* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:05:06] HE [00:05:06] JUST NOTARIZED. OKAY. SO, YES, HE JUST SAID THAT. YOU READY, JIM? YES. OKAY, WE'RE READY NOW. OKAY. UH, WOULD YOU BE GOOD ENOUGH TO CALL THE ROLE? SURE. SUPERVISOR SHAW HERE. COUNCILWOMAN HOPE? HERE. COUNCILMAN CONLEY? HERE. COUNCILWOMAN FARRELL? HERE. COUNCILMAN PETRI HERE. OKAY. IF YOU'D ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE INVOLVEMENT FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TRIAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE HAVE A WORK SESSION AGENDA FOR OVER, HOPEFULLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA, UH, WE HANDED OUT TONIGHT, OR TOM DID TOM, UH, MEMO FROM URBAN ENGINEERS DATED 11 15 21, UH, REGARDING REPAIRS TO THE FOUNDATION AND SIDEWALK THAT HAPPENS TO ABUT THE CLOCK TOWER ON ROUTE FIVE. TOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US A LITTLE RUNDOWN OF, OF WHAT YOU SEE AND, UH, RECOMMEND HERE? THANK YOU. OPTION NUMBER ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, STAYS ON THE, UH, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND, UH, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH OPTION NUMBER ONE IS THAT THE, UH, SHEET TILING WILL EXTEND INTO THE PARKING LOT 15 FEET. UM, OPTION NUMBER TWO, WIRE PUTTING SHEET TILING ONTO, UH, OAKS PROPERTY. SO, UH, OPTION NUMBER TWO IS ACTUALLY A BETTER OPTION IF WE CAN, UM, I QUICK CLAIM DEED OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THE WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY AND, UH, WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS SURROUNDING THAT SCENARIO FIGURE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASK A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER TO DEED US PROPERTY SO WE CAN MAKE REPAIRS ON THEM, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT PRESUMABLY THEM. I THINK THAT BECOMES A, UH, PROBLEMATIC AREA. SO, UH, THAT LEAD TO OPTION ONE. I, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, TOM? ON OPTION ONE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM TOO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT. UH, PROPOSE A STEEL SHEET PILE WALL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH, WITH, UH, THE CONFINES WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, INE LINE THAT'S GOING AROUND THE PROPERTY. ALRIGHT, WELL, IF, IF THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THOUGH, UH, SINCE NO REMEDIATION WILL BE PERFORMED ON THE ADJACENT PRIVATE PROPERTY, THIS WALL WILL NEED TO EXTEND A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE TO THE SOUTH TO PREVENT EROSION. YOU MEAN EXTEND OUT INTO THE WATER HEADING SOUTH TOWARD, UH, HOAX RESTAURANT AND BEYOND? IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS? IT MEANS THAT IT HAS TO EXTEND TOWARDS ROUTE FIVE INTO HO'S PARKING LOT. WELL, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? HOW DO WE DO THAT? I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE, UM, IF WE CAN'T GO ON HO'S PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY. WELL, IF WE CAME BACK AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, WHERE WOULD WE BE COMING BACK TO? I DON'T, I DON'T FOLLOW THAT. WE WOULD BE COMING BACK INTO THE PARKING LOT. WOULD THAT BE THE HOAX PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT OR OURS? WELL, IT WOULD BE ON OUR SIDE OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. HEADING TOWARDS THE RED TOP BASICALLY CORRECT. HEADING TOWARDS ROUTE FIVE. UH, OKAY. I I STILL DON'T GET A PICTURE OF IT, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO, TOM, AM I WRONG HERE? WE GOTTA NOTIFY, UH, THE ENGINEERING FIRM OF WHAT OPTION WE PREFER SO THEY CAN DRAW THE SPECS FOR THE WORK. WE CAN BID THE JOB WE HAVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2022 WITH FEMA MONEY TO GET 75% OF THE PROJECT PAID FOR. SO WE GOTTA EXPEDITE THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A FORMAL RESOLUTION, WALTER. UH, WE DIDN'T PREPARE ONE FOR THIS MEETING. UH, DO WE JUST GIVE TOM DIRECTION AND CAMMY AND THEN THEY SEND A LETTER TO, UH, BOURBON ENGINEERS? I WOULD THINK SO. [00:10:02] OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK FOLKS? I DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S AN OPTION TO ME. OKAY. SO WITH THE, WITH THE OPTIONS NUMBER TWO, SO I GUESS ENGINEERING WISE, WHICH OPTION IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA PROTECT THAT STRUCTURE OF THE SOCK TOWER FOR THE LONGEST AMOUNT OF TIME? BOTH OPTIONS WILL PROTECT THE CLOCK TOWER, BUT OPTION NUMBER ONE, WE LOSE PARKING SPOT AND THE LAKE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO WASH OUT IN FRONT OF THE SHEET PILING AND TAKE OUT OAK'S PARKING LOT IN THE FUTURE. SO, I MEAN, THE WATER WOULD GO UP THERE, THE WATER WOULD FLUSH OVER. YEAH. THE SAME WAY IT'S NOW, BUT OURS WOULD BE PROTECTED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CUTTING BACK TOWARDS RED TOP RESPONSIBILITY. ARE THERE ANY OPTIONS AS FAR AS EASEMENTS OR HAVE THEY BEEN PART OF ANY CONVERSATION AS FAR AS THEY HAVE GRANTED US THE, UH, AN EASEMENT TO WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. WE HAD TO PUT, WE HAD TO PUT CONSTRUCTION TEAMS ON THERE. OUR B AND G PEOPLE TO PUT SOME BLOCKS AROUND. THEY GAVE HOPES, GAVE US AN EASEMENT TO, UH, BURDEN THEIR LAND WITH OUR TRUCKS AND OUR WORKERS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT EASEMENT. AND WALTER, UH, THE PERMANENT EASEMENT WOULDN'T HELP US HERE. UH, IT WOULDN'T ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM OF BENEFITING A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. AND WE CAN'T TAKE A DEED, YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO BENEFIT THE PROPERTY OWNER? RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC. UH, WELL, I GUESS THAT DOESN'T LEAVE US WITH MUCH OF AN OPTION. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. WHAT'S THE REIMBURSEMENT GONNA BE ON THAT 70 FEMA? IS IT 75%? BUT WE'VE GOT AN EXTENSION TWO, TWO EXTENSIONS. UH, AND SO WE'RE ON EXTENSION TO SEPTEMBER OF 2022 FOR THE WORK TO BE COMPLETE, OR FOUR? YES. YEAH. YES, YES, YES. THEY SEEM TO INDICATE TOM, THAT IN THEIR PAGE ONE THAT, UH, UH, THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, OF THAT AREA, WHICH INCLUDED THE CLOCK TOWER, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WITH EXTREME WEATHER THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, IT WAS INADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE CONSTANT POUNDING. HUH. GREAT. OKAY. WELL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? WHAT DO YOU THINK WE OUGHT TELL TO? AND, UH, NUMBER ONE, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY FEASIBLE OPTION. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WALT'S POINT. UM, WE KNOW WITH EXCEPTION OF THAT. SURE. I THINK THAT, UH, TWO PROBABLY SOUNDS, UH, BETTER LONG TERM, BUT THEY'RE BOTH GONNA MAKE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT. I KNOW THE OWNERS WANNA SEE, UH, THIS PROJECT DONE. UM, OPTION ONE GETS IT DONE OPTION AND OPTION TWO, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, CREATES TOO MANY PROBLEMS WHERE IT MAY NOT GET DONE. AND I GET THE, OKAY, MAIN GOAL, GET IT DONE. MM-HMM . IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD? I I FEEL THE SAME WAY. IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH OPTION ONE THEN? ALRIGHT, WELL, EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD. TOM, DO YOU WANT TO TALK, TALK TO CAMMY OR DO YOU WANT TO DRAFT A LETTER? YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? WE CAN WORK ON IT TOMORROW. ONE OF YOU AND I TALK TOMORROW. WE'LL GET THIS. 'CAUSE WE GOTTA GET THEM GOING TO GET THE BID SPECS DONE. WE GOTTA GET OUT TO BID. WE GOTTA GET IT OUT TO BID IN MARCH, BECAUSE THEN YOU TAKE 30, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS OR SO TO GET THE BIDS BACK. BONUS YOU END OF APRIL, AND THEN YOU GOTTA REVIEW 'EM. YOU'RE MAY THEN YOU'RE INTO, YOU'RE INTO THE SEASON, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE BUMPING UP AGAINST SEPTEMBER. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL DO THAT TOMORROW. NOW THE NEXT ONE PRESENTS A SIMILAR KIND OF PROBLEM, AS YOU FOLKS KNOW. UH, WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, IN OCTOBER AND ALSO, UH, AT OUR BUDGET, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. AND, UH, ON THE MEETING WHERE WE ADOPTED THE 2022 BUDGET, WE BUDGETED $75,000 FOR THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OFF-ROAD PARKING LOT AT BURKE ROAD, WHICH IS IN LAKEVIEW BETWEEN LAKEVIEW ROAD AND NORTH CREEK. THAT'S WHERE THE BALL DIAMONDS, THE SOCCER DIAMONDS ARE THE PICNIC AREA, TENNIS COURTS, BASKETBALL, ET CETERA. OKAY. [00:15:01] NOW ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF BURKE, THE LAKE SIDE HEADING TOWARDS NORTH CREEK, THERE'S ABOUT 200 TO 200, 250 FEET OF FRONTAGE. WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S HEAVILY TREED? WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE? ON THE, YOU MEAN ON THE SOUTH SIDE? ON THE SOUTH, I'M SORRY, ON THE LAKE SIDE? YEAH, SOUTH SIDE. OKAY. SORRY. SO THAT B THAT BUFFET'S THE LAST BALL DOCK, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND INITIALLY WHEN YOU AND I WENT OVER THERE, WE, I WAS GUESSING ABOUT 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON BURKE. DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT? YEP. OKAY. LOT OF TREES, PINE TREES, DEAD TO MAPLE TREES, POOR PAST TREES. UH, BUT THERE'S NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION ON BURKE HEADING TOWARDS NORTH CREEK. THE LAKEVIEW ASSOCIATES ASSOCI, UH, ASSOCIATION LIKED THE PARKING LOT OPTION ON THAT TREE LINED PLOT. HOWEVER, THEY GOT SOME ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE NEW HOMES, NEW HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE BUILT ON BURKE. SO NOW THE OTHER OPTION WAS IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BALD DIAMONDS AND THE PION, THERE'S THE BRAD HAKEN WEST HER SIGN, THERE'S THE PION BEHIND THE PAVILION IS, UH, LAND OWNED BY THE LAKEVIEW HOMEOWNERS OR PROP ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS USED FOR PARKING. AND ADJACENT TO IT IS OTHER LAND, WHICH IS SUFFICIENTLY LARGE OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS JUST FIELD. NOW, IF THEY WERE TO DEED THIS TO US, TO THE TOWN AND THE TOWN HAD A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IN THE DEED SAYING THAT WE COULD NEVER ALIENATE THE PROPERTY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES OR, UH, INCUR ANY LIENS ON THE PROPERTY, THEN THE QUESTION WAS COULD WE BUILD THE PARKING LOT BACK THERE TO ALLEVIATE O ON STREET PARKING ON BURKE, UH, AND THEN GET AWAY FROM THE LOT. THAT'S HEAVILY TREE ON BURKE. YOU SEE, UH, THE ASSOCIATION HAS SAID, JIM, WE'D GO ALONG WITH THAT OF THAT SECOND CHOICE BECAUSE OF THE ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS ON BURKE. CAN THAT BE DONE? SO NOW DO WE WALTER, OR DO WE RUN UP AGAINST THE SAME PROBLEM? IN OTHER WORDS, LAKEVIEW ASSOCIATION DEED US THE PROPERTY, WE CAN'T BUILD IT ON THEIR LAND, PUBLIC FUNDS ON THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NOT FOR PROFIT OR A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, BUT WE OWN IT. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AS A PARKING LOT. WE CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IT IS ULTIMATELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO A SOLE PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT'S YOUR THINKING ON THAT ONE? WELL, THE BURKE ROAD MEANS THERE'S PLAYGROUNDS, THERE'S BASEBALL DIAMONDS. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE COMMUNITY USES THAT FOR FREE, PRESUMABLY. YEAH. YES. AND, UM, ADDING, YOU KNOW, INVESTING MONEY TO BUILD UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HELP THE RECREATION FACILITIES THAT THE TOWN BENEFITS I IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN DOES, I THINK ON A NORMAL BASIS. YEAH. WHEREAS THE, THE PARKING LOT IDEA, UH, UH, IT WOULD BENEFIT, I MEAN, PRESUMABLY IT WOULD HELP THE TOWN 'CAUSE YOU'RE APPROVING THE TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT ALSO PRIMARILY BENEFITS ONE PROPERTY OVER THE RESTAURANT THAT SITS THERE MM-HMM . UM MM-HMM . SO IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD THEN WITH THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE STACK BAR ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE TO GET A SURVEY DONE. WE'D HAVE TO GET A PURCHASE OFFER PREPARED A DOLLAR AND NO MORE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. AND WE'D HAVE TO, UH, AFFECT A LAND TRANSFER FROM THEM TO US. NOW, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO OUT TOM, I THINK, AND BID THE PROJECT. I DON'T THINK OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS GUYS CAN CONSTRUCT, CAN THEY FROM RAW LAND, THE DRAINAGE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY FOR A BLACKTOP OR CINDER PARKING LOT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS FOR STONE. I'M SORRY, STONE. THAT'S CINDER. YES. SO, UH, YOU'VE TO TALK TO PAT IF HE'S WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEM DOING THAT. YOU THINK THEY, THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY DRAINAGE AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE SHEET DRAINAGE, WHICH WOULD JUST RUN TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YEAH. IS WHAT THEY HAVE THERE NOW. YEAH. SO IT WOULD JUST BE, UH, CLEARING AND STRIPPING OF THE TOP SOIL AND SCRUB BRUSHED AND THEN YEAH. PUT SOME STONE DOWN. ALL RIGHT. SO MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO DO BID [00:20:01] SPECIFICATIONS THERE ONCE WE GOT THE ONCE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT. YEAH. AND ONCE WE GOT THE TRANSFER OF PROPERTY, I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT. I JUST WASN'T SURE THAT THEY HAD THE RESOURCE. THEY, THEY JUST DID THAT AT THE NIKE BASES. THEY EXPANDED SOME OF THE PARKING, THE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME THING. OKAY. WELL, ALL RIGHT. WE'VE AGREED IN THE BUDGET TO APPROPRIATE AS MUCH AS 75,000 TOWARDS THIS, UH, WALTER, DO YOU THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED A RESOLUTION FOR THE 13TH, UH, DECEMBER, WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO GO FORWARD TO GET THE PAPERWORK DONE FOR THE TRANSFER TO ACCEPT THE PROPERTY, I'M ASSUMING IN RESOLUTION, ACCEPTING THE PROPERTY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME WRITTEN REQUEST, UH, A MORE FORMAL REQUEST FROM LAKEVIEW TO US THAT WE COULD ATTACH TO THE RESOLUTION ON THE 13TH. WELL, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING THAT TO, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING THIS POSSIBILITY AVAILABLE TO THEM. IF THEY WANT TO DONATE IT, WE'RE ACCEPTING THE DONATION. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT I WOULD THINK WE'D ALSO WANT A TITLE SEARCH ON PROPERTY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY OWN IT FREE AND CLEAR. RIGHT. AND WE WANNA SURVEY IT TOO, DON'T WE? YES. THINK SO. ALRIGHT, SO WE SHOULD PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR DECEMBER 13TH, THEN YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER? WE CAN DO THE RESOLUTION AND JUST EFFECTUATE THAT ONCE THEY GET THOSE DOCUMENTS. ALRIGHT, SO, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THIS. YEAH. SO THE PEOPLE WHO RUN LAKE SHORE, WHO RUN THE PROPERTY ARE OKAY WITH PUTTING THE LOCK BACK THERE, THE LAKEVIEW ASSOCIATION? YEAH. YEAH. WE MET, TOM AND I MET WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THEY WERE VERY, UH, UH, KEEN TO GET US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE OFF STREET PAR ABOUT THE PARKING ON THE STREET. SO IT'S PRIMARILY ABOUT THE VEHICLES ON, ON THE STREET THAT TRYING TO GET THEM OFF THE STREET AND INTO A LOT. YES, SIR. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. WHEN YOU DRIVE IN THERE, YOU HAVE A BOTTLENECK AT THE SNACK SHACK. ALRIGHT. AND BEHIND THE SNACK SHACK, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SPACES THERE DURING ALL THESE GAMES. EVERYBODY PARKS ON THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S MORE CONVENIENT INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE. I MEAN, TO GET OUT OF THERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE WAITING FOREVER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. AND WHAT IS THE FLACK WITH GOING BASICALLY TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY? THE TREE BLOCK? YEAH. I THINK YOU'D HAVE MORE SUCCESS IN GETTING THE VEHICLES OFF OF THE STREET BY HAVING IT THERE THAN PUTTING IT IN THE BACK BEHIND THE BOTTLENECK. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO BACK THERE. I AGREE WITH YOU. UH, THAT WAS OUR FIRST, THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST CHOICE OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THAT'S RIGHT. HOWEVER, LIKE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONS, WHEN SQUEAKY WHEELS START SQUEAKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DECIDED THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GET OUR NEIGHBORS ALL UPSET. THEY BUILT EIGHT OR NINE NEW HOMES IN THAT AREA. UH, THESE PEOPLE SAY, LOOK, WE BUILT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'D HAVE THIS TREE LINE BUFFER TO GIVE US PRIVACY AND SOME SANCTUARY WITH THE NOISE OF THE, OF THE FIELDS. SO THEY HAVE NOW SAID, WELL, GEE, WE DON'T WANNA UPSET 'EM. LET'S GO TO OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS PLEASE CONSTRUCT A, UH, A PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THAT WHICH WE HAVE TO THE, UH, LAKEVIEW ROADSIDE OF THE SNACK BAR. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. A LOT OF TIMES THERE ISN'T ROOM BACK THERE IF EVERYTHING'S GOING ON. I MEAN, THE, THE LOT FILLS UP AND THEY GOT FOUR OR FIVE BASEBALL GAMES AND SOCCER GAMES AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE. AND I APPRECIATE TOO THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK WAY BACK THERE WAITING IN LINE FOR 15 MINUTES TO GET OUT. I UNDERSTAND. I I GO THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, THE BASEBALL GAMES AND EVERYTHING ALL LAST SUMMER. EVERY FIELD'S GOING THERE. THERE'S SPOTS BACK THERE ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH. BUT IS THERE A WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT BOTTLENECK? SHOULD WE LOOK AT THAT FIRST? I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE MAYBE JUST THROUGH YOU GOT FENCES AND YOU GOT THE, IT'S TIGHT. IT IS TIGHT. YOU, YOU GOT, YOU GOT INGRESS AND EGRESS LIKE TWO LANES IN AND OUT. AND THEN BURKE ROAD IS VERY NARROW. MM-HMM . WITH OPEN DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES. SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE POP CARS PARKED ON THE GRAVEL, UH, AND ON THE ROADWAY, THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR CARS TO PASS BACK AND FORTH ON THE STREET. SO THAT'S, AND PARENTS WALK WITH THEIR KIDS AND SO ON. SO IT'S KIND, IT'S A, IT'S A CONCERN. IS THERE A WAY TO GO BACK TO THAT FIRST OPTION WITH THE LOT AND ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTS? THE NEW HOMEOWNERS NEED TO STILL HAVE A BUFFER, BUT ALSO INCREASE THE PARKING SOMEHOW. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT LOT AND, OR IT STILL DIDN'T HAVE DO HALF PARKING AND HALF OF BUFFERS ZONE . UH, WE DIDN'T, WE WOULDN'T TAKE THE ENTIRE LOT, BUT THE ENTIRE TREE LINE PARCEL THAT THE TOWN OWNS MM-HMM . WE WOULDN'T TAKE THAT FOR PARKING. WE WOULDN'T TAKE THE [00:25:01] WHOLE THING. SO THERE'S STILL A BUFFER THEN? WELL, THERE IS, BUT, BUT ACCORDING TO, UH, THE ASSOCIATION AND THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT. NOW TOM, YOU AND I WENT TO A MEETING IN OCTOBER AND WE EXPRESSED OUR PREFERENCE FOR THE TREE LINED LOT. THE BOARD SEEMED TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, BUT I THINK AFTER THAT WE LEFT. THEY MUST HAVE CANVASED BETWEEN OCTOBER AND LET'S SAY THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER. THEY MUST HAVE CANVASED THE COMMUNITY AND GOT SOME, 'CAUSE JIM DID MENTION TO ME THAT THERE WERE SOME FOLKS THAT WERE UPSET WITH THE IDEA. YEAH. I GOT A COUPLE CALLS TOO. YEAH, OF COURSE. THEY WERE TOLD IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, REMAIN PARKLAND WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. WELL, YEAH. IT IS PASSIVE PARKLAND. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. SO WE GOTTA MAKE SOME DECISIONS. WELL, I THINK MIKE'S BRINGING UP A REALLY GOOD CONCERN BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT THAT I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SPENDING 75,000 IS THE ISSUE IS ALL THOSE CARS PARKED IN, UM, IN SUCH A HAZARD TO THE CARS GOING BY AS WELL AS ALL THE PEDESTRIANS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG GOAL. SO IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND $75,000 AND EXPAND AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY NOT BEING USED FOR PARKING AND PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA PARK THERE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF THINK IT THROUGH AND SAY, WELL, IF THEY DO THAT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THAT AND NOT PARKING IN THE STREET? AND IF THEY CAN ASSURE US THAT THEY, THAT WHETHER IT BE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA FORCE IT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE BE ONE THING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GOING BACK AND TRYING TO COMPROMISE WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUFFERED ENOUGH THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN BE HAPPY. BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING 'CAUSE I AGREE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO WHERE IT'S EASIEST. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE MAY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT UTILIZED AND WE STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE TO BEGIN WITH. WELL, I GOT AN IDEA. WE WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE UP AGAINST THE TIME CONSTRAINT BECAUSE THE BASEBALL SEASON STARTS IN MAY AND THEN WE'RE INTO SOCCER AND, AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, UH, THERE'S PARKING ALL OVER BURKE ROAD. WHY, UH, WALTER, WHY DON'T WE INVITE, UH, JIM AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, TOM TO COME TO OUR DECEMBER 13TH MEETING AT THE WORK SESSION AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH 'EM AND IRON OUT ANY CONCERNS RIGHT THEN AND THERE. AND THEN INTO THE NEW YEAR, THE BOARD CAN THEN PASS A RESOLUTION, UH, REGARDING EITHER THE TRANSFER OF A PARCEL NEAR THE SHACK OR, UH, THE NECESSARY STEPS TO, TO IMPAIR THAT PASSIVE PARK PLAN WITH A PARTIAL LOT. WHY DON'T WE INVITE THE FOLKS UP AND HAVE A, A TALK WITH 'EM RATHER THAN GET INTO OUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS OR HE SAID, AND SHE SAID, ALRIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS PART OF THIS WHOLE PLAN TO POST, UH, BUR GROWTH FOR NO PARKING? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT. YEP. UH, YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT, UH, ON THE THEORY YOU'D SAY TO PEOPLE, LOOK, I KNOW IT'S INCONVENIENT, BUT WE GOT PARKING IN THAT. WE GOT A LOT BACK THERE. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA. OKAY. BUT I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF MAYBE GETTING THE FOLKS UP HERE AND MAKING SURE THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. AND IN THE MEANTIME, MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND THAT MEETING, IF YOU COULD EMAIL US SOME OF THE CONTACTS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AN ONSITE INSPECTION SO WE CAN JUST KIND OF PHYSICALLY, UH, BE ON SITE TO HAVE THEM EXPLAIN. AND THEN WHEN, WHEN WE MEET WITH 'EM, WE CAN DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL OPTION. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN THE SITE OR THEY WANNA, UM, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING HOMEOWNERS ON BIRTH? NO, THE, UM, THE ASSOCIATION. YEAH, THE ASSOCIATION. OKAY. WELL WE'LL GIVE YOU THE NAMES IF YOU WANT TO CALL 'EM, YOU CAN CALL EM. SURE. THAT'D FINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THE NEXT ITEM, LED STATUS. LEMME GET THIS LATEST THING OUT THERE. UM, WE WERE CONTRACTUALLY BOUND TO PAY, UM, UM, TANKO, UH, $93,000 FOR THE LED INVENTORY OF ALL STREET LIGHTS AND ALL BUILDING LIGHTS. UM, IF IN FACT WE DID NOT ULTIMATELY CONTRACT WITH, UH, TANKO TO GO FORWARD FOR PHASE TWO OF THE INSTALLATION, OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT CONTRACT WITH THEM. TANKO WAS BILLED US LESS THAN THE STATED AMOUNT OF 93,000. WE GOT IN THIRD WEEK OF [00:30:01] OCTOBER A REPORT, AND WE HAD A MEETING, UH, TOM, I THINK YOU WERE THERE, KAMI, UH, I THINK, UH, I FORGET WHO WAS THERE FROM BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, UH, UH, IN ADDITION TO PAT RYAN. BUT AT ANY EVENT, UH, KO HAD NOT COMPLETED TO YOUR SATISFACTION. THE BUILDING AUDIT, UH, A LOT OF LIGHTS WERE NOT CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED AS TO WATTAGES SIZE. IT SEEMED TO HAVE A LOT OF MISSING INFORMATION. SO RATHER THAN SCREW AROUND OR MESS AROUND WITH THEM ANY FURTHER, WE PAID THEM THE ADDITIONAL 6,000 WE OWED THEM, WHICH BROUGHT OUR PAYMENT TO 83,000 AND CHANGE AND TOLD 'EM THAT FROM THIS POINT ON, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ANY MORE TO DO WITH THAT. NOW, UH, UM, WE HAVE ALSO BEEN INFORMED THAT, UH, THE SUBCONTRACTOR ON THE PROJECT, UH, IS, UH, WENDELL. THEY'VE BEEN CHOSEN BY THE CONTRACTOR TO BE THE SUBCONTRACTOR WITH REGARD TO, UH, THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF STREET LIGHTS AND BUILDING LIGHTS. WE ALSO HAVE SENT IN, AS YOU KNOW, IN OCTOBER, AROUND THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER, THE CONTRACTS TO NYSEG FOR THE PURCHASE CONTRACTS ONTO NATIONAL GRID. THEY HAD FROM THAT TIME, 70 DAYS WITHIN WHICH TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS THAT THEY PREPARED, UH, THAT WE SIGNED. AND, UH, THAT'S DUE TO HAPPEN. THEY BOTH COMPANIES SAY ON THE, BETWEEN THE SIXTH AND THE 8TH OF DECEMBER. AT WHICH POINT, UH, WE WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION, UH, TO GET APPROVAL OF THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OF ALL THESE LIGHTS TO THE TOWN, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL HAVE A CLOSING, UH, AN ACTUAL CLOSING WITHIN 30 DAYS FOR THE PSC APPROVAL. AN ACTUAL CLOSING OR TITLE OWNERSHIP TRANSFERS TO US. SO, BY MY ROUGH MATH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE DONE IF ALL GOES ACCORDING TO WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS, SOMETIME IN APRIL 3RD WEEK, FOURTH WEEK OF APRIL, AT WHICH POINT, UH, WE'LL BE READY IN MAY. WE HOPE TO START THE WORK. UH, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR INDICATES THAT IT'S A FOUR TO SIX MONTH PROCESS, SO WE WILL NOT BE DONE. I WAS HOPING FOR LABOR DAY, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET DONE AT LEAST UNTIL PROBABLY OCTOBER OF 2022 IF EVERYTHING GOES SWIMMINGLY. YOU KNOW, IT OFTEN DOESN'T. BUT, BUT IN ANY EVENT, THAT'S THE GAME PLAN. WE BUDGETED IN OUR 2022 BUDGET FOR REDUCED MONTHLY BILLING FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF THE YEAR, 2022 OCTOBER, I'M SORRY, OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN BE OPERATING LED LIGHTS AND HAMBURG IS THE OWNER OF, OF THE FIXTURES. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE ARE. WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEGINNING DECEMBER TO JANUARY TO FEBRUARY TO MARCH, APRIL, EARLY APRIL, APPROVAL FROM THE PSC, MAYBE LATE MARCH. UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA GET THE CLOSING DONE AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA GET INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THE, OF THE INADEQUATE OR INCOMPLETE AUDIT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING LIGHTS, OUR B AND G DEPARTMENT AND OUR CONTRACTOR CAN, CAN DO IT AS THEY GO. SO THEY SAY SO WITHOUT, UH, ADDING TO THE COST OF THE, OF PHASE TWO CONTRACT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AS OF TONIGHT. JIM, IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THE TROY AND BANKS AUDIT? YEAH, UH, THE TROY AND BANKS FOLKS ARE HAVING, UH, SOME DIFFICULTIES DUE TO ILLNESS TO GET THE, UH, COMPLETED WORK PRODUCT FROM NY SAG AND NATIONAL GRID. HOWEVER, UH, THE CEO OF THE COMPANY CALLED TODAY AND LAST WEEK WE TALKED, UH, THEY HOPE TO HAVE A FOUND, THEY FOUND A NUMBER OF ANOMALIES AND THEY HOPE TO HAVE A REPORT TO US BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AS TO WHAT WE GET BACK AND WIN. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. UH, [00:35:01] ALSO TOO, UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO KICK ON, KICK AROUND ON THOSE TOPICS? OKAY. UH, THE SALARY AND WAGE PERSONNEL ISSUES. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, UH, A MEETING SET UP NEXT MONDAY THE SIXTH AS IT RELATES TO JENNIFER KOWSKI AND IS IT JIM COLLINS? I THINK IT'S JIM FOR RECREATION. MARK, MARK COLLINS. I'M SORRY, COLLINS. THEY GOT RAISES, BUT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE WELL ABOVE THE UNION PAY SCALE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR TITLES THAT THEY NOW OCCUPY. WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A NEW TITLE TO KEEP THEM WITHIN THE UNION AND TO REALIZE THE PAY THAT WE BUDGETED TO GIVE EACH OF THEM DURING, UH, THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH WE ADOPTED OF COURSE A COUPLE WEEKS BACK. SO THAT'S THE STORY. CHUCK, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? NO, JUST THAT, UH, EACH OF THESE POSITIONS ARE CONTAINED, UH, IN THE, UH, UNION CONTRACTOR SPECIFIED AND WE'RE SUPPOSED BOUND BY THAT CONTRACT UNLESS THE CF NEGOTIATE SOMETHING OTHERWISE, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ON THE SIXTH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WAS THERE A, UH, OTHER THAN MR, I THOUGHT MR. COLLINS WAS MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL? WELL, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. APPARENTLY HE GOT SLIPPED ONTO THE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL STATUS AND PUT ON BACK IN MAY. AND I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE IF HE WAS ON PRIOR TO THAT INSTANCE OR NOT. ALRIGHT. BUT IT DID SHOW UP IN MAY AND IT SH THERE'S A, ITS SPECIFIC TITLE WITHIN THE CSEA WHITE COLLAR CONTRACT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A UNION POSITION RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. I MEAN, A PERSON CAN OPT NOT TO, UH, JOIN THE UNION AND PAY DUES. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE STILL BOUND. WE'RE STILL BOUND TO THE CONTRACT PROVISIONS BY THE JAN DECISION AND THE TAYLOR LAW AS TO HOW WAS BEEN, UH, IMPLEMENTED AND AMENDED TO COUNCIL JAN DECISION. YEAH. OKAY. UH, AND WAS THERE, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO EMPLOYEES WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UH, IN TERMS OF BEING PAID OUTSIDE OF THEIR GRADE? AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES. YEAH. OKAY. CAROL, WERE THERE ANY, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU KNOW OF? I DON'T THINK SO. I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLAN WAS TO TALK ABOUT IT OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS BEING PAID OUT OF TITLE. WELL, WE HAVE, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S A VALID, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RECORD TIME. YEAH. OH, YEAH. YEAH. WELL, LISTEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T WANNA MENTION ANY NAMES, BUT, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GUILTY OF ANY KNOWING VIOLATIONS OF OUR WORK RULES OR OUR AGREEMENTS. BUT AS YOU KNOW, OUT OF TITLE PAY MEANS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS ABSENT AND, UH, AN ASSISTANT FILLS IN AND TAKES OVER THE DUTIES FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THAT ASSISTANT GETS PAID AT THE RATE OF PAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WOULD'VE BEEN PAID. SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS NOT ABSENT. THIS, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THIS PARTICULAR EMPLOYEE, HIS TITLED IS A REC ATTENDANT YEAH. EMPLOYEE SOME TIME AGO A CLERK WITHIN THE REC DEPARTMENT RETIRED. YEAH. AND RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE LIST AND FILL IN THE POSITION WITH THE CLERK, THIS WRECK WAS PUT INTO WORKING AS A CLERK YEAH. AND WORKING OUT TITLE. SO SPEAK. AND NOW THERE WAS PROPOSALS APPARENTLY ADOPTED IN THE BUDGET TO GIVE HER A STEND OR INCREASE HER PAY IN THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH JUST COMPOUNDS THE, THE ISSUE THAT RIGHT. THAT CAME IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU CAN'T PAY THE UNION A MEMBER A STIPEND, BUT RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S THE SECOND ASPECT OF THIS PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND SO WE GOTTA DEAL WITH THAT ON THE SIXTH ALSO, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. NOW, UH, JUST TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT, WE GOT TWO PEOPLE, TWO RESOLUTIONS ON TONIGHT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. KATHLEEN MORLOCK TO CARRY OVER THREE DAYS OF HER VACATION INTO NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. THAT'S ONE OF 'EM. SHE ANTICIPATES A RETIREMENT IN 2022 SALENTO. I DUNNO IF THAT'S TRUE. UM, THE PO THE, THE WHITE COLLAR CONTRACT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BLUE. THE WHITE COLLAR CHUCK SAYS THAT IF THE BOARD APPROVES IN THIS CASE MS. MORELOCKS THREE DAY REQUEST, THAT'S IT. YEAH. IT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO APPROVE IT. IT, IT, UM, IT, IT FURTHER STATES THAT, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT IT IS WITH BOARD APPROVAL, YOU CAN CARRY IT OVER. RIGHT. THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, SHE COULD HAVE ALSO, I THINK SHE COULD ALSO SELL IT, UH, IF SHE WOULD'VE GOT HER REQUESTED BY DECEMBER 1ST, SHE COULD SELL IT IN THE YEAR SHE ACCRUED. YES. SHE CAN'T, SHE CAN'T HOLD IT AND SELL IT LATER. CAN SHE? UH, SHE RETIRES AND SHE STILL HAS IT ACCRUED AND SHE'LL BE PAID OUT FOR YOU HIGHER RATE? YES. OKAY. WELL THAT, THAT EXPLAINS THE RATIONALE FOR THE [00:40:01] PAY OUT. THE HIGHER RATE IS BE BETTER THAN PAID OUT THE LOWER RATE. I GET IT. OKAY. AND THE OTHER ONE IS MY BUDDY MR. HU. UM, MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL. WHAT'S THE EX WHAT'S THE, UH, RULE ON THAT ONE? UH, THEY, THEY CAN SELL OR THEY CAN ROLL OVER TWO WEEKS APPROVAL OF THE BOARD. MM-HMM . OR, UH, THEY COULD ALSO SOLVE THAT TIME IF THEY GET THEIR REQUESTED BY DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. SO, UH, CHRIS WOULD BE ENTITLED TO TWO WEEKS IF YOU WANTED TO ROLL OVER TWO WEEKS INTO THE NEW YEAR. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIALITY REGULATIONS THAT MAY SAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT STUFF. UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA DISCUSS, FOLKS THAT WE'LL GET INTO THE AGENDA? ANYTHING ELSE? ALL A REGULAR AGENDA. UM, IF YOU WANNA, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, UH, ON CANNABIS. LOOKS LIKE CONSUMPTION LOUNGES AND RETAIL DISPENSARIES. UH, WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN. YOU WANT TO KICK THAT AROUND? YOU'RE WELCOME ON TWO, IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL I HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME TOO. I DON'T CARE ANYBODY. HOW IS THAT, UM, IS THAT DECISION GONNA BE MADE TONIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING? I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY. WE, UM, WE, WE GENERALLY THAT'S, WE GENERALLY GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO KICK AROUND STUFF AND WE GENERALLY WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE 13TH. OKAY. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO, THE BOARD ALL WANTED TO GO FORWARD TONIGHT, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. YOU, BUT I DON'T CARE EITHER, EITHER WAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GENERALLY DO. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? ARE WE GONNA LIGHT UP OR NOT? WELL, I THINK THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IS THAT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IF, IF WE DO NOTHING AND WE'RE OPTED IN, WE, WE HAVE NO RECOURSE DOWN THE ROAD. UM, ESPECIALLY IF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS RECEIVED BY OPTING OUT. NOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY LATER ON TO OPT BACK TO OPT IN. YOU DOES. SO THE ONE GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. THE ONE THE OTHER DOES NOT GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT OPTION, IF, IF WE WERE TO OPT OUT THAT OPTION TO OPT BACK IN? UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING ON THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN? IS THAT IT, IT SEEMED TO READ LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE A YEAR. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A, A TIMEFRAME THAT IT WASN'T JUST A, AN OPEN ENROLLMENT SORT OF THING. AND YET I DIDN'T FIND A DATE. WALTER, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ON THAT? I TALKED TO THE ASSOCIATION HOUSE TODAY ABOUT THAT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE ON THAT. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GUIDANCE THAT'S LACKING AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT, UM, DIFFICULT EVEN FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, AS THEY ASK QUESTIONS GOING FORWARD. IT'S DIFFICULT, WHICH MIGHT BE ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF, OF OPTING OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT'S, I THAT'S WHY HAVING PUBLIC INPUT IS IMPORTANT. MM-HMM . WELL, OKAY. UH, ANYBODY ELSE? I PREFER, YEAH, I PREFER TO WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY AND ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HEAR AN HOUR. OKAY. LITTLE LESS THAN AN HOUR. OKAY. WE, WE HAD TOO MANY ATTACHMENTS THERE. WELL, THE NEXT THING IS, UH, I THINK WAS ECHO PARK ON THE AGENDA. YEP. YEAH. ECHO PARKINSON OF ZONING. UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? YEAH, SARAH, SARAH'S HERE SHE WAS GONNA ADDRESS. YEAH, I THINK SO. AND I THINK, UH, WE WOULD ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU FOLKS, BUT I, I'M, I'M FAVORABLY IMPRESSED. I THINK IT'S A GOOD, A GOOD THING FOR THE TOWN. UM, SARAH, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO, UH, TO OUR DELIBERATIONS HERE? NO, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A PLANNING BOARD. THE COURT. YEP. THEY WERE [00:45:01] VERY FAVORABLE, ESPECIALLY AFTER, UH, THE APPLICANT SPOKE WITH MARTY EE AND AGREED TO GIVE SOME MONEY TO THAT UHHUH ORCHARD. THE ORCHARD AVENUE PLAYGROUND. THAT'S THE REFURBISHMENT OF THAT. YEAH. YES. THE ONE THAT'S JUST EASTERN MALL, RIGHT? ORCHARD ACRES. ORCHARD ACRES, YEAH. YOU GUYS, AS PART OF YOUR PROCESS THOUGH, WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH A MIND THEY SHOULD GET. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD YOU WELL, YEAH. AFTER, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT NOW. WE DO THAT AFTER THEY CAN. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, RIGHT? ANYBODY, ANYBODY WITH MORE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ONE? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. NOW THE NEXT ONE IS THE KARA CAR KEROUAC, UH, RESOLVING REQUEST ON LAKEVIEW ROAD. UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, THE RESOLVE IS TO HAVE THE, UH, UH, TOWN, UH, TOWN BOARD ACT AS THE LEAGUE AGENCY AND ALSO REFER THIS REQUEST TO THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, SARAH, THIS IS, UM, OUR OLD FRIEND MR. TON'S PARCELS ON LAKEVIEW ROAD, RIGHT? YES. AND THESE, THIS PARTICULAR ETHICAL WANTS TO DO, WANTS TO, UH, AN R ONE DESIGNATION AND ONE OF THE THREE LOTS. COULD YOU ELABORATE? RIGHT. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE LOTS, SO THIS PROPERTY'S NOW BEEN DIVIDED CLAIM BOARD DATED APPROVAL TO BE DIVIDED WHEN MR. MONKEY DIES, UHHUH ONE LOT IS WHERE MONKEY'S BUSINESS IS. THE SECOND LOT, THE MIDDLE LOT IS, UH, HIS SISTER'S RESIDENTIAL HOME, UHHUH, . AND THE THIRD LOT IS VACANT. AND I GUESS THERE WERE THREE KIDS. SO THE THIRD CHILD GOT THE VACANT LOT AND HE SOLD IT TO THIS COUPLE. UH, AND THEY WANNA BUILD A HOME OR TWO HOMES ON IT. SO I THINK THE TOWN WILL PREFER THAT THEY REZONE THE RA, BUT THEY DON'T WANT, THEY WANT REZONE TO R ONE SO THAT, THAT THEY CAN ATTEMPT TO THEN I THINK GET SOME OF THE MONEY BACK THAT THEY PAID FOR. THEY DON'T NEED THE WHOLE SITES TO IT. WELL, HOW WOULD OUR, IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, HOW WOULD THE RA BENEFIT THEM? I DON'T GET IT. WELL, IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY RESOUNDED TO RA, THEY'D PUT ONLY PUT ONE HOUSE ON THERE. OKAY. WITHOUT, WITHOUT A ANCE. THEY, I DUNNO IF THEY GET MARRIED. I SEE. IF IT GOES TO R ONE, THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR. I SEE. I SEE. AND I GUESS THE, THE ARGUMENT IS YOU WOULD PREFER RA, BUT IT'S C TWO RIGHT NOW AND IT'S VACANT AND IT'S, THEY CAN'T MM-HMM . AFFORD TO KEEP IT AND BUILD ONE HOUSE ON IT AND THEY SELL IT TO A C TWO USER. YEAH. I SEE. LIKE IT, SO, YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, WE NEED TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY AND THEN REFER IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEWS. RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. GET IT. HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS THERE? UH, STER? DO YOU KNOW? IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES. JUST SHY OF TWO. OKAY. SO THE TWO, TWO LOTS OF WINE ACRE EACH YEAH. IN AN R ONE THAT'S, WE ONLY NEED ABOUT A THIRD OF IT. YEAH. SO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND GET SPLIT. BUT, AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE AREA, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SEVERAL LOTS AROUND THERE THAT ARE NOT TWO ACRES. NOT EVERY EVERYBODY, BUT THERE ARE SOME. ALRIGHT. ANY, ANYTHING, ANY MORE ON THAT, FOLKS? OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS THE PUD. UH, THEY WANT IT AMENDED. SARAH, TELL, TELL US ABOUT THIS ONE. UM, THERE'S A, A PEOPLE INC. THIS IS JOCELYN BOSS. SHE'S HERE FROM PEOPLE INC. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A PROJECT ON PART OF THE BRIGHTWOOD PUD THAT I BELIEVE WAS EARMARKED FOR MULTIFAMILY YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE P [00:50:01] UM, BUT IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS PROJECT GO FORWARD, THEY WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE PUD TO ALLOW FOR THAT USE. SO IT'LL BE A LONG, YOU KNOW, A LONG-ISH PROCESS. MM-HMM . BUT, UM, THIS WOULD START THE PROCESS, REFER IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, GET SOME INPUT FROM HER MOM. ALRIGHT. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, UM, A PROPOSED SITE PLAN? YEAH. SO WHAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD. THEY'VE GOTTA DO A PRETTY DETAILED STUDY TO AMEND THE PUD AS AS APPROVED. OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU AMEND THE PUD, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLANNING. I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU SAY? IF YOU AMEND THE PUD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? EVERYBODY ALRIGHT WITH THIS? YEP. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU DOING, JOCELYN? OKAY. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, BETH NUMBER NINE IS YOURS. YES. THIS IS ANNUAL TRAINING. OKAY. BEFORE TOOK PLACE. OKAY. FUNDING THAT. THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD STUFF. YES SIR. THAT'S AN ANNUAL OCCURRENCE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE I THINK IS OUR BUDDY CHRIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ACCORDING TO THE, ACCORDING TO THE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL WORK RULES, IT'S A TWO WEEK AS OPPOSED TO A THREE WEEK CARRYOVER. SO WE MAYBE HAVE TO AMEND THAT. SORRY, CHRIS. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? LADIES AND JENS. SO THAT WOULD BE, SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO CARRYOVER OF 10 DAYS. WELL, TWO WEEKS IS, UH, 10 BUSINESS DAYS. CHUCK AT 15 DAYS IS THREE BUSINESS THREE WEEKS. OH, THREE WORK WEEKS. YEAH. RIGHT. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO, CAN WE, I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO, WELL, THE BOARD'S RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW YEAH. COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WAS PUT IN. THAT'S, THAT'S THE RULE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MAY, CONTINUED IN MAY, UH, IN THE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL REGULATION. SO RIGHT. MORE RESOLUTION. IF YOU WANNA PASS A RESOLUTION AND MAKE AN EXCEPTION, YOU COULD DO THAT. I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD, UH, IS THAT THAT WAS PASSED IN MAY, SO HALF OF THE YEAR WENT BY AGAIN. GOING FORWARD, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. WELL, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS CONTINUATION. I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IS THAT, WAS THAT THE SAME PREVIOUSLY IT WAS ONLY 10 DAYS OR? YES. DID IT ALLOW FOR, HAD TWO WEEKS? IS THE VERBIAGE, HAVE WE ALLOWED MORE THAN TWO WEEKS IN THE PAST AT ALL? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T, I CAN'T RECALL. I, I REALLY DUNNO ENOUGH. I DUNNO. CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. MM-HMM . CHRIS, DO YOU KNOW, HAVE WE IN THE PAST, CHRIS, I KNOW WE'VE, IT THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU DO AND WITH ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU DO, I KNOW, WE KNOW WE'VE HAD TO CARRY OVER. SO I HATE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 15 DAYS AND SAYING HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN TO 10. I MEAN, IN THE PAST, WHAT TYPICALLY CARRIED OVER, I'M SORRY, IN THE PAST, WHAT HAVE YOU TYPICALLY CARRIED OVER? UH, TRIED TO USE IT IN PAST. MM-HMM. BUT, UH, THIS YEAR WAS KIND OF A RIGHT STRETCH IN OUR DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . I WAS ON MEDICAL FOR A MONTH AND ANOTHER ON FAMILY MEDICAL FOR OVER THREE MONTHS. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S A SPECIAL SITUATION HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY HAD TO CANCEL MY SUMMER VACATION. RIGHT. AND SO FOR THEN CHRIS TO BE PENALIZED FOR AT TIME STEPPING IN, I WAS THE ONE THERE MOST OF THE SUMMER. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK, UM, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY YOU REALLY WANNA STICK BY THE RULES. RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE, AND WITH COVID, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF MEDICAL SITUATIONS. EXACTLY. UM, IN, IN KNOWING CHRIS'S DEPARTMENT AND HIS DEDICATION FOR ALL THESE YEARS, I THINK, UH, THE, THE FIVE DAYS IS A, IS A, IS A REASONABLE ASK UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. UM, SO I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT KEEPING IT 15, 15 DAYS OF CARRY OVER. IS THAT, IS THERE ANY ISSUE AGAIN, GIVEN, AGAIN, AGAIN, THE REGULATIONS ARE ADOPTED BY THE BOARD. THE BOARD CAN ALWAYS TAKE DISCUSSIONS MM-HMM . BY RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION IS PASSED AS AN EXCEPTION. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT BOUND BY IT AS A BOARD THAT BINDS THE EMPLOYEES AND THE ADMINISTRATORS. BUT YOU, YOU AS A BOARD CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS OR CHANGE IT ANY TIME YOU WANT. AND I THINK THIS IS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE GIVEN THE SITUATION, THIS IS DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO [00:55:01] CARRY OVER THE 15 DAYS OF VACATION THAT HE IS ENTITLED TO. LET'S MAKE THE EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE THE BAD GUY. CHRIS IS NOT. I'VE KNOWN CHRIS SINCE HE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD, CARRY OVER IN SECOND GRADE. HIS MOTHER AND DAD, GREAT BUDDIES OF MINE. 33. AND IT PROBABLY HASN'T COME UP OFTEN WHERE THIS YEAH, YOUR MOM AND DAD WERE GREAT BUDDIES OF MINE. I I'M NOT GONNA THROW A FLY IN THE OINTMENT HERE, BUT I WANNA JUST CAUTION THE BOARD. I'LL BE GONE IN A MONTH. SO WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU DO TOO MANY EXCEPTIONS TO THESE RULES IS NO GOOD. EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS CLAIMED TO BE EXTENUATING. THAT AIN'T SO EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE MAY BE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. THEY'RE NOT ALL EXTENUATING. THE WHITE COLLAR CONTRACT ON VACATION TIME IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BLUE, DIFFERENT THAN THE POLICE CONTRACT. DIFFERENT THAN MANAGERIAL, CONFIDENTIAL. IF WE BEGIN TO ALLOW EVERYBODY WHO'S GOT SOME STORY ABOUT MY AUNT GOT SICK, OR THE DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK, I NEED TWO WEEKS TO CARRY OVER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, A VACATION POLICY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH. AND THAT'S THE DANGER. WE'VE GOT CIRCUMSTANCE WITH THE BLUE COLLARS WHERE WE'VE GOT FOLKS TRYING TO CARRY OVER VACATION TIME FOR TWO AND THREE YEARS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CONTRACT PROVIDES. SO I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO HURT MY BUDDY IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO HELP. CHRIS, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I JUST AS, AS A PARTING GESTURE BEFORE I BECOME A CIVILIAN, UH, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS EXTENUATING TO SOME EXTENT. ALRIGHT. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE, MAYBE WE'LL MAKE A MOTION. THE, THE LAST ONE IS THE TOP BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE, OH YEAH. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. HAVE YOU GOT ATTACHED HERE? I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OH WAIT. A I GOT BUSINESS FROM A FLOOR NUMBER LEVEL. OH, OKAY. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'RE THE AGENDA. OH, ALRIGHT. RIGHT. THE AGENDA. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME ONE THAT WAS EMAILED. YEAH. ALRIGHT. IT'S JUST THE MAKE SURE NOBODY ALRIGHT. I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. ALRIGHT. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION AND WE WILL CONVENE AT SEVEN. BE HOW'S THAT? SECOND? ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? SAY A MOTION [01:35:50] TREE. [01:35:50] VOLUNTEER [01:35:51] FIRE [01:35:51] COMPANY. [01:35:52] FOR [01:35:52] YEARS [01:35:52] AND [01:35:52] YEARS, SHE WAS ACTUALLY ON OUR SENIOR CITIZEN ADVISOR. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. NICELY. READY TO GO? YEAH. READY TO GO. READY. ALRIGHT. UM, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? SUPERVISOR SHAW? HERE. COUNCILMAN HOPE. HERE. COUNCILMAN KALEY? HERE. COUNCILMAN FERRELL? HERE. COUNCILMAN PETRI HERE. THANK YOU. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WOULD YOU RISE FOR ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR WHICH A STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY GENESIS TRIAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, LET US JUST, UH, CALL THE QUESTION OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. RESOLVE THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS AS FOLLOWS. 10 25 20 21 TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION 11 15, 20 21. TOWN BOARD, REGULAR MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, I MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE OPEN UP, UH, THE MEETING FOR A SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADULT USE, CANNABIS, RETAIL DISPENSARIES AND ONSITE CONSUMPTION, UH, LOCAL LAW. UH, I DON'T KNOW, BETH, UH, YOU, YOU'RE THE SPONSOR OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO READ THE LOCAL LAW NECESSARILY, IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED, BUT, UH, WALTER, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD READ IT? WE DON'T HAVE TO. I AGREE WITH YOU ELSE. OKAY, FINE. DO YOU NEED A SECOND ON THAT OPENING? YES. YES, I DO. SECOND FROM, UH, BELL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSS THE QUESTION BEFORE US, WHICH IS WHETHER THE TOWN WOULD OPT OUT OF THE PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW RELATIVE TO, UH, PERMITTING, UH, THE USE OF CANNABIS ON ONSITE CONSUMPTION LOUNGES OR PARLORS OR, OR DEPOTS AND ON SITE CONSUMPTION, UH, DISTRIBUTION OR DISPENSARY CENTERS. IF WE OPT OUT, THEN, UH, UH, WE'RE PRECLUDED FROM HAVING SUCH USES FUNCTIONING WITHIN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. IF WE DO NOT OPT OUT, THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF LOOKING AT EITHER ONSITE CONSUMPTION OR DISPENSARY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. UH, SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, UH, LET ME OPEN IT UP TO, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK ON THE QUESTION? GIE PLEASE GO AHEAD. WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? THANK DAUGHTERS GRACE. I RESIDE AT 41 61 GLEN DRIVE IN HAMBURG. I THINK PASSING OF THIS BILL IS THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD OF. IF SMOKING IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH, WHY ARE WE ENCOURAGE YOU PEOPLE TO BUY MARIJUANA AND SMOKE? ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW EMPLOYEES ON THEIR BREAK TO GO OUTSIDE, SMOKE A WEED, COME BACK IN, MAYBE UNDER THE INFLUENCE IF THEY'RE WORKING WITH A DRIVING A VEHICLE? YOU SEE SIGNS OF THE NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY TWO 19 AND OTHER STATE HIGHWAYS TELLING YOU DRIVE HIGH, GET A DUI. I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN COLORADO AND IN CANADA, AND THERE'S ACCIDENTS ALMOST DAILY IN TORONTO. THEIR AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE HAS GONE UP 25%. I THINK IT IS DUMB. THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY, THANKS AGIE. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANYBODY ELSE? DON'T BE BASHFUL. YES, MA'AM. I, BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS SPEAKER, I'M PAT VIC. I [01:40:01] LIVE ON ELECTRIC AVENUE IN HAMBURG, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF NAMI, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON MENTAL ILLNESS. AND WE TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE, UH, CORRELATION BETWEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG DRUG USE. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE FACTS, AND THESE ARE FROM JOURNALS, AND I'M NOT MAKING ANY OF THIS UP. SO THE CANVAS PLANT OF 1960S HAD A MAXIMUM 3% POTENCY OF THC. THAT'S THE MINE ALTERING, UM, INGREDIENT. HOWEVER, THE COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED GENETICALLY MODIFIED CAMPUS OF TODAY IS FAR MORE POTENT. UH, THAT'S A STUDY ON WORLD PSYCHIATRY. THE AVERAGE US POTENCY REACHED 12% BY 2014. MEANWHILE, THE LEVELS OF CA OF THE CBD, WHICH CON COUNTERACTS THE THCS, UM, EFFECT IN THE BRAIN, UH, HAS DECREASED. SO THE, UM, THE RATIO BETWEEN THE TO CBD, IT WAS 14 TIMES IN 1995, BUT IT'S 80 TIMES IN 2014. SO THERE'S FOUR MAJOR, UH, AREAS OF HEALTH CONCERN VERSUS HARM TO DEVELOPING GAUSE WHEN MOTHERS CONSUME MARIJUANA WHILE PREGNANT. SOME, UH, 7% PREGNANT WHEN MOTHERS, UH, REPORTED USING MARIJUANA FOR NAUSEA. RESEARCHERS AT OUR WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY AND ST. LOUIS FOUND CHILDREN WHOSE MOTHERS CONSUME CANNABIS WHILE PREGNANT ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOP A PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER IN MIDDLE CHILDHOOD DAMAGE DONE NUMBER DO DAMAGE DONE TO DEVELOPING ADOLESCENT AND YOUNG ADULT BRAIN, WHICH ISN'T FULLY DEVELOPED UNTIL 25 OR 26. NUMBER THREE, THE INCREASED POTENCY AND NUMBER OF REGULAR USERS RAISES THE NUMBER OF ADOLESCENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS AT RISK OF DEVELOPING SCHIZOPHRENIA IN CANNABIS USE DISORDER. ABOUT 30% OF REGULAR CANNABIS USERS DEVELOPED THIS DISORDER. AND IN A NEW STUDY FROM DENMARK, IT FOUND THAT IN 1995, 2% OF SCHIZOPHRENIA DIAGNOSES IN THE COUNTRY WERE ASSOCIATED WITH . IN 2000, IT INCREASED TO 4%, AND IN 2010, THE FIGURE INCREASED TO 8%. NOW, IN MY SMALL AND IN A COUPLE GROUPS, BUT MY SMALL FAMILY GROUP, NON SUPPORT GROUP, 14 PEOPLE, TWO CHILDREN WERE DIAGNOSED WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA AFTER BEGINNING TO SMOKE MARIJUANA. THAT'S JUST THAT SMALL GROUP. UH, NUMBER FOUR, THE FACT THERE'S NO EXISTING TESTS POLICE OFFICERS CAN LEGALLY ADMINISTER TO DETERMINE WHETHER SOMEONE IS DRIVING WHILE HIGH, INCREASING THE RISK TO THE PUBLIC. THEY GET TAUGHT HOW TO LOOK AND SEE, BUT IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE AND NOTHING THAT IS UP IN COURT. AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MANY ECONOMIC BENEFITS FROM THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS. AND IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THAT PEOPLE COME TO OUR TOWN TO PURCHASE MARIJUANA PRODUCTS WITH STATE OF BROWSE SHOPS AND FREQUENT LOCAL BUSINESSES. MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN MICHIGAN AND WE'VE BEEN ON TO THOSE LITTLE TOWNS WHERE THEY PUT THESE DISPENSARIES IN AND THEY, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE IT'S JUST PEOPLE PULL IN. THEY, IT'S LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW. THIS IS WHAT I WANT. THEN THEY DRIVE OUT AND THEN THEY GO AND HANG OUT AT THE HOUSES TO, TO HAVE A PARTY. SO I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TO OPT OUT BECAUSE, UM, WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY LIVE IN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANYONE ELSE? LADIES? JILL? HELLO? YES, SIR. UH, JAMES BOXING. I LIVE AT, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE IN HAMBURG. UM, THANKS, THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING THIS MEETING. I THINK IT'S AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUE. UM, AND, UH, SO TO HAVE A DEDICATED TIME FOR RESIDENTS TO EXPRESS CONCERNS IS JUST SO IMPORTANT. UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK TO START OUT WITH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE LAW HAS BEEN PASSED AND CANNABIS STATEWIDE IS GOING TO BE, OR IS LEGAL AT THIS POINT. AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW IS THIS COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY, GOING TO PREPARE FOR THAT REALITY? AND THE STATE LAW ACTUALLY PUTS A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE FOR US TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT HOW WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO RESPOND TO THIS, THIS NEW REALITY. AND YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT CANNABIS RIGHT NOW IS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S, IT'S UNREGULATED AND IT'S, AND IT'S ILLEGAL. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TO PROVIDE A COMMON SENSE FRAMEWORK SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN, CAN DEVELOP A RESPONSE TO THIS NEW LAW. AND, UH, SO I THINK IT IS, I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, UM, THAT THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS LAW AND IT RAISES A [01:45:01] LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND I FEEL THOSE VERY PERSONALLY. YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I ARE RAISING OUR TWO YOUNG KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND, UM, AND SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE, TO THE POSSIBILITY OF HOW THIS MIGHT CHANGE THINGS. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND THERE'S A COUPLE CONCERNS THAT ARE PARAMOUNT IN MY MIND. ONE IS, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. IS IT GONNA CHANGE THE, THE BUSINESS DI DISTRICTS OF OUR COMMUNITY? AND IS IT GONNA PRESENT RISKS TO OUR CHILDREN? AND WHAT I SEE WHEN I HEAR THIS, WHEN I WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE LAW, IS THAT A FRAMEWORK IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED, AND IT'S NOT A, AND IT'S A DETAILED FRAMEWORK THAT SAYS THIS IS THE STATE'S RESPONSE TO THOSE CONCERNS. AND SO I JUST WANNA, UH, HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE, MIGHT NOT LEAP TO THE SURFACE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS MARIJUANA, IS CANNABIS GOOD OR BAD OR, OR OTHERWISE? AND THE STATE HAS PUT A LAW IN PLACE THAT, THAT ALLOWS THIS COMMUNITY TO DEFINE THE WAYS IN WHICH CANNABIS WILL BE PRESENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO, AND FORGIVE ME FOR LOOKING AT MY NOTES. UM, SO TOWN INPUT IS BUILT INTO THE LICENSURE PROCESS. SO, SO, SO AT THE OUTSET, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL THE REGULATIONS COME OUT FROM THE STATE. AND THEN WE PUT OUR REGULATIONS IN PLACE AT A LOCAL LEVEL. SO IT'S NOT AS IF THE GATES ARE GONNA FLOOD OPEN AND SUDDENLY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT. WE DEFINE THE PARAMETERS OF ITS PRESENCE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN IT BUILT INTO THE LAW. YOU HAVE THIS FRAMEWORK WHERE, OH, YOU KNOW, XY BUSINESS OR INDIVIDUAL IS GONNA APPLY FOR A LICENSE TO OPERATE THIS KIND OF BUSINESS, BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WELL, THE BOARD HAS, HAS TO BE NOTIFIED. THE BOARD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. AND IF THE, AND IF THE STATE LEVEL ENTITY THAT GRANTS OR DENIES THE LICENSE HAS A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION, IF THEY DISAGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD, THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT, THAT THAT WHY THEY TOOK THAT DECISION. THE STATUTES EXPRESSLY SAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO DEFINE THE TIME, THE PLACE AND THE MANNER IN WHICH THESE CANNABIS BUSINESSES WILL OPERATE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING STRUCTURE, WE'RE TALKING LIGHTING APPEARANCE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CONGREGATION RESTRICTIONS, SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS TOWN BOARD AND ITS RESIDENTS TO HAVE A SAY ABOUT HOW, WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE. AND SO THESE AREN'T REGULATIONS THAT ARE GONNA COME OUT OR HAVEN'T BEEN PROMULGATED YET. THIS IS THE STATUTE. AND, AND, AND SO WHATEVER REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT POTENTIALLY WAIT FOR THE STATUTE ITSELF ALREADY SAYS THIS TIME, PLACE AND MANNER IS GONNA BE UP TO YOU GUYS. AND THE ZONING COURT, THE CONCERN ABOUT CHILDREN, WHICH I, I, LIKE I SAID, I FEEL VERY PERSONALLY RESTRICTIONS ARE EXPRESSLY WRITTEN INTO THE STATUTE THAT SAY ADVERTISING THAT IS TAR, THAT TARGETS CHILDREN IS COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE, WHICH I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO IS THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, UH, DRAIN OF LAW ENFORCEMENT RESOURCES. AND ANOTHER ONE I WANNA STRIKE THERE IS THAT ANY TAX REVENUES THAT ARE BROUGHT IN BY THIS, BY THIS RESOURCE ARE DISCRETIONARY TO THE TOWN. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OH, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL DRAIN? YOU KNOW, THEN THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THOSE RESOURCES SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO A NEED THAT HAS DEVELOPED, OR IF THAT NEED HASN'T DEVELOPED, THEY CAN GO TO SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE OTHERWISE WOULD PAY FOR. UM, AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE LAWS PASSED, UM, 15 STATES IN THIS COUNTRY, UH, AND, AND THE ENTIRE, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA AND, AND ALL OF CANADA HAVE LEGALIZED, UH, MARIJUANA. IT LIVES IN STATES WHERE IT HAS BEEN LEGALIZED. YOU KNOW, THE SKY HAS NOT FALLEN. BUT I DON'T SAY THAT FLIPPANTLY BECAUSE I GENUINELY THINK THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR RAMIFICATIONS, LIKE THE MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY THE ADDICTION THAT, THAT, UH, MY FELLOW RESIDENTS HAVE RAISED. UM, BUT I THINK THE TIME IS NOW TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT SOMETHING AND RATHER THAN WAIT TO BE REACTIVE BECAUSE THE FRAMEWORK IS IN PLACE FOR US TO, TO DO SO IN A THOUGHTFUL MANNER. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANYBODY ELSE? FEEL FREE. YES, YES. GO AHEAD. . [01:50:01] IN MY CAREER, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AT A DRUG REHAB CENTER. AND WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE, HOW DID THEY START ON HEROIN AND ALL THE OTHER JUNK THAT THEY WERE THERE FOR? ALL STARTED WITH MARIJUANA, WASN'T GIVING 'EM A HIGH ENOUGH. UH, AFTER THEY WERE DOING IT FOR THREE, FOUR MONTHS, THEY NEEDED ANOTHER KICK. EASY WAY IS PROACTIVE OR REACTIVE. JUST DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, HUGGIE? NO, THAT'S IT. ANYTHING ELSE, LADIES AND GENTS? YES. YES, MA'AM. UM, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF MARIJUANA, YOU'RE THINKING OF PROBABLY SMOKING A JOINT OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. YOU SHOULD SEE THE PACKETS OF CANDY THAT THEY DISPENSE. THEIR GUMMY BEARS, THEIR LITTLE FISH, THEIR CHOCOLATE MINTS. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS A KID. I KNOW WHAT WAS ON THE CORNERS. I KNEW IT WAS IN THE PARKS. YOUR PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE THESE, AND YOUR LITTLE KIDS ARE DEFINITELY GONNA GET THEM. 'CAUSE THEY'LL BE HANGING IN THE PARKS WHERE THE KIDS ARE BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO GO. THE YOUNGER KIDS WILL GET THEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 21, WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERYBODY PROBABLY DRANK BEFORE THEY WERE 18. HERE IT'S VERY, IT'S SCARY BECAUSE IT'S SO, UM, IT LOOKS SO GOOD TO A LITTLE KID. OH, GIVE ME SOME CANDY. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST SMOKING A JOINT. THEY DON'T HAVE JUST LEAVES THAT YOU GOT THERE IS AN ARRAY. IT'S LIKE A CANDY STORE WHEN YOU GO TO THESE PLACES. OKAY. THAT'S IT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS SUSAN AND I LIVE AT TWO 18 HILL DRIVE, AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD LET KIDS BUY MARIJUANA THAT I KNOW. I'VE HEARD FRIENDS SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE YOUR MARIJUANA AND THEN YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH HIGH, THEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING STRONGER, THEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH HIGH, THEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING STRONGER. YOU DON'T WANNA START THAT CYCLE. A LOT OF MOTHERS AND FATHERS, THEY BOTH WORK AND THE KIDS ARE HOME MAYBE FOR AN HOUR OR TWO WITHOUT THE MOTHER OR FATHER BEING THERE BECAUSE MOM IS WORKING FULL TIME. DAD IS WORKING FULL TIME. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT MARIJUANA AND STUFF LIKE THAT AROUND. I NEVER TOOK DRUGS, BUT I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO TOOK DRUGS AND THEY TOLD ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND ANY OTHER? YES, MA'AM. I'M CALLING AND I LIVE AT 4 7 5 BAYVIEW, BUT I ALSO AM A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE HAMBURG DRUG COALITION COMMITTEE. UM, AND I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY STRUGGLE WITH, UM, KIDS, AGAIN WITH THE YOUNG ADULTS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE HERE FROM, UM, COLLEGE, WE JUST SORT OF CAME TO ALSO OBSERVE. UM, BUT I'M SURE THAT IT, I DON'T WANNA PUT THEM ON THE SPOT, BUT THEY'RE YOUNG STUDENTS. THEY PROBABLY COULD ALSO, UM, SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS. AND I'M SORRY TO THE GENTLEMAN, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? UH, JAMES. JAMES. UM, I HAVE TO DITTO SOME OF WHAT JAMES HAD, UM, SPOKEN TO. I THINK WORKING IN THE FIELD OF HUMAN SERVICES AND BEING ON THE DRUG COALITION FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, UM, WE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NECESSARILY FOR DISPENSING, BUT I, THE EDUCATION PIECE IS VERY IMPORTANT. UM, BUT THE PROACTIVE, THE PUBLIC HEALTH, I THINK ALL OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES AND THOSE BOUNDARIES. UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN WE WORK WITH THE YOUNGER POPULATION AND EVEN AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL, THEY'RE GETTING THIS, UM, THEY'RE GETTING DRUGS FROM VARIOUS AREAS THAT AREN'T EVEN SAFE, SAFE. AND THEY'RE TOTALLY LACED WITH THINGS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO TONS OF, YOU KNOW, OVERDOSE. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAYBE DISPENSING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT REGARDLESS EITHER WAY, AND THEY'RE GONNA FIND THEIR SYSTEM. I'M NOT SAYING I SUPPORT IT, BUT I, THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT HARM REDUCTION APPROACH THAT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OF OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AREA REALLY NEEDS TO SAY AND, AND TO HELP. SO IT'S KIND OF MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M FOR IT, BUT IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE GUIDELINES, WE SHOULD, AS A COMMUNITY, GIVE IT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK, UM, AND WITH IT. AND YES, MARIJUANA CAN BE A GATEWAY, UM, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL OF, UM, THE SITUATION. I THINK WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT EDUCATION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TEACH THESE YOUNG KIDS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE HAMPER DRUG COALITION, [01:55:02] WITH ALL OF OUR RESOURCES. SO IF WE CAN MAYBE GO AT IT IN TWO ANGLES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT EVEN IN A DIFFERENT WAY FOR OURSELVES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC? NO. OKAY. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANYBODY DEPARTMENT HEADS, ANYBODY ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? I THINK ONE DISTINCTION I JUST WANT TO MAKE SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON IT, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BACKDROP OF THE COMMENTS THAT THAT JAMES MADE, IS THAT THE, THE WAY THEY HAVE THIS STRUCTURED, IF, UH, A COMMUNITY DOES NOTHING, I'M SORRY. IF A COMMUNITY DOES NOTHING, THEY ARE OPT OPTED IN AND THEN THEY'RE, IT DOES NOT ALLOW, UH, DOWN THE ROAD FOR ANY CHANGES. UM, IF A COMMUNITY CURRENTLY OPTS OUT, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE COMMUNITY CANNOT OPT IN IN THE FUTURE. IT JUST AFFORDS THE COMMUNITY MORE TIME TO, FOR INSTANCE, TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE PROACTIVE GUIDELINES OR MEASURES THAT A COMMUNITY WOULD MOST DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE IN PLACE AND THAT WE DON'T YET. SO THAT IS ONE CONSIDERATION THAT, UM, OPTING IN DOES AFFORD TIME, TIME TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT COLLEEN SPOKE ABOUT, SO THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE REALITIES OF THE CULTURE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE FACING. WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THE LAW THAT'S IN PLACE. WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE CONCERNS OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OTHER RESIDENTS AND COMING UP WITH A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE, MINDFUL SET OF GUIDELINES. UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. UH, SO I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO AFFORD THE PUBLIC THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOWHERE NEAR BEING READY AS A COMMUNITY TO EMBRACE THIS TYPE OF LAW. BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES. WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE ALSO, I DON'T BELIEVE HAVE ALL OF THE COMPLETE GUIDELINES THAT WE NEED IN PLACE FOR NEW YORK STATE YET TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO DO ALL OF THAT. UH, THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, AGAIN, IS THAT BY OPTING OUT NOW, IT AFFORDS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME OF THESE MEASURES IN PLACE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ONE PIECE OF IT, DISPENSARIES VERSUS ON SITE. AND TO APPROACH THIS VERY SYSTEMATICALLY, UM, AND WITH A LOT MORE INPUT. IF WE DON'T TAKE THAT ACTION NOW, THEN COME JANUARY 1ST, WE HAVE PEOPLE, WE HAVE, UH, COMPANIES THAT HAVE ALREADY APPROACHED, UH, ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS MODELS, THEY'RE READY TO GO, AND YET WE DON'T HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES IN PLACE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REFLECTING THE THOUGHTS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT WE'RE TAKING, THE CONSIDERATION OF ALL DIFFERENT FACETS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, INTO CONSIDERATION. AND THAT WE HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES AND, UM, SYSTEMS SET UP, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO QUITE A FEW BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF CONCERNS. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FUNNEL THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED SO THAT THEY CAN APPROACH THIS TOPIC, UM, IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY FOR THEM AND FOR THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS. I KNOW I STILL HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. ALSO, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO, TO HEAR COLLEEN FROM HER PERSPECTIVE. SHE HAS AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE AS A MEMBER OF THE DRUG FREE COALITION AND ALSO WORKING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING SOME OF YOUR STUDENTS. IF SOME OF THEM DID WANT TO SPEAK, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM THEM. UM, AND, AND, AND EVERYONE'S POINT, PAT'S PAT'S POSITION ON NAMI, UM, MERIT'S CONSIDERATION. AND SO WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO SEE HOW CAN WE MERGE ALL OF THESE CONCERNS, ALL OF THESE PERSPECTIVES, AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT IS AT OUR DOORSTEP AND YET IS GOING TO ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. EVERYONE'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE A FEAR, UM, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DO BENEFIT FROM THE PROPERLY REGULATED, UM, UH, MEDICAL USE OF, OF MARIJUANA. WE DON'T WANNA NOT HAVE THOSE, THAT ABILITY OUT THERE. AND, AND WE WANT TO HELP FACILITATE THAT EVEN FURTHER, THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, USAGE THAT, THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PRESCRIBED BY DOCTORS. WE WANNA HELP FACILITATE THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHATEVER STEP WE TAKE IS VERY MINDFUL AND, UH, TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WE AS A COMMUNITY, I THINK NEED TO TAKE THESE STEPS FORWARD TOGETHER AND, AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S CONCERNS, EVERYONE'S POSITIONS, AND WE DEVELOP THOSE GUIDELINES SO THAT THOSE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED. YES, MA'AM. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. UM, PATRICIA BUR I LIVE [02:00:01] ON SUMMER LANE , AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES LOOKING AT THIS WITH THE SAME IDEA OF OPTING OUT, ANALYZING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION ACROSS THE STATE? UM, CAN WE LEARN ANYTHING FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO ARE, WHO ARE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO US AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION BETTER? WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES. SOME ARE OPTING OUT, SOME ARE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION. UH, THE SUBSTANCE IS LEGAL IN NEW YORK STATE FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES EACH COMMUNITY ADDRESS WHAT IS POTENTIALLY AN ENTIRELY NEW OUTLET, UH, FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES AND FOR SOCIAL PURPOSES? SO YES, WE CAN LEARN AN AWFUL LOT FROM THE, UH, ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS, OTHER TOWNS AND VILLAGES WITHIN THE COUNTY OF ERIE. AND, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, WE'VE GOTTA ASSEMBLE SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE AFTER WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON DECEMBER THE 13TH, THE BOARD WILL VOTE AFFIRMATIVELY IS AN OPTOUT. NEGATIVELY IS NOT TO OPT OUT, IF I MAY, SUPERVISOR. YES, SIR. SO I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. UM, I, I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF THE STATE ARE GONNA RULE THE DAY THAT THIS LAW WAS PASSED TO ALLOW MAINSTREAM MARIJUANA USE BASICALLY OUT IN THE PUBLIC. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA INCREASE USE. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH IT DOWN THE ROAD. UH, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, DURING THE SUMMER, I'M GOING THROUGH, UH, DOWN BY THE BUFFALO ZOO WITH THE WINDOW OPEN AND ALL YOU SMELLS DOPE EVERYWHERE AND IT'S CONTINUOUS. NOW, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE MY FAMILY TO SOMEPLACE THAT, THAT THIS IS GOING ON. AND I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE USUALLY PEOPLE WOULD SMOKE IT IN THEIR HOUSES AND STUFF, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO, THAT'S FINE, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC, UH, SMOKING. 'CAUSE NOW IT'S LEGAL AND THE SM OF IT IS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH YOUR KIDS. AND I GO, BOY, WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT. IT'S NOT A SKUNK. UM, I, I JUST HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE THING. I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS QUESTION IS ABOUT TODAY, BUT, UH, I, I, I THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE TO PASS IT. SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. ALRIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE SENTENCE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDED TO THE, THE PUBLIC LAW. LIKE I, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY, UM, SEE IF, IF BOARD MEMBERS AGREE, UM, THERE'S ONE COMMENT THAT I THINK BELONGS IN THERE UNDER SECTION THREE IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS. AND THAT WOULD BE TO ADD THE STATEMENT. THIS LOCAL LAW SHALL APPLY TO THE AREA OF THE TOWN OUTSIDE OF ANY VILLAGE WITHIN SUCH TOWN. I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A DISTINCTION THAT HAS TO BE MADE BECAUSE THE VILLAGES ARE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT, AS YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN ACCORD. SO I THINK THAT FOR CLARIFICATION, WE NEED TO ADD A STATEMENT SUCH AS THAT. WALTER, DO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? THAT'S IT. I COPY THAT I HAVE HERE, RIGHT? THAT WAS, I BROUGHT THAT TONIGHT. I, I PUT THAT IN AS AN UPDATED COMMENT. YES. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT WILL BE THE LAW. THAT'S THE LAW. ANYWAY. THAT'LL BE THE LAW ANYWAY. THAT'S THE LAW REINFORCES YEAH, WE CAN'T PASS AN ORDINANCE SUCH AS THIS TO OPT IN OR OUT TO IMPACT THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE OR THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JURISDICTIONAL BASIS FOR TAKING ACTION. YES, MA'AM. SO, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA SMOKE IT NOW, WE CAN'T SMOKE CIGARETTES IN PARKS OR STUFF LIKE THAT. IS THERE GONNA BE, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO SMOKE WHEREVER THEY WOULD LIKE, IS THAT PART OF THE, THE LAW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN IT? WE DO OPT NO, NO. WE, OUR, THE, THE LOCAL LAW BEFORE US HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INDIVIDUAL CONSUMPTION, INDIVIDUAL SMOKING OR SNORTING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. UM, OUR LOCAL, THE LOCAL LAW HERE BEFORE US IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL ALLOW THE DISPENSARY DIS THE DISPENSATION OF THEM IN DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. WHETHER WE'LL HAVE LOUNGES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO PURCHASE FOR PERSONAL CONSUMPTION OR PERHAPS SMOKE ON PREMISES. IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE STATE WILL LICENSE AND WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR LICENSURE, BUT WE'LL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE A PERSON CAN SMOKE, UH, MARIJUANA AND WHERE ONE CANNOT. ANYBODY. YES. YES MA'AM. SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM A RESIDENT ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE SURE. FROM MIKE MILLIE. IF IT IS SOLD AT A REG REGULATED DISPENSARY, THERE IS NO RISK OF BEING LACED WITH FENTANYL. IT IS ALWAYS A RISK WHEN PURCHASED IN A STREET AND IT'S GOING TO BE PURCHASED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT REALITY IS IT'S LEGAL AND IT'S [02:05:01] SAFER GETTING IT FROM A REGULATED DISPENSARY. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? I'VE GOT, UH, YES. UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT ONE MEETING LEFT TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO OPT OUT OR REMAIN WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK. I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT UP SOME, SOME REALLY GOOD CONCERNS. UM, THE TRUTH IS, IS THE LEGISLATION HAS PASSED AND, AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO OPT OUT OR WE REMAIN IN, UM, WE HAVE NEIGHBORING TOWNS AND CITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPTING IN, UM, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BE USING WITHIN OUR TOWN. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PREVENT THE USAGE. SO I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY, BY JAMES AND, AND KELLY AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE HAS COME DOWN. UM, HOW CAN WE BE PROACTIVE? UM, AND, AND I THINK WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JAMES BROUGHT UP, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME RESEARCH TO DO AS FAR AS WHAT THE FORMAT IS, WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE AND FRAMEWORK THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE, UM, TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND IS MR. CONLEY ON THE QUESTION? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE MEETING IS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE REQUEST FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE KATHLEEN MORELOCK TO CARRY OVER THREE DAYS OF VACATION INTO THE 2022 CALENDAR YEAR. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND IS, UH, UH, BETH FERRELL ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ADOPTED A MCKINLEY BALL AREA SENATE ZONING LAW FOR THE PURPOSE OF OFFERING INCENTIVES TO APPLICANTS WHO PROVIDE AMENITIES THAT WILL ENHANCE THE TOWN'S PHYSICAL, CULTURAL, SOCIAL, AND OR ECONOMIC GOALS. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WISHES TO REDEVELOP THE MCKINLEY LAW AREA IN A FASHION THAT CREATES JOBS AND TAXES AND PROVIDES A REBIRTH TO THIS IMPORTANT AREA OF THE TOWN. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM ECHO PARK AUTOMOTIVE FOR INSO INCENTIVE ZONING REGARDING THE VACANT BUILDING LOCATED AT 37 0 1 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, FORMERLY THE PIER ONE IMPORTS STORE IN ORDER TO RENOVATE AND REOPEN THE BUILDING AS AN ECHO PARK USED CAR DELIVERY CENTER. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND ISSUED A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDING THAT THIS APPLICATION FOR INCENTIVE ZONING BE APPROVED NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD IS DETERMINED THAT IT IS WILLING TO FURTHER CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL AND HEREBY SCHEDULES A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REQUEST TO BE HELD ON DECEMBER THE 13TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM AT THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKING AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATIONS. THAT'S THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND TO THATY? SECOND. SECOND. SECOND IS MR. PETRI I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THE RESOLUTION IS ADAPTED. OKAY. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF ETT RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM GARY AND MAUREEN CARAC TO HIS ZONE VACANT PROPERTY JUST WEST OF 2 82 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD, SBL NUMBER 1 9 4 0.0 DASH FIVE DASH 5.1 FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. AND WHEREAS THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AND FOUND MERIT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST WITH RESERVATIONS, NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HEREBY REFERS THIS REZONING REQUEST TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE HAM TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS THE LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SECRET AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND. SECOND, UH, IS MS. HOKE I THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. THE RESOLUTION IS [02:10:08] WHEREAS THE TOWN OF ARD RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM PEOPLE INC. TO AMEND THE CURRENT PUD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ORDERED BY AZO ROAD, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, ROGERS ROAD, AND CLOVER BANK ROAD IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HEREBY REFERS THIS REQUEST TO AMEND THE PUD TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW ON RECOMMENDATION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATIONS. UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? ONE SECOND. MR. PET'S ON THE SECOND ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THE RESOLUTIONS ADAPTED. THANK YOU. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF C NEW YORK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING COMPLIANT WITH TITLE 11 OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990 A DA IN ALL OF ITS AMENDMENTS. AND WHEREAS AS PART OF THIS A DA COMPLIANCE, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ESTABLISHED A DISABILITIES COMMITTEE, A DISABILITIES COORDINATOR, AND HIRED A CERTIFIED A DA CONSULTANT. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE NEW CONTRACT BY AND BETWEEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND DISABILITY AWARENESS TRAINING, DAT TO PROVIDE A DA COMPLIANCE AND DISABILITY AWARENESS TRAINING FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND ITS EMPLOYEES. THE NEW CONTRACT PERIOD SHALL RUN FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2022 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2023. AND FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000 PER YEAR IS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT NUMBER A 86 8 7. SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION. ANYONE ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR CHRISTOPHER HALL, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO CARRY OVER 15 DAYS OF VACATION TO THE 2022 CALENDAR YEAR DUE TO EXTENDED MEDICAL FAMILY LEAVE VACANCIES FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF THROUGHOUT 2021. SO MOVED SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE NO SPONSOR TO THIS LAST ONE, BUT, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING CALENDAR FOR THE FIRST BUSINESS QUARTER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR 2022 AS SUBMITTED. ITEM NUMBER 11 ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. SECOND ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, REGULAR AGENDA. MADAM CLERK, NO CASH DISBURSEMENTS. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK HER, UH, MADAM CLERK, ARE THERE ANY CASH DISBURSEMENTS TO BE RECEIVED TONIGHT? SAY WHAT? NO NOTHING. OKAY, WELL THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE REGULAR AGENDA. UM, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS. LET'S SEE, WE'VE GOT WALTER OVER THERE. WALTER RUTH FROM LEGAL, ANYTHING. WALTER, NOTHING. TOM FROM ENGINEERING. HOW ABOUT YOU, SIR? NOTHING FROM ENGINEER. OKAY. I SEE PAT RYAN OVER THERE. PAT, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD. NOTHING IN THE REPORT. OKAY. MISS CAPTAIN YUGA, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? ALL GOOD, SIR. ALL, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, MADAM CLERK, UH, TOMORROW'S OUR LAST DAY FOR SCHOOL TAX COLLECTION. SO IF ANYBODY HAS TO PAY THEIR SCHOOL TAXES, GET 'EM IN TOMORROW. OKAY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEY'RE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU, UH, JENNIFER FROM IT? ANYTHING? NO. CHAIR REPORT AND KIM IN FINANCE. HOW ABOUT YOU? NOTHING TO REPORT CHAIR RONALD AND PERSONNEL. UM, JUST THAT THE SCREENING COMMITTEE STARTED TO MEET FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'LL BE IN THE WORKS. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? MARTY? I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU. I APOLOGIZE. NO REPORT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME, UH, THROW IT OPEN TO THE AUDIENCE. ANY, ANYTHING THAT YOU CARE TO ADD, UH, TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID ON ANY TOPIC ON THE AGENDA OR OFF THE AGENDA? ANYONE? NO. NO? OKAY. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ANYTHING TO ADD? NOPE. LET'S GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE GOLF COURSE. UM, [02:15:01] MAKE GOOD PROGRESS ON, UM, NEW SIGNAGE, THE LANDSCAPING. UH, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE DRAINAGE STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED. UH, SO WE HAD A, UH, A MEETING ON THAT WITH, UH, ALL THE IN INTERESTED PARTIES, UM, TO GET THE REPORT FROM THE DRAINAGE STUDY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE, THE DRAINAGE AT THE FACILITY, WHICH WAS OUR, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. UH, THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO OUT, UH, FOR AN RFP TO SEE WHICH COMPANY, UH, CAN DO THE WORK. AND WE'RE, UH, OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, FEW MONTHS SO THAT WE HAVE A GAME PLAN, UM, FOR EARLY NEXT YEAR TO, UH, TACKLE THAT BIG ISSUE. OKAY. GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND ON THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MEETING STANDS ADJOURNED. WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 13TH OF DECEMBER. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.