* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:08:26] ALL [00:08:26] RIGHT. SO SIX 30, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH A WORK SESSION. FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS 4 0 9 7 LLC, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 4 0 9 7 LAKE SHORE ROAD. I'M STEVE, I'M FROM RA MART ARCHITECT. UM, OUR CLIENT, UH, OWNS THE PLAZA AT 4 0 9 7 ROAD, UM, HAS COMMERCIAL IN THE FIRST FLOOR UNIT. THERE WAS A ALREADY BUILT SPACE FOR STORAGE UP ABOVE, BUT NOT REALLY SEEING MUCH USE, ESPECIALLY THAT THE TENANT BELOW IS NOT THERE. SO THE STORAGE UP ABOVE IS REALLY KINDA WASTED. SO HE JUST BASICALLY WANTS TO RAISE THE ROOF UP AND MAKE AN APARTMENT ABOVE ONE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE UP ABOVE. JUST ON THE TOP PART. JUST ON THE TOP PART. OKAY. THAT'S IT. YEAH, BECAUSE I, I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED BECAUSE WE, WE WANNA GET, I I, I DID A PRESENTATION AT EMPIRE STATE DEVELOPMENT A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. OKAY. AND IT WAS LIKE, OH NO, THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANNA DO. BUT IF IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE SECOND FLOOR. JUST THE SECOND FLOOR. I, I DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT EASES MY WORRIES A LOT. . THANK YOU. YEAH. AND BILL, UNDER THE WC DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEY ALLOW COMMERCIAL SLASH RESIDENTIAL USES ARE MIXED USES. RIGHT. BUILDING CONSISTING OF AT LEAST 50% OF AN APPROVED COMMERCIAL USE. AND THE REMAIN OF THE BUILDING CAN BE A RESIDENTIAL USE. SO THE CODE ALLOWS THAN THAT DISTRICT. ALRIGHT. SO IT'S THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE BARN SHAPED [00:10:01] PORTION OF THE BUILDING YES. ON THIS IN THE SECOND. SO WHERE THE, WHERE THE HAY LOFT WOULD BE? YES. YEAH. WHEN I WOULD, BY THIS SITE THAT WAS LOOKING BY. SO IT'S GOING ABOVE NOW THAT SPRAY THAT, YEAH. RAISING THE ROOF OF THAT BARN. WHEN I LOOKED THERE, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE, THE WAY I WAS THINKING, I, YOU WERE GONNA HAVE AN ADDITION, BUT YOU'RE NOT. RIGHT. IT'S JUST ABOVE. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT WOULD LOOK LIKE YOU NEEDED SOME WORK THERE, SOME ROUGH AREAS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH, YOU GONNA DO SOME REMODELING? THERE'S JUST THE, YEAH, THE EXTERIOR ER OF IT. YOUR, THE EXTERIOR. YEP. OKAY. IT'LL LOOK LIKE A WHOLE NEW BRAND NEW SECOND STORY. YEAH. BECAUSE IT, IT'S PRETTY WEATHER WARM. MM-HMM . I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW I GOTTA LOOK AT IT. HOW WAS IT GONNA DO THIS? AND NOW YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT. DO YOU HAVE SOME RENDERINGS? I DO. DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS TO SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY LEFT THE SENT SURROUND PROPERTY. THAT'S THE NEW RHETORIC. YEP. IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE BOTTOM PART. YES, I BELIEVE SO. IT'S JUST THESE FOUR THINGS FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YEAH. THERE'S NO OTHER REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S JUST THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE FOUR. YOU HAVE TO STATE AND ON THE RECORD THAT THEY MEET THOSE FOUR CRITERIA AND THEN ISSUE SPECIALTIES FOR, SO TONIGHT YOU WOULD DID THE APPLICATION COMPLETE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. WE COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ESSENTIALLY APPROVE IT THAT NIGHT. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I THINK, I MEAN, I JUST WANTED YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THE COLOR. 'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME COLOR. YEAH. WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE WHY NOT? SO TO, TO, TO NOT BE THE SAME COLOR. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUST CHANGING THE ROOF OF THAT ONE SECTION. AND IS THIS A SHORT FORM UNDER SEEKER SHORT FORM? YEP. SOMEONE COULD ARGUE. I, I'VE BEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THAT THAT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOING A BUILDING EXPANSION. BUT WE TEND TO ERR ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE BECAUSE IT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IT, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THEY APPROVE THE COMMISSION. SO THEREFORE WE ERR ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE AND TREAT IT AS A ALMOST AN ACTUAL, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL HAVE LITTLE INFECTED ENVIRONMENT. WE'RE REALLY NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT USES. AND JUST AS BILL IS ASKING AND YOU GUYS ARE ASKING, AESTHETIC IS AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE PLANS. SO DOES THIS HAVE TO GO TO THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE? TECHNIC AND THEN TECHNIC? TECHNICALLY, YES. TECHNICALLY THEIR NAUTICAL ADVICE. WHAT'S THAT? THEIR NAUTICAL THEME? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING RESIDENTIAL, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM FOR, BUT IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF SARAH, WHEN DOES THE, CAN WE GET SOMETHING FROM THE COMMITTEE? DON'T UNTIL MID DECEMBER? WELL, TOMORROW I'LL SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELECTRONICALLY. SO I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE MEETING TOMORROW, BUT IT'S TOO LATE TO GET YEAH, THEY WANT, I THINK THEY PUSHED BROADWAY GROUP FROM TOMORROW TO DECEMBER AS WELL. WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TALK ABOUT THOUGH. YEAH. EXCEPT THERE SHE'S ON THEIR AGENDA AND SHE'S GOT, WELL, SHE'S GONNA THE CAT MEETING TOMORROW AS WELL. YEAH, IT'S TRUE. SHE'S GOING THE CAMP MEETING. I MEAN, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL, SO IT SHOULD BE EASY. THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL ALLOWS THESE TYPES OF USES AND WE WANT THE CONVERSION. SO IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, NOT DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM, BUT A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD WATERFRONT CONSISTENCY, BECAUSE ALSO YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE ANY IMPACTS TO THE COASTAL WATER WASTE, DRAINAGE, ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHATEVER. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THEIR BUSINESS, BUT IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD WAF BECAUSE WE'RE IN A WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH HAS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THE, OF THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION AREA. SO THEN WE NEED TO DO THE DETERMINATION. SO ARE WE GONNA GET THE FORM THEN? YOU'LL PROVIDE THE FORM. I'LL GET IT. OKAY. SO IF HE CAN PROVIDE THE FORM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED THE FORM. RIGHT. 15 MINUTE FILL, ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE RIGHT. AND WE HAVE THE SHORT EF ALREADY READY. UM, I'M NOT SURE YOU, I DON'T THINK I DID ONE. THERE WASN'T ANY IMPACT TO THE SITE PHYSICALLY, SO I DIDN'T, IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE ONE, IF DON'T, YOU CAN DO THAT THEN DO THAT IN THE WATERFRONT. IN THE WATERFRONT FORM. I THINK YOU, YOU GOT KIND OF TWO CHOICES. WE COULD DO THE PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 1ST, BUT THEN PROBABLY NOT HEAR BACK FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE TILL DECEMBER 15TH. OR YOU COULD JUST DO THE PUBLIC HEAR, WE COULD DO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 15TH AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO DECEMBER 1ST. UH, I, WHATEVER WAS EASIER FOR YOU. UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY, WHATEVER'S GONNA GET HIM THROUGH THIS QUICKER PIECE. WHY DON'T, IF WE WON'T, WE WON'T HEAR FROM BACK FROM THE WATERFRONT FOR DECEMBER 1ST. SO EVEN IF WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 1ST, WE'D HAVE TO TABLE IT AFTER PUBLIC HEARING. WON'T WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM ON DECEMBER 1ST. THEY SAID WE WON'T, WE WON'T [00:15:01] UNTIL THE FIRST, UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST I GONNA SAY SO. SO IF WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIRST, BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING'S OVER, WE'D HAVE TO TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK ON THE 15TH. WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 15TH AND WE HEAR BACK FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, THEN WE COULD WRAP IT ALL UP ON THE 15TH. SO I THINK EITHER WAY THE 15TH WOULD BE THE DAY IT GETS ALL RAMPED UP. WHEN DID THEY MEET DECEMBER? IT'S USUALLY THE THIRD THURSDAY, SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UNTIL THE 16TH. SO, WELL, I KNOW IT'S ASKING A LOT, BUT THEY JUST SEND IT TO THE MEMBERS AND SAY, REMEMBER THEY'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD. THIS BOARD HAS TO MAKE THE ACTUAL DETERMINATION. I CAN ASK JOE KELLY. YEAH, DO THAT. I SAID IT SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM, AND THEN, SORRY, JUST A, WE DO HAVE A, A COVER LETTER FROM YOU THAT GOES THROUGH EACH OF THESE FOUR POINTS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I'LL PUT TOGETHER A FORMAT FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE A RESOLUTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECORD. YES, PLEASE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE CONCERNED, BUT WE PROBABLY JUST CHECK THE BOXES. YES. WE HAVE TO PREPARE THOSE RESOLUTIONS. WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT RIGHT FOR THE DECEMBER 1ST AND THEN YOU COULD, LIKE I SAID, YOUR 15 SO PUBLIC HEARING, THE FIRST I'M, NO, I'M THINKING IT'S JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING THE 15TH AND WRAP IT ALL UP ON THE 15TH. IF WE, IF WE BACK WELL, IF WE HAVE ANSWER, IF WE HEAR SOMETHING BACK FROM RIGHT. OKAY. BUT IT'LL BE MORE LIKELY TO GET SOMETHING BACK BEFORE THE 15TH THAN WE WILL BEFORE THE FIRST. RIGHT. SO TOTALLY FINE. I JUST WANNA HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIM. YEP. OKAY. DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON 4 0 9 7 LLC FOR DECEMBER 15TH. SECOND WISH BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. AND DREW'S GONNA DO RESOLUTIONS? YEP. THE DRAFT DECISION UNDER BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH AND THE PART TWO AND THREE FOR SECRET. RIGHT. FOR THE TAKING DECEMBER OFF, SO BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. OKAY. THAT MEANS I'M GONNA DO IT . ALRIGHT. I DON'T MIND. IF HE DOESN'T, I'LL TELL HIM ON THE 30TH AND MAKE HIM DO IT. EITHER ONE. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA'S. MCALLISTER PLUMBING REQUESTING SITE PLAN. APPROVAL OF A NEW BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT 3 0 8 0 AMSTEL ROAD. HELLO. HI. GOOD EVENING. I'M FRANK WHEEL MR. ASSOCIATES. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PLUMBING. UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED, YOU'D LIKE TO PUT ANOTHER BUILDING NEXT TO AN EXISTING STORAGE BUILDING ON SITE. UM, AND IT'S STRICTLY FOR STORAGE OF WATER HEATERS, ET CETERA. THE SUPPLY CHAIN, THE WAY IT IS, HE'S GOTTA START STOCKPILING HIS OWN MATERIAL HERE. SO IT'S GONNA BE TYPING AND WHAT HAVE YOU. THE COLD STORAGE BUILDING. UH, WE SUBMITTED A DRAWING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. THIS IS A PRE-ENGINEERED STRUCTURE AND IT'S GONNA VIRTUALLY DUPLICATE THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW WITH THE SAME COLORS, CR MOD OF THE WALLS. AND IT'LL HAVE EMPTY BRONZE FOR THE, UH, TRIM WORK ON. SO SAME DOOR LINE ON THE FRONT, SAME SIZE, SAME DOOR THAT YOU GAVE ME. MAY OH, YOU GOT IT. OKAY. I JUST HANDED OUT PHOTOS. SOMETIMES I DON'T GET TO GO TO THE SITE, SO I GO ON. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE IDENTICAL TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. YES. SO THIS CAN'T QUALIFY FOR SITE PLAN WAIVER? NO, IT'S TOO BIG. TOO BIG. OKAY. IT'S 3000, A LITTLE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET. IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY BIG ON THE . IT'S SO HARD TO GAIN GAUGE SIZE. RIGHT. UH, WE SURE THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING GUYS TOO, IF YOU HAVE TO GO BY THERE, IT'S A VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF SITE. NOTHING OUTSIDE STORAGE. RIGHT. HE'S EVEN AGREED TO ADD A COUPLE FISH IN THE COI POND. THERE'S ONLY TWO IN THERE NOW, SO HE'S TRYING TO DO HIS BEST. . ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD DESCRIBED IF HE STORES ANY HAZARDS, ANY HAZARD, UH, WATER HEATERS PIPE. THAT'S WHAT IT, NO CHEMICAL. NO CHEMICALS. NO CHEMICALS, NO. OKAY. STRICTLY PLUMBING EQUIPMENTS. OKAY. WILL, WILL YOU BE WORKING IN THERE OR IS IT JUST STRICTLY STORAGE? A STORAGE BUILDING NOW. OKAY. OH, OKAY. I, OKAY. I WOULD BUY THERE. I JUST KNOW ON THE ONE NEXT TO IT, UM, THE YOUNG BUILDING. RIGHT. I DUNNO WHAT GOES ON IN THERE. I, YEAH, BECAUSE THE NEW ONE, THE NEW ONE IS GONNA BE STRICTLY STORAGE FOR THE STORAGE, SO YOU CAN ORDER SURPLUS ONE BECAUSE DELIVERIES ARE HORRIBLE NOW. OKAY. SO, UH, IT'S A WAY AT LEAST TO, PLUS IT'S THE HAZARDOUS QUESTION. I, I WANT. YEAH. NOTHING HAZARDOUS. OKAY. YOU THINK WE CAN GET A FEW MORE TREES ON SOUTHWESTERN? YOU'RE SERIOUS, RIGHT? YEAH. THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE SIGN THAT'S ON SOUTHWESTERN BY PUTTING MORE TREES UP. NOBODY'S GONNA SEE THE SIGN. THERE'S LIKE A, SO WHERE'S THE SIGN? CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE SIGN IS? I DON'T SEE THE SIGN ON. [00:20:01] THERE'S A SIGN IN FRONT HERE ON, UH, AMSEL. THERE WAS ONE ON, WELL, THERE'S ONE ON SOUTHWEST WAS THERE, THERE THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN. OKAY. SO WHAT ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE CLOSER TO WHERE THE NEW BUILDING IS. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT THERE. YEAH, EXACTLY. EXACTLY. THERE. YES. THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THERE, THERE'S A GAP IN THE KIND OF A GAP. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A SWAY ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S ALL CURRENTLY ALL THE, THE DI'S DRAIN OVER HERE. THERE'S A, A LARGE INLET THAT GOES UNDER SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND THERE'S A S SWER, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH OF AN ELEVATION THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GET SOMETHING IN THERE. OKAY. OH, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE GAP TO SWALE. WELL, YEAH, BUT I BELIEVE WE TOOK SOME SHOTS HERE AND THERE'S, IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE, UH, THE SHOULDER MM-HMM . SO THERE'S ENOUGH THERE PROBABLY OKAY. TO THEN HAVE SOMETHING TO LIVE . RIGHT. BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK GOES THE WHOLE WAY, RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. SIDEWALKS, THAT'S TYP THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE REQUIRED IS APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL TREES FOR EXPANSIONS. SO, WELL, WE COULD FIT A COUPLE IN THERE. YEAH. WELL, IN THIS, IN THIS PICTURE THAT DREW HAS ONE OF THEM LOOKS DEAD TOO. ASH. IT'S AN ASH. IT'S BASICALLY ASH TREES THAT ARE DYING. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S UP THERE. OH, OKAY. SO, SO ARE THE, SO ARE ALL THE EXISTING ONES ASH, OR MOST LIKELY? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. I WAS, I DIDN'T PLANT THEM. I, RIGHT. YEAH. I, I DON'T, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE RASH, BUT I'VE TAKEN NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT'S, I MEAN, SO IT'D BE NICE TO MAYBE REPLACE PLANT, PLANT SOME IN BETWEEN THE, THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA DIE SO THAT ARE NOT SOMETHING MORE DURABLE. YEAH. YEAH. AND THE SARAH CAN GET YOU THE TREE LIST. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WOULD PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MCALLISTER PLUMBING FOR DECEMBER 1ST, SECOND BY MR. SHAW. ALL IN FAVOR. A A AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. SO, SO YOU WANT FRANK TO RESUBMIT SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL REASON THEN ADDITIONAL? YES. OKAY. YEAH. SHOULD WE, WHEN I SAY WE SHOULD SARAH PUT A SAMPLE RESOLUTIONS TOGETHER JUST IN CASE WE'LL ACT THAT NIGHT? I THINK SO, YES. I DON'T SEE WHY, UM, WE SHOULDN'T. SO THIS IS JUST EMAIL THAT TO ME BEFORE NEXT WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY. UM, THAT'S JUST, JUST SITE PLAN APPROVAL. RIGHT. LEMME TELL THE THINGS. NO SECRET. NOTHING ELSE. JUST THAT. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS LAMI INC. DID I SAY THAT EVEN CLOSE TO RIGHT? YES. OKAY. REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TWO GUARD CAR GARAGE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 4 4 1 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. YES. ALRIGHT, SO, OH YEAH, YEAH. SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT MY NOTES. YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, OH TWO CAR GARAGE, UM, SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I HAVE A 80-YEAR-OLD, YOU KNOW, MOTHER, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I MADE SOME IN NOTES HERE. I CAN READ HERE. OKAY. UM, AND I HAVE AN 80 YEAR MOTHER, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS WITH ME AND I TAKE CARE OF HER. UM, AND SINCE I'VE BEEN A, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, HEALTH, YOU KNOW, HEALTH PROBLEM AND, UM, THAT I NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE HER TO THE DOCTOR IN A LAB APPOINTMENT AND AT LEAST, UH, TWO TIMES A WEEK AND, UH, SHE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, TOLERATE FALL AND AS SHE IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, BLOOD THINNER MEDICINE, UM, UM, AND DUE TO HER, YOU KNOW, HEALTH PROBLEM AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR HER TO, YOU KNOW, GO IN AND OUT THE CAR AS SHE WALKED FEW STEPS AT A TIME. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR HER TO, YOU KNOW, WALK WHEN IT'S SNOW ICE COLD. SHE WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE YEARS, BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN'T DO THIS. SHE'S GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. YEAH. IT'S GONNA BE ATTACHED. YEAH. HOW'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING IS BECAUSE IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, SO IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN A, AND IT DOES REQUIRE A VARIANCE. IT WOULD BE, THE HOUSE ITSELF IS ALREADY TOO CLOSE TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. IT'S NEED VARIANCE. SO HE'LL, HE'S ALREADY ON THE DECEMBER 7TH ZBA AGENDA. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST FOR YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE WANTS TO DO IT AND IF HE GETS THE VARIANCE, HE'LL COME [00:25:01] BACK ON IT. AND DO WE HAVE, UM, ALL THE PAPERWORK WE NEED FROM HIM, THE SITE PLAN, ALL THAT? WE, WE TALKED TO HIM. YES. HOW'S, HOWS THE ROOF LINE GONNA WORK WITH THAT? IT'S SEEMS LIKE, UH, HE CAN'T DO A WAIVER 'CAUSE HE NEEDS A VARIANCE. THAT'S, YEAH. I MEAN, HOW, HOW'S, HOW'S WHEN HE PUTS A GARAGE, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PICTURE, IT'S SLANTED AND IF YOU PUT A GARAGE THERE AND YOU S SLANT IT MORE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE REALLY LOW, WE'RE GONNA, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A, A, UH, REVERSE PITCH ON IT. WE, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WORKED OUT. OKAY. CAN YOU GET LIKE A, SOME PICTURES SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? WE DO A SKETCH PLAN SHOWING THE OTHER ROOF LINES INTERSECT WITH THIS MANUALS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GONNA RIGHT AND, AND FROM THE ARROW AND FROM THE DRAWING, LIKE I SAID, THEY NEED A VARIANCE. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE IS GONNA GO RIGHT UP TO THE DRIVEWAY. IF NOT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT EXTEND YEAH, OH YEAH. INTO THE DRIVEWAY A LITTLE BIT. SO AS LONG, AS LONG AS WE KEEP CLEAR PASSAGE AROUND THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. I THINK FROM THIS DRAWING IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OBVIOUSLY TO GET AROUND, AROUND THE AREA. THERE ARE TWO CURBS ON. YEAH. BUT STILL THEY LIKE THE FLOW. IT'S A GOOD FLOW FOR THE BUSINESS AND FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS. ALRIGHT, SO DO YOU WANT HAVE THOSE ON DECEMBER 1ST AND THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE IT, WE CAN ACT ON IT DECEMBER 15 RIGHT? CAN SEE IT. YOU OR WE CAN, WE CAN SEE IT AND THEN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 15TH IF WE SEE IT ON THE FIRST, RIGHT? SURE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. DOES THAT TIMEFRAME WORK OUT? SURE. OKAY. SO DID THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. YOU'LL SEE THE CHANGES IN THE FIRST AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 15TH. OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO SEE US TWO MORE TIMES ON DECEMBER 1ST AND THEN WE'LL CALL PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 15TH. AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ZBA MEETING ON DECEMBER. I AM OUT OF TOWN ON THE FIRST. OKAY. DO THAT AGAIN ANYWAY. , HE'LL BE HERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LET'S BRING THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU PAY PEOPLE LIKE HIM. RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. , I THINK THAT THE ONLY, UH, ACTION THEN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF IT ALL LOOKS LIKE HIM. RIGHT. RIGHT. I DON'T WANNA QUITE SCHEDULE IT WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA DO IT THAT WAY. YEP. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL WANNA SCHEDULE THAT BILL? ALL I NEED. OKAY. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SIMI INC. TO DECEMBER 1ST, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MRS. UFFORD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED FOR ME TO WRITE WHAT YOU SAY. I CAN'T DENTIST. YEAH, SO I DON'T THAT PROBLEM. I JUST, SO IT'S, YEAH, WHICH IS NICE BECAUSE HE HAS AN EMERGENCY. I LIVED THERE. YOU LIVE THERE? I USED TO, YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE FOUND HIM. WE USED TO LIVE UP THERE. I LIVED DOWN. WELL NO IFIELD. YEAH, NO, I LIVED AT, I WAS GOING, UH, UV MY FRIEND MEYER. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE LIVED ON DEERFIELD, WHICH IS, UH, PENN. NO, WHAT STREET IS THE EC SIDE? OH, RYDER. KEN EXPRESSWAY EXIT FOR DEERFIELD. THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WAS IN 70. THAT WAS IN 74. YOU KNOW WHERE THE DOUBLE CIRCLES ARE? YEAH, HE'S RIGHT OFF THE DOUBLE CIRCLES. HARLEM. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CLOSE, BUT YES. YEAH, HE'S GOT FIVE KIDS. HIS SON IS TOO. OH, PERFECT. HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER DENTIST. AS LONG AS, YEAH. BUT YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA HAVE LIKE THE NAME OF SOMEBODY WHO'S HAS A GENTLE TIME WITH THAT STUFF. YEAH. [00:30:12] SARAH, WE HAVE MINUTES FROM THE 20TH AND THE THIRD GROUP. GROUP, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO THE MINUTES LAST TIME 'CAUSE OF OUR WORK SESSION. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH? WE CAN'T APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEITHER OF YOU WERE HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES. , SO WE'RE NOT GOING THE MEETING. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THE ONE BEFORE THAT. YEAH, WE CAN DO THE ONE BEFORE THAT. OKAY. THAT'S, YEAH. THAT'S INTERESTING. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH GRIEF I GET BECAUSE THE MINUTES ARE NOT ON THE WEBSITE. BUT YOU NEED, YOU NEED FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. AT LEAST FOUR OF WHO WAS PRESENT THERE, FOUR OF WHO WAS PRESENT AND YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR PRESENT. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THOSE SAME FOUR PRESENT. WOW. BUT WE CAN DO THE ONE FROM THE POINT. WHAT IF WE NEVER HAVE THOSE FOUR PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME EVER AGAIN. , THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CONSIDER AT A LATER DATE. ISSUE THEM AS DRAFT AND NEVER FINALIZE THEM. NEXT TWO. MESSED THAT UP. IS MR. MO ON THE MEETING FOR DECEMBER? YES. IT WAS TABLED LAST WEEK AT SCHMITZ. THINK ABOUT SETTING IT UNTIL HE COMES BACK HERE. THAT JUST GOES WITH SOMETHING YOU SIGNED. YEAH, THIS, IT REFERENCES THE MYLAR ONE. THIS, YOU SIGNED THOSE ALREADY ONCE. I THOUGHT I DID. YEAH, BUT THE COUNTY TURNED THEM AWAY BECAUSE THE PLAN ITSELF WAS TOO SMALL FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON IT. SO THESE ARE THE DRIGGERS SHARPIE SHARP. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S SO HARD TO TRY AND SIGN THESE THINGS WITH REGULAR PAD . I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT. DO YOU WANT ME TO HOLD THAT UP WITH ABOARD ON IT? THAT BUFFERS MAKE YOU THAT MUCH MOVING MY HAND TO WHERE HAVE TO WRITE. I HAVE TO MOVE. I HAVE TO WRITE TO WHERE MY HAND IS. OH, WORK ON THOSE. HOLD ON. NO, NO, YOU TAKE SARAH, WE'RE A FEW. YOU SHOW DOUG FOR A AND SITE PLANS DOESN'T MIND LOOKING AT HIM LIKE WE ASKED HIM MUCH STUFF AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT HE, BASED ON HIS EXPERTISE MAY HAVE THINGS THAT HE WANTS TO ADD ON THE, DID YOU LOOK AT THE TIER THREE [00:35:01] SITE PLANS? SOLAR? YEAH, I EMAILED YOU THAT. YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T BUY A COPY. WE ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES LEFT. JUST PUT IT ON YOUR AGENDA NOW BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PROCESS AND WHATEVER IN THE PAST AND WHATEVER. SO IN THE COMING YEAR, IN THE FIRST OF YEAR, LET'S TALK ABOUT PROCESS AND WHATEVER. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT HAPPENED THIS, THIS WEEK WAS I TRIED TO ISSUE, I TRIED TO GET YOU MY REPORTS BY THE END OF THE WEEK. WELL AS SARAH KNOWS, ALL THE PLANS CAME IN LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON. RIGHT. I HAVE UPDATED MEMOS FOR YOU TONIGHT, BUT YOU HAVEN A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM BECAUSE ALL THE STUFF CAME IN FRIDAY AFTERNOON. SO I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM TILL MONDAY AND TUESDAY. AND I UPDATED MY MEMOS THOUGH. THEY USED TO COME IN MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HAPPENING ANYMORE. BUT I MEAN, WE'LL JUST TALK PROCESS. HOW WE MAKE SURE, WELL WE CAN LET, RIGHT, WE CAN LET DREW HAVE AN EXTRA DAY OR TWO. RIGHT? RIGHT. I THINK IF IT'S SOMETHING COMING FROM YOU AND SARAH OR ANOTHER AGENCY BUT ALSO GIVES, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING STUFF THE NIGHT OF A MEETING OR THE DAY BEFORE A MEETING AND YOU HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT ALL. I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU TO TUESDAY, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN HAVE MONDAY, I'M SAYING YEAH. YEAH. HOW ABOUT MONDAY? BUT IF IT CAME LATE FRIDAY, I CAN REVIEW SATURDAY OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. I TRY TO GET TO YOU BEFORE THE WEEKEND. THAT'S EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. THAT'S DIFFERENT. LIKE IF YOU SAY MONDAY AFTERNOON WHEN YOU HAVE, IF DREW COULD SEND IT TO US MONDAY AFTER LIKE, LIKE THE STUFF FROM EVERYBODY ELSE COMES IN ON FRIDAY. CORRECT. SO THEN DREW CAN HAVE UNTIL MONDAY TO DO HIS THING BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM WHERE HE SAYS, WELL THEY NEVER RESPONDED TO THIS AND THEN, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND NOW IT'S, AND THEY GONNA RESPOND RESPONSES. YEAH. TWO YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. LIKE GUIDELINES AND WE WOULD GET STUFF 20 MINUTES BEFORE MEETING WOULD START. RIGHT. SO, AND WHAT, WHAT OTHER TOWNS DO? I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP. BUT OTHER TOWNS WILL SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN SUBMIT STUFF, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON IT. YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT. WE CAN LISTEN TO YOU. WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ALL THEY WANT BECAUSE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU GUYS DEVELOPED THE BEST PROCESS THAT WORKS FOR YOU. REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH WAS A WORK SESSION MEETING. DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN STUFF HANDED TO YOU AT THE WORK SESSION MEETING AND WENT FROM THERE. RIGHT. WE CHANGED IT TO TRY TO DO WORK SESSIONS AT BOTH MEETINGS. SO IF IT COMES A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, NO, HE'S HAVING A GOOD OLD TIMES. I THINK, UM, I DUNNO, I'M, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE MAYBE WE WANNA MAKE, I'M JUST SAYING FURTHER IN ADVANCE BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S SEVEN OR 10 DAYS AHEAD OF THE, BUT THAT'S HARD WHEN WE HAVE THE TWO MEETINGS BECAUSE IT BASICALLY MEANS YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE. JUST THINK ABOUT, I THINK FRIDAY'S WORKING OUT. I THINK WE, WE CAN GET JUST GET DREW AN EXTRA EXTRA TIME. YOU MAKE IT THURSDAY. YEAH. I DON'T YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THE PPLICANT HAS TO BE TO THEM, RIGHT? IF IT'S, IF IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK, IT'S RIGHT ON FRIDAY. YOU DON'T THINK FRIDAY'S WORKING OUT? PARDON? WELL WHAT CAITLIN'S TALKING ABOUT MOVING THURSDAY. I'M SAYING THAT WE'RE GENEROUS AND IF SOMEONE'S GONNA PAY THE PRICE CA CAN CAN WE ESCORT LIKE THURSDAY NIGHT BY LIKE 10:00 AM ON FRIDAY MORNINGS? THERE'S ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THEN, THEN THAT MEANS THAT MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY NIGHT, IF YOU HAVE OTHER MEETINGS, LIKE I SAID, JUST JUST TALK ABOUT IT. THINK ABOUT IT. WE'LL STUFF WE HAVE A NEW YEAR. I THINK WE KEEP IT, KEEP IT FRIDAY AND THEN GIVE DREW EXTRA TIME. EVEN FRIDAY AT NOON WOULDN'T BE A FRIDAY. NO. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. INSTEAD OF FIVE, NOON INSTEAD OF FIVE. WORKDAY IS FIVE O USUALLY. YEAH, I NO PROBLEM WITH FIVE. YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING. I JUST DON'T BECAUSE A NORMAL WORK. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE, AND I THINK THE NEW IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA IS IF WE EXTEND TO FIVE O'CLOCK, IT PUTS SARAH IN A DIFFICULT POSITION IF SOMETHING COMES IN. NO, IT'S CURRENTLY A FIVE O'CLOCK, ISN'T IT? I DON'T THINK IT IS. I THINK IT HAS TO BE IN OUR FRIDAY FULL STOP, RIGHT? FRIDAY. WHAT TIME THOUGH? I DON'T THINK THERE. MIDNIGHT. YEAH, MIDNIGHT. OH, OKAY. I TELL YOU FRIDAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE YOUR DEADLINE. YEAH. I TELL 'EM FRIDAY AT FIVE, BUT WHATEVER DEADLINE YOU GUYS HAVE, I KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU GUYS, BUT I'M NOT A TOWN EMPLOYEE, SO I'M NOT IN THE OFFICE FROM NINE TO FIVE. RIGHT. I'M ONLY THERE AS LONG AS I'M THERE. SO LIKE LAST FRIDAY I'M THERE WITH MY FATHER HELPING MY DAD OUT AND I KEPT HAVING TO CHECK MY PHONE. RIGHT? BECAUSE ALL EVERYBODY SAID WE'RE GONNA BRING IT IN ON FRIDAY. I GOT ONE OF THEM AT LIKE 4 45. THAT'S WHAT I'M, IF I MISSED THAT EMAIL RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SAYING. LIKE I PERHAPS NOON MIGHT BE IDEA BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU WOULD KNOW CHECK MY EMAIL AT THREE O'CLOCK. THEY'RE ALL THERE AND IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, IT'S TOO LATE. TOO LATE. PUT ONUS ON THE ADVOCATE FRIDAY CAN BE OVER. YES. YEAH. PUT THE ONUS ON THE APP AND THAT WAY IT DOESN'T SORRY. PUT THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT. IT DOESN'T CREATE THE FIVE O'CLOCK. WELL I GET IT, BUT IT, WE CAN MOVE IT UP TWO HOURS AND GIVE DREW UNTIL MONDAY. ALRIGHT, THEN WE DREW TWO WOULD NO ON FRIDAY FOR HIS MEMO BY THREE OR FOUR O'CLOCK THAT HE'S GOT PROJECTS HE NEEDS TO GET A MEMO TO US ON BY MONDAY NIGHT. [00:40:01] SO VERSUS GETTING THE TEXT FROM YOU OR THE EMAIL FROM YOU. HEY, WE GOT THESE THREE THINGS IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK. ALRIGHT, WELL IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK. SO WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021 MEETING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. PLEASE RISE FROM PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE STATES OF ONE NATION UNDER BEHALF. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SCHMIDT'S GARAGE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 9 6 8 LEGION ROAD. YOU HAVE TO TABLE THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE TABLED AT THE CBA LAST WEEK. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE NEXT DBA IS DECEMBER NINE, SEVENTH, SO YOU GOTTA TABLE IT TO THE 15TH. 15. OKAY, SO, UM, BEING A MOTION TO TABLE SCHMIDT'S GARAGE TO DECEMBER 15TH. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. I. MOTION CARRIED. YOU WANT ME TO WRITE SOMETHING DOWN? MAKE THIS, NO, I GOTTA WRITE MY OWN STUFF AND I'LL REMEMBER. NEXT ITEM. THE AGENDA IS BUFFALO SOLAR REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED AT 6 2 7 1 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. HELLO, SARAH, DO YOU HAVE ANY PRINTOUTS OF A COPY OF THEIR LETTER? ALL RIGHT, SO WE ASKED FOR A LOT OF THINGS. WE GOT A LOT OF THINGS. WE GOT SOME OF THE THINGS. WHAT ARE WE STILL MISSING? I HAVE THREE OF HARD COPIES. SO IN YOUR PACKAGE TONIGHT THAT I HANDED OUT, I UPDATED THAT CHECKLIST THAT I CREATED FROM YOUR LAW. WE CAN GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE CHECKLIST, FIRST OF ALL AND JUST SEE IF YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM THEM. OKAY. WE CAN QUICKLY GO THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH HIT ALL THE THINGS WE ASKED FOR THREE WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, UH, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE LAW APPLIES. THEY, THEY SUBMIT AN F-F-B-A-S. SARAH STARTED THE COORDINATOR REVIEW ON LAST FRIDAY OR MONDAY. IT WAS UH, TUESDAY. TUESDAY, OKAY. SO WE HAD 30 DAYS FROM THAT PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. UH, THERE'S TIMEFRAMES. WE REFERRED IT. THEY DID CONTACT THE TOWN ATTORNEY. THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAS GOTTEN SAMPLE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENTS FROM THEM TO TALK TO THEM. IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT. THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT. UM, BUT THEY HAVE DONE THAT. THEY'VE CONTACTED THE, THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO GET SAMPLE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENTS FOR THAT. UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY CALLED ME AND ASKED ME TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO THEM. UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING YET. WE'LL FILL THAT IN. UH, HAVE WE DONE THE REFERRAL TO, SO THE REFERRAL TO THE COUNTY'S BEEN DONE, UH, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, VEHICLE VEHICULAR TASKS HAVE BEEN SHOWN. THE PLANS I'M STILL RECOMMENDING, I SURE YOU GUYS ARE ARE, UH, PROPOSING, BUT I HAVE A A, A REAL GOOD SAMPLE THAT DEC RECOMMENDS ON, ON OUS, UH, PERVIOUS, UH, TYPE INSTALLATIONS OR RECOMMENDATION. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PROPOSING? I THINK IT'S, IT'S UH, I THINK YOU WERE PROPOSING, UH, STONE, I BELIEVE. YES. YEAH, I I I HAVE A SAMPLE TO SHOW YOU AND I AND WHATEVER, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THAT. BUT ANYWAY, THEY DID SHOW IT ON THE PLANS. THE SIGN IS THAT YOU HAVE A SIGNAGE SHEET THERE. THEY DID PROVIDE INFORMATION STATING THAT THERE ARE NO PFAS COMPOUNDS OR OTHER COMPONENTS IN THE COATING OR OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE, OF THE SOLAR ARRAY. UM, LIGHTING. UH, THERE YOU'RE PROPOSING NO LIGHTING, CORRECT? CORRECT. NONE SHOWN ON THE PLAN NOISE. THEY HAVE GIVEN THE INVERTER NOISE LEVELS. UH, WELL THE ONLY THING THEY HAVEN'T DONE IS AS QUICK AND EASY. I DID IT, BUT IT'S QUICK AND EASY CALCULATION. JUST GO WHAT THE LEVEL IS AT THE NEAREST INVERTER TO THE NEAREST HOME AND DO THE SIMPLE INVERSE REQUIREMENT. WHAT IT WILL BE AT THE HOME. IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN 35 DECIBELS, WHICH IS WAY BELOW ANY STANDARD, BUT I THINK YOU'RE 65 OR 76 5 AT THE, AT THE INVERTER. SO JUST DO THE QUICK, WHATEVER YOUR INVERTER IS TO THE NEAREST HOME, GIVE US THAT CALCULATION. UM, TREE CUTTING. THEY PROVIDED THAT ON THE INFORMATION ON THE DRAW THEY SHOWN WHERE THEY'RE CLEARING TREES AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. THEY ARE CLEARING A, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TREES. THEY DID SUBMIT A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN. WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT YET. UM, BUT THEY DID SUBMIT A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN. UM, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD, UH, SECURITY THAT COMES AFTER APPROVAL. UH, THEY PAID [00:45:01] THE APPLICATION FEES, CORRECT? YES. MM-HMM . AND MAINTENANCE PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. HAVEN'T COMPLETELY REVIEWED IT. THE SAFETY PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. I HAVEN'T COMPLETELY REVIEWED IT YET, BUT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IT. ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURE RESOURCES. THEY SUBMITTED THE FDAF AND THEY SUBMITTED INFORMATION ON WETLANDS AND THEY GAVE US INFORMATION OF WHERE THE REMEDIATION SITE WAS THAT POPPED UP ON THE A F MAP FOR WHERE IT IS. IT'S, IT'S A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY. SORRY. DO WE HAVE THE LETTER FROM JOHN WILSON? WE DO NOT HAVE IT YET. WE SHOULD HAVE IT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. WE DON'T THAT WE JUST HAVE, THEY SUBMITTED WETLANDS INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR THE REPORT FROM JOHN WILSON TO CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS. RIGHT. HE, HE TOLD US THAT ON SITE, BUT HE HAS NOT GIVEN US THE FINAL LETTER YET. THE NEXT SECTION IS ABOUT SOLAR SKY SPACE. THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT. IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN. IF YOU NEED TO GET SOLAR SKY SPACE, OBVIOUSLY YOU WON'T KNOW THE PROPERTY AROUND THERE OR, OR LEASE. SO YOU HAVE THAT. UH, THEN THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS. I WON'T BORE YOU AND GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAVE MET, THEY'VE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING. I DID NOTE STILL THAT, UM, ITEM B IS REQUIRES A LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE WERE GONNA GIVE THEM SOME IDEA OF, OF WHETHER WE NEED ANY LANDSCAPING. THEY'RE PROPOSING THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A WOODED AREA. THERE IS SOME CONCERN. SARAH AND OTHERS HAVE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT IF THEY'RE DECIDUOUS TREES THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA VIEW THOSE SOLAR PANELS. WE ALSO LEARNED THAT THEY'RE MOUNTED TO THE GROUND. AGAIN, I FOUND NO OTHER SOLAR COMPANY THAT HAS MOUNTED TO THE GROUND. THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING SETUP. I'VE DONE PROBABLY 50 SOLAR PROJECTS NOW. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. BUT ANYWAY. SO, UH, THEY HAVE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. H IS, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YEP. SO WHEN THIS RESPONSE CAME FROM OUR CREDIT SUBMITTAL, IT SAYS THAT THAT SHEET A 1 0 1 WAS UPDATED RIGHT. AND SHOWS THE TREES THAT YOUR, YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TO THAT? UH, NO. IT WAS REALLY, UM, WE'RE GONNA DETERMINE TONIGHT. THAT SECTION ALSO REQUIRES A LANDSCAPE PLAN. I THINK YOU'RE PROPOSING THE FACT THAT IT'S A WOODED AREA AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE SCREENED. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TONIGHT WHETHER YOU NEED LANDSCAPING OR NOT TO BLOCK VIEWS OR WHATEVER OF THIS. AND AGAIN, YOU GOTTA LOW TO THE GROUND, IT'LL BE MUCH EASIER, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A SEVEN FOOT FENCE AROUND IT. UM, H IS, THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, THE PROPERTY OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PLAN. I LEFT IT ON THERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IS THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. CORRECT. USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE COMMENTING ON IN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE IS, IS MAINTAINING THE STUFF THAT'S GROWING UNDERNEATH THE PANELS, MAINTAINING THE DRIVEWAYS, MAKING SURE THEIR ACCESS TO THE, TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS. AND THEN IF THEY PROPOSE LANDSCAPING, WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE A GUARANTEE AND A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR ANY LANDSCAPING THAT'S, THAT'S THERE. UM, THEY SUBMITTED THE AF NOW, UH, SO I, I COULD TAKE THAT OFF MY LIST AND, AND AGAIN, AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ITEM, ITEM J, ITEM L, WHICH ALSO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT, WE MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON. UM, SO SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT STANDARDS. BUT REAL QUICKLY TO STOP ME, LOT SIZE IS DEFINED AS THEY MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS NO LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT. SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT IF THE, THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE PROPERTY LINE SETBACKS AND DWELLING IN THE SETBACKS, THEY'VE ADDED THAT TO THE PLAN. THEY SHOWED THOSE SETBACKS. SO TECHNICALLY THEY MEET THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UM, OKAY. UH, HEIGHT PROPOSED AGAIN BASED UPON THE FIRST MEETING OR WHATEVER. I THINK WE'RE GOING IS IT THREE FEET YOU SAID, OR AROUND? NO, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 14 INCHES OFF THE GROUND. OKAY. IT'S VERY, VERY LOW. I PUT LESS THAN THREE FEET THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST POINT'S GONNA BE THE FENCE. OKAY. AND THE FENCE IS A SEVEN FOOT FENCE AROUND IT. THE FENCING REQUIREMENTS THEY'VE SUBMITTED, THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS. WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE INSTALLING IS THE REQUIREMENT, A SEVEN FOOT FENCE, UH, SCREENING AND VISIBILITY. THIS IS UNDER FIVE ACRES. SO IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DURING THIS MEETING. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THESE HAVE THE VIEWS OF THIS HAVE BEEN SCREENED ENOUGH OR WHETHER YOU NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. UM, WE'RE NOT THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM LARGER THAN FIVE ACRES. SO NONE OF THOSE APPLY AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES. I'VE NOTED THAT THIS IS NOT IN AN AG DISTRICT, A STATE OR COUNTY AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. AND THERE'S NO FARMING CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S NO, NO REQUIREMENTS FOR AGRICULTURAL IMPACTS. SO THE REST OF THIS SECTION DOESN'T APPLY. NOISE WE SAW BEFORE. I DO JUST NEED, THEY SUBMITTED THE INFORMATION ON THE NOISE. I JUST NEED SOMETHING TO SAY THAT WILL BLOW ANY THRESHOLD SENDING NEAR HOME OR RECEPTOR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL. THEY SUBMITTED INFORMATION ON HAZARDOUS MATERIAL. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PFASS THEY TALKED ABOUT AND THEY'RE STATING THAT IT IS OBVIOUSLY SILICON AND, AND METALS ARE THE BASIC COMPONENTS OF THIS. THE INVERTERS WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU USE. I FORGOT TO ASK IN THE INVERTERS, DO THEY, DO YOU USE VEGETABLE OIL OR IS THERE A CERTAIN TYPE OF OILS THEY USE? THEN AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LARGE QUANTITIES HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LIKE A HUGE SYSTEM, BUT I BELIEVE MOST OF THOSE COME NOW WITH AN ORGANIC BASED, UH, OIL AND JUST THEY CHECK WITH YOUR MANUFACTURER THAT YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THERE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT ANYWAY. AND THEN THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE [00:50:01] SOMETHING THE TOWN TAKES CARE OF IF YOU APPROVE THIS REQUIREMENT. AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS ON SAFETY. THEY'RE STATING THAT THEY'RE HAVING NO BATTER RESTORED AND THAT THE SAFETY PLAN IN OWEN AND THAT PLAN HAVE BEEN SUBMIT. I JUST HAD NOT A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS QUICKLY. SO THEY HAVE TECHNICALLY SUBMITTED EVERY, EVERYTHING. THERE ARE SOME CLARIFICATIONS WE'RE GONNA, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT. YEAH. UM, SOME OF THE ISSUES, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IT WAS, IT WAS BRIEFLY MENTIONED AT THE WORK SESSION, UM, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, RIGHT? WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE CUTTING DOWN A BUNCH OF TREES, BUT THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, JUST AS YOU PLANTING GRASS, IF IT'S DECOMMISSIONED, UM, I THINK WE, IF IF YOU'RE GONNA CUT DOWN TREES, IF IT'S DECOMMISSIONED, WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN REPLANT TREES WHEN RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN NOT IF, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THESE, THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY WILL BE OVER. AND IF IT'S WELL, THEY COULD REPLACE 'EM WITH A NEW SOLAR PANELS THOUGH TOO AT THAT POINT. WELL, THEY WOULD NEED PERMIT, RIGHT? ? WELL, YES, BUT DECOMMISSIONING WOULD, IF IT'S NOT PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT REQUIRE. AND BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE STATED THAT, AGAIN, THEY DIDN'T DO A TREE SURVEY, BUT THEY STATED MOST OF THIS I DID BEST I COULD OFF AN AERIAL PHOTO. I DIDN'T GO TO THE SITE. THESE ARE SMALLER TREES AND WHATEVER THEY'RE OUT THERE. BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE PROJECTS COME IN AND SAY WE'RE GONNA RETURN IT TO EXISTING CONDITIONS. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA PLANT A THOUSAND TREES ON THE PROPERTY. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE STATING IS THAT THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN MUST INCLUDE SOME TREE REPLANTING ON THE SITE. WELL ALSO THE TREES THAT ARE NOW SMALL TODAY IN 25 YEARS ARE NOT GONNA BE SMALLER. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING, AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT SAYING SIX FOOT TREES EITHER. RIGHT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THOSE TREES ARE DEAD. I ASSUME THEY'RE UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE. YES. YEAH, FROM THE AERIAL PHOTO, IT LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF 'EM ARE DEAD. THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM ALREADY ON THE GROUND. RIGHT. IT AND SARAH, DO YOU FIND OUT IF THEY WERE EVERGREEN TREES OR DECIDUOUS TREES? UM, THEY STATED THAT MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE DECIDUOUS. OKAY. SO, SO WE DON'T, DON'T HAVE INTEREST SCREENING. SO I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK IS A, A CHALLENGE WITH THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS UNCLEAR WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PLACE JUST UNDER AN ACRE OF GRAVEL AND PLACE THESE BALLASTED STRUCTURES ON THE GRAVEL. CORRECT. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT JUST TALKED ABOUT HERE IS THE GRAVEL REMOVAL FROM THE SITE IS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK HERE ABOUT RESTORATION. IT'S TOP SOIL REMOVAL OF ABOVEGROUND STRUCTURES. BUT IF YOU'RE REALLY GONNA RESTORE THE SITE SO THAT SOMETHING ELSE CAN GO BACK IN IT, BE THAT A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING, THEY MAY WANNA HAVE A YARD. SO PART OF IT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ADDED TO THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN IS A PLAN AND COST FOR REMOVING THAT, THAT GRAVEL, BECAUSE YOU WOULD THEN WANT TO RESTORE THE TOP. SO EVEN IF SOMEBODY'S JUST WHATEVER THEY WANNA PUT IT TO, MOST BUSINESSES HAVE SOME SORT OF LEVEL OF GRASP, BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO RESTORE, REMOVE THE GRAVEL. RIGHT. IS THAT A YEAH, THAT'LL HAVE BE PART OF THE DECOMMISSIONING. I DON'T, I DIDN'T . AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT IN THAT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT IN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE GRAVEL AND THEN RESTORE SO THAT YOU CAN PLANT VEGETATION BACK ON DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE. THAT IS DEFINITELY A PART OF OUR PLAN. AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS DISCUSSED. SO IT'S DISCUSSED IN OUR, UH, UPDATED DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, WHICH YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YET. OKAY. OH, NO, THIS IS IT, IT'S ISN'T DISCUSSED. IT ISN'T DISCUSSED. OKAY. I I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE. IT, THE PROJECT COMPONENT MODULE REMOVAL, PAD REMOVAL, IT'S APPLICABLE, BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT GRAVEL REMOVAL, WIRE REMOVAL, RACKING AND FENCING. UH, NUMBER EIGHT ACTUALLY ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING? I'M ON PAGE TWO. OKAY. GO TO THE, UH, THE ESTIMATE SECTION AT THE BACK ON SHEETS. UH, THREE OF FOUR. OKAY. WELL, IGNORING THE ESTIMATE, THAT'S YOUR COST ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S NOT DESCRIBED WITH PROCEDURES AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THERE. OKAY. REMOVE THAT IS NOT DISCUSSED. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WAS TAKEN FROM ONE THAT HAS MORE TRADITIONAL RACKING BECAUSE THERE IS DISCUSSION OF RACKING REMOVAL HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING INSTALLED. OKAY. THERE, OKAY. THERE IS RACKING BEING INSTALLED. IT'S JUST THEIR PLASTIC BUCKETS RATHER THAN PILE DRIVEN POST. SO WE STILL CALL THEM RACKING EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TRADITIONAL RACKING. UM, THE GRAVEL REMOVAL IS DISCUSSED ON SHEET 3 0 4 IN THE COST ESTIMATE AREA. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ONE OF THE LARGER COSTS IN THE DECOMMISSIONING SETUP. WE WILL BE REMOVING ALL OF THAT GRAVEL AND IT IS A HEFTY COST TO DO THAT. SO, BUT YOU'RE JUST SAYING PUT IT IN THE NARRATIVE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE NARRATIVE, IN THE DESCRIPTION. JUST PUT IT IN THE DESCRIPTION. SURE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT THAT IS A PART OF THE PLAN. IT'S JUST MAYBE NOT AS CLEAR AS IT SHOULD BE. YEP. YEAH. [00:55:01] THAT'S, THAT'S STILL LIKE THIS, THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT, 'CAUSE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING UNDERNEATH THE PANELS AND WHATEVER. SO THIS IS GONNA BE GRAVEL, OBVIOUSLY. YOU CAN'T PLAN ANYTHING UNDER THE PANEL. THE, SO THIS IS GONNA BE RIGHT ON THE GRAVEL. YOU'RE, I'M NOT PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH, I MEAN, USUALLY WE TRY TO HAVE GRASSES AND, AND PUT IN PLACE TO STABILIZE WHATEVER THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE JUST GONNA COME AND PLACE GRAVEL OVER IT. SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. RIGHT. WELL, SIMILAR TO YOU, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN A GROUND MOUNTAIN SYSTEM THAT'S NOT, THAT'S RIGHT. UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL FEET HIGHER. RIGHT. WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I DID LOOK AT THE CASE STUDIES AND I SENT THIS TO SARAH AND COPIED CAMEO EARLIER TODAY. LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE TYPICALLY THESE SYSTEMS ARE ON ROOFS, PARKING LOTS, PADS, AIRPORT, LIKE THE EXAMPLES ON THE MM-HMM . SOGA WEBSITE. SO ACCESS, YEP. THE, THE, UM, THE CASE STUDIES, BECAUSE I DID TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. IT'S JUST INTERESTING BECAUSE I MEAN, I I WON'T, IT'S THE ENGINEERING ISSUE. I WAS GONNA ASK MY GUIDE THAT TOO IS THAT USUALLY WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY DO THIS ALL AT ONCE. IT'S NOT LIKE, AND YOU'RE GONNA STABILIZE THAT. YOU'RE JUST GONNA BRING GRAVEL IN. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO PLANT GRASSES AND STABILIZE IT, WHATEVER. YOU'RE JUST GONNA BRING GRAVEL IN AND THAT'S YOUR STABILIZATION. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE DON'T NEED TO REALLY LEVEL THE GROUND EITHER BECAUSE WE CAN LEVEL WITH THE GROUND. SO, BUT KAILYN HAS, YOU DIDN'T GET TO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS THE CONCERN IS THAT IS THE GROUND STA AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CAMMIE TO CONSIDER, IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO THE GROUND, YOU'VE GOT THE SNOW, YOU'VE GOT WHATEVER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING STABILIZING UNDER IT OTHER THAN I GUESS THE PERIMETER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GRAVEL WITH THE GRAVEL. IS THIS A, I GUESS HOW DO WE EVEN TREAT THIS? I MEAN, PART OF IT IS, IS IT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE? BECAUSE IT'S ONLY WHAT, INCHES DEEP, 14 INCHES ON THE GROUND WITH ONLY 12 INCH ROW SPACING, WHICH IS A LOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAN A TYPICAL RACK, YOU KNOW, MORE TRADITIONAL RACKING SYSTEM. AND THEN HOW IS THAT GONNA HOLD UP AND IS IT GONNA SHIFT OR MOVE OR THE EXAMPLES ON THE, THE MANUFACTURER WEBSITE, WERE ALL ON HARD FIXED SURFACE. AND WITH THE GRAVEL AND THE GROUND AND POTENTIAL, WITH THE CHA DRASTIC CHANGE IN VEGETATION, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT HOW STABLE IT IS WHERE IT STAYS? AND, AND IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, THEN THIS IS GONNA BE THERE FOR 20, 25 YEARS. HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN? AND IS THAT GONNA MAKE SENSE OR WORK? AND THAT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IN MY MIND IT'S, IT'S A GRAVEL PARKING LOT THAT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF IT. IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. UNLESS THEY BUILD IT AS A PERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH HAS SPECIFIC DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IT'S A GRAVEL AREA THAT, SO IT'S TREATED AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GRAVEL, IT'S CALCULATED ACCORDINGLY IN DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS. IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME AS PAVEMENT, BUT IT, IT'S STILL, UH, UH, CONSIDERED A HARD SURFACE. A AS FOR THE STABILITY OF THE GROUND. I MEAN, IT, IT'S UP TO THEM TO CLEAR, YOU KNOW, LOOSE MATERIALS OFF THE TOP, TOP SOIL AND COMPACT IF NEEDED. IF NOT, IT MAY SHIFT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROPERLY INSTALL JUST AS ANY GRAVEL PARKING LOT WOULD BE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INSTALLERS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T RU ONCE YOU DRIVE VEHICLES ON IT OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT. SO THIS IS, IT'S UP TO THEM TO INSTALL THIS STONE LAYER APPROPRIATELY SO THAT IT DOES NOT SHIFT, UH, ONCE THE RACKING AND EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY ON TOP OF IT AND IT'S SPENT A COUPLE YEARS EXPOSED TO WEATHER AND SO ON. MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND, AND ONE THING I JUST, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. EXCUSE ME. ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT, LIKE YOU USED THE WORD HAVEN'T SEEN AND UNIQUE AND WE, WE'VE GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO, TO DO THAT ON PURPOSE. AND SO SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN, JUST IF WE HAVE BIG SOLAR PANELS AND YOU HAVE THINGS THAT YOU SEE, OUR GENERAL GOAL IS HOW DO WE TAKE AND KIND OF WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE HOW DO YOU DESIGN THESE USING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT PROVIDES, UH, THE BEST COSMETIC VIEW OR NO VIEW? AND THEN HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THINGS LIKE THIS THAT GET US THERE? SO, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT BY ACCIDENT. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER, IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A BETTER IMPACT HOLISTICALLY FOR THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH WHEN WE PUT THIS IN. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE IRAQIAN COMPANY TO, SO IT CAN GO ON A ROOF AND IT CAN GO OTHER PLACES, BUT IT ABSOLUTELY CAN GO AS A GROUND MOUSE SYSTEM AS WELL. AND IT'S BEEN DONE, IT'S BEEN PROVEN. IT'S BEEN SHOWN, AND IT'S, AND IT'S GUARANTEED. AND, AND BASICALLY, UH, UM, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A RECOMMENDED JUICE BY THE, BY THE PROVIDER. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, PITCH YOU SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED WITH INSTALLERS WHO HAVE INSTALLED THIS IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL AND GOTTEN ADVICE FROM 'EM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, [01:00:01] EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, HOW TO PUT IT DOWN APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SHIFT LATER ON SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WEEDS WON'T GROW UP THROUGH THE GRAVEL AND TO SHAVE THE PANELS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE'VE GOTTEN AS MUCH GUIDANCE AS WE CAN ON HOW TO DO THIS APPROPRIATELY. AND THERE ARE OTHER INSTALLS. UM, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH, UH, ALI, WHO IS THE CEO OF SGA, HE TOLD ME THEY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE 15 MEGAWATTS OF THIS INSTALLED, UH, DEPLOYED ON THE GROUND ALREADY AND IT'S TAKING OFF. AND NEXT YEAR THEY EXPECT IT TO BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THEIR, UH, OF THEIR SALES OF THIS PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY ON GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEMS, NOT ON ROOF MOUNTED SYSTEMS. SO IT'S BECOMING MORE OF A THING. IT IS RATHER NEW. LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE ASKED IF THERE WAS ONE, UM, WHERE THE NEAREST ONE WAS CORRECT AND NOBODY COULD PIN IT DOWN. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEAREST ONE IS? YEAH, THAT IS IN THE APPLICATION. WHAT, WHAT TOWN IS IT IN? KELLY, DO YOU REMEMBER? I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, IT'S ACROSS NEW YORKVILLE. IT'S IN THE HUDSON VALLEY. IT'S MELVILLE. MELVILLE. THANK YOU. IT'S A BIT OF A DRAW. YEAH. SO, SO BACK TO THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA GET BACK TO YOU. SO YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S, YOU GUYS AREN'T PLANNING TO DO ANY GRADING. YOU WOULD LEVEL ANYTHING WITH THE GRAVEL. DO YOU HAVE A INSTALLATION PLAN OR METHODS AND APPROACH? SO ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAMMY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS IF YOU HAVE TO PROPERLY COMPACT, MAKE SURE YOU LEVEL ANYTHING, DO YOU HAVE A, CAN YOU PROVIDE A WRITEUP THAT DESCRIBES HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT? SURE. WE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, WE'VE NEVER ASKED THAT BEFORE. OH, WE NEVER ASKED THAT BEFORE. THAT'S, I MEAN, IT, IT'S LIKE I, IN THE COMPARISON OF A GRAVEL PARKING LOT, I DON'T, WE TYPICALLY DON'T TELL THE CONTRACTOR HOW TO PUT IT IN CORRECTLY. I, I MEAN YOU CAN ASK FOR IT, BUT THEY DON'T ALSO USUALLY SAY THEY'RE NOT GRADING IT ALL THOUGH. RIGHT. WELL, AND THAT BECOMES ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN TO THE GRADINGS BECAUSE IT IS NOW A GRAVEL SURFACE AND IT IS, IN FACT IT'S MORE THAN A GRAVEL SURFACE IN THE SENSE OF A LOT OF RAIN IS GOING TO HIT YOUR PANELS THEMSELVES. WHERE'S THAT WATER ALL GONNA GO? MM-HMM . AND FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, DRAINAGE IS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST THING FROM MY SIDE IS NOW THAT THIS WON'T BE VEGETATION, WHERE IS ALL THAT WATER GONNA END UP GOING? WE STILL HAVE, I MEAN THESE, HOW FAR APART ARE THE PANELS? ABOUT 13 INCHES. 13 INCHES EVEN ROW. I MEAN, WALKING DOWN BETWEEN THE ROWS, YOU CAN WALK DOWN BETWEEN THE ROWS. IT'S 13 AT 13 INCHES. CORRECT. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE, IT'S PRETTY, THEY'RE CLOSE END TOGETHER. THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. THEY'RE AT A VERY LIGHT ANGLE. IT'S A 10 DEGREE SLOPE LIKE THIS RATHER THAN TRADITIONAL PANELS ARE LIKE THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO THESE ARE A MUCH LIGHTER SLOPE AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY'RE NOT SHADING VERY FAR. THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE GROUND. UM, SO, AND I MEAN, I GUESS THAT, I MEAN IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GRADING, I GUESS I WOULD NOT ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPACTION AND HOW YOU'RE PUTTING IT DOWN. BUT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATING YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THE GRADING OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING GRADING? WE'RE PLANNING ON AS, AS MINIMAL SITE WORK AS AS WE CAN, UH, LOGISTICALLY DO BECAUSE WE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE EXPENSES BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE SITE INTEGRITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S THE REASON, LIKE ADAM WAS SAYING, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN A TRADITIONAL SOLAR SYSTEM. IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS SAME, UH, 300 AND UH, 64 KILOWATT SOLAR SYSTEM AND PUT IT ON TRADITIONAL PANELS, WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT A FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD COVER PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT ENTIRE PARCEL AND WE'RE ONLY USING ONE THIRD OF IT. UM, SO, AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE ROW SPACE, TRADITIONAL PANELS, YOU'RE TALKING 15 TO 20 FOOT BETWEEN PANELS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEARING OUT ALL THE TREES OFF THAT SITE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY TRUCKS ROLLING ALL OVER THE PLACE THAN WE WILL BE DOING ON THIS SPECIFIC AREA OF THE SITE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE, UH, SITE DAMAGE AND SITE, UH, AFFECTING, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLANT. SO IF THERE ARE, UM, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE GRADED, UH, AND, AND ONCE AGAIN I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE, I'VE WALKED IT WITH A FOREST THERE, IT IS VERY HARD TO SEE ALL OF THE UNDULATIONS AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE LEVELED OR WHAT MAY NEED TO BE GREATER OR WHATNOT. BUT THESE PANELS ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD TOLERANCE FOR SHIFTS IN, IN UM, GRADE IF NEED BE. I THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, THAT WE CAN SOLVE A LOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS WITH PROPERLY COMPACTING THE GRAVEL ON TOP OF THE GROUND AND NOT, YOU'RE HOPING TO CLEAR CUT THE TREES AND NOT REMOVE THE, THE ROOTS AND THE, AND THE WHATEVER. IT JUST, WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THE ROOTS OF STUMPS FROM THE AREA THE PANELS ARE SITTING ON TOP OF. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE ALL OF THE STUMPS IN THE AREA. WE'RE JUST CLEARING TO GET [01:05:01] RID OF THE SHADE. OKAY. SO YOU ARE CLEARING AND GRUBBING YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE DID HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CAME IN SINCE WE SUBMITTED ON FRIDAY, AND ONE OF 'EM WAS TO ADDRESS YOUR COUNTY'S QUESTION ABOUT PHASING, HOW IT'S GONNA PHASE. SO I BROUGHT IT WITH US TONIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'LL ACCEPT IT TO REVIEW. IT INCLUDES A NEGATIVE SHIPPO LETTER FOR FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, ADDRESSING THE PHASING AND THE TREE REMOVAL FOR THE PHASING AND, UM, THE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT AS WELL. SURE. SO, AND OUR, AND OUR PLAN TO, AS KELLY WAS SAYING, OUR PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE SITE IS ESSENTIALLY TO FIRST CLEAR THE AREA WHERE THE PANELS ARE GOING TO BE. WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT ALL THE STUMPS, WE'RE GOING TO PLACE THE GRAVEL PAD, COMPACT IT APPROPRIATELY LEVEL IT, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAND REMOVE WITH CHAINSAWS THE TREES IN THE AREA THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON SO THAT WE ARE NOT ROLLING TRUCKS OVER THAT AREA. WE'RE NOT LEAVING GIANT AND DENTS IN THE GROUND. WE'RE NOT AFFECTING GROUND OTHER THAN FOOTPRINTS. UM, WHEN WILL WE HAVE A TREE COUNT FROM, I'M SORRY? WHEN WILL WE HAVE A TREE COUNT AS TO THE NUMBER OF TREES YOU PLANT, FLAG TREES YOU PLANT ON TAKING OUT? UH, WHEN DO YOU WANT IT ? WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY AN AREA OF CONCERN FOR US. YEAH. JUST ADD TO YOUR RIGHT, YOUR DECOMMISSIONING PLAN. YOU'RE REPLANTING X AMOUNT OF TREES OF A CERTAIN SIZE ON THE, SHE WANTS COME IN HERE BEING TAKEN DOWN. RIGHT. TAKING DOWN. RIGHT. LIKE IF THEY'RE TAKING DOWN 500 TREES AND THEY TURN AND SAY THEY'LL REPLACE FIVE THEN'S A PROBLEM. SURE. UNDERSTOOD. IS THERE, IS THERE A KIND OF, SO I GUESS I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IS, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE TOWN DOES HAVE, I THINK OVER A QUARTER OF ACRE OF TREE CLEARING NEEDS TO SPECIFICALLY BE AUTHORIZED. WELL, ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH SITE PLAN YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. IF THEY WEREN'T, IF THEY DID NOT NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THEN IT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE CONSERVATION BOARD, AND YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE. NOW YOU GET INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD, BUT YES. BUT YOU ARE GONNA APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF TREES. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE PICTURE IS TAKEN. WELL, A AGAIN, YEAH. AND IT'S ALSO FROM THE ROAD, SO THEY GO BACK IN QUITE A BIT. RIGHT. I CAN'T SEE, I MEAN, I HAVE A, IT DEPENDS ON SPRING. I HAVE A LOT OF PHOTOS THAT WE'RE TAKING ON SITE TOO, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THOUGH. YEAH. IS WE, WE KEEP HEARING, THE GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE SITE. RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE GONNA GO IN AND YOU'RE GONNA CLEAR AND GRUB AN ACRE AND A HALF THAT IS CURRENTLY FORESTED. SO I THINK WE JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND WHAT AND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGED AND OFFSET WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT MATERIALS GONNA BE DISPOSED OF. IF IT'S GONNA BE HAULED OFFSITE. MM-HMM . GONNA HANDLE THAT. THAT WASTE, I DON'T PUT THE PRESSURE ON CAMMI, BUT CAMMY MIGHT, SOME OF MY CIVIL ENGINEERS ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THESE, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE WHEN IT MOUNTS ON THE GROUND LIKE THAT. DOES IT, DOES IT IMPACT, DOES IT, YOU KNOW, THE THEORY IS THEY, IT ROLLS OFF THE PANELS AND IT GOES WHAT'S BELOW THE PANELS AND ADJOINING THE PANELS. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE BELOW THE PANELS ANYMORE. YOU ONLY HAVE WHAT'S ADJACENT AND THERE'S ONLY 16 INCHES BETWEEN THEM. 13. 13. YEAH. BUT, AND, AND THE GRAVEL IS NOT CONSIDERED PER PERVIOUS IN THE SAME WAY THAT OTHER THINGS ARE. AND THAT CAUSES RUNOFF CONCERNS FOR US IN THE VOLUMES OF FLOW. THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS I LOOK, SO ON THE SECTION THAT SAYS, UH, AREA UNDER PANELS TWO FENCE, IT SAYS FOUR INCH CRUSH, STONE PERMEABLE. IT'S IN A WORD THAT'S REALLY EASY TO PUT ON A PLAN, BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PERMEABLE IT? AND SO YOU, YOU'RE TELLING ME FOUR INCH CRUSHED STONE, IS IT A STONE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO CREATE VOIDS THAT'S QUALIFIED AS PERMEABLE OR, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST USE STANDARD GRAVEL. STANDARD GRAVEL IS NOT CONSIDERED A PERMEABLE SURFACE ACCORDING TO STORMWATER AND, AND SO ON. SO IT DOES CHANGE. I MEAN, IT, IT'S EITHER DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS OR SOMETHING TO SHOW ME HOW THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED. BECAUSE JUST TELLING ME FOUR INCHES IS CRUSHED STONE PERMEABLE. I, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. CRUSHED STONE IS NOT PERMEABLE UNLESS IT'S SPECIFIC TYPES OF STONE THAT IS DESIGNATED AS A PERMEABLE MATERIAL. OKAY. SO IT, IT, TO ME, THIS IS, THIS IS GRAVEL, THIS IS A GRAVEL AREA. SO NOW I HAVE WHAT'S LIKE 0.95 OF GRAVEL. SO RUNOFF FROM THAT COMPARED TO EXISTING CONDITION IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. IT'S GONNA BE INCREASED. SO WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING AND HOW IS IT GOING TO BE HANDLED? NOW THIS IS, I'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT TREE CLEARING AREA AND I WANNA MAKE SURE, AND I I DON'T MEAN TO CORRECT CAITLYN, 'CAUSE YOU SAID ONE, ONE AND A HALF ACRES OF CLEARING AND GRUBBING, THAT'S NOT TRUE. RIGHT. IT IS 0.95 OF CLEARING AND GRING AND THEN AT REMAINING ABOUT 0.5 ACRES IS TREE CLEARING ONLY NEW GROWING. RIGHT. BECAUSE AS HE SAID, THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND THEY'RE GONNA CUT THESE TREES DOWN WITH CHAINSAWS LEAVING THE ROOT SYSTEM, LEAVING THE STUMPS, THEY, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO 'EM [01:10:01] ABOUT TRYING TO STAY OUT OF IT WHEN IT'S WET, NOT LEAVING RUTS, NOT RUNNING MACHINERY AROUND IT. BECAUSE IF THEY CROSS INTO THAT ONE ACRE OF DISTURBANCE THAT KICKS IN SPEEDY'S PERMIT AND STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN AND EVERYTHING GOES ALONG WITH THAT. SO THEY HAVE TO DO, THEY NEED A CONTRACTOR WHO'S GOING TO DO THIS SORT OF SURGICALLY AND NOT JUST GO IN AND BULL DOSE THROUGH THE PLACE. I GUESS THE QUESTION THEN WOULD BE, HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU NEED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FENCE FROM THE FENCE INSTALL? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THE 0.95 IS INSIDE THE FENCE INSTALL. AND CAN THE FENCE ENTIRELY BE INSTALLED FROM WITHIN INSIDE THE FENCE OR IF THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO GO ON A PERIMETER OUTSIDE THE 0.9 WE TALKED DELINEATING THOSE TWO AREAS. I WANT, I, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STOP BY THE SITE AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS THAT 0.95 AND WHAT IS UP TO THAT 1.5 AND NOTHING BEYOND THAT. SO WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION FENCE, SILT SOCKS, SILT FENCE, SOME WAY TO DELINEATE THOSE TWO BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR CANNOT CONTROL WHAT EVERY ONE OF HIS GUYS ON MAYBE AN EXCAVATOR OR A BULLDOZER OR SOMETHING GOING AROUND. HE, HE CAN'T HAVE HIS EYES ON HIM ALL THE TIME. AND I'VE, I'VE HAD SITES UNRELATED TO SOLAR PANELS WHERE A CONTRACTOR HAS GOTTEN OVERZEALOUS AND WHEN THE SITE SAYS IT IS 0.9 SOMETHING, IF IT GOES OVER THAT ONE ACRE, I CAN IMMEDIATELY STOP, I'LL WORK AT THE SITE AND MAKE THEM GO BACK AND GET A SPEEDY'S PERMIT AND A STORMWATER PLANT. AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT. SO I WANT CLEARLY SEE ON SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION A DELINEATION OF WHAT AREAS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO FULLY GROW, WHAT AREAS IS TREE CLEARING ONLY, AND WE'RE GONNA WATCH FOR DISTURBANCE THAT IS CONSIDERED BEYOND JUST CLEARING TREES. SO THAT'S THIS CONVERSATION I'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH VIA EMAIL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, AND AND I CAN SUMMARIZE THAT IN FUTURE LETTERS. SO THE PLAN BOARD HAS AN UNDERSTANDING, BUT THANK YOU YOU, IT IT'S A LITTLE MORE UNDER THEIR SITE WORK PERMIT THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUES THAT WE KEEP AN EYE ON THAT KIND OF THING BECAUSE IT'S CONSTRUCTION METHOD, NOT, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA SEE IT, UH, ON A SITE PLAN. SO I GUESS THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, SO IF THEY ARE CLEARING BY HAND, NOT MECHANIZED CLEARING THIS EXTERNAL 0.55 OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT ADDS UP, THAT NEEDS TO BE THEN STABILIZED, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE STA SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS SO IF THEY CUT THE TREES DOWN, IS THAT AREA THEN GONNA BE MORE PRONE TO EROSION EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE HAND CLEARING IT? IS THERE ENOUGH VEGETATION THAT'S STILL GONNA STABILIZE THAT PERIMETER AROUND IT? WELL, THE, THE THEORY IS IT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURALLY VEGETATED AND LET'S SAY LIKE A LAWN. IT, IT SHOULD STAY BECAUSE THE ROOT SYSTEM IS STILL THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY KEEPS THE GROUND TOGETHER. IT, IT'S NOT THE TRUNK AND YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE TREE ITSELF. IT'S THE ROOT SYSTEM AND THE STUMP. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO CUT DOWN A TREE IN YOUR OWN YARD, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE CUT THE TREE DOWN AND LEAVE THE STUMP THERE AND THEN THE ROOT SYSTEM AROUND IT, THERE'S USUALLY NOT DISTURBANCE UNLESS THE EQUIPMENT HAS CREATED SOME KIND OF TRACKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MOWING OF THAT. SO I HAVEN'T REVIEWED ALL THE O AND M PLAN YET, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE MOWING IN THE AREA OUTSIDE THE FENCE TO PREVENT TREES FROM GROWING OVER THE 25 YEAR? IS THERE LIKE A PERIODIC MOWING PLAN OR IS STUFF JUST GONNA BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO REVEGETATE NATURALLY OUTSIDE THE FENCE OVER THE LENGTH OF THE FACILITY? , I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A PERIODIC MOWING PLAN. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS STATED IN THE, IN THE OM PLAN AS WELL, THAT THERE IS. UM, AND WE DO INTEND TO LEAVE THE, UH, THE VEGETATION TO AN EXTENT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE, EXCEPT THAT WE CANNOT LET IT GROW OVER A CERTAIN HEIGHT OR ELSE IT'LL SHAPE THE SOLAR GAS. SO THAT'S THE POINT OF REMOVING THE TREES. WE DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREES DOWN TO ANKLE LEVEL. WE CAN REMOVE THE TREES LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, WASTE LEVEL OR WHATEVER. I, I MEAN, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE STONE, RIGHT? STONE IS JUST LIKE, WELL IF YOU LEAVE HIM AT WAIST HEIGHT, THAT'S GONNA IMPEDE HOW YOU CAN GO IN AND DO YOUR MAINTENANCE. I GUESS THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION IS, IS HOWEVER YOU'RE MAINTAINING IT, IT, I THINK LEAVING AN ANKLE HEIGHTS GONNA IMPEDE THAT TOO. LEAVING THE STUMPS IN GENERAL IS GOING TO IMPEDE THAT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HAND MAINTENANCE ON THIS SITE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF MECHANIZED MAINTENANCE BECAUSE, UH, THERE WON'T BE THE OPPORTUNITY. THERE ARE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW STUMPS. UM, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT ANYWAY. WE DON'T WANNA DISTURB THAT AREA. SO, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MANUAL MAINTENANCE ON THAT SITE TO KEEP THOSE, TO KEEP THE VEGETATION DOWN. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOUR, IN YOUR INTENT IS TO OWN AND TO OPERATE THIS FOR THE LIFE OF THE FACILITY OR YOU TRANSIT OR WELL, SO THIS BE TRANSFERRED MEANS MY VENTURES, CORRECT? YES. YEAH, WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIRECTLY TIED TO, I THINK WE, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE DIRECTLY TIED TO, UH, REAL ESTATE PROJECTS THAT WE ALSO OWN IN THE AREA. AND THOSE THINGS ARE CONNECTED AND [01:15:01] OPERATED. SO YOU'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE ALRIGHT. LOTS OF CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING ISSUES. ANYTHING. THANK YOU TAMMY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY BIG QUESTIONS THAT YOU ANSWERED THERE. CAN I, CAN I HELP? SO BASICALLY WE DID THE CHECKLIST FOR SUBMITTAL. WE'VE NOTICED A FEW THINGS THAT WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON. A LOT OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW ARE RELATED TO SEEKER. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION. YES. OBVIOUSLY CAMMY'S GONNA HAVE TO HELP YOU WITH DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. UH, WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF TREES THAT RELATE TO, UH, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, AESTHETICS, IMPACT, AND ALSO OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. WHEN YOU MOVE TREES, UH, WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE ISSUE OF ARE YOU GUYS, WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION DO YOU NEED? ALWAYS A BIG ISSUE. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THESE PANELS ARE THIS HIGH AND NOT, AND NOT EIGHT OR 10, 10 15 FEET OFF THE GROUND, STILL HAVE A SEVEN FOOT FENCE. IS THIS JUST GONNA BE A CHAIN LENGTH FENCE? CORRECT. I FORGET CHAIN LENGTH FENCE, NO BAR. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THEN THE ISSUE THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME IS VISUAL IMPACTS OF THIS. UM, IT'S BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD. WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU NEED? WE'VE ASKED FOR ONE THING. WHAT ARE THE TYPE OF TREES THAT WE REMOVED? WHAT'S BEING MOLES? MM-HMM . AND YOU KNOW, AND SARAH'S RAISED THE CONCERN ABOUT, OR JUST MOST OF 'EM ARE DECIDUOUS. IS THIS GONNA BE VIEWED AGAIN? IT'S GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER, WHEN YOU SAY VIEWED, USUALLY HAVE, I SEE VISUALIZATIONS ALL THE TIME AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANELS, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE PANELS ON ROUTE 90. AS YOU GO TO ROCHESTER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY'RE RIGHT UP TO THE THROUGHWAY THERE. THEY HAVE A VISUAL IMPACT. SO I THINK MEGAN, MEGAN ALSO ASKED HOW MANY TREES, RIGHT? HOW MANY TREES ARE BEING AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN FOR RE REPLANTING AND THEN SPEC SPECIFICALLY ADDING THE HOW YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE GRAVEL FROM THE, FROM THE SITE. MM-HMM . WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS INFORMATION. I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A A PART TWO DONE YET FOR YOU, BUT YOU NEED THE WETLAND LETTER. THE WETLANDS WE'RE WAITING FOR. THE NOISE WE'RE WAITING FOR. UM, THEY, THEY SUBMITTED TO FAA. RIGHT? THAT WAS THE O UM, IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. RIGHT. UH, WE, I'M TRYING TO THINK. THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE. WE, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT USUALLY COME UP ON, AND IT'S NOT ONLY DRAINAGE AFTER CONSTRUCTED, BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE TYPICALLY IS DURING CONSTRUCTION. MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A GREAT EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLANT. BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF BIG PROBLEMS WITH THE STANDARD SOLAR INSTALLATION. ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU CAN THINK OF? THERE'S, IT'S NOT ARCHEOLOGICAL. I MEAN THEY PICKED A GOOD SITE. I LOOKED AT THE F THE MAPPER AND THEN REALLY NOT A LOT POPS UP ON THE MAP OTHER THAN THE WETLANDS AND THE REMEDIATION REMEDIATION SITE, WHICH YOU'VE NOTED. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ANSWERED WAS NO. SO NOTHING POPS UP, WHICH I'M SURPRISED USUALLY WE GET ARCHEOLOGICAL AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET SHINE OFF FROM SHIP BOAT. WE HAVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. YOU HAVE THE, YEAH, I BROUGHT THAT TONIGHT. WE DIDN'T GET . RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE LETTER OF NO IMPACT NO FROM CHIP UP. SO YOU PUT THEM ON CHRIS. UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER ISSUES. ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT? I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO THE CAB TO GET THEIR INPUT. THEY'LL PROBABLY WANNA WALK THE SITE AND COMMENT. UM, AND THEN WHATEVER, WHATEVER CAMMY NEEDS TO DOCUMENT THAT. WE DON'T NEED OTHER STORMWATER CONTROLS ON THE SITE. YEAH. AND SITE PLAN SO THAT THE WHATEVER AT THE LEVEL THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR OUR SITE PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE. WE NEED THAT FOR, FOR CAMMIE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU NEED NOW AND WHAT YOU NEED LATER. SO YEAH, I MEAN, UH, THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN IS, IS OFTEN MORE OF AN A FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, MORE OF MY FULL ENGINEERING REVIEW FOLLOWING SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, BUT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT A PHASING PLAN MM-HMM . OR SOMETHING. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING SHOULD BE SENT TO ME. WE, IT'S BEEN, IT'S IN THE PACKET THAT I BROUGHT TONIGHT. OKAY. SO AND THEN YOU NEED THE BACKUP FOR THE, WE ANSWERED A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS IN THE PLENTY HOW THEY'RE DOING IT AS PERMEABLE. RIGHT. THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IF IT'S PERMEABLE OR A REEVALUATION OF IT AS IMPERMEABLE, LIKE A TYPICAL YEP. THIS IS SOMEWHAT, YOU SAW IN SOMEWHAT OF A HIGH GROUNDWATER, I THINK IT WAS TWO FEET. SO IT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A HIGH GROUND. AT LEAST IT'S NOT AT THE SURFACE. IT IS A HIGH GROUNDWATER AREA. UM, SO THE LAST THING I HAVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD BIT OF INFORMATION. I THINK WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU WANT CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING OR HOW OR DO WE WANT THE GO FIRST CALL FORWARD ON THE FIRST FOR THE 15TH OF ONE? WELL, WE, WE SENT OUT THE COORDINATED REVIEW LAST TUESDAY. YES. YEAH. SO THE NINTH, SO THE 30 15TH OF DECEMBER. RIGHT. WHICH [01:20:01] IS OUR NEXT MEETING. RIGHT? WELL OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE 1ST OF DECEMBER. I MADE THE, THE SECOND FIRST. YEAH. THE 15TH. YEAH. YOU CAN HOLD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THAT 30 DAY PROCESS IS COMPLETE. YEAH, WE CAN, SECRET LAW SAYS MAKE SURE YOU GET PUBLIC INPUT. I MEAN, DO WE CONSIDER THE APPLICATION COMPLETE, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION RIGHT? DO WE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE APPLICATION BEFORE WE DO IT? IF YOU'RE ASKING ME IS, IS THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE? DO WE NEED CLARIFICATION? I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH IN MY OPINION. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. IT IS A FAIRLY, FAIRLY GOOD DETAIL OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THE SITE. WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC KNOWS OF OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE OF A CONCERN IN THAT AREA THAT WE NEED TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS. THINK IT DOES, DOES THIS, IF WE HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING, DOES THAT TRIGGER LIKE THE 62 DAYS OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE TIME CLOCK IS, IF WE THINK THE APPLICATION'S COMPLETE, NO, REMEMBER SEEKER SUN BEACH DECISION, NO REGULATORY TIMEFRAME START TO RUN UNTIL YOU ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. SO, OKAY. YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT FORCED UNTIL YOU MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION. I WOULD WARN PEOPLE, ONCE YOU MAKE A SECRET DECISION, ALL THOSE REGULATORY TIMEFRAMES ARE IN PLACE UNTIL YOU'VE MADE ANY TYPE OF ACTUAL DECISION. SO PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AND YOU CAN LEAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF YOU WANT. THAT'S TRUE TOO. WE'VE DONE THAT. ALRIGHT. SO MOST OF THE STUFF YOU SAY YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ANSWERED. SO I GUESS YOU WANTED PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER 1ST. IS THAT, SO I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST FOR BUFFALO SOLAR. SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, A SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CLARIFICATION. WE WON'T HAVE MEETING MINUTES. SO I NOTICED. GOOD. SO I, I'VE SENT HER THE DRAFT WHEN I GOT 'EM DONE. MM-HMM . JUST SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT YOU GUYS, SO WE, THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE IN BY FRIDAY, FOLLOWING FRIDAY. WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. IF THERE'S ANY RESIDENTS HERE, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. SO YOU HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION. SARAH HAS THE PLANS ON FILE, DEVELOP YOUR QUESTIONS OKAY. FOR HEARING. SO THE 23RD SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE 20. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT. ALRIGHT, READY? SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ECHO PARK AUTOMOTIVE REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF A REQUEST FOR INCENTIVE ZONING TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 3 7 0 1 MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND REOPEN IT AS AN ECHO PARK USED CAR DELIVERY CENTER. SO I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT BY DECEMBER 1ST OR ON DECEMBER 1ST. MEANING DO WE HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TODAY OR, BECAUSE THE DEADLINE'S DECEMBER 1ST, WE HAVE A MEETING DECEMBER 1ST REPORT, 40 DAYS OF RECEIPT, I WOULD SAY ON DECEMBER 1ST. BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK BASICALLY CORRECT. DREW IS THIS WORD EXACTLY WHEN WE FIRST DID IT, WE CALCULATED THE FACT THAT IF YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON DECEMBER 1ST, YOU WERE WITHIN THE 40 DAY REQUIREMENT. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION. THAT'S MY EXACT QUESTION. PHRASING OF THIS. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT WE WERE WITHIN, THAT'S WHY I SAID IN MY FIRST MEMO IN THIS MEMO, IF YOU MAKE A DECISION ON DECEMBER 1ST, YOU'VE MET THE CRITERIA OF GETTING YOUR REPORT TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO I'LL ALSO DOUBLE CHECK EXACTLY. AND IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, I PUT TOGETHER, I TOOK THE FIRST ONE I DID AND I CHANGED THIS INTO A REPORT. AND BASICALLY YOU CAN JUST USE THIS AS YOUR FORMAT OF YOUR REPORT AT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, CONDITIONS, WHATEVER. YOU CAN BEGIN TO BUILD THIS REPORT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT. I JUST TOOK THE, REMEMBER I TOOK THE LAW THE FIRST TIME I MADE IT A CHECKLIST. WELL THEN I CONVERTED THE LAW INTO A, A KIND OF A REPORT THAT YOU CAN ISSUE TO THE TOWN BOARD. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS AT THE WORK SESSION, I THINK CAITLYN BROUGHT UP PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND MEGAN BROUGHT UP, UH, IMPROVEMENTS FOR TRAFFIC FLOW. DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT EITHER OF THOSE DIRECTIONS? SURE, YEAH. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, UH, I'M JOHN RUSS AND I'M MY COLLEAGUE WHITNEY LEAH [01:25:01] LANIER. AND WE ARE WITH ECHO PARK BASED OUTTA CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. UH, SO IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE, NUMBER ONE. AND, UH, JOSH E WAS HERE AT YOUR WORKING GROUP SESSION FOR THE, FOR THE LAST GROUP. AND HE DID COME BACK AND, AND WE MET, I HAD A PARK CORPORATE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND JOSH IS MORE ON THE CONSTRUCTION FACILITY SIDE IF YOU'LL, SO I'M MORE OF THE, I'M MORE OF THE DIRT REAL ESTATE GUY. HE'S MORE OF THE CONSTRUCTION GUY. UH, BUT IN ANY EVENT, WE DID DISCUSS THE, THE, THE, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT, UH, UH, REQUEST. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, FULLY SUPPORT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, LEAH IS ON OUR PARKS AND REX BOARD IN MECKLENBURG COUNTY IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. SO SHE THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED LIKE A GREAT IDEA. BUT YES, WE'RE, WE ARE, UH, WE DROVE BY THE PARK THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE WE CAME OVER HERE. UH, AND, AND AS A, AS A LITTLE LEAGUE COACH MYSELF FOR, FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, WE, WE WE'D, UH, BE CERTAINLY FINE WITH THAT AS ONE OF THE AMENITIES CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS, UH, AND UPGRADE OF THAT FACILITY. YOU MUST DEALT, YOU TALKED TO MARTY? JOSH DID. HE'S THE PARKS DIRECT BECAUSE I SAW YES MA'AM. WE HAVE, I SAW, UM, MARTY AT A DEPARTMENT MEETING. HE SAID HE WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. OKAY. RECENT ACTION BY THE TOWN BOARD. I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE. WE TOOK THE WHOLE AREA. NOT ONLY THE THE ACTIVE RECREATION AREA, BUT THE PASSIVE RECREATION AND REZONED AT THE PARK RECREATION BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS WERE WORRIED. RIGHT. THAT I KNOW WHEN THE MALL GOT REDEVELOPED THAT THEY WOULD SELL THAT LAND AND THERE'D BE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. AND SO THE TOWN DID ANOTHER LEVEL OF SECURITY OF SAYING THIS IS NOW ZONE PARK RECREATION. IT'S NOT ZONE COMMERCIALS, NOT IT'S ALL PARK RECREATION. SO I THINK THE TOWN IS INVESTING THINK JUST CONTRIBUTING MONEY MARTY. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT MONEY THEN THERE'S A WAY FOR THAT TO GET EARMARKED WITH THE TA. I MEAN WHATEVER TO MAR TO MARTY. IT WOULD GO TO MARTY FOR SOME SORT OF THAT PART. ANY ANYBODY THAT COMES TO RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT HAS TO GO IN A TRUSTED AGENCY WITH A SPECIFIC PURPOSE IN MIND. SO THE TOWN BOARD WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY, PUT IT IN A TRUSTED AGENCY ACCOUNT, SAYING SPECIFICALLY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THAT PART. OKAY. SO THAT MONEY CAN'T BE REUSED FOR ANYTHING ELSE. DO A GENERAL PROJECT NOT USED FOR THAT. YOU TAKE MONEY, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT YOU'RE SETTING THE MONEY ASIDE FOR SPECIFIC. SO THEN I'M THINKING MAYBE YOU HAD OF PUTTING A CAR BEFORE THE HORSE. IF THAT DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT DEVELOPMENT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT MONEY? THEY DON'T GIVE IT TO US. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA GIVE, WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T REFUND BACK? NO. ONCE, ONCE THEY GIVE IT TO US AND WE JUST DON'T OH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY GIVE THE MONEY, RIGHT. AND IT GOES IN ACCOUNT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TOWN DECIDES THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PARK. WELL I THINK THE TOWN HAS, I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE THE . THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH A LEGAL PROCESS TO THEN SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO IT RELATED TO THAT TO SOME OTHER PARK. CAN'T JUST USE, THAT'S GONNA, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT'S HAPPENED IN THE YEAR BEFORE OR DESIGNATED MONEY WENT TO PLACES. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE PROMISE DEVELOPMENT, THEY DIDN'T DO IT. WHERE'D THE MONEY GO? MM-HMM . RIGHT. GOT IT. AND ON BOTH ENDS SURE. YOU YOU WOULD GIVE IT TO US. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND RIGHT. BUT WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE WAS INTENDED. I DO THINK THAT THE, THE ADDED BENEFIT OF DOING IT THAT WAY ON, ON YOUR SIDE OF IT BEING ON THE, THE COACHING SIDE OF IT IS THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU CAN OPEN THAT PARK BACK UP AND HAVE NICE FIELDS OF HOSTING TOURNAMENTS GOING FORWARD. CORRECT. WHICH OBVIOUSLY INCREASES, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU MORE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE REVENUE ON AN ONGOING BASIS. SO ENOUGH PARKING THERE FOR IT. RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING THERE FOR IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMEONE A FISH VERSUS TEACH 'EM HOW TO FISH TYPE. THAT'S RIGHT. EXACTLY. YOU GET ONGOING REVENUE WITH IT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, AND WE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL TOO AND PARTNER WITH THOSE AND SO FORTH. SO YOU JUST TELL MARTY YOU WANNA COME AND TAKE A PICTURE IN FRONT OF THE UH, . RIGHT? WELL WE NOTICED THAT THE BUILDING WAS, WAS BLUE. MAYBE IT COULD BE WE WOULD HELP PAINT IT, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT COLOR. MAKE ME AN ECHO PARK GREEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. . OH THERE YOU GO. YEAH. ECHO PARK STAYED, IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE. THERE'S WITH THAT MORE AFFORDABLE THAN N AND THERE WAS A SECOND PART TO YOUR QUESTION RIGHT. WAS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC CHANGES WAS YEAH, I, I, I, THAT WAS NOT RELAYED TO ME AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CONCERN IS THERE. IT'S A E EXISTING FACILITY, THE FORMER PIER ONE, THE VACANT TO PIER ONE. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE RING ROAD RIGHT THERE AND THE ENTRANCE DIRECTLY INTO WHAT WOULD BE OUR FACILITY. I WAS NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ON TRAFFIC FLOW THERE. I I WILL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S NOT A USED CAR LOT SO IT'S A DELIVERY CENTER. RIGHT. AND AS FAR AS CUSTOMER GUEST VISITS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD EXPECT IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FOUR, EIGHT VISITS A DAY. SO IT WOULD BE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC FLOW THAN YOU WOULD'VE HAD I ASSUME WITH THE PIER ONE HISTORICALLY THERE TOO. I THINK WE WERE MORE CONCERNED INITIALLY BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA PULL INTO THE BACK OF THE PIER ONE TO UNLOAD. AND IF YOU'RE, UM, WHATEVER YOUR, YOUR MANAGEMENT FOR BRINGING THE TRUCK OR THE CARS IN MEGAN, DO YOU WANNA SHOW THEM? YEAH. WHERE, WHERE [01:30:01] THAT IS THE CONCERN IS THAT WHEN IT COMES IN BACK HERE RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BLOCK OFF ALL OF THIS AND WHEN IT COMES IN, IT WILL BLOCK AS YOU'RE UNLOADING. IT'S GONNA BLOCK THIS ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT. WE JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE, THE, THE 12 FOOT DISTANCE THERE. THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL CAR HAULER. THIS IS A A RIGHT. THEY TOLD US THAT THAT OKAY IT'S JUST AN F TWO. IT'S JUST AN F TWO 50 WITH THE TRAILER ON. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO IF THEY'RE UNLOADING BACK HERE, IT'S GONNA MAKE THESE SPOTS UNUSABLE WHILE THEY'RE UNLOADING. WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE. IF YOU HAVE 12 FEET OF CLEARANCE HERE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A PARKING LOT WHERE SOMEONE CAN BACK OUT WITH THAT NORMAL 12 FOOT CLEARANCE TO GO. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE COMING OFF HERE AND THEN GOING INTO THIS. SO IT'S LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TWO SETS OF TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE SET UP FOR A SUCCESSFUL VENTURE. SURE. SO YOU HAD SOMEWHERE SAFE TO UNLOAD THE CARS. MM-HMM . NOT IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THIS AREA BECAUSE THIS LITTLE STRIP OF RETAIL SPACE HERE IS ACTIVELY BEING USED. SURE. AND LAST TIME I WAS THERE IT WAS COMPLETELY FULL. THERE WEREN'T TAKEN STOREFRONTS IN THERE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL AND THAT HAD SUGGESTED PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE A PLAN OF USING THIS VACANT LOT OVER HERE IF YOU NEEDED TO DURING BUSIER TIMES, SAY THE HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SUCCESSFULLY UNLOAD YOUR MERCHANDISE WITHOUT IMPEDING THE TRAFFIC FLOW COMING IN AND OUT OF HERE. WELL WE DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO IMPEDE ANY TRAFFIC FLOW ON THAT. RIGHT. THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANNA DO AS FAR AS EVEN JUST BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR THERE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM IS THERE A CROSSWALK THERE? HM. NO. IS THERE A CROSSWALK TO THE OTHER LOT THERE? NO. ACROSS MCKINNEY? NO. ACROSS THE RING ROAD. RING ROAD. RING ROAD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE BE ANYWHERE WHILE I'M THERE. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I DID TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN, UH, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT, I HAD PUT IN THERE THAT WE ALSO ASKED FOR MAYBE SOME LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS ALONG MCKINNEY. 'CAUSE IT IS FAIRLY SPARK IN THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING. MM-HMM . THEY'RE GONNA RENOVATE THAT BUILDING. BUT I THINK IT'D BE NICE TO DO SOME PLANNING ALONG THAT SIDE AGAIN TO, TO FIX THE ERRORS OF THE PAST WHEN WE FIRST FRONTAGE THOSE, THOSE COMMERCIAL USES AND PUT A FIRM THERE. LOOKS AWFUL. HE I'M SURE ALSO WANTS IT TO LOOK NICE SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY THEY CAN SEE UM, ALONG THE KINLEY RIGHT ALONG ALONG THE KINLEY. YEAH. YOU WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL CAR THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE DRIVEN OUT AND ALSO LOOK AT YOUR BUILDING AND SAY, MY ISN'T THAT NICE THEN? AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RENDERINGS, THAT'S ONE MISTAKE I WOULD SAY IN THE RENDERINGS THERE IS THAT THEY HAVE THE EXISTING VEGETATION STILL SHOWING THERE. RIGHT. I MEAN, NOT EVEN MAINTAINED OR TRIMMED UP. AND YOU ARE CORRECT. WE, WE ARE A SPECIALTY RETAILER SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT THAT INVITING APPEARANCE AND THERE'S ALSO, THERE IS LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. BUT WE CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THAT BETTER AND, AND, AND GO FROM THERE. BUT IF YOU ARE DISCUSSING FROM THE MC, THE VIEW FROM MCKINLEY ROAD UP OVER THE BERM TO THE, TO THE FACILITY, YES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE WE, UH, BEAUTIFY A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU WILL. SO DREW ON PROCESS. SO IF THEY GET, UM, APPROVED TO GO THROUGH THE INCENTIVE ZONING PROCESS BY THE TOWN BOARD, THEY COME BACK TO US FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES, THEY DO. YES. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE SPECIFICS OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA FOCUS ON THE INCENTIVES. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA SAY DO THEY MEET THE INTENT OF THE LAW? AND AS I PUT IN, IN THE SUMMARY OF THE REPORT, THEY'VE ADDED TO THOSE INCENTIVES. THE INCENTIVES THEY, THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WERE JOBS AND TAXES. WE THOUGHT THAT'S FINE. IT'S SIX JOBS OR EIGHT JOBS IN STANDARD TAXES. IT'S REALLY RETAIL TAXES. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SALES TAXES, REVENUE, ERIE COUNTY. IT'S NOT AS GREAT FOR FOR SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES. UM, BUT THEN NOW THEY'VE PROPOSED A DONATION OF MONEY FOR THE PARKS, WHICH WAS A, A SPECIFIC INCENTIVE THAT WAS ALLOWED. AND THEN LANDSCAPING AND AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE BUILDING HOPEFULLY. AND AGAIN YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME INPUT TO THE DOWN BOARD. YOU THINK THAT THE, THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK BETTER. AND I'VE SUGGESTED SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG MCKINLEY. UH, 'CAUSE IF YOU GO OUT THERE NOW, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY SPARSE. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ON THAT SIDE. WOULD WE JUST BE GENERIC AT THIS POINT WITH LANDSCAPING ALONG MCKINLEY LANDSCAPING HERE AND THERE AND WHEN THEY COME BACK GET MORE SPECIFIC. SO YEAH, ROLE RIGHT NOW IS ESSENTIALLY TO CONFIRM WHETHER THERE THIS PROJECT MEETS THE, IS ADEQUATE TO MEET THE FACTORS OF INCENTIVE ZONING. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO SARAH'S CRAFT YOU CAN MAKE MORE CONCERN. WOULDN'T THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE THE PLAN USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS CONFIRMING. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS WE PUT IN THE MINUTES AND WE PUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH WORKING WITH US ON LANDSCAPING. MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION ABSOLUTELY. WE DO IT ON EVERY PROJECT. THE OTHER QUESTION I GUESS I'M ASKING, I WOULD WANNA ASK IS THE PARCEL BOUNDARY FOR THIS IS THIS RED LINE RIGHT ON THIS [01:35:01] THAT, THAT IS THE ENTIRE, THAT'S THE ENTIRE PARCEL. JUST TO BE CLEAR. AND WE ARE LEASING, LEASING FROM THAT OWNER, JUST THE PIER ONE FACILITY AND AND THE LOT LINES WE'RE GONNA BE LEASING OR IF YOU WERE PURCHAS THAT'S PURCHASING THE PARCEL. OR IF WE WERE SUBDIVIDING, WE, WE FELT LIKE WE HAD TO SHOW THE ENTIRE PARCEL. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE LEGAL OWNER OR THE WHOLE PARCEL. BUT WE'RE ONLY, OUR, OUR REQUEST IS SPECIFIC TO THE PIER ONE FACILITY IN YOUR LEASE IT'S GONNA BE A LEASE. I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ON THE RECORD, I THINK MEGAN WAS GETTING TO IT AND WE GOT TO IT THE FIRST MEETING IS THAT IF THIS WAS JUST A STANDARD USE CAR LOT, THIS IS NOT WHAT THE TOWN OF VISION WOULD CREATE OTHER PROBLEMS AT THE MALL AND WHATEVER WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS, THAT THIS IS REALLY NOT. AND IF IT WAS A LAST MEETING, UH, WHO WAS IT? WAS IT, WAS IT DENNIS? WAS DENNIS COMPLAINING THAT WELL THIS IS REALLY NOT A USED CAR LOT. WHY? WHY CAN'T THEY JUST GET APPROVAL OF IT? WELL TECHNICALLY THE TOWN CAN ONLY DEFINE IT AS A USED CAR LOT. IT'S THE SELLING VEHICLE, MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. YEAH. BUT IT IS VERY UNIQUE. SO WE WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD THAT IT'S VERY UNIQUE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ENCOURAGING USED CARS, NEW CAR LOTS AT THE MCKINLEY MALL. THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROPOSAL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE LARGE PARKING AREAS. LOTS OF LARGE, LARGE TRUCKS AND WHATEVER MOVING IN NOW CAUSING A PROBLEM TO THE REDEVELOPMENT MCKINLEY MALL. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A RETAIL USE IS WHAT IT'S, IT WE, WE CONSIDER OUR SPOUSE OURSELVES SPECIALTY RETAIL AND IF EVERYONE KNOWS CARVANA RIGHT. WHERE THEY PUT A CAR ON THE TRUCK IN THE DRIVE THROUGH DRIVEWAY, WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF HOW THAT DELIVERY SHOULD WORK. AND WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGH SURVEYS DON'T WANT A TRUCK COMING TO THEIR RESIDENCE TO DELIVER THEIR VEHICLE. AND THEY WOULD MUCH PREFER A RETAIL LOCATION THAT'S TYPICAL OF, OF A MALL AREA LIKE THIS WHERE THEY CAN GO DRIVE 15 MINUTES AND AND PICK THE CAR UP. IT'S NOT AS THOUGH YOU HAVE TO GO AND TAKE A FINAL LOOK AT IT AND SAY SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS. I DON'T WANT IT. INSTEAD OF DEALING THAT'S WITH THE GUY WHO'S DELIVERING IT TO YOUR HOUSE AND SAYING, UH, TAKE THIS AWAY. THAT'S RIGHT. IT DOESN'T WORK REAL WELL. RIGHT. YOU MENTIONED THE SIX EMPLOYEES IN THERE. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I SAID WE DON'T WANT TO BE SAYING THAT HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WOULD GO WELL. BUT IT IS RETAIL. WE, WE CONSIDER MCKINLEY MALL GOING, HAVING RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT THERE. SO, UM, SO AGAIN, I'VE STARTED TO PUT YOUR REPORT TOGETHER. I'M ASSUMING TONIGHT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF IT. AND YOU GUYS, I CAN SEND YOU AN ELECTRONIC VERSION. I THINK I DID START MARKING THAT UP AND IT'S GONNA BE YOUR REPORT FOR THE TOWN BOARD SO THEY CAN CALL THEIR PUBLIC HEARING. I BELIEVE THE PROCESS WOULD BE DECEMBER 1ST IF YOU MADE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH YOU HAVE TO, AND WE'LL GO TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THEIR NEXT MEETING, THEY WOULD CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SQUEEZE IT IN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. IT WOULD BE THEIR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE SCHEDULE. I DUNNO. SO OUR REPORT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A DONATION FOR THE PARK. WE WOULD JUST KIND OF MENTION THAT VAGUELY. AND THE TOWN BOARD WOULD NEGOTIATE THE NEGOTIATE ACTUAL AMOUNT. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THE, SO THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA NEGOTIATE THEM OUT. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT THE INCENTIVES AND, AND WHATEVER YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU'D SAY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THEY WERE GREAT IDEAS, WHICH THEY'VE AGREED TO ABOUT DONATION OF MONEY. WE DIDN'T THINK THE INCENTIVE IN OUR OPINION WE'RE LARGE ENOUGH. WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN, IT'S A TOWN BOARD DECISION. YOU'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR A REPORT TO, IT'S REALLY SIMILAR TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ALWAYS MAKE ABOUT REZONING. RIGHT. OH RIGHT, OKAY. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S INCENTIVES, RIGHT? SO THERE'S DIFFERENT FACTORS TO CONSIDER AT THIS STAGE. SO, SO IF WE, WE SAID, UH, A DONATION TO THE PARKS, UH, SUFFICIENT TO REOPEN THAT PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE WOULD GIVE A VAGUE TYPE OF DESCRIPTION. WELL IT'S ALREADY, IT SAYS A MONETARY DONATION FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE ORCHARD ACRE. RIGHT. SPORTS FIELD. I MEAN, DO YOU WANT MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT? I DON'T, I OR LEAVE IT THERE. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET AT WITH THIS INCENTIVE ZONING LAW BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'VE HAD WITH THE INCENTIVE ZONING LAW. I I UNDERSTAND IT'S A NEW PROCESS. SO IT'S, SO IT'S THE INCENTIVES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HAS TO DECIDE THE INCENTIVES ARE ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE WAY WE USUALLY WOULD DO WITH THE ZONING. SO THAT'S NOT DOING IT BEFORE IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ENOUGH. SURE. SO I MEAN YOU AND DOUG PUT THE, NOT, I'M NOT POINT OF PRESSURE, BUT JUST CAMMY GAVE THE, THE UH, SCHEDULE TOWN BOARD UNFORTUNATELY HAS ONE MEETING ON IN DECEMBER ON THE 13TH. IF YOU COULD, AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, IF YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, THEY COULD CALL FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT THEIR NOVEMBER 29TH MEETING AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 13TH. NOT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE SAME. RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THEY WELL I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME THING THAT I THINK ONE THING THAT WAS CLEAR AT THE LAST MEETING, DENNIS MADE HIS OPINION VERY CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT DENNIS THINKS THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE TYPE OF THE PROJECT WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS THAT HE THINKS HE WAS VERY STRONGLY IN SUPPORT, DOGGY WOULD'VE BEEN PROUD, VERY STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE [01:40:01] OF THE PROJECT AND THE REDEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM . I AM HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND OTHER THAN PERHAPS ADJUSTING THAT WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT ON THE, ON THE FIRST, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE ON THE DONATION, I, AS LONG AS AN APPROPRIATE SUM THAT IS OF VALUE TO THE TOWN IS AGREED ON AND HOW WE WOULD WANNA PHRASE THAT. I WOULD LIKE DENNIS BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TYPE OF A INCENTIVE REPORT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING IN TWO WEEKS THAT I WOULD BE ADDING TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE HERE. RIGHT. AND I DON'T OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR DENNIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT DENNIS MADE HIMSELF VERY CLEAR AT THE LAST MEETING. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT HE'D BE SAYING GET ALONG WITH. WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE? I'M NOT SURE IF JOSH GOT INTO THAT. YEAH, JOSH DID A VERY GOOD JOB. OKAY. SO HE GAVE, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION. HE SPENT TIME, HE, JOSH HOW IT WORKS AND YOU SHOULD ASK HIM ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT SOLAR 'CAUSE HE ALSO SAT THROUGH . OH, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. UM, SHOULD WE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT IT'S REUSING AN EXISTING VACANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S AN AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE OFFERING. RIGHT. UH, SO THAT IT IS IN THERE IN THE FIRST BULLET. NUMBER ONE, THE REUSE TRANSFORMATION. REUSE TRANSFORMATION MALL. YOU CAN PUT IN PARENTHESES THE REUSE OF THE SPECIFIC TIER ONE BUILDING. RIGHT. A VACANT BUILDING. RIGHT. BECAUSE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE CARRIER FROM THE MORATORIUM THAT THEY HAD FOR THAT WHILE RIGHT. AND THE TOM BOARD, THE MORATORIUM, THEY'RE USING A A SPOT THAT'S NOT BEING USED. IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S OTHER AND IT'S AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING SOMETHING IN THE PARK. EXACTLY. IT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED LIKE A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE. THEY'RE RENOVATING SOMETHING THAT'S REUSED. SO AFTER THE FIRST BULLET, WE'LL JUST ADD A CLARIFICATION. WE'RE WE'RE ALLOWING THE REUSE OF A VACANT PIER ONE BUILDING AT THIS LAKE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PLACES IN THE AREA THAT I'M LOOKING? YOU'VE GOT A MINVILLE, TENNESSEE NICE WEATHER, SOUTH CAROLINA ICE WEATHER. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, NORTH CAROLINA, ICELAND AND CICERO. OH, PORTLAND AND CICERO WOULD BE THE, THE CICERO SYRACUSE AREA, RIGHT? EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE HUB. THAT'S A TYPICAL USE CAR FACILITY THAT WOULD RECONDITION THE CARS AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST COME DOWN HERE BY HAULER HERE. SO WE ARE JUST MOVING, WE'RE IN THE SUNBELT. WE'RE DC WASHINGTON, DC DOWN THE NORTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA, ACROSS ALABAMA, TEXAS, UH, YEAH, SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO. WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING TO THE LIST, BUT WE, WE ARE CERTAINLY NATIONAL, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A HEAVY INFLUENCE UP HERE IN THE NORTHEAST. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN PENNSYLVANIA, SO I'M PUSHING PEOPLE, UH, UP HERE AS WELL. BUT WE DID BUY A COMPANY IN SYRACUSE LAST YEAR. UH, AND WE'RE ALSO PURCHASING HIS CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP, UM, OUTSIDE OF SYRACUSE AS WELL. SO WE ARE GROWING OUR PRESENCE HERE. I DO SITE SELECTION. SO I'M GONNA START, I'M GONNA LOOK IN ROCHESTER NEXT, UH, AND WE'LL, WE'LL DROP DOWN INTO PENNSYLVANIA TOO. UM, I'M GONNA BE UP IN HARRISBURG, MY HOMETOWN, UH, IN TWO WEEKS AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA OPEN ANOTHER FACILITY THERE. BUT, UM, SORRY, I WAS CURIOUS. WE WERE GOING THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT, A LOT OF BUSINESS AVAILABLE UP HERE AND, AND I WE WANNA GET OUR BRAND UP HERE. GREAT. SO, OKAY. NO, BECAUSE IS VERY SIMILAR. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. AND WE WE'RE ALL IN THE SNOW, SO THAT'S RIGHT. I GOT SOME GOOD FRIENDS THAT ARE AT BUFFALO. AS I TOLD SOMEBODY ELSE, I FEEL LIKE HALF OF THE CAROLINA PANTHERS HAVE MOVED UP TO BUFFALO . IT'S KIND LIKE FFC TEAM THAT WE ROOT FOR ANYWAYS. WE'LL, WE'LL, UM, SO I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER, SO NUMBER FIVE IS THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU WOULD RECOMMEND YOU BASED UPON THE ABOVE, ABOVE COMMENTS WHERE WE WOULD, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AS NUMBER FIVE ON THE BACK OF THE BACK OF THE PAGE IS THE FINAL REVIEW AND COMMENTS. SHOULD WE ADD IN? THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK, UM, OH NO, IT'S IN HERE. YOU ALREADY HAVE A STATEMENT IN HERE. UNIQUE REQUEST AUTO, AUTOMOTIVE SALES FACILITY IS UNIQUE. IS IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A VEHICLE SALES LAW AND HAS NO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA ADD NO LONG TERM OUTDOOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES. RIGHT? YEP. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT TO AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? UH, WE'RE WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE AGREEING TO THAT AS WELL TOO. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS. THESE KIND OF FACILITIES. AND I KNOW YOU HAD CREATION OF SIGNIFICANT JOBS IN THERE. I KNOW SIGNIFICANT MAY SEEM LIKE A TROUBLING WORD, BUT, UH, IT, IT IS A PRETTY SMALL FACILITY AND, AND RELATIVE TO YEAH. ZERO IN THERE. RIGHT. AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAN ZERO, RIGHT? NUMBER TWO BUT BUT SIX COMPARED TO PIER ONES PROBABLY NUMBER REPORT IS VERY IMPORTANT TOO, IS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS MALL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ADVERSELY IMPACT THE ABILITY OF THAT MALL TO DEVELOP VERY DIFFERENTLY [01:45:02] PROJECT. IT'S AN EASY ONE BECAUSE IT'S AN OUT PARCEL. MM-HMM . I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ANYONE NEEDS ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO LOOK AT TO MODIFY THIS? I DON'T. I DON'T THINK SO. SO I THINK THEY, IT, SO UNDER FIVE WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE RIGHT LOOK, THE LANGUAGES RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN APPROVE THIS INCENTIVE ZONING. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SAY? IS THAT, I MEAN, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM . MM-HMM. YEAH, I WAS JUST FIGURING OUT HOW TO PUT THE WORDS TOGETHER SO IT SEEMS RIGHT. I'M WRITING THIS DOWN SARAH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK. YEAH, IT'S WORSE RIGHT NOW. SO YOU WOULD JUST NEED A RESOLUTION BILL TO, TO APPROVE THE AMENDED, APPROVE THIS REPORT AS AMENDED, RIGHT. AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OUR AMENDED ECHO PARK REPORT AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD. SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MCCORMICK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. TOOK A LONG TIME. WELL YOU ALREADY HIT A SECOND. I KNOW SHE DID OR NOT, SO I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT. OKAY. I WAS WONDERING WHAT NAME YOU WERE GONNA SAY WHO HAD SECONDS AND WHO DIDN'T. BOB'S ALREADY GOTTEN TWO. YOU GO. OKAY. SO HOPEFUL FEEL BETTER BASED UPON THE BOARDS ACTIONS. I CAN'T FEEL WE'LL GET A RESOLUTION IN I SAY THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. NEXT TIME YOU COME IN WITH ONE OF THESE CALL AND YOUR MOUTH THE MEETING ON HOPEFULLY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE HELP. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LAKESHORE ROAD AND BIGTREE ROAD. SARAH, DO WE HAVE UPDATED BIG DRAWINGS FOR THE FIRST DOLLAR GENERAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I EMAILED YOU WHATEVER I GOT. I I, YEAH, I, YOU HAVE A BIG ONE TO LOOK AT NOW WHERE ARE WE WITH THE SEPTIC VERSUS THE SEWER? YEAH, SO I DEFINITELY WANNA UPDATE YOU ALL ON THAT TONIGHT. I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CONCERN, SO WE'LL DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT. UM, AT THE LAST, UM, FOR THE RECORD, TARA MATHIA BROADWAY GROUP, UM, REPRESENTING THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO AT THE LAST MEETING THERE, UM, WAS I WAS GIVEN SOME ADVICE AND MAYBE NEEDED TO DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON THE ISSUE OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. UM, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC SEWER IN THE AREA. UM, WHEN I HAD ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO ERIE COUNTY, UM, DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT, UM, THEY INFORMED ME THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT A, UM, 500 PLUS FOOT EXTENSION WE'D HAVE TO BORE UNDER A ROADWAY AND THAT THEY FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER A SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND SO I DEFINITELY TOOK THEIR ADVICE AND RAN WITH IT. BUT THEN, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS HERE, I WENT BACK TO ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWER AND THIS TIME I WENT AND I SPOKE WITH MATT S LAW. I HAD BEEN SPEAKING WITH MAYBE A JUNIOR PERSON ON HIS STAFF WHO HAD GIVEN ME THE ORIGINAL UM, INFORMATION. BUT MATT EXPLAINED THAT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, NUMBER ONE, THERE'S APPARENTLY A BREWERY THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT IS IN THAT AREA. SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EXTENDING 200 SOMETHING FEET OF THE SEWER LINE. AND SO HE SAID, ALTHOUGH HE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT WITHIN OUR TIMELINE, JUST THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT SHORTENS THE LENGTH OF THE EXTENSION. AND OF COURSE THAT REALLY CHANGES THE WHOLE EQUATION. NOT TO MENTION THAT, UM, HE FELT LIKE IT REALLY IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AREA TO HAVE EVERYTHING TIED INTO THE PUBLIC SEWER. SO WE HAD, DID CHANGE OUR PROPOSAL AND UM, WE DID CHANGE OUR, UH, SEEKER FORM TO INDICATE THE, UM, INTENTION TO EXTEND THAT LINE. WHETHER WE DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BREWERY, UM, IF THEIR PROJECT TIMELINE LINES UP WITH OURS OR IF WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE WHOLE THING ON OUR OWN, UM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE TYING INTO THE PUBLIC SEWER SO WE CAN UM, HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THAT CONCERN RIGHT OFF THE BAT TONIGHT. ALRIGHT. OH, I THINK I FORGOT A SHARPIE ECHO PARK GUY PART THEIR INCENTIVE. YEAH, SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD AND INCENTIVE. HE HAD SOME OTHER COMMENTS, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING. AND I CAN JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THOSE. UM, ONE OF THEM WAS JUST ON OUR SITE PLAN, UM, WANTING TO SHOW THE ACTUAL LIKE BLOOD PLAN ELEVATION [01:50:01] SO YOU COULD SEE WHERE THAT FIT WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE STORE AS WELL AS THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY. AND SO WE DID HAVE OUR ENGINEER DRAFT THAT OUT AND I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE THAT ON THE, THE LAYOUT. UM, I SUBMITTED A LAYOUT AND A LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, WHICH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS THE OTHER REQUEST ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW, I HAVE BASICALLY SINCE I STARTED COMING UP TO THIS PART OF NEW YORK, JUST BEEN IN LOVE WITH THE DIFFERENT GRASSES AND THINGS THAT GROW, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE, UH, AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, THE WATERWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I ASKED OUR ENGINEER TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THOSE GRASSES THEN MAYBE LIKE SHRUBS THIS TIME. AND UM, I'LL TALK TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TOMORROW. I'M MEETING WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR TAKE IS ON THAT. BUT I JUST THINK THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND SO, UM, I WANTED TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THEM IN SOME WAY. UM, OF COURSE WE ALSO WERE, UM, RECOMMENDING OR UH, PROPOSING SEVERAL TREES. UM, AS WELL. WE, UM, ALSO SUBMITTED A, UM, PRELIMINARY LOOK AT THE MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT WE WOULD BE DOING ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT, UM, A FIVE ACRE LOT AND WE'RE, IT'S NOT EXACTLY CUTTING IT IN HALF, BUT ROUGHLY, UM, DIVIDING THAT IN HALF, UM, TO MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S A MORE REASONABLE PROPOSAL FOR OUR TENANT. UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING FOR, UM, A BUSINESS, YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF THE LAND PLUS THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS OF IT. AND SO TO MAKE THAT BUDGET WORK, UM, THEY DON'T NEED A FIVE ACRE LOT OF LAND. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THEM A SMALLER PARCEL SO THAT ALL OF THE BUDGETARY BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS WORK OUT. UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ALREADY ABOUT THE SEWER SITUATION. UM, I DID, UM, SARAH HELPED ME LINE UP THE MEETING WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD AND WE HAVE BEEN, UM, TRYING TO LINE UP A MEETING WITH THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE SINCE WE'RE IN THAT SUB AREA, ONE OF THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM. UM, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ONTO THEIR NOVEMBER AGENDA AND THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING ME ON THEIR DECEMBER AGENDA, BUT RIGHT NOW I STILL DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR THAT. SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOME INFORMATION THAT IS STILL OUTSTANDING. UM, I THINK TYPICALLY THERE IS A TIMEFRAME FOR THEIR REVIEW, BUT WE, I WANT THEIR FEEDBACK. I KNOW Y'ALL DO AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I TOLD 'EM DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. LET'S, YOU KNOW, LINE IT UP FOR DECEMBER. WE'LL GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE SITE DESIGN. UM, UH, THE PACKET THAT I SUBMITTED HAD A FULL SET OF CIVILS AND A SW, SO, UM, I DOUBT THAT CAMMY'S PROBABLY EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE. UM, AND IT MAY BE ALL RIGHT ANYWAYS. I DON'T WANNA, I WOULDN'T WANNA WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME. UM, I DID GET SOME, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FROM SARAH YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE THAT. UM, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING SOME OF OUR PARKING STALLS FURTHER AWAY FROM LAKESHORE ROAD. AND SO WE DID TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND I KNOW YOUR RULE ON WANTING TO SEE THINGS THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT I DID UM, JUST BRING SOME PRINTOUTS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF OUR SOLUTION BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE SOME MINOR, UM, SOME MINOR IMPLICATIONS. WE'LL HAVE TO. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE BETTER IN THE END. 2, 3, 4, 5. YOU DON'T TO TAKE, TAKE ONE BACK UP TO SOMETHING SAID BEFORE. BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I'M GONNA ASK A BIGGER QUESTION. OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ROTATE THIS BUILDING 90 DEGREES SO THAT IT IS NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN? I THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY ASK THAT QUESTION. IT IT WASN'T ME. MARK WOULD ASK YOU TOMORROW. , I KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT TOO. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY, I MEAN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE IT WOULD, IT WOULD FIT. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ONE OR TWO THINGS. OKAY. SO EITHER WE'RE GONNA BE KIND, UM, GOING INTO THE, THE FLOODPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH THE WHOLE SITE REALLY ISN'T FLOODPLAIN AES. UM, BUT THIS, THE, THE ENGINEER DREW THE LINE OF THE FLOOD ELEVATION. I GUESS HE WENT INTO THE ELEVATE THE STUDY AND DREW THAT LINE. AND SO YOU CAN DO A LETTER OF I'M SOME ONE OF YOU TWO, CORRECT ME, YOU'RE WRONG. YOU CAN'T PETITION TO GET A, A MAP ADJUSTMENT TO HAVE THE FLOOD MAP ADJUSTED TO THIS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD LANE LINE FROM WHAT THEY, IF THEY HAVE IT BASED ON THE TOPO AND ELEVATION. CORRECT. YOU'RE, SO THERE, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS. A LETTER OF MAP AMENDMENT I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. TO ACTUALLY STATE THAT TO, TO SORT OF BETTER DEFINE THAT FLOOD AREA THINKING THAT YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF IT. YES. BECAUSE THEIR MAPS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL AND SO THEY TEND TO DRAW THE LINES MORE GENEROUSLY. YES. LET'S SAY. AND YES, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A LETTER OF MAPS AMENDMENT TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THAT FLOOD PLATE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHICH HELP YOU WITH YOUR FLOOD, WHICH HELP YOU WITH YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE. AND THEN THERE'S [01:55:01] THE OPTION THEN IF THE LINE WERE TO BE ACCEPTED AT THIS NEW LOCATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE SPACE FOR YOU TO SHUFFLE SHUFFLE YOUR BUILDING AT 90 DEGREES. I UNDERSTAND YOU ASKING ABOUT THAT. I THINK OUR UM, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THIS DESIGN WAS MORE OR LESS PROTECT THE, UM, WETLAND THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED ON THE PROPERTY. AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE DO ROTATE THE BUILDING WE WOULD BE UM, PROBABLY ENCROACHING MORE INTO THAT. AND SO THIS WAS THE, THE PREFERRED OKAY. THE PREFERRED LAYOUT. SO THE WETLAND IS THE SQUARE, WHICH LINE IS THE WET? SORRY. MM-HMM WHICH LINE IS THE WETLAND? BECAUSE THERE'S A TREE WETLAND AREA. IT'S FLAGGED A, A ONE THROUGH LIKE A 12 AND IT'S RIGHT AROUND BIG TREE ROAD. UM, OKAY. SO THAT'S IT. OKAY. JUST LOOKS. SO THAT'S AREA. AND THEN THERE'S A SMALLER WETLAND AREA THAT'S ON THE FERRY. THE BACK END OF OUR BUILDING, IT'S LIKE 0.09 ACRES. SO, SO WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE LARGER OF THE TWO WETLAND AREAS. SO IF WE ROTATED IT, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE LESS WETLAND IMPACT, BUT IT WOULD BE TO THE LARGER WETLANDS, BUT IT WOULD MOVE YOU OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAN AND OUT OF THE WETLAND. THAT'S THE TRADE OFF. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S LESS WETLAND IMPACT. I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE, IT'LL BE THE SAME. THE SAME OR MORE. YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN THERE, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE GRADING AND ALL OF THAT THAT HAS TO BE DONE. RIGHT. YOU MOVED IT THIS WAY. THIS WAY. BUT THEY MAY THEN AFFECT THIS. THEY WOULD MAYBE NEED TO DO THIS. OKAY. BUT THIS, THIS IS COMING ALONG VICTORY ROAD THIS WAY. YEAH, BUT THEY WOULD JUST TURN, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING. OKAY. BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE MINOR PARKING LOT. ALRIGHT, I SEE WHAT YOU SAYING. SO EITHER WAY WE HAVE TO CHECK THE WETLAND. I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD ASKS. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE THEIR FEEDBACK, UM, ON THAT. UM, AND I AM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO ADMIT I'VE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH LIKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND EVEN THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES FOR THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD BECAUSE, AND MAYBE Y'ALL CAN GIMME SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT. MOST OF IT SEEMS THAT THEY BASICALLY TRY TO HELP YOU WITH TREE SPECIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO DO THEY HAVE A BROADER SCOPE OF REVIEW THAT IS FORMALIZED SOMEWHERE THAT I CAN REFERENCE. SO I BRIEFLY SERVED ON THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD BEFORE COMING ON THE, THE PLANNING BOARD. AND AT THAT TIME ONE OF THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS WHO'S NO LONGER ON THE, I MEAN IT'S BEEN LIKE FOUR OR FIVE, I DON'T KNOW HOWEVER MANY YEARS IT'S BEEN, THEY WERE TRYING TO MORE FORMALIZE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY TYPICALLY REVIEW WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED UNDER SEEKER AND WILL PROVIDE BROADER, MORE GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMENT. SO THEY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOLLAR GENERAL HEALTH, THEY HAD WALKED THE SITE AND THEY DID PROVIDE US SOME BROADER FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT WHAT OR WHAT. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. SO THEY WILL WEIGH IN ON A BROAD RANGE OF THINGS. RECENTLY THEY HAVE PARTICULARLY BEEN CONCERNED WITH WATER QUALITY IMPACTS, IMPACTS THAT MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT DOWNSTREAM FLOW, FISHERIES IMPACTS. THOSE ARE THE, MARK HAS ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM SOME OF THE MORE RECENT PROJECTS, BAS BASICALLY THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD. YEAH. THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ASK THEM ANYTHING AND WHATEVER. THEY HAVE NO APPROVAL POWERS OF ANYTHING. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES IN THE, IN THE TOWN'S LAWS THAT REFER TO SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT END OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT TALKS ABOUT FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS WITHIN FLOOD PLAINS OR NEAR CREEKS AND WHATEVER, IT MUST BE REFERRED TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD. BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE ADVISORY BOARD. THEY HAVE NO, NO APPROVAL POWERS OR ANYTHING. THEY ADVISE THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD CAN SEND THEM THINGS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AT COMMONWEALTH. SO THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE'VE INCORPORATED THEM INTO. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, DURING AN ADVISORY BOARD, NO. IT USED TO BE THE PRACTICE WAS THAT THEY WOULD HELP FILL OUT PART TWOS OF EAPS. BUT THEN WE GOT PAST THAT A LITTLE BIT AND JUST ASKED FOR SPECIFIC, BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT IT WAS HARD BECAUSE THEY WERE COMMENTING ON THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC AND WHATEVER. AND WE SAID, WELL, NO, WE GET COMMENTS FROM THE TRAFFIC BOARD ON THAT. SO WE TRY TO FOCUS THEM ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND NOT ON SEEKER IN GENERAL, BUT THOSE THINGS RELATED TO SPECIFICALLY AS, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS OF STREAMS, CREEKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. UM, THEY ALSO, THE RECOMMENDING BOARD ON, ON TREE SPECIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE PLANT? MM-HMM. OKAY. WELL I'M MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW AND I'LL DEFINITELY, AND TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEIR FEEDBACK AND WHATNOT. I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO PREPARE AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO PLEASE THE TOWN AND NOT KNOWING LIKE THE BENCHMARK OR THE STANDARDS. UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF FELT LIKE WHAT AM I, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE ASKING ME ABOUT? SO, YEAH. YOU TALKED ABOUT WATERFRONT COMMITTEE. THEY [02:00:01] HAVE SPECIFIC, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT THE WHATEVER CONSERVATION BOARD IS GENERAL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS MENTIONED IS THE TOWN DOES, HAVE YOU PROBABLY NOTICED THAT WE REVIEWED THE CODES. THE TOWN TOWN DOES HAVE A WETLANDS PROTECTION ORDINANCE. MM-HMM . AND BASICALLY THE TOWN DOES NOT REGULATE WETLANDS. THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO. BUT THE TOWN SAYS WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO PRESERVE THE PRESERVE WETLANDS. SO IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT, WE MAY ASK YOU TO MOVE IT TO MAKE THAT IMPACT TO WETLANDS LESS. ALTHOUGH YOU MAY GET PERMIT FROM ARMY CORPS DC, WE LIKE TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THAT. AND THEN THE FRONT END OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS THINGS ABOUT CONSERVATION AREAS ALONG CREEKS AND STREAMS AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THEY TEND TO DEAL WITH. UM, WE WERE SORT OF TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF TURNING THE STORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIENTATION OF THE STORE STORE. UM, AND BEFORE THAT, IF, UM, WE WERE GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I DID HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM SARAH TO LEAVE SOME OF THE PARKING AWAY FROM THE ROAD. AND SO OUR ENGINEER CAME UP WITH A, AN ALTERNATE DESIGN THAT DOES THAT AND THE TRADE OFF. AND I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT ACTUALLY DOES IN THE END, HAVE A POSITIVE TRADE OFF. WE WERE HAVING TO PUT SOME MORE OF THE, UM, LANDSCAPING TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE STORE TO LIKE, MEET SOME OF THE, THE STANDARDS. BUT THIS WILL OPEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE WHERE WE CAN BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE AND REALLY BEAUTIFY THAT, UM, CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST, THAT WAS JUST ONE, ONE CHANGE THAT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. AND WE'LL OF COURSE, UM, RESUBMIT A FULL, FULL SET OF PLANS, UM, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE HAVE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM CONSERVATION AND, UM, THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE ONCE WE'RE ABLE. JARED, DID YOU SET UP, YOU HAVE NEW DRAWING. DID YOU GIVE A COPY TO SARAH? I, I SO MUCH. I'VE GOT SOME MORE. UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUALITY OF THIS COPY. UM, I DIDN'T GET THE, I DIDN'T GET THIS LAYOUT, UM, UNTIL TODAY AND I JUST HAD TO GO LIKE TO OFFICE DEPOT. YOU'LL EMAIL IT TO SARAH, SO I'LL BE BLAST. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WELL WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT, WHEN, WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE. OKAY. YEAH. EMAIL IT AND THEN, UM, I NEED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, , I JUST ASKED SARAH, THE ONE THING WE DIDN'T DETERMINE AT LAST MEETING IS THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER. DID WE WANNA DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW ON THIS? OKAY. YES. AND I THOUGHT SARAH HAD STARTED THE COORDINATED REVIEW. THIS NO, I DID IT FOR, UM, OH, THE TIER ONE. TIER THREE. OH, TIER THREE. CAN WE DO THAT FOR THIS TWO? YEAH. YEAH, BECAUSE WE SHOULD GET INPUT FROM, OBVIOUSLY DC WILL MAKE COMMENTS ON THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING TRAINING RIGHT NOW ON FLOODPLAIN, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA COVER. YEAH, GOOD FOR THAT. AND TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, WE, UH, HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED, UM, A REPORT TO TO GET A JURISDICTIONAL, UM, DETERMINATION HERE. AND I'VE BEEN, I THINK WE DID THAT. IT'S BEEN MONTHS Y'ALL, BUT APPARENTLY, UM, WITH THE NEW BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THEY'VE MADE SOME REGULATORY CHANGES. SO THE DEPARTMENT, THE AGENCY IS TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THOSE AND IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES. AND THEN, UM, SO THEY'RE ABOUT, AT LEAST 60 DAYS BEHIND JUST IN THEIR WORKLOAD AND WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP TO DATE ON THOSE REGULATIONS. AND THEN, UM, THEY SAY THEY'RE SHORT STAFFED. SO, UM, WE'RE JUST, AND NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE COLDER MONTHS, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DETERMINATION UNTIL NEXT SPRING. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY E THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A SITE VISIT UNTIL THEN. SO THAT'S, I THINK REALISTICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I WOULD UM, WELL THEY ARE SHORT STAFFED. THEY'VE HAD A NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS AND PEOPLE LEAVE THE DISTRICT MM-HMM . BUT, UM, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK, OR SARAH MAY HAVE ON FILE THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION FROM THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED HERE. 'CAUSE THEY HAD A DELINEATION AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL GOOD, BUT I COULD CHECK, BUT AT, BUT AT LEAST IT WILL LET US KNOW IF THE BOUNDARIES ARE, THEY'RE GOOD FOR THREE OR FIVE YEARS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, FIVE YEARS AND I WAS ON THE BOARD EXPIRED. YEAH, IT HAD EXPIRED, WHICH IS WHY WE INVESTED IN GETTING A, A NEW ONE. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S FROM THE DATE OF THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION TOO. NOT SO, UM, BUT WE DO, I MEAN WE HAVE THAT, I, I GOT THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD FROM YOU SPACE ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE SITE WITH POTENTIAL UNDOCUMENTED BILL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE STEPPING OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OF COURSE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS AND WITH THE WETLAND, UM, [02:05:01] SCIENTISTS THAT HELPED US ON THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT HE ACTUALLY WAS INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE OTHER PROJECT TOO. HE'S, UM, I THINK HE DOES A LOT OF DELINEATIONS IN THIS AREA. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ, READ YOUR REPORT SAYING ON THAT. UM, DID YOU DO SOMETHING WITH THE ARCHEOLOGICAL THAT YOU WORKED WITH CHRIS? IT SHOWS UP AS A POTENTIAL ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE. ANYTHING NEAR THE WATERFRONT SHOWS UP . OKAY. UM, I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. USUALLY I, I HOLD OFF ON DOING THAT UNTIL I HAVE MY CIVIL PLAN SO I CAN SUBMIT THE DRAWING SO YOU CAN SHOW 'EM. SO YEAH. SO LET ME, UM, LET ME GET BACK FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AND IF YOU'RE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, I KNOW SHE CAN, HE OR SHE CAN WRITE UP SOMETHING ON THE ENDANGERED SPECIES, THE EASTERN SAND DARTER OR THE LAKE SURGEON. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LAKE SURGEON. MM-HMM . UH, BUT THE SAME TOO. THAT THE WHAT? RIGHT, FOR THE BREWERY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THE, YEAH, THE SAND DARTER SAME, SAME TWO AREA. SAME TWO FOR THE BREWERY. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. YOU WANNA CHECK ON THE SAND DARTER THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE STURGEON, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, WHAT'S THAT? ARE THE DARTERS IN THE LAKE OR ARE THEY IN ONE OF THE TRIPS? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE CONSULTANT TELL YOU, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE NOT. BUT THEY WERE, I THINK. YEAH. YEAH, THE STURGEON IS DEFINITELY IN THE LAKE SEEN. THEY'RE VERY COOL. FISH AND WILDLIFE USED TO HAVE ONE IN THE TANK IN THEIR OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FLOODWAY AND FLOOD PLAIN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SURFACE WATER IMPACTS. UM, USUALLY THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT A BIG GENERATOR TRAFFIC, BUT ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC GENERATION? IS THAT, I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE GOING OUT? BIGTREE ROAD IS YOUR ENTRANCE. ENTRANCE MORE. IT'S THE BIG TREE EXPENSE, RIGHT? TRAFFIC CIRCLE, BIG TREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. IT COMES UP AS DIFFERENT NAMES ON DIFFERENT MAPS, BUT I JUST HAVE BEEN SAYING BIGTREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO COVER ALL MY BASES. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, I THINK WE ASKED THIS LAST TIME, BIG TREE IN THAT AREA WHERE YOUR ENTRANCE IS GOING ONTO THAT ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD. IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. YES, SIR. AS FAR AS, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN, UM, WHAT I HAVE CONFIRMED, IF Y'ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION, I CAN DOUBLE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL, WE WON'T, IT WON'T HELP WITH THE ARMY CORPS, BUT SARAH'S GONNA GET AUTHORIZED TONIGHT TO SEND STUFF TO, AND THAT PUTS THEM ON A DEADLINE TO GET BACK TO US IN 30 DAYS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR PROBLEMS. SO WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO GET INPUT, HOPEFULLY FROM THE DDC, FROM THE COUNTY AND TELL THEM, LIKE A LOT OF TIMES THEY WON'T REVIEW STUFF UNLESS THE ACCOUNT STARTS A PROCESS WITH I BILL 2 39, THE COUNTY ALREADY. IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE WOULD'VE TO HAVE IT IDENTIFIED AS A NON BUILDABLE LOT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING. RIGHT. HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THIS WITH THE SUBDIVISION? IF WE SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL, IF THE OTHER PARCELS STILL BUILDABLE TWO, RIGHT? C TWO? NO, NO. BUT WITH THE SET, ARE THE SETBACKS, ARE THEY STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD THERE? I THINK SO. BETWEEN THE SETBACKS AND THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LIKE WETLANDS, IT'S JUST TRIANGULAR AT THE END. THE BUILDING CARBON DOESN'T TAKE WETLANDS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S BILLABLE OR NOT. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD'VE, THE SAME THING THAT WE HAVE WITH SCHMITZ, YOU APPLY THE SETBACKS. THE QUESTION RAISED IS, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WITH THE SPLITTING OF PARCELS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS ON THE OTHER. OF COURSE, THEY DON'T OWN THE OTHER. I, I DOUBT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SELL OR LEASE THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY SAYING IT'S UNDEVELOPED. ARE YOU GONNA OWN BOTH LOCKS? NO. YOU'RE JUST BUYING HALF THE PROPERTY. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ACTUALLY BOTH. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BUYING THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE BUYING THE WHOLE THING, WHAT LINE WERE ASKING, DO YOU JUST WANNA LABEL THAT A NON BUILDABLE LOT? UH, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T INTEND FOR IT TO BE NON BUILDABLE. I BELIEVE THAT WE DO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR A LOT IN THE C TWO AREA. UM, SO AS, AS FAR AS MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, I BELIEVE THAT WE DO. AND, UM, CAN YOU PROVIDE A MAP OR SOMETHING THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT, THAT SEPARATE, THE SECOND PARCEL WOULD STILL BE BUILDABLE THE SETBACKS. IF WE'RE GONNA PROVE THAT SUBDIVISION, WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THAT THAT LOT IS BUILDABLE. DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY BUILDABLE THAT YOU, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH THAT THERE IS AN AREA THAT INSIDE THE SETBACKS SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THE SCHMIDT PARCEL WHERE YOU'RE LEFT WITH A SLIVER. THE SCH THE AUTO, THE AUTO PLACE OVERALL. THE SCHMID GARAGE. OH, SO THE, THE SETBACKS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHERE THE SETBACKS YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDABLE IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? NO, I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT THERE'S A SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SETBACKS THAT YOU COULD STILL OH, PLAUSIBLY BE ABLE TO STRUCTURE. IF YOU CAN JUST FIND US. WE HAVE, UM, YEAH, ON MY, ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAN, WHAT I'LL DO IS HAVE THE, UM, SURVEYOR PLOT OUT THOSE, UM, SETBACK LINES, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY FAIRLY MINIMAL SINCE IT'S A C TWO, IT LIKE 40 FEET FOR THE FRONT FIVE YARD, FIVE FEET FOR THE SIDE, AND 10 FEET FOR THE REAR. SO THE SETBACKS THEMSELVES DON'T, UM, COMPRISE A VERY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE LOT. YEAH. IT JUST GOES DOWN TO POINT. AND IT IS AN, WHICH IS WHY I WAS, IT'S LIKE A TRIANGLE. YEAH. YEAH. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, [02:10:01] BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A CHUNK AT THE POINT THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD PUT AN ACTUAL C TWO STRUCTURE INSIDE. YEAH. MM-HMM . BUT IT'S A BIG, THIS IS A BIG LONG, THE OVERALL PARCEL IS 2016. HOW BIG IS THE OVERALL? IT'S LIKE FIVE, UH, FIVE ACRES. FIVE I THINK. OKAY. BUT IT WAS, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES OR SO, GIVE OR TAKE. YEAH. WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST THAT ADJOINING LOT MAY NEED, MAY NEED THE, MAY MEET THE BULK REQUIREMENTS. BUT IF IT'S ALL FLOODWAY AND WETLANDS AND WHATEVER, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WHY ARE WE CREATING A LOT? THAT'S AN UNBUILDABLE LOT. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. LOOKING AT JUST THE EDGING. I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE THE FLOOD, FLOOD PLAIN, YOU CAN BUILD IN A FLOODWAY, YOU CAN'T. IF IT IS, IF IT IS FEDERAL OR STATE DESIGNATED WETLANDS, IT'S UNBUILDABLE PROPERTY ANYWAY. WHY ARE WE DIVIDING THE PROPERTY? WE JUST SAY LEAVE IT WITH THE OTHER ONE OR LABELED AN UNBILLABLE LOT. AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA LABEL AN UNBILLABLE LOT. THE TOWN ISN'T LIKE THAT EITHER. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT NO ONE PAYS THE TAXES ON IT, AND IT JUST GOES TO RECEIVERSHIP THAT END UP SOMEBODY END ENDS UP ALL DUE RESPECT. WE DO PAY OUR TAXES. I MEAN, WE'RE RESPECTABLE COMPANY PAYS OUR PROPERTY TAXES. WE, WE, THEY'VE SEEN PEOPLE BREAK PIECES OF PROPERTY OFF, DEVELOP ONE PIECE, THEN LEAVE THE OTHER PIECE BEHIND, REALIZE THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON IT AND THEY JUST STOP PAYING TAXES. YEAH. BUT SHE'S TELLING YOU SHE'S NOT GONNA DO THAT. RIGHT. WE, WE PAY OUR TAXES. I MEAN, WE'RE A REPUTABLE COMPANY, UM, AND, AND PROPERTY MANAGER. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE CASE. AND UM, I KNOW WE, WE WILL PROBABLY END UP DISCUSSING THIS MORE LATER, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF YOU MEET THE SETBACKS JUST ABOUT ANYTHING IS DEVELOPABLE IF YOU HAVE THE INVESTMENT IN IT. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT WITH A PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DEVELOP, UM, AND THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PUT IN JUST TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY IS PRODUCTIVE AND BRINGS IN MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE TOWN. AND NOT TO MENTION BEAUTIFIES THAT CORNER. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'LL ON THE LINE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPABLE IN THE TOWN I'VE BEEN SHOWN TO BE. BUT ANYWAY, SO ANYHOW, SO BACK TO THE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT AESTHETICS IN THIS CORNER. MM-HMM . WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE DOLLAR GENERALS, THEY'RE INVESTING IN THAT LARGE BREWERY AND HAD TO HAVE THE WATERFRONT DESIGN AND HAD A HIGH SCRUTINY ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE. IS ARE, DO PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE AESTHETICS OF THIS BUILDING? ARE THERE CHANGES THAT WE WANNA SEE? THIS LOOKS MORE SIMPLE THAN PERHAPS THE FLOOR MODEL THAT WE GOT ON THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFTER THIS ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANNA SEE THERE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER UPGRADES THAT ARE OCCURRING OR IN LINE WITH ANYTHING ELSE? PROBABLY, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE'S GONNA DO ON THIS SIDE OF LAKESHORE. MAYBE WE OUGHT WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK RIGHT BEFORE WE DO IT ALL. I MEAN, THEY, THEY MAY HAVE A LOT OF INPUT. THEY MAY SAY THAT'S, IT'S ON THEIR OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE DON'T CARE. I, I DON'T KNOW. UM, SO I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER DEFINING FEATURES TOO IS THE INVESTMENT THAT ST. FRANCIS HAS DONE IN THEIR BUILDINGS AND THEIR FIELDS IN THEIR RIGHT. SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE COMPARISON STRUCTURES THAT I WOULD USE AS OPPOSED TO GOING THE OTHER WAY DOWN TOWARDS LACKAWANNA WHERE YOU HAVE YEAH, THE, AN, THE CAT RESCUE AND ENTERTAINMENT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG PLANS FOR THAT AREA FOR NEW AND INTERESTING THINGS. AND WE WANT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE ANYTHING THAT WENT THERE FITS NOT JUST WITH WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT WITH WHAT WE HOPE IT CAN BE. YEAH. WELL THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE'VE JUST SEEN COME THROUGH IN THAT AREA THAT WE'VE HELD TO A CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD TO KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEW ONES THAT Y'ALL HAVE? YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE UPHELD A DIFFERENT STANDARD? BECAUSE I, I, I SAW LIKE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT AND WHICH I FELT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DESIGN. THE IMPORTANCE WAS FAIRLY NEW. UM, THE BREWERY THAT JUST, THE BREWERY JUST GOT APPROVED. I CAN MAKE YOU LOOK ONLINE AND SEE SOME, I MEAN THEY, A LOT OF GLASS JUST GOT APPROVED RIGHT. JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. YEAH. MM-HMM . THEY, THEY DON'T LIKE IT. WE, WE, IN THE CODE IT TALKS ABOUT NAUTICAL THEME AS FOR 10 WHARTONS, HOW WE BATTLED WITH THEM. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT CAME THROUGH WITH THAT NEW REGULATION. REMEMBER THAT REGULATION IN EFFECT WHEN THE LAST LWRP WAS PUT IN PLACE? UM, WE MADE THEM PUT, BECAUSE THEY ARGUED WITH THE LONGEST TIME THEY PUT, UH, THE BOLLARDS AND THE, AND THE ROPE IN THE PARKING LOT TO TRY TO BRING SOME NAUTICAL THING TO IT. UH, ONE OF THE, UH, THE DAYCARE CENTER DOWN THE ON, ON ROUTE FIVE DOWN THERE, THEY PUT A LIGHTHOUSE OUT FRONT OF THE DAYCARE TO BRING IN SOME SORT OF NAUTICAL THEME. I KNOW OUR CURRENT WATERFRONT COMMITTEE IS NOT BIG ON WATERFRONT THEMES AND WHATEVER, BUT JUST TRY TO MAKE IT BLEND TO THE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. [02:15:01] AGAIN, WE GET IN AN ARCHITECTURE WHEN WE'RE IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT OR IN WE'RE SOME OTHER REQUIREMENT OF LAW THAT THE TOWN SITE PLAN LAW IS VERY BLUNT. IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN ACTIVE FRONT FACING THE HIGHWAY, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE IN A WATERFRONT AREA, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE AESTHETICS. IT TALKS ABOUT NAUTICAL THEMES, IT TALKS ABOUT WHATEVER. WELL, LET'S, IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH WATERFRONT ADVISOR. YEAH. SEE WHAT THEY, BUT YOU CAN LOOK, THE RENDERINGS I THINK ARE ONLINE FROM THE BREWERY. RIGHT. AND THEY WERE KIND OF EVOKING THE BIG GLASS FRONT END WITH LIKE REMINISCENT OF LIKE THE GREEN SILOS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT. YEAH. YEAH. ANOTHER LOGO JUST WENT IN THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BREWERY. AND THEY, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT? LAGO, THE RESTAURANT THAT JUST WENT IN OVER THERE. BUT IT WAS ONE THAT REUSED A VACANT BUILDING, OR NOT A VACANT BUILDING, BUT LIKE A RESTAURANT STOREFRONT THAT YOU GET THE ST. FRANCIS FIELD HOUSE IS. FIELD HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. IT'S PROBABLY THE CLOSEST BUILDING IS. SO ON THAT SIDE, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE OR AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE? I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE FIRST. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE, THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETS THIRD THURSDAY, WHICH WOULD BE THE 16TH. AND THEN THERE'S TIME FOR THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. SO SOMETHING, SO IF THE EARLIEST YOU COULD BE IN FRONT OF THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE IS THE 16TH, THEN THE EARLIEST WE COULD HAVE OF DECEMBER. RIGHT. DO WE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? I GUESS, WELL, I GUESS THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS JANUARY SHE'S GONNA TALK TO THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET AT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'D WANNA UPDATE US ON IS CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD'S GONNA HAVE COMMENTS, WE'LL FINISH A CONSOLIDATED REVIEW, BUT LOOKING AT THE TRADE OFF IN THE INTERPLAY OF HOW THIS IS SITUATED, EITHER THIS WAY OR 90 DEGREES THE OTHER WAY. OKAY. I MEAN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE WAITING FOR THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE OR NEW INFORMATION YOU WANNA PRESENT. I DON'T THINK, IS IT WORTHWHILE THOUGH, TO BRING HER BACK TO JUST DISCUSS THE ROTATION OF THE BUILDING? SHE DOES FLY FROM ALABAMA. THAT'S RIGHT. WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETS BY ZOOM TOO, SO MM-HMM . IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO FLY IN FOR THAT 'CAUSE. YEAH, JUST BE ON A SCREEN. YOU WANNA LET SARAH PERHAPS KNOW AFTER THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING WHEN MIGHT MAKE SENSE, WHETHER THAT'S IN DECEMBER OR IF YOU WANT, WE WON'T GET YOU'RE BACK FROM THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY. SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE RIGHT, JANUARY 5TH WILL BE THE FIRST MEETING WE'D HAVE AFTER THE NEXT WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETING. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IF YOU'D WANNA COME BACK BEFORE THAT TO TALK ABOUT THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. I KIND OF NEED TO KNOW THAT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT IT IN MY PAPER TOMORROW. WELL, I GUESS I WOULD SAY IF SHE WANTS TO COME BACK DECEMBER 15TH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK THE FIRST NECESSARILY, BUT THAT WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS BEFORE WE WOULD HEAR BACK. YEAH, I MEAN I FEEL LIKE, UM, WITH THE, THE DEIS I'LL PROBABLY BE BACK UP HERE BECAUSE I IMAGINE Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY GONNA, ARE YOU GONNA, I KNOW THAT'S A, THE NEXT GEN AGENDA ITEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT OR RIGHT, OKAY. TALKING ABOUT NEXT UP HERE ANYWAYS, AND I, I DON'T MIND IF Y'ALL WANNA TAG ON, YOU KNOW, A ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. NO, THAT MAKES SOME SENSE. THAT SO YES. UP, THAT'LL BE ON THE NEXT MEETING. SO I GUESS DO WE WANNA TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT AND WE CAN GET THE, IF CAN ALWAYS TABLE IT IF AT LEAST I HAVE THAT'S YOU ALREADY ATION ADVISORY BOARD. I'LL HAVE THEM FOR SURE BECAUSE THAT'S TOMORROW. SO I'LL HAVE THEIR FEEDBACK FOR SURE. IT JUST BE THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION. WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND, AND SHE CAN TABLE IT. SHE HAVE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL TO DISCUSS. WE'LL JUST TABLE IT AND WE CAN ALSO ALREADY THAT'S OKAY. ASSIGN THEM. SO LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BIG TREE DOLLAR GENERAL TO DECEMBER 1ST. MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MRS. UFFORD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. SO WHAT DAY DID WE GET? OCTOBER 26TH. OCTOBER 26TH AND WE HAVE 45 DAYS. IT WOULD BE DUE DECEMBER 10TH. DECEMBER 10TH. OKAY. AND THAT, AND WHAT'S DUE THEN IS JUST THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER IT LEADS THE REQUIREMENTS CORRECT? RIGHT. EXCEPT, YEAH, ACCEPTED. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T REQUEST A JOINT OR NOT, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE. IT'S EVEN TIMEFRAME. YOU'RE CORRECT. YOU CAN SAY IT'S NOT ADEQUATE. REQUEST MORE INFORMATION THEN YOU WOULD GET 30 DAYS AFTER THEY RESUBMIT IT. OKAY. CORRECT. [02:20:01] BUT JUST MAKE THAT STATEMENT OTHER THAN THE SCOPING, ALL THOSE OTHER TIMEFRAMES ARE DIRECTORY MANDATORY. WHEN WE TRIED, WHEN WE TRIED TO REWRITE THE SECRET ALL YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO PUT PUNISHMENTS IN THERE AND OTHER TYPE OTHER THINGS IN THERE, BUT WE COULD NOT DO THAT. SO AGAIN, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY, ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU GO, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. UM, YOU SHOULD TRY TO MEET THOSE TIMEFRAMES AS BEST YOU CAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ACCESS. YOU'RE NOT DELAYING IT. YOU TRY TO WRITE REGULATIONS IN THERE TO TRY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM MAKING EISS GO ON TO THREE YEARS. WE'RE GONNA DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO GO 48 DAYS OR 50 OR 60 DAYS, THEN THAT'S FINE. UM, BUT WE'LL TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT AND AT THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THE DOCUMENTS COMPLETE OR NOT AND ASK FOR REVISIONS IF YOU NEED REVISIONS. SO I THINK, AND I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU MY LAST VERY IMPORTANT, YOU WANT TO GET TO THAT POINT OF ACCEPT ACCEPTING THE DOCUMENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEN ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON IT A DRAFT SCOPE, A DRAFT PIS THAT HASN'T BEEN ACCEPTED YET. WE REALLY SHOULD. CAN'T TAKE COMMENTS ON IT YET UNTIL YOU ACCEPT THE DOCUMENT. SO I ALWAYS PUSH AND SAY DO IT AS DO, DO IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO COMMENT, THEY WANNA HAVE A DOCUMENT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS ON IT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY SENSE. SO JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS THEY WE ACCEPTED AS COMPLETE, THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEP. I HAVE TO SEND IT OUT TO ALL THE AGENCIES. IT GOES OUT TO THE AGENCIES AT THAT POINT. IN ADDITION TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE COMMENT OR FEEDBACK OR WHEN DOES THE OTHER EXPERTS COME IN? IS IT THAT THIS STAGE OR IS IT ONCE YOU ACCEPT THE DEIS IS COMPLETE? YOU CAN GO OUT AND HIRE INDIVIDUAL EXPERTS IF YOU NEED THEM TO HELP YOU REVIEW AND HELP YOU FORMULATE YOUR FEIS BECAUSE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FEIS. YOU MAY ASK THINGS, BUT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. SO, UM, YOU CAN HIRE PEOPLE TO HELP YOU MAKE YOUR OPINIONS ON THE RECORD WITH PROFESSIONALS AND WHATEVER. SO AGAIN, SO IT'S A BALANCED PROCESS. AND THEN BASED UPON THE DEIS, THE FEIS, YOU MAKE FINDINGS. SO THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE UNDERSTANDS, WELL JUST BECAUSE WE'VE ACCEPTED THIS DOCUMENT DOES NOT, WE, FOR THE DOES NOT MEAN WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN IT. AND THERE ARE OPTIONS TO MAKE REVISIONS TO IT AND TO GET INPUT AS NEEDED BASED ON BOTH THEIR COMMENT AND ANY COMMENTS WE HAVE. THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE IS, IS AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS ALL OF US ON WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE DEIS AND THEY KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN THEY CAN COMMENT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE, BY THE WAY, TO HELP YOU. I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL UNDER THE PANDEMIC RULES. SO I BELIEVE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO EMAIL THIS PIS OR SET UP A WEBSITE AND NOT HAVE TO MAKE HARD COPIES AND SEND IT TO EVERY AGENCY. I'M MAKING HARD COPIES. RIGHT. WELL IT USED TO BE, IT USED TO BE IN THE PAST YOU HAD TO DO THAT. YOU DO HAVE TO TECHNICALLY STILL SUBMIT IT TO ALBANY, A HARD COPY TO ALBANY TO PUT ON FILE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. UM, BUT YOU'RE TECHNICALLY STILL SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT IT TO THE IN ALBANY. NO ONE DOES IT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO ANYWAY, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT I WHAT I DID AND I YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT. IT'S MY, YEAH, I TOOK THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND HAD MY STAFF JUST MAKE A CHECKLIST OUT OF IT. DID THEY DO THESE THINGS OR NOT? SO THAT'S THE STARTING POINT. YOU GUYS PROBABLY DID THE SAME THING. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO GO OVER AND MAKE A DECISION AND GIVE THEM DIRECTION ON, IS THE DOCUMENT COMPLETE OR DO YOU NEED REVISIONS FOR THE DOCUMENT? SAY REVISION. I WAS WHAT? HAVE YOU GUYS GOT ANY ISSUES? YOU ALSO HAVE MY, MY COMMENTS AND THE COMMENTS ARE WHETHER OR NOT THEY MET THE SUFFICIENCY OF WHAT WAS REQUIRED. NOT WHETHER OR NOT, NOT WHETHER WE AGREED WITH IT OR NOT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY COULD HAVE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU HATE IT, BUT THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO. I MEAN, YEAH, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE IF DOUG AND DENNIS JUST SO THERE'S MORE THAN THE FOUR OF US ARE WEIGHING IN ON THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I THINK WE WANNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT. THE APPLICANTS HERE HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOCUMENT. YOU'RE RIGHT. I DON'T SEE THE PLANNING BOARD MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT INPUT FROM EVERYBODY. MAKE SURE THEY'VE HAD TIME TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW IT FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT. IT'S GONNA GET HARDER LATER ON. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS BIG PICTURE. DID THEY DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO? THIS WILL BE THE RECORD ONCE YOU ACCEPT IT, YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON YOUR DE DEFENSE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE A [02:25:01] SPECIAL MEETING. WE THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? DENNIS AND DOUG HERE THIS TIME. UM, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF COMMENTS THEY'RE GONNA HELP. WELL, I MEAN WE'VE GOT DREW'S COMMENTS, WE'VE GOT SARAH'S COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON DECEMBER 1ST. SO I DON'T THINK A SPECIAL MEETING IS SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO DO. PLUS WE JUST SCHEDULED THAT OTHER DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD BE HERE ON THIS DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE FIRST ANYWAY. DREW, SO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON DENNIS AND DOUG CANNOT ATTEND THAT MEETING, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SEND THEIR COMMENTS AND EMAIL TO THE ENTIRE OH YEAH, I WOULD. NO, THEIR COMMENTS, THEY CAN SEND COMMENTS. NO, THEY CAN SEND COMMENTS BEFOREHAND, RIGHT? YEAH. BEFOREHAND, NOT AFTER. SO THEY COULD SEND COMMENTS TO SARAH AND SHE COULD BRING THEM FOR US. CORRECT. RIGHT, RIGHT. LIKE IF THEY KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT THEY'RE UNABLE THEY'RE NOT YES. FEELING WELL THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ATTEND. THEY COULD SEND SARAH THEIR COMMENTS TO SHARE AND THEY CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO, SOMEHOW INTO DREW'S OR CORRECT. THEY CAN PROVIDE 'EM TO SARAH. SARAH CAN DISTRIBUTE THEM TO EVERYONE BEFORE DECEMBER 1ST. RIGHT. AND WE WOULD VOTE ON IT ON DECEMBER WITH THEIR COMMENTS. CORRECT. OKAY. AND, AND, AND OUR VOTE WOULD BE, THAT WAS JUST MY CONCERN IS WE ARE SUCH AN ABBREVIATED, RIGHT. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU BOARD TONIGHT UNTIL DECEMBER 10TH, IF YOU DECIDE ON DECEMBER 1ST, THAT IS YOUR, THAT'S YOUR FINAL DECISION THAT NIGHT? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. NOW DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE EITHER DREW OR SARAH'S COMMENTS? SORRY, THEY HAVE NO COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, I GOT COPIES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO RESPOND. RESPOND OR ANYTHING. THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO THOSE TO REVISE THIS. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR WRITTEN DEFICIENCIES TO THEM AND THEN THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVISE. SO, SO WE CAN SUBMIT RIGHT? SO WE, OKAY, SO SO IF WE, IF WE AGREE WITH SOME OF DREW AND, AND SARAH'S COMMENTS, WE WOULD SUBMIT DEFICIENCIES ON THE FIRST. THEY'D HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND TO THAT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WELL WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND TO THEIR RESUBMISSION, TO THEIR RES. OKAY THEN THEY, THEY THEN THEY RESUBMIT AND THEN WE RESPOND TO THAT. YES, BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I THINK I LIKE, I LIKE SARAH'S HALF PAGE ONE. MM-HMM . VERY, VERY SUCCINCT AND TO THE POINT. NO, I, I LIKE IN DREW. I LIKE THAT HE WENT THROUGH AND WE HAVE A CHECKLIST THAT SAYS THAT WE, THE TOPIC THIS, THIS IS HOW I'VE DONE RIGHT. BASICALLY TAKE AND WHAT I DO IS I ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT WOULD HONESTLY NOT BE A BAD IDEA IF YOU EACH HAVEN'T HAD A, AN ENOUGH TIME TO SUFFICIENTLY REVIEW DREW'S COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS BEFORE DECEMBER 1ST, JUST LIKE IT TO, TO GET DENNIS TO, BECAUSE DECEMBER 1ST WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING. CORRECT. AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DRAFTED. CORRECT. AND WE DON'T WANNA VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT I WRITE ON A NOTEPAD THAT NIGHT. SO CAN CORRECT. THERE WAS ONLY A HANDFUL OF THINGS IN HERE THAT WE DIDN'T SAY PROVIDED RIGHT THERE. THERE WERE MORE. AND IT'S GONNA BE YOUR DECISION. FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE 3.2 0.3 WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT ABOUT DELIVERY TIMES AND WASTE PICK UP THE NOISE GENERATED. THERE'S REALLY NO DISCUSSION OF DELIVERY HOURS AND SOLID SOLIDLY PICK UP TIMES OR WHATEVER. SO DID YOU WANT, DO YOU THINK THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION? SO, UM, SO CAN, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER ONES TOO. CAN, CAN YOU GET A COPY OF THIS TO AL AL CAN PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS TO OR BE TO SARAH ON WHO? AL MONICA. HE IS REALLY DONE. HE HAD, WE HAVE NOT BEEN SENDING HIM ANYTHING. I WAS TOLD BY JIM SHAW THAT HE'S NOT YEAH, HE, I THINK HE ASKED TO. OH HE DID ACTUALLY. HE'S NOT PARTICIPATING AT ALL. OKAY, SO, SO PRESUME SIX OF YOU. OKAY. SO YOU ALL HAVE THIS AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SEND A, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, I'LL SEND IT ELECTRONICALLY IN A WORD FORMAT. YOU CAN MARK IT ALL UP. YEAH. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT RECORD TO SAY YOU ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, HEY, THE ONLY THING THE, THE PERSON WHO HELPED ME WITH DIDN'T DO IS I USUALLY ASK THEM TO PUT THE PAGE NUMBER WHEN THEY SAY IT IS PROVIDED OR WHATEVER THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. THAT IS NICE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S NICE WHEN THEY DO THAT. YEAH. RIGHT. IS DREW IS SOMEONE I DIDN'T DO IT. IS SOMEONE ATTENDING ON YOUR BEHALF OR IS SARAH GONNA HAVE TO FLY SOLO IN DECEMBER? YEAH, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. I WAS GONNA TALK AFTERWARDS. I'M NOT PLANNING ON BEING AT THE MEETINGS IN DECEMBER. WE'LL BE OKAY. . , WHEN I CAN'T COME TO THE MEETING, I'M GONE. THAT'S [02:30:01] ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. NO, THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST CONFIRMING AND I ACTUALLY NEED MY CONTRACT. I ONLY WORKED 48 HOURS, 48 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR IS MY CONTRACT. OKAY. BUT, AND I SAVED IT ALL TO THE END OF THE YEAR. . ALRIGHT. IT'S BEEN A BUSY YEAR. UM, ALRIGHT. SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE EMAIL THEM TO ME. I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM. WILL GO A LOT SHORTER. MM-HMM . SARAH WILL TELL THAT RIGHT AWAY. I'M NOT HERE. SO THEN WE'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO TABLE THE LAKEVIEW DOLLAR GENERAL TO DECEMBER 1ST TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. SECOND BY MS. UFFORD. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE, AYE. WHAT I WOULD OFFER TO THE APPLICANTS IS WE GET A TABLE IT. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IF I MISS SOMETHING OR WE MISS SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, YOU MISSED THIS. IT'S ON PAGE WHATEVER THAT WE MISSED OR WHATEVER. I HAD ONE OF MY STAFF HELP ME WITH THIS. OBVIOUSLY AS THEY WENT THROUGH. I HAVEN'T DOUBLE CHECKED IT, I HAVEN'T DONE QAQC ON IT YET. IF WE MISS SOMETHING, LET US KNOW. SAME THING. AND AGAIN, YOU GUYS SHOULD ADD TO IT, PLEASE. YEAH. WE, WE MAKE SURE. YEAH. YOU MAY FIND STUFF THAT WE MISSED OR I NOT AGREE OR YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE. I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH MEETING. SECOND MOTION. I SHOULD DO THAT, RIGHT? YEP. MOTION BY. THIS IS SECOND BY MRS. ERFORD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. DOUG NOT HERE. WE CAN'T I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE OR TO CLOSE? END. END THE MEETING. CLOSE THE MEETING. ADJOURN AJOUR. HONOR. I COULDN'T EVEN DO IT. RIGHT. SECOND MOTION. THIS IS MCCORMICK. SECOND FER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY, WE'RE DONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.