* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:06:07] ALLEGIANCE, [00:06:10] I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND DO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE MISSION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. BILL, BEFORE I TURN UP, TURN THE RECORDER. RECORDER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WE DO HAVE THE SCREEN HERE, BILL, SO IF ANYBODY HAS STUFF THAT WE WANNA, OKAY. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS STEVENS AND PIERCE REQUESTING A CHANGE IN USE OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 6 5 9 2 VIDA STATE ROAD TO A BRIDAL SHOP. UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE WERE DISCUSSING THE SIDEWALKS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU, SO YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, I GUESS TO GET YOU UP TO SPEED, WE HAD A RESOLUTION PREPARED AND UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THE RESOLUTION WAVED SIDEWALKS OR REQUIRED SIDEWALKS, BUT EITHER WAY IT WAVED THEM. IT WAVED THEM. OKAY. AND WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH WAIVING THE SIDEWALKS. RIGHT. IS THAT A GOOD ASSESSMENT OF WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME? YES. SO, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL ON THE AGENDA. DID ANYBODY GO OUT AND LOOK? I DID DO TAKE PICTURES. YOU CAN'T PUT A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE'S, NO WAY. YOU CAN PUT A SIDEWALK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURE. YOU'D HAVE TO TEAR DOWN TREES, TAKE OUT HYDRANTS, DO ALL THOSE THINGS, AND IT'S A DEAD END ROAD WITH NOTHING ON IT. SO I PUT IN MY THING, I RECOMMENDED HIGHLY, I MEAN, CAMMY, I'M PUTTING IT ON THE SPOT, BUT THIS IS NOT, IT'S A DEAD END. SO IT'S NOT UNDERSIZED, UNDERSIZED ROAD AND FOR US. YOU SAID YOU WENT OUT THERE, WHAT DID YOU SEE? I SAW SIDEWALK DOWN. THERE ARE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT. THERE'S ANOTHER SIDEWALK. DREW MENTIONED. DREW, JUST AS DREW MENTIONED THERE, AS YOU GO IN THE BACK, IT GOES DOWN AND IT'S LIKE A DEAD END AREA. THERE'S NO REASON I, THERE'S NO HOUSES, NO HOUSES THERE, NOTHING. THE ROAD KEEPS, I WENT TO SCHOOL THERE. I WENT TO SCHOOL, I WENT TO THAT BUILDING FOR, FOR LUNCH, BUT I WAS ACROSS THE STREET IN THE ONE ROOM FOUR, NO OFFENSE, BUT I KNOW THAT AREA. YEAH. RIGHT NEXT TO HER ON STEVENS. 'CAUSE THAT GOES IN ON OLD LAKE . RIGHT. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING FROM THERE ON. RIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, I SAW THE PLANNING BOARD. THE, THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE IT IN THE CODE TO DO SIDEWALKS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE IN THE CODE TO WAIVE IT FOR WHEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE HAVE IT ON GOWANA STATE ROAD, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL ROAD WHICH WE COLLECT. WE CAN'T EVEN FIT IT DOWN. I'M SORRY, DENNIS, GO AHEAD. NO, I THINK READY TO VOTE WHILE WE'RE YEAH, I HAVE THE RESOLUTION. WANT TO CONNECT THE PARKING LOT TO THIS DIFFERENT SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? YES. I MEAN, DREW, I GOT, I GET THIS PICTURE HERE AND YOU SAID THERE'S NO SPACE FOR SIDEWALKS, BUT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE COULD GO RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A HYDRANT THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE FIRST THIS POLE HERE, THERE'S A HYDRANT UP HERE. THIS, THIS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD COMES ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE. IF WE DON'T PUT THEM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE PUT 'EM OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY SIX INCHES FROM THE, AND ALL THIS IS SOME RESIDENTIAL SCREEN SPEC. ALL THESE POSTS IN THE, YOU GOT THE HYDRANT, YOU GOT ALL THOSE THINGS IN THE WAY THERE. THEY'RE NOT IN THAT PICTURE. I SET. OKAY. AND THAT ONE DID THAT ONE FROM, FROM FURTHER INTO THE FRONT. I WANTED TO SHOW THE . SO IS THE PARKING LOT THAT YOU [00:10:01] ARE PUTTING THE PAR EXISTING PARKING A ABOVE THE EXISTING SIDEWALK, CORRECT? NOPE. WE'RE NO, NO, NO. SIDEWALK. THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS IN GU STATE ROAD. CORRECT. THE EXISTING PARKING LOT EXITS ONTO STEVENS. CORRECT. THERE'S EXIT THERE AND IT'S MIDWAY, BASICALLY MIDWAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING. OKAY. THE EXISTING, THERE'S A GAP. YES. THERE'S A LARGE, THERE'S A LARGE GAP. THERE'S A LARGE GAP. BUT THERE'S, I MEAN WE DON'T, THE FRONT, THERE'S LIKE 35 FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT APPARENTLY WAS TAKEN WHEN JUAN STATE ROAD WENT IN. SO WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY STATE. IN FACT, FACT, THE SURVEY, AND I'M, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, PART OF THE PROPERTY ON STEVENS ROAD, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE IS TAKEN OUR, OUR LINE PROPERTY. THE LINE HAS THE SIDEWALKS. YEAH. OUR LINE OF PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY SIX INCHES FROM THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING ON THE STEVENS. THE BUILDING GOES RIGHT UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT DOES, IT DOES RIGHT UP TO IT. WE HAVE NO PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING MINUS SIX INCHES. THERE'S A HYDRANT. WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A TREE. THERE IS A UM, POLE, TELEPHONE POLE. THERE'S A TELEPHONE POLE THAT WE'D HAVE TO, IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD. AND SO I GUESS IGNORING STEVENS ROAD, IS THERE A WAY TO CONNECT THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON GOWANA STATE ROAD TO YOUR EXISTING PARKING LOT IN SOME WAY SO THAT FOR YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO WALK ON THE SIDEWALK, SINCE THAT'S THE PLACE I WALKED TO WALK, NOT NECESSARILY ON STEVENS, BUT IS THERE A PLACE THAT YOU CAN CONNECT THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO YOUR EXISTING PARKING LOT? WELL, IT WOULD BE . I TYPICALLY EVEN THAT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A TRAIN OF FIRE HAZARD THAT WAS, THAT'S BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING IT, IT THERE, BUT AT SOME POINT ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE, GOING EVEN FURTHER BACK FROM THE INTERSECTION, I'M SAYING IT COULD BE AT THE OTHER END OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE ON GONDA STATE ROAD WHERE PARKING SPOTS IS SHOWN ON YOUR DRAWING. IF THERE'S SOMEWHERE, ANYWHERE ALONG THAT WIDTH THAT YOU COULD CONNECT. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE THOUGH. I JUST, NOT TO MENTION THE COST. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT MY, YOU CAN'T WEIGH IN ON COST. OKAY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT DOESN'T, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GONNA WALK? I MEAN, PEOPLE COME AND MAKE APPOINTMENTS. THEY, WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST WALKING TO A BRIDAL SHOP AND THAT, WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GONNA WALK? IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SIDEWALK TO, I MEAN, THERE'S NO OTHER SIDEWALKS AND IT'S A NARROW ROAD. I, I GUESS I, WELL, HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGE THAT WE RUN INTO IN THE BOARD, AND I THINK THIS CAME UP THE LAST MEETING YOU HERE, THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT WE OFTEN, THE, THE PUSH IS TO TRY AND PUT SIDEWALKS IN. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS EVERY, NO ONE WANTS TO PUT THEM IN 'CAUSE THEY DON'T CONNECT. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO START TRYING TO CONNECT IN SOME WAY. KAITLIN, WE WOULD NEVER PUT A SIDEWALK DOWN STEVENS ROAD. I CHECKED WITH THE TOWN. IT'S A SMALL RESIDENTIAL ROAD. WE'RE NOT GONNA, I I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT STEVEN, I MEAN NOR STEVENS ROAD, BUT, BUT IT IS ON, IT IS ON STEVENS ROAD. STEVEN ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVE, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANTED ME TO PUT A SIDEWALK. IT IT IS LIKE PUTTING A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. SO I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A, YOU ASKED IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND SHE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU WHY I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT STEVENS ROAD. FORGET STEVENS ROAD, WE GOT STEVEN ROAD. THERE IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON GO ON STATE ROAD AND YOUR PARKING LOT RUNS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE PARALLEL TO GO ON STATE ROAD. MY QUESTION IS, IS IT SAY SOMEBODY ACTUALLY HAD MADE AN APPOINTMENT AND WANTED TO GET THERE ON THE SIDEWALK. CAN WE IN SOME WAY MAKE A, A PATH THAT CONNECTS THAT EXISTING SIDEWALK TO YOUR PARKING AREA? NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE HYDRANT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE'S THE PARKING SPOTS. CAN I JUST SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK? CAN WE CONNECT THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WE PUT THERE AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE USED? CAN WE MAKE A PATH THAT CONNECTS FROM THE SIDEWALK HERE TO THIS LOT? SHE COULD DO ANYTHING BUT TO PURPOSE, I GUESS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YES. I MEAN KEEP IN MIND SUE, THAT I DON'T ACTUALLY, WE DON'T OWN, HAVE WE EVER DONE ANYTHING PROPERTY THIS BEFORE? WHERE'S THE THIS IS, YEAH. AND I'M NOT, I'M ASKING ABOUT YEAH, WE PEOPLE CONNECT STUFF TO SIDEWALKS. MANY PEOPLE CONNECT FROM, FROM A PARKING LOT BACK THERE. BUT WHY WOULD THEY DO IT? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ASKING ME TO ALMOST LIKE PUTTING A PRIVATE, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SIDEWALK UP TO MY PARKING LOT. WE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PUT PARKING LOTS TO THEIR'S. SIDEWALKS. YEAH. BUT WE, WE HAVE UM, WE DON'T ALWAYS DO THE, THE STEVEN ROADS THING, EVEN THOUGH MAYBE WE SHOULD SOMETIMES. YEAH, I MEAN LIKE, BUT WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS A PARKING LOT GOING TO THE SIDEWALK. YEAH. WE SIDEWALK WE THIS, I DON'T ANY OF IT. THEY TOOK IT, THEY PUT ONE STATE ROAD, THEY TOOK ALL OF THIS PROPERTY. YES. I DO NOT OWN THEY ALL THIS UP TO HERE. THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIRE HYDRANT. I DON'T, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THIS IS WE CAN'T BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY. CORRECT? RIGHT. I DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I I I WAS TRYING TO THINK. WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE [00:15:01] WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AERIAL MAPPING AND WHATEVER, IT'S NOT I AGREE CLEAR THAT THAT IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. I AGREE. I ALSO, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE THAT PROPERTY DONE WE MAINTAIN THAT'S A, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. WE, WE HAVE, I MEAN WE'VE MOWED BUT WE DON'T OWN IT. THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND HOW LONG IT WAS, WHY HE EVEN HAD TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE OWNED ALL THAT PROPERTY BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T OWN ANY OF IT. AND THEN THE SETBACK GOES EVEN BACK 30 FEET FROM THAT. SO WHEN THEY PUT IN GO ON STATE ROAD, THEY TOOK I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET, 35, 40 FEET OF THE LOT. AND NOW IT DOESN'T BELONG TO US. BUT YES, WE MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE MOWED. I'M NOT GONNA NOT MOW IT. EVEN THOUGH EVEN ON THE STEVENS SIDE, WE DON'T OWN THAT EITHER. WE ONLY OWN, OWN SIX INCHES ON THE CORNER OF THAT BUILDING. WE DON'T OWN IT. SO THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN A MUCH WIDER WIDTH OF THAT ROAD THAN IT GOES BACK FOR. SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION IS SHE CAN'T CONNECT BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T OWN THE LAND THERE BUDGET. CORRECT. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE NEW SURVEY BECAUSE IT'S, WELL THEN HOW, I GUESS I WAS SURPRIS, RIGHT? THIS IS ON THE NEW SURVEY. CORRECT. GOES RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY. UM, I HAD A BRAND NEW SURVEY DONE BECAUSE THAT WAS SO OLD AND I WANTED TO SEE WE, WE ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE SURVEY RATHER THAN HAVE THE SELLER BECAUSE I WAS SO CONFUSED ROAD THIS LIKE IT'S EVEN LESS THIS IT LITERALLY SIX. THEY JUST DID IT AND DIDN'T GET A PERMIT. THIS IS WHEN YOU GO FURTHER DOWN. IT WAS ALL TAKEN ORIGINALLY IT WAS A PROPERTY BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S, THIS IS NOT TO SCALE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, SO THIS IS ONLY SIX INCHES ABOUT YEAH. RIGHT. AND 14 DOESN'T GO UP TO THE SIDEWALK. THIS SIDEWALK IS HERE. THIS PORTION IS OWNED BY THE TOWN. WE NEED TO GET A CONDITION WE NEED WHEN IT WAS AND THAT'S NOT, AND PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE CARS. I'M TRYING UNDERSTAND LIKE SIX OF THEM IN HERE PULL ROAD IN HERE. BUT THEY PULL IN THEIR CAR, THEIR PARKING. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO NO, NO, NO. THEY'RE MAINTAINING IT'S NOT CORRECT. BUT MAINTAIN IT LIKE ALONG SIDE OF THE ROAD BETWEEN, CORRECT. CORRECT. I MEAN AT ONE POINT PROPERTY WAS OWNED, NO IDEA BY THEM WHEN THEY PUT IN. SO SHE HAS A NEW SERVICE. RIGHT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ADD THE COMMISSION THAT SHE FILED AS PART OF THIS BECAUSE THAT MORE CLEARLY SHOWS WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT SHE GOT FROM THE SELLER. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT FILE BECAUSE THIS I DON'T THINK IS FULLY, YOU DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS SIX INCHES. ABSOLUTELY. WELL I WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T THINK WE NEED, I THINK WE FILE BUT THIS IS ONLY SIX INCHES. THE THAT'S NOT HERE TO SCALE ON THE DRAWING. IT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I MEAN SARAH TOLD ME SIX INCHES. I HAVE THE SURVEY AND I HAVE EVERYTHING. WE, I ACTUALLY HAVE THIS LOOK UM, THING SHOWING THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S LIKE 40. THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND. I WAS JUST TALKING TO BILL AND I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOR YOU IS GOING RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD AND THEN THERE'S THE BRIDGE AND THEN THE PROPERTY AFTER THE BRIDGE IS RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD. SO WHY WOULD THERE THIS BE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S SIDEWALKS ALL THROUGH HERE AND YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS AND YOU HAVE BUSINESSES ALL THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE SOME LIKE TRAFFIC. SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO US FROM A ACCESSIBILITY IN THE COMMUNITY AND CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS PARKING LOT SHOULD SOMEHOW BE CONNECTED TO THE SIDEWALK SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING, WHO ARE CHOOSING NOT TO USE THEIR CAR OR WHATEVER REASON, HAVE A WAY TO WALK UP TO YOUR BUSINESS, NOT ONLY DO CHARACTER 'CAUSE ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS. THAT'S WHAT CAITLIN'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF YOU, THAT'S A HUGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THAT EASEMENT BUFFER THAT IS NOT OWNED. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FILED. RIGHT. SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY'S THE REASONING WHY THEY'RE YOU. I ASK IT MIGHT BE PART OF THE WANDA STATE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT? NO, THEY ACTUALLY, YES, THEY TOOK THE, OTHERWISE IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE PARCEL OF SOME KIND. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY TOOK IT TO BUILD THE ROAD, IT MEANS THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE IS ALL THE WAY UP. SO IT IS STATE RIGHT OF WAY. WHICH DOES MEAN ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE NEEDS A DOT PERMIT TO BE DONE. [00:20:01] SO, SO SAME AS CREATING A NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE OR IF YOU WERE DOING A LENGTH OF SIDEWALK, IT'S, IT'S NOT TOWN RIGHT AWAY. IT'S STATE RIGHT AWAY. SO SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHETHER IT'S A HUNDRED FEET OR WHATEVER, SO IT'S STATE RIGHT OF AWAY FOR GOWANA STATE ROAD. SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S RIGHT OF WAY AN EASEMENT OWNED PROPERTY. SO THAT'S IN YOUR MIND , IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE PARCEL FOR IT TO ACTUALLY BE AN OLD. SO I ADDED IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY EXPANDED THE RIGHT OF WAY, AN EXTREMELY LARGE AMOUNT. I ADDED THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SUPPLY THE SURVEY SHOWING THE RIGHT OF WAY ON GOWANA STATE ROAD THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDS PAST THE SIDEWALKS TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT. NO, I DON'T WELL THAT'S THE QUESTION IS IF IT'S RIGHT OF WAY, SHE CAN STILL BUILD THEM WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL. SO WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT. SO IF IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY, SHE CAN STILL BUILD IT PROBABLY RIGHT? IT THE OF WHAT THE DOT WOULD PERMIT. THEY WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DT PERMIT. THEY'D, SHE'D HAVE TO HAVE A DOT PERMIT. SO SAME AS IF YOU, IF IT THERE WAS A GAP, LET'S SAY IN THAT'S EXISTING SIDEWALK AND YOU SAID WE WANT YOU TO FILL THAT GAP, YOU'D STILL NEED DOT PERMIT TO DO IT 'CAUSE IT IS THERE RIGHT OF WAY THERE. HONOR AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THIS, UM, HUGE THING WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING IN GO ON STATE ROAD AND THAT SOME, IT'S ACTUALLY HAND DRAWN WITH ALL THE, IT IS WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING IN GO ON STATE ROAD WHERE THEY HAD THE, THE PROPERTY JUST MARKED RIGHT OFF AND I JUST COULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE OWNED RIGHT TO THE SIDEWALK. I MEAN IT'S, IT IS GOTTA BE THE RIGHT AWAY. CAN YOU BRING UP THE PERSONAL MAP FOR THE TOWN OR THE CON G GS? YEAH, NO. HOW DO WE DO THAT? GO TO THE, THE TOWN, UH, JAZZ MAP. I DID DRIVE PAST THIS. I WAS LIKE, OH THERE IT IS. MM-HMM . LIKE MADE A POINT TO LOOK AT IT AND NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING. MY PAST IT. THE RIGHT MAP. YEP. PULL YOU'RE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. YOU CAN PULL UP THE YES, WE ARE USING WINDOWS PROVIDED A G DATABASE. OKAY. AND IT SHOWS THE RIGHT OF WAY. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. IT SHOW THE RIGHT OF WAY OR SEPARATE PARCEL. IT WELL SHOWS THE PARCEL, BUT THE PARCEL LINE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE OF THE ROAD. AND YOU'LL SEE HOW FAR THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES IN AN ADDRESS. THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN. THERE'S A, THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE OF THE PRESSING THE OF THE HIGHWAY. THE, OH NO, NOW YOU CLICK ON THE MAP. YOU WANT ME TO DO IT FOR YOU, CLICK ON THE MAP OR YOU WANNA GO. THAT MAKES IT, SO NOW WE ARE AT, ACTUALLY IT SHOWS THAT IF YOU HAVE REALLY GOOD EYES ON THE LITTLE ZONING MAP ON YOUR, ON YOUR MEMO, YOU HAVE REALLY GOOD EYES THOUGH. WE, IT THREW RIGHT AWAY IN IT LOOKS LIKE THEY TOOK ALL OF IT THOUGH. AND THAT IT, EVEN THOUGH THE BUSINESSES HAVE STUFF ALL THE WAY UP, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT UNDERSTAND TOO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS SITE, USUALLY THIS PLANNING BOARD WOULD NOT SEE THE REOCCUPATION OF THE BUILDING AS LONG AS IT WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, THEY WOULD ISSUE A PERMIT. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT A, IT NEEDED A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT NEEDED SOME CHANGES. SO WE BROUGHT IT HERE TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR, AND WE COULDN'T GIVE A SITE LINE WAIVER BECAUSE IT NEEDED THAT VARIANCE. WE PUT HER THROUGH THE VARIANCE. UM, SO TYPICALLY IN THE REOCCUPATION OF THE BUILDING, WE DON'T GET INTO TRYING TO MAKE OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE ALL AGREE THE SIDEWALK MAKES NO SENSE. THE TOWN DOESN'T WANT A SIDEWALK ON STEVENS ROAD. IT MAKES NO SENSE. IT WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS WITH MOVING OF OTHER UTILITIES AND WHATEVER. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT CAITLYN'S SAYING SHE WOULD LIKE IF I'M WALKING DOWN ANA STATE ROAD AND REMEMBER WAN STATE ROAD IN THAT AREA, AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE AREAS IN THE COMP PLANT, IT'S REALLY NOT A QUOTE UNQUOTE COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE PEOPLE WALK UP AND DOWN AND VISIT SHOPS. IT'S BASICALLY A, THIS IS AN OLD HOUSE. IT'S, IT IS A, IT IS A SPOTTY COMMERCIAL AREA. THERE WILL BE PEOPLE, WE SEE PEOPLE WALK FROM THE VILLAGE OUT AND WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE NOT WALKING OUT THERE TO GO. 99% OF YOUR BUSINESS IS GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA DRIVE THERE AND GET OUT. IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN GOWANA STATE ROAD AND WANTED TO GO STAY FROM THE VILLAGE, YOU WOULD JUST EITHER WALK DOWN STEVENS ROAD IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT'S A ROAD THAT PROBABLY GETS FIVE CARS A DAY OR YOU'D WALK ACROSS THE LAWN OR THE RIGHT OF WAY OF, OF THE HIGHWAY TO GET TO HER PARKING LOT AND INTO THE SIDE. UNDERSTAND WE JUST CREATED A LOT OF PROBLEMS BY HAVING, TRYING TO PUT THAT CONNECTION, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE DOT RUNNING SOMETHING OUT, CONNECTING INTO A SIDEWALK AND WHATEVER. IT JUST MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. TRYING TO GIVE YOU [00:25:01] A BACKGROUND FOR AND AREN'T WE TYPICALLY, WE DEAL WITH 90% OF THESE REOCCUPATION OF BUILDINGS WITHOUT COMING HERE. IT'S SIMPLE PERMIT. YOU GET A PERMIT THAT REOCCUPIED THE BUILDING. RIGHT. BUT AREN'T WE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY CHARACTER AS WELL, LIKE RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE UP HERE DISCUSSING IS THAT AREA IS GOING THROUGH A BIT OF A REVITALIZATION. THERE ARE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES COMING IN. THERE'S JUST THE WATERFRONT OR WATER AND, AND YOU DO HAVE A SIDEWALK AND THEY ALL HAVE SIDEWALKS GOING RIGHT UP TO THEIR BUSINESSES. SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONE BUSINESS IN THAT AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK AND NOTHING PARKING LOT. WHO HAS, BUT I MEAN THE PLACE NEXT TO ME DOESN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK GOING UP TO THEIR BUSINESS. THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS TO THEIR PARKING LOT. THE ANTIQUE STORE NEXT TO YOU, THE SIDEWALK IS ANTIQUE. NOT ANYMORE. NO, NO, NO. A CAR MECHANIC OR SOMETHING. THERE'S, IT'S A CAR. CAR REPAIR PLACE IS A, UM, CEMENT GUY. YEAH. SO HE'S THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE ESTIMATE AND I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS JUST KEEPING PROPERTY. BUT I JUST DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'D EVEN OWN THAT PROPERTY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW. NOW, SO THIS GIS MAP THAT IT CAMMY THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULDN'T BE ON THERE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE. YOUR RIGHT OF WAY IS THE PROPERTY LINE. THE RIGHT OF IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PARTIAL PROPERTY LINE SHOULD MEET AT APPROXIMATELY THE REAL. SO SHE DOESN'T OWN THIS PART. SO EVERYTHING BETWEEN AND AROUND THE ROAD THAT'S RIGHT AWAY. SO THAT IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE STATE DOT AS PART OF JUAN STATE ROAD. SO SHE DOES NOT, SO HER PROPERTY LINE GOES UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. ALRIGHT. SAME THING IF YOU LOOKED AT STEVENS, BUT THIS WOULD BE TOWN RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT WENT ON WITHIN THAT WOULD, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK FOR A PERMIT, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S DOT WHICH MEANS DOT WORK PERMIT AND PERMISSION TO PUT IN ANYTHING AT THAT POINT. EVEN WAIVING SPOTS TO YEAH, I YOU CAN TELL THAT IT WAS A WIDENING ACTIVITY BECAUSE THE RIGHTS, SO THEY TOOK MORE THAN IS THERE AND IT'S WAY IT WOULD COME OUT. IT'S A WEIRD CUT. IT'S WEIRD. WELL IT WAS PROBABLY 66 FEET AND THEN THEY TOOK WHAT THEY COULD, COULD. YES. SO I THINK YOU GO WITH THAT. OKAY. GO TO THIS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD, MAKE A MOTION. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF USE AT THIS SITE IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION. TYPE TWO UNDER ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND THEREFORE NO SECRET DETERMINATION IS NECESSARY. THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON ITS REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE C ONE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE, HAVING RECEIVED A CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN COMMITTEES AND ADVISORY BOARDS, HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVING THE APPLICANT ADDRESS, ADDRESS THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE STEVENS AND PIERCE BRIDAL SHOP PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 65 92 GO ONA STATE ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE, ANY NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT. TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON GOANA STATE ROAD AND STEVENS ROAD IS A SMALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL STREET THREE A SURVEY SHOWING RIGHT OF WAY ON AND GROUND ON GONDA STATE ROAD THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDS PAST THE SIDEWALKS TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT. UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A SURVEY SHOWING RIGHT OF WAY ON GONDA STATE ROAD THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDS PAST THE SIDEWALKS TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT. OKAY. MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FILE THAT. JUST GIVE IT TO SARAH AND SARAH WILL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS LOE TRAILERS REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL TO REVISE SITE PLAN, ORIGINAL SITE PLAN GRANTED ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2020. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM LOE TRAILERS? ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE LOE TRAILERS. SECOND SHALL SECOND BY MR. SHAW. UM, HERE. NOBODY'S HERE. THEY SAID BECAUSE THEY [00:30:01] SUBMITTED NEW STUFF. WHATEVER. NOT HERE. THEY'RE NOT HERE. SEAN. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. SHAW. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 60 11 67 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD. I DON'T NEED TO GET ANYTHING OUT WHILE YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION, USE THOSE. SEAN, HAVE YOU PROVIDED ANY HARD COPIES OF THOSE DRAWINGS YOU SUBMITTED LAST WEEK? I HAVE ONE WITH ME. DO YOU HAVE COPIES THAT WE CAN USE OR JUST I DID. HERE I HAVE A COPY. SHE, SHE SENT THEM LAST WEEK AND THEN I WAS NO, IT, OH, I DON'T KNOW. SHE SAID OH YEAH, THERE WAS NOTHING. THERE WAS NOTHING ATTACHED. RIGHT. AND WE ALSO, WE WERE EXPECTING A RESPONSE FROM, UH, SOME OF OUR EF QUESTIONS TOO. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT'S IN THE WORKS. IN THE WORKS. YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST, SO CAN I JUST GIVE A REAL QUICK UPDATE? YEAH. I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO. YEAH. SO GOOD EVENING. SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. DAVID MANKO. AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, THIS IS THE PROPOSED CLUSTERED SUBDIVISION. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED NUMEROUS TIMES BY THIS BOARD OVER PREVIOUS MEETINGS. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION IS FIRST DIMENSIONS. FINALLY DID PROVIDE US WITH A COPY OF THE ARIAN BUFFER PLAN. THIS OF COURSE, APPLIES FOR THE DITCH THAT BISECTS NOT ONLY THE MANCO SITE BUT ALSO THE CONTIGUOUS WETZEL SITE AS WELL. UM, EARTH DIMENSIONS HAS A REPUTATION OF WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPORATE ENGINEERS AND NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WAS PREPARED BY JODI CELESTE AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS IT SHOWS NATURAL PLANTINGS THAT WOULD ACT AS A RIPARIAN BUFFER ALONG THAT DITCH. AND KEEP IN MIND IN TERMS OF THE SUBDIVISION, THIS IS BASED ON THE CLUSTERED SUBDIVISION LAYOUT PLAN. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT WITH RESPECT TO BOTH PROJECTS, I'M STILL WAITING FOR COMMENTS BACK FROM EDWARD RUSKI OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I SPOKE TO HIM MOST RECENTLY LAST FRIDAY, AND HE PROMISED ME IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETZEL PROJECT. WHERE WE'RE AT, WHO KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT IS YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED BASED ON YOUR PREPARATION OF A DRAFT OF PART THREE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM. CHRIS WOULD AND I HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT DONE PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING. IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE BELIEVE WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO PREVENT, PREVENT, 'CAUSE I'M AN UPDATED SUMMARY PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT SUBMISSION IN BY THE END OF, OR BY NEXT FRIDAY AT THE LATEST. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL. UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE BUFFER PLAN, BUT WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE OVERALL REVIEW PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE. SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO HAVE SOMEBODY OR DIMENSIONS COME IN BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, OKAY, THIS LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S A TREE PLANTING PLAN AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEC WEBSITE, I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU A LINK. BUT THE, THE RIPARIAN BUFFER ZONE USUALLY HAS MULTIPLE ZONES THAT YOU INCLUDE OTHER THINGS, NOT JUST A STRIP OF TREES. AND I GUESS THIS WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PULLED THE D EEC WEBSITE AND THE GUIDANCE HEARINGS, IT'S THE REQUEST IS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ROBUST OR MY REQUEST IS FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE SUBSTANTIAL, MORE ROBUST THAN JUST PLANTING SOME TREES. OKAY. UM, SO WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST KAYLYN, IF IT WOULD BE, OKAY, DO YOU WANNA SEND ME AN EMAIL AND THEN I CAN FORWARD THAT TO EARTH DIMENSIONS? THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR INPUT AND HOPEFULLY BE IN A POSITION TO PRESENT SOMETHING AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. YEAH, I MEAN, JENNIFER, IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, SO THAT WOULD BE MY [00:35:01] ONE AND THEN I WOULD ASK IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE. I'LL SEE IF I CAN HAVE SOMEONE ATTEND THE MEETING. I MEAN MY, MY SECOND COMMENT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, WE'VE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE. 22 MEETINGS. YEAH. WELL, WELL, YES, BUT WE, THE LAST TWO MEETINGS WE ASKED FOR INFORMATION AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT RIGHT. SO IT'S TAKING UP, I MEAN, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROCESS AS WELL AND NOT, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU'LL WANT TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF YOUR CLIENT IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE. AND WE ARE ALSO WAITING FOR STUFF TO BE RESPONSIVE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A RESPONSE OR DO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE OUR SECRET DECISION IN THE INTERIM? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK GIVEN THE, THE NUMEROUS REITERATIONS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, STARTING WITH CLUSTERING, THAT PREDATES ME ENDING UP BACKING IT BACK ON CLUSTERING AND THE NATURE OF THIS REVIEW, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY INTENSIVE AND THE PLAYING BOARD DOING YOUR HOMEWORK, I THINK GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THAT SUBMISSION. WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S GOOD. IT WON'T BE RIGHT IF PRESENTED NEXT TIME. SO I, I GUESS, AND NOT THAT ITS YOUR PROBLEM, BUT CHRIS AND I HAVE JUST BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY WITH, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S, WE, WE, WE DON'T REALLY WANT IT ON. WE HAVE THAT RESPONSE. SURE, FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. BE BY FRIDAY FOR SARAH TO PLACE NEXT FRIDAY. SHE MAKES THE AGENDA. THE AGENDA SHE HAS TO KNOW RIGHT AWAY. SO SHE WOULD NEED TO KNOW, MEAN YOU WOULD NEED TO TELL US THAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING I'M COMMITTED THEN IN WRITING ON THE RECORD. WE, WE CAN ALSO THE INFORMATION BY NEXT FRIDAY. BUT SHE HAS TO KNOW IT'S EASIER TO TAKE SOMETHING OFF. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. NO, I'M COMMITTING THAT WE WILL HAVE IT, IT'LL BE PRESENT SUBMITTED BY A WEEK FROM FRIDAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE NEXT MEETING. AND IT'S ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WILL STILL ONLY LEAVE YOU ABOUT FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING AND THAT YOU MAY NEED SOME MORE TIME. WE GET THAT. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE COMMENT FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE SARAH'S POINT, IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE CONFUSING AND YOU'VE TOUCHED BASE ON IT. WE RIGHT NOW OFFICIALLY, BECAUSE YOU REJECTED THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, THE, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS FOR A REGULAR SUBDIVISION. THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT'S SURE THE PLANNING WE'RE DOING IS ON THE REGULAR SUBDIVISION. THEY ARE OFFERING INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S JUST SIDE INFORMATION. RIGHT NOW THE APPLICATION IS A REGULAR SUBDIVISION AND YOUR REVIEW IS ON THE REGULAR SUBDIVISION. SO IT WAS KIND OF, SARAH SAID IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING SO JUST WE CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT SO THAT IS, SO FOR FOR THE RECORD, WHAT WE DID AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS WE REVIEWED PRIMARILY THAT, BUT WE NOTED IN THOSE CASES WHERE THE CLUSTERED IMPACTS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED SO THAT AT SOME POINT SHOULD THINGS CHANGE THAT DOCUMENTATION AND THAT REVIEW HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED COMPARING THE TWO. BUT THAT DOES BRING UP AN INTERESTING QUESTION, DREW. SO GIVEN THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ADVOCATING FOR CLUSTERING AND DREW IS CORRECT, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE MOST RECENTLY E MOST RECENTLY SUBMITTED, EAF IS BASED ON A TRADITIONAL LAYOUT. SHOULD WE BE AMENDING IT? WELL IT'S KIND OF STRANGE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING. SARAH WAS SHE WAS HERE, SHE WOULD ASK BEFORE THE MEETING ONE OR YOU'RE NOT READY AT THAT POINT TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZE TO DO CLUSTERING. WELL I DON'T THINK DO THAT RIGHT NOW. IT'S THE SUBDIVISION YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND AGAIN, IT'S REALLY NOT MITIGATION YOU TO MITIGATE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF CHANGING THE PROJECT BACK CLUSTER. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND I APPLAUD FOR DOING THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THEM JUST IN CASE IT GETS CHANGE BACK TO COST. IF YOU DID A POSITIVE DECK, YOU WOULD BE EVALUATING THE TWO ON THE RECORD OR WHATEVER UNDER AN EIS. BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW. BUT I JUST WANT A RECORD TO BE CLEAR THAT THE ACTUAL APPLICATION IS THE REGULAR LAYOUT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NOT AUTHORIZED A CLUSTER, YOU'RE CONSIDERING A CLUSTER AND LOOKING AT IT IN YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. BUT RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING BEFORE YOU WAS A REGULAR LAYOFF. BUT WOULDN'T IT MAKE, GO AHEAD. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION UNTIL WE SEE THE RESPONSES TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED ON THE LAST ONE TO MAKE A DECISION. RIGHT. I AGREE WITH THAT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE GO TO CLUSTER. AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHAT HERE RIGHT NOW, TO ME PERSONALLY, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, WOULD BE NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH YET FOR ME TO BE, TO FEEL LIKE THAT WE PROVIDED FULL ENOUGH VALUE ON WHAT I WOULD WANNA SEE TO MAKE THIS MAKE. AND YOU'RE REFERENCING RIGHT NOW JUST THE BUFFER. SURE, SURE. YES. BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE NOT ENDORSED CLUSTERING YET AND THAT'S A FUTURE DECISION TO BE MADE FOR PURPOSES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SHOULD I STILL GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT AN AMENDED PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM BASED ON CLUSTER? WELL THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO USE IT. THAT'S OKAY. I WOULD EXPECT, I WOULD THINK WE WANT THAT. RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S INFORMATION WE WANT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO I'LL JUST INCLUDE THAT WITH THE SUBMISSION. IT'S NOT THAT HARD. IT'S GONNA REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD POINT OF COMPARISON. I THINK 90, 90% OF THE AF WILL REMAIN THE SAME. RIGHT. QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S TRUE. AND WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT [00:40:01] HERE AND THEY HAVE SEPARATELY SUBMITTED NUMBERS THAT WE DID USE AS RIGHT ANALYSIS IN THE BACKUP THAT DIFFERENTIATE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU, THE RECORD. OKAY. BUT THAT IS NOT THE APPLICATION FORMALLY UNDER RIGHT. MEANING. SO I WILL SUBMIT AN AMENDED PART ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM WITH REVIEW. I'M NOT GOING TO FORMALLY AMEND THE APPLICATION. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN ENDORSED PURPOSE. YES. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. TALKING ABOUT ON THE RECORD ABOUT SOMETHING. PLEASE STATE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CLUSTER, THE ALTERNATIVE CLUSTER THAT WE'RE NOT FOR THE ACTUAL FOR NOW. ALMOST ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HAS BEEN DONE UNDER THE REGULAR LAYOUT. YOU'VE DONE SOME ALTERNATIVE REVIEWS, BUT WE NEED TO STATE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE START TALKING ABOUT CLUSTER, SARAH SAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THING AND SHE'S LIKE, WELL RIGHT. WE'VE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE CLUSTER, I THINK IS THE JUST STATE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE CLUSTER RIGHT NOW, THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE THIS PLAN IS, THIS PLAN THAT YOU CAN HAVE TONIGHT IS THE, IS THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT. SO RIGHT. THIS IS THE COST OF IT. YEAH. BUT THIS PLAN IS ONLY MEANT TO DENOTE THE RIPARIAN BUFFER. THAT'S IT. THIS IS AN EARTH DIMENSION CASE. IT WAS A REGULAR RIGHT. AND I DID NOTE THAT. RIGHT. THIS IS LITERALLY JUST THE EARTH DIMENSIONS PLAN AND THIS PLAN FOR THE RECORD IS USING THE WRONG LAYOUT FOR THE WETZEL. OKAY. PROJECT. YOU'LL SEE THAT IT INCLUDES THE, YOU MAY WANNA REVISE THIS AND RESUBMIT OH, IT INCLUDES THE SUBDIVISION. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL THAT'S OKAY. YES. BUT YOU MAY WANNA HAVE THEM REVISE THIS AND UB OKAY. BUT CALIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU SEND US AN EMAIL WITH WHAT YOUR ADDITIONAL INPUT IS. I'LL GET THAT TO EARTH DIMENSIONS RIGHT AWAY. THEY'RE FAIRLY RESPONSIVE AND WE CAN GET THAT PLAN ON MUCH THE STATE DEFINITION OF SEND. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. JUST SO THE REST, SO SARAH'S GONNA JUST REPEAT IT AGAIN. SARAH'S GONNA PLACE THIS ON THE AGENDA WITH THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY NEXT FRIDAY. SO IT CAN BE DISSEMINATED TO THE PLANNING COURT AND IT'S GONNA, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, IT BE OFF THE AGENDA AND I CAN'T COME TO THEM. RIGHT. EVER. RIGHT. AND THAT INFORMATION HE IS SUBMITTING IS SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE THAT YOU WANT A CLEAR PLAN, A BETTER PLAN ON A LI BUFFER. BUT THERE ALSO WAS A LIST OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUPPLIED WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THE PART TWO AND THE KIND OF PART THREE ANALYSIS IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT I HAVE THAT INFORMATION, INCLUDING THE TABLE THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THE CATEGORIES OF INFORMATION YOU WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND IF YOU CAN CROSS REFERENCE IN YOUR RESPONSE SO THAT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO ITEM WHATEVER FROM THE TABLE FOR EACH PROJECT. SO THAT IT'S, THAT'S HOW I'M TRYING TO DO IT. YEAH. I HAVE PART OF IT THOUGH. THIS IS NOT QUITE, YES AND I KNOW A LOT OF HARD WORK WENT INTO IT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE P. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID KO TO NEXT MEETING. AUGUST, AUGUST 4TH, SECOND. A MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. NEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GLEN WETZEL REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BIG ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FROM C ONE AND R ONE TWO R THREE. GOOD EVENING. ONCE AGAIN. SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. WETZEL DEVELOPMENT, LLC OWNED BY GLEN WETZEL. THIS PROJECT IS IN A SIMILAR STATE TO THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED PROJECT, THE MANCO SUBDIVISION. I DID SUBMIT A DRAFT OF THE RIP BUFFER PLAN. WE RECEIVED SOME INPUT RELATIVE TO THAT PLAN BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S DISCUSSION OF THE MANCO PROJECT. SO THAT IS A WORK IN PROCESS. IN ADDITION, WE WERE PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY WITH DRAFTS OF BOTH PART TWO AND PART THREE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM. WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT THAT PRIOR TO THE DEADLINE FOR YOUR AUGUST 4TH MEETING, WE'LL BE FINALIZING THE COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION ADDRESSING THOSE CATEGORIES OF IMPACTS. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED TO BE, UH, POTENTIALLY LARGE. CORRECT. I WOULD ALSO NOTE ON THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, AS YOU RECALL, WE ORIGINALLY HAD TWO CURB CUTS ONTO BIG TREE ROAD. TREE ROAD. WE RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ASKING US TO CONSOLIDATE THAT DOWN TO ONE CURB CUT. WE CHOSE A LOCATION THAT'S DIRECTLY OPPOSITE, A SMALLER EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT DID CAUSE US TO LOSE SIX UNITS GOING FROM 156 UNITS TO 150 UNITS. WE MADE AN UPDATED SUBMISSION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I MOST RECENTLY SPOKE TO ED RAKOWSKI OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LAST FRIDAY. AND HE INDICATED [00:45:01] HE'S AWARE THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND I'M HOPING WE'LL ALSO HAVE THOSE PRIOR TO UNITS MEETING. THIS IS KIND OF PUT IN THE CART BEFORE WITH A HORSE IN A WAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH THE SEEKER PROCESS. BUT ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO RECOMMEND THE REZONING ON THIS. RIGHT. AND THE, THE MORE I WENT THINK ABOUT THAT STEP, THE HARDER AND HARDER IT IS FOR ME TO, I MEAN I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND THE TOWN BOARD MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION, BUT I DON'T SEE IN 2021 US REZONING SOMETHING TO BUILD A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS. SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE NOW TO, SO IT'S OUT THERE NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CONSIDERED. UM, I MEAN AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, I KIND OF REGRET THAT WE TOOK THE SECRET PROCESS BECAUSE I WISH I COULD HAVE JUST CUT STRAIGHT TO TO THAT AND MADE IT SIMILAR. UM, I KNOW WHY WE DID TAKE THE SECRET WHAT WE DID, IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE TIME. BUT AS, AS WE KEEP GOING AND GOING AND I THINK ABOUT THAT STEP, BUT IT'S A BIG STEP AND I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE MYSELF TAKING IT. YEAH. I GUESS ALL I WOULD ASK MR. SHERMAN IS THAT YOU KEEP YOUR MIND OPEN RELATIVE TO THAT TOPIC. I WOULD NOTE OF COURSE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL AND IT'S DEFINITELY CLEAR AS DAY. THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR THAT. IT'S BEEN MARKETED FOR THAT FOR NEARLY A FEW DECADES. NO ONE TO DATE HAS DEVELOPED IT. AS YOU RECALL. WE WERE ORIGINALLY ALSO PROPOSING A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. WE REMOVED THAT BASED ON INPUT FROM NEARBY NEIGHBORS. I WOULD ALSO FINALLY NOTE WE DO HAVE A MARKET STUDY THAT CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THERE'S DEMAND FOR THESE TYPES OF UNITS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU WANNA SEE AN EXCERPT OR A SUMMARY OF THAT OR HAVE YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF , THE COMPANY THAT PREPARED THAT COME TO COME TO A MEETING, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, I MEAN THAT'S, AND MAYBE NOT EVEN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S MORE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BROUGHT UP IN THOSE TYPES OF MEETINGS. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND IN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEAL WITH PROJECT BY PROJECT, RIGHT. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT. RIGHT. ON A GLOBAL, AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT ON THOSE TERMS, THE HARDER IT IS TO RECONCILE ENOUGH. OF COURSE, MR. WETZEL WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SO THAT'S A REAL BASIC DUE DILIGENCE ITEM THAT WE DID EARLY ON. AND THE LAYOUT THAT WE'RE SHOWING REFLECTS INPUT RECEIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT DEMAND THERE IS IN THE MARKETPLACE. SO WAS THAT, UM, SUBMITTED BEFORE APPLICATION? NO, BECAUSE THE REASON IT WASN'T DONE IS BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY A PROPRIETARY DOCUMENT. I THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY. IF THE BOARD DETERMINED THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THAT RELEVANT INFORMATION, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. I WOULD JUST BE HESITANT TO TURN OVER THAT MARKET STUDY TO COMPETITORS AND ONCE WE SUBMIT IT, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE TOWN THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A MARKET STUDY. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S A BIG QUESTION THAT COMES UP. YEP. JUST BEEN GETTING A LOT OF PUBLIC SCRUTINY, I WOULD THINK. OH YEAH. ONE OF THE MOST COMMON COMMENTS THAT WE GET ON THINGS IS WHY ARE THERE MORE APARTMENT? I MEAN THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE MOST RECENTLY UPDATED COMP PLAN, THAT WAS THE, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TOPIC. I KNOW THAT'S NOW QUITE OLD, BUT NO, BUT PEOPLE MAKE, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK COMMENTS, IRON THINGS YEP. COMMENTS ON NEXT DOOR AND OTHER PLACES APARTMENTS COME INVOLVED. YEP. I AGREE. AND THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO HAMBURG AS WELL. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ON THIS? KEEP, KEEP BILL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN AWFUL, IT WAS A GOOD THING THAT THE TOWN BOARD ALLOWED YOU TO BE. IT WAS, YES, BUT IT PRESENTS AN AWKWARDNESS BECAUSE USUALLY IF YOU WERE SITTING HERE NOW YOU AND YOU ALL AGREED, HEY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING REZONING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION FIRST. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT THAT WAY. I, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T GET PAST THAT ISSUE, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE TO POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECT TO PROVE THAT THROUGH. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET PAST THAT. THIS BOARD. SO AFTER SIX MONTHS OF REVIEW, YOU HAVE TO POSITIVE DECK THE PROJECT POINT. I LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IT, IT, IT'S SO REZO WE COULDN'T DO A NEGATIVE DECK AND THEN RECOMMEND AGAINST RE. RIGHT. THAT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT. NO, YOU, YOU CAN SURE YOU PERCENT CAN BECAUSE ISSUES YOU SAY THAT THERE'S NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, BUT THAT THERE IS A REASON NOT TO REZONE THAT IS NOT RELATED TO IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT. EXACTLY. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT HAPPENS. YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME, BUT YEAH. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, THAT IS A SECRET ISSUE. YEAH, YOU CAN NO, IIII GET THE NUANCE, BUT I THINK, BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT ONCE SEAN PROVIDE, SAYING THERE WERE A NUMBER OF UNIQUE ISSUES RIGHT. THE INCLUDING THE [00:50:01] VOLUME OF , THE VEGETATION YEP. THAT NEED TO GET ADDRESSED OTHERWISE. RIGHT. AND THAT CAN'T BE A, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MAY WARRANT A PAUSE DECK. RIGHT. REGARDLESS, BASED ON THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING YOU PUT THE RIGHT, LET'S GET ALL THE INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND THIS PROJECT, OF COURSE IS IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STATUS THAN RIGHT. THE MANCO PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS AT THE REZONING STAGE. SO YES. AND, AND THAT ALSO POSES ITS OWN CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE KNOW SEPARATE. YES. RIGHT. WE'RE AWARE THAT. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO ON THIS TONIGHT? NO. AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE GLEN WETZEL TO AUGUST 4TH. MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. SHAW. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JSE LLC REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION OF A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU GUYS KNOW ALL, REWROTE ALL THE LAWS TO ALLOW CAR WASH, RIGHT? RIGHT. WELL THEY, THEY, THEY TOOK TWO ACTIONS. OKAY. THEY AMENDED THEIR CONDITIONAL REZONING. THE CONDITIONAL REZONING HAD A RESTRICTION OF CAR WASHES. SO THEY HAD AMEND THAT THE FIRST THING THEY HAD TO DO WAS AMEND THEIR FINDING STATEMENT, DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS. BECAUSE THE FINDING STATEMENT WAS WHAT DICTATED THAT FINDING STATEMENT THAT GAVE THE ORIGINAL SEEKER FROM MAY, THEY DID THAT MAY 22ND, 2006. SO THERE'S NO, SO SEEKER'S NOT ON REVIEW. IT'S ONLY RIGHT, IT'S ONLY SITE PLAN, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. YEAH. OR MINUS. HOWEVER IT YEAH. BUT, BUT SEEKER IS NOT PART OF IT. IT'S JUST THE ARTS. I I I DIDN'T QUITE GET THAT. BUT UNDERSTAND YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION. YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT PROJECT IS. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. THE PROJECT IS THE FIRST DECISION. THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. OBVIOUSLY IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT NOW 'CAUSE THE TOWN BOARD MADE THAT DECISION. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AS A, AS A SEPARATE INVOLVED AGENCY. AND THEN IT IS, YOU'RE RIGHT. SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THEN SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND, AND SUBDIVISION. SUBDIVISION. RIGHT. ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION AMENDED THE ORIGINAL FINDINGS FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. AND NOW WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION UNDER SEEKER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREED THAT OUR PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS OF THAT DECISION. RIGHT. AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED, YES. AMEN. FOR THIS PROJECT, I STARTED THAT, BUT I WILL GET YOU COPIES. YOU KNOW, I MADE THAT LIKE I DID FOR APOLLO CONCRETE, I MADE THAT FINDING FORM. I HAVE TO AMEND THAT FINDINGS FORM WITH THE TWO CHANGES THAT THE TOWN BOARD MADE. AND THEN YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT AND SAY, ARE WE IN COURT? SO THE TOWN BOARD IS LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT. THEY JUST LOOK AT THE CHANGES AND, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ONCE WE, ONCE THAT'S THE FINDINGS ARE SUBMITTED TO US, UM, AT THAT POINT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE PROJECT. SO WE'D WANT TO KNOW IF WE SHOULD AUTHORIZE RESOLUTION TO BE READY FOR THE SAME MEETING WHERE WE REVIEW THAT CHECKLIST. AND AS I PUT IN MY MEMO, I JUST WANT TO, WE'RE THE ONLY, NOT REALLY CONDITION, BUT A STRONG POINT THAT WAS IN THE, THE CONDITION, THE REZONING, THE CHANGE OF THE REZONING AND THE FINDINGS WAS THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, WE LOOKED AT WHY THE TOWN OF RESTRICTED CAR WASHES. IT WAS OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IT WAS ONLY IN THE SECTION OF THE EIS ABOUT COMMUNITY, CHARACTER AND AESTHETICS. SO KEEP IN MIND, IN APPROVING THIS, MAKE SURE YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT AESTHETICS WHERE WE REALIZE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, BUT MAKE SURE AESTHETICS IS A BIG THING. AND I SAID FOR DAY ONE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY SORT OF NEON LIGHTING. PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT. SO THAT IS NOT THE AESTHETICS OF THEON LIGHTING. SO BILL, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHERE WE GOT TO THIS BEFORE IS WE HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, THE NOTES HERE FROM FROM WENDELL TALK ABOUT GUEST PLAN. BUT WE HAD GONE THROUGH CA SKETCH PLAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW. RIGHT. SO WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO DOING OUR RESOLUTIONS. YEAH. AND THEN WE HAD TO AMEND THE FINDINGS THAT WAS ABOUT THE LAST. SO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE DETAILED EVALUATION AND BASED ON THE HEADS NODDING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS SITE PLAN IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE SITE PLAN. CORRECT. THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED TO DATE AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES. YEAH. SO I THINK CAITLYN, YOU LAST TOOK A LOOK AT THIS, YOU BEGAN YOUR REVIEW LAST NOVEMBER. YEP. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PENDING REQUEST FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, I BELIEVE ON AP DURING THE MEETING ON APRIL 21ST. IT WAS A MEETING PRIOR TO THAT, TWO MEETINGS PRIOR TO THAT THAT WE FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THE FINDING STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 22ND, 2006 IN THE CORRELATING ZONING CONDITION. AS DREW INDICATED DURING THE TOWN BOARDS MEETING ON JULY 12TH, THEY ADOPTED RESOLUTIONS BY UNANIMOUS VOTES AMENDING THE FINDING STATEMENT AND REMOVING THE ZONING CONDITION PROHIBITING COMMERCIAL CAR WASHES. THE ONLY OTHER POINTS I WANT TO NOTE IS IN EXACTLY WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. [00:55:02] WE DO HAVE ALL OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW AND APPROVALS IN PLACE NOW. UH, CAMI ISSUED A MEMO ON BEHALF OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON APRIL 16TH. WE DID RECEIVE SANITARY SEWER APPROVAL FROM THE ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT ON APRIL 15TH. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY ON JUNE 2ND, ANTHONY ALFI FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS WAS HERE, RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE FROM THE ERIE COUNTY WATER FACILITY. SO ALL OF OUR APPROVALS ARE IN PLACE. OBVIOUSLY AS WE RECALL, THE KEY BENEFIT OF THE SITE IS, BESIDES BACK PROPERLY ZONED THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUT ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. THERE IS THAT EXISTING RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY. SO WE DO THINK THAT YOU'RE HOPEFULLY IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD AUTHORIZE THE CLAIM DEPARTMENT PREPARE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS WE'RE ASKING FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OR PRELIMINARY PLAT SIMPLY TO CREATE A PARCEL CONSISTING OF THE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES THAT WE'RE PURCHASING. WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE FILE A MAP COVER AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE BE WAIVED. AND THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT PARCEL VIA THE RECORDING OF A DEED AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. SO THE REMAINING PARCEL WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE OUT, STILL HAVE ADEQUATE FRONTAGE. THE, SO BOTH THE PARCEL YOU'RE CREATING AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL STILL INCLUDE ADEQUATE ROAD FRONTAGE THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPABLE REASONABLY DEVELOPED. OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. YEAH. THE HAMBURG, THE OVERALL HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK PROPERTY, AGAIN, WHICH GOES BACK ALL THE WAY, 2006 IS ABOUT 28 ACRES. SO IT HAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE FRONTAGE. THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS A REQUIRED FRONTAGE ON RILEY ALSO THE ENTRANCE. JOE, GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SIR. JOE SPINO. UM, THE ENTRANCE ON THE BOTTOM ALSO IS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO CONTINUE ON TO PARK. RIGHT. SO HERE. YEP. SO THAT'S JUST GONNA, THEY SO THEY'RE SO THEY'RE THEY'RE KEEPING THAT PROPERTY. YEAH. SO THEY'RE KEEPING THE STRIP ACROSS THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE RETAINING THIS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THOSE AND THEN THIS PARCEL IS EXPECTED, EXPECTED TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON BOTH RILEY AND THEN IT ALSO HAS SOME FRONTAGE ON IT DOES, BUT THE PRIMARY ROOF FRONTAGE IS CONSIDERED BE RILEY, RIGHT? OR IS IT SOUTHWESTERN? I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS. I THINK CURRENTLY THE PARCELS ARE LISTED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ERIE COUNTY, GIS IS ZERO SOUTH PARK AND ZERO SOUTH PARK. THE ONLY PLACE THEY'RE GONNA GET CURB CUTS IF THEY PUT ANYTHING THERE. WELL, ASSUMING IT DOESN'T GET OH RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS THE BACK. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS SO YOU CAN YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. WE KNOW THERE'S, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT DOT IS GONNA ALLOW ANY ADDITIONAL CURBS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN AND THAT'S WHY THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE BURKE FAMILY IS RETAINING THE RIGHTS TO THE SOUTHWESTERN FRONTAGE. SO THEY COULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO, THEY PROVIDE THAT. AND I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL TISI THINK THE ONLY ACCESS FOR THAT REMAINING PARCEL WILL BE ON RILEY BOULEVARD. I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE BECAUSE THE LIGHT WILL EVENTUALLY GO IN. WELL THE LIGHT YEAR, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER CURB CUT BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND WHATEVER. SO THE ORIGINAL, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO MEND THE TIS AND DO THAT IF YOU WERE YEAH. AND THE BURKE FAMILY INSTALLED RILEY BOULEVARD BASED ON THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FROM THAT CONCLUDED MAY OF 2006, THAT ROAD WASN'T THERE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT WAS REQUIRED TO REDUCE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THIS INFORMATION. SOMEONE SAID TO ME THE DIVIDED BOULEVARD WAS RELIEVED THE TRAFFIC OF THE SCHOOL. IT HAS THAT BENEFIT. THE RIDE BOULEVARD WAS BUILT FOR, FOR THIS THIS BUSINESS PARK. RIGHT. SO IT HELPS WITH THE SCHOOL ALLOWS, ALLOWS DEDICATED TO THE TOWN, BUT IT'S BUILT FOR THIS OFFICE PARK. JURIS. WHAT LIGHT ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THAT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED? WHAT LIGHT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED? UM, AT THE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF RILEY AND SOUTHWEST, THERE'S A LIGHT GOING IN THERE. THE THE AND THERE AND THERE'S EVEN A, A CHANGING THE SIGNALIZATION AND WHATEVER. IF YOU READ THE OLD REPORT, I CAN REMEMBER THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A SIGNALED INTERSECTION WITH UH, AND THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE ALL THESE AND MAKE THIS WHOLE AREA WORK BETTER THAT YOU'D HAVE. SO THAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN. SO THAT, SO THAT WHEN IT IS FULLY, WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC ON IT THAT WOULD WARRANT IT, THEN THE LIGHT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN. SO WHO MAKES THE DECISION ON SOUTHWESTERN THAT'S BE DOT YES. SIGNAL IS GOING BY CONSIDERING A CARWASH ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT. AND WE WERE TOLD THERE'S NO WAY THEY WOULD PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. OH NO, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL. THAT WAS NOT, THERE WAS NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AT THE CAR WASH. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLAN FOR EVENTUALLY NO, WE'RE TALKING PREVIOUS. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EVENTUAL PLANS WHEN TRAFFIC IS TO A CERTAIN POINT, THERE'S NO DATE. RIGHT. SO LET'S BOULEVARD, BUT LET'S, LET'S SO IT'S LIKE, LIKE HOWARD AND YEAH. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW DOT DOES THIS. DOT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO INSTALL TRAFFIC SIGNALS PROSPECTIVELY. RIGHT. THE TRAFFIC HAS TO BE THERE ON THE ROADWAYS TO JUSTIFY IT. AND WHILE DREW'S CORRECT WAS ENVISION THAT MAY OCCUR AT SOME POINT IN TIME. KEEP IN MIND [01:00:01] THE ORIGINAL BUILD OUT OF THIS PROJECT WAS OVER 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERALLY OFFICE SPACE. GIVEN THAT THE NATURE OF THE USE HAS NOT BEEN OFFICE SPACE. OFFICE SPACE HAS A HIGH AM PEAK DEMAND AND WEEKDAY PM PEAK DEMAND, YOU MAY NEVER REACH THE NUMBERS THAT JUSTIFY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. IT'S, IT'S TRENDING NEXT INTERSECTION WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE NEXT INTERSECTION. RIGHT. AND IT'S YOUR, YOUR INTERSECTION, JUST YOUR INTERSECTION YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. THAT'S ALREADY THERE. ALREADY CONTROLLED. CORRECT. SO THAT EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO RILEY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE TOWN WHERE THE LIGHT WAS GONNA DOWN BY GREEN? YES. OKAY. ACTUALLY BY THE OTHER LOCATION IT'S OVER. IT'S OVER. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S OVER WHERE? BACK DOWN A MINUTE. TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER LIGHT. RIGHT. THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WAS RIGHT WHERE YOU POINTED TO. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. YEP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LIGHT OVER HERE. YEAH. LIGHT WAS CONFUSING AND I DUNNO THAT WE SHOULDA HAVE EVEN BROUGHT IT UP. WELL, IT WAS CONFUSING WHEN HE SAID IT AND I'M THINKING WHITE, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? I KNEW ABOUT THE WRITE IN AND WRITE OUT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY MODIFICATION TO THAT EXISTING WRITE IN, WRITE OUT DRIVEWAY OF THE SOUTH. SO BILL, I AGREE WITH YOUR SYNOPSIS. THAT WHAT I WAS HOPING FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT IS AUTHORIZATION TO PUT OBVIOUSLY THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE SEEKER FORM, I WILL GET TO YOU. I'VE STARTED FILLING IT OUT. YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT. UM, THE ISSUE IS WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, REMEMBER WITH ANY SPECIAL PERMIT, TYPICALLY I LIKE, WE HAVE CONDITIONS WITH SPECIAL PERMIT. I MENTIONED ONE. YES. UM, SO THINK ABOUT OTHER CONDITIONS. IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TONIGHT AS CONDITIONS. UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? ARE YOU OKAY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T THINK OF OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WANT, OBVIOUSLY SKY CLIENT LIGHTING, DARK SKY, THAT'D BE FINE. NO NEON LIGHTING WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND CAITLIN, LAST TIME WE MET YOU WANTED US TO CHAIN DOWN THE TREES TO THE TOWN LAST AND WE DID THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW. SO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WE HAVE, REMEMBER THERE WAS INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD ASKING THAT WE SUBSTITUTE SOME OF THE QUOTE UNQUOTE NON COUNTLESS VEGETATION WITH STUFF THAT'S ON THE APPROVED LIST THAT WAS UPDATED AND PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. I BELIEVE THAT WAS PRESENTED DURING THE MEETING IN MARCH. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT IN CAMMY'S MEMO DATED APRIL 16TH, SHE INDICATED THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT. THE UPDATED PLAN WAS SUBMITTED IN MARCH. YES. AND PRESENTED TO YOU OVER THE COURSE OF TWO MEETINGS APRIL 7TH AND APRIL 21ST. SO FRONT ONLY ONCE BEFORE WITH THE CAR WASH. BUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS BOTH HAVE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE. SORRY, RAN INTO IT. THEIR CAR WASH ONCE THEY STARTED STORING STUFF OUTSIDE. UM, ONE THING WE'VE RUN INTO AND ANOTHER, AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM HERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE DECIMAL RATINGS ON YOUR CAR WASH. WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE HONDA CAR WASH. THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH NOISE RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, JUST MAKE SURE I HAVE A DECAL RATING AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FOR THE NEAR WE, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS ONE STILL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR NO, LIKE, UH, EIGHT. NINE. EIGHT OR NINE. ALRIGHT. BUT STILL, I JUST LIKE A DECAL RATING. SO YOU STAYED ON THE RECORD. THIS IS THE DECIBEL RATING. DID WE HAVE THAT? YEAH. SO DREW, WE DID, WHEN WE DID THE MOTION FOR REZONING ON THE CAR WASH ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAD CONDITIONS AND I KNOW THAT MOTION DIDN'T PASS AND WE ALSO HAD THAT CAR WASH ON CAMP ROAD THAT WE APPROVED RECENTLY THAT HAD CONDITIONS AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH DOORS. UM, AND, AND THE NOISE CLOSED. SO, SO WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THOSE CONDITIONS AND PUT THEM ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR THIS PROJECT? YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, LIKE I SAID, I'LL LOOK AT THE RELATIVE DISTANCE THAT HE HOUSE. IT'S A SIMPLE, THIS IS, THIS IS FARTHER AWAY FROM HOUSES. YEAH, I DON'T, THE OTHER ONE WE'RE HUNDRED 50 FEET OFF THE ROAD. RIGHT. CLOSE TO 200, PROBABLY 200, 200 FEET. 2 25 CLOSEST BUT NOT A HOUSE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HOUSE. PARTICULARLY WHILE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THEY GO INTO THE WASH, THE DOOR SHUTS BEHIND THEM, THE STUFF GOES, THE DOOR OPENS, THEY COME BACK OUT AGAIN. SO YOU'RE, TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF THE DECIBELS, IF YOU'RE STANDING, UH, LIKE A VACUUM SYSTEM, YOU'RE STANDING BY THE TUR TURBINE. IT'S 85 DECIBELS STANDING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF IT. AN AVERAGE TALKING CONVERSATION IS BETWEEN 60, I THINK 60 70 WHEN WE TALK. AND THEN, UH, IT GOES DOWN FROM THERE. SO AS YOU WALK AWAY FROM THE TURBINE, IT GOES LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER QUITE QUICKLY. SO THE DOORS BE HAVING TO BE CLOSED. WOULD THAT CHANGE HOW IT'S OPERATED? YEAH. OKAY. YES. SO, SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE ONLY NOISE THAT COMES OUT OF THE TUNNEL ITSELF IS THE DRIVERS. SO THE, SO THE LOUDEST THING ON THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY THE TURBINE THAT'S IN THE LOCK LOT. SO I THINK THE, THE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE MOST RECENT CAR WASH THAT WE PROVED THAT MR. HOPKINS IS FAMILIAR WITH, WE DID REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THE DOORS. BUT THAT WAS A BAY WASH, A WASH. [01:05:02] IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. I GUESS WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE WASH. YEAH, YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE TO QUICKLY GET CARS THROUGH. RIGHT. AND IT'S A FASTER PROCESS. I MEAN IF YOU, IN THE WINTERTIME, IF YOU GO TO DELTA SONIC, THEY TRY CLOSING THE DOOR AND TRY TO KEEP THE EATING AND BUSY DAYS. THEY JUST KIND OF LET IT GO. SO IN THE WINTERTIME, THE DOOR WILL BE CLOSED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE SUMMERTIME, THEY KEEP THEM OPEN. HAVE YOU, YOU WERE CONSTRUCTING, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, THIS YOU WERE ALSO CONSTRUCTING ONE IN WEST SENECA? YES. YEAH. RIGHT NEXT TO HOUSES CONSTRUCTED. IS THAT OPERATIONAL? NO, NO. WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH, RIGHT INTO BUILDING MATERIAL. ISN'T THERE? ONE IS, DO YOU HAVE ONE OP OPERATIONAL ANYWHERE? UH, NOT OURS. NO. NO. IT'S MODEL VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE A ROYAL CAR WASH, WHICH WOULD BE THE CLOSEST THING WOULD BE A ROYAL CAR WASH, CAR WASH. ROYAL CAR WASH. IT'S SIMILAR BUT YOU ROYAL CAR. RIGHT. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL. BUT WE'RE NOT ROYAL. A ROYAL WE HAVE PLASTIC CHASSIS. RIGHT. AND YOUR AND YOUR VAC, YOU JUST SAID YOUR VACUUMS ARE OUTSIDE. RIGHT? SO THE VACUUM TURBINE IS OUTSIDE AND THAT'S, UM, THE ACTIONS JUST TOOK THE MUFFLER SYSTEM THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE OLD MUFFLER IS ABOUT THIS BIG AND THEY MADE IT ALMOST ABOUT 28 INCHES AND ALMOST 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER. JUST SILENCE IT EVEN MORE. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM 85 DECIBEL TO SO CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT TO THOSE SPECS, JOE? YEAH, THE DECIBEL. YEAH. IT'S ONLINE TOO. I KNOW, BUT SO WE CAN SHARE WITH THE BOARD. YEAH, THE DECIBEL. ACTUALLY I HAVE A DECIBEL METER. UM, IT CAME UP IN OUR WEST CENTER PROJECT. I DOWNLOADED A DECIBEL APP AND I DID IT MYSELF. UM, BUT IT ACTUALLY MATCHED WHAT THEY MANUFACTURERS HAD AS WELL. YEAH, THERE IS, THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND ON THE HARD WAY. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD A DECIBEL ON YOUR PHONE NOW AND IT'S VERY ACCURATE. IT'S PRETTY ACCURATE. AND ACTUALLY BY TURNING RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT 65 70 DECI AND I 85. SO TO GIVE AN IDEA, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO AWA THOUGH. THEY SOLD IT, IT WAS, IT WAS WHATEVER, 70 DECIBELS AND THEN IT, THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE, WELL ALL THE PEOPLE NOW THAT OPERATION STAND THERE WITH THE PHONE AND IT'S LIKE 10 15 DECI IS WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS GONNA BE IT. EXACTLY. IT'S HOMES RIGHT UP, RIGHT UP. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE. THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY CLOSE. VERY CLOSE. CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATE IS ON THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN? SO THE DATE ON THIS LANDSCAPING PLAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S DATED FEBRUARY 18TH, 2021. NO, WE LOOKED IT UP, BUT THAT DATE I BELIEVE IS WRONG. IT DOES REFLECT THE PLANTING SCHEDULE WAS ACTUALLY MARCH 28TH. MARCH 28TH. I BELIEVE I LOOKED, I LOOKED IT UP. THE DATE ON THAT IS WRONG, BUT IT MATCHED IT IDENTICALLY TO THE, UH, MARCH 28TH IS WRONG, RIGHT? IT'S THE CURRENT PLAN. IT'S SO TREES ACTUALLY ARE ALL THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, ALL THE MAPLE TREES. I WASNT SURE THAT ED ED DATE YEAH, DON'T MAKE SOLVE. WE JUST FOUND THAT ERROR ACTUALLY. YEAH, THEY WERE SITTING BUT THERE WASN'T ONE ON THIS ONE. MAYBE YOU HAVE ONE. THIS IS, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THEM TO PROCEED TO DEVELOP THE FINDING? WE DO AND THE RESOLUTION. A WHOLE BUNCH OF RESOLUTION. RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR SEEGER SPECIAL USE PERMIT. MINOR SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN FOR J-S-E-K-L-L-C, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MRS. FER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AND ARE WE OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT OF NO MAP COVER BEING REQUIRED JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION? THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE. WE'RE PRINTING JUST ONE PARCEL. YEAH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SOME EASEMENT OR WHATEVER WE MAKE FILE THAT COVER, ESPECIALLY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE WAIVE THAT COVER BILL FILE ANYWAY, BUT WE, WE WAIVE SOMETHING. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, KIM? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOB JOHNSON REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A BREWERY RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO 4 0 4 6 LAKE SHORE. UM, BY THE WAY, YOUR MEMO, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, IT HAS YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS BECAUSE I MADE SOME CHANGES TO MY MEMO THAT I SENT OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK. THE BIG CHANGE I JUST MENTION IS, AND IT AFFECTS YOU HOLDING YOUR HEARINGS ON THIS, IS THAT IF YOU'RE REALLY GONNA PROPOSE A RETAIL BUILDING UP FRONT HERE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, REGIONAL IS NOT A A SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED USE. IT'S ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE BREWERY AND RESTAURANT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT BECAUSE IT'S WATERFRONT ENHANCED THE RESTAURANT. BUT THE RETAIL BUILDING, IF THEY'RE INTO A RETAIL BUILDING, IT'S GOTTA REQUIRE A SPECIAL RESTAURANT. SO THE, THE RESTAURANT IS BECAUSE [01:10:01] THE PRIMARY USE OF BREWERY OR THE PRIMARY, I THINK THE PRIMARY USE IS THE RESTAURANT AND THE BREWERIES KIND OF LIKE A ATTRACTION, A SECONDARY. SO, BUT MY QUES A QUESTION THAT I HAD ABOUT THE BREWERY WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WOULD THERE BE ANY SMELL? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY BECAUSE THE BREWERY BEING A USE THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED HOW THE BREWERY WAS GONNA IMPACT THE AREA IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER. SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF QUESTIONS. HOW TO FIGURE OUT A LOT OF BREWERY TOURS. MY HUSBAND TYPICALLY, YEAH, TYPE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A LOT OF, IN NEW YORK THEM, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THEM DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE JUST REALLY A SMALL AREA. REALLY NOT YOU CONSIDER A, A FULL SCALE BREWERY LIKE I DID THE MILWAUKEE. THOSE ARE BREWERIES. YOU SMELL THEM RIGHT? WE SMELL THEM EVERYWHERE IN TOWN. JUST LIKE CHEERIO. NO, THERE SHOULD BE, BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY WELL I WAS ASKING. NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S ALL THAT. IT'S ALL INSIDE OF EQUIPMENT. THERE'S NO . SO. GOOD EVENING. SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. ALSO WITH ME IS BOB JOHNSON, THE APPLICANT AND ANTHONY OL FROM CARINA WOOD. MORRIS. AS YOU RECALL, THIS PROJECT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU DURING YOUR WORK SESSION ON MAY 5TH. I BELIEVE LAYOUT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT. WE DID PREPARE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, SITE PLAN, APPLICATION, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM. ALL THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO SARAH DEJARDIN. I WOULD NOTE I SPOKE TO SARAH YESTERDAY AND SHE INDICATED THAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ALSO SEND THIS OUT FOR COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. I BELIEVE YOU AUTHORIZED THAT ALREADY AT YOUR MEETING ON MAY 5TH. AS DREW INDICATED, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE, WE WOULD NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RETAIL BUILDING. SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, I THINK WE COULD AMEND OR FILE A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. BOB'S INTENTION IS OBVIOUSLY THE FOCUS ON THE RESTAURANT, THE BREWERY FIRST. THIS WOULD BE A HOLDING PLACE, RIGHT? UNTIL YOU FIND A FUTURE TENANT. BUT GIVEN THAT WE KNOW WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO IT, I THINK WE MIGHT AS WELL INCLUDE IT IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS NOW, UH, INSTEAD OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WAS ON RIGHT, THAT WAS A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THAT PLAN, YOU'LL REMOVE THAT NOTE FROM THERE. GOOD TO LET US KNOW, BUT THE NO WILL NOT HEAR. SO THE ACTUAL PLAN WE STAND, RIGHT. THE CONCERN I HAVE, AND I'M GONNA CALL OUT LIKE THE STARBUCKS AND NOW THE MOS THAT ARE GOING IN. I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT AUTHORIZING A RETAIL SPACE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT SATURDAY MORNING AT STARBUCKS DRIVE THE, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH, BACKS UP ONTO CAMP ROAD. AND I GUESS EITHER WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY, IF WE ARE GONNA PURSUE THAT AND PEARL ON NOT KNOWING THE TENANT OR WHAT'S GOING IN THERE, A WAY TO EITHER HAVE YOU COME BACK SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT NO OTHER CONDITIONS ARE APPROPRIATE OR OTHER THINGS OR WE NEED TO COME UP WITH CONDITIONS NO DRIVE THROUGH. LIKE WHATEVER MAKES SENSE TO GO THERE BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE IT THAT WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE AUTHORIZE SOMETHING WHERE MAYBE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A ROWING TO BE EVALUATED. WELL, I THINK AS ALL DRIVE THROUGH CONDITION IN THAT SPOT THE REASONABLE CONDITION. OR WOULD THE CONDITION BE THAT IF AN, IF THERE IS A PERSPECTIVE TENANT, WHAT THE DRIVE THROUGH COMES BACK AND FOR THE BOARD FOR AN ANALYSIS. BOB, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ENVISION THAT BUILDING WOULD BE? NO. YEAH, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW AT ALL. MY QUESTION OR MY, MY COMMENT BACK TO THAT IS OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A LOT MORE PROPERTY THERE THAN WHAT STARBUCKS HAS APPROVED TO BE. SO IT'S NOT REALLY THING IS WE APPROVE AN AREA AND THEN THEY WENT IN WITHOUT US KNOWING THEY PUT IN A STARBUCKS IN THE MOWS AND WE'RE THE PEOPLE TAKING THE HEAT AND THE TRAFFIC TANK. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN HOLD AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE. NO, BUT WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO GONNA BE ONE OF THESE. WELL I CAN'T TELL YOU CAN I HELP THAT ISSUE? IF THEY GET APPROVED THE RETAIL BUILDING WITH A SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT, THEY CAN'T PUT A DRIVE THROUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S GONNA BE NO DRIVE THROUGH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT DRIVE THROUGH, NOT ALLOWED. IT'S A RETAIL BUILDING BY SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT. IT'S A SPECIFIC FOR THAT. I EXPECT ANYTHING THAT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH PROBABLY COMPETE WITH PEGS PLACE AND THEY WOULDN'T WANNA PUT IT THERE. DRIVE, DRIVE FITS AND WE'RE NOT DESIGNING THIS SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS ISN'T DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY. WELL WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RE WHAT, WHEN YOU SAY RETAIL, WHAT TYPE OF A TENANT ARE YOU TARGETING SO THAT WE CAN SAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOTHING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF LIKE ARE TALKING ABOUT WELL WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT SEVEN 11? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER BRIDAL? SH I MEAN NO. OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN I GUESS SOME SORT OF DIRECTION WHAT YOU'RE SHOPPING, THE SIMPLEST THING'S GONNA BE THAT IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME FOR, COME BACK FORTH. I WOULD SAY IT'S ESPECIALLY USE [01:15:01] LIKE IT'S ALREADY ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING A CRITICAL LOOK AT AND CONSIDERING. AND IF IT'S, I THINK TO DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING ANY INFORMATION OF WHAT THAT PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, WHAT THEIR GOALS AND INTENTIONS ARE. I THINK THAT'S JUST, IT'S RISKY ON OUR PURPOSE. SO WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. LET'S REACH A CONSENSUS ON THIS. SO I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, AND I DEFER TO ANTHONY AND CAM, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE OF THAT RETAIL BUILDING, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR ENGINEERING AND YOUR SITE DESIGN? WELL LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DIDN'T REALLY DESIGN THE SITE AS THIS FOR ANYTHING WITH THE DRIVE, WE DON'T SHOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE JUST KIND OF A SHELF BUILDING. SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE REDESIGNED IF THAT WERE THE CASE. I MEAN YEAH, BUT MEANING, SO IF WE REMOVE THAT BUILDING, IF WE REMOVE THAT BUILDING FROM THE PLAN, NOW LEMME JUST PLAY THIS OUT AND SAID POINT WELL TAKEN UNTIL WE KNOW, HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT THE TENANT WOULD BE. LET'S NOT PROPOSE THAT. WOULD IT AFFECT WHAT YOU DO IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING OR WOULD YOU JUST TAKE THAT OFF? OH NO, NO. YEAH, WE COULD JUST, SO MAYBE WE COULD JUST KNOCK THAT OFF. I WOULD EXPECT THE STORM SYSTEM TO BE DESIGNED ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE THE PERMIT SPECIFICALLY STATES A LARGER DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE STORM WATER CALCULATION IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND REDO IT. NO, NO. I WOULDN'T WANNA DO AND I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE JUST WITH UH, SOME KIND OF SORT OF SIZE THAT SAYS THAT MORE. I LIKE THAT AREAS. YEAH, DEFINITELY. BUT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUIRED UNDER YOUR SPEEDING PERMIT, AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTED ANYTHING YOU HAVE PRESENTED SHOWING IT, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT CHECKS THAT BOX AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US ANYWAY TO DO IT. ANYTHING DEVELOPED, LET'S SAY IN THAT OTHER PART OF PROPERTY IS NOT ON A TABLE, YOU HAVEN'T OPPOSED ANYTHING, THEREFORE IT CAN BE INDEPENDENT AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN APPROVE A SHE BUILDING ON THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THE SHORELINE HAS DIFFERENT AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS. SO WE HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE BUILDING OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S ALL SORT OF THINGS THAT JUST IF WE DID THE APPROVAL FOR OUR RETAIL AND WHAT IF FOUR YEARS FROM NOW THEY HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND THE OWNER, IT'S NOT RETAIL. THERE'S SOME OTHER BUSINESS THAT'S THRIVING THAT YOU WANNA PUT IN THERE, BUT YOU ALREADY GOT APPROVED FOR RETAIL. LIKE, I HATE TO PUT ONE MORE OBSTACLE FOR YOU TO DEAL WITH AS WELL. WELL, SO NOW I GOTTA FIND SOMEBODY THAT FITS WHAT I TOLD 'EM I WAS GONNA PUT IT IN. SO, SO AS FAR AS THE CONSENSUS GOES, HOW ABOUT WE GO AS FAR AS WE CAN WITH SOMEWHAT APPROVING THAT SOMETHING WILL GO IN THAT SPACE KNOWING THAT WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN THAT SPACE, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET THE FINAL YEAH. I YOU CAN FURTHER DEVELOP THIS. RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE GOING HAVE TO MEET RIGHT. THE SHORTLINE CONDITIONS LIKE YOU WOULD ANYWAYS. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU PROBABLY NEED TO REVISIT ITS OWN SEEKER BASED ON THE USE. THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE INCLUDE IT AS PART OF SEEKER OR ANYTHING, THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS. THAT'S SENSE. YOU DON'T WANNA BUILD THAT. AND WE COULD HAVE IN OUR NOTES FOR THIS PROJECT THAT THE, THE PARKING LOT IS LARGER THAN IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL SPACES. THE STORM WATERS DESIGNED FOR A POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECT. EXACTLY. SO, SO WE CAN DISCUSS IF THERE'S POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECT. I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA KNOW, BOB'S MOST IMPORTANT THING FROM A TIMING CONCERN IS YOU'D LIKE TO BE, TO START THIS BUILDING THIS YEAR. SO THAT ALSO SIMPLIFIES ALL THAT BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO MODIFY THE APPLICATION. IT'S ALREADY FILED. SO IN, IN LIGHT OF ALL THAT, I GUESS WHAT WE WOULD ASK SIMPLY THIS EVENING IS THAT YOU SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PENDING REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, I ALSO GO, I WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE SHORELINE MM-HMM I'D LIKE AT SOME POINT FOR YOU GUYS TO GO IN FRONT OF THAT SHORELINE COMMITTEE. I THINK THEIR NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 19TH. SO, SO YEAH, THEIR MEETINGS, UH, THEIR NEXT MEETING AUGUST 19TH. BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOB JOHNSON FOR AUGUST 4TH. I GOT A QUESTION. GOT A QUESTION. I GOT A QUESTION, BOB. I WAS OVER AT THE SITE TALKING TO PEOPLE THERE. I STARTED PROPERTY. PROPERTY. HOW MANY FEET IS IT WHERE? THE ROOM YOU PROPOSING WHERE THOSE RESIDENTS LIVE IN THAT BUILDING THAT'S NOT HERE? THE APARTMENTS? YEAH. I'M JUST QUICK, QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE I WALKED IT OFF BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE 40 FEET OFF THE OH NO, WE'RE, I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT ONE 60 IF I HAD TO GUESS 160 BUILDING FROM THE EDGE OF OUR BUILDING TO THAT, TO THAT. THAT'S NOT YOUR BUILDING? NO. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THERE'S RESIDENCE IN THERE. SO WHEN THE BREWERY GOES IN, I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY FEET FROM THERE. YEAH, OUR BUILDING IS A HUNDRED FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. THE BUILDING IS BUT WHERE, WHERE'S THE BREWERY? ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING. THAT'S THE BUILDING. THE BREW'S [01:20:01] IN THE DEPART. I KNOW, BUT HOW, WHERE LOCATED THE BUILDING. I'M TALKING RIGHT HERE IS THE BUILDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. TO THE LEFT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S ON THAT SIDE. YEAH, NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE. RIGHT BY THE WATER. BY THE WATER ON THE LEFT SIDE. NOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TEXTBOOK PLACE, THANK YOU. AND HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH STATE VIEW ABOUT THIS ENTRANCE? I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A GIS WITH SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE AN INTERESTING WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE COMING FROM ANYWHERE DOWN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOMEHOW GET AROUND AND COME IN THE RESTAURANT TWO WAYS. IN IT'S TWO WAYS. YEAH. ONE ON BOTH SIDES. RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CURB CUT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY THAT'S A NEW CURB CUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE DOT PERMIT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GENERATE A HUNDRED SQUARE FISH PER DAY, SO I DON'T THINK, OR PER HOUR THEY'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE A TIS BUT I WOULD DO SOME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, SITE DISTANCES, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. SO JUST BE PREPARED FOR THAT IN THE PAST AND NOT AGREED FOR SOMETHING AT ENTRANCE LIKE THAT. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA ORDER 38 PARKING SPOTS FOR THIS PROJECT? THAT'S NOT INCLUDING NO, NO. AND REMEMBER, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A PARK, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A PARKING LOT THAT WE HOPE WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE POTENTIAL FUTURE RETAIL BUILDING THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE APPROVAL PROCESS. ALRIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE WANNA HEAR ANY ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT. I I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, I I'M ALWAYS SAYING IT BECAUSE I THINK WE IMP YEAH, THANK YOU. AND YOU ARE, FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU ARE CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN. WE'RE NOT CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING, ESPECIALLY, WE'RE NOT ASKING, WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING EVENTUALLY WHEN WE APPROVE THAT PLAN, RIGHT. IT'LL NOT SHOW THAT BUILDING AND IT WILL NOT SHOW THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RIGHT. THE BUILDING WILL COME OFF THE PLAN. YEAH. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE SHOW UP IN TWO WEEKS, THE PLAN WE'RE GONNA PRESENT IS NOT GONNA SHOW. SO I'LL REITERATE AND MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOB JOHNSON FOR AUGUST 4TH. MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. SHAW. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO I WOULD PROPOSE IN ADVANCE THAT WE KEEP THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL AFTER THE, THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OKAY. THAT WE HOLD IT OPEN SO THAT IF THEY SHORELINE REVITALIZATION, SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, SO THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK SURE. WE WOULD LIKE, I MEAN I BELIEVE YOU SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE. I DO. AND, AND WE CAN CONSIDER THEIR FEEDBACK EVEN IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE CAN KEEP IT OPEN. THE SHORELINE MEETING WAS THE 19TH OF AUGUST. YES. WHAT IF YOU, SO THEN THIS HEARING WILL BE HELD OPEN FOR FOUR WEEKS BECAUSE YEAH. SO WHAT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN IS WHAT WE'LL HAP WE'LL GIVE THE PRESENT WE'LL LET'S, YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY CLOSE ON AND THEY, THEY CAN GIVE THEIR COMMENTS. THEY PROVIDE YOU REVIEW MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. CAN YOU HAVE THEM PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS? WHAT WE, I CAN ASK THEM TO LISTEN TO WHAT I SAY. BUT WILL THEY ACTUALLY PEOPLE, BUT THEY'LL HOLD AN ACTUAL MEETING RIGHT? THAT WE CAN COME AND PRESENT. THEY'LL HAVE A MEETING ON THE 19TH THAT YOU COME AND PRESENT. UM, IT MIGHT BE BY ZOOM. OKAY. CUSTOM BY ZOOM. BUT UM, THEY, THEY, THEY WILL HAVE A MEETING. YEAH. AND I GUESS THEN WHAT WE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IS EVEN IF YOU DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THAT, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY ISSUE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION. AND IF, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS TRY TO GET THAT WA AF TO THEM A WEEK OR SO AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY MAY ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR DECISION. YOU SHOW UP AT NIGHT WITH THE WAF NO, NO, NO. WE KNOW. IS THAT FORM ONLINE? IT IS ONLINE. KNOW WHERE IT'S BURIED? I'M SORRY? IT'S BURIED IN, IF YOU GO THE LWRP IS ON THE TOWN WEBSITE OF THE TOWN DOCUMENTS. OKAY. IF YOU GO TO THE APPENDIX OF THE LW RRP, THE ACTUAL WF IS APP, WE REMEMBER AND GET THAT IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS GOING ON. OKAY. WE SHOULD, ANTHONY, WE CAN GET THAT IN BEFORE THE NEXT PLAY, RIGHT? YEP. ALL RIGHT. A COPY OF THAT TO, IF I DON'T BRING THAT TO THE NEXT POINT WHERE WE KNOW WOULD BE MY LAST , THIS ONE WAS GONNA BE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON SO RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DETERMINATION BUT UNDERSTANDING ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL AFTER THE EARLIEST WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 1ST. OKAY. RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE DECISION. YES. CLEAR EXPECTATIONS WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT AND THAT'S, YES. SO SEPTEMBER 1ST WOULD BE THE EARLIEST MEETING. RIGHT. AND WE'RE SO SARAH, SO SARAH'S AUTHORIZED AS PREVIOUSLY DID TO ISSUE THE 30 DAY CONSOLIDATED. YEAH. THAT WAS BACK IN. SO QUESTION ON THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AFTER YOU SUBMITTED, I THINK INCLUDES THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THE PLAN INCLUDES THE 10,000. LET'S CHANGE THAT AND DELETE IT FROM THE PLAN. IF I SEND IT OUT. YES. I DON'T WELL LET'S LET, LET'S AMEN. SARAH'S AUTHOR RE IS SEND OUT. WELL, AND, AND THE ONE WE AUTHORIZED BACK IN MAY [01:25:01] DIDN'T HAVE THAT BUILDING. NO, BUT LET'S, DREW IS CORRECT THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED, INCLUDING THE PLANS AS WELL AS THE EAF THAT ANTHONY DID INCLUDED THAT BUILDING. YEAH. LET'S AMEND THOSE. START A NEW AND TAKE THAT STUFF OFF. I GOTTA GET IT OFF. IT'S VERY EASY TO DO. WE'LL GET THAT UH, INTO SARAH WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. I KNOW IT WAS SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT? AT LEAST SEPTEMBER FOR YOU TAKE SOME ACTION. YEAH, WE KNOW THAT TIMELINE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF SEPTEMBER. BEST CASE THAT'S, AND THAT'D BE OKAY, RIGHT BOB? THAT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 1ST WE QUESTION. SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. WHAT WAS THAT TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME, YOU'RE WE'RE GONNA DO THE HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING. I WOULD SAY THAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED THEM TO COME TO THE SECOND MEETING RIGHT. IN AUGUST THAT YOU GUYS CAN THEN JUST COME TO THE FIRST MEETING SEPTEMBER WITH A RESPONSE FROM THE RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE THE CLO THE COMMENT PERIOD WILL END FOR THE 30 DAY REVIEW, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE DONE BEFORE THE OTHER WEEK. RIGHT. SO THEN YOU SKIP A MEETING AND THEN COME BACK. RIGHT. IF, IF SOME UNEXPECTED COMMENTS COME UP ON THE AUGUST 4TH MEETING, THEN WE COME BACK, YOU PROBABLY WANNA COME BACK ON THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST TO ADDRESS THOSE. BUT IF IT, IF IT GOES AS EXPECTED, UM, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE UNNECESSARY. RIGHT. THAT OKAY. NOT THAT THIS IS NOT A HIGHLIGHT. OH THIS IS REALLY HIGHLIGHT. WELL I JUST WANTED TO GET THE TIMELINE RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANNA GET YEAH. GOING ON THE DEVELOPMENT IN A PERFECT WORLD YEAH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO YES. DRIVE A BUILDING IN. I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OR FRUSTRATIONS. LISTEN, IT'S NOT ME, IT PUBLIC. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD ASKED FOR BEFORE IN YOUR BOOK IS A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN. IF YOU COULD HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. HAVE YOU DONE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THIS YET? WE DO HAVE IT, YES. THIS WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE, WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION, THE AMENDED SITE PLAN. SO, WELL, SO WE HAD PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS AT THAT ABOUT CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. THIS HAS BACK IN MAY. RIGHT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PLAN AT THAT TIME. OKAY, SO THIS IS SINCE THEN THAT'S WHAT YEAH. YEAH. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY. CHRIS ALONG TO ME AT LEAST WAS, YOU KNOW, TREES SCREENING ALONG HERE AND HERE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, WITHIN THE PARKING LOT PARKING. UM, HERE, THERE'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY THE TREES AND STUFF OUT, OUT ON THE EAST SIDE. DREW, CAN YOU PROVIDE THIS LANDSCAPING PLAN TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD? YEAH, I, SARAH WILL PUT IT IN THEIR, IN THEIR BASKET. SO NO, I'M ASKING FOR SOMEONE TO EMAIL IT TO THE CONSERVATION MANAGER WOULD NOT GO TO THE I'LL TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK SARAH OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD EMAIL IT TO THE CONSERVATION. DO YOU WANT ANTHONY, YOU, YOU WANT YOU WE'LL GET IT TO WE'LL DO, WE'RE STILL ALLOWED TO DO, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED IT YET. COURT. I STILL CAN DO IT BY EMAIL. EMAIL. SO IF I HAD ELECTRONIC DRAWINGS, I CAN DO THAT ALL BY EMAIL. OKAY. OKAY. THERE WAS ONE OTHER TOPIC I WANT TO BRING UP BOB AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE WE STARTED, YOU SAID YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTDOOR AREA. YEAH. DO YOU WANNA GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS JUST SO WE KNOW? SURE. DISCLOSE THAT ANTHONY KNOWS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS THE STORM MANAGEMENT AREA THAT OBVIOUSLY IS RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE BUILDING. WE WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO POSSIBLY PUT CORNHOLE OR SOMETHING LIKE TO THAT NATURE FOR PEOPLE WHO BE OUTSIDE WHETHER WAITING FOR TABLES BECAUSE THERE ISN'T, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, RIGHT? SO WE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO IF WE COULD OBVIOUSLY WE DISCUSS THAT IS LIKE, I THINK SHIFT IT OVER AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WHEN YOU REVISE THE SITE PLAN AND GET EVERYTHING OVER, I THINK WE WANNA SEE THAT SHIFT. YEAH, YOU DO BECAUSE WE CAN'T, I DON'T WANNA GET PART THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN YOU MOVING THINGS. SO WE'LL GO. NO, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE, WE CAN NOW PROVIDE A REVISED SUBMITTAL THAT SHOWS THAT. YEAH. SO CAN WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT PLAN SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE IT. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE PLANS, RECREATION SPACE IS NICE. RECREATIONAL EXACTLY, YES. OKAY. YEAH, JUST A LITTLE. YEAH, I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE IT BUT IT JUST CAME UP A LOT OF SENSE. SO WE'LL SHOW THAT ON THE YEAH, THAT'S BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE A VISION AND THEN WHEN I SEE THIS WHEN WE GO, I DIDN'T PLAN ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT. TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AROUND YOU SAID? NO, NO, NO. IT'S WHOLE DIFFERENT. OKAY. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A GREYHOUND TRACK. SO, SO WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO, AND DREW'S GONNA SEND THE LETTER AND THE RESOLUTION WAS ALREADY DONE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL NEED TO DO THAT. AND I GOTTA SEND A PLAN TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD EMAIL TO MARK. YES PLEASE. WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE APPLICATION AND THE A F BASED ON THE CHANGES WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING. ALRIGHT. [01:30:01] THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS THAT I DID HAND OUT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO GREAT DETAIL THIS EVENING AND IT'S SIMILAR. WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH COLORED BUILDING RENDER COLORED BUILDING, BUILDING RENDERINGS PREPARED BY DAVE SUTTON OR SUTTON ARCHITECTURE. SO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND IF YOU DO HAVE ANY INPUT, UH, BOB'S WORKED VERY DILIGENT WITH DAVE. COME ON THE VOTE. I THINK IT LOOK QUITE NICE THERE. OKAY. PROVIDE THESE TO THE IZATION COMMITTEE AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO THAT DREW AND I'LL EMAIL THOSE TWO. OKAY. WHICH I DID PROVIDE YOU A COPY TO. I THINK THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BOB JOHNSON TO AUGUST 4TH. . MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A WE LADIES, I DON'T GET THAT SUBMISSION. I CAN'T GO TO, I WANTED TO ONE OF THOSE. GOODNIGHT EVERYONE. OKAY, DREW, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO BRING UP FIRST ALL I DIDN'T BEFORE MEETING, INTRODUCE OUR OFFICE. SARAH JOINED US FROM COUNTY, COUNTY BEFORE COUNTY. SHE'S A LOT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS. GO MY STACK STUFF MESSED. ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND, THERE WE GO. SO IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CAR WASH AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRACTOR SUPPLY. TRACTOR SUPPLY. AND TOO BAD SARAH'S NOT HERE BECAUSE BOTH SARAH AND I, WELL SHE WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. TECHER SUPPLY SUBMITTED THIS EMAIL AND THIS DRAWING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE EMAIL SAYS HERE'S A DRIVE. SO ANYWAY, THEY'RE MAKING, THEY'RE MAKING, I HAVE ONE DRAWING OF THIS. THEY'RE MAKING A CHANGE TO THE EXISTING TRACTOR SUPPLY AND THEY WANTED A SITE PLAN WAIVER. THE PROBLEM IS, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE CHANGING. OKAY. WE LOOKED ON, THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THEY'RE PUTTING IN A DRIVE THROUGH AND SOMEONE SAID THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS LIKE THROUGH THE GREENHOUSE OR SOMETHING AND YOU CAN PICK UP STUFF. SO, OH, SO YOU COME IN THIS PART WHERE THE GREENHOUSE IS, RIGHT. THAT'S ALL EXISTING FENCED OFF, GATE OFF, CAN'T GET IN AND THERE'S, NOW I THINK THEY'RE GONNA ADD A DRY, SO BETWEEN THE PROPANE IN THE FRONT STORE, THEY DRIVE THROUGH WELL LIKE LIGHTS. I HAVE THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. DOESN'T HAVE A PROPANE AREA THAT YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH. SO WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY ASKED ROGER IS ASKED, OKAY, AGAIN, WE'LL DO FOR THE RESEARCH ON IT, HE WOULD ASK THAT. AND AGAIN, THE, THE PREVIOUS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IT WAS A SITE PLAN WAIVER, ROGERS DISAGREE, ROGER, ROGER LIKES TO SEND IT TO YOU TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND SAY, IS THIS OKAY IF WE DO THIS FOR A SITE PLAN WAIVER? SO THE PSYCH PLAN WAIVER WOULD INVOLVE, CAN WE SIGN OFF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? AND MR. CLARK WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT. I I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION. I I HAVE THIS, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I DO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO SITE INDICATE WHAT THEY'RE, IS THE BUILDING GONNA NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUTTING A HAVE, I MEAN THAT'S, THEY'RE REMOVING THE, SO YEAH, TWO CHOICES DOOR, THIS LETTER TO DO IT QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONTRACTORS COMING OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE NEED APPROVAL. BUT LIKE YOU, IF YOU TRUST THE FOUR OF US TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY MORE THAN WHAT SHOWN ON YOU I THIS EMAIL. DO THAT WITHOUT, WELL YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT PROVING IT. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY TO DO. WE DON'T DO THAT. TRYING THE BEGINNING IS THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE WHETHER, NOT DO IT, BUT ROGER HAS DELEGATED THAT. SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE, AND WE VIEW THE AUTHORITY. 'CAUSE ROGER SAYS, HEY, [01:35:01] IF, IF, IF I'M GONNA WAIVE THIS, I WANT YOU TO HAVE INPUT FIRST. UM, I WOULDN'T MIND IF ROGER SAID, YOU KNOW, GAVE US A RECOMMENDATION WHEN HE DID THOSE THINGS. LIKE, OH, I, I THINK IT'S FINE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT IT OR I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THESE THINGS. THE NEXT ONE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, HE DID THAT. HE SAID A THING I'M GONNA DO, BUT I'LL SHOW YOU THAT ONE. THIS ONE I'M JUST CONFUSED. I CALLED SARAH AHEAD OF TIME. SARAH SAID TO ME, SHE GOES, I COULDN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT THE DRAWING. BUT ISN'T THAT A GOOD THING? WHAT IT'S SO I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T SEE. THERE'S NO DRIVETHROUGH IS THE DRIVE THROUGH GOING BACK HERE. IT'S NOT LEGAL ON THE DRAWING. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION. ROGER MIGHT BE ABLE TO WELL YOU'RE NOT A RECOMMENDATION. YOU'RE SAYING I AGREE YOU CAN DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER. I MEAN YOU'RE NOT GIVING, YOU'RE NOT GIVING CARTE BLANCHE. YOU STILL HAVE FOUR PEOPLE REVIEWING IT AND SAYING I NEED MORE INFORMATION. I SO, SO THE DECISION IS REALLY, DO WE TRUST ROGER TO DO A WAIVER? WELL ROGER, YOU CAM AND EITHER ME OR SARAH HAVE TO SIGN THAT FORM AND I REMINDED THEM THAT THAT'S WHAT THE LAW IS. FOUR PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON. WE HAVE TO TRUST THOSE. YOU HAVE TO TRUST THOSE FOUR PEOPLE. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU USE, AND I GUESS MY CONCERN WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH IS, IS THAT THEY'RE REMOVING THE EXISTING BUILDING. ARE THEY REMOVING BY THE EXISTING BUILDINGS? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN IN RELATION TO THEIR PROPANE FILLING STATION THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND MAINTAIN THAT SEPARATE FROM WHEREVER AND WHERE IS TRAFFIC BACKING UP ADDRESS ACROSS AND THAT ISSUE WITH PROPANE, THAT WOULD NOT BE YOUR COMMENT ANYWAY. THAT'S A BUILDING AND SAFETY CODE ISSUE THAT ROGER WELL, RIGHT. I TRUST PROP THINK THAT I I WOULD ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. I WAS GONNA SIGN THAT. RIGHT. SO IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IF THE DRIVE THROUGHS PROPOSAL, THAT WOULD MEAN A FULL PLAN BOARD REVIEW WOULD BE REQUIRED. IF THEY'RE PROPOSING A DRIVE THROUGH, THEN WE HAVE TO DO A FULL SITE. IS THAT WHAT ROGER SAID THERE? THAT'S WHAT SARAH WOULD SAYING. OKAY. WHAT BUT WHAT DOES SARAH MEAN BY A DRIVE THROUGH? BECAUSE LIKE IF IT'S WHAT YOU DO AT LOWE'S WHERE YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, WELL THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEING IS THAT A DRIVE THROUGH OR IS IT DRIVE THROUGH A RESTROOM? IT'S UP TO THEM TO EXPLAIN. WE SHOULDA HAVE TO, THAT'S CODE INTERPRETATION. THAT'S UP TO ROGER. WHETHER NOT DRIVE THROUGH. SO IT'S UP DRIVE TO DECIDE IF DRIVE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH THAT IS WE HAVE ROGER HE TO SEE, SO HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW DO WE DO THIS? AND, AND THEN, AND I MIGHT NOT TRUST OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO THE SAME. BUT I DO TRUST AND LET'S DO THIS, LET'S DO THIS. WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. OH YEAH. IF BETWEEN KIMMY MYSELF, YOU, BILL AND ROGER, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE THINK. ROGER AND ROGER, WE WILL SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. RIGHT. I MEAN IF IT REALLY IS, I'M OPENING UP AN AREA JUST TO DRIVE THROUGH SO THEY CAN THROW THE BAGS IN YOUR, IN YOUR THEY'RE TAKING WELL I THINK, I THINK BUT I CAN'T TELL. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SARAH SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE GREENHOUSE WHERE THEY CAN PUT STUFF IN YOUR CAR LIKE YOU DO A PLOT. BUT LIKE HAS IT LIKE ING DRIVE THROUGH, CORRECT? YEAH. IN THE OUTSIDE AREA OF LOAD. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I HAD TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND GO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. BUT THEY WANT SITELINE WAIVER. YOU GONNA LOAD YOU, IT'S A PICKUP SHOW A RECEIPT, YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING IN THE STORE AND YOU PICK IT UP. HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? WE, IF IT'S A LOADING ZONE, THEN WE'RE OKAY WITH THE WAIVER, RIGHT? IF IT'S NOT A LOADING ZONE, THEN WE'RE NOT. THEN WE'LL COME BACK. THERE WE GO. YOU HAVE TO TRUST THIS GUY. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT MAKES SENSE? ALRIGHT. AND I APOLOGIZE. I I FELT AWKWARD. I CALLED SARAH BEFORE THE MEETING AND SAID, WHAT IS THIS? I CAN'T. SO I SAID, WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S RIGHT. SO, SO IF IF THEY'RE JUST ADDING A DOOR SO YOU CAN DRIVE IN AND THEN A DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU DRIVE OUT WITH ALL YOUR STUFF OR A TRACTOR. YEAH, YOU BRING IN YOUR, THEY LOAD THE TRACTOR ON YOUR TRUCK, WHATEVER. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A LOADING ZONE. IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. WHAT YOUR SECOND, SECOND ONE IS, IS THERE'S A GUY ON, OH SHE EMAILED. YEAH, THIS ONE'S FROM A DOC. I LIKE THIS GUY. HE SIGNED A CHIROPRACTICALLY, YOURS, [01:40:01] A CHIROPRACTOR WHO OWNS A BUSINESS ON MOZU, I DUNNO THE GUY'S NAME HE WANTS TO BUILD, HE HAS A BUSINESS FROM ROAD AND WHY IT'S HERE IS THAT HE WANTS TO PUT A GARAGE AT THE BACK TO SCORE HIS OWN VEHICLE. AND ROGER GOES, WELL TYPICALLY IF YOU ADD SOMETHING IN A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, IT'S A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT IT'S SMALL ENOUGH. BUT HE IS JUST CONFUSED ABOUT IT. HE SAID, WELL YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH US DOING A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR THIS GUY FOR A GARAGE AT THE BACK OF HIS, AT THE BACK OF HIS COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. WHAT ARE THE ZONES? HIS ZONE COMMERCIAL. HE IS OWNED COMMERCIAL BUT THE CLOCKS NEXT TO HIM. I DON'T KNOW. AND IT USED TO BE A STORE, LIKE IT USED TO BE A FISH MONITOR AS OPPOSED TO A AQUATIC. RIGHT. SEE I DIDN'T TALK TO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. THAT MAKES IT AWKWARD FOR ME BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE EMAIL AND DRAWING IT OVER. IT'S NOT FAR FROM MAKE, IT USED TO BE A FISH STORE YEARS AGO. LIKE, LIKE A CLARKS FISH STORE. FISH MONGER WHAT? FISH MONGER. FISH MONGER. ALRIGHT. FISH THAT YOU EAT. FISH THAT FISH THAT YOU CALL. SO AGAIN, IT QUALIFIES FOR A CYCLING WAIVER. IT'S A SMALL BUILDING, WHATEVER. IT'S JUST STRANGE THAT HE'S PUTTING A RESIDENTIAL GARAGE ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WELL IT'S, IT'S COVERED PARKING FOR HIM WHILE HE'S AT WORK. IT'S HIS BUSINESS. RIGHT? IT'S HIS CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE. I ASSUME IT'S, I'M ASSUMING. YEAH, HE IS DOING REALLY WELL AND HE'S PROBABLY GOT SOME EXOTIC CAR THAT WANTS IT'S RIGHT OVER BY RED TOP. I WENT BY IT, I WENT BY WAS THERE? YEAH, IT'S BY RED TOP. PART OF MY CONCERN WAS IT'S A, A TIGHT PARCEL. LIKE IT'S, IT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO MEET ALL THE, THE REQUIREMENTS TO SET A GARAGE. IT'S A SETBACK REQUIREMENT. ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHATEVER. YEAH, I THINK IT'S RED PIZZER. OKAY, WHICH ONE OF THESE? IT'S RIGHT HERE. WHICH ONE OF THESE RED STRIP? SO RED WOULD BE COMMERCIAL. THE BLUE IS RESIDENTIAL. BLUE IS PROBABLY WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL. YES. WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE SO, SO IT'S IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL BUT THEN WHAT'S THE SCREEN ONE? THE PARKING? YEAH, SARAH MAY BE WATCHING SARAH. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT. SHE, THE FACEBOOK SHE HAS. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S MARKED, WHICH IS IT'S COMMERCIAL. IT'S WHAT IT SAYS IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT STRANGE. SO IT'S, WE SAW LIKE WHEN THERE WAS LIKE THE ADDITION IN THE SHED ON THE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GARAGE, WE RECENTLY SAW AND, AND I AND I IN THAT AREA, THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT ARE NICE, SOME PLACES THAT AREN'T. AND I, I THINK, I THINK WE BE FIRST OF ALL WANNA SEE IT. I WANNA SEE IT, I DUNNO WHAT MEANS, BUT WHAT ROGER THOUGHT THAT WE COULD RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I TOP RED TOP THE RED TOP TO BE A PIZZERIA. IS THAT WHERE IT'S NO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT ACROSS RED TOP, IT'S SHOE. NO, NO, IT'S OVER TO, IT'S CLOSER TO THE GAS STATION AND IT'S GOT LIKE A RAMP OUT FRONT. UM, AND A GOOD CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY LAPTOP. OH, IT'S GOING TOWARDS ST. FRANCIS? YES. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET. IS THAT GAS STATION? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TWO OR THREE PARCELS BEHIND THE PIZZERIA. AND WE JUST HAVE JUST A PLAIN SQUARE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENDERINGS BECAUSE I I I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO BE SQUARE SHED. YEAH, I AGREE. IT'S SO, SO I, I, I THINK I WOULD WANNA AT LEAST KNOW WHERE IT'S, AND YOU COULD ALWAYS DO THIS, I ALWAYS TELL YOU IT COULD COME TO YOU. YOU COULD REVIEW IT AND JUST GIVE COMMENTS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED WAIVER OR THEN YOU HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT. IF YOU TAKE IT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, PUT IT BACK HERE. THAT'S LIKE RIGHT BEHIND SOMEBODY'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. YEAH. IS IT RESIDENTIAL? IT'S THIS ONE. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S, IT'S IT'S ZONED PROBABLY COMMERCIAL GUY SELLS ALL THE HAT. THAT'S RIGHT. [01:45:03] GUY. YEAH. SHE'S NOT A LIFE. I MEAN I AT LEAST WANNA SEE WHAT THE GROUND WE HAVE. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'VE ASKED IS, SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ON. WE'LL HAVE THE GUY, WE'LL HAVE THE GUY COME HERE, TALK TO ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, SHOW US WHAT HE'S DOING AND THEN YOU SHOW DRAWING. SO PICTURE OF THE GARAGE BECAUSE THAT IT COULD BE JUST A PILE, CINDER LOG, A FLAT ROOF. RIGHT. WE MADE THE GENTLEMAN OFF SHOW US AND TELL WHAT WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE FOR THAT GARAGE. AND I, SO I HAD ONE OTHER ITEM. SO ONE OTHER ITEM. OH GEEZ. SO WITH REGARD TO THE STARBUCKS DRIVE THROUGH ON , WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT , THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD THAT THEY DEALT WITH LIKE ON THAT ONE. CAN WE ASK THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD TO LOOK AT THE STARBUCKS DRIVE THROUGH AND THE ROUTING? BECAUSE THAT BACKING UP ONTO CAMP ROAD, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH BACK UP ON, THAT'S JUST A ADVISORY BOARDS I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY TAKE A LOOK AT. SO WHAT'S THE, I MEAN WHAT'S THE FORMAT TO DO THAT? DO I SEND YOU EMAILS? PASS RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION SAYING THAT SAFETY MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COUNTY OR STATE. WE DID PASS THE RESOLUTION BJ'S LAST TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT OTHER BUSINESS WE JUST LOOKED AT. I'M SORRY. UM, OKAY, BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL, UP TO REASON. OH. OH. SO THAT IS A RESIDE, THAT PLACE IS A RESIDENTIAL. SO I MAKE A MOTION AND THAT BASED ON DOCUMENTATION AND OBSERVATION REPORTED AND OBSERVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND OTHERS THAT THE STARBUCKS ON CAMP ROAD ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED MOST IS BACKING UP ONTO CAMP ROAD AND REQUEST THAT THE SAFETY ADVISOR BOARD REVIEW THE EXISTING DRIVE THROUGH AND . RIGHT. SEE IF THEY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS FOR THE PROBLEM. SO MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK. SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. MOTION CARE. AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT THING TO DO GUYS. BOARD ARE GOING AND HE REFUSED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.