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AGENDA.OH, 19TH, WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 19TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FOR THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL RIGHT.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUTO COLLISION GLASS.
HEARING FOR AUTO COLLISION GLASS FORMALLY SCHMIDT'S GARAGE, REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 9 6 8 LEGION ROAD.
ANY CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME? NOPE.
WHERE AM I? NO, I GOT, I GOT SIDEWALKS.
AND A QUESTION MARK WRITTEN, ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ON THE SITE THERE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING? IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YEP.
SO THE NO CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME, ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING STALL FOR A SECOND? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE NOTICE.
SITE PLAN APPROVAL, PUBLIC HEARING, AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD
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WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSAL BY AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 9 6 8 LEGION DRIVE PUBLIC HEARING.WE HELD ON JANUARY 19TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B HANFORD TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT PROJECT? ALRIGHT, FOR THE SECOND TIME.
ANYBODY HERE FOR OR AGAINST AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS? DO YOU HAVE FACEBOOK UP? ANY COMMENTS ONLINE? NO, NOT YET.
SO FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON THE AUTO COLLISION GLASS ADDITION, FORMER LOCATION OF SCHMITZ GARAGE BEING NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL MAKE A RESOLUTION TO ALLOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION FOR AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS, UH, FOR US TO HAVE AT OUR FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING.
MOTION? CARRIE, ANY CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING? UH, OUR NORMAL CONDITIONS ARE ENGINEERING AND, AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.
BUT NOTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YOU WANT.
SO IT BE AS PRETTY STANDARD RESOLUTION.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WAS THE VARIANCE THAT THE ZONING BOARD GAVE THEM AND YES.
SO I MEAN WE'RE, SO WE'LL REPAIR TAIL LEG OF THE DOG IN THAT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR WOODY'S ICE CREAM REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE AN EXISTING BUILDING IS AN ICE CREAM BUSINESS AT 4 4 3 8 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO ANY UPDATES SINCE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE? UH, TRAFFIC HAD A LOOK OVER THE, UH, DRAWINGS.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND THAT HAS BEEN, UH, ADJUSTED AND THEN RESUBMITTED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
AND DID ENGINEERING, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT SOME, SOMETHING WITH MUST BEEN, MUST GOTTEN YOU CONFUS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD FOR TRAFFIC? PAUL, UH, BEFORE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD, WE MADE HIS PRESENTATION.
WE NOTED, UH, ONE, UH, POINT TO CLARIFY PERHAPS WAS THE WALKWAY BETWEEN, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING AREA WHERE THE PICKUP WAS, WHICH REALLY THE TRAFFIC ISSUES
BUT BASED ON WHAT HE PRESENTED TO US, WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE FORWARD.
UNDERSTANDING THAT IT STILL HAS BOARD.
SORRY, I, THERE WAS ONE MINOR COMMENT I HAD AND THAT WAS JUST TO RECOMMEND STRIKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, JUST SO NOBODY TRIES TO WE THEMSELVES IN THERE.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE LAYOUT AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND IT'S WINTER TIME, SO A LOT OF THE ICE CREAM PLACES AREN'T OPEN.
BUT I, I WAS THINKING OF OTHER PLACES WE HAVE IN THE TOWN.
YOU'VE GOT TWO SCOOPS WHERE WHEN YOU PARK TO WALK TO THE WINDOW, YOU'VE GOT A CROSS WHERE TRAFFIC COMES IN OFF OF CAMP.
AND, UM, DAIRY QUEEN, IF YOU WANT TO WALK UP TO THE WINDOW, YOU'VE GOTTA WALK, WALK IN FRONT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S KIND SIMILAR TO HOW YOURS IS LAID OUT.
SO I GUESS WE DO HAVE OTHER ICE CREAM PLACES LAID OUT KIND OF SIMILARLY AND IT'S WORKED OUT WITH WITHOUT ANY INCIDENTS SO FAR.
SO WE HOPE TO HAVE ONE OURSELVES.
WE, WE, WE HOPE TO HAVE NONE THOSE.
UM, SO DOUG, YOU HAVE THOSE? YEAH.
I STILL GOT A COMMENT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'M STILL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT ON SOUTH PARK, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP SOUTH PARK AND THEY WANNA MAKE A LEFT ONTO, UH, SOUTHWESTERN.
THERE IS A TURN LANE, BUT YOU KNOW, AT A BUSY TIME OF DAY THAT TURN LANE GOES ALMOST ALL, ALL THE WAY TO OR TO THE, TO ROAD.
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UH, IT'S GONNA BACK UP TRAFFIC TO A POINT WHERE IT, IT'S GONNA REALLY CREATE SOME PROBLEMS. UH, THE SECOND POINT, I PERSONALLY, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT LOT IS DESIGNED FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH.I THINK IT IS, LOOKING AT IT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE IT JUST BE A PARK AND, AND GO UP AND GET YOUR ICE CREAM BECAUSE I REALLY CAN'T VISUALIZE UNTIL EVERYTHING'S MARKED HOW LIKE SOMEBODY IN NUMBER 18 IS GONNA BACK OUT AND MAKE THE TURN TO EITHER GET OUT ON SOUTH PARK OR SOUTHWESTERN.
AND THAT'S A VERY CONGESTED AREA AND IT'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO BACK OUT OF, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TRAFFIC IS ROUTED RIGHT UP ALONG THE PARKING AREA.
AND I, I DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM FOR STAFFING.
JUST, JUST SO WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, PAUL, DID TRAFFIC SAFETY CONSIDER WHAT MR. CHAPMAN BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC ON SOUTH PARK AND THE STACKING STACKING? WE HAD CONSIDERED THAT AND, AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THAT THE PLAN PRESENTED, UH, PERMITTED ENOUGH ACCESS, UH, FOR DOING AND STACKING, WHICHEVER TERM WE WANNA USE, THAT IT WOULD NOT IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC FLOW INTO OR OUT OF EITHER INTO THE, UH, THE RESTAURANT AREA OR OUT OF THE RESTAURANT AREA.
NOW AGAIN, WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME'S GONNA BE.
BUT WE THOUGHT BASED ON, ON THE PLANS THAT WE SAW, WE THOUGHT THAT THE QUEUING, UH, STAFFING PROVISIONS MADE WERE SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW, UH, THE INGRESS, UH, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE LOT AND, UH, EGRESS AS WELL ON, ON BOTH SOUTH PARK AND SOUTHWESTERN.
MY CONCERN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THE ARROW, SO IF YOU TURN ON SOUTH, OFF THE SOUTH PARK ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, YOU HAVE AN ARROW.
BUT IF I'M GONNA GO INTO THAT UH, ICE CREAM, ICE CREAM PLACE, I'M NOT GONNA USE THE ARROW.
I'M GONNA BE STUCK RIGHT THERE AND ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AROUND INTO THE, THE NORMAL TRAFFIC LANE.
THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET AN ARROW AND TRAFFIC ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE.
'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S WAITING TO GET INTO THE ICE CREAM BAR.
THEY'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO TURN IN FROM SOUTH PARK ED.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THAT LEFTHAND TURN.
THEY'RE GONNA TURN IN FROM SOUTH PARK.
NOW IF TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP AND THAT, THAT ARROW ONLY LASTS FOR SO LONG, IF HE'S TRYING TO GET IN AND PEOPLE ARE MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN, UH, A LEGAL RIGHT HAND TURN ON RED FROM SOUTHWESTERN, YOU KNOW, I JUST SEE THAT AS A MAJOR PROBLEM AND I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T GET THAT OUT OF MY HEAD.
YEAH, I I MEAN AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, IT IS, IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTER OR IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO I THINK IT WILL WORK ITSELF OUT WITH, WITH THE ARROWS AND WITH THE THREATEN AGREEMENTS.
I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A BACK TRAFFIC SAFETY IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY CONSIDERED WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
SO I, SO, SO WE CAN HAVE A DISAGREEMENT, UH, AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT IT IS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T LEAVE THAT OUT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE BOTH HEARING? I JUST WANTED, I WANNA PIGGYBACK ON MRS. STATEMENT.
LAST TIME YOU WANTED HERE YOU HAD SOMEONE ELSE.
OH, ON JANUARY 5TH, UH, MR. MC MILLER AS WELL EXPRESSED MY CONCERN WAS VERY SIMILAR TO MR. UH CHAPMAN.
BUT MY CONCERN IS WITH THAT PAR, UH, ENTRANCE GOING IN FROM SOUTH PARK, HEADING SOUTH INTO THE ICE CREVE, WHEN YOU COME OUT OF BAYVIEW, YOU HAVE TO WAIT, YOU HAVE THREE LANES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT LANE AND THERE'S NO ARROW THAT DESIGNATES YOU HAVE TO GET IN THE RIGHT LANE.
YOU HAVE THE CENTER LANE, WHICH IS CENTER, THEN YOU HAVE THE THIRD LANE, WHICH IS THE ARROW AT THE, AT THE LIGHT.
MR. CHAPMAN'S, UM, ANALYSIS IS, IS IS THE SAME AS MINE.
IF YOU'RE AT THAT LIGHT, WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF THE, OF WHEN THE ARROW TURNS TO LEFT.
SO I'LL BE STACKED IN THAT ROW ON THAT LEFT LANE TO GO INTO THE ICE CREAM.
AND THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME, IF THEY'RE WAITING TO GET IN NOW, NO ONE FROM BAYVIEW.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT A FOOTBALL FIELD.
I I ESTIMATE THINGS ABOUT FOOTBALL FIELDS.
IT'S ONLY A FOOTBALL FIELD FROM BAYVIEW TO WHERE THAT ENTRANCE WOULD BE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE TOWN RESTAURANT.
SO PEOPLE GOING INTO IN THESE, IN THE SIDE OF SOUTH PARK ARE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS DIS DISTURBED.
UH, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE, UH, I MEAN WE HAVE DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT HEAVILY TRAVELED.
NOT, UH, BACKED UP, UH, SO TO SAY.
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HOUR, WHATEVER, UH, SCHOOL HOURS, UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE, UH, I'M SORRY MR. WOOD, UM, HOURS OF YOUR BUSINESS.I FORGOT TWO O'CLOCK AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO THERE, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE, UH, TIMES WHERE THERE'LL BE SOME TRAFFIC ADJUSTERS.
UM, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A TRAFFIC.
IT, IT'S AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC SAFETY AND YOUR ADVICE ADVISORY.
I'M JUST SAYING I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.
I DRIVE THAT WAY ALMOST EVERY DAY AND I'M STUCK IN THAT TRAFFIC COMING OUT SOUTH PARK.
'CAUSE I DON'T DRIVE THE THROUGHWAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONGESTION ON THE THROUGHWAY.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT LEFT TURN OFF OF SOUTH PARK INTO THE ICE CREAM IS GONNA BE A DIFFICULT TURN OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN.
I DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CHANGED DIFFERENTLY.
THERE'S MORE LANES THEY HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT TO THE SOUTH PARK.
THEY WANNA GO STRAIGHT DOWN, SOUTHWESTERN, NO PROBLEM.
UM, I HAVE ALSO DONE A STUDY ON MY OWN OF GOING IN AND OUTTA THAT TRAFFIC ON THAT SIDE COMING IN FROM, FROM THERE AS IT ACTUALLY IS EASIER FOR ME FROM MY HOME TO COME DOWN THAT WAY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT TURN AND THE TURN LANE FOR BAYVIEW.
'CAUSE THERE'S AN ACTUAL TURNING LANE THERE FOR BAYVIEW GOING IN THE TOWARDS BUFFALO WAY.
THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GET TO THAT AND THEN HAVE TO TURN IN.
NOW THE ONE THING THAT WE DID DO ON THE SITE PLAN WITH THIS IS THAT WE MADE IT BASICALLY TWO LOOPS.
WE'VE SHOWN AN INNER LOOP THAT'S CLOSE TO THE BUILDING FOR THE STACKING, BUT WHEN THOSE CARS DO COME IN, THERE WILL NOT BE A BACKUP ON SOUTH TAR BECAUSE THAT WILL NOT BE THE IN LINE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A FULL FREE FLOWING CIRCLE ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND THE INNER CIRCLE WILL BE WHERE THE ACTUAL STACKING IS.
SO YOU'RE COMING INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH AND IT'S ON THE FACING, ON THE RIGHT BACK SIDE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
CORRECT? WELL, LET'S, UH, WELL YOU COULD, WELL NO, BUT YOU COULD COME IN, YOU CAN COME IN AND EXIT OFF OF SOUTH PARK.
SO IF SOMEBODY GOES IN SOUTHWESTERN RECEIVES THEIR PRODUCT, COMES OUT TO SOUTH PARK AND THEY WANNA MAKE A LEFT TURN MM-HMM.
THEY'RE GONNA BE STAFFED FOR THE PEOPLE GOING TO SOUTHWESTERN FOR LEAVING.
SO THAT'S AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A CONGESTION THERE ALWAYS.
JUST SO ANY, ANY PARKING LOT THAT GOES OUT TO BUSY TRAFFIC.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TOO, BECAUSE I MEAN, I I, CUSTOMERS AREN'T GONNA COME BACK TO US IF THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING IN AND OUT.
SO WE WANT TRY AND MAKE SURE THIS PLAN NOT ONLY SATISFIES YOU, BUT SATISFIES, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, THERE'S NO BUSINESS.
WE'RE THANK ANYTHING ELSE DOUG? SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WOODY'S ICE CREAM NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY WOODY'S ICE CREAM TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 4 3 8 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AS AN ICE CREAM BUSINESS.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD JANUARY 19TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN THE ROOM.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON WOODY'S ICE CREAM.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HERE FOR OR AGAINST WOODY'S ICE CREAM? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
TOO MUCH? WHAT'S THAT? THEY LIKE ICE CREAM TOO MUCH.
THAT WOULD BE A FOUR, I THINK.
WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FOUR.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD SAY, I, I I I LIKE ICE CREAM.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL.
ANYBODY LIKE ICE CREAM?
FOR, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON WOODY'S ICE CREAM? OKAY.
AT THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL MAKE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION FOR US TO CONSIDER AT OUR FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING.
THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUFFALO SOLAR REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL
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OF A PROPOSED TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WEST OF 6 2 8 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.AND THIS WAS GONNA BE A, A QUICK PRESENTATION AND WE'RE GONNA GO OVER, UH, PART TWO OF THE EAF AND THEN TABLE THIS.
UM, SO MY NAME IS RICH GREASE AND I'M WITH E TWO I.
UM, MARK OVERALL IS WITH ME AS WELL, SOLAR.
I'M GONNA TRY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ON, UM, SITE PLAN AND YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT SOLAR PANELS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AS YOU SAID, UH, FOR A 283 KILOWATT SOLAR PROJECT, UH, LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, THE LOT ITSELF IS 3.863 ACRES.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR SOME OF THAT LOT TO CREATE ROOM FOR THE SOLAR PANELS, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY TO GET IN AND THEN THE FENCE AROUND IT.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LEAVE AT 61.5% OF THE PARCEL UNTOUCHED AND ALL THOSE TREES WILL REMAIN.
UM, THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST HURDLES WE'VE BEEN KIND OF DEALING WITH THE PLAN BOARD IS THE, THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CLEAR.
UM, AND AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE PLANNING ON PLANTING NEW TREES ON NEW TREES ON THE SITE TO HELP SCREEN THE NEIGHBORS.
WE'VE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, HAD A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I, I FEEL AS THOUGH WE'VE ALLEVIATED ALL THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT SCREENING AND, UM, AND TREE PLANTING THINGS.
ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS EVEN BROUGHT UP THAT A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE ON OUR SITE ARE ALREADY, UM, DEAD OR DISEASED.
SOME OF THE AG TREES HAVE ALREADY BEEN FALLEN DOWN.
A LOT OF THE TREES ON THE SITE ARE LESS THAN SIX INCHES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CODE, UH, TO TRY AND MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SIX INCH TREES THAT WE CLEAR.
SO WE'VE TAKEN THE CON THE CODE IN CONSIDERATION, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FOUR MEETINGS OR SO, UM, AND TRIED TO, UH, TO MAKE A REALLY GREAT PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING IS, UH, THE POWER THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CREATE WITH THE SOLAR FIRM ITSELF IS GOING TO, UH, HAVE A CARBON OFFSET OF 18,754 ACRES OF NEW PLANTED FOREST OVER THE 25 YEAR LIFESPAN OF THE SOLAR ARRAY.
UM, SO WITH ALL THOSE THINGS KIND OF COMBINED, UM, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA MISS THAT, THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF TREES FOR THE, THE MAJOR POSITIVE BENEFITS YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THIS SOLAR ARRAY.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF THE PROJECT.
DO, UM, WE, WE ONLY ACTUALLY HAD THEM COME HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA WANT YOU TO VOTE ON THIS IN FEBRUARY.
SO, SO ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S, UH, OH, AND, UH, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETS TOMORROW.
WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH THEM AS WELL.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS WELL.
YEAH, I, I REALLY, UM, JUST WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, UM, AND, AND TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH THE, THE CODE AS FAR AS NOT GETTING, NOT GETTING RID OF TOO MANY TREES.
UM, AND THOSE EFFORTS ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
DID YOU CONSULT ANYBODY ELSE TO TOWN? WE DID.
BUILDING THE GROUNDS OR, YEAH, WE CALLED, UH, BUILDINGS THE GROUNDS, UH, A FEW TIMES EMAILED 'EM.
I SPOKE WITH, UH, SOMEONE ON THE PHONE.
UH, MR. RYAN AT ONE POINT, HE SAID, UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME SPOTS IN TOWN, BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY COULD GO.
UM, AND THEN AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS KAILYN BROUGHT UP THAT, UM, SHE WOULD WANT US TO PLANT A, AN A FULL ACRE OF, OF TREES TO COMPENSATE FOR IT AND FOR THIS SIZE OF OUR, OUR PROJECT.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, FOR THE SMALL SCALE OF OUR PROJECT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE, TO DO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE OPEN TO PLANTING A FEW TREES, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA PLANT TREES ON SITE WITH THE CARBON OFFSET.
UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER AND ABOVE AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO, TO MAKE THE PROJECT AS GOOD FOR THE TOWN AND, UM, AND ALSO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US TOO.
AT THE LAST MEETING, LEANNE GAVE YOU A SPECIFIC, UH, GOAL OF SOME THINGS THAT SHE WANTED YOU TO COME BACK HERE WITH AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT, UH, CAITLIN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
HAVE YOU FINISHED THAT OR? WE, WE SENT A, A LETTER IN, UM, TO, UH, JUST KIND OF A RESPONSE LETTER, JUST KIND OF GOING OVER ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE, OF THE SOLAR ARRAY.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE, OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO PLANT THE 21 TREES ON SITE AND THEN, UH, MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF STREET CLEARING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE AMOUNT SIX INCH TREES ARE ON, ON THE SITE? I MEAN, THE, YOU POINTED OUT THE SOLAR WALL SAYS SIX
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INCH TREES.SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE WE DO HAVE ACCOUNT, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, I MINUTE, BUT JUST FOR THE BOARD'S IDENTIFICATION, THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS OF THE WALL THAT APPLY HERE.
THERE'S OUR SOLAR WALL, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY WHERE SIX INCH TREES TRY TO AVOID THEM OR MINIMIZE THE LOSS OF THOSE SIX INCH GREATER TREES.
YOU ALSO HAVE, AND THE CONSERVATION BOARD ASKED ABOUT THIS, YOU ALSO HAVE A, A TREE MANAGEMENT LAW, WHICH IS CHAPTER 2 43.
WHAT THEY ASK ABOUT IS JUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT SAYS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU ISSUE A TREE MANAGEMENT PERMIT THROUGH YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND CLEAR TREES OFF YOUR PROPERTY, YOU WOULD GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BUT IN THE CASE OF A SITE PLAN, YOU ACTUALLY IS A TREE MANAGEMENT PERMIT.
AND WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LAW IS JUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT SAYS WHEN THERE IS A CLEARING OF TREES, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL WORK WITH THE CONSERVATION BOARD IN TRYING TO MINIMIZE THOSE TREE LOSSES.
BUT ALSO, AND AS YOU GOT IN THE LAST MEETING, YOU CAN OFFER MITIGATION OF REPLANTING OF TREES ON THE SITE OR ON A DIFFERENT SITE OR WHATEVER AND MITIGATE THAT LOSS.
PRE MANAGEMENT LAW, YOU'RE ISSUING THE PERMIT.
YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CONSERVATION BOARD AND FIND MITIGATION.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING, YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE TREES.
SARAH, IF YOU HAD GOTTEN WITH PAT RYAN, YOU GOT BACK TO YOU, HOW MANY TREES WOULD YOU HAVE PLANTED ELSEWHERE? WE WERE THINKING LIKE FIVE OR SIX TREES.
UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA BE, UH, A FULL ACRE OF TREES.
SO, UM, I GUESS WE, WE MISUNDERSTOOD HOW MANY TREES, UH, THE BOARD WAS LOOKING FOR THEN IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY, AND I'M NOT CAITLIN ASKED, IT'S ALWAYS THOSE DESCRIPTION.
IT'S TYPICALLY WE ASK FOR ONE FOR ONE MITIGATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE WETLANDS WHERE YOU'RE DOING THREE FOR ONE OR FOUR FOR ONE MITIGATION.
YOU USUALLY ASK FOR MITIGATION, HEY, I'VE REMOVED, I'VE REMOVED A QUARTER ACRE OF TREES THAT REPRESENT ABOUT THIS MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS REPLANTED SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE OR SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE OFF SITE.
SO I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD IS ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN DO THE PROJECT.
THEY HAVE TO AVOID WETLANDS, ET CETERA.
THEY'RE GONNA BE IMPACTING SOME TREES.
THEY BELIEVE THE TREES ARE NOT, YOU GO OUT THERE AND THE CONSERVATION BOARD ARE NOT THE GREATEST TREES IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE ARE SOME MISER CALIBER TREES OUT THERE THAT ARE GONNA BE REMOVED.
SO OOW, CAN YOU MITIGATE THAT AND REPLACE THEM? OBVIOUSLY THERE'RE OFFERING THE MITIGATION THAT A SOLAR PROJECT WILL BE THE EQUIVALENT OF THOUSANDS OF, OF, OF TREES AND WHATEVER.
FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CARBON DIOXIDE AND WHATEVER.
YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE AESTHETICS AND WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
THE BOARD NEEDS TO PROBABLY DECIDE HOW, HOW MANY TREES DO YOU WANT THEM TO PLANT? WELL,
SO WHAT THREE, THEY'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
I ASSUME THE CONSERVATION BOARD'S GONNA HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
RIGHT, BUT THEY HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE SIX INCH TREES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU, HUNDRED 95 OF 'EM THAT ARE LESS THAN SIX UH, INCHES.
UM, OKAY, SO 195 TO LESS THAN SIX INCHES.
RIGHT? HOW MANY MORE? MORE THAN SIX INCHES.
IT'S LIKE THERE'S 140 THAT ARE GREATER THAN SIX INCHES.
AND OF THOSE TREES, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF 'EM, LIKE I SAID, THAT HAVE DISEASE BEEN AND DEAD AND ALREADY FALLEN OVER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AT LEAST CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TOO.
SO, SO OF, SO YOU COUNTED THE, THE BAD TREES IN THAT NUMBER? WELL, ONCE WE, THE ONE WE DID THE, THE TREE COUNTING THE LEAVES HAD FALLEN OFF.
SO IT WAS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO TELL WHICH TREES WERE ALIVE AND DEAD.
UM, SO I I, I'D PROBABLY SAY MAYBE 40% OF THAT NUMBER.
SO 40% OF ONE 50 BILL, LIKE TO MAKE OUR LIVES EASIER, I WOULD THE CONSERVATION BOARD COMMENT ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS ON THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON, ON MITIGATION AND WHATEVER THE PRESSURE ON THE WHERE THERE.
BUT IT WOULD BE, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN THE LAW CONSERVATION BOARD WILL RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN, TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THAT.
ARE YOU ABLE TO, BY TOMORROW NIGHT, COME UP WITH A DEFINITIVE NUMBER OF HEALTHY TREES OVER? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN WALK THE SITE.
UH, I'M GONNA BE OUT THIS WAY TOMORROW SO I CAN SAY AT LEAST YOU HAVE A DEFINITE NUMBER.
RIGHT? YOU'RE ALREADY PLANTING HOW MANY TREES? 21.
AND, AND MARK, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN OUT TO THE SITE OR I WALKED IN FOR
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UH, WE'VE ONLY FLAGGED THE WEST ALSO ON THE 23.SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? YOU SAID 23.
WE'RE WE'RE PLANNING ON PLANNING 20.
ARE YOU GOING BY THE, THAT WE HAVE, YES, YES, YES.
YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA GO BY THOSE.
SARAH, DO YOU WANT TO GO START WITH THE E, A F OR TWO? YEAH.
YOU GUYS WILL REVIEW THIS ONE YET.
I, I HIGHLIGHTED THE STUFF I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT.
UM, INSTEAD OF, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION, UM, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PART TWO, THE AM AND DETERMINE WHAT THINGS MAY, MAY BE LARGE OR MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACTS.
THE STATE OF NEW YORK IS VERY NICE.
WHEN WE DEVELOP THIS, WE'RE GONNA, WE DEVELOP EXAMPLE STUFF.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO TO THE HIGHLIGHTED STUFF.
UNDER IMPACTED LAND, THEY ARE AFFECTING LAND.
UM, THE ISSUE THAT COMES UP IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE TREES.
THEY'RE GONNA CAUSE EROSION AND WHATEVER.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS, THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
IT'S GONNA OCCUR IN A BUNCH OF THESE.
WE GOTTA DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS OUR EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN.
WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA CAUSE ANY EROSION OR SEDIMENT CONTROL PROBLEMS OR SEDIMENT PROBLEMS. OKAY.
SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS, THAT'S GONNA COME UP ALSO IN THE SECOND PAGE.
GEOLOGICAL, THERE'S NO IMPORTANT GEOLOGICAL.
UH, SURFACE WATER IS ABOUT EROSION AND SOIL EROSION AND DEGRADATION OF DOWNSTREAM BODIES.
AGAIN, YOUR CHALLENGE HERE IS GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH DURING CONSTRUCTION OR AFTER CONSTRUCTION IMPACT ON AIR.
THERE'S NONE IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING SIGNIFICANT OUT THERE.
BUT THEY'RE REMOVING A HABITAT.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON, I, I'M ALWAYS VERY CONSERVATIVE IN A FILLING OUT OF AN EAF IMPACT ON GROUNDWATER.
I CHECKED ONLY BECAUSE HAVING DONE AT LEAST 60, 70 OF THESE PROJECT, NOW TYPICALLY WE GET THE COMPLAINT ABOUT ON GROUND, ON GROUNDWATER IS THAT SOMETIMES THE ANTI GLARE STUFF OR WHATEVER CONVEYS PFASS OR COMPOUND YOU SUBMITTED SOMETHING PROVING THAT THEY'RE NOT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL AND THE PART THREE, NO FLOODING, UH, COMMUNITY PLANS.
IT'S IN SHARP CONTRAST AND YOU HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
PLEASE REVIEW THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WHEN DETERMINING WHETHER THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS THE ISSUE.
I MISSED THE PAGE DIDN'T I JUMPED THE PAGE HERE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, PLANTS AND ANIMALS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, GROUNDWATER WE TALKED ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT OUT OF ORDER.
CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS, CONSISTENCY, CHARACTER.
UH, BOY, THAT THAT, UH, HUMAN HEALTH IS AGAIN THE ISSUE OF DID YOU RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE REMEDIATION THAT SHOWS UP THERE, SHOWS A REMEDIATION SITE IN THE AREA? THERE'S YEAH, THERE WAS A LANDFILL ACROSS.
IT'S NOT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION IS CONSTRUCTION RELATED.
IMPACT ON ENERGY, NOISE AND ODOR.
THE ONLY ISSUE WITH NOISE IS TYPICALLY THE INVERTER UNITS.
AND YOU'VE SUBMITTED THE SHOW THAT YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH ANY RECEPTOR.
THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE ON REC RECREATION THAT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED ON A TOWN'S MAP.
PEOPLE ALWAYS GET MAD ABOUT WHEN I CHECK THE BOX.
FOR AESTHETIC RESOURCES, THEY HAVE TO BE MA AESTHETIC RESOURCES.
NOTHING SHOWS UP IN THE IN TOWN.
UM, HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL.
NO, THEY'VE DONE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SIGN UP FROM SHIPPO, UH, FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE ONLY ONE ELSE THAT COMES UP IS, UH, IT'S, UH, I FORGET WHICH ONE NOW.
OH, IT'S THE ISSUE OF, I TALKED ABOUT THE PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
SO I TRIED TO DO A QUICK, AND, SORRY, I GOT OUT OF ORDER.
YOUR JOB IS, AND I WILL SEND TO YOU GUYS THE PART THREE ANALYSIS SAYING, OKAY, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE POTENTIALLY CHECKED AS AS IMPACTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I CHECKED THE BOX ON THE PFAS COMPOUNDS.
THEY'VE SUBMITTED SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THOSE THINGS IN OUR SOLAR PANEL.
SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THRESHOLDS ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK FOR YOU TO TAKE AN EXTRA CLOSE LOOK AT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, IT JUST SAYS YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS.
TAKE THIS OVER AND I APOLOGIZE.
DOES THAT WORK? WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE WAITING FOR THE TAB, BUT WHAT DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA DO? HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I THINK WE, WE GONNA HAVE, UH, IN, IN TWO WEEKS, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE REALLY ONLY TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE, WE'LL HAVE THE IMPACT OF THE, THE INPUT FROM THE CAB.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A, A GOOD IDEA WITH HOW MANY HEALTHY TREES THERE ARE.
SO THEN WITH THAT NUMBER, WE CAN DO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO A RESOLUTION UNTIL WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY TREES THE APPLICANT'S
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COMFORTABLE WITH AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMFORTABLE WITH.UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT 140 LARGE TREES AND THEY'RE PLANTING 21.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET SOMEWHERE.
UM, DEPEND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA MEET YET.
IT'S ALSO THE CARBON OFFSET OF 18,000 TREES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IN OUR CODE THOUGH.
SO, SO THAT'S, I WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ON THE SECOND LIMIT IT JUST TO THOSE TREES AND THEN HAVE MAYBE A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT AND HOPEFULLY COME TO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR, FOR THE TOWN AND THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN WE'LL PUT THAT INTO A RESOLUTION FOR THE 16TH.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS? YOU HAVE WITH THE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, IT WAS ONLY CONSTRUCTION RELATED, CORRECT? IT'S CONSTRUCTION RELATED.
UH, AFTER IT'S CONSTRUCTED, THEY MAY HAVE ONE VEHICLE A MONTH OR NO, NO.
I, I JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE IMPACT WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER TOWNS FOR LARGER SOLAR PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE A REDUCE AGREEMENT OR AGREED TO THE TRAFFIC FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET THIS SITE.
IT'S GONNA BE BY SOUTHWESTERN AND RIGHT.
BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
THIS IS A SMALL SOLAR PROJECT.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA BE THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS.
UM, FOR THE LARGER SCALE ONES, WE SEE THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS.
I MEAN, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE LARGER PROJECT.
UM, BILL, THERE'S THREE APPROVALS.
SEEKER SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THIS ORDER.
SEEKER SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THEN SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, FOR SEEKER, YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND YOU A DRAFT PART THREE WHERE YOU CAN START MAKING YOUR DECISION OR ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WHAT I'VE DONE IS WITH ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, I'VE SET UP A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FORM WHERE BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA DOCUMENT THAT THEY DID, THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
AND THEN ANY CONDITIONS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONDITIONS ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF THE CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, BONDING AND DECOMMISSIONING OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE ARE CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE ATTACHED.
AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE GOOD RENT, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON THIS, BUT A LOT OF THESE SOLAR PROJECTS ARE SOLD IN THE FUTURE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE FUTURE APPLICANT OWNER OF THE SITE KNOWS WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE FOR, FOR OWNING AND MAINTAINING THIS SITE.
SO I'LL SHOW YOU A SAMPLE OF THAT AND I'LL START BUILDING THAT SECTION FOR YOU
AND YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT FOR US FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS GONNA BE PLANT X AMOUNT OF TREES.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE ON ONSITE LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO REPLACE ANY TREES THAT DIE OR WHATEVER IN A TIME PERIOD AFTER THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING A BOAT ON THE 16TH? I THINK SO.
I I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT ON THE SECOND BECAUSE I, I, WITHOUT KNOWING HOW MANY TREES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COME TO A RESOLUTION, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD DO A VOTE ON THE SECOND.
I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS AND MAY HAVE THAT BLANK IF THINGS GO REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SMOOTHLY AND WE'RE SURPRISED MAYBE ON THE SECOND.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE'LL GO ON THE SECOND THOUGH.
IF I COULD HAVE THE, THE MINUTES FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I CAN GET THEM TO THESE GUYS AND MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN COME UP WITH A SHARE IDEA OF THE NUMBER.
BUT I CAN GET TO YOU EVEN BEFORE THE MEETING.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE MEETING AS WELL, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE OUR IDEA OF THE NUMBER THAT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY, I'M JUST SAYING, DUNNO WHAT THE TAB RIGHT.
HEY, YOU SEND OUR MEETING TOMORROW.
AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS UH, THE NUMBER THREE.
ALRIGHT, WELL JUST, JUST CALL HIM AND, AND, AND GET WHAT HE WANTS.
I MEAN, SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL.
SO WE, SO SO WE'LL GET YOU TO THE END.
WHAT, JUST WHAT THE FENCINGS, HOW TALL IS THE FENCING GONNA BE AROUND? BECAUSE THE DEER HERE CLEAR.
NOW BY THE WAY, UM, DEC HAS A APPROVABLE FENCES THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
DEC AND THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE HAVE RESOLVED THAT.
THEY CAN PUT A SIX INCH GAP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCE.
IF YOU NEED TO HAVE, IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR WILDLIFE MOVEMENT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
CAMMY, I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I THINK DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
YOU HAVE WETLANDS, YOU HAVE A STREAM CARD THROUGH THERE.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU'VE ALREADY PICKED UP, AND I'M SURE YOU REALIZE I DID, I DID CALL NYSERDA BECAUSE YOU'RE MOUNTING THESE ON THE GROUND.
YOU DO NOT HAVE UNDERNEATH, I MEAN MOST SOLAR PANELS ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES BECAUSE THE WATER RUNS DOWN ON THE GROUND BECAUSE THESE ARE MOUNTED ON THE GROUND, THEY'RE CONSIDERED
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IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.SO THAT'S WHAT YOU YEAH, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH HER.
CAM MADE THAT DECISION EARLIER.
I JUST CONFIRMED THAT WITH NYSERDA BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR PROJECT.
THEY, THEY'VE NEVER PROCESSED THE PROJECT WHERE THE PANELS ARE ARE ON THE GROUND.
BUT THAT'S ONE OTHER REASON WHY WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE THE FENCE UP HIGH EITHER.
UM, BECAUSE WITH OUR PANELS BEING DOWN CHEW, SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY ADDED A BIO RETENTION AREA TO THEIR SITE.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING I WAS WAITING ON IS THE DRAINAGE
TO ENSURE THAT YOU BALANCE THE TREATMENT.
AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE LAST TIME WE, WE TALKED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, ONCE WE GET, OR IF WE WE'RE, UH, GRANTED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN WHEN WE SUBMIT EVERYTHING FOR PERMIT, UM, WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND ALL THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS FOR THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BUFFALO SOLAR TO FEBRUARY 2ND.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PEOPLE INC REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ORDERED BY AMESVILLE ROAD, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, ROGERS ROAD AND VERBECK ROAD IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO THIS, BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO A PUD, ULTIMATE APPROVAL IS GONNA BE WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SEAN HOPKINS FROM THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE INC.
ALSO WITH ME ARE RHONDA FREDERICK AND JO BOB FROM PEOPLE INC.
CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINA WOODMORE, A PROJECT ENGINEERING FIRM, AND MARK BROOK FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM OF LONG ASSOCIATES.
AS YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS ON AN INTRODUCTORY BASIS TO YOU DURING YOUR WORK SESSION HELD ON DECEMBER 1ST.
WE'RE GONNA LIMIT OUR PRESENTATION RECEIVING TO WHAT WE'VE CHANGED SINCE THEN AND AN UPDATE ON A COUPLE OF THE TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT MEETING.
THE SITE ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES IN SIZE SHOWN ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.
HOWEVER, WE DO NEED AN AMENDMENT OF THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED PUD BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, KEEP IN MIND WE'RE GOING BACK DECADES.
WHAT THE PLAN SHOWED FOR THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WAS COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND ALSO SOME MULTIFAMILY.
WHEREAS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS EXCLUSIVELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WOULD NOTE THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, THE PUD AMENDMENT REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU IN YOUR ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE TOWN BOARD.
ULTIMATELY, THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING, ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO AMEND THE PUD.
IF THAT OCCURS, WHICH OF COURSE WE HOPE IT DOES, THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH WILL REQUIRE CHRIS AND HIS TEAM TO SUBMIT FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, AN ENGINEER'S REPORT, A SWIFT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THOSE ARE STEPS AHEAD OF US.
A LEAD AGENCY, LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER WAS ISSUED ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN BOARD PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT.
MOST RECENTLY WE DID DID RECEIVE A COPY OF A LEAD AGENCY CONCURRENCE LETTER FROM DAVID DANK OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION.
AND IT HAD TWO VERY STANDARD COMMENTS.
NUMBER ONE, THE FACT THAT WE NEED A SPEEDIES PERMIT 'CAUSE WE'LL BE DISTURBING MORE THAN ONE ACRE OF SOILS.
WE'RE AWARE OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE WE'RE GENERATING MORE THAN 2,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER FLOW PER DAY, WE'LL NEED TO PROVIDE A DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS TO DEMONSTRATE THERE'S ADEQUATE DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY DURING WET WEATHER EVENTS, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS HALF INCH OR MORE PRECIPITATION DURING A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
CHRIS AND HIS TEAM ARE WELL AWARE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
WE DID SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN DATED JANUARY 10TH, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE EASEL.
NUMBER ONE, WE DID ADD SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROGERS ROAD FRONTAGE THAT WAS BASED ON A REQUEST.
SO WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION.
WE'LL PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS THE ENTIRE ROGERS ROADS RUN.
WE THINK THAT'S A NICE AMENITY.
AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, LESS IMPORTANTLY, WE DID ADD A VERY SMALL MAINTENANCE BUILDING FOR EQUIPMENT THAT'LL BE STORED ON SITE THAT'S ONLY 10 FEET BY 13 FEET IN SIZE.
IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 84 UNITS.
72 OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE ONE BEDROOM UNITS.
12 OF THOSE BEDROOM, 12 OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
OUR TARGET MARKET HERE IS TWOFOLD.
SENIORS 55 PLUS APPROXIMATELY 35 UNITS.
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THEN WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT OF 48 MINUTES.SO WHILE THIS WILL TECHNICALLY BE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE CONNECTED BY ATRIUM, WHICH WE THINK IS A NICE AMENITY, AS I INDICATED WHEN I WAS HERE ON DECEMBER 1ST, I DON'T THINK DREW WAS HERE, BUT WE WILL HAVE OUTDOOR AMENITIES INCLUDING COMMUNITY GARDENS, RECREATION AREAS, GATHERING SPACES, SEATING.
I THINK THIS PROJECT WILL BE SOMETHING NEW IN TERMS OF THIS MARKETPLACE BY PROVIDING THOSE OPTIONS BOTH ON THE SAME SITE, MEANING AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOPEFUL, HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGING INTERACTION BETWEEN THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS.
ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD ENOUGH PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
SO OUR CURRENT PLAN SHOWS 104 PARKING SPACES FOR THE 84 UNITS.
KEEPING IN MIND, AGAIN, THE 72 OF THOSE ARE ONE BEDROOM UNITS.
UM, JOSLYN BOB DID SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE BOARD ON JANUARY 10TH, WHICH I'M HOPING YOU HAVE.
THAT INCLUDED A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF PARKING.
AND I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE VERY QUICKLY.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WITHIN THE EXISTING PEOPLE INC PORTFOLIO, THERE ARE 28 PROJECTS CONSTITUTING, UM, 1,190 UNITS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE 1,190 UNITS.
THERE ARE ONLY CURRENTLY 591 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE VEHICLES.
SO APPROXIMATELY HALF, WHICH EQUATES TO A PARKING DEMAND OF LITERALLY ONLY 0.49 SPACES PER UNIT AT PEAK DEMAND.
SO WE THINK OUR PARKING DE OUR PARK RATIO OF 1.24 SPACES PER UNIT IS CERTAINLY MORE THAN ADEQUATE.
OBVIOUSLY IN HAMBURG YOU ESTABLISHED THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF THAT NUMBER.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I BELIEVE WAS ASKED WELL, IS YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON LIVING IN A ONE BEDROOM UNIT.
AND OUT OF THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO, ONLY 2.8% OF THOSE ONE BEDROOM UNITS ARE OCCUPIED BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
SO TYPICALLY A ONE BEDROOM UNIT, WHICH IS A PREDOMINANT UNIT TYPE WE'LL HAVE HERE, IS OCCUPIED ONLY BY ONE PERSON.
IN ADDITION, WE ALSO PROVIDED A LITTLE SUMMARY OF THE NUMBER OF PETS THROUGHOUT THE PORTFOLIO.
AND AGAIN, OUT OF 1,190 UNITS SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO, THERE ARE 77 DOGS, AT LEAST AS A THE SPREADSHEET AND 140 CATS.
SO THERE'S A TWO TO ONE PREFERENCE FOR CATS, THE DOGS IN CONNECTION WITH THAT LETTER THAT JOSLYN SUBMITTED.
WE ALSO DID SUBMIT A VERY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE MARKET STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY NEWMARK KNIGHT AND FRANK.
THAT'S DATED APRIL 28TH, 2021.
AND IT SHOWS CLEARLY THERE'S A DEMAND FOR BOTH HOUSING TYPES 55 PLUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THE REPORT ALSO MENTIONS THAT THE DEMAND FOR THE BOTH THOSE HOUSING TYPES ONLY BEEN ENHANCED OR INCREASED AS A RESULT OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS RESULTING THERE FROM.
SO WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THERE IS AMPLE DEMAND FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
I FINALLY WANNA NOTE THAT MARK BROOKE AND HIS TEAM AT LONG ASSOCIATES HAVE SPENT SOME TIME UPDATING THE ELEVATIONS.
WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH BLACK AND WHITE COPIES WITH OUR MOST RECENT SUBMISSION.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE'RE FAR FROM IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA REALLY GET INTO DETAILS WITH ARCHITECTURE, BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE OUR THOUGHTS AND HOW WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE HOPING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU COULD CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD OF APPROVING THE PUD.
SO WE CAN GO TO THAT PROCESS AND THEN HOPEFULLY COME BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE WITH A REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MARK, I'M GONNA LET YOU GIVE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE CURRENTLY IN TERMS OF THE RENDERINGS.
AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE GOES AND MATERIAL SAMPLES, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING BRICK THREE MATERIAL, BASICALLY BRICK, UH, A HARDY SIDING, WHICH FOR THOSE IN FAMILIAR IS A FIBER CEMENT SIDING AND, UH, FOR THE ROOF ASPHALT SHINGLE.
SO WE WANTED THE TWO BUILDINGS TO BE DIFFERENTIATED, NOT BY MATERIAL, BUT BY MATERIAL COLOR.
SO THAT THIS PROJECT READS AS ONE LEASE OF PROJECT, BUT TWO BUILDINGS, YOU CAN REALLY SEE IF THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK TYING THEM TOGETHER, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE THE RED RINGS, IS THIS KIND OF TANNED BRICK COLOR AND WHICH IS DISPERSED THROUGH THE FACADE ON, UH, MULTIPLE AREAS HERE.
AND THE MAIN THING THAT DIFFERENTIATES THEM ARE THESE GABLE AREAS WHERE THERE'S A, A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONTRASTING COLORS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SENIOR BUILDING JUST FOR, TO ORIENT YOURSELF.
AND THIS, UH, MORE KIND OF REDDISH ROUND WASH IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSE.
UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE COLOR.
WE HAVE THIS KIND OF, UH, GREEN AND KIND OF GRAYISH AND THE HARDY SIDING
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AND THE WORKFORCE IS RED AND BROWN.UH, THE TRIM IS HARDY SIDING AS WELL.
WE HAVE PROPOSING DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT KIND OF, UH, MATCH THE, THE TRIM, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFING.
AND UM, IN THE MIDDLE, DIVIDING THESE TWO BUILDINGS IS, AS SEAN SAID, AN ATRIUM.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AN ALUMINUM CLA CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN THE TALKS WITH OUR, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, JUST THE FINAL LOCAL STRUCTURE OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, THEN AGAIN, THESE ARE THE THREE VISUALIZATIONS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT FRONTS ROGERS ROAD AND LOOKING AT THESE STEEL BUILDING, THIS IS KIND OF THIS PERSPECTIVE FROM SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE IMAGINING FOR, UH, THE ATRIUM AND SOME OF THESE OUTDOOR AMENITIES.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE ONE AMENITY THAT I DID FORGET TO INCLUDE THAT'S REQUIRED AS THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A PLAYGROUND AREA ON SITE AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT'S A TOPIC THAT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
I DUNNO IF ANYONE ELSE HAD ANYTHING TO ADD.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME DIRECTION IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS.
AND OF COURSE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HONOR, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT DURING THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING, JOCELYN OF COURSE OFFERED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THAT IF ANY OF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TAKING A TOUR OF ANY OF THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES, SHE WOULD, MR. MAHONEY DID, SHE WOULD GLADLY ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND THANK YOU MR. MAHONEY FOR DOING THAT.
JUSTIN AND I DID, I HAD THE PLEASURE WALKING THROUGH THE ONE OF THE SLIDES.
IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING EDUCATIONAL TIME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE ONE QUESTION I HAD THOUGH I DON'T THINK I ASKED WHILE WE WERE TALKING MM-HMM
UM, THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS I THINK IS GREAT.
ALSO, OUR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DIDN'T REALIZE THEIR RENTS ARE BELOW OUR, OUR HAMBURG CODE RENTS, WHICH I RIGHT.
AGAIN, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
NOW MY QUESTION IS, IF SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR THESE, ONE OF THESE APARTMENTS, ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED? IF THEY'RE SUBSIDIZED FOR WHERE THEY'RE LIVING? SO IF I'M GETTING A VOUCHER YEP.
AND I COME TO YOU AND SAY, LOOK, I WANNA MOVE THESE HOUSES AND I HAVE A VOUCHER OF SUCH AND SUCH DOLLARS, I COULD MOVE INTO THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A VOUCHER THAT'S NOT A PHYSICAL BUILDING, SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER.
IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL VOUCHER VOUCHER, THEN ABSOLUTELY.
OVERALL VOUCHER, IT'S TO THE GOVERNMENT.
NOW, UM, MR. HOPKINS STATED THAT YOU CAN SHARE AN APARTMENT IN A ONE OR TWO BEDROOM, YOU CAN SHARE AN APARTMENT.
CAN YOU SHARE IT WITH THE SENIORS AND THE, THE NEW THE, THE YOUNG THERE IS.
SO COULD, SO THE QUESTION IS, COULD SOMEONE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE QUALIFY FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING SOMEONE WHO'S A CITY BUT A MOTHER AND SON? SHE, YES.
A HOUSEHOLD WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, IN THE, YOU KNOW, 55 OR OLDER, WHICH I'M FAR BEYOND.
BUT ANYWAY, TO LIVE IN THE, TO LIVE IN THE AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING, WHICH AGAIN IS A PRETTY LOW THRESHOLD.
55 PLUS WHAT JOHNSON'S SAYING IS THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD WOULD, OF COURSE THAT'D BE 55 PLUS OR IN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD WITH THE SON, THEN THE MOTHER COULD LIVE.
THAT WAS MY CONCERN TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A, UH, AN INDUSTRY COMING HERE TO THE HAMBURG AREA, THE AMAZON.
THEY'RE GONNA CREATE SOME JOBS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA CREATE SO MANY JOBS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA PAY.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE, WELL YOU HAVE AREA MI A MI AREA MEDIUM INCOME.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON THAT.
IF, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN ON AMAZON, I GET A JOB AT AMAZON, I MAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, IS THERE A, THERE'S A MAXIMUM AND A MINIMUM CORRECT.
TO WHAT YOU CAN MAKE OR WHAT YOU CAN EARN.
SO LET'S JUST SAY, I THINK IT'S ARGUMENT'S SAKE, THE POVERTY LEVEL IS $16,500.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S IN, IN
SO SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO MEET THAT THRESHOLD, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN MAKE TO GO IN HERE.
CORRECT? WELL, IF THEY HAVE A SECTION EIGHT, NOT, NOT SUBSIDY, NOT, NOT A GRAND MINIMUM.
I'M MAKING $35,000 A YEAR AND I THINK THAT'S QUALIFIES ME, BUT RIGHT.
ONE FOR THE ONE BEDROOM, THE NUMBERS THAT WE REVIEWED DURING THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST, THE STRAIGHT FROM JOLIN 27,650.
THAT AND THEN FOR THE TWO BEDROOM WE'RE AT 35,550 TO 42,000 6, 660.
KEEP MIND, THAT'S TIED TO A BENCHMARK THAT GETS ADJUSTED FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE, WHICH PRETTY YEAH.
RENT, BALLPARK SIX OR SOMETHING.
I, WELL I THAT APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND I, AGAIN, EXTEND THE INVITATION TO ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS
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IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ANY OF OUR COMPLEXES.MR. MAHONEY CAME TO OUR OAKWOOD, WHICH IS IN BLA, WHICH IS JUST OPENED.
SO HE DIDN'T GET TO SEE ANY TENANTS BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED BUILDING THOUGH.
HE DID A FINE, WHOEVER DID THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT I MEAN, UH, BUT UH, IT WAS VERY, IT WAS VERY NICE.
THEY TOOK ME THROUGH THE SURE.
BILL, JUST, I, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT I HANDED OUT.
I HANDED OUT AND SEAN EXPLAINED ALREADY, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE BRIARWOOD, IT WAS APPROVED AS A PUD MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
I THINK 35 YEARS AGO OR SO, MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THERE WAS A, THE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOWED AND THAT'S WHEN THE COVER SHEET HERE SHOWED THIS AREA, THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEING WHAT THEY CALLED OLD TIME VILLAGE.
SO, AND I GAVE YOU A COPY OF WHAT WAS IN THERE DESCRIBING WHAT OLD TIME VILLAGE WAS.
AND THEN I ALSO GAVE YOU SOME OF THE LAYOUTS THAT WERE IN SOME OF THE STUDIES OF WHAT WAS GONNA BE THERE, GASOLINE STATIONS AND OTHER THINGS AND WHATEVER.
THEY WANT AMEND THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS PLANT.
THE LAST SHEET IN HERE IS, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, FOR THOSE ON THE BOARD, WE RECENTLY APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF REZONING FOR THE PROPERTY, JUST ADJOINING THIS, WHICH IS GLEN EAGLE DRIVE.
SO THERE IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
THIS WAS THE CON CONCEPT PLAN HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET BY THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE, SHOW HOW IT FITS IN.
'CAUSE YOU WANNA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON NEXT TO IT.
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD RAISE IS THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MORE PROPERTY LEFT OR IS THERE A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY LEFT ON THE CORNER? THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON PUTTING GASOLINE STATIONS THERE, I ASSUME.
SO THEY'LL PROBABLY BE BACK TO US WITH AMENDING THAT LAST PIECE THERE.
WE'LL, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING, AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S ASSUMING, AND THE DOWN BOARD'S, ASSUMING THAT WE'VE PUT MORE HOUSING IN HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO PUT A GASOLINE STATION NEXT DOOR.
AND JUST, AND JUST IN THE INTEREST OF DISCLOSURE, CHRIS AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. BURKE ABOUT WHAT HIS THOUGHTS WOULD BE FOR THAT PARCEL.
AGAIN, NOTHING'S FINALIZED OR WE'RE HOPING IS POSSIBLY SOME EXCUSE.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION.
SO AGAIN, AS BILL SAID, VERY, UH, OUR JOB HERE IS JUST TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS AMENDMENT TO THE PUD.
IF THEY AMEND THE PUD, THEY WILL BE BACK AGAIN FOR FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF ALL THE DETAILS AND WHATEVER.
SO AGAIN, ALL WE'RE DOING PROBABLY AT NEXT MEETING WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL, FULL BOARD AND EVERYBODY'S UP TO SPEED, IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD TO PROCEED WITH THIS.
UM, BY THE WAY, I ALSO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I DID TALK TO CHRIS HALL TODAY.
CHRIS HALL WILL ATTEND ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE DID, KNEW THIS WASN'T, THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A, BUT HE WANTS TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE'S QUESTIONS ARE RAISED ABOUT NEEDS AND WHATEVER AND WHAT THE GOALS ARE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE, IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
HE WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND ANY PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING OR ANY PUBLIC HEARING.
AND OF COURSE, WE WELCOME THIS.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT THE NEXT STEP TO BE? I, I WANT THE NEXT STEP TO BE A, A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, UH, WHERE WE SOLICIT IF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, OUR, OUR TASK IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
OUR RECOMMENDATION'S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVE.
SO, SO GETTING THAT STARTED WILL HELP US WITH THAT.
UM, SO I, I WANTED TO DO THAT ON FEBRUARY 2ND.
SO I GUESS LET CHRIS HALL KNOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING WHETHER WE NOTIFY NEIGHBORS OR PEOPLE OR YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, SARAH TALKED TO ME AND I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE'S NO FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW.
YOU GUYS DETERMINE HOW YOU ADVERTISE IT, WHATEVER.
SO GIVE SOME DIRECTIONS TO SARAH AND JENNIFER THAT WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO ADVERTISE THIS IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION UNIT? WELL, PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE JUST PUT IN THE PAPER.
SO I THINK WE'LL JUST NOTICE IT IN THE PAPER, IN IN THE NOTICE AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION CENTER.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND, I THINK SARAH SUGGESTED AT LEAST CONTACT THE BRIARWOOD ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER.
WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY HERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD DO FOR A REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE TO, TO HAVE US AS IF WE'RE TREATING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THE SAME THING'S GONNA GO FOR NOT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD, BUT THE NEXT ONE TOO.
UM, BECAUSE THAT, I, I THINK THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT WE THINK.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SOLICIT THAT INPUT WHEN WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE OUR RECOMMENDATION ISN'T, ISN'T GONNA CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC INPUT.
IT MAY BE IMPORTANT, SEAN, THAT YOU MENTIONED IT AND IT, THAT MAYBE IF MR. BUR COULD ATTEND, BECAUSE AS A PLANNER, AND WHAT I'M GONNA
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LOOK AT AND WHAT THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA LOOK AT IS, HEY, THIS IS MAKING SENSE.I WANT TO KNOW HOW FITS IN WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT CORNER.
AM I GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM BY AMENDING THIS? I BILL YOU WERE WELL, I WAS THINK IN MY HEAD, NO.
'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND, AND, AND RESIDENTS.
THAT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND SOLICIT A CERTAIN TYPE OF INPUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE THEN MAYBE JUST MR. BURKES SUBMITS SOMETHING IN WRITING OR WHATEVER SAYING, HEY, HE UNDERSTANDS OBVIOUSLY SELLING THIS PROPERTY.
HE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE REMAINING PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA STICK CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO, WHICH IS NOW TURNED INTO BASICALLY A RESIDENTIAL CORNER.
WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN WE CAN ASK.
WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR JOBS TO SAY HOW THIS FITS IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MIXTURE, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL NOW UNLESS THERE'S SOME SMALL PLAN ON THE FLOOR.
AND JUST SO, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, PART OF THE REASON THAT TOPIC HAS COME UP IS BECAUSE PEOPLE, INCA OBVIOUSLY HAS THE SAME CONCERN.
SO WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AND WE WILL SHOW YOU SOMETHING.
BUT AGAIN, NOT SEEKING APPROVALS FOR THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR INTO THAT EITHER, BUT JUST A, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
AND BEYOND THAT, WE PROBABLY DON'T WANNA GET BOGGED DOWN INTO IT.
AND THE ADJO SITE, THAT WAS REZONED, THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET, BUT IT WAS REZONED TO AMEND IT.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FROM THE APPLICANT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
AND WE DIDN'T DO, WHEN, WHEN WE DID THAT OTHER PUD WE DIDN'T DO IT THIS WAY.
AND THEN, AND AFTERWARDS I FELT LIKE WE KIND OF RUSHED IT AND DIDN'T GIVE THE TOWN BOARD THE BEST INFORMATION WE COULD.
SO, AND REMEMBER THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OLD TINY PIECES OF RIGHT.
SO IS THERE ANY MY QUESTIONS OR ANY KIND OF, UH, SORT JUST TRAFFIC ANALYSIS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC STUDY, SARAH PROVIDING A COPY OF THE COUNTY ROGERS WROTE WHOLE THING.
YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY OF WHAT YOU HANDED OUT REGARDING THE GOLDEN ONES.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE PACKAGE TOGETHER HERE.
A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON PEOPLE INC FOR FEBRUARY 2ND.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WEST HER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 21 A OF THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE AND A REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST CORNERS OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND BROMPTON DRIVE FROM C ONE TO C TWO IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
WE WERE JUST, OUR TASK IS JUST TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK CHANGING THE TOWN CODE AND THE REZONING IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, IS FOR THE RECORD FOR THE, THE, THE PROVISION OF THE TOWN CODE THAT WE'RE ASKED TO LOOK AT LIMITS CAR DEALERSHIPS TO JUST CAMP ROAD.
AND THIS WOULD BE A CAR DEALERSHIP ON, UH, THE SOUTHWESTERN NEAR THAT, UH, THE EXISTING CAR DEALERSHIP THAT'S THERE.
YEAH, THE EXACT LANGUAGE BILL IS THE CODE SAYS FOR ESPECIALLY PERMIT FOR NEWER USED MORE VEHICLE SALES.
IT'S THE PROPERTY HAS FURNITURE ON CAMP ROAD, NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 75 BETWEEN THE BOUNDARIES OF NEW YORK, OF THE NEW YORK STATE FREEWAY AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS NORTH OF NASH ROAD.
THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY THE ONLY AREA THAT'S APPROVED FOR ADDITIONAL NEW AND USED CAR LOT.
REMEMBER THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN THE TOWN THAT EXIST, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ONES THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT PART PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION LIKE WOODY'S WHERE A CAR DEALERSHIP CLOSES AND WE PREFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THAT AREA.
SO WE'VE GOT A CODE THAT MAKES IT HARD FOR THEM TO, TO OPEN UP ANOTHER CAR DEALERSHIP THERE.
SO, UH, I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE REAL QUICK.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WEST.
HER ALSO WITH ME IS ANDY GAL FROM NUSSBAUMER AND CLARK.
I DID TALK TO SARAH THIS AFTERNOON.
SHE MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU INTEND TO HOLD INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
YOU DISCUSSED THAT PREVIOUSLY.
SO WE DECIDED IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, THERE'S NO PARTICULAR NEED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
WE WILL PRESENT AT THAT INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
I WOULD NOTE THAT WHEN WE WERE THERE AT THE WORK SESSION, THERE WERE TWO RESIDENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT IN THE HALL.
I HAVE SENT THEM AN EMAIL WITH COPIES OF THE PROJECT DOCUMENTATION AND I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT INFORMATION WE REPORT.
AND I ALSO WANNA NOTE WE UH, WE ALSO HAVE OFFERED AND WE WILL BE DOING SO WHETHER IT'LL BE BEFORE THAT MEETING, MEETING WITH
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ANY OF THE NEARBY RESIDENTS AT THE NEARBY WEST, HER FACILITY TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON LESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP FOR FEBRUARY 2ND.
SAYS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
CAN I DO FOR THE RECORD JUST TO SAY WHAT I HANDED OUT AND I'LL GIVE SEAN A COPY.
I HANDED OUT A, AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE AREA, A COPY OF THE SECTION OF THE LAW.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING I HANDED OUT WAS, AS YOU KNOW, ZONING MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I PULLED OUT THE OLD CONFERENCE PLAN, WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW ONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA OF THE TOWN, AND THAT'S THE GIST OF THE MATTER THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IT DOES CALL FOR, YOU COULD HAVE THE EXTENSION OF, OF COMMERCIAL ON THIS SIDE OF THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, BUT IT'S THIS VERY SHALLOW DEPTH.
AND IF, REMEMBER WHEN WE WROTE THE PLAN, THE IDEA WAS WE HAVE TO TRY TO PROTECT THE ADJOINING RESIDENTS.
SO WHATEVER WE DO AN APPROVAL, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THOSE ADJOINING RESIDENTS.
WE KNEW THAT THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD WAS HEAVILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO YES, WE CAN CONSIDER COMMERCIAL, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IMPACTING THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE BEHIND THERE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE ON THE CURRENT PLAN, IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT WE'RE SHOWING UP 50 FOOT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE BUFFER IN WHICH THE EXISTING VEGETATION WOULD REMAINS.
AND, AND SEAN, THE ONLY QUESTION, OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN LOOKED AT OVER THE YEARS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WENT AWAY BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS FULL OF WETLANDS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE WET YOU HAVE YOUR WETLANDS.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, MAYBE IT IS DRIED UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DROVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS SITE IN THE PAST, THAT THERE WERE WEAPONS ON THIS PRODUCT.
WE HAVE TOWNS MAP STILL SHOWS THAT IT WETLAND, WE HAVEN'T UPDATED ATION THAT WAS DONE BY EARTH DIMENSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE WETLAND PERMIT.
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT GREATER DETAIL.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN A FEW MINUTES.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE AND PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST CORNER CORNER OF LAKE SHORE ROAD IN BIG TREE GROVE.
SO DID I THINK IT WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO, DID THE PLANNING BOARD GET THE MEMO FROM THE SHORELINE? BECAUSE I, I GET A LOT OF EMAILS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY GETS.
WHATEVER HE DOESN'T, YOU DIDN'T SEE IT? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
DENNIS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I READ, YOU READ A LOT OF, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYMORE.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST WEEK.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN A WHILE AGO TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT WITH SARAH.
DID DID WE SEND THE, DID THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE SEND A MEMO THAT, UH, FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YOU DID MENTION THAT THEY WERE YEAH, I I THOUGHT THEY, I THOUGHT THEY DID ONE AND SENT IT TO YOU, BUT THAT MUST BE WRONG IF YOU, IF YOU GET A CHANCE, AND I'LL TRY AND DO IT IF I REMEMBER TO, BUT, UH, IF YOU COULD FIND LEONA ROCKWOOD WROTE IT OR MARK MALKI PROBABLY HAS IT TOO.
WELL, YOU WON'T MIND IF I STAND HERE SO I CAN CHANGE SCREEN TONIGHT.
I'M TARA MATHIAS WITH THE BROADWAY GROUP AND WE ARE REPRESENTING A DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT, UM, TO BE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF LAKE SHORE ROAD IN THE BIG TREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
WE'VE, UM, BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW AT LEAST.
AND, UH, WE'VE ALSO MET WITH SOME OF THE REFERRAL BOARDS, UM, AND WE RECEIVED SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM OTHER INTERESTED AGENCIES.
SO TONIGHT I JUST WANTED TO BASICALLY RECAP THE PROJECT AND HEARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE MAYBE SOME NEW, UM, MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING BOARD TONIGHT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY RECAP IT, SHOW YOU AGAIN THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN AND THE, UM, SOME CHANGES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN BASED OFF OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.
WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF A MINOR SUBDIVIDED LOT, AND THEN WE HAD SOME OTHER NEW INFORMATION THAT I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON.
AND THEN IF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE THINGS, WE CAN DELVE INTO IT DEEPER OR MAYBE, UM, ADDRESS IT AT A ANOTHER MEETING IF THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A GENERAL VARIETY RETAIL STORE.
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THE, UM, HALLMARK OF THE BRAND IS BASICALLY TO PROVIDE CONVENIENT ACCESS TO EVERYDAY ESSENTIAL GOODS, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN ECONOMICAL PLACE TO SHOP AND GET THOSE GOODS, UM, CLOSE, CLOSE BY THEIR HOMES.WE WOULD ANTICIPATE CREATING EIGHT TO 10 JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE DID ENHANCE THE BUILDING DESIGN TO BE, UM, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AREA WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A NAUTICAL THEME.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THAT, UM, TAX, UM, TAX BASE THAT WE CAN ALSO HELP FEEDBACK AND, UM, GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH, UM, THE PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAXES THAT GO THROUGH TO THE COUNTY.
SO THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL LOOK OF WHERE THE PROJECT SITE IS AT.
I KNOW THIS INTERSECTION CAN BE CONFUSING BECAUSE BIG TREE ROAD IS LIKE IN TWO DIFFERENT SPOTS, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE RIGHT HERE, UM, AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM PEGS.
THERE'S A ONE STOP CAR WASH, AND THEN THERE'S A HAMBURG MOTOR THAT IS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A PRETTY HEAVILY, UM, DEVELOPED AREA ALREADY WITH A LOT OF OTHER, UM, COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES NEARBY.
UM, ANOTHER NOTABLE THING ABOUT THE AREA IS THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UM, LOT, WHICH IS KIND OF A MANUFACTURING AREA THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE AN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
SO I MENTIONED THE ONE STOP CAR WASH.
IT'S BASICALLY DIRECTLY ACROSS, UM, THE STREET FROM US, THE HAMBURG MOTORS UNIVERSAL ENGINES.
IT'S ACROSS FOSTER BROOK FROM US HEAD'S PLACE IS ACROSS LAKESHORE.
UM, THERE'S A SUNCO GAS STATION.
THE TIM HORTON'S IS NEARBY BUFFALO MULTI-FIT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE NEWER, UM, CONSTRUCTIONS IN THE AREA.
AND THEN THE ELDON BATTERY POST IS ALSO NEARBY THE SITE, ALL WITHIN THAT BASIC, UM, INTERSECTION AREA.
SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT FROM THE ZONING MAP.
I WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE WE ARE ZONE C TWO.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WERE REQUESTING BUILDINGS THAT LOOKED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
AND SOME OF THE REFERENCES THAT WE WERE PROVIDED WERE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THIS WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THEY'RE ALSO IN THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS ARE ALL VERY DIFFERENT FOR THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR OR AT LEAST AWARE THAT THE C TWO DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT AND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
THIS IS THE REVISED SITE LAYOUT.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ALL SAW THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
AS YOU REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT TURNING THE BUILDING, UM, BASICALLY AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE AND, UM, SEEING IF WE COULD, UM, MAYBE PULL IT OUT OF, OF SOME OF THE FLOODPLAIN AREA AND INCREASE THE DISTANCE TO FOSTER BROOK.
AFTER A DISCUSSION OF ALL THE TRADE-OFFS AND THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, WE DECIDED THE ORIGINAL ORIENTATION WAS MORE DESIRABLE.
SO WHAT WE DID, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD, AND SO WE EXTENDED THE SIDEWALK DOWN TO THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LINE.
IT HAD ORIGINALLY STOPPED AT OUR DRIVEWAY.
SO WE DID THAT AT THEIR, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN IN THE COURSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, UM, WHO WILL BE REVIEWING AND APPROVING OUR DRIVEWAY, BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO RESTRICT TRUCK MOVEMENTS COMING OUT BECAUSE THERE IS A LOW, UM, CLEARANCE BRIDGE TO THE LEFT.
SO, UM, WE BASICALLY ARE GONNA BE PUTTING IN SOME SIGNS THAT WILL RESTRICT TRUCK TRAFFIC TO TURN RIGHT OUT OF THE SITE.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SAW SINCE OUR PREVIOUS, UM, MEETING.
TURNING RIGHT, YOU SHOWED BEFORE TURNING RIGHT, HEADING SOUTH.
WE HEAD SOUTH AND TOWARDS THE LAKE, TURNING RIGHT TOWARDS THE LAKE.
LET'S, I THINK WEST, BUT I KNOW IT'S KIND OF RIGHT.
IT'S A WEIRD, IT'S A WEIRD, YEAH.
THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO ASKED THAT WE, UM, PROVIDE A REVISED LANDSCAPING PLAN.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE PACKET THAT WE SUBMITTED.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE DONE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING.
WE DO KNOW THAT THIS IS A, UM, IMPORTANT AREA.
IT MAY NOT BE ON A MAPPER NECESSARILY AS AN IMPORTANT SCENIC AREA, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN.
AND SO WE HAVE GONE, I THINK, ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
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UM, WE PUT IN A LOT OF THE NATIVE GRASS SPECIES THAT I THINK IS VERY, UM, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AREA AND ALSO KIND OF THE, UM, THE NAUTICAL THEME THAT WE SEE CLOSE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE LAKE.I WANNA TALK TO YOU NEXT ABOUT THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'VE SHARED WITH YOU A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES THAT MY INSPIRATION WHEN I DROVE AROUND THE TOWN IN THE AREA, UM, WAS THE CLOCK TOWER.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE.
UM, I THINK THAT IT HAS A VERY NICE NAUTICAL APPEARANCE.
AND SO WE SEE HERE THAT WE'VE GOT THIS BOARD AND BATTEN TOP.
WE'VE GOT THE SHAKER SHINGLE, UM, AT THE BOTTOM, THIS NEUTRAL COLOR SCHEME.
AND THEN, UM, HE KIND OF HAVE THIS, NOT THIS, IT'S A TOWER.
SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BUFFALO MULTI-FIT BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZED IT AS A NEWER DEVELOPMENT.
IT HAD A SIMILAR COLOR SCHEME.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO WE LOOKED AT TIM HORTON'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, DISTRICT ZONING AND DIFFERENT OVERLAY.
WE STILL LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THEY WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT A NAUTICAL THEME.
WE RECOGNIZED THAT THEY DID MOST OF THEIRS THROUGH LANDSCAPING AND NOT REALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING DESIGN.
SO AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, GAVE ME SOME FEEDBACK.
AND IT WAS, UM, ALSO SOME FEEDBACK THAT CAME IN FROM THE REFERRAL REFERRAL BOARDS, LIKE THE SHORELINE, UM, COMMITTEE, UM, BASICALLY ASKING THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE BUILDINGS.
AND SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF CAME UP WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PITCHED ROOF APPEARANCE.
WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY DO A PITCHED ROOF, A FULL PITCHED ROOF, BUT GOING BACK TO THE CLOCK TOWER EVEN, IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A PITCH AT THE VERY TOP OF IT.
AND SO, UM, I WANTED TO BASICALLY FOCUS IN OUR INVESTMENT, THE, THE INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SITE.
I'M REALLY BEAUTIFYING THE ENTRANCE.
AND SO WE'VE MADE THAT INTO MORE OF A TOWER LIKE STRUCTURE.
IT'S GOT THE PITCHED ROOF AT THE TOP.
UM, IT ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE, PULLS THROUGH THAT WHOLE THEME OF THE BOARD AND BATTEN THE SHAKE SHINGLE, UM, SIDING, UM, SOME REALLY PRETTY MILLWORK, EVEN THE TRANSOM MILLWORK ABOVE THE AWNINGS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE TRANSOM, UM, FEATURE OF THE CLOCK TOWER.
WE HAVE SOME DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES UP HERE THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE NAUTICAL.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE COLOR SCHEME, ANOTHER FEATURE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAS HOPING TO SEE WERE SOME WINDOWS.
AND SO I DID ASK FOR ARCHITECT TO INCORPORATE SOME WINDOWS.
AND SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING A COUPLE OF WINDOWS ON, UM, ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S FACING THE STREET.
AND THIS IS WHERE, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN THAT LOT ONE, WHICH WE'RE PLANNING TO DEVELOP FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
UM, AND THIS IS REALLY ALL THE AREA WE NEED TO MAKE THAT SITE WORK, BUT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THIS SUBDIVIDED SECOND PARCEL THAT IS, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DEVELOP RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS LOT AT THIS PRESENT TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SUBDIVIDE INTO SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN FELT WOULD NOT BE USEFUL IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE BASICALLY TOOK A LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE EXISTING FLOODPLAIN.
UM, AND THERE ARE TWO MAIN AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO ONE OF THEM IS, UM, 0.15 ACRES, AND THE GREEN ONE IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT THAT BASICALLY SAID THERE SHOULDN'T REALLY BE ANY LIMITATIONS ESTABLISHED ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
IF IT DOES NEED TO BE IN DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THAT DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLIED WITH ALL THE PERMITTING AUTHORITIES, INCLUDING IF THERE WERE ANY FLOOD PREVENTION REGULATIONS OR WETLAND CONSIDERATIONS.
SO IN OUR OPINION, ABOUT A HALF OF AN ACRE OR MORE, THE RED OUTLINE COULD REASONABLY BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT CAUSING ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE LOT.
SO, UM, I TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER LOT SIZES IN THE AREA THAT EVEN HAVE OPERATING BUSINESSES ON THEM, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE, SOME OF THEM ARE A 10TH OF AN ACRE, SO EVEN THE SMALLER, UM, KIND OF ORANGY COLOR WOULD WORK.
AND THEN, UM, I SAW SEVERAL OTHER LOTS THAT WERE AROUND A QUARTER OF AN ACRE THAT ARE OPERATING BUSINESSES.
SO I HOPE THAT THIS HELPS, UM, CLARIFY THAT THE LOT COULD BE DEVELOPED AND USED
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AND, UM, THAT IT COULD BE, UM, DEVELOPED TO ITS HIGHEST USE FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN TO DEVELOP MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE TAXES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.JUST SOME OTHER BRIEF NEW INFORMATION THAT I MENTIONED WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE, OR IF YOU NEED TIME TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION.
YOU, YOU CAN, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE LATER, BUT WE RECEIVED, UM, COMMENT LETTERS FROM SEVERAL INTERESTED AGENCIES THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, WE WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT APPEAR TO BE NEEDING A, A RESPONSE.
UM, AND WE PREPARE PREPARED THAT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE THE PERMITTING AGENCY FOR OUR DRIVEWAY.
AND SO WHEN THEY RESPONDED TO THE 2 39 REVIEW, THEY, UM, SAID THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
UM, PARTICULARLY THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPERATIONS AT THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS IF THERE WAS A WARRANT FOR A TURN LANE FOR OUR, UM, FOR OUR BUSINESS.
AND SO WE DID HAVE THAT, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED, UM, ABOUT A, MAYBE ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
AND, UM, THAT REPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO WARRANT FOR A TURN LANE.
THEY ALSO DID A FULL REVIEW OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE, UM, PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AND FOUND THAT THERE WERE NO FACTORS OF, OF CONCERN, UM, WITH THE CURRENT OR THE BUILD OUT OF THE SITE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I FELT LIKE I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON IS THE, UM, CONSULTATION THAT WE REQUESTED FROM SHIPPO.
AND SO, UM, I UPDATED YOU LAST TIME THAT, THAT WE HAD CONDUCTED SOME FIELD WORK ON THE SITE BECAUSE SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN REALLY DEVELOPED BEFORE, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ARCHEOLOGICALLY, A SENSITIVE AREA THERE.
SO OUR, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS WERE ABLE TO GO OUT IN DECEMBER BEFORE THE THE GROUND GOT TOO FROZEN.
THEY HAVE TO DO THIS TEST BASICALLY USING JUST HAND TOOLS.
UM, AND SO THEY CONDUCTED THAT IN DECEMBER, BUT UM, THEY HAVE NOT COMPILED THE FULL REPORT YET.
SO WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO WAS BASICALLY TO SEND YOU AN OPINION LETTER TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF THE FINDINGS AND THEIR FINDINGS WERE THAT THERE WERE NO SENSITIVE MATERIALS, UM, THROUGH THEIR INVESTIGATION.
AND ONCE THE FULL REPORT IS COMPLETE, THEY'RE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING CLEARANCE, UM, FROM SHIPPO.
SO THAT IS OUR ANTICIPATION THAT THE SITE WOULD BE CLEARED OF ANY KIND OF ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSITIVITIES.
SO THOSE, UM, AND OF COURSE WE'LL SUBMIT THE FULL REPORT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL.
DOES THE TRAFFIC STUDY ALSO GO TO, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS? I HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THAT TO DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND IF YOU WANNA INSTRUCT ME ON THAT, I WASN'T SURE IF THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE SEND IT BACK TO THEM OR IF I WOULD BASICALLY SUBMIT IT WHEN I DO MY APPLICATION FOR DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT AND SHOULD PROBABLY DO IT NOW.
YEAH, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY, UM, THE MAIN POINTS OF MY UPDATE THIS EVENING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING HAD DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY STARTING TO LOOK AT PART TWO OF THE SPEAKER, BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, UM, ABOUT THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
UM, THERE IS A MEMO FROM THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE DATED DECEMBER 12TH THAT I NEVER GOT, BUT OKAY.
I'D MARK MARK IT IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DID NOT, NOTHING FROM ME ON ROCKWOOD IN MY OKAY.
YOU SAID LEON? LEON ON THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE AND THE CONSERVATION BOARD.
SHE SENT AN EMAIL FROM THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN I'LL FORWARD THAT TO ALL THE JUDGES.
THE, THE MEMO'S GONNA SPEAK FOR ITSELF, BUT I GUESS THE, UH, THE QUICK HIT OVERVIEW IS THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE FEELS LIKE A GENERAL STORE DOES FIT IN WITH A LOT OF THE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THAT AREA.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT AREA AND THEY THINK A, A GENERAL STORE WOULD, WOULD, UH, WORK TOGETHER WITH THOSE THINGS.
UH, THEIR ONLY CONCERNS WERE THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH OF A GENERALIZATION, BUT THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THE AESTHETICS A GREAT QUESTION,
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YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT, UH, WE'VE HAD SHORELINE, YOU KNOW, THINGS IN FRONT US BEFORE AND WE LOOKED FOR THE AESTHETICS AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT AN ARTICLE OR WHATEVER.TERRY, IS THERE ANY OTHER, I LOOKED A LOT OF YOUR DOLLAR GENERAL IN MY HOMEWORK.
DID YOU EVER, DID YOU DO ANYTHING LIKE A TOWER ENTRANCE IN ANY OF YOUR OTHER SITES? I NEVER SAW ONE.
LIKE A TOWER ENTRANCE YOU JUST PRESENTED MM-HMM
WE, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TERRITORY IN ALABAMA AND IN THE AREA OF ORANGE BEACH WE'VE DONE A SIMILAR TOWER DESIGN.
AND THAT TOWER WASN'T PRESENTED TO THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE EITHER.
THAT WAS, IT WAS NOT AFTER INPUT FROM, IT WAS AFTER INPUT FROM THEM AND INPUT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ARTICULATION OF THE ROOF LINE.
WITH THAT PICTURE, YOU, YOU COULD DEFINITELY SEE THE INFLUENCE OF THE TOWER.
UM, BIGGEST QUESTION I HAVE, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE ASKED FOR, YOU'RE RIGHT, PROBABLY NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH PART TWO, THE APP, NOW THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED ALL THIS INFORMATION, UM, THE ISSUE IS JUST WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WHY DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE TO BE SUBDIVIDED NOW? BECAUSE BY SUB SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY, I HAVE TO DO SEEKER ON THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN THE SUBDIVISION, I HAVE TO CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT NEW LAUNCH YOU CREATING AND WITHOUT A LOT OF WORK THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ON YOUR BEHALF.
HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION AND CREATING A BUILDABLE LOT THAT YOU ADMIT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT, THERE MAY NOT BE OR MAYBE BE BUILDABLE AREA, SO IT'S JUST GONNA CREATE MORE SECRET PROBLEMS FOR YOU, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE IF YOU SUBDIVIDE IT OFF.
UM, SO, SO ARE YOU'RE SAYING, AND AGAIN, DPW ERIE COUNTY DPW WILL BE CONCERNED, WE'RE CREATING ANOTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOT ADJOINING THIS ONE.
THEY'LL SAY, HEY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S GOTTA CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING LOT AND WHAT COULD GO IN THAT BUILDING LOT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, AND THAT WHY I MISSED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY? IS IT YES.
WE NEED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO BE FEASIBLE.
SO IT, IT IS GONNA COMPLICATE YOUR SEEKER BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN MY SEEKER ANALYSIS.
I GOTTA DO SOME LEVEL, IT CAN BE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, BUT I GOTTA LOOK AT SOME LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT AND SAY, THIS IS NOT, BECAUSE IF I CREATE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PLOT, THEN I'M ACTUALLY SAYING LIKE, DBW WILL TELL YOU ONCE I CREATE A BUILDING LOT, THEY HAVE TO GIVE ACCESS TO IT.
UM, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME LEVEL OF SECRET ANALYSIS TO SAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING A LOT THAT IS COMMERCIALLY DEVELOPABLE AND WILL MAKE SENSE AND NOT IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT.
LET ME, THOSE ARE GONNA BE MY QUESTIONS.
AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE MINOR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, IT'S PROCESS AND I UNDERSTAND I'VE BEEN AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO LET YOU KNOW OF OUR FUTURE PLANS BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE TWO LOTS.
BUT THE MINOR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, SEEMED VERY ABBREVIATED.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME, I I DID NOTAND VERY GOOD ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, ASK THEM AND, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU IF I'M SUBDIVIDING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT IS PART OF THE SECRET ANALYSIS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME FORM OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE DO SUBDIVISIONS, WE LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THERE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THIS IS GONNA BE, YOU HAVE A GOOD CONSULTANT, YOU CAN ASK THEM.
I MEAN, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I CAN'T SEGMENT IT AND SAY I'M JUST DOING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA CONSIDER THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY IN THE ACTIONS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S AN ABBREVIATED PROCESS FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S MINOR IN NATURE.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS UNIQUE.
OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T, DON'T CALL COMMERCIAL, UH, SUBDIVISION A REQUIRED APPROVAL, BUT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DOESN'T DIVIDE IT.
THEY SAY THE DIVISION OF ANY LOT REQUIRES APPROVAL.
SO I DO HAVE AN APPROVAL, I DO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TOGETHER.
I CAN'T SITE IT AND SAY, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT THE FUTURE.
SO TALK TO YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, LET 'EM KNOW AND THINK THAT I'M WRONG, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE I'VE DONE HUNDREDS OF THESE THAT I GOTTA LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT 21 AS PART OF THAT ANALYSIS, THAT'S CREATE SOME PROBLEMS. THAT'S THE TOUGH PART OF THE PROPERTY.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO JUST CLARIFY IS WE HAVE NO PLAN TO DEVELOP IT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR, THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT IT.
I'M GONNA ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LIMITING AREAS, ET CETERA.
HOW MUCH OF THE SITE CAN BE DEVELOPED? HOW'S IT GONNA BE HANDLED FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT TRAFFIC? I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME USER THERE GENERATING X AMOUNT OF CAR TRIPS AND WHATEVER.
AND DO WE HAVE SHARED DRIVEWAYS FOR IT? DO WE HAVE INDEPENDENT DRIVEWAYS? ARE THIS GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS? THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
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SO TALK TO YOUR HEAVIER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, BUT IT DOES CREATE A LEVEL OF PROBLEM THAT I'M, I'M CREATING ADDITIONAL PIECE, OKAY.UH, THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED LATE AT A LATER DAY.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE ALREADY GOT AN OPINION LETTER FROM OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT AND IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY SAW NO ISSUES WITH HAVING THIS AS A SUBDIVIDED LOT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.
NUMBER TWO, IF AND WHEN THIS PIECE BECOMES DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, THAT APPLICANT, THAT PROJECT SPONSOR WILL BE SPENT STANDING HERE JUST LIKE I AM.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE GOING THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW, LOOKING AT DRAIN, THAT'S, AND ALL OF THAT CALLED SEGMENTATION UNDER SEEKER.
I'M SAYING I'M GONNA LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WELL THEN DON'T DIVIDE THE PROPERTY.
NOW, IF I DIDN'T DIVIDE THE PROPERTY, THEN I CAN CONSIDER THAT WHOLE ACTION, THE FUTURE, THE DIVISION OF ANALYSIS.
BUT IF I GO AND APPROVE THAT, WE GO AND APPROVE A LOT.
WE'RE SAYING, WE THINK THIS IS A DEVELOPABLE LOT.
THEN WE APPROVE IT THAT, WELL, IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK.
YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR X, Y, AND Z REASON.
MAYBE IT'S EASY, MAYBE THEY CAN PROVE TO US THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE'S NOT GONNA BE, NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
BUT I KNOW THE DPWI WORK WITH 'EM A LOT.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER USER THERE.
I GOTTA MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE COULD BE ANOTHER USER RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO AS PART OF THIS, WE'RE APPROVING THAT.
WHO'S DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL? MY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT IS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL.
BUT I, I'M TELLING YOU, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED FULL SET OF PLANS, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, IT COULD BE THIS, IT COULD GENERATE THIS MUCH TRAFFIC.
WE COULD MAY HAVE TO PUT LIMITATIONS THAT YOU PUT, HOW MUCH OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPABLE? DO I HAVE TO MAP THE FLOODWAY AND, AND MAP ALL THE THINGS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS HOW THIS SITE WOULD BE DEVELOPED.
I MEAN, WE DON'T LIKE CREATING UN BUILDABLE LOTS.
YOU'RE FAIRLY COMFORTABLE THAT IT IS A BUILDABLE LOT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A BUILDABLE LOT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BILL PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, I MEAN, THAT'S MEMBERS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU CREATE A SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS OF A COMMERCIAL BLOCK, I GOTTA LOOK AT THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT COMMERCIAL BLOCK, RIGHT? I THINK I THINK THE, THE, THE SHORTENED VERSION OF, OF, OF WHAT WE WERE KIND OF JUST GOING OVER IS THE SUBDIVISION CREATES A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN THE REST.
AND, AND DREW'S BASIC POINT IS, IS IT WORTH IT TO SUBDIVIDE IT AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS OR KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS? AND WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPER AND WE HAVE SOME MORE OF THOSE ANSWERS, DO IT THEN.
UM, I THINK IF THE, IF THE TOWN CAN BE CLEAR WITH ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR AT ALL.
AND I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOKING AT A MOVING TARGET, RIGHT? IF THE TOWN CAN BE CLEAR TO ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR, IF YOU CAN BE CLEAR TO ME WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR, I CAN THEN FIGURES THE REGULATIONS, THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW, A SEEKER, WHEN I'M TAKING AN ACTION, CREATING A LOT, I, I CAN'T SEGMENT AND SAY I'LL LOOK AT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT LATER.
I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT NOW BECAUSE I'M APPROVING THAT LOT BEING FORMED.
IT'S CALLED SEGMENTATION UNDER THE SE UNDER THE SECRET LAW.
I CAN'T SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING, BUT I'LL CONSIDER THAT LATER.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'VE KEPT IT AS ONE LOT, WE CAN SAY, YEAH, THERE MAY BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S TOO SPECULATIVE.
WE'VE SHOWN NO SIGNS OF COMMITMENT, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THE SUBDIVISION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU, HEY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SOMETHING, BUT YOU COULD WRITE SOMETHING, A LETTER OR, OR A MEMO OR SOMETHING THAT CLARIFIES EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
AND AND MAYBE WE HAVE JENNIFER WEIGH IN, UM, SO WE CAN GET YOU THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE IT IT, IT'S A COMPLICATED, IT'S CONFUSING.
IT'S, IT'S CONFUSING AND WE RELY ON DREW AS THE EXPERT AND SEEKER TO HELP US WHEN IT GETS INTO THESE LITTLE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE, ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL SITE THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER TO HOPEFULLY PROVE TO THEM THAT IT'S NOT AN IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT DOING TRAFFIC STUDY EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M LOOKING AT A LOT, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I'M SHORT DPW TO SAY, OKAY, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER USER HERE.
HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? IS IT GONNA WORK? UM, I I THINK WE, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT GOING INTO PART TWO, DREW, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS YET.
RIGHT? WE, WE DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO PART TWO, BUT BY ALL MEANS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT I GET TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, DO WE MISS ANYTHING? WE MAY HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, AND, AND BEFORE I, I KIND OF GO FORWARD WITH THAT, THE, THE RENDERING THAT WE SAW TODAY, DO WE WANT TO TRY AND HAVE MORE CHANGES TO THAT? OR WOULD YOU
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WANNA PRESENT THAT AND HAVE THE PUBLIC, A PUBLIC HEARING THAT CONSIDERS THAT PARTICULAR RENDERING? I LIKE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY.SO, SO THEN, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO THAT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A MEMO CLARIFYING THE SUBDIVISION ISSUE AS FAR AS HOW THAT IMPACTS SEEKER SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER.
AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER LAWYERS HERE, I HOPE THEY THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON TOO.
SO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS FOR TONIGHT? THE ONLY OTHER THING I NEED GUYS, IS YOU HAVE TO DO A WATERFRONT DETERMINATION.
DID THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE RECOMMEND, DID THEY REVIEW THE WAF AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IT? THEY MADE RECOMMENDATION ON THE DESIGN.
I JUST NEED TO GET BACK TO 'EM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON COASTAL CONSISTENCY.
I DIDN'T GET, WELL, I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM THEM, BUT THE MEMO DOESN'T JUST, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE DESIGN, THE FLOOD ZONE.
AND WE'LL GET THAT MEMO AND WE'LL GET THAT MEMO TO THE APPLICANT ALSO.
YES, WE DID FILL THAT OUT AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT SHORELINE COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF, I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO WE DID TAKE THEIR COMMENTS FROM THAT MEETING INTO CONSIDERATION AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THE CHANGES WE DID HERE.
SO, ONE QUESTION AGAIN, WE NEED INPUT.
THERE ARE NO REGULATED TIMEFRAME FOR THEM TO REVIEW THE SECRET ONCE YOU, ONE, NO SECRET, NO MUNICIPAL TIMEFRAME START TO RUN UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE SECRET PROCESS.
SO WE'LL PUSH THEM ON GETTING THEIR COMMENT ON THE WAF AND, AND YOU'RE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FORM THAT JOE KILLIAN USUALLY SIGNS, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEM TO RECOMMEND TO YOU THAT THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY IS A CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE STATE AND, AND TOWNS GUIDELINES FOR COASTAL CONSISTENCY.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO BE PREPARED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, I JUST SENT YOU THE SHORELINE MEMO THAT I JUST SAW.
SARAH, ARE YOU GONNA SEND THAT TO ALL OF US? I ALREADY DID.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, SO WHAT, HOLD ON.
WHAT'S THE ADDRESS IN THIS ONE? IT'S, YOU WANNA CALL IT THE BIG TREE DOLLAR GENERAL BIG S JUST BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT TO GET CONFUSED WITH YEAH, WELL WE LAKE SHORE AND THEN THERE'S A LAKE VIEW, LAKE SHORE AND BIG TREE.
NOW YOU'RE ALREADY CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT'S LAKE VIEW IN BIGTREE.
NO, THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF LAKE SHORE IN BIG TREE.
BUT WE HAVE $2 GENERALS, RIGHT? ONE, I DIDN'T WANNA CALL ONE LAKE SHORE AND CALL ONE LAKEVIEW GETTING CONFUSED IT.
SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS IN THE BIG TREE ONE AND THE HELPS ROAD ONE HAS AN ADDRESS.
YEAH, SO THE BIG TREE AND HELPS.
I DON'T, SO, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BIGTREE DOLLAR GENERAL FOR FEBRUARY 2ND.
SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
AND I'LL START TO PREPARE PART TWO, BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION I'M GONNA HAVE IS SUBDIVISION PLAN, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA OF DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 98 TOWN HOMES ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIARCLIFF DRIVE.
AND ON THIS ONE I THINK WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS REQUEST, UH, PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE IT GOES TO ENGINEERING.
AND THE REASON BEING THAT THEY, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANNA HAVE INPUT INTO THEIR ENGINEERING, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT'S DATA DEVELOPMENT ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
AS YOU RECALL, WE ATTENDED YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO AND PRESENTED THE PLAN.
WE MADE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED.
FIRST AND FOREMOST AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE HAD WHAT'S ACTUALLY A SIDE YARD SETBACK OF A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET.
IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A BUILDING HERE.
WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, INCREASED THAT FROM 15 FEET TO 25 FEET.
SO THE CLOSEST ANY OF THESE TOWNS, HOMES, TOWN HOMES WILL BE TO THE REAR OF AN ADJOINING PROPERTY ON OUR BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE IS NOW 25 FEET.
I BELIEVE TAMMY ISSUED A MEMO ON BEHALF OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SUGGESTED A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET.
SO WE'VE NOW BROUGHT THAT INTO COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? THAT DID RESULT IN A LOSS OF TWO TOTAL UNITS.
UM, WE DID CHANGE AND C POINTED OUT THE TWO STORY TOWN HOME BUILDING CLOSEST TO CLOVER BANK, WHICH
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CHANGED FROM A THREE UNIT TO A FIVE UNIT AS RECALL.WE SUPPLEMENTED THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT EDGE AND THEN CHRIS JUST UPDATED THE PLAN TO SHOW THE RE RELOCATED SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AREA.
I ALSO DID SPEAK TO SARAH ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
AND WE ADDED A PASSIVE RECREATION AREA HERE AS WELL IN ADDITION TO THE RECREATION AREA HERE NEAR THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I THINK CA CAITLIN HAD MENTIONED RIGHT, THAT SHE WANTED SOMETHING UP IN HERE.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACKS IN THE ROAD.
SO WE MADE SOME ROOM FORWARD AND PUT IT, WHICH WILL BE MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS.
FOR RECORD, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE, OH, THE DATA.
SO THAT WE'RE REFERENCING THE UPDATED SITE PLAN, DRAWING C 100 DATED JANUARY 10TH, 2022.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ADDITIONAL REC, PASSIVE RECREATIONAL AREA ADDED ON THE INSIDE OF THE CURVE OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE OVER CLOSEST TO COLD BAY.
SO GIVEN THAT WE KNOW YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BE PREPARED TO PRESENT THE PROJECT OVERALL OKAY.
AND THEN OF COURSE OUR HOPES IS OUR HOPE IS TO THEN PROCEED WITH FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.
I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS ARE HERE.
I DID PROVIDE, UH, I THINK IT'S PATTY MICHAEL.
AFTER THE LAST MEETING WITH COPIES OF PLANS THAT SHE'D REQUESTED, I HAVE NOT PROVIDED HER WITH THIS MOST RECENTLY UPDATED PLAN, WHICH IS A VERY SLIGHT MODIFICATION.
I WILL DO SO, AND I ASSUME SHE WILL PROBABLY LET RESIDENTS KNOW ABOUT THAT MEETING ONCE IT'S BEEN SCHEDULED.
AND IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MY CONTACT INFO BILL.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THEY WILL NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE.
SO, SO NOTIFICATION WILL, WILL JUST NOTIFY THE PAPER, BUT YOU GUYS WILL TAKE CARE OF, OF LETTING YOUR NEIGHBORS KNOW.
SO, UH, TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DO THE, UH SURE.
ON THIS, THIS THING WE GOT ON THE EARLIER PROJECT, UH, AREAS, IJ AND K, WHICH THIS IS I THINK AREA K, THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 99 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 44 DUPLEX UNITS, 107 TOWNHOUSES AND 88 APARTMENT UNITS.
IF YOU CAN FOR THE NEXT MEETING, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D HAVE THE ANSWER TONIGHT.
UH, TELL US HOW THESE NUMBERS WOULD MATCH WITH WHAT'S EXISTING THERE, INCLUDING THAT ME AND YOU WANT AN OVERALL BREAKDOWN OF THE TOTAL BUILD OUT OF THE BRIAR? OF THE QUARRY OF IJ.
BECAUSE THIS I THINK IS K, RIGHT? THIS IS K AND I AND J ARE ALREADY BUILT, RIGHT? I AND J ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT, I THINK COMPLETELY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US.
OH, SORRY, LET'S, YOU GUYS PROVIDED IT IN THE LETTER.
IS IT THE FINDING STATEMENT? I AND J? OH YEAH.
AND I AND JI THINK HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OR SOME OF IT'S UNDER.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE LAST MEETING WE FIGURED THAT K WAS THE LAST PIECE THAT YEAH, THAT K WAS THE LAST PIECE.
AND THOSE, THE NUMBERS CHAIRMAN CLARK, THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING, WERE THOSE DENOTED FOR JUST SEGMENT K OR WERE YOU REFERENCING OTHER SECTIONS? ACCORDING TO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE IJ AND K TOGETHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I READ THIS.
WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH A, UM, A KEYBOARD CHART.
IS THAT RIGHT? DREW? ANOTHER FINDING STATEMENT THAT'S IN ONE OF THOSE STUDIES THAT WAS DONE.
CAN I GET A COPY TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PART OF IT WHERE THEY DID THE NUMBERS? WE OH, SO DREW, OH, DREW GAVE THIS TO US? YEAH, WELL I DON'T HAVE THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU GAVE IT TO US ON THE OTHER ONE.
I HAVE THIS HAND MAP AND THEN I HAVE THE OTHER ONE.
THAT'S WHAT I, AND THE OTHER THING I, I WANTED, THERE IS A TRAIL SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THIS PROPERTY OR NOT, THAT THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION CURRENTLY THERE MAINTAINED.
IF THAT'S ON THAT MAP, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IT IS ON THE MAP FOR NEXT TIME? YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON MAP, BUT OKAY.
YEAH, IF IT'S NOT ON THE MAP, THEN THAT'S IF IF IT, IF IT'S, IT DIDN'T DROP OUT SURVEY.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT, THAT I, I WANTED BEFORE THEN.
AND BILL, FOR THE RECORD, WHAT I HANDED OUT AND I GAVE A COPY OF THE HOMEOWNERS, I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE PV LAW.
I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE SECTION.
I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION OF SEAN AND YOU GUYS OF THE HUNTER HOUSING AND TOWNHOUSE RULES OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN IN THERE, OF COURSE ARE THE MAPS AGAIN.
AND THE ACTUAL FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED THE LAST MEETING I PROMISED YOU ABOUT GETTING YOU A FINDINGS CHECKLIST.
THIS IS NOTHING, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE
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RESOLUTION.I, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN ON THE RECORD.
FIREWOOD WAS THE FIRST PUD DONE BY THE TOWN, THE FIRST GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT DONE FROM THE TOWN.
AND TO BE HONEST, THEY DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB.
I MEAN, THE FINDING STATEMENT IS A RESOLUTION.
IT'S USUALLY A QUITE LONG AND VERBOSE DOCUMENT.
IT BASICALLY GIVES SOME GENERIC, THE PLANS ARE GENERIC.
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD.
USUALLY WITH THE GEIS, YOU HAVE SOME LAYOUTS AND WHATEVER.
THERE NEVER REALLY WAS A PLAN.
SOME OF THE PLANS SHOWED JUST A, A BUNCH OF SQUARES AND WHATEVER, THIS AND THAT.
SO MY QUESTION OF IT, SEAN, AND YOU, AND I'LL ASK JENNIFER, IS THAT TYPICALLY I HAVE A PLAN GO BY, SHOULD I BE, BECAUSE THESE ARE TOWNHOUSES, SHOULD I BE REFERRING TO THE TOWNHOUSE WALL OF THE TOWN? WHICH SETS SPECIFIC? YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SET, SET SPECIFIC LOT SIZES, OTHER REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA.
NOW I THINK THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT OF IT MAYBE TAKEN UP BY THE PUD TALK HAD AN OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION PLAN.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN.
I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO MEET THOSE? PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE THE PUD, BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD REFERENCE FOR US TO, AND THAT IS THE REFERENCE WE USED TO COME UP WITH THE SEPARATE, BASED ON A PREVIOUS MEETING, THE BUILDING SEPARATION.
AND HOW ABOUT ARE YOU GONNA PUT A ALL REQUIRES A CERTAIN SIZE PATIOS AT THE BACK OF THE BACK OF THE UNITS? YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT? I MEAN YOU READ THE CUSTOMER, I MEAN THE TIME HOUSE IT HAS, YEAH, YOU HAVE ALL THE KIND, BUT IT HAS SOME INTERESTING THINGS IN THERE.
IT HAS ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SIZE PATIO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE
SO WE'LL USE THAT AS A GUIDELINE.
BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO LOOK AT.
I I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AS A GUIDELINE TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE SETBACKS, THESE ARE THE RULES ABOUT TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I'M SURE THOSE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS DIDN'T EXIST BACK WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED.
I CAN'T, THERE'S NO PLAN TO GO BY.
AND WE'RE FINE WITH THOSE BEING A GUIDE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE MANDATORY AGAIN, BECAUSE THE ZONING OF THIS SIZE IS, IS PUD.
BUT SURE, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT DATE.
SO WITH THIS LIKE THE OTHER ONE, I THINK, UM, LITTLE, THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE ARE OBVIOUSLY RECOMMENDATION.
UH, THIS IS, NO, THIS IS STRAIGHTFORWARD SITE PLAN, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT YOU DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE SECRET DECISION.
IS IT ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT AND DOCUMENT THAT IT'S IN CONFORMANCE? I THINK WHAT SEAN HAS TRIED TO DO AND WHAT THE APPLICANT TRIED TO DO IS PRESENT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU TO POSSIBLY EITHER DOCUMENT IT OR ANOTHER CHOICE IS ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION SAYING THAT THE CHANGES ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION AND ASK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL ASKED WOULD BE, I, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK WARRANT IT, BUT SECOND WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING GIVEN THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE RECORDS.
CHRIS, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS UNDEVELOPED? THE WHOLE THING PROPERTY? NO, I MEAN IS THERE ANYTHING AFTER THAT? IS THERE ANY OTHER UNDEVELOPED AROUND THAT YOU HAVE? NO, I THINK THE LAST MEETING WE CAN DETERMINE THIS IS THE LAST UNDEVELOPED PIECE.
THIS IS A NEW, THIS A NEW PLAN.
WELL WE'VE, WE, WE'VE GOT THE, THE AREA THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR PEOPLE INC NO, NO, LOOK AT THAT.
SO, SO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE PEOPLE INC.
IS, IS, IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
AND EVEN AFTER THAT, IF, IF THAT WERE TO GO THROUGH THE WAY THEY'RE PROPOSING IT, THERE'S STILL ANOTHER PIECE AT THE CORNER AT THE CORNER THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED.
UM, I MEAN OVER ON THIS SIDE, I THINK THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF IT.
BUT OVER ON SOUTHWESTERN I DO, THERE'S A FEW MORE PIECES.
THERE'S STUFF THAT'S, THAT'S PLANNED THAT I DON'T KNOW THIS BEEN STARTED YET TOO.
BUT YEAH, LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN L WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH PEOPLE, A UM, THERE'S THE BIG CATEGORY THAT'S THE N WHICH IS THE HAMBURG EXECUTIVE CENTER.
SOME PEOPLE COULD SAY, THERE COULD BE PORTIONS OF THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT MOST OF THAT IS THE GOLF COURSE AND THE, AND THE COUNTRY CLUB.
BUT THERE ARE LIKE THE, THE DRIVING RANGE AND OTHER STUFF.
INDEED THE SENIOR LIVING CENTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH REZONING OF PREVIOUSLY.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS IN THAT OTHER PACKET.
WELL, THE REST OF IT, I THINK ALL THE MEDICAL CENTER AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
THE STUFF ALONG SOUTHWESTERN, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE MOST OF THAT IS, IS DEVELOPED.
YOU ASKED MR. BUR THAT QUESTION YEAH.
I I I THINK AND HE SAID GENERALLY THERE'S NOTHING.
AND, AND I MEAN THERE MIGHT BE MORE
THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE IN SEA FOR ANOTHER MEDICAL BUILDING OR SO.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT I THERE'S NOT A LOT.
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ALL RIGHT.SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON DATE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR FEBRUARY 2ND.
THE FINAL ITEM, THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED REVISED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING PROCEDURALLY, SO THEY DID DRAFT INFORMATION.
THE, THE DEIS WE HAD, WE ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES, THEN THEY SUBMITTED CHANGES.
UM, WE HAVE TO VOTE TODAY, WHETHER IT'S NOT, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH WHAT WAS WRITTEN DOWN THERE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT ANSWER.
IS THAT A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THE DES? THAT'S A GREAT SUMMARY.
THE NEW SECRET LAW SAYS WHEN YOU REJECT A A DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT, YOU CAN ONLY COMMENT ON THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR AS THE INADEQUACY.
SO I'VE LISTED 'EM IN THAT MEMO I SENT, I HAVE A COPY HERE.
IT SAYS, THESE WERE THE THINGS YOU LISTED AS INADEQUACY.
WE HAVE TO SAY, DID THEY DO THOSE THINGS AND COMPLETE THE SECRET LAW? THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE.
DID THEY DO THE TAKE CARE OF THOSE INADEQUACIES INADEQUACY? THE REALLY INTERESTING THING, PROCEDURALLY THERE BE ONE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER WHO HASN'T BEEN HERE FOR ANY OF THESE PROCEEDINGS THAT WON'T VOTE ON THEM TODAY.
SO THE REST OF US MAKE FOUR IF WE DON'T AGREE, LIKE, SAY, SAY, SAY SOME PEOPLE WANNA ADOPT IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
IT'S GONNA BE ADOPTED BY DEFAULT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS IN ORDER TO NOT ADOPT IT.
UM, AND THERE'S A 30 DAY DEFAULT, RIGHT? SO BASICALLY IF YOU DON'T ACT TONIGHT, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT.
AND, AND IF, AND IF, AND IF WE GET IN AN ARGUMENT AND DECIDE WE CAN'T MAKE ANY RESOLUTIONS, WE DON'T ACT TONIGHT.
IT'S ALREADY, IT'S GONNA BE AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPTED.
UM, AND IT'S KIND INTERESTING.
I DON'T, THERE'S INDEPENDENT SITUATION.
SO, SO FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE ASKED FOR WHEN WE GOT THE FIRST DRAFT THAT THEY DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS? NOT WHETHER WE AGREE WITH HOW WELL THEY ADDRESSED IT OR IF IT WAS, OR, OR AGREE WITH THEIR ANSWERS.
DID THEY ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS IT? ANYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVEN'T? ON THE BACK OF THIS HANDOUT IS A DRAFT RESOLUTION.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S REVIEW THIS DRAFT RESOLUTION.
BASICALLY JUST SAYING YOU'RE ACCEPTED THE RESUBMITTAL, I PUT ALL THE REQUIRED THINGS IN THERE, BUT BASICALLY THE END IS YOU'RE ACCEPTING THIS DRAFT RESUBMITTAL AND YOU'RE CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING.
I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT A DIFFERENT DATE ON THE DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION WHEN, WHAT ARE OUR TIMEFRAMES ON A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, JENNIFER? THE LOSS, IF I CAN WROTE IT CORRECTLY.
AGAIN, SECRET TIMEFRAMES ARE THESE ARE DIRECTORY AND NOT MANDATORY, RIGHT? THERE'S A MINIMUM 30 DAYS, AND THEN THERE'S A TIME PERIOD AFTER YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW SOME COMMENT.
UM, TYPICALLY I'D SAY ABOUT 45 DAYS, DEPENDING UPON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT I PUT IN NEAR THE SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY, BUT YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH AND THEN ALLOW 10 DAYS AFTER THAT FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 60 DAYS THEN I GUESS IF YOU WEREN'T THAT FAR, BUT, SO IT'D BE 30 DAYS FOR THE COMMENT PERIOD, AND THEN 10 DAYS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE, SO WE CAN'T HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE 30 DAYS WAIT.
AND, AND WHEN DOES THAT 30 DAY CLOCK START WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE DEIS OR WHEN WE MAKE THE DECISION TO ADOPT IT? I THINK THE DECISION DECISION TONIGHT, TONIGHT, 30 MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS OF COMMENT PERIOD WITHIN THAT COMMENT PERIOD OR AFTER IT'S UPON, IT STARTS UPON, OKAY.
I GET THE COMPLETION OF THE DRAFT DEIS.
SO THAT WOULD BE TONIGHT IF YOU, IF YOU ISSUE THIS TONIGHT, SARAH, SO WE HAVE THE MINIMUM COMMENT AND WE CAN HAVE THE HEARING ANYTIME IN THAT COMMENT PERIOD.
I, I JUST HAVE MEMO ON THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.
I SHOULD GET IT OUT FOR MYSELF.
SO WE AMENDED THE SECRET LAW YEARS AGO.
THIS WAS A LONG AND HARD DISCUSSION THAT SECRET TIMEFRAMES TEND
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TO DRAG PROJECTS OUT FOREVER.AND WE TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO REGIMENTED, UH, DEFAULT TIMEFRAMES.
SO THEY GIVE MINIMUM TIMES A LOT OF TIMES, BUT NOT MAXIMUM TIMES.
WE SHOULD BE REASONABLE AT OUR TIME.
SO YOUR MARCH 2ND MEETING WOULD BE JUST ABOUT SHY OF 45 DAYS.
AND THEN YOU WOULD BE 10 DAYS AFTER THAT AS WELL TOO.
AND I MEAN, THE BIG PROBLEM WITH, UH, THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY IS THAT'S WHEN ALL OF OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS ARE ON BREAK AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN.
DID WE ALL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, OR THE FOUR OF US ANYWAY, THE, THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION? ANY ISSUES WITH IT? OR SHOULD WE JUST, I GUESS BEFORE I DO THAT, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE HE IS OKAY WITH THE TIME.
PLEASE, BEFORE I GET INTO THE, THE RESOLUTIONS WE WERE GONNA MAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING MARCH 2ND.
IT, DOES THE APPLICANT AGREE THAT THAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME? I THINK WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT TO MAKE SURE WE OKAY.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION SINCE I WROTE THE LAW.
SO, SO, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SECOND AND THEN 10 DAYS AFTER THAT OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
SO THE, THE COMMENT PERIOD WOULD THEN CLOSE ON THE 13TH OF MARCH.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS 16TH, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHANGING, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO THE 16TH BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE CORRECT.
SCHOOLS ARE DOWN AND PEOPLE COULD BE OUT OF TOWN.
DOLLAR GENERAL RESOLUTION EXCEPT DEIS AS COMPLETE JANUARY 19TH, 2022.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM THE BROADWAY GROUP LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AND RELATED ACCESSORY USES ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND ITS INTERSECTION WITH LTZ ROAD.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD INITIATED A SECRET COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION AND ESTABLISHED THE PLANNING BOARD AS THE LEAD AGENCY.
WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A DOLLAR GENERAL MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THEREFORE ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AND MADE THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AVAILABLE AND CONDUCTED A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING ON THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AT THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL 6 1 0 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK AT 6:00 PM ON JUNE 2ND, 2021, AND ISSUED A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT DATED JUNE 16TH, 2021.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A-D-E-I-S ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2021, AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE DEIS AGAINST THE FINAL WRITTEN SCOPE AND DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS WAS INCOMPLETE IDENTIFYING THOSE DEFICIENCIES.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN AMENDED DEIS ON DECEMBER 24TH, 2021, AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE AMENDED DEIS AGAINST
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THE DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS IS COMPLETE FOR PUBLIC AND AGENCY REVIEW.NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PER SECTION 6 1 7 0.9 OF SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS SUBMITTED FOR THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT IS ADEQUATE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND AUTHORIZED PREPARATION AND FILING OF THE APPROPRIATE NOTICES AND MAILINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.12 OF SECRET BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT AND THE DEIS BE HELD ON MARCH 2ND, 2022 AT 7:00 PM AND THAT NOTICES FOR SUCH HEARING BE ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.12 OF SEEKER MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
CAN I HAVE JUST TWO MINUTES EXPLAIN WHERE WE GO FROM HERE? SURE.
ONCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE THE COMMENTS ALL IN AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT MARCH, YOU'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHICH COMMENTS ARE SUBSTANTIVE.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IF SOMEONE SAYS, WELL I THINK THIS IS GONNA, THE SKY IS BLUE OR THE SKY'S NOT BLUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT.
IT'S NOT, YOU DETERMINE WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE.
SO IT'S USUALLY PUBLIC COMMENT, THE AGENCY COMMENTS THEY SHOULD RESPOND TO.
WE TYPICALLY JUST LET THE APPLICANT KNOW, ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO DO A DRAFT OF THE FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT, THE BEST THEY HAVE, THE MOST RESOURCES, ET CETERA, TO PUT THAT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
YOU SEE WHAT IS DIFFERENT THOUGH IS THAT THEY WILL THEN PROVIDE THE WORD DOCUMENT OF THAT DOCUMENT TO THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
FS MUST AGREE WITH THE DECISIONS AND STUFF IN THAT.
THAT'S YOU MAY YOU HAVE THE, UH, IF YOU DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE WITH ONE OF THE ANSWERS, YOU CAN GO OUT AND HIRE YOUR OWN CONSULTANT OR OWN EXPERT.
SOMETHING TO SAY, HEY, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
YOU MUST AGREE WITH WHAT DIFFERENT THAN THE DEIS REPRESENTS THE APPLICANT'S OPINION.
THE FBIS MUST REPRESENT YOUR OPINION.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT AND ISSUE THAT FBI, THEN WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ISSUE FINDINGS BASED UPON THE DEIS AND FBIS AND EVERYTHING RECEIVED.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS WHICH FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR MOVING FORWARD.
THEN THEY MOVE FORWARD SITE PLAN.
IF YOU MAKE A NEGATIVE FINDINGS, THE PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK, YOU'RE GONNA TO REVIEW THAT DEIS NOW YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE YOUR OWN COMMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA GET COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE GONNA GET COMMENTS, COMMENTS FROM AGENCIES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED TO THE FBIS AND HOW WILL IT BE ANSWERED? SO, OKAY.
TRUE INTERRUPT 45 DAYS AFTER THE HEARING, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? THE FILE EIS BE SUBMITTED FOR 45 DAYS AFTER THE HEARING.
WELL IT IS, IT IS DIRECTORY AND NOT MANDATORY.
WE TRY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND HIRE AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT, IT MAY TAKE LONGER.
THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS ADVISE, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS TELL YOU DIFFERENT THINGS.
I LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT DO HELP WITH THE FDIS BECAUSE IT'LL GO A LOT QUICKER IF YOU DUMP THAT ON THE TOWN, WHICH SOME APPLICANTS HAVE DONE THAT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
IT TAKES THEM ONCE AND MONTHS TO GET PEOPLE ON BOARD AND HIRE PEOPLE AND PUT THAT TOGETHER.
SO WE'LL TRUST YOU'LL DO A GOOD JOB, BUT THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT AND HOPEFULLY COME CLOSE TO THAT TIMEFRAME OF 45 DAYS.
UH, THEN WE HAVE TO MA WAIT A MINIMUM, I BELIEVE THE LAW IS 10 DAYS AFTER THE FBIS ACCEPTED TO ISSUE FIND ISSUE FINDINGS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING ON AN FBIS.
THERE'S NO, BUT IT AFFORDS OTHER AGENCIES THE TIME PERIOD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THEY AGREE.
IF THEY HAD A COMMENT AND THEY DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE FBIS, WE WANNA RESOLVE THAT.
BECAUSE IF WE HAVEN'T DONE CORRECTLY BY THAT OTHER AGENCY, THEY MIGHT NOT ISSUE THEIR APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME'S ABOUT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT FINDINGS IS IMPORTANT, THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANOTHER AGENCY ISSUING, IF YOU ISSUE A POSITIVE FINDING, THEY ISSUE A NEGATIVE FINDINGS.
ALL APPROVAL AGENCIES MUST ISSUE THEIR OWN FINDINGS.
SO IT IS AN INTERESTING BALANCE PROCESS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE IN FOR.
AND YOU HAVE TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE POSITIVE DECK.
THE, THE BIG PART'S GONNA BE ONCE THAT PUBLIC HEARING HAS HAS, AND THE A AND THEIR COMMENTS ARE IN, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHERE A SUBSTANTIVE AND GIVE DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT AND HOW YOU'RE ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
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QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WANNA SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I THINK HOW YOU, HOW YOU HAVE TO TRY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING THEIR, YOUR WORK FOR 'EM.
SO THEY'RE DOING YOUR WORK, UH, TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS AND DETERMINING HOW THEIR ANSWER IS A DIFFICULT STEP ALSO.
AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT DRAFT OF THE FINAL.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE PERFECTLY GLAD TO DO THAT.
I'VE WORKED ON PROJECTS WHERE, NOPE, IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, YOU'LL WAIT THE NEXT SIX TO 12 MONTHS FOR THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'LL TAKE THEM THAT LONG.
ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE THAT BACK IN MARCH 2ND.
YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY CHANGED THE RESOLUTION TO MARCH 2ND.
SO I GUESS MOST OF YOU'LL BE BACK ON THE SECOND FOR THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL SEE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOTE ON, BUT OH, NEED FOUR.
HE YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR WE FOUR VOTES TO ADOPT IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR PEOPLE AND DOUG CAN'T VOTE.
SO WE DON'T, SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO ADOPT THE MINUTES, BUT I CAN, YES, WE CAN DO THIS.