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RIGHT NOW.OKAY, LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION FOR TODAY IS PEOPLE INC REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING PUD BORDERED BY ANFIELD ROAD, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, ROGERS CLOVER BANK, IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO THE COURT WANTS, UM, THIS IS REFERRED TO YOU ON MONDAY NIGHT BY THE SOMEONE BY THE
PD WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE EIGHTIES, I THINK, THINK AND, UM, LIKE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS IN THERE.
WHAT THEY WANNA DO ON THAT CORNER DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL.
IF THEY GET IT AMENDED, THEN THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOUR FOR SITE MANAGER.
AND THE TOWN BOARD WOULD'VE TO AMEND IT.
AND, AND BECAUSE OF MY DAY JOB, I'M NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS.
SO, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON MCCARTHY.
ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS PEOPLE INC.
I'M GONNA LET THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PROJECT TEAM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING AT YOUR WORK SESSION FOR A SIMPLE INTRODUCTORY PRESENTATION.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PROJECT WAS, SOLICIT ANY INPUT YOU MAY HAVE.
AS SARAH INDICATED, UH, THIS DOES REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DUD TOWN BOARD DID REFER THIS PROJECT TO YOU DURING ITS MEETING MONDAY EVENING.
ULTIMATELY, I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE LEAD AGENCY AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE PUD.
IF AND WHEN THAT IS APPROVED, THEN WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND OF COURSE, YOU'LL SERVE AN ADVISORY CAPACITY ON THAT PUV AMENDMENT.
SO JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE, I THINK ALL, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, REMEMBER THE, FOR BRIER, UH, BRIARWOOD APARTMENTS WERE PRESENTED.
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IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR AGO.WE'RE WORKING ON THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.
UM, YOU GUYS RECOMMENDED THE REZONING OF A COUPLE OF THE PARCELS AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED IT THIS YEAR.
THE DAYCARE, YEAH, IT'S OVER HERE.
THE DAYCARE PARCELS LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE APARTMENTS WERE THE ONE NEXT OVER, RIGHT? DAYCARE'S OVER HERE? YES.
SO HERE, RIGHT, RIGHT OVER HERE.
UM, THE SITE ZONE, PUD, WHY WE HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU IS 'CAUSE UNLIKE SOME OTHER PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PROJECT, WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PUD WAY BACK WHEN, ABOUT THREE DECADES AGO WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, WAS COMMERCIAL ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I THINK SARAH PROBABLY DISTRIBUTED A COPY OF THE PLANS THAT WERE FROM WAY BACK THEN.
AND WHAT IT SHOWED AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS A 15,600 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING WITH APARTMENTS, A 3,224 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND 3,952 SQUARE FEET SPECIALTY RETAIL BUILDINGS.
SO THERE WAS THREE BUILDINGS, PARKINGS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
OBVIOUSLY THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TWO THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, ONE LITTLE FRONT ON ROGERS ROAD, WHICH WE'RE DENOTING AS BUILDING B.
AND THEN ONE HERE, WHICH WE'RE DENOTING IS BUILDING A WILL BE SOME AMENITIES BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
BUILDING A, WHICH IS THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WILL CONSIST OF 35 UNITS.
32 OF THOSE WILL BE ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND THREE OF THEM WILL BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
BUILDING B, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'LL BE MORE VISIBLE, OF COURSE FROM THE ROGERS ROAD FRONTAGE, WILL CONSIST OF 49 UNITS, 40 OF WHICH WILL BE ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND NINE OF WHICH WILL BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT JOSLYN AND LONG ASSOCIATES AND THE TEAM HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING INTERESTING IN TERMS OF AN AMENITY PACKAGE ON THIS SITE.
SO WE ARE SHOWING AN OUTDOOR AREA OF A SEATING, ACTUALLY A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, COMMUNITY GARDEN PLOTS TOO BAD.
DREW'S NOT HERE, YOU KNOW, HE BRINGS THAT UP ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT DREW'S BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS.
UH, OUTDOOR GAMING AREA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THIS WHOLE AREA WILL BE KIND OF A COOL AREA THAT'LL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF BOTH BUILDINGS.
JOLY, I'M GONNA LET YOU EXPLAIN REAL QUICK.
JASMINE, I'M GONNA LET YOU EXPLAIN REAL QUICK IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NATURE OF THIS HOUSING IS AND THE AFFORDABILITY ELEMENTS.
UH, THE AFFORDABILITY IS UP TO 60% OF MEETING INCOME.
K BUILDING THAT SEAN DESCRIBED IS INTENDED FOR SENIORS AGE 55 AND UP.
UH, AND B IS FOR BASICALLY INDIVIDUALS 18 YEARS AND UP.
AND WE LOOK AT IT, UM, BASICALLY AS A YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG FAMILIES JUST STARTING OUT.
FIRST PLACE THAT THEY MOVED OUT OF MOM OR DAD'S HOUSE.
THE ONE BEDROOMS, THE INCOME OR RENTS RANGE FROM 636 UP TO 8 28.
SO IT'S 60% OR LESS, OR 50% OR LESS OF MEDIAN INCOME.
THE MEDIAN INCOME IN THIS AREA IS 78,900.
SO YOU'RE TALKING INCOMES FOR THE ONE BEDROOM FROM 27 6 50 MAX.
AND THEN THE TWO BEDROOMS, THE MAX INCOMES, WHICH ARE SET ANNUALLY BY THE WAY.
SO BY THE TIME WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THIS, IT'LL PROBABLY GO UP IS 35, 5 50 UP TO 42,660.
AND ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AND PEOPLE INC, HAS USED THIS SUCCESSFULLY IN OTHER PROJECTS IS PROVIDING A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS ON SITE.
MEANING ALLOWING ELDERLY THAT LIVE IN THESE UNITS TO MIX WITH YOUNGER PEOPLE TO GET OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER THAT OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT.
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER.
SO IT'S KIND OF A GROWING TREND IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS.
NUMBER ONE, WE ARE SHOWING A SINGLE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION ONTO ROGERS ROAD.
WE JUST DID RECEIVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FROM SRF ASSOCIATES.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'LL BE SUBMITTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
WE ARE SHOWING 105 PARKING SPACES.
OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WILL NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED BY THIS BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE INC.
IS VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THAT IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR THEIR PARKING NEEDS.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE PARKING THAT'S NEEDED ON THIS SITE.
WE ARE SHOWING APPROXIMATELY 27 TO 28% LANDSCAPING AND GREEN SPACE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STAGE OF THIS PROJECT, A LANDSCAPING PLAN WOULD BE SUBMITTED AND SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
I'M GONNA LET MARK GO OVER QUICKLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF THE ELEVATIONS BEFORE HE BEGINS THAT.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE ELEVATIONS AT THIS JUNCTURE ARE STILL CONCEPTUAL, SO THEY'RE SUBJECT OF
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FURTHER REVIEW AND MODIFICATIONS, BUT, UH, LONG ASSOCIATES IN THAT TEAM HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT.SO WHY DON'T GIVE A, A QUICK OVERVIEW WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON THE PARCEL? OH YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO THE PUD THAT IS IN PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY, IS IT JUST FOR THIS PARCEL OR IS IT PART OF THE OVERALL SAME PUD THAT WE WERE A BIG, IT'S THE SAME OVERALL.
SO, WHICH I THINK IT WAS LIKE 30 ACRES MORE OR LESS.
SO THE REASON THAT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT AS OPPOSED TO A, AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW PUD IS BECAUSE IT'S STILL WITHIN THE OTHER PUD? NO.
THE REASON WHY THIS IS AN AMENDMENT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME IN FRONT OF YOU IS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK BACK AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED HERE, IT'S CLEAR CLEARLY A CHANGE IN THE NATURE OF THE USE.
MEANING WE'RE GOING FROM COMMERCIAL OH YEAH.
BUT ANY CHANGE TO THE PUD BASICALLY SETS FORTH LIKE WHAT THE ZONING IS.
IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENT OF THE PUD IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY BUILD WHAT YOU'VE HAD APPROVED.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT REVERT TO THE PRIOR ZONING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS CAN THIS ELEMENT REVERT TO THE PRIOR ZONING AND WOULD IT BE CORRECTLY ZONED IF IT WASN'T PART OF THE PUD? NO.
SO I THINK THE WAY, I THINK THE WAY THE PUD LANGUAGE NOTES, AND I HAVE A COPY IF WE WANNA LOOK AT IT, WHAT IT SAYS IS IT DOESN'T REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING.
IT JUST SAYS THAT IF YOU MAKE MODIFICATIONS, YOU HAVE TO COME IN FOR A PUD AMENDMENT, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE REZONING PROCESS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE HERE FOR THIS TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE OTHER PUD OR FOR IT TO HAVE A NEW PUD THAT'S JUST THIS SEGMENT OF THE PARCEL? THINK THE PROCESS IS THE SAME.
I MEAN, I THINK THE PROCESS IS THE SAME, BUT I GUESS FOR FUTURE AS IT GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD THEN SEGMENT IT OUT FROM RIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS YOU LAWYERS CAN GET YOUR WORK OUT OF FIGURING THIS, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUD JUST THIS AS ITS OWN THING, RIGHT? OR TO CONTINUALLY BE WORKING ON THE BROADER, THE BROADER PROJECT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE ZONING AND WHAT YOU DO HERE MM-HMM
IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON THIS INTENT LINKED TO ALL THE REST OF IT.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'D WANNA HAVE TO, PERHAPS THEY CAN BE SEPARATED.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
I WOULD, I, BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND AGAIN, I WELCOME JENNIFER'S INPUT IN THE PAST, HOW IT'S BEEN REVIEWED IS IT'S AN OVERALL PUD AND EACH TIME YOU CHANGE A USE WITHIN IT, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD I WOULD AGREE WITH.
I DON'T THINK IT EVER REVERTS BACK BECAUSE ONCE IT'S CHANGED, IT'S CHANGED.
SO JUST, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS IS ITS OWN PARCEL, CORRECT? IT WILL BE.
SO IT WILL BECOME ITS OWN PARCEL.
DOES IT WANNA BE LINKED FOREVER, 25 YEARS FROM NOW TO THE PUD FOR THE REST WHEN IT BECOMES ITS OWN PARCEL? OR DOES THIS OWN PARCEL WANT TO BECOME ITS OWN? YES.
I I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LINKED BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOOK AT IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUD AROUND IT.
SO TO, TO SEE IF THIS NOT NOT ONLY MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PARCEL LOAN, BUT MAKES SENSE FOR WHAT'S PLANNED ON THE PUD AND THE ADJACENT PARCELS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THERE'S NO, AND I ALSO THINK FOR REP, LIKE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, PICTURE ANOTHER, I MEAN, IF IT'S FOREVER, EVEN THOUGH WHEN IT BECOMES A SEPARATE PARCEL, IT'S FOREVER PART OF THE PUD.
EVEN IF ITS, I THINK THAT'S HOW, I THINK HOW I, I THINK THAT'S HOW THE TOWN WOULD WANT IT.
'CAUSE THINK ABOUT IF SOMEONE COMES IN 14 YEARS FROM NOW AND SOME OR NONE OF US ARE HERE, I THINK YOU STILL WANT A RECORD OF WHAT THE OVERALL PUD IS.
SO YOU'VE SEEN WHERE THAT PROJECT FITS IN IT? I THINK I WOULD AGREE BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT REZONING.
SO IT WAS ZONED PUD QUOTE UNQUOTE ZONED PUD.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT HAS TO STAY THAT WAY.
SO IF YOU CAN'T UNLINK THEM,
THAT QUESTION IS LIKE, AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE HEARING REAL TIME THE REASONS I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE PUD ZONE IN GENERAL, RIGHT? I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT USE IT AND THERE'S, THERE'S REASONS FOR IT, BUT THE LIMITATIONS ARE THAT FOR THINGS WHERE THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS AND IT'S SEPARATE OUT IN MY HEAD, IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THIS TO BECOME REZONED, WHATEVER THIS MAKES SENSE IS, RIGHT.
RATHER IT WOULD BE R THREE RATHER THAN BEING PART OF THE P UUD.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE PURSUING IT, THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL, JUST SO, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WE WOULD HAVE THAT OPTION, MEANING WE COULD ASK FOR THIS TO BE REZONED FROM PUD TO R THREE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS EITHER WAY, BUT I I I THINK WE JUST LEAVE IT.
WELL, WE HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT ANYMORE.
NO, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY R THREE AROUND THERE, WHICH RIGHT.
I, I THINK IT, I, IT'S SOMETHING I PROBABLY HAVE TO TALK OVER WITH WALTER TOO, IF THAT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY.
BUT AGAIN, NOT OUR PREFERENCE.
OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE IT'S ALREADY ZONE P WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE WE GOTTA GO THROUGH BASICALLY THE REZONING PROCESS ANYWAY.
AND I, AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT PART THAT I AGREE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE REZONE IT,
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WE DO WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.SO I THINK THAT'S MORE THE QUESTION.
WE'RE TREATING IT LIKE A REZONE, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T
UNDERLYING ZONING STAYS IN PLACE.
WHAT'S APPROVED WITHIN THAT PD FOR THIS PROPERTY BECOMES THIS PROJECT IF WE GET APPROVED.
IT REPLACES WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED, AGAIN 30 YEARS AGO, WHICH IS MAKING MORE WORK FOR YOU.
AND MAYBE A QUESTION FOR WALTER ON IS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND YOU HAVE CONSIDERED WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE OVER THE LONG TERM TO THE TOWN, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PI THINK YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IF THERE'S ANY THREE OVER.
AND, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OVER THERE.
AND REMEMBER WHAT THE TOWN BOARD DID REFER WAS THE PV, SO LIKE PEOPLE MOVING DOWN THAT TRACK.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, SO DO YOU WANT, IS IT OKAY, MARK, REAL QUICK OVER WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF ELEVATION, PLEASE, JUST TO ORIENT YOURSELVES, UM, THE TWO MAIN ELEVATIONS THAT WE FOCUSED ON WERE THE ROGERS ROAD AND THE SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, UH, ELEVATIONS.
UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, THESE THREE RIGHT HERE NOW, UH, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YEAH, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, SO THESE TWO ARE BOTH THE ROGERS ROAD ELEVATIONS.
THEY'RE JUST TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
OPTION A, THEN OPTION B, SO WHEN WORKING THROUGH, AND THEN, AND THIS ONE HERE IS THE SOUTHWEST AND BOULEVARD ELEVATION.
SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO, OPTION A AND OPTION B IS JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND HERE, JUST TRYING TO PICK THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, ATTRIBUTE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GABLE ROOFS AND, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE HOME WINDOWS, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WHERE KIND OF ATTRIBUTES THAT WE WANTED TO PUT INTO THIS DESIGN.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN A, YOU KNOW, VERY NASCENT STAGES OF CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
UM, UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST A LINE OF ELEVATIONS, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW WE APPLIED SOME COLOR TO IT.
DOES YOUR TEAM HAVE A PREFERENCE? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
IS AN ARCHITECT DOING? UM, I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY CRITICISM OR COMMENTS, BUT WE COULDN'T REALLY DECIDE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO WE JUST DECIDED TO SHOW BOTH OF THEM.
SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE, UH, THIS PRODUCT CALLED LONGBOARD, WHICH IS AN ALUMINUM SIDING, AND THEN ALSO HARDY BOARD, WHICH IS A FIBER CEMENT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO USE BOTH OF THOSE, OR EITHER ONE OF THOSE, WHICHEVER WORKS BEST.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE SHOWING A COUPLE DIFFERENT COLORS OF BRICK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE HORIZONTAL BRICKS IN HERE.
WE WOULD ING EITHER OF A, A PRECAST CONCRETE, CONCRETE OR, UH, HAVE A SOLDIER COURSE BREAKING THOSE BRICK PORTIONS UP.
AND WE'RE SHOWING A, A BRICK, UH, WATER TABLE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE LOOKING AT THE ROGERS ROAD ELEVATION.
AND IF YOU SEE THE CENTER OF IT, UM, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME EXTERIOR PATIOS.
WE'RE SHOWING ONE ON EACH FLOOR ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.
THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT RECESS.
WE JUST THINK THAT'S A NICE AMENITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, SO THIS IS THE ROGERS ROAD ELEVATION AND THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD ELEVATION.
AND THIS SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD ELEVATION FOCUSES MOSTLY ON BUILDING A, WHICH IS THE SENIOR HOUSING BUILDING.
UM, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME VEIN AS, UH, THE, THE FAMILY BUILDING.
YOU JUST WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP THE SAME ELEMENTS WITH KIND OF DOING A, A LITTLE BIT OF A COLOR SWAP.
SO THE SAME KIND OF GABLE ELEMENT THAT WE USE WITH JUST A DIFFERENT LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT MATERIAL PALLET.
AND THE LAST THING THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE, UM, IS AN ATRIUM.
UM, HASN'T BEEN FULLY REALIZED YET, BUT WHAT WE'RE THINKING HERE IS A, A CENTRALIZED PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS OF EITHER BUILDING CAN ENTER AND THEN THEY GO TO THE RESPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE FAMILY HOUSING OR THE SENIOR BUILDING, UH, WITHIN, IN THIS AREA THERE COULD BE SPACES FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNAL SEATING.
UM, THERE'S A REALLY KIND OF WELCOMING ENTRY AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS OF BOTH BUILDINGS.
SO I MEAN, THE EMPHASIS OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE REAL EARLY, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO WHAT I WOULD CALL 1980 STYLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MEAN, THIS IS A, A BIG STEP UP.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE ARTICULATION, VERTICAL RELIEF, HORIZONTAL RELIEF USING RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL DESIGN.
AND I DO THINK MARK AND HIS TEAM DESERVE A LOT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY ACTUALLY GOING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAYING, HEY, LET'S, LET'S COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE THINK ULTIMATELY IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE THEMES IN THAT AREA.
WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WE GO FORWARD.
AND ALSO, JOCELYN, I THINK CAN CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE ARE NOW REVIEWED BY STATE AGENCIES, IT'S A BIG DEAL IN TERMS OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.
HOW DOES THE, HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
ALL THESE ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT.
WELL, WE'RE ALSO, I MEAN, BASICALLY WE'RE IN THE STARTING DATE, YOU KNOW, IS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
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AND WE ALWAYS, AS AN AGENCY, TAKE INPUT FROM BOARDS AS TO WHAT THEY MIGHT LIKE TO SEE.AND WE ANTICIPATE FUNDING GOING INTO HER FUNDING A YEAR FROM NOW.
SO THEN WE WOULD JUST TIMELINE SORT OF THEN WE WOULD HERE IN MAY OR JUNE START CONSTRUCTION, CAN'T BELIEVE THIS, UH, THE FALL OF 2023.
AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT AN 18 MONTH.
SO WE'D BE RUNNING UP 2024 PASS FAFSA QUESTION, MR. HOPKINS MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE NOT STUTTERING AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT AREN'T YOU, AREN'T YOU GONNA BE ALLOWING OH NO, WE ARE.
YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT STUTTERING ANYTHING AROUND 1980S.
OH, IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF YOU PICK, LIKE IF YOU COULD DRIVE AROUND WEST NEW YORK AND LOOK AT WHAT I WOULD SAY, OLDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, JUST DRIVING BY THEM, YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
'CAUSE THEY JUST WEREN'T BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARDS, YOU KNOW.
WELL, NOWADAYS, NOWADAYS THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.
WELL, BECAUSE YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S GONNA BE A MIXED SENIOR AND YOUNGER GENERATION.
AND YOU, AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE THESE PEOPLE INC.
IN THESE AREAS WHERE, WHERE, WHAT ARE, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE OPENING UP SHORTLY IN OAK, BUT THERE'S NO PRESENT ONE ON BL BLAZEDALE.
THERE IS A PRESENT, THERE'S ONE IN ORCHARD FROM SOUTHWEST.
UH, WELL, NO, THOSE ARE 2 0 2 SENIOR, A COUPLE.
I'M JUST LOOKING HIGHLAND SCHOOL, WHICH IS IN NORTH TOWANDA, WHICH IS REALLY COOL.
WE HAVE GRANT SCHOOL, THE CITY OF NORTH TOWANDA, WE HAVE THE CORNER OF LYNNWOOD AND LAFAYETTE, WHICH IS 55 YEARS AND UP, WHICH IS LIKE BUILDING A, AND WE HAVE ONE WHICH IS 90 UNITS ON THE CORNER OF 1140 AND 1166 JEFFERSON AREA.
AND, AND SO ARE THEY REGULATED BY CERTAIN RENTS OR ARE THEY AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THEY ARE JUST, LIKE I JUST DESCRIBED, RENTS ARE SET BASED UPON THE INCOME CRITERIA THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN ORDER TO GET THE FUNDING.
SO IT'S LIKE SOME OF THE UNITS ARE 60% AND LESS MEDIAN INCOME.
SO THEY'LL GO UP TO 42,660 FOR THE TWO BEDROOMS AND 37,920 FOR THE ONE BEDROOMS. THOSE INCOME LIMITS ARE ESTABLISHED EVERY YEAR BY UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HUB, CLARK HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT IN HAMBURG.
WE HAVE A, A GUIDANCE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS TO BE HOW MANY PERCENT? 5%.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THAT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IN HAMBURG OUR DEFINITION OF LOW INCOME IS HIGHER THAN 60%.
IT'S PROBABLY 80% I THINK IT IS IN YOUR CODE.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE POLICY CHRIS HALL HAS PROVIDED.
I JUST, I KNOW ANOTHER AREAS IT'S NOT RIGHT.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ASPECT OF, SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
NOT ALL AREAS HAVE IT CORRECT.
OTHER ONE, THE VERY WONDERFULLY UNIQUE BUILT TOWNS THAT HAVE A FAIR HOUSING.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT OTHER AREAS, I KNOW WE HAVE TO, OR WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A GUY CALLED YEAH, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CODE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER, THE NEW GENERATION COMING IN MIXING WITH THE SENIORS, THE BABY BOOMERS.
SO I COULD GET ONE OF THESE AND MY GRANDSON COULD GET ONE OF NEXT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND HIS, HIS EXCUSE HIS INCOME WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN MINE, RIGHT? YEP.
YOU'VE QUALIFIED SEPARATELY AND RENTS SEPARATELY ALL DEPENDENT UPON ONE'S INCOME.
IT WAS JUST NO, IT'S NO THANKS FOR ASKING FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THE UNITS THAT JOSLYN'S DESCRIBING FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE, OFTENTIMES THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S UTILIZED TODAY IS WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE GENERALLY THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HARD.
WE ALL KNOW HOUSING COSTS NOT ONLY IN WESTERN NEW YORK BUT EVERYWHERE.
SO THERE REALLY IS A NEED FOR THIS.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A VERY COMPREHENSIVE MARKET STUDIES DONE IN CONNECTION WITH, TO DEMONSTRATE CLEARLY THERE'S A NEED AND THAT GETS REVIEWED AND SCRUTINIZED BY NUMEROUS PARTIES, INCLUDING LENDERS, INVESTORS, THE STATE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO ALL THAT DUE DILIGENCE WILL DEMONSTRATE THAT CLEAR AS DATE THERE'S DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA BE SUBJECT TO SEEKER BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL PUD THAT WAS SUBJECT TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK, RETRIEVE THE FINDINGS STATEMENT AGAIN.
TAKE A LOOK AT THE THRESHOLDS.
WE WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
THE TOWN BOARD WILL NEED TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AS A LEAD AGENCY.
SO ALL THAT PROCESS IS AHEAD OF US.
SO I THINK THE NEXT STEPS FROM TODAY WOULD BE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT YOU HAVE THEN GO AHEAD, SUBMIT THE APPLICATION ALONG WITH PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM A LEAD AGENCY.
SARAH, I BELIEVE LEAD AGENCY LETTER WOULD GO OUT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.
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AND THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION IN A NUTSHELL.I KNOW IT'S ALMOST SEVEN, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I NOTICE THERE'S ONLY ONE AREA WHERE YOU HAVE DUMPSTERS.
HOW DO PEOPLE FROM BUILDING A GET TO THAT DUMPSTER WITH THEIR GARBAGE? DO YOU HAVE PICKUP OR DO THEY WE DO HAVE TO GET IT THERE THEMSELVES.
WE HAVE MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS.
THERE'S, THERE'S ROOMS IN EACH OF THE, ACTUALLY ON EACH FLOOR MM-HMM.
WHERE PEOPLE BRING THEIR GARBAGE.
AND THEN OUR MAINTENANCE ENGINEER TAKE CARE OF GETTING IT INTO THE DUMPSTERS.
WHEN YOU SAY ON EACH FLOOR, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, IN, IN MUNICIPAL HOUSING THEY USUALLY HAVE ONE IN THE BASEMENT.
WHEN YOU SHOOT THOSE DOWN, HOW, HOW DOES YOURS WORK? THAT'S ON, WE DON'T HAVE SUITS.
ONE FOR RECYCLING AND ONE FOR GARBAGE.
OUR MAINTENANCE ENGINEER COMES IN, MAKES SURE THAT THEY'RE SEPARATED AS THEY SHOULD BE.
TAKES THEM OUT TO THE DUMPSTERS ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE FLOOR, ON EACH FLOOR WHERE IF I'M LIVING THERE MM-HMM
I CAN WALK OUT AND THAT GARBAGE THERE'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT SAME FLOOR THAT YOU DELIVERED IT TO? YES.
AND, AND WHAT, HOW, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE I IT'S GONNA SMELL AFTER A WHILE? THAT'S MY CONCERN.
WELL, BECAUSE OUR MAINTENANCE ENGINEER, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN TAKES IT OUT EVERY DAY.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THE PROJECTS I HAVE, IT DOES WORK.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING YOU JUST KEEP AN EYE ON EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND AS WE GET IN THE PROCESS, I MEAN ANYBODY CAN COME TOUR ONE OF OUR SITES AT ANY TIME.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN CONNECTION WITH OTHER PROJECTS AND IT IS, IT'S NICE TO ACTUALLY BE THERE AND SEE IT.
YOU CAN ASK, YOU'LL HAVE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WHEN WE ACTUALLY SEE A PROJECT, SEAN, YOU SAY THAT THERE'S 105 PARKING SPACES, UHHUH,
RIGHT? IT ONLY LEAVES 22 EXTRA PARKING SPACES FOR ANY UNIT.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN EITHER ADD MORE PARKING OR RE-LOOK AT RECONFIGURING THE PARKING IN ADDITION? UH, ARE THE PARKING PATHWAYS LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL BUSES? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING WORKING FAMILIES, I NOTICED THERE WERE NINE UNITS THAT WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS, WHICH I ANTICIPATED FROM THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE DISCUSSION OF YOUNG FAMILIES THAT THEY WOULD NEED SCHOOL AGE.
I DON'T BELIEVE SCHOOL BUSES WILL COME ON THIS SITE.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED IN A SAFE MANNER.
IN TERMS OF PARKING, WE'VE HAD THIS TOPIC COME UP BEFORE.
SO THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PEOPLE IN PORTFOLIO, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, THAT INCLUDES ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM.
KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE PREDOMINANTLY, ONE BEDROOM IS 0.5 VEHICLES PER UNIT.
MEANING LITERALLY IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED UNITS IN THEIR PORTFOLIO DEMAND FOR PARKING FOR THE RESIDENCE IS 50 SPACES.
I'M JUST A LITTLE, WE AND WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE STATING IT'S WORKING HOUSING, I'M SUSPECTING THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE AUTOMOBILES OR SENSE OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET THEM TO AND FROM THEIR WORKPLACE.
WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IS GENERALLY SPEAKING AND ESPECIALLY AS THE PROJECT GETS A LITTLE BIT OLDER, LESS AND LESS OF THE SENIORS OF CARS.
BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK IF YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF PARKING DEMAND AND IF NEED BE, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SRF THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
SUPPLEMENT THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO INCLUDE.
IS THERE A BUS STOP AT OR NEAR THIS? I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, ASK THAT QUESTION.
THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
BECAUSE THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD NEED TO FAIR ENOUGH.
HAVE VIABLE TRANSPORTATION SINCE THERE IS NOT A BUS ROUTE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S A FOLLOW UP.
USUALLY YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS NEAR, NEAR A BUS STOP, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE PARKING.
DO YOU HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO COMPARE IT TO ON PARKING THAT IS SIMILAR SIZE AND BREAKDOWN, BUT ALSO GOING TO HAVE SIMILAR TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A DEAL.
WE HAVE ONE THAT IS PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE FUNDED THIS YEAR THAT HAS 84 UNITS.
IS IT IN? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY THAT HAVE SENIORS AND FAMILIES.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE BY PUTTING THE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, MARK, WHAT'S BETWEEN THEM A TRUE THANK YOU.
UH, ATRIUMS, IT ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY ACCESS TWO SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCES.
HISTORICALLY IT WAS EITHER 18 AND UP RIGHT.
AND BECAUSE OF THE ATRIUM WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AFTER BOTH POPULATIONS.
WELL 'CAUSE THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, THAT DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS EITHER READILY AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO WALK FROM, SAY 20.
SOUTHWESTERN IS, SORRY, SOUTHWESTERN, BUT NOT DOWN.
ROGER ROGERS DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND SOUTH THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO.
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GONNA NEED BE PUT IN.BUT I'M JUST THINKING TRANSPORTATION WISE, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRESSING CONCERN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF YOU HAD A PROJECT SIMILAR TO THIS THAT WAS GONNA HAVE THE SAME TRAFFIC OR TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES.
WELL, THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED THAT PROBABLY IS GONNA BE FUNDED IN THE NEXT WEEK IS ON HOPKINS EVANS.
AND, BUT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, BUT THERE'S NO BUS ROUTE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UP AND RUNNING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A PICTURE.
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LIKE SOMETHING VIABLE THAT WE'RE MAKING PLANS SO THAT IT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.
I'M I'M THINKING OF THE OTHER ONES.
LINWOOD DOES NOT HAVE A BUS OR GO BY IT, BUT IT DOES THEIR SIDEWALK AND IT'S RENOVATED SCHOOLS.
UH, WHEN WE PUT IN THE SOULS ROAD PIRATE HOUSING, THERE WAS NO BUS ROUTE AT THAT POINT.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT PROVIDED PEDESTRIAN STORM ROGERS ROAD TWO, YOU WANT THIS BACK ON AGAIN OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE COORDINATED REVIEW IS BEEN DONE? WELL, SO I'M THINKING IF WE GET THE, IT'S DECEMBER 2ND TODAY.
WE PUT IT ON FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S THAT FAR OUT, RIGHT? I MEAN, NO, JANUARY.
JANUARY MEAN IF WE DON'T WANNA COME BACK TO FEBRUARY, HE'S NOT GONNA STOP.
UM, SO I'LL JUST KIND GO OVER WHAT I EXPECT TO BE THE PROCESS FOR RECORD AND FOR ANYBODY HERE, UH, CHANGE, THE PUD HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
THIS BOARD WOULD JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE PROBABLY WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WHETHER WE RECOMMEND YES OR NO, THE TOWN BOARD WILL MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DECISION IF THE TOWN BOARD DOES CHANGE THE PUD ZONING WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, THE QUESTION FOR US ISN'T WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDINGS GO IN, IT'S MORE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE LANDSCAPING IS, THE LAYOUT, THE PARKING.
IF, IF THE TOWN BOARD DOES CHANGE THE PUD ZONING, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE CRUX OF WHETHER THE PROJECT IS FORWARD.
SO WE WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND THEN IF THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THEY MAKE A DECISION, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD, IF, IF THE TOWN BOARD UH, CHANGES THE PUD, IT WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT THAT THIRD PUBLIC HEARING WOULD ONLY BE ON DESIGN AND LAYOUT.
AND TYPICALLY PEOPLE WHO LOVE COMING TO OUR MEETINGS, OFTEN WE HAVE SEEKER, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
BUT BECAUSE THE DECISION IS HAPPENING AT THE TOWN LEVEL, THE TOWN HAS TWO DECISIONS IN FRONT OF THEM.
THE FIRST IS THE SECRET DECISION ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND THE SECOND IS THE REZONING, RIGHT? YEP.
WE, WE WON'T BE DOING SECRET THIS, SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MAKE A, I FIGURE OUT THE, UM, I, SO THEY WANNA BE TABLED TILL JANUARY 19TH.
DO WE WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? MAKE A MOTION.
WE TABLE THIS PROJECT TILL JANUARY 19TH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WHAT YOU'RE WELL YOU DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
YOU WANT MINE YET? ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION IS GARY AND MARIE
NOW WE HAVE RECENTLY SEEN SOME PROJECTS IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHY R ONE INSTEAD OF RA? WHO'S HERE FOR THIS PROJECT? LEMME GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
REMEMBER, REMEMBER THAT THEY CAME, NOT THESE PEOPLE, BUT THE MONK IN THE STATE CAME.
RIGHT? IT'S ALL STILL C TWO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO REZONE IT TO RA, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD ASKED.
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MR. MONK BUSINESS IS ON ONE LOT.HIS SISTER'S HOME IS ON THE MIDDLE LOT.
THIRD IS VACANT FURTHEST FROM THE POINT IT'S DOWN, IT'S CLOSEST TO NORTH CREEK.
SO THESE, UM, THIS COUPLE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A HOME ON IT.
THEY'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO BUILD TWO HOMES ON IT, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL, THAT'LL WORK OR NOT.
BUT THEY'D LIKE TO REZONE IT TO R ONE BECAUSE OF THAT FACT.
THEY'D LIKE TO BUILD, I THINK BUILD A HOME FOR THEMSELVES AND THEN PERHAPS SELL THE OTHER HALF OR BUILD A SECOND, SPLIT IT AND PUT A HOME FOR THE CHILD ON THE OTHER HALF.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT OUR A BECAUSE OUR A WOULD ONLY ALLOW THEM TO PUT ONE HOME.
R ONE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO SPLIT THAT 1.7 ACRE PIECE IN HALF AND THEY STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR TWO R ONE LOTS.
WHAT IS THE SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR AN R ONE LOT? IT'S ABOUT A THIRD, AN AC THIRD AN AC.
SO IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE THE ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR WELL IT'S, IT'S AN EXISTING LOT OF RECORD, SO YES, YES, YES, IT'S FINE.
BUT NO, AS IT IS, IT'S STILL WON BE.
I WANTED YOU, DID I, DO YOU NEED TO SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN I? NO.
SO WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS, YOU KNEW IT WAS C TWO? CORRECT.
AND NOW YOU'RE COMING HERE AND YOU WANT US TO REZONE IT EVEN THOUGH YOU KNEW IT WAS C TWO AND THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WANTS US TO CUT DOWN THE DENSITY IN THAT AREA.
HOW, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? WELL, FIRST OFF, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A, AN ISSUE AT ALL.
WHAT I KNOW IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN MAP, EVERYTHING IS GREEN AROUND THAT BEING RRCR ONE AND THE RED LITTLE SLIVER IS COMMERCIAL.
SO I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M CORRECT IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN WOULD PREFER TO SEE RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
NOT THAT I SELL IT AND PUT SOMETHING COMMERCIAL UP IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA RESIDE SINCE THAT IS THE ONLY SLIVER OF RED IN THAT AREA, BUT IT'S STILL RED.
SO I THINK PERHAPS AS THESE ARE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT A, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS I THINK, SO THIS WOULD BE A DOWN ZONING THAT SOUNDS, THE QUESTION I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS RA, ALTHOUGH AREA AROUND IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.
AND THEN IN R ONE, SO WE WOULD TAKE IT FROM THE ISLAND TO THE C TWO AND THEN TAKE THE C TWO ISLAND AND SPLIT IT.
SO IT WAS STILL PARTIALLY C TWO AND THEN PARTIALLY R ONE AND PART IT'S STILL AN ISLAND.
IT'S STILL, AND I GUESS THAT THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT I DON'T, IT'S AN OUTLIER IN THE ZONING AND THAT LITTLE SLIVER ANYWAYS.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS, AND THE REZONING IS AGAIN LIKE THE LAST PROJECT BEING DONE WITH TOWN BOARD.
SO WE'LL JUST PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS IS HOW DO WE MANAGE THEM? WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? HOW DO WE HAVE ANY MAPS OR DIAGRAMS THAT SHOW WHAT THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY LIKE? LIKE IF YOU REZONED IT, LIKE YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL OF LIKE HOW YOU WOULD SPLIT WHAT THE TWO LOTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IN HALF.
I MEAN IT'S AN ODD CONFIGURATION WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE FAR WEST HOUSE, THE WAY THE PROPERTY WAS, WE THE A SURVEY ON IT.
I WOULD PREFER TO STRAIGHTEN THAT LOT LINE OUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH ON, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THIS, THIS, UH, AND WE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE, LIKE ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ZONED RA, THE, WE THINK THE ZONING BECAME RA AFTER THE FACT.
AND THAT'S RELATED MORE TO THE, THEY'RE MORE SIZED AS R ONE.
MOST OF THE LOTS AROUND THERE ARE SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER THAN, SO, SO THERE'S REALLY ONE BUILDING THAT'S A COMMERCIAL THERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IF YOU REMEMBER BOB WHEN THEY CAME TO US, YEAH.
WE WANTED THEM TO REZONE TO RA LIKE IT WAS AROUND IT.
AND, AND THEN THE, THE BUSINESS WOULD'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO THEY COULD STILL OPERATE THE BUSINESS EVEN IF IT WAS REZONED, BUT WE WANTED THE ZONING TO MATCH THE SURROUNDING ZONING.
SO, OKAY, YOU'RE ASKING MY QUESTION.
SO NOW IT'S, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BECAUSE BRUCE MONTON WAS AFRAID THAT IF HE EVER TRIED TO SELL HIS BUSINESS, IF IT ZONED RA, NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A MORTGAGE FOR IT.
SO HE DIDN'T, HE WANTED TO STAY,
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WHICH IS ALSO IS KIND OF WHY WE WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE FIT THERE.SO IF WERE RESIDENTIAL, POSSIBLY TWO.
WITH THE SIZE OF THAT LOT, IF THEY BREAK IT DOWN, IF THEY BUILT TWO HOUSES, WOULD THEY HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE NO, THEY'D BE WITHIN THE, UH, THEY NEED GET A, NOT FOR OUR BUT RA THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD COME BACK AND GET A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
MINOR SUBDIVISION FROM, SO EACH LOT WOULD BE A APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE IN SIZE, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.
SO IF THEY SPLIT THAT, THEY GOTTA, THEY GOTTA COME US FOR A SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? YES.
SO THIS WAS A LOT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE PAST YEAR DIVIDED INTO THREE.
AND NOW IT'S BEING LIKE, IT WAS A BIG, IT'S PART OF A BIGGER PARCEL THAT WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE AND NOW IT'S BEING DIVIDED AGAIN BECAUSE THE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE TIMELINE RIGHT.
IT'S BECAUSE MR. TON'S ESTATE SOLD THAT THIRD TO THE STONE.
JUST TRYING TO CATCH WITHIN THE PAST YEAR THAT THAT HAPPENED.
IT MIGHT BEEN A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT, BUT IT, IT WAS IN THE LAST, NO, BECAUSE I JUST TOOK THE FILE FOLDER OUT OF MY FILE.
THE GIS DOESN'T SHOW THE PROPERTY BEING SPLIT YET.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME IF WE HAD A DRAWING THAT SHOWED HOW THEY WANTED TO DO THIS AND HOW THEY COULD FIT THE HOUSES ON IT AND HOW THAT COMPARED TO THE OTHERS.
IT WOULD, AND I, I THINK IT'D BE EASIER FOR VISUAL SOME OF US IF IT WAS RA FOR, FOR VISUALLY.
I MEAN R ONE IS IS TOUGH BECAUSE ISOLATED R ONE, BUT THE HOUSES AROUND IT R ONE SIZE.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ALL COMPLICATED.
I MEAN THE CHALLENGE IS TOO IS THAT WE CAN'T, IF IT WERE TO BE REZONED TO RA, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE'D BE VARIANCE IF THEY WANTED SOMEBODY VARIANCES GRANTED FOR THEM TO DO NO.
NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A HARDSHIP.
SO THEY, SO THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD THE TWO HOUSES.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND IF YOU, UH, GARY, YOU CAN'T, IF IF, IF YOU WOULD HAD TO REZONE THE RA, THEY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SELL IT OR DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL.
BUT WAY TOO BIG PROPERTY THEY HAD ON TRYING DOWNSIZE, I SOLD OUR BIG HOUSE ON NORTH CREEK.
IT WAS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND THIS CAME AVAILABLE, WE PURCHASED IT FIGURING THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM TO, TO UM, CHANGE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A VACANT FIELD RIGHT NOW.
WE LOOKED AT MODULARS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 13 TO 1400 SQUARE FOOT MODULAR COST OF $260,000.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THE IMPROVEMENT, WHAT WE WOULD DO VERSUS THE VACANT FIELD WE GOT, WE GOT ON THE FRONTAGE, WE GOT AN ALMOST 400, 377 FEET.
OR EVEN IF WE WENT 125 FEET, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY FRONTAGE.
THAT IS SOMETHING I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF.
IT'S A, IT'S A LONG WHAT'S LONG? AND NARROWISH SO DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, THESE HOUSES WOULD BE QUITE FAR APART.
SHE'S GOT ALMOST 400 FEET IN FRONT AND SHE DIVIDED IT, IT, IT IS A STRANGE SLIVER, BUT I MEAN I YEAH, IT'S LIKE A FISH, A FISHTAIL IN THE YEAH.
IS LIKE, I, I REMEMBER 'CAUSE IT WAS LESS THAN A YEAR AGO LOOKING AT THIS, UM, I HAD JUST, JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I, I THINK, UH, A REZONING TO RA WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND.
SO CAN YOU PULL OUT FOR US, SIR, I KNOW WE DID THAT ANALYSIS WITH THE ACREAGES OF THE PART, THE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THAT, WHEN THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US? BEFORE THAT YOU WENT AND PULLED LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEAREST LIKE SIX OR SEVEN PARCELS AND SAID HOW BIG OH GOD DON'T HAVE HERE.
BUT COULD YOU PULL THAT FOR US BEFORE THIS COMES BACK TO US? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND IS IF THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE UNDER AN ACRE LOT KIND OF ADJACENT TO IT THAT ARE THE CHARACTER I COMMUNITY LIKE YEAH.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE COULD OPEN UP FLOOD GATES TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RA AND THEY SEE THIS AND THEY SEE THE OPPORTUNITY? WELL THAT'S SO, SO AGAIN, BREAK IT DOWN AND SAY, HEY LOOK, I COULD MAKE MONEY BY SPLITTING THIS AND PUTTING ANOTHER HOUSE UP.
AND THEN THERE GOES THE DENSITY ISSUE.
THAT THAT IS A GOOD POINT DENNIS.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAP AND WE LOOK AT THOSE SIZE OF THE HOUSES, WE, WE, WE SHOULD LOOK HOW FAR AWAY THE CLOSEST BIGGER LOTS ARE BECAUSE IF THERE ARE BIGGER LOTS CLOSE
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BY THEN, THEN I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.I THINK WE, WE WOULD BE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT IF IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SMALLER LOTS, I DON'T IT'S DIFFERENT STORY.
YOU DON'T LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU GO D FROM THE FISHTAIL OVER TO THE WEST, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SMALLER LOTS AND THEY'RE ALL ALSO WITHIN THE ISLAND.
SO YOU'VE GOT NORTH CREEK ROAD AND LAKEY ROAD IN, IN THE ISLAND AND THEN CURB AND SO INSIDE THE ISLAND AND THEN THERE'S THAT WEIRD DRIVE PRIVATE ROAD THAT KIND OF SLICES IT THAT CUTS BETWEEN LAKE.
SO THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4 OTHER PARCELS ON THAT BETWEEN THE ROADS ON THAT LITTLE ISLAND.
AND THEN, BUT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS NORTH CREEK, THERE ARE SEVERAL MUCH LARGER LOTS AND IF YOU LOOK ACROSS LAKEVIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE A FARM MAYBE ON THE AREA.
I'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
SO ONLY THE PARCELS IN THE ISLAND THAT ARE SMALLER AND THIS WOULD BE IN THE ISLAND.
UM, YEAH THE WAS SMALLER BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, PART OF A BIGGER PARCEL THAT WAS TAKING UP THE MAJORITY OF THE ISLAND AND LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WERE THEY SMALLER? THERE'S PROBABLY ALWAYS ONE AND THEN THEY CHOPPED IT UP BEFORE THE ZONING CODE WENT INTO EFFECT.
UM, AND BEFORE THEY MADE IT RA THEN THAT'S WHY I THINK NEED BUSINESS ON ONE END AND THE SMALL HOUSES ON THE OTHER.
I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OUTLINES OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO HAVE A BETTER SENSE YEAH.
AND THE DIMENSIONS TO HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE COMPARING VERSUS MAKING ASSUMPTIONS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT.
KIND LIKE, AND SARAH CAN GET US THAT MAP, UM, BUT WE WANNA SEE HOW THIS ONE'S GONNA BE DIVIDED, WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD BE AND THEN FROM THERE I GUESS MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST KIND SEE HOW IT ALL LOOKS.
YOU ALL HAVE UM, THIS IN YOUR PACKET, THAT ENTIRE ISLAND.
AND AND I, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR, IN OUR MAP.
IT'S GOT THE PARCELS AND EVERYTHING.
WE JUST BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND GET JUST THAT PIECE.
AND I THINK YOU ALREADY DID PARTLY RIGHT? WE DO.
DO YOU WANT THEM THEN TO JUST TAKE THIS AND PULL A LINE DOWN A LITTLE AND SHOW YOU THE, THE WAY THE LOCK WILL LOOK AND WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD BE, WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD BE AND WHAT THE, AND HOW THEN THE SETBACKS LIE BASED ON THAT AND WHERE THE, I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD NEED TWO CURB CUPS FOR TWO SEPARATE REHEARSALS WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE.
OKAY, WELL THEY GONNA HAVE THIS POINT.
I MEAN IS IT GONNA BE NORTH CREEK OR IS IT GONNA BE OH, THEY'RE GONNA BE ON LAKEVIEW.
THE DRIVERS WOULD BE ON LAKEVIEW.
WELL I GUESS IF I'M PUTTING RESIDENTIAL HOME STAY, STAY ON THE SLOWEST STREET COULD BE NORTH KOREA.
BUT IF THE, IF YOU GUYS WANTED ON LAKEVIEW, WE COULD GO ON LAKEVIEW.
I MEAN THE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY IS 210 FEET.
YOU SO IS IT LIKE AN DISTANCE BETWEEN LAKEVIEW AND WORK CREEK? KIND OF.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
WELL IT'S GOT, YEAH, IT'S GOT, BECAUSE REMEMBER THE OTHER LOT WE LOOKED AT HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, DIDN'T IT? ONE OF THEM HAD LIKE A GRAND AREA THAT WAS CLOSED AND IT WAS CLOSED OFF WHEN WE WENT THERE TO IT.
THERE'S STILL NO PLUMBING YET, RIGHT? ONE LOT.
OH, ON THE A BUSINESS AND KNOW THERE'S NO PLUMBING.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE SEPARATE THE HOUSE.
THAT'S BUSINESS PROPERTY ON THESE PROPERTIES.
THERE HAS TO BE SPACE FOR, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'D HAVE TO KNOW IS IF YOU COULD STILL FIT SEPTIC IN A, WE TALKED TO TIM WILLER ABOUT THAT AND TIM SAID THAT IS NOT OUR PURVIEW, BUT THAT'S THE COUNTY AND THE, I GUESS DEFINITELY GONNA ALLOW TWO, THREE QUARTER LOT PROPERTIES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I GUESS I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE IN EACH OF THE PARCELS.
SO I DON'T, NOT IN THE DETAILS, BUT IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, IF IT MOVES AROUND, I GUESS THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN, BUT KNOWING THAT ALL THE BOXES, THE GARAGE, IF THERE'S A GARAGE, THE GARAGE, THE HOUSE AND SEPTIC CAN ALL, WE DON'T WANNA APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEN PUT YOU IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE.
SO AS FAR AS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS WITHIN, WE STARTED DIVIDING IT UP, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
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EACH SIDE, THERE'S TONS OF ROOM THAT THE HOUSES AREN'T GONNA BE THAT BIG.EVEN IF THEY WERE, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SEPTIC, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE TOWN, THAT'S THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT IT MAY NOT BE SEPTIC HERE.
DID YOU DECIDE THAT? PARDON ME BECAUSE REMEMBER THERE IS, THERE IS SEWER THAT RUNS DOWN LAKE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I'M ASSUMING THEY MAY MAKE YOU IN WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO THEN DON'T DOWN PROBABLY THE CENTER OR A LITTLE BIT OFF AND GOING FROM THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU WANNA THE 16TH, NEXT 15TH, RIGHT? 15TH IS THE NEXT MEETING, NO.
SO IS THAT WHEN YOU WANNA COME BACK ON DECEMBER 15TH OR? YEAH, WE CAN COME BACK DECEMBER 15TH.
SO I WILL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE CAROL CARAC TO DECEMBER 15TH.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION ONTO THE REGULAR MEETING.
SO WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, PLANNING BOARD 11 MEETING RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FOR THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MCALLISTER PLUMBING REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT 3 0 8 0:00 AM STILL ROAD.
SO ANY ANY CHANGES TO THIS SINCE WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO? NO.
UM, DO WE HAVE MORE TREES? THE ONLY THING THEY WANTED, SORRY, FRANKLIN.
WITH F ASSOCIATES, UH, REPRESENTING PLUMBING HERE.
UM, HERE LAST WEEK JUST TO DISCUSS THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, BOARD WANTED TO ADDRESS.
UM, SO THE EXTRA TREES TO FILL IN HERE.
QUICK TREE LINE ALONG ON SOUTHWESTERN, AND THEN THE OTHER ENGINEERING TO SHOW THAT REMOVING THE EXISTING STORM LINE THAT WAS BEING ABANDONED AND BACK THAT PROGRAM.
QUESTIONS, UM, ANYTHING YOU QUESTIONS ON ANSWER HAS? NO.
ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING BY THE BOARD? ALRIGHT.
NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSAL BY MCALLISTER PLUMBING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING AT 3 0 8 0 AMSEL ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MCALLISTER PLUMBING, UH, AS ANYONE HERE WANTED TO SPEAK, UH, ABOUT THE MCALLISTER PLUMBING PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYONE HERE FOR OR AGAINST MCALLISTER PLUMBING? ANYBODY CHECK ON FACEBOOK? I HAVE IT RIGHT.
THERE'S NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING FOR MCALLISTER PLUMBING? ALRIGHT, BEING NO COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE A PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
DID EVERYTHING GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT? DO WE NEED TO ADD, IS THERE NEW EXTERIOR LIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT IN THE BUILDING? EXISTING BUILDING ALL, I MEAN, I WOULD PROPOSE YOU PUT THAT YOUR,
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YOUR LIGHTS ARE DARK AND DO YOU WANT TO ADD A CONDITION IN THAT THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING MATCHES THE, BECAUSE THE COLOR OF THIS BUILDING, RIGHT.IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE MCALLISTER PLUMBING PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 3,168 SQUARE FOOT NEW BUILDING AT 3 0 8 0 AMS ROAD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2021.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEGER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THAT'S A SEPARATE FROM THE SITE PLAN, RIGHT? JUST KEEP GOING.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE MCALLISTER PLUMBING PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 3 0 8 0 AMSTEL ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 10TH, 2021.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAVED AS THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
THREE LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE COLOR AND DESIGN OF THE NEW BUILDING WILL MATCH THE EXISTING ADJACENT BUILDING.
SECOND MOTION TO AMEND THE DATE OF THE ENGINEERING LETTER.
SO IT'S THE LETTER DATED THE 10TH AS WELL AS THE FOLLOW UP LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 29TH.
SO ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LED TO DATED NOVEMBER 10TH AND NOVEMBER 29TH.
SO IT'S, UH, MOTION BY MR. CLARK AS AMENDED.
BE AMENDED BY, AMENDED BY MR. MCCORMICK.
NEXT BEFORE SECOND BEFORE WE HAD A SECOND.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO SOLAR REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED AT 6 2 7 1 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
YOU GUYS ON SCREEN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO POSITION THAT WHEREVER YOU THINK MAKES MORE SENSE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE I THAT THE FACEBOOK LIVE CAMERA IS OVER HERE.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN GO STAND OVER THERE.
SO WHILE THEY'RE SETTING UP, UM, I DID HEAR FROM MARK
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UH, YOU SAID 6 2 7 1 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AT THE VACANT LOT DOWN THE OTHER WAY.YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TOLD ME TODAY THAT, THAT THIS DOES NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS.
HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT IT'S, AND AND THEN WHEN THEY DO GET ONE, IT WON'T BE SIX SEVEN WHERE ADJACENT MINE PROPERTY.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN ADDRESS THEN THEY, THERE WON'T BE AN ADDRESS.
CAN I ANSWER THAT REAL QUICK? NOT UNTIL SOMETHING IS THERE, YEAH.
SO WE DRIVE BY THIS SITE, WE HAVE A BETTER, CAN WE MAYBE PUT THE LOT NUMBER IN THERE? THAT SOUNDS WORK.
THE LOT ID OR SOMETHING IN THE NOTICES.
THERE THERE IS NO EXISTING ADDRESS.
WELL, WELL, LET'S SIR, SIR, SIR, WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED.
THEIR APPLICATION, THEY ADDRESS APPLICATION.
HE, HE SAID HE WOULD ADDRESS IT.
SO WE'LL LET HIM TRY AND ADDRESS IT AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
IF IT'S WRONG, THEN WE'LL FIX IT.
I'VE DRIVEN BY SIX A LITTLE BIT.
WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THIS ONE.
THANKS FOR GIVING US A MOMENT.
SO YOU, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA ADDRESS THE ADDRESS ISSUE.
LET'S SKIP DO THAT BEFORE WE START WITH THIS, PLEASE.
SO, UM, YEAH, THE REASON, THE REASON THAT WE HAD TO HAVE AN ADDRESS WAS ACTUALLY FOR, UH, NATIONAL GRID GOING THROUGH THE INTERCONNECTION PROCESS.
SO THEY REQUIRE AN ADDRESS IN ORDER TO EVEN START, UM, ANY KIND OF INTERCONNECTION STUDIES AT ALL.
UH, WE COULD NOT GET AN ADDRESS, UH, THROUGH THE TOWN UNTIL WE HAD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND SO WE'RE KINDA, YOU KNOW, UH, GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES THERE, NATIONAL GRID TOLD US PICK AN ADDRESS THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE OF IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A VIABLE OPTION, UM, BASED ON THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE SITE.
AND SO THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT ADDRESS.
I DID NOT SEE A, ANOTHER 6, 2 7 1 ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD WHEN, WHEN I WAS LOOKING.
AND SO IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN, I BELIEVE IT'S 6 2 8 9, AND, UH, 6 2, 6 2 6 6.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I JUST KIND OF PICKED AN ADDRESS THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
SO SARAH, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IDENTIFY THIS WITH A BETTER ADDRESS? I'LL HAVE TO SAY VACANT LAND WEST OF, OR EAST OF WHATEVER.
SO LET, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT, UM, FOR GOING FORWARD AS FAR AS DEFINING WHERE THIS IS.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
IT WAS FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE SAKE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, ARE WE GONNA NEED TO AMEND ALL THE APPLICATION FORMS? I DON'T THINK SO.
I USE THE ON FORMS. YEAH, THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT SB.
OKAY, SO WE, WE, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO THE NOTICE THOUGH.
UM, I GUESS YOU GUYS HAVE THIS PRESENTATION.
SO, YEAH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR HEARING US OUT.
I'M JEREMY MCCOOL WITH BUFFALO SOLAR.
UM, THIS IS ADAM SERVER WITH XY VENTURES AND, UH, WE'RE REPRESENTING THE SOUTHWESTERN SOLAR PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, UM, IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
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UH, LET YOU GUYS KNOW WE HAVE, THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, PRESENTATION, IT'S A LITTLE, IS THERE A WAY TO TURN OFF JUST LIKE THIS ROW OF LIGHTS, OR WILL IT KILL THE WHOLE ROOM? UH, TRY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WASHING OUT THE SCREEN PRETTY GOOD.SO THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, PUT SOME 3D UH, ARTISTIC RENDERING.
SO WHAT THE PRACTICAL WILL LOOK LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BETTER IDEA, THIS IS AN OVERHEAD SHOCK, UM, FROM ON THE SITE.
AND, UM, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE'LL POINT OUT ABOUT THIS DESIGN THAT IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, GEARED TO MAKE THIS PROJECT MUCH MORE FEASIBLE IN THIS LOCATION.
VERY, VERY COMMUNITY FRIENDLY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE DESIGNED IT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ADAM TO KIND OF GO THROUGH.
SO THERE'S MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN SLIDES DOWN HERE.
AND THE GOAL OF THIS IS REALLY JUST TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO WE, I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD MEETING WITH THE GROUP AND PUBLIC HERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY KIND OF STARTED AT THE TOP, WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT, SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION THE SAME WAY.
SO IT STARTS OFF WITH, UH, SO WE ARE THE APPLICANT FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT, AND WE WANT TO INTRODUCE A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE DO IT.
SO WE ARE VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON PROVIDING, UM, NET ZERO CARBON HOUSING AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE FOR WESTERN NEW YORK HOLISTICALLY.
SO WE'LL GO AND WE WILL, WE'LL FIND AN APARTMENT BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE.
WE'LL TEAR IT APART, WE'LL PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
WE WILL DO REALLY DEEP ENERGY RENOVATIONS.
WE TEAR ALL THE GAS, WE PUT IN GEOTHERMAL SYSTEMS. WE, UM, THAT ELECTRIFIED WHOLE BUILDING.
WHEN WE DO THAT, WE END UP IN THIS PLACE WHERE WE END UP WITH A, UH, BASICALLY A NET ZERO CARBON BUILDING.
SO IT'S JUST, UH, OUR, OUR GENERAL, OUR GENERAL, UH, PREMISE IS WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO CONNECT THESE THINGS, AND WE WANT TO TAKE HOUSING.
WE WANNA MAKE IT VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT.
WE WANT TO CONNECT TO TWO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT EXIST IN THE MARKET.
AND THEN WHEN WE DO THOSE THINGS, WHEN WE CONNECT THEM, WE END UP WITH THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE VERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO WHEN WE DO THAT, WE SAY, WE BASICALLY LOOK AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
WE LOOK AT IT KIND OF THREE WAYS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THE GENERAL DESIGN OF A SYSTEM, AND WE'LL GO INTO THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WITH A COUPLE OF SCREENSHOTS IN TERMS OF WALK THROUGH THIS.
BUT THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC INTENTION AROUND, WE DRIVE AROUND.
YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF BIG SOLAR FARM THAT GO IN.
THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE AND THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY STRONG IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND.
WE, UH, AND REALLY WITH THE GUIDANCE, WITH THE GUIDANCE BUFFALO SOLAR, WE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE TAKE A SYSTEM AND TAKE TECHNOLOGIES IN DIFFERENT WAYS OF PUTTING THEM TOGETHER SO THEY'RE NOT, UH, INTRUSIVE TO THE, TO, TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S AROUND THAT.
AND, AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS IN A LOT OF, IN, IN, IN A LOT MORE DETAIL HERE ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, SECOND TO THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE A SYSTEM, WE PUT IT IN, LIKE THIS PROJECT, ALL OF THE ENERGY THAT'S PRODUCED, IT IS PRODUCED ON SITE.
IT WORKS ITS WAY TO A METER WHEN IT HITS THE METER, IT WORKS ITS WAY OUT, AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT USE IT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO LEFT, YOU LOOK RIGHT, THE ENERGY NATURALLY GOES TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE USING THIS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UH, KIND OF THIS CLIMATE OF LIKE, WHAT CAN WE ALL DO TO REDUCE CARBON IMPACT AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO, UM, MAYBE LOOK AT CLEAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGY WITH LITTLE DIRTY FUELS? THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN TAKE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY LOW IMPACT AND HOPEFULLY ELEGANTLY PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN PLANTED.
AND THEN HOW DO WE ALLOW THE, THE KIND OF THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THINGS THAT IT'S DOING.
AND THEN THIRD, THERE IS KIND OF A WAY THAT UTILITY, UH, IT HAS LIKE THESE, THESE FRINGE, UH, ECONOMIC BENEFITS.
WE TAKE THESE ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND CONNECT IT WITH THE HOUSING, KIND OF LIKE THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MODEL THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT ALLOWS US TO DEVELOP MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING HARD.
AND, UM, AND LIKE, I GUESS THE GENERAL WAY TO SAY IT IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT STEP FROM THAT WHERE IT IS EVERYTHING IS, HITS THE AFFORDABLE RATES FOR NEW YORK STATE, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO MORE THAN ONE THIRD OF ANYBODY'S INCOME'S EVER GOING INTO HOW THEY LIVE.
AND SO WE WANNA KEEP CASH IN PEOPLE'S POCKETS, AND WE WANT TO DO PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND WE WANNA DO
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL KIND OF CONNECTION AND THE GENERAL BUSINESS MODEL AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF STARTS WITH HOW DO WE DO AN LOW IMPACT WAY? HOW DO WE, UH, PROVIDE BENEFITS FOR THE KIND OF LIKE THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CLOSE BY? AND THEN HOW DO WE ULTIMATELY CONNECT AND THEN DO SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE SAVE MONEY, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE SUPPORTABLE HOUSING PROBLEM.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF LIKE REALLY DOING THEIR PART TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT GET BETTER WITH HELP HAVING A TOOL A LOT IF WE'RE CONNECTING THOSE THINGS TO EMPLOYMENT TOGETHER.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE GENERAL HIGH LEVEL PREMISE.
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UM, SO BUFFALO SOLAR, WE ARE, UH, PARTNERING WITH E TWO I IN, IN, IN BUILDING THIS PROJECT.AND, UH, SO AT BUFFALO SOLAR, WE'RE A COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN DEVELOPING SMALL SCALE SOLAR ENERGY PROJECTS.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY, UH, SMALL SCALE IS THAT WE DON'T, WE, WE PERSONALLY JUST IN, IN OUR OFFICE, WE'RE A SMALL COMPANY.
UH, WE ARE WESTERN NEW YORKERS OURSELVES, AND WE BELIEVE THAT SOLAR CAN BE DONE RESPONSIBLY, UH, EVEN LARGE SCALE.
WHAT, WHAT MOST COMMUNITIES WOULD CONSIDER LARGE SCALE SOLAR.
AND THAT CHANGES FROM TOWN TO TOWN, WHAT THAT'S CONSIDERED.
UM, BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY UNDER THE TOWN CODE OF HAMBURG, A LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECT.
UM, AND, UH, IT IS, IT IS SMALL SCALE THOUGH COMPARED TO THE TYPICAL, UM, LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECT IN NEW YORK STATE.
IN FACT, IT'S ABOUT ONE, IS IT ONE, ONE 20TH, THE SIZE OF THE TYPICAL LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECT IN, IN NEW YORK STATE.
UM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE SPECIALIZE IN.
WE FEEL THAT THE WAY THAT NEW YORK STATE HAS BEEN PUTTING VERY LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS IN ACROSS THE STATE, VARIOUS PLACES, THEY ARE, THEY ARE VERY INTRUSIVE IN COMMUNITIES.
WE'RE TALKING PROJECTS THAT ARE 40, 50 ACRES, UM, THAT ARE TAKING UP HUGE SWATHS OF LAND.
THEY'RE LAYING SOLAR OVER OVER LARGE FARM FIELDS THAT COULD BE PRODUCTIVE IN VARIOUS WAYS.
AND AT BUFFALO SOLAR, WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH, OR IT'S NOT THE ONLY APPROACH.
AND WE FEEL THAT WE'RE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT.
SO THE APPROACH THAT WE HAVE IS TO TAKE THE SAME CONCEPT OF SOLAR, WHICH IS GOING TO PROVIDE ENERGY FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS, FOR BUSINESSES, FOR ALL, FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
IT'S RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM THE SUN.
UM, IT'S RENEW IT'S ENERGY THAT IS GOING TO, UH, REDUCE OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT HERE IN WESTERN NEW YORK, WHICH, WHICH WE BELIEVE, UH, HELPS THE PLANET IN A LOT OF WAYS.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS AND PUT IT IN THE SMALLEST FOOTPRINT WE CAN.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS AND PUT IT IN SITES AND LOCATIONS WHERE IT WILL HAVE THE LEAST POSSIBLE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO MULTIPLES OF THESE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE PROJECT, UH, WITH, WITH THE BIGGEST FOOTPRINT WE CAN GET.
UH, AND SO, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT COMMUNITY IMPACT.
SO WHAT SETS US APART, I THINK IN SOME WAYS IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE MOST DEVELOPERS ARE PUTTING TOGETHER SIX, SIX TO SEVEN MEGAWATTS SOLAR PROJECTS, WHICH IS SIX TO 7,000 KILOWATTS, WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER 400 TO 600 KILOWATTS SOLAR SYSTEMS. SO WE ARE, WE ARE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER, UH, THAN, THAN THE AVERAGE DEVELOPER IS DOING IN NEW YORK STATE.
AND WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO MINIMIZE OUR FOOTPRINT IN WAYS THAT CONDENSES THE POWER DENSITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE WHAT IT SAYS, OUR SOLUTION.
THIS IS, THIS IS A BALLASTED GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT.
YOU CAN SEE THE MODULES ARE VERY LOW TO THE GROUND.
THEY ONLY STAND ABOUT 12 TO 14 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO THESE PANELS ARE ONLY ABOUT 14 INCHES APART FROM THE ROWS.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LOW TO THE GROUND AND THEY'RE LOW TILT, THEY WON'T SHADE EACH OTHER.
GOING BACK, IF YOU SEE THE PROJECT ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS A TYPICAL GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR ARRAY.
THESE PROJECTS STAND ABOUT 12 TO 14 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATED BY ROWS OF ABOUT 20 FEET OF UNPRODUCTIVE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE ROWS SO THAT SOLAR PANELS DON'T SHAPE ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEY TAKE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE SPACE TO PUT IN THE SAME NUMBER OF KILOWATTS AS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO CONDENSE THE POWER QUANTITY INTO A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT, KEEP IT AS LOW TO THE GROUND AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT MINIMIZES THE VIEW AND MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT AND MINIMIZES ANY SITE IMPACT.
AND WE'RE DOING THIS ALL VERY INTENTIONALLY TO SET OURSELVES APART FROM THIS KIND OF SOLAR THAT IT, IT IS VIABLE IN NEW YORK STATE, BUT IT IS, IT IS NOT.
WHAT WE THINK IS, IS WHAT SHOULD BE OUR FUTURE.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO DO, UH, MORE DISTRIBUTED POWER GRID WHERE THESE PROJECTS CAN, UH, POWER, POWER NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT, WITHOUT DISTURBING OR DESTRUCT THEM.
AND OUR GOAL, AND OUR GOAL IN ALL THIS IS LIKE, WE WANNA, WE, SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT, BUT THE BIGGER PROJECT, THESE ARE, UH, TYPICALLY VERY ADVERSARIAL DISCUSSIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEONE THAT'S COMING IN AND THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE ACTIVE.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR GENERAL HOPE IS, IS WE CAN,
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IS WE WORK THROUGH THIS.OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT CONVERSATION.
WE WANNA WORK WITH THE TOWN, WE WANNA WORK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE TOWN, FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE.
AND SO, SO GENERALLY WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE LOOK AT DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I JUST WANNA, I THINK WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT US, UH, KIND OF JUST LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF THESE SYSTEMS THAT WE PUT THAT ARE LOW TO THE GROUND VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK THE VEHICLES ARE IN HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE AT SCALE AND, AND IT KIND OF HELPS YOU JUST SEE THE SIZE DIFFERENCE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO, UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP GOING AND WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW HOW THIS KIND OF WORKS WITH THE LANDSCAPE IN THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY.
BUT, SO, SO THE PROJECT SPECIFICS ON THIS PARTICULAR SOLAR, UH, PROJECT, THIS IS A 365 KILOWATT SOLAR PROJECT.
WE ARE, UH, COVERING APPROXIMATELY 0.44 ACRES WITH SOLAR PANELS, 0.44 ACRES.
AND THE ENTIRE PROJECT SITE, UH, INCLUDING THE AREA THAT WE WOULD NEED A CLEAR OF TREES IN ORDER TO NOT SHAPE THE PANELS, ET CETERA, IS 1.5 ACRES.
SO COMPARE THAT TO A 40 ACRES SOLAR FARM, WHICH IS THE STANDARD NEW YORK STATE COMMUNITY SOLAR FARM.
THIS IS 1.5 ACRES OF, UH, OF THE CLEARED AREA OF TREES.
IT'S LESS THAN ONE ACRE OF, OF ACTUAL, UH, FENCED IN SOLAR AREA.
UH, AND WE HAVE LEFT, IF YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE GREEN AREA AROUND THE ARRAY, THAT IS NATURAL SCREENING.
THOSE ARE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW THAT WILL NOT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
SO WE ARE LEAVING A NATURAL SCREENING OF FOREST ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS SOLAR PROJECT ON ALL SIDES, EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN AT THE VERY TOP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET WIDE.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE SCREENING THAT AREA NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WITH A FEW, WITH A FEW INFER TREES THAT, THAT ARE EVERGREEN AND, UH, WILL NOT, YOU KNOW, FADE IN THE WINTER.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE ADHERING TO 50 FOOT SETBACKS, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE STATES FOR THESE TYPES OF SOLAR PROJECTS ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, TO PARCEL LINES.
AND, UM, WE ARE 350 FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE TO THE NEAREST, TO THE NEAREST, UH, NEIGHBORING BUILDING.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THERE'S A COUPLE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS.
THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE TOP LEFT UP THERE, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ACTUALLY OFF STRAIGHT ABOVE, UM, THE PUB ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH, UH, THAT YOU CAN'T SEE ON THIS PICTURE.
BUT THE CLOSEST BUILDING TO THIS, TO THE FENCE LINE IS THREE 50 FEET AWAY.
IT'S COMPLETELY SCREENED BY TREES FROM ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
YOU GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM LIMERICK.
UH, JUST, JUST, I DROVE BY IT.
YES, THAT IS, THAT IS THE LOCATION.
UH, SO WE DID A FEW ART ARTISTIC RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED OFF OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE, TAKING OUT WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE OUT FOR THIS PROJECT AND LEAVING IN WHAT WE WILL WEAVE IN.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF SHOTS HERE.
THIS IS THE TOP SHOT RIGHT THERE.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING SOUTHBOUND THE PROJECT IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE A LITTLE BROWN SMUDGE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, AND THAT IS, THAT IS A UTILITY BUILDING WHERE WE'LL HOUSE SOME OF OUR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE REST OF IT BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY SCREENED BY NATURAL TREES THAT ARE THERE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO INSTALL THESE, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO REMOVE THEM.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM PICTURE, THIS IS SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, UH, NORTHBOUND, AND YOU SEE THE SAME THING COMING IN FROM THE NORTH OR COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH, YOU MAY SEE THAT BUILDING THROUGH THE TREES.
UH, BUT UNLESS YOU'RE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE THE SAME THING FROM, UH, THE, THE NEAREST NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
SO WE HAVE A VIEW FROM 6 2 8 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THIS IS FROM THE HOUSE LOCATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE TREES AT THE TOP ARE ACTUALLY SCREENED TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY OF 6 2 8 9, AND THEY CAN'T EVEN SEE, UH, THEY CAN'T SEE THE, THE PROJECT AT ALL, OR SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERNEATH THAT 6 3, 1 0.
THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, 6 3, 1 0, I BELIEVE IT'S THE LIMERICK, UH, PUB.
AND, UM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE SCREENING OF THE TREES ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, I DON'T, I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN SEEING THE, THE UTILITY BUILDING IN THIS SHOT.
SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT, UH, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE VISUAL IMPACT ISSUES FROM THESE ADDRESSES.
AND THEN VIEW FROM 6 3, 6 4, WHICH IS ALSO ACROSS THE STREET, UH, SAME THING.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE SAME SKYLINE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
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DRIVEWAY, AND THAT IS ALL THE VISUAL IMPACT IT SHOULD HAVE FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.AND THEN IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM PICTURE, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT YOU'D SEE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A FEW TREES OFF TO THE LEFT.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF FIRST TREES THAT WE'RE ADDING, UH, IN ORDER TO JUST SCREEN THIS LITTLE AREA WHERE WE HAVE A TURNAROUND, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MAINTENANCE VEHICLES, ET CETERA.
SO THE WHOLE THING SURROUNDED BY A SEVEN FOOT HIGH BLACK FENCE.
UM, AND THE SOLAR PANELS, AS I MENTIONED, ARE ABOUT, UH, 14 INCHES OFF THE GROUND AT THE HIGHEST POINT.
UH, AND THE WHITE, UH, BOXES THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PHOTO ARE THE SOLAR INVERTERS, WHICH WILL STAND A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT WILL STAND MAYBE, MAYBE THREE AND A HALF FEET OFF THE GROUND.
UH, AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK WE PICKED THE, SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION FROM, I, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IN CODE THERE WAS A DEFINITION OF A SIX FOOT OR A SEVEN FOOT FENCE.
THERE WAS NOT, AND I THINK TYPICAL IT'S SIX FOOT, BUT WE ONLY DID SEVEN FOOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD.
I THINK IT WAS JUST MENTIONED GROUP SEVEN FOOT WAS JUST THE NUMBER, SO WE PUT IT IN THERE.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DROP A FOOT.
BUT WE LEFT IT AT SEVEN ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED, AND I THINK THE LOWER IT GOES, THE, UH, IT'S PRETTY WELL SCREENED, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT ADDITION OF NEC DO YOU GUYS USE IN HAMBURG? DO YOU KNOW? WE SHOULD PROBABLY USE THE MOST CURRENT VERSION OF THE NEC.
WE'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR, I WOULD CHECK WITH DREW, BUT WE SHOULD BE USING WHATEVER THE MOST CURRENT AND ACTIVE VERSION OF THE NEC IS.
HAS THAT BEEN ADOPTED BY THE TOWN? GENERALLY, TOWNS NEED TO ADOPT NEW VERSIONS WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED FOR USE.
MOST OF WESTERN NEW YORK IS NOT USING THE MOST CURRENT VERSION.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL
NO, THAT, THAT DEPENDS ON THE STATE.
THE COUNTY AND TOWN ALL REVERT TO THE STATE AND THE STATE'S USUALLY ABOUT TWO, TWO THINGS BEHIND.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ON NOW.
MOST, MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE
IT JUST, THEY JUST FOR IT, JUST RE FENCE.
SO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, ELECTRICAL, OUR CODE INSPECTOR FOR THE ELECTRICAL DOES NOT HAVE A 2221 BOOK.
I THINK HE'S 17, PROBABLY 2017, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON.
AND THAT'S FROM THE STATE, CORRECT.
SO, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT A SEVEN FOOT FENCE.
THAT IS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE 2021 THAT NEEDS TO GO, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT THAT, THAT WE CAN SEE AND WE CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
UH, UTILIZING CLEAN ENERGY REDUCES OUR RELIANCE ON WHAT WE CALL DIRTY ENERGY OR, UH, NON-RENEWABLE FOSSIL FUELS.
UM, AND AS ADAM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE CAN DO THEIR PART WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WITHOUT REALLY DOING MUCH.
THE POWER IS GOING OUT INTO THE GRID.
IT IS POWERING YOUR, UH, YOUR HOMES, YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR APPLIANCES, IF YOU WERE NEAR THE PROJECT.
IT'S IMPROVING THE POWER QUALITY, UH, WHICH IS THE SECOND POINT THERE.
GLOBAL SOLAR PROJECTS INCREASE THE POWER QUALITY OR IMPROVE THE POWER QUALITY IN AN AREA.
AND THAT CAN REDUCE POWER FLUCTUATIONS.
IT CAN MAKE YOUR APPLIANCES RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY AND LAST LONGER.
UM, RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION ALSO HELPS, UH, REDUCE PARTICULATE MATTER IN, IN THE AIR.
A PARTICULATE MATTER HAS BEEN LINKED TO PREMATURE DEATH, HEART ATTACKS, IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT, AGGRAVATED ASTHMA, AND DECREASED LUNG FUNCTION.
UM, WE CREATE JOBS WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS BY HIRING LOCAL FOR O AND M, CONSTRUCTION, SNOW REMOVAL, LANDSCAPERS, WE LOCAL COMPANIES, THE TWO EYES, UH, BASED OUT OF BUFFALO, NEW YORK.
AND, UM, BUFFALO SOLAR IS BASED OUT OF THE PEW NEW YORK.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD HERE.
UM, THESE LOCAL HIRES AND FOR LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA, WE'LL HIRE EVEN MORE LOCAL THAN THAT.
WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE RIGHT HERE IN HAMBURG TO DO THOSE, UH, TYPES OF TASKS.
AND THEY'LL BE UTILIZED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE DI DURATION OF THE PROJECT LIFE CYCLE.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 25 YEAR LIFESPAN, UH, WHERE, UH, CONTINUAL LANDSCAPING IS, IS REQUIRED, LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA.
UM, THIS WILL INCREASE THE REVENUE FOR THE TOWN VIA HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, WORKING WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON.
UM, AND THAT IS, THAT IS EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THE COUNTY OF ERIE COUNTY HAVE NOT OPTED OUT OF, UH, THE STATEWIDE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR SOLAR.
UM, SO NO PROPERTY TAXES CAN BE ASSESSED ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE FIRST 15 YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT WE ARE STILL, UH, ENGAGING WITH THE TOWN, WITH THE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT, WHERE WE WOULD STILL MAKE PAYMENTS TO THE TOWN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UH, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THOSE AREN'T
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TO OFFSET PROPERTY TAXES.UH, AND THEN SOLAR IS ALSO PROBABLY ABOUT THE QUIETEST NEIGHBOR YOU'RE LIKELY TO HAVE, UH, OTHER THAN MAYBE A CEMETERY.
SO, UH, ANOTHER ANOTHER PRETTY COOL THING ABOUT SOLAR.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT SOLAR.
WE HEAR THESE AT OTHER MEETINGS, AND, UH, SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THE AIR ON A FEW THINGS HERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDER, WILL THE PANELS CAUSE GLARE ISSUES? AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT, UH, OUR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE.
THE PANELS WILL HAVE AN ANTI GLARE REFLECTIVE COATING ON 'EM.
THIS IS STANDARD IN 2021, UH, SOLAR PHOTO TAKE MARKET NOW.
AND THIS COATING WILL NOT UTILIZE, UH, PFAS, WHICH IS, UH, POLYFLOR ALCOHOL SUBSTANCES.
UH, THOSE ARE HARMFUL TO PEOPLE
AND THESE SOLAR, UH, SOLAR PANELS AND THE COATING WILL NOT HAVE THAT.
YOU'D BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO SUFFER, UM, TO SUFFER HARM FROM USING WOOD GLUE THAN YOU WOULD FROM BEING NEAR THESE SOLAR PANELS.
UM, WILL I BE ABLE TO HEAR THE SOLAR FARM? I THINK I JUST MENTIONED.
UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN OUR, UH, RESUBMITTAL TO YOU FOR THIS MEETING, UH, THE ATTENUATION CALCULATIONS, UH, THAT THE, THE PLANNER REQUESTED THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
AND, UH, AT THE POINT OF ANY BUILDING NEAR THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR DOCUMENTS, UM, THE, THE MOST THAT YOU WILL HEAR IS, IS 12 DECIBELS FROM THE SOLAR AND THROAT INVERTERS.
AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY EQUIVALENT TO THE SOUND OF A PERSON BREATHING, UM, AT THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE.
THE LOUDEST SOUND WILL BE THOSE INVERTERS, WHICH ARE 65 DECIBELS AT THAT POINT.
AND THAT'S ABOUT AS LOUD AS YOUR KITCHEN REFRIGERATOR.
SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY QUIET PROJECT.
UM, DO THE INVERTERS LEAK OILS OR CHEMICALS? THIS IS A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, THESE PARTICULAR INVERTERS ARE TRANSFORMERLESS, THEY'RE TRANSFORMERLESS STRING INVERTERS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, NO OIL IS USED OR PRESENT INSIDE THEM.
SO, UH, TRANSFORMERS TYPICALLY DO USE OIL AS A PART OF THEIR CHEMICAL TRANSFORMATION PROCESS.
THESE, THESE INVERTERS DO NOT NEED TRANSFORMERS IN ORDER TO OPERATE.
UM, DOES THE SOLAR FARM EMIT EMFS? ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK THIS QUESTION.
YES, THEY DO TO A VERY LIMITED EXTENT.
UM, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICE, INCLUDING THE CELL PHONE IN YOUR POCKET AND THE POWER LINES RUNNING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE COMPLY WITH SAFE LEVELS LISTED IN THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE.
AND, UH, YOU'RE
UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PANELS AFTER 25 YEARS? WE HAVE A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS.
UH, WE WILL REMOVE THE SYSTEM AND RECYCLE AND REUSE THE COMPONENTS, AND THEN LIKELY REPLACE THE SYSTEM AT THE SAME LOCATION WITH THE LATEST, UH, RENEWABLE SOLAR TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE BACK SOLAR TECHNOLOGY, ASSUMING BOARD APPROVAL, ASSUMING BOARD APPROVAL.
OF COURSE, WE'LL ASK, WE'LL ASK AT THAT POINT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL IS TO REUSE THE SITE AGAIN, UH, TO CONTINUE TO GENERATE RENEWABLE ENERGY WITH, WITH MORE UP TO DATE TECHNOLOGY IN 25 YEARS.
IT WILL PROBABLY PRODUCE 10 TIMES AS MUCH IN AN EVEN SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND IN ADDITION, THE PANELS HAVE AN EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF 35 TO 45 YEARS.
UM, BUT THE INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT WILL BE 25 YEARS.
AND THE WARRANTY ON THE SOLAR PANELS, UH, IS 25 YEARS.
SO WE CALL THAT THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN.
SO DO SOLAR FARMS KILL BIRDS? SOME OF YOU MAY LAUGH AT THAT, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT QUESTION A MILLION TIMES.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF HUMAN CAUSED, UH, HAZARDS TO BIRDS.
SO FULL PHOTOVOLTAIC SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.
TALL BUILDINGS, CARS AND HOUSE CATS ARE SOME OF THE TOP THREATS TO, UH, TO BIRD POPULATIONS AND ENDANGERED BIRDS ESPECIALLY.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF RENEWABLE PROJECTS SUCH AS CONCENTRATED SOLAR THAT MAY KILL BIRDS AND HAVE IN THE CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA DESERTS, BUT THEY WORK IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY THAN THIS.
THEY USE HEAT RATHER THAN LIGHT TO MAKE ENERGY, AND THEY CONCENTRATE THAT HEAT IN THE LIVES OF BEANS.
SOLAR PANELS, THE TYPE THAT WE'RE PUTTING HERE, DO NO SUCH THING.
THEY JUST COLLECT LIGHT AND MAKE POWER.
UM, WILL MY TAX ASSESSMENT CHANGE? SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, ASSESSMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTIES AROUND THE SOLAR PROJECTS GOING UP OR DOWN BECAUSE OF THE
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SOLAR FIELDS.UM, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT SOLAR OFTEN HAVE NO MEASURABLE IMPACT ON THE VALUE OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, AND IN SOME CASES THEY MAY EVEN HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT.
SO SOMEONE PUTS A 58 FIRM BEHIND YOUR HOUSE AND SOMEONE LESS LIKELY TO BUY IT.
BUT I THINK LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF KIND OF LIKE, AGAIN, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AND THE WAY THAT SCREEN THIS SCREEN THEM, MAKE THEM SMALL AND IT'S GONNA LOOK AT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.
AND IT'S LIKE A, IT'S A TRUE BELIEF THAT THERE'S LITTLE TO NO IMPACT.
AND THIS IS GONNA BECOME PROBABLY MORE OF A REGULAR CONVERSATION THAN NOT AS THIS STUFF MOVES ALONG OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
BUT JUST, JUST JUST OUR OPINION.
AND THEN, DO YOU NEED TO CUT DOWN TREES TO CREATE THE SOLAR FARM? THIS IS A ITEM THAT WE COVERED LAST TIME AS WELL.
WE WILL NEED TO CUT DOWN FROM TREES.
AND WE DID CONDUCT A SITE WALK AND WE GAVE YOU A BREAKDOWN IN THE PACKAGE WE PROVIDED YOU TODAY.
UM, THAT HAS ACCOUNT OF ALL OF THE TREES THAT WE WILL NEED TO CUT DOWN.
UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE DEAD ALREADY, AND WE WOULD JUST BE REMOVING THE DEAD TRUNKS, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE LIVING THAT WE WILL NEED TO CUT DOWN.
SO, UM, WE WILL BE PLANTING SOME NEW TREES FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING.
UM, BUT WE, WE CERTAINLY ALSO WILL, UH, DONATE TO, UH, ONE TREE PLANET.ORG, WHICH PLANTS A TREE FOR, UH, EVERY DONATION, UH, TO PLANT TWO TREES FOR EVERY ONE TREE THAT WE REMOVE.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE, WE CERTAINLY DO NOT WANNA HAVE A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHEN WE INSTALL RENEWABLE SOLAR.
NOW, UH, THAT IS NOT, THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE.
AND, AND, UM, WE ALSO RE OR REVAMPED THE, UM, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN TO SHOW YOU HOW MANY TREES THAT WE WILL REPLANT AT THE END OF THIS.
UH, ASSUMING THAT WE CANNOT REDEVELOP IMMEDIATELY, WE WILL REPLANT 150 TREES ON SITE, UH, AT THAT POINT.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION HERE IS, UH, WON'T, WON'T THE SOLAR FARM BE AN EYESORE? SO, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING, BUT AS I HOPE YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN FROM THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S A TON OF NATURAL SCREENING ART IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING DOWN.
UH, WE PROVIDED SOME, SOME SHOTS TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE NEARBY RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES.
AND, UH, WE'LL BE USING LOW PROFILE, SELECT A RACKING, WHICH IS ONLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 14 INCHES OFF THE GROUND ANYWAY.
SO THE TALLEST THING IN THE ENTIRE SOLAR PARK, OTHER THAN THE SMALL UTILITY BUILDING, IS ACTUALLY THE SEVEN FOOT HIGH CHAIN FENCE.
SO THANKS FOR SITTING THROUGH THAT.
I KNOW IT'S 20 MINUTE IMPROMPTU PRESENTATION, BUT YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T EXPECTING.
IT'S, UH, NOT ALWAYS SUPER FUN STUFF, BUT WE THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US ALL TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO IT, IT'S HARD TO HAVE LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AND THEN GET ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS TOGETHER, SPECIFICALLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC FOLKS CONVERSATION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NEED MORE INFORMATION.
ONE, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS STUFF.
AND JUST TO, LIKE, AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, THE GOALS OF THIS PROJECT, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT WE WANNA BE THOUGHTFUL ON HOW WE DESIGN AND HOW WE IMPLEMENT.
WE WANNA CREATE ENERGY THAT IS GONNA BE USED LOCALLY.
WE WANNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO CREATE AS MUCH REALLY GOOD HIGH QUALITY, AFFORDABLE NET THROUGH HOW POSSIBLE.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO GENERALLY DO THAT IN, UH, IN AS MUCH SCALE AS WE CAN.
SO WE, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY AND WE WANNA FIGURE OUT.
SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR PIECE.
AND I JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT, THAT WE DID PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING AND A PACKAGE THAT, UH, I BELIEVE SARAH RECEIVED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO GIVE THOSE TO YOU YET.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE WHATEVER QUESTIONS.
SO BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING, A FEW THINGS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, WE, WE'LL KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN SO IT CAN BE RENO WITH A, A MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE LOCATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
TWO, THE, THE WAY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WORK IS THE, THE, THE BOARD RECEIVES COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE BEST, IT'S KIND OF A FORMAL PROCESS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BEST WAY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UM, SOME APPLICANTS AND I THINK DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT WILL HOLD LIKE A SEPARATE MEETING OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS.
UM, OR JUST GIVE PEOPLE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE AND PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
AND I, I THINK THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WELCOME A PROCESS LIKE THAT.
AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE IS MORE OF A BACK AND FORTH WHERE
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WHAT, WHAT WE DO IS SOMEBODY HAS A COMMENT, THEY GIVE US THE COMMENT, AND THEN WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.IT'S, IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH AT THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT BEFORE WE STARTED.
UM, ANYTHING QUESTION A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, TO, TO WHERE YOU ARE IN A LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE PLACED SO INTO THIS, SORRY, I IMAGINE YOU FIGURED OUT HOW THEY'RE BUILT AN ANGLE.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ANGLE THAT THESE ARE LONG GROUND, 10 DEGREES SLOW, 10 DEGREES, SO WHEN SNOWS OR WHATEVER AND THE ICE BUILDS UP, IS THERE AER YOU MAINTAIN THAT AND SERVICE IT TO KEEP IT CLEAN? YES.
WHAT, HOW IS RAIN? SOMETIMES IT'S FROM, YOU KNOW, ABOVE, IT'S NOT CLEAN.
DOESN'T THAT COVER THAT OR AIR THAT AT ALL ON THOSE PANEL? SO THE, THE RAIN, I'VE NEVER EX, I'VE BEEN DOING SOLAR FOR 10 YEARS, I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE RAIN TO HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT, A NEGATIVE SOIL EFFECT ON PANELS ONLY POSITIVE.
UM, THE SNOW ABSOLUTELY WILL, UH, BE A, BE A DETRIMENT AT SOME POINTS IN THE WINTER.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN OUR GENERATION ESTIMATES.
IT IS, ITS RIGHT GONNA HIT THERE, THAT'S GONNA FREEZE UP.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS OF HOW THAT'S GOING.
WELL, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU MAINTAIN THAT? SO, SO IT'S DESIGNED TO DO BOTH.
SO, SO WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME LEVEL OF REGULAR MAINTENANCE, BUT, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOLAR, SOLAR IS REALLY GREAT IN THE SUMMERTIME.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS GOOD IN THE SPRING AND THE FALL AND THE WINTERTIME, IT'S LIKE THE LEAST PRODUCTION POSSIBLE.
WELL, BECAUSE IT'S SOLAR BASICALLY NOT OF OVERCAST.
YOU CAN BASICALLY DISCOUNT A LOT THE WINTER MONTH AND THEN WE BASE EVERYTHING OFF OF THE REALLY HEALTHY AMOUNT IN THE YEAR.
AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO KIND OF THE OM PLAN FOR COMING AND MAINTAINING AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS THERE.
BUT THERE'S THE, THE WAY THAT THE RACKING AND THE, AND THE PANELS AND THEN JUST THE GENERAL STRUCTURE, IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED IN CASE OF A BIG HEAVY SNOWFALL.
BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT WHEN DOES IT PRODUCE VERSUS WHEN IT DOESN'T PRODUCE, AND WHEN'S THE BEST TIME TO GET OUT HERE, THINGS CLEAN THAT KIND MAXIMIZE THE SYSTEM.
BECAUSE BUT IN THAT AREA, IT'S ALMOST LAKE OF FACT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, JUST CURIOUS ON THE MAIN, BECAUSE THE SUN IS YOUR, IS YOUR TOOL.
IF YOU'LL, IT'S OVERCAST, LIKE YOU SAID, THE BAD SEASON, IT'S THE FUEL FOR OUR GENERATOR.
AND HOW DO YOU STORE IT? HOW DO YOU STORE THE ELECTRICITY? IT JUST GOES STRAIGHT OUT TO THE ELECTRIC GRID.
WE'RE CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE NATIONAL GRID LINES RUNNING ALONG IN SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
SO, I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN THE, IN THE SIMPLEST WAY, YOU HAVE A SYSTEM IN FRONT OF THAT WILL HAVE A METER, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM RUNS INTO A METER.
WHEN IT RUNS THROUGH THE METER, IT HITS THE GRID.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING IT GOES TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THE PHYSICISTS ARE AROUND.
AND THEN THERE'S SIMPLY AN ACCUMULATOR THAT KEEPS TRACK OF THAT.
AND THEN IT HELPS US PROVIDE THAT, UH, KIND OF THE BENEFIT TOWARDS THESE, UH, AND I KNOW YOU SAID IT, BUT I I JUST, HOW MUCH THE LIFESPAN OF THESE 25 YEARS IS THE WARRANTED AND CONTRACTED LIFESPAN WITH THE UTILITY? AND IT'S PROBABLY 35 TO 45, THE ACTUAL LIFE SPAN THAT YOU CAN EXPECT.
IS THERE ANY DIFFERENT BEING LOWER TO THE GROUND THAN BEING ON A ROOF? IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS BEING ON A ROOF.
AND IT'S LIKE THE, THE PANELS, THEY HAVE LIKE BASICALLY A, WHAT IS IT, A HALF A PERCENT DEGRADATION EACH YEAR OVER YEAR.
AND IT JUST WORKS ITS WAY DOWN.
AND THEN AT C AT A CERTAIN POINT, IT'S WORTH REPLACING PANELS OR AFTER 25 YEARS, THE PANELS ARE WARRANTED TO PRODUCE 83% OF WHAT THEY DID ON PAPER.
SO WHO, SO GIMME A THREE P THREE ISSUES THAT WILL BE BENEFITED BY THIS.
JUST THREE ISSUES, HOW IT BENEFITS TODD.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, SO THE PRIMARY BENEFIT IS TRULY THE ENERGY THAT IS PRODUCED.
SO I THINK IF YOU BACK UP AND YOU SAY, WHERE IS EVERYTHING BUILT? AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND GRID ELECTRICITY WORKS TODAY, OVER TIME, WE WILL SEE A LOT MORE CLEAN ENERGY GENERATION AND WE WILL THROUGH OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, LEGISLATION AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT HOW DO YOU GET AHEAD AND HOW DO YOU THINK OF WHERE THESE THINGS ARE GOING OVER TIME AND IS IT A 58 FARM THAT GOES IN THAT PRODUCES POWER IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM? WE TYPICALLY, THAT POWER IS PRODUCED, IT'S A DISTRIBUTION LINE, GOES TO A DIFFERENT TOWN OR A DIFFERENT CITY IN THOSE HIGH KIND OF TRANSMISSION LINES, DO IT THIS, THIS SYSTEM AND THIS GENERAL APPROACH IS GONNA SAY, HOW DO WE TAKE A SYSTEM AND PUT IT LOCAL SO THE POWER POWER'S LOCAL? AND THEN AS THAT BECOMES MORE OF A KIND OF A REGULAR CONVERSATION.
AND I GUESS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A KIND OF LIKE A, YOUR TEAM THING ON HOW THAT WORKS WITH, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME WITH, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS CHANGE.
BUT THINK OF LIKE SMALL SYSTEMS IN DIFFERENT PLACES PROVIDE GRID GRID RESILIENCY FOR EVERYBODY AROUND.
SO LIKE THE PRIMARY BENEFITS ARE REALLY GONNA BE THE ENERGY THAT IS PRODUCED, THE CLEAN ENERGY THAT IS PRODUCE IS USED LOCALLY.
AND IT'S THE BEGINNING OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF THINKING OF THIS WHERE IT SMALLER SYSTEMS
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THAT ARE BOTH THOUGHT, BOTH THAT ARE THOUGHT AND PLACED AND YOU DO THEM STRATEGICALLY IN A LOCATION, WE'RE GONNA END TOGETHER IN BETTER PLACE THAN IF, IF THAT KIND OF HAPPENS THE OTHER WAY.WE'RE GONNA WITH BIG 50 ACRE FARM SOMEWHERE, MAYBE NOT IN YOUR SPECIFIC TOWN, BUT NEXT DOOR, HOWEVER THAT GETS TO WORK.
SO I THINK RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER THAN FOSSIL FUEL AND YOU HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE AND IT'S GOTTA BE SOME NUMBER.
AND SO, AND I THINK IF YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE, SO THE LEGISLATION THAT IS BASICALLY BEING PROCESSED RIGHT NOW BY THE END OF THE YEAR SHOULD BE PASSED.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE INCENTIVIZING CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IN A REALLY BIG WAY.
WE'RE GONNA START PANELIZING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT THIS OVER TIME.
AND SO IT'S GONNA FORCE SOME LEVEL OF KIND OF TRANSITION OVER TIME, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT.
WAS IT, IT WAS MY INITIAL UNDERSTANDING THIS PROJECT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO OFFSET THE ENERGY USAGE OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, NOT WITHIN THE TOWN.
SO THIS, SO THERE IS A, THERE'S A, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? SO ENERGY PRODUCTION HAPPENS HERE, STAYS HERE, AND IT'S USED BY THE TOWN, BUT THE UTILITY DOES GIVE US A BENEFIT AND WE CAN USE THAT BENEFIT, FINANCIAL BENEFIT, NOT AN FINANCIAL BENEFIT.
AND SO THERE'S A FINANCIAL BENEFIT THAT WE CAN SAY THAT IF THERE IS ENERGY THAT'S PRODUCED AND IT'S, AND IT'S PROVIDED LOCALLY, THEY DO COMPENSATE US FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT COMPENSATION AND APPLY IT TOWARDS A, LIKE WE'RE WORKING ON A BUILDING IN GEORGIA, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO THAT BUILDING, SO BASICALLY WE CAN TAKE THAT COMPENSATION, SOME OF THE TAX BENEFITS THAT COME ALONG WITH DOING THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, CONNECTING WITH THE PRO, CONNECTING WITH THAT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT YOU, THAT YOU MENTIONED.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE END UP WITH, UH, THE ABILITY TO KIND OF PRICE APARTMENTS AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE.
BUT WE DON'T NEED A FEDERAL SUBSIDY, LIKE A LOW INCOME CLOSING TAX CREDIT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO DO IT.
I THOUGHT WHEN THE PROJECT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE PROPOSED SO THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREEN ENERGY BUILDING SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE NO ENERGY DRAW.
AND FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TOO, THERE'S NO TECH, LIKE, I'M TRYING TO, WHEN YOU WERE ANSWERING THE BENEFITS FOR THE TOWN MM-HMM
I'M TRYING TO GET A HOLISTIC PICTURE BECAUSE SURE.
THEN YOU HAD ALSO SAID A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE CONTRARY TO BENEFITS FOR THE TOWN.
SO I WAS TRYING TO GET A BETTER SENSE AS TO HOW THIS IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE TOWN.
AND IF WE KIND OF ROLL OUR WAY DOWN THROUGH, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE POSITIONED IT THE WAY WE POSITIONED IT.
I THINK IT'S LIKE IT'S, IT STARTS WITH THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT IT AND THE WAY THAT WE INSTALL IT, MAYBE THE PATTERN THAT WE CAN HELP WITH.
THEN IT BECOMES HOW THE TOWN DOES USE THIS POWER AND IT SUPPORTS THE GRID THAT IS LOCAL HERE.
AND THEN THE THIRD BENEFIT IS IT FITS INTO A BUSINESS MODEL THAT JUST PREDICT, JUST PROVIDES, UM, THAT KIND OF LIKE THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING INDEX THAT FIXES A BIGGER PROBLEM.
AND, AND I, AND I WILL ABSOLUTELY SAY, AND THIS IS A HOPE TO GET, YOU KNOW, A BETTER CONVERSATION AND NOT A, WHERE IF YOU'RE HAVING ONE CONVERSATION, WE, UH, THIS GENERAL MODEL, WE WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO SOME OF THAT STUFF IN THIS TIME IF, IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING AND YOU AND, AND YOU WANNA HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO DO IT.
AND SO THIS IS ONE SYSTEM THAT TIES TO A PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, BUT WE'LL DO LOTS OF PROJECTS OVER, OVER, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE, OVER THE UPCOMING YEARS IN WESTERN NEW YORK AND WOULD LOVE TO BE FO UH, SITTING HERE WITH YOU GUYS AND FIGURING THAT OUT.
SO IF WE GO BACK TO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, AND I WANNA FOCUS IN ON THIS PROJECT, NOT THE CONCEPT, NOT WHAT HAPPENING IN EVIDENCE AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE.
ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT IN THE ETY PORTION OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IS THE DESIRE TO BUILD RIGHT.
AND I SAT IN WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING WHEN THEY HAD THEIR MEETING AFTER OUR LAST MEETING AND ASKED THEM ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK THEY HAVE NOT YET PROVIDED IT, BUT THE FIRST COMMENT THAT THEY SAID TO ME WAS, WHY ISN'T THIS GOING ON A, ON A BUILDING SOMEWHERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IS ALREADY NOT AN UNDEVELOPED SITE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING BECAUSE OF THE, THE STRONG ENVIRONMENTAL AND KEY FOCUS ON CITING THAT YOU MADE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION VERY HEAVILY.
AND THEN RECAP AT THE END IS THAT THE GOAL WAS TO CITE THIS RIGHT.
TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO HAVING THAT BENEFIT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TAKING IS A, A GREENFIELD SITE AND CARVING OUT THE MIDDLE WITH ADDITIONAL TREE G CLEARING.
AND I, I RECOGNIZE THE PITCH THAT WAS MADE BY THE FULL SOLAR THAT THERE ARE SOME, SOME BENEFITS, BUT FUNCTIONALLY WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN BASED ON CANDY COMMENTS LAST TIME IS A PARKING LOT IN AN AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY UNDEVELOPED AND THEN PUTTING PANELS ON IT VERSUS THE TRADITIONAL ARRAY SET UP WOULD'VE ALLOWED SOME GRASS, PERHAPS A MEADOW GENERATION, WE COULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT POLLINATOR SPECIES.
SO I I I THINK THAT FOR ME, AND I THINK THAT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CAB, BUT SINCE THEIR FIRST COMMENT WAS WHY ARE WE CITING IT HERE AND NOT ON A, A BUILDING OR A PARKING LOT? I MEAN, THEY NEED A BUSINESS OR TWO.
AND I, I WAS LIKE, WELL, I, I CAN'T TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT BUSINESS MIGHT WANNA PARTNER.
BUT THE FIRST COMMENT WAS WHY DID THEY PICK AN UNDEVELOPED LOT IF WHAT WE'RE FUNCTIONALLY DOING IS PUTTING A PARKING LOT? AND I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, I
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PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY.AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY LENDING RIGHTS ARE, ARE KEY, BUT THE STATED PURPOSE AT THE VERY FOREFRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY WAS TO CITE, TO RETROFIT TO REFURBISH.
AND I, I JUST, I THINK THAT FINDING SOME WAY TO RECONCILE THAT DISCONNECT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
CAN, CAN I COMMENT THERE? SO, SO TAKING IT BACK TO THE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARCEL, IT'S, IT'S RA IT'S RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL, RIGHT? AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PARCELS AROUND, THEY'RE ALSO RA UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD IN MOST CASES, UH, IDENTIFY A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS MEANT FOR A HOME OR A FARM FIELD TO BE ON, RIGHT.
UM, AND CURRENTLY THERE'S NEVER BEEN A HOME ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A FARM ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS SITE, IT IS, IT IS ZONED RA UH, AND A, UH, TIER THREE SOLAR FARM IS, UH, WITHIN, WITHIN THE TOWN CODE FOR AN RA DISTRICT.
UM, AND CURRENTLY THE SITE IS NOT BEING USED FOR ANYTHING.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY NICE A THIRD DEAD FOREST, BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT EVER HAS BEEN EXCEPT MAYBE HUNTING.
UM, AND UH, A LOT OF THE, THERE IS, THERE IS A CREEK RUNNING ALONG ONE SIDE OF IT, UM, THAT DOES PUSH SOME WATER OUT INTO CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE SITE, WHICH WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING A DRAIN PLAN AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PROJECT AND WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE CREEK, ET CETERA.
HOWEVER, WHAT IT DOES IS IT DOES MAKE THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY MUCH LESS DESIRABLE FOR OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO YES, WE ARE DEVELOPING A PREVIOUSLY UNDEVELOPED SITE, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S ZONED, UH, RA WOULD MAKE ME THINK THAT THAT WAS WHY IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY TO BE DEVELOPED AND IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED BEFORE AND IT IS NOT A, UH, TERRIBLY ATTRACTIVE SITE FOR A LOT OF OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND JUST LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK YOU, YOU WERE ASKING SPECIFICALLY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE GREEN COMPONENT AROUND LIKE THE INTENTION FOR THE LOCATION.
AND I THINK, I THINK THERE'S LIKE, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE A LOT OF STUFF.
SO TO MAKE PROJECTS WORK POWER LINE THAT SITS IN THE FRONT REALLY MATTERS.
AND SO WE'LL SAY THAT THE BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING IN ALL OVER THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THEY MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, UH, A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF CAPACITIES FALL.
SO WE'LL SAY LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE, AND I'M JUST KIND OF WORKING MY WAY INTO HOW YOU GET TO A SITE WHERE IT'S SITE RIGHT.
AND WELL, AND I A DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE SITE OR WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID, BUT THE, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ARE CITED, BUT I I I, THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION I, YOU KNOW, IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A, A PARTNER, YOU INDICATED MORE INTEREST.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HAS COME UP IN FRONT OF US A LOT IS UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL SPACE, SOME VACANT, UNUSED PARKING AS AS A PARTNER.
I MEAN IN THE CONTEXT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE, ARE WHAT THE VISION STATEMENT I HEARD FROM YOU AND IT WAS A GREAT VISION STATEMENT AND A GREAT PITCH AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND I A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS SITE IS DEEMED SUITABLE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW DO WE TAKE THAT VISION, I GUESS, AND, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THE FURTHER FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I RECOGNIZE HOW YOU, I I UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION PORTION, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS RECONCILING THE OTHER SPACES THAT MAY BE MORE BUILD READY FOR YOU SURE.
IN THE TOWN THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER UNDERUTILIZED? YEAH.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND I THINK, AND I THINK THAT IF, IF YOU ARE INTENT ON PURSUING OTHER PROJECTS, I THINK THAT IS A KEY, A KEY CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE YOU OR SOMEONE WHO WANNA HAVE WITH THE IDAS.
HOW DO YOU FIT THAT IN WITH THE BROADER MISSION YOU STARTED WITH AT THE BEGINNING AND SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, ARE SIGHTED ON SITES MORE LIKE THAT.
WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME ROOFTOP SITES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME FIELDS THAT HAVE BEEN PRE-DEVELOPED AND HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST LET GO AND, UH, AREN'T BEING USED FOR ANYTHING BUT DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FOREST SITTING ON THEM ALSO.
UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPONENTS OF THAT IS ADAM MENTIONED IS THE STRICTLY THE, THE CAPACITY FOR THE UTILITY LINES TO HANDLE, UM, NEW GENERATION IS EXTREMELY SPECIFIC.
AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO PUT A SOLAR PROJECT OF EVEN THIS SIZE MUCH LESS, MUCH BIGGER, UM, ON A SITE.
UH, IT COULD, IT COULD WORK FINE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON PARCEL A HERE AND THEN TWO PARCELS DOWN, IT COULD NOT WORK AT ALL JUST BECAUSE OF THE INTERCONNECTION.
AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT A LOT OF THOSE, WE'VE LOOKED ALL AROUND AT ROOFTOPS, OPEN ROOFTOPS, SO IT WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH FOR A SOLAR PROJECT LIKE THIS ON BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEW ENOUGH
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TO NOT NEED TO BE COMPLETELY STRUCTURALLY RETROFITTED, UH, IN ORDER TO PUT A PROJECT ON THAT WOULDN'T NEED THE ROOF COMPLETELY CHANGED OUT IN ORDER TO, TO DO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, ET CETERA.THAT ALSO HAS THAT INTERCONNECTION CAPACITY.
THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF THEM, AND WHEN WE, UH, TOOK A LOOK AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF SITES IN THIS TOWN, UM, THAT HAVE THAT INTERCONNECTION CAPACITY PLUS SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, UH, QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, LAND OR BUILDINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE EVEN WILLING TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING A PROJECT ON, ET CETERA.
AND LEMME JUST KIND OF PAUSE THAT REAL QUICK AND, AND I AGREE WITH ALL THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, UM, I I, I DON'T WE EVER WANNA START WITH A LIVING BELIEF THAT THERE ISN'T.
AND, AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION ALWAYS STARTS WITH WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY AND LIKE HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THINGS IN A CREATIVE WAY TO GET TO WHERE EVERYONE'S TRYING TO GO.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND I HEAR LIKE MY, MY GENERAL ANSWER, MY GENERAL INITIAL THOUGHT IS YES AND RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION.
I THINK THAT WE CAN SPRINT IT WELL.
I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE A LITTLE IMPACT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, WE THINK IT IS GOOD FOR, UH, THE BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT'S DEAD VERSUS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA PLANT AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A GOOD BALANCE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT THEN THE END CONVERSATION IS HOW DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN EXPLORE FURTHER, UM, REALLY WITH GOALS ARE WITH EVERYBODY AND THEN WE FIGURE GET THERE, BUT OKAY, THANKS FOR SAYING THAT.
UM, YOU PRESENTED THE PROJECT IS, UH, THE GREEN BENEFITS OF IT AND TALKING ABOUT THE OFFSETTING OF CARBON FOOTPRINT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IN THE RESEARCH THAT YOU PRESENTED OF THE PAPERWORK YOU PRESENTED FOR THIS MEETING, YOU NOTED NOTATED THAT 345 TREES WERE GONNA BE REMOVED TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT.
SARAH, IF WE WERE TO PUT IN AN RA PROJECT AND REMOVE 345 TREES, HOW MANY WOULD WE ASK TO BE REPLANTED OR REDONE IF BIG, IF THE DEVELOPER WENT IN AND CLEAR CUT 345 TREES, WE WOULD HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TREE REQUIREMENT OF REPLANTING.
YOU'RE GONNA DO 690, RIGHT? NO, IT'S ABOUT 45 TOTAL.
BASICALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT IT IS, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YES, THE REPLANT WE WE'RE GONNA DONATE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT TREES SHOW UP AND THAT IS OUR, THAT IS WELL I LOOKED, OKAY, SO THAT WEBSITE YOU WERE LOOKING AT, YOU STATED, UM, FANTASTIC PROGRAM, BUT IT'S NOT REPLACING 345 MATURE TREES AND AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REPLACING THEM, IT'S NOT REPLACING THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN THIS AREA.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COST YOU, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT SAW IT AND THOUGHT THIS IS AMAZING THAT THEY'RE DOING IT, I WANNA LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
ALL THE PRESENTATION IS GOING ON.
IT'S A DOLLAR TREE TO REPLACE THE TREES IN 20 YEARS IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO RE-UP YOUR PROGRAM.
WE JUST LOST AN ACRE OF DENSE FOREST.
AN ACRE AND A HALF OF DENSE FOREST SUFFERED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CARBON IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.
NOT SURE HOW MUCH CARBON IMPACT IS GONNA BE OFFPUT BY THIS PROJECT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OF US TO REMOVE THIS NUMBER OF TREES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ZONED IN RA THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT FROM AN RA DEVELOPER.
IT'S, WE WOULD HOLD THEM TO A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD OF TREE REPLACEMENT YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I THINK SO ONE, WE'RE OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY TOO.
I THINK IT, SO SOME OF THIS IS, UM, CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AND, AND LIKE THERE ARE REALLY GOOD PROGRAMS THAT I THINK WE CAN HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THAT ALLOW THESE THINGS TO BE TRUE IN THE COMMUNITY TOO.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
BUT I DO THINK IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE, UH, SO ON A, ON A PROJECT WHERE YOU TAKE SYSTEM AND YOU PUT IT IN AND YOU TAKE A BUILDING AND YOU DO THE OFFSET, A CARBON OFFSET, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
AND, AND, AND IT WILL AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
I HAVE ENERGY STUDIES THAT SHOW ALL THIS WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTS AND WE SET THEM UP, BUT WE CAN DO A QUICK COMPARISON OF WHAT THE TWO ARE AND WHAT THE OFFSET IS REALLY GONNA BE HOLISTICALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT A 10, 10 MILE RATINGS OR WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE SPACE IS.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH ME, BUT HAVE, AFTER DOING THIS A WHOLE LOT AND I RUN THE CARBON OFFSET NUMBERS EVERY SINGLE TIME.
UM, TYPICALLY ON A PROJECT THIS SIZE YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE 3.6 OR 4.5 ACRES PER YEAR OF TREE PLANTING AS THE CARBON EQUIVALENT OF THE SOLAR GENERATION.
SO IT IS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, UH, DISPLACING IN YEAR ONE.
AND THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR FOR 25 YEARS.
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AND, AND I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU TAKE A FARM BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY BIG ASK FOR THE TREE CUT DOWN.LIKE WE WOULD, I THINK A RESIDENT, AN RA DEVELOPER, THAT'S WHY THIS AREA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
RA IS BECAUSE TO REPLACE THAT NUMBER OF TREES WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL, LIKE TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENT OF WHAT WE EXPECTED THEM.
WE'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT EXPECTATION IS.
SO THE OTHER, UM, SO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAS A HEAVY INTEREST IN THIS RENT AND THEY WILL LIKELY GO OUT AND WALK THE SITE AND MAKE SOME OF THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT.
IT IS WINTER, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU WALK THE SITE, WHILE THE LEAVES ARE OFF, SOMETHING THAT MAY HAVE APPEARED DEAD, MAY NOT BE, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATION AND INPUT.
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT DO LANDSCAPING AND THINGS FOR A LIVING AS WELL AS SOME SEASONED CONSERVATION FOLKS ON THERE.
I THINK WE'LL LOOK TO THEM FOR SOME RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO THEM SO I CAN HELP YOU.
THEIR NEXT MEETING IS, UH, THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA WANNA WEIGH IN.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND, AND I THINK AS A COMMENT SARAH HAD BROUGHT UP, IS A LOT OF THE TREES ON THE SITE ARE CON, ARE DECIDUOUS, NOT CONIFEROUS.
AND IN THE WINTER THAT A LOT OF, I NOTICED THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED, THOSE SIMULATIONS WERE A LEAF ON, NOT LEAF OFF.
AND IT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR US TO GET A VIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THE LEAVES AREN'T ON THE TREES.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE VIEW SHED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, I KNOW THERE'S SETTINGS IN SOME OF THE JS SOFTWARE THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, AND, AND YOU, I THINK IN THE, IN THE PLAN THERE IS, UH, KIND OF LIKE AN EVERGREEN SCREEN.
I I'M NOT GONNA HAVE THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER TO KIND OF SUPPORT ALL THAT.
I THINK WE DID, WE, WE LEFT LAST MEETING WITH IT BEING A GOOD POINT AND, AND, AND IT'S HITS KIND OF LIKE BUCKET NUMBER ONE ON OUR LIST.
SO I THINK JUST UNDERSTANDING THE INTERPLAY OF THAT AND THE, AND THE CAB MAY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL ON THAT.
AND THE PROJECT FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AT LEAST IS ABOUT, UH, THE ACTUAL SOLAR PANELS START PROBABLY 80 TO 90 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD.
UM, AND WITH THAT, WITH THAT STATED, THERE ARE A LOT OF, EVEN IF, EVEN IF THEY'RE, THEY ARE DECIDUOUS TREES WITH NO LEAVES ON THEM, THERE ARE A LOT OF TRUNKS IN THE WAY STILL BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE PROJECT.
SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT IF THERE'S SHOW, UH, KIND OF LOOK AT WINTER VIEW, WE'LL CORRECT.
BUT THAT'S, AND I THINK IF IT IS LARGELY CONIFERS, THERE MAY BE SOME REQUESTS FOR EVERGREEN PLANTINGS ALONG ALONG THE ROAD OR
THERE ARE NO CONIFER TREES ON THE SIDE.
OH, SORRY, THERE CITY NOT CONIFERS.
WE WOULD NOT CONIFER TREES ALONG THE PORTFOLIO SITE.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE ENDED ON, YEAH, WE, WE ADDED IN THE PLAN THAT WE ALL WAY ALONG AROUND THE WHOLE PRETTY MUCH
AND I THINK IT JUST OVER RECENTLY.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I TOOK FROM THIS PRESENTATION THAT I WANNA, THAT IS SOMETHING I NEED TO CHEW OVER IS, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SITE.
YOU HAD ALLUDED TO THE POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE REPOWERING IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IN YOUR MIND THIS IS A PERMANENT PROJECT AND THE GOAL OVER THE LONG HAUL IS TO, IN 25 YEARS OR AT WHATEVER POINT, TO POTENTIALLY REPA AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE SITE AS, AS THIS TYPE OF A COMMERCIAL USE INDEFINITELY.
SO I'LL ANSWER THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A 25 YEAR SPAN ON THE PROJECT TODAY.
AND SO, SO THE WAY THAT THESE, UM, BASICALLY UTILITY CONTRACTS WORK, THE WAY THAT WE SET THIS UP AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONNECT WITH THE GRID AND DO WHAT WE DO IS 25 YEARS.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IN FIVE YEAR LIKE THAT OVER TIME? I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS IN THE NEXT 10, 12 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WILL BE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT WORKS NEXT.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THIS PROJECT CONNECTED TO OTHER THINGS, IT'S 25 YEARS.
AND DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND OUR INTENTION IS ALWAYS TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE WANNA TRY TO DO THE BEST, WE WANNA DO MORE IF WE CAN.
AND WHEN WE GET THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE IT.
LOOK AT IT, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN TODAY IS SAYING IN 25 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET IT BACK TO A PLACE WHERE IT EITHER GROWS MORE TREES OR IT GETS DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO.
SO, UM, BUT FOR TODAY, I THINK I WAS LOOK AT IT STRICTLY THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION LATER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE.
AND I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO EVALUATE IT, OBVIOUSLY GET APPROVAL.
SO, SO EXCUSE ME, WHAT, SO ARE YOU KINDA INDICATING TO CAITLYN THAT YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ALMOST LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE AND YOU'RE GONNA EVALUATE THAT AFTER 10 OR 12 YEARS? NO, NO.
THE UH, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE.
SO YOUR EVALUATION HAS TO ALLOW, IT'S NEW YORK STATE'S GOALS.
IT'S THE UTILITY PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THEY CHANGE OVER TIME EVERY, EVERY FIVE
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TO SEVEN YEARS OR SO.THERE'S NEW PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THEY CHANGE THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN.
BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE SIGN UP FOR A, UH, A FEEDER INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH NATIONAL GRID TO PROCESS THE POWER IS, UM, IT IS A 25 YEAR CONTRACT AT THE END OF 25 YEARS, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT LANDSCAPE WILL LOOK LIKE.
BUT HE MENTIONED 10 OR 12 YEARS.
EXIT CLAUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU, YOU'RE COMMITTED HERE FOR 25 YEARS.
THERE'S NO EXIT CLAUSE OR ANYTHING IN THAT CONTRACT BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T READ IT.
THE, THE ONLY THING I WAS SAYING ON IN 10 OR 12 YEARS, I THINK WE'LL KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON YOUR 26TH AND, AND THEN YOU DON'T, YOU WON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE PULLING OUT, WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT.
OH, YOU PROBABLY, THERE WOULD BE NO FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO PULL OUT.
AND BOB, WE, WE FIRE, UH, YVONNE IF WERE TO HAVE RIGHT.
GONNA SAY, WE'LL, AND THAT'S A PART OF OUR I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
SORRY, I'M JUST, I'M ASKING A QUESTION BECAUSE, AND THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO TALK ABOUT, EDUCATE AS MUCH OF AS WE CAN.
AND I MEAN, ALL THE QUESTIONS, THIS IS NEW, NEW SYSTEMS OUR AREA.
SO WE, I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
SO, SO I GUESS ONE CO WE'RE GONNA OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I GUESS ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT REPLANTING TREES AND HAMBURG, HOW TO, HOW TO START THAT CONVERSATION, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR SOME TOWN BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU'RE REPLANTING TREES, WE'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THEM IN THE TOWN OF HAMMER THAN SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHERE I'LL LOOK AT JEREMY AND I'LL SAY, JEREMY, YOU WERE RIGHT BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER TODAY.
IT'S LIKE, YEAH, PRETTY SURE WE SHOULD, UH, FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A TOWN PAPER PLANNED.
AND, AND I, I MEAN, MY BEST ADVICE ON HOW TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO REACH OUT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR TOWN BOARD MEMBERS.
SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS, UM, THAT BE A START.
MAYBE THIS IS IN THIS, BUT LOOKING AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ASKED FOR LAST TIME MM-HMM
DO YOU SHOW US, UH, OR GIVE US INFORMATION ON WHERE THE TREES THAT ARE TAKEN DOWN WILL BE DISPOSED, HOW THEY'LL BE DISPOSED OF.
ANYONE ASKED FOR THAT LAST TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE, IN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN.
DO YOU STILL WANT THAT? THAT'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU'RE CLEARING THE SITE AT THE, SO THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU CLEARING THE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW? YEAH.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THEM? RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND IF YOU ARE CHIPPING OR SPREADING OR MOVING ANY OF THEM ON SITE, WE'LL NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING OFFSITE, WE'LL NEED TO EITHER HAVE A COMMITMENT THEY'RE OF, OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
NOT JUST THAT THEY'RE GONNA DUMP.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SPECIFIC PLACE, BUT WE NEED TO, THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTED IN HERE.
AND WE HAVE A GROUP THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, SO THE GROUP THAT WE, THAT WE'RE TALKING WITH TO HELP WITH THIS, THEY BASICALLY COME IN AND THEY WILL, UM, ANYTHING THAT IS REUSABLE AND REPURPOSABLE, THEY BASICALLY TAKE IT AND PROCESS IT, REPURPOSE IT, AND CREATE LUMBER OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE THINGS ARE.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT, I THINK IT'S IN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLANT, BUT THERE IS, SO, SO THAT'S IN THE DECOMMISSIONING.
SO WE WANNA, THIS IS CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS PSYCH INSTRUCTION.
SO WHATEVER THAT IS, IF YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE A WRITEUP SO THAT WE HAVE THAT, AND I THINK THAT TIES INTO SOME OF THE WASTE GENERATION ITEMS FROM THE SPEAKER.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY BUFFALO SOLAR TO INSTALL TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY.
DO WE WANNA SAY THE ADDRESS OR DO YOU WANNA LOCATE INTO THE, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS, WHERE THAT IS ON VACANT LAND, SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2021 AT 7:00 PM AND SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK THIS IS BY FAR OUR RECORD OF HOW LONG IT TOOK BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT UNTIL WE GOT TO THE PUBLIC PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, ANYONE HERE WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLAR PROJECTS? FOR SIR, CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS PAUL VAR.
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SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE ASK, UH, REMEMBER, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GIVING COMMENTS, NOT, NOT QUESTION ANSWERS.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO RESPOND, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE TO RESPOND WITH A RIGHT.
THEY'LL MAKE LIKE A LIST OF ALL THE QUESTIONS AND RESPOND IN WRITING.
UH, A SEVEN FOOT FENCE WE BROUGHT UP, UH, WILL THERE BE A SEVEN FOOT FENCE? AND WILL IT BE CHAIN LINK FENCE,
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ANSWER YOU RIGHT AWAY.
THEY'RE GONNA COMPILE ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWER.
RIGHT? UH, IT'S HIS PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, I WANNA KNOW, UH, WHEN THAT WAS TAKEN, I LIVED THERE AND THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH GREEN FOLIAGE LEFT.
THE ASH TREE, UH, THE EMERALD ASH BO, UH, REALLY TOOK A, A DUMP ON A LOT OF IT.
A LOT OF HIS PROPERTY, UH, IS, UH, TOOK A DUMP TOO.
SO I DON'T HAVE A, UH, UH, CAN I PASS THESE PICTURES AROUND? UH, THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO, WELL, YOU CAN PASS THEM TO US, BUT IF WE'RE MAKE THEM PART OF THE RECORD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET COPIES OF SOMEHOW.
CAN WE HAVE 'EM STAND? UH, THEY WON'T STAND IN COLOR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST TAKE PICTURES OF 'EM REAL QUICK AND SEND 'EM TO SARAH OF THAT? OKAY.
SO IF YOU GIVE 'EM TO ME, I'LL TAKE PICTURES IMMEDIATELY.
SEND THEM TO SARAH TO SHARE THE BOARD.
THAT WAY WE CAN ALL BE OPEN TONIGHT PASSING AROUND, BUT THAT WAY THEY'LL BE PART OF THE RECORD.
WHICH, WHICH REMINDS ME OF THAT, THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID BEFORE.
COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE THAT TO SARAH SO SHE, SO IT CAN GET TO THE IT DEPARTMENT AND PUT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
UM, SO BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK PROBABLY COULDN'T SEE IT ALL THAT WELL, AND I, I THINK PEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN BEING ABLE TO PULL THAT UP.
ONE THING I, UH, WAS WONDERING, THERE WAS NO MENTION BUT WITH GAS WELL, BUT JASON TO THEIR PROPERTY, BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY, PROBABLY ABOUT 400 FEET.
THERE'S ANOTHER GAS ACROSS THE STREET BY LIMERICK, THE LOT NEXT TO LIMERICK.
UH, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THAT.
UH, THE LAND WHERE THEY HAVE, I USED TO CLEAR IT.
IT WASN'T MINE, BUT I CLEARED IT 'CAUSE MY DAUGHTER HAD ASTHMA.
I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH YOURS.
UH, HOW IS IT, HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT THE WILDLIFE? WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN THE BACK AND WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY, AS YOU WILL SEE, I'VE TRIED TO MAKE A, UH, A PARK.
I HAVE A THREE ACRE POND IN THE BACK.
WE GO CANOEING, TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN, FISHING, HIKING.
UH, I WON'T USE ANY, ANY, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF POISON IVY BACK THERE.
AND I WON'T USE ANY, UH, CHEMICALS BECAUSE I, I HAD SIX VARIETIES OF FISH IN MY POND.
UH, IN 19, UH, OR 2000 IN THE YEAR, 2000 ST.
PATRICK'S DAY HAD TRACTOR TRAILER JACK KNIFE OFF IT THROUGH WAY, WENT INTO MY POND, SPLIT THE TANK AND SPILLED 150 GALLON'S A DIESEL FUEL.
I GOT SIX, SIX TYPES OF FISH WERE THERE, ONLY FIVE SURVIVED? UH, WE HAVE LIVE WILDLIFE.
I'VE SEEN, UH, UH, ANYWHERE FROM, UH, UH, YOU NAME IT, IT'S THERE.
NOT ALL AT ONCE THOUGH, BUT, UH, I GOT BLUE HERON IN THE BACK.
I KEEP CHASING THEM AWAY FROM THE FISH BECAUSE THEY, UH, THEY'RE PREDATORS.
THERE'S MUSKRAT BACK THERE, THERE'S MINK BACK THERE, THERE'S TURKEY.
YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND I WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE.
IT WAS, I COULD NOT AFFORD IT AT THE TIME, BUT
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I JUST LET IT SET.AND I GUESS I MADE A MISTAKE IN THAT.
BUT, UH, UH, THE SCREEN FOLIAGE ISN'T THAT.
THE TREES, UH, WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE 30 YEARS AGO, THEY, THEY ELM DUTCH ELM THAT WIPED OUT A LOT OF THEM, UH, UP FRONT.
UH, AND NOW YOU GOT THE EMERALD DASHBOARD COMING TO US FROM OUR, UH, AL FRIENDS.
UH, I ALSO HAD, UH, WITH A LOT OF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, UH, ARROWWOOD AND I MADE A PACK THAT ONE OF THEM CATHEDRAL THAT DIED OUT TOO.
UH, I AM STILL TRYING TO MAKE A PARK.
NOT FOR ME, FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.
MY TWO GRANDCHILDREN ARE FISHING.
MY DAUGHTER, MY WIFE FEEDING THE GE THIS WAS JUST AFTER THE SPILL IN 2000 AND I WAS VERY INFLAMED.
MY POND IS, WELL, GEE, ABOUT 800 FEET FROM MY HOUSE.
AND MY FRIEND CAME OVER FROM CANADA.
HE SAYS YOU WANTED TO SHOW HIS NEPHEW THE POND.
AND HE CAME BACK AND TOLD ME, THERE'S A TRACTOR TRAILER IN YOUR POND.
WELL, THERE WAS NO ONE TOLD ME.
UH, FINALLY I HAD A FIGHT, FIGHT IT.
THEY TOOK PICTURES OF IT JUST TO DOCUMENT IT FOR MYSELF.
UH, WHAT HAPPENED? HERE'S A SPILL THAT WAS A SPILL.
THEY DIDN'T DO A
IS THERE A CONNECTION? NO, NO, NO.
AND THAT, THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF PROBLEM THERE.
I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, UH, THE GASS WOULD INTERFERE WITH YOU GUYS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S ONE NOT TOO FAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT ACROSS THE, BUT, UH, STARS TREES, IF YOU GET THE SAY SO.
DON'T PLANT ANY ASH TREES NOR ELM TREES NOR, UH, SCOTCH PINE
I MEAN, THE GOOD THING IS THEY DON'T SURVIVE IF THE TREES ARE PLANTED.
WE HAVE A LIST AND THEY CAN ONLY PLANT CERTAIN KINDS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, I HAVE SOME SCOTCH PINE FRONT AND THEY'RE NOT A REALLY GOOD TREE.
MY NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK IS, THEY'RE ALL BANG OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT.
SO IT, IT GROWS STRAIGHT, BUT THE BRANCHES GO OUT INSTEAD OF UP LITTLE LEAF ABOUT THAT BIG A TEARDROP LEAF IN THE WALL.
IT'S, UH, UH, BEAUTIFUL IN TERMS OF THE COLOR.
UH, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT, AS YOU PUT IT, THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT IS NEXT TO ME.
ISN'T REALLY, EH, IT'S NOT REALLY THE BEST.
BUT HOW'S IT GONNA AFFECT MY TRACTORS? RIGHT.
I HOPE IT DON'T RUIN THE LOOKS OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S AESTHETICALLY APPEALING.
AND, UH, IF YOU GET IT, I HOPE YOU DO A GOOD JOB BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE ON YOUR POCKET.
THERE'S LITTLE, THERE'S A LITTLE RED.
I APPRECIATE, UM, ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SIR? UH, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE COME UP HERE.
I LIVE AT 64 59 SCHULTZ, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND
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THE CORNER OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AND ONE BEING, UM, IS THERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE OF AN INCREASE IN THE TRANSMISSION LINE THAT'S GONNA RUN RIGHT THROUGH MY PROPERTY WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS POWER? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, AND THEY EVEN MENTIONED THE AMOUNT OF RIGHT.
WHATEVER THEY CALL THE RAR THAT COME OFF OF THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE OF IT COMING THROUGH MY PROPERTY.
AND WHAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION, SIR? THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, THE FENCING, DOES THE FENCING START UP THE ROAD AND GO ALL THE WAY TO THE THROUGHWAY OR IS IT JUST, IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE AGAIN, WILDLIFE SITUATION, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ANIMALS.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THIS FENCING IS, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO INTRUDE THE, ON THE SLIDES, THEY DID HAVE A PICTURE THAT SHOWED, SHOWED WHERE THE FENCING WOULD BE.
HOW MUCH SPACE OR HOW FAR THAT FENCING, WHAT'S GONNA GO FROM THE THROUGHWAY AND SOUTHWESTERN? ALRIGHT, SO YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THE CO THE CORRIDOR, JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH OF A CORRIDOR IS BETWEEN THREW AWAY AND THE FENCE? YES.
UM, ANYONE ELSE, UH, ON THE BUFFALO SOLAR PROJECT? BILL, DID YOU WANNA READ THE ONE THAT I RECEIVED VIA EMAIL? SURE.
SO THIS IS FROM JOE WHITMEYER 50 VICTORY, A HAMBURG, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE DENY E TWO ONE REQUEST FOR SOLAR FARM.
NO, I'M NOT AGAINST SOLAR FARMS IN GENERAL.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
ONE, WHY ARE THEY CUTTING DOWN TREES TO ERECT A SOLAR FARM IN HAMBURG THAT WILL BENEFIT A DEVELOPER DOING A PROJECT IN EVIDENCE? TWO.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CUT DOWN TREES TO BUILD A SOLAR FARM? IS THAT REALLY GREEN? THREE.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF VACANT LOTS OR ABANDONED BUILDINGS THEY COULD TEAR DOWN AND USE WITHOUT CUTTING DOWN MORE TREES.
ONCE HE GETS HIS FOOT IN THE DOOR, WHAT IS TO PREVENT HIM FROM REQUESTING TO EXPAND HIS SOLAR FARM TO BENEFIT HIS NEXT PROJECT IN EVANS OR EDEN OR WHEREVER? FIVE.
ONCE HE SETS A PRECEDENT, IT WILL BE HARDER TO DENY HIM NEXT TIME.
AND THAT WAS A, AN EMAIL COMMENT WE RECEIVED AND, UH, A FEW DAYS AGO.
SO, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANY MORE, UH, COMMENTS ON THE BUFFALO SOLO PROJECTS? I HAVE ONE.
DAN? THIS IS MY, MINE IS IF HE CUTS DOWN THE TREES RIGHT NOW, IT'S LIKE IT'S SWAMPY THERE AS IT IS.
AND IF HE CUTS DOWN THE TREES, I KNOW HE SAID HE'S GOING PUT SOME THERE, BUT THE DRAINAGE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WATER.
AND CAN WE GET YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE FOR THE THIRD TIME? ANY MORE COMMENTS OF BUFFALO SOLAR PROJECT? SO WE ARE NOT GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA RE-NOTICE IT FOR DECEMBER 15TH WITH, SO THE PAPER WILL HAVE A BIT MORE OF AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE LOCATION.
UM, WE WON'T NEED TO GO INTO AS LENGTHY OF THE PRESENTATION 'CAUSE IT'LL BE A CONTINUATION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYBODY THAT HAS COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, MR. WHITMEYER DID WE, WE READILY ACCEPT THEM BY EMAIL OR LETTER IN BETWEEN.
AND, UH, THERE WILL BE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I WILL, UH, MOTION THE TABLE BUFFALO SOLAR WHILE KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
ANY MOTION BY MR. CLARK? SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN, UH, TWO WEEKS MINUTE, TWO MINUTE BREAK.
OKAY, SO THE NAMES, THE COMMENTS, THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT? SO, SO YOU, YOU GUYS TOOK DOWN THE, THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS.
IF, IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND, AND PROVIDE US SOMETHING IN WRITING, THEN THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO THE NEIGHBORS GET THE, UH, RESPONSE.
AND LIKE I SAID, IF, IF YOU WANNA ON YOUR OWN GET CONTACT INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE AND HAVE AN ACTUAL BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN US TRYING TO DO IT AS A GOWE, IS THERE A GOOD WAY TO GET, CAN WE GET CONTACT INFORMATION BEFORE WE GO? WE'RE TAKING THE TWO MINUTE BREAK SO YOU CAN USE THOSE TWO MINUTES FOR THAT.
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WE GET THE, UH, LIST OF, UH, ALLOWABLE PLANTS? OH, SARAH CAN PROVIDE THAT.I HAVE AN ACCEPTABLE, WOULD RECOMMEND YOU.
PROBABLY THE SAME ISSUE WITH ONE.
TO TRANSFER THEIR INSURANCE DEAL WITH CS.
NOW THEY GET CSS, CS TO WRITING, FOR EXAMPLE.
MARLENE ALWAYS GOES TO WRITING.
IF I GO TO CVS, MY INSURANCE, IT'S CHEAPER.
PHARMACEUTICAL, THEY MAKE THE, WHAT'S THAT BREAKER? THEY'RE NOT BREAKER.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THAT BREAKER.
I CAN HEAR STARTS, I CAN HEAR YOU CAN CHANGE IT BACK.
THE ONLY THING LINE, SO THERE WAS LIGHTS IN THE GARAGE, BUT THAT'S JUST GARAGE DOOR.
YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, TAKE A PICTURE AND SEND ME, I COULD GO BUY A BREAKER.
A I'M TELLING YOU, I I CAN'T GET CAMERAS, I CAN'T GET.
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS LAMI INC.REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 4 4 1 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO WE'VE GOT, UM, HAD TO GO TO THE ZBA FOR VARIANCES NEXT WEEK.
I WAS WONDERING WHY WE, SO, SO TODAY WE'RE JUST GETTING AN ILLUSTRATION.
SO, WE'LL, AGAIN, ALL FROM FJ ASSOCIATES.
UM, TODAY IS REPRESENTING MR. PATEL.
UM, WE ARE JUST, UM, ADDING A GARAGE ONTO THE FRONT OF, UH, THE EXISTING PROPERTY THERE.
UM, THERE'S, I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
UH, OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS VARIANCES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE, UM, UH, THE ZBA, UH, THERE WAS QUESTIONS REGARDING DOWNSPOUTS AND DRAINAGE.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, ENGINEERING WAS FINE WITH JUST SHEET DRAINAGE DOWN TO THE, THE PROPERTY LIKE, LIKE IS OCCURRING ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
JUST THE, UH, GARAGE, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT OF, OF THE PROPERTY AREA.
ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE YOU PRESENTED THIS TO UVA AS OF YET? NO, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WEEK.
I BELIEVE YOU ONLY
RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK OUR PLAN LAST TIME WAS, WAS WE WANTED THEM TO COME IN SO WE COULD SEE THE PICTURE AND GET THE DOWNSPOUTS THING TAKEN CARE OF.
AND AS LONG AS THAT SEEMED SET, WE WERE GONNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 15TH.
YEAH, THAT WAS OUR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MR. LAMIS PROJECT FOR DECEMBER 15TH.
WHAT DO WE DO IF THE ZBA DOESN'T GIVE THEIR THEIR VARIANCE, THEN THE, IT IS WITHDRAWN AND WE JUST, WHEN WE GET HERE, WE SAY THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
SO WE'RE PUTTING A HORSE BEFORE WE CUT THE PATCH.
I FEEL LIKE WE ONLY GOT TWO EYES.
SO, SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD CANCEL PUBLIC HEARING.
AFTER WE SAID AFTER WE SAID WE IF AN APPLICATION WITHDRAWN.
I I I MIGHT HAVE CONFUSED ALL BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT TIER TWO SOLAR, BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT, BECAUSE I DIFFERENCE MEETINGS AND I KNEW THAT WAS NOT GONNA BE AN EASY ONE.
THIS IS LITTLE AREA VARIANCE FOR THIS THAT NIGHT.
ON THE 14TH, NO, THEY MEET NEXT TUESDAY.
OH, I'M, THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED.
ANYWAY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL MEET BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
IF, IF THEY HAVE THE VARIANCES, WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THEY'RE DENIED THE VARIANCES, THE APPLICATION WILL BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD IT ANYWAY.
THEY NEVER GIVE SARA TIME TO NOTIFY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM OF THE AGENDA IS DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKE SHORE ROAD AND BIGTREE ROAD.
THEY HAVE ASKED TO BE TABLED TONIGHT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE, UH, THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE IS GONNA DISCUSS THEM, UH, NOT AT TOMORROW'S MEETING, BUT NEXT WEEK ON THE NINTH.
SO I'LL PUT THAT BACK ON THE 15.
UH, AND THE CAB IS PLANNING ON SENDING COMMENTS.
BUT THEY, BUT THEY ALREADY REVIEWED THIS PROJECT.
THEY TALKED, YES, TARA ATTENDED THE MEETING, BUT THEY'LL BE PROVIDING SOME FOLLOW UP.
SO FINAL AUDIT ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO WE GOT, UH, OR, OR THE APPLICANT OH YEAH.
MADE SOME CHANGES TO THEIR DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT BASED ON COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND I'LL WAIT FOR JENNIFER TO GET BACK 'CAUSE SHE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I, I WAS THINKING THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, SECRET'S PRETTY FORMAL PROCESS.
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UM, WE EITHER COULD SAY THAT NEW ONE WAS A, THE, WELL, THE, THE AMENDED SUBMISSION IS ANOTHER SUBMISSION AND WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO REVIEW THAT ONE.OR WE COULD VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MADE CHANGES, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THERE, THERE WERE SOME, UH, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, DEFICIENCIES IN THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION AND THEN THEY COULD THE, AN AMENDED ONE.
BUT IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE, WHAT IT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AS THE DATE THAT WE ACCEPT THE NEXT ONE.
ONLY THING I SAY IS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE RECORD'S CLEAR.
THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL NOTICE OF DEFICIENCIES IN THE FIRST TRIAL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THERE WAS NO DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED.
IT WAS JUST COMMON THAT WE TRIED TO SUPPLEMENT.
AND WASN'T INTENDED TO BE AN AMENDMENT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU SAID DEFICIENCIES.
RIGHT THERE, OFFICIAL NOTICE OF DEFICIENCIES, RIGHT? THERE'S NO OFFICIAL NOTICE OF DEFICIENCIES.
UH, BUT THE, THE CHANGES BECAUSE BECAUSE SEE'S A BIT MORE FORMAL THAN THE OTHER THINGS WE DO.
UM, I, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW WE DO THAT.
AND I WAS THINKING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN OFFICIALLY ACCEPT THE CHANGES UNTIL WE DO A NOTICE.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT IT AS A NEW SUBMISSION AND, AND DO THE 30 DAY CLOCK FROM WHEN YOU, YOU, YOU GAVE US THOSE CHANGES OR MAKE AN OFFICIAL DETERMINATION ON THE FIRST ONE, NOT THE SECOND ONE.
SO, SO WE HAVE A, WE, WE GOT A SUBMISSION THAT WE, WE HAD LAST MEETING.
I THINK BOARD MEMBERS HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, WITH THAT, RIGHT? IN THE MEANTIME, TARA WAS GIVEN OUR COMMENTS THROUGH THE, MY COMMENTS AND SHE ADDRESSED MOST OF THOSE AND RESUBMITTED.
SO I GUESS DOESN'T MATTER, WE WERE THINKING YOU COULD, YOU WOULD PROBABLY VOTE TONIGHT ON THE SUBMISSION THAT YOU HAD LAST.
RIGHT? WE, WE, AND WE COULD DO THAT.
UNDERSTANDING THAT NOW THE REVISED ONE, IT DOES ADDRESS MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE.
AND SO IN TWO WEEKS, IF YOU WERE COMFORTABLE AND YOU COULD THE COMPLETE SINCE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL SINCE THE, I GUESS TARA'S COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE LAST, WITH REGARD, LET'S JUST CALL IT THE FIRST INITIAL DRAFT MM-HMM
WERE KIND OF AN INFORMAL, NOT MEANT TO BE A FORMAL SUBMISSION.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO THE ROUTE.
WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE FIRST ONE.
AND, AND THEN, UH, LET AND THEN MAKE SUBMIT.
IF THERE'S ANY EDITS AFTER TONIGHT, THEN YOU CAN HAVE AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESUBMIT THAT ONE WITH ANY CHANGES IF RIGHT.
WHICH WON'T TAKE LONG BECAUSE THEY ALREADY STARTED.
SO HAS EVERYONE GOTTEN A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DRAFT RESOLUTION ON THE ORIGINAL DEIS AND WE'VE GOT A LIST OF, UH, OR BEEN LABELED AS INADEQUACIES AS ANYONE HAVE, I GUESS TO START, HAS EVERYONE HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT LIST? ARE THERE ANY ON HERE THAT PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THAT YOU THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD REMOVE? WE'LL START WITH THAT QUESTION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY YOU THINK SHOULD BE REMOVED? OKAY, SO NONE THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
ANY THAT ANYBODY THINKS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE LIST? I HAVE SOME, I HAD A COUPLE THINGS.
I I LEFT MY HARD COPY AT HOME.
OF THE YOU MEAN YOU WANT THIS? I WANT THIS BEAUTY.
UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AND WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THIS COMES WITH AS A FORMAL INADEQUACY OR GENERAL COMMENT, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO GET A REVISED VERSION SUBMITTED.
I, I'M GONNA NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS ON IT, IF IT'S OKAY.
UH, PAGE SEVEN, SECTION 3.2 0.1.
THERE'S A WHOLE, UH, THERE IS A BUNCH OF SPECULATIVE COMMENTARY ON THE NOISE AND THE DECIBELS.
UH, AND BY SPECULATIVE, I MEAN THERE'S NUMBERS BUT THERE'S NO SOURCE FOR THOSE.
SO IT SAYS LIKELY ABOVE 80 DECIMALS, PASSENGER VEHICLES THINK ANTICIPATED TO BE 70, 80 DECIMALS.
THERE'S NO CITATION FOR THAT IN HERE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF SOMETHING'S BEING PRESENTED, THAT IF THE APPROPRIATE BACKUP IS INCLUDED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ZONING SECTION
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AND INTO THE SECTION ON LIGHT AND NOISE AND THEN IN A COUPLE OTHER PLACES RECURRING THROUGHOUT THIS IS THIS, THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY ASKED TO COMMENT ON WAS RURAL CHARACTER, PARTICULARLY FROM THE VANTAGE PLAN, HELPS ROAD AND THE CHANGES THERE.ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT'S MADE THROUGHOUT HERE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF DETAILED DESCRIPTION ANALYSIS IN THE MAIN TEXT IS THIS WILL STILL BE, THIS PROJECT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RURAL CHARACTER.
WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS A MORE FLUSHED OUT ANALYSIS OF WHY YOU THINK THAT THAT'S SUPPORTED.
UM, UH, WHY, AND THAT IS INTENDED TO BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE ZONING ZONING, OBVIOUSLY SETBACKS.
THERE'S DEFINITELY PRESCRIPTIVE THE CHARACTER AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SETTING AND, AND WHY THE DOLLAR GENERAL ITSELF AND AND AESTHETICS OF THAT SITE AFTER DEVELOPMENT IS STILL A RURAL ITEM.
UM, AND THEN I WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE LACKING.
AND THEN THE SECTION ON THIS IS, SO THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT FELL UNDER THREE FIVE, THE ZONING AND THE HEADLIGHT.
AND THEN I ALSO HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD MENTIONED IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENTS WAS DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENTS.
AND THE ONLY DISCUSSION OF DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENTS THAT WE FOUND.
AND THAT WAS A REALLY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, WAS PUTTING A RIGHT EXIT ONLY.
AND AS YOU'LL KNOW, BASED ON MY EXTREMELY LONG CONVERSATION WHERE I TRIED TO HA CHAT WITH MR. UM, THE GUY WHO JUST RETIRED FROM NEW YORK STATE, DOT RAKOWSKI, RR AND RAKOWSKI, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY A FAN OF RIGHT ANGLE EXITS FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I THINK IN ONE OF THESE DOLLAR GENERALS WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING AT RIGHT OUT ONLY.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THIS ONE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT GOING SOUTHWESTERN.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALIGNMENT TO ME ISN'T JUST PUTTING IN LIKE THE LITTLE CURB THING AND WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING'S RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE EXITING, TURNING LEFT PAGE 16, UM, BUT WOULD BE SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT ALTERNATIVES THERE ARE TO THE DRIVEWAY OR SPECIFIC, MAYBE A DIAGRAM OR DISCUSSION ON WHY OTHER PLACEMENTS ARE NOT VIABLE AND COULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AND ARE NOT A VIABLE OPTION HERE.
SO EVEN IF AN AN ALTERNATIVE IS NOT VIABLE AND SOMETHING YOU CAN'T DO, THE EXPLANATION AND THE BACKUP AS TO WHY, HERE'S THE ALTERNATIVE WE LOOKED AT.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
AND HERE'S WHY WITH SOME SPECIFIC BACKEND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE INTEREST, UM, THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE THE, THE BIG ONES THAT I HAVE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, ON LIGHTING ON THE RURAL CHARACTER.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE GENERAL SARAH HIT IT WITH HER COMMENT WITH SIX ON REFERENCES.
BUT THERE'S, UH, NOT MUCH IN THE WAY OF CITATIONS THROUGHOUT HERE BACKING UP SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE.
AND IT'S HARD FOR US IN OUR REVIEW TO VALIDATE WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE, THE, THE MATTER OR THE OPINION OR WHAT WAS STATED.
YOU KNOW, THE NOISE IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE WITHOUT HAVING A SPECIFIC BACKUP TO WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM AND WHY.
SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO ADD THOSE TO THIS LIST SOMEHOW.
THOSE ALREADY THE LIST RIGHT HERE AND WE NEED TO DO IT TONIGHT.
RIGHT? THOSE, NO, IT'S NOT BAD.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY FALL INTO A COUPLE BUCKETS AND IF YOU WANNA UMBRELLA IT, I THINK I WAS HELPING HIM WITH PAGE NUMBERS AND THE SECTION NUMBERS.
THOSE WERE JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAD A WHOLE SEPARATE SECTION ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER, BUT HE WANT US TO ALSO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CHARACTER IN THE ZONING SECTION.
UM, I THINK THAT THE, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE, SO THE SECTION ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER HAS A WHOLE DISCUSSION ON ZONING IN IT.
AND THERE ARE STATEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT PAGE 12 UNDER COMMUNITY CHARACTER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SECTION 3, 5 2, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT TREATMENTS, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, THINGS BEING GREATER THAN CODE.
AND I THINK ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE VERY RELATED TO ZONING CODE AND ARE PERTINENT TO THAT ZONING DISCUSSION.
BUT IT'S, IT BASICALLY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER.
IT SAYS IT'S NOT NEAR ANY OF THESE THINGS.
WE DON'T REALLY GO INTO AN ANALYSIS ABOUT WHY THIS IS WHY YOU WOULD SAY IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER THAT EXISTS THERE.
I, WE HAVE A ZONING DISCUSSION.
I THINK THE ZONING DISCUSSION IS RELEVANT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT GOES UNDER COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
IT'S HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL.
AND I DON'T, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT AS WELL ADDRESSED MM-HMM
OR EVEN, ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S, I MEAN, I'M GONNA KEEP THAT THE WAY I HAD IT WRITTEN.
UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KIND OF ARTICULATE THAT.
SECTION THREE FIVE DOESN'T FULLY ADDRESS.
I I I HAD IT WRITTEN AS VAGUE DESCRIPTIONS ABOUT HOW
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THE PROJECT FITS INTO CHARACTER AND I THINK I, I MIGHT JUST LEAVE IT AS THAT.WELL I WOULD SAY THAT THE SECTION FOCUSES MORE ON ZONING IF YOU'RE INTO ZONING THAN IT DOESN'T.
CHARACTER SECTION 3.55 ON THIRD COMMUNITY CHARACTER FOCUSES MORE ON ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAN IT DOES ON CHARACTER THEN INSTEAD OF CHARACTER.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION THERE OF HOW THE, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO KEEP IT.
THERE'S NO, IT HAS THESE CHARACTERISTICS, THIS QUALITY AND THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND CHARACTER.
THE COMMUNITY WITH SECTION 0.35.
BECAUSE IT'S COMMUNITY CHARACTER SECTION.
ANY OTHER ONES? I STILL HAVE CONCERN WITH THE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN.
I DON'T THINK HOW THAT'S CHANGED ANOTHER IMPACT STATEMENT.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO, DO YOU THINK THEY ADDRESSED IT ADEQUATELY INSIDE? I I KNOW THEY DID.
I JUST HAVING TROUBLE SAYING THAT PEDESTRIANS AND WHITE TRAFFIC, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN, AN AREA WE HAVE TO, I HAVE TO CONSIDER, I CAN'T, I CAN'T NOT FEASIBLY SEE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE RESIDENCE NEARBY OR WALK ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN OR WALK ALONG SOUTHWESTERN, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS AND GET TO THEIR SAFETY.
WELL REMEMBER TOO, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE AGREE WITH WHAT THEY WRITE.
IT'S JUST ADEQUACY OF, OF WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED SO FAR.
SO, SO SO YOU COMMENT WOULD BE THAT YOUR COMMENT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE PROJECT, NOT TOWARDS THAT THEY, THE ANSWER THE QUESTION IS NOT TO YOUR SATISFACTION.
WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A DEFICIENCY.
AGREE WITH THAT? NO, THAT'S WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING JUST AT THE FACE OF THE M JUST LEMME JUST COMPARE THAT ONE MORE TIME.
UM, JEN, IS IT FAIR TO ASK UNDER THE ACCIDENT ANALYSIS WHEN THEY'RE REFERENCING THE TIME PERIOD AND THAT THERE WERE NO, THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS AND THE PERIOD INVOLVING UH, UM, ONE ACCIDENT DURING A THREE YEAR PERIOD, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO PUT, UH, THE YEARS OF THE PERIOD SO THAT YEARS LATER IF SOMEBODY'S READING THIS DOCUMENT, THEY WOULD BE AWARE THAT THIS TIME PERIOD THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS DURING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WHEN TRAFFIC PATTERNS MAY HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY ALTERED FROM THEIR ORIGINAL.
LIKE WE'RE IN HERE STATING THAT, MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE ACCIDENT ANALYSIS IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT A TYPICAL FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WOULD BE.
AND I'M NOT ASKING TO MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS, I JUST THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT THE FIVE-YEAR ANALYSIS AND THEN BRACKET THE YEAR SO THAT IT IS A MORE, UM, ACCURATE DEPICTION.
PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE TIME PERIOD THAT WAS VIEWED.
IF YOU THINK THEIR DESCRIPTION OF THE TIMEFRAME IS INADEQUATE AND YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT A DEFICIENCY, THEN YES YOU CAN
BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT I FEEL LIKE IT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS NOT AS ACCURATE.
SO YEAH, I THINK, UM, SECTION THAT WOULD BE SECTION 3.6, 0.2 PAGE UNDER, UM, PAGE 1515, UH, PERIOD OF TRAFFIC STUDY SHOULD INDICATE THE, THAT ANALYSIS, LIKE ANALYSIS.
SO THE APPEND DOES PROVIDE THAT.
THE ACTUAL REPORT ITSELF, IT'S IN THE APP DEPENDENCIES DOES PROVIDE THE YEAR IF YOU WANT TO PUT THE YEAR THE ACTUAL CASE OF DOCUMENTS OUT.
I JUST WANNA GIVE THE INFORMATION THAT IT IS.
NO, I KNOW IT'S IN THERE 'CAUSE I'VE READ THAT DOCUMENT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THIS COVER PART WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT MOSTLY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE READING.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT THOSE YEARS, IT WAS A PRETTY UNIQUE PERIOD TO SAY THE LEAST OF THIS PAST TWO YEARS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION ALSO ON THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION TO THE BOARD IS THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUS STOP.
SARAH MENTIONED IT TO ME EARLY, MENTIONED TO ME EARLIER TO FLAG FOR DISCUSSION THE BUS STOP THE SCHOOL BUSES.
THERE'S ONLY THE SCOPING STATEMENT SAYS DESCRIBE FOR THE PROJECT POST ACTION.
SO WHAT THAT CURRENTLY LOOKING AT SITE THAT'S ON THE LIST ALREADY.
UM, AND THEN WELL YEAH, BUT ON THE LIST IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU WANT EXPANDED INFORMATION, IT JUST MAKES A STATEMENT.
THE STATEMENT SAYS IT THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST.
THERE'S ONLY ONE SENTENCE REFERRING TO THIS LOCATED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT WE MAY WANT SOMETHING MORE THAN WE DON'T THINK A CAN AVENUE YEARS WILL IMPACT, UH, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK UP ON, ON THE BUS, ON THE BUS STOP.
AND THE OTHER ONE SIMILAR TO THAT, I THINK SARAH DIDN'T HAVE THIS ONE IS, BUT WE, INSTEAD OF, WE HAD ASKED FOR THEM TO KNOW
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HOW RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WILL WALK OR BIKE TO THE SITE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COUNTS AS AN ADEQUACY OR NOT, BUT THEY DID NOT ANSWER THAT.THEY JUST SIMPLY SAID IT'S, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S LEVEL C AND BASICALLY SAID IT'S NOT NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GET THERE.
SO IT, I THINK THAT'S SIMILAR TO BOB'S COMMENT.
SO THEY, SO THEY SAID, SO INSTEAD OF DESCRIBING HOW ONE MIGHT GET THERE, THEY JUST SAID THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY ADEQUATE.
AND WE'VE ALL SEEN PEOPLE USE THINGS IN WAYS THAT AREN'T, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GO HAVE TO GET SOMEWHERE THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE.
SO SOMEHOW CLARIFYING THAT THAT WOULD ONE OTHER, I THINK THAT WAS A, A BIG COMMENT THAT CAME IN FOR FOLKS AS PART OF THE YEAH.
I DON'T, AND THIS IS THE, JUST THE GENERAL PROBLEM WITH THE TIS, RIGHT? ONE OF YOUR THING IS YOU WANT AN APPENDICES 'CAUSE YOU WANT SOURCES, WHICH MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.
BUT THE MORE WE TRY TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT'S JUST NOT AVAILABLE NOW, IT'S JUST RECKLESS SPECULATION.
OKAY? SO ALL WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE FACTS.
YOU GUYS CAN ACCEPT THE FACTS AND THEN REVIEW 'EM AT A LATER DATE.
SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT TRAFFIC, I MEAN, WE CAN ONLY GIVE YOU WHAT WE HAVE.
I MEAN, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE HOW THE, HOW RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WILL WALK OR BIKE TO THE SITE, RIGHT? IS WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED.
AND WHAT'S IN THERE IS, IT'S NOT ADEQUATE.
SO, BUT WE CAN'T SPECULATE, OH, THEY'RE GONNA JAYWALK OVER THIS WAY.
IS IT NOT? OF COURSE PEOPLE DO IT, BUT WE CAN WE STATS TO BACK THAT UP.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, JENNIFER, IF YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY, LIKE IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO, THIS GONNA BE STATE SAYS THEY NEED TO DESCRIBE HOW RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WALK A BIKE TO THE SITE.
AND THEN THEIR ANSWER WAS THEY'RE NOT GONNA, AND THEIR ANSWER IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA, I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERS THE, IF YOU THINK IT'S AN IN INADEQUATE RESPONSE TO I I DO, THEN YOU CAN ADD IT TO YOUR LIST.
WHETHER THEY ARE ABLE TO AMEND THAT ANY FURTHER WOULD BE UP TO YOUR DECISION.
I MEAN, I GUESS OUR QUESTION IS DO WE THINK THAT'S AN INADEQUATE RESPONSE OR DO WE THINK IT'S JUST A RESPONSE THAT WE DISAGREE WITH? BUT IF THE BEST RESPONSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, I THINK THAT THERE'S WAYS FOR THEM TO DO THINGS SUCH AS, SAY WE FIND IT EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THAT ANYONE WILL VISIT THE SITE, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK APPROXIMATELY THIS TYPE OF A ROAD.
I MEAN, I THINK IN MY MIND THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT A WALKWAY OR WHATEVER, IF THE QUESTION IS HOW RESIDENCE THE AREA WALKER BIKE TO THE SITE AT A, AT A MINIMUM, IF THE PERSON WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET WANTED TO GET THERE OR THE PERSON NEXT DOOR WASN'T GONNA DRIVE OUT OF THEIR ADJACENT DRIVEWAY AT A BARE MINIMUM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
IF I WAS, I THINK IT'S MRS. DEVON WHO LIVED ACROSS THE STREET, I WOULD NOT DRIVE FROM MY HOUSE TO DOLLAR GENERAL IF I LIVED THAT CLOSE.
AT A BARE MINIMUM, I FEEL LIKE WHETHER OR NOT ONE IS SPECULATIVE OR NOT.
YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE DREW, THAT IS A RESIDENT MAY WALK AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE SCALE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND MOVEMENT, I THINK WE NEED A DESCRIPTION OF HOW AT LEAST SOME RESIDENTS MAY WALK RIGHT TO THE SITE.
TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE.
WE'LL REVIEW ALL THE COMMENTS AND DO THE BEST WE CAN.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT SECTION THAT IS? SHE'S TRYING TO PULL IT UP AND IT WAS IN DREW'S MEMO IF YOU WANTED TO FIND A SHORTCUT.
SO THE ONE IS 3.6 0.1 IS JUST THE DESCRIPTION IN THE AREA AND 3.62 IS WHERE THEY ABOUT THE IMPACT AND HOW THE AFFECT.
SO I MEAN THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION.
DO WE WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S AN INADEQUACY OR DO WE JUST DISAGREE WITH THEIR RESPONSE? I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER OR NOT WE INCLUDE THAT.
UM, OR OR DO WE THINK IT'S FINE? I GUESS THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS THAT WE GO HERE.
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK? WELL, THEY AHEAD OF WHAT? THEY DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER IT.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST FOUR.
I GUESS THAT NOT LIKE A FUNDAMENTAL DETERMINATION ON THE LEVEL OF IMPACT IT'S LEGAL DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS IN THE DOCUMENT AND THAT'S ON US NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO I WILL READ THE RESOLUTION AND GO THROUGH OUR LIST.
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IF I'M GOING THROUGH AND SOMEBODY THINKS SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT, I GUESS JUST STOP ME, I'LL, I'LL TRY AND GO SLOW.UM, DOLLAR GENERAL RESOLUTION INCOMPLETE DEIS DECEMBER 1ST, 2021.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM THE BROADWAY GROUP LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AND RELATED ACCESSORY USES ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND ITS INTERSECTION WITH LTZ ROAD.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARK 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT, STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW.
HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD INITIATED A SEEKER COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION AND ESTABLISHED THE PLANNING BOARD AS THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A DOLLAR GENERAL MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THEREFORE ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AND MADE THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AVAILABLE AND CONDUCTED A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING ON THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AT THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL 6 1 0 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK AT 6:00 PM ON JUNE 2ND, 2021, AND ISSUED A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT DATED JUNE 16TH, 2021.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A-D-E-I-S ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2021, AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE DEIS AGAINST THE FINAL WRITTEN SCOPE AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS IS INCOMPLETE NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PER SECTION 6 1 7 0.9 OF SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS SUBMITTED FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT IS INADEQUATE WITH RESPECT TO SCOPE AND CONTENT AND HAS IDENTIFIED THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT, THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE DEIS 1.3 LEAD AGENCY DESIGNATION.
PAGE TWO, NO EXPLICIT DESCRIPTION OF THE SEEKER LEAD AGENCY PROCESS.
1.4 INTERESTED INVOLVED AGENCIES.
PAGE TWO, THE LIST OF INTERESTED AGENCIES DOES NOT MATCH THE SCOPING DOCUMENT LIST.
1.6, POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND MITIGATION MEASURES.
PAGE TWO, THE SUMMARY OF POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED ACTION IDENTIFIED IMPACT AVOIDANCE AND MITIGATION TECHNIQUES AND STRATEGIES WAS NOT PROVIDED.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS WOULD BE OF THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING TREES AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 5 5 0 HEALTH ROAD HEALTH ROAD.
LET'S GO OUTTA ORDER HERE, UH, JUST TO TRY AND KEEP THE NUMBERS RIGHT.
UH, DESCRIPTION OF NOISE LEVELS IS SPECULATIVE DUE TO NO SOURCE INFORMATION REFERENCED.
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION OF DELIVERY HOURS OR SOLID WASTE PICKUP.
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THE CONSTRUCTION COULD RESULT IN STANDING WATER ON ADJACENT PROPERTY LOCATED ADJACENT TO 6 5 5 0 HE ROAD AND HOW IT WOULD BE MITIGATED.
THREE POINT SECTION 3.5 FOCUSES MORE ON ZONING ISSUES THAN COMMUNITY CHARACTER ISSUES.
WE WOULD LIKE MORE DETAIL AS TO WHY ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT VIABLE WITH THE DRIVEWAY, PREFERABLY WITH PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS. 3.62.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE THAT ONE.
UH, THE PERIOD OF ACCIDENT ANALYSIS SHOULD REFLECT THAT THIS, THE PERIOD USED INCLUDES THE TIMEFRAME OF A COVID PANDEMIC.
THE DESCRIPTION OF PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS
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IS INADEQUATE.SECTION 3.6 0.4 DOES NOT EXIST.
THAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON THE EFFECT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ON THE EXISTING SCHOOL BUS STOP CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE PROJECT SITE.
ONE SENTENCE REFERRING TO THIS IS LOCATED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
UH, THE STATEMENT AT 3.6 0.4 SHOULD BE EXPANDED.
POTENTIAL MITIGATION MEASURES.
INFORMATION ON THIS TOPIC IS LOCATED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION 4.5 CLIMATE CHANGE.
PAGE 19, NO DISCUSSION OF SEA LEVEL RISE OR FLOODING.
NO LISTING OF THE VARIOUS DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION SOURCES UTILIZED IN PREPARATION OF THE DEIS.
UH, GENERAL DEFICIENCIES WE IDENTIFIED WERE, UH, A LACK OF CITATIONS IN GENERAL AND VAGUE DESCRIPTIONS ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT FITS INTO RURAL CHARACTER.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SO, SO THAT'S, UH, THE, THE INADEQUATE, UH, INCOMPLETE DEIS RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU'LL GET THE RESPONSE AND WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT.
30 DAYS FROM THE RESUBMISSION.
AND WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THIS FAR AND SEEKER IN A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
THIS BACK AND FORTH DOESN'T GO ON FOREVER.
IT'S AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF WE DEEM THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DEFICIENT.
DOES, DOESN'T THIS BOARD HAVE TO DRAFT ONE OR, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THERE? THERE'S, IT DOESN'T GO ON FOREVER, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NO, THERE'S, SO ONCE WE, ONCE YOU DO YOUR COMMENTS, UM, THEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMISSION A FULL DIS OR YOU CAN ACCEPT OURS.
I I, I, I KNOW THAT THAT, THAT IT DIDN'T GO ON FOREVER.
AND THERE, THERE WAS SOME, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE WOULD TAKE THE REINS.
IT'S NOT LIKE SHARP SEEKER IS ONE OF THE HARDEST, HARDEST THINGS FOR ME TO RECONCILE MY BRAIN, BUT IT'S ALL VERY FULL.
THE FLOW CHART IS LIKE A SPIDER WEB.
YOU HAVE A CHART, WE'VE GONE THROUGH PROCESSES, BUT JUST SITTING HERE, JUST LIKE GO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP.
WELL THAT'S, I MEAN, AND A FEW YEARS AGO WE, WE DID SOME SECRET THINGS AND I, I KIND OF MADE MY OWN FLOW CHART FOR MY OWN REFERENCE, BUT THAT WAS A WHILE AGO AND I HAVEN'T REFERRED TO IT A WHILE.
JUST, I JUST REMEMBER THAT THIS BACK AND FORTH DOESN'T GO ON FOREVER.
NO, I THINK WE, WE GET TWO BITES AT THE APPLE EACH, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE.
AND I THINK EVEN IF THEY'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVISE THE DOCUMENT AND CONTINUE COMMENT ON.
WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTARY THAT WILL BE COMING.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THE REST OF THE BOARD, IF ANYBODY IS HAVING TROUBLE SLEEPING OR INTERESTED, THEY, THE NEW YORK STATE DEC STEPPING THROUGH THE SEEKER PROCESS WEBSITE OR ANYONE ELSE WHO'S GENERALLY INTERESTED DOES LIST OUT EACH OF THE STEPS AND INCLUDING, UM, FOR THE EIS.
BUT IT HAS SCOPE OF DRAFT EIS PREPARATION TO TURN THE ADVOCACY.
IT GOES THROUGH EACH TO THE STEPS IN MORE DETAIL.
SO YEAH, I, I DID A MEMO FOR THE TOM BOARD A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT WAS OKAY WITH WHAT I DID.
I JUST DIDN'T PULL IT OUT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
SO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 45 DAYS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE DOCUMENTS ADEQUATE AND FULL REVIEW AFTER.
OH NO, THAT'S THE, YEAH, SO WE HAVE 30 DAYS AFTER RESUBMIT.
WELL THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEIR RESPONSE.
WE DON'T NEED TO TABLE IT OR RESCHEDULE IT.
UM, BUT WE'LL GET THE RESPONSE.
WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS WITH THE MINUTES.
SO WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING SO I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 17TH P BOARD MEETING.
SECOND MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK.
ALL IN FAVOR? SORRY, THAT WASN'T AT THE MEETING.
WASN'T SO, SO I AND ONE ABSTENTION AND I THINK THE OTHER DATE ON SECOND, THE OTHER MEETING DATE I BELIEVE WAS NOVEMBER 3RD.
AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MEETING PEOPLE WERE AT THAT
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MEETING.I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SO, SO IT'S, IT WAS THE FOUR OF US.
ONLY MEETING WHEN I I UNTIL THE END OF THE APPROVE, THE MINUTES I FORGOT.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE NOVEMBER 3RD MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, DOUG, WE'RE WAITING ON YOU.
YOU READY? I MAY MOTION BE ADJOURN ME MOTION BY MR. SHAW.