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ALL RIGHT.CALL THIS WORK SESSION TO ORDER AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF THE FLAG.
THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE.
AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, ERFORD AND HOKE ARE NOT WITH US TONIGHT.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ERFORD PLANS ON BEING WITH US A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS EVENING AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILL NOT BE JOINING US.
UM, DO WE DO A ROLL CALL FOR THE WORK SESSION OR NO? UM, NO, WE JUST DO IT FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A FEW THINGS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AND I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT UH, I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, HOPEFULLY AROUND SIX 30 OR SO.
BUT FIRST WE HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM UH, WEST, HERE WEST HER TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE UH, TOWN CODE.
SUPERVISOR NUMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS FROM HOPKINS, SURGI MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS JIM ULCA AND SCOTT B IS ALSO ON HIS WAY.
SO THE ISSUE THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AFTERNOON WILL REQUIRE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT JIM HAS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT DOWN THE PATH OF THE ACTUAL MERITS OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE IT IS, IS AS YOU EXTEND TOWARDS THE EASTERN BOUND OF THE TOWN ALONG SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WEST TUR HAS A SUCCESSFUL DEALERSHIP DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, ALBEIT IN A DIFFERENT TOWN.
UM, THE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE SEVERAL APPROVALS.
NUMBER ONE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING OF THE SITE FROM C ONE IN RESIDENTIAL TO C TWO.
AND IT ALSO, THE ISSUE THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS WITH YOU WOULD REQUIRE SOME CONSIDERATION OF AN AMENDMENT OF WHAT'S KNOWN AS SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 21 A OF THE ZONING CODE.
JIM, IF YOU WANT TO TURN TO THE OTHER SIDE, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT HANDOUTS THAT WERE PRESENTED ON THE BOARD HAVE ALSO BEEN GIVEN TO MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD.
WE ALSO DID PROVIDE DREW WITH A COPY.
SO THAT SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE THAT I BELIEVE WAS ADOPTED BY A PREDECESSOR BOARD IN ABOUT 19 90 19 99 RESTRICTS A GEOGRAPHIC AREA FOR AUTOMOTIVE USES, INCLUDING NEW CAR DEALERSHIP, WHICH IS EXACTLY WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP ON THAT
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PROJECT SITE.AND WHAT IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN SECTION A 2 83 21 A IS NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR NEW OR USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND FACILITIES SHALL BE AUTHORIZED UNLESS THE APPLICANT'S PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 2 83, 12 B 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.
AND THOSE PREVIOUS CRITERIA ARE WE WOULD NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS GOOD FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE 'CAUSE IT MEANS THAT THIS USE WOULD BE REGULATED.
AND WHAT A SAYS, THE PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ALONG CAMP ROAD, NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 75, BETWEEN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY I 90 AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS OF NASH ROAD.
SO JIM HAS PREPARED THIS HANDOUT, WHICH INDICATES WHERE THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA IS.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILE STRETCH ALONG CAMP ROAD.
AND OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IS IT'S A LITTLE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE.
MEANING SINCE 1999, OBVIOUSLY PORTIONS OF THAT 1.5 MILE STRETCH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARCELS LEFT THAT NUMBER ONE ARE PROPERLY ZONED.
NUMBER TWO ARE NOT DEVELOPED ALREADY, OR NUMBER THREE DON'T HAVE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, WHATEVER THOSE WOULD BE, WHATEVER THOSE WOULD BE.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER AND LY THIS IS A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY, IS MODIFYING THAT LANGUAGE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT BE MODIFIED WHOLESALE.
WE'RE ASKING THAT THAT BE MODIFIED TO ADD TO THE AREAS WHERE IT'S GEOGRAPHICALLY ALLOWED THE RELEVANT SEGMENT OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHETHER IT'S FROM BIG TREE ROAD TO THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE TOWN OR WHATEVER YOU DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TO INCLUDE THE PROJECT SITE.
I WOULD NOTE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, WE HAVE MET WITH A COUPLE OF THE NEARBY OWNERS, NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS PATH MANY TIMES, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO WE'RE NOT IN ANY WAY LOOKING TO CIRCUMVENT ANY TYPE OF REVIEW PROCESS.
WE'LL DO OUR TYPICAL EFFORT, WE'LL REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS.
BUT JIM AND I RECENTLY WORKED ON A PROJECT AT
I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED FRIENDSHIPS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE WILL DO THAT SAME THING AS WE DID THERE.
HOWEVER, THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT CANNOT MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME UNLESS THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THAT GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO CONSIDER.
OBVIOUSLY WELCOME ANY INPUT YOU HAVE AND WE DO WANNA EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS LETTING US COME HERE THIS AFTERNOON AND PRESENT THIS AND AT LEAST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT MR. ER IS ALSO HERE.
I, JULIE NOTED THAT AND I JUST HAVE A SMALL HANDOUT.
THERE'S NOTHING NEW WITH WHAT SEAN JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UH, BASICALLY GIVING YOU A COPY OF THAT SECTION OF THE, OF THE LAW.
MY COVER MEMO EXPLAINING ABOUT 1999, WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID BACK IN 1999.
UM, AND AS SEAN HAS ELOQUENTLY STATED, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THAT SECTION OF THE SPECIAL USE PROTOCOL IF YOU GO TO C TWO C TWO ALLOWS NEW AND USED AUTOMOTIVE, UH, SALES AND SERVICE.
BUT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION, WE RESTRICTED NOW ANY NEW ONES TO THAT SECTION THAT'S SHOWN ON HERE FROM HERE TO HERE.
UM, TOWN'S OPINION BACK THEN WAS WE HAD A LOT OF CAR DEALERSHIPS.
WE THOUGHT WE WANTED TO TARGET IT, WHICH PARK HAS DONE THE SAME THING.
A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE TARGETED AREAS FOR NEW AND USE CAR, CAR DEALERSHIPS.
WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THE REMAINDER OF THE C UH, C TWO ZONING IN THE TOWN WAS MORE TARGETED FOR OTHER TYPE OF BUSINESSES.
WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT WITH, UH, A PROJECT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, NOW WITH PUBLIC MINI STORAGE.
WE DID THE SAME THING WITH PUBLIC MINI STORAGE A FEW YEARS LATER.
BASICALLY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ANYMORE.
SO YOUR BIG CONSIDERATION, THE PLANNING BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ON THE REZONING.
ONLY THE FACT THAT NOT ALLOWED THE UNDER THE LAW.
SO YOUR BIG DECISION IS DO YOU WANNA BEND THAT SECTION OF THE LAW? YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE REALLY TWO CHOICES, WELL, THREE CHOICES.
YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, YOU REMOVE THAT SECTION OF THE, OF THE LAW THAT RESTRICTS IT TO THIS AREA.
IT'S ALLOWED AT THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT OF THE TOWN.
UH, BY THE WAY, I HAVE A ZONING MAP IF PEOPLE WANNA SEE AND THEN ALSO OUT, OR THE THIRD ONE IS AMEND THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH TO SAY, OKAY, AS SEAN HAS MENTIONED, MAYBE THIS AREA IS FILLED UP NOW THAT REALLY NOT.
DO WE WANNA ALLOW OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN WHERE THERE C TWO ZONING TO ALLOW SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OBVIOUSLY FROM WEST HER STANDPOINT, THEY MAY WANT YOU TO OPEN UP SOMEWHERE LIKE FROM MCKINLEY THE OLD SEVEN CORNERS DOWN TO A CERTAIN LOCATION AND SAY
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THAT AREA, WE CAN'T JUST TAKE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PART AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'LL ALSO ALLOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.IT'S GOTTA BE AN AREA IN GENERAL.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO PICK THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY QUICK PRESENTATION.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE, I HAVE COPIES OF THE ZONING MAP.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE C TWO ZONING IS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND WHERE YOU COULD ORIGINALLY PUT THEM.
AND NOW WE'VE RESTRICTED THEM TO THOSE, TO THE, THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.
NOW IF YOU GET THROUGH THAT PART OF SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IN OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN, THEN THE NEXT HARD ONE IS YOU'D HAVE TO REZONE THAT PARCEL.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT REZONING, JUST ONE PARCEL PEOPLE ACT ON WEST BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE OTHER AREA.
WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST TAKE ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, THIS WHOLE NORTH SIDE OF OF SOUTHWESTERN IN THIS AREA FROM ALMOST FROM SEVEN CORNERS ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN BORDER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS ALL ZONE C ONE.
AND UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR THAT.
THEY THOUGHT THE SMALLER COMMERCIAL USES THERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEHIND THAT AREA IS ALMOST ALL RESIDENTIAL IN THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD.
SO THEY TRY TO PUT SMALLER USES.
WEST SERVE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB PRESENTING HOW THEY CAN WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS WITH THAT PARTICULAR USE IN THAT AREA.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU CHANGE THE CODE, PROBABLY WILL ACT ON THEIR REQUEST.
BUT ALSO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS ALONG THIS, THE CONFERENCE PLAN UPDATE THAT'S BEING DONE NOW, OUR CONFERENCE PLAN, CONFERENCE PLAN, NOT AN UPDATE, TALKS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THIS AREA SAYING THERE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ZONING IN THAT AREA AS WE KNOW IS THE NEW STADIUM GOING IN AND ECC MAY BE GOING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S A PERFECT RIPE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE ZONING IN THAT AREA.
E CCC CAMPUS IS ZONED R THREE ISS PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT THERE,
SO PROBABLY WANNA CHANGE THAT ZONING.
AND THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF OF THIS SECTION OF SOUTHWEST WE WANNA CHANGE.
UH, WEST HER HAS A FACILITY RIGHT ON THE CORNER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU JUST PASS MCKINLEY THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU HAVE THROUGH IT LIKE A, A REPAIR FACILITY OR SOMETHING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF, THEN THERE'S THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP.
YEAH, WE AUTO STORES ABOUT THE ACCESSORY.
SO AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A, A BIGGER PROJECT.
I MEAN WESTERN'S GONNA DROP POINTING OUT THE NEEDS OF, OF THIS INDUSTRY THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROPERTY.
BUT NOW IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT TIME TO A GIVE ME DIRECTION IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES, MAKE SOME SMALL REVISIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA TRY TO DO WITH THAT.
SO THEY'RE HERE, I'M HERE, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
IT'S GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION, UH, TO ME TO PUT TOGETHER THAT, THAT INFORMATION.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE AND DREW, MAKE SURE THIS IS CLEAR AS WELL, IF THE TOWN BOARDS TO CONSIDER THIS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO, IT'S A PRETTY, UM, INTENSIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE LOCAL LAW WILL GET PREPARED.
IT WILL ALSO BE SUBJECT TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT WILL NEED TO BE REFERRED TO THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING PURSUANT TO GENERAL RISK LOSS SECTION TWO 30 IM.
SO IT IS A, IT IS A SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED PROCESS, BUT IF WE CAN START DOWN THAT PATH AGAIN WITH IT BEING NOTED THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN EFFORT TO INCORPORATE INPUT, RECEIVE, WE THINK ULTIMATELY WE COULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S LIKE YESTERDAY AND AS DREW MENTIONED, THE NEEDS OF DEALERSHIPS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE PAST 23 YEARS.
YOU NEED BIGGER SITES, YOU NEED MORE INVENTORY.
LIGHTING HAS GOTTEN MUCH EASIER TO REGULATE.
YOU SEE WAY MORE LANDSCAPING AT NEW DEALERSHIPS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A DRAMATIC CHANGE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO DECADES.
AND OF COURSE WEST HER THAT HAS A VERY VESTED INTEREST IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS WELL AS OTHER NEARBY COMMUNITIES.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PAST PRECEDENT, UH, THEY DO THEIR PROJECTS WELL AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT INPUT FROM NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THEIR SUCCESS BY THE WAY.
THAT'S THE HARDER PART IS THAT IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WEST HER WILL DO A GOOD JOB ON THIS PIECE, PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IF GETTING THAT FAR, IT IS ALL THE THINGS THAT LEAD TO THAT POINT.
AMENDING THE CODE AND THEN CHANGING THE ZONING OF THAT AREA IS THE HARDER PART.
MEANING YOU TYPICALLY AND STUFF LIKE THIS WOULD NOT TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND CHANGE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT OR CHANGE THE, THE ZONING.
YOU WOULD WANNA LOOK AT THE AREA AND SAY, HEY, IT'S CHANGED ENOUGH THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE CODE AND, AND THE ZONING OF THIS AREA, WHICH THE CONFERENCE MINE SAYS WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE ZONING OF THIS AREA.
BUT WHAT TWO
I HAVE IDEAS FOR THE R THREE PROPERTY IN THE OTHER PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH.
I MEAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
WE'LL GET A DRAFT TO THE PLAN VERY SHORTLY TO SEE THOSE KIND OF GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE WON'T HAVE SPECIFIC CODES BUT WE'LL HAVE GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE.
THERE'S PROBABLY, BEN KNOWS AT LEAST 25 OTHER AREAS OF TOWN THAT HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES LIKE THIS.
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OKAY.QUESTIONS? I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, AND YOU MIGHT BE FOR SEAN OR DREW, BUT THE FIRST IS ON THIS MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF AUTO OR TRAILER CAMPER SALES OUTSIDE THE CAMP ROAD DISTRICT.
UM, WAS THAT BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE 1998? ALL ALL OF THEM, THEY'RE EXISTING, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USES.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE.
IF THEY EXISTED BEFORE THE CODE CHANGED, UM, THEY CAN EXPAND UP TO 25% WEST.
HERS EXPANDED A FEW OF THE PROPERTIES AND WHATEVER.
WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DID THAT.
SO YEAH, ALL THOSE ARE EXISTING.
EVEN THE TO ONE THAT IT WASN'T OWNED BY WESTER I THINK YEARS AGO IT WAS OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M ALMOST SURE IT'S PRIOR TO 1999.
IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE GROWTH OF, YOU KNOW, AUTO DEALERSHIP TO MAYBE THIS IS MORE POINT I GUESS TO TO SCOTT OR WEST HER, OBVIOUSLY IT'S CHANGED SINCE 1998.
IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO CONSIDER A CHANGE NOW, WHAT SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE? UH, WE ALREADY HAD AN INCIDENT WITH, UH, THE MCKINLEY MALL AREA, UM, REQUESTING, UH, A VIRTUAL, ESSENTIALLY A VIRTUAL UH, CAR DEALERSHIP.
WHAT IF, IF WE TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE FUTURE NEEDS IN THAT, IN THAT SECTOR? UH, WITHIN OUR TOWN? WELL, I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE OF BRANDS, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO OTHER BRANDS THAT WOULD ARE DESIRING TO GO.
MAYBE THE ORCHARD FIRE OR, OR HAMBURG.
AND I THINK THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN SET BY SEAN, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR BRAND ONLY WANTS TO BE WHERE THIS SITE IS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN HAMBURG AND THEY WANNA BE AN ORCHARD FIRE.
THEY WANT BE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE LIKE THEY ALREADY DID.
SO THAT'S THE, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THE CHOICE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE OF BUILDING IT, THAT CAMP GROW.
WE COULD ACQUIRE THE LAND BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE THERE.
IF THEY HAVE TO NOT BE IN THIS SITE, THEY WANNA BE IN OCEAN PARK.
BUT THE TWO, SO WE GOT ANOTHER SITE, I'VE GOT AN OPTION ON AN OCEAN PARK AND WE CAN'T GET THIS DONE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER HAVE IT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TOYOTA STORE.
A SUSPENSION 90, 90 THIS PASSED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TOYOTA STORE WAS BUILT, BUT IT WAS WAY BEFORE THAT.
BUT YOU COULD, WE COULD, I SHOULD FIND AN OLD PICTURE OF THAT TOYOTA STORE WOULD.
WE BOUGHT IT BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THAT IT WHAT LOOKS LIKE NOW GO A NICE AMOUNT LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANNA SAY ONE DAY WE, HAMBURG IS WHERE WEST EARTH STARTED.
HAMBURG'S BEEN EXTREMELY GOOD OF WEST EARTH.
WE UP THERE AT CLARK STREET OVER HERE.
WEST'S BEEN ABOUT OR AROUND NOW FOR SEVEN, TWO YEARS.
WE LOVE TO SUPPORT AMBER'S GIVEN US.
IF WE CAN'T GET THIS DONE, IT WON'T BE SOLID GRAPES.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE STANDING HERE.
NOT GONNA BE THE NEW WORLD JUST CLOSED ON OUR 34TH DEALERSHIP.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE OKAY, BUT WE THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S GONNA BRING ABOUT 75 JOBS I THINK.
UH, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SO SOMETHING EVENTUALLY WILL GO THEIR COMMERCIAL.
SO I ASK EVERYBODY TO THINK THIS THROUGH ABOUT WHAT'S BETTER THAN US.
FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T THINK CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE NUMBER ONE ON ANYBODY'S LIST.
I'D TO HAVE A DEALERSHIP THAT I CAN LOOK, HERE'S WHAT I SEE.
NUMBERS NOW ARE SHORTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN CLOSE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, THREE NIGHTS A WEEK, SIX O'CLOCK THE REST OF THE WEEK.
NOT OPEN ON SUNDAYS, BUT NOT OPEN ON HOLIDAYS, DIMMER LIGHTS AT NIGHT DO A VERY LOW LEVEL, NOT GONNA HAVE LOUD SOURCE SPEAKERS, ACADEMIC MUSIC.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PAGE YOU WE'RE GONNA SPEND ABOUT $8 MILLION IN THIS BUILDING.
SO IT'LL BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
SO I THINK WE'RE A BETTER CHOICE FOR THIS SITE COMMERCIALLY WITH SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL ENTITY THAT, THAT IS ALLOWED TO GO THERE RIGHT NOW.
LOTS OF NOISE AND LIGHTS ARE ON ALL NIGHT 'CAUSE WE'RE OPEN BIT LATE.
A HOTEL GOES THERE, A BURGER KING GOES THERE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE I THINK NOT AS ATTRACTIVE A THING AS THAT, THAT WE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE APPROVED TO GO THERE.
SO CHOICE, SELF-SERVING, BETTER CHOICE.
BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GONNA HAVE A TALL BUILDING.
OF COURSE BEING A DEALERSHIP, EXTRA RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THE GOOD THING IS YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR, YOU'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW AN FENCE TO THAT BE 50 FEET OF WOODS THAT NOBODY'S ASKED US TO DO THAT.
WE JUST THINK THAT'S A RIGHT THING TO DO.
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THAT THAT'S A MATURE WOODS.SO THERE SHOULD BE FEET OF WOODS AND THEN A FENCE.
I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS, WOULD THE HOMEOWNERS RATHER HAVE IT STAY AT WOODS? YES.
IF I LIVED ON THAT STREET, WOULD I HAD RATHER HAVE IT STAY AT WOODS? YES.
BUT IF IT'S GONNA CHANGE FOR SOMETHING AND IT WILL, SOMETHING WILL COME THERE BY LEAVING 50 FEET OF WOODS AND THEN A NICE FENCE, THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A BETTER BARRIER THAN MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T GET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEST WE CAN WITHOUT EVEN ASKING BECAUSE WE JUST KNOW WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE'VE DONE THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN A LOT OF TOWNS, GOT ONE APPROVED EVERY TIME.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN REASONABLE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE PUT THIS SOME REAL QUIRKY, UNUSUAL PLACE THAT UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE STARING AT ANOTHER DEALERSHIP ON A ROAD THAT SHOULD MIGHT BE THAT PUT A DEALERSHIP ON YOU LOOK ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE ON IT AND YOU GO DOWN THE STREET IN OTHER DIRECTIONS.
YOU GOT A CAR WASH GOING UP THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA, IT'S A NICE, VERY NICE, BUT IT'S, I ALWAYS ATTRACTIVE AS OUR VILLAGE WOULD BE.
SO IT'S HAVE A SAFE ROAD, IOWA WHATEVER DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I, I THINK WOULD BE REASONABLE I THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BRING ANYTHING TO THAT SITE WITH 75 JOBS.
THEY PAY MORE THAN WE PAY, BUT THE JOBS WILL GO THERE AN HOUR JOBS.
OURS ARE, THERE'S POSITIONS THAT, THERE'S SALESPEOPLE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THAT.
SO TO THE, TO THE AREA TAX BREAKS WERE A VERY GOOD CHOICE.
THIS WHAT NOT JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM US, BUT THE MANUFACTURER WILL EXPECT FROM US AS WELL.
WE'LL EXPECT THIS BUILDING TO BE FIRST CLASS OR WE DON'T GET THE FRANCHISE.
SO IT WOULD BE A PROJECT I THINK THAT WE DECIDED TO ENDORSE IT.
THAT WILL ALL BE FEEL GOOD ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.
WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE ISSUES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HER OFFERING THOSE THINGS LIKE BUFFERS AND NO OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, WHATEVER.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MEND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU WOULD PUT THOSE THINGS IN THERE.
SO WHETHER IT'S WEST HER OR SOMEONE AT WEST EARTH GRADE, THEY'RE OFFERING THOSE THINGS.
BUT WE WOULD WANT TO REGULATE THAT.
YOU GOTTA STRESS ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO I THINK OPERATION TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S A HARD PART.
SEAN KNOWS I CAN'T PUT IN THE ZONING CODE TO CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC WE CAN OFFER THAT, BUT WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT.
THE LOGIC OF THE LAW THAT WAS PASSED.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DEALERSHIPS DISTRICT ALWAYS CAN GROW.
THIS PARTICULAR BRAND, LIKE I SAID, DOESN'T WANNA BE THERE.
BUT MOST TOWNS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RESEARCH IN THE WHOLE STATE, THERE'S NOT A, A TOWN DECIDES STRICTLY THIS IS SMALL AREA, THIS SMALL THIS IS CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT ON A SIDE STREET.
WE DON'T WANT SOUTHWEST GLAD WE'RE GETTING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH EVERYONE.
THRILLED IF YOU GUYS DECIDED TO GO ALONG, GUYS DECIDED TO ON APPROVE MEMBERS US.
AND BY THE WAY, I DID BRING UP, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THESE CONCURRENT BECAUSE WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT, OH GEEZ, LET'S CHANGE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT.
WELL IF WE CHANGE THE SPECIAL USE FOR REQUIREMENTS, SAY HEY, WE'RE NOT ONLY ALLOWING IT HERE, WE'RE ALLOWING IT OVER HERE.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT US AND GO, YEAH, BUT THERE'S NO MORE PROPERTY ZONE C TWO OVER THERE, SO WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING IT THERE WHEN THERE'S NO PROPERTY ZONE C TWO.
SO WE'D HAVE TO ALSO CONCURRENTLY REZONE SOME PROPERTY.
OTHERWISE PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT US AND GO, WELL THAT'S STUPID.
YOU'RE ALLOWING IT IN THE LOCATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE C TWO ZONING.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.
AND I ALSO THINK IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM A NEIGHBOR'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALWAYS CONFUSING, BUT NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE ONES WE'VE SPOKEN TO, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING EXPLAINING THE PROCESS.
I THINK IF THOSE WERE TEED UP AT THE SAME TIME, WANNA REVIEW, I THINK IT MAKES EVERYONE'S LIVES A LITTLE EASIER.
WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW, THEY'RE NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET WITH BEHIND US, THEY WERE VERY NICE.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
SCOTT'S ALREADY AGREED TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
WE WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
WE'LL BOTH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MEET WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS IF THIS IS GOING SOMEWHERE.
RIGHT, I'LL DO THAT WHEN IT'S REQUESTED BY ALL OF YOU.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE WITH 'EM ALL.
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IT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.BUT IF IT'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE, THEN WE'LL DO THAT.
WE'LL DO IT AS EARLY AS YOU WANT US TO DO IT.
GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER, ALL THE NEIGHBORS AT ONCE, INVITE UP TO SOMETHING AND WE'LL DO THAT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I GUESS ONE QUESTION THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIRABILITY OF THE LOCATION AS IT RELATES TO, TO THE BRAND.
AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, THE AREA THAT WE HAVE APPROVED CURRENTLY GOES FROM REALLY THE MIDDLE OF HAMBURG TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE LAKE.
AND AS WE GO TOWARDS THE LAKE, OF COURSE THERE'S LESS POPULATION DENSITY AND A LOT OF THAT AREA AROUND THE END OF CAMP ROAD IS, IS LAKE ERIE OF COURSE.
IS IS THAT ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS? IS THE DENSITY OF THE LOCATION AND THE ACCESS TO, UH, CONSUMER HOUSEHOLDS? WELL IT'S, IT'S THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT FORD, THERE'S ONE IN HAMBURGER AND ONE IN NOR PARK.
IF YOU LOOK AT JEEP, THERE'S ONE IN HAMBURG, THERE'S ONE IN NOR PARK.
THIS BRAND ISN'T GONNA BE A HAMBURGER IN NOR PARK IS ONLY GONNA BE ONE LOCATION LIKE TOYOTA IS.
THERE'S NO OTHER TOYOTA ONE LOCATION IN ALL OF THE SOUTH TOWN.
THERE'S JUST ONE, THERE'S FOUR OTHER TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS ALL IN THE NORTH TOWNS, ONE IN GRAND ISLAND AND THREE OTHERS IN THE NORTH TOWNS.
SO THEY WANT THE SPLIT OF THE TOWN BECAUSE THEY, 'CAUSE THERE'S 50 SOME THOUSAND PEOPLE IN HAMBURG.
THERE'S 20 SOME THOUSAND PEOPLE IN CAR.
PEOPLE PULL FROM WESTS ARE PRETTY EASY.
THEY JUST LIKE THAT SPOT AND THEY SEE OUR TOYOTA STORES, THE NUMBER ONE TOYOTA STORE, ALL OF THE UPSTATE NEW YORK.
THEY SAY, WELL THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE'RE THE SAME SITUATION THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY BE.
SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT PULL AS FAR AS THE HAMBURGER.
'CAUSE THEN THEY FEEL LIKE FROM WEST SENECA CUSTOMER THAT MAYBE THINKS THAT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR.
IF IT'S HERE, THEY THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
THE CHAR PARK PEOPLE, EAST AURORA PEOPLE CLOSER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE SERVICE THE OF ALL THOSE TOWNS, UM, TO THE DEALERSHIP THERE.
OR SOME OF THE DOMESTIC BRANDS THAT ORDER CHEVY, THAT'S A CHEVY HAS ONE AT ORCHARD PARK AND ONE IN HAMBURG THAT MOST OF THE DOMESTICS HAVE ONE IN EACH TOWN.
SOME OF THE BRANDS DON'T, BUT THIS BRAND DOESN'T.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, SCOTT AND HIS TEAM AT WEST TAR, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT STRETCH OF CAMP ROAD BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE MULTIPLE BRANDS AND MULTIPLE DEALERSHIPS.
THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT THERE, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING AVAILABLE TO BUY IT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR, BUY SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW THAT'S OUR SALE THAT'S PRACTICAL FOR US TO BUY.
SO CAN'T SAY IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT IN THIS BRAND IT COULD BE DONE BECAUSE, WELL, LET'S PUT IT THERE.
SO RIGHT BY THE WAY, I JUST WANTED MESSAGE TWO PEOPLE WOULD SAY, GEEZ, WE'RE LIMITING IT TO A SMALL AREA OF THE TOWN, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF C TWO ZONING OF THE TOWN TO BEGIN WITH.
YOU REALIZE THE MCKINLEY BALL AREA IS THE OTHER C TWO ZONING OF THE AREA OF TOWN.
AND YOU HAD OBVIOUSLY SEVEN CORNERS, THEN YOU HAD SOUTH PARK AT BIG TREE THERE AND THAT LITTLE INTERSECTION THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT'S HERE, WHERE TOWN HALL IS, UH, AND THEN CAMP ROW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT'S THE LARGEST PIECE OF RUNNING STRETCH OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME LITTLE PIECES OF COMMERCIAL C TWO ZONING UP AND DOWN SOUTHWESTERN.
SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I I THOUGHT I HAD FIVE COPIES AND I HAVE TWO, I'LL GET YOU ONE FOR YOU.
BUT, BUT THIS IS THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN.
THERE'S NOT, THAT'S NOT EVEN A, THAT THAT'S THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF C TWO ZONING IN THE TOWN.
IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE SAY, WELL GEEZ, WE ONLY RESTRICTED TO THAT AREA.
WELL THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN WHERE THERE WAS C TWO IN THE TOWN.
SO WE JUST PICKED THE LONGEST STRETCH THAT HAD CAR DEALERSHIPS IN THERE.
SO IT SAID GOOD, BETTER, AND DIFFERENT.
THAT WAS THE DECISION MADE THEN.
DOESN'T BIND THIS BOARD THAN ANYTHING.
WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE THOUGHTS BACK THEN.
AND CAN YOU GIVE US JUST, UH, SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER USES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR C TWO C TWO ALLOWS JUST ABOUT ANY COMMERCIAL USE IN THE TOWN? SOME RESTRICTED.
SOME RESTRICTED, BUT IT'S THE HIGHEST COMMERCIAL ZONING.
UM, MATTER OF FACT, THE EXISTING C ONE ZONING TO BE BROUGHT UP WOULDN'T ALLOW, IT ALLOWS RETAIL, IT DOESN'T ALLOW GASOLINE STATION DOESN'T ALLOW THOSE HIGHER COMMERCIAL USES.
BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
UM, HOME MARINE SALES, LAUNDRY CUSTOM SHOPS, WAREHOUSES, BILLARD POOL AND POOL HALLS.
THERE'S NONE OF THOSE FLAT POOLING ALLEYS, SKATING RINKS, DAIRIES, THERE'S NO DAIRIES ANYMORE.
WHOLESALE SALES AND DISTRIBUTION, COMMERCIAL SWIMMING POOL DRIVE AND RESTAURANT THEATERS, GOLF DRIVING RANGES FOLLOWING USES WHEN CONDUCTED AN
THEN THERE'S A MANUFACTURING COMPOUNDING.
WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MANUFACTURING AND COMPOUNDING IN THERE.
AND THEN BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE HAD THINGS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE
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FEET.UM, NEW AND USED MORE VEHICLE SALES TERMINALS FOR LOCAL TRUCKING, DELIVER COMMERCIAL CAR WASHES, FILLING STATION GASOLINE STATIONS, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITIES, TOWING AND RECOVERY.
IT'S YOUR HIGHEST COMMERCIAL ZONING.
IT ALLOWS EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH.
IT ALLOWS EVERYTHING, NOT ONLY IN THAT DISTRICT BUT EVERYTHING IN C ONE.
EVERYTHING IN IN THE UN OTHER UN UNDERLYING DISTRICT.
SO IT'S YOUR HIGHEST COMMERCIAL USE.
SO IT'S PRETTY NOW IN REZONING A PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU CAN PLACE REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON THAT.
AND THAT CHALLENGE WHERE THEY SAY, WELL GEEZ, WE'LL REZONE IT AND ONLY ALLOW A NEW OR USED CARLE.
WELL YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU CAN SAY THERE'S SOME USES ON HERE THAT YOU WOULD AUTHOR TO SAY, WE'LL PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS.
ASK THEM TO PUT DEED RESTRICTIONS.
REMEMBER, WHEN YOU'RE ZONING A PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT ZONING ZONING IT ALSO FOR THE PRESENT USE, YOU'RE ZONING IT FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY BUY THAT IS THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT.
SO YOU CAN PUT REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON THERE.
IT CAN SAY NOTHING ELSE IS ALLOWED.
BUT A NEWER USED CAR LOT THAT'S KIND OF SILLY.
BUT YOU COULD SAY THERE'S A FEW OF THESE USES HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT SIDE OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, NOT A DEEP PROPERTY.
THERE'S, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL OFFICE DOWN THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, THAT C ONE ZONING ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD HAS EXISTED BEFORE I'VE COME HERE.
AND THAT WAS 28 YEARS AGO, 1990.
THIS IS THE C TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
C ONE IS A LOT MORE RESTRICTED, ALLOWS RETAIL AND OTHER THINGS.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW, UH, SOME OF THE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL USES.
BUT IT DOES ALLOW, JUST FOR PURPOSE OF EXAMPLE, C ONE ALLOWS RETAIL, USES DRY CLEANING, EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS, GARDEN CENTERS, HOTELS AND MOTELS, BANKS AND DRIVE THROUGH BANKS, RACKETBALL CLUBS, SQUASH COURTS, HEALTH SPAS, NURSERY SCHOOL DAYCARE WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, GARDEN CENTER WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THERE ARE STILL A WIDE OF OF USES.
AND I THINK THE KEY ONE THERE, AND I BELIEVE ONE WAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WAS A HOTEL WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX FLOORS AND HEIGHT PROBABLY WOULD'VE LOOKED DOWN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DUNNO IF THAT EVER HOW FAR IT GOT.
BUT I KNOW THERE WAS, IT WAS PRESENTED.
ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU DO DECIDE TO CHANGE THIS IN ANY WAY IS RESTRICTED TO FOOD CARD.
WHAT REQUIRED YOU CAN'T PUT, YOU CAN'T HAVE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
AND YOU POINTED OUT THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE EXISTING CODE THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE, IS THAT WE LUMPED NEW AND USED CAR DEALERSHIPS.
I THINK A LOT OF THE PROBLEM NOW HAD 1999 WAS A POPUP OF LITTLE USED CAR LOTS EVERYWHERE.
BY THE WAY, I HAVE TO TELL, I MY TRAINING SESSION, I TELL THROUGHOUT THROUGH NEW YORK STATE, I USED THE EXAMPLE OF, WE HAD A GUY I MENTION WHERE COMPANY USED CAR LOT CAME INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
HE WAS HIS OWN C TWO AND WE TOLD HIM HE CAN'T DO THAT THERE.
AND HE SAID, JUST TRY TO STOP ME.
HE SPENT THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS OPERATING A USED CAR LOT OUT OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE COULD NOT GET A JUDGE OR ANYBODY TO GET HIM OFF THE PROPERTY.
BUT WE COULDN'T GET HIM OFF THE PROPERTY ANYWAY, SO VERY GOOD POINT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION.
I THINK BILL WANT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, I THINK THINK ABOUT IT, I'LL TALK TO THE OTHER TWO BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU WENT THE ROUTE, WE'D HAVE TO PLACE SOME RESTRICTIONS.
WE'D HAVE TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW, UH, USED CAR OR MAYBE WE BREAK IT UP, MAYBE WE SAY, UH, USED CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE, ARE RESTRICTED TO ONLY THIS AREA AND PUT NEW CAR ON A DIFFERENT CATEGORY FOR NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS AND THEN PUT THOSE DESIGN CRITERIA NOT ONLY FOR WEST HER, BUT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OLD DAYS OF HAVING THEM SPEAKERS
NOT HAVING THAT AND, AND UH, LIGHTING THAT YOU COULD SEE THREE MILES AWAY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ACTUALLY REGULAR CAN'T REGULATE HOURS OF OPERATION CAN REGULATE A LOT OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE PARKING HAS TO BE SET BACK.
YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE OLD CAR NEW, USUALLY THE USED CAR WAS PUTTING THE CARS RIGHT UP ON THE ROAD WITH THE BIG FOR SALE SIGN OUT FRONT OF IT, WHATEVER HAS BE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE ROAD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE PARK AS THE SAME THING TOO.
SO YOU HAD SOME DESIGN THAT'S ALSO, AND THEN LIKE I SAID, THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA TAKE THIS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT WHAT DO WE WANNA DO ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AND WITH WHETHER IT'S, I KNOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET I'D LIKE TO SEE A BRAND NEW TYPE OF ZONING DISTRICT ON THE CC SIDE ACCOMMODATE SOME LITTLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THEN THIS SIDE WE COULD GO A C TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE THE R THREE, WHICH IS THE, WHICH IS ECC SOUTH, RIGHT? AND THEN THAT ENTIRE O OPPOSITE SIDE IS IS C ONE.
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FROM MCKINLEY TO UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN.BUT THE C ONE IS, IS ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET TO THOSE CORNERS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH SURROUNDED BY CC TWO AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, THAT'S TOPS AND THE FORMER WALMART, RIGHT? ALL THAT IS ON C TWO, THAT CORNER.
AND THEN AS YOU USED TO GO UP MCKINLEY, THAT CHANGED AND IT USED TO BE HAM.
WELL, HAMBURG COMMERCIAL WAS ANOTHER SMALLER ZONING CATEGORY BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BEING RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, DID LESS ZONING IN THAT AREA.
AND WE HAVE REQUESTS, BY THE WAY, IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WE HAVE REQUESTS TO CHANGE PROPERTY ZONE MCKINLEY ALSO.
UM, BUT THAT IS ALWAYS KIND OF A LOOK AT, HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING AGAIN? SAME SORT OF PROBLEM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, RIGHT BEHIND RESIDE A COMMERCIAL STRIP.
AND THAT IS, SO THAT APPEARS TO BE C TWO RIGHT UP MCKINLEY, AT LEAST ON THE EAST SIDE OF MCKINLEY, RIGHT? IT'S OKAY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FOR TWO INCHES AT THE TIME TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE AREAS.
THIS AREA WAS CALLED OUT FROM DAY ONE AS SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE.
AND NOW WITH THIS REQUEST WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE STADIUM, OTHER THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THAT AREA, WE REALLY GOTTA LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S A NEWS ZONING CATEGORY OR PART OF THE AREA C TWO OR WHATEVER.
WE GOT YOU DOWN, LOOK AT IT ANYWAY, SO IT'S ALRIGHT.
AND THEN OUR OTHER, JUST THE OTHER FACTOR WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER, THIS IS OUR PROBLEM, NOT YOURS, IS WHILE WE OWN A PORTION OF THE SITE, THERE IS A PORTION WE DON'T OWN THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTINGENT CONTRACT.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS AND IT'S NOT ANYONE'S FAULT.
I THINK WE INITIALLY PRESENTED THIS TO THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE ON OCTOBER 10TH OF LAST YEAR.
WE'RE JUST HOPING THE PROCESS, IF IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ANXIOUS PROPERTY OWNER AND AT SOME POINT OUR CONTRACT'S GONNA EXPIRE AND BY DEFAULT WE'D GO AWAY.
WELL WE HAD TO EXTEND THE OPTION THOUSAND TO KEEP IT GOING, WHICH I DON'T GET BACK.
BUT, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE MAIN, THE MANUFACTURER IS ONLY GONNA WAIT SO LONG, RIGHT? SO, SO IF THIS, I GUESS I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD OR TAKE IT TO AT LEAST ANOTHER LEVEL OF DISCUSSION THAT WE, YOU COULD SEE CLEAR THAT SOMEHOW THIS WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE THE YEAR'S OUT OR IT'LL POINT.
SO, SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO SAY BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, WE'D PROBABLY, I GOTTA THEN I GOTTA GO WITH PROPERTY LANDER RIGHT NOW.
PARK AND BENZENE IN 20, WHICH IS NOWHERE NEAR, IN MY OPINION IS NICE LOCATION AS THIS IS.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THAT LOCATION.
LIKE I LIKE THIS LOCATION, BUT NOR DOES THE MANUFACTURER.
BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT OF THIS LOCATION, ALRIGHT, KEEP TO THAT PROCESS.
YOU'D HAVE TO IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, GIVE ME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO CRAFT THE LAW THEN IN A BOARD MEETING YOU WOULD'VE TO CALL PUBLIC HEARING, DO REFERRALS AND, AND DO YOUR SEEKER.
AND THEN YOUR QUICKEST TIME PERIOD IS ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GIVE DIRECTION THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
HAVE TO DRAFT A WALL THAT YOU GUYS LIKE
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE IT BEFORE THE, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THE MCKINLEY MALL STORE THAT WAS GONNA GO UP THERE,
IS IT THAT, WOULDN'T THAT STILL BE A WELL SIMPLE? WE, WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING VERY CLEVER THERE BEFORE THEY PROPOSED THAT TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF MCKINLEY MALL.
WE DID AN INCENTIVE ZONING AREA FOR MCKINLEY MALL SAYING, HEY, WE'LL WE'LL CONSIDER ANYTHING TO GET PEOPLE
SO IT WAS THROUGH INCENTIVE ZONING, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET FOR, FOR ANOTHER, ANY OTHER AREA OF THE TOWN OTHER THAN MCKINLEY MALL AREA, WHICH WE SAW AS A HUGE PROBLEM IN WANTING TO GET PEOPLE TO CONSIDER OTHER THINGS, UH, FOR THERE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE DID THAT ONE.
IS THAT THROUGH INCENTIVE ZONING? JUST SO I'M CLEAR TRYING TO JUST REZONE THIS PIECE AND NOT CHANGE THE LAW, THAT THAT'S NOT AN EASIER STEP.
WE'D HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER AREA FOR INCENTIVE ZONING THAT, I MEAN IF WE DID THAT WHOLE AREA INCENTIVE ZONING, WE COULD ALLOW ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR USE THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW.
REMEMBER THE MCKINLEY MALL WE LISTED, WRITE UP A WHOLE WALL OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD
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CONSIDER IN AN INCENTIVE ZONING AREA.THEN YOU DON'T CHANGE THE UNDERLY ZONING.
YOU MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL IN THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDER.
BUT IF YOU DID THAT, I REQUESTED NO INCENTIVES.
YOU SAID THE INCENTIVES ARE WHAT YOU PROVIDED THE TOWN, THE INCENTIVES YOU PROPOSED RIGHT.
75 JOBS THAT THE PARK WAS PAID.
AND THEY OFFER ALSO TO MAKE A PAYMENT TO THE TOWN TO FIX THE PARK THAT WAS RIGHT BEHIND THEM BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDERED THE MCKINLEY MALL WAS WE WANTED TO PROTECT THAT PARK AREA BEHIND THERE.
SO THEY WERE GONNA OFFER SOME MONIES TO HELP WITH.
YEAH, I THINK WE START, WE, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE TO CREATE THE SET OF ZONING LAW, BUT THAT THIS AREA, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY THIS CHANGING THE LAW THING WITH THE PARK 75 WAIVER PAYING JOBS FOR SIX JOBS, FULL TAXES, BUT I STILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAW.
I HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BRAND NEW INCENTIVE ZONING LAW FOR THIS AREA OF THE TOWN PROCESS.
AND THE THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING THAT TOP FRUSTRATION OF US.
ACTUALLY IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE FRUSTRATION.
THE OTHER REASON I THINK THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IS PREFERABLE IS IT GIVES YOU THE ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF REGULATING THESE USES FOR WHITES.
I THINK WE GO ON PATH, IF THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT THAT PARK, YOU NEED TO TELL ME WHAT THAT WOULD COST.
SO THAT STILL HELPS YOU STILL GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS TOWN BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT WAS FOR THEM ME WHAT THAT COST.
SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT POINT WITH, WITH ECHO THAT THAT DEAL FELL APART BEFORE, BEFORE WE GOT THERE.
THAT'S ONE MORE THING THAT MAKES THIS A WORTHY THING FOR THE TOWN TO CONSIDER STUDY.
YEAH, AND I THINK THAT WITH THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT PARK IN PARTICULAR, IT WAS, IT WAS RELATED BECAUSE IT WAS NEARBY.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE CITIZENS OF HAMBURG.
UM, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OVER THERE.
I'D RATHER SAY, I THINK IN THAT AREA WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOOK FOR SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS THERE YET, IS THERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
THERE IS, I THINK THERE'S SOME SIDEWALKS.
NOT ON THE OTHER BIT OF A PORTION OF THE FOUR ACRE PIECE THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE BIGGER PIECE.
YOU WANTED TO CARVE OUT SOME OF THAT.
AND WOULD THAT BE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BEHIND IT THERE TO USE THAT AS A SOMEWHAT, SOME KIND OF A PARK? I WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE THIS GREEN SPACE TOO.
WE WOULDN'T WANNA GIVE UP THE WHOLE PIECE, BUT, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE A CONDITION OF REZONING OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE THESE TWO AREAS.
BUT FOR PROTECTION PURPOSE, AGAIN, THEY GOTTA BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO YEAH, THE PROJECT.
I MEAN FOR, FOR ECHO PARK IT WAS DIRECTLY RELATED.
SO THIS CASE, THE, THE CONDITION COULD BE THAT YOU'RE OFFERING THESE PROPERTIES AS OPEN SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA.
IF YOU WANTED DEVELOPED AS A, YOU COULD DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE DIRECTION IS IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, TOWN BOARD SHOULD TALK AND DECIDE IF YOU WANNA PROCEED AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE, AND I SAID I COULD PUT GRAPH LAWS TOGETHER QUICKLY, UH, BASED UPON THE CHANGE TO THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION.
AND THEN WE WOULD DO BOTH THOSE LAWS AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS AMENDING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO C TWO.
OBVIOUSLY THAT C TWO COULD HAVE CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL ALL WOULD GO HAND IN HAND WITH THAT.
SO, UM, SOUNDS LIKE THROUGH THE SUPERVISOR WILL GIVE ME DIRECTION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AND TALK TO THE REST OF THE TOWN BOARD, YOU TO TOWN BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OR IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, LET US KNOW.
YEAH, WE WOULD GLADLY OF MEET WITH ANYONE.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE DOING BETWEEN NOW AND ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN WORK AT TO HELP YOU WITH THIS PROCESS?
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UM, FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NO.UM, YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US A, A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION.
I THINK YOU'VE, UH, CLEARLY STATED, UH, YOUR CASE AND WHAT WESTER BRINGS TO THE TABLE FOR HAMBURG.
BETH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA NO, I, I AGREE.
I THINK THE INFORMATION IS REALLY HELPFUL.
I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND YOU HAVE PROVIDED US WITH A LOT OF, UM, GOOD INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND I, AS YOU SAID, I THINK OUT OF FAIRNESS, I THINK WE, UM, CAN MAKE THE DECISION RELATIVELY QUICKLY SO THAT IT'S, UH, BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE INVOLVED BOTH FROM THE, THE TOWN STANDPOINT AND FROM WEST HURST STANDPOINT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO MAKE, MAKE THAT DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT UM, WHATEVER WE DECIDE, UH, SO THAT WHATEVER DIRECTION WE HEAD IN, IT'S, IT'S MINDFUL AND THAT WE CAN USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
DREW MADE SOME GREAT POINTS THAT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING RE UM, A, A NEW PLAN BEING DEVELOPED AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AREA ANYWAYS, UM, I THINK THIS IS JUST GOING TO GIVE US AN IMPETUS TO REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF THIS PIECE SOONER RATHER THAN, THAN LATER.
AND IT'S GOING TO HELP US MAYBE FORMULATE IN OUR, UM, MINDS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SINCE WE STARTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, WE'VE HAD THE ADDITIONAL FEATURE OF THIS, THE STADIUM RELOCATION AND, AND SO THERE ARE SOME NEW NUANCES THAT WE NEED TO NEED TO CONSIDER AND, AND DEFINITELY THAT AREA WARRANTS THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING, UM, OPTION BECAUSE IT CREATES I THINK OF, OF UM, SOMEWHAT OF ALMOST A BUFFER ZONE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD BE IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, MAYBE MOVING IT UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, FASTER IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
BUT PROBABLY IN THE END THAT'S A GOOD THING.
HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS TOTAL SITE? 13 I OUR, I FORGOT 10 ACRES.
THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING WAY TO GO IF YOU WANNA SKIP A STEP IS BASICALLY REZONE AT THE PUD AND THIS PLAN WOULD REPRESENT THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL WE'D BE FINE WITH THAT APPROACH.
CAN WE STILL HAVE THOSE DESIGN? YOU CHECK THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT WE BROUGHT UP THE OTHER USE ABOUT A RECREATIONAL USE OR AN OPEN SPACE USE.
NOW WE'RE ADDING AT LEAST TWO USES TO THE SITE.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO AMEND THE CODE, YOU BASICALLY JUST REZONE THE SITE.
THE PUD AND THE PLANT THEY PRESENT WOULD BE THE APPROVED PLANT.
I THINK IT'S 10 ACRES IN THE TOWN.
I, IT'S 10 ACRES WOULD BE STILL WAY TO GO WITH THE SECOND USE.
I DON'T DO IT FOR A SINGLE USE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A SECOND USE, LIKE I OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION USE COULD CONSIDER PUD.
PEOPLE ALWAYS THINK PD HAS TO HAVE REC, HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
IT COULD BE A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL USE AND WITH THE PUD WE COULD STILL HAVE DESIGN CRITERIA.
WE HAVE THE DESIGN CRITERIA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK THOSE RIGHT, WE WOULD ADD THOSE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE P.
BUT WHEN YOU DID THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PUD IS THAT THE PLAN ACTUALLY BECOMES THE ZONING.
SO WE WOULD BE STUCK WITH WHAT WE PRESENT YOU IN TERMS OF BUFFERS, ALL THAT.
THEY COULDN'T SELL THE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT FUTURE AND DO OTHER COMMERCIAL USES ON THE SITE.
THE PLAN IS THE PLANET THEN THAT'S GREAT ASSURANCE FOR THE, THE RIGHT RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
I THOUGHT THAT WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE OTHER USE, I'M LIKE OKAY, NOW WE HAVE TWO USES.
IT WOULD BE LIKE THE PEOPLE INC.
MEANING THAT IF SOMEONE CAME BACK 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR 30 YEARS NOW WOULD WANT DIFFERENT USE THEY HAVE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE C PROCESS AGAIN.
WHICH IS MEANS THE TOWN REGULATES IT, RIGHT? THAT'S AN OPTION.
LET ME, LET ME GET YOU A QUICK, I'LL LOOK AT IT TOMORROW AND JUST SUGGEST THAT.
DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING AS FAR AS SEEKER? NO.
WELL WE JUST STILL DO SEEKER ON, ON THE REZONING OF PUD AND THE, AND THIS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO BOTH THE SPECIAL USE BURN LAW, FIGURING OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE SPECIAL USE BURN AND ALL THAT, WE JUST DO THE REZONING OF AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS YOU WANNA PLACE ON THE SECOND USE IS GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING USE RESPECTS.
SO I'LL GET YOU THAT OTHER OPTION TOMORROW SO YOU DON'T KILL YOURSELF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE OTHER ONE.
IF THAT'S AN OPTION YOU WANNA PURSUE, WE COULD DO THAT.
IT'S NOT, DUD IS NEVER SPOT ZONING BECAUSE IT'S THE PLAN REPRESENTS ALL THE ISSUES OF, OF YOU CONSIDERING AND WHY YOU'RE APPROVING THAT PLAN FOR THAT PIECE.
THANKS EVERYONE HAVE GREAT EVENING.
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YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS? I A HANDOUT I'M GONNA PUSH OUT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANNA GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION HANDOUT AS YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS.WELL, NOT AS YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO THE PLANNING BOARD WAS THINKING ABOUT, HEY, WE NEED A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE TO A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.
CURRENTLY THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE A MIXED USE DISTRICT.
TECHNICALLY WE'VE ALLOWED IN THE NC ZONING DISTRICT IN THE TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
AND WE'VE INTERPRETED THE NC DISTRICT IN THE PAST TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO PUT IN A MIXED USE BUILDING IN AN NC ZONING DISTRICT.
VERY LITTLE NC ZONING IN THE TOWN, VERY LITTLE OF IT.
SO EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE TOWN, YOU EITHER HAVE COMMERCIAL OR YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD SAID, HEY, WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WE NEED, WE'RE SEEING IT POP UP ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? BUT DOWN TRANSIT ROAD AND CLARENCE AND AMHERST, EVERYTHING IS COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD WENT SAID TO THEMSELVES, WE'RE GONNA WRITE SOMETHING.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD SPENT ABOUT A YEAR, THEY WROTE A DRAFT LAW AFTER ABOUT A YEAR.
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME HELP WITH THIS THANK YOU.
TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED ME TO HELP FOR A FEW HOURS.
I CHANGED THAT DRAFT LAW THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T CHANGE IT TOO MUCH, BUT JUST PUT IT IN A PROPER ZONING FORMAT.
SO I PUT IT IN A PROPER ZONING FORMAT TO SAY THIS IS A SIMPLE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE, OH, I'M SORRY, THERE ARE VERY COMPLICATED MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CHILD WANTED.
YOU CAN GO TO THE TOWN OF AMHERST.
IT IS I THINK 40, 50 PAGES LONG AS THEIR MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH LOTS OF VISUALS AND WHATEVER.
I THINK YOU WANT IT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID.
JUST A SIMPLE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
MY BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID WAS JUST ON THE UPFRONT PART, THIS IS A FLOATING ZONE.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M CREATING LIKE A PUD, I'M CREATING A MIXED USE DISTRICT WHERE SOMEONE HAS TO COME TO YOU AND APPLY TO GET THAT ZONING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I'M NOT GONNA GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE MIXED USES CAN GO AND WHATEVER.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE DEPENDENT UPON THE PLAN THEY DO.
SO IT'S A FLOATING ZONE THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO A PROPERTY THROUGH A, THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS HAS TO BE A REZONING PROCESS.
SO THE DISTRICT IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I'M SUGGESTING YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING AND PROBABLY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN PULL STUFF FROM THE TOWN OF AMHERST, THE TOWN OF CLANCE.
ALL THE COMMUNITIES HAVE THESE LARGE, VERY COMPLICATED MIXED USE DISTRICT.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE.
UM, UH, WE CAN PULL OUT SOME OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THERE ABOUT MIXED USES, BUT THIS IS THE CODE THAT THEY PROPOSE IN A FORMAT.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT, WE COULD START THE PROCESS AND SEND IT AND GET COMMENTS.
I ALWAYS TELL TOWNS, DON'T BE AFRAID TO START THE PROCESS THAT WAY WE CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, WE CAN HEAR FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND WHATEVER, AND THEN GET INPUT AND THEN AMEND THE LAW.
I'M ALSO NOT WORRIED BECAUSE I'M NOT ATTACHING IT TO ANY, ANY, ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA LET SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I HAVE A GREAT IDEA FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I WANT REZONE MIXED USE SO I CAN DO THIS, THIS, THIS MIXTURE OF USES ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS IN HERE ABOUT WHERE AND HOW IT CAN BE USED, BUT IT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN.
UH, THE HARD PART WAS THE PLANNING BOARD DID, WHERE THEY DECIDED WHAT TYPE OF USES THEY WOULD ALLOW IN THIS MISUSE DISTRICT, THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW, UM, WHAT'S PERMITTED, UM, AND OTHER ONES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS.
THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES.
THEY HAVE BULK REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, LOCK COVERAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, OUR OLD ZONING CODES, THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES ZONING CODES WERE VERY EUCLID.
EVERY BUILDING HAD A SETBACK SO FAR FROM THE ROAD.
EVERY, EVERYTHING HAD LOOKED THE SAME.
THIS IS A LITTLE MORE MODERN TYPE ZONING CODE THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT A LITTLE MORE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE SITE AND SAY, HEY, AS LONG AS YOU APPROVE THIS PLAN, THIS IS KIND OF THE PLAN THAT'S BEING APPROVED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
KIND OF LIKE THE PUD BUT A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE YOU GET MIXED USE BUILDINGS ON IT.
PUDS HARD BECAUSE YOU NEED A MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES.
THIS WOULD BE SOMEONE HAS AN ACRE, A PIECE OF LAND AND WANTED TO DO A MIXED USE BUILDING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THEY COME TO YOU AND GET THE PROPERTY REZONED TO A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF KIND OF THE QUICK SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH MIXED USE ZONING.
SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN KICKING AROUND FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW.
UH, THERE'S A LONG, LONG LIST OF, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS ONE'S FLOATED TO THE TOP.
I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY APROPOS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN WESTERN EUROPE.
THERE'S NOT, I I GO TO ABOUT 15 DIFFERENT TOWNS.
THERE'S PROBABLY EVERY TOWN HAS SOMEBODY TRYING TO DO MIXED USE BUILDING COMBINATION OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL, I MEAN RETAIL AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ENCOURAGING US TO, UH, START THE PROCESS.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE SURE
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YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.AND IF YOU WANT, YOU WOULD JUST PASS A SIMPLE RESOLUTION SAYING WE WANNA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, WE WANNA DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW, WE WANNA REFER TO THE COUNTY AND GET SOME INPUT AFTER YOU GET THAT PUBLIC INPUT AND YOU CAN TWEAK THIS CODE OR ADOPT IT THE WAY IT IS AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO LIKE I SAID, I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TWEAKING ON THE, LIKE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND UH, AND SOME OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THAT MORE MODERN THING.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE PUT IN STUFF THERE LIKE, UH, PUT IN EV CHARGING STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHATEVER, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU COULD ADD INTO THIS.
I ALSO NEED TO DO A LITTLE BETTER JOB.
WE HAD TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE, I FORGET WHAT UH, KIND OF, UH, PROGRAM THEY USED FOR, UH, FOR THEIR DRAFT WALL.
BUT WHEN I TRY TO CONVERT THE WORD, IT KIND OF MESSES THINGS UP IN SPOTS, SWOOSHES WORDS.
THERE'S A COUPLE WORDS IN THERE THAT'S SWOOSH TOGETHER.
SO ANYWAY, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, UH, GIVE ME INPUT.
I'LL GIVE A COUPLE EXTRA COPIES FOR THE OTHER TWO BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ALSO EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY SO THEY HAVE IT AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA DO OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
NOT A BIG OOPS, NOT A BIG HURRY ON THIS ONE.
THERE'S NO ONE KNOCKING AT THE DOOR.
BUT THEY WILL BE COMING SHORTLY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT WITH OUR COMP PLAN.
YEAH, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE RECOMMENDED, BUT I MEANT SAYING THAT IT'S RIGHT.
AND YOU COULD IN THE COMP PLAN, GIVE A LITTLE IDEA OF WHERE, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE AREAS FOR MIXED USE RIGHT AFTER YOU ON SOUTH PARK RIGHT HERE, UH, ON SOUTH PARK, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE.
ALL THOSE AREAS WE WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE ABOUT THE OTHER DAY.
ALL THOSE AREAS THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGING, UH, PRIORITIZING, WALKABILITY AND OTHER THINGS, THOSE ARE PROBABLY AREAS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, FIX YOURSELF.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WALK PEOPLE TO LIVE AND WALK AND, AND GO TO THE BUSINESSES IN THOSE, IN THOSE AREAS.
SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
UM, AS I SAID, I HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, MEG, DID YOU WANNA COME UP AND JOIN US WHILE WE'RE
IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD, UH, OPEN UP DISCUSSION OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO FLAG FOR ANY DISCUSSION IS YOU'LL SEE NUMBER 19 IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING US TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH INTERNATIONAL DELIVERABLES.
AND THAT WAS THE, UM, THE TRAINER, UH, CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING TRAINER, UH, THAT I'VE SHARED WITH, UH, THE BOARD IN THE PAST, THERESA LAWRENCE.
UM, AND SHE WOULD BE WORKING WITH, WITH US AS BOARD MEMBERS TO, UM, UH, TO DO SOME, SOME TRAINING WITH US FOR, UH, A COUPLE HOURS.
AND THEN WOULD THAT BE DURING, UH, WORK SESSIONS? THIS WOULD BE, UM, UH, IT COULD BE DURING A WORK SESSION.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD DO THAT AND, AND BE MINDFUL OF OPEN MEETINGS LAWS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WOULD BE WORKING WITH TRAINING, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SOME KEY STAFF ON, UH, THE, THE FORESIGHT TEAM, UH, TRAINING AS WELL AS CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING TRAINING.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, FIVE SESSIONS, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE OVER THE COURSE OF THIS, THIS SUMMER AND FALL.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO DISCUSS? UH, DO WE HAVE TIME OR NOT? YEAH.
I WAS WAITING FOR AMY KANE TO JOIN US IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
SO, UM, YEAH, LET'S ADJOURN TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO URT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON, UH, TWO PERSONNEL ITEMS AND, UH, ONE POTENTIAL LITIGATION ITEM.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
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TO ORDER TOWN BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 6TH, 2022.I APOLOGIZE FOR OUR LATE START HERE.
WE HAD ADJOURNED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON A COUPLE PERSONNEL AND LITIGATION MATTERS.
COUNCILMAN CONLEY PRESENT, COUNCILWOMAN ERFORD PRESENT AND COUNCILWOMAN FARRELL PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, I STAND, REMOVE YOUR HATS FOR THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME NEW FACES IN THE CROWD AND SOME STUDENTS.
SO LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE IN STORE FOR HERE.
WE'RE GONNA READ, UH, 2122, UH, RESOLUTIONS HERE THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA VOTE ON SOME OF THEM WE MAY DISCUSS AFTER THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
WE WILL OPEN UP THE MEETING TO ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO ASK FOR REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AS WELL AS TOWN BOARD MEMBERS.
AND THESE MEETINGS USUALLY LAST ABOUT 30, 35 MINUTES, BUT I'M NOT MAKING ANY PROMISES.
UM, WE'LL START WITH, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER THREE IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS FIRST DONE.
SO, UH, CLERK BUDINSKI, COULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR US? PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 23RD, 2022, PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 4, 20 22 SAID LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR THE AMENDMENT OF LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 19 86, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING AND PROVIDES SUBSTANTIALLY AS FOLLOWS, THAT 65 50 HEALTH ROAD BE REZONED FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO RA RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE STATUTES AND THE PROVISIONS OF MUNICIPAL HOME LAW, TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 6TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM AT WHICH TIME ALL INTERESTED PERSONS MAY BE HEARD.
SO HERE WE ARE, JUNE 6TH AT SEVEN 15, AND WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST.
I RESIDE AT 6 5 5 0 HEALTH ROAD AND I'M REQUESTING THE ZONING SO THAT MY PROPERTY IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR USAGE IS TO BE.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SIR, I'M, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF LAKE SHORE LITTLE LEAGUE.
UM, OUR LEASE IS DUE NEXT YEAR, SO I'D LIKE TO GET THE BALL ROLLING, UM, FOR A NEW LEASE.
I'M A LONG TIME PRESIDENT OF
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS FOR AGAINST? ALL RIGHT.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MINGEY.
RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS FOLLOWS.
MAY 23RD, 2022 TOWN BOARD REGULAR MEETING.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY.
WHERE A STATE FARM IS CELEBRATING ITS 100TH ANNIVERSARY IN 2022.
AND WHEREAS A STATE FARM WAS FOUNDED IN THE UNITED STATES ON THE 7TH OF JUNE IN THE YEAR 1922 BY GJ MERCER, A FARMER FROM MYRNA, ILLINOIS.
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AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE POSITIVE IMPACT THE COMPANY AND ITS AGENTS HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY AS THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF CUSTOMERS IN NEW YORK SINCE DECEMBER 28TH, 1951.NOW THEREFORE, BEING RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 7TH, 2022 AS STATE FARM DAY IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
THE BOARD CALLS UPON THE RESIDENTS OF HAMBURG TO OBSERVE THIS DAY BY DEMONSTRATING WHAT A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS ALL ABOUT THROUGH ACTS OF KINDNESS AND MAKING PEOPLE FEEL WELCOME.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, UH, THE TOWN BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED JULY 22ND TO DECEMBER 22ND.
UM, BEING RESOLVED, THE HAM TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE FOLLOWING TOWN BOARD MEETING DATES FOR 2022.
MONDAY, JULY 18TH, MONDAY, AUGUST 15TH, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH.
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST.
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH AND MONDAY DECEMBER 19TH.
UH, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL AMEND IT.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
AND THE QUESTION ON OCTOBER 10TH, WE ARE CLOSED.
UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO STRIKE MONDAY, OCTOBER 10TH.
AND THEN, UH, DID WE REPLACE THAT WITH A DIFFERENT DATE? MICHELLE? WAS THAT THE FOLLOWING SUGGESTION WAS THE 17TH.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADD OCTOBER 17TH, UM, THERE WOULD BE TWO MEETINGS BACK TO BACK.
HOWEVER, UM, THAT'S RUNNING RIGHT UP INTO, UH, BUDGET APPROVAL SEASON.
SO I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO KEEP THOSE TWO MEETINGS IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND UM, AND THEN I KNOW HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD, UH, ONE MEETING IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.
UH, WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO, UH, MEET ON DECEMBER 19TH OR DECEMBER 5TH OR IN THE MIDDLE? UH, ARE WE, DO WE KNOW THE COURT SCHEDULE? DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR NOT? UM, YEAH, WE COULD, YEAH, THE 12TH WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
'CAUSE THE, THAT'S THE SECOND WEEK AND THEN THAT WOULDN'T BE A CONFLICT WITH COURT, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO WE WILL AMEND, UH, DELETE OCTOBER 10TH, REPLACED WITH OCTOBER 17TH, DELETE DECEMBER FIVE AND DECEMBER 19, REPLACE WITH DECEMBER 12TH.
UH, AND I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO AMEND.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
YOU RESOLVE WITH THE PARTNER OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES REQUEST SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THIS HALOS
THE ATTACHED ADDENDUM OUTLINES THE TWO AREAS TO BE BE UPDATED.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
HE RESOLVED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES REQUEST SUPERVISE TO SIGN THE HILBERT COLLEGE FACILITY.
USE CONTRACT TO ALLOW THE PERFORMING ARTS RECREATION PROGRAM TO TAKE PLACE IN THE DIFFERENT AUDITORIUMS AT GILBERT COLLEGE FROM JULY 25TH THROUGH AUGUST 12TH, 2022, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
THIS NEXT ONE IS THE A DA THAT'S BACK WHERE IS ON MAY 9TH, 2022.
THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR 80 A ACCESSIBILITY MODIFICATIONS HAMBURG TOWN HALL AND WHEREAS THE BIDS WERE LET, WERE LET OUT ON MAY 13TH, 2022 AND OPENED ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1ST, 2022 WITH THE FOLLOWING FIRM SUBMITTING BID MGR $165,400
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AND 34 GROUP $213.NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAN TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE CONTRACT BUY IN BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND MGR FOR THE A DA ACCESSIBILITY MODIFICATIONS.
HAMBURG TOWN HALL PROJECT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE WITHIN CD 4 7 8 6 6 2 0.362 AND THE PROGRAM INCOME ACCOUNT.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL COUNCIL OR SUPERVISOR HOLWELL FOR A SECOND.
RESOLVED TOWN HAMBURG TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BANK RECONCILIATION POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AS WRITTEN AND ATTACHED.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CFER.
WHEREAS THE INDEPENDENT AUDITORS HAVE RECOMMENDED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT REQUEST A BLANKET RESOLUTION TO ALLOW FOR ANY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED FOR THE CLOSING YEAR END 2021 INFORMATION BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZES THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE NECESSARY BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AND INTERFUND TRANSFERS AND TO FURNISH A COPY OF SET ADJUSTMENTS TO THE TOWN SUPERVISOR WHEN COMPLETED.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE HIRING OF ROBERT WONDER ON A CONTRACT BASIS FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
THERE PAY IS SET AT $45 PER HOUR TO BE PAID, PAID OUT OF ACCOUNT A 1 3 5 5 0.440.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAM CURRENTLY HAS TWO DOMAINS.
TOWN OF HAM NEW YORK.COM AND THPD AND Y.ORG.
AND WHEREAS THESE DOMAINS DO NOT PORTRAY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND B, IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE CHANGING OF A TOWN OF HAMBURG'S DOMAINS TO A SINGLE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT DOMAIN OF TOWN OF HAMBURG NEW YORK.GOV.
THIS WOULD UPGRADE THE TOWN'S WEBSITE ADDRESS AND TOWN EMPLOYEE EMAIL ADDRESSES TO LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL AND LEGITIMATE.
THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S NEW OFFICIAL WEBSITE ADDRESS WWW.TOWNOFHAMBURGNY.GOV.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED AT THIS CHANGE TAKE EFFECT ON JUNE 7TH, 2022.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
HE RESOLVED ITS TOWN BOARD APPROVED DETERMINATION IN HIRING A PERSONNEL FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES.
UH, AS FOR THE ATTACHMENT, MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
WHEREAS THE TON OF HAM RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DEBORAH TI TO ZO PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 19 HEALTH ROAD FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO RA RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND WHEREAS THE HEMBRY TOWN BOARD IN ACCORDANCE TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, CRA HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND BE IT FURTHER RESULTS ALL THAT THE SUPERVISOR BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
WHERE THE TIME OF FAMILY RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DEBORAH KTI TO REONE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 19 HEZ ROAD FROM C TWO TO RA, WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE REZONING REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED ON MAY 4TH, 2022 THAT THE REZONING REQUEST BE APPROVED AND WHEREAS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON MAY 23RD, 2022.
AND WHEREAS AMBRY TOWN BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND HAS ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THE REZONING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HEREBY REZONES OF PROPERTY IDENTIFIED BELOW FROM C TWO
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TO RA BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE ZONING CODE OF THE HAM TOWN OF HAMBURG BE AMENDED AS FOLLOWS, TO AMEND LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 OF THE YEAR, 1986 OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING TO PROVIDE FOR A CHANGE IN THIS BOUNDARY OF THE ZONING ACT WHEREBY THE ZONING HAS CHANGED FROM C TWO TO RA FOR THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED BY SBL NUMBER 1 94 0 3 DASH FOUR ZERO.SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD.
WE RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD TO APPROVE THE HIRING AND TERMINATION OF THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEES IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT AS LISTED.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
HE RESOLVED WITH THE
MR. LARGO'S APPOINTMENT IS EFFECTIVE JUNE 7TH, 2022 WITH A PART-TIME RATE OF $35 AND 59 CENTS PER HOUR NOT TO EXCEED 19 HOURS PER WEEK, WHICH IS THE SAME RATE USED IN 2021 FOR THAT POSITION.
THE HAMMER TOWN BOARD APPROVED A TEMPORARY PART-TIME HIRING OF JASON COARD TO ASSIST WITH THE STORM WATER OUTFALL INSPECTIONS WITHIN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
MR. COLLAR'S APPOINTMENT IS EFFECTIVE JUNE 7TH, 2022 WITH A PART-TIME RATE OF $32 AND 43 CENTS PER HOUR NOT TO EXCEED 19 HOURS PER WEEK.
THAT IS ALSO THE SAME RATE USED IN 2021 FOR THAT POSITION.
FUNDS AVAILABLE IN A 14 41 0 2 AND THE TOTAL FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $20,000.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
RESOLVED THE TO BOARD OF THE TONGUE OF GRANTS SUPERVISOR PERMISSION TO CONTRACT WITH INTERNATIONAL DELIVERABLES.
LLCA NEW YORK STATE CERTIFIED WOMEN BUSINESS ENTERPRISE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND DEBRIEF OF FORESIGHT AND THE DELIVERY OF A FIVE PART CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING TRAINING PROGRAM FOR A COST OF $28,750 TRANSFER FUNDS FROM A POINT 1994.
19 A 19 74 92 PROJECT DELIVERABLES AND FEES ATTACHED YEAR TO SO MOVED.
SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HOAX.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY.
FINALLY, WE HAVE, UH, UH, RE BE RESOLVED AT THE TOWN BOARD.
APPROVE THE TOWN BOARD AUDIT CASH DISBURSEMENTS FOR JUNE 6TH, 2022.
TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENTS SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL.
NOW THAT OPENS THINGS UP TO, UH, BUSINESS FROM THE FLOOR AND I KNOW WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT LAKESHORE LITTLE LEAGUE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT COMING UP, UH, TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THIS, BUT ANYWAYS, OUR LEASES DUE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SEASON NEXT YEAR, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO START WORKING ON THAT NOW AND TRY TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE WE START PLANNING FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT, WE QUICKLY APPRECIATE IT, APPRECIATED.
AND THIS IS A, A LEASE FOR, FOR WHICH PROPERTY? PROPERTY? UM, IT'S DUE IN JUNE OF 2023, WHICH WOULD BE IN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SEASON.
THE ORIGINAL LEASE WAS A HUNDRED YEARS.
THE BOARD AND 73 RENEGOTIATE FOR 50, AND NOW WE'RE AT THAT 50.
SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE LEASE, THE ARRANGEMENT.
UM, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT IT WITH THE, UH, LAST TOWN ATTORNEY, SO I'LL BRING IT UP, I'LL BRING LEASE UP TO SPEED AND WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU TO TRY TO GET IT, UH, DONE.
WE CAN COME BACK WITH, UM, ANY UPDATES AND SO WE ARE AWARE OF IT AND, UM, LISA, OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE WORKING WITH US ON IT.
UM, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH, WITH, WAS IT YOU THAT, UH, WELL, I, I THINK THE SUPERVISOR, UM, AND MYSELF, UM, AND THEN, AND LISA, THE THREE OF US AT THIS POINT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE BEST CONTEXT.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING LEASE.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW LONG WE WANNA EXTEND IT FOR.
UM, I MEAN, I IT SHOULD BE A PRETTY,
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I WOULDN'T IMAGINE IT WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD.SO YOU'RE GENERALLY, YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT TERMS OF, OF THE LEASE? UH, YEAH.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOTHING LIKE MAJOR.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA MAKE MODERN THE LEASE THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLY, BUT, UH, OTHERS I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD HOW WE ADD IT.
WELL I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO THE TOWN BOARD MEETING AND FLAGGING IT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON OUR RADAR.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRETTY URGENT.
WE JUST, WE WANNA GET THINGS ROLLING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HICCUPS IN OUR, OUR SEASON OR BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, BECAUSE WE JUST LIKE TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS FROM THE FLOOR AND WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH JENNY TODAY.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE DOMAIN CHANGE.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT CHANGE FOR THE TOWN AND, UM, OFFICIALLY HAVING A.GOV, UM, DOMAIN ATTACHED TO IT, I THINK IS GONNA BE, UM, GREAT UPGRADE.
THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT.
AND IT'S, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT HEADS, MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GETTING NEW BUSINESS CARDS AND FLYERS AND ALL THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPDATE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
HOWEVER, THE GOOD NEWS IS, UM, ANY OF THING THAT MIGHT BE COMING TO OUR OLD ADDRESSES WILL BE STILL CONTINUING FOR THE TIME BEING ANYWAYS.
UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THE GROUP THAT YOU HIRED TONIGHT, UH, MGR ALSO GONNA BID FOR THE BATHROOM.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A NICE CONTINUITY AND BE ABLE TO GO FOR ONE PROJECT TO THE NEXT AND SAVE A COUPLE MONTHS TIME.
UM, JUST GETTING READY, UH, FOR THE SUMMER SEASON.
UM, OUR SUMMER PROGRAM START LAST, UH, MONDAY OF THE MONTH, SO WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THAT WITH DAY CAN AND, YOU KNOW, UH, BASKETBALL, TENNIS, SWIMMING AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
ENGINEERING, JUST GETTING READY FOR THE BUSY PART OF THE SEASON.
AND THE, UH, NEW PARTTIME HELP.
THE, UH, THE ROOKIES SHOULD HELP US OUT.
UM, WE'RE JUST, UM, FINISHING UP DEALING WITH SOME DRAIN ISSUES, UM, OVER ON COLUMBIA AND THEN DOWN TO FIVE.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK WE CAN GET A LOT OF THAT RESOLVED AND I CAN MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO KEEP A LOT OF YOUR ALRIGHT.
UH, FINANCE, NOTHING TO REPORT LEGAL.
NOTHING TO REPORT CLERK, NOTHING TO REPORT.
UH, JUST A THANK YOU TO EVERYONE AND EACH ORGANIZATION THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE, UH, MAY TOWN BEAUTIFICATION MONTH THAT WAS SPONSORED BY OUR REJUVENATION, UM, COMMITTEE.
AND THANK YOU TO THEM FOR ORGANIZING IT.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED.
UH, JUST WANTED TO SEND A THANK YOU TO BIG TREE FIRE HALL FOR INVITING US TO BE PART OF THEIR MEMORIAL SERVICE TO RECOGNIZE THEIR MEMBERSHIP THAT THEY LOST THIS YEAR AND HAVE DEDICATED THEIR TIME TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY IN SUCH A KIND AND GENEROUS WAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING US IN THAT, UM, CEREMONY AND SERVICE.
IT WAS NICE TO BE A PART OF IT.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO TO SAY A A A GENERAL THANK YOU, UH, TO, UH, A LOT OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT, UH, MAKE THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN HAPPEN HERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A SCREENING COMMITTEE FOR SOME POSITIONS.
WE HAVE SOME VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS.
WE HAVE AN ACTIVE YOUTH RECREATION, SENIOR SERVICES BOARD, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BOARD, VETERANS BOARD.
UM, I'M, I SHOULDN'T HAVE STARTED NAMING THEM BECAUSE I'M GONNA FORGET SOME MM-HMM
UH, BUT THESE BOARDS ARE ALL MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND ARE GIVING OF THEIR TIME, UH, TO, TO MAKE THEIR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
UH, SO I'VE REALLY FELT THEIR IMPACT IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS BECAUSE, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT HELP TO, TO MY OFFICE AND TO THIS TOWN BOARD.
SO, UH, TO THOSE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE MAKING THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE TOWN, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I'LL OPEN IT ONE MORE TIME FOR ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FLOOR.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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TO ADJOURN.AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M.