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BRAND.AND WE INTENTIONALLY CREATED A BRAND THAT WE THOUGHT, UH, WAS IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF NEW ENGLAND, OF UPSTATE NEW YORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN COMMUNITY CENTER LOOKS A LOT LIKE THAT.
AND, AND WE MADE SURE WE DIDN'T DO LIKE SOME MODERN GLASS TUNNEL OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY FIT SOME COMMUNITIES PROBABLY NOT FIT MOST.
UH, WE TRIED TO PICK SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT TO, TO THE AVENUE AND NOT A DETRIMENT.
SO OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS.
YOU LIKE ONE COLOR EYE LIKE ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S EVERYBODY'S ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION.
BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IN KEEPING WITH WHAT, UH, IS ALONG THAT AVENUE, AT THE LEVEL, OR I GUESS I'M BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT BRICK VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ONE COLOR VERSUS ANOTHER.
THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IS LIKE DESIGNED TO APPEAR AS IF IT WAS LIKE A THREE STORY STRUCTURE.
IT HAS THE LITTLE, THE, THE PEAK OFF THE TOP.
IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR.
AND I THINK THE, THE FACT THAT WE CAME IN WITH A, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S B IS A IS A, IT'S A BIG CHANGE.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION BECOMES THIS, THIS, YEAH.
IS THIS COMPLIANT WITH, WITH YOUR CODE AND WITH YOUR SECRET FIRE STATEMENT? I THINK WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT TOO, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CERTAIN BRAND, I MEAN THAT IS COMMON TO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE AROUND HERE, THAT THEY HAVE A SIMILAR BRAND AND IT'S ALSO SIMILAR TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO REFERENCE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, LET'S BE HONEST, THE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS INITIALLY BUILT AS A SCHOOL BUILDING TO BE USED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND SO IT HAD DIFFERENT NEEDS IN PLACE.
IT WAS NOT INITIALLY BUILT TO BE THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOUSE CHILDREN AND HOUSE CHILDREN WITH VARIOUS LEARNING NEEDS AND ACCESSIBILITY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AESTHETIC.
YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THROWING THAT OUT AS YOUR REASONING.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE MENTIONED IT.
I MEAN, LET'S JUST STEP BACK FOR A SECOND.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST COMING IN HERE AND SAYING, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMUNITY CENTER.
COMING ACROSS, WELL, I APOLOGIZE, I WON'T MENTION THAT COMMITTEE SOONER AGAIN.
UM, ALL WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T YOUR DECISION ON THE BOARD IS NOT, DO I LIKE THIS BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE OTHER ONE? OR DO I LIKE THIS AT ALL? YOU, YOU ARE CONSTRAINED WITH, WITH THE CRITERIA AND THE ZONING CODE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR JOB IS AS PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
I MEAN, VERY OFTEN IN YOUR SHOES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY, HOPEFULLY NOT, NOT IN THIS PROJECT THIS WAY, I DON'T LIKE THIS.
AND DOING MY JOB AS PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS STEPPING OUT OF MIDDLE.
I THINK WE KNOW WHAT OUR JOB IS.
I THINK OUR CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE WANNA MEET YOU SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND DISCUSS THE CHANGES.
BUT THAT'S, WE WANNA KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S UP AGAINST A VERY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BUSINESS PARK FEEL.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THAT.
SOME OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES YOU HAVE UP THERE THAT YOU'RE COMPARING US TO ARE IN AREAS WHERE IT'S HIGH RETAIL SHOPPING.
THIS IS NOT AN AREA OF HIGH RETAIL SHOPPING.
THIS IS A LITTLE, IT'S A STREET THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
IT'S CUTTING OVER TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ALL THOSE THINGS.
I GET THAT, THAT KEEPS HAMBURG UNIQUE.
AND FOR AS MANY PICTURES AS YOU'RE SHOWING UP THERE OF SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS YOUR SIDE, I AM CERTAIN THE BOARD COULD ALSO FIND AS MANY PICTURES TO SUPPORT OUR SIDE.
SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A POSITIVE DISCUSSION WHERE WE CAN WORK TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND AND GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS PROJECT TO GIVE THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND NOW TO KIND OF COME BACK AND BE RETWEAKING IT SIX WEEKS AFTER YOU GOT YOUR APPROVAL.
AND SO WE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THE FIRST ONE.
WE KIND OF WANNA MEET YOU IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE THAT POSITIVE DISCUSSION AND PERHAPS GET AWAY FROM THE APPROACH OF, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING THOUGH, WHAT I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS, IS YOU ARE BOUND BY THE CODE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING WE KNOW OUR JOB, BUT AS, AS, AS HE JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU, THE CODE DOESN'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS UNLESS YOU'RE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
WE'RE NOT IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
IT MEETS THE LETTER OF THE CODE.
SO THERE'S SOME LATITUDE, BUT THERE'S NOT A TON OF DISCRETION.
YOU JUST CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE WANT THIS.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YET.
WELL, I'M KIND OF GETTING THE SENSE
YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WHATCHA ASKING FOR GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT YOU ASKING FOR? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE PROJECT SINCE WE WERE HERE THREE WEEKS AGO? NO.
SO NO, ANYTHING, I HAVE A QUESTION.
DID, DID WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT SIGNAGE FEATURES OR WAS IT THE BUFFALO OR SOMETHING? WE, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND AESTHETIC
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FEATURES AND, AND PART OF THIS IS YOU CAME TO US AND IT WAS A BIT OF SURPRISE THAT WE JUST APPROVED THE PROJECT, RIGHT? WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU.THIS, THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS.
AND PART OF THAT IS A BACK AND FORTH.
AND WHAT WE'VE CONSISTENTLY HAD COME IN IS WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE WON'T.
AND WE'VE ASKED FOR SOME THINGS THAT ARE SIMPLER, YOU KNOW, MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AND THERE'S BEEN NO WILLINGNESS TO, TO MEET US ON ANYTHING.
AND THAT MAKES IT HARD TO HAVE YEAH.
IN FAIRNESS FROM A FEW WEEKS AGO, I THINK THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT WE REALLY ASK FOR WERE, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED TO ZELKOVA TREES AND SOMEBODY SAID THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE RED MAPLES.
AND I SAID THREE WEEKS AGO, I SAID, IF YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
UH, AND THEN THE BUFFALO WAS, THAT WAS A COMMENT.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT I MEAN AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL, THE COMMENT WAS, CAN CAN YOU MEET US? ARE THERE OTHER ELEMENTS OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO? SO WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST ON THIS BU 'CAUSE AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF, 'CAUSE THIS BUILDING IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT BUILDING.
AND SO LIKE, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CAN YOU MAKE IT A SHADE LIGHTER ON THE BRICK? OBVIOUSLY I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE BOARD ON THAT.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE THIS BUILDING IS YOU VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SUGGESTION FROM US.
I DON'T SEE ANY PICTURES OF NIGHT AND I SEE IN YOUR, UH, CHANGES.
WE WERE ACTUALLY REALLY RESTRICTIVE ON THE LIGHTING.
WHAT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOMETHING YOU DRIVE BY AT, AT AT NIGHT.
AND THIS, IN FAIRNESS, THIS IS A MARKETING PICTURE.
SO IT'S DESIGNED TO JUMP OUT AT YOU.
I MEAN IF YOU TOOK THIS, THIS THING OUTTA THERE, 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN HAMBURG.
YOU KNOW? IT IS, IT IT, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S LIT 'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE LIT.
BUT I DON'T THINK, AND AND AGAIN, ITS' LIGHTING COMPARISON.
IF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT I HAVE TOO MUCH LIGHTING AND WE NEED TO TONE IT DOWN AGAIN, THOSE ARE, THAT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING, THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WE SAID THE LAST MEETING.
AND NONE OF IT HAS BEEN, AS WE TALKED LAST WEEK, LAST MEETING, AND YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETICS, LOOK, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH THAT.
THEN THROW OILS, YOU HAVE ONE OVER ON, ON TRANSIT AND
RIGHT? BUT, BUT MY CONCERN IS I DON'T WANNA BE CAUGHT LIKE I WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WITH SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
WE SAW SOME GREAT PICTURES OF A PROJECT.
IF WE ALL REMEMBER BILL AND, AND GUYS AND DOUG OF A DEVELOPMENT DOWN HERE IN HAMBURG.
WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE, IT HAD NOTHING.
DIDN'T LOOK NOTHING LIKE THE PICTURES.
SO WE DO THE SITE WALK, WE GO TO THE SITE AND WE SEE 'EM.
I'M NOT ARGUING, THIS ISN'T A A, A TERMINATION OF CAR WASH FOR CAR WASH.
IT'S, IT'S BETWEEN DEVELOPER AND DEVELOPER.
WE DEVELOP, WE, WE APPROVE THE TIM HORTONS.
BUT NOW DUNKING DONUTS MARRIED INTO THE TIM HORTONS, THEY WANNA DEVELOP IT AND THEY CHANGED.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE SAME, IT'S JUST HYPOTHETICAL.
WE JUST DON'T WANNA BE CAUGHT LIKE WE WERE LAST TIME.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA BE CAUGHT UP LIKE I WAS LAST TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF SMOKE MIRRORS WERE JUST, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
BUT I WAS, AND GOOD NEWS WITH THIS IS THAT I WENT TO THE SITE, I SAW THE ROYAL CAR WASH.
IT WAS NIGHT AND THE PARADE WATCH, THEY'RE, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU MAKE CHANGES AND, AND WE HAVE TO KNOW IT'S JUST OUR JOB.
AND, AND, AND COUNCIL, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER, CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T.
SO WE HAVE TO, YOU'LL HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE, WE WOULD SUGGEST WE'RE NOT SAYING.
PUT YOUR HANDS UP, YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE TREES.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUES.
THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS MR. CHAPMAN'S MAKING IS THIS WAS NEVER PUT IN FRONT OF HIM.
PART OF THE BOARD I, ON BILL, I DON'T IF YOU REMEMBER DOWN THE STREET DOG.
IT WAS, IT WAS A TERRIBLE IT AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO OUR PROCESS TO TRY AND ENSURE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TRY AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHY NO, NO, I GET IT.
THE EXTRA AND WE PROBABLY PUT OURSELVES TO A DISADVANTAGED BY PROPOSING THAT FIRST ONE.
BUT TECHNICALLY FROM A STRICT LEGAL STANDPOINT, YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU SAY MEET US HALFWAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER PROJECT, WHICH IS YOU, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT AWAY LEGALLY.
WELL, BUT, BUT, BUT WE SPENT A LONG TIME.
ACTIVELY WORKING WITH THAT DEVELOPER, THAT DEVELOPER USING THAT RENDERING AND THAT SALES PITCH WORKED CLOSELY WITH US, WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND WITH OTHERS TO SHOW STUFF THAT AESTHETICALLY, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT WAS GONNA APPEAR AS IF IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THERE IS NO CONFUSING A ROYAL CAR WASH WITH A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO MM-HMM
THIS IS A, THIS HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I MEAN, SHOULD WE HEAR IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THAT YOU'RE RAISING? WE'LL GET TO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, SINCE I, I REMEMBER THIS, THAT THEY ARE, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO ADD MORE
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LIGHTING, BUT THE OVERALL LIGHTING UMLET DOESN'T CHANGE.AND ALL THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE DARK SKY.
HOW DO THEY ADD MORE LIGHTING AND LIGHTING THAT CHANGED? 'CAUSE I THINK, WELL YOU, AARON, I THINK YOU SAID WERE THEY GONNA BE LOWER LIGHTS OR LESS? UM, NO, LESS SPOTAGE.
THE, THE WATTAGE IS DIFFERENT, BUT AS SARAH MENTIONED, THEY'RE ALL STILL DARK SKY FIRE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE ADDING LIGHTS IS SUDDENLY GONNA ILLUMINATE THIS SITE BEYOND CONTROL.
THEY'RE ALL DARK STEERING COMPLIANT, DRAW SHIELDED.
THERE'S NO SPILLOVER OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S THIS, IT'S JUST MORE UNIFORM ACROSS THE SITE RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE, WE PUT MORE LIGHT HEADS, BUT WE LOWERED THE WATTAGE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE DARK SPOTS SO THAT AT NIGHT, IF SOMEBODY'S VACUUMING OR IF THE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING OUT THERE, IT'S MORE OF AN EVEN LIGHT, BUT NOT, IT SHOULDN'T BE MORE LIGHT.
AND YOU HAVE A CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE LIGHTS SPILL OVER.
AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS? I MEAN, SEE MY THING IS IF YOU'RE CLOSED, YOU DON'T NEED ALL THIS LIGHTING FOR THE CAR WASH.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT TONED DOWN AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T JUMP OUT AT YOU.
SO, SO THE HOURS ARE NO EARLIER THAN 7:00 AM NO LATER THAN 9:00 PM UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING EIGHT TO NINE BECAUSE WE REDUCED THE HOURS FOR COVID.
UH, AN HOUR AFTER CLOSING THE ALL THE PARKING LIGHT, LIGHT LIGHTS GO OFF.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT ARE SOME, UH, WALL MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT JUST MORE FOR SECURITY.
BUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG LIGHTING AND THE SIGNAGE, ANY KIND OF STUFF LIKE THAT GOES OFF AND THERE'S JUST SOME SECURITY LIGHT AROUND THE BUILDING.
NOW WERE THERE BE ANY NEON LIGHTING INSIDE THE FACILITY OR, UH, NEON INSIDE AT NEON SIDE YOU MEAN? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS RESTRICTED IN FIRST SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IF THAT'S RESTRICTED THEN THERE WON'T BE.
I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME SITES THAT OF YOUR SITES THESE PAST TWO WEEKS.
SOME OF THEM DO RATHER AGGRESSIVELY LIT UP.
WE WE ACTUALLY, IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T KEEP WITH IT WAS IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY SO THEY, THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S STILL THE SAME SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IT RESTRICTED NEON LIGHTS INSIDE.
WE DIDN'T WANT, WE WERE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING ON THAT.
THAT'S, UH, REALLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT LIGHTING AND WATTAGE ANYMORE.
THERE'S NO BEARING COMPARED IT TO A HID LIGHT TO A-A-L-E-D BULB.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING FOOT CANDLES AND COVERAGE.
YEAH, YOU GOTTA TALKING TO THE ELECTRICAL, I SAY WATTAGE BECAUSE, WELL THAT'S THE STANDARD.
BUT NOW THAT'S ALL IT'S FOOT CANDLES AND COVERAGE OVERALL PHOTOMETRICS HAVE NOT CHANGED.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHICH I JUST DID BEFORE.
YOU WATT LED LIGHT REPLACE A 400 WATT MENTAL HEALTH.
THE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED WAS, I'LL BE VERY HONEST, WHEN WE ADOPTED THESE FINDINGS, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD OVERLAY AND A SOUTH PARK OVERLAY THAT HAD ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
SINCE THAT TIME, THE TOWN HAS ELIMINATED THE SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD OVERLAY AND THE SOUTH PARK OVERLAY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
BUT EVEN SO IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, IS THE CODE DOESN'T PROVIDE YOU A LOT OF DIRECTION ANYMORE.
AT LEAST THE OLD CODE USED TO HAVE.
NOW THE ONLY DIRECTION WE HAVE IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK NICE AND HAVE NOT BLANK WALLS AND WHATEVER.
SO IT IS KIND OF, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID LIKE THE FIRST ONE.
I MEAN THERE WERE FEATURES OF IT, WHY WE LIKED THE FIRST ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ROYAL CAR WASH IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE LOOK OF THEIR BUILDING.
THEY HAVE A, A CERTAIN DESIGN AND IN ONE WAY IT'S A NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
I THINK THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE WAS, WE'LL SAY SOMETHING, THE FAKE COU ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING WAS ON THE OLD ONE.
I DUNNO IF THAT RUINED ORIENTATION ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WITH THE BACK.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS MUCH MORE LIKE A, IF THEY WOULD'VE CAME TO US PETITION THE BEGINNING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. MAYBE THE LAND, I DON'T THINK SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOUR OWN POINT.
WELL, I DON'T, THEY ALL WOULD'VE ASKED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND EXPECTED IT TO BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
TO LOOK AT CHARACTER, TO LOOK AT LANDSCAPING, TO LOOK AT IT.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD'VE CHANGED AND WE KEEP GETTING A RENDERING THAT WE'RE TOLD IS LIT UP BRIGHTER THAN IT WOULD BE.
IT'S A MARKETING PHOTO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
AND WE HAVE MADE FAR SMALLER PROJECTS PROVIDE COLOR RENDERINGS.
AND PAINT COLORS AND ALL THE BACKUP.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT FROM, FROM YOU GUYS TO HAVE A FULL RENDERING OF THIS FACILITY.
A RENDERING COLOR RENDERING OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE CAN EXPECT.
THE ONE THAT, THAT, UH, SEAN SUBMITTED LAST WEEK, WEEK SHOULD YEAH.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, SO, BUT THOSE ARE NOT WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE TODAY.
WELL, THESE WERE SUBMITTED LAST WEEK.
THIS, THIS GUYS SHOULD ALL HAVE THESE.
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YOU GUYS GOT THOSE.'CAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS AN ISSUE.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOU MORE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IF, IF I COULD JUST ASK, THERE'S SEVERAL MENTIONS TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THESE ARE PEAK ROOFS AND YOU KNOW, BRICK, YOU SEE PLENTY OF BRICK HOUSES WITH PEAK ROOFS.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT YOU MEAN BY RESIDE.
THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE A LOT OF HOUSES I'VE SEEN.
SO, WELL I HAD JUST KIND CURIOUS.
IT HAD THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL COUPLE OF FEATURES.
IT HAD, IT HAD SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, THIS IS A STORY
AND, AND AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO I, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, IT KEEPS FEELING LIKE WE'RE SAYING, NO, THIS IS IT.
AND, AND I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
WELL IF THERE'S A, IF IF YOU'RE SAYING COME IN THE MIDDLE, THEN, THEN WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING GIVE US THE BUILDING THAT WAS PROVED BEFORE.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT COMING IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BUILDING.
I, SO I AM OPEN TO, I THINK THE PICTURE YOU'RE PRESENTING TO BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU, WITH YOU IS LIT UP MORE REMINISCENT OF, UM, UH, AIRPORT THAN IT IS A CAR WASH IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT IS VERY, VERY WELL LIT IN THAT PICTURE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY PLAIN HELPING YOU FULLY EXPLAIN.
AND IN FAIRNESS, THIS IS NOT THIS SITE.
MAYBE JUST, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THOUGH, THAT'S TRANSIT.
THAT'S TRANSIT AND I DROVE BY.
IT'S A VERY BRIGHT AVENUE AND THOSE LIGHT POLES ARE TALLER THAN WHAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT SAME LIKE PARKING LOT AT AN AIRPLANE.
DO YOU HAVE A LOCAL SITE THAT IS MOST SIMILAR TO THE ONE YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN HERE? BECAUSE I DROVE AROUND ABOUT THREE, I WOULD GUESS THE WEST SENECA AT CLINTON AND TRANSIT.
BECAUSE I WAS AT, BECAUSE THAT'S NEAR RESIDENCE AND TRANSIT HAD A, A FEW CONCERNS FOR ME.
MORE AGGRESSIVELY LIT THAN I THE ONE ON, ON SHERIDAN AND TONAWANDA, UM, NEAR, UH, PAULA'S DONUTS.
THAT ONE, AGAIN, THAT BACKS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO STANDARDS WERE DIFFERENT IN DESIGN SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
I THINK WITH THIS ONE, THAT'S WAY WE CAN, AND I, AND I SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE SO THAT IT DOESN'T WHITE PLACE.
SO AS IT, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE EVEN IF YOU SEE THE BANK OVER THERE, THEY HAVE SOME SHRUBBERY ON IT.
THEY TRY TO SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT TO LOOK LIKE A BREAK UP THE WALL STRUCTURE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT KEEP WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
EVEN WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THAT LITTLE SIDE STREET TO GET OVER TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S A QUIET LITTLE STREET.
THERE'S A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE'S LITTLE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THERE'S SENIOR HOUSING NOT FAR AWAY.
IF THERE'S, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S A LITTLE SHOP AROUND THERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE SOFTEN IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOT TIE IN HERE BECAUSE WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE IT.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, AND I THINK IT IS NOT DISTRACTING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD WRITE ON YOUR WAY HOME.
WHEN I DRIVE DOWN SOUTHWESTERN, GO PAST WHERE THE SITE IS AND YOU'LL SEE HOW IT'S LOW DENSITY.
LIKE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LIGHT.
THE BANK HAS A LITTLE BIT TRACK OR SUPPLY HAS A LITTLE, THE OTHER SIDE, IT, IT'S VERY DARK EXCEPT WHEN YOU GET TO THE GAS STATION IN THE CAR.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I KEEP IT THAT DARK, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY, IT DOESN'T JUMP OUT AT 'EM.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW IF I, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT FIGHTING FOR THE TOWN ON THAT.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF AN ENGINEERING QUESTION, BUT YOU ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THAT IN THE LAST PLAN.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU IT, IT HAD LOWER LIGHT POLES.
IT HAD LESS INTENSE LIGHTING THAN WHAT I HAVE ON TRANSIT.
WHICH IS A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT.
HEAR YOUR, YOU'RE PROPOSING THREE MORE POLES.
ACTUALLY THE MORE POLES YOU HAVE, THE LESS INTENSE THE LIGHT CAN BE GO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ONE LIGHT TO SPREAD.
30, 40 FEET, YOU'RE GETTING ONE LIGHT TO SPREAD 15 FEET.
IS THIS GREATER THAN LESS SENECA OR NOT? UH, IF YOU COULD JUST EMAIL US, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME.
I HAVE ABOUT THE SAME FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
IF YOU CAN EMAIL US IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AND KIND OF GIVE US THE IDEA LIKE THIS, THIS ROYAL CAR WASH IS MOST SIMILAR TO THE FOOTPRINT YOU HAVE.
IF YOU WANNA GO AND WALK IT, THIS ONE HAS THE MOST SIMILAR LIGHTING IF YOU WANNA GO SEE IT AT NIGHT.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
AND I THINK IF YOU COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WITH THE BLOW UP OF THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE AND NOT THESE YEAH.
AND COME BACK WITH THE MAPLE TREES IN THERE.
SOMETHING TO SOFTEN THE EXTERIOR A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT JUST KEEPS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE,
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SO, SO THE INVENTORY OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE'VE GOT THE CHANGES THE TREES.SO YOU WANT THE ZELCOVAS BACK TO ME? CORRECT.
THE LAST MEETING WAS TO CONSIDER PUTTING IT TO THE NATIVE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SOME TYPE OF OTHER SHRUBBERY TO BREAK UP THE, THE WALLS, THE VIEW OF THE WALLS, UH, ENSURING THAT THE LIGHTING IS A BIT TONED DOWN FROM WHAT'S AT WEST SENECA.
UH, HE SAID WEST SIDE WAS MOSTLY IN KEEPING WITH WHAT WE'RE RIGHT.
MUCH MORE TONED DOWN THAN LIKE TRANSIT, TRANSIT, TRANSIT.
MUCH MORE TO DOWN THAN TRANSIT.
TRANSIT I THINK EVEN HAS ME ON THE INSIDE.
BY TRANSIT YOU MEAN? TRANSIT? I THINK TRANSIT AND, UH, MORE THAN ONE FOR THE MINUTES.
I DUNNO HOW MANY GO ON TRANSIT.
UM, AND, AND, AND MAYBE SOME, SOME DIFFERENT FEATURES AROUND THE MONUMENT SIGN.
UH, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS, WAS BORROWING THE BUFFALO THAT WAS IN, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE, I MEAN HAVING MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THE SIGNAGE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
THERE'S ONLY SHOWN IN THESE DRAWINGS WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NO MONUMENT SIGN PICTURED IN THE RENDERINGS.
WE'VE SEEN THE SIGN AND ALL WE KEEP SEEING CONTROL.
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON THINGS THAT THEY COULD CHANGE THAT WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE MEETING US HALFWAY? SO YOUR HOURS ARE SEVEN IN THE MORNING TILL NINE AT NIGHT.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES MAINTAIN ARE MAINTAINING IN THOSE HOURS ON THE SITE? IT DEPENDS ON HOW BUSY IT IS, BUT A MINIMUM OF TWO, MAXIMUM OF SIX TO EIGHT, I THINK.
WELL THE TIMES CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE SEASONS, BUT NOW IT'S GETTING, IF IT DOES, IT'S BY AN HOUR.
DURING THE SUMMER, NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT'S STILL LAID OUT.
THE WINTER TIME'S DARK AND THEY'RE STILL WASHING CARS.
THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S USED INSIDE, I KNOW ON THE LAST SITE PLAN WE WERE VERY RESTRICTIVE ABOUT THE NOISE AND THAT THEY PUT, THE BLOWERS COULDN'T BE RUNNING WHEN THE DOORS WERE OPENING.
THAT'S ALL THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
WELL NO, 'CAUSE WE HAD A, WE HAD A TIE INTO SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WITH A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, IF HE HAD IT'S THE SAME SAME EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW AND I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET HUNG UP.
THE OTHER APPLICANT'S EQUIPMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY I USED THE EXAMPLE OF THE ONE IN TONAWANDA, WHICH I KNOW HAS A NOISE PROBLEM, BUT RESIDENTS ARE RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE SITE.
SO ALTHOUGH WE JUST, WE JUST DID A FOLLOW UP SOUND STUDY FOR THE TOWN AND THE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE.
AND I REPRESENT THE TOWN TOO, SO I KNOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT CAME BACK THAT WE WERE COMPLIANT WITH THEIR CODE.
ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR OWN CELL PHONE WITH THE, WITH THE NOISEMAKERS ON THE NOW.
BUT ANYWAY, NOISE IS ALWAYS A BIG DEAL.
THIS IS AT LEAST SET VERY FAR AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE IT AND WHATEVER.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THE DOOR CLOSED AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT END'S LIKE IT'S NOT AN OPEN-ENDED CAR WASH WHERE YOU HAVE THE SOUND BEING CONCENTRATED.
EVEN IF THIS WAS 80 OR 90 DECIBELS BY THE TIME IT REACHES THE NEAREST HOUSE, WHICH IS PROBABLY OVER A THOUSAND FEET OR 2000 FEET AWAY, THE NOISE WOULD PROBABLY BE LESS.
THERE'S A BASEBALL FIELD THOUGH, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? THERE'S A BASEBALL FIELD RIGHT ACROSS THE RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT A DEC NOISE RECEPTOR OR BASEBALL.
OH, I KNOW, BUT I JUST, I ALSO WOULDN'T WANT US TO BE FIELD COMPLAINTS FROM PARENTS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN HEAR THE CALLS ON THE FIELD.
LIKE I'M TRYING TO SOLVE YOU HAVING THE PARENTS COME AND YELL AT YOU WHEN THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR CAR WASHED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HEAR THEIR KIDS.
I MEAN, THE SOUND WON'T TRAVEL PAST SOUTHWESTERN.
WELL AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WE PUT IT IN PLACE.
THAT WASN'T, UH, I MEAN AS FAR AS, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE KEEP, YOU KNOW, I I'VE HEARD A COUPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE WHATEVER, 10 OR 11 WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ASIDE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL.
UH, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE TREE, WHICH I THINK CHECKS OFF ONE OF THOSE BOXES.
UM, LAST COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE WENT THROUGH LIKE THE MINOR CHANGES AND I THINK, I THINK THE BOARD, AT LEAST FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE, AGREED THAT THOSE OTHER CHANGES WERE MINOR AND THAT THEY WERE ACCEPTABLE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE I'M GETTING FEEDBACK IS THERE, THEY THEY WERE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FLOW AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THEY WERE IMPROVEMENTS CERTAINLY, UH, TO THE WASH.
SO JUST, I I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH CHANGES.
I, WE, I DON'T THINK, YEAH, EACH ONE OF US THOUGHT IN, IN SOLITUDE, EACH ONE OF THOSE PRO THOSE CHANGES WERE MINOR.
IT'S WHEN YOU PUT ALL THE LITTLE MINORS TOGETHER, IT WAS A LOT THAT GOT CHANGED MM-HMM.
AND NEEDED SOME, SOME TIME TO LOOK IT OVER AND MAKE SURE WE WERE OKAY WITH IT AND GARNER SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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SO, SO LET ME, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT US TO SAY TO, TO, TO RESOLVE NO.THE AESTHETIC ISSUE AND THEN SAY, YEAH, BUT NOW WE'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS OTHER CHANGE.
SO HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING UP ANY OF THE OTHER CHANGES.
ARE WE CHANGING THE NUMBER OF VACUUM STALLS OR JUST THE ANGLING OF THE VACUUM STALLS? I BELIEVE THERE ARE LESS, A COUPLE LESS.
I THINK THERE'S TWO LESS PARKING, TWO LESS, UH, VACUUM STALLS.
BECAUSE OF THE, THE STALLS BEING ANGLED NOW THEY TAKE UP MORE ROOM.
SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE A COUPLE LAST, THE OLD EQUIPMENT 16.
DID WE GET THE, UH, NOISE LEVEL SPECIFICATIONS, UH, FROM THE EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER FOR THIS? THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED UNTIL BEFORE TAMMY SIGNS THE PLANS AND SHE HAD NOT SIGNED THE PLAN TO HONOR.
NO, WE WON'T GET THEM UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT HAS CHANGED.
SO THAT'S AFTER THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AFTER THE APPROVAL HERE, YEAH.
ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE TO BE MET BEFORE ENGINEERING WILL SIGN ON.
I THOUGHT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR A LONG TIME.
WAY BACK, WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DIDN'T GET IN INTO ALL THIS STUFF.
THAT WAS ANOTHER TIME OR AFTER NOT, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD YOU MIND IF I LOOKED AT THAT PICTURE OF THE OLD SINCE I KNOW YOU HAVE, UH, YEAH, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THAT, DOUG, IS BECAUSE YOU DID AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE RESOLUTION.
SO OBVIOUSLY THIS BOARD HAS TO, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT WE NEVER, BUT WE AUTHORIZED RESOLUTIONS, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
IF THEY, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY WERE GONNA ISSUE THOSE RESOLUTIONS.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE WE PREPARED RESOLUTIONS.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT YEAH, WE SHOULD TAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
YOU MEAN AFTER TODAY, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL HAVE A HEARING DONE.
OKAY, SO, SO LEMME SEE IF I COULD MAKE, BECAUSE I, I'VE BEEN ON BOARDS BEFORE.
WE MAKE A DEAL, EVERYBODY RIGHT? IF WE MAKE A DEAL AND I BUILD THAT BUILDING ON THIS SITE PLAN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD APPROVE TONIGHT? THAT BUILDING? YEAH.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WELL, BUT I'D HAVE TO GET APPROVAL ON ON THE OTHER CHANGES AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING CHANGES BY I THINK 60 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? UM, YES, BUT IT WON'T, IT WILL CHANGE AESTHETICALLY SMALLER BY 60 SQUARE FEET OR SMALLER OR BIGGER.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S ASKING? BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RIGHT.
TO BUILD THE BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
DO WE APPROVE THE OTHER 10 CHANGES TONIGHT? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING
WELL WHY DON'T WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? TAKE THAT SIDE.
SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF COME TO THE DETERMINATION FROM THERE.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S NOTICE THIS HEREBY, GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY DANIELLE FAMILY COMPANIES FOR APPROVAL OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE.
PLAN FOR A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY ON VACANT LAND IN NORTHEAST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN.
ALRIGHT, THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON SUGGEST CASE.
DANIELLE, FAMILY COMPANIES FOR THE CAR WASH.
ARE WE UP ON FACEBOOK? WE ARE.
SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE CAR WASH, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HERE FOR OR AGAINST, UH, DANIEL
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FAMILY COMPANIES? ANY, UH, COMMENTS ONLINE? NO.FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANYONE WILLING TO SPEAK, UH, HAVE AN OPINION ON THE DANIEL FAMILY COMPANIES CAR WASH? OKAY.
BEING NONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I GUESS I GET BACK TO THE, THE INTERESTING QUESTION THAT WAS PROPOSED.
IF IT WENT, IF, IF THEY, I GUESS THE WAY I'LL SAY, IF THEY GOT RID OF THE ONE CHANGE AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING, WOULD WE BE IN A POSITION TO APPROVE THE OTHER 10 CHANGES AS FAR AS THE CHANGES IN THE SQUARE FOOT, THE LAYOUTS, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE, THE FLOW OF THE PARKING LOT? WOULD WE BE IN A POSITION TO APPROVE THAT AS LONG AS EXTERIOR AESTHETIC STATUS THINGS? AS LONG AS THE EXTERIOR AESTHETICS STAYED THE SAME AS THEY WERE ON THE PRIOR APPROVED PROJECT.
SO IF ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT QUESTION THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TOUCH ON? NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN OFFERED, PRESENTED TO US.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A QUESTION THEY ASKED.
IT WOULD ELIMINATE A LARGE NUMBER OF THE CONCERNS AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WE HAVE ARE REGARDING THE EXTERIOR AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING AND THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE EXTERIOR AESTHETICS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE POSITIVE FOR THE APPLICANT IS THAT HE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK AGAIN.
IF IF WE, IF WE, IF IT WENT THAT WAY, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES THAT WE'D BE ASKING FOR.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION.
SO, SO YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO GO FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION ON THAT THEN? I THINK WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I WOULD THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT MEGAN SAID AND I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD GO SOME FURTHER AS IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE EXTERIOR BRICKING TO MASTER OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HAVE THEIR SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT THAT AS LONG AS THE STYLE AND ARCHITECTURAL FOUNDATION IS THE SAME, THE COLORS ARE LESS OF A COLOR, WHAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE OTHER SHADE OF BRICK, AS LONG AS IT'S KEEPING THE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, I THINK IT STAYS IN LINE WITH THE KEEPING OF THE CHARACTER AND THAT MEETS MORE WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
YEAH, I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD STAY WITH THAT.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN CALL IF YOU WANT.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO DO? YES.
SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE A MOTION WHERE YOU WOULD DENY THE ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES EXCEPT FOR THE COLORS AND APPROVE THE REMAINING CHANGES? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
HOW, HOW WE WRITE THAT IS, IS A DIFFERENT STORY ALTOGETHER.
JENNIFER, JENNIFER, SUPER EXCITED TO THIS ONE.
WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS STILL THE SAME, ALTHOUGH RESOLUTION, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT IS AND AS, AS AMENDED IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FINDINGS.
THE SECOND PART, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOESN'T CHANGE.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE SECOND PART OF THE RESOLUTION IS ABOUT.
THE THIRD PART IS WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO GET A CLEVER, BASICALLY SAYING YOU'RE APPROVING THE SITE PLAN MODIFICATION, EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING.
TRUCTURE ARE THE CHANGES NUMBER BUILDING CHANGES? THEY WERE NUMBER DRAFT.
DIMENSIONS NEED THE CHANGED BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT WOULD'VE TO CHANGE.
RIGHT? SO IT'S THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK, I THINK I GUESS CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT CHANGES THE MATCH LIKE AESTHETICS, BUT, AND SEAN'S THING, THE 11 THINGS, NOTHING PREFERENCES, THE CHANGE AESTHETICS.
SO IT'S IN THE EMAIL FROM YES.
IT DOESN'T REFERENCE SINCE YOU HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN AND YOU, YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY YEAH.
CHANGING AN APPLICATION TO MODIFY.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN APPROVE, I WOULD JUST SAY APPROVE ALL MODIFICATIONS, RIGHT? ACCEPT THE FOOTPRINT CHANGE AND THE BUILDING CHANGE.
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AND I THINK THE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE CHANGE IS ACCEPTABLE.I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S KEEPING AND KEEP WITH, ARE WE GONNA NEED THE FOOTPRINT CHANGE THOUGH, TO KEEP WITH THE OTHER THINGS YOU'VE ASKED FOR, LIKE MOVING THE OFFICE AND MOVING THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS FOR SIMPLICITY I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER TO KEEP IT AT 4,096.
THAT WAY IT GIVES THE ARCHITECT A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
WHAT TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS LIKE, SO WHAT DO WE CALL THE THING ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDING? THE THING IN THE TOP PUT ON SARAH'S ARE YOU, ARE YOU REWRITING IT? I I I'M THINKING OF REWRITING IT AND SAYING THAT, UM, THE, THE BUILDING WILL MAINTAIN THE CUPOLA FEATURES SHOWN IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVED SITE PLAN.
THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES IN THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN IS REFERRED TO AS THE OLA C WALLET, RIGHT? SO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WOULD REMAIN THE SAME SUCH AS THE OLA.
YOU JUST HAVE TO ALSO REFERENCE THE SECOND STORY WITH THE ULA, THE ON THE FRONT PORTION AND THEN THE SINGLE STORY ON THE BACK OF SINGLE TO YOU ALSO NEED TO REFERENCE THE, THE INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT OTHERWISE THE STRUCTURE REMAINS.
CAN WE READ THROUGH, SO SEAN HAD, SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OUTLINED IN HIS SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WILL INCREASE 4,006.
IT SHOULD ALREADY BE IN THERE.
CAN WE JUST CALL OUT THESE SPECIFIC CHANGES ARE AUTHORIZED AND ONLY IDENTIFY THESE YOU IN YOU IN THE AUGUST 31ST LETTER.
UH, THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM SEAN FROM AUGUST 30TH AND IT LISTS OUT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 11, RIGHT? YEAH.
THESE ARE AUTHORIZED I THINK, AND I THINK 10.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA KEEP THE THREE THE WAY THEY WERE.
SO WE GET RID OF 10, BUT AUTHORIZED ONE THROUGH NINE AND OKAY, SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT CHANGING IT'S JUST THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE? YES.
IT NOT DRAMATIC EQUIPMENT BUILDING.
IT WAS TWO FEET, ONE FOOT, SO IT WASN'T, IT'S A 66 FOOT CHANGE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TIE INTO THE ORIGINAL EXACTING FOOTPRINT IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON OTHER THINGS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE OFFER HIM SOME FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE IT UP REALITY RATHER THAT, I DUNNO IF I'D SAY THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, BUT
I'D SAY THAT BIT FARTHER IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I'M NEW TO TOWN, SO YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BEND A LITTLE BIT.
SO, SO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WILL REMAIN THE SAME, INCLUDING THE LOOK OF AN ADDITIONAL STORY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WITH A THIRD STORY ULA? I THINK THAT, YEAH.
AND THAT, THAT WAY IT ADDRESSES THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, NOT THE COLOR.
AND THAT THE LIGHTING IS STILL SHIELDED WITH OUR SITE COMPLIANCE.
DO WE NEED TO LIST OUT ANY OF THESE OTHER CHANGES? YOU KNOW? NO, I THINK WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING THE SITE PLAN ON THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE OTHER THING IF HE WANTS THESE OTHER TREES HIS BROTHER REALLY LIKES, HE CAN KEEP THE TREES BACK MIDDLE.
I THINK WE JUST DID CALIN TRYING TO PROVE SHE REALLY IS.
I, I, DID I NOT THROW OUT THE COLOR? I DID.
I, NOT THAT YOU CAN MENTION COLOR PAL.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GIVE THIS A SHOT.
WE'LL GO TRY AND GO SLOW SO PEOPLE CAN SHOUT OUT SUGGESTIONS AS WE GO IF I START MESSING UP.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM JSEK HAMBURG, LLC TO CONSTRUCT A STANDALONE CAR WASH NORTHWEST OF 4 4 8 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN THE HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ON 8 4 21 MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AMENDED SEEKER FINDINGS FOR THE HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK APPROVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED A REVISED SITE PLAN FROM THE DANIELLE FAMILY COMPANIES FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS REVISED PLAN.
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AND WHEREAS ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2021, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REVISED SITE PLAN.NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL SECRET DETERMINATION IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE AMENDED FINDINGS AND DOES NOT IMPACT THE APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND WE, IT FURTHER RESULTS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD GRANTS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE REVISED CAR WASH PROJECT BY THE DANIELLE FAMILY COMPANIES, UH, DRAWINGS DATED AUGUST 30TH, 2021 AND RECEIVED OCTOBER 2ND, 2021 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED OCTOBER 1ST, 2021.
THE FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THREE LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND SHOWN ON THE PLANNER.
FOUR NEON FLASHING COLORED LIGHTS SHALL NOT BE UTILIZED IN THE BUILDING OR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
FIVE, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL BE ALLOWED.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY'RE ALREADY LOCATED ALONG THE ROAD.
NOISE WILL NOT EXCEED 85 DECIBELS AT THE SITE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
THE APPLICANT APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT NOISE LEVEL SPECIFICATIONS FROM THE EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE EQUIPMENT.
NINE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL DATED AUGUST 4TH, 2021, INCLUDING THE LOOK OF AN ADDITIONAL STORY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WITH A THIRD STORY.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
AND THEY SAID I WOULDN'T GET DENNIS'S VOTE.
WAIT, SEANS OUT OPPOSED? DOUG? I OPPOSED.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE TELL SEAN I CAN'T DON'T, CAN'T TAKE THIS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID BRA REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN AIRBNB AT 4 7 0 8 CLIFTON PARKWAY.
WE ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION FROM MR. RESH QUITE A WHILE AGO.
UM, THAT INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WOULD JUST WANT TO REFER THE ISSUE BACK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND REQUEST THAT THEY RETURN TO COURT TO TRY AND ENFORCE THE CODE VIOLATIONS.
DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION FOR THAT OR I I WOULD DO A MOTION JUST BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, HAVE THE, UH, WHAT'S HIS TITLE? I'LL JUST SAY WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT ITEM IS TAKEN.
THE AGENDA IS BOB JOHNSON REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A BREWERY RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO 4 0 4 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
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OKAY.ALRIGHT AND WE'VE GOT PART TWO AND A DRAFT OF PART TWO AND THREE.
UM, AS EVERYONE GOT THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE, THOSE ARE SENT TO US AT A TIME.
THEY ALSO HARD COPIES, BUT THEY WERE SENT QUITE A WHILE AGO, TRIED TO BE CONSERVATIVE BASED UPON WHAT THE PLANNING WERE.
AGAIN, I ALWAYS SAY IF YOU MEET ANY OF THE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE LISTED, YOU AMOUNT TO LARGE IMPACT, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO BE EVALUATED PART THREE.
SO EVALUATION PART THREE BASED UPON SOME OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS YOUR DOCUMENT.
I ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME UP, THEY DO, DID GET THEIR MONDAY, I KNOW IT'S AFTER, BUT THEY DID GET THEIR SHIPPO SIGN OFF LETTER.
SO I SAW THAT THEY HAD THE STUDY DONE AND THAT'S, WE WERE BASING THE BIG DECK ON, BUT THEY NOW ALSO HAVE THE LETTER.
YES, SARAH ACTUALLY UPDATED US ON THAT.
SO DID WE GET A DOT LETTER? YEAH, WE HAD, WE GOT A LETTER FROM DOT SAYING THEY HAD NO CONCERNS.
YOU ALSO ASKED MY TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT.
IT BASICALLY WAS STOP BARS, ELIMINATING A COUPLE PARKING SPACES TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER.
I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN INCORPORATED ALONG WITH THE MOVEMENT OF THE ONE ROAD, WHICH WE WERE GONNA SUGGEST AND THEY ALREADY DID.
SO I, THEY'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE ISSUES OF OUR, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A, DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT? UH, NO YOU DID NOT.
WE, WE DIDN'T GET ANY MINUTES WITH ANY RED MARKINGS ON EITHER THERE.
BUT IT WAS JUST BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE DO.
YEAH, THE, THE MODIFIED, THE MODIFIED SITE PLAN INCLUDES THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE NEXT FRIDAY SO THEY COULD GET THE MODIFIED SITE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE SENT, I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY ALL BEEN ACCOMMODATED.
THEY WERE REMOVING SOME PARKING SPACES OUT OF SOME STOP BARS.
WE DID ALSO SUGGEST THAT THEY CONSIDER THIS AS A, UH, AN OVERFLOW PARKING AREA HERE.
I MEAN THAT WAS THE BIG ONE WAS JUST THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST SESSION, SOMEBODY INTO THE ROADWAY.
SO THE DOT SIGNING OFF ON, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS ANY MAJOR IMPACT TO THEIR HIGHWAY.
UM, WE, YOU WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT INTERNAL AND PARKING, WHICH WE ALWAYS GET INVOLVED AS PARKING NUMBER, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACE, ET CETERA.
WE'VE SUGGESTED, I MEAN THE PARKING COUNTS THAT IT MAY JUST WANNA HAVE AN AREA FOR OVERFLOW PARKING FOR EVENTS, BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT, UM, THEY'RE HOPING TO CONTROL THAT.
'CAUSE THERE'S, IT CAN'T, I MEAN THEY'LL HAVE MAYBE OVERFLOW PARKING IN THE PEGS I GUESS, OR YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREETS.
USUALLY WE WE'RE VERY CONCERNED 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SEE PARKING ON THE STREETS, BUT THEY CAN PARK ON ANY OF THOSE STREETS.
THOSE HIGHWAYS ARE ACROSS THEM THOUGH, CORRECT? YEAH.
THERE'S A LARGE PARKING RIDE LOT THAT ON HIS PEAK HOURS I IMAGINE WOULD NOT BE A TIME THAT PARK RIDE IS GENERALLY BEING BLOCKED.
PART TWO, WE SAW A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE CARS MOVING, ET CETERA WITHIN THE, WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SINCE LAST MEETING.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE ADDITIONAL AMENDED PLAN.
UM, CAMMY'S LOOKED AT THE DRAWING THE DRAWINGS, RIGHT? YEP.
YOU'RE FINE WITH THE DRAINAGE, EVERYTHING.
UM, THEY'RE IN A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT THEY PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THEIR PERMIT FOR, FOR, FOR THAT.
BUT THEY BELIEVE YOU'RE, FORGET WHERE IT WAS.
YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN OR YOU'RE GONNA GET A WERE GET A LO.
UM, SO I WOULD JUST NEED THE ENGINEERING PLANS UPDATED WITH THIS YES.
UM, BUT I WOULD NOT EXPECT THAT TO BE A SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING CHANGE FOR GRADING OR ANYTHING.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES? I FORGET, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
ADDRESS THE FENCE DETAIL NEW, THE FENCE THAT'S GOING AROUND THE OUTDOOR AREA.
I ONLY NOTICED THAT YOU CAN NAVIGATE AREA THAT WAS LIKE THE OUTDOOR YOU HAD LIKE YEAH, DEFENSE WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS FROM GUIDANCE FOR THE STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD ADDITION.
THAT WAS A, YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE LAST SECOND THING BEFORE RESUBMITTED.
UM, AS BOB MENTIONED, IT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM THE LIQUOR AUTHORITY.
GIVEN HOW BUSY THAT ROADWAY IS UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY, ISN'T IT?
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THE IT NO, THE FENCE AREA IS UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY, RIGHT? WELL THE ROADWAY IS, THERE'S THAT, THERE'S A BIG DITCH IN BETWEEN WHAT STYLE? FENCE RAIL.SO LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SPLIT LAYER OF WOODEN FENCE LIKE YOU SEE ON FARMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST LIKE IRON BARS INSTEAD.
JUST IRON HORIZONAL IRON AS THE, THE HORIZONTAL PIECES AND THEN, YEAH.
SO IT GOES WITH THE INDUSTRIAL, THE GOLF COURSE BUILDING.
THE OTHER OTHER THING, GOLF COURSE IS IRON.
THE OTHER THING YOU GUYS GOT A COPY OF WAS THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT IT WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LWRP, BUT WE WANTED A COPY OF THE FORM.
YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE FORM NOW THAT THAT WAS FILLED OUT BETWEEN THEM AND, AND THE COMMITTEE.
I'M SURE YOU CHECKED, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE IRON FENCE THEN IS GOING TO BE RESISTANT TO WEATHER.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, I NEED TO SEE IT RUSTY OR WE HAVE THAT FLYING STORM REMOVAL.
YOU DO IT YOURSELF OR DO YOU CONTRACT IT? UM, I, I, SO I CONTRACT IT, BUT I HAVE A PLOW IN MY TRUCK BECAUSE YOU NEED TO BECAUSE NOBODY'S AS RELIABLE AS YOU ARE.
YEAH, NO, EVERYBODY PLOWS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND THEN IT SNOWS ALL DAY HERE.
SO I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE SNOW.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE SOMETIMES CONTRACTORS DID, DID YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR PARKING IN A RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT DREW'S PUT IN? YEAH, IT LIKE THEY WERE ALL ADDRESSED ME.
I'M JUST MAKING, THEY WERE ADDRESSED.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, SAFETY, THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME VERY GOOD COMMON MANAGER.
SAFETY IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
I'M THE GUY WHO'S LIABLE FOR IT AND HAS TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO LIKE TAKING UP THOSE TWO SPOTS MADE SENSE.
THE TURNING RADIUS ON THE, BY THE BUILDING, YOU CAN PULL A TRUCK IN, I'M ASSUMING, OR BACK A TRUCK IN AND THEN PULL BACK OUT AGAIN EASILY.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE TWO AREAS FOR THE YES.
FOR THE DUMPSTERS OR FOR THE DELIVERY AREA? THE DELIVERY AREA.
THEN THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS WE'RE ALSO, MY RELATIONSHIP WITH VENDORS IS THAT ALL OUR DELIVERIES WILL BE BEFORE, BEFORE 11 WHEN WE OPEN.
SO IT, IT'LL BE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BACK ALL THE WAY.
THEIR ABILITY WILL BE ABLE TO COME RIGHT AROUND THE BUILDING IF THEY NEED TO BECAUSE WE WON'T BE OPEN.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN ON THE RARE OCCASION THAT THEY ARE, THAT WE ARE OPEN, IT'S UP RUN AWAY.
IT WOULD GIVE THEM AMARY TO BACK IN AND YOU WILL MORE SPACE FOR LIKE UBERS AND MEMOS AND ALL THAT.
THE ANTHONY DID THAT ON THE LAST PLAN.
A LITTLE WIDER FOR TURNING RADIUS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE, SO WE'VE GOT THE PART TWO, THE PART THREE.
UH, WHERE DID THE GO? THE DUMPSTERS ARE HERE.
THE DUMPSTERS USED TO BE BY THE ONE EXIT.
WHERE DID YOU MOVE THOSE TO? SO THE, ACTUALLY THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM WENDELL.
UM, WE HAD PROPOSED NEW PARKING THERE.
SO THAT DUMPSTER SPACE IS STILL THERE.
SO ON THE NEW, ON THE NEW PLAN THERE, RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER.
SO WE JUST REMOVED WHAT WE ORIGINALLY, PREVIOUSLY, YEAH.
WHICH THE SURVEY DID NOT CALL IT OUT AS A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
IT WAS JUST LOOKED LIKE A BLANK SPACE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE FILLED IT IN.
UM, COME TO FIND OUT THE DUMPSTER IS THERE.
SO THAT'S, WE TOOK THEM, TOOK THEM BACK OUT.
THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE MERGED.
WE WEREN'T GONNA APPROVE A PLAN THAT SOMEHOW TOOK AWAY DUMPSTERS ON IT.
WELL THAT'S A BIG PART OF OPERATIONS.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T ASK FOR THAT
SO MY STAFF WOULD BE VERY, YEAH, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE IS BE REAL HAPPY.
I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING PARKING.
OUR TRANSPORTATION GUY WAS ON VACATION IN FLORIDA IN A BAR AND THE GUY NEXT TO HIM SAID, DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW BREWERY IN HAMBURG?
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I, I'M, I'M OVERWHELMED BY THE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK THAT'S COMING FROM EVERYWHERE.
I HAVE FAMILY IN WISCONSIN THAT HAD FRIENDS OF THEM TELLING ABOUT THE BREWERY WE'RE BUILDING.
BUT THE GUY THAT DREW'S TALKING ABOUT IS THE GUY WHO I EMAILED REQUESTING THAT HE LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND HE GOT MY EMAIL WHILE HE WAS, WHILE THIS GUY WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT IN FLORIDA AND THE GUY NEXT TOLD HIM ABOUT THE,
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JUST GOES TO SHOW IT'S AN SO ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT ANY MORE PARKINGALRIGHT, UM, SO WE, SO WE GOT THE PART TWO.
ANY CHANGES FROM THE DRAFT PART TWO THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE MADE? SO, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO PART THREE, RIGHT? SO THAT MOVES US ON TO PART THREE.
WELL, BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE PART TWO THEN WE DEFINITELY HAVE CHANGE PART THREE.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO PART TWO.
WE HAVE ANYTHING WE WANT TO ADD OR DELETE IN PART THREE? NO THIS, A LOT OF THE IMPACTS RELATED TO DRAINAGE AND EROSION TAMMY HAS REVIEWED THAT ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO DRAINAGE EROSION FROM ARCHEOLOGICAL WAS RESOLVED.
ACTUALLY, WAIT A MINUTE, SORRY.
I THINK UM, DREW CHECKED YES ON THE BREWERY ON SEVEN A ABOUT, I THINK THAT CAN BE NO OR THAT CAN BE NO OR SMALL RIGHT THROUGH SEVEN A I MISS ON HERE OR DID YOU PUT THAT IN THERE? NO, IT'S YES.
SEVEN A IS TRANSPORTATION HERE IN THESE WRITEUPS.
SO SEVEN A SAYS IMPACT CO SMALL ON SEVEN.
YES, BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE TWO FISH.
OH, SO DO WE JUST NEED, THERE'S NO FISH THERE.
WHAT IS IT? LAKE OF THE ENDANGERED.
SO I THINK SHOW UP ON THE MACRO HABITAT DOES NOT ADD SO, SO YOU WANNA KNOW FISH INSIDE? WELL ACTUALLY I BELIEVE OUTSIDE MY EXPERTISE BUT THE LAKE STURGEON HASN'T BEEN SEEN.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING TO IMPACT FISH THE WAY.
SO I NOT PUTTING A DOCK OUT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT, NO.
SO I THINK HE WROTE ON TRANSPORTATION.
TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE 13 A NOT SEVEN.
WELL IT'S PROBABLY RIGHT AS HE HAD NUMBERED AND THEN THE NOISE SHOULD BE 15.
OKAY, SO WAIT, SO ON PAGE 13, SO THREE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE SEVEN TO A 13.
OH OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN, I JUST LISTED THEM ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
THEY DIDN'T CORRESPOND TO, OH SORRY.
THE TITLES ARE ONE MATTERS IN, I JUST LISTED THOSE FOR THE EIGHT THINGS.
THEY'RE NOT MATCHING OF THE NUMBERS IN PART TWO.
THE, THE HEADINGS ARE THOUGH IMPACT ON NOISE IN ORDER FIND IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
WELL THEN I THINK WE NEED TO ADD A HEADING THAT SAYS THERE'S NO HABITAT FOR LAKES SURGEON OR THAT ONE PAGE DREW? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE PAGE TWO.
I HAVE PAGE ONE AND PAGE THREE.
YOU HAVE WHAT? OH, I ALSO DON'T HAVE PAGE TWO.
I HAVE PAGE ONE AND PAGE THREE I, PAGE TWO SINGLED.
YOU SENT US AN EMAIL, CORRECT? I EMAILED.
SO IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
WE'RE GONNA ADD A SENTENCE NOW THAT WELL HOLD ON.
WE DON'T HAVE PAGE TWO TO KNOW IF IT'S THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PULL IT UP ON OUR COMPUTERS TOO.
WE GO PART THREE, REISE FROM SARAH SENT ONE ON TUESDAY.
SO PAGE TWO INCLUDES NO IMPACT, THAT THE'S NOT PRESENT, RIGHT.
IT INCLUDES THE AESTHETIC, RIGHT.
UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL THAT YOU PROVIDED THE VISUALIZATIONS AND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
AND I WAS GONNA NOTE, I WAS GONNA NOTE, UM, FOR THE VISUAL IMPACTS, IT IS FROM A DESIGNATED SCENIC RESOURCE.
THE ONLY DESIGNATED SCENIC RESOURCE IS THE, IS THE BEACH, I BELIEVE.
THE HOOVER BEACH, WHICH IS A COUPLE MILES AWAY.
YEAH, I SHOULDA NOTED THAT BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY THAT CAME UP BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE IN THE AREA, BUT IT'S HOW FAR YOU THINK BEACH IS A COUPLE MILES DOWN THE ROAD MILE.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT.
SO I GO BA SO WE GO BACK, I'M JUST GONNA NOTE THAT THE VISUAL RESOURCES, HAMBURG BEACH, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE EXCEPT, SO SOMEBODY COULD ARGUE THAT THE WHOLE LAKE IS A VISUAL, BUT IT'S NOT A DESIGNATED C.
YOU DO HAVE THE, YOU DO HAVE THE, UM,
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UM, SCENIC BYWAY, THE SEAWAY TRAIL, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE LWRP AND THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.BY THE WAY, JUST NOTE, THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL A WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE.
IT'S NOT A WATERFRONT DEPENDENT USE, BUT IT'S A WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE, WHICH IS TWO OF THE TYPE USES THAT ARE OUT ON THE WATERFRONT USE.
OBVIOUSLY THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS YOUR RIGHT.
ANY, ANY OTHER THINGS ANYBODY ELSE HAS FOR THIS PROJECT? NO.
UH, SEEKER IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BOB JOHNSON PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BREWERY RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND LOCATED ADJACENT TO 4 0 4 6 LAKESHORE ROAD, AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2021.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NO HEARING'S, NO PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS WRONG HEARING THE DATE ON THIS.
SO I GOT FURTHER, I, I QAQC FOR, I DIDN'T PICK THAT UP.
SO I CORRECTED YOU TO SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S SOMEONE, I MEAN, JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO I EVEN FINISH DOING SO GO BACK.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTERSTATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BOB JOHNSON PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BREWERY RESTAURANT ON VACANT LAND LOCATED ADJACENT TO 40 46 LAKESHORE ROAD, AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 4TH, 2021.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS AND THEREFORE, ISSUES THE ATTACHED SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS, PARTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE OF THE FEAF IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF THE SEEKER REGULATIONS AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE FEAF.
THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
LEMME JUST LOOK AT THIS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S, BASED ON THE REVEAL OF THE BOB JOHNSON PROJECT MATERIALS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY ISSUES SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND DETERMINE TERMINATIONS.
ONE, THE PROJECT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN'S LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM BASED ON THE COMPLETED WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORM THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED OCTOBER 1ST, 2021.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
UH, FOUR LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING PART.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 15TH MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.