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GOOD? START IT.OH WAIT, I GOT, LEMME TURN THE, UH, WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, UH, PLANNING BOARD WORK SESSION.
WE ARE ONLY HAVING A WORK SESSION THIS EVENING.
THERE IS NO REGULAR MEETING FOLLOWING THE WORK SESSION.
UM, BILL IS EXCUSED THIS EVENING, SO YOU GET ME INSTEAD.
UH, MR. MANKO, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA HAS REQUESTED TO REQUEST TO POSTPONE HE'LL, HE'S REEVALUATING SOME ITEMS RELATED TO THAT.
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? JUST YEP.
BECAUSE I WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO, YEAH.
UH, IN YOUR PACKETS YOU HAVE THE OVERALL LAYOUT, UH, FOR THIS OVERALL PROJECT AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE INTRODUCTION TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL EI FS THAT IS DONE.
THAT EXPLAINS WHAT PHASE FOUR IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, HOW MANY UNITS, ET CETERA, ET SO THEY'LL BE BACK.
I JUST DON'T WANNA, AND ARE WE ABLE TO, IF WE DRIVE OUT THERE ALONG THE EDGE OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE AND OUT TO PHASE THREE, WE CAN WALK THE SITE AND GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT? YEP.
SARAH, DO WE KNOW WHEN, UM, APPLICANT IS GOING TO ASK TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE WORK SESSION? I'M SORRY.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THE APPLICANT IS COMING BACK? NO, BECAUSE THEY JUST TOLD ME AT FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY THE
I I, I COMMENTED TO THEM TODAY THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ALLOWED IN PROPOSED IN PHASE FOUR IN 2000 THOUSAND NINE IS ABOUT ONE THIRD OR ONE HALF OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT HE WAS PROPOSING.
SO HE SAID HE WAS GONNA RECONFIGURE THE LAYOUT.
ONE MORE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
IS THIS THEIR NEWEST OR IS THIS THE NO, THAT'S FROM 2009.
I'M JUST GONNA MAKE NOTE OF THAT EVERYONE.
A LONG HISTORY, THE 35 YEAR HISTORY ADMISSION, LIKE, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, BUT WE WON'T.
UH, BUT THAT WAS THE NEW PLAN APPROVED IN 2009 TO ALLOW THEM TO FORWARD.
UM, THE AGENDA WAS SCHMIDT'S GARAGE.
IS ANYONE HERE FOR THAT PROJECT? NO, THEY'RE NOT.
DO THEY SUBMIT ANYTHING AHEAD OF THIS OTHER THAN WELL, YEAH, WE, WE, YEP.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE CLOSED GARAGE SITE AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO WIDEN THIS ONE, RIGHT? IT'S, UH, I, I CAN'T, I DIDN'T THEY THIS IS THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF LEGION AND, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THE EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT? THEY ARE.
SO THERE IS A LONG PROJECT WRONG, WRONG PROJECT.
UM, THEY NEED, THEY NEED VARIANCES.
'CAUSE THAT PROPERTY HAS ORDERED BY LEGION, NALU AND CAMP.
SO THEY HAVE LIKE THREE FRONT YARDS.
SO NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, THEY NEED VARIANCES.
SO THEY'RE GOING, UM, DECEMBER 7TH TO THE ZBA A.
BUT THEY DO HAVE TO COME HERE FIRST SO THAT YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND THEN OKAY.
SEND THEM, NOT YOU DON'T SEND THEM, BUT THEN THEY GO TO THE ZBA.
IT'S NOT IN THEIR SO ARE THEY GONNA COME BACK TO US? THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU WHENEVER YOU THINK.
SO WE ARE REFERRING THEM THAT THE PROJECT
THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.
FOR ACTUALLY NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
THEY'RE GOING TO THE ZBA ON THE NINTH OKAY.
OF NOVEMBER TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET THEIR VARIANCES.
AND ON THAT LOT, ALL THREE SIDES COUNT AS A FRONT YARD.
WELL, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE ZBA HAS TO BE HERE.
UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE, THIS IS THE GARAGE, THE FRONT YARD, THE FRONT YARD SET PACKAGE ON LEG AND ON CAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY NO, THEY NEED 40 FEET, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY NEED 40 FEET NO MATTER WHAT.
NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE LEGION AND CAMP IS A CORNER.
SO YOU HAVE LEGION DRIVES THE FRONT YARD, CAMP ROAD IS THE EXTERIOR SIDE YARD, WHICH PEOPLE TO THE FRONT YARD AND THEN THEY LIVE MAKES THIS PROPERTY A THROUGH LOT THEY CALL IT.
WHEREAS MELU IS THE REAR YARD.
BUT THAT ALSO HAS TO BE A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO YOU, THEY NEED 40 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY EXISTING REVENUE.
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NOTHING LEFT.SO THE, THE HARDSHIP IS BASICALLY THE EXISTING LOT.
ONCE YOU TAKE ALL THAT, WAS THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT THEY WERE IN THE WORK SESSION TODAY? YES.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT STARTS AT SEVEN EVEN THOUGH WE, I GUESS WE'LL SHOW UP AT SEVEN, BUT SOMETIMES IN, IN, I'M NOT LATELY, BUT WE HAVE, UM, TALKED ABOUT STUFF IN WORK SESSION WHERE THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE ZBA.
'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO EXCEPT YEAH.
'CAUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS LESS THAN 20 FEET FROM
AND GOING ANOTHER 20 FEET BACK, I MEAN THEY REALLY ARE LEFT WITH A SLIVER OF A PARCEL.
WHY IS THIS, WHY WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A TYPE TWO ACTION? IT'S A ADDITION OF LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE SEEKER CODE, SO THEY SUBMITTED A SHORT FORM AF BUT IT IS REALLY A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN, YOU'LL WANNA SEE WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR SIMPLE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE SITE PLAN REGULATIONS.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY DIRECTION.
OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT DOESN'T GO FORWARD UNLESS THEY GET A VARIANCE.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A TIGHT LOT WITH THE ROADS ON ALL SIDES OF IT.
I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE, YOU, YOU KNOW THE SITE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH LITTLE SITE.
SO IF HE GETS HIS UH, VARIANCE, THEN WE WILL BE DEALING WITH THE STANDARD SITE PLAN ISSUES.
I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN HE HAS AND IT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WELL I THINK AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND A C TWO.
WELL YEAH, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE THOSE.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SAID IN MY MEMO IS THAT YOU, YOU EITHER HAVE TO FIND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED AND AMEND THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
A LOT OF TIMES THESE OLDER DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN BEFORE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE.
SCHMIDT WENT IN THERE, BUT REMEMBER IT WAS SOMETHING RECENTLY BEFORE, IT WAS BEFORE SCHMIDT.
'CAUSE SCHMITZ WAS DOWN NEXT TO MR. TIRE AND THEY MOVED TO THE CORNER LOT.
SO IF WE'VE ISSUED ESPECIALLY MONROE MUFFLER OR SOMETHING.
IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER THIS ONE.
UM, WELL IT MAY NOT HAVE COME IN FRONT OF THIS COURT SHOULD, IT MAY HAVE BEEN A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
RIGHT? WELL, IF IT WAS BECAUSE MONROE WOULD'VE ALSO BEEN POWER REPAIR.
SO, UM, THEY MAY NOT, I I BET YOUR COURT DECIDED THEY DIDN'T NEED US.
BUT WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT.
PIN 10 FOR NEW TOWN BOARD MEMBER.
I'VE BEEN BUGGING THE TOWN FOR YEARS.
A GREAT TOOL IS EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE TOWN THAT HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN JUST ON THE ZONING MAP HAVE A LITTLE STAR ON IT.
SO YOU CAN REFER AND FIND OUT THAT THEY, AND REFER TO THE FILE.
SO A LOT OF OTHER TOWNS DO THAT WHERE YOU CAN NOTE ON A ZONING MAP, SIMPLE LITTLE LAYERED AD OR GIS PEOPLE CAN ADD IT AND BASICALLY SAY IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THAT WAY WE KNOW IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT, THAT PRO PROPERTY HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON IT AND YOU CAN REVIEW IT.
NOW, POOR SARAH'S GOTTA GO THROUGH ALL THE FILES AND TRY TO FIND OUT IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS EVER ISSUED ON THIS PIECE OF FERENCE.
YEAH, SOME
SARAH, IS THIS ON THE AGENDA TO COME BACK THEN IN ON THE 16TH OR THE 17TH? OH, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I THINK WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA IF THEY GET THEIR VARIANCES.
WELL THE PROBLEM IS I HAVE TO THE AGENDA TOMORROW.
YOU NOT JUST SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHY DON'T WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? 'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHAT YOU FIND FROM THE FILE IF WE NEED TO DO THIS SPECIAL APPOINT.
AND JUST SARAH'S EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, IT COSTS THE TOWN A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE WASTING A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
SO
AND THEN I, I'M ASSUMING THAT TRAFFIC SAFETY FOLKS WILL WANNA WEIGH IN ON THEIR, IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR DRIVEWAY CUTS THROUGH AND THEY CAN GET IN OFF MELU AND OFF REGION.
I THINK MAY LOU WAS BEING CLOSED OFF BECAUSE THEY GOT THE TWO OR THEY HAD THE TWO ENT.
TAMMY SAYS THERE APPEARS TO BE AN ASPHALT DRIVEWAY OFF MAY.
DID UH, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD GET A COPY OF THE PLAN? IS IT IN THERE SARAH? HMM? DID THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD GET A COPY OF THE PLAN? UH, SCHMIDT I CAN GET IT.
I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO TRAFFIC SAFETY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ADDING OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON SCHMITZ? SO WE WON'T CALL PUBLIC HEARING YET.
THEY'LL SEE IF THEY GET A VARIANCE AND WE'LL JUST HAVE 'EM ON THE AGENDA.
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SHOW UP AND NOT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND WE'LL JUST TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE ZBA ISS DOING, THEN WE CAN ASK FOR THINGS LIKE THE MARKUP MIGHT WANNA MENTION TO 'EM SARAH.
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'CAUSE WE ARE GONNA BE ASKING THAT IF THEY CAN HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE BUILDING ADDITION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE OF SOMETHING RENDER RENDERING.AND THEN THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, OTHER SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
THAT IS SOMETHING IF I COULD INTERRUPT, UH, THAT THE VILLAGE AND THE TOWN ARE, ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS INSTALLED THERE.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO GET THE SPEED LIMIT REDUCED IN THAT AREA.
YOU HAVE A SCHOOL JUST DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE ALL THIS RIGHT THERE.
THEN WHEN THE TOWN HITS IT 35 AGAIN.
AND ON LEGION, THERE'S SIDEWALKS UP UNTIL THE END OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS AROUND CAMP, SO YEAH.
THE SIDEWALK START AGAIN BY NOT MAYBE ON REGION, MAYBE THE CONSUMERS IS RIGHT THERE.
SO DO YOU WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON SIDEWALKS? YOU GUYS HAVE TO WAVE AND MODIFY WHERE YOU PUT IN SIDEWALKS? I GUESS WE WOULD BE INTERESTED WITH A SIDEWALK AND THEN AESTHETICS, WHAT THE BUILDING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT'S GONNA MATCH.
AND LANDSCAPING IF THEY HAVE ANY PROPOSED A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND I GUESS EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
AND WE HAVE TO RESEARCH WHETHER THIS OKAY.
SO EXTERIOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, RENDERING.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS US TO ASK THEM FOR? IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY TO ASK.
I DUNNO IF THEY RECEIVED THE APPROVAL FOR THE CB.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUFFALO.
SOLARS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THAT PROJECT.
YOU WANNA COME UP AND INTRODUCE US TO YOUR PROJECT AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW? SURE.
OVERALL I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE KELLY WILSON AND RICHARD RICE.
WE ALL COLLECTIVELY REPRESENT THE, WELL.
BUFFALO SOLAR IS THE CONTRACTOR.
THE APPLICANT ITSELF IS, UH, E TWO I VENTURES, LLC.
AND UH, I THINK EVERYONE HAS A YES.
LOOKS LIKE YOUR TOWN COUNCIL IS HANDING OUT THE, UH, PLAN SETS TO EVERYONE.
WHO'S THE NAME OF THE APPLICANT ON THERE THEN? IS IT BUFFALO SOLAR OR IS IT YEAH, THAT'S THE A THE OTHER ONE.
MR. MO? NO, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE IF IT WAS THIS E TWO I WAS BUFFALO SOLAR.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE THE APPLICANT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT? YES.
UM, I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO A, UH, A RESIDENTIAL, UH, TIER TWO.
RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT, UH, I, I HAVE, I HEARD ABOUT THE GRAPEVINE,
SO THIS IS A REMOTE CREDITED PROJECT, UM, THAT WOULD SEEK TO OFFSET AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN DERBY.
UM, WHAT EACH, WHAT, UH, OUR CLIENT BASICALLY DOES IS THEY TAKE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT AREN'T REALLY DOING THAT WELL AND THEY SORT OF REVIVE THEM, UM, KIND OF ADD SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY AND THEN, UM, SOLARIZED THEM BY BASICALLY BRINGING GREEN ENERGY TO APARTMENT COMPLEX RESIDENTS WHO COULD NOT OTHERWISE ACCESS IT.
SO THEY BASICALLY IMPROVE PROPERTIES, UM, AND SEEK TO INSTALL SOLAR PROJECTS OFFSITE THAT CAN BE USED TO OFFSET THE CONSUMPTION AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND MOST OF THESE APARTMENTS, UM, OFTENTIMES HOUSE, UH, LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, UM, RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S, UH, KIND OF ALTRUISTIC IN, IN CERTAIN, IN A CERTAIN SENSE.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU, THE THE, THE PARCEL IS HEAVILY FORESTED, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TREE CLEARING AND WE'VE KIND OF CALLED THAT OUT.
AND, UM, I DO HAVE TO THANK THE, UH, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, A FEW DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE, THE CHECKLIST THAT WE HAD AND, UH, AND THE CHECKLIST THAT THE, UH, TOWN ATTORNEY PROVIDED US WITH PLANNER, TOWN PLANNER.
TOWN PLANNER, UH, TOWN PLANNER PROVIDED US WITH.
THIS IS VERY, UH, THIS IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
UM, AND I, BASED ON MY BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH KELLY, I THINK THESE ARE THE FEW, I GUESS YOU CAN CALL THEM IN INADEQUATE INADEQUACIES CAN BE EASILY SUPPLEMENTED, UM, PRETTY QUICKLY MM-HMM
AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T SEND THIS OUT AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD CAN SAY LIKE, A LOT OF THESE PLACES WE
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SAY IT'S NOT APPLICABLE OR WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION.I DIDN'T WANT YOU RUNNING AROUND GETTING INFORMATION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T NEED.
REMEMBER, TIER THREE PROJECT CAN BE A HUNDRED ACRE FIVE, YOU KNOW, BIG PROJECT.
SO IT, IT HAS SOME THINGS THAT MAY NOT NEED ALL OF THE THINGS IN HERE, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS ARE GONNA BE NEEDED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING GONNA DO IS DIRECT YOU AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGS MAYBE WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE IMPACTS YOU SUBMITTED AN A
I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GET THE LONG FORM.
IT'S NOT A TYPE ONE ACTION UNDER SEEKER, THE LAW IS WRITTEN THAT YOU NEED AN FBAF BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WERE ASSUMING WERE GONNA BE LARGE SCALE PROJECT UNDER THE SEEKER LAW.
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS UN ACTION.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD BE LEAD AGENCY OR DOING IT AND ASK FOR A FOUR, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH YOUR REDUCED, YOU CAN ASK FOR A FOUR.
SO THE, THE FENCED IN AREA, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE FENCED IN AREA IS UNDER AN ACRE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PREPARED THE SHORT FORM.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD TO ASK FOR A LONGER FORM AND WE CAN CERTAINLY FILL ONE OUT.
BUT JUST SO, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE FENCED IN AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE FRONT PAGE IS ABOUT LIKE 0.95 ACRES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SUBMITTED THE SHORT.
WE'RE SAYING ON THAT ISSUE OF, AND AGAIN, SARAH JUST TOLD ME CAMMY'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, UM, CAMMY WAS CONCERNED THAT YOU HAVE DISTURBANCES OF OVER AN AC THAT WILL REQUIRE A SWIFT FULL SWIFT, I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE OR 20 ACRES OR WHATEVER HAVING REQUIRE A SWITCH BECAUSE USUALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES UNDER ONE ACRE.
SO I CAN'T SEE THE SITE HAVING, BECAUSE THE SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT CONSIDERED IMPIOUS SURFACE DEPENDS UPON WHAT YOU DO UNDERNEATH THOSE PANELS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF YOUR ACCESS ROADS TYPICALLY ACCESS ROADS.
DEC HAS A VERY GOOD APPROVED, UM, ACCESS ROAD THAT A IS CONSIDERED PERVIOUS SURFACE AND B WILL SUPPORT ANY EMERGENCY EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE, I FORGET WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING FOR YOUR DRIVEWAYS, YOU WANNA KEEP THOSE IN
YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA REACH THE CRITERIA, ONE ACRE OF DISTURBANCE WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING A STORMWATER ON AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NO, PLEASE WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE BELOW THAT LIMIT.
YOU WILL NEED YOUR SWIFT FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL DURINGS DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A FULL BLOWN WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING STORMWATER CONTROL FEATURES UP.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST PLEASED COORDINATE THAT WITH CAMMI AND CONSIDER, I FORGET WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY, BUT I WOULD MAKE THOSE OUS SURFACES BECAUSE THE PANELS ARE CONSIDERED, UH, ARE NOT CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
AND AS LONG AS YOU PLANT THE CORRECT THINGS UNDERNEATH, THEN IT WON'T BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SERVICE.
AND WE SAW THAT COMMENT IN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT AND WE WERE GONNA, BUT I JUST YOU MENTIONED THE ONE ACRE THING.
I MEAN I'VE HAD 40, 50 ACRE SOLAR PROJECTS THAT DON'T REACH THE ACRE.
ONE ACRE OF THE, OF, OF, OF IMP WELL, NOT IN PER WELL THERE'S THE ONE ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE ACRE OF GROUND DISTURBANCES.
A SMALLER OF GROUND DISTURBANCE.
AND THERE HAVE TO BE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLANT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT, YOU WON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SURE.
DREW, WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING OF THAT? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL, ALRIGHT.
AND WHAT IS THE NEAR STRUCTURE THERE? A RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO THEY, IT THEY, A GOOD ONE OF THE SHEETS THERE SHEET IS, SHOWS YOU WHERE THE PROJECT IS AND GIVES YOU ESTIMATED DISTANCES TO THE NEAREST ADJO.
USES, I DUNNO, IT'S TWO, THREE PAGES BACK.
IT'S, IT'S SHOWN ON THE FIRST PAGE AND THEN IT'S ALSO SHOWN AGAIN ON THE SECOND.
HAS THE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS PROJECT AT ALL, OR? UM, I DON'T THINK NOT AT THE, SINCE THIS IS AN INITIAL REVIEW.
NO NOTIFICATIONS AT THIS POINT, WHETHER YOU'VE DONE THAT.
SO I GUESS I WOULD KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE IN TERMS OF DEFENSE LINE YES.
AND WHAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING IS THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING AS THE AREA OF TREE CLEARING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO IDENTIFY IS, IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE AREA OF TREE CLEARING BASED ON, I'M LOOKING AT SHEET THREE, THE THIRD SHEET, A 1 0 3, RIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING IS THE, THE GREEN LINE I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE THE THREE LINES REMAIN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL SETBACK, I'M ASSUMING TO PREVENT SHADING ONTO THE SYSTEM.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME IF WE COULD GET A, THE FULL EAF AND THEN COULD GET A BREAKDOWN OF, OKAY, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GONNA GET,
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HOW MUCH TREE CLEARING IS GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IS GONNA WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT.YOU WERE LEAVING SUFFICIENT SCREENING IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT UP.
SO A LANDSCAPING PLAN OR SOME SORT OF JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY YOU WOULDN'T NEED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY LANDSCAPING PLANT, YOU MEAN IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING NATURAL SCREENING OR BECAUSE WE HAVE NATURAL SCREENING, WE DON'T NEED ONE.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT PRO PROBABLY LOOKING AT THIS, THIS LAYOUT IS THAT THE SITE'S GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH SCREENED FROM YES.
EXCEPT AT THE ENTRANCE ROAD OR THE ENTRANCE AREA.
YOU MAY, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T PUT TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ENTRANCE ROAD, BUT I THINK YOU WERE PROPOSING SOME PLANNINGS AROUND YOUR SMALL STRUCTURE OUT FRONT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S REALLY THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO THIS BOARD, THE LAW REQUIRES YOUR SCREEN FROM SURROUNDING USES.
JUST LOOKING AT THIS, I'M THINKING IT'S NOT GONNA BE SEEN, BUT IF YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME, WHETHER THAT'S JUST TO SHOW THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SCREENED, THE LAW REQUIRES IT TO BE SCREENED FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SCREENING ANYTHING.
AND THEN WE MAY WANNA, OTHER THING WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UM, INSTALLATION IS THAT WE'RE USING A SGA WRECKING METHOD FOR THE PANELS AND THE SGA WRECKING METHOD IS, IT'S ABOUT 24 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
SO THE PANELS ARE NOT GONNA BE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF A TYPICAL INSTALLATION YOU MIGHT SEE FROM THE ROAD.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE MAX HEIGHT OF THE PANEL IS GONNA BE 24 INCHES.
THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE PANELS IS ONLY RIGHT.
IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A DIFFERENT RACKING.
IT'S NOT THE, THE FOUR FOOT TALL ONES TILT THE SO THEY'RE A FIXED YES.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING, WE'RE NOT POUNDING POSTS FOR THIS INSTALLATION.
WE'RE BASICALLY SETTING THESE ON TO THE GROUND, BALLASTING THEM.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT PENETRATING WHAT, WHAT IS PLANTED UNDERNEATH.
ARE THEY ON, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ON LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE GROUND.
SO I THINK JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY.
SO I THINK LIKE MOST, MOST, MOST, MOST SOLAR PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL DRIVE PAST AND SEE THEY'RE, YOU, YOU HAVE I-BEAMS DRILLED INTO THE GROUND EIGHT FEET DEEP.
AND THEN THEY'RE SITTING ALMOST AT ABOUT A 25 DEGREE ANGLE.
BUT THE BASE OF THOSE PANELS ARE ABOUT FOUR FEET OFF THE GROUND.
WITH THIS RACKING, IT'S BASICALLY SITTING ON LIKE A BLACK PLASTIC STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S ABOUT TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE STANDARD HEIGHT THAT YOU WOULD YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE.
ARE THEY LIKE BEVELED OR ARE THEY FLAT? OH, THEY NO DATA SHEET ON THE BACK.
YEAH, THEY, THEY, WELL THEY'RE STILL AT AN ANGLE.
SO I'M TRYING TO PICTURE THIS ON THIS RACK.
SO THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN TAMMY'S CONCERN ABOUT YEAH.
AND THE LAST, SO, AND MEET WHO'S THE TOWN ENGINEER.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS IS THESE ARE ONLY LIKE 24 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR ROW SPACING IS, BUT THE CONCERN IS THAT THE VEGETATION IS NOT GONNA SURVIVE UNDER THEM WHATEVER YOU PLANT, WHICH MEANS THE GROUND MAY OR MAY NOT BE WELL STABILIZED, KIM BE THE ENGINEER.
AND THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL CONCERNS WITH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISTURBANCE AND MAYBE WEIGH DIFFERENTLY UNDER THE STORMWATER YOU MAY NEED A STORMWATER PROBLEM.
AND I GUESS, UM, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE ROW SPACING IS ON THESE? UM, SO I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS YOU WOULD NEED TO GET SOME BUY-IN FROM THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PERSONNEL BECAUSE TYPICALLY THINGS ARE, I GUESS WE WOULD WANNA KNOW IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, IF SOMEBODY HAD TO GET BACK IN THERE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT THEY WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH THAT IN TERMS OF ACCESS, RIGHT SARAH? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S FOR THEM TO TELL US RATHER THAN US TO SPECIFY.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME SORT OF BUY-IN AND WEIGH IT FROM FIRE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CALLING FOR BLACK ROAD MILLINGS AROUND THE SIDE AND IF THESE PANELS AND GOTTA, BUT THESE PANELS ARE THAT CLOSE TO THE GROUND, YOU HAVE ALL THAT BLACK BUILDING ON, YOU'RE GONNA RUN A RUNOFF OFF THIS PLACE.
SO JUST JUST FOR CLARITY, ARE WE TO PRESUME THAT THE COMMENT LETTER THAT THE ENGINEER ISSUED WAS, WAS CORRECT? FULLY INFORMED THAT, OKAY.
SOUNDS LIKE SHE PICKED THAT UP.
THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU'RE HAVE MORE THAN ONE ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, YOU HAVE TO DO A FULL SWIFT, WHICH INCLUDES STORMWATER CONTROL, QUANTITY AND QUALITY AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T SEE THOSE ON SOLAR PROJECTS.
BUT IF THE WAY YOU'RE DESCRIBING YOUR INSTALLATION, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE THESE OTHER PLACES IN NEW YORK STATE, THAT'S A STANDARD NEW YORK STATE CODE.
IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN A ONE ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, YOU'RE DOING A FULL SWIFT, YOU'RE DOING STORM
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WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY AND YOU, AND YOU KNOW, AND THE ENGINEER MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT THEY DRIVE RATHER, RATHER WE USE STONE AND THE STONE WOULD ALL BE OUS.WELL I
BUT IF YOU ONLY HAVE 12 INCH ROW SPACING AND IT'S IN AN ANGLE DEPENDING ON YOUR RACKING STRUCTURE, I MEAN, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT ONE OF THESE THAT WE CAN GO AND LOOK AT ONE THAT'S ALREADY BUILT AND
I DIDN'T, THIS IS AN INTERESTING SYSTEM.
THE NEAR SUPPOSED TO DECOMMISSION BECAUSE FOR THESE PANELS TO BE DECOMMISSIONED, YOU JUST PICK THEM RIGHT OFF AND YOU TAKE THEM OFF.
UH, I THINK, I THINK THE CONCERN IS THOUGH, THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM CONSTRUCTING THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EASIER TO GO IN AND OUT, BUT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S NOTED ON YOUR DRAWINGS, I GUESS IT ALSO WEIGHS INTO THIS, IS YOU'VE NOTED THAT THERE'S SOME WETLANDS AND SOME RIVERING THINGS.
WAS THAT JUST NOTED IN THE CIVIL SURVEY BECAUSE PIECES WERE NOTED.
WE GONNA NEED A WETLAND, I WOULD THINK ON THIS.
WELL AT LEAST IT'S LIKE WALK OVER THAT NATIVE OLD.
WELL, I MEAN THEY, THERE'S, THEY'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED RIVERING FEATURES AND SENT TO WETLANDS.
SO I IN MY MIND THAT THAT'LL BE MORE DETAILED BASED ON THE FULL EAF.
WILL THAT BE SUFFICIENT TO START? UH, I MEAN WE'LL NEED THAT TO WEIGH INTO THE EAF PROCESS BECAUSE FULL EAF IS NOT GONNA PROVIDE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION.
YOU'VE ALREADY NOTED THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE POTENTIAL WEAPONS ON THE PROPERTY AND WHATEVER.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT'S A THOUSAND A DAY FINE THAT WETLANDS.
SO I WOULD TRY TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S WET IN THOSE RIVER, RIVER AREAS BECAUSE AGAIN, NORMAL SOLAR VALVES THAT ARE SET UP ON RACKING SYSTEM ABOVE THE GROUND, THESE ARMY CORPS MAY NOT CONSIDER THAT AN IMPACT TO A WEAPON IN BUILDING.
BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED AN IMPACT.
SO IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO FIND OUT WHETHER THOSE AREAS ARE FEDERAL WEAPONS OR NOT STATE WEAPONS.
YOU WERE TALKING FEDERAL WEAPONS.
YEAH, SO I THINK THE THING IS IS THAT THE, THE INSTALLATION OF A POST OR FILE IS NOT REGULATED BY THE BUFFALO DISTRICT AS A BILL.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY OTHER DISTURBANCE, IF YOU ARE DOING MECHANIZED TREE CLEARING AND THERE'S A FEDERAL WETLAND, YOU WOULD NEED A A PERMIT FOR THAT.
BUT WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT SO WE CAN ASSESS THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THAT UNDER SECRET.
MY ADVICE IS TALK TO A WETLANDS CONSULTANT.
I MEAN JUST TALK IT OVER WITH THEM HAVING A LOOK AT THE SITE, SEE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE.
IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU MAY WANNA DO A DELINEATION.
ALSO GET INPUT FROM THEM ON HOW ARMY CORPS WOULD WITH THE POTENTIAL IF YOU DO HAVE POTENTIAL IMPACT WITH WEAPONS.
BECAUSE THIS IS A UNIQUE SYSTEM.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE ARMY COURT IS GONNA REACT TO IF THERE ARE WEAPONS ON THE SITE.
WELL, I MEAN I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THE SCREENER HAS SHOWN THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM.
IN ORDER FOR US TO ASSESS IMPACTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DOCUMENT TO US THAT THERE AREN'T ANY THERE THAT YOU'RE AFFECTING FOR OUR SEEKER ANALYSIS.
SO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHILE WE DON'T REGULATE WETLANDS IN THE TOWN, WE DO STATE IN THE ZONING CODE THAT THE PREFERENCE IS THAT THEY'D BE AVOIDED.
THE QUESTION ASKED AND UH, BY THE GENTLEMAN BACK HERE IS THAT I THINK AT FIRST TO HELP US WITH OUR DECISION, A SIMPLE WALK OVER A LETTER FROM A WETLANDS CONSULTANT CONFIRMING PRESENT ARE NOT PRESENT.
THAT WETLANDS CONSULTANT SIGNED VIA WETLANDS CONSULTANT BE ENOUGH FOR ME.
IF HE SAYS IT'S WETLANDS, THEN WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD ASK FOR A FULL DELINEATION.
SO WOULD THE COURT, UM, AND ALSO THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM A WETLANDS CONSULTANT ON HOW THEY WOULD TREAT A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, I, I WANNA KNOW FROM THE CORE, I KNOW REGULAR INSTALLATIONS HOW THEY TREAT IT.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN GET A, IF YOU'RE SERVING LESS THAN AN ACRE OR WHAT IS IT, A QUARTER ACRE NOW FALLS UNDER STILL AROUND AN ACRE OUTSIDE BY EXPERTISE.
I MEAN THE CHALLENGES IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOTING ON THESE SITE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE WETLANDS.
WHAT'S THAT? AND, AND JUST SO WE, ACCORDING TO WETLANDS, WELL IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A CREEK GARNER ON, THERE'S, THERE'S WETLANDS.
I MEAN ALL CREEK GARNERS THAT CONNECT, I MEAN ARE ARE, ARE GONNA BE CONSIDERED WETLANDS.
AND JUST, AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WETLANDS IN PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE PANELS ARE GONNA BE ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THIS IS SUCH A SMALL SITE THAT YOU SHOULD TALK TO SOMEBODY.
IT MAY COST YOU THE SAME FOR SOMEBODY ABOUT THERE TO DO THE WALK OVER VERSUS AND AS WELL.
BUT HOW BIG IS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY? OH, THE, THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE, YEAH, IT'S ON THE THING.
SO YOU'RE DEVELOPING 0.932 ACRES THAT'S WITHIN THE FENCE SLIDE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, ARE WE JUST SAYING LIKE WE CALLED OUT THAT THERE, THERE WETLANDS ON THE ENTIRE PARCEL, NOT NECESSARILY THE PARTS.
WELL THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, RIGHT? ARE THERE ANY IN THIS AREA WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING THE SYSTEM, OBVIOUSLY THE WEAPONS ARE ON THE FAR END OF THE SITE THAT AREN'T BEING IMPACTED.
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THIS AREA WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING THIS WHOLE AREA THAT YOU'RE BUILDING WEAPONS IN THAT AREA.WELL I WOULD, WE'RE PUTTING STUFF IT'S THE AREA YOU'RE CLEARING AS WELL.
SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE ANY AREA, RIGHT? SO THEN I WOULD'VE THE SAME QUESTION THAT RICHIE HAD, IF WOULD A LETTER SUFFICE FROM A WETLANDS CONSULTANT SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH WETLANDS ARE PRESENT, NONE OF THE, THEY'RE NOT IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD ASSURE YOU AND HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WETLANDS WHETHER YOU NEED A WETLAND DELINEATION OR NOT.
THAT'S UP TO THE WETLAND CONSULTANT IN THE ARMY CORPS.
WE COULD SUBMIT THAT LETTER ON.
WELL, I DON'T, WELL I GUESS, I MEAN YOU DON'T NEED A DELINEATION ALL THE TIME.
I REALIZE WE DON'T NEED A DELINEATION ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S A CONCERN.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A WELL WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT, THAT THE, THE PROXIMITY TO WETLANDS, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHARACTERIZE THAT AS A CONCERN.
AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY.
WHAT, LIKE WE, WE NEVER BUILD O ON WETLANDS, HOWEVER, IT'S OFTEN THAT WE'RE BUILDING CLOSE TO WETLANDS AND WE TRY TO STAY WITHIN THE REQUIRED OR BEYOND THE REQUIRED DISTANCE AWAY FROM THEM.
AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T.
WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATELY CHARACTERIZE THAT TO COMPLY WITH THE SECRET RULES.
AND, AND WE'RE WE'RE, BUT THEY, RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND THAT IT'S BEEN APPROPRIATELY WHERE IS THE NEAREST FACILITY LIKE THIS? I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT CLOSED, BUT WHERE? OH, I DIDN'T SAY IT'S NOT CLOSED.
SO WE HAVE TO, WE, I'D HAVE TO DO SOME, SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
'CAUSE THE CELL RACKING IS SOMEWHAT NOVEL PA JUST SO WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
OUR ADVICE RIGHT NOW IS TALK TO A WETLANDS CONSULTANT, A PROFESSIONAL, SUBMIT A LETTER TELLING US WHERE AND IF THERE ARE WETLANDS ON THE SITE AND, AND THERE
IF IF THEY SAY, OH, THEY'RE OFF TO THE SITE, THEN WE'LL MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT.
WHAT WE NEED, IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE MAPPER.
WE KNOW THERE'S WETLANDS IN THE AREA, WE KNOW THERE'S STREAMS AND WAYS WITHIN THERE, THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S SOME WEAPONS.
I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE SOIL LIST, THE SOILS OR MAYBE SOME HYDRO POTENTIAL HYDRO SOIL.
WELL THERE'S, IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW AND GET BACK TO US AT LEAST WITH WHERE THE NEAREST ONE IS SO WE CAN GET A BETTER SENSE OF VISUALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT THE, THE FEASIBILITY IS OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IF YOU EVER HAVE TO REMOVE IT OR WHAT ITS LONG TERM COMPOSITION IS AND HOW THAT IS ALL GONNA PLAY INTO THE AREA.
SINCE THIS IS A NEWER TECHNOLOGY.
LIKE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS WAS AN EASY ONE.
I TYPICALLY DEAL WITH PEOPLE TELLING TO SAY, WELL I HOPE THERE'S A MAP.
THERE ARE NO WET ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL THE MAPPER, THERE'S ONLY 10% OF FEDERAL WEAPONS OF MAP.
I MEAN THEY, IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER INDICATORS, THIS ONE HAS A STRONG INDICATOR.
SO THE MAPPING SYSTEM WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, CALLS OUT WHERE THE WETLAND IS LOCATED TOO.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY MAP WETLAND.
VERY FEW FEDERAL WETLANDS ARE MAPPED.
THERE'S WELL, NO, SO THE, SO THE NWI WETLANDS ARE JUST A ROUGH GUIDE.
THEY'RE BASED ON AERIAL MAPPING.
THEY'RE LETTING YOU KNOW, AN INDICATION THAT IS NOT THE BOUNDARY, THAT IS JUST A SPECULATION BASED ON THE DEC MAPPED WETLANDS AND DEC REGULATING ONES.
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GO IN AND FIGURE OUT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE MAPPED ON THE MAP, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACTUALLY EXIST AND IF THEY'RE THERE SOUNDS GOOD.
AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, AND IT'S A SIMPLE THING, IF A PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED IN THE TOWN, THE PROPERTY HAS SOME ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT'S TYPICALLY A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT UNDEVELOPED IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ISSUE.
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE THAT THERE'S NO SEWER DOWN THERE AND WHATEVER.
AND YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR PROJECT DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE THE NEED FOR SEWER.
BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE WETLANDS ISSUE.
I ALSO, WAS IT NOTED ON THE A F THAT THERE WAS A REMEDIATION SITE? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
OR NEARBY OR WHATEVER THE, UH, MAP SHOWED A REMEDIATION.
THOSE TWO THINGS CAME UP ON THE FORM.
WHAT IS THIS? YEAH, I, ON SHEET A TWO.
WHAT IS THE 1, 1 1 5 FOR SMALLER SQUARE BOXES INDICATE TO INDICATE WHAT IT'S, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? UM, SIR, I SHE YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL A ONE TWO.
THERE'S FOUR, FIVE SMALL BOXES.
RIGHT BY WHERE THE ACCESS DATE.
SO YOU HAVE CENTRALIZED INVERTERS? I, I, YES.
THERE WAS JUST NO KEY INDICATING WHAT THEY, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHERE THE INVERTERS ARE AND THE DISTANCE TO THE HOMES, BECAUSE INVERTERS GONNA BE ANYWHERE IN THE 65 TO 70 DECIBEL RANGE.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT REACHES ANY, ANY, SO THERE'S ALSO NOT A,
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THESE AN ACCESS ROAD? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A STONE ACCESS ROAD.SO BASICALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE THAT'S CALLED OUT RIGHT OFF THE LIST.
SO ON THAT SAME PAGE THEN, WHAT IS THE TR AND THE, UM, BOTH REFERRING TO WHICH THOSE ARE NOT LABELED OUT RIGHT BY THE ROAD.
YOU SAID TR THERE'S A TR AND THEN THERE'S AN M, IT'S TWO SQUARES WITH THE RECTANGLE SANDWICH END OF THEM RIGHT BY THE REVENUE METER AND AC GENERATOR DISCONNECT.
IT'S ENLARGED ON PAGE 1 0 3, THAT'S ON PAGE A 1 0 3.
YEAH, I SEE THAT NOW THAT, SO THAT'S THE, YEAH.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE OF THOSE TO THE ROAD? LEMME KNOW IF CUT BACK.
BASICALLY THE, LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET THE EXACT DISTANCE.
BASICALLY, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST, YOU SEE THOSE POWER POLES, YOU SEE THE LITTLE YELLOW THING GOING DOWN THE UNDERGROUND, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY CLOSE.
AND HOW FAR IS THIS FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OFFSETTING OR IS THAT, UH, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS IN NO, NO, NO.
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS IN DERBY.
SO RUSSELL RUSSELL, WHAT KIND OF A STORAGE FACILITY ARE YOU USING IN STORAGE? NONE FOR EQUIPMENT.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT BATTERY STORAGE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT AND WHEN THE PROJECT DONE, WHERE ARE YOU STORING THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT? ANYTHING YOU NEED.
SO THE, THAT'S KIND OF CALLED OUT ON PAGE 1 0 2, RIGHT? THERE'S THERE'S GONNA BE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BASICALLY BE LOOKED AT AS A BEHIND THE METER PROJECT, BUT, UM, THERE'LL ONLY BE LIKE BASE, BASE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
THAT STRUCTURE GOING EIGHT BY YEAH.
WHERE'S THE STRUCTURE? I THINK THAT'S THIS NOT UTILITY BUILDING THIS AT THE YES.
GET YOUR MAGNIFYING GLASS MASK.
THEY'RE STARTING TO SAVE THE BATTERIES.
THERE'S NO ENERGY STORAGE AT ALL.
THERE'S NO ENERGY STORES AT ALL SOMEPLACE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST SEEN.
UM, WELL BEST CALLED OUT ON, UH, 1 0 3.
AGAIN IT SAYS PAD MOUNTED UTILITY BUILDING.
SO, SO DREW, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
WE WINDMILLS LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
WHEN WE HAVE WINDMILLS FAR LOSS, THEY USUALLY HAVE A BOND WITH IT OR REMOVAL.
SOLAR PROJECTS DON'T HAVE THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
AM I CORRECT? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE CHECKLIST REAL QUICK.
THAT REQUIRES A DECOMMISSIONING BOND.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO DO AN ESTIMATE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EASY TO DECOMMISSION THEIR, UH, THEIR UNITS.
UM, BUT JUST TO GO OVER IT BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THE SITE'S IMPORTANT.
SO RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OFF THE ROAD WHERE THE NEW POLE IS GOING IN, THEN YOU HAVE THE REVENUE METER AND THE AC UH, GENERATOR DISCONNECT.
ARE THOSE UNDERGROUND OR ARE THEY A STRUCTURE THEY POLE MOUNTED? WELL, THE METER IS CERTAINLY, I MEAN IT WOULDN'T BE UNDERGROUND BUT RIGHT.
UM, THE METER IS IS ON WHAT? IT'S ON, UH, IT'S, IT'S MOUNTED ON WHAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
IS THAT MOUNTED ON SOMETHING? OR HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
SO I, I GUESS WE WOULD WANT SOME, SOME TYPICAL AND DETAIL SHEETS FOR THE METER AND FOR THE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE MOSTLY ON THE SIZE WHEN YOU PULL UP HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW POLE HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THESE THINGS ARE THEY SET IN A BUILDING SET ON A CONCRETE PAD? THIS IS UTI UTILITY SHED.
SO WHAT WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE HERE? SO IT'S, IF IT'S NOT MOUNTED OUTSIDE THE UTILITY SHED, WHICH, WELL, THE UTILITY BUILDING, WHICH, UM, IT'S OFTEN IT'S CAN WE MOVE THOSE? SO THEY ARE ON THE UTILITY BUILDING.
UH, MR. ARCHITECT, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, UM, ON THE POLE.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY OFF THE POLE RIGHT OFF THE POLE OR ON THE POLE.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE RIGHT ON THE POLE, BUT I, I CAN THAT RIGHT.
IF THEY'RE ON THE POLES, THAT'S FINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THAT YOU HAVE A NEW, THE NEW, UH, POWER POLE, THEN YOU HAVE THESE METER AND WHATEVER HERE.
AND HOW IS THAT, AS YOU KNOW, THE POWER COMPANY TYPICALLY WANTS EVERYTHING ABOVE.
USUALLY WHAT WE SEE WITH SOLAR PROJECT IS YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR POLES GOING INTO THE SITE AND EVERYTHING GOES AROUND.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE COMING RIGHT OFF THAT POLE GOING INTO THE,
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INTO THE METER AND TO THIS OTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THE POWER'S COMING OUT THROUGH.BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE THERE.
I MEAN THEN YOU HAVE A UTILITY BUILDING, RIGHT? WHAT'S IN THE UTILITY BUILDING? IT'S ALL OVERHEAD TO THE UTILITY BUILDING AND THEN THE UTILITY AND THEN IT GOES UNDERGROUND.
BECAUSE THIS IS SO, SO WAIT A MINUTE.
SO IT GOES UNDER, SO I DUNNO THAT IT GOES UNDERGROUND.
SO HOW ARE YOU DOING YOUR COLLECTION LINES BETWEEN THE UNITS HERE? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE GROUND, YOU'RE DOING GROUND DISTURBANCE, YOU'RE JUST LAYING THEM DOWN.
WHERE ARE YOUR COLLECTION LINES? NO, THAT, THAT WILL, THOSE LINES WILL GO UNDERGROUND FROM THE UTILITY BUILDING TO THE UM, NO, I MEAN LIKE WHERE ARE THEY GOING FROM THE PANELS? SO HOW ARE YOUR COLLECTION LINES FROM THE PANEL ATTACHED IN A TRAY BETWEEN THE PANELS? SO THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE, THE TREE MOUNT ONES ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THEN SO ONCE YOU GET TO THE END, THEY'RE GONNA INTERCONNECT.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE INVERTERS AND THEN INTO THEN FROM THE INVERTERS, ARE THEY GOING UNDERGROUND TO THE UTILITY BUILDING? UNDERGROUND TO THE SWITCHBOARD AND THEN, UH, UNDERGROUND TO THE UTILITY AND THEN ABOVE GRADE FROM THE UTILITY BUILDING OUT TO THE POLE.
SO THE POWER COMPANY REQUIRES THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING BELOW GRADE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
MAYBE THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE BUILDING.
WHAT SIZE LINE ARE, OH, I'M SORRY.
AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU ANTICIPATING TO GENERATE IN YOUR, OFF THIS SITE WAS LIKE FOUR MEGAWATTS POINT.
WHAT IS IT BE ON THE ELECTRICAL PAGE? HOW MANY TYPICAL HOUSEHOLDS THEN WOULD THAT OFFSET? SO HOW MUCH DID YOU PUT ON A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD, HOW BIG WAS MR. MOLE'S SYSTEM? I MEAN I HOW BIG IS THE TIER? IS THAT LIKE, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE POSITIVE IMPACT VERSUS THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WOULD.
SO, SO, SO ON THE, TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT SYSTEMS, WE, LET'S, LET'S JUST KEEP IT ON THE DC SIDE.
SO WE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME MM-HMM
SO ON THE DC SIDE WE'RE AT 365.
TYPICALLY RESI PROJECTS, AND THIS OBVIOUSLY SWINGS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND WHAT'S BEING USED.
IT CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT KILOWATTS TO MAX SYSTEM SIZES ARE LIKE 30 KILOWATTS.
SO POSSIBLY LIKE 10 TO 20 HOUSES AN OUTSIDE MAX SYSTEM SIZES TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR, LET'S JUST SAY OUR AVERAGE IS AROUND 11 KILOWATTS.
1112 KILOWATTS FOR A FOUR RESIDENTIAL SYSTEM BETWEEN 11 AND 13 A BUILDING.
AND YOU'VE HAD, THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THESE SYSTEMS TOO, WITH THE SNOW? OH YES.
IS THIS, SO THIS MOUNTING SYSTEM WITH THE SNOW AND THE SNOW COVER AND THE VERY SHALLOW ANGLE OF THE PANELS, IT WILL LIKELY BE UNDER SNOW.
I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN FACTORED IN? I GUESS WE'D WANNA SOME SORT OF, YEAH, WE WE'RE JUST GONNA LOSE GENERATION DURING THOSE.
I MEAN, I GUESS SOLAR SAY THEY LOSE GENERATION BECAUSE IT COSTS THEM MORE MONEY TO GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO CLEAN THE BALL.
WELL I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED IS IF THE VEGETATION DIES UNDERNEATH IT, RIGHT, AND YOU'VE GOT SNOW MELT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLIGHTLY BALANCED IT DOWN, ARE THEY GONNA STAY IN PLACE WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR MOVEMENT? HOW DID THEY PERFORM IN SIMILAR? I MEAN IS DOES THE COMPANY, THE MANUFACTURER PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION OH, SURE.
ABOUT, ABOUT HOW THEY PERFORM? DO THEY STAY IN PLACE IF THE GROUND IS SLUMPING AND THE GROUND IS WET AND SO, AND ARE THEY GONNA SHIFT THE WEIGHT? THEY CAN WITHHOLD? I MEAN, YEAH, SO YEAH, SO SO SNOW AND WIND LOADS ARE PART OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, UH, ANALYSIS.
WELL I'M, I'M MORE SO, AND THAT'S, THAT ANALYSIS IS GONNA SHOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHIFT IF IT GETS SOGGY AND WET AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA SLIDE ALL OVER THE AND WHEN YOU SAY SHIFT, YOU MEAN MOVE FROM WHERE IT'S ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED? YEAH, THAT THEY MAY, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE I THAT THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR GROUND'S GOING OUT, THINGS GET MUY.
THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY DRIVING OVER A WET GROUND RIGHT OUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARE THEY GONNA SLUMP SHIFT, TILT? NO, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT IN A, IN A MAINTENANCE, AN OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU GUYS, AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS, IF WE CAN TAKE 10 MINUTES JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE CHECKLIST.
JUST MAKE SURE WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU NEED FROM THEM.
OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE ASKED FOR AGRICULTURAL ISSUES, THIS IS NOT AN AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
SO WE CAN SAY THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE, THEY DON'T NEED TO SUBMIT.
BUT LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THEY ASKED BEFORE, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T GIVE
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THIS THE LIST AHEAD OF TIME.I DIDN'T WANT THEM DOING STUFF THAT YOU DON'T THINK YOU NEED.
WOULD IT BE AN AGRICULTURAL OR ZONED AGRICULTURAL? DO WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEAREST FARMLANDS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CONCERN IN THE PAST IS WELL, OR I WOULD GUESS I WOULD PREFER THAT IF THEY'RE PROVIDING SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, THAT THEY MAKE A STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD IN THE FILE THAT THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL LAND, WHAT IT IS AND THAT IT WAS, IT'S NOT AGRICULTURAL LAND.
IT'S NOT IN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND YOU CAN PUT THAT IN YOUR FULLY, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD THEN, THEN THAT'LL ALIGN FOR THE REQUIREMENT TOO.
UM, WE WANNA TAKE FIRST PAGE OF THE CHECKLIST IS JUST BASICALLY WHETHER THE LAW APPLIES AS THE LAW APPLIES THERE MAY FALL UNDER YOUR TIER THREE.
THE NEXT SECTION ON THE TOP PAGE IS OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
THIS IS A SEEKER UNLISTED ACTION, A SHORT SUBMITTED YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR.
THEN THERE'S ABOUT INCONSISTENT PROVISIONS NOTED.
I DO HAVE TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A SOLAR LAW, WHICH YOU ARE STILL IN THIS, WHAT THEY CALL SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SOLAR, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE ABOUT RURAL CHARACTER ET CETERA IN THERE OR WHATEVER.
MOST OF IT DEALS WITH THE PUTTING IN OF SUBDIVISIONS, THE PUTTING IN OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
BUT YOU'LL FIND SOME THINGS IN THERE.
IT'S NOT AN INCONSISTENT PROVISION, BUT IT'S A PROVISION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER.
WE ARE IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SOLAR LOG? IT'S IT'S BUT YOU'RE IN THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO THAT THAT'LL BE IN THE TOWN.
THE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY IS IN THE TOWN SCOPE, REFER TO IT, CONDUCTING SOMETHING IN THE AREA.
WE NEED OUT, UH, THE REST OF THIS ABOUT PROCEDURAL, UH, WHEN WE REF, WHEN WE SEND STUFF TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, OUR LAW, AGAIN, ALWAYS CONSIDER IT MUCH LARGER PROJECTS WE DO REQUIRE FOR TIER THREE THAN A HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT BE ENTERED IN WITH THE TOWN.
SO I MAY HAVE YOU TALK TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND WHATEVER ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY A HOST COMMUNITY READER IS NOT GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IF WE CALL IT A HALF MEGAWATT PROJECT, I MEAN THE BIG, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GETTING A PILOT WITH THE COUNTY? ARE THEY GOING TO, ARE YOU THIS 365? I KNOW IT'S, IT'S REALLY SMALL.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF 'EM SAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY'RE USED TO DEALING WITH FIVE MEGAWATT, 10 MEGAWATT WHERE THEY'RE NEGOTIATING PILOTS IN THE RANGE OF 25 TO $50,000 A YEAR.
A PILOT'S GOING, THIS IS A HALF MEGAWATT.
UM, I WOULD SO WE JUST GONNA REFER THAT TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
IF YOU CAN CALL THE TOWN ATTORNEY, RIGHT? UM, I LEAST HAVE TO REFER YOU THERE.
I WOULD ALSO, I'M GONNA TRY JUST BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
WE'RE EXEMPT THE COUNTY, SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT BUT, BUT ALL SOLAR PROJECTS HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED.
EVERY SOLAR PROJECT IN HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING A PILOT THEN INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF TAX STRUCTURE.
BUT THE PILOTS FOR A, AGAIN, I'M USING A ROUTE NUMBER, HALF MEGAWATT PROJECT WOULD BE IN THE RANGE OF A THOUSAND TO $2,000 A YEAR IN TAXES.
YOU STILL ALSO HAVE TO PAY SPECIAL DISTRICT TAXES AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME EXCESSIVE VALUE.
YOU KNOW, AS OF JANUARY 1ST THERE WILL BE AN APPRAISAL ME METHODOLOGY FOR SOLAR PROJECTS.
THAT'LL AFFECT WHAT WE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE HCA, HCA IS HOST COMMUNITY, HOST COMMUNITY.
INSTEAD OF DOING A PILOT, THEY NEGOTIATE A HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET INTO TAX.
IT'S EASIER TO USE THE MONEY THAN THE HOST COMMUNITY.
SO I GOT, I GOT TO TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND I'LL START WITH THE TOWN OF SHE OFFICE.
I THINK WE JUST REFER THEM THERE FOR THEM.
SO YOU REFERRED THIS TO THE COUNTY ON 2 39? YES.
OKAY, SO THAT HAS TO BE REFERRED TO THE COUNTY.
WE'LL PUT IN A DATE HERE OF WHEN IT'S BEEN REFERRED TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE DESIGN REQUIREMENT VEHICLE VEHICULAR PASS.
AND JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY, WHEN YOU SAY REFER TO WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? JUST THE TAX ISSUES ISSUED.
39 COUNTY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IF YOU'RE ON A STATE HIGHWAY, ET CETERA.
A PROJECT REQUIRE, ESPECIALLY FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BE REFERRED TO THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLANNING BOARD NEAR COUNTY, BUT AS WE REFER TO THE COUNTY PLANNING.
OKAY, AND YOU SAID THAT THAT WAS REFERRED ON THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER? YEAH.
AND WE'LL GET A COMMENT AND SARAH CAN GO THROUGH ANY OF THIS IN DETAIL WITH YOU OFFLINE.
SO THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS VEHICULAR PASS, THEY ARE SHOWING MILLINGS I'M REALLY RECOMMENDING CAN ALREADY DC HAS, THEY CAN'T DO MILLINGS CAN BE LY, IT HAS BE STONE.
IT'S GONNA BE, THERE IS THE DC HAS AN APPROVED.
IT'S A REAL NICE IF THEY CAN'T FIND A REALLY NICE, WHAT'S CONSIDERED PERVIOUS SURFACE AND NEEDS ALL LOADING REQUIREMENTS ET
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CETERA IS A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT, UH, MATERIAL TO USE FOR YOUR ACCESS ROPE.SO, SO, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE THAT, AND WE HAVE THE VEHICULAR PATH, SO THAT'S GOOD SIGNAGE.
SIGNAGE, UH, THEY HAVE A SIGNAGE SHEET.
WE THINK THEY MEET, UH, GLARE.
WE NEED JUST PROOF OF ANTI-GLARE.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE THIS FAR OFF THE GROUND.
I'M LESS CONCERNED, BUT I DO NEED GLARE.
WHAT I ALSO NEED IS SOMETHING NEW.
PLEASE PROVIDE US IF, IF THERE'S AN ANTI GLARE COING ON IT THAT THEY DON'T CONTAIN TFAS SUBSTANCES.
THERE'S NO BIDEN'S GOT INTO THAT
ABOUT THESE WHAT? THAT THE ANTI GLA.
SOME OF 'EM, I THINK YOUR MANUFACTURER PROBABLY TELL YOU THEY DON'T USE PFS.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY LIGHTING AT THE PROJECT PLANS? NO INVERTER NOISE.
I DO NEED THAT COMPUTATION OF WHAT YOUR LEVEL IS ON YOUR INVERTERS AND THAT NEAR STRUCTURE.
I YOU SHOULD BE OKAY, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT YOUR NOISE LEVEL'S GONNA BE.
SO YOU ARE REMOVING A LOT OF TREES FROM THE SITE.
UM, GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE CHARACTER OF THOSE TREES AND OBVIOUSLY WE TRY TO AVOID REMOVAL OF TREES, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE A, HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME RE AVOIDING.
THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE CLEARING IN THE TOWN CODE AND RELATED TO, I THINK IT'S OVER A QUARTER OF AN ACRE, CERTAIN AUTHORIZATION.
SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD WILL LIKELY PROVIDE COMMENT.
WE TYPICALLY IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE PLANNING BOARD, INSTEAD OF YOU COMING IN AND GETTING A TRUE CLEARING PERMIT, THE PLANNING BOARD THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL AUTHORIZE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE GET INPUT FROM THAT.
UM, DECOMMISSIONING, YES, YOU NOTICE THERE'S A DECOMMISSIONING, WE NEED A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN.
UH, WE NEED A COST ESTIMATE SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A BOND.
SO HERE, LET YOU KNOW WE DON'T, AND THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOUR PROJECT.
WE DON'T ALLOW, UM, UH, RECYCLE VALUE.
ALWAYS SEEN THE, THEY WOULD SAY, WELL IT COST $300,000 BUT IT'S $300,000 RECYCLE.
THEREFORE WE'RE NOT POSTING ANY BOND.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWING NO RECYCLE VALUE BECAUSE ANY RECYCLE VALUE, WE CAN'T CONTROL RECYCLED VALUE.
UM, SO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
UM, THE SECURITY IS THE DEPOSIT 125% THAT OCCURS AT THE END IF THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED.
BUT JUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THOSE COSTS.
UH, MAINTENANCE PLAN REALLY NEEDED A MAINTENANCE PLAN.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T REALIZE BEING DOWN HERE, USUALLY THE BIG MAINTENANCE IS MAINTAINING WHAT'S GROWING UNDERNEATH, UH, AND MAINTAINING ANY LANDSCAPING.
ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU'RE DOING YOUR MAINTENANCE OF YOUR, YOUR 12 INCHES BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE STUFF GROWING UP AND WE'LL NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE GOING IN THERE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES A LOT OF PLACES IS PEOPLE ARE HAVING
SO WE'LL NEED A ROBUST AND THE OTHER THING IS MAINTAINING OBVIOUSLY THE ENTRANCE ROAD PLOWING SNOW OFF OF ET CETERA.
EMERGENCY SERVICES, UM, SAFETY PLAN.
YOU REALLY DIDN'T SUBMIT A SAFETY PLAN.
YOU MAY WANT TO JUST TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THIS WILL BE BRAND NEW TO A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO TALK TO 'EM AND SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A SAFETY, UH, SAFETY REQUIREMENT.
AND ALSO FOR LIKE ACCESS SPACING, IF THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO KNOW IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE ROW SPACING AND THE ACCESS OR IF THEY NEED MORE THAN WHAT YOU PROVIDE.
AND TRUST ME, EACH TOWN IS UNIQUE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE REQUIREMENTS SERVICE PROVIDER SAY, HEY, THIS, THAT, WHATEVER.
SO LET US KNOW WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY SAY IN A REPORT FROM THEM.
UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURAL RESOURCES.
YOU DID A SHORT FORM ME AF UM, YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU ARE GETTING ANY MONIES FROM NEW YORK STATE, UH, YOU HAVE TO GET SIGNED UP FROM SHIPPO, UH, FOR THE STATE TO GIVE YOU ANY MONEY.
SHIPPO'S GONNA HAVE TO SAY YOU DON'T NEED AG MARKETS, BUT YOU DO NEED SHIPPO.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY GET A LITTLE WITH, UH, UH, SITES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DO YOUR, ENTER THE CHRIS PSYCH AT GET YOUR, GET YOUR PROJECT.
IF YOU JUST SUBMIT A LETTER IN, THEN THEY'LL WAY BACK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO, AND IF YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE THAT REMEDIATION SITE IS, UH, IT SHOULD BE ON THE D'S FILE SOMEWHERE.
I ASSUME IT'S NOT THIS SITE, BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION TILL I SEE SOME INFORMATION ON IT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT NEGOTIATING ANY SKY SPACE.
YOU, YOU OWN THE PROPERTY AROUND YOU.
SO WE SAY YOU, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SKY SPACE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
THEN THERE'S A SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU SUBMITTED FAIRLY GOOD PLANS.
I MEAN ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST HAS BEEN MET.
I DID NOTE, NOTE IN THERE THAT FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM FEE, UH, IS THE LANDSCAPE GRADING ISSUE.
I THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE, THE TALENT ENGINEER PROVIDE AND THEN G IS THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE PLAN.
WE TALKED ABOUT EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN.
YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH, UH, THE TALENT ENGINEER ON
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THAT.UH, K IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH YOU ON THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN WHEN WE, THE THE IMPACTS.
AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ASK FOR, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS APPEARS THAT YOU MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THOSE ON, ON THE DRAWING.
NOW I SEE THE HEIGHT PROPOSED.
SO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT.
YOU DO HAVE A FENCING AND YOU DO HAVE A GATE.
UM, IT'S A SEVEN FOOT FENCE WITH THE, WITH THE GATE AT THE FRONT, WHICH IS ENERGY.
UH, THE ELECTRIC CODE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A SEVEN FOOT FENCE.
UM, SCREENING AND VISIBILITY ARE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.
IF YOU'RE OVER FIVE ACRES, THERE'S A LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS UNDER FIVE ACRES.
IT'S BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU'VE MINIMIZED VIEWS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION TO SHOW HOW THIS IS NOT GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
LIKE I SAID, MY QUICK LOOK AT IT, I KNOW SARAH HAS MENTIONED ABOUT IF IT'S DECIDUOUS TREES AND ALL THE LEAVES FALL OFF OF, ARE WE REALLY GONNA SEE THIS THEN FROM, FROM EVERYWHERE? SO PLEASE TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO SHOW US HOW THAT, THAT IS NOT GONNA BE, UH, MINIMIZE, MINIMIZE THE VIEWS FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, SO SOLAR SYSTEM'S GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES.
I PUT AGRICULTURE RESOURCES NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN AN AG DISTRICT AND THERE'S NO ACTIVE FARMING ON THE SITE.
UM, BUT IF YOU WANNA ASK SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT IS, I MEAN, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO PLANTING WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANNING TO STABILIZE.
AND WHILE THIS IS NOT AGRICULTURAL, THERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT NATIVE PERENNIAL VEGETATION AND SECTION F UH, TWO.
AND ON THE TOP OF YOU MEAN AFTER, OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AFTER DECOMMISSIONING? UH, WELL WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT DOWN AFTER YOU CLEAR ALL THE TREES TO STABILIZE THE GROUND STONE? THE WHOLE AREA'S GONNA COME DOWN.
UH, SO THEN ALSO IN THE DECOMMISSION PLAN.
WHAT, HOW YOU GONNA, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE SITE BACK TO? ARE YOU GONNA PLAN IT OR ARE YOU GONNA DO, WHATCHA GONNA DO AND WHAT GONNA PROPOSE TO PLAN IT WITH? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, TYPICALLY A LOT OF THESE ARE ON SITES THAT ARE ALREADY MOWED AND THEY'RE RESTORING THE SITE TO THE PRE-PRO IONS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA REFOREST THE SITE, WE WOULD NEED A PLAN FOR THAT.
AND IS THAT THE PROPOSAL? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHEN YOU REMOVE THE PROJECT, IT'S NOT RESTORING IT TO THE PRE-PROJECT SUBMISSION CONDITION IS NOT FULLY DECOMMISSIONED.
I MEAN IT'S DECOMMISSIONED IN THAT YOU'VE REMOVED THE COMPONENTS, BUT YOU'VE NOT RESTORED.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH IT? LIKE IF THERE WAS AGRICULTURAL, THERE'S STANDARDS BY MARKETS.
IS THIS NOT AGRICULTURAL? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE? OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA PLANT THE ENTIRE SITE OF TREES, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE SITE? AND I THINK THE CONSERVATION ADVISOR WEIGH IN ON, YEP.
SO I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION FOR ONE SECOND.
THE TREE LINE IS SIGNIFICANTLY BEYOND THE FENCE LINE.
THE AREA THAT YOU'RE CLEAR TO CORRECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S A 50, THERE'S A 50 FOOT SETBACK.
IS THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK THEN OF THE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE CLEARED OF TREES? IS THAT ALL GONNA BE STONE? NO.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA STABILIZE THAT? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT, WELL, THAT'LL PROBABLY JUST BE A MOBILE SURFACE.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PLANT.
AND THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR SKY SPACE.
THEY DON'T WANT TREES THAT CLOSE, OTHERWISE IT'S FLYING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THOUGH, WHEN THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA PUT DOWN IN STONE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA OFF TO THE TREES.
MY NEXT ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT NOISE AND WE TALKED ABOUT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
RIGHT? JUST MAKE SURE YOU SUBMIT SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT ON NOISE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
NEXT SECTION OF LAWS IS PRETTY MUCH AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THE TOWN DOES REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE INSURANCES TO DO THIS, THIS FOR INSPECTIONS AND PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE ON THE SITE.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE NOT TO KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT THAT I THINK WITH JUST THE, UH, THE MAIN APPLICATION THAT HAVE THAT COVER LETTER.
SO SET, SUBMIT IT WITH EVERY PACKET.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION OF THE CODE IS SAFETY.
UM, THERE'S NO BATTERY STORAGE.
WE'RE NOT DOING BATTERY INJURY STORAGE, BUT WE DO NEED THAT SAFETY PLANNING OR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT NO PLAN NEEDS HELP OPERATE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING GO THROUGH THAT QUICKLY WITH YOU.
SO OUR DEADLINE AHEAD OF COMING BACK ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA IS THINGS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE FRIDAY MEETING.
SO YOU CAN, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS TO DO HERE.
SO I, I THINK UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS HERE FOR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY NEED, I THINK IF YOU WANNA LET US KNOW TODAY, IF YOU WANNA COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WE CAN PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA.
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YOU WANNA LET SARAH KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THOSE, THOSE ITEMS TOGETHER AND WE CAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS.DO YOU WANNA I THINK WE'LL TRY AND BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
SO WE WOULD NEED ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS WITHIN A WEEK AND A HALF IF WE BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU EMAILED ME, I'VE, YEAH.
YOU CAN PROVIDE PDFS AND EVERYTHING THEN SARAH CAN CIRCULATE SOUNDS.
YOUR GOAL IS IF YOU HAVE THAT, ALL THAT INFORMATION IN TWO WEEKS FROM, THIS IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD DEEMS IT THAT YOU SUBMITTED THAT INFORMATION, WE WOULD THEN CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS NOW OR NOT, BUT DO WE WANT PUT THIS OUT FOR REVIEW AGENTS? THE CONSOLIDATED REVIEW, COORDINATED REVIEW, NOT CONSOLIDATED COORDINATED REVIEW UNDER C WELL, I DON'T HAVE A LONG EAF YET.
SO AFTER WE GET THE, THE FULL EAF DO, CAN WE SAY THAT TODAY, JENNIFER? DO YOU HAVE TO DO THE NEXT MEETING ON THE REGULAR? NO.
YOU, NO, YOU CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT IF AFTER WE GET THE FULL EAF AND IS IT OKAY IF SARAH, US COORDINATOR REVIEW ON THE SEEKER? MM-HMM.
AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW EIGHT WE'RE GONNA SEND THAT TO.
SO FOR THE RECORD, FOR SARAH HAS TO GO TO DEC, GOTTA GO TO NYSERDA IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH NYSERDA.
AND IT ALSO HAS TO GO TO ERIE COUNTY, IDA IF ANY PILOTS ARE BEING NEGOTIATED OR THINGS IN.
THEY'LL BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY GET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANY PILOTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AGENCIES GUYS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEND THIS TO.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER APPROVAL AGENCIES.
GO AHEAD, SHIPPO AND JUST CONFIRM AND TEAR THAT OFF.
IF THEY'RE NOT SURE IF THEY GO ON THE CHRIS SIDE, I'LL BE FINE WITH THAT.
I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE LONGEVITY OF THE SOLAR SOLAR SYSTEM? WHAT, WHAT'S USUALLY THE LONGEVITY OF IT? SO THE, THE, THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT IS 25 YEARS.
IF YOU'RE ASKING HOW LONG THE PANELS WILL PRODUCE, TYPICALLY 40 TO 50.
BUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT IS 25 YEARS.
THAT'S BASED ONE MANUFACTURERS WANNA, YEAH.
UM, YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP THE, THE, UH, THE COATING, UH, THE ANTI CODE, RIGHT? OUR PANELS ARE AT A 10 DEGREE ANGLE.
IS THERE ANY UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY'RE SO LOW TO THE GROUND AND THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA CREATE A GLARE ISSUE.
UM, DO THEY COME WITH AN ANTI GLAR BUILDING? I THINK YOU CAN, WE CAN GET THE PANELS WITH THAT, BUT UM, IT IS AN EXTRA P AND IT'S NOT GONNA PROVIDE ANY GLARE TO ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THERE, I MEAN, HAVE YOU DONE ANY COORDINATION WITH WHAT THE FAA REQUIREMENTS ARE? RIGHT, SO, SO THOSE PANELS ARE DESIGNED TO ABSORB THE, THE SUNLIGHT SO THEY DON'T LAYER, THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAVE TO GLARE IS THE FRAME AROUND IT.
UM, AND THAT THEY FAA, UM, WE, WE CAN WELL 'CAUSE THE HAMMER AIRPORT IS OVER THERE AS WELL.
RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T THAT THE ANGLE DISTANCE, BUT THAT THE, THERE IS A HAMBURG MUNICIPAL AIRPORT OVER MM-HMM.
YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING RESPONSES FROM THEM.
BUT BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE TRY TO, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE BUILDING A STRUCTURE OVER A CERTAIN PIPE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT, UH, FROM A GLARE STANDPOINT WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE NEAREST AIRPORT, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE CLOSE TO.
YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO ALSO, THAT AIRPORT IS ALMOST NOT OPERATIONAL RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
SO ANYWAY, SUBMIT WHERE INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE NEW ANTI OR NOT, WHY YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ME.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE LAW REQUIRES AN ANTI-GLARE COATING IF WE WERE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THAT, THAT CAN BE WAIVED? YES.
NO, I DON'T THINK THE LAW REQUIRES AN ANTI IT.
THE LAW REQUIRES THEM NOT TO PRODUCE GLARE.
UM, IT SAYS AN ANTI-REFLECTIVE COATING.
IT SAYS AN ANTI-REFLECTIVE COATING.
DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU THEY CAN MAKE THAT, THOSE THINGS THAT THEY WISH.
ANTI, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT HAVE AN AND PROOF.
SO ANYWAY, SUBMIT INFORMATION.
JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WAIVE THAT REGULATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO TALK TO.
WE CAN, I DON'T THINK MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WITHOUT DENNIS.
I MEAN, WHAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLOSE AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT IN THE LAW AND I, I WROTE THE LAW REASON BELIEVE SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE GLARE SHINING DOWN THAT STATED IN THE WALL, BUT THAT'S NOT STATED IN THE WALL.
OR YOU CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO SHOW, I MEAN, AS HE SAID, MOST MODERN SOLAR PANELS HAVE EVER BEEN BY THE ONES THAT AT, UH, UB THEY'RE PITCH BLACK.
SO ANYWAY, SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
THEN THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION ON DREW.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN A PROJECT, UM, OF A, WHICH
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ONE? CALL IT A TIER THREE PROJECT.HOW DOES ONE DETERMINE IF IT'S OPERATED AT A MINIMUM OF 50% CAPACITY? THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT, THEY SUBMIT YEARLY REPORTS TO THE TOWN ON THE, ON THE PROJECT AND ITS ABILITY.
UM, THERE DO WE, WE REQUIRE THAT SO THEY CAN SHOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY OPERATIONAL.
IF IT'S NOT OPERATIONAL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, THE TOWN WILL TELL YOU TO REMOVE THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM.
AND IF YOU DON'T REMOVE IT IN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, THEN THE TOWN COLLECTS ON THE BOND AND FEE COMMISSIONS.
THAT'S WHY THE BOND'S THERE TO REMOVE IT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW WE WOULD DETERMINE THE CAPACITY.
NOW THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SAY, I'LL SAY IT ON RECORD, THAT WHENEVER YOU REQUIRE DECOMMISSIONING BONDS, SOMEONE HAS TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE RENEWED.
SO MANY YEARS, WE ALMOST HAD A PROJECT THAT HAD A DECOMMISSIONING BOND THAT NO ONE KEPT TRACK OF IT AND IT, AND IT EXPIRED.
SO IT HAS TO BE SOMEONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BOND IS IN PLACE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE REQUEST A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THIS IS JUST THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE'LL TABLE THIS, I GUESS FOR NOW UNTIL THE, SO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE REGULAR AGENDA AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS THE 17TH.
I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE IS PROBABLY HERE FROM ECHO PARK AUTOMOTIVE AND HAS LEARNED EVERYTHING HE'S EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SOLAR.
I WAS JUST THINKING DON'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DID LEARN A LOT.
I THINK, SARAH, IF WE CAN DO IT ON THE AGENDA, MAYBE PUT THE SOLAR AFTER SOME OF OUR SHORTER OH YEAH.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US AN INTRODUCTION AND, UH, TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? THIS IS AT THE MCKINLEY MALL, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
MY NAME'S JOSH EDIE AND I'M WITH, UH, SONIC AUTOMOTIVE.
UH, AND THAT'S THE PARENT COMPANY OF ECHO PARK.
ECHO PARK OR SONIC AUTOMOTIVE'S, A FORTUNE 300 AUTOMOTIVE RETAILER.
UH, WE HAVE CLOSE TO 120, UH, DEALERSHIPS.
ABOUT 86 OF THOSE ARE FRANCHISE DEALERSHIPS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, BMW FORD, UH, LAND ROVER, ALL THOSE, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE OEM PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS COMPANY, WHICH IS CALLED ECHO PARK.
SO ECHO PARK IS A TARGET, IT'S A COMPETITOR TO CARMAX, UH, THAT WE ROLLED OUT IN 2014.
AND IT STARTED TO GAIN TRACTION.
AND THEN WE SAID, OKAY, WE REALLY NEED TO GROW THIS ECHO PARK BECAUSE THERE'S 42, APPROXIMATELY 42 MILLION USED CAR SALES SOLD ANNUALLY.
WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST NATIONAL USED CAR SELLERS.
AND WE SOLD 20,000 CARS, USED CARS IN 2022 THEN, EXCUSE ME, IN SECOND QUARTER.
SO IT SHOWS YOU HOW LARGE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY IS HERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS AS I, AS WE TALK ABOUT ECHO PARK AND WE BEGIN TO DISCUSS THINGS IS PEOPLE THINK, OH, USED CARS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL YOUR MAN, I'M GONNA GO GET LOCKED IN A DEALERSHIP AND, AND IT'S GONNA BE A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE DIFFERENTIATE OURSELF.
WE DIFFERENTIATE OURSELF ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE FACT THAT OUR PRICES ARE WHAT OUR PRICES ARE.
THERE'S NO NEGOTIATING HANDLING.
WE WANT IT TO BE AN ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE.
WE ALSO, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS ALLOW US TO SAY THAT WE MARK OUR CARS $3,000 BELOW MARKET.
AND SO WE'RE THE COSTCO, THINK OF US AS THE COSTCO OF USED CARS.
SO THE WAY WE CAN GET THOSE PRICES IS THROUGH THE THROUGHPUT THAT WE CAN GENERATE THROUGH THE VEHICLE.
WE BUY 'EM, RIGHT? AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THE, THE RECONDITIONING INTO 'EM TO GET 'EM TO THE FRONT LINE.
UH, WE ALSO FOCUS ONLY ON ONE TO 4-YEAR-OLD VEHICLES.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE 15, 20-YEAR-OLD RUST BUCKETS SITTING OUT THERE.
THESE ARE ONE TO 4-YEAR-OLD VEHICLES, MOST OF 'EM COMING OFF OF LEASE OR OFF OF, UH, RENTAL CAR FLEETS.
SO THAT'S THE OVERALL STRATEGY OF WHO ECHO PARK IS.
OUR LATEST CONCEPT IS THESE DELIVERY CENTERS.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, A LOT THROUGH COVID AND A LOT THROUGH SOME INVENTORY SHORTAGE IS THE INVENTORY TO SUPPLY DEALERSHIPS IS NOW GOING ONLINE.
RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE'VE CREATED HERE IS WE'VE CREATED KIND OF A COMBINATION BETWEEN CARMAX AND CARVANA.
THE, WE BELIEVE THE LAST MILE DELIVERY TO YOUR HOUSE AS A CUSTOMER COSTS YOU MORE MONEY AND IS A HASSLE TO DEAL WITH.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THESE MARKETS IS WE'RE CREATING THESE DELIVERY CENTERS, WHICH IS WE'RE GONNA DELIVER TO ONE HOME HERE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, MSA OF BUFFALO.
AND SO WHAT YOU'LL DO IS YOU'LL SHOP OUR INVENTORY ONLINE, UH, YOU'LL PURCHASE YOUR VEHICLE, UH, OR YOU'LL PURCHASE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL AGREE TO KIND OF THE DEAL, THE STRUCTURE, THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT WILL GET SHIPPED INTO THE DELIVERY CENTER.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL WALK AROUND, CHECK IT OUT, MAKE SURE IT'S EVERYTHING IT SAYS.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL SIGN THE PAPERWORK AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL, UH, ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE VEHICLE.
SO WHERE'S THE INVENTORY KEPT? IS THE INVENTORY KEPT HERE ON SITE? SO, SO, NO, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE ON AVERAGE
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LESS THAN 15 VEHICLES ON SITE.AND THAT, AND THOSE VEHICLES ONLY BE THERE FOR ABOUT THREE TO FIVE DAYS.
SO THE INVENTORY WILL BE KEPT FOR THESE, FOR THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE HUB STORES.
SO WE'VE GOT HUB STORES IN DC UH, HUB STORES IN SYRACUSE, UH, AND THEN HUB STORES IN ATLANTA AND THEN FLORIDA.
SO THOSE WILL BE THE STORES THAT WILL, THAT THE PEOPLE HERE, UH, IN THE TOWN WILL BE ABLE TO SHOP FROM AND BE ABLE TO ORDER AND HAVE DELIVERED HERE INTO THE TOWN.
SO DON'T THINK OF IT AS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 50 CARS ON THE LOT.
AND THE BIG GORILLA ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CEILING, UH, ATTRACTING PEOPLE.
SO THE ONLY PEOPLE GOING TO YOUR SITE WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO BUY A CAR? CORRECT.
CAN, CAN I WALK IN OFF THE STREET AND BUY A CAR? YOU CAN WALK IN OFF THE STREET AND BUY A CAR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNSOLD INVENTORY ON THE LOCK.
SO WHAT WE DO FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WALK IN, WE HAVE A KIOSK RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY CAN GO ONLINE AND ONE OF THE, UH, DELIVERY SPECIALISTS AT THE DOOR WILL THEN WALK THEM THROUGH THE INVENTORY, WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SO FORTH.
SO EITHER WAY YOU'RE BUYING 'EM UNLOCKED.
YOU HAVE, THIS IS THE PLANNING BOARD.
I'M SURE YOU A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK.
THIS IS A BRAND NEW LAW INCENTIVE ZONING LAW THAT WAS CREATED BY THE TOWN.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, A LAW CREATED TO INCENTIVIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MALL.
'CAUSE THE MALL OBVIOUSLY HAS TURNED GOING FROM A LARGE TAX REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE TOWN TO LITTLE TAXES FOR THE TOWN.
AND, UH, SO THE TOWN CREATED THIS INCENTIVE ZONING LAW.
IF YOU ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING ON THAT SITE THAT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, SOME PART OF THE LAW, THEY CAN PROPOSE AN INCENTIVE ZONING, WHICH LETS LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A REZONING, BUT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS INCENTIVE ZONING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO HERE.
SO THE LAW REQUIRES THEM, THEY PROPOSE THIS IDEA, THE DOWN BOARD SAW ENOUGH MERIT IN IT TO SEND IT TO YOU TO DO A REPORT TO THEM.
WHAT WE HAVE, HAVE TO DO IS GO THROUGH THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GENERATING ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THIS.
I THINK THIS IS, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION AS THE PLANNER.
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST ONE.
SO ARE WE REALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S ACCOMPLISHING WHAT THE TOWN WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? SO AS YOU WALK THROUGH THAT, THAT, THAT LAW, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEY HAVE TO OFFER INCENTIVES.
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE TOWN FOR US TO LET YOU GET AWAY WITH NOT MEETING THE LAW OF THE TOWN? NOT MEANING THE LAW OF TOWN IS, AS YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHAT YOU CALL OR NOT, IT'S A USED CAR LOT.
CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE ONLY ALLOWED WITHIN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN RIGHT NOW.
AND EVEN C TWO ZONING IS FINE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE AREA.
ESPECIALLY USED PERMIT REQUIRES YOU IN A C TWO ZONING TO BE SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE TOWN.
A LOT OF TOWNS HAVE GONE THAT ROUTE SAID WE WANT USED CAR LOTS OR NEW CAR LOTS IN THESE AREAS OF TOWN.
SO IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT ALLOWED USE AT THIS LOCATION.
IF SOMEONE ELSE WALKED IN TOMORROW AND SAID, I WANT TO PUT A, A USED CAR LOT OR A NEW CAR LOT ON THE MCKINLEY MALL AREA OR ANY PLACE THAT ZONE C TWO, IT'S NOT ALLOWED UNLESS IT'S SO YEAH.
I'M GOING TO ASK A HARD QUESTION.
IS IT ACTUALLY A USED CAR LOT? BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FACILITIES COMING UP WHERE YOU PURCHASE SOMETHING ONLINE YEP.
AND THEN YOU GO PICK IT UP AND THEY HOLD YOUR ITEM AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COUNT AS A WAREHOUSE.
SO I GUESS THE, IT'S A RETAIL DISTRIBUTION.
I MEAN, BUT I GUESS, I GUESS HOW MANY CARS ARE WE ANTICIPATING AND WHERE WILL THEY BE STORED? ARE THEY ON THE
OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO MOSTLY SELL, SELL CARS THROUGH THE INTERNET.
DON'T REALLY KEEP, IT'S THE SALE OF CARS, I HAVE TO SAY IT'S THE USE CARS, IT'S THE SALE OF CARS.
IT USUALLY INVOLVE THE STORAGE OF A LOT OF VEHICLES.
BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE TOWN, PEOPLE THAT COME TO US TO SAY, HEY, I BOUGHT THIS SMALL STRUCTURE.
AND AGAIN, TO SELL CARS, THEY HAVE TO SHOW PROOF THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO, TO DO THAT AT THAT LOCATION.
THE TOWN HAS INTERPRETED THAT, WHETHER YOU HAVE CARS THERE OR NOT, YOU'RE SELLING CARS.
SO THE TOWN SAID YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES.
YOU CAN'T RE WELL YOU REALLY DON'T, YOU CAN'T REZONE THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT I REZONE IT DOESN'T MEET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT.
YOU COULD GO GET A USE VARIANCE, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A USE VARIANCE.
BUT NOW WE HAVE THIS GREAT NEW TOOL.
SO HE, HE UNFORTUNATELY IS THE GUINEA PIG FOR THIS NEW, I'VE BEEN WARNED THIS NEW LAW.
I'VE BEEN WARNED THAT HE'S BEEN WARNED.
CAN WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION THEN AS TO HOW MANY CARS WE ANTICIPATE BEING THERE, HOW BUSY WE ANTICIPATE THE SITE BEING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO HELP INFORM THE DECISION.
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ACTUALLY CONTROL THAT RIGHT? BY DELIVERY DATES? WE, WE CAN.TO ANSWER THAT AND, AND, AND DOCUMENTING IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, HEY, HERE'S, I CAN TELL YOU THE BUSINESS PLAN OF HOW WE DO THAT.
SO WE SCHEDULE DELIVERIES ON THE HOUR, EVERY HOUR.
DO YOU HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND A MARKET LIKE THIS? UH, YES.
WE HAVE EIGHT OF 'EM ALREADY OPEN.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING, LIKE YES, YES.
AND SO WE STAFF, THERE'LL BE ABOUT SIX PEOPLE, STAFF AND I SAY ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF, UH, FLUCTUATIONS OF THE TIME.
SO WE WILL SCHEDULE DELIVERIES ABOUT EVERY HOUR.
SO THE PLAN FOR HERE IS TO HAVE TWO INTERIOR DELIVERY BASE.
SO WHEN YOU COME AND LOOK AT YOUR VEHICLE, IT'S GONNA BE INSIDE A BAY, ALMOST LIKE A SHOWROOM.
SO THE BAY IS GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE MY GUESS.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE INSIDE HOW MANY CARS WILL BE INSIDE THE FACILITY? TWO.
AND HOW MANY CARS WILL BE STORED ON THE FACILITY AT ANY ONE? SO IF WE'RE OPEN FOR EIGHT HOURS, UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO BAYS.
SO WE COULD DO MAX, WHAT'S THAT? 16? THAT'S 16 DELIVERIES A DAY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN SO WE'LL, WE'LL WE HAVE ONE IN AUSTIN RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE SELLING ABOUT 150 VEHICLE, 120 VEHICLES A MONTH OUT OF, AND WE HAVE ABOUT 25 PARKING SPACES THAT'S THAT REMAIN FULL.
AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE AT THIS CURRENT SITE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? ONE IN FRONT OF THE OLD, UH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE, UH, UH, I DON'T, P ONE DOESN'T HAVE A TON OF PARKING.
THEY, THERE'S ABOUT 15 OR I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, I, I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING UNIQUE, PROBABLY ABOUT 25 SPOTS DURING THE COURSE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S, THERE'S PARKING ALONG THE SIDE.
LET ME, UH, SORRY, LET ME PULL UP THE, UH, SO WE NEED AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY, HOW MUCH PARKING YOU NEED FOR YOUR INVENTORY.
FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS AND FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES.
I ASSUME YOU'RE JUST GONNA USE THE EXISTING PARKING CORRECT.
I'M WONDERING DOES THE, THE DELIVERIES, ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING THE DELIVERIES ARE COMING IN OFF OF A CAR CARRIER.
IT IS NOT A EIGHT OR NINE CALL CARRIER.
CAR CARRIER'S USUALLY A THREE.
SO IT'S USUALLY HOOKED UP TO A TWO 50.
IT'S A TRAILER THAT'S HOOKED UP TO AN F TWO 50 TYPICALLY.
SO IT COULD FIT IN THAT SPACE AND EASILY PULL IN AND OUT WITHOUT OBSTRUCTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC? CORRECT.
THE SMALL ONE, NO, I'VE SEEN THE SMALL ONES, BUT THAT'S A REALLY TIGHT SPACE BECAUSE WHEN I USED TO SHOP OVER IN THAT AREA, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH WITH TOO MINIVANS LIKE ONE GOING IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND IT IS, THE DRIVEWAY SPACE HERE IS TIGHT.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE BY, BY THE WAY, THIS IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THE INCENTIVES ONLY TALKS ABOUT INCENTIVES BEING OFFERED RIGHT NOW.
I'LL BE NICE, BUT THE ONLY INCENTIVES BEING OFFERED HERE ARE SIX JOBS AND THE REUSE OF A BUILDING.
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OTHER THINGS THAT COULD MAKE, AND AGAIN, READ THE LAW, MAKE THE MCKINLEY MALL A BETTER PLACE, OR THE SITE THAT WAS THE MCKINLEY MALL SO WE CAN SPUR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF IT.
IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO ECHO PARK THAT YOU COULD COME UP FOR INCENTIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I LOOKED AT THE BUILDING LOOKS UGLY FROM MCKINLEY, FROM MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
COULD YOU DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE LOOKS OF THAT? ARE THERE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MADE TO INTERNAL TRAFFIC, ET CETERA AND WHATEVER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ALONG BEYOND, BECAUSE I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT SAYING THAT THE ONLY INCENTIVES OFFERED ARE THAT I'M PRODUCING SIX JOBS AND I'M FIXING THE BUILDING UP.
HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT FROM ANYBODY ELSE WHO COULD MOVE INTO, INTO THIS SITE? SO WHAT IS THE UNIQUENESS OF IT? NOT ANY FINANCIAL AID OR ANYTHING.
NO, AND IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR A YEAR.
SO MY MY THING IS, NUMBER ONE, I DISAGREE THAT IT'S, IT'S A CAR LOT, RIGHT? I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IT'S, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE SELLING CARS, RIGHT? YOU'RE SELLING 'EM ON THE INTERNET.
RIGHT? I GO THERE, I PICK UP JUST LIKE SHOPPING AT, AT WALMART DURING THE, AND YOU'VE ALREADY PAID ELSEWHERE.
NOW THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS THE BUILDING'S SITTING THERE NOW, WE TALK ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE LIGHT, RIGHT? AND HERE WE'RE GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, WHAT IF THIS NOBODY'S COME FORWARD? WE DID IT AT THE BUSINESS PART, RIGHT? WE CHANGED THE WHOLE THING THERE BECAUSE NOBODY WAS MOVING.
RIGHT? WE GOT SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO MOVE AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE NEXT YEAR OR 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, SOMEBODY WILL COME IN WITH A BETTER IDEA.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, DENNIS.
WE SET UP THIS LAW FOR INCENTIVES WHO, WHO SET UP THE, THE TOWN BOARD WORKING WITH ME AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY SET UP THIS LAW TO INCENTIVIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MALL, RIGHT? WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT IT TO SIT FOR 20 YEARS VACANT.
WE WANNA TRY TO PROVIDE SOME TOOLS, BUT WITH THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THESE CHANGES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN.
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I AGREE.GETTING SOMEBODY IN THAT BUILDING'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN, GETTING JOBS IS GOOD FOR THE TOWN, BUT WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'VE TAKEN TO LEVEL 'CAUSE OTHERWISE.
SO WHEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO PUT A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THERE AND I WANT INCENTIVE ZONING TO DO X, Y, AND Z.
WELL WHAT ARE YOU PROVIDING TO THE TOWN OTHER THAN GOING INTO THE BUILDING? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SAY, THIS IS REALLY INCENTIVE ZONING.
ANSWER MY QUESTION, RIGHT? YEP.
WHAT IN, WHAT'S AN INCENTIVE? THERE'S A WHOLE LIST.
YOU'RE GETTING JOBS THERE, THERE'S A LIST IN THE LAW.
RESIDENTS ARE GETTING DEAL ON, ON A, ON A, ON A CAR.
I MEAN, I, I GET WE, WE SIT HERE AND WE COMPLAIN ABOUT EMPTY BUILDINGS, RIGHT? SOME OF THE PEOPLE, THEY, THEY RAN ON EMPTY BUILDINGS AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S, WELL NO ONE'S SAYING THE TOWN BOARD REFERRED YOU.
THE TOWN BOARD SAID, HEY, THIS, THIS HAS, THIS MAY BE A GOOD IDEA.
IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE NOW A GOOD IDEA.
UM, SO THERE ARE ITEMS IF WE WANT TO, IF THIS IS BEING APPLIED FOR, AND I HAVE ASKED JENNIFER TO CONFIRM THAT SHE AGREES WITH THE INTERPRETATION THAT THIS FALLS UNDER THE CAR LOT AND PROVIDE THE BACKUP FOR THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW DENNIS AND I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
BUT THERE ARE A LIST OF POTENTIAL AMENITIES UNDER SECTION ONE 30 DASH THREE.
AND I THINK COUPLE 'EM ARE DOING.
SO A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE DOING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL SIGNIFICANT SIX MAY NOT HIT SIGNIFICANT JOBS.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THIS LOT.
SO MEGAN HAS JUST IDENTIFIED THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES GETTING INTO THAT AREA BY PIER ONE.
AND WHAT'S THE ONE NEXT TO IT? BETWEEN THAT AND THE OLIVE GARDEN? THERE'S A OPTICAL STORE OVER THERE AND THERE'S A GAMING STORE GAME, STORE STORE.
OH, THAT'S WHERE LIKE THE FEDEX IS? YEAH.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN IMPROVE, IMPROVE SOME CURB SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THOSE TWO PARKING LOTS.
AND I DON'T WANT, HOWEVER, THE CURBS ARE TO RESTRICT HIS ABILITY TO GET HIS PRODUCT INTO, WELL, TO PARK ALSO, THERE'S NO CURB IN THAT PLACE.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M THINKING IN THE DRIVEWAY PARKING STANDARDS, BUT WHAT, SO WE, WE'VE GOT LIKE THE ENTRANCE HERE AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC LOAD SOMEHOW IN THIS AREA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER SIGNIFICANT AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUE ALL THIS WAY DOWN.
THERE'S NOT ANY LIKE REAL SCREENING OR LANDSCAPING.
I MEAN, SO IT'S A, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO THE AESTHETICS AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE IT, BECAUSE THIS ZONING MAYBE THAT ENTIRE REACH GUYS, SARAH WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR THREE CONVERSATIONS.
SO IF WE CAN, UM, GET SOME, STILL GET SOME SORT OF A AESTHETICS THAT WOULD HIT NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, YOU HAVE TO, THERE'S ANY COMBINATION OF AMENITIES OR CASH IN LIEU OF ANY AMENITIES.
SO IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF OTHER IMPROVEMENT EITHER TO ACCESS PLUS OR TRANSPORTATION ACCESS, THERE'S I THINK SOME PARKLAND ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MALL.
I, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HIT.
ASSUMING THAT THIS QUALIFIES AS A CAR LOT, WE WANNA USE INCENTIVE ZONING.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION THERE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S TOUGH IS, OKAY, WE GO BACK, WE SIT IN OUR OFFICE AND WE GO, OKAY, WELL LET'S GO GUESS AND SEE IF THIS IS WHAT IT'S YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S LIKE HOW, HOW CAN WE GET SOME CONCRETE, LIKE TO, TO YOUR POINT IS, IS IS WE WANT TO GO, WE'RE GONNA PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING EMPTY FOR A YEAR, SO NOW YOU WANT TO TALK INCENTIVE, YOU TALK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND SO FORTH.
SO YEAH, I HEAR YOU COULD HAVE WHAT CONCRETE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY ELSE GONE THROUGH THIS YET, SO WE'RE FIGURING THIS OUT TOO.
BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A TIME IN AN EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT TIMELINE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR ALL.
IT'S VERY, THEY HAVE 40 DAYS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU HAVE 40 DAYS FROM TODAY, THEN THE TOWN, RIGHT FROM TO THE, FROM THE APPLICATION DATE.
I BELIEVE I PUT MY MEMO THAT BY DECEMBER 3RD, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE, SO WHAT CONSTITUTES THE APPLICATION DATE? WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT WE CAN SUGGEST, I THINK THAT THERE'S A UNIVERSAL OPINION BY, YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HERE THAT SOME SORT OF ENHANCEMENT LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WELL, AND I THINK FROM YOUR BUSINESS STANDPOINT TOO, YOU MAY WANT SOMETHING ENHANCEMENT TO YEAH, ESPECIALLY LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE PEOPLE PULL IN, YOU MAY WANT A LITTLE LANDSCAPE SCREENING TO PREVENT, SAY SNOW BACKUP MM-HMM
AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM GETTING TOO CLOSE TO YOUR MERCHANDISE BEFORE IT'S PUT IN THE SHOWROOM.
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THE LAW, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.THE LAW REQUIRES A SKETCH ONE, RIGHT? WHAT, WELL IF THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED UNDER THE, UNDER THE EXISTING CODE, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? SKETCH TWO IS YOUR PLAN.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO, WE CAN ALL VISION BASICALLY.
IT WOULD JUST BE WHAT IT IS NOW.
RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING THE TEAR BUILDINGS DOWN AND DOING ANYTHING.
I THINK WE NEED A SKETCH PLAN THAT SHOWS A, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPERTY'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND YOU'RE GONNA DO, ARE YOU MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING OR JUST INTERNAL? EXTERNAL? I THINK THERE'S GONNA TO BE SOME KIND OF CHANGE.
SO YOU CAN GET THE VEHICLES INTO THE BUILDING.
THERE WILL BE ON THE, THE STREET THAT FACES THE MALL, THERE'LL BE TWO DELIVERY BAYS WHICH HAVE GLASS SLIDING DOORS THAT OPEN UP.
SO THE, THE, THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING THE MALL WILL ACTUALLY GET DRESSED UP AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE INSIDE THE BUILDING THERE FROM THE BAY.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL THAT IS, IS YOU SEE A, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE ANYWAYS.
PERHAPS UPDATE THE OTHER SIDE FEEL BETTER.
SO THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS AN INCENTIVE TO THE ENTIRE MALL COMPLEXES IS YOU'VE GOT A BUS STOP HERE WITH NO PEDE, NO.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO SOME SORT OF IMPROVEMENT TO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THE BUS TO THE MALL.
THAT'S A GREATER, GREATER COMMUNITY INCENTIVE.
WELL, AND I'M THINKING TOO, YOU MAY HAVE CUSTOMERS TAKING THE BUS TO, OR NEEDING TO BE DROPPED OFF OR MAYBE SOME SORT OF LOADING DROP OFF ZONE FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE MALL OR, UM, SO THAT'S ON THE LIST.
I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA IMPROVE ANY, THERE'S NOT REALLY INFRASTRUCTURE HERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A PARK.
THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
OH, I GUESS THE BUILDING ITSELF, I MEAN I THINK THAT SOME SORT OF COMBINATION OR AMENITIES OR CASH AND MOVE OF THE AMENITIES.
THERE'S, IT'S LIKE ANOTHER OPTION ON THE TABLE IF WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW WITH OR WITHOUT THE INCENTIVE ZONING.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A PARK AND SOME SLIGHTLY ISOLATED CORRECTLY THAT CAN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE THE BACK AREA OF THE MALL.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE OR ENHANCE THE USE OF THAT.
WHERE'S THE I IDEA? I DROVE AROUND AND SAY I DIDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SARAH CAN, BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT IT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, SARAH CAN TELL YOU WHERE IT IS.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO ENHANCE, MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF PROJECT THAT THEY HAD WANTED TO DO TO IMPROVE THAT.
IT'S EASY TO FIND BECAUSE ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S ZONED PR BECAUSE WE TOOK ADJOINING PROPERTY AND ZONED IT PR TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS WERE WORRIED THAT WHEN THE MALL WAS SOLD, PEOPLE WERE GONNA BUY THAT LAND AND DEVELOP IT AND WE'RE BRING THE MALL OR THE DEVELOPMENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW MANY SO THE TOWN MADE SURE THAT THAT, OKAY.
I MEAN THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE A THING BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR THE MCKINLEY MALL MALL.
YOU SAID THERE WAS SIX JOBS? FULL-TIME, PART-TIME.
AVERAGE, UH, AVERAGE, UH, COMPENSATION IS ABOUT $67,000.
AND BY THE WAY, I HAVEN'T LOST THE ISSUE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
I WILL BRING IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
IT HAS TO BE AN INTERPRETATION BY, UH, BY THAT WE'RE DETERMINING THAT THIS IS A RETAIL USE AND NOT A USED CAR LOT.
AND THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THIS.
YOU'LL JUST COME IN AND GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS IF THAT, HOW MANY HAVE 'EM LOOK INTO IT? BUT YEAH, I MEAN WE WOULD NEED SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE IF THAT'S THAT THE, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT'S WHERE THE SIGNATURE FOR THE FINAL DOCUMENTS ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S IN THIS LOCATION.
OH, THE SIGNATURE FOR THE FINAL DOCUMENTS IS AT THIS LOCATION.
NO, I THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YEAH, IT WON'T GET A LICENSE.
THAT'S WHY THERE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME TO US WHEN THEY WANT TO SELL.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A HOUSE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE GUY GOES, HEY, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DO ADVERTISING ON, WE STILL CONSIDER A USED CAR LOT BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO GO GET A, A LICENSE TO SELL VEHICLES.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NO VEHICLES ON THE SITE, SO THAT'S WHY THE INTERPRETATION HAS BEEN THAT WAY.
BUT BY ALL MEANS, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE CONSIDERED A USED CAR LOT.
THEY'RE THE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET A LICENSE FOR.
WHAT'S THAT USED CAR BUSINESS? BUSINESS.
WE'RE NOT RUNNING, WE'RE NOT RUNNING A LOT.
NEW TO YOU AND DENNIS AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
WELL THAT'S, YOU CAN MAKE THAT STRONG RECOMMENDATION TO THE, THE TOWN BOARD ONE LIST.
YOU HAVE A TOWN BOARD MEMBER SITTING HERE, SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING, SOME SORT OF, THERE'S OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE SEVEN WOULD BE AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HIT SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEN IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING MAYBE TO HELP THE, THE PARK, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN THE REST DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WOULD TALK TO, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S
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SARAH, MARTY DE MARTY DENNIS.AND IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT SHOWS US HOW YOU TOOK THOSE, THAT'S MM-HMM
WELL, AND I THINK LIKE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON HOW MANY YES.
DELIVERIES YOU'RE ANTICIPATING A DAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE TO FIVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S THREE CARS THAT COME IN EVERY TIME.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET DELIVERIES PROBABLY THREE TIMES A WEEK AND IT'LL BE PROBABLY TWO OR THREE CARS.
TWO OR THREE CARS COMING OR TWO OR THREE TRAILERS COMING IN.
TWO TO THREE TRAILERS PER WEEK ARE COMING IN PER, UH, THREE TIMES A DAY.
EXCUSE ME, THREE TIMES A WEEK.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THREE TIMES A WEEK.
OKAY, SO NINE DELIVERIES TOTAL DURING CORRECT WEEK.
AND THEN WHAT HOURS ARE WE AN LIKE, DO THOSE, THOSE COMING BETWEEN BUSINESS HOURS AT 10 TO SIX.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO MAYBE TO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHEN YOU FIGURE OUT THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW BUS THAT SUITS YOUR BUSINESS, IT MAY CREATE A ROAD IMPROVEMENT OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE MALL.
LIKE WHEN YOU ARE, PEOPLE GO IN AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ON LOGGING THOSE TRUCKS, PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA NEED TO GET IN AND OUT.
WELL THEY HAVE, AND THE WAY IT WAS, LET ME SHOW YOU THIS THE WAY IT WAS.
AND SO I WAS GONNA SHOW YOU, IS THEY, THEY BACKED IN THERE AND LOADED IN THE BACK.
SO THAT'S WITH A TIER ONE THAT'S A SEMI RIGHT? THERE'S, THAT'S THE PART ALREADY.
HOW MANY VEHICLE OUTTA TRUCK COMING, COMING IN NINE TIMES A WEEK? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN P ONE WAS.
SO PERHAPS YOUR PEOPLE WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW BEST THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT AND THROUGH THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD CHECK OFF ONE OF YOUR ROAD IMPROVEMENT BOXES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE TRAFFIC FLOW.
ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE, EVEN IF IT IN RETURN BENEFITS YOUR BUSINESS, WE CAN USE TO CHECK OFF SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO, UH, YOU, YOU SAID THERE WERE ABOUT TWO TO THREE CARS PER LOAD.
IT'S NOT THE BIG SEMIS THAT YOU SEE GOING DOWN.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE BACK OF A, IT'S IN THE BACK OF A TWO 50 OF THE NO.
I DON'T, I'M SURE IF YOU SHOW IT TO ONE OF YOUR OTHER FACILITY MANAGERS, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, WELL IF YOU JUST DO THIS, IT'LL MAKE EVERYTHING FLOW BETTER.
IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO THEN WE CAN CHECK OFF ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
IF YOU CAN MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO FOR THE WALL.
SO YOU'RE COMING IN BECAUSE RIGHT WHEN YOU PULL IN, IF HE, IF YOUR TRUCK IS PULLING IN, IT MAY INITIALLY IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC OF THOSE BUSINESSES ALONGSIDE YOU, BUT I'M SURE YOU HAVE A WAY TO DO GET AROUND IT.
SO JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE IT WORK.
HE'S PULLING IN BACK ALONG HERE.
THEN THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HERE.
NO, HE'S SAYING HE'S PULLING IN RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS GONNA BLOCK ALL THIS PARKING HERE.
SO HE SHOWS ME SOMEONE HERE, BUT IT BLOCKS ALL THESE PARTS HERE THAT'S NOT PARKING BACK THERE.
THOSE ARE PARKING FRONT ON, ON, ON THE OPPOSITE PROPERTY.
BUT YOU CAN'T BLOCK THE OPPOSITE PROPERTY.
JUST HAVE YOUR PEOPLE LOOK AT IT.
WELL I JUST, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON THE, IF THAT'S THE, THE INITIAL DESIGN AND WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THAT'S LIKE A STEPS PLAN OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
THAT GOES LAYOUT AND THE TRAFFIC.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE GOT PUT ON THE, THE THIRD AND IT WAS TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS OVERALL BUSINESS.
AND SO, YEAH, I GOT THE SKETCH PLAN YESTERDAY, WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE HERE.
I DIDN'T HAVE IT BY FRIDAY TO SEND TO YOU GUYS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO OFFLOAD.
WHICH IS GONNA BLOCK IT OUT BASICALLY.
IF HE TAKES IT WELL THAT'S ONLY GONNA, THE SIZE OF PICKUP TRUCK.
IT BIGGER THAN A, IT'S JUST A FLATBED, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A FORD F-150.
IT'S A FORD F TWO 50 THAT'S GOT A TRAILER ON THE BACK OF IT.
YOU KNOW THE GUYS RUN WITH THE, THE LAWNMOWERS AND STUFF.
BUT WHEN IT'S SHOWING ON HIS PICTURE, THE, SEE THESE CARS HERE RIGHT HERE IS THE SEMI.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SEMI, IT'S NOT A SEMI NO, I KNOW, BUT IT'S THE SAME WIDTH.
LIKE IT'S, NO, NO, IT'S A SEMI IS HUGE AN F-150 OR EVEN THE FIVE 50.
IT'S NOWHERE NEAR IS ONE A SEMI? I KNOW I GOT HIT BY ONE.
SO I, THIS IS OUR POINT OF STRESS.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ANSWERED OUR QUESTION.
THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION TOO, WOULDN'T YOU JUST, WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM CURRENTLY USING THIS VACANT PARKING LOT SPACE? WE ABSOLUTELY COULD.
LIKE, AND THEN YOU COULD PERHAPS FIGURE OUT THE BEST TRAFFIC FLOW TO GET YOUR THINGS IN THERE.
SO THIS, YOU MAY GET OVER THERE AND REALIZE LIKE THIS PARKING JUST NEEDS, YOU KNOW, WELL IT A NEW LAYER OF SAY YEAH
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SPRUCING UP FOR LIKE A SMALL PAD THAT YOUR CARS DON'T SPEED UP.I'M TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO HELP YOU CHECK THAT BOX.
BUT ALSO, SO ALL THIS BACON RIGHT HERE, NOBODY'S USING THIS SO HE CAN SAY THIS IS IT, BUT IF IT'S DILAPIDATED AND TODAY HAS GIANT POTHOLES, IF THEY'RE FIXING IT UP, WE CAN CHECK OFF BOX SEVEN SAYING HEY, OH YEAH, THERE THING HE CAN DO.
ACTUALLY HE CAN OFFLOAD RIGHT IN THE FRONT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS.
I MEAN IT'S SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOT CUSTOMERS THERE SO HE COULD ACTUALLY OFF OFFLOAD THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A DELIVERY, LET'S SAY ONE ONE AND EVERY HOUR.
NO, NO, WE'RE GETTING THREE TIMES WEEK USUALLY MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY WE GET ABOUT THREE DELIVERIES.
SO GOT THREE DELIVERIES WITH WHAT? THREE THREE CARS MATCH.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH CAN WE CAN PULL RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP HIM FIND AS MANY WAYS TO CHECK OFF THOSE BOXES.
WELL YEAH, BUILD A BASEBALL FIELD THERE FOR RECREATION.
BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND, TRYING FOR HIM TO CHECK THE BOXES AND BENEFIT HIM AT THE SAME TIME.
HE'S LIKE STILL THIS, RIGHT? DOUG'S NOT HERE AND DENNIS HAS GONE IN, SO PLEASE REPORT THAT BACK.
NO, IT'S JUST, I LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE GONNA AND AND TO, OKAY.
SO I THINK GOING TO THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHER DEVELOP ANY OTHER COMPANY OR PROJECT CAN GO IN THERE AND MEET THOSE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, MANY FACILITIES, PARK RECREATION, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO, WE'RE NOT ASKING, YOU CAN PICK ONE OR TWO OF THOSE THINGS.
THEY'RE OF, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THEM.
SO I THINK GETTING A LITTLE HUNG UP ON YES, I THINK WE CAN GIVE SOME IDEAS.
I THINK THAT WE CAN PERHAPS TABLE THIS.
WE'RE GONNA SEE HIM AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.
LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT PROCESS.
THAT'S WAS MY, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS.
SO HE WILL COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND HAVE THE STUFF BEFORE TO THEM THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN, SO HE CAN GO BACK TO HIS HEADQUARTERS AND PICK OUT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT FEASIBLE, THAT THAT DOCUMENT EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN TWO WEEKS OR IT WOULD BE, WORST CASE WOULD BE DECEMBER 3RD.
ONCE THIS BOARD MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THEY'LL NEED OUR MEETING ON THE FIRST, RIGHT? DECEMBER 1ST, DECEMBER 1ST, FIRST IT WOULD THEN GO TO, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE TO LOOK HOW MANY TOWN BOARD MEETINGS ARE IN THIS.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE IN NOVEMBER OF ONE IN DECEMBER, WHICH, WHAT'S THE DATE OF DECEMBER? IT'S GONNA BE AFTER THE FIRST.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE AFTER THE FIRST.
THE TOWN BOARD WILL GET YOUR REPORT.
THEY WILL CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
PUBLIC HEARING SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE IN JANUARY.
AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY COULD TECHNICALLY APPROVE IT THAT NIGHT.
BUT USUALLY THEY TABLE THE NEXT, THE PROBLEM I KNOW IN JANUARY IS THAT USUALLY THE TOWN BOARD MEETING IS THEIR REOR MEETING REORGANIZATION.
SO AGAIN, HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHEN HE COULD POTENTIALLY GET APPROVALS.
IT'S GONNA CLOSE THAT JANUARY SINCE THERE'S ONLY TWO, UH, ONE TOWN BOARD MEETING A MONTH.
AND EVEN IF WE DID ANYTHING AT THE NEXT MEETING, I DON'T THINK THAT THE TOWN BOARD MEETS AGAIN.
I DON'T DO THEY MEET THANKSGIVING WEEK? THEY DON'T MEET THANKSGIVING.
SO THEY WILL NOT MEET UNTIL THE FE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.
SO THEY HAVE ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER, BUT IT'S IT'S GONNA BE BEFORE THE 17TH.
SO LET'S GET US YOUR BEST PROPOSAL.
WE'LL TALK TO YOU AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS IF THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 17TH? I'M, I'M STILL, I'M STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO AS A BOARD WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION TO SEND IT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD TAKES OUR RECOMMENDATION, HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKES A DECISION.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD BY DECEMBER 1ST.
WE EITHER DO IT ON TWO WEEKS OR WE'LL DO IT DECEMBER 1ST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GAIN YOU ANY TIME.
WELL I THINK WE MAY NEED SOME TIME TO WRITE IT UP.
WE CAN PREPARE SOMETHING BASED ON WHAT WE GET AT THE NEXT MEETING.
PREPARE SOMETHING, FINALIZE IT, AND GO ON IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DECEMBER MEETING.
WE CAN LET, SARAH CAN LET THE TOWN BOARD KNOW THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING APPRO SOMETHING AS THE MEETING ON THE FIRST, WHATEVER OUR DECISION IS AND RECOMMENDATION IS.
GET A RESOLUTION TO CALL PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
YOU GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN, NOW IF YOU GET A RECOMMENDATION, THIS BOARD ON THE 1ST OF DECEMBER, THERE'S ONLY ONE DECEMBER TOWN BOARD MEETING.
AND IT'S AFTER THE FIRST, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD AT THAT MEETING IN DECEMBER, WHENEVER IT IS.
THEY'RE GONNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY, RIGHT? JANUARY 3RD IS A MONDAY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MEET THAT DAY.
IF THEY DO, IT'S GONNA BE REORGED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A REGULAR MEETING.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE 10TH OR THE 17TH OF JANUARY THAT YOU WOULD GET A PARTY HEARING MAY, REGARDLESS OF WHEN THEY DO, AS LONG AS THEY DO THEIR RECOMMENDATION HERE BY THE 1ST OF DECEMBER.
THAT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE CAPITAL.
SO WE, SO THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU IS TO PROVIDE US SOME SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO THAT MEETS THE INCENTIVE PERFORMANCE.
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BASED ON THAT, OKAY.AND THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED, WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO THE TEMPLATES.
AND THEN FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN IS THE, THEY APPROVE IT THAT NIGHT OR THEY TYPICALLY TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS SO THEY COULD WRITE UP RESOLUTIONS FOR APPROVAL.
TYPICALLY WHAT THEY DO, SO YOUR BEST CASE SCENARIOS, MAYBE LATER IN JANUARY, IF THEY HAVE A SECOND MEETING, I'D SAY, WELL THERE ARE, THERE'S, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL APPROVE SOMETHING AT A
AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT UM, IF THERE'S ANY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
WELL, TOO IS A, SO JUST, JUST TO LET THE BOARD KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE THE REPORT YOU PUT TOGETHER WILL BE THE LOGIC AND REASONING WHETHER THE SORT OF THE DOWN BOARD TO MAKE THEIR DECISION.
AND LIKE I SAID DENNIS, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S THE FIRST PROJECT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY USE THE LOGIC AND REASONING AND DO IT.
SO THEY SEND A GOOD MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT HEY, WE'RE INTERESTED AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS.
BUT ALSO THAT WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN THAT IS NOT JUST EVERYBODY CAN COME IN AND ASK FOR ANYTHING AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE 'EM INCENTIVE ZONING JUST BECAUSE WE WANT THEM ALL FILLED.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT DOES GOOD FOR THE TOWN AND ENCOURAGES THE REST OF THE MALL TO BE DEVELOPED AND NOT TURN PEOPLE AWAY.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT MUTUALLY BENEFIT EXPERIENCE QUICK.
IT'S CLEAN AND THE, SO I THINK, AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
IF EVERYBODY AGREES, ANYBODY ON THE BOARD AND SARAH CAN RELAY THIS TO THOSE NOT YOUR TIME.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE INCLUDED IN WHATEVER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEY CAN SEND IT TO SARAH.
SHE CAN START COMPILING SOME OF THAT AND WE WILL, WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S OUR MARCHING ORDERS ON THIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO REVIEW THIS.
AND THIS IS ON OUR NEXT WEEK AGENDA.
SO THIS WILL BE OUR NEXT DISCUSSION AND WE MAKE A DECISION BY DECEMBER.
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BY DECEMBER 13TH, BUT YOUR ONLY MEETING BEFORE THAT IS DECEMBER 1ST.
SO WE MAY NEED TO DISCUSS A SPECIAL MEETING TO GIVE YOU GUYS MAYBE AN EXTRA WEEK OR SO BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ONLY HAVE, SO LET'S DO, WE WANNA DO, DON'T WE TYPICALLY DO, UM, AN END OF YEAR ATTORNEY MEETING ANYWAYS.
SO DO A SPECIAL MEETING AND HAVE IT ALSO BE JUST COINCIDE SO THAT WE'RE NOT YOUR MULTIPLE LIFE.
I WILL REFER THAT BACK TO OUR CHAIR.
AND WE'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT THE THOUGHT IS AND BECAUSE I THINK AT SOME POINT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO EITHER THE FIRST STEP IN THE 45 DAYS IS ACCEPTING THIS OR NOT WORTH SENDING THEM DEFICIENCIES BACK.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO MEET WITH JENNIFER AFTER THAT TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
SO, AND CAN, IN GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, USE THE SCOPING.
IT HAS TO, YOU HAVE TO REFER TO THE SCOPING DOCK.
DID THEY DO IT? DID THEY DO IT CORRECTLY? NOT IF YOU AGREE WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR CONCLUSIONS.
REMEMBER THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS DID THEY, DID THEY DO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO? AND THEY DID THEY DO IT CORRECTLY TOO? NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY THREW SOMETHING ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAID, HEY, WE DID THAT, BUT THEY DID DO IT CORRECTLY.
BUT DON'T, YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION, HEY, WE ASKED THEM TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THE CONCLUSION IS IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
YOU CAN'T REJECT IT BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS AFTER YOU ACCEPT IT, THEN YOU CAN GO AND HIRE YOUR INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO SAY, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THE DEVELOPER, IT'S HIS OPINION, HIS OR HER OPINION.
AND THEN YOUR OPINION IS THE FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND THEN YOU MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT'S OPINION, YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND THEN YOUR FINDINGS ARE THEN BASED UPON THOSE OPINIONS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
SARAH, CAN THE APPLICANT PROVIDE US A WORD VERSION OF THE TEXT PORTION OF THIS CAN ASK.
TODAY'S MODERN WORLD, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SINCE YOU'RE ONLY ON A WORK SESSION.
YOU DON'T HAVE ME MINUTES OR ANYTHING TONIGHT, SO YES.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SARAH, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS YOU NEED US TO THINK ABOUT HERE? UM, WE CAN'T APPROVE MINUTES, JEN.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS ON THE WORK SESSION, SO I WOULD, CAN'T MAKE A DECISION TO END THE WORK SESSION OR AM I ALLOWED TO END THE WORK? NO, WE
BUT WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO, AND I JUST END NO, BILL USUALLY JUST SAYS SESSIONS ENDED.
KEEP IN MIND, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE BUSY, OBVIOUSLY.