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STOCKADE FENCE WHERE THE BOARDS MEET TO HELP BLOCK SOUND. 
          ALTHOUGH IN THE REZONING CONDITIONS, IT SAYS IT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, STOPPING TRESPASSING. 
          SO WITH THE CONDITIONS, THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN NOW, IT COULD CERTAINLY BE A CHAIN LENGTH FENCE, WHICH WOULD LIMIT, UH, TRESPASSING AND DO NOTHING FOR NOISE. 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES. 
          BUT LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIX FOOT STOCKADE FENCE. 
          UM, THAT ON PAGE 26 SHOWS YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET TO 68.1 DECIBELS IN THE FRONT YARD, SIX AND IN THE BACKYARD, BOTH OF THOSE AREAS, 68.1, AND THIS IS A 70. 
          IF YOU GET TO 70 DECIBEL LEVELS, UM, THAT'S LIKE HAVING A VACUUM CLEANER INSIDE, 10 FEET AWAY FROM YOU, JUST TO GIVE YOU A PARAMETER THAT'S IN THE NOISE REPORT TOO. 
          68, IT'S, IT'S MAJOR TRAFFIC IS WHAT ANOTHER COMPARABLE WOULD BE. 
          OKAY. 
          MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE DEC, THEY LOOK AT YOUR AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL AND THEN THE IMPACT THAT COMES FROM THE CHANGE. 
          AND SINCE OUR LEVELS IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE VAN AZOS PROPERTY ARE 41 TO 44, 68 IS MORE THAN 20 IN EXCESS, 24 IN EXCESS. 
          AND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY TO THE AMBIENT LEVEL IS 47. 
          SO YOU GOT A 21 DECIMAL INCREASE. 
          REMEMBER ON PAGE TWO OF THE NOISE REPORT, ANYTHING OVER 20 DECIBEL CHANGE IS CATEGORIZED BY THE DC AS INTOLERABLE. 
          SO THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IN YOUR, IN YOUR CONDITIONS, IF THE EVENT CAN STILL OCCUR OUTSIDE AND THERE COULD BE 75 PEOPLE EVEN WITHOUT LIVE MUSIC, THIS IS A SERIOUS IMPACT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          AND SO IT'S WHAT WE'RE DECIDING WHEN WE DO, UH, ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS, IS THERE ARE THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          AND WITH THE ONLY SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION ADDRESSING A SCENARIO QUITE SIMILAR TO THE ONE LAID OUT ON THE CONDITIONS SHOWING AN INTOLERABLE IMPACT, I I JUST THINK IT'D BE, IT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS TO MAKE THE FINDING TO, TO PASS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION WITH THE CONDITIONS AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THE LAST THING, BELIEVE ME, THIS ISN'T A THREAT. 
          THE LAST THING MY CLIENTS WANNA DO IS PAY FOR ME TO GO CHALLENGE IT IN COURT AND THEN COME BACK HERE AND DO THIS AGAIN THE RIGHT WAY. 
          I, I'M GONNA SAY IT NOW AND I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN LATER. 
          THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS IS TO FIND, MAKE A POSITIVE DECLARATION, MOVE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY PHASE, BECAUSE THAT WAY WE WON'T DEAL WITH JUST ONE EXPERT REPORT, FIVE OR SIX MODELS. 
          WE COULD FIND OUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN DIFFERENT PLACES, HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. 
          WE COULD DO MODELING BASED UPON ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED, AND IT COULD BE DONE CAREFULLY AND PROPERLY ONE TIME RATHER THAN PUSHING THIS THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN THEY COME BACK HERE AGAIN. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I, THE, THE NOISE REPORT DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS TO WORK FROM. 
          IF WE GO TO PAGE 27 OF THE EXPERT REPORT AND THE UNDERSTAND THE TEXT OF THE EXPERT REPORT GIVES US A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          IT, IT EXPLAINS THESE THINGS A LITTLE BETTER. 
          BUT HE WAS PROPOSING OUR EXPERT WAS SAYING A FOUR FOOT, UM, BEAM. 
          SO HE IS PICTURING YOU A, A, UH, DIRT PILED UP WITH GRASS PACK PLANT ON IT, RIGHT? AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, A SIX FOOT STOCKADE WOODEN FENCE. 
          UM, IT DEFINITELY DECREASES THE SOUND, BUT YOU'RE STILL HITTING DECIBEL LEVELS OR 60 TO TWO TO 64. 
          IT'S JUST SO CLOSE IN PROXIMITY. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE 75 PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE AT THE PATIO GARDEN, WHAT OUR EXPERT SAID WAS EITHER HAVE ALL THE EVENTS INSIDE THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T HAVE A WEDDING CEREMONY UNDER A SMALL COVER OUTSIDE OR ON THE BEACH, BUT ONCE THE PARTY STARTS, IT'S IN THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S A BIG POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS. UM, OR REPOSITION THE PARKING LOT AND MOVE WHEREVER'S. 
          IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ON DOOR EVENT ACTIVITY WITHOUT MUSIC, IT'S MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          PLUS THE PATIO BAR, THE WAY THEY HAVE IT POSITIONED NOW IS SO RIGHT ON TOP OF THE . 
          YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BE THERE AND SIT IN HER, HER LITTLE PORCH OUTSIDE HER KITCHEN TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOULD BE SO CLOSE. 
          YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S CONVERSATION IF IT'S SO CLOSE. 
          SO THE PATIO BAR, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MOBILE WINE UNIT, A TRUCK THAT YOU CAN GET WINE FROM, 
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I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE PUT A LOT OF PLACES. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUT RIGHT THERE. 
          SO OUR EXPERT SAID, NOISE EXPERT SAID, THAT SHOULD BE MOVED TO PERHAPS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND OR, OR SHOULD BE ENCIRCLED WITH TWO WALLS AND A PARTIAL ROOF COVERING TO BLOCK SOUND COMING FROM THAT. 
          AND, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT PRESENTLY ADDRESSED, UM, IN THE CONDITIONS TO THE REZONING AS, AS PRESENTLY ADDRESSED. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING QUESTIONS AT THE END, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          SO I'M HAPPY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S OTHER NOISE PARTS OF THE STUDY THAT, THAT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          ONE OF 'EM IS CARS DRIVING ON GRAVEL GRAVE. 
          NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, NOBODY SEEMS TO BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT, BUT FRANKLY, THE NOISE EXPERT TALKS ABOUT JUST HOW LOUD THAT IS. 
          AND IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY EASY SOLUTION BECAUSE FRANKLY, IF I WAS HAVING A NICE EVENT CENTER, I'D PROBABLY WANT THE PARKING LOT PAVED ANYWAY. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE BRIDE AND GROOMS WANT TO GET OUT WITH ALL DUST RISING FROM THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT. 
          SO THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE CONDITION TO HAVE THE PARKING LOT PAVED. 
          UM, I PROPOSED THAT, AND I TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE PATIO. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT, UM, FRANKLY DOES. 
          NONE OF THIS CHANGES FROM MY POSITION, OUR POSITION, THAT THIS SHOULD BE A POSITIVE FINDING OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY DONE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA GO THIS CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDING THESE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THE TRAFFIC, THE, THE SECRET STATEMENTS SIMPLY SAY THERE'S NO, NO IMPACT FROM TRAFFIC. 
          BUT I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE RECORD THAT THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT FINDING. 
          WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE QUIET COUNTRY ROADS AND, UM, THEY'RE NOT WIDE, THEY'RE NOT BIG. 
          AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EVENT WITH 40, 50 CARS SHOWING UP APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME AND LEAVING SIMILAR TIMES, UM, WITHOUT ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AT ALL. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D MAKE IT FIND THAT THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          UM, THE LIGHT IMPACT, I, I THINK THAT THE BOARD IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH SOME OF THE CONDITIONS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE PRECISELY DONE. 
          HEAD HEADLIGHTS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE SOME BLOCKING FENCING AROUND THE PARKING LOT FOR HEADLIGHTS, UM, AND, UH, FENCING TO PROTECT, UM, BLOCKING OF LIGHTS BOTH TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE BEACH. 
          FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, I NOTICED THAT THE PROPOSED FINDING FOR THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS NOT CALLED A CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF THAT UNDER AND SIX N-Y-C-R-R, UM, SECTION 6 1 7, AND ALL THOSE SUB PARAGRAPHS UNDER IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS YOU'VE INCORPORATED THE CONDITIONS OF THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION ON THE REZONING INTO THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          AND, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE IT FROM THE WAY LAWYERS OR JUDGES LOOK AT IT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA SAY, SO AS A CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION, AND PROCEDURALLY, THAT PUTS YOU IN A, IN, IN SOME DIFFICULT SITUATIONS BECAUSE IF A, FOR A CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION TO BE FOUND, THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE DONE A FULL FORM, UM, SEEKER FORM, AND IT DID NOT, IT ONLY DID A SIMPLE SEEKER FORM. 
          THERE SHOULD ALSO BE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON ANY CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER THOSE REGULATIONS WITH PERMISSION. 
          SURE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE FOR EVERYBODY . 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I'LL APOLOGIZE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, WORKING WITH MY CLIENTS, THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL FOR RETREAT . 
          UH, THIS 
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IS PRESENTED WITHOUT WAIVER OF OUR RIGHTS TO CHALLENGE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS BY THE BOARD. 
          UM, BUT ADMITTEDLY, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE OUR CLIENTS NOT TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON THIS IF THEY WERE TO GET THESE. 
          BUT AGAIN, I CAN'T MAKE THAT REPRESENTATION OR PROMISE TO YOU, AND THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT. 
          UM, NOR DO I BELIEVE THAT MAKING THESE CHANGES WOULD TAKE THE MANNER OUT OF THE PROCEDURAL PROBLEM IS IN THIS, THAT'S, THAT IT HAS RIGHT NOW WITH THE CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          NOR DO I THINK THAT IT MAKES ALL OF THE DECISIONS OF THE BOARD PROPER UNDER THE LAW, BUT THEY WOULD HELP, IT WOULD BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          SO I SHOWED MY PROPOSED CHANGES ON MY TRACK CHANGES, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S CHANGED, THE, UH, UH, BLUE AND WHERE I'VE CROSSED THINGS OUT, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM, THE PARAGRAPH NUMBERS REPORT TO THE ONES THAT ARE IN YOUR FINDINGS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE BARRIER SHOULD JUST BE TO DISCOURAGE TRESPASSING. 
          IT SHOULD ALSO MITIGATE NOISE. 
          WHAT I DESCRIBED IS A PORTION OF IT. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE SANDY AREA BY THE BEACH, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE, UM, THAN A BURN. 
          YOU CAN'T REALLY DO A BERM IN THE SAND ANYWAY. 
          AND, OR FRANKLY, A SIX, A SIX FOOT, UH, STACK, EIGHT FENCE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THERE. 
          BUT IT WOULDN'T BE HARD FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO FIGURE OUT THE PROPER AREA BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, UH, BUILDING, STRETCHING BACK TO JUST BEHIND THE BACK OF THE DALE'S HOUSE FOR A FOUR FOOT BEAM AND WOODEN STOCKADE FENCE TO MITIGATE NOISE. 
          I TOOK OUT EVERYTHING ON SEVEN BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IDEA THAT YOU'RE LIMITED TO 75 PEOPLE IS LIMITED BY THE PARKING LOT, UH, SHOWN ON THE SITE PLANET. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S PRETTY EASY TO, TO INCREASE THE PARKING LOT AND THEN ARGUE THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN 75 PEOPLE. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT THESE 75 PEOPLE IS A SOLELY A PARKING ISSUE OR REALLY ONLY A TRAFFIC ISSUE. 
          I THINK IT'S A NOISE ISSUE. 
          AND SO IT SHOULD JUST BE LIMITED TO 75 PEOPLE. 
          I PROPOSE THAT THE PARKING LOT BE PAVED, UM, ON NUMBER NINE, ALL I DID WAS DEFINE IT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY WHAT AMPLIFIED MUSIC IS. 
          YES. 
          ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE LIMIT OF 75 PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST SIMPLY CROSSED OFF HERE? YEAH, I, I ADDRESSED 75 PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          IN ANOTHER PORTION OF YOUR FINDINGS, RIGHT? YOU LIMIT IT TO 75 PEOPLE. 
          YOU MAKE IT VERY CLEAR YOU LIMITED IT TO 75 PEOPLE. 
          IT'S IN THIS ONE WHERE THAT 75 NUMBER STARTS TO GET AMBIGUOUS TO ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO NOW BE TIED TO PARKING. 
          SO I GOTCHA. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER SPOT WHERE I, I DON'T, I CAN QUOTE ALL OF YOUR FINDINGS THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WE LIMITED 75 PEOPLE. 
          UH, WE CHANGED IT TO 10:00 PM FOR TIME, UH, FOR NOISE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I PUT PARKING LOT SHIELDING WOULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, ON THE LIGHTING ISSUE. 
          SO WE'RE PROTECTED AGAINST AUTOMOBILE HEADLIGHTS. 
          UM, AND THEN I ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL ONES. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT AUTOMOBILE HEADLIGHTS AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, BUT I'M, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, AUTOMOBILE LIGHTS AND, AND THE BEACH. 
          I GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF CLIENTS, . 
          THAT WAS ONE CONCERN FOR SURE, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEACHES ARE BEAUTIFUL AND WE DON'T, WE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEM UNDER THE MOONLIGHT. 
          UM, AND HAVING A LOT OF LIGHTS DOWN THERE CAN, CAN, CAN DISTURB PEOPLE'S PLEASURE AND ENJOYMENT. 
          PEOPLE DO WALK THOSE BEACHES. 
          SO ADDITIONAL CONCERNS, WE'RE ASKING FOR SECURITY GUARDS TO PIVOT, TRESPASSING PROBLEM WITH JUST A CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO WITH THE CHAINLINK FENCES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WATER. 
          AND, UM, THE, THE REALITY IS, IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE DO WALK THE BEACH AND NOBODY STOPS THEM, UM, FROM WALKING THEM. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A MATTER OF LAW OF CUSTOM, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN'T WALK THE BEACH OF SAYING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A SECURITY PERSON, SO THAT IF DRUNK PEOPLE GET DOWN THERE AND THEY'RE NOISY AND LOUD AND, AND LITTERING THAT, THAT'S CONTROLLED AND STOPPED. 
          AND THERE'S OF COURSE, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCK WALKING THE BEACH AND THEN COMING UP INTO NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD JUST THROUGH THE RUMOR MILL THAT THAT, THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF ITS EGRESS AND EXIT. 
          WE'VE RAISED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DANGEROUSNESS OF THE CURRENT EMERGENCY EXIT, WHICH 
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MIGHT BE FINE FOR A WAREHOUSE THAT HAS FIVE EMPLOYEES, BUT NOT SO MUCH WHEN YOU HAVE 75 GUESTS THERE. 
          UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, DEPENDING ON WHO'S, UH, SURVEY'S BEING USED, IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS TWO FEET DISTANCE, UH, TO THE VAN AL PROPERTY. 
          HONESTLY, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT WALK ON THEIR PROPERTY IN EMERGENCY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEALL AND END ALL. 
          I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT VERY FLAT THERE, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ROOM BETWEEN WHERE THE TELEPHONE POLE IS AND THE DOOR TO GET A WHEELCHAIR THROUGH OR VERY MUCH THROUGH. 
          SO WE HAVE HEARD THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, MOVING THE DOOR, SEALING UP THAT ONE DOOR THERE, HAVING A DIFFERENT EMERGENCY EXIT, UM, AND PERHAPS SOUNDPROOFING. 
          SO I PUT THE GOSSIP INTO A CONDITION THAT WILL CLOSE UP THAT SALSA DOOR. 
          ANY, ALL WINDOWS WILL BE ELIMINATED. 
          SOUNDPROOFING WILL BE ADDED TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, NEXT ONE I SAY THERE SHOULD BE NO OUTDOOR PATIO BAR, OR AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE ACCOMMODATING, UM, I SAY OR OTHER OUTSIDE SERVICE OF ALCOHOL. 
          I THINK HAVING THE EVENTS OUTSIDE IS A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT YOU CAN HAVE WEDDINGS OUTSIDE. 
          YOU COULD HAVE CERTAIN SMALL EVENTS, BUT ONCE YOU'RE DEALING WITH A PARTY WITH ALCOHOL, IT SHOULD BE INSIDE. 
          UM, OR IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT PROPOSED OUTDOOR PREPARED TO DO, DO WHAT OUR EXPERT SAID, WHAT THE NOISE EXPERTS SAID, PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR WALL IT IN AND PUT A PARTIAL CEILING ON IT. 
          UM, OUR CLIENTS DON'T WANT TENTS, AND THIS IS COMING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THEIR RESEARCH THAT THEY'VE DONE ON OTHER FACILITIES. 
          AND, UM, THEY'RE WORRIED THAT PARKING FACILITIES WILL BE GOT AROUND BY HAVING PEOPLE BUST IN FROM ANOTHER PARKING LOT. 
          AND YOU'LL HAVE A LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, UM, UNDER TENTS AND YOUR RECEPTION, ESSENTIALLY YOUR PARTY WILL BE OUTSIDE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF A RECURRING THEME HERE, IS HAVE THE PARTY HAVE THE ALCOHOL, UH, ENJOYABLE PARTIES INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          I HEAR DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONTROL NOISE. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO A QUIET WEDDING. 
          UNDERSTAND , IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE THING. 
          BUT IF THE CEREMONY IS OUTSIDE AND, UM, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO WALK AROUND AND SEE THE LAKE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ALCOHOL BEING SERVED INSIDE. 
          THE MUSIC BEING INSIDE, MOST OF THE PARTY WILL END UP, ESPECIALLY BY THE NIGHTFALL INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU HAVE A TENT THAT BRINGS THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE, IF THERE'S ALCOHOL BEING SERVED THERE, BRINGS PEOPLE OUTSIDE, AND YOU'RE INTO THAT SCENARIO THAT OUR EXPERT WAS SAYING CREATES INTOLERABLE NOISE LEVELS, THAT'S MY POSITION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, I DO HAVE ONE MORE THOUGHT TOO, AND THAT'S THAT WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE VOTE. 
          UM, IT'S FINE, BUT THE RECORD WAS CLOSED IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MEETING. 
          SO WHILE PHILLIPS LE WANTS TO SUBMIT NEW THINGS, UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR THE NOISE STUDY. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AT THE STAGE OF FINDING AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, AND THEN MOVING ON TO, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY, WHICH WILL THEN OPEN THE DOOR FOR LOTS OF INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED, ADDITIONAL NOISE STUDIES, ADDITIONAL EXAMINATIONS. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED OUR, WORKED HARD TO MEET THE DEADLINES AND TO SUBMIT THE INFORMATION TO THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND I DON'T REALLY WANNA START AGAIN AND STILL BE IN THE SAME PLACE. 
          I'M SORRY, WHICH DEADLINES BY THE BOARD. 
          WE, WE MET THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TIMEFRAME AND PUT ALL OUR MATERIALS IN, AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE REOPENED. 
          I DO THINK THAT THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD'VE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION WORK TO A, A REALLY GOOD RESOLUTION. 
          ONE THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THINGS THAT PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE IMPACTS OF WHAT'S TO SAY. 
          SO, ASIDE FROM A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? NO, NO OTHER DEADLINES WERE, WERE CREATED BY, BY THIS BOARD. 
          UH, AM AM I UNDERSTANDING YOUR CORRECTION? YOUR, YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK I SHOULD USE THE WORD DEADLINE. 
          I JUST MEAN THAT WE GOT OUR SUBMISSIONS IN BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BEFORE THE BOARD CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOKE? OKAY. 
          IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT SHE HAS ANY, UM, ANYTHING FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT OR YOU GUYS? I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY. 
          UM, 
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SO I THINK THAT THE CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED FROM MR. ANA RAISED A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          UM, HE ALSO RAISED SOME POINTS TONIGHT. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO ADDRESSING 'EM. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAS BROUGHT UP WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONS WE ABSOLUTELY WANNA ADDRESS. 
          I DO THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF EFFORTS THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. 
          NOT ALL OF 'EM HAVE BEEN CAPTURED IN THE RECORD. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BOTH THE NEIGHBORS, THE PUBLIC, UM, AND THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THE STEPS THEY HAVE TAKEN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. 
          UH, THAT ALSO GETS TO THE POINT OF THE CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          SO YES, IF YOU WERE TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DE DECLARATION THAT'S SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED, IT WAS CONDITIONED ON CERTAIN THINGS, THAT IS A CONDITIONAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF PROJECT DESIGN, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND, UH, DEVELOPED DURING THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS, WE WOULD INCORPORATE THOSE RIGHT INTO THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY. 
          SO IT'S NOT A CONDITION ON THE APPROVAL, IT IS THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD INTEND TO DO WITH FOLLOW UP CORRESPONDENCE IS ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND OFFER UP ALL THE, UH, UPDATES TO THE PROJECT THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MASON? JUST A CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, DREW, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO WORK WITH GETTING THE EXACT, UH, AMENDMENTS AND FINALIZATION WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND, AND THEIR INTERESTED PARTIES? RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHY THE BOARD PUT OUT THE RESOLUTION CONDITIONS. 
          THE, THE NEIGHBORS WANNA LOOK AT THAT AND COMMENT ON IT, WHICH THEY HAVE VERY ELOQUENTLY. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT ALSO WANTS TO COMMENT ON IT. 
          THEY, THEY COULD BUILD UPON IT, THOSE, THOSE CONDITIONS, ET CETERA. 
          WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS PROJECT FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS. 
          SO YES, I'M, I'M, I'M ANXIOUS ANXIOUSLY AWAITING, UH, TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED TONIGHT. 
          MOST OF ITS WAS ON THE RECORD ALREADY. 
          AND THEN ANY NEW INFORMATION BASED UPON THE DRAFT CONDITIONS, WE PUT THOSE DRAFT CONDITIONS TOGETHER KNOWING THAT WE WERE GONNA GET INPUT FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND FROM OTHERS. 
          THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO IT WASN'T ALL SUDDEN THEY WE'RE ACTIVE ON THIS. 
          UM, I REALIZE THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR THE ITEM TO BE TABLED. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO COMMENT ON THE CONDITIONS ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO IT. 
          UM, YEAH, AND KEEP IN MIND TOO, UH, IF THIS WAS REZONED, IT THEN GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SITE PLAN HAS INCORPORATED THOSE CONDITIONS OF YOUR REZONING. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE DOING A CONDITIONAL REZONING, COMMON TOOL, PLACING CONDITIONS ON THERE. 
          WE HAD NO INTENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE YET, UM, NEIGHBOR'S ATTORNEY OF DOING A CONDITION BANK DECK, 40 YEARS OF DOING SEEKER MY TRAINING. 
          I AVOID CONDITIONED NEX LIKE THE PLAGUE. 
          I DO NOT DO THEM. 
          WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND AGAINST THEM AND ALL THE ATTORNEYS WHO FOR NEW YORK, FOR THE DEC RECOMMEND AGAINST DOING CONDITIONED NEX. 
          SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT YOU, THAT SHOWS THAT IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO THOSE ISSUES MUST, MUST BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE, OF THE RETELLING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT CONDITIONING ON THOSE HAPPENING. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE DONE THAT WAY. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE APPROVED THAT WAY. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS, AND WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS IN THE TOWN, MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF CONDITIONS IS HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE EN ENFORCED AND WHO ARE ENFORCING THOSE THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY IT REFERENCED THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          ONLY BECAUSE TRYING TO JUST SAY YOU'RE LIMITED TO 75 PEOPLE BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. 
          SOMEONE GOES OUT THERE, COUNTS PEOPLE AND WHATEVER. 
          WE TRY TO CONTROL IT BY THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING OR THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT, ET CETERA, TO TRY LIMIT THAT. 
          WE ALSO, SOME OF YOU WHO LIVED THROUGH IT, SOME OF YOU DIDN'T. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE AREA THE PREVIOUS TOWN BOARDS HAVE DEALT WITH WHEN THE DOCK OF THE BAY WAS OPEN AND THE EVENTS THAT WERE RUN THERE ALL THE TIME AND THE PROBLEMS THAT OCCURRED WERE NOT IGNORING THE FACT THAT THERE WERE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST AT THE DOCK OF THE BAY. 
          THIS FACILITY WOULD BE NEW. 
          UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO, FROM A PLANNER'S PERSPECTIVE, NOT GETTING, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S BEST FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT AREA'S ALWAYS BEEN PROBLEMATIC. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE RESIDENTS REALIZE THOSE SIX PROPERTIES WERE ZONED INDUSTRIAL 25, 30 YEARS AGO. 
          WE HAD TO REZONE THEM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET MORTGAGES ON THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING REJECTED BY THE BANKS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CONFORMING USES. 
          WE TOOK THAT, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL, IN FACT, I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM THE PEOPLE FROM THE BUSINESSES NORTH OF HERE, THE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE ALL AROUND THE AREA SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REZONE OUR PROPERTIES THEN ARE YOU? AND I SAID, NO, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOGICAL TRANSITION BETWEEN THESE AREAS. 
          BUT IN DOING THAT LOGICAL TRANSITIONS, IF THE PROBLEM IS 
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COMING UP WITH A PROJECT THAT MAKES SENSE AND COULD BE ENFORCED AND WILL NOT CREATE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS, LIKE WE HAD AT THE DOCK OF THE BAY, DOCK OF THE BAY FOR YEARS, EVERY TIME THEY HAD AN EVENT, THERE WERE PEOPLE AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING COMPLAINING ABOUT THE EVENT THAT OCCURRED THERE. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO PUT SOME REASONABLE CONTROL. 
          SO THINK ABOUT IT, THAT THERE ARE PHYSICAL THINGS WE CAN DO AND, AND THERE ARE ENFORCEABLE THINGS THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN THERE. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS FENCING DOWN TO DOWN TO THE BEACH WHERE DEC IS, THAT YOU CANNOT PUT FENCES ALONG ON THE BEACH. 
          WE CAN GO BACK AS FAR AS WHERE, WHERE THE DUNE STARTS AND WHATEVER, BUT WE CAN'T PUT FENCES FURTHER BACK THERE. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK ON ANYTHING TO RESOLVE. 
          NO, WE UNDERSTAND NOISE WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, DEALING WITH. 
          UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE NEARNESS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN FROM NOISE. 
          WE TRY TO TAKE THE GUIDANCE OF THE TOWN REGULATES NOISE FROM 11:00 PM ON. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GONNA CALL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE, IT'S 11 O'CLOCK OR AFTERWARDS THAT YOU GET A COMPLAINT. 
          OTHERWISE, 70 DECIBELS, 60 DECIBELS OR WHATEVER, SOMEONE RUNNING THEIR LAWNMOWER, THEY CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. 
          IT IS BASICALLY AFTER 11 O'CLOCK IS WHEN THE TOWN WILL RECEIVE NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT NOISE. 
          THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK CLOCK CLOSURE TIME. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE 60 TO 70 DECALS, JUST AS THEY HAVE MENTIONED WITH PEOPLE BEING OUTSIDE AT, AT THE PLACE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE NOISE LEVEL OF ME TALKING LOUDLY. 
          SO IT IS THE 70 DECALS. 
          SO, UM, SO, SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR TOWN BOARD'S INPUT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT WE GOT. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW ALL THOSE CONDITIONS AND SUGGEST OTHERS THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, TO PROVIDE AND, AND ENFORCE, UH, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ENFORCE. 
          THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          ENFORCEMENT. 
          I KEEP PEOPLE, NO ONE'S GONNA PARK ON THE ROAD OUT THERE, CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON THAT ROAD. 
          THAT WAS A PROBLEM OCCURRED YEARS AGO. 
          SOMEHOW WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ME? THAT'S, IT'S, IT WAS BEEN A LONG, IT'S BEEN SINCE THE END OF LAST YEAR WAS THE, WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY STARTED, THAT PLANNING BOARD DEALT WITH IT FOR FIVE MONTHS. 
          THEY'VE HAD PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT THEY TRY TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN. 
          THEIRS IS A REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. 
          IT'S STILL YOUR DECISION. 
          UH, WE TRY TO GET, GENERATE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE RECORD. 
          IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE. 
          DREW, IF WE WERE TO GRANT THE REONE, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY, OTHER THAN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT ENTAIL? AND IF ANY CHANGES ARE ABLE NOT ABLE TO BE MADE AT THAT POINT, HOW'S THAT PROCESS WORK? EX EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THE CONDITIONAL REZONING THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THAT UNDERSTAND THE MU ONE DISTRICT IS MORE A NEWER, NOT STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT ANYMORE. 
          IT HAS TO BE APPROVED WITH A PLAN. 
          AND THE USES ARE THE APPROVED. 
          IT'S LIKE A PUD, ALMOST LIKE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S A PLANNED DISTRICT. 
          SO WE HAVE LATER WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY REZONING PROPERTY, THEN WE WANT U ONE. 
          THOSE CAN'T PROCEED WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE, HERE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO WHATEVER YOU INCLUDE AS THE ALLOWED USES, HOW THE, HOW THE THING IS LAID OUT. 
          IF WE WANT TO EXCLUDE CERTAIN AREAS, THAT WILL BE THE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          IF THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WATCH THE CHAGRIN OF THE APPLICANT. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND GO THROUGH THIS ARDUOUS PROCESS AGAIN. 
          SO KEEP IN MIND, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU REZONE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHY WE REJECT IT LIKE THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR OTHER THINGS TO BE DONE HERE, IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN CHECKBOOK. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN THOSE ALLOWED USES CAN BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS NOT THE CASE. 
          WE WILL DETERMINE THROUGH THIS REZONING EXACTLY WHAT THE ALLOWED USES ARE AND CONFIGURATION OF THOSE ALLOWED USES ON THAT SITE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE IMPORTANT WAY OF CONTROLLING THE FUTURE OF THE SITE, BUT ALSO THE EXISTING, YOU'RE GONNA PROVE WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S ALLOWED WHERE ON THAT SITE. 
          OKAY, SO LET'S TAKE IT JUST ONE STEP FURTHER. 
          IN TERMS OF SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE TO KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE LAW TO, IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, MAKE THAT, UH, I THINK THAT WHEN IT GOES TO THE SITE, IF IF IT WAS TO BE PROVEN AND GO BACK, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ADDRESSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, THEN, BUT IF IT'S NOT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE. 
          SO WE COULD OF DO THAT. 
          YOUR CONDITIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PARKING IS, THE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS AND WHATEVER THE SITE PLAN THEN HAS THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVED HAS TO SHOW THOSE THINGS. 
          AND IT HAS TO SHOW IN A WAY THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAN ENFORCE FORCE THOSE ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS THAT I HAVE PLENTY BOARDS ALL OVER THE PLACE, ALWAYS DO CONDITIONS. 
          AND I LOOK AT 'EM AND GO, WHO'S ENFORCING THOSE CONDITIONS? HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE ENFORCED? SO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE DOING CONDITIONS ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ENFORCED AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE GONNA BE MET. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T BE CALLING POLICE ALL THE TIME. 
          POLICE DON'T ENFORCE 
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ZONING. 
          UH, SO IT'S GONNA BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR ZONING CODE ISSUE. 
          A LOT OF TIMES, UH, POLICE WILL BE CALLED FOR NOISE AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A STANDARD THING, BUT IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY, 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          MY QUESTION IS THE SITE PLAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE A SITE PLAN UNLESS ALL THE EMERGENCY RULES AND REGULATIONS AND, AND, UH, VARIANTS OR, OR, UH, AND AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S THAT IMPORTANT NOTE THAT THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING DOING A CONDITIONAL SECRET. 
          I'M NOT BASING IT ON SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE PLAN HAS TO BE, AND THE AGREEMENT HAS TO BE THAT THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT WHEN THEY GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, ALL THE PLANNING BOARD'S DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DOWN ENGINEER BACK THERE, THE ENGINEERING WORKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE WHAT? I DUNNO IF I ANSWERED WELL. 
          SO ARE THEY ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE RULES, REGULATIONS FOR SAFETY? YES. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THOSE CONDITIONS ARE ABOUT LIGHTING. 
          THAT THE LIGHTING IS SHOWN THE WAY AND THAT THE PLANS ARE APPROVED, THAT THE LIGHTS ARE OF TURN OUT OFF A CERTAIN TIME OF NIGHT. 
          I'VE SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE LIGHTS THAT GO OFF NOW AT NIGHT AND WHATEVER, HAVE THEM DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND SHIELD IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE ISSUE, DIFFICULT ISSUE. 
          LIKE I SAID, THE FENCING IS REALLY NOT ABOUT NOISE ISSUES ABOUT CONTROLLING ACCESS ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          THE NOISE IS THE NOISE. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE NOISE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING ACCESS A NOISE BARRIER. 
          AND ALSO SOME OF THE LARGER ACTIVITIES BEING INSIDE. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC. 
          THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND OUTDOOR THINGS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CONTROL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, WHETHER THEY HAVE THE EVENT. 
          I'VE BEEN TO THREE OUTDOOR WEDDINGS IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AND THEY ALWAYS HEAR INSIDE, BUT PEOPLE GO OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE OUTSIDE. 
          AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE SITE. 
          THERE'S NO WAY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, IF THEY GO TO A WEDDING AT THIS LOCATION, THAT THEY'RE GONNA STAND IN A BUILDING. 
          WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE OUTSIDE, JOIN THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO IT'S HOW CONTROL THOSE ACTIVITIES OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON OUTSIDE. 
          PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE HERE. 
          THEY DO AN EVENT AND IT COULD BE A DAY WEDDING. 
          I'M GONNA TO A DAY WEDDING LIKE LATER ON, YOU KNOW, SO IT COULD BE DURING THE DAY, DREW. 
          SO THIS PROJECT, THE SITE PLAN IS GONNA BE FOCUSED ON THE PARKING LOT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PART OF THE FACIL, THE, THE FOOTPRINT THAT'S CHANGING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA PUT LANDSCAPING AND LANDSCAPING IS ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT THING. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE FENCING LOCATION, WALKABILITY TO THE SITE, HOW WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU LAY OUT THAT SITE IS GONNA ENCOURAGE, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE PHYSICAL BUILDING ITSELF BECAUSE THE PHYSICAL BUILDING ITSELF ISN'T BEING ALTERED IN ANY WAY OR CHANGED. 
          IT'S JUST THE PARKING LOT. 
          WELL, THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          AND I THINK GENERAL RAISED IT, THERE'S BEEN CONCERN ABOUT ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE TYPE OF USE HERE, I'M TALKING LIKE A BUILDING INSPECTOR, WE HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTORS HERE, THE USE OF THE BUILDING CHANGES THE SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING CODE CHANGE FOR FIRE, ACCESSING, ET CETERA. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW THAT BUILDING PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT MEETS THOSE COMPONENTS OF THAT USE FOR ACCESSING. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT COVERED BY SITE PLAN, THAT'S COVERED BY THE BUILDINGS. 
          WELL, RIGHT? WELL IT'S DURING SITE PLAN. 
          SITE PLAN. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN THEY'LL HAVE PLANS ISSUED. 
          I WANNA KNOW, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG IMPACT. 
          I WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S STILL GONNA BE, I DOUBT THERE'S GONNA BE AN ENTRANCE OFF THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING, WHETHER YOU READ ONE SURVEY OR THE OTHER. 
          IT'S TWO TO FOUR FEET. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO PUT ANY ACCESS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE THERE, I THINK THE ACCESS HAS TO BE MOVED ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE FINALLY RESOLVED. 
          ALSO, HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANTS ARE LOOKING AT THAT ON ONE PLAN. 
          IT DID SHOW THAT THERE WAS STILL AN ACCESS OF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING OR WAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. 
          VERY DIFFICULT. 
          ARE YOU ASKING FOR ALL THREE ITEMS TO BE TABLED TONIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST SEEKING CLARITY ON THAT. 
          AND IN YOUR PACKETS TONIGHT, THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION ANYBODY CAN FOIL. 
          I GET THAT THE PACKETS ARE JUST A SUMMARY OF HOW WE GOT TO TODAY, UH, WHAT HAS HAPPENED. 
          AND THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST COPIES OF THE MU ONE DISTRICT, WHICH THEY HAD TO BRING UP THE NEW WEBSITE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS THE MU ONE DISTRICT. 
          SO IT GOT LOST IN THE, IT'S GOTTA BE SHOWN ON THE, ON THE TOWN WEB. 
          IS IT UP THERE NOW? IT'S BURIED, IT'S FOUND. 
          I DIDN'T FIND IT TODAY. 
          I I THOUGHT IT WAS A NEW LOCATION FOR IT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COPY OF THAT IN THERE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S JUST SOME DRAWINGS IN THERE, ET CETERA TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED. 
          AND A COPY OF THE RESOLUTIONS FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON THE CONDITIONS I THOUGHT PAT WAS TONIGHT ABOUT IS COMMENTING ON THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE PLACED ON THOSE. 
          I TOLD THE SUPERVISOR BY, I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GONNA ACT ON THIS TONIGHT. 
          WE WANTED TO GET IT BEFORE YOU AND OUT TO THE PUBLIC SO YOU EVERYBODY COULD SEE THAT, UM, THAT THERE WAS SOME PROPOSAL PUT IN PLACE, WHICH WE USED THE CONDITIONS BASED UPON THE PLANNING BOARD'S 
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RECOMMENDATION OF BUILDING UPON THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          BY THE WAY, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTE WAS NOT UNANIMOUS TO RECOMME. 
          IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS. 
          IT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSS. 
          IT WAS A VERY LITTLE, PLEASE READ THE SEVEN PAGES OF THE NIGHT. 
          THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          THERE WERE SOME VERY STRONG CONCERNS BY SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AGAIN, I REMINDED THEM MORE WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THE GATHERING OF INFORMATION FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          I ALWAYS SAY THAT TO ALL MY PLANNING BOARDS, IS YOUR BIGGEST JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          RIGHT. 
          DREW, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? I KNOW THERE WAS A FEW OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY, AT WHAT POINT IN THIS PROCESS THEY WOULD BE ADDRESSED ISSUES, UM, CONCERNING DRAINAGE AND SEWAGE AND WHAT? AND SEWAGE. 
          WELL, SEWAGE, THE LETTER WE HAVE ON RECORD IS FROM THE ERIE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT WHO SAYS THERE'S NO ISSUES THERE. 
          UM, SO, UH, THEY ALSO SAID WE WOULD RESOLVE THAT DURING FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT THE LETTER WE GOT FROM ERIE COUNTY SAID THEY WEREN'T COMBINED, THEY WERE SEPARATE AND THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BELIEVE IT WAS GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BUT THEY WERE WAITING TO SEE, REMEMBER, THERE COULD BE ISSUES DEPENDING UPON WHAT GOES IN THE BUILDING, HOW IT GOES IN THE BUILDING, THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT SEWER LATERAL THAT THAT EXISTS FOR THEM. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF SITE PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY, THERE'S NO CAP. 
          THEY SAID THERE WERE NO CAPACITY ISSUES IN HERE FOR WHETHER IT'S NOT LIKE A HALF MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WASTEWATER. 
          IT'S A EVENT THAT'S NOT, IT'S, THAT'S COVERED UNDER INSPECTIONS THOUGH, RIGHT? NOT SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, DURING SITE PLAN WE WILL GET INPUT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND GET FROM THE COUNTY ONCE THEY FI YOU'RE APPROVED THE FINAL PLAN THAT MADE SURE THAT, BUT THEY DID TELL US THAT THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE LATERALS. 
          THE NAVAL WAS WORRIED THAT THEY WERE COMBINED LATERALS. 
          THEY TOLD US THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE LATERALS AND THEY DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CAPACITY IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT ENGINEERING WILL CHECK THAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO THERE IS A PLUMBER'S REPORT THAT MARGARET DALE HAD DONE THAT HAS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE LOOKING INTO HER, WELL, YOU CAN SEE A PERPENDICULAR LINE COMING IN FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THE DIRECTION OF THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND THAT PLUMBER'S REPORT. 
          SO THAT WAS A LATERAL LINE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PROPOSED REZONE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S CONFLICT INFORMATION. 
          IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE HAS MARGARET REPORTS, UH, BACK UP WHEN THERE WERE FIVE PEOPLE USING THE BUILDING. 
          NOW WHEN YOU HAVE 75 PEOPLE USING THE BUILDING, IT COULD BE A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. 
          SO IT WOULD SEEM TO BE UNDER SEEKER, WHICH IS VERY BROAD DEFINITION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D WANNA RESOLVE, UM, IN MAKING YOUR IMPACT FINDING, UM, YOUR SEEKER FINDING. 
          SO I, I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE. 
          I THINK THAT AS FOR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT REAR DOOR, UM, AGAIN, SECRET BROAD IN TERMS OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, UM, I DON'T KNOW SITTING HERE WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD COVER THIS, BUT, UH, CLOSING THE DOOR IN THE BACK WINDOWS IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOISE. 
          UM, IF THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN, CHANGING THAT BACK WALL AND MAKING IT MORE SOUNDPROOF, THEN THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE RELEVANT TO THE SECRET REQUIRES. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          REMEMBER UNDER THE MIXED USE ZONING, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THERE BE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          AND, AND I'VE NEVER FELT THAT THAT WAS MET. 
          HERE. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A DRAWING, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY DETAIL BEYOND WHERE THE PARKING LOT'S GONNA BE. 
          AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET PASSED WITH THE ADDITION OF, OF, OF SOME JOB, UH, ATTORNEYS FOR PHILLIPS LETTER OR WE HAVE A MORE DETAILED PLAN WHERE WHERE'S TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE OUTDOOR EVENTS, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE? UM, AND AND MORE DETAIL ON, ON THE WHOLE ITEM. 
          AND FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD SHOW WHERE THE, UH, EXIT DOOR IS GOING TO BE AND, AND, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT 'EM ALL NOW, BUT ALL THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE RUN AND USED. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, I MEAN THE, THE SEWER LATERAL IS AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN AND MAY ADDRESS EVEN OUTSIDE OF, OF THIS PROCESS. 
          IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IS LIKELY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          CAMMY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO SHARE ON THAT YET? I KNOW THAT KEN HAS BEEN RESEARCHING THIS. 
          ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADD OTHER THAN WHAT DREW SAYING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CLIENTS WANNA STRESS THE IDEA THAT THE, THE EXPERT REPORT TALKED IN TERMS OF A WOODEN FENCE, BUT IN REALITY, A WOODEN FENCE DOES, HAS SOME IMPACT ON NOISE, BUT NOTHING COMPARED TO THE TYPE OF WALLS THAT YOU USE ALONG HIGHWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, OUR ULTIMATE REQUEST WOULD BE A, A SOUND BARRIER WALL. 
          WALL THAT HAS THE DENSITY NECESSARY TO REALLY BLACK, UM, SOUND. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE ISSUE I FORGOT ABOUT. 
          SO ON THE ISSUE OF THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT TOWN DOESN'T ALLOW GRAVEL PARKING LOTS. 
          IT'S GOTTA BEHAVE RIGHT CAM, I MEAN, 
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FOR YEARS WE, WE DO NOT ALLOW GRAVEL PARKING LOTS. 
          NO, WE ALLOW GRAVEL PARKING LOTS. 
          THE ENTRANCE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS TO BE A PAID SURFACE. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW BUILDINGS. 
          YOU DON'T ALLOW BUILDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A CHANGE IN PRACTICE BECAUSE, UH, MR. LARDO NEVER ALLOWED GRAVE PARKING LOT, BASICALLY. 
          THAT WAS HIS I GUESS SO HELPFUL. 
          THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          LET IT BE A PAID PARKING LOT IS TYPICALLY PASS PLATE PLANS. 
          WE REQUIRE A PARKING LOT IF I STAND IN, CORRECT. 
          THANK. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, WE'RE DONE A LITTLE BIT EARLY. 
          WE CANNOT START THE, UH, TO BOARD MEETING TILL SEVEN BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE WORK SESSION AND TAKE A SIX MINUTE RECESS. 
          MOTION. 
          SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          OR SIX O'CLOCK? I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY FOLKS. 
          I WAS AN HOUR AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          , WE ARE NOT CLOSING, WE'RE NOT CLOSING WORK SESSION. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION AT SIX O'CLOCK. 
          WE'LL JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH MR. BURTON. 
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 WITH OUR PRESENTATION FOR MR. BERG. 
          SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME FOLKS THAT WERE HERE ON SATURDAY TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY WORKSHOP, WHICH WE HELD HERE AT SATURDAY MORNING AT NINE 30. 
          AND, UM, UNLIKE MANY OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, THIS MEETING WAS SCHEDULED TO GO TILL 1130. 
          AND AT 1230 I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO KICK PEOPLE OUT OF THE ROOM. 
           IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. 
          THE FOLKS THAT WERE HERE SHARED THEIR THOUGHTS AND EXPERIENCES WITH THE INTERSECTION IN QUESTION. 
          WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION, 
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AND IT WAS TRULY A WORKSHOP WHERE WE ASKED PEOPLE TO LITERALLY SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS ON PAPER AS GROUPS AND REPORT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          WE WERE BLESSED TO HAVE MR. BURDEN HERE TO FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIS TECHNICAL EXPERT, UH, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, MR. MICHAEL WALLWORTH. 
          THIS WAS PROCEEDED BY, UM, SOME MEETINGS HERE ON FRIDAY WITH OUR TOWN LEADERSHIP AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAYS. 
          ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF WORK THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THEIR WORK AND PARTICIPATION IN HAMBURG MOVES, YOU KNOW, LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING AT WALKABILITY, TRANSPORTATION, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER THINGS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          THIS IS AN INTERSECTION THAT NOT ONLY HAS HAMBURG MOVES BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN LOOKING AT FOR A LONG TIME IN HAMBURG. 
          THIS, THIS INTERSECTION, UH, HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AREA FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES. 
          ON SATURDAY MORNING, WE WERE ABLE TO SHARE PREVIOUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS INTERSECTION USED TO LOOK LIKE GOING BACK TO 1932. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND THE PROXIMITY OF INDIAN SETTLEMENTS NEAR THIS INTERSECTION, I PROPOSE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERSECTION THAT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. 
          SO TO BRING MR BURDEN TO OUR COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE, UM, WE DID EXACTLY THAT, AND AS I SAID, WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          MR. BURDEN AND HIS TEAM WERE ABLE TO TWEAK SOME DRAWINGS AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK INTO, UH, THOSE PLANS ALREADY. 
          SO I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE MR. DAN BURDEN TO, UH, PRESENT ON HIS WORK WITH US. 
          THANK YOU, RANDY. 
          AND, AND TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          I, UH, AM DELIGHTED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION BASED ON THE HISTORY OF HAMBURG, UH, THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE, AND ALL THE SUCCESS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BUILD UPON THAT SUCCESS. 
          UH, IN MY PRESENTATION, I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE, UH, WHAT EVENTS WE HELP, AND THEN, UH, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THERE ARE, AND THEN A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION ON HOW THE TOOLS WORK. 
          THERE WILL BE SOME UNIQUE THINGS THAT WE'LL NEED TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. 
          IT'S VERY COMPLEX AND A BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE THAN, UH, ORDINARY, AS I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS. 
          THIS IS A VERY HISTORIC, UH, CORNER CULTURALLY, HISTORICALLY, AND, UH, IT'S MORPHED THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ONE OR TWO NEW MORPHS, . 
          IT WOULDN'T BE DONE ALL AT ONCE, BUT, UM, THE SIGNIFICANT PART WOULD, WOULD, UH, OCCUR ONCE SPONTANEOUS BEEN RECEIVED. 
          UH, NOT HERE WITH ME TONIGHT IS MY ENGINEER, MICHAEL WALWORTH, WHO'S THE MOST PRACTICED ROUNDABOUT ENGINEER, DEFINITELY IN NORTH AMERICA. 
          AND, UH, PROBABLY THE WORLD. 
          UH, MICHAEL WILL PICK UP PROJECTS. 
          NO ONE ELSE WILL ATTEMPT , UH, BUT, UH, HE IS VERY GOOD AND MICHAEL REFUSES TO MAKE A MISTAKE LIKE ANY ENGINEER WANTS TO KEEP ALL PLANES FLYING, ALL UH, PEOPLE IN MOTION. 
          I ALSO WANT TO, UH, INTRODUCE SARAH BOWMAN, WHO, UH, WORKS FOR US OUT OF IRELAND, AND SHE HAS BEEN MY ASSISTANT FOR, UH, 16 YEARS NOW. 
          VERY, A GREAT ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN TODD CLEMENTS, UH, WHO IS OUR ILLUSTRATOR AND, UH, WHOSE WORK YOU'LL SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          WE STARTED, UH, ON FRIDAY,  SEEMS LIKE A WEEK AGO, UH, WITH A, A GREAT, UH, NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          FIRST MEETING, UM, ON A TECHNICAL BASIS IN THIS ROOM. 
          BUT THEN LATER, MANY BEING ABLE TO JOIN US OUT IN THE FIELD. 
          WE, UH, DID WHAT I REFER TO AS A WALKING AUDIT. 
          IT IS WHERE YOU GET OUT AND GET TO KICK THE DIRT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, WHAT DRIVERS ARE DOING, WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING. 
          AND WE GOT TO MEET A FEW PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY. 
          UH, DAVE, UH, REMEMBERS BACK, UH, WHEN HE WAS FIRST RAISING HIS CHILDREN, HOW THEY USED TO PLAY FRISBEE ON CLARK STREET. 
          AND, UM, WHEN WE GOT INTO STUDY THE, UH, EXISTING DOWNTOWN IN THE VILLAGE, WE, UH, BUMPED INTO ALL KINDS OF COOL PEOPLE. 
          ONE OF THEM SAYING THEY LIKE TO COME HERE ONCE A YEAR FOR THE VILLAGE, NOT FOR THE FAIR, BUT FOR THE VILLAGE. 
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AND THEN WE GOT DOWN TO, UH, MAINE AND BUFFALO WHERE, UH, PEOPLE WOULD PULL UP LAWN CHAIRS TO WATCH THE BEHAVIOR OF MOTORISTS AND PEDESTRIANS IN THE, IN THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT. 
          UH, IT IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE SINCE THE VERY FIRST CONSTRUCTION OF ROUNDABOUTS. 
          UH, THE TOWN HAS JUST BECOME NOTHING BUT, UH, MORE BEAUTIFUL ALL THE TIME WITH THE, UH, MOVE HAMBURG, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, THE PEOPLE WHO JUST DEARLY LOVE TO ENHANCE THE BEAUTY. 
          AND, UH, I LIKE TO SAY IT WAS ALL, UH, KICKSTARTED BY THE VERY EARLY, UH, ROUNDABOUTS THAT WERE BUILT HERE, WHICH ARE KNOWN NOW, UH, BECAUSE OF MY TRAVELS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. 
          ESSENTIALLY, WE BORROWED FROM YOUR, YOUR, UH, DOCUMENTS, UH, START WITH THE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND BY KNOWING THAT, UH, WE THEN SAY, UH, LIKE WITH THIS PHOTO, HOW WELL ARE WE MEETING THAT WE'RE PEDESTRIANS, HOLD ARMS AND RUN ACROSS THE STREET? WE SAY, SUBSEQUENTLY DID. 
          WE THEN, UH, FOLLOWED UP WITH OUR, UH, WORKSHOP WELL ATTENDED, AND, UH, INCREDIBLY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABLE TO BUILD UPON THE IDEAS. 
          UH, FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION, UH, THAT I GAVE, THEY THEN TURNED TO WORKTABLES AND TALK THROUGH, UH, ON A, ON A TABLE LEVEL BASIS, WHAT WAS WORKING, WHAT WASN'T, AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, CHANGED OVER TIME. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, A VERY GOOD TURNOUT, UH, FOR SATURDAY AND REALLY WORTHY DISCUSSIONS. 
          UH, THEY WROTE COMMENTS, UH, THEN LATER, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO REPORT OUT TO THE ENTIRE GROUP AND, UH, SOMETIMES ASKING FOR TECHNICAL ADVICE, UH, ALONG WITH, WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS THEY PRESENTED, IT GAVE US A LOT OF ADDITIONAL IDEAS TO WORK FROM. 
          AND AGAIN, KNOWLEDGE, INFORMATION SHARING AND SO ON. 
          SO QUICKLY, I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          THIS IS WHAT I CALL A SKEWED INTERSECTION. 
          THE TWO STREETS DO NOT LINE UP. 
          THEY OUGHT BE, UH, 90 DEGREE ANGLES. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THIS SKEW, THERE'S A LOT MORE ASPHALT AND A LOT MORE CONFUSION OUT THERE THAN IN AN ORDINARY, UH, INTERSECTION. 
          THEREFORE, THE COMPLEXES BECOME REALLY TOUGH. 
          SITE DISTANCES BECOME ISSUES, HOW MUCH RADIUS IT TAKES TO MAKE A TURN. 
          AND, UH, MANY OTHER ISSUES, HARDLY ANY SIDEWALKS, LITTLE PIECES TO SHOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. 
          AND, UH, UH, NO CROSSINGS WHATSOEVER. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE TOUGHEST INTERSECTIONS FOR ME TO HAVE CROSSED IN ALL MY YEARS OF WORKING ON INTERSECTIONS. 
          SO WE TOOK WHAT WE SAW AND HEARD, AND TODAY I THINK THE BEST DESCRIPTION FOR THE INTERSECTION IS IT'S AUTO DOMINATED. 
          IT WAS DESIGNED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE CAR, NOT FOR THE RETAIL LIFE OF THE STREET OR THE SOCIAL LIFE OF THE STREET. 
          IT, UH, IS VERY DAUNTING TO ATTEMPT TO CROSS. 
          WE SAW MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE INTERSECTION, UH, TO CROSS, UH, WE'D GET OFF THEIR BIKES AND FIGURE OUT SOME WAY, UH, TO MAKE IT AROUND. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, SEEING FAMILIES RUN ACROSS THE STREET AND, UM, MAKING DO WITH THE GRASS ON, ON THEIR APPROACH TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT AN INTERSECTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE BRING THE SPEED DOWN TO THE CORRECT LEVEL, KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING, BUT AT A MUCH SAFER LEVEL THAN TODAY. 
          AND, UH, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY LEG, EVERY APPROACH. 
          THE SIGNAL SYSTEMS ARE VERY DATED, UH, OF, I WOULD ALMOST CALL THEM ANTIQUES. 
          AND, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          WANTS ME TO CONNECT? LEMME TRY TELLING IT. 
          IT'S OKAY, YOU CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME BUILDINGS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN SITE DISTANCE ISSUES EVER SINCE. 
          UH, THEY WIDENED THE ROAD IN ONE OF THE EARLIER, UM, CHANGES THEY, THEY MADE TO THE ROAD. 
          WE, UM, ARE OBVIOUSLY THIS FAR ALONG IN OUR, IN OUR PRODUCTION. 
          AND, UM, BASED ON THE INPUT WE GET TONIGHT, WE'LL MAKE THE FINAL CHANGES TO OUR DESIGN AND, UH, DELIVER A A REPORT. 
          SO HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. 
          UH, AND FIRST OF ALL, UM, NOT TO BE BOTHERED BY NUMBERS, BUT ENGINEERS WORK FROM NUMBERS. 
          SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR TRAFFIC 
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ENGINEERS, UH, DELIVERED TO YOU FOR WHAT YOUR GROWTH IN TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE. 
          ROUGHLY, YOU'RE GROWING AT 2% PER YEAR, AND IF YOU WERE TO HOLD TO THAT PATTERN, YOU'RE GONNA GET LONGER AND LONGER QUEUES. 
          IF YOU STICK WITH SIGNALS, THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU CAN DO WITH SIGNALS, BUT THEY CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH VOLUME. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO ADD LANES AND DO OTHER THINGS TO, TO, UH, ACHIEVE WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE A, BEING THE BEST. 
          THEN B THEN CD IS NOT GOOD. 
          UH, NOTICE THAT THE ROUNDABOUT OPTIONS, WE GAVE TWO OPTIONS, BOTH WOULD DELIVER A LEVEL SERVICE B CLEAR OUT IN YEAR 2040. 
          AND THAT MEANS, UH, TRAFFIC WOULD FLOW, UH, VERY, UH, UNIFORMLY EVEN DURING PEAK HOUR. 
          SO, UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THE OPTION AND YOU CAN SEE THE DRAWING. 
          THERE WOULD BE CLIPS NEEDED ON VIRTUALLY ALL THE CORNERS, BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO CONSTRAIN THE INTERSECTION TO THE RIGHT SIDES. 
          NOW THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED ON, UM, SATURDAY TO THE GROUP, AND ALMOST UNIFORMLY EVERY TABLE SAID, CAN YOU MAKE A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, NOT A DUAL LANE, WHICH THIS IS. 
          AND SO, UH, MICHAEL WENT TO WORK TODAY, AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT, UH, HE WAS ABLE TO COME UP WITH. 
          THE AREA YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLACK IS AN AREA THAT YOU MAY NEVER BUILD, BUT YOU WOULD SET, ESSENTIALLY SET THE CURB LINE BACK THAT FAR IN CASE YOU EVER WANTED TO IN ENHANCE YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE ONCE IT GETS TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          THE AREA YOU SEE IN MAGENTA, UH, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THAT IS IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE CONTROL THE SPEED IN THE ROUNDABOUT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT POINTS OF CONTACT THAT IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE MOTOR SPEED DOWN, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR DEFLECTION POINTS, WHICH I'M GONNA SHOW YOU NOW. 
          SO NOTE THE, UH, CURVATURE TO THE ROAD COMING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THERE'S THE FIRST DEFLECTION POINT, THEN THE SECOND, AND THEN THE THIRD. 
          AND THEN LOOK AT THE BRICK WORK AREA THAT, UH, IS AN AREA THAT THE SUPERSIZED TANKER TRUCKS, UH, MIGHT NEED TO, TO GO, UH, OVER IF THEY'RE MAKING A VERY STEEP RIGHT TURN, WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE COMING OFF OF CLARK ONTO MCKINLEY PARKWAY, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE GAVE ANOTHER OPTION, IT'S, UH, REFERRED TO AS A PEANUT ABOUT, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, UH, IT FILLS THE SHAPE QUITE WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S STILL, UH, UH, CORNER AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, BE, UH, TIGHTENED. 
          UH, ANY, ANY SOLUTION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT KEEPS TRAFFIC MOVING IS GONNA HAVE SOME IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          SO, UM, MY PHOTO MORPHOLOGIST, THAT'S A REAL WORD, UH, WAS ABLE TO TAKE, UH, THIS PERSPECTIVE, THIS APPROACH, AND SHOW YOU BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THIS DIRECTION. 
          UH, IT, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE MUCH SLOWER TRAFFIC, UH, ROUGHLY 20 MILES AN HOUR GOING IN 20 MILES AN HOUR COMING OUT AND, UH, ALLOWING A, A STEADY MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC. 
          BUT NOW, INSTEAD OF THE PEDESTRIAN BEING LEVEL SERVICE, F MINUS  WOULD PROBABLY BE A B, IF NOT EVEN, UH, ABOVE THAT BASED ON THE SPEED CONTROL AND OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE CREATED. 
          UH, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY TOTALLY UNNECESSARY FOR HAMBURG, BUT I DO LIKE TO BUILD THE SPACE TO FURTHER ACCENT THE VALUE OF A ROUNDABOUT OVER SIGNALS. 
          UH, ANYTIME YOU HAVE A FOUR CROSS INTERSECTION, UH, YOU HAVE 32 CONFLICTS THAT WILL OCCUR. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S FOR THE MOTORS. 
          FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, IT IS 24. 
          BUT IN BOTH CASES, THAT'S MORE THAN HUMANS ARE DESIGNED TO HANDLE. 
          AND FOR THOSE REASONS, UH, THE ROUNDABOUTS HAVE BECOME VERY POPULAR. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S ONLY ONE CONFLICT AT A TIME, AND, UH, THEY'RE ALL AT LOW SPEED. 
          AND, UH, FOR THE MOTORS AT SOFT ANGLES, AND THIS IS HOW THE ROAD CAPACITY COMES IN, UH, A TWO-LANE ROAD CAN HANDLE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF ROAD OF TRAFFIC. 
          BUT ONCE YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY HAVE TO TIMESHARE, UH, ALL 
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THAT IS OUT THE WINDOW. 
          SO, UM, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD, IF YOU GET UP INTO THOSE HIGH NUMBERS, YOU HAVE TO ADD TURNING LANES. 
          ONCE YOU ADD THE TURNING LANES, THAT TAKES THE, UH, MOTORS, WHO'S GONNA GO STRAIGHT THROUGH AND GIVES THEM MORE TIME AND, UH, MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND WE NOW HAVE A NUMBER OF TWO LANE ROADS THAT ARE CAR CLEARING, CARRYING CLEAR UP TO 30,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. 
          THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER. 
          UM, NOW IF YOU INTRODUCE A ROUNDABOUT NOTICE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD ANY O OTHER LANES. 
          AND SO, UH, THE DESIGN YOU SEE DOWN BELOW, WHICH IS VERY SADLY, IS RIGHT WHERE THE BIG FIRES ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW IN, IN MAUI. 
          UM, BUT THE POINT IS THAT, UH, TRAFFIC STAYS IN MOTION FROM ALL FOUR LEGS. 
          THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE LIKE TO DO WITH ROUNDABOUTS. 
          ONE IS TO START THE GREENERY. 
          UH, IT COULD BE A MEDIAN, IT COULD BE THE EDGES, UH, BUT WE LIKE TO START OUT EASILY 500 FEET OUT. 
          AND, AND IF YOU, UH, ARE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THE TRAFFIC START TO SLOW, 500, SOMETIMES EVEN A THOUSAND FEET OUT. 
          SO IT BENEFITS ALL THE PROPERTIES AND, UH, THE SAFETY ALONG THE WAY. 
          THIS IS THE, UH, IMAGE I'VE SHOWN PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY OTHER THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 
          NOW, UH, DOES EVERYBODY SEE THE PEDESTRIAN ON THE FIRE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEN AQ OF TRAFFIC? WE TOOK THIS IN, UH, YOUR FIRE SERVICES AERIAL LADDER. 
          WATCH THE PEDESTRIAN AS SHE APPROACHES THE MEDIAN. 
          LOOK AT THE THIRD CAR BACK, UH, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO AND SEEING THE PEDESTRIAN HOLDING BACK. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PEDESTRIAN ACTUALLY STEPPING OUT TO THE STREET AND NOT A SINGLE CAR HAS BEEN DELAYED. 
          UH, SO WITH A SIGNAL, UH, YOU HAVE TO CYCLE AND, UH, THE WIDER THE INTERSECTION, THE LONGER YOU HAVE TO HOLD THE SIGNAL FOR THE PEDESTRIAN. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THIS ONE WE BUILT IN LA JOLLA, UH, BOULEVARD IN, UH, BIRD ROCK, CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO. 
          AND BEFORE THE PEDESTRIANS TYPICALLY HAD TO WAIT TWO, THREE, EVEN FOUR MINUTES TO GET THE SIGNAL. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY DID, UH, THEY WERE IN THE ROAD FOR A TOTAL OF 68 FEET. 
          YOUR CROSSING YEAR WOULD BE EVEN LONGER  IF YOU, IF YOU USE A SIGNAL SYSTEM. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO TO BUILD A ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN SEE IS BRING THE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING DOWN TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE ENTRY SPEED, AND THEN ONLY ABOUT 14 FEET TO CROSS AS OPPOSED TO 68 IS, IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, REALLY PHENOMENAL. 
          THIS HAS BEEN NOT WRITTEN UP IN MANY, UH, NEWSPAPERS AND MAGAZINES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD BEFORE IT WAS, UH, FIVE LANES. 
          AND, UH, THEN WE BUILT, THIS IS THE SAME LOCATION WE BUILT THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          UH, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF PARKING AND, UH, GET DOWN TO ONLY TWO LANES, ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION. 
          UH, REALLY GREEN UP THE AREA. 
          THIS BROUGHT HUGE NEW PROSPERITY TO THE BUSINESSES THERE AND IT BROUGHT THE DECIBELS DOWN, 73%, MUCH, MUCH QUIETER. 
          THERE AGAIN, YOU SEE A, UH, ANOTHER SECTION OF THE SAME ROAD. 
          ROAD AND THEN AFTER THE TREATMENT WENT IN, UH, IT IS JUST AMAZING. 
          AND THE CORONERS BECAME FAR MORE VALUABLE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, A MAJOR DRUG STORE THAT, UH, WHEN I TALKED TO THE, TO THE, UH, OWNER, HE SAID, DAN, WE WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO, TO THIS TOWN IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE FACT THAT THEY NOW CALMED THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT WAS EASY FOR PEOPLE TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK. 
          IT WAS EASY TO, TO SEE OUR BUSINESS AND SEE WHAT SERVICES WE OFFER. 
          THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT. 
          UM, ONE IS, UH, IF YOU, UH, THROUGH YOUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, SEEK, UH, BIKE LANES OR BUFFER BIKE LANES, UH, WE WOULD, UH, GIVE AN OPTION AT THE INTERSECTION FOR THE PROFICIENT BIKE RIDER. 
          JUST GO ON THROUGH OR FOR, UH, A PERSON, UH, SAY WITH THE FAMILY THEY MAY WISH TO EXIT AND GO COMPLETELY AROUND, UH, AND, AND, UH, FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, DOING THAT. 
          OTHER THINGS WE MIGHT, UH, BE ABLE TO BUILD IN, UH, ONE OF THE CORNERS IN PARTICULAR HAS A WIDER CROSSING. 
          UH, WE WOULD PUT IN WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASH BEACON, AND WE 
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GET A VERY HIGH COMPLIANCE RATE WHERE THE MOTORS REALIZES, UH, THAT THIS IS WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS CROSS THESE PEDESTRIANS WISH TO CROSS. 
          I'M GOING TO LOW SPEED AND, UH, UH, WE GET A VERY, VERY HIGH YIELD RATE. 
          WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ENTERTAIN ANY THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          ONE OF THE FACTS, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE THE SLIDE, UM, THAT I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH SEEING ON SATURDAY THAT I THOUGHT WAS A, MIGHT BE EYEOPENING FOR THE PUBLIC, WAS THE, UM, ACCIDENTS, THE FATALITIES BASED ON THE MILES PER HOUR. 
          OH, UH, THE 2030, UH, AND 40. 
          YES, I CAN, I CAN FIND THAT REAL QUICK. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE I THINK, UH, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY THRILLED WITH THE SPEED OF THE ROUNDABOUTS, UM, THE BEAUTY OF THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WHAT'S PROBABLY, UM, DIDN'T, DOESN'T COME TOP OF MIND IS THE SAFETY AND THE REDUCTION IN, IN ACCIDENTS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUTS CAN PROVIDE. 
          AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN IN, INVOLVED IN THOUSANDS OF ROUNDABOUTS FOR YOUR ENTIRE CAREER, AND FOR YOU TO SAY THAT CROSSING THE MCKINLEY CLARK IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS YES. 
          IS SAYING QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT KIND OF GOES TO OUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FOR WELL OVER A DECADE, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF THAT BEING AN ISSUE. 
          AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FOUR OR FIVE OTHER ROUNDABOUTS WITHIN THE TOWN AND THE LACK OF ANY SERIOUS FATALITIES OR, OR, OR ACCIDENTS, UM, THIS ONE TO ME WAS A PRETTY EYE, EYE-OPENING, UH, SLIDE. 
          WELL, FANTASTIC. 
          UH, AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE. 
          UH, IF YOU WERE TO BE HIT, UH, BY A CAR AT 20 MILES AN HOUR, YOUR CHANCE OF SURVIVAL ARE NINE OUT OF 10. 
          YOU MIGHT BE INJURED, UH, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WALK AWAY FROM IT, BUT IT'S A VERY, UH, SURVIVABLE SPEED TO BE HIT AT. 
          BUT YOU JUST GO UP 10 MILES PER HOUR, YOUR CHANCES GO DOWN TO, UH, THE TOSS OF A COIN. 
          UH, YOU'LL EITHER DIE OR SURVIVE, BUT PROBABLY, UH, NOT, UH, IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. 
          BUT YOU JUST TAKE IT UP ANOTHER 10 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH WE'RE SEEING OUT ON, UM, THIS INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THEIR SIGNAL'S ABOUT TO GO STALE. 
          , WE ALL DO IT. 
          UH, WE, WE DON'T WANNA WAIT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES, SO WE PICK UP OUR SPEED A LITTLE BIT, AND WE MIGHT GO THROUGH IT AT 40. 
          WE WOULD TAKE OUT EVERY PEDESTRIAN EXCEPT FOR ONE OUT OF A PACKAGE OF 10. 
          AND, UH, SO THE RULE, THE RULE IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DESIGNING OUR STREETS TO MAXIMIZE SPEED. 
          UH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE GAIN IN TIME WHEN WE INCREASE SPEED, ESPECIALLY IN AN URBAN AREA, RURAL AREA, VERY DIFFERENT. 
          SO WHAT A LOT OF CITIES ARE NOW DOING IN CANADA, THEY'RE DEFINITELY DOING THIS. 
          MORE AND MORE CITIES IN THE US ARE DOING THIS IS IN THEIR URBAN AREA. 
          UH, CERTAINLY THEY'RE DOWNTOWN NEAR SCHOOLS, NEAR PARKS. 
          THEY, UH, SAY 20 IS PLENTY, AND THEY DESIGN THE STREETS TO SAY 20, NOT JUST THE SIGN. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WILL GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN, IS TOTAL KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE NOT TO ENTER THIS INTERSECTION FASTER THAN 20. 
          UH, I HAVE A NUMBER OF ROUNDABOUTS IN MY TOWN, AND SOMETIMES WHEN I HAVE, UH, TIME OFF, I'LL JUST GO AND WATCH PEOPLE. 
          AND MOST MOTORS WILL GO THROUGH AT 15. 
          UH, SOME WILL GO A LITTLE FASTER, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY COOL. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY NEW YORK STATE IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST PLACES, UH, FOR US TO GET THE CONDITIONS RIGHT AGAIN, BECAUSE FOR DECADES, THE LOWEST SPEED YOU COULD POSE WITHOUT SPECIAL AUTHORITY WAS 30. 
          NOW, FOR YOUR DOWNTOWN, CERTAINLY THE VILLAGE OF THE RIGHT SPEED REALLY IS 20. 
          UM, MANY PEOPLE WILL DO THAT SPEED, BUT MANY WON'T. 
          AND, UH, BUT IF THE ROAD FURTHER, UH, EXPRESSES THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF THE SPEEDS COME DOWN TO THE DESIRED SPEED, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF, UH, UH, THE, THE TOWN BUILDING. 
          YOUR SPEEDS ARE POSTED 40. 
          AND I'VE WATCHED AND, AND, UH, SEEN MOTORS DOING EVEN FASTER THAN THAT. 
          AND, UH, SO EVERYTHING WE DO IN THE FUTURE SHOULD BE BASED ON GETTING THE RIGHT SPEED, UH, FOR THE 
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RIGHT LEVELS OF SAFETY. 
          AND THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'VE CHANGED WITH ROUNDABOUTS, UH, WE, WE TYPICALLY WILL SEE A 90% REDUCTION IN CRASHES. 
          UH, THE FATAL CRASHES, I'M SORRY, WE'LL SEE A 70% REDUCTION IN PERSONAL INJURY CASES AND THEN A 50% REDUCTION IN ALL CRASHES. 
          SO IT'S A HUGE WIN. 
          UH, I'VE  I'VE WORKED ON ROUNDABOUTS THAT, UH, I HELP, UH, CRAFT, UH, THAT, UH, WE GET A FATAL EVERY 16 MONTHS. 
          AND SINCE THAT PARTICULAR ROUNDABOUT WENT IN BRADEN BEACH, UH, 17 YEARS AFTER IT WENT IN, I ASKED THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, HOW MANY CRASHES HE GETS A YEAR. 
          AND HE SAYS, DAN, WE HAVE YET TO RECORD ANY CRASH. 
          BUT IT'S AMAZING, UH, THE SAFETY BENEFITS. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING. 
          SURE, YEAH. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD EXPLANATION. 
          WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS, UM, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE HAMBURG SCHOOLS? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT THERE, WHICH I THINK WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF TRAFFIC CIRCLES, YOU MAY SEE MORE WALKERS, ESPECIALLY VERY YOUNG WALKERS WHO MAYBE AREN'T AS WELL VERSED IN INDEPENDENT WALKING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING OR ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE BUS SERVICE AND THE AG SERVICE BECAUSE JUST IT'S THE FRONT OF MIND RIGHT NOW WITH THE UR CANYON FAIR GOING ON, THAT'S THE MAIN AG ENTRANCE FOR LIVESTOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE COULD HANDLE THE SHEER SIZE OF THOSE UNIQUE VEHICLES THAT BRING IN THE LIVESTOCK AND BRING 'EM IN AND AT A SIGNIFICANT RATE THIS TIME OF YEAR. 
          YEAH, UH, FOR SURE. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT THAT, THE FACT THAT IT IS THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT YOU HAVE THESE MAJOR EVENTS, NOT JUST DURING FAIR WEEK, BUT OTHER TIMES YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE MAIN, MAIN LIVESTOCK BUILDINGS OVER THERE THAT THEY HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, UH, UH, ANYTHING THAT HAULS LIVESTOCK CLEAR UP TO THE BIGGEST SIZE, UH, IS ALREADY ACCOMMODATED IN OUR DESIGN. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHEN MICHAEL DOES HIS DESIGNS, HE CONSIDERS WHAT'S THE LARGEST VEHICLE BY LAW THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED BRING THROUGH? AND ALL AGRICULTURE EQUIPMENT FITS BEAUTIFULLY. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HAVING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS, I THINK WAS A GOOD ONE TOO. 
          AND WE BROUGHT THAT UP AND I KNOW DAN CLARIFIED, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THE PLAN ALSO MORE THAN ACCOMMODATES FOR THE LARGEST OF SCHOOL BUSES. 
          AND ACTUALLY WE WERE FORTUNATE BECAUSE ONE OF THE HAMBURG CENTRAL, UM, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS WAS IN ATTENDANCE ON SATURDAY MORNING. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THAT AREA REALLY IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO OF THEIR MM-HMM . 
          ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. 
          BUT I THINK AN INTRODUCTION OF TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD DEFINITELY CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHARLOTTE IF NEW FAMILIES TO BE USING THE OPTION OF WALKING THEIR CHILDREN TO AND FROM SCHOOL A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO, UM, OUR WORK ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, WE HAVE A PROJECT ADVISORY GROUP THAT HAS BEEN INFORMING THIS PROJECT ALSO MADE UP OF REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ERIE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE A LARGER STAKEHOLDERS GROUP THAT HAS INCLUDED FOLKS FROM OUR EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AS WELL. 
          UM, SO AT THE, THE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THIS HAS, HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT CAME TO THE MEETING TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO, THAT HAS A QUESTION OR WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? YES, SIR. 
          YOU, YOU CAN COME RIGHT UP IF YOU LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEREVER YOU'RE MOST COMFORTABLE. 
          UM, BEING THAT I'M, I'M ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THAT, ON THAT THING THAT'S GONNA GET AFFECTED BECAUSE I OWN THE HOUSE RIGHT AT THE CORNER. 
          AND, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THERE ANY, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU COULD JUST MOVE IT OVER TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE FAIR. 
          WE, I MEAN, DOES IT, DOES EACH ROAD HAVE TO GO INTO IT EQUALLY? WE, WE ALWAYS TRY TO FIGURE OUT WORK. 
          WE HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON ALL PROFITS IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD JUST NOT WORK OUT GEOMETRICALLY. 
          WE, MY ENGINEER STRUGGLED AND TRIED AND NO, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD, SO MY HOUSE IS GONE. 
          I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE GONE EVEN WITH SIGNALS BE BECAUSE WHEN YOU WIDEN THAT ROAD, PUT IN, LEFT TURNS AND SO ON, IT, IT IS JUST IN A VERY TOUGH POSITION OVER THE YEARS. 
          THE INTERSECTIONS GOT BIGGER. 
          IT'S ALSO BEEN THERE A LONG TIME BECAUSE EVEN THE HOUSE BEHIND IT, I THINK, WAS ORIGINALLY THE FARM. 
          SO  YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE PRETTY DAMN LONG TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, UH, AND EVEN THE TENANTS THERE, I MEAN, ONE TENANT AS OF YESTERDAY, SHE'D BEEN THERE 22 YEARS. 
          OH, WOW. 
          WOW. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE, ONE THING I CAN SAY IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT. 
          THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO, MOVE THE BUILDING. 
          UH, I, IT APPEARS THAT IT IS A GOOD SIZE LOT AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER ORIENTATION AND, UH, A SAFER ORIENTATION 
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THAN WHERE IT IS TODAY. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF ALL THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INTENTIONAL FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SHY AWAY FROM TALKING PUBLICLY ABOUT PROPERTY ACQUISITION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AS DAN PRESENTED, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT PEANUT OPTION YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD PRESERVE AT AT LEAST THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS COMES WITH SOME OTHER, OTHER CHALLENGES AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF WE DO FIRST, FIRST WE HAVE TO TAKE, TAKE TO THE DESIGN THAT DAN AND HIS TEAM HAVE PUT TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST. 
          PART OF THAT IS WOULD INCLUDE PROPERTY ACQUISITION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO LIKE THOSE EXPENSES WOULD BE BORN ON, ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, NOT THE, NOT THE PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FRONTING ON THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I MEASURED FROM THE CORNER OF THE FRONT STEP OVER TO THE SIDEWALK THERE, 10 FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOT A LOT. 
          IT IS TIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I HOW WHENEVER THAT WAS RE-ENGINEERED THAT INTERSECTION, PERHAPS IT COULD HAVE AND MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THEN, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT THE CIRCLE IN, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF THE ROAD GOING DIRECTLY RIGHT INTO IT, WHY CAN'T THEY SWOOP INTO IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE THEN, UH, RIGHT THERE ON, UM, MCKINLEY, THAT SWOOP IN AND FROM CLARK SWOOP IN, AND THEN THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THE FAIR HAS GOT THAT WHOLE CORNER. 
          AND, AND I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT FOR TOO LONG. 
          I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER BUILDING THERE AT ONE TIME. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I, I'VE HAD THOSE SAME THOUGHTS AND, AND WE BROUGHT THOSE ORIGINALLY TO DAN AND HIS TEAM. 
          AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT WERE HERE ON SATURDAY, MANY OF THEM BROUGHT UP THAT PROPOSED THAT, THAT SAME THING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, WE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT REALLY AS A COMMUNITY WITH THE LENS OF WHAT CAN'T BE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVERYBODY ON THAT GROUP HAD THEIR OWN OPINION ON WHAT CAN'T BE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHEN WE PROPOSED THAT PLAN TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY WEREN'T HAPPY WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE BROUGHT IN SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE, AND, AND THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, SO WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND NOW I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR, FOR US AND AND YOU TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION BECAUSE JUST LIKE THIS INTERSECTION YEAH. 
          WHAT CAN BE DONE, WHAT CAN BE DONE ON YOUR PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT A LOT'S GOING ON WITH MY PROPERTY. 
          I, I HEARD THAT YEARS AGO, THE, UH, SEWER AUTHORITY TORE UP THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY AND THE MAIN SEWER GOES RIGHT THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO THEY REPLACED THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY AND STUFF. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T OWN IT THEN, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. 
          UM, SO IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT , YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING ON RIGHT THERE AROUND THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, BUT I DUNNO, I GUESS, UH, YEAH. 
          WAIT AND HEAR IT FROM YOU. 
          SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          AND SERIOUSLY, WE TRIED EVERYTHING WE COULD, WE, WE, UH, HAVING TO DESTROY A PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HOUSE IS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S PRETTY OLD BECAUSE THE BUILDING, THE OTHER BUILDING I OWNED BEHIND IT IS, I THINK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE BARN. 
          SO , IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, THE FOUNDATION'S JUST ROCKS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          IT'S PRETTY OLD. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU THINK OF, YOU THINK OF YOUR PROPERTY AND, AND OUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, IN THE TIME THAT THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN HERE, WE, WE'VE PROBABLY INCREASED THE POPULATION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BY 50,000 RESIDENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND EVEN MORE SO IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES, THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, ORCHARD PARK AND, AND THE SUCCESS OF THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG. 
          HAVE YOU EVER DID ONE OF THESE THAT, THAT DESIGN RIGHT THERE, THAT ONE WOULD STILL TOUCH THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, DESTROY IT? , WELL, WHICH PROPERTY IS YOURS? JUST SO I KNOW. 
          OKAY, SO THE RESTAURANT NO, NO, THE LOWER LEFT TO DO DUPLEX. 
          YEAH. 
          YELLOW. 
          THE, THE, YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THE ONLY GOOD THING IS WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, SAID THIS PROPERTY COULD BE MOVED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A VALUABLE, IT COULD BE YOU THIS WAY, I GUESS, BUT YEAH. 
          WHICH WOULD, WOULD ADD TO ITS OWN VALUE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHOSE EXPENSE WITH THE TELEHEALTH CHEMICAL? OH YEAH. 
          THE, ANY, THOSE EXPENSES WOULD BE BORN BY, BY THE PROJECT. 
          THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          EVEN LIKE MY WATER, THE WATER GOES TO THAT HOUSE AND IT CONNECTS OVER TO THE OTHER BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THAT HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS DEFINITELY THERE BEFORE THE OTHER ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU BUILD A BRAND NEW FOUNDATION, ALL NEW CONNECTIONS, EVERYTHING, AND THEN MOVE THE HOUSE. 
          UM, I DID THAT WITH MY HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          A HUGE VALUE. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          HI EVERYBODY, I'M JENNIFER KOVSKI. 
          I'M THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COORDINATOR 
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OVER FOR THE TOWEL. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF MY JOB, I'M ALWAYS MINDFUL OF SAFETY IN GENERAL. 
          SO, UM, I DO WANNA SAY MR. BURDEN, I LOVE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S LOVELY. 
          UM, AND CERTAINLY, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN MY NAME, BUT HE, I DUNNO. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD CONCERNS, UM, THAT HE BROUGHT UP. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF HIS HOUSE COULD POSSIBLY BE DESIGNATED LIKE, HISTORIC, UM, BY ANY CHANCE IF IT'S THAT OLD. 
          JUST A THOUGHT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IT ALL. 
          I'M JUST ASKING HIM. 
          UM, I LIKE THAT IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          I THINK THAT'S NICE. 
          AND BEAUTIFYING OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I LIKE THAT IT, UH, SLOWS THE SPEED. 
          UM, I LIKE THE, OUR RFPS, UM, REFLECTIVE POINTS THAT YOU'RE EXTENDING THE CURVE AREA. 
          SO IF YOU NEED TO ADD LANE, BUT I JUST HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN APP. 
          IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S CALLED THE NEXTDOOR APP. 
          UM, I BELIEVE I SAW, UH, THE SUPERVISOR ON THERE THAT HE HAS AN ACCOUNT. 
          UM, I LIKE THAT HE'S A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT OUT THERE. 
          UM, BUT I, THERE WAS ACTUALLY, AND MENTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT IN ON, ON THE APP AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPRESSED HEAVY DISCONTENT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT THERE WERE, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, OPPORTUNITIES OR IT WAS PRESENTED AS FAR AS COMING IN AND TALKING, BUT IT STILL FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOME UN UHANSWERED QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS. 
          AND JUST FOR THE BEHALF OF THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, OR YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE. 
          UM, AND FOR A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD IS MAYBE SOME WORK, YOU KNOW, MORE INVESTIGATION WENT INTO THIS OR, UH, THAT WE COULD TABLE IT FOR THE TIME BEING ON BEHALF OF HIM TO LOOK INTO THAT. 
          THAT'S A SERIOUS, SERIOUS UNDERTAKING THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING HIM TO DO. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, NOT JUST AFFECTING HIM, BUT ALSO THE OTHERS THAT LIVE THERE. 
          AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO, THIS IS THE TOWN OF FRIENDSHIP BUILT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA BE ON FRIENDLY TERMS. I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT, AGAIN, I TALK TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF MY JOB. 
          AND, UM, AND IN CASUAL CONVERSATION WE END UP TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          AND I DO OFTEN HEAR A PAR THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION, BUT I WOULD JUST ON BEHALF OF ADVOCATING FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO ENCOURAGE THAT WE, AGAIN, TABLE THIS AND POSSIBLY MAYBE OFFER SOME OTHER EVENINGS, LIKE WEEKDAYS, EVENINGS, OR IN THE MORNING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY THEIR PIECE AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT, EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND ALSO, AGAIN, THIS GENTLEMAN TO LIKE LOOK INTO PRICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT'LL AFFECT HIM AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT HIM AND, AND THE THOSE THAT HE IS THAT RESIDE ON HIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT I DO, LIKE, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I, I THINK IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY NICE, I THINK ENHANCES THE COMMUNITY AND I LIKE THE, THAT YOU'RE SLOWING DOWN THE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK WAS, LIKE, WITH THE CROSSWALK, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, WE HAD ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE A LITTLE BIT IN DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING. 
          I'M SORRY IF I'M TAKING TOO MUCH TIME. 
          WE DO TRY TO LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES. 
          SO IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST EXPRESS CONCERN WITH CROSSWALK. 
          'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, HAVE A LOT OF, THAT'S A, A VERY BIG ISSUE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT POINTS OF CONTACT FOR AVOIDING ACCIDENTS WHEN OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING. 
          BUT IF WE PUT THAT, THAT, UH, CROSSWALK BACK FURTHER, UH, THE PROBLEM IS NOW THEY'RE LIKE BEING SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN CARS. 
          I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE TWO FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BOTH BEEN KILLED BY, UH, CARS WALKING AS PEDESTRIANS. 
          SO THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE IT IS BECAUSE THE VISIBILITY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, I, I, I KNOW I CAN'T SAY FOR DESIGN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT I SEE OTHER PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE SHOULDER. 
          UM, BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE, IN SOME CASES SOME DESIGN ISSUES BECAUSE PEOPLE, DO YOU MIND IF I APPROACH THIS REALLY QUICK? WE REALLY GOTTA WRAP IT UP. 
          WE ALSO, WELL, IF I, I WOULD JUST ASK, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVEYED TO ME, UM, IF YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME, WOULD CONSIDER TABLING THIS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT IT COULD AFFECT. 
          AND ALSO, UH, JUST FOR SAFETY IN GENERAL, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE COMPARING STATISTICS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH URBAN AREAS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE CONDENSED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, THERE'S NOTHING TO TABLE THIS, THIS IS NOT A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD. 
          WE ARE IN AN INFORMATION GATHERING MODE. 
          SO THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTACT ANY REALTORS. 
          UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK WITH YOU AS IS PROCESS DEVELOPS. 
          PROPERTY ACQUISITION DOESN'T HAPPEN QUICK. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT IS DESIGNATED AND OUTLINE BY NEW YORK STATE WHO ACTS AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FOLKS WHO MAY BE DISPLACED. 
          THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          AND THE TOWN IS 
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STILL DOING OUR RESEARCH ON, ON WHAT GOES INTO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU FOLKS, ESPECIALLY WERE AWARE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAKE UP ON FRIDAY AND READING THE BUFFALO EU AND THE HAMBURG SUN THAT WE'RE DOING A ROUNDABOUT FOR SURE. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO. 
          BEFORE WE GET THERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER. 
          THERE WAS SIX PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH, WITH OUR OUTREACH. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          WE'VE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THIS WAS NOT ONLY CAME FROM A GROUP, UH, OF MANY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, BUT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HEAR EVERY DAY IN OUR JOBS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC INTERSECTION. 
          SO THIS, I MEAN, AS FAR AS PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TIME, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. 
          WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT AS ACCURATE? I, I CERTAINLY WOULD. 
          AND THE, UH, WONDERFUL PART OF THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC PROCESS IS THE, UH, BOARD OF ADVISORS, PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE GONNA STICK WITH THE PROJECT AND WORK WITH YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 
          SO, MR. BUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HERE IN HAMBURG. 
          IT WAS GREAT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A PERSONNEL MATTER. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? 
          [02:06:58]
SUPERVISOR 
          [02:06:58]
HOPE 
          [02:06:59]
PRESENT. 
          [02:07:00]
COUNCIL 
          [02:07:00]
MEMBER 
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CONLEY PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER  PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          HOPE YOU HEAR ME, JEN. 
          PRESENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, I WOULD ASK FOLKS TO STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE OF THE FLAG. 
          FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY JUSTICE. 
          ALL RIGHT FOLKS, WE HAVE A VERY BUSY AGENDA TONIGHT AND, UH, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. 
          UM, MOST LIKELY I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH ARE FIRST ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, SIGN IN. 
          THIS IS JUST SO THAT WE CAN ORGANIZE THE, THE SPEAKERS. 
          UM, WE WILL CALL YOU WHEN, UH, WHEN IF YOU READY TO TALK. 
          IF WE EXHAUST THE LIST AND YOU STILL WANNA TALK, YOU CAN CERTAINLY RAISE YOUR HANDS TO TALK AS WELL. 
          BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU JUST TO MAINTAIN ORDER TO SIGN UP AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THIS AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. 
          ALSO, TO HELP ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, WE ASK SUCH YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          NOW AT THE THREE MINUTE MARK, I'LL GIVE YOU THE COURTESY OF LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE AT THE THREE MINUTE MARK. 
          IF YOU NEED TO WRAP UP YOUR REMARKS BEYOND THE THREE MINUTES, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF YOU GO FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES, I'M NOT GONNA CUT YOU OFF, BUT I WILL REMIND YOU AGAIN AT THE FIVE MINUTE MARK. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS IN THE AUDIENCE MAY BE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU'RE TAKING SOME OF THEIR TIME. 
          SO I ASK YOU AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO RESPECT THE THE THREE MINUTE RULE. 
          IF YOU CAN'T DO SO, IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SAY EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY TONIGHT, OUR TOM BOARD MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO HAVE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU BETWEEN TOWN BOARD MEETINGS. 
          ALSO, IF YOU DO SIGN UP TO SPEAK THAT TIME, THOSE THREE MINUTES ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE. 
          THAT MEANS YOU CAN SAY, OH, I'M ON LATER IN THE LIST AND I HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          I'M GONNA LET SO AND SO KEEP GOING. 
          NO, YOU GET THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. 
          BUT THEY EXPIRE IF YOU DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SORRY, YOU WANNA YEAH, I, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WE TYPICALLY GO INTO PUBLIC EXPRESSION, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON. 
          AGAIN, THE SAME RULES APPLY. 
          WE ASK THAT YOU SIGN UP, UH, IF YOU CAN, UM, 
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WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES AND TIME IS NON-TRANSFERABLE AND ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO, TO SHARE WHATEVER THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE OR PROPOSE QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD AT THAT TIME. 
          IF WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS, WE MAY HAVE TIME FOR REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OF GREAT IMPORTANCE. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT POINT, WE GO TO REPORTS FROM TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, WHERE THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC EXPRESSION. 
          SO IF YOU RAISE SOMETHING DURING PUBLIC EXPRESSION, DON'T ANTICIPATE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE BOARD AND YOU IN REAL TIME. 
          BUT DURING A REPORT FROM THE BOARD, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED DURING PUBLIC EXPRESSION. 
          ALRIGHT, SEEING THAT WE ARE THROUGH THE ROLL CALL AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THAT'LL TAKE US TO, UM, OUR VERY FIRST PUBLIC MEETING. 
          AND I WILL READ THE LEGAL NOTICE FOR PROPOSED PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC HEARING PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER NINE, PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON JUNE 12TH, 2023, PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER 9 20 23 SAID LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR THE AMENDMENT OF LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 19 86, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING AND PROVIDES SUBSTANTIALLY AS FOLLOWS FOR THE ADOPTION OF A ZONING MAP. 
          AMENDMENT TO SAID ZONING CODE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE AREA NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF CAMP ROAD AND STALEY DRIVE FROM M THREE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO MU ONE MIXED USE ONE DISTRICT. 
          THE PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS FOLLOWS, REZONE, SB NUMBERS 180 2 16 DASH 7 180 2 27 1 180 2 20 DASH TEN ONE EIGHTY TWO TWENTY DASH TEN SIX ONE EIGHTY TWO TWENTY DASH 10 DASH 4 180 2 20 DASH 10 DASH 3 180 2 20 DASH 10 DASH 2 180 2 20 DASH 10 DASH 5 11 180 2 20 DASH 10 DASH 180 2 20 DASH 10 DASH 23, AND PART OF 180 2 DASH 16 DASH SEVEN SIX FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND REZONE THE PARCELS WITH SBL L. 
          NUMBERS 180 2 16 DASH SEVEN DASH 3 1 180 2 16 DASH SEVEN DASH 1 180 2 DASH 16 DASH SEVEN DASH TWO AND PART OF 180 2 DASH 16 DASH SEVEN DASH SIX FROM M THREE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO MU MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE STATUTES AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, THE TOWN BOARD AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 14TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM GLOBAL TIME, AT WHICH TIME ALL INTEREST PERSONS MAY BE HEARD. 
          IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MR. RILEY HAS, I HAVE A HANDOUT. 
          MOST OF YOU GOT, DID ANYBODY NOT GET A HANDOUT THAT FOR THIS PUBLIC, THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT THAT NEEDS ONE? SO AT THIS POINT, UM, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THE MATTER. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S THREE REZONINGS FOR . 
          THIS ONE'S, NO, THIS ONE'S FOR THE, UM, THE WHERE THE ASPHALT PLANT, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE PLANT. 
          YEAH. 
          DO THAT ONE FIRST. 
          YOURS IS THE THIRD ONE. 
          ANYBODY LIKE TO BE HEARD OR AGAINST? GOING ONCE. 
          GOING TWICE? YES SIR. 
          NOPE. 
          NO, NO. 
          THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT SURROUNDS THE, UH, PREVIOUS REEFER CONCRETE PLANT ON EL VIEW. 
          I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT SECOND POINT. 
          UM, NOT, NOT THAT PROPERTY, BUT PROPERTY AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THAT TEXT ME TOO YOUR NAME SIR. 
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AND IT DOES INCLUDE THE REEFER SITE ITSELF AS WELL. 
          THIS, BUT ANYWAY, I STILL READING THE BOOK. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF THE OTHER MEETINGS REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, I'VE SEEN THAT IT'S BEEN IN DISCUSSION FOR KIND OF FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF THE MAIN POINTS, A COUPLE OF MAIN POINTS, UM, THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS, NUMBER ONE, WHY HASN'T THIS PROPERTY BEEN FORECLOSED ON SEEING THAT THEY OWE ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN PATENT TAXES? UM, WHY IS ANYBODY WORRIED THAT THE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO OWN THE BUILD AN ASPHALT PLANT HAS BEEN FIRED FROM JOBS, UH, REGARDING, ESPECIALLY LIKE DOWNTOWN. 
          THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SPILL THE ICE RINK ON CANAL'S SIDE. 
          THEY WERE FIRED FROM THAT WHEN THEY WERE GREAT LAKES CONCRETE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU WALK OVER THERE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF HAZARD, UH, MATERIALS STILL ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS PERSON THAT STILL OWNS THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA FOLLOW ANY LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES TO KEEP IT CLEAN? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S ACTUALLY LIVED BY AN ASPHALT PLANT BEFORE. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT DOES, UH, HOT NETS. 
          I, I DID. 
          AND IT'S NOT FUN. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, BREATHING GASOLINE IN THE CAR OR LIKE EXHAUST FUMES, UH, IS UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          TRY TO BREATHE OIL THAT'S IN THE AIR THAT PARTICULATES TOO SMALL TO BE CAPTURED BY, UH, AIR QUALITY, UH, VACUUM THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT ONE. 
          THESE ASPHALT CLINICS, WHICH THEY'RE ONLY GOOD FOR ONE OR TWO YEARS AND THEY COST ABOUT $20,000 TO REPLACE AND THEY CAN'T REPLACE IT ON THE ROAD. 
          SO, I MEAN, THESE GUYS DON'T CARE. 
          THEY HAVE SOUNDS THAT LOOKS LIKE  MAGNETIC VALVES, UH, FOR A CHEMICAL PLANT. 
          SMELL LIKE A CHEMICAL PLANT. 
          GO AHEAD, LET GO. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, MY WIFE SERVED 34 YEARS IN THE ARMY, ALRIGHT? SHE SERVED TWO TOURS, ONE, ONE NIGHT ADVANCED, ONE I IRAQ, AND NOW SHE HAS BREATHING ISSUES DUE TO THINGS LIKE THIS, UH, OIL, UH, PITS BEING BURNED, UH, THE BURNING OF, UH, TIRES, ASPHALT, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          IF YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT, UH, YOUR KIDS GROWING UP, ASTHMA OR CONGESTED OR, UH, CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE, GO AHEAD AND LET IT GO. 
          BUT FOR ME, I DIDN'T MOVE BACK TO THIS AREA AFTER BEING AWAY FROM IT FOR 28 YEARS TO MOVE INTO SOME CHEMICAL PLANT. 
          I MEAN, THE FELLOW, THOSE FOLKS THAT REALLY MADE IT BIG, THEY LOVE THAT WAS SAFE TOO. 
          BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND BUILD SOME ASPHALT PLANT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR TOWN WHERE THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL, A SENIOR CITIZEN LIVING COMMUNITY, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THREE PARKS, GROCERY STORE THAT EVERYBODY GOES TO, UH, DOG WALKING, UH, PARK, UM, AND THE WIND, YES, CHANGED THE DIRECTION. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT LIVED WITHIN A MILE OF THAT ASPHALT PLANT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WHY HASN'T THIS PROPERTY BEEN FORECLOSED ON MILLION DOLLARS IN BACK TAXES? IF I DIDN'T PAY THAT, I WOULDN'T BE LIVING IN MY HOUSE. 
          WHY DOES THIS PERSON EVEN HAVE CONTROL OF THIS PROPERTY OF WHAT IT'S GONNA BE USED FOR? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT SENDS TO ME FROM YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF GETTING IT REZONED AND NOT BEING TURNED INTO AN ASPHALT PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          SO, SO THE PROPOSED USES OF THIS REZONING WOULD PRECLUDE ASPHALT POT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, CURTIS, UH, PHILIPPI, HI NAME'S CURTIS. 
          UH, I LIVE ON CHURCH STREET IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK. 
          I GREW UP THERE, BUT THERE MOSTLY MY LIFE WHEN I WAS DEPLOYED. 
          I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE, LIKE YOU JUST TOLD THE GENTLEMAN THERE, THAT IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING AN ASPHALT PLANT, THIS WOULD GO TO 
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NOT HAVING ONE. 
          HOWEVER, WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? WHAT'S THE PLAN? YOU KNOW, JUST THE SHEET THAT WAS HANDED OUT, IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REZONING IT TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE OR TO, TO MAKE IT MORE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T JUST LIKE, WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? FOR WHAT? AND LIKE FOR NOT THE ASPHALT PLANT, BUT THEN FOR WHAT? THERE'S A REASON WHY IT ALL HAS TO BE CHANGED TO PROBABLY DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WHAT IS THIS SOMETHING ELSE? AND I GUESS I I, MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS, IS THIS THE PROPERTY THAT'S LINING CAMP ROAD, ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THERE, INCLUDING THE CONCRETE ROAD BACK THERE, WHICH I KNOW IS  AS WELL BECAUSE LIVED YOUR LIFE. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE LAND THAT'S BEHIND THIS, UH, THE WOODS AREA THAT'S WETLANDS RIGHT NOW? UM, I, SOME OF THIS PROPERTY IS MINE AND SOME OF IT I'M, I'M IN CHARGE OF FOR THE BFW PLUS FIVE 17. 
          IS THIS INCLUDED IN THIS REZONING? I'M NOT SURE. 
          I, I SEE A LOT OF NUMBERS. 
          I NOT A SO GREAT QUESTION AND I, I SYMPATHIZE, UH, WITH, WITH THE COMPLICATED SBL NUMBERS, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY JUST AS HARD TO READ AS IT IS HERE. 
          UM, BUT I BELIEVE MR. RILEY CAN, UH, SHED SOME LIGHT ON YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          IT, IT INCLUDES ALL THOSE PROPERTIES, ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRESENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 10 OF 'EM, INCLUDING YEAH, THE POST 5 1 7. 
          SO WHY, WHY? I, LIKE I SAID, I'M IN COMMAND OF POST FIVE 17. 
          WHY, WHY DO I NEED TO RECHANGE AND REZONE THIS AREA? INCLUDING THE, THE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THAT LIST YOU JUST SHOWED ME. 
          THAT IS MINE THAT I OWN, NOT THROUGH THE BFW. 
          WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE CHANGED? I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD A, AN INDUSTRIAL PLANT BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD A REFINERY. 
          WHY DOES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE, SO I'LL I'LL TAKE A, A QUICK SHOT AT THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, TO LAND USE, THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE TO IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL USES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          AND WE WANT THOSE TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          WE DON'T WANT BARBERSHOP CHURCH CONCRETE PLANT, WE WANT CONSISTENT USES. 
          WE WANT RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE UPDATE REGULARLY AS THE TOWN CHANGES. 
          SO THE SHORT VERSION IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THESE PARCELS AND SAID IT'S NOT VERY LIKELY THAT VFW POST FIVE 17 IS GOING TO BE DOING INDUSTRIAL WORK ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT AT SOME POINT THE VFW OR THE OWNERS OF THE CONTIGUOUS PARCELS ARE LIKELY GONNA SELL THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT THE, THE NEW ZONING WOULD WOULD APPLY. 
          SO MY GUESS MY CONCERN WITH THAT COMMENT IS WITH M1, THIS GROUP'S THINGS LIKE HOTELS, OTHER BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE BUILT IN AN M1 THAT CANNOT BE BUILT IN AN M THREE. 
          IF WE MAKE ALL THESE PROPERTY IN M1, THEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO AND BUY ALL THESE PROPERTIES AND PEOPLE ALL AGREE TO SELL 'EM THESE PROPERTIES. 
          NOW A HOTEL CAN BE BUILT IN THAT AREA. 
          IT'S NOT M1, IT'S MU ONE. 
          A BRAND NEW, SORRY, MU ONE. 
          IT'S A BRAND NEW DISTRICT. 
          JUST ALLOWS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          AND JUST, JUST, SO M AND M1 IS AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE. 
          OKAY, SO MU ONE, THIS EXCLUDES A LARGE HOUSING COMPLEXES TOO OR IS THAT CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO SIX PLEXES ALL AT LARGE COMMUNITIES. 
          KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND HAMBURG BUILT, BUILT UP OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          ONE OF THOSE WILL GO BACK INTO THOSE WOODS ON MU ONE. 
          SURE. 
          COULD YOU COMMENT THOUGH, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE WETLANDS, BUT COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? ANY, ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED THAT HAS WETLANDS ON IT, WE HAVE TO ZONE IT. 
          THERE'S PROPERTY ZONED IN THE TOWN THAT ARE COMPLETELY WETLANDS CAN'T BE BILLED UPON. 
          IF IT'S WETLANDS, IT CAN'T BE BILLED UPON. 
          WHAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IN THE ZONING MAP IS BASED UPON THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          IF THERE WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF USES THAT WE WOULD ALLOW BASICALLY COORDINATING WITH THE VILLAGE AND OTHERS. 
          WE SAID MIXED USES WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          THERE'S COMMERCIAL USES IN THE AREA. 
          THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA. 
          WE WOULD ALLOW MIXED USES. 
          THE GOOD PART ABOUT THE MU ONE DISTRICT IS IF YOU OR ANY PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO PROPOSE A USE IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND SHOW THAT THAT PLAN MEETS THE INTENT. 
          AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO PUT AN MD ONE DISTRICT SO IT'S NOT AN OPEN CHECKBOOK TO DO ANYTHING AND IT'S A NEW TYPE OF ZONING THAT HAS THIS EXTRA STEP IN IT THAT SAYS, LOOK, YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET, BUT WE'RE TELLING YOU THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE TOWN WANTS TO TAKE THIS YEAR. 
          SO EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE A SIXPLEX, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A NEW PLAN OR WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE YES. 
          IF IF THEY CAME, SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE, YEAH, 
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THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, SHOW HOW THAT MIX FITS IN THE AREA. 
          THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A SAME PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS, APPROVE THAT, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL WHERE WE WOULD GET INTO ISSUES LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU CAN'T BUILD ON THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY 'CAUSE IT'S WETLANDS, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PUTTING A, THEY'RE PUTTING A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT USES WOULD POSSIBLY BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA IF THEY, UH, TO GO BACK TO THE WETLANDS. 
          IF IT, IT IS WETLANDS BACK THERE BEHIND THE VFW AND BEHIND THAT PROPERTY OF MINE. 
          UM, AND YOU SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING, YOU CAN'T BUILD A CONCRETE PLANT THERE. 
          YOU CAN'T BUILD A ASPHALT PLANT. 
          BUT WHY CHANGE IT THEN IF IT, IF YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE ON U ONE? THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION A LOT OF DEVELOPABLE AREA OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDES AREAS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED AND WE DON'T WANNA DEVELOP INTO THOSE THINGS THAT WE DON'T ENVISION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE THOSE AND WHAT, WHY DO WE CHANGE ALL THOSE? WHY CAN'T THE THINGS THAT AREN'T BEING, THAT THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY BUILDING A PLANT ON, WHY DO THOSE HAVE TO BE CHANGED? WELL, WETLANDS ARE GENERALLY PROTECTED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT THERE ARE, THERE IS SOME MITIGATION THAT PEOPLE CAN PROPOSE. 
          SO HAS THAT IS MY CONCERN IS THAT IT CAN CHANGE JUST BECAUSE WETLANDS CAN CHANGE THAT NEW ONE. 
          THEN SOMEBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW, I WILL WITH THIS UPPER MID POLE OR SOMETHING, WE PUT LEFT LANES HERE, NOW WE CAN BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT IN ALL THIS PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          THE ASPHALT PLANT , THIS IS A WHOLE LARGE PART OF PROPERTY BACK THERE. 
          IT'S ALL WOODS THAT NOBODY REPLANTS ON BUILDING. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY PLANNED ON BUILDING ANYTHING UNTIL TODAY. 
          WE'RE NOW, WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, WE'RE CHANGING ONE. 
          AND THAT'S CONCERNING THAT WHY WE CHANGE. 
          ONE ONLY REASON I COULD THINK SOMEBODY WANT CHANGES IS 'CAUSE THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH IT. 
          I I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT BEING CHANGED 'CAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING ON IT. 
          UM, I'M NOT VOTING ON THIS BECAUSE MY PROPERTY'S INCLUDED IN IT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DOING THROUGHOUT THE TOWN TO GET ALL OF THE PROPERTIES MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS NOBODY HAS APPROACHED US AND SAID, I'VE HAD SOMEBODY APPROACH THE W AND SAID THEY WANTED TO PUT APARTMENTS BACK THERE. 
          THEY WALKED BACK THERE, TRIED TO FIND WHERE THE WATER TOWER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY, I'M SURE THEY APPROACHED YOU AND THEY WANTED TO, THEY THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE STREETS BACK THERE AND ACCESS AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE OVER THE, THE MOOSE LODGE, THAT ROAD THERE. 
          THEY WANTED, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROAD THAT GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO ACCESS TO THAT LAND BACK THERE. 
          SO THEY COULD BUILD APARTMENT COMPLEX AS IF THEY COULD GET IT CHANGED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD CHANGE. 
          MR AND I'LL JUST, THIS, THIS WOULD CHANGE THIS, THIS WOULD NOT ALLOW, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DREW, BUT YOU COULD NOT PUT JUST THE CARBON APARTMENT COMPLEXES BACK THERE. 
          IT'S, IT REQUIRES A MIXTURE OF USES STILL. 
          AND UNDERSTAND THIS, THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN TELLS PEOPLE OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS TOWN. 
          RIGHT NOW THIS AREA SAYS WE WANT HEAVY AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS AREA. 
          SO THE TOWN IS CHANGING THAT MAP TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SAYING, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY THIS PROPERTY, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT HERE. 
          WE DO NOT WANT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS AREA. 
          THE END. 
          I AGREE. 
          RIGHT NOW IT SAYS ONLY PIGGY IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE IMPOSSIBLE ON A WEB. 
          BUT IN E ONE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROBABLY COULD BE BUILT BACK THERE, BUT IT WOULD PRECLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRY AND IN WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT, NO, I MEAN THE, THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING BOOTH OR THE LAST LESS SPEAKER ON THIS. 
          HAD WE DONE THIS FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OR THE APPLICATION OF AN ASPHALT PLANT TODAY. 
          FRANKLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE. 
          I AGREE THAT THAT PART WHERE I CALL IT REEFER, UM, YOU COULD BUILD AN ACTUAL PLANT THERE THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED THE PROPERTY, THAT'S THE WETLANDS. 
          I'M CONCERNED THAT IF IT CHANGES TO MU ONE, IT WILL THEN WANT SOMEBODY TO GO BUY A ALL PROPERTY AND TURN INTO HOUSING OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I I I THE WETLANDS ARE THE WETLANDS. 
          YOU CAN'T BUILD A WETLANDS WHETHER IT'S MU ONE, WHETHER IT'S ANY ZONING DISTRICT. 
          WHAT IS THE VISION FOR THE AREA? I JUST WANNA STRESS, WE DON'T WANT OUTSIDERS THINKING THIS IS AN AREA FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING AND CAN DO SOMETHING, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. 
          IT WOULD BE THIS TYPE OF ZONING. 
          WE HAVE TO BY LAW DESIGNATE PROPERTIES, ZONING. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT INDUSTRIAL, WE WANTED THIS VISION EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE LAND IS NOT DEVELOPABLE. 
          I AGREE SOME OF THE LAND IS NOT DEVELOPABLE AT ALL. 
          BUT IF IT, BUT UH, TO REWIND ON THE WETLANDS, IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THIS LAND AWAY FROM WETLANDS. 
          NO WETLANDS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          WE HAVE NO CONTROL. 
          THIS WILL NOT, THIS WILL ALWAYS BE WETLAND. 
          SOMEBODY CAN'T FIND A WAY TO CHANGE IT. 
          WELL, THROUGH THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEY COULD. 
          YES, 
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NOT US. 
          THAT'S REALLY ALL I FEEL LIKE MY THREE MINUTES, SO THANK YOU. 
          I I I KNOW THAT THESE, THESE DIFFERENT LAND USES ARE ARE ABBREVIATED. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF JARGON. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? REEFER, I CALL IT ELLER. 
          AGAIN, CHANGE THAT TO NU ONE. 
          BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING OR SMALL BUSINESSES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THOSE WOODED AREAS IN THE BACK THAT ARE WETLANDS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD A A CONCRETE PLANT OR NATURAL PLANT BACK THERE. 
          AND SOME OF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THE BUILDER WOULD SAY, YOU CAN'T PUT A PLANT HERE, IT'S  JUST STICK. 
          HOWEVER YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF HOUSING, YOU PUT A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          LET'S TEAR DOWN ALL THESE WOODS, PUT A ROAD IN HERE. 
          NOW IT'S MORE LAND TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH. 
          AND THAT'S FEASIBLE WITHIN ONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS DOES THOSE PROPERTIES DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED OTHER THAN THERE ARE ALSO, SOME OF 'EM ARE M TWO, WHICH IS, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA WANNA BUILD ANYTHING WITH M TWO. 
          BUT IF WE CHANGE THE MU ONE, IT'S GONNA OPEN UP FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THOSE PROPERTIES AGAIN. 
          IF I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD SELL 'EM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THAT'S, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COLLECT ENOUGH OF THEM, THEY COULD JUST, LIKE WE'VE SEEN AROUND IN HAMBURG, A LOT OF HOUSING COMPLEXES GO UP OR POSSIBLY SOME TYPE OF LARGE TWO TO THREE STORY, UH, HOUSING APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 
          AND I THINK IT SHOULD STAY WETLANDS IN THE WOODS EVEN THOUGH IT'S PARTIALLY MY PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T WANNA BUILD THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO BACK THERE. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          YOU THIS I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AMBER . 
          HI. 
          SORRY. 
          UH, THE REASON I'M COMING UP ALSO IS I KNOW WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FOR THE ASPHALT PLANT, HER ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS FOR BUILDING THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO TO SAY THAT THIS PROPERTY HASN'T BEEN APPROACHED TO BE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES. 
          I KNOW SHE WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSING COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, SHE APPROACHED EVEN THE FW IN THAT PROCESS AND THE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING IT HASN'T BEEN APPROACHED TO BE DEVELOPED, IT WAS COUNCILMAN . 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS WHEN THE INCEPTION TO REZONE THIS, IT WASN'T DONE BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S APPROACHING US RIGHT NOW AND ASKING US TO DO THIS. 
          UM, I THINK MR. RILEY CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE MU ONE ZONING IS DEFINITELY HAS MORE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE THAN THE CURRENT ZONING AND A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PUBLIC INPUT. 
          WHEN THE PROPERTY EVENTUALLY AT SOME POINT IN ITS HISTORY GETS DEVELOPED. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ANY TYPE OF DATE AFTER OUR CHILDREN HAVE INHERITED THE PROPERTY, UM, THERE'S FAR MORE RESTRICTIONS AND MORE PUBLIC INPUT AND TIE IN ON THE PROCESS WHEN IT'S AN U ONE THAN ANY OF THE CURRENT ZONINGS. 
          AM I CORRECT IN THAT UNDERSTANDING? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE MU ONE DISTRICT IS A MODERN ZONING DISTRICT AND HAS LOTS OF DESIGN GUIDELINES, OTHER THINGS IN IT. 
          AND IT HAS THE STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS TOWN BOARD AND PRESENT IT AS THIS IS A PLAN THAT'LL WORK AND MAKE SENSE FOR THE AREA. 
          JUST BECAUSE IT'S LISTED AS A POTENTIAL USE DOESN'T MEAN IT'LL FIT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE TO, AS I SAID TO OTHER GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE TO ZONE IN SOMETHING. 
          WE CAN'T LEAVE IT INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE NOT THAT IS NOT THE VISION OF THE TOWN. 
          AND THE STUDIES DONE SAID MIXED USE. 
          THE TOWN DID A GATEWAY REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          THEY DID A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ALL SAYS THIS AREA IS MORE OF A MIXED USE AREA. 
          GOT INPUT FROM VILLAGE VILLAGE RESIDENT TO TOWN RESIDENT. 
          THIS IS MORE A MIXED USE AREA. 
          WE WANNA SEE WHAT PEOPLE WILL PROPOSE FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S THE DIRECTION, IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL. 
          THIS AREA IS NO LONGER INDUSTRIAL. 
          IT'S THE VESTIGES OF 40, 50 YEARS AGO. 
          IT IS NOT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN. 
          WELL AND ON THE SHEET THAT YOU HANDED OUT, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS REVITALIZATION PROJECT IS. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE RENDERING? YES, THERE ARE. 
          AND THERE THEY'RE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE TOO, TOO. 
          IT'S CALLED THE, THE HAMBURG GATEWAY REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          AND IT WAS IDEAS OF PEOPLE, CONSULTANTS OF THE TOWN, NOT DEVELOPERS SAYING THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THIS AREA. 
          SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTING. 
          THEY WERE COULD HAPPEN, BUT I'M BY CONSULTANTS, NOT BY A DEVELOPER SAYING THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE. 
          WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER APPROACH FOR THIS AREA. 
          SO THOSE PLANS ARE A GOOD START TO LOOK AT THOSE MIXED USES OF WHAT COULD BE DONE. 
          THEY ACTUALLY DID A TOWN CENTER CONCEPT WHERE THEY HAD A CIRCULAR AREA IN THE MIDDLE AND HAD BUSINESSES OFF OF THAT TOWN CENTER CONCEPT OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          AND THIS, THIS IS, IS A PARCEL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT ALSO HAD THE ATTENTION OF THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, I WANNA SAY FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. 
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THEY DEVELOPED THEIR OWN PLAN FOR THE WEST PART OF THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG THAT INCLUDED THESE PARCELS AS WELL, WHICH WAS A SIMILAR USE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDED A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL. 
          UM, AND WHEN THESE PLANS GO TOGETHER, THESE AREN'T AREN'T PLANS OF WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THIS IS, LET'S THINK BIG. 
          SO THE VILLAGE'S PROPOSAL INCLUDED LIKE A LIGHT RAIL STATION AND THE CITY OF BUFFALO. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE'S A PROJECT IN THE WORKS, IT'S BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS SAID THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          AND THEN WE ASK THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TO COME IN AND AND AND DEVELOP THAT IF IT FITS WITH THEIR VISION. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW DOES THIS FIT WITH HER ORIGINAL VISION THOUGH? BECAUSE BEFORE WITH IT BEING ZONED TO THE M THREE, SHE CAN'T BUILD WHAT SHE WAS HOPING TO. 
          WOULD WE REZO THIS? CAN SHE BUILD THAT PROPERTY THAT SHE WAS HOPING TO THAT IT WASN'T SOME FOR? YEAH, SO I MEAN WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT DEFINITIVELY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          BUT UH, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS TIME TIME AGO, WAS A, A VERY HIGH BUILDING AND I, I DON'T, I DO NOT THINK IF THIS U ONE DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW FOR ANYTHING OVER, WAS IT 32 FEET IS OUR YEAH, IT'S IT'S RESTRICTED. 
          YEAH, IT'S RESTRICTED WHEN IT COMES TO, WE DIDN'T ENVISION 10 AND 12 STORAGE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DECIDED IT WAS GONNA, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT AS AN OWNER OF LAND TO PROPOSE SOMETHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MU ONE DISTRICT, COME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO HERE. 
          THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO DECIDE IF THEY WERE DECIDE IN FAVOR. 
          AND IT GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE THE OVERALL DIRECTION FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS EVERYBODY, THE VILLAGE TOWN, ALL THESE DIFFERENT SET. 
          IT SHOULD BE A MIXED USE AREA. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE MV ONE ZONING DISTRICT FOR MIXED USES. 
          DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          SOME OF THE SITE IS, IS WETLANDS. 
          IT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED AT ALL, BUT AT LEAST WE GIVE A DIRECTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, NOT THE DIRECTION IS WE WANT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING MAP SAYS NOW. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT THE TOWN WANTS. 
          I JUST THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS YOU DAUGHTER. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER DAUGHTER ON THE WAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY MUCH SET UP THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GROW HAPPY, HEALTHY WITHOUT THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT THE GOAL IS BEING PULLED OVER OUR EYES AND THAT WE'RE REZONING THIS SO THAT THINGS THAT ARE NOT GONNA PROTECT THAT FOR OUR CHILDREN ARE GONNA BE BROUGHT IN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT I WAS RAISED IN, THAT MY HUSBAND WAS RAISED IN AND THAT WE WANT OUR GIRLS TO BE RAISED IN. 
          WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE BY CHANGING EVEN OUR BACK PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO FOR US OR WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO TO HARM US AND OUR VISION OF RAISING A HAPPY, HEALTHY FAMILY IN THE VILLAGE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S . 
          ALL I CAN SAY NOW IS THAT IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL. 
          WE DON'T WANT INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME FORM OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          OUR IDEA IS MIXED USES WHAT THE PLAN WILL BE, HOW IT'LL BE, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT WE ALL KNOW, I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN AGREE. 
          I THINK WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          THIS IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THE TOWN ANYMORE AND SO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT. 
          WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING. 
          BUT DOES WHY DOES ALL OF IT HAVE TO BE CHANGED? WHY IS IT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ZONED INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO ANYBODY ELSE COULD COME IN WITH PLANS FOR OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          NOT EVEN CON UH, ASPHALT PLANTS THAT COULD PROPOSE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          WE'RE SAYING THIS IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          THIS IS NO LONGER INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          WE DO NOT WANT INDUSTRY THERE. 
          N THREE ALLOWS SMOKE STACKS EVERYTHING. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ALL THE LANDS AROUND THERE. 
          SO NO ONE COMES IN AND SAYS THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL TOWN. 
          I'M GONNA PUT IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT EVERYBODY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW MY, MY GARAGE AND MY BARN, IT'S ON THE BACK PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL, I CAN BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN. 
          YOU COULD BUILD INDUSTRIAL ON THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU WOULD JUST GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A PLAN AND BUILD INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN SAYS. 
          WE GOTTA CHANGE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER NINE ACTUALLY FIRST ONE, HAVE A QUICK SURE, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I WILL TAKE MY, THIS WILL BE SHORT. 
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OKAY. 
          MY NAME'S EDWARD. 
          I LIVE ON CHURCH JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M AGAINST THE FAULT. 
          I HAVE BEEN RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THEY'RE BURNING THINGS BACK THEN AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BURNING ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS I'VE DRIVEN BY ON CAMP GROVE, BLACK SMOKE, HEAVY BLACK SMOKE AND THEY'RE BURNING SOMETHING. 
          I DIDN'T TRY DRIVING BACK THERE TO SEE WHAT IT WAS. 
          I TRIED DRIVING ON THE GROUND BUT I COULD GET A CLEAR VIEW BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THAT THEY'RE BURNING, SO THEY WANNA CHECK INTO THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS BEING A CHURCH STREET IS A CONCRETE STREET THAT HANDLES TRUCKS. 
          IF YOU DO ANY KIND OF LIGHT INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT OR APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, WILL YOU DRIVE A ROAD THROUGH AND HAVE ALL THAT TRAFFIC? POSSIBLE TRUCK TRAFFIC EVEN THOUGH, AND WE ARE SEEN TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING DOWN CHURCH STREET, DUMP TRUCKS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE DON'T WANT. 
          I'VE HAD FRIENDS OF MINE IN FLORIDA, THE STREET I GREW UP ON AS THEY LEAVE IT TO BEAVER STREET, PEOPLE LIKE TO WALK ON THEIR, I WALK THEIR DOGS ON THAT STREET AND I SEE THEM WALKING AND JOGGING ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND STUFF. 
          AND I HATE TO SEE THAT STREET TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP FOR NINE YEARS IN ONE ON SOUTH PARK. 
          I HATE TO SEE THAT STREET TURNED INTO LIKE A SOUTH PARK AVENUE. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. 
          JUST WANNA GET DOWN THE ROAD AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE BURNING THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHOULDN'T BE DOING, THAT'S IT. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I'M PATRICIA GEORGE. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE, UM, BECAUSE I FINALLY, AS MY HUSBAND SAID, AGED TO HAVE ROOTS ON THE GROUND AFTER MOVING. 
          THIS IS MY 19TH MOVE IN 27 YEARS. 
          SO, BUT THIS IS MY FINAL MOVE AND SO I APPRECIATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE SINCE I HAVEN'T HAD ROOTS, I KIND OF JUST WAS LIKE, I DON'T REALLY CARE. 
          I'LL KEEP GOING TO DIFFERENT STATIONS, DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          BUT HERE, LIKE WHEN I GOT THAT LETTER IN THE MAIL, I WILL TELL YOU IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF LAWYER, LEGAL, LEGAL STUFF AND I THINK THAT AS TRA TO BE TRANSPARENT, I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          NOT YOU ALL, WHOEVER HAD YOUR LAWYERS WRITE IT UP SO THE COMMON PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          NOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ONE, 2.5, SEVEN, EIGHT GOING TO MU EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE EVEN WITH HIM COMING UP AND STANDING UP AND SAYING, HEY, LISTEN, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT, RIGHT. 
          IT HELPS US UNDERSTAND LIKE THERE'S A PURPOSE BEHIND IT AND WE SEE YOUR VISION. 
          SO WE CAN EITHER GO, YES, WE UNDERSTAND IT, OR NO, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          BUT THERE'S SOME, WE HAVE SOME CONFLICTS. 
          I CAME IN HERE THINKING, OH MY GOSH, THEY'RE GONNA TURN THIS WHOLE AREA, SOME INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT I DO NOT WANNA LIVE IN. 
          SO I THINK PROVIDING US MORE TRANSPARENCY WILL HELP THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO PUSH US. 
          I DON'T, I THINK THAT YOU LIVE WITH US, YOU DON'T WANT US TO, YOU KNOW, BE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND, YOU KNOW, SUCKING IN ASPHALT. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT. 
          AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS ONE OF YOUR WAYS OF TRYING TO GET THERE. 
          BUT WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION AND IT, AND IT TO BE MORE DOWN TO EARTH. 
          I ALWAYS HAD TO WRITE, I'M AN HR PER OFFICER IN THE ARMY. 
          I ALWAYS HAD TO WRITE IT TO THE LOWEST LEVEL PERSON, WHETHER IT'S LIKE A HIGH SCHOOLER, I'D HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, BRING IT TO THAT LEVEL. 
          I THINK AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST MYSELF, I MEAN, I STUDIED FOR MY MASTER'S DEGREE, UM, MA, UH, ENVIRONMENT. 
          I DO FEEL LIKE THE WETLANDS, I KNOW I HEARD GENERALLY AND MY EARS. 
          SO SHE'S LIKE, NO, NOT GENERALLY. 
          WE NEED NOT TO GET ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE WETLANDS BECAUSE THAT, AND THAT IS, THIS REALLY IMPACTS EVERYTHING. 
          AND IF WE DON'T FIGHT FOR THAT, GET THAT OUT OF THERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO REZONE THE WETLANDS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND GO, ALRIGHT, THERE'S AN EXCEPTIONAL POLICY BECAUSE THERE'S A ETP FOR EVERYTHING. 
          WHY? WHY CAN'T WE JUST SAFEGUARD THOSE WETLANDS? MY THIRD ONE IS, I WANNA KNOW THE TAX IMPLICATION IS BECAUSE, LEMME TELL YOU, I GOT HERE LAST YEAR AND MY, LIKE, TAXES DOUBLED IN ONE YEAR. 
          I WAS LIKE, WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY SCHOOL TAX EVERYTHING. 
          SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TAXES. 
          SO WHAT IS A TAX IMPLICATION OF THIS CHANGING FROM ONE ZONE TO ANOTHER FOR IF YOU LOAN THE PROPERTY OR SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY? I'LL LET YOU ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          ZERO. 
          THERE'S NO IMPLICATION. 
          THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY BENEFIT OR, UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A BENEFIT OR A DETRIMENT TO THE, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T BUILD AN ASPHALT PLANT IN YOUR BACKYARD, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY, UH, YEAH, IT, IT WILL DEPEND ON THE USE AND THE ASSESSED VALUE OF, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF, IF YOU DO ADD AN INDUSTRIAL USE MM-HMM . 
          TO YOUR PROPERTY, THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN INCREASED ASSESSMENT. 
          WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BRINGING BUSINESSES IN RIGHT TO THE TOWN THAT, THAT WOULD LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HELP OUR TAXES BY LIKE, YOU KNOW, LESSENING THEM A LITTLE BIT BY HAVING 
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COMPANIES COMING IN AND US GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF TAX RELIEF. 
          BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE HAVE THIS MIXED USE AND WE'RE BRINGING IN SOME OTHER BUSINESSES? DOES THAT HELP OUR TAXES OR IT DOESN'T? OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TAXES FROM, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          THE, THE PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN THAT ARE ON LARGER PARCELS WITH LESS DENSITY COST THE TOWN A A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THE PROPERTY TAXES DON'T KEEP UP WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE IT'S MORE DENSE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IN A MIXED USE SITUATION WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, AND I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT THE, THE, THE CONCRETE PLANT PARCEL WHERE YOU HAVE BUSINESSES ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO LEVELS OF RESIDENCE ON TOP OF THAT, THAT BRINGS A LOT OF REVENUES INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE LIKE BENEFITS AND STUFF. 
          SO I MEAN, JUST PROVIDING YOUR PROS AND CONS OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT IT HELPS US, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          DECISION SUPPORT IT OR NOT. 
          ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS, IS PROVIDING THE RESIDENTS, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THEM IN THE NOTICE AND BALANCING THAT BETWEEN GIVING THEM SO MUCH INFORMATION AND IT GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE CIRCULAR FILE. 
          SO IT'S A I KNOW, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN I READ IT, I WAS LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND I'M GOOGLING STUFF. 
          I DID GIVE GOOGLE GATEWAY PROJECT, AND LET ME TELL YOU, IT WENT NOWHERE, WENT TO BUFFALO NEWS AND I WENT TO GO THERE AND I WAS ALMOST PAYING A DOLLAR FOR MY SIX MONTH SUBSCRIPTION SO I CAN READ WHAT THE HECK THE GATEWAY PROJECT IS. 
          SO I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THOSE LINKS OUT THERE, IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT GATEWAY PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE MY ISSUES. 
          AND I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ASHEVILLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PETER , I'M MAKE THIS SHORT. 
          I'M GONNA CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR ZONING AND ALL YOU WANT, WE COLLECTIVELY AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE, WE ARE THE VILLAGE TAXPAYERS AND WE PAY A BIG BUCK TO LIVE IN THIS LIVING COMMUNITY. 
          ALRIGHT? UH, ONE QUESTION. 
          WHAT DO WE HAVE TO GAIN BY HAVING AN ASPHALT PLANT HERE? GIVE ME A LIST. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF REASONS NOT, AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE CAN TELL YOU WHY WE DON'T NEED AN ASPHALT PLANT, BUT GIVE ANY REASON THAT WE NEED IT. 
          IS IT ABOUT THE MONEY? WE WANNA DESTROY THIS COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S US IN ORCHARD PARK. 
          WE ARE THE, THE SOUTH HOUSE WE LIVE THE BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY AND RESPOND NOW I'LL GIVE MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. 
          UM, THE ASPHALT PLANT WAS NOT MY IDEA AND IT'S NOT A PROJECT BEING PROPOSED BY THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD. 
          OH, I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, WELL, I'M, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE, I MEAN, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ALL THIS LEGALESE AND STUFF LIKE THIS AND ZONING LIKE THIS. 
          I MEAN, LET'S JUST CUT TO THE CHASE. 
          LET'S DO THIS LIKE A, A SIMPLE THING. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN DO ALL THE POLITICAL SIZE. 
          WE WANT EVERYTHING. 
          WE SIMPLY DON'T WANT IT. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANNA GO THROUGH ALL THIS ZONING STUFF AND ALL THIS STUFF. 
          THAT WAS OUR FOREFATHERS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD. 
          I BELIEVE ME, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO, BUT LEGALLY WE'RE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO. 
          DO YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS UP TO A REFERENDUM? NO. 
          SO THIS IS RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF OUR PLANNING BOARD IS WHERE IT STANDS CURRENTLY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE ASPHALT PLAN IS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD IS MEETING ON. 
          IT'S NOT, THIS TOWN BOARD IS DOING LOCAL LAW REVISIONS TO SAY THIS IS NOT AN AREA WE WANT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. 
          SO THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. 
          THE PROJECT ITSELF IS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL, SO WE HAD TO ENTERTAIN IT. 
          DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          YEAH, I KNOW, BUT LET'S JUST EXERCISE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. 
          I MEAN, IF THIS IS NOT PRACTICAL, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY NO. 
          IF YOU'RE JUST SAY NO. 
          THEY WIN. 
          THEY WIN. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, SO WE HAVE TO GET A TEAM OF LAWYERS. 
          THEY WIN. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A TEAM OF LAWYERS EITHER WAY. 
          , I'M A LITTLE TOO HEAVY. 
          I, I  THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE? HEARD FOR OR AGAINST LOCAL LAW NUMBER NINE, WE HAVE, UH, MR. CODY, KEVIN CO. 
          KEVIN CODY, 73 MILE RUN. 
          UM, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST ANSWERED THIS FOR ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT THIS STRAIGHT UP, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          IF THIS GETS REZONED TO MU ONE FROM M THREE, DOES THIS KICK ROSEANNE'S PET LITTLE POISON PROJECT 
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OUT? LIKE IS THAT, IS THAT IT FOR THAT PROJECT PROJECT? NO, NO, BECAUSE AS IS IS COMES UP OFTEN WHEN A PROPERTY IS, IS ZONED FOR, FOR USE, THEN THE CURRENT OWNER HAS POTENTIAL TO ENGAGE IN THAT USE. 
          WE CAN REZONE, BUT THE CURRENT USES ARE PROTECTED. 
          SO THIS IS MORE OR LESS LIKE A GRANDFATHERED IN SORT OF THING? YES. 
          THE SITUATION WITH THE ASPHALT PLANNED AS, AS MR. RILEY HAS INDICATED, THAT'S BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          HOW WAS THAT? SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, EVALUATING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          AND THEN THE T THEN THE PLANNING BOARD WILL MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THAT SHOULD GO FORWARD OR NOT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER NINE? OR DO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TOWN BOARD HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO OR ANY RESPONSES? UM, I THINK BASED ON THAT, THE DIALOGUE FOR THE FIRST, UH, PROPOSAL, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WISE FOR US TO BASICALLY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP BACK AND JUST TO EDUCATE EVERYBODY EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE PROPOSALS AND HOW THEY CAME ABOUT. 
          BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS ONLY ONE STEP IN A VERY, VERY LONG PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. 
          UM, EVERY TOWN IN NEW YORK STATE HAS WHAT'S CALLED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S BASICALLY A BLUEPRINT, A GUIDELINE THAT ENABLES THAT TOWN TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, TO, TO TO BE, UM, DO THEY WANT A LOT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT? DO THEY WANT A LOT OF APARTMENTS? DO THEY WANT A LOT OF TENNIS COURTS? DO THEY WANT A LOT OF RECREATION? DO THEY WANT A LOT OF AGRICULTURE? DO THEY WANT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL? IT'S REALLY UP TO THE TOWN OVER TIME TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WITH A TOWN, UH, THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT SOME OF THE LAWS THAT WERE SET UP, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS AGO, UH, ARE NO LONGER. 
          SOME OF THE ZONING IS REALLY NO LONGER APPLICABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, 2023. 
          I THINK THE ASPHALT PLANT IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          UM, SO IT HAD BEEN OVER 18 YEARS SINCE OUR TOWN UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND EVEN IF YOU THINK BACK, YOU KNOW, UH, 18 YEARS AGO WHEN THAT PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THE WORK ON THAT PLAN HAD TAKEN PLACE ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR TOWN AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE 25 YEARS AGO COMPARED TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SOME OF THE CHANGES. 
          AND SO, UH, WE TOOK A TON OF TIME, EFFORT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, UH, OVER SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, BETH FERRELL WAS THE LEADER OF IT IN TERMS OF THE, THE BOARD. 
          AND SHE LITERALLY SPENT HOURS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF HOURS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, ALONG WITH AN AMAZING GROUP OF, OF COMMITTED COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS, UH, PEOPLE, UH, RESIDENTS, VOLUNTEERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, UM, TO TAKE A TON OF TIME AND EFFORT AND LOOK AT EVERY PARCEL IN THE TOWN AND EVERY AREA IN THE TOWN, AND ASSESS, IS IT CORRECT THE WAY IT'S ZONED NOW? OR HAVE TIMES CHANGED ENOUGH THAT WE SHOULD UPDATE THESE ZONING? AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE GOT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF, OF INPUT, UM, EMAILS, UM, PUBLIC MEETINGS, A TON OF COMMENTS, WHICH REALLY HELPED 'EM MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS. 
          UM, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE, WE HEARD WERE WE DIDN'T WANT QUITE AS MANY, UM, UH, CERTAIN HOUSING IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          AND SO WE ADAPTED TO THAT. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T WANT SUCH, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UH, AREAS NEAR RESIDENTIALS. 
          WE ADJUSTED THAT. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAS BEEN DONE, UH, WASN'T DONE IN A VACUUM. 
          IT WASN'T DONE BY DEVELOPERS PUSHING US. 
          IT WAS REALLY DONE BY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          AND OF COURSE, EVERYBODY'S BUSY WITH THEIR LIVES. 
          SO FOR SOME PEOPLE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE SEEING THIS IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THESE ARE NOT DECISIONS THAT CAME ABOUT LIGHTLY. 
          THESE WERE WELL THOUGHT OUT OVER LITERALLY YEARS OF DEBATE, UM, DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, SO AT THIS POINT NOW WE'RE KIND OF PRESENTING THESE AS THESE ARE THE SOLUTIONS THAT ALL THAT TIME AND EFFORT CAME UP WITH. 
          THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY THOUGH. 
          NOW THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF IT, TO UH, ASK QUESTIONS, GIVE US YOUR CONCERNS, 
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UH, GIVE US POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAT WE MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT THAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE. 
          OR THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT WASN'T EVEN THIS BOARD THAT DID IT. 
          IT WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE BOARD. 
          UM, IT'S NOW OUR DETERMINATION TO SAY, DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY ACT ON THE PLAN OR DO WE NOT? ONE THING THAT I WILL NOTE IS WHEN THE PLAN WAS DONE 18 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THE IDEAS, MOST OF THEM WERE NEVER IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND IT IS A REAL SHAME BECAUSE IF THOSE WERE IMPLEMENTED, WE WOULD'VE SAVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LAWSUITS, ANGRY RESIDENTS AND PARCELS IN OUR TOWN THAT HAVE WHATEVER YOU NAME IT, WHETHER IT BE AN APARTMENT, AN INDUSTRIAL CENTER, UH, A SHOPPING MALL THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT. 
          IF IT WAS IMPLEMENTED, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT RESIDENTS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT. 
          NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT EASY. 
          WE'RE MAKING CHANGES. 
          ANYTIME YOU MAKE CHANGE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          IF WE WANNA DO AN EASY THING, WE WOULD'VE DID WHAT EVERYBODY DID 18 YEARS AGO AND WE WOULD'VE HAD NO PROBLEM. 
          WE WOULD'VE NO COMPLAINTS. 
          I WOULDN'T BE GETTING A CELL PHONE PHONE CALL ON THE WEEKEND. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING EXTRA MEETINGS, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING. 
          IT'D BE SUPER EASY FOR US. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE LAST TIME. 
          THIS BOARD IS COMMITTED TO MAKING THESE CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY, IMPROVE THE ZONING. 
          AND EVERY COMPLAINT WE GET OFTEN GOES BACK TO NOTHING WAS DONE 18 YEARS AGO. 
          NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY. 
          EVERYONE'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY. 
          BUT WE ARE SUPER CONFIDENT BASED ON LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF TALKING TO RESIDENTS, GETTING THE INPUT THAT THESE CHANGES ARE GONNA BE POSITIVE AND THEY'RE GONNA PREVENT A TON OF PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT NEVER IMPLEMENT. 
          UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT IN ADDITION TO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL, WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS, WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE EVOLVING NATURE OF THE BUSINESS WORLD AND INDUSTRY. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A STEEL PLANT ON CHURCH STREET. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          HOWEVER, INDUSTRY IS CHANGING. 
          MANY COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING HAMBURG, ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT LEGAL CANNABIS. 
          THAT'S NOT JUST SALES, THAT'S THE MANUFACTURING, THAT'S THE CULTIVATION. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT ALLOWING, UM, AND AND THEIR STATE GUIDANCE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE GROWING OR MANUFACTURER OF CANNABIS AND CANNABIS RELATED PRODUCTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE SMALLER OPERATIONS. 
          THEY MAY FIT IN A SMALLER PARCEL. 
          THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE EXISTING USES THAT WE HAVE SPELLED OUT IN OUR LAND USE POLICY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I THINK, I THINK YOU COVERED IT, . 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT MISSING ANYBODY ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER NINE. 
          GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. 
          I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. 
          LOCAL LAW NUMBER, NUMBER NINE. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE SUPERVISOR, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE. 
          SECOND BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. 
          ONE ABSTENTION. 
          NOTED. 
          CARRIED. 
          THIS MOVES US ON TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THE NIGHT PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER SEVEN. 
          PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON JUNE 12TH, 2023. 
          PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER 7 20 23 SAID LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR THE AMENDMENT OF LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 19 86, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING AND PROVIDE SUBSTANTIALLY AS FOLLOWS, FOR THE ADOPTION OF A ZONING MAP. 
          AMENDMENT TO SET ZONING CODE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LAKEVIEW ROAD, OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD AND EVANS ROAD FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          THE PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS FOLLOWS, SB NUMBERS 1 95 11 DASH 3 1 1 95. 
          11 DASH THREE DASH 2 1 95 2 2 1 95 11 DASH THREE DASH 3 1 1 95 11 DASH TWO TEN ONE NINETY FIVE ELEVEN DASH 3 3 2 1. 
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95.2 2 1 95 11 3 1 5 11 DASH 9 1 95 15 1 95 0 8 7 1 95 0 8 6 1 5 11 1 5 11 8 1 95 11 1. 
          THEREFORE PURSUANT TO THE STATUTES AND PROVISIONS OF MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 14TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM LOCAL TIME, AT WHICH POINT ALL INTERESTED PERSONS MAY BE HEARD. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING AT, UH, PROPERTIES LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LAKEVIEW ROAD, OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD AND EVANS ROAD GOING FROM M TWO, WHICH IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO C TWO, WHICH IS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          IS THAT THE QUESTION RIGHT THERE? NO. 
          SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BE, OKAY, WE DO HAVE A LIST. 
          UH, MR. SPALDING, RICK SPALDING, I'M THE OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS DISTRICT AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S TWO MEANS. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT CURRENTLY BEING USED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THIS MEANS. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I BELIEVE MR. RILEY CAN CONFIRM THAT IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT USE WILL REMAIN PROTECTED UNDER YOUR OWNERSHIP. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE, DREW? YES. 
          THE ONLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SAW THERE. 
          ARE YOU THE STORAGE FACILITY OR NO? ARE YOU IT WAS, UH, RE 3, 6 9 9 OLD LAKEY ROAD. 
          LLC. 
          YEP. 
          I HAVE TENANTS IN THERE TO MANUFACTURER. 
          RIGHT. 
          I USE IT AS A WAREHOUSE FOR MY BUSINESS, WHICH IS IN OKAY. 
          AND UH, AT SOME POINT WE'RE CONSIDERING MOVING PART OF THE BUSINESS IN BUFFALO THERE. 
          WHAT I WOULD DO IS, AS THE SUPERVISOR SAID IT IS, IT WOULD BE A GRANDFATHERED ONE. 
          BUT I ALSO GET A DETERMINATION OFFICIALLY IN WRITING FROM THE TOWN OF WHAT IS ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, WAREHOUSING IS ALLOWED IN THE C TWO DISTRICT. 
          YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ASSEMBLE PRODUCTS UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE A BIG, SO I WOULD TRY TO FIND THAT OUT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU, WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO. 
          CONTINUING ON THAT, ON THAT SITE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING BEFORE YOU WOULD SUPPORT OR SIT DOWN FOR SAY, CAN I CONTINUE THIS BUSINESS AND HOW CAN I CONTINUE THIS BUSINESS LEGALLY? AND ALSO THERE'S THE NON-CONFORMING USE. 
          NON-CONFORMING USE SHOULD CONTINUE FOREVER. 
          BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE LIMITED IF YOU'RE BRINGING ANOTHER ONE THAT'S NON-CONFORMING OR LIMITED TO 25% EXPANSION. 
          AND IF YOU'RE BUILDING BURDENS DOWN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO, TO AGREE TO ALLOW YOU TO REBUILD IT. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS TO A NON-CONFORMING USE IN THE TAB. 
          SO I THINK YOU WOULD WANT THAT CLARIFIED ARE YOU USE IS NOT HOW DO I, WHAT'S THAT? HOW DO I DO THAT? 'CAUSE CANDIDLY SIT, I OWN A SEVEN STORY BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN BUFFALO THAT IS A MANUFACTURING FACILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S NOT HANDY TO BE SEVEN STORY TALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE THINKING SERIOUSLY OF TEARING THIS DOWN. 
          BUILDING A SEVEN STORY TALL BUILDING. 
          NO. 
          OH, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T PUT IT ONE STORY BUILDING. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, WHAT YOU DO IS I WILL, UM, ANNISE IS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF YOU CAN GIVE HER A CALL, YOU, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. 
          YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT YOUR PRESENT USES ARE AND WHAT YOU MAY WANNA DO IN THE FUTURE. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE SOME CONCERNS IF IT DOES NOT FIT IN THE C TWO ZONING. 
          C TWO ZONING IS YOUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL PRETTY MUCH ALLOWS JUST ABOUT ANY COMMERCIAL IN THE TOWN. 
          IT DOES ALLOW WAREHOUSING, IT DOES ALLOW, IT DOES ALLOW SOME ASSEMBLY AND WHATEVER IT IS A VERY UNIQUE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SO LET'S WORK WITH YOU AND FIND OUT. 
          OTHERWISE YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME OBJECTIONS IF WE'RE CREATING NONCONFORMING USES, WHERE YOU WERE AND HINDERING WHAT YOU COULD DO IN THE FUTURE ON YOUR SIDE. 
          WE DO A LOT OF ASSEMBLY, BUT WE ALSO DO A LOT OF ACTUAL FORMING OF PARTS. 
          OKAY. 
          METAL PARTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD, GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS DONE AT THAT. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING DONE AT THAT SITE. 
          WE BOUGHT IT AS A WAREHOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE THE WAREHOUSE WAS FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE'VE SINCE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ALL PEOPLE FROM NEW ARE OVER THERE MAKING OH, OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER TENANTS 
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THERE. 
          SMALL TENANTS. 
          BUT, UM, WE'RE SERIOUSLY THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING THERE. 
          SO, SO THE TOWN WAR'S NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT, RIGHT? PLEASE, YOU GOT INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU AND GET SOMETHING IN WRITING BECAUSE I WOULD WANT SOMETHING IN WRITING IF I WAS YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE YEAH, NO, I DEFINITELY PERFORMING USE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH SPL NUMBER IS THAT? THAT IS THE, IT IS, IT'S 1 9 5 1 5 DASH ONE DASH 1 2 3 6 9 9 OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD. 
          LLC ONE AT THE BO. 
          ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM. 
          THE SOUTHERN END OF YOUR UH, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PARCEL NUMBERS. 
          READ ONE OF THEM. 
          THERE'S ALSO SOME I PAY SOME MINOR TEXT. 
          MUST. 
          YEAH. 
          A LOT OF THIS LAND IN THIS REZONING IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY OF DOT, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL PRIVATE BUSINESSES I KNOW IN THE AREA. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          I HAVE SOMEONE ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT. 
          ARE YOU READY SIR? YEAH, I JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN JUST START WITH, WITH YOUR NAME PLEASE. 
          JOE NELSON. 
          I KNOW JOE'S AUTO SERVICE. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 35 YEARS NOW. 
          I'VE BEEN ZONED M TWO AND I JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BEHIND ME. 
          THAT'S ZONED M TWO. 
          YOU DO AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, WE MAKE YOU CONFORMING BECAUSE YOUR USE IS NONCONFORMING UNDER THE M TWO ZONING DISTRICT C TWO DOES ALLOW AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          M TWO DOES NOT ALLOW AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR YOUR GRANDFATHER. 
          YOU'RE LIKE IN ONE OF THOSE NONCONFORMING USES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW I HAD THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. 
          RIGHT? I HAD IT FOR 35 YEARS AND I THINK MONEY FOR THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS BECAUSE IF YOUR BUSINESS WAS TO BURN DOWN OR IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND IT, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANNA EXPAND TO THE PROPERTY BACK, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER THE . 
          ACTUALLY THE C2 IS GONNA HELP YOU. 
          IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY MAKE YOUR BUSINESS CONFORMING AND ALLOW YOU TO EXPAND UNDER THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I DON'T INTEND ON BURNING MY BUSINESS DOWN. 
          NO. 
          YEAH. 
          DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT UM, I JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BEHIND ME, SO THE WAY I'M SITUATED, I GOT THE RAILROAD SIDING. 
          YEP. 
          WHICH, UH, I OWN PART OF THAT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A NEW YORK STATE HIGHWAY GARAGE THAT'S A, A LOT OF PLOW TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUTTA THERE. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN PUT A STARBUCKS IN THERE COMMERCIAL. 
          SO I PURCHASED, I PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S OWNED . 
          THAT'S MY ONLY, YOU PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS ON THERE UNLESS WE REZONE IT. 
          YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS THERE . 
          BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE, IT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO MY CONCERN IS IT'S OWN UP TOO. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I PAID THE, THE PRICE FOR IT FOR REZO. 
          SO REALLY NOT MUCH TO COULD PUT THERE. 
          WHAT ELSE CAN YOU PUT THERE? IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEONE WHO PUT A STARBUCKS THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE RAILROAD SIDING, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE GARAGE THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A HUNDRED PLOW TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING IN AND OUTTA THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH OTHER THAT WOULD FIT IN THERE OTHER THAN TWO. 
          SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          I THAT'S REZONING THAT. 
          SO IT'S A PIECE BEHIND YOU. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          UM, YOU ARE JS JAS PROPERTY HOLDER. 
          YES. 
          AND THE PIECE BEHIND YOU IS KEEPS SAFE STORAGE LLC. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I ON THAT NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY CHRISTIE, SO TWO OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE FOR ALL THREE FOR OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE BEHIND ME. 
          FOR ALL THREE OF THESE REZONING ISSUES, WHEN WILL A FINAL DETERMINATION BE MADE? WILL YOU HAVE MORE HEARINGS? WILL YOU, IS THAT ON THE SCHEDULE? SO WE 
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HAVEN'T SCHEDULED, SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MAJOR CHANGES OR DEBATE AMONGST THE BOARD, WE TYPICALLY VOTE ON THOSE AT, AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING MEETING. 
          BUT IT'S USUALLY PRETTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN WOULD THAT BE THEN? POTENTIALLY THE NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 11TH AT 8:00 PM OKAY. 
          SO FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN THIS DISTRICT AND ARE CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL IN A, IN A UM, M TWO ZONING, UM, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT US TO BE A C TWO ZONING? IT WOULD CONTINUE AS A NON-CONFORMING USE RESIDENTIALS, NOT WHICH PROPERTY ARE, YOU CAN SHOW ME WHICH ONES THE I HAVE TWO PARCELS. 
          IT, IT WOULD CONTINUE AS A NON-CONFORMING USE OF RECORD. 
          WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP YOU FROM . 
          OH, THIS ONE? OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT AT THE END OF, YEAH. 
          SO THIS GRAY SECTION IS US TOO. 
          'CAUSE THAT VILLAGE RIGHT, THEY'RE RIGHT AT THE END OF RIGHT PLACE. 
          THE LAST PROPERTY IN THE BORDER END. 
          TECHNICALLY OUR, TECHNICALLY YOU YOU'RE NONCONFORMING USE NOW. 
          YOU'LL BE A NON-CONFORMING USE IN THE FUTURE. 
          I I'M TECHNICALLY ABOUT THE ONLY HOUSE ON SCOTT STREET. 
          YES. 
          WHICH NOBODY KNOWS EXISTS . 
          I LIKE IT THAT WAY. 
          NOW THE TOWN BOARD COULD CONTINUE CONSIDER REZONING YOU INTO RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THIS OF US RIGHT HERE, WE ACTUALLY OWN THIS ALSO. 
          THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE WAS RIGHT THE CENTER OF MY HOUSE. 
          SO THIS IS VILLAGE AND THIS IS ALL SO YEAH. 
          BUT I ALSO HAVE NO, I ALSO HAVE NO ROAD. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS EVERY DAY WHEN I COME HOME WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THIS USED TO BE PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNERS AND THEY SOLD THIS TO US. 
          SO I'M KIND OF LIKE THE ONLY, I MEAN UNLESS THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE HERE, I MEAN PERSONALLY, THAT'S, I GUESS WOULD USE THE TERM OBJECTIVE. 
          DREW, WHAT IS THE VILLAGE ZONING? IN OTHER WORDS WHERE, BECAUSE THAT ABUTS, WHAT'S THE VILLAGE ZONING THERE? DO YOU KNOW? ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT THE VILLAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT PLACE. 
          THAT'S THE TOWN. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT PLACE. 
          THAT'S ZONED R ONE. 
          THAT'S THE END OF RIGHT PLACE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S THE BACK END OF MY PROPERTY. 
          OH, THE ADJOINING LANDS ACROSS THE RAILROAD IN THE, IN THE VILLAGE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ON. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, THAT LITTLE PIECE RIGHT THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, YEAH. 
          THE PRO, THE TOWN IN THE VILLAGE. 
          I'LL CHECK, I CAN STAND IN MY DINING ROOM AND MY LEFT FOOT AND BE MY TOWN AND MY RIGHT FOOT. 
          I'LL CHECK OVER MAY RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT LITTLE PIECE RESIDE MAY MAKE SENSE TO JUST TAKE THIS PIECE AND MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL AND WE CAN TAKE THAT PIECE OFF. 
          YOU CAN TAKE THAT PIECE OFF AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'D HAVE TO JUST MAKE THE CHANGE FOR HER PIECE AND HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. 
          AND I, I'M, AS I WOULD ASSUME, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO ME. 
          I DON'T EVER PLAN ON SELLING MY TWO ACRES. 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO ME. 
          THE THE DOT IS LITERALLY IN MY BACKYARD. 
          IN YOUR BACKYARD. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND SO THAT PROPERTY USED TO BE PART OF MY PARCEL PRIOR TO OUR OWNERSHIP. 
          THEY SOLD IT TO THEM. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S THAT PARCEL. 
          IT. 
          SO WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT, AT AN EARLIER MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS HOUSES ON LAND THAT WAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THEY HAD A HARD TIME SELLING THEM BECAUSE NOBODY COULD GET A MORTGAGE BECAUSE IT WAS A NONCONFORMING USE. 
          SO, WHICH IS, WE BOUGHT IT NINE YEARS AGO AND I HAVE A MORTGAGE . 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE A CONVENTIONAL MORTGAGE. 
          BUT YES, THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN. 
          I SAY REAL ESTATE . 
          YEAH. 
          SOME BANKS WILL NOT GIVE MORTGAGES ON NONCONFORMING USE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THEY FEEL IT'S A RISK. 
          SOME BANKS REALLY CARE. 
          THE ONLY THING I HAD TO DO IS PUT IN A BACK DRIVEWAY BECAUSE LEGALLY I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO OVER THE TRACKS. 
          SO I DO NOW HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT CONNECTS TO RIGHT PLACE. 
          WE DID THAT NINE YEARS AGO. 
          SO COOL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SURE THING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS BRINGS US TO, UH, DANIELLE GABLE. 
          UM, WE OWN A PROPERTY OF, BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT,  AND THEN NOT LAKEVIEW, THAT'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT NEW BECAUSE IT'S ABILITY PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT GONNA BE AFFECTED ON ROAD HERE? I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          WESTVIEW AND PLEASANT. 
          I DON'T THINK INDUSTRIAL ZONE. 
          YEAH, WE'RE INDUSTRIAL 
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ZONE. 
          WE BOUGHT IT FOR A PRETTY HEADING FOURTH INDUSTRIAL. 
          WE'RE IN THE VILLAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS NOTHING WE DO WILL AFFECT WHAT'S IN THE VILLAGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE AFFECTED DOWN THE ROAD HERE BECAUSE OF THIS? BECAUSE WE'RE A GREAT DEAD CENTER BUILD. 
          WE DO HAVE PROPERTY. 
          WE DO, WE HAVE BUILDINGS. 
          HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT US? WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO AS, AS THE TOWN. 
          IS IT GONNA BE PRESENTED THOUGH TO THE VILLAGE? ARE THEY GONNA START DOING THIS TOO? THE VILLAGE HAS BEEN BEEN DOING THIS FOR, FOR A WHILE. 
          WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A NOTICE FROM THE VILLAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND, AND MAYBE NOT SPECIFIC TO YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THE VILLAGE DOES THE SAME THING THAT THE TOWN DOES. 
          THEY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THEY LOOK AT THE LAND USE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THEY CHANGES FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, ANY ANYTHING ON THE TABLE, ANYTHING CHANGING IN THE VILLAGE BECAUSE LIKE WITH THIS PROPERTY OVER ON THE LAKE VIEW END OF IT, WHY WOULD YOU WANNA CHANGE THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE WHEN YOU HAVE THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND PLENTY OF OTHER BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE THAT WORK FOR E BUSY SERVICES AND ARE WORKING ALL THE TIME. 
          WHY WOULD YOU WANNA CHANGE IT TO C TWO? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA? SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND BRING MORE USES THAT ARE IN, IN CHARACTER WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE, SORRY. 
          SURPRISE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPEN THERE, THEY'RE OWNED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO LOCAL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL IT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WELL THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO OUR LOCAL ZONING ANYWAY. 
          THEY'RE HIGHER GOVERNMENT. 
          THEY WHATEVER THEY WANT THERE, MAJORITY OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SENDING A MESSAGE TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY THAT IF I REALIZE THAT PROBABLY WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT I'VE BEEN, WHEN I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE, THAT IT'S HAPPENED. 
          IF THEY GO TO SELL THE PROPERTY, WE'RE TELLING 'EM IT'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          THEY WOULD SELL US COMMERCIAL USES, WAREHOUSES, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY COULD SELL IT. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING IN THE FUTURE, WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE COUNTY HIGHWAY AND THE DOT IS NOT GOING AWAY, BUT THEY DON'T NEED ANY ZONING. 
          THEY, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING IF THEY, IF THEY EVER WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, WE WANT THIS AREA TO BE MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE AND NOT INDUSTRIAL. 
          BUT THOSE, THESE PROPERTIES ALL ALONG THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS WERE ADDITIONALLY INITIALLY PUT IN FOR INDUSTRIAL USE BECAUSE OF RAILROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NOW YOU WANNA SWITCH. 
          WHAT IS NEVER GONNA CHANGE AS FAR AS THE RAILROAD RAILROAD'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE. 
          THE RAILROAD ALWAYS IS, THIS AREA IS NO LONGER INDUSTRIAL. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE FORTIES AND THIRTIES AND WHATEVER. 
          CORRECT. 
          TOWN ZONED ALL ALONG RAILROAD TRACKS, INDUSTRIAL, VERY FEW INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES GO ON RAILROAD TRACKS AND GET SIGHTINGS ANYMORE. 
          THE THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND THIS AREA OF THE TOWN HAS CHANGED. 
          LOOK AT IT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER SMALLER, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING GOING IN, IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          WITH THE AMOUNT OF APARTMENT HOUSING GOING IN. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY. 
          NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LONG TERM PLAN FOR THIS AREA. 
          IF IT WAS EVER TO CHANGE, OUR PLAN SAYS IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL. 
          WE BOTH KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LISA OAKLEY IS LISA. 
          LISA OAKLEY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I EVEN NEED LIKE 30 SECONDS, BUT UM, I'M AGAINST YOU. 
          THAT WAS OKAY. 
          UM, PAIGE ROME. 
          HI PAIGE. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE SHORT AND SWEET. 
          I AM A PM REZONING THE PROPERTIES AWAY. 
          I WANTED, I WANTED TO REMAIN ZONE WEIGHT HAS BEEN. 
          AND UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS A LARGE MISTAKE CHANGING THIS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE PUT THERE. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE, WHICH IS WHERE THE DOT AND COUNTY HIGHWAY GARAGES ARE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, 
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WE UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE, WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA BE PUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THIS IS WHERE WE MAKE, THIS IS HOW WE MAKE LAND USE POLICY. 
          SO WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY MENTIONED. 
          WE'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THESE PROPOSALS. 
          UM, NOT EVEN THIS TOWN BOARD, PREVIOUS TOWN BOARD, COMMUNITY GROUPS, VOLUNTEERS, RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WENT INTO THESE PROPOSALS. 
          BUT NOW THAT YOU ARE HERE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THIS PART OF TOWN? I THINK THAT IT SHOULD REMAIN THE WAY THAT IT'S, I DON'T SEE PUTTING ANOTHER TIM HORTON IN, IN THE TOWN OF HAMPER IS GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE OF HAMPER. 
          I DON'T SEE ALL OF THIS, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COMING IN AND CHANGING EVERYTHING. 
          I THINK THAT IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT THIS WAY. 
          WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PREFER A MORE INDUSTRIAL PRESENCE? I THINK IT JUST THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          I LIKE THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT NOW AND THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING USED. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I, AGAINST THE SOME PROPOSAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT. 
          YES. 
          IT'S, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER SEVEN. 
          GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER SEVEN. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL. 
          LORENZO IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AB SUSPENSIONS CARRIED. 
          THIS BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER EIGHT. 
          PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON JUNE 12TH, 2023 PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER 8 20 23 SAID LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR THE AMENDMENT OF LOCAL LAW NUMBER 10 19 86, CHAPTER TWO 80 ENTITLED ZONING AND PROVIDE SUBSTANTIALLY AS FOLLOWS FOR THE ADOPTION OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO SET ZONING CODE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD NEAR LAKEVIEW ROAD FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO RA RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          THE PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS FOLLOWS, SBL NUMBERS 1 93 0.00 DASH FOUR DASH 6 1 93 0.00 DASH FOUR DASH 7 1 93 0.00 DASH FOUR DASH THREE ONE AND 1 93 0 DASH FOUR DASH TWO. 
          THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE STATUTES AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, THE TOWN BOARD AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 14TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM LOCAL TIME AND WHICH ALL INTEREST IN PERSONS MAY BE HEARD. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD NEAR LAKEVIEW ROAD FROM M TWO, WHICH IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO RA, RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          DOES ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD REGARDING THE PROJECT OR REGARDING THE REZONING? UM, NAME IS DO SPITLER. 
          UM, FOR THOSE PARCEL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE FOUR MR. TO SITTING HERE. 
          LISTEN TO THIS. 
          I, I HEAR EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT, WE HAD A BOARD VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS. 
          WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE OWNERS. 
          NOBODY. 
          I I'VE, I WAS, I'VE ONLY HAD PROCESS SINCE I WAS A KID. 
          THERE'S FOUR PARCELS DOWN THERE THAT I QUESTION. 
          THEY'RE HEMMED IN BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          THEY'RE AT THE END OF DEAD END ROADS AND YOU WANNA RECOMMEND IT GOING TO RA. 
          BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE WOULD PUT A HOUSE BACK BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS? THOSE SBL NUMBERS WERE LISTED ALL, ALL TOGETHER. 
          AND THERE CAME TO MY ATTENTION TONIGHT THAT THERE'S A, A PARCEL THAT'S FRONTS ON LAKEVIEW ROAD BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE ZONE ZU. 
          AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. 
          AM I WRONG AT THAT? CORRECT. 
          WELL, HOW CAN THEY ENJOY 
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THEIR ZONING WHEN I CAN'T? AND WHY, WHY WEREN'T THEY, WHY, WHY WASN'T THAT INCLUDED IN THIS ZONING CHANGE? WE REVIEWED IT AND WE LEFT IT AS IT IS NOW BECAUSE THE ONE PROPERTY'S BEING CONVERTED AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A, THEY JUST DID A RECENT APPROVAL THROUGH THE TOWN. 
          THEY GOT PUBLIC MINI STORAGE OR WHATEVER ON THAT ONE SITE. 
          AND THE OTHER SITE, ADJOIN ADJOINING THAT, THAT WE LEFT WAS THE ONE SITE THAT HAS ALL THE STORAGE ALL OVER ALL THE BOATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE LEFT THAT WE DID CONSIDER REZONING A MATTER OF FACT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO REZONE ALL OF IT. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT TO RATE SOME TOO MANY NONCONFORMING USES. 
          I DID SPEAK TO YOU ON THE PHONE AND I SAID, AND IT SAYS IN MY MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE'LL RECONSIDER THE RA DISTRICT. 
          YOU SAID YOU HAVE RENTED ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THERE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO POSSIBLY COMMERCIAL AND NOT INDUSTRIAL. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS WHAT WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WAS THAT THE OLD INDUSTRIAL AREAS JUST GREAT PROBLEMS. WE WERE  THE PROBLEMS THAT THOSE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, UH, CREATE THERE HAS TO, WELL, WHEN SOMEBODY PROPOSED AN INDUSTRIAL USE, WE GET COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEARBY. 
          THERE, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS NEARBY. 
          WHAT'S THAT ON THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION? I HAVE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE WITHIN 500 FEET OF MY PROPERTY. 
          I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, WELL, THERE MAY NOT BE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR YOUR PROPERTIES. 
          THERE ARE CERTAINLY MANY, MANY RESIDENTS THAT ENJOY RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THE CONCERNS OF SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT INVESTED TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE OWNERS OF PAYING THE TAXES AND HAS OWNERS. 
          THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT THE LAKE VIEW COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND THE KIDS THAT PLAY IN THE LAKEVIEW ATHLETIC LEAGUE ARE INDEED INVESTED IN THE LAND USE POLICY OF THE TOWN AND THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S, IT'S SEPARATED BY A RAIL LINES. 
          AND IF, IF RAIL LINES COULD ROAD SMOKE AND POLLUTANTS AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ASPHALT PLAN. 
          THAT'S TRADITIONALLY BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          ALL RAILROAD TRACKS WERE THE GENESIS FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I NEVER THOUGHT IN A MILLION YEARS THAT YOU WOULD EVER CONSIDER CHANGING THAT ZONE. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC OUTDRY, NOBODY SUGGESTED OUT THAT THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED OVER. 
          THIS IS JUST SOMETHING YOU'VE COOKED UP THAT, THAT, BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF INDUSTRIAL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SMOKESTACK INDUSTRY, BUT IF I WANNA MANUFACTURE SOMETHING, UH, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO DO IT SOMEPLACE OUT THERE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S INNOCUOUS. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HURT ANYBODY. 
          AND UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU TURN AROUND, ALLOW THAT M TWO ZONING TO EXIST THAT I HAVE TO TRAVERSE TO GET TO MY PROPERTY. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT PLANNING. 
          IT'S POOR PLANNING. 
          I SUBMITTED A LETTER TO, TO THE FOLKS HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE READ IT OR WHETHER IT WAS, WAS, WAS GIVEN TO YOU. 
          I IT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          IT WAS DELIVERED TODAY. 
          AND IN THE TIME BEFORE THIS MEETING, I MADE SURE THAT I READ IT AS YOU REQUESTED AND A BLANKET PROHIBITION AGAINST EMPTY ZONING ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT IN BLADE, THE WOODLAWN AREA IS UNFAIR TO THOSE RESIDENTS. 
          AND IT, AND IT, AND IT, IT, UH, CERTAINLY COMPROMISES ANYBODY'S INVESTMENT THAT HAS M TWO ZONING AND PURCHASED IT FOR THAT REASON. 
          I, I, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, NO CONCERN HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE ACTUAL OWNERS. 
          IT'S, IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE THAT DOESN'T OWN IT SEEMS TO HAVE MORE SAY MORE RIGHTS TO MY PROPERTY THAN I NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO SAY THAT I'M VERY MUCH PROUD OF THE WORK THAT, THAT THIS TOWN BOARD AND THE PREVIOUS TOWN BOARD HAS DONE IN REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET INPUT TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF USES THEY WOULD LIKE IN THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          AS COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY MENTIONED, IF WE HAD DONE THIS WORK 18 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD BE FAR BETTER OFF. 
          AND WE'VE GIVEN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING. 
          AND RIGHT UP UNTIL NOW, OUR PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY AS RESIDENTS, AS BUSINESS OWNERS TO LET US KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU THINK. 
          AND WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON, ON REZONING. 
          IF THERE'S SPECIFIC CONCERNS AS WE OUTLINED TODAY WITH, WITH SOME FOLKS WHO MADE A STRONG CASE, WHY WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL INSTEAD OF C TWO. 
          WE'RE WILLING TO CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU, BUT I HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ACCUSATION 
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THAT WE AREN'T TRANSPARENT. 
          WE'VE GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          IT'S NOT EASY. 
          BUT WHILE I HAVE SO MANY FOLKS HERE, I, I MEAN THE NOTICE IS AN ISSUE. 
          IT'S COMPLICATED. 
          THOSE SBL NUMBERS ARE WRONG AND CONFUSING. 
          LOOKING AT A MAP AND THAT ORIENTATION IS TOUGH. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. 
          I'M SITTING HERE THINKING THAT, THAT MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE ON OUR NOTICES IS, IS A QR CODE THAT WOULD, WERE YOU GUYS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS? YEAH. 
          THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD LOOK TO SEE THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, THE MAPS, THE DESCRIPTION OF, OF THE, OF THE ZONING AT THE CLICK OF YOUR SMARTPHONE. 
          SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATING WHAT WE'RE UP TO AT THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT SO MANY PEOPLE CAME OUT TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER EIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON UH, PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. 
          NUMBER EIGHT. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS. 
          KAREN, SUPERVISOR, I WOULD JUST NOTE PROBABLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION ON THIS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, I'LL GET SOME DIRECTION SO WE CAN BEAR WHICH ONES WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WHICH ONES MAY NEED AMENDMENTS TO. 
          AND I REALIZE WE HEARD SOME THINGS TONIGHT ABOUT AMENDING SOME OF THE PROPOSALS. 
          THAT IS FINE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT IS ABOUT. 
          BUT I WON'T, WON'T BE READY TO PROBABLY MOVE AT THE NINE 11 MEETING, BUT I'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO SAY WHICH ONES WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH AND WHICH ONES WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER MAKING AMENDMENTS TO. 
          WE HEARD SOME GREAT POINTS TONIGHT ABOUT MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED ZONING. 
          WE GOT PEOPLE OUT TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S GOOD TO GET THAT INPUT. 
          SO JUST FOR FOLKS WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR MR. RILEY, IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT THESE, UH, REZONINGS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING. 
          WE HAVE A MEETING LATER IN THE MONTH. 
          SEPTEMBER. 
          WE GO BACK TO OUR TWO MEETINGS PER MONTH SCHEDULE. 
          THE SECOND MEETING WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 25TH. 
          THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETINGS THAT ARE ALWAYS ON MONDAY NIGHTS ARE POSTED, UH, IS IT THURSDAY AFTERNOON CLERK OR TUESDAY, FRIDAY, THURSDAY AT THE LATEST FRIDAY WE TRY. 
          WE, WE TRY AND WE'RE OFTEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THOSE AGENDAS UP ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON. 
          SOMETIMES, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON, WE DON'T GET 'EM UP UNTIL FRIDAY MORNING. 
          BUT THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE. 
          SO IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THESE ISSUES, TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDAS THAT ARE POSTED ON FRIDAY AND YOU'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THESE ITEMS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT ARE MANIFEST OUT POST OFFICE HERE, ARE THOSE ALSO POSTED ON THERE? THE AGENDA? YES, THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          WE MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE ALREADY. 
          YES, BE RESOLVED. 
          THE HAMRICK TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS FOLLOWS, REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING JUNE 26TH, 2023 AND THE REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING. 
          JULY 17TH, 2023. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN C****R FOR A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCC CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          RESOLVED THE HEMBRY TOWN BOARD IS HEREBY APPROVE THE REQUEST OF LAKE SHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY THAT THE NEW MEMBERS AS FOLLOWS. 
          TYLER BECK HORN, JASON JURICH AND JOE PATTISON. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL. 
          LORENZO FAVORABLY SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE PAF AS FOLLOWS. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COME FOR A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCC COUNTY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR TO SIGN BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS CARE. 
          WHEREAS TOM AND ASPHALT INC. 
          IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE TOWN OF HAMMER FOR THE PAVING OF THE TOWN GOLF COURSE PROJECT AND WHEREAS DUE TO UNFORESEEABLE SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS APPROXIMATELY 12,517 SQUARE FEET PARKING LOT REQUIRED EXTRA MILLING AND ADDITIONAL MATERIAL TO BE INSTALLED THEREFORE BE RESOLVED WITH SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE FOR THIS PROJECT, PROVING THE TIME AND MATERIALS FOR ADDITIONAL MILLING AND PAVING STORM LINE INSTALLATION AND CONNECTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $30,560 AND 45 CENTS. 
          COST OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE CHARGED TO H 0 2 1 7 2 5 0 3 CAPITAL PROJECT. 
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SECOND. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCC. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL LORENZO IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THE PLUMBING AND SITE UTILITY WORK CONDUCTED IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SHALL BE PERFORMED ONLY BY A DULY LICENSED PLUMBER AND A LICENSED MASTER PLUMBER, JOURNEYMAN PLUMBER OR SITE UTILITY CONTRACTOR. 
          EMPLOYING PLUMBERS SHALL BE PRESENT AT ALL TIMES WHEN WORK IS BEING PERFORMED ON ANY PREMISE WITHIN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          WHEREAS SECTION 76 DASH 24 OF THE TOWN CODE OR AUTHORIZES THE TOWN BOARD TO DESIGNATE A TOWN PLUMBING LICENSE EXAMINER FOR PROVIDING TESTING AND REVIEW OF APPLICATION COLLECTING FEES, ADMINISTERING PROCTORING AND SCORING OF TEST RESULTS. 
          THE EXAMINATIONS ARE, ARE BE HELD IN THE MONTHS OF JUNE AND DECEMBER. 
          THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT ALAN HERBERGER 1 2 1 PIN OAK DRIVE WILLIAMSVILLE, NEW YORK 1 4 2 2 1 BE DESIGNATED AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLUMBING LICENSE EXAMINER. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION MAY COUNCIL MEMBER CU FOR A SECOND MAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CON ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          A OPPOSED AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS PROSPECT LAW AND CEMETERY ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED LY OPERATES PROSPECT LAW AND CEMETERY LOCATED AT 65 61 GOWANUS STATE ROUTE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS PROVIDED TO TOWN RESIDENTS BY THE PROSPECT ONE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED AND WHEREAS GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, SO SECTION 1 65 DASH A PROVIDES THAT ANY MUNICIPAL CORPORATION MAY APPROPRIATE AND PROVIDE FUNDING TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE 15 OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION LAW. 
          IN LIEU OF OR IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING FUNDING TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION, ANY MUNICIPAL CORPORATION MAY PROVIDE GOODS AND OR SERVICES TO A PUBLIC CEMETERY CORPORATION IS DEFINED. 
          FIND ARTICLE 15 OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION LAW AND WHEREAS TOM'S WILLING TO ASSIST PROSPECT LAW TO SEE THESE PROGRAMS CONTINUE NOW THEREFORE WE RESOLVED WITH DUN P. 
          RENEW THE AGREEMENT WITH PROSPECT LAW AND CEMETERY ASSOCIATION TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND FUNDING AND MONTHLY INSTALLMENTS OF $1,800 TO MENING AND SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023 THROUGH AUGUST 31ST, 2025 THE AGREEMENT SHALL TERMINATE ON AUGUST 31ST, 2025 UNLESS A SUCCESSOR AGREEMENT IS MADE AND EXECUTED BEFORE THE TERMINATION DATE. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M ALL FAVORABLE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          RESOLVE THE TOWN BOARD CAPTAIN TODD ETT. 
          WE SIGNED THE 2023 F-B-I-L-E-D-A SUPERVISORY LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE IN PAYSVILLE, OHIO FROM SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH. 
          2023 TO FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH. 
          2023. 
          UH, COSTS ARE AS FOLLOW $605 FOR LODGING. 
          $795 FOR REGISTRATION. 
          $300 FOR MEALS WITH THE TOTAL COST OF $1,700 WHEREAS USE OF THE UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION IS REQUESTED. 
          MONIES AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT FEE. 
          3 1 2 0 0.492 SEMINARS AND DEPARTMENT TRAINING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER POE SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FER. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGN BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOLLOWING THE PURCHASE OF ALL STREETLIGHTS WITHIN THE TOWN IS NEARING COMPLETION OF THE LED CONVERSION PROJECT AND WHEREAS THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF ALL STREETLIGHTS FOLLOWING THE PURCHASE BUT HAS BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THE MAINTENANCE NEEDS AS PART OF THE LED CONVERSION PROJECT AND WHEREAS THE TOWN WILL BE BIDDING OUT A LONG-TERM CONTRACT FOR MAINTENANCE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, HOWEVER, THE PROCESS RUNNING LONG TERM CONTRACTOR WILL TAKE PLACE AND THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERFORM MAINTENANCE ONCE A PROJECT IS COMPLETE. 
          AND WHEREAS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A UNIT PRICE LIST FROM POWER AND CONSTRUCTION GROUP, THE CONTRACTOR PERFORMING THE LED CONVERSION FOR SHORT TERM AND EMERGENCY STREETLIGHT MAINTENANCE NEEDS PER THE SUBMITTED PRICING TABLE THEREFORE BEING RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AUTHORIZE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO DIRECT P AND CG TO PERFORM STREETLIGHT MAINTENANCE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS UNDER THE AVAILABLE 2023 STREETLIGHT REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET ACCOUNT AS L THE 5 1 8. 
          IS THIS THE ONE THAT NEEDED TO BE AMENDED? THANK YOU. 
          UM, MAINTENANCE BUDGET ACCOUNT SL 5 82 0.0460 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE CONTRACT IS IN PLACE. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CON ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SIGNING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRY. 
          WHEREAS THE TOWN HAM CURRENTLY OWNS AND MAINTAINS THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM WHICH CARRIES STORM STORMWATER FROM CLOVER BANK ROAD, CHAR AVENUE AND GLENDALE AVENUE AND WHEREAS A DRAINAGE SYSTEM OUTFALLS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY LOCATED ON TAX PARCEL 
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NUMBER 1 6 9 1 9 1 DASH 20 12 1, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY JAMES C. TRAVIS, BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD AGREES TO ENTER AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT TO ACCEPT A 15 FOOT WIDE BY APPROXIMATELY 250 FOOT WIDE LONG PERMANENT STORM STRUCTURE DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALONG THE NORTHEASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PARCEL. 
          BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT A CERTIFIED COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION BE PROVIDED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR TRANSMITTAL TO ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL LAUREN. 
          SO ALL IN FAVOR IF PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN CLERK IS AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR SEALED BIDS ENTITLED 18 MILE CREEK GOLF COURSE. 
          IRRIGATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          SEALED SEPARATE BIDS WILL BE RECEIVED AT TOWN HALL AT HAMBURG TOWN HALL TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5 AND SAID BID WILL BE PUBLICLY OPENED AND READ ALOUD ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH IN CONFERENCE ROOM SEVEN AV DOWNSTAIRS AT 3:00 PM MAIL BIDS SHOULD BE SENT TO TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          CLEARLY MARKED ATTENTION TOWN CLERK BID IT CLOSED. 
          18 MILE CREEK GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION. 
          6,100 SOUTH PARK AVE. 
          HAMBURG, NEW YORK. 
          1 4 0 7 5. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KINDLY SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CURU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          BE RESOLVED AS THE TOWN CLERK IS AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR SEAL BIDS ENTITLED WILLIAMS D WILLIAMS PARK STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT PLAN SEALED SEPARATE BIDS WILL BE RECEIVED AT TOWN TOWN HALL, TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE CAM, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5 AND SAID BID WILL BE PUBLICLY OPENED AND READ ALLOWED ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH IN CONFERENCE ROOMS. SEVEN AB DOWNSTAIRS AT 11:00 AM MAIL BIDS SHOULD BE SENT TO TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          CLEARLY MARKED ATTENTION TOWN CLERK BID IT CLOSED. 
          WILLIAMS D WILLIAMS PARK STORM DRAINAGE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE CAMP NEW YORK. 
          1 4 0 7 5. 
          SO MOVED SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL OL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED WITH THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO PROVE THE PURCHASE OF ONE WESTERN STAR PLOW TRUCK FOR THE PRICE OF $270,782. 
          PRICING IS PER OUS COUNTY MUNICIPAL BID PURCHASED THROUGH FIRST FLEET MAINTENANCE INCORPORATED AND BODY ADDITIONS AND VALLEY FAB AND EQUIPMENT FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 1 0 1 0.513 0.201. 
          SO MOVED SECOND. 
          MOST OF MY COUNCIL MEMBER FER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KA. 
          ALL IN FAVORABLY SIGNIFY BY SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          EXTENSIONS CARRIED IT. 
          RESOLVE THAT TOM CLERK IS AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR SEAL BIDS ENTITLED STREET LIGHTING MAINTENANCE AND EMERGENCY REPAIR SERVICE. 
          CONTRACT SEALED SEPARATE BIDS WILL BE RECEIVED AT HAMMER TOWN HALL TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE HAMMER, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5 AND SAID BID WILL BE PUBLICLY OPENED AND READ ALOUD ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH IN CONFERENCE ROOM SEVEN AB DOWNSTAIRS AT 2:00 PM MAIL BIDS SHOULD BE SENT TO TOWN OF HAMBURG, CLEARLY MARKED ATTENTION TOWN CLERK BID ENC CLOSE STREET LIGHTING MAINTENANCE AND EMERGENCY REPAIR. 
          6,100 SOUTH PARK AVE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK. 
          1 4 0 7 5. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER RESOM IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULES A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 12 20 23. 
          THIS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW WILL AMEND CHAPTER TWO 80 OF THE ZONING CODE OF TOWN OF HAMBURG BY ADDING A NEW ARTICLE ENTITLED ADULT USE CANNABIS. 
          YOUR HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. 
          CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS PRIOR TO ACCEPTING THE POSITION AS ASSESSMENT CLERK STEPHANIE SCOTT HAD PLANS TO BE OUT OF TOWN FOR THE WEEKS OF EIGHT 14 TO EIGHT 18 IN NOVEMBER, 2020. 
          SECOND, AS NEW EMPLOYEE STEPHANIE HAS YET TO ACCUMULATE ANY PAID TIME OFF IT'S REQUESTED HEREIN DEFINITELY BE GRANTED AN UNPAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR THE PERIODS ABOVE REFERENCED. 
          THEREFORE BE RESOLVED WITH JOHN BOARD. 
          APPROVE UNPAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR STEPHANIE SCOTT ON AUGUST 18TH THROUGH AUGUST 14TH THROUGH AUGUST 18TH, 2023 AND NOVEMBER 20TH THROUGH 22ND. 
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2023. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HALL, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CUMING. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          YOU RESOLVE THE BOARD OF PROOF DETERMINATION IN HIRING OF THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEE IN THE BUILDINGS GROUNDS DEPARTMENT AS LISTED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*****G. 
          ALL IN FAVOR BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? A DETENTIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE RESIGNATION OF RAYMOND TERMINATE CLERK TO TOWN JUSTICE GERALD P GOMAN. 
          EFFECTIVE AUGUST 16TH, 2023. 
          SO, MOTION. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FEL SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER . 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURGERS REQUIRED TO CONDUCT POST CLOSURE GROUNDWATER AND SURFACE WATER SAMPLING AT THE HAMBURG LANDFILL LOCATED AT THE HIGHWAY GARAGE PROPERTY ON LAKEVIEW ROAD EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE PREVIOUS SAMPLING AND REPORT WAS COMPLETE IN 2018 AND THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION HAS CONTACTED THE TOWN TO REMIND THEM THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE END OF 2023. 
          AND WHEREAS THE GHD PERFORMED THE 2018 MONITORING AND HAS PROVIDED THE ATTACHED PROPOSAL TO COMPLETE THE 2023 WORK AND PROVIDE THE TOWN WITH A DETAILED REPORT TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEC THEREFORE BE RESOLVED. 
          THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AUTHORIZES A SUPERVISOR TO SIGN AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH GHD AND AUTHORIZES GHD TO PERFORM THE 2023 LANDFILL ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING FOR A NOT TO EXCEED FEE OF $11,000 FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT DB 504 4 0 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CU ALL FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? EXTENSIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED AS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED DETERMINATION IN HIRING OF PERSONNEL FOR THE YOUTH, THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES AS PER THE ATTACHMENT SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY SECOND MAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FAR LAUREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR TO SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS CARRIER. 
          WHEREAS THE BOARD HAS APPROVED VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED AS CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE AGE FUND AND WHEREAS THE VARIOUS AGE FUNDS NEED TO BE FUNDED, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED, THE BOARD APPROVES A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO VARIOUS CAPITAL PROJECTS ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED. 
          GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS WILL BE FROM PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCES IN RELATED BOARD RESOLUTIONS. 
          IF NO FUNDING SOURCE WAS IDENTIFIED, THE TRANSFER WILL BE FROM GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE. 
          ONCE THE BUDGET TRANSFERS ARE COMPLETE, A D 10 LISTED WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE SUPERVISOR. 
          H 1 0 2 CLOCK TOWER 2019 STORM REPAIR, H 1 0 3 WILLIAMS PARK, LAKE SHORE LITTLE LEAGUE H 1 0 4 HIGHWAY GARAGE, H 1 0 5 TOWN HALL 80 D EIGHT BATHROOM H 1 0 6 CLARK OF MCGINLEY, PROJECT H 1 0 7 NIKE BASIN SKATE PARK GRANT, H 1 0 8 TOWN HALL PAVING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS LIKE WE SAVE, WE SAVED PUBLIC EXPRESSION TO, TO THE VERY END OF THE MEETING PUBLIC. 
          NO. 
          AFTER THE MEETING WE GO TO PUBLIC EXPRESSION. 
          WHEREAS LAKE AVENUE C TWO 200 A MAIN ARTERIAL IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURGER IS A COUNTY ROAD CONNECTING MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND SOUTH PARK AVENUE WITH THE SPEED LIMIT OF 45 MILES PER HOUR POSTED 40 MILES PER HOUR. 
          AND WHEREAS THERE HAVE BEEN MOTOR VEHICLE FAT FATALITIES IN THIS AREA OF LAKE AVENUE POST RECENTLY APRIL 4TH, 2023. 
          AND WHEREAS ON APRIL 10TH, 2023 THE HAM TOWN BOARD PASSED A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THAT THE COUNTY OF ING CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY TO ASSESS A REDUCTION IN SPEED LIMIT ON THE AFOREMENTIONED PART OF LAKE AVENUE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          AND WHEREAS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECEIVED THE RESULTS OF THE COUNTY SPEED STUDY ASSISTANCE REQUEST ATTACHED TIER TWO WHEREIN THE DATA PROVIDED RECOMMENDS REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT ON LAKE AVENUE 2 35 MILES PER HOUR. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED WITH THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD, AUTHORIZE THE REDUCTION OF SPEED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPEED LIMIT RECOMMENDED BY THE ERIE COUNTY SPEED STUDY ASSISTANCE REPORT 2 35 MILES PER HOUR AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVE WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR SHALL GENERATE AND FORWARD THE REQUIRED CERTIFIED COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT UPON RECEIPT OF THE REQUIRED SIGN PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR WILL GENERATE THE NECESSARY WORK ORDERS FOR THE PLACEMENT OF SIGNS TO THE TOWN 
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BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT AS APPROPRIATE. 
          THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT DB 0.511 0.005 SIGNS AND SIGNALS. 
          SO MOVED. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER RE I WILL OFFER A SECOND AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION. 
          UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO CHANGE DB FIVE HUNDRED TEN FIVE TO DB FIVE HUNDRED TEN TWO FIVE. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER LORENZO IN FAVOR PLEASE BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? CARRIED ABSTENTIONS. 
          AND THEN ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, UM, WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          DO YOU WANNA MAKE, DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE SAME AMENDMENT IN THE NEXT ONE? YEAH. 
          WHEREAS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM A VILLAGE OF BLAZO RESIDENT REQUESTING THE PLACEMENT OF AN IMPROVED CHILD SIGN IN THE M-U-T-C-D ESTABLISHED VICINITY OF THE RESIDENCE LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE. 
          AND WHEREAS THE PARENT SLASH GUARDIAN OF THE IMPAIRED CHILD HAS COMPLETED THE PROPER APPLICATION OF SUPPLIED MEDICAL DOCUMENTATION AND PROOF OF RESIDENCE AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD HAS CONSIDERED ALL OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND HAS VOTED TO REQUEST THAT AN AUTISTIC CHILD SIGN BE ERECTED AND MAINTAINED AT THE LOCATION CITED IN THE APPLICATION AND NOTED ABOVE. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES A SIGN TO BE INSTALLED AS REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND AS ABOVE INDICATED AND BE A FURTHER RESULT THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TRAFFIC SAFETY COORDINATOR SHALL GENERATE THE REQUIRED WORK ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED. 
          FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT DB 0.511 0.205 SIGNS AND SIGNALS SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS ON JULY 20TH, 2020, THE HAVED TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE AND ADVERTISE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS RFP FOR FOOD PANTRY SERVICES VIA CDBG CARES ACT FUNDS IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 CRISIS. 
          AND WHEREAS ON AUGUST 31ST, 2020, SAINTS PETERS AND PAUL OUTREACH AND FEED HAM WERE AWARDED CARES ACT FUNDING FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          AND WHEREAS ST. 
          PETERS AND PAUL OUTREACH CONTINUES TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR ELIGIBLE TOWN RESIDENTS PERTAINING TO FOOD PANTRY SERVICES AS WELL AS OTHER ALLOWABLE SERVICES TO INCOME ELIGIBLE PERSONS NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ENTER INTO AN ADDITIONAL CONTRACT WITH ST. 
          PETER AND PAUL OUTREACH TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES FOR THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY UTILIZING CARES ACT ONE FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FILL SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS ON JUNE 20TH, 2023, THE HAM TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE AND ADVERTISE A BID FOR THE 2023 VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE CDBG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT ON MARTIN AVENUE AND WHEREAS THE BIDS WERE OPENED ON AUGUST 9TH, 2023 AT 11:00 AM WITH THE FOLLOWING FIRMS SUBMITTING BIDS SLASH PRICES. 
          BUFFALO ASPHALT MILLING CORPORATION 145,000 E AND R GENERAL CONSTRUCTION AND COMPANY $168,944 7 1 6 SITE CON CONTRACTING INCORPORATED $179,973 HURST CONSTRUCTION $181,620 THOMAN ASPHALT PAVING $192,982 ANASTASIA TRUCKING AND PAVING 199,000 THOUSAND $84 LOUIS DELL PRINCE AND SONS INCORPORATED $212,951 AND NORTHEAST DIVERSIFICATION INCORPORATED $219,120 AND DOUBLE A SERVICES $277,275 AND 19 CENTS. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH BUFFALO ASPHALT MILLING CORPORATION TO COMPLETE THE CDBG PORTION OF THE 2023 VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE MARTIN AVENUE PROJECT 
          [03:55:01]
FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $124,524 FOR THE CDBG PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS IN ACCOUNT CD 4 9 8 6 6 2 0.354. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CAROL LAUREN. 
          SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER IN FAVOR PLEASE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS DIRECTOR OF FINANCES REQUEST AN ADDIT FULL-TIME POSITION TO BE ADDED TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, THE VOLUME OF WORK AND DEMANDS OF THE DEPARTMENT JUSTIFIED THE SAME. 
          THEREFORE WE HAVE RESOLVED THAT THE DOWN BOARD APPROVES THE CREATION OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMPETITIVE JUNIOR ACCOUNTANT POSITION IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          THE POSITION WILL BE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL AND THEY WILL BE FUNDED BY A 1310 AND BE A FURTHER RESULT DOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE SUPERVISOR TO SIGN SECTION A WITH PO 17 FOR THE CREATION OF THE UHFO MENTIONED POSITION. 
          SO SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CONLEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THE RFP FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE TO PREPARE THE HAMBURG WOODLAWN GATEWAY BOA NOMINATION WAS ISSUED IN THE N-Y-S-C-R ON 3 3 23 WITH A DUE DATE OF 4 17 23. 
          AND WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM FIVE FIRMS AND WHEREAS IN 5 25 23 THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MET TO REVIEW THE PROPOSALS AND EACH MEMBER SCORED THEM INDEPENDENTLY. 
          ON 7 18 23, THE TOP THREE FIRMS WERE INTERVIEWED BY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND WHEREAS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEW ON 7 18 23, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THE APPLICANT'S BASED ON THE APPROVED CRITERIA AND SELECTED FISHER ASSOCIATES OF THE FIRM THAT WAS BEST FIT TO PREPARE THE HAMBURG WOODLAND GATEWAY BROWNFIELD OPPORTUNITY AREA NOMINATION. 
          NOW THEREFORE WE HAVE RESOLVED THE HAM TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED SUPERVISOR ENTERED AN AGREEMENT WITH FISHER ASSOCIATES AS PER NEW YORK STATE DOS REGULATIONS AND BEING FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL DESIGNATE EECG CONSULTING LLC TO WORK WITH A SELECTED CONSULTING NEW N-Y-S-D-O-S AND MANAGE THE PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. 
          SO MOVED SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER REZO IN FAVORABLY SIGN BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ABSTENTION, THE TOWN OF HENRY RECEIVED REQUEST FROM JEFFREY ZIMMER TO REZONE 0.7 ACRES OF LAND SB NUMBER 1 6 0 8 2 6 6 8 6 8 1 6 8 1 6, 8 13 AND ONE 16 D ZERO EIGHT DASH TWO DASH FIVE LOCATED AT 35 20 ABBO ROAD, 51 20 STEWART ROAD AND VACANT PARCELS ON ICK ROAD FROM R TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT TO C ONE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 5,700 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          AND WHERE AS THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAD CONCERNS FOUND ENOUGH MAYOR IN THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT TO SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO BEGIN THE PROCESS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED. 
          THE HAMMER TOWN BOARD HEREBY ENTERTAINS WITH CONCERNS THIS REZONING REQUEST AND REFERS THE APPLICATION REZONING TO SEE ONE TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE FURTHER RESOLVED. 
          THE AMBER TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ASK ACT AS LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENT EQUALITY REVIEW ACT HEREBY AUTHORIZE THE LENDING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE MAILINGS AND COMPLETE THE REQUIRED COUNTY REFERRAL. 
          SO SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CU ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING A SIGN AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTION CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THE TOWN OF FAMILY RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM A RR HOLDINGS LLC TO REZONE 6.88 ACRES OF A 13 POINT 12 ACRE PARCEL OF VACANT LAND AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOWARD ROAD AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT TO R THREE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE TWO STORY 12 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          AND WHEREAS CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT ENOUGH MERIT RESUMING OF THIS PROPERTY TO MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT TO CENTER TO THE TOWN BOARD TO BEGIN THE PROCESS NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE MB TOWN BOARD HEREBY ENTERTAINS US FOR ZONING REQUEST AND REFERS THE APPLICATION REZONING TO R THREE, TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE MB TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND HEREBY AUTHORIZE THIS LENDING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE MAILINGS AND TO COMPLETE THE REQUIRED COUNTY  GENERALLY MOTION ON THE FLOOR SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNTY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? 
          [04:00:01]
YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU . 
          WHEREAS THE ACCESSING THE LIBRARY'S COLLECTION AND ATTENDING PROGRAMS AND MAKING USE OF MEETING SPACES ARE PRIORITIES FOR ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PROGRAMMING, ATTENDANCE, VISITOR ACCOUNTS AND THE USE OF THE COMMUNITY ROOM BY NONPROFITS HAVE ALL INCREASED, ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF THE PANDEMIC. 
          AND WHEREAS THE CURRENT CONDITION IN THE PARKING LOT IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY OF THE BUILDING HAS BECOME A MAJOR CONCERN. 
          IT BECOMES RISKY, ESPECIALLY DURING WINTER MONTHS WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS TO CONTEND WITH ICE AND SNOW AND IT ESPECIALLY AFFECTS THOSE WITH DISABILITIES AND HAS DISCOURAGED SOME OF THE, OUR PATRONS FROM USING THE LIBRARY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE STATE AID FOR LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM PROVIDES 50% MATCHING GRANTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PUBLIC LIBRARY IS REQUESTING $43,750 FROM THE STATE AID FOR LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. 
          AND IF THE GRANT IS SUCCESSFUL, $43,750 FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO REPAIR THE PARKING LOT FOR THE IMPROVED ACCESSIBILITY TO THE BUILDING. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED EECG CONSULTING LLC TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION TO THE STATE AID FOR LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE GRANT IS AWARDED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL COMMIT TO THE PROJECT MATCH IN FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE TOWN OF HAMPER WILL DESIGNATE EECG CONSULTING LLC TO MANAGE THE PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. 
          SO MOVED SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CU FOR SECOND BY COUNCIL. 
          ALL IN FAVOR J BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN CLERK IS AUTHORIZED TO ADVERTISE FOR SEAL BIDS ENTITLED BURKE ROAD PARK PARKING LOT PROJECT SEAL BIDS WILL BE RECEIVED AT AMBER TOWN HALL TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK, 1 4 0 7 5 AND SAID BID WILL BE PUBLICLY OPENED AND READ ALOUD ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH IN CONFERENCE ROOM SEVEN AB DOWNSTAIRS AT 11:30 AM MAIL BIDS SHOULD BE SET TO TOWN OF HAMBURG, CLEARLY MARKED ATTENTION. 
          TOWN CLERK BID ENC CLOSE BURKE ROAD PARK PARKING LOT PROJECT 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN C*M. 
          ALL IN FAVOR DO SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          EXTENSIONS CARRIED WHEREAS THE TOWN OF THE HAMPTON OH THIS IS. 
          YES. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE A FORMAL MOTION TO TABLE, KEVIN? YES. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. 
          CAN WE DO 'EM ALL AT ONCE? MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, ITEMS 36, 37 AND 38 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FERRELL LOREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          AYE. 
          THE TOWNS INDEPENDENT ALLIED CPAS PC HAVE COMPLETED THEIR AUDIT, THE TOWNS 2022 FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ATTACHED HERE TO FOR THE TOWN OF HAND JUSTICE COURT AND WHEREAS SECTION 2 0 19 20 19 A OF UNIFORM JUSTICE COURT ACT REQUIRES THE TOWN JUSTICE ANNUALLY PROVIDE THE COURT RECORDS AND DOCKETS FOR AUDIT BY THE TOWN AND THAT SUCH RECORDS THEN BE EXAMINED OR ROGER AND THAT FACT BE UNDER IN MINUTES OF THE BOARD'S PROCEEDINGS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED. 
          THE REQUIRED AUDITS CONDUCTED WITH JOHN  JUSTICE COURT FOR THE YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2022 AND A COPY OF THE HONOR ALONG WITH THIS BOARD RESOLUTION BE SENT TO THE NEW STATE UNIFIED COURT. 
          SO SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ALL IN FAVOR SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTION CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG OWNS THE ASSETS OF THE MOUNT VERNON SEWER DISTRICT AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND WHEREAS THE SEWER DISTRICT CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT WET WEATHER CAPACITY ISSUES AND IS CURRENTLY UNDER A NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION ORDER AND CONSENT FOR THE ABATEMENT OF SANITARY SEWER OVER FALLS. 
          AND WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL SUBMIT THE MOUNT VERNON SANITARY SEWER PROJECT FOR FUNDING TO THE NEW YORK STATE, WIIA CLEAN WATER GRANT PROGRAM TO REPAIR SOURCES OF EXTRANEOUS INFLOWS, INFILTRATION, ELIMINATE SSOS, AND ULTIMATELY CONSOLIDATE THE MOUNT VERNON SANITARY SEWER DISTRICT WITH THE ERIE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT NUMBER THREE. 
          NOW THEREFORE IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS, THE AMBERG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES EDCG CONSULTING LLC TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL FACILITIES CORPORATIONS PORTAL AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT IF A GRANT IS AWARDED, THE TOWN OF AMBER WILL COMMIT TO THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE TOWN OF AMBER WILL DESIGNATE EECG CONSULTING LLC TO ACT GRANT ADMINISTRATOR ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF HANDBOOK. 
          SO SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GERALD. 
          LOREN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A. 
          AYE. 
          [04:05:01]
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? UH, CARRIED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, OFFER A SO AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS. 
          DO YOU HAVE THAT? THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TOM BOARD AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS DATED AUGUST 14TH, 2023 TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENT SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT $3,670,613 AND 55 CENTS. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE. 
          SECOND FOR BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A OPPOSED? CARRIED. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO OFFER A LATE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE APPOINTING OF COURT COURT CLERK. 
          SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M IN FAVOR BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          WHEREAS THAT UPON THE RESIGNATION OF THE COURT CLERK ASSIGNED TO TOWN JUSTICE JARED GORMAN VACANCY, THE OFFICE OF COURT CLERK EXISTS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED. 
          THE HANG TOWN BOARD UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF JUSTICE GORMAN HEREBY APPOINTS HEATHER GOULD TO THE OFFICE OF COURT CLERK ASSIGNED TO TOWN JUSTICE DRUG GORDON. 
          EFFECTIVE AUGUST 21ST. 
          2023. 
          SO MOVE SECOND. 
          WE HAVE THE MOTION BY SUPERVISOR HO. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER C*M. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED. 
          COME ON UP HERE, WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE. 
          WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HEATHER TO HAMBURG. 
          TEAM. 
          WELCOME TO HAMBURG. 
          HEATHER COMES TO US WITH SOME, WITH SOME, SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR THE STATE AS WELL AS THE FRONTIER. 
          DO YOU WEAR HEELS AT AN OKAY. 
          THAT CONCLUDES BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. 
          AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS MOVE BRINGS US TO, UH, A PUBLIC EXPRESSION. 
          SO IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN WITH A HAND RAISED IN THE BACK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, PLEASE TRY TO KEEP IT TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD, TOWN BOARD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UNITED COUNCIL TAXPAYER, UH, OF PEN. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MR. COUNTY. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, OF OUR GAS AND REFUGE OR GARBAGE AND, UH, REFUGE, UM, DEALS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN HAMBURG. 
          YOU ONLY HAVE TWO PROVIDERS. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT I BROUGHT MY BILLS THAT YOU, OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS, ALL THE PRICES HAVE BEEN FLUCTUATED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS, DIFFERENT PRICES FROM THESE TWO PROVIDERS. 
          MINE WENT FROM 99, 23 BACK IN 20, EARLY 22 TO 111 RECENTLY. 
          AND I JUST NEGOTIATED AND CALLED AND HAD IT LOWER. 
          BUT, UH, TO MY MAY, I TOLD OTHER RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE GOT A BETTER RATE THAN I HAVE. 
          SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BETTER NEGOTIATORS THAN I WAS. 
          BUT, UM, IT, SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE BOTH THE PROVIDERS ARE, ARE ALL MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PRICES. 
          UH, THE HIGHEST I SAW WERE $680 A YEAR AS LOW AS $88 PER QUARTER. 
          SO THAT'S A REAL BIG FLUCTUATION. 
          SO MY ASK IS, YEARS AGO, UM, 17, 18 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE AND I THINK IT WAS TRYING TO NEGOTIATE IT. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS A VOTE. 
          AND MR YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT THAT WAS 18 WHATEVER YEARS AGO, ACTUALLY 25 YEARS. 
          AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 
          COST OF LIVING HAS GONE UP. 
          UTILITIES, GAS, FOOD, HOUSING, COAL IS TERRIBLE. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY BAD, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN ALL OF OUR AREAS. 
          BUT IN THE TOWN I'VE EVEN NEGOTIATED, UH, THAT PRICE, WHICH I COULD HANDLE. 
          BUT I LOOKED AT THE BUFFALO NEWS, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A A, AN AREA WHICH I NEGOTIATED A SENIOR RATE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, CALL 'EM. 
          THEY'RE GIVING 'EM TO, I GOT A HALF OF WHAT I WAS PAID. 
          SO, I MEAN, I WANNA, I WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE TOWN BOARD IS A BETTER VOICE IN ALL ALL OF THIS THAN I DO. 
          SO I'M ASKING IF THE POSSIBLE GET BACK TO THE TABLE AND NEGOTIATE WITH ONE OR BOTH FOR PROVIDERS ON A RATE THAT THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RESIDENTS CAN TANDEM. 
          UH, BE IT FLAT RATE, BE IT A TAX THING. 
          I THINK THE, THOSE YOU HAVE OR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS MAINTAINS THEIR, THEIR, UM, GARBAGE AND REFUGE AND SO, AND ALL THAT. 
          [04:10:01]
IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A COST THAT WAS WOULD REQUIRE. 
          UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT MY ASK IS, IS WE CAN GET BACK TO MR. COUNTY. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND, UH, PLEASE KNOW, SIR, THAT THAT HAS BEEN APPRECIATED. 
          A LOT OF THE PEOPLE MAY NOTE THAT YOU DID REACH OUT AND YOU, I GUESS WORKING ON SURE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, I HEARD THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION. 
          I ALSO WANNA, UH, SAY CONGRATULATIONS. 
          I DIDN'T DO A LAST MEETING ON YOUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE EXTENSION FOR THE SENIOR SECTOR. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A STOCK, IT'S NOT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT. 
          I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A THREE YEAR EXTENSION, BUT AT LEAST A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I THINK IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I ASK IS REALLY IS THAT YOU COULD MAYBE GET BACK TO THE TABLE WITH THESE PROVIDERS AND SEE WHAT WE COULD WORK OUT. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE FLUCTUATING RATES. 
          I GOT A WOMAN'S ONE WOMAN IN FIXED INCOME, $640 A YEAR AND I'M ONLY MAKING 400 AND SOMEBODY'S PAYING LOWER OR LESS THAN 300 WAS THE LOWEST I SAW. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JENNIFER KOWSKI. 
          HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          I'M JENNIFER KAKI. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OFFICE. 
          UM, KEEP A BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S LATE. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          UH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THAT GENTLEMAN HAD INDICATED, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR A COMMUNITY AND MAYBE PUTTING SOME INFORMATION ON, ON A TOWN SITE, UH, REGARDING THOSE FLUCTUATIONS. 
          I CAN SAY FOR MY OWN SELF THAT I'VE GOTTEN A BILL, UH, ONE $7. 
          SO, UM, ALSO JUST OTHER COMMENTS. 
          UM, JUST LEARNING A LOT AND SEEING A LOT IN THE MEETING. 
          SO THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          SEEING ALL THE INSIGHT EVERYBODY HAD. 
          JUST A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS JUST SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA PLAY BACK OUR MEETINGS AND CAN HEAR THE INFORMATION IF THEY MISSED IT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT. 
          IF WE COULD JUST MAYBE MOVE THE MICROPHONE OR IF THAT'S FOR YOU, MAYBE ANOTHER ONE FOR THE SPEAKER SO IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO HEAR. 
          UM, ALSO, UM, AS FAR AS THE QR CODE, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA FOR TECHNOLOGY AND SOME OF US HAVE TO WORK ON A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN OTHERS LIKE MYSELF. 
          UM, BUT EVEN HAVING SOME INFORMATION ON THE TOWN SITE, UM, LIKE WITH THAT IN RELATION TO THOSE SBL L UM, I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT IN THE PROPERTIES, MAYBE HAVING A MAP OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS TECH SAVVY, LIKE MYSELF,  TO WORK ON IT. 
          UM, BUT THE OTHER THING, UM, MY SUBJECTIVE ON PERSONAL REASON. 
          I'M UP HERE AND I'M, UH, APPROACHING AND ASKING ALL OF YOU TODAY. 
          UM OH SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU MIND IF I SIDEWAYS? IS THAT OKAY? SURE. 
          UM, IS, I JUST WANT TO ASK, UM, THE BOARD THEMSELVES AS WELL AS EVEN WITH THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU COULD RALLY SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS. 
          CAUSE FOR OUR OFFICE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OFFICE FOR THE TIME WE WENT A FEW TIMES WAS KIND ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT AND, UH, BUDGET AND PAY FOR, UH, THIS OFFICE AS A SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO USE SERVICE STA BUT THIS IS KIND UNEXPECTED, UH, TIMEFRAME. 
          BUT, UH, WE HAVE SOME IMMINENT NEEDS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE UNDERGOING SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS WITH SECURITY FOR OUR OFFICE. 
          KY I WOULD ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR, UH, REMARKS REGARDING YOUR CURRENT DUTIES, UH, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL POSITION. 
          OH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO SECURITY. 
          I UNDERSTAND, SIR. 
          I I JUST WANT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY OUT TO, I'M AFRAID I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU TO NOT GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT THE SECURITY OF OUR OFFICE. 
          SO I'M ASKING YOU TO RESTRAIN FROM CONTINUING DOWN THAT LINE. 
          WELL, AS A NEED THAT OUR OFFICE HAS, WHICH OTHER PEOPLE ASK FOR NEEDS TO WORK REQUEST. 
          I'M ASKING YOU TO STOP THE TAXES AND ALL I'M ASKING KAKI, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE RESERVED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THAT INCLUDES SECURITY AND PERSONNEL MATTERS. 
          AND YOU ARE BREACHING. 
          I KNOW IT AFFECTS THEM TOO. 
          YOU'RE BREACHING THAT BOUNDARY. 
          SIR, I'M ASKING YOU AND I'M ASKING YOU KINDLY AND RESPECTFULLY TO RESPECT WHAT I WANNA, I'M ASKING YOU TO GO TO THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND PLACE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'VE COMMUNICATION WITH MR AND YOU'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THIS NOT THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT, SIR, CAN I JUST PLEASE FINISH? NO. 
          WOULD THE COMMUNITY LIKE CLARIFY? I'M AFRAID MS. KOWSKI, THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF A COMMUNITY'S DECISION. 
          IT IS OUR JOB AS THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT MATTERS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE PRIVACY OF THE TOWN DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO SECURITY IN AND AROUND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS POLICE MATTERS ARE CONDUCTED IN THE APPROPRIATE VENUE. 
          AND THIS IS NOT IT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THE POLICE STEP AWAY FROM PODIUM EXPRESSION TIME. 
          I'M EXPRESSING MY 
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OPINION AS SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT . 
          HOWEVER, YOU ARE A TOWN EMPLOYEE AND THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY AND NOT, AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE, WHAT AM I VIOLATING? STEP AWAY TOWN. 
          WHAT THE TOWN SUPERVISOR'S DIRECTIVE TO STEP AWAY FROM THE PODIUM AND NOT DISCUSS THESE MATTERS, WHICH SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR A CONFIDENTIAL MEETING. 
          WHY DOES NOTHING BE CONFIDENTIAL? IF IT'S SECURITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY? COMMUNITY, BECAUSE YOU DO VERY SENSITIVE WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          RESPECT MS. KOWSKI. 
          AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE SIT DOWN. 
          I'M ASKING YOU TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO CONVEY. 
          WELL THEN IT'S DOCUMENTED THAT YOU ARE CITING ME AND TELLING ME THAT I CAN'T EXPRESS MYSELF. 
          THIS IS PUBLIC OPINION. 
          YOU'RE GOING AGAINST MY RIGHTS, YOU'RE GONNA MY RIGHT OF RESPECTING THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEY WANNA KNOW. 
          DOES THAT MATTER TO YOU? I MEAN, YOU'RE ON RECORD. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS. 
          YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'VE ASKED YOU TO PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS AND TAKE A SEAT. 
          LET IT BE NOTED THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE THREATENING THIS TERMINATION OF MY JOB AS YOU DID EARLIER, AND THEY HEARD IT. 
          AND YOU ALSO SET UP AN OFFICE WHERE YOUR ASSISTANT MARJORIE HEARD IT SO YOU CAN BE ON NOTICE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SUED, UNFAIR AND DISRESPECTFUL. 
          I'M TRYING TO UPDATE THE C ON A NEED THAT WE HAVE. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE FOR PUBLIC EXPRESSION? YES, MA'AM. 
          QUICK, I FROM I THINK I'M, DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET SOME, UH, PAPER DISPENSER IN THE ROOM HERE INSTEAD OF TO REACH PAPER TOWEL SOMETHING? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN GOING YEARS. 
          WE'LL SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ISSUE. 
           NOTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL CARE OF IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? YES, FINE. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I'M, UH, BRIAN HOL, DIRECTOR OF THE HAMBURG PUBLIC LIBRARY. 
          I JUST WANNA TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE TOM BOARD FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE, UH, LAKE LIBRARY AND GETTING THAT PARKING REHABILITATOR. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN DIRECTOR FOR SIX YEARS NOW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          AND, UH, I'M FULLY LAKE BRANCH LIBRARY. 
          UH, WHEN THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS APPOINT A LIBRARY AS A FULL-TIME BRANCH MANAGER. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING WE DID WAS INCREASE THE HOURS FOR 30 TO 40 HOURS. 
          UH, WE'VE SEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE ON CIRCULATION  NUMBERS IN OUR VISITOR ACCOUNTS. 
          SO GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE, WE MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND CERTAINLY A LOT SAFER. 
          UM, DO OTHER, OTHER PROJECTS DOWN THE ROAD IN MINE, WHICH I'VE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE BOARD REPUBLIC BUDGET. 
          LOOKS GREAT. 
          DID THE EXPANSION 10 YEARS AGO. 
          NOW IT'S TIME TO GET THE LINK, I BELIEVE. 
          SO THANK YOU AGAIN, VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU MR. RAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO BE HEARD? SO WE WILL GO TO, UH, REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          ACTUALLY, I WILL, UH, UH, ASK DEPARTMENT HEADS IF THEY HAVE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          IF NOT, IT IS ALMOST NINE 30. 
          I CAN BE VERY CLEAR ON BEHALF OF FOLKS, SUPERINTENDENT PUBLIC WORKS, KEN BE HERE AND ENGINEERING, WE PLAN TO PUT A LIST TOGETHER OF ALL THE PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE TOWN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY. 
          AND IT WILL SAVE US AN UPDATE ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY WITH THEIR STATUS AND GIVE THAT TO YOU IN AN UPCOMING MEETING AND HOPEFULLY QUARTERLY GOING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU, CAM. 
          IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. 
          WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF ON ANY FURTHER REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND GO TO, UH, REPORTS FROM THE BOARD COUNCIL MEMBER CAROL? UH, YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, COMMENT THAT IT WAS, UM, AN ENLIGHTENING AND GREAT EXPERIENCE. 
          WE INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAMMING THAT OCCURRED ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, UH, REGARDING CLARK AND AND MCKINLEY. 
          IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION TO BE PART OF. 
          AND I THINK WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE MR. BURDEN AND HIS TEAM, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY GIVING US DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THAT PROBLEMATIC AREA AND GAVE US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. 
          AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE BEEN HERE THIS EVENING WITH THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I, MR. MAHONEY, I, I, AND I KNOW MR. CONLEY'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS. 
          I I KNOW IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH OUR REFUSE COMPANY. 
          I KNOW I ALSO FEEL MANY, UM, CALLS AND I GET QUITE A FEW EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS AND I'VE ALSO CALLED TO TRY TO, UM, ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE, NOT ONLY WITH, WITH THE COST, BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME, UM, CONCERNS WITH INCONSISTENCY IN THE SERVICE LEVEL TOO. 
          SO I DO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          AND THEN JUST FINALLY, MR. HOFF, UM, AS, 
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AS SOMEONE WHO TOOK THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN TO THE, UH, LAKESHORE LIBRARY, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE GROWING UP, THANK YOU. 
          I'M, I'M GLAD, I'M VERY PROUD OF THE LIBRARY SERVICES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH YOU, WITH YOUR PREDECESSOR, MR. MR EDSON AND WITH THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE AT BOTH OF YOUR FACILITIES. 
          BUT IT'S ALWAYS, UM, I LOVED WATCHING THE PROGRESS MADE HERE IN THE VILLAGE, BUT IT'S GREAT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING SOME TLC INTO, UM, OUR LAKE SHORE LIBRARY TOO. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE A FORTUNATE COMMUNITY TO HAVE TWO, TWO LIBRARIES LIKE THAT WITHIN OUR TOWN. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING PURPOSES. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA TAKE A QUICK MOMENT AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME WHO HAVE BEEN DOING SOME EXCELLENT WORK. 
          UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO DID THE BLAST BEACH. 
          IT WAS A VERY FUN EVENT. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE GREAT AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THAT, EVEN THOUGH THE WEATHER INITIALLY WAS NOT WITH US, BUT IT WAS THERE IN TIME FOR FIREWORKS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND HUGELY, UM, TIME CONSUMING TASK RUN MAINLY BY VOLUNTEERS. 
          SO I TRULY APPRECIATE VOLUNTEERS COMING FORWARD AND ORGANIZING SOMETHING FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO THANK BRIAN FOR ALL HE'S DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH THE LAKE SHORE LIBRARY UNDER HIS, UH, GUIDANCE. 
          LAKE SHORE LIBRARY IS DEFINITELY TAKING ON MORE OF A COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          UM, AND I HAVE HAD THE JOY AND THE PLEASURE OF WORKING CLOSELY WITH BRIAN AND REALIZING THAT FIREWORKS OH, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED, SO WASN'T A BIG FAN OF THE LIBRARY. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          UM, BUT I THANK HIM GREATLY FOR EVERYTHING HE'S DONE. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY MORE THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR LAKESHORE LIBRARY TO ENHANCE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO MAKE IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY DESTINATION. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 
          IT HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED. 
          AND A FINAL REMINDER BECAUSE THE SCHOOL AND TEACHER ME REQUIRES IT. 
          UM, PLEASE REMEMBER, SCHOOL IS GOING TO START VERY SOON AND THERE WILL BE NUMEROUS BUSES, OUCH, SOONER, SOONER THAN MOST OF US ARE READY FOR, UH, SCHOOL TO OPEN. 
          BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          SO PLEASE BE PATIENT THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF KIDS LEARNING NEW ROUTES. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF KIDS LEARNING HOW TO WALK NEW ROUTES TO SCHOOL, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF NERVOUS MOMS AND DADS PUTTING LITTLE ONES ON BUSES THAT MAY BE RUNNING LATE. 
          SO PLEASE ADJUST YOUR MORNING COMMUTES AND BE MINDFUL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE THEIR LIVES ARE ALSO ADJUSTING FROM SUMMER SCHEDULE TO BACK TO SCHOOL SCHEDULE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HOKE. 
          HELLO. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING MY ABSENCE TONIGHT. 
          UM, I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO REPORT. 
          UM, I WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CLARK KENLEY INTERSECTION. 
          UH, THAT WAS FANTASTIC AND IT WAS A GREAT TURNOUT, SO THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING. 
          UM, I WAS ALSO ABLE TO, UH, PARTAKE IN A BIKE RIDE WITH DAN AS WELL, UM, AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. 
          UM, SO THAT BROUGHT SOME NEW IDEAS, WHICH WAS FANTASTIC. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COORDINATING THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO REPORT. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, FOR THOSE YOU THAT WEREN'T AWARE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE. 
          UM, LAST WEEK WE CELEBRATED THE HUNDRED AND 50TH, UH, YEAR, THE GOLF COURSE. 
          150 WAS 50, I'M SORRY, RUNNING AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
           RUNNING AHEAD OF MYSELF AT THE EVENT. 
          I SAID I LOOKED FORWARD TO OUR GRANDCHILDREN CELEBRATING THE HUNDREDTH AND HUNDRED 50TH, BUT WE WERE ONLY CELEBRATING THE 50TH. 
          BUT IT WAS, UH, SUPER EXCITING, UM, TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME OUT AND ENJOY THAT. 
          UM, THE REC DEPARTMENT DID A GREAT JOB, UM, WITH, WITH THAT WHOLE, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, UH, TO, TO COMMEMORATE THAT. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FULLY COMMITTED AND ONE OF THE VERY FEW MUNICIPALITIES AND ALL OF NEW YORK STATE, UH, THAT OPERATES A GOLF COURSE. 
          AND IT'S ENABLED, UH, SO MANY OF OUR YOUTH, UH, AND SENIORS THE ABILITY TO PLAY GOLF, UM, THAT THEY OTHERWISE, UH, WOULDN'T OF. 
          UH, BOB MAHONEY'S COMMENTS. 
          UM, COMPLETELY AGREE, APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE TAXPAYERS, UH, ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, REACHED OUT TO ME AND, AND RESIDENTS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO US FOR REALLY A FEW YEARS NOW. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT THAT AREN'T AWARE, WE DO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE, UH, THE ISSUE. 
          UM, WE DEFINITELY, I HAVE IDENTIFIED AS A MAJOR CONCERN AND, AND VERY SOON ANTICIPATE ROLLING OUT FROM THAT COMMITTEE, UM, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IN TERMS OF ALLEVIATING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, THE COMPLAINTS AND PROBLEMS. AND, UM, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY THAT CAME TONIGHT. 
          THIS WAS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR BUSIER MEETINGS. 
          UM, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN. 
          IT'S A LOT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M STILL LEARNING. 
          UM, BUT I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR COMING AND EDUCATING YOURSELF. 
          UM, I HOPE THAT, THAT THE FOLKS THAT CAME HERE LEARNED SOMETHING. 
          UH, TODAY. 
          I KNOW I LEARNED SOMETHING AT EVERY MEETING. 
          UM, I, I WANNA ECHO THE, THE 
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COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. 
          UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          UM, COMMEND OUR, OUR LIBRARIAN, UH, BRIAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB WITH WITH BOTH OF OUR LIBRARIES. 
          UM, CERTAINLY GROWING UP IN THE VILLAGE I WAS MORE PARTIAL TO, UH, TO THE VILLAGE LIBRARY. 
          UM, BUT IN THIS POSITION I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AT THE LAKESHORE LIBRARY, AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WANNA CONGRATULATE OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO YOU CAN HEAR NOW ON 183RD ERIE COUNTY FAIR. 
          UM, I GOT TO START, UH, MY DAY ON WEDNESDAY WITH, UH, CHUBBY CHECKER AT THE GRAND OPENING OF THE FAIR. 
          AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON OVER THERE, AND I HOPE TO GET OVER THERE THIS WEEK MYSELF. 
          UM, I WANT JUST TO COMMEND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. 
          CAMMY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY PROJECTS GOING ON NOW THAT THEY ARE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A LIST TOGETHER OF 'EM ALL AND UPDATE US OVER THE COURSE OF MULTIPLE MEETINGS. 
          UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT UNDER CAMMIE'S LEADERSHIP WITH THE ADDITION OF KEN CUSTO HAS PUSHED MORE PROJECTS FORWARD IN THEIR FIRST THREE MONTHS THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THE THREE MONTHS. 
          AND WE'RE JUST GETTING BUSIER. 
          SO, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          AND I'M EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THIS DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS ALWAYS FOR, FOR GREAT THINGS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT TODAY ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF CLARK STREET AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY. 
          VERY IMPORTANT, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          I JUST DO WANNA LET THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE NORTH END OF OUR TOWN, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS OF THE VILLAGE OF BLAZE DOWN AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, AND IN PARTICULAR THE RESIDENT OF THE, OUR MOTHER OF GOOD COUNCIL APARTMENTS, WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT LAKE AVENUE. 
          TOMORROW IS THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF AN INTERVIEW THAT WKBW DID WITH SANDRA BREZINSKI. 
          SHE SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. 
          SHE SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE DANGER, AND SHE SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF HER NEIGHBORS AND HER MOTHER. 
          A GOOD COUNSEL. 
          EARLIER THIS YEAR, MS. BREZINSKI WAS HIT AND KILLED BY A VEHICLE ON LAKE EVAN. 
          WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF TOWN AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS IT. 
          WHILE WE HAD MR. BURDEN IN TOWN TO LOOK AT THE CLARK AND MCKINLEY INTERSECTION, HE WAS ALSO ABLE TO GO OVER TO LAKE AVENUE AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAD GOING ON OVER THERE. 
          THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD. 
          ALL IN FAVOR WILL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED.
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