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MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, PLEASE RISE FOR FEDERAL ALLEGIANCE, ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID BROCH REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN AIRBNB AT 4 7 0 8 CLIFTON PARKWAY.
CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION IN A TIMELY MANNER AND HE'S STILL MISSING DOCUMENTATION.
WHAT DOCUMENTATION IS HE STILL MISSING? UH, HE SAID HE WAS GONNA COME BACK AND WITH THE LETTER STATING THAT HE WOULD NEED ALL THE, ALL THE NECESSARY ITEMS. AND ONE OF THEM WAS THAT EITHER LIVE IN A RESIDENCE, I DON'T SEE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
UH, EVEN IN HIS LETTER, HE DOESN'T STATE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT LETTER DOES NOT STATE THAT.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, MR. BRAH, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE? SHOULD I
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STEP UP? YES, PLEASE.I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT ADDRESSING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, UH, IN MY SHORT, UH, YOU KNOW, STATEMENT THAT I MADE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THE SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, THE ISSUE WITH THE, THE BED AND BREAKFAST BEING THAT, UH, IT HAS TO BE OCCUPIED WHILE IT'S RENTED.
I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION, WE NEED YOU TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE POINTS ONE BY ONE WITH A RESPONSE TO EACH ONE OF 'EM, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS THAT KEY ISSUE THAT FOLKS WANNA HEAR ABOUT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING TO A HEARING UNTIL WE HAVE YOU GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE POINTS.
WE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR MR. CHAPMAN TO TABLE THIS.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SECOND.
I CAN'T OPPOSE NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
YOU CAN OPPOSE IT, BUT THERE'S STILL NOT I KIDDING.
SO JUST DO A BETTER JOB OF ADDRESSING THIS.
RIGHT? I I ACTUALLY LOST THE PIECE OF PAPER A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF MY WIFE OR ONE OF MY KIDS OR GRANDKIDS GRABBED IT.
AND SO THAT'S NOT A VALID EXCUSE, BUT RIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT YOU MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF BED BREAKFAST LAW FOR US TO HAVE THIS GO FORWARD.
AND THAT HAS TO BE IN BY THE 10TH, OTHERWISE WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING IT ON THE 15TH.
YEAH, I'LL JUST, I'LL GET IT IN IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
UH, GUYS, GIVE IT TO SARAH, IT TO SHERIFF.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION WHILE SIERRA, I'M SORRY YOU TABLE IT ALREADY, BUT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
HE HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, SPECIAL USE PERMITS, REQUIRE SITE PLANS.
SHOULD HE AT LEAST JUST SUBMIT A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY AS IS SITE PLAN? OKAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET TO THAT POINT, NOT HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY FOR NOW.
YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROPERTY.
NO, NO, BECAUSE, UH, FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST LAW, HE HAS TO BE ON THE PREMISES.
AND I THINK, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME THIS WEEK, BUT THE, THE AREA THAT'S RENTED HAS TO BE DELINEATED FROM THE REST OF THE, THE BUILDING IS MY UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT, SO HE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT.
OH, HE CAN JUST DESCRIBE THAT'S INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT PART OF THE BUILDING IS BEING RENTED AND WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT GIVES YOU EVERYTHING YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, ET CETERA.
BUT I KNOW SITE PLAN HAS BEEN AN ISSUE AND I KNOW FOR SOME OF 'EM WE KIND OF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THIS.
JUST PRESENT A SURVEY FOR NOW AND WHAT BILL IS ASKING, AND, AND SARAH WILL WORK WITH THEM, IS DESCRIBE IN THE BUILDING WHAT IS BEING RENTED, WHAT IS NOT BEING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EXACTLY HE GETS ALL THAT INFORMATION.
CAN YOU JUST MOVE THAT INTO THE RECORDER FOR THE MINUTES? RIGHT.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA WANT, UH, A SURVEY WILL BE OKAY FOR SITE PLAN, BUT WE WILL WANT A DESCRIPTION OF THE AREAS THAT WILL BE RENTED AND NOT RENTED OF THE BUILDING.
I PREFER SOME TYPE OF PICTURE.
I THINK THAT'D BE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT, UM, YOU'RE ALSO GONNA NEED IDENTIFIED PARKING SPACES FOR THE RENTERS IDENTIFIED, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE THE STATUTE FOR, I DUNNO IF IT'S IN THE STATUTE, BUT THE ISSUE, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN THE LAW WAS THAT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S GOTTA BE SUFFICIENT OFF STREET PARKING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOB JOHNSON REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A BREWERY RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO 4 0 4 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
THEY UM, THEY JUST GAVE ME REVISED PLANS RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU WANT THEM NOW OR NOT? NO, WE, UM, YEAH, SO WE JUST GOT SOME, WE REVISED THE SITE PLAN BASED ON A COUPLE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM DOT WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, SO OH YEAH, WHETHER IT'S NOW OR AT THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING, I'M, WE'RE REALLY JUST KIND OF HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE REALLY.
SO ANTHONY PANOFF WITH CAMINO AND MORRIS PROJECT ENGINEER ALONG WITH BOB JOHNSON, PROJECT SPONSOR.
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BEEN HERE A COUPLE TIMES, SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT.SO I WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL.
BUT BASICALLY WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND.
UM, AS I JUST MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED, UM, SOME INPUT FROM DOT WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, BASICALLY NOT ALLOWING ACCESS ONTO LAKE SHORE ROAD ROUTE 75.
SO WE PREVIOUSLY HAD THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT IS THE UPDATED PLAN THAT I, UH, SO NOW THE ONLY ACCESS IS THROUGH THE, THE PARKING LOT THROUGH THE PEGS PLACE PARKING LOT.
UM, WITH THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GAIN A FEW EXTRA PARKING SPOTS.
WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AT 138, WE'RE NOW AT 1 42.
UM, ANOTHER UPDATE IS, UH, LAST THURSDAY, AUGUST 26TH.
THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE COMMITTEE, UM, DID UM, HEAR US ON THIS PROJECT AND THEY DID VOTE TO APPROVE IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING RIGHT NOW IS, UH, SHIPPO, WE HAD AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY DONE.
THE REPORT IS BEING PUT TOGETHER.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED THAT, UM, THEY WILL BE RECOMMENDING A NO IMPACT, UM, TO SHIPPO WITH THAT REPORT.
SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF WAITING ON THAT REPORT TO SUM TO SUBMIT THE SHIPPO.
AND UM, IF THERE'S REALLY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.
BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KIMMY OR DREW.
DO WE NEED, IF THEY'RE ONLY ACCESS, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT'S, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, IF THE ONLY ACCESS IS THROUGH PEGS PLACES LOT, DO THEY NEED A PERMANENT EASE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT THROUGH THE PEGS PLACE LOT? WELL, TYPICALLY WE WOULD ASK FOR EITHER AN EASEMENT OR SOME KIND OF ACCESS AGREEMENT THAT WOULD, UM, STAY WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SHOULD AT ANY POINT HE NEED TO SELL OFF ONE PIECE.
ARE THEY TWO SEPARATE LOTS? THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
YOU SO IT'D BE EASY TO WORK OUT A DEAL.
YEAH, WE JUST ALWAYS ASK IT OF THE OWNER BEFORE HE STARTS TO SELL.
BECAUSE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, DID YOU HEAR THAT THE BREWERY SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE? AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
THEY HAVE NO ACCESS PLACE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT NOW WHILE IT'S THE SAME OWNER.
NO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ALSO PURSUE THE WRITE IN WRITE OUT ON 75.
THE DOT HAS KIND OF GIVEN ME THE FEEDBACK THAT'S, IT COULD TAKE TWO YEARS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT ON THE PROJECT FOR TWO YEARS.
SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITHOUT IT'S KIND.
SO WHILE YOU'RE HERE, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YOU WORK WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC.
I'M SORRY, YOU'RE USING QUESTION A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UM, YOU WORK, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UM, UH, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL ISSUES HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAN.
IS THE BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD? YES.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, HAVING A WALMART F YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER ON HOW YOU'RE GONNA PURSUE THAT AT OMAR? YEAH, WALMART F UM, TO GET IT FILLED AND REMOVED FROM THE FLOODPLAIN THROUGH FEMA, BUT THROUGH ROGER ROGER'S OFFICIALLY THE FLOODPLAIN.
BUT SOMETIMES HE'LL ASK YOU FOR YEAH, IT JUST, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO TRY TO GO STRAIGHT.
THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, UM, IT JUST FROM THE, FROM THE, IT DID, SO POTENTIAL THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
THEY WERE THE, UH, THE EASTERN SAND DARTER AND LAKE STURGEON, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE BOTH FISH.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'LL BE IMPACTING THAT, BUT JUST SURE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE ISSUE ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES DETERMINE PARKING LOT, UH, PARKING SPACE COUNT.
YOU'LL DO SOME, YOUR REASONING OF LOGIC FOR WHY THE PARKING SPACE COUNT.
THOSE ARE ADEQUATE PARKING SPACES OR NOT.
THESE FACILITIES CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME VERY SUCCESSFUL ONES.
THE ONE UP THAT OPENED UP IN LOCKPORT, UM, THAT HAS PARKING PROBLEMS GO OVER.
I MEAN, THEY'RE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL.
OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT BE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL, BUT THEY HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK OUT ON ANY ADJOINING ON ADJOINING ROAD.
SO YEAH, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF CALCULATION BASED OFF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT 250 SEATS AND 142 PARKING SPACES SEEMS TO BE QUITE SUFFICIENT.
WELL, THOSE PARKING SPOTS, HOW MANY ARE HANDICAPPED? WE HAVE, UH, FOUR HANDICAP SPACES AND THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WORK FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS DETERMINED THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF YEAH.
ARE THEY GONNA BE MARKED? YES.
ARE THEY BE LYING? YES, THEY'RE MARKED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ERY.
NOW THE COUNTY MADE A COMMENT AND YOU BOTH LOT, THE COUNTY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT PROTECTING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT WAS CLOSE TO THESE APARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED BY THAT.
SO I KNOW YOU OWN IT, BUT THAT THEIR CONCERN WAS THE PROTECTION, THE DISTANCE THAN THAT APARTMENT
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BUILDING.YEAH, THAT'S, WE DISCUSSED THAT PART.
YEAH, I THINK THAT DISTANCE HAS COME UP IN THE PREVIOUS TWO MEETINGS AND IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, 140, 150 FEET FROM THOSE.
AND WE DO PROVIDE, UM, SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.
AND IRONICALLY, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY FURTHER FROM THAT APARTMENT BUILDING THAN TIM SII TELL THE STORY THAT OTHER LOCKPORT ONE HAD THE SAME ISSUE, THE APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND PEOPLE CAME TO THE MEETING AND WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE YOU SCREENED AND BLOCKED AND THE PEOPLE AT THE MEETING TELL, I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY SAID, NO, WE WANT AN ACCESS ROAD BECAUSE WE MET ACCESS PATH, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK THERE.
I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
HEAR, WE THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE VERY UPSET ABOUT, THEY WERE MORE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING TO BE ABLE TO WALK THERE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS.
WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GIVE DIRECTION.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TONIGHT.
SO ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE IN THE EAF THAT WE SHOULD GO OVER THIS WEEK WHILE WE'RE HERE? YES.
WHAT'S THAT? UM, WELL IN YOUR MEMO YOU SAID WE SHOULD GO OVER PART TWO OF THE EAF, CORRECT? WELL, WE COULD, WE COULD START DOING, THAT'S WHY I STARTED GOING THROUGH THE ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY THE ISSUES ARE, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
I MEAN, BUT TRANSPORTATION IS AN ISSUE.
UM, WE PICKED UP THE WETLANDS ISSUE, ARCHEOLOGICAL ISSUES, ENDANGERED SPECIES ISSUES.
UM, THEN THERE'S UM, UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE'LL BE, THE COUNTY HERE WILL BE WORKING ON THE ISSUES OF DRAINAGE.
THE TOWN DOESN'T OWN THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, BUT MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S WATER AND SEWER CAPACITIES.
UH, WE'RE NEAR THE WATERFRONT.
SO WHETHER, WHETHER THAT'LL BE ANY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF, OF, UH, OF WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE WATER RUNS UNDER THE STATE HIGHWAY THERE.
SO THE STATE WILL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT, TO THAT STATE.
IT'S A FACT THAT YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL WE'LL HAVE, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL BE, UM, HAVING A DECREASE.
OBVIOUSLY FIRST DC REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO DECREASE.
THE OTHER BIG ISSUE WAS, IS IN THE WATERFRONT, THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, I ASSUME HAS COMPLETED THE W UH, THE WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORM WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT TO THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE OF MAKING YOUR SECRET DECISION, YOU NEED TO SEE THEIR LOGIC AND REASONING FOR THE WAF.
THEY'VE SIGNED OFF AND SAID IT'S IN COURT.
IT'S, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR DECISION.
THEY DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL DID YOU GUYS FORM? I DIDN'T DO A FORM.
THERE'S DO WE HAVE THE FORM? WE DON'T HAVE THE FORM.
JOE NEEDS TO FILL OUT THE FORM 'CAUSE THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION AND SUBMIT THAT FORM TO US.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE'S ISSUES THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
UM, WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.
WE HAVE LANDSCAPING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONE CORRECTLY, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE TOWN IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THE AREA.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS AND I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, WHAT DOES IT SAY IN THERE? THE, UH, NAUTICAL THINGS, NAUTICAL THEMES AND WHATEVER BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE INCREASED AESTHETICS, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS THE, IT IS THE SEAWAY TRAIL THAT RUNS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THAT, THAT HAVE SOMETHING THAT BEATS THAT CHARACTER.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, I LOVE THAT THAT BOOK, IT IS A WATERFRONT BOOK WITH THE, WITH THE
AND THAT DID COME UP AT THE WATERFRONT MEETING AS WELL.
SO I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN YOUR PART TWO.
CAITLIN, YOU PROBABLY HAVE CALLED UP.
HAVE I MISSED ANY? I'M JUST GOING THROUGH IT.
I WAS SAY I JUST PULLED IT UP TOO.
IMPACT ON LAND IS THE FIRST ONE.
HOW MUCH FILL, HOW MANY CUBIC YARDS OF FILL ARE YOU THINKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN TO RAISE THE AREA? UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE HOW MANY CUBIC YARDS BASKET THAT I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS I COULD TELL YOU.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE IT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN AT FIVE, WHICH IS AT 5 85, I BELIEVE.
I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE OFF THE SURVEY WHAT THE, THAT CURRENT ELEVATION IS AT.
OH, I'M JUST DOWN ON PAGE THREE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT HUNDRED AND 500 YEAR? NO, IT'S THE HUNDRED YEARS.
I DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE FLOOD ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THAT BILL.
IT'S A REALLY SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE AND IT'S UP THE ROGER, THE TOWN ENGINEER
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WITH THE FILL REQUIREMENTS AND WHATEVER THEY'RE FULFILLING WITHIN THAT AREA AND WHETHER THEY GET, AND I GET I OUTSIDE OF MY EXPERTISE, LO ORI DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE REQUIRED GRASS ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S UP TO, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, I HAD PEGS PLATE REMOVED FROM THE FLOOD ZONE.
THEY CAME OUT AND JUST DID A STUDY.
THEY ALSO DID THE WATERFRONT APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR AT THE SAME KIND OF A YEAR BEFORE MINE ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT IS, IT'S LESS THAN IT'S PROBABLY A FOOT OF FILL.
IF YOU STAND IN THE BACK PARKING LOT PEGS PLACE AND YOU LOOK OUT AT ROUTE FIVE, THERE'S A SMALL DIP AND THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A GREAT ISSUE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN GET A TOP TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY DOWN AND IF YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE LIKE RIGHT BELOW THE YEAH, WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT SURVEY DONE.
CAITLIN, ARE YOU FILLING OUT THE EAF RIGHT NOW TO GO THROUGH IT OR I'M JUST SCROLLING THROUGH IT.
I CAN, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY.
UH, YEAH, WE'LL OFFICIALLY DO IT ONCE WE OKAY.
IF WE BRING UP ISSUES THAT THEY GET US INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE THE LOGICAL DECISION.
WE SHOULD WAIT FOR THE SHIPPO.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE'LL, JUST THE SHIPPO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT IS GONNA COME UP AS THE YES.
BUT THEN, THEN WE SAY THAT IT WAS HOPEFULLY SCREENED OUT BASED ON WHAT, BECAUSE THAT GOES, THIS IS STILL JOCELYN FERGUSON.
SHE'S ALL OF WESTERN EUROPE, ISN'T SHE? USUALLY IT'S JOCELYN GUESS POINT UP TO WHERE YOU SAID THAT YOU WAS TALK, MR. JO WAS TALKING ABOUT RECREATIONAL AREA.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE ALONG THE, WELL THAT BE THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE AND THEN ALONG THE BACK AS WELL.
I WAS, I'VE BEEN OVER THE SITE A COUPLE TIMES.
I FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID LAST MEAN, BEFORE LAST WAS IN RECREATIONAL AREA.
WHAT POTENTIAL WETLANDS CAME UP IN THE AF MAP OR YOU LOOK AT WETLAND? YEAH.
USUALLY POPS UP BECAUSE THE, THE LAKE IS RIGHT THERE.
AND NOW I'M JUST, UM, YOU ARE MORE THAN 300 FEET BACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE LAKE, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S LAYMAN'S TERM.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ZONE, IF THAT FLOODED, I THINK THE TOWN WOULD BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
THERE'S LIKE A, YOU HAVE A ROAD IN THE WAY, SO IT WOULD GET BLOCKED OFF.
SO, BUT SOMETIMES BE, AND NOW, UM, SO THE TRANSPORTATION CAME UP WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THAT? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A TRAFFIC COUNT OR? WELL, BASIC BASICALLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE NOW ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO THROUGH THIS ONE ENTRANCE, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS THAT THIS IS GONNA LIKE A, LIKE A PEAK, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING A TIA TRAFFIC, BUT JUST A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SITE, DISTANCES, VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, WHAT IS GONNA GO UP? LOCATION.
MAYBE YOU SHOW US HOW YOU GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR, THERE'S TECHNIC TWO WAYS ON EACH SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT.
NOW NEW, I KNOW THESE ARE STATE HIGHWAYS, NEW LAKE, THIS ONE HERE, THAT, THAT'S ALSO STATE HIGHWAY NEW LAKE SHORE, UM, WHERE THAT ENTRANCE GOES ONTO IT IS NOT LABELED ON THE CERTAIN THIS ONE, BUT, AND THEY DO LABEL ROOF FIVE AND 75 AS NEW YORK STATE.
YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT ENTRANCE AT ALL? NO.
YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT JUST AS ONE END AND ONE F.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOUR TRAFFIC HAPPENS.
WE'LL SAY YOU DON'T NEED A TURN OR WHATEVER BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE WORST THING IS YOUR CUSTOMERS SIT HERE NOT BEING ABLE TO.
WHAT ARE P'S PLACE, PLACE HOURS CURRENTLY 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM WE DISCUSSED THIS WHEN YOU FIRST CAME THOUGH, AND I THINK YOU TOLD US THAT THE PEAK HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE TWO COMPANIES OR PROJECTS DIFFERENT PS PLACE IS MORNING BREAKFAST AND LUNCH.
WE'RE WE'RE MORE OF A DINER, RIGHT? WE'RE A FAMILY STYLE DINER.
SO IT'S MORE OF A BREAKFAST CLIENTELE.
THIS IS CONFLICTS WITH THE DRINKING BEER EARLY IN THE
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE MORE DINNER, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I THINK WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE PLAN, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE INTERNS AND EXIT AND HOW IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH PEGS AND ALSO, UM, HOW IT'LL ACCOMMODATE THE BUSES AND THE LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, JUST BECAUSE THOSE ALL NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE.
AND IS THERE ANY SIGNAGE PROPOSED AT THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION FOR PEGS PLACE THAT'LL INDICATE THAT IT'S THE ENTRANCE OF OAK? 'CAUSE I GUESS WE WOULD WANNA KNOW WHERE THAT IS AND HOW THAT SIGNAGE DIRECTS THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
WELL, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S NO NECESSARILY A SIGN PROPOSED AT THE MOMENT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THE A THINK ABOUT THAT, LETS KNOW.
IT'S CREATED A YEAH, AND, AND HONESTLY THERE'S, SO I'M, I'M THERE EVERY DAY.
THE APARTMENT BUILDING HAS AN IN AND OUT.
THERE'S EVERYBODY IN THAT BUILDING AND EVERYBODY IN MY RESTAURANT USES BOTH SIDES OF THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
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SO IT'S A, IT'S A CONSTANT LOOP OF TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, THAT.SO IT'S NEVER REALLY AN ISSUE.
SO'S NEVER A LOG JAM AND WE'RE A BUSY DINER.
AND THERE'S NEVER REALLY A LOG JAM GO ANYWHERE OUT.
SO I DON'T PROPOSE TO BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WITH PEAK BEING DIFFERENT AND THEN ESPECIALLY ADDING ON THIS
ARE YOU GONNA PUT ANY STOP LINES WHEN THE TWO KIND OF CONNECT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO RUN INTO EACH OTHER WHERE THE NEW PARKING LOT CONNECTS TO PEG SPACE? UM, DO YOU CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THE WHOLE THING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE KIND OF RETRIED AND, AND READDRESSED, RIGHT? LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THIS.
MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, PE EVERYONE THINKS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY IF THERE'S NOT AT LEAST A BAR OR SOMETHING TO AT LEAST MAKE 'EM SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BEFORE THEY ROLL THROUGH IT.
UM, WITH TWO ENTRANCES CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND THEN RIGHT.
IT JUST MIGHT MAKE, AND TWO BUSINESSES, PEOPLE TRYING TO PULL OUT OF PARKING SPOTS AT PEGS AND PEOPLE COMING YEAH.
IT JUST MIGHT HELP CALM TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
WE, WE, I THINK THAT'S, WE CAN DO WHERE WE STAYING TOO, OBVIOUSLY WITH THESE FACILITIES.
EVERYONE I'VE SEEN, THERE ARE EVENTS, THEY HAVE EVENTS THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE PARTIES, WHETHER THEY'RE BIKE NIGHTS, WHETHER THEY'RE WHATEVER.
THEY SEEM TO BE GREAT GRAB GATHERING POINTS.
IT'S A POSITIVE THING ABOUT THEIR GREAT GATHERING POINTS.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN WE SEE THE, THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM EXCEPT THE PROBLEM AND LOCK WHERE THEY HAD ACTUALLY PUT IN A GRAVEL PARKING LOT TO GET, THEY HAD EVENTS.
IT JUST KIND OF GOT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT FACILITY.
IT'S JUST GREAT FACILITIES ATTRACT PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT.
SO, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S PLANNED IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY SOLUTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDING? JUST LIKE DREW SAYS, IF THIS GETS REAL BUSY, IT COULD CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE TENANTS, UH, IF THE APARTMENTS GETTING IN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF A, AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU CAN USE THAT I DON'T.
UM, HE'S NO LONGER PART OF IT.
SO I, I HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM IN THE SENSE THAT I HAVE AN EASEMENT WITH THEM, THAT I GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PARK.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT WOULD BE AKIN TO THE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MOVING TRUCK THERE TODAY FOR A TENANT MOVING IN, NOW DO I HAVE TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO HAVE A MOVING TRUCK? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
IT'S RIGHT WHEN CUSTOMERS ARE TRYING TO BACK IN AND OUT AND THE GUY'S GOT A MOVING TRUCK THERE.
BUT YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU WORK ON IT, YOU WORK WITH IT, YOU DEAL WITH IT.
SO WHERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE ON THAT SITE? PROPERTY LINE TO WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE TAKES PLACE LINE, UM, SHARED? IT'S NOT A, I BELIEVE THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.
DO YOU GUYS SEE IT ON THE DRAWING WHERE THE LOT IS FOR PEGS PLACE? MAYBE MAKE THAT A LITTLE DARKER.
UM, SO DREW BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE SEAWAY TRAIL AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PUSHES TO IMPROVE BIKE ACCESS, WHICH WAS ALSO PART OF THE COMP PLANE COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT A BIKE RACK OR A BIKE ACCESS SOMEWHERE IN FOR, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING ACROSS SOME SORT OF BIKE PARKING, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM THE WATER, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, IF PEOPLE ARE OUT DOING STUFF UP AND DOWN, IS THERE SOMEWHERE TO ALLOW THAT BIKE, BIKE RACK AND BIKE PARKING SOMEWHERE? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO UP BY, MAYBE UP BY THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE.
WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF BIKE TRAFFIC AT PIKES PLACE AND PEOPLE LITERALLY PULL UP OUR FRONT SIDEWALK AND MOVE THEIR BIKES RIGHT IN THE IT EVERY SUNDAY MORNING.
IRONICALLY, EVERY SUNDAY MORNING CALIN, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMP PLAN.
UH, CITY OF BUFFALO WITH THEY, THEY CALL TDM RULES OR WHATEVER THAT THEY REQUIRE BIKE RACKS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ACCOMMODATE NOT ON.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAN FOR THAT BECAUSE IT BRINGS MORE PEOPLE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT TRAFFIC AND IF YOU'RE SEEING IT ALREADY, UH, KIDS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BIKE RACK, BIKE PARKING.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF THERE'S A WAY TO FACILITATE BICYCLES COMING IN AND WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU SEE THEM COMING, RATHER THAN HAVING TO HAVE THE BIKES ALSO BE ANOTHER STRESS POINT IN THAT PARKING LOT.
IF THERE'S A WAY FOR BICYCLES TO ACCESS TO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, THAT WOULD BE, UH, IF, IF THERE'S A WAY, JUST LOOK AT IT.
BUT IF THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN BIKE ACCESS AND VEHICLES, YOU BIKE ACCESS AND PEDESTRIANS YEAH.
BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE BEING PITCHED IN THAT AREA THAT MIGHT INCREASE THE PEDESTRIANS THERE TOO.
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SO HOW CLOSE APPROXIMATE IS YOUR FACILITY TO THE PARK RIDE AREA ABOUT, UH, CAR THREE? YEAH.RIGHT ACROSS, ACROSS THE ROAD.
IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING TOO.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE OVERFLOW PARKING, I WOULD SUSPECT IT'S SOME, LIKE IF YOU HAD A REALLY MONUMENTAL EVENT.
IT WOULD, HONESTLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY BIG BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING WITH PEGS PLACE AS WELL.
I'M JUST THINKING TOO, IT'S AN AREA WHERE IF THERE'S PARKING RIGHT THERE, THERE'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ACCESS.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SPOT TO IN THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS YEAH.
AND PROXIMITY TO YOUR ESTABLISHMENT WITH THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, NEW PARKING IN THE PEGS PLACE PARKING, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AFTER PEGS IS CLOSED.
I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO IMAGINE IT GETS COMPLETELY FELT BY, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S POSSIBLE.
WELL, AND IT PUTS, IT MAKES THEM ACCESSIBLE ON THE BUS LINE YEAH.
TO SOMEBODY WHO MAY NOT WHO YEAH.
THE DIFFICULT DO WANT TO INDULGE AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE AFTERWARDS.
IT GIVES THE UBER A SPOT TO PARK WHILE HE'S WAITING FOR HIS PICKUP.
SO RATHER THAN PLUG YOUR PARKING LOT, YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, YOU'LL EMAIL ME THIS PLAN.
YES, I CAN DO THAT AND I CAN, YEP.
I THINK MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE, I THINK THIS IS SOLIDLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK MOST OF THESE COMMENTS ARE MINOR TWEAKS TO THE CORE CONCEPT YOU HAVE GOING ON.
HAVE WE SEEN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN YET? YEAH, I DO NOT HAVE IT TONIGHT, BUT WE'VE HAD IT AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
UM, YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE ROOF FIVE OVERLAY.
SO OUR LANDSCAPING IS BASED OFF OF THAT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WAS LIKE A DECIDUOUS TREE EVERY 30 FEET OF FRONTAGE IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE, WE WENT BY THAT A LITTLE WITH THE CHANGING OF THE PARKING, THE CHANGING OF THE EXITS.
YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH SMALL SHRUBS, RIGHT? YES.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE LANDSCAPING IS, IS THE SAME AS, UH, THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
SO I'LL PUT THIS ON FOR NEXT, NEXT TIME.
I MEAN, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA TRY AND THEN WE'LL GET ALL DONE TODAY OR NO? OKAY.
SO, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE I NEXT MEETING.
I DO THAT, UH, BASED UPON YOUR COMMENTS SIDE, I'LL START A DRAFT PART TWO AND GET TO YOU, I'LL START A DRAFT PART THREE JUST TO SHOW WHERE THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE DOCUMENT THAT, THAT THE STARTED THAT WORK THROUGH PREPARING ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET THAT TO ME, THEN I, I'LL ALSO GET IT TO THAT SO THEY KNOW.
UH, BOB JOHNSON TO SEPTEMBER 14TH.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, THE REVISED MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 4TH MEETING.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 18TH MEETING MOTION BY MS. MCCORMICK FIRST.
UH, DREW WANTED US TO TALK ABOUT THIS MONTHLY PROCESS SCHEDULE, OTHER NEEDS.
WE WANT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FINALIZE THIS TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, SARAH AND I AND THE TOWN ENGINEER ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR YOUR MEETING.
SO I TRIED TO PUT A, A KIND OF PROCESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SENT TO YOU.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND I HIGHLIGHTED ON NUMBER FOUR, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WE ARE NOW PUTTING ALL MATERIALS, PLANS AND STUFF ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, BUT DO YOU STILL WANT PHYSICAL COPIES? THEY WILL BE HANDED TO YOU AT THE MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL SEE THEM ELECTRONICALLY, BUT WE'RE NOT MAILING THEM.
YOU DO YOU WANT PHYSICAL COPIES OF EVERYTHING? ALSO, QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT THIS, DO YOU WANNA ADJOURN FIRST
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OR DO YOU WANT THIS ON THE THIS CAN GO ON RECORD.SO AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS, IT'S GREAT.
NOW WE HAVE STUFF ELECTRONICALLY.
MAKE SURE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PHYSICALLY BEFORE THE MEETING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ELECTRONICALLY THE FRIDAY BEFORE PHYSICALLY AT THE MEETING.
YOU CAN BE HANDED COPIES OF STUFF.
I THINK ANY OVERSIGHT DRAWINGS ARE MUCH EASIER TO REVIEW AT LEAST 11 BY 17.
AND I THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S
SO I, WE GET THE HEFTY STUFF AND WHATEVER FORMAT WE GET IT IN, UNDERSTAND THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANS IS THAT THEY'RE TWO BY THREE.
SO SUE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE, TO BE ABLE TO PRINT OUT THE, IF THEY'RE COMING WITH A BIG SIZE AND WE GET THE BIG SIZE TO LOOK AT THE MEETING, THAT'S OKAY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
I JUST NEED SOMETHING BIGGER TO LOOK AT.
DON'T TAKE THE TWO BY THREES TO MAKE THEM, UH, 11 EIGHT AND HALF BY 11.
WELL ALSO, I HAVEN'T SENT YOU ANYTHING AFTER FRIDAY AT FIVE.
AND I'M GLAD YOU SAW WHAT'S HAPPENED TONIGHT.
IF APPLICANTS SHOW UP WITH SOMETHING, THEY CAN HAND IT OUT, BUT AS YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IT.
THEY SENT YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS THIS WEEK, BUT THEY WERE NOT ON THIS AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, AND THE THREE SEMINARS I'VE GONE THROUGH AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT PLANNING BOARDS.
THEY ALWAYS RECOMMEND 10 DAYS THAT IT GOES INTO PLANNING BOARD'S HANDS 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.
IF I'M IN SYRACUSE WITH MY GRANDKIDS, I DON'T GET IT TALKING BACK ON MONDAY NIGHT.
SO 10 DAYS WOULD BE LIKE TWO, THREE DAYS FROM NOW FOR THE YEAH, I MEAN I, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S A PROBLEM.
UH, WELL IT, IT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE, REMEMBER THE APPLICATIONS HAVE TO COME IN AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WHEN AN APPLICANT APPEARS BEFORE YOU, YOU ASK QUESTIONS OF HIM OR HER RIGHT.
AND GETTING, AND YOU PUT HER ON THE AGENDA TWO WEEKS LATER TO GET IT TO YOU 10 DAYS BEFOREHAND, TWO TO THREE DAYS FROM THE MEETING MEETING, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU TO BE ON THAT NEXT AGENDA.
SO IT'S THE ACTIVE ITEMS THAT BECOME A PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT THE NEW ITEMS. THE NEW ITEMS HAVE TO COME IN THE THIRD MONDAY OF THE MONTH TO BE ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS PLENTY OF TIME TO GET IT TO YOU 10 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME.
AND AGAIN, UH, THAT'S FOR NEW ITEMS. IT'S A CARRYOVER ITEMS THAT THE POLICY, THE POLICY IN THE PAST, RICK LARDER USED TO BE THE ONE SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA DEAL WITH ANYTHING UNLESS I GET AT LEAST BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU GET SOMETHING THE FRIDAY BEFORE A MEETING AND THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ADEQUATE TIME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE NEXT WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS LIKE FOUR DAYS OR FIVE DAYS.
IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I'M FINE IF IT'S JUST FOR THE NEW PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE BECAUSE WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IS IF WE HAD ENOUGH ISSUES COME UP AT A, AT AN AGENDA ITEM, YOU WOULD NOT PLACE THEM ON THE AGENDA TWO WEEKS LATER.
YOU WOULD SAY MONTHLY YOU'RE GONNA NEED TIME TO GET THIS TO US AND TIME FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO REVIEW IT SO THAT YOU COULD SKETCH UP ON HERE AND TELL US THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TO IS OKAY WITH WITH EXISTING PROJECTS.
DOING THE FRIDAY BEFORE, BUT THE NEW PROJECTS GET THE INFORMATION THE TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THEN IT WOULD JUST SEND TO US.
FROM A, LIKE AN OFFICE STANDPOINT, THE REQUIREMENT OF GETTING THEM TO US SO THAT WE CAN HAVE 'EM IN OUR HANDS TO REVIEW FOR THE WEEKEND AND WORK ON MM-HMM
WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE APPLICANTS THEY HAVE TO BE INTO BY THURSDAY, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU FRIDAY TO GET THE MATERIALS TOGETHER AND FORWARD 'EM I JUST DON'T WANNA PLACE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE OFFICE.
NO, IT'S FINE BECAUSE I GET MY EMAILS ON MY PHONE.
SO LIKE I KNEW THAT I WAS GETTING SOMETHING I THINK FROM SOMEBODY LAST FRIDAY AND ILL EXPLAIN, SAID JUST, YOU JUST NEED TO SEND ME A TEXT AND SAY I JUST EMAILED IT TO YOU SO YOU DID.
MY PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DO, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WAKE FRIDAY.
EITHER THEY GET IT BEFORE THAT OR THEY DON'T BECAUSE IF WE GET IT ON FRIDAY, TWO AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY, I CAN'T INCLUDE IT IN MY MEMO BECAUSE MY MEMO, I TRY TO GET TO YOU ON FRIDAY.
THE PROBLEM IS IF I GET SOMETHING ON FRIDAY COMES WELL THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING LIKE, DO WE NEED TO GIVE TO THE A SO JUST UNDERSTAND THURSDAYS THE TUB, SOME BREATHING DREW ALONG THAT LINE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO REPHRASE IT ABOUT AGENDA
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SET ON THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS OF THE MONTH.BECAUSE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, TODAY IS THE FIRST AND THE FIRST THURSDAY.
SO TOMORROW, TOMORROW SHE HAS TO SET THE AGENDA.
I MEAN, BUT THE FIRST AND THIRD FOR THE SETTING, THE AGENDA ISN'T ALWAYS THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS OF THE MONTH BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU JUST NO, IT'S JUST, IF SOMEBODY ELSE SEES IT, I DON'T WANT THAT USED TO BE IN THERE JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT AFTER YOU'RE DONE TONIGHT, IT SHOULD BE IN HERE.
SHE HAS TO GET THAT OUT TOMORROW.
YOU HAVE TO GET THAT OUT TOMORROW TO THE PRESS TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADVERTISED CORRECTLY.
BUT I THINK THE ONE THAT'S, IT'S LIKE THE THIRD THURSDAY.
IT'S A THURSDAY AFTER THE MEETING.
THE, THE IDEA ISN'T SO MUCH WHAT WE WANT THE, THE IDEA WITH WITH THESE, THIS PROCESS, PART OF IT IS SO THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
OH, THAT'S WHY THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GONNA LISTEN TO THIS.
SO EVEN THINGS THAT JUST IMPACT YOU PROBABLY STILL SHOULD BE ON THIS.
AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW 'CAUSE YOU REALIZE IT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
REMEMBER I JUST HAVEN'T, THIS MEMO, I TOOK IT OUT OF THERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REVELED ANYMORE.
WE USED TO HAVE THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH WAS A WORK SESSION.
AND THE SECOND MEETING WAS THE REGULAR MEETING WHEN THAT CHANGED, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH WHAT'S IN THE LAW, QUOTE UNQUOTE.
WE JUST TRY TO WORK AROUND IT AS YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN THE MONTH AND THAT'S WHY THE LANGUAGE GETS A LITTLE AWKWARD BECAUSE THE LAW'S WRITTEN ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONE PLANNING BOARD MEETING A MONTH.
THE IDEA THAT 30 DAYS, WHICH IS THAT TIME PERIOD FOR, FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN USUALLY.
BUT THAT WAS CHANGED YEARS AGO.
THE BOARDS DECIDED TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
THE BOARD DECIDED WE'RE GONNA HOLD TWO REGULAR MEETINGS A MONTH.
THAT WAS HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? 10 YEARS AGO.
WHAT WOULD HELP ME IS IF YOU WOULD JUST EMAIL ME YOUR IDEAS.
IF YOU HAVE MAYBE GOING FORWARD THE AGENDAS.
CAN WE PUT A STAR AND ASTERISK AT THE BOTTOM? JUST EXPLAINING THAT LIKE TONIGHT WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS THE POINT IN THE MEETING.
WE'LL BE ACCEPTING COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND CONVERSATION WITH LIKE SOMEBODY WORD THAT FOR ME.
JUST, I JUST THINK IT HELPS SO THAT THEY KNOW AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO IN THE LEGAL NOTICE.
BUT AS OPPOSED ON THE WEBSITE.
I THINK IT'S JUST IF, WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT THE MEETINGS THAT WAY PEOPLE KNOW, LIKE THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT GO ON FOR MEETING UPON MEETING, THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT NOT LOOKING FOR THEIR INPUT, IT'S JUST WE CANCEL.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PART IS CLOSED.
SOMEBODY WRITE, WRITE HOW YOU WANT THAT WORD.
SO YOU JUST WANNA LIKE ITEM ONE, YOU HAVE AN EXPERT WHICH WOULD LET THEM KNOW.
WELL, IT WOULD JUST, WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD SAY, THESE ARE THE AGENDA ITEMS. THESE AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL BE SOLICITING COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC.
WELL LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE REST OF THEM WILL, PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE SCHEDULED HAVE NOTICED THIS.
BUT IS IT THE POLICY PASSPORTS? THE POLICY OF PASSPORTS AND IT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD, IS THAT ALL MEETINGS WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO TALK.
IT JUST WASN'T OFFICIALLY A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF SOMEONE RAISES THEIR HAND, THEY ALLOW, I I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET, GET AWAY FROM DEFINITELY GET AWAY FROM THAT.
AS YOU GET TO BE A BUSIER, WHEN YOU HAVE 10 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, EIGHT MONTH END AND VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH AN AGENDA, EVERY MEETING IS, IS OPENED UP FOR, FOR PUBLIC T SET PRECEDENT THAT RIGHT.
AND WE CAN, WE CANNOT ALWAYS ACCOMMODATE.
I THINK WE CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THAT.
PEOPLE FOR THOSE NON-PUBLIC HEARINGS, THERE'S ALWAYS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
EVERY PROJECT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING SITE PLAN.
SPECIALTIES DEPARTMENT FOR THOSE KNIGHT SAYS WRITE HOW NON-PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE DO ACCEPT WRITTEN COMMENTS IF YOU WANNA, THAT I WAS THINKING WRITE SOMETHING IN.
ALTHOUGH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT THE AGENDA TONIGHT ARE NOT OPEN FOR PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, CAN STILL HEARING YOU'LL NOTICE BECAUSE AGENDA.
BUT WHEN THEY COME HERE THAT WAY TOO.
WELL THE AGENDA, WE PUT THIS AGENDA GOES IN THE LEGAL NOTICE.
BUT WE CAN ADD, SO WE CAN KEEP THE SHORT PORTION IN THE, IN THE LEGAL NOTICE.
AND THEN WE CAN PUT THAT OTHER PART ON THE PART THAT YOU POST ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
AND IF WE MAKE IT EASY ENOUGH THAT IT'S A AND CASE THAT WAY IT'S, AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING, NOT IN THE LEGAL NOTICE, BUT ON THE AGENDA ON BIG PROJECTS, WE MAY BREAK THEM UP AND SAY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES TODAY.
SO THAT WAY THE APPLICANT KNOWS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF HITTING ALL THE TOPICS, WE MAY JUST ADDRESS CERTAIN ONES ON CERTAIN NIGHTS BECAUSE, SO WE SYSTEMATICALLY BREAK DOWN THOSE BIGGER PROJECTS INTO SIZABLE CHUNKS.
AND THAT WE WEREN'T REALLY RESEARCHING AN ASPECT OF IT.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
WHEN YOU TABLE AN ITEM, NOW AS I ASKED YOU, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO? AND YOU TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS, YOU SHOULD STATE ON
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THE RECORD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.TWO WEEKS FROM TIME, LIKE WE SAID, TWO WEEKS FROM NIGHT.
WE'LL DO THE PART TWO AND PART THREE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S A GOOD THING WE NEED TO KEEP ASKING YOU.
WHAT DOES THE APPLICANT NEED TO DO? YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON AGENDA.
WHAT IS IT ON THE AGENDA FOR PPLICANT WE FEEL IS MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING US.
AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY SEE PROGRESSION VERSUS RIGHT.
IT'S SOMETIMES HARD WHEN WE'RE EACH PICKING DIFFERENT PARTS TO LOOK AT.
DON'T WANNA, OOPS, SARAH'S GOT HAND.
BUT IF, IF IT'S GONNA HELP ME, IF YOU JUST, JUST EMAIL BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
YOU HAVE UH, UH, AN ITEM THAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE DO HAVE, AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NEW ITEMS? YEAH.
DID YOU EVER FIND OUT WHY MY MAIL TO WAS BLACK
SO WE, THE OTHER ONE WAS ON THE, UM, SITE PLAN.
I, I LIKE THAT WE HAVE THIS AS A REFERENCE THAT HE DID THE SITE PLAN, WAIVER SITE PLAN, BUT MARK IT UP.
WELL, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.
I MEAN THIS CAUSE EDITORIAL CHANGE, BUT I LIKE THIS.
AND I THINK HAVING THIS FOR THIS AND THEN FOR SPECIAL USE AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, LIKE SUBDIVISION STUFF.
I THINK THIS AND THEN IN A FLOW CHART.
THIS IS A LITTLE MORE INTERNAL BECAUSE ROGER HAD A DIFFICULT TIME.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAYING, WELL WHY'D YOU SEND THIS? AND NOT THIS.
HE WANTED SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS HOW WE'RE MAKING THIS LOGICAL DECISION.
WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY THE SAME.
WE WANNA TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME.
WE FOLLOW THE RULES AND WHATEVER.
BUT WITH THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, IT GOT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WHAT WAS NOT RIGHT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A PROCESS IN THERE.
SO THAT ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR IS KIND OF A FLOW CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING.
I, THAT ONE FOR SUBDIVISION, I HAVE ONE FOR SITE PLAN.
I'VE GOTTA MODIFY THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD AND OUTDATED.
AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS TO PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE SMALLER LANDOWNERS, SMALLER DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HIRING MAJOR FIRMS TO SUPPORT THEM, THAT THEY CAN LOOK IT UP, THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
AND THEY, FOR PEOPLE LIKE, UM, MR. MR BRAH THAT, THAT SHOW UP, DID THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT.
ONLY OTHER THING I ASK OF YOU IS, UH, YOU ARE NOT A LEGISLATIVE BOARD.
SO PLEASE THAT MEETINGS, WHEN YOU FIND THE LAW AWKWARD, THINGS THAT ARE AWKWARD THAT NEED TO CHANGE.
AND THAT'S A SIMPLE RESOLUTION TO SAY TOWN BOARD, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.
I PUT IN MY EMAIL TODAY, IT NEEDS TO BE A TOP PRIORITY ITEM FOR THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE OR THE TOWN BOARD.
WE TREAT THE SAME AS TO HOMES.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA REGULATE AIRBNBS, SOMEONE NEEDS TO REVIEW IT AND SAY THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA, WE CAN'T JUST SLAP IT IN WITH TOURIST HOMES BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND IF THE TALENT, IT'S BEEN A TOP PRIORITY FOR FEW YEARS THOUGH.
IT'S BEEN A TOP PRIORITY FOR YEARS, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN.
BUT NOW THIS IS, YOU REALIZE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THIS IS THE FIRST AIRBNB, AIRBNB YOU'VE GOT.
SO, AND THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY 30, 40, 50 AIRBNBS IN THE TOWN.
SO IF IF WE, THE, THE FIRST ONE WITH A COMPLAINT BOARD TAKES IT UP, THEN THEY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THEY'RE GONNA REVIEW A LAW, IF THEY ARE TAKING UP THE LAW AND HAVING A DISCUSSION LAW, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT I THINK THAT'S MY, I THINK THAT THAT'S ON THE NET.
AS LONG AS THAT, I MEAN I THINK WE SHOULD REVIEW.
I MEAN WHEN, WHEN THEY HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REVISED AIRBNB LAW IN BUFFALO, CITY OF BUFFALO, THEY HAD ABOUT 50, 60 PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT IT, ET CETERA.
'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH AIRBNBS WHEN PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WHY ARE YOU STEPPING ON MY TOES IF I'M RUNNING THINGS SUCCESSFULLY? YEAH.
SO YOU'RE A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE LOTS OF AIRBNBS OUT THERE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR LAWS FOR IT.
MATTER OF FACT, THE COURT STEPPED IN AND TOLD US THAT OUR LAW WAS NOT CLEAR.
UH, BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOUR, THE, THE HIERARCHICAL DIDN'T WORK CORRECTLY.
AND THAT'S OLD, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 40 YEARS, THAT HIERARCHICAL ZONING AND IT COULD ALL MESSED UP.
THEY HAD CLASSES AND STUFF THAT MAKE NO SENSE.
BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING AND YOU FIND IT AWKWARD, NOT RIGHT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN.
I MEAN WE SHOULD START LOADING UP AND SAYING IT'S EVEN PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS THAT WE KNOW THESE THINGS DON'T WORK.
ALL HAVE, SO WE WANNA REFER THIS TO THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE,
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THE AIRBNB THING.THEY'RE WORKING ON APPRECIATE A RESOLUTION SAYING WE THINK IT'S A PRIORITY BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK.
THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT WHEN I SAID IT WAS A TOP PRIORITY FOR A FEW YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF CODE REVIEW FOR A WHILE.
YOU GO TO COVER REVIEW COMMITTEES, RIGHT? YES, BUT I'M INVITED SOMETIMES SARAH FORGETS WHEN I'M INVITED.
WELL, THAT, THAT ONE DREW NOT BEING INVITED IS MY FAULT.