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GET STARTED WITH OUR WORK SESSION FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT, REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED COFFEE SHOP TO BE LOCATED AT 3 3 6 7 0
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MCKINLEY PARKWAY.I GET THE FIRST THREE, SO I'M STARTING WITH THE FIRST ONE.
I HAVE DEVELOPMENT DELAWARE AVENUE, NEW YORK.
OH, YOU NEED TO COME STAND OVER HERE BECAUSE SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME STAND UP OVER HERE.
SO TRY AND SO WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO COME? COME THIS WAY.
UM, I KNOW THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE.
I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WE HAD THE EXPANSION FOR THE CORE LIFE, WHICH IS, UM, STILL IN THERE.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UM, THERE'S A POPEYE'S LOCATED UP FRONT, LARGE STRIP SHOPPING CENTER IN THE BACK.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD IS A 2,250 SQUARE FOOT COFFEE SHOP WITH THE PATIO IN LINE WITH THE POPEYE'S.
UM, IT'S REALLY GENERALLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
IT HAS A, UM, DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH WITH A BYPASS LANE PARKING IN THE FRONT.
UM, TRAFFIC GOES AROUND HERE AND OUT THE BACK, OUT THE FRONT TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, THE PATIO IS LOCATED ON THE INSIDE AND YOU SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE AREA.
THAT'S REALLY AN UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT AT THIS POINT.
THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE WE GOOD.
UM, THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE, UM, ATTRACTIVE AND MODERN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT THE USE OF SOME ARCHITECTURAL WOOD ACROSS THE TOP.
THIS IS THE FRONT SIDE OF THE PATIO.
THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, FIXES THE ROAD, UM, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
ALL HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE A SHARED PARKING STUDY, WHICH SHOWED THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING ON SITE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WILL YOU SHARE THE PARKING LOT? WHAT WE, I MEAN, WE DID A, UM, PARKING HOUR, NOT A SHARED PARKING, BUT YOU SAID SHARED.
SO BASICALLY WE HAVE THE STUDY SHOWS THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SITE FOR THIS USE.
SO WHO IS THE, WHAT COFFEE SHOP IS THE TENANT BECAUSE BASED ON THE TYPE OF THE COFFEE SHOP THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, THE QUEUING SPACE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE A TENANT IN? AND, UH, I MEAN I, AND PARTIALLY I ASKED THIS BECAUSE WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE STARBUCKS LESS THAN A YEAR AGO WITH STARBUCKS AND THERE WAS NOT A SPECIFIED TENANT.
AND IT LED TO TRAFFIC BACKUPS.
AND WE WOULD'VE PERHAPS DONE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT, NOT KNOWING THE VENDOR.
IT, IT IS A STARBUCKS AND THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE PROVIDED A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH IN THE BACK.
AND ADDITION, THERE'S NO IMPACT THAT THIS COULD SPILL OUT ONTO THE ROADWAY.
THEY CAN QUEUE UP, UM, DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC THEY NORMALLY HAVE.
AND I CAN PROVIDE A QUEUING FOR THAT.
WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR THEM TO EXCEED THAT QUEUING AND THEN AFFECT THE TURN IN FROM WHITEMAN.
'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.
WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE DOUBLE STACK YOU SAID ACROSS FROM THERE IS, THAT'S POPEYE'S.
SO YOU'RE, ARE YOU IN THE, ARE YOU WEARING A YANKEE CANDLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THAT PARKING LOT? WE'RE IN THAT PARKING LOT.
SO WHEN I HEARD YOU WRONG, YOU SAID, I THOUGHT YOU SAID SHARED PARKING.
SO YOU'RE NOT SHARING PARKING WITH PARKING WITH THOSE, THOSE, THOSE STORES.
WELL, IT'S CALLED A SHARED PARKING STUDY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE STUDY.
TECHNICALLY THIS IS PART OF THE PLAZA PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S ALSO, RIGHT NOW IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALSO KIND OF SET, IT'S ALREADY ALREADY PARKING THERE NOW.
AND AND IT HAS A, HAS A CURB THERE.
WE, WE, WE OWN THE ENTIRE PLAZA.
ALL THE PARKING CAN BE USED BY ANY TENANT THERE.
AND THERE WERE LIKE THREE OR FOUR CARS PARKED THERE.
I ASSUME THEY WERE EMPLOYEES CARS PROBABLY.
HOW MANY INSIDE SEATING? HOW MUCH INSIDE SEATING YOU WANT? I CAN GET THAT NUMBER.
IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 40 SEATS OR OR LESS.
JENNA, YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, YOU SAID YOU DID, UH, BILL THE, YOUR NUMBERS OF HOW YOU CALCULATED THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR THIS MM-HMM
THEY ARE THE APPROVAL OF PARKING SPACES NOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER BOARD DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE PROVIDED THE STUDY, WHICH DONE BY SRF, WHICH JUSTIFIED THE PARKING HERE.
YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE.
YOU MEAN FOR THE RESTAURANT? YEAH.
AND THE DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT HERE.
IS IT, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ONE TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS? THERE'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT PROBABLY IN THE BACK, BUT THERE'S ONE CUSTOMER ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT.
THE, THE DIRECT WINDOW OVER HERE.
AND YOU SAID THE ARCHITECTURE, I KNOW THAT'S, YOU WERE TRYING TO, THE ARCHITECTURE IS THE NEW STYLE.
YOU SEE THE STARBUCKS WITH THE NEW STYLE, THE WOOD FRONT.
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SEE THIS IS THE PATIO AREA YOU SEE UP FRONT.YOU GOT THE WOOD, YOU GOT THE OVERHANG, YOU GOT THE, THE BROWN BRICK.
YEAH, IF YOU WANNA SEE THEM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE BUILT TOWN AND WE'VE BUILT MOST OF THEM IN THIS AREA.
ARE THERE ANY IN THE SOUTH TOWN? THIS WILL BE THE FIRST NEW ONE, I THINK THE SOUTH WE'VE PUT IN, IN THE SOUTH TOWN.
SO, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A WORK SESSION ITEM.
YOU'RE LOOKING TO GIVE THEM ANY DIRECTION, ANY CONCERNS AS I PUT IN MY MEMO AND IT'S ALREADY ADDRESSED.
WHEN WE HAVE INTERIOR BUILDINGS PLACED INTO YOUR PARKING LOT, WE ASKED FOR TWO THINGS, WHICH IS A PARKING CALCULATION TO MAKE SURE WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH ADEQUATE PARKING.
AND THEN AS WE DID WITH POPEYE'S, MAKING SURE THE TRAFFIC FLOW WORKS CORRECTLY.
REMEMBER A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT POPEYE'S.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC THAN A POPEYE'S IS.
I MEAN, NOT THAT POPEYE'S DOESN'T GENERATE TRAFFIC ON PEAK TIMES.
THEY DO, BUT IT'S A BIG GENERATE MORE AND IT'S IN THE AREA THAT IS BUSIER OF THAT PLAZA.
THE POPEYE'S SIDE WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS GOING ON AND WE GET A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC AND UM, AT SOME POINT IN TIME SOMEBODY'S GONNA ASK YOU WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITHOUT THE SNOW.
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF SNOW THAT GETS PUSHED RIGHT ALONG THAT.
THE STUFF THAT, THAT CAME UP WITH THE POPEYES.
WE'LL MOVE SNOW AROUND, PLACE OUT BACK WHEN WE NEED TO.
WE HAVE LOT ROOM TO, DOES BENDON OWN OWN THE, THE ADJACENT FRIENDLYS PORTION OF THIS PLAZA? WE DO NOT.
PROBABLY REALIZE THERE IS A STARBUCKS IN THAT PLAZA.
WELL I WAS GONNA ASK IF BENDERSON, IT'S ALREADY CLOSED PLAZA.
WHY THEY DON'T CONSIDER USE THE FRIENDLIES? NO, THEY DON'T OWN IT.
SO ANYTHING ELSE FOR THEM? UM, ARE YOU GONNA WANNA BE BACK ON IN TWO WEEKS? THAT'D BE GREAT.
UH, YOU MAKE A FULL APPLICATION.
HAVE YOU MADE FULL? I WE SUBMITTED A FULL APPLICATION.
WHY DON'T WE REVIEW IT IN TWO WEEKS AND DECIDE IF TWO WEEKS FROM NEXT YOU WANNA CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DO YOU, THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE SEEKER, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA BE NOT REVIEWING AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN LAWS, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
WE'LL BE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, DIFFERENT ISSUES.
SO TWO WEEKS FROM FROM TONIGHT, THEY WILL BE BACK ON.
THINK ABOUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE'LL HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WAIT, WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR TWO WEEKS.
UM, YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL JUST PUT IT ON AS A REGULAR ITEM IN TWO WEEKS.
TWO WEEKS FOR DISCUSSION OF SITE PLAN.
I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA LOCK INTO A SCHEDULE BEYOND THAT.
JUST, ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 3 6 7 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, STARBUCKS TO APRIL.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 9,150 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A 2,250 SQUARE FOOT COFFEE SHOP WITH A DRIVE THROUGH TO BE LOCATED AT 6,000 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
UM, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE, LITERALLY NEXT DOOR.
AND THERE'S A FRIENDLIES AS WELL.
IT IS A FRIENDLIES, WHICH WE ARE TAKING DOWN.
UM, AFTER YEARS OF BEING ASKED TO TAKE THE FRIENDLIES DOWN, WE'RE REMOVING THE FRIENDLIES.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS A 9,150 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UM, IT'S LOCATED WHERE THE FRIENDLIES IS.
IF YOU GO OUT THERE, WE'RE GONNA BE KNOCKING THAT DOWN DOWN.
IT PROVIDES TWO ROWS OF FRONT PARKING IN THE FRONT, A PATIO, A WIDE SIDEWALK.
UM, WE HAVE THE COFFEE SHOP LOCATED ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH WRAPS AROUND THE BUILDING, UM, ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEN ACCESS BACK OUT.
SO YOU CAN USE ANY OF THE ACCESS POINTS, INCLUDING THE SIGNALIZE.
AND THE ONE HERE, UM, AGAIN, IT IS A STARBUCKS.
UM, THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE IS AGAIN, UM, WE CARRY THE STARBUCKS, UM, MATERIALS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
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BUILDING FOR SOME CONSISTENCY.AND YOU CAN SEE THE STARBUCKS THERE AT THE END WITH THE PATIO, WITH THE ALUMINUM WARNING USE OF THE WOODWORK AND THE CONTINU CONTINUATION ALONG WITH THE BRICK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
WE MIRRORED THAT ON THE DRIVE THROUGH SIDE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT COMES BACK.
YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A BLANK WALL.
AND AROUND THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THIS TENANT SPACE, UM, THE BACK IS ALL BRICK WORK WITH AN EMERGENCY ACCESS DOOR OUT THE BACK.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD REHAB OF WHAT THAT SITE CURRENTLY IS.
IT'S GONNA ADD UP A LOT MORE GREEN SPACE AND, UM, BE AN ATTRACTIVE ADDITION TO WHERE THE VACANT STARBUCKS CURRENTLY IS.
OUR ONLY QUESTION, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE REST OF IT IS A SPEC PLAZA.
SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT.
WE, WE ANTICIPATE IT'S GONNA BE STANDARD RETAIL HERE, SMALL SHOP RETAIL.
AND MY BOARD ALWAYS ASK IF IT, IF SOMETHING COMES IN THAT'S NOT STANDARD RETAIL, IT WOULD HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD ANYWAY.
AND WE, WE PROVIDED THE SAME, UH, PARKING STUDY.
ALL THE PARKING IS SHARED OF ALL THE TENANTS.
AND THERE'S MORE THAN SUFFICIENT PARKING IN THIS PLAZA.
THAT COULD BE ONE TO THREE TENANTS OR, OR I WOULD SAY ABOUT THREE TENANTS.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A SECOND TENANT, WHICH IS RETAIL.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, IF YOU PUT ADDITIONAL TENANTS IN, THEY WOULD NOT BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DRIVE THROUGH.
THEY, WE CANNOT NOT PUT ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH ON THIS BUILDING.
I'M JUST CONFIRMING THAT THERE'S, THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE DRIVE.
THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE BUSINESS OF DRIVE THROUGH.
CAN YOU PROVIDE WHATEVER BACKUP YOU HAVE ON THE ROUTING AND QUEUING ANALYSIS? MM-HMM
FOR SPACES, IT'S, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE WITHIN A GREATER PLAZA FOR QUEUING AND AND ROUTING.
BUT IT, WITH THE PLACEMENT OF SOME OF THE SPACES, IT'S UNCLEAR IF THERE WAS A BIT OF A BACKUP WHERE, WHERE THOSE CARS WOULD GO.
WE, WE LAY THE CARS OUT ON BOTH PLANS AND YOU CAN SEE THE STACKING ON BOTH PLANS.
AND THE EXISTING ENTRANCES THERE NOW, BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.
THEY JUST, THEY'RE JUST, WE DON'T, THE ONLY, WE DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, SO, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR, CURB STARBUCKS, ALL THE CURBS ARE THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, STARBUCKS HAS BEEN DOING A LOT MORE BUSINESS, I WOULD SAY WITH THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH SINCE COVID HIT US.
UM, AND WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STACKING WHILE THEY'RE AROUND THE BUILDING AND IT COULD QUEUE UP THIS AREA.
WHAT'S WHAT NICE ABOUT BOTHY SITES.
UM, THAT ONE HAS DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF STACKING IS IN, NONE OF THEM CAN QUEUE UNDER THE ROADWAYS, WHICH IN SOME OF OUR, THE SITES THAT ARE MUCH TIGHTER.
THE OLDER STARBUCKS SITES, I KNOW PEOPLE WERE HAVING THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WAS LEAVING THE SITE QUEUING INTO THE ADJACENT ROADWAY.
IS THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY? I'M ASSUMING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNAGE YOU WILL POINT PEOPLE TO THE, TO THE SIGNAL IF THEY WANNA MAKE A LEFT ON THE SOUTH PART.
WE TYPICALLY DO DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.
AND THIS IS, AND YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IF YOU GO TO THE LIGHT, YOU HAVE AN EASIER TIME GETTING OUT ON THE SOUTH PARK AT CERTAIN TIMES A DAY.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO DOUBLE STACKING IN THIS LOT OR TO, OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE THE QUEUING LANE IS GONNA TO BE PARALLEL TO SOME PARKING.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE BACKING UP, IT'S GONNA IMPEDE PEOPLE'S KIND OF PARKING ABILITY THERE IF THEY GO AROUND.
I JUST DON'T WANT A POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN WE, WE'LL, WE'LL STACKING, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK.
THE QUEUING, IF YOU DO STACK UP IT, YOU DO, THIS IS A 24 FOOT DRIVE LANE.
SO YOU CAN BACK OUTTA THOSE STATS AND COME BACK OUT EVEN WITH THE, WITH THE CAR THERE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A ENOUGH ROOM WE GOT ALONG THE OTHER, THE, SO, SO THIS TOP OF THE BUILDING, THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS ALL SEPARATED.
SO THIS PARKING IS SEPARATED FROM THIS.
SO YOU THESE, ONCE YOU'RE IN THE, ONCE YOU COME AROUND THE BUILDING, YOU ARE IN THE LANE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
YOU CAN'T IMPACT THE PARKING UP TOP.
AND SO THE PEOPLE UP TOP COULD PULL STRAIGHT OUT TOWARDS GABE'S.
THEY, THEY CAN GO, WELL THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKED HEAD IN.
SO THEY CAN BACK OUT TOWARDS GABE'S.
UM, IF YOU SEE THE PLAN, I SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS ONE.
SO THAT'S, SO NOW THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I WANNA KINDA ASK FOR SOME, SOME REALLY DIFFERENT CHANGES.
THERE'S A, SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THIS AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.
ONE OF 'EM IS, UH, IS GATEWAYS AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS PART OF SOUTH PARK MM-HMM
AND WHAT WE'VE, WHAT I THINK WE WOULD REALLY LIKE IS INSTEAD OF A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU COULD MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE CURB AND HAVE ALL THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT, THAT'S NOT, AND EVEN SPREAD IT OUT.
SO MORE OF A MAIN STREET TYPE SITUATION THAT THAT'S NOT A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE FOR US.
UM, THAT'S NOT A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE DEALING WITH, I MEAN WE MINIMIZE THE PARKING.
USUALLY THEY WOULD LIKE MORE PARKING UP FRONT.
WE PUSHED IT WITHIN TWO ROWS TO MINIMIZE THE PARKING.
BUT IF I PUSHED IT TO THE STREET, UM, A THE DRIVE-THROUGH WOULDN'T WORK AND B, WE WOULD LOSE THESE TENTS.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY GOT, WHAT'S THE SEATING IN THIS ONE? THE C IS ABOUT 40 ALSO.
STARBUCKS DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SEATING
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THEY DO WITH THAT CONCEPT.I'LL, I'LL GET THE EXACT NUMBERS WHAT WE'RE IN.
WITH, AND PART OF THAT, UM, WHAT BILL'S REFERRING TO TOO IS THAT THIS WILL BE A HIGHLY WALKABLE AREA.
WE VISION AS THE FUTURE TYING IN.
SO WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD, A GOOD PATH FROM THE SIDEWALK INTO THE STARBUCKS.
'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE WALK, WE'LL HAVE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WALKING OVER INTO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, PARKINGS AND SIDEWALKS AND A PEDESTRIAN ROUTE THROUGH YOUR PARKING LOT GONNA BE CRITICAL.
SO THERE'S A SIDEWALK UP FRONT, RIGHT DREW? AND WE, WE'LL TIE IT IN WITH A RAISE OR PUT SOMETHING IN SO YOU CAN WALK RIGHT ACROSS.
WE'LL WE WILL DO SOME PEDESTRIAN, UM, AMEN.
TO HELP PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE AS THEY COME ACROSS.
I MEAN, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WITH THE TOWN IS WE WANNA CONNECT THE VILLAGE TO THE FAIRGROUNDS WITH A BIKE LANE.
AND ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES HAS BEEN HOW TO GET THE BIKE LANE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
'CAUSE TO THE SOUTH, IT'S THE ONE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN DO WHATEVER WITH THE ONE FROM THE TOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF SPACES TO THE NORTH THAT WE HAVE TO, TO WORK OUT THAT ARE NOT THIS PROPERTY.
BUT IF THERE WAS SOME WAY WE COULD FIGURE OUT THAT AS PART OF OUR OVERALL PUSH TOWARDS CONNECTIVITY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON A FEW MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOME PATH THAT HAVE GONE AROUND THIS AREA.
IT'S ALWAYS, WELL WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? UM, BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE HERE WITH THE PROJECT, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
OH, DREW, IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO SHARE WHERE I THINK I DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS THAT SO HAVE GO BIKE IS WORKING ON THE PLAN THAT MAY ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, I, IF YOU SHOW ME WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS THE TIME WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ACTUALLY DRAWN ANYTHING 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO DRAW SOMETHING THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THEY CAN GET A PLAN TO GET AT SOME POINT IN EVEN IF THEY CAN SHOW EITHER END OF IT TO THEM.
EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO MEET WITH ME, I'M HAPPY TO COME IN AND MEET ONE DAY AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM IN THE INTERVENING TIMEFRAME AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
WE'VE DONE HIKING, CAN PASS SOME BIKE PATHS THROUGH PROPERTY.
SO, UM, WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
CAN YOU ADD A BIKE RACK OR A BIKE PARKING AREA? THIS IS GONNA, FROM A BIKE PATH, WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY ADD A BIKE RACK.
SO WE WILL ADD A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK.
WE'LL ADD A BIKE RACK, UM, NOT AN ISSUE.
AND THEN IF YOU GET ME THE, THE INFORMATION FROM THE, WHO'S EVER WORKING ON THE PATH, I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM AND, AND WE'LL OVER IT.
WHAT ABOUT DUMPSTER? DUMPSTER AREA DUMPSTERS ARE IN THE BACK.
SO IF YOU, UM, BEHIND, THEY'RE NUMBER 14 ON YOUR DRAWING.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE WALL FOR THE COLOR, THE DUMPSTERS ARE HERE AND THEY LINE UP WITH THE DRY VILES.
AND THEY'RE SCREENED BY THE BUILDING.
AND IN DUMPSTERS THEY'RE EASY ACCESS.
THEY, THEY LINE UP WITH THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS THAT COME DOWN.
SO THE TRUCKS COME STRAIGHT IN AND STRAIGHT OUT.
THE TOWN MALLS, AS JIM WAS SAYING, THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO BE ON A PAD AND THEY NEED TO BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, THEY'RE EXTREME BEHIND THE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS A SOLID, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE PULL THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS A CURB SOLID GREEN SPACE.
THAT'S EASIER TO SEE UNDER COLOR.
SO THERE'S, I, IT HADN'T OCCURRED TO ME TO ASK THAT, BUT I LIKE BILL'S IDEA ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE FRONTAGE FEEL MM-HMM
WHEN THEY, OR NOT DOING JUST LIKE A MAIN STREET FRONTAGE.
AND EVEN IF THAT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE ROWS OF PARKING OR MOVING THE BUILDING SO THAT IT IS IN LINE WITH M AND T BANKS.
SO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE FRONT OF THE LOT.
OR, AND PERHAPS PART OF THAT MAYBE IS ORIENTING THE BUILDING 90 DEGREES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A LAYOUT THAT WOULD WORK WITH THAT, THAT THAT WILL NOT WORK WITH THEIR STACKING.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STACKING ROSA UP AND I THINK THIS IS THE SETBACK THAT'S NOW IN THE CODE FOR THIS BUILDING, DREW.
'CAUSE WE BROUGHT IT AS CLOSE A SETBACK AS POSSIBLE IN THE CURRENT CODE BECAUSE I THINK M AND G BANK, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, EXCEED, EXCEED YOUR SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
WE'LL CHECK SARAH WAS DOING THE CODE ANALYSIS.
AND I KNOW IT'S ON MY CIVIL SITE PLANS, SO I DIDN'T HAVE THOSE MOUNTED UP.
UM, WE'LL CERTAINLY THERE'S A 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
SO THE BUILDING IS FAR MORE THAN 40 FEET.
M AND T IS MORE THAN 40 FEET BACK.
NO, THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, BILL, IS THAT WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR CODES IN CERTAIN AREAS IF WE'RE GONNA WANT PEOPLE TO PUT BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
OUR CODE REQUIRES THEM TO BE 40.
WELL, AND WE GOT THE GRANT TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF NOTHING HAPPENS INSTANTLY.
WE WE'RE TRYING TO TIE THIS AREA INTO THE VILLAGE.
YOU LEAVE THE VILLAGE AND IT'S ALL SUDDEN SUBURBIA.
YOU HAVE TWO PLAZAS ACROSS THE STREET FROM
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EACH OTHER.IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO, I MEAN, WE CAN SLOWLY ADJUST IF THAT'S THE BEST THING YOU GET.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FLOWERS OR SHRUBS OR, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE VILLAGE DOES, AND THIS IS THE TOWN, IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SEVERAL CORNERS WITH ONE UP.
WHERE MY HOUSE HAS THESE GIANT BIG PLANTERS.
I THINK THEY WORK WITH A GARDEN CLUB TO GET 'EM PUT IN THERE.
IS THERE SOME SORT OF INVITING LANDSCAPING OF THAT NATURE IN THE FRONT THAT WOULD NOT OBSTRUCT NECESSARILY DEPENDING ON THE TIMING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HIRED.
WE HIRED A, A CONTRACTOR TO HELP US DESIGN STREETSCAPES FOR THIS AREA AND FIGURE OUT THEMING FOR BENCHES AND LANDSCAPING.
AND WE'D WANT ANYTHING NEW TO KIND OF FIT IN WITH THAT PLAN.
UM, FORTUNATELY THIS IS, IT MIGHT BE COMING IN AT THE PERFECT TIME OR IT MIGHT BE COMING A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY TO FIGURE OUT TO, TO KIND OF HAVE THOSE WORK TOGETHER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
SO WHO'S LEADING THOSE? WHO'S LEADING THOSE INITIATIVES? THAT'S, UH, PROBABLY MARKUS.
THAT IS, AND YOU'RE POINT OUT THAT IS THE NICE PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE GET TO FIX THE PROBLEM WITH THE PLAZA OF HAVING A GREEN SPACE ISLAND OUT FRONT.
AND YOU CAN DO MORE CREATIVE THINGS IN THAT GREEN SPACE ISLAND OUT FRONT.
SO IF YOU, BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE, AS YOU KNOW, JUST GOES RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD.
SO WE PICKED UP GREEN SPACE ON OUR PROPERTY AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING ON CONSISTENT LANDSCAPING IF YOU HAVE YEAH.
IF YOU SEE OUR, OUR, THE PLAZAS WE'RE BUILDING NOW, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE.
SO WE ADDED, WE ADDED SOME GREEN SPACE TO PLAN UP, LIKE DREW'S POINTING OUT.
WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK, THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GOT GOING ON AT THIS POINT.
ASSUME BE PLACED ON IN TWO WEEKS.
THIS ONE DOES REQUIRES 9,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
I I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEED TO DO A COURT INTERVIEW.
THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER AGENCIES INVOLVED HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET MUCH INPUT FROM DEC.
IT'S A PARKING LOT AND BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'LL BE MOST ENGINEERING ISSUES.
AND TAMMY WILL WORK ON ENGINEERING ISSUES.
AND THEN YOU GUYS WITH INTERIOR CIRCULATION, STACKING AND PARKING ARE GONNA BE THE BIGGEST ISSUES.
AND LANDSCAPING OBVIOUSLY JUST N FT A COUNT AS A COHORT, AN AGENCY THAT WE REACH OUT TO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUS WE COULD WELL WE COULD REACH OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH COORDINATOR REVIEW BECAUSE THEY WON'T RESPOND.
THEY'VE NEVER GOT THE COORDINATOR REVIEW.
BUT IF YOU WANT SARAH, UH, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, SARAH, YOU AND I MAYBE CAN OR, OR I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THAT MTA WHERE IS THE NEAREST BUS STOP HERE? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK MAX.
WHERE THERE'S ONE RIGHT? UH RIGHT, RIGHT.
CAN YOU RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
IS THERE ANOTHER BUS STOP IN FRONT OF THIS OR IS IT JUST FRONT TOWN HALL DOWN FARTHER GOING TOWARDS, UH, ACROSS FROM BY LAKE PEGASUS.
WHERE IS IT? GOTTA ASK SOME QUESTION.
KNOW WHERE THE AGENCY COORDINATE WITH, BECAUSE WE
DC IS NOT EVEN GONNA RESPOND TO THIS.
IT'S A PA IT'S A PAID PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S NO DC INVOLVEMENT, NO DT INVOLVEMENT, NO COUNTY INVOLVEMENT.
WE, IS IT IN DISTANCE THAT WE NEED TO NOTIFY THE VILLAGE? A QUESTION? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE VILLAGE BOUNDARIES ON THE SARAH AGAIN HERE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A 2 39 AND REFERRALS TO THE VILLAGE, UM, TO LET THEM KNOW.
AND THEN WE'LL DETERMINE IF THIS HAS TO GO, I THINK IT HAS TO GO TO THE COUNTY OR ON A STATE HIGHWAY.
UH, SO THAT'LL BE REFERRED TO THE COUNTY IF SARAH MIGHT HAVE DONE IT ALREADY.
AND OUR LAST PROJECT OF THE EVENING IS, UM, HOLD ON.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 6,000 SOUTH PARK AVENUE TO APRIL 6TH.
SHE, WHAT'S THAT? I'M SURE SHE DID ALREADY, ALWAYS AHEAD OF SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
OUR NEXT PROJECT IS THE TOPS ON MCHENRY.
I, THE BOARD'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, UM, WE REBUILT THE TOPS, UM, NEW BUILDING UP FRONT, UM, HERE AND THEN OUR TIM HORTONS AT THAT TIME WHEN WE GOT THE APPROVAL, WE DID HAVE THE PLAN APPROVED
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FOR A, UM, BUILDING WITH A THREE BAY DRIVE-THRU.UM, THE, THAT PAD AREA NEVER GOT BUILT.
UM, WE NOW HAVE CHASE BANK AS A NEW TENANT THERE AND HAVE, UM,
SO AGAIN, UM, THE TOPS A BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE IN TIM HORTON'S IN THE TOPS FUEL FACILITY.
UM, THE BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HAS SHOWN UP HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE CHASE TANK IS GOING.
AND WE HAVE SIGNALED ACCESS ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU CAN SEE THE CHASE, UM, LOCATED UP IN THE TOP OF THE SITE WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND IT.
THEY HAVE THE, THE, UM, DRIVE DUAL DRIVETHROUGH, THE CIRCLE AROUND THROUGH THE ATM AND THE DRIVE BACK OUT.
WE GOT PARKING UP FRONT, PARKING ON THE SIDE, LITTLE BIT PARKING OUT BACK.
UM, IT'S REALLY CONSISTENT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE SITE.
UM, I PROVIDED THE CHASE BANK ARCHITECTURE.
UM, CAN YOU GET YOUR, YOUR GUEST SIDE? THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL? YEP.
SO WHEN YOU DID THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL MM-HMM
IS THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THE, AND MAYBE I I'M NOT SEEING AN EYE ON THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THE FUEL PUMP AREA AND THE, THE, THERE'S FACILITY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT ADDITIONAL SPACE.
WHAT, WHAT WE DID IS, UM, AND I'LL GO BACK IS THE, UM, THERE WAS A THREE LANE DRIVE THROUGH HERE.
SO THERE'S NOT ADDITIONAL SPACE.
WE DIDN'T GOT ANY CLOSER TO THE DRIVE THROUGH THAN THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SO THE BUILDING WAS HERE AND THEN WE HAD THREE LANES OF DRIVE THROUGH THAT WENT ALONG THE, UM, SO THE BUILDING IS ORIENTATED DIFFERENTLY AND, UM, THOSE THREE LANES TO DRIVE THROUGH, BUT THEY ALL ENDED IN THE SAME AREA.
SO WE'RE NO CLOSER TO THE, TO THE FUELING FACILITY THAN WE WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
AND MY CONCERN IS
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY SPACE OR A GOOD ACCESS ON THE OTHER SIDE, PEOPLE TEND TO COME IN ON THAT, THE SIDE TOWARDS THE BANK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE CARS LINED UP OR SOMEBODY'S WAITING FOR A PUMP, IT REALLY, IT BACKS UP THERE.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO BETTER ALTER OR CHANGE THE LAYOUT SO THAT PERHAPS PEOPLE ARE TURNING OVER, YOU HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE CAB THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED THERE.
IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN CUT ACCESS IN, KIND OF COME IN THAT WAY.
I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR TRAFFIC CONFLICTS WITH PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SITUATION STADIUM EVENT WHERE PEOPLE WANNA GET MONEY AT THE ATM, THEY'RE GETTING GAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S JUST A POTENTIAL FOR CARS TO JUST OBSTRUCT.
SO YOU'RE LOCATED THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE PUMPS AND THEN THE DRIVE AISLE.
SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT SEEING IF WE CAN REORIENTATE THAT.
IF YOU COULD LIKE COME IN THAT, THAT ANGLE LIKE THAT DIRECTION.
THE SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ENTRANCE KIND OF TO THE CORNER GETS REALLY MESSED UP THERE SOMETIMES.
SO AS FAR AS CARS GO IN WAYS THAT MAYBE THEY WEREN'T INTENDED TO GO BACKING UP GETTING STACKED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THIS IS THE POSSIBILITY OF FLIPPING THIS IN THIS DIRECTION, KIND OF CLOSING THIS OFF, AND THEN YOU WOULD COME IN AND STAY OUT OF THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THE, FOR THE GAS.
I CAN SEE THAT BEING A, A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE, YET YOU REALLY ENTER THE SITE IN THE SAME LOCATION, BUT TRAFFIC'S NOT COMING FROM THE SAME PLACE.
SO WE, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A COUPLE SUVS IF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING SPACE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FOR IT TO, TO BACK UP OVER THERE.
AND YOU'RE ENDING UP GOING BACK OUT.
YOU DON'T MAKE A LOOP AROUND YOU.
SO, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A, A VALID, UM, IMPROVEMENT.
YOU, BECAUSE IT PUSHES ITSELF PAST THE DRIVE AND YOU JUST COME RIGHT OUT.
YOU CAN GO RIGHT OUT TO THE SIGNAL.
SO THAT EXITING IS, IS PRO IS, WE WORKED AROUND THAT.
SO I'LL LOOK AND SEE IF WE, WE CAN SHIFT THAT.
AND IT'S ONE WAY TRAFFIC ROUTE.
AT THAT POINT IT'S ONE WAY OUT.
AND IF YOU REROUTE IT IN THE OTHER WAY, IS THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR TWO A AND TWO WAY OUT OR WOULD IT ONLY BE THE ONE? IT WOULD STILL BE THIS WAY.
IT WOULD BE, YOU GOT TWO WAY AND TWO WAY OUT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE, THE DRIVE TO PART OF THE BANK, YOU'D WANT TO PULL INTO THE LOT AND PULL BACK OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE YOU DOING YOUR BANKING? SO AGAIN, WE WILL JUST, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AND SEE IF WE CAN ORIENTATE THAT, BLOCK IT OFF FROM THE TOPS FROM THE GAS.
WHAT'S ANOTHER, UH, STRUCTURE APPROVED FOR THAT OTHER COMPUTER? WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT? WE ACTUALLY, UM, THIS STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED IS TWICE THE SIZE OF THE CHASE.
SO THIS WAS ALMOST, UM, SO THAT TOOK UP THE WHOLE SPACE.
IT TOOK UP THE WHOLE SPACE AND WE ADDED A LOT OF PARKING.
SO BASICALLY THE, THE BANK DOESN'T NEED AS MUCH PARKING, UH, A DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS.
SO WE SHIFTED IT, IT LEAVES A SMALL SPACE.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE LEFT AS GRASS FOR NOW.
IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK, WE WERE FUTURE A SMALL TENANT.
WE'LL BE BACK TO THE PLAN BOARD.
WELL, BECAUSE YOU, ON THE, THE MAP, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE GRASS.
IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, I WOULD SAY GRAVELING, RIGHT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, IF WE COULD VEGETATE THAT OR IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THAT AREA, THAT'S ANOTHER ALL RIGHT.
WE, WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY
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GRASP OVER THAT FOR NOW.I MEAN SOME, SOME PERFECT, MAYBE SOME SHRUBS OR LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EDGE OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO BEAUTIFY THAT CORNER WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO WE RECOGNIZING YOU STILL WANT VISIBILITY, WE'LL LOOK AT GRASS HERE AND THEN SOME, AT LEAST SOME LOW SHRUBS TO FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL WE HAVE A FUTURE, MAYBE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE STORM WATER IS ALREADY ADEQUATE ON THE SITE WAS DESIGNED FOR
SO THIS ENTIRE SITE IS ALREADY DESIGNED FOR THIS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THIS BUILDING TO BE THERE.
THERE'S A BIT OF A HILL, SO IT'S GONNA RUN INTO THEIR PROPERTY ANYWAY.
THIS JUST FITS INTO WHAT, WHAT I, WE CALL PAD SITE.
WHEN WE GET TO A BUILDING, WE HAVE THOSE LITTLE SITES LEFT.
THOSE PADS ARE LIKE, UM, PUZZLE PIECES, RIGHT? SO THIS BUILDING FITS IN THE PUZZLE PIECES ALREADY LAID OUT THERE.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING.
YOU MENTIONED NICE LANDSCAPING ON THE CORNER.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE DID PRIVATE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
ALL THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BANK IS VERY ATTRACTIVE.
UM, IT'S A FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT PART.
OUR BANK IS, IT'S NOT A HIGH TRAFFIC GENERATOR USUALLY.
INTERESTING POINT WITH THE A WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SEE FOR WEARING AND SOME CASH, RIGHT? RANDOMLY OVER.
OR THEY'RE WALKING AROUND IN
AND WE DID PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UM, ACROSS THE FRONT, RIGHT TO THE SIDEWALK.
SO WE ANTICIPATED THERE'D BE WALKERS HERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE OF THAT.
SO WE ALREADY DID THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
SO YOU CAN WALK RIGHT UP TO THE BANK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DRIVE, DRIVE UP THERE, CROSS TRAFFIC TO DO IT.
SO DO YOU WANNA BE ON IN TWO WEEKS? I DO.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 4, 2 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, CHASE BANK TO APRIL 6TH.
ALL IN FAVOR? I THOUGHT YOU, ME TO VOTE.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS OAKVILLE HOMES AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF PROPOSED COMMERCIAL EDITION TO BE LOCATED AT 5 6 7 3 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
SO THIS IS JUST IN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THIS IS MY BUSINESS PARTNER COST.
SO WE'RE THE OWNERS OF OAK BAY HOMES AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE OWN THE BUILDING, UH, 56 73 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO AN ADDITION, A 1600 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
IT COST TO KIND OF TALK IT THROUGH, UM, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AND, AND WHAT OUR IDEAS ARE.
AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
DREW, SARAH TOLD ME TO ASK ABOUT THIS.
THAT, THAT OURS, THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY SO YOU CAN, I DUNNO IF WE NO, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST, YEAH, SARAH JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LEFT.
SO YEAH, WE, UH, WE RUN A SMALL, UM, SMALL BUSINESS.
WE WERE ACTUALLY HERE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, WE PROPOSED, UH, GOT A CHANGE OF USE, UH, FROM WHEN IT WAS THE DELI TO, OR THE GAS STATION? DELI.
THE GAS STATION ACROSS, IT WAS BEER.
SO IT WAS, UH, IT WAS, UH, UNDER THE USE OF DELICATE TEST AND GAS STATION, WE CHANGED IT, UH, TO OUR, OPERATE OUR BUSINESS OUT OF IT.
AND SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO, AT THIS POINT, UM, WE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE SPACE AND THEN REMODEL THE FACADE.
UH, FINALLY THE, UM, AT THE TIME, AT THE PREVIOUS TIME WE PROPOSED THE FACADE.
WE JUST HADN'T GOT TO IT WITH SHUTDOWNS AND EVERYTHING.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE ADDITION WILL BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, BORDERING OUR PROPERTY LINE AT 1600 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, NEW SCREENING ALONG THE, UM, THAT'D BE THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THE, OUR BORDER WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A 40 FOOT BUFFER THERE.
IT'S A NATIONAL FUEL PROPERTY.
UH, BUFFERS US FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING NEW SCREENING ALONG THERE, UM, TO SCREEN IN OUR, UM, DUMP TRAILER AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE SITTING OUTSIDE OUR BUILDING NOW.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST UPDATING THE PARKING
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STRIPING.UH, WE'LL BE DOING A NEW HANDICAP SPOT WITH THIS.
IT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUILDING IS, UH, JUST STORAGE, INTERIOR STORAGE FOR OUR VEHICLES AND OUR TOOLS AND MATERIALS.
WE DO HAVE A 200 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SPACE, UH, THAT WE JUST USE FOR OURSELVES.
UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MANY CUSTOMERS COME ON SITE.
WE HAVE, UH, FOUR EMPLOYEES AND THE TWO OF US.
UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE'S TWO OR THREE CARS THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? SARAH NOTES? THEY NEED A VARIANCE.
THEY'RE GONNA, FOR THE FRONT YARD BOARD APPEAL, WHICH WILL BE THE DAY BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
SO THEY'LL APPEAR BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF FIELDS.
THEY DON'T MEET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS 40 FEET.
UM, AND YOUR USE IS IF WITH WHEN WE APPROVE, IF WE APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, IT WILL BE CONDITIONED UPON, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE THERE.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE STORAGE IS THAT YOUR EQUIPMENT STUFF IS GONNA GO IN THE BUILDING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THERE, THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE SHOWN HERE, SO THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE ALLOW.
SO JUST SO THIS ENCLOSED STORAGE AREA IS NOT JUST FENCE, IT'S ACTUALLY A BUILDING.
THE NEW ONE IN THE
IT'S JUST A, IT'S A, IT KIND OF PROVIDES THE SCREENING ALONG THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THE GATE OFF THE DRIVEWAY.
IF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, IT'S A DUMP TRAILER.
IT'S A, IT'S A REGISTERED WITH DOT.
UH, IT'S A TRAILER THAT WE TOW BEHIND.
UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, A DUMPSTER PER SE.
HOW MANY TREES DO YOU HAVE TO CUT DOWN FOR THE ADDITION? NONE.
YEAH, THE OVERHEAD, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S JUST A HEAD, UH, RIGHT NOW BETWEEN US AND THE CHINESE RESTAURANT.
SO THAT THE OVERHEAD LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOME TREES THERE.
OOPS, I SHOULDN'T BE IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.
I JUST MAKE SURE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
C ONE? I DON'T THINK C ONE ALLOWS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
YES, WE WERE TALKING WITH TIM ABOUT THAT IN BUILDING APARTMENT AND I MEAN, UM, I THINK BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S, THE TRAILER IS REALLY, THAT'S WHAT'S GETTING PARKED THERE.
UM, MORE FOR SECURITY, SECURITY BUILDING.
AND SO IT'S NOT SO THE NEIGHBORS DON'T DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ALL THE MATERIALS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS IN THE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IT FOR.
RENAME THIS, THAT, WHAT'S THAT? DO WE NEED TO RENAME IT AS ENCLOSED VEHICLE PARKING? RIGHT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS TO MAKE A INTERPRETATION.
UH, IF THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION, THEN OF COURSE CAM WILL GET INVOLVED IN YOUR STORING VEHICLES.
WHETHER IT'S GOTTA BE PAVED OR A CERTAIN, CERTAIN TYPE OF SURFACE TO THAT.
RIGHT? IT'S ALL ASPHALT BACK HERE.
THE UM, MAJORITY OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS GRASS.
UM, WE ASSUMED GRAVEL, BUT WE, IF WE NEED TO PAVE IT, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL.
RICK USED TO HAVE WE GONNA ALLOW IF THEY'RE GONNA STORE VEHICLES OR THESE ARE MOTORIZED VEHICLES? NO, IT'S TRAILERS TRAILER.
LIKE A YEAH, IT'S UH, IT'S 10 FOOT BY SIX FOOT.
IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SMALL VEHICLE.
IT FITS IN ANY RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY.
UM, AGAIN, OUR BIGGEST THING IS SECURITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT MCKINLEY.
IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FOR SOMEONE TO HOOK UP AND DRIVE AWAY WITH IT.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL WELL IF YOU'VE TALKED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE'LL TALK TO THEM.
I JUST SAW YEAH, OUTDOOR STORAGE.
BECAUSE THAT'S AN OUTDOOR STORAGE IN A C ONE ZONE.
BUT IF IT'S CONSIDERED PARKING FOR VEHICLES, THEN MAYBE WE CAN, AND BASED ON THEIR INTERPRETATION, COULD WE, UH, GO FOR A VARIANCE? I DON'T TRY.
A USE VERSUS A SO I WOULD, I WOULD, OKAY.
WE'LL LOOK FOR IF, IF TIM HAS LOOKED AT US AND, AND SAID HE IS INTERPRETED, WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE'LL THEN THE PLANNING BOARD WILL CONSIDERE.
BUT TYPICALLY C ONE WE DON'T HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BESIDE THERE, ANY A SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE RIGHT UP AND THE, ON THE RIGHT IS THERE RESIDENT RESIDENCE? NO, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALSO C ONE.
THAT'S THE CHINESE RESTAURANT.
IS THERE ANY ABILITY TO DO ANY LAND? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S ALL PAVED, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON THE FRONTAGE TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC? YES.
ON THIS PART? UM, OH, I, AT, AT THE ROAD ITSELF? YEAH.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO TAKE OUT A CURB CUT, UM, THAT WAS THERE.
IF WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE TURNING AROUND THERE AND SOME OF THE IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED.
SOME OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORS TOO.
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END UP THERE.UM, AND WE COULD, WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF GREEN SPACE ALONG THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST TALKING GRASS OR LIKE, UH, SHRUBBERY STUFF.
I DUNNO IF THEY'RE GONNA STAY WITH SALT.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE ISSUE IS, UH, UH, MCKINLEY PARKWAY, WE JUST, WE END UP WITH A, THAT ENDS UP BEING A SNOWBANK ALL WINTER AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA GET CRUSHED.
UM, IT'S EVEN HARD TO KEEP GRASS THERE.
IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DETER PEOPLE FROM JUST DRIVING OVER IT.
THERE'S, IF YOU, THERE'S THE CURVE TO TURNAROUND, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE RECURVE IT EITHER WAY.
I'M, I'M ON IT WITH THE LARGE, THE, THE BIG PLANTERS.
I'VE SEEN THEM DO THAT WHERE THEY'LL HAVE THE PLANTERS OUT IN THE SUMMER, SPRING, SUMMER AND FALL.
PULL 'EM IN AND THE WINTER'S BUILDING.
IT'S, AND THAT WOULD ALSO VISIBLY BE LIKE, HEY, WE SHUT THIS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
WOULD YOU WANT TO, YOU'D WANNA BE ON THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE ZBA MEETS THE NIGHT BEFORE.
RIGHT? THEY ANSWER YOUR VARIANCE, THEN THE PLANNING BOARD CAN CONSIDER YOUR PROJECT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THEY TABLE YOU AT THE ZONING BOARD MEETING, THEN WE WILL TAB, PROBABLY TABLE YOU UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT EBA MEETING.
AND AGAIN, IF THINGS GO NOT FINE, IF THINGS GO WELL, YOU GET YOUR VARIANCE.
THE PLANNING BOARD MEETS THAT, THAT WEDNESDAY.
IF EVERYTHING IS FINE, THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, THEY'LL SET A PUBLIC HEARING AND TECHNICALLY WE GET APPROVED TWO WEEKS FROM THEN.
I, YOU KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE, YOU'RE THE BUILDING BUSINESS
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S THAT?
YEAH, WE, WE PUT THE DOORS IN SOMETHING I A DIFFERENCE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE OAKVILLE HOMES IN DEVELOPMENT TO APRIL 6TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS MATT JAWORSKI REQUESTING CATCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSED MINI STORAGE FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 5 6 6 1 CAMP ROAD.
THE FIRST QUESTION, IS THIS AN EXISTING BUILDING? NO.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE VACANT JUNKYARD, RIGHT? WE JUNK.
SO BEFORE CHRIS STARTS, STAY OUTTA THE WAY THE SARAH AND TIM SAID THEIR STORAGE IS OKAY.
WHAT'S THAT? TIM SAID THEIR OUTDOOR PARKING ENCLOSURE IS OKAY.
THE ISSUE IN DOING THE FORMAL WITH TIM, NO.
SHE PROBABLY TALKED OVER AND DOING THE FORMAL ZONING REVIEW.
THIS IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS AREA.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO GET A USE VARIANCE.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
THEY WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT, UH, THIS IS A LARGE ENOUGH PROJECT THAT WE WANNA DO A SECRET COORDINATOR VIEW.
THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE USE VARIANCE HAS TO COME FIRST.
I KNOW THE ZBA WOULD PROBABLY THE ZB A'S GONNA ENTERTAIN THIS.
THE ZBA WOULD PROBABLY WANT YOU TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME COORDINATION.
WE'LL LET THEM DECIDE ON APPLYING AND SEE HOW THEY WANT TO GO WITH THE ZBA A, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE ZBA.
THEY CAN'T MAKE A USE UH, DECISION UNLESS A LEAD AGENCY IS ESTABLISHED THAT THAT'S HOW YOU WANNA DO IT, WHICH I WOULD RECOMMEND HIGHLY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE ZBA MAKE A SECRET DECISION AND THE PLANNING WILL MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
I WAS GONNA ASK IF WE COULD, YOU GUYS COULD AUTHORIZE COORDINATED YOU TONIGHT.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR USE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR THE ZBA.
SO IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE'RE GONNA SEND A MEMO TO THE ZBA THAT WHEN THEY GO TO YOU, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST CONSIDER, GIVE SOME INPUT.
AND IT'S VERY UNUSUAL FOR ZBA A, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TABLE IT AND ESTABLISH LEAD AGENCY.
AND MOST PROBABLY THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE LEAD AGENCY.
SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
SEVEN DIFFERENT PLANNING BOARDS.
THIS IS WHERE THERE USED TO BE A, THERE USED TO BE LIKE AN OLD LIKE CAR PLACE HERE.
RIGHT? IT WAS A JUNK, IT WAS A JUNKYARD.
THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE TIM BUILDING BILLBOARD OVER HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IS THE BILLBOARD STAYING? YES.
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ASSUME PHASE ONE AUDIT, IF YOU WANTED TO GET RID OF THE BUILDING ON TOP OF THE GROUND, THE, BECAUSE IT USED TO HAVE LOTS OF VARIED THINGS IN THERE.THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM I THINK IS IT'S, IT'S GOT I THINK A LIMITED USE TO SOME DEGREE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORY OF IT.
A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE CAPPING COVER, WHICH WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, UH, FOR STATE REGULATIONS AND THINGS THAT NATURE TIRES OUT AGAIN.
UH, I'VE WALKED IT, THERE'S A FEW HERE AND THERE, BUT PULLED THEM OUT ORIGINALLY.
I THINK SOMEONE'S LIVING IN A FORT BACK THERE NOW TOO.
SO
AND UM, AND, AND ALSO JUST EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE STREET EXPOSURE, SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE HIDDEN BACK.
I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF, UH, WITH, WITH TOWNS THAT I'VE DEALT WITH.
UM, NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE UGLY DOORS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NICE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT BACKS UP TO A, A TRAIN TRACK.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A 250, UH, FOOT BUFFER AND WE COULD EVEN DO MORE IF WE WANTED TO.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO WITH KIND OF MIXED USE IN THE FRONT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE REALLY WOULD BE NO STREET EXPOSURE EXCEPT FOR A STOREFRONT, UM, ON, ON CAMP ROAD.
THAT'S THE WEIRD THING ABOUT THIS.
IF THEY GIVE A USE VARIANCE, TYPICALLY THESE REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO USE THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH IS JUST WHAT YOU SAID.
WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE THE MINI STORAGE OUT FRONT.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE A BUILDING OUT FRONT, A REGULAR BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT FOUR ACRES OF REUSE RIGHT ON, ON UH, ON CAMP ROAD, WHICH WE'RE SAVING FOR, WHICH YOU PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MIXED USE, BEAUTIFUL, NICE BUILDING THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PALATABLE AS PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND, AND IT'S AN ASSET TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST BE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
COMPLETELY BACK AND FORTH ZONING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD.
I'M PRETTY SURE THE ZBA IS NOT GONNA WANT TO BE LEAD AGENCY AND DO SEEKER ON THIS, YOU'LL ADDRESS THE SEEKER ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE SECRET ISSUES IS JUST HOW YOU'RE HANDLING THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
I MEAN, I WOULD WANT SOME SORT OF CHARACTERIZATION OF THE SOIL THAT YOU'RE DEMONSTRATING TO US AND THEN TO KNOW HOW YOUR HAND BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO PREVENT ANY EXPOSURE TO, THERE'S SOME RESIDE WAY IN THE BACK.
WELL, THOSE, THOSE ACTUALLY ZONED R THREE AND THEY USED TO BE APARTMENTS.
THEY'VE BEEN CONVERTED TO OFFICES OKAY.
BUT TO MAKE SURE, OH, THERE'S NO OTHER IMPACTS TO ANYBODY ELSE FROM SOIL MIGRATION SHEET FLOW, ANY OF THAT.
CERTAINLY THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PART OF THE SECRET REVIEW.
AND UH, ESPECIALLY USED CONDITIONS DO LIKE, LIKE DREW SAID, THEY REQUIRE A BUFFER IN THE FRONT.
AND ONE OF THE SCREENING METHODS IS ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS AND IT REQUIRES THE A HUNDRED FOOT, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER IN THE BACK ALSO, WHICH WE HAVE ON THERE.
SO SINCE I PRESUME THAT YOU ARE NOT GONNA WANT US TO EVALUATE ANOTHER USE THERE, BECAUSE YOU DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO YET, RIGHT? LIKE THEN YOU, WE WOULD NEED AN INTERIM LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE FRONT TO DEMONSTRATE THE SCREENING UNTIL SUCH TIME AS SOMEONE OPTED TO DEVELOP THE OTHER USE MM-HMM
AND WE CAN SHOW YOU A CONCEPT PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT OR NOT.
WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVAL OF THAT ANYHOW.
I LIKE TO LOOK AT STUFF, BUT IT'S FICTITIOUS.
WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO IT AT A MEETING.
BECAUSE IF THEY SHOW ANYTHING AS A CONCEPT PLAN, I GOTTA CONSIDER IT A SECRET DECISION.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AS A SEPARATE PLAN IN CASE IT NEVER HAPPENS THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT BUFFER AND LANDSCAPING WHATEVER UPFRONT.
I CAN'T COUNT THAT'S BEEN UNDEVELOPED.
THERE'S BEEN A VERY LONG TIME.
I'VE, I'VE PROBABLY WORKED ON THREE DIFFERENT PROJECT VENDORS SITE THAT NEVER WENT ANY PLACE, BUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS IN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND THE COST OF THAT.
AND, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR HOCKEY RINK TOO.
THERE'S GONNA BE A HOCKEY RINK.
THERE'S GONNA BE A ZONING ZONING APPLICATION AND BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE THE ZONING DECISION, THERE'S A SECRET DECISION.
IF THERE'S A ZONING APPROVAL, THEN IT COMES BACK FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WE'RE GONNA SUB, WE'RE NOT GONNA SUBDIVIDE IT.
SO JUST SITE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND AS IF THEY SUBDIVIDED IT, WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
SO DOLLAR GENERAL SITE PLAN, IT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I GOTTA LOOK AT, IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND I'LL WORK WITH JENNIFER, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A FLOW CHART.
YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO USE DECISIONS.
SO IF THEY GET A USE VARIANCE, THEY WILL NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT WE WILL MAKE THEM MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHATEVER.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO USE DECISIONS.
IF IF THEY GET THE USE, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.
AND BY THE WAY, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET, THAT'D BE THE AWKWARD PART.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE USE VARIANCE UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE SECRET PROCESS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE SEEKER FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION.
IT'S DIFFICULT ON YOUR PART BECAUSE YOU'LL BE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS AND YOU COULD GET DENIED FOR THE USE VARIANCE.
AS, YOU KNOW, USE VARIANCES ARE AND
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SEAN WILL GIVE YOU GOOD INPUT.YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU COULD GET NO OTHER REASON WHY NOT RETURN ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S, WE'VE TRIED GET THAT BALL ROLLING IMMEDIATELY SO, RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA BE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH, UM, A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S A RISK ON THEIR PART BECAUSE WE COULD GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING AND EVEN IF WE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WHENEVER, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROVE THE CRITERIA FOR USE MERIT.
IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT BUT WE'LL BE TO THE DBA A INITIALLY, THEY JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.
WHETHER WE'RE GONNA GET, YEAH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET A, GET A FEEL FROM THAT.
THEY'RE NOT USED TO GIVING THAT DBA DON'T USUALLY GIVE OPINIONS AND WHATEVER, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE IT AND LET THE PLANNING BOARD DO SEEKER.
HOPE THEY'D BE NICE ENOUGH TO SAY, OH, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE MAKE OUR ZBA APPLICATION, WE'LL INCLUDE EAF IN THERE, WHICH WILL GO, I WOULD USE A-F-B-A-F AND ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE, SARAH AND I WILL WRITE A MEMO SHEET TO THE, THE ZBA SAYING THAT THIS APPEARS, YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE IT AND PROBABLY ALLOW THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE LEAD AGENCY AND ANYTHING YOU CAN PROVIDE ON THE SOIL CONDITIONS, REMEDIATION, PASS CLEANUP, ATTACH THAT TO YOUR FVAF.
UM, YEAH, AND WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED A PHASE TWO UM OH GO WHICH, BORING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE IF THERE'S ANYTHING DANGEROUS THERE, WE WANNA KNOW.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO PROVIDE THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IF YOU CAN.
MAKE AN INTERESTING, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT SAT EMPTY FOR SO LONG IS BE HOT.
PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T WANNA INVEST IN GOING IN AND DOING A PHASE TWO AND THEY'RE JUST AFRAID OF WHAT, WHAT'S THERE AND, AND, UH, BUT SO USING AN EXISTING CURB CUT.
WELL, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THAT STUFF.
WE, WE HAVE, WE, THIS THIS IS A MORE OF A FEASIBILITY PLAN.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE TOPO, WHICH HAS THE REAL LOCATIONS OF THE CURB CUTS AND STUFF.
AND WE'RE GONNA REDRAW THIS BASED ON THE TOPO GRAVEL TOO.
WHAT'S THAT? THE CURRENT PARKING LOT? DRIVEWAY AREA GRAVEL TOO, OR? NO, WHERE IT COMES IN OFF THE CAMPUS.
UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF GRAVEL THERE.
I THINK THEY USED TO PROBABLY JUST SCROLL DOWN.
IT MIGHT, MIGHT BE PAVED AND THEN IT TURNED INTO GRAVEL OVER YEARS.
IT'S BEEN, I THINK SINCE 1945.
THEY PROBABLY JUST KIND OF THREW STONE DOWN THERE, HERE AND THERE WHEN THEY NEEDED IT.
AND THAT'S, IT'S ABOUT, AND THERE'S A COUPLE BLACKTOP DRIVEWAYS THAT ENDS ACTUALLY BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
THAT'S THE ONE POSITIVE THING IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT, BUILD A FOUNDATION OR BASEMENT IN WHATEVER.
UM, AND USUALLY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST DEALING WITH THE STATE AGENCY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES AND EVERYTHING.
NORMALLY IF THERE IS ANYTHING IN THERE, IT'S A CAP AND COVER.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE WHOLE SITE WOULD END UP BEING.
SO YOU ARE ENCAPSULATING IF THERE IS ANY DANGEROUS, UH, OR, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY DANGEROUS, 'CAUSE MOST OF THE TIME WHAT YOU FIND IN THESE, AND WE DID IT, UH, IN SOUTH BUFFALO FOR A STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONTAINERS, AND IT'S JUST A CAP AND COVER IS WHAT THE, SO IT WOULD BE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WOULD, ANYTHING WE DO, THERE WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE AGENCY ANYWAYS TOO, AS, AS TO REMEDIATE THE PROBLEM.
IF THERE IN FACT IS ANY, ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL.
AND IT'S PROBABLY JUST HEAVY METALS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THERE.
AND IF YOU NEEDED FOR AN OFFICE HOOK UP TO WATER, YOU'RE KNOCKING, BRING A SEPTIC IN, YOU'RE NOT NO, NO, NO.
YOU CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC WATER.
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING'S ON THE STREET.
SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
ASK THEM TO, TO DECIDE WHEN THEY WANT.
COME BACK BECAUSE ACTUALLY, TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE A TABLE.
SO WE'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE MATT JAWORSKI.
OKAY, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION.
UH, WELCOME TO THE MARCH 16TH, 2022 MEETING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE RISE WITH PP ALLY SUICIDE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TRUE TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE TO SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, RIGHT, GEORGE, YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
SHE'S LIKE A REPEAT SECOND HOLD ON'S.
NO, LET, LET'S CALL IT GET IT STARTED THOUGH.
LET'S, UH, FIRST I ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MARK MOLE REQUESTING SITE PLAN
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APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL FOR A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED AT 2 9 4 5 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.UM, HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND ARE THESE SOLAR PANELS? LEADING FRONT EDGE, TWO AND A HALF FEET OFF THE GROUND.
UH, REAR, UM, MAX HEIGHT AT 25 DEGREE PITCH IS GONNA BE EIGHT FOOT THREE INCHES MAX HEIGHT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S IN DOUG'S FOLDER.
DREW, CAN YOU BRING DOUG'S FOLDER OVER? DOUG'S FOLDER, SARAH? SO YOU SAID TWO AND A HALF FEET OFF THE GROUND? YEP.
LEADING EDGE, IT'S GONNA BE TWO AND A HALF FEET OF CLEARANCE BELOW THE ARRAY.
AND THEN ON THE REAR EDGE, UH, YOU'LL HAVE EIGHT AND EIGHT FEET, THREE INCHES.
AND THE PITCH IS, UH, 25 DEGREES.
IT'S A FIXED, SO GROUND MOUNT SO IT CANNOT TRACK THE SUN ON ANY ACCESS.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA REMAIN AT 25 DEGREES.
UM, SO HI, MY NAME'S LIAM MCMAHON.
I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH BUFFALO SOLAR AND I'M JUST HERE PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF MR. MARK MOLES, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, TRYING TO PUT IN FOR A LITTLE BIT NOW.
BUT, UM, UPON OUR FIRST INITIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, UPON OUR INITIAL APPLICATION WITH YOU GUYS, DUE TO SOME MISHAPS WITH, UH, MY, UM, ZONING CODE VERIFICATION, I SUBMITTED A, UH, INCOMPLETE, UM, APPLICATION THAT GOT MISTAKENLY APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND, UM, PERMITTED.
SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE DESIGNS AS, UH, AS PERMITTED.
AND THEN BOTH THE TOWN AND BUFFALO SOLAR REALIZED THAT THEY HAD SCREWED UP.
AND, UH, HERE WE ARE TO TRY AND MAKE IT CORRECT WITH THE CODE COMPLIANCE SETBACKS OF 30 FEET FOR TIER TWO, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED SYSTEM.
AND, UM, OUR MOST UPTODATE PLAN SETS REFLECT THOSE 30, UH, 30 FOOT SETBACKS.
AND AS OF, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THE ORIGINAL, UM, THE ORIGINAL C PILES THAT WERE PNEUMATICALLY POUNDED IN HAVE BEEN CUT AT THE BASE AND ABANDONED, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SETBACKS WERE NOT CODE COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND AT THIS POINT, THE POSTS ARE NO LONGER VISIBLE THAT WERE THERE BEFORE.
AND, UM, WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CODE COMPLIANT PLACEMENT OF THE ARRAY.
AND THIS ONE, THESE NO VARIANCES AND THERE ARE NO TREES BEING REMOVED.
NO, NO DEFORESTATION OR ANYTHING? NO, NO HEAVY REMOVAL OF ANY SOIL BESIDES JUST FOR THE TRENCHING.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THE SEA PILES GET PNEUMATICALLY DRIVEN IN, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ANY TRUE REMOVAL OF EARTH OR SOIL.
UM, OR WHAT'S THE ACREAGE? UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE COVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, YEAH.
SO THE ARRAY AT 25 DEGREES HERE, IT'LL COVER A HORIZONTAL SPAN OF APPROXIMATELY 12 AND A HALF FEET.
AND THEN THE LENGTH OF THE, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE LENGTH OF THE TABLE WILL BE ABOUT 51 FEET.
SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TOTAL AROUND 300 AND, OR EXCUSE ME, 638.75 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THE TRENCH IS, EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND WHILE I VERIFY THIS, THE TRENCH IS ROUGHLY BETWEEN 330 AND 350 FEET GOING BACK TO HIS, UM, MASSIVE POLE BARN.
AND THAT GETS FILLED IN TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'LL GET BACK, UM, FILLED AND GRADED.
THE ONLY SERVICE WITH THE TRENCH THAT US AS BUFFALO SOLAR DON'T PROVIDE IS JUST REPLANTING GRASS SEED, WHICH UPON REQUEST FROM MARK, ESPECIALLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE PROJECT, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST RESEED THE PATH ANYWAYS.
HONESTLY, IT'S ALL NATURAL GRASSES.
I WEEK AFTER THEY PUT THE TRENCH IN LAST TIME IT WAS GROWING BACK IN ON, SO.
SO, AND UH, JUST FOR YOUR GUYS' REFERENCE, THIS SYSTEM WAS SIZED BASED OFF OF, UH, HIS PAST 12 MONTHS USAGE.
AND WE AS CONTRACTORS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SIZE FOR OVER 110% OFFSET.
HIS SYSTEM JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE PROJECTED TO OFFSET 110%.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE NOTICE I GOT THE NOTICE.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY MARK MA TO INSTALL A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY AT 29 45 SOUTH CREEK SOUTH.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 16TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MARK MOLE'S SOLAR ARRAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? SORRY, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS
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SMALL PLAN SET FROM THE BACK, BUT I WOULD WELCOME ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY'S HERE THAT WANTS TO SEE THAT? ALRIGHT, SO THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY HERE ON THE MARK MOLE SOLAR ARRAY FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANYBODY SPEAKING BEFORE OR AGAINST THE MARK MO SOLAR ARRAY? I'M SEEING NO COMMENTS.I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING A BIT SHORT TODAY.
UM, ARE YOU, I'M SORRY, LOOKING, ARE YOU TAKING ANY TREES DOWN? NO, THERE IS NO DEFORESTATION OR ANY TREE REMOVAL INVOLVED WITH THIS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, BILL, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO OBVIOUSLY AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PUT TOGETHER DRAFT SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS AND DRAFT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THIS IS FOR TIER TWO, IT'S JUST SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE MARK MO TO APRIL 6TH AND REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS DRAFT SEEKER RESOLUTIONS AND SITE PLAN, RIGHT? IT'S JUST SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
ANY ANY, I'M SORRY, ON, ON THE MOTION.
ANY CONDITIONS TO THAT? ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF THAT THE STANDARD ONES IN THE LAW.
I'LL PUT THE STANDARD ONES IN THE LAW.
THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HAMBURG TOWN LAW AND ANY OTHER STATE OR FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS AND, UH, AND THAT WILL BE THAT HOPEFULLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING US GUYS APPRECIATE IT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHRISTOPHER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS OUR IT'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS OUR OKAY GUY.
OKAY, SO, UH, NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA IS A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
DAVE MANKO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE SIDE OF CAMP ROAD.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES.
AND BEFORE WE WERE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT, OR WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NEXT, WE WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON THE CHANGES.
THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED AND A GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT WAS DONE.
EACH PROJECT COMES IN FOR ITS OWN APPROVAL.
THIS ONE, WHEN IT CAME IN FOR ITS OWN APPROVAL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CONCEPT PLAN BY, AND WE'VE REDUCED IT DOWN TO, I THINK IT'S FIVE OR HOW MANY? LOTS DIFFERENT.
FIVE THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL GDIS.
UM, AND THEY EXPLAINED AT THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T IF YOU WANT TO GO, WHY THAT HAD TO BE DONE AND WHATEVER.
WITH THE LOSS OF LOTS AND THE WETLANDS, WHEN YOU DEVELOP SOMETHING OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THEY RAN INTO A PROBLEM OF THE WETLANDS BEING LARGER AND HAVING TO RE DELINEATED.
UM, I KNOW CA AND YOU ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION, YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION IS ENOUGH.
SO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT WHAT YOU NEED.
WE HAVE TO, AS WHY CA IS ASKING THIS, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FINDINGS, WHICH SEAN SUBMITTED THE FINDINGS DOCUMENT AND GO THROUGH AND DOCUMENT THAT IT'S EITHER FULLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FINDINGS OR WE CAN DOCUMENT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT FULLY IN COURT IN ACCORDANCE, WHICH I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, BUT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FROM, FROM THAT CHANGE.
SO WHAT INFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET FROM YOU.
YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT DOCUMENTATION.
YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE FINDINGS DOCUMENT.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
UM, FROM A STANDPOINT OF DRAINAGE, CAMMY, CAMMY WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON IF THERE'S ANY DRAINAGE IMPACTS CAUSED FOR CAUSED BY THIS.
AGAIN, THERE WERE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE FINDINGS ABOUT GETTING A SWIFT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE WERE ISSUES ABOUT, I THINK THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS.
YOU BELIEVE THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS IS LESS? YES.
SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC IS THE SAME OR LESS.
RIGHT? AGAIN, I'M TURNING OVER YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT FINDINGS DOCUMENT? I WOULD, THE ONE THING WE'D ASKED FOR AT THE LAST MEETING WE DID NOT GET FROM SEAN, I THINK YOU DID THE VISUAL PORTION OF IT, WAS THAT IF SEAN, TO SUPPORT OUR ANALYSIS FOR THE FINDING STATEMENT, IF SEAN COULD WRITE UP THE VERBAL STORY WE TALKED THROUGH LAST TIME.
OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE CHANGE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BUILDINGS.
HERE'S WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY, HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE, NOW HERE'S WHY WE THINK THAT'S CONSISTENT.
HERE'S WHY WE HAD MORE DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE BEFORE, BUT WE REDUCED IT.
IF YOU CAN HAVE SEAN KIND OF PUT IT IN A NARRATIVE.
PUT IT IN A NARRATIVE, TELL US THE STORY THAT WE KIND OF TEASED OUT THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS, NANCY,
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IN THE LAST MEETING.TO KIND OF BACK UP WHY WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANGES AND JUST HIT THE, HIT THE KEY POINTS.
I THINK THAT WOULD, I I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
AND JUST SO WE IN FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IN CASE SOMEONE'S HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THIS, UM, BUT A PROCESS STANDPOINT, THEY SUBMITTED A SKETCH PLAN.
THEY WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION BASED ON THAT WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
IF THE SECRET DECISION IS IN THEIR FAVOR, THEY WOULD THEN PUT FULL PLANS TOGETHER AND COME BACK FOR YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL WHERE WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ET CETERA.
WE WANTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING MEETING SO YOU COULD FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
TWO SHEETS OF PLYWOOD THEY STOLE FROM US AND MADE THE FOUR OUT ITSELF.
AND, UH, I, I GOTTA SEE IT VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THOSE SIDEWALKS AND STUFF.
SO I CAN, I WILL COMMUNICATE TO SEAN.
HE WASN'T HERE TONIGHT, BUT UM, OBVIOUSLY GREENMAN PETERSON DID GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE, HIGHLIGHTED EVERYTHING AND OBVIOUSLY OUR UH, IMPACT IMPERIOUS MATERIAL IS ABOUT, UH, PROBABLY AN ACRE AND A QUARTER OR LESS OVERALL WITH THE INCREASE TO THE GRAY IS THE DECREASE.
THE GREEN IS THE INCREASE TO THE AREAS WITH THIS INCREASE IN NET DECREASE AND WITH THE DECREASE OVERALL.
WE HAVE I THINK POINT, UH, 51,000 SQUARE FEET OF DECREASED DEVELOPMENT AREA OVERALL IN THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WE RENDERING OF THOSE NEW BUILDINGS I CAN BRING 'EM WITH WHEN NEXT TIME.
AND IF YOU CAN, THEY'RE THE, IF YOU'RE, UM, OUT AND ABOUT, UM, THE ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP ARE ONES THAT WERE BUILT OVER IN WEST SENECA.
BRIAN YOUNG JUST HAD BUILT THEM.
NEXT IT, IT WAS THE OLD AMERICAN LEGION SITE NEXT TO SCHWABB.
SO IF YOU'RE OUT THAT WAY RIDING AROUND IT, IT'LL BE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS BUILT THERE.
WE'LL WANT ULTIMATELY FOR THE FILES SORT OF RENDER.
SO AGAIN, BILL, UM, TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, BUT IF, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN PASS A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE DRAFT MATERIALS FOR YOUR SEEKER DECISION ON THIS.
AGAIN, I'LL GET TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME.
YOU CAN MARK 'EM UP AND CHANGE IT.
BUT WE CAN PUT THE DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER.
I'M GONNA TAKE THAT FINDINGS FORM, MARK IT ALL FINDING THAT, MARK IT ALL UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THEY PRESENTED INFORMATION, WHY THEY'RE IN CONFORMANCE OR IF THEY'RE NOT CONFORMANCE, WHY THEY BELIEVE IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
SO IF YOU WANT, I CAN PUT THOSE MATERIALS TOGETHER.
AGAIN, I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO DO, I'M JUST PUTTING THEM TOGETHER.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, YOU CAN ACT ON.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT WAS IN THAT? THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE OTHER STUFF IS, SO I THINK THAT DREW COULD DO A FIRST DRAFT OF SOME PART, PART.
I'M GONNA TAKE THE WHOLE FINDINGS DOCUMENT, SAY WHAT, WHAT HAS CHANGED OR WHAT MAY BE SO RIGHT.
LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULD, EXCEPT WE'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT TO SAY THERE ARE MORE UNITS.
HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER ISSUES? AND I THINK WE GOT THAT AT THE SAME TIME WE GET MM-HMM
THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE AND WHAT THAT IS AND THEN MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD.
I'LL BE OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING IT KIND OF LIKE A PRELIMINARY DRAFT.
AND AGAIN, IF, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION, THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH FULL SITE PLAN, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD GET INTO UNDER SITE PLAN.
WE CAN LOOK AT ARCHITECTURE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT WERE IN THE GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT FINDING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M FOCUSING ON THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE IT THIS TECHNICALLY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM, OH, YOU GOT NOTICE.
HERE'S ON TOP OF IT, WHICH YOU'LL FOR AN INFORMAL THING.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT ON A PROPOSAL BY DAVID MEKO TO CONSTRUCT PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD.
THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 16TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TODAY THAT CAME TO TALK ABOUT THE MANKO PROJECT? YEAH, CHECKING FACEBOOK.
YEAH, EVERYBODY LOOKS VERY FAMILIAR TODAY.
UH, WE HAVE ONE COMMENT TO JENNY, BUT THE MEETING WILL START VOLUNTARILY.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO INPUT.
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I I HAVE A QUESTION.UM, SO ON THE, THE SHORT E THE AGENCIES THAT YOU'LL NEED PERMITS FROM THE BOXES MARKED YES, BUT THE AGENCIES ARE NOT LISTED.
AND THEN I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE WETLAND INFORMATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE NATIONWIDE ONLY HAD A TWO YEAR LIFESPAN AND AT THE TIME THEY REQUESTED A WATER QUALITY CERTIFICATE.
SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON LIKE WHERE IS THE PERMITTING AT CURRENTLY? SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OUR CONSULTANT IS ERIC KROLL WHO DOES ALL OF OUR WETLAND PERMITTING AND REPORTING TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED ON TUESDAY OUR ANNUAL REPORT, UH, FOR ALL THE, UH, REMEDIATION THAT HAD BEEN COMPLETED, UM, ON THE ORIGINAL PERMIT.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, THAT REPORT WAS FILED WITH THE ARMY CORPS WE'RE CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
ERIC SAID, UM, UNTIL HE GETS THE REPORT BACK FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE JUST PUT IN FOR REVIEW.
SO FOR THIS SECTION OF THE PROJECT, ARE YOU FILLING ANY WETLANDS? NONE.
EVERYTHING IN THIS AREA HAS, THAT'S PART IN THE FINDINGS.
YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CORRECT WETLAND, YOU AND THEN AND THEN CIVIL SITE WORK AND CIVIL SITE PREP PREVIOUSLY UNDER THE PERMIT FROM THE ARMY FOUR AND THEN JUST DID NOT BUILD ON TOP OF THE GRADING.
AND THEN THIS BACK HERE OBVIOUSLY WAS THE REMEDIATED AREA THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR THE IMPACTED AREAS THAT WERE IN HERE ON THE ORIGINAL PERMIT.
SO THIS WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FILING COMPLIANCE WITH ANNUALLY WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND OBVIOUSLY ERIC SAID TO ME WE DID HAVE A NET DECREASE IN PERVIOUS MATERIAL IN THE EXISTING AREA.
FULL DISCLOSURE, ERIC CARL WITH DISTANT
YEAH, HE'S IN COLORADO RIGHT NOW VISITING SOME FAMILY, SO YES,
BILL, IF YOU WANNA AUTHORIZE US WITH PREPARE AND DRAFT MATERIALS.
UM, MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION OF THE FINDING STATEMENT UNDER SEEKER AND ANY ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO TO GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO YOU GUYS, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THAT YET THOUGH.
YOU COULD TURN MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK.
NOW YOU CAN DO, WE MAY NEXT MEETING BE APRIL 6TH.
YEAH, SO SEAN NEEDS TO DO HIS NARRATIVE.
FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING LAST TIME AND, UH, WHERE WE RECEIVED SOME INPUT.
AND THIS IS, UH, THE, THE FORMALIZED PROCESS OF THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA HEAR? THAT'S JUST A, A HANDOUT.
I GAVE IT TO SOME RESIDENTS TOO ABOUT WHERE WE STAND IN THE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THIS IS THE DOCUMENT WE'RE GONNA USE THE DOCUMENT COMMENT.
SO MY SUGGESTION, SO IF PROCEDURALLY, I, I THINK I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED, DREW, I HOPE WE CAN HELP US OUT.
UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA IDENTIFY THE COMMENTS THAT WE DEEMED SUB SUBSTANTIVE FOR A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS TO SUBMIT THAT STATEMENT.
OR ARE WE EDITING THE DRAFT TO INCLUDE WHAT WE THINK IS
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TO EXPLAIN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.WE'VE HAD IT WHERE THE APPLICANT DOES AN INITIAL DRAFT.
YOU CAN HAVE WHATEVER, BUT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF IT.
AND AS IT SAYS IN HERE WHAT IS IN A, A FINAL EIS, THE FINAL EIS HAS, UH, FIRST OF ALL COPIES AND SUMMARY OF THE SUBSEQUENT COMMENTS RECEIVED.
SO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
THE LEAD AGENCY'S RESPONSE, YOUR RESPONSE, THE APPLICANT MAY HELP YOU TRY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE.
BUT IT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, THE, THE, THE DIRECT MAY DIRECTLY INCORPORATE INTO THE, WE MAY DIRECTLY INCORPORATE, WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL DIS, WE CAN JUST COM REFERENCE IT OR WE CAN JUST INCLUDE WHAT ARE THE CHANGES TO IT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT IT SAYS HERE, LEAD AGENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR ADEQUACY AND ACCURACY OF THE FINAL DISI HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THE DEIS.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE DEIS, THAT IS THE APPLICANT'S POSITION ON IT.
YOU WILL THEN MAKE YOUR DECISIONS IN THE FEIS THEN WEIGH AND BALANCE THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS AND MAKING A DECISION.
SO WE'RE AT THE STEP NOW THAT WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING INPUT FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
SARAH SAYS, WE HAVE NOT GOT ANY INPUT FROM ANY AGENCIES AT THIS POINT.
JUST MAKE SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ADD YOUR OWN COMMENTS TO IT.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL THOSE COMMENTS, WHICH ARE SUBSTANTIVE.
THE HARDER PART, SINCE WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE FDIS, WHICH YOU MAY ADD TO, IS THAT WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? IT'S EASY TO SAY, THIS IS A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT.
HOW DO YOU WANT THEM TO ADDRESS THAT SUBSEQUENT COMMENT OR HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS IT? OR CAITLIN HAS SUGGESTED WE MAY GET AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT TO, TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT'S ALL UP YOUR DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GET THIS FEIS TOGETHER.
UM, WE'VE ASKED THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD COULD DO THE FIRST DRAFT OF IT, UH, AND PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA ADD TO IT AND YOU MAY GET OTHERS TO ADD TO IT.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS WHAT ARE THOSE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND HOW DO WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE ALL, ALL THOSE TONIGHT, BUT AT LEAST START TALKING ABOUT THEM.
THIS DOCUMENT THAT I OTHER DOCUMENT THAT I HANDED OUT IS, I, I DIDN'T TAKE THE DEIS 'CAUSE IT JUST BECOMES VOLUMINOUS.
I TOOK THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND UNDER EACH ITEM ADDED WHAT WE GOT COMMENTS ON, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO REFER TO THE DEIS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT.
CAITLYN MARKED UP THE ACTUAL DEIS.
RIGHT? I JUST TOOK THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND TRIED TO CUT AND PASTE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE HEADINGS THAT WERE IN THE SCOPE ONE YOU MARKED UP THAT WENT TO SARAH AND ME, THAT DIDN'T GO TO EVERYBODY YET, RIGHT? NO, I SENT IT TO YOU, JENNIFER, SARAH, AND DREW.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO INTERPLAY.
I MEAN, MY FIRST QUESTION, YOU GOT SOME STUFF THAT IS GREEN AND SOME STUFF THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED.
SO I SO SAYS GREEN THAT THAT'S HOW IT SHOWED UP IN MINE.
OH, THE YELLOW WAS IN THE FOOTER OF THEIR DOCUMENT.
NO, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I'VE DONE IN TRACK CHANGES, SO YOU PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT IT ON A COMPUTER.
SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING TOO.
OKAY, SO, UH, I SEE, SO I HAVE TRACK CHANGES AND I HAVE COMMENT AND SO, OKAY, SO I I JUST LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE THE COMMENT BUBBLES, IT'S JUST SHOWING UP AS YELLOW IN MIND WITHOUT THE COMMENTS.
SO LET'S LET TALK ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
CAITLYN HAD POINTED OUT STUFF THAT SHE THOUGHT WAS WRONG IN THE DEIS THAT WOULD BE CORRECTED IN THE FBIS.
IF IT IS A OPINION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CORRECT IT IN THE DEIS.
THEY'RE, YOU'RE, THAT WILL BE YOUR COMMENT THEN THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS IN THE FBIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE OPINION THAT, UH, YOU AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE DISAGREED WITH SOME STATEMENTS THEY'VE MADE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THOSE STATEMENTS.
YOU MAY HAVE A QUESTION, A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
WHAT WILL BE CHANGED? THE ONLY CHANGES IN THE, IN THE DEIS ARE OB OBVIOUSLY MISTAKES.
THINGS THAT ARE MISTAKES THAT YOU WANNA CLEAR THE RECORD UP SO YOU HAVE A CLEAR RECORD IN THE DEIS AND THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
THAT WILL BE THE, THE SECTION OF IT THAT SAYS THIS IS THE CHANGES MADE TO THE DEIS.
THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T DO, IT'S, IT'S A WRONG STATEMENT OR WHATEVER, BUT OPINION, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THEIR OPINION.
THEIR OPINION THEY MADE A LOT OF OPINION WAS THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPACT.
THEY STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AN IMPACT.
BUT WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE PROOF TO THAT.
WHY IT'S NOT AN IMPACT OR THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL THING WE NEED ON THAT.
UH, IS IS WHEN WE DO THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THEIR DOCUMENT UNLESS IT'S A MISTAKE.
BUT WE ARE CREATING SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
KATE AND I TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS IN MY
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DOCUMENT AS BEST I COULD.A LOT OF THEM WERE, WE'RE BUILD UPON THE QUESTIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS MADE.
SO I THINK THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THERE'S, I WANNA SAY THERE'S SEVEN TO EIGHT MAJOR AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING COMMENTED ON.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE INTO THE, INTO THE RECORD HERE.
SO THAT, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE.
WE'LL TRY TO AGAIN, SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH ANYTHING.
I'M TRYING THOSE SEVEN OR EIGHT LARGE ISSUES.
I THINK IF WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE TONIGHT AND SAY, HEY, WE AGREE THOSE ARE LARGE ISSUES.
AND THEN THE HARD PART IS HOW CAN THEY BE ANSWERED IN THE FBIS.
DO YOU NEED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT? IS THERE JUST MORE INFORMATION YOU NEED? FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, I FORGET THE ONE ISSUE WAS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THEY WILL BE DOING, UH, UH, TESTING AND BORINGS AT A LATER DATE.
DO YOU REALLY NEED THAT INFORMATION NOW? THAT WOULD BE A, A COMMENT THAT WOULD BE MADE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MARGOT WHO'S ON ON THE VIDEO.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE A COPY OF THAT DOCUMENT.
I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA HAND IT OUT.
I DIDN'T WANNA, I COULDN'T EMAIL IT TODAY.
UM, SO I GUESS, UH, PROCEDURALLY BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF COMMENTS, I GUESS I WOULD STATE THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF RETAINING A ANOTHER ENTITY.
WHETHER THAT'S WENDELL, I THINK DREW ON THIS BEFORE THAT WE HAVE A CONSULTANT OF OUR OWN HERE.
THE FBI, INTERESTING THING IS I CANNOT HELP YOU WITH THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WHO I USUALLY USE FOR TRAFFIC IS GTS.
WELL, BUT SHE SAYS
BUT SHE JUST, SHE PREPARE THE FBI.
I ASKED IF WE NEEDED SOMEBODY ELSE TO PROVIDE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
PERHAPS WE CAN RETAIN SRF OR SOMEONE.
YOU GUYS DID NOT USE SRF CORRECT.
NOT ON THIS PROJECT FOR THAT
UM, BUT I, I MEAN I'M IN FAVOR OF OBVIOUSLY LET THEM HAVE A CHANCE TO CORRECT OR PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON THE SUBSTATIVE.
BUT I WOULD BE A PROPONENT, I GUESS I WOULD CANDIDLY SAY THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THE CONSULTING TEAM FOR BROADWAY GROUP ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED AND TRIED TO REPRESENT THEIR CLIENT'S BEST INTEREST.
BUT I DON'T THINK SOME OF IT IS IN LINE WITH THE COMMENTS.
SO WE, OKAY, WELL WHY DON'T WE WALK THROUGH THIS QUICKLY, KATE, AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT ISSUE OF TRAFFIC, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON THAT, QUITE FRANKLY IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER REALLY STOOD OUT AS NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET TO THAT ONE.
LET'S, LET'S START AT THE BEGINNING.
THE BE FIRST SECTION 2.1 ON PAGE TWO OF THIS DOCUMENT THAT I HANDED OUT, WHICH TALKED ABOUT ZONING AND, AND SETTING THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FOR, AND I THINK SOME OF 'EM WERE YOURS, CAITLIN, IS THAT, UM, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S PROPERLY SHOWN.
THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE IN NUMBERS AND WHATEVER ABOUT THE TRUE SETBACKS BETWEEN THE AC UNIT AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THE ADJOINING RESIDENCE, UM, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, BUT ZONE COMMERCIAL.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT FROM THAT ISSUE IS THAT IT REALLY SHOULD BE TREATED AS A, A RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
I MEAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ZONING QUESTION.
SO, AND I HAD POSED THIS AND SARAH PARTIALLY RESPONDED.
SO THE C TWO ZONING, THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS WRITTEN SUCH THAT THERE IS A FIVE FOOT SETBACK SIDE AND REAR YARD.
UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THAT'S CAPITALIZED TO WHICH I PRESUME, UH, THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT LEGALLY THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE ONLY APPLICABLE IF IT IS A, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT IS CLEARLY THE LAND USE FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL AND OBVIOUSLY A LANDOWNER WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THE RIGHTS TO REQUEST TO RESUME THAT.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO BE ATTRACTED TO SELL A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO ANOTHER ENTITY.
WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT INTERPRETATION IN THE PAST AND IT'S INTERPRETATION IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THIS SAME REQUIREMENT.
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL SETBACKS AND COMMERCIAL SETBACKS.
AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE TOWN HAS INTERPRETED THAT AS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN, WHEN WE'VE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS AND WHATEVER THAT REALLY, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE, A GREATER SETBACK BETWEEN THAT USE? AND THEY, I, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU WANNA SEE MORE ISSUES RELATED TO THAT AND THAT ISSUE, THAT ISSUE RELATES TO NOISE AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED.
COULD WE RELOCATE THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE UH, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL MEAN? SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEIS THAT'S POSTED ON THE TON OF HAMBURG WEBSITE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING ONE IS 15 POINT SOMETHING AND ONE IS 18 POINT SOMETHING BACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS DEPENDING ON THE INTERPRETATION OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THEN WE DO NOT CURRENTLY MEET THE SETBACKS THAT IT IS NOT SHOWING THAT THE BUILDING IS 20 FEET BACK.
AND THAT'S BASED AND I SENT THE A SCREENSHOT TO YOU AND SARAH YESTERDAY IF YOU WELL NO,
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IF IT'S, IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, IT'S FIVE FOOT SETBACK.BUT IF THE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE, SO IF THE RIGHT, IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A USE AND A DISTRICT.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S BEEN AN INTERPRETATION IN THE PAST, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS AND THAT'S HISTORICAL.
WHEN WE HAVE THIS ISSUE OF A RESIDENTIAL USE ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE IN ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY IS THAT WE'D LIKE TO TREAT IT AS A RESIDENTIAL.
THE RESIDENTIAL USE IS THE SAME AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
CAN YOU TRY TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OR RELOCATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THING THAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM OR OFFER OTHER MITIGATIONS.
I MEAN THE LANDOWNER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY THOUGH THAT IF THE LANDOWNER WERE TO RESUME RES REQUEST AND RECEIVE A REZONING ON HER PROJECT AND THIS PROJECT WERE NOT AUTHORIZED, THEY THEN BECOME SUBJECT TO THOSE SETBACKS.
IF THIS PROJECT WENT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT.
JENNIFER, DID YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? NO, I AGREE WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT LET'S, LET'S BE BE CLEAR.
THIS PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY IN FRONT OF US WOULD THEN HAVE TO MEET THE NEW SETBACKS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR WOULD THIS PROJECT BE? I THINK THERE'S A KIND OF GRANDFATHER, THERE'S PRECEDENT IN THE STATE.
I THINK ARTICLE 10 IS A PRIME EXAMPLE UNDER THE STATE ENERGY LAW THAT IF LAWS ARE PASSED IN REVIEW, I MEAN THERE'S PRECEDENT UNDER THE RE THE REVIEW OF OTHER REGULATIONS.
SO PLEASE DON'T PREPARE FOR TWO.
WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THERE ARE OTHER PERMITTING PROCESSES IN THE STATE.
USUALLY IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE ZONING WHILE AN APPLICANT, AN APPLICATION IS PENDING, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE NEW REZONING.
IT STAYS AS IF WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME OF AN INITIAL FOR, FOR THE, FOR HER, FOR THE THEIR PROPERTY BOARD.
WHAT IF IT'S AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? BUT IF THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT IS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE WERE REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SETBACKS FOR THIS PROJECT THAT CAN LEGAL ISSUE? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REZONED.
IT WON'T BE REZONED FOR THE NEXT THREE TO THREE MONTHS OR SO.
WE'LL TAKE AT LEAST THREE TO SIX MONTHS TO REZONE PROPERTY.
MEANWHILE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT IS THE TOWN ATTORNEY, LET'S TREAT, LET'S TREAT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
IT'S A, IT'S A LEGITIMATE REQUEST.
WE HAD MADE IT IN THE PAST THAT ALTHOUGH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY UNBEKNOWNST TO THE OWNERS IS ZONE COMMERCIAL, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE.
NO ONE CAN ARGUE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF HAVING A BUILDING AND OTHER STRUCTURES THAT CLOSE TO CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL USE? FORGET THE DISTRICT, FORGET THE ZONING.
JUST WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS? IT CREATES IMPACT UNDER NOISE.
THEIR ARGUMENT WAS THAT, THAT FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THE HOME WAS SO FAR AWAY, THE RECEPTOR THAT IT DID NOT CREATE A PROBLEM BY HAVING THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER MITIGATIONS.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER MITIGATIONS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HEAVY RETAIL USE BEING PUT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERIOD.
THE END, FORGET THE ZONING OR WHATEVER THE IMPACTS ARE.
OKAY, SO, SO HOW EXACTLY DO WE WRITE THAT? IS IT, WE'VE GOT THE APPLICANT SAYING THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY THEY CAN DO TO MITIGATE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IN THEIR DRAFT STATEMENT.
RIGHT? AND WE ARE SAYING IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD DO? HOW, HOW EXACTLY SHOULD THAT BE ARTICULATED IN THESE ENVIRONMENTAL
WE BELIEVE WE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE STRUCTURE AND THE AC UNIT AS IS, IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL MITIGATION TO MITIGATE THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL USE.
WHETHER IT'S NOISE, I MEAN WE JUDGE NOISE AT A PROPERTY LINE, NOT ONLY A RECEPTOR.
IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR GOES OUT TO DO A NOISE COMPLAINT, IT'S AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THAT'S HOW THE LAW IS WRITTEN.
SO THERE IS GONNA BE A NOISE PROBLEM AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE, IS THERE MOVING OF THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT? IS THERE, SO IS THERE ENCLOSURE OF THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, DIFFERENT TYPE OF AIR CONDITIONING UNIT TO REDUCE THAT, THAT POTENTIAL NOISE? SO HOW WE WRITE IT IS WE THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE'S TWO, TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE DISTANCE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH PERHAPS ADDITIONAL SCREENING FENCE SOMETHING.
THE SECOND IS THE HVAC UNIT AND WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE OF MOVING THE AC UNITS ON TOP OF A, ON TOP OF THE BUILDING THAT HAPPENED.
SO HAVE HVAC ON TOP IF THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THAT'S, THIS DOESN'T HAVE A FLAT ROOF.
REMEMBER WE, WE, WE KINDA LIKE A BARN.
THERE'S SOME THAT GO IN THE ROOF ATTIC
AND AGAIN, ONLY BECAUSE WE'LL GO THROUGH, WE CAN, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING FINAL DECISIONS HERE TONIGHT, RIGHT? WE'RE BASICALLY STARTING SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS KNOW.
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CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UNDER A ZONING STANDPOINT THAT THE BUILDING IS CLOSE TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE.IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL ZONED, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL USE, WE WOULD HAVE THE GREATER SETBACK.
WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE UNITS THERE AND OTHER NOISE MAKING.
I THINK YOU WOULD WANNA PHRASE IT THAT YOU WANT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION TO PROTECT, PROTECT THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL USE TO USE RIGHT.
WANNA PROTECT AND WE'LL GET IN WHEN WE GET INTO OTHER IMPACTS.
THAT A GOOD WAY TO PUT AND JOSH IS HELPING BY TAKING NOTES HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT, RIGHT? ALRIGHT.
THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, I WANNA KEEP MOVING ON IS YES IS ABOUT, UH, DRAWING ILLUSTRATED TREE REMOVAL AND AREAS BEING RESERVED I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S PROPER INFORMATION IN THE DEIS FOR YOU TO EVALUATE THAT BECAUSE THE OVERLAY AND OTHER REQUIRES THOSE THINGS TO BE DONE TO MINIMIZE TREE LOSS, ET CETERA, YOU WANT TO BETTER DEMARCATION OF WHAT'S EXISTING THERE FROM TREES WHERE IT'S BEING RE AND WHERE IT'S BEING REMOVED AND WHAT'S BEING PRESERVED.
AND THAT GOES TO NUMBER THREE ABOUT, AND I'LL GET HELP THE WORDING ON THAT OVERLAY MARGO MARIO.
SO I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NOISE, THE, UM, SORRY ABOUT MY VOICE GUYS.
YEAH, THE, UH, DEIS GOES ON ABOUT THE NOISE ATTENUATION OVER A CERTAIN DISTANCE AND IT'S DECIBEL LESSENING, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL INFORMATION ON HOW LOUD THE AC UNITS ARE.
IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE WHEN WE DETERMINE WHEN WE GET HOLD HOLD THAT POINT WHEN WE GET TO THAT SECTION, I, I'LL ADD TO THAT, ADD TO THAT SECTION.
I HAVE ONE ENOUGH TRAIN MITIGATION TOO.
NO, PLEASE BRING IT UP AND I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, WHERE THAT, THAT THE NOISE ONE'S DEFINITELY GOING.
AND THEN LAST ONE, I HAVE SUCKED UP IN THE ACS, RIGHT? SO YEP.
YOU TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE READY.
OKAY, WHAT'S THAT? ARE WE ON TREAT MITIGATION NOW? I THOUGHT WE WERE, WE'RE ON TREE MITIGATION, TREE REMOVAL AND TREE MITIGATION AND WHERE AREAS ARE BEING PRESERVED.
UM, YES, I HAVE ONE ABOUT TREES TOO.
UM, WHICH IS A VERY SIMILAR COMMENT IN THERE'S, THERE'S NO NUMBERS.
SO PER THE, UM, EAS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE SET IS GETTING CLEARED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY TREES ARE COMING DOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION ON THE MITIGATION METRIC IS TO JUST TAKE DOWN THE TREES IN THE CONSTRUCTION AREA.
SO ARE THEY SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER TAKING DOWN ALL THE TREES ON THE WHOLE SITE? AND THEN LATER IN THE DEIS, WHICH I SENT IN COMMENTS AND I CITED ALL OF THESE FOR YOU, IT'S GOT ONE TREE FOR THE 30 FEET OF FRONTAGE AND THAT'S THEIR MITIGATION METRIC.
BUT LIKE HOW MANY TREES ARE THEY TAKING DOWN? HOW MANY ARE COMING BACK? AND UH, IS ANY OF THE SITE REMAINING? AND REMEMBER, GO, GO, GO BEYOND THAT IS THAT, REMEMBER WHEN IT'S A SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU, YOU ARE THE PERSONS WHO I ISSUE THE TREE CL THE TREE PERMIT.
AND REMEMBER THAT SECTION WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT, YOU KNOW, TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, TWO FOR ONE OR THREE FOR ONE.
BUT THERE IS MITIGATION REQUIRED.
SO THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY TREES ARE YOU REMOVING? WHAT TREES ARE YOU PRESERVING? THERE'S THE REQUIRED STREET TREES OF ONE TREE FOR EVERY 30 FEET.
BUT IF WE'RE REMOVING A HUNDRED TREES OF DIFFERING QUALITY OR WHATEVER, WHERE'S THE MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH YOU CAN ASK FOR UNDER THE TREE.
THE TREE PROTECTION LAW OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
YOU ARE THE, YOU ISSUE THAT PERMIT IN ISSUING THE, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
WE'LL ADD THAT TO COMMENTS AND NOT ONLY THE TREE REMOVAL, BUT HOW IT RELATES TO THE TREE PROTECTION LAW OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN LAST ONE WAS A GENERAL COMMENT ON, UH, AND AGAIN I'LL ELABORATE ON THAT ONE.
SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP IS THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, HOW ARE THEY MEETING IT RELATES TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND OTHER THINGS WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER.
BUT JUST A GENERAL OVERARCHING THAT EXPRESSING WHAT'S IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET IT UNDER THE ZONING.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT UNDER SOME SPECIFIC ONES.
ALL RIGHT, WHEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
SO THE NEXT SECTION IS NOISE AND LIGHT.
UM, SO THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVE ARE, UM, FROM THE OWNER, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORS TOO REGARDING NOISE AND LIGHT.
THE HOUSE IS 180 FEET, 108 FEET FROM THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT.
HOW IS IT ACCEPTABLE IN AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT? FIVE FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE? THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION TOO.
WE'LL BUILD UPON THAT BECAUSE THE TOWN'S NOISE ORDINANCE MEASURES THE PROPERTY LINES, NOT THE UNITS.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A NOISE STUDY, YOU DO IT TO THE NEAREST RECEPTOR AND IN THE CASE OF THE TOWN'S LAW, IT'S TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
RIGHT? UM, WILLIS REQUIRE A PRIVACY OFFENSE TO BE ON MY PROPERTY.
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A VARIANCE TO BUILD SOMETHING ON MY PROPERTY THAT CAME WITHIN FIVE FEET, THE NEIGHBOR'S LINE WERE WOULD YOU APPROVE IT IF IT WAS A SHED? YES, NO LESS SOMETHING, UH UH, NO LESS SOMETHING THAT WILL PRODUCE NOISE WHILE THE PART OF MY PROPERTY IS AN EMPTY LOT, WHICH THE REPORT MENTIONS I MAY CHOOSE TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE.THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF, OF LIGHTING HAVING TO DO WITH THE HEADLIGHTS SWEEP AND THE UH, UH, NEIGHBORS PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION SAYING THAT REALLY THE HEADLIGHT IS GOING HEADLIGHTS ARE GONNA IMPACT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
I WON'T BE ANY SPECIFIC TO THAT.
SO THE HEADLIGHTS, I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT IS GONNA NEED TO CLARIFY.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLACES IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT IT EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THE HEADLIGHT SWEEP IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT OR THE PROPERTY ACROSS STREET HAD BEEN ELIMINATED.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A LOCATION WHERE IT SAYS THAT THEY WILL HAVE IMPACTS FOR FOUR MINUTES, 12 SECONDS PER HOUR, UM, WHEN IT'S AFTER DUSK.
AND IT'S, I MEAN, IT IS NOT ELIMINATED IF THERE'S SOME IMPACT PER HOUR AND THE IMPACT PER HOUR COULD BE EXTRAPOLATED OUT OVER THE YEAR.
BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE RECONCILED IN MY MIND BECAUSE YEAH, I READ IT AS BEING, BUT THEY NEED TO EXPLAIN IT.
BUT I READ IT AS MEANING THAT ON AN AVERAGE, A CAR OR TRUCK WILL LEAVE THE SITE FOR SO FOUR OR SO AN HOUR.
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S, WELL IT WAS ACTUALLY, IT SAID FOUR MINUTES, 12 SECONDS PER HOUR.
AND THEN HOW DO YOU EXTRAPOLATE THAT UP SO THAT I I DON'T MIND TO CLARIFY THAT.
IT MAY JUST KIND OF HELP CUT THROUGH.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY DESIGN AND WE ADMIT THAT THAT DRIVEWAY DESIGN WOULD HAVE SOME HEADLIGHTS SWEEP.
WE DID AN ANALYSIS BASED OFF OF THAT AND WE TRIED TO CALCULATE HOW MANY SECONDS PER HOUR WOULD THAT HAPPEN BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF CARS LEAVING THE DRIVEWAY.
WE FELT LIKE IT WAS MINIMAL, BUT THE TOWN OBVIOUSLY DID NOT AGREE WITH US.
AND SO DURING THE CEIS PROCESS, WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND PROVIDED MULTIPLE OTHER DRIVEWAY OPTIONS AND WE LANDED ON ONE THAT COMPLETELY ELIMINATED THAT HEADLIGHT SWEEP BY DIVIDING THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT IS WHY YOU MIGHT MAY HAVE READ IT AS BEING CONTRADICTORY MM-HMM
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW THE ITERATION OF WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD PRESENTED AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CAME UP WITH THROUGH THE DEIS PROCESS.
I SO THAT THROUGH THAT LENS IT MAY HELP THE REPORT MAKE MORE SENSE AND IF IT'S NOT CLEAR, WE'LL CLEAR THAT UP.
I THINK THAT IF THERE IS, THERE IS PERHAPS A SECTION WHERE THAT WAS NOT REVISED AS IT WAS IN OTHERS.
ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGES 10 AND 11 OF THE DOCUMENT, IF YOU WANNA NOTE IT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PARAGRAPHS.
UH, OR NO, THERE IS ONE PARAGRAPH, IT'S ON THIS PAGE.
UM, THE VERY BOTTOM, IT EXPANDS THE PAGE OF PAGE 18 AND 55, SORRY, 18 AND 55.
SO WE WANT TO CLARIFY THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, ARE WE REALLY, THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTS SHINING IN THEIR WINDOW.
YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR NEW DESIGN SHOWS NO LIGHTS.
SO WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AND PROVE THAT THERE ARE NO LIGHTS SHINING AND NOT EVEN FOR FOUR MINUTES, AN HOUR OR ANYTHING THAT THERE'S NO LIGHTS SHINING INTO THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS RELATED AGAIN TO THE AC EQUIPMENT AND THE NOISE BEING GENERATED.
UM, I ADDED THE COMMENT ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL TO PROPERTY LINE 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, MORE COMMENTS ON THE LIGHTING FROM THE CARS EXITING.
AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT CONSTRUCTION RELATED NOISE IMPACTS AND THE LENGTH OF TIME, AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENCES IN THE AREA.
UM, DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT OR NOT, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT THERE IS QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION RELATED NOISE AND I THINK THEY WERE OFFERING OUT, I THINK THE DEIS ON ABOUT NORMAL HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING.
SO I THINK WE WANTED A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON THAT AND OTHER MITIGATIONS FOR CONSTRUCTING IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES WE GOT ON NOISE AND LIGHT.
AND AGAIN WE CAN CLARIFY THOSE MORE.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE THE ONES BROUGHT UP.
THE NEXT SECTION IS WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT AND ASSOCIATED SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS.
THE ONLY COMMENTS I'VE GOTTEN SO FAR, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THE COMMENTS I GOT SO FAR WERE THE ISSUE OF THAT YOU HAVE NOT DONE RESEARCH IN THE UNDERGROUND TANKS ON SITE.
YOU'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY WORK, BUT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME SORT OF, UH, STUDIES IN THE FUTURE AND TESTING IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S BEEN NO CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE AND THE TANKS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.
IS THAT WHAT WAS SAID IN THE DEIS? I BELIEVE IT.
I BELIEVE IN THE DEIS THE SITUATION IS THAT THERE WAS UH, SOME SORT OF SERVICE STATION ON THIS LOT PREVIOUSLY AT SOME TIME IN THE PAST.
AND UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT DID A FULL ASSESSMENT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, RIGHT.
UM, WE COULD NOT DEFINITIVELY RULE OUT THAT THE TANKS
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HAD BEEN REMOVED, RIGHT.AND SO WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO IS CALLED A GROUND PENETRATING RADAR.
AND WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH TREES ON THE LOT.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR THE TREES AND HAVE A RELATIVELY FLAT GRADE OF SOIL TO DO THE GPR.
AND WE WOULD DO THAT AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW, WE WOULD KNOW IS THERE SOMETHING PINGING HERE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY SOMETHING BURIED UNDER THE GROUND AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, DO THE PROPER, SO IT'S SO OLD THAT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE DC RECORDS AND I KNOW THE DC RECORDS ARE OFFERED WHEN YOU GO SO FAR BACK THAT THE TANK WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED AND THERE WAS TESTING DONE AND THERE'S NO UNDERGROUND CONTAMINATION.
THERE'S, I DID PHASE ONE FOR 20 YEARS.
SO WE WANNA FIND OUT IF THERE'S A TANK.
WE'VE GOT A LOT 'EM CHOPPED DOWN ON THE TREES.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WELL THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT.
SO THERE ARE TWO TESTS, THERE'S TWO PLACES IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE RADAR.
THE FIRST IS JUST THE RADAR AND SHE'S ANSWERED THAT.
BUT THE SECOND THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS THEY NOTED, AND THIS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REFERENCED IN THE EARLIER INSTANCE AS WELL, BUT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOIL GUIDANCE VALUES AND GROUNDWATER STANDARDS AND THAT SOILS GENERATED FROM EXCAVATIONS MUST BE TESTED AND ANALYZED AND THAT THERE'S AN ELAP APPROVED ELAP LAB.
AND THEN THAT IT WOULD BE, AND THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE INDEPENDENT SEEDS, IT WOULD REQUIRE REMEDIATION THAT OBVIOUSLY SOME LEVEL OF CORNING AND SAMPLING COULD BE DONE WITHOUT CLEARING ALL THE TREES ON SITE.
IF, IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF CONTAMINATION OR CONCERN, WE WOULD PERHAPS WANT OTHER MITIGATIVE MEASURES FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE COULD, YOU COULD THE, THE, THE STREAM END IS SAY, LOOK, WE WANT THAT INFORMATION NOW OR YOU CAN INCLUDE IT AS A MITIGATION OR CONDITION BASICALLY SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THIS BEFORE YOU GET, GET A BUILDING PERMIT OR WHATEVER YOUR RISK IS.
IF SOMETHING IS FOUND, YOUR APPROVALS ARE NULL AND VOID, YOU'RE BACK TO SEE US.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IF THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY DON'T DO THIS UNTIL CONSTRUCTION STARTS, SO THEY'LL CLEAR THE SITE, THEY GET THE OTHER TEST DONE, THEY GO OUT THERE, SAY THE SITE GETS CLEARED AND THEY DO THE SOIL TESTING.
WORST CASE SCENARIO, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THEY FIND SOMETHING AND IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT.
THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED, THE CHARACTER HAS BEEN IRRITABLY CHANGED, BUT THAT THERE IS NOT A PROJECT THERE.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS STILL VIABLE AND THEY CAN DO ALL THIS STUFF WITH THIS, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO PROCEED AND THE SITE'S BEEN CLEARED, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT TO RESTORE VEGETATION TO THIS.
UNDERSTAND HOW DO WE BALANCE OUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT WITH THE RISK, UM, ON THAT FRONT.
AND LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THE DEC HAS GIVEN US A NO FURTHER ACTION LETTER.
THEY HAVE SAID THERE'S NOTHING HERE TO INVESTIGATE.
WE ARE JUST SAYING OUT ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION BECAUSE IT'S A STANDARD BOILERPLATE FROM DEC.
IF YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU START DIGGING DOWN AND YOU HAVE PETROLEUM SHEEN, WHICH WE DON'T EXPECT TO FIND, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO IT'S BEEN THERE BASICALLY TO REASSURE THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING.
IF WE ENCOUNTER CONTAMINATION THERE, WE DON'T EXPECT TO BASED ON A FULL PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO INVESTIGATION THAT TOOK SOIL SAMPLES AND THE FULL REPORT WAS GIVEN TO DEC AND DEC SAID THERE'S NOTHING HERE GUYS.
SO WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING.
AND, AND IF IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, IF DEC WERE INVOLVED, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE IN, THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE, UNDER THE DEC REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN WE WOULD BE IN THAT PROGRAM TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS DO THE REMEDIATION.
I MEAN THIS IS, I THINK, UM, I SEE THERE'S THE LEAD AGENCY LETTER FROM DECI DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS, I MEAN HAVE WE CLEARLY STATED IT? I MEAN I THINK THERE IS ONE PLACE IN HERE WHERE IT SAYS THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER NEEDED, BUT IT RAISES CONCERNS THAT ONE HAND WE'RE SAYING THERE'S NOTHING NEEDED AND THEN THE OTHER THAT WE ARE GONNA DO THIS TESTING AND WE MAY HAVE TO REMEDIATE.
I I JUST WANNA RECTIFY THAT DISCONNECT BECAUSE TO ME I BRING LONG AND IT TOOK ME TWO NIGHTS AND A LOT OF GOING THROUGH THIS REMEDIATION, NOT SOMETHING I KNOW A TON TON ABOUT LIKE, BUT I GOT THROUGH AND I SAID, WELL WHY ARE WE DOING THIS TESTING? IT'S NOT MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
IT IS NOT INDICATED AS SOME SORT OF SITUATION.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S THIS FLAG AT THE END WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING ADDITIONAL TESTING, IT'S JUST PRECAUTIONARY.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY RAISED BY OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, I BELIEVE MS. JABLONSKI HAD A CONCERN, UM, ABOUT THOSE TANKS.
AND SO WE WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS, UH, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS HER CONCERN.
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NEIGHBOR.IT WAS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT SHE HAD AND WE SAID THIS IS A WAY WE CAN MITIGATE THAT CONCERN.
WE'LL DO A GPR TEST AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING DOWN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED EVEN THOUGH DEC IS TELLING US THERE ISN'T.
OKAY, SO THINK I, THE MINIMUM WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE IS THAT JUST AS YOU EXPLAINED, MAYBE PUT MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED OFF FROM DEC, OTHER THINGS THAT YES, THIS WAS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE IT.
AM I MAKING A DECISION RIGHT NOW? I THINK AT A MINIMUM THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE MESSAGE THAT IS RECEIVED IN THE DOCUMENT AS IT STANDS NOW.
IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS TESTING IF THERE'S REMEDIATION, WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS IN THE PROCESS.
AND THAT TOOK ME ABACK 'CAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD.
IT KIND OF RAISED THE FLAG AND IT'S NOT WELL ARTICULATED I GUESS IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING FINAL, I JUST WANNA GET THESE ALL OUT THERE.
YOU GUYS CAN MARK UP AND CONTINUE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE OTHER AGENCY.
SO THE NEXT SECTION, AND I APOLOGIZE, I GET ESCAPED, CAME A COPY OF THIS.
THE NEXT SECTION IS ON STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.
UM, CAME, I'LL JUST HAVE YOU, I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT NOW, BUT HAVE YOU REVIEW THE COMMENTS AND SEE IF HOW THEY COULD BE ADDRESSED FURTHER OR WHETHER YOU THINK THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FURTHER.
THERE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WATER RUNNING ONTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS OUT THERE.
UH, THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT EXISTING WATER PROBLEMS AND, AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE.
SO IS THAT OKAY IF I SAY, UH, CAMMI SHOULD REVIEW THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE DIS AND GIVE YOU COMMENTS IN MY INTERPRETATION OF, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT THERE'S, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DEALS WITH WATER THAT'S GONNA COME ONTO THE PROPERTY, THE RAINWATER AND STORM WATER, BUT DOESN'T ADDRESS GROUNDWATER THAT MIGHT ALREADY BE THERE AND HOW THOSE GO TOGETHER.
AND I THINK CAMBI COULD ADDRESS IF THAT'S AN ISSUE OR NOT.
THERE'S HIGH GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS THERE.
WHEN THEY WENT TO DRILL HOLES, THEY FILLED UP IMMEDIATELY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S MY QUESTION ABOUT, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN A SAND FILTER SOME SORT OF SYSTEM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE PUTTING A STANDARD SEPTIC OUT THERE.
IT'S A MILD, OH, YOU WENT TO THE SEWER NOW.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, OF COURSE, WE'LL DEFER TO WHAT CANDY SAYS WE WANT.
BUT YEAH, OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED KNOWING WE HAD THOSE GEOTECH.
AND I'LL LET, I'LL LET CAMMY REVIEW IT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
I'LL LET HER, BUT I THINK THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RUNOFF.
I THINK SO THE UNDER QUESTION I HAD IN PERHAPS CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IS THE EIS SAYS THAT THE STORMWATER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DIRECT, THE OUTFLOW FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE IS GOING TO COME OUT AT THE LOWEST POINT, LOWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE THAT TO THE SOUTH IS THE WANSKI PARCEL.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AS TO WHERE THAT WAS COMING OUT.
AND THEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO CONNECT FROM THE INTERNAL AREA TO THE EXISTING MUNICIPAL STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
AND IT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME HOW THOSE CONNECTED.
AND IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY ANSWER THE SURFACE FLOW QUESTION THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC, I WOULD BETTER WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THE, OUT, WHERE THE OUTFLOW IS ROUTED FROM THAT SOUTHWEST SQUARE, HOW IT GETS FROM THERE TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
I HAD A WA SURFACE WATER QUESTION TOO, WHICH MIGHT ALSO END UP WITH CAMMY.
BUT, UM, AND THIS MIGHT ALREADY BE SOLVED TOWARD, BUT AS I WAS READING THROUGH IT, UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CAB SUGGESTION THAT A BURN BE BUILT AND THEN THE SEPTIC BEING A MOUND BECAUSE OF THE HIGH WATER TABLE.
UM, I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION THAT THE, THE LIKE VARIANCES IN TOPOGRAPHY ON WHAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, FLAT SITE IS NOT GONNA CAUSE ANY KIND OF LIKE POOLING OR RUNOFF THAT IS UNINTENDED.
RIGHT? SO YOUR CONCERNS ADDITIONAL IS HOW THE GRADING OF THE PROPERTY WORKS WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN AND HOW WE'RE NOT IMPACTING ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MOUND SYSTEM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE A LARGE MOUND SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE'VE GIVEN CAMMY SOME ASSIGNMENTS, SHE CAN WORK ON THAT IN HELPING US SEE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED AND HOW THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CAN BE BE ADDRESSED.
NEXT ONE, IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER ALWAYS A, A DIFFICULT ISSUE? UH, YOU HAVE,
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YOU SEE THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM, FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS? UM, I'M ALWAYS THE BAD GUY.YOU CAN, YOU CAN BOO ME, BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, SO, UH, IT IS, I MEAN THEY BROUGHT UP ABOUT, WE'VE BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
IT'S IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS WORKED ON TO TRY TO DO A DIFFERENT STYLE STRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHATEVER.
BY THE WAY, I LIKE THE, THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE BUFFALO NEWS FOR THE CLARENCE STORE,
WOULDN'T THAT, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A VERY DETAILED GUIDELINES, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, SO THERE'S THE ISSUE OF, OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DOLLAR GENERAL STORES, AGAIN, DIFFICULT TO DEAL IN AN EIS COMPETITION, SO RELATED TO THAT YEP.
NOT IGNORING OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS, BUT THE, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT RURAL CHARACTER AND HOW THIS WAS LIKE A, IT COULD, IT SORT OF IMPLIED THAT RURAL AREAS WERE UNDERSERVED.
THERE WEREN'T, IT WASN'T AC READY ACCESS TO OTHER STORES.
THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE THAT I DID NOT THINK WAS APPROPRIATE NECESSARILY FOR THE SITE.
AND I, I HAD PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS BACK, BUT IT'S, I DID SOME MAPPING IN TERMS OF DRIVE DISTANCES, NOT EVEN AS THE CROW FLIES AND FOUND SEVEN 11 ANOTHER DOLLAR GENERAL AND A WALMART ALL WITHIN FIVE MILES DRIVING DISTANCE, NOT AS THE CROW FLIES.
SO THEY'D BE LINEARLY CLOSER OF THE PROJECT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE TO USE THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S RURAL AND THERE'S NO ACCESS TO SERVICES FOR THIS LOCATION.
AND THAT HAD COME UP QUITE A FEW TIMES.
SO THAT BRINGS UP A A GOOD POINT HERE.
I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
THAT IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE FEEL ISN'T ACCURATE, RIGHT? I THINK OKAY.
IT'S MORE ABOUT ITS APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS SECTION.
IS IT APPROPRIATE COMMENT YOU CAN MAKE THAT COMMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA CHANGE.
IT'S STILL THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
WE CAN MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE.
IT DOESN'T AND WHATEVER, WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE FEIS AS YOUR, AS YOUR COMMENT.
I WOULDN'T GO BACK AND, AND CHANGE THE DEIS THAT IS THEIR FEELING.
UM, SO WE'LL JUST MAKE OUR COMMENTS IN HERE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
WE BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT HAS NO REFERENCE HERE AND ABOUT THAT.
WE WILL HAVE TO ADJUST, DO THAT IN THE FEIS BASICALLY SAY IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT THAT'S, THOSE AREN'T RELEVANT STATION STATEMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND YOUR REASONING WHY IT'S NOT.
SO IF, SO IF WE DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DRAFT EIS WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE F FBI IS BUT NOT CHANGE.
WE HAVE TO SAY THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THIS OPINION.
CORRECT? WELL WE CAN, I MEAN, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DON'T, AND THE F FBI IS IS NOT, WE DISAGREE WITH THIS OPINION.
WE JUST, WE RE WE CAN REWRITE WHATEVER WE WANT TO MATCH WHATEVER OUR FINDINGS ARE WITH OUR APPROPRIATE BACKUP IN THE FDIS.
BUT UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE POINT IS THEIR DEIS GETS ATTACHED TO OR REFERENCE YES.
WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THAT DEIS, BUT IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES TO THAT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA DISAGREE IN THAT SECTION OF OUR FEIS WITH THOSE OPINIONS OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU BELIEVE AND STATE YOUR REASONS WHY YOU DISAGREE WITH THOSE OPINIONS.
I MEAN MY, MY AN OVERARCHING GLOBAL CONCERN ALONG THE LINE IS THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF INSTANCES WHERE I THOUGHT THINGS WERE OF OPINION BASED AND NOT SUBSTANTIATED WITH REFERENCES OR OTHER INFORMATION.
AND FINDING A WAY TO APPROPRIATELY WHEN WE ISSUE OUR FBIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, ARE REPRESENTING THE TOWN AND AND ADDRESSING THINGS THAT MAY NOT HAVE BACKUP OR MAYBE SUBJECTIVE THAT WE WOULD NOT WANNA RENDER AN OPINION ON IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD RIGHT.
WE'LL MAKE THOSE AS OUR COMMENTS IN THE FEIS I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA AMEND THE DEIS AND ASK THEM TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN PHYSICALLY CHANGE THE DEIS IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE A WRONG STATEMENT OR DIDN'T DO SOMETHING, YOU CAN PHYSICALLY CHANGE.
THEY MADE AN OPINION STATEMENT IN THERE.
THAT THAT, THAT YOU BELIEVE THE OPINION IS NOT BACKED UP BY ENOUGH INFORMATION AND YOU BELIEVE YOUR INFORMATION REVEALS THAT THAT OPINION IS NOT RIGHT.
SO WE, WE ARE ABLE TO FINISH THE DRAFT EIS PRO PART OF THE PROCESS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT PART.
IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE WE NEED TO MAKE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING, SO I JUST GOT CONFUSED.
SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO AND I'M, I'M JUST GONNA STICK AHEAD IN THIS SECTION DESCRIBING A HOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT IN THE FEIS? AGAIN, WE'RE DIRECTING THE APPLICANT.
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IS THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE NEED ON C THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD WAS I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS THE OVERLAY DISTRICT A LITTLE BETTER IN A CLEAR STATEMENT OF HOW YOU ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OVERLAY AND THE DIRECTION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS RURAL CHARACTER, ET CETERA.KNOWING THAT IS, THEY CAN ARGUE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE AREA, BUT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS KIND OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW DOES IT FIT IN AND HOW CAN, IF IT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT BE BEST BE MITIGATED.
WELL, AND I THINK THE THING WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS THERE'S LIKE A SEVEN POINT, THERE'S SOME NUMBER POINT LIST AND PERHAPS A TABLE THAT GOES THROUGH ALL OF THE POINTS.
MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE OR THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE A FIRST EFFORT AT IS THE SPECIFIC.
SO THE NEXT IS THE OTHER BIG SECTION AGAIN, EMILY, ONLY BECAUSE I WANNA GET THAT IS TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFE SAFETY.
WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC SAFETY.
UM, AGAIN, I JUST CUT AND PASTED OUT OF THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE RESIDENTS.
UM, UH, AND THEN, UH, CAITLIN HAD COMMENTS AND I, I EVEN HAD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE END OF THIS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE.
UH, THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT NEED ADDRESSING THAT THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE STUDIES, ET CETERA.
I, I WOULDN'T BE INCLINED TO JUST FOCUS ON IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL MAJOR THINGS TO GET ADDRESSED HERE.
BUT I, THIS IS ONE WHERE I SAID I THINK IT IS WORTH US HAVING OUR OWN CONSULTANT TO DO AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF WHAT WAS DONE.
SO WHAT I WOULD ASK OF YOU IS, IS THAT YOU COULD ARTICULATE WHAT THAT CONSULTANT YOU WANT THAT CONSULTANT TO DO.
ALL RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO ARTICULATE TO ME.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND SOMEONE TO DO THAT, OR JENNIFER AND I AND GET A PRICE QUOTE FROM IT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY GET A TIMING SO WE CAN GET A SCHEDULE, A LEGITIMATE SCHEDULE.
I CAN'T SAY IT'S SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
WE GOTTA PROCESS THIS THAT WE CAN GET AT LEAST LEGITIMATE INFORMATION.
THE TIMEFRAMES AND SECRET THIS POINT ARE DIRECTORY NOT MANDATORY.
BUT I ALSO, WHEN THEY'RE DIRECTORY, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SIX MONTHS TO DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD TAKE 60 DAYS OR SO.
I WANNA TRY TO WORK WITHIN THOSE TIMEFRAMES.
SO IF YOU CAN ARTICULATE TO ME AND JENNIFER, WE'LL TRY TO GET A BILL.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE WHEN WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE MEMBERS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME I WILL BUT LIKELY BE IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO I WILL SEND YOU AND JENNIFER AND DREW A NOTE WITH WHATEVER MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS.
AND YOU CAN, AND, AND THE WHOLE PLANNING BOARD CAN ADD TO IT AND WHATEVER.
AGAIN, ADD TO IT BY, UH, PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO INDIVIDUAL.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING.
REPLY TO JENNIFER OR ME THAT, HEY, I AGREE WITH THESE THINGS OR WHATEVER.
MAKE THESE STATEMENTS, GIVE YOUR COMMENTS TO ME AGAIN.
THE RULES ARE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS PROJECTS OUTSIDE, BUT YOU CAN PROVIDE INPUT TO US.
YEAH, NO, I'LL JUST
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I HAD SUGGESTED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS FALLS TO THE SAME PART OR DIFFERENT, BUT IF WE WANTED SOMEONE TO VERIFY OR INDEPENDENTLY REVIEW THE HEADLIGHT HEADLIGHTS SWEEP ANALYSIS, IS THAT THE SAME AS WOULD SOMEONE IN ONE OF THOSE TRAFFIC PLACES DO THAT? OR WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER ENTITY? BECAUSE PRO PROBABLY MOST OF THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS ARE A BROADER RANGE OF CONSULTANT.
SO WE'LL ASK THAT IF THAT, IF YOU WANT SOMEONE, I MEAN, WE COULD GET THE SAME ENTITY IF WE COULD MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARTIES INVOLVED, THAT WOULD BE A, RIGHT NOW, THE ONE, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUS STOP.
SO WE, UM, THEY SAID THAT THEY SPOKE TO, AND I FORGET THE TERM THAT WAS USED FOR THE SCHOOL BUS STOP.
LIKE WHAT WAS THE TERM THAT WAS USED FOR THE SCHOOL BUS STOP? IT'S NOT, IT WAS LIKE AN UN UN UNOFFICIAL, UNOFFICIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, DO WE WANT TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THEY'RE BUSING PEOPLE AND SAY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS? DO YOU BELIEVE THIS CAUSES A PROBLEM ABOUT IT? GET THEY'RE THE ONES THAT RUN THE BUS ROUTE.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN ASK THEM DOUBT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA RESPOND OR NOT, BUT WE'LL TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN EVEN PERHAPS STRIKING THE WORD ON DESIGNATED WOULD BE A START, I THINK IN THE RIGHT DIRECT DIRECTION.
AND WE COULD GET SOME INPUT FROM A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT MAY KNOW ISSUES ABOUT HOW THEY INCORPORATE BUS STOPS AND HOW THEY'RE IMPACT.
THIS IS A SCHOOL BUS STOP, NOT A, NOT A-N-F-T-A BUS STOP.
UM, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE ENTRANCE ON HEALTH VERSUS THE ACCESS ON SOUTHWESTERN.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE OT HAS SAID IT'S NOT THEIR POLICY.
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STILL LIKE TO PURSUE THAT.THAT WOULD'VE TO BE ON OUR END.
THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THEY'VE DONE WHATEVER THEY CAN DO AND THE DOT HAS SAID NO.
UH UH, BUT WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON OUR END.
I THINK WE LAST ASKED THE TOWN BOARD TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT ISSUE.
AGAIN, NOT DRAGGING THIS OUT ANY FURTHER, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE FINAL DEFINITIVE FOR THE FEIS FROM THE DOT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME, THEY ALLUDED THE FACT THAT IF SOMEONE HIGHER UP TOLD THEM THEY WOULD DO IT, THAT THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THE ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN.
IT'S A POLICY, IT'S NOT A LAW.
UM, SO THOSE ARE, I DON'T WANT TO GLOSS OVER.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS ON TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, ET CETERA.
SO PLEASE TAKE WHAT I DID AND ADD TO IT.
AND THEN IN THE FORMAT OF WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO BE DONE IN THE FEIS, HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? THERE WAS AN INCOMPLETE DATE ON PAGE 11 OF 55.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THOSE ARE, AND AGAIN, THE SEEKER IN MY HANDOUT, I TOLD YOU THE SEEKER HANDBOOK TALKS ABOUT THAT IF YOU HAVE TYPOGRAPHICAL THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL 'EM SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
YOU CAN JUST SAY THIS, THIS WAS CORRECTED.
YOU HAVE A PAGE OR TWO OF CORRECTIONS IN THE, IN THE DEIS THAT WERE SIMPLE TYPOS OR WHATEVER, BUT NOT SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE JUST TYPOS.
UM, SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT UNDER, I SKIPPED OVER OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THERE WAS A LOT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.
THERE WAS A ONE COMMENT ON ENERGY USAGE.
UM, THEY WERE ASKING, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE THE DEIS ARE YOU USING, IS THIS A FACILITY RUN ON GAS OR IS IT ELECTRIC? IS IT WHATEVER? I THINK THAT WAS JUST THE ISSUE OF WHAT THEY'RE USING.
SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH IN THE EXISTING AND RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY TALKED ALL ABOUT THE CLIMATE CHANGE.
UH, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OPEN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRIC OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT, WE SHOULD CLARIFY IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRIC OR, UH, RIGHT.
SO, AND THEN ON THE LAST PAGE, I'M GONNA GO BACK, THERE WAS A GENERAL COMMENT, BUT ON ALTERNATIVES, WE RECEIVED COM COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE DIFFERENT OB.
THEY, THEY HAVE STATED THEY'VE DONE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE STORE.
AND DID ANY OF THE OPTIONS EVALUATE THE MAILBOX LOCATION? AND I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY SAID THEY EVALUATED THE, UH, THE IMPACTS FROM THE TR FROM THE, UH, HEADLIGHTS.
UH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
AND THEN THERE WAS JUST A POINT ABOUT THAT, UH, THE NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE STATE, THE BRO SITE WOULD REMAIN UNDEVELOPED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT IN THE SEEKER LAW, THE NO ACTION IT IS CALLED THE NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE IS THIS, IT IS A POINT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IS TO RELATE TO THE AMOUNT OF IMPACTS CAUSED BY THE PROJECT.
THERE'S NO ACTION, THERE'S NO BUILDING ON THE SITE.
THERE WILL NOT BE THESE IMPACTS AND WHATEVER.
IT'S KIND OF A, THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD OF, WELL, THE SCOPING DOCUMENT BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE HERE SAYS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE.
AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT A NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE AND I DON'T OH, SO SO THEY RENAME IT NO BUILD AND THEN IT'S DISCUSSED AS IF IT'S NO BUILD.
I THOUGHT THE ALTERNATIVES WERE NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS A SCENARIO WHERE THE STATUS OF EXISTING LAND USE REMAINS UNCHANGED.
AND THEN THE OTHER ACT, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS DESIGN AND SCALE.
UM, DID YOU THINK, I MEAN THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE BEING VERY TIGHT AND BUTTING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
YOU KNOW, DID THEY EVALUATE THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING CORRECTLY AND WHATEVER, COULD THEY GO TO A SMALLER SCALE OR FIT IT BETTER ON THE, ON THE SITE TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS? TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE'RE GETTING BLEARY EYE HERE.
UM, BUT I KNOW THE APPLICANT OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO START PUTTING THAT FEIS TOGETHER.
THEY CAN START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
OBVIOUSLY THEY MAY HAVE STARTED ALREADY, BUT THEY ALSO NEED DIRECTION FROM US TO GET A GOOD DRAFT SO WE CAN THEN BEGIN, ADD OUR THINGS TO IT.
IS ON ALTERNATIVES, IS IT GOES THROUGH THE NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE RATHER THAN NO ACTION.
I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT'S JUST A, LIKE A MORE LIKE A GRAMMATICAL ERROR.
I HAD SOME OTHER COM, I HAD SOME OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT HOW I WOULD'VE LIKE DEFINE THEIR ACTION.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT PRECLUDING OTHER DEVELOPMENT FROM HAPPENING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PREVENT SOMETHING ELSE FROM GOING IN THERE.
IT JUST, BUT, BUT I, IN SECRET, WE DON'T USUALLY ASK THEM TO EVALUATE OTHER, OKAY.
THEY COULD BUILD A, YOU KNOW, I'M SOMETHING ELSE THERE SAYING.
BUT IT SAYS THAT BASICALLY IT DISCUSSES IT AS IF THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANYTHING ELSE THERE.
THAT THERE'S NO, WELL, IT'S NOT THAT THEY WERE RIGHT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
THERE'S NEVER THAT, THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE, BUT NO ACTION.
THERE'S NO ACTION REMAINS AS THE SITE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHAT ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPLICATIONS OF REMAINING
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AS AGREE PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT AS NO BILL.WE TYPICALLY DON'T ASK AN APPLICANT TO EVALUATE OTHER, OTHER PROJECTS ON THE SITE.
WE CAN ASK THEM FOR DESIGN CHANGES AND SIZE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO PUT A MCDONALD'S ON THE CORNER OR SOMETHING OTHER LIKE THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO SOME STUFF THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO PULL THAT TALKS ABOUT.
SO THOSE ARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MARGOT HAS SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
SHE HAS UM, UH, THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD HELP THE OTHER PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS REVIEW AND THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT TO GET US ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BECAUSE ARE YOU OKAY WITH USING THIS? I MEAN I COULD GO RIGHT INTO THE DEIS AND DO IT THAT WAY.
I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS AN EASY WAY.
THIS WAS THE SCOPE, THIS WAS THE SECTIONS AND THIS IS THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
I THINK THE WAY KAILYN DID IT AND HERS IS BETTER IS BETTER.
WELL I THINK, WELL I GUESS I HAVE TWO THINGS.
IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, THIS IS PROBABLY GOOD FOR THAT.
I THINK THIS IS MORE GETS INTO HOW I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO STRUCTURE AT THE IS.
SO I GUESS THOSE, I HAVE AN EASIER, I CAN FOLLOW THAT EASIER.
WELL, AT LEAST ON MY PHONE I DON'T, I DUNNO WHAT COMMENTS, BUT I DUNNO IF WE WANT ALL THE WAY.
WE JUST HAVE TO DOCUMENT OR PROVIDE.
IT CAN BE A SEPARATE SHEET JUST SAYING THE, OBVIOUSLY THE FEIS HAS TO INCLUDE A LIST OF THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, WHICH ARE JUST GONNA BE COPIES OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE IN THERE.
AND THEN YOUR DISCUSSION ON HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING THOSE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT DOING THE FINAL ANSWERS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT TO HELP US ANSWER THOSE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BOB THINKS OR MARGO THINKS, BUT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK FOR THEM TO ADDRESS IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO BE ABBREVIATED BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THAT ARE MY COMMENTS ON SOME OF WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IS THEIR OPINION ARE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO ADDRESS.
AND I DON'T MIND, YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS ANYWAY TO US.
YOU CAN MARK UP THE DEIS MARK UP THIS DOCUMENT.
I'LL SEND IT ELECTRONIC, HOWEVER YOU CAN GET YOUR COMMENTS.
IT COULD JUST BE A LIST OF COMMENTS.
WE JUST HAVE TO PUT IT IN A FORMAT THAT HOPEFULLY GIVING DIRECTION AND RIGHT, RIGHT.
I JUST, I GUESS WHAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THERE, WE WANT TO JUST SEND THAT TO THE APPLICANT THE WAY IT'S RIGHT.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT I THINK WOULD BE AN ACCESSIBILITY THING IS THERE'S NO ABBREVIATIONS ACRONYMS LISTED AT THE FRONT OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND SINCE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, THERE'S ALSO SOME OF THE ACRONYMS THAT AREN'T IN INTRODUCED.
AND I THINK THAT COULD FALL UNDER LIKE A CORRECTION.
THAT'S A SIMPLE CORRECTION THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY USE THE SW, SOMEONE SAYS AT THE BEGINNING, SW SOMEBODY WRITES UP WHAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THAT I WAS LIKE, I I ACTUALLY TO LOOK IT UP.
SO JUST SO SOME OF THOSE FOR CLARITY AT THE FRONT LIST AND, AND I DO APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF BREVITY TO AN EISI DON'T LIKE ENCYCLOPEDIC DOCUMENTS THAT ARE USED JUST TO CONFUSE PEOPLE BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO READ A THOUSAND PAGE DOCUMENT, GET TO THE POINT, ANSWER THE POINT AND AND MOVE ON.
HAVE STUFF IN THE APPENDIX THAT IF PEOPLE WANNA LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, I LIKE THAT.
IT'S A BASICALLY A 36 40 PAGE DOCUMENT, SHORT TO THE POINT AND GET TO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE READABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR A TECHNICAL PERSON TO REVIEW THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.
SO, UM, I'VE REACHED THAT FOR DECADES.
WELL, I MEAN IT DOES DECADES DOES FOCUS ON THE RELEVANT ISSUES.
WE DIDN'T NEED A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE GEOLOGY OF THE YEAH.
WHEN, WHEN I WORK DOWNSTATE, I'M TIRED OF READING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD THAT YOU KNOW, AND WHATEVER.
'CAUSE THEY GET ENCYCLOPEDIC IN NATURE IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
I USED TO SEE HOW THE GLACIERS CAME DOWN AND HOW THEY INFLUENCED THE AREA AND WHATEVER.
I'M LIKE, WHY AM I READING ABOUT THE GLACIERS AND WHATEVER.
UM, SO IT'S SHORTENED TO THE POINT, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES, LET'S GET 'EM ADDRESSED.
LET'S ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, GET AN ISSUE SO YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A DECISION.
'CAUSE AS THE DOCUMENT SAYS, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, HAVE THE DEIS, WE HAVE THE FEIS, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS.
THE FINDINGS ARE BASED UPON THE INFORMATION IN THE FEIS AND DEIS.
YOU CAN'T ADD O OTHER INFORMATION AFTERWARDS.
IT'S WHAT'S IN THE DEIS AND FEIS.
SO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT IN THAT FEIS BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE ON THE RECORD AND YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED UPON THOSE MATERIALS.
SO WE'RE GONNA COME BACK ON THIS IN TWO WEEKS OR? YEAH.
UH, YEAH, WE GOTTA KEEP IT, WE GOTTA KEEP IT MOVING.
I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO BE HERE.
YOU CAN TEND BY WITNESSING, BUT WE'LL BE HERE TWO WEEKS DOING THE SAME DISCUSSION.
I'LL TRY TO GET YOU ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING.
BUT OUR JOB IS, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT, YOU MAY DISCERN ED START WRITING THOSE SECTIONS, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL START FINALIZING A FORM OF WHAT ARE THE SUBSTANTIVE AND HOW WE BELIEVE THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE APPLICANT ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR THROUGH YOU HIRING A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT OR HAVING US, OR YOU GUYS, IF YOU BACK IT UP YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION.
SAID, HEY, THIS IS MY ANALYSIS.
THERE WAS A COUPLE, RIGHT? I DIDN'T DIG INTO THE TRANS TRAFFIC.
I, WE NEED SOMEBODY MORE CALL.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION IF WE CAN DO
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THAT TONIGHT.SO I, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS DOCUMENT, WHAT IT REPRESENTS, WHAT IT INCORPORATES, WHAT ARE THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS? ARE THEY, YEAH, ALMOST ALL THE COMMENTS WERE I TOOK THE MEETING MINUTES.
I TOOK THE MEETING MINUTES AND CUT PASTED FROM THE MEETING MINUTES INTO THE APPROPRIATE SECTIONS OF THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY AGENCIES OR I HAVE NOTHING TO PUT IN THERE.
AND NOW I'M TRYING TO YOU INCORPORATE THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD IN HAVE COMMENTS TOO ON VDI.
SO WE HAVE THE PUBLIX AND I GAVE A COPY TO YOU GUYS.
I MEAN I MAY HAVE ALL YOUR COMMENTS MAY NOT BE IN THE MEETING MINUTES, SO I HAVE TO READ THROUGH ALL YOUR DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL IN THERE.
I MAY MAY NOT BE VERBATIM OF WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED.
SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET FROM SARAH ANYTHING WRITTEN SUBMITTED BY THE PUBLIC.
SO ANY OTHER, THOSE ARE JUST, ALL I DID WAS CUT AND PASTE OUT OF THAT AND THEN CAITLIN GAVE ME SOME COMMENTS AND I CUT AND PASTED HER COMMENTS AND THAT QUESTION.
SO CAITLYN'S COMMENTS IN HERE NOW? YEAH.
HER BIG PICTURE COMMENTS SHE HAD LOT COMMENTS ON.
SO I, I GUESS THIS PROVIDES A GOOD START TO, OKAY, YES, YOU CAN USE THIS AS THE BASIS TO GET STARTED.
YOU, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.
SO YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE MAJOR SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND HOW YOU CAN EVEN GIVE US ON HOW THEY MAY BE ADDRESSED.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE BE ADDRESSED.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD TONIGHT THAT MAYBE AN INDEPENDENT ARREST PERSON CAN LOOK AT IT EVALUATED AND SAY, HEY, WE AGREE, DISAGREE, OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON IT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WHEN YOU GUYS PROVIDE THE REV YOUR REVISIONS BACK ANSWERING WHAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING ON THOSE SUBSTANCES, CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT AND TRACK CHANGES SO WE CAN COMPARE AND SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE THAT YOU MADE? I MEAN, I MEAN IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE CHOOSING NOT TO ADDRESS, JUST NOTE THAT BACK TO US.
BUT LIKE YOU'RE REFINING LANGUAGE, YOU'RE MAKING IT SOME EASY WAY FOR US TO COMPARE WHAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE HAVE.
SO EVEN IT, YOU TAKE YOUR NEW WORD DOCUMENT AND DO A COMPARE VERSION TO THE OLD DOCUMENT.
SO DO DO YOU MEAN THE, THE DEIS? THE DEIS TEXT? YES.
IF NOT, I GUESS JUST, YEAH, REMEMBER THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A SMALL SECTION OF THE FBIS WITH CHANGES TO THE DEIS.
THE REST IS JUST GONNA BE ANSWERS TO COMMENTS AND WHATEVER.
I DON'T SEE YOU MARKED UP A COUPLE THINGS.
I DON'T SEE BIG, I DON'T SEE BIG CHANGES TO THE DEIS AND MAYBE A COUPLE PAGES OF ERRATIC.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S THE OTHER THING I NEED.
UM, JUST LISTING OUT THE, THE CHANGES NOT DOING THE TRACK BECAUSE TYPICALLY UNLESS THERE ARE DETAILS REVISIONS TO THE DIS, WHICH WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I'M IMAGINING THE REVISIONS, THE DS BEING A PAGE OR TWO AND THEN JUST SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE INCORPORATING THE DEIS
I'D RATHER HAVE IT SHORTEN TO THE POINT AND JUST REFERENCE THE DEIS.
CAN THEY ADDEND OF ACRONYM LIST TO THAT LIST OF CHANGES WE COULD PROVIDE THAT? THAT'S NOT PROBLEM.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TRY TO GET YOU, UH, CAITLYN POINTED OUT ALL THE SPOTS WHERE SHE SAW THAT THERE WAS STUFF THAT WAS NOT DEFINED IN THE SWIFT AND I, I MEAN I ONLY, I STOPPED.
MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT'S FINAL AND THEN IT'S DEFINED THE FIRST TIME.
SO AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, AND IT MAY BE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU PROVIDED ATTORNEY.
SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS ENDED FEW DAYS AGO.
AND I THINK IT'S A GENERAL GUIDELINES, WHICH LIKE YOU SAID MAY NOT BE MANDATED, THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IS THAT THE FEI WOULD BE READY FOR FILING IN ABOUT 45 DAYS.
UM, SO YOU'RE MENTIONING SOME WORK WITH SOME OTHER CONSULTANTS MM-HMM
UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE LIKELY? IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 90 DAYS.
I WENT THROUGH A SCENARIO THE OTHER NIGHT AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT BY TIME.
HOPEFULLY I'LL GET FURTHER COMMENT AT THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON THE, ON THE DEIS.
IF I HAVE TO GO OUT AS BILL SAYS, THEY STILL MADE THE DECISION, I HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT.
THAT COULD TAKE ME 30 DAYS OR SO TO GET THAT, THAT PERSON ON BOARD IN THE COMMENTS.
YOU'RE GONNA GET US THE DRAFT.
IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US ANOTHER MEETING OR TWO TO FINALIZE THAT FDIS.
SO I'M GUESSING IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE 90 DAY PERIOD OR JUST TO BE HONEST, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE 90 DAYS.
IS THAT, ESPECIALLY IF I'M HIRING AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, IS THAT A STATUTORILY REQUIRED 90? NO, DON'T, THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE STATUTORY.
THE REST ARE DIRECTORY AND NOT MANDATORY.
WHEN WE WERE GIVE A LITTLE, WHEN WE WERE REDOING THE SECRET LAW AND I'M SITTING IN ALBANY
EVERYBODY STAYED AWAY FROM MANDATORY TIMEFRAME.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FALL APPROVAL.
ALL THE ATTORNEYS IN ROOMS HAD ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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ARE DIRECTORY AND MANDATORY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A DEFAULT.BUT THEY DID INCLUDE THE WHOLE SCOPING THING THAT, THAT, UH, THE DRAFT SCOPE BECOMES A FINAL SCOPE IF YOU DON'T COMMENT ON IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME PERIOD.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER MANDATED TIMEFRAMES AND SEEKER.
THEY ARE DIRECT REVIEWS TO TRY TO STAY WITHIN THOSE QUESTION.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO POINT, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET DREW TO, TO STOP.
I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST LIKE, I MEAN IF THERE'S OTHER WORK BEING DONE, IF THERE'S OTHER CONSULTANTS, THE SOONER YOU CAN PROVIDE US THAT INFORMATION, THE BETTER RATHER THAN SORT OF WAITING FOR A MEETING.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO SORT OF CONVEY THAT INFORMATION AS IT'S COMPLETED.
I'M PRETTY SURE WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, YOU GUYS WOULD'VE TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO THAT MIGHT SO YOU'D, YOU'D, YOU'D BE AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE I THINK JENNIFER WOULD SEND YOU A BILL, SO, RIGHT.
OR DO WE HAVE A, THE TOWN OF IT WILL COME FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY, BUT I WILL PREPARE IT.
YEAH, WE WILL BE SENDING YOU SO YOU'RE NOT SHOCKED YOU'RE GONNA GET A BILL, RIGHT? I LOOK, LOOK, YEAH.
I THINK THERE'S SOME GUIDANCE IN THE LAW.
AND THERE IS GUIDANCE IN THE LAW.
SO AT NEXT MEETING, WE'LL, WE'LL HOPEFULLY DECIDE ON A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE WE'LL NEED SOME DIRECTION PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I WILL ADJOURN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE HEALTH ROAD.
SO WE CANNOT, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FORM OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.