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DISCUSS TODAY, WE'RE GOING JUMP BACK INTO THE BUDGET, BUT FIRST, UH, BASED ON  WE HAD LAST, UH, JILL  IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES REORGANIZATION ON THE IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET. 
          SURE. 
          UH, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE ME TO START, OR I EMAILED, UH, EVERYBODY THE ORG CHART AND THE WAGE SCALE. 
          DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE I BEGAN? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART WAS CURRENT BEFORE THE SHIP AND CHANGE. 
          UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE AN, AN UPDATED ONE, WHICH YOU'RE PROPOS THIS ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, THIS IS GONNA BE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ONCE WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN PLACE. 
          UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. 
          SO DID YOU NOT GET THIS ONE? I, YOU SAID YOU HAD, UM, YOU SENT OUT WHAT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS, OH, NO, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAD THE OPEN LINES THERE AND THEY WERE STILL CURRENTLY WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SO THAT, AND YOU HADN'T MADE THE SHIFT WITH, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE OLD VERSION. 
          OH NO, THIS IS WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE ONCE EVERYBODY'S IN PLACE. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS WAS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE, HOPING I DIDN'T, I PUT THE WRONG ONE IN THERE. 
          IS THIS WHAT YOU HAVE HAVE WHERE LIKE THE VACANTS WOULD BE MOVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WELL, THESE, THIS WOULD BE, THESE ARE THE TWO VACANTS RIGHT HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY WON'T BE MOVING. 
          THIS IS LIKE OUR NEW, WE'RE TRYING TO, UM,  SECTION. 
          SO, SO I CAN EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, UM, I TRIED TO COLOR CODE IT SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE DEPARTMENT PREVIOUSLY WAS THREE DIFFERENT, IT WAS THE YOUTH BUREAU, THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT IN SENIOR SERVICES. 
          SO ON YOUR FAR, UM, LEFT WOULD BE YOUR TAN, I GUESS. 
          UM, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE YOUTH TO BRING BACK, LIKE THE YOUTH BUREAU OR EVEN PROGRAMMING. 
          UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS TWO CONTRACTED POSITIONS. 
          UM, DISCUSSION WA HAD BEEN, UH, BROUGHT UP AT THE BUDGET MEETING THAT IF THAT THE CONTRACT INDIVIDUAL WAS GOING TO RETIRE, WHICH WE WERE INFORMED AFTER THAT, THAT SHE WAS TO BRING HER POSITION AT, IN AS A TOWN POSITION, WHICH WE DID, AS WELL AS BRING ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL TO FOCUS ON REALLY, UM, GETTING EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER WITH THE YOUTH PORTION OF OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          REALLY FOCUS ON, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE  COMMUNITY GRANT, UM, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, ALL THAT STUFF FOR YOUTH LEADERSHIP TRAINING, CAREER SKILLS TRAINING, LIFESTYLE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET BACK TO. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, SO THOSE TWO POSITIONS WE'RE CURRENTLY INTERVIEWING FOR. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME PHENOMENAL CANDIDATES. 
          I'M, I'M ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE INTERVIEWING FOR THE ONE EXISTING POSITION THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, THE ONE THE CONTRACT INDIVIDUAL? YES. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE RETIREE, CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT THE HOPE IS IS EITHER TO HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL START, UM, AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THAT WAS, UH, WHAT THE BOARD WISHED OR IF POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE THEM FOR A MONTH OVERLAP. 
          UM, SO THAT THE CONTRACT INDIVIDUAL COULD EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DONE, GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF, OF YOUTH THAT ARE CURRENTLY VOLUNTEERING, JUST ALL THE SUPPLIES AND KIND OF HAVE SORT OF A TRANSITION, UM, SINCE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN HAVING IT BE AN IN-HOUSE EMPLOYEE. 
          MY THOUGHT WAS IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO HAVE SOME OVERLAP ON THOSE TWO. 
          BUT I THINK EITHER WAY, UM, EITHER OF THE INDIVIDUALS, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH WHATEVER START DATE. 
          UM, SO YOU WOULD BE INTRODUCED, YOU WOULD BE INTRODUCING THIS, UM, INCREASE WITH THE CURRENT YES. 
          PERSON THAT'S BEING INCREASED. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE INTRODUCED NOW AND AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD YOU WOULD COME BACK AND WE WOULD POSSIBLY ADD THE, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL POSITION. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE ADDING TWO POSITIONS NOW. 
          I WOULD BE ADDING THEM NOW AND IT WOULD SAY, UM, ACTUALLY BUDGET NEUTRAL. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REPLACE THE CONTRACT INDIVIDUAL AS WELL AS LIKE PUT A, A SENIOR, MORE SENIOR PERSON ON TO KIND OF GET THAT SECTION OF THE DEPARTMENT REALLY BACK UP AND RUNNING. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN USED TO HAVE A SEPARATE YOUTH BUREAU YEARS AGO THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A PART OF MY LANGUAGE, BUT ANNIHILATED , UM, AND THEN LEFT JUST TWO CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, ACTUALLY ONE AND A HALF BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONTRACT EMPLOYEES ALSO WORKS WITH THE SCHOOL. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING OUT ON A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, ASPECTS OF OUR, OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE YOUTH. 
          SO I REALLY WANT AN INDIVIDUAL IN THAT POSITION WHO IS STRONG, WHO HAS LEADERSHIP SKILLS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DAR CREEK COMMUNITY GRANT. 
          THAT'S A VERY LARGE, 
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UH, LIFT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE $125,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          THIS INDIVIDUAL WILL BE THE ONE MANAGING THAT AS WELL AS MANAGING THE STAFF THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH THAT. 
          UM, WHO WOULD, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? WHERE IS THIS SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR SURE. 
          YES. 
          UM, ACTUALLY WE, UH, IN CHEEK DUA, WE ACTUALLY GOT THE MONEY THIS YEAR. 
          WE APPLIED FOR, UM, THE DRUG FREE COMMUNITY FUNDING, WHICH IS NOW THROUGH, UM, THE CDC. 
          IT USED TO BE THROUGH OASIS. 
          AND NOW THAT IT'S THROUGH THE CDC, THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN A MUCH STRONGER FOCUS ON LIKE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS WITH, AS WELL AS DRUG PREVENTION. 
          UM, SO WE ARE REBUILDING THE COALITION, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK MM-HMM . 
          UM, WE'RE REBUILDING THE COALITION, TRYING TO GET THE 12 SECTORS, UM, AND WORK WITH THE PREVENTION RESOURCE CENTER TO DO SURVEYS IN BOTH DISTRICTS IN TOWN. 
          UM, THERE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEYS, WHICH THAT DATA WOULD THEN BE USED TO SHOW WHAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON IN ORDER TO, FOR THIS GRANT WHEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED. 
          UM, WE WOULD'VE THAT DATA ON WORKING WITH THE SROS FROM HAMBURG AND FRONTIER TO GATHER DATA FOR, UM, JUST DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS OR ARRESTS THAT THEY'VE HAD IN RELATION TO, YOU KNOW, DRUG RELATED OR, UM, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, LIKE VAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO WE CAN KIND OF REALLY GET A GOOD OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. 
          AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO THE NARCAN TRAINING RECENTLY, UM, FOUND OUT THAT HAMBURG IS ONE OF THE AREAS IN, IN ERIE COUNTY THAT HAS THE HIGHEST OVERDOSE RATE. 
          SO THAT WAS EXTREMELY STARTLING. 
          I GOTTA SAY, COMING FROM CHEEK DOG, I'M FINDING OUT HAMBURG'S OVERDOSE RATE IS HIGHER THAN OURS. 
          UM, AS WELL AS THE FEDEX RIGHT UP THE STREET, UM, IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LARGEST, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'D CALL IT, WHERE THE MOST DRUGS ARE ACTUALLY FILED IN THROUGH THAT ARE MAIL ORDER, UM, THE ONE RIGHT UP THE STREET HERE. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S, EVEN THOUGH I ALWAYS FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT, I FEEL NOW THAT THOSE, UH, STATISTICS ARE OUT THERE, IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO CLOSE TO THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S GONNA REALLY BE, UM, KIND OF IN OUR KIDS' FACE. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANT THIS INDIVIDUAL FOCUS ON AS WELL AS LEADERSHIP. 
          UM, SO WE I CAN RECORD. 
          SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE 120,000, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THIS IS PREDICATED ON THE HOPE THAT WE, THE HOPE GET NO, THE, THE, THE, UM, 125 WOULD PAY FOR EVERYTHING. 
          LIKE WHEN I SPEAK OF A POSITION, ANOTHER POSITION FOR THE GRANT, ALL THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE GRANT. 
          THIS PERSON WOULD JUST, THEY WOULDN'T SPECIFICALLY DO THAT MANAGEMENT, BUT IT'D BE ONE OF THEIR MAIN DUTIES. 
          AND IT WOULD BE CURRENTLY BE BUILDING UP THE COALITION, GATHERING THE DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSESSING DIFFERENT, UH, NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY BY SURVEYS, BY, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND HOW WOULD THIS IN INDIVIDUAL THEN INTERFACE WITH THE DISTRICTS WHO DO A LOT OF THEIR OWN SURVEYS, SOME OF THE SAME SURVEYS, AND ALSO HOW WOULD THIS PERSON INTERFACE WITH, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK THROUGH THE BUDGET, UM, $60,000 THAT'S GOING TO BE SPENT FOR A SOCIAL WORKER. 
          YES. 
          I'M THRILLED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE A LOT OF THINGS AND WHAT WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT THERE'S NOT AN OVERLAP DUPLICATE, YEAH. 
          DUPLICATION OF SERVICES. 
          I AGREE COMPLETELY. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THIS INDIVIDUAL WOULD WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS. 
          THERE'S ALREADY, UM, I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT HAMBURG DOES THEIR OWN, UH, SURVEYS EVERY TWO YEARS, WHICH WE CAN USE THESE. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S THE YOUTH RISK SOMETHING, SIR. 
          IT IS NOT THE SAME ONE THAT THE PRC USES, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY USE THAT DATA IN THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, FOR THIS GRANT, IT'S JUST GONNA BOLSTER IT. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA BE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          MY HOPE WITH THAT POSITION, UM, WHEN I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I I HEARD ABOUT IT, IS THAT THERE WE WILL SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO HAVE A VERY, UM, CLEAR LINE BETWEEN THAT INDIVIDUAL IN MY DEPARTMENT. 
          BECAUSE IF THERE ARE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ANYBODY THAT MY DEPARTMENT TOUCHES, WHETHER IT BE AN OTHER INDIVIDUAL, A FAMILY MEMBER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN ASSIST WITH, UM, CONNECTING OR TOUCHING BASE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL OR THEIR FAMILY, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT PIECE BECAUSE ONE PERSON JUST CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. 
          SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF HAVE, UM, THEM WORK REALLY CLOSELY TOGETHER, I'D BE ALL FOR IT. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOLS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WHAT WE FIND FREQUENTLY, AS YOU I'M SURE ARE AWARE THAT SOMETIMES MORE IS NOT NECESSARILY BETTER, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT COORDINATED AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YES. 
          PEOPLE COMING AT, YOU KNOW, FROM MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          AGAIN, IF THERE'S THAT, THAT COORDINATION. 
          UM, AND THEN, SO WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO, RATHER THAN ADDING ON TWO, I KNOW ONE IS AN INCREASE AND THEN ONE'S A NEW POSITION. 
          WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN DOING THIS IN A PRONGED OR PHASED APPROACH WHERE YOU TOOK THE YES, UM, POSITION UP THAT TO FULL-TIME, 
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WAITED TO SEE IF YOU GOT THE GRANT STARTED TO PUT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES IN PLACE, AND THEN LOOKED AT WHAT THE NEED WAS DOWN THE ROAD, RATHER THAN ADDING BOTH POSITIONS RIGHT UP FRONT? WELL, ACTUALLY THESE WOULDN'T BE THE ADDED POSITIONS. 
          THE POSITION THAT WAS ADDED WAS ACTUALLY THE CLERK TYPIST, UM, POSITION. 
          SO THESE EXISTED, RIGHT, THE CURRENT SPECIALISTS IN THE CER? CORRECT. 
          BUT SO, UM, SO THOSE WERE JUST REPLACING THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEFT AND SHIFTING THEIR DUTIES. 
          UM, THE CLERK TYPE IS ONE, IT IS JUST THE ONE THAT WAS ADDED FOR MORE SUPPORT DUE TO THE INFLUX AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD TO DO THE ACCOUNTING SHEETS, WE HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ADMINISTRATION REGISTRATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS THE ADDITION. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THEY'RE BOTH VACANT AND POSSIBLY WE COULD, UM, WE COULD EVEN PHASE IN. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY RATHER PHASE IN THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS THE SENIOR INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED MORE TRAINING AND THEY'LL PROBABLY NEED MORE, UM, TIME TO REALLY GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND THEN BRING THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL ON. 
          IF I DID DO IT, I'M OPEN TO THAT. 
          I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD THINKS IS REASONABLE. 
          UM, I GUESS I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED AND WANNA GET EVERYBODY IN TO GET GOING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NOT MAYBE MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH. 
          SO, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I ADDED UP, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT WAS BUDGET NEUTRAL. 
          I DID SEE WHERE THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE OVERALL WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, STAFFING CHANGES. 
          WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS, THE WAGE SCHEDULE THAT YOU SENT US. 
          SO ACTUALLY, UM, BASED ON WHAT I SAW FROM THE BUDGET, THERE WAS RETURN PREVIOUSLY ABOUT LIKE 60,000 OR MORE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I SAID IT'S KIND OF BUDGET NEUTRAL. 
          'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR'S, IT'S UNDER THAT 60,000. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT MIGHT BE LOWER NOW, BUT IT WON'T BE LOWER GOING FORWARD YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          CORRECT. 
          LOOK, SO IT'S REALLY NOT BUDGET MUTUAL PER SE. 
          WELL, FOR THE YEAR, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          BUT THE INTENT IS ALSO TO BRING IN EXTRA FUNDING, OUTSIDE FUNDING AS WELL AS INCREASED REVENUE. 
          LIKE I FULLY INTEND TO BRING BACK ALL THE SENIOR PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WITH COVID. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PROFITABLE IF YOU DON'T NEED AS MANY STAFF MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO RUN THOSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY CHARGE NOMINAL FEES FOR, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE STAFFING TO DO. 
          UM, THE INTENT IS, IS TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE HAVE THESE POSITIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS WITH 'EM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE THINKING. 
          SO THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND AND I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, REALLY THE FOCUS WAS KIND OF GETTING EVERYBODY GOING AND KIND OF TRYING TO, UM, FULLY MERGE THE DEPARTMENTS FIRST. 
          'CAUSE I THINK UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY MERGED IN, IT WAS 2010, UM, THEY WERE GIVEN CONTROL OF WOOD LONG BEACH. 
          SO THEY NEVER REALLY, TRULY GOT THE CHANCE TO MERGE BECAUSE THEY WERE PULLED IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. 
          SO I REALLY WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON TURNING THE DEPARTMENT INTO MORE OF A DEPARTMENT, A COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT, SO THE TOWN RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND WE WE'RE SERVICING EVERYONE. 
          WE'RE LITERALLY SERVICING PEOPLE FROM AGE ZERO TO A HUNDRED. 
          AND I WANT THEM TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I WANT MY STAFF TO BE VERY VISIBLE, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UM, VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE IN WHAT THEY OFFER, WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND JUST HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, BE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, FOR THE TOWN AS A WHOLE AS WELL, NOT THE DEPARTMENT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? JILL, CAN YOU SPEAK BRIEFLY ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE THAT, THAT SELECTED YOU? UM, SURE. 
          BASICALLY CAME TO CONCLUSION THAT ONE OF THE AREAS WE THOUGHT COULD BE IMPROVED IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL DEPARTMENT IS THE YOUTH SIDE OF IT. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE INTERVIEWS WITH THE EMPLOYEES, THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND IT SEEMED TO HAVE A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR CONCLUSION ON YOUR PART. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE SOME OF THIS SHIFTING IS, UM, REALLY JUST TAKING THE SAME RESOURCES, UH, THE SAME, UH, EMPLOYEES AND JUST SHIFTING SLIGHTLY TO A MORE OF A YOUTH FOCUS AND, UH, A HYBRID WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UH, BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN IN THE PAST. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO CAN YOU SPEAK ON ALL THAT? SURE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT INTERVIEWED WERE ON SOME OF, UH, THE BOARDS THAT THE TOWN HAS, AND THEY DID MENTION THAT IN HAVING KNOWN THE YOUTH BUREAU AND WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS EXTREMELY, UM, RESOURCEFUL. 
          THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY JUST REALLY FELT THAT, UM, THAT REALLY WAS LATCHING IN THE YOUTH PORTION OF IT. 
          THEY, THEY FELT LIKE THE FOCUS IS MORE ON RECREATION, UM, YOU KNOW, SPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          LESS ON THE, THE 
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LEADERSHIP, THE MENTAL HEALTH, THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT PIECE. 
          SO THEY REALLY WANTED THAT TO KIND OF BE BOLSTERED, UM, IN, IN THE DEPARTMENT AND KIND OF BROUGHT BACK. 
          SO THERE'S MORE OF A BALANCE, UM, WITH ALL THREE OF THE PRONGS OF THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE ARE A DECENT AMOUNT OF YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING INTO THE TOWN, UM, AND THEY UNDERSTAND OBVI AND WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING, THEY UNDERSTAND EVEN MORE SO NOW THE NEED FOR KIDS TO HAVE CERTAIN PROTECTIVE FACTORS, TO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPROPRIATE MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING OR THEM TO HAVE IT THEMSELVES, TO HAVE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP OPTIONS TO GIVE THEM SELF CONFIDENCE, SELF-AWARENESS, UM, TO HAVE JUST SOCIALIZATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING THE KIDS BACK TOGETHER, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WE WANT TO MAKE THE S PROGRAM EVEN MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE MORE, NOT JUST VOLUNTEERING, THEY HAVE SOCIALS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO RESUME, UM, BUILDING WORKSHOPS. 
          THEY CAN DO DIFFERENT LIFE SKILLS, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOPS, THINGS THAT THE KIDS AREN'T GETTING THAT I UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOLS ARE VERY TAXED. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD OFFER TO WRAP AROUND WHERE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DUPLICATING THE SERVICE. 
          WE'RE GIVING THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT OTHER PEOPLE ONCE WERE ABLE TO DO BUT AREN'T ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AS WELL AS, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE YOUTH BECAUSE, UH, IF WE'RE JUST SEEING THEM PERIODICALLY AND WE'RE JUST SEEING THEM WHERE IT'S MORE OF, YOU KNOW, A COACHING OR A, YOU KNOW, ONE SHOT DEAL OR EVEN EIGHT WEEKS, WE WANT IT TO BE MORE CONTINUOUS. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE BE SO THAT WE REALLY GET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUTH ARE GOING THROUGH AT SPECIFIC TIMES, HOW WE CAN ASSIST BEST WITH THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS, IF WE CAN EVEN SEND THEM, YOU KNOW, OTHER RESOURCES THAT THEY, THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL OF, UM, BRINGING, BALANCING OUT THE YOUTH PORTION WITH THE RECREATION. 
          AND THIS YEAR, SO, UM, WHAT I'M SEEING, JUST AS I LOOKED THROUGH THE, THE, THE BUDGET LINES THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER MM-HMM . 
          RELATED TO REGULATION OR TO THE YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES, UH, UNDER PROGRAMS FOR AGING. 
          UH, AND NOW THIS IS FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME LINES, OVERTIME AND PART-TIME AS WELL. 
          UH, A REDUCTION OF $81,698 PERSONNEL SERVICES IN THE ADULT DAYCARE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A REDUCTION OF $38,927. 
          ARE YOU SPEAKING ON REGISTER OF THE PART-TIME OR THE FULL-TIME? THE PART-TIME. 
          JUST OVERALL THIS IS, OKAY. 
          THIS, THIS IS JUST, JUST BUDGET LINE BY BUDGET LINE RECREATION ADMINISTRATION, UH, A REDUCTION IN $67,768 MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND THEN THE, UH, ONE COST CENTER THAT IS AN INCREASE AS WE DISCUSSED, IS YOU CORRECT. 
          IT'S AN INCREASE $94,008. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OVERALL IMPACT OF, OF 90 A REDUCTION OF 94,000 UNLESS THERE'S, UH, AN AREA THAT I'M MISSING. 
          SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET, AND I'M NOT SURE, UM, YOU KNOW HOW I JUST BASED MY NUMBERS OFF THE NUMBERS AS A WHOLE, I SAW THAT IT HAD BEEN DECREASED ROUGHLY, I THINK ABOUT 300,000 AS A WHOLE, JUST, YOU KNOW, ON ME, UM, FROM, I THINK IT WAS 2000, $2,787, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND IT WAS DOWN TO, UM, 2,371. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS BASING MY INFORMATION ON WAS THE, THE NUMBER AS A WHOLE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE OUR 2022 BUDGET. 
          AND THIS WOULD BE, IF I ASKING FOR A HUNDRED, BUT THAT WOULD BE THREE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL LINES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO I WAS, I WAS ALSO LOOKING, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE A LITTLE CREATIVE WITH IF WE HAD CUT OTHER THINGS DOWN. 
          'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE PERSONNEL IS, IS REALLY NOT, THAT SUPPLIES AREN'T IMPORTANT. 
          NOT THAT FACILITIES AREN'T IMPORTANT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD PEOPLE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO OFFER GOOD SERVICES AND GOOD PROGRAMS. YOU REALLY NEED THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN PLACE. 
          YOU REALLY NEED THE RIGHT TEAM IN PLACE. 
          YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK TOGETHER WELL. 
          AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN AS THE YEARS GO, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING MORE MONEY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE CREATIVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH LESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ALREADY SEEKING OUT, UM, OTHER WAYS, OTHER FUNDING, , OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO INCREASE REVENUE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BE CREATIVE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO THAT WAS REALLY MY FOCUS. 
          UM, BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO THAT'S STILL A DIFFERENCE. 
          SO BASED ON, YOU SAID 84, WE STILL HAVE A SURPLUS OF NO, NO, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE PERSONNEL LINES THAT ARE UN THAT ARE IN YOUR 
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DEPARTMENT OVERALL SHOW A DECREASE OF $94,000 COMPARED TO FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE, IN THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT'S INCLUDING EVERYTHING BECAUSE BASED ON THE WAGE SCHEDULE THAT YOU SENT US TODAY, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN INCREASE. 
          SO THEY'RE INCLUDING ALL THE PART-TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THE WAGE, UM, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S SCHEDULE THAT YOU SENT US AND WHAT THEY DO, THE WAGE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO ACCOUNTING FOR, UM, RAISE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT D FOR THE, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S, WITH THAT, IT'S, AGAIN, THOSE TWO POSITIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING IT IN A TIERED APPROACH MM-HMM. 
          BASED APPROACH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DIDN'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THE GRANT GOING GOING FORWARD. 
          AND WE HAD SUCH AN INTRODUCTION AND, UM, INFUSION OF SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE ENDEAVOR INDIVIDUAL AND, AND, UM, SO WE CAN REALLY THINK THROUGH HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, FACILITATE HAVING ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS JOIN THE RANKS, SO TO SPEAK, AND WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY GOING TO FALL AND WHO WILL THEY BE REPORTING TO AND, YOU KNOW, DECIDE KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BY EASING THAT IN, UH, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME BENEFIT TO, TO THAT APPROACH. 
          AND THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOT JUST THE TRANSITION WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS TOLD ME THEY'RE RETIRING, BUT THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL, I AM FAIRLY CONFIDENT BY THE END OF 2023 WILL MOST LIKELY BE RETIRING. 
          SO I WAS KIND OF, I'M KIND OF WORKING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WOULD ALSO BE PREPARING THE DEPARTMENT FOR THAT DEPARTURE AS WELL. 
          UM, IT'S, I'M, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 90% CONFIDENT, UM, THAT WILL BE HAPPENING. 
          SO I, I'M REALLY A FIRM BELIEVER IN TRANSITION TRAINING AND AS WELL AS, UM, JUST MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING SET BEFORE AN INDIVIDUAL LEAVES. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS PAST SUMMER WHERE THEY HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE AND THEY BASICALLY WERE ONLY ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE THINGS THAT THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF THINGS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD STEP IN AND KIND OF KEEP THINGS GOING SMOOTHLY. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN 2022 IS A LOSS OF BALLPARK, AT LEAST A HUNDRED YEARS OF TOWN EXPERIENCE IN THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT JILL'S, UH, WISELY LOOKING AT IS WHAT'S THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE? YES. 
          AND LIKELY AT A MINIMUM IN 2023, THERE MIGHT BE AN, AN ADDITIONAL 50 YEARS PLUS YES. 
          OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO AT A TWO YEAR WINDOW, 150, YOU KNOW, YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE, UM, IT'S A PRETTY BIG, UH, CHANGE IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A NEED IN THE YOUTH, UM, THAT MAKE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTMENTS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE ALLOCATING RESOURCES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WHILE DOING IT AGAIN, UH, AT, AT THIS STAGE WITH THE, THE BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          ACTUALLY AT A, A FINANCIAL DECREASE IN TERMS OF, OF COST, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, BEING PROACTIVE. 
          AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE YOUTH AND WHAT'S HAPPENED THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A MAJOR INCREASE. 
          HARMONICA JUST, UM, UH, RE-RELEASED THEIR ANNUAL REPORT, UM, DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE IN MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, UH, WITH YOUTH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S JUST IN ANY, ANY, ANY REPORT AND DATA YOU SEE THAT THE, UH, THE NEED FOR YOUTH AND MENTAL, UH, ILLNESS AND, AND IS, HAS BEEN RISING MM-HMM . 
          AND AS A TOWN, WE HAVE TO BE HONEST AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE REC COUNSELORS AT EACH PLAYGROUND IN THE SUMMER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'VE CUT THAT, WE'VE CUT OTHER PROGRAMS FOR, FOR YOUTH. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THE NEEDS INCREASING, OUR SUPPORT OF SOME OF THESE YOUTH PROGRAMS HAS BEEN DECREASING. 
          LET'S REEVALUATE AND LET'S PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THIS SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF, OF, OF KIND OF EXPERIENCE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND RESTRUCTURE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DECADE PLUS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND JUST ACTUALLY, UM, SOMETHING I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED TO THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE HIRED TONIGHT, UM, HAVE BOTH WORKED PART-TIME AND SEASONAL AS WELL. 
          SO THEY'LL BE COMING OUT FULL-TIME AND ONE OF THEM WAS ALREADY RECEIVING, UM, TOWN HEALTH BENEFITS. 
          SO THAT'LL ACTUALLY BE, WILL NOT BE AN EXTREMELY BIG BURDEN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN SINCE THEY ALREADY HAD THAT. 
          AND MOST LIKELY, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE HOURS AT, WITH A FULL-TIME INDIVIDUAL, THEN IT WILL EVEN OUT ON THE PART-TIME. 
          SO THE YES INDIVIDUAL, THEY'RE RETIRING. 
          DO YOU HAVE A RETURN STATEMENT, UH, AT THE END OF THE CONTRACT? DECEMBER 31ST, SO AND SO THAT PERSON REPLACING, UM, WILL NOW, UH, WILL GET BENEFITS ALSO? YES. 
          THE YES INDIVIDUAL CURRENTLY GETS BENEFITS. 
          NO, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. 
          SO THAT'S 
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AN ADDITIONAL COST I SEE. 
          UM, YES, IT WOULD BE, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IT'LL, I GUESS IT WOULD WASH THEN WITH THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL TEAM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT HAD BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT BUDGET SEASON DUE TO A CONTRACTING WITH A SPECIFIC, UH, INDIVIDUAL WASN'T REALLY OPTIMAL, UM, FOR THE TOWN AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THEM AS AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST FOCUS ON YES. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO ALL THE SPECIAL EVENTS WITH US. 
          THEY CAN JUMP IN IF WE NEED THEM ON A SENIOR FIELD TRIP, YOU KNOW, OR, UH, THE TALK WAS OF ACTUALLY WHEN WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE BUILDING, UM, POTENTIALLY STARTING AN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM SINCE MOST OF THE SENIOR PROGRAMS TEND TO DIE DOWN AROUND ONE TWO O'CLOCK. 
          AND HAMBURG, THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, HAS A REALLY GREAT AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM THERE. 
          UM, WE ARE LITERALLY WALKING DISTANCE FROM FRONTIER. 
          SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE REALLY, UM, LOOKING AT STRONGLY TO, TO STARTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND THIS INDIVIDUAL AND THE OTHER SENIOR INDIVIDUAL WOULD, WOULD KIND OF, UM, MANAGE THAT UNDER THE YOUTH PORTION OF THE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE'RE VERY, WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY HOPEFUL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT VERY ECONOMICALLY AND, AND AT POTENTIALLY THE SAME COST THAT, UM, THE VILLAGE REC RUNS IT. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN MAYBE GETTING DONATED SNACKS AND CRAFTS, WE JUST NEED THE SPACE AND WE'LL HAVE THE STAFFING WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS SO WE CAN SERVICE 30 TO 40 KIDS EASILY, POTENTIALLY MORE IF WE SEE THE SUCCESS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOE? UM, THE, THE GRANT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES. 
          UM, YOU'VE ALREADY SECURED THAT GRANT IN YOUR PREVIOUS POSITION WITH CHIEF GRANTS. 
          YOU'RE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          HAVE YOU FOUND THAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES, SIMILAR TO OUR SIZE AND NEEDS, ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THAT GRANT? THEY ARE. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT INDIVIDUALS IN PLACE AND THE RIGHT, UM, DATA COLLECTED. 
          YOU REALLY HAVE TO HELP 'EM UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH IT. 
          BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE APPLY AND THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE ALL THESE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT TO US. 
          WE'LL DO STUFF WITH IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD ACTION PLAN. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN OUR DEPARTMENT SHOULD WORK VERY WELL WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT, IT JUST MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANT 'EM TO HAVE A STRONG PRESENCE IN AND I WANT THEM TO BE A PART OF THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THAT MENTAL HEALTH INDIVIDUAL WOULD OBVIOUSLY WORK INTO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, YES, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING IT AS LONG AS WE FOCUSED ON THOSE THINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALRIGHT, JOEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I BRING UP ONE THING, UM, ABOUT THAT, THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE BOARD'S RADAR, UM, THE TOBACCO FREE AREA, . 
          DID YOU, WERE YOU GUYS, DID THE, ANY INDIVIDUAL REACH OUT TO YOU FOLKS ABOUT THAT THERE? APPARENTLY THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE NEW YORK STATE PUBLIC HEALTH LAW. 
          I CAN LEAVE YOU THE INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT TOBACCO AND THINGS AND PARKS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP. 
          I THINK IT'S LIKE OURS ARE NOW 25 FEET AWAY. 
          I THINK IT'S HAS TO BE UP TO A HUNDRED FEET. 
          SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING A NEW, UM, WHICH THAT WE NEED TO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE LEFT OFF ON BUDGET PAGE 21. 
          THINK WE, THE LAST DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT, UH, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES LINE, UH, THE, UH, PROGRAM WITH ENDEAVOR. 
          DO WE WANNA JUMP BACK IN, UH, AND START LINE TO LINE? SOUND GOOD? ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT BRINGS TO, UH, SUPERINTENDENT OF HIGHWAY. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF A HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          UM, REALLY NOTHING UNUSUAL IN THAT SECTION. 
          NO. 
          UH, MAJOR INCREASES OR DECREASES, UH, HIGHWAY GARAGE, THAT BUDGET, UH, STATE, STATE BLAST COALITION FOR EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WHICH IS A NEW LINE. 
          UM, A NEW COMMITTEE A COUPLE YEARS NOW THAT THE COALITION'S BEEN WORKING. 
          AND THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL $2,000 FOR THEM TO, UH, PROMOTE THEIR WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THEY, THEY POSTED SOME COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UM, NO, I THINK WE HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THE COALITION HAS, UM, ENGAGED IN A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT WESTERN NEW YORK. 
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UM, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME, SOME GRANT FUNDING'S BEEN ALLOCATED TOWARDS US. 
          UM, AND WE REALIZED THAT WE WANT TO OPERATE YEAR ROUND WITH SOME OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO, UM, HAVING, HAVING, UM, A BUDGET LINE WILL BE HELPFUL IN THAT CERTAINLY BE USED. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, IT SEEMS TO BE THE MORE, MORE ORGANIZATIONS WE CONNECT WITH, THE MORE ORGANIZATIONS WE CONNECT WITH, SO WE'RE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO MORE OF THE COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, UM, MOVING DOWN, UH, THAT RANDY, JUST ONE SECOND. 
          IF I COULD, JUST FROM A BOOKKEEPER PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION THAT'S LEGAL TO CONSULTING FEE, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT TECHNICALLY CORRECT OR DESCRIPTIVE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE THE TITLE OF MISCELLANEOUS JUST SO WE, OUR GOAL IS TO BE AS ACCURATE AND UPDATED AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE THAT CHANGE IN THE FINAL ORDER. 
          MOVING ON TO, UH, VETERAN SERVICES, NO, UH, NO CHANGE IT THERE. 
          PROGRAMS FOR AGING, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, REDUCTION IN THE PERSONNEL LINE. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, YOU'LL SEE, UH, AN ADDITION OF $10,000 FOR, UM, HARMONIA FORMERLY COMMUNITY CONCERN. 
          I THINK THAT WAS SIMPLY MOVED FROM ANOTHER PLACE IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE'VE BEEN GIVING, UH, COMMUNITY CONCERN, UH, FUNDING IN THE PAST. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, IT APPEARS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL 10,000, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, THE ADULT DAY, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A REDUCTION IN THE PERSONNEL LINE. 
          NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ADULT DAY CENTER BUILDINGS AND GROUND BUDGET. 
          UH, WE SEE SOME REDUCTIONS THERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS A CONSOLIDATION OF THOSE EXPENSES INTO ANOTHER BUDGET LINE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, REC ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, PLAYGROUNDS AND REC CENTERS. 
          THIS IS A LOT OF OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS STAFF. 
          UM, SO THIS INCLUDES, UH, WAGES OVERTIME. 
          UH, YOU SEE AN INCREASE IN THE OVERTIME BUDGET. 
          UH, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN PUT SOME EXTRA ATTENTION INTO OUR PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS. 
          WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THROUGHOUT THESE PARKS. 
          PROBABLY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IS THE, UH, NUMBER OF DEAD TREES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS NEAR SOME OF OUR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST, UM, JUST, UH, SPRUCING SOME OF THESE UP AND UH, AND WE HAVE SOME, UH, VEGETATION ENCROACHING ON SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, TO WORK ON SOME OF OUR PARKS. 
          UM, RAY, I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THIS WOULD BE PAT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PART-TIME, UH, PERSONNEL SERVICES, PART-TIME AND PERSONAL SERVICES, OTHER THE 1 0 2 AND 1 0 3. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DELTA IN TERMS OF THE CHANGE THERE. 
          WHAT'S THAT REPRESENTATIVE OF, DO YOU KNOW? WELL, THE OTHER IS TYPICALLY RELATED TO BENEFITS AND RETIREMENTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'VE HAD OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE OF RETIREMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE INCURRED IN 22 THAT AREN'T GONNA BE CARRIED FORWARD IN 23. 
          DID THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS NEED TO ANNOUNCE BY A CERTAIN DAY SO WE CAN KNOW FOR PLANNING PURPOSES? WE WISH. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT NO, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH THIS BUDGET LINE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES IN THE CSCA BLUE COLLAR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT, UH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL BACK, UH, BETWEEN ONE TO THREE WEEKS OF SICK TIME PER YEAR IF THEY MAINTAIN A CERTAIN BALANCE AND DON'T USE SICK TIME. 
          SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PUT INTO THIS LINE. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN THEY DO, UH, RETIRE AFTER 10 YEARS OF SERVICE OR MORE, THEY CAN SELL BACK ALL OF THEIR SICK TIME. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THESE FIGURES COME FROM IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, LONGEVITY PAYMENTS THAT FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT DISCREPANCY IS BASICALLY THIS PARTICULARLY OR ANTICIPATING OF DROP OFF IN 2023 COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR? CORRECT. 
          AND ONE THING THAT KIM AND I ARE TRYING DO IS GET A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW WE CAN PROJECT SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, WE'VE BEEN ADVISED YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND JUST ASK PEOPLE TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY, I'M GONNA RETIRE BECAUSE ONE, IT'S THEIR PRIVACY AND SECOND THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DEAL AROUND THE OTHER, UM, FINANCE DIRECTORS AND JUST BE, IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF METHODOLOGY THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER FEEL. 
          THE CURRENT YEAR, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD EVER HAVE GOTTEN A, A FEEL FOR THE AMOUNT OF RETIREMENTS THAT TOOK PLACE, BUT JUST TO TRY AND PUT SOME TYPE OF METHODOLOGY IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE PUT IN HERE, I THINK WOULD 
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JUST MAKE US MORE COMFORTABLE THAN JUST THROWING DAR TO THE WALL. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN, UM, RETIREMENT SELL BACK, UM, LONGEVITY VACATION IN THE OTHER? 'CAUSE IF NOT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY LABEL THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, RETIREMENT FINAL BENEFITS? UH, I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE BUCKET. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS, THERE'S ITEMIZE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'D HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE HOW ACCURATE WE COULD GET WITH IT. 
          WELL, THERE'S OTHER STUFF IN THERE, BUT IT REALLY TRICKLES DOWN TO EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          LIKE POLICE HAS DOUBLE HOLIDAY PAY AND CALL OUT PAY, OR B AND G HAS CALL OUT TIME. 
          SO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T BUDGET FOR GOING THE 1 0 3 LINE THAT WE JUST HAVE TO ESTIMATE. 
          SO THE ONE, OH, THE ONE HUNDREDS ARE SALARY, SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET THAT NAILED DOWN OVERTIME. 
          AND PART-TIME WE CAN GIVE A BUDGET. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER IS BASED ON CONTRACTUAL CALL OUT TIMES THEY HAVE LONGEVITY AND THIS AND THAT. 
          SO TO BREAK IT OUT, THERE'S PROBABLY 20 TO 30 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE PAID OUT OF THAT ACCOUNT DEPENDING ON CONTRACTS. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST THINKING IF 90% OF IT IS RETIREMENT, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS MM-HMM . 
          WE CAN MAKE THAT ONE ITEM AND THEN THE OTHER COULD HIT THE OTHER 18 OR 19. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST AS A THOUGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          TO BREAK IT OUT A LITTLE, IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, IS A PRETTY BIG ITEM, BUDGET ITEM TO HAVE IT LABELED AS OTHER RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE JUST TRANSPARENT. 
          NO, YEAH. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY SEE WHAT INFORMATION IS THERE AND HOW TO, WHAT LEVEL OF UCH WE CAN GET TO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, AS LONG AS YOU GET THE, THE LARGEST PIECE OF THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WE HAVE A DECREASE OF 51,000 FOR PART-TIME, BUT THEN AN INCREASE OF 30,000 FOR OVERTIME, UM, WHICH MAKES A NET DIFFERENCE OF LIKE 80,000. 
          WOULD IT BE MORE MINDFUL OR HELPFUL TO INSTEAD KEEP MORE OVERTIME EMPLOYEES THAN TO INCREASE THE, OR KEEP MORE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES THAN TO INCREASE THE OVERTIME? WELL, THAT'S, UM, THAT CAN WORK IN SOME SITUATIONS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SPRING, LOT OF SPRING ACTIVITY WHERE WE, THE, THE PART-TIMERS USUALLY COME DURING THE SUMMER AND THEY, THEY WORK ON, ON RUSH CREWS AND, AND SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, I DUNNO, PAT PAT'S NOT HERE. 
          NO, PAT'S NOT HERE TO ASK. 
          I WOULD'VE KICKED IT TO HIM. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AS FAR AS HOW MANY PART-TIMERS CAN WORK, UH, WITHOUT THE SUPERVISION OF THE FULL-TIMER. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE ON PLAYGROUNDS AND REC? OKAY. 
          MOVING DOWN TO 24 LAKEVIEW ROAD REC, UH, NO CHANGES DOWN PARK OPERATIONS, VERY LITTLE CHANGES. 
          UH, THE BOAT LAUNCH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN THE DREDGING AT THE TOWN PARK. 
          THE MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT, UH, WHAT WAS SPENT THIS YEAR, THE, UM, BEACH SECURITY, IS THAT JUST BEING PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE? THAT'S, UH, THAT POSITION WAS DECIDED TO NOT BE FUNDED FOR THE YEAR SINCE THE POLICE HAVE BEEN PATROLLING IT MORE AND THERE HAS BEEN LESS COMPLAINTS. 
          SO THAT'S BEING COMPLETELY ELIMINATED. 
          AGE SECURITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK WE WANNA REVISIT THAT. 
          I MEAN, BASED ON THE INPUT I HAVE, IT'S BEEN THE OPPOSITE. 
          THAT THEY'VE HAD MORE TICKETS ISSUED THAN THEY'VE EVER HAD. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD MORE, UH, PEOPLE TRYING TO BE THERE ILLEGALLY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE. 
          I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT MIGHT WARRANT MORE TICKETS THIS SUMMER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THE SUMMER. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECURITY OFFICER ALL SUMMER, UM, PREVIOUSLY. 
          THAT'S DEFINITELY PREVIOUSLY, BUT EVEN THE SUMMER, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS LOT. 
          I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE OUR OFFICE IS ISSUING TICKETS IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S AN INCREASE IN TICKETS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT MIGHT BE THE INCREASE BY PATROLS. 
          SO I TO TALK TO CHIEF DENNIS ABOUT THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING DOWN. 
          WE BUILT LAUNCH TOWN PARK MAINTENANCE, UH, RELATIVELY UNCHANGED YOUTH PROGRAMS. WE DISCUSSED PERSONNEL LINES. 
          UH, LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          THAT $10,000 REDUCTION IS THE, NOT SURE WHY IT SAYS CELEBRATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT WAS HARMONIUM. 
          IT'S MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GOING IN PAGE 27, UH, LIBRARY MAINTENANCE, HISTORIAN, COMP PLAN, 
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COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION, ALL RELATIVELY UNCHANGED, MINOR CHANGES, DRAINAGE, UH, AN INCREASE IN, IN , UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          IS THAT, AND THE, THAT INCREASE IS JUST THE TYPICAL DOES, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THINGS WE'RE ENDEAVORING TO DO OUT OF THE DRAINAGE STUDY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS MORE JUST FOR, UM, FOR SOME OF THE AD HOC STUFF THAT YOU DO RIGHT NOW ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE CALLS FOR, UH, COVID PIPE BEING PUT IN, SO MM-HMM . 
          OUR DEMAND'S GETTING MORE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, NOT MANY CHANGES THERE. 
          A DA COMPLIANCE AND CONSERVATION BOARD, ALL SMALL DEPARTMENTS, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THEN ON PAGE 29, UM, THERE'S, THESE ARE SOME BIGGER NUMBERS. 
          THIS IS OUR STATE RETIREMENT, UH, BENEFITS. 
          UM, PAT, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT, ABOUT THESE? ABOUT THE RETIREMENT BENEFITS? WELL, ABOUT THIS LAST PAGE HERE WITH, UH, ANY, ANYTHING THAT, UH, I MEAN THESE ARE ALL COSTS ARE WELL BEYOND OUR CONTROL. 
          CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, ON THE PLUS SIDE, WE DID SEE SOME SAVINGS IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE ARENA, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          IT'S STILL A HUGE CHUNK, BUT, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, OUR AGENT WHO'S WORKING WITH THE PROVIDERS, THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH PROPOSALS, EACH OF WHICH IS THE SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS FIELD OVER YEAR. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE DECISION THAT'S ULTIMATELY MADE, WE'LL DETERMINE HOW MUCH OF THAT THING IS, BUT IT, IT'LL BE UPWARD. 
          IT'S, IT'LL BE A DECENT AMOUNT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD FIRST? UH, WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          UM, THE FIRST LINE IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE GIVEN THROUGH THE COMP CONTROLLER'S OFFICE AS TO WHAT WE NEED TO PAY INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          EIGHT 10, UH, THE VERY FIRST, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          EIGHT, 10. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE ALL GIVEN TO US AS ESTIMATE. 
          THEY GIVE US AN ESTIMATE AND THEN WE JUST, I, WE HAVE A SPREADSHEET BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SALARY ALLOCATED TO EACH FUND AND IT BREAKS DOWN THE BILL TO CHARGE TO EACH FUND. 
          SO WE GO OFF OF WHAT THEY ESTIMATE OUR BILL WILL BE. 
          I'M JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED IT WENT DOWN BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT, WHAT I HAD READ FROM THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE WAS THAT THEY POSSIBLY WERE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE, 'CAUSE THE STOCK MARKET BEING DOWN. 
          UM, IS THAT JUST A LAGGING EFFECT THAT THEY HAVEN'T SENT TO US, OR? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING ON IT, AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE EITHER. 
          SO I WENT OFF OF THE ESTIMATES THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          THE FINAL BILL COMES OUT IN NOVEMBER FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          SO I THINK THIS WILL PROBABLY BE MORE THAN 2024. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED BY THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR CAREERS. 
          I MEAN, AND WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER. 
          I MEAN A LOT OF RETIREMENTS LATELY THAT'S EVIDENT IN, IN OUR, IN OUR POLICE AND ALL THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS REALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD HAVE, IT IS RANKED BY TIER. 
          SO WHEN EVERYBODY FROM A HIGHER TIER RETIREMENT, THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE ALSO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF THE STATE SAYS IT'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE, IT COULD BE OFFSET BY A LOWER NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE COSTS OR TIER SIX EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PAYING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IN CONTRIBUTIONS TO THEIR RETIREMENT THAN TIERS FIVE AND FOUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO FIND A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN TIER SIX VERSUS THE OTHER TIERS? I JUST KNOW, UM, I SHARE THIS SAME CONCERN TO SEAN THAT WATCHING OTHER UNIONS AND INVOLVED WITH THEIR STATE RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTION IS GOING TO GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY THIS YEAR FOR THEIR EMPLOYERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I CAN SEND YOU, I JUST KIND OF DON'T WANNA PUSH THIS PROBLEM OFF UNTIL NEXT NOVEMBER AND BE DEALING WITH IT NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I CAN SEND YOU EVEN A COPY OF THE ESTIMATED BILL SO YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE IT REALLY, IT BREAKS DOWN SALARIES BY TIERS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE. 
          SO THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN I KNOW FROM THE SCHOOL, YOU PAY DIFFERENT, BUT OURS THROUGH THE YEARS, OURS IS ACTUALLY DUE IN DECEMBER, SO WE'LL BUDGET FOR IT AND IT'LL BE DUE DECEMBER. 
          SO IT'S FIVE, THINK IT'LL BE 2024. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH MM-HMM . 
          POSSIBLY JUST PUSHING A PROBLEM OFF A YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE, I DON'T THINK COST TO ABSORB NEXT YEAR WHAT TYPICALLY IS YEAR, LIKE WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR STATE RETIREMENT COST OR LIKE THE PAST TWO YEARS PRIOR. 
          CAN WE GET THAT INFORMATION JUST TO MAKE SURE, LIKE I CAN TRY TO FIND IT. 
          IT'S BROKEN BETWEEN DIFFERENT FUNDS SO IT TAKES A MINUTE. 
          BUT ALSO, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE COST FOR 24, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T KIND OF BUDGET FOR AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT OF RETIREMENT, WE PAY AHEAD. 
          WE ATE RETIREMENT LINES, SO WE KIND OF CAN'T. 
          OH, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST MINDFUL TOO OF INCURRING LONGITUDINAL 
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COSTS YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ADDING SOME EXTRA COSTS TO OUR BUDGET THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA COME IN EVERY YEAR AND ALSO REALIZING WE MAY HAVE A SURPRISE OR AN INCREASE IN THAT AREA RIGHT NEXT YEAR AND THEN HAVING TO FACE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT LAST PAGE? ALL RIGHT. 
          DON'T TAKE US TO, UM, THE, OH, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE RETIREMENT COSTING? SO I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I THINK CAN TELL US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I'LL, THAT WAS KIND OF SOMETHING OF, IT'S HERE PREVIOUSLY THAT I WAS NEVER USED. 
          THE LINE WAS NEVER USED. 
          IT WAS MORE JUST LIKE A BUFFER FOR EXTRA RETIREMENTS. 
          BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BUDGET FOR THE RETIREMENT. 
          SO WE HAD TAKEN IT OUT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE TWO 50 UNDER GENERAL CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND FROM ZERO TO NOW WE'RE PUTTING IN TWO 50 FUNDS. 
          THAT'S THE, UH, AMOUNT OF THE APPROPRIATED FUNDS. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL SEVEN 50, WHICH IS 250 OF THAT IS GONNA BE SET ASIDE THE DEAL TO ACTUALLY START A RESERVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PARTICULAR OR IN GENERAL, IS THIS THIS SOMETHING AGAIN IN ANTICIPATION OF THE DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED THERE? IT IS EVEN MORE GENERAL THAN THAT. 
          WE JUST, IN SPEAKING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, WE'RE GETTING TO THE END OF THE LIFECYCLE. 
          A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE BUILDINGS AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ROAD REPAIRS AND BRIDGE REPAIRS AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS SET ASIDE FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT IT JUST SEEMS FROM THE ESTIMATES WE'RE GETTING FROM THE DEPARTMENT, IT'S GONNA FAR EXCEED ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE. 
          WHETHER IT'S BY BONDING OR OTHER CAPITAL ACCOUNTS. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO START TO GET SOMETHING SO WHEN THAT MILLION DOLLAR ROOF COMES DUE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO FIND THAT IN ONE YEAR. 
          IS THERE A WAY, UM, SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF RETIREMENTS AND THE BEST GUESS ESTIMATES WE CAN MAKE OF WHO'S GONNA RETIRE AND WHO ISN'T GONNA RETIRE AND OF THAT NATURE. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO GET DATA FOR LIKE THE PAST TWO TO FOUR YEARS OF THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED AND THIS IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DREW ON THAT LINE, THIS IS WHAT WE BUDGETED THIS AND JUST KIND OF SEE LIKE HOW GOOD OF A JOB HAVE WE DONE OF ESTIMATING THAT JUST TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE OVER GUESSING OR UNDER GUESSING TRADITIONALLY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S, AS FAR AS GOING BACK TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR US TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO START THAT RESERVE. 
          I THINK THE ONLY THING I'D WANT TO, MY ONLY COMMENT THERE WOULD BE IS THAT, UM, NOT PUSHING THINGS INTO THAT AREA THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER STRATEGICALLY PLANNED AND BUDGETED FOR BY INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS OVER THE LONG TERM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT NOT WANT IT TAKEN AWAY FROM WHAT ITS INTENT IS AND BECOME IN A SPOT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKES AWAY FROM INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE FALLING IN TERMS OF, UH, MANAGEMENT AND, AND PLANNING, STRATEGIC PLANNING. 
          BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THAT COULD, THE NEED THERE COULD SKYROCKET THE NEED IS VERY, VERY HIGH. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO START SOMETHING TO HAVE A BASE TO BUILD FROM. 
          TO YOUR POINT, A LOT OF THESE THINGS SHOULD BE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN MAKING PLANS THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, NEXT YEAR, YOU COULD NEED A ROOF ON ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, 1.5 MILLION. 
          GIVEN HOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE, THERE'S REALLY NOT A ROOM. 
          THERE'S NOT ROOM TO FIND 1.5 AND A ONE ONE YEAR AHEAD. 
          THERE'S OTHER AVENUES WE CAN TAKE TO GET THAT MONEY, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD UP SOME TYPE OF RESERVE SO THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF CUSHION AND NOT WE FIND AN EMERGENCY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT WASN'T PLUGGED OR WASN'T EXPECTED ONCE. 
          ONE SUGGESTION IS WE COULD HAVE A, WHAT WE CALL A CAPITAL POLICY, UH, STATEMENT, UM, WHICH IS BASIC. 
          WE COULD BASICALLY OUTLINE WHAT THE CRITERIA SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TO DECIDING, LET'S SAY IT'S FIVE YEARS LATER AND IT'S 1.5 MILLION INSTEAD OF JUST AD HOC, YES OR NO, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME STRICT CRITERIA OF WHAT WOULD MEET THE DEFINITION, WHAT WOULD MEET THE DEFINITION, JUST TO GIVE IT SOME STRUCTURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, MIGHT MAKE SENSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S CERTAINLY WAYS THAT THAT CAN BE DEFINED FROM THIS $250,000. 
          THERE'S APPROPRIATIONS, THERE'S CREATION OF A CAPITAL ACCOUNT. 
          SO IT'S ALL JUST DEFINITIONAL AS TO HOW WE WANT TO DO IT. 
          AND FROM AN APPROACH STANDPOINT, WE JUST WANTED TO SAY WE NEED TO START SAVING MONEY. 
          'CAUSE YOU COULD EARMARK THAT 200,000 TO ANY NUMBER OF ONGOING PROJECTS. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO START SOMETHING TO, TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS. 
          THIS ISN'T MEANT, NOR WILL IT BE JUST THE CREATION OF MONEY THAT PEOPLE CAN DIP INTO. 
          SO IF THE GUARDRAILS ARE WHAT WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE, WELL INSTEAD OF CALLING IT A RESERVE, 
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WE CAN DEFINE IT AS A CAPITAL ACCOUNT AND PUT THE RESTRICTIONS IN THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE FOR X, Y, OR Z MM-HMM . 
          WHICH, WHICH WILL BE GOOD. 
          BUT THE CAVEAT TO ALL THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THE X, Y OR Z'S GONNA COME FIRST. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SAY WE'RE GONNA, WELL WE CAN, WE CAN SAY WE'LL BUDGET THIS AMOUNT FOR TOWN HALL ROOF OR B AND G ROOFER, BUT AT THIS POINT THEY'RE ALL PROBABLY WITHIN THAT THREE TO SEVEN YEAR WINDOW OF NEEDING REPLACEMENT AND THINGS BREAK BEFORE THEY'RE USEFUL LIFE EXPOSURES. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME TYPE OF BUFFER SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET THAT UNEXPECTED ONE, WE HAVE SOME AMOUNT SITTING TO OFFSET THE COST THAT'S GONNA NOT BE BUDGETED. 
          I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. 
          I APPLAUD YOU GUYS FOR BEING PROACTIVE IN THAT MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY, UM, REASONABLE START IF NOT ON THE LOW SIDE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A STARTING POINT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY BEEN THE ISSUE THAT I'VE OBSERVED THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IS ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S A 500 A MILLION DOLLAR, UH, PROJECT THAT REALLY COULD HAVE FORESEEN 20, 30, 15, 10 YEARS AGO. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD TO ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROBLEM. 
          SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THOSE FUNDS THAT IF THEY'RE NOT USED THIS YEAR WILL STAY IN THAT POOL. 
          THEY DON'T GET THROWN INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE AN UNFILLED POSITION THAT GETS THROWN INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND NEVER TO BE SEEN FROM BY THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          AGAIN, THIS WILL NOT GET SENT TO THE GENERAL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE TO TOWN? OUTSIDE VILLAGE, THE POND? ALRIGHT. 
          IN, UH, PAGE 30, YOU'RE GONNA SEE OUR, UM, UH, THESE ARE ALL REVENUES, RIGHT? UH, SALES TAX. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT UH, UH, AN INCREASE IN 300,000, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN. 
          WE'VE HAD A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, UH, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE COMING OUT OF A PANDEMIC. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME STRONG NUMBERS. 
          UM, AND UH, WE BELIEVE THAT 7.9, UH, IS, IS CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THAN WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING THIS YEAR. 
          UH, YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN THE POLICE SERVICES AND THE PARENTHETICAL STATES OF FRONTIER SCHOOL SRO POSITION. 
          THAT'S AN INCREASE IN THAT CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND THEN IN THIS, UH, FUND WE SEE UH, A REDUCTION IN APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE OF 200,000. 
          LAST YEAR'S BUDGET HAD 200,000 BUILT IN THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON REVENUES? ALRIGHT, UM, MOVING ON IN B UH, CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT, UM, THIS IS, THIS APPEARS THERE'S AN INCREASE. 
          SO WASN'T THERE AN $80,000 CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT IN 2022? NO, WE ACTUALLY NEVER HAD ONE IN THE FUND. 
          OH, WELL NOT RECENTLY. 
          SO JUST KIND OF DIDN'T MAKE SENSE OF ALL THESE EXPENSES AND STUFF THAT JUST NOT ALL CONTINGENCY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE FOR THINGS SUCH AS IT COULD GO FOR ANYTHING IN THE BU. 
          SO ZONING PLANNING, UM, THE HAZMAT HISTORICAL POLICE REFUSE COLLECTION EXECUTIVE CABINET CREATES CONTRACTUALLY COMING UP FOR 2022. 
          AND WE DIDN'T REFLECT THEM IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL AREAS ENOUGH TO BE CONFIDENT WITHOUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE CONTINGENCY. 
          UM, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT WE'VE HAD IT IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO IT JUST THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE WITH EVERYBODY TRYING TO CATCH UP ON VEHICLE PURCHASES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO HAVE THOSE IN THERE AND SUPPORT DECIDED THEY WANTED TAKE ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN WITH THE BEING A CONTINGENCY COUNT, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS AS TO HOW WE USE IT OR THE BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT SO IT HAS TO GO THROUGH RESOLUTION WITH A TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO WHICHEVER DEPARTMENT? WHAT'S THE AMOUNT, THE A FUND, DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE? WHAT'S 80,000? THAT'S WHERE IT DOWN, IT STARTED APPRECIABLY HIGHER, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE . 
          YEAH, I THINK WE, SO WE PUT IT FOR TWO 50 ORIGINALLY AND THEN SAW TAX RATE LOADED TO HUNDRED. 
          UM, GOING THE POLICE, UH, INCREASED 
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IN, UH, THE PERSONAL SERVICES LINE, UH, IN, IN ALL OF 'EM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE UTTER LINE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT HAS THE OPPORT UH, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAIN UNIT THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL BACK, UH, UNUSED SICK TIME, VACATION TIME AND, AND OTHER BENEFIT TIME AT A, AT A VERY HIGH RATE. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT LINE HAS, HAS BEEN AROUND A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE, AGAIN, WE HAVE A YOUNGER, UH, POLICE FORCE, UM, AND WE'RE SEEING A REDUCTION THERE. 
          UM, BUT AN OVERALL INCREASE IN THE POLICE PERSONNEL SERVICES LINE OF $136,289 AND THAT NUMBER IS GONNA CHANGE SLIGHTLY SINCE, UM, THERE WAS SOME NEGOTIATIONS I BELIEVE IN. 
          I HAVE, UM, THE AMOUNT WHEN WE START GO GOING THROUGH, APPROVE THOSE CHANGES, NO CHANGE IN THE SOUTH TOWN'S, UH, HANDS MANS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LINE HERE FOR HISTORIC PRESENCE PRESERVATION AND WE UH, WE PUT IN $30,000 THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HONOR THAT THE BOARD CAN, CAN DISCUSS. 
          I'D BE INTERESTED IN ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          AND THAT IS FOR THE, THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS FOR THE, UM, THEIR BUDGET. 
          MISCELLANEOUS IN PART IS FOR INTENDED, UH, STUDY THAT WOULD BE DONE. 
          I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION IS IT'S, SO THAT IS THE FUND  MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE THAT IS SERVICING THE ENTIRE, UM, INCLUDING THE VILLAGE. 
          OH, IT'S SERVING INCLUDING VILLAGE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WANNA MOVE TO THE EIGHT FUND, RIGHT? THAT MM-HMM . 
          SO THIS 30,000 IS PAYING PER STUDY THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO, TO, UH, INFORM A LOT OF THEIR DECISION MAKING REGARDING ON WHAT THEY SEEK DESIGNATION FOR. 
          IT WAS FELT THAT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED. 
          SO WILL OVERSEE VILLAGES AS WELL BECAUSE VILLAGE HAMBURG HAS, THEY DO, BUT THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE I KNOW IS BEING INCLUDED. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY CONTACTED, UH, THE VILLAGE OF BLA ZONE AND THEY SAID YES. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I CAN, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK TOMORROW THERE'S A MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, AN ITS INTERESTING QUESTION, HAS THERE EVER BEEN CASES WHERE IT'S ONE VILLAGE AND NOT THE OTHER? UH, WOULD THAT FALL OUT? FALL ALWAYS FALL IN THE A I'M NOT SURE. 
          I KNOW THAT HAS HAPPENED, UH, AS WE TRANSITIONED INTO PROVIDING SERVICES FOR BUILDING INSPECTION AND ENGINEERING AND, AND PLANNING, SO MM-HMM . 
          UM, I WANTED TO DO, I'LL CHECK THAT OUT. 
          DO WE KNOW THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AS PENDING? IS IT GOING TO FALL UNDER ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, TOWN RUN DEPARTMENTS? OR IS IT GONNA BE AN APPOINTED POSITION OF SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE OVERSEEING THEM? YEAH, WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          AND I THINK MISCELLANEOUS IS FINE FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST YEAR. 
          'CAUSE IT'S ON UNKNOWN, BUT I, I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING FOR 2000, 3000, 5,000, BUT AT 30,000 NEXT YEAR, IT'D BE NICE TO MM-HMM . 
          EVENTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN. 
          SO WHAT'S THE COST OF THE STUDY? WHERE DID THE 30,000 COME FROM? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT  THEY'RE IN THIS PROCESS OF PUTTING THAT, UM, TOGETHER AND THEY DID NOT. 
          THAT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET FROM THE INDIVIDUAL THEY'RE WORKING WITH. 
          BUT A LOT EFFECTS THE, THE COST OF THE STUDY, HOW COMPREHENSIVE, HOW FAR BACK DO YOU WANT TO GO, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT WAS THEIR BEST, UM, THE BEST NUMBER THAT THEY COULD COME UP WITH RIGHT NOW BASED ON INFORMATION FROM THE EXPERT THEY'RE WORKING WITH AND OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. 
          UH, WE COULD, WE COULD PULL THE STUDY BACK, TAILOR IT BACK AND, AND THE COST MIGHT BE LESS. 
          THE COST COULD BE A HUNDRED THIRDS. 
          THERE ARE TOWNS THAT HAVE DONE STUDIES AT A MUCH GREATER, GREATER AMOUNT. 
          UM, SO THAT SEEMED TO BE A GOOD STARTING POINT. 
          UM, BUT I AGREE THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED INFORMATION SO THAT I THINK TO YOUR POINT IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SAY, HERE'S FOR TRAINING, HERE'S FOR MEMBERSHIP. 
          BECAUSE THEY EVEN DEFINED THAT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          BUT GIVEN THAT THERE WASN'T SPECIFICS ON THE STUDY, IT WAS, IT WAS PUT TOGETHER. 
          BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, IN THE FUTURE, BE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT, ESPECIALLY ONCE THAT STUDY IS DONE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY, THERE'S, UH, PROFESSIONAL FEES, THERE'S SURE TRAINING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT IS THE MARKERS THAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT INDIVIDUAL CATEGORIES GOING FORWARD. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          SORRY, BECAUSE I AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE. 
          SURE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          SO, SO MOVING ON PAGE 32, WE HAVE, UH, BOTH ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD. 
          UM, AND THERE'S SLIGHT, SLIGHT INCREASES, UH, IN, IN THE, THE STIPENDS THAT THOSE FOLKS RECEIVE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, 
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THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE CONTRACT WITH, UH, WITH WENDELL WHO DOES OUR, OUR PLANNING, UH, AS WELL AS CONTRACTS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT. 
          UM, SO, UH, THERE'S SOME MOVING PIECES, UH, IN THERE AND THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS, UH, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS THEY RELATE TO PERSONNEL. 
          SO NO, UH, NO MAJOR CHANGES IN THE YEAR BUDGET. 
          AND THEN, UH, LEY IS, UH, REFUSE COLLECTION. 
          THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE BIG, THE BULK PICKUP, RIGHT? LARGE TRASH PICKUP, YOU KNOW, ONCE A MONTH. 
          SO, I MEAN, A BIG, A BIG INCREASE FOR SURE. 
          BUT, UH, THE PRICES ON THIS STUFF WAS GOING ON AND ALL I REACHED OUT. 
          I REACHED OUT 'CAUSE WE ONLY, WE ONLY HAD ONE BIDDER. 
          WASTE MANAGERS ARE ONLY BIDDER. 
          I REACHED OUT TO MODERN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, AND IT COMES AROUND AGAIN TO BID ON. 
          AND I HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS TO MAKE, KEEPS EVERYBODY FAIR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I DID REACH OUT TO HIM TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE HIM TO MAKE A GRADE. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ON PAGE 33, THESE ARE, UH, THESE ARE OTHER COSTS AS WELL. 
          UM, THE, THE RETIREMENTS, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS, INSURANCE. 
          THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALLER BUDGET. 
          UM, QUESTIONS. 
          THIS PAGE, THE INCREASE IN THE TRANSFER TO CAPITAL IS, IT WAS JUST FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          YEAH, SAME THING. 
          THERE. 
          JUST NEEDS THAT, THAT HAS, THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FIT NEATLY UNDER THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE ADJUSTMENT. 
          IS THERE ANY EXAMPLES OR, UH, THE MOST PRESSING WERE PLOWS, UM, APPARENT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEW PLOW PURCHASED IN OVER THREE YEARS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET US BACK ON A MORE REGIMENTED CYCLE SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE UPTODATE, SAFER FUEL EFFICIENT LEAD ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND PLOWS WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I POINTED OUT. 
          SO THIS IS ALL FROM HIGHWAY, THIS SECTION HERE, OR, OH, SORRY. 
          THAT WAS, THAT TRANSFER WAS, UM, THAT WAS FOR THE CARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          I THINK IT WAS TEXTURE THAT WAS GONNA BE LEFT. 
          SO IT'S THE SAME PREMISE FOR POLICE. 
          I JUST JUMPED AHEAD THE HIGHWAY WHERE THEY HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON THEIR FLEET AND THEY CYCLE IT OUT BETTER. 
          BUT THEY'RE STILL GIVEN SOME CUTS IN THE PAST YEARS, HAVE A GREATER NEED. 
          SO WE'RE MOVING SOME, UM, AMOUNTS THERE. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT UTILIZING POTENTIALLY THE ENTERPRISE LEASING OPTION, IF WE CAN GET AGREEMENT AND FIGURE OUT HOW IT'LL FUNCTIONALLY WORK WITH THE POLICE, WE'LL HAVE AN EVEN GREATER ABILITY TO SAVE THOSE COSTS. 
          BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO GET THE POLICE WHAT THEY NEED FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IS, UM, THAT TRANSFER TO CAPITAL 0 9 7 5, THAT'S NOW, UH, SLATED FOR 135,000? IS THAT CAPITAL FOR POLICE OR CAPITAL FOR HIGHWAY? THAT'S IN B, SO IT'S FOR POLICE B. 
          I JUST MISSPOKE. 
          I, OKAY. 
          THAT'S PERENT. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          THING I NEED TO DO IS CLOUD AND THE GENERAL FUND. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS NO CHANGE, BUT THAT COVERS LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD COVER. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE 2015 ANALYSIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO THIS IS FOR, UM, SERVICES, UM, THAT ARE TAXED THROUGH, THROUGH THE, THE B FUND, BUT, UM, SERVE THE ENTIRE TOWN BASICALLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? THAT'S NINE 15 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEP. 
          THE GENERAL. 
          OKAY. 
          HIGHWAY. 
          SO THE FIRST PAGE WE SEE, UH, THE REVENUES, UH, INCLUDING A $275,000, UH, OF APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE. 
          OUR FUND BALANCE WAS ESPECIALLY HIGH IN THIS FUND, RIGHT? AM I THINKING OF THE RIGHT, RIGHT, ONE? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
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YEAH. 
          SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, UH, PRUDENT TO USE SOME OF THE FUN BALANCE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WE GET TO, UH, PERSONAL SERVICES GENERAL. 
          THIS IS THE, THE GENERAL, UH, ADDS GENERAL PERSONNEL BUDGET, UH, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF $258,176. 
          THIS IS WHERE, UM, WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? UH, YES. 
          UM, BACK IN WHEN I STARTED WE HAD, UH, 36 EMPLOYEES AND, UM, THROUGH THE YEARS WE LOST THEM THROUGH RETIREMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS NEVER REPLACED. 
          AND NOW THE TOWN'S GONE FROM, UH, 270 ROAD MILES TO UP TO 346 ROAD MILES OUT THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND MORE SUBDIVISIONS COMING, EVEN, EVEN, UH, IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR OR TWO. 
          UM, AND OUR MANPOWER SHORTAGE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET 16 POUND DRIVERS AND 16 LABORERS TO HANDLE, TO HANDLE THE, THE UPKEEP OF, OF THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY THE SLOPE PLOWING COMING UP IN THE, IN THE WINTER HERE. 
          UM, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES IS GETTING MANPOWER. 
          SO THIS, THIS WILL HELP US, OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, ESPECIALLY STARTING WITH A TIER SIX. 
          IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT BETTER BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE PAYING MORE THAN THE SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY'RE STARTING 80%. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, BETTER FOR A TOWN TO DO IT NOW. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT 36 NOW AND THEN? NO, WE'RE AT 31. 
          DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR, YOUR YES. 
          CLERK TITUS AND EVERYTHING? NO, THAT'S, IT'S ALL PART-TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S ALL PART-TIME ON FRONT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY THERE DO YOU HAVE? UH, I HAVE, UH, WELL, I, RIGHT NOW I CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, POSITION BILLED BY LABOR THAT, THAT SHE'S GONNA BE RETIRING, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA REPLACED WITH CAR TIMERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN, UM, UH, WE HAD ONE OTHER, WHAT OTHER CAR TIMER? SO 30 ONE'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WHERE WE'VE BEEN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, SO WHAT ABOUT THE, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE LOOKED AT, BECAUSE AGAIN, SNOW IS ONLY, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART, BUT IT'S ONLY PART OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, AND THERE'S BEEN ARTICULATION AND AGREEMENT BETWEEN B AND G AND HIGHWAY, AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO COME OVER AND A ASSIST THERE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S AN INCREASE IN, IN ROADS AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT INCREASE IN ROADS, IS THAT ENTIRELY TOWN ROADS AND CORRECT. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, UH,  TOWN TALK WITH TOWN ROADS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T REACHED THAT YET. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T GONE OVER TO TALKING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, TAKING COUNTY RULES OVER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          YES. 
          BUT, BUT IF I GET THE EXTRA MANPOWER, I WILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF MAYBE DOING THAT. 
          AND WE DO GET FUNDS TO DO WITH THE COUNTY RULES, SO THAT CAN OFFSET THE COST OF OUR  AFFORD NEW EMPLOYEES. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE 31, AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THE LABOR POSITION ONCE THAT SHIFTS BACK. 
          SO THAT'S 32, AND THEN THE FOUR MORE WOULD BE MM-HMM . 
          36. 
          SO OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, LIKE WINTER MAINTENANCE STUFF, AS FAR AS YOUR NON WINTER MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES YEAR ROUND, HOW HAVE YOU, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS TRACK YOUR COMPLAINTS AND HOW YOU KEEP UP WITH THINGS LIKE ONE OF OUR DITCHING SHOULDER WORK, THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          UM, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN TRACKING, LIKE HAVE YOU BEEN FALLING BEHIND THROUGHOUT THE YEARS? HOW'S THE LEVEL OF CIRCUMSTANCE? ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST COMPLAINTS IS BRUSH PICKUP. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING TWO BRUSH TRUCKS AND THEN SET IN THE GRAPPLE TRUCK RIGHT OUT AFTER 'EM. 
          AND WE HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE EXTRA MANPOWER, I CAN EITHER PUT A THIRD TRUCK ON TO HELP WITH THE, THE DEMAND RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, 'CAUSE IRONICALLY, I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE STUDIES, YOU KNOW, ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IS THAT THE, THE TOWN, THE RESIDENTS IN IN GENERAL ARE HAPPY WITH THE SNOW PLOW PICKUP OR THE SNOW PLOW, UH, SITUATION RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING MORE, WELL, THE, UM, DURING, IN A NORMAL WORKDAY FROM SEVEN TO THREE, WE, WE BREAK THE POUND DOWN INTO 12 CLOUD DISTRICTS DURING, IN OVERTIME AFTER THREE O'CLOCK WE CAN FIND TWO PLOW DISTRICTS INTO ONE. 
          SO WE ONLY HAVE SIX. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS, DURING THE DAYTIME, IT TAKES ABOUT ANYWHERES FROM FOUR TO SIX HOURS TO GO THROUGH A, A PLOW ROUTE ONCE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE 12 DISTRICTS IT, WHEN ON OVERTIME IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT TAKES BETWEEN ALMOST 16 HOURS TO GET TO WHERE, EIGHT TO 16 HOURS TO GET TO AT ONCE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PUTTING MORE DEMAND ON OUR GUYS AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE DOING MOST, BUT MY, MY THEORY WAS IS TO ADD AND ADD A COUPLE MORE PLOW TRUCKS SO WE CAN MAKE OUR, THE ROUTE A LITTLE SMALLER SO WE CAN GET A BETTER TURNAROUND TIME ON, ON THE PLOWING. 
          SO IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP IN THE LONG RUN. 
          WE CAN PUT TWO MORE PLOW TRUCKS ON. 
          IT'LL DEFINITELY HELP OUT. 
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UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF CALLS DURING THE WINTERTIME LIKE, HEY, I HAVEN'T SEEN A PLOW ALL DAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE HEAVIER AREA HAS, WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE MORE ON THE HEAVIER AREA. 
          SO, AND ARE YOU BRINGING PEOPLE FROM BNG OVER? YES. 
          AND IF THAT'S ONLY AFTER WE EXHAUST OUR LIST IN BE IN HIGHWAY MM-HMM . 
          IF THEY, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE TWO CLASSIFICATION BOARDS, NORMAL CALL OUT AND THEN ON A CLASSIFICATION CALL OUT. 
          SO IF WE GO TO OPEN BOARDS, WE DO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE TO PULL IN B AND G. 
          YES. 
          SO THEN YOU DO HAVE, 'CAUSE WE'RE SO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. 
          YEAH. 
          CURRENTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN WE DO GET A LOT OF HEAVY CELLS AND WE GET THE, AROUND THE CLOCK WHERE WE'RE GOING TO THEM A LOT MORE, I GET THE EXTRA MANPOWER WON'T HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEM. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JOBS AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THEIR OWN ROUTES AND STUFF TO DO. 
          SO I'M ACTUALLY PULLING FROM THEIR MANPOWER TO HELP US. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE I GUESS, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT WAY. 
          BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED THE NEW, WE NEED THE MANPOWER, WE NEED THE WORK TRUCKS ROAD. 
          SO ONE, THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES THIS YEAR IS MANPOWER. 
          ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS REQUIRED TO HAVE AND KEEP THEIR CDL LICENSE? YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S ONE OF MY MANDATES IS, UH, WHEN I HIRE 'EM AND WE'LL HAVE A CDL AND, UH, KEEP IT FOR THE MINIMUM AT LEAST 10 YEARS, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE EMPLOYEE. 
          WELL, IF, IF I SAID IT'S UP TO THE UNION CONTRACT, I FALL UNDER THE FALLEN UNDER THE UNION CONTRACT WITH THE THINGS I CAN DO AND THINGS I CAN'T DO. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, AFTER THEY GET IN THERE, AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, THEY WANNA DROP IT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THE CONTRACT TO BACK. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM. 
          AND, AND PART ONE AGREEMENTS IS, IF I HIRE YOU, YOU BETTER BE HERE. 
          YOU BETTER COME UP FOR THE OVERTIME. 
          SO, SO WITH THE, THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE HAVING WITH MANPOWER AND STAFFING, IS THAT MORE, UM, HAVING PEOPLE COME IN OR USING TIME OR JUST NOT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE? UM, 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THE CDL WITH THE NEW REGULATIONS ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT IS IT THE ELDT DRIVER TRAINING THAT STARTED THIS YEAR THAT THEY'VE KIND OF SHIFTED THE MANDATES AND THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CDL NOW? MM-HMM . 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S GOING TO BE BECOME MORE CHALLENGING WITHOUT FUNDING THE TRAINING. 
          SO I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS, SO WITH EXISTING, SO HIRING PEOPLE ON WITH THE, UM, OR HAS THE TOWN MADE A PLAN? HAS I ALWAYS MADE A PLAN OF PROVIDING TRAINING UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES? WHAT I, AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO, WHAT I DID IS, UM, THE CONTACTED STATE AND THEY HAVE A TRAIN TRAINER. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS THE KIND HAMMER, RIGHT NOW THE HIRING DEPARTMENT IS A TRAIN TRAINER PROGRAM NOW. 
          SO WE GOT CERTIFIED TO DO IT. 
          SO YOU CAN COME WITH YOU, LIKE YOU CAN COME WITH YOUR PERMIT AND YOU, WE CAN TRAIN YOU AND WE CAN SEE THAT OBVIOUSLY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, OTHER TRAINING SCHOOLS AND WE CAN, WE CAN CERTIFY YOU AND YOU CAN GO GET YOUR LICENSE. 
          SO I, WE, WE, WE, WE TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT BECAUSE WE HEARD THERE WAS COMMENTS. 
          SO I HAD THE ASSISTANCE FROM, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENTS AND, AND THEY, UH, KIND OF DIRECTED ME A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND, UH, WE DID GET CERTIFIED. 
          SO. 
          SO YOU GUYS HAVE LIKE ONE PERSON WHO'S CERTIFIED TO DO THAT? UH, NO. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A FIVE, I HAD A MINIMUM OF FIVE, FIVE PEOPLE, BUT MY SENIOR DRIVERS, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL THE CERTIFIED PEOPLE NOW. 
          SO THE NEW, THE NEW HIRES HAVE TO GO WITH ONE OF 'EM GUYS IN THE SIGNED THEM OFF. 
          SO ARE ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN BG THAT YOU'RE PULLING OVER OR ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN BG, ARE THEY, DO THEY HAVE THEIR CVS? UH, I THINK ONE OR TWO OF THEM. 
          DO MOST OF 'EM JUST COME OVER AND THEY WAIT? MM-HMM . 
          WE HAVE A TWO MAN PLOW TRUCK, SO THEY COME OVER, THEY WORK, THEY PATROL AND STUFF. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY COVERED THAT IN THE BEGINNING. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN FOR AS FAR AS RECENT HISTORY HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN THE STAFFING LEVELS THERE OVER A TIME 10, 15 YEARS AGO WHERE IT WAS LESS OR MORE WHERE THERE'S BEEN FLUCTUATION. 
          ANYBODY KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OF THIS FOR HERE ? NO. 
          ANY FRAME OF REFERENCE. 
          THIS, THIS IS THE LEAST MANPOWER SINCE I'VE BEEN, BUT I, I, I STARTED , THIS IS A GOOD A YEAR OF HAVE LOST MANPOWER. 
          SO, BUT I, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, WERE THE POSITIONS CUT OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN BEING LOSS? MAN, I THINK THE POSITIONS WERE CUT THE CSCA CONTRACTED ON, IN 2015 CALLED FOR MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS OF LIKE 31 IN HIGHWAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN . 
          SO WE LIKE LOST POSITIONS MAYBE AT THAT TIME? NO. 
          SO THAT CONTRACT MANDATED US TO HAVE 31. 
          SO GOING BACK TO FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE HAD 31 EMPLOYEES. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION I HAVE IS IN TERMS OF, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO INCREASE THE, THE PERSONNEL AND AGREEMENT, BUT, UM, I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE OVERTIME COST. 
          UH, IF WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO DECREASE THE OVERTIME INSTEAD OF INCREASE? IT DEPENDS ON, UM, OUR DEPARTMENT'S KIND OF UNIQUE BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER A LOT. 
          ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER TANK. 
          THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR OVERTIME COMES. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP A, A REAL CLOSE 
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ON, ON THE OVERTIME. 
          SO WE'RE FINISHED PAYMENT TODAY, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO STAY UNTIL GETTING DONE. 
          BUT USUALLY MOST OF OUR OVERTIME'S A SHORT WINDOW, UH, IN THE WINTER TIME. 
          SO ONCE THAT, ONCE THE WINDOW'S DONE AND YOU CLOSE THE WINDOW, THE OVERTIME KIND OF SLOWS WAY DOWN. 
          SO I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          MY, MY QUESTION ALSO, YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING IN THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEE HOW THINGS GO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, MORE OF, OF PERSONNEL COSTS, KEEP THE OVERTIME UNIT THE SAME AS IT WAS AND THEN ADJUST FROM THERE. 
          BUT TO INCREASE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSONNEL LINE, QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS AND INCREASE THE OVERTIME, TO ME, UM, IT, IT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY. 
          WE'VE ALSO REDUCED THE PART-TIME BUDGET BY 15,000, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO THE 15,000 IN OVERTIME. 
          UM, IT'S, I I MEAN, I THINK IT IS, I THINK WE, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO, TO FIND FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, UH, WITH BENEFITS AND THE COMPENSATION. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EDS DEPARTMENTS MUCH LIKE MOTHER, WE'VE HAD CERTAIN, A HARD TIME RECRUITING FOLKS. 
          MOST, MOST OF THE TIME WE GET SUMMER HELP. 
          IT'S JUST ALL KIDS COMING OUT OF COLLEGE AND YOU HEAR IT FROM A REALLY SHORT WINDOW, YOU HEAR IT FROM A MONTH AND THEN THEY GONE. 
          SO, SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          AND SO, AND I UNDERSTAND ALSO THE, THE NEED OF THE KEEPING UP WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT'S, THERE'S NO SHORTAGE ON COMPLAINTS AND WORK TO DO. 
          UM, BUT THE, FOR THE REQUEST FOR FOUR IN PARTICULAR IS THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REFERENCE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITH TAKING ON LIKE COUNTY CONTRACTED ROADS, THAT SORT OF THING, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE, UM, TO GET SOME, TO GET MORE FINANCIAL FROM THERE, DO YOU, IS IT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THESE POSITIONS OR ONLY WITH THESE POSITIONS? I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT, IT SEEMED TO LIKE, UH, YOU HAD ASKED SUGGESTION EARLIER WITH REC, IS THERE A PHASED APPROACH THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN HAVING, ADDING FORMAL POSITIONS? WELL, MY, MY GOAL WAS TO ADD POSITIONS AND SEE HOW WE STAND BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BRANCH OUT TO SEE IF WE CAN HANDLE MORE. 
          IF WE CAN'T HANDLE MORE, IF WE CAN JUST HANDLE WHAT WE GOT THEN, THEN I, YOU KNOW, I'D BE, I, I'D BE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BUT, UH, GOTCHA. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION TOO IS WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR PLOWS. 
          ARE WE BETTER TO PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY UP FRONT INTO GETTING OUR PLOW FLEET WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND THEN INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA INCREASE FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR SNOW PLOWING AND WE DON'T AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT ROAD WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          ARE WE BETTER TO PUT THE EMPHASIS WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WITH, WITH THE TWO PLUGS THAT WE JUST PURCHASED, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CATCHING UP. 
          IT'S JUST, JUST THERE WAS A BIG, WAS A LAP THERE FOR A WHILE, SO NOW I'M TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR, FOR LOST TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          I KNOW WE JUST DID THE TWO. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK WE DID ONE PREVIOUSLY, SO, SO WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          WE'RE GETTING THERE, YES. 
          BUT, UM, IN THE MAJOR STORM, MY, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS JUST, IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RUN AROUND THE CLOCK, YOU RUN OUTTA GUYS PRETTY FAST. 
          SO WE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RUN, YOU RUN 16, YOU HAVE TO BE OFF AT EIGHT OR EIGHT HOURS AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER CREW RUN 16 AND THEY HAVE TO BE OFF. 
          SO SOMETIMES WE OVERLAP AND WE RUN, WE ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE POUNDS ON THE ROAD AT ONE TIME. 
          AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO I LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST, AT LEAST SIX PLOW TRUCKS ON THE ROAD ALL THE TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR HELP FROM THE COUNTY OF THE STATE. 
          SO WHEN THEY'RE ON THOSE 16 THOUGH, THAT'S OVER TIME FOR THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING OVER HAPPENS THREE O'CLOCK IT'S TIME. 
          SO THEN THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A DECREASE WE WOULD HOPE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE MORE PLOW DRIVERS AND THEN THEY'RE NOT HAVING NO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS HAVING TO DO THOSE 16 HOUR SHIFTS, RIGHT? WELL, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME 60 HOUR SHIFTS, BUT I SAID IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE WEATHER IN THE STORMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES. 
          BUT IS IT IS, I'M GOING BE FURTHER BESIDES JUST PLOWING THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, MORE SERVICE FOR THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PATCHING AND STUFF, GETTING MORE CREWS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING COMPLACE BOTTLES AND YOU THE BRUSH PICKUP AND NOW WE'RE GOING INTO THE LEAF SEASON, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP THE LEAVES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO IT, IT'S JUST, UH, JUST CON THIS, WHAT WE DO IS ALL THE TIME WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP BECAUSE WE WE'RE SHORT MANPOWER, WE HAVE VACATION TIME, YOU KNOW, SICK, EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO I, I, I NEED THE MANPOWER TO, TO MAKE UP FOR EVERYTHING. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONFINES TOO OF YOUR OVERTIME IS DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS CONSTRUCTED, THAT YOU COULDN'T RUN LIKE EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS WHERE ONE GOES ON FROM SEVEN TO THREE AND THEN THREE TO 11. 
          NO, JUST AVOID THEM OVERTIME BECAUSE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WHAT I CAN DO A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, IS LOOKING AT ADDING THE FOUR EMPLOYEES ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT RETIREMENTS, WE KEEP HITTING ON RETIREMENTS AND UM, I'M A BIG ONE TOO FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LONG TERM AND THAT WE CAN HANDLE. 
          UM, HOW MANY RETIREMENTS ARE WE ANTICIPATING IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS? LIKE WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO GET THESE YOUNGER TIER SIX EMPLOYEES ON WHO DON'T 
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COST US QUITE AS MUCH AND CAN LEARN THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND LEARN FROM A MORE EXPERIENCED DRIVER WHO MAY SAY, THIS AREA ICE IS OVER REAL FAST, YOU GOTTA KEEP AN EYE ON IT. 
          OR THIS, THIS AREA IS PRONE TO TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. 
          WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT AT LEAST TWO TO THREE PRIORITIES IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE MY SENIOR GUYS, SO, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN THERE TO WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, THE MANPOWER IN, IN, IN, ESPECIALLY MY DEPARTMENT, WE'RE ABOUT, WE'RE ABOUT ALL ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS, YOU KNOW, IS IS PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO I THINK, UM, THE COMMENT THAT, I DUNNO IF IT'S SEAN HANDLED, KAREN MADE THOSE, YOU KNOW, SAME IDEA OF A PHASE MM-HMM. 
          APPROACH, UM, TO, TO CONSIDER TOO, AND TO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF. 
          IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE POSITION THAT WAS ADDED, WOULD THAT STILL TOUCH YOU WELL TO HAVE ANOTHER IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, UM, TAKING ON MORE WORK, THAT SORT OF THING? WELL, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO ESTABLISH OUR WORK FIRST, MAKE SURE WE COULD HANDLE IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BEFORE I REACH OUT, IT WAS DEFINITELY A, WAS A THOUGHT BECAUSE IF WE DID TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUES THAT WOULD COME IN FROM THAT WOULD HELP, WOULD HELP SUPPLEMENT THE UH, UH, BUT THE ONLY OTHER DOWN THE LINE QUESTION I HAVE BESIDES THE, UH, PERSONAL SERVICES LINE IS DO YOU HAVE ANY LINE FOR TRAINING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TRAINING I ADDED, I ADDED, UM, OH, SOMEONE, SORRY. 
          I ADDED, UM, A LITTLE MONEY TO THAT. 
          'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, A BIG BUDGET FOR TREE REMOVAL, UM, ON TOWN RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, TWO YEARS AGO OR LAST YEAR, WE SPENT $259,000 ON IT. 
          THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          SO WHAT I'M DOING IS, I'M IN A NEGOTIATION RIGHT NOW WITH THE DILIGENT HAMMER. 
          THEY'RE SELLING THEIR OWN BUCKET TRUCK. 
          WE'VE BEEN USING IT ON A DAY TO DAY, YOU KNOW, SHARED SERVICES. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE OFFERING, YOU CAN SELL IT TO US AT A VERY REDUCED RATE. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT IN, MAKE IT PART OF MY DEPARTMENT AND START A A A A TREE, A TREE CREW THAT GOES OUT AND THEY CAN SAVE US. 
          THEY COULD SAVE US A TON OF MONEY, JUST PUT OUR GUYS DOING IT ON A DAILY BASIS, SUBCONTRACTING IT OUT. 
          'CAUSE ON A TREE SURFACE BETWEEN THREE, THREE TO 4,000 A TREE TO TAKE DOWN. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED TREES RIGHT NOW IN THE TONGUE RIGHT AWAY, THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, ABSORB DOWN THE LINE. 
          UH, THAT, THAT TIES INTO MY QUESTION, WHICH IS, UM, THE MISCELLANEOUS BRUSHING WEEDS CONTRACTED PERSONNEL SERVICES. 
          UM, AGAIN, MY THOUGHT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE PERSONNEL YES, THAT SHOULD BE AN AREA WE COULD DECREASE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, AND I, I'M REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE, THE, THE TREES BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO WHAT I WANNA DISCUSS WHEN WE GOT TO B AND G. 
          UM, BUT I WANTED PAT TO BE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW IN B AND G WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BY GOING OUT AND GETTING THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED. 
          AND I JUST WONDERING, IN THIS BUDGET, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE SAME? UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I I DIDN'T SEE A LINE ITEM AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND SERVICES GOING UP DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'RE ADDING PERSONNEL AND OVERTIME COSTS. 
          WELL, MY ONLY, MY ONLY ISSUE WAS WITH THAT WAS IS I WAS, I WAS AFRAID IF WE DIDN'T GET THE BUCKET TRUCK OR SOMETHING AND I HAD TO GO OUT OR I HAD A CONTRACT FOR, I SAID IT COST THREE TO THREE TO $4,000 A TREE. 
          AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, WE'RE UP TO RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES UP THERE. 
          BUT IT'S IF, IF I GET BILLED TO VILLAGE OF HAMBURG TRUCK AND WE GET IT AND WE CAN ACTUALLY START USING IT AND WE CAN SAVE A TON OF MONEY WITH THIS CUSTOMER OURSELVES. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU MIND TELLING US BALLPARK THE SAVINGS? YOU KNOW, THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTING THE, THE TREE SERVICE? IT IS TOUGH TO GIVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER, BUT I'LL SAY $10,000 WOULD BE, UH, SOME YEARS WE WOULD SPEND 15, 20 SOME YEARS WE WOULD SPEND 5, 6, 7, 8, DEPENDING ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES. 
          UM, WHEN WE PURCHASED A, A TREE LIFT, WHICH WE GO INTO THE WOODS AND STUFF, NOT, NOT FOR THE ROAD, BUT FOR ACTUALLY HAS TRACKS ON IT AND THAT WE SPENT PROBABLY UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ON TREES FOR PER CONTRACTING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THE REST WAS ALL DONE IN HOUSE. 
          SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SECURE THAT BUCKET TRUCK, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU, PAT? WE'D BE ABLE, WE COULD SHARE SERVICES LIKE IF YOU ARE CLEANING UP A PARK OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO GO IN AND YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE ALWAYS SHARE SERVICE. 
          UH, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM SHARING. 
          WE HAVE A VERY GOOD, UH, YOU AND I ITEGRATED WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT WHERE THE MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING. 
          AND NOW WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED, UM, A HUNDRED US FOR 180, THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO PURCHASE THERE? PURCHASE THERE? NO, THE BUCKET TRUCK, UM, THE VILLAGE, UM, A COUPLE YEARS 
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AGO WE PURCHASED A, UH, A MULTI, UM, IT'S CALLED A CRACK SEALER THAT THE VILLAGE AND, AND THE TOWN ONE HAS ON. 
          SO WE DON'T USE IT AS MUCH. 
          AND I OFFERED IF THEY WOULD TAKE THAT, 'CAUSE THEY USE IT MORE THAN WE REDO, THEY GIVE US A REDUCED RATE ON THE BUCKET TRUCK. 
          SO THEY AGREED WITH THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING SOMETHING UP RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I WAS GONNA WAIT TO GET IT BACK BEFORE I SAID ANYTHING BUT, WELL, WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE CORRECT CEILING. 
          YES. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEY USE IT MORE THAN WE DO, SO, SO THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING IT AT THEIR PLACE AND WE'VE USED IT, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE A DOZEN TIMES SO FAR. 
          SO THE CONSERVATION BOARD, IT, IT, IT COMES UP ALMOST AT EVERY MEETING, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS AND JUST THE FACT THAT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE, UM, BOASH TREES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST DECADE OF, OF LOST TREES AND WE'VE BEEN ON SITE TO SEVERAL PLAYGROUNDS AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOP ISSUES IS, IS TRIMMING JUST SIMPLY TRIMMING TREES OR, UM, TAKING TREES OUT. 
          SO I WOULD, IF YOU DO HAVE A SENSE OF AN IDEA, UH, I KNOW WE'VE SAVED, YOU KNOW, BALLPARK POSSIBLY AS MUCH AS 10,000 A YEAR ALREADY, B AND G IF WE COULD DO THE SAME IN HIGHWAY, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS FOR THE BUCKET. 
          I, I FEEL THAT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN, IT'S PROBABLY MONEY WELL SPENT. 
          I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UM, WE, I, WE DID A, UH, SURVEY OF ALL THE POUND TREES AND TOWN RIGHT AWAY AND IT GETS INTO ABOUT A HUNDRED TREES UP THERE NOW IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME DOWN. 
          I'M TRYING, TRYING TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE AND, AND, UM, SO JUST THAT ALONE, BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO $4,000 TREE, YOU'RE TALKING A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          $35,000 TO JUST DO WHAT'S ALREADY, WE ALREADY KNOW NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SPENDING, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN GOALS, ESPECIALLY NOW IN THE FALL SEASON, SEND A, SEND A CREW OUT JUST TO, JUST TO START CUTTING 'EM AND TAKING THE WORST ONES DOWN BEFORE THEY DO FALL DOWN. 
          AND SO, WELL, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE MINDFUL OF GOOD MAINTENANCE, THAT WHEN WE DO GET THESE BIG STORMS WITH THE BIG GUSTS THAT WE'RE PRONE TO ALONG THIS AREA, WE'RE NOT GOING AND THEN CLEANING UP A MESS OF A TREE THAT'S PARTIALLY FALLEN AND NOW YEP. 
          IT'S MORE  YOU SAID? UH, JUST, UM, OFF OF, UM, HEAT AND EVER CENTER ROAD, WE HAD A, THERE'S A, A SUBDIVISION BACK THERE AND THE TREE FELL AND I HAD TO CONTRACTED UP 'CAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, ABOUT 60 INCHES AROUND AND WE, WE HAD NO, NO THING TO DO IT. 
          AND THAT COST, THE TOWN WAS $10,000 TO TAKE IT DOWN. 
          SO I, I JUST THINK IF WE WOULD'VE BEEN LITTLE BIT A LITTLE MAINTENANCE ON US CUTTING IT DOWN AND WE WOULD SAVED US JUST RIGHT THERE ALONE, THAT ONE TREE WOULD COST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SAVED US AT LEAST 10,000 RIGHT THERE, SO. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, I COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE POPPING ALL OVER THE PLACE ON YOUR LINES HERE, , BUT I WANNA GO BACK TO THE SEMINARS AND TRAINING FOR, FOR ONE REASON. 
          UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE, THE $15,000, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FREE TRAINING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR LIKE, WINNIE CASH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I'M LOOKING AT IT, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR, UH, ONE DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR THAT'S, THAT'S DOUBLE THE SIZE OF YOUR DEPARTMENT AND BREAKING IT UP OR LIKE POLICE, I THINK THEY'RE $20,000 FOR TRAINING AND SEMINARS. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE AT 15 LOOKING AT 30 EMPLOYEES. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT NUMBER'S COMING FROM, UM, AND AND WHAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A YEAR WITH THAT? UM, I JUST SENT TWO GUYS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON TO TREE SCHOOL. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED TO OPEN A BUCKET TRUCK, LOT OF CUT, SO IT'S SAFE. 
          UM, JUST SENDING TWO GUYS, IT WAS, UM, ALMOST $5,500 JUST TO SEND IT TO PEOPLE. 
          SO WHAT MY, MY GOAL WAS, BECAUSE I UPPED IT, IS TO SEND TWO MORE. 
          AND SO I COULD HAVE AT LEAST FOUR GUYS. 
          SO IF THEY DO GET A MAJOR STORM, I CAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I CAN AT LEAST COUNT ON ONE OF THEM FOUR TO COME IN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY'RE SAFE AND THAT THESE CERTIFY, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE, BUT FOR LIKE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TREE TRAINING, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULDN'T BE AS HIGH OF A COST FOR PER SET. 
          IT JUST BE LIKE A, A LARGE AMOUNT IN COMPARISON FOR THE TRAINING. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS THE RULE, THE BOARD TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH AND THEN THE PRICE FOR THE, FOR THE CLASS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I DON'T PLAYED OUT LIKE THAT. 
          AND UH, GOING FORWARD, I KNOW WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AND WE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, UM, APPLY FOR AND GET THAT OSEA UH, YES. 
          WELL SO, AND I KNOW BRIAN HAD SPENT TO BRIAN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT BACK ON TRACK BECAUSE THE TIMING FOR THAT GRANT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER. 
          IT'S TIMING. 
          IT'S, I THINK IT'S DUE IN FEBRUARY. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT PROVIDED A IN THE PAST THAT PROVIDED A LOT OF THE, UM, TRAINING NEEDS BOTH OF YOUR DEPARTMENT AND LIFEGUARDS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT GRANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET BACK ON TRACK. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BET. 
          UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION HE WAS GOING TO GET IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, NOW IT'S LIKE, NOW I'M STRUGGLING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET CLASSES IN NOW, ESPECIALLY THE FEDERAL MANDATED ONES THAT HAS TO BE THAT. 
          UM, NEXT WEEK I GOT TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, NEXT WEEK AN HOUR CLASS EVERY 
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DAY. 
          JUST THIS, JUST TO CATCH UP ON THE TRAINING. 
          YES. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE, UH, WE TOUCHED ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN ON PAGE 35, UM, ON 36. 
          AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE, UH, RETIREMENT HEALTH INSURANCE AND OTHER FIXED COSTS. 
          ANYTHING ELSE OR ADD OR HIGHWAY? IF I COULD JUST QUICKLY ADD, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALLOWED , BUT TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BUCKET TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT HELP US SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. 
          THE BUDGET IS BUILT AT THIS POINT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT, BUT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE COLLECTIVELY CAN DO AND USE ARPA PHONE FOR. 
          SO IF WE HAVE A MINDSET AND, AND A GOOD PLAN THAT THE FED CAN GET THIS TRUCK FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, IT'S GONNA SAVE US $30,000 A YEAR, THAT'S PAID BACK IN THREE YEARS ON ITS OWN, THE TOWN HAS ARPA FUNDS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT TRUCK AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO IMPACT THE BUDGET. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE B AND G AND HIGHWAY COULD REALLY USE THAT TRUCK AND IT COULD REALLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THE EXPENSES WE HAVE AND BRING A LOT OF THAT WORK IN-HOUSE FROM THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS. 
          PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ABSORB, ABSORB IT WITHOUT EITHER APPROPRIATING MORE INCREASE IN TAXES, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ARPA FUNDING THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE A A REALLY GOOD IDEA. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT. 
          WE CONTINUE MOVING DOWN THE ROAD AND GETTING ADAM AND PAT WHAT THEY, THEY THINK THEY NEED AND WHAT WE CAN SEE WOULD HELP US CUT DOWN ON HOW LONG COULD WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT TRUCK WOULD BE WE'RE GONNA AS WE SPEAK. 
          I, I . 
          AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WE WOULD THE, LIKE WHAT'S THE THE LIKE OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHY I WANT GET IN HERE, HAVE OUR, HAVE OUR MECHANICS GO THROUGH IT, GET IT INSPECTED, GET KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE HANDLE OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S GOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO HERE AND THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GO FROM THERE. 
          SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, ENTERPRISE, IF WE ENGAGE IN THAT CONTRACT MIGHT BE ABLE, I KNOW THEY DO SPECIALTY, UM, RIGHT EQUIPMENT FOR THE COUNTY, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THE STEPS THAT ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS GOING THROUGH IS GETTING WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND GETTING THEIR SPECIFIC VEHICLE NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS AND THEN GIVING THAT TO ENTERPRISE SO THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND SAY, YES, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          NO, WE CAN'T DO IT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE BUCKET TRUCKS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY INVOLVE INVOLVED ENTERPRISE DISCUSSION TO SAY, CAN YOU FILL THIS? UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE ARPA FUNDS COULD EASILY SUPPORT A BRAND NEW TRUCK THAT ED WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING LIKE BORROWED AND BORROWED FROM THE MM-HMM  AND I THINK THE BUCKET TRUCK WILL BE A USEFUL TOOL TO THE TOWN TO HAVE. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE PROCURE IT, WE THINK NEED TO START THINKING MORE THAN JUST THIS BUDGET YEAR. 
          WE NEED TO START THINKING FIVE AND 10 BUDGET YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          HOW CAN WE START PUTTING THE SQUIRRELING A LITTLE AWAY SO THAT WHEN WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING ON ALL THESE SUPER FUN QUESTIONS AGAIN ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF THE BUCKET TRUCK. 
          I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I WAS BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL WHEN I GOT IN HERE, SO TRY TO TAKE CATCH UP. 
          TRYING TO GET, BEING OLDER AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH MANPOWER. 
          SO WE TRY TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS ED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL PAUSE THERE IN THE BUDGET AND THIS WILL BE DIRECT FOR OUR NEXT BUDGET MEETING. 
          UM, AND NOW WE WILL GO THROUGH MR. RILEY, THANK YOU. 
          PUT AN AGENDA TOGETHER, HOPEFUL THROUGH, THROUGH THE, THE ITEMS IN THERE AND IF I CAN HAVE FIVE MINUTES AT THE END WE CAN TALK ABOUT TONIGHT'S WHAT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND ALSO OTHER ASSIGNMENTS THAT I'VE HAD. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA CONCENTRATE FIRST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TONIGHT. 
          UM, UH, SARAH AS YOU KNOW, IS OUT SICK SO I KNOW SHE CAN'T ATTEND THE TOWN BOARD MEETING LATER. 
          SO IF ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT THE TOWN BOARD, UH, MAY, LEMME KNOW. 
          ALRIGHT, SO FOR TONIGHT'S AN AGENDA, I WANNA GO QUICKLY THROUGH, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY WHERE THE SCHEDULE IS. 
          THE SECOND PART OF YOUR PACKET IN THERE IS THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS. 
          I'M HERE YOU, WE ARE HERE. 
          UH, WE FINISHED UP OUR PUBLIC MEETING. 
          WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE. 
          I'VE GOTTEN THEIR INPUT. 
          THEY HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE WEEK TO GET ME ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WE HAVE QUITE A FEW YOU'LL SEE IN THERE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING AND, AND INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS FROM PLANNING FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          THEY ARE ANONYMOUS. 
          I TOLD 'EM I WOULD NOT PUT THEIR NAME IN THERE. 
          YOU'LL SEE A LONG LISTING OF COMMENTS FROM THE CONFERENCE AND PLAN COMMITTEE. 
          UH, SO THEY FELT THAT THEY COULD COMMENT AND MAKE ANY COMMENT THEY WOULD LIKE 
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ABOUT IT. 
          UM, SO WE HEARD SOME, UH, SOME OF YOU WERE, I KNOW YOU HAD A MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, SO HE, HE DID COME DOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT AND SAW THE END OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD PUBLIC MEETING. 
          SOME, SOME STANDARD COMMENTS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY THERE. 
          UM, HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          THE COMMITTEE, UH, HAD SOME GENERIC COMMENTS. 
          HAD SOME OVERALL COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THE BIGGEST COMMENT WE GOT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THEY THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS TOO, LIKE AT THE END WE PUT IN ALL THE REGIONAL PLANS IN THE FRONT OF THE DOCUMENT AND THEY THOUGHT IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS MORE LIKE A REGIONAL PLAN AND ALL WE WERE LISTENING TO WAS THE REGIONAL PLANS. 
          SO I AGREED TO JUST SUMMARIZE 'EM THERE AND PUT THEM IN THE APPENDIX. 
          AND THE TWO PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED ON THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA INSTEAD OF MAKING IT SOUND LIKE YOU READ THROUGH THREE PAGES OF WHAT THE REGIONAL PLANS WERE SAYING. 
          THE REGIONAL PLANS ARE IMPORTANT THOUGH IF YOU ARE TO GO TO GET CFAS AND WHATEVER YOU WANNA REFERENCE THOSE REGIONAL PLANS AS PART OF YOUR PLAN THAT YOUR PLANS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGIONAL PLANS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THIS COMP PLAN THAT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE REGIONAL PLANS. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET, LIKE I ALWAYS KNOW AND I'VE BEEN DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FOR 35 YEARS, THE PUBLIC WILL FOCUS ON MAPS. 
          SO I DO HAVE COPIES OF SOME OF THE MAPS IN HERE 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE MAPS. 
          UH, THERE ARE FOUR MAPS IN THERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S THE NEW AGRICULTURAL MAP, WHICH COULD CHANGE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS BECAUSE I FINALLY GOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO AGREE TO GET ME SOME INFORMATION THAT I MAY ADD TO IN THE AGRICULTURAL SECTION. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S AN AGRICULTURAL MAP. 
          THERE IS A MAP SHOWING TOWN PROPOSED PROJECT AND THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          I PUT AN ASTERISK ON THERE. 
          THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING THOUGHT ABOUT BY THE TOWN. 
          THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED. 
          MANY OF THEM ARE WATERFRONT RELATED. 
          AND THERE'S A BIG ASTERISK ON THERE THAT DIS CONFERENCE OF PLAN WILL NOT DECIDE ON THOSE WATERFRONT PLANS, BUT YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE. 
          WHEN THE LWRP IS ADOPTED, THE LWRP IS THE CONTROLLING CONFERENCE PLAN FOR THE WATERFRONT. 
          AS YOU ALL YOU ALL KNOW, THE CONFERENCE PLAN DOES NOT CONTROL THE WATERFRONT. 
          YOUR LWRP CONTROLS THE WATERFRONT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE PROJECTS CALLED OUT FOR IN YOUR LWRP, VERY IMPORTANT FACT, YOU WILL THEN QUALIFY FOR LWRP IMPLEMENTATION DOLLARS. 
          AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET MONEY FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO DO LARGE WATERFRONT PROJECTS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN GET TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 
          A LOT OF THAT MONEY GOES UNCLAIMED EVERY YEAR. 
          SO GET A GOOD LWRP AND AND START THOSE WATERFRONT PROJECTS. 
          SO WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THOSE PROJECTS AS YOU GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR WATERFRONT PROJECT. 
          SO PEOPLE FOCUSED ON THAT AND SAID, HEY, THAT THAT MARINA STUDY, THAT OTHER THING HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. 
          WE'RE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THEM ON THERE. 
          THE LWRP HAS GOTTA MAKE IT LAST. 
          I ALSO HAVE TO FIX IN THAT MAP, I'M EMBARRASSED I HAVE UBER BEACH IN THE WRONG LOCATION, BUT, UH, SOMEBODY POINTED THAT OUT TO ME. 
          , THERE WAS A COUPLE, WE HAD IT POINTING TO THE WRONG SPOT. 
          UM, THE OTHER TWO, THE OTHER THREE MAPS ARE, THE OTHER TWO MAPS ARE THE ZONING THINGS. 
          THEY ARE NOT FINAL DECISIONS ON THOSE MAPS, BUT THEY WERE ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          IN FACT, WE HAD TO GO TO A SECOND MAP AS WE STARTED TO GET OTHER COMMENTS. 
          THEY'RE CALLED ZONING ISSUES AND OTHER COMMENTS. 
          PLEASE TAKE A LOOK THROUGH THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE WHAT WE DID TO IDENTI TO IDENTIFY ZONING ISSUES IN THE TOWN AND BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THEM IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO EVERYTHING IN THERE IS IDENTIFIED ON THOSE MAPS. 
          THERE MAY NOT BE A CONCLUSION ON THOSE MAPS, BUT THERE IS A CONCLUSION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WHAT I DID FOR YOU TOO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          THE CONFERENCE PLAN OVERALL DOCUMENT IS ABOUT 300 PAGES. 
          BUT THE PLAN ITSELF, WE TRY TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET ABOUT 60 PAGES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, WE HAVE SUMMARIZED ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN, EIGHT PAGE SPREADSHEETS OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO LOOK. 
          WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS IS WE'RE WORKING WITH BETH AND WITH THE COMMITTEE IS HOW DO WE CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT THE TOWN BOARD CAN USE. 
          CAN'T JUST HAVE A EIGHT PAGE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW YOU'RE GONNA GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THOSE THINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          I ALSO WANNA MAKE A BIG POINT, AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS THE OTHER NIGHT, I'VE SAID IT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL HAS TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          THE BIGGEST PART OF IMPLEMENTATION WILL BE YOU AS THE TOWN BOARD. 
          THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND HIRE A CONSULTANT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THREE EVERY YEAR YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS CONFERENCE PLAN, YOU'LL USE IT IN YOUR BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          YOU WILL GET REPORTS FROM COMMITTEES ON WHAT THEY DID FOR THE YEAR. 
          WHAT DO THEY DO WANNA DO FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IS, AND ALL THE AWARDS NATIONALLY HAVE BEEN ABOUT IT BEING A LIVING 
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DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY YEAR. 
          THE WORLD CHANGES TOO QUICKLY TO, TO HAVE A PLAN JUST BE, HEY, THIS IS MY PLAN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          THE OVERARCHING DIRECTION OF THE TOWN STAYS, STAYS GOOD FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS WITH ALL THOSE LITTLE ACTIONS WITHIN THERE WILL BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I'M, I'M JUMPING DOWN, BUT WHAT YOU WILL DO, WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS, TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WHAT YOU APPEND TO IT BY LAW. 
          YOU CAN APPEND OTHER STUDIES AND REPORTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKING IT PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR NOW. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          CHRIS HALL WILL APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPEND THE IMPEDIMENT FOR FAIR HOUSING REPORT AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT WILL BE PART OF THE LOCAL LAW. 
          THE GATEWAY PROJECT THAT YOU JUST SAID COMPLETED I MY UNDERSTANDING THE TOWN IS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THAT DOCUMENT. 
          WE WILL APPEND THAT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT WILL BECOME PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER DOCUMENTS I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. 
          ONCE THE CHILD WIDE DRAINAGE STUDY IS DONE AND YOU'RE ACCEPTING OF IT, I WANNA PEN THAT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA PEN TO THE PLAN YET, BECAUSE I HEAR IT'S A DRAFT REPORT, THERE'S A MARINA AND FEASIBILITY STUDY ABOUT BOAT LAUNCH THAT'S NOT READY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THROUGH THE LWR RRP, YOU COULD ALSO APPEND THAT TO THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS NOT AS IMPORTANT OR THERE THERE COULD BE INCLUDED JUST WITH THE, THAT COULD FALL INTO  AND THE LW RP RIGHT? PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPENDED BECAUSE IT'S ALL WATERFRONT RELATED. 
          SO AS YOU DO STUDIES AND REPORTS, ORCHARD PARK HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. 
          WHEN I DID THEIR PLAN 10 YEARS AGO, EVERY YEAR THEY APPENDED AND IT'S PRETTY FUNNY NOW WHEN THEY ASK TO SEE THE CONFERENCE PLAN, THEY'LL SAY, WELL THIS IS THE CONFERENCE PLAN, BUT HERE ARE THE 15 STUDIES THAT ARE APPENDED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT, THAT WE USE IN MAKING DECISIONS. 
          SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE BIG CHANGE IN THE PLAN IS, AS I TALKED BEFORE, IS YOU RECEIVED A GRANT FROM ERIE COUNTY TO ADD A SEPARATE AGRICULTURAL SECTION TO YOUR COMP PLAN. 
          YOU NOW HAVE A SEPARATE AGRICULTURAL SECTION. 
          IT IS IN HERE. 
          IT'S NOT A LONG SECTION, IT'S THREE PAGES AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS PART OF THAT GRANT IS THEY NOT ONLY WANTED A ANALYSIS OF AGRICULTURAL, THEY WANTED US TO COME UP WITH LOCAL LAW CHANGES. 
          I HAVE IN YOUR PACKET TWO PROPOSED LOCAL LAW CHANGES AS YOU GO TO IMPLEMENT IT. 
          YOU CAN WAIT TILL YOU ADOPT THE CONFERENCE PLAN OR THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GO FORWARD. 
          THOSE THOSE TWO ACTIONS ARE CREATING AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN APPLY TO PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST 20 PROPERTIES THAT WE BELIEVE COULD HAVE THAT AGRICULTURAL ZONING. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN THAT COULD DO IT. 
          YOU COULD HAVE GREEN, SOME OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE ARE AGRICULTURAL RELATED OR LARGE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT YOU COULD REZONE. 
          AGRICULTURAL, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A VERY NICE, I'VE RESEARCHED HUNDREDS OF AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT 'CAUSE IT ALLOWS AGRICULTURAL BUT ALLOWS SOME OTHER AGRICULTURAL RELATED RELATED THINGS. 
          AND A HAMBURG, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, IS NOT A, A PRIME AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, BUT WE WANNA INCORPORATE AGRICULTURAL INTO OUR FUTURE. 
          SO WE WANNA ALLOW CREATIVITY IN THAT FARMLAND AND, AND, AND WHATEVER. 
          SO THE AGRICULTURE ZONING WILL ALLOW VERY CREATIVE, UH, AGRICULTURAL, AGRICULTURAL RELATED USES. 
          WHAT WE ALWAYS SAY IS, A FARMER IN THE, IN A TOWN LIKE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS TO HAVE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE ECONOMIC RETURNS ON THE PROPERTY IF THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ALSO A WAY OF STATE OF NEW YORK SAYS IT'S A WAY OF PRESERVING OPEN SPACE OF HAVING AGRICULTURAL AND AGRICULTURAL RELATED. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S YEAH, HOW DOES IT YOU WERE, LOOK, I KNOW YOU WANTED YEAH. 
          HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE AMOUNT OF REZONING THAT WE'RE DOING THAT OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES WHERE THERE'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND REVERSING THE ZONING OR CHANGING THE ? WELL YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE AN OLD SCHOOL, A RRA DISTRICT, WHICH REALLY NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          IT ALLOWS AGRICULTURAL, BUT IT ALLOWS ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          MATTER OF FACT, YOU'LL SEE IN THIS NAG DISTRICT, WE'RE GONNA LIMIT SUBDIVISIONS. 
          WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IN A TRUE AGRICULTURAL ZONING YOU CAN SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T SPLIT YOUR PROPERTY AND HAVE SUBDIVISIONS, BUT YOU HAVE TO OFFER OTHER THINGS. 
          SO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR CURRENT AR ZONING DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T HAVE AR ZONING IN THE TOWN. 
          A IT'S A RRA. 
          ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YOU WON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR TOWN. 
          BUT THERE'S SPECIFIC PROPERTIES WE WANT, WHETHER IT'S 20, 25, 30 PROPERTIES WE WANNA ZONE TO THIS NEW AGRICULTURAL, IT'S A DIFFERENT TOOL. 
          WHEN I WAS ON HUNTING BOARD, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PUSH BY DEVELOPERS TO TAKE PARK PARCELS. 
          OUR, YEAH, WE'RE WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF ACTIVE FARMS. AND GRANTED THEY WERE SMALL FARMS, BUT THEY WERE ACTIVE SMALL HISTORICALLY. 
          SO YEAH, I I DIDN'T EVEN, I DIDN'T PAY MEGAN TO DO THIS. 
          BUT THE NEXT PART OF THAT IS, IS DO AN AGRICULTURAL OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN SOUTH CENTRAL PART OF THE TOWN. 
          AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, EVEN IF I DON'T REZONE PROPERTIES THAT AGRICULTURAL PEOPLE DON'T WANT, I HAVE AN OVERLAY THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT 
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THAT THIS IS AN AGRICULTURAL AREA AND HAS ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS TO DEVELOPING AND WHATEVER. 
          AND THE THIRD MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THAT, AND I'VE SAID THAT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, IS 25 YEARS, YOU CANNOT EXTEND SEWERS IN THAT AREA. 
          A MATTER OF FACT, YOU SHOULD, I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS IN THE COUNTY, REMOVE THAT AREA FROM THE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT. 
          THERE ARE NO PLANS EVER TO SEWER. 
          THE TOWN SHOULD NOT BE SEWING THAT AREA AND IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE AGRICULTURAL, I MEAN FROM THE SEWER DISTRICT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GIVE DEVELOPERS LET'S THAT HEY, THIS SEWER DISTRICT, WE CAN EXTEND SEWERS IN THAT AREA. 
          WELL, AND IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO US, THEY HAVE SEEN THRIVING, UH, MICRO FARM COMMUNITIES YEP. 
          THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY CAN SHARE RESOURCES LIKE CHAPTERS. 
          THEY CAN SHARE RESOURCES LIKE, UM, GETTING THEIR GOODS TO MARKET OR GETTING TO FARMER'S MARKETS AND THINGS OF THAT. 
          AND THEY TURN IT INTO LITTLE LIKE AGRITOURISM INDUSTRY. 
          I KNOW WEST FALLS HAS GOT PRIVATE AREAS, THE SPRINGVILLE OF THESE LITTLE MICRO FARMS. BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP ALONG OUR SMALLER FARMS, YOU'RE ALMOST CHOKING UP THE SMALLER FARMS. RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S 20 OTHER THINGS THE TOWN CAN DO IF THEY REALLY WANT, AS THE GOAL SAID, AGRICULTURAL IS FAR PART OF YOUR FUTURE IS THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS IDA CAN DO THINGS, THERE'S OTHER GREATER CREATIVE THINGS. 
          THERE'S A LIST OF 20, 25 THINGS IN THAT AGRICULTURAL SECTION ABOUT THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          WHAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THESE THINGS. 
          SO, AND THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP ARE EXACTLY THE IMPETUS FOR WHY WE WROTE THE GRANT SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND HAVE IT BECOME PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S THRIVING IDEAS. 
          LIKE ROCHESTER HAS A COMMUNITY OF ADULTS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES THAT THEY RUN ON FARM, A PROFITABLE FARM, AND IT OFFERS WORK OPPORTUNITIES TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND FARMERS. 
          I SAID, I SAID AT THE FIRST MEETING, MY KIDS GREW UP, I PAID A FARMER FOR MY KIDS TO GO WORK ON THE FARM SO THEY COULD LEARN ABOUT WHAT FARMING IS AND FARMING, WE GOT BENEFIT AND WHATEVER. 
          THOSE ARE THE THINGS THE BECKER FARMS DOES THAT FOR YEARS AND WHATEVER. 
          THERE'S A PLACE IN CLARENCE THAT DOES THAT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THINGS UNDER NORMAL ZONING YOU COULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO GOOD NEW. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT IT IS A CARROT AND STICK THING. 
          YOU'VE ALWAYS HEARD YOU SAY THAT TO HAVE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING THE WAY YOU WANT FOR TOWN, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE TO HAVE STICKS THAT SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY THESE RIGHTS, BUT WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU ALL THESE OTHER RIGHTS IN RETURN. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PLANNING BOARD'S ROLE, RIGHT. 
          SO MUCH OF, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO LIMITED, UH, GUIDANCE WHEN IT COMES LIKE, OR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, A LOT OF WHAT PLANNING BOARD PUSHES BACK ON IS THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, AT LEAST FOR HAMBURG, IS HAVING THESE AREAS THAT ARE POPULATED WITH RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          BUT THEN WITHIN FIVE TO 10 MINUTES YOU ARE IN FARM COUNTRY AND THEN IN ANOTHER FIVE TO 10 MINUTES YOU'RE IN A PLAIN VILLAGE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A, LIKE IT'S A EUROPEAN, IT'S A EUROPEAN MODEL, WHICH THE, WHICH, UH, UH, THIS COUNTRY HAS STARTED TO ADOPT THAT. 
          IN EUROPE YOU HAVE CITIES AND VILLAGES AND THEN SHORT RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT IS AGRICULTURAL AND FARMLAND KIND OF HAMBURG IS BLESSED. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE SAY CURSE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ALL THREE BOUNDARIES WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          YOU HAVE URBANIZED AREAS, SUBURBAN AREAS, AND PEOPLE HATE WHEN I SAY HAMBURG SUBURBAN. 
          BUT THERE ARE SUBURBAN AREAS OF HAMBURG AND THERE ARE RURAL AREAS OF HAMBURG. 
          BUT THE RURAL HAND AREAS OF HAMBURGER ARE, WELL THEY WERE QUICKLY GOING AWAY. 
          WE'VE SLOWED IT DOWN AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SLOW IT DOWN TO HAVE THAT CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          NOW WHAT THAT DOES DO IS, AND THEN PEOPLE GET UPSET, IS THAT FORCES DEVELOPMENT IN MORE OF THE SUBURBAN URBANIZED AREAS. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE CONTINUE TO GONNA GET DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE. 
          THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. 
          YOU'RE A CLASS A COMMUNITY, 50,000 PEOPLE. 
          YOU HAVE A GREAT HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT SUPPORT SERVICES. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA MOVE HERE. 
          UM, IT IS TRYING TO HAVE THAT GROWTH OCCUR IN THE WAY YOU WANT TO. 
          I WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD DIE FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITY OR THE OTHER END. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THAT YOU HAVE THE DEMAND PRESSURE FOR GROWTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S CONTROLLING THAT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I SAID THAT'S WHAT SUBURBAN RAW IS SPINE DOES. 
          PEOPLE MOVE TO A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE WAY IT IS, BUT THEN EVERYBODY ELSE KEEPS MOVING THERE AND THEY GO, HEY, THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED. 
          NOW I'M GONNA MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO YOU WANNA TRY TO AVOID THAT AND KEEP THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE MOVE HERE FOR THE TOWN THAT FRIENDSHIP BUILT, WHAT, WHY DID THEY MOVE HERE? WHAT CAN WE ACCOMPLISH? SO I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE TWO LAWS THAT YOU JUST REFERENCED THAT YOU SAID THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS FOR RIGHT. 
          IF PRIOR TO THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IT. 
          UM, COULD YOU DESCRIBE PROGRAM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FROM THE BOARD AND WHEN AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS SO THAT WE DON'T LEAVE IT OUT THERE, BUT WE TAKE THE ACTION? I WOULD SAY, AND AGAIN IT MAY BE UM, BECAUSE THE AGRICULTURAL SECTION HERE, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER THAT YOU CAN BEGIN IMPLEMENTING THE AGRICULTURE SECTION NEW. 
          I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REVIEW THAT. 
          MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. 
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I HAVE TO GET THE FINAL VERSION TO THE AG COMMITTEE. 
          I'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. 
          YOU'LL SEE HIGHLIGHTS IN IT. 
          I'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. 
          I WANT TO GET TO THE AGRICULTURAL COMMITTEE AND MAKE SURE, SO FAR THEY'VE BEEN FULLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          AND WE HAD A VERY DIVERSE AGRICULTURAL SUBCOMMITTEE FROM PEOPLE LIKE LOCKWOOD AND OTHERS AND WHATEVER DIFFERENT, ALL ACROSS THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY. 
          I MET A GUY WHO, WHO GROWS SPROUTS IN A SMALL, A SMALL, UH, UH, BAR IN THE BACK AND HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN TURN SPROUTS OVER. 
          I MEAN, I THOUGHT I KNEW A LOT ABOUT AGRICULTURE, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING BUSINESS. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, I LIKE TO GET THAT TO THEM. 
          BUT ONCE I HAVE THAT AND YOUR COMMENTS TOMORROW IS I IS FOR YOU TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH THEM. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START AN ADOPTION PROCESS. 
          AS IT SAID, I'M GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU CAN GET ANY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINE, THE DEADLINE FOR THE NEXT BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          I HAVE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION IN THE THURSDAY BEFORE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, IF I'M AUTHORIZED, UH, TO PUT A RESOLUTION, BEGIN THE ADOPTION PROCESS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT FOR NOVEMBER 7TH THAT RELATE TO CONFERENCE PLAN APPLICATION. 
          I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO LAWS YET, BUT SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE SHOULD START THAT. 
          IF EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH THAT, THERE ARE ACTIONS THAT ARE HIGH PRIORITY AND THINGS THAT NEED TO GET DONE RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN YOUR PACKET, I HAVE THE NOTES FROM THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE I GAVE THEM TO, WE GAVE THEM TO THE END OF THIS WEEK TO GET ANY FINAL COMMENTS TO, THEY'VE BEEN COMMENTING ALL ALONG. 
          PLEASE PROVIDE US ANY FINAL COMMENTS. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE FROM THIS BOARD, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, I KNOW IT'S BUSY BUDGET SEASON, YOU HAVE MANY OTHER VERY IMPORTANT THINGS. 
          BUT ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE ON THE BIG PICTURE, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY THAT ONCE YOU AUTHORIZE ME TO BEGIN THIS ADOPTION PROCESS, I HAVE TO REFER THE THING TO THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY'S GONNA REVIEW IT. 
          I HAVE TO SEND IT TO ALL THESE OTHER AGENCIES UNDER THE SECRET COORDINATOR REVIEW FROM DEC TO YOU, NAME IT. 
          ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA CALL PUBLIC HEARING BLESS YOU. 
          AFTER YOU GET ALL THESE COMMENTS FROM ALL THESE AGENCIES AND YOU HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME BUS, UH, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS CALL ABOUT THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU AND THE CONFERENCE PLANNING COMMITTEE ARE GONNA HAVE TO AUTHORIZE. 
          YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THIS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT ADOPTING IN DECEMBER, BECAUSE I'LL NEED DECEMBER. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED, UM, FOR YOU TO, YOU AND THE CONFERENCE PLANNING COMMITTEE TO GIMME ANY DIRECTION ON MAKING CHANGES. 
          I'VE NEVER DONE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE HASN'T BEEN CHANGES TO IT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IF WE DO, YOU'VE, I'VE LEARNED THAT OVER THE YEARS. 
          THE MINUTE YOU SAY THIS IS IT, GUYS, YOU NEED TO COMMENT ON IT, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET COMMENTS ON IT. 
          SO THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, MAKE ANY REASONABLE REVISIONS AND THEN ADOPT THAT PLAN. 
          HOPEFULLY IT'S YOUR MEETING IN JANUARY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A TIME DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN? UH, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO PICK. 
          DID I PUT A SPECIFIC DATE ON THERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          YEAH, I THINK I DID PUBLIC HEARING NOVEMBER 21ST AT 2022. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO CALL THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          I'M GONNA DRAFT RESOLUTION, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO BE AUTHORIZED BY NEXT THURSDAY. 
          NEXT THURSDAY, RIGHT? NOT THIS THURSDAY, BUT THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY. 
          I HOPE IF I'M DOING MY MATH CORRECTLY. 
          YES. 
          NEXT, THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY. 
          SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, SO FAR IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, RIGHT? BUDGET SEASON, YOU GOT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          NOW I'M DUMPING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON YOU AND I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS LATER. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES. 
          UH, SO LET'S START WITH THE AGRICULTURAL OVERVIEW. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERLAY? YEP. 
          I JUST WANNA, BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE OVERLAYS DON'T AFFECT THE UNDERLYING ZONING. 
          ZONING, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE OTHER ZONING CHANGES. 
          AN OVERLAY SAYS THESE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S AN AGRICULTURE RELATED AREA. 
          SO I KNOW THAT ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THAT, IN THAT SOUTH CENTRAL PART ARE NOT GONNA BE REZONED TO THIS NEW AG DISTRICT. 
          THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME RA LEFT. 
          MOST OF IT ARE A LOT RA LEFT. 
          AND THEN THERE'LL BE SMALL PIECES OF SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          IT'LL JUST SAY THESE ARE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR WORKING. 
          DOES IT MAKE SENSE THOUGH, SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE TIME AND EFFORT TO IDENTIFY THESE, TO CONSIDER OR CHANGE SOME OF THEM? YEAH. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY SHOULD WE BE ADOPTING THIS NEW AG ACQUISITION, THAT'S THAT AWKWARD PART. 
          I CAN'T REZONE A PROPERTY TO AGRICULTURAL UNTIL I ACTUALLY HAVE AGRICULTURAL ZONING TO REZONE IT TO THE OVERLAY. 
          I COULD GO RIGHT AWAY. 
          MATTER OF FACT, THE OVERLAY REPLACES, YOU REMEMBER YEARS AGO, WE USED TO HAVE, IF YOU DO REMEMBER THREE OVERLAYS ACROSS THE BOTTOM PART OF THE TOWN, WE HAD A LAKEVIEW OVERLAY, A SOUTH CENTRAL OVERLAY, AND WE HAD A SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY. 
          UM, PREVIOUS TOWN BOARDS CHANGE THAT TO ONE OVERLAY ACROSS THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN PART OF TOWN, WHICH WAS FINE. 
          TOOK OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T APPLY TO ALL THREE 
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AREAS. 
          I'M SUGGESTING YOU GO BACK TO, YOU HAVE THE LAKE VIEW OVERLAY. 
          VERY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ISSUES YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL, WE CAN CALL IT AGRICULTURAL OVERLAY AND THEN GO BACK TO THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY. 
          AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF THE SOUTHEASTERN OVERLAY IS, IS VIEW SHEDS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL VIEW SHEDS IN IN THAT PART OF THE TOWN AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THAT AREA. 
          UH, WALKABILITY CONNECTION INTO THE VILLAGE, ET CETERA, I THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT. 
          AND, AND WE PULL OUT THAT OVERLAY TOO. 
          SO, GOOD QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT AND IN TERMS OF, UM, THE PUD YEP. 
          IS THERE A TIME RESTRICTION ON PUDS THAT WE GIVE? WELL, THERE IS . 
          MATTER OF FACT, I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT. 
          THAT'S MY OTHER ONE IS REMEMBER WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON TWO THINGS. 
          WE HAD A NEW MIXED USE DISTRICT AND A CHANGE IN THE PUD REGULATIONS TO SAY IN THAT PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PUD SAID THAT WHEN I COME IN AND GET, I CAN'T RETROACTIVELY DO IT, OR IF I COME IN AND GET A PUD APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A SCHEDULE OF, IF IT'S A PHASE WHEN, AND IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT SCHEDULE, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR RE-APPROVAL. 
          DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T GET REAPPROVED, BUT SOME THINGS COULD CHANGE IN THE TOWN AND, AND WHATEVER. 
          WE'VE HAD PUDS THAT HAVE LASTED 40 YEARS AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED GREATLY OVER THE YEARS. 
          THE PUDS FROM 30 YEARS AGO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING A LIMITATION ON 'EM NOW, CAN I, AND THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL. 
          I'M NOT SUGGESTING RIGHT NOW THAT I GO BACK AND TELL THE PUDS THAT WERE APPROVED BEFORE. 
          OH, BY THE WAY, WE PUT TIMEFRAMES ON THESE NOW. 
          I MEAN, MOST OF 'EM ARE PRETTY BUILT, BUILT. 
          THE TWO BIG PUDS IN THE TOWN ARE BRIARWOOD AND THE, UH, OH GOD, ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE REZONING ACTION UNIT HAVE TIME. 
          BERKELEY SQUARE. 
          BERKELEY SQUARE IS YOUR OTHER BIG PUD, MATTER OF FACT, A NATIONAL AWARD-WINNING PUD. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A LITTLE MAIN STREET DOWNTOWN, BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. 
          . 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO BIG PUDS, THEY'LL STAND AS THEY ARE. 
          BUT ANYTHING NEW IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU REZO, THE PUD WILL HAVE TO HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON IT. 
          A SCHEDULE SUBMITTED FOR WHEN THEY GET APPROVAL AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT SCHEDULE OR COME BACK TO YOU. 
          GOTCHA. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ONES NOW, NO, NO TIME RESTRICTIONS, NO TIME RESTRICTION. 
          I, IT WOULD BE HARD TO GO BACK TO A 30 OR 40-YEAR-OLD PUD AND TELL 'EM, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE A TIME FOR, WHAT IS THAT TIMEFRAME? 40 YEARS, 30 OR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HARD TO GO BACK AT THIS POINT. 
          AND MOST OF 'EM ARE PRETTY. 
          BILL BRIARWOOD, PRETTY BILL BUILD OUT, THERE'S A FEW SMALL SECTIONS OF BRIARWOOD LEFT, WHICH ARE CONTROVERSIAL AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHANGING. 
          AND THEN BERKELEY SQUARE PRETTY MUCH BUILD OUT. 
          THEY FINALLY FINISHED THAT AREA THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE LITTLE DOWNTOWN AREA AND IT GOT CONVERTED TO SOME, SOME OTHER TYPE OF USES AND WHATEVER OVER THE YEARS DOES, IT JUST DID NEVER HAPPEN. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THOUGH, FOR LEGAL TO SEE WITH PUDS, EVEN FOR THOSE PRIOR PUDS. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THERE THAT DOES ALLOW US TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE A, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          THE, THE, THE CON THE CONTROL YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW OF BRIARWOOD IS REALLY, BERKELEY SQUARE IS PRETTY MUCH BUILDING DOWN. 
          IS THAT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, WITH THE ORIGINAL PUD. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO ANYWAY. 
          YOU'VE DEALT WITH TWO OR THREE OF THEM ALREADY. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY CONTROVERSIAL BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          THERE'S ARGUMENTS WHETHER IT IS A CONFORMANCE OR NOT. 
          EVENTUALLY THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          IS THIS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED OR NOT? WELL, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ISN'T SOUTH SHORE, THE OLD SOUTH SHORE COUNTRY CLUB? IS IT THAT IT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE PUT THAT IN MY, MY MEMO TO YOU FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS THAT THEY CAME IN WITH THIS IDEA FOR PUD. 
          THEY, THEY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          IT HAS BEEN SITTING WITH THE TOWN I HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES. 
          AND HE'LL COME THAT THE TOWN SHOULD SEND A LETTER SAYING, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT APPLICATION IS EXPIRED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A 5-YEAR-OLD RED OWNING APPLICATION. 
          I'M ASSUMING IT'S EXPIRED. 
          WE SHOULD TELL 'EM, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO FORWARD WITH IT. 
          AND BY THE WAY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SUPPORT SOUTH SHORE BEING A LARGE SCALE MIXED USE PUD WITH PRESERVING THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE SOLVING, WHICH WE TOLD WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. 
          SOLVING THE TRANSPORTATION AND MULTIMODAL COMPONENTS OF, OF THE SITE AND ALSO, AND ALSO DOING OTHER THINGS IN THERE TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA. 
          IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED INTO SUM. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A GOLF COURSE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A GOLF COURSE ANYMORE. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS ARGUED, EVERYBODY REALIZE THE TOWN REZONED THAT PROPERTY YEARS, WHEN THEY FIRST CREATED THE PUD DISTRICT, THEY REZONED THAT PROPERTY TO PUD. 
          SOUTH SHORE GOLF COURSE IS ZONE PUD. 
          BUT WHAT IS THE PLAN? THE APPROVED PLAN IS A GOLF COURSE AND ASSOCIATED ACCESSORY USES. 
          SO ANY, EVERYBODY THAT'S COME TO US IN THE LAST 28 YEARS, I SAID, YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SHORE GOLF COURSE GOLF COURSE AND ACCESSORY IF YOU WANNA DO ANYTHING ELSE. 
          IT'S A NEW REZONING PROCESS IS WHAT DAVID HOLMES ASKED FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          THEY, THEY'VE CONTACTED ME. 
          THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE CONFERENCE PLAN SAYS ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I SAID, NO, STILL SUPPORTS. 
          IT SAYS MIXED 
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USE DEVELOPMENT, PRESERVING THE AREAS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I SAID TRANSPORTATION IS A BIG ISSUE ON THAT SITE. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STADIUM AREA? BECAUSE I NOTICED IN THE PLAN IT REALLY JUST SAID QUESTION MARK. 
          YEP. 
          UH, SHOULD WE BE TRYING ON THE MAP, IT SAYS QUESTION MARK IN THE ACTUAL PLAN ITSELF, IT TALKS ABOUT IT, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          I'LL SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR, HOPEFULLY IT DON'T GET QUOTED. 
          BUT THE COUNTY STATE, THE STATE ENTITY THAT NOW IS GONNA RUN THE, THE STADIUM AND OWN THE STADIUM AND THE TOWN NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND PLAN THAT AREA. 
          YOU HAVE, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT YOU HAVE THE STADIUM, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE STADIUM'S GOING. 
          YOU HAVE AN ECC SOUTH CAMPUS, THAT PART OF IT IS NOW GONE 'CAUSE IT'S, THEY GOTTA TAKE AWAY THE BALL FIELDS AND OTHER THINGS TO DO THAT. 
          WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR NOT ONLY THE ECC CAMPUS, BUT YOU HAVE DCC, YOU HAVE THE LARGE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE, THAT SUPPORT THE STADIUM. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE LOTS OF, THERE'S OVER 200 ACRES OF LAND, 150 ACRES OF LAND THERE THAT PRESENTLY IS ZONED R THREE. 
          THE CONFERENCE PLAN SAYS IT SHOULDN'T BE ZONED R THREE. 
          WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND MAKE SENSE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THOSE HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF LAND THERE WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS, I HAVE MY FEELINGS. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, I CAN'T USE THAT WORD HERE, BUT PATRIOT'S PLACE. 
          LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PATRIOTS HAVE DONE AROUND THEIR STADIUM. 
          THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU'RE CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING ON LATER, LATER TONIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN, I BASICALLY SAY YOU NEED NEW ZONING FOR THAT AREA. 
          SOMETHING, A ZONING THAT ACKNOWLEDGES, WHICH IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO WITH WESTER, WHETHER WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT OR NOT. 
          TRY TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT PROTECTS THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT. 
          BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING IT'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? IT SUGGESTS CREATING A NEW ZONING. 
          IS THIS PUDA GOOD ENOUGH REZONING? I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AND FIND OUT. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS A CREATIVE WAY OF COMING UP WITH THAT. 
          SO IT DOES HAVE SOME STRONGER RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THOSE MAPS IDENTIFY PROBLEM ERRORS AND YOU READ THE PLAN AND SAY, OKAY, FOR THOSE PROBLEM AREAS, PARTS OF THOSE MAPS HAVE SOLUTIONS TO THEM. 
          BUT OTHER ONES SAY, HEY, THERE'S A QUESTION MARK THERE. 
          WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS? UM, NORTH, ANOTHER ONE NEAR AND DEAR TO, UH, MARK MALKI, THE NORTH, UH, WEST CORNER OF THE TOWN, ALL THE WAY UP WHERE THE WIND TURBINES ARE IN THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          WE BASICALLY SAY YOU'RE CONTRACTING TO DO A BOA A BROWNFIELD OPPORTUNITY OR A A STEP ONE BOA IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          WHICH IS BASICALLY A PLAN FOR THAT AREA OF HOW IT COULD BE REDEVELOPED. 
          UNDERSTANDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIMITATIONS OF THE SITE. 
          SO AGAIN, THE CONFERENCE LAND, SOMEONE SAY, WELL YOU'RE COPPED OUT THERE, DREW. 
          WELL NO, YOU'RE DOING A BIG STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE THE BEST USES THERE BECAUSE IT'S VERY UNIQUE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD, BETTER INDIFFERENT ZONING ISSUES. 
          NOW, CONFERENCE PLANS I ALWAYS SAY SHOULDN'T BE ALWAYS RELATED TO ZONING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ZONING ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE THE TOWN REALLY HAS NOT DONE A LONG-TERM ZONING CHANGE IN THE TOWN. 
          MATTER OF FACT, IT'S BEEN PUSHED ON ME BY OTHERS THAT WHY ISN'T THE TOWN CONSIDERING LIKE WHAT THE CITY OF BUFFALO HAS, LIKE A GREEN CODE OR A MORE URBANIZED CODE OR WHATEVER. 
          THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU LOOK AT IT A FEW YEARS OUT. 
          I THINK YOU'VE JUST GOTTA FIX WHAT YOU HAVE FIRST AND THEN WORK ON MORE, MORE OF THAT TYPE WHERE, WHERE DESIGN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN USE. 
          WE STILL FOCUS ON USE AND MANY OF THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS TOO ARE, ARE LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO BRINGS IT DOWN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY AN IMPORTANT PIECE RIGHT NOW IS FOR US TO GET THAT INTO A WORKABLE, SHAREABLE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY, DOCUMENT THAT CAN, THAT WE CAN UPDATE FLUIDLY, UPDATE, MAKE ASSIGNMENTS. 
          BETH, BETH DID THIS WHEN I SAID EXCEL SPREADSHEET, SO  LIKE THAT, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE MORE PRINT . 
          WELL WE GOTTA PUT IT IN A FORMAT THAT WE CAN HAND IT TO YOU AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE THE ASSIGNMENTS YOU'RE GONNA GIVE  IN MY BEST DREAMS, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR TO 500 PEOPLE WORKING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ON IMPLEMENTING THE CONTENT. 
          BRING IN THE COMMUNITY, BRING IN THE EVERYBODY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND GET THEM INVOLVED. 
          SO, OKAY, . 
          ALRIGHT, I, I THINK I'VE USED UP MY TIME ON THE COMP PLAN, SO I'LL BE WAITING DIRECTION FROM YOU ON A GET YOUR LIST. 
          YOU'LL SEE I HAVE A LONG LIST OF STUFF FROM THE CONFERENCE PLAN COMMITTEE. 
          IF YOU GUYS HAVE THINGS YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT AT THIS POINT, NOTHING IS OUT OF QUESTION. 
          RAISE THE QUESTION. 
          IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, EVEN IF YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION LIST AND GO, HEY, WHAT IS THIS? WHY ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS? THAT'S A KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN. 
          UM, AND THEN I'LL WORK WITH, GET THAT TO, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WHEN WE ADOPT THE PLAN JANUARY WITH ONE OF THOSE STUDIES, WE'RE GONNA PEN TO THE PLAN, MAKE IT ACTUALLY PART OF THE LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF THE OTHER, OTHER STUDIES. 
          I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T THROW ROCKS IN A GLASS HOUSE SINCE I'M ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND ON THIS COMP PLAN. 
          I CAN'T SAY, OH, WE'RE BEHIND ON OTHERS. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN TOUGH THROUGH THE 
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PANDEMIC. 
          IT'S BEEN, I HAVE BEEN, IT'S BEEN VERY TOUGH GETTING STUFF DONE AND GETTING THE PUBLIC INVOLVED. 
          PEOPLE STILL AFRAID. 
          NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER VIRUS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE KEEPING PEOPLE AWAY FROM FROM MEETINGS. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I WANNA JUST JUMP TO, I HAVE A HANDOUT FOR MY USUAL, A SMALL REPORT FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          I GAVE A COPY OF WHAT I HANDED OUT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TO THE COUNCIL PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          WELL, HERE'S MY REPORT FOR TONIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS ON TONIGHT. 
          WELL, THREE, UM, YOU, YOU MAY APPROVE THE REZONING FOR THE BURKE DEVELOPMENT ON RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          UM, SARAH PUT THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS IN AND YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER THOSE FOR TONIGHT. 
          THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS IF YOU WANT, I WOULD'VE REFERENCED IN THE SEEKER DECISION THAT THERE WAS AN EIS BECAUSE I DID RECEIVE A, A RESIDENT CALL AND SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU ISSUING A NEG DECK THROUGH ALL THESE ISSUES THAT COULD BE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? WELL, WE HAD AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          WE NOW HAVE ADDED TO THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          SO IF IT CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK, I WOULD JUST REFERENCE THE FACT IN THE RESOLUTION, THE SEEKER NEGATIVE DECK THAT WE DID HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DONE ON THE, ON THAT BUSINESS PARK. 
          THIS IS A CHANGE TO THAT BUSINESS PARK. 
          AND WE'VE EVALUATED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, THINGS OF THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU HAD ANY CONDITIONS YOU WANTED TO PLACE, YOU DO UNDERSTAND IN THAT REZONING, IF THAT REZONING PASSES, YOU ARE REZONING THE REMAINING DEVELOPABLE AREA OF THAT BUSINESS PARK, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD TO NC PEOPLE INC. 
          IS ONLY DEVELOPING A SMALL, THE THE BOTTOM PART OF THAT. 
          EVERYTHING THAT FACES THE ROAD THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER SEVEN OR EIGHT ACRES OR MORE THAT YOU'RE JUST REZONING THE NC. 
          THERE ARE NO PLANS AT ALL YET FOR THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE, THEY FIRST APPLIED FOR A REZONING OF JUST THE ONE PIECE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SAID, LOOK, LET'S PUT A PLAN OR WHATEVER. 
          LET'S NOT JUST PIECEMEAL THIS UP. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, LET'S DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD, UM, HAS THE CAR WASH THERE AND I KNOW THERE'S PROPOSED PLANS FOR MORE LIFE STORAGE FACILITIES THERE. 
          SO YOU GET AN OVERARCHING VIEW, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE REST OF THAT'S GONNA BE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE CAR WASH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIFE STORAGE. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS APPROVED THERE. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD, YOU HAVE THIS PROPOSED PEOPLE INC PROJECT. 
          AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE UNDETERMINED YET IT'S GONNA BE REZONED TO NC. 
          NC. 
          YOU COULD HAVE SMALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES OR ALL TYPES OF HOUSING CAN GO IN AN NCS DISTRICT. 
          SO WAS IT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD, JUST THE REMAINDER OF THAT PARCEL OR THAT ENTIRE AREA? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HOW THEY DO SEEKER, RIGHT? THEY RECOMMENDED THE WHOLE PIECE OVER THERE. 
          INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING THE SMALL, THE THE, THE ONE PART OF IT, WE SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA REZONE THIS, LEAVE THIS PUD AND WHATEVER, LET'S REZONE THE REMAINING PIECE OVER THERE TO NC. 
          NOW, IS THAT IN KEEPING WITH ALL OF THE OTHER UNDEVELOPED PARCELS THAT ARE OVER THERE? BECAUSE ONCE WE REZONE ONE ACTION THAT IMPACTS SEEKER AND THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEE IS REFLECTIVE OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT, THE REMAINING PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'VE TOLD YOU THAT THEY, THEY HAVE THE CAR WASH. 
          WE WENT THROUGH A REZONING OR AMENDMENT OF THE POD FOR THAT. 
          THERE'S A YEAH, BECAUSE LIFE STORAGE FACILITY IS COMING, THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP A LOT OF PART OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT LAND ON THERE. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S GONNA BE THE PEOPLE INC. 
          AND WHATEVER'S LEFT OF THAT PIECE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, AT THE CURVE OF RILEY BOULEVARD THAT WAS APPROVED FOR BUSINESS USE. 
          BUT THAT BUSINESS HAS DECIDED NOT TO GO THERE. 
          SO THAT PIECE IS STILL AVAILABLE. 
          WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING OF THAT. 
          THAT'S STILL PART OF THE PUD, WHICH MEANS IT'S BUSINESS PART, A SMALL BUSINESS IT VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          AND IS THE STORAGE UNIT THEN, IS THAT ALREADY APPROVED OR IS IT NO, NO, NO. 
          THEY HAVEN'T EVEN MADE OFFICIAL. 
          WE JUST KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          THEY CAME IN AND TALKED TO US ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          THEY TALKED, WE TALKED TO A PUBLIC, UH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO EVALUATE WHAT WAS GONNA GO ON WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BECAUSE OUR WHOLE IDEA FROM THIS BURKE BUSINESS PARK WAS WE UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT SAID THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS PARK FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE. 
          INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING, WE SAID, HEY, PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. 
          WELL IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, IT'S GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF MIXED USE AREA, A HODGEPODGE. 
          REALLY. 
          IT REALLY ISN'T A PLAN. 
          WHAT'S THAT? SO THERE ISN'T JOEL, JOEL, THE ONLY PART THAT DOESN NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR IS, AND THE RESIDENT IS WHERE PEOPLE INC. 
          IS GOING. 
          THERE'S STILL FRONTAGE LAND ONTO THE ROAD THERE ADJOINING THE SCHOOL THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR IT. 
          BUT YOU'RE REZONING AT THE NC TO UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA BE SOME LEVEL OF MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL OR SMALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. 
          THEY, 
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FOR A COMMERCIAL ONLY ALLOWS SMALL, SMALL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SIZED BUSINESSES LIKE USUALLY UNDER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S NOT PEOPLE IN GETS THE, UM, IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS, OKAY, PEOPLE, I GOT PEOPLE LIKE BRUCE ON THE OTHER ONE THAT'S ON THE OTHER. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THAT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE REONE THAT PARCEL AND SO MANY TIMES THAT IT NO LONGER IS EVEN A CLOSE IDEATION OF WHAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR THAT. 
          AND NOW IT'S JUST, WELL, A LITTLE THIS AND A LITTLE THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE POWERFUL TOOL YOU HAVE. 
          I MEAN THE TOOL YOU HAVE IS YOU CAN SAY NO. 
          I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WHEN ANYBODY COMES IN FOR A REZONING REQUEST, YOU CAN SAY NO. 
          I MEAN YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO ENTERTAIN IT. 
          YOU CAN SAY, HEY, NO, THIS WAS THE PLAN. 
          WE BELIEVE THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS A BUSINESS PARK. 
          THE APPLICANT OBVIOUSLY ARGUED FOR A LONG TIME SAYING IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A BUSINESS PARK. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME STRANGE THINGS. 
          I TOLD PEOPLE YOU REALIZE THE FIRST PROJECT PROPOSED THERE WAS A TINSEL TOWN WOULD'VE BEEN A HUGE MOVIE THEATER WAS THE ORIGINAL PROJECT. 
          YOU THINK YOU WERE ON THE PLANNING BOARD AT TIME ZONING, YOU WERE ON ZONING BOARD AT THE TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THAT. 
          I JUST THINK LIKE THE ROADWAY IN THERE, RILEY BOULEVARD IS MORE INDICATIVE OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN A MEDICAL PARK THAN WHAT YOU'D SEE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WHERE YOU HAVE SOME INCREASED BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S CURVY, IT'S NARROW, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING, I DIDN'T NOTICE IT AND I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE PROPOSED ACTION TONIGHT TO MANDATE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SIDEWALKS ON THIS OR THAT. 
          YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION OF YOUR 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONDITION. 
          REMEMBER IF YOU PASS THIS REZONING TONIGHT, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR PLANNING FOR APPROVAL. 
          YOU CAN PUT REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON, ON ANY APPROVAL OF A REZONING. 
          IT'S CONDITIONAL. 
          REZONINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE ALL THE TIME. 
          YOU'RE REZONING LAND. 
          IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION. 
          ARE THEY CONDITION, THE CONDITION COULD BE THAT SIDEWALKS BE ACCOMMODATED ONTO, YOU KNOW, INTO THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU'RE, THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PARK WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WALKABLE. 
          IT WAS A BUSINESS MARK, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING BOARD. 
          THEY WANTED SIDEWALKS PUT ON THIS AND YOU HAVE THAT REPORT. 
          RIGHT? AND ANOTHER REASONABLE CONDITION COULD BE AN EVEN, UH, MORE EXTENSIVE OR COMPLETE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND COULD IT BE ON THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR JUST THE PARCEL, UM, WHERE THE NEW HOUSING IS PROPOSED? WELL, YOU'RE REZONING THE WHOLE PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          SO THAT CONDITION WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WHOLE SIDE. 
          IT COULD, THE CONDITION COULD BE THE ENTIRE RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL USE BE SET CONNECTED BY SIDEWALKS AND WHATEVER. 
          BECAUSE I COULD ENVISION, I MEAN THAT PIECE THAT'S REMAINING COULD BE A SMALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT MOST PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME LEVEL OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. 
          BECAUSE YOU THINK ACROSS THE STREET RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL ON THE ONE SIDE PROBABLY NOT GONNA PUT A BUSINESS THERE. 
          THE BUSINESSES ARE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE. 
          YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL AND A SMALL, SMALL BUSINESS I'M WITH BE I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT INTO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WE WANNA SEE THE WHOLE PLAN JUST BECAUSE SO MANY OF THOSE PARCELS HAVE BEEN REZONED AND RECONFIGURED SO THAT IT NO LONGER IS REFLECTIVE. 
          AND I THINK EACH PIECE WE'VE DEVELOPED THINKING OF JUST ITSELF, NOT HOW IT WAS GONNA LOOK AS A COHESIVE PIECE. 
          AND NOW IF WE PUT AN APARTMENT BUILDING IN THERE, THERE'S NO PLAN FOR RECREATIONAL AREAS FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES TOGETHER. 
          THERE'S NO PLAN FOR WALKABILITY, SIDEWALKS, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS AS A CONDITION. 
          YEAH. 
          BE CONDITIONS. 
          WELL, IF YOU APPROVE THAT REZONING AND THE, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT PEOPLE IN THE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY? THEY UNDER THE CODE, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN RECREATION PLACE OR PAYING MONEY IN LIEU OF RECREATION SPACE TO THE TOWN. 
          AND YOU NEED TO DETERMINE THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GONE AROUND AND AROUND THE CODE. 
          MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN IS THAT YOU PUT A SIDEWALK PLAN TOGETHER AND ADJUST YOUR CODE. 
          THE CODE IS KIND OF AMBIGUOUS ON SIDEWALK. 
          IT, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT, THAT'S WHY THE PLANNING BOARD ALWAYS HAS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE TO SAY, WELL THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA, SO SHOULD WE REQUIRE SIDEWALKS? WELL, IF YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET SIDEWALKS. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE ASKED THE TOWN BOARD TO SAY, HEY, PUT A PLAN TOGETHER AND SAY THESE ARE THE TARGETED AREAS FOR SIDEWALKS. 
          AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD WILL THEN BE DEFINITIVELY SAY, I DON'T CARE IF IT DOESN'T CONNECT THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS SOUTH PARK FROM HERE ALL THE WAY UP TO HILLBOROUGH COLLEGE SHOULD BE WALKABLE. 
          TRADITIONALLY, WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS DEVELOPERS WOULD COME IN AND SAY THEY DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN EITHER SIDE OF 'EM. 
          RIGHT? SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. 
          THE CURRENT PLANNING BOARD IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS HAS TAKEN THE APPROACH THAT IF WE DON'T START PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN, YOU NEVER WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS. 
          YOU HAVE TO SOMETIMES BUILD THAT SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. 
          SO WHEN THE NEXT DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY CONNECT TO THAT SIDEWALK, RIGHT? THEY CONNECT TO THAT SIDE. 
          VERSUS ON THE FLIP SIDE, AFTER THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN, THEN IT'S THE BURDEN OF THE MUNICIPALITY TO GO BACK IN AND PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN. 
          AND THAT'S , BUT WITH EVEN MORE DIRECTION TO 
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THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. 
          OR THERE'S ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, CLARK STREET WAS INTO THAT, THAT WE GOT THE GREENHOUSE PROJECT. 
          WELL, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WHY DO WE NEED A SIDEWALK ON THIS SIDE? IT'S A MORE RURAL CONTEXT. 
          SENSUAL, UH, SENSITIVE DESIGN IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. 
          CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN FOR ROADS FOR FITTING THE AREA. 
          DO YOU NEED A ROAD, A PARK STREET BEING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES AND ALL THAT? OR DO YOU NEED MORE, MORE OF SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE? SO THEY NEED A LITTLE PLAN FOR THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I'VE BEEN USING UP MY TIME HERE. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. 
          THE ONLY OTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CALL PUBLIC HERE IN THE WEST. 
          HER, IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH DECISION. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET INPUT. 
          THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO IT. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD IS ISSUED THEIR REPORT AGAINST IT. 
          UH, YOU NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AND DECIDE ON IT. 
          SO, UM, THE OTHER THING, LIKE I SAID, I I, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MIXED DUE ZONING AND THE P UUD AMENDMENT. 
          I NEED SOMEONE TO AUTHORIZE ME TO PUT RESOLUTIONS IN TO APPROVE THAT. 
          UM, USUALLY WHEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, IF WE HAVE NO COMMENTS, IF I COULD ASK, I TRY TO GET YOUR AGENDA TO ASK THAT. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT RESOLUTION? SO YOU JUST NEED TO VERBALLY SAY, DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THESE LAWS? DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE LAWS? I THINK I GAVE YOU A COPY OF IT AND SO LET ME KNOW ON THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THAT. 
          UM, WE DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THOSE ARE IT. 
          SO MIXED NEW AND PUD AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY AT THE SEVENTH MEETING OR THE MEETING AFTER THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. 
          RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD STUFF IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, PLAN TO BEGIN OTHER IMPLEMENTATION THINGS THAT THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO DO. 
          I KNOW BETH HAS A LIST AND SHE WANTS WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          THERE'S THINGS WE NEED TO START. 
          CONFERENCE PLAN IS AN ACTIVE DOCKET AND YOU SHOULD START, BEGIN DOING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          I HAVE TO SAY ONE THING, I I ARGUED WITH A COUPLE DOWNS. 
          I WORKED FOR, I'VE DONE 40 50 CONFERENCE OF PLANS. 
          I HAD ONE TOWN. 
          I SAID, TOWN ATTORNEY TELL ME. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE TO MAKE ALL THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU ADOPT THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          OTHERWISE, THE DAY YOU ADOPT THE CONFERENCE, PLAN YOUR ZONING'S OUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          WELL, I SAID IT'S KIND OF A CHICKEN AND EGG THING. 
          THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS RECOMMENDED JUST START WORKING ON IT BECAUSE IT, YOU HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS AND SAY YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS BRINGING THE TOWN INTO CONFORMANCE WITH YOUR CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE ACTIVE AND NOT SAY, HEY, I HAVE TO COMPLETE THE COMP PLAN FIRST OR COMPLETE THE ZONING FIRST. 
          IT'S KIND OF AN ACTIVE TOOL. 
          JUST QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHEN WE GO TO REZONE PROPERTY, RIGHT, WE'VE HAD INSTANT PLANS. 
          I KNOW PLENTY BOARD'S BEEN DEALING WITH A COUPLE OF CASES WHERE PEOPLE DID NOT, WE'RE NOT AWARE THEIR PROPERTY HAD BEEN REZONED. 
          WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS WE'RE CONTEMPLATING? THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING REZONINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH A CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          YOU DO NOT HAVE TO NOTIFY EVERY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. 
          IMAGINE IF YOU WERE DOING A BIG, YOU'D HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. 
          SOME TOWNS, IF THEY'RE SMALLER AREAS LIKE WE, OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS MAYBE REZONING SIX OR SEVEN PROPERTIES. 
          YOU MAY WANT TO DO THAT NOTIFICATION PROCESS, BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW. 
          AND YOUR TOWN ATTORNEY CAN LOOK INTO IT WHEN YOU DO REZONINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONFERENCE LAND. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          THEY'RE A GENERAL NOTICE GOES IN THE PAPER SAYING WE'RE DOING AN IMPLEMENTATION OF REZONING, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOUR COMFORT LEVEL IS. 
          I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF THAT STORY THAT, HEY, NO ONE'S LETTING ME KNOW, OR I HAVE TO DO THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF NOTICES BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          BUT EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET, IMAGINE THAT COULD BE QUITE A LIST OF NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, WHEN THE TOWN ADOPTED THEIR ORIGINAL CONFERENCE NINE YEARS AGO, THEY JUST IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND THAT'S WHY BY THE FACT THAT WAS ONLY, THAT WAS MORE THAN 40 YEARS AGO. 
          WHEN THE TOWN DID THAT, THEY AMENDED THE ZONING MAP AND THEY DIDN'T NOTIFY PEOPLE. 
          AND PEOPLE WERE LIKE, HEY, I DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED. 
          WELL, IMAGINE I WOULD'VE HAD TO NOTIFY THE ENTIRE TOWN BECAUSE THE ZONING PRETTY MUCH CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON HOW TO DO THAT. 
          SMALLER ONES PROBABLY WANNA DO THE NOTIFICATIONS. 
          LARGER AREAS PROBABLY BE DIFFICULT, BUT BIG NOTICES IN THE PAPER THAT, HEY, YOU'VE GOTTA COME LOOK AT THIS MAP. 
          WE'RE MAKING MAJOR CHANGES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DO, YOU DO. 
          I WASN'T PLANNING YOU, YOU DIDN'T NEED ME TONIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          YOU'RE ALL SET. 
          YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED ON THE RESOLUTIONS. 
          I KNOW SARAH CAN'T BE HERE. 
          SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THAT SMALL LITTLE CHANGE TO THE RESOLUTION ABOUT SEEKER. 
          IF IN CASE IT PASSES, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO REFER TO THE EIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE OUR SETTLE. 
          SECOND, SECOND 
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BOARD. 
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I'LL ASK THE, UH, JOHN CLERK TO START THIS. 
          A ROLL CALL HALL. 
          PRESENT COUNCILWOMAN HALL. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILMAN HERE. 
          PRESENT COUNCILWOMAN OF, UH, CAROL PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELCOME FOLKS. 
          OH, LET'S START WITH THE 
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FOLKS. 
          WELCOME TO THE REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS, SOME, UH, BUDGET HEARING, TWO BUDGET HEARINGS TONIGHT, AND WE'LL START WITH THE 2023 BUDGET HEARING. 
          WE HAVE OUR FRIEND FROM GRESHAM HERE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS, SUPERVISOR . 
          MY NAME IS LUKE MKI. 
          I AM A PARTNER AT DIRECTOR OF MKI WITH ME AND THE AUDIENCE IS ERICA HANLEY. 
          WE ASSIST THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IN THE COMPILATION OF THE BUDGET. 
          MOST OF THE, UH, THE HARD WORK IS DONE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE JUST GIVING BEST PRACTICES IN COMPARABLES. 
          UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PAT, YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR'S GONNA CHIME IN ON SOME OF THE, UH, CHALLENGES WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A LITTLE EASY ENOUGH , RIGHT? UH, THE, THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE BUDGET PROCESS REALLY COMES TO A CONCLUSION IN NOVEMBER, UH, OF THE, OF THE YEAR. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KIND OF IN THE, AT THE HOME STRETCH HERE, PROCESS ACTUALLY STARTS IN JULY, UH, SENDING THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS OUT TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS. 
          THOSE WILL THEN GET, UH, REVIEWED BY THE SUPERVISOR AND THE FINANCE AND DEPARTMENT MEETINGS ARE HELD IN SEPTEMBER TO EVALUATE THOSE REQUESTS. 
          THEN IT BECOMES THE, THE, THE FIRST DIFFICULT PART, WHICH IS GOING THROUGH THOSE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS, MAKING THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS AS TO WHICH ITEMS WILL MAKE THE BUDGET, UH, AND WHICH ITEMS MIGHT HAVE TO GET IT PUSHED OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR SO THAT WE CAN STAY. 
          UH, THE TOWN STATES WITHIN THE, THE NEW YORK STATE TAX CAP, UM, BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, THE SUPERVISOR SUBMITS AN ADV VALOREM AND, UH, THE BUDGET TO THE, THE CLERK. 
          AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THE, THERE'S A MOVING TARGET. 
          I REFERENCED THE, THE, THE TAX CAP. 
          SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT COMES IN, IN, COMES AND GOES INTO THAT TAX CAP. 
          FORMULA ISN'T SET UNTIL RIGHT ABOUT NOW IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO GET UNDERNEATH THAT CAP JUST BECAUSE THOSE PARTS MOVED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, IT IS THE SUPERVISORS AND THE BOARD'S INTENTION TO GET BENEATH THE CAP. 
          AND, UH, PAT AND KIM AT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THAT THEY CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO, TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE TAX CAP. 
          UH, THE NEXT STEP IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND, UH, MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS. 
          THIS THEN GETS POSTED TO THE WEBSITE, UH, SO THAT THE TOWN IS, UH, THOSE THAT COULDN'T BE IN ATTENDANCE ARE FULL AWARE OF IT. 
          AND THEN BEFORE NOVEMBER 20TH, THE BOARD NEEDS TO ADOPT ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SUPERVISOR'S BUDGET, UH, WHICH IS SET TO BE NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          UH, SO THAT IS THE BUDGET PROCESS WITHIN YOUR TOWN. 
          YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDS. 
          THE MOST POPULAR FUNDS THAT WE TALK ABOUT ARE THE OPERATING FUNDS, WHICH INCLUDE THE GENERAL FUND, HIGHWAY FUND, AND TOWN OUTSIDE VILLAGE FUNDS. 
          THOSE ARE THE FUNDS THAT WILL DRIVE MOST OF THE TAX ACTIVITY WITHIN THE TOWN'S TAX LEVY. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME INSURANCE RESERVE FUND, WHICH WILL HANDLE A LOT OF THE GENERAL LIABILITY AND WORKERS' COMPENSATION RESERVE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH, UH, THE GOLF COURSE IN ICE ARENA, THOSE WORK MOST ON A RATE BASIS, NOT A TAX BASIS. 
          UH, IT'S TIME TO TIME WHEN THERE ARE A COVID PANDEMIC, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SOME SUBSIDIES WILL NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE GENERAL FUND, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE RATE BASED. 
          AND THEN SPECIAL DISTRICTS DEPENDS ON THE SERVICES THAT EACH ENTITY OR EACH TAXPAYER RECEIVES. 
          UH, SO THOSE WOULD VARY. 
          SO BECAUSE THE VARIABILITY OF THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND THE RATE BASE OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THE CRUX OF THIS PRESENTATION IS CENTERED AROUND THE TAX RATES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE HIGHWAY FUND, AND THEN THE TOWN ONSIDE VILLAGE FUND, WHICH WOULD BE THOSE RESIDENTS THAT DO NOT LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG OR THE VILLAGE DALE. 
          THE BUDGETARY COMPONENTS, UH, WE START WITH THE ESTIMATED REVENUES. 
          UH, THE TOWN IS, UH, LIKE MOST MUNICIPALITIES, VERY LIMITED IN THE LEVEL OF REVENUES THAT WE, WE, UH, CAN RAISE. 
          UM, ABOUT 66% OF THE TOWN'S BUDGET IS SUPPORTED BY TAX. 
          THE REST IS EITHER BY STATE AID, DEPARTMENTAL INCOME, UM, OR INTEREST EARNINGS. 
          BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF, UH, RELATIVE TO WHAT THE ECONOMY'S PROVIDING. 
          AND THE, THE BIGGEST DRIVER OF THE TOWN'S TAX RATE IS GOING TO BE THE APPROPRIATIONS AND THOSE APPROPRIATIONS THAT MAKE IT INTO THE BUDGET. 
          APPROPRIATIONS IS A FANCY WAY OF SAYING EXPENDITURES, EXPENSES, UH, THOSE ITEMS THAT THE TOWN WILL BE SPENDING MONEY ON IN THE COMING YEAR. 
          THEN IF, UH, IF AVAILABLE, EACH FUND CAN USE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS FUND BALANCE TO KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF THE BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYER. 
          UH, GIVE BACK SOME PREVIOUS, UH, UH, REVENUES THAT WERE, UM, SITTING IN THE, IN THE CO ACCOUNTS, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE RAINY DAY FILE OR, UM, ACCOUNT. 
          AND WHAT WOULD BE LEFT 
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IS THE, THE TAX LEVY. 
          SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, PAT'S GONNA START WITH SOME OF THE REVENUES AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HE SAW WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          THANKS, LUKE. 
          UH, FIRST I WANTED TO THANK LUKE AND THE STAFF DIRECTOR FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT. 
          UH, THIS BEING MY FIRST BUDGET, UH, THERE'S A LOT TO LEARNING, A LOT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THANK YOU TO AND YOUR STAFF. 
          AND I'D BE NEGLIGENT IF I DIDN'T THANK HIM AS WELL. 
          WITHOUT HER, NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN POSSIBLE, SO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, AS FAR AS BUDGET CHALLENGES GO, WE, WE ISOLATED ABOUT THREE OF THEM. 
          THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, VLT ALLOTMENT FROM THE SLOTS AT THE CASINO. 
          UM, LUKE'S GONNA ADD SOME FLAVOR TO IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO, UH, YEARS AGO IS JUST NOT A, A REVENUE LEVEL THAT WE'VE ATTAINED. 
          UM, THAT'S GONNA BE CONSISTENT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS WELL. 
          UH, STATE AID, STATE AID IS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE OVERALL BUDGET ITSELF, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS SORT OF STAGNANT FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THOSE FUNDS TO RELY ON, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP US IF EVERYTHING ELSE INCREASES OVER OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, LIMITED DEPARTMENT REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, THAT REFERS TO BASICALLY AS THE REVENUES THAT THE TOWN CAN PRODUCE COMES ESSENTIALLY FROM YOUTH AND SENIOR SERVICES, FINES AND FORFEITURES, AND THEN SOME OF THE FEES THAT WE CAN CHARGE, WHETHER IT'S FOR BUILDING, INSPECTION, TOWN PERMITS, FULL LAUNCHES, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN DO IN THOSE AREAS WITHOUT DIRECTLY IMPACTING THE TAXPAYER. 
          REALLY BRIEFLY, AS PAT SAID, WE'LL JUST LOOK REAL QUICKLY AT THE ORIGINAL LAW THAT CAME BACK IN, REALLY THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS 54 L OF STATE FINANCE. 
          UH, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE WAS THAT THE TOWN WOULD RECEIVE, UM, 75% OF 3.5 OF THE NET WIN, WHICH WOULD EQUATE ABOUT 2.1 MILLION. 
          UH, SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE VLT FORMULA, THE TOWN HAS BEEN STAGNANT AT RECEIVING 865,000, AND ACTUALLY ABOUT 20% OF THAT WAS CUT OFF DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENTLY RESTATED. 
          SO ANNUALLY, UH, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, THE TOWN IS LOSING ABOUT $1.2 MILLION. 
          JUST TO BRING KIND OF A, A LIGHT INTO TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, THE HAMBURG GAMING AND CASINO, CERTAINLY A $1.2 MILLION THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE TAX PAYERS OF THE TOWN. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          BUT, UH, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS A LARGE SHARE OF THE SOURCES THE REVENUE ARE 66% OF THE THE REAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          AND IF YOU WANTED TO BREAK DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE UP THERE, SURE. 
          THIS, UH, PIE CHART'S GONNA SHOW BASICALLY WHERE ALL THE REVENUES ARE COMING FROM, FROM ON A MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN. 
          UM, 11% OF THE DEPARTMENTAL CHARGES AND FEES AND THE FINES AND FORFEITURES THAT I SPOKE ABOUT A LITTLE EARLIER, THOSE WERE WHAT ARE CONSIDERED CONTROLLABLE. 
          BUT AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO TO CONTROLLABLE THAT REPRESENTS 11% OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, 16% OF IT IS THE VLT, WHICH WE REFERRED TO IN THE FEDERAL AND STATE AID. 
          AND THEN THE REMAINING 72%, UH, IT IS, IS MADE UP OF THE INTER FUND TRANSFER TAXES AND THEN THE, UH, SAVINGS THAT WE MIGHT USE FROM OUR APPROPRIATE BALANCE. 
          SO OVERALL, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH THAT WE CAN CONTROL, BUT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE, THE REVENUE THAT COMES UP. 
          ONE BRIGHT SPOT I DO SEE ON THIS CHART IS THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT 1% OF THE INTEREST IN OTHER EARNINGS COULD GROW THIS PAST YEAR AS WE SEE, UH, INTEREST IS STARTING TO CREEP UP. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN STAGNANT, ABOUT 1% OF THE TOWN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR AT LEAST THE RECENT FIVE YEARS. 
          SO THERE IS POTENTIAL THAT THAT COULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, OF, OF HAPPY NEWS FOR THE TOWN AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY ON THAT SAME AREA IS INFLATION IS ALSO ONE OF THE GIANT BUDGET CHALLENGES, RIGHT? SO SIMILAR TO THE REVENUES, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME LIMITATIONS IN WHAT WE CAN CONTROL WITH THE APPROPRIATIONS. 
          ABOUT 70% OF WHAT WE SPEND ARE DIRECTLY CONTROLLED, NOT IN OUR CONTROL THROUGH INSURANCE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND PAYROLL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A BIG CHUNK ALREADY ASSIGNED OF WHAT WE CAN SPEND OR WHAT WE HAVE TO SPEND. 
          UM, SECOND IS, OR THE FIRST POINT ON THE SLIDE IS HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY HEALTH INSURANCE IS A HUGE PART OF ANYBODY'S BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO COVER THE COST OF INSURANCE FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, WE DO SEE A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT WE'RE GONNA PAY THIS SPECIFIC YEAR, BUT OVERALL, WE'RE SEEING A 35% INCREASE IN THE PAST 10 YEARS IN THE AMOUNT OF HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WE'VE HAD TO PROVIDE TO EMPLOYEES. 
          AND WHAT'S MORE IS 27% OF THAT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE 2015. 
          UH, SO SECOND ONE IS, UH, CAPITAL AND REINVESTMENT IN THE HIGHWAY FUND. 
          UM, SO THE TOWN OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, ROADS, BRIDGES, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED. 
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UM, SO THERE IS STATE AID THAT HELPS US TO COVER THAT COST, BUT AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT GROWTH ISN'T NECESSARILY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO KEEP UP WITH THE COST THAT WE HAVE TO INCUR FOR THOSE REINVESTMENT AND HIGHWAY FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLOWS ARE UP TO DATE. 
          THAT ALLOWS US TO PLOW THE STREETS AND TAKE CARE OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS AND NOT PLOW THE BUILDINGS AND THINGS THAT THE TAXPAYERS USE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          UH, NEXT ONE IS RETIREMENT SYSTEM INCREASES. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG CHUNK OF OUR COSTS, UM, THAT MANDATED BY NEW YORK STATE, THE ERF AND FPRS THAT LUKE'S GONNA MENTION A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, IT'S $3.4 MILLION IF 7% OF OUR BUDGET IS MANDATED BY NEW YORK STATE TO COVER THAT RETIREMENT LAW. 
          UM, NOT  WITH SALARIES AND PERSONNEL COSTS. 
          SO TYPICALLY THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER. 
          BUT IN OUR SITUATION, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR SALE ARE IN PAYROLL, IS BASICALLY CONTROLLED BY THE NEGOTIATIONS OF THE CONTRACTS. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE UNDER SOME TOUCH OF UNION CONTRACT, SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF THOSE MANDATED INCREASES THAT ARE BASED ON THEIR CONTRACT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST PART, EVERYBODY'S DOING THIS, THIS ONE. 
          UM, WE'RE SEEING A $350,000 INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET FOR UTILITIES AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL $125,000, UM, GOING TOWARDS THE DEATH THAT WE FUEL UP THE VEHICLE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE, UH, THIS SLIDE IS JUST QUICK TO SHOW THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          AGAIN, FOR THIS COMING YEAR, WE'RE GONNA SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP, BUT OVER, OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS AS MENTIONED, IT, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AND WE'RE SEEING OVER 35% IN THOSE 10 YEARS. 
          AND WE MENTIONED 20% IN THE LAST FIVE, YEAH, 27. 
          I WAS BASING ON THE ACTUAL NOT IN OF THAT ESTIMATED TO BE, UH, MADE IN 22 VERSUS 2017. 
          UH, NOT THAT THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DID SEE A SMALL AND HOPEFUL DECREASE IN THE 23 BUDGET. 
          THE RETIREMENT RATES, AS PAT SAID, THIS IS A MANDATED, UH, MANDATED COST BY THE STATE. 
          ANY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK IS GOING TO BE PAYING RETIREMENT RATES ON THEIR, FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          THE TWO TRENDS YOU SEE HERE, UH, WILL FOLLOW MARKET TRENDS PER SE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A PRETTY STRONG UPTICK IN 2008 THROUGH 2012. 
          THAT WAS THE RECESSION OR THE, THE, THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IN 2008, UH, THAT THEN GETS BLENDED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS 22, THE BEGINNING PART OF 22 STARTED TO SEE A SIMILAR DOWNTURN, AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE RATES KICK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          WHAT THESE ARE REPRESENTING IS THE RED LINE IS THE POLICE EMPLOYER RETIREMENT SYSTEM, ABOUT 27, UH, PERCENT IS THE ANNUAL CHARGE ON SALARIES FOR THE, THAT RETIREMENT COST. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE TOWN. 
          THAT'S ALL EXCEPT THE NEW YORK STATE LEVEL. 
          EACH OF THE EMPLOYEES, UH, RE RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR THE ERS, THE EMPLOYEE'S RETIREMENT SYSTEM IS ABOUT 13.1% OF THEIR SALARIES IS WHAT THE TOWN WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR. 
          UH, THE, THE RATE OF CHANGE FROM 22 TO 23 IN THE BUDGET IS ABOUT 12% INCREASE IN THE RETIREMENT FOR THE ERS WHILE THE, THE, THE PFRS, ALTHOUGH IT'S A HIGHER RATE, THE RATE OF CHANGE IS A LITTLE BIT LESS. 
          ONLY AT 3% HAVE SHOW US WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF THE APPROPRIATION IS HERE. 
          SO WHAT THIS CHART, EXCUSE ME, IS INTENDED TO SHOW US WHERE, WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY GO? SO I MENTIONED EARLIER 70% OF WHAT WE SPEND GOES TO COVER BENEFITS TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS THE HIGHWAY FUND TO KEEP THE ROADS CLEAN, AND THEN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS THAT HELP US REMAIN SAFE AND TAKE CARE OF THE RESIDENTS FOR WORKLOADS NEEDED. 
          UM, THE SECOND BIG CHUNK OF UNDER GOV GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT. 
          UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS AND OPERATIONS THAT ARE MANDATED BY NEW YORK STATE THAT WE NEED TO SUPPLY TO THE TAXPAYERS. 
          THAT INCLUDES SUPERVISORS, THE CLERK, THE TOWN BOARD, AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT GENERALLY WILL SUPPORT THE SERVICES OF THE TOWN. 
          SO ENGINEERING, ASSESSING LAW, FINANCE, BASICALLY ALL OF THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN. 
          UM, THE ONE BRIGHT SPOT WITH THIS IS WITH RESPECT TO THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          YOU SEE, 1% DEBT IS VERY LOW, WHICH IN THE FUTURE SHOULD AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING IF WE DETERMINE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPLEMENT WHEN WE BRING IN IN REVENUE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TALENT EXPENSES. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE'S JUST A QUICK GRAPH TO SHOW THE APPROPRIATION OVER THE YEARS, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE'S A STEADY INCREASE YEAR TO YEAR. 
          UH, THE GOOD PART OR THE, THE NICE PART ABOUT THE INCREASE, THERE'S NEVER A GOOD PART ABOUT INCREASE, BUT THIS INCREASE HAS BEEN BELOW THE CPI OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. 
          UM, FOR THIS YEAR WE'RE SEEING A 5.8% 
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INCREASE IN APPROPRIATIONS FROM 22 TO 23, BUT THAT STILL IS BELOW THE CURRENT RUNNING CPI RATE, WHICH, WHICH IS PUBLISHED FOR SEPTEMBER AT 6.6%. 
          SO AGAIN, INCREASES AREN'T GREAT AT ANY RESPECT, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT BELOW WHAT WE SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS FROM THE RESULT OF INFLATION AND CONSUMER PRICE INDEX. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, UH, THERE ARE SOME, UH, LUM BALANCE RESERVES AVAILABLE TO HELP OFFSET THESE BATTLES WITH INFLATION. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT QUITE AS MUCH OF THE LEVEL OF THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN YEARS PAST. 
          I LOOKED AT ABOUT IN 2018, ABOUT, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          THERE, THE BUDGETS WOULD USE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF FUND BALANCE. 
          THOSE HAVE BEEN USED OVER THOSE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND THIS YEAR, THE, THE, THE BOARD IS TASKED WITH TYPICAL CHALLENGE OF KEEPING THE TAX RATE BELOW THE 2% LEVY LIMIT, AS WELL AS BATTLING THOSE APPROPRIATIONS AND NOT USING TOO MUCH OF FUND BALANCE. 
          A LOT OF DIFFICULT DECISIONS ON THE APPROPRIATIONS SIDE WHERE, WHERE HAD TO BE MADE. 
          UH, THE, THE TOTAL THAT YOU SEE UP HERE OF THE APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE RESERVES IS ANTICIPATING ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF OF SAVINGS TO OFFSET THOSE, UH, THOSE ECONOMIC DIFFICULTIES. 
          THE, AS FAR AS THE THE TAX RATE, UH, THE TAX RATE WILL BE DISTRIBUTED BASED, UH, THAT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE, THE, UH, ASSESS VALUATION BASED ON THE MOST CURRENT ASSESSMENTS. 
          AND THIS HAS BEEN A STEADY INCREASE OF ABOUT ALMOST 1%, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT EVERY YEAR. 
          SO THE, THE, THE TAX, THE TAX RATE WILL ACTUALLY, UH, BE OFFSET A LITTLE BIT ON THAT INCREASE BECAUSE IT'S BEING SPREAD OVER A GREATER POPUL OR A GREATER, UM, VALUE OF PROPERTIES THERE, WHICH GETS US RIGHT TO THE TAX RATES. 
          SO THIS SLIDE WILL SHOW, EXCUSE ME AGAIN, UH, SHOW THE TAX RATE, UM, IMPLICATIONS OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 
          YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S A PRETTY, THE TREND IS A PRETTY MODEST INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          UM, FOR THIS YEAR, FOR THE TOWN OUTSIDE VILLAGES, WE'RE SEEING $11 AND 66 CENTS PER $1,000 OF ASSESSED VALUE. 
          UM, THAT EQUATES TO A 1.9 PER PERCENT INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR. 
          UM, IF YOU ANNUALIZE THAT OVER THE PREVIOUS FOUR YEARS, THAT COMES OUT TO A, TECHNICALLY AN AVERAGE OF 1.8 PER YEAR INCREASE IN THAT RATE. 
          FOR THE TOM WIDE RATE, WE'RE SEEING A $5 32 CENTS INCREASE ON A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH PLAYS TO A 1.4% INCREASE, WHICH ANNUALIZED OVER THE FOUR YEARS, COMES IN AT ABOUT 1.13%. 
          THIS NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW THE COMPOSITION OF WHERE THOSE TAX RATES FALL. 
          UH, WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE, A FUND OF THE TOWN, IS SHARED BY BOTH THE TOWN OUTSIDE VILLAGE AND THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS. 
          WHEREAS THE B FUND WITH WHERE THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE POLICE SUPPORT IS HELD, AS WELL AS THE DB FUND, WHICH IS ALL THE HIGHWAY EXPENDITURES, THAT TAX BURDEN IS SHARED ONLY BY THE OUTSIDE VILLAGE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR OWN HIGHWAY AND HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, POLICE. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO SHOW THE PERCENT OR THE DOLLAR CHANGE EACH YEAR, YEAR TO YEAR. 
          SO WHAT WE WANNA DO HERE WITH THIS SLIDE IS SHOW NOT ONLY THE INCREASE OR THE EFFECT FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE LAST 10 YEARS. 
          SO WE JUST WENT THROUGH IN THE PREVIOUS TIME, WE'RE SEEING A 22% RAISE FOR RESIDENTS OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE OF 7% FOR THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, FROM 2023, FROM 2014 TO 2023, WE'VE SEEN A $2 AND 27 INCREASE IN A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER ASSESSED VALUE OF $1 8 CENTS FOR BILLAGE RESIDENCE TO TRY AND PUT THAT INTO THE PERCENTAGE, UM, PERSPECTIVE, IT'S 2.05 FOR RESIDENCE AND 2.16 FOR THE BILLABILITY. 
          SO IF WE COULD TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE AND TRANSLATE IT INTO A ACTUAL DOLLAR FACTOR FOR AN AVERAGE HOME, UH, WHAT I DID IS I LOOKED AT WHAT A CARE MARKET VALUE LISTING OF ABOUT $250,000 WOULD COST, UH, WOULD THE, THE IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE. 
          SO A $250,000 HOUSE IS EQUALIZED AT ABOUT 40%, UH, MEANING THAT THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY IS ABOUT 40% OF THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, TWO A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED TO A HUNDRED, $2,000 OF A SECOND VALUE. 
          A HOMEOWNER PAYING, UH, PAYING, UH, TAXES ON THAT ASSESSED PROPERTY FOR THE TOWN TAX RATE UNDER THIS PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD SEE ABOUT A $22 AND 86 CENTS INCREASE. 
          WHEREAS, UH, THAT'S THE RESIDENT OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE, WHEREAS THE VILLAGE RESIDENT WOULD'VE WILL SEE A, A PROPOSED INCREASE OF ABOUT $7 AND 54 CENTS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          THAT'S FOR THE TOWN PORTION OF THE TAX BILL. 
          UH, WE'LL BREAK DOWN THE TAX, THE INDIVIDUAL TAX BILL BETWEEN SCHOOL AND TOWN. 
          UH, TO CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION FROM, UH, AN ANNUAL LOOKING AT THE 10 YEAR CHANGE OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, 
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UH, ASSUMING CONSTANT CPI AND CONSTANT, UH, EQUALIZATION RATE, THAT THAT JUST USING AN ASSESSED VALUE FROM $102,000 IN 2014, UH, IT WAS ABOUT $232 LESS IN 2014 THAN IT IS NOW. 
          UH, WHEREAS THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS WOULD SELL ABOUT $110 INCREASE AT AN ASSESSED VALUE AND AT ALL, ALL OTHER THINGS, TIME VALUE THAT, MONEY CONSTANT. 
          UH, I DID MENTION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER TAX RATES FLOATING AROUND THE TOWN. 
          UH, YOU CAN KIND OF JUST RUN DOWN THIS, THIS LINE FOR US. 
          THIS IS JUST A QUICK REPRESENTATION OF THE DIFFERENT RATES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          WE'LL SEE THE TOP TWO WITH THE INCREASING SLOPE OR THE GREATER INCREASE OVER TIME. 
          TOP LINE IS THE HAMBURG SCHOOL TAX, THE, THE SECOND ONE'S FRONTIER, AND BELOW THAT, THE NEXT FIVE WOULD BE REPRESENTED. 
          THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG VILLAGE PLAYS DOWNTOWN, COUNTY AND TOWN OUTSIDE VILLAGES. 
          WE'LL SEE THAT THE SLOPE FOR INCREASE OVER TIME HAS HELD PRETTY CONSTANT. 
          UM, SO WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS, IS THE SCHOOL TAXES HAVE GONE UP, BUT WHICH MEANS OUR TAXES HAVE GONE UP. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GETTING A BIGGER PIECE OF THE OVERALL PIE BECAUSE OUR RATES BASICALLY STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE 10 YEAR SPAN. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS PUT TOGETHER A HANDFUL OF CHARTS HERE, OR, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT CHARTS OF THE PROPORTION OF TAXES BEING PAID. 
          UH, THE FIRST RESIDENT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE TAXPAYER THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE HAMBURG SCHOOL DISTRICT OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. 
          AND ONLY ABOUT 19% OF THAT WOULD MAKE UP THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S TAX BURDEN, UH, WITH WHAT EQUATING INTO THE SAME DOLLAR, UH, USING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUE. 
          THE TOWN TAX BILL AT THIS HOME WOULD BE ALMOST $1,200. 
          JUST SHY. 
          WELL, THE TOWN, THE COUNTY OF ERIE, PORTION OF THAT TAX RATE BASED ON LAST YEAR'S TAXES, THEY DIDN'T ISSUE THEIR FORMAL BUDGET YET, IS ABOUT $1,118. 
          THE LION'S SHARE OF THE TAX BILL FOR THIS RESIDENT IS ABOUT 41 50, AND THAT WAS UPDATED FOR THE MOST RECENT HAMBURG SCHOOLS DISTRICT, UH, TAX RATE $4,150. 
          SO THE TOTAL TAX BILL IS 64, UH, 6,463 FOR THIS RESIDENT, YET ONLY ABOUT LESS THAN 1200 ACTUALLY, UH, IS EQUATED TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          THIS NEXT SLIDE WILL INJECT THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. 
          SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT TAKES THAT RESIDENT WHO MOVES 'EM INTO THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, ADDS A VILLAGE TAX, BUT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE TAX BILL FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          AND THIS SITUATION THAT THAT 7% OF THAT TAX BILL IS ABOUT $545 GOES TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOR THIS RESIDENT. 
          THEIR TOTAL TAX BILL WOULD BE CLOSE TO EIGHT $8,000. 
          UH, THE COUNTY OF ERIE OBVIOUSLY CONSISTENT WITH THE LAST ONE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S COUNTYWIDE TAX. 
          THE VILLAGE TAXES FOR THIS RESIDENT ARE ABOUT 2200, AND THE HAMBURG SCHOOL TAXES ARE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE. 
          WE ALSO USED, UH, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A TAXPAYER IN THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          THIS ONE THAT LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE, UH, BLAZEDALE PAYS ABOUT $5,500 IN TAXES THAT COUNTED TO HAMBURG. 
          UH, TAX BILL IS ABOUT 1200, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE, UH, EXACT SAME AS THE ONE THAT WOULD LIVE, UH, IN THE HAMBURG SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SLIDE AND THAT SLIDE, OF COURSE, IS THE PORTION OF TAXES TO THE FRONTIER SCHOOLS VERSUS THE HAMBURG SCHOOLS, WHICH ACTUALLY DECREASES BY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO 31 82. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL CHART THAT WE SHOW HERE, UH, JUST TAKES THAT RESONANT, MOVES 'EM INTO THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE, ADDS ABOUT $2,200 OF TAXES TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT THEN OF COURSE THE TOWN TAX SHARE WOULD GO DOWN TO ABOUT 545. 
          UM, SO THE, THE, THE GOAL OF THESE CHARTS IS TO SHOW THAT TAX BILL IS DISTRIBUTED IN, IN, IN SOME CASES IN FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          UM, AND THE TOWN'S EITHER THE, THE LOWEST OR THE SECOND TO LOWEST FOR EACH OF THOSE ONES. 
          AND THAT'S THE FORMAL PRESENTATION. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, WANNA THANK LUKE AND THE STAFF FOR HELPING PUT ALL TOGETHER. 
          CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, ENTERTAIN, IF I CAN'T ASK HER FOR LUKE CAN JUMP IN OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, THE FLOOR'S OPEN FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK ON THE BUDGET. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          WHY DON'T READ THE NOTICE, PLEASE. 
          THANKS. 
          NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET OF TOWN OF ANN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2023, HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND FILED IN THE OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK, 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK, AND WHERE IT IS AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION BY HONEY ERS IN PERSON AT REASONABLE HOURS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, AN EXCEPTION REPORT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION. 
          FURTHER NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, PURSUANT TO SECTION 
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1 21 B ONE OF THE STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1972 AS AMENDED AND ALL THE OTHER APPLICABLE STATUTES WILL MEET AND REVIEW SET PRELIMINARY BUDGET AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING THERE ON AT HAMBURG TOWNHOUSE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON OCTOBER 24TH, 2022. 
          AND THAT AT SUCH HEARING, ANY PERSON MAY BE HEARD IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET AS COMPILED AND FOR OR AGAINST ANY ITEMS THEREIN CONTAINED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 0 8 OF TOWN LAW, PROPOSED SALARIES OF THE FOLLOWING TOWN OFFICERS ARE HEREBY SPECIFIED AS FOLLOWS, THE SUPERVISOR, $84,587 COUNCILMAN FOR EACH $19,786, THE TOWN CLERK, $79,176 TOWN JUSTICES TO EACH $63,285 AND THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT $83,704 BY ORDER OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN. 
          THANK YOU ANYBODY WISHING TO BE HEARD ON THE BUDGET. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE A BUDGET HEARING. 
          MOTION TO CLOSE SECOND BY SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FAMILY, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR, HOWEVER, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          THIS MOVE TO OUR SECOND BUDGET HEARING, PLEASE TAKE NOTICE OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN HANDBOOK, A HEALTHY HEARING, 24 20 CHANGES AT 7:00 PM AT THE HAMBURG TOWNHOUSE, 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HENRY NORTH IN ACCORDANCE TO SECTION 180 4 OF THE TOWN LAW TO PROVIDE FOR CHANGES IN THE FIRE PROTECTION CONTRACTS AS FOLLOWS, ARMOR, VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY PROPOSED CONTRACT $444,300 VICTORY VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY $538,606, LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, $557,500. 
          LAKEVIEW FIRE COMPANY DISTRICT $72,346. 
          NEWTON AVID VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, $500,791. 
          SCRANTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY $533,545 AND VILLAGE OF HAMBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY $179,192 AND WOODLAWN VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, $420 $838. 
          THESE CONTRACTS PROVIDE FOR THE FIRE PROTECTION AND AMBULANCE SERVICE WITHIN AND OR OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. 
          THE TERM OF THE ABOVE CONTRACTS SHALL BE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR WITH THE PRIVILEGE OF RENEWAL FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL YEAR TERMS AS PROVIDED IN AND UNDER THE CONDITIONS STATED IN EACH CONTRACT. 
          FULL OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL CITIZENS AND PARTIES IN BY ORDER OF THE TOWN BOARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WE HAVE, UM, OUR, UH, MEN AND WOMEN FROM OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES, UH, HERE TO, UH, TO BE HEARD ON THE, UH, ON THE BUDGET. 
          AND WE WILL, UH, GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN ORDER OF THAT YOU SIGNED IN. 
          SO THAT'LL START US OUT WITH, UH, NEWT NAVI. 
          MR. VALDI, GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING, UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO, UH, JUST POINT OUT THAT NEWT NAVID WENT IN FOR A 3.5% INCREASE, UH, BASICALLY DUE THE SAME THING THAT THE, YOU WENT THROUGH WITH THE TOWN BUDGET AND, UH, THE FINANCE SEEN AT THE INCREASES, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING THE SAME INCREASES EXCEPT ON A MUCH SMALLER BUDGET. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT OUR 3.5%, UH, GOT IN THAT. 
          SO, THANKS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL OF 'EM, WHICH IS BASICALLY, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT YOU'RE, UM, HANDLING AND, UH, THE STRUGGLES THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH RECRUITING NEW VOLUNTEERS AND MAINTAINING THE, THE FORCE, UH, OVER THE LAST DECADE? SO, SO OBVIOUSLY EVERY, EVERY DEPARTMENT'S GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN STORY. 
          UH, OUR STORY AT NEW D IS, UH, RETENTION, OBVIOUSLY RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT IS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING SOME OF OUR MONEY TO GET THAT MEMBERSHIP. 
          WE'RE RUNNING MORE CALLS THAN WE HAVE LAST YEAR THAN WE HAVE THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON TRACK FOR ALMOST, UH, A LITTLE OVER 900 CALLS WHEN WE USED TO BE A 600, UH, 600 CALL, UM, DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN IS GROWING. 
          WE'RE GETTING MORE RESIDENTS, WE'RE GETTING MORE SENIOR LIVING IN OUR DISTRICTS, AND THAT'S WHAT 
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BRINGING OUR CALL VOLUME UP. 
          SO WE NEED TO GET OUT, WE NEED TO RECRUIT A LITTLE BIT HARDER, WE NEED TO GET BETTER, OR, OR I'M SORRY, MORE EMTS. 
          WE NEED TO GET MORE FIREFIGHTERS AND WE, WE NEED TO PUT IT BACK INTO OUR MEMBERS TO KEEP THEM ON BOARD AS WELL. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CALLS CONTINUE TO INCREASE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS CONTINUES TO DECREASE ESSENTIALLY YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          IS THERE A BREAKING POINT? IS THERE A SOLUTION? IS THERE, UM, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON HOW WE CAN SOLVE THAT TO KEEP THE SAFETY LEVEL THE WAY WE NEED IT AND, AND RIGHT, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK IT, I FORGET THE TOWN CHIEF, BUT THE TOWN CHIEFS ARE WORKING ON A, A SOLUTION, UH, FOR TOWN WIDE FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. 
          BUT I'LL LET 'EM SPEAK ON THAT, UH, PORTION OF IT. 
          SO LET PICK UP WHERE YOU LEFT OFF FOR VICTORY. 
          THE  ARE DEVELOPING, UM, PAID SERVICE FOR EMS. IT'S, UM, HAD THE BILL THIS PAST YEAR AS THE 2 0 9 B BILL. 
          IT'S ALLOWED THE VOLUNTARY FOR COMPANY, THE BILL, THE PATIENTS THAT WE TRANSPORT TO THE, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD RATHER BE TRANSPORTED BY THE VOLUNTEERS THAN I WOULD BY A PAID, TRUE PAID SERVICE BECAUSE THE VOLUNTEERS CAN'T BILL A PATIENT. 
          WE CAN ONLY BILL THE INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          SO A PATIENT WILL NEVER SEE A BILL, AND THAT'S RIGHT, THE LAW. 
          SO REALLY, WE'RE JUST COLLECTING INSURANCE MONEY NOW, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT INSURANCE MONEY FOR A LITTLE WHILE? WE'RE JUST GONNA BANK SO WE GET ENOUGH SO WE CAN DECIDE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          MY THOUGHT IS MY THOUGHT EVENTUALLY WE'LL PAY PEOPLE STIPENDS OR PER DIEM TO BE ABLE TO MAN THESE THINGS AND GET OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SAME SERVICE TO EVERY SINGLE REP. 
          IF WE CAN TAKE THAT EMS CALL OFF OF THE TABLE, I THINK YOU'LL SEE WHERE FIREFIGHTERS DON'T MIND AND ARE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE OTHER 600 CALLS AND KNOW THE PRESIDENT HERE FROM VICTORY. 
          HE'LL GIVE YOU OUR NUMBERS IN A SECOND. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE THERE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SOME, BUT A LOT OF THOSE ARE EMS CALLS. 
          WE'RE EXHAUSTED. 
          THE MATH DOESN'T WORK OUT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MEMBERS I HAVE, HOW MANY CALLS WE GOT. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THAT. 
          AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE EITHER TAKE CALLS AWAY, BUT WE GET MORE MEMBERS TOUGH TO GET MEMBERS. 
          WE ALREADY KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT FEELS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          SO OUR SOLUTION IS TO TAKE SOME OF THE CALL WAY BY PAYING PEOPLE TO ANSWER THOSE EMS CALLS. 
          AND IF WE CAN TAKE THOSE OFF OF OUR PLATE, IT'S MUCH MANUAL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS ON. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, UH, GETTING BACK TO NEWTON, COULD YOU, YOUR BIGGEST, UH, EXPENDITURE LINE IS YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AT $192,500. 
          COULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE? SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, UH, IS THAT'S OUR BUDGET. 
          IT COST US EVERY YEAR TO OPERATE. 
          SO OUR, OUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT COMES OUT OF THERE, OUR APPARATUS PAYMENTS COME OUT OF THERE, OUR GEAR LOAD. 
          I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT COST US EVERY YEAR. 
          AND THAT BUDGET, I, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S, IT'S UNDERFUNDED AND WE SUPPLEMENT FROM, FROM OTHER LINES IN OUR BUDGET. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS WHERE THAT GOES. 
          A HUNDRED, ACTUALLY 105% OF THAT IS, IS SPENT JUST ON OUR, ON OUR FACILITY THAN OUR EQUIPMENT. 
          SO THIS IS MORE, MORE DEBT SERVICE THAN, THAN PAYING IN CASH. 
          WHAT, UH, WHEN YOU SAY MORE DEBT SERVICE? YEAH. 
          SO, SO THESE ARE PAYMENTS ON, ON LOANS FOR EQUIPMENT AND, AND PROPERTY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NEW NOTE? OKAY, BIGTREE, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN OUR, OUR BUDGET FOR, UM, WE'RE 0.5% INCREASE. 
          WE INVEST FOR MORE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE. 
          RESPECT. 
          WE ALL ARE UNDER THE SAME, UH, UMBRELLA AS FAR AS POPULATING, SO WE GOTTA KIND OF, YOU MANAGE IT THE BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, HAVE GONE UP. 
          YES. 
          WHAT CREATES FOR REE IS MOST OF THIS, UM, INCREASE IS GOING TO OUR DAY-TO-DAY EXPENSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO BE CONSERVATIVE. 
          WE'VE HAD AUDITS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS IN OUR, IN OUR, OUR AUDITOR HAD SAID, AND KEEP INCREASING YOUR REGISTRATION COSTS OR YOUR REQUIREMENT RUN REQUIRE COMPANY ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, BUT YOU'RE 
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NOT INCREASING YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR STATEMENTS FOR EQUIPMENT. 
          WE ALL KNOW THAT EQUIPMENT HAS GONE UP. 
          ASTRONOM, RIGHT? WE JUST HAD, LAST YEAR WE TOOK PRODUCTION OF TWO BRANDING PUMPS. 
          ONE WE BOUGHT OUT THE OTHER ONE RELEASING BECAUSE THE COST HAS EXCEEDED WHAT WAS IN OUR STATE THIS YEAR. 
          WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC, UM, OR EVENT TO OUR ANNUALS. 
          IT RENDERED IT OUT OF SERVICE. 
          SO NOW WE HAD TO SPEND MONEY THAT WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON SPENDING TO PURCHASE A NEW AMBULANCE. 
          UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. 
          WELL, WHAT'S NOT GOING UP IS BEING ANOTHER 5, 10, 15 YEARS. 
          IF WE STAY AT WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THAT NEW EQUIPMENT TO OUTFIT ONE FIREFIGHTER. 
          IT'S GONNA COST ROUGHLY ABOUT 10 THOUSANDS. 
          KNOWLEDGE SAFETY. 
          WE HAVE A FUND FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          ARE WE GONNA MEET THAT IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? WE, OR ACTUALLY IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS WHEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT, IF WE KEEP GOING IN THE SAME PATH WE'RE AT NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE HOPING TO GET A GRANT LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME WHEN WE, OUR TURN UP HERE WAS COMING UP TO DUE. 
          AND IT'LL NFDA ONLY ALLOWS TURN UP HERE FOR 10 YEARS FOR REQUIREMENT. 
          OUR CALLS STARTING WITH, UH, THIS JUST GONNA SHOW YOU THE GROWTH OF OUR CALL LINE IN 2020. 
          WE HAD, WE WERE DISPATCHED 496, 20 21, 1,540 CALLS. 
          THE DATE WE CHECKED THIS JUST BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS MEETING, WE'RE AT 1,449 CALLS PER YEAR. 
          AND WE'RE ONLY IN HALFWAY THROUGH DECEMBER, OUR CALL VOLUME IS GOING TO GO UP. 
          WE WERE AT THE LAST TO BOARD MEETING WHERE THERE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP. 
          OUR DISTRICT IS GROWING FASTER THAN WE CAN KEEP UP. 
          EVERYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? TO ANSWER EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS? SO YOU MENTIONED, UH, SAVINGS. 
          COULD YOU TELL US WHERE, WHERE YOUR, YOUR BUDGET IS AS FAR AS AS SAVINGS, FUND, BALANCE AND RESERVES? I DON'T HAVE THOSE EXACT NUMBERS ON ME. 
          ABOUT 20% OF THAT BUDGET I'M JUST ON HERE GOES IN TOWARD, UM, ACTUALLY ABOUT MORE THAN 30%. 
          IT WAS IN TOWARD, UM, OUR SAVINGS  FOR NEW APPARATUS TURNOUT HERE. 
          UM, A RESERVE, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BIG CREEK? THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOODLAWN. 
          HI, UH, PAT MCMAN, PRESIDENT OF WOODLAWN. 
          UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN APPROXIMATELY 2% INCREASE. 
          UH, MAIN THING IS LIKE, UH, TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WITH, UH, UTILITIES FUEL AND THERE'S A LOT OF MANDATED HARDWARE AND, UH, HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE FOR THE FIRE COMPANY. 
          UH, THAT, THAT IS PRICES JUST KEEP GOING UP AND UP ON THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, SO OUR CALL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S USUALLY BETWEEN THREE, 400 CALLS A YEAR. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE IN A HIGH 600, 700 FOR CALLS. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY A LOT OF 'EM PLACE. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW WHY REQUIRE WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE. 
          SO, UH, WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO HELPING OUT OUR FRONTIER AT BIG TRADE, UH, WE MORE HAPPY TO DO THAT, UH, FOR BEING. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING QUITE WELL TOGETHER. 
          PACKAGE ONE OF YOUR LARGEST EXPENSES AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE BREAKDOWN OF ALL THESE EXPENSES. 
          YEAH, VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, IS, UH, YOUR BUILDING FUND AT 81,000, IS THERE ANYTHING EXCITING TO REPORT ON THAT? THAT'S BASICALLY OUR MORTGAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL OUR MORTGAGE INVOLVED THAT WE HAVE ON IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE FOR WOODLAWN? I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE OTHERS CAN, UH, CHIME IN AS WELL, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE IN CALLS, IT'S, IT SEEMS SO SIGNIFICANT. 
          IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT YOU'RE RUNNING INTO NOW THAT YOU HADN'T IN THE PAST? WHAT ARE THE CALLS THAT, THAT THE CALLS, WHAT'S THE REASON THE CALLS ARE UP? ANY IDEA? OH, WELL, LISTEN FROM LAKE SHORE YOU GO AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS, IS, IS THE TOWN IS GROWING AND IN, IN LAKE SHORE'S DISTRICT, WE HAVE THREE PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEXES COMING UP, WHICH IS, 
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UH, SENIOR HOUSING AND, UH, HOUSING FOR, UH, DISABLED PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE ALL KNOW SENIORS ARE, ARE MORE AP GETTING ILLNESSES, INJURIES FROM SLIP AND FALLS. 
          UM, AND THAT IS INCREASING CALL VOLUME. 
          IT'S BIG IF YOU HEAR EVERY DAY BUFFALO STATE, UM, SOUTH POINT APARTMENT COMPLEX, TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY. 
          THE, THE, AND THE BUILDING, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS ANOTHER STORY FOR ANOTHER TYPE. 
          IT'S GOT TO ADD. 
          HAS ANY, DO WE DO ANY STUDIES ON EMERGENCY SERVICE? HOW AFFECTS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? HOW AFFECTS THE, UH, FIRE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY STUDIES BEING DONE THAT. 
          AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST THING WITH MORE CARS GONNA USE MORE FUEL, YOU'RE GONNA USE MORE EQUIPMENT COSTS YEARS. 
          UH, LAST YEAR AT THIS POINT, AN AIRPLANE COST SEVEN TO $8,000. 
          THEY'RE OVER $11,000 NOW. 
          LAKESHORE JUST RECEIVED A GRANT FOR, UH, RADIO FOR ABOUT $130,000. 
          YEAR BEFORE THAT WE RECEIVED A DEC GRANT. 
          LAKESHORE IS APPLYING FOR GRANTS, UH, HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER WE APPLYING FOR, UH, UH, UH, AN AIR PACK GRANT. 
          UM, SO WE AREN'T GOING OUT AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          OUR APPLYING ARE APPLYING FOR GRANTS AND THAT, BUT UNTIL THE CALL VOLUME, UM, UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE TO THE FIRE COMPANIES IS TALL BY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T EXPECT OUR PEOPLE TO BE COMING OUT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A DAY OR BUILD A HAMMER, YOU KNOW, 6, 7, 8 CALLS A DAY. 
          UM, THAT TAKES A TOLL ON PEOPLE. 
          AND IT ALSO INCREASES YOUR, YOUR EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, FUEL, UH, EMS EQUIPMENT, FIRE EQUIPMENT, WHATEVER THAT CASE MAY BE. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, AS I SAID, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, IT, IT, IT IS JUST A KILLER FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND NOBODY'S TAKING A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW THAT IS AFFECTING EMERGENCY SERVICES. 
          I KNOW IT'S AFFECTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST, I I I LISTEN TO THE RADIO AROUND ALL OUR CALLS, UM, OR MOST OF THE TIME. 
          UM, SO THEIR, THEIR CALL VOLUME IS INCREASING. 
          OUR CALL VOLUME IS INCREASING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'D BE ANOTHER TIME TO SIT DOWN AND, AND HAVE COFFEE OVER AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT CALL VOLUME AND WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BUILDING AGAIN, THAT'S GREAT FOR, FOR TAXES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CASE TO GROWTH, BUT THE SCHOOLS CAN'T HANDLE IT. 
          THE EMERGENCY SERVICES CAN'T HANDLE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, A SERIOUS LOOK AT. 
          THAT IS YOU, ONE OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS A FOLLOW UP IS, UM, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT YOUTH AND MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL ILLNESS. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT, UH, DRUGS USAGE AND A LOT OF CALLS FOR, FOR NARCAN. 
          NARCAN AND, AND, UH, DRUG RELATED, UH, SITUATIONS THAT'S INCREASED. 
          IS THAT, UH, IS THAT THE REALITY OR IS THAT JUST WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING IS THAT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S REALITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT GETTING THE POLITICAL ASPECT OF THAT OR WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, BUT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT FAIRLY QUIET. 
          THE NUMBER OF OVERDOSES WENT. 
          NOW, NOW IN THE LAST YEAR THEY'VE GONE UP AGAIN AND THERE WERE A COUPLE TODAY. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, AND THIS COSTS MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE TRY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN. 
          WE TRY TO KEEP FUNDRAISERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, PARDON ME, WE BURNED DOWN IT. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, IT COMES BACK FROM QUALIFYING, BUT IT'S SPECIFIC WITH THE YOUTH. 
          IS IT, YOU KNOW, TEENAGERS, TWENTIES, I MEAN, IS THERE, CAN YOU PINPOINT A SEGMENT THAT YOU SAY, WOW, THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. 
          WELL, IT'S AFFECTING EVERYBODY, BUT THE DRUGS OR, OR MENTAL HEALTH IN, IN THE CALLS. 
          YEAH, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT FACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, ABUSERS ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH, OLDER PEOPLE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT IS JUST, IT. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T TIE IT DOWN TO ANY ONE AGE. 
          SO WIDESPREAD IT'S NOT, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A REALITY. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ON THAT NOTE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          CALL, CALL VOLUME IS AN ISSUE AND WE, UH, WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, AND AS MY HOPE THAT WE CAN BE CREATIVE AS A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I SERVED AS THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR SERVICES. 
          AND I KNOW, UH, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF  AS WELL AS OTHER CHIEFS IN FIRE COMPANIES THROUGHOUT HAMBURG, THAT, UH, HELPING PEOPLE UP OFF THE FLOOR IS A BIG PART OF YOUR DAY. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I'M SURE THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO BE DOING. 
          WHILE I WAS COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR SERVICES, WE WERE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A LITTLE PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG FIRE COMPANY AND ECMC TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN GET INFORMATION TO FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE SLIPPED AND FALL TO PREVENT THOSE FALLS. 
          AND IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DECREASE THOSE NUMBERS OF FALLS. 
          THERE'S 
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TRIED AND PROVEN METHODS OF PREVENTING VOLS IN HOMES, AND WE HAVE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT, THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH SOME, SOME PARTNERSHIPS TO THAT END FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT PROGRAM IS GONE BY THE WAYSIDE. 
          UM, THEY, IT WAS, IT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM, WHICH WAS INTENDED TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE, BUT NOW'S THE TIME TO, TO, TO GET CREATIVE WITH OUR STAFF FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES, UH, AND THE OTHER RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          CALL VOLUME IS A BIG ISSUE. 
          WE'VE CALLED, YOU KNOW, HEALTH DEPARTMENT CALLED SENIOR SERVICES. 
          WE'VE CALLED, UH, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE RESIDENTS THAT ARE, AND IT'S GONE BY THE WAYSIDE. 
          I WENT SO FAR AS GOING TO THE, UH, THIS GUY'S DOCTOR AFTER ONE FALL AND THERE SAID NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          AND, AND HE WAS FALLING 3, 4, 5 TIMES A WEEK. 
          WELL, AS THE TOWN SUPERVISOR WORKING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND AS A, A PARTNER WITH THE FIRE AGENCIES, I'M SAYING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT WE COULD HAVE A ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE, PERHAPS. 
          YEAH, PERFECT. 
          I'LL BE THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ALRIGHT. 
          DID WE, WE DIDN'T DO LAKESHORE, RIGHT? I KNOW , I'VE BEEN WITH LAKESHORE FOR 40 YEARS, UH, THE PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST THREE, AND MY BROTHER REITERATED ON THE CALL AND BUY HIM. 
          AND THE ONE GUY, HE SAID, WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN THERE A HUNDRED TIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND IT'S NOT DURING THE DAY. 
          IT'S A 12 O'CLOCK . 
          WELL, FINANCIALLY FOR US, UH, AS YOU COULD SEE, WE PUT $87,000 A YEAR IN OUR TRUCK ACCOUNT IN THE NEXT FIVE, 10 YEARS. 
          IT AIN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING. 
          WE, UH, WE BOUGHT A NEW ENGINE TWO YEARS AGO. 
          THEY EVER REPLACED TWO ENGINES THAT WE BOUGHT 20 YEARS AGO FOR 400,000. 
          THIS ONE ENGINE WAS 800,000. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE 10 TO 15 YEAR, THEY'RE GONNA BE OVER A MILLION AND A HALF. 
          THAT'S A KILLER. 
          AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WITH LAKE SHORE, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF A, A HAUL. 
          IT'S FROM 1937 AND WE PAID FOR THE LONGEST TIME TO HAVE OUR TRUCKS BUILT SPECIFICALLY TO FIT IN THAT HAUL. 
          IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE ANYMORE. 
          AND LIKE MY BROTHER REITERATED ON THE AIR PACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH EMS CALLS, IT'S CALLED AN EPCR, IT'S ELECTRONICS THAT, THAT JUST CAME UP THE STATE PUT THAT ON US. 
          THAT'S $6,000 A YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND AS THE CALL VOLUME GOES UP, THAT'S GONNA GO UP. 
          SO THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF, BUT WE TRY TO BUDGET OUR BEST. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ASKED FOR THIS KIND OF AN INCREASE. 
          WE'RE ASKING 3%, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD IN A NEW HALL. 
          AND WE USED TO HAVE GRANTS FOR IT. 
          THERE ISN'T ANYTHING OUT THERE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I PROBABLY WON'T SEE IT IN MY TIME, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE AFFORD IT. 
          BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANKS CHRIS. 
          MR. MOSES. 
          WELL, I THINK WE JUST HEARD EVERYTHING FROM , ALL THE FIRE COMPANIES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WITHOUT BEING THE VILLAGE, WE DON'T, UH, WE'RE NOT GROWING ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSES OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, UH, OUR CALLS ARE, ARE REALLY GROWING AND, UH, MUTUAL AID. 
          WE'RE HELPING THESE GUYS, HELPING ALL OUR BROTHERS. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE ALL OUT THERE. 
          UH, OUR, OUR, UM, MEMBERSHIP, SO PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, FROM CLOSE TO A HUNDRED WE'RE DOWN TO SIX. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S TAKES IT HOME ON EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT GETTING BURNED OUT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING CLOSE TO, UH, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING OVER 1600 CALLS. 
          AND, UM, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WITH, WITH, WITH THE FIRST AID ALONE, YOU HEAR THEM ALL DAY ON THE AMBULANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY GO, THEY TAKE THESE PATIENTS TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE IN THERE FOR TWO, THREE HOURS IN THE WAITING ROOM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET, I RAN, I RAN, UH, LAST, WELL, PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS AGO, I RAN A TON OF CALLS AND, UH, 
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AND WE WERE IN THERE AND THEN AT, UH, A MR THEY'D BE LAUGHING BECAUSE HE SAID, WELL, WE'RE STANDING HERE, WE GET PAID FOR IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T GET PAID FOR IT. 
          WE'RE IN THERE AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT AS A SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE THOROUGHLY ENJOY DOING. 
          BUT, UM, IT DOES, IT TAKES A TOLL. 
          THESE GUYS ARE LEAVING WORK AND, UH, SOME OF 'EM ARE WORKING NIGHTS. 
          THEY GET UP AND GO DURING THE DAYTIME AND SO, YOU KNOW, SLEEPERS, BUT THAT, THAT HAS TO COME TOO, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SO, BUT IT'S EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP. 
          WE JUST, WE JUST ATE, UH, OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, WE BOUGHT A BRAND NEW AREA TRUCK AND THAT WAS 1.25 MILLION. 
          AND, UH, THANK GOD FOR THE VILLAGE TO, UH, TO COME IN WITH US, YOU KNOW, TO GO WITH US TO, UH, PURCHASE IT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA LAST US A LONG TIME. 
          WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE VILLAGE? ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO CRA EVENING, EVERYBODY, UH, ROBERT COMPANY. 
          WE ARE ASKING FOR A 3.9 INCREASE RECORD. 
          ALL THE ITEMS EVERYBODY HEARD HAS BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY OUR LINE ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, HIT HARD AS, UH, UTILITIES, FUEL FOR VEHICLE INSURANCES, UM, REPAIRS TO EQUIPMENT. 
          OBVIOUSLY OUR EQUIPMENT GETS OLDER, UM, REPAIRS ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, SHIP PHYSICAL TRAINING EQUIPMENT, UM, THOSE ARE THE, THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN OUR, UH, OUR LIGHT ITEMS. THANK YOU. 
          SO I APPRECIATE, UM, A GREAT SPREADSHEET THAT YOU GUYS SUBMITTED. 
          UM, SHOWING THE YEAR OVER YEAR COSTS. 
          UH, THIS IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL, UH, IN MAKING, MAKING THESE DECISIONS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. GRAHAM? ALRIGHT, AND THAT LEAVES ARMOR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S MIKE M THE CHIEF OF ARMOR. 
          OUR PRESIDENT WAS UNABLE TO COME THIS EVENING FOR PERSONAL REASONS, SO I'M DOING MY BEST TO CALL FOR, UM, AS EVERYONE HAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, CALL VOLUMES A HUGE DRIVER. 
          UM, AN OUR REQUEST ABOUT 2009, OUR CALL VOLUME WAS 365 CALLS FOR THIS FINDING ONE DAY OR A PHONE CALL PER DAY. 
          UH, WE'RE ON BASE FOR 900 THIS YEAR. 
          UM, LAST YEAR WAS OUR RECORD BREAKING YEAR AT 6 81 20 19 WAS OUR PREVIOUS RECORD BREAKING AT 6 0 2. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE GOING UP AND THEY'RE GOING UP VERY QUICKLY FOR US, WHICH IS CONCURRING GREAT DEAL OF COSTS FOR EQUIPMENT, MAINTENANCE, FUEL, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB AT FUNDRAISING, WHICH WAS DECIMATED BY COVID. 
          UM, WE PUT ALWAYS FUNDING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR BUDGET, UM, ON OUR OWN THROUGH VARIOUS BINGO, GRAPPLES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND WHEN COVID HIT, THAT PREVENTED US FROM MAKING ANY OF THOSE FUNDS, UM, LEAVING US TO TAP IN THE RESERVES TO MAKE THE BALANCE. 
          SO, UH, IT'S THE POSITION WHERE I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          I'M NOT THE MOST VERSED INDIVIDUAL FOR THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UM, YEAH, ARMOR WAS LOOKING FOR A A, A PRETTY BIG INCREASE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THAT INCREASE MAY HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO, UH, UH, SOME, SOME DEBT REDUCTION, UM, CORRECT. 
          WHICH, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN INCLUDED IN, IN ANY OTHER, UH, BUDGET REQUESTS. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE ON THAT? YEAH, SO WE RENOVATED OUR ENGINE ROOM, UH, BUT 2017, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE OUR FIRE TRUCKS, UM, WHICH WE'RE TAKING DELIVERY, UH, IN A COUPLE WEEKS OF OUR FIRST NEW APPARATUS IN MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, REPLACING ONE OF OUR AGING BUMPERS THAT'S OVER 20 YEARS OLD. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER BUMPER THAT'S OVER 20 YEARS OLD THAT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          OUR RESCUE TRUCK IS ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD THAT WILL BE BEING REPLACED. 
          UM, OUR, UH, THE MORTGAGE FOR, FOR THOSE, UH, THE LARGER PORTION OF THAT OR ELSE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT JUST GENERAL UPKEEP ON THE BUILDING. 
          UH, WE HAVE THREE HVAC UNITS THAT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED AS THE BUILDING. 
          ALL IS AGING, THE ONLY THE END GROUPS. 
          THAT IS WHAT WE WORK FORWARD ON. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S OUR, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, FUND BALANCE, 
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UH, UPWARDS OF 50% OF YOUR OPERATING BUDGETS. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, HAD, DO YOU HAVE A, A FUND BALANCE POLICY? WHERE DOES THE ARMOR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY WANTS TO KEEP THEIR FUND BALANCE AND, AND SAVINGS IN RELATION TO THEIR ENTIRE BUDGET? THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ALEX? ALRIGHT, UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO, UH, BE HEARD ON THE FIRE COMPANY BUDGETS? SHE'S THE ONLY ONE. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOCO IN FAVOR TO SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING TIME OUTTA YOUR NIGHTS TO JOIN US AND, UH, OUTLINE YOUR BUDGET REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          RESOLUTION NUMBER FIVE. 
          WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESSING PURCHASING TOWN STREET LIGHTS FROM NIAGARA MOHAWK POWER CORPORATION. 
          SO IF THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS HERE TONIGHT, YOU MAY HAVE REALIZED YOU PICKED A TERRIBLE NIGHT. 
          IT'S END TO TIME BOARD MEETING. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG ONE, IT'S NOW EIGHT O'CLOCK AND I BELIEVE, UH, OUR TOWN CLERK, KATHY AB CHINKY WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIGN YOUR DOCUMENTS AND YOU CAN GET HOME AND FINISH YOUR HOMEWORK. 
          ALL RIGHT, IS KATHY TAKEN CARE OF THAT? WE WILL CONTINUE ON. 
          WHERE IS THE TON OF HAM CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING TOWN STREET LIGHTS FROM NIAGARA MOHAWK POWER CORPORATION, EBA NATIONAL GRID. 
          AND WHERE IS THE TOWN OF RE ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT FOR PURCHASING TOWN STREET LIGHTS WITH NIAGARA MOHAWK POWER CORPORATION EBA NATIONAL GRID ON OR ABOUT AUGUST 22ND, 2021. 
          AND WHERE IS THE SURETY BOND IS REQUIRED UNDER THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO PURCHASE THE STREETLIGHTS FROM MAG HAWK POWER CORPORATION, EBA NATIONAL GRID NOW THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED, THE SUPERVISOR RANDALL, A HOPE IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO OBTAIN A SURETY BOND WITH THE EVANS AGENCY AND UPON APPROVAL OF THE TOWN ATTORNEYS SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL. 
          LORENZO IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          WE RESOLVE. 
          AMBRIDGE TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE REQUEST BY STRAND BALANCE YOUR FIRE COMPANY INCORPORATED TO CONFIRM MEMBERSHIP UPON INDIVIDUAL AS FOLLOWS, RYAN LITWIN. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          MR. LAKELAND IS HERE TONIGHT. 
          DOES HE RESOLVED THAT THE HENRY TO BOARD IS HEREBY APPROVE THE REQUEST THE NEWTON ABBOTT VOLUNTEER BY OUR COMPANY TO CONFIRM MEMBERSHIP UPON THE INDIVIDUAL AS FOLLOWS, DARREN JACKSON. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HOPE. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2022 FOR DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING ADOPTION OF PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 9 20 22. 
          AND WHEREAS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 9 20 22 WOULD AUTHORIZE THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAM ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO CONDUCT ITS MEETINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE VIDEO CONFERENCING PROVISIONS OF PUBLIC OFFICES LAW SECTION 1 0 3 DASH A AND THE VIDEO CONFERENCING POLICY IS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE A RESULT, DANBURY TOWN BOARD ADOPTED PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          THIS LOCAL LAW SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. 
          SO MOVE SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY ALL SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? HEARING BE RESOLVED. 
          BUT THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE YOUTH RECREATION SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO ACCEPT THE ONE AND ONLY QUOTE RECEIVED FOR REPLACEMENT AWNING FROM CLASSIC AWNING AND 10 COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,499. 
          FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING ACCOUNTS, A SEVEN THREE TEN TWO ZERO SIX FOUR ZERO THREE. 
          AND THE AMOUNT OF 5,000 AND A 7 0 2 0 4 7 2. 
          AND THE AMOUNT OF $499 SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION, MY COUNCIL MEMBER KINDLY SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOGUE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED. 
          CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DAVID BURKE, MEMBER OF HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK TO REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED ON WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD, SB NUMBER 1 7 1 0 5 DASH ONE DASH 3 1 1 FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          AND WHEREAS THE HAMBRICK TOWN BOARD IN ACCORDANCE 
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WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY RE REVIEW, REVIEW ACT, UH, HAS INCLUDING REVIEW. 
          AND THIS IS, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA, INCLUDING REVIEW OF THE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT PROPOSED REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE DOWN OF HAMBRE TOWN BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUE AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT SUPERVISOR IS AUTHOR AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HOGUE. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL LOREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OPPOSED. 
          SO IS IT THREE ONE OR WHAT DID YOU VOTE OPPOSED? IT WAS THREE TWO. 
          THREE TWO. 
          CARRIE, WHERE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM DAVID BURKE, MEMBER OF HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK TO REZO PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD, A PORTION OF SBL NUMBER 1 71 0.05 DASH ONE DASH THREE ONE FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A WORKFORCE HOWDEN PROJECT. 
          AND WHEREAS THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AND HE FOUND MERIT IN THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, AND WHEREAS THE HAM PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE REZONING REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED ON 7 20 22 THAT THIS REZONING REQUEST BE APPROVED AND CREATED A REPORT FOR THE TOWN BOARD'S REVIEW. 
          AND WHEREAS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2022. 
          AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND HAS ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THE REZONING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HEREBY REZOS THE PARCEL IDENTIFIED BELOW FROM C TWO TO NC. 
          WE HAVE FURTHER RESOLVED OF THE ZONING CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BE AMENDED AS FOLLOWS, TO AMEND LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 ON THE YEAR OF THE YEAR, 1986 OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING TO PROVIDE FOR A CHANGE IN THE BOUNDARY OF THE ZONING MAP WHEREBY THE ZONING HAS CHANGED FROM C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL GENERAL RESIDENCE DISTRICT FOR THE PORTION OF PROPERTY IDENTIFIED BY SB 1 71 0 5 3 1 SITUATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HOPE. 
          SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOPE ON THE QUESTION. 
          THIS HAS, UH, BEEN IN FRONT OF THE CH OUR PLANNING BOARD AND WE, UH, RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT COMMENT FROM, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ON THIS PROPOSED REZONING. 
          WE'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AS, UM, AS LESS TRAFFIC HEAVY THAN THE EXISTING ZONED UH, PURPOSES FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE ALSO HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHO MIGHT BE LIVING IN THESE APARTMENTS. 
          WE HEARD FOLKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TALK ABOUT THE BURDEN THAT THESE RESIDENTS MAY BRING TO THE TOWN. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN HAMBURG. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE NEED FOR HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE TO RESIDENTS. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT APARTMENTS, DEVELOP DEVELOPMENTS IN THE TOWN, WE OFTEN HEAR THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          MY OWN LIFE EXPERIENCE, MY OWN PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, HAS SHOWN ME THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING FOR OLDER ADULTS WHO ARE EMPTY NESTERS THAT WANNA STAY IN HAMBURG, BUT DON'T WANT TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES ON A FOUR BEDROOM SINGLE FAMILY HOME, NOR PAY FOR THE UPKEEP ON THAT HOME. 
          THESE APARTMENTS MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT A DIVORCED PARENT HAS TO KEEP THEIR CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF THEIR CHOICE. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THEY'VE GROWN UP IN THESE APARTMENTS MAY ALSO BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO SEE THAT THERE IS A CHANCE FOR THEM TO GET OUT OF AN UNHEALTHY SITUATION AND FIND AN AFFORDABLE, SAFE PLACE TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN. 
          THESE TYPES OF APARTMENTS ARE A NEW PART OF THE AMERICAN DREAM FOLKS. 
          I COME FROM THE GENERATION, UH, THE FIRST GENERATION TO NOT DO AS WELL FINANCIALLY AS OUR PARENTS AS A WHOLE. 
          THE AMERICAN DREAM LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TODAY, 
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AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TO COME TO HAMBURG, A GREAT COMMUNITY THAT I'M LOOKING TO SHARE WITH THEM. 
          WE HEARD FROM OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHILE WE KNOW THAT OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE, UH, VOLUNTEERS, UH, ARE THERE TO, TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE LOOK AT THIS AS AS ANOTHER AREA TO SERVE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THESE DEPARTMENTS AS AN AREA WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE RESIDENTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TOWN RESIDENTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP YOU. 
          WE, THIS IS A, A POSSIBILITY TO RECRUIT MORE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS FROM, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SITUATION. 
          HOWEVER, THIS IS A PROPOSED APARTMENT COMPLEX IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A GREAT SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH GREAT SCHOOLS, A COMMUNITY CENTER AND A SENIOR CENTER. 
          AND IT IS MY INTENTION TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION. 
          MAY I OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, SINCE IT'S OUR INTENTION TO BRING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING OR AS YOU SAID, QUITE A, A CROSS SECTION OF, UM, RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT BE FAMILIES, SENIOR CITIZENS, ET CETERA. 
          I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THE CONDITION FOR SIDEWALKS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS, SENIOR CITIZENS, I THINK AN IMPORTANT PART IS THAT NOT ONLY THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE, BUT IT'S GIVING THEM THAT EASY ACCESS TO THE DIFFERENT, UM, SERVICES AND AMENITIES, UH, STORES, UM, THE SCHOOLS, ET CETERA. 
          AND THAT WE ALSO AS A, AS A SIDE NOTE THAT WE AS A BOARD, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, THAT ONE OF OUR NEXT EFFORTS, WHETHER IT BE IN GRANT WRITING, UH, OR WHATEVER, THAT WE LOOK AT THE MORE GENERAL AREA WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BIG TREE BAYVIEW FRONTIER SCHOOL CORRIDOR THERE. 
          AND THAT WE LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY AND MOBILITY, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH, UM, SIGNAGE, SIDEWALKS, UH, TAKING, TAKING A LOOK IN GENERAL AT HOW PEDESTRIANS, UH, ET CETERA ARE ABLE TO TRAVERSE THROUGH THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE INTRODUCING THIS ADDITIONAL HOUSING. 
          SO FOR THIS, EXCUSE ME THOUGH, IF I COULD OUT FOR THAT AMENDMENT TO ADD THE CONDITION FOR SIDEWALKS MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO, UH, INCLUDE THE, UH, FOLLOWING CONDITION OF INCLUDING SIDEWALKS IN THE PROJECT. 
          SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOPE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OPPOSED, OPPOSED. 
          CARRIED. 
          ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE RESOLUTION? JUST ANOTHER COMMENT. 
          I KNOW WE AS A BOARD HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THIS AREA IN TRANSITION AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UM, AND THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PARCELS AND THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR THERE TO BE A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA FOR INTRODUCING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING AND THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR THERE HAVE A PLAN FOR EACH OF THE PIECES, UM, SO THAT IT IS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THAT IT COULD BUILD ON THIS STEP THAT WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE INTRODUCING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING THERE THAT THAT ENTIRE SECTION, UM, BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO US WITH A, A, A PLAN FOR THE REST OF THE PARCELS AND FOR HOW, WHETHER IT BE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE OR WHATEVER, UM, TO COMPLIMENT THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING INTO THE AREA. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU CAN ADD THAT AS A, AS A CONDITION ALSO, OR IF THAT CAN JUST BE A COMMENT. 
          AS AN ASIDE, I THINK BASED ON WHAT DREW SAID, IT SHOULD BE A CONDITION. 
          PARDON? I THINK BASED ON WHAT DREW HAD SAID EARLIER MM-HMM . 
          IT SHOULD BE A CONDITION. 
          GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I SPEAK DAVID BURKE HERE? UM, WE CAN BRING BEFORE YOU, I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE WRONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE ANY CONDITION ON OTHER PARCELS THERE, BUT WITHIN TWO MONTHS TIME I CAN BRING TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME OR ASKING OR IF THAT HELPS. 
          SO HAPPY TO, UM, AMEND I'M INCLUDING MORE SO THAN THE PARCEL THAT YOU JUST RESOLVED OR ARE ABOUT TO RESOLVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO FURTHER AMEND. 
          SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FURTHER AMEND THAT, UM, WE AFFORD THE DEVELOPER A, UH, THAT WE LOOK FOR WITHIN TWO MONTHS, HAVING A PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER FOR HIS INTENTIONS FOR THE REST OF THE PARCELS IN THAT AREA. 
          ON RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          ON RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          YES. 
          DOES THAT SEEM, IS THAT WORDED CORRECTLY? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          MOTION, UH, BY COUNCIL MEMBER RELL, LAUREN TO AMEND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOKE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OPPOSED, OPPOSED. 
          CARRIED. 
          UM, SO, UM, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, I'LL CALL ON THE CLERK TO, UH, DO A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE 
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SOMETHING FROM THE PARKING. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BRINGING RESIDENCY. 
          YOU JUST HEARD SEVEN, NINE COMPANIES IN THE TOWN HAVE TALK ABOUT INCREASED VOLUME OF COSTS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GO TO EVERY ONE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE HAVE THAT PRETTY MUCH AREN'T SENIOR AND WE DO TRY TO IMPROVE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT THERE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE, YOU'RE GONNA PUT MORE UNITS IN HERE. 
          IT'S GONNA INCREASE OUR BOND. 
          IT'S GONNA PUT MORE AND MORE STRESS ON THE VOLUNTEERS IN THIS, IN NOT ONLY THE BIG TREAT, BUT IN THE TONGUE OF HANDLING. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE OUT ANSWERING CALL, THAT MEANS SCRAPING WOOD LINE NEW N IT ARMOR SURROUNDING DISTRICTS HAVE BECOME INTO OUR, INTO OUR DISTRICT AND TAKE THOSE PROBLEM. 
          IT'S STILL NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM THAT EVERY ONE OF THE FIRE COMPANIES THAT WERE HERE TODAY HAD STRESSED INTO THE BOARD ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF CALL VOLUME AND ITS INCREASES. 
          IT'S GOING EXTREMELY HIGH. 
          PUTTING IN, UH, WHAT IS IT ROUGHLY HOW MANY UNITS? EIGHT UNITS. 
          10. 
          10. 
          10. 
          10 APARTMENTS PER UNIT. 
          OKAY. 
          ROUGHLY ABOUT SAY TWO PER UNIT. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          RIGHT? TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE, IN THE PROPOSAL ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, HAS ANYBODY CONSIDERED EMERGENCY SERVICES NOT ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? HAS ANYBODY CONTACTED THE FIRE SERVICE, THE TOWN CHIEF ASSOCIATION AND HOW? LET US REVIEW THESE AND SEE HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT US AS A WHOLE. 
          THE TOWN OF HAMMER HAS A TOWN CHIEF ASSOCIATION THAT DO MEET ON A MONTH BASIS AND YOU DO TALK ABOUT ISSUES OF EAST A MONTH. 
          THESE ARE THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT THE TOWN CHIEF ASSOCIATES CAN HANDLE THAT CAN BE A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THE TOWN OF HAMMER. 
          BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS, WHEN I HAD THE LUXURY OF SERVING AS CHIEF OF THE CHOIR COMPANY, THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH POWER ALLERGIES AND I CAN PROBABLY STAND HERE TODAY AND SAY I STAND ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT GOT THAT, THAT RESOURCE IN PLACE. 
          NOT ONLY DID WE THE FIRE COMPANIES MEET, BUT WE MET WITH TELL ME AND G TOWN HIGHWAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND WE GOT A RESOLVE THE ISSUE. 
          I THINK IT'S TIME TO MAYBE TO GET A COMMITTEE TOGETHER OR GET A TOWN REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TOWN BOARD TO START COMING BACK TO THE TOWN PEACE ASSOCIATION SO THEY CAN HEAR IT FIRSTHAND FROM US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ASKED TO CLERK TO DO A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          SUPERVISOR HOKE. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCILMAN CONLEY OPPOSED? COUNCILMAN HOKE? AYE. 
          COUNCIL MCC OPPOSED AND COUNCILWOMAN FARRELL LOREN AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS ON JUNE 27TH, 2022, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED AN AGREEMENT WITH GAME TIME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR AN ACCESSIBLE INCLUSIONARY PLAYGROUND TO BE DESIGNED AND INSTALLED AT THE HAMBURG RECREATION CENTER, AKA, THE NIKE BASE. 
          AND WHEREAS IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW PLAYGROUND, AN EXISTING UNIT MUST BE REMOVED AND RELOCATED TO A NEW AREA OF THE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMMER TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH GAMETIME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT ALLOWING FOR THE REMOVAL, RELOCATION, AND REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT SV 2 1 25 IN THE AMOUNT OF $17,500. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER I IN FAVORS A AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          YOU RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE TERMINATION AND HIRING A PERSONNEL FOR THE YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS PER THE ATTACHMENT. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FAVOR, AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          A VOTE WHERE THE TOP ASSESSOR HAS ADVISED THAT THERE ARE PENDING RETIREMENTS IN THE ASSESSING DEPARTMENT. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO STAY AHEAD OF RETIREMENTS AND PROVIDE TRAINING TO NEW HIRES, HE IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A DOUBLE FILL ALLOWANCE PER CIVIL SERVICE RULES TO HIRE AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT CLERK CONTINGENT PERMANENT RESOLVE THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A DOUBLE FILL ALLOWANCE FOR THE TITLE ASSESSMENT CLERK. 
          BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. 
          IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TOWN ASSESSOR TO APPOINT LORI WOIC TO THE FULL-TIME CONTINGENT PERMANENT POSITION OF ASSESSMENT CLERK WITHIN THE ASSESSING DEPARTMENT, THIS APPOINTMENT IS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 25TH, 2022 
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AT A RATE OF $22 16 CENTS PER HOUR. 
          $46,092 AND 80 CENTS ANNUALLY FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN A 1 3 5 5 0.1 MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COMMON SECOND. 
          SECOND COUNCIL. 
          ALL IN. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          BE RESOLVED AS TOWN BOARD APPROVED. 
          THE CREATION OF CLERK TYPIST 55 DASH A POSITION IN THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES DUE TO A SHIFT IN EMPLOYMENT POSITIONS VIA FURTHER RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED A SUPERVISOR TO SIGN SECTION EIGHT OF THE PO. 
          17 FOR THE OR AFOREMENTIONED POSITION. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOPE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          IT RESOLVED AS TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND OF SHANNON ZAKI TO THE NEWLY CREATED POSITION OF CLERK TYPIST. 
          PERMANENT, COMPETITIVE, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 25TH, 2022. 
          THIS APPOINTMENT IS SUBJECT TO COMPLETION OF ALL THE PRECONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          SALARY IS $21 46 CENTS PER HOUR. 
          FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN A 7 0 2 100. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY. 
          MULTIPLE SECONDS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          UH, COME ON UP HERE. 
          I USUALLY, UH, , BUT, UH, THIS ONE'S A LONG TIME COMING. 
          RIGHT. 
          . 
          UM, SHANNON HAS BEEN A GREAT EMPLOYEE BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, A GREAT MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SHE'S NOT JUST HERE DOING HER JOB IN RECREATION, SHE'S PICKING IN AT ANY TOWN INITIATIVE. 
          UH, SHE'S ALWAYS THERE WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS SOMETHING AND SHE HAS, UH, BEEN THE, THE FACE OF THE DEPARTMENTS FOR MANY PEOPLE. 
          SO, SHANNON, WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU FULL TIME AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE YOU FOR, FOR A NICE LONG TIME. 
          HE RESOLVED AS TOM BOARD APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION IN APPOINTING OF JOHN SODA TO THE VACANT POSITION OF RECREATION LEADER PERMANENT, COMPETITIVE, EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2022. 
          THIS APPOINTMENT IS SUBJECT TO COMPLETION OF ALL THE PRECONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          THE CANDIDATE IS ON THE RECREATION LEADER CIVIL SERVICE EXAM LIST NUMBER 67 DASH 6 8 2. 
          SALARY IS $22 AND 60 CENTS PER HOUR. 
          FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN A 6 7 7 200. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          MR. FOLKS INTERJECT HERE AS WELL. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER LONG TIME COMING. 
          JOHN HAS BEEN A, AN ACTIVE VOLUNTEER MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, I, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH FOLKS LIKE MARTY DE AND JOE WEZEL AND UH, AND JOSH  AND THE VILLAGE COACHING OUR YOUTH. 
          AND JOHN REALLY A COACH AT HEART AND WE HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO GREAT. 
          VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE YOU IN THE REC DEPARTMENT. 
          HOPE YOU'RE WITH US FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL. 
          I HOPE SO TOO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
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THANK. 
          I'M GOING TO POLL RESOLUTION 18 FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          WE JUST NEED TO ADD SOME, UH, INFORMATION TO THAT. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. 
          18. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED. 
          CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS TON OF HIM RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP. 
          REZONED VACANT LAND LOCATED NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, SBL NUMBER 1 6 15 DASH 2 2 1 1 60 15 DASH TWO DASH 12 13 16 70 18 AND 19 AND PORTION OF 1 60 15 39 2 FROM C1 RETAIL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT A CAR, DEALERSHIP, OFFICES AND CAR STORAGE AND TO CREATE A PARK. 
          AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEW THE REZONING REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED OCTOBER 5TH, 2022, THAT THIS REZONING REQUEST BE DENIED AND CREATED REPORTS TO THE TOWN BOARD'S REVIEW. 
          REVIEW NOW THEREFORE, WE RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD HEREBY SCHEDULES IN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REZONING REQUEST TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2022 AT 7:00 PM SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HOPE. 
          SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LL LAUREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. 
          A AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED CARRIED BE. 
          THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED. 
          THE TERMINATION AND REHIRING OF PERSONNEL AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWED IN THE ATTACHMENT. 
          SO MOVED. 
          MOTION BY SECOND BY COMPANY FER. 
          LAUREN, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          NOW I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A LATE RESOLUTION, UM, CONCERNING, UH, A ACCEPTING A PLANNING BOARD RESOLUTION. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER REZ. 
          ALL IN FAVOR AND SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? UH, WHEREAS ON OCTOBER 19TH, THE PLANNING BOARD TOWN PAMPER PLANNING BOARD PASSED A RESOLUTION, UH, AS FOLLOWS, AS MORE THAN TWO YEARS HAVE ELAPSED BETWEEN THE PLANNING BOARD'S ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AND THE AUGUST, 2022 FILING OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND IN THAT TIME, THE TOWN HAS BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING TO UPDATE ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH UPDATES INCLUDE EVALUATING POTENTIAL ZONING CODE AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, INCLUDING THE SITE FOR AREAS THAT THE TOWN VIEWS AS IMPROPERLY ZONED IN LIGHT OF CHANGES IN THE TOWN AND REGION. 
          SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTED THE TOWN BOARD REVIEW WHETHER THE USE OF AN ASPHALT PLANT AND THE PROCESSING AND TREATMENT OF LUMINOUS PRODUCTS REMAINS AN APPROPRIATELY PERMITTED USE IN THE TOWN. 
          AND WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD HAS RECEIVED THAT RESOLUTION AND DIRECTS ITS LEGAL COUNSEL TO FURTHER REVIEW THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE USE OF AN ASPHALT PLANT AND THE PROCESSING OF BIN TWO MINUTES PRODUCTS REMAINS AN APPROPRIATE PERMITTED USE IN THE TOWN. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY SUPERVISOR. 
          HOLD SECOND. 
          BY COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL LOREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          AND FINALLY, UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TOWN BOARD'S AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS DATED OCTOBER 24TH, 2022. 
          TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENT SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT. 
          $1,096,639 AND 63 CENTS. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY SUPERVISOR SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HO IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          NO, WE STILL HAVE TWO THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA BE HEARD ON ANYTHING? SAME. 
          NONE. 
          WE WILL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM FINANCE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? NOTHING. 
          REPORT IT. 
          NOTHING TO REPORT CHIEF. 
          UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UH, I WAS TURN ON BAD NOTE. 
          ONE OF OUR RETIREES, DETECTIVE SERGEANT PENNY PRESTON, PASSED AWAY. 
          UM, I  WORKING WITH PENNY, WHO'S A GREAT GUY, BE PROVING THIS. 
          HIS, UH, FUNERAL SERVICE IS GONNA BE THIS FRIDAY MORNING AT 10:00 AM AT BASILICA IN LACK OF WATER. 
          UM, IN NOVEMBER OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO A JOINT JOINT TRAINING WITH THE VILLAGE OF PAMPER POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHOOTER, UH, TRAINING AT  HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH THE VILLAGE AND WORKING 
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TOGETHER. 
          HOPEFULLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA BE PREPARED. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE PARTNERING WITH WEGMANS AND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT THIS SATURDAY AT 10:00 AM AT WEGMANS AND 10:00 AM AT THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          WE'LL BE, UH, INVOLVED IN A DRUG TAKE BACK. 
          SO FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, OLD MEDICINE, DRUGS, NEEDLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY CAN UH, GO TO WAGMAN'S BETWEEN 10 AND TWO OR THE SENIOR CENTER 10 AND TWO AND, UH, GET RID OF THOSE THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          THE TOWN CLERK ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF WE'D BE WILLING TO BRING BACK OUR KIOSKS THAT WE USED TO HAVE FOR DRUG TAKE BACK THAT WE'RE AT, UH, RECORDS. 
          DISPATCH LAWYER. 
          SO WE, I REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT. 
          SO FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO TURN IN THEIR, UH, OLD DRUGS AND PRESCRIPTIONS AND NEEDLES RIGHT AT, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FACEBOOK AND I'M SURE WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THE HAMMER, SUN, UH, WHEN THEY'RE UP AND ACTUALLY READY FOR USE. 
          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MY LAST FINAL PUSH TRUNK OR TREAT IS FRIDAY FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE, UH, PUTTING SOME VEHICLE IN, SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO BE THERE AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK THAT WE GET SITUATED AND SET UP AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A BIG TURNOUT. 
          THANKS. 
          CHIEF ENGINEERING. 
          NOTHING TO REPORT YOU. 
          BG, NOTHING. 
          THE REPORT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOUTH REC SENIOR SERVICES. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE APPOINTMENTS. 
          COUNCIL, COURT CLERK, I'D LIKE TO THANK FOR THE . 
          THE RESIDENTS WILL BE VERY LEGAL. 
          NOTHING TO REPORT AND WE WILL GO TO REPORTS FROM THE BOARD. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO CAME LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND PARTICIPATED IN THE PUBLIC MEETING REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE AND A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          WE HAD A GREAT CROWD THERE ON WEDNESDAY EVENING. 
          UM, MANY GOOD COMMENTS, ADDITIONAL INPUT, UH, AND THAT'S ALL BEING ADDRESSED AND WILL BE INCORPORATED AND ANALYZED BY THE, THE COMMITTEE AND, AND THE BOARD. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED AND PROVIDED THEIR INSIGHTS AND THEIR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTHING TO REPORT. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, AGAIN, PLUG THE TRUNK OR TREATS. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA EVENT. 
          SOCIAL MEDIA EVENT. 
          IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF WEATHER DELAY, WE'RE GONNA BE PUSHING IT TO SUNDAY, BUT I'M ALSO GONNA GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THE CHIEF AS FAR AS PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN PUT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          UM, I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT EVERYBODY PARTICIPATING. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I MENTIONED AT LAST MEETING, UM, I HAD PARTNERED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN BRINGING A NARCAN TRAINING, UM, TO TOWN HALL. 
          WE HAD PARTNERED WITH ERIE COUNTY OPIATE TASK FORCE. 
          UM, A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION IS COMING UP. 
          DIRECTOR CORMAN KING TALKED ABOUT THE DATA THAT SHE LEARNED. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AND DECISIONS WE'VE MADE. 
          UM, THE EPIDEMIC IS REAL. 
          IT'S IMPACTING OUR COMMUNITY LARGELY HERE IN HAMBURG. 
          UM, SO BASED ON THESE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HOST ANOTHER TRAINING. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I THINK IT TIES INTO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT OUR, OUR VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS EXPRESS WITH THEIR INCREASE IN CALL VOLUMES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING THE NUMBERS THAT I'M HEARING FROM THEM IS THEIR CALL VOLUMES HAVE GONE UP BETWEEN 30 AND 50%. 
          AND THERE'S GOTTA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTNERSHIPS, UH, THAT, THAT WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE AND, AND HELP, UH, GET RESOURCES, THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UM, I'LL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING INTO HOSTING ANOTHER TRAINING OF THAT NATURE AND, AND OPENING UP TO PEOPLE. 
          SO JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE, . 
          AND, UM, I JUST WANNA REPORT THAT THE, UM, TO OF HAMBURG HAD A VERY SPECIAL GUEST, UM, THIS AFTERNOON, UH, AT THREE O'CLOCK, UH, MYSELF, MAYOR ROB HEFNER, UH, ANDY PALMER FROM THE BLAZEDALE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, ASSEMBLYMAN JOHN RIVERA SHOWED, UH, UH, SECRETARY OF STATE RODRIGUEZ THE POTENTIAL OF INVESTMENT IN LAKE AVENUE IN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE AND THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          THE VILLAGE AND TOWN HAVE, UH, PUT TOGETHER A JOINT APPLICATION FOR A DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION INITIATIVE ADDRESSING THE LAKE AVENUE CORRIDOR. 
          AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW OFF THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE TO SECRETARY RODRIGUEZ THIS AFTERNOON. 
          AND WE KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED ON THE GRANT APPLICATION. 
          UM, I ALSO, UM, WAS LOOK, CHECKING MY CALENDAR, I KNOW THAT, UH, DR. STOKES HAS AN EVENT COMING UP, UH, FUNDRAISER FOR HIS ORGANIZATION. 
          I COULDN'T FIND IT. 
          I DO PLAN ON BEING THERE. 
          DR. STOKES. 
          TELL US ABOUT IT. 
          [04:10:01]
YEAH, THANKS, SUPERVISOR. 
          UM, WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL FUNDRAISER, UH, BACK IN PERSON IT'S CALLED, AND ROCKS. 
          IT'LL BE HELD AT RESURGENCE BREWING, UH, ON CHICAGO STREET. 
          AND IT'LL BE, UH, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH. 
          WE HAVE DINNER, UH, DRINKS AND MUSIC, UH, AND ALL SORTS OF AMAZING PRIDE THAT'S DONATED BY COMMUNITY BUSINESSES. 
          SOD LIKE TO JOIN US. 
          UM, WE HAVE TICKETS FOR SALE ON OUR WEBSITE AND, UH, IT'D BE, UH, MUCH APPRECIATED, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD SUPPORT AT OUR MET. 
          THANK YOU DR. STOKES. 
          AND IF I COULD ADD ON TO SOMETHING ELSE RELATED TO PEN DIXIE. 
          UM, I HAD THE PLEASURE ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO OF GETTING THE LATEST TOUR OF THE UPDATES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT PEN DIXIE. 
          THE OPERATING ENGINEERS WHO HAVE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS WITH THEIR TIME AND THEIR, UH, EQUIPMENT AND THEIR PERSONNEL, UM, HAVE FINISHED FOR THE SEASON. 
          SO IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          I WENT OVER TO SEE WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. 
          THERE'S GREAT PROGRESS. 
          UM, BEFORE WE KNOW IT, THAT ENTRANCE TO PENN DIXIE WILL BE TRANSITIONED OVER TO JEFFREY BOULEVARD. 
          UH, MR. DR. STOKES ALSO WALKED ME THROUGH WHERE THE NEW FACILITIES WILL BE FOR BATHROOMS FOR VISITOR CENTER, ET CETERA. 
          GREAT PLANS. 
          UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS FACILITY IN OUR TOWN. 
          AS DREW RILEY POINTED OUT LAST WEEK WHEN WE MET WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, HE COME IN AND HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR AREA, OUTSIDE OUR STATE WILL, UM, COME INTO THE AREA. 
          AND THE FIRST THING THEY'LL SAY IS, WHERE'S PEN DIXIE? PEN DIXIE TRULY IS A NATIONAL, NOT JUST EVEN THIS REGION, BUT A NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL ASSET. 
          AND IT'S IN HAMBURG, IT'S IN. 
          AND SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE, I THINK ARE KEY TO THE ONGOING SUCCESS. 
          AND THEY'RE ATTAINING THEIR VISION AND THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. 
          SO I WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE TOUR AND EXCITED ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS THAT ARE COMING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE MATTERS CONCERNING, UM, PERSONNEL AS WELL AS POTENTIAL LITIGATION. 
          BUT I'D ASK THAT WE ADJOURN WITH A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE AND HONOR OF SERGEANT KEN PRESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CURU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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