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SO WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD WORK SESSION.
WE'VE GOT ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY FOR THE WORK SESSION THAT'S WOODY'S ICE CREAM REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 4 3 8 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AS AN ICE CREAM SHOP.
YOU JUST START? YES, I DID PRESS THE BUTTON.
YOU WANT COPY? DO YOU WANT COPIES OF THESE OVER THERE? YES.
IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, YEAH, THERE'S TWO TO EVERY SET.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER ONE TO PASS OUT TO.
THIS IS THE FORMER USED CAR DEALERSHIP, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WHO ELSE NEEDS A SET? ANYONE? DENNIS HERE.
I'LL STICK BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU GET TOO MANY PAPERS OTHERWISE.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS ONE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS THAT IT WAS THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING.
NO, THIS IS THE, THERE YOU GO.
AND BRING THESE ANOTHER SET FOR ANY REASONS.
IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH WOODY'S ICE CREAM CHECK FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS OF THE, UH, OLD WALMART LOCATION? YEAH.
YOU'RE NEXT TO WHERE THE TRAMPOLINE PLACE IS.
WE'RE THE OWNERS OF BOUNCE MAGIC AS WELL, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY HAS TAKEN A, UH, RUN FOR THE RUN FOR IT MONEY.
BUT IT'S, UH, THEY LOST THE BATTLE BETWEEN, UH, COVID AND NAPA.
IT KICKED US OUTTA THERE, SO WE JUST NEEDED TO FIND A NEW PLACE AND A NEW HOME.
AND, UH, WE WANTED TO KEEP IT CLOSE BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH A GREAT TURNOUT OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS WITH ALL OF THE, UH, CLIENTELE RIGHT IN THE HAMBURG AREA.
AND, UH, WE PETITIONED THEM TO FIND OUT IF THEY WERE STILL INTERESTED.
THEY WERE, WHEN WE PUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND STUFF THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO STAY IN TOWN.
SO, UH, IT BECAME A, WE GOTTA FIND A PLACE.
PETER CASE CAME UP AS A AVAILABLE OPTION WITH OUR REALTOR.
AND, UH, THEN I DID SOME WORK WITH, UH, JIM BAMO, UH, FOR BOUNCE MAGIC AND STUFF.
AND, UH, HAD HIM, YOU KNOW, JUST DO A CONCEPTUAL IDEA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE
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SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE TOWN.SO WE'D ALREADY MADE SOME PRELIMINARY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH, THE REUSE LOCATION, THE IDEAS, AND, UH, WENT FORTH WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, EPA STUDIES AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THE PLACE IS SAFE, ASBESTOS STUFF, AND ALL THE REST OF THAT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY AND, UH, ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS.
IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THE CORNER THERE.
UH, THE DEMOLITION UNDER THE PERMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN UNDERWAY, SO WE'RE, UH, CLEANING UP THE, UH, FASCIA, THE GROUNDS, KEEPING THE GRASS NEAT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
THIS IS THE CONCEPT WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN THERE.
UH, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A VERBAL.
IF YOU LOOK ON WHAT WOULD BE THE SECOND PRINT, JUST SO THOSE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOME IDEA.
I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HAS DEFINITELY ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT DRIVE THROUGH AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY WANNA ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT AT THE MOMENT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PAGE? ON, ON THE DRIVE THROUGH? SURE.
THE ARROWS ARE, OR DO YOU GO IN AND COME OUT? I SEE THE ARROWS GO IN AROUND THE BUILDING, COME AROUND AND THEN COME BACK OUT THE SAME WAY.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY SUPER FORTUNATE.
IT HAS TWO, UM, ENTRANCE EXITS, ONE ON SOUTH PARK AND ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN SOUTHWESTERN.
SO IT OPENS UP EASY AVENUE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TURNING LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO EITHER STREET TO, UH, TO EXIT THE PROPERTY AFTER USING THE DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GO OUT HERE, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
IF THEY'VE, IF THEY'VE COME IN THAT SIDE AND HONESTLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA GO OUT THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT, BUT COMING IN, THEY COME IN THIS SIDE ALSO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, I'M COMING IN THIS WAY, YOU'RE COMING IN THIS WAY.
COULD, WE COULD MEET, YOU CAN MEET AND LINE UP.
IS THERE ANY GONNA BE ANY BACKUP? NO.
IS THERE AN ARROW FROM SOUTH PARK BE LEADING INTO THERE? UH, WE HAVE SOUTH PARK'S CONGESTED NOW BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S THE TURN LANE RIGHT THERE.
A TURN LANE? YEAH, THERE IS A TURN LANE.
WILL IT BE MARKED TURN LANE? UH, ON, ON HIGHWAY? I DON'T, CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT ON PROPERTY THAT I KNOW.
HUH? IT'S ALREADY ON THE ROAD.
I MEAN, WHEN I TURNED OUT OF THERE, THERE IS AN ARROW ALREADY.
YOU'RE ON SOUTH PARK? I'M ON SOUTH PARK BIG.
I'M LOOKING, COMING FROM BAYVIEW TO SOUTHWESTERN.
IS THERE, IS THERE AN ARROW TURNING IN LEFT? YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRAME, IF I MAY.
WHERE I DROPPED THIS LINE HERE, UHHUH.
THERE IS A TURN LANE THAT STARTS RIGHT IN HERE.
SO THERE'S NO TURN LANE HERE OKAY.
SO THERE, SO THIS IS JUST TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AND THEN IT DIVIDES OUT RIGHT HERE TO A THIRD.
SO I'M, I'M COMING IN FROM BAYVIEW.
I WANNA GO INTO THE ICE CREAM AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME THAT ARE GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO SOUTHWESTERN.
WILL THEY BE BACKED UP HERE TO GO INTO THE ICE CREAM? WHICH THERE'S MORE THAN ME.
UH, ONLY IF THE TRAFFIC HERE STOPS 'EM FROM MAKING THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL TURN.
HAVE YOU EVER DONE DIRECT BEFORE? UM, YES AND NO.
YES, WE DID THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I JUST, UH, BASED ON THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT.
I'M WONDERING LIKE THE TRAFFIC, IF YOU'RE, OUR TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WE SAW THERE THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS PRETTY MUCH A PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME FOR US BECAUSE OF THE COVID SEPARATION AND EVERYTHING.
UH, WE MAXED OUT AT FOUR CARS IN THE LINEUP AT ANY ONE TIME.
MOST PEOPLE WANTED TO COME UP AND WALK UP AND WE HAD TO TELL 'EM, HEY, THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S RAINING, WHY DON'T YOU USE IT? SO WE FIND THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO COME PARK, SIT FOR FIVE MINUTES, ENJOY THE ICE CREAM, GET BACK IN THE CAR AND LEAVE.
AND MY WIFE AND I, WHICH THAT'S MY WIFE FOR THERE, BARB.
UM, WE'VE GONE AROUND TO A LOT OF OTHER PLACES AND TALKED TO A LOT OF OTHER, UH, OWNERS AND STUFF, JUST SO THAT WE CAN BUILD OUR KNOWLEDGE BASE ON HOW THEIR DRIVE-THROUGHS HAVE BEEN WORKING SIZES AND STUFF.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S A, IT'S A VERY FAST LINE IN THE VILLAGE IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
YOU'RE IN A SIMILAR TRAFFIC AREA.
THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE NO, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT IF YOU DID IT WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH? WELL, WE COULD TOTALLY DO IT WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS WHAT MAKES US MORE COVID SAFE, MORE WORRY-FREE OF THE BUSINESS NOT GOING UNDER, BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE BUSINESS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE INSIDE AND WHATEVER THE DRIVE-THRU REALLY WELL RECEIVED BY, BY PEOPLE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE TOWN TOWNSHIPS AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS AN EASY WAY TO JUST STAY BACK, GET THEIR FOOD AND PRODUCTS AND THEN LEAVE.
I JUST, I LOOK AT IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE A TON OF QUEUING SPACE LIKE
UH, THE QUEUING SPACE IS AROUND THE BUILDING.
THE ONLY SPOT THAT REALLY SHORTENS IT WOULD BE, UM, OBVIOUSLY COMING OFF OF THE, UH, THE SOUTHWESTERN WHERE THEY WOULD GO AROUND THE BUILDING AND WE
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WOULD, SORRY.SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE A WALKUP ORDER WINDOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
BUT DRIVE THROUGH BECAME THE MAIN THING.
IF YOU LOOK ON, I THINK BECAUSE THAT'S, BECAUSE THAT'S MY CONCERN IS LIKE THERE'S ALL THE ENTRANCE POINTS INTO THE BUILDING FROM THE PARKING SPACES REQUIRE CUTTING ACROSS THE QUEUING LINE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
AS WELL AS IF YOU HAVE FOUR CARS, YOU ARE THEN OBSTRUCTING PEOPLE, BACKING OUTTA SOME OF THESE SPACES.
I KNOW, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE IT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THE QUEUING SPACE WOULD BE LESS IN THE FLOW OF PEDESTRIANS AND PEOPLE IF THE WINDOW WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT I THINK WHAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE MORE FUNCTIONAL AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE IN A LOT OF PLACES IS, IS A WALK-UP WINDOW WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO COME INSIDE.
IT WORKS WELL AT MAIN STREET ICE CREAM.
IT WORKS WELL AT, UM, WHAT'S THE ONE IS AMELL AM CELL ICE CREAM.
SO ON, ON THE SPRINT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN A PATIO ON THE BACK.
THIS SET UP HERE THAT WE'RE SHOWING, SHOWING EVERYBODY IS WHAT FACES THE ROAD TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
BUT THIS IS OUR BACK DOOR, NOT OUR FRONT DOOR.
THIS IS NOT WHERE WE'RE, SO YOU WALK UP TO THE PATIO IN THE BAY, RIGHT? EVERYTHING IS DESIGNED.
THE PEOPLE WILL PARK HERE ACROSS THE ONE PATHWAY, WHICH IS NO DIFFERENT THAN MANY TIM HORTONS, MCDONALD'S AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THIS IS GONNA BE A FENCED IN PATIO FOR PROTECTION OF THE KIDS.
AND SO NOBODY CAN RUN OUT THE WRONG PLACES.
AS WE'VE SEEN OBVIOUSLY THE PLACES, AND THIS WILL BE WHERE WE HAVE A DOUBLE DOOR, WHICH IS MORE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF WALK-INS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE TABLES INSIDE THE BUILDING.
BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR TABLES INSIDE THE BUILDING.
THERE'S GONNA BE AN INSIDE COUNTER TO PROMOTE INSIDE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WALK UP WINDOW ON THIS PATIO TO PROMOTE PEOPLE UTILIZING THAT PATIO AND WALK UP AREA, AREA.
THIS DRIVE THROUGH COMING ACROSS THE FRONT WHILE PEOPLE ARE QUEUEING UP ACROSS THAT FRONT, UM, ENTRANCE WAY OR WHATEVER, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY COMING INTO THE ICE CREAM SHOP.
AS THEY LEARN ABOUT IT, THEY WILL UTILIZE ALL THIS BACK AREA FOR PARKING AND THEN THEREBY WALKING STRAIGHT ACROSS LOW SPEED TRAFFIC.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S NOT PARKING BACK HERE AND PEOPLE PARK UP HERE AND THEY DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE BUILDING AND PEOPLE WANT KIDS COMING, YOU KNOW, WELL, KIDS COMING TO MORNING EVENTS OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT WALK UP IS, OTHER THAN THIS SPOT HERE, IS THROUGH YOUR MAIN PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS TO GET TO THE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK OR EXTERIOR PART TO CONNECT.
ALL THIS PEOPLE ARE CUTTING ACROSS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TURNING OFF IN, OFF SOUTHWESTERN AND GOING AROUND AND THEN HAVING TO CUT ACROSS THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
AND THEN PEOPLE HERE ARE CUTTING ACROSS YOUR QUEUING SPACE AS WELL AS HAVING TO EITHER GO THEN AROUND THIS WAY OR THIS WAY IF THEY DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE BUILDING.
IT'S, I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN ODD LAW.
I REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN.
WE ALSO DID GREEN SPACE FOR IT.
THIS CURRENTLY, THIS WHOLE GREEN SPACE CORNERBACK HERE IS PARKING ACCORDING TO THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED.
IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY HAVE GRASS AT THIS TIME.
IT IS A GRAVEL SPACE, BUT THE ARCHITECT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS TO SHOW SUFFICIENT GRASS AND GREEN SPACE BASED ON THE BUILDING, UH, FOOTPRINT AND THE, UH, THE PARKING LOT.
SO THIS CAN ALL BE PARKING AND ADDITIONAL PARKING BACK HERE JUST AS EASILY AS FAR AS PARKING'S CONCERNED.
DO YOU THINK MAYBE, I DON'T, THIS ISN'T A TRADITIONAL DRIVER.
LIKE THERE'S THEIR OUTDOOR SPEAKER SYSTEM.
IT'S MORE OF A DRIVE UP TO THE WINDOW.
IT'S MORE OF A DRIVE UP TO THE WINDOW.
YOU TAKE YOUR ORDER AT THE WINDOW AND THEN MOVE ON.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR TIM HORTON'S 50 CAR LINE UP BACKING UP THE STREET.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN ICE CREAM SHOP.
THEY BACK ALL THE WAY OUT INTO LAKE.
SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT, WE WISH WE COULD HAVE THAT SORT OF BUSINESS
SO I GUESS IT PROBABLY WON'T AT THE SAME DRAW.
IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE OF THE WALKUP DRAW.
IT'S MOSTLY DESIGNED FOR THE WALKUP DRAW AND THE, UH, IN FACT, DURING THE SUMMERTIME OF LAST YEAR, WE WOULD CLOSE THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WE DID HAVE AT THAT PLACE BECAUSE WALKUP WAS SO BUSY.
THE DRIVE THROUGH IS JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE UTILIZING A, A LARGER PERIOD OF TIME, WE'RE GONNA TO TRY AND GO FROM MARCH TILL DECEMBER, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING MORE.
UM, OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, WE FOUND THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED AN ICE CREAM IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER BUT DIDN'T WANNA GET OUT OF THE CAR TO GO AND GET IT.
WELL CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
CONCERT, I MEAN, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE WITHOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THERE'S A LOT DIFFERENT THINGS YOU COULD DO WITH THE SPACE THAT MIGHT MAKE IT SAFER.
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THE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD, COULD WE LEAVE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW IN BUT CALL IT AN EASY ACCESS WALKUP WINDOW.THAT WAY IF HE EVER DID HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AGAIN, LIKE WE HAD THIS PAST YEAR AND A HALF, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT'S READY TO GO AND YOU COULD USE IT.
BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THE WINTER WALK WINTER OR LOW SEASONS, BUT LIKE FIZZY, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREE NIGHTS MM-HMM
THAT'S GONNA BE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OUR, OUR CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA LEAD BACK OUT ONTO SOUTH PARK AND IT'S GONNA LEAD SOUTH TO SOUTH PARK SOUTH OR SOUTHWESTERN SOUTHWESTERN TOO.
THEY'RE GONNA BE SITTING THERE LIKE SITTING DUCKS IN TRAFFIC CITY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO, THIS IS RIGHT.
THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THE FLOW OF THIS PATRICK, BECAUSE IF YOU COME IN ON SOUTHWESTERN MM-HMM
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CARS THAT YOU, CARS COMING FROM SOUTH PARK RIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THE WAY AROUND VERSUS SOUTH PARK.
AND THE QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND FLOW AND OPTIMIZING.
I WOULD ALMOST, I KNOW THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T WORK 'CAUSE THE GRAVEL'S BACK HERE AND THEN THE FRONT'S PROBABLY PAVED ALREADY IS, IT'D BE ALMOST BETTER TO HAVE THE, THE GREEN SPACE UP HERE AND SHOW SOME PICNIC TABLES OUT FRONT HERE AND THEN HAVE PARKING MORE BACK HERE.
BUT I, EXCEPT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS PUTTING CHILDREN WITH ICE CREAM THAT CLOSE TO THE MAIN ROADS.
WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A PATIO ON THE FRONT OF THE PLACE AND DEALING WITH IT FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW.
AND THEN WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT WITH THAT MUCH TRAFFIC THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
SO WE SAID, WELL WE'VE GOT ALL THIS GREEN SPACE BEHIND THE BUILDING AND WE'VE GOT THAT EASEMENT THERE WITH THE, WITH THE TREE LINE ON IT.
IT MAY BE A NICE SIGN WITH LANDSCAPING AROUND.
AND IT COULD EVEN BE WITH POTS.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S ALLY DEAD.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA EASILY PARK UP THERE.
IT'S NO, IT'S GONNA BE A SIGN WHICH WILL COME BACK WHENEVER THE SIGN COMPANY'S READY TO, TO DEAL WITH THEIR SIGN STUFF.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA THERE, WHETHER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, TURNED INTO BACK INTO GREEN SPACE OR WHATEVER.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A FIRE HYDRANT.
JUST LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY TO RECONFIGURE IT WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THAT WOULD BE SAFER AND PROBABLY HAVE LESS PAVING.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT, WELL PAVING'S ALREADY THERE, ISN'T IT? WELL THERE'S SOME OF IT.
THERE'S NEW PAVING IN THE GRAVEL AREA.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T, I'M, 'CAUSE I'M NOT THE ENGINEER THAT'S DOING IT, I JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SHAPE AND MM-HMM
I'M THINKING THERE'S A WAY TO, WELL, AND REMEMBER THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, THIS IS A DUMPSTER, A TRADITIONAL DRIVE THROUGH.
A WHAT? THIS IS A DUMPSTER DUMPSTER STAGE STATION.
THAT'S JUST SORT OF WHERE THEY PUT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND, AND MAYBE AS, AS MEGAN WAS SAYING, UH, A WINDOW ON THE SIDE THAT'S MORE OF A WALKUP WINDOW THAT COULD BE USED AS A DRIVE UP MM-HMM
IN THE WINTERTIME WHEN THERE'S LESS PARKING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE RECONFIGURED FOR THE DIFFERENT SEASON.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TRYING TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
SO IT'S MORE OF A SEPTEMBER THROUGH DECEMBER TYPE THING WAS REALLY THE ONLY REASONING ON IT.
AND TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING THE TRADITIONAL DRIVE THROUGH LIKE A MCDONALD'S WITH AND EVERYTHING.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO, SO HAVE THE PARKING SET UP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE THERE IN JULY.
MIGHT NOT MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT OPERATIONALLY IN A COUPLE YEARS WE MAY GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING, WE CAN'T DICTATE LIKE OPERATING HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IF HOW WE WOULD CONDITION AN AUTHORIZATION THAT ONLY LETS THE DRIVE THROUGH LOOSE SOMETIMES.
SO, AND ONCE THE DRIVE THROUGH IS ALREADY THERE AND THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVE THROUGH, IF SOME OTHER ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS FOOD COMES IN THERE, THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY NEED STUFF FROM US.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'D BE A WALKUP WINDOW THAT MAYBE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT THEY NEED TO USE IT AS A DRIVE UP WINDOW.
THEY COULD, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GONNA STRIPE IT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH.
IT WOULD BE A WALK UP WINDOW LIKE AT MAIN STREET HAS, BUT WHEN THE WORLD SHUT DOWN, THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE.
YOU COULD PARK YOUR CAR THERE AND GRAB IT AND GO, WELL YES.
WELL YOU STILL GOT OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE AND WENT UP TO A WALK UP WINDOW AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE DRIVING THEIR VEHICLE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
I DON THINK HE WOULD BE PROBABLY OPPOSED TO, I THINK IT'S JUST, LEMME JUST WALK UP YEAH.
BECAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO HAVE THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, SEE, THE PROBLEM I'M LOOKING AT IS IF I'M PULLING IN FROM SOUTHWESTERN AND YOU'RE AT THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW AND YOU'RE GONNA PULL OUT THE EXIT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO AROUND YOU AND I NOTICE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE FOR ME TO GET AROUND YOU AND YOU TO GET OUT THE SAME TIME.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD YEAH, IT'S A BAD LAYOUT THERE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PAVING THERE TO, TO RECONFIGURE THE LAYOUT.
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WITH THE PARKING RIGHT THERE.YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S A WALK UP WINDOW.
THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE COMING IN OFF SOUTHWESTERN COMING IN AND IF PEOPLE ARE BACK UP WITH A LINE LIKE MAIN STREET OR CHARLA, IF PEOPLE ARE BOUNCING, STANDING OUT THERE OUT INTO THE FULL, YOU'RE GONNA BE EVEN, YOU'RE GONNA THE SAME SITUATION.
MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THAT SPOT.
WELL THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF BECOME VERY WINDY.
SO IF YOU PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE WE HAD BEFORE, YOU END UP JUST BLASTING WIND THROUGH EVERYTHING AND WHIPPED CREAM GOES FLYING.
WELL, SO THE WALK UP WINDOW ON THIS SIDE.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A SECOND WALKUP WINDOW.
WELL THAT WAS JUST HER IDEA TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE THE SITUATION.
UM, I, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY DRAW IT OUT TO HAVE, HAVE IT AS A DRIVE THROUGH IF THE WINDOW IS THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN A, A UH, ATTACK THAT UNDER THE, THE GUISE OF WE WOULD ONLY USE IT DURING, YOU KNOW, THE SEPTEMBER ON TIMES WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY PROMOTING IT, OR RAINY DAYS.
KNOW HERE'S ANOTHER THING WITH THIS SIGN I CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO POPEYE'S, THEY, THEY DID SOMETHING KIND OF SIMILAR WHERE PEOPLE HAD TO WALK KIND OF THROUGH WHERE YOU WERE LINING UP.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN MCKINLEY? YEAH.
SO WHAT WE MADE THEM DO IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE SIGNS THERE AND SPEED HUMPS MM-HMM
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE IN YOUR PARKING LOT TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WELL THERE'S DEFINITELY, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE SPACE THAN IT LOOKS LIKE HERE WITH THIS CONFIGURATION.
THESE WALKWAYS PROBABLY AREN'T SAFE.
PROBABLY CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN ANY SORT OF SPEED BUMPS TO TRY AND SLOW DOWN AS THEY COME INTO THE, TO THAT AREA ANYWAYS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD SAY THAT CONCEPTUALLY WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH HOW YOU COULD LAY OUT AN ICE CREAM SHOP HERE.
THE ISSUE IS THE FLOW OF PARKING LOT IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND I, I THINK WE'RE ON BOARD WITH REUSING AN UGLY AUTO SALES PLACE AS AN NICE ICE CREAM SHOP TOO.
I WOULDN'T WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S JUST HOW THE PARKING LOT WORKS.
WHAT IF WE MADE LIKE THE ENTRANCE HERE? WELL, WELL IF YOU REDESIGN THE BUILDING THAT REALLY KIND OF THROWS SO MANY THINGS.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR BACK PATIO AREA.
WE JUST GO BACK TO THE PROFESSIONALS.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THE, I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO THINK WE SHOULD REFER THIS TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR.
THEY'VE HAD IT FOR TWO WEEKS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA COMMENT OR NOT.
WELL THEY ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH THOUGH, RIGHT? SO, HUH? THEY ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.
AND THEY DON'T TYPICALLY DON'T RESPOND UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF CONCERN.
THEY'VE BEEN, I MEAN THEY'VE BEEN DOING, PAUL'S BEEN COMING TO THE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT SOMETHING THE THE PAST, UH, THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
THEY, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN A BIT MORE INVOLVED.
SO YOU MAY NOT I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM.
JUST TELL PRESIDENT JUST REQUEST YEAH.
I THINK I THE SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UH, LIKE THE BULLET POINT REASONS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO TAKE BACK? RIGHT.
SO THE, THE BULLET POINT REASON, WE, WE THINK THE, THE LAYOUT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH CAUSES PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH TRAFFIC, WHICH WE DON'T THINK IS SAFE.
IS THERE A WAY TO, TO REDO IT? PROBABLY WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD HAVE THE CARS COMING IN AND THE PEOPLE WALKING FROM THEIR CARS TO THE BUILDING, NOT MEETING WELL, WELL, AND ALSO THAT SOUTHWESTERN TRAFFIC ON THE STACKING, THAT'S WHY JIM DID IT THIS WAY.
WELL THE THERE'S NO DRIVE THROUGH THEN STACK.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO DRIVE OH, YOU MEAN ON, ON SOUTH PARK.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE STACKING HERE.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN IF WE HAD 12 CARS IN THIS PARKING LOT LINED UP, GOING AROUND THE BUILDING THE WAY THE DESIGN IS.
NOW, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY TRAFFIC SAFETY IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE I, I I NEED TO KNOW YOU'RE SAYING 12 CARS IS GONNA BE 20 MORE.
NOW OUR HISTORY FOR THE LAST YEAR PLUS AND TALK AND OTHER BUSINESSES IS THAT ICE CREAM SHOPS GENERALLY DON'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE.
WE HAVE A MEETING GOING ON UP HERE.
I, WELL, APPARENTLY YOU DON'T.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT.
WE CAN'T, THE RECORDING DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY OVER THE FACEBOOK IF PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING SPANISH.
THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT MM-HMM
IS YOU'RE SAYING 12 CARS ARE STACKING AND I ASKED ABOUT TURNING ARROW OR TURNING LANE TO COME IN THERE.
IF I'M COMING OUT AND I'M GOING LEFT, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THE PROBLEM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE STACKING, IT'S BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO SOUTHWESTERN UNLESS THEY GO AROUND YOU IN THE RIGHT LANE.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NOT THE SAME SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE NOW WITH THE CAR SALES.
NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT I THINK THERE'S A TIRE VOLUME TRAFFIC.
THEY DON'T GO IN AND DRIVE AROUND.
THEY GO IN, THEY LOOK FOR A CAR, THEY PARK, THEY SIT
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AND THEY, THEY STAY THERE.BUT HIS, THIS SITUATION, EVEN IF WE DO AWAY WITH THE WINDOW, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND COMING OUT AND COMING OUT.
SO LIKE, LET'S SEE, LIKE THE TIM HORTON'S IN THE VILLAGE, YOU SEE HOW YOU CAN ONLY GO IN ONE WAY AND YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEN COME OUT THE SIDE STREET.
YOU CAN'T GO BACK OUT ON SOUTH PARK.
HERE, HERE I CAN COME IN SOUTHWESTERN, GET MY ICE CREAM AND GO OUT SOUTH PARK IF I CHOOSE.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN PUT ENTRANCE ONLY ON THE ONE SIDE IF THAT.
WELL, I, I'M JUST, THAT'S WHY THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DELAY ANYTHING.
I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN COME TO SOMEWHERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE, OUR WHOLE TIME HAS BEEN FOUR CARS MAXIMUM PACKED UP.
BECAUSE OF THE SPEED IN WHICH YOU CAN GET FOUR ICE CREAMS OR FOUR SUNDAES OUT THE WINDOW.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OKAY.
OF, UH, HEAVY FOOD AND YOU'VE GOT NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE GREEK RESTAURANT, YOU'VE GOT I LEOS DOWN THE STREET.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO SURVIVE IN THAT.
WELL I'M ALSO A CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING IN OFF.
SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN OFF SOUTH PARK ENTERING THE QUEUE.
PEOPLE WHO COME IN OFF SOUTHWESTERN HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO COME, WHICH IS SIMILAR TWO WORDS IN THE VILLAGE.
UNLESS THEY'RE THE FIRST OR SECOND CUP.
UNLESS THEY'RE, WELL, WELL FIRST, BUT, SO, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO GET AROUND AND PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE FIGHTING'S.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, IS PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S, IF PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO TURN OUT ON THE SOUTHWEST AND SOMEBODY'S COMING IN, LIKE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISOR, THERE'S LIKE A FLOW.
LET'S SEE WHAT THEY SAY AND, AND LET'S SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE WE LOOK AT IT, THE MORE WE CAN COME UP WITH WAYS THAT CARS WILL BUMP INTO PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I ALSO THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLOSEST OFF, YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE HIGHER TRAFFIC HERE THAN YOU, THAN THE OTHER TUCK AWAY OR THE OTHER PLACE.
AND I, I HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE YOU DO, BUT THAT ALSO APPRECIATE MAKES PARKING.
WELL YOU KNOW, AND THE THING IS TOO, IS WE HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE O UH, THE UH, THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE DRIVERS AND, AND PARENTS WALKING THEIR KIDS TO AND FROM ANY FACILITY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC.
I MEAN IF YOU GO TO EVERY WALMART AND KMARTS AND ANY OF THOSE PLACES, YOU ARE CONSTANTLY WALKING THROUGH FULL TRAFFIC LANES, TWO DIRECTIONS, BOTH WAYS.
YOU GO TO HOME DEPOT, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WITH CARTS MOVING STUFF BACK AND FORTH.
PEOPLE ARE USED TO CROSSING TRAFFIC WITH PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE USED TO BACKING OUT AS PARKING SPACES WHERE TRAFFIC IS FLOWING PAST 'EM QUICKLY.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT AMTA ICE CREAM AND TWO SCOOPS, IT'S NOT SET UP THAT WAY.
YOU DON'T REALLY CROSS AS MUCH TRAFFIC TO GET TO THE WINDOW AS YOU'VE GOT SET UP HERE.
OH, IS IT THE SAME AS DREW? YOU LOOK AT CHARLA, WE GOT TWO ENTRANCES, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT I'M JUST, I DON'T WANNA BE A LOG JAM WHERE IT'S, WE'RE GONNA MEET.
IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE STACKING ON SOUTHWESTERN STAY, THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.
IS AN OPTION TO LOOK AT USING ONLY ONE OF THESE DRIVEWAYS.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TONS OF ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER.
I MEAN THAT'S AS TO ONE OR NOT, YOU ONLY WANNA USE ONE CURB CUT.
LET'S, HOW DOES TRAFFIC PEOPLE LOOK AT IT? I THINK WE, I THINK HE, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE, I WOULD BE OR CONCERNED ABOUT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'D BE CONCERNED THAT IF YOU DID TAKE OUT, LET'S SAY THE, UH, SOUTHWESTERN SIDE BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHER SPEED TRAFFIC SIDE, THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS SOMEBODY COMING AROUND THE CORNER IS NOW STOPPING, YOU KNOW, SIX CARS DOWN AROUND THE CORNER TO TRY AND TURN IN OR, OR SOMEONE'S TURNING OUT ALONG SOUTH PARK, SOUTH PARKWAY, ALONG THE SOUTH PARKWAY BECAUSE THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE TELL US IF THAT'S OR WORSE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE CONCERNS YOU'VE HEARD BACK TO JIM AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN.
HE MAY HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON FLOW.
THIS WAS HIS SUGGESTION TO START WITH
WHAT'S THAT? SO THIS WAS HIS TO START WITH.
UM, SO BASICALLY CAN WE SAY THAT, UH, THE PROJECT IS FINE EXCEPT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS HANGING IN THE BALANCE? THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS THE ISSUE.
UM, I MEAN WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING YET, SO, SO YOU'RE STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST THE WORK SESSION, BUT OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S UP SURFACE.
TONY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU ANTICIPATE? 13.
I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM MORE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT HE LAID OUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS WORKING WITH THE, UH, GREEN SPACE, UH, ASPECT AND, AND OR OPPOSITE FRONT SIGNAGE HERE.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PARKING ALONG THE, UH, THE SOUTHWEST OR SOUTH PARK LINE THAT'S NOT SHOWING ON HERE.
SO WILL WE BE HANDICAP IN HANDICAP? YES, DEFINITELY WILL BE HANDICAP DRAWING NEXT TO YOU OVER THERE.
INSIDE PARKING SPACES ALL MAPPED OUT ON THAT.
WHAT'S THE CAPACITY YOU'RE ANTICIPATING INSIDE THE BUILDING? INSIDE THE BUILDING? PROBABLY ABOUT 12 TO 15.
TABLE THREE TABLES INSIDE THREE TABLES.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES DO YOU ANTICIPATE USING BE? UH, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THREE, MAYBE FOUR.
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PROBABLY BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NON-PAR OR UP FRONT BLOCKING OUT THE FRONT AREA MAINLY.'CAUSE THEY WOULD MAKE THE PLACE LOOK LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEN STOP PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE.
'CAUSE WE WANT THEM TO USE THE BACK.
WE WANT THEM TO COME IN THROUGH THE PATIO AREA.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ICE CREAM SHOP IS, IT'S LIKE TURN THE BUILDING AROUND.
SO IF YOU NEED THREE EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES, PLUS YOU HAVE ONE HANDICAP SPOT, I WOULD BE CON IF THERE'S WAYS TO MAP OUT WHERE OTHER POTENTIAL PARKING IS ON HERE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I, I'M WORRIED DID YOU SAY IT WAS ALREADY ON ONE OF THOSE THAT THERE WAS EXTRA? NO, NO, NO.
IF THERE'S OTHER SPACES THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING PEOPLE PARKING, THERE'S A WAY TO MAP OUT OTHER PLACES MIGHT PERCEIVE PARKING WELL, LIKE WHERE THEY PLANNED TO PUT THE GREEN SPACE.
MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE SPACES ALONG THE EDGE, BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA OPTIMIZE IF YOU CAN SOME MORE PARKING IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING UP FOR FREE EMPLOYEE SPACES.
JUST WITH PEOPLE START, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE AN IN DEMAND SERVICE.
NOT THAT YOU NEED 50 PARKING SPACES, BUT YOU COULD ALSO SAY THAT IF SOMEBODY DRIVES BY AND SEES THAT THERE'S NO PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE, IF THEY'RE NOT KEEP ON DRIVING OF COURSE.
AND WE COULD COUNT HOW MANY SIMILAR SIZED ICE CREAM PLACES, PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME.
CAN WE NOTE TO THE SAFETY, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD, THE CONCERN THAT BOB HAD ON SOUTH PARK, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEFT TURN LANE MM-HMM.
IS GONNA BE UTILIZED TO TURN INTO THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING OFF OF BAYVIEW.
YOU KNOW, THEY FLY THROUGH THERE TO GET OVER THERE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE.
THAT TURN LANE STARTS AFTER THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THOUGH.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, IN, IN REALITY, PEOPLE AS SOON AS THEY TURN OFF THE BAYVIEW, THEY'RE THERE.
THAT THEY'RE NOT WAITING TO GET TO THAT LITTLE CUT IN.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL SEE 'EM WHEN WE DRIVE.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC BACKED UP.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT FOR TODAY BECAUSE THIS, I, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEN.
IF WE'RE COMING UP WITH OTHER STUFF, YOU'LL KNOW WHEN WE GET TO THE REGULAR DID THEY DO MUCH MECHANICAL IN, IN, UH, WORK SIDE CAR? DID THEY DO, DID THEY DO WHAT? ANY MECHANICAL WORK? ARE YOU AWARE OF OIL? UM, DID THEY, DO THEY UH, THEY DONE OIL OR ANYTHING? THEY HAD DONE STUFF LIKE THAT WHILE THERE WAS AN EPA STUDY DONE.
AND ALSO WE ARE REMOVING ALL OF THE CONCRETE SLAB INSIDE THAT'S CONTAMINATED AND THE DEMOLITION CREW IS TAKING THAT OUT.
SO AS THAT, UH, WE PUT IN FRESH NEW MATERIALS INSIDE AND EVERYTHING.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WOODY'S ICE CREAM TO JANUARY 5TH.
WILL I GET AN EMAIL ON, ON THAT? UH, YEAH.
SARAH WILL PROBABLY SHALL BE AN EMAIL RELEVANT TO THAT.
JUST SO WHEN THE NEXT MEETING OR THE NEXT IT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO IT IS AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK SO WE CAN GET INTO THE REGULAR MEETING.
I WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 15TH MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND DUE TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO SOLAR, REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WEST OF 6 2 8 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO DID WE CHANGE THE NOTICE TO A, OKAY, SO WE GOT A, A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF, SO YOU GUYS CAN PLUG DIRECTLY INTO THIS TG WITH AN HGMI THAT MIGHT BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE HERE.
IS THIS THE SAME PRESENTATION AS LAST TIME OR IS IT A DIFFERENT ONE? THANK YOU.
IS THIS ONE SHORTER THAN THE LAST ONE? ABSOLUTELY.
ALL A COUPLE THINGS WE WANNA SHOW YOU.
IT WAS LASTLY WAS INFORMATIVE IT
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PAST TWO WEEKS.WE GOT SOME BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT ANY IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
I THINK IT, OH, SO YOU POSTED ON FACEBOOK, YOU GO THERE'S OF COMMUNICATION.
I GUESS I SHOULD DO THAT MORE OFTEN.
THANKS FOR, UH, INVITING US BACK.
UM, JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, LAST WEEK RESPONSES TO PLANNING BOARD QUESTIONS AND UM, THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT AT THE LAST MEETING DURING THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETING.
AND WE HAVE CONTACTED THE, UH, NEIGHBORS AS WELL TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
SO, UM, WE'VE ALSO REVISED THE RENDERINGS.
RICHIE, WE'VE ALSO REVISED THE RENDERINGS TO SHOW, UH, AS REQUESTED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE SUMMER AND THE WINTER.
UM, AND THAT WAS I THINK, THE MAIN FOCUS OF WHAT WE WANTED TO COVER TONIGHT.
WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF CARBON OFFSET.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED BACK BY NOW THE FAA NEGATIVE DECLARATION LETTER.
SO, UM, REALISTICALLY WE JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW YOU THESE PICTURES SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN SEE THE SYSTEM DURING THE WINTER RIGHT NOW WITH THE TREES, YOU KNOW, WITH NO LEAVES ON 'EM.
AND THEN WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE SUMMER AS WELL FROM THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE SHOWED YOU BEFORE.
WE'VE ALSO HANDED, UM, COPIES OF THESE TWO, UH, TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THEIR PROPERTIES.
YOU, YOU ALL GUYS ALL GOT THIS IN AN EMAIL, BUT I ALSO HAVE HARD COPIES.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE,
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE DEER WOULD BE ABLE TO JUMP OVER THE FENCE STANDING STILL UNTIL I READ YOUR RESPONSES.
PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY NIMBLE THERE.
SO, UM, I HAD ALSO RECEIVED SOME PRELIMINARY INPUT.
UM, MARK ATE CHAIR THE CAB, I TALKED TO HIM.
UM, AND KIM, HE SAID HE WAS COORDINATING WITH YOU, BUT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOW WET THE SITE IS AND THE SHALLOW, SHALLOW, I GUESS BEDROCK.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER, BUT SHALLOW DEATH TO SHALE ON THE SITE AND THE ISSUES WITH WATER ABSORPTION AND JUST THAT THE SITE WAS VERY WET AND HE SEEMED TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DELINEATION.
BUT I'M GONNA FOLLOW BACK UP WITH HIM FOR THEIR SPECIFIC INPUT.
THEIR DECEMBER MEETING, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE IS NOT UNTIL NEXT WEEK OR BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE MONTH LANDS.
SO THEIR NEXT MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, THURSDAY.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE AND WHEN, WHAT TIME? UH, SEVEN O'CLOCK I BELIEVE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
IN THE BACK, IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, RICH, ARE YOU THE ONE WHO SAID YOU HAD, YOU WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING AHOLD OF HIM? YEAH.
UM, DO YOU A BUSINESS CARD? WHAT'S THAT? DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS CARD? I'LL SHOW YOU INFORMATION.
WELL, I EMAILED, I EMAILED THIS GENTLEMAN BACK AND CCD MARK.
SO HOPEFULLY MARK KNOWS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, BUT YEAH, I CAN, I'LL GET YOU
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MY INFORMATION AND I'LL I'LL SEND IT TO MARK.WHAT THOSE ITEMS TO ME? HE OH.
AND ASKED ME ABOUT THE, UH, STREAM THAT IS OKAY.
HE HASN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT BEDROCK OR THE PSYCH BEING WHAT, I ONLY TALKED TO HIM VERY BRIEFLY.
HE ALSO MENTIONED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE STREAM FOR YOU.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE BROUGHT THE OTHER STUFF OR NOT, BUT THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL AS JUST THE OVERALL SOME OF THE, THE CLEARING AND THEN REPLACEMENT, SO, RIGHT.
SO IN REGARDS TO THE STREAM THAT'S NEARBY, IT WOULD BE FEDERAL AND THEY DON'T INVOLVE ANY PERMITTING UNLESS YOU'RE IMPACTING THE ACTUAL STREAM.
UM, WHAT THEY CALL THE ORDINARY HIGH WATER LEVEL.
SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE WORKING IN THE STREAM ITSELF.
THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE THE STATE DOES.
BUT THEY'RE WETLANDS AND HE, UH, OUR JOHN WILSON, UH, WILSON ENVIRONMENTAL WENT THROUGH AND FLAGGED THAT WHOLE STREAM AREA.
UM, SO WE KNOW WHAT AREAS WE HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM.
AND HE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY WETLAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, WHAT ELSE ON HERE THAT YOU WANT TO SHOW US? UM, THIS IS THE CARBON OFFSET SHEET AND I BELIEVE JEREMY CAN KIND OF
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT, UH, CUTTING DOWN SO MANY TREES.
SO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE EPAS, UH, CARBON EQUIVALENCY CALCULATOR IS THE DATA IT COMES UP WITH, UM, WHEN YOU KIND OF PUT IN THE KILOWATT HOURS PER YEAR THAT THE SOLAR ARRAY WILL GENERATE FROM, UH, CLEAN ENERGY MADE FROM THE SUN RATHER THAN SAY COAL POWERED ENERGY OR SOME OF THE DIRTY ENERGY SOURCES.
MOST GRID POWER COMES FROM, UH, IT'S A TOTAL CARBON OFFSET OF 676.7 METRIC TONS OF, UH, PER YEAR.
AND THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT ALSO THROUGH THEIR CALCULATIONS OF ABOUT 800 ACRES OF NEW FORESTS PLANTED PER YEAR.
SO WE'RE CUTTING DOWN AN ACRE AND A HALF OF TREES, BUT THE CARBON OFFSET OF THE ENERGY, THE GREEN ENERGY THAT'S BEING GENERATED IS OFFSETTING ABOUT 800 ACRES OF TREES PER YEAR FOR 25 YEARS OF, OF, OF RUNTIME.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
I BELIEVE IN THE MATERIALS THAT WE PRESENTED YOU WITH, WE GAVE YOU THE ACTUAL EPA WEBSITE RESULTS AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT, YOU CAN DO THE CALCULATIONS, UH, AS WELL.
AND, AND YOU'RE LEAVING THE STUMPS, SORRY, THE STUMPS.
ARE YOU LEAVING THEM IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE ONLY CLEARING TREES AND NOT PUTTING THE SYSTEM? YES, WE ARE LEAVING THE STUMPS IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER? HOW MANY WHITE LEAD, A NUMBER OF HOW MANY STUMPS? UH, I'M JUST, I READ IT.
I I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THE NUMBER OUT THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IS PROBABLY IN THE ARENA OF LIKE A HUNDRED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU READ? I, I DIDN'T READ THAT.
I REMEMBER JEREMY JUST PROPORTIONALLY, YOU KNOW, WE COVERED THE WHOLE SITE.
THERE WERE ABOUT 350 TREES WE COULD PULL OUT.
AND THAT AREA IS PROBABLY ABOUT A HUNDRED OF THEM OUT THERE WHERE WE'D BE LEAVING THE STOPS AND, AND YEAH.
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, I THINK WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING WITH THE LANDOWNER NEXT DOOR AND SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT, SOME OF IT'S LIVING, BUT SO A BUNCH OF IT'S ASH, RIGHT? SO I WAS OUT THERE.
I I WAS, I WOULD LOOK AT THE SITE.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING WAS POTENTIALLY THE REPLANTING TO BE DONE LOCALLY.
HAVE YOU MADE ANY PROGRESS TALKING TO BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS OR PARTS? I SPOKE WITH THAT RYAN, UM, AND HE SAID HE'S GONNA LOOK FOR SOME SPOTS IN SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN PLANT TREES.
UH, HE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLANTING OF THE TREES.
'CAUSE LAST TIME SOMEONE I GUESS JUST DROPPED OFF TREES AND THEY HAD TO PLANT AND RIGHT.
SO, SO WE'LL WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE GET THAT IN ANY RESOLUTION.
I ASSURE THEM THAT WE WANNA PUT THAT IN WORKS GUARANTEE OR WARRANTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE OFF.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
UM, I JUST ASKED HIM WHAT TYPE OF TREE HE WANTED AND WHERE HE WANTED IT PLACED OR WHERE HE THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT.
WE'LL, UH, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD WANT THE SAME SURVIVAL THAT WE REQUIRE FOR LIKE, OTHER FIRMS AND THINGS.
SO LIKE, IT'S LIKE TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO PROVIDED I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL IN YOUR NEW PACKET, ABOUT 21 CONIFER TREES THAT WE'D BE PLANTING AROUND THE PROJECT SITE.
RICHIE, CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK? THERE WE GO.
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OF SEE THOSE AROUND THIS AREA.SO WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME SHIELDING WITH CONIFER TREES, UM, ALONG THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE ARRAY NEAR THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN ALSO ALONG THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE ARRAY TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN AND A COUPLE OF TREES UP ON TOP OF THE, UM, UP ON TOP OF THE TURNAROUND AREA FOR, FOR, UH, AND, AND PARKING AREA FOR THE SITE, UH, TO TRY TO SHIELD THE SITE AT ALL SEASONS FROM VIEW FROM THE ROAD.
SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE THEY WERE LIKE SIX, SIX TO SEVEN FOOT ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE UP AT THE TOP THAT WON'T SHAVE THE PANELS, UH, WE'LL GET MUCH TALLER IN IS IN THE SOLAR.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE, THE SOLAR WITH THE MOST, HOW IS IT JUNE, JULY? IS THAT THE, THE MOST, THE SUNS THE, UH, SO YEAH.
IT, LONG AND SHORT OF IT, IT'LL GET THE MOST GENERATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER PROBABLY, UH, MAY THROUGH MAY THROUGH AUGUST IS TYPICALLY THE BEST PERIOD FOR SOLAR GENERATION.
THEY'RE THE MOST EFFICIENT ACTUALLY IN THE WINTER, BUT THERE'S A LOT LESS SUN IN THE WINTER.
SO SOLAR PANELS DO CREATE MORE, UH, BETTER, MORE HIGHER EFFICIENCY ELECTRICITY WHEN IT'S COLDER, BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT LESS SUN HOURS IN THE DAY AT THAT TIME OF YEAR.
SO OUR, IT'S TYPICALLY, I THINK LIKE MARCH IS WHEN THEY START TO LOOK AROUND HERE, BUT THERE'S ANY LIKE, NOTABLE GENERATION AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH TO WHENEVER MM-HMM
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK YOU ASKED FOR THAT YOU DIDN'T GET? YOU HAVE DON WILSON'S FULL REPORT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
DID THE COMMENT PERIOD, CONSOLIDATED REVIEW, DID WE GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THAT YET? WHEN DOES THAT 30 DAYS IN, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS, I DUNNO THAT WE ENDED THAT 30 DAY HEARING YET.
I SENT IT ON THE 16TH OF NOVEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IT WASN'T ENDED IN THE LAST MEETING BY THIS ONE COUNTY OR? NO, IT'LL END TOMORROW.
SO I WOULD SAY WE WANNA SEE WHAT WE GOT.
I DID A COMMENT FROM THE COUNTY.
THEY HAD NO, NO CONCERNS, NO RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING, DARK, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT? THERE'S NO LIGHTING.
WE'RE PROVIDING NO LIGHTING FOR THE SITE.
I THOUGHT WE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE, THE SECURITY CAMERAS ARE ACTUALLY INFRARED.
THEY, THEY DON'T REQUIRE LIGHT TO SEE IN THE DARK.
WE TALKED ABOUT DARK SKY WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS LAST TIME.
I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS STILL OPEN.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE SOLO PROJECT? ALL RIGHT.
UH, UH, SIR, I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION.
YOU, YOU SPOKE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? PARDON? YOU SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH, I, I GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION.
CAN YOU COME UP ON YOUR PHONE AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? OKAY.
PAUL RUNNER 62 89 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE INFORMATION I WANNA BRING TO, TO ALL IS, WHICH I, I HAD FORGOTTEN THE NEW YORK STATE THREE AUTHORITY ALONG THE RED LINE THAT YOU HAVE.
THEY WERE TO, UH, UH, DIG IT OUT.
THEY ACTUALLY STOLE THE, A PARCEL OF MY PROPERTY TO DO THAT.
GOTTA BE THEM THROUGH, YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, I, I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO, UH, TO THE, OKAY.
SO THE NEW YORK STATE DOT THROUGH A AUTHORITY, THE THROUGH A YEAH.
SO THE THROUGH AUTHORITY, THEY TOOK AN EASEMENT FOR A DITCH.
AND THE EASEMENT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY OR DOES IT EXTEND TO OFFICE? IT'S ON MINE.
IT'S, IT'S EXTENDED OVER TO THE NEIGHBORS AND I THINK IT WAS AROUND ON THE ONE SIDE OF YOURS TOO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE SOLAR PROJECT? OKAY, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE SOLAR PROJECT? AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY COMMENTS, UH, VIA EMAIL IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS OR LETTERS OR PHONE CALLS? THERE WAS NOTHING ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DID UPDATE HOW WE WERE NOTICING THIS.
SO WE DID, IT'S WEST OF 62 89.
SO THE NEW NOTICE WENT IN FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
IT HAD THE BETTER DESCRIPTION.
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AND ALL OF THE FORMS GOT UPDATED WITH THE APPROPRIATE ADDRESS.I MEAN, I THINK FOR THE FILE, WE WANT THE FORMS CORRECTED SO THAT LIKE THE FEAF AND THINGS THAT SHOWED THE PARCEL ADDRESS THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT SAY THE ADDRESS THAT WAS NOT CORRECT, IT SHOULD SAY WEST.
I MEAN, AND THEN THE LETTER THAT YOU SENT OUT FOR THE CONSOLIDATED REVIEW, IT HAS THE SB THE LETTER THAT YOU SENT HAS THE SBL ON IT, RIGHT? NOT THE ADDRESS? YES.
PROBABLY DID 'CAUSE IT VACANT LAND, SO, YEAH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTICED THAT, THAT ONE OUT CORRECTLY WITH THE CORRECT PARCEL INFORMATION.
WELL WE, THEY, WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM WHERE IT'S GONNA BE TOO.
I SENT THEM THE WHOLE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU GAVE ME THAT SENT OUT.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE, WELL WE HAVE, WE THINK THAT ARE OUTSTANDING THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARDS.
SO WE, WE, FOR THEIR COMMENTS, UM, PERIOD
SO, UM, BUT, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT.
WE JUST HAVE TO TABLE IT TILL JANUARY 5TH.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT COMES IN BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 5TH, WE'LL DEPEND ON WHAT WE DO AFTER THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BUFFALO SOLAR TO JANUARY 5TH.
SO JANUARY 5TH WILL BE THE NEXT HEARING AND WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE BEING APPROVED OR NOT.
WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THE, SO, SO WHEN WE NOTIFY THE INTERESTED AGENCIES, THEY'VE GOT 30 DAYS TO RESPOND.
THAT 30 DAYS EXPIRES TOMORROW.
SO WE'LL KNOW IF ANYBODY RESPONDED BY TOMORROW.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD COMMENTS.
AND BASED ON THAT, WE'LL WE'LL GO FORWARD.
UM, SO YOU, YOU DEFINITELY WOULDN'T KNOW IF WE'RE APPROVED ON JANUARY 5TH.
MAYBE THE MEETING AFTER THAT WILL DEPENDS ON WHAT COMES IN.
DO YOU WANT, IF I GET COMMENTS FROM THE TAB, DO YOU WANT ME, IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THEM, SHOULD I SHARE IT WITH THEM BEFORE THE FIFTH? SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING STAFF LOOKING FOR, THEY CAN WORK ON IT OR NOT? YES.
IT'S A, THE MEETING ON THE 10TH IS, OR THE, THE, THE, NO, THE, UH, CONSERVATION ADVISOR BOARD.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTEND THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE NEED TO GET YOU ON THE AGENDA THOUGH, WHICH IS WHY YOU NEED ACTUALLY, UM, LET ME CORRECT THAT.
WHAT HE SAID WAS NO MEETING THURSDAY THIS WEEK.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT THE THIRD, IT'S, THEN IT'S THE WEEK, THE THURSDAY AFTER CHRISTMAS BECAUSE OF THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.
I'LL TRY AND CONFIRM WITH MARK AND LET SARAH KNOW.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THE LAST THURSDAY, THE MONTH WOULD BE THE 30TH 'CAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY IN THERE.
SO, UM, BUT I'LL, WOULDN'T WOULDN'T A 30 DAY, UH, PERIOD THAT STARTED ON THE 16TH OF NOVEMBER.
BE UP ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE 16 YESTERDAY.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I, WHAT I, BECAUSE 16 PLUS 30 IS 16.
WHEN IT COMES TO MONTHS IT WOULD BE TOMORROW.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT'S, IT'S THE DAY THAT WE SEND IT DOESN'T COUNT.
YEAH, IT STARTED ON THE SEVENTH.
AND THEN WHEN IT, WHEN WE GO TO THIS THING WHERE WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE DATE, WHICH IS SOON, THIS MONTH, IT'S, WE'RE GONNA GO, I I DON'T THINK IT'S NEXT THURSDAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE THURSDAY RIGHT AFTER WHENEVER IT IS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BE BETTER PREPARED FOR THAT OUTSIDE OF ENGAGE WITH THEM AND GET ON AN AGENDA AND ASK IF THEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT I WOULD ADVISE JUST ATTENDING.
SHOULD WE BRING OUR DECK? UM, THEY'RE IN A ROOM THAT HAS THE BOARD, UM, BRING, BRING EVERYTHING YOU GOT.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LASH ME INC.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 4 4 1 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO LAST TIME WE GOT PLANS OR NO PICTURES.
RIGHT? NO CHANGES SINCE TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF SIMPLE, SO YEAH.
LET'S JUST GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, HERE IS HE? OH, HE DOESN'T CLOSE.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LAMI INC.
TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENTIAL GARAGE AT 4 4 1 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2021
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AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE LAKSHMI INC.
ANYONE FOR AGAINST THE LAMI INC.
PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME.
BEING NO COMMENTS, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK? I'M ASSUMING NOT.
UH, BEING THAT THERE'S NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHAT WE GOT FOLDER I'VE GOT A RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA LOOK FOR.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO COMMENT ON BEFORE I READ THE RESOLUTION? IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER CORRECT.
UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMMER PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE LAMI INC PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO CAR, A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE AT 44 14 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2021.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, SECTION SIX, 17.5 C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SECRET PROCESS MOTION TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED DECEMBER 10TH, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND TWO, ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK CIRCUIT, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
COUNTY MAKES IT TOUGHER FOR THE LETTERS BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE USED TO ONLY DO THE LETTER ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING AND CAMMY'S PREPARED.
SO YOU ALWAYS KNEW WHEN IT WAS.
IT WAS THAT DAY AND SHE DOES IT, SHE'LL DO IT A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING I UNDERSTAND.
YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN BEEN TOLD TO TRY.
AND I CAME THAT DAY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING NEW CAME IN, I DIDN'T LOOK AT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
IT'S TWO YEARS AND HE STILL THE CAN'T TELL CA I KNOW NOTHING BUT GRIEF.
ALL FROM ONE OF THE TWO OF US STARTING NEXT MONTH.
WHY? WHY WOULD IT STOP? POTENTIALLY IT SHOULD JUST GET WORSE.
HOPING ON THE NEXT THING AT THE AGENDA.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR 4 0 9 7 LLC REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 4 0 9 7 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
SO THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THE APARTMENT ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL FIRST FLOOR.
AND THIS NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT NO ZONING CHANGE.
UM, I DID SPEAK WITH, UM, JOE KILLIAN FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
HE, THEY DID NOT COMPLETE A WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORM BECAUSE THEY SAW NO ISSUES WITH THIS AT ALL.
WE MAY GET THEM TO DO ONE FOR THE FILE ANYWAY, BUT THEY HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S AN ARCHITECT ON THAT COMMITTEE AND HE SAID THAT HE, HE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE BUILDING, THAT HE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT TOO.
SO HE JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT COMMENT.
SO, SO, OH, WE'RE DOING NOTICE.
WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU DO? WELL, UNLESS, UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTION, WE DON'T YEAH, I, I JUST GOT A QUESTION AND I WENT BY THERE.
I NOTICED IN THE FRONT STRUCTURE MM-HMM
YOU NEED SOME REAL WORK DONE ON THE FACADE THERE.
I NOTICED THERE'S SOME ROTTED WOOD UP IN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT BEFORE IT GOES BACK TOWARD THE GARAGE, THAT WHOLE CORNER LOOKS LIKE IT'S ROTTED OUT.
UH, DO THEY HAVE ANY PLANS TO FIX THAT? I MEAN, OBVIOUS OFF OFFHAND, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I MEAN, IT MIGHT ASSESS THE SITUATION WHEN THEY START DOING THE CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT IF THAT BUILDING, IF THAT PART OF THE BUILDING IS LIKE THAT, I'M CONCERNED OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I COULDN'T GET AT.
AND POTENTIALLY WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION IF WE WANTED.
WELL, THE THING IS, IF HE'S BUILDING ABOVE THE GARAGE, YOU DON'T THINK SO? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR YOU.
THAT'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTION.
WE CAN, SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S INSPECTION AND RIGHT.
YOU'LL PULL THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING FROM US, RIGHT? YES.
READY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEP.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL
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BY 4 0 9 7 LLC THAT WOULD PERMIT, PERMIT A RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 4 0 9 7 LAKE SHORE ROAD.THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2021 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 4 0 9 7 LLC.
ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THAT PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE FOR OR AGAINST? UH, 4 0 9 9 7 LLC FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT PROJECT? OKAY.
BEING NONE, I ASSUME THERE'S NO COMMENTS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALSO, I DO HAVE THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY TO USE AS THE SITE PLAN THAT HE REQUEST.
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE FOOTPRINT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR THE FILE.
SO PROCEDURALLY, UM, DREW MENTIONED THIS THE LAST TIME AFTER WE WENT THROUGH ONE OF THESE.
IN ADDITION TO WANTING THE FORM FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOT GET THE, WE ALSO NEED TO, WE'RE THE RESPONSIBLE ENTITY FOR ISSUING THE DETERMINATION.
AND I KNOW THAT THE CURRENT RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN DOES NOT INCLUDE, IT ONLY INCLUDES SEEKER AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION, UM, ADHERING TO THE WELL PUT, WHEREAS THE PROJECT IS CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN'S LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM IN NEED, NEED TO WALK THROUGH THE FORM AND THE CON, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THE LW THE FORM THAT THEY SEND BACK, SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE FORM THAT COMES BACK? I WOULD JUST PREFER TO RUN THROUGH THE RECORD.
I CAN RUN THROUGH THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE ON, ON THE FORM THAT THE APPLICANT FILLS IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE FORM THAT THEY TYPICALLY FILL OUT THAT SENDS BACK? DO WE HAVE ONE? NO.
DO YOU NEED A BLANK ONE? YEAH.
WELL, DREW MADE A, DREW'S NOT HERE, BUT HE MADE A BIG DEAL.
THE LAST SAID YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION, WHICH RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO IT, IT'S SAYING IT'S, IT'S IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TALES.
SO I'M TRYING TO, SO, UH, LET ME RUN THROUGH WHAT I HAVE ON HERE.
THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THE NEW ONE YET, CORRECT? OH, WRP, NO, NO.
SO THE CONCERNS JUST TO RUN THROUGH THEM.
UH, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING IT TO AFFECT SIGNIFICANT FISH WILDLIFE IF IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROUTE FIVE.
SCENIC RESOURCES OF LOCAL OR STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANT? NOPE.
IMPORTANT AGRICULTURAL LANDS? NOPE.
NATURAL PROTECTIVE FEATURES IN AN EROSION HAZARD AREA? NO.
COMMERCIAL OR RECREATIONAL USE OF FISH AND WILDLIFE RESOURCES? DEFINITELY NOT SCENIC.
QUALITY OF THE WATERFRONT ENVIRONMENT? NO.
IN FACT, LIKE AS I SAID, THE ARCHITECT MENTIONED IT WOULD ENHANCE SUCH THAT WOULD ENHANCE THAT BY MAKING THE BUILDING LOOK BETTER.
UH, WILL AFFECT DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE OR EXISTING WATER DEPENDENT USES? NO.
STABILITY OF THE SHORELINE? NO.
EXISTING OR POTENTIAL PUBLIC RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES? NO.
STRUCTURE SITES OR DISTRICTS OF HAMBURG OR DISTRICTS OF HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL OR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE? NO.
UH, PHYSICAL ALTERATION OF THE SHORELINE LAND UNDERWATER OR COASTAL WATERS? NOPE.
ALTERATION OF TWO OR MORE ACRES OF LAND? NO.
EXPANSION OF EXISTING PUBLIC SERVICES OR INFRASTRUCTURE? NO, I DON'T.
I MEAN, HOW MANY APARTMENTS? ONE APARTMENT.
SO, YEAH, NO, UH, IT'S NOT AN ENERGY FACILITY SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE LAW.
MINING, EXCAVATION, FILLING, YOU'RE JUDGING WATERFRONT WATERS IS A NO.
IT WILL NOT REDUCE EXISTING OR POTENTIAL PUBLIC ACCESS.
THERE'S NO SALE OR CHANGE IN USE OF PUBLICLY OWNED ANN LANDS LOCATED DOWN ON THE SHORELINE OR UNDERWATER? WELL, IT'S A CHANGE OF USE BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMERCIAL NOW AND IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THE, THE, I THINK THE CHANGE IN USE IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE L-O-U-R-P.
UH, WELL IT'S CHANGING USE OF PUBLICLY ON LAND, SO NOW WE'RE GOOD.
THIS IS PROBABLY HELD DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A DESIGNATED FLOOR OR EROSION HAZARD AREA DEVELOPMENT IN THE BEACH DUNE OR BARRIER ISLAND? NO.
CONSTRUCTION OR RECONSTRUCTION OF EROSION PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES? NO.
DIMINISHED GROUND WATER QUALITY OR SURFACE WATER QUALITY.
DOES SAN HAVE ANY BARRIER ISLANDS? NO.
THAT COMES I THINK FROM THE STATES.
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ON LONG ISLAND.I'M JUST SAY I THINK WE'LL TAKE THAT OUT THE NEXT ONE.
BUT CONSTRUCTION OR RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EROSION PROTECTIVE STRUCTURE.
REMOVAL GROUND COVER FROM THE SITE.
NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO THE SHORE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
IT, IT'S INLAND ON ROUTE FIVE.
UH, THE PROJECT SITE IS NOT PUBLICLY OWNED.
IT'S NOT USED BY THE COMMUNITY.
NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION AREA.
DOES THE PRESENT SITE OFFER OR INCLUDE SCENIC VIEWS OR VISTAS KNOWN TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY? THE SITE DOES NOT, BUT THEY HAVE VIEWS OF THEM FROM THE SITE.
CAN YOU SEE THE LAKE FROM THE PARKING LOT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN OR NOT.
YEAH, JUST IT'D HAVE TO BE TO, RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE LAKE FROM THE PARKING LOT.
BUT IT'S NOT, BUT THE SITE IS NOT THE SCENE VIEW OR VISTA.
WELL THIS CHANGE WOULDN'T IMPACT THE VIEW.
'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S, IF SOMEBODY GOES TO THE PIZZERIA BECAUSE THEY WANNA LOOK AT THE LAKE, THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE SAME LAKE.
UH, SITES NOT USED FOR COMMERCIAL FISHING OR FISH PROCESSING.
WHAT KIND OF TOPICS ARE YOU USING?
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
MATURE FOREST OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD? DEFINITELY NOT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TREES.
YOU'RE ON THE SEWER AS WELL, RIGHT? YES.
SO NO WATER DISCHARGES, NO SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE.
TRANSPORT, STORAGE, TREATMENT OR DISPOSAL OF SOLID OR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS? NO.
SHIPMENT OR STORAGE? PETROLEUM PROJECTS? MAYBE IF THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN THE APARTMENT EATS THE PIZZERIA ALL THE TIME.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO OUR CAKE IF WE DON'T FOCUS
UM, IT'S NO SHIPMENT OR STORAGE OF PETROLEUM PROJECTS.
NO DISCHARGE OF TOXIC HAZARDOUS WASTE.
NO CHANGE TO EXISTING ICE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR ICE MANAGEMENT WITH THAT AREA? IT IS NOT AFFECTING ANY WETLANDS, TIDAL OR FRESH WATER.
IT'S NOT ALTERING DRAINAGE OR FLOW PATTERNS.
SO THERE'S NO NEW STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT.
SO THERE'S NO CHANGE TO BMPS? CORRECT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE QUALITY OF QUANTITY OF SOIL SOURCE OR SURFACE WATER SUPPLIES.
AND IT IS NOT GONNA CAUSE EMISSION TO EXCEED FEDERAL OR STATE AIR QUALITY STANDARDS OR GENERATE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF NITRATES OR SULFATES.
SARAH HAD GOTTEN AN EMAIL SAYING THAT THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE WAS OKAY WITH THE PLAN, SO I JUST ADDED OKAY.
SO I AM ADDRESSED IF YOU WANNA, YOU WALK THROUGH IT, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT EVEN IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE FORM THAT SARAH HAS NOW HAVE IT FOR THE MINUTES.
SO THERE'S A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
DENNIS OR BOB? NO, THAT'S FAIR.
GLANCE, I DUNNO YOU'RE IN THE MINUTES YET.
YEAH, THEY, THEY DO GET FOGS ONE MY CONTACTS WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM 4 0 9 7 LLC TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 4 0 9 7 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2021.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EF PAUSE.
ISN'T THIS A TYPE TWO ACTION? MM-HMM.
NO, BECAUSE IT NEEDS A SPECIAL BECAUSE IT NEEDS A SPECIAL NEEDS.
SHE KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO VOTE ON IT IN CASE WE COULD REVERT TO THE, TO THIS ONE.
SO THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
I'M JUST GIVE YOU REALLY QUICK ON THAT ONE.
OKAY, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? UH, SO WE HAVE FOUR AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION.
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OKAY.WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM 4 0 9 7 LLC TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 4 0 9 7 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2021.
AND WHEREAS THE PROJECT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN'S LOCAL WATERFRONT WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM PER THE EMAIL DATED DECEMBER 14TH, 2021 FROM THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 8 0 3 1 2 AND 2 8 0 3 1 5.
THAT ONE THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF SECTION 2 8 0 DASH THREE 12.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED.
SO IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GARY MARINE CARAC REQUESTING REZONING OF VACANT LAND LOCATED WEST OF 2 8 1 9 LAKEVIEW ROAD FROM C TWO TO R ONE.
UM, SO YOU HAD ASKED SOME INFORMATION LAST TIME.
UM, GARY AND MAUREEN SET UP A PHOTO YEP.
A PICTURE OF WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD GO.
AND I UH, DID THAT RESEARCH FOR YOU ABOUT HOW BIG THE, UM, LOTS ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I COULDN'T EMAIL IT TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A COLOR.
SO IT TELLS YOU MORE OR LESS HOW FAR APART HOUSES ARE AND HOW LARGE THE LOTS ARE AROUND THIS.
AND I THINK GARY, I I THINK EACH OF YOUR LOTS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 0.9.
THIS IS NOT OUR PROBLEM, BUT I'M ASSUMING JUST THE WAY THIS MAP IS ZOOM IN AND THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE HIT, THAT 2,800 LAKEY ROAD DOES NOT ACTUALLY GO OVER, GO THE PROPERTY LINE ONTO THE ADJACENT PARCEL.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT IS.
GARY WAS HOPING TO MAYBE STRAIGHTEN THOSE LINES OUT WITH THAT NEIGHBOR, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT.
YEAH, IF SOMEBODY ELSE DID STAY AT HOME, WE'LL WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO STRAIGHTEN THE PROPERTY OUT.
THAT'S WHY THAT LOT IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
SO THE RR ONE LOTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE AC, ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE, AND THEN THE RA LOTS ARE TWO ACRES.
30,000 SQUARE, NO, 15,000 SQUARE FEET FOR R ONE.
ALTHOUGH I THINK THE CODE SAYS IF YOU'RE SERVED WELL, ARE YOU GONNA BE SEWER ACCEPTED? PROBABLY SEWER.
30,000 AND BY SEVEN 15,000 SQUARE FEET ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE.
I MEAN, MY RECOLLECTION FROM WHEN WE WENT DOWN THIS BEFORE WAS THAT NONE OF THE LOTS THAT ARE ZONED RA IN THAT OTHER AREA ARE ACTUALLY LARGE ENOUGH TO QUALIFY AS THE RA LOT.
'CAUSE AN RA LOT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST TWO ACRES.
RIGHT? WELL, FUNCTIONALLY EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET IS ACROSS THE STREET THERE, BUT THIS WHOLE, THE REST OF THE LITTLE ISLAND AND THEN SOME OF THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET PAST IT ARE FUNCTIONALLY ALL ONE.
WELL ALSO, UM, WHEN THE MONTH IN PROPERTY WAS SPLIT INTO 3 28 19 AND THEN THE MONTH OF, UH, BUSINESS, I DON'T THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE TWO ACRES EITHER.
I THINK I, AS I RECALL, THEY HAD TO GET A VARIANCE
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BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO SMALL.THAT'S WHY, WHICH HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THERE'S C2 ON RACE ROAD.
SO OUR ACTION ITEM AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON WHAT TO DO WITH THESE LOTS.
WELL, YOU'RE JUST WHAT TO DO WITH THIS ONE LOT.
AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE'RE GONNA REFER IT TO
THE, THE ONE THING WE'VE GOT HERE, THESE, THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE 72 FEET AND 60, 60 FEET FROM EACH OTHER, 72 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IN THIS DRAWING THAT SARAH DID.
THERE ARE TWO HOUSES, 96 FEET APART, 96 FEET APART.
I MEAN, STILL THIS IS NOTHING SET IN STONE.
IT'S JUST GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM BETWEEN THEM, BUT, BUT STILL AT 96 FEET, THAT WOULD MAKE THEM CLOSER TOGETHER THAN MOST OF THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA.
I THINK ALSO IF YOU THINK ABOUT ON LAKEVIEW ROAD, THEY WILL HAVE MORE ROAD FRONTAGE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER, WELL, THAN THE THREE LOTS THAT ARE TO THE WEST OF THIS.
SO THERE'S 2,800, THERE'S 2,800 LAKEVIEW ROAD, NOT 2,800 NORTH CREEK ROAD.
BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY FRONTAGE ON LAKEVIEW ROAD.
YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS ADDRESS IS.
NO, THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THIS LOT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON.
OH, THAT ONE, RIGHT? THAT ONE THAT HAS, THAT HAS THE DRIVEWAY ON NORTH CREEK ROAD.
SOMEBODY HANDING OUT THE NUMBERS.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT THE REZONING.
WHILE WE'RE ON THAT, I LOOKED AT DREW'S MEMO AND HE MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, WHEN THEY DID THE, THE LAST UH, STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY WANTED TO LEAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE AREA THERE TO GET TWO DEBTS.
BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
YOU KNOW, IN, AT THE LAST MIN MINUTE OR THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, YOU STATED THAT UH, YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT THE TOWN WOULD PREFER THAT THIS PARCEL WOULD BE ZONED RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
UH, IN LOOKING AT DREW'S NOTES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN CONFLICT OR WHO, WHAT GAVE YOU THAT IMPRESSION THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE THAT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE? NO, I THINK, I THINK WHAT DREW'S SAYING IS, WAS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T CALL FOR DOWN ZONING IN THAT AREA, BUT IT ALSO SAYS IT WANTS LESS COMP COMMITTEE DOES NOT WANT THAT PROPERTY TO STAY TWO.
WELL, WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, I I'M ASKING A QUESTION IF YOU'D LET ME, WHAT GAVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TOWN WANTED THAT TO GO, UH, RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE IT, IT NEVER CAME BEFORE US WHEN I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF VIRGINS FROM THE MONKS.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW A COMPLETE STORY.
I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT I I GOT IT.
I'M TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION.
BUT THE TOWN WANTED 'EM TO CHANGE FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND BECAUSE ONE OF THE MONKS DID NOT WANT TO GIVE UP THE COMMERCIAL RIGHTS TO WHERE HE WAS OPERATING EXCAVATION BUSINESS HOURS AND NOWLEDGE I RECEIVED FROM HIM IS THAT THE TOWN WOULD PREFER THIS WHOLE THING TO GO RESIDENTIAL.
BUT HE PULLED IT OUT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT JUST ONE SECTION OF, SO YOU GOT IT FROM A PREVIOUS OWNER THEN? PARDON ME? YOU GOT THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER ALSO DENNIS, WHO GOT IT FROM US, WHO WHEN, WHEN WE DID THE SUBDIVISION, WE SAID WE WANTED THAT TO BE RESIDENTIAL, NON COMMERCIAL RRA.
OH YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NUANCE THAT GOT LOST.
SO I REACHED OUT TO BETH FARRELL BECAUSE DREW IS OUT AND SHE'S ON THE UPDATE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ASKED IF THE UPDATE IN THE DRAFT THAT WAS ONGOING, IF THERE WERE GONNA BE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS SPECIFIC VICINITY.
AND SHE SAID SHE WASN'T AWARE OF ANY, BUT SHE WOULD TRY TO FOLLOW BACK UP WITH DREW.
BUT I, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BROADER CONCERNS IS, IS THAT THERE'S AN ABRUPT TRANSITION FROM C TWO TO RA AND THAT THE, IN MY MIND THE QUESTION IS, IS IS THAT AREA REALLY SUITED TO MULTIPLE C TWO BUSINESSES AND WHAT WOULD BE, I MEAN WE CAN PULL UP THE LIST.
NO, WHAT WOULD BE ZONE WELL BE ALLOWED UNDER THAT ZONING?
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AND I RECOGNIZE THAT DOWNSHIFTING TO AN R ONE WOULD BE MAYBE NOT IN LINE AND IT WOULD STILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S AROUND IT.BUT THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN AN ACRE OR THAT ARE LESS THAN TWO ACRES OTHER THAN THE THREE LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS NORTH CREEK ROAD THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.
AND IT SEEMS MORE CONSISTENT IN MY MIND WITH THE CHARACTER AND THE EXISTING LAND USE IN THE AREA.
THAN THE DENSITY THAN WHAT IS, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE ROAD IN THIS AREA THAT IT REALLY SEVERELY LIMITS WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO.
AND BECAUSE THE, THE, THE LOTS ARE BASICALLY SANDWICHED BETWEEN NORTH CREEK AND LAKEVIEW AND YOU END UP WITH FRONTAGE ALMOST LIKE A FRONT YARD, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE WOULD SAY FROM A A STATIC STANDPOINT, YOU BASICALLY END UP WITH A FRONT YARD ON BOTH THAT IT, IT'S A, IN MY MIND IT'S AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE AND IT IS NOT IDEAL TO DEVELOP AND IT OR TO BREAK UP LOTS.
UM, AND, AND BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A, A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE THEM TO SPLIT THAT.
OH NO, THERE WASN'T A VARIANCE.
I MEAN I, IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE USE OF LAND THAT IS NOT BECAUSE IT'S SANDWICHED IN TWO OTHER ROADS.
I MEAN, I WOULD GENERALLY, I GUESS BE SUPPORTIVE OF AN R ONE CHANGE WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY ELSE AGREES WITH ME.
WELL, LIKE I STATED, MY PROBLEM IS IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING GOING TO R ONE, WHAT'S TO STOP OTHER LANDOWNERS TO COME AND DO THE SAME THING.
WELL, LIKE DREW SAYS IN HIS MEMO, I THINK, OR MAYBE YOU SAID IT TO ME, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO, TO, TO PUT GOOD REASONING AS TO WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING R ONES IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
JUST, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO CLARIFY WHY THIS LOT IS DIFFERENT
THAT TO ME MAKES THIS A VERY DIFFERENT SETUP.
SO WE, AND AND THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT YOU GET A, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WAS USED FAR LESS IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND I THINK THIS IS, SO YOU'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT GIVEN THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S SO UNIQUE THAT THIS SHOULD BE OUR ONE IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION.
WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY ELSE AGREES WITH ME, EVERYBODY ELSE CAN.
BUT, BUT, BUT HERE, HERE'S THE, I MEAN THE, THE TOUGH THING WITH THAT IS THE REASON IT FITS IN WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES IS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THE OTHER ONES WHICH ARE ALSO NOT THE SAME ONE TIME, WHICH ARE ALSO NOT THE RIGHT.
SO IT'S, SO, SO IT'S HARD TO SAY IT'S DIFFERENT BY SAYING IT'S THE SAME.
HE SAID, NOW IS ALSO A TIME THAT WE AS A PLANNING BOARD COULD PROVIDE COMMENT BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE WHO'S WORKING ON AN UPDATE TO SAY THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER LOTS ARE ALSO TOO SMALL TO FIT THE RA AND, AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER SMALLER LOTS IN THIS LITTLE AREA SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN RR ONE.
I MEAN, WASN'T OTHER PEOPLE THINK THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORTH HAVING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE CONSIDER.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THE DOMINO EFFECT THAT, THAT DENNIS BRINGS UP IS WHAT STOPS ANYBODY ELSE FROM DOING THE SAME THING WE, OR FURTHER SUBDIVIDING.
IF IF WE WE'RE JUST TO, WE'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION THAT'S, BUT IF WE WERE TO GO THE R ONE ROUTE, WE COULD WRITE THE RESOLUTION IN SUCH A WAY THAT THESE FOUR COULD COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR A REZONING.
AND WE'D PROBABLY SAY YES FOR THE SAME REASONS.
BUT IF WE WROTE IT WELL ENOUGH, NOBODY ELSE COULD.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY, WHY WOULD THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES ASK TO DO RESOUND ANYWAY? THEY THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T.
BUT, BUT IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM DOING IT? RIGHT.
AND AND MAYBE THE EASE, IF, IF WE WANNA RECOMMEND R ONE, THE EASIER THING TO DO WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD LET JUST THOSE FOUR, BECAUSE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, WE TALK ABOUT THE STREETS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO IT'S THE ISLAND THAT'S BETWEEN NORTH CREEK.
YEAH, THE ISLAND, THE LITTLE ROAD AND THE AND LAKEVIEW THAT ARE BASICALLY HAVE, SO IF WE DEFINE IT BY THE ISLAND, THAT WOULD STOP PEOPLE FROM WITH BIGGER LOTS FROM SUBDIVIDED BECAUSE THE ISLAND IS ALREADY SMALL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEN HAVE A SUBDIVIDED LOT HERE.
THAT ONE C TWO, THAT'S WHAT HE'S CURRENTLY LISTED AS WELL.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE AMENABLE.
SO THIS ONE COULD TO THE OTHER LOT THAT'S, BUT THIS ONE COULD THE HOUSE, THERE'S, THIS IS THE BUSINESS, WELL IF WE MAKE IT R ONE IT COULD BE 0.3 OF AN ACRES.
SO THAT'S ALREADY GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ZONED, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A RESIDENCE FUNCTIONING AS A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
I GUESS THAT'S UNTIL THEY NEED TO SELL IT.
BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY COULD REZONE THIS OTHER RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT C TWO ALSO.
SO IT WOULD BE ANYTHING IN THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT, YOU KNOW.
BECAUSE IF SHE DECIDES TO SELL THAT HOUSE, SHE COULD SELL IT TO A COMMERCIAL USER, SELL
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THAT PROPERTY TO A COMMERCIAL USER.AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN END, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S UNLIKELY I WOULDN'T, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THAT SCENARIO.
I, THERE'S NOT MANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA THINK THAT'S A, A HIGH TRAFFIC LOCATION FOR SARAH.
THEIR SELLING WHATEVER THEY WANNA SELL.
IF WE RECOMMEND THAT IT BE R ONE.
ARE WE ALLOWED, AND I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION TOO, BUT A STIPULATION THAT IT CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED AGAIN, THAT PROPERTY'S ALREADY BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
COULD COULD IT BE LIKE NON, IT'S JUST WHICH PROPERTY? THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBDIVIDED ONCE.
YEAH, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
I DON'T THINK THAT HE WILL, HE WILL GO THROUGH WITH THAT.
HE WANTS TO SUBDIVIDED INTO THESE TWO.
HE ALREADY WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO BUT NO FURTHER BEYOND FURTHER SUBDIVISION.
DON'T, HE COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION WHETHER AND JUST DOES IT, IT'S A LITTLE AND THE TOWN BOARD CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF RESULTS.
WE'VE GONE FROM ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THREE AND NOW LIKE IT'S JUST FRAGMENTING.
AND I'M CONCERNED IF WE ALLOW IT TO FURTHER FRAGMENT, ESPECIALLY THE 0.9 ACRES INTO THREE MORE PLOTS EACH NOW IT DEFINITELY IS GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER.
RIGHT NOW IT IS GONNA CHANGE THE AESTHETIC.
I LIVED DOWN NORTH CREEK FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DESTROY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WANT TO MAKE, MAKE IT LOOK PRESENTABLE.
I WOULD NEVER SUBDIVIDE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
BUT IF YOU SOLD IT PIECE OF PROPERTY AS IT IS, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT, BUT DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE LOOKING ON LEFT OR RIGHT THAT THAT HOUSE, IT'S A CUTOFF TRIANGLE TO MAKE THAT.
SO THEN YOU WOULD'VE NICE LOTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
BUT IF YOU SOLD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, WHILE YOUR INTENTION MIGHT NOT BE TO SUBDIVIDE.
WELL I THINK ONCE THEY, IF THEY WERE TO DO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, PUT A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE, IT, THEN THERE'S NO WAY TO SUBDIVIDE IT AGAIN.
BUT THAT'S MY, AND I'LL SIGN OFF ANYTHING YOU WANT.
YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS HE'LL SELL THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE, BUT THEN THEY'LL, HE'S SELLING THE OTHER PIECE PROPERTY TO HIS RIGHT SON.
AND ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS YOU GOT KIDS SELL AND GIVE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, WE, WE CAN RECOMMEND A REZONING TO RA AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
AND I DON'T, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WANTS, BUT IT MAKES ME CONCERNED IF WE, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO SAY IT DOESN'T GO SMALLER THAN THIS, I THINK THAT IT, THAT THAT'D BE A THAT, I MEAN I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHEN THE TOWN BOARD VOTES ON IT IN JANUARY,
SO THIS WOULDN'T EVEN GO ON UNTIL JANUARY 24TH.
SO, SO WE'RE, OKAY, SO THAT, I MEAN CAN WE, CAN WE AUTHORIZE SARAH TO PREPARE US A DRAFT KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SAID THAT THAT'S A QUESTION.
SO DO WE WANNA HAVE SARAH AUTHORIZE A DRAFT THAT RECOMMENDS A REZONING TO R ONE? DO WE WANT HAVE SARAH AUTHOR DO A DRAFT THAT RECOMMENDS AGAINST REZONING? DO WE WANNA HAVE SARAH DO A DRAFT THAT RECOMMENDS REZONING TO RA? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING AROUND THAT IS.
I MEAN, I TEND TO AGREE WITH DENNIS.
THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS THERE.
SO I WOULD VOTE R ONE, BUT I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE VERY RAPIDLY BY THE NEXT MEETING, MEGAN BE VOTING.
BUT, AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS, WE'LL, YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFERENCE.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IN CLOSE VOTES IS WE'VE WE'VE OUTLINED THE REASONING OF BOTH DECISIONS.
AND SENT A MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD SAYING HERE'S WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT TO GET TO THIS POINT.
SO LET'S DO IT THAT WAY THEN LET, LET'S DO, LET'S DO A RECOMMENDATION THAT OUTLINES THE REASONINGS FOR R ONE AND THE REASONING FOR RA AND THE, THE PROS AND CONS BOTH.
WELL REALLY IT COULD JUST BE THE REASONING FOR R ONE AND THE REASONING TO DENY MM-HMM
BECAUSE HE'S NOT GONNA GO FOR AN RA.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN A THING THAT COULD JUST BE EITHER YOU DENY IT OR YOU, OR YOU OR YOU REZONE IT TO R ONE.
WAIT, I GUESS I LOST ON THAT PART.
HE'S ASKING TO REZONE TO R ONE.
WELL I MEAN DOES THE TOWN BOARD NEED HIM TO ASK FOR IT TO DO IT? I THINK THERE'S SITUATIONS AND AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE IDENTIFY AREAS THAT WE THINK TO BE REZONED WITHOUT, AND THAT'S NOT WITH THE LANDOWNER COMING TO US ASKING FOR REZONING, THAT WOULD BE US REZONING.
I MEAN I WOULD THINK THAT WHATEVER COMMENTS WE HAVE HERE, 'CAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS CHUNK OF PROPERTY HAS COME TO US THAT WE SHOULD COPY
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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE ON WHATEVER OUR COMMENTS ARE.AND I'M ASSUMING MAYBE THAT WON'T CHANGE, BUT, UH, MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILWOMAN FARRELL GETS A COPY OF THAT.
AND SPECIFIC WITH REGARD TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE THE LAST TIME THAT THESE COUPLE PARCELS COME BEFORE US.
WE DID MAPS WHERE WE CIRCLED AREAS TO LOOK AFTER REZONING.
SO I MEAN, I MEAN WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH WHERE IT'S WRITTEN.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD BACK ANYTHING WE CAN PROVIDE AS A FORMAL COMMENT ON THE RECORD AND THAT THEY CAN INPUT INTO THAT PROCESS, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT SOME, SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN HERE TO MAKE THIS A USABLE 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT SUPER FUNCTIONAL.
WHAT IS THE REASONING THAT YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE RA? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT TWO HOUSES IN FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION AND SPLIT IT AND BUILD HOMES.
WOULD YOU STILL BUILD THE ONE IF IT WENT TO RA? PARDON ME? WOULD YOU BUILD ONE IF IT WENT TO RA? NO SELL IT ALREADY SAID YOU SELL IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOTHING BUT A, YOU KNOW, I, I SOLD MY HOME ON, ON NORTH CREEK WAS A GOOD SIZED HOME.
I'M DOWNSIZING AND I DON'T WANNA FROM HERE TO THERE TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORK.
I SOLD MY HOME TO GET OUTTA IT.
SO I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK PROPER.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT OTHER HOUSE IS GOING IN RIGHT AWAY, BUT IF I GOT THE PROPERTY SET FOR THINGS WORK OUT, SARAH, THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE ALL ALL RIGHT.
JEN, CAN YOU SAY BILL, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEND, DO SOMETHING IN AGREEABLE? I HAVE A NON PROCESS SETTING, NOT SETTING.
WE, WE, IF WE DECIDE IN ZONING WHEREVER WE DO, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING.
SO WE, BUT BUT, BUT CAN WE SAY THAT NON PROCESSING TO, WELL YOU COULD RECOMMEND IT WITH RESTRICTIONS.
YOU KNOW, BUT CAN WE SAY IT THAT WAY? WELL THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO OTHER WORDS NOT PRECEDING.
BUT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO BE SO SPECIFIC THAT IT COULD ONLY APPLY TO THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAYING APPLYING IT TO THE AREA WITHIN THOSE ROADS AS OPPOSED TO THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, IF WE SAID WE, WE RECOMMEND THIS, BUT WE DON'T THINK ANYTHING AROUND IT SHOULD FOLLOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S, WELL IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT THAT WAY, THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO BE SO SPECIFIC THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION COULDN'T.
SO WHAT IS THE COULDN'T APPLY.
THE PLAN COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT THIS FOR POTENTIAL REZONING.
IS IT JUST THE C TWO OR IS IT ALL OF IT? JUST THE C TWO TO TO BE R IS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GO FROM C TWO TO RA.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT, SO WE CAN'T DO A NON-PROFIT SETTING BECAUSE YOU BUT THE WAY TO DO A NON PRECEDENT SETTING, THE WAY TO DO IT CORRECTLY WOULD BE TO BE SO SPECIFIC, LIKE HERE ARE OUR REASONS AND AND THOSE REASONS YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME APPLYING ANYWHERE ELSE.
NOW HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE PROTECTED FROM SPOT ZONING? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
SO IT'S NOT, THAT'S IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN THE THING IS, IT IS RESIDENTIAL, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ARGUMENT ON SPOT ZONING HERE IS THAT THE OTHER LOTS ARE CONSISTENTLY SIZED AND IT'S IN LINE WITH THE ADJACENT PARCELS.
AND BECAUSE IT'S LAND, I MEAN IT'S, IT, IT'S A BUFFER BETWEEN RA AND C TWO AND IT'S A BUFFER BETWEEN RA AND C TWO.
I MEAN THERE'S OTHER, BUT I MEAN BASICALLY THERE'S NOT MUCH.
I MEAN I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU DO IT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA APPLY ANYTHING WE SAY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF EVERY QUESTION THEY'RE GONNA THROW AT IT.
LIKE BEFORE YOU'RE GONNA THROW IT.
YEAH, WE DON'T ANSWER EVERY QUESTION.
YOU ANSWER EVERY QUESTION NEXT MEETING.
WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE CAN JUST PROVIDE, SO, SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING? SO I JUST SENT YOUR APPLICATION RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU IS FROM TWO TO R ONE.
IT SHOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA RECOMMEND OR NOT REJECT THE RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE IT WITH THAT C TWO TO R ONE.
AND THEN WHATEVER YOUR REASONING FOR, IF YOU HAVE A REASONING FOR RA, YOU'D SAY IT IN THERE.
BUT THAT SHOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THAT.
SO IF I HAD TO VOTE RIGHT NOW, I WOULD'VE TO VOTE FOR RA NOT, NOT OUR WELL THAT'S HOW WE ARE ONLY CAN YOU, WOULD YOU, YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR R YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR R ONE, NOT RA.
IT'S EITHER GONNA STAY TWO VOTE REZONING.
AND I WOULD VOTE, I WOULD VOTE TO RECOMMEND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT, THAT IT WAS A SPLIT BOARD AND THAT WOULD GO IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON YEAH.
WHAT SARAH WRITES SO WE'LL AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING AT THE PUT NEXT BOARD MEETING.
SO WE'LL SEE HOW SPLIT IT IS, BUT YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL NOTE IF IF IT'S, IF IT'S FOUR THREE, IF IT'S FIVE TWO, WE'LL WE'LL NOTE THAT AND WE'LL WE'LL DO AND WE'LL DO THE REASONING FOR BOTH SIDES.
WE'RE HAVE AT LEAST TWO, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE CAN DO IT.
SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE DOING A LOT MEETING BEFORE THE MEETINGS.
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YES.'CAUSE WE'LL BE, THERE MAY ONLY BE FOUR OR FIVE OF US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE THERE WON'T BE THE NEW APPOINTEE YET.
AND YOU WILL AND YOU WILL RESIGN, RIGHT? THEY'LL, OH YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY WON'T GET APPOINTED UNTIL THE 10TH.
ALRIGHT, GOOD THING IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ISSUES WITH MOTION AT THIS POINT.
A MOTION TO TABLE MOTION BY MR. CHAPMAN TO TABLE, UH, KEROUAC.
DO YOU WANT ME TO UM, EMAIL YOU? YES.
AND YOU GOT, AND THEN JUST DON'T REPLY ALL WHEN YOU HAVE A YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE IT? JUST EMAIL DIRECTLY AND THEN I'LL SEND IT BACK OUT AGAIN.
SO NEXT ITEM WE ARE GOING TO TABLE BECAUSE THEY WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THEY GOT TABLED BY THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ON THIS ONE.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS.
FORMERLY SCHMITT'S GARAGE REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
OKAY, IS THIS ONE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 6 3 9 6 8 LEGION DRIVE.
WE ARE GONNA TABLE THAT ONE TO JANUARY 5TH.
JUST TO NOTE THAT ONE WAS ALSO TABLED IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE OF THE ZBA.
MM-HMM
SO IT WAS UM, YEAH, THE REASON, THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE TABLED BECAUSE OF THE TOWN'S FAULT.
THE SECOND TIME THEY WERE TABLED IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD TO APPEAR.
NOW THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO GO.
SO WE'RE CONFIDENT IT WON'T BE TABLED ON THE FOURTH.
SO WE CAN PUT IT ON THE FIFTH.
WE DON'T NEED TO KICK IT OUT FARTHER.
SORRY, I MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE AUTO COLLISION IN GLASS TO JANUARY 5TH.
DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND, NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKE SHORE AND BIG TREE ROAD.
TARA ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A LAPTOP AND YOU WANNA PLUG IN, YOU CAN USE THE SCREEN, SAVE YOU FROM BRINGING A PROJECTOR AND ALL THAT STUFF.
NEXT TIME OR WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT, YOU GUYS HAVE IT.
YOU I'LL CONSIDER THAT FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'LL DEFINITELY SAVE ME 15 BUCKS EVERY TO OFFICE DEPOT WORK.
SEAN IS JUST ALWAYS LOW TACKING.
SO I'M GONNA GET SEAN TO START USING THAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE, I'D LOVE TO DO THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST BECAUSE SHE SAID SO.
SARAH, WHAT DO LISTEN TO SARAH.
YOU ALL HAVE UM, A HARD COPY OF WHAT SARAH EMAILS WITH THE BROAD I REPRESENT, UM, OR WITH A DEVELOPER FOR A DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, THE INTERSECTION OF BIG TREE ROAD, TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND LAKE SHORE ROAD.
WE HAVE UM, OF COURSE BEEN BEFORE YOU ALREADY FOR ON THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REFERRED US TO A COUPLE OF ADVISORY BOARDS.
UM, SO WE MET WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD ON NOVEMBER THE 18TH.
UM, TO THIS POINT WE STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED THEIR COMMENTS SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL RESPONSE TO THOSE.
UM, WE ALSO MET WITH THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER THE NINTH.
LIKEWISE, THEY HAVE NOT ISSUED THEIR COMMENTS TO ME, SO, UM, TODAY WE WON'T BE ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE SPECIFIC MEETINGS.
SO AT THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE THEY DID GIVE COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THEY WERE AFTER FRIDAY.
WELL WE WOULD APPRECIATE A COPY OF THIS.
AT THE EARLIEST CONVENIENCE OBVIOUSLY.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO UM, TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME FOR.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL MAYBE LOOK AT SOME SITE LAYOUTS, UM, THAT ALSO WERE A REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, ON OUR SEEKER LONG FORM, THERE WAS A,
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UM, CONCERN FOR SOME ENDANGERED FISH SPECIES, THE LAKE STURGEON AND AN EASTERN SAND DAUGHTER.WE HAD AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT PREPARE A REPORT ON THOSE SPECIES TO DETERMINE THAT UM, THEIR ENVIRONMENT WITH, WITH TER BROOK WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED, UM, AND WOULD NOT HAVE REALLY ANY IMPACT TO THOSE SPECIES.
AND YOU HAD TO HAVE THAT REPORT IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET.
WE ALSO, UM, REQUESTED A, UM, CONSULTATION BY SHIPPO BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSITIVE, UM, LOCATION HERE.
THEY DID RESPOND BACK THAT THEY RECOMMENDED A PHASE ONE A ONE B SURVEY.
AND SO WE HAVE INITIATED THAT, UM, WITH AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO GO AND DO THE, UM, DO THE SURVEY ON THE SIDE.
AND AS SOON AS THOSE, UM, RESULTS ARE AVAILABLE, OF COURSE I'LL SUBMIT 'EM TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING HERE SENSITIVE AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CHECK THAT OFF OF THE LIST OF CONCERNS.
WE ALSO HAD A, UM, REQUEST REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT IF, IF THE, UM, PLOT THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A, A PARCEL THAT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPABLE.
UM, PRIMARILY JUST BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, RESTRAINTS ON THE SITE.
AND SO THERE AGAIN, WE HAD OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND GIVE THEIR OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE A DEVELOPABLE LOT.
UM, AS LONG AS WE FOLLOWED THE PROPER, UM, PERMITTING AND REVIEWS BY THE AGENCIES INVOLVED.
WHETHER IT IS, UM, USE CASE IF THERE, UM, DEEMED TO BE JURISDICTIONAL JURISDICTION, OF COURSE THEY WOULD BE FEDERAL ONLY WETLANDS BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO SMALL TO BE SAFE OR LOCAL, UM, WETLANDS.
SO JUST CLEARING THOSE ITEMS OUTTA THE WAY.
IF YOU DID HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, THE THIRD SHEET IS THE ONE THAT, THAT'S THE MAP WE ASKED FOR, RIGHT? SO THE 1.83538 ACRES WIND REMAINING IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND WITHIN THE SETBACK, CORRECT? OR IS THAT IN, OR IS THAT INCLUDING, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT BOX I'M LOOKING AT TO DRAW THE, WHAT WHAT IS THE 1.83 I'M TERRIBLE WITH.
OKAY, SO THE 1.83 ACRES WOULD BE THE REMAINING, THE PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING I WOULD REFER TO AS THE REMAINING LAND.
SO THAT IS DEVELOPING THIS SECTION AND THEN THIS LITTLE TAIL PIECE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME, BUT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT OVERALL PARCEL? IS THAT OVERALL PARCEL? IT'S ABOUT FOUR.
THE, THIS WHOLE ENTIRE PIECE, JUST THE PIECE THAT'S REMAINING LEFT, JUST THIS PIECE IS 1 8 5 3 ACRES.
THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS 2.45 ACRES.
AND THEN THE WHOLE ENTIRE PARCEL I THINK IS AROUND 4.3 ACRES THIS YEAR.
SO THIS IS REALLY, THIS WOULD BE THE DEVELOP JUST THIS AREA? JUST THIS AREA.
WELL BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS THE CREEK.
OH THIS IS THE HUNDRED YEAR FOOT.
THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAD LAST TIME.
SO IT'S REALLY ONLY THIS LITTLE PIECE.
SO WHY ARE WE PROVIDING FOR, SO I BELIEVE THERE'S A, I BELIEVE IT'S A 40 FOOT FRONT STEPBACK AND THEN LIKE A FIVE FOOT, UM, 10 10 FOOT REAR SETBACK AND A FIVE FOOT SIDE STEPBACK.
THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE SECTION RIGHT HERE.
40 IN THE FRONT 10 FEET AND FIVE FEET ON THE SIDE.
PUT ORIGINALLY GOING THIS WAY.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GOT TWO PICTURES.
OH YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE.
SO RIGHT NOW ALL WE'RE ALL WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS JUST THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THERE WERE MULTIPLE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE LAYOUTS IN JUST ONE SECOND.
CAN YOU, IF I, I CAN GIVE THIS BACK TO YOU 'CAUSE I CAN PRINT THIS OUT AGAIN, BUT IF I ASK FOR TWO DIFFERENT ACREAGES, CAN WE HAVE THE ENGINEER SEND US THOSE TWO NUMBERS BASED ON BUBBLES I JUST DREW ON HERE.
WE CAN GET YOU THE UM, AREA, WHATEVER YOU'RE ASKING FOR TO, TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE CONCERN IS WE, WE WORRY THAT THAT OTHER PIECE IS AN UNDEVELOPABLE UNDEVELOPABLE LOT AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE IT SUBDIVIDED.
WE'D RATHER HAVE IT BE PART OF THE, THE WHOLE LOT.
SO THERE'S NOT AN UNDEVELOPABLE
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LOT ADJACENT TO IT THAT WOULD, COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOUR COMPANY WOULD PUT IT IN A POSITION THAT WOULD HAVE IT COME BACK TO THE TOWN, BUT WE WORRY ABOUT THAT STUFF AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN AND THAT IS WHY I HAD AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, UM, PROVIDE A LETTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT SAID THAT THIS PARCEL SHOULD NOT BE, SHOULD NOT BE REFUSED AS A DEVELOP AS BEING NOT DEVELOPABLE IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION.IT COULD BE DEVELOPED, WE WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS, BUT THAT IS POSSIBLE.
THAT IS NOT A REASON TO SAY SOMETHING IS NOT DEVELOPABLE.
SO THE, BECAUSE THERE'S A SOLUTION.
SO THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS WE JUST, THE REASON I WANNA ASK IS I WANNA ASK WHAT THE BUILDABLE, LIKE WHAT THE PORTION IS THAT'S OUTSIDE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
'CAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT I THINK YOU COULD PUT IN THE FLOODPLAIN IF IT WAS LIKE PARKING AND STUFF THAT WOULD BE, YOU CAN PUT A BUILDING UP.
OH BUT THERE'S ALSO HAVE TO LIFT IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO IT.
SO I GUESS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH LAND IS LEFT.
THAT'S THE TWO NUMBERS I WANT FROM YOU.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO POCKETS AND THEN YOU CAN KIND INTERCONNECT IT JUST TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT IS.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN JUST SO THAT'S TO REITERATE JUST ABOUT ANY OF THIS LAND COULD BE DEVELOPED IF YOU SECURED THE PROPER PERMIT, WHETHER IT'S A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, WHETHER SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT OF DOING SOME SORT OF FLOOD STUDY TO EVEN DEVELOP WITHIN THE REGULATORY FLOOD WAY.
SO THIS WHOLE AREA, IF THEY FOLLOWED ALL THE PERMITTING GUIDELINES AND IF THEY WANTED TO INVEST IN IT AND IF THEY HAD A PROJECT THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THOSE DIMENSIONS COULD BE DEVELOPED.
SO WHY IS THE REASON THEN WE'RE INVESTIGATING SUBDIVIDING? BECAUSE I I I'M A LITTLE LEERY TO JUST SUBDIVIDE FOR THE SAKE OF SUBDIVIDING MM-HMM
SO WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE, UH, OUR TENANT, WHICH Y'ALL KNOW TO BE DOLLAR GENERAL AND DOLLAR GENERAL HAS, UM, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A STORE, THEY HAVE TO CREATE A BUDGET AND THAT BUDGET INCLUDES THE LAND COST AND ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO THIS DOESN'T FIT THEIR HOPE OF DEVELOPING ON SAY, A MORE DIFFICULT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THEIR DIFFICULTY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE UTILIZING THIS PORTION OF THE LAND.
IT WOULD CHANGE TAXES AND MAINTENANCE COSTS.
WHAT IT, WHAT IT RESULTS IN IS YES, MAINTENANCE, IT RESULTS IN THE TOWN NOT BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE A PIECE OF LAND THAT, IN OUR OPINION, IN OUR CONSULTANT'S OPINION COULD BE DEVELOPED AND IN WHICH CASE IT COULD BE SOMETHING USABLE AND MORE PRODUCTIVE AND USE AT ITS HIGHEST USE FOR THE TOWN.
SO WHO WILL BE THE OWNER OF THIS LAND IF IT IS SUBDIVIDED? IS IT JUST GOING TO BE VACANT? THE BROADWAY GROUP WOULD RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THIS LAND FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
SO YOU WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAINTAINING IT THEN? YES.
AND NOW WHY IS, SORRY, IS THE OTHER HALF OF THE LOT THAT, SO BROADWAY IS STILL GONNA RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE OTHER LOT, BUT DOLLAR GENERAL IS A LONG-TERM LEASE MM-HMM
SO BROADWAY GROUP WILL OWN BOTH PIECES.
NOW, IF YOUR, YOUR TENANT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THOSE FACTORS, WHY GO AFTER A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T MATCH? LIKE THIS IS CREATING THE, THIS IS KIND OF CREATING A TON OF PAPERWORK AND A BURDEN AND IT MAY BE AN UNNECESSARY SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
I I KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO, UM, PERFORM A DUE DILIGENCE.
WE REVIEW ZONING ORDINANCES, WE REVIEW PROTOCOLS FOR DOING THINGS LIKE A MINOR SUBDIVISION, TWO LOT MINOR SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT THAT STRINGENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND KIND OF RESISTANCE TO OUR PROPOSAL, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANTICIPATED.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THEM AS BEST AND AS FULLY AS I CAN, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST THOUGHT, WELL LET'S MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE TOWN.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, A SIMPLE PROCESS AND DECISION.
I THINK OUR JUST CONCERN IS CREATING THIS VACANT PARCEL WHEN IT'S A LARGER PARCEL AND IT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE PARCEL THAT IS IN A UNIQUE, IT HAS SEVERAL UNIQUE OVERLAYS THAT AFFECT THAT PARCEL OF LAND.
AND SO IT'S NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS A BASIC SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
WELL, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS DREW SAYS VERY OFTEN IS THERE AREN'T THAT MANY SIMPLE PROPERTIES TO DEVELOP LEFT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
RIGHT? SO, WELL OURS IS CASE IN POINT.
I MEAN THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS NOT SIMPLE TO DEVELOP BY ANY MEANS.
WE'RE HAVING TO DO A WATER LINE EXTENSION, OR EXCUSE ME, SEWER LINE EXTENSION BECAUSE THE TOWN HASN'T PROVIDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE HAVING TO SOLVE FOR, UM, WETLAND CONDITIONS.
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SOLVE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SOME UNDOCUMENTED FILL THAT WAS BROUGHT IN.SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE HERE AND IT'S NO WONDER THAT THIS PARCEL HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED TO BE MORE USEFUL FOR THE TOWN BEFORE.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT CHALLENGE.
WE DID PREVIOUSLY APPROVE A DIFFERENT PROJECT ON THIS.
BUT IT, THAT PROJECT DID NOT GO FORWARD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS THOUGH YOU CAN'T BLAME IT ALL ON THE PROJECTS.
I THINK THAT HE HAD SOME PARTICULAR REASONS FOR MAYBE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, BUT REGARDLESS WE HAVE A PARCEL THAT'S BEEN BANK IS AND UNDEVELOPED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND, UM, THERE'S BEEN VERY FEW PROPOSALS TO COME FORWARD TO DEVELOP THIS INTO ITS HIGHEST USE.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET BACK TO MS. MCCORMICK ABOUT THE AREA, THOSE TWO AREAS THAT YOU WERE CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, AND TAKE THE DISCUSSION FROM THERE PERHAPS RIGHT IN OUR, AS WE CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
SO I WANNA BACK UP NOW AND REALLY, UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT ANOTHER SPECIFIC REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD FOR ME.
AND THAT WAS, UM, JUST IN CONSIDERATION OF THE UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ON THIS SITE, BEING THAT WE DO HAVE A WATERWAY, WE HAD A REGULATORY FLOODWAY, WE HAVE A FLOOD ZONE, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE POCKETS OF WHAT WE HOPE TO BE NON-JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL ONLY WETLANDS.
SO HOW CAN WE LIMIT IMPACTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT? THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD HAD A LAYOUT LIKE THIS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BUILDING KIND OF IS ORIENTED, UM, WITH ITS LONG SIDE TOWARDS LAKESHORE ROAD AND THE SHORT SIDE TOWARDS, UH, THE BIG TREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
AND THEN WE WERE PROPOSING TO BASICALLY, UM, AVOID PRACTICALLY ANY IMPACT AT ALL FOR THIS LARGER WETLAND AREA THAT WE KNOW EXISTS ON THE, THE PROPERTY IT IS.
UM, SO WE DEFINITELY GAVE PREFERENCE TO PRESERVING AND PROTECTING A WETLAND.
UM, REASONS FOR THAT ARE, WE KNOW THAT THE TOWN PREFERS THAT IT'S DOCUMENTED IN YOUR ZONING CODE.
UM, AND NUMBER TWO, WE DON'T HAVE A JURISDICTIONAL DIRT DETERMINATION HERE YET.
SO TO SAY THAT WE CAN, THAT THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT NOT SAY YOU HAVE MORE REQUIREMENTS HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST WOULD LOVE TO LEAVE THIS PIECE ALONE AND NOT BOTHER IT.
WE DO HAVE A SMALL POCKET OF WETLAND HERE, 0.09 ACRES, SO IT'S VERY TINY.
UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FILLED IN.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION THAT KIND OF, UH, TAKES A LITTLE SERPENTINE ROUTE, UM, AND KIND OF CUTS ACROSS THE BACK OF OUR BUILDING THAT, UM, I THINK IS THE MAIN CONCERN THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD WAS COULD WE SOMEHOW SHIFT THE BUILDING AROUND TO ELIMINATE COMING INTO THIS FLOOD ZONE AND THEN WHAT WOULD THE TRADE OFF BE MAYBE TO THE WETLAND AREAS? SO WE LOOKED AT THAT.
WHAT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IS THAT ON THE JUST BOTTOM LINE, UP FRONT BOTTOM OUR ENGINEERS AND BELIEVE THAT THIS IS STILL THE PREFERRED LAYOUT THAT PROVIDES THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE EN THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, RESTRAINTS.
AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT AVOIDS IMPACTING THAT LARGER AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY HELP MITIGATE FOR THIS SECTION OF BUILDING THAT DOES KIND OF GO INTO THIS ELEVATION OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE AREAS ON EITHER SIDE REMAIN IN THAT FLOOD ZONE ELEVATION.
AND SO WHILE WE'RE MAYBE FILLING IN THIS AREA, THESE TWO POCKETS WOULD BASICALLY MITIGATE THAT.
SO WE'RE MITIGATING FOR THE FLOOD ELEVATION AND WE'RE PRESERVING THE LARGE WETLAND AREA.
NOW FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, A SITE DESIGN THAT HAD THE LONG FRONT OF THE STORE GOING TOWARDS BIG TREE AND THE SHORT SIDE GOING TO LAKE SHORE.
SO ON THE FACE, I KNOW THAT YOU'LL LOOK AT THIS AND YOU'LL GO, THAT IMPROVES EVERYTHING.
THERE ARE NO IMPACTS WHATSOEVER.
BUT THE PROBLEM HERE IS, AND WHAT WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF IS SEEING THE, ALL THE GRADING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN TO ELEVATE THE SITE AND TO PUT IN THE WATER, THE STORM WATER SYSTEMS. SO IF YOU TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE GRADING, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO NUMBER ONE, THIS LARGE WETLAND AREA
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THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY ABLE TO PRESERVE WOULD BASICALLY BE FILLED IN.ABOUT HALF OF IT IS COVERED UP WITH THE, UM, DRIVE AISLE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
JUST FOR THE DUMPSTER AND DELIVERY.
WE LOOKED AT ANOTHER LAYOUT THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE DUMPSTER AND DELIVERY IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
BUT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE.
WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT BACK HERE.
UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO MAKE A EVEN MORE IMPACT UP HERE.
SO NOT EVEN PRESENTING THAT SOLUTION.
UM, OVER HERE, UM, WE HAVE THIS SMALL WETLAND AREA, BUT EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, DESIGN WAS GONNA BE FILLED IN, IN THIS SCENARIO AS WELL, WITH THE GRADING OF OUR STORMWATER POND, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME GRADING BACK HERE AS WELL THAT WOULD HEAT INTO THAT WETLANDS AREA.
SO WHILE THE OTHER THING IS, WHICH IS MAYBE, UM, I GUESS MAYBE IT JUST GOES TO A VISUAL PREFERENCE FOR AESTHETICS, BUT I PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW ENVIRONMENT HAS TO MAYBE COME BEFORE LOOK SOMETIMES, BUT THIS WIDE PAVEMENT AREA THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AS PLEASING OF A LAYOUT.
SO HOW COME THERE'S STORMWATER PONDS ON THE NEW, THIS IS BILL'S QUESTION.
UH, WHY ARE THERE STORMWATER PONDS ON THE ALTERNATE LAYOUT BUT NOT THE ORIGINAL ONE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I DIDN'T HARDLY EVEN NOTICE THAT.
'CAUSE I HAVE THE FULL ENGINEERED SET OF PLANS IN MY MIND.
IN THIS PARTICULAR, IN THE ORIGINAL SET OF PLANS, WE DIVIDED THE STORM PONDS.
SO WE HAD A STORM POND SYSTEM OVER HERE THAT WAS KIND OF SMALLISH.
AND WE HAVE ONE OVER HERE THAT IS IN BETWEEN THE PAVEMENT AND THE WETLAND AREA.
SO THOSE WERE OUR TWO STORM POND SYSTEMS. SO THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THE FIRST PLAN, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE IT ON THE, THE PAPERS, RIGHT? YES, OF COURSE.
I MEAN, OUR PLANS WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STORM WATER CONTROL.
UM, WE DEFINITELY HAVE, UM, A REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT FOR OUR PERMIT WITH DEC.
UM, WITH HAMBURG BEING AN MS FOUR, OF COURSE PAM'S GONNA DO HER OWN THOROUGH REVIEW.
SINCE THIS SITE HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN UNDEVELOPED, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE EVEN MORE STRINGENT WITH DEC THAN IS IF WE HAD A DEVELOPED SITE THAT WAS BEING REDEVELOPED.
SO THE RUNOFF REDUCTIONS HERE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MEET DECC STANDARDS PLUS MS FOUR STANDARDS, AS WELL AS WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
SO BOTH PLANS WILL HAVE STORM WATER CONTROLS.
IT'S JUST THIS ONE WOULD DIVIDE IT INTO TWO.
AND ON THIS ALTERNATE LAYOUT, WE DON'T HAVE SPACE OVER HERE REALLY ANYMORE.
SO WE'VE GOT STORM WATER HERE AND HERE IN THE BACK.
SO, SORRY, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
IF YOU'VE LOOKED BACK, BECAUSE I, THIS IS NOT
YOU SEE THE AREA WHERE THE PARKING LOT CUTS OUT OVER ON THE LEFT.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT STORM WATER OR SOMETHING OVER THERE? I MEAN, IS THERE MORE EFFICIENT? SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY, SORRY, IT GOES ALL THE WAY INTO THIS.
SO MAYBE THE NEXT THAT APPLIES NEEDS TO HAVE THAT ON AND THEN, UM, LITTLE BIT THAT COLLECTS EVERYTHING.
LANDSCAPING, WE'D BE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING AS WELL ALONG THE STREET SCAPE IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SORRY, GO BACK TO YOUR NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO BE A, FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE THAT WITH THIS FIRST PLAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO MITIGATE MORE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAN WITH THE ALTERNATE PLAN.
AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I FELT LIKE JUST THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE IS MORE ATTRACTIVE WITH THIS LAYOUT.
THE PAVEMENT AREA DOESN'T LOOK AS BROAD AND WHY, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD JUST BE A MORE ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENT ALTOGETHER.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT IS A DECISION THAT YOU, UM, WILL WANT TO, TO WEIGH IN ON AND CONSIDER WHAT I'VE HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN TRY TO ANSWER OR CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
SO I WILL FORWARD YOU THE WATERFRONT FORM I GOT FROM JOE KILLIAN.
I'LL SCAN, SCAN IT IN TOMORROW.
YEAH, IT, WAS IT MONDAY OR TUESDAY THAT THEY DID THAT, RIGHT? IT WAS AFTER FRIDAY.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT, BECAUSE I HAD SET IN ON THAT CAB MEETING, UM, THAT THEY HAD ASKED, YOU'RE GONNA HATE ME FOR ASKING THIS, BUT THE OTHER QUESTION THEY ASKED WAS ABOUT, SO YOU KIND OF GAVE US THIS WAY IN THE 90 DEGREES, HE HAD TALKED ABOUT PIVOTING IT.
AND WHAT I THINK, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IF WE, IF WE DID LIKE A 45, MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT BASED ON THE GRADINGS, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR YOU TO, WITH
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THE PLACEMENT OF THE STORM WATER PONDS, THAT YOU WOULD END UP IN A SIMILAR SITUATION? I THINK THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE USED.I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT TRYING TO PIVOT THIS CORNER OF THE STORE, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE PIVOTING, PIVOTING.
YOU'RE GONNA START GETTING BACK HERE ANYWAYS.
AND THEN THIS IS GONNA BE STORM WALK, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT GOING BACK.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA GO INTO BOTH OF THEM IF WE PIVOT, IF WE DON'T GO ALL THE WAY, WE'RE GONNA PIVOT INTO BOTH OF THEM.
YES, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT MY ENGINEER HAS TOLD ME, THAT THIS WOULD NOT REALLY BE, IT WOULD NOT IMPROVE THE SITUATION, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY SPEAKING.
AND IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT LESS DESIRABLE.
CAN YOU FLIP BACK YOUR COLOR CODED ONE? THIS IS, UH, SO THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING WITH OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN, THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THIS PART OF THE BUILDING AND SOME PAVEMENT THAT GOES INTO THE EXISTING FLOOD ELEVATION.
WHEN WE BUILD THE SITE, THIS PART OF THE BUILDING WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE FLOOD PLANE.
IT WILL BE RAISED ABOVE THAT FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION TO PREVENT, PREVENT FLOODING OF THE STORE.
SO AS YOU RAISE THIS GROUND UP, THESE SECTIONS OF THE LANDS WILL BE REMAIN LOWER AND WILL ACCOMMODATE BASICALLY THE VOL, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OR HELP MITIGATE THE VOLUME.
THAT PARKING LOT COULD FLOOD AND IT WOULD NOT BE, UH, IF THERE WAS A FLOOD EVENT FOR SOME REASON A HUNDRED THAT THEY WAS FILLING THE FLOODWAY, THERE WAS A MAJOR STORM EVENT, YOU'RE UNCONCERNED THAT THE PARKING LOT IS GONNA GET, WOULD'VE STANDING WATER IN IT IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY EVENT.
UM, I THINK IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY EVENT, OUR DEVELOPMENT WOULDN'T BE THE ONLY ONE IMPACTED.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BROADER AREA WOULD BE IMPACTED.
SO YOU'D BE RAISING, SO YOU'RE THE BUILDING UP AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER, THES NO LOSS OR INJURY TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE RAISED AT, WELL, THE BUILDING PARTICULARLY WOULD BE RAISED OUTTA THE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR SURE.
THE SHORELINE COMMENT IS A PERMEABLE PARKING LOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, MAYBE WE SEND THAT TO CAM FIRST.
KIM, AM I CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT IF WE RAISE THE BUILDING UP AND FILL THAT AREA, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, THAT IT PUTS A GREATER BURDEN AND STRESS ON THE AREAS IMMEDIATELY AROUND TO LIKE ABSORB OR RE DEAL WITH THE RESIDUAL FLOODING? IT'S, IT'S VERY MINOR, BUT YES.
YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, YOU JUST
THEN IF YOU LOOK AT A FLOOD PLAIN MAP, YOU'RE GONNA SEE LIKE THIS HUGE FLOOD PLAN THAT GOES ACROSS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES PROBABLY FOR THAT WHOLE AREA ALONG THE WATERWAY.
IT'S BASICALLY WHERE IT OVERTOPS, UH, SHOULD THE WATERWAY ACTUALLY GET TO A HIGH POINT.
SO IT JUST HAPPENS THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD FILL IN.
AND FEMA DOES A FULL FLOOD STUDY TO DETERMINE THIS LINE.
AND YEAH, IT IS A SMALL AREA, BUT YES, THAT WATER IS THEN GOING TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO, WHICH IS NEIGHBORING ROAD RACE.
LIKE THAT'S, THAT BACKS UP TO UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.
IT WOULD, WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BACK UP UPSTREAM IN OTHER WAY.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BACK UP IN OTHER WAYS.
WELL, AND THEN IT EVENTUALLY DRAINS ALL INTO THE LAKE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO THE, THE THEORY WOULD BE THERE, STORE WATER CONTROL IS GOING TO PRODUCE LESS WATER THAN THE CURRENT SITE.
SO IN THEORY, THEY'RE ALSO, THEY'RE REMOVING SOME OF THE WATER THAT'S CURRENTLY RUNNING OFF BY CREATING THEIR OWN CONTROLS ON SITE.
YOU THEN HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CHECK ALL THOSE NUMBERS WITH, TO SEE IF THERE WAS REALLY A, IF IT'S REALLY EQUALS THE SAME, BUT THERE IS SOME CONTROL ON SITE FOR THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND THEY'RE IMPACTING SOME OF THAT.
I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE, THE QUESTION OF OUS PAYMENT THAT YOU WERE KIND OF BRINGING UP BECAUSE, UM, I DID, UH, I HAVE RECALLED THAT OUR ENGINEER SPECIFICALLY HAD THAT IN OUR SWIP, UM, REPORT FOR THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT.
AND SO I WENT BACK AND CHATTED WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT GREEN PRACTICES THAT DEC WANTS YOU TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CONSIDER FOR YOUR SITE.
AND SO HIS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BECAUSE THE TYPE OF SOILS THAT ARE HERE, YOU DO NOT WANT A PERVIOUS PAVEMENT BECAUSE THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO.
IT'S NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY SOAK INTO THE SOIL.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A PERVIOUS PAVEMENT IS SO IT GOES FROM PERVIOUS AND THEN INFILTRATES INTO THE GROUND.
THE SOIL CONDITIONS HERE ARE NOT GONNA ABSORB THAT WATER.
AND SO YOUR PREFERRED, UM, MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING THE STORM POND, THE INFILTRATION STRIPS, THE STORM
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PONDS, AND THEN CONTROLLING THE WATER RELEASE BACK TO ITS NORMAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS.SO CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT? I MEAN, YOU'LL GET THE COMMENTS FROM THE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
I'D LOVE TO DO A FORMAL WRITTEN RESPONSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO RESPOND TO.
AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA MUDDY THE WATER.
SARAH SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT TODAY AND WE'LL JUST, I, I WON'T BRING UP OTHER STUFF ON IT.
WE'LL LET YOU GET IT, GET IT IN WRITING AND, AND RESPOND TO IT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE CAP? NO, THE WATERFRONT.
SHE WANTS TO RESPOND FROM BOTH.
SHE WANTS TO RESPOND TO BOTH OF THEM.
SO TARA, THIS SIZE OF THIS WAS ATTACHED TO THE WATER FROM ASSESSMENT FROM THE SHO.
SO TARA, THE SIZE OF THIS STRUCTURE SEEMS TO BE WHAT'S CREATING THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF DIFFICULTY TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAINS AND OUT OF THE, UM, WHICH ONE? THE WATERED AREAS, THE WETLANDS, THE WETLANDS AND ALL THESE THINGS.
WE PERHAPS AT THE POINT WHERE YOU MAY NEED TO CONSIDER A SMALLER STRUCTURE TO MEET ALL THESE CRITERIA AND KEEP YOURSELF KIND OF OUT OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE'RE DOING MORE HARM THAN WE'RE DOING GOOD FOR THE AREA.
SO, UM, AS WHAT WE ARE BASICALLY SEEING WITH OUR TENANT IS THEY HAVE THIS PARTICULAR SIZE STORE THAT THEY'RE OFFERING IN THEIR PROTOTYPES, AND THEN THEY HAVE A STORE THAT'S LARGER.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A PROTOTYPE TO SHRINK IT DOWN.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, NUMBER ONE, THE SIZE OF THE STORE IS, IT'S ALLOWED, IT'S PERMITTED, IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN A DEVELOPMENT COULD BE IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
I THINK IT GOES UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IT, IT MIGHT BE A LOT OF PERMANENT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THE THINGS, ALL THE OBSTACLES YOU'RE RUNNING INTO MM-HMM
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF OBSTACLES WE'RE RUNNING INTO.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE MITIGATED ALL OF THOSE.
I'M, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE OBSTACLES HERE.
I FEEL LIKE OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS HAVE PROVIDED A MITIGATION OR A RESPONSE, A SOLUTION TO EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING US BACK TO A STATUS QUO, AN EQUILIBRIUM ON THE SITE.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE CHARACTER CHARACTERISTICS OF IT, THE NET RESULT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I WAS TRYING TO, WITH REGARD TO A SMALLER STRUCTURE SIZE, UM, MARK, THE CAP DID FORWARD ME, I DON'T KNOW IF HIS EMAIL OR TEXT, I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT, BUT HE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL THAT'S PROPOSED ELSEWHERE IN WESTERN NEW YORK THAT IS LOOKING AT A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT MAY
SO UP, UP IN THAT DIRECTION IN THE NORTH TOWNS, IS THAT SLIGHTLY SMALLER PROTOTYPE AND OPTION THAT MAY ALLOW KIND OF A, A TRADE OFF THAT MAYBE IT'S A SLIGHTLY SMALLER STORE, BUT NOT DRAMATICALLY, BUT ALSO ALLOWED MINIMIZATION SOME OF THESE IMPACTS.
IS THAT PROTOTYPE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE? THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT PROTOTYPE IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
WE ARE DEVELOP, UH, AVAILABLE.
WE OFTEN HAVE SEVERAL YEAR LEAD TIMES ON THESE PROJECTS.
AND I BELIEVE I'M FAMILIAR SOMEWHAT, IT'S NOT MY PROJECT, BUT MY COLLEAGUE'S PROJECT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WHEELHOUSE FOR SOME TIME NOW.
AND SO IT'S BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN WITH A SMALLER SIZE STORE.
SO IN IT DID, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STANDPOINT OF A STORE BEING SUCCESSFUL, OUR TENANT DOES INTERNAL METRICS AND THEY KNOW WE NEED TO GENERATE THIS MANY CELLS FOR A STORE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND CELLS ARE ALL OFTEN ALSO DETERMINED BY HOW MUCH SALES FLOOR SPACE YOU HAVE.
SO ALL OF THESE METRICS GO INTO DETERMINING THE SITE.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A, IT'S A FEASIBLE, IT'S A FEASIBLE SIZE STORE.
WE'VE SHOWN THAT WITH OUR SITE LAYOUT.
UM, IT'S MEETING THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND WE'VE MITIGATED FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE QUESTION AND WHY WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE AN, UH, MAYBE AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'VE MET ALL THE, THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE MITIGATED THE CONCERNS THAT ARE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE STILL GONNA BE, THE ONE THING THAT'S SLIGHTLY CHALLENGING IS, IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A JURISDICTION DETERMINATION FROM OUR COURT UNTIL SPRING.
THAT WILL WEIGH INTO THE SECRET DECISION.
AND THEN I GUESS PREDICATED ON THAT, IF WE PROCEED WITH THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AREA OF WETLAND IMPACTS? UM, WHAT THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT IS, LIKE 0.09.
SO I GUESS MY, THE QUESTION THAT I GUESS WOULD COME INTO THAT IS, IS IF YOU GET OVER 0.1, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY ADJUST YOUR BOUNDARIES, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A CONCERN, RIGHT.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD REQUIRE MITIGATION AND HOW THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE IN THE A FEE
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AND LOSE ZONE.I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THE ARE.
AND THEY WOULD, I MEAN, IF, IF IT SEEMED TO BE JURISDICTIONAL, THEN THERE WOULD BE A MITIGATION AND THAT COULD BE THROUGH, UM, LIKE WETLAND CREDITS FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU WOULD, AND THEN, THEN MAYBE STOCKS UNLIMITED THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, UM, CREDIT THE BANK IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN THE TOTAL CON, UH, TOTAL I GUESS CONVERSION OR, OR IMPACTED LANDS WITHIN THE CURRENT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD AREA BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY.
WHAT'S THE, THE CHANGE THERE? HOW MANY, HOW MUCH LAND ARE YOU AFFECTING
AND THE STORM WATER CHANGES IS ADDRESSED THROUGH THE ON ONSITE STORM WATER.
SARAH, ERIN, AND SARAH TARA? YES, MA'AM.
WHY IS THE SIDEWALK ONLY ON A SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY? UM, WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO LET'S PULL THE CAT RIGHT HERE.
UM, WE HAVE JUST A TINY LITTLE, UM, LIKE LANDING PAD RIGHT HERE MM-HMM
FROM THIS, THE, UM, CROSSWALK THAT COMES ACROSS THE STREET.
AND SO WE WANTED TO, UM, PROVIDE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONCERN OF THE TOWN BOARD, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE PROVIDED THAT TO OUR PARTICULAR STORE.
NOW, UM, I KIND OF WANTED THE SAME THING.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, COULD, SHOULD WE GO IT UP THIS WAY? BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU'RE GOING TO THE BROOK, FOSTER BROOK AND THERE'S NO PATHWAY TO GET ACROSS IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SIDEWALK TO KNOW WHERE AMAZON, BUT IF WE DON'T BUILD IT, IT WILL GO NOWHERE.
WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE AMAZON SIDE IS.
SO WHAT ABOUT ON, AND WHAT ABOUT ON BIGTREE? HOLD ON, ON, ON BIG TREE.
SO YOU, IT GETS TO HER ACROSS TO THE NEW LOT THAT YOU WANNA DEVELOP.
YOU WOULD WANNA SEE IT COME ACROSS YEP.
WELL, FOR WHAT WE'D GET BE GETTING INTO SOME WETLAND AND THE RIGHT, WE COULD TALK WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT I GUESS.
BUT WE DO HAVE THIS WETLAND AREA THAT, THAT LEAST, BUT IF THAT LOT NEXT DOOR IS DEVELOPED, IF THAT LOT NEXT DOOR, YOU WANT A SIDEWALK THAT ATTACHED TO IT.
IF THAT'S DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN MM-HMM
THERE NEEDS TO BE SIDEWALKS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, I, I, I MEAN I GUESS IF THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, BUT THE, THE CONSIDERATION, THERE'S HOW ONE WOULD DO THAT.
CAN YOU DO THAT SINCE THAT'S GONNA CROSS RIGHT THROUGH THE WETLAND? YEAH.
LIKE, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE WALKABILITY IN SIDEWALKS AND MAKE IT A PEDESTRIAN AREA, THEN WE NEED, AND IT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK WITH THE RIGHT AND ON AND ON ONE HAND, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT'S DEVELOPABLE AND THERE'S COULD BE A FUTURE COMMERCIAL PROJECT IN THERE, THEN THE OTHER HAND WE SAY WE CAN'T PUT SIDEWALKS THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD CROSS WETLANDS.
AND IS IT REALLY DEVELOPABLE? RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE FOR US TO FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS AND SO, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE OKAY THAT'S Y'ALL'S JOB IS TO THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT A PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOLUTIONS AND, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT A NECESSARILY A, A DEAL KILLER.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE COULD EVEN BRING THE SIDEWALK CLOSER TO THE, THE RAILING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S A PATH WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH HERE.
UM, I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA PLAN ON SUBDIVIDING AND PUT A COMMERCIAL PIECE PARCEL NEXT TO IT, THEY NEED TO HAVE A SIDEWALK.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE PUSHING PEDESTRIANS INTO THE STREET.
OUT OF A MIRROR, NOT WANTING TO PUT, LIKE, WE NEED TO BE MORE CREATIVE.
WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO PUT A SIDEWALK AND IF THAT IS GONNA BE A VIABLE COMMERCIAL PIECE PROPERTY, TARA? YES.
IF YOU, IF AND WHEN YOU DO DEVELOP THAT OTHER SIDE MM-HMM
DO YOU ENVISION THAT IT WOULD BE A SHARED ACCESS WHERE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER CURB CUT? MM-HMM
I'M THINKING IF YOU
IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY GO THROUGH THE WETLANDS AT THAT POINT.
YOU KNOW, SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
AND I GUESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
YOU PUT A SIDEWALK THAT'S WORSE THAN SWITCHING IT SIDEWAYS TOO PROPERTY AND THEN YOU HAVE A, A NEW USER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BREAK THAT UP CURB.
I THINK THE ONLY, THE WHAT, BECAUSE WE ARE, I MEAN THE BROADWAY GROUP IS GOING TO BE OWN OWNING THIS LOT AND WE KNOW CONDITIONS CAN CHANGE WITH WETLANDS OVER TIME.
UM, IF IT, IF THE PLANNING BOARD WANTED US TO, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN ACROSS ACCESS AT CONSTRUCTION.
BUT IF WE HAD AN AGREEMENT TO SAY IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THIS SECOND PROJECT, NOW WHETHER THE SECOND PROJECT USED IT OR EVEN IF THE TRAINING BOARD EVEN WANTED IT AT THAT POINT.
BUT IT CAN MAKE IT AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE IF THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, I JUST, IF YOU'RE MADE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND THEN YOU HAVE A USER CURB CUT, KIND OF WASTED MONEY, PUT SIDEWALK IN.
AND I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D, I WOULD RATHER SEE A SIDEWALK AND I SEE THAT AS MORE POTENTIALLY USED MM-HMM
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GIVEN THE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAN INTERCONNECTING LIKE A, LIKE THE OTHER DOLLAR GENERAL, JUST BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS WITH THE WETLANDS RIGHT THERE MM-HMMWHICH, WHICH, WHICH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, IF WE'RE GONNA INTERCONNECT THEM, I THINK THAT PUTS US BACK TO THE, THE NEW LAYOUT.
BECAUSE FUNCTIONALLY YOU'D BE DOING THAT ANYWAY AND IT WOULD BE EASIER TO INTERCONNECT.
YEAH, WE WOULD, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THERE WOULD BE THIS LOT HAS NO, THE SECOND LOT HAS NO PLANS RIGHT NOW AND TO BE DEVELOPED AND IN THE FUTURE, IF THIS WETLAND AREA CHANGED, BECAUSE IT NATURALLY CHANGES, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO GET A WETLAND DELINEATION EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO IS BECAUSE THEY DO NATURALLY CHANGE OVER TIME.
SO THE ONLY THING IS, IS IF, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, I THINK IF YOU WANTED A CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT, NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO LAY PAVEMENT, BUT IF YOU WANTED ONE NOW SO THAT YOU KNEW THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.
AND WE'D PROBABLY WANT AN AGREEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D ACTUALLY WANT CROSS ACCESS IN THAT SITE.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT A SIDEWALK THAT GOES INTO THE SUB, THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LINE AND NEW MEAN.
IF YOU'RE SET ON THE SUBDIVISION, THEN WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO OKAY.
MAKE THAT SUBDIVISION, I'M SORRY.
SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH WHEN IT COMES IN FRONT OF US.
THEN I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU WANTED THE SIDEWALK TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO THE OTHER END OF THE UNDEVELOPED PIECE? NO, JUST TO THE JUST OH, THEN NEVERMIND WHAT I JUST SAID.
I MEAN IT'S, IF THE BROADWAY GROUP WANTED TO, FOR REASONS OF MARKETABILITY AT THIS TIME TO PURSUE A SIDEWALK, WE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO YOU DESIGNING THE SIDEWALK.
AND, AND I THINK THEY COULD AFFORD IT IF THEY HAD TO BREAK UP A SIDEWALK TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S AN IDEAL CHUNK BASED ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ON THE SITE ABOUT WHERE YOU'D WANNA PUT THE DRIVEWAY AND IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THIS DEPENDING ON THE WETLANDS.
SARAH, ARE THERE ANY SIDEWALKS, UM, AFTER THIS PROJECT GOING DOWN LAKE SHORE ROAD? UM, LAKE SHORE ROAD GOING A ACROSS FOSTER BROOK? YES.
OH, THERE, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
THERE'S LIKE A TRACTOR TRAILER TRAINING THING AND IN THE BIG AMAZON MANUFACTURING SITE.
SO IT'S REALLY IS NOT, UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT DEVELOPED WAY.
NO, BUT I'M JUST, I'M THINKING BECAUSE THE LAST TIME SHE WAS IN FRONT OF US, SHE BROUGHT UP THE BREWERY THAT THAT WAS NEARBY.
WELL, THAT GOES ACROSS, THAT GOES THIS WAY SOMEWHERE THAT'S OVER THERE.
SO YOU WOULD GO ACROSS BIG TREE, I THINK THERE WHERE THE LIGHT IS, YOU WOULD GO ACROSS BIG TREE.
HOW IS IT TO AMAZON? I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC OR LONG TERM, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT AREA THINK EXPERIENCING A BIT OF A RENAISSANCE BUILDING, IS IT CLOSE ENOUGH THAT YOU THINK AN AMAZON WORKER WOULD WALK TO DOLLAR GENERALLY GET SNACK? IT'S THAT YEAH, IT'S THAT CLOSE.
THAT MAYBE WANT SIDEWALK IN THAT DIRECTION.
I WOULD SAY THEY'RE THAT CLOSE.
BUT THERE'S NO ACCESS TO LAKE SHORE FROM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE FEDEX.
YOU HAVE FEDEX THERE FOR THEM.
WELL, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE AMAZON, AMAZON, FEDEX AND THE ROGER WAY TO WALK.
I MEAN, WAS AMAZON REQUIRED TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS ON THEIR, AMAZON DIDN'T COME IN FRONT OF US.
SO I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK, THEN THAT WENT THROUGH AN, THAT WENT THROUGH THE IDEA.
WE WOULD'VE HAD TO PUT IT IN A SIDEWALK.
I'M JUST SAYING THEY, IF IF THE COP WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU ENVISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT, NOT TO SAY IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST THAT YOU STILL WOULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL CONNECT.
I THINK THE SIDEWALK IS JUST COMING UP BECAUSE WHEN YOU FIRST CAME IN FRONT OF US, YOU BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THERE IS MORE WALKABILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ATHLETIC AREA ACROSS THE STREET AND WE HAVE THE BREWERY NEARBY AND IS IN THE SCHOOL AND THERE'S THE SCHOOL THERE, THERE IS A LOT MORE FOOT TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
THERE IS A LOT MORE CASUAL WALK BY, GRAB SOMETHING TRAFFIC.
WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE ARE CREATING AN AREA THAT IS GOING TO HAVE INCREASED FOOT TRAFFIC.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU, YOU COULD WALK TO THE BREWERY FROM YES.
I JUST FEEL LIKE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T ISN'T CROSSING HERE GOING THAT DIRECTION.
THERE'S NO REASON TO GO THAT DIRECTION IF IT'S JUST THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN THIS, I GUESS THIS ROUTE.
WELL THE INTERESTING THING IS, IS YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER OFF WALKING FROM AMAZON IF YOU WANTED TO GET, WAIT, IF YOU HAD TO DRIVE, YOU'VE GOTTA GO LIKE SEVEN MILES.
YOU GOTTA GO ALL THE WAY UP AND AROUND OR CAN'T WOULD'VE GAVE YOU AND AROUND, BUT YOU COULDN'T.
IT'S, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE.
IT'S NOT, AMAZON'S NOT THE NEXT ONE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE THIS PROPERTY, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BROOK THAT RUNS THROUGH, THEN YOU'VE GOT BUFFALO TRACTOR TRAILER.
SO IT'S, SO, IT'S SO IT'S FARTHER.
SO THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE THIS LIKE WHOLE LOT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DECIDE NOW, BUT I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME IN FRONT OF US IN THE PAST TWO YEARS WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE A SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE PROJECT
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COMES IN, ANOTHER PROJECT COMES IN A YEAR LATER AND SAYS, BUT THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS CONNECTING.SO WHY DO I HAVE TO BUILD THEM? AND THEN WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS REALLY COMPLEX SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WE'RE GOING BACK LATER SAYING, BOY, I WISH THERE WERE SIDEWALKS.
AND, BUT I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER THAT TO, TO NEED THEM TO GO INTERCONNECT TO THE OTHER PARCEL UNDER BROADWAY GROUP CONTROL IF A SUBDIVISION APPROVED MM-HMM
WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE FOR TODAY ON THIS PROJECT? SHE'S GOT, HOPEFULLY SHE'LL GET THE CAB UH, COMMENTS.
FROM, BASED OFF OF OUR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE DETERMINED UPON WHICH WAY THIS BUILDING IS ORIENTED.
I KNOW THERE'S GONNA PROBABLY BE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THAT, SO CAN I PROCEED WITH THIS LAYOUT? HAVE I GIVEN YOU ENOUGH ASSURANCE THAT THIS WOULD LIMIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WE COULD GO WITH OUR INITIAL LAYOUT? WELL HAVE YOU GIVEN US INSURANCES THAT THAT LAYOUT IS LESS IMPACTFUL THAN THE OTHER ONE? I, I THINK, ARE WE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON THE SITE PLAN OR ARE WE WORKING ON THE SUBDIVISION? BOTH.
SO PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL YET.
SO THEN HOW CAN WE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW? JUST ON THE SITE THEN HOW CAN WE, I GUESS, DETERMINE THE SITE PLAN IF WE DON'T KNOW THE SUBDIVISION STATUS? WELL, BY THE TIME YOU GET MORE INTO THIS REVIEW, THERE WILL BE A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
AND I MEAN, IT'S GONNA LOOK JUST LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU'LL, SO I'M GONNA TAKE WHAT YOU SAID AND I MAY SEND SARAH A REQUEST TO SEND YOU JUST FOR SOME SPECIFIC NUMBERS AND OR IF I CAN HAVE YOUR ORANGE AND BLUE DRY AND OR PUT IT IN THE FILE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD, SORRY, JUST 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE ORANGE AND BLUE DRY, IF YOU COULD DO THE ORANGE AND BLUE FOR THE OTHER LAYOUT THAT SHOWS HOW THERE'S MORE BLUE AND LESS ORANGE IN THE OTHER LAYOUT, THAT WOULD ALSO BE A LITTLE BIT HELPFUL TO START JUST TO, TO ILLUSTRATE IT.
BUT I, I THINK, I THINK I, I, I, FOR, FOR ME, I, I THINK I, I SEE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING AND I UNDERSTAND AND I, I THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LESS IMPACT.
SO, SO I'M GOING TO, BECAUSE I'M ALREADY GONNA NUDGE MARK ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLAR COMMENTS.
I DUNNO IF YOU HEARD WHEN WE SAID BEFORE THEIR MEETING, THE THURSDAY AFTER CHRISTMAS IS THEIR DECEMBER MEETING.
SO I WILL NUDGE HIM AND ASK THAT HE PROVIDE SOME SORT OF WRITTEN INPUT MM-HMM.
THAT MEETING THAT WE COULD GET TO YOU.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK FOR NOW, YOU ANSWERED THE INITIAL QUESTION AND THAT HELPS US FOR THE FILE TO DOCUMENT THAT MM-HMM.
AND THAT AT THIS TIME HAS LESS.
SO THE SIDEWALK, WE HAVE AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE LANDSCAPING, I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE ONE NOW THAT WE KIND OF, WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SETTLED A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURELY.
I DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME NATIVE GRASSES.
CONFERENCE FOR NATIVE SPECIES.
AND THEN WHAT'S ON THE TREE LIST.
AND THEN, AND THE, AND ONCE WE GET THAT, IF WE CAN SEND THAT TO, IF YOU SEND IT TO MARK, I'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT DY SEND WHAT TO MARK THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH SHE SENDS THE UPDATED ONE.
WELL, WHEN SHE GETS IT, WE'LL GET THAT AND I'LL MAKE SURE I GET THAT OVER TO DY IF YOU REMIND ME WHAT COMES IN.
BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO REVIEWS THE LANDSCAPING PLANS IN DETAIL.
WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED BEFORE THIS COMES BACK ON THE FIFTH? DO YOU WANNA COME BACK ON THE FIFTH OR DO YOU WANNA COME BACK ON THE, THE 19TH, 17TH.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO AIM TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL ON THE FIFTH NOW.
SO, AND WE HAVE A DEADLINE OF FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING THOUGH, DO YOU THINK THAT I'LL HAVE THIS, THE CABS IF THEIR MEETING IS
SO THAT'S OUR PART OF THE FEA HAVE TO FILL IN.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY FINISHED COORDINATED REVIEW, BUT SHE DOES TRAVEL PRETTY FAR.
WELL, SO IF, WELL YEAH, BUT IF THE S ALREADY MET, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET COPIES.
I'M GONNA PUSH ON MARGARET AS HARD AS WE DON'T.
I I THINK WE SHOULD GET, I MEAN, YOU, I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA HAVE MUCH MORE.
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TO WANT THE ANALYSIS OF THE TWO DIRECTIONS, HE AND THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE CAB THAT WERE THERE.BUT I WILL PUSH ON TOM BECAUSE I DID SEE MINUTES COME OUT IN THAT MEETING.
I FORWARD WHAT I GOT YOU, DID YOU GET COPIES OF THOSE MINUTES? I DID NOT RECEIPT YOU.
SARAH CAN GET THOSE TO YOU AND, BUT THERE, HE DID WRITE UP THE MINUTES IN THAT MEETING SO WE CAN FORWARD THOSE TO YOU.
WE'LL SEE IF HE HAS ANY MORE DETAILED COMMENTS.
BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE.
WILL IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THING THEY ASKED FOR WAS LOOKING AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE LAYOUT.
THEY'LL HAVE COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING PLAN PART TWO.
I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE PERSON LET'S, LET'S DO THE 19TH.
LET'S DO THE 19TH BECAUSE I NOT BE HERE ON THE 19TH.
BUT WE ALSO, A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T BE HERE ON THE FIFTH.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO TO THREE NEW MEMBERS TO DO AN EAF.
LIKE YOU'RE NOT IN A GOOD POSITION.
I WOULD RATHER IF WE STARTED PART TWO ON THE FIFTH, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
BUT IF WE COULD WALK TO, TO PART TWO AND THEN DECIDE IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GONNA, AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA VOTE ON OUR COULD BE, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON NO, I DON'T.
WE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON IT, BUT GO.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF GOING THROUGH PART TWO SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION FROM TARA AFTER WE WALK THROUGH YOUR WHOLE FORM TOGETHER SO THAT SHE HAS TIME TO PROVIDE IT.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY ARGUMENT.
IF, IF TARA'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I I DON'T THINK SHE WILL BE, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE GOING THROUGH WITHOUT HER, BUT LIKE, OR IF HER LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE WANTED TO COME, BUT LIKE, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH PART TWO, MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING.
THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE WE'RE BUMPING HER OUT ANOTHER, I MEAN IT'S UP TO YOU.
I, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD, SO THEN THAT WOULD BUMP IT OUT EVEN.
I MEAN SARAH AND DREW ARE GOING THROUGH A PART TWO.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DOLLAR GENERAL TO JANUARY 19TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 98 TOWNHOMES ON VACANT LAND BETWEEN BRIARCLIFF DRIVE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
CAN I JUST QUICKLY TELL YOU WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET? YEAH, YEAH.
LOTS OF STUFF IN PACKET COPIES OF THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT I GOT FROM THE COORDINATE REVIEW
WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM ATTORNEY HOFFMAN, UH, SHOWING YOU WHAT THEY SENT TO THE IN PROJECT.
THE THIRD THING IS, IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I TALKED WITH TIM LOWER ABOUT TODAY.
IT'S JUST A GUIDE FOR, UH, THE SUB OUR SOCIAL REGULATIONS FOR TOWNHOUSE AS FAR AS SETBACKS GO.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE RULES HAVE JURISDICTION OVER SETBACKS.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS SOME OF THE, ESPECIALLY THE STREET NAMES ARE REALLY SMALL.
WHERE, WHERE ON THIS MAP YOU CAN'T READ THEM.
SO, SO WHERE ON THIS MAP THAT YOU GAVE US, SARAH? YES.
THE SITE IS THE SITE, THE DRIVEWAY ALL AND THEN A COUPLE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHICH OF THESE LOTS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE LOTS THAT INCLUDE, ARE INCLUDED IN IT.
PART THAT JUST FUTURE MULTI MULTIFAMILY.
BUT LIKE THEY HAVE A ROAD COMING OFF OF, COMING OFF OF BAR CLIFF DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SHOW OURS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME CAKE, YOU CAN HAVE CAKE.
CAN I SEE THAT CALIN REAL QUICK? YEAH.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THOSE LOTS ARE DIVIDED UP DIFFERENTLY TOO THAN YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S LITERALLY, SO ONE OF THE, WE GOT A LOT OF LETTERS LAST TIME THIS WAS HERE, WHICH WAS LIKE BACK IN APRIL, RIGHT? MARCH.
SO WE GOT A LOT OF LETTERS IN APRIL AFTER IT WAS HERE IN MARCH.
AND ONE OF THEM WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION OF GREEN SPACE FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANS.
I I'M THINKING WHAT THAT MUST HAVE MEANT
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WAS THERE WAS SENIOR HOUSING PROPOSED HERE AT ONE POINT, RIGHT? ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO THERE WAS SENIOR HOUSING.AND IT WAS, IT WAS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
AND THAT ONE I I, I WASN'T ON THE PLANNING BOARD THEN.
UM, BUT THE, LIKE THE RUMOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT ONE GOT SHOT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACKS.
IS THAT WHERE SARAH, SARAH? NO, SARAH SAID, SARAH TOLD ME WHEN I ASKED HER THERE WAS A FUNDING ISSUE, RIGHT? THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PROJECT.
IT WAS PROPOSED, DUNNO A DECADE AGO, 2009.
THE QUESTIONS GOING, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? WHY DID IT GO AWAY? THEY LOST, THEY LOST THEIR FUNDING.
SO IT DIDN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE RAILROAD TRACK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
IT PROBABLY WASN'T BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR LETTERS HAD MENTIONED HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND I WAS OH YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT THAT PROJECT WAS, WAS UH, DIDN'T GO FORWARD BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND I THOUGHT THAT'S, THAT WAS AN INTERESTING FINDING.
THAT'S HOW THOSE PROJECTS WORK.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING FINDING BY A PLANNING BOARD.
I WAS WONDERING HOW THEY GOT THERE, BUT IF THEY NEVER GOT THERE, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK UPDATE OF I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT? SURE.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT DATA DEVELOPMENT ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD AND BRIAN BURKE.
SO AS WE INDICATED WE WERE HERE ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS DURING YOUR MEETING ON MARCH 3RD.
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE DID HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING WITH NEIGHBORS ON APRIL 27TH.
UM, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 42 PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED US WITH THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION AND WE'VE PROVIDED THEM WITH A PROJECT UPDATE APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS AGO.
ON NOVEMBER 3RD, WE DID SUBMIT PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
A LEAD AGENCY LETTER WENT OUT ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD ON NOVEMBER 6TH, PROVIDING INVOLVING INTERESTED AGENCIES WITH 30 DAYS TO COMMENT.
THE RESPONSES THAT I'M AWARE OF SO FAR IS WE GOT A TYPICAL RESPONSE LETTER FROM DAVID DENK OF THE DEC CONCURRING.
THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY, UM, INDICATING THAT WE NEED A SPEEDIES PERMIT, WHICH OF COURSE WE KNOW NOW WE'LL NEED TO SUBMIT A DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH OF COURSE WE KNOW 'CAUSE WE'LL BE GENERATING MORE THAN 2,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER PER DAY.
AND THEN FINALLY THAT THIS ISN'T AN ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE AREA.
WE HAVE RETAINED THE SERVICES OF BONNIE LOCKLEY.
SO SHE'LL BE DOING AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION, WHICH WILL THEN SUBSEQUENTLY BE SUBMITTED TO SHIPPO.
SECONDLY, WE DID RECEIVE A LEAD AGENCY CONCURRENCE LETTER OR SARAH DID FROM GARRETT HACKER OF THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THAT LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 23RD ASKED FOR THE SUBMISSION OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY INDEPENDENTLY THAT HAD ALREADY BEGAN.
AND WE DID SUBMIT COPIES OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY OR THIS WEEK, THE SAME DATE THAT IT WAS FINALIZED BY DAVID CRUZ AT SRF ASSOCIATES.
WE GOT A LETTER BACK FROM SARAH GOTTI OF THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING DATED NOVEMBER 23RD.
THAT WAS ISSUED FOR TWO PURPOSES.
NUMBER ONE, CONCUR THAT THEY AGREE THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE RE AGENCY AND ALSO PURSUANT TO GENERAL MUNICIPAL SECTION 2 39 M UH, THAT LETTER ACTUALLY HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE FAVORABLE TO THE SITE BEING DEVELOPED, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T A DEVELOPED AREA PER THE FRAMEWORK FOR REGIONAL GROWTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE COUNTY'S OVERALL PLANNING DOCUMENT.
ATTACHED TO THAT ALSO WAS AN EMAIL FROM JOE MCNAMARA AND ERIE COUNTY DIVISION AS TO A MANAGEMENT DATED NOVEMBER 10TH.
NUMBER ONE, WE ARE LOCATED IN ERIE COUNTY STANDARD SEWER DISTRICT NUMBER THREE.
AND SECONDLY THAT WE DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH I AND I REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT REQUIREMENT ACROSS THAT THRESHOLD.
I INDICATED ON DECEMBER 6TH WE DID PROVIDE A PROJECT UPDATE LETTER TO THOSE 42 OR SO RESIDENTS THAT PROVIDED THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
I REFERENCED THE FACT WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
CHRIS AND I ALSO WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE CLAIM BOARD, HOW ON MARCH 3RD WE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES TO THE PLANS THAT WERE JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED YESTERDAY.
SO I KNOW YOU DIDN'T GET 'EM IN ADVANCE TO THE MEETING.
I BELIEVE SARAH JUST HANDED OUT COPIES.
SO THE CHANGES WE MADE WERE AS FOLLOWED.
WE'VE ADDED 36 VISITOR PARKING SPACES.
THAT WAS A COMMENT WE RECEIVED.
SO WE'RE NOW SHOWING A TOTAL OF 232 PARKING SPACES FOR THE 98 UNITS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE UNITS EACH DO INCLUDE AN IMPACT GARAGE.
EACH BUILDING IS A TWO STORY FOUR UNIT BUILDING.
WE'RE ENVISIONING THESE TO BE TOWN HOME UNITS FOR SALE AS OPPOSED TO FOR RENT.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED FIRM AND LANDSCAPING ALONG WITH TWO DRIVEWAYS UNDER BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE, ADDED SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THE CLOVER BANK ROAD FRONTAGE.
AND THEN CHRIS HAS ALSO ENHANCED THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OF COURSE WE WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN IN CONNECTION WITH THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS TO OCCURRED THERE BY CHRISTMAS STAFF.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
I THINK THE 30 DAY LEAD AGENCY PERIOD HAS EXPIRED.
I THINK THAT EXPIRED ON DECEMBER 6TH.
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YOU ARE IN A POSITION NOW TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.I ALSO WANNA REITERATE, THIS IS SUBJECT TO A VERY LENGTHY PROJECT SITE HISTORY.
UH, SARAH WAS ABLE TO FIND THE FINDING STATEMENT AND THE PLAN FROM 1990, SOME OTHER SECRET DOCUMENTATION FROM THE TIME PERIOD OF 1988 TO 1990.
AND IT DOES CLEARLY SHOW THAT MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN ENVISIONED THIS SITE FOR THE PAST THREE DECADES.
WE'RE FULFILLING THAT OBJECTIVE.
AND WE THINK ONE OF THE BETTER THINGS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THESE ARE FOUR SALE UNITS VERSUS FOUR LEASE UNITS.
OUR NEXT STEP OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE TO SUBMIT FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, AN ENGINEERS REPORT, A SWIP, ALL THAT EXTENSIVE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION.
SO IF THE GROUP WOULD PROJECT FORWARD, BUT BEFORE CHRIS GOES AHEAD AND DOES THAT AND TAKES THE TIME AND SPENDS THE MONEY TO DO THAT, WANNA COME BACK, PRESENT THE LAYOUT TO YOU ONE MORE TIME AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT.
YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK OR THINK ABOUT THE SETBACKS TOO.
UM, NOT SO MUCH FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT THE REST OF IT.
MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THERE'S, HOW CLOSE ARE THE SETBACKS NOW TO THE PROPERTY LINES? THE CLOSEST? YES.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE 15 AT THIS CORNER OF THAT BUILDING THERE.
UM, THIS BUILDING HERE, THE CLOSEST THAT IS IS 30 AND THEN 43 35.
AND THEN THIS IS, UH, 15TH THE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING'S 1515 UNIT.
SO IN THE ORIGINAL HUD THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, THE ENTRY AND EXIT FOR THIS WAS OVER ON CLOVER BANK ROAD.
IT WASN'T THROUGH THE MAIN PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND I NOTICED THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE MAIN PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS THIS PART OF CULVER BANK, I BELIEVE IS PART OF THAT THAT HAS THE FILE ON YES.
WHERE THE RAILROAD CROSSING IS THE SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANNA EXIT ON CULVER BANK IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION.
AND I DID ASK SR ASSOCIATES AND THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE TERRIBLE LOCATION.
I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS 2009 TOO AND THEY DID NOT WANNA ACCESS TO COVID, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CROSSING GATE AND THEY GOT THE ON SO YOU CAN'T GO AROUND THEM.
WOULDN'T, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE CHANGE ALSO, THE ORIGINAL PUD ONLY HAS 14 STRUCTURES LISTED.
WELL, THE NUMBER DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
DOESN'T, THAT WAS JUST A, IT'S A CONCEPT SKETCH WASN'T THE CONCEPT IN SKETCHING HAS THEM FURTHER SPREAD APART AND NOT GOING AS FAR INTO THAT PROPERTY AS WHAT YOU HAVE.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS, THIS SKETCHING HAS A MORE DENSELY PACKED AND HAS IT MAXIMIZING ALL OF THIS SPACE BEHIND AND USING PRETTY MUCH EVERY SQUARE FOOT.
WHEREAS THE HUD SKETCHINGS DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT ON UNFORTUNATELY.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S OVERALL FINDINGS STATEMENT.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT WERE THE CONCLUSIONS, IF THERE'S MAXIMUM STORM WATER MAXIMUM IMPACT AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED OVERALL FOR THE WHOLE PUD AS OPPOSED TO THIS? I MEAN, BUT KEEP IN MIND A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE BECOME WAY MORE STRINGENT.
MEANING IF WE LOOK BACK AT THAT THEN THE STORE WATER PHARMAC WERE BEEN PRETTY LENIENT.
BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, IF WE EXCEED SOMETHING'S IN THE PUD, THAT WE EITHER HAVE AN ADDENDUM OR SUPPLEMENTAL FINDINGS THAT WE'VE EVALUATED OR SURE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T, IT JUST NEEDS TO, IF IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER ON YOUR BEHALF WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DOCUMENTED.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT OVERALL 1990 PLAN MIND, THAT IS LITERALLY MEANT TO BE CONCEPTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE OVERALL SITE.
IT'S NOT A LITERAL REPRESENTATION OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT BUILDING TYPE, WHAT DENSITY GOES ON ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERIC ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
I MEAN, I'M, THIS IS THIS AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SENIOR AND THE MM-HMM.
THE MIX, OUR REASONS, I, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THE POD, ESPECIALLY IF THINGS ARE NOT PHASED AND THEN IT'S ALL IN THERE.
AND PART OF THAT IS, IS BECAUSE OF THIS, IS THAT YEAH, WE'VE REZONED SOMETHING AND THEN THINGS ARE CHANGING AND IT'S THE REZONING AND, AND IT'S SO DISTANT THAT IF PRODUCTS, PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE SEGMENTED, I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM AS DISCREET EVEN IF THEY'RE STILL A POD, A DISCRETE POD FOR THAT COMPO SELF-CONTAINED COMPONENT.
SO SOMETHING'S NOT BUILT THAT 20 YEARS LATER FROM NOW SOMEBODY ELSE IS AS GRUMPY AS I AM AND IS SAYING WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS POD? WHY ARE WE REVISING A POD? AND IT IT IS JUST THAT I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THAT ZONE.
THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY DID LIKE THIS THOUGH, RIGHT? I DON I DON'T KNOW.
WE CAN SOUTH SHARE A CUT SOUTH A GOLF A A GOLF COURSE.
JUST SO I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, WHAT
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WOULD BE THE REASONING YOU WOULD EVER HAVE A POD VERSUS JUST REGULAR, THERE'S LOTS OF PODS.THIS IS THE ONLY POD LIKE THIS, RIGHT? LIKE THIS POD IS KIND OF COMING UP AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY TWEAKING AND REDOING AND BEING ASKED TO AS LONG WAS BRAND NEW WHEN THEY DID THIS.
SO THEY KIND OF WANTED TO JUST, AND IT'S ALSO JUST REALLY BASED ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE REZONING.
IF SOMEONE REQUESTED A P AND IT MADE SENSE AND IT WAS REZONED, I MEAN IT, THERE COULDN'T, THERE MIGHT NOT BE A WHOLE LOT OF LOGIC BEHIND IT THAT YOU MAKE THAT FEW OF THESE FOR DIFFERENT USES ON THE SAME, IT'S TRYING TO CREATE A MIXED COMMUNITY.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAD PREVIOUSLY RIGHT.
WORKED ON THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT SOMEONE SHOULD BRING BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD TO TALK ABOUT ANY, THE ZONING CODE SHOULD DO THAT.
I'M JUST GONNA SEND YOU A LIST, BUT I THINK, I DON'T DOUBT YOU'LL SEND ME A LIST.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS ABOUT THE CUT IS KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A VERY LARGE SITE.
I THINK EVERYONE KNEW BACK THEN IT WAS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AND IT WAS GONNA EVOLVE THE MARKET CONDITIONS.
WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE CONTEMPLATED DD BE BACK HERE 31 YEARS LATER, PROBABLY NOT.
AND AND DESCRIPTION OF THE ACTION MM-HMM
IT, IT'S TWO SENTENCES FOR FOR SITE THAT AND, AND, AND WE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT THAT WAY.
WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE HAD TWO PAGES AT LEAST.
BUT UM, MEAN IT'S CLEARLY INTENDED TO BE MIXED USE OF SOME SORT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
I MEAN RESIDE, WELL RESIDENTIAL AND A GOLF COURSE.
AND AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO SEEKER OR NEW YORK LIKE RIGHT.
I WORKED ON NEPA PROJECTS YEARS AGO THAT HAD STUFF IN THE LATE EIGHTIES THAT YOU BUILT AN 1100 ACRE ISLAND AND THE EIS WAS THIS BIG AND NOW IT WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT.
WELL LIKE I SAID, AT LEAST 800.
BUT THE DESCRIPTION OF RIGHT IS SO SHORT.
HOW MANY MORE PARCELS OF THIS P DO WE HAVE COMING LIKE THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED THAT MAY COME IN FRONT OF US? BECAUSE IF THIS SAYS THAT THERE'S 800, AT LEAST 800, HOW MANY MORE OUTSTANDING PARCELS DO WE HAVE COMING? BECAUSE AT LEAST 800 RESIDENTIAL UNITS PARCELS THERE ARE BALLPARK.
LIKE I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE CORNER.
OH, HOW MANY HOUSES AND, EXCUSE ME, BRIAN, COME ON, BRIAN.
AND HOW MANY MORE OF THESE CAN WE LET BRIAN AND BRIAN IS THE ONE WHO'S THE, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FAMILY.
SO HE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE INC.
IS LEASING THE OTHER PERSON FROM? YES.
WANNA KNOW HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THERE.
THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE'VE BEEN, HE'S GONNA TELL ME HOW MANY PARCEL THINGS TO UH, DEVELOP IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR REALLY THE LAST TWO.
SO THERE'S NO MORE YOU'RE COMING AT US WITH AFTER THIS.
THERE'S NO MORE INCH PIECES OF THAT ARE PARCELS NOTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE AT ALL.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF SMALL LOTS.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF LITTLE SHAVINGS HERE.
HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE? THE WHOLE THING? IN THE WHOLE PUD? YEAH.
CHRIS AND I WERE LOOKING AT THAT BEFORE THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU HAVE HOW CLOSE IS 800 AND KEEP IN MIND IT SAYS 800 OR MORE.
I YEAH, I KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE.
IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA LOOK AT THE POD THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, 800 IS NOT A MAXIMUM.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A MAXIMUM.
BUT, BUT IF WE'RE AT 2,400 OR SOMETHING, NO, WE CAN TRY A BALLPARK.
IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
YEAH, WE, WE COMPARED THE AERIAL TODAY TO THE CONCEPT THERE AND IT'S ALMOST PRETTY CLOSE TO, SO THOSE AREAS THAT ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING DEVELOPED ON.
SO IS THIS OWNED OR LEASED HOUSING? THIS WILL BE, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE FOR SALE HOUSING, FIRST HOUSING AND THEN ARE MEANING BY EACH UNIT.
AND THEN DO EACH OF THE UNITS, THESE ARE THE LINES OF THE BUILDING.
WOULD EACH OF THE UNITS RETAIN ANY YARD SPACE OR IS EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE BUILDING MAINTAINED BY AN H-O-A-H-O-A-H-O-A.
SO NO ONE WOULD HAVE A, A YARD PER SE? NOT A PRIVATE PER SE YARD.
YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE, I MEAN I'M ASSUMING PEOPLE PUT CHAIRS OR YES, WHATEVER.
DO YOU THINK OF CONDO STATUS FOR MOST LIKELY THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT FORMAT DOESN'T ENVISION RIGHT NOW.
UM, SINCE, BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHO IT SURE.
SINCE THIS IS A PRIVATE DRIVE, IS IT GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE TO BUSING? BECAUSE I HAVE TO IMAGINE SCHOOL BUSES I WOULD SAY NO, THEY WON'T GO ON THE SIDE.
AND HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON GETTING FAMILIES TO AND FROM THE BUS? WE'D HAVE TO GET 'EM OUT TO BAR OF COURSE HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON ONE OF THESE DRIVEWAYS.
SO HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S FEASIBLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN FEASIBLE? LIKE IF YOU HAVE, WELL THEY HAVE TO PICK UP 98 UNITS IN THERE AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE 75 FAMILIES IN THERE.
IS IT REALLY FEASIBLE TO HAVE FIVE YEAR OLDS WALKING FROM THE FURTHEST BACK UNIT TO THE SIDEWALK? OKAY.
MINE, THE SITE'S DESIGNED SO IT COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL BUSES.
IT HAS TO ACCOMMODATE FIRETRUCK.
SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WON'T GO ON THE SITE, WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.
SO ARE THERE SIDEWALKS INSIDE THE BRIAR CLIFF DEVELOPMENT OR THERE SIDEWALKS AND BRI SKY? YES.
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SO WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO, IF THIS IS GONNA BE A COMMUNITY AREA TO MM-HMM.INCLUDE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD AT LEAST LOOK AT PROVIDING WITHIN PORTIONS.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY DRIVEWAYS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE PORTIONS OF SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS AND THEN GET A SIDEWALK OUT THE BRIAR GET, GET A SIDEWALK OUT.
BRIAR, CAN YOU PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SEE WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS? THEY WON'T BRING BUSES ON THE SITE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO, NO.
UM, CAN YOU REACH OUT TO THEM ENOUGH? IT'S SOMEONE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, I JUST DUNNO.
WELL, WHO'S THEIR TRANSPORTATION? DO WE KNOW? YEAH.
OKAY, WELL WE'LL TRY MAYBE BLESSING.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
I JUST THINK IT'S, I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.
SO IS THERE ANY, CAN YOU WELL BACK UP FOR THAT IS, WAS THERE AN UPDATED WETLAND DELINEATION? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU TOLD US FROM MARCH.
YOU ALREADY DIDN'T UPDATE DELINEATION.
THERE'S NO, IT'S ALL, ALL DISTURB.
AND THEN, AND THE SH JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE DEC LEAD AGENCY LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 23RD, AS YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IF THEY THINK THERE'S HYDRO SOILS OR POSSIBILITY OF WILDLANDS, THEY PUT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT
UM, IS THERE ANY PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO THESE TYPES OF DENSER DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
THERE'S SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY CENTER, COMMUNITY BUILDING, COMMUNITY PLAY AREA.
LIKE WHAT SORT OF OUTDOOR COMMUNITY? I MEAN WITH A MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY THERE'S A TRADE OFF OF SOME SORT OF GREEN COMMUNITY GARDEN PLAYGROUND PLAY AREA.
THERE'S USUALLY SOMETHING WHICH I REALIZED, I REALIZED THERE'S NOT A DENSITY REQUIREMENT HERE, REMINDED ME THAT THERE'S NOT A DENSITY LIMIT.
BUT THIS IS A LOT OF UNITS TERA IN A TYPE SPACE.
BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS NOT MAKE THAT A ATTRACTIVE, APPEALING COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE.
AND PART OF THAT IS HAVING SOME SORT OF, IF IT'S STARTER HOMES OR DOWN, I MEAN YOU COULD SIT KIND OF SEE ON EITHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, THE STARTER HOME FOR FAMILY.
MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME YOUNG KIDS HAVEN'T MOVED UP INTO A LARGER MORE, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF GREEN OR COMMUNITY OR SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DOING A PLAYGROUND OR SOME, SOME TYPE OF RECREATIONAL, RECREATIONAL SPACE.
UM, THE OTHER, WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT THOUGH.
THERE HAS TO KEEP, THERE HAS TO BE AN, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T LIKE, WHICH IS NOT BECOME SURPRISE TO EITHER OF YOU IS THERE'S A LOT OF BERMS AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FAILURES AND VEGETATION ON GROUNDS.
I I WOULD, I, I STILL TAKE THEM OFF TOMORROW, BUT I, AND I RECOGNIZE AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF SCREENING, BUT I AM NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT BURNS AND THERE'S A TON OF THEM IN THE DIE OFF RATE FOR VEGETATION ON THE BERMS. AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE A BERM.
SO YOU HAVE DRAINED ON BOTH SIDES, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND HALF OF IT'S THE BACKYARD.
SO I THINK A ROBUST LAND, I THINK YOU COULD ACHIEVE SOME GREAT LANDSCAPING.
I AGREE THAT WOULD PROVIDE SIMILAR LEVELS OF SCREENING.
I AGREE WITH FEROUS TREES AND SOME OTHER STUFF AS YOU WOULD WITHOUT THE BURNING.
WE, CHRIS AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHY I TOLD HIM A FOOT TO TWO FEET HIGH BECAUSE YOU GET WAY HIGH AND THEN THE, THE TREES DIE.
SO I, I MEAN, AND THAT DOESN'T, YOU PREFER I TAKE THEM OFF EVERYWHERE.
BUT THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
MORE WE OPTIMIZE VEGETATION SUCCESS AND PART OF THAT IS WHAT IF WE TOOK OFF THE, THE FIRST ROW OF BUILDINGS
AND I LIKE WHEN YOU MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE I
WELL, BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, WELL, WELL HONEST.
THEY'RE JAMMED UP ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
THE ORIGINAL, IT'S PRETTY DENSE.
THE ORIGINAL POD HAD A DRIVEWAY SEPARATING A SIGNIFICANT DRIVEWAY AND LIKE SACS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SEPARATING THESE, THESE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL LIKE THIS, THIS IS MORE DENSELY PASSED AND IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY LINES THAN WHAT'S SHOWN ON.
SO THAT PLAN ALSO DOESN'T SAY HOW HIGH THOSE BUILDINGS ARE.
ACTUALLY THESE SIX STORY BUILDINGS.
THESE ARE, KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE FOUR UNIT, TWO STORY BUILDINGS FOR SALE.
SO WHAT ARE THE TYPICAL SETBACKS FOR AN R THREE SALE? WELL, FROM, FOR MFRI TALKED TO TIM ABOUT THIS.
IF THIS, I DON'T, DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IF THESE WERE FOR RENT, THEY, THE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE 50 FEET OFF OF ALL PROPERTY LINES OUTSIDE OF PD, BUT RIGHT.
AND IF THEY'RE FOR SALE, EVEN IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE PD, THEY WOULD NOT, THESE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THERE ARE OCCUPIED.
DON'T, SO SO HOW FAR, WHAT THE SETBACK IS FOR OWNER OCCUPIED.
UM, THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU THE TOWNHOUSE, UH, REGULATIONS BECAUSE TOWNHOUSE 35 FEET BACK THE FRONT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER
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ON THE SIDE 10 FEET, I DUNNO WHY THEY DIFFERENTIATE THESE OWNER OCCUPIED AN APARTMENT.WELL, 'CAUSE IN THEORY, OWNER OCCUPIED SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE CLOSER, BUT YEAH.
BUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE OWNER OCCUPIED IS NOT MAINTAINING THE YARD, WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, YOUR HONOR.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, TIM SAID TO GO LOOK AT OUR, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH,
AND WE LOOKED AT THAT IS EXACTLY, WE LOOKED AT THOSE PLANS AND THOSE BUILDINGS LOOK JUST LIKE THAT.
SO NO REAR YARD, YOU'LL HAVE A DEPTH OF LESS THAN 20 FEET.
SO WE WOULD NEED, THOSE ARE NOT 20 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACKS ON THOSE TOWNHOUSES.
WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT BECAUSE THIS IS A PGE, RIGHT? WELL, RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS THE TOWNHOUSE USE THAT.
SO WE GOTTA LOOK AT LEAST DURING THE MINIMUM.
WELL, I THINK THE ONLY, THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT'S NOT 20 IS THE CORNER OF THE BUILT RIGHT THERE.
AND IF WE HAD TO MOVE THAT A LITTLE BIT, WE CAN WHAT DOES THE SIDE SAY? HOLD ON.
I DUNNO IF IT SAYS IN THIS ONE 10 FEET, 10 WE THAT EVERYWHERE.
SO AT THE END GROUP OF THAT'S 10 FEET.
OH, THAT'S THE END GROUP OF 35 SHOULD BE RIGHT BETWEEN THE END OF SUCH GROUP IN A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET.
WELL, THE OTHER THING TIM SAID IS IT'S, IT'S IN OUR TOWNHOUSE CODE.
IT SAYS 35 FEET SETBACK, FRONT YARD SETBACK.
BUT THAT'S ASSUMING A PUBLIC ROAD SAID IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO, HAS ALMOST ALWAYS ALLOWED THAT NUMBER TO BECOME SMALLER.
SO WHY IS THIS A PRIVATE ROAD AND NOT A PUBLIC ROAD? SO WE CAN JUST ASK.
WHY IS A PRIVATE ROAD ROAD NOT PUBLIC? THE TOWN DOESN'T, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS IT TO, I WOULD THINK THE TOWN DOESN'T WANT A PUBLIC ROAD.
WELL THEN YEAH, THEN YOU OWN IT.
WELL, SO THIS, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE US RECENTLY.
WHERE IMMEDIATELY IT WAS PUSHED FOR MAKING IT A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND OF COURSE THE TOWN WILL WANNA TAKE IT.
AND NOW IN THIS CASE, WE'RE HEARING THE OPPOSITE.
AND I DON'T, BUT I DON'T WELL, THAT'S A SUBDIVISION.
AT LEAST THERE WERE CASH TOWN HOMES.
IF THIS WAS A SUBDIVISION, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL WIDTH OF A PUBLIC ROAD? WELL, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, I'M WITH YOU.
WHAT IS THAT? 60? 60 PER SIX FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO THIS IS CONSIDERABLY MORE NARROW THAN A PUBLIC ROAD.
NO PAVE PA THE PAVES STILL 24 FEET LIKE YOU WOULD'VE ON A ROAD, DON.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY ON EITHER SIDE.
THAT'S, YOU CAN BRING THE, YOU CAN BRING THAT 35 FEET DOWN BECAUSE SPACE OR UTILITY LINES.
AND, AND I DO WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW.
SO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS SITE IS ON PUD, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHERS WHO EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THIS SITE.
AND THE ONLY OTHERS THAT HAVE APPROACHED BURKE FAMILY RECENTLY ARE TO DO TRADITIONAL HIGHER INTENSITY APARTMENTS.
AND I THINK THE BURKE FAMILY DESERVES SOME CREDIT KNOWING THAT THIS IS TUCKED BEHIND A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEIR PREFERENCE IS OBVIOUSLY TO DO A FOR SALE PRODUCT.
THAT'S ONLY FOUR UNITS PER BUILDING.
SO THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE.
THIS IS DEFINITELY WHAT WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH.
IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH TO THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE PURCHASERS WHO APPROACH THEM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SETTLE ON THE SETBACKS TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT YOU HAVE THAT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A SCENIC BENCH TO OVERLOOK YOUR DRY POND.
WE CAN PUT A SCENIC PLAYGROUND.
UM, WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS? 50 FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY DON'T WANNA GET ANY CLOSER.
WILL BE RETIRED EVEN FARTHER FROM ANOTHER 50 TO THE FIRST RAILROAD.
THESE ARE THE MAIN RAILROAD? NO, THEY'RE HIGH SPEEDED RAIL LINE THAT GOES TO THE THERE.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE IN 5 22? WE GOT THE GARAGE AND HOUSES AND ONE MORE WALL STREET.
JUST IT'S STILL NOT, THEN WE GOT 36 OTHER PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD THESE TWO OR THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES.
THESE AREN'T THREE BEDROOMS. THESE ARE THREE BEDROOM, THESE ARE TWO BEDROOMS. THESE ARE ALL TWO BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA PROB THERE'S NO INTENTION OF MAKING ANY OF THEM THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES? NO.
YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, BUT YOU REALLY WON'T HAVE A TON HERE.
YOU JUST DON'T, YOU'LL HAVE SOME HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF KIDS AND THE DUPLEXES
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OVER THERE.THEY'LL HAVE, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THOUGH.
WELL THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR CORE.
AND I BET YOU DON'T HAVE ANY
AND THERE'S, I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE LIVE IN THERE AND THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT MANY KIDS.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE RETIRED INDIVIDUAL.
THIS IS TYPICALLY PEOPLE DOWNSIZING, DON'T WANNA STARTER HOMES OR WHAT DID WE SAY? OR STARTER HOMES.
WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR THESE? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WE DUNNO YET NOT DETERMINED PRICING RIGHT NOW ON ANYTHING IS, I GUESS, WELL IF YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS PEOPLE DOWNSIZING, I WAS CURIOUS.
I WOULD SAY IF I SAID RIGHT NOW BASED ON COVID AND SUPPLY CHAINS, THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA BE LESS THAN TWO 50.
SO WHAT IS THE GIVEN SUPPLY CHAIN PRICING MATERIALS IS, IS THERE A DESIRE TO EVEN BREAK GROUND IN YEAH.
2022 OR ARE WE LOOKING AT 2023? NO, 2020.
YOU, YOU IDEALLY WOULD LIKE TO BREAK DOWN IN 2022 IF APPROVED.
AND THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BUILD ALL OF 'EM IMMEDIATELY.
IT BE, IT WOULD BE A PHASE CONSTRUCTION.
ON ON DEMAND KIND OF PHASE CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT MANY SPEC IN THOSE
SO AT SOME POINT WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD PHASE IT.
HOW MANY YEARS CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE, LIKE IF, IF YOU WOULD BUILD A THIRD OF IT ONE YEAR, THIRD OF IT, SOME SORT OF DISCUSSION ON HOW, WHAT MIGHT BE REASONABLE TO EXPECT DURING A TYPICAL GROWTH, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND WHICH ONES ARE THE FIRST ONES TO GO IN? YEAH, WE PHASE PHASE PLAN IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS ASSUMED THREE YEAR.
WE ASKED THEM TO ASSUME A THREE YEAR BUILD.
AND THEN WHICH ONES YOU WOULD CONSTRUCT FIRST.
IF THEY EVER WANTED TO GO BETWEEN THE OFFENSES OR WHAT'S GONNA SEPARATE THE YARD QUESTION.
IS THAT NORMAL AND HEATHER? YEAH, I THINK SO.
SOME SOMETIMES THEY PUT A HALF.
I MEAN THE OWNERS CAN ALWAYS RENT THEM OUT.
WELL, REMEMBER A TOWN CAN'T RESTRICT OWNERSHIP ANYWAY.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, LET, LET'S SAY THEY, THEY SELL 75 UNITS AND THEY'RE NOT MOVING
'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA BUY.
SO THEY CAN'T TRY SAY, WELL, WE'LL LEASE THEN.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
DEPENDS ON THE, IT DEPENDS ON THE WHAT'S, HOW THAT HOA IS SET UP.
SO IF THEY CAN GO BACK THEN AND LEASE RATHER THAN HAVE HOME OWNERSHIP, DO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT THEN WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS? BECAUSE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IF IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO AGREE.
THESE UNITS WHERE THE SETBACKS APPLY, IF OUR SETBACK IS SATISFIES OWNERSHIP BUT DOESN'T SATISFY FOR LEASE, THOSE COULD BE FOR LEASE.
BUT IT'S A POD SO WE'D HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT SOMEWHERE.
COULD SPECIFY THE ONES THAT ARE LESS THAN 50 FEET AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THOSE HAVE TO BE FOR SALE OR KEEP MIND THE WHOLE IT IS.
WELL, SO, SO THAT'S, IT IS DESIGNED FOR OWNER.
A HOMEOWNER COULD, COULD LEASE OUT THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL HOME, BUT IT CANNOT BE LIKE A, THE HOA OR A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND IT CAN'T BE A FOUR LEASE.
YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD IT FOR LEASE AND KEEP MIND.
THESE ARE TRULY BEING BUILT TO BE SOLD AND THEY'RE DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE MARKETPLACE.
BUT WE'RE JUST REALIZING THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON THE USE AND YEAH, LET US LOOK AT THAT.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TOO.
SO SARAH WILL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HER.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, CAN IT GO LIKE, AND THEN BE SWITCHED TO A DIFFERENT OCCUPANCY MODEL, I SUPPOSE? ANY PROJECT YEAH.
THAT WE CAN REALLY RESTRICT THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE COULD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS ON S WE'RE ONE FROM APARTMENTS TO OWNER OCCUPIED, RIGHT? NO, THE OAKS ARE RENTALS.
I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE CORNER.
THE ONE ON SOULS THAT WENT, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
EXCEPT THE ONE GOING BACK TO RENTALS.
THE CONVENT WAS APPROVED AS OWNER OCCUPIED TOWNHOUSES.
AND NOW THEY'RE GOING BACK TO RENTALS.
NO, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THAT NEW PLAN SINCE IT WENT BACK.
THE, THE OWNER OCCUPIED PLAN WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU APPROVED IT AS A RENTAL OR IT'S NOT LIKE THEY BUILT THAT AND THEN THEY SAID, OH, GUESS WHAT, NOW WE'RE RENTING THEM.
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YOU REVERTED BACK TO THE, IT WAS A RENTAL AND IT WAS IS DATA.NO, WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN FROM PAST EXPERIENCES.
LIKE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IS YOU.
THEY'VE CHANGED IT IN THE PAST.
THE OTHER ONE WAS RESUBMITTED THOUGH, AS A DIFFERENT ONE.
IT WASN'T LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA MISS THIS SO MUCH.
BILL, I'LL COME AND SIT OUT THERE NEXT TIME.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SHE VOTES ON THE CHAIRMAN NOW.
THE REST OF YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT STUFF YESTERDAY.
I MEAN, I THINK THE FEEDBACK WE GOT IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE SETBACKS, WHICH WE WILL GOT FEEDBACK ABOUT FOLLOWING UP WITH THE FRONTIER CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
LOOK AT THE PHASING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DEVELOP THAT AND THEN LOOK AT PROVIDING SOME RECREATIONAL AMENITY ON SITE.
SO I THINK, SO THIS THE FIRST SUGGESTION I THINK I'VE GIVEN IN THREE YEARS AT CHRISTMAS.
I LIKE, HE'S VERY CONFRONTATIONAL, BUT IT IS ALMOST CHRISTMAS.
I THINK ONE, SHOULD WE MAKE, SHOULD WE TAKE ONE MORE? LET'S, LET'S TAKE ONE MORE LOOK AT IT BEFORE GO ENGINEERING.
I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I NEED TO, I HAVEN'T DUG INTO THE, THE EIS STUFF AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OVER THE NEXT MONTH WHAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, IF ANYTHING ON THIS SEEKER.
WE HAVE AGREE ON THE SETBACK BEFORE WE YEAH.
I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE SETBACKS, COME BACK, SHOW IT TO YOU AGAIN BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND DO ENGINEER.
THIS IS A, I NEED TO GO OVER THERE, BUT THIS ONE IS A VACANT FIELD.
I'M GETTING ALL OF THESE CONFUSED.
WE BE READY TO COME BACK IN JANUARY.
I UM, I DID SPEAK WITH DREW ABOUT THIS AND, AND WE WERE, WANTED YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT ARE OUT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD'VE SUGGESTED THEY DO ANYWAY.
BECAUSE YOU WANNA UPDATE THIS INFORMATION FROM 30 SOME YEARS AGO.
SO HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU GET ALL THAT STUFF BACK FROM THEM, YOU'LL BE SORT OF WHERE YOU WERE 30 YEARS AGO AND YOU'LL HAVE, BUT YOU'LL FEEL MUCH OLDER THAN YOU.
SO NOT REALLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, IF WE ISSUE A FINDING STATEMENT RELATIVE TO THE ORIGINAL EI ASK, WE WOULD PROBABLY APPEND ALL THOSE REPORTS AS UPDATED INFORMATION TO BACK UP THE FINDING STATEMENTS OR AT LEAST REFERENCE SUBJECTS.
REFERENCE OUR OPTIONS IF WE THINK THAT WE SUPPLEMENT A GEI.
WOULD THAT BE, SO THE OPTIONS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, OR THIS A, YOU DETERMINE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL FINDING STATEMENT.
B, YOU ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BECAUSE THERE'S IMPACTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT BUT THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANT.
C AND THEN C AND THEN C, YOU ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR WHAT WOULD BE IN THIS INSTANCE A SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL.
WAIT UNTIL YOU GET ALL THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE ALREADY UPDATING.
AND THEN YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS THAT YOU JUST GAVE.
IS THERE A WAY IN ADDITION TO, I KNOW SARAH HAS 'EM AND WE'LL BE EMAILING THEM.
IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU GUYS COULD PUT ALL OF THOSE FILES ONTO LIKE A DROPBOX OR SOMETHING SO THAT ALL THE REPORTS ARE IN LIKE ONE PICK YOUR, PICK YOUR CONFIRM FILE SERVICE.
I'M NOT, SEAN REALLY LIKES THE BINDER.
SHE LIKES THIS BIG NICE BINDER.
I PREFER, I PREFER EL, BUT IF WE CAN GET IT SO THAT THERE'S LIKE A FOLDER INSTEAD OF JUST EMAIL JASON FROM HAS TAUGHT ME HOW TO GO THAT, ASK FOR THAT AND I SOMETHING OR OTHER AND TAKES ALL THESE STUDIES AND PUT THEM INTO ONE PDF.
I DON'T WANNA MISS ONE PDF DI WANT 'EM ALL IN A FOLDER.
I CAN SO CAN I CAN MAKE A MAKE FILE.
LET FILE ANYONE HAS AN ELECTRONIC FOLDER.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HELPFUL WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE AM AMHERST, YOU GET WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
LIKE AMHERST THE SOUND HAS THEIR OWN BIG BITES THING WHERE
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THEY, EVERY PROJECT WE UPLOAD EVERYTHING EVERYBODY HAS.WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ON AND OFF, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OTHER TECH UPGRADES HAPPENING.
YOU LITERALLY GET, WHEN YOU SUBMIT SOMETHING THEN HAMBURG WANTS IT, BUT THEY GIVE YOU A LINK AND THEN YOU HAVE TO UPLOAD EVERYTHING.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE BETTER STUFF THAN THIS.
USES A PROGRAM CALLED BIG VICE.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE POSTS SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE IN THAT PROJECT, YOU GET, EVERYONE GETS IT AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? BASE CAMP BASECAMP IS THE ONE WHERE IF YOU USE THAT, IF ANYONE POSTS SOMETHING, ANYONE'S ON THAT PROJECT GETS THE UPDATE.
WE'RE LOOK AT WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THE FIFTH MEETING? UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE STILL AT SKETCH PLAN.
SO WE'RE GOAL IS, LET US, BECAUSE I ONLY ASKED THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A CHANCE IF ANYBODY'S ABSENT, YOU WILL NOT HAVE QUO.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO COME BACK.
AND THEN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YEAH.
AND THEN LOOK AT US AND BE LIKE, AH.
I DON'T DUNNO IF WE'RE VOTING ON ANY WELL, WE, IF THERE'S A FORM IN ADVANCE.
WELL, I THINK DOUBLE BECAUSE THAT MAKES, YEAH.
IF THAT CHANGE, IF IT TURNS OUT WE DON'T, WELL MEGAN MAKE, BUT IF IT TURNS OUT WE KNOW IN ADVANCE IF THERE'S NOT A QUORUM, CAN WE JUST AUTOMATICALLY CARRY IT OVER THE NEXT MEETING? THERE'S NOT QUORUM.
WE CAN MEET, WE JUST CAN'T MAKE A DECISION.
BUT YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T MEET.
SHOULDN'T IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
WE WOULDN'T BE VOTING ON ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ATTORNEY SAID WE SHOULDN'T.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, TO, TO CLEAR OUT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAN ON LIKE NEEDING THAT MEETING TO HAPPEN TO GET THE NEXT THING.
LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WELL THEN THE NEXT THING BE THE TEENTH RIGHT.
SO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE DEVELOPMENT TILL JANUARY 5TH.
WOULD THE HOLIDAYS WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING.
SECOND MOTION BY MRS. MCCORMICK.
SECOND BY MRS. UFFORD TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
JUST A HEADS UP THAT WHEN WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING, THE FOUR OF US ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE, OTHERWISE WE CAN'T APPROVE THEM.
YOU NEED FOUR AND YOU NEED THIS FOUR, RIGHT? WELL YOU NEED FOUR.
IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY, PUBLIC COMMENT OR SHOULD I WRITE YOU A LETTER? YOU SHOULD WRITE US A LETTER.
WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT A LATER DATE IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
WELL, WELL PLEASE SEND US A LETTER.
IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO HAVE IT WRITING BECAUSE WE CAN REFERENCE BACK TO OKAY.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO COMMENT IN OTHER WAYS.
IF ANYTHING, YOU CAN US AS MANY LETTERS AS YOU.
WELL, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT, BUT
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
AND EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A PIECE OF CAKE THAT MRS. CHAPMAN MADE FOR US.