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ARE WATCHING FROM TOO, PLEASE.OKAY EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE GROUNDHOG DAY EDITION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING, COORDINATING ONE.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST THING, PROBABLY NOT GONNA MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY.
I'M GONNA MOVE THE ORDER AROUND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL WEATHER ISSUES.
SO NUMBER FIVE I WAS GONNA DO LAST ASKED, UM, THE REASON IS IT'S A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON A SKETCH PLAN.
SO IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CUT SHORT, SINCE WE USUALLY DON'T EVEN DO THOSE, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE.
AND JUST A REMINDER, BECAUSE WE DID GET A LOT OF EMAILS ON THIS, UH, THE REQUEST WAS THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED TO WEIGH IN BEFORE THE SKETCH WAS FINALIZED.
UM, AND THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN WAS WHEN THE SKETCH IS FINALIZED, CHANGES MADE TO THE SKETCHES AFTER THAT ARE HARDER THAN BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE GOT ARE COMMENTS THAT RELATE MORE TOWARDS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UH, HEARING.
THE EXAMPLE I WANT TO GIVE IS, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THAT THE PROJECT IS VERY CLOSE TO RAILROAD TRACKS AND THAT'S DANGEROUS.
NOW, IN A REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'D SAY IT'S DANGEROUS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS SHOULD BE BILLED.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SKETCH PLAN, YOU'D SAY IT'S DANGEROUS.
I THINK THEY SHOULD DO BILL DEFENSE OR MOVE THE PROJECTS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT LESS DANGEROUS.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF COMMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY ON THAT PROJECT IS COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD CHANGE TO THE DESIGN BEFORE THEY FINALIZE THE DESIGN AS OPPOSED TO GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT.
AND THE REASON I'M TELLING YOU THAT AND MOVING IT TO THE END.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA GET TOGETHER AND WORK OUT HOW YOU WANNA PRESENT THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT, YOU COULD TAKE A ROOM UPSTAIRS, IT'LL BE A LITTLE, LITTLE WHILE TILL WE GET TO IT.
UH, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE AND PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKESHORE ROAD AND BIG TREE.
SO WE HAD, THEY MADE SOME CHANGES LAST TIME WE GOT, WE GOT THE PICTURES.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, THANK YOU.
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE YOU, BILL, SO I CAN'T SEE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE THE NOTICE? DOUG DOES.
WANNA READ IT PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THIS IS WHICH ONE? SITE PLAN, RIGHT? DOLLAR GENERAL DOLLAR.
WELL, DOLLAR GENERAL'S GOT, UH, FEW THINGS.
ALRIGHT, YOU READ IT? WANT ME READ IT? YEP.
LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD SITE PLANNING APPROVAL, PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.
PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT TO HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PROPOSAL BY THE BROADWAY GROUP TO SUBDIVIDE A VACANT PARCEL LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKESHORE ROAD AND BIG TREE ROAD AND CONSTRUCT A DOLLAR GENERAL STORE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF
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I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE CORNER, LAKE SHORE AND BIG TREE.DOES ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? ALRIGHT, FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE THAT SPEAK ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT? UH, THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? UH, ANYONE ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL BEING NO COMMENTS? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I MEAN, I JUST, I DID WANNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN THE DESIGN AND THESE, THESE ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE, BUT I THINK FOR THIS AREA IN THIS LOCATION AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT THE CHANGES FROM BROADWAY GROUP ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAD AND ANYBODY I'VE SHOWN THIS PICTURE TO, THEY, THEY LIKE HOW IT'S UNIQUE AND MATCHES THE WATER TOWER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD BEFORE WE MOVED ON.
UM, ACCORDING TO MY NOTES, WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED PART TWO OF THE EAF FOR THIS AND WE STILL HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THE SUBDIVISION? UM, I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT IF WE HAVE TIME.
UM, YES AND I KNOW THAT TIME IS AT THE ESSENCE, THE POTENTIAL BAD WEATHER COMING IN.
WE, UM, RECEIPT OF THE MEMO THAT DREW WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PREPARE TO HELP CLARIFY THINGS FOR ME.
UM, AS I WAS VERY CONFUSED AT THE LAST MEETING WE DID HAVE AND WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND BEFORE WE FORMULATE A FORMAL LIKE RESPONSE FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME THINGS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAD EXPLAINED TO THE PLANNING BOARD MAYBE VERY CLEARLY OF WHY THIS PARCEL IS EVEN BEING SUBDIVIDED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, WE HAVE NO CURRENT INTENTIONS, NO EVEN CONCEPTUAL INTENTIONS OF DEVELOPING THIS LOT INTO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A CLIENT, AS YOU KNOW, THAT IS DOLLAR GENERAL AND THEY CONTRACT US TO DEVELOP SITES FOR THEM AND WE HAVE SURPLUS LAND THAT THEY DON'T NEED FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO WORK.
SO THAT IS THE MAIN REASON THAT HAS PROMPTED US TO REQUEST THE SUBDIVISION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, WHEN WE WORK WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL CORPORATION, WE DEVELOP A BUDGET AND ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT'S REALLY OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO YOU, I HOPE THAT IT WILL HELP JUST EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT IN OUR REQUEST TO SUBDIVIDE THIS OR CREATE MORE CHALLENGES FOR THE TOWN.
IN CONSIDERING IT, IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO WE HAVE PROPOSED A BUDGET TO DOLLAR GENERAL.
WE WERE ABLE TO MORE EASILY MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DIVIDE UP THE LAND COST.
AND SO WHEN DOLLAR GENERAL TAKES CONTROL OF THEIR PORTION OF THE LOT, ASSUMING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET APPROVALS AND PERMITS, UM, THAT SECOND LOT IS JUST SURPLUS LAND.
SO THERE'S NO CURRENT OR DEFINITE FUTURE PLANS TO DEVELOP IT.
IF IT IS ALLOWED TO BE SUBDIVIDED, THEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT COULD MEAN FOR THAT PARCEL.
WE MAY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO BUY IT.
WE, THE BROADWAY GROUP HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF ANYTHING TO DEVELOP ON THIS LOT.
WE HAVE NO CLIENT THAT IS ASKING US TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE LOT.
DOLLAR GENERAL HAS NO USE NECESSARILY AT ALL FOR THIS LOT.
SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I WANTED TO JUST WEIGH WITH YOU THAT THE SEEKER HANDBOOK PROVIDES A FEW CIRCUMSTANCES, SOME VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A SEGMENTED REVIEW MAY BE JUSTIFIED.
AND THAT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AS THE LEAD AGENCY TO DETERMINE IF, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION OR, UM, IF YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN MY EXPLANATION, I GUESS, TO LET THESE THREE ITEMS BASICALLY ALLOW A SEGMENTED REVIEW.
SO ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE INFORMATION ON FUTURE PROJECT BASIS IS SPECULATIVE.
AS I SAID, WE HAVE, I COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHAT EVEN TO TRY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BUILDING MIGHT LOOK LIKE 'CAUSE THERE'S NO BUILDING TO TALK ABOUT OR A DRIVEWAY LOCATION OR A TRAFFIC QUANTITY OR A UTILITY SUITE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PLACED THERE.UM, WE, THE FUTURE PHASES MAY NOT OCCUR BECAUSE THERE'S NO PHASE TO TALK ABOUT.
WE JUST SIMPLY, WE WANNA CHOP OFF THIS EXTRA LAND AND NOT TIED INTO OUR DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT.
UM, AND THE FUTURE PAY PHASES ARE FUNCTIONALLY INDEPENDENT.
SO AS I SAID, DOLLAR GENERAL HAS NO USE OR NO PLANS AT ALL FOR THIS PARTICULAR SURPLUS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M ASKING MAYBE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS RARELY CONSIDERED.
I'M NOT THE FOREMOST EXPERT ON THE SEEKER MATTERS OF LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BY ANY MEANS THAT YOU HAVE ONE, HE IS HERE AND I KNOW THAT YOU'LL WANNA DEFER TO HIS GUIDANCE ON THIS SUBJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF, BASED OFF, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE MAYBE I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHY WE'RE EVEN AT THIS POINT.
AND IF THAT CHANGES ANYBODY'S VIEWS AT ALL.
IF YOU STILL FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE SEGMENTING THE SEEKER REVIEW, THEN BETWEEN NOW AND MY NEXT MEETING WITH YOU, I NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT CAN STILL WORK.
SEE IF WE CAN SOMEHOW PULL IT ALL BACK TOGETHER AND MAKE IT FEASIBLE, WHICH WE ARE HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO DO.
SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE'RE WE WANNA WORK WITH THE TOWN, WE WANNA FOLLOW THE RULES.
UM, BUT IF MY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND EXPLANATION AT ALL CHANGES ANYTHING, UM, AND I THINK THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY STILL DO A SEGMENTED REVIEW, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF YOUR SIGNIFICANCE DETERMINATION WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE SEEKER.
SO I DON'T WANNA GET TO THAT POINT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SAY, OH, THIS IS STILL A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR US.
NOW I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU OFF, YOU KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEADS TO LET KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK.
BUT IF YOU CAN, IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL TO ME, UM, AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT WEEK, I'LL JUST KNOW THIS IS A NON-STARTER, TARA, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN DO THE PROJECT WITHOUT SUBDIVIDING IT.
AND IF THAT'S THE TRUE STANCE OF THE TOWN AND THE THE PLANNING BOARD, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT THIS E EVENING IS POSSIBLE.
I I CAN SAY FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT, THAT I'M A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING, IF, IF, IF THE SUBDIVISION WAS OFF THE TABLE, I, I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER RESOLUTIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PART TWO, SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EARLY FOR THAT.
FOR, FOR ME, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THE, THE SUBDIVISION IS, IS THE THING THAT'S THE MOST CONCERNING RIGHT NOW.
AND YEAH, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT DOLLAR GENERAL DOESN'T WANT IT.
THEY WANNA PUT IT ONTO THE TOWN, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? SO I'M DEFINITELY NOT GONNA VOTE TO SUBDIVIDE THAT.
I'LL BE RIGHT UP FRONT WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, AND, AND DREW, AS FAR AS THE THE SEGMENTED REVIEW YOU WANT, GIVE US A BRIEF IT IT IS, YOU, YOU VERY ELOQUENTLY SAID IT, IT IS YOUR DECISION.
YOU WEIGH AND BALANCE THE CRITERIA.
SEGMENTATION IS CONTRARY TO SEEKER.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEGMENT IT.
IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANNA SEGMENT IT REVIEW, YOU HAVE TO ON THE RECORD STATE WHY YOU ARE SEGMENTING IT.
YOU WERE OFFERED SOME OF THE REASONS WHY OUR REALLY, AND AND I ECHO YOUR, OUR CONCERN BEYOND THE SEEKER ISSUE IS WE'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM OVER THE YEARS.
IF YOU AS A PLANNING BOARD APPROVE A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, THEY SELL THAT LOT, THAT THAT DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WE SAY REALLY CAN'T DO THIS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND REALLY NOT A BUILDABLE LOT OF SOME SORT OR, OR WE NEED CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS OR WHATEVER, THEN WE'RE KIND OF STUCK.
THEY'RE GONNA BLAME US FOR WHY DID WE APPROVE A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION LOT WHEN YOU NOW TELLING ME THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN BUILD THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THROUGH THAT SEEKER.
I WAS HOPING TO AT LEAST SHOW THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS BUILDABLE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME CONDITIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW WE DO A LOTS IN THE SITE PLAN LAW, CROSS ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT IN A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH AN ENTRANCE ONTO THE ROAD.
MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT THEY HAVE A JOINT JOINT ACCESS OR WHATEVER.
IN PARTICULAR THOUGH, THE JOINT ACCESS IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE WEAPONS.
THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, SO AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED INFORMATION.
IT'S GOOD INFORMATION, IT'S A DECISION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE.
AND IF WE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF WE SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEGMENT THE REVIEW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE HOW MUCH INFORMATION WE NEED.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NEED A BUILDING DESIGN, WE NEED SOME IDEA OF BUILDABLE AREA AND THAT SHOW THAT IT'S BUILDABLE AREA SO THAT WE APPROVE A COMMERCIAL LOT.
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WE HAVE THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.WELL, SHE HAS KIND OF A LAYOUT.
IF WE COULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE BUILDABLE AREA, THIS THE TRAFFIC THING.
DO WE NEED CROSS ACCESS? DO WE NEED A SHARED DRIVEWAY? UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WOULD BE RAISED? SO AGAIN, THINK ABOUT THAT.
I I THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT, BUT AS A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
YOU'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TONIGHT.
I THINK WHAT THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED? AND IF, IF, IF THE SUBDIVISION OF BILL SET IS A BIG IMPORTANT THING TO YOU GUYS AND WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON IT, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RECONSIDER THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A FULL DESIGN, BUT WE MAY NEED LESS INFORMATION IF WE FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOT IN THE TOWN.
HAVE, WE'VE BEEN STUCK IN THE PAST WITH THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DELINEATION FROM THE ARMY COURT YET, DO WE? IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE QUESTIONS OF THE DELINEATION FROM THE ARMY CORPS WERE DOWN THE DELINEATION IS STILL PENDING REVIEW BY THE ARMY COURT.
AND SO THE DELINEATION IS ON THE WHOLE PARCEL ON THE DEVELOP ONLY THE, IT'S ONLY ON THE DEVELOP.
SO IT'LL YOU DISTURB OR DEVELOP.
WE WOULD STILL KIND OF LEAVE THE QUESTION OF THE WETLANDS.
IF THE PARCEL IS SUBDIVIDED ON, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WETLANDS ON THE OTHER SIDE IS BOTH
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THIS AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL BUILDABLE AREA ON THE WETLANDS ON THIS SITE WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO GET THE DELINEATION ON THE, THE ONE PART THAT DELINEATION MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE UNTIL THE SPRING.
UM, THE ARMY CORPS WILL WANNA MAKE A SITE VISIT.
AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHEN THEY CAN DO IT IS WHEN THE GROUND FALLS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THE REFERENCE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEY HAVE A DELINEATION DONE ON THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION AND THAT JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION IS LIMITED TO THE PROPOSED PARCEL? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE QUESTION RAISED BY DENNIS WAS THE OTHER EXAMPLE.
WE'D HAD A PROBLEM WHERE WE SPLIT A LOT LIKE THIS, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOT.
IT, IT, IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE UNBUILDABLE LOT.
THEN THEY BASICALLY STOP PAYING TAXES ON IT AND THE TOWN ENDS UP OWNING THE PIECE OF LAND.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAD TO DO OUR JOB AND THEN WE SPLIT PROPERTY, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILDABLE LOTS, THAT SOMEONE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING ON THAT LOT BEFORE.
AND I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY OR DEVELOP IT YOURSELF.
THAT'S PART OF THE ECONOMICS OF THAT.
SO WE UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS IT, BUT IT'S A DECISION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IN AN UPCOMING MEETING OR, OR LATER IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE USING HOW YOU WANT TO TREAT THAT SUBDIVISION.
IT NEEDS HAVE SEEKER DONE ON IT.
SO WE DO SEEKER NOW ON THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN ON THE SITE PLAN, RIGHT? IF ANOTHER ENTITY OR BROADWAY GROUP COMES BACK THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND WANTS TO DEVELOP THE BILLABLE LOT THAT'S NOT PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT, DO WE THEN AGAIN, COMPLETE SEEKER FOR THAT SITE PLAN AND THAT PROPOSED ACTION? OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE COVERED UNDER WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? THERE THERE'S WHERE I WOULD DO SOMETHING THAT I VERY RARELY DO IS IT'S FR ON YOU CAN DO A CONDITION NECK DECK AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS COULD BE THAT IT'S UNUSUAL THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE CONTINUED, UH, SEEKER EVALUATION.
BUT IN BUYING THE PROPERTY, I STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION.
SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, CAITLIN.
I MEAN DEFINITELY WE WOULD WANT TO PRESERVE OUR RIGHT TO DO SEEKER ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE.
SO OUR, OUR DECISION WOULD BE SEEKER EGG DECK ON THE, ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL AND THE SUBDIVISION TO CREATE A BUILDING LOT, NO BUILDING ON IT.
SO ANY FUTURE ACTION WILL REQUIRE ITS OWN SECRET.
BUT AGAIN, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A LOT, JUST CREATING A PROBLEM FOR THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH CROSS ACCESS, I MEAN IT'S IN OUR CODE, WE REALLY WANT TO PUSH THAT.
THAT COULD BE AN AREA THAT MAKES SENSE AND MAYBE THEY WOULD OFFER, HEY, WE WILL, WE WILL, AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL, WE'LL OFFER A CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT THAT SOMEONE FUTURE DEVELOPED IT.
WE CAN HAVE CROSS ACCESS OR SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UH, SHARED DRIVEWAY IS ANOTHER ONE.
SOMETIMES WE GET INTO NOT OTHER WORDS, THE BEST ONE.
WE DID OFFER THAT I THINK AT A PRIOR MEETING, UM, AND THE PLANNING BOARD JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WAS AS, UM, PREFERABLE.
BUT IT'S, I THINK THAT YOUR FEEDBACK TO ME HAS BEEN LOUD AND CLEAR AND THAT REALLY IS THAT YOU HIGHLY PREFER US NOT TO SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT.
AND SO I THINK, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION VERY CLEARLY AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WEEK AND BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A RESPONSE FOR YOU TO PUT IN THE FILE SO THAT YOU KNOW, UM, OUR INTENTIONS.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTIONS WILL TRY OUR BEST.
WHATEVER MEANS I HAVE TO JUST NOT SUBDIVIDE THE LOT BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANT THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.
AND I CAN SEE THAT THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR YOU.
YEAH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR, TO GO FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TAKE SOME MORE
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OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE I'M HERE THAT I CAN HELP WITH? RIGHT.
SO, WE'LL, WE'RE BACK ON FOR TWO WEEKS.
YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR TWO WEEKS AND AT THAT MEETING WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PART TWO.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET IN THIS PROJECT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DOLLAR GENERAL SECOND TO FEBRUARY 16TH, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS, FORMERLY SCHMITZ GARAGE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING AT 3 9 6 8 LEGION DRIVE.
SO THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION ON THE AUTO PLACE.
UM, THEY GOT A VARIANCE, WHICH WAS IN SOME WAYS THE BIGGER QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, BEFORE WE, I THINK EVERYBODY GOT THE RESOLUTIONS.
I THINK THE ONLY THING LEFT TO THINK ABOUT IS SIDEWALKS.
WHEN THEY WERE HERE, WE ASKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
THEY SAID THERE WERE SIDEWALKS ON THE FRONT.
THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT GO ALONG CAMP ROAD AND CURVE AROUND TO A CROSSWALK.
UH, SO WE CAN, BUT THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS AROUND THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO WE CAN WAVE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY PARTIALLY EXIST OR WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT ELSE TO DO.
WHAT, WHAT DOES ANYBODY THINK ABOUT THAT? HAVE YOU ALL BEEN OUT THERE? ARE Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT CAMP? THEY COME AROUND FRONT AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT EITHER SIDE OF, UM, CORRECT REGION AT ALL HEADING AND THERE NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THERE'S DEFINITELY A WEIRD GAP.
AND THEN, AND I, I GUESS I'LL SAY A NEED FOR SIDEWALKS I THINK IN THAT AREA BECAUSE I GUESS FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I RAN A ROUTE, WHEN I WAS DOING THE, THE TRICKY TROT REMOTE I RAN PAST THERE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHUNK WHERE YOU HAVE TO RUN ON THE ROAD BETWEEN CAMP AND THE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR KIDS WALKING FROM HIGH SCHOOL FOR OTHER PEOPLE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER TO BE OUT IN THAT AREA.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN GET SOME SIDEWALKS SOMEWHERE IN THIS REGION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY AN AREA FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
SO THAT'S ON LEGION, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S THE ROAD.
THAT'S THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM CAMP TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THEY, THEY STOPPED LIKE AT THE EDGE OF THE END OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THERE'S LIKE THE ORTHODONTIC? NO, NO.
I MEAN ON THIS PARTICULAR, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AT ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO YOU GET TO THE REC FIELDS? NO, NO.
I MEAN ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY THERE IN THE, YEAH, WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO, DO SIDEWALKS ALL DOWN LEGION.
UM, THINGS ARE UP CROSSWALKS NOT ON PICTURE HERE.
THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY STOP SO THEY DOWN ON THE CORNER, THE, THERE'S A GAP THAT CORNER THERE.
RIGHT? BUT ALL WE CAN ADDRESS IS WHAT'S ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES.
THEY'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE MELU COMES IN THE LEGION.
THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
I THINK BECAUSE MELU THAT SIDE IS PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACCESS BACK THERE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST LEGION.
RIGHT? I WONDER IF MAYBE THE THOUGHT WAS YOU COME DOWN CAMP ROAD HEADING SOUTH AND THEN YOU CROSS THE CROSSWALK AND YOU'RE AT A SIDEWALK THAT TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, I MEAN WE HAVE A FEW OPTIONS.
WE CAN SAY, HOWEVER IT IS NOW IS FINE.
WE CAN SAY THEY SHOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT LOOP AROUND OR WE CAN SAY THE SIDEWALK SHOULD
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GO FROM THE CROSSWALK TO THE DRIVEWAY, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS.WHAT, UH, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT? ANY ANY OPINIONS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THAT? DENNIS, UH, WASN'T PART OF THE, UH, THE LAST SELECTION BASED ON, UH, CONNECTABILITY.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD START HERE AND USE THAT, UH, TO CONNECT THAT AREA WITH THE, WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO, I THINK WHAT DO WE SUGGEST TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT SIDEWALKS ALONG LEGION? THE ONLY ISSUE I'M THINKING THOUGH IS IF YOU PUT SIDEWALKS ON THEIR SIDE, NOW THEY GET TO THE DOWN TO
WHEREAS IF, IF THEY JUST COME DOWN CAMP ROAD AND WHERE IT ENDS, THEY TAKE THE CROSSWALK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF LEGION, NOW THEY CAN SAFELY WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK DOWN TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL.
OTHERWISE, WELL THE SIDEWALK ENDS.
IT MAY EITHER WAY, RIGHT? BUT AT LEAST BE ON THE RIGHT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE FAVOR OF HAVING SIDEWALKS ON THE AUTO SIDE ALONG LEGION AS WELL.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SO, SO ALL OF LEGION OR BETWEEN THE CURRENT SIDEWALK AND THE DRIVEWAY, THE WHOLE WAY FROM THE CURRENT SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO MAY LOU.
AND WHAT ABOUT ON MAY LOU? YEAH, I DON'T THINK MAY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THAT'S INDUSTRIAL BACK THERE.
WHAT'S ROAD SIDEWALK? UM, SHE WANTS ONE IN ADDITION TO ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IT WOULD BE JUST ON LEGION, RIGHT? I MOVE TOO FAR AS, AS I LOOK AT IT, WE'RE LOOK AT IT TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING OUT.
IF IT STOPS, IT'S LIKE, WHICH, WHICH CAITLYN'S PAYING AS A GIFT.
WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE? WHERE WOULD THE SIDEWALK TAKE YOU? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAIN, THERE'S A YEAH, BUT THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE.
WHERE DOES THAT SIDEWALK TAKE YOU? NOW? WHICH SIDE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ON THE, THE THE GARAGE SIDE.
THAT SIDEWALK COMES DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE FOOTBALL FIELD, RIGHT? OR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND IT, IT, IT'S A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD PLANS TO CONTINUE THAT OR NOT TO GO WHERE, TO GO TO MALO.
BUT LET'S, LET'S KIND OF PUT THAT BARBARA, LET'S PUT THE HIGH SCHOOL STUFF ASIDE BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE SCHMID'S BUILD A SIDEWALK TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE LOT THAT THAT THEY'RE ON.
WHERE, WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU WERE ADD A SIDEWALK, UM, LIKE CAITLYN'S SAYING TO THE LEGION SIDE, RIGHT? WE KIND OF END UP AT THE POINT THIS PENINSULA AND GO WHERE YOU CAN'T CROSS EITHER OF THOSE ROADS.
SO WHAT DO, LIKE, I I'M ALL FOR MORE SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE ROAD TO WALK ON, BUT YOU JUST KIND OF END UP AT THE POINT OF THE PENINSULA AND RED ONE, THERE'S NO CROSSWALK, THERE'S NO OTHER SIDEWALK.
BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, WELL, I THINK THERE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS THAT DON'T CONNECT.
AND THERE'S CLEARLY AN INTENT BECAUSE THERE'S SIDEWALKS GOING ON LEGION UP TO WHERE THE ROAD ACCESS IS FOR THE BUSES, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE AND SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THERE'S A GAP WHERE THERE HASN'T BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE, THE ENTITIES OWNING THOSE PROPERTIES TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
AND MY VOTE WOULD BE TO REQUIRE SIDEWALKS ON LEGION BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO INTERCONNECT ALL OF IT.
AND IF WE DON'T BUILD IT WHEN WE HAVE THE CHANCE, THE NEXT TIME SOMEBODY COMES, IT'LL BE, WELL, WE DIDN'T DO IT, SO THEN WE WON'T DO IT AGAIN.
BUT LIKE MARGO SAID THOUGH, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT PENINSULA, YOU CAN'T CROSS BALU OR LEGION AT THAT POINT.
YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T CROSS LEGION.
'CAUSE THE STOPLIGHT, THE CARS ARE ALWAYS PACKED UP.
SO EVEN IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LEGION, SOME THERE OTHER SIDE OF, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A CROSSWALK ACROSS BAY.
PEOPLE CONTINUE, BUT WE CAN'T, I MEAN, I, THE REALITY IS, IS PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING IT.
PEOPLE ARE, DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE WALKING ALONG THERE, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW.
SO THE NOWHERE BEGINS HERE UP ON CAMP ROAD WHERE IT MEETS LEGION DRIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE, IF WE EXTEND THE SIDEWALK, WE, IT WOULD BE A STEP TOWARD CONNECTABILITY.
SO EVENTUALLY YOU GO THE LEGION SIDE OF THIS PENINSULA, RIGHT? A CROSSWALK ACROSS MELU AND THEN THE SCHOOL SIDE OF LEGION DOWN TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD.
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I'M SAY NO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IN BETWEEN THERE AND THERE IS BAILEY LUMBER, RIGHT? WANT ONE, BUT WHERE'S THE LINE FOR THE VILLAGE? ANYBODY KNOW? QUESTION? IT'S NOT ON MY MAP.THAT'S STILL THE VILLAGE THERE.
IT POPS OUT FURTHER ON UP THERE.
BUT THAT'S SAFETY BOARD CHAIRMAN.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, ACTUALLY, ONE PRIORITIES BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEES IS TO TRY TO HAVE SIDEWALKS INSTALLED ON
SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO MOVING US ALONG.
AND UH, WE, WE'VE JUST SETTLED SOME OF THE TRAP, UH, UH, SPEED ZONE ISSUES THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY OR TOWN, THE VILLAGE AND THE COUNTY I'M WORKING AT THIS MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE STEP FURTHER AND MOVE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE FASTER, A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG.
SO IT IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING WITH ROUTES OF SCHOOL AND YOU ALWAYS WANT SIDEWALKS AROUND ALL YOUR, ALL YOUR SCHOOLS.
THE QUESTION HERE IS YOU GUYS IN, IN CANYON, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE, IT'S A, THERE'S NO WIN SITUATION HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA BRING PEOPLE DOWN CAMP ROAD.
EITHER YOU HAVE AN EXISTING CROSSWALK THAT TAKES YOUR CROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEGION, THAT'S PROBABLY THE SIDE YOU'RE GONNA PUT SIDEWALKS ON BECAUSE IT'S A SCHOOL SIDE.
THE PROBLEM IS, AND I AGREE, WE TRY TO GET SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE.
IF WE PUT SIDEWALKS ON THE SIDE WITH THIS AUTO BLASTS FACILITY, WE'RE BRINGING 'EM DOWN TO A POINT WHERE, OKAY, WE GOT ACROSS THE STREET DOWN AND IS THAT THE SPOT WE WANT PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET.
IF I COME DOWN CAMP ROAD, OH THERE'S A SIDEWALK I WALK DOWN.
NOW I'M AT THIS INTERSECTION OF MALU AND LEGION, I'M GONNA HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD THERE OR WALK OUT THE STREET OR WHATEVER AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE'S NO REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PICK, IS IT, WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD ARE THEY GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALKS ON? SO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE PEOPLE TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, RIGHT? SO, I DON'T KNOW, THINKING BOTH SIDES OR ONE SIDE.
YOU GOT THE HIGH SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEN YOU GOT OTHER SIDE.
AND YOU GOT THE BALL FIELDS AND STUFF, PEOPLE GONNA, THE GAMES, WHATEVER.
WELL THAT'S, THIS IS SO, SO CAITLIN WANTS SIDEWALKS AND LEGION, DENNIS.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMING CAMP ROAD AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA CROSS LEGION, YOU'RE GONNA HANG AWAY.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S ALREADY WITH FOUR.
SO I'LL DO THE RESOLUTION WITH, UH, THE CONDITION OF SIDEWALKS AND LEGION.
SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED UNLESS YOU WAIT THOUGH, SO RIGHT.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE AUTO COLLISION AND GLASS PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 3 9 6 8 LEGION DRIVE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 19TH, 2022.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 C7, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
MOTION TO GRANT, CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JANUARY 28TH, 2022, TWO.
ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THREE SIDEWALKS WILL BE INSTALLED ON LEGION DRIVE.
IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
THE AGENDA IS WOODY'S ICE CREAM REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING AS AN ICE CREAM BUSINESS AT 4 4 3 8 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING, UH, ANY CHANGES OR, NOPE.
SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR THIS ONE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU WANTED, DENNIS? YEAH, I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE DRIVE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PUT IT IN THE RESOLUTION.
WE REVISIT THAT IN SEVEN MONTHS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE SUMMER TO SEE IF IT IS CREATING KIND OF A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
ALRIGHT, WHERE'S, DID JENNIFER NEVER, SHE, OH, SHE'S UP THERE ALL OKAY.
SO, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE YOU'RE VERY, VERY SMALL THERE.
UM, SO DENNIS IS, IS SAYING WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE RESOLUTION TO
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RE-LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE SEVEN MONTHS AFTER THE SUMMER IS OVER.UH, WHAT KIND OF AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE OR NOT HAVE TO DO SUCH A THING? I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY GO BACK AND, AND DO THAT AGAIN.
I THINK IF ANYTHING, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE OF A POLICING ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD IF THAT'S THE CASE.
I I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN REVISIT IT JUST FOR SAFETY ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW WEEK.
WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THIS BECOMES A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPORTED TO OTHER TOWN SERVICES AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE WITHIN THE PLANNING BOARD OF DISCRETION ANY LONGER.
WELL WE DID THAT AT TIM HORTON'S, UH, OUT ON WHITE OAK.
AND SO, AND, UH, ROUTE FIVE, UH, WE TOLD THEM IT WAS CONDITIONAL.
THEY HAD TO DO ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY IN SIX MONTHS AFTER THEY OPENED, UH, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
DID THEY EVER COME BACK? THE, THE ISSUE IS, AND IT'S GOOD, JENNIFER'S CORRECT, I CAN'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE.
THE, THE GENTLEMAN'S NOT GONNA INVEST MONEY AND SAY SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, MAY MAY TELL YOU YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
THE CONDITION CAN BE THAT YOU RE-LOOK AT IT AND THERE MAY BE OTHER STRIPING OR OTHER ISSUES, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO WITH TIM WARDENS.
THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE, WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY HIS BUSINESS AND SAY IT'S NOT A SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT.
WE CAN'T SAY, OH, I BUILD THIS, BUT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW HE MAY SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DENNIS, IS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, AGAIN, MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING PROPERLY AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH OTHER CONDITIONS OF IT.
NOT TAKE AWAY HIS ABILITY TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT ARE THERE SOME OTHER CONDITIONS, HEY, IF YOU DID THIS, THIS WOULD WORK, WORK OR FLOW BETTER? JENNIFER, CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE DO THAT? JENNIFER? I I THINK YOU DREW IS CORRECT.
I THINK THERE, I WASN'T ON THE, WITH THE BOARD AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE WITH
YEAH, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE THAT MIGHT BE, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE ANOTHER, DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE THEM COME BACK JUST TO SAY, OH, DID THIS WORK WORK OUT OR NOT? AND IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
I I THAT PART OF IT IS DEFINITELY NOT, THEY PROVIDED ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOMETHING.
I GUESS MY CONCERN THE SITE TOO IS WHAT THE ARCHITECT HAS DONE HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB PUTTING EVERYTHING IN PLACE THAT YOU COULD DO AT THIS SITE.
BUT THE SITE IS, IS TIGHT AND THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AND THERE'S TWO MAJOR CURB CUTS.
AND MY CONCERN WITH THE DRIVEWAY IS THAT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND THAT IF WE'RE LEFT WITH A PROBLEM WHERE CARS ARE STACKING OUT INTO THE ROAD, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO.
AND IT JUST BECOMES A NIGHTMARE FOR THE POLICE TO TRY AND MANAGE.
AND I GUESS THAT REMAINS MY CONCERN IS THAT DAIRY QUEEN HAS A HUGE STACKING ISSUE.
THE STARBUCKS ON CAMP AS A BIT OF A STACKING ISSUE AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
THEN THERE'S THE TIM PORTS IN THE VILLAGE AND I, I THINK THIS BUSINESS IS GONNA BE INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL AT, I HAVE REALLY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT STACKING THE, THE ENTRANCES AND EVEN HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH AT ALL ON THE SITE.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE SAME THAT BILL HAD RAISED EARLIER ON IN THE PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH FLOW MEASURES THAT ARE GONNA ADDRESS THE TOTAL POTENTIAL VALUE OF STACKING OUT INTO THE ROAD.
WELL, IF I MAY, THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I COULD PUT TO THAT IS THAT IF WE DO ELIMINATE THE DRIVE THROUGH, NOT THAT I'M PROPOSING THAT, BUT IF WE WERE TO, THERE ARE CARS THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE BECAUSE THE SITE IS STILL THE SAME SIZE.
THEY WOULD JUST NOT BE CLEARING THE LOT AS FAST IE THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN LEAVING BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOW HAVE TO PARK.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING MAYBE FIVE OR SIX CARS AT A TIME GOING THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH AND 10 OR SO CARS PARKING, YOU NOW ARE GONNA REQUIRE EVERYONE TO PARK, EVERYONE TO GET OUT, GO THROUGH THE INTERIOR LINEUPS, GET BACK TO THEIR CARS, AND THEN DECIDE TO LEAVE.
SO YOU MAY ACTUALLY BY SAYING NO DRIVE THROUGH, INCUR EVEN MORE PROBLEMS OF TRAFFIC BY SAYING THEY CAN'T ACCESS AND LEAVE QUICKLY.
YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF PARKING ON THE SITE.
I MEAN, YOU JUST MENTIONED LIKE FIVE CARS STACKING IT THAT, SO YOU HAVE 20 CARS AND SAY YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR STAFF CARS, THERE'S STILL 24 PARKING SPOTS ON THIS CORRECT.
AND, AND OUR INTENTION IS TO, I THINK LESS CONCERN BECAUSE DAIRY QUEEN STACKS OUT AND THEN THE LOT IS ALMOST EMPTY.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I MEAN, ALL THE PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME.
THERE'S THE REST OF THE, THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN OUR, OUR ENCOURAGEMENT TO OUR CUSTOMERS IS FOR PARKING AND STAYING AT THE SITE.
WE'RE PUTTING IN ENOUGH OF A, A PATIO OUTSIDE
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INDOORS, PICNIC AREAS OUT IN THE GREEN SPACE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO ENCOURAGE THE IDEA THAT THIS IS MORE OF A PLACE TO PARK AND ENJOY YOUR FAMILY AS OPPOSED TO A TIM HORTON'S OR A STARBUCKS WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE IN THE CAR ALL ORDERING FOODS, DRINKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.OUR MENU HAS NO, NO SIZE TO IT THAT IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE THOSE SORT OF, UH, MEALS.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUR INTENTION IS TO TRY AND DRAW 'EM TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE THERE, NOT JUST TO COME AND GO.
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S PROPER FOR US TO COMPARE IT TO IT.
TIM HORTON'S, I MEAN THAT'S, I APPRECIATE THAT TIM HORTON'S DRIVE THROUGH IS ITS OWN UNIQUE SITUATION WITH EVEN ITS OWN NEW YORK STATE LAWS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPARE THE STACKING TO TIM HORTON'S, BUT, YOU KNOW, DAIRY QUEEN MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY.
UM, AND AS POINTED OUT, AND DAIRY QUEEN DOES HAVE AN OUTSIDE PATIO.
AND AS POINTED OUT, YOU SAID YOURSELF, THE, THE ARCHITECT THERE SELLS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO SUPER INCREASE THE SIZE OVER OUR EXPECTATIONS AND, AND PREVIOUS HISTORY ON STACKING TO INCREASE IT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OR FIVE CARS THAT WE THOUGHT TO 7, 8, 9 CARS PLUS AN INCREASED PARKING AREA FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLANNING TO STAY MAXIMIZING THIS LOT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
PLUS WE'RE NOT A 6:00 AM BUSINESS, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN MORNING RUSH HOUR EVER IN AN ICE CREAM SHOP LIKE YOU DO WITH A TIM GORDON'S OR ANY OTHER TYPE FACILITY.
MORNING ICE CREAM, ICE CREAM'S USUALLY SERVE MOSTLY BETWEEN SIX AND NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT DURING THE WEEK AND MOST AFTERNOONS OF SATURDAY AND SUNDAY THROUGH TO THE EARLY EVENINGS.
WE DO HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL.
I THOUGHT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME WE DID.
SO THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE WAS, COULD YOU PUT A REASONABLE CONDITION ON THIS? I MEAN, OR YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT? I MEAN, I, I THINK IS THERE A REASONABLE CONDITION YOU CAN PUT, YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM BUILD IT AND THEN TEAR IT OUT, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A CONDITION THAT WE CAN PUT ON THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT EYES ON THE PARKING LOT, SO I THINK NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THE THE STRIPING AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS, IS AS GOOD AS IT'S GOING TO GET.
SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT OR NOT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WITH THIS PROJECT TO TAKE, TAKE, TAKING THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S AN EYESORE OF THE TOWN AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL BE NEW AND USEFUL AND AN EXPERIENCE FOR THE PEOPLE.
ADDITIONAL THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S A, A BIG BENEFIT.
UM, I KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT, I, I LOOKED AT, UH, NEAR MY HOUSE, THERE'S TWO SCOOPS WHERE YOU HAVE TO WALK ACROSS WHERE TRAFFIC IS COMING IN OFF OF CAMP TO GET TO THE WINDOW.
UH, DAIRY QUEEN IS STACKING ISSUES, BUT TO GET TO THE WINDOW AT DAIRY QUEEN, YOU'VE GOTTA WALK THROUGH WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH EXITS.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF ICE CREAM PLACES WHERE THERE'S SIMILAR ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC COLLIDE AND WE HAVEN'T, I MEAN, COLLIDES NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
THAT'S A BAD WORD TO USE IN THAT'S SITUATION, BUT WHERE, WHERE THEY INTERACT AND, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD MAJOR INCIDENCES THAT I'M AWARE OF, SO I JUST HAVE A ON THE AGENDA.
YOU CALL IT AS AN ICE CREAM BUSINESS.
AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A RESOLUTION REFER ANYWHERE TO A DRIVE THROUGH.
NO, BUT THE PLAN HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.
SO IF WE'RE APPROVING THE SUBMITTED PLAN AND THE SUBMITTED PLAN HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH OR, OR WE'RE VOTING ON THE SUBMITTED PLAN.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I WILL, UM, OKAY.
THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS ON HERE BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER, ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS THAT PEOPLE THINK SHOULD BE ADDED OR DELETED? I MEAN, GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EYES ON THIS PLAN, BUT GIVEN THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF REVISITING EVEN,
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EVEN SORT OF TENTATIVE FLOW MEASURES THAT MIGHT RESOLVE SOME, SOME ISSUES, I MEAN, TO, TO, TO PUT FORWARD THIS RESOLUTION AS, AS STRONGLY AS POSSIBLE.I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WISE TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT A A SIX MONTH, UH, REVISIT TO EXAMINE FLOW MEASURES WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I MEAN, GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE, THE, THE STRENGTHS OF THE PROJECT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THAT THERE'S THIS EXISTING ABANDONED BUILDING THAT WOULD BE REUSED IN, IN A POSITIVE WAY, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
IF I MAY, COULD YOU CHANGE THAT SO MUCH FROM, UH, PUTTING THE ONUS ON ME TO DO SOME TRAFFIC STUDY OF SOME SORT TO MORE OF A, IF THERE'S SOME REPORTS FROM, UH, PUBLIC AND OR THE LOCAL POLICE RELEVANT TO THAT SPACE THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC JAMMING DUE TO THE NO, PAUL GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE RESOLUTION'S GONNA BE.
IF THERE, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS, IT SEEMS ODD FOR ME TO HAVE TO THEN, RIGHT.
BUT WE, WE WOULD ASK THAT WHAT, WE WEREN'T PUTTING YOU ON THE, ON HIM.
WE'D, WE'D HAVE TRAFFIC SAFETY.
UH, HAVE LOOK AT IT AND, UH, SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE.
IF, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO THAT, UM, YEAH.
WE WOULDN'T PUT THE ONUS ON YOU.
UM, AND THEY WOULD BE, BE ABLE TO PULL POLICE REPORTS AND, AND WHATNOT.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE THERE IS IF, IF WE DO THAT AND IN SIX MONTHS WE IDENTIFY A PROBLEM, WHAT IS, IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM AT THAT TIME? UM, AT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SHUT 'EM DOWN.
WHAT COULD WE POSSIBLY DO AT THAT POINT? I MEAN, I GUESS, WHO KNOWS? MAYBE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF.
MAYBE IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF YET.
IF I HAVE THAT MANY CUSTOMERS GIVING US A HEADACHE BOTH TO THE TOWN AND TO THE BUSINESS FOR TRAFFIC JAMS PROBLEMS AND, AND OR IF NOT WORSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE ON US AS OWNERS TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT.
EITHER TO ADJUST OR CHANGE THE STACKING METHODOLOGY THERE OR TO JUST REMOVE THE DRIVE THROUGH OR CLOSE IT DOWN DURING THOSE TIMES AND ONLY HAVE IT OPEN DURING TIMES.
IT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE TO US AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO OPERATE A BUSINESS WHERE OUR CUSTOMERS WANT TO BE THERE, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOT OF CONCERN OURSELVES ON THE FACT THAT IF WE'RE SEEING THE CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW, BACKED UP TOO FAR AND HAVING TOO MANY ISSUES, WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST SORT OF SIT THERE AND TURN A BLIND EYE INTO IT BECAUSE THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AS A BUSINESS TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEE A PROBLEM NOW, OBVIOUSLY PLACES LIKE TIM HORNE, SO AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, WE CAN'T REALLY COMPARE OURSELVES TO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE PLACES JUST REALLY DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT IT.
THEY JUST, IT'S LIKE IT BACKS UP UNION ROAD.
I MEAN, I LIVE OVER IN WEST SANTA AND IT'S A NIGHTMARE THERE WITH THAT PLACE.
AND THEY HAVE LIKE 15, 20 CARS YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN THEIR PARKING LOT 'CAUSE OF THE WAY IT BACKS UP.
BUT THEIR BUSINESS IS PRIMARILY FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND, AND IT IS ALL ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WANTING THAT CUP OF COFFEE AT THE SAME TIME.
ICE CREAM JUST DOES NOT FOLLOW IN THAT SAME FOOTPRINT.
WELL, LET'S, I'LL DO THE SAME THING I DID.
SO CAN I JUST ONE, I, I MEAN MY CONCERN BILL, IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT THIS SITE IS LIMITED.
DAIRY QUEEN HAS REROUTED IN HAMBURG, THEIR DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN, HOW THEY CAN COME IN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU COME IN OFF OF LAKE THERE AND ENTER IN ON THE, THE SIDE ROAD RATHER THAN COME IN.
AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONS HERE AND, AND THAT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PEAK.
THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE ICE CREAM IN THE SUMMER, IT'S THE SAME AS THE CAR WASH AND THE STACKING.
AND I USED THAT APEX CAR WASH THE OTHER DAY AND YOU KNOW, THE GUY SAID TO ME, I NEVER THOUGHT WE'D HAVE ALL THIS STACKING, YOU KNOW, HE WAS GETTING OUT AIR FRESHENERS TO PEOPLE GOING IN.
AND I SAID, AND, AND I THANKED HIM FOR UTILIZING A STACKING APPROPRIATELY AND DIRECTING PEOPLE.
AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN'T FIX AND WE APPROVED DRIVE THROUGH.
I'M WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ENTIRE REST OF THE BUSINESS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT REUSE, A GREAT PROJECT.
I JUST AM NERVOUS THAT WE DON'T HAVE OPTIONS.
WELL HERE'S, AS I SAID BEFORE, I, I CONGRATULATE YOU.
I MEAN, USE BUILDING, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A BUSINESS.
I'M STILL HUNG UP ON THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.
I THINK THE STACKINGS GONNA BE A VERY REALLY TOUGH ON THAT SOUTH PARK FROM THE BAYVIEW BECAUSE YOU GOTTA MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE.
SAME AS WHEN YOU GO TO SOUTHWEST IN THE LEFT TURN ARE GONNA BE REALLY HAZARDOUS GETTING OUT WHEN YOU COME FROM BAYVIEW, IT'S LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD FROM YOUR, LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD FROM YOUR DRIVE THROUGH.
THAT'S AN EXIT AND ENTRANCE, CORRECT? OH YEAH, YEAH.
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ON SOUTH PARK.SO GOING LEFT OUTTA HERE TO GO UP TO TO GO SOUTH ONTO SOUTH PARK IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT.
EVEN GOING IN THE STACKING BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ARROW THAT ARE GONNA TURN ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
THOSE PEOPLE COMING FROM SOUTH PARK, COMING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THEY'RE GONNA BE STACKED IN THERE.
I, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXIT AND AN ENTRANCE.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
WELL IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REPAVE A ONE WAY STREET OF THAT BAYVIEW PIECE OF GRASS NOW AND WE CAN USE THAT FOR ALL YOUR ENTRANCE EXIT BACK STACKING THERE.
WELL, EVEN IF THEY'RE COMING FROM SOUTH PARK, I USE BAYVIEW ONLY BECAUSE IT'S, NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GRASS SECTION THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT AND TURNED INTO A GRASS FIELD.
I IT'S JUST STACK AND I, I, THE ONLY THING TO DO IS PUT CARS COMING IN THAT WAY.
I JUST, EVEN WITH OR WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH ISN'T THE PROBLEM.
YOU JUST PRESENTED THE SAME, IT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE HARD.
WELL, IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM FOR HIM TO HAVE, WHETHER YOU FULL PARKING OR DRIVE THROUGH A LEFT, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO IN.
AND YOU PARK YOUR CAR, THERE'S 24, 25 SPOTS.
YOU PARK IT, GET OUT, GET YOUR ICE CREAM, GET OUT AND THEN GO BACK.
I JUST LOOK, I, IIII I'M ENCOURAGED THE BUSINESS.
I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HOW THAT TRAFFIC IS BECAUSE I'M, I'M SO FAMILIAR WITH THAT INTERSECTION.
AND WE WENT OVER THIS LAST MEETING AND, AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD DOESN'T SHARE THE CONCERNS TO YOU THE SAME DEGREE.
AND SO, SO WE, WE DID GO OVER THAT.
WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, UH, I'M GONNA ASK LIKE WE DID WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND ASK WHO WANTS TO PUT A PROVISION FOR REVISITING IN THERE? AND THEN I WILL READ THE RESOLUTION AND I'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE SHOULD DO THAT OR NOT? I'LL START WITH, I'LL START ON THIS SIDE.
CAN WE, CAN YOU PUT A THIRD OPTION IN? THERE IS NO, I MEAN NO DRIVE THROUGH AT ALL AS TO WHERE WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OR IS THAT NOT EVEN AN OPTION FOR US? IT'S JUST YEAH, YOU'RE ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT INCLUDES DRIVE THROUGH.
NO, I MEAN IF, IF HE WANTS TO DO A PROPOSAL WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, HE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T, UH, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DENY WHAT'S PRESENTED AND IF HE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT HE COULD.
AND IF, AND IF HE WAS GOING TO CHANGE THAT, HE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEFORE.
NOW CAN I ASK A QUESTION TOO? YES.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MAYBE, AND JEN, THIS IS PART FOR YOU.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED TO ASSESS MITIGATION MEASURES OF IF THIS IS AN ISSUE, CAN YOU CHANGE THE TIME OF THE DRIVE THROUGH OR WHAT IF YOU HAD TO CLOSE THE DRIVE THROUGH? LIKE CAN THAT BE PART OF THE CONDITION THAT LIKE WE CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON TIME BUSINESS.
THOSE ARE CONDITIONS THAT I WOULD PUT UPON OURSELVES.
I WOULDN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
THE CONDITION WOULD SIMPLY BE TO LIKE ASSESS MITIGATION MEASURES.
LIKE YOU WOULD AGREE TO LIKE LOOK AT THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT OH, WE COULD, SO CAN WE DO A CONDITION THAT HE WILL ASSESS MITIGATION MEASURES? YEAH.
LIKE IF WE DO THIS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITION, IT'S A TWO PART CONDITION.
SO LIKE AT SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS OR WHATEVER SUMMER'S OVER THE TRAFFIC ADVISORY BOARD SAYS IS GONNA ASSESS THE, THE RISK AND THEN HE AS AN OWNER COULD ASSESS POTENTIAL MITIGATION MEASURES.
SO, SO WE WOULD GIVE HIM A REPORT OF THE RISK AND THEN HE WOULD ASSESS IT.
YEAH, I I THINK WE COULD DO, I THINK THE, THE, THE, IF IF THERE WAS A PROVISION ABOUT REVISITING I THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE FINE AS LONG AS WE DON'T INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REFLECT UPON BUSINESS PRACTICES OR HOURS OF OPERATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT HE DOES AS A BUSINESS OWNER IS HIS CHOICE, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T RELY ON THAT AT ALL.
I WAS JUST USING THE LANGUAGE YOU HAD AND I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I WANNA WORK WITH THE TOWN BECAUSE I WANT YOU GUYS TO ENCOURAGE US AS MUCH AS WE ENCOURAGE YOU AS A, AS A BUSINESS IN THE TOWN.
SO I MEAN, WORKING WITH TRAFFIC, IF HE WANTS TO DROP BY PERIODICALLY DURING THESE TIMES TO DO STUDIES, ASK QUESTIONS AND LOOK OVER THE SITE AND THEN COME BACK TO ME, YOU KNOW, IN SIX MONTHS AND SAY THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, I'LL BE OPEN TO THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COME FROM HIM.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO IF WE DID IT, WE WE PUT IT A LITTLE FARTHER THAN THAT.
SO DO YOU, YOU WANT A PROVISION ABOUT REVISITING OR YOU THINK THAT'S UNNECESSARY? I WOULD LIKE IT.
NO, CAITLIN, I'M UM, I GUESS I'M GONNA POST THE DRIVE THROUGH REGARDLESS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SECOND PART.
BUT EITHER WAY, UM, YEAH, SO YOU COULD, I, I GUESS IF WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOME MEASURE TO GO IN THERE, BUT OKAY, SO THAT'S A YES THEN I'M STILL STRUGGLING EVEN.
I'M STILL GONNA LIKE TO DRIVE THROUGH NO MATTER WHAT.
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THREE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THE PROVISION.TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THE DRIVE THROUGH IN GENERAL AND ONE, NO.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL, I'LL SAY WE PUT THE REVISIT IN THERE TO MAKE IT FOUR
UM, HOW I WHAT WORDS DO YOU WANT THE EXACT WORDING OR YOU WANNA WRITE IT? UM, ON THE SPOT? SURE, I CAN WRITE IT.
NO, I WAS THINKING OF, UM, ASSESS MITIGATION MEASURES WOULD BE THE ONLY
DO THEY GET YOU REGULAR EVEN THAT CHARLOTTE'S IN THE VILLAGE JUST WALK UP AND THERE'S HUMONGOUS LINES AT ALL.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE WOODY'S ICE CREAM PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES UTILIZING THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 4 4 3 8 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AS AN ICE CREAM BUSINESS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 19TH, 2022.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 C SEVEN, AND THEREFORE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
MOTION TO GRANT, CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JANUARY 28TH, 2022.
TWO, ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND SOUTH PARK AVENUE FOUR.
TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD WILL REVISIT TRAFFIC ISSUES ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2022.
AND THE OWNER WILL ASSESS MITIGATION ISSUES BASED ON THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD'S INPUT.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY MR. SHAW AND WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
I WAS POINTING TO I CAN'T SEE.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME EVERYONE.
LUCK AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE SUPER SUCCESSFUL.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BUFFALO SOLAR REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED TIER THREE SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WEST OF 6 2 8 9 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEY SENT US A MEMO.
UM, THE BIG THING ON THE MEMO WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF REPLANTING TREES, WHERE THEY KIND OF GAVE US THIS, IN MY OPINION, SURPRISINGLY, THE LOW NUMBER OF SUGGESTING 40 ADDITIONAL TREES.
UH, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS SURE.
SO, UH, WE, WE MET WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THEY GAVE US THE RECOMMENDATION LETTER.
UM, WE DID ISSUE A RESPONSE LETTER TO ALL THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE UNNECESSARY TO MOST LIKELY INCREASE OUR DRAINAGE ISSUES.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO INCREASE OUR AREA DISTURBANCE.
UM, SO WE, UH, THEY ALSO REQUEST THAT WE HAD 40 TREES.
UH, WE'VE SWITCHED FROM COLORADO SPRUCE TO, UM, WHITE SPRUCE BECAUSE THE SPACING, UH, WE'RE A LOT OF SPACING A LITTLE CLOSER TOGETHER.
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DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN, UM, MOIST UH, SOILS.THERE'S ALSO SOME SORT OF FUNGUS THING THAT'S GOING ON WITH COLORADO SPRUCE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THOSE.
THEY'RE LISTED IN THE ALLOWABLE TREES WITH THE ADVISORY.
THEY LISTED OUT A COUPLE OTHER, UM, REQUESTS TO, UM, NEVER INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE SOLAR FARM OR SOLAR PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR PUT THAT IN WRITING IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT BASED ON THE, UH, THE CURRENT CONSTRAINTS.
UM, THERE'S A, A, A WATERWAY THAT GOES THROUGH IT, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WE CAN'T, UH, WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT A, A VARIANCE, WHICH WOULD'VE TO BE, UM, SET FORTH BY THE TOWN.
UM, THEY WANT US TO KEEP THE REMAINING, UH, AREA ON SITE UNTOUCHED.
UM, SO THE, UH, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PARCEL, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH ANY OF THAT OTHER, THE WILDLIFE CAN, CAN FLOURISH.
UM, AND WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TREES FROM 21 TO 40.
UH, THERE'LL BE 30 WHITE ROOFS AND 10 AMERICAN.
EVERYBODYS, UH, THEY'RE ALL LISTED ON THE UPDATED PLAN.
UM, AND THEY WANT US TO MINIMIZE, UH, UH, WATER RUN OR STORM WATER RUNOFF.
SO THERE'S A BIO RETENTION AREA ON THE PLAN.
AND THEY ALSO WANT A PERFORMANCE BOND.
AND THIS STATED LETTER WE'VE SUBMITTED I ADMISSION PLAN.
SO BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, AND WE'RE, UH, I'M HOPING TO GET A RESOLUTION.
AND, AND DREW ACTUALLY WROTE RESOLUTION BUT DIDN'T DISTRIBUTE IT YET.
AND JUST, I, I PUT IT TOGETHER SO YOU COULD CONSIDER IT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE REALLY, REALLY COMFORTABLE.
WE USUALLY DO, WE DON'T DO PRE-FILED RESOLUTIONS AT PLANNING BOARDS, BUT I TRIED TO PUT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER SINCE THEY PRESENTED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION.
SO I HAVE, I HAVE A HANDOUT TONIGHT.
I WE DID PART TWO AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PART THREE? CAITLIN HAS SOME COMMENTS.
I'VE ALSO PREPARED RESOLUTIONS.
AND I ALSO HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT, WHICH WE'VE DONE ON THE, THE OTHER SOLAR PROJECTS I HAVE, WE'VE CREATED AN ACTUAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT FORM.
THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS, THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE 16 CONDITIONS IN THE SPECIALTY PERMIT FORM AND THE RESOLUTION, YOU JUST HAVE TO REFER TO IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONDITIONS ARE WHAT'S IN THE LAW.
I MEAN, THE LAW REQUIRES THE DECOMMISSIONING, DECOMMISSIONING BOND.
IT REQUIRES ALL THESE THINGS AND WHATEVER.
AND WE WANT TO JUST PUT THAT ON RECORD THAT THEY HAVE A COPY OF IT.
'CAUSE OUR EXPERIENCE IS SOMETIMES THESE ARE SOLD OR WHATEVER, THAT FUTURE OWNERS KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE OF, OF RUNNING A, A SOLAR.
SO I PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU.
WE DIDN'T SEND IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID NOT AUTHORIZE US TO, YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE US TOGETHER, SO WE DIDN'T JUST, BUT WE HAVE IT.
DO YOU HAVE IN THOSE CONDITIONS, THE NEVER INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE ARRAY AND NOT TO TOUCH THE OTHER PORTION THAT, THAT THEY WERE AS THE, WE WERE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CAB THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE CONDITION OF, YOU NEVER CAN, IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE ONLY APPROVING THIS SIZE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM AND THAT'S IT.
UM, YOU COULD AMEND THAT CONDITION.
UM, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE IN THAT DOCUMENT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU IN A SECOND.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE TYPICALLY COVER THAT AS, UH, YOU COULD, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY NEVER, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE JENNIFER JUMP IN ANYTHING WITH NEVER OR NEVER SUBDIVIDE.
IT'S GOTTA GO ON THE, IT'S GOTTA BE PUT ON DEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE IT AS A CONDITION WHO FOLLOWS UP WITH THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE JUST SAY THAT IT'S APPROVED BASED UPON THIS SIZE UNIT AND ONLY THIS SIZE UNIT.
UM, SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONDITIONS JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
LET ME HAND OUT THE, YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU HAND OUT.
AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, YOU, YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS AND PARTS TWO AND THREE THAT YOU WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD.
KAYLYN? UH, NO, ACTUALLY, I, I TOOK A LOOK AT DREW IS HANDING THOSE OUT.
THE STUFF THAT HE HAD FLAGGED UP PART TWO IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I HAD FLAGGED.
UM, THE THING THAT I, I GUESS I'M STILL WONDERING IF PERHAPS I MISSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WHEN WE HAD SPOKEN TWO MEETINGS AGO, LEANNE HAD ASTUTELY SUGGESTED PROVIDING SOME SORT OF A DETAILED PLANTING PLAN AND MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH I THINK THIS IS PART OF IT.
I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THERE'S A NET LOSS OF TREES.
I WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED.
I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT MITIGATES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES CLEARED.
I DID LIKE THE SIZE OF THE TREES THAT
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THE CAT RECOMMENDED THAT THERE WERE MATURE TREES TO BE PLANTED.UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TALLER TREES.
BUT I, I WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT FOR TREE PLANTING ELSEWHERE IN THE TOWN.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S EVER REALLY GAINED TRACTION OR RECOMMENDATION.
DID, DID YOU CONTACT MR. RYAN FOR BILLY GROVE? UM, SO I DID.
UM, HE WAS WORKING OUT WITH CONSERVATION BOARD.
UH, HE NEVER RESPONDED TO ANY OF MY CALLS OR EMAILS.
UM, SO, BUT LIKE WE'VE SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S A HUGE CARBON OFFSET OF TREES.
THERE'S A HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL POSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WITH THIS SOLAR ARRAY.
UM, IT'S 18,000 TIMES, UM, OR 18,000 ACRES OVER THE COURSE OF THE, THE LIFESPAN OF THIS PROJECT.
SO THERE'S A HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF TREES.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ADDED THE BIO RETENTION AREA TO MITIGATE ALL CONCERNS.
THERE'S A 30 FOOT AREA OF TREES ALONG, UM, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD THAT'S GONNA REMAIN EXISTING.
THEN THERE'S ALSO ALL THE, THE 20 OR 30 NEW TREES THAT ARE GOING ALONG THERE, WHICH WILL BE, UH, CONIP TREES.
SO THERE'LL BE YEAR ROUND SCREENING LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE, WE'VE ADDED A LOT.
SO THE ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED SOME OF THE PLACEMENTS OF THESE TREES THEY DID ALONG, UH, THEY WANTED A HUNDRED FOOT, HUNDRED 50 FOOT ALONG SOUTHWEST AND BOULEVARD.
OTHER THAN WHERE THE DRIVEWAY, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT KATE HAD RAISED IS THE CONSERVATION BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON 40 TREES.
IS THAT FOR THE LANDSCAPING OR IS THAT FOR THE MITIGATION THAT THAT WAS PROPOSED? I MEAN, IF THAT'S IT, THEN THAT'S IT.
I DO AGREE AND I'M SURE THE BOARD'S GONNA TALK ABOUT IT.
PLENTY OF A VEM MAKES USUALLY.
I'VE SEEN BERMS A LOT FOR SOLAR.
I WAS JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD'S GONNA TALK ABOUT GOOD.
I I, I THINK THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA TEAR DOWN MORE TREES THAN ANYTHING.
THESE ARE, IF YOU TURN TO THE LAST PAGE, THESE ARE THE RESOLUTIONS.
BUT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IF YOU TURN TO THE LAST PAGE IS THAT, OR LAST COUPLE PAGES, IS THAT FORM THAT WE CREATE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT ALL THE CONDITIONS.
AND THESE ARE CONDITIONS OUT OF YOUR SOLAR LAW.
AND IT SAYS CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, UH, LOOKS LIKE THIS TOWARDS THE BACK OF IT HAS ACTUALLY SAT DOWN IN HAMBURG.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE ACTUAL PERMIT THAT THEY GET.
AND YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE, THE FIRST ONE IS THE ISSUE OF THEY'RE ONLY PERMITT TO CHUCK THIS, THIS UNIT.
THERE'S ALSO STUFF IN THERE ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT CAMMY DEALT WITH ABOUT SOIL DISTURBANCE AND, AND REVEGETATING THE SITE.
UM, UH, THERE'S ABOUT THE SOLAR CAN BE TRANSFERRED.
THAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS, BUT THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE TOWN WITHIN 30 DAYS IF THAT GETS TRANSFERRED.
UM, ANY MATERIAL CHANGES WERE REQUIRED COMING BACK TO YOU.
UM, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A CERTIFICATION PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT THE SITE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLANS.
UM, THERE'S A CONDITION IN HERE ABOUT WHEN THE DECOMMISSIONING BOMB WOULD GO.
IN EFFECT, IF IT STOPS SERVICE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY HAVE TO REMOVE IT FOR THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, OR WE'LL COLLECT ON THE BOND AND, AND HAVE IT REMOVED.
UH, THEY HAVE TO REDUCE ALL THE SAFETY HAZARDS WHEN THEY DO THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, THE SURETY BOND, UM, PRIOR TO START UP A CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE TOWN TOWN ENGINEER ON THE SWIFT, UH, CAM KNOWS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SWIFT, UH, FOR THIS PRO, NO, NO, THIS, THEIR DISTURBANCE IS LESS THAN AN ACRE.
THEY DON'T NEED EROSIONS CONTROL PLANTS.
IT'LL BE THE EROSION S CONTROL PLANT, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THESE PROJECTS IS THE, DURING CONSTRUCTION IS WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ON THAT.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING IS TO BE SHOWN ON THE APPROVED PLAN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
BASICALLY THEIR AMENDED PLAN, UH, THE FENCE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE KEYS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FENCE.
UM, UH, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE TRAINING TO YOUR EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS IF THEY WANT THAT TRAINING ON, ON, ON THE SITE.
UM, THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO COMPLETE A FINAL INSPECTION OF THE FACILITY.
EMERGENCY PLANS CAN BE PROVIDED TO, PROVIDED TO THE TOWN ROADS AND ACCESS WAYS MUST BE MAINTAINED.
UM, IF THE APP AFTER ONE YEAR, THIS IS NUMBER 19, A LOT OF THEM WANT THEM TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS RUN WELL.
THIS IS A PRETTY SMALL PROJECT.
YOU COULD REMOVE THAT ONE, BUT THAT'S A STANDARD ONE FOR THE LARGER ONES THAT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.
UM, THEY HAVE TO GET ALL THEIR OTHER REGULATORY APPROVALS.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE INSURANCES FOR THE TOWN'S LAW.
AND, AND THEY HAVE TO DO A HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT.
BY THE WAY, I'VE TALKED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON THE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT.
TYPICALLY FOR A ONE THIRD MEGAWATT, YOU'RE GONNA GET ABOUT A $1,500 A YEAR PILOT OR HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT FOR ABOUT ONE THIRD MEGAWATT IN ERIE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR COSTS.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ATTACHMENTS THAT ARE GONNA DOCUMENT EVERYTHING HERE.
SO AGAIN, I DID THAT JUST SO IT HELPS WITH YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND ANY CONDITIONS YOU WOULD PLACE ON THIS.
MY ONLY COMMENT IS I BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE A
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PRETTY GOOD JOB.THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS YOUR ISSUES.
WE DID GET THE INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD, UH, WHETHER YOU DO THAT TONIGHT OR NEXT MEETING, CONSIDER, UH, YOUR DECISIONS ON THIS PROJECT AND CONDITIONS YOU WOULD PLACE ON IT.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OR THE APPLICANT OR, OR ANYBODY HAS ANY ADDIT CANDY OR WHATEVER I MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT, IT'S A ROSE SENTIMENT CONTROL PLAN.
SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO KAITLYN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN LANDSCAPING, NUMBER OF TREES DEVOTED TO LANDSCAPING AND NUMBER OF TREES DEVOTED TO UPSETTING WHAT TAKEN OUT? I THINK TALKING TO MARK IT, THAT IS THEIR, UM, REPLACEMENT TREE NUMBER.
SO 40 IS THE REPLACEMENT TREE NUMBER AND 40 IS THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANNING IN TOTAL? YES.
AND THERE'S TWO 80 COMING OUT.
UH, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS LESS THAN 150.
I HAVEN'T 50 TOTAL OR SIX INCH, ONE 50 TOTAL.
SO TOTAL IT WAS, IT WAS OVER TWO.
UH, WELL, I, I THINK IT WAS, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF LAST MINUTE OF THE LAST WHILE HE'S LOOKING THAT UP.
THE KEY PROVISIONS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WERE, FIRST OF ALL, THE LAW REQUIRES YOU TO SCREEN SCREEN FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
GOOD PART ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THAT IT'S REALLY SURROUNDED.
THE ONLY PLACE THEY'RE PROVIDING SCREENING AND KIND OF IS ALONG, ALONG THE ROAD, UH, DOING SOMETHING ALONG THE ROAD WHERE THE ENTRANCE ROAD COMES IN OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN.
THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF YOUR LAW, WHICH REQUIRES FOR YOU ISSUE A, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, A MITIGATION PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE COVER GETTING FROM CONSERVATION BOARD IS WHAT THE MITIGATION PLAN, HOW MANY TREES, WHETHER THEY'RE PLANTED ON SITE, OFFSITE, ET CETERA.
THE CONSERVATION BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
I'M, I'M NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF TREES I WANNA, I WANNA BE FOUR.
I'M ALL ABOUT COLOR, BUT I MEAN, CAITLYN'S BOAT, LIKE 40 TREES IS NOT A REAL GREAT REPLACEMENT.
AND THEN I, I'M NEW SO I'M STILL CATCHING UP, BUT I'M UNSURE IF THE PAVEMENT UNDER THE SOLAR PANELS IS PERMEABLE BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE REALLY LOW TO THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR MEADOW.
AND THEN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN IS JUST MEADOW SEED MIX.
SO REALLY WE NEVER GET THE TREES BACK.
WE'RE LEFT WITH A MEADOW IF IT TAKES PLACE.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO WATERING PLAN.
I THINK AND NO TREES, CAMMY LOOKED INTO THAT AND I CALLED NYSERDA BECAUSE OF THE PANELS ARE BEING ON THE GROUND.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UH, NOT IF YOU TYPICALLY, IF YOU PUT 'EM UP ON A RACKING SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE THE MEADOW OR GRASSES BELOW, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE GROUND, THEY'RE AND CAMMY UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT THEY'RE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT'S JUST, WHICH IS WHY THEY NEED THAT BUYER RETENTION AREA THAT THEY'RE SHOWING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A GREEN WAY TO CONTROL THEIR DRAINAGE COMING OFF OF THEIR SITE.
USUALLY WE'RE DEALING WITH TENS OF, YOU KNOW, TENS OF ACRES, HUNDREDS OF ACRES, THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF SOLAR PROJECTS.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING I SAID THAT THIS ONE WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES.
THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IS, IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, WE, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF TREES THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH TO WRITE DOWN.
UH, I THINK NEXT MEETING, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY AND PUT THIS TO A VOTE, BUT HOW, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A NUMBER? DO WE TAKE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD'S NUMBER? DO WE USE A DIFFERENT NUMBER? WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? I THINK AT A MINIMUM IT SHOULD BE THE NUMBER THAT THE CONSERVATION BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED IN ADDITION TO SOMETHING ELSE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WILL TYPICALLY BE PUT IN PLACE FOR A LANDSCAPING ON THE PROJECT OF THIS SENSE.
SO, SO 40 FOR MITIGATION AND HOWEVER MANY TREES WOULD BE ADDED FOR LANDSCAPING.
WHAT'S OUR RULE FOR THE FRONTAGE DREW? ONE TREE EVERY 30 FEET.
AND WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE LOT THAT FRONTS ONTO THE ROAD? SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I JUST GOT A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MARK FROM THE CAB.
HE SAID THAT THE NUMBER OF TREES IN THE SOLAR FARM ORIGINALLY SAID 60 AND THEY WERE, THERE WAS A FUSION, APPARENTLY MISCOMMUNICATION SOMEWHERE NOT 160 TO 180.
AND HE SAID THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD GO UP TO THE ACT.
THE AMOUNT OF TREES ACTUALLY REMOVED.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD OKAY.
WELL, I MEAN OUR LAW ADDRESSES IN SOME SECTIONS, UH, THE AMOUNT, BUT NOT THIS OF WHEN THE TREES ISN'T THERE.
ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT SAYS IF YOU TAKE OUT A TREE, YOU GOTTA PLANT ANOTHER TREE.
BUT THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
IT SAID TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SIX INCH TREES AND WE RIGHT.
MINIMIZED IT BY ONLY PUTTING DOWN.
SO GIVEN THAT WE WROTE A LAW AND WE ALL HELPED WRITE THIS SOLO LINE THAT SAID ONE-TO-ONE MITIGATION FOR
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CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS, BUT DOESN'T SAY IT FOR THIS TYPE, FOR US TO REQUIRE THAT AFTER WRITING A LAW THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO.UM, WHERE THAT KICK, WHERE THAT KICKS IN BILL IS, AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED LAST MEETING, IS THAT YOU HAVE A TREE MANAGEMENT WALL BY TREE PROTECTION WALL.
THE TREE PROTECTION WALL, WHICH YOU SERVES.
EVERYTHING SAYS BASICALLY I COULD COME IN AND REMOVE TREES FROM, I'D HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FROM, FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR STREET PERMIT FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
IF IT'S INVOLVED IN SITE PLAN OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU PUT TOGETHER THE MITIGATION PLAN.
THERE'S NO SPECIFIC NUMBER IN THERE.
IT SAYS YOU DEVELOP A MITIGATION PLAN.
WE THOUGHT A ONE FOR ONE WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE REMOVING, AND AGAIN, IT'S FOR SIX INCH OR LARGER TREES, IF YOU'RE REMOVING A STANDARD OF TREES, THEN YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME MITIGATION.
THAT'S A SEPARATE PART OF LAW.
ARE WE ONE FOR ONE AT THIS PROJECT THOUGH? I, I PULLED UP THE MINUTES.
THERE'S 150 TREES OVER SIX INCHES TO BE REMOVED.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY WERE DEAD.
DOES THAT, DOES IT SAY SOMETHING IN THERE TOO? WELL, I THINK YOU'VE LEFT OFF LAST WEEK THAT YOU WERE GONNA WALK THE SITE.
SOMEBODY'S GONNA WALK THE SITE AND CHECK OUT LIKE RIGHT, HOW MANY WERE DEAD AND WHAT KIND OF STATUS OF THINGS WERE, WHICH IS A LITTLE TRICKY IN THE WINTER.
WELL, SO WE, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE ONES THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY DEAD ROD.
SO, UM, AND I DO BELIEVE WE, WE SUBMITTED THAT NUMBER.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE 30% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS WHAT NUMBER? 30%? I BELIEVE 30% OF THE 150 WERE ROTTED.
THE MINUTES SAY APPROXIMATELY 40 OF THE ONE 50 ARE DISEASED OR DEAD.
I MEAN, I'M, I HAVE A HARD TIME BECAUSE I, IT, I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO GO OUT THERE NOW TO VERIFY AND TO, TO MANUALLY COUNT.
AND I, I WOULD THINK THAT IF, TO EXPEDITE APPROVAL, I WOULD BE MORE LIKELY IF THEY WERE GONNA ONE-TO-ONE TREE REPLACE WITH A DECENT SIZE TREE, ONE-TO-ONE, SOME, THEN I WOULD BE, IF WE HAD TO TRY AND OR STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLANT.
AND AND ONE TO ONE IS 150 TREES, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR WELL, HUNDRED 50 MINUS THE HOW SO? HUNDRED TREES.
SO, SO, SO ONE TO ONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED TREES.
CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD NUMBER THAT THEY GAVE US THAT WERE, THAT'S IN THEIR MEMO IS 40 TREES.
UM, THERE'S A MISCOMMUNICATION OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WROTE.
WE ASKED FOR A NUMBER AND THAT'S THE NUMBER WE GOT.
UM, SO THOSE ARE TWO NUMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
JEB'S NUMBER WOULD BE 40 TREES PLUS ONE TREE EVERY 30 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
HOW MUCH FRONTAGE DO WE HAVE ON THIS LOT? WE DON'T, WE ARE, WE RICH THINKS MAYBE ABOUT 300 FEET FROM ADDITIONAL 10 TREES, AN ADDITIONAL 10.
SO, SO THAT'D BE A 50 50 TREES.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW, FEW CALCULATIONS, A FEW NUMBERS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, SO WE GOT 40, 50, AND A HUNDRED.
DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CARBON OFFSET TOO.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THOUGH, I WOULD LIKE SOME OF THE BACKUP FOR THE NUMBERS YOU PROVIDED FOR THE CAR GREENHOUSE GAS EQUIVALENCY BECAUSE I, THERE'S SOME NUMBERS IN HERE FOR VARIOUS THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR NUMBER OF, WE JUST HAVE A SINGLE SHEET GRAPHIC THAT SAYS OUR ANNUAL CARBON OFFSET IS 676.7 METRIC TONS WITHOUT THE BACKUP OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THE OFFSET WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES.
SO, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THEY KEEP OFFERING THAT, BUT THAT'S, I I'M THINKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, AS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UM, I, THE OFFSET'S NOT CALCULATING INTO MY PER PERSONAL, UH, HAVE WE DONE ANY SOLAR PROJECTS LIKE THIS YET? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALSO LIKE THE PRESIDENTIAL VALUE.
THIS IS THE FIRST SOLAR SOLAR.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WEVE DONE.
ALSO JUST, WE WERE JUST TALKING, WE DON'T, THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR LAW THAT SAYS PRAIRIE TREE TAKE DOWN ABOUT 20.
WE DON'T HAVE A, THE SOLAR LAW SAYS TO MINIMIZE OR MINIMIZE THE LOSS OF TREES SIX INCHES AND GREATER.
SO JUST MINIMIZE THE MAXIMUM FRACTION.
TRY TO LAY OUT THE SITE THAT MINIMIZE THE LOSS OF THOSE TREES.
THEN THE SECOND LAW IS A SEPARATE LAW, WHICH IS THE TREE MANAGEMENT LAW, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS IF YOU REMOVE A FORESTED AREA, A MITIGATION SHOULD BE PROPOSED.
THERE'S NO WHATEVER THE APPLICANT'S TRYING TO STATE, AND AGAIN YOU JUST SAID IT, THE PROPER OFFSET IS HOW MANY TREES DO YOU WANT THEM, ARE THESE A QUALITY FORESTED AREA? WHAT DO YOU WANT AND HOW DO YOU WANT THEM REPLACED? I THINK THE CONSERVATION BOARD MISUNDERSTOOD.
THEY LOOKED AT IT MORE OF A, THIS SHOULD BE A SCREENING, PLANT UP A BONE BURN AND PUT SCREENING UP.
UM, SO THEY COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF 40 TREES.
BUT THAT WAS A SCREENING ISSUE AND, AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
'CAUSE YOU TEAR DOWN ALL ALONG THE FRONT OF DEER A HUNDRED SOMETHING FEET.
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YOU'RE BILL, YOU'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY.I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PECULATE WELL HOW MANY TREES DO WE WANT THEM TO PLAN? RIGHT.
AS A MITIGATION TO THE LOSS OF A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED PLUS OR MINUS TREES OF SIX INCH OR CALIBER.
THEY LAID IT OUT IN THE BEST WAY THEY CAN.
SO I, I THINK THE NUMBER THAT JEFF HAS MENTIONED, THAT 40, 40 TREES PLUS THE 10 IS THE CLOSEST TO WHAT YOU WOULD, WOULD I THINK I'D BE COMFORTABLE.
UM, YOU SAID 40 TREES OR WHITE SPRUCE AND THEN YOU SAID 10 10 OF THOSE WOULD BE WELL NO, EVERYBODY'S ON SIDE.
SO THOSE ONES WERE ANNIVERSARIES FOR SCREENING PURPOSES, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP 'EM SO THEY'RE NOT SUPER TALL.
40 AND 10 PLUS THE, FROM THE FRONT.
AND YOU SAID HOW MANY OF THAT WOULD BE 10? 10.
SO IT'D BE 40 PLUS 10, BUT THAT'S NOT THE NUMBER HE CAME UP WITH.
THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER THAT I CAME UP WITH BASED ON WHAT HE WAS THINKING.
SO I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH EITHER.
SO YOU TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN YOU ADD WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE TYPICALLY BASED AS A SCREENING ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.
AND AND I'M BEING TOLD THAT THAT'S ONE FOR EVERY 30 FEET AND IT'S A 300 FOOT SCREEN.
SO, AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE ARBORVITAES ARE THE SCREENING.
THE ABES GO ALONG THE, THE SIDE AND THEN THE UM, YOU SAID LAST MEETING, THOSE ARE DEER, RIGHT? SOUTHWEST? UM, I GOT A QUESTION.
YOU TALKING NUMBERS THAT NUMBERS DON'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING TO ME UNLESS YOU SEE, IF YOU'RE TAKING A BUNCH OF TREES OUT, OUT, SAY YOUR WHOLE PROPERTY IS A SHEET OF PAPER.
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS SOLAR? SO WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT ALL THESE TREES? IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH PROPERTY AROUND THERE TO ADD A HUNDRED, 200? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH, NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T PUT TREES, FOUR ACRES OF LAND, A LITTLE LESS THAN ACRE OF IT WILL BE SOLAR ARRAYS AND WHATEVER.
A LOT OF THE SITE IS WETLANDS AND, AND WHATEVER.
BUT YOU SEE, BUT THE QUESTION YOU RAISED IS HOW MUCH DO YOU PUT ON SITE AND, AND DO WE PUT SOME TREES OFF SITE SOMEWHERE? YEAH.
HE'S JUST SAYING WILL THERE BE ENOUGH ROOM ELSEWHERE WHAT THE NUMBER OF YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A LIMITED NUMBER SOMEHOW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN TOO, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY JAMMED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING TOGETHER.
SO THAT TAKES US BACK TO KAITLIN'S QUESTION OF CAN THE TREES BE PLANTED OFFSITE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA OVERCROWD AND THEN KILL THE TREES YOU'VE JUST PLANTED.
WHICH IS, WE, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AND IT'S NOT WORKING.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IS EVENTUALLY IS COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR PLANTING TREES ON TOWN PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO WHEN WE'RE FACED WITH A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WE CAN SAY, WE CAN ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF WHERE THEY CAN GO.
UM, HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THAT, I, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DO WORKING ON.
AND WHAT HE'S TRIED TO DO IS HE'S TRIED TO CONTACT THE, UH, MR. RYAN.
BUT THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE PROPOSING 20 TREES ON SITE AND THEN WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO A FEW IN THE TOWN.
HONESTLY, THIS IS A VERY SMALL SCALE SOLAR PROJECT AND IT JUST DOESN'T WARRANT THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
WHICH AMOUNT? I THINK WE, WE SAID A LOT OF NUMBERS.
WELL, LIKE A ONE FOR ONE THREE OFFSET.
WELL I THINK THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE IS 50.
WHAT, WHAT IT'LL BE WHEN WE GET TO IT, THERE'S, BOB SAYS HE LIKES 50.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK THE CON THE CONCERN IS FOR ME IS THERE'S AN, THERE'S A LARGE NET LOSS OF TREES AND PART OF THAT, AND THERE WERE COMMENTS, THERE'S A COMMENT ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE TODAY, AND THE PRIVATE COMMENT HAS BEEN THAT WE'RE FUNCTIONALLY CLEARING LAND TO PUT STUFF ON A PARKING LOT, A GRAVEL COMPACTED PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE MAKING.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL PROJECT.
THERE WERE SOME, YOUR CLIENT HAS SET UP SOME LOFTY EXPECTATIONS FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT SPACES IN THE TOWN.
AND TRYING TO RECONCILE THAT IS, IS FOR ME A CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY FOR A PROJECT THAT IF THIS WAS PROPOSED ON PARKING LOT AND, AND THE SITE IS, WE DON'T HAVE A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION.
WE HAVE YOUR, YOUR CLIENT'S WETLAND DELINEATION, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN VERIFIED.
AND, AND IT'S CONNECTED TO OTHER HABITAT THAT SOMEBODY IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO RIGHT.
SO, WELL, HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY THAT WE'RE LEAVING ALL THE, THE PROPERTY TAKES HIM
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TO HIS AREA UNTOUCHED.AND WE FOLLOWED THE, THE CODE.
THIS IS AN ALLOWABLE USE FOR THIS, UM, ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, I I FEEL THAT WE'VE FOLLOWED THE CODE TO THE LETTER SO WELL, RIGHT.
SO KAILYN'S NUMBER IS A HUNDRED WITH ONE-TO-ONE TREATMENT REPLACEMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE? MY NUMBER IS ONE 50, NOT 51 50.
KAILYN, YOU WERE COUNTING THE 40% THAT ARE ZOOM DEBT OR DISEASE.
I, I WAS, WELL, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T, I I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING LINE THAT UNTIL 1 51 50.
THAT'S WHY I ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A NUMBER? IF WE CAN GO, IF WE, IF FOUR PEOPLE CAN AGREE TO A NUMBER, WE CAN MOVE ON.
YEAH, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT 50 PROPOSAL, BUT, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS, THIS
WAIT, CAN YOU, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME AGAIN, OF THESE 40 TREES THAT ARE NOW PROPOSED, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE ALONG THE ROAD TO SCREENING? ALL OF THEM? UH, 30 OF THEM.
30 OF THE 40 OTHER 10 ARE JUST GOING LIKE INTO THE, THEY'RE ALONG THE SIDE.
UH, I CAN SHOW YOU RECENTLY, BUT AS A CONDITION OF THAT 50, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT PLACING THEM IN ANOTHER LOCATION ON THE TOWN MAKES SENSE.
YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE JUST IN, IN PAST PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
THEY CAN JUST MAKE A PAYMENT TO THE TOWN, TOWN AND THEN PUT IN THE TRUST AGENCY FUND AND PUT TREES.
THAT MAY BE, THEY NEVER DO WITH THE, WITH THE HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT MONEY.
WELL, WHY, LET'S JUST JUST LET SOME PEOPLE MULL THE NUMBER OF TREES FOR A FEW SECONDS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS? I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS AND IT'S A LOT OF VOLUMINOUS INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE SCHEDULE I OUTLINED, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND VOTE ON THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THIS, YOU CAN EMAIL THEM TO DREW OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS? YES, UH, I, WE JUST, UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TIME CONSTRAINT TO TRY AND GET OUR PROJECT APPROVED.
UH, NATIONAL GRID IS ASKING FOR THEIR PAYMENTS AND THINGS, AND IF WE DON'T GET IT BY FEBRUARY 7TH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILE FOR A FOURTH EXTENSION YOUR CESAR.
SO I'M JUST, IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE GO THROUGH THE LIST NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK, I MEAN, I I PRETTY SURE I SAID FEBRUARY 16TH, A FEW WEEKS, A FEW MEETINGS AGO YOU SAID THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR TODAY AS WELL, BUT RIGHT.
LIKE I, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST, UH, OF EVERYTHING ON THAT.
I I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO JUST GOT THIS, UH, SEVEN PAGE RESOLUTION WOULD BE AS HAPPY
TYPICALLY THE NEXT, TYPICALLY THE PLANNING BOARD AUTHORIZES US, BUT PREPARE THOSE MATERIALS FOR APPROVALS.
WE JUST PREPARED THOSE SO THEY COULD PREPARE FOR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, GO THROUGH IT AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAD.
SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD NEEDS TIME TO PREPARE FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA READ THESE RESOLUTIONS AND TRY TO WORK THEM OUT AND WHATEVER I NEED, I CAN PROVIDE YOU A COPY TOO.
I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HELP WITH YOUR EXTENSION.
IT'S GONNA COST YOU MONEY TO EXTEND AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, SO ABOUT IT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT SO HOW ARE WE GONNA RESOLVE THE THREE ISSUES? YOU GUYS WANNA, LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S THE LAST ISSUE WE HAVE FIRST.
UM, I THINK THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT HAD SOME QUESTIONS REMAINING ABOUT THE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING PLAN.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT IS, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT OR DOES ANYBODY WANTED TO? I I JUST HAD THE QUESTION THAT THE, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, THE WAY I READ IT ON THE PLANS IS JUST METAL MIX.
IF YOU'RE GONNA COME IN AND YOU'RE GONNA PULL 'EM OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA SEED AND YOU'RE GONNA BE DONE.
AND SO WE'RE REMOVING, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 200 TREES, 150 OVER SIX INCH AND WE'RE GONNA BE LEFT WITH A MEADOW THAT WILL MAYBE TAKE PLACE IF THE SEED GOES INTO COMPACTED SOIL.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT, BUT I JUST WAS, I'M STRUGGLING WITH, THIS IS A WET SITE, SO WE ARE DEVELOPING POTENTIALLY ADJACENT, IF NOT WETLAND LAND AND LOSING TREES THAT ARE NEVER COMING BACK IN EXCHANGE FOR A MEADOW.
AND I'M JUST VERY MUCH STRUGGLING WITH
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THAT.SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
SO, BECAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, LIKE IN ALL HONESTY TOO, UM, AND AFTER THE 25 YEAR LIFESPAN OF THE, OF THE ARRAY, WE PLAN ON JUST REMOVING THAT AND THEN PUTTING IN NEW PANELS, GETTING APPROVAL TO DO THAT OF COURSE, BUT RIGHT.
WHICH IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT YOU WON'T DECOMMISSION.
RIGHT? SO THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE ONLY IF WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN HAS TO BE EXECUTED.
UH, WHAT KIND OF CHANGES DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD THEY MAKE IF IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN HAD TO BE EXECUTED? I THINK IF, IF THERE'S A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN THAT'S EXECUTED, THEY'D BE VERY MINOR IN JUST THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THE DECOMMISSIONING, UM, THE METAL MIX TAKES AND YOU TAKE ON A WATERING RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IF IT'S A DROUGHT SUMMER AND YOU DROP METAL MIX, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE.
UM, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE VERY MINOR, MINOR ADDITIONS.
I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD ALSO ADD INTO THAT, THAT PART OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAD NOTED AND THAT WE HAD NOTED THAT YOUR DRAINAGE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO ALLOW FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE TREES AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL OUT DRAINAGE TO FIX THE DRAINAGE ON THE SITE.
I WOULD WANNA SEE THE SITE REGRADED AND THEN TREES PLANTED, NOT JUST SEED IT.
IF IT WAS GONNA BE DECOMMISSIONED THAT WAS BEING PART OF THE DECOMMISSION BOND, SOMETHING HAPPENS, THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT SITE WOULD BE RESTORED TO ITS CURRENT CONDITION, NOT JUST CLEARED.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S THE OTHER HICCUP WITH TREES, RIGHT? CAITLYN AND EVERYONE IS THAT IF YOU PLANT 50 TREES AND YOU HAVE A 75% FAILURE RATE, THEN WE'RE STILL OUT ALL THE TREES AND IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S UNAFFORDABLE TO REPLANT ALL THOSE TREES AGAIN.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY, WELL ACTUALLY THE APPROVAL INCLUDES THE 40 TREES OR 50 TREES THAT PLANTED.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A GUARANTEE AND REPLACE THOSE TREES.
THEY USUALLY GET THAT GUARANTEE FROM THE, FROM THE LANDSCAPE COMPANY OR WHOEVER PROVIDES THOSE.
BUT WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE GUARANTEED THAT.
OH, SO THEY ARE COMING WITH THE ONE YEAR, WHAT, WHAT'S PROBABLY IS IT A ONE YEAR GUARANTEE? 10 YEAR.
YEAH, WE TRY TO GET A 10 YEAR AGREEMENT ON THEM AND THEN WHEN THEY PURCHASE THE TREES THEY GET A 10 YEAR WARRANTY.
I MEAN THAT MAKE SURE THE TREES DON'T DIE.
IF THEY'RE PLANTED CORRECTLY AND THEY DON'T DIE AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN WE'RE GOING AROUND, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.
YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE TREES ARE, ANY SIZE TREE TO PLANT AND PLANT CORRECTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T DIE.
WHAT'S THAT? SO PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY OTHER THINGS BESIDES, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE TREES BRIEFLY, UH, ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES TREES THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, THAT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY AND VOTE ON? WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE WILL VOTE ON IT NEXT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT CALIN AT ONE 50, BOB AND J AT 50? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THEY THINK THE TREE SHOULD BELIN AT ONE 50? ALL? WHAT DO YOU THINK DOUG? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU AREN'T GONNA BE PUTTING TREES ON TOP OF TREES BECAUSE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PRETTY AND THERE'S, THERE'S TREES AND STUFF THERE NOW OR RIGHT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, UH, YOU CAN'T GET TOO MANY TREES CLOSE TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL DIE.
THERE'S NO, UH, SUNLIGHT GETTING TO 'EM AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION WHERE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED OR 200 OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HOW MANY, I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE YOU COULD PUT A HUNDRED IN THERE AND YOU WOULD NEVER NOTICE IT OR THERE MAYBE 40 TOO MANY.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE ON A ONE FOR ONE THEY'RE TAKING DOWN 150, RIGHT? SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ROOM FOR 150.
WELL, EXCEPT THAT THEY'VE GOT SOLAR.
THEY'RE REPLACING, THEY'RE REPLACING THAT SPOT WITH SOLAR PANELS.
IF THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH TO FIT AROUND THE TREES, THEY WOULDN'T BE CUTTING DOWN ANY TREES.
THAT WHAT I'M SAYING THE AREA THAT THE SOLAR PANELS ARE TAKING UP ISN'T THAT GREAT COMPARED TO THE ACREAGE.
BECAUSE THERE'S WETLANDS AND THINGS THAT THEY COULD PLANT THE TREES IN POINT.
WELL THE SAID THAT THEY'RE UM, 30 GO ON THE FRONT.
SOME MIGHT TAKE, BY THE WAY, THE ISSUE ON THE WETLANDS A GOOD POINT.
WE WOULD NOT ISSUE, IF YOU WENT THROUGH ALL THESE APPROVALS AND THERE'S A PENDING JURISDICTIONAL LETTER, WE WOULD NOT ISSUE A PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE HAD THOSE APPROVALS AND THE JURISDICTIONAL LETTER IN PLACE.
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SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF ANY CYCLING APPROVAL IS THAT ALL OTHER REQUIRED APPROVALS, THE RIGHT EROSION, SETTLEMENT CONTROL PLANS APPROVED, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE.SO A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION WOULD BE NEEDED BEFORE THEY COULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION.
BE RISK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COST OF, OF FILLING IN OR DOING WETLANDS WITHOUT, WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE BILL SIGN THE PLANS UNTIL CAMBI SIGNS THE PLANS AND THE CAMBI DOESN'T SIGN THE PLANS UNTIL ALL THOSE REGULATORY APPROVALS ARE RECEIVED.
SO AFTER YOU SIGN A PLAN, THEN IT GOES TO BUILDING PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO SINCE, SINCE THEY, THE DOCUMENTATION HAS INDICATED THAT THEY DON'T THINK ANYTHING FURTHER IS NEEDED FROM THE ARMY CORPS BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE WETLANDS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION WASN'T FILED AND THAT THE APPLICANT ISN'T, ISN'T GETTING THAT CONFIRMATION LEVEL DONE.
CAN WE REQUEST THAT THAT BE DONE AND PROVIDED FOR THE FILE AS SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO VERIFY THOSE BOUNDARIES? OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT'S WE CAN DO.
WE COUNT ON THE WETLANDS CONSULTANT FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NEW YORK STATE.
THAT WHY THEY HAVE TO GET A, UH, A QUALIFIED WEAPONS.
THE WETLANDS CONSULTANT GOES ON ON RECORD SAYING WHAT, WHAT IS NEEDED.
SO I HAVEN'T READ THE WHOLE REPORT.
I JUST SAW IT WAS DONE AND THEY IDENTIFIED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WERE THAT THEY WEREN'T IMPACTING THOSE WEAPONS, WHETHER THEY NEEDED JV OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SUBMITTED THAT.
TYPICALLY THAT'S SUBMITTED, THAT REPORT IS REVIEWED BY ARMY CORPS AND CONCURRED WITH.
SO I THINK CAITLIN'S RIGHT, THE REPORT FINDING SAID THAT, UH, GD WAS NOT NEEDED AND THE CONSULTANT FOLLOWED THE UM, RIGHT, THE THREE CRITERIA.
YEAH, HE USED TO WORK FOR ARMY CORPS.
THE COMFORT COMMENT I GOT BACK FROM, OR THE COMMENTS THAT I GOT BACK FROM MC CAB BACK IN DECEMBER WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MARK WAS THAT WHEN THEY HAD WALKED OUT ONTO THE SITE, IT WAS VERY WET AND IN A LOT OF AREAS THE BUNCH OF THE SITE WAS WET.
AND THAT IS THE REASON THAT I'M, I AM MAKING THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE HIM HIT A WETLANDS CONSULTANT.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONSULTANTS COME IN AND SAY, WELL, WE LOOKED AT THE WETLANDS MAP AND WHATEVER.
YOU GOT A WETLANDS CONSULTANT, THEY HAVE TO WALK THE SITE AND DO THE PROPER TESTING.
I HAD A BIG PROJECT THE OTHER WEEK THAT SOMEONE SAID, OH, WE LOOKED AT THE WETLANDS MAP.
I'M LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, HYDRO, POTENTIAL HYDRO SOILS ALL AROUND THERE.
SO, SO BILL, YOU SAID IT ELOQUENTLY, YOU'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE, GET ME ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU HAVE ALL THE DRAFTS OF EVERYTHING AND PREPARING FOR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
COMMENTS TYPICALLY COME TO SARAH OR TO ME.
WE CANNOT TALK AMONGST OURSELVES IN OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING.
SO, BUT YOU CAN SEND A COMMENT, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES AND PUT IT BACK OUT TO EVERYBODY SO THEY COULD SEE IT.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO JUST EMAIL ME THEIR, THEIR PREFERENCE FOR THE NUMBER OF TREES? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA YEAH, I I I THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEAT THIS TO DEATH AND THEN BEYOND
UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A SECRET DECISION, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT INCLUDE TREE MITIGATION.
THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL WILL INCLUDE AND AUTHORIZE THE TREE MANAGEMENT LAW.
SO YOU PUT IN THERE THE AMOUNT OF TREES.
SO THERE'S, AS YOU ELOQUENTLY SAID, THERE IS THE ISSUE OF SCREENING AND THEN THERE'S THE MITIGATION UNDER SITE PLAN.
SO THE SCREENING IS PART OF THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT LAW.
HAVE THEY DONE WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED FROM A SCREENING STANDPOINT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE BY ISSUING THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
YOU ISSUE THE TREE MANAGEMENT PERMIT BASICALLY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER, RIGHT? NO.
GET WHAT THE, SO MAYBE IF EVERYBODY IT JUST GONNA GO IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL GO WITH 50, IT'S GOT TWO PEOPLE ALREADY, SO THAT'LL MAKES IT THREE.
BUT A 43 AND A HALF WE HAVE FOUR 50.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I'LL SAY, HAVE YOU, YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH ERIE COUNTY ON A PILOT, RIGHT? NO.
PROBABLY START THE CONVERSATIONS HERE.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO JUST DO A HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT, GET RID OF THE WHOLE PILOT UNLESS YOU WANT, YOU MAY BE APPROACHING ERIE COUNTY TO GET A, A BREAK ON THE SALES TAX AND WHATEVER, OBVIOUSLY.
SO, BUT WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER COUNTIES JUST TO DO, JUST TO DO A HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT FOR GET NEGOTIATING A PILOT, ESPECIALLY THIS SMALL OF A PILOT.
THEY'D SPEND MORE MONEY NEGOTIATING A PILOT THAN IT WOULD COST THEM TO GET MONEY.
SO MAR THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO TAXES FOR SOLD COUNTY.
WHAT'S THAT? THEY'VE OPT IT OUT.
THERE'S NO TAXES FOR SOLD COUNTY.
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NO, YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A PILOTWE WENT ON RECORD SAYING WE WOULD WANT A PILOT OR HOST COMMUNITY AGREEMENT.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S ALL THE COUNTIES.
SO LET'S I RECORD WHAT IS PREFERENCE FOR NUMBERS? I AM, I'M STILL WORKING IT OUT.
I ALSO THINK ALL OF THE TREES THEY PROPOSE ARE FOR SCREENING, SO THAT'S NOT MUCH OF A MITIGATION.
UM, BUT ONE-TO-ONE IS NOT AFFORDABLE, WHICH I'M ALSO NOT TRYING TO DO, BUT JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, I, I DON'T LOVE CLEAR CUTTING FOR THE SAKE OF SOLAR.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE FOR THE TOWN.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SETTLED ON THE NUMBER.
I'M SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MAYBE 50 AND 80 BECAUSE 40 IS SCREENING, 40 FOR MITIGATION.
I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THE NEW TREAT, WE, OUR PLANNING IS FOR MITIGATION.
THERE ALREADY IS NATURAL SCREENING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING.
I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A, A TOTAL OF ONE FOR 1 50 50 AND SOMETHING BIGGER THAN 50.
JENNIFER, CAN WE DO JUST THE MAJORITY OF THE FIVE PEOPLE? KEEP IN MIND BILL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MAJORITY.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AS WE MOVE, MOVE ON.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN RESOLVE IT TODAY.
YOU CAN NEED A MAJORITY OF THE TOTAL BOARD TO HAVE A VOTE, RIGHT? JENNIFER? YOU WOULD NEED NO, I DON'T VOTE.
WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SEVEN OF US.
WE'LL MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE ON ANY, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT PROCEDURALLY AS AS WE GO FORWARD AND WHEN WE COME TO THE MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A PLAN.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BUFFALO SOLAR TO FEBRUARY 16TH.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
I SAID WE WERE GONNA DO LAST, UH, NEXT ITEM OF THE AGENDA IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION FOR WEST HER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 2 8 3 2, A TOWN CODE AND A REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST CORNERS OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND BROMPTON DRIVE FROM C ONE TO C TWO IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
UH, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS, ARE WE READY TO START? YEAH, WE'RE READY TO START.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF BEHALF OF WEST HER.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANDY G FROM S PALM CLARK AND JIM
OKAY, AS AS WE KNOW, YOU SCHEDULED AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION FOR THIS FOR PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S MEETING, THE SOLICIT INPUT ON THE PROJECT.
JUST TO RE ACCLIMATE EVERYONE, THE SITE ITSELF IS LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD HERE, APPROXIMATELY 13.68 ACRES IN SIZE.
WE DID PRESENT THIS PROJECT TO YOU DURING YOUR MEETINGS ON JANUARY 5TH AND JANUARY 19TH.
THIS PROJECT REQUIRES TWO FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE APPROVALS AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS.
NUMBER ONE, WE NEED A REZONING OF THE SITE.
UM, MOST OF THE SITE IS ZONED C ONE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE REZONED TO C TWO AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL PORTION AND YOU CAN POINT WHERE IT IS THAT'S ZONED.
R TWO THAT WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR C TWO OR PROPOSING IS AN APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE FOOT NEW AUTOMOTIVE, AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP BUILDING.
AND AT 997 PARKING SPACES SPLIT IN THE TWO DIFFERENT SITES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER TO SHELDON ROAD DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING 50 FEET OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD BE DEEP RESTRICTED, MEANING WE WOULD ENSURE THAT IT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS AS I INDICATED.
AND THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING PAPER STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO POINT OUT EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
PRETTY MUCH THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS NAMED ARGYLE PARKWAY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN, WAS NEVER DEVELOPED.
BUT WE ARE ASKING THE DEFY ABANDONED, THEREBY ENSURING THERE'D BE NO PUBLIC ROADWAY BISECTING THE SITE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE REZONING, WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE AS WE RECALL FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 21 OF THE ZONING CODE LIMITS MOTOR VEHICLE USES TO A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF CAMP ROAD LOCATED BETWEEN THE NORTHERN B, THE BOUNDARIES OF NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS NORTH OF NASH ROAD.
THIS PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO BY THE TOWN BOARD DURING ITS MEETING IN DECEMBER.
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DID AUTHORIZE A COMMENCEMENT OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER.SO WE WILL BE FILING A REZONING APPLICATION ALONG WITH PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AT THE SAME TIME, COUNT OF HAMBURG WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONDUCTING A, AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF THE ACTUAL ZONING CODE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT WE DID MEET WITH TWO OF THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS WHO I HOPE MIGHT BE WATCHING ON FACEBOOK.
ELAINE LORENZI AND JOANNE KOHLER OF 41 24 AND 41 22 SHELDON ROAD IN HERE YESTERDAY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR ATTENDING THAT MEETING AND I WANT TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM.
NUMBER ONE, WE AGREED AND THIS CAME RIGHT FROM SCOTT ER, THE OWNER OF WEST HER.
THERE'LL BE NO OUTDOOR SPEAKERS WHATSOEVER IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
NUMBER TWO, ALL LIGHTING ON THE SITE WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
WE OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STAGE, WE'LL NEED TO SUBMIT A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN AND WE HAVE ENSURED THE NEIGHBORS ON SHELDON ROAD THAT THE LIGHTING LEVELS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD WILL BE ZERO FOOT CANDLES.
ONE THING WE'VE ADDED TO THE PLAN SINCE WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS YESTERDAY IS THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT PROVIDING A FENCE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE T OPEN SPACE, THEREBY ENSURING IF THERE WAS A VEHICLE HERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE VEGETATION IS, SUMMER OR WINTER, THE HEADLIGHTS WOULDN'T SHINE THROUGH.
SO ANDY'S ADDED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE FROM HERE TO HERE, WHICH EXTENDS PAST THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE HOMES ON SHELDON ROAD.
I WOULD NOTE ONE QUESTION WAS ASKED, AND I WOULD WELCOME TO ARE WE ALLOWED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
SO WE WOULD SEEK A VARIANCE TO PROVIDE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AS WE THOUGHT WE PROBABLY NEEDED THAT.
I MENTIONED THE FACT ABOUT THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WOULD BE DEED RESTRICTED.
WE DID TELL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD STAKE THE INNER EDGE OF THAT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE WEATHER CONDITIONS IMPROVE SO THEY CAN SEE WHERE THAT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WOULD BE RELATIVE TO THEIR PROPERTIES.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HOLD ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET FROM US SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
BUT I THINK THAT SUMMARIZES THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING.
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THOSE PARTICULAR RESIDENTS FOR TAKING TIME OUTTA THEIR BUSY SCHEDULE TO MEET WITH US.
AND WE HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT WILL KEEP THEM INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY AND WE WOULD WELCOME THE CHANCE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE RIGHT BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE BOARD THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANT ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, I, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A LAW CHANGE, ZONING CHANGE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND A VARIANCE FOR THE DEFENSE.
THAT'S FOUR THINGS THAT YOU WANT US TO CHANGE.
I I TAKE THAT AS, AS AN OMEN THAT ACTUALLY SAY NONE OF THEM ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING THE BOARD CAN CHANGE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT US BOARD CHANGES, UH, THAT TELLS ME THAT THAT DOESN'T BELONG THERE.
THAT THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER PLACE AND I, I'M NOT GONNA RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT THEY CHANGE THE, UH, CAMP ROAD RESTRICTIONS.
I MEAN I THINK THE VARIANCE WE'RE DOING BASED ON THE REQUEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THE PROJECT OUT, THE POINTS ARE WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE A, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE, SO THERE'S PORTION ON EITHER SIDE OF TON ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOAN RESIDENCE ON SHELDON ROAD ON THE SAME SIDE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROPOSAL WOULD END UP WITH A HOUSE LOCATED ROUGHLY ON THE CORNER OF SHELDON ROAD IN ROCKTON DRIVE THAT IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO DEALER PARCELS.
THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT READING OF THE SITE PLAN? YOU ARE CORRECT.
THAT IS AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT IS A HOMEOWNER THAT WAS NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN THE, THEIR PARCEL, HOW FAR DOES THAT EXTEND AND HOW FAR DOES WEST HER, UH, WHERE IS THE EXTENT OF THE ZONING? THERE'S NO ZONING CHANGE IN THAT TIRE STRETCH RIGHT ALONG ROCK ROAD FROM THAT WEST FENCE ALL THE WAY TO SOUTHWESTERN.
IT'S JUST FURTHER OVER OR HOW DOES THAT, WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL THERE? NO, THAT IS, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED FROM C ONE TO C TWO INCLUDING THAT PERSON'S HOME.
THIS IS EXCLUDED AND ANDY AND HIS TEAM MC, REDHOUSE FARMER CLARK AS YOU CAN SEE, HAVE PURPOSELY DESIGNED THIS TO KEEP THAT PARKING BACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS, EDDIE, BUT A CONSIDERABLE
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DISTANCE FROM THAT HOME.AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WORK WELCOME INPUT WITH THAT HOMEOWNER IN TERMS OF SCREENING AS WELL.
BUT THE REZONING JUST APPLIES TO THE PARCELS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
YEAH, THE REZONING ONLY APPLIES TO THE AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SHOWN NOT ANY OFFSITE PROPERTIES.
SO WE'RE, I'M WATCHING, I'M WATCHING ON THE OTHER SCREEN THAT'S LAGGING ON THE VIDEO WHERE I'M SEEING YOU POINTING.
SO ONLY THE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE GRAY OUT ON THAT MAP RIGHT HERE ARE THE AREAS YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE AND THEN THE AREA THAT'S STILL WHERE THE AERIAL BASE MAP IS SHOWING THROUGH IS GOING TO REMAIN ITS EXISTING ZONING.
AND THAT AREA OF LAND ON ROCKTON ROAD THERE, THAT WOULD NOT BE BE RESOLVED BETWEEN THE TWO.
REZO PARTIALS IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL ZOD, I BELIEVE IT'S ZONE, I BELIEVE IT'S C ONE.
SO THAT'S C ONE ALREADY THE HOUSE AND THE LOT NEXT TO IT I THINK ARE ARE ARE TWO THE ONES FRONTING ON THE SHELDON.
SO THERE ARE TWO LOTS ON SHELDON AT THE END.
YEAH, WHATEVER'S THE LONG SOUTHWESTERN IS C ONE OR WHATEVER BEHIND THOSE LOTS ARE OUR TWO KAYLIN.
WHAT DREW IS SAYING IS THAT HE BELIEVES THESE TWO PARCELS, THAT FRONT ON SOUTHWESTERN IS ON C ONE AND THEN THE HOUSE IN THIS LITTLE SLIVER PARCEL NEXT DOOR ADJACENT TO BRO AND IS OWN RESIDENTIAL.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS NEEDED BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION? SEAN, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO READ FOR THIS ONE, RIGHT DOUG? SO BEING THAT THIS IS AN INFORMAL PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, I WILL START BY SOLICITING COMMENTS.
UH, IS ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? I KNOW SOME RESIDENTS, UH, WEIGHED IN ON FACEBOOK.
WE LIVE ON CONNOR'S WAY OFF OF BROMPTON.
WE ARE VERY AGAINST THE DEALERSHIP DUE TO TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND SAFETY.
MANY KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES AND WALK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
INCREASED BUSINESS WOULD BE DANGEROUS FOR KIDS AND THAT SAM SUAREZ SAYS ALL THIS BOARD IS TOXIN.
THEN IT'S JUST A SCREENSHOT SO IT'S CUT OFF.
BUT I'M SURE WHATEVER'S AFTER THAT'S NOT FLATTERING.
BRIANNE BROWN IS THE FIRST COMMENT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A CHRONOLOGICAL KAILYN.
CAN YOU READ 'EM PLEASE? SURE.
UH, FIRST COMMENT IS BRIANNE BROWN.
MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE ON CONNORS WAY AS WELL.
WE ARE VERY AGAINST THIS DEALERSHIP.
PART OF THE REASON WE BUILT HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATION AREA IN OUR BACKYARD.
WE WANTED THE PROTECTION FROM HAVING MORE HOUSES OR BUSINESSES IN OUR YARD.
THIS BUSINESS WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE QUAINT AND PRIVATE FUEL OF OUR HOME.
RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING WE HEAR ARE VERY LARGE CARS OR MORTALS MOTORCYCLES.
ON SOUTHWESTERN BEING A BUSINESS IN OUR SIDE YARD WOULD BRING NOISE TO THE AREA.
TAKING TREES DOWN WOULD NOT ONLY RUIN THE PRIVATE SETTING, BUT WOULD ALSO REMOVE A SOUND BARRIER.
THE FLUORESCENT LIGHTS WOULD BE ON 24 7, WHICH WOULD BE OBNOXIOUS.
THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS BEING, HEARING EMPLOYEES BEING PAGED AND MUSIC PLAYING ALL DAY.
I CAN HEAR THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP WHILE WALKING ON SHELDON.
I AM ALSO ON CONNOR'S WAY AND MY BACKYARD FACES SHELDON DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED WEST, HER DEALERSHIP ROUGHLY 175 FEET AWAY.
BASED ON THE SITE PLAN, I VERY STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH THE REQUEST TO AMEND THE TOWN CODE AND RESULT THIS LAND FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE, THE NOISE NUISANCE FROM LOUD SPEAKERS AND THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT, PARTICULARLY ON EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS.
TWO, THE BRIGHT LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE ON 24 7 365, SHINING DIRECTLY INTO MY AND MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS AND THE BACK WINDOWS.
SO THE TREES IN THE WIND THROUGH THE TREES IN THE WINTER MONTHS.
THREE, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AT THE CORNER OF BROCKTON AND SOUTHWESTERN, WHICH CAN ALREADY BE A DIFFICULT INTERSECTION TO NAVIGATE DUE TO THE LACK OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
FOUR, THE POTENTIAL FOR WEST HER CUSTOMERS AND MECHANICS TO TEST DRIVE VEHICLES IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
ON SHELDON SHELDON'S, CONWAY, HIGHLAND ALLENDALE, ROSIE, MOST OF WHICH HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF YOUNG CHILDREN WITH A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS HAVING ZERO SIDEWALKS TO HELP KEEP KIDS AND RESIDENTS SAFE.
AND FIVE, THE LOSS OF THE CURRENT WETLANDS.
AND ITS MANY TREES WHICH ACTUALLY DRAW MANY DUCKS, GEESE, AND BIRDS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ENJOY.
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IRVING RAINEY.WE ARE VERY OPPOSED TO THE REZONING FOR THE PLACEMENTS OF A DEALERSHIP.
TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE THERE AND THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS ALREADY.
IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL VERY CLOSE BY AND KIDS ARE ALWAYS WALKING AND PLAYING AROUND THERE.
THE DEALERSHIP'S LIGHTS ARE ALSO VERY BRIGHT AND WOULD'VE GOT THE HOMES IN THE AREA.
UH, SECOND PART FROM AMY IBANK RAM.
BOTH SIDES OF BROMPTON ALSO OBSERVE A SAFETY NIGHTMARE.
THIS IS WHERE I PICK UP, UM, WITH MEGAN'S SCAR.
MEGAN SCAR, BOTH SIDES OF TON, IS A NIGHTMARE FOR TRAFFIC IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SHE CONTINUES IN SECOND COMMENT, WESTERN HAS ENOUGH SPACE ON SOUTHWESTERN.
ANOTHER COMMENT FROM BRIANNE BROWN, PUT YOUR BUSINESS IN AN ABANDONED BUILDING.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO MEGAN'S OR PILLOW, THEY CAN ASK THESE COMMENTS.
OH, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, SO ELLIE IZZO, WE LIVE ON CONNOR'S WAY AND MANY PEOPLE ALREADY SPEED DOWN BROCKTON AND IT'S A NIGHTMARE TURNING LEFT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FROM BROCKTON.
THE CAR DEALERSHIP WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ARE VERY AGAINST, UH, ELLIE IZZO.
AGAIN, WE CAN SEE THE WESTERN TOYOTA LIGHTS FROM OUR HOUSE CURRENTLY, AND THAT IS MUCH FURTHER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED VERY AGAINST THIS NEXT COMMENTER, GREG ENO.
I HAVE ASKED ABOUT CHANGING THE RULE ON AND OFF FOR OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
I WAS TOLD NOT TO EVEN BOTHER.
PERMISSION IS GRANTED TO WEST TO OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE AUTOMOTIVE BORDER TO BE GRANTED TO ALL DEALERS, FRANCHISE OR INDEPENDENT.
IF AN INDEPENDENT DEALER IN HAMBURG, I HAVE BEEN FORCED OUT OF OR DENIED MULTIPLE LOCATIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE DUE TO NOT BEING ON CAMP ROAD.
SO IF THEY'RE GRANTED PERMISSION, THEN ANYONE SHOULD BE GRANTED THAT SAME PERMISSION TO SELL IN DISPLAY VEHICLES ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO ALLOW IT FOR WEST HER SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE WEST HER IS NOT FAIR.
WE ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE WEST.
HER PROJECT ON THE CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN IN PROMPTED CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE PROHIBITED BY TOWN ROAD ON ALL STREETS EXCEPT CAMP ROAD FOR A REASON.
IN ADDITION, SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF THIS PROJECT WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.
ANOTHER COMMENT FROM MEGAN SCAR, IF THE NEIGHBORS OF CONNOR'S WAY, PROMPT, MOSEY, ET CETERA, ALL SIGN A PETITION APPROACH TO THIS DEALERSHIP, WILL THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS? KAREN, AGAIN, IT IS ALREADY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUTTA PROTON ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC IS A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN.
WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING WETLAND NOTED IN THE SITE MAP? ANOTHER COMMENT FROM AMY IBANK.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A CAR DEALERSHIP AROUND SOMEONE'S HOUSE, QUESTION MARK IN THERE.
UH, THEN IT SAYS, UH, RIDICULOUS, RIGHT? THAT'S BROWN, BRIANNE BROWN, UH, ELLIE IZZO, UH, RESPONDING TO AMY IRVING.
SUSAN DRAG SAYS, I HAVE SAFETY TRAFFIC, SAFETY ISSUES, GIVEN THAT ACCIDENTS HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED, THE DEALERSHIP WOULD ONLY CONTRIBUTE TO MORE ACCIDENTS.
ALSO DIRECTLY BACK SHEED VERY CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTS, NOISE AND TRAFFIC.
I'M GONNA SCREENSHOT THESE AND PASTE THEM INTO A WORD DOCUMENT BILL AND CIRCULATE THAT TO YOU AND SARAH AND I SEND AS WELL, JUST SO THAT WHAT I READ IS HAVE A BACKUP OF THAT.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD DO THAT.
ALL RIGHT, SO I MEAN, THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
WE STILL, AS ALWAYS, WILL ACCEPT EMAILS ON THIS PROJECT AND ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE IN THE ROOM? I ALREADY ASKED NOBODY.
NOBODY'S I DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
ALL OF THEM AT THIS STAGE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE CAN'T CHANGE THE LAW, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE ZONING.
UH, SO OUR TASK IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WHERE WE CAN MAKE SUCH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD ANY COMMENTS.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GO AS FAR AS AS DENNIS, BUT I AGREE THAT THE LAW THAT
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WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS THAT LIMITS CAR DEALERSHIPS TO A CERTAIN AREA, IN MY OPINION, IS A GOOD LAW TO HAVE.AND I DON'T SEE A REASON TO CHANGE IT FOR, FOR ANY REASON, NOT JUST HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, JUST IN GENERAL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING FOR THE RECORD BEFORE SARAH WRITES UP OUR PROS AND CONS.
WE HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT ALONG THE SAME LINE.
COME IN WHILE YOU WERE TALKING, BILL.
THERE'S JUST A SLIGHT LAG ON FACEBOOK AND IT SAID PUT IT ON CAMP ROAD.
I'M SURE THERE IS ROOM, CORRECT? I JUST, I WAS WONDERING AND IT WAS ANSWERED THAT SOMEBODY DID APPLY TO PUT A CAR DEALERSHIP THERE AND THEY WERE DENIED BECAUSE OF THIS LAW.
AND AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT SOMEONE, WELL, WAIT, DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
MY, MY THING IS, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE DENIED, UH, A USE OF A CAR LOT TO BE PUT ON SOUTHWESTERN BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT LAW.
SO SOMEBODY'S ALREADY BEEN DENIED AND, AND I AGREE WITH THE, THE WRITER THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP, LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
WELL, IF IF THE LAW CHANGED DEPENDING ON HOW IT WAS CHANGED, IT WOULD DO THAT.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY? I THINK WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
I THINK WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS THAT THEY HAD TRIED TO OPEN AT SOME LOCATION IN HAMBURG AND THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTION.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY MEANT.
WELL, THE COMMENT DID NOT SPECIFY WHERE THEY TRIED TO.
JUST THAT THEY HAD TRIED AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
SO, SO AS BILL HAS SAID, THIS IS WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER RECOMMENDATION TWO VERY SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS THERE, A REZONING APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER REZONING PROPERTY C ONE OH C TWO, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MATTER OF CHANGING THE LAW BECAUSE THE LAW WOULD AFFECT HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN UNLESS YOU CAME UP WITH OTHER RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY REPRESENT THIS PROJECT, BUT FIRST OF ALL, SHOULD THE PROPERTY BE REZO, THE C2? THE SECOND QUESTION IS DO WE CHANGE THE LAW THAT WOULD AFFECT, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE QUESTIONS FLIPPED AROUND.
YEAH, THE FIRST QUESTION SHOULD BE, SHOULD WE CHANGE THE LAW? RIGHT? BECAUSE EVEN IF WE REZONED IT TO C TWO, IF THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE LAW, THEN WE'D HAVE C TWO WITH NO CAR DEALERSHIP.
RIGHT? I I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY GO FORWARD WITH THEIR APPLICATION FOR REZONING IF THE LAW IS NOT CHANGED.
SO I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, SHOULD THE LAW BE CHANGED? AND, AND FOR US, DO WE DO A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT QUESTION AND WAIT UNTIL THE TOWN BOARD MAKES AN ANSWER BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE? WELL, WELL, BECAUSE AGAIN, WELL THINK ABOUT THE, BUT THE APPLICATION IS A REZONING THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO THE TOWN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REPORT AND COMMENT.
SECONDLY, THE, THE, SO WE REQUESTED, THE TOWN BOARD HAS ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE LAW.
I MEAN THEY MAY NOT CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD FOR ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT WE DO HAVE TO SEND AT LEAST A RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING.
SO WE HAVE TO SEND THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING.
I ALSO NOTE WE DON'T HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION PENDING.
IT WAS JUST WHY IS THIS, OKAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE THEN? WELL, BECAUSE WE PRESENTED AS A CONCEPT, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, I THINK I SAID THAT GATHERING THE INFORMATION FILE.
SO IT'S A CONCEPT THEN, THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE C OKAY, THEN WE CAN JUST SAY WHATEVER WE WANT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A REPORT.
WELL, WE'LL DO REPORT ANY, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A REPORT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN BOARD WANTS US TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT'S HELPFUL FOR THEM.
BUT I I I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD JUST START OFF WITH A REPORT ON THE LAW CHANGE AND SEE WHAT THE TOWN BOARD DOES WITH THAT.
AND IF THEY CHANGE THE LAW, THEN LOOK AT THE REZONING AS OPPOSED TO TRYING, DOING BOTH OF 'EM AT ONCE.
TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, THE CHANGE IN LAW IS TO ALLOW CAR DEALERSHIPS IN C TWO DISTRICTS.
DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? OKAY, SO CURRENTLY GO AHEAD.
CURRENTLY OUR LAW LIMITS CAR DEALERSHIPS TO ONE SECTION OF BROOK.
SO THE CHANGE IN THE LAW WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE CAR DEALERSHIPS OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE ZONING CHANGE, IT'S JUST THAT THE DISTRICT RIGHT.
CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE ALLOWED ALREADY IN C TWO.
SO THEN WE'D BE OPENING IT UP TO A POTENTIAL CONDITION OR LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMMENTS, OPENING IT UP TO LIKE, COULD BE ANYWHERE THAT'S, BUT THAT'S TBP, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE LAWS.
IT COULD, IT COULD BE HOW THE TOWN BOARD CHANGES THE LAW.
THEY MAY SAY CAMP ROAD AND INCLUDE SOUTHWESTERN.
OR OR THEY COULD SAY THEY COULD DO ANYTHING YOU WANT WITH THE LAW AND IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT DON'T THINK IT WOULD JUST BE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE C TWO SECTION OF THE LAW.
C TWO SECTION OF LAW SAYS YOU CAN HAVE RIGHT CAR DEALERSHIPS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOU GO TO THE SPECIAL USE PURPOSE SECTION OF THE LAW AND IT SAYS HERE ARE THE CRITERIA.
ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS YOU CAN ONLY BE ON THIS LOCATION OF CAMP ROAD, RIGHT? SO THAT SECTION OF LAW, DO WE CHANGE THAT? WE CAN SAY NO, LET'S DON'T CHANGE THAT.
CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
INCLUDE SOUTHWESTERN, INCLUDE OTHER AREAS.
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INCLUDE, I MEAN, YOU COULD COME UP WITH A VARIETY OF, OF RECOMMENDATIONS.SO I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD DO OUR, OUR USUAL PRO CON TYPE MEMO ON THE LAW CHANGE.
ANYBODY WHO HAS, UH, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT IN THAT MEMO, GET IT TO SARAH IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND REASONS FOR OR AGAINST IT, THEN WE WILL VOTE ON, ON THAT, SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
IF THE TOWN BOARD CHANGES THE LAW, THEN WE WILL, WELL TOM BOARD CHANGES THE LAW THEN YOU PROBABLY WOULD PUT IN A FORMAL REQUEST FOR REZONING.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
BUT THEN, THEN WE DO IT THAT THROUGH THAT METHOD, IF THEY DON'T CHANGE THE LAW, THEN WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS.
SO BILL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THIS IS SO VAGUE AND THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US, WE HAVE THE LATITUDE THAT SHOULD WE BE IN FAVOR OF SPECIFIC CHANGES, WE CAN ARTICULATE WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC CHANGES ARE OR SUGGESTIONS FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION RATHER THAN JUST FOR OR AGAINST A SPECIFIC REZONING OR SPECIFIC COURTING OF LAW BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ON THE TABLE.
AND, AND WHEN WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON LAWS, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF LEEWAY TO, TO DO THOSE THINGS AND MAKE, MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND CHANGES.
I, I THINK THAT WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT HERE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER WE SEND OUT, IF THEY DO COME UP WITH A DRAFT LAW CHANGE, SHOULD THEY GO THAT ROUTE, THEN IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM SEND IT BACK TO US ONCE THEY HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR INPUT.
AGAIN, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S AN OPTION TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONCEPT, NOT AN ACTUAL SPECIFIC CHANGE STILL AT THIS POINT, I WOULD EXPECT, YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD EXPECT ANYTIME THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A LAW THAT IMPACTS WHAT WE DO IN THAT MANNER THAT THEY'D SEND IT TO US.
EVEN IF WE DIDN'T ASK, SIMILAR TO HOW THEY DID TWO MONTHS AGO WITH THE SOLAR LAW AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, I MEAN WE, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE, BUT I THINK THEY'D SEND IT TO US EVEN IF WE DIDN'T WORK.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WEST HER TO FEBRUARY.
DO YOU WANT THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THERE WERE 1, 2, 3, 4 MORE THAT CAME IN WHILE WE'RE TALKING.
LET'S, LET'S JUST, UH, PRINT 'EM UP FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
YOU, ME JUST PRINT THEM OFF OR DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM? NO, NO, PRINT THEM OFF.
'CAUSE I CLOSED THE, THE SESSION.
I'LL INCLUDE THEM IN HERE AND I'LL KNOW WHICH ONES WE'RE NOT.
AND SO, SO THOSE COMMENTS WILL BE PART OF THE RECORD.
THEY JUST WON'T BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
AND IT'S A PUBLIC INFORMATION SOUNDS INFORMATION MEETING AND IT'S A PUBLIC INFORMATION, SO, SO THEY WILL BE READ AND CONSIDERED.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA GET READ OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW.
SO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WEST HER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP TO FEBRUARY 16TH, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
AND BILL, I'M GONNA TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD JUST TO FIND OUT CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE OF YOU.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DELIVERING WHAT THEY WANT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS NOT A REZONING APPLICATION, IT WAS JUST A REFERRAL TO YOU TO COMMENT.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS ANOTHER PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION SESSION FOR PEOPLE INC REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING PUD ORDERED BY AMSTEL ROAD, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, ROGERS ROAD AND CLOVER BANK ROAD IN ORDER CONSTRUCTION APARTMENT PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION.
SO WE DO KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS.
IT'S A AMENDMENT RECORD BASICALLY, WHICH IS BASICALLY REASON.
CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APP OF PEOPLE INC.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM MINA WOOD MORRIS JO BOSS FROM PEOPLE INC.
AND MARK BROOKS FROM THE PROJECT ARCHITECT LONG AND ASSOCIATES.
AS YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOUR, TO DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE PROJECT SITE ITSELF CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES OF VACANT LAND WITH FRONTAGE JOHN ROGERS ROAD.
IT'S BEEN ZONED WITH PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MORE OR LESS, I BELIEVE 30 YEARS.
WE NEED AN AMENDMENT OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PUD BECAUSE THE USE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED ON THIS SITE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE ORIGINAL PLANS, IF YOU LOOK BACK FOR THE RECORDS FOR THIS PROJECT SITE, DEPICT MORE OR LESS 15,600 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL BUILDING WITH APARTMENTS.
THE MIXED USE BUILDING THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 3,224 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN A SPECIALTY RETAIL BUILDING OF 3,952 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, INSTEAD OF WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WAY BACK WHEN, IS
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A PEOPLE INC PROJECT THAT WOULD CONSIST OF WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING.WE'RE SHOWING TWO, THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH A CONNECTED ATRIUM.
BUILDING A WOULD HAVE 35 UNITS, 32 OF WHICH WOULD BE ONE BEDROOM, THREE OF WHICH WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM, AND THEN BUILDING B WOULD BE 49 UNITS, 40 OF WHICH WOULD BE ONE BEDROOM AND NINE OF WHICH WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM.
WE ARE SHOWING OUTDOOR AMENITIES AS WELL, OUTDOOR SEATING, OUTDOOR RECREATION, COMMUNITY GARDENS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE'RE ONLY SHOWING ONE SINGLE CURB CUT ONTO ROGERS ROAD LOCATED HERE WITH AN EFFORT TO KEEP THAT AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTHWESTERN AND ROGERS.
ROGERS ROAD IS AN ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'RE SHOWING 105 PARKING SPACES FOR THOSE 84 UNITS.
AND THEN FINALLY, APPROXIMATELY 27.5% OF THE SITE WOULD CONSIST OF GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING.
I THINK MARK HAS DONE A GOOD JOB PREVIOUSLY AT TWO MEETINGS PRESENTING THE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS.
WE HAVE THOSE AGAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE THEY'RE AT IN TERMS OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT.
JOSLYN DID SUBMIT A LETTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON JANUARY 13TH, RESPONDING TO COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED DURING YOUR WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR.
THOSE COMMENTS PERTAIN TO THE ADEQUACY OF THE ONSITE PARKING.
WERE MORE THAN COMFORTABLE THAT OUR PARKING RATIO OF 1.24 SPACES PER UNIT WILL BE AMPLE PARKING ON SITE.
BY WAY OF COMPARISON, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PEOPLE INC PORTFOLIO, WHICH IS 1,190 UNITS, ONLY 49.60 CENTS, 49.6% OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE A VEHICLE.
SO WE THINK WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING.
UH, WE DID ADD THE SIDEWALK ONTO ROGERS ROAD BASED ON YOUR INPUT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACTUAL NEED FOR THE HOUSING THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE.
UH, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF A VERY COMPREHENSIVE MARKET STUDY THAT DEMONSTRATES THERE'S A VERY HIGH DEMAND FOR THIS HOUSING IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AT THIS LOCATION.
WE DID SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN ON JANUARY 13TH THAT INCORPORATED THAT SIDEWALK ALONG ROGERS ROAD, ALONG WITH A VERY SMALL MAINTENANCE BUILDING WITH DIMENSIONS OF ONLY 10 FEET BY 13 FEET.
UM, THE TOWN HAS BEGUN THE PROCESS OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
ULTIMATELY, THE TOWN BOARD WILL SERVE AS A LEAD AGENCY BECAUSE AS CHAIRMAN CLARK INDICATED THEY WOULD MAKE NEED TO MAKE THE LAND USE DECISION ON THE PUD AMENDMENT.
UH, WE HAVE GOTTEN COMMENT LETTERS BACK FROM COUPLE OF INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES, NONE OF WHICH HAVE PROVIDED ANY SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS WHATSOEVER.
BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, THE DEC LETTER HAS TWO STANDARD COMMENTS, ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT WE NEED A SPEEDIES PERMIT, AND SECONDLY THAT WE NEED TO DO A DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH OF CHRIS AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING ON.
WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PREPARED BY SF ASSOCIATES DATED DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO WE THINK WE'RE WELL DOWN THE PATH IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT REVIEW PROCESS.
WE ARE HOPEFUL AND WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD CONSIDERATION A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND WE'D WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, BILL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF, UM, MARCO AND JEB ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY REACH OUT TO, TO DREW AT SOME POINT, HE CAN GIVE YOU A GOOD OVERVIEW.
IT'S A A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSING ZONE AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT IS A CONFUSING ZONE AND THE, THE, THE REALLY GOOD PART IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
THAT'S THE, THE TOWN BOARD'S THE ONE THAT REALLY HAS TO, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, UH, HAVE TO GO WITH IT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PEOPLE INC PROJECT? HAVE ANYBODY HERE ON THAT ONE? UH, ANY COMMENTS ONLINE ABOUT THIS PROJECTS? THERE ARE NEW COMMENTS.
UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE, I BELIEVE ARE ONLY RELATED TO THE WEST HER PROJECT, RIGHT? ARE THE SAME COMMENTERS AND APPEAR TO BE THREADED RELATED TO THOSE.
AND I'LL INCLUDE THOSE IN THE SUMMARY.
SO, SO WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
PLEASE, UH, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND WORK ON THE PLAN FOR, MY NAME IS CHARLIE GO.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PEOPLE INC.
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AS WELL AS THE DATA DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPLETELY CHANGING THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF LIVING IN THAT PART OF TOWN OF HAMRICK.TRADITIONALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A FORCE AREA SURROUNDING BRIARWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, AND THIS WOULD TOTALLY DO AWAY WITH THAT.
NOT TO MENTION THE EXTREME TRAFFIC THAT'S FOR THE CAUSE IN THAT AREA.
I KNOW, BILL, YOU'RE IN ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS.
I KNOW DENNIS IS AS WELL IN THAT AREA OF THE TOWN.
YOU GUYS KNOW HOW BADLY THAT WALMART HAS CORRUPTED OUR AREA.
THIS, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE PUT IN HERE? COULD YOU TELL ME? 84.
ONE BEDROOM AND 12 TWO BEDROOMS. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS? UM, IN THE TYPICAL PEOPLE EIGHT ONE BEDROOM UNIT, THERE'S ONE PERSON I, YEAH, IT'S VERY RARE FOR THERE TO BE TWO PEOPLE IN A ONE BEDROOM UNIT OF 1,190 UNITS THAT WE SERVE OF.
THERE ARE ONLY 32 UNITS THAT HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THEM THAT ARE ONE BEDROOM, RIGHT? SO WE'RE AT LEAST 80.
THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE TRAFFIC LIMITATIONS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT THIS, THAT WALMART ATTRACTS PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE AREA.
TRAFFIC IS THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTHWESTERN AT ROGERS ROAD.
I GET 10, 12 CARS BACK SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING TRYING TO GET TO WORK.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO TAKE AN INTENSE LOOK AT THIS PRIOR TO AGREEING TO THIS AMENDMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
AS ALWAYS, PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS VIA EMAIL.
UH, SO BECAUSE THIS IS A CHANGE IN A P HEY BILL, WE HAD ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
COME IN ON THIS ON FACEBOOK, OKAY.
MARY ROSE
THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO, AND THAT PORTIONS OF THE P UUD DO EXIST MORE BUILT OUT, YES, IT DOES REQUIRE P UUD AMENDMENT, RIGHT? WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.
WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA DO A MEMO THAT OUTLINES WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS, AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
ANYTHING YOU WANT IN THAT MEMO, PLEASE GET TO SARAH BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN HAVE A MEMO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THE PLANNING BOARD'S LOOKING FOR FROM US? AND I ALSO WANT TO NOTE, AS WAS THE CASE AT THE PREVIOUS PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, AND I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEW MEMBERS, JOSLYN IS WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ANY PLANNING BOARD MEMBER ON A TOUR OF THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES.
WE APPRECIATE MR. MAHONEY TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT.
SO IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT, LET US KNOW.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE PEOPLE INC.
SO WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE THE MEMO TO VOTE ON AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WELL, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN CHECKING, WE'RE STILL WELL ABOVE FREEZING, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
UH, FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION FOR DATA DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING, REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 98 TOWN HOMES ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIARCLIFF DRIVE EVENING.
ONCE AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT DATA DEVELOPMENT.
ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS, AS WELL AS DAVID AND BRIAN BURKE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AS THE PLANNING BOARD WILL RECALL, THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 9.5 ACRES IN, IN SIZE, HAS BEEN ZONED PUD AS THE CASE WITH THE PEOPLE INC SITE.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THAT SITE IS THIS CURRICULAR SITE ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AND AS SUCH DOES NOT REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING PUD.
UH, WE DID SUBMIT PART ONE WITH A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, ALONG WITH VERY EXTENSIVE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
THE PROJECT ITSELF CONSISTS OF 96 OR 95 TOWN HALL UNITS.
UM, HE PICKED IT ON THE SITE PLAN JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE.
BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE TWO PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS IN BEHIND US, WELL, THE VERY WIDE RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND WE HAVE PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SITE WITH A SERIES OF MOSTLY FOUR UNITS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE, THREE UNIT, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE FIVE
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UNIT TOWN HOME BUILDINGS.THESE CEOS TOWN HOME BUILDINGS WILL BE TWO STORIES AND WILL INCLUDE AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THESE ARE CONTEMPLATED TO BE FOR SALE, NOT FOR RENT.
SO THESE WOULD BE UNITS THAT WOULD BE SOLD ULTIMATELY TO PURCHASERS.
UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
PURSUANT TO SEEKER, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IMPACT.
WE'VE SUBMITTED, UH, DOWNSTREAM STEWARD CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE COMMENT LETTERS THAT HAVE COME BACK BETWEEN A COMMENT LETTER FROM THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY SARAH GOTTI THAT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YES, THIS IS AN AREA, AN ON SITE THAT'S ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED DEVELOPMENT PER THE ERIE COUNTY FRAMEWORK FOR GROWTH.
WE DID ON AT YOUR LAST MEETING, GO OVER THE UPDATED PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED BASED ON INPUT RECEIVED FROM BOTH THIS BOARD AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT THAT CONTEMPLATOR WHAT WE CHANGED IS WE INCREASED THE MINIMUM SETBACK IN THE REAR, THE REAR LOT LINE OF ANY OF THE ADJOINING HOMEOWNERS ON BRIARCLIFF.
ORIGINALLY, WE'RE AT 15 FEET MINIMUM, WE'RE NOW AT 25 FEET MINIMUM.
CHRIS DID THAT BY MAKING SOME CHANGES HERE.
SO ELIMINATING THAT PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TOWN HOME BUILDING THAT WOULD'VE FRONTED THAT PRIVATE DRIVE.
HE ALSO HAS ADDED THE LOCATION OF THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT TO THAT PLAN.
THE MAIN TOPIC THAT WE DISCUSSED AT YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO WE'RE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL PLANS RELATIVE TO WHAT WAS CALLED THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS AREAS I, J AND K AS DEPICTED ON THE PREVIOUS PUD.
COMPARE THAT TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED, BOTH IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND THE 95 TOWN HOMES WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO WE DID, AS WE DID SUBMIT A LETTER THAT PROVIDES A DETAILED ANALYSIS, AND I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT IT VERY BRIEFLY.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT 1998 DOCUMENT, FOR THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, 338 UNITS WERE CONTEMPLATED.
99 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 44 DUPLEXES, 107 TOWN HOMES IN 88 APARTMENTS.
AGAIN, A TOTAL OF 338 DWELLING UNITS BASED IN 2022 ON WHAT'S THERE TODAY, ADDING THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 231 UNITS THAT WOULD CONSIST OF 57 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 40 DUPLEXES, 134 TOWN HOMES, OF COURSE, OF WHICH MOST OF THOSE ARE PROPOSED ON SITE IN ZERO APARTMENTS.
CHRIS HAS HIGH HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS FULL-SIZED PLAN.
THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, IJ AND THEN WHAT'S THE PROJECT SITE? SITE K.
SO IN COMPARISON TO THE PLAN THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED BACK THEN IN THE 19 98, 19 98 AND EVEN EARLIER, WE'RE SHOWING 107 LESS TOTAL DWELLING UNITS THAN WAS, WAS CONTEMPLATED.
WE DO THINK THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, PARTICULARLY VERY RELEVANT IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT, BECAUSE WHAT IT CLEARLY INDICATES IS THAT IN TERMS OF TOTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WERE ACTUALLY AT LAST THAN WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN THE TOWN BOARD DID ISSUE A FINDING STATEMENT.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT TONIGHT'S MEETING IS AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION.
WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE REASONS YOU WERE HOLDING THIS MEETING THIS EVENING WAS SO WE COULD RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT BECAUSE THE NEXT STEP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS IS CHRIS AND HIS TEAM AT CARMINA WOOD MORRIS WOULD'VE TO DEVELOP A FULL SET OF ENGINEERED PLANS, AN ENGINEERS REPORT, A SW, ALL OF THAT VARIOUS DETAILED TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION THAT IS NEEDED PER THE TOWN STANDARD SITE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
I THINK THAT'S A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND AGAIN, WE KNOW THERE'S RESIDENTS HERE THAT WANT TO COMMENT.
WE'LL LISTEN TO THEIR COMMENTS, THEN HOPEFULLY COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.
RIGHT, AND, AND AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, THIS IS, UH, WE USUALLY DON'T DO THIS.
IT IS A INFORMATION SESSION WHERE WE'RE SOLICITING COMMENTS ON THE SKETCH PLAN.
UH, IF THEY SUBMITTED FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD HAVE A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL ONES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THOSE IN OTHER PROJECTS OR NOT.
BUT BECAUSE THIS ONE IS JUST FOR THE SKETCH PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE STAGE, THE STAGE THAT WE'RE AT, I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO POTENTIAL CHANGES OF THE SKETCH THAT WOULD, IF THEY GO FORWARD WITH ENGINEERING, WOULD IN, WOULD HELP THEM IN THAT PROCESS.
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UM, THE, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE MORE GENERAL, UH, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHY THE PROJECTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, THAT'S MORE FOR A OF THE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD COME DOWN THE ROAD.IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WANNA MAKE COMMENTS.
UH, YOU CAN, IF SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF REPEATING THE SAME THING, YOU CAN SAY, I AGREE WITH THAT PERSON.
AND AS ALWAYS, WE LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS IN WRITING.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA READ, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UH, BUT PLEASE PROVIDE US A COPY OF WHAT YOU READ FROM.
IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO WORRIES THAT YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING OR DON'T, DOESN'T LIKE PUBLIC SPEAKING, AN EMAIL IS ALSO A VERY EXCELLENT WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH US.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, LET'S, UH, START THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
UH, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME, I LIVE AT 52 EAST DRIVE.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, BAR ASSOCIATION.
AND, UM, WE THOUGHT TONIGHT WAS MORE BRINGING UP OUR CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, LEMME JUST START BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE MEETING.
AND I WANNA THANK SARAH, BUT SHE LUCK.
BUT SHE'S DONE BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE FOR US AND REALLY GREAT EFFORTS TO THE TOWN.
UM, I JUST WANT HAND OUT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER.
AS, AS WE GOT EMAILS, I REALIZED THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME TYPE OF DISCONNECT.
I I THOUGHT YOU SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED A, A MEETING TO DISCUSS SKETCH PLAN, UM, GENERAL CONCERNS THAT'S USUALLY FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
SO BASICALLY I'M HERE WITH TWO OTHER HOMEOWNERS, FRANK ALKI AND PATTY MICHAEL.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BASICALLY GO OVER THESE CONCERNS WITH YOU.
AND, UM, I MEAN, THE SIX CONCERNS I HAVE LISTED IS, IS THE PUD GREEN SPACE COMMITMENT, THE SETBACKS FROM THE TRACKS AND FROM THE HOMELESS PROPERTY LINES, THE SEWER AND HARD TRAIL EASEMENTS, THE ENTRANCE AND ENTRANCE FROM CLOVER BANK TRAFFIC STUDY AND INTERSECTION SAFETY, AND THE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN MA SIX MAJOR POINTS THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.
BUT LET'S, LET'S START WITH THE FIRST ONE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
YEAH, I THINK THE LAST TWO ARE PROBABLY, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WHAT WE, WE'VE COULD GO OVER TODAY.
CAN WE, SHOULD WE START? OKAY, FRANK? SORRY.
NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES, FRANK ALKI 52 68 BRIARCLIFF DRIVE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK, 1 4 0 7 5.
UM, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
UM, AS MR. RUNIC INDICATED, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A HEARING, AND I'M TOLD NOW IT'S AN INFORMATION SESSION, UM, SESSION.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT.
WE'RE GIVING YOU NOW A HANDOUT AND I'VE BEEN A LAWYER FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT REAL ESTATE LAW AND MY NEIGHBORS, AND THERE'S SEVERAL OF 'EM IN THE BACK AS WELL, UH, HAVE GIVEN ME A QUICK STUDY.
SO YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS STUFF THAN, THAN I DO.
I DO CRIMINAL WORK, INJURY WORK.
UM, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PUD WAS UNTIL THEY ASKED ME, UH, IF I WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND SPEAK TO YOU.
UM, SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU SOMETHING, UM, WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT STARTED, AND I DO APPRECIATE MR. CLARK THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS IN THE WRITING BECAUSE WE WILL DO IT.
THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE THE BERKS WHO DEVELOPED A QUARRY WHEN I WAS A KID, I USED TO RIDE MY BMX BIKE IN THERE, UH, DOWN CORNER CLIFF.
AND NOW I WALK AROUND WITH, WITH MY FAMILY, AND THEY HAD PROMISED THAT THERE WOULD BE 28 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, AND I GUESS I DO KNOW THE LEGAL TERM VOID OF NICIO, UM, THEY'RE SHORT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS OVERDEVELOP AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN OVERDEVELOPED AND POINTING OUT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE, WE'VE OUTLINED WHAT THAT GREEN SPACE IS.
AND REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, THE DEVELOPER OWES THE RESIDENTS
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GREEN SPACE.THIS IS BECAUSE IF YOU CALCULATE IT ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHERE YOU EXCLUDE THE POND AND THE WETLANDS AND THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S ONLY 17 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
NOW THAT'S PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE OWED 11 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
SO OUR POSITION IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULDN'T EVEN GET OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTS HERE, AND I'LL SEND THIS TO YOU, UM, THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE BERKS, AND YOU CAN PASS, PASS IT ALONG, WHERE THEY HAD PROMISED WHEN THEY WERE USING THE PUT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I'VE, I'VE GROWN TO LEARN, IS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE, THAT THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE US WITH 28 ACRES.
NOW, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A RAILROAD, NEAR THE RAILROAD RIGHT HERE.
WE OUTLINE THE, THIS IS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE AT THE TOP, WHERE THE 9.1 IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WALKED THERE WITH MY KIDS.
UM, WE, UH, WE HAVE A HEART TRAIL.
THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RIDE MOUNTAIN BIKES THROUGH THERE.
AND THIS IS WHY WHEN THE TOWN BOARD WAY BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND THEN THE NINETIES GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP THIS LAND AS A PUD, THEY HAD CONTEMPLATED 28 ACRES, AND THIS IS GONNA CHANGE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN THEY CAME, WHEN THEY CAME TO THE TOWN, THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
NOW, 30 YEARS LATER, THEY WANNA DEVELOP AND THEY WANNA GO BACK ON THAT, BUT THEY'RE BOUND BY THAT.
THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY AGREED TO.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT I LOOKED AT, THIS IS A VERY DENSELY, THEIR, THEIR DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE VERY DENSE.
IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN ONE 10TH OF AN ACRE PER TOWNHOUSE, AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED OR DEVELOPED AREAS.
SO I, AND I DID, I DID THE MATH ON THAT, AND I FOUND THAT TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY PROBLEMATIC.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, AND I'LL RUN UP AMS DE SOMETIMES WITH MY WIFE, SOMETIMES MYSELF, AND I'LL RUN WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE INC AREA.
AND IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT TOWN THAT I GREW UP AND I GREW UP ON CLIFTON PARKWAY.
I OWN A HOUSE THERE AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO BRIARCLIFF ON THE LAKE THAT I JUST RECENTLY DID.
UM, SOME RENO, UH, SOME WORK ON THE LAKE.
BUT THE AREA THAT WE, THAT WE'VE GROWN TO KNOW AS HAMBURG IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
AND WHAT WE HAVE GOING FOR US IS WE CANNOT DEVELOP WEST ONTO THE LAKE THAT PREVENTS US FROM BEING TONAWANDA, BUT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT.
AND WHEN YOU PUT ALL THIS CONCRETE, WHICH IS A VERY DENSELY POPULATED OR AREA CONCRETE JUNGLE, IT POLLUTES OUR, OUR LAKE.
AND I HAVE A LITTLE BOY JUST TURNED EIGHT AND A LITTLE GIRL, AND WE LIKE TO GO FISHING, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH RUNOFF, WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH RUNOFF IN OUR LAKE AND ALGAE.
AND I'M TOLD THAT I'M NOT A A, A SCIENTIST, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AN AREA THAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP 9.158, WHERE THERE WOULD BE RUNOFF THAT'S GONNA GO INTO THE LAKE, OUR, OUR, OUR SEWER SYSTEM'S ALREADY OVERBURDENED.
WHEN I GO TO WOODLAWN BEACH, IT SMELLS, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S OVERBURDENED.
AND BY PUTTING ALL THESE DIFFERENT UNITS IN THERE, IT'S GONNA ALREADY TAX OUR SEWERS, OUR WATER SYSTEM, IT'S GONNA CREATE TRAFFIC.
IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT WHAT THEY PROMISED.
AND SO WHAT WE WANT DATA, WHICH IS PART OF BURKE THROUGH THEIR SONS, IS TO KEEP THEIR PROMISE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN.
AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS THEY SHOULD KEEP THAT GREEN SPACE, OR THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY GIVE IT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THEY OWE THAT TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN.
AND THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR PROMISE.
AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO NIP THIS IN THE BUD WHEN YOU DO, IF THEY DO WANT A RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU, YOU, UM, DENY THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT KEPT THEIR PROMISE TO PROVIDE THE GREEN SPACE THAT THEY ORIGINALLY BUILT.
I MEAN, JUST TO ADDRESS THE, THE THE DIP IN THE BUD COMMENT.
UH, YOUR LAWYER, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND SURE, THERE'S A PROCESS.
AND, AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
WE WERE JUST TO SAY RIGHT NOW, NO, DON'T GO ANY FURTHER.
THAT WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC AS FAR AS WHAT THE TOWN'S SUPPOSED TO OR IS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND PROBABLY END UP HAVING THE OPPOSITE IF
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IN FACT IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.SO, AND I, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IN EVERY PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA LET THE, LET IT PLAY OUT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO, TO USE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I, AND I TOLD YOU I DIDN'T PRETEND TO BE A REAL ESTATE, UH, UH, ATTORNEY.
MY, YOU KNOW, MY, UM, MY GRANDFATHER WAS A REAL ESTATE BROKER, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, AND, AND THIS IS NEW TO ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASKED IF I, I WOULD SPEAK, I DON'T, AND THEN I'M NOT THEIR ATTORNEY.
UH, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP EDUCATE, THANK YOU.
AND, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? AND WHAT, AND WHAT YOU DO, BECAUSE I'VE SAT HERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS NOW AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN WITH TOWN PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO JURIES, I'VE TALKED TO JUDGES, AND I CAN TELL HOW SERIOUSLY THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE HERE AND HERE VIRTUALLY TAKE THEIR JOBS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S APPARENT TO ME THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE RULES, YOU'RE VERY SERIOUS AND YOU PROVIDE INPUT.
AND AS A, UM, A CITIZEN, I APPRECIATE THAT AND JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
AND I RESPECT THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO DO WHAT IT HAS TO DO.
AND WE JUST WANNA PUT OUR CARDS IN THE TABLE AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND.
UM, AND I'M ALSO ON THE A, I'M A DIRECTOR.
UM, SO WHAT I WANTED TO, UH, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR THIS NEXT SITE PLAN IS, UH, YOUR CODE REGARDING RAILROADS, AND THAT A BUFFER STRIP OF AT LEAST 50 FEET SHALL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE LOT LINES WHERE SAID, LAND USES A ABOVE.
IN REVIEWING THE BUFFER, THE PLANNING BOARD SHALL CONSIDER TOPOGRAPHY OF THE AREA RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE CAB AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND THIS REVIEW MAY RESULT IN A REQUIRED BUFFER BEING GREATER THAN 50 FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE BUFFER BEING GREATER THAN 50 FEET FOR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
UM, WE'RE ALSO, UM, IN 2000, WE READ THAT THE PLANNING BOARD REQUIRED THE BURKES TO INCLUDE PATIOS IN SAWGRASS.
AND WE, THERE WAS MENTIONED LAST TIME, SEAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT NOT REQUIRING YOU TO LOOK AT THE OLD CODES, BUT TO LOOK AT, UH, NOT TO LOOK AT THE NEW CODES, BUT LOOK AT THE OLD CODES.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE STAY WITH THE NEW CODES.
WE DON'T WANT OLD BUILDING CODES, AND WE DON'T WANT OLD ZONING CODES.
WE WANT THE CURRENT CODES TO BE USED IN THIS PLANNER.
UM, THE OTHER THING HAS TO DO WITH HOME SETBACKS.
UM, OH, AND THIS WAS A COMMENT THAT, UM, WE APPRECIATE, WE READ IN 2010 WHEN WE STOOD BEFORE YOU, I WASN'T HERE, BUT WHEN WE STOOD BEFORE YOU FOR THE NRP REVIEW, UM, DREW, WE NOTE, UM, ADDED THAT A SAFE SETBACK DISTANCE, UM, IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE HOUSES BUILT SO CLOSE TO TRACKS WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR HUD INSURANCE.
AND THAT AFFECTS FAJ MORTGAGES.
WE RESPECTFULLY INVITE ALL OF THE MEMBERS TO, UM, COME TO THAT AREA, THIS AREA, AND GO AND SIT, SIT IN YOUR CAR, 50 FEET, UM, VISIT THE TRACK, SIT, SIT IN YOUR CAR, STAND IN YOUR CAR, 50 FEET AWAY, EXPERIENCE THE VIBRATION, INTENSITY, SPEEDING TRAINS SOUND LEVEL, NOT NOXIOUS FUMES.
AND PLEASE, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE AND COULD WANDER ACROSS TRACK, ET CETERA.
THAT'S NOT A, UH, SUGGESTION FOR IMPROVEMENT.
UM, THE LAST, THE OTHER REQUEST I'M ASKING IS THAT, UM, SEAN WAS AT THE LAST MEETING AND PRESENTED TO YOU A TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT WAS, I FELT IMPLIED THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS FINE, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
BUT IN FACT, UM, I, WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT IT.
THAT TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT MEASURE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT.
THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS ONTO BRIARCREST DRIVE, WE'RE ASKING THAT THEY PLEASE DO ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY
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AND INCLUDE IMPACT OF 99, 98 CARS COMING IN AND OUT, SCHOOL BUSES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES.WE WOULD LIKE ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE SUGGESTED WE HAD ABOUT, UM, OVERBANK HAVING ACCESS INSTEAD OF THE TWO.
THINGS I WANNA REMAIN, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT WITH THE EASEMENTS.
UH, THEY, THEY HAVE IT ON THE MAP HERE.
UH, THE, THE SEWER EASEMENT, IT'S A MAJOR SHRUNK LINE.
UH, AND SEAN, ARE, ARE YOU PROPOSED TO MOVE THAT SEAN CLIENT CHRIS? YEAH.
I MEAN, HOW, I MEAN, I TALKED TO THE, UM, COUNTY SEWER DEPARTMENT, UM, MATT, SO GO AHEAD.
YOU'RE GIVING US INFORMATION THAT'S, UH, I, I KNOW THAT MR. HOPKINS IS GENERALLY REALLY GOOD ABOUT SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE.
SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, YOU CAN.
BUT NOT, WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE WAITING, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, THAT, UM, THAT EASEMENT, FIRST OF ALL, D COUNTY, I TALKED TO, UH, MATT
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS EASEMENT HERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY, THEY CAN'T BUILD ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT AND THEY STILL HAVE THE, THE BUILDINGS ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO THAT'S GOTTA, THEY CAN'T BUILD ON TOP OF THE EASEMENT.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOTTA CHANGE, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S THE EXACT SPOT OF IT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME DRAWING THAT SHOWED A LITTLE, A LITTLE FURTHER OUT, I'M SORRY, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE PROPERLY.
AND ALSO THE HEART TRAIL, THE HEART TRAIL RUNS ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT, UH, SUM RAISE ONE TOO.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE TWO, TWO ISSUES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE ARE ADDRESSED.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST ISSUE THAT I WANNA BRING UP IS THAT I WANNA KNOW WHY WE, THEY CAN'T HAVE AN, AN, AN ENTRANCE FROM CLOVER BANK.
WHAT IS THE LEGAL OR REASON THEY CAN'T HAVE IT THERE? BECAUSE THERE'S, FROM THIS, WE'VE DONE SOME STUDIES ON THE, UM, THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 INTERSECTIONS IN HAMBURG.
WE'LL SEND YOU THIS, BUT IN HAMBURG THAT ARE CLOSER THAN WHERE THIS ROAD WOULD BE COMING OUT AND CLOSING IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, AND THERE IS THE, THERE IS THE QUIET ZONE THERE, BUT THE, THE QUIET ZONE BETWEEN THE QUIET ZONE AND WHERE THE, THE ROAD WOULD BE IS PLENTY OF ROOM, I THINK IT'S 70 FEET OR SOMETHING, 76 FEET FROM THE END OF THE, THE, THEY HAVE THE MARKERS IN THE ROAD THERE FROM THE END OF THAT TILL THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY IS 76 FEET, WHICH IS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR ROAD TO GO IN THERE.
IT WOULD CUT DOWN THE TRAFFIC IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
IT'D BE A LOT SAFER FOR, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY VEHICLES COMING IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, ENTRANCES OFF OF BRIARCLIFF IF THEY DID THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE MAJOR, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR ISSUES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU, YOU KNOW, SORRY LATE HERE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE PLENTY OF PAPERWORK AND OF DETAIL BEHIND THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
SO YEAH, IF YOU PROVIDE US WITH THOSE PAPERWORKS AND EVEN BETTER ATTACHED MEMOS EXPLAINING WHAT YEAH.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US, UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S 30 YEARS WORTH OF STUFF TO GO THROUGH.
I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH 30 YEARS OF STUFF.
FOR EXAMPLE, THIS, THIS DOCUMENT, THE PROJECT INFORMATION DOCUMENT WITH THE SUPPOSED 28 ACRE CONFIRMATION.
I JUST DON'T, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE SAYING IS BEING COMMITTED TO AND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT ACTUALLY MEANS.
I DON'T, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL AREA OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THERE'S SAWGRASS IN THERE, LIKE THEIR NUMBERS MAY HAVE SAWGRASS AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SAWGRASS.
UM, YEAH, WE'LL GET YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT IS, IT IS VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES TO THE, UH, TO THE PRODUCT.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? SIR? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YES, MY NAME IS MICHAEL BERGER.
I LIVE AT 2 7 7 7 CHRISTOPHER BOULEVARD.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE STATISTICS AND UM, UH, THE MAP THEY SHOWED, UM, IN
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I, THEY KEPT QUOTING THAT ALL THREE SECTIONS WERE GONNA BE PART OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SAWGRASS AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS NOT PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT OF, IN OUR GUARD, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, THE TRAFFIC STUDY SUPPOSEDLY USED THOSE PATHS FOR ACCESSS AND ENTRANCE THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED, THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, ASSOCIATION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND THAT WHEN THEY WERE QUOTING ON HOW MANY HOMES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AND THAT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD NOT BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE BRIAR CLIP HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE AT SAWGRASS AS WELL SO THEY CAN BE INVOLVED BECAUSE THIS WILL IMPACT THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AS I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD ALL THE FACTS FROM BACK IN 19, WAS IT 98? THAT IS A DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS, SO YOU'RE AFFECTING A WHOLE NOTHER COMMUNITY THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LIKE TO SAY.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UH, MY NAME'S DAVID CHUCK.
AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
THE FIRST ONE IS, IS THERE ANY, UM, LAW OR ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT IF THESE UNITS DON'T SELL, CAN THEY BE RENTED? LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT WOULD PREVENT DATA FROM RENTING THESE PROPERTIES OUT THAT THEY DON'T SELL, SEEING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILT BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND WHATEVER FOR ANY REASON THEY DON'T SELL.
AND, UM, SECOND THIS POINT, I LIVE AT 51 4 2, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH PRIVATE DRIVE IS ONE OF THESE THAT IS LITERALLY ONLY 60 FEET WIDE.
IT'S A LOT NARROWER THAN THE OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER ONES.
AND JUST, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD, I IMPLORE YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TO MAKE, MAYBE TAKE A RIDE OVER THERE AND JUST WALK THE SITE JUST TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, DENSE IT IS AND EVERYTHING.
AND, AND JUST TO ADDRESS, LIKE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE DECISION, IT WAS A, A PART OF YOUR COMMENT, THIS ISN'T EVEN A FULLY ENGINEERED PLAN.
WE ARE MONTHS AWAY FROM ANY DECISION WE RIGHT? I I WOULD CAN'T, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE RIGHT NOW AS TO WHEN SOMETHING HAPPEN.
SO BILL CLAR CLARIFYING THAT IT, IT'S A SKETCH PLAN.
SO THEY COME HERE AS LONG AS THEY WANT HEAR COMMENTS, THEY HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR US TO ACT UPON.
SO THEY'RE HEARING FROM YOU, THEY'RE HEARING FROM US, BUT THERE IS NO FORMAL DECISION BY THE BOARD.
THEY CAN COME AS MANY TIMES AS THEY WANT AT SOME POINT THEY GOTTA DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA APPLY AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S NO FORMAL SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INPUT TO DECIDE WHAT THEIR APPLICATION IS GONNA BE SO THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ACTUALLY ACT ON IT.
SO ANYONE ELSE? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UH, CHERRY BERG.
2 7 7 7 CHRISTOPHER BOULEVARD.
I'M JUST WONDERING, BACK IN 2000, HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, UH, RESERVE PROJECT HAD PATIOS TO BE PART OF THE TOWN HOMES.
I'M WONDERING WHY THE HOMES THIS TIME WILL NOT HAVE PATIOS ATTACHED TO THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO, SO SAME, SAME RULES.
IF, IF YOU KNOW QUESTIONS FOR, FOR MR. HOPKINS, PUT 'EM ON THE RECORD AND HE WILL ANSWER THEM IF YOU WANNA HAVE IT BACK AND FORTH.
THIS ISN'T QUITE THE FORUM TO, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
SO NO PATIOS IS, THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS NO PATIOS.
YOU, YOU, YOU ASKED YOUR QUESTION, IT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED.
SO ANY, IS THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR COMMENTS? OKAY.
SO YOU'LL GET AN ANSWER TO THAT? YEP.
ANYONE ELSE? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IN THE LAST MEETING, UM, SOME ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ASKED IF THEY WOULD PUT IN ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL SPACE AND THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY STATED THAT NO, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO THE TRAIN TRACKS AND IT COULD DRAW CHILDREN AND IMPLIED THAT IT WOULD BE A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AND PROPOSE THAT THEY REMOVE, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE 36 TOWNHOUSES ONLY 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE TRAIN TRACKS.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND A PROPOSAL WHERE, WHERE THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT AND TAKE AWAY THAT ENTIRE ROW CLOSE TO THE TRAIN TRACKS BECAUSE WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE OF A RECREATIONAL SPACE THAT PEOPLE FREQUENT OCCASIONALLY VERSUS THE 36 TOWN HOMES
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RUNNING RIGHT ALONG THE TRACKS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA FREQUENT EVERY DAY WHEN THEY COME HOME FROM WORK, PLAY OUTSIDE.WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE A SAFETY CONCERN VERSUS A RECREATIONAL SPACE THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? UM, ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER POINT.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FIVE J AND K.
J AND K ARE THE ONLY PARTS THAT AFFECT US.
SO I SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THAT.
WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES AND, AND ALL THAT, IT'S NOT
UM, THE PEOPLE, THEY'RE VERY NICE, BUT THEY CAN BE VERY TERRITORIAL.
THEY HAVE SIGNS THAT SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY AND, AND THEY, THEY HAVE SPEED BUMPS AND THINGS.
SO I THINK IF THE DEVELOPER, MY COMMENT WOULD BE IF THEY'RE USING THAT AS PART OF THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULDN'T, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY SHOULD NOT BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE PRIVATE NATURE OF IT.
I THINK THAT YOU RAISED A GOOD POINT AND IT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME UNTIL I I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE TO IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED AS, AS A PLACE WHERE THE TRAFFIC WILL GO.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALL? SO, UH, THEY GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IF YOU JUST WANT US TO TABLE IT.
GENERALLY, YOU WANT SPECIFIC DATE QUESTION REVIEW? YES.
YEAH, I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND POINT BY POINT TO C BECAUSE I GLADLY WOULD NO, NO, DO DO YOU WANNA COME BACK AT IT? OKAY.
SO YOU, YOU WANNA DO A RESPONSE? SO WE'LL TABLE IT SO YOU CAN DO A RESPONSE? YEAH.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATA DEVELOPMENT TO FEBRUARY 16TH.
IS THIS GONNA BE A RESPONSE SCRIPTED TO THE SKETCH PLANS OR A MORE GENERAL MEETING? WELL, AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE GOES, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MORE GENERAL MEETING IS GONNA BE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN THE POINT WHERE I COULD EVEN CONSIDER SCHEDULING SUCH A MEETING.
WE'RE THAT FAR AWAY FROM, FROM THAT PROCESS THEM TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
ONCE THEY MAKE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARING, ET CETERA.
LIKE THAT MORE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, THEY HAVE NOT MADE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
THEY COME IN TO GET INPUT SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT ALL THEY WANT.
UNFORTUNATELY, LAW THAT ONCE THEY DECIDE AND MAKE AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION, PLEASE CALL PARISH OR LET YOU KNOW AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION'S BEEN RECEIVED, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT REGIMENTED PROCESS THAT'S IN THE PSYCH PLAN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN, WHICH REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THEY, THE APPLICANT'S MADE A PRESENTATION, THE HOMEOWNER'S ATION ORDER, RIGHT? THAT LAST SPRING.
AND I DO WANT TO KNOW A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS.
I DO HAVE THEIR EMAIL, BUT I ADMIT THAT I'LL SHARE INFORMATION WITH THEM AND I'LL CONTINUE DO THAT.
BUT THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF MEETINGS WHERE, WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD GO TO THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, THERE'S A LOT MORE BACK AND FORTH THERE THAN IN THESE FORMAL PROCESSES.
SO IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S APPROPRIATE, YOU MIGHT WANNA DO ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.
RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING PROCESS.
OKAY, SO THE LAST MEETING YOU GUYS, WELL THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
I WE WERE PROVIDED THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING ON JANUARY 28TH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ANYBODY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OVER? NO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS TYPED.
NOW THESE ARE FOR JANUARY 19TH.
SO A MOTION BY MR. CLARK IS FOR JANUARY 19TH.
BILL, JUST A REMINDER, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE REVIEWING THE EIS FOR DOLLAR GENERAL.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN MARCH.
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WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND, AND, AND GET THE FEIS GOING IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, YOU SHOULD BE REVIEWING THAT.
WHEN IN MARCH ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO SCHEDULE THAT PUBLIC HEARING? I THINK YOU SCHEDULED IT ALREADY.
DO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY? WHAT'S THAT? DO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY? YES, WE'RE SCHEDULED.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT? WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET A COPY.
I MEAN, I CAN GET IT OFF THE WEBSITE.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO ADJOURN.