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6 31 ITEM ON THE AGENDA.SITE PLAN APPROVAL OPPOSED TO POLL BAR LOCATED AT 6 3 0 2 MONCTON DRIVE.
DID YOU TURN ON THE REPORT? YES, I DID.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS PROJECT.
DO IT'S UM, MY BUSINESS IS THERE.
IT'S AN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING BUSINESS AND WE NEED SOME MORE SPACE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ADDING THE WAREHOUSE
SO AS FAR AS THOSE THREE PICTURES I GAVE YOU, THE FIRST PAGE IS THE, WHAT THE EXISTING BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
THE SECOND PAGE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE NEW BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SAME ROOF PITCH, SAME DESIGN, SAME DOORS, DIFFERENT SIDING, COLOR.
THEY DON'T MAKE THE GREEN ANYMORE.
DIFFERENT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT DON'T MAKE THE GREEN ANYMORE.
SO THE, THE FIRST PICTURE IS THE EXISTING AND THEN THE SECOND IS GONNA BE WHAT THE NEXT BUILDING'S GONNA KIND OF LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN THAT'S THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, STATE WHAT YOU ARE STORING IN THE BUILDING.
TELL 'EM WHAT YOU OH, MY BANDS.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WINTERTIME, YOU WANT TO KEEP THE BANDS INSIDE.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF WIRE IN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIGHT, LIGHT FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE FROM BEING FOR STORAGE.
YOU'RE RESTORING YOUR TIER FOR YOUR BUSINESS.
THIS IS TOO LARGE FOR SITE PLAN WAIVERS.
SO WE HAVE TO A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A, IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD.
THERE'S NO OTHER REGULATORY APPROVAL NEEDED ON THIS JUDGE.
NO OTHER WORKS TO BE DONE IN THERE? NO, NO.
ALL THE WORK'S DONE OFFSITE, BUT OBVIOUSLY DELIVERIES ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ACCUSED.
WHAT IS THIS GONNA BE ATTACHED TO? OR ADJACENT TO? EXISTING? IT'S LIKE PERPENDICULAR.
THERE'S A SITE PLAN RIGHT TO YOUR RIGHT.
IT'S FARTHER CORRECT? YES, IT'S UPHILL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA DO THE NEW, NEW PAVEMENT? YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA ADD ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET OF PAVEMENT TO ATTACH TO THE EXISTING.
SO WHAT'S, THERE'S NO OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES NEXT TO WHERE THE POLE GROUND IS GOING, CORRECT? NO, AS FAR AS LIKE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURES IN THAT VICINITY.
THE SIDE TO THE SOUTH? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S FRONT'S THAT, THAT'S MY SON'S.
YEAH, THAT'S EATON CORPORATION.
THEIR BUILDING IS WAY UP NEAR, UH, HOW, HOW CLOSE THE FROM OH, WE'RE GOT A MAP.
OH, I SEE MY PROPERTY DRAINED TO THE VILLAGE.
IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MAIN CLEAN OUT FOR THE VILLAGE
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THAT'S THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY AT ABOUT 900 FEET BACK.SO EVERYTHING FROM LAKE, I'M SORRY, DRAINS THAT WAY I COMMENTS.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A VERY VISIBLE LOCATION.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT THE FOLKS THAT EAT ARE GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
YEAH, I MEAN LIKE ON THAT, IN THAT 15TH FOOT STRIP IS NO, BECAUSE THEIR BUILDING IS SO FAR AND THEY HAVE, YEAH, THEY HAVE THOSE TREES IN BETWEEN.
YEAH, THERE'S TREES, THERE'S, THERE'S BRUSH.
THE WALL WOULD REQUIRES YOU REBUTTING.
TAKE THE MOTION HEARING ON JOHN BROCK FOR OCTOBER 6TH.
IF BILL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER US, AND IT'S JUST UP TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL APPLICATION, SEEMS QUITE CLEAR.
WOULD YOU WANT US TENTATIVELY PUTTING TOGETHER RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT NIGHT CASE? WE GET NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
OBVIOUSLY WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU ALWAYS TABLE STUFF, BUT JUST IN CASE, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS THAT WILL BE A SECRET RESOLUTION AND A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE CYCLING AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, JUST CASE DEFINITELY DO IT.
BUT E SHORT FORM TWO AND THREE FOR BOARD TO REVIEW ALSO AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT TO RECEIVE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL PREPARE THOSE DOCUMENTS PART TWO AND THREE AND WE'LL PUT TOGETHER THE RESOLUTION JUST IN CASE THERE'S NO PAPER NOTIFICATION ON THE SMALL PROJECT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY PROJECT.
DOES I NOTIFY IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A BIG PROJECT? I, SO BILL, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, LET'S BRING UP AGAIN IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, UM, PROCESS STUFF FOR SITE PLAN WAIVERS, WHATEVER.
I WANNA PRESENT THAT TO ROGER AND SEE IF HE WANTS TO TWEAK IT ANY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR SITE TIME WAIVERS.
I DON'T, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT, SO, AND ROGER'S ASKED FOR THAT TOO, THAT WE HAVE SOME PROCEDURE SO WE CAN TELL PEOPLE THIS IS THE PROCESS WE FOLLOW.
THE WHOLE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THAT
AND KAILYN ASKED ME, YOU ASKED, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING FLOW CHARTS TOGETHER FOR ALL THE PROCESSES.
SOMETHING LEVEL AN RIGHT THAT WE CAN EVEN PUT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE TO BASICALLY SAY THIS IS THE PROCESSING PROCEDURE.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE THAT OH, I LOVE, I LOVE WORD TRUST, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO S APPLICATIONS COME HERE TIMES.
IT'S A PRIVATE RESIDENT THING.
YOU, THAT'S WHY I DO THE, THE CHECKLIST OF THE WRITTEN ONES BECAUSE EVERY TOWN I WORK FOR HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCESS.
I WORK WITH SOME TOWNS THAT THEY SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION, BUT BASICALLY THEY JUST REFER TO THE STATE PUBLIC STATIONS ALL ANOTHER ITEM.
BILL THAT KIND OF BROUGHT TWO OTHER PLANNING THIS THIS PAST WEEK.
UM, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? WHAT IS GOING ON WITH TRAINING, GETTING
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NEW YORK STATE? ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS ARE LOOKING AT, HAVE THEY WAIVED TRAINING BECAUSE OF COVID? ARE YOU GUYS STILL REQUIRED? ARE YOU GETTING YOUR FOUR HOURS OF TRAINING THAT ARE REQUIRED ACCOUNT? WERE CHANGE THE LAW WHERE YOU CAN DO ONLINE STUFF.ARE YOU GETTING CA I BRINGING IT UP IS ERIE COUNTY IS DOING A TRAINING SESSION COMING UP YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHILE THEY DO EVERY SECOND OR THIRD YEAR, IT WOULD BE TWO HOURS BASED ONLINE.
DO YOU WANT SARAH AND I TO SEND THAT TO YOU? I DUNNO, JENNIFER, ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME WAIVER BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT THE OTHER ATTORNEY SAID, NO, IT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT.
I'M LOOKING ON THAT WEBSITE RIGHT NOW AND IT HEARING RIGHT? YEAH, THE TAB CHANGE, YOU CAN DO A PERCENTAGE OF IT ONLINE LONG AS YOU LETTING ALL OKAY, GOOD.
YOU COMES, I'LL SEND ERIE COUNTY CAME AND I'LL EVEN SEND YOU THE NIAGARA COUNTY ONES BECAUSE IT ONLINE DOING THE, UM, WELL IT'S THE GREATER FINGER LAKES REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
I'M DOING A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS OR ONE YOU CAN JUST SIGN UP FOR.
UH, IS THIS THE STATE, UM, FEDERATION IS COMING.
THERE'S ALL HAVE A HOW MUCH SARAH, IS THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT'S KEEPING TRACK OR ARE THEY STILL MAKING YOU KEEP TRACK OF ATTORNEY? OH, I'VE DONE IT FOR YEARS.
DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE JUST TO SEE WHERE EVERYBODY 2020? NOT IN, NOT IN YOUR I DO OFFICE.
AND THEN I'LL PROVIDES THREE DIFFERENT ONLINE SEMINAR.
THEY'RE COMING FILE AROUND ABOUT THIS TIME.
I'LL SEND THE, THIS MUCH YOU HAVE I JUST UP IF YOU DON'T
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WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT SO WELL IT SHOULD BE IN THAT BOX.SO THAT'S HOPEFULLY IT'S IS IT FILE? WELL, YEAH, WELL, YES.
WHAT? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE RESOLUTION.
THEY NEVER GOT, GOT NO, THEY'RE NOT APPROVED BY ENGINEERING.
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TRAFFIC SAFETY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR.DID YOU SEE BEFORE THAT SOMEONE ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, HE'S THE HEALTH, HE'S THE HEALTH AND SAFETY NAME IS MC MCC PAUL MCC.
UH, WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021
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MEETING IN THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD.PLEASE RISE FLAG IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
OKAY, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID BRAD REQUESTING USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN AIRBNB AT 4 7 0 8 CLIFTON PARKWAY.
AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION IT WASN'T PROVIDED, SO WON'T BE ANYTHING DISCUSSED ON THIS ONE TODAY.
SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS BOB JOHNSON REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO 4 0 4 6.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF BOB JOHNSON, WHO'S ALSO WITH ME, THE APPLICANT.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT PREVIOUSLY.
UH, WE GOT TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON PROCESS OF FINALIZING A CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE NO PROTECTED CULTURAL RESOURCES.
WE'VE SPOKEN TO BONNIE LOCKWOOD AND THEN IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR COMMENTS BACK FROM NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE 20 MORE DAYS HAS ALMOST EXPIRED.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANNA NOTE, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING A CURB CUT ON THE LAKE SHORE ROAD AND BOB ACTUALLY SPOKE.
PATRICIA TALSKY OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION INFORMED US THAT THAT'S WHAT'S THAT WOULD REQUIRE, WHAT'S KNOWN AS BREAK IN ACCESS, WHICH IS VERY MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST A CURB CUT.
SO WE REMOVED THAT FROM THE SITE.
SO I CAN'T EXPECT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET ANY ADVERSE COMMENTS BACK FROM DOT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE MADE A FEW MINOR CHANGES.
WE'VE ADDED A BIKE RACK ALONG THE FRONT SIDEWALK OF THE BUILDING HERE.
WE'VE ADDED STOCK BARS, THE TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM THE BREWERY PARKING LOT PEGS PLACE.
WE'VE ADDED LANDSCAPING AND SHRUBS ALONG.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE STOP BARS? STOP BARS ARE LIKE THE, THE STRIKING WE'VE ADDED LANDSCAPING SHRUBS ALONG THE FRONT SPACE PARKING LOT.
OH, HERE IT'S THE STOP BAR IS ACTUALLY THE, THE PAINTING WITH THE WORD STOP HERE WE'VE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STOP SIGN.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, DO YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS STOP HERE? NO, NO.
THIS IS AN UPDATED PLAN THAT, WHAT WAS, I SEE 75.
SO WE'RE PRESENTING THE UPDATED PLAN.
YOU WANT ME TO HAND YOU OUT ONE? I CAN.
THEY JUST GOT DELIVERED TODAY.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY MINOR CHANGES.
THERE'S A SITE PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND A TRUCK TURNING PLAN.
THE SCHEDULE IS, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THIS IS STILL, SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE THE STOCK BAR LOOK.
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE ONE HERE IF YOU WANT I CAN COME UP AND SHOW IT.
YEAH, WE, IT LEMME JUST SHOW YOU BOTH.
THAT ONE HERE AND ONE THERE IT IS.
UH, THIS WAS SENT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY ON AUGUST 7TH.
BUT THIS IS, WELL THEY DIDN'T COMMENT ON ANY PLANS EVER.
THEY, IF WELL THEY HAVEN'T COMMENT.
THEY GOT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH THE TWO DRIVERS MEET.
I DUNNO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
WE'RE ON VERSION READ NOW, THIS SITE PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON, I THINK.
NO, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES THERE.
YEAH, JUST SO EVERYONE, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE REVISED SITE PLAN, WHICH BOB HAS JUST HANDED EACH OF YOU A COPY
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IS DATED 9 13 21.ANTHONY FROM ANTHONY PANDOLFI FROM CARINO WOODMORE DID THAT BASED ON THE INPUT HE RECEIVED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH BOB AND ANTHONY WERE FROM A ROADWAY NETWORK.
THIS IS MEANINGLESS, THESE STOP BARS.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE PARKING LOT SAFER.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH, JUST ME.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS ALL IN REVIEW AFTER WE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING HERE THAT NIGHT TO STAY ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, THAT WAS JUST A CONCERN.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A BIG CHANGE IN REMOVING THE LIGHT RIGHT OUT ONLY, WHICH WOULD BE DOT APPROVAL, WHICH DID NOT PURSUE AT THIS POINT.
TO BE HONEST, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO GET A COMMENT OUT.
DOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT IS, REQUIRES A PERMIT OR APPROVAL FROM THAT.
UM, THERE IS, YOU GUYS DID A TRAFFIC STUDY? NO.
I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC TRIP PROJECTION, WE DON'T THINK THIS DOESN'T COME CLOSE TO WORKING A TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO DID YOU SAY THAT DOT ASKED OUR 20 DAYS? DOTI BELIEVE IT WAS JUAN HAYES.
IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE LAST MEETING, ASKED FOUR 20 DISH, WE SUBSEQUENTLY ELIMINATED THE DRIVEWAY.
ACTUALLY YOU ELIMINATED THE DRIVEWAY I THINK BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MISSED.
SO REGARDLESS, WE GIVE THE DOT TIME TO FINISH THEIR SO GO AHEAD BOB.
SO LET ME JUST JUMP IN BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT HAS ALL TRANSPIRED.
SO TWO YEARS AGO I WENT TO THE DOT AND DISCUSSED THIS WRITE AND WRITE OUT CONCEPT.
THE, THE GENTLEMAN IN THE OFFICE SAID, NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
HE SPACED IT, HE LAID IT OUT FOR ME.
WE GOT TO THIS POINT, WOMAN FROM THE DOT OFFICE CALLED ME AND SAID, PATRICIA OWS.
PATRICIA TALSKY, WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY THE STATE, IT WAS PURCHASED WITH NO BREACH OF ACCESS.
WITHOUT ACCESS, WITHOUT ACCESS RIGHTS.
SO BECAUSE THEY PAID A, PAID A PREMIUM, SHE TOLD ME IT WOULD TAKE ME TWO YEARS TO GET AN ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
SO SINCE THEN I, I SAID, OKAY, WELL LET'S, WHAT'S THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OF OF NEW YORK STATE HAS TO BE INVOLVED.
THAT'S WHO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO START WITH.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T START WITH THEM.
IT'S ALBANY AND IT'S A 24 STEP PROCESS.
IT'S A YEAH, IT'S A HUGE PROCESS.
SO WE'VE ABANDONED IT IN THAT CONVERSATION.
I SAID, WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA USE IT.
WHAT THEY SAID WAS, AS FAR AS THEY KNEW, THE DOT PIECE JUST WAS TAKING CARE OF BASICALLY WAS WATER ISSUES, WAS WHAT THEIR QUESTION WAS.
THE GUY THEN ASKED ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT THEIR RESPONSE WAS GONNA BE TO ASK FOR 20 MORE DAYS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH IT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT RON HAYES TOLD ME.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
HOW MANY DAYS AGO WAS THAT? THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS AGO.
MAYBE A LITTLE, COUPLE DAYS MORE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS THE DAY OF THE MEETING.
NOW THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AND FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT DREW SAID, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE DON'T GET A COMMENT FROM DOT WITHIN THAT 20 DAY PERIOD.
RON HAYES WHO ISSUED THAT EMAIL IS THE PERSON WHO'S TAKING OVER FOR ED MURKOWSKI A LONG TIME SEEKER SITE PLAN REVIEW COORDINATOR.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE HIGH ON HIS PRIORITY LIST, GIVEN THAT WE ELIMINATED WHAT THEY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT.
I DON'T USUALLY GET COMMENTS FROM THE OT IF IT'S NOT ON A, SO QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD WITNESS.
WE'LL TRY TO GET THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND YOU WANT ANYBODY ELSE, INDEPENDENT WENDELL, GHD SOMEONE TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS UNDER SEEKER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC AND YET UNDERSTAND PROBABLY UNDER A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR.
UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH A COUPLE BREWERIES AND WHATEVER CAN BE A TRAFFIC AND CERTAIN TIMES, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT YOUR BUSINESS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WHO IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT EXISTING DRIVE WILL NOT BEGIN TO FAIL BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING ADDED.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S TYPICALLY RAISED.
WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT? I, I AGREE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET COMMENTS FROM THE DT EXISTING CURB CUT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC INPUT.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SIZE PROJECT WITH A SIGNIFICANT SIZE PARKING LOT, UM, WITH A LARGE CD CAPACITY.
SO IF, AND HOPEFULLY EVERY 90 DOES IT HOME CAPACITY, IT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC MEASURE WHERE WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING THEM UP TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND BE IN A POSITIVE TRAFFIC PLACE.
SO WE WILL TRY TO GET THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
ORIGINALLY, UH, THERE BE A DIRECT ACCESS RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY THE MOST PROBABLE THING I SEE OR THAT I WORRY ABOUT, I PROBLEM NOT AREA WHERE IT'S KIND OF A 45 DEGREE ANGLE TO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT WHERE WE ENTER IN THE NEW PARKING LOT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? CHAIRMAN, JUST SO WE KNOW,
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RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE TWO ITEMS, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE CLOSED AND I JUST, SO BOB, WILL YOU SO LET LET BOB ANSWER THE QUESTION.SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ALL ALREADY BLACKTOP AND PARKING, SO THERE IS NO ISSUE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? PARKING GOES AROUND THE CORNER, IT SPINS AROUND, IT'S ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE DON'T GO THAT FAR BACK BECAUSE THEY PARK CLOSER TO
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY, SO IRONICALLY ALL MY STAFF PARKS IN THE VERY BACK AND THEN ON, ON OUR BUSIEST TIMES, ALL THE PARKING IS USED THERE.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE JUST, THIS IS GONNA CREATE ANOTHER FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY SEPARATED FROM THERE AND ALL THE TRAFFIC CAN TURN AND GO UP TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE I THINK.
THE GOAL IS FOR THIS DIRECT ACCESS POINT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TRAFFIC FOR THE BREWERY OBVIOUSLY INTERFERING WITH THE SUCCESS OF THE RESTAURANT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S TWO ACCESS, THERE'S ACCESS POINT, A FIVE DEGREE, AND IN ORDER FOR TO BACK OUT THOSE PARKING SPOTS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BACK INTO THE TURNING LANE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BACK OUT OF THE SLOT AND INTO THE GROUP.
WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW MY, MY QUESTION.
SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, IF, IF, IF THAT'S NOT AN OPEN, LIKE THAT'S CURRENTLY AN OPEN BLACKTOP RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S NOT, IF I PUT A BARRIER UP, IF, IF WE WERE TO PUT THE NAME THE BARRIER, I DON'T, I GUESS IT'S I RELATIVE JUST GREEN SPACE.
I THINK THEN YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING PEOPLE STUCK IN BACK HERE FOR BOTH THE CURRENT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE A HUGE SNOW REMOVAL ISSUE IN, IN CERTAIN ISSUES LIKE THAT, THAT ARE GONNA COME UP BECAUSE OF, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS APARTMENT BUILDING PUSHES ALL THEIR SNOW AND EVERYTHING ELSE INTO MY GREEN SPACE RIGHT NOW.
IT COULD BE THE WAY IT'S RIGHT NOW COULD BE PERFECTLY FINE.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S OUR QUESTION.
SO I, AND MY QUESTION DREW OF WHO WE WANNA HAVE LOOK AT AT, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE TO ASK HYDROGEN BROUGHT UP BILL, IS THAT A TRAFFIC PERSON IS JUST GONNA LOOK AT THAT ENTRANCE ONTO THE HIGHWAY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT INTERNAL TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS UNLESS YOU ASK THEM TO LOOK AT INTERNAL TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA, BUT THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY IT MEETS THE SPECIFICATIONS.
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? SAY? WELL, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, I GUESS WHO, WHO'S THE JUDGE AND JURY ON WHAT TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE IN A PRIVATE PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S NOT AFFECTING A WELL, IT'S NOT AFFECTING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S NO ROAD TO SAY A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT, IT, IT GRADE THE DANGEROUS SITUATION.
WELL, I MEAN I, LET'S, LET'S HOPE THAT AT THIS POINT IN MY CAREER THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE A BAD TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SAFETY ISSUE.
SO TRAFFIC STUDIES IN THE COMMON CAR.
THAT'S NOT EVEN EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
I JUST, HOW DOES ANYONE AT WENDELL DO PARKING LOT? YES SIR.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE TIMEFRAMES OF THESE, RIGHT.
I WOULD, IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO HAVE SOMEBODY AT WENDELL REVIEW THE INTERNAL TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE TRAFFIC SAFETY, I'M PRETTY SURE MEETS THE SECOND THURSDAY, WHICH ISN'T UNTIL THE 13TH OF OCTOBER.
AND, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM COMMENT ON THAT TOPIC AND THEY NEVER COMMENT ON YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IF THEY COMMENTED ON FIL A.
SO IT MIGHT BE BETTER AND QUICKER FOR EVERYBODY.
WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HOLD UP.
WHAT CASE CLOSED? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE CLOSE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND WHEN THIS THIS MENT HAPPENS, WHAT TIME? MY, MY ULTIMATE PLAN WOULD BE TO CLOSE AT TWO AND MAKE PIKE'S PLACE AT FAMILY'S, YOU KNOW, A DINER.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE DINNER BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHY LIKE, I'M NOT EXPECTING THIS TO BE A HUGE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BUT I I'M THE BUSINESS, I'M THE GUY DOING THIS, SO I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT SO IT'S UNSAFE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HURT.
NO, I I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WASN'T GOING THOUGH.
NO, NO, WE KNOW THERE, THERE, THERE'S SOME PARKING LOTS THAT DON'T RECALL IT ALL THE TIME.
OH YEAH, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, AND WE WANT THIS TO NOT BE ONE OF THOSE.
UM, I MEAN EVEN IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT COULD COME IN AND TELL US A BIT MORE, IF WOULD BE QUICKER OR EASIER, WHATEVER.
I, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHO IT IS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT PARKING LOT AND I LOOK AT THAT AND I SEE IT'S A ANGLE AND SO THAT, THAT ANGLE IS JUST BASED ON THE PROPERTY LINES.
THAT'S SO I, I HAVE, I CAN TAKE SOMEONE TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
PROVIDE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS I CAN HAVE THAT MEET THE DEADLINE FOR NEXT AND MEET THE DEADLINE FOR NEXT MEETING.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO GET FROM YOU JUST YOUR ESTIMATED TRIP NUMBERS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA? I DO.
SO THE ESTIMATED TRICK NUMBERS BASED ON IT TRIP GENERATION RATE DURING THE WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND
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PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS PEAK FOR THE BREWERY IS 53 AND 41 OUNCE.DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ON THE EXISTING COUNTS ON THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD THERE? NO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A TOWN ROAD, RIGHT? THAT'S A WHAT IS THAT THERE OLD, THIS ROAD RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT NEW LAKESHORE IS STATE COUNTY.
WHO IS THAT? IT'S STATE I BELIEVE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S STATE OFFICE.
IT'S NEW YORK STATE, IT'S, YEAH.
AND I'VE TRIED TO CALL RON AND SEE IF HE CAN MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, THEY, IT'S NOT HIGH UNREALISTIC BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPROVAL AND HE'S BRAND NEW AND HE IS BRAND NEW.
HE HASN'T BEEN DOING THIS JOB.
SO SEAN, WHATEVER YOU DO AT REST OF THE NEXT MEETING, CAN YOU GET IT TO US SO WE TO REVIEW IT? YEAH.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THESE PROJECTS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT US WITH FRESH EYES THE DAY OF THE MEETING AND IT'S HARD TO REALLY ASK ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING ANYTHING OUT THERE AND CREATING LIKE DO WORK FOR YOU BECAUSE SURE.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE OUR FOCUS IS
GOING FROM THAT ONE, THE ONE GAP GOING TOWARDS THE LAKE, THERES SOME PARKING SPACES THERE SPACES, THERE'S NO BARRIER BETWEEN EXISTING PARKING LOT AND THOSE PARKING SPACES RIGHT UP HERE.
THOSE AREN'T YEAH, THERE'S CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
YOU, YEAH, KEEP IN MIND YOU WANNA CONTROL, YOU DO WANNA CONTROL THE ACCESS POINTS JUST TO LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN.
THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO YEAH, THAT THIS STRETCH, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE REFERENCING CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH THOUGH.
THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE CAN DOES IT HAVE IN IT OR IS IT JUST LIKE IT'S IT'S OVER.
WE HAVE YEAH, IT'S STRAWBERRY THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S GREEN, RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S GREEN SPACE WITH SOME TREES.
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO OPEN IT UP THERE AND CLOSE IT OFF AND MOVE THOSE SPACES? OPEN IT UP UP HERE, RIGHT.
IT, THAT'S OFFITE NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT EVEN MY PROPERTY.
YOU, I MEAN I CAN'T, THAT'S OFF.
SO WHERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, THE PROPERTY LINE IS THIS ANGLE RIGHT HERE.
SO IT IT, IT ACTUALLY, SO YOU DON'T OWN THE
THERE'S THERE'S ALREADY AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THE APARTMENT AND I FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES AND ACCESS.
THE EASEMENTS IN THAT LOCATION ON OTHER LOCATION.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THIS INTERNAL CURB CUT IS OFF YOUR PROPERTY, THIS LITTLE PIECE.
AND I THINK THAT'S COVERED BY THE EXISTING EASEMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA NEED THE EASEMENT TO BE SHOWN ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS A DESCRIPTION ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S JUST A GENERIC EASEMENT.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE BOB AND THOSE PEOPLE GET ALONG SO IT'S NOT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER, I GUESS WE'LL NEED A COPY OF WHATEVER THE EASEMENT IS FILE IT'S ALL, I MEAN IT WAS ALL DONE WITH THE TOWN 10 YEARS ALL.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT EASEMENT IS IT EASEMENT PREVIOUSLY FILED WITH THE YEAH.
SO IT WAS YEARS AGO AND IT'S RECORDED.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THEY GOT APPROVAL.
THEY COULDN'T GET APPROVAL FOR THE WATERFRONT DEPARTMENTS UNLESS I DID THE EASEMENT AND I DID IT FOR, AND WE WORKED I GUESS BEST.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S NOT A AWKWARD, IT'S NOT A REGULAR LAYOUT.
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AN EXISTING BUSINESS ET CETERA, BUT, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT THE BEST YOU CAN.
I'M SURE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT THE BEST THEY CAN.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S NO PURPOSE.
WE WANNA MAKE IT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.
WE, WE WANNA MAKE IT NOT LIGHT MILES.
WE WANT IT TO NOT SEEM LIKE THAT.
AS I EXPLAINED AT THE LAST UNFORTUNATELY GOOD OR BAD I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH WHATEVER WHEN THEY HAVE EVENTS
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TENDS TO BE, CAN I POINT TO ONE THING THAT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF ACCESS.I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE USED WAS IF WE LIMITED THIS ONE SPACE NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CAR BACKING INTO THAT DON'T ABOUT THESE CARS.
I'M JUST DON'T, LET'S NOT LOOK SEAN.
SO IT PUTS ME ON TASK WHEN YOU EMAIL ME IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS.
YOUR IT TE TRIP GENERATION CALCULATIONS.
AND THE MOST RECENT PLAN, I'LL JUST PUT THAT ON THE LIST OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEN IF YOU WOULD JUST LET US KNOW DREW, IF YOU GET ANY INPUT SO WE CAN TAKE DOWN INTO CONSIDERATION AND I'LL TRY TO CALL RON, JUST EXPLAIN THE SITUATION.
SAY, HEY, OKAY, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR NOT ON THIS? I REALIZE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PURPOSE OF APPROVALS BUT IT IS YOUR HIGHWAYS THERE.
I DON'T WANT YOU LATER COMING BACK AND SAY WHY DID YOU APPROVE THIS OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU'RE NOT, I MEAN YOU HAVE YOUR WIPES THROUGH ACCESS TO THE STATE HIGHWAY.
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, WELL I'LL, I'LL LET 'EM KNOW GUYS SPEAK NOW, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE STORE.
WE'RE NOT SHOWING FENCING ON THE STORMWATER.
REMEMBER IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO AND CAMMY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO, BUT IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE DC REQUIREMENTS WHERE IT HAS THE STEPS.
IT WAS NOT SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES SAFE BENCH BENCH, AQUATIC BENCH IS THAT, SO I HAD ONE QUESTION I GUESS IS FOR SARAH.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A COPY OF THE LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM FORM.
HAVE WE RECEIVED THAT YET? YEAH, THEY'VE ALREADY REVIEWED IT AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I DON'T TO THE GENTLEMAN MR. MR.
IS THE PLANNING BOARD ENTITLED TO FILL OUT THE FORM AND PROVIDE IT BACK TO THEM CURR.
AND AS AN FYII TALKED TO NOT TRUE BILL, BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, THE US HAS GONE OUT AND GONE TO THE TOWNS AND DONE REVIEWS AND SAY SHOW ME YOUR FILES THAT YOU'VE DONE THE REVIEWS UNDER THIS AND JUST HAVING A RESOLUTION FROM THE WATERFRONT VIDEOS.
AND SO I NEED TO WORK WITH, PUT ANOTHER NOTE FOR ME TO WORK WITH THEM TO FILL OUT THIS, THIS FORM.
WE DID FILL OUT THE APPLICATION IN DETAIL.
SO AND I JUST HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN THE FORM.
THEY HAVE TO, TO KNOW IT BECAUSE IT'S SECRET.
JOE KELLY DID IT BEFORE FOR ANOTHER TIME.
I KNOW HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THAT MEETING WAS, WAS A REALLY LONG ONE AND I THINK A LOT OF HAPPENED AFTERWARDS.
I'LL, I'LL DOES DOES JOE HAVE THE FORM? WELL, I DON'T WANT, YES, JOE SHOULD HAVE THE FORM.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO REACH OUT TO ME.
SO YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BILL ON THAT.
SO, AND JUST SAY LOOK IF WE NEED SOME HELP FROM BILL OR I, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS FORM BY THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY, THE ONLY, CAN I JUST TELL YOU THE ONE OF THE CHANGES AND WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO ONLY OTHER CHANGES JUST TO ACCOMMODATE AND ENSURE THERE'S FLOW FOR LARGER VEHICLES, PARTICULAR BUSES AND UH, LIMOUSINE BUSES.
THE TURNING RADIUSS ALL THE WAY AROUND IT BEEN ADJUSTED.
SO THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A 40 FOOT VEHICLE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO YOU COME IN HERE, YOU CAN CIRCLE AROUND HERE AND THEN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, ANTHONY HAS SAID, UH, THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU GUYS WERE BEING SUBMITTING THE LETTER OF MAP REVISION FOR THE, THE
HAS THAT BEEN FILED AND IS THAT BEING REMOVED? DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OF THAT? NO.
TYPICALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS IS AFTER SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION SO THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE APPROVAL AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR ENGINEERING PLANS ARE.
WHAT DREW WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THE FILE WITH THE SEEKER SO THAT WE'RE APPROPRIATELY DOCUMENTING AND EVALUATING THIS? YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT
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YOU BELIEVE, AGAIN, I CAN'T PLACE IT ON FUTURE STUDY, BUT REMEMBER YOU DON'T HAVE TO PERMITS AND APPROVALS IN HAND TO DO A SEEKER APPROVAL.BUT YOU HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT SAY THIS WILL NOT CAUSE A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
I THINK THE GENTLEMAN HAS EXPLAINED THE HISTORY OF, OF THE, OF THE FLOOD PLAIN IN THAT AREA.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO FEEL COMFORTABLE? OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.
THE TOWN ENGINEER WOULD NOT SIGN OFF ON IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UNTIL THEY HAVE THOSE THINGS IN HAND.
UH, ALL PERMITS AND APPROVALS ARE NEEDED IN HAND.
BUT DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY THAT THIS WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE FLOODPLAIN OR FLOOD FLOOD? I THINK A SECTION OF THE SECRET LAWS IMPACTS ON FLOODING AND ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ONE THROUGH ONE OF THOSE L PROCESSES, NOW IT'S PRETTY STRINGENT TECHNICAL REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU DON'T GET IT.
IS THIS A SHORT OR LONG? WE DOING FULLY THIS YEAR? NO, I THINK WE SUBMITTED A SHORT, IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION, RIGHT? HOW PAST THE BUILDING? THE BUILDING IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
YEAH, 10,000 SQUARE FEET SHORT FORM IS FINE.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T ADD TO THE SHORT FORM OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE LONG, I WOULD SAY WHETHER THE FULLY AF IS GONNA PROVIDE YOU ANY MORE DOCUMENTATION.
IT'S JUST YOU'RE ASKING THE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS.
AREAS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED AND YOU DID AND YOU HAVE CONDUCTED A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL WELL THAT'S NOT REQUIRED.
SO WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE WE'RE AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME HOMEWORK.
WE REALLY HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY.
AS YOU CAN KNOW, BOB REALLY HOPES TO GET ABLE TO SOON START THE PROJECT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO ASK THE PLAINTIFF DEPART TO PREPARE A DRAFT NEGATIVE DEC DECLARATION AND A AND RESOLUTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WITH IT BEING, WITH IT BEING NOTED THAT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE TO OCCUR FOR YOU TO BE IN A POSITION THAT ISSUE YOUR DECISIONS.
IF WE'RE GONNA, I WOULD WANT MATERIALS PRIOR TO THE MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FULLY WELL WHATEVER WE GET FROM SEAN, WE ON, WELL WE MAY NOT BE MAKING ANY REVISIONS.
IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE REVIEW FROM OKAY.
I I'M GONNA ASK ANTHONY PANOL TO EMAIL ME TOMORROW THIS PLAN.
SO IT'LL GO UP ON THE WEBSITE AND I'LL FORWARD IT TO YOU GUYS.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THE UPDATED PLAN AND JUST, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR OUR BIG ISSUE, SO IF WENDELL SAYS CHANGES AND YOU HAVE HAVE TIME TO GET THOSE CHANGES, THOSE CHANGES WILL BE VERY EASY.
I MEAN THAT'S YEAH, AS LONG AS WE, THAT'S WE WE'LL DO THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WENDELL BECAUSE WE NEED THE NEXT MEETING.
EIGHT END SIXTH, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK THIS TIME.
WEEKS HELPS A LOT BECAUSE IT MEANS IT'S NOT NINE DAYS FROM TODAY, IT'S 16 DAYS.
SO MEETING THE SIXTH, WE HAVE TO HAVE STUFF BY THE FIRST.
SO HOW FAR, HOW WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE IT DONE IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE ANY CHANGES? BUT AT FIRST I'M GONNA ASSIGN IT TO SOMEONE TOMORROW, BUT I HOPE THEY HAVE THEM AND SEAN WILL GET ME THE MATERIALS AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY WORK BACK AND FORTH WITH THAT WITH IDEAS.
IF THERE'S WAYS TO IMPROVE THE INTERNAL TRAFFIC MODE.
OBVIOUSLY I'M HOPING THAT UT WILL HAVE SOME INPUT FOR THE ENTRANCE ON THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVING THAT, MOVING THAT DRIVEWAY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAKING A LINE ENTRANCE.
THERE'S REALLY NO MITIGATION FOR THAT EITHER GONNA WORK OR NOT WORK.
UM, ANY OTHER ISSUES? YOU TALKED ABOUT FLOODPLAIN.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THE FLOODPLAIN? DO YOU WANT, UH, SOME INFORMATION THEY'VE SUBMITTED ON THE FLOODPLAIN OR GOING TO SUBMIT ABOUT WHY THIS WILL GET A MARMAR? SO I HAVE A MINUTE.
FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE UM, ANTHONY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING HIS ANALYSIS FOR THE PARKING CALCULATIONS.
AND WHAT THE ANALYSIS WAS TO DECIDE THE INTERNAL PARKING FLOW.
UM, SO GET THAT NEEDS TO GO TO WENDELL.
THAT IS BEFORE THEY REVIEW IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FROM OUR LAST LASTING IS THAT THEY
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ALONG WITH THIS DRAWING CAN GO YOUR ALONG WITH THE PEAK.JUST I'M GOING THROUGH MY HEAD.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THE OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK, AND AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
NO ONE'S GONNA DRIVE BY AND SAY, HEY, THAT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE WATERFRONT AREA.
I THINK THEY ALREADY, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
REMEMBER THEY'RE RECOMMENDING YOU HAVE MAKE THE DECISION ON WATERFRONT AS A RIGHT.
THE ONE SHE THOUGHT THE BUILDING WAS UP
THERE ARE 18 PEOPLE IN THE WATERFRONT.
THERE'S 27 WITH ONLY, ONLY AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS VOTED 10 TO NOTHING.
AND THEN EIGHT MORE PEOPLE ADDED IN SO THEY REVO AGAIN AND IT WAS STILL 17.
THAT'S ABOUT THOSE, THOSE VOLUNTEER ONE.
UM, LANDSCAPING GUYS, ANY COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING? GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
YOU TALK ABOUT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES YOU DETERMINE TOOK THAT OUTTA THE CODE INTO YOUR DECISION ON PARKING.
THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION OF HOW THEY CALCULATED THE MARKETING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THERE.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE SPECIAL EVENTS AND WHATEVER.
'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA DO SPECIAL EVENTS AT YOUR BREWERY.
WE'RE HOPING YEAH, WE WANNA, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, THE COOL ONES ARE THE, THE THE OLD CAR, THE ANTIQUE CAR SHOWS THEY PUT ALL, WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR, WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU.
BUT ANYWAY, SO WHERE'S CAR FOR OVERSIGHT VEHICLES? SO IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A BUS OR A LIMOUSINE OR SO, WHERE ARE THOSE FOLKS PARKING OR WHERE ARE DESIGN PEOPLE, UH, RESPONSIBLY GETTING, UH, A LIFT OR AN UBER, SOME OTHER SORT OF RIDE? IS THERE A SPECIAL AREA FOR RIDE SHARE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER? I, I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED, I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE EASEMENT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PARKING LOT.
I'M BE WELL OUTSIDE EVEN YOUR CURRENT
SO CURRENTLY, LIKE RIGHT NOW IN P'S PLACE, IF WE HAVE A BUS COME IN, WHICH WE HAVE KIDS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SCHOOL TEAMS AND WHATNOT GO FROM ST.
FRANCIS TO OUR RESTAURANT, THEY A LOT OF TIMES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY GO TO THE PARKING RIDE, THEY DROP EVERYONE OFF AND THEY DRIVE TO THE PARKING LOT AND THEY WAIT THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE AND IT'S CONVENIENT.
THEY CAN SWING IN AND OUT EASY.
THERE'S NO ISSUES IN THIS SITUATION FOR THE BREWERY.
OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS, THEY GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE LOOP, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BACK IN HERE NEXT TO WHERE THE, WHERE OUR SEMIS AND OUR DELIVERIES WOULD BE ABLE TO BACK INTO.
I'D HAVE A BUS WAIT THERE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S MULTIPLE BUSES.
I HAVE TO MOVE THEM TO AN AREA WITHIN PEG SPACE PARKING AND HAVE 'EM OFF, YOU KNOW, OUT THE WAY.
SO NOW THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS, THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE OTHER, NONE OF THESE ROADS ARE GONNA ABLE TO PARK A LOT, RIGHT? YOU CANNOT PARK.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING'S, A LOT OF PARKING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE I OWN ALL THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, I'M HOPING I COME BACK AND SEE YOU GUYS IN A YEAR AND A HALF AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TWO DEALT, GOTTA CAME BACK AND PUT MORE BLACK LAPTOP ANYWAY.
BUT WHY DO THAT NOW IF WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT.
BUT THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS AND THE WORRY IS THERE'S NO PARKING ON THOSE HIGHWAYS.
SO THERE'S NO PARK ON ROUTE FIVE, LAKE SHORE ROAD OR, OR OLD LAKE SHORE ROAD.
I BELIEVE THERE'S NO PARKING IN THAT AREA.
IT'LL JUST, IF PEOPLE COME AND THE PARKING LOT IS FULL, THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE PLACE IN THE OTHER PLACES IS THAT PEOPLE PARK ON THE ROADS, WALK PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS, ET CETERA, WHATEVER.
WE NEED AN UPDATED PLAN STATEMENT.
THE CURRENT L STATEMENT PLAN THAT YOU HAVE ON FILE HAS SAYS WRITING AND WRITE OUT.
SO JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, ONE OF THE PLANS WE HANDED OUT AGAIN THEY'RE ON IS THE UPDATE.
WE SUBMITTED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AND UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TRUCK ROUTING PLAN.
AND I JUST RECEIVED THOSE TODAY.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT NOW THEY ARE HERE.
SO IF WE WANNA HAND THOSE OUT TO YOU NOW BEFORE YOU LEAVE, THEY'RE HERE.
SARAH, YOU EMAIL THOSE TOMORROW MORNING? YOU EMAIL IN THE MORNING? I WILL.
I KNOW THE TAB TOMORROW NIGHT I'LL HAVE TO OUR FINAL.
DOES EVERYONE, DOES EVERYONE WANT A HARD COPY OR NO? I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY.
I CAN'T EMAIL IT OUT UNTIL I GET IT FROM ANTHONY.
SO ONE FOR THE, OKAY, I'LL TAKE A HARD COPY OF NOT SURE.
NO, WE'LL GET IT, I'LL BE ABLE TO EMAIL.
I JUST CAN'T DO IT TOMORROW MORNING.
BUT HERE I HAVE IT AND IT'S EASIER TO READ FULL SIZE
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COPIES.AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE, THEY'VE ASKED YOU IF WE COULD PREPARE RESOLUTIONS.
UM, YOU WANNA DO THAT AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM WENDELL, FROM GHD, FROM SARAH OR THE APPLICANT? ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR
BUT, AND I REALLY HAD NO ISSUES.
SO THIS IS ALL UN YEAH, WE'RE IMPROVING THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FIELD, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO TREES OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE ON THE SITE.
THERE'S, WELL IT'S THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, THEY'RE DEAD ASH TREES, WHATEVER IS LEFT.
THERE ARE A FEW DEAD ASH TREES ON THE SITE.
NOPE, NO SETBACKS ON PARKING AREAS.
YOU MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHATEVER.
SO AGAIN, THE PLAN, THERE WAS MINOR CHANGES TO IT.
SO YEAH, THESE ARE, I MEAN THESE REALLY ARE MINOR CHANGES AND I WASN'T NOT CLASS THE BUILDING LOCATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S LITERALLY WHAT I WENT OVER.
ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OVER, BOB JUST EMAILED ME THESE THREE PLANS.
WHEN I GET IT, I'LL SEND IT OUT TO YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
WHAT? HE'S JUST BEING SUFFICIENT.
BOB HAS A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN INVESTED TRYING TO MOVE THIS
LIKE IF WE HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS TIME, HE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND HE'S VERY FOCUSED AND ON QUICKLY.
YEAH, NO, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.
SO ON THAT SUBJECT, WHAT IS YOUR IMPRESSION OF THE TIMELINE GOING FORWARD? SO, YOU KNOW, AND IN A, UM, IN A PERFECT WORLD, LIKE COULD OPEN IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR, WHICH MEANS YOU NEED TO START BY ONE ABOUT, UM, YESTERDAY.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST WHAT'S COMING.
SO WE'RE HOPING, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY, WE MIGHT HAVE TO PUSH IT TO SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ALL SYSTEMS GO READY TO GO.
AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, OF COURSE, AS PART OF POTENTIAL PROJECT FINANCING IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT.
SO IT IS, SO IT IS IMPORTANT REGARDLESS OF WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS.
RIGHT? I JUST KIND OF NO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WONDER WHEN, WHEN YOU WE'RE BEING EFFICIENT.
SO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, DO WE, OR I GUESS JOHN'S QUESTION, DO WE WANT ANY PRELIMINARY RESOLUTIONS AND PRELIMINARY PART TWO AND PART THREE THAT WE CAN WALK THROUGH THE NEXT MEETING? I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING IF IT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
SO WE CAN, I I THINK THAT OTHER THAN THE CHANGES, POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PARKING LAYOUT, WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION OTHER THAN FINAL PLANS IN ONE OTHER THING, AND I WANNA MAKE THIS CLEAR.
SO BONNIE LOCKWOOD, OUR ARCHEOLOGIST IS FINALIZING HER CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT.
NOT THAT IT'S PARTICULARLY INTEREST IN READING, BUT AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT, I'LL ALSO GET A COPY TO SARAH IF ANYONE WANTS TO READ IT.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE THAT PRIOR TARGET MEETING? YEAH, I, SHE, SHE WAS GONNA TRY AND GET DONE TO THAT AS A FOUR O'CLOCK TODAY.
SHE SAID WE'LL HAVE IT BY FIVE 30 AND I HAVEN'T YET.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE CONCURRENTLY SUBMITTED TO SHIPPO.
IT'LL BE UPLOADED TO THE CHRIS SYSTEM AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A RESPONSE FOR THAT MEETING.
OKAY, LET'S, LET'S HOPE WE'VE EVEN ACCEPTED OTHER TIMES JUST A LETTER IF THERE'S NO CONCERNS, JUST SAYING WE DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS, IT'LL BE TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE RIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A RESPONSE 30 DAYS.
SO IF THEY, SOMETIMES THEY CAN, SOMETIMES THEY GO QUICK.
THEY'RE SOMETIMES REALLY QUICK.
I CAN BE, WE CAN THEY ARE APPROVAL CONTINUE UPON.
FINAL SIGN OFF FROM AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT REPORT.
UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SOLAR PROJECT, THEY LOOK A HALF MILE FOR ANY HISTORIC BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL START PREPARING THAT STUFF.
WE'LL, I'LL GET MATERIALS AHEAD OF YOU.
I DON'T SEND RESOLUTIONS AHEAD,
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BUT I'LL SEND ANY MATERIALS OF THE MEMO THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THIS, WE REVIEWED THIS, ET CETERA.PART TWO AND THREE, TWO AND THREE.
I CAN TRY GET AND THEN IF WE, IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES, WE WILL SUBMIT UPDATED PLANS AND A LETTER PRIOR TO YOUR DEADLINE FOR THE NEXT WEEK.
SO BOB JOHNSON, UNTIL OCTOBER 6TH, NEXT TIME AGENDA IS REQUESTING PLANNING ORDER APPROVAL OF MODIFICATIONS TO AN APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AND BASE LAND NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH ANTHONY DANIELI FROM THE DANIELI FAMILY COMPANIES, ALSO KNOWN AS ROYAL WASH.
AS YOU RECALL, YOU APPROVED THIS PROJECT FOR A-J-S-E-K OF HAMBURG, JOE ESPINO DURING YOUR MEETING ON AUGUST 4TH, 2021.
AS A RESULT OF SOME UNRELATED DISCUSSIONS, BASICALLY ROYAL WASH ANTHONY AND HIS FAMILY AND JOE ESPINO ARE GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
OBVIOUSLY ROYAL WASH HAS A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE IN THIS INDUSTRY THAN JOE DOES, AND AS A RESULT UPON LOOKING AT THE APPROVED PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY MADE SOME VERY MINOR, MINOR CHANGES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE, GIVEN THAT YOU JUST REVIEWED THIS DURING YOUR MEETING IN EARLY AUGUST TO COME IN, PRESENT THIS AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MINOR CHANGES.
NONE OF WHICH I THINK ARE VERY PARTICULARLY SUBSTANTIVE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT YOU APPROVED.
THIS IS SITE PLAN YOU APPROVED DURING YOUR ME FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.
AND THEN THIS IS A NEW SITE PLAN.
ANTHONY, I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THE CHANGES AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DOWN THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON PURPOSE.
NOW WE'RE PRESENTING A PROPERLY ORIENTED SEPTEMBER 2ND.
ONE SECOND NOT WAIT, WHAT'S GOING ON? YEAH, SO WE, WE, WE DID SUBMIT YEP.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE
WE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LIGHTING.
SO I'M GONNA GO OVER QUICKLY WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
THERE WERE 11, CORRECT? 11 CHANGES, YES.
BUT LET ME LET, THEY'RE VERY, VERY MINOR.
SO NUMBER ONE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WAS CHANGED FROM 130 FEET BY 30 FEET TO 128 FEET BY 32 FEET.
THAT RESULTS IN AN INCREASE OF THE BUILDING SIZE BY, FROM 4,030 SQUARE FEET AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO 4,096 SQUARE FEET.
AND I THINK THAT'S JUST THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE STANDARD BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR A AURORA WASH.
DOES THAT ONE MAKE SENSE AGAIN? 50 SQUARE FEET.
TWO, AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, ALTHOUGH YOU WON'T SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE RE RELOCATED OFFICE, FROM EXIT SIDE OF THE INTERIOR TUNNEL TO THE ENTRANCE SIDE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR EXPERIENCE AND JUST INTRODUCING MYSELF, IT'S ANTHONY DANIELI FROM THE ROYAL CAR WASHES.
UH, WE HAVE 13 OPERATING, UH, CAR WASHES IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
FOUR OF THEM ARE IN, UH, ERIE COUNTY AND, UH, AROUND BUFFALO.
UM, THE REASON WE SWITCHED THIS, THE, THE, THE TUNNEL FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER IS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
UH, THE, THE, THE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE WORKING IN THE CAR WASH ARE GONNA BE ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE VEHICLE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING THE CAR, YOU'RE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
WHEN YOU PULL IN THE OFFICE AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE CROSSING, WE DON'T WANT, OR WE TRY TO MINIMIZE TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, UH, EMPLOYEES CROSSING IN FRONT OF VEHICLES, CROSSING IN FRONT OF VEHICLES IS A BAD IDEA.
SO, UH, WHAT THIS DOES, IT ALSO ALLOWS THE EMPLOYEES, UH, TO ASSIST PEOPLE AT THE KIOSKS, UH, AT THE, UH, IF YOU WILL, THE ATMS AND THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE CAR WASH, WHICH IS THE SAME CONCEPT, UH, AS WHAT MR. SPINO HAD.
BUT AGAIN, SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN THE OFFICE WHO WANTED TO GO OUT AND ASSIST A CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO CROSS IN FRONT OF, UH, OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CAR WASH.
WHICH AGAIN, JUST BASICALLY JUST A LOGISTICAL MORE, MORE SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE EMPLOYEES, LESS CONFLICT WITH VEHICLES.
THE NEXT CHANGE WE MADE IS WE ADDED CONCRETE, CONCRETE, CONCRETE ADDED FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE PAY STATIONS TO THE VACUUM OF THERE.
DO YOU WANNA POINT OUT WHERE THAT IS? AND AGAIN, THAT, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEW PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE DARKER SHADE THAT'S ASPHALT.
UH, AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL ASPHALT.
UH, THIS IS A LOT MORE CONCRETE AND IT JUST CREATES A, A MORE LONG-TERM.
UH, YOU KNOW, LE LEFT POT LESS POTHOLES, UH, WITH PLOWING AND EVERYTHING
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ELSE.UH, AND I, IT SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS BEFORE THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT TO THE TUNNEL IS HEATED CONCRETE.
SO THERE'S, UH, HEAT UNDERNEATH.
SO FROM A ICE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALSO SAFER FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR VEHICLES AS THEY ENTER AND EXIT THE TUNNEL.
THE DARK SHAGGING IS THE ASPHALT.
THE SPECKLED IS THE CONCRETE, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN SEE WE REPLACED A LOT OF ASPHALT WITH CONCRETE, WHICH IS AN UPGRADE.
THE NEXT CHANGE IS WE ADDED FIVE PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND SHIFTED THE QING LANES TO THE EAST.
AND AGAIN, IT IS MORE OF JUST OUR EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY.
UH, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO GET A CAR WASH, BUT SOMETIMES THEY MAY HAVE A QUESTION, THEY MIGHT WANT TO GO IN AND ASK A QUESTION IN THE OFFICE.
THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED BEFORE, UH, YOU KIND OF GOT IN THE QUEUE FOR A CAR WASH AND THERE WAS REALLY NO WAY TO STOP AND ASK A QUESTION.
YOU WERE KIND OF, IF YOU WANTED TO STOP, YOU WERE BLOCKING EVERYBODY BEHIND YOU.
UH, SO THOSE AREN'T REALLY INTENDED TO BE LONG-TERM PARKING SPOTS, BUT THEY HA THEY GIVE THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN TO BE ABLE TO PULL OFF TO THE SIDE, SAFELY, GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE, GO INTO THIS OFFICE, PARTICULARLY THE OFFICE WHERE WITHOUT BLOCKING THE QE, WITHOUT BUYING THE QE OR, OR CREATING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE PEOPLE GET ANGRY AT CREATES, CREATES LOGO.
SO, SO WE EXTENDED THE SITE ENTRANCE EAST TO LINE WITH THE QUEUING LANES.
AND AGAIN, A MINOR, A MINOR CHANGE, UH, SORRY, YOU THE PARALLEL PARKING.
SO THIS, THIS LINE, YOU SEE WHERE YOU'RE WELCOME PUSHED OVER CLOSER TO THE EDGE BATTERY LINE.
NEXT WE EXTENDED THE SITE ENTRANCE TO LINE ON THE CUING LINES.
SO LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THE POINT IS THERE.
SO AS YOU CAN RECALL, PREVIOUSLY, THAT CONNECTION POINT WAS IN THE MIDDLE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE MOVED THAT FURTHER TO EAST TO CREATE MORE OF LIKE A T AND OBVIOUSLY, KEEP IN MIND THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OFFSITE.
SO THAT DEFINITELY MAKES INTERIOR TRAFFIC CIRCULATION BETTER.
AND AGAIN, THE THE, WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS 99% OF THE VEHICLES WILL PULL IN JUST AND HAVE A STRAIGHT SHOT TOWARDS THE, UH, PAY STATIONS WHEN THEY COME OUT.
UH, THEY'LL BE FORCED TO MAKE A RIGHT AND EITHER STOP AND DO THE VACUUMS OR CONTINUE OUT INTO THE, UH, THE NORMAL EXIT, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS DESIGNED BEFORE, WHICH IS THE NEXT CHANGE.
AS ANTHONY JUST MENTIONED, THE EXIT LANE FROM THE CAR WASH TUNNEL WAS MADE TO RIGHT TURN ONLY MEANING RATHER THAN HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO LEFT, WE'RE GONNA FORCE YOU TO GO BACK OUT THAT WAY.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION BETTER.
RIGHT? LESS CONFLICT, LESS, UH, LEFT TURNS, LESS CROSSING VEHICLES.
THE VACUUM STALLS ARE ANGLED BASED ON THE ANGLED PARKING.
WE ON THE VACUUM THAT NICK, SOMEBODY USE THOSE VACUUMS. THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE CAR WASH.
UH, I MEAN IT, THERE IS A WAY TO GET, IF I PULL IN THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO PULL IN THERE.
BECAUSE, SO IF YOU CAME IN, YOU COULD MAKE A LEFT BECAUSE, AND JUST GO THROUGH TO THE PARKING SPACES.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTENDED TO BE FOR FASTPASS CUSTOMERS OR IF YOU GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH, BUT THERE IS A WAY TO GET IN AND GET OUT WITHOUT GETTING TRAPPED.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT, BECAUSE COULD SOMEBODY THERE MY CAR? ABSOLUTELY.
WE ADDED FOUR FEET OF SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THE VACUUM STALLS, WHICH THAT MAKES SENSE.
NEXT WE CHANGED ONE TREE TYPE ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FROM FIVE RED MAPLE TREES TO FIVE ZELKOVA TREES.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT IS ON THE TOWN'S LIST OF LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS HERE.
ANTHONY, I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU ON WHY YOU LIKE THAT TREE TYPE.
YEAH, WE'RE, WELL, IT'S MORE MY BROTHER THAN MYSELF GET A LITTLE FINICKY INTO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I HONESTLY, FOR ME, UP UNTIL RECENTLY IT, IT'S, SO IT'S UH, MEAN I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A VARIETY.
YEAH, IT'S STILL A MAJOR TREE, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT GROWS, UH, THE CANOPY GOES MORE VERTICAL, SO, SO RATHER THAN BRANCHES, IT'S NOT A MAPLE, BUT I MEAN, WHAT IS IT? UH, IT'S, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A SEPARATE TREE TYPE.
YEAH, IT'S A SEPARATE TREE TYPE, BUT IT GROWS THE SAME.
NOW MAPLES CAN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH VARIETY YOU GET, I MEAN THOSE THINGS CAN GET HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD.
THESE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THE BRANCHES GO LIKE THIS, THEY GO, THEY GO MORE UP.
AND IT IS ON THE TOWNS, UH, PLANTING LIST.
IT'S VERY POPULAR IN LIKE VILLAGE DRIVES AGAIN, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRIM.
AND THEY ALSO GENERALLY DON'T GROW ANY, ANY HIGHER THAN ABOUT 30 FEET TALL.
I'VE BEEN REQUESTING, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING? NO, I DON'T.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NATIVE SPECIES.
THE MAPLES ARE NATIVE AND NO, WE CAN BRING ONE.
I MEAN THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS RIGHT HERE.
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I'VE SEEN YOU.UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF 'EM, THEY, THEY TEND TO GET OUTTA CONTROL.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ROYAL WASH PROGRAM.
AND THEN FINALLY, ALTHOUGH THERE WASN'T A LOT OF TIME SPENT ORIGINALLY, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE THE ROYAL WASH BUILDING.
WHICH FEATURES YOU WANNA SHOW US THE CARD PLAN TWO OR SEAN? HOW MANY MORE? I, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS THREE.
YOUR SUMMARY SAVED, YOU SAID MORE.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS THREE MORE, LESS.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THERE IS THERE IS STILL NO LIGHTING SPILL OVER.
AGAIN, FROM A, YEAH, I MEAN, WE STILL RESPECT, UH, AS IS REQUIRED BY CODE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU ADD MORE LIGHTS, IT, IT, IT, IT MEANS YOU CAN USE LESS BRIGHT LIGHTS AND IT'S MORE OF AN EVEN, UH, AND THEN THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING I THINK LOOKS QUITE NICE.
AND I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPEARANCE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE.
IN HAMBURG, THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PROTOTYPE 2021 ROYAL WASH IS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON UNION ROAD IN THE TOWN OF CHEEK DAGA AT THE OLD SHOWCASE.
SO THIS IS NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THE BUILDING AND THE RENDERS THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
NO, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE BRICK, BUT IT, THIS IS NOT THE RENDERING.
NO, IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME RENDERING.
SO THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS GONNA BE THAT THE PART OF THE PITCH OF WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN BEFORE IN THIS WHOLE PROJECT BEFORE WAS HOW THE OTHER BUILDING HAS HAD LOOKED.
AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXTERIOR STYLE.
I THINK THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL ELEVATION, I THINK IT'S QUITE NICE.
IT'S HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT THE RESIDENTIAL SLOPE ROOF.
THIS IS NOT THE CAR WASH OF YESTERDAY.
WE HAD A REALLY NICE BUFFALO THEMED YEAH.
NEW YORK THEME THING BEFORE AND NOW WE'VE GOT A A DIFFERENT AESTHETIC.
I MEAN ANTHONY WOULD STILL SAY IT'S WESTERN YORK THEME BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S YEAH, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY COLONIAL WESTERN NEW YORK.
UH, DO ALL THE ROYAL CAR WASHES LOOK EXACTLY SAME EXCEPT THEY GET NICER AND NICER OVER TIME.
THIS IS THE CURRENT, WE, WE ENHANCE LANDSCAPING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THE ACTUAL 4,096 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IS BIG.
I WAS WITH MINOR UNTIL THE ENTIRE MORE IMPROVE SERVICE DO WE HAVE ON THIS NEW PLAN.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN, I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGED AT ALL.
IT MIGHT BE A, COULD BE SOME INCREMENTAL MINOR SQUARE FEET, BUT NOT A LOT.
WELL, WE'RE INCREASING SQUARE, WE'RE INCREASING BY 50 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S ABOUT, WE HAVE MORE MULTIPLE PLACES, MORE BLACK.
THAT'S WHAT, BUT WE'VE ALSO NARROWED SOME OF, WE'VE NARROWED SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
YEAH, WE'VE NARROWED SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IMPERVIOUS, I, I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY LESS, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I THINK THERE'S LESS IMPERVIOUS.
THERE'S ABOUT WHAT, 50 SQUARE FEET MORE IN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO RIGHT NOW, SO ON THE CURRENT PLAN 48, THERE'S 52% WOULD BE GREEN SPACE.
AND ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN, SAME EXACT 52%, IT'S 1.03 OR IT'S 1.04.
SO IT'S A MINOR CHANGE, BUT NOT ALL THOSE LITTLE MINOR CHANGES THERE.
I MEAN THAT'S A NOT REALLY, THE SIMPLE THING IS IF, IF YOU BELIEVE, YOU BELIEVE IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO DO AN AMENDED PUBLIC HEARING, FIRST MEETING, YOU HAVE TO HEARING, YOU'RE GONNA DO AMENDMENT TO THE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CHANGES ARE ENOUGH AND WE CAN'T JUST SAY, AH, WE'RE MINOR ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN JUST GO WITH THE APPROVAL, CHANGE THINGS YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THREE WEEKS DO AN AMENDED SITE.
LIKE A, OF COURSE OUR PRE OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO FINALIZE THIS DECEIVING, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING IT APPROVED.
WELL, WE'RE DOING AN AMENDED SITE APPROVAL.
AND I, AND I DO WANNA NOTE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ELEVATION, WHICH I THINK IS AS NICE AS THE PREVIOUS ELEVATION, THE CHANGES REALLY ARE MINOR.
I MEAN, I WENT INTO MORE DETAIL THAN PROBABLY ANYONE ELSE WOULD ON EXPLAINING WHAT THOSE WERE.
WELL, I THINK IT'S TRUE FOR THE OTHER THINGS, BUT
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I FEEL LIKE AT THE END IT WAS THE EXTERIOR, LOOK AT THE BUILDING, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, THETHERE WAS A SECOND STORY WINDOWS, AND THEN THE THIRD STORY WINDOWS PEAK THING ON THE TOP.
THIS LOOKS INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD HAD THE ON.
RIGHT? IT'S A DIFFERENT ELEVATION.
YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENT ELEVATION.
I DON'T THINK ANY ARGUING, I THINK THAT THAT CHANGE IS HARD ENOUGH TO WANT THAT WE POTENTIALLY MOVE SITE.
SO IT'S CLEAR IN THE RECORDS THAT WASN'T LIKE, OH, THEY IGNORED THE FACT THAT IT DIFFERENT BUILDING, UM, THAT WE'LL REAPPROVE IT, WHATEVER.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IN THE MIDDLE AND PULL SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT WE PITCHED IN LIGHT FROM THIS ORIGINAL SITE PLAN AND THIS ORIGINAL RENDER IN THIS ORIGINAL BUILDING.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO BRING ANY OF THIS BACK IN? THIS IS A, YEAH, I MEAN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A, FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ROYAL CAR WASH.
I MEAN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 14 OF THEM THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, PROBABLY ANOTHER FOUR UNDER DEVELOPMENT IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
UM, SO I GUESS TO CLARIFY, IS JSEK DEVELOPING THIS WITH ROYAL CAR WASH WITH THEIR HOUSE AS A, AS A PARTNER? OR IS THIS HUNDRED PERCENT BEING PURCHASED AND OWNED THAT RIGHT.
BY BRITTLE, THE OWNER OF IT WILL BE AN ENTITY OWNED BY THE DANIEL FAMILY.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, MR. SPINO, UH, FOR ABOUT THE PAST FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS.
UM, SO WHEN THIS UPDATED RENDERING, BECAUSE THAT, BECAUSE IT, IT'S A LONG STORY, BUT, SO THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT, THERE'S ANOTHER PRO.
NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNED DEAL YET.
HE WAS, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, HE WAS, THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE TOWN OF WEST SENECA ROYAL WASH WAS PROPOSING A PROJECT NEARBY THE TOWN OF WEST SENECA DIDN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT LOCATION FOR THE CAR WASH.
THAT PROMPTED DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN ANTHONY AND JOE, WHICH ENDED IN A DEAL FOR BOTH SITES.
AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED THE SITE PLAN.
NOT LONG AFTER, BUT AFTER AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT WE SAID, WELL, WE BETTER TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLANS.
IF WE'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES, WE PRESENT THEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WELL, EITHER WAY YOU'VE GOTTA CALL PUBLIC.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THESE ARE MINOR.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE IT TONIGHT.
HAVE YOU HAVE TO CALL? I KNOW WE WE'RE, WE'RE, BUT IT'S, REMEMBER IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT SPONSOR.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WASN'T INTENTIONAL.
WE INTENTIONALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH JOE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE A FEW TWEAKS.
THE THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN ITSELF IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY IDENTICAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT IDENTICAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY MINOR.
THE, THE ONLY REAL CHANGE IS THE ELEVATION ITSELF.
AND I KNOW EVERY TOWN'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, NOR NORMALLY WE'RE DEALING WITH A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OR WHATEVER.
UH, AND YOU REMEMBER FOR THIS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL FINDINGS OF, RIGHT? YEP.
THIS IS JUST ENOUGH SCALE OF THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO REBUILD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WAS IT SPECIFIC ISSUE RELATED? YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF IT WAS OUT ON A REGULAR HIGHWAY, WHATEVER, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
WE HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE TINY THAT IT JUST SAYS, BUT IN FINDING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE TO PART NOW NOT HAVING UPSCALE BUILDING.
I WOULD NOTE THAT ANTHONY, OBVIOUSLY HIS COMPANY STARTED IN MONROE COUNTY AND THIS PLAN, THE CURRENT 2021 PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARDS THEMSELVES.
SO I MEAN, IT IS DIFFERENT, CAITLIN, THERE'S NO DOUBT.
BUT I THINK IT'S STILL NOT, IT'S SHOWING PICTURE HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SIGN.
IS THAT PART OF THE SITE PLAN? WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON OUR SITE IS TO HAVE A GROUND SIGN.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, THIS IS JUST SHOW, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CHEEK BOX.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SEE.
WE'RE SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN.
YOU'RE SHOWING, WE'RE SHOWING A GROUND SIGN OUT ALONG THE FRONT.
AND ISN'T SARAH, WHAT DO WE HAVE ON, UH, WE HAVE TWO NEW PROJECTS.
WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MR. BROCKS AND MS. JOHNSON.
AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN TODAY'S MOTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO
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SEE THAT WE WANT US TO PROVIDE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? THAT'S THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF ALL OIL.RIGHT? THE SAME DESIGN FOR MOST, RIGHT.
ANTHONY? YOU LOOKED AT IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGE THEY HAD, IT'S 'CAUSE IT BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH.
WHEN, YOU KNOW THE ROYAL ONE, WE SAW THE ORIGINAL IS JFS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
THE JS I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF, OF THE BUSINESS PRODUCT.
SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT AND I I I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AND I KIND OF AGREED WE DIDN'T GET THIS KIND OF INTERCEPTION OR THIS, THIS STUFF.
I DON'T, I DON'T DO THIS FULL TIME.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO, IT'S GORGEOUS.
BUT WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED AND WE SAW FIRST THAT I LOOKED AT AND I HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY, I WAS GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT NOW I, I'M KIND OF, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE PUBLIC HEARINGS NEEDED ONLY BECAUSE OF THAT CONCEPT, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DELAY ANYTHING.
AND IT GIVES ME, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN NEED FOR ME WHEN I ACCEPTED WHAT WE SAW.
AND IT GIVES YOU THREE WEEKS TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I DO WANNA KNOW WITH, WITH THE LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED, WE DID INCLUDE A COPY OF THE POWER RECORDING AND I ALWAYS, EVERYONE IS BUSY, BUT WE, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO NOT DISCLOSE THAT.
WELL, WHAT OTHER INFORMATION WOULD YOU WANT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THEY DIFFERENT TRAFFIC FLOW NUMBERS THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED.
CONSIDERING IT'S A DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT COMING IN.
IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, THE NOISE NUMBERS, THE NOISE, THE LIGHTING,
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CHANGES.
AND TRAFFIC, REMEMBER BASED ON IT, IT'S THE SAME.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING'S 50 SQUARE FEET, THE TUNNEL, THE STACKING, I MEAN IT'S ALL MADE.
WE HAD NOISE RESTRICTIONS ON THE EQUIPMENT THEY WERE BRINGING IN.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME EQUIPMENT.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE CONDITIONS YEAH, THE, THE CONDITIONS WOULD REMAIN.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD MORE ELEMENTS THAT TIED INTO MORE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
IT WAS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER, THE COMMUNITY.
IT WAS MORE UNIQUELY, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING, I DON'T AGREE, BUT IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN I THINK THIS IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA.
NOW CAITLYN, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE IS YOU'D LIKE SOME OF THE NON BUILDING AMENITIES WE HAD ON THE SITE.
I MEAN WE CAN ENGAGE IN THAT DISCUSSION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I MEAN NOT HE HAD BUFFALOES 'CAUSE HE WAS GONNA CALL IT BLUE BUFFALO.
NOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, WE'RE NOT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE WE LIKE IGNITE ON A HORSE
NO, I MEAN I JUST, IF I'M GONNA BE CANDID, COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE AND I'M JUST ONE ON THE HORSE, I LIKE THE AESTHETIC LOOK OF DESIGN BETTER.
AND I, IN MY OPINION, NOT THAT THIS DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, BUT WHEN YOU'RE EXPECTING THIS AND THEN IT'S GONNA BECOME THIS, IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A BAIT AND SQUISH.
LIKE, WELL WE GOT, WE GOT THE, THE OVERALL LAYOUT THE SAME, BUT WE'RE COMPLETELY CHANGING THE BUILDING WE'RE PUTTING IN.
BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT'S THE SAME.
WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS A BUSINESS TRANSACTION OCCURRED AND ULTIMATELY ROYAL WASH, BECAUSE IT'S IN THIS BUSINESS, IS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS BUSINESS.
THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME REFINING THE APPEARANCE.
I THINK WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND WHY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY WANT ALL THEIR LOCATIONS TO HAVE THE SAME LOOK FOR BRANDING, MARKETING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, IT'S DEBATABLE WHETHER IT'S BETTER.
I UNDERSTAND EACH PERSON HAS THEIR OWN DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT IS A VERY NICE LOOKING BILL IT YES.
I GUESS ANOTHER THING IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT WE DID, WE DELIBERATELY DID MAKE A, AN EFFORT TO MINIMIZE THE CHANGE.
AND I
I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU LOOK AT A NATIVE THREE OPTION.
WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, RIGHT? AND I MEAN REMEMBER NOT, YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.
I CAN, I'LL ARGUE THAT WITH MY BROTHER, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY CONCEDE THAT WHETHER IT MEANS ANYTHING OR NOT THOUGH GENTLEMEN IS FACT WE HAVE TWO BOARD MEMBERS THAT AREN'T HERE.
WE KNOW WHATEVER A REASON, WE KNOW I'D, I MEAN, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I MEAN THERE ARE TWO BOARD, WELL I THINK EVERYONE'S AGREEING THAT YOU WANNA HOLD A HEARING.
YEAH, WE, WE CERTAINLY RESPECT.
IT'S ENOUGH OF A CHANGE THAT IT, YEAH, NO, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
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THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JSK FOR OCTOBER 6TH.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PRELIMINARY APPROVAL 67 SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON THE, WHERE DO WE WANNA START WITH THAT? IN THE BOX? SO I GUESS I'LL START, BUT I WELCOME ANY ANYONE'S OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN AS AGAIN SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL DURING YOUR MEETING ON AUGUST 18TH, I DID PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE SEEKER SUBMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT SUBMISSION WAS TO RESPOND SPECIFICALLY TO THE POTENTIAL IDENTIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS BOARD IDENTIFIED AS BEING POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.
UM, I THINK IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH SUBMISSION.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE I'M UNAWARE OF RECEIVING ANY COMMENTS BACK ON THAT TO DATE, I WOULD NOTE AGAIN, A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HAS BEEN CONDUCTED TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
NONE OF THE INVOLVED AGENCIES HAVE EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER THE COURSE OF BASICALLY THE ENTIRE 2021 ABOUT CLUSTERING VERSUS NON CLUSTERING.
OUR PREFERENCE OF COURSE, STILL BEING THE 60 LOT CLUSTERED SUBDIVISION.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE BENEFITS THAT RESULT FROM THAT, INCLUDING THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ALONG, UM, THE ROAD ALONG PARKER ROAD, THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD RING AROUND THE SUBDIVISION, THE ONSITE TRAIL SYSTEM, THE RIPARIAN BUFFER, LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THIS BOARD DURING THIS MEETING ON AUGUST 18TH WAS THE RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN.
AND AS YOU RECALL, JODY CELESTE FROM EARTH DIMENSIONS WAS AT THAT MEETING.
WE DID SUBMIT AN UPDATED VERSION OF THAT, WHICH I THINK LARGELY RESPONDED, UH, TO CAITLIN'S COMMENTS.
I WOULD NOTE THAT BASICALLY WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS.
WE CLEARLY LABELED WHAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN ARE.
SHE PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT TWO OF MY LETTER, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS UTILIZED IN DEVELOPING THAT RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN.
AND THEN FINALLY WE EXTENDED THE RIPER BUFFER ONTO THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT MR. MANKO IS NOT PURCHASING, BUT STILL CONSTITUTES A PORTION OF THE CREEK CORRIDOR.
SO WE THINK WE INCORPORATED THE INPUT WE RECEIVED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN.
IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO INTO DETAIL RELATIVE TO THOSE TOPICS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED WITHIN PART TWO OF THE EAF AS BEING POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
OTHERWISE, I THINK WE HAVE CATEGORICALLY DEMONSTRATED IN MY OPINION THAT THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS PROPERLY ZONED AND WHICH FEATURES A CLUSTERED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS WHAT THE ADJOINING PROP OWNERS HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE FOR.
WE DO THINK YOU'RE IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION THIS EVENING.
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ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THAT COMPREHENSIVE SUBMISSION THAT WAS MADE ON AUGUST 18TH, UM, I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BASED ON THE SUBMISSION THAT WE GOT LAST TIME THIS IN FRONT OF US BOOKS? YEAH, IT'S JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU DID JUST SAY THAT EXHIBIT TWO HAD A BACKUP FROM, THAT WAS NOT MY REQUEST.
EXHIBIT TWO, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT EXHIBIT TWO? I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE WAS WRITTEN BACKUP FROM OH NO, THAT'S THE LETTER.
SO WE SUBMITTED A LETTER, UM, SARAH, WHEN WAS THAT? LAST FRIDAY.
A LETTER THAT I, I PREPARED THAT ATTACHED TO IT HAD THE UPDATED RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN AND THEN AT EXHIBIT TWO OF THAT LETTER, THIS PRE, THIS IS AFTER THAT SUBMISSION, UH, THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS UTILIZED BY EARTH DIMENSIONS IN DEVELOPING THE PER BUFFER PLAN.
SOMETIME BEFORE FRIDAY BECAUSE I SENT IT OUT.
SORRY, I JUST, I HAVE A COPY OF IT WITH ME, SARAH, THIS, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONFIRMATION THE RECORD.
WELL WE GOT THAT EMAIL FROM THEM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT DOES SAY IN THERE THAT THEY WANT IT READ INTO THE RECORD SECTION AND I WANT IT READ INTO THE RECORD THAT I ALREADY PROVIDED THAT DOCUMENTATION.
AND, AND THE INDIVIDUAL CLAIMED I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAD IT.
I THINK IT WENT THROUGH HIS JUNK EMAIL.
BUT I MEAN, I HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO BE PROACTIVE IN PROVIDING INFORMATION AND I DID SUBMIT ALSO AN EXTRA BINDER AT THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
I DID DELIVER THESE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS.
THE NIGHT OF THE LAST MEETING.
UH, THE, SO CHAIR MIND, I'LL JUST SAY WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS.
ARE YOU GONNA READ THAT? OH, SORRY.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE, DO WE HAVE TO? I DON'T CARE IF YOU DO OR NOT.
I DON'T, I JUST DON'T WANT, WELL I WANT MY RESPONSE IN THE RECORD THEN TOO.
UM, THINK IT NEEDS TO BE READ IN THE RECORD OR IS THE, THE PAPER THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT ENOUGH IF THE BOARD FEELS THE NEED TO READ IN THE RECORD, THAT'S OKAY.
IS IT AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO DO QUESTION? I DON'T THE WEBSITE.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER TOPIC THAT THERE'S BEEN A TON OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THERE'S SOME NEW INFORMATION.
SO THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT WHETHER THE LOSS OF POTENTIAL LANDS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES REPRESENTS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
I WOULD NOTE BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR COUNSEL, THE PROPERTY IS NOT TODAY NOR HAS IT IN ANY TIME IN 2021 BEEN UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.
I DID SUBMIT A COPY OF A LETTER FROM THE OWNER OF THE LAND'S ATTORNEY BASICALLY SAYING THAT IS THE CASE AND IT WILL NOT BE UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.
SO I THINK THAT POTENTIAL ISSUE GOES AWAY.
AND OF COURSE I WOULD NOTE THAT IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL IS NOT SHOWN IN A COUNTY AG DISTRICT.
SO I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT TOPIC CATEGORICALLY ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONES.
BILL THE FIRST, THE FIRST CONSERVATION BOARD MEMO IS ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE I CAN PUT THE OTHER ONE ON TOMORROW.
YOU WANT ME TO REPLACE IT? I MEAN I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SO IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS DON'T REPLACE IT.
I'LL PUT IN ADDITION NUMBER TWO OR YEP.
UM, YEAH, MY QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA READ IT TO THE RECORD OR YOU FEEL LIKE IN, BECAUSE IGNORING THE FIRST STATEMENTS, I THINK THAT THERE REITERATING IN THE THIS SECOND SUBSTANTIVE AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, IT'S THE RECORD.
I THINK THAT'S SHOULD BE READ, HAVE TO SAY A WORD.
YOU WANNA SAY SOME WORDS, IT'D BE BETTER.
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OKAY.BECAUSE WHAT I THINK OF THIS IS I, I THINK IN YOUR OPINION, I THINK YOUR OPINION ON THAT, THAT MIGHT BE VALID.
ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SO YOU SAID YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE SUMMARIZING THE SUBSTANCE PART OR YOU WANNA DO THAT? I MEAN IS THAT ADEQUATE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE? I MEAN IF OTHER PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD BE READ IN, I WOULD REFER TO, I DON'T HAVE CALL IF THEY IN THE RECORD, IT'S NOT THE, I'LL READ IT THE RECORD, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
FROM COUNTY CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD DATED AUGUST 28TH, 2021, WILLIAM CLARK, CHAIRMAN COUNTY PLANNING BOARD OCC OF FELT REGARDING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION, UM, WILL BE READ INTO PUBLIC MINUTES OF THE TOWN HAM PLANNING BOARD.
AFTER CONTACTING MR. HOPKINS REGARDING THE PROPOSED MACO WE SUBDIVISION LAST WEEK, I WAS ASSURED THAT I WOULD RECEIVE PDF DOCUMENTS FROM THESE SUBDIVISIONS FOR OUR EAB TO REVIEW.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM AS OF TODAY.
WE CANNOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OUR CURRENT JUDGE DETERMINATION THAT BOTH OF THESE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION NEEDS SHOULD BE A FULL EIS.
BOTH OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS WILL HAVE MAJOR IMPACTS ON THE RUSH CREEK SLASH LAKE ERIE WATERSHED.
IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS, THAT IS NOT CORRECT, OUR DECISION SHOULD BE TABLED FOR AT LEAST TWO WEEKS FOR THE CAB TO FULLY REVIEW THE INFORMATION PAGE BY PAGE.
THESE ARE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS IN HUGE IMPACTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FRESH WATER IMPACTS ON RUSH CREEK, FLORIDA AND THE LAKE WATERSHED.
CONSIDER PLEASE READ ALOUD AND ADD THIS LETTER TO THE TOWN OF HAM PLANNING BOARD MS. COURT CHAIRMAN THOMAS HAM CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD AND YOU HAVE A RESPONSE.
AND ALL I WANNA NOTE IS, AS OF THE DATE OF THAT MEMO, I HAD EMAILED COPIES OF BOTH THE SUPPLEMENTAL SUBMISSIONS.
I ALSO DID PROVIDE A HARD COPY AT THE REQUEST OF THIS BOARD DURING ITS AUGUST 18TH MEETING, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY RUN INTO MARK, UH, IT WAS EITHER A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
I EMAILED THEM TO HIM AGAIN WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE AND HE DID CONFIRM THAT HE RECEIVED THEM.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL EMAIL I SENT WENT MAYBE TO WAS JUNK EMAIL AND HE'S GOT SOME FAMILY ISSUES THAT HE'S DEALING AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT HE DOES HAVE COPIES OF THE SUBMISSIONS.
I'M JUST GONNA CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT THEY HEARD DESCRIBED AS SUBDIVISIONS ON BOTH OF THESE.
ONE OF THEM IS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN ONE OF THEM.
YES, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS, BUT I THINK THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE, YEAH, THE MANCO PROJECT OF COURSE IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH OUR PREFERENCE BEING CLUSTERING AND THE WETZEL PROJECT IS A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT WITH ABOUT HALF OF THE SITE BEING PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
I DO WANNA NOTE IN RESPONSE TO THESE, AND AGAIN I BELIEVE THIS IS, THIS MEMO WAS ISSUED WITHOUT REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTATION.
IN TERMS OF WETLANDS, NONE, THERE'S NO WETLAND IMPACTS WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM THE MANCO LAY LAYOUT.
THERE'S A 0.644 ACRE WETLAND LOCATED OVER HERE UNDER EITHER THE CLUSTERING PLAN OR THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN, WHICH IS 66 LOTS AND MORE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THAT WETLAND.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF STORMWATER IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO RUSH CREEK, I THINK BASED ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY COMPLYING WITH THE DE'S STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE VERIFIED BY YOUR TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING.
I THINK WE PROVIDED VERY COMPETENT EVIDENCE PREPARED BY A LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM DEMONSTRATING THIS WILL NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS TO OFFSITE WATERWAYS.
ALRIGHT DREW, YOU WANNA UPDATE US WHERE WE WERE PROCEDURALLY? YEAH, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, YOU RECEIVED THESE.
YEAH, LET'S DEAL WITH PARKER RUG FORM BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE KO PROJECT, UH, BASICALLY YOU COMPLETE, YOU HAVE FORMED A SUBCOMMITTEE.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE HELPED PRODUCE A PART TWO OF THE AF THAT WAS REVIEWED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD WENT BACK AND FORTH AND IDENTIFIED SEVERAL POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACTS BY THE SEEKER LAW.
UH, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT OR NOT TO LOOK PART THREE ANALYSIS.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE ALSO DID A CHARTER.
VERY NICE ANALYSIS UNDER PART THREE AND UNDER PART THREE IDENTIFIED TALKED WITH THE BOARD CONSIDERED.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T CONSIDERED SEVERAL OF THE, THE IMPACTS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.
THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE TO THAT HAS SUBMITTED THEIR RECORDS SAYING WHY THEY DON'T BELIEVE THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE SIGNIFICANT.
NOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, YOU HAVE IN YOUR FOLDERS TONIGHT, BASED UPON THE THE COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD, YOU IDENTIFY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
SO, AND I WAS NOT ASKED TO PREPARE, WE WERE NOT
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ASKED TO PREPARE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.SO THE ONLY THING WE COULD PREPARE WAS A POTENTIAL POSITIVE DECLARATION.
BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW.
YOU NOW HAVE TO DETERMINE TONIGHT WHETHER AGAIN, HAVING HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE INFOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY, BY THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ATTORNEY AND THEIR AND THEIR PROFESSIONALS, HAVE THEY CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT COULD OCCUR ON THIS SITE? I'VE LISTED IN THAT IMPACT FIVE I THINK OR WHATEVER YOU COULD HAVE OTHERS YOU COULD DELETE SOME OF 'EM.
AGAIN, I WANTED TO PUT THAT, REMEMBER TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECK, YOU ONLY HAVE TO IDENTIFY ONE POTENTIALLY MAJOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I LISTED THE ONES THAT YOU I HEARD THAT YOU WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO AGAIN, TONIGHT'S DECISION ABOUT YOU COULD EITHER TABLE THE ACTION AND ASK ME TO ASK SUPPLY DEPARTMENT OF PREPARE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BASED UPON YOUR CHANGES THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR RECORDS.
YOU KNOW, DID IT SUBMIT AND CONVINCE YOU DIFFERENTLY OR YOU WOULD READ THE RESOLUTION FOR ISSUING OF A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
IF THAT WASN'T PASSED, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE YOU WOULD BE AUTHORIZING ME TO PREPARE NEGATIVE DEC DECLARATIONS AND WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED LIKE WHY IS THERE A POSITIVE DEC DEPOSITS THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD DO BASED UPON THE RECORD THAT EXISTS NOW YOUR RECORD OF APART THREE ANALYSIS, THE ONLY THING YOU DO IS A POSITIVE DEATH.
HAS THE APPLICANT CONVINCED YOU ENOUGH TO REDUCE THOSE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS NOT TO BE SIGNIFICANT.
AGAIN, THEY ARE MARKED TO LARGE IMPACTS, BUT ARE THEY SIGNIFICANT OR NOT? SO AGAIN, I THINK SEAN HAS SAID THAT HE BELIEVES IN HIS MIND THAT HE HAS PRESENTED INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE TICKETING IMPACTS.
NOW YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE RECORD.
I DON'T THINK AT THE LAST NAME WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR WHATEVER.
THE RECORD IS YOUR REVIEW AND THE INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? YEAH, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD CHIME IN IS THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NUANCE HERE IN THAT WHEN THOSE DRAFTS OF PART TWO AND PART THREE WERE PREPARED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME PRETTY, PRETTY SUBSTANTIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH WE THINK WAS DONE IN RESPONSE TO THAT DRAFT DOCUMENTATION IN AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO I MEAN, AGAIN AND AGAIN WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO RESPOND TO THOSE.
ALSO, I WOULD HOPE THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION IT IS YOU, YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY WHICH PLAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK TECHNICALLY WE ARE UNDER SEEKER ONLY ALLOWED TO WEIGH IN ON THE, IT IS THE ONLY PLAN BEFORE WE RIGHT NOW IS THE REGULAR, YOUR LAYOUT THAT THAT IS NOW THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T MAKE A CONDITION NEGATIVE EFFECT TO SAY, HEY WE'RE GOING WITH THE CLUSTER AT THIS POINT.
IF YOU ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT IF YOU ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION, YOU THEN WOULD UNDER SCOPING WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE AS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES, ARE YOU GONNA CONSIDER THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AS AN ALTERNATIVE OR OTHER ALTERNATIVE LAYOUTS OR MITIGATION AS PART OF PART OF SCOPING THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THE APPLICATION, SARAH SAID VERY, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE REGULAR LAYOUT YOU DID NOT APPROVE THE USE OF CLUSTER.
I CAN'T, THERE'S BEEN OTHER INFORMATION SUBMITTED ABOUT THAT, UH, ABOUT A CLUSTER.
BUT UNLESS YOU TABLE IT TONIGHT AND SAY, HEY WE'LL ALLOW THE CLUSTER AND THEN REDO OUR SECRET DOCUMENTATION, THAT'S ANOTHER CHOICE YOU COULD TAKE TOO, I GUESS.
UH, I'M JUST GIVING YOU OPTIONS WHERE YOU KIND OF STAND.
YOU COULD TABLE THE ACTION TONIGHT AND BASICALLY RECONSIDER THE CLUSTER IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION THAT'S ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW.
BUT I DO, I WANNA KNOW, AND THIS IS A NEW, THIS IS A NUANCE AND IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT, IT'S DON'T VIEW IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACTS.
WE'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR CLUSTER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A TOPIC YOU'VE BEEN REVISITING, BUT IF A POSITIVE DECLARATION IS ISSUED NOW YOU'RE BASICALLY FORCING US BACK INTO THE AS OF RIGHT SUBDIVISION AND THEN TO SAY THE ALTERNATIVE IS JUST GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.
I JUST, I THINK THAT'S FORM OVER FUNCTION.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT GET US OUTTA, SO I DO THINK WE ORIGINALLY DIDN'T EVEN VOTE SECOND YEAR MOTION ON A CLUSTER ON THE CURRENT PLAN.
IF YOU CAME BACK WITH A SECOND ATTEMPT AT THE OR THIRD CLUSTER, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO AND WE VOTED TO TO LOOK AT IT.
TO LOOK AT IT, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT, BUT PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT IF WE DO SOMETHING WE'RE SOMEHOW, WELL NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE STUCK WITH THEN BECAUSE YOU'D BE VOTING ON THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN.
THIS THE ONLY APPLICATION EXACTLY RIGHT WOULD BE STUCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEFORE US RIGHT NOW WHAT IS BEFORE US, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
INDICAT, YOU'RE INDICATING YOU WANNA PRESENT A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT,
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BUT WE WEREN'T INTERESTED ONCE BEFORE, BUT WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR TODAY.IT'S THE REGULAR DIVISION SUBDIVISION.
IT'S ALL WE IT'S ALL I I'M NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE.
SO I, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THAT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH THE APPLICANT OVER THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS.
WE HAD GAINED SOME DETERMINATIONS BACK IN, IN JUNE, I THINK LAST YEAR TOO.
AND HAD BEEN WAITING FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT TOOK TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.
I THINK THAT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO LOOK AT MITIGATIONS TO WOULD YOU HAVING TO RESTART AN APPLICATION PROCESS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT IF WE ISSUE THE POSITIVE DECK ON THE EXISTING LAYOUT THAT ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER, THERE'S NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE AS OF RIGHT LAYOUTS THE PROPOSAL THAT HAS EVOLVED IN FRONT OF US BUT IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WE LOOKED AT ORIGINALLY IS NOT A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, IN WHICH CASE WE JUST BUILD OFF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS SOMEWHAT MORE EFFICIENTLY.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO START BACK OVER AGAIN WITH A NEW SUBMISSION, A NEW HEARING, A NEW I I AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS A LIMITATION IF IT GOES IN THAT DIRECTION OR AT LEAST AN ALTERNATIVE.
YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE THAT ALLOWS US ALSO TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE STILL ON HERE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FINALIZED OR IF THERE'S OTHER ISSUES.
THERE STILL WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW CHANGES.
THERE'S THE AGRICULTURAL CONVERSION.
WE'VE TALKED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO PAY SOME SORT OF HERITAGE TO THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN INCORPORATED IN HERE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE DECISION ABOUT HOW THIS IS OR IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS SOMETHING.
BUT THOSE WERE ALL ISSUES THAT WERE LEFT ON THE TABLE TO EXPLORE.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU RESUBMITTED AND CLARIFIED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY ON THE RECORD PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT I THINK IT IS FOCUSED IN ON A COUPLE OF KEY AREAS AND OUR GOAL IS TO TRY AND MOVE FORWARD TO END UP WITH THE BEST PROJECT AND OUTCOMES POSSIBLE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS EFFICIENTLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA HEAR MOVE EFFICIENTLY FORWARD COURSE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR THE STATEMENT THAT I MADE IS I DIDN'T WANT THE BOARD TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE CLUSTER AND I THINK THAT TOPIC'S BEEN CLARIFIED.
OKAY, SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND SO YOU PREPARED A DRAFT SEEK RESOLUTION RESOLUTION ON THERE, ON THE DIVISION CURRENTLY I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THIS THAT'S, THAT'S PROCEDURAL IN NATURE THAT'S BASED ON THE PROCESS OF WE GOT HERE.
BUT THERE ARE FIVE BULLETS, WELL FOUR BULLETS AND THEN OPTION ADDS MORE.
I THINK I KNOW WHERE DOUG STANDS ON ALL OF THESE.
UM, YOU GOT A COPY WITH THE FRONT AND THE BACK? YES.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU READ SHE JUST, I JENNIFER BEFORE YOU THE RESOLUTION, TALK ABOUT THOSE EXACTLY WHAT I THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO, SO SINCE I HAVE A FRONT AND BACK, I'LL GET INTO IT.
THE, THE IMPACTS IDENTIFIED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
THIS IS THE, THE AREA THAT'S, THAT'S NOT QUITE BOILERPLATE.
THE AREA THAT CHANGE IF, IF FEELS NECESSARY.
ONE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER STREAM CORRIDOR RUNNING THROUGH THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
TWO, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE THREE, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION AND FOUR, THAT THE POST PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE EXISTING AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE PULLED RIGHT OUT OF YOUR TABLE HERE THAT YOU DEVELOPED.
SO, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO THAT ONE AT A TIME? ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D WANNA DELETE FROM THAT? YOURS? ALL OF THEM.
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UM, ANY, ANY CHANGES INTO THE LANGUAGE? ALL RIGHT.I'M GONNA THE TABLE REAL QUICK, MAKE SURE THAT WE DID IT MISS SOMETHING BEFORE WE WROTE ON IT.
IS THERE A PARCEL NUMBER WE SHOULD BE NOTING IN THIS RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT? I MEAN I JUST HAVE IT DOWN AS PARKER ROAD SUBDIVISION.
I DON'T DUNNO IF YOU HAVE THE SBL NUMBER, I THINK IT'S GOT A ZERO ADDRESS, RIGHT? UNDEVELOPED IT DOESN'T HAVE ADDRESS.
I THINK, I THINK THE DESCRIPTION OF HERE, I JUST WANNA CHECK BECAUSE I, THE SITE IS 35.3 ACRES.
YOU WANNA REFERENCE THAT THE SITE IS 35.
WHAT WAS THAT? AND AND FOR THE RECORD UNDERSTAND YOU ONLY HAVE TO IDENTIFY ONE, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED FOUR.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH SCOPING, YOU WILL THEN ADD MORE DETAIL.
OBVIOUSLY I CONSOLIDATED ALL THE SURFACE WATER IMPACTS YOU HAD QUITE A FEW OF THEM INTO JUST ONE SURFACE WATER IMPACT.
WHEN YOU DO SCOPING YOU'LL DO A BETTER JOB OF IDENTIFYING THOSE THINGS, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED IN THE IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND NOW JENNIFER, WE HAVE TWO PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS MISSING TODAY.
IF THERE IS A VOTE THAT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO TO, FOR THE VOTE TO CARRY, YOU NEED A FORUM, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF ALL SEVEN OF YOU SO YOU WOULD NEED A FOUR.
PARKER ROAD SUBDIVISION APPLICATION SEEKER RESOLUTION WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FROM DAVID MANKO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 67 LOT SUBDIVISION ON PARKER ROAD NEAR THEIR INTERSECTION WITH BIG THREE ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND REVISIT IT VISITS TO REVISIONS TO IT AT MEETINGS FROM AUGUST, 2020 TO SEPTEMBER, 2021.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARK 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD INITIATED THE SEEKER COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION TO ESTABLISH THE PLANNING BOARD AS A SEEKER LEAD AGENCY AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES AND TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AND WHEREAS THE HAMPER PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED DEAF SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AND OTHER INVOLVED AGENCIES AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANTS ON THE PROJECT AND REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT AND HAS CONSIDERED CUMULATIVE IMPACTS FROM AN ADJOINING PROPOSED PROJECT THAT HAS RECEIVED THE TOWN OF HAMMERS THAT HAS AND HAS REVIEWED THE TIME OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHEREAS NO OBJECTIONS WERE MADE TO THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ACTING AS SECRET LEAD AGENCY AND THE PLANNING BOARD THEREFORE AS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS SECRET LEAD AGENCY AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS COMPLETED PART TWO OF THE FDAF AND THOSE IMPACTS IDENTIFIED IN PART TWO AS POTENTIALLY MODERATE TO LARGE IN AN EXPANDED PART THREE DOCUMENT AND REVIEWED THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER AND HAS DETERMINED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, THE POST PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER STREAM CORRIDOR RUNNING THROUGH THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
TWO, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
THREE, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON
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TRANSPORTATION.THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE EXISTING AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMPER PLANNING BOARD ACCORDANCE WITH STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED APPROVAL OF PROPOSED PARKER ROAD'S SUBDIVISION MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY ISSUES A POSITIVE DECLARATION AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE SECRET POSITIVE DECLARATION AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE THAT THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO FILE THE PROPER NOTICES CONCERNING THIS DETERMINATION.
BE FURTHER RESOLVE THAT THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD WILL BEGIN THE EIS PROCESS ONCE THE APPLICANT APPLICANT SUBMITS A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
UM, GENERALLY ON THESE WE, WE DO A ROLL CALL.
AND IT'S ALSO, NOT THAT THEY'RE HERE, BUT I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. CHAPMAN AND MR. MONACO WERE LEANING IN THAT DIRECTION ALSO.
SO IT WOULD BE DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE TO THEY, THEY'RE NOT HERE FOR MEDICAL.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
MOTION TO TABLE THIS PENDING SUBMISSION OF ADJUSTMENT.
SUBMISSION OF, I THINK IT'S IN THE MOTION YOU ALREADY ADOPTED PENDING AND THE LAW TAKES OVER AT THAT POINT IF WE SAID WE TABLE IT FOR A YEAR.
OKAY THAT AND THERE ARE ED TIMEFRAMES AND THE FIRST REGIMENTED TIMEFRAME IS ONCE THEY SUBMIT THE DIRECTING DOCUMENT, YOU HAD, I BELIEVE 60 DAYS FINAL SCOPE, RIGHT AND, AND MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC MEETING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REDLE REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PICK ROAD EAST OF 4 2 5 5 PARKWAY FROM C1 AND R ONE TO R THREE.
AND WE HAVE SOME OVERLAP WITH THESE.
UH, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEMO WITH BOTH PROJECTS.
DO WE THINK WE NEED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD AGAIN? NO.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WETZEL DEVELOPMENT LLC.
WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT ZERO WILSON AND ZERO BIG TREE ROAD.
AS THE BOARD RECALL, THIS LAYOUT IS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF REFINEMENTS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.
ORIGINALLY INCLUDED A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION CONNECTING AT THE STU STREET OR CONNECTING OPPOSITE TO MCA DRIVE.
UH, WE ELIMINATED THAT BASED ON INPUT RECEIVED GOING WAY BACK FROM THIS PLANNING BOARD AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING IS 150 MULTIFAMILY UNITS WE'RE SHOWING A SINGLE CURB CUT ONTO BIGTREE ROAD THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH INPUT RECEIVED FROM ED RAKOWSKI OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND ON AUGUST 18TH HE DID ISSUE AN EMAIL CONCUR CONFIRMING THAT IN HIS OPINION, NEITHER THIS PROJECT NOR THE MANCO PROJECT WILL RESULT IN ANY POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
WE'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT'S 20.1 ACRES UNDER THIS LAYOUT THAT WILL REMAIN PERMANENTLY UNDEVELOPED, THEREBY ENSURING THE EXISTING, THOSE EXISTING POSSIBLE FUTURE STREETS AND THE ENTIRE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S BEHIND EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE WILL
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REMAIN FOREVER UNDEVELOPED, WHICH WE THINK IS A GOOD THING.IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT ITSELF, IT WAS ORIGINALLY 156 UNITS, NOW IT'S 150 UNITS.
THE REZONING, THE SITE ITSELF IS 42 POINT 42 ACRES.
WE'RE SEEKING TO DOWN ZONE 16.4 ACRES FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO SEEKING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES FROM R ONE TO R THREE.
I WOULD NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL IS THE, THE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF A PREDOMINANT PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT'S DEVELOPABLE.
THE TOWN HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ACTUALLY DID PRODUCE A REPORT INDICATING THAT THERE IS NO DEMAND CURRENTLY FOR SPECULATIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER, I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED.
THIS WOULD PERMIT EXPLICITLY BIG BOX RETAIL THAT WOULD RESULT IN LARGER FOOTPRINTS, MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, MORE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, BRIGHTER LIGHTING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IS A REZONING BUT IT IS A DOWN ZONING.
WE THINK WE'VE IDENTI, WE THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED WITHIN MY SUBMISSION AUGUST 18TH IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS MADE TO THIS BOARD, THOSE TOPICS OR IMPACTS OR CATEGORY OF IMPACTS THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD HAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING POTENTIALLY SIGNI SIGNIFICANT.
AS I INDICATED, WE SUBMITTED AN UPDATED RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN SO PURSUANT TO THAT PLAN, THAT ENTIRE RIPARIAN BUFFER OR THAT ENTIRE CREEK CORRIDOR THAT CROSSES BOTH THE WETZEL SITE AND THE ADJACENT MANCO SITE WILL BE PROTECTED.
AND THAT'S PURSUANT TO THE PLAN PREPARED BY JODY CELESTE OF EARTH DIMENSIONS.
AS I INDICATED IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, YOU HAVE SOLICITED COMMENTS FROM DOT THE AGENCY WITH THE EXPERTISE.
THEY'VE INDICATED THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS WILL RESULT IN POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
WE'VE DISCUSSED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT COMPLIANT WITH THE STORM WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS.
AND INCLUDED IN MY AUGUST 18TH SUBMISSION IS A LETTER AND AN OVERVIEW PREPARED BY CHRIS WOOD, A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, ADDRESSING HOW WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS.
IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER I, I'VE ADDRESSED AND I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING OF THOSE PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT WOULD REMAIN UNDEVELOPED.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT GOING WAY BACK TO EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BOARD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE DID PROPOSE SEVERAL ZONING CONDITIONS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR WHAT THOSE WERE AND WELCOME ANY INPUT ON THOSE.
ONE, THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONVEY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOR THAT 20.1 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
OF COURSE THAT DOCUMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SECONDLY, WE EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO DEED RESTRICT THAT 20.1 ACRES FROM ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ROADWAYS, BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
CONDITION NUMBER THREE WAS THAT NO BUILDING ON THE SITE SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL LOT ON WILSON DRIVE.
THEREBY ENSURING PURSUANT TO THIS PLAN VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
WE INDICATED THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A NATIONWIDE PERMIT FROM THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE VERY MINOR, MINOR WETLAND IMPACT OF FOUR ONE HUNDREDTHS OF AN ACRE.
AND THEN FINALLY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE REZONING STAGE, THE ONSITE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE DE C'S STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS.
IN FACT, UH, IN THE FUTURE YOU GET IN A POSITION TO MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE REZONING.
WE'D OBVIOUSLY WELCOME A CONDITION RELATIVE TO THE RIPERIAN BUFFER AS WELL.
I DO THINK ONCE AGAIN THAT WITHIN THE SUBMISSION I MADE AUGUST THE 18TH THAT I DID ADDRESS IN GREAT DETAIL, THOSE TOPICS WERE IDENTIFIED AS BEING POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY ON THE SURE DRAWING, THERE IS A WETLAND AREA THAT YOU HAVE THAT IS COMPLETELY ENC INSERTED.
IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN THOSE PINK BUILDINGS IN THE ROAD AND THE, THE PORTION, OH, THAT'S AN ISOLATED WETLAND.
THIS THAT'S NOT JURISDICTIONAL.
SO IT'S NOT JURISDICTIONAL, BUT IT PRESUMABLY IS ASSUMED TO BE LOST EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REGULATED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
OH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT.
SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROJECT EVER SINCE WE ELIMINATED THE ROADWAY CONNECTION.
THE SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD'VE CONNECTED TO WILSON, OPPOSITE TO MAKA.
BUT THERE WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I DON'T BELIEVE HE SPOKE.
HE'S THE OWNER OF 47 55 BIG TREE ROAD THAT IS THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
UH, GLENN SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME FOLLOWING UP WITH HIM, FINALLY DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM AND HE DID PROVIDE A SUPPORT LETTER, UM, THAT I SUBMITTED ON AUGUST 26TH.
BUT THERE WAS ONE THING HE WOULD LIKE ALONG
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THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.HE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SCREENING IN THE FORM OF EVERGREEN TREES.
THE PROJECT GOES FORWARD, WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
THAT'S NEW INFORMATION AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
I THINK WE'VE EXPLAINED IN DETAIL WHY WE THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, IN CONNECTION WITH THE FUTURE RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD ASK THAT EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REPORT THAT THE TOWN COMMISSION AND IT WAS MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE TOWN THAT BASICALLY SAYS THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR SPECULATIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN MARKETED FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DECADES.
I THINK FROM TIME TO TIME THERE HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.
I THINK FROM A Q COMMUNITY, UH, CHARACTER PERSPECTIVE IN DEMAND FOR USE, THIS IS MUCH BETTER.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE BECAUSE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, GLEN WETZEL DID HAVE A MARKET STUDY PREPARED BY NEWMARK FIRM THAT DEMONSTRATE FOR THESE TYPES OF UNITS AND THIS TYPE OF CONFIGURATION, THERE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE DEMAND FOR THESE UNITS.
DREW OR JENNIFER, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG AND I DUNNO IF ANYBODY WILL AGREE WITH YOU, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO HERE, IN MY OPINION IS WE COULD DO A NEGATIVE DECK ISSUE OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN SEND THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD TO DECIDE ON REZONING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE TO GET OFF OF OUR PLATE.
I DON'T THINK WHATEVER THE WEIGHT OF THE DREW HAS SAID LOTS OF TIMES FOR THIS DOCUMENT THAT IS WRONG.
I THINK SIMILAR TO THE, THE PROJECT AGENDA THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE WEIGHT THUS FAR IS THAT THERE ARE IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND WHETHER OR NOT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING ON THE RECORD, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T JUST, WE HAVE TO DO THE SECRET DECISION.
AND THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF POTENTIALLY WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
THEY MAY HAVE, BUT I DON'T, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE
IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER DOING THAT, YOU WOULD'VE TO TABLE IT TONIGHT.
AND GIVE US DIRECTION TO AMEND WHAT'S ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW, WHICH SAYS YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED FIVE OR SIX POTENTIALLY STICK OF THE IMPACT AND YOU CAN AMEND THAT BASED UPON WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.
BUT YOU HAVE WOULD'VE TO DETERMINE THAT RIGHT NOW, BILL, WE COULDN'T ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR RECOMMEND THE REZONING BECAUSE THE RECORD, WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR INDICATES YOU'VE IDENTIFIED FIVE OR SIX POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THAT BASED UPON WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SINCE YOU DID THAT PART.
IT, I, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE COMMENDING TO ISSUE, BUT I, I GUESS ALL I PROCEDURAL OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT, SO WE WOULD TO DECIDE, GO BACK TO THEM AGAIN? NO, NO.
YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE YOUR SECRET DECISION AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
NO, IF WE DID, IF THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS THE DECISION, THEN IT GOES BACK TO, TO WHATEVER THE SECRET DECISION IS.
SO THE POSITIVE DECK, IT STAYS WITH US AS IT GOES THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS OR NEGATIVE DECK.
SECRET PROCESS ENDS AND IT WOULD GO ON TO THE TOWN FORCE.
KEEP IN MIND YOU'RE MAKING AN, YOU'RE, ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING IS ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION BASED ON THE PROJECT, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE REZONING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
WHETHER IT'S A GOOD USE, IT'S THE ACTUAL PROJECT THAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
AND AGAIN, WITH AN EMPHASIS ON IT, KER ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE DECISIONS FOR THE REZONING.
RIGHT? OF COURSE THERE MAY BE SOME OVERLAP, BUT THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY VERY FAR SEPARATE THINGS.
AND WE DO HAVE A PROCESS JUST SAY OF A RECORD THAT THE TOWN BOARD DID ENTERTAIN THIS REZONING REQUEST.
THEY DID NOT LIKE SAY THEY HAVE THE CHOICE OF SAYING THIS IS NOT CLEARLY NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE ARE NOT CHOOSING TO ENTERTAIN THIS REZONING.
THEY DID ENTERTAIN IT AND SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
DIDN'T COMMIT THEM TO ONE ACTION OR THE OTHER, BUT SAID, HEY, PLANNING BOARD, DO YOUR JOB AND GENERATE INFORMATION.
BUT I CAN'T RECALL ANY TIME THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS REFUSED TO ENTERTAIN.
OH YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW ABOUT, YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, MATTER OF FACT, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED US.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, BUT GOOD POINT.
I MEAN THAT'S THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE TONIGHT.
WHAT WE'RE JUST SAYING IS IF YOU WANNA GO THAT OTHER ROUTE, YOU HAVE TO TABLE
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IT AND AUTHORIZE CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENTATION.AND I DO WANNA KNOW IF THE TOWN BOARD DID ACTUALLY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING, BUT OF COURSE, BY THAT POINT IN TIME YOU HAD BEEN DESIGNATED THE LEAD AGENCY WITH THEIR CONCURRENCE, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ISSUE DECISION.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF THEY WILL NEED TO HOLD A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
WHAT ELSE DO PEOPLE HAVE ON THIS ONE? AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THIRD OPTION THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED.
IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW.
I KNOW I SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, WE THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE IMPACTS, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'D PROVIDE THAT.
I THINK WE NEGATIVE WAY OR ANOTHER.
ALRIGHT, WE THE REZONING APPLICATION.
OH, SIR, THROUGH SIX ITEMS ON HERE.
SO THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE HAS SIX ITEMS. POST PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER STREAM CORRIDOR RUNNING THROUGH THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
AND WETLANDS IN THE AREA PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON PLANTS, ANIMALS, PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
AS THE SITE CONTAINS IMPORTANT HABITATS PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE AND ECOSYSTEM OF THIS AREA.
PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
THE REZONING PROJECT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S AND SIX, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE.
SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH QUALITY OF THE EXISTING AREA.
ANYTHING WAIT, ARE YOU ANYTHING? WAIT, ARE YOU SAYING AND IS NOT CON INCONSISTENT? OR MAYBE IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION? I WOULD SAY IT MAY.
I, BECAUSE I THINK MAKING A DETERMINATION IS NOT FAIR AT THIS POINT MAY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT.
I, I'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE A DETERMINATION ON THAT POINT.
I, I GUESS, I GUESS ONE MORE ON THAT, UH, THE LAST RESOLUTION AND SAME LANGUAGE.
IF WE COULD MAKE THAT CHANGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE IT, BUT I OKAY.
AS LONG AS IT'S, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE OFFICIAL REZONING REQUEST THAT WENT INTO THE TOWN, IS IT TO REZONE THE ENTIRE NO PARCEL? NO.
AND THE ZONING OF THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE AN EAST VENT, IS THAT PROPOSED TO STAY AS OUR IT IS.
SO THE, AND THAT WOULD REMAIN, ALL THAT PORTION IS ALL R ONE, RIGHT? THE 20.1 ACRES THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE THAT'S PERMANENT SPACE WOULD REMAIN PERMANENT.
OPEN SPACE WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS AND A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IF THE TOWN WANTS IT.
SO IS THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE? THIS IS I GUESS A LOGISTICAL PORTION.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE RESULTANT PARCEL WOULD BE SPLIT AS TO TWO ZONES? YES, IT WOULD.
SO THERE'D BE SPLIT ZONING ON THE FRONT? YEAH.
SO YOU'D HAVE THE C3 HERE, WHICH WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES.
THE REMAINING 20.1 WOULD BE ZONE RESIDENTIAL R ONE, R THREE, R ONE.
AND IS THERE A WAY TO RECORD IN THE EASEMENT? I GUESS THIS IS ALSO A QUESTION FOR JENNIFER.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD CALL A UNIFORM LINE NECESSARILY ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EASIEST WAY TO RECORD IN A DEEP RESTRICTION IS, BUT THIS IS JUST A LOGISTICAL THING TO BE CONSIDERING WE DECISION NOW.
BUT IN TERMS OF A LOT OF THE TIMES THERE'S MORE SURVEY WE COULD TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT MARKINGS OF YEAH, BUT JUST SO, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE AT THE SCALE.
CHRIS DID DO IT STRAIGHT LINES.
SO THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT.
BUT HE DID CREATE AN ACTUAL, VERY EASY TO DESCRIBE.
IF YOU EVER GOT TO THE POINT, JEN, JENNIFER WOULD HELP YOU MAKE SURE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE EASEMENT IS CORRECT.
BUT MOST PROBABLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS WHEN A SITUATION LIKE THAT YOU'D HAVE SOME PERMANENT MARKERS PUT IN PLACE IN THE FIELD SO THAT PEOPLE KNEW, I MEAN, WHERE THAT DOESN'T SURVEY OR SOME PLANTING.
YEAH, SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC.
DC HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR WETLANDS.
THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S ALWAYS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BUY IT.
IT'S LESS IMPORTANT WITH MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE THEY'RE RELEASED.
BUT I DO WANT, I DO WANT OKAY.
WHEN THERE IS, IT IS ACTUALLY A DESCRIPTION.
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ANYTHING, SUE, LET'S JUST, I GUESS MAKE IT QUICKER THAN LAST TIME.ANYTHING TO ADD, DELETE, OR CHANGE AREA WITH WATER QUALITY? YEAH, I DISAGREE WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
DOES IT AFFECT THAT RUSH CREEK IN THAT AREA ANYWHERE BY MAKING WATER, STORM WATER? NO, BECAUSE WE COMMENT MADE BY THE CAB.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT THAT WATER, THAT'S WHAT I, YES IT IS.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT IS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE PROVIDED A STORMWATER NARRATIVE DEMONSTRATING THAT WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH STORMWATER QUALITY MEASURES AND THEN WE'VE ALSO OFFERED BASED ON INPUT IS TO ESTABLISH THAT PERMANENT RIPARIAN BUFFER ACROSS NOT ONLY THIS SITE, BUT ALSO THE ADJACENT MANCO SITE.
I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER PROJECT, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO ULTIMATELY WE THINK AT THE END, AGAIN, WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME MORE HOMEWORK TO DO THAT WE, WE CAN, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT IT WILL NOT HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF STORM WATER IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY.
I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE HERE AND THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS, AND THIS IS A REZONING, SO THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUTS AS OPPOSED TO LIKE MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING, WHICH THEY DIDN'T DO UNTIL THE REZONING IS ISSUED.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT I CONCEPTUALLY ASKED, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THIS AGENT AND KIM AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU CAPITAL ABOUT GRADING AND BILL AND, BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE, SOMETHING WOULD BE WORKED OUT AS PART OF THIS SITE.
PHASE IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH BE AUTHORIZED.
SO DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
REZONING APPLICATION RESOLUTION WHERE THE TOWN OF MAN RECEIVED A REZONING APPLICATION FROM WEZEL DEVELOPMENT L THE REZONING OF 60.4 ACRES OF LAND TO OUR THREE SIX OF LAND FROM OUR STAR STREET IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT 150 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS SOUTH OF BIGTREE ROAD ADJOINING AREAS OFF OF WILSON DRIVE.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD REFERRED THIS APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING APPLICATION AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION AT MEETINGS FROM SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2020 TO SEPTEMBER, 2021 AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE OF PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO OUR LATE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD AFTER BEING AUTHORIZED BY THE TOWN BOARD AND AFTER THE TOWN BOARD CONDUCTED A COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS, ASSUMED LEAD AGENCY DESIGNATION AND WHERE AT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES AND TOWN DEPARTMENTS THAT HELD PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE APPLICATION AND WHEREAS THE HAMRICK PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED CEAF SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, OTHER INVOLVED AGENCIES AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE PROJECT AND REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT AND HAS CONSIDERED CUMULATIVE IMPACTS FROM AN ADJOINING PROPOSED PROJECT AND HAS REVIEWED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE TO PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTED REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO OUR EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL ONE UX SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAM PLANNING BOARD HAS COMPLETED PART TWO OF THE FDAF AND ANALYZE THOSE IMPACTS IDENTIFIED AS PART TWO AS POSSIBLY MODERATE TO LARGE.
IT EXPANDED PART THREE DOCUMENT AND REVIEWED THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE IN BOARDS TO SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER AND HAS DETERMINED THE FOLLOWING, ONE POST PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER STREAM CORRIDOR RUNNING THROUGH THE NORTH END OF THE SITE IN WETLANDS AND THE AREA TWO, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT, UM, PLANTS AND ANIMALS AS THE SITE CONTAINS SUPPORT HABITAT.
THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE AND ECOSYSTEM OF THE AREA.
FOUR, THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
THE REZONING PROJECT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A PROPOSED PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND MAY BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE EXISTING AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMPERED PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENTAL QUALITY ACT SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT
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THE PROPOSED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED RENTAL REZONING APPLICATION AND THE SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT OF 150 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE BY IMPACT.NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAM PLANNING BOARD HEREBY ISSUES A POSITIVE DECLARATION AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE SECRET DEPOSIT DECLARATION AND GET FURTHER RESOLVE THAT THE HAMED PLANNING BOARD AUTHORIZES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO FILE THE PROPER NOTICES CONCERNING THIS DETERMINATION.
IF FURTHER RESOLVE THAT THE HAM PLANNING BOARD WILL BEGIN THE EIS PROCESS ONCE THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE DRAFTS GO TO DOCKETED.
SECOND BY MRS.
YOU WERE SO GOOD FOR SO LONG THEN WE MAHONEY YES.
MR. SHAW, UH, WHATEVER THIS POINT.
UM, HOW SO? THAT CONCLUDES SECOND MOTION BY SECOND BY.
MOTION TO ADJOURN MOTION BY MR. SHAW.