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SO IT'S WELCOME TO THE WORK SESSION OF THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2021 HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR WORK SESSION TODAY.
NUMBER ONE IS MARK MOLE REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROPOSAL FOR A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED AT 2 9 4 5 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
ANYBODY HERE FOR MARK MO? WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE? HOW'S IT GOING? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, MARK HERE, UM, UH, ON HIS SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEM.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE'S AWARE, UM, BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP WITH THIS ONE.
IT WAS APPROVED, UM, INCORRECTLY.
UM, AND WE BEGAN WORK AND THEN WE RECEIVED A STOP ORDER AFTER WE HAD BEGAN WORK.
SO WE'RE HERE TRYING TO, UM, TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A FEW PHASES TO THAT.
UM, OUR PERMIT WAS APPROVED AT A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, BUT I ALREADY HAVE POSTS ON THE GROUND.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
ANY
SO WHEN WAS IT APPROVED? IT WAS THE TOWN WE, WE BROUGHT IT TO THE TOWN, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE DATE THE DATE WAS APPROVED WAS 30 AND THEY WANT 20 THEN WAS THE 17TH.
AND THE STOP ORDER WAS ISSUED, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 23RD AT 3:40 PM AFTER WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN WORK.
SO WHAT YOU JUST, JUST A LITTLE UPDATE THERE.
THE BUILDING IS ONE OF THE BUILDING INSPECTORS BY ACCIDENT GAVE OUT THE BUILDING, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE TOWN ADOPTED A NEW SOLAR WALL AND THE YEAR 2020, I BELIEVE BEING IN 2021.
UH, ONCE THEY REALIZED THEY WERE THERE, THE NEIGHBOR NOTIFIED.
THEY WENT OUT THERE AND ISSUED STOP WORK ORDER, SAID THIS IS A TIER TWO SOLAR PROJECT UNDER THE TOWN'S NEW LAW.
IT HAS TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR, FOR APPROVALS.
THEY HAVE ASKED FOR THE VARIANCES.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT.
UH, TONIGHT THEY'LL HAVE TO APPEAR BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET THAT VARIANCE.
OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE THE SYSTEM AND MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, AND AGAIN, IN YOUR PA I GAVE OUT TONIGHT, I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE SOLAR LAW.
I PUT LINES THROUGH THE STUFF THAT'S TIER THREE, BUT YOU MIGHT AS WELL KEEP THAT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TIER THREE PROJECT.
NEXT, NEXT MEETING IS, THERE'S A PROJECT COMING IN.
UM, SO THIS IS A SMALL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING? FEET? UH, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THE REQUIREMENT OF 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THIS IS NOT AGRICULTURE RELATED? NOPE.
IT'S JUST THIS TO SUPPLY POWER TO THE HOUSE OR BASICALLY RUN THE METER BACKWARDS.
UH, I'LL BE HAVING, UM, I'M TRYING TO, IF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, ALL YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN SOUTH CREEK.
IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SIX YEARS.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO A WORKING FARM.
SO MY WHOLE PLAN IS TO, THAT'S GONNA HELP ME WITH THE UTILITY BILLS AND EVERYTHING TO, UM, KIND OF GET THIS PROPERTY BACK.
SO IS THIS A PROPER, A PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED FOR, UH, TO ONLY BE USED TO MEET THE ANNUAL POWER NEEDS OF YOUR PROPERTY? OR IS THIS A, UH, COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECT? NOPE.
THIS IS ONLY JUST INDIVIDUAL ONSITE CONSUMPTION.
NOTHING IS BEING USED OFFSITE.
PEOPLE ALWAYS STATE THAT, YOU KNOW THE STATEMENT THAT, OH, IT HAS TO BE USED ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL, ALL IT DOES IS RUN YOUR METER BACKWARDS.
IT'S REALLY NOT USED ON THE PROPERTY.
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JUST YOU GET, YOU GET CREDIT ON YOUR METER AND OTHER PEOPLE.OH, IT HAS TO BE USED IN THE HOUSE.
WELL, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY USED IN THE HOUSE, IT JUST RUNS BACKWARDS.
BUT IT'S, THE INCENTIVES ARE LIMITED BASED ON EVEN HAVE PANELS IN OUR HOUSE.
LIMITED TO 110% OF THE POWER ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE MYER WOULD NOT YOU ANY MONIES OR WHATEVER FOR ANYTHING THAT POWER OVER THAT.
THIS ISN'T LIKE A ONE ON BIG TIER THREE ONES.
I'M WORKING ON 3000 ACRE
BUT THIS IS A SMALL RESIDENTIAL GRADE TIER TWO SYSTEM.
STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVALS.
THERE ARE EIGHT DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR THEM TO GET APPROVAL THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ONCE, IF THEY RECEIVE THAT VARIANCE, OBVIOUSLY THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO SITE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, SARAH IS LISTENING IN ON FACEBOOK AND SHE'S BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY SHE WOULD ASK YOU PROBABLY AT THIS POINT, ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ANY ISSUES YOU HAVE WITH THIS.
BUT TABLE IT, IT'S ALL GONNA BE DEPENDENT UPON WHETHER THEY GET THE VARIANCE OR NOT.
THERE'S NO SENSE WORKING ON THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET THE VARIANCE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE SOLAR.
UM, SO, AND UH, AS I MENTIONED THE BILL ON THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
UM, THAT CORRESPONDENCE WILL BE HANDED OUT AFTER THE MEETING, UH, CAME IN TOO LATE.
YOUR POLICY IS ANYTHING THAT COMES IN AFTER FRIDAY CAN'T BE GIVEN OUT.
SO WE'LL GIVE IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY ACTION TONIGHT? PROBABLY WON'T BE BILL TILL TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW.
AFTER THE WHEN WAS THE NEXT, WHEN THE, WHEN THEY GO IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO COME AT THE, AT OUR NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THE ZBA OCCURS AFTER THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE LATER MEETING IN, IN NOVEMBER.
THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
WE WERE TOLD WE COULD BE ON THIS NEXT MEETING AND WE'VE APPLIED FOR IT COULD, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION BECAUSE UNTIL, UNTIL WHETHER YOU GET THE, THE VARIANCE OR NOT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE, THE VARIANCE.
OH, YOU ARE ON THE YEAH, WE ARE ON THE, YES.
THIS BOARD CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL, UNTIL THAT ZBX.
IT'S A HUGE ISSUE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FOR YOU WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE.
'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO MOVE AND FIND A SPOT ON THE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, BOARD OTHER QUESTIONS.
I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS SO THEY CAN PREPARE FOR THAT PROBABLY SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UH, IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU GUYS NEED FROM THEM, LET PLEASE LET THEM KNOW.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK WE WOULD NEED? WHERE'S THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL? A
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT RAISED THE ISSUE.
UH, AND I PLACED IT HERE, UM, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO REDO THESE PASTURES BECAUSE OF THE AGRICULTURAL RIGHT SIDE THAT I'M TRYING TO GET WITH THIS PROPERTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY I PUT IT OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO USE THIS FOR HAY AND GET THESE GOING AGAIN FOR, UM, THE
THE NEIGHBORS PRETTY CLOSE FOR THAT AREA.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
THAT'S NOT HIS HOUSE? NO, THIS IS HIS HOUSE.
SO THE DWELLING, THIS IS HIS BARN.
THIS HOUSE IS, SO THIS IS FROM THE ERIE COUNTY MAP.
I'VE HAD ONE QUESTION ON THIS.
WHAT ARE THE FENCED IN AREAS? UM, ON THE SITE THERE ARE THESE FENCE IN AREAS, RIGHT? PASTURE.
SO IT WAS A HORSE FARM, SO IT JUST WAS NEGLECTED FOR SO LONG THAT GOT
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANIMALS OR ANYTHING? I HAVE CHICKENS AND OH, OKAY.
'CAUSE THERE'RE A LOT EASIER TO MANAGE FENCES.
SO ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY GROUND COVER FENCING OR LANDSCAPING AROUND THE CHANNEL ALREADY? SO THAT IS THE TIER THREE REQUIREMENT FOR A BIGGER PROJECT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
OPPOSE ANYBODY I'LL, I'LL PUT UP A BURN.
BUT NOW YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING IT.
CORRECT? YEAH, IF I DON'T HAVE TO, I'VE GOT, THAT'S ALL A NEWBORN CHILD.
I GOT ALL HIS STUFF I CAN TAKE CARE OF.
BUT I BELIEVE THE, AND WHETHER THE LAW ADDRESSES THAT OR NOT, IT'S ONLY FOR TWO THREE THAT WE REQUIRE FENCING.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S AN NAC, NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN SIZE SOLAR INSTALLATIONS YOU HAVE TO PUT A FENCE ON.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS MEETS THAT.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DOUBLE CHECK.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT TO BE FENCED.
WOULD IT THROW ANY RESIDUAL REFLECTIVE PLATE? NO.
SO THIS IS CREATE ANY PLATE, 70 ACRES OF VACANT, 78 ACRES OF VACANT.
THERE'S NOT A NEIGHBOR FOR A HALF MILE BACK THERE AND IT HAS THE ANTI-REFLECTIVE.
SO THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE SO IT'S NOT GONNA THROW LIGHT THE IF IT DOES ANY NUISANCE SOUNDS CORRECT.
IF IT DOES THROW ANY, GOT A NEW ONE.
SORRY TO ASK IT, BUT IT'S OKAY.
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IF YOU COULD PROVIDE FOR THE, FOR THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SOLAR PANELS, FOR THE COATINGS, JUST RE UH, GIVE US PROOF THAT THEY DON'T CONTAIN PFASS IN THEM.UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEW THING NOW WITH THE, THE, THE FOREVER CHEMICALS.
AND WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COATINGS INCLUDE THOSE PFA, BUT THE MANUFACTURERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO STATE THAT THEY DON'T.
THOSE WE CAN GET THAT MM-HMM
THOSE ARE FOREVER CHEMICALS AND THEY DON'T WANT, AND THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE COPY, THE TOWN LOSS AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT THERE WON'T BE A GLARE ON YOUR SITE PLAN.
ON THE, SO YOU WANT THAT ON THE SITE PLAN MUST BE PROVIDED WITH THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T HAVE BE ON IT, BUT HAS BE PROVIDED THE MANUFACTURER CAN PROVIDE US THE, THE GLARE, THE PERFECT, UH, INFORMATION.
AND, AND THAT MAP IS ARRANGED NORTH SOUTH TOO.
SO THIS, THE SUN LITERALLY COULDN'T EVEN CREATE THE LAYER THAT WOULD GO BACK.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE REAL HARD QUESTIONS GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO ARE WE OKAY WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THE SECOND MEETING OF NOVEMBER? SO SARAH ACTUALLY JUST MESSAGED ME THAT THE ZBA NEXT MEETS ON NOVEMBER 9TH.
SO OUR PLANNING AGENDA WILL HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT BEFORE THAT DAY.
SO CAN WE PUT IT ON AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CANCEL IT? CANCEL IT.
I THINK WE YEAH, WE, WE CAN, IT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT PUTS HIM SIGNIFICANTLY FAR BEHIND ON THE PROJECT.
THE PANELS ARE LITERALLY SITTING IN MY DRIVEWAY ON PALLET.
SO, SO I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING SINCE THE POSTS AND THE PANELS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT IF THE ZONING BOARD WERE TO NOT APPROVE THIS, THAT YOU WOULD THEN BE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE PLAN AND YOU'D JUST YEAH, IT WOULD BE FOUR FEET CLOSER.
WE COULD STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT.
HOPEFULLY BY THEN THEY HAVE REVISION VISED LAYOUT THAT THEY CAN PRESENT.
IF THEY, IF NOT, WE JUST COULD DO ANOTHER ONE.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARK MO FOR NOVEMBER 17TH.
DOES THE TOWN NOTIFY OR IS THAT GONNA BE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF US TO NOTIFY? WE NOTIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.
FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT SARAH WILL, YOU KNOW.
SOMEBODY CAR, I IMAGINE WHEN THERE'S ONLY ONE ARM.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND TO SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LAKE SHORE ROAD AND BIG TREE ROAD.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING A NEW PROJECT, UM, FOR OUR TENANT, THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORES.
AND UM, THIS IS LOCATED AS WAS STATED AT THE, UM, AND I'M SORRY FOR ANY OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I'M TARA MATHIAS WITH THE BROADWAY GROUP.
UM, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED, UM, AT AN INTERSECTION OF LAKESHORE ROAD AND WHERE WE HAD PLANNED TO HAVE A BIG TREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND I THINK IT'S STILL CALLED TRAFFIC CIRCLE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S KIND OF, Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
IT IS KIND OF CONFUSING 'CAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY I THINK TWO INTERSECTIONS CALLED BIG TREE AND LAKESHORE.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S CLOSER TO LIKE HAMBURG MOTORS AND THE ELDON TIRE.
IT'S ON THAT INTERSECTION AND IT'S ACTUALLY FROM WHAT I I WOULD CALL IT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT INTERSECTION.
I THINK THAT THE AGENDA MIGHT HAVE SAID A DIFFERENT, UM, ORIENTED US A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
AT ANY RATE, THIS SITE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE, UM, PLANNING BOARD BEFORE FOR SOME OTHER PROPOSED PROJECTS, UM, THAT JUST HAVE NOT GONE FORWARD.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS TO CONSTRUCT THAT LITTLE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE 35 PARKING STALLS, UM, MANAGE THE STORM WATER ON SITE WITH SOME OPEN, UM, STORM POND SYSTEMS. WE ARE AWARE THAT THE SITE HAS SOME OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.
THE FOSTER BROOK RUNS ACROSS THE BOUNDARY.
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AND SO, UM, THERE IS A, WE'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN.THERE IS A FLOODWAY FOR THE, UM, BROOK.
WE WOULD AVOID ENCROACHING ON THE, UM, THE FLOODWAY AND OF COURSE WE WOULD BUILD THE, UM, BUILDING PAD ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
UM, THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE, UM, ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC SEWER THROUGH ERIE COUNTY.
I DID REACH OUT TO THEM AND THEY SAID THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO US DOING OUR, UM, SEWER THROUGH A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED PLANS TO ERIE COUNTY YET FOR REVIEW, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION TO, TO MANAGE THE, UM, THE, UM, SANITARY SEWER THROUGH A, AN ONSITE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
CAN I, CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? TAMMY, DO YOU KNOW THE RULES ABOUT THAT? I THOUGHT IF YOU'RE IN A SEWER DISTRICT, I DON'T THINK COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO GET A WAIVER TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT A SEPTIC SYSTEM IN A SEWER DISTRICT, CORRECT? I DUNNO, WHAT'S THAT? I'M NOT SURE ON THAT.
I THINK THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THAT POWER.
IT'S, IT'S THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF OUT OF ROCHESTER IS THE ONE YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET THE WAIVER FROM, BUT JUST, JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PROCESS.
HAVING, HAVING SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE YOU ARE IN A SEWER DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO REALLY PROVE WHY YOU CAN'T PUT SEWER UP TO THAT PROPERTY, PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM, THE SEWER DISTRICT.
SO WHY ARE WE SAYING YOU CAN'T PUT A SEWER IN? WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING TO THE SEWER? THERE IS NO SEWER ANYWHERE NEARBY.
IT WOULD BE AT LEAST A 500 FOOT EXTENSION AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BORE UNDERNEATH ROADWAYS.
AND SO, UM, IT'S, I WAS JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT THE COUNTY TOLD ME.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY I'LL TAKE D DREW'S ADVICE AND RESEARCH THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THERE IS NO NEARBY SEWER CONNECTION.
I GUESS I WOULD, AS WE EXPLORE THIS, WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE SEPTIC SYSTEM TO THE, THE CREEK THAT'S OVER THERE.
AND THE POTENTIAL FLOODPLAIN TO THAT CREEK.
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READING ANY POTENTIAL INFILTRATION CONCERNS.
BECAUSE THIS, WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT OVER HERE WHERE THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT ARTIFICIAL FILL IN THE, IN THE CREEK AND PAST LEGACY, UM, ISSUES WITH THAT, THAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAD RAISED.
DAVID AND I WOULD DEFINITELY TRY HOW BEST I GUESS OBJECTION SEWER.
I, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD GOOD BECAUSE THE, THE SOIL'S OUT THERE, BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A FLOOD FLAME AND FLOODWAY ARE PROBABLY NOT GOOD.
YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF SAND FILTER OR THAT SYSTEM.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT THAT AREA.
IT'S, IT'S 500 FEET IS CONSIDERED CLOSE TO A SEWER, BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA COST BECAUSE OF BORING OUTTA THE ROAD.
TYPICALLY THE STATE WILL ASK YOU DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, IT'LL COST YOU SO MUCH VERSUS WHAT IT WOULD COST A FOOT SEWER.
THEY LOOK AT A 25 YEAR PAYBACK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST, JUST CHECK INTO THAT.
AND, AND THE STATE WILL DO THAT, DREW? NOT US.
WHAT'S THAT? THE STATE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT COST BENEFIT.
I THINK IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE I DID THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE, IS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GET A WAIVER TO PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM IN BECAUSE WOULDN'T BE A DO IN NEIGHBORS.
UM, THAT WAS THE, WHICH BUSINESS? THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS KIND OF FAR DOWN THE ROAD? IS IT, IS IT FAR? I MEAN, BUT THERE'S, THEY GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
BUT I DID GET A MAP FROM ERIE COUNTY SEWER AND I COULD LOOK AT THAT.
THEY SHOWED ME THE VARIOUS CONNECTION POINTS AND AGAIN, UH, I WAS JUST GOING OFF OF THEIR ADVICE THAT A SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT THE AUTHORITY ON GIVING ME THAT PERMISSION, THEN OF COURSE I'LL SEE, UM, IF THE STATE CAN ASSIST US WITH A WAIVER, UM, OR IF WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, EXTENDING THE SEWER LINE.
WE HAVE, UM, PROVIDED TO THE BOARD.
I HOPE THAT YOU RECEIVED A PRELIMINARY, UM, RENDERING, UH, ARTISTIC RENDERING OF WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE THE BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE.
WE ARE IN THAT LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM, SUB AREA ONE.
AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT YOU, UM, PROVIDE A NAUTICAL THEME TO YOUR DESIGN.
AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING ARCHITECTURE, I DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT THAT STOOD OUT TO ME.
UM, BUT I DID SEE THE HAMBURG CLOCK TOWER AND I THOUGHT THAT LOOKS NAU COOL.
IT HAS, UM, SOME SHAKE SHINGLES ON IT.
IT HAS SOME, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN, UM, JUST SOME FEATURES THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AREA AND WOULD REALLY, WE WERE TAKING OUR INSPIRATION FROM THAT CLOCK TOWER.
SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON.
UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, TO THAT I, LOOKING AT LIKE SOME CERTAIN, SOME MAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A, UM, LAKE ERIE LIKE WATERFRONT TRAIL THAT GOES DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND SO OF COURSE WE WANT THE SITE TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT SENIC UM, ROUTE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY CHOOSE TO WALK, YOU
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KNOW, WALK THAT PATH OR THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, PROBABLY THE, THE SITE IN A NUTSHELL.
AND SO I WOULD OF COURSE LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
UM, THE FACADE TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK, WE DID SUBMIT THE, UM, ASSESSMENT FORM FOR THE LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALATION REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD MAY NEED TO SORT OF REFER IT TO THEM, UM, TO KIND OF START THEIR REVIEW OR COMMENT ON, UM, THE LOOK AND OF THE BUILDING AND SOME, YOU KNOW, THOSE FEATURES THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
CAROL, WOULD THEY WOULD, WOULD THEY ENTER ON LAKE SHORE OR BIG TREE ROAD? HOW WOULD THEY ADD THERE ON BIG TREE ROAD AND THE SAME EXIT AND ENTRY ONE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T BRING INDIVIDUAL PRINTOUTS, BUT I DO HAVE A REALLY BIG PRINTOUT.
I THOUGHT THAT, UM, SINCE I CAME ON A PLANE I DIDN'T BRING LIKE A, A, UM, EAGLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO SHOW YOU, BUT IT'S JUST, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE LAYOUT.
AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF CRINKLY, BUT THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE OVER HERE OFF OF, UM, VICTORY TREE, THINK COUPLE EXTRA.
DO DO YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN YET? WE DO NOT.
WE HAVE NOT ADVANCED TO A LANDSCAPING PLAN OR A FULL SET OF CIVIL DESIGNS.
WE'VE BASICALLY JUST DONE THE, THE LAYOUT IN A, UM, PRELIMINARY GRADING PLAN IS ALL WE'VE DONE AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE GET SOME FEEDBACK.
WHAT'S THE TREE REQUIREMENT FOR? AND THEY'RE ON A CORNER.
SO WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? BY HOW MANY TREES ABOVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
WHAT'S THE TREE RE THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT.
IT'S 30 FEET, 30 FEET ON CENTER AND THEY GO AROUND ON THE CORNER LOT AND WHATEVER.
YOU CAN ALSO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THEM IN ONE AREA.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY JUST PUT 'EM AROUND THE, AROUND THE BORDER, BUT YOU ADD 'EM UP AND YOU SAY THIS IS THE MINIMUM TREE REQUEST.
THE WAREHOUSE THAT WAS A WAREHOUSE.
THE LAST THING PROPOSED ON THIS SITE, I THINK WE CAME UP WITH IT, IS THE SAME SITE.
UH, WE, WE CAME, CAME UP WITH A NUMBER.
IT WAS, IT WAS A PRETTY BIG NUMBER 'CAUSE OF JUST THE, THE WAY THAT, UH, OUTLINE IS.
SO IT WAS 30 FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF AND THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? YEAH, IT'S IN THE SITE PLAN REGULATIONS.
JUST GO TO THE SITE PLAN SECTION.
IT GIVES YOU LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT, BASIC ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD AMOUNT THAT WE PLAN FOR THAT.
THIS IS PARCEL BEING SUBDIVIDED OFF OF A LARGER PARCEL BECAUSE I RECALL THAT THIS USED TO BE A VERY LARGE TRIANGULAR PARCEL.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GONNA MENTION THAT.
SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT HAD THE ISSUES WITH THE FILL, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE SAME SPOT WHERE THE SO IT IS, YES.
AND WE HAVE, UM, SHE'S WATCHED HER READINGS.
WELL, I DID READ, GO BACK AND READ THE, THE MEETING NOTES FOR SURE.
AND I DID A, UM, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST WITH, UH, YOU SAY AND GOT THE, ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD ON THAT.
FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, THE ISSUE HAD BEEN CLOSED AS FAR AS THEY WERE CONCERNED.
BUT OF COURSE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SMALL ISOLATED WETLANDS, THEY APPEAR TO BE DEPRESSIONAL.
THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE JURISDICTIONAL.
UM, BUT WE HAVE INITIATED A WETLAND DELINEATION, UM, WITH USE ACE BECAUSE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE DID FIND SOME OF THOSE POCKETS OF WETLANDS.
SO I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I RECALL THEN IS THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN WILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLANS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ON HERE YET, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS, YEAH, THERE WAS CONCERNS.
THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECT AND THEY WILL PROBABLY COMMENT MM-HMM
AND IF YOU, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA REACH OUT TO MARK AND TRY TO PROACTIVELY ANSWER ANY OF HIS QUESTIONS.
HE'S THE CHAIR OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD AND SARAH TENANT, DON'T WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION, UH, THE DIVISION AND COMMERCIAL DIVISION OF PROPERTY? YES.
WE'RE GONNA NOT TO APPROVE THAT.
NOT A HAMMERING REQUIRES ANY DIVISION OF PROPERTY.
DOESN'T, DOESN'T DO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO DIVISION OF PROPERTY, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE BOTH LOTS ARE STANDALONE LOTS AND ARE CAPABLE OF, OF USES ON THEM.
I THINK THE BOARD IS HITTING UPON THE ISSUES.
I THINK THE BIG ISSUES ARE, UM, THE WATERFRONT ISSUE.
THE, THE WATERFRONT ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THE VIEW OF THAT, OF THE PROJECT.
THE ISSUE OF THE NAUTICAL THEME, WE'VE GONE BACK, ARE YOU GUYS, REMEMBER WE DID A, UH, THE DAYCARE DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN PART TOWN PUT A LITTLE WHITE HOUSE OUT FRONT, AND I THINK THE ONE TIM MORTON'S PUT PUT NAUTICAL, UH, ROPES, ROPES, WHATEVER AROUND IT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD DO STUFF OUTSIDE.
YOU REALIZE WITH THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MORTON SAID THEY WEREN'T GONNA BUILD A BUILDING THAT WAS A NAUTICAL THING.
YOU KNOW, THEY, BUT THEY DID OTHER THINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
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ARE AS KATELIN AND OTHERS HAVE STARTED TO BRING UP, I THINK THE APPLICANT REALIZES THAT IT'S A DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENTAL SITE.UM, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A FULLY AF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
THEY ACKNOW THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT IT HAS FLOODPLAIN ISSUES, WETLANDS ISSUES, THE FILL PROBLEMS THAT EXISTED WITH IT, ESPECIALLY THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A TRIBUTARY OF A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE.
SO, UM, DREW THAT WAREHOUSE LA THE LAST THING IN FRONT OF US ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? DO YOU REMEMBER? DO YOU KNOW? I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE STILL BEEN IN PERSON AT THAT POINT.
WELL, WE DEFINITELY WERE STILL IN PERSON.
I JUST, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, AND WE COULD PULL THE FILE ON THAT.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THAT WATERFRONT COMMITTEE WAS NOT MEETING AND I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN BEFORE THEY STARTED MEETING AGAIN.
I THINK ULTIMATELY HE DID RECEIVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT THEN THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UM, THAT WERE REPORTED TO YOU SAFE.
AND I THINK WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING, HIS PROJECT JUST GOT DERAILED.
HE JUST, I THINK HE JUST WANTED TO MOVE ON FROM AND NOT PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS THE LAST I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT IT, IS THAT IT HAD BEEN REFERRED TO THE ARMY CORPS'S ENFORCEMENT DIVISION FOR WHATEVER RESOLUTION THAT WAS.
AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD HERE, I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, NOT JUST FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, YOU'RE NOT A BIG GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC, BUT ACCESSING AND OUT THE SITE.
BUT WE WERE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT, AND WITH, WITH DOLLAR GENERAL IS, IS THE ABILITY TO WALK THERE, THE WALKABILITY OF THE AREA, HOW YOU'RE GONNA, THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK TO THAT SITE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD WALK FROM.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AREA, BUT I I, I HAVEN'T RUN OUT THERE AND IZED ANY SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA THAT WALK DOWN.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE PAD, LIKE RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION, LIKE A CONCRETE PAD AND THERE'S SOME UTILITIES THERE.
BUT I THINK SIDEWALKS DO NOT NECESSARILY EXTEND, I DON'T THINK DOWN THE ROAD FRONT.
I THINK THEY KNOW ALL THE, I DON'T THINK ON THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK BASED ON THE SATELLITE IMAGERY, IT LOOKS LIKE ONCE YOU GO PAST ST.
FRANCIS AND LIKE THE STADIUM AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD CURRENTLY WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN PAST BATTERY POST.
AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING CURRENTLY ON THAT CORNER, BUT IT LOOKS, THERE IS A CROSSWALK THAT GOES ACROSS ROUTE 75 THERE.
UM, BUT NOT ACROSS, THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC ON THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT, YOU COULD UP UNTIL THAT PARCEL GET ON SIDEWALKS FROM LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL FROM THE STADIUM IF YOU NEEDED TO RUN OVER AND MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LAKE SHORE ROAD IS A STATE, STATE ROAD, BIG TREE ROAD.
AND DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT SECTION THERE? IS IT A STATE HIGHWAY? I DON'T THINK SO.
'CAUSE IT'S TRAFFIC CIRCLE ROAD, IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S PROBABLY BY THE CAR.
I THINK THAT IT'S CALLED THE LAKE LAKESHORE EXTENSION.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S 75 AS OPPOSED TO LAKESHORE FIVE.
SO WHEN YOU GET UP TO THE, SO IT'S PROBABLY COUNTY OR STATE HIGHWAY AT THAT POINT.
I KNOW SOME OF BIGTREE ROAD, THE TOWN OWNS, BUT THERE'S LITTLE SECTIONS OF IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY, I KNOW IT'S NOT BIG.
IT'S, I SAW THINK I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S A, SOMEONE IN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SHOULD KNOW.
RIGHT? WELL IT DEPENDS UPON THE MAP, THE AGE OF THE MAP.
SOME OF THE OLDER MAPS SHOW IT ONE WAY, THEN YOU HAD THE OTHER ONE.
SOME SHOW WITH THE BIG TREE EXTENSION, SOME SHOW IT, UH, UH, LIKE SHORT EXTENSION.
UM, NEEDLESS TO SAY IT'S JUST THREE FOR OUR PURPOSES.
FRANCIS DRIVE GOING ALL THE WAY.
THE MAP, UM, PAST THE, THAT INTERSECTION.
FOR, FOR THE RECORD, JUST LET SARAH, HOW WAS TALKING FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY? UM, IT'S ACCORDING TO CYCL, IT HAS THE COUNTY HIGHWAY LISTED.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THERE ARE TWO SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS JUST PAST THIS, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL.
ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A, UH, LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX IN THERE TOO.
IT'S HEADING TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? UH, NO, THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT AFTER THE BRIDGE OR THE TRAIN OVER PASS.
THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF TUCKED IN RIGHT BACK THERE.
ANOTHER, IF I'VE MADE A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE IS COMING OUT FIVE, GOING WEST ON FIVE, TURNING LEFT ON BIG TREE.
PEOPLE TURN INTO THE TIM HORS.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE TURNING TO GO UP TO, UH, THE DOLLAR GENERAL WOULD BE TURNING LEFT TO GO TO P'S PLACE IN A NEW, UH, BREWERY THAT MAY GOT APPROVED.
SO I THINK WE MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOWING, UH, WEST ON ON FIVE AT BIG TREE ROAD.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED
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KIND OF A, A DIRECTION TO GO UP THE, UH, PORT 75.CAN YOU SHOW, SO IF WE GO RIGHT OVER THE, SHE SAID IT WAS BEFORE I THINK LIKE RIGHT WHERE THE B DUCT IS HERE, THE TRAINED GUESS.
OKAY, SO THEY'RE BACK OVER THERE.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT LOOKS FAR ON HERE.
IT'S NOT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO.
AND THEN SHE'S LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION OF JUST THIS CORNER.
AND THEN THAT WOODED LOT IS THEN GONNA REMAIN.
I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS DOES THAT, THIS IS MAYBE HALF OF THREE QUARTERS OF MILE LIKE IT, THE REMAINING PART OF THAT, IF WE SUBDIVIDE THAT PARCEL WITH THAT WAS LIKE AN ODD TRIANGULAR SHAPE.
IS IT STILL BUILDABLE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE QUESTION, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT'S PART OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
ARE WE LEAVING A BUILDABLE LOT BEHIND? YEP.
OR IN SOME CASES WHAT THE TOWN HAS DONE IN THE PAST, AND IT'S NOT A BUILDABLE LOT, WE'VE ASKED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BASICALLY GIVE A PERMANENT CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR SOMETHING ON, ON THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THERE IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE CAN'T LEAVE A LOT THAT IS UNDEVELOPABLE BEHIND.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT'S A LOGICAL DIVISION OF PROPERTY.
SO WHAT DO WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS INTO THE CREEK AND THE FLOODPLAIN? CORRECT.
THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN ADDED TO THE MAP LANDSCAPING PLAN.
ARE ARE YOU GONNA PROCEED TO FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION YET, OR DO YOU WANT COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM CLAIMS OR BEFORE YOU PUT A COMPLETE PACKET TOGETHER, SOME SORT OF DOCUMENTATION THAT THE REMAINING PARCEL WILL BE AVAILABLE? WELL, AND AND SHOULD THEY GET INPUT FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE BEFORE THEY PUT A FULL PACKET TOGETHER TOO? RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WITH WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO AUTHORIZE A COORDINATED REVIEW IF YOU WANT.
SO TARA, ON THE, ON THE PARKING THAT YOU MENTIONED, 35 35.
SO WHEN I DRIVE IN AND THIS, WHEN I DRIVE IN MM-HMM
I'LL MAKE A LEFT INTO FROM BIG TREE, I'LL MAKE A LEFT INTO THE PARKING LOT AND PARK.
IS THAT THE, THE WOULD BE THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THEN WE HAVE PARKING ON TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU'LL HAVE PARKING, UM, NEAR THE ENTRANCE, THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THEN PARKING, THAT'S ALONG WHAT I'M CALLING LAKE SHORE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE LIKE, IT'LL BE AN L-SHAPED PARKING AREA.
YEAH, THAT'S UM, THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT.
AND I WAS HEARING WHAT, WHAT YOU ALL WERE SAYING ABOUT THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EARLIER.
WHAT WE'VE DONE ON, UM, A LOT OF SITES IN NEW YORK, WHEN THERE IS SOME EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THERE IS, WE'LL MAKE A CONNECTION.
WE'LL MAKE A CONNECTION FROM THE SIDEWALK TO OUR PARKING AREA AND THEN WE WILL ACTUALLY PUT A SIDEWALK, UM, STRIPING, UH, NOT A SIDEWALK, BUT A CROSSWALK STRIPING IN OUR PARKING LOT.
AND SO YOU WE'RE CONNECTING ACCESS TO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE CAN, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON THIS.
UM, SITE WE CAN DEFINITELY PROPOSE THAT MR. MCC MAKES A GREAT POINT BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE GONNA BE A PLACE WHEN YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT FROM ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS AROUND YOU PROJECTED.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IN A GAME, IF YOU GO TO A GAME AT ST.
FRANCIS, FRANCIS, YOU'RE WATCHING GAMES AND WALK DOWN, YOU WANNA GO TO SNACK OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE NOT VERY FAR TO WALK DOWN THERE.
CONCERNED BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE LOT OF PEDESTRIANS, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLES YOU REALIZE.
TO PUT BICYCLES, UH, ACCESS ALL ALONG THAT.
ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH OF ALL THE WAY UP.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO, WELL, DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD AND DO WE AUTHORIZE A COORDINATED REVIEW IF IT'S NOT A FULL SITE PLAN? I DON'T THINK WE DO.
THE SECRET LAW SAYS THAT START SEE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
THE RISK YOU TAKE IS OBVIOUSLY THE PLAN CHANGES TREMENDOUSLY, WE'LL SEND IT BACK OUT AGAIN.
YOU DO WANT TO GET EARLY INPUT AS, AS AS POSSIBLE AND NOT WAIT UNTIL A, A FULL PLAN IS DEVELOPED.
SO A LOT OF TIMES IT'S GOOD TO START A EARLY, I WANNA HEAR FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
I WANNA HEAR FROM THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
I WANNA TALK TO THE COUNTY SEWER AND SAY REALLY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT, THAT YOU CAN PUT A SET SYSTEM IN AREA? OKAY.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN AUTHORIZE TO BEGIN THAT TODAY.
WHEN DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK? IF I'M GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU ALL WITH A FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW, THEN I PROBABLY NEED A MONTH.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WANNA GET THOSE PLANS
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THE FRIDAY BEFORE.I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE PRESSING US TOO, TOO HARD TO GET ALL OF THESE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR AT LEAST THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO THE NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 3RD.
THAT'S WHAT, IS THERE A LOCAL WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETING AHEAD OF THEM? UM, ARE THEY THEY'RE HAVING THEM PRETTY OFTEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IF THIS WILL FIT ON THE AGENDA.
OKAY, SO GOOD TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEM WITH SARAH'S HELP.
YOU'LL YOU'LL, YOU'LL PROBABLY WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION TO 'EM WHEN THEY PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE COMING, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE, BUT IF IT, FOR SOME REASON IT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU TO SAVE A TRIP.
IF THEY'RE LIKE MEETING CONCURRENTLY OR WHATEVER.
DON'T, THEY'RE ONLY MEETING VIRTUALLY.
SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SO TO COME HERE, THAT MIGHT WORK.
WELL SIT IN A ROOM AND BE ON A COMPUTER WOULDN'T BE HELP.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA MEET IN PERSON AGAIN ANYTIME SOON.
SO THEN THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SUBMIT ANY PAPERWORK TO THE, THEY'VE SUBMITTED A WAF RIGHT? GOING TO THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
WHICH, AND THE SKETCH PLAN ARE GONNA BE SUBMITTED TO THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY THE PACKET ALSO GOES TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD TO GET EARLY COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS EARLY COMMENTS BEFORE THEY, THEY FINALIZE PLANS OR SAY, HEY WE, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS OR THAT WITH THE PLAN.
I LIKE SKETCH PLANS BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO GIVE MORE DIRECTION EARLY ALONG IN THE PROJECT.
SO I THINK THAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETS THE NIGHT AFTER WE MEET.
THEY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON THE LAST PROJECT.
YOU MAY WANNA ASK IF THEY'RE MEETING AND IF THEY WANNA MEET WITH YOU, IF YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA BE HERE OR AT LEAST REACH OUT TO MARK FULL TIME.
THEY JUST HAD A TON OF COMMENTS ON THE CYCLE LAST TIME THEY'RE MEETING ON, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE DAY AFTER, YOU MEAN THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER OR THEY MEET THE THIR THEY MEET ON THE THIRD THURSDAY AT LIKE 7:00 PM I THINK TYPICALLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE DAY AFTER, WHICH IS TOMORROW.
OH YEAH, THEY'RE MEETING TOMORROW.
I WAS THINKING NOVEMBER, BUT YES.
SO I GUESS THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE MEETING TOMORROW AS WELL, BUT, OKAY.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BEGIN TO AUTHORIZE A COORDINATED REVIEW FOR DOLLAR GENERAL AND TABLE DOLLAR GENERAL TO NOVEMBER 17TH.
MOTION BY MR. CLARK SECOND BYFORD.
NOW JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD BILL TABLE A SKETCH PLAN NOVEMBER 17TH.
WE'LL NOT PLACE IT ON FOR FULL SITE PLAN UNTIL THEY SUBMIT A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO THEY MAY NOT MEET THE DEADLINES FOR FOR THAT.
WE WILL PLACE IT AS A SKETCH PLAN FOR NOVEMBER 7TH.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ALRIGHT.
IT IS AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK SO WE CAN GO RIGHT INTO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR JUST NEED A ALRIGHT.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUSY BEAVER LAWN AND GARDEN INC.
REQUESTING SUCH PLAN APPROVAL PROPOSAL TO HAVE FIVE CONCRETE BINS AND A STORAGE SHED DISPLAY AT 4 4 1 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT TONIGHT.
WE'RE WE, UM, MELISSA, KEVIN COME UP FIRST.
IS ANY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, IS ANYONE HERE? SHE LEFT.
SHE WENT OUT AND DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I THINK SO.
DREW DID THE APPLICANT OH THANKS FOR COMING.
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WE CAN START PUBLIC HEARING.NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BUSY BEAVER LAWN AND GARDEN TO INSTALL CONCRETE BLOCK BINS AT 4 4 1 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 20TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BUSY BEAVER.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THAT PROJECT THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HERE FOR OR AGAINST BUSY BEAVER FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON BUSY BEAVER FORMALLY ZITS ADDING FIVE CONCRETE BINS.
SEEING NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK AT THIS TIME.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS.
AND I DIDN'T MAKE COPIES, I APOLOGIZE.
I HAVE ONE HERE IS IT SAYS RIGHT ON HERE.
YOU AUTHORIZED FOR BUSY BIEBER.
THERE'S THREE CONDI, THERE'S TWO CONDITION PROPOSED.
UM, THE NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK.
OH MR. PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION SIDEWALK IS WAVED AND IF YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER UP, DON'T LEAVE.
CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.
WHAT WAS IT? THERE WERE NO COMMENTS.
SO GOOD TO GO OR NOT QUITE YET, BUT LIKE GIVE US FIVE MINUTES.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS BESIDES WAVING THE SIDEWALKS AND THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING FOR ANY NEW LIGHTING? NO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS? NO.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSAL TO INSTALL FIVE CONCRETE BINS AND AN ACCESS DRIVE AT THIS SITE IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND THEREFORE NO SEEKER DETERMINATION IS NECESSARY.
THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON ITS REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE, HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S, DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES AND ADVISORY BOARDS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING, HEREBY GRANT'S CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE BUSY BEAVER LAWN AND GARDEN INC.
PROPOSAL TO BE LOCATED AT 44 15 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, ANY NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANCE.
TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAVED AS THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND BAYVIEW ROAD IS A SMALL DEAD END STREET.
GREAT MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK.
NOW YOU'RE SET FOR THE LIGHTING.
UM, WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN? THAT IS WE HAVE TO INSTALL NEW LIGHTING.
IF YOU INSTALL NEW LIGHTING IT HAS TO, IF YOU WERE TO PUT ANY LIGHTING IN, HAVE TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE SHIELD WITH LIGHTING.
I DON'T THINK YOU WERE PROPOSING ANY LIGHTING BUT WE JUST PUT THAT IN THERE.
SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WILL THROW OFF A LIGHT AND IF, AND IF YOU CHANGE THE LIGHTING, YOU YOU'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
DO I HAVE TO DO ANY, YOU NEED TO TALK WITH SARAH? YEAH, TALK TO SARAH.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR RUSSO DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT STORAGE BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT 3 7 1 0 MILE STRIP ROAD.
SO DID WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING WE WANTED TO SEE.
WE WANTED TO SEE THAT THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND I APOLOGIZE THEY ONLY HAVE SIX COPIES SO WE'RE OKAY.
THANK THIS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY AND EXAMPLES OF THE UH, SLIP FACE BLOCK BEING ALSO THE COLOR SAMPLE OF THE, UH, PANELS THAT AARON IS DESIGNED FILMING.
UM, SURE DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AGAIN? OR YOU
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CAN OPEN.WERE THERE ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE DRAWING SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW THEM? NO CHANGES? NO.
SO WHAT I PROVIDED WAS THE EXISTING FACILITY THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE'RE GONNA REPLICATE THE SAME EXACT BUILDING, SIMILAR FASCIA.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY AN ADDITIONAL STORAGE FACILITY FOR SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, READINESS FOR.
UM, AS DISCUSSED, IT'S GONNA BE ON TOP OF EXISTING PARKING AREA.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY GREEN SPACE.
UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH DISCUSSED.
DO YOU WANNA START THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CALL THAT? LET'S DO IT.
NOTICE THIS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLAYING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY RUSSO DEVELOPMENT TO CONSTRUCT AN EQUIPMENT STORAGE BUILDING AT 3 7 1 0 MILES SHIP ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 20TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOMA HALL.
RIGHT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON RUSSO DEVELOPMENT.
ANYONE HERE WITH ANY COMMENTS ON RUSSO DEVELOPMENT? I THINK THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY THAT HASN'T SAID ANYTHING.
THIS LAST THING ON THE AGENDA, YOU SURE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
ALL UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, I THINK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM'S WEIGHED IN ON IT.
SO, AND THERE'S NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR RUSO DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU GUYS DID NOT AUTHORIZE THE PREPARATION OF RESOLUTIONS, BUT WE DID JUST IN CASE.
AND IT WILL HELP AS PART OF THIS PACKAGE.
WHAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE, THIS IS, THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
I HAVE TENTATIVELY FILLED OUT PART TWO.
SO LET'S AT LEAST GO THROUGH PART TWO.
EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU ARE, THE RESOLUTIONS ARE READY FOR YOU.
SO AT LEAST WE SHOULD GO THROUGH PART TWO EIGHT PLUS THROUGH
SARAH, SARAH PUT THE RESOLUTION TOGETHER.
IF YOU WANNA FLIP TO THE LAST PAGE, LET'S TALK ABOUT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT
UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT PART TWO.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE DREW, YOU FLAGGED ON PART TWO OF THE EAF.
THE A FII, THERE ARE FOUR THINGS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT 'CAUSE THEY APPEAR ON, ON THE PART ONE OF THE AF.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THIS, THIS SITE IS KIND OF POSSIBLY ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE, BUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS IN THE DISTURB AREAS OF THE SITE'S.
A PAGE AREA, IT'S EXISTING PAGE, RIGHT.
YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU NEED A SW YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE OFFICIALLY UH, GET A SIGN OFF FROM, FROM UH, FROM SHIPPO.
BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT YOU'RE DOING IT IN A DISTURBED AREA BOARD.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THIS IS SLAB ON GRADE, RIGHT? LIKE YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THE EXISTING PAYMENT THERE AND YOU'RE BUILDING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PAYMENT? CORRECT.
THE NEXT ONE, THERE WERE WETLANDS IDENTIFIED IN THE AREA, BUT AGAIN, YOU ARE IN THE, THIS DISTURB AREA OF THE SITE WHERE THERE'S CONCRETE.
WE'RE ASSUMING THERE ARE NO WETLANDS, YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS ON THAT SITE.
AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE CHECK A BOX MARK AT LARGE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
IF YOU FURTHER RESEARCH BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THEY SUBMITTED, THERE SHOULD BE NO WETLANDS IMPACTS.
CORRECT? UM, ALWAYS CHECK BOX NUMBER 10 WHEN ANYTHING'S EVER BUILT IS ABOUT DRAINAGE.
CAMMY NO ISSUES WITH THE DRAINAGE DESIGN PAGE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS, IT SHOWED UP ON HERE.
IF THERE'S A REMEDIATION SITE SOMEWHERE NEARBY, I ASSUME IT'S NOT ON THIS SITE.
YOU'RE NOT DIGGING INTO CONTAMINATED SOILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, CORRECT? NO.
AND BEEN PUTTING IT ON TOP OF THE PA EVEN IF THERE WAS THE PAVEMENT.
SO DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PART TWO? WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION? ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL SENTENCES ABOUT IT BEING SLAMMED ON GRADE AND NO DISTURBANCE TO THE PAVEMENT TO ADD TO PART THREE.
SO I'LL LEAVE THOSE IN THE FOLDER FOR SARAH, BUT I DON'T RIGHT, SO WE WERE JUST HANDED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND A PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION, A PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY'RE BOTH RELATIVELY SHORT.
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WANNA, SO I THINK UNDER THE CONDITIONS WE MAY WANNA NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE GONNA, IF THEY END UP MEANING TO REMOVE THE PAVEMENT TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING THAT THEY'D COME BACK.BECAUSE THEN WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER FOUR, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA EXCAVATE THE PAVEMENT.
BUT IN THE BUILDING THE EXISTING BLACKTOP WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH CONCRETE.
OH, YOU SAY NUMBER 14, WHICH ONE ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT? UH, I WAS JUST SAYING WELL I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT IF WE'RE SAYING THAT, I WAS THINKING THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA SAY ANY SOIL DISTURBS, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY NEVERMIND.
I'M JUST MY, MY ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL LANGUAGE.
BUT WILL THERE BE ANY DIGGING INVOLVED WITH THE FOOT PUTTING IN THE CONCRETE JUST FOOTERS FROM THE EXTERIOR? CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT MAKES ME CROSS WALL CONDITION THAT THERE'S NO, NO IT'S OKAY.
I'M JUST NOT GONNA GO AS FAR AS IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING, I DON'T THINK THE REMEDIATION IS ON THIS SIDE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AROUND FEELS CORRECTION.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE IT'S NEARBY.
AND THEN THE ISSUE WITH SHIPPO IS I ALWAYS FEEL COMFORTABLE THE FACT THAT DURING THEIR SWIFT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SIGN OFF FROM, FROM SHIPPO ANYWAY.
AND I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD GET ONCE THEY REGISTER THIS PROJECT, CHRIS, DO THEY NEED A SWIFT PART PROJECT THAT HAS INCLUDED SOME DETENTION SYSTEM? SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY MINOR GRADING AS A RESULT OF PUTTING IN YOUR ASPHALT? SORRY, THIS SITE'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AND GRADED AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT IN A DISTURBED LOCATION.
SO BEFORE WE DO A RESOLUTION THAT REFERENCES THAT PART TWO, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, READ OFF THE CHANGES YOU WANTED TO MAKE TO THE, OH, I ADDED A STATEMENT UNDER PART ONE OR PART THREE THAT SAYS AREA IS CHANGED.
THE STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE SLAB ON GRADE.
NO IMPACTS ARE EXPECTED AS THE AREA WAS PREVIOUSLY GRADED AND AND DISTURBED UNDER ARCHEOLOGICAL.
I ADDED UNDER NUMBER TWO THAT THE AREA IS PAVED, UM, THEREFORE THERE'S NO WETLAND PRESENT.
AND UNDER THREE IT SAYS, I ADDED THE STATEMENT THAT NO, THERE WILL BE NO NET CHANGE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
NOTHING EARTH SHATTERING AND ANY OF THE STATEMENTS.
I JUST READ 'EM TO THE RECORD BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND MY HANDWRITING'S TERRIBLE.
ALRIGHT, SO NEGATIVE DECLARATION RUSO, SORRY, HOLD ON.
BEFORE WE DO THE RESOLUTIONS, I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE WERE ANY, OKAY.
I THINK ON NUMBER TWO CAN DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN HERE? YEAH, THERE IS A LAND, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SHRUBS GOING HERE.
I, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THERE WASN'T BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THOSE NICE TREES AROUND THE SETTING THE BAR.
UM, OKAY, SO THERE'S NO OTHER CONDITIONS, RIGHT? ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? I WAS GONNA DO THAT BETWEEN IT'S OKAY.
UM, NEGATIVE DECLARATION RUSSO DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED 3 7 1 0 MILES STRIP ROAD.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM RUSSO DEVELOPMENT INC.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW EQUIPMENT STORAGE BUILDING AT 3 7 1 0 MILES ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE TOWN ADVISORY BOARDS AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE A SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED PART ONE AND PART TWO OF THE EAF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND REVIEWED THE CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING SIGNIFICANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.7 OF SEEKER NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS AND THEREFORE ISSUES A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH 6 1 7 0.7 OF THE SECRET REGULATIONS AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
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SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.OKAY, SO, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTION, RESO DEVELOPMENT PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE ISSUANCE OF A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XL IIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE M THREE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE, HAVING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS, AND HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING, HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE RUSSO DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 3 7 1 0 MILE STRIP ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
LAW AND APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
ANY NEW LIGHTING SHALL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS AS WAIVED.
BE ONCE TAMMY SATISFIED WITH EVERYTHING SHE'LL TELL SARAH HAVE THEM SIGNED BY THAT I'M FINE WITH EVERYTHING.
MY HEARING LETTER SAID THERE WERE NO ISSUES, RIGHT? IT'S A CONDITION.
THE LETTER NO WAS PRETTY GOOD.
EVERYBODY MADE A, EITHER MADE A MOTION OR SECOND.
DREW SAID THERE WAS SOMETHING BUT WE COULD DO THE MEETING.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA HAND OUT WHILE FIND STUFF.
COULDN'T HAVE THIS IS THE LETTER RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S ATTORNEY ON THE SOLAR PROJECT.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ONE THAT WE SAW AT OUR WORK SESSION.
THIS, I DON'T THINK I HANDED IT OUT, HANDED THE SOLO PROJECT WE JUST SAW DURING THE WORK.
BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE'S ANOTHER SOLAR PROJECT COMING TOO.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU SAID THERE'S ANOTHER SOLO PROJECT COMING TOO? JUST YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REPORT.
ONE PERSON UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING.
THAT'S WHY I TOLD YOU I'D BE YOUR DRIVER.
SO, SO CAN, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, PASS THE OBJECT OUT.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 13TH MEETING? I ACTUALLY WANNA MAKE, UM, A MODIFICATION TO THE MINUTES.
UH, PAGE FOUR IS ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN.
IT SAYS MRS.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PROPOSED LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING.
THE LIGHTING ON THE PROPOSED BUILDING LOOKS MORE LIKE AN AIRPORT THAN A CAR WASH.
SO I AMEND MY MOTION TO WITH THAT CHANGE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, THE MINUTES WHEN ONE CHANGE BY THIS IS MCCORICK.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND RIGHT HERE.
ALL IN FAVOR? A A MOTION CARRIED.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, OTHER BUSINESS? DREW, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS? YES.
HE'S STILL PASSING THINGS OUT AND THIS IS, I'VE SEEN A FEW CARS WITH A STICKER THAT SAYS WHAT IS THAT? BUT IT IT'S, IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THAT CAR.
DREW, ARE WE WAITING FOR? YES, WE'RE WAITING FOR DREW.
WE'RE WAITING FOR, YEAH, I, ANYWAY, GO TO THE OFFICE
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IN THE, IN THE OFFICE.I FORGOT WHAT, WHAT IT'S IS ON THE WILLOWBEND PROJECT.
THEY, THEY PROPOSE NEW LIGHTING.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LIGHTING.
IT'S DECORATIVE LIGHTING WITH THE TWO DUAL TOPS.
THEY'RE GOING IN THE SAME LOCATION.
I MEAN THEY TECHNICALLY DID NOT HAVE TO COME BACK HERE BECAUSE THE STYLE OF LIGHTING WASN'T SHOWN ON ANY OF THE DRAWINGS, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH YOU GUYS BECAUSE LIGHTING WAS A BIG ISSUE.
YOU GUYS DISCUSSED LIGHTING, WHATEVER.
LET ME GET, I THINK I LEFT IT.
WHICH ONE IS THIS FOR SIR? I THINK I LEFT IT IN THE OFFICE.
WE WILL WE'LL BEND, RIGHT? BEND, BEND.
THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED, OH NO, THEY'RE SELLING.
THEY'LL 10 ADDITIONAL, BUT THEY'RE SELLING THEIR 14 AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY DIDN'T CARE WHAT THE BUILDING, LIKE CAR WASH ANYMORE.
DO I DESCRIBE THEM AS LOOSE NECK LIGHTS? I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE IMPROVEMENT IF THEY'RE DECORATIVE LIGHTS AND THEY'RE IN THE SAME SPOT.
BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD NOT PUT SOMETHING NICE.
CALIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
ANYTHING ELSE? HE'S GONNA BRING US THE PICTURE.
WE'VE NEVER HAD IT WHILE WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
RIGHT? SARAH, YOU'RE LAUGHING AT ME NOW.
SHE REALIZES I DIDN'T TURN THE RECORDER ON UNTIL WE STARTED DOLLAR GENERAL.
OH, SHE MESSAGED ME BEFORE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE KEEPING DISCUSSION.
UM,
JENNY'S LIKE, I'M STAYING ON THIS ONE.
YOUR
THIS IS THE LIGHTING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THERE, THE SHARE EVERYBODY.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY, THIS IS THE TYPE OF LIGHTING WE'RE GONNA PUT IN.
AND I GOT THE DRAWING HERE TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE LIGHT WHERE, WHERE THE LIGHTING WAS APPROVED ON THE PLAN BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTING YOU FEEL BE WITH THIS PARTICULAR, WHAT NEIGHBOR WAS CONCERNED.
I DUNNO, THIS GUY, WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE LIGHTING WAS GONNA SHINE ON PROPERTY AND THIS WAS THE LIGHTING.
THIS IS WHERE THE LIGHTING IS GOING.
I TRIED TO FIND THE SAME, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE THE SAME SPOT AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA EXTEND THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING ME IF I'M OKAY PHOTOMETRIC? NO, I'M OKAY.
AND THEY HAVE SOME PHOTOMETRIC UP TO SHOW THAT THEY STILL ONLY GO OUT A CERTAIN DISTANCE AND THE GUY'S PRETTY FAR AWAY.
SO AS LONG AS IT STAYS WITHIN THE SAME PHOTOMETRIC BOUNDARIES.
WE DIDN'T EVEN APPROVE THE POLE.
WE COULD PUT UP THE STANDARD WOODEN POLE GOING, WHERE'S IT GOING? DO YOU MAP ON THE ROAD THE LIGHTING THING SAID, BECAUSE IT IS A BLIND SPOT.
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THEM.
AND WE SAID THAT DOUG, IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE, ON THESE PLANS, DOUG COULD ANSWER THAT.
SO THESE ARE, I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT, THIS IS SHOWING THAT, THAT BASICALLY THE LIGHTING PATTERN IS GONNA STAY WITHIN THE, WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE, OF THE POLE.
TWO TIMES THE HEIGHT OF THE POLE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHAT'S
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HIS EXPERTISE ORDER.WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THAT? IT'S NO, BEFORE OR AFTER THIS.
THEY HAD THIS DOUG HERE, THEY, THEY HAD THIS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STYLE.
AND THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE OKAY WITH THE, AND THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.
NOW DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT? THIS WAS DONE AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHANGE TO MAKE THE CONSERVATION NEEDED TO DEDICATED TO TOWN HAMBURG WHEN THEY CHANGED THEIR PHASE.
THIS WE ALWAYS TAKE, IT'S ALWAYS DEDICATED TO TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WE'RE NOT TAKING THE PROPERTY.
THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO EASEMENT ENFORCE THE CONSERVATION.
WELL THIS IS, IT IS DEDICATED.
CONSERVATION EASEMENT FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO IT'S BASICALLY AN EASEMENT SAYING WE CAN ENFORCE IF SOMEONE GOES IN THERE AND DOES SOMETHING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FORCE.
LIKE IN BRIARWOOD, THEY USED THAT CONSERVATION AREA, BUT THEY WEREN'T THE NAME OF THE TOWN.
SO WHEN THEY DID STUFF IN THERE, THE TOWN HAD NO POWER TO GO IN THERE AND TELL THEM, YOU CAN'T TAKE THESE TREES DOWN, MAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S DEDICATED BOTHER ME MORE THAN EASEMENT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE POLLS? THEY JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? WE'RE WAITING FOR DOUG'S INPUT.
THESE WERE ALL SPECKED OUT BY AN ENGINEER THOUGH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BY THE AND IT CAME WITH A COVER LETTER, DOUG? YEAH.
UM, BASICALLY THIS GUY, HE'S THE EXPERT.
I, I THINK WRITING IN THAT AREA IS COMING IN.
DO YOU KNOW HIM? IT'S ALL DARK.
WHO DOES? I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALL MY LIFE.
I DON'T THINK I KNOW EVERYBODY THERE.
AND HE'S BASICALLY GIVEN THAT PARAMETER TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA GO ON BECAUSE WE JUST WANNA KNOW IT WASN'T ANY DIFFERENT THAN THIS AND THAT.
SO THAT IT'S, I MEAN I THINK THE POLE'S A NICE LOOKING POLE.
DOUG HAVE TO BE LED FOR THAT, FOR THIS KIND OF A USE.
SHOULD IT BE LED? OH, UM, MOST DEFINITELY.
YEAH, BECAUSE LOT REASONS, NUMBER NUMBER ONE, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LIGHT.
ACTUALLY THEY DON'T OUT AS MUCH.
ALTHOUGH THEY TORE DOWN SECOND, THEY, THEY LAST LIKE $2,000.
THEY'RE TALKING, SOME OF THESE GOOD ONES ARE 50 OVER 50,000 HOURS.
UH, REPLACING A LIGHT THAT WAS PROBABLY 400 BLOCKS IN USE TO 60 LOTS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY EXCEPT THEY, LONGEVITY IS THE KEY.
BUT YOU GET IT BACK LONG TIME.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IS RIGHT HERE, THE FOOT LINES SO IT DOESN'T SPLASH OUT.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY WANTED.
SO I DON'T SEE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IT AND SEE IT LIT UP, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE OVER THERE READ IT.
NO, I, I AGREE WITH YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S DIRECT DOWN.
THE UM, OTHER REASON I HANDED OUT, I ACTUALLY HANDED OUT THE, YOU GUYS.
UM, I HAND OUT THE LWRP LAW BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE PROJECTS WITHIN THE LWRA BOUNDARY, SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE A COASTAL CONSISTENCY.
THE LAW TELLS YOU THAT THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY, DETERMINATION.
SO I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, AND I TOLD JOE, HE DOESN'T MAKE THAT HE LOOKS OVER THE FORM.
THEY CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THE FORM, ET CETERA.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION.
SO WE'RE MAKING, AND IF YOU GUYS NEED ANY, I CAN GET YOU LITERATURE ON WHAT THAT MEANS.
'CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE A COASTAL CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL, IS THERE THE ONE THAT WE JUST DID, RIGHT? WE JUST DID ONE.
OH NO, YEAH, WE JUST DID THE BREWERY.
DID WE NEED TO FORMALLY AS ONE OF OUR MOTIONS CLOSE? I BELIEVE THE MOTION INCLUDED THAT IT WAS HAD COASTAL CONSISTENCY FOR THE, OKAY.
WE JUST NEED TO, NOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WATERFRONT, SORRY, I'M SAYING THIS NOW WITH DOLLAR GENERAL AROUND HERE, BUT I'LL SAY IT ON THE RECORD, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DETERMINE, LIKE WITH A RESTAURANT, YOU, WHEN YOU'RE IN A WATERFRONT AREA, YOU'RE EITHER DOING A WATERFRONT DEPENDENT USE HAS TO BE PUT ON THE WATERFRONT OR WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE.
A RESTAURANT IS A WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE, WHICH DOES A LOT BETTER COME WITH ALLERGENS AND OTHER RETAIL FACILITIES.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT WATERFRONT DEPENDENT OR WATERFRONT ENHANCED.
SO YOU HAVE THAT FIRST BIG FERTILE, I MEAN THE ZONING ALLOWS THEM, BUT IN IT, IT'S HARD TO SAY, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING A USE THAT IS NOT WATERFRONT DEPENDENT OR WATERFRONT, UM, WATERFRONT ENHANCED.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG HURDLES.
AND IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CONSIDER IN LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS
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OF ON THE CO, ON THE WATERFRONT.SO GOING FORWARD, SHOULD WE HAVE TO, TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, TYPICALLY I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST YOU ACTUALLY GET YOUR APPROVAL.
SHOULD WE HAVE A SET SEPARATE MOTION THAT SAYS THAT WE'VE EVALUATED IT? AND MAYBE FOUR, I PROBABLY WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THAT.
I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND, IT'S GONNA BE HARD ONCE WE GET OUT OF PANDEMIC, BUT WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS IN THE WATER FUND AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW LWRP HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER, TAKES FOREVER TO GET 'EM APPROVED.
UM, THAT THE A MEMBER OF THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE COME TO YOUR MEETINGS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT COASTAL DECI WATERFRONT DECISION.
AND MATTER OF FACT, I'VE TOLD THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE DEPARTMENT OF STATE NOW GOES OUT AND DOES INSPECTIONS AND AUDITS OF THE TOWN'S FILES TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE REVIEWING AND, AND DOING STUFF IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR LWRP.
'CAUSE IT'S A STATE APPROVED DOCUMENT.
THE STATE HAS GIVEN YOU THE POWER TO APPROVE PROJECTS IN THE WATERFRONT.
AND BASICALLY BY GIVING THAT POWER, WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES AND WHATEVER.
SO IF WE WANNA TALK, I'LL GET YOU SOME DOCUMENTATION ON IT.
BUT WE SHOULD TAKE THIS MORE TO HEART.
I MEAN, WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, RESTAURANT.
BUT AGAIN, WATERFRONT AND ENHANCE, IT'S A GREAT LOOK AND WHATEVER WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE IMPACTS TO THE, THE WATERFRONT DRAINAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT CHECKLIST, BUT I THINK FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU AND THE MORE THESE PROJECTS COME IN THE WATERFRONT, WE'VE REALLY GOTTA TAKE UP.
SO THAT CERTIFICATE, WE'RE STILL EXPECTING THE, THE WRITEUP TO COME FROM YES.
THE LWRP AND THEN BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR OWN AND MORE FORMALLY, WE WILL, WE HAVE TO FORMALLY DO THAT.
LIKE THE, THE FORM IS ON THE RECORD FOR THE BREWERY AND YOUR MOTION IS ON THE RECORD.
SO IF WE GET AUDITED, IT'S IN THERE.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST DO A LITTLE BETTER.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COPY OF THE LAW AND JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
THE WATERFRONT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASSETS OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A FEDERAL NEXUS, THEN, SO IF FOR SOME REASON DOLLAR GENERAL WAS AFFECTING A WETLAND BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND THEY NEEDED SOMETHING FROM THE FEDERAL, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO GET AUTHORIZATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AS WELL AS US.
IF THERE'S OTHER REGULATORY APPROVALS NEEDED, THE STATE DOES NEED TO STEP IN.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE REGULATORY.
BUT ONLY WHEN IT'S JUST US, LIKE THE BREWERY, WE JUST NEED TO DO THE RIGHT BREWERY WAS FINE.
THEY WEREN'T TOUCHING ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED.
WE OKAY WITH THIS? UH, YES AND NO.
I GOT A QUESTION FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD.
UH, THE LIGHTING IS SET THERE AND THAT SHOWS WHAT THE LIGHT'S GONNA BE AT.
BUT WITH LEDS YOU'VE GOT COLOR AND COLOR IS ALL ACCORDING TO CALVIN.
IT'S ALL COMPARABLE TO A LIGHT BULB, WHICH IS WARM WHITE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT GIVES OFF DIFFERENT CHARACTERIZATIONS HERE.
UH, AND IT'S NOT LIGHT OUTPUT.
THEY DON'T, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF LUMENS, RIGHT.
THAT YOU IT'S JUST THE APPEARANCE.
IT'S JUST THE APPEARANCE AND COLOR.
AND WHAT'S BETTER FOR A SITUATION ALONG A DRIVEWAY LIKE THIS? WELL SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BOARD WOULD WANT.
IT'S GONNA BE A FAIRLY BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT.
YOU THINK SOFTER 3000 YELLOW IS GONNA BE REALLY A LOT LIKE A REAL SOFT WHITE.
BUT DOUG, LIKE YOU SAID THOUGH, IT COMES STRAIGHT DOWN.
BUT IT'S STILL, THOSE CHARACTERISTICS ARE STILL THE SAME.
SO WHAT COLOR ARE THEY? THE LIGHT OUTPUT IS STILL THE SAME.
IT'S STILL NOT GONNA GET ANY, IT'S JUST WHAT YOUR EYES GONNA PERCEIVE AS BEING A WHITE OR LIGHTER.
SO DOUG, IF YOU WERE TO PUT IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR SOMEBODY TO BE USING? WELL, AT MY AGE, I WANT AS MUCH
IT'S A PRETTY DARK AREA OVER THERE TOO.
AND I THINK YOUR EYES, THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WHY THEY WENT TO, THEY HAD UH, UH, MERCURY VAPOR LIGHT STREET LIGHTS.
AND THEY WENT TO UH, UH, UH, ACTUALLY SOME FLUORESCENCE.
AND SO, BUT THEY CHANGED THE COLOR AND THE HIGH PRESSURE SODIUMS GIVE OFF A REAL LOW AND IT'S ALMOST AN ORANGE LIGHT.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT GIVE OFF MORE LUMENS, YOUR EYE TO ME PERCEIVES IT AS AS LESS LIGHT.
I USED TO WORK WITH MERCURY VAPOR YEARS AGO.
YOU OB TAKING A LONG TIME TO ILLUMINATE TO THE FULL OH, AND THE COLOR CORRECT ON THESE, HOW LONG DOES THESE TAKE TO ILLUMINATE? JUST TURN THE LIGHT IN THE KITCHEN.
SAME DOUG, DO YOU FEEL LIKE 5,000 THEN IS ADEQUATE? IT'S, WELL, IT WOULD BE ADEQUATE.
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GO BY THERE.3000 MIGHT, 'CAUSE THIS IS A BUSINESS AND THEY, AND IT'S, YOU REALLY WANT LIGHT TO SEE, SO IF SOMEONE CAN'T, WE, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT STREETLIGHTS, UH, WITH THE TOWN AND YEAH.
TYPICALLY THEY, THE UNDERSTANDING IS 3000 IS WHAT YOU WANT ON AN LED STREET LIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, THEY GO TO 4,000 ON BUSIER STREETS AND MORE LIKE COUNTY ROADS AND MAJOR MORE MAJOR ROADS.
UH, THEY GET MORE OF THAT TRAFFIC.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT A 5,000 THAT GOES UP AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 5,000 ON THIS PROJECT.
SO 5,000 WOULD BE, WOULD BE QUITE THE, THE COLOR TEMPERATURE.
SO DOUG, DO WE MAYBE SAY 4,000 BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT, THIS THING ONLY COMES THREE OR FIVE.
SO DO WE WANT THEM TO DO THREE THEN BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL OVER THERE? OR DO WE WANT IT TO BE FIVE BECAUSE IT'S A EVENT.
LIKE I SAID THOUGH, DON'T RESIDENTIAL, DON'T COMPARE IT FOR OR NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME BRIGHTNESS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR AESTHETIC.
IT'S A SOFTER COLOR AESTHETIC.
IT'S MORE WHITE TO ALMOST MORE, I DON'T WANNA SAY YELLOW BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST THE WRONG WAY OF SAYING IT.
SO THEN MAYBE WE DO THE 3000 BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THE 5,000 IS NO, IT'S HARSHER, IT'S WHATEVER I FEEL.
BUT IN TECHNICAL TERMS IT, IF, IF IT'S ON RESIDENTIAL, THE LED LIGHTS THAT WE WERE GONNA PUT INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS ACROSS THE TOWN, 3000, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST ASK MAYBE CONSISTENT WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD IN THE TOWN.
ALL THE STREET LIGHTS AND RESIDENTIAL STREET LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE 3000.
THAT DECISION WAS ALREADY, YOU LIKE THE BILL WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE OVER, I MEAN THERE'S DISCUSSION OF, OF CHANGING WATTAGE DEPENDING ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, BUSIER AREAS AND STUFF.
BUT THE COLOR, LIGHT TEMPERATURE THAT DOUG IS TALKING ABOUT, 3000 IS WHAT THE TOWN WANTS ON TOWN STREETS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A STREET LIGHT RIGHT BEFORE THE ENTRANCE ON TAYLOR ROAD.
BUT THAT, THAT GOES TO THE ENTRANCE TO WILLOW WAS OR SO THEN PAST THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.
THAT 3000 LIGHTING PROBABLY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT COMING THAT KNOW, I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME.
IT WOULD LOOK THE IT LOOK IF WE DID THE 5,000 IT WOULD LOOK, IT WOULD LOOK SHARPER.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID IT MIGHT BE WHAT THEY COULD GET.
I MEAN WE DIDN'T SPECIFY ORIGINALLY SO I GUESS NO, I JUST BROUGHT IT UP.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE LIKE REORDER STUFF LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T KNOW.
THEY MIGHT, MANUFACTURERS CATCH IT BY THERE.
THEY'LL TELL YOU, OH YEAH, WE CAN GET IT BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR.
AND A LOT OF THE STUFF I'VE ORDERED CAM BUY, THEY'RE, WE'RE TALKING LIKE EIGHT, EIGHT MONTHS OR MORE FOR STUFF TO GET.
SO CAN WE TELL THE APPLICANT WE'RE FINE WITH THE LIGHTING STYLE? YEAH.
AND THAT WE WOULD PREFER WHAT DID WE COME TO? 5,000 OR THREE? SO SARAH, YOU HEARD THAT ON THE RECORD.
IS THAT STILL GOING? WE PREFER 3000.
AS LONG AS WE CAN CREATE A SIGNIFICANT DELAY IN INSTALLATION AND THEY DON'T AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
THANKS FOR YOUR, UM, INPUT, DOUG.
ALRIGHT, IS THAT IT FOR TODAY? WE JUST AJOUR THE MOTION BY MR. SHAW SECOND BY, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR, WHICHEVER NAME COMES OUTTA YOUR MOUTH.