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WELCOME TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, UM,
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FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022.I'M BOB MAHONEY, FILLING IN FOR JEREMY BILL CLARK.
UM, TODAY WE HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH, UM, NUMBER ONE WITH DAVID MECO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT THE EAST SIDE OF CAMP ROW.
HOW YOU ABOUT? SO, GOOD EVENING ACTING CHAIRMAN MAHONEY, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM, MCC HOPKINS MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS PART OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE MISSION HILLS, THE VILLAGES AT MISSION HILLS PROJECT, WHICH WAS REVIEWED VERY THOROUGHLY ABOUT A DECADE AGO.
ACTUALLY, THE FINDINGS STATEMENT WAS ISSUED PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER DUE ACT ON JANUARY 20TH, 2010.
TO DATE, MOST OF THE PHASES OF THIS PROJECT HAVE BEEN BUILT STORY TWO STORY SENIOR APARTMENTS.
THESE APARTMENTS, THE PATIO HOME PORTION OF THE SITE.
WHILE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED THAT THAT WOULD BE 91 LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ULTIMATELY THE DENSITY OF THAT TURNED OUT TO BE 82.
SO WE'RE DOWN 10 UNITS FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED FOR THIS BASE, WHICH IS THE TITLE.
THE FINAL PHASE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BUILT OUT IS THE PHASE HERE, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY CALLED SINGLE STORY SENIOR APARTMENTS, OR WE'RE DEPICTING WAY BACK THEN ON AN OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAD REVIEW ACT IS 40 UNITS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO THE EDGE OF THE SITE.
MOST OF THE SITE HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN CLEARED, AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF A BIGGER APPROVAL FOR AN OVERALL PROJECT.
SO WHILE WE'RE BACK HERE THIS EVENING, SEEKING SOME PRELIMINARY INPUT IS ON WHAT WE'RE NOW PROPOSING FOR A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS FINAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WHICH WE CALL PHASE FOUR OF MISSION HILLS.
THE FINAL PHASE IS WE HAVE 16.05 ACRES.
WE'RE SHOWING WHAT WOULD BE IN, IN TOTAL 59 UNITS.
SO THAT 59 UNITS IS 19 MORE THAN WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED FOR THIS SITE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE DOWN 10 OVERALL UNITS IN TERMS OF THE PATIO HOME PROJECT.
SO IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE FINDING STATEMENT, IT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT MAXIMUM DENSITY, MAXIMUM BUILD OUT.
WE DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE A TOTAL OF NINE UNITS OVER WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUILD OUT WAS.
UM, DO YOU GUYS ALL HAVE THIS, THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT YOU CAN REVIEW AT YOUR
UH, THEY WILL HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES.
THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY WETLAND IMPACTS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A LARGE, LARGE PORTION OF THE OVERALL SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED AS GREEN SPACE.
AND I THINK CONSERVATION EASEMENTS HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN GRANTED TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WE'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY CHANGING THE CONFIGURATION OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED 12 YEARS AGO, THE DISTANT TIME FOR PHASE FOUR O MISSION HILLS, AND NOW PROPOSING WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN PREPARED BY AGREEMENT.
AND I DO WANNA NOTE FOR THE MINUTES, THE DATE OF THAT PLAN IS OCTOBER OF 2021.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
I WOULD DEFER TO SARAH AND DREW.
I THINK IT DOES REQUIRE IT AT LEAST TAKE A CONSIDERATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A VERY MINOR INCREMENTAL ANALYSIS THAT INCREASE IN OVERALL DENSITY OF NINE UNITS AND THERE BEING A REDUCTION OF 10 UNITS TO THE PATIO HOMES AND ADDING THOSE 10 UNITS INTO THIS COMPONENT.
I DO WANNA NOTE, DAVE, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS.
DAVE HAS OB OBVIOUSLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS.
STATE'S INTEGRAL INVOLVED MEETS WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTS FROM TIME TO TIME.
SO I THINK YOU WANTED TO GIVE JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, I, UH, WE SHOULD TURN THIS AROUND, GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW REAL QUICK.
BUT, UH, THIS PHASE, THIS PHASE AND THIS PHASE, THIS HAS ALL BEEN CONSTRUCTED, WHICH ARE PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND THREE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
AND PROBABLY BY MAY OR JUNE OF THIS YEAR, THIS SUBDIVISION WILL BE TURNED ON, UH, THE UTILITIES, THE SEWER.
WE'VE JUST FINISHED THE WATER UP TODAY AND WE'RE GOING TO STORM SEWER.
SO AT THE PACE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WE'LL BE PAVING THIS SOMETIME AT THE END OF APRIL, FINAL GRADING AND THEN GOING FOR OUR PERMITS TO TURN THE SUBDIVISION ON WITH IT BEING 81 HOMES, 81 HOMES AS OPPOSED TO 91.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS IS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROJECT, THE WETLANDS HAS TO BE RED DELINEATED AFTER YOUR FIRST PERMIT WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
SO WE HAD TO GO BACK AND RED DELINEATE THE SITE.
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UP IN THE WOODS HERE AND WATER SSED OVER AND CREATED AND ENDED UP LOSING 10 LOCKS INSIDE THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH REDUCED US DOWN TO 81.UH, THE ROAD IS, UH, THIS ROAD FOR THIS SUBDIVISION ENDS RIGHT HERE AT THIS BLACK LINE.
AND THEN THIS ROAD HAS BEEN PUT IN.
AND THE EMERGENCY EGRESS WAS THE FIRST THING UNDER OUR AGREEMENT WHEN WE BUILT PHASE ONE.
UM, THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN PUT IN.
SO THIS IS A STONE ROAD WITH CRASH GATES THAT GO INTO WATERFALL VILLAGE.
AND, UM, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THIS SITE WAS CLEARED, UH, WHEN WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION OVER HERE NINE YEARS AGO.
THIS WAS OUR AREA WHERE WE STORED ALL OUR TOP SOIL AND OUR OFF SAW OFF SOILS, UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS SITE AND THIS SITE.
SO WE CLEARED THIS HAD ALL BEEN CLEARED.
UM, WE BUILT THE, THE FIRST 10 PATIO HOMES, UH, STARTED ABOUT 2, 2 2 YEAR, LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
WE SOLD 'EM LIKE GANGBUSTERS AND UH, SO WE DECIDED TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
SINCE THEN, UM, WE HAVE, UH, COME UNDER CONTRACT.
MIRANDA MARK EQUITY HAS BOUGHT THE BALANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THEY WILL BE BUILDING OUT THE BALANCE OF THE PATIO HOMES, UH, WITH US.
AND PART OF THE REASON WE LIKE THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PATIO HOME PROJECTS IN WEST NEW YORK, WHILE IT MAY NOT BE ANY INDIVIDUAL'S PREFERENCE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT THEY DO ACTUALLY GO BY QUALITY PATIO HOMES.
AS COMPARED TO SOME OTHERS THAT AREN'T QUITE THAT QUALITY.
SO, WITH THIS CONCEPT IN MIND, AFTER, AFTER SELLING THESE 10 UNITS AND DEALING WITH PEOPLE OVER HERE, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE REQUEST.
'CAUSE THESE PATIO HOMES HAVE NOW EXCEEDED UP INTO THE 500, $550,000 RANGE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS PATIO, LIKE A PATIO HOME DESIGN.
THEY HAVE, THE END UNITS HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE INSIDE UNITS HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE.
THEY'RE ABOUT 1,575 SQUARE FEET.
THEY HAVE FIREPLACES, LARGE KITCHEN, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND THEIR OWN, UH, WASHER AND DRYER ARE BUILT RIGHT INTO THEIR UNITS.
THIS IS JUST FOR RENT? YES, JUST FOR RENT.
AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN CLUB, LITTLE CLUBHOUSE OVER HERE IN A POOL FOR THEIR AMENITIES.
UM, AND WE, WE, WE, WE PROBABLY HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE WITHOUT EVEN ADVERTISING JUST TO RENT 'EM.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUTSTANDING WAITING LIST, WAITING FOR THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT TO MOVE IN.
PROBABLY OUT OF MY POPULATION OVER HERE, THERE'S 208 UNITS HERE.
10% OF THIS PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW WOULD PROBABLY MOVE OVER AND TAKE HALF OF THE UNITS THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
WE HAVE, UH, PEOPLE THAT WANT LARGER UNITS AND ARE NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, BUT LIKE, BEING IN THAT COMMUNITY, YEAH, IT, IF YOU GET A CHANCE DRIVE IN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE, UH, SETTING.
WE HAVE TONS OF WOODS THAT WE SAVED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SITE.
WE'VE SAVED AROUND 45 ACRES OF THE 93 ACRES IS STANDING GREEN, UH, GREEN AREA AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TREAT AREAS THAT WE'VE, UH, SAVED.
AND UH, OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE OFF THE AREAS THAT WE COULDN'T DEVELOP.
'CAUSE THEY WERE, SOME OF IT WAS STATE AND FEDERAL WES.
SO WE, WE'VE PRESERVED ALL THOSE AREAS AND UH, UM, THE IDEA WAS, IS WHEN WE FIRST PUT THESE BUILDINGS UP, UM, WE JUST CALLED 'EM FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS AND WE PUT 10 OF THESE BLOCKS IN HERE AND IT WAS 40 UNITS.
UH, AFTER WE RE-EVALUATED AND LOOKED AT IT, WE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD MORE AREA BETWEEN HERE THAN WE NEEDED.
SO WE ADDED AN EXTRA UNIT ONTO HERE, AN EXTRA UNIT ONTO THIS ONE.
AND WE TURNED SOME FOURS INTO FIVES AND SIXES, CUSTOM SOME FOURS.
AND OVERALL WE GREW THE POPULATION BY ABOUT 19 UNITS.
THIS PAST WEEK THOUGH, I TALKED TO SOME TENANTS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE COFFEE AND DONUTS EVERY WEEK AT MISSION HILLS.
AND I WAS SPEAKING TO THE TENANTS THAT LIVE OVER RIGHT HERE.
THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN THESE BUILDINGS.
THEY ENJOY LOOKING AT THE GRASS AND THE WOODS.
WE HAD SHOWED THIS AT OUR MEETING, UH, AND THEY ASKED US IF WE WOULD NOT RUIN THEIR VIEW OF THE WOODS AND THE GRASS AREAS.
AND SO WE WOULD BE TAKING THIS BUILDING OFF OUR SITE PLAN BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ENJOY LOOKING AT THE WOODS.
AND I GUESS THERE WOULD, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT REDUCE? FOUR.
WE, WE DID THINK ABOUT ADDING A UNIT ON HERE, BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO BECAUSE IT WOULD ENCROACH INTO THE GREEN AREA HERE AND KIND OF KEEP THIS CONTINUITY AS YOU COME UP THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S A REAL NICE LOOKING AREA COMING UP THAT WAY.
BUT THE FOUR, THE FOUR UNITS YOU REMOVING ARE NOT PART OF THE 59? YEAH, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE A PART OF THE 50 DOWN TO 54.
YEAH, IT JUST HAPPENED ON TUESDAY'S.
WE TALKED ABOUT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF DIVIDED INTO FOUR INTERRELATED COMMUNITIES.
THAT BUILDING IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF PLACE.
IT'S STICKING OUT LIKE A SOURCE.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
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OF UNIT ONE? WHAT'S THAT SIR? YOU ARE ELIMINATING UNIT ONE? YEAH.FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE ELIMINATING BUILDING NUMBER ONE AS DEPICTED ON THE, IT HAS FOUR UNITS OR IT HAS FOUR UNITS.
SO THAT TAKES, SO THAT TAKES THE NUMBER OF UNITS WITHIN PHASE FOUR OF MISSION HILLS FROM 59 UNITS PER THE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE DOWN NINE UNITS IN TERMS OF THE PATIO HOME.
SO THE OVERALL INCREASE NOW IS ALWAYS, YOU EXPLAINED THE REASON WHY.
UM, QUITE, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
SHOW ME ON YOUR DI WHERE THE WETLANDS, WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY COME CLOSE TO WHERE THESE NEW UNITS WOULD GO.
SHOW HERE ARE THESE NEW UNITS, WHERE ARE WE? WETLANDS.
OKAY, SO THIS, THESE HATCHED AREAS RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE THE SETBACKS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND SO WE DON'T TOUCH OR ENCROACH ANY OF THE WETLANDS.
AND THOSE ARE FEDERAL WETLANDS.
THEY DON'T COME WITH THE REQUIRED A HUNDRED FOOTAGES.
AND WHAT'S THE DISTANCE TO THE UNITS? YEAH, BETWEEN THE UNITS.
UM, THESE HERE, LIKE, UH, COMING DOWN THE FIRST MAIN ROAD, UM, BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE 75 FEET OF DISTANCE AND THEY ENCROACHED DOWN TO 57.
THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE SITTING APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 25.
DAVE, CAN YOU COME BACK HERE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I, I WAS JUST, I I COULD SEE IT PRETTY WIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OH, IT'S THERE.
OUR SETBACK, OUR SETBACK IS ABOUT 25 FEET DOWN THE FRONT.
SO YOU CAN PARK ONE CAR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN THEY COULD PARK A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I DID DRIVE DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME IN THE GARAGE.
I DID DRIVE DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OVER OFF OF HOWARD ROAD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW WAS ALL THIS CONFUSION.
'CAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE SITTING, YOU KNOW, TOO CLOSE, TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND THEY CAN'T GET THE CAR AND THE TAIL END OF THE CAR HANGS INTO THE ROAD.
AND THEN DURING THE HOLIDAYS IT'S LOOKS PRETTY JOSTLED.
SO WE WERE, ANY AREAS THAT WE CAN PUT ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO A CALL FOR, WE WERE GONNA PUT FOUR EXTRA SLOTS HERE.
WE MIGHT PUT UP SIX EXTRA SLOTS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TAKE FOR SOME GUEST PARKING.
DURING THE, SO WE DO HAVE SHOW VARIOUS BANKS WITH GUEST PARKING.
WE HAVE FOUR SPACES HERE, FIVE SPACES HERE, FOUR SPACES THERE.
THERE HAVE SOME SPACES THAT SHOW ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLUBHOUSE WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH GUEST PARKING.
UH, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
HOW, HOW MANY HANDICAP DO WE HAVE? WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT'S BY STATE CODE.
AND THE BILLING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS THAT ONE.
USUALLY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMES OUT AND THEY TELL US, WE'D LIKE TO SEE ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE.
WHEN WE WERE BUILDING CAM, YOUR ENGINEERING REVIEW MEMO TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, RIGHT? THE ISSUE OF THE SETBACK OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE ROAD.
AND THERE'S SOME CONCERN AS WHAT YOU POINTED OUT, WE'VE HAD PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT HAVE FAILED BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE CARS GOING ACROSS THE, WELL CAMMY, WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW? UH, WELL THE ISSUE YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU SEE SOME PROJECTS WHERE THE CARS ARE STRUGGLING TO PARK AND THEY'RE HANGING OVER THE ROAD.
THE WHAT PEOPLE DON'T CONSIDER IS THE SIDEWALK.
AND WHAT WE END UP WITH IS THE CARS THAT FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY BUT FIT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK AND THAT BECOMES THE CONCERN.
WELL, HERE'S SOME OF MY TAKE THAT I SEE YOU HAVE, YOU APPROVED SOME PROJECTS WITH NO SIDEWALKS WHATSOEVER.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A PLAN FOR DECISION.
WELL WE, WE HAVE PLANNED, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT OUR PROJECT IS WE HAVE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY.
THE IDEA IS WE WANTED TO CREATE A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CONCEPT.
WE'RE ALL SENIOR CITIZENS AND THE SIDEWALKS GET WELL USED IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO EVEN THROUGH THE PATIO HOME DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND ON THE OPPOSITE.
SO DAVE, ARE WE ENVISIONING SIDEWALKS HERE? ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO THE, I JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE THE COMMENT FROM CAMMY IS LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FRONT YARD AND STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES AREN'T BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.
WE'LL GET TO AND ARE YOU COUNTING ON TWO CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY OR ONE CAR? WELL SOME UNITS HAVE TWO.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY UH, YOUR DEPARTMENT WAS THE SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS PHASE FOUR TO THE PREVIOUS PHASE SURE.
AND THEN IT COMES IN AND HUGS THE ROAD THROUGH THE PRO PROJECT.
AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TAMMY, BUT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO BOB MORE THAN I DID.
SO THE ENGINEER THOUGHT THAT THAT SIDEWALK SHOULD BE FIVE FEET AWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH, NOT JUST, YEAH.
WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT START ALL THE WAY OUT HERE AT CAMP ROAD COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH, THEY SWITCH OVER TO THIS SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEN THEY CONTINUE DOWN THIS SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEN THEY SWITCH BACK OVER AND THEY GO OVER TO THE PATIO HOMES AND THEN THEY WORK
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THEIR WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH HIS COMMENT WAS ON THE PLANS.IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS THE TWO PHASES IS FIVE FEET OFF OF THE PRIVATE ROAD, BUT THEN IT COMES IN AND HUGS THE PRIVATE ROAD THROUGH HERE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON THIS BOARD, BUT IT DOES ON THE PLANS.
WELL ONE OF THE IDEAS IS AS FAR AS SNOW REMOVAL IS, IS WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED.
WE WANTED TO MAKE THESE SIDEWALKS, UH, IN THIS PHASE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THESE SIDEWALKS A GREAT INSTEAD OF FIRST AS HAVING A CURB.
'CAUSE WE NOTICED A LOT OF THE SENIORS.
AND WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR SNOW REMOVAL, ONE OF THE THINGS OVER HERE IS A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LIVE HERE WILL USE THEIR GARAGE.
I NOTICED IF YOU HAVE A MIXED USE PROJECT OR WHAT I CALL A MARKET RATE UNIT PROJECT, I LOOKING AT ONE OVER IN WEST SENECA OFF FLAT ECKER ROAD.
THE GARAGES ARE ALL CONSUMED BY BOXES IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL GOODS.
THEY'RE USING IT LIKE STORAGE, A STORAGE AREA.
AND THE CARS ARE SITTING, MULTICAR ARE SITTING OUTSIDE.
THE SENIORS, A LOT OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY PROBABLY DISPERSED OR CUT DOWN ON A LOT OF THEIR STUFF, EITHER THROUGH SALES OR WHEN THEY WERE DOWNSIZING.
I'M ALL USING THEIR GARAGES WHEN IT'S AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
AND THEY'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THIS ATTACHED GARAGE.
WE HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MISSION HILLS.
WE COULD HAVE 150 AND THEY'D ALL BE FILLED.
BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO, TO DO WITH THE SIDEWALK NOT BEING FIVE FEET? WELL THE SIDEWALK IDEA WAS IS THAT IF WE, IF YOU WANTED A GRASS AREA, LIKE THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT, GRASS AND THEN SIDEWALK FIVE FEET, WHEN WE GO TO PLOW, WE'D LIKE TO RUN OUR PLOW EDGE RIGHT DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
AND PLOW AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS FIGHTING THE GRASS AREA AND YOU KNOW, TEAR THE SIDE UP THERE.
YOU KNOW, SO IF THIS WAS A PUBLIC STREET, IT WOULD MEET RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN STANDARD FOR A PUBLIC STREET AND THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET OFF IT.
THE CONCERN IS RIGHT NEXT TO, I THINK IT'S BUILDING SIX.
THEY SHOW THE SIDEWALK MOVING FROM THAT DISTANCE CAN SEE THIS.
YEAH, RIGHT HERE I SEE IT COMING OVER.
SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN'T BUILD IT THAT WAY.
IT'S JUST THAT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE NEED YOU TO, TO TELL US IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH A SIDEWALK THAT IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL OUR STANDARD STREET BECAUSE IT'S PRI GOTCHA.
PRIVATE VERSUS FROM AN ENGINEER.
IF IT WAS PUBLIC, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC, I'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT GREEN SWIFTS.
SO HE IS ASKING SORT OF THAT ELIMINATION OF THAT GREEN SPACE YOU SEE.
DOES, DOES THAT TAKE AWAY FROM THE, THE SAFETY ISSUE THOUGH? IS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE INVOLVED? WELL THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY A PUBLIC STREAM.
TELL ME IF WE, IF WE ALLOW THAT AND SOMEBODY GETS HIT, ARE WE LIABLE IN ANY WAY FOR NOT MAKING THEM HAVE THAT? THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DISCUSS PROBABLY PRIVATELY.
UM, BUT I, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY A WORK SESSION.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE INFORMATION.
WHAT THE DISTANCE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE SCALE OFF OF THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT FROM HERE IS IT A THREE FOOT OR FIVE FOOT FROM THE PAVEMENT EDGE ON YOUR TYPICAL PUMP ON TYPICAL IS FIVE FIVE.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING WE'VE BUILT SO FAR HAS BEEN FIVE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
AND PROBABLY YOUR OTHER SECTION RIGHT THERE IS PROBABLY, YEAH, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
SO HERE IT'S FIVE AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN MAKE THE REQUEST TO HAVE IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WOULD BE DONE A PLAN WHERE POINT WE'LL TAKE WE'LL SEE SIDEWALK.
RATHER THAN, LET'S NOT GET INTO A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
LET US, WE NOW ARE AWARE THE POINT I THINK WE, AND IT'S PARTIALLY TO MAKE THEM FAIR ENOUGH.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY THE DISTANCE WAS BETWEEN THE BACK OF LIKE THREE, FOUR AND FIVE AND THE WETLAND THREE, FOUR AND FIVE? I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD SAY IT'S, I MEAN IT'S IN SOME INSTANCES 20 TO 25 FEET.
ONE INCH EQUALS 40 FEET ON THE SCALE.
IS THAT DASH LINE THE PART OF THE WETLAND? YOU ARE.
BUT JUST BETWEEN THE EDGE TO THE WETLAND AND THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
LIKE TOUCHING A LITTLE UNIT THREE AND THERE'S A BIT THAT TOUCHES UNIT FOUR.
ARE THOSE WETLAND IMPACT STATES? THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING TOO.
SO IT WOULD MEAN WE IT'S NOT WE HAVE TO CHECK.
AND A LITTLE BIT I THINK BEHIND.
CAN YOU JUST MOVE? SO LET, SO LET ME SUMMARIZE WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
THE QUESTION IS, IT APPEARS BASED ON THIS PLAN THAT A PORTION OF THE FEDERAL WETLAND BOUNDARY GOES HERE AND HERE.
AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THE WETLAND CONSULTANT IS SAYING WE PROBABLY NEED AN IMPACT FOR THIS AREA, IN THIS AREA.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THE DISTANCE, WHICH WE, I WILL MEASURE BUT 20 ISH FEET I THINK.
YEAH, WE'LL ASK FOR THAT TO BE LABELED.
THAT WHICH I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE IMPACTING THE WETLAND JUST FOR GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, WELL WHAT DISTANCE ARE YOU SAYING? YEP.
SO THAT THEY CAN DISCUSS IT ON LABEL AND YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT INTO SOME COLOR SPORTS.
BOB, BRING US BACK, BACK TOGETHER.
IS THAT, IS THIS SKETCH PLAN YOU'RE PROVIDING YOUR COMMENTS ON IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE APPLICATION,
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THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE.SO BRING YOUR CONCERNS UP, UM, JUST FROM AN ISSUE OF WE'RE STILL ABOVE WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO AS SEAN HAS SAID, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
UH, SARAH HAS GIVEN YOU THE FINDING STATEMENT.
YOU HAVE TO REVIEW THE FINDING STATEMENT AND YOU YOU'LL DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO SAY THAT CHANGE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT OR THAT CHANGE IS, IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
WE CAN ISSUE A EGG DECK OR SAY IT'S INSTANT PERFORMANCE.
SO THAT'S WHY SARAH GAVE YOU THE FINDING STATEMENT.
YOU SHOULD LOOK THROUGH THAT AND SAY, BY THEM ADDING FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS, IS THAT GONNA CAUSE READ THROUGH ALL THE FINDINGS? IS THAT GONNA CAUSE SOME PROBLEM THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THAT FINDINGS PROPERLY THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? SO THAT'S THE BIG DEAL.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE REDUCED THAT IMPACT EVEN MORE.
TAKE A LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK FIVE UNITS IS GONNA AFFECT TRAFFIC, BUT IT COULD AFFECT SOME OTHER THINGS AND WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CHARGED WITH DOING.
AND AGAIN, WE WON'T DO THAT TILL THEY DECIDE TO MAKE APPLICATION WHEN THEY MAKE THAT OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WOULD ADVISE YOU GUYS TO DO THE SAME THING.
I'M SURE SEAN HAS GOING THROUGH THAT FINDING TO SAY, HEY, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF HAVING FIVE MORE UNITS IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? YEP.
UM, SO AND AGAIN, WE WON'T BE UPDATING THE PLAN TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY REMOVE, REMOVE WHAT'S CURRENTLY DENOTED AS BUILDING ONE.
AND WE'LL WORK ON THE SIDEWALK, PUT SOME NUMBERS AND STUFF.
SO THESE ARE ALL RENTAL UNITS? YES.
AND IS THE ENTIRE COMPLEX STEP, STAGE 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.
THEY ALL ARE RENTALS ONE AND TWO.
PHASE ONE AND TWO ARE RENTALS.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE PATIO OF THEM IS FOR SALE LOT.
OKAY, NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I BELIEVE THIS PHASE IS GONNA FALL UNDER THE TOWN'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAW.
SO 10% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE RENTS.
AND YOU TALKED TO CHRIS HALL ON THAT.
DO YOU WANNA COME BACK AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS? YES.
I WILL SEE THE G PETERSON AND WE'LL GET, GET THE WORK ON IT TOMORROW.
I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT THE INPUT WAS.
THERE WHERE MAKE A MOTION ON A BOARD.
IS THERE ANY WAY I GET A COPY THAT MEMO OR DO YOU WANNA EMAIL TO ME TOMORROW, SIR? YEAH, I DON'T NEED IT NOW.
TAKE UM, DO YOU WANNA DO OTHER BUSINESS? YEAH, SIX MINUTES.
SO WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM A YOUNG MAN WHO WANTS TO USE 57 35 MELEE DRIVE.
YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, A LITTLE STATEMENT THAT HE SENT ME IN A PICTURE.
HE WAREHOUSES, AND YOU CAN READ THIS YOURSELF, BUT HE BUYS OVERSTOCK ITEMS FROM PLACES LIKE TARGET AND I DON'T KNOW, AMAZON.
AND THEN HE RESELLS THEM IN, BUYS THEM IN PALLETS AND KEEPS THEM IN THE PALLETS AND THEN BRINGS THEM TO THE, TO HIS LOCATION.
AND HE THEN SELLS THEM WHERE, UM, WHOLESALE.
SO YOU'D GO ON HIS WEBSITE AND HE'D TELL YOU FOR THIS DAY OR THAT DAY, THIS IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND YOU COME AND PICK IT UP AND GO, UH, ROGER, ROGER HAS ASKED THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR THIS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
DO YOU ALL KNOW, UH, LET'S SEE IF YOU GO DOWN, IF YOU GO DOWN LEGION DRIVE, UM, WHERE IT SPLITS WITH MELU, GO DOWN MELU AND RIGHT ON THE CORNER, RIGHT WHERE IT TURNS TO THE RIGHT, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S A BUILDING THAT SAYS FISHER SOMETHING.
UM, IT HAS TWO OVERHEAD DOORS ON THE, ON ON ITS NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S THE AREA THE BUILDING USED.
SO IT'S NOT A RETAIL TYPE OF THING, IT'S JUST A STORY.
YOU'D COME AND YOU'D AND AND HE HAS SHOWED YOU THESE PICTURES.
SO A COMPANY WOULD COME AND SO HE WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD INPUT ON WHETHER YOU THINK AND HOW LONG'S HE BEEN IN BUSINESS? HE HASN'T OH.
I ASKED ROGER TODAY IF HE SUPPORTS A WAIVER, IF THAT'S WHY.
HE JUST WANTS HIM FROM YOU TO SEE IF YOU OH, ROGER.
HE WOULDN'T SEND THIS TO YOU FOR IF HE THOUGHT IT NEEDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BY THE WAY, BY THE WAY, I HANDED OUT TWO MEETINGS AGO.
YOU SHOULD, I'LL HAVE IN THAT PACKET I GET, AND YOU GUYS KNOW IS THE SITE PLAN WAIVER POLICY.
AND WHEN ROGER CALLED ME, HE SAID BASICALLY IT'S A REUSE OF BUILDING.
I'M SORRY I YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET FROM THAT FIRST MEETING I GAVE YOU, THIS IS THE POLICY ABOUT SITE PLAN WAIVER.
SO BASICALLY ROGER CALLED ME AND
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BASICALLY WE'RE HAVING A MEETING UP HERE, BASICALLY SAID IN THIS SCENARIO, HE CAN REFER THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS KNOWING THE BUILDING LOCATION, ET CETERA.HE IS JUST REUSING THE BUILDING.
I EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS TO ROGER ABOUT JUST MAKING SURE TRUCK ACCESS AND WHATEVER.
'CAUSE HE DOES BRING IN PALLETS, RIGHT? SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT, SO HE WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU RECOMMEND A SITE PLAN WAIVER, YOUR PLANNING BOARD CHAIR WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS ALONG WITH SARAH AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ALL WOULD'VE TO SIGN OFF ON THE SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR THEM TO GET A SITE PLAN.
USUALLY, USUALLY THEY ARE, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE MINOR, MINOR PROJECTS, MINOR THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING.
IF IT IS AN ADDITION, IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
DOUG, ANY COMMENTS? COULD HE SEND ME THE WAIVER? UH, MARGO CAN I COMMENTS? I JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY TRYING TO WAIVE A SITE PLAN OF.
IS HE USING AN EXISTING BUILDING? IS HE ACCEPTING A BUILDING? IS BUILDING, BUILDING? NO, HE'S JUST GONNA BE USING, UH, UH, THERE'S A BUILDING THERE NOW EXISTING.
HE JUST WANTS TO LEASE SPACE IN THAT BUILDING.
SO HE'S NOT BUILDING ANYTHING THAT'S HELPFUL.
WE, WE CREATED THIS PROCESS YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE WAS ALWAYS A KIND OF A QUESTIONING OF WHY DID THE BUILDING INSPECTOR GIVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS ONE? AND WHY DID THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MAKE HIM COME TO THE, BECAUSE IT IS HIS DECISION COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE ESTABLISHED A PROCESS WHERE, OKAY, IT'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON MAKING A DECISION.
THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM.
THEY CAN MOVE INTO THIS EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE PEOPLE QUESTION IT THAT THERE WAS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS THAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING, OH, THIS PERSON HAD TO COME AND NOT, SO WE ESTABLISHED A PROCESS THAT INVOLVES YOU AND INVOLVES THOSE FOUR ENTITIES OF SAYING, OKAY, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AS SOMETHING MOVING INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING.
AND IF ROGER SENDS THIS TO, IF HE ASKS ME TO SEND TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, THEN HE IS SUPPORTIVE OF A SITE PLAN LATER.
IF HE WASN'T, HE WOULDN'T SEND IT.
SO THIS FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF REUSE.
NO EXTERIOR CHANGES, DIFFERENT USE.
MY QUESTION IS HE, HOW'S HE GONNA OFFER THESE? ARE THEY COMING IN BY TRACTOR TRAILER? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I ASKED, DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE OF THE TROPHY BRINGING STUFF, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? ROGER SAID, WELL, WE WOULD HAVE PUT CAMMI ON THE SPOT.
WE WOULD'VE CAMMI MAKE SURE THAT AND REVIEW IT.
MAKE SURE THERE'S TURNING RADIUSES AND WHATEVER FOR TRUCKS BEHIND THE BUILDING.
I DON'T, I I DIDN'T GO BEHIND THE BUILDING.
I DIDN'T GO BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THERE WAS WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
YOU COULD ALSO SEND IT WITH QUESTIONS FOR THAT.
MAKE SURE THESE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.
HE'S NOT TALKING A PICKUP TRUCK, HE'S TALKING.
I DUNNO WHAT HE, SO CAMMY WOULD BE STANDING THERE BETWEEN THEM AND IN SHE HAS TO SIGN THAT PLAN WAIVER FORCE.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? THEY DO NEED MY SIGNATURE.
EITHER, BUT SHE WANTS TO KNOW FROM YOU.
AND I WOULD WANNA KNOW FROM YOU WHERE SARAH DOES, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA SIGN THIS FORM, MAKE SURE THE ADDRESS BILL ALSO HAS TO SIGN THE FORM APPOINT TO BOB, BUT IT'S BILL WHO JUST SITTING THERE HAS TO SIGN THE FORM ALSO AND HE ALSO RELAYS ANY CONCERNS OF THE PLANNING COURT.
AND USUALLY BILL WON'T SIGN IT UNLESS ROGER AND CAMMY ARE OKAY WITH IT.
ONE, ONE LAST THING I HAVE NOW, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY BRING ALL THESE PALLETS IN, THERE'S, THERE'S EGRESS IN AND OUT IN CASE OF A FIRE.
WELL WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT THAT THAT ON.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THE PLAN'S RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S NOT GONNA BE THERE WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS UP TO DELIVER, DELIVER STUFF.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN THAT WORKS.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR SHOW UP EVERY TIME SOMEONE DELIVERS SOMETHING AND SETS SOMETHING DOWN.
OH NO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT FISH AND YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING IF THEY'RE, THEY BUTTED RIGHT UP, HOW DO YOU GET OUTTA THEIR EMERGENCY? WELL THEY WOULD HAVE TO AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HIM MARK AN AREA AND SAY, THERE'LL BE NOTHING STORED HERE BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR ACCESS TO THE BUILDING.
YOU FIRE LANES, FIRE LANES AND WHATEVER.
WHAT YOU CAN ASK, WHAT YOU CAN ASK THEM TO DO TOO IS JUST GET INFORMATION LIKE THAT BEFORE IT'S SIGNED AND THEN, AND IF THERE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THEN OKAY, THANK YOU.
I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M THINKING IS, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT UM, WHAT NUMBER OF UH, SORT OF TRUCKS OR, OR LARGE VEHICLES WOULD BE ACTUALLY COMING TO THIS PLACE AND PICKING THINGS UP.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SORT OF RESTRICTIONS ON WHEN THEY CAN DO EITHER.
SO LIKE, IF THIS IS A BUSINESS HOUR SITUATION, WELL IT'S, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT PROBABLY ONLY NOISE CODE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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WE CANNOT RESTRICT BUILDING OPERATIONAL HOURS.YOU CANNOT, NOT TALKING ABOUT RESTRICTING THEM, BUT IT'S, IT'S INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IN THE SITELINE WAIVER PROCESS THAT WE FIND OUT THE TYPE OF TRUCKS HE IS DELIVERING AND HOW MANY TRUCKS.
AND AS, AS MR. CHAPMAN SAID ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROOM AND THERE'S AREAS MARKED OFF TO MAINTAIN THE FIRE LANES AND ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS.
AND THE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO FORMAL DECISION MADE MADE BY YOU.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MAKES A FORMAL DECISION, BUT YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, SAY, HEY, WE HAVE ALL THESE CONCERNS.
OR IF YOU WERE REALLY CONCERNED, YOU WOULD SAY, WE DO NOT WANT A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
WE WANT THIS COMING TO THE PLANET COURT.
THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WE WOULD LIKE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UM, I I I THE, THE APPLICANT I GUESS CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE THIS IS OUTTA BUSINESS.
TONY WORKS WITH YES, BUT I'VE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT, UM, THEY USE A, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER, BUT THE OVERHEAD DOORS ARE SO HIGH THAT THE TRACTOR TRAILER WOULD BACK RIGHT IN TO THE BUILDING SO IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE STREET AND THERE WOULD BE A LARGE, A VERY LARGE AREA IN FRONT OF THERE FOR PEOPLE.
BUT THEY'D HAVE TO BE PULLING IT OUT AS HE OFFLOADS.
BUT ONCE THEY START TAKING THOSE OFF, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THAT TO MAKE RULES FOR THE PALLET AND HE'S NOT GONNA OFFLOAD THE WHOLE DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE.
THERE'S ROOM FOR MORE DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS OURSELVES.
SO WE, WE PUT THIS ON THE BACK OF THE MEETING POSSIBLY AND HE HE CAN SPEAK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND EXPLAIN YEAH.
WITHOUT TAKING WAIVER OFF THE TABLE.
I THINK THAT'S A POTENTIALLY A VERY APPROPRIATE YOUR DISCUSSIONS MEETING.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL WITH THIS.
IT'S NOTHING BUT ALMOST INDUSTRIAL.
SO IT'S IT'S A DEAD END STREET AND THERE'S ALL THE, ALL THE BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE APPROVE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THEY'RE ALL, THERE'S MORE CONCERN THERE I WOULD THINK THAN THIS THING WE YEAH.
WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT NOT I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHY, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT WITH THE OTHER ONES? BUT WHEN YOU DID THE OTHER ONES, THERE YOU GO.
WE WON'T, WE WON'T GET INTO THAT TODAY.
OKAY, WE'LL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION.
WE'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS.
THE WAIVERS NOT OFF THE TABLE.
SO COULD WE ALL PLEASE HAVE HAMBURG? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS OUR NATION UNDER GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
BOB, YOU WANNA MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO IS BIG TABLE.
SO THERE SOMEONE HERE THEY DON'T AROUND FOR THAT? YEAH.
UM, OUR, OUR REGULAR MEETING TODAY, UH, THE BUFFALO SOLAR IS TABLED.
THERE WILL BE NO DISCUSSION ON THAT THIS MEETING TODAY.
UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, SINATRA COMPANY REAL ESTATE REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOP THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER IM CONSUMPTION CONVENT INTO A MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING WITH RELATED SUPPORT SERVICES AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
HI EVERYONE, MY NAME'S KIM MASON.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH PHILLIPS SIDLE REPRESENTING SINATRA TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE MATT CONNORS HERE, VP OF DEVELOPMENT WITH SINATRA AND COMPANY AND THEN CHRIS WOULD AS WELL WHO, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION.
ALREADY AT A COUPLE MEETINGS, UM, AS WE LOOK TO MOVE TO FORMAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, UM, WE TALKED WITH SARAH AND SHE SUGGESTED WE COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD ONE LAST TIME BEFORE FORMAL FILING TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S RECOLLECTION BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS BACK IN THE SUMMER OF 2021, UM, THAT THE PROJECT WAS HERE.
BEFORE WE GET INTO DETAILS UPDATES, I JUST WANNA LET MATT INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO YOU ALL.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY AS KIM SAID, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT HAS REMAINED THE SAME IN IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
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OF THIS SITE PLAN, WHICH, UH, CHRIS WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT STILL WILL FEATURE 136 MARKET RATE UNITS, 125 SENIOR LIVING AND THEN 57,000 SQUARE FOOT KIND OF, WE'RE CALLING IT THE THRIVING IN PLACE CENTER, WHICH AFTER A FEW POSITIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HILBERT COLLEGE, UH, BOARD, THEY HAD GIVEN US SOME DIRECTION TO ESSENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE SOME TYPE OF HEALTH WELLNESS CENTER WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, NOT ONLY THE STUDENTS TO BE ACTIVE ON THE SITE BUT ALSO UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE A CATHOLIC HEALTH OR KALEIDA OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT, THOSE LINES FOR ATTENDANCE FROM AN OFFICE STANDPOINT.SO, UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, WE MAY REMAIN VERY COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT.
A SLIGHT TWEAK JUST IN TERMS OF, UH, OUR CONSTRUCTION SINATRA DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THIS.
AND UH, I'LL BE WORKING KIND OF HAND IN HAND AS A PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I CAN TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS FOR ANY OF THE SPECIFICS REGARDING THE SITE.
BUT, UH, AS TIM STATED, IT REMAINS, UH, MOSTLY THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE LAST ITERATION YOU SAW.
JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE HISTORY FROM THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WERE ON THE BOARD BEFORE THERE WAS A PROJECT APPROVED HOW MANY YEARS AGO? FOUR OR FIVE? YEAH.
TOWN HOMES JUST OVER, OVER HERE.
SO THIS IS A WHOLE NEW PLAN FOR THE WHOLE SITE.
SO JUST AS SOMEBODY REMEMBER THAT, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER AND I SAID, OH YEAH, THEY ABANDONED THAT, THAT, THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED THERE.
YEAH, JUST I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY ELSE'S MEMORY, UH, THE PROJECT'S ABOUT 20 ACRES ZONED R THREE.
SO IT'S ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY.
UH, WE HAVE 17 MARKET RATE UNITS THAT ARE 8, 8 8 UH, UNITS IN EACH BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S A MIX OF ONES AND TWOS, ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. UM, THEN WE HAVE THE THREE STORY SENIOR BUILDING, WHICH IS 125 UNITS.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 549 PARKING SPACES.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN NORMALLY WHAT THE RATIO IS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE MARKET RATE, WE HAVE ABOUT 3.3 SPACES PER UNIT IN THE AREAS AROUND THOSE MARKET RATE BUILDINGS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE TWO EXISTING CURB CUTS ON SOUTH SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
WE'LL, WE'LL UPGRADE THOSE TO DOT STANDARDS 'CAUSE UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OLDER, ANTIQUATED TYPE WITHOUT THE PROPER RADIUSS.
SO, AND WE ALSO ARE GONNA REUTILIZE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOLES.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN EASEMENT THAT WE BENEFIT FROM FOR THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BACK TO BERT COLLEGE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SERIES OF WALKING TRAILS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A COMMUNITY BUILDING WHICH, UM, THE SENIOR PEOPLE AND THE MARKET RATE PEOPLE CAN USE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A SERIES OF DETACHED GARAGES THROUGHOUT THE SITE, WHICH WILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT FOR FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO RENT THOSE.
UM, KIND OF FROM SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE GOT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE MOVED THIS DETENTION BASIN BACK A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SAVE THESE TREES ALONG SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
THERE'S A STAND OF PINE TREES THERE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDED THESE LANDSCAPE BERMS ALONG HERE IN, IN A FEATURE WITH A LITTLE WALL UP ON THE CORNER NEAR THE CIRCLE, KIND OF TO MAKE IT MORE OF A PROMINENT, UM, ITEM ON, ON THAT, AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THE ROAD THERE, THEY'RE FACING INTERNAL, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE PROFILE IN THE BACK OF THOSE BUILDINGS PLUS THE LANDSCAPE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOUR SIDED BUILDINGS AND THEY ALL HAVE PRIVATE ENTRANCES.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, YOUR TYPICAL FOUR UP AND FOUR DOWN WITH A COMMON ENTRANCE WHERE YOU GO IN AND THEY ALL, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR, THEIR OWN, UH, INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES AND PORCHES, EVEN IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU LIVE UPSTAIRS.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I, YEAH, IIII LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SOULS.
DO YOU PRINT ANYTHING ON SOUTH PARK? UH, NOT, NOT AS MUCH BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ARE OTHER, ARE THERE SINGLE FAMILY AND YES.
AND DUPLEXES AND YOU SAVING THOSE PINE TREES ALL UP AND DOWN OR THERE YOU GO.
WELL, THAT'S THE PLAN, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY WE PULLED THIS ATTENTION.
THOSE ALL PINE TREES ALL UP AND DOWN THERE.
SOME OF THEM HAVE, SOME OF THEM ARE, SOME OF THEM HAVE HAVE SEEN BETTER DAYS, BUT, UH, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THE ONES THAT WE CAN SEE.
AND YOU ARE, AND IT'S HARD TO SAY IN THE DRAWING, BUT YOU ARE SAVING THE ONE BUILDING RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
WE'RE SAVING THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY THERE'S THIS, THIS LEG UP IN THE FRONT, THAT PART WILL BE GONE.
BUT AS MATT, MATT SAID, WE ARE GONNA KEEP THIS, THIS PORTION.
THAT'S A NICE AESTHETIC FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE WERE TRYING, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THIS IS A VERY PROMINENT INTERSECTION NOW, AND WE'RE ABOUT KEEPING THE AESTHETICS OF THAT.
DO YOU THERE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING RETAINED OR FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY? UH, WELL THERE'S GROTTO IN THE BACK THAT, UH, KIND OF THE, THE NUNS THAT BUILT THAT, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN.
AND UH, YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE GOOD LUCK WITH GOD
SO THIS BUILDING HERE IS A CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING, AND IF YOU WENT
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IN THERE, THE ROOMS IN THERE ARE VERY SMALL, SO IT'D BE KIND OF HARD TO, TO RENOVATE THAT INTO ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF MARKETABLE TYPE OF APARTMENT UNITS.CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON, ON THE WAY THEY'RE GONNA GET RID OF THEIR GARBAGE? ARE THEY GONNA BE DUMPSTERS OR IS THIS THE YEP.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER ADDITION SINCE WE, YOU'VE SEEN IT LAST.
WE, WE DID ADD A SERIES OF DUMPSTERS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, QUADRUPLE ONE HERE THAT WOULD SERVE THE SENIOR BUILDINGS AND, AND THE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA.
THEN WE HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER ONES THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THAT'S THE IDEA IS TO GET THEM, OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE PEOPLE WOULD JUST LEAVE IT OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
SO WE KIND OF PUT 'EM CLOSE TO THE UNITS OR ON A PATH THAT THEY WOULD DRIVE BY AS THEY WERE LEAVING CHRIS ON THAT CORNER THERE WITH THE, WITH THE BURN WITH THE WALL.
YOU'RE HAVE LIKE, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGN OR SOMETHING THERE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE ENVISION, RIGHT? HOW HOW HIGH? UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DEFINED.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST PROBABLY THREE FEET HIGH UP BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVE FLOWERS OR WHATEVER, SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPE.
AND THE IDEA IS THE BERM WILL BE BEHIND THE WALL.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME MANUALS.
THEY, I'M JUST, OKAY, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THERE'S HOW HIGH THE WALL, ONCE WE DO THE, THE, THE, THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT ALL THAT STUFF WILL BE CALLED OUT AND SIDEWALKS IN THAT AREA.
THERE'S SIDEWALK NOW OR YOU'RE PUTTING THEM, UH, THERE IS NOT SIDEWALKS ON ON SOUTH PARK.
KIND OF THE SAME I SAME IDEAS AS WHAT WE DID FOR MAC.
PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN THERE.
AND THEN YOU ALSO GO DOWN THE, UH, THE SIDE ROAD, SOLES ROAD.
RIGHT? UH, THERE WHERE IS THERE SIDEWALKS? THERE ISN'T, NOT SIDEWALKS THERE.
AND WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON PUTTING 'EM ON SOS I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DID ON THE OTHER PROJECT, WHETHER WE ASKED YOU TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN OR NOT, OR JUST THE WALKING AREA.
I HAVE THOSE PLANS AND I I DIDN'T SEE A SIDEWALK ON THERE.
THERE IS A DITCH THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN DOWN SOS ROAD.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU KEEP GOING THIS WAY, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH KEEP IN MIND.
SO YOU HAVE TO PRESENT WHY THIS PLANNING BOARD.
THE LAW IS YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN UNLESS THIS PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S A BIG ISSUE ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
SO I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU, THERE IS, THERE IS A BUS STOP TOO THAT WE'RE RELOCATING UP ON, ON SOUTH PARK.
WHERE IS THAT GONNA GO? WHAT'S THAT? WHERE'S THE BUS STOP GOING? THE BUS STOP WILL BE BY THIS DRIVEWAY HERE.
AND WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALK, INTERNAL SIDEWALK THAT OKAY.
YOU KNOW, COLLECTS FOLKS IN HERE THAT THEY CAN MAKE THEIR WAY UP.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER BUS STOP UP AT THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE TOO.
AND THERE'S ONE AT IMMACULATA, RIGHT? THAT OAKS SOUTH PARK IS ONE UP THERE TOO.
ARE THERE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, THERE'S SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THAT CONNECT ALL THE BUILDINGS TO ALL THE COMMON AREAS AND THE WALKING TRAILS.
I MEAN THERE'S SIDEWALKS ALONG ALL THE PARKING ALONG ALL THE BUILDINGS MAINTAINED BY, MAINTAINED BY THE, BY THE DEVELOPER WHERE WE GO, YES.
ALRIGHT, REMEMBER THIS GUY, THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN.
WE'RE GIVING THEM A MUCH, WHAT WHAT WE CAN OF CONCERN SO CHRIS CAN FINALIZE THE PLANS AND MAKE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO BIG THINGS THAT HE CAN ADDRESS, THEY'LL SPIT 'EM OUT.
NOW I THINK YOU'RE GONNA WANNA INCLUDE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE WITH THE NEW BOARD, PART OF THE THING IS THEY WANNA MAKE CONNECTIVITY, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND I KNOW THAT THEY MIGHT GIVE US A HARD TIME IF WE TRY TO WAIVE THIS.
YEAH, I WILL SAY THAT'S A CONCERN AND THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.
I MEAN, WHENEVER, UM, CONNECTIVITY CAN BE IMPROVED, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF IT WAS FEASIBLE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR THOSE PEOPLE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT OF IS THAT SOUTH PARK IS SORT OF THE PRIMARY BICYCLE COMMUTE ROUTE, UM, INTO THE CITY AND BACK TO THE CITY.
AND SO PEOPLE ARE COMING, IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION ROUTE, ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE IT? THE BIKE, BIKE RACKS AND BIKE RACK.
THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A SERIES OF BIKE RACKS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
ARE THEY IT'S PRETTY STANDARD IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION FOR THAT.
SO IS IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR? TYPICALLY NUMBER OF UNITS.
AND WE WILL, THERE IS, THERE IS SOME PRETTY GENEROUS RECREATION AREAS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
WE HAVEN'T DEFINED EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.
THEY'D BE MORE OR LESS PASSIVE RECREATION MIGHT HAVE A DOG PARK.
AGAIN, WE KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THE TRAILS.
WE DO HAVE SOME GAZEBOS AND SOME BENCHES ALONG THOSE TRAILS.
SCHOOL BUSES GONNA BE ALLOWED HERE.
UH, WE'LL INQUIRE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
UM, I MEAN I'M SURE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THAT SCHOOL BUSES COME IN THERE.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS HAMBURGER FRONTIER HAMBURGER.
FRONTIER WOULD DEFINITELY, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO THE GUY AT FRONTIER ABOUT THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THEY WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO BRING 'EM IN THERE.
THEY SAID THEY WANT MORE KIDS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN A LONG TIME, BUT IS THIS ALL ASPHALT TO BEGIN WITH? A LOT OF IT UP FRONT IS IS ASPHALT.
UM, THESE PARTS BACK HERE, NOT SO MUCH.
SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UTILITY OF THE STORM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA IN THE ALREADY GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF
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ANYTHING IN THE IMPERVIOUS, NEWLY IMPERVIOUS SPACE? RIGHT.SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO, TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS.
THIS ONE'S GONNA BE MORE WATER FEATURE, SO IT'LL BE WET.
AND, BUT IT'LL ALSO BE PART OF OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA.
AND THIS WILL BE OUR MAIN ONE UP HERE.
IT'LL BE, AND WE GOT DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE TO DC REQUIREMENTS.
WHICH REQUIRE THE TREATMENT AND THE STORAGE.
UM, IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE A DRY BASIN.
WOULD BIO RETENTION FOR THE TREATMENT PORTION.
YEAH, I WAS JUST REALIZING IT'S KIND OF OUT ON ITS OWN.
AND IF WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF ASPHALT, MAYBE THERE'S SPACE IN THE PARKING LOT FOR SOME LIKE BIORETENTION BASINS OR LIKE TRICKY PLANTING OR SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE SPACE TO RUN OFF.
YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS.
I'M JUST SORT OF THINKING, THINKING OUT LOUD.
CAM'S GONNA, CAM'S GONNA, WE'RE AN MS FOUR SO CAM'S GONNA LOOK AT ONCE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING AND THE GRADES AND EVERYTHING, THAT'LL KIND OF DETERMINE WHERE EVERYTHING CAN KIND OF GO.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING OVER HERE.
FEEL LIKE HE DOESN'T, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE UP SLOPE, BUT I, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN A LONG TIME.
IT'S PRETTY, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT ONCE, ONCE WHERE GETS FARTHER IN THE DESIGN.
SO YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT THE, YOUR FINAL LAYOUT LOOKS LIKE WITH WATER IN IT.
AND, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORD BUT WHAT MARGARET WAS ASKING AND MAYBE PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FEATURES THAN WHAT'S JUST STANDARD REQUIRED BY LAW.
COULD YOU CONSIDER SOME OTHER GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT MARGARET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH, TOTALLY.
JUST THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF NEW PARKING LOTS.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA COLLECT ALL THAT.
SO I GOTTA GO THROUGH SOMETHING BEFORE IT GOES OUT.
AND CHRIS, YOU KNOW MY PREFERENCE ON THE, ON THE PASSIVE GREEN SPACE, DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? COMMUNITY GUARD GUARD BY THE SENIOR THING.
PUT AN ATRI AT THE, WHAT'S THAT? PUT AN ATRIUM WITH THE RATTLE IT GOOD
GOOD RATTLES A SPOT FOR DETENTION BASIN.
YOU DO YOU WANNA FLOOD IT THOUGH? WE CAN MAKE AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE.
SO CHRIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OBVIOUSLY DO SEEKER ON THIS AND IT'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY CLASS IT AS A TYPE ONE ACT TIME AND LOOKED AT IT.
SO WE'LL BE DOING COORDINATOR REVIEW AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER WE HAVE QUESTIONS DOUG? OR DO YOU WANNA COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR SITE APPROVAL OR DO YOU NEED SOME? NO, WE NEED TO FINISH ENGINEERING
OKAY, I'LL, I'LL CHRIS NEEDS AT LEAST ANOTHER WEEK TO DO THE WHOLE ENGINEERING.
YEAH, I'M GOING AWAY NEXT WEEK SO, YOU KNOW, DONE OVER THE WEEKEND.
WE, WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE TARGET.
WELL IT DEPENDS UPON YOU GETTING YOUR APPLICATION RIGHT.
WHERE WOULD YOUR MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN TABLE TILL MARCH 16TH? BE JUST TABLE IT.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST TABLE IT IN CASE THEY'RE NOT READY.
YOU MEET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT? CHRIS WANTS MAKE SURE.
AGENDA WESTFORD GROUP AUTOMOTIVE GROUP INCORPORATED READY BOARD TO ISSUE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF WESTER.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANDY GAL FROM NUSSBAUMER AND CLARK AS A BOARD RECALL, YOU HELD AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION TWO WEEKS AGO.
WHILE THERE WERE NOT ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED IN PERSON, THERE WERE VARIOUS COMMENTS RECEIVED VIA FACEBOOK.
I WOULD NOTE THAT KATE MCCORMICK DID FORWARD ME A SUMMARY OF THOSE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
SO YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING RELATIVE TO ONE OF THE TWO ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THE GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTION IN THE ZONING CODE RELATIVE TO AUTOMOTIVE USES.
I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD, PRIOR TO YOUR ISSUANCE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, THAT TO DATE THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT A DRAFT OF THE LOCAL LAW.
AND I WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ASKING THAT THAT BE BASICALLY ELIMINATED, MEANING THAT AUTOMOTIVE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE WITHOUT REGULATION.
WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT THE TOWN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.
WE THINK IT'S EXTREMELY LIMITED IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS, ALLOW IT AT SOME OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT OF COURSE STILL SUBJECTED TO APPROPRIATE
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OVERSIGHT, INCLUDING IT BEING PROPERLY ZONED, REQUIRING SITE PLAN APPROVAL, REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.AND EVEN WE'D BE WELCOME, WE'D WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF MINIMUM LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA.
I WOULD NOTE THAT I HAVE HEARD BACK FROM ONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS WE MET WITH A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND DID ADVISE HER THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA BE A PUBLIC MEETING THIS EVENING.
I THINK SHE ALSO INDICATES SHE'D SPOKEN TO SARAH.
SO I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION THAT TOWN BOARD WILL BE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENGAGE IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER.
AND THEN WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN WORK OUT SOME APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE WITH THIS, WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
IF ON THE OTHER HAND THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVES IT'S WORTHWHILE FOR US TO ENGAGE WITH THE ENGAGE IN THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU NOW OR AT A FUTURE MEETING PRIOR TO ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT SUMMARIZES WHERE WE'RE OUT IN THE PROCESS.
THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE, UH, EITHER MYSELF OR ANDY WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.
ANY QUESTION? ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD FEEL LIKE, UM, READING RESOLUTION OR I'LL A DRAFT RESOLUTION TWO 16 YEAR 2022 WESTER REZONING AND CODE AMENDMENT REQUEST WHEREAS THE HAMMOND RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP INCORPORATED TO AMEND SECTION TWO 80 DASH 32 IA OF THE ZONING CODE THAT RESTRICTS THE LOCATION OF BOTH NEW AND USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE FACILITIES ALONG WITH A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROJECT SITE FROM R TWO AND C ONE TO C TWO TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF AN AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT HAS RESUBMITTED A CONCEPT LAYOUT PLAN AND A LETTER OF INTENT REQUESTING THE REZONING BUT NOT A REZONING APPLICATION AND WHEREAS THE HAMMER TOWN BOARD REFERRED THIS APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLAIN BOARD REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AT MEETINGS IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF 2022 AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, THE TOWN CONSULTANTS, THE APPLICANT, AND THE TOWN COMMITTEES, AND HAS REQUESTED ADEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND WHEREAS THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD HAS COMPLETED ITS REVIEW AND GENERATED INFORMATION TO MAKE FINDINGS TO THE TOWN BOARD A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CODE AMENDMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD ISSUED THE FOLLOWING SUMMARIZED FINDINGS ON THE CODE AMENDMENT ARIZONA REQUEST.
IT IS A PLANNING BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REZONING WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE CHANGE IN THE CODE AS THE APPLICANT HAS SPECIFIC PLANS FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION OF THE CODE WAS ENACTED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF 1997.
THE GENERALIZED PURPOSE OF THIS CODE SECTION WAS TO CONTROL LAND USE SUCH AS NEW AND NEW CAR LOTS AND LIMIT THEIR LOCATIONS TO TARGETED AREAS OF THE TOWN.
DUE TO THESE USES, ATTRIBUTES AND IMPACTS THAT WERE TARGETED FOR AREAS THAT WERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HELP TO ACHIEVE THE TOWN'S VISION.
SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE OF 2007 DID NOT CHANGE THIS VISION, THE PLANNING BOARD CANNOT SEE AMENDING THIS CODE SECTION.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS CONCERN ABOUT ALLOWING THESE LAND USES NEAR DENSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE TOWN BOARD CAN ALSO REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD MINUTES AND RESULTS OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHICH INCLUDED NO SUPPORT FOR THE RESOLVING PROJECT OR AMENDING THE CODE.
THE HAMMER PLAN BOARD MAKES THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION.
THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE REVISION OF THE CODE.
YOU NEED A SECOND AND THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT A SECOND.
SECOND, THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU ASKED US TO PREPARE A DRAFT RESOLUTION WITH THE DIRECTION YOU GAVE US LAST MEETING? ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING YOU WANNA AMEND IN THAT, IN THAT JUST MOVE ON SOLUTION THIS THAT YOU'VE ASKED? YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTION?
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NO.UH, WE'LL VOTE ON THIS RE UH, RESOLUTIONS PRESENTED.
UH, I'M AGAINST, NO, WELL, YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
I'M, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOTION.
I, I ALSO IN FAVOR OF NOT GRANTING THE AMENDMENT, THE REVISION TO THE CODE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
RESOLUTION IS THE RECOMMENDED AGAINST REVISING THE CODE, RIGHT? NOT THE REZONING.
JUST THE AMENDMENT TO THE CODE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REVISING THE CODE, BUT I'M NOT, I GUESS I'M OKAY.
I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS AGAINST REVISING THE CODE.
WHAT DID I SAY? SO IN SUMMARY, FOUR OF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS READ BY MR. CHAPMAN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE RESOLUTION PASSES, AS SEAN MENTIONED, THIS GOES BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
TOWN BOARD CAN CHOOSE, THEY REALLY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE WHATEVER THE TOWN BOARD, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.
TOWN BOARD CAN SEND IT TO COMMITTEE TO SAY, HEY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER INPUT? DO WE WANT TO GRAB SOME DIFFERENT LAW OR WHATEVER? BUT IT'S UP TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THERE WAS NO REAL APPLICATION.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T COMMENT ON THE REZONING.
WE HAVE IT ON THE, ON THE CODE REVISION.
SO IT'S UP TO THE TOWN BOARD NOW TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.
I WILL FORWARD TO THE TOWN BOARD YOUR REASONINGS ALONG WITH THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING THAT HAS ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC PLUS A COUPLE OF OTHER, UM, EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED THIS WEEK THAT I CAN'T GIVE TO YOU BECAUSE IT WAS PASSED DEADLINE.
I WILL FORWARD ALL THAT TO THE TEMPLE.
THE BOARD GOES ALONG WITH US, THEN THE RESULT, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE RESULT.
RIGHT? YEAH, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ROOM.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, NUMBER FOUR PEOPLE H INCORPORATED LABOR BOARD TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN BOARD ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE EXISTING PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS BOARDED BY DALE ROAD, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, ROGERS ROAD AND POLAR BACK ROAD IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SEAN HOPKINS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT PEOPLE INC.
ALSO WITH ME IS JOHNSON BOS FROM PEOPLE INC.
CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, MARK BROOKS FROM LONG ASSOCIATES OF PROJECT ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
THIS PROJECT IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT AND THAT YOU DID HOLD AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
NO NEGATIVE INPUT WAS RECEIVED RELATIVE TO OUR PENDING REQUEST FOR A PUD AMENDMENT TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING AS WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT WITH THE SENIOR HOUSING COMPONENT.
WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT DOING THE CONCEPT PLAN, CONCEPTUAL ELEVATION PLANS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO YOU.
OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MEETINGS.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT YOU'RE IN POSITION THIS EVENING TO CONSIDER ISSUING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REQUEST TO AMEND THE PUD FOR THE OVERALL BRIARWOOD VILLAGE PROJECT TO THE TOWN BOARD, AS IS THE CASE FOR THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
ULTIMATELY, THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND ULTIMATELY ALSO ISSUE A DETERMINATION PURSUANT SEEKER AND DECISION ON THE PUD AMENDMENT.
IF THAT ALL WORKS OUT WELL, THEN WE'LL BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AFTER FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS HAVE BEEN PREPARED IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
JUST TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THIS COMPONENT OF THE SITE, IT DID SHOW A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.
WE THINK BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO 2022 AND GIVEN THE EXTREME NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S ONLY BEEN EXACERBATED BY, UH, THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES THEREOF.
WE THINK THERE'S VERY STRONG JUSTIFICATION FOR FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
AND AS YOU RECALL, JOCELYN DID PROVIDE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WITH A VERY DETAILED MARKER REPORT DEMONSTRATING THAT CLEARLY THERE IS A NEED.
WE DO APPRECIATE THE INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM YOU TO DATE AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THEY'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT FUTURE TIME.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE'D WELCOME DR.
I DO WANNA NOTE, GO AHEAD, JOCELYN.
WELL, JUST THAT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE US A CALL AND SARAH CAN ROOT EMAILS TO ME AND COME VISIT US, ANY OF OUR OTHER COMPLEXES.
AND WE DO APPRECIATE, I BELIEVE MR. MAHONEYS DONE THAT.
SO IF ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED, WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY.
WE THINK, WE THINK THIS WILL BE AN ATTRACTIVE AMENITY IN A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT'S MUCH NEEDED IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN.
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QUESTION? WELL, WE DO HAVE A RESOLUTION.DOES ANYBODY READ AHEAD? RESOLUTION FEBRUARY 9TH, 2022 PEOPLE INC.
PUD AMENDMENT, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM PLE INC.
FOR AMENDMENT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD FOR PROPERTY CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 3.63 ACRES FOR THE APPROXIMATELY 509 P TO FRONTAGE OF ROGERS ROAD IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT TO BE COMPRISED OF TWO THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH A TOTAL OF 84 UNITS AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, A LETTER OF INTENT REQUESTING THE AMENDMENT AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AT SEVERAL PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS RECEIVED PUBLIC INPUT AND INPUT FROM THE TOWN'S CONSULTANTS, THE APPLICANT AND TOWN COMMITTEES, WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS COMPLETED THEIR REVIEW AND BASED ON THE TOWN LAW, WISHES TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING THE AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING PUD TO THE TOWN BOARD.
NOW THEREFORE, HE RESOLVED THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES THE FOLLOWING SUMMARIZED FINDINGS SLASH REPORT ON THE AMENDMENT REQUEST.
NUMBER ONE, THE ORIGINAL PUD HAD THIS AREA REFERRED TO AS FULL-TIME VILLAGE, WHICH INCLUDED A GASOLINE STATION AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS, BOTH RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
NUMBER TWO, THE USE PROPOSED WOULD GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
AND THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION HAS ILLUSTRATED THAT THE PUD REVISION, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACT.
NUMBER THREE, THE PROJECT WOULD FIT WELL WITH THE PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF THE SITE.
THE TOWN RECENTLY AMENDED THE PUD TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL LANDS IN THIS AREA FOR THIS MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
THIS PROPOSED USE IS A BETTER LAND USE UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND WILL FIT INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
THE WALMART AND PROPOSED RETAIL PLAZA ACROSS THE STREET WILL REPRESENT MORE THAN ENOUGH RETAIL IN THIS AREA.
THIS AREA NO LONGER MAKES SENSE FOR A GASOLINE STATION OR ADDITIONAL RETAIL.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, THE PLAN DOES NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE OPEN SPACE SLASH GREEN SPACE OF THE BRIARWOOD EUD AND DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OTHER FINDINGS FOR THE ORIGINAL SECRET DECISION ON THE BRIARWOOD PUD NUMBER SIX.
THE TOWN BOARD CAN ALSO REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING MINUTES AND THE PUBLIC MEETING RESULTS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MAKES THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN BOARD MAKE A SECRET DECISION THAT THIS PROJECT AND AMENDMENT TO THE PUD WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THIS REVISION TO THE PUD SECOND MOTION.
NO, MADE MAKE THE MOTION SECOND BY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIMME CREDIT FOR THE MOTION.
YES, IT WAS WELL READ AS WELL.
NO, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE I'M AS WELL.
WE'LL BE BACK IN THE FUTURE HOPEFULLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AGAIN.
NUMBER FIVE, DOLLAR GENERAL REQUESTED SITE FLIGHT APPROVAL OF A 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE AND PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND NORTHEAST CORNER OF LAKESHORE ROAD AT BIG TREE.
I AM TARA MATHAS SPIN WITH, UM, BROADWAY GROUP.
WHATCHA DOING HERE, BUT CONGRATULATIONS.
UM, WE, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WE HAD A FURTHER DISCUSSION
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ABOUT OUR REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT.AND THE PLANNING BOARD MADE CLEAR ITS PREFERENCE THAT WE, UM, WITHDRAW OUR REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT, THE BOARD FELT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH APPROVING THE, THE PROJECT.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND I WAS ABLE TO GET, UM, APPROVAL FROM OUR TENANT AND, UM, FROM MY BOSS TO WITHDRAW THAT APPLICATION.
SO OUR ATTORNEY SUBMITTED A LETTER THIS PAST WEEK TO THE PLANNING BOARD LAYING OUT, UM, OUR, UH, DECISION TO DO SO.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY I SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR THE RECORD SHOWING THAT THE SUB PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LINE HAD BEEN REMOVED AND THAT WE WOULD BE BASICALLY HAVING JUST THE ONE, THE SINGULAR LOT.
SO, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE LAST, UM, CONCERN OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO I'M HERE TONIGHT, UM, SEEKING, UH, NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF THE SEEKER OF YOU.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF A RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PREPARED, BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN AT THE LAST MEETING THAT HE WOULD BE PREPARED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION, UM, READ IF WE WERE ABLE TO WANNA MAKE THE SUBDIVISION.
I THINK, UM, AT THIS I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, UM, PRIVY TO WHAT I WAS PRIVY TO THE MEETING, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M AUTHORIZED TO, TO AUTHORIZE RESOLUTION, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY PREPARED.
BUT THEY CAN AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE.
SO I CAN AUTHORIZE IF IT'S OKAY.
SO THERE WOULD BE RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION TO ISSUE A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING.
WE WOULD ALSO DO A RESOLUTION THAT THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LWRP.
IT'S CONSISTENT BASED UPON THE WAF.
AND THEN THE THIRD RESOLUTION WOULD BE TO ISSUE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
ALL SITE PLAN APPROVALS ARE CONDITIONAL.
IT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL, OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERING AND OTHER PERMITS AND STUFF AND ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLACE.
SO I WOULD ASK THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE ME, ALSO KEEP IN MIND, GET ME EMAILS OR WHATEVER OF ANY CONDITION YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ON IT.
READ THE MINUTES, READ THE INPUT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE OTHER COMMITTEES AND WHATEVER, AND PROVIDE ME WITH ANY, ANY DIRECTION.
BUT, AND AGAIN, SORRY BOB, I GO BACK TO YOU.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA AUTHOR US TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS OR WANNA ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF ME OF CAMMY OR ANYBODY ELSE HERE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, BUT I, I DO WANT YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK.
YOU KNOW, AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS.
THAT'S, SO IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN ANSWER LIKE THAT.
YEAH, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO HEAR THAT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I WOULD FEEL IT'S OKAY.
WE, WE'LL AUTHORIZE RESOLUTIONS TO DO.
WE HAVE THE WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORMS AND BECAUSE I THINK I CAME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS MM-HMM
SO LIKE CS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, DID WE TALK ABOUT A CONSISTENCY REVIEW WITH THE LWRA AND LOOKED THROUGH THE WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT FORMS? WE DID.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS ON THERE.
WE GOT INPUT FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
UM, SO YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE YOU MAKE THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY, ALTHOUGH THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL THE INPUT ON THAT.
UM, LIKE WITH ANY WATERFRONT CONSISTENCY AND YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE MARGO.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT MAYBE WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT IS SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
FOR EXAMPLE, FROM DAY ONE, YOU KNOW THAT ANY WATERFRONT PROJECT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A WATER DEPENDENT OR WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A WATERFRONT DEPENDENT OR ENHANCED.
I THINK THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S SOME SOMEWHAT OFF THE WATERFRONT AREA, ET CETERA.
SO IS THAT SIGNIFICANT? I BELIEVE THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE HAS NOT DETERMINED THAT THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FROM THE WATERFRONT.
THEY GAVE SOME COMMENTS, READ THOSE COMMENTS, THEY RIGHT AND LOOKED AT WORTHWHILE FOR CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED.
UM, SO AGAIN, PLEASE AND ASK THE QUESTION.
PLEASE PROVIDE, WHEN WE DO DRAFT RESOLUTION, REMEMBER IT'S, IT'S BASED UPON YOUR DIRECTION.
SO I HAVE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM YOU.
WE PUT DRAFTS AND SEND US YOU.
AND THEN ALSO WHEN I PRESENT DRAFTS TO YOU AT A NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT, YOU CAN MAKE REVISIONS TO THOSE DRAFTS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD TO THEM AND WHATEVER.
THEY'RE JUST DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE TOWN BOARD WHERE THEY'RE PRE-FILED RESOLUTIONS, ET CETERA.
YOU'RE JUST AUTHORIZED TO PREPARE OR DOCUMENTS FOR.
SO AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, THE APPLICANT JUST GET US ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT US TO INCLUDE? ANY RESOLUTION?
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YOU FOR JEFF AND I CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ONE.I JUST NEED A MOTION THE TABLE.
MOTION THE TABLE AND MOTION THE MOTION THE TABLE.
AND AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION IN RESOLUTION.
ALL YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
OH, YOU HAVE TO BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS ANYWAY.
WAS ANYBODY HERE INVITED TO THE WEDDING? AT LEAST I KNEW ABOUT IT.
I'M ASKING WHETHER YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT FOR ONE, RIGHT? I THINK I SHOULD.
OKAY, NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA.
THAT DEVELOPMENT APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC INPUT RECEIVE AT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION HELD ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022 REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR THE SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 98 TOWN HOMES ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRYAN DRIVE.
SEAN HOPKINS FROM A LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS SOJA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
DATE OF DEVELOPMENT ALSO WITH YOU THIS EVENING IS BRIAN BURKE FROM THE BURKE FAMILY, AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD MORRIS.
THE BOARD DID HOLD AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL DURING YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT CAME UP WAS A CLAIM THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE IS REQUIRED TO BE DESIGNATED AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PLANS AND THE OPEN SPACE PLAN REPORT PREPARED BY NUSSBAUMER CLARK, I BELIEVE IN 1993.
THANKS TO SARAH DREW WHO PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION.
AND WHAT WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR IS THERE IS A PLAN WITH THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE SHOWN FOR THE ENTIRE PUD THAT WAS SIGNED ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE APPLICANT IN ON DATED NOVEMBER 19TH, 2003.
I DID SUBMIT A COPY OF THAT WITH MY LETTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD LAST FRIDAY.
CLEARLY INDICATES THAT THIS SITE IS DEVELOPABLE.
IN FACT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT WAS DENOTED AS FUTURE SENIOR HOUSING.
UM, IN 2010, I BELIEVE THE PROJECT DID COME IN.
I BELIEVE IT WAS AN AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING PROJECT THAT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING BY THE COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE ULTIMATELY THAT WAS WITHDRAWN PRIOR TO THERE EVER BEING THE ISSUANCE OF A DECISION.
SO WE THINK THIS IS THE CONTROLLING PLAN.
I WOULD NOTE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PLAN, THERE WAS ONE AMENITY THAT WE HAD LEFT OUT WITH RESPECT TO OUR PLAN AND THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S CALLED THE HEART TRAIL THAT WRAPS AROUND LARGE AREAS OF THIS SITE.
IT ACTUALLY DOES SHOW IT RUNNING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY.
SO WE HAVE UPDATED THE PLAN TO INCLUDE THAT AMENITY ON THE BACK PORTION OF THE SITE.
MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN FROM 2003.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD RELATIVE TO DOCUMENTATION THAT PREDATES 2003, INCLUDING A PLAN FROM DR. FARMER CLARK THAT I BELIEVE IS DATED.
CHRIS, WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT PLAN? UM, 1992.
AND THE SUGGESTION WAS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, WHICH IS A PREVIOUS PLAN FOR GREEN SPACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OVERALL PD, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN SHOWS A LITTLE BIT LARGER SITE, BUT DESIGNATED THERE AS BEING 6.62 ACRES OF PROPOSED RAILROAD BUFFER AND TOP LOT PLAYGROUND HERE, AS WELL AS TWO LARGE MULTI-STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS ON THE REMAINING 6.25 ACRES.
THIS PLAN, CLEAR AS DAY, WAS SUPERSEDED BY THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY A PREDECESSOR PLANNING BOARD AND SIGNED ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2003.
BUT WE THINK EVEN IF THIS PLAN WAS CONTROLLING, WHICH OF COURSE IT'S NOT GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MUCH BETTER.
CLEARLY BEFORE WE STARTED THIS DESIGN PROCESS AND ACTUALLY PRESENTED THIS TO YOU ORIGINALLY, WAY BACK IN MARCH OF 2021, WE RECOGNIZED THAT ANYTHING THAT PROBABLY INVOLVED WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE RENTAL UNITS, UNITS OF LEASE WOULD NOT BE PARTICULARLY WELL RECEIVED.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING OWNER OCCUPIED TOWN HOMES FOR SALE WITH GARAGES BASED ON INPUT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED.
WE'VE ADDED SOME LANDSCAPING, WE'VE ADDED SCREENING, ADDED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE BACK.
WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A PLAYGROUND AREA.
IT'S STILL JUST A CONCEPT PLAN.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS FINALLY PROCEED TO PREPARATION OF
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FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.OBVIOUSLY THOSE WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY CAMMY AND HER STAFF.
WE'LL ALSO NEED TO SECURE OUTSIDE APPROVALS FROM VARIOUS INVOLVED AGENCIES.
WE THINK AFTER THESE MANY MONTHS OF REVIEW THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH THE NEARBY ERS.
AND WOULD LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE MINUTES THAT EACH OF THE RECENT SUBMISSIONS THAT I'VE MADE TO THE BOARD I HAVE PROVIDED TO THE TWO CONTACTS I HAVE FROM THE HOA.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND WE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE PRIOR TO US FINALLY PROCEEDING WITH THE PREPARATION OF FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, THE FILING OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION, AND THEN ADDITIONAL REVIEW BY THIS BOARD TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES.
ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TWO WEEKS AGO THAT THERE'S SOME I WANNA CLARIFY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE? YEAH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, MS. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.
UH, FRANK ALKI, UH, BRIAN CLIFF, HE STATED THIS PROPOSALS SHOULD NOT EVEN GET OFF THE GROUND BECAUSE THE
UH, HOW DO I MEAN THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TELL SOMEBODY, LOOK BEFORE YOU, YOU DIVIDE, MAKE SURE WHAT'S GONNA WANT AROUND YOU.
AND IF THEY DO IN FACT HAVE THAT, I, I I
MAYBE WAS THERE SOMETHING SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD THAT PURPORT TO CLAIM THAT THERE WAS, I'VE NEVER BEEN PROVIDED A COPY.
I DID ASK FOR A COPY FROM THE RESIDENCE AND I INDICATED I'VE BEEN SHARING ALL THE INFORMATION I SUBMITTED.
TO THE EXTENT THAT LETTER PREDATES 2003, THOUGH IT'S CERTAINLY NOT CONTROLLING THE 2003 PLAN WAS SIGNED ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS CHANGES IN CIRCUMSTANCES OVER TIME.
SO I GUESS TO A LARGE DEGREE, IN ORDER TO HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT, NUMBER ONE, I'D HAVE TO SEE THE LETTER.
SAME HERE AND NUMBER AND NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT'S DATED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ATTACHED TO AN EMAIL TODAY.
I DO WANNA KNOW THAT THERE HANDED OUT THE, WAS ATTACHED.
I I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN HANDED OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK THEY DIDN'T, I THINK THEY GAVE A COPY TO BILL.
OH, MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK THEY GAVE US A COPY OF THE LETTER.
THEY GAVE US A COPY OF THEIR, LIKE, WHICH I HAVE.
SO THEY GAVE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THE DOCUMENT THAT THAT CLAIMED.
LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS 28 ACRES COME FROM EITHER TO BE CLEAR.
THIS I HAVE A, CAN I JUST SEE IT? I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.
OH, IS THIS THEIR, UM, PLAN SPEAKER DOCS FROM WHEN THEY PUT, OH, I HAVE THAT.
SO THAT'S A REFERENCE TO WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
THAT'S REFERENCED TO A PART ONE OF A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM IN EXCERPT THEREOF FROM 1995.
SO THAT'S CLEARLY NOT THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENT I THOUGHT WAS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED DURING THAT INFORMATIONAL MEETING IS THERE WAS AN ACTUAL SIGNED LETTER.
BUT I, AGAIN, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT.
I DO ASKED, I DO WANNA, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THERE WAS A COLOR PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED DURING THAT MEETING.
I DO HAVE A COPY OF THAT WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS CLAIMED WAS THE REQUIRED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
UH, NUMBER ONE, AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON DOCUMENTATION THAT PREDATES 2003 AND NUMBER TWO AND JUSTICE AS IMPORTANTLY, THERE WERE VARIOUS SUBTRACTIONS MADE TO THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE PURSUANT TO A SECTION OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SUBTRACT WETLANDS, ALLUVIAL SOILS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
NONE OF THAT APPLIES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND I THINK I ADDRESSED THAT POINT IN GOOD DETAIL ON MY LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 11TH.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AND THEY, THEY INCLUDED SAWGRASS, UH, MICHAEL NOT, HE STATED THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC INATE STUDY INDICATES THAT THE SAWGRASS AREA IS USED IN EGRESS AND INGRESS TO BRIAR PROOF, BUT THE SAWGRASS ROADWAYS OR PRIVATE ROADWAYS AND NOT PART OF BRIARCLIFF OR BRIARCLIFF, HOA.
AND THEN PETTY
SO I, I WOULD NOTE, AND YOU DO HAVE A LETTER FROM DAVID CRUZ OR STEVEN FERRANTE OF SRF ASSOCIATES, THAT COMMENT WAS RELAYED TO THEM AND THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
SAWGRASS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO THAT WAS, I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR WAS A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE CONNECTIONS TO BRIARCLIFF.
SRF ALSO ADDRESSED THAT WITHIN ITS COMMENT LETTER AND SAID, TYPICALLY WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, GIVEN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC THERE, THOSE ARE GONNA OPERATE AT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
A SO IT'S JUST IS NOT PARTICULARLY RELEVANT.
BUT THEY DID SRF DID PREPARE A LETTER, RESPOND TO THAT COMMENT.
SO NOW MR. CHAPMAN, WHEN I GOT THAT READ TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND SAW GRASS, I, I ASKED THE NEIGHBORS IF I COULD SEND IT TO THE APPLICANT, WHICH YOU DID APPLICANT, WHICH I DID.
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SENT IT TO THE SRF AND SRF RESPONDED AND WE SENT A COPY OF THE RESPONSE LETTER TO THE NEIGHBORS.AND I, AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT I'M HOPING AS THIS GOES FORWARD, THERE'LL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS, AT LEAST WITH THE HOA REPRESENTATIVES.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SO THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE ALSO EXTENDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.
BUT AGAIN, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, I THINK WE, WITH SOMETHING THAT IS CERTAINLY THE BEST OF THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND RECOGNIZES THE HISTORY AGAIN AND GIVEN WHILE IT'S OWN PUD AND CLEAR AS DAY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS FOR LEASE, EVEN WITH POWER BUILDINGS WOULD BE PERMITTED AS OF RIGHT.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE THINK THIS IS A BETTER APPROACH.
WHY IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT SAWGRASS LOOKS LIKE? ANYBODY KNOW SAW? ISN'T THAT WHAT THE THE, UM, THESE, THE CURRENT SAW? RIGHT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ATTACHED FOUR SALE UNITS WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
AND THEY HAVE FOUR, THEY APPEAR TO HAVE FOUR, I THINK THEY HAVE FOUR UNITS PER BUILDING THERE.
SO WE ARE, SOME OF 'EM HAVE SIX, I BELIEVE THE AGENDA LIST IS THAT 98 UNITS.
AND ONE THING THAT WHY THIS, UH, PARTICULAR HOUSING TYPE IS ATTRACTIVE IS IT'S TYPICALLY ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAVE A BIG HOUSE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF A YARD.
THEY MAY TRAVEL DURING THE WINTER.
IT'S THAT TYPE OF PERSON THAT THESE UNITS ARE PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE.
THEY'RE ALSO GIVEN HOW UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BECOME IN WEST YORK ATTRACTIVE TO YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.
BUT GIVEN WHAT IT COSTS NOW FOR A LARGER DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON AN INDIVIDUAL A LOT, WE THINK THERE WILL BE AMPLE AND STRONG DEMAND FOR THESE UNIT TYPES HERE.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY 96 UNITS.
THEY ARE TWO STORY ATTACHED UNITS WITH GARAGES.
AND THE HARDEST DECISIONS YOU HAVE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, IS THAT TYPICALLY ON A LARGE SCALE PROJECT LIKE THIS WHERE GENERIC IMPACT THING WAS DONE, YOU REFER TO THE FINDINGS AND YOU GO THROUGH THE FINDINGS AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE FINDINGS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BISS GSS THE TOWN DID.
THERE'D BE SOME YEARS AGO THERE REALLY THE FINDINGS THAT YOU SAW, YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT.
IT'S ONE PAGE, SO YOU HAVE TO REFER TO IT.
AND THEN OVER THE YEARS AS WHAT SEAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN CHANGES TO THE PROJECT.
THE BIG ONE THAT SEAN REFERS TO IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR AT THAT TIME BACK IN 2003, DICK CRANDALL SAID THIS IS CONFUSING ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE.
SO HE HAD A GREEN SPACE PLAN COMPLETED BY, BY NUSS BARBARA CLARK, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR WAS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THAT DOCUMENT SAYING THIS IS THE GREEN SPACE FOR THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE IT'S CHANGED SO MANY TIMES.
YOUR BIGGEST DECISION ON THIS PROJECT IS WHEN THEY MAKE APPLICATION, IT'S GOING TO BE HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THAT THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, WITH A 30 SOME YEAR OLD FINDING STATEMENT.
UM, TYPICALLY IN WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING IS THEY'RE SUBMITTING NEW INFORMATION TO SHOW YOU THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MAY HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY, OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE INSIGNIFICANT.
AND YOU WOULD ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UH, FOR THIS SAYING THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, NO ONE'S GONNA ARGUE THAT THIS HAS NOT CHANGED IN 30 YEARS.
IT HAS CHANGED A LOT IN 30 YEARS.
UM, THE BASIC TENANT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE SAME.
THE MAJOR PART OF THE GREEN SPACE IS THE, IS THE, UH, GOLF COURSE, IS THE GOLF COURSE.
THAT WAS THE MAJOR PART OF THE GREEN SPACE OF THIS, OF THIS.
AND THEN THERE WERE OTHER, OTHER AREAS THAT WERE PUT IN.
WE ACTUALLY HAD AN AREA BACK, I FORGET WHICH PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE WAS A GREEN SPACE REQUIRED.
THEY PUT IN THE GREEN SPACE THAT MR. BURKE MAY REMEMBER THIS.
THE RESIDENTS CAME AND WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE IS WHERE ALL THE KIDS WERE HANGING AROUND.
SO THEY ASKED THE TOWN TO, TO FILL IN THE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE KIDS HANGING THERE AND DOING THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO, AND, AND THE TOWN APPROVED THAT FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GOT INTO THAT GREEN SPACE PLAN AND MAKING SURE THERE'S, THERE'S PROPER GREEN SPACE.
SO OUR DIFFICULT JOB WHEN THEY DO PRESENT THIS IS GOING TO BE DOCUMENTING ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT FIRST DECISION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY APPROVE A SITE PLAN BASED UPON, AGAIN, A LOT OF LAWS THAT ARE TODAY AREN'T THE LAWS THAT APPLY.
WHEN THIS WENT IN, UH, THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T INCLUDE PONDS, WE CHANGED THAT YEARS AGO IN GREEN SPACE.
WELL, BACK THEN THEY INCLUDED PONDS AND OTHER THINGS AS RECREATION AREAS.
SO IT IS DIFFICULT, AND I APOLOGIZE AND I APOLOGIZE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THIS YET.
IT, IT IS A DIFFICULT PROJECT, PROJECTS TO REVIEW WHEN IT COMES INTO BRIARWOOD.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY.
THEY LOVE THEIR COMMUNITY AND WANNA MAKE SURE
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IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.SO, SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE MOVING ON TO SITE PLANS? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR TO COME BACK.
THE GREEN SPACE PLAN THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING APPLIES TO TO WHAT? EXACTLY THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
WE EVERYTHING ON THAT, THAT PLAN.
WHAT'S THAT? THERE IS A GREEN SPACE PITCH.
THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE REFERENCING WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE 20 YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REFERENCING A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WENT ON THE YEAR.
I MEAN, I SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE.
THERE WAS THIS PLAN BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH CONFUSION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR AT THE TIME SIGNED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH CONFUSION ABOUT EVEN LIKE THE RESIDENTS MENTIONED THAT THE NAMES OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN AREA HAS CHANGED.
SAWGRASS USED TO BE THREE PHASES OF QUARRY.
THEN THE ONE QUARRY BECAME SAWGRASS.
WELL WE WANTED TO SAY, BUT THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE FOR THE PLAN, IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS.
IT'S THE GREEN SPACE OF DRIER WOOD.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD, THEY HAD THIS OVERARCHING PLAN THAT THIS WAS THE GREEN SPACE PLAN.
SO IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE I I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS.
THERE WAS PLAN AND SEAN SHOWED IT.
THAT SHOWED A PLAN THAT SHOWED SIX POINT SOME ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, A LOT OF IT ALONG THE RAILROAD AND SHOWED WHATEVER.
BUT AGAIN, OVER THE YEARS THEN THAT CHANGE LATER ON THERE WAS DIFFERENCE THINGS PRESENTED.
SO IT'S, AND I APOLOGIZE, IT'S JUST VERY, THE RECORD GOES ON FOR 30 YEARS MM-HMM
BUT I, BUT I DO WANNA KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE PLANS WHEN WE WERE HERE AT THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S, IT'S CONFUSING TO US.
IT'S ALSO CONFUSING TO THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK IT IS CLEAR NOW BASED ON COMPREHENSIVE RESEARCH.
IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, SIGNED OFF BY THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IN 2003.
AND AGAIN, DOES NOT DENOTE THIS SITE IS BEING PROTECTED FROM OPEN SPACE.
BUT I DO GET WHY THERE'S CONFUSION.
CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD SUGGEST OTHERWISE, I GUESS WE WOULD ASK TO BE PROVIDED WITH IT.
SO AT LEAST WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
THAT PLAN WENT ALONG WITH THE WHOLE REPORT TOO.
THERE'S A REPORT IF YOU GUYS WANT A COPY OF THE REPORT, THERE'S A WHOLE REPORT ON IT THAT DICK AND I HAVE A COPY, WHATEVER.
SO WE WON'T SEE YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER PIECE OF ADVICE YOU WANT GIVE THEM BEFORE THEY GO OFF AND PRODUCE
SO OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT STEP IS ENGINEERING.
WE HAVE TO DO THE FULL ENGINEERING, BUT DREW'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED THREE DECADES AGO, IT'S JUST NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.
I THINK WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD PROBABLY PREFER IN TERMS OF OUR NEXT SUBMISSION IS THAT IT'S NOT ONLY FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY PACKAGE UP WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTATION, PUT IT IN A BINDER WITH THE NARRATIVE, AND DO OUR BEST TO AT LEAST ALLOW YOU TO HOPEFULLY MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA WORK, BUT I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY FIND IT HELPFUL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER.
YOU, YOU WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING FROM THE RESPONSES FROM THE PUBLIC ALSO IN THE REPORTS, THE, AND STUDIES ALL IN ONE PLACE.
AND WE HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
WHAT WE HEARD LAST, ALL, ALL THE TYPICAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA DO WHEN WE MAKE A SECRET DECISION THAT WE'RE IN THE ORIGINAL DIS, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PAGES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SYNOPSIS PUT TOGETHER THAT WOULD HELP US.
WOULD YOU NEED A BOOKSHELF?
YOU CAN JUST KEEP WORKING WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES.
THE PLENTY DEPARTMENT USED TO BE IN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE WAY AND THEY HAD A ROOM WITH THE FILES AND THERE WERE THREE SHELVES DEDICATED OF 10 FEET LONG TO BRIARWOOD.
A LOT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE NOW THE NIKE BASED FACILITY AND WHATEVER.
BUT IT'S JUST, IT, IT A LOT OF PROJECTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS AND IN BRIARWOOD.
I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL DO, IT'LL TAKE A RAISE SARAH.
HUH? HE'LL TALK TO YOU WHEN WANNA COME BACK.
WE, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF WORK TO DO.
WE MIGHT SEE YOU IN THE MEANTIME ON SUN.
WE SET THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 2ND.
MR. SHAW, I A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING? I'LL MOTION.