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THE REASONS THAT, UM, WE HAVE TAKEN THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT WE HAVE IS THAT MR. ZIMMER HAD TRIED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO BUY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT HE OWNED ON THE CORNER.
AND HE WAS SUCCESSFUL FINALLY IN PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY.
SO IT IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED ARE TWO AND WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THE TOWN BOARD REZONE IT TO SEE ONE AND LOOKING FOR THIS BOARD RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL FOR THAT.
THE BUILDING ITSELF MEASURES 5,700 SQUARE FEET AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE AT THIS TIME IS PROBABLY A MIXTURE OF RETAIL, SMALL RETAIL AND MAYBE SMALL RESTAURANT.
UH, SOMETHING LIKE A JUICERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE INTEREST, UH, ON THAT PARCEL.
IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH WITH THE PARKING TO HAVE ANYTHING REALLY LARGE IN THERE IN TERMS OF RESTAURANT USE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE THINKING IT WILL PROBABLY END UP WITH A LITTLE MORE RETAIL AND A LITTLE LESS, UH, RESTAURANT USE.
SO AS I SAID, WE HAVE 28 PARKING SPACES.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE CODE COMMITTEE.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT RELOCATING THE, UM, THE DUMPSTER INTO THE CORNER CLOSER TO THE, THE MILE
MAYBE POSSIBLY REALIGNING THE DRIVEWAY SOMEWHAT.
UM, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST INVITE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR US AND HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECT GUYS? I'LL HAVE IT OPEN.
SO SWITCH, DON'T IT OPEN? IT'S NOT OPEN.
SO WAS THAT PLAN SAID TO US OR IS THAT JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED? THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THEIR PACKETING APPLICATION.
IN THE, WHAT, THREE MONTHS AGO? APRIL 17TH APPLICATION.
APRIL 17TH, 2023 WHEN WE ACTUALLY FILED THE APPLICATION.
WHY YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING, YOU KNOW THE ROUTINE.
IT'LL COME UP AT A FUTURE MEETING.
I HAVE A GRAPH OUTLINE OF A REZONING RECOMMENDATION REPORT.
YOU GUYS WILL FILL IT IN AND MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN FLOOR ON WHETHER OR NOT THE REZONING PROPERTY.
I WOULD ASK YOU 'CAUSE IT'S A NEW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
I CAN REFERENCE PAGES FOR YOU OR WHATEVER, BUT REMEMBER YOU MUST REFERENCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ANY REZONING.
THIS SITE, WHAT THEY APPROACHED US A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON THE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS CIRCLED AS AN AREA THAT PROPERTY OWNER HAS QUESTIONED THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS CALLED OUT AS A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR AN AREA THAT WE LOOK AT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN FOR ANY SUPPORT FOR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD
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RECOMMEND THE REZONING OR NOT.BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION EARLIER ON.
WE HAVE THE ONE MAP IN THE COMP PLAN WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEIR PROPERTIES ARE MIS ZONED OR NOT ZONED CORRECTLY OR WHATEVER.
AND WE THEN WE, WE TRY TO ADDRESS IT IN THE COMPLEX.
SO R TWO DUPLEXES, SAME TIME WITH DUPLEXES.
SO IT'S NOT APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D FIT ON THAT CORNER.
I MEAN, SO A C ONE USED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DUALER ACROSS THE STREET.
THE ONE WAY I THINK THERE IS STILL RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET.
THE OTHER WAY RIGHT THERE IS, THERE IS ACROSS, SO WAS SHE TWO A DATE YOU SENT PARCELS TO THIS ONE OR THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTIAL? YES, ACROSS THE STREET IS THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT MR. ZIMMER, UM, BUILT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR THE REEDS JENS STORE.
THAT'S AN ORCHARD I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS STEWARD, RIGHT? YEAH, ACROSS STEWARD IS I THINK DUPLEXES ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE ACROSS STEWART FACING ABBOTT? I KNOW THAT EVERYTHING ON SIDE STREETS ARE RESIDENTIAL.
IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE'S NOT THAT CLEAR SIDEWALK THAT GOES UP.
THE SIDEWALK CONTINUES, RIGHT? AND THE SIDEWALK GOES AROUND THAT PARCEL.
IS THIS THE PARCEL LINE BE, THERE'S THE SIDEWALK, THERE'S THAT WEIRD SIDEWALK THERE.
THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE THERE.
THAT WAS THE SIDEWALK TO THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
BOTH THE HOUSE THAT, THAT MR. ZIMMER PURCHASED ON STEWART AND THE HOUSE THAT USED TO BE ON THIS PROPERTY TO BOTH GONE, BOTH TO MOS IN OUR DECISION IS FIRST DECISION IS REZONING.
IT'S REZONING, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN.
THE REASON WHY THEY'RE SHOWING US THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL PARCEL AND PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WITH THE REZONING IS WHAT COULD FIT ON THAT PARCEL REALISTICALLY.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EARLY FOR US ACTUALLY.
SEVERAL SMALL PARTS, RIGHT? SEVERAL THINGS, RIGHT? FOR FOR HOUSES, IT'S ONE THING FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT LIKE YOU'VE SHOWN NOW, CAN YOU ACTUALLY MEET ALL THE REQUIRED SETBACK? UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
WE WOULD NEED A, UM, FRONT YARD SETBACK ON ABBOTT.
IT IS ONLY 10 FEET AND AT, AT THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S SO GO.
SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIDEWALK WITH THAT BUILDING? WE WOULD'VE A SIDEWALK THERE, YES.
BUT THE EXISTING, SO IT WOULD IT, WHETHER IT'S THE EXISTING ONE OR A NEW ONE, WE AGREED TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN.
SO IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE GOING FOR C ONE INSTEAD OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? YEAH, WE, WE THINK THAT THE UM, THE C ONE ALLOWS US A LITTLE MORE, UH, DIVERSITY AND TYPE OF TENANTS THAT WE'RE HOPING FOR THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S WHY WE, WE ASK FOR C ONE.
WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? I, I'D LOOK AT IT.
I CERTAINLY COULDN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I THINK THE POINT CAME, AND I AGREE REALLY NO OTHER C ONE GO FURTHER DOWN.
THAT IF THERE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, IT'S EITHER NEIGHBOR OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IN OR PARK IT IS COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, THERE REEDS, UH, JEWELERS THAT ACROSS THE STREET THERE, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS ALSO, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL MIXED NEXT IN ON ORCHARD PARK SIDE TOO.
YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE TO FIND SUPPORT.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY SUPPORTED IN THE GUN PLAN.
THE LOGIC AND REASONING FOR IT AND WHY YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND, AND ANY REASONABLE CONDITIONS YOU WANNA PLACE ON IT.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND, AND THE QUESTION IS, THE COMP COMMITTEE DID NOT SAY THAT THIS IS NOT COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHAT IS GONNA GO THERE? YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD DUPLEXES ON THAT, ON THAT PIECE.
IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU WERE TO MAKE IT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, YOU COULD STILL HAVE RETAIL SALES LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT IS THE SIZE OF WHICH IS THIS IS 5,700 SQUARE FEET BARBERSHOPS BEAUTY FAIRLY CLEANING.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY WE GET A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE C ONE AND WE WOULD, WE'RE NOT ADVERSE TO AGREEING
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TO CONDITIONS AS WELL IF, IF THE BOARD FELT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.SO WE RECOMMENDED A CONDITION ON THE REZONING FROM THE TOWN BOARD, WOULD THAT ALSO THEN APPLY WITH THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE REZONING APPLY TO ANY OTHER FUTURE TENANTS OR OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY? YES.
IT BROUGHT TO REZONING RUNS THE SITE.
IF IT HAS A CONDITION, THE CONDITION WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY AND RESOLVE FOREVER.
WITH PROPERTY, YOU ADDED A CONDITION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD SOMETIMES THEY SEE CONDITIONAL REZONINGS WITH RESTRICTION OF USES ON THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS PARTICULAR USE ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL THE APPLICANT AGREED THAT GOES ON AND IN FOREVER WITH THAT PROPERTY YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR USE THAT REPORTED ON LIKE THE GIS VIEWER SOMEWHERE.
YOU COULD HAVE IT RECORDED, YOU COULD HAVE 'EM REPORT RECORDED ON THE FEE THAT IF YOU REALLY FELT STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
WE DONE THAT WITH SITES WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THEY ACTUALLY HAD US REPORTED ON THE DEAL.
BUT, SO THINK ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WOULD BE A CONCERN IF YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND WHAT CONDITION, WHAT REASONABLE CONDITIONS SHOULD BE PLACE AND THAT'S THE REASONABLE CONDITION LIKE AN ATTORNEY HERE.
BUT REASONABLE HAS TO BE RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
AND, AND WE WOULD AGREE TO DE DEBRIEF RESTRICTION FILE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AS WELL.
IF, IF THE BOARD FELT THE CONDITIONS WERE IMPORTANT ENOUGH, THE THINGS IN C ONE THAT WE WOULD NEVER BUILD, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE DRY CLEANING ESTABLISHMENT.
WE WOULDN'T BUILD THERE, WE WOULDN'T BUILD A GARDEN CENTER THERE.
WE COULD AGREE TO THOSE THINGS.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IN RETAIL AND COMBINATION, AS I'VE INDICATED, UM, SOME SMALL TYPE RESTAURANTS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORK SESSION.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN SEVEN MINUTES.
UM, WHY DON'T WE TABLE THIS TO THE REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, THEN PEOPLE CAN THINK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER FACTORS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS TO WHY THEY WANNA DO THIS IS NEAR THE STADIUM, RIGHT? SO I THINK THEY'RE HOPING TO MAYBE CREATE A COMMERCIAL AREA AND WITH THE NEW STADIUM.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT AND IS MAYBE EVEN A POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION.
BUT LET'S, UH, LET'S TABLE IT SO WE CAN ALL HAVE TIME TO DIGEST IT.
ALL RIGHT, I WILL SEND YOU THE DIRECT REPORT OUT.
YOU CAN START FILLING IT IN YOUR OWN IDEAS AND I WILL SEND YOU A TYPICAL RESOLUTION FOR RECOMMENDING WITH CONDITIONS AND ALWAYS RECOMMEND.
AGAIN, I'M JUST GIVING YOU ONE PLACE CONDITIONS IT, I'M SORRY THIS, I HAVE TO LET JOSH KNOW.
YOU'RE TABLING THIS TO WHAT DATE? SEPTEMBER 20TH.
WHAT'S YOUR, MY QUESTION IS ON IN REGARDS TO THE RESTAURANT, THERE WOULD BE NO DRIVE THROUGH, NO DRIVE THROUGH, NO ROOM FOR DRIVE THROUGH AND THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT WE PUT ON THE C ONE DOESN'T ALLOW DRIVE, DOESN'T, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN CONFIGURE THAT BUILDING SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR A VARIANCE? I DON'T LIKE VARIANCE OVER DOING OR REGIONAL.
WE, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF PLANS.
ALL OF THEM REQUIRED A VARIANCE BUT WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
AND YOU THINK THIS VARIANCE KIND OF OH GO DOWN.
SO, AND THE THING WITH THIS VARIANCE IS THAT'S VARIANCE ON THE STREET WHERE IF THEY MOVE THE BUILDING AND NEED VARIANCE TO THE RESIDENCE, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT WE'D RATHER HAVE A VARIANCE TO THE STREET THAN THE RESIDE BACK ROUND HOLE.
RIGHT? WELL THAT'S THE REASON TO SAY NO ALL REALLY NEED TO CONSOLIDATE THAT INTO ONE LOT, NO PROBLEM.
YEAH, RIGHT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT MEETING ANY SIDE.
YEAH, YEAH THOSE WOULD BE MERGED.
THOSE ALL THE PARCELS WOULD BE MERGED DIFFERENCE.
ALRIGHT, SO I TABLED THIS TO SEPTEMBER 20TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ALLIANCE HOMES REQUESTING REZONING THE VACANT LAND AT HOWARD ROAD IN SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO R THREE TO MATCH REMAINDER PARCELS ZONED R THREE.
MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE MR. CORRECT? YES.
THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE THEY GAVE THE TWO OPTIONS OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY COME BACK WITH THE OPTION THAT REQUIRES SUMMARY ZONING.
CAN WE STRAIGHTEN OUT OUR CAMERA TOO? WHICH BRINGS IT DOWN.
I JUST LEVEL PERFECT CAST CLOSE ENOUGH.
SEAN HOPKINS OF HOPKINS STORAGE AND MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ALLIANCE HOMES.
UH, THIS IS A PROJECT YOU PREVIOUSLY DID SEE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO DURING A WORK SESSION.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A REZONING OF A PORTION OF THE 13.12 ACRE PARCEL IN SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THINK EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
THAT PARCEL TODAY HAS TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
UM, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF IT IS ZONED C ONE AND HALF OF IT IS ZONED R THREE.
THIS PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS HERE CURRENTLY ZONED R THREE.
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THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION ULTIMATELY FROM THE TOWN BOARD OF REZONING IS THIS PORTION WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE.IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT SINCE WE LAST PRESENTED THIS, UM, THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE TOOK A LOOK AT IT ON JULY 18TH AND THOUGHT THAT AT LEAST THE REZONING HAD MERIT TO WORTH TO MAKE JUSTIFIER REVIEW PROCESS ON SEPTEMBER.
ON AUGUST 28TH, THE TOWN BOARD AUGUST 14TH, THE TOWN BOARD REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND IT AUTHORIZED THE COMMENCEMENT OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS ISSUED A LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD AND THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD WILL EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER 27TH OF THIS MONTH.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT NOTE THAT THE REQUIRED REFERRAL TO THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING HAS BEEN MADE BECAUSE SOUTHWESTERN IS A STATE HIGHWAY.
SO TO REACCLIMATE YOU WITH WHAT WE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUESTED REZONING OF THIS PORTION OF THE SITE IS FIVE TWO STORY 12 UNIT BUILDINGS.
WE PROVIDED ELEVATIONS AND I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE TWO IN IN A SECOND.
AND THEN THIS FIVE ACRES OF THE PROJECT SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING LINE HERE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED R THREE.
WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DERESTRICT THAT AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EARTH DIMENSIONS PREVIOUSLY DID CONDUCT A WETLAND ELIMINATION OF THAT PORTION OF THE SITE.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS, UH, THAT IS NOW UP IN THE AIR.
BUT REGARDLESS, EVEN IF ARMY CORPS COMES BACK AND SAYS THAT'S NOT JURISDICTIONAL BASED ON WHAT WE PRESENTED TO PREVIOUSLY AND BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD STILL LITERALLY BE ABLE TO DERESTRICT HALF OF THAT SITE FOR NO DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MEAN THERE'D BE NO BUILDINGS, PAVEMENT, ROADWAYS, ET CETERA ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR WETLAND PROTECTION LAW WHERE WE TRY TO PROTECT WHETHER THEY'RE JURISDICTION OR NOT, WE TRY TO PROTECT RIGHT STATES WE WOULD.
RIGHT? SO WE WOULD, RIGHT? SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER JURISDICTIONAL WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO LEAVE THEM.
NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHAT WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED YOU WITH IS AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN.
AND THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN SHOWS WHAT WE COULD DO TODAY BASED ON THE C ONE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND WE'RE SHOWING TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 16,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEN TWO RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
UM, THE ALLIANCE TEAM IS NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN THAT PROJECT.
THERE'S MANY DOWNSIDES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE PERMITTED.
SOME OF THE DOWNSIDES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EXISTING ZONING OF COURSE ARE WE WOULD NOW HAVE COMMERCIAL BACKING UP ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS A BAD THING, BUT WE THINK TWO STORY UPSCALE MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ACTUALLY REQUIRES LESS OF A BUILDING SETBACK FROM THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE THAN THE R THREE R THREE REQUIRES 50 FEET.
UM, THE ALLIANCE TEAM HAS HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND US AND WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA CONTINUE THOSE.
WE WILL HOLD AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED ARE BUFFERING LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.
WE THINK WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
SO WE THINK IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO OPTIONS, WHAT IS PERMITTED AS OF RIGHT TODAY ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING INCLUDING THAT FIVE ACRES OF PERMIT OPEN SPACE.
WE THINK THERE'S AMPLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS REQUESTED REZONING.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE ANY ACTION THIS EVENING.
UM, ULTIMATELY I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION COMMENT HAS EXPIRED LATER IN THE MONTH.
BUT WE DID WANT TO, BUT WE DID WANNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD WE HAVE SUBMITTED A COMPLETED PART ONE, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AS WELL AS SOME REPORTS AND STUDIES THE ROAD THAT'S GONNA COME OUT ONTO HOWARD.
NOW I GO ON, I I IS THAT GONNA BE ON THE PROPERTY FROM CARLY PEOPLE? WELL, SO THE CARLY PEOPLE ARE HERE THAT THE BACK OF THE YARDS WE'RE AT THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION AND THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
WELL THAT ROAD WOULD BE NEXT TO THIS ONE CORNER LOT.
SEE THE REST OF THE ROAD IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS.
RIGHT? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN DO AWAY WITH THE HOWARD ROAD EXIT? NO.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY GIVEN WHERE WE ARE ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW US TO ACCESS POINTS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT BASED ON NOT ONLY EXPERIENCE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BUT EVERY COMMUNITY IN WESTERN EUROPE.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU SHOW US THE COMMERCIAL THING AGAIN? SURE.
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SAY TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS? YEAH.AND AGAIN, I WANT TO NOTE THIS IS A CONCEPT.
SO THE COMMERCIAL ALTERNATIVE SHOWS TWO, I'M SORRY, DENNIS, TWO 16,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS AND TWO POTENTIAL RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
IT COULD ALSO BE ON THE RETAIL.
I MEAN HAVE TO BE DRIVE NO, WHICH DRIVE THROUGH SCARES EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, WE KNOW, RIGHT? AND THEY SAY, WELL THE HELL WOULD THAT, LET'S GO WITH THE BUILDING.
I MEAN WE'RE, THIS IS AGAIN MEANT TO BE A CONCEPT.
REMEMBER WE'RE COMPARING THE EXISTING ZONING, WHAT'S PERMITTED VERSUS THE PROPOSED ZONING.
NOT ONLY DO I THINK THE REQUESTED REZONING IS BENEFICIAL, ONE OF THE ADDED OTHER ADDED BENEFITS IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT'S BASICALLY GOING TO DEED RESTRICT HALF OF THE SITE.
ULTIMATELY THIS HALF OF THE SITE IS PROBABLY SUBJECT TO YOUR LOCAL WETLAND LOCK.
WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING? UM, I WILL SHOW YOU THE EXCEPT ELEVATION PLAN.
I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE MENTIONING OF IT, BUT MARKET RATE AND SORT OF AFFORD IT WOULD BE UPSCALE MARKET RATE.
UH, THIS IS A SIMILAR PROJECT CALLED ORCHARD GROVE.
IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING BILL STADIUM IN ORCHARD PARK.
THIS BUILDING ACTUALLY EXISTS TODAY.
UM, IT'S A MIXTURE OF UNITS AND FEATURES, TOWN HOME UNITS ON THE END CAPS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ATTACHED GARAGES.
IT'S TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS AND THERE'S BEEN VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED VERY GENERALLY LEASES FOR APPROXIMATELY A DOLLAR 80 TO $2 A SQUARE FOOT.
SO THESE ARE RENTALS OR PURCHASE, THESE ARE RENTALS FOR LEASE HOW MANY UNITS PER BUILDING? 12.
AND WE WOULD WE GOING TO DEED RESTRICTED TO TWO STORY QUICK.
YOU COULD HAVE MADE UP A NUMBER.
I WOULD IT WAS JUST A RANDOM MATH QUESTION.
SO IS THERE, THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE FIVE 12 UNIT BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THERE ARE GOING TO BE 60 APARTMENTS THERE WITH ATTACHED GARAGES FOR ALL CARS? NO, UM, THE ENDS HAVE GARAGES.
AND WE'RE NOT EVEN SAYING IT HAS TO BE THIS HOUSING TYPE.
WE THINK THIS HOUSING TYPE WORKS, BUT WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE ADVANCE DOWN THE PROCESS.
SO IF THIS WERE TO BE REZONED BY THE TIME A SITE PLAN CAME, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE THINGS CAME TO US FIRST AS RENTALS AND THEN CAME BACK AS OWNED UNITS, RIGHT? THEY WOULD'VE ALREADY DONE A, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME BACK AND FORTH LIKE THEY WOULD'VE DONE A FULL ANALYSIS ON WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, RIGHT? WE'RE THESE ARE DEFINITELY BEING PROPOSED FOUR WEEKS.
THE ALLIANCE TEAM HAS A LOT OF SUCCESS ON THAT AND YOU CAN, UH, ANDY ROMANOWSKI IS NOT HERE, HE IS OUT OF TOWN ACTUALLY SAID IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO VISIT ANY OF HIS EXISTING PROJECTS ON THE PORTFOLIO, HE'S WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
AND THAT INCLUDES NEARBY RESIDENT.
THAT TOWN DEFINES US BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
THIS REZONING WOULD HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC TO RENTALS, TO DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR TOWNHOUSES AS WE KNOW, AND DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR CONDOMINIUMS IN TOWN HOME.
I'M TALKING HOUSING STYLE, NOT THE DEFINITION OF THE ZONING.
RIGHT? THE TOWN TOWN AND DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT OTHERS PERCEIVE OR TOWNHOUSES AND CONDOS AND WHATEVER, BUT THEY ARE FOR LEASE.
DO YOU FORESEE ANY VARIANCES COMING THROUGH? NO.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A LAYOUT THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES WHATSOEVER.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD PROPOSE A COMMERCIAL LAYOUT THAT ALSO WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALLIANCE IS PARTNERING ON THIS PROJECT WITH LIBERATORY LABORATORIES.
THEY'VE OWNED THIS FOR SEVERAL DECADES AND NOW BASICALLY SAID WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF PROJECT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BUT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH ALLIANCE TO DO UPSCALE MULTIFAMILY.
WELL THEY HAVE A, THEY THERE'S STILL A SALE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, IT'S ON, THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP IN GREEN PLACE WHEN THERE, UM, THE TO BOARD RESOLUTION SAYS THAT CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE HAD CONCERNS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANYBODY WAS ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE CONCERNS WERE.
I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING EXPLICIT CONCERNS.
I THOUGHT THEY LISTED THEM DO CONCERNS WERE, UH, AS, AS DENNIS SAID, THERE'S THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE HOWARD.
UM, IT'S AN AREA WHERE, WHERE THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN OPPOSED TO, BUT THEN ULTIMATELY SUPPORTIVE OF LARGE.
WELL, WASN'T THERE A TRAFFIC CONCERN TOO ON THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE ROAD ON THE END? HOW, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
WASN'T THERE A TRAFFIC WORRY? BECAUSE IS THERE A NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THIS AND EVERYONE SAYS
OH YEAH, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND
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US AND TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD IS OUTRAGEOUS.RIGHT? AND SO ADDING 60 MORE UNITS, 80 TIMES TWO PEOPLE PER 120 CARS, UM, ONTO THIS LITTLE BABY ROAD, I THINK WAS A THE BABY ROAD CONTINUE.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT SECTION THAT GOES OUT NEXT TO ANOTHER OR MM-HMM
HE, IF YOU'RE NOT HERE WITH HOWARD, PEOPLE USE THAT IN THE MORNING AS A CUT THROUGH TO GO FROM, UH, HOW CAMP ROAD TO SOUTHWESTERN AND SOUTHWESTERN TO CAMP ROAD IN THE MORNING.
I MEAN, SCHOOL BUSES ARE GETTING HELD UP.
IT'S, IT IS JUST, UH, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE HOW MUCH IT IS GONNA CREATE ANOTHER TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT'S ZONED TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FAR LESS TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY DURING THE AM AND PM WEEKDAY PEAK HOUR WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING VERSUS WHAT'S PERMITTED AS A BREAK.
AND WE DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AS WELL.
AND THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO DOT, OBVIOUSLY DOT AS JURISDICTION OVER SOUTHWESTERN, INCLUDING THE INTERSECTION OF HOWARD AND SOUTHWESTERN.
SO THEY, THE COORDINATED REVIEW IS GOING TO, IS DUE ON THE 27TH OF SEPTEMBER.
ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE'D WANT FROM THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE HAVE THIS BACK IN FRONT OF US? ANYTHING THAT WE SAY THAT WE'D WANT THEM TO GET, I'D LIKE TO DO A WALKTHROUGH WITH ALLIANCE.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT, WE CAN'T ALL GO AT THE SAME TIME, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN SCHEDULE HERE, BUT EVERYBODY CAN ARRANGE THAT ON THEIR OWN.
UM, ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED BEFORE? WHAT'S THE BUFFERING BEHIND THE UNITS? SO THE BUFFERING WE'RE SHOWING IS THE 50 FOOT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE R THREE VERSUS 40 FEET WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO I, THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MY COMMENT.
GIVEN THAT OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IN TERMS OF REZONING, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SHOW A PLAN THAT SHOWS SOME SCREENING OPTIONS IN THE BACK? YES.
THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT BACK.
YEAH, LET'S WORK AS WELL AS ALSO WHERE THE UM, DEPENDING UPON HOW THAT DRIVEWAY INTERSECTS WITH THAT CORNER LOT, RIGHT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL COME UP WITH A CONCEPT FOR THAT.
WE'LL PRESENT IT TO YOU THEN ALSO WANNA KNOW, WE'LL WANNA PRESENT IT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND SEE WHAT THEIR INPUT IS AS WELL.
SO THAT REC, THAT RECREATION AREA OR OPEN SPACE AREA, IS THAT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACCESSIBLE? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I READ RECREATION AREA, BUT THEN WELL WE'RE PROPOS OPEN, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WOULD BE DEED RESTRICTED, PERMIT OPEN SPACE.
IF THERE WAS, UM, A REQUEST TO CONSIDER THERE BEING SOME TYPE OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AMENITY, WE COULD CONSIDER IT.
I THINK THE REFERENCE PROBABLY WOULD BE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NOT HAVE ANYTHING THERE.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO, UM, THE GENERAL ACCOUNT DOESN'T WANT OWN ANY MORE PROPERTIES AND TYPICALLY THERE'S GONNA BE PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE
UM, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT IT.
IN FACT, THEY'RE GONNA PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF, UH, FOR, FOR RECREATION MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CALLS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN GIVE EVERYONE THE ASSURANCE THAT IT WOULD BE DE RESTRICTION IF THE REZONES APPROVED.
WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT BEING A CONDITION.
AND YOU'RE PROVIDING A TRAFFIC STUDY TO THE TOWN BOARD? WE ALREADY HAVE IT.
UM, SO ON THE HOWARD ROAD EDGE, RIGHT? IT IT LOOKS, IT'S OBLONG, BLOBBY LIKE A BERM, BUT IT JUST SAYS BUILDING SETBACK.
IS THAT A BERM? CAN YOU EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF THAT BERM SO THAT THE ROAD IS NOT IN THAT PERSON'S BACKYARD? SURE.
LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THAT.
WELL THAT ROAD HAS TO COME OUT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA COME OUT ACROSS FROM THE OTHER STREET AND HAVE IT SO IT'S GOTTA COME OUT IN THAT LOCATION.
YOU SAY YOU WANT IT TO LINE UP WITH DOGWOOD, IS THAT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THE, IT'S TYPICAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND YOU'RE LINE STREETS UP, OTHERWISE THEY GOTTA BE OFFSET BY A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET.
IF YOU OFFSET IT BY A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER.
YEAH, THEY'RE KIND OF FORCED TO THAT LOCATION.
BUT YOU GOTTA PUT THAT YOU ALSO HAVE ANOTHER NEW ROAD, JUST, JUST THE OTHER SIDE THERE THAT CAME IN TOO.
YEAH, ANOTHER ROAD COMES IN THERE.
YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S TABLE THIS TO OCTOBER 4TH BECAUSE UNTIL THIS, UH, SEPTEMBER 27TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS STONEFIELD ENGINEERING SITE PLAN DIRECTION AND PRELIMINARY PLA DIRECTION OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, LOCATED AT 3 5 6 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
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HI, MY NAME IS JEFF ADLER.UH, WE'RE THE NEW OWNERS OF THE HOME DEPOT CENTER ON MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
JUST WANTED TO CHAT AND, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACON FRIENDLY'S RESTAURANT.
HE IS GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, MATT, CHECK WITH STONEFIELD CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UH, LIKE JEFF MENTIONED, THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 3 5 6 OVER MCKINLEY PARKWAY ON THE CORNER OF 1 79 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT OWNS THE ENTIRE PARCEL YOU SEE THERE, UM, ON THE CORNER LOT.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PARCEL INTO A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITHIN A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, 28 PARKING STALLS, 10 QUEING STALLS THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND IN DOING SO, UM, WELL THE LOT WOULD HAVE TO BE 40,000 OR 50,000, UH, SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PROPOSED LOT TWO, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, WOULD BE 225,000 SQUARE FEET.
IN DOING SO, HOWEVER, WE CREATE TWO VARIANCES.
UM, ONE OF THEM BEING FOR THE LOT TWO, THE LARGER LOT.
UM, THERE'S A PREEXISTING NON, UH, EXISTING CONDITION OF A, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, UH, VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
WE'RE GOING FROM 85% IS THE EXISTING, UM, AND WE'RE GOING FROM UH, AND ABOUT 90, UH, 91% IN BONUS.
UM, SO WE WANT TO GET YOUR TEMPERATURE ON THAT.
THE SECOND VARIANCE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.
UM, THE CODE SAYS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, A MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 25 FEET FOR, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS VEHICLES.
YOU WERE CURIOUS, HOWEVER, IF THAT WAS FOR ACCESS DRIVE AISLES OR ROADWAYS ITSELF.
IN THIS SIT SITUATION, THERE'S AN ACCESS DRIVE AISLE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ASSUME, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, KAMI? SORRY.
DO YOU KNOW THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT? OKAY, SO WE ACTUALLY DID OUR HOMEWORK AND INSIDE TO CALL SOME OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND DIDN'T REALLY GET LIKE, UH, THE BEST ANSWER.
SO THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT THEIR TEMPERATURE WAS ON THAT.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS 25 FEET, WE WOULD BE ABOUT 16 AND CHANGE.
SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FIRST, TERRY, I WENT TO THE TOWN GIS SYSTEM.
WE CHOSE THIS AS A SEPARATE PARCEL ALREADY.
THAT'S A TAX, IT'S A, UM, LEASE AREA.
IT'S NOT A SEPARATE TAX PARCEL.
IT SHOWS UP AS A, AS ITS OWN PARCEL NUMBER.
YEAH, WE, WE WENT, WE, WE DID THE SAME ANALYSIS, RIGHT? AND UM, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST FOR A LEASE AREA, NOT FOR, FOR THE NEXT PARCEL.
SO WE BELIEVE IT WAS A MISTAKE WITH THE COUNTY RECORDS.
BECAUSE IT SHOWS UP ON, AS A SEPARATE PARCEL ON THE TOWN LGIS IT HAS A SEPARATE PARCEL NUMBER.
AND THE SUBDIVISION YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS IT THE EXACT NO, NO, THE LINE.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE JUST MOVING THE LINE, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST THE MOVEMENT OF LINE.
THE TOWN DEFINES A SUBDIVISION AT THE CREATION OF A NEW LOT, NOT THE MOVING OF LOT BOUNDARIES.
SO CONFIRM YOU LOOK IN THIS, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU DON'T GET A SEPARATE TAX BILL.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE, IT'S JUST THE DEMISE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
SO SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK INTO, BUT UM, WE BELIEVE WE JUST NEED TO CREATE A NEW SUBDIVISION FOR, FOR ZONING.
ESSENTIALLY YOUR NEW SUBDIVISION THEN WOULD HAVE THIS HAVING, HAVING ACCESS OUT, HAVING FRONTAGE ON ON THE HIGHWAY.
I SEE EXACTLY FOR THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO CREATE THE SUBDIVISION.
ONE MORE QUICK THING THAT WE'RE ALSO PLAYING AROUND WITH AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN IS POTENTIALLY MOVING THE BUILDING FORWARD SLIGHTLY TO GET MORE PRESENCE ON THE KINLEY.
UH, IN DOING THAT, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE MANY DRASTIC CHANGES TO THE VARIANCES WE'RE REQUESTING NOW WITH THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION AND THE INGRESS EGRESS QUESTION.
UM, BUT IN DOING SO, WE'D GET A LONGER QUEUE.
WE WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE, UH, FOR THE PLACEMENT CLOSER TO MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
WE BELIEVE WE'D GET THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A SLIGHT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
WE WOULD JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL.
IF, UM, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD CREATING A SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE SELLING THIS PARCEL REMAINING BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS AND ALL OF OTHER THINGS.
WE, WE, WE, SORRY, WE WE'LL PUT IT IN THE REA AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
UH, JUST KIND OF OPENS UP OUR ABILITY TO BRING IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF TENANTS AND USES.
UM, WE'RE TALKING, YOU'LL WORK WITH THE PLANNING BOARD OF ATTORNEY AND MAKE SURE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'D BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ALL ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ACCESS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE PART OF THIS OTHER, OTHER LOT.
IT ACTUALLY WORKS WELL 'CAUSE UTILITIES ARE ALREADY SEPARATED AND EVERYTHING
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SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE VERY CLEAN TO DO IT.BUT OTHER THAN THAT YOU REALIZE NOTHING CHANGES OUT THERE.
IT, IT'S A LINE, UH, A LINE ON A DRAWING.
IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK ANY DIFFERENT THAN IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
IT'S A BIG PLAZA AND IT'S, WELL THEY'RE GONNA DEMOLISH AN EMPTY, THEY'RE GONNA AN EMPTY BUILDING, BUT WE MAKE IT A LOT.
CAN WE ZOOM, WE'RE TALKING VERY GRANULAR.
CAN WE ZOOM OUT TO LIKE, THE GENERAL LANDSCAPE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE, THE ABANDONED, LIKE WAS A FRIENDLY'S WAS A CHILI'S, YEAH.
SITTING THERE BY ITSELF, RIGHT? YES.
YOU WANNA DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND PUT UP A NEW BUILDING, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF CURIOSITIES BECAUSE IT'S A LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A GIANT PLAZA.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALL KIND OF WERE UNDER UNDERSTANDING LIKE EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE IN THAT PLAZA AND THEN YOUR DRIVE THROUGH IS GONNA BRING IT CLOSER TO CORE LIFE.
IS THAT THE ISSUE? YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE SPACE BETWEEN IT, IT WOULD BE THE TWO BUILDINGS.
IT WOULD BE FURTHER AWAY ACTUALLY.
BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS ESSENTIALLY VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE NOW IS EXISTING RIGHT.
IN ORDER TO PUT THE DRIVE THROUGH AND AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN, UM, IT WOULD BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT SET FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE PAGE.
IF YOU MOVE IT CLOSER TO KINLEY, IT'D BE EVEN FARTHER AWAY FROM FOUR.
BE CLOSER TO THE ROAD ENTRANCE.
UM, AND THEN CAN YOU RUN ME THROUGH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE WHERE YOU OPENED UP YOUR COMMENTS WITH? YEAH, SO THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENT, UM, HAD IS THE IMPERIOUS COVERAGE, WHICH IS, UM, LAND, WHICH IS UH, EXCUSE ME, IMPERVIOUS ROADWAYS AND BUILDINGS REQUIREMENT IS 85% EXISTING IS 87.
SO IT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY ALREADY.
SO IN MAKING THE SUBDIVISION WE'D BUMP IT UP 3% TO
IN AN ASPHALT JUNGLE, COULD YOU EXACTLY.
SO WE, WE DID THE CALCULATIONS WE WOULD NEED ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE TOO AGGRESSIVE OF AN ASK TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'D BE RIPPING OUT A LARGE PORTION OF THE ACCESS AND DRY VIALS AND PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
MORE DISTURBANCE, MORE HEADACHES.
I JUST, WE JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE.
YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING IT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A LOT OF DISTURBANCE JUST FOR HORSE PAVEMENT OR YOU KNOW, FROM PARKING ISLANDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT ROAD ACCESS BOTH OVER TO WHERE MICHAEL'S CORE LIFE IS.
THAT ROAD GOES TO THERE AND YOU HAVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE EXIT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY THERE WHERE THE, THE TRIANGLE IS, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THEY'RE TAKING THE ENTIRE LIKE INTERNAL ROAD TO THE PLAZA AS PART OF THAT LOT.
AND THAT, THAT PARKING LOT IS ENCLOSED RIGHT NOW.
LIKE ONCE YOU GET, IF YOU MAKE THE WRONG TURN AND YOU GET IN IT, YOU'RE JUST STUCK IN THAT PARKING LOT AND I THINK THERE'S GREEN SPACE ON EITHER SIDE.
WE'D BE IMPROVING THAT WITH THIS.
YOU ACCIDENTALLY END UP IN THERE.
BUT SO FAR HOW I FRIENDLY EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO THERE.
IF THERE IT'S OPPORTUNITY THOUGH TO, TO ADD ANY KIND OF, LIKE BILL WAS SAYING, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A, A FULL OFFSET, BUT IF THERE ISN'T ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ON THE GREEN ISLAND WITH SOME, SOME FLOWERS OR SOMETHING TO, TO BREAK IT UP, IF THAT FITS INTO YOUR SPLIT UP LANES, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
THEY CAN JUST SMASH THE ENTRANCE ONE WITHOUT A GREEN ROOF ON THE BUILDING.
I THINK DEPENDS ON THE TENANT.
THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING, IT'S THE LARGER BUILDING THAT'S GONNA NEED THE VARIANCE.
SO THE, THE NEW LOT, THE SMALLER LOT, THE 50,000 SQUARE A LOT WITH THE NEW RESTAURANT, RIGHT.
WOULD WOULD IT NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? OH IT WOULDN'T, RIGHT? IT WOULD JUST BE THE LARGER LOT AND IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY ALREADY.
WE'RE JUST OH, IT'S JUST THE LARGER AND DUE TO THE YEAH, DUE TO THE SPLIT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING TO THAT CENTER.
SO DUE TO THE SPLIT LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE TOTAL LOT, THEREFORE THE VARIANCE COMES INTO PLAY FOR THE, FOR THE COVERAGE.
IT'S A QUIRK OF THE TOWN OF HAMMERS LAW.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DON'T CONSIDER THE DIVISION OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES LIKE THIS AS A SUBDIVISION, BUT BECAUSE WE DO, WE HAVE TO LOOK TO BOTH LOTS.
THEY'RE CREATING, IF YOU ARE CREATING TWO LOTS, IT'S CREATING NONCONFORMITIES THAT EXIST ALREADY IN THE WHOLE PLAZA THAT EXISTS THERE.
ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THE GO FORWARD? HOWEVER? YEAH, I I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
'CAUSE BEHIND THAT IS THE UNOFFICIAL SCARY WAY TO WHITELANDS ANYWAY.
SO IF YOU MOVE IT FORWARD PEOPLE ARE GONNA KEEP TAKING THE KNOT ROAD.
I ACTUALLY JUST DROVE THROUGH THAT ROAD.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES PARKED THERE AND IT SEEMS FOR LIKE LOADING AND STUFF
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LIKE THAT.WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING OUR, OUR UM, TRASH ENCLOSURE IN THAT SPOT.
SO KIND OF KEEPING THE SAME NATURE BUT AGAIN WE WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO MOVE THAT BUILDING FORWARD TO GET BETTER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE BUILDING MOVE FORWARD AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO FOR AN OUT OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE AND SO FORTH TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE MONOTONY OF ALL OF THE ASPHALT AND TRY AND HAVE SOMETHING BE MORE OF A DRAW WOULD BE GREAT.
AND ALSO LIKE HOW MARGO SAID TO INCLUDE ANY SORT OF PLANTINGS WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTING DIVISIONS WITH THEM WOULD BE THAT'S, THAT'S WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
JUST TO IMPROVE IT AND JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC THAN I SAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? WHAT IS YOUR TIMING ACTUALLY? WELL, SO WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE COORDINATOR TO REVIEW AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? SO WE CAN DO THAT TODAY AND THEN HAVE I THINK THE BUILDING 3,990 SQUARE.
3,990 SQUARE FEET IS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
THEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT WAY I DON'T HAVE TO COORDINATOR REVIEW BECAUSE THERE'S NO SECRET REQUIRE TYPE TWO.
SO SO WE MAY GET A TYPE TWO ACTION.
NO SEEKER, WE'LL DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW.
'CAUSE THEIR AREA VARIANCES DON'T NEED SEEKER.
THE PROJECT ITSELF IS NOT SUBJECT TO SEEING THROUGH THOSE VARIANT AND SETBACK VARIANTS THAT DON'T REQUIRE SEE YEAH.
THIS SO JUST SO THEN WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR THE 20TH T 20TH SEPTEMBER 20TH.
SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BREAK UP THE MONOTONY OF THE ASPHALT ON, ON BOTH PROPERTIES ACTUALLY I THINK.
YOU PREPARED, WOULD YOU UM, LIKE A FULL SITE PLAN PACKAGE FOR THAT? YES.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST A SUBDIVISION BUT IT MAKES IT CAN YOU, YEAH, CAN YOU, I MEAN IF IT'S MY DAUGHTER'S CAR, I BUT NO LEADING AFTER THAT.
COULD BE STILLING FOR THE 20TH AND WE CAN TALK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN CHANGE IT.
SO WE NEED, UM, WHEN ARE THE PLANS TO DO THE FRIDAY BEFORE? SO THAT'S UM, THE 15TH.
SO, OR YOU FOURTH? LET'S OCTOBER 4TH.
I HAVE TO LET JOSH KNOW TOMORROW MORNING.
HE'S GONNA PUT THE INCENTIVES IN THE PAPER THOUGH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN A MONTH.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME EVERYONE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS ESSEX HOMES REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REVISED PLAT FOR NILES, A SUBDIVISION TO MERGE FLAG LOTS.
CHRIS, WANNA COME BACK? MUTE ONE AGAIN.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
I'M KEVIN CURRY FROM ESSEX PHONE, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE, UH, THIS NIGHT JOHN WILL PRESENT IN GREATER DETAILS.
UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A PRETTY SIMPLE REQUEST.
THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, APPROVED I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY THIS YEAR IS A 14 LOT PROJECT.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO, UH, ELIMINATE TWO LOTS, CREATING A A 12 LOT PROJECT.
UM, WE BELIEVE WE'VE IMPROVED THE PROJECT IN A COUPLE OTHER, UH, MINOR WAYS IN ADDITION TO THE THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY.
AND WE ARE ALSO SEEKING ONE ACCOMMODATION AND SEAN WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
YES, WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO AS WELL.
SO THAT IS THE LAYOUT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
ALTHOUGH NEITHER KEVIN OR I WAS INVOLVED, I WAS AT THE MEETINGS AND I KNOW THAT WAS A RESULT OF NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS.
AS KEVIN INDICATED, WE THINK WE CAN IMPROVE THIS LAYOUT BY BASICALLY ELIMINATING TWO LOTS AND THOSE WERE THOSE LEFT THERE THEREBY ELIMINATING FLAG LOTS.
WE SEE THOSE AS BEING LESS DESIRABLE.
AND AGAIN, WE THINK THAT REDUCTION OF DENSITY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOU DID IMPOSE SEVERAL CONDITIONS IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR DECISION ISSUING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY 1ST.
BEFORE I TURN TO THAT ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE WE MADE IS THE CUL-DE-SAC UNDER THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED 14 LOT PLAN.
GOT VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY LINE.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT BACK 30 FEET.
THAT PROVIDES MORE GREEN SPACE FOR THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS ON LINWOOD AVENUE.
BUT I DO WANNA TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT WE WANT DISCUSS VERY BRIEFLY.
NUMBER ONE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS IMPOSED CONDITION FOUR STATED DEED RESTRICTIONS SHALL BE PUT IN PLACE ON THE REAR OF THE DEEP LOTS TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE LOTS.
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WE ACTUALLY THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT CONDITION BETTER AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING INSTEAD IS DEED RESTRICTION SHALL BE PUT IN PLACE ON THE REAR PORTION OF LOTS.
THE RESTRICTIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE LOTS, THE WIDTH OF THE DEED RESTRICTED AREA ON THE REAR PORTION OF LOTS FOUR AND FIVE SHALL BE 20 FEET.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY 10 FEET AND SHALL BE 85.05 FEET ON LOT THREE.
THE WIDTH OF THE DE RESTRICTED AREA ON THE REAR PORTIONS OF LOTS, ONE AND TWO SHALL BE 80 FEET.
WE ALSO INCREASED THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS 50 FEET, ORIGINALLY IT WAS 60 FEET, SO WE'VE ADDED 20 FEET.
SO ACROSS THE BOARD WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING TO THE DE RESTRICTED AREA THE NEXT CONDITION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME CONSIDERATION.
WHAT OF THAT WITH THE PLANTON OF TREES.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONDITIONS NUMBER SEVEN IN EIGHT.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT REQUIRED WAS SIX TREES TO BE PLANTED PER LOT, MOST OF THOSE BEING 2.5 INCH CALIBER.
AND THEN THERE'D BEING A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TREE ON EACH LOT WITH FOUR INCH CALIBER.
UH, WE'VE EXPLORED THAT CONDITION.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO RUSSELL'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE PREEMINENT LANDSCAPERS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US IS THEY HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT FOUR INCH CALIBER TREES.
AND THE REASON IS FOR THIS, NUMBER ONE, THAT REQUIRES HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO PLANT THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN PICTURE THE ROOT BALL AND ALSO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WARRANT THE SURVIVABILITY OF FORAGE TREES.
MEANING IF WE PURCHASE TWO AND A HALF INCH TREES, THEY WILL GIVE US A WARRANTY REGARDING SURVIVABILITY.
IF YOU GET ANY BIGGER THAN THAT, THEY SAID THE LONG-TERM SURVIVABILITY REDUCES BY ABOUT 50%.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THOSE BE REPLACED WITH ALL TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER TREES.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE SIX TREES PER LOT ONLY NOW BASED ON 12 LOTS VERSUS 14, DIDN'T, DIDN'T THE WE'LL SAY 14 TREES, A MINIMUM FOUR INCH CALIBER OR EQUIVALENT OF KIND OF FIRST KIND OF FIRST TREES, WHICH IS BASICALLY EQUIVALENT.
YOU WOULDN'T GET A FOUR INCH CONIFER, YOU'D PROBABLY GET PROBABLY A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT CONIFER.
SO, OH, WE READ THAT AS JUST, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE READ THAT IT'S ALSO BEING FOUR INCH CALIBER.
TALK TO A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
THE, THE EQUIVALENT OF A OF A A FOUR INCH CALIPER DECIDUOUS TREE IS, IS ONLY LIKE A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT CONIFER.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A FOUR INCH DIAMETER CONIFER.
IT WOULD BE A, I READ, I READ TREE, IT WOULD DIE WITHIN.
SO I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH OUR CONSERVATION BOARD IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING CONIFERS, I THINK SIX TO EIGHT FOOT ARE VERY SURVIVABLE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPARABLE TO LIKE A QUARTER INCH DIAMETER AND LOCATING, LOCATING THOSE IN IN THIS AREA AT THE END OF THE COURT WE'LL WORK WITH A CONSERVATION BOARD BETWEEN NOW AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TO HAVE ON THIS AND GET THEIR INPUT AND A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT'S INPUT ABOUT AN EQUIVALENT.
AND THEN FINALLY WHAT WE DID IS CONSISTENT WITH, AS YOU RECALL, WE WORKED OUT A SERIES OF PRETTY STRINGENT CONDITIONS IN WITH YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLEASANT AVENUE SUBDIVISION.
WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE YOU ASKED FOR IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT STATING WHEN THE PLANTING WILL BE WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF ISSUANCES OF CFOS AND THEN ALSO STATING THAT THAT WILL BE GOVERNED BY THE HOI DOCUMENTS AS WELL.
WE THOUGHT THOSE ARE, THAT'S LANGUAGE YOU WOULD WANT.
AND FINALLY WHAT I WANT TO NOTE IS WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MINUTES AND I'VE ALSO DISCUSSED IT WITH JOSH AND ANNALISE.
AND DESPITE THERE BEING A VERY, VERY LENGTHY REVIEW PROCESS AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT PART ONE OF THE AF WAS PREPARED AS WELL AS PARTS TWO AND THREE OF THE AF, YOU SPENT A LOT OF GREAT, A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE.
YOU ACTUALLY NEVER ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BACK IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR ORIGINAL DECISION.
GRANTED PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL.
SO WE ARE GONNA ASK FOR A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE FOURTH OBJECTED FOR TWO HOURS AND THEN NEVER, WE NEVER ACTUALLY PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
WE WENT ON TO WARMING ALL THE CONDITIONS.
IS IT IN THE RECORDING? NO, THERE IS NO NEGATIVE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT IT FOR THE TWO MEETINGS BEFORE THAT STARTED THE TALK ABOUT IT, THE THIRD MEETING, BUT THEN SPEND A COUPLE HOURS RIGHTFULLY SO, TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CONDITIONS AND WHATEVER.
AND WHEN YOU CAME TO A CONCLUSION, YOU ISSUED THE, THE APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION AND NEVER WENT BACK AND ISSUED THE BANK DAY.
BUT IT'S THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE STARTED TO LIMIT THE MEETINGS TO JUST GET, BECAUSE WE WERE, THERE WAS A FEW THINGS WHERE WE WERE MISSING SOME THINGS A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE TIMEFRAME, JUST FOR SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE THAT DECISION EXPIRED LONG, LONG AGO.
THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, NUMBER ONE, IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS.
AND NUMBER TWO, WHEN WE GO TO GET SEWER AND WATER APPROVALS, ONE OF THE FIRST DOCUMENTS THEY ASK FOR IS A COPY OF THE SECRET DETERMINATION.
SO TO DO SEEKER AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT WAS SO LONG AGO.
NO, YOU HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SEEKER.
A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED FOR A RE-APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION HAS CHANGED.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A REDUCTION IN LOTS, YOU STILL HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN YOU COULD ISSUE YOUR N DECK AND ISSUE YOUR APPROVALS THAT NIGHT.
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WE MAY HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND YOU MAY TABLE IT, BUT I THINK WE SPENT MANY, MANY MEETINGS RESOLVED THIS.SO I THINK THIS IS A LESS OF AN IMPACT, A BETTER PLAN.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A NO BRAINER.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS ONE? SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE ARE HAD A TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES PER LOT AND WE LOST TWO LOTS.
SO CAN WE GET 12 MORE TREES? NO, WE'RE ASKING FOR A CORRELATING REDUCTION.
MEANING IF WE'RE ELIMINATING TWO LOTS, ELIMINATING 12 TREES AND AGAIN, BUT WE ARE COMPENSATING THAT FOR BY PROVIDING, FIRST OF ALL THERE'LL BE WAY MORE GREEN SPACE.
BUT SECOND OF ALL, EVEN THOUGH NO ONE'S ASKED US TO ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THE DE RESTRICTED AREAS BIGGER 'CAUSE WE CAN'T THERE TREES ON THOSE DEED BRIDGE AREAS.
KEVIN AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF THE MINUTES.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
OH, DECREASING THE DENSITY COME WITH AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SAFE TREES AND THEREFORE WE JUSTIFY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF PLANTED TREES.
CAN YOU, AND THEN OF COURSE WE ALSO DO INCREASE THE GREEN SPACE AREA.
CAN YOU, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE ASKING NUMBER ON THE ADDITIONAL TREES YOU'RE GONNA SAVE WITH THIS PLAN.
WE COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH AN APPROXIMATION.
WELL HOPEFULLY THERE'S LOT SOME SORT OF UH, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE ADDING 10 FEET MINIMUM PER LOT.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE DRAMATIC IMPACT ON TREES, BUT VERY DRAMATIC IMPACT WHEN YOU ENVISION A HOME HERE, A HOME HERE AND A HOME HERE.
VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ABSOLUTELY DRAMATIC.
AND THAT'S MIRRORED ON THE SIDE TO THE, THE REQUIRED SPACE SIZES OF THE HOMES GONNA CHANGE.
NO, I THINK THAT THEY'D BE SIMILAR, FAIRLY MODEST SIZE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA CLEAR CUT THE LOT.
THE HELL THAT'S HOPEFULLY GONNA SAVE A BUNCH OF, WE WE SELECTED FROM A PROJECT THAT WE ALL DELIBERATED ON GREAT LENGTH, THE EXACT, THE VERBATIM LANGUAGE THAT WE CAME UP WITH THAT REALLY TIED ALL THE PLEASANT ROAD ONE.
WE THOUGHT THAT A VERY GOOD PROCESS.
THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR MUCH BETTER PRESERVATION OF TREES.
I NO, NO ANSWER BUTS ABOUT IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, IT'S, IT'S A
I MEAN ULTIMATELY A LOT WITH TREES IS WORTH MORE THAN A LOT WITHOUT TREES.
WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE ENGINEERING AND GRADING, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TRYING AND PRESERVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT GO INTO PLAY.
BUT THE GOAL OF MOST HOME BUILDERS, INCLUDING ESSEX, IS SELL LOTS OF TREES.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE VALUABLE.
ARE THERE ANY ESSEX PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN WESTERN NEW YORK WITH COMPARABLE APPROACH? AT THE MOMENT, THE PLEASANT ONE ISN'T UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THESE ARE, UM, 70 FOOT LOTS AND 80 FOOT LOTS.
WE, WE DO HAVE COMMUNITIES IN LEWISTON TWO AND AMHERST.
ONE IN CLARENCE, ONE IN LAKE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR NO, AT VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE IN AMHERST THAT I WORKED ON, ON DODGE ROAD, THERE'S A BIG WETLAND WE AGREED TO PRESERVE HALF IT IS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
YOU KNOW, SIMILAR, SIMILAR APPROACH.
MOST OF THOSE LOOK AT THOSE THROUGH ON THE ROADS ON THOSE.
AND NOW THE A DIFFERENTIATING FACTOR ON THOSE IS GONNA BE THE, THE DEPTH.
SO THIS LOCK DEPTH WE FIND VERY VALUABLE.
THAT'S WHY WE EXTENDED TO PRESERVE AREA.
THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY PRESERVE THE TREES.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAVE MUCH OF ANYTHING IN THAT WIDTH.
YOU'RE GONNA BE MONETIZED HOMES, YOU'RE GONNA USE THE ENTIRE WIDTH.
THAT'S IN THE DEPTH WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND IF WE WERE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK ON EITHER SIDE THAT THAT COULD HELP US WITH SOME FRONT YARD PRESERVATION.
GENERALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REAR YARD PRESERVATION AND THEN THE TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED SIX, A LOT ARE GONNA GO IN THE, IN THE FRONT YARDS.
NOW WE MAY LOOK TO DO, ESPECIALLY IF WE GO EVERGREENS TO PUT SOME OF THOSE HERE.
AND THERE'S ONE OTHER COMMENT I WANNA BRING UP VERY QUICK.
SO WE LOOK BACK, YOU ASKED FOR THERE TO BE AN EASEMENT AREA LEADING BACK TO THE CREEK, TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT'S SHOWN AS A SEPARATE BLOCK, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WE WOULD SIMPLY ASK THAT WE'D BE ALLOWED TO ADD THAT INTO LOT SIX.
IT WOULD STILL BE THE EASEMENT.
I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR YOU FOR SOMEONE TO OWN THAT WITH THE EASEMENT THAN RIGHT TO BE THIS RANDOM ADDITIONAL, TINY LOT.
AND THE REQUEST WAS SPECIFICALLY AN EASEMENT AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE PROVIDE.
WE WOULD JUST MAKE THIS A PART OF THOSE LOTS.
I DON'T THINK WE, BECAUSE IT WAS THE HOA WAS GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY IT WAS OKAY TO BE A SEPARATE LOT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR A SEPARATE LOT.
IT WAS JUST SHOWN AS A SEPARATE LOT.
DID YOU EVER THAT POINT OF FINAL HEARING OR NO? NO, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE
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YEAH, NO, WE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN RIGHT AWAY.YEAH, I DON'T, THEY NEVER GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SUBMITTED FINAL ENGINEER AND WE NEVER RECEIVED FOR YOU THERE BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT HAS THAT INTERESTING, UH, CONDITION CAMMY THAT THE STORM ORDER POND BE OVERSIZED, RIGHT? MM-HMM
'CAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE, SO WE ASKED THEM TO OVERSIZE IT.
SO, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IMPACTS TO NON-JURISDICTIONAL OPTIONS.
WE'D BE MOVING FORWARD RIGHT AWAY WITH, WITH DETAILED ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE SECRET DETERMINATION AT, AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE AND IF A PUBLIC HEARING IS, IS NECESSARY TO SCHEDULE THAT AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE DID A TON OF WORK ON THIS AND THEY'RE BUILDING OFF OF THAT.
I THINK WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH AND ALSO HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED.
I'LL JUST TAKE THE OLD RESOLUTION THEN UPDATE 'EM AS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
I'LL SEND THEM OUT AHEAD OF TIME SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE CHANGES IF YOU NEED TO MAKE CHANGES ALONG WITH THE DRAFT ALONG PART ONE, TWO COMPLETED.
SO, SO HOPEFULLY GET IT OFF OUR PLANE ON THE 20TH.
I MEAN, IT'S STUFF TO COME UP TOO.
I DON'T WANT SHARP THE GUN THERE, BUT, UH, SO YEAH, SO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ESSEX AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED FOR SEPTEMBER 20TH.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
THAT CONCLUDES THE WORK SESSION
SO, UH, WELL WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 6TH MEETING IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD LEBANON.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING FOR DATA DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL WITH 57 UNIT TOWN HALL SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND, WEST BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE HAVING ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHANGE FROM, UH, IN THE TYPE OF HOMES.
SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO JUST THAT CHANGE, UM, AS BEST WE CAN.
CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT DATA DEVELOPMENT LLC.
ALSO WITH ME IS DAVE BURKE, AS WELL AS ANTHONY ALFA, THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
AS CHAIRMAN CLARK INDICATED HIS INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS.
I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY AT LEAST HAD THREE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS REQUEST.
UM, YOU MOST RECENTLY TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT DURING YOUR MEETING ON JULY 19TH.
AND BASICALLY THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING PERTAINS TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY AT 96 UNITS WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED, AND WE'RE NOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 57 UNITS.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TWO STORY TOWNHOMES, AND WE ARE USING THE TOWNHOME WORD FROM THE ZONING CODE FOR SALE, UM, THAT SHOWS THE LAYOUT THAT WE ORIGINALLY BEGAN WITH, OR, NO, THAT'S NOT THE LAYOUT WE BEGAN WITH.
YOU WANT US SHOW THE, THAT SHOWS THE LAYOUT THAT WE ORIGINALLY BEGAN WITH.
AND BASICALLY AS A RESULT OF AN EXHAUSTIVE ANALYSIS OF THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IN THE RECREATIONAL SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR NOT ONLY THIS SITE, WHICH IS PROPERLY ZONED PUD AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY NINE AND A HALF ACRES, WE HAD TO REDUCE THE DENSITY AGAIN FROM 96 UNITS TO 57 UNITS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT, THE CURRENT PROJECT HAS A VERY LENGTHY HISTORY, BUT THE OVERALL PROJECT SITE HAS A MUCH MORE LENGTHY HISTORY GOING BACK NOW APPROXIMATELY 35 YEARS.
AND IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED ON THIS SITE, YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS TWO U-SHAPED APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND SOME GREEN SPACE.
WHEN WE BEGAN DOWN THIS PATH A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE RECOGNIZED VERY QUICKLY THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE WELL RECEIVED, LARGER MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS FOR LEASE.
AND THAT WAS ALSO, UM, SOLIDIFIED BY THE FACT THAT IN 2010, THE BURKE FAMILY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER.
THEY PROPOSED, I BELIEVE, ABOUT 72
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UNITS.UM, ULTIMATE DECISION WAS NOT MADE, BUT THAT WAS NOT PARTICULARLY WELL RECEIVED.
WE THINK OF ALL THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE BEST, AGAIN, TWO STORY, UM, TOWN HOME UNITS FOR SALE.
WE'VE ADDED, WE BELIEVE IS AN EXHAUSTIVE ANALYSIS DEMONSTRATING TWO THINGS THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE SATISFIED THE REQUIREMENT FOR PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT.
THAT INCLUDES PARCEL REPORTS, RELEVANT LANGUAGE FROM THE NUS, PALMER, AND CLARK OPEN SPACE PLAN, LOOKING AT THE REQUIREMENTS, THE ZONING CODE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE'RE ALSO SATISFIED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE WHERE WE'RE BUILDING THESE TOWN HOMES, THE RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENT.
ANTHONY, YOU WANNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING CURRENTLY ON THE CURRENT PLAN FOR RECREATION? SURE.
SO IN TERMS OF RECREATIONAL AREA, WE'RE WE ARE EXTENDING THE HARD TRAIL THAT'S RIGHT ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
UM, WE'RE PROVIDING SOME WALKING TRAILS, UM, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA, UM, A COMMUNITY GARDEN, UM, A COUPLE GAZEBOS AS WELL AS THE TOP LOT PLAYGROUND, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, PUD AND THEN ALSO JUST SOME PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, UM, BEHIND THESE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'RE MEETING THE OVERALL REQUIREMENT AGAIN FOR THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE OVERALL QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE DENSITY WE'RE PROPOSING IS WAY LESS THAN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED BACK THEN.
WE'RE ALSO MEETING THE RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENT OF AT LEAST 10% FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
SO WE'VE SATISFIED THOSE, BOTH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE PRESENT PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS, I'M SORRY, WE HAD A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON HOW WE COULD ELIMINATE SOME UNITS AND WE THINK WE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
SO WE COULD HAVE DONE IS WE OBVIOUSLY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED UNITS THAT WERE BACK CLOSER TO THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, BUT IN RECOGNITION THAT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF RESIDENTIAL USES THAT EXIST ON BRIARCLIFF DRIVE, WE CHOSE DELIBERATELY TO ELIMINATE THOSE UNITS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CLOSEST TO THE BACKYARDS AND THEREFORE REPLACE THAT WITH GREEN SPACE.
UH, WE HAVE OFFERED AGAIN AND AGAIN TO MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HOA.
WE'VE PROVIDED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WE THINK WITH AMPLE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING.
I DO WANNA REITERATE AGAIN THAT AS WE HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HOA TO DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS THEY WOULD HAVE ABOUT SCREENING OR LANDSCAPING.
WE DID SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN.
IT SHOWS ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHTING SPILLOVER ONTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
ONE TOPIC THAT RECENTLY CAME UP, AND I HAVE A HANDOUT REAL QUICK, IS A POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING THE EXISTENCE OF A GAS WELL ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I DID PROVIDE A COPY OF THIS HANDOUT AND THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EACH OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
SO ANTHONY PITE, BASED ON A CONCERN BEING RAISED BY THE HOA ABOUT THERE BEING A POSSIBILITY OF AN UNCAPPED GAS WALL ON THE SITE, UM, ACCESS TO DEC DATABASE AND CONFIRM TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, THE GAS WELL WAS NEVER ON THE SITE.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE BACK OF ONE OF THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES NEXT DOOR.
AND NUMBER TWO, AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM EVERYONE'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT WAS CLOSED AND ABANDONED IN 1990 AND THAT'S BEEN VERIFIED FROM THE DEC DATABASE.
THE DEC KEEPS A DATABASE OF GAS WELL.
SO THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, YOU WALKED THROUGH DRAFTS OF PARTS TWO AND PART THREE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FIRM FOR ASSESSMENT FORM.
AT THAT TIME, YOU CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED RELATIVE TO POTENTIAL STORM POTENTIAL ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, DESPITE THAT FACT, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION SINCE THAT MEETING ON MAY 17TH.
AND I WANNA JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT THAT WAS VERY QUICKLY.
UM, ANTHONY PREPARED A VERY DETAILED STORMWATER SUMMARY LETTER ON MAY 22ND THAT EXPLAINS HOW WE WILL SATISFY THE DE'S STRINGENT STORM WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS ON THE SITE.
WE ALSO DID PROVIDE A COPY OF THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT PREPARED BY ENOL DATED MAY 14TH, 2021.
AND ITS PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THERE'S NO RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.
UH, WE PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY MOST RECENTLY OF DAVE BURKE TO THE HOA ON JUNE 8TH.
WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A COPY OF A LETTER FROM JOHN CHENEY, WHO'S A LICENSED ENGINEER DATED JULY 5TH.
THAT, UM, SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS OF SOME GEOTECHNICAL TESTING.
AND AGAIN, HE HAD NO CONCERNS WHATSOEVER BASED ON THOSE FOUR BORINGS.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAD ORIGINALLY DONE A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BASED ON THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED 96 UNITS.
UM, DAVID CRUZ OF ERO ASSOCIATES PROVIDED YOU WITH
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AN UPDATED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DATED JULY 13TH.AND NOT SURPRISING, GIVEN THE SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN DENSITY, UH, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AS WELL.
SO I THINK THE ONLY REMAINING ISSUE THAT REALLY IS OUTSTANDING IS, AGAIN, THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE SUBMISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON BEHALF OF THE HOAI DISAGREE WITH THEIR POSITION.
THEIR POSITION IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT BASICALLY WETLANDS DON'T COUNT.
STEEP SLOPES DON'T COUNT AREAS NEAR THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY DON'T COUNT.
AREAS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE HOA DON'T COUNT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1993 REPORT DONE BY NUSSBAUMER AND CLARK, YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, IT IS JUST SIMPLY NOT ACCURATE.
PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IS PERMANENT.
OPEN SPACE DOES INCLUDE WETLANDS.
IT DOES INCLUDE AREAS THAT ARE NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND IT DOES INCLUDE ONE PARCEL THAT REMAINS OWNED BY THE BURKE FAMILY.
THE REASON WHY IT'S OWNED BY THE BURKE FAMILY IS THE HOA WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ACCEPTING ITS DONATION AT NO COST, BUT IT STILL IS GREEN SPACE.
SO I THINK WE'VE MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER DOING IS ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US THEN GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR SOME MINOR VARIANCES AND COME BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUESTS.
AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN VERY, VERY EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION SUBMITTED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DOCUMENTATION, UH, EITHER MYSELF OR MR. PFE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WELL SURE.
SOMETIMES THIS DATABASE IS NOT QUITE AS PRECISE WITH THE LOCATIONS.
HAS ANYONE GONE OUT TO FIELD VERIFIED THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SWELL IS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING POSSIBLE TO EITHER DO SOME SORT OF MAGNETOMETER IT'S BURIED IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD ACCORDING TO THAT DATABASE? SO I MEAN TO, I MEAN, IS THERE A POTENTIAL TO DO SOME SORT OF A MAGNETOMETER SURVEY OR OTHER SURVEY TO JUST CONFIRM WELL, IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
NO, I'M, I'M THE PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT THERE.
YEAH, I MEAN, DAVE'S BEEN NORTH THIS PROPERTY FOR DECADES.
DAVE, YOU WERE NEVER, I MEAN, I KNOW.
DID SOMEBODY FIND THE WELL OR MARKET WITH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY? I CAN'T TELL YOU 19 NINE WHAT HAPPENED, BUT IT'S NOT THERE.
NOT, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NOT A WELL ON THE SITE.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY KAYLA, AND IT IS CLOSED.
I MEAN, OH NO, I AGREE THAT IT'S CLOSED.
WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH THE, WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU NEED TO WORK AROUND IT, IF THERE'S AN ABANDONED WELL, WITHIN THE CONCRETE, WELL, REMEMBER WE DID GEOTECHNICAL TESTING.
DAVE'S DONE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION PRIOR, OBVIOUSLY IN WESTERN NEWARK, IN THE VERY, VERY, VERY UNLIKELY POSSIBILITY THAT HE WOULD ENCOUNTER THAT HE WOULD'VE TO DEAL WITH IT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THE SAME WAY IF YOU, IF YOU ENCOUNTER AND CONTAMINATED SOILS, RIGHT.
YOU, YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH WITHOUT DOING REMEDIATION.
RIGHT? THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CAPTAIN ABANDONED GAS WALL, BUT EVERY INDICATION IS, IT'S NOT ON THE SITE.
IT'S ACTUALLY BURIED IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A CONCERN.
I THINK HAVING, UM, IF, IF THE APPLICANT'S POSITION IS THAT IF YOU FIND IT, YOU'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, MAYBE A BRIEF UNANTICIPATED DISCOVERY PLAN OR WHAT THE PROTOCOL THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWED.
IF THAT WERE DISCOVERED ON SITE, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO INCLUDE IN THE DOCUMENTATION THE SEEKER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? BUT YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF VARIANCES THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
SO BECAUSE IT'S QUOTE UNQUOTE, HAMBURG IS UNIQUE, A TOWN HOME PROJECT, AND WE HAVE TO CREATE, WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL RATHER THAN SUBDIVISION APPROVAL SITE RATHER THAN SITE PLAN.
SO EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND ALL THE REST IS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SO WE NEED SOME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, A REAR REGARD SETBACK HERE, BUT THE SITE'S GONNA FEEL LIKE THE SETBACKS HERE.
SO SOME VERY MINOR, MINOR VARIANCES, THOSE HAVE BEEN PENDING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UH, THEY CANNOT ISSUE A DECISION UNTIL THEY'VE RECEIVED A SECRET DETERMINATION FROM THIS BOARD IN ITS CAPACITY AS A LEAD AGENCY.
AND AGAIN, IF SOMEHOW THEY DENIED THOSE VARIANCES AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS, IF THEY WERE DENIED, THEN WE'D HAVE TO BE, WE'D BE FORCED TO MAKE THESE FOUR LEASE UNITS AND GET RID OF THE LOSS, WHICH IS NOT OUR INTENTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, UM, AS MR. HOPKINS SAID, I DIDN'T TURN IT OFF.
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BEFORE THE, THE, UH, SARAH WILL CATCH THAT I DIDN'T REPORT BACK WITH YOU.YEAH, IT'S BEEN ON FOR AN HOUR AND EIGHT MINUTES.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS ALREADY.
THAT STUFF IS ALREADY PART OF THE RECORDS, SO DON'T HAVE TO BRING UP SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, CAN YOU WANNA READ THE NOTICE? SURE.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY DATE OF DEVELOPMENT LLC TO CONSTRUCT A 57 UNIT TOWN HOME SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST AQUA COOK DRIVE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B ON HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DAYTO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'M RAISE OF HANDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD COMMENTS ON THIS.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT AND START WHILE SHE'S MAKING THE SO NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR? YES.
UH, RAP FERRO, UH, ATTORNEY WITH O RUSS ON BEHALF OF, UH,
I ALSO LIVE AT 5 4 1 6 BROOK CIRCLE, UH, IN, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I GUESS REAL QUICK ON THE GAS FLOW ISSUE THAT ATTORNEY HOPKINS TALKED ABOUT, I, MY SUGGESTION AND I, I THOUGHT, AND I COULD BE WRONG, I THOUGHT THE GAS WELL WAS INITIALLY ON THE PROJECT SITE.
SO I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION OR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT WOULD BE IF WE COULD JUST LOCATE THE GAS WELL AND FLAG IT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD CLEAR UP IF IT'S NOT ON THE SITE.
IT'S NOT ON THE SITE, IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IF IT IS, WE SHOULD AT LEAST LOCATE IT AND UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AND OTHER ACTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTED CERTAIN SETBACKS AND REQUIRED OTHER, OTHER SUBDIVISIONS TO EITHER LEAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE AROUND THE WELL VACANT, UM, ET CETERA.
SO IF IT'S NOT ON THE SITE, NOT AN ISSUE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ATTORNEY HOPKINS MENTIONED, AND OBVIOUSLY THE REDUCTION FROM 97 TO 57 WHERE THE NUMBER IS, WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
UM, ALTHOUGH I THINK RESPECTFULLY, ATTORNEY HOPKINS IS CONFLATING A LITTLE BIT OF THE OPEN SPACE FIRST RECREATION SPACE ARGUMENT HERE, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LONG AND, UH, HISTORY ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH.
UM, AND WHILE WE APPRECIATE THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER IS EXTENDING SOME OF THE RECREATIONAL ITEMS HERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE HEART TRAIL, WHICH ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PUT AND YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES THROUGHOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE HEART TRAIL ITSELF HAS NOT EVEN BEEN, BEEN COMPLETED ACCORDING TO THE PUD.
SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP, THE FIRST ASK OF THIS DEVELOPER SHOULD BE TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE HEART TRAIL THAT HAD PROMISED THIS BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY TO COMPLETE OVER 20 YEARS AGO.
UM, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS REQUESTS, I THINK GOING BACK 20 YEARS, EXACTLY 20 YEARS AGO IN THE 2003 MINUTES, ASKING FOR A FINAL HEART TRAIL MAP OF THIS DEVELOPER THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN PRODUCED AS FAR AS I KNOW.
UM, SO WHILE THOSE RECREATIONAL ELEMENTS OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT ARE GREAT AS PROMISED, UH, BASED ON THE TRACK RECORD, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL ACTUALLY EVER GET COMPLETED BECAUSE THE HARD SHELF FOR THE ENTIRE POT STILL ISN'T COMPLETED.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE RECREATIONAL FIRST OPEN SPACE, UH, YES, AS ATTORNEY HOPKINS SAID THIS, THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, THIS NINE ACRE PARCEL MEETS THE QUOTE UNQUOTE 10% RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENT IS, IS REQUIRED UNDER TWO 30 OF THE TOWN CODE.
HOWEVER, YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT THIS PARCEL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE PIECE.
IT'S, IT'S PART OF AN ENTIRE HUD AND AS WE KNOW AND ATTORNEY LUI'S LOOKING FOR, AND EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR THE, THE DEDICATION OF 27 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE RECREATION SPACE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, IS STILL AN OPEN QUESTION.
BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPER WAS GRANTED A LEGAL AGREEMENT MADE AND ENTERED INTO A LEGAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN TO PROVIDE 27 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IN THIS QUARRY DEVELOPMENT ONLY IN EXCHANGE FOR WAIVER OF ALL OF ITS RECREATION FEES WITH RESPECT TO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW THAT AMOUNTS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, OBVIOUSLY, TO THE TOWN AND A SAVINGS TO THIS DEVELOPER.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A COPY AS WE SIT HERE TODAY.
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THE FINAL APPROVED RESOLUTION THAT STATES WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN IN CONSIDERATION.WHAT I MEAN, GIVEN IN CONSIDERATION WAS, WAS IT THAT THE DEVELOPER GOT ALL OF ITS RECREATIONAL FEES WAIVED FOR 27 ACRES OF LARGELY UNUSABLE LAND, WHICH TO ME WOULD SEEM LIKE A HELL OF A DEAL FOR THE DEVELOPER.
OR DID THE DEVELOPER GET 27 ACRES OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY RECREATION SPACE? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE POINTED OUT IN MY SUBMISSIONS TO THE TOWN IS ALMOST ALL OF THE ACREAGE AND OPEN SPACE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COUNT TOWARDS THIS 27 IS LARGELY UNUSABLE.
IT CONSISTS OF WETLANDS, CLIFFS, IT CONSISTS OF PONDS.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TALKING 27 ACRES OF RECREATION SPACE FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY ON IN EXCHANGE FOR THE DEVELOPER PAYING NO RECREATION FEES.
UM, IT'S ALSO NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE THAT DHOA HAS REFUSED PROPERTY.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARCELS IN MR. HOPKINS SUBMISSIONS TO THE TOWN IN HIS MAY 10TH OR 12TH LETTER WHERE THEY WENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPER'S CALCULATIONS OF WHAT QUANTIFIES OPEN SPACE.
UM, IF, IF YOU GO BACK THROUGH THE, THE RECORDS, THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF AREA CODES IN THIS 1992 POD.
ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE, THE ENTIRE POD WERE CLASSIFIED INTO AREA CODES.
THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF AREA CODES, J AND K, SO OUT OF AREA CODES, J AND K, THE DEVELOPER WAS LEGALLY OBLIGATED 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ANY RECREATION FEES TO PROVIDE 27.08 ACRES I THINK IT IS, OF OPEN SPACE.
IN MR. HOPKINS SUBMISSION, HE'S TRYING TO COUNT SPECIFICALLY A 3.6 ACRE PARCEL THAT HE MENTIONED IS STILL CURRENTLY OWNED BY BURKE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ENCUMBERED ALMOST 90% BY WETLANDS AS OPEN SPACE FOR THIS QUARRY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
BUT THAT PARCEL AT ISSUE IS AN AREA CODE I, IT'S NOT PART OF THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT.
SO DEVELOPER'S TRYING TO TAKE A PARCEL FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE POD, INCLUDE IT AND LUMP IT INTO ITS 27 ACRE CALCULATION AND INCLUDE IT AS PART OF OUR, OUR OUR OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN MR. HOPKINS, SUBMITTALS, MY SUBMITTALS.
I UNDERSTAND THE PLANNING BOARD'S ATTORNEY HAS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND IS REVIEWING IT.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND YES, MR. HOPKINS HAS A ASKED, UH, TO MEET WITH MYSELF AND MY CLIENT ON THIS.
FRANKLY, WE DON'T, WE, WE UNDERSTAND WE'D APPRECIATE THAT OUTREACH, BUT I, I DON'T SEE, AND OUR, MY CLIENT DOESN'T SEE A BENEFIT TO, TO MEETING ON THIS 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST SHAKE HANDS AND SETTLE.
THERE ARE LEGAL AGREEMENTS AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, DEALS, FRANKLY, THAT WERE MADE WITH THIS DEVELOPER 20 YEARS AGO THAT SHOULD BE HONORED.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE IN A POSITION TO SAY, YEAH, WE'RE JUST GONNA WAIVE THESE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, FINDING OUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE TOWN TO WAIVE THESE RECREATION FEES IS IMPORTANT.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOT AN AGREEMENT OUT THERE, IF THERE'S NOT A FINAL BOARD RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ULTIMATE, YOU KNOW, WAIVER OF THE RECREATION FEES, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THAT LEAVES US OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY THE, THE DEVELOPER OWING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE TOWN.
RIGHT? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE RECREATION FEES DO GO TO THE TOWN TO OUR CHILDREN TO SUPPORT THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, LAND DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY WAIVED IN EXCHANGE FOR 27 ACRES OF, OF LAND THAT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I ASK THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, REVIEW OUR SUBMITTALS IN LIGHT OF, UM, THE DEVELOPERS THIS AND SIMPLY UPHOLD WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY GRANTED OR NOT GRANTED TO THE DEVELOPER 20 YEARS AGO.
UNFORTUNATELY, UN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT GOES BACK A LOT OF YEARS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? BUT MARIA? NO, THANK YOU.
UM, JENNIFER, NOT TO ADD MORE TO YOUR ALREADY SUPER OVERFLOWING PLATE HEARING.
I'M NOT RESPONDING, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, SO TO MOVE BEFORE FORGET AND YOU ALSO AT SOME POINT IN TIME TELL US WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, GIVEN THAT WE CAN'T FIND THAT RESOLUTION.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'M, THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON.
DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY BRING UP THE SIGN UP SHEET PLEASE?
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ALRIGHT.THERE WERE WAY MORE HANDS THAN THIS.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, DO SIGN IN.
MARK DEPAL, UM, HOMEOWNER BEFORE 17TH ON BROOK CIRCLE.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE, THE BOARD TONIGHT.
UM, THE KNOW WE, THE HOA, WE DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD PROVIDE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF DATA ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT, UH, NEEDS TO BE STUDIED FURTHER AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE THINK WE DESERVE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ASKED, UH, IN THE FIRST PROJECT HERE.
AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHY DOES THE ENTRANCE NEED TO BE ON B BRIARCLIFF? UM, IS THERE SOME ENGINEERING STUDY OR REPORT THAT SAYS EGRESS ON CL BANK IS, UH, IS ILLEGAL OR AGAINST A PARTICULAR CODE? IF SO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT.
UM, ANOTHER POINT WHEN THE DEVELOPER WAS PROPOSING TO BUILD DEPARTMENTS HERE, ORIGINALLY, THE APARTMENTS WERE 140 FEET AWAY FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS, UM, WITH PROPOSED GARAGES ALONG THE TRACKS TO BUFFER NOISES.
UH, SINCE THEN, UM, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED IN MANY WAYS.
UM, AVERAGE TRAINS, UH, AVERAGE SPEED OF THE TRAINS COMING THROUGH THERE HAS, HAS INCREASED, UM, TO ABOUT 70 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THE TRAIN TRAFFIC ITSELF HAS INCREASED ABOUT 500%.
SO FROM A HUNDRED TRAINS A DAY TO ROUGHLY 500, OR SORRY, A HUNDRED TRAINS A WEEK TO 500 A WEEK.
UM, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, HUD, FHA ALL SAY THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RAILROAD TRACK, YOU NEED TO CONDUCT STUDIES ON USING SPECIALIZED BUILDING MATERIALS TO BEST MANAGE THE VIBRATIONS AND THE NOISE ASSOCIATED.
UH, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ALSO MEANS A 500% INCREASE IN USABLE EMISSIONS.
UH, IMAGINE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE NEXT TO A TRUCK STOP WITH ALL THE EMISSIONS, SOME OBVIOUS IN SMELL AND, UM, VISIBLE OTHERS ODOR-FREE AND LIKE CARBON DIOXIDE AND LESS OBVIOUS.
UM, IN ADDITION, WITH THE REGULAR ONGOING VIBRATIONS CREATED WITH THE BY THE TRACKS TRAIN TRAFFIC, UH, EVENTUALLY CAN WEAKEN STRUCTURES NOT BUILT TO WITHSTAND THAT ENVIRONMENTAL FACTOR, WHICH IS WHY CALIFORNIA HAS SUCH STRINGENT BUILDING CODE, UM, SPECIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONSTANT VIBRATIONS AND EARTHQUAKE ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENS OUT THERE.
SO TODAY, DA'S PROPOSAL HAS MOVED THE DWELLINGS 90 FEET CLOSER, UM, TO THE TRACKS THAN THE APARTMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED.
WHILE TRAIN TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, 500% SINCE THE LAST STUDY, SO CLEARLY THE NEEDS THIS, THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE REEVALUATED, GIVEN THE CHANGING CONDITIONS AND CHANGING DYNAMICS TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF, OF THE RESIDENTS.
OKAY, NEXT UP, DON, UM, I'M GONNA PUT THE SIGN IN SHEET OVER HERE, SO IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN WHILE DON'S SPEAKING, PLEASE COME UP AND SIGN IN.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AND WINDING ROAD WITH BOTH THE BEATLES, BUT, UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT BILLBOARD'S DILIGENCE AND, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS COMPLICATED PUTT.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS THE FIRST ONE IN HAMBURG, AND I'M SURE YOU LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT AS DREW WILL ATTEST TO, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, DREW RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, THE DATA PROJECT BE EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERITS AND THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE ISSUE OF THE, UM, LACK OF GREEN SPACE, UH, IN, IN LIEU OF THE, UH, RECREATION FEES.
BUT DREW'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LEGITIMATE IF THE ENTIRE PUD WAS REVIEWED THAT WAY.
THE ISSUE IS THE PUD ITSELF, THAT MAP FROM 1992 HAD 27 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD AGREE, AS ISRAEL SAID, TO WAIVE RECREATION FEES FOR ABOUT 18 ACRES OF LOUSY LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER COULDN'T USE, HE COULDN'T SELL, COULDN'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF, THEY DIDN'T WANNA MAINTAIN.
SO THEY GIVE US, THEY GIVE US THE PONDS AND WE SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THOSE OVER THE YEARS.
SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GOOD DEAL FOR, FOR THE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GIVE AWAY THE LAND THEY CAN'T DEVELOP AND THEY, THEY GET WAIVER OF THE RECREATION FEES AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION ON THAT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THIS LITTLE PIECE AND SAY, I'M JUST GONNA LOOK AT THIS PIECE.
AND IF THEY HIT THEIR PERCENTAGES, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A COMPLEX WEB OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THE 1992 MAP SHOWS OPEN SPACE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PARCELS, IF BURKE DIDN'T HIT THOSE, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? FOR INSTANCE, THE EMERALD?
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NO, THE, UH, EAGLE, EAGLE RIDGE COMMONS ON THE NINE TWO MAP, IT SAYS SUPPOSED TO HAVE 18 AND SOME ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.SO RIGHT THERE IS STORED FORWARD.
SO IF YOU'RE USING THIS MAP, IT'S A GUIDE SINCE THERE'S NO SIGNED AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN FIND YET.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION IS OF OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE OR RECREATION SPACE, BUT IF YOU USE THAT AS A, AS A GUIDE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE THAT WAS ON THAT MAP OVERALL, THE PROJECT.
SO LET'S SAY THERE WAS, OTHER THAN THE 27 THAT, LET'S SAY ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS PIECES WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 50, JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE.
AND NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT, THEY CHANGED THE NAME, THEY CHANGED HOW THEY DO IT OVER THE YEARS AND GOT WE CHOOSING IT AND NO ONE'S A COUNTING FOR THE CHANGES, AND NOW THEY ONLY HAVE 30 ACRES INSTEAD OF 50.
NOW WHAT DO YOU DO? RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A BRAND NEW THING, THE PUN, IT WAS A BRAND NEW PROJECT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A PROCESS IN PLACE TO, UM, MONITOR THE RECORDED GREEN SPACE.
YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT BUR MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PIPE BECAUSE IT WENT ON SO LONG AND THERE'S SO MUCH, SO MUCH CHANGE OVER IN THE BOARDS.
HOW CAN YOU TRACK THAT AND WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE TO TRACK THAT? SO THAT'S THE FIRST POINT.
THE SECOND POINT IS THAT THEY GOT AWAY FROM THE FEAST.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN BUILD A PLAYGROUND.
YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE NINE ACRE DEVELOPMENT, HAS A TOP LOT GAZEBOS, ALL THIS STUFF.
WE GOTTA SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DEVELOP, TO BUILD A PLAYGROUND.
WE, WE HAD, WE GOTTA MAINTAIN THE PONDS.
WE DIDN'T GET A PLAYGROUND, AND YET THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT YOUR ISSUE, IT'S A TOWN BOARD ISSUE.
BUT WE WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THE END OF JUNE AND WE SAID, LOOK AT, THESE ARE THE ISSUES.
I THINK THEY WERE WAITING FOR YOU GUYS TO DO GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOES ON BETWEEN YOU AND THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT WE WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD AND WE, WE BROUGHT THE ISSUE UP.
UM, AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THE HUD THAT WERE NEVER COMPLETED.
THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SIX MILES, SIX PLUS MILES OF, OF RECREATION TRAIL FOR HIKING, BIKING, AND WALKING.
IT WAS INTENDED, IT WAS INTENDED TO CONNECT ALL THE COMMUNITIES AFTER GETTING THE HUD APPROVAL.
LESS THAN A MILE UNIMPROVED FOOT TRAILS WERE, WERE PROVIDED TRAILS TO CONNECT EMERALD GREENS TO SAWGRASS AND BRIARCLIFF TO SADDLEBROOK WERE NEVER COMPLETED, NOR WAS A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT BRIARWOOD TO SADDLEBROOK.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE DON'T THINK BURKE HELD UP HIS END OF THE DEAL.
AND THE PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T THINK THE PLANNING BOARD COULD MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THE TOWN ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETWEEN YOU AND THE TOWN AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, AGAIN, GET THE TOWN TO LISTEN TO US, BUT NO SUCCESS SO FAR.
UM, SO I, AGAIN, WE, WE BROUGHT ISSUES UP AND, AND, AND EVEN THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WE DID, WE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, THAT MARK BROUGHT UP ALSO ABOUT THE ROAD GOING OUT TO CLOVER BANK.
THERE'S NO REASON THE ROAD SHOULD COME INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF ROADS CLOSER TO THE TRACKS THAN THIS ROAD WOULD BE GOING OUT ON CLOVER BANK.
THE ONLY REASON THEY WANNA DO IT IS THE MONEY, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 'EM TO BUILD A ROAD.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
BUT WE BROUGHT THAT UP AND AGAIN, WE HAVE NO RESPONSE FROM THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED IN SAY SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S NO MORE, OH, THERE'S NO MORE PEN.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
SPELL IT OR JUST SAY IT? BOTH, BOTH.
FOR THE MINUTES, IT'S POLISH, SO.
OH, I, UM, MICHELLE SLOSKY, S-A-C-I-L-O-W-S-A-I.
UM, I LIVE ON 51 38 BRIARCLIFF WITH MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, SO I KIND OF JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE AND COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYBODY WHAT THEY'VE SAID SO FAR.
AND JUST THE BIGGEST AREA OF CONCERNS FOR US IS THAT ONE OF THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS WAS TAKEN AWAY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT REALLY IS GONNA BACK UP A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT IT STILL IS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
SO LIMITED ACCESS AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TWO BLIZZARDS THIS PAST YEAR WITH SEVEN FEET OF SNOW EACH.
SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE EXISTING WITHIN THAT AREA, IF IT DOES OCCUR.
UM, THE SECOND THING THAT'S KIND OF AN AREA OF CONCERN FOR ME, JUST AS A HOMEOWNER IN GENERAL, IS THAT I'M LIKE, IF YOU GO BEHIND MY SHED AND I JUST LAY
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MYSELF DOWN, LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST PARKING SPOT'S GOING TO BE.UM, SO I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HAVING PARKING LOTS JUST SO INCREDIBLY CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY LINES.
UM, JUST BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN AREA.
THEY HAVE DOGS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DOG.
SO JUST HAVING THE, THE PARKING SPOT SO INCREDIBLY CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES JUST MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE JUST AS A HOMEOWNER.
UM, WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE DATA DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK, NO COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK.
THERE WAS MORE ON THE OTHER S CODE.
UM, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THE DATA DEVELOPMENT BEING NONE AT THIS TIME? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO AS EVERYBODY SAID IT, SO THERE'S BEEN A LONG AND WINDING ROAD.
UM, OUR AGENDA ON THE 20TH IS ALREADY TOLD.
SO WILL YOU BE ABLE, JENNIFER, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET FROM YOU ON THIS PROJECT.
WILL YOU HAVE THAT BEFORE OUR MEETING ON THE FOURTH? I'M HOPING TO RIGHT NOW FOR THE END OF THE MONTH.
WHICH WOULD BE THE FRIDAY BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE OF DEVELOPMENT TO OCTOBER 4TH.
AND MY OTHER REQUEST WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT.
I YOU COULD JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMENTS.
COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED AND REFERENCE ANY RESPONSES JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE TEN FOUR MEETING.
YEAH, THERE'LL BE NO DECISION THAT NIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AUTHORIZING ANY RESOLUTION TO BE PREPARED.
WE, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE DIRECTION TO POTENTIALLY PREPARE RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE COULD EVEN PUT IN A RESOLUTION UNTIL WE COULD HAVE MORE.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT BY 10.
RIGHT? ANYBODY THINK WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DECIDE.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT WHAT WELL THIS LOOKS LIKE AT THE END, BUT HOPEFULLY THE MEMO WILL HELP YOU AT LEAST WITH SOME, SOME THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.
A MOTION BY BILL TO TABLE THIS TO OCTOBER 4TH.
WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THE COMMENTS.
WELL JUST PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY 10 AFTER EIGHT.
I THINK GIVEN THE EXTENSIVE INTEREST, IF WE COULD GET A WRITTEN RESPONSE FOR THE FILE AS WELL, THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
THERE'S SOMETHING DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAID AHEAD OF TIME.
WELL, YEAH, THERE WAS, BUT ALRIGHT.
SO THE, THE ONE FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT I HEARD TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME IS ALL OF A SUDDEN THE, WHAT IS THE CORE AREA? IT'S CHANGED, IT IS CLEARLY AREAS I, J AND K, IT CONSTITUTES 107.4 ACRES.
THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 25%.
NOW I WANT TO COME BACK TO ONE THING.
SO, SO ON ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF SUBMISSIONS FROM BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT HAVE MAPS AND WE'RE KIND OF, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT AND CAPABLE OF KIND OF REACHING OUR OWN DECISIONS, IN MY OPINION ON THOSE ISSUES.
BUT I'M, I'M READING RIGHT OFF THE ACTUAL MAP.
I JUST WANNA, JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UH, IT'S NOT A NO NO BACK AND FORTH.
YOU, IT'S NOT A, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER.
YOU HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
AND THE APPLICANT SHOULDN'T BE SPEAKING, RIGHT? RIGHT, EXACTLY.
SO, SO I MADE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
JUST GONNA PAUSE FOR A COUPLE MINUTES HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS LEAVING THE ROOM.
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ANYBODY CAN TAKE ANY CONVERSATIONS EITHER, UM, MAKE SURE YOU SHUT THE DOOR TO THE HALLWAY, TAKE THEM OUTTA THE ROOM, OR TAKE THEM OUT OUT THE BUILDING.WE WILL BE CONTINUING IN JUST ONE MINUTE AFTER EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO, TO MOVE OUT OF THE ROOM.
WE'LL BE CONTINUING THE MEETING HERE THOUGH.
LET ALONE JEN, I HOPE YOU'RE READING CONTINU MORE.
HOPE YOU'RE READING CONTINUOUSLY.
UM, SO THERE'S, UM, I WAS ASKING THE DOCTOR QUESTION ABOUT THE CAMERA GOING, BUT BY THE END OF THE, IT WAS, I WAS HEARING PART OF THE LAW, A LOT OF CROSSWORD DESIGNED TO HAVE A SO COUPLE DAYS THE YEAR BAD, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY I HAVE DID NOT SURVIVE LIKE AIR CONDITIONER AND LIKE A HOT, LIKE THE FIFTIES, LIKE DESIGNED TO GET RIGHT THESE SUNGLASSES FOR WEEKS AND SUNGLASSES.
LUCKILY I WHAT JENNIFER? YOU KNOW, THEY BOTH HAVE TO COIST.
OKAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF.
UM, WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING AGAIN.
SO EVERYBODY SIDE DISCUSSIONS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PEOPLE INC REQUESTING A SIX MONTH SITE PLAN APPROVAL EXTENSION FROM DECEMBER 7TH, 2023 TO JUNE 7TH, 2024.
ONCE AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE INC.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, DURING YOUR MEETING ON DECEMBER 7TH OF LAST YEAR, YOU GRANTED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE REDUCED SCOPE AND SIZE, UM, PROJECT.
BASICALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A SIX MONTH EXTENSION PURSUANT TO YOUR ZONING CODE.
SITE PLANS ARE GOOD FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, AND ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT EXPIRE UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH, WE NEED IT IN FACT, UM, WITH SOME FINANCING ASPECTS.
SO WE'RE SIMPLY MAKING THAT REQUEST.
AND I WOULD NOTE OUR PLAN DOES SHOW THE EXTENSION OF THE HAR TRAIL.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO THIS TO A RESOLUTION AND FORWARD TO SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 0 3 C.
YOU ARE GRANTING A SIX MONTH EXTENSION TO THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL, UH, UH, UH, PROJECT THROUGH JUNE 7TH, 2024.
THEY HAVE UNTIL THAT DATE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE
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THERE'S NO MORE EXTENSION, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.SO BEFORE I MAKE THE RESOLUTION, DOES ANYBODY OPPOSE THIS? WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION, WHY, WHY, WHAT'S, WHY DO THEY NEED THE EXTENSION? I UNDERSTAND IT
SO AS A RESULT, WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND APPLY FOR FUNDING THROUGH HOUSING AND COMMUNITY RENEWABLE.
UM, AND IT HELPS TO HAVE YOUR APPROVALS IN PLACE POINTS WISE.
SO THE, THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO EXPIRE THIS DECEMBER MM-HMM
YOU'RE SAYING THAT MONEY WAS TAKEN AWAY? NO.
SO THERE WAS ONLY BASICALLY HCR.
THEY ONLY WILL TYPICALLY FUND ONE PROJECT PER MUNICIPALITY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT RECEIVED FUNDING.
THIS PROJECT SCORED VERY WELL.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN, BEEN ENCOURAGED TO RESUBMIT AND WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT.
WELL, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT DURING THE NEXT FINANCING ROUND OR NEXT AWARD ROUND, WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE AND WE'LL RECEIVE IT.
AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE RECEIVED SOME FUNDING.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT TIERS OF FUNDING IN ORDER TO MAKE A PROJECT WORK.
ONE OF THE FUNDINGS IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S CONSOLIDATED, RIGHT.
UM, THROUGH THE HOME PROGRAM, 500,000.
THE OTHER IS THE SUPPORTED HOUSING, UM, FUNDING THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE FRAIL ELDERS.
I'D LOVE TO, IF I HAD GOTTEN FUNDING, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN A PERMIT THIS MONTH.
YEAH, I I JUST WANT TO HAVE US GO FORWARD THAT YOU DON'T GET THE FUNDING AND WE'VE WELL THEN I HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT IN A YEAR, YOU CAN'T COME BACK IN ANOTHER SIX MONTHS.
SO, SO HOW YOUR CODE SIX MONTH EXTENSION, ONE SIX MONTHS.
WHY YOUR CODE HAS THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
BUT YOUR CODE ACTUALLY SAYS YOU CAN ONLY SEEK SITE PLAN A SIX MONTH SITE PLAN EXTENSION ONCE.
THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS THEY DON'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
YOU COME BACK AND UNLESS THINGS HAVE CHANGED, YOU'D PROBABLY JUST RESU THE APPROVAL.
IT JUST GIVES YOU A CHANCE BECAUSE IF LAWS CHANGE OR CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGES, IT CAN'T GO ON FOREVER.
WE'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM WHERE SITE PLAN APPROVALS ARE FOREVER AND THEN THINGS CHANGE AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT THAT WAY.
SO IT'S A YEAR, YEAR WITH A ONE SIX MONTH EXTENSION.
MOST ZONING CODES NOWADAYS SAY THAT A CYCL PLAN IS GOOD FOR TWO YEARS.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER.
IT'S A ACCOUNT BOARD DECISION, ULTIMATELY GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF FINANCINGS, ET CETERA, AND SEEKER AND WETLAND PERMITS.
AND A YEAR GOES PA A YEAR GOES FAST.
THIS COMING YEAR, HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE REWRITING OUR SITE PLAN.
AND SO GRANT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM DECEMBER 7TH, 2023 TO JUNE 7TH, 2024 PURSUANT TO 2 8 0 DASH 3 0 3 C OF THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE.
WHAT DATE DID YOU SAY DAN SAID QUESTION.
THE DATE IS DECEMBER 7TH THROUGH JUNE 7TH.
THE LETTER, BUT WE ONLY EXTENDED IT TO JUNE 7TH BECAUSE THAT'S SIX MONTHS FROM DECEMBER, 2025.
NEXT ITEM, THE AGENDA IS FEED MORE WESTERN NEW YORK REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 197,700 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY AT 4 8 3 2 CAMP ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, SEEING US THIS EVENING.
I'M AN ARCHITECT, DESIGNER AND PARTNER WITH TROUTMAN ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS ENGINEERS.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING PETE MOORE, WESTERN NEW YORK FOR OUR PROJECT.
UH, PROPOSED AT, UH, FOUR 80, UH, 4 8 3 2
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MY CONSTITUENTS INTRODUCE THEMSELVES SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR NAMES.
AND THEN MICHAEL VALLEY, WHO IS OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT AND, UH, PROJECT MANAGER, WILL, UH, PRESENT THE PROJECT.
I DO HAVE A, UH, A LIST OF THE INDIVIDUALS HERE TONIGHT.
IF I COULD GIVE THIS TO THE BOARD IF YOU'D LIKE, PASS HERE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SAYING US TONIGHT.
I'M TARA ELLIS, PRESIDENT AND EO WESTERN FIELD.
I'M MICHAEL VAL, PROJECT MANAGER PROJECT.
WERE THESE, UH, SITE CIVIL, UM, LANDSCAPE ON PROJECT.
AND MY NAME'S, UH, PETER DECKER.
UM, WE'RE THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE.
I'M BUFFALO CONSTRUCTION SOLVENT.
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WHAT THAT DENNIS, INTRODUCE THE MICHAEL VALLEY.AND YOU BE PRESENTING THE, UH, PROJECT THIS EVENING.
SO LAST TIME WE GOT THIS NEW, UM, THE WORKING SESSION, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE IMAGES AT THE TIME.
UM, FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T REMEMBER, UH, THE TV WASN'T WORKING.
SO NOW WE CAN SHOW YOU SOME MORE OF THE IMAGES THIS TIME.
UM, THIS IS, UH, RENDERING CONCEPTUAL RENDERING OF THE OVERALL COMPLEX.
IT'S ABOUT A 74 ACRE PARCEL TALKING ABOUT, UH, LAND, UH, KIND OF DISTURBANCE OF ABOUT 31 32 ACRES.
IT'S A BIG BUILDING, 200,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THREE MAJOR PROGRAMS. WAREHOUSE, COMMISSARY, KITCHEN AND OFFICE.
SO IF, UH, YOU DON'T REMEMBER FROM THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHEN TARA WAS DESCRIBING FEED MORE OVERALL, THE FOOD BANK OF WESTERN NEW YORK AND MEALS ON WHEELS MERGED TO CREATE THE ENTITY THAT IS FEED MORE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A WAREHOUSE COMPONENT AND A COMMISSARY KITCHEN.
THEY BOTH SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND THEN THE OFFICE IS THE OTHER THIRD THAT KIND OF, UM, FOR ALL THE STAFF THAT MANAGES THOSE KIND OF OPERATIONS.
UM, LOTS OF, WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE, UH, SITE LAYOUT, THIS IS VERY FAR BACK INTO THE SITE, JUST BIT UP ONE BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE SHAPE OF THE SITE, THAT IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE A RECTANGLE WITH THE LITTLE ER TOWARDS IT, ROADS THAT LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, EDGE OR ENOUGH TOWARDS THE, THE ACTUAL STREET.
SO WE PUT IT BACK FARTHER, UM, INTO THE SITE AVOIDING, UH, WETLANDS, UH, TRYING TO REALLY POSITION IT AS PROPERLY AS WE COULD AND, UH, REALLY CREATING A, UH, CAMPUS FEEL AS YOU ENTER THE SITE.
SO YOU ENTER FROM CAMP ROAD, YOU GO MEANDER DOWN, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, A ROAD PATH AND OR KIND OF GREETED BY THAT RENDERING THAT WAS JUST ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THERE WAS ABOUT 400, SO, UH, PARKING SPOTS.
UM, THE OVERALL BUILDING, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BEFORE ALL PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.
UM, THE FIRST PART THAT YOU SEE IN THIS RENDERING IS THE SORT OF THE GREEN PORTION THAT YOU SEE IS THE OFFICE ABOUT, UH, 15 TO 16 FEET TALL.
AND THEN IT KIND OF CASCADES UPWARDS TO THE SORT OF HIGH TIER, UM, SORT OF RACKING THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE WAREHOUSE.
SO YOU GO FROM ABOUT 15 TO 30 FOR THE COMMISSARY KITCHEN.
IT'S TALLER SPACE AND TALLER STILL IS THE HIGH BAY, SORT OF, UH, 50 ISH, UH, FOOT TALL, UH, WAREHOUSE IN THE BACK INTENTIONALLY DID THAT SO THAT THE, YOU'RE MOVING BACKWARDS IN THE SITE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A THOUSAND SQUARE OR A THOUSAND FEET, UH, FROM THE ROAD ITSELF, FROM CAMP ROAD, YOU'RE NEVER SEEING THIS BIG 50 FOOT SORT OF WAREHOUSE ON CAMP ROAD EVER.
YOU HAVE TO GO DEEP INTO THE ACTUAL SITE TO SEE THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, BUT USING A LOT OF WARM HOMES THAT WOULD VIEW, UH, LITTLE GREENS AND BEES AND SANDY COLORS.
UM, AND ALSO INCORPORATING IN THE FOUR OUTBUILDINGS, THERE'S A, A TRUCK WASH, A UH, UM, A GARDEN STORAGE, AN OUTDOOR PAVILION, AND A, UM, GREENHOUSE, GREENHOUSE, GREENHOUSE, GREENHOUSE.
UM, AND SO FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE MADE OUT OF INSULATED BLOCK, UM, SANDY COLORS, AGAIN, TRYING TO KEEP THE EARTHY TONES AND TRYING TO INVITE ANY VISITORS THAT MIGHT WANT TO, UH, SEE THE FACILITY OR POTENTIAL DONORS OR JUST KIND OF REACH OUT AT HAND TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO INVITE PEOPLE IN.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DO YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF PLACEMAKING OR ANY LIKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS WITH LIKE YOUR OVERALL PROJECT WITH ANY OF YOUR FUNDING COMPONENTS OR, OR ANY OTHER PARTNERS? WELL, OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE 225 EMPLOYEES AND 6,000 ACTIVE VOLUNTEERS.
UM, APPROXIMATELY 500 OF THEM ARE OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AREA NIAGARA COUNTY DELIVERING HOME DELIVERED MEALS.
SO WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT IS THE CORE OF EVERYTHING, UH, AND HOW WE MADE OUR MISSION.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY? HAMBURG COMMUNITY IS VERY HIGHLY ENGAGED IN THE WORK THAT WE DO.
UM, YOU MAY KNOW, GOSH, I CANNOT RECALL THE ADDRESS OF OUR HOME DELIVERED MAIL SITE IN HAMBURG COMMUNITY CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S AT, AT THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S ACTUALLY OUR NUMBER TWO LARGEST HOME DELIVERED MEAL SITE IN ERIE AND NIAGARA COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE A HUGE INFLUX OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP TO MAKE THAT WORK POSSIBLE.
WE ALSO HAVE VOLUNTEERS FROM HAMBURG THAT HELP AT OUR CENTRAL OFFICES,
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WHICH OF COURSE THIS WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.AND SO THIS OUTDOOR PAVILION AND THE GREENHOUSE AND AND SO FORTH, IS THAT, HOW IS THAT INTENDED TO BE PROGRAMMED? OUR GREENHOUSE WILL BE PROGRAMMED VERY SIMILARLY TO OUR CURRENT CONTAINER FARMS AND COMMUNITY GARDEN.
UM, FOOD IS GROWN THERE WITH, BY AND FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE IN NEED OF LOW COST FOR FREE HIGH QUALITY PRODUCE.
UM, IT IS THREE DIFFERENT GROWING STYLES BECAUSE WE ALSO HOPE TO INCORPORATE IT IN OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WHICH WE CALL RISE.
UM, THIS PROGRAM CURRENTLY IS FOCUSED ON WAREHOUSE AND LOGISTICS.
WE'LL BE LAUNCHING A CULINARY ARTS AND FOOD MANUFACTURING, UM, MODULE NEXT YEAR THAT WILL ALLOW US TO EXTEND THAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY TO GROWING.
AND SO IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OUTDOOR PAVILION OR ANY OF THE KIND OF ANCILLARY USES TO BE ENGAGED OUTSIDE OF THE LIKE PRIMARY FACILITY KIND OF PROGRAM? LIKE THINKING ABOUT THAT TO BE THE COMPONENT THAT COULD BE EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY VERSUS TRYING TO GET INTO THIS CAMPUS FEELING? I'M GETTING TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH THAT CAN BE MORE APPROACHABLE BY USING THAT THOUSAND FEET OR SO AND SHIFTING IT UP TOWARDS THE, UM, UP TOWARDS CAMP ROAD.
HONESTLY, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SHIFT IT CLOSER TO CAMP ROAD.
UM, PERHAPS SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE WE MIGHT HAVE A USE FOR SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAT WOULD BE A MORE DIRECT, UH, DELIVERY MODEL FOR CLIENTS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE 10, 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INTENTIONALLY BE SET BACK, HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF YOUR COMMENTARY ON THE OUTDOOR PAVILION AND COULD THE COMMUNITY BE ENGAGED IN IT? YES, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD ENCOURAGE AND WELCOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO UTILIZE NOT ONLY THE OUTDOOR PAVILION BUT OUR EVENT CENTER.
UM, PRIOR TO THE COVID PANDEMIC, OUR CURRENT FACILITIES, AND DAN MAY REMEMBER THIS ACTUALLY, WERE VERY FREQUENTLY USED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM ALL OVER ERIE COUNTY FOR A VARIETY OF MEETINGS.
WHETHER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ELDER GROUPS OR OTHER NONPROFITS OR EVEN OUR GOVERNMENT PARTNERS, WE WOULD ENVISION THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY BEING AVAILABLE HERE.
WE CANNOT USE OUR CURRENT FACILITIES FOR IT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE SO BADLY OUTGROWN OUR CURRENT SPACE THAT EVERY INCH IS BEING USED FOR LITERAL PROGRAMMING AND MISSION MEETING.
UM, WE'RE PACKING FOOD OUT IN WHAT USED TO BE OUR MEETING CENTER, SO WE WOULD BE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN RESUMING THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP ONCE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO SO.
ANOTHER REASON, UH, THERE WERE MANY SITE KIND OF LAYOUTS, UH, EARLY ON.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE PAVILION I THINK WAS BROUGHT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER INTO THE MAIN BUILDING IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF IS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FOOTBALL FIELDS LOST.
UM, IT'S A LONG BUILDING, IT'S A BIG BUILDING AND FOR THE LARGE PORTION OF THE STAFF THAT WORK THERE, THE PARKING BEING SO AVAILABLE TO, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO PARK EVEN FOR, FOR VISITORS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO ALL PARK IN RELATIVELY THE SAME LOCATION AND HAVE SORT OF A, AN EASY WAY TO GET TO EITHER THE MAIN BUILDING OR THE PAVILION OR ANY OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE KIND OF IN THAT AREA, RATHER THAN HAVING SOMEBODY HAVE TO WALK OR DRIVE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE DISTANCE FROM ONE END OF THE CAMPUS TO THE OTHER.
SO YOU END UP SEEING THAT IF PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THE PRIMARY FACILITY ARE THE PEOPLE ARE THE SAME POPULATION THAT ARE USING THIS OUTDOOR PAVILION AND, AND GREENHOUSE SPACE? WELL, I DO THINK THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO IN THE FUTURE BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR MORE BROAD USAGE.
FOR EXAMPLE, FUNDRAISERS, GATHERINGS, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.
WE DO SERVE ERIE, NIAGARA CATARACT AND CHAUTAUQUA COUNTIES, NOT JUST ERIE COUNTY.
SO WHEN WE ARE BRINGING THOSE FOLKS TO COME AND MEET, DO LEARNINGS, TRAININGS, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD BE A LOVELY SPACE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT FOR.
SO IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE FOR THE 225 PEOPLE THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SPECIFIC PEMB THAT IS BEING BUILT OUT.
UM, BUT AS I SAID, WE DO HOPE THAT THAT WILL HAVE A BROADER COMMUNITY CONTEXT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
I JUST SEE IT AS A LOST OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE HAMBURG COMMUNITY BY PLACING IT SO FAR BACK FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS LIKE THINKING ABOUT IF IT IS, IF THERE IS A COMPONENT THAT CAN BE BUILT IN WHERE YOU'RE HAVING LIKE A, A ROADSIDE STAND SORT OF ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY WHERE I'VE WORKED DOWNTOWN AND TAKE CAMP ROAD HOME, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SORT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT SORT OF, THAT INTERACTION OR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCE AVAILABLE.
AND COULD BE ALSO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S A LOST OPPORTUNITY.
THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER FOR OUR FARM MARKET TRUCKS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BE CLOSER TO THE ROAD FOR THAT TYPE
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OF ACCESSIBILITY.UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE THE TYPE OF STAFFING MODEL IN PLACE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAN SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE CLOSED TO THAT TYPE OF GROWTH OR INNOVATION FOR THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU SAID 225 EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY? YES, WE DO ANTICIPATE FUTURE EMPLOYEE GROWTH AS WE GROW PROGRAMS OUT, BUT WE ACTUALLY JUST TOLD OUR MANAGERS TODAY THAT FOR THIS YEAR WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT ANYONE ELSE.
UM, WE HAVE JUST SO BADLY EXCEEDED OUR CURRENT CAPACITY.
IS THAT AN EX, IS THIS REPLACING AT ALL THE, THE LOCATION ON G-M-Z-K-C OR IS IT AND HOLT.
SO THE BUT NOT FALCONER THAT WILL BE SO THE EMPLOYEES COULD POTENTIALLY BE COMING TO HAMBURG TO WORK, CORRECT? YES, EXACTLY.
AND THE TRUCKS ARE ALL STORED ON PROPERTY TOO.
IF YOU NOTICE, OH, I'M SORRY, MIKE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO
UM, IF YOU NOTICE THE WAY THAT THAT DRIVEWAY SORT OF CURVES AND, AND SPLITS INTO A Y MM-HMM
UM, THAT DESIGN IS INTENTIONAL TO HAVE THE PASSENGER TRAFFIC GOING TO THE LOWER PORTION AND THE COMMERCIAL TRACK GOING TO THE UPPER PORTION, UM, THAT WAS DONE.
SO WE CAN KEEP VOLUNTEERS SAFE.
WE HAVE A, AS I SAID, A TON OF VOLUNTEERS COMING AND GOING IN OUR WAREHOUSE IN OUR FRONT OFFICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING EVERY DAY.
WE DID NOT WANT THE SEMIS COMING IN FROM DONORS OR LAC DRIVING ON THE SAME PATH AS THOSE VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE WALKING BACK AND FORTH.
UM, THOSE VOLUNTEERS ALSO WILL BE HELPING IN THE COMMUNITY GARDEN IN THE DEEP WINTER GREENHOUSE.
SO REALLY THAT SEPARATION WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, OUR, UH, COMMERCIAL FLEET WOULD BE PARKED IN THAT UPPER LOT.
THE BOTTOM LOT IS FROM PASSENGER FLEET ONLY, AND THERE'S 400 SPACES, FOUR OH PARKING SPACES.
SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, 200 SOME EMPLOYEES, THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER.
SO THAT IS THE, THE WHOLE PARKING STRUCTURE IS BASED ON PROJECTIONS FOR GROWTH TO, YOU KNOW, X MULTIPLIER ON TOP OF WHAT FEED MORE IS OPERATING AT TODAY SO THAT THEY DON'T RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING INTO NOW.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO FULFILL, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICES INTO THE FUTURE.
YOU CAN SUBMIT JUST YOUR CALCULATION.
Y YOU CAME UP WITH THE PARKING THE WAY IT IS.
THIS PLANNING BOARD HAS THE POWER.
THEY APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR A PROJECT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION YOU SUBMIT.
SO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION OF WHY YOU SIZE THE PARKING LOT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOU BEING UNDERSIZED, YOU'RE TRYING TO SIZE IT FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YES, FOR STAFF THAT WOULD BE FUTURE GROWTH, BUT NOT FOR VOLUNTEERS.
WHEN WE HAVE LARGE VOLUNTEER EVENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, DAY OF CARING, WE HAD WELL OVER A HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS.
UM, WE ARE DOING THOSE TYPES OF LARGE SCALE VOLUNTEER EVENTS VERY REGULARLY, SEVERAL TIMES A MONTH.
UM, CURRENTLY THEY ARE PARKING EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE WE'RE SHUTTLING THEM IN FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, THAT IS NOT IDEAL FROM A SAFETY OR LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, FRANKLY.
UM, SO THEY REALLY WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARK AT OUR FACILITY.
WHEN YOU'RE OUT ON CAMP ROAD PARKING ON THE HIGHWAYS THERE, THERE'S NO WAY EXACTLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY OUR CONCERN.
YOU'RE NOT PARKING ON THE ROAD THERE.
WE WOULDN'T WANT A PARKING ALONG THE ROAD.
THAT'S YOUR FINER ACCESS ROAD.
SO JUST SUBMIT THOSE CALCULATIONS TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THE DECISION PROCESS.
SO HAVE YOU DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE
AND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING
AND ARE THERE OTHER THINGS YOU NEED FROM A STUDY STANDPOINT? YOU DON'T HAVE CULTURAL RESOURCE ISSUE ARCHEOLOGICAL, YOU HAVE SIGN OFF FROM SHIPPO, CORRECT? I PRESUME? UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE COMPLETE APPLICATION.
YOU'RE OKAY ON THAT ISSUE? YES.
YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS ON, UH, YOU'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER ON WATER SEWER DRAINAGE, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FROM THAT.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC HABITATS ON THIS SITE, UH, UH, THAT YOU NEED PROTECTION AND NO ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THIS AREA.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SHOWED UP IN YOUR EAF I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MAY NEED TO MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION.
I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS, AND FORGIVE ME IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT LEFT TURNS OUT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY BACK ON THE CAMP ROAD, HAVE, IS THAT ADDRESSED NOT JUST THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, BUT THE SAFETY AND HOW THAT, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TEMPORARILY THROUGHOUT THE DAY,
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WHAT IS YOUR TYPICAL FLOW? IF YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERS, YOU HAVE DELIVERIES.IT'S NOT JUST EVERYONE COMES IN AT EIGHT 30, EVERYONE LEAVES AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
HOW DOES THE FLOW AND STAGGERING OF TRAFFIC MM-HMM
HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND WITH THOSE TRUCKS? HOW, HOW, I GUESS WALK ME THROUGH LIKE AT YOUR FACILIT.
WHAT IS THAT? HOW DOES THAT GO? OUR FIRST EMPLOYEES ARRIVE AT FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING.
UM, THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING IN OUR COMMISSARY BECAUSE ALL OF OUR FOOD PRODUCTION IS FRESH AND JUST IN TIME FOOD PRODUCTION.
SO THEY'RE COMING IN VERY EARLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN FINISH OFF THE PRE-PREP FROM THE DAY BEFORE.
GENERALLY THAT COMES IN, UNLESS WE'RE WORKING IN AN EMERGENCY STATE, YOU MAY HAVE EMPLOYEES THERE THAT ARE JUST CONTINUALLY THERE ON A 24 HOUR CYCLE.
UM, BUT IN A NORMAL DAY, UH, OUR FIRST CREW ARRIVES AT FOUR 30, YOU'LL START TO SEE SORT OF A SECOND CREW COMING IN AT FIVE AND FIVE 30 TO START TO POPULATE THE WAREHOUSE.
UM, IT, WE DON'T REALLY START TO SEE DROPOFFS OR DELIVERIES UNTIL A LITTLE, LITTLE LATER.
GENERALLY ABOUT 6:00 AM THAT'S WHEN WE'LL START TO SEE LAC LIST, DE PEW, DAIRY, ET CETERA, COMING IN.
THOSE ARE NOT ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE THAT I COULD TELL YOU.
ONE ARRIVES AT EIGHT, ONE ARRIVES AT NINE BECAUSE MUCH OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE DO RECEIVE IS DONATED.
WE'RE REALLY AT THE MERCY OF WORKING BOTH WITH THEM AS WELL AS SCHEDULING LOGISTICS FOR WHAT OUR DOCKS CAN ACCOMMODATE.
SO THAT IS STAGGERED AND PLANNED.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN NEVER TAKE IN MORE TRUCKS, THEN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE TO BOTH UNLOAD DUAL QUALITY VERIFICATION AND THEN, UM, PUTTING THE FOOD AWAY.
SO THAT WILL ALWAYS BE STAGGERED NO MATTER WHERE WE WOULD BE LOCATED, UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY TAKE IN SO MUCH INFLUX AT A TIME.
UM, THAT WILL HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
OTHER EMPLOYEES WILL ARRIVE AT SEVEN, ARRIVE AT EIGHT.
OUR FIRST GROUPS OF VOLUNTEERS ARE GENERALLY ARRIVING AT 8:00 AM I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING EARLIER THAN THAT JOY.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT YOU START TO SEE PEOPLE LEAVING 2 33 O'CLOCK, YOU'LL START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF FILTERING OUT, AND THAT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL 7:00 PM AT NIGHT.
GENERALLY, UM, THAT IS THE CURRENT FLOW.
AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY ADD ANOTHER SHIFT THAT WOULD HAVE FOLKS LEAVING LATER, BUT CURRENTLY THAT IS ABOUT THE EBB AND FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
YOU SAID YOU DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, HAS THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK? OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE STATE HIGHWAY, THEY GONNA APPROVE IT AND THE ENTRANCE CONFIGURATION, ET CETERA, HAS TO BE THROUGH, THROUGH THE STATE.
THE PLANNING BOARD IS INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT IF WE COULD GET THROUGH THIS COORDINATE REVIEW PROCESS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL REACH OUT TO DOT AND SEE IF THEY CONCUR WITH YOUR TIME.
SORRY, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FINAL SAY ON ON, ON YOUR CONNECTION.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FINAL SAY.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ON SITE AT THE PEAK DURING THE DAY? WE HAVE THE MOST FOLKS PRESENT.
PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN 150 GENERALLY.
WOULD YOU GUYS AGREE
WE REALLY DON'T EVER HAVE A PICTURE PERFECT DAY IN OUR TYPE OF WORK, HONESTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VERY SIMPLE DAY AND THEN THE BUFFALO BILLS CALL AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE BROUGHT TO 50 PEOPLE TODAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, WE'RE REALLY BUY-IN FOR THE COMMUNITY, SO WE DON'T TURN THE COMMUNITY AWAY WHEN THEY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH US.
WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE LOTS OF ADVANCED NOTICE ON THAT.
BUT IN A VERY CLEAN, PERFECT RARE DAY, I WOULD SAY PEAK QUANTITY IS PROBABLY ONE 50 AT ONE MOMENT IN TIME.
BUT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF A, AN ONGOING FLOW TYPE OF ORGANIZATION.
TOUCH BASE WITH ERIE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT OR FINE, I WOULD SAY COUNTY WANNA SEE THAT, THAT YOU'RE FINE FROM CLOSED FROM WATER AND SEWER OR, OR THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT KIND OF WASTE.
WHAT ABOUT FOR THE CAR WASH OR THE TRUCK WASH? HOW IS THAT OPERATING? UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SO I, I GUESS THE, IT'S FOR THE, UH, THE TRUCKS AND THE TRAILERS AND THE VAN.
SO FEED MORE HAS ALL THEIR TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND THINGS ARE BRANDED SO THAT WHEN THEY GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE SERVING THE COMMUNITY NEED TO GET WASHED SOMEWHERE SO THAT THEY'RE NICE AND CLEAN AND SHINY.
AND WHEN THEY COME BACK, UM, FROM EVERY DAY, THEY'LL, BEFORE THEY GO OUT AGAIN, THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE TRUCK WASH.
SO THE ONE WAY TRUCK WASH WHERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE DELTA SONIC, WHERE YOU BASE, ITS AUTOMATED SYSTEM WHERE YOU START AT ONE END, YOU GO THROUGH THE OTHER, UM, IT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF, UH, KIND OF, UH, VEHICLE THAT THEY HAVE.
WHERE'S THE WASTEWATER GOING? YEAH.
AND LIKE WHAT KIND OF SALT? IT IS A, IT IS A RECYCLED SYSTEM.
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IT EVENTUALLY WOULD IT, AFTER IT GOES THROUGH SO MUCH, UH, RECYCLING PROCESS, WILL THEN IT WILL THEN IT WILL THEN BE, UH, UM, UH, EMPTY INTO THE, INTO THE, INTO MODERN CAR WATER IN THE RANGE OF 90 TO 95%.RECYCLING THEN SOLELY TURNS OVER.
BUT THIS BOARD KNOWS A LOT ABOUT CAR WASHES.
UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HONESTLY, THE EXTERNAL COMPONENTS THAT MIKE IS TALKING ABOUT, YES, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT FRANKLY FOR THE STAFF, UM, AND OUR CLIENTS, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BAY, WHICH WILL BE USED FOR CLEANING OUT THE INSIDES OF THE VEHICLES THAT IS CRITICAL FOR FOOD SAFETY.
THESE VEHICLES MUST BE MAINTAINED, IF YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS MADE A, MADE A REVIEW THAT THE CAR WASHES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE M TWO DISTRICT AND WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE C TWO DISTRICT.
M TWO IS AN ACCESSORY USE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO THEY, SO IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE AN ALLOWED USE IN BOTH.
SO THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TOO, IS, IS THERE, WHAT ARE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE, THE WETLANDS? LIKE HAVE YOU AVOIDED ALL IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS AND NOT JUST JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS? I MEAN, HAVE WE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE AVOIDED ALL WETLAND IMPACTS.
WETLANDS HAVE BEEN FULLY DELIVERED.
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE FIVE ACRES OF WETLANDS ARE TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY A SMALL SECTION THAT, THAT, AND THERE'S A, AN INTERMITTENT STREAM THAT FLOWS ACROSS AND WE HAVE A CULVERT THAT GOES OVER THAT, UH, OVER THAT, OVER THAT INTERMITTENT STREAM AREA.
AN EXISTING CULVERT OR YOU PUTTING A CULVERT IN? WE'RE PUTTING A CULVERT IN.
AND THAT YOU MEAN IT'S THE RIGHT SIZE CULVERT.
AND, AND I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A COPY OF THE, THE WETLAND.
THIS IS PART OF THE, OUR SUBMISSION TOO.
BUT THIS SHOWS THIS, WE'RE OVER HERE.
THIS IS A, A SMALL AREA AND, AND THIS IS A LIMITED, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT RANGE.
AND IT, AND SO OUR, THIS COMING ACROSS HERE, LIMITED IMPACTS HERE.
MARTY WAS LOOKING AT THAT, THE REASON WHY WE ASKED THAT THE TOWN HAS A WEAPONS PROTECTION AND ORDINANCE THAT BASICALLY SAYS EVEN IF SOMETHING'S DETERMINED TO BE NON-JURISDICTIONAL BY THEIR POOR, WE STILL LIKE TO SEE AS MUCH OF THAT PRESERVED PROBLEM.
WE DON'T REGULATE WETLANDS, BUT WE SAY THEY'RE VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND VALUABLE TO THE ENVIRONMENT TO AVOID THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE AVOIDING THEM IN THIS DESIGN.
AND THAT BACK PORTION WEST OF IT, THAT'S THE MOST HIGHLY DENSIFIED FOREST AREA THERE THAT CONTAINS THE WETLAND.
AND THEN IF YOU GUYS RECALL, IN THE BACK CORNER, THERE'S THAT CELL TOWER THAT SITS BACK THERE TOO.
SO WE SPECIFICALLY ORIENTED AND POSITIONED OUR, OUR BUILDING AND SITE DESIGN BASED ON THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY AND AVOIDING THE, UH, THE MAJOR WETLANDS AND THE MINOR WETLAND THAT'S, THAT'S TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, NORTH, UH, NORTHEAST OF THE BUILDING.
THEY HAVE VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS.
NO, I SAID THERE'S A COUPLE OF RANDOM LAYERS HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, IT'S LATE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARCEL LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A TREE PROTECTION LAWS.
AND SO WITH A BUILDING THIS BIG, DO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ANY TREE CONSIDERATION? I STILL WORRY, LIKE YOU SAID, CAITLYN, ABOUT THE LEFT OUT OF CAMP WITH THAT MUCH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THAT IS GONNA BE AN IMPOSSIBLE LEFT.
UM, AND THEN CAN WE, AND ANNALISE, MAYBE THIS IS, THIS IS YOU, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, LIKE ANY AND ALL OF THE VARIANCES OR SPECIAL USE PERMITS OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, IF, IF THERE IS ANY.
SO THE CAR WASH UNDER THE M TWO BEING CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE.
SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, ESPECIALLY ACCESSORY TO YOUR, THEY'RE NOT A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH.
THEY'RE NOT BRINGING PEOPLE IN NEW INCIDENTAL, THANK YOU FOR THE TERM OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY, OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL CAR WASH.
NOT HAVING CUSTOMERS COME IN THERE AND SELL A CAR WASH.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY VARIANCES AT THIS TIME.
AND BIG PICTURE, I MEAN, THERE'S 74 ACRES OF PROPERTY THERE ARE, WE'RE DISTURBING AROUND, IN ESSENCE 34.
SO THERE'S LIKE 40 PLUS ACRES THAT ARE BEING UNDISTURBED.
WE'RE, WE'RE PRESERVING THE MAJORITY OF IT.
IT'S NOT A LANDSCAPE MANICURED, YOU KNOW, GOLF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE ROAD.
YOU'LL HAVE A CLEAR STRIP THAT'S CUT DOWN FOR SECURITY REASONS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT WOULD BE LEFT IS MEADOW LAND, THAT THAT'S THERE NOW.
AND THERE, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY PAPERS.
THERE'S THE CEMETERY AND NOT TOO MUCH RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THE LIGHTS ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE ON ALL THE TIME ON THIS LARGE CAMPUS.
NEXT IS A COMMERCIAL SECTION, IT'S A DIALYSIS CENTER AND A, YEAH.
AND, AND, BUT NOT MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT WITH, THEY
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SHOULD ALL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, BUT NOT MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT.IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH NEIGHBORS OR CORRECT HEADLIGHT CONCERNS OR ANYTHING.
IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THAT THE SITE SLOPES FROM SOUTH TO NORTH MM-HMM
AND THERE'S LITERALLY 50 FOOT DIFFERENCE FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, I MEAN, AND IT'S SLOPES BACK, BUT THE TREE COVER THERE, I MEAN, THERE ARE 40, 50 FOOT, 60 FOOT MATURE TREES.
SO WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY SITTING THERE, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYWHERE THROUGH TO THE, TO THE WEST OR EVEN ALONG, EVEN ALONG WHERE THE CEMETERY ROAD IS.
AND, AND PART OF OUR, UM, OUR, UH, OUR STUDY, OUR ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND, AND WAS REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIP REVIEW, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN EXTENSIVE, UH, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE HAD TO SUBMIT TO, TO SHOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TWO QUARTER ARE BASICALLY ALL BLOCKED.
I THINK THE HELP WITH MARGO, IF YOU CAN, UH, DO A SIMPLE DRAWING SHOW, I THINK YOU HAVE THAT IN HERE, BUT IT'S IN A SERIES OF DRAWING.
IT'S A SIMPLE, THE SITE, WHICH AREAS ARE GONNA BE LEFT UND DISTURBED, AND WHICH BASICALLY YOUR CONSTRUCTION LIMITS.
I THINK JOSH'S MEMO HAD A QUESTION TOO ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS SCREENING NEEDED FOR THE CEMETERY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
WOULDN'T, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING THERE, THERE'S THE, THE EASEMENT ROAD THAT RUNS PRETTY WELL FITS THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE NORTH NORTHERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, THERE'S A 25 FOOT EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE NORTH SECTOR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE, THE VERY NORTH PROPERTY LINE IS, IS HIGHLY, UH, IS IS HIGHLY, UH, WOODED AREA AND IT'S DEEP.
THE, THE NARROWEST PORTION IS RIGHT OUT FRONT AT THE, NEAR THE, NEAR THE ENTRY CEMETERY, WHICH GREEN THERE.
BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THROUGH ANY OF THAT.
WE GOTTA DO A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS ONE, RIGHT? YES.
JUST, UM, DUB BACK TO THE VOLUME TRAFFIC, PUBLIC, THAT KIND OF THING RELATED TO YOUR STAFFING AS WELL.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, A LOT OF YOUR STAFFING AT YOUR CURRENT FACILITY LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION OUT TO HAMBURG ON THAT.
SO LIKE THAT WOULD IMPACT THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC CONSIDERING ANY ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES PERHAPS.
BUT WHEN WE DID OUR, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, WHEN RACHEL DID OUR TRAFFIC, UH, ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF STAFF, SHE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY'S ADDRESSES.
UM, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF OUR STAFF BECAUSE THIS WAS A CONCERN FOR OUR BOARD AS WELL TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHO IS EITHER DRIVING OR CARPOOLING AND WHO WOULD NEED THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NUMBERS WERE ACTUALLY QUITE LOW.
UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE FOR TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW, BEEN SPEAKING TO KIM MLE, UM, AT THE NFTA ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE HOPING THAT ONCE SHE GETS THE LINE, UM, IN PLACE FOR THE AMAZON LAST MILE FACILITY OR WHATEVER THAT THING IS CALLED, UM, THAT WE WOULD SIMPLY BE AN EXTENSION TO THAT FOR THOSE THAT WOULD NEED THAT TRANSPORTATION.
UM, WE ALSO DO HAVE PASSENGER VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZED FOR OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT STUDENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING AS A TROUBLE FOR INDIVIDUALS TO MEET US AT A CENTRAL LOCATION IF THAT SHOULD BECOME UNTENABLE OR, YOU KNOW, THE NFTA DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME THROUGH WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, DAN, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TRYING NOT TO LEAVE ANYONE BEHIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO BUSINESS.
UM, SO BACK ON THE, THERE'S A HUGE PORTION OF THE SITE YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DEVELOP IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IS THERE ANY ABILITY TO PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON SOME OF THE LANDS AT THE BACK PORTION OF YOUR CAMPUS SO THAT THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON SOME SUBSET? YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER NOW IF YOU NEED ME TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
OH, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE IS THAT WEST OF THE BUILDING IS, THAT'S ALL WETLAND ALL ACROSS THAT WHOLE THING.
SO WE, WE WOULDN'T, I MEAN WE AS BM HAVE A CLIENT WOULD NEVER DEVELOP INTO THAT LOOK TO DEVELOP INTO THAT AREA.
BUT WITH WETLAND REGULATIONS AND THINGS CHANGING AND JUST THE WETLAND PROTECTION LAW THAT WE HAVE, YEAH, WE CAN, IF WE COULD EASE THE WETLAND, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT SURE.
THAT, THAT'S NOT A DECISION, HONESTLY, THAT THIS BODY OF INDIVIDUALS, NO, BUT IF YOU CAN LOOK PROPERTY REALLY OWNED BY THE ORGANIZATION, NOT INDIVIDUALS.
SO YEAH, TAKE THAT BACK, BACK TO CONVERSATION.
I THINK THE ONE THING I CAN SAY THAT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR FUTURE PLANNING, LIKE IN THE EVENT THAT FEED MORE HAD TO GROW MORE, THE KINDS OF PLACES THAT WE WOULD GROW ARE NOT WEST.
THEY WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS SKI ROAD OR THEY WOULD BE LIKE IN THE LITTLE PART, LIKE I THINK IN THE OFFICE PORTION, THE KIND OF SQUARE ON THE RIGHT.
BUT JUST ABOVE THAT THERE COULD BE A SPACE, THERE'S GREEN SPACE THERE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD AN ADDITION AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE, WE TRY TO KEEP AVOIDING THE WESTLANDS.
IF IF THERE THERE WASN'T AN ADDITION, IT WAS REQUIRED FOR FUTURE GROWTH.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE KINDS OF TALKS TOO.
WE'RE ALSO HOPING NOT TO HAVE TO GROW.
THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT FOR US,
IS THERE, UM, CONSIDERATION FOR CLEAN ENERGY USAGE AND WITHIN THE FACILITY LIKE SOLAR OR ANY OF YOUR
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OTHER MECHANICAL SYSTEMS? YEAH, WE HAD LOOKED AT, UH, SOLAR, UH, FOR THIS AND BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ENERGY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMISSARY KITCHEN IN PARTICULAR, UH, IT WASN'T A VIABLE OPTION FOR US IN ORDER BECAUSE THE, THE SOLAR OFFSET WOULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT FEED MORE IS, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT IT IS FUNDING THE PROJECT AND TRYING TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND.IT WAS BOUGHT, AT LEAST AT THE TIME, AS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO BUILD THE BUILDING WITHOUT THEM.
I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE COST IMPACT IT WOULD TAKE TO THE OVERALL PROJECT TO HAVE IT WORK OUT.
AND THEN YOU LIKE, I MEAN, THEY'RE KIND OF THROWING 'EM AWAY, THE EV CHARGING STATIONS AND STUFF? YES, WE DO.
WE WE DO HAVE THOSE, YES, WE DO HAVE THOSE.
UH, FOR, FOR THE STAFF AND FOR VISITORS AS WELL.
IN BOTH OF THE PARKING LOTS, THE ONE AT THE SOUTH AND THE ONE TO THE EAST.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, THERE'S A DETAIL ABOUT A, LIKE A DOUBLE CHAIN LINK GATE, BUT THERE'S NO LOCATION NOTED ON IT.
IS THAT TO BE ON SO THE BY LIKE YOUR CAR WASH BY THE TRUCK WASH? YEAH, THE SHOW, THE, THE, THE, THE TRUCK YARD IS, IS, IS GATED OFF.
THERE'S A CONTROL GATE FOR ENTRYWAY.
AND THERE'S A, AND THERE'S A SECURITY GATE, UH, THAT GOES AROUND THAT ENTIRE BACKSIDE OF, OF THE, OF THE FACILITY.
SO IF I'M READING CORRECTLY, THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT GOES FROM LIKE MIDWAY DOWN TO THIS BUILDING TO THE TRUCK WASH.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT GOES YEAH.
HERE AND THEN THAT'S YOUR CONTROL GATE.
AND THEN RUNS, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A GATE THERE.
WHERE DUMPSTERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE DUMPSTER THERE, BASICALLY.
SO THE, THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE IN THE, THE WAREHOUSE ON THE FAR LEFT OF FACILITY
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THAT KIND OF LIKE DARKER SHADED AREA AND THEY ACTUALLY BACK TO THE BUILDING.
AND FROM THE BUILDING FROM WITHIN.
THERE'S GREAT DOWN CODE REPORT THIS SCREEN.
PART OF THE REASON FOR THE FENCING IS SECURITY.
UM, VOUR HAS EXPERIENCED A LOT OF THEFT ON DAMAGE TO VEHICLES.
SO, AND BECAUSE WE'RE OUT AND BACK, EVEN THOUGH WE, WE WILL HAVE, THERE ARE LIGHTS AND THERE WILL BE SECURITY CAMERAS.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER LEVEL OF, OF CONTROL.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE DRIVE AND DRIVING BACK THROUGH THE LOT AREA AND UH, AND POTENTIALLY GETTING LOST OR, OR DAMAGING ANY EQUIPMENT BACK THERE.
IT'S, IT'S MAINLY A SAFETY ISSUE.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF LIKE LANDSCAPING SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK AS THOUGH THAT THERE'S, RIGHT.
'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE THE CLEARING CLEARING AND GRUBBING THAT'S GOING ON AND THEN THE OUTPOST BUILDING IS KIND OF ON ITS OWN AND THEN IT HAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE GOING ACROSS AND THEN ALL THE WAY AROUND SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK, I MEAN, YOU WANNA SHOW THAT YOU'RE BEING PROTECTED, BUT YET ALSO NOT TO LOOK.
INSTITUTIONAL GOES BACK TO MY, MY ORIGINAL, A LOT OF THAT IS ON, ON UM, UNDISTURBED LAND THAT WE LEFT AS AS LIKE MEADOWLAND.
THERE, THERE'S A MASTER, UM, THERE'S A MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT LIKE THE AREA BEHIND THE, UH, THE UH, THE SECURITY FENCE, UH, WHERE THE TRUCK YARD IS, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, THERE'LL PROBABLY, THERE WOULD BE A MOW STRIP BEHIND THE FENCE.
BUT THE REST OF THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND LOW SHRUBS AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR STORMWATER POND IS UP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY ABOUT UM, THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WHOLE AREA IS GONNA HAVE THE STORMWATER POND GRADING.
THERE'S ON THE TOTAL SITE PLANS, THERE'S DRAWING C 4 0 1 AS THE PLANNING PLAN.
I DIDN'T PUT ALL STACK DRAWINGS.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT IS THAT THERE IS A CEMETERY, SOME SORT OF SCREENING.
SO INDUSTRIAL MIX OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO A CERTAIN RIGHT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE SOLID TREE LINE, THAT TREE THAT SCREENS THE CEMETERY.
SO WHAT'S SHOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS IT ONLY LOOKS, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE WAY THE PLAN LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE THREE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING.
THERE'S THE ROAD EASEMENT AND THEN THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PLANTED ONES NEXT TO THE STORMWATER FUND.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT EASEMENT ROAD THAT GOES TO THE CELL TOWER, YOU ARE DRIVING DOWN A WHOLE ROW OF TREES, WHICH IS BETWEEN US AND THE CEMETERY.
AND THERE'S TREES ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EAST OF THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT ROOM AS WELL.
WE DO NOT INTEND TO DISTURB ANY MATURE TREES THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO.
I MEAN THAT IS NOT TO OUR ADVANTAGE EITHER.
WE ALSO WANT THIS TO BE A PLACE THAT OUR STAFF WANTS TO COME TO WORK.
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THEY WORK UNDER EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, STRESSFUL, AND EMOTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES EVERY DAY.SO THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THIS PLAN THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE WARMED, WELCOMING AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF DECOMPRESS AS WELL.
UM, WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU.
SO YOU KNOW, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN ADVANTAGE FOR OUR TEAM AND OUR VOLUNTEERS SMOOTHLY AS WELL.
DOES IT BRING CONSIDERATION AROUND THE STORM, UH, THE STORM POND ADDING SOME TYPE OF LIKE MIX INTO THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE WITH IT SO IT DOESN'T JUST TURN INTO LIKE, UM, GRASSY HOLE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, YOU JUST END UP SEEING THAT LIKE IN A LOT OF LIKE RETENTION PONDS THAT AREN'T BEING MAINTAINED OR THAT AREN'T ESTABLISHED CORRECTLY, THAT DON'T HAVE A MIX OF PLANTING.
KEEP ASKING AND NOW KEEP TELLING ME NO.
YEAH, WE CERTAINLY MORE OF THAT.
A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH MAINTENANCE THOSE POTS, SO MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHY THEY END UP LIVING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY, THE MENT HAS TO BE REMOVED PERIODICALLY.
SO THEN IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE ANY CONDITION? I MEAN NOT TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO SO TO HELP? NO, YOU COULD ASK FOR A PLANTING PLANT AND A SEED MIX THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR THAT AREA TO BE ON THE LANDSCAPING PLANT.
WE'VE DONE THAT WHEN THE PONDS HAVE BEEN OUT FRONT.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TURN IN AN ICEO.
YEAH, IN THIS CASE, POND'S REALLY NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE RIGHT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO I MEAN IT STILL SHOULD BE LANDSCAPE NICE AROUND IT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WHEN THE PONDS ARE OUT FRONT AND VISIBLE AND THEY TURN INTO WHAT THEY TURN INTO.
YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE FENCE AROUND THEM AND THEY TURN INTO THEIR GARBAGE TRAPS AND WHATEVER AND THEY LOOK AWFUL.
I MEAN THIS, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL NOT SEE THAT.
AND I LIKE THE LOOKS, THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK NICE.
ALL THOSE SETBACK FROM THE ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE ENTRANCE SLOPE TO IT.
UM, IT'S NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO HAVE OUR PROPERTY NOT WELL KEPT.
UM, WE ARE ENTERTAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, HIGH LEVEL DONORS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO TO HAVE A SLOPPY PROPERTY IS NOT SOMETHING WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING.
ALSO, IT WOULD NOT BE THAT IRRESPONSIBLE, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE TOWN DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE STORMWATER LAW AS A MUNICIPAL UH, STORM SEWER SYSTEM TO CHECK ON PRIVATE PONDS AND PRIVATE SYSTEMS LIKE THIS.
WE ARE SLOWLY DOING ON THAT MORE WHERE WE REQUIRE REPORTING EVERY ABOUT THREE YEARS, UM, TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE DOING THE INSPECTIONS AND THAT THEY ARE BEING CHECKED.
BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE OF SITE PLAN.
UM, MOST MUNICIPALITIES ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT.
IT'S A LOT OF SITES TO FOLLOW UP ON.
UM, BUT WE ARE DOING THAT ONE.
SO WHATEVER YOU DO TONIGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL SUGGEST IS WE'LL START TO PREPARE THE PART TWO AND PUT A SUMMARY OF ALL THE DATA THEY'VE SUBMITTED THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT PART TWO ANALYSIS AND PART THREE ANALYSIS.
SO WE'LL PART PUT THAT TOGETHER, PUT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU CAN START GOING THROUGH THAT, POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD ON SEEKER AND THEN EVENTUALLY SITE FUNDING.
I MEAN I THINK THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND SEE IF THEY'VE DONE ALL THOSE STUDIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING LINE.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN LINE.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT MUCH MISSING IN ANY JOB.
THAT'S WHY I PUT THE PART TWO TOGETHER AND THEN LIST ALL THE STUFF THAT IN THE PART THREE THAT IS THERE, THE STUDIES TO SAY WHY THERE ARE NO IMPACTS TO SHIPPO, ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHATEVER.
JUST DO WE HAVE ANY REASON WE NEED TO WAIT FOR DOT IF THEY, IF YOU WANT, WELL IF THEY THE TRAFFIC
IT WENT OUT AUGUST 22ND I BELIEVE GOING OCTOBER 4TH BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE FIVE THINGS ON FOR THE 20TH ANYWAY, SO, SO THE NEXT THING WE WOULD'VE TO DO IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR OTHER INFORMATION BASED ON THAT COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC TOO.
THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THE APPLICANT? ME OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU ADD THAT INFORMATION TO START GOING THROUGH AND MAKING THAT RATIONAL DECISION IN THE RIGHT.
JUST ONE SUGGESTION WE HAVE DONE ON LARGER PROJECTS BEFORE, ASK THEM FOR A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SUMMARY LETTER BECAUSE THIS BOARD OF COURSE DOESN'T SEE THE FULL STORM WATER PLAN THAT I WILL SEE AND I WILL REVIEW OBVIOUSLY THIS SIZE, GOTTA MEET ALL THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT YOU HAVE IN THE PAST ASKED FOR SOME KIND OF SUMMARY LETTER BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE AND IMPACTS AS FAR AS SEEKER, THAT USUALLY HELPS KIND OF WAILING YOUR FEEDERS.
SO KIND OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE DRAINAGE PLAN SW OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH OKAY.
AND THEN THAT TRAFFIC ANNOUNCE, TAMMY GETS THE REVIEW REPORT, THE PERFECT ANALYSIS THAT DREW MENTIONED EARLIER.
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WE HAVE IT ON LIST AND I THINK IF YOU COULD WITH THAT, THAT FLOW YOU TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC IS SPREAD OUT OVER THE DAY.YOU WANT US TO CONTEXT? IT'S FUN READ REALLY.
I'M GONNA ASK A GOOD QUESTION BUT IT ISN'T QUICK CLARIFICATION.
SO JUST FROM AN OVERALL LIKE SCHEDULE AND OUR PLANNING PURPOSES PERSPECTIVE, SO THE CONSOLIDATED REVIEW PERIOD CLOSES ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
SO IF THE PUBLIC HEARING'S DONE THE OCTOBER 4TH MEETING, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE SEEKER POST, THE CONSOLIDATED REVIEW WINDOW AND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT THAT OCTOBER 4TH MEETING? I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED, YOU WOULD NEED TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS THAT CAME IN.
WE WOULD WANT YOU TO, DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME OF COMMENTS WE GOT FROM PUBLIC, YOU WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO US WITH A RESPONSE TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RE RECEIVED IN FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT WAS NEEDED AT THAT TIME, THAT MAY DICTATE OUT AT LEAST ONE MORE MEETING.
SO WERE YOU PLANNING ON BILL CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR OCTOBER 4TH PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 4TH, UH, AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 20TH? WELL, A THING WE COULD CONSIDER, I MEAN IT IS A HUGE PROJECT BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY GIVEN THAT LOCATION, THERE MAY NOT BE ANY COMMENTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE'LL ALREADY HAVE THE PART TWO.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PART TWO AT THE MEETING.
AND THEN, THEN BASED ON REVIEWING THE PART TWO, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WILL AT LEAST BE ONE MORE BECAUSE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PART TWO FOR SOMETHING THIS BIG.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE TOTAL ACREAGE? AND THIS MAY BE IN HERE, I NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL YOUR FILES IN MORE DETAIL, IS THE TOTAL AREA OF TREE THERE, BECAUSE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, IF THEY HAVE NOT WEIGHED IN YET, MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON ANY VOLUME OF TREE CLEARING.
AND WHAT GOES ON WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE THE TREE CLEARING FLAW ON THE TOWN AS WELL.
IT GETS WRAPPED IN THE SITE PLAN.
IS THERE ANY GATE RELATIVE TO FUNDING AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE? YEAH, I MEAN WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING HAPPENING.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE OCTOBER 4TH APPROVAL, BUT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE'RE READY FOR, YOU KNOW, SUBMISSION OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND, AND YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP UM, PROGRESSING SORT OF THE, ALL THESE CRITICAL PATH ACTIVITIES.
SO FOR NOW LET'S JUST, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND FEED MORE FOR OCTOBER 4TH.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIFTH THING ON OUR AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 4TH.
SO MAY, MAY I ASK JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE TREE CONSERVATION, IS THERE SOMETHING PUBLISHED, A GUIDELINE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON, IT'S IN THE TOWN, QUOTE I DREW OR ANNISE CAN DIRECT IT'S AND THAT WAS PART OF THAT WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING YOUR, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TRY TO PRESERVE AS MANY AS SIX INCHES LARGER TREATED ON THE SITE AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE US A WRITEUP SHOWING HOW YOU'VE DONE THAT AS WELL AS ANY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS THERE.
CONSERVATION ADVISORY PORTAL BE INTERESTING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG RETAIL LLC TABLE DID, THANK YOU.
UH, HAMBURG RETAIL LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 9:00 AM MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT 4 1 0 0 ST.
OH, CHAIRMAN CLARK, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS PROJECT BE TABLED.
WE STILL HAVE TO, WE STILL HAVE TO GET CLOSE TO CONSISTENCY.
UM, SO AS I JUST SAID, SO WHICH ONE WAS THIS? WAS THIS UBER OR THIS ONE WAS ST.
SO IF WE COULD PUT THAT ONE ON EARLY MEETING UBER.
I WOULD SAY WE COULD PROBABLY TABLE TILL MID-OCTOBER.
EVEN THE EARLY MEET FIRST MEET OBAMA IS PROBABLY, WELL MY SO SOTO SEPTEMBER 20TH AND OCTOBER 4TH ARE OUR PHONE.
MY PLAN WAS FOR HAMMERED RETAIL OCTOBER 18TH FOR HOOVER.
YOU GET TO CHANGE, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA CHANGE, RIGHT.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA TABLE THAT GENERALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE CALLED IT YET, BUT THAT WAS THAT MY PLAN IF YOU
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SUBMIT A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING ANNISE.SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMMER RETAIL LLC TO OCTOBER 18TH.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
AND THAT'S, WE ONLY NEED COASTAL CONSISTENCY BEFORE WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THAT.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUC A SEVEN UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE JUST OPENED THE COWBOY THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED THE COWBOY
IT IS COWBOY AND THE LAKE HORSE COWBOY AND THE HORSE.
BUT IT'S NOT A HORSE IF ONLY IT WAS ON COWBOY AND PONY MEAN.
SO ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEY JUST RECENTLY OPENED THAT RESTAURANT THERE.
AND THIS IS REQUESTING A USE VARIANCE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME KIND OF ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT PROJECT
WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, AS YOU RECALL TO TRY AND DEVELOPMENT.
BUT SO I, I'M FINE WITH THAT BEING REMOVED UNTIL WE MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL.
SO I JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT AND I'M NOT GONNA GIVE HIM DATE.
I'M WORKING MY BILL SECOND BY CINDY, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THE, UM, ALL IN FAVOR,
WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND IS THAT AT ALL AFFECTED BY THE NEW RESTAURANT? LIKE I DON'T, I THINK THEY CAN EXIST SIMULTANEOUSLY.
DO WE HAVE ANY NEWS ON IT? LEONA FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEES HERE? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THE UM, BAYVIEW DAS OF THE BAY? YEAH, THE LISTING DOWN OF THE BAY AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS OR UPDATES? UM, NOT FOR US.
WE ARE WAITING FOR, UM, TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO A WHOLE REVIEW, A SURVEY OF THE LAKE SHORE AREA AND THAT'S PART OF IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
UM, JUST THAT WE DON'T ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PERENNIAL PROPERTIES.
LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A
I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE HERE.
I WAS HOPING WAS DO YOU WANT YOUR OWN SEAT? A RECLINER FOR NEXT? FOR THE NEXT I'D LIKE ALL THOSE RECLINER.
LITTLE SOMETHING COLD TO DRINK.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M GONNA KEEP THIS VERY QUICK.
AS YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT PREVIOUSLY THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER NURSERY AT 6 6 6 6 GOWANA STATE ROAD AS A PERENNIAL RESTAURANT.
AS YOU ALL ALSO RECALL DURING YOUR JULY MEETING, ROSS WARHOL, ONE OF THE TWO OWNERS ALONG WITH DAVE CHUDY, I GAVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT HIS STOCKS WERE LAST NIGHT.
WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THE PURSUIT OF FOUR AREA VARIANCES.
THOSE PERTAIN TO PAVEMENT SETBACK ALL ALONG SOUTH CREEK AND GUANA STATE ROAD, BOTH OF WHICH WERE INCREASING SETBACK ON GUANA STATE ROAD, ALSO INCREASING AND THEN ALLOWING THE SALE OF ALCOHOL WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS ONE RESIDENT WHO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS.
THEIR TWO CONCERNS WERE DRAINAGE AND LIGHTING AND WE ADVISED THEM THAT OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY THE WRONG BOARD THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION THAT YOU CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WHILE I KNOW YOU ALREADY HAVE FIVE ITEMS ON YOUR FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, I KNOW I CAN BE AT THAT MEETING AND I CAN'T BEAT THE NEXT ONE.
SO RESPECTFULLY, GIVEN THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, AND THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT US LAST ON THAT AGENDA HOURS AGO WOULD'VE MOVED SOMETHING AROUND, UM, ASPHALT.
RIGHT? AND I'M, I'M COUNTING ON ASPHALT.
IT'S PART OF A FIVE IN THESE MEETINGS.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA SPEND MORE TIME ON.
OH, I'M JUST SAYING IT WOULD WHAT ASPHALTS ON FOR HEARING? NO, NOT NOT NOT A HEARING, BUT THERE'LL BE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IT ON AS THE SIXTH ONE.
I'LL BE FINE TAKING THE LAST POSITION AS LONG AS I CAN AFTER THE ASPHALT.
I MEAN I DO THINK THIS IS RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
REMEMBER THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION PURSUANT SEEKER, THE BIGGEST HOLDUP IN THE VARIANCES.
AND I THINK IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE SITE CONDITIONS ARE THERE TODAY, THIS IS GONNA BE A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT.
BILL, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR NOTES.
WHEN DID YOU TABLE ALLIANCE HOMES TO THAT MEETING? FOURTH.
DIDN'T HAVE THAT STO STONEFIELD
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FEED DTO AND FEED MORE DATA.HERE'S CLOSE STONE SAID THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT SO RIGHT.
NO, THEY STILL FEEL SO THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT ON THE YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE TO THE FOURTH.
'CAUSE ORIGINALLY I HAD IT FLIPPED WITH TWO OF THEM, BUT IN MAY STILL NEED MORE.
JUST BEING OPTIMISTIC FOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT BEING OPTIMISTIC IS GETS US OUT AT A REASONABLE DAY TIME.
I KNOW, BUT MY AFTER MIDNIGHT, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE CAN MOVE SOME OF THIS EASIER STUFF OFF, WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE CONTINUING TO ROLL.
SO WE MAY NEED TO MAKE THE ASPHALT NUMBERS SIX ON SOME OF THESE MEETINGS OR, OR SEAN NUMBER SIX.
'CAUSE HE WANTS TO BE HERE FOR, WELL I'D RATHER WELL NO, WELL THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON FEE MORE.
UM, WAS ALLIANCE HOLMES A PUBLIC HEARING TOO? NO, NO, NO.
THAT WAS JUST A 'CAUSE REMEMBER IT'S A REZONING.
AND STONEFIELD STONEFIELD WAS THOUGH.
STONEFIELDS NOT A PUBLIC AREA.
I MEAN WE JUST HAVE A LOT GOING ON AND WE MAY NEED TO JUST BE, IT'S A SMALL PROJECT PROBABLY WANNA GET HERE.
UM, THAT OUR NEXT SEPTEMBER, WE ALSO HAVEN'T GOTTEN, THEY DRAFT EIS IS BACK YET ON MAY OR WHAT? THOSE ARE ALSO COMING OUT THERE.
SO LEMME OVER MY YEAH, I IT'S JUST, I THINK WE GOTTA PUT IT ON FOR THE 18TH.
YOU SAID PETER, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S AVAILABLE.
THE PROMISE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE LANCASTER CLARENCE, THAT SAME NIGHT.
NO WAY WE CAN PUT ON ARE YOU TRYING CAN WE DO IT NOVEMBER THANKS.
LET'S PUT ON FOR THE 18TH OF OCTOBER.
ALRIGHT, SO I TABLE, WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON FRONT NEW PROPERTIES FOR OCTOBER 18TH.
ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED? NO.
SO A QUESTION CAME ABOUT THE PARKING SPACE.
I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, DURING THE JULY 19TH MEETING, ROSS WARHOL GAVE AN OVERVIEW THAT THEY CAN SEAT ABOUT 75 20 IN THE LOUNGE AREA.
THEY'RE USUALLY A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE.
YOU SEEM PRETTY COMFORTABLE IF THERE'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED.
PARKING SPACES, 40 PARKING SPACES.
MOST PEOPLE WILL BEPROBABLY IN PAIRS.
IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SHIFT, BUT EIGHT TO 10 THE HOURS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ARE PRETTY LIMITED.
IT'S MONDAY, TUESDAY TO SATURDAY, FIVE TILL 11 AND SUNDAY BRUNCH 11 TO THREE.
AND SO IT WAS EIGHT TO 10 STAFF.
AND THEN REMIND ME THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
YEAH, 75 SEATS PLUS 20 IN THE LOUNGE.
THE POSSIBILITY OF 20 IN THE LOUNGE AND ONLY 40 SPACES.
OH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE TUESDAY TO SATURDAY, FIVE TO 10.
SUNDAY BRUNCH 11 THERE NO STREET PARKING OBVIOUSLY ON THE MAIN ROAD, BUT AS THEY'RE PARKING ON STREET.
THERE'S STREET PARKING ON SOUTH CREEK.
I MEAN YOU CAN'T PARK ON SOUTH CREEK, YOU CANNOT PARK.
I PREFER TYPE PARKING TO TAKING OUT GREEN SPACE FOR HORSE PARKING HERE.
ARE THERE ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? LIKE I KNOW WHEN YOU SEE LIKE
COMMERCIAL, LIKE WHERE YOU CAN END UP HAVING NO, BUT OBVIOUSLY NEXT DOOR WE HAVE THE VACANT.
I ALWAYS FORGET WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE INN? WATER.
I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THAT ACTUALLY GETTING REPOSITIONED AS A BED AND BREAKFAST FOR A COUPLE OF UNITS.
AND IF IT DID, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE SOME EXCESS PARKING THERE.
AND MY CLIENTS KNOW THE NEW OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY AND I WOULD RATHER THAT NOT BE REFLECTED PUBLICLY, BUT, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ON FACEBOOK THERE COULD BE SOME PARKING ON FACEBOOK
SO I MEAN, YEAH, IF THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL EXPLORE OPTIONS.
THIS IS A PRETTY SMALL RESTAURANT.
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WANT OR IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THAT IN WRITING, WE CAN.SHOULD WE SUBMITTED ALREADY YOUR, YOUR REASONING WHY THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING WILL WORK? WELL, WE'VE EXPLAINED IT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ACTUAL WRITTEN SUBMISSION.
ANYTHING ELSE? OH, AND WE ALSO DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN LAST WEEK.
SO IF ANYONE HAS COMMENTS ON THAT OR IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE COME BACK, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IT'S MOSTLY PARKING LOT BUILDING.
WELL, I MEAN TODAY THERE'S NO GREEN, THERE'S REALLY NO GREEN SPACE THERE.
SO YEAH, THE PA RIGHT NOW, THE PAVEMENT GOES RIGHT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE'RE PULLING THAT BACK AND OBVIOUSLY PUTTING GREEN SPACE AND THEN WE WILL ARE ALL OUTSIDE SOME GREEN SPACE AROUND THE GREENHOUSE AND THAT'LL BE USED TO ACTUALLY GROW FOOD THAT'LL BE OBVIOUSLY USED IN THE MENU ON SITE.
I MEAN THERE IS SIDEWALKS THAT GO FROM THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE VILLAGE, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY IF PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT TO THAT FAR YEAH, YOU COULD PARK MUNICIPAL LOT AND WALK.
I MEAN WELL THAT'S A HALL, BUT I MEAN YOU COULD PARK, I MEAN YOU COULD LIVE PARK.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A HILL, RIGHT.
THERE'S A LITTLE, LITTLE, WE MIGHT HAVE A RICKSHAW SERVICE.
I MEAN I WORRIED ABOUT THE PARKING AND THERE BEING A TON FLOW ONTO SOUTH KOREA, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND I'D RATHER NOT SEE THAT CORNER SIT NAKED AND GET THIS LIKE REALLY LOVELY UPSCALE ESTABLISHMENT.
I MEAN THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT ISN'T GONNA HAVE LIKE THE, A HUGE BAR SCENE IT FINE DINING FARM TO TABLE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE'S GONNA HAVE IS LITERALLY 12 COURSE MEALS AND THOSE, THOSE AREN'T GONNA TURN OVER FAST.
ROSS THE HEAD CHEF AT OLIVER'S AND HE'S LIKE A YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
HE SAID BASICALLY HIS GOAL WAS TO DO 90 TURNS A DAY.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S LITERALLY WITH TABLES TURNING OVER.
HE ALSO SAID HIS BAR SPACE WAS GOING TO BE SMALL.
INSTEAD UP TO 20 UP TO BASICALLY FOR BEFORE DINNER.
RIGHT BEFORE DINNER TO WAIT FOR THE, FOR THE TABLE.
THIS IS NOT A NICE, BUT I, LET ME GET BUT LET ME GET SOMETHING FOR THEM.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT SO THEY GOTTA BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH A PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ROSS WILL BE LIVING THERE IN THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE SPACE WILL BE AN APARTMENT.
WE ALREADY TABLED THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, WE ALREADY THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JASON REDING REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA FOR A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AT 3 3 1 2 EAST PLEASANT AVE.
I'M STEVE, I'M WITH VLAD AND ARCHITECTURE ON BEHALF OF JASON.
UM, SO THE LAST HERE, UM, CAN'T EXPLAINED THE PROJECT BUT I'LL GO OVER IT AGAIN.
SO CURRENTLY THE PARCEL THAT MR. REDDING OWNS IS A PLUS OR MINUS THREEQUARTER ACRE LOCK LOCATED IN A RA ZONE, WHICH IS A EXISTING NON PERFORMING CONDITION OF WHICH REQUIRES TWO ACRES MINIMUM.
MR. REDDING IS LOOKING TO DIVIDE THIS PARCEL INTO THREE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS.
UM, KEEPING THE EXISTING PARCEL OR THE EXISTING HOUSE ON ONE PARCEL PARCEL A AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL PARCELS WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, NOW BECAUSE THE EXISTING PARCEL IS ALREADY BELOW THE TWO ACRES, EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL WOULD BE UNDER THAT AS WELL.
IT'D BE AROUND A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FOR EACH PARCEL NOW.
SORRY, SO IS THIS EAST PLEASANT AVENUE 33? NO, THIS IS EAST PLEASANT DRIVE, RIGHT? 33.
EAST PLEASANT DRIVE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SO THERE'S PLEASANT AVENUE EAST PLEASANT.
WELL I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE IT'S INCORRECT IN OUR AGENDA.
SO IT'S THAT BECAUSE YOU DRIVE IT CAUSED ME SOME CONFUSION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LOCATION WHERE YOU, WHERE YOUR RED FITTED, RIGHT? YES.
ANNISE, YOU SEE THAT BE DRIVE NOT AND THIS IS THE ONE, SO THEY WOULD BE THREE.
YEAH, HE WOULD LIKE TO TURN ONE PARCEL TO THREE.
HUG AND, AND THE QUESTION I HAVE WITH CAMMY, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK.
THE MAP I HAVE DOESN'T SHOW SEWERS IN THIS AREA.
IT WAS SAID THAT THERE IS A SEWER, IS IT A SPAGHETTI LINE THAT SERVED AS SO THAT COLLATERAL? YEAH, THAT WAS A
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QUESTION THAT HAD CAME UP LAST MEETING AND I HAD CONTACTED THE HOMEOWNER, UH, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER RATHER AND HE TOLD ME THAT THERE IS BOTH, HE HAS CONNECTION TO PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.'CAUSE THE MAP I HAVE DOESN'T SHOW SEWERS IN THIS AREA.
UNLESS HE'S EXTENDED LIKE A SPAGHETTI LINE LATERAL FROM SOMEWHERE.
IF YOU COULD CHECK THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
FIRST OF ALL IT'S, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
BUT THESE LINES WOULDN'T WORK FOR SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THEY WOULD NOT WORK TOO SMALL.
SO THAT'S, THOSE WERE OUR MAJOR QUESTIONS I THINK AT THE END OF LAST MEETING WAS WHAT ARE THE UTILITIES LOOKING LIKE? THE ELECTRIC, IS THERE SEPTIC? WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ROOM.
ARE THERE NEW DRIVEWAYS? ARE THERE NEW CURB CUTS? HOW DO THE PEOPLE GET TO THE PARCELS? THESE, THESE ARE HUGE VARIANCES, RIGHT? I MEAN, UM, THE, TO START WITH, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ZPA IS GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO A COORDINATOR INTERVIEW.
THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
IF THEY WERE TO PROVE THE VARIANCES, IT WOULD COME BACK HERE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
AND EVEN YOUR MAP SHOW, THERE ARE NO OTHER LOTS OF THAT SIZE IN THIS AREA.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSED THIS AREA AT ALL.
DREW, WHAT'S THAT? WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT THIS AREA? MATTER OF FACT, THE NEW LAYER IN THE AG OPEN SPACE DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD RESTRICT MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS AND SAID THE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SUBDIVISIONS IN THIS AREA.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THIS I, YOU KNOW, HE STILL GETS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE ZBA BUT IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE MAKE SENSE.
SO I MEAN IT'S, SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS WE, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ZBA A RIGHT? MM-HMM
I MEAN WE ALMOST TOLD THE GUY LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
WE RECOMMENDED THE ZBA THAT THEY DO NOT GRANT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE GOT A MOTION BY DENNIS SECOND BY SECOND.
AND I WOULD EVEN HAVE CHECK ON THE SEWER.
HE MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW THAT EXPRESSION CAM, HE HAS SPAGHETTI LATERAL RUNNING FROM SOMEWHERE OR WHATEVER.
THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED CONNECTION.
SO IF HE DOESN'T HAVE SEWER THAT HE RECOMMENDED THE SEED.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ASKED TO, TO COME BACK WITH.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE THAT THAT FROM THE COMP THAT SHOWS WHERE THE SEWER DOES DID NOT SHOW A SEWER IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S ONE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD HE MAY HAVE RUN A, LIKE A SPAGHETTI LATERAL DOWN THE, DOWN THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO TO SURFACE IT.
IS THAT STILL WHAT THEY CALL THEM? I SAY THEY CALL THEM SPAGHETTI LATERALS.
YOU'LL PROVIDE THAT TO JEFF AS I KNOW HE'S ONTO THE SO ANYMORE YOU'LL PROVIDE HIM OUR RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? UM, YES.
THEN WE RECOMMENDED IT AGAINST, YEAH.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION, NOTHING IS NEEDED FROM ME AT THIS POINT.
YOU'LL JUST HANDLE THAT AND LET YOU GO TO THIS EBA NOW AND WELL THEY'RE JUST TAKE YOUR CHANCES WE'VE RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT.
I TO REMIND D WE NEED TO GIVE THEM ANY BULLETS.
THEY'RE UNDERSIZED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW YOU'D HOOK UP THE CONNECTIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT ANNISE TO NOTE WHEN SHE, ERIC'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSIST THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE SIMILARLY IZED.
NOT AS MANY AS INITIALLY PROPOSED 'CAUSE THERE WAS NINE BUT SOME OF 'EM ARE LIKE A NOOK.
YEAH, BUT WE HAD THE MAP UP AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LIKE 0.4.
ARE THEY, WHAT HE'S PROPOSING ARE MAYBE A FOUR? LIKE THEY'RE TWO AND THREE TIMES THE SIZE.
LIKE I THINK IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE, I THINK THEY'RE LIKE 0.4.
WHEN'S THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING? UM, OCTOBER 3RD.
HOW ABOUT YOU SEND SOMETHING LIKE A DRAFT MEMO TO US AND THEN IF WE, IF WE HAVE THINGS WE WANNA ADD TO IT BEFORE OCTOBER 3RD, I'LL HAVE TO DO THE DRAFT MEMO ALL.
SORRY, I THINK BELL ARE GONNA CHIME.
YOU KNOW INSTEAD OF BEING ONE PARAGRAPH IT'LL BE FIVE
UH, HOW LONG ARE YOU OUT, WHEN ARE YOU OUT? THREE.
WHEN'S YOUR, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ADJOURN THIS MEETING?
SHE, BETWEEN HER AND HER WEDDING? NO SHE'S ACTUALLY HAD TO RESCHEDULE PLANE BECAUSE SHE MISSED IT.
I COMPLETELY THOUGHT THAT YOU, I MADE THIS.
I MADE THIS VERY MAKE A RESOLUTION WHEN HAVE A PARTY WHEN SHE GETS BACK
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RE WELL I GUESS JUST TO RECAP, UM, SO REGARDLESS OF THERE BEING ADJACENT LOTS, YOU KNOW LIKE YOU SAID 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, THAT STILL HAS NO RELEVANCE BECAUSE OF THE, WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT THERE IS NO, IT DOESN'T MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, THE CODE EVEN CLOSE WHETHER OR NOT
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OTHER LOTS HAPPEN TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN.IF THERE'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMANCE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN CREATE IT BUT WE WOULD WANNA CREATE ADDITIONAL TELLING YOU TO PREPARE VERY WELL FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL.
WE RECOMMENDED IT AGAINST THE ZBA IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD.
THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
I WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE SAMENESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WRITE THIS LETTER TO THE ZBA.
CAN YOU JUST LIKE VERY BRIEFLY EXPLAIN TO US HOW EVERYONE GETS TO THE ROAD? IS THAT JUST SHARED DRIVEWAYS FOR THE THREE HOUSES? NO.
SO THERE IS, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING CURB CUTS.
UM, SO PARCEL A WOULD MAINTAIN THE ONE OFF OF EAST PLEASANT.
UM, PARCEL C WOULD GET THE KIND OF L-SHAPED ONE ON THE, THAT SIDE STREET.
SO THERE WOULD BE ONE NEW CURB CUT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROPOSED FOR PARCEL B.
SO THEY WOULD EACH HAVE THEIR OWN CURVE CUT BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE NEW.
THIS ONE IT'S NOT OCCUPIED SO THESE OTHER LOTS ARE NOT ACTUALLY OCCUPIED WITH.
LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE A LITTLE NEXT TO THE RAILROAD.
THAT'S NOT, NOT
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
IT IS SEEKER OR STATUS UPDATE ON A LS FAULT.
NO PRESSURE THAT ON THE LEFT THING STANDING IN BETWEEN.
KIM, SPECIAL COUNSEL TO THE TOWN ON THIS MATTER.
SO JUST WANNA GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS STAND AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF BOARD MEETINGS.
I OBVIOUSLY HEARD YOU GUYS HAVE SOME AGENDAS FILLING UP AND THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNIFICANT WORK TO DO ON THIS ONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS.
SO JUST TO RECAP WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
THE, THIS WAS IN YOUR FIRST AUGUST MEETING, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAD JUST CLOSED.
UH, WE RAN THROUGH THE DRAFT TABLE OF CONTENTS, GOT YOUR INPUT ON SOME ADDITIONAL SECTIONS, SOME SECTION REFERENCES.
UM, YOU ALSO ASKED FOR, UH, COPIES OF THE, ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE LEAD AGENCIES.
YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A LINK TO THAT IF YOU CAN'T ACT IT UP.
BUT LET ME KNOW, I CAN GET YOU HARD COPIES OF THE DOCUMENTS.
IT'S A LOT OF PAPER, BUT HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT IF YOU GUYS, UM, WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT BEGINNING TO DRAFT SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK SECTIONS.
UNDERSTANDING THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF GAPS GIVEN ALL OF THE DEFICIENCIES AND INADEQUACY INADEQUACIES OF THE EXPERTS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS.
AND ELISE, JOSH, DREW AND I ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE SECTIONS.
UM, AND I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THAT PLAN, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, PROVIDING ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE COMMENTS, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROCESS, SENDING IT OFF TO THEM, GETTING THEIR INPUT BACK, WHICH WOULD KIND OF INFORM HOW THE REST OF THIS PROCESS WILL GO.
WE, YOU ALSO NOTED CONCERNS WITH DRAFTING THESE SECTIONS, GETTING THIS DONE, NOT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMING.
SO AUGUST 9TH WE SENT A LETTER OUT TO THE APPLICANT.
YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT LETTER WHICH PROVIDED ALL OF THE HARD COPIES OF COMMENTS.
SO TRANSCRIPTS FROM PUBLIC HEARINGS, WRITTEN COMMENTS, INTERESTED IN INVOLVED AGENCIES AS FORWARDS RESOLUTIONS, EVERYTHING ALL IN ONE LETTER.
UM, IN THAT LETTER WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
SO WE ASKED THEM TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDER SEEKER.
UM, ALSO TO PERFORM, UH, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AS NECESSARY.
PREPARE RESPONSES TO THOSE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND THEN PREPARE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE SECTIONS OF THE DEIS, UM, AS REQUIRED IN THAT WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE, UM, MISSING PIECES ESSENTIALLY BY SEPTEMBER 15TH.
THAT'S THE DATE THAT WE INCLUDED IN THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE 45 DAY TIMELINE THAT IS TYPICAL FOR AN FEIS.
UM, BUT IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS MORE TIME IS ALLOWED.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS GIVEN ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING INFORMATION.
SO IN THE LETTER TO THE APPLICANT, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT THE LEAD AGENCY ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE FEIS AND COMMITTED THAT IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO PROVIDE US THIS INFORMATION BY SEPTEMBER 15TH, THAT THIS BOARD WOULD AIM TO ACT ON THE FEIS, WHICH IS BE A POSITION TO ACT ON THE FBIS BY THE OCTOBER 18TH OR 20TH EVENING, 18TH 18.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE TARGETED TIMELINE.
IN TERMS OF UPDATES, WE'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM THE APPLICANT.
I REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL TO CHECK IN.
UM, ON THE APPLICANT'S SIDE, AGAIN, THEY HAVEN'T UNTIL THE 15TH TO PROVIDE THAT MATERIAL.
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I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW IF I HEAR ANY UPDATES IN THE MEANTIME.UM, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD, SO I MENTIONED WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE
WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE IS CIRCULATING TO THIS BOARD BY THE 15TH, WHICH IS THE FRIDAY BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
IT WILL NOT BE A COMPLETE DOCUMENT, BUT IT WILL BE MORE THAN A FRAMEWORK.
I'LL SAY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
THERE'LL BE SOME GAPS IDENTIFIED, BUT A, A, A DRAFT OF THE FBIS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE DOCUMENT WILL FLOW AND WHICH SECTIONS TO FOCUS ON.
SO AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN BEGIN TO DISCUSS THAT DOCUMENT.
YOU CAN GIVE YOUR INITIAL FEEDBACK ON WHERE IT'S GOING AND AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, WE WILL ALSO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE APPLICANT.
EITHER WAY, WHETHER WE RECEIVED SOMETHING OR NOT.
WE'RE STILL IN A POSITION TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, WHICH IS, IS THE GOAL HERE.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE MEETING SEPTEMBER 20TH, OCTOBER 4TH, OCTOBER 18TH, THOSE THREE MEETINGS TO WORK THROUGH THE FBIS WITH THE TARGET OF, OF ACTING ON THE 18TH.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PERHAPS PICK UP HARD COPIES OF THE TEXT OF THE EIS FROM THE PLANNING OFFICE, WHICH WOULD NOT BE YOU, BUT SOMEONE DOWN THE PLANNING OFFICE ON THE 15TH IF WE WANTED TO BE READING A MARKING UP A HARD COPY YES.
BEFORE THAT MEETING ON THE 20.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, ARE THOSE GONNA BE IN OUR SHARED FOLDER, THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL? MM-HMM
AND THEN, UM, SO RIGHT NOW I THINK YOU HAVE SOME, BUT NOT ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SUMMARIES, UM, ANNALISE, UH, FINALIZED SOME ADDITIONAL SUMMARIES FROM THE SECOND HEARING TRANSCRIPT WHICH CAME IN.
SO WE'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT AS WELL AS BACKGROUND.
SO HOW DO WE NOT HAVE ALL OF IT IF WE SENT ALL OF IT TO THE APPLICANT ON THE 19TH? THESE ARE THE SUMMARIES.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS, OH, WE SENT THE ACTUAL COMMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE HEARING, BUT THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS FROM THAT MEETING.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE FINAL PIECE.
CATEGORIZE MEAN YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF COMMENTS.
THERE MAY BE ONLY 15 TO 20 CATEGORIES OF COMMENTS.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS IS REALLY WHAT, UM, THE BEAT OF THE DISCUSSION MAY BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BECAUSE THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT FLAVORS, UH, THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT AND WHAT BUILDS THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND KEVIN JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WILL NOT BE INDIVIDUALLY RESPONDING TO EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT FOR EVERY AGENCY COMMENT, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN ANSWER.
ANY INVOLVED AGENCY OR, OR WHATEVER GETS THEIR OWN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO SAY, REFER TO THIS OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE PUBLIC, I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER EVERY PUBLIC'S QUESTION, BUT I CAN CATEGORIZE 'EM, SAY THESE 25 PEOPLE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUT IT INTO A CATEGORY.
AND RESPOND TO THE CATEGORY WITH A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THAT COMMENT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT RESPOND.
A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO MENTION.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED ON THE PHONE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE ARE WHAT ARE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS? JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WE RECEIVED WAS A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT.
THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ONE ISSUE I CAN THINK OF THAT WAS REALLY NOT SUBSTANTIVE.
SEVERAL PEOPLE BROUGHT UP PROPERTY VALUES UNDER SEEKER.
I CAN'T CONSIDER, I CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
BUT, BUT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THE SEEKER HANDBOOK DOES SAY THAT EVEN IF A COMMENT IS NOT SUBSTANTIVE OR NOT RELEVANT, IF IT'S MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT IT IN THE SUBJECT COMMENTS AND THAT CAN BE THE RESPONSE.
AND I THINK WE DEFINITELY SHOULD DO THAT.
PROPERTY VALUE OR A REAL ESTATE PERSON TO EVALUATE PROPERTY VALUE.
AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE COMMON RESPONSES THAT YOU GO THROUGH, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE GET FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE OR DO NOT HAVE FROM EXPERT REPORTS, SOME OF THE RESPONSES MAY BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT COVERAGE.
SO, BUT AS, AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY VALUE, WE, WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN THERE AND, AND SAY THAT WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT.
SO PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING THROUGH OUR THING AND SAY, WELL, THEY JUST IGNORED THIS CAPTURED IN THE RECORD DIRECTLY.
WILL THE APPLICANT MAY THE APPLICANT DOES PROVIDE SOME COMMENT TO COME ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE ANSWERS.
I DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE DOCUMENT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
THE FBI HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT, UNLIKE THE DEIS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION, YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT.
IF THEY RESPOND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW THOSE VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE ANSWERS.
BUT JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS, THIS, THIS WILL BE, UM, SOME WORK FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERTAKE FOR THE NEXT WEEKS.
SO FOR THE NEXT ONE, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A BIT MORE TIME ON IT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE TO REVIEW THAN WE
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HAVE FOR THIS ONE.WELL, MAYBE WE'LL PUT IT ON FIRST SO YOU HAVE TO SIT THROUGH IT ANYWAY.
I'LL JUST, I'LL TAKE EVERYTHING OUT SO YOU ALL FOCUS.
DISCUSSION SPACE VERSUS RECREATIONAL AND IT ALL.
I'M GONNA WORK WITH JEN ON THAT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DON'T ME TO REACH OUT TO ME THROUGH, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT JUST TWO WEEKS, RIGHT? NO.
LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN COME BACK FROM THE APPLICANT.
KIM GOT MINUTES IN THE LAST MEETING THAT I BILL AND I WEREN'T AT.
SO SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO, WE HAVE A BACKLOG OF MINUTES, I BELIEVE BECAUSE WE REALIZED THE LAST MEETING WE WERE MISSING A COUPLE AND I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A BACKLOG MINUTES.
SO WHICH MINUTES? SO WE NEED THE ONES FROM THE MEETING.
DID YOU ACCRUE THE MINUTES? THE LAST MEETING FOR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT? THE, I DON'T THINK THEY PULLED ANY, I DON'T THINK THEY APPROVED ANY MINUTES.
SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY MINUTES.
AUGUST 2ND MINUTES, RIGHT? NO, I, I SHOULDN'T HAVE.
UH, WE WERE GOING BACK TO JULY, LIKE WE WERE SHORT ON JULY AND MINUTES IN ALL OF AUGUST.
WAS THAT THE NIGHT YOU WERE DOING THE ACADEMY AWARD PERFORMANCE? WELL YOU HAD UH, SO ON THE 17TH I RECORDING? YEAH, IT WAS RECORDING.
I FORGOT TO HIT RECORD FROM, IT WAS ON FACEBOOK.
YOU WERE YOU TEXTING? THAT'S WHAT SARAH USED TO DO TO ME.
UM, BUT I THINK WE, I WAS VERY TEMPTED A FEW TIMES TO TELL ME WHAT I WAS MESSING UP.
WELL TO, YEAH, TO TO DO SOME, SOME HONOR SUGGESTIONS ON THE, SO ON THE 17TH WE GOT THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 2ND.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES.
SHOULD TONIGHT THOUGH, ON THE 17TH.
WE GOT THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 2ND.
WE HAVE AUGUST 2ND ON THE 17TH.
WE HAVE AUGUST 7TH, WE HAVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE WE DIDN'T APPROVE THOSE ON AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE GOT THE AUGUST 2ND MINUTES ON THE 17TH.
ALRIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE, THEY'RE IN THE FOLDER.
THE AUGUST THE, THEY'RE LINKED ON THE AGENDAS NOW.
NO, I KNOW THAT EMAIL, LIKE WHERE'S THE BACK LOG OF ALL OF THE OTHER, RIGHT.
WHERE DO YOU I MEAN, I'M IN THIS FOLDER FOR THIS MEETING.
HOW DO YOU GET BACK THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I CLICKED THE LINK ON THE AGENDA.
OH, DID I GET TO OH, IF YOU GO INTO THE TOP.
I FOUND, BUT SARAH EMAILED US BOTH.
SHE EMAILED US AUGUST 2ND AND SHE EMAILED US AUGUST 16TH.
SO WE, THAT'S ADMITTED ME SEE IF I YEAH, ON AUGUST 24TH SHE EMAILED THE 16TH.
SO WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES WE CAN LOOK AT.
SO LET'S UH, DO A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR? KAILYN? YOU WEREN'T HERE.
CAITLYN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.
I GUESS WAIT, AND THEN THIS SHE EMAILED TO ON THE 24TH.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S LATE, RIGHT? YES.
SO WE'VE ALSO, THE AUGUST 16TH MINUTE, WHICH BILL AND
SO THEN I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 16TH MINUTES.
I DON'T SEE, SORRY, I DON'T SEE THE
I MEAN THERE'S THE SEPTIC SEWERS OH, AND WHATNOT IN THE, IN THE, UM, UTILITIES.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG OF A DEAL THAT IS.
IF YOU WANT 'EM THE MANDATE, IT CAN BE A BIG DEAL.
WHICH ONE? WHICH PROJECT WAS IT FOR REDDING, THE RED ONE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A BIG ENOUGH DEAL 'CAUSE WE JUST DENIED IT FOR THAT
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REASON.WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DON'T RECRE, THAT THEY DON'T, UH, GIVE THE VARIANCES.
FOR ONE OF THE REASONS IN SUPPORT OF IT WAS UTILITIES.
SO THE, SO THE EIGHT 16 NEED TO BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE OUR, WELL, WE ALREADY PROVED NOW WE HAVE TO AMEND.
SO, SO C MADE A MOTION TO AMEND THE EIGHT 16 MINUTES TO INCLUDE REFERENCES TO THE UTILITY AS PART OF THE REDING PROJECT.
CINDY SECONDED THAT MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT.
IN FACT, WHEN YOU HAD SAID UTILITIES, YOU MEANT SEWER AND WATER.
SO ELECTRIC IS WHAT'S NOT CALLED OUT IN HERE.
SO SEWER AND WATER IS CALLED OUT, BUT NOT ELECTRIC.
IT DOES SAY, OH, YOU CLEAR PLANNED UTILITIES.
BE VAGUE, BUT WE WOULD AMEND IT TO SPECIFICALLY SINCE WE'RE, SINCE WE SAID RIGHT.
WISH ANNISE WONDERFUL WEDDING.
MUCH A WONDERFUL WIFE IN THE OF THE RECORD.
I MEAN IT'S ALREADY, IT'S, IT'S LIKE FACEBOOK.
HER WHOLE LIFE IS LIKE THE END OF A HALLMARK LATELY.
SHE GOT AN APARTMENT ABOVE THE GRIFT STORE OR THE LANDLORD ANTIQUE STORE.
COME THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING YOU.
THE LANDLORD LEAVES HER FLOWERS GETTING MARRIED.
CAN I ASK FACEBOOK BEFORE WE TALK ADDRESS? THEY KEEP MAILING ME AND I ALWAYS FLY IN THE MORNING TRAINER, SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.
FREE COUPON, DRINK COUPONS FOR BUT YOU'RE NOT FLYING SOUTHWEST THAT CAN SAY HERE FROM THE THEM OUT ALL THE TIME.
AUTOGRAPH STARTED BECAUSE I KNEW I WAITED UNTIL WE WERE DONE.