEY, AS THIS AREA GROWS AGAIN YOU'VE GOTTA FIX THIS INTERSECTION.
THERE ARE ACCIDENTS HERE WITH A HIGHER RATE.
WHY ARE THERE ACCIDENTS? BUT YOU SAID NOBODY CAN FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S HIGHER ACCIDENTS HERE.
I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG.
YOU COULD POINT DOWN AND SAY THAT'S WHAT COULD FIX THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND BY THE WAY I ALWAYS GET, WE'RE DOING THE CONFERENCE PLAN AND STUFF, I ALWAYS LOOK AT PEOPLE AND SAY YOU REALIZE A LOT OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS IS NOT BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE THREE CARS PER HOUSEHOLD AVERAGE THAN WHEN WE USED TO HAVE 1.5 WHEN I WAS A KID.
NOW IN, IN OTHER PLACES LIKE AND HAMBURG OVER THREE CARS PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE TRAVEL PROBLEM.
BUT AGAIN, COMPARING AMHERST LIKE TRANSIT ROAD AND WHATEVER, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU TALKING ABOUT A FOR TIMES THE VOLUME AND WHATEVER, I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT OR HOPEFULLY DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA GENERATE UP ANOTHER 40,000 CARS A DAY.
I MEAN THE LONG TERM IN THE AREA MAY OR MAY NOT.
SO AGAIN, OUR JOB IS TO THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU MAY, WE'RE DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT LONG TERM IN THE FUTURE.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS AREA AND HOW'S IT GONNA GROW? THE HOPES ARE NOW BOARD WANTS TO SEE REGROWTH IN THIS AREA.
SO THIS PROJECT, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY IS THIS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OR NOT BY THEM ADDING THIS PARTICULAR NEWS AT THIS LOCATION ON THIS SITE? SURE.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU AND IT'S JUST HONESTLY IT'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE CHICK-FIL-A SITE PLAN AND THEIR OVERFLOW, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT PLACE FOR THE
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SO THEIR OVERFLOW IS GONNA GO ONTO THIS THERE PLAN.
WELL THAT'S THAT'S GOOD POINT.
WE ASKED THAT AT THE FIRST MEETING THERE IS AN OUT PARCEL AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE AND YOU REALIZE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO YOU IF ANYBODY WAS EVER GONNA DEVELOP THAT.
THINK THE QUESTION IS ARE THERE ANY PLANS THEY MAY, MAY RENDER THERE? I'M TO SAY THE OWNER OF THIS PARCEL, THEY MAY RENDER THAT PARCEL AS NOT BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT WAS USED FOR STACKING.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
LIKE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S PART OF THEIR STACKING PLAN.
SO I DIDN'T, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE USE WAS OF THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT WAS THERE A PLAN TO DEVELOP IT BECAUSE IT IS BEING USED AS A STACKING PLAN OR THE FIRST MEETING.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YEAH AND I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION THERE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PLANS FOR ADDITIONAL VOTE ON THE SITE.
WE'RE NOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT COULD NOT OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.
SURE IF AND WHEN IT DOES IT'LL BE SUBJECT BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD VERY LIKELY PRECLUDE INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP ANYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE TRA 'CAUSE THAT AREA WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF THE VEHICLE.
RIGHT? I MEAN REALLY EV THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT WOULD'VE AN ISSUE WE UNDERSTAND TO ADD ANYTHING WITH THIS CHICK-FIL-A.
AND IF IT EVER BECOMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR A SITE I VIEW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO STAND OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT LINE TRAFFIC THIS.
YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THAT WAS YOUR QUEUING PLAN IS TO OVERFLOW INTO THAT AREA.
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SO I I HAVE JUST LEARNED THAT WE DON'T ASSUME THINGS AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LONG TIME RAISE THAT ISSUE AT THE FIRST MEETING.I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OUT.
THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR BUS.
SO AND AGAIN I DID A DRAFT PART THREE AGAIN THE BIGGEST, THE EASY ISSUES I TOOK CARE OF THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON WHAT YOU HEAR HEARD TONIGHT ON THE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC.
THE OTHER ISSUES I DIDN'T THINK I NOTED IN THE PART THREE THERE WAS REALLY NO OTHER MAJOR IMPACT.
I TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO DOCUMENT WHY WE DID NO IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, UM, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING SITE.
BUT YOUR DECISION, I'M GLAD AMY CAME TONIGHT IS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
IT'S BECAUSE A CHANGE OF MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES AND, AND I THINK JUST TO TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER, I KNOW EVERYONE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WE'RE TRAFFIC IMPACTS DAY AGAIN APPRECIATES AMY BEING HERE.
BUT I WANNA COME BACK TO HER ACTUAL REPORT.
THE CONCLUSION AND I'M JUST GONNA ACTUALLY READ IT AND REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT.
FOR PURPOSES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL WATER ACT, IT IS OUR FIRM'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO THE STUDY AREA INTERSECTIONS.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND NOT SO MANY WORDS AMY, RIGHT, IS DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT PROFESSIONAL OPINION? I THINK AG HASS DONE A GOOD JOB ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT'S BE TRUE.
SO BACK TO THE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER PARCEL.
IS THERE A PERMANENT, SO WELL I GUESS DOES RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN OWN THE OTHER FRONT OUT PARCEL ON THE FRONT THERE THAT WHERE THE DRIVER'S LOCATED, THE RAYMORE AND FLANAGAN ENTITY OWNS THE PARCEL? REMEMBER THIS IS A LEASE TO CHICK-FIL-A, RIGHT? SO IS THERE A PERMANENT EASEMENT AND STACKING AGREEMENT? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY STACKING EXTENDS ONTO THE OTHER PARCEL AS WELL.
SO IS THERE FOR CHICK-FIL-A FOR YES.
SO YOU HAVE A PERMANENT, THEY HAVE LEASE RIGHTS TO USE THAT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN EASEMENT BECAUSE REMEMBER IT'S A TENANT.
SO YOU HAVE LEASE RIGHTS THAT NOTHING ELSE CAN COME IN AND OBSTRUCT ANY ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
DO YOU WANNA JUST ANSWER THIS SO LIKE YES.
REMEMBER SHARED ACCESS AS WELL.
SHARED ACCESS OVER PARKING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CURB CUTS TO OUR PORTION OF LEASE.
MANY OF THE CUSTOMERS HAVE NICE USE TO PARKING FIELDS IN THE COMMON AREAS, BUT SO DOES SCHEDULE.
SO ANOTHER INTENT HERE WHO ALSO HAS PROTECTIONS IN FRONT OF THEM ON OTHER LEASE RIGHTS.
NOW WHEN YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT TREVOR, ALWAYS I GOT A 10 YEAR LEASE WITH A FIFTH YEAR KICKOUT THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF YEARS INTO.
SO WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE IN FIVE YEARS.
AND WHETHER CHICK STAYS OR GOES, I DON'T KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE THERE ONE YEARS.
BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, TO SEAN'S POINT, THERE ARE NO OTHER, THERE ARE NO OTHER CLIENTS.
I THINK WE JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THERE PROBABLY CAN'T BE, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SOMETHING THAT WITH THE CURRENT MIX OF TENANTS, RIGHT.
AND THE BUILDING ASSUME ASSUMING CHICK-FIL-A IS APPROVED BECAUSE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AT THAT STEP YET.
BUT IF CHICK-FIL-A GOES IN THERE AND YOU DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE COULD FIT, UNDERSTOOD.
CERTAINLY IF WE, IF WE THOUGHT THAT IT COULD, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE DO, WE WOULD, WE WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT COMING INTO THE BOARD.
SO WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT PARTS TWO AND THREE, WE HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD THINKS WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT? YOU THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A VOTE? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OUTSTANDING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I MEAN WE DID GET A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WANNA DIGEST IT OR IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
WOULD IT ANY OPINIONS? WELL AMY, YOU'RE VERY HELPFUL TO ME BECAUSE I, I I WAS NOT, NOT, UH, CHALLENGING THE PROFESSIONALISM BUT YOU KNOW, I DRIVE THAT AREA A LOT AND, AND DOUG MAKES A GREAT POINT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP GOING AND YOU, YOU HELP ME A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTAND EVEN THOUGH LEFT HAND TURNS OF PROHIBITED, YOU'RE GONNA DO THEM ANYWAYS.
SO IT'S, SO YOU'VE HELPED ME IN THAT.
SO I JUST, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
IT HELPED ME GET AROUND MOST OF THAT TRANSPORTATION WAS MY CONCERN OF SAFETY.
MR. HOPKINS AND OTHER PEOPLE KNOW THAT I WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY PART.
ALRIGHT, I GUESS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER CONDITION.
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WHAT OTHER CONDITION? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION THAT JUST SAYS THAT THE, THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUS STOP AND APPROPRIATE CROSSING FACILITIES ACROSS THE, WHICH THEY DO, WHICH IS NOT THROUGH ARTICUL COMMITTED TO THAT.I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
IT'S NOT, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE ADD THAT AS A, AS A CONDITION.
YOU'LL CHANGE THE CURRENT CONDITION.
I WOULD PROBABLY DO IT AS NUMBER SIX AFTER IT.
I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT THEM TO FILE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE PEDESTRIAN AND UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THE BUS STOP INCLUDING ACROSS THE, AND THEN I WOULD THINK THAT ON FIVE WE WOULD WANNA MODIFY FIVE TO SAY THAT THAT PLAN IS ALSO GONNA BE FILED WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND NOT FILE, SOMEBODY ASKS THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.
WHICH PLAN? YEAH, THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR GRAND OPENING EVENTS.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF BILL, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOME AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT SHOULD THERE BE ANY QUEUING ONTO MILES SCRIPT ROAD THAT THE PLAN WOULD BE REVIEWED AND UPDATED ACCORDING I KNOW HOW MUCH AUTHORITY WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK THE WAY CAITLYN PHRASED IT EARLIER THAT IF IT BECOMES A CONSISTENT PROBLEM THAT THEY CAN RETURN BACK TO THE BOARD.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN FLAT OUT SAY RIGHT WHAT TIME, WHAT TIME MY PLAN WAS SAY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES STACKING BEYOND THERE AND THEN JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
SO IF IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM THEN WE CAN LOOK AT SOLUTIONS BECAUSE IT'S ON THERE.
BUT I DON I THINK WE MAY BE CROSSING AN ARBITRARY LINE WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
I WAS SO I THINK IF IT BECOMES A CONSISTENT PROBLEM PLAN, GRAND OPENING PLAN.
BUT CAN WE THINK THAT GRAND OPEN PLAN IS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON? YEAH, I GUESS.
AND IF THERE'S LIKE A, A POLICE OFFICER THERE BECAUSE THEY ANTICIPATE STACKING IN THE STREET, THAT WOULD, I WOULDN'T LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE, I'M NOT CHARGED IN THE, WASN'T ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS WE PUT TESTING THEY ON, WHAT WAS IT? IF THEY, DID THEY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN OR SOMETHING? NO, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY TELL, THINK THEY WERE CLOSING.
SEE, PART, PART OF THE PROBLEM, DENNIS, IS WE CAN SAY THINGS BUT IF THEY DON'T LISTEN TO US, THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS FOR US TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAY, HEY, YOU DIDN'T LISTEN WELL, WE, WHAT WE TOLD HAD TO PUT A BAR, NOBODY COULD GET IN.
IF THERE'S GONNA BE LANGUAGE AS, AS BEING DISCUSSED, I WOULD SUGGEST IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
LIKE IF IT'S TIED TO A DISCERNIBLE CONDITION, WOULD ALLOW THE, THE, THE DISCERNIBLE CONDITION AND STACKING ON SOMEWHAT REGULAR BASIS OR WHATEVER.
IT WOULD ALLOW THE ER TO REVISIT IT.
NOT ONE SINGLE INSTANCE, WHICH AGAIN, WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT MAY BE.
AND CHECKA IS A PRETTY REMARKABLE, UM, TENANT HERE.
I'M SITTING WORKING IN TOWN AND CHIEF TOMORROW MORNING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ADD A SECOND DRIVE THROUGH LANE TO THAT SITE JUST BECAUSE THEY, IT'S A CONSISTENT PROBLEM OVER THERE.
THE STACKING AND BACKING UP TO THE SITE AND THEY'RE BEING PROACTIVE ON HOW THEY CAN, SO WE'RE SITTING DOWN AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HOW TO FIGURE THAT OUT TOMORROW.
AND OUR SOLUTION IS FOR SECOND NIGHT.
IT'S REALLY CLEANED IT UP FOR US THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE HERE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THAT OVER THERE.
SO IF IT BECOMES A CONSISTENT PROBLEM, THEN WHAT? THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.
THE PLAN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO REVISIT THE APPROVED CYCLE, I GUESS.
NO, I WANNA SAY THE APPROVED GRAND OLD STACKING, NO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING EVEN IF IT'S OUTSIDE OPEN.
WELL WE CAN'T COMMIT TO REDESIGN THE SITE AFTER BILL.
WELL I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THOUGH IS IF IT BECAME A PROBLEM, IT WOULD AT LEAST ALLOW IT TO BE REVISITED BY THIS.
I MEAN WE, WE WOULDN'T ABLE BUILDING BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MEANING WE WOULD, IF THAT HAPPENS, WHICH IS NOT GOING, WE WOULD COME IN WORK WITH THE TOWN TO COLLECTIVELY WHAT YEAH.
FOR STACKING, IS THIS BOARD THE, THE RIGHT TEAM VERSUS WHAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE GRAND OPENING STRATEGY, WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO IS THE GRAND OPENING TEAM COMES, SITS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING.
WE NEED NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT CONCERN I, YEAH.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS.
SO LET'S REGROUP WITH THAT GROUP.
WHOEVER WOULD COMMITTED AND NOT NECESSARILY TRIGGER A SITE PLAN REVIEW.
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NO, NO.REVIEW WOULDN'T PROVIDE THAT SITE.
WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TELLING US THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD TENANTS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THIS IS KIND OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE.
SO HOW, WHAT ARE WE SUGGESTING FOR WORDING? LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE ALL AGREE.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE SUGGESTING? I, I SAID IF THE STACKING ON TO MILES STRIP OR MCKINLEY BECOMES A CONSISTENT PROBLEM, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVISIT THE STACKING PLAN, WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT OPPORTUNITY.
AND COULD, AND COULD WE SAY REVIEW AND, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TRAFFIC SAFETY AND POLICE OR WHATEVER THEY, THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR THAT.
WE'RE NOT FIGURING OUT THE SOLUTION.
I'M STILL NOT THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS THE ONE THAT YOU WANT.
MAYBE IT'S PLANNING BOARD SLASH TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE OR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO IT WOULD GO FROM US TO THEM BACK TO US.
AND CAN WE ADD, YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPLICANT'S INVOLVED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, YOU LET US KNOW.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO FIGURE IT OUT QUICKLY.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN CHIEF OF LOG GOING THROUGH THIS IS ADDING TIMEFRAMES DOESN'T HELP WHEN YOU NEED TO RESOLVE A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA WAIT AROUND FOR BOARD MEETINGS TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW IT.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SIT AROUND A TABLE AND MAKE AN IMMEDIATE ACTION IF WE NEED TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID OVER THERE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ADDING CONES AND CHANGING THE APPROACH.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS INCLUDE, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
I MEAN IF, IF WE SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF US AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER YOU COME IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, HEY, WE TALKED TO THE SHERIFFS AND HERE'S THE SOLUTION AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A WEEK AND WE'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS AND THIS, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A OFF IS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING CARE OF RIGHT.
THIS IS PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T OURSELVES.
SO, SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, UH, WE THINK THIS IS YEAH, IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND FIX IT THEN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE TO START WITH THE NEGATIVE DECLAR, WHEREAS, HOLD ON A SECOND, LEMME JUST GET MY CURSOR IN THE RIGHT SPOT SO I CAN THROUGH THIS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM CHICK-FIL-A IN REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 3 4 6 4 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S ADVISORY BOARDS AND TOWN STAFF AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS CONDUCTED A COORDINATED REVIEW REVIEWED PART ONE OF THE FDAF, COMPLETED PARTS TWO AND PART THREE OF THE FDAF AND REVIEWED THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ESTABLISHES ITSELF A SECRET LEAD AGENCY AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE APPROVAL WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS AND THEREFORE ISSUES A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF THE SEEKER REGULATIONS AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SO NEGATIVE DECLARATION CARRIED.
SITE PLAN, APPROVAL RESOLUTION PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THEIR ISSUANCE OF A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
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IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE.HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING RECEIVED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT FROM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL AND RECEIVING NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE NEW YORK STATE DOT OR ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAVING RECEIVED A SIGN OFF LETTER FROM THE EXISTING PLAZA OWNER AND BUSINESS, HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND AMEND THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
COMMENTS HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR CHICK-FIL-A PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 3 4 6 4 MCKINLEY PARKWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION CONDITIONS ONE.
APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT, CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JULY 2ND, 2021.
THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A SITE BRAND OPENING PLAN AND A LARGE LOCAL EVENT PLAN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES PROVIDERS.
THE APPLICANT WILL OPERATE THE DRIVE THROUGH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN SUBMITTED AND DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
CHANGES TO THAT PLAN REQUIRE DUE TO ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WILL BE RESOLVED WITH THE HAMBURG POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS.
INTERNAL PARKING'S GOING INTERNAL PARKING LOT.
SIGNAGE WILL BE PLACED WITHIN THE SITE TO DIRECT PEOPLE AS NECESSARY.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
THE APPLICANT WILL MAINTAIN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUS STOP AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE AND BUS STOP INCLUDING A CROSSWALK ACROSS THE STACKING LANES POORLY.
IF THE STACKING ONTO MILE STRIP OR MCKINLEY BECAME A CONSISTENT, BECOMES A CONSISTENT PROBLEM, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THE STACKING PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH APPROPRIATE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND THE APPLICANTS.
OH, THAT'S RIGHT FOR SOMEBODY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
WE THEM ON AN AREA THAT AS SOON AS YOU SAID IT, I'M LIKE, THEY'RE ON MCKINLEY, THEY'RE ON.
I JUST WANTED TO YEAH, QUESTION AND I APOLOGIZE.
WE JUST NOTICED THAT THERE IS NO SIDEWALK, IT JUST WRAPS AROUND ON MCKINLEY AND THEN STOPS.
THE WALL REQUIRES SIDEWALKS UNLESS WE WAVE IT AND WE WAVE IT BASED UPON, I APOLOGIZE.
WE LOOKED AT THE CORNER AND NOT ALL SAY SIDEWALKS.
WHERE? WHAT'S THAT? I'M TRYING TO SURE WHERE RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE NOT ON MCKINLEY, THEY'RE JUST, THEY AROUND THE CORNER FROM RIGHT THERE.
THE SITE PLAN HAS SIDEWALKS BUT THEY'RE, CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOMORROW? SHOOT.
I MEAN IF IT'S BASED PLAN, IF IT'S ON PLAN, YOU'RE BUILDING THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT AND PLEASE CLIENT THAT CAN'T WAVE IT IF WE DON'T HAVE A REASONING IT SHOWS IT ON THE PLAN.
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NOKIN, BUT ANYWAY, LIKE YOUR CLIENT KNOW THAT, THAT THAT WAS BASED UPON SOMETHING WE'RE SHOWN WITH DRAWING.WE'RE ASSUMING THEY'RE PUTTING THAT SIDEWALK.
IT'S NOT EXISTING, IT'S PROPOSED.
IF YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE, THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE WORRIED.
THAT'S MY STORY AND I, ALRIGHT.
OKAY, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE SIDEWALKS ISSUE THAT LIKE I JUST, I DON'T WANNA END UP IN A SITUATION WHILE WE HAVE YOU BACK HERE IN A MONTH DISCUSSING THE ZONING.
I, I WILL SEND AUTHORIZED SARAH I PLEASE NOTE THERE WE WILL SEND A LETTER TO THE APPLICANT.
LET 'EM KNOW THAT WE MISINFORMED YOU SHOWED SIDEWALKS ON YOUR DRAWING.
THEY'RE NOT EXISTING, WE'RE NOT WAIVING THEM WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THEM ON ON THE PLAN.
HOW ABOUT THIS? OKAY, WE CAN JUST CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND CONDITION SEVEN TO SAY THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS SHALL ON THE PLAN AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
SO A MOTION TO AMEND BY MR. CLARK I WOULD SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE INCLUDING NEW SIDEWALKS ON THANK YOU.
SO IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION IN GRAY AREA.
SO NEW SIDEWALKS WILL BE INSTALLED AS INCLUDED ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWN ON THE SHOWN I I THINK THAT'S SHOWN ON THE, OH, CHECK YOUR ASS MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
ALL IN FAVOR ON JUST THAT AMENDMENT.
I DON'T HAVE A SECOND MR. MAHONEY.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS GOING SAYING THAT WE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE ALREADY IN.
OKAY, SO MOTION TO AMEND CONDITION SEC SEVEN BY MR. CLARK.
CONSISTENCY, RIGHT? IF SHE SAYS YOU CAN'T THEN YOU CAN'T.
MANKO WHEN CALL YOU WANT ME TO GO? YES.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF ALSO, SORRY SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, DAVE MANKO WHO'S ALSO HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS THE CASUAL CHRIS WOOD FROM CARMINA WOOD AND MORRIS AS A BORDER RECALL, WE MOST RECENTLY PRESENTED THIS TO YOU DURING YOUR MEETING ON JUNE 16TH.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE RECEIVED WHAT I BELIEVE ARE THE CURRENT DRAFTS OF PART TWO AND THREE A, PARTS TWO AND THREE OF THE A F INCLUDING A CHART THAT I BELIEVE CAITLYN TOOK PRIMARILY RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
OUR UPDATES SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, UH, THE TEAM AT EARTH DIMENSIONS INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON VACATION THIS WEEK.
THEY WILL BE DESIGNING A PLAN THAT SHOWS THE REQUESTED
AND WE'LL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOUR SECOND MEETING IN THE MONTH OF JULY.
SECONDLY, SARAH DID SEND ME A DRAFT OF THE PLANNING BOARD MINUTES OF THE MEETING ON JUNE 16TH.
UM, I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND WHAT KRISTEN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IS IN ADVANCE OF YOUR NEXT MEETING WE'LL MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS ARE THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN MARKED AS BEING POTENTIALLY MODERATE OR LARGE? WE DON'T HAVE THAT RESPONSE FOR TODAY.
NO, WE JUST GOT THE MINUTES YESTERDAY.
AND THEN FINALLY, FINALLY, I AM WAITING FOR COMMENTS BACK FROM THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION BOTH ON THE MEKEL PROJECT AND THE WETZEL PROJECT PRIMARILY ON THE WETZEL PROJECT.
'CAUSE AS YOU RECALL, THEY ASKED US TO CONSOLIDATE THE TWO DRIVEWAYS INTO ONE DRIVEWAY AND WE'RE SHOWING IT LINING UP WITH A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SITE.
OTHER THAN THAT, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST MANY MONTHS WE HAVE INCORPORATED A LOT OF INPUT AND RECEIVED.
WE'RE BACK TO A CLUSTERING OPTION, WHICH WE THINK IS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE.
AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT WHEN WE STARTED ADVANCING THAT DISCUSSION, AGAIN TO A LARGE DEGREE, IT WAS BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE NEARBY TORS WHO HAVE PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THIS PROCESS.
AND WE'RE ALSO HERE AGAIN THIS EVENING.
SO IT'S STILL OF COURSE OUR PREFERENCE THAT WE PURSUE THE CLUSTERING OPTION.
I THINK FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE AND SPECIFICALLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, IT'S FAR PREFERABLE, UH, OBVIOUSLY REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE ARIAN BUFFER, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER ALONG PARKER ROAD.
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HAD UNDER THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN AND EVEN THE ORIGINAL CLUSTERING PLAN LOTS SHOWN ON PARKER ROAD GOING BACK TO LATE 2020.ONE OF THE PRIMARY COMMENTS WE RECEIVED WAS, WELL THAT AREA OF PARKER ROAD HAS MORE OF A RURAL CHARACTER.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT? ONE OF THE KEY BENEFITS OF CLUSTERING IS WE CAN DO THAT.
I BELIEVE WE'VE REDUCED THE DENSITY OF THE SUBDIVISION UNDER THE CLUSTERING LAB FROM 67 LOTS TO 60 LOTS.
SO I THINK WE KNOW THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT AGRICULTURAL USE AND IN TERMS OF THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC, I THINK THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I WOULD NOTE THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS SOMEWHAT ISOLATED.
IT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE UNDER THE ERIE COUNTY FARMLAND PROTECTION PLAN.
AND THEN OF COURSE MR. MANKO, WHO IS A PURCHASER, HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXISTING OWNER.
AND WHILE IT IS BEING UTILIZED TODAY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, LITERALLY THAT FARMER SLASH TENANT IS PAYING ABOUT $2,000 A YEAR FOR PROFIT.
THAT RESULTS IN NET INCOME OF 4,000.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF A HOBBY USE UNDER NO SCENARIO EITHER TODAY OR PECON ACQUISITION BY MR. MANKO.
IS THERE AN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE LONG-TERM AGRICULTURAL USE OF THIS SITE? BUT I DO THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN NOTED AND DISCUSSED AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SECRET REQUIRES.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN NUTSHELL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, WE'LL MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF YOUR MEETING IN TWO WEEKS AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR INPUT THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I TOOK AN ACTION ITEM AFTER THE LAST MEETING TO SPEAK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF AG AND MARKETS.
I CALLED FIRST MIKE AVIOLA, WHO'S THE REPRESENTATIVE IN THE REGION AND UH, MR. AVIOLA REFERRED ME TO JEFF KEHO WHO'S WITH EGG AND MARKETS IN, UM, IN ALBANY.
AND HE SAID A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT YOU SAID.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I GOT THESE DOWN ON THE RECORD.
UM, SO HE DID SAY THE 35 ACRES IS SUBSTANTIAL TO HAVE AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FARM.
SO IF YOU WERE TO DO A COMMODITY CROP CORN A SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OBVIOUSLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR DAIRY FARMING.
HE DID SAY THAT IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE SIZE PARCEL IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO DO A CSA DIRECT TO MARKET TYPE FARM.
IT'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PELICANO WINERY THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US, THAT HE SAID THAT THERE WERE AGRICULTURAL USES THAT COULD BE MORE THAN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE ON THAT SIZE PARCEL.
UM, HE DID ALSO SAY THAT THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE A WHOLESALE CONVERSION AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA DISAGREE WITH THAT.
BUT THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE HE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY FARMABLE AGAIN.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S DISPUTING THAT STATEMENT.
UM, HE DID ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT, HE DECLINED TO PROVIDE ANY DEFINITIVE OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND SAID LARGELY THAT YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY ON SIGNIFICANCE AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU NEED TO WEIGH INTO IT.
HE PROVIDED, UH, EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ON DOING A FARMLAND PROTECTION PLAN, WHICH I'LL REFER TO THE CAB WITH COMMENTS ON THAT.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT THE TON OF AMHERST DO SOME OF HIS PROGRAMS GRANT FUNDING RECENTLY TO DO A FARMLAND PROTECTION PLAN AND THEY ONLY HAVE 200 ACRES OF FARMLAND AND I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
SO I'LL REFER THAT TO THE APPROPRIATE INTERESTED, INTERESTED PARTIES ON WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
AND THE GRANT FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE'RE DOING THE AM
BUT THEN HE DIDN'T GIMME A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE AT THE GOOD SITE PLAN REVIEW STAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT NECESSARILY CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT MR. HOPKINS IS GONNA PROVIDE, BUT I DON'T THINK UNTIL WE GET ANYTHING MORE THAT THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANY FULL SCALE DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD DO.
I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM THE TABLE FROM LAST WEEK.
I THINK UNTIL WE GET THOSE RESPONSES, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN TALK ABOUT JUST FOR THE RECORD SO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
MY UNDERSTANDING CAITLIN AND THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE THEIR JOB AND DONE THE PART TWO, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PART TWO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS HAD SOME DISCUSSION.
THEY HAVE NOT FORMALLY SAID THIS IS GOOD.
THEN YOU WENT TO A PART THREE AND IDENTIFIED POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, DONE IT QUITE A FEW OF THEM ON YOUR CHIP CHART.
YOU'RE AFFORDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU TO EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION WHETHER THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT, IF THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO ISSUE A CAUSE THERE.SO THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE JUST IN THE PROCESS.
THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE THEIR JOB TO PUT, YOU'RE GIVING THE APPLICANT, I APPLAUD YOU, YOU'RE GIVING THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND AND GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD.
EXCELLENT JOB OF FOLLOWING THE PROCESSES OF WATER AND THE LAW.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MR. HOPKINS IS MADE CLEAR, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIP RIPARIAN BUFFER.
THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, THIS AND THE, AND THE UH, PROJECT AFTER THIS ARE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
SO EARTH DIMENSIONS IS WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONE HOLISTIC PLAN, THEY'RE BOTH INDEPENDENT PLANS THAT COULD BE PURSUED INDEPENDENTLY.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD CURRENTLY HAS MADE JURISDICTION OVER THE, THE REZONING.
THAT'S A DECISION BY THE GROUND BOARD.
SO AS LONG AS THAT'S CONTINUES TO BE MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE PURSUING BOTH PROJECTS AND THEY'LL BE ON DIFFERENT
AND AND ULTIMATELY I BELIEVE, I THINK EVERYONE AGREES TWO SEPARATE SECRET DETERMINATIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, I'LL JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DID UPDATE THE SUPERVISOR AND ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER ASKED ME ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE WETZEL.
REMEMBER THAT PROJECT WILL EVENTUALLY GO TO THEM.
I JUST GAVE HIM THE STATUS THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH A DRAFT OF A PART TWO, WE'VE IDENTIFIED POTENTIALLY MAKING BIG IMPACTS.
WE'RE GETTING MORE INFORMATION FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN BOARD CANNOT MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT TO YOU MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
I SAID ALSO LOOKING AT, THEY DID A GREAT JOB.
WE IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL CUMULATIVE IMPACTS.
WE ARE CONSIDERING THOSE SEPARATE, THERE'LL BE SEPARATE ACTIONS BY THIS BOARD.
UH, BUT EACH ONE IS CONSIDERING THOSE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS THAT MAY AFFECT ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH EXAMPLE I GAVE TO THE SUPERVISOR, WE MOVE FORWARD A N DECK ON WETZEL AND IT WOULD RETURN TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING AND WHETHER WE'RE GONNA REZONE THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT AD WOULD RETURN TO US IF THEY APPROVED IT, THEN IT WOULD RETURN TO US FOR SITE PLAN IN A NEGATIVE DECK.
I SAID TO 'EM THE TOWN BOARD IS REALLY NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT.
THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS WITH THE DOWN BOARD THAT IS A PLANNING BOARD DECISION ON SEEKER AND ON APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION.
SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW I DID UPDATE THE BOARD ON THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS TOO ABOUT THE SEAL ON BOTH PROJECTS AND WE HAVEN'T MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING EITHER.
SO WE MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION AND A REC THANK YOU AND A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING, WHICH ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THE REZONING, AS I ALWAYS SAY TO YOU, IT'S THE INFORMATION YOU GATHER AND WITH ANY REZONING, ANY CONDITION YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ON THAT REZONING SPECIFICALLY ON THE REZONING OR CONDITIONAL AND WE GET CONDITIONS AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE THERE'S BEEN QUESTION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE IN THIS PROCESS.
WELL AND AND THE REASON I BRING THAT PARTICULAR THING UP ABOUT THE REZONING IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE PAST FEW REZONINGS IS WE WRITE A MEMO WHERE WE KINDA OUTLINE WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IN OUR PROS AND CONS INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING IT STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE POINT IN TIME WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE START PUTTING THAT MEMO TOGETHER AND THAT, 'CAUSE I THINK THE LAW SAYS WE REPORT FROM THE PLANNING, IT DOES GET A REPORT AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START PUTTING SOME, IN ADDITION TO WORKING THROUGH THE SEEKER ISSUES, WE'VE GOTTA START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT REPORT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THOSE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES.
I THINK THE REPORT, A LOT OF THE REPORT WILL CONTAIN WHAT YOU DID ON THE SEEKER DECISION.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THAT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
BUT BUT YOU'RE GONNA ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS.
IF YOU GOTTA ENVIRONMENTAL THEN IT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE REZONING AND POTENTIAL CONDITION.
SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND AGAIN, LIKE WE'VE ASKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN I'M NOT INTERRUPTING YOU GUYS OR GONNA CONTINUE ON THIS, BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, DO YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM ON INFORMATION YOU NEED? WELL WE, WE NEED THE RESPONSES THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET AND THE SOONER WE CAN GET THAT, THE BETTER I EXPECTING WILL BE LENGTHY.
DINNER INFORMATION SAY WELL THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA TRY AND BE CONCISE.
I MEAN YEAH, THE GOOD THING IS BASED ON THE REVIEW YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND I KNOW PEOPLE SPENT A TON OF WORK, IT'S A COUPLE OF TOPICS ON EACH.
I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE IT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SUBMISSION WORK.
ANOTHER BINDER WHERE I ALREADY GOT MY, I BROUGHT EM, THEY'RE RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE BEING CARTED AROUND, WE WAIT.
SO I TRY AND BE FOCUSED ON THOSE ONE AND THEN AGAIN WE'LL SUBMIT THAT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND MAKE PROMPT SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID MANKO TO, IS IT JULY 21ST? THAT'S YES.
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I SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK.SO WE WILL SEE THAT ONE BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GLEN WESZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF VICTORY ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE TO R ONE AT FROM C ONE TO R THREE C ONE AND R ONE TWO R THREE.
SO GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINO WOOD MORRIS.
SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS JUST ADDING CONNECTION WITH THE REVIEW OF THE MANCO PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION.
THIS PROJECT IS AT THE SAME JUNCTURE WE DID DURING THE MEETING ON JUNE 16TH RECEIVE A DRAFT OF PART TWO AND PART THREE OF THE AF ALONG WITH THE CHART DENOTING THOSE TOPICS, WHICH THE PLAN BOARD HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AS WE INDICATED, ONE OF THE TOPICS IS OUR OCCURRING BUFFERS EARTH DIMENSIONS IS WORKING ON A PLAN THAT WE'LL DEPICT THAT AND WE DO ENVISION WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION ADDRESSING.
THOSE TOPICS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THIS BOARD PRIOR TO YOUR MEETING ON JULY 21ST.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE PROJECT REMAINS UNCHANGED.
I WOULD NOTE I HAVE REACHED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES TO EDWARD MURKOWSKI, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO ASK FOR HIS COMMENTS IN TEXT WITH THE UPDATED PLAN, WHICH CONSOLIDATED THE TWO PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED CURB CUTS INTO ONE SINGLE CENTER CURB CUT, UM, DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
THAT ALSO DID RESULT IN A LOSS OF SIX UNITS, I BELIEVE FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE ANY ACTION THIS EVENING, SO RESPECTFULLY WE WOULD ASK YOU TO TABLE IT AND WE'LL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
ALRIGHT THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE GLEN WETZEL TO JULY 21ST.
UM, ONE OF THE JOBS NOT OFF THE RECORD YET.
UM, ONE OF THE JOBS OF A PLANNING BOARD IS TO POINT OUT WHEN THEY HAVE PROBLEMS OR WHATEVER.
DENNIS, YOU BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE EARLIER ON THAT PLAZA JOINING CHICK-FIL-A.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS PLANNING BOARD SEND A, SEND A MEMO TO THE TRACK SAFETY BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE RESOLVED OTHER PROBLEMS WITH PLAZAS.
THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD HAS BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE SUCH PROBLEMS. YES, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PLAZA OWNERS TO FIX PROBLEMS. OBVIOUSLY THE PLAZA OWNER WANTS THAT TO WORK CORRECTLY.
SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THEM LOOK ESPECIALLY WITH ON THE FACT THAT HEY, WE JUST APPROVED THE CHICK-FIL-A, WE KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE THAT.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT PLAZA THE NEXT TRAFFIC IS NOT.
AND SO DENNIS, I MEAN IF SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU MAKE A RESO UH, A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE A TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT INTERNAL TRAFFIC PROBLEM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD ASSIGNMENT FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR BOARD.
DO WE MAKE A RESOLUTION? OKAY, SO MOTION BY MR. CHAPMAN.
IT'S A NON MOTION BY MR. CHAPMAN TO REFER THE ISSUES, TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THE BJ'S PARKING LOT TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TONIGHT CA BUT I'VE BEEN TELLING THE TOWN FOR 10 YEARS TO DO A AGRICULTURAL PROTECTION.
MR. KEHO MEAN WE DO IT FOR COMMUNITY, SUCH AS WHATEVER THEY THEY SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE DOING.
YEAH, THEY PROVIDE THE MONIES, THEY WILL PROVIDE THE MONEY IN IN A MONTH AFTER YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION.
I WAS GONNA SEND A NOTE TO, I WAS GONNA SHARE MY FINDINGS WITH, UH, THE CAB.
AND THEN WITH, I WAS GONNA COPY BETH
AND SO I WAS GONNA SEND A NOTE WITH THAT INFORMATION ON THE GRANT AND THEN REQUEST THE, THAT'S THERE'S, THERE'S STATE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO THIS.
THE STATE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.
IT'S A SMALL MATCH, BUT YOU CAN USE IN KIND SERVICES TO DO THAT.
AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, AND AGAIN WHAT WAS SAID ON THE RECORD BEFORE IS THAT YOUR ONLY PLAN THAT AFFECTS HAMBURG IS THE COUNTY PLAN, COUNTY AGRICULTURAL PLAN.
IF YOU WANT LOCAL POLICIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT CAN HELP FARMERS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOCAL PLAN.
I DID OTHER, I MEAN IF THE CRAFT WINERY AND THE CRAFT BREW, THERE'S ALL BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
AND IF THAT'S A WAY TO IMPLEMENT, PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND PROMOTE AGRICULTURAL USE, SOUND ERS IS THE LARGEST HE PRODUCER AND THEIR FOCUS IS ON KEEPING THOSE HE FARMERS IN OPERATIONS AND OTHERS LIKE.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, PLEASE, PLEASE DO
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THOSE THINGS AS YOU GUYS SEE, I MEAN, YOU SHOULD AS A PLANNING BOARD IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES, WE'RE DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOU SHOULD BE POINTING OUT THOSE ISSUES WITH THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THAT CONFERENCE PLAN.YOU SHOULD SEE THE MAP I HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE CIRCLED AREAS ON IT SAYING THESE ARE PROBLEM AREAS IN THE TOWN THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OR, OR THE PUBLIC CIRCLE THE MAP TOO, RIGHT? YES, WE'RE MATTER OF FACT, I'LL MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA ADVERTISE IT.
SO YOU, YOU THE PLANNING BOARD KNOW.
SO NEXT WEEK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MEETING.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MEETING, BUT I MIGHT AS WELL LET THE PLANNING BOARD KNOW NOW BECAUSE IT'S, THEY WERE GONNA ADVERTISE IT.
IT IS JULY 27TH AND WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE COOL.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE, I BELIEVE FROM FIVE TO SIX 30 OR FOUR 30 TO SIX 30.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THOSE MAPS DISPLAYED UP FOR PEOPLE TO MARK IN HAND, MARK UP STUFF, COMMENT SHEETS, ET CETERA.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE COMMITTEE WHO COULD VOLUNTEER REPRESENTING A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND GETTING INPUT FROM PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SMALL PRESENTATION AFTERWARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA TALK MORE ON STUFF.
BUT THAT'S THE FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE YET.
IT'S GONNA BE IN THIS BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA BE THE OPEN HOUSE WILL BE UPSTAIRS IN THE HALLWAYS.
WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR PEOPLE TO GO SEPARATE THEM OUT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION IN THIS BUILDING.
WE BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THAT, WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH SPREAD AND SPACE AND WHATEVER FOR PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE ON.
THAT'S, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE AT NEXT WEEK.
BUT BETH WAS PUSHING THAT AND WE HAD TO SET A DATE THAT SHE WANTED TO START ADVERTISING MY CALENDAR.
I WAS LIKE, OPEN HOUSES AS YOU GET OFF.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR REPORTING THE TIME TO SAY THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT, SO WE HAVE, UH, THE MINUTES FROM JUNE CHAIRMAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE OF MINUTES.
I, I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE GOT HERE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.