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WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH OUR WORK SESSION.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FRANCIS OSER.
DO, UH, REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
BE LOCATED AT 4 7 1 6 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
THIS IS A, SO YOU, YOU'VE GOT ONE LOT YOU WANT TURN INTO THREE, CORRECT? IT'S, UH, VERY WOODED.
WHAT'S THAT MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT.
I WAS, UH, I, UH, CLEARED IT, UH, WITH PERMITS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK.
I THOUGHT I STILL HAD A LOT OF TREES.
WELL, NOT EVERY SINGLE TREE ON THE LOT, BUT YEAH.
THE TREES THAT ARE NOW KEEPING, I DON'T WANNA THINK ABOUT.
WELL THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH, UM, WE COULD COME UP, UP WITH A PLAN AND HOW TO KEEP THE TREES THAT ARE STILL THERE.
I'M NOT, THEY'RE DEFINITELY STAYING.
SO, SO, UM, IF YOU COULD SHOW US HOW THE HOUSE IS GONNA GET CONSTRUCTED.
HOW MANY, IF NO MORE TREES ARE COMING DOWN NO MORE, I GOT THE AIR THAT'S CUT, UH, IS ALREADY SET UP.
SO YOU CAN PUT THE TWO HOUSES IN.
TWO PIECES, THEN WE CAN, UM, IF IT GETS APPROVED, WE'LL WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT NO TREES COMING DOWN.
I, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD COME DOWN MAYBE LIKE SHRUBS, BUT THAT'S, BUT I'M REPLANTING ANYHOW.
I'M GONNA BURN THE WHOLE BACK WITH TREES, SO I'M PLANTING MORE TREES THERE TOO.
I'M TRYING TO BLOCK THE, UH, RAILROAD IN THE BACK.
SO I'M GONNA PUT ALL TREES ALONG THE BACK OF THERE.
PLANT MORE, MORE WHERE I CAN GET IN WHERE THE HOUSES ARE.
AND SARAH, BECAUSE THIS IS THREE, IT'S GONNA NEED A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? THERE'S THREE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? IT DOES MEET CODE AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS GO ANYMORE.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FRANCIS OSSER FOR APRIL 20TH.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.SO YOU COME BACK ON THE 20TH, WE'LL DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND DID YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM HIM? DID YOU ASK HIM? I'M SORRY.
WELL, HE'S, HE'S, HE SAID HE IS GONNA KEEP ALL THE TREES BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA WANT IS AN IDEA OF HOW MANY TREES WOULD COME DOWN, BUT IF IT'S ZERO THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T NEED A MAP SHOWING WHERE
SO THAT'S, I'M A BIG ENTRY GUY, SO ESPECIALLY IT TAKES SO LONG TO GROW.
BUT I, I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE I'M GETTING AT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE TREES.
YEAH, NO, THEY'RE, I'M PUTTING MORE UP, SO THAT'S AS SOON AS I GET IT BILL, I'LL PUT MORE TREES ZONE.
SO NEXT ITEM AGENDA IS DAVID BURKE REQUESTING REZONING A PORTION OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD FROM C TWO TO NC.
IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A WORKFORCE RENTAL HOUSING PROJECT, THEY WANTED TO BE TABLED UNTIL, UH, TWO WEEKS THEIR APPLICANTS STUCK OUT OF TOWN.
AND THAT'S SAYS A WORK SESSION.
SO YOU JUST CROSS IT OUT AND THEN THEY'LL BE, UM, FOR A WORK SESSION FOR MAY 4TH OR NO, TWO WEEKS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JOHN BEST REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON VACANT LAND EAST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD.
JOSH BEST JOHN BEST OR HOW YOU DOING? UH, YOU NAME'S JOSHUA BEST.
I'M FROM BEST BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'RE ALSO THE DEVELOPERS BEHIND THE WOODS OF BAYVIEW, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS SITE.
THE TOWNHOUSES AT, UH, SOUTH PARK IN BAYVIEW.
UH, THIS IS A PROPOSED, UH, SELF STORAGE FACILITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS VACANT LAND RIGHT HERE.
UH, WE LIKE THIS SITE FOR MANY REASONS 'CAUSE THE VISIBILITY OF ALL THE CARS.
UM, IT'S VACANT AND WE ALSO THINK IT'D BE NICE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
WE WANNA CLEAN UP THIS CORNER.
SO WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE CURB CUTS HERE.
THAT'S KIND OF DANGEROUS COMING OUTTA HERE.
THERE'S A, CURRENTLY THERE'S A DOG, UM, A GROOMING, GROOMING FACILITY RIGHT HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THIS CURB CUT HERE FOR THIS BUSINESS PARK.
THE NEW CAR WASHES GOING IN, WE'RE GONNA SHARE THIS DRIVEWAY.
THERE'LL BE A SECURITY GATE RIGHT HERE.
THERE'LL BE A SMALL OFFICE FOR US.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE, UM, A KEY CARD ACCESS HERE, WE'LL DRIVE THROUGH.
AND OUR OTHER, UH, SITE ENTRANCE WILL BE OVER HERE ON RILEY BOULEVARD.
AND AGAIN, WE THINK THIS WAS, UM, AFTER MEETING PRELIMINARY WITH SARAH AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, TOWN, UM, ENGINEERS, WE FELT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
SO WE WEREN'T SPITTING OUT ONTO THE MAIN THERE OF FARES HERE.
UH, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, YOU WOULD DRIVE IN THE BUILDING HERE AND YOU WOULD UNLOAD SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE ALL THE DOORS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO YOU THINK THAT'S A NICE CLEAN DESIGN.
THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE IS A RENDERING WE'RE PROPOSING.
I TRY TO BORROW SOME OF THE LANGUAGE FROM, UM, THE NEIGHBOR SEAN SHAW HERE WITH THE TOWERS AND KIND OF A AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WITH THE NICE WHITE COLORS AND THE, THE BLACK MODEL SIDING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE A SERIES OF THE BUILDINGS, HOW THEY'LL LOOK AND WE PLAN ON FULLY LANDSCAPING THE PERIMETER TO KIND OF BEAUTIFY THE CORNER.
HAPPY TO ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE DO HAVE TO DISCUSS, AND MAYBE WE CAN'T BECAUSE THE CURRENT NOT THERE, IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN THE BOOK BUSINESS CAR.
THERE ARE A LIST OF PROHIBITED YES.
USES THE CAR WASH WAS ON
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERING OPINIONS.
UM, DREW FEELS THAT MAYBE THIS SHOULD BE, THIS IS MORE LIKE A WAREHOUSE AND WAREHOUSES ARE PROHIBITED.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN UM, THEY WOULD'VE TO DO WITH CAR WASH TO GET THE TOWN BOARD TO AMEND THAT LIST.
UM, I, ON THE OTHER HAND DON'T THINK IT IS A WAREHOUSE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THE DEFINITION OF A WAREHOUSE.
AND WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE WAREHOUSES AND WE HAVE STORAGE FACILITIES.
TWO SEPARATE, UH, THINGS IN THE COMMERCIAL CODE.
TO ME, ME IT DOESN'T MAKE RIGHT.
USUALLY WE'D HAVE OUR ATTORNEY WEIGH IN, BUT SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL TODAY.
WE WON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS JUST OUR FIRST AND SOMETIMES HER, HER RESPONSE IS SHE'S GOTTA LOOK AT IT TOO, SO YEAH.
AND ONCE SHE KNOWS, SHE KNOWS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
SO BY THE TIME YOU'RE BACK NEXT,
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UM, COULD YOU GO OVER THE YEAH, SURE.WHERE RIGHT HERE YOU'RE UP WITH THE, AND RIGHT HERE THERE'S GOTTA BE NOTHING ON BAYVIEW.
SO THIS WHOLE COMPLEX WAS OWNED BY ONE OWNER AND THEY SUBDIVIDED IT.
THIS ACTUALLY, THIS IS A THROUGH STREET NOW.
THEY ELIMINATED THIS ROUNDABOUT AND THIS MAKES A NICE ENTRANCE, UM, TO KIND OF SOFTEN COMING OFF OF SOUTH OF WESTERN.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP THIS WHOLE MESS RIGHT HERE.
YOU BACK UP SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EXIT ON RILEY.
THAT RILEY COME OUT AND COME OUT BAYVIEW THOUGH.
SO YOU COULD, YEAH, THEY COULD EVENTUALLY.
AND WHAT'S NICE IS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S CURB CUTS HERE AND HERE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE WITH TRAILERS OR, YOU KNOW, BIG TRUCKS WITH LOADED UP WITH STUFF DRIVING IN THERE CAUSING TRAFFIC JAMS. WE THINK THIS IS A NICE THING TO DO FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW, I MEAN WE, WE OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE SO WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC'S LIKE THAT PEAK HOURS.
HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THAT DOG, DOG CLEANING PLACE? WE'RE PURCHASING THE DOG CLEANING PLACE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RENDERING, WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING POWER ELEMENT TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE A PHOTO RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS WHAT IT, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW AND WE'RE ADDING THIS ELEMENT ON TOP OF IT.
I'LL JUST SAY I LIKE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE HOW YOU INCORPORATED THE DESIGN OF THE TAKING IT FROM SEAN SHAW.
'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG WHITE KIND OF OLD SCHOOL HOUSE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY FROM SEAN SHAW ORIGINALLY.
SO WE HAVE CLOSE, THEY DO ALL OF OUR LEGAL STUFF, SO, AND DID YOU GUYS DO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE YEAH.
SO I'LL JUST SAY THE THING THAT YOU KNOW, THAT I'M ALWAYS SENSITIVE TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOUTH PARK IS THAT IT'S A BIG, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG, UM, COMMUTING.
AND IT'S SORT OF A MULTIMODAL COMMUNICATION STRETCH.
SO YOU GOT BUSES, YOU GOT CYCLISTS, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS, UM, YEAH, I WAS DRIVING THERE AND I SAW SOME PEOPLE WALKING ALONG THAT STRETCH.
YEAH, THERE'S, YEAH, I PLOWED IN FRONT OF OUR, UM, OUR SIDEWALK THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A BUS AT THE BUS STOP.
WE HAVE PEOPLE BEING DROPPED OFF ON BUSES FOR TENANTS AND STUFF.
SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.
THAT'S WHY WE MADE THE DECISION EARLY ON JUST TO ABANDON YEAH.
THE ENTRANCE AT BAYVIEW AND, UM, SOUTH PARK HAVE, AND THEN WE, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, IT MAKES FOR A SOFTER LANDING, IF YOU WILL.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW THERE, THIS IS NOT DEVELOPED YET, BUT THERE'S, THIS IS VERY SLOW GO.
PEOPLE DON'T USE THIS REALLY AS A CUT THROUGH.
IT'S VERY, I I, I DRIVE DOWN THIS ROAD FOUR TIMES A WEEK AND THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC HERE.
IT'S, IT'S THIS CONGESTION POINT HERE.
AND THEN, SO WE'LL HAVE THE EXPOSURE HERE, BUT, BUT OUR FUTURE TENANTS COULD ACCESS THE SITE FROM BOTH PLACES WITH THE, THEIR KEY CODE.
AND IS THAT ALSO THE STRETCH JUST SOUTH OR JUST NORTH OF SOUTHWESTERN IS WHERE THE PATTERN KIND OF GOES.
THAT'S IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY ACTUALLY DOWN HERE WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE HAIRY WHERE THE NEW BOBCAT JUST WENT IN.
SO THAT'S WHY AGAIN, TO FURTHER SOFTEN THAT WE CHOSE IT EARLY ON TO KIND OF MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW LIKE THIS.
YEAH, I MEAN THOSE ARE THE SORT OF ITEMS THAT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
OR AFTER OUR INITIAL REVIEW SORT OF ISSUES, SENSITIVE ISSUES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE A FAVORABLE, UM, READ FROM YOU GUYS AND CONTINUE FORWARD WITH OUR SITE ENGINEERING AND HOPEFULLY BE IN CONSTRUCTION SOON, OBVIOUSLY AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESS AND HEAR FROM JENNIFER, RIGHT? YES.
EVEN WITH THE CAR WASH, THE TOWN, IF THEY WANTED TO GO FORWARD, THE TOWN BOARD COULD JUST CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUSINESS PART TO ALLOW IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CARWASH.
SO THE CARWASH IS DONE IS IN, OR YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND I LINED UP OUR DRIVEWAY HERE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH EXACTLY HOW THEY ENTER.
SO THE, THE CARWASH TENANTS WILL DRIVE IN HERE AND ENTER HERE.
AND FOR OUR FUTURE MEETING, I'LL, I'LL ASK THE OTHER ENGINEER WHO IS A FRIEND OF MINE, UH, FROM PREMIER MARSHALL WOOD TO GIVE ME HIS, UM, PLANS.
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BUT IT LOOPS AROUND HERE AND IT SPITS 'EM OUT.AND THEN THIS IS ACTUALLY A THROUGH ROAD NOW, SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO AGAIN, MAKE THIS HARD LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE, WHICH YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S THAT LITTLE ISLAND.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE REFERRALS TO OTHER AGENCIES.
WELL THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ENGINEERED THE PLANS YET, SO WE CAN'T DO THAT YET.
SO THIS WAS JUST TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS FELT ABOUT IT.
WHY DON'T YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK.
AND BY THAT TIME I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF DETERMINATION WITH JENNIFER.
EITHER WAY YOU HAVE TO ENGINEER THE CLIENT.
SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JOSH.
APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
OKAY, SO I GOT A MOTION TO TABLE JOSH BEST.
UH, SECOND BY MR. ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
GONNA SEPARATE THE PRONUNCIATIONS.
WELL, I MEAN, AT LEAST JOHN AND JOSH CAN'T PRONOUNCE HIS FIRST NAME.
REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A SELF STORAGE FACILITY AT 3 9 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
HE IS THE REP FROM LIFE STORAGE.
WANTS TO TAKE THAT DILAPIDATED HOTEL SLASH PARKING AREA ON MCKINLEY AND TURN IT INTO WORLD CLASS CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE FACILITIES TO, UH, ONE BRAND NEW BUILDING.
AND THEY'RE GONNA REUSE MAJORITY OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE EXISTING HOTEL.
THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROPOSE SOME OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE, PARKING.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE DRAWINGS THAT REPRESEN PRESENTED.
AND THE BIG QUESTION BECAUSE OF TIMING FOR FINANCIAL REASONS AND PURCHASING AGREEMENTS, IS IF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL AS WELL AS SITE PLAN APPROVAL CAN BE RUN CONCURRENTLY.
YEAH, ORIGINALLY WE HAD MET WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
OUR ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN HAD A COUPLE TRADITIONAL, UM, DRIVE UP STYLE UNITS IN THE BACK.
UM, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THOSE DID NOT MEET ZONING, UM, REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME WE'RE UNDER OUR PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY, SO WE'RE UNDER DUE DILIGENCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO ZONING AND THEN SITE PLAN.
UM, SO WE ELIMINATED THOSE TRADITIONAL DRIVE UP UNITS, UM, AND IN TURN, UM, ADDED SOME RENTABLE PARKING SPACES FOR RVS, BOATS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IT WOULD FULLY BE SCREENED BY THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING, UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS UTILIZED FOR, UM, I THINK A CAR DEALERSHIP THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT SCREENED AT ALL.
UM, SO WE'D BE LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON THIS APPLICATION.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.
I, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OUTDOOR STORAGE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S, WELL, THE ISSUE WE RAN INTO IS ZONING IS THAT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE JUST ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE WHERE OUR TRADITIONAL DRIVE UP UNIT IS FLAT UP NOT ALLOWED.
I'D RATHER DO ANOTHER BUILDING BACK THERE AND HAVE OUTSIDE DRIVE UP UNITS.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY ZONING.
PUBLIC BIDDING STORAGE IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE C TWO ZONE ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE TO DO IT LIKE WHAT JOSH IS DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.
SO BOTH OF OUR BUILDINGS, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OUR REASON AND ALL THAT.
IT WOULD BE, IT WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM FROM THE ROAD.
YOU'VE GOT THE LITTLE STRIP PLAZA JUST QUARTER MILE NORTH.
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NOT TRAILERS HANGING OUT DOING NOTHING WITH THE SIZE OF THAT THREE STORY BUILDING OUT FRONT.SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING IS GONNA REMAIN.
THE FOOTPRINT IS STAYING OUTSIDE OF AN ADDITIONAL STAIRWELL TO MEET EGRESS CODES.
UM, THE NEW BUILDING TO THE NORTH WILL BE A THREE STORY ALL INDOOR CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING.
THE PARKING IS ALL IN THE BACK.
ADDITIONAL, IT'S VERY HEAVILY LANDS OR BUFFERED ALREADY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE'RE GONNA ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, PLUS ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH END TO ENSURE THAT IT'S FULLY SCREENED.
I HAVE AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THE AERIAL BEHIND IT.
DO YOU WANNA, THAT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CLOSER.
THIS HERE, THIS IS THAT SET UP NOW.
ALL PARKING, THEY ACTUALLY PARK THESE CARS.
AGAIN, THIS HAS VEGETATION OVER HERE, BUT BACK IN THIS AREA IS VERY COMMERCIAL.
IT'S, IT'S INDUSTRIAL ALMOST WITH THE LANDSCAPE COMPANY BACK THERE.
AND WITH THIS BEING THIS UPFRONT, IT'S GONNA BE THAT THREE STORY BUILDING THE EDGE OF MCKINLEY.
THIS IS WHERE THAT OUTDOOR PARKING'S GONNA MAINLY BE.
AND THEN ALSO BACK BEHIND THIS TWO STORY, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FENCED IN FOR SECURITY FENCE.
WELL WE NEED A, IS IT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE OUTDOOR STORAGE? SEVEN OR EIGHT.
WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING, IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE WANT ANY PARKING BACK HERE TO BE SECURED IF PEOPLE ARE PARKING THEIR RVS AND RUNNING SPACES.
SO WHAT'LL PROBABLY HAPPEN IS, UM, FENCING WITH A, WITH A GATE ACROSS THAT DRIVE AISLE AND PROBABLY ACROSS HERE TOO.
UM, BUT WE, BUT WE HAVE A CODE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I THINK IT'S EIGHT FEET FENCE, RIGHT? YEP.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS PROBABLY COME ACROSS AND THEN THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT IF LIKE CHAIN LINK'S NOT GONNA, YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT, RIGHT? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO THE DEFENSE SUPPOSED TO SCREEN TO OR IS THAT UP TO YOU? OH, THAT IT'S TO YOU TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT.
RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IF THERE WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IT'S THERE.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY VEHICLES, HOW MANY VEHICLES WOULD YOU PLAN HAVING BACK THERE ON THE PLAN? RIGHT NOW THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 55.
DENNIS AND BOB, WERE YOU ON THE PLANNING BOARD LAST TIME SOMETHING WAS PROPOSED ON THIS PROPERTY? NO, THAT WAS BEFORE YOU AND YOU GUYS.
I SAY IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A WHILE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO JUST ADD ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE WERE ORIGINALLY DOING SINGLE STORY DRIVE UP UNITS AND THAT LOSS OF REVENUE NOT BE ABLE TO DO THOSE REALLY ALMOST KILLED OUR DEAL.
SO BEING ABLE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UM, ONTO THIS PROPERTY FOR US, UM, IS REALLY NEEDED ON OUR END.
IT'S IT'S THE SELLING IT'S TICKETING POINT, CORRECT? YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE ON THE BOARD WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO YES, THEY WAS THE SPORTS.
ICE R THE FENCE WAS AN ISSUE WITH GUY WHO THE PHARMACY TIME BECAUSE WE WANTED A CLEAR CLEAR YEAH.
THERE WEREN'T MANY ISSUES WITH THAT OTHER THAN THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
THEY COULDN'T DO IT WASN'T OUR PHONE.
WERE THEY PROPOSING HOCKEY RINK? YEAH, IN THE, THE HOTEL.
THEY WERE GONNA REDO THE HOTEL TO BE BACK AT A HOTEL FOR PEOPLE IN THE TRAVEL HOCKEY TEAMS. AND SO THERE'S SOMETHING NEXT DOOR.
THE DEMAND FOR THESE STORAGE AREAS IS THROUGH THE ROOF, BUT IT'S, THIS IS GONNA BE A HIDE ITEM FOR, FOR HAMBURG AND WE'RE PLANNING TO ACTUALLY USE THIS AS A REDEVELOPMENT SITE AND REDUCE IMPERVIOUS COVER BY AT LEAST REQUIREMENTS OF 25%.
SO YOU'RE ALMOST FIVE ACRES OF BUILDING AND BLACKTOP IS GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER.
THIS IS PROPOSED FOR A LARGE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THIS SIDE AS WELL AS WE'RE GONNA, THE DETAILS OF THE STORM WATER DETENTION HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETELY FINALIZED YET, BUT ALONG THE ENTIRE WEST BORDER WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE GREEN.
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YEAH, I MEAN I GUESS I'LL JUST SECOND THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE SCREENING ISSUES.UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALSO BE AN ISSUE, UH, FOR ME AS WELL.
UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A RENDERING OF SORT OF FROM THAT'S WHAT YEAH, FROM MCKINLEY.
WHEN WE COME FROM PUBLIC AND WE'LL HAVE FULL, UM, ELEVATIONS.
HOW FAR ARE YOU IN ENGINEERING? UH, QUITE A WAYS NOW.
WE HAD TO WAIT FOR CATCH BASINS TO GET CLEANED OUT AND FINAL SOME OTHER, UH, DISCHARGE POINTS THAT CANMY HELPED ME WITH LAST WEEK.
SO, SO UM, ARE YOU GONNA SUBMIT THE C STUFF? WE WILL AS SOON AS WE CAN.
THE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE THE NEXT QUICKEST DEADLINE, WHICH IS, I WOULDN'T THINK SO NOW I RIGHT.
PHYSICALLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME.
UM, I THINK FOR THAT EARLY MAY COME BACK.
SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE LIFE STORAGE TO MAY 4TH.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT AT THE SAME TIME? YES.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT UP THERE.
MY HEADACHE IS IF WE WANT IT TO BE, IF WE DON'T, I EMAILED IT.
YOU PUT EMAIL TODAY OR, OR TWO AGO.
SO NOT TIME LONG AGO BECAUSE I WAS LIKE THIS, I WAS NOT SEEING THIS BOOK IN OUR EMAILS EVEN THOUGH I SAW TOO AND THEN I DON'T THINK I SAW STUFF.
YEAH, THE AGENDA SAID WAS THE FINDING STATEMENT YOU SENT TO US.
THEY US WHAT INFORMATION? AND THEN THEY SENT A THIRD, A THIRD PIECE.
BUT WE, THEY DREW PROVIDED THE FINDING STATEMENT.
IT'S ON LIKE A PAGE, PIECE OF PAPER.
YOU GOT THE, UH, YOU GOT THE STUFF FROM SEAN HOPKINS ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? WE GOT, WE GOT THE STUFF FROM SEAN.
WE GOT HIS FINDINGS ON MARCH 31ST.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UH, THIS RESOLUTION ON DRAFT RESOLUTION ON MISSION.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEND YOU DRAFT RESOLUTION.
WE DON'T HAVE THEM AHEAD USUALLY.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT ONE, EVERYBODY GOT THE DOLLAR GENERAL ONE THOUGH, RIGHT? WELL THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT.
OKAY, SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T.
I GUESS LIKE CAN WE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK THEM IN ADVANCE AND MAKE EDITS.
YEAH, WE WERE SAYING WE DIDN'T GET ADVANCE.
THE REST AND MARGO SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR IT.
I JUST ASKED IF WE HAD RECEIVED IT.
THE REST OF THE INFORMATION THAT GOES WITH THAT RESOLUTION YOU ALREADY HAVE.
THAT'S DREW JUST GAVE ME THAT TODAY.
HE SAYS WE'LL SEND YOU A RESOLUTION OR WE WAIT OR YOU INSTRUCT US TO DRAFT ONE THAT'S, HE SAYS A LOT OF THINGS
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WE'LL DO THIS WE CAN SEND, THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO.UH, WELCOME TO THE APRIL 6TH MEETING IN THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE P PLEDGES TO FLAG UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS NATION UNDER INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PER ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MARK MOLE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL FOR A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY TO BE LOCATED AT 2 9 4 5 SOUTH CREEK RAILROAD.
SO WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
WE'VE GOT DRAFT RESOLUTIONS IN OUR FOLDERS.
UM, ANYBODY HERE FROM MARCO? ANY CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE? ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD? NO.
AND I'M JUST GONNA READ THE RESOLUTIONS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM MARK MO TO CONSTRUCT A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 9 4 5 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS ON MARCH 16TH, 2022.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE SHORT EAF IN ACCORDANCE WITH SIX N-Y-C-C-R PAR 6 1 7 SEEKER AND HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW AND ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE SAFE AND OR THE HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED MARKAL TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUE.
THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF SUCH A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
MR. BOBE, THE WRITER BOBE BOB SEA.
MOTION CARRIED SITE PLAN, APPROVAL RESOLUTION WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM MARK MOLE TO INSTALL A TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 9 4 5 SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PROJECT ON MARCH 16TH, 2022.
AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED SOLAR ARRAY MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE FOR TIER TWO SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS, NOW THEREFORE BE A RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION AND WAIVERS ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED APRIL 1ST, 2022.
THE TIER TWO SOLAR ARRAY SHALL ADHERE TO ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY.
COUNTY, COUNTY AND TOWN HAMBURG
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LAW, TOWN OF HAMMERING LAWS, REGULATIONS, AND BUILDING PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL AND FIRE CODES.WHAT'S THE UH, ENGINEERING LETTER THERE? SHE HAS NO COMMENTS.
THE ENGINEERING SAYS NO ISSUES.
THE RESOLUTION TO SAY ADDRESSING ENGINEERING COMMENT LETTER.
IT'S JUST IN THIS CASE YOU GO TO THE ENGINEERING FUND AND IT SAYS I HAVE NO ISSUES.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GET ANYTHING OUT TO LOOK AT? I YOU WANT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU? I, IN, UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS I HAVE THE OVERALL PLAN.
ALRIGHT, SO MARRA, YOU SENT SOME COMMENTS TO DREW AND HE DID NOT GET BACK TO YOU.
HE SENT THEM, HE SENT THEM TO SARAH AND ONE I'M GONNA ASK AND THE OTHER ONE SARAH, UM, ANSWER.
ALRIGHT, SHE DUG UP THE, I GO TO THE DEPTH OF THIS PROJECT AND SHE DUG UP THE ANSWER.
ALRIGHT, SO REAL BRIEFLY, GOOD EVENING, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
DURING THAT MEETING, I WASN'T HERE, BUT I BELIEVE KAITLYN MCCORMICK ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH WE PROVIDED VIA A LETTER.
BASICALLY HER QUESTION WAS ATTEMPTING TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE REDUCTION IS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AS A RECALL, THE SUBDIVISION COMPONENT, WHICH IS PHASE THREE PATIO HOMES ORIGINALLY CONSISTED OF 91 LOTS AND NOW CONSISTS OF 81 LOTS.
THERE'S AN ASSORTMENT OF REASONS WHY THAT DENSITY WAS REDUCED, BUT PRIMARILY IT WAS TO REDUCE WETLAND IMPACTS.
A WETLAND PERMIT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN 2010.
AND THEN IN 2018 AN UPDATED JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION WAS ISSUED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE WETLANDS HAVE EXPANDED SOME.
SO RATHER THAN GO BACK AND UNDERTAKE ANOTHER PERMITTING PROCESS, A DECISION WAS MADE AT THAT TIME BASED ON INPUT FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO SIMPLY REDUCE LOTS.
PHASE FOUR OF THE PROJECT AS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN 2010 WAS 40 UNITS.
AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO THIS TO YOU SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING HERE.
MR. MANKO MET WITH RESIDENTS OF HIS EXISTING COMMUNITY AND THEY INDICATED THEY'D PREFER TO REMOVE THAT BUILDING.
SO ULTIMATELY WE'RE UP FIVE UNITS COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN CONNECTION WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A FINDING STATEMENT BY A PREDECESSOR BOARD IN 2010.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE SITE.
AND SPECIFICALLY IT'S A REDUCTION OF, I BELIEVE 35,687 SQUARE FEET.
SO ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
IT MAKES SENSE WHY OBVIOUSLY THE FOOTPRINT OF ATTACHED TOWN HOME UNITS IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT RESULTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE FAMILY LOT.
IT ALSO DID RESULT IN SOME SLIGHT REDUCTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS A RESULT TO, AS A RESULT OF THE NEED TO MODIFY CURVES, ET CETERA.
I DO WANNA NOTE THE SUBDIVISION PLANS HAVE BEEN FULLY APPROVED AND ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE AN ISSUE ALSO AROSE BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH SARAH, THAT IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE FINDING STATEMENT FROM 2010 SPECIFICALLY, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ON PAGE FIVE, ORIGINALLY THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING WAS HERE AND THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL TOWN HOME BUILDING HERE.
AND BASICALLY, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT AND MORE IMPORTANTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME WETLANDS THERE.
THAT BUILDING WAS FLIPPED TO THE OTHER SIDE.
NET DECISION WAS MADE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
BUT THAT'S HOW THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED.
SO I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT THE PROJECT CLEARLY IS NOT GONNA RESULT IN ANY POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AS COMPARED TO THE FINDING STATEMENT ISSUED IN 2010.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS ISSUING A DECISION THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH OF COURSE IS FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE REVIEW AND APPROVED, INCLUDING A REVIEW BY CAME ON BEHALF OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS BASED ON YOUR INPUT, UM, I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.
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SO THAT PARAGRAPH ONE QUESTION PAGE FIVE WAS MINE AND IT IS A TWO-PARTER.SO IT WAS, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING WAS MOVED THE, THE CLUBHOUSE.
UM, AND SO MY QUESTION THAT WENT TO TO DREW AND SARAH AS YOU NOTED THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT IS THAT THE, UM, ARMY CORPS SET A CONDITION AS ONE OF THE MITIGATION FACTORS THAT TWO OF THE UNITS THAT TWO FOUR UNITS BUILDINGS BE REMOVED.
AND SO I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I HAD HOLISTIC INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND IF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS WERE REMOVED PRE 2010, LIKE BEFORE THIS FINDING STATEMENT OR AFTER 2010 AND WE SHOULD SEE THEM REMOVED HERE.
AND I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THE FINDING STATEMENT.
NO, I BELIEVE THEY WERE REMOVED.
WAS IT AFTER? AFTER BUT BEFORE THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE PHASE WAS APPROVED.
AND WHEN SARAH ASKED ME THE QUESTION, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN 2010.
SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A CLUBHOUSE, A TOWN HOME BUILDING NEXT TO IT IN A BIGGER TOWNHOUSE BUILDING ON THIS SIDE.
SO THOSE THREE BUILDINGS WERE SWAPPED FOR VISTA CLUBHOUSE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE LAYOUT WAS KEPT CONSISTENT WITH THAT THRESHOLD ESTABLISHED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, A MAXIMUM OF 0.45 ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACTS.
AND SO THE FOLLOW UP INFORMATION WITH THE, UM, ARMY CORPS LETTER FROM 2009 AND THEN THE DEC CONCURRENCE RIGHT.
THAT THERE'S NO, UM, STATE WEAPONS.
THAT WAS TO ANSWER CAITLIN'S QUESTION.
AND THEN, BUT THESE IMPACTS GENERALLY APPLIED TO PHASE THREE, NOT PHASE FOUR, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT'S A COMPARISON OF PHASE THREE AND PHASE FOUR.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT SHE SPECIFICALLY HAD ASKED FOR.
WE HAD ACTUALLY PUT IT PREVIOUSLY IN THE SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, BUT I BELIEVE SHE ASKED, SHE WAS ASKING FOR A NARRATIVE AS WELL AND SHE DID, UM, INDICATE TO ME THAT SHE SATISFIED WITH WHAT HE GAVE.
BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW, WHAT I MOST RECENTLY SUBMITTED WAS THE UPDATED JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION ISSUED BY TWO IN 2017 MM-HMM
AND BASED ON THAT, WE KEPT IT THAT EXACT SAME NUMBER.
SO THE SIZE OF THE WETLANDS INCREASE, WE DID NOT, NOT ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL IMPACTS.
WE'RE STILL AT 0.45 PER THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT ISSUED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN 2010.
AND THEN, UM, SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.
SO THE PERMIT, BUT THE WETLANDS, SO THE WETLANDS IMPACT, SO THE PERMIT ALSO SAID THAT CONSTRUCTION NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED BY 2012.
I BELIEVE I READ SOMEWHERE, BUT AS I WAS READING THE PERMIT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE WETLANDS PERMIT PROJECTS ARE IN, OR WETLANDS IMPACTS WERE IN PHASE THREE, WHICH IS COMPLETE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S RIGHT, SO THE WETLANDS PERMIT ISSUE, RIGHT.
SO THE WETLANDS WERE IMPACTED PURSUANT TO THE PERMIT.
THE PROBLEM WAS THE PROJECT WASN'T CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE PERMIT EXPIRING.
THE PERMITS ARE VALID FOR FIVE YEARS MM-HMM
WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION OF THAT PERMIT AS A MATTER OF ALMOST PRO FORMA.
THEY GRANT THAT IF IT'S A MULTI-PHASE PROJECT, BUT THEY DIDN'T.
AND THERE WAS, AS A RESULT, THEY LOST SOME, THEY LOST SOME DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE IN THE PHASE THREE, SO THEN WE HAVE THE LAST THING, THE LAST ISSUE, WHICH FOR ME RAISES A QUESTION OF THE UM, UM, OH MY GOODNESS.
CONSISTENCY WITH THE FINDINGS.
AND THAT IS THE FIVE EXTRA UNITS.
BECAUSE IF I'M SORT OF LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, HOLISTICALLY 50,000 FOOT, THE ARMY CORPS WAS LIKE, YOU CAN BUILD THIS, BUT WE NEED YOU TO REMOVE SOME BUILDINGS TO AVOID THE WETLANDS.
AND NOW YOU'RE COMING TO US SAYING, WELL WE ONLY HAVE FIVE UNITS.
IT'S NOT A HUGE CHAIN, BUT IT'S A WHOLE EXTRA BUILDING.
AND ONE OF THE MITIGATION FACTORS WAS TO REMOVE BUILDINGS AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER BUILDING BACK.
BUT REMEMBER WHAT THE ARMY CORPS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS NOT BUILDINGS BUT WETLAND IMPACTS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE CER WE'RE IN COMPLETE, IN COMPLETE CONSISTENCY WITH THE WETLAND EFFECTS.
KEEP IN MIND YOU COULD COMBINE BUILDINGS HERE AND HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF BUILDINGS.
IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT WETLAND IMPACTS FROM THE ARMY CORPS PERSPECTIVE.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN OVERARCHING CONSISTENCY WITH THE FINDINGS STATEMENT THAT SAYS PHASE FOUR IS GONNA HAVE 40 BUILDINGS AND NOW PHASE OR 40 UNITS.
AND NOW PHASE FOUR HAS ALMOST SAY 55, IT WAS 50.
SO IT'S 15 OVER, IT MIGHT BE FIVE
SO IT'S FIVE TOTAL, BUT IT'S 15 OVER WHAT WAS IN THIS FINDING STATEMENT FOR PHASE FOUR.
FOR PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR OUR PURPOSES RIGHT NOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, I FEEL THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT BECAUSE IT'S FIVE IS NOT THAT SMALL OF A NUMBER OF UNITS.
IT IS A WHOLE BUILDING AND 15 UNITS FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN 2010 FROM PHASE FOUR.
I GUESS I, THEY'RE LIKE, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING THE WETLAND 'CAUSE THE ARMY CORPS TOOK CARE OF THAT IN PHASE THREE, BUT
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THEY ARE LIKE, COULD NOT BE CLOSER TO THE WETLANDS.AND SO I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS, BUT I'M OPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S, UM, OPINIONS AND THE REASONABLENESS OF LIKE, IF YOU LOST A BUILDING, WOULD THAT KILL THE PROJECT? WOULD THAT REALLY HURT YOUR PROJECT? YEAH.
I GUESS ALL I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS MM-HMM
THAT REDUCTION OF THE 10 PATIO HOMES IS RELEVANT BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT'S THE BASELINE COMPARISON.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THERE'S A REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN WETLANDS, THIS AREA'S ALREADY CLEARED.
I JUST, I DON'T SEE HOW THERE'S ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.
THE FIRST QUESTION WE WANT TO ASK OURSELVES IS HAVE WE OBTAINED ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, NOT WHAT THAT DECISION IS JUST YET, BUT TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THE, THERE'S, WHETHER THE CHANGES ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO, OR SMALL ENOUGH TO GO WITH THE PRIOR IMPACT STATEMENT, OR IF WE THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW IMPACT STATEMENT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION? ALRIGHT.
SO THEN THE SECOND PART THAT WE'VE GOTTA CONSIDER IS HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH TIME WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION? BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THEN THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF IF EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY, THEY'VE HAD, THEY'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO, TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT DECISIONS THAT MIGHT BE, UM, BEFORE WE DO A VOTE OR WE CAN JUST DO A VOTE.
AND SOME PEOPLE YES, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
SO DO WE PEOPLE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO, TO THINK ABOUT IT, TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO, SO WE'RE AT A STAGE WHERE WE'RE GONNA REMOTE TODAY.
UM, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL UNITS, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING IN PHASE FOUR, LESS BUILDINGS IN PHASE THREE.
THE APPLICANT'S SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN IMPACT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS PERMEABLE SPACE THAT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE OVERALL THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, 35,000 LESS.
THERE ARE FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS.
UM, I MEAN, LET'S KIND OF BREAK THIS UP AND, AND HOW WE LOOK AT IT.
SO FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, A LOT OF TIMES THAT HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC.
DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS IS GONNA CREATE A TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT WOULD CHANGE THE FINDINGS OF THAT EARLIER? EIS NO.
SO, SO THAT LEAVES US BASICALLY WITH THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDINGS CHANGING, RIGHT.
OR IS THERE ANY OTHER FACTORS THAT HAVE KIND OF LEAVING OUT THAT MAKE A BIG DEAL? NO.
WHAT, WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING IN? WHEN YOU THINK THAT THAT, WHAT YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH OF HER IMPACT? I WANTED TO AT LEAST, UM, DISCUSS IT, BUT I DO ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING A PIECE OF INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T WANNA HOLD THIS UP.
AND THAT IS WHAT, UM, WHAT DID THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE AT THE TIME OF THE FINDING STATEMENT? AND THERE WAS ONLY 10 OF THEM INSTEAD OF OH, OKAY.
I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY KNOW THAT.
DO WE HAVE THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE HAD THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.
YOU MAY HAVE NOT BEEN HERE IN THAT MEETING POTENTIALLY.
WE DID HAVE IT, IT WAS FOUR 10 UNIT BUILDINGS, RIGHT.
FOR 10 MEETING TEN FOUR UNIT BUILDING.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED.
I DON'T HAVE THE, WE DID SHOW UP.
WELL ALL I HAVE IS THE LAYOUT BEFORE.
BUT THAT'S BEFORE THE CLUBHOUSE WAS RIGHT.
SO THAT THE, THE CLUBHOUSE FROM THOUSAND 10, IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S NOT DATED ON YEAH, IT IS.
SO SEE THE CLUBHOUSE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT IT IS AFTER THIS IS FACEBOOK.
AFTER THAT BUILDING WASN'T AND IT'S ALRIGHT.
SO THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT FOUR AND THEN THE CLUBHOUSE
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YOU GUYS SEE NOW YOU CAN SEE IT.AND THOSE ARE RIGHT, THIS IS GREEN SPACE.
AND THIS BIG BACK HERE, BIG WET ONES IN THE BACK AND ALL THE WET ONES ARE DE RESTRICTED.
SO WHERE DID THE, WHERE DID THE REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE HAPPEN? WAS IT JUST
THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOLMES DRIVEWAYS, ROADWAYS.
SO IT RESULTED IN THREE QUARTERS OF ACRE OF REDUCTION OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
WE PRETTY MUCH LOST THIS BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, AND THESE TWO.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALWAYS THESE, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A BUILDING THAT WAS HERE WHERE IT WAS MOVED THIS WAY.
SO WHEN THEY REFERENCED THREE BUILDINGS, IT WAS THREE BUILDINGS THAT THEY WANTED MODIFIED.
SO THIS IS HELPFUL BECAUSE THIS LAYOUT IS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN I WAS.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA NOTE IS, UH, CHAIRMAN CLARK INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
I GUESS I'M NOT SURELY SEEKING, SAY THERE'S NOT ANY DIFFERENCE IN IMPACTS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THEY CLEARLY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF BEING SIGNIFICANT.
IT IS A KEY DISTINGUISHING FACTOR.
THE IMPACTS ARE SIGNIFICANT IN US ENOUGH FOR US TO REVISIT.
VERSUS NOT SO SIGNIFICANT THAT WE CAN'T USE THE PRIOR DETERMINATION.
BUT I ACKNOWLEDGE AS MARIO SAID, IT IS A CHANGE.
AND I FEEL BETTER KNOWING THAT THEY'RE ALL ONE, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T DE RESTRICTED THEIR FEDERAL WEAPONS.
AND YOU HAVE HT SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.
SO NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A CHANGE AS IT SOUNDS INWARDS.
UM, MISSION HILLS PHASE FOUR DRAFT SEEKER RESOLUTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FROM DAVID MANKO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS PROJECTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE SKETCH PLAN SEVERAL MEETINGS AND HAVE NOTED THE REVISIONS MADE TO THE PROJECT OVER THE LAST 10 PLUS YEARS.
AND WHEREAS THE MISSION HILLS PROJECT WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN EIS AND FINDINGS WERE ISSUED BY THE TOWN.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT MUST DETERMINE IF THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SEEKER FINDINGS PRIOR TO PROCEEDING TO ANY APPROVALS.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AGAINST THE SEEKER FINDINGS, NOTING THE MINOR REVISIONS TO THE PLAN, AND IF THOSE REVISIONS COULD CREATE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THE EIS AND THE FINDINGS, AND HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT DOCUMENTING SUCH AM PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WITH ITS REVISIONS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SEEKER FINDINGS AND THEREFORE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATIONAL, WILL NOT, UH, CREATE AN ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD FINDS THAT THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MISSION HILLS SEEKER FINDINGS.
I'M GONNA CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I THIS IS WHY PEOPLE WANTED US TO GET AN EMAIL.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD FINDS THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR MISSION HILLS SEEKER FINDING STATEMENT AND NO FURTHER SEEKER REVIEW IS REQUIRED AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE PLANNING BOARD MINUTES AND MEMOS FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, WILL ACT AS THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE CONFORMANCE TO THE FINDINGS.
THANK YOU JUSTICE ON THE FIRST MOTION.
I, UH, I DIDN'T WRITE MY CHANGES, SO THAT'S FINE.
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YEAH, WELL IN THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE I, THERE WAS SOME SHOULD ADMIT TO.ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ANDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED COFFEE SHOP TO BE LOCATED AT 3 6 7 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS A PROPOSED STARBUCKS IN THE PLAZA ACROSS FROM THE MALL ACROSS THE PARKING LOT FOR POPEYE'S, BUT SIMILAR LAYOUT TO POPEYE'S, BUT SPOT.
WELL WEGMANS IS A SEPARATE PARCEL.
YEAH, BUT IT'S IT'S THE ONE NORTH THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA ENTER FROM THERE.
BUT THERE'S THE UM, OH THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THERE TO WEGMANS RIGHT THERE.
SO I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO MM-HMM
BEFORE I WALKED THROUGH THE PROJECT.
THE WHITE WINGS DRIVEWAY IS HERE.
WE ONLY OWN THE SINGLE PARCEL.
SO WE'LL CALL IT CAN WE PLAZA? IT'S GOT THE POPEYE'S OVER HERE WE HAVE THE STARBUCKS.
IT'S ABOUT A 2200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING LOCATED IN LINE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, OTHER OUT PARCEL.
IT PROVIDES A DOUBLE DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, AND A BYPASS LANE WITH A PARKING FIELD IN THE FRONT, A SMALL PARKING FIELD IN THE BACK AND A PATIO OUT FRONT WITH THE FRONT DOOR IS LOCATED HERE AND THE PEDESTRIAN MONEY NEEDS TO GET TO THE PARKING LOT.
THE BOARD HAD A QUESTION REGARDING STACKING LAST TIME YOU WANTED MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH STACKING.
SO IN THE TWO WEEKS INTERVENING, WE HAD SRF ENGINEERS DO A STACKING STUDY OF THREE OTHER STARBUCKS IN THE AREA AND ONE ON CAMP ROAD, ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND ONE ON TRANSIT ROAD NEAR, UM, SOME OF THE NEWER STARBUCKS.
THE MAXIMUM STACK AT ANY OF THOSE STARBUCKS WAS 12 CARS.
AND UM, THE AVERAGE STACK WAS FOUR CARS.
SO THAT'S AVERAGE THAT THE MAXIMUM STACK THEY HAD IN THE TIME COUNTED WAS 12 CARS WE GAVE US, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A STACKING PLAN, BUT WE STACKED 15 ON THE SITE.
SO WE EXCEED THE MAXIMUM STACK THAT WAS COUNTED BY THREE CARS.
AND THAT IS NOW ON THE WEBSITE.
WHAT TALKING ABOUT, I COULDN'T EMAIL.
THAT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH LOCATION, CORRECT.
WELL THERE EVERY LOCATION IS THAT'S WHEN WE COUNTED THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
WE COUNTED TWO IN THE SOUTH TOWNS AND THE ONE IN TRANSIT THERE WAS RECENTLY BUILT.
IS IT MADE THIRD OR FAIR? IT'S A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
SO WE COUNTED THREE BUSY STARBUCKS.
THE MAXIMUM STACK THEY HAD DURING THEIR PEAK TIME WAS 12 CARS.
WE PROVIDED A DOUBLE STACK THAT PROVIDES 15 CARS.
THAT WAY WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN WHAT THE MAXIMUM IS.
SO, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD HERE? WE ACTUALLY COUNTED THAT ONE.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A BAD SITE.
YOU TRY TO GET IN, YOU GOTTA HAVE, THEY GOT A DANCE STUDIO THERE, THEY GOT THE, UH, MOSS THERE, THOSE, AND IT JUST, IT'S HORRENDOUS.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ONE TO COUNT BECAUSE IT'S HORRENDOUS BECAUSE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS WEGMANS IS TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT EVER.
AS FAR AS THE NUMBER STACKING, I WOULDN'T EVEN COUNT THAT THEY GOT THOSE STACKING THE WAY YOU DO COUNTS.
BUT HE LOOKED AT THE LONGEST ONE.
THE WAY YOU DO COUNT IS YOU COUNT THE PEAK HOURS.
WE COUNTED THREE OF THE BUSIEST STARBUCKS IN THE AREA BASED ON THEIR SALES NUMBERS.
UM, SO THE, THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE STACKING THE MAXIMUM STACK THOSE HAD IN THEIR PEAK WAS 12.
I'M, I'M JUST, I KNOW YOU, I I, NO, DON'T THINK 15 IS SUFFICIENT.
YOU THINK MORE THAN THE WAY THAT TRACK IS GOING, YOU BETTER HAVE A LOT OF STACK.
IT'S ALL GETTING IN THERE NOW.
WELL IT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN BASE IT ON IS ACTUAL COUNTS.
UM, WELL THAT'S A PERCEPTION THAT YOU HAVE THIS LONG, BUT THE ACTUAL COUNTS ARE 12.
WELL, BUT HERE'S THE THING, I, I GO BY THEIR EVERY OTHER DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS GUY DID THE SURVEY.
WHEN HE GOES THERE AND YOU'RE SAYING GO BY ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, I GO BY REALITY AND THE REALITY IS GETTING IN AND OUTTA THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DANGEROUS.
THEY COUNTED AND NOW, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC GOING.
THEY COUNTED BETWEEN SEVEN AND 9:00 AM WHICH IS THEIR PEAK TIME DURING REGULAR TRAFFIC ON, ON THREE SEPARATE STARBUCKS, NOT JUST ONE.
SO, AND THE, THE, IT'S THE, THE MAXIMUM STACK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE WAS 12.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE, IT'S NOT JUST THE CAMP ROAD ONE, THERE'S THREE AND TRANSIT ROAD IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BUSIEST ROADS IN ERIE COUNTY.
ARE YOU, WHEN ARE YOU THINKING THE PEAK HOURS ARE GONNA BE FOR THIS STARBUCKS? IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME HOURS, THE PEAK HOURS.
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AND NINE IN THE MORNING.THAT'S WHEN STARBUCKS IS, ITS BUSIEST.
SO WE EXCEED THE MAXIMUM STACK BY THREE CARS.
BESIDES THAT THE, THE PROJECT, LET, LET ME JUST QUALIFY.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU EXCEED THE MAXIMUM? YES.
THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT YOU USED COMING UP WITH WITH 12, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO NATIONAL STANDARD THERE.
SO WE ACTUALLY COUNTED THE LOCAL ONES.
THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A NUMBER OF 10 THEY NEED.
AND WE HAVE, WE MUST OWN A HUNDRED STARBUCKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND WE GENERAL FEELING IS WE'RE GONNA GET THEM MORE THAN 10.
DID YOU DO THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN? WE DID THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN ALSO.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I GO THROUGH THERE, THAT CURB LANE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING IS BACKED UP TO THE CORNER.
SO WE DID THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WE DID THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD AND WE DID THE ONE ON TRANSIT.
SO THE ONE ON CAMP ROAD, HOW MANY STACKING SPOTS ARE THERE FOR THAT ONE? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE, BUT THEIR MAXIMUM STACK DURING THE PEAK TIME ON CAMP ROAD WAS 12 AND THEY COUNTED IT ON TWO SEPARATE TIMES.
THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE GOT THE 12 FROM.
AND ON THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THE MAXIMUM STACK WAS ALSO 12.
HOW MANY SPOT, HOW MANY, IF IF YOU WERE SAYING I CAN STACK THIS MANY CARS, BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
YOU DUNNO HOW MANY THEY'RE CAPABLE OF STACKING.
NO, THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE CAPABLE OF STACKING 12 BECAUSE STARBUCKS OLD NUMBER USED TO BE SEVEN.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING.
SO PRE COVID, SO WHAT, SO ALL THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T COUNT JUST WHAT'S IN THE STACK.
THEY COUNTED ALL THE CARS BACK.
SO IF THE CARS STACKED INTO THE ROAD, THEY COUNTED AS THE STACK.
SO THEY COUNTED WHEREVER IT ENDED, THEY TOOK THOSE CARS.
STARBUCKS NATIONAL NUMBER IS 10.
SO IF YOU WANTED ME TO GET THEM FROM STARBUCKS, IT'D BE LESS THAN OUR NUMBER.
SO WE EXCEED BOTH THOSE NUMBERS.
SO WE SEE 10 AND WE SEE 12, WE PROVIDE 15.
UM, AND EVEN IF YOU, IF YOU SAID WE HAD 16, 16 WOULD BE HERE.
RIGHT? SO WE, WE SIGNIFICANTLY SEE THE STACKING REQUIREMENT FOR STARBUCKS.
YOU COUNT POWER THAT ARE OUT INTO THE ROADWAY AS YOU'RE STACKING, THEY COUNT THE LAST CAR ON THE LINE AND WHEREVER IT IS AS PART OF THE STACKING.
SEE THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING STACKING OUT IN THE STREET.
THAT'S HE'S SAYING HE IS MAKING ROOM FOR THAT.
WHAT THE QUESTION IS IF, IS THAT ENOUGH ROOM? BECAUSE IF THE CARS ARE STACKED OUT INTO THE STREET, THE 13TH CAR MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE LINE OR YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE COUNTED THE 13 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE IN THE LINE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE ROAD AS, AS I SAID, WE HAVE 15, RIGHT? 16.
IF I, IF I TOSS THE OTHER CAR IN, IT WOULD BE 16.
IT EXCEEDS ALL THE SECTOR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY STACK TRANSIT COULD STACK ALL THOSE CARS.
THE ONE TRANSIT LOCATION WE OWN, THEY ALL STACK IT IN THE PLAZA AND THEY ONLY STACKED, UM, TRANSIT STACKED, WHICH IS BUSY.
SO, AND THEN NONE OF THAT'S ON THE ROAD.
PEOPLE JUST LINE UP WITHIN THE PLAZA TRANSIT.
SO YOU SAID IF YOU THROW IN THE OTHER CAR, YOU GET 16.
ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S ROOM FOR 16 THERE? YEP.
SO IT'D BE COMING IN RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S BEFORE YOU WOULD NOT STILL NOT BE PARTIALLY LOCKED.
IT STILL WOULD, YOU WOULDN'T BE IN THE OUT INTO THE WEGMAN'S CROSS ACCESS.
YOU'D STILL BE ON THE STARBUCKS PART OF THE PROPERTY.
WE MOVED THE WAY YOU, YOU EXPLAINED BEFORE HOW THEY GO IN NOW WHERE THEY GO, THEY MOVE THROUGH, THEY GO.
SO THEY, THEY COME IN HERE, RIGHT? THERE ARE TWO STACKING LANES, CORRECT.
SO THEY CAN PULL UP TO EITHER LANE, CORRECT.
THERE'S A UM, ORDERING STATION HERE AND AN ORDERING STATION HERE.
AND THEN THEY WILL MERGE INTO THE SINGLE LINE.
THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE PICKUP WINDOW IS HERE AND THEN THEY'RE OUT THE CAR, OUT THE FRONT.
SO THEY EXIT AND EXITS OUT THIS WAY.
YOU CAN EITHER GO HERE, HERE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, NOT THAT WAY.
AND WE DID PROVIDE A BYPASS LANE.
SO IF ANYONE DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA WAIT IN A CAR OF 16 STACKS, THEY CAN JUST GO RIGHT.
IF THEY GO, IF THEY GO THE OTHER WAY, IS THERE A LIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER WAY? A LIGHT, A STREET LIGHT.
A STREET LIGHT THIS WAY? YEAH.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT IS YOU, IF THEY PULL OUT OF THERE RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT.
DRIVEWAY TO GET INTO THE LIGHT.
I OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT THAT, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO THE STACKING, INSTEAD OF GOING TOWARDS WEGMANS, TOWARDS POPEYE'S, WEGMANS AND THEN THAT HARD RIGHT INTO THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO WEGMANS.
BUT IF YOU GO OUT TO THE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU TO REPEAT TO THE RIGHT IF GOING TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S AN EXIT, I SEE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT INTERFERING.
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SO IF YOU MAKE THAT LEFT, THEY'LL JUST MADE A POINT THAT IF THE STACKIN WENT THE OTHER WAY, IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS CONGESTION.WELL IT IT WOULD BETTER BE THE SAME THEN YOU'RE STACKING TOWARDS THE SIGNAL.
WE WANTED TO KEEP ANY STACK AWAY FROM THE SIGNAL AND YOU HAVE EVERYONE EXITING IF EVERYONE EXITING INTO THIS DRIVEWAY.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW, THIS KEEPS IT OPEN, IT COMES OUT, IT GOES RIGHT OUT THIS DIRECTION.
IF YOU FLIP IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, THERE'S TWO EXITS.
THERE'S THE ONE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING AND THE ONE FARTHER.
FARTHER THAN, SO, SO YOU FLIPPED IT, THERE'D BE ONE CLOSER TO WEGMANS ONE, THERE'D BE ONE SAFE SPOT THERE.
YOU'D BE SENDING A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC OUT TO THIS DRIVEWAY.
WE DIDN'T WANNA SEND TRAFFIC, BUT SOMEONE WOULD BE THE OTHER PLACE DESPITE MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME OUT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK IN THIS DIRECTION.
THEY'RE GONNA RIGHT TO THE SIGNAL THAT THAT WAS THE GOAL.
WHEN YOU'RE COMING TO GET YOUR COFFEE, YOU'RE GONNA COME IN, YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT, YOU GO BACK RIGHT OUT TO THE SIGNAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE TRAFFIC FLOW WITH THE PLAZA AND WITH 16 STALLS, I MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKING GONNA BLOCK ANYONE UP.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE EXCEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, STAFF REQUIREMENT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GO BY THE NUMBERS.
YOU ACTUALLY COUNT AND WE EXCEEDED.
WE DIDN'T JUST DO 12, WHICH WAS THE MAXIMUM.
WE MADE SURE WE EXCEEDED THAT.
SO THAT ENTRANCE POINT RIGHT THERE WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT TURN, DOES THAT EXIST NOW? OR IS THAT THIS ONE? YEAH.
UH, ONTO SO RIGHT THERE THAT THIS EXISTS, THAT EXISTS YEAH'S THE WE IT'S THE WEGMANS.
YOU CAN SEE NOW THIS SO YOU IF YOU GO OUT YEAH, IF YOU, YOU, YEAH, I JUST, I I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
I JUST CAN'T PICTURE THAT ENTRANCE INTO THAT.
SO THE, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD YOU PULL IN FROM UH, MCKINLEY.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING AWAY, IT'S RIGHT TOWARD THE TOP OF THE HILL.
YOU HANG RIGHT THERE IN THAT, IN THAT PLACE.
SO IT'S LIKE RIGHT ACROSS TJ MAX.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU GO BEHIND IT.
YOU CAN GO BEHIND THE, SO THEORETICALLY IF YOU GET THE 16TH CAR YEAH.
UM, THEN THAT LIKE KIND OF OVERFLOW PARKING NEXT TO THE DRIVE THROUGH IS NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE.
THAT THAT CAR WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD COME OUT TO THE STRIP THAT YOU SEE THE LENGTH OF THE CARS.
YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE OVERFLOW PARKING.
UM, I THINK I ASKED YOUR LAST MEETING.
SO WE DO YOU HAVE INSIDE SEAT? WHERE DO I HAVE INSIDES? HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE I THINK WE HAVE, THE NUMBERS AREN'T ON THERE.
I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 45 INSIDE SEATS.
AND THEN AFTER A PATIO THAT IS USED, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OF THE YEAR ABOUT WHERE IS, UH, DOES HE LEAVE? OH, THERE YOU GET A LOOK AT.
YEAH, THERE'S PARKING LOT TRAFFIC FULL ISSUES.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA WANT YOUR OPINION ON IT.
SO WHEN DOES TRAFFIC SAFETY NEXT MEET OR WHEN WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF? OH, THE NEXT MEETING IS THIS THUR, UH, NEXT THURSDAY.
SO I'LL BE ABLE, UH, SARAH GAVE ME THE SITE PLAN, SO, OKAY.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO OVER THAT NEXT THURSDAY.
UM, IF I COULD ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
UH, WHAT IS ON THE MENU OF THAN COFFEE? UH, THE SAME AS EVERY STARBUCKS BAKED GOODS.
I MEAN, NOTHING THAT'S, THEY'RE NOTHING ERROR.
THEY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF THINGS.
I'M NOT A HUGE STARBUCKS PERSON.
SO WHAT IS THIS, WHAT IS THE WAIT TIME? UH, ONCE YOU ORDER, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STARBUCKS WAIT, WAIT TIME BASICALLY.
OF COURSE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAKE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COFFEE.
THE WAIT TIME IS LIKE TIM HOR IF YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO MAKE A LATTE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS MODEL HAS CHANGED SINCE COVID BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW AND YOU'RE SEEING PRE-ORDERING AND YOU COME UP TO THE LINE AND YOU JUST SAY, MY WIFE DOES PICK UP ORDER FROM MELISSA AND THE COFFEE'S ALREADY MADE.
SO THEIR WAIT TIME IS A LOT QUICKER THAN IT HAS BEEN.
AND THERE ALSO IS A LOT OF THE REASON WE HAVE THE PARKING FIELD UP HERE AND THE CROSSWALK IS A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW JUST PARK AND WALK IN AND PICK THEIR ORDERS UP RIGHT AT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH STARBUCKS, IF YOU GOT ANY OF THEM, THERE'S A LITTLE AREA WHERE YOU, YOU PRE-ORDER AND YOU JUST PICK UP YOUR DRINKS.
SO TO START, IT'S NOT, A LOT OF THE COFFEE'S NOW NOT BEING MADE.
UM, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER PICKED UP A DRINK FROM MY WIFE WHERE SHE'S ASKED FOR IT AT THE WINDOW.
ALL SHE DOES IS SAY PICK UP ORDER AND WE DRIVE THROUGH AND PICK IT UP.
SO THE LINES ARE MOVING RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
WELL, YOU, YOU GOT ONE ON THE OTHER END.
THAT PLAZA THAT'S A DOOR AND SIT DOWN.
THEY, THEY'RE, IT'S ANOTHER STARBUCKS.
I WOULD STARBUCKS ARE ALL GONNA REQUIRE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
IT DOESN'T, NOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T STAYING OPEN WHEN THIS ONE GOES.
I, AND THEY'RE REMODELING NOW 'CAUSE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS, BUT THEY'RE REOPEN SO THAT ONE'S NOT OURS.
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OH, THAT'S NOT YOUR PLAZA EITHER.I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR STARBUCKS.
HOW MUCH PARKING ARE YOU TAKING AWAY FROM THE, UH, SORT OF OVERALL? I CAN, I'LL HAVE TO GET YOU THAT NUMBER.
IT'S UM, ABOUT, WE GOT, UM, 13, NINE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, 22.
WE PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER 22 AND ANOTHER 20 PROBABLY OVER FOUR STALLS.
CAN THAT, CAN THAT PARKING LOT SORT OF DEAL WITH THAT REDUCTION.
WE GAVE YOU A PARKING ANALYSIS FROM THE ENGINEER, WHICH ANALYZE ALL THE USES ON THE SITE.
AND THE CONCLUSION IS THERE'S MORE THAN SWITCH OF PARKING FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S ALSO IN THE MATERIALS WE GAVE YOU.
SO WE HAD THAT THE FIRST ROUND.
WHERE'S THE PARKING FOR, FOR THE INSIDE PATRIOT STILL HERE.
SO THEN GOT AND HERE AND HERE WE HAVE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
BY THE FIRST ROUND YOU MADE TWO WEEKS AGO.
I JUST, I WASN'T WERE YOU SET TO THE EXIT? IS THAT JUST AN EXIT OR CAN WE ENTER ALSO WHERE BY THIS END, THE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IN HERE.
SO YOU CAN CIRCLE THROUGH THIS PARK.
I MEAN YOU COULD PARK, BUT YOU COULD ENTER YOUR PARK.
LIKE YOU SAID, WALK IN AND GO GET COFFEE AND COME BACK, WALK.
YOU SAID IT WAS A CROSSWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS.
IT'S A CROSSWALK HERE, RIGHT TO THAT PARKING LOT.
THERE'S A CROSSWALK HERE TO THIS PARKING LOT.
THERE'S A CROSSWALK HERE TO THE OTHER STACKING, AND THEN THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN YOU ENTER THAT AREA, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN TRAFFIC.
I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, SUGGESTING THAT A SIDE ADDITION OF A SIDEWALK ALONG, UM, MCKINLEY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STARBUCKS, UM, MIGHT BE A, A HELPFUL ADDITION TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO THE STARBUCKS AND ALSO IMPROVE THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE, OF THE THOROUGHFARE.
I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON MCKINLEY ITSELF, I DON'T THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A SIDEWALK INSIDE, INSIDE, INSIDE THE MEAN, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE OF THE PLAZA AREA.
'CAUSE HE SAID FROM HERE UP TO MILE STRIP, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I THINK HE WAS DEFINITELY, WHEN I READ IT, I DEFINITELY SAID, YOU DON'T NEED SIDEWALK DRIP.
IT'S GOT P IN INSIDE THE PLAZA.
SO HE WOULDN'T PUT SIDEWALK THERE.
BUT A SIDEWALK ALONG MCKINLEY ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE AT.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT TO.
SO THAT'S MORE A, IF YOU DON'T, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T ADD SIDEWALKS, THEN IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE.
SO I MEAN WE, WE'VE CONSIDERED A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WHERE WE SAID, HEY, LET'S GET THE SIDEWALK IN WHERE WE CAN BECAUSE THE NEXT PROJECT THAT'S GONNA COME, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LINK IT UP AND INCREASE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
WHEN THE OTHER STARBUCKS CLOSES, THEY MAY COME IN FRONT OF US WITH SOMETHING ELSE AND WE'LL SAY, HEY, NOW THERE'S A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO.
NOW IT GOES FROM WEGMANS TO, TO, UH, MILE STRIP.
BUT SEE THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING AT, THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS THERE NOW.
AND IT'S ALL WITHIN THE PLAZA.
SO IF YOU WANNA WALK FROM ONE END OF THE PLAZA TO THE OTHER, YOU CAN'T, UH, I DON'T THINK.
RIGHT IN MY MIND, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALKS ON PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPING FOR SECOND WANT THE OVERALL ONE.
HERE, HERE'S THE OUTSIDE COURT.
THAT'S WHERE THE, THE GUY WHO, RIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THEY GO ON THE SIDEWALK.
BUT THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE TO, TO BUILD THERE? YEAH.
IS IT THE SAME YOU OWN? IS IT THE SAME PARCEL? DO YOU OWN THAT OWN? NO, WE, WE DON'T OWN THAT.
UM, OFF OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS THE RED LINE RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT THAT'S OFF OUR, OFF OUR PROPERTY.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE GOT THAT CAMP ROAD STARBUCKS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONE OF YOURS OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS PROPOSED AND IT WASN'T DISCLOSED WHAT THE RESTAURANT WAS GONNA BE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN THAT WAS DISCUSSED THAT HASN'T GOTTEN THAT CONSIDERABLE, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF GRIEF FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE STACKING PROBLEMS AT THAT LOCATION.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BASICALLY
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WE HAVE TO GO BY FACTS.AND THE FACTS ARE WE, WE PURPOSELY, SINCE LAST TIME WE'RE HERE, YOU SAID, CAN YOU GIVE US ACTUAL NUMBERS? RIGHT.
FOR THE STARBUCKS, I PAID AN ENGINEER TO STUDY THREE OF THE BUSIEST STARBUCKS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
IT'S THAT, AND THEN WE EXCEEDED THOSE NUMBERS.
SO I DIDN'T JUST SAY, WE'LL JUST PUT 12 ON SO IT WORKS.
I SAID, LET'S GIVE US THREE OR FOUR EXTRA SPOTS SO WE'RE SURE WE'RE OKAY.
BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE IT WAS, I I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK EVEN US CAN ARGUE THAT, THAT THE WAY THAT WORKS BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE AT THAT LOCATION WAS A GOOD IDEA.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT STARBUCKS WAS BUILT WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEIR REQUIREMENT WAS SEVEN BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT USED TO BE THEIR, THEIR NATIONAL REQUIREMENT.
WHEN WE WERE BUILDING STARBUCKS WHEN I FIRST STARTED VEN 15 YEARS AGO, AND YOU ASKED THEM FOR THE REQUIREMENT WAS SEVEN AND THEY HAVE 12.
AND I WAS SAYING THE REQUIREMENT'S 10 AND YOU'RE GONNA GET 15.
OUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT IT CAN GO UP WELL, BUT YOU STILL MIGHT HAVE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT THE, THE ACTUAL FACTS ARE.
AND THE ACTUAL FACTS ARE THAT THOSE ARE THE FACTS.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM BUT WE DON'T HOW WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANNA ASK TODAY? DID I ASK, WAS THAT JUST THOSE THE TIME PERIOD WAS UP JUST SEVEN, NINE? OR WAS THERE ANOTHER STUDY DONE OR JUST SEVEN? NINE.
THEIR, THEIR AFTERNOON IS NOT THEIR BUSY TIME AND THEY'RE MOSTLY DEADLY EVENING BECAUSE THERE ARE IMPORTANCE AROUND HERE THAT AT NOON TIME LINES ARE YEAH, STARBUCKS PEAK IS SEVEN 9:00 AM THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR NATIONAL, THAT'S THEIR BIGGEST TIME.
OF COURSE YOU CAN GET LUNCH AT TIM HORTONS TOO.
IS THAT THEIR TIME? IS THAT THEIR TIME SEASONAL OR IS IT YOUR YEAR AROUND IS SEVEN TO NINE.
CAN WE FIGURE OUT LIKE IF IT WAS, ITS IMPORTANT, BUT, 'CAUSE TIM HORTONS HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE DOT RULES, WHAT THE STACKING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR TIM HORTON'S AT THAT SPOT.
JUST HAVE A NUMBER TO COMPARE IT TO.
UM, STACKING DOES ON
BUT TIM, TIM HORTON'S HAS SEPARATE DOT RULES.
SO, AND, AND DOT DIDN'T APPROVE THE LAST ONE.
WE HAD HUNDRED PERCENT SOUTHWEST, WE ASKED FOR A
THEY DID GIVE US A NUMBER BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THEM BACKTRACKING, STACKING AND GOING INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THAT DEER SPRINGS.
SO, SO OUR, OUR BIGGEST QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING? UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, TRAFFIC SAFETY'S GONNA HAVE INFORMATION FOR US BEFORE THE APRIL 20TH MEETING, OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME? I'LL MEET ON THE 16TH.
SO, UM, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THAT POINT, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SHARE, UH, BEFORE, UH, ALRIGHT.
BEFORE OUR, DID THEY GET EVERYTHING WE SUBMITTED SARAH TRAFFIC SAFETY? HE HAD NO, I HE DOESN'T HAVE WHAT YOU SUBMITTED TODAY.
SO I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S ALSO PARKING SETTING AND
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THIS ELECTRONICALLY RECORD, SIR.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT.
MCKINLEY STARBUCKS FOR MAY 4TH BECAUSE IF YOUR MEETING'S ON THURSDAY, WE USUALLY LIKE TO GET OUR INFORMATION BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE, WHICH WILL ONLY GIVE YOU ONE DAY.
SO, SO WE'LL SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 4TH.
UM, RANDY SCH, WHO OWNS A BUNCH OF TIM HORTONS AROUND HERE SAID THAT, UM, TYPICALLY IT'S 20 SPOTS FOR TIM HORTON.
NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MOST TOWNS REQUIRE OR HAVE 20 PARKING SPOTS OR 20 STACK STACK.
DOES DOES HE SAID, HE SAID TIM HORTON DOES NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT AND REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED, UH, 9,150 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A 2,250 SQUARE FOOT COFFEE SHOP WITH DRIVE THROUGH TO BE LOCATED AT 6,000 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
SO THIS WAS THE PLAN WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME?
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YEP.UM, IT'S THE BUILDING, IT'S THE DRIVE THROUGH DUMPSTER LOCATION, SMALL GREEN ISLAND.
UM, WE DID TAKE THE OLD, THE FRIENDLIES.
THAT IS THE OLD FRIENDLIES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE KNOCKING DOWN.
UM, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE PLAN.
UM, WE ADDED, UM, A DOUBLE DRIVE-THROUGH IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO NOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, 15 CARS IN THE BACK BEFORE WE COULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, ABOUT 10 CARS.
SO WE, AFTER WE GOT THE STACKING NUMBERS, WE REDESIGNED THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
AND AGAIN, EVEN IF 15 WE EXCEED THE PARKING STACKING REQUIREMENT, SAME ISSUE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
UM, WE ADDED A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK TO HIT THE SIDEWALK IN THIS AREA.
WE LOOKED AT MOVING THE BUILDING FORWARD.
STARBUCKS DOES REQUIRE TWO ROWS OF PARKING.
AND THE DIFFICULTY IS THERE'S A BIG HOT BOX OVER HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE WATER LINES ARE.
THAT'S A, AN OBJECT WE CAN'T MOVE TO DRIVE THIS FORWARD.
UM, THOSE ARE THE BASIC CHANGES TO THE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE, WE ALL REDEMPTIONS TOGETHER.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S A GREEN ISLAND SEPARATING THEM SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT COMMENT THAT STARBUCKS REQUIRES TWO ROWS OF PARKING? TWO, TWO ROWS OF PARKING IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE PLAN YOU JUST SAW.
THEY HAVE TWO ROWS, WHICH WAS STACKED.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, UH, THIS IS THIS PARCELS IN A GATEWAY AREA MM-HMM
THE TOWN'S CURRENTLY WORKING WITH.
SO, UM, IF HE HASN'T ALREADY, ED FLYNN FROM THE BELLA ASSOCIATES YEAH.
IS GONNA TRY AND SET UP A MEETING, UH, WITH YOU AND THE OTHER OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES NEAR THERE, UM, TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE STREETSCAPES THAT THEY'RE THINKING.
SO THE PATH THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WOULD START AT THE SOUTH, SOUTH, SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE OTHER CORNER.
SO SOUTHEAST, MAYBE THIS IS SOUTH, NORTH IS ON THIS SIDE.
SO SOUTH, RIGHT SOUTH BEHIND GATES.
THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD KIND OF COME IN.
UM, AND GO TO THE PROPERTY THAT BORDERS THIS ON THE NORTH WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN EASEMENT AND IT WOULD PICK UP THE EASEMENT, UH, TO SOME OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN.
SO THEY WANNA COME THROUGH THE BACK.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHERE THEY COME THROUGH.
THEY WOULD COME IN AT THE BACK WHERE THEY GO OUT.
AS LONG AS IT'S ON THAT SIDE I THINK WOULD BE FINE.
UM, THE BACK COULD BE OKAY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT'S, WE COULD, WE COULD WORK WITH HIM ON THAT.
I I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY WANTED TO COME IN.
BUT THAT'S COMPLETELY DOABLE TO WORK CAN COME IN AT THAT CORNER AND THEY WANT TO GET OVER HERE AND THEY WANT TO GET OVER THERE.
WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
JUST HAVE HIM REACH OUT TO ME.
SO THERE OUTDOOR SEATING AT THIS ONE.
THERE IS ALWAYS A PATIO AT STARBUCKS.
I THOUGHT SO I THINK THE THING WITH THIS ONE IS YOU WANT IT TO BE MULTIMODAL FRIENDLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE AND THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AND THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE BIG DEAD PLAZAS THAT I'D LOVE TO SEE BE A LITTLE MORE SO, AND THIS NICER TO LOOK AT.
WE DO A REALLY NICE JOB WITH THE LANDSCAPING, SO, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM ON ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
ALL WHATEVER TIES INTO YOUR STREET FRONT.
WE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DOING THAT.
AND THEY, THEY DID STUFF TO THE VILLAGE.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT SOME THINGS ALREADY AND I KNOW THE TOWN STUFF'S NOT GONNA BE DONE IN A TIMELINE THAT REALLY WORKS OUT WITH THIS.
BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO, IF THEY GIVE US WHAT THEY'RE USING, WE CAN, WHEN WE DO THIS, JUST ADD, PUT IT HERE SO WE CAN CATCH UP.
IT'LL JUST EXACTLY FIT RIGHT IN.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
UM, THE ENGINEERING PLANS WE SEND, WE'LL HAVE BIKE RACKS, UM, THAT WAY YOU HAVE BIKE, YOU HAVE WALKING AND YOU HAVE DRIVING AND UM, THERE'S A, IF YOU, I DIDN'T COVER THIS YET WITH THE DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH OVER THE SYSTEM FROM OUR GREEN SPACE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THIS PO LOOKS LIKE NOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ISLANDS OR ANYTHING.
WE DID, WE LOOKED AT THE ISLANDS IN THIS AREA WITH THE GREEN SPACE IN HERE, ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE AND WE CAN PUT SOME PLANTERS IN.
BUT UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE CONCEPT OF THE DOUBLE STACK.
BECAUSE WE WANTED MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE COUNTED WE REALIZED WE ONLY HAD 10, WE MADE SURE WE HAD AN EXTRA ROW.
WELL THIS ONE'S MORE SPACIOUS AND MORE INGRESS RE SO IT'S LESS.
AND IT LESS AND IT'S LESS COMPLICATED TO BE YEAH.
AND ANYONE WHO STACKED IN, YOU'RE STACKED PAST 15 COMPLETELY WITHIN THIS PLAZA.
YOU WOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE ELSE.
IF YOU HAD ME, YOU WOULD GO THERE TOMORROW AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, YOU COULD STACK 600.
YOU COULD STACK A LOT OF CAR, LOT OF CARS HERE.
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SARAH, I I HAVE MY ON MY NOTES COORDINATED REVIEW.DID WE MISS AUTHORIZING THAT FOR THE LAST ONE? FOR UH, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ONE FOR THE LAST ONE.
BECAUSE IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION.
THIS ONE IS ON LISTED NEW COORDINATED REVIEW.
SO THIS, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE VILLAGE AT THE VERY LEAST.
THIS IS 2000 OF 9,000 FEET, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO WE ONLY KNOW WHAT ONE TENANT OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE THUS FAR.
CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE ONE TENANT IN THE BUILDING.
AND IT WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH.
YOU FIT ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH ON IT, RIGHT.
THAT THE REST OF THE BUILDING'S EITHER GONNA BE SOME SORT OF A RETAIL SPACE OR SOME SORT OF RESTAURANT YOU SIT IN.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY TENANT RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD RAISE VERY MUCH THE SEGMENTATION OR OTHER IMPACT THE ARE SO BIG.
THE, THE THING THAT THE VILLAGE IS GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE GATEWAY AREA AND HOW IT FITS IN WITH THEIR AESTHETIC.
IT'S NOT A REAL 2:39 AM NIGHT 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE BORDER OR TO THE ROAD THAT YOU WOULD NEED.
I DID A 2:39 AM JUST TO OH YOU DID? OKAY, GREAT.
YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE ROAD.
I MEAN THIS ISN'T THE VILLAGE, THIS BUILDING HERE, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY PARCEL LAND BETWEEN THAT ONE AND THE VILLAGE.
SO YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON THE GATEWAY.
SO IF AS SOON AS HE GIVES ME A CALL WE'LL CAN SIT DOWN HIM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I, I TOLD HIM I PUT THIS ON FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, SO HAVE TIME TO CALL YOU.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DO THE COORDINATOR REVIEW FOR THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT SOUTH PARK STARBUCKS AND TABLE THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT SOUTH PARK STARBUCKS TO MAY 4TH.
IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
AND THIS IS OUR LAST PROJECT IN THE EVENING, THE CHASE BANK.
UM, THE BOARD REMEMBERS WHEN I GOT THIS SITE ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
THERE WAS ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET UP THE FRONT.
OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
UH, NEXT ITEM WITH THE AGENDA IS BEN AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED NEW BANK BUILDING TO DRIVE UP AT T BE LOCATED AT 4 2 5 0 MC KING PARKWAY.
AND ALRIGHT, WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN I JOINED THIS PROJECT APPROVED.
WE HAD ABOUT A 10 OR 11,000 SQUARE PHARMACY UP FRONT AND WE NOW HAVE A MUCH SMALLER CHASE BANK.
WE'RE ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
I JUST WANNA REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION.
WE HAD THE DRIVEWAY COMING RIGHT AT WITH THE GAS PUMPS AND THEN THE ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE HAD NO LANDSCAPING UP FRONT AND THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY NOT THAT GOOD LOOKING.
UM, SINCE WE WERE AWAY, WE CAME BACK AND WORKED ON REDESIGN THE PLAN AND WHAT WE DID IS WE SHIFTED THIS DRIVEWAY SO IT'S OUTSIDE THE GAS PUMPS.
SO BEFORE WHEN YOU COULD COME RIGHT IN RIGHT LOOSE, WE PUSHED THE DRIVEWAY.
SO YOU ENTER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GAS PUMPS SO YOU'RE NOT, NOT IMPACTING THE GAS PUMPS.
WE LEFT THE EXIT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT ALREADY WENT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GAS PUMPS AND GO DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HYDRO SEED THE ENTIRE AREA HERE, CREATED LANDSCAPE VIOLINS UP FRONT BY THE CORNER.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT MORE ROBUST THAN IT DOES NOW.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, THERE IS PLANTING ALONG BOTH STREET LINES, BUT WE'RE GONNA, UM, LANDSCAPE THE FRONT CORNER OF IT TO GIVE IT A MORE ATTRACTIVE LOOK.
I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A LANDSCAPE VIGNETTE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE BEDS WERE GONNA BE.
SO I THINK THOSE WERE THE COMMENTS.
ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT, TAKING CARE OF THIS AREA OVER HERE AND MOVING THE DRIVEWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THIS ONE? I, I WASN'T HERE.
SO WHEN, WHEN THEY EXIT, THEY CAN EITHER GO THROUGH WHERE THE OVER HERE, RIGHT OUT TO SOUTHWESTERN.
OH YEAH, THAT'S THE LIGHT THERE, RIGHT? YEP, THAT'S THE LIGHT.
AND THE OTHER WAY THEY CAN GO OUT BY TIM HORTON'S.
THEY COULD GO, THEY COULD GO OUT BY TIM HORTON'S.
SO THAT WAY THEY DO LOTS, THEY GO TOPS.
I MEAN I, SOME PEOPLE GO TO THE BANK AND THEN THEY GO GROCERY.
I MEAN THERE'S LOTS OF AREAS YOU CAN GO.
ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU'RE OUT HERE, PEOPLE COULD COME DOWN AND GO TO THE FRONT TOPS.
THEY COULD GO OVER TO TIM HORTON'S GAS STATION THERE TOO.
UM, THE TOPS GAS STATIONS RIGHT FRONT.
THAT'S WHY WE MOVED THAT DRIVEWAY.
INSTEAD OF COMING RIGHT INTO THE GAS PUMPS, I WAS OVER THERE THIS WEEKEND AND YOU NOT WANT TO COME RIGHT INTO THE GAS PUMPS.
SO YOU DID NOT HAVE THAT CONFLICT? YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
WHY WOULD YOU BE GOING THROUGH THEIR, THEIR
AND UM, I DO THINK THAT INTERSECTION
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IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE AND YOU'RE HEADED INTO, YOU'RE HEADED INTO THAT KIND OF BOULEVARD LOOKING STRETCH OF MCKINLEY PARKWAY.SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA DEVOTE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVOTE RESOURCES TO BEAUTIFYING THAT CORNER, YOU KNOW, ADDING, ADDING, UH, LANDSCAPING.
UM, SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL BE LOOKING WHAT KIND OF SIGN YOU HERE WE HAVE, THEY HAD NO ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE PROCESS.
WE HAVE THE TWO PYLON SIGNS ON EITHER SIDE.
THE ONLY, YOU'LL SEE THE CHASE BUILDING SIGN ON, ON THE, ON THE, OH ON THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FREESTANDING SIGNS OF PYLON SIGNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
CHASE, DID YOU? I DON'T THINK I HAVE HARD COPIES OF THE REVISED BANK PLAN.
YEAH, WE, BECAUSE WE JUST FINISHED THIS THIS MORNING, SO I I WAS HOPING I DO HAVE IT VIA EMAIL.
AND IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, BUT I DON'T HAVE HARD, SO I WILL GET YOU, UM, THIS IS NOT THE ENGINEERED PLAN.
WE JUST FINISHED AFTER DEALING WITH CHASE ABOUT REAL IN THE DRIVEWAY.
WE GOT TO IT THIS MORNING, SO THEY AGREED TO THAT.
SO WE ARE GONNA ENGINEER THAT.
WE AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW ON THIS ONE EITHER.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON? SO I, I CAN DO, I THINK WE CAN DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 20TH, BUT YOU'RE HERE ON THE OTHER TWO, THE FOURTH WORK ON MAY ON THE FOURTH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST, WE, WE'LL SKIP NEXT TIME AND DO THE FOURTH.
SO I ALWAYS MAKE, I'M DOING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PLAZA, RIGHT? TOWN HALL PLAZA YET? NO, NO.
THAT ONE I DID NOT SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, EXCUSE ME.
UH, THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT CHASE BANK FOR MAY 4TH.
MAY MR. CLARK SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
SO WE'RE PUTTING ALL THREE PROJECTS ON, SO, SO, SO, SO KEEPING THE COUNT.
WE'VE GOT FOUR THINGS FOR THE FOURTH AND ONLY ONE THING I RECORD RIGHT NOW.
THAT THAT'LL CHANGE FOR FEW SECONDS.
NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS OAK VALE HOMES AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED COMMERCIAL EDITION TO SHIRTS.
UM, AS A REMINDER, MY NAME IS NICK, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF OAKVILLE CAA, MY BUSINESS PARTNER.
UM, WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST WE, WE DISCUSSED OUR PLANS FOR OUR EDITION.
UH, WE RECEIVED SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACK REGARDING WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY CALLED OUR, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE STORAGE.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW SPECIFICALLY THAT WILL BE USED TO PARK OUR DUMP TRAILER.
SO WE'VE INDICATED THAT ON THE PLAN, UH, COORDINATED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WITH THAT DESIGNATION THERE.
WE ALSO, UH, JUST DETAILED OUT, YOU KNOW, OUR PLANTING ON THE CORNER THERE AS A REMINDER, WE'RE CLOSING OFF OUR CURB CUT ON THAT CORNER THERE.
AND SO WE'VE INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE PLANTERS THAT WE DISCUSSED AS WELL, UM, AND OPEN, THEY DID GET THEIR VARIANCE LAST NIGHT TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I GUESS MIGHT HAVE? WHAT KIND OF SCREENING IS THERE FOR THE NEIGHBOR? ARE THERE NEIGHBORS BEHIND? YEAH, WE'VE GOT, UH, SO WITH THAT UH, DUMP TRAILER PARKING AREA, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIX FOOT FENCE THAT, UH, FACES THE RESIDENTIAL ALONG THIS SIDE AS WELL AS WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD, UM, PLANTING SCREENERS, UH, NATURAL SCREENING, THE VID THAT'S SPECED OUT HERE ALONG THE PARKING AREA TO BLOCK, UM, LIGHTING FROM THE CARS.
AND WILL THAT FENCE BE OPAQUE OR JUST, IT'S GONNA BE OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S JUST HOW WIDE IS THAT, UH, EASEMENT OR THE UH, YEAH, SO THIS, THIS LOT HERE IS, UH, ALSO ZONED C ONE.
IT IS A 40 FOOT LOT THAT'S OWNED BY THE NATIONAL FUEL COMPANY, UH, THAT BUFFERS US FROM THE RES THE NEAREST RESIDENT.
SO THERE'S JUST A GRASS STRIP THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, UH, THAT'S MAINTAINED BY BOTH US, THE NEIGHBOR.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? IT'S JUST ADDITIONS PEN DRY.
UH, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC
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HEARING FOR OAKVILLE HOMES IN DEVELOPMENT FOR APRIL 20TH.AND, UH, WE'LL ALSO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER SEVEN YOU IF, IF YOU WANT.
YEAH, YEAH, NO, I THINK WE, WE DEFINITELY SHOULD.
I THINK IT'S HELPFUL IN ADVANCE.
WE, IN THE PAST IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE THOUGHT OF IT LIKE DREW AND I TELLING YOU, EMAILING YOU AND SAYING WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT US TO DO THAT.
I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMMENTS BY SOME PEOPLE.
I WHAT YOU, ME TO DO ANYWAY?
THAT'S THOUGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO.
NO, I, FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS JOKING BECAUSE WE ARE RECORDING THIS.
THE AGENDA IS ESSEX HOMES OF WESTERN NEW YORK INCORPORATED REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED 22 LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT ON 14 POINT 12 ACRES OF VACANT LAND, NORTH SIDE OF PLEASANT AVENUE.
I'LL TELL YOU, I MET WITH, UM, I, I SENT THE PLAN TO THE VILLAGE THROUGH THE COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS AND I ALSO WENT OVER THERE AND TALKED TO THEM THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE I FORGOT THAT I DID THAT.
SO I WAS BRINGING THEM A PLAN, BUT I HAD ALREADY GIVEN THEM A PLAN.
AND, UM, THE ONLY THING THEY'RE ASKING IS THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT IS ENGINEERED, THEY JUST WANT A COPY OF THE ENGINEERED PLAN TO SEE HOW, HOW, HOW AND WHETHER THE DRAINAGE WILL AFFECT THE, UM, VILLAGE PARK THERE ALL USUALLY WHEN THEY HAVE A, HAVE BIG PROBLEMS WITH SUBDIVISION OR, OR BIG QUESTIONS, THEY INVITE ME TO THEIR READ TO, TO VILLAGE BOARD MEETINGS AND THEY SAID THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE FINE WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO GOOD EVENING SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, ESSEX HOMES OF WEST YORK.
IS THAT WHY JAMES ALSO, ALSO WITH ME IS KEVIN CURRY.
AS THE BOARD RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS INITIALLY DURING YOUR MEETING ON MARCH 2ND.
SO BASICALLY SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON THE 14.2 ACRE SITE, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
UM, WE'VE SUBMITTED A WETLAND PERMIT ALONG WITH A WETLAND EVALUATION.
WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC LETTER PREPARED BY SRF ASSOCIATES.
WE SUBMITTED A NO IMPACT LETTER PREPARED BY SHIPPO.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRESERVING THE 2.7 ACRES IN THE BACK OF THE SITE.
SARAH DID ISSUE A LEAD AGENCY LETTER ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD.
THE ONLY COMMENT LETTER WE'VE RECEIVED BACK TO DATE IS A LETTER FROM THE DEC.
IMPORTANTLY, THEY AGREED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD ACT AS LEAD AGENCY FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION.
THEY HAD FOUR, FOUR SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, THREE OF WHICH ARE VERY STANDARD.
NUMBER ONE INDICATED THAT WE WILL NEED A SPEEDIES PERMIT FROM THE DEC BECAUSE WE'RE DISTURBING MORE THAN ONE ACRE.
WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT REQUIREMENT NUMBER TWO, THEY INDICATED BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION WILL GENERATE MORE THAN 2,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER FLOW PER DAY.
WE'LL NEED TO DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
TECHSMITH RECENTLY COMPLETED THE REQUIRED MONITORING AND CHRIS WOOD WILL BE PROVIDING THAT REPORT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF A DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS IS TO CONFIRM THAT DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS, THEY'RE DEFINED AS A STORM EVENT OF MORE THAN ONE HALF INCH OVER A 25 HOUR PERIOD, 24 HOUR PERIOD THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY.
WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE INI POLICY OF THE DEC THAT APPLIES TO ALL RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT GENERATE MORE THAN 2,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER FLOW PER DAY.
NUMBER THREE, THERE WAS AN INDICATION IN THE DE'S LEAD AGENCY CONCURRENCE LETTER OF THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE BEING WETLANDS ON THE SITE IS I INDICATED WE'VE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION PREPARED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
THE WETLANDS ARE PRIMARILY IN THE BACK WITHIN THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN EXTEND A LITTLE BIT HERE.
AND AS I INDICATED, WE HAVE FILED FOR A NATIONWIDE PERMIT, THE WATER QUALITY CERTIFICATION WITH BOTH THE
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ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE DEC FOR WHAT WE VIEW AS BEING A MINOR WETLAND IMPACT.THE REMAINDER OF THE WETLANDS WILL STAY IN PLACE AND THOSE IN THE BACK OF THE SITE WITHIN THAT 2.7 ACRES WILL BE PERMANENTLY PRESERVED VIA THE RECORDING OF A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
WE THINK IN TERMS OF SEEKER, THIS ONE'S PRETTY CLEAR.
WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND AS I'VE INDICATED SINCE WE WERE HERE NOT THAT LONG AGO, WE'VE DONE ALL THE NECESSARY HOMEWORK.
WE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC LETTER, WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS, GIVEN THAT IT'S ONLY 22 LOTS IN THE PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF SRR ASSOCIATES, THERE WILL BE NO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON PLEASANT AVENUE, WHICH IS A COUNTY ROADWAY.
NUMBER TWO, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THERE WILL NOT BE ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE WETLANDS WETLAND IMPACTS.
NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE THAT IMPACT LETTER ISSUED BY SHIPPO CONFIRMING THIS PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANY PROTECTED CULTURAL RESOURCES, HISTORIC RESOURCES, OR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
AND THEN FINALLY, I DO WANNA NOTE, AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE IN CONNECTION WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WE CERTAINLY ACKNOWLEDGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ONGOING PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW PROCESS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS INCLUDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANS DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE WITH THE STRINGENT STORMWATER QUALITY STANDARDS AND QUANTITY STANDARDS OF THE DEC.
THAT INCLUDES THE NEED TO RETAIN A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT ON SITE.
AS SARAH INDICATED, THE VILLAGE HAS ASKED TO SEE THOSE PLANS.
WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE ACKNOWLEDGING EVEN BEFORE THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN FULLY PREPARED, THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT RESOLVE ANY OFFSITE DRAINAGE IMPACTS ON THE PARK NEXT DOOR OWNED BY THE VILLAGE OR ANY OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I DO WANT TO COME BACK TO THE FOURTH COMMENT FROM THE DEC LETTER INDICATING THAT THIS PROJECT SITE IS ON THE FRINGE OF ERIE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE PREPARED THE AGRICULTURAL DATA STATEMENT, WHICH I'LL BE PROVIDING TO SARAH THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PLANNING FOR A REFERRAL ALONG WITH THE TWO PROPER DOORS WITHIN 500 FEET THAT CURRENTLY UTILIZE THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES.
UH, SO WE WILL BE COMPLYING WITH NEW YORK STATE AG AND MARKETS LAW.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN TERMS OF THAT BEING A POTENTIAL IMPACT.
THIS SITE HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES FOR MANY DECADES.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THAT, IT'S ZONED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
SO WHILE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE NOTED IN THE RECORD, CLEARLY NOT A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS JUNCTURE, WE'RE ASKING TO CONSIDER TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PENDING REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL DURING YOUR FIRST MEETING IN MAY.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, DESPITE OUR EFFORTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SIX WEEKS, PROVIDE YOU WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE RELATIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER, WE WOULD WELCOME ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY ASK TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT RELATIVE TO INFORMATION YOU WOULD NEED TO ULTIMATELY ISSUE THE SEEKER DETERMINATION.
AND OF COURSE, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, A RELATIVELY SMALL SUBDIVISION, WE ULTIMATELY THINK THE ISSUANCE OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS STRONGLY JUSTIFIED AT A FUTURE MEETING.
IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL.
A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION SINCE WE WERE HERE IN EARLY MARCH.
AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME THE CHANCE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, SO THIS, THIS IS A CUL-DE-SAC YOU PLANNING ON REQUESTING THAT THIS BECOME A PUBLIC ROAD OR, WELL, I GUESS WHETHER, WHETHER YOU'RE PLANNING TO OR NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES RELATING TO CUL-DE-SACS AND, AND PLOWING.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT A CUL-DE-SAC REMAIN A PRIVATE ROAD.
SO JUST AS YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD IS ULTIMATELY A TOWN BOARD'S DECISION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACCEPT THE ROADS.
BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE OF PHILOSOPHY ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE ACTUALLY HAD THE TOWN EXCEPT A CUL-DE-SAC EITHER, BUT WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.
I I, I GUESS MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT CHAIRMAN CLARK, AND I DON'T THINK IT DEALS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
IT IS DESIGNED TO BE A PUBLIC ROADWAY.
AND THE DOWNSIDE FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE, IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, WE OBVIOUSLY ALL KNOW WHAT THE TRADE OFF IS.
IT WILL BE CONDO, WHICH THEN RESULTS IN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TAXES.
THEY, THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
AND IN FACT, IN HAMBURG THERE'S EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO CONDO.
I DO GOTTA GIVE CREDIT TO ESSEX.
THEY'VE MADE A COMMITMENT IN WRITING, CAN WE CHANGE YOUR LAW IN WHICH TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN IT HAPPENED? RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
BUT IF IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE BE CONDO.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT I THINK THERE ARE COUNTLESS CUL-DE-SACS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED THERE, THERE DEF THERE
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DEFINITELY ARE.THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH WHAT'S KNOWN AS APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE COACH, MEANING THE END OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC CAN ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL BUSES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AND THEN OF COURSE SNOWPLOWING ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING WHEN NOPA HAVE TO GO AROUND THE END.
WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, IT'S AN HOA.
I JUST, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO FORM AN HOA BECAUSE THE TOWN REQUIRES THAT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP OF THE STORMWATER AREA.
THE HOA KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT'S JUST AN EXPENSE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
IT DOESN'T COME WITH ANY TAX BENEFITS.
WHEN YOU DO CONDO PURSUANT TO STATE LAW, YOU'RE REQUIRED, YOU, YOU GET A SIGNIFICANT TAX RISK HOA THEN THE PLOWING WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY THE HOA THEN, CORRECT? NO.
'CAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING A PUBLIC ROAD IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
BUT IT WOULD BE BUT IT WOULD BE DONE BY A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
YOU'D HAVE TO WELL, WELL, YEAH, BUT IT WOULD BE PRIVATE.
THE TOWN WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE BUT THEY'D GET LESS TAX REVENUE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A WASH.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ACCOUNTANT TYPE NUMBER, BUT YEAH.
THAT LIKE, UH, TAYLOR WOODS MM-HMM
THAT'S A PRIVATE HOA THAT'S, THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN POWER AND SERVICE.
I DON'T NOW WILLOW WOODS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET RIGHT NOW, TAYLOR WOODS, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE ARE PETITIONING THE TOWN TO TURN THAT ROAD.
THEY HAVE BEEN FOR THEY HAVE YEARS SINCE YOU'VE BEEN, IT'S THE WAY IT'S DEVELOPED THOUGH.
I WAS TOLD BY THE CODE, THE ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT, IT'S THE WAY IT'S, IT WAS DEVELOPED NOW DOWN THE STREET, WILLOW WOODS.
THAT'S, THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE TOP, THAT'S PLOW.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION.
AND IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ULTIMATELY NOT GONNA BE OUR CHOICE, BUT WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC ESPECIALLY, I, I WANNA SAY THAT I, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO YES, THEY MIGHT WANNA SPEAK TO THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE, IT WILL BE HIS FIRST NEW CUL-DE-SAC COMING IN.
I BELIEVE YOU DID REFER TO THEM.
I, I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT IS AWARE OF THIS, BUT I DON'T DUNNO IF HE'S AWARE OF THIS, BUT I I, WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS A PUBLIC ROAD, I I I, I DID TALK TO HIM OR HE TALKED TO ME ABOUT CUL-DE-SACS AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT THIS IS MORE OF A POSSIBILITY THAN IT WAS IN THE PAST.
BACK, BACK IN FEBRUARY WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOPIC.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT WITH RESPECT TO SECRET.
YOU'RE RIGHT, I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS A VACANT LOT, RIGHT? IT IS.
IS IT, IS IT WOODED? HOW, HOW MUCH, HOW, HOW WOOD IT IS.
SO THERE IS THIS, IT CERTAINLY HAS VEGETATION, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY EARTH DIMENSIONS, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT REALLY VEGETATION OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE OF NOT MINIMIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF TREES, BUT THERE'S DEAD TREES.
IT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD SAY, UH, SOMEWHAT, SOMEWHAT GROWN IN, BUT THERE'S NOT MATURE TREES ON THE SITE PER SE.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF THE GRADE, IT DROPS FRONT TO BACK OBVIOUSLY.
THAT'S WHY OUR STORM WATER SYSTEM IS THERE.
UH, KEVIN WAS ACTUALLY AT THE SITE TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW KEVIN WOULD SAY, I MEAN THERE'S CERTAINLY VEGETATION.
I DO WANNA KNOW, THE THING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF MAKE IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE PARK NEXT DOOR AND THERE'S A PRETTY NICE DENSE ROW OF PINE TREES ALONG THE EDGE AND KEVIN WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE PARK PROPERTY.
SO THAT BUFFER WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
THAT'S THE BASIC QUESTION ON LIKE, WHERE IS THIS EXACTLY? 'CAUSE NONE OF OUR DOCS HAVE LIKE AN ADDRESS OR AN SBL DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
SO LIKE IT DOES HAVE KIND OF IDENTIFY HAS AN SBL, THE SBLS ON THE EF SBL.
DO WE HAVE THE EI SUBMITTED IT SURE.
I MEAN I CAN, I CAN TEXT MAP, BUT I WAS LIKE, AM I MISSING SOMETHING MAJOR LIKE THE
THIS IS THE SITE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE VILLAGE PARK IS THERE? MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE RIGHT HERE.
UNFORTUNATELY IN HAMBURG PARCELS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED, DON'T HAVE ADDRESSES, THEY'RE ALL ZERO, WHATEVER THERE IS.
AND I CAN PULL THE SBL FROM EAF.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE, I DON'T SEND IT TO YOU.
I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THE EAF OR THE EARTH DIMENSIONS WETLANDS DELINEATION THAT I THINK WE JUST PUT UP.
SO I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN EITHER OF THOSE YET.
WHICH DOCUMENTS? THE UM, WETLANDS DELINEATION, YOU SAID FROM BIRTH DIMENSIONS OR THE CAF? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE
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EITHER OF THOSE.AND THE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
AND I CAN ACTUALLY GIVE THE SGL NUMBER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVE IT ON THIS FORM.
THE SBL NUMBER IS 180 2 DASH NINE DASH 2.1.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAN.
I THINK RIGHT NEAR LOT ONE RIGHT OFF THE ROAD I THIS IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I THINK IT JUST SAYS HOUSE A LOT ONE HERE.
SO IF YOU GO RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT, DOES THAT WORD, SO OFF THE PLANS.
DOES THAT WORD JUST SAY HOUSE? IT DOES.
SO WHAT'S OVER THERE? A NEIGHBOR? LIKE HOW CLOSE IS THE NEIGHBOR? KEVIN, DO YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THE HOUSE IS ON THAT SIDE RIGHT HERE? UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE WAYS OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S ALSO ANOTHER HOME BACK, BACK HERE.
UM, AS WELL, THERE'S KIND OF TWO HOMES STACKED ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN DIRECTLY BEHIND US IS AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION.
BUT OBVIOUSLY NICE THING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THOSE OWNERS, THEY'RE GETTING ASSURANCE THAT BACTERIA WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
AND I DO GOTTA GIVE SOME CREDIT TO THIS DEVELOPER.
MOST DEVELOPERS WOULD APPROACH US AND ASK FOR MORE LOTS IN A LARGER WETLAND IMPACT.
WE'RE PURPOSELY TRYING TO KEEP THAT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF OUR WETLAND CONSULTANTS.
SCOTT LIVINGSTON OF EARTH DIMENSIONS AND PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WITH SIX LOTS MORE IF WE DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOVE IF I SAY IDEALLY LOT 13 LIVES AS A WETLAND AND NOT AS A HOME.
BECAUSE THAT WAS MY, MY MAJOR THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THAT, WHAT IF LOT IS IT BEING 13 OR 18 WAS, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
A GREEN SPACE OR A, A PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING THAT LIKE, WAS NOT EDGING AWAY AT ALL OF OUR, OUR WETLAND FILLING.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE, UM, NOTE OF HOW MANY LOTS WE'VE LOST ALREADY.
SO WE'RE IMPACTING BASICALLY ONE 10TH OF THE WHITELANDS ON SITE.
AND WE'RE ALSO GIVING THE ASSURANCE OF PERMANENT PROTECTION OF THE REMAINDER, WHICH THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.
SO WE THINK THAT'S A, WE THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD MIDDLE GROUND.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU COMFORTABLE SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING PERMIT COURT? WELL, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? NOPE.
UNLESS AGAIN, UNLESS IF WE WANNA LEAVE THIS EVENING, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WANT.
SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ANYBODY WANTS? OH, IT'S SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, UM, WE COULD DO, WE COULD DO IT ON THE 20TH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
I THINK WE PREFER TO DO IT THE FIRST WEDNESDAY MAY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING AS WELL.
BUT WE HAVE TWICE AS MANY ON THE FIRST EVENING.
UH, FIRST OH, UH, WEDNESDAY OF MAY THAN WE DO ON THE SECOND.
SECOND WEDNESDAY OF, UH, APRIL I WAS THINKING IT WAS THE CONGRESS.
IT IT WAS NOT THE CONGRESS THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS IT THAT WAY.
SO IT'S, YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM EVERY MEETING.
I, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONFLICT MAKING.
NO, WE, WE CAN, WE COULD DO THAT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING, I'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK.
I WANNA LIMIT EACH MEETING TO FIVE ITEMS. OKAY.
SO RIGHT NOW FOR MAY 4TH WE HAVE FOUR.
SO, SO BASED ON MY, MY NEW NEW SYSTEM THAT I JUST STARTED TODAY,
I SUPPORT THAT SYSTEM FOR THE RECORD.
VERY MUCH SUPPORT THAT SYSTEM.
SO, UH, SO MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ESSEX HOMES FOR MAY 4TH.
NOTHING ELSE SPECIFICALLY IS NEEDED THAT HASN'T BEEN PROVIDED AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T THINK.
I WANNA LOOK THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE.
YEAH, WE'LL SEE YOU IN A MONTH.
SO THAT IS THE, THE LAST THING WE'RE GONNA PUT ON FOR MAY 4TH THAT HAS I'LL SHUT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOP THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER IMM EXCEPTION CONVENT
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INTO MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING AT 4 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.SO WHILE ANTHONY SETS UP HIS BOARD, I'M KIM MASON, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH PHILIPS LIDLE REPRESENTING SINATRA AND COMPANY.
THE APPLICANT FOR THE PROJECT TODAY.
ANTHONY PANDA FROM CARINA WOOD MORRIS IS HERE WITH US AS WELL.
UM, TO GO OVER THE SITE PLANS, UM, THIS IS FOR COVENANT GARDENS AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK, WHICH IS THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK IN SEOS, THE FORMER IMMACULATE, UH, CONCEPTION CONDO PROPERTY.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING WITH AN ASSOCIATED MEDICAL BUILDING THAT I'LL DESCRIBE IN A MINUTE.
AND WE WERE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION BACK IN FEBRUARY AS WELL AS, UM, SUMMER OF 2021 AS WELL.
UM, BEFORE I GET INTO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FILED BEFORE YOU GUYS, WHAT THE PROJECT DETAILS ARE AND BEFORE ANTHONY STARTS RUNNING OVER THE SITE PLAN, I JUST WANNA LET MATT FROM SINATRA REINTRODUCE HIMSELF.
I KNOW SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA LET MATT MEETING, UH, MATT CONNORS, VICE PRESIDENT OF SINATRA DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REMAIN VERY COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE STILL AT THE UNIT COUNT OF 261 UNITS.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH BERT COLLEGE DILIGENTLY TO PROGRAM THE 7,000 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE IN THE CENTER, WHICH WILL BE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.
WE, UH, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, DOING KIND OF A, UM, AN RFP FOR OUR GENERAL CONTRACTING ON THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CAPABILITIES INHOUSE.
SO WE WILL BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, UM, IN-HOUSE AS SYN DEVELOP AS WELL.
SO, UM, I KNOW THE TEAM'S BEEN KIND OF WORKING ON MANY OF THE GRANULAR DETAILS AND SO I'LL KIND OF TURN IT OVER AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT INTRODUCTION.
UM, SO WE FILED A FORMAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION ON MARCH 21ST.
INCORPORATED, UH, MUCH OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD DURING SKETCH PLAN, UM, WE'VE INCLUDED SITE PLANS, A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SRF DID A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PART ONE OF THE FULL EAF ELEVATIONS AND THEN A SW WAS SUBMITTED DIRECTLY, UH, TO ENGINEERING.
SO TONIGHT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE BOARD TO ISSUE ITS NOTICE OF INTENT ACT TO LEAD AGENCY AND CIRCULATE LEAD AGENCY PACKAGES BECAUSE THIS IS A TYPE ONE ACTION REQUIRING A COORDINATED REVIEW DUE TO THE NUMBER OF PROPOSED UNITS.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE IMPORTANTLY IF YOU SEE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD, UNDERSTAND ANY QUESTIONS, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL MAY NEED SO WE CAN MOVE THE APPLICATION FORWARD.
SO, UM, THE FORMER COMMENT SITE IS LOCATED AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK IN SEOS.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED R THREE.
AND THE PROPOSED USES ARE PERMITTED USES IN THE R THREE DISTRICT.
UH, YOU HAVE HILBERT COLLEGE TO THE NORTH, UM, AND FAIRGROUNDS ROAD TO THE EAST S SOLES AND RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE SOUTH AND THEN SOUTH PARK, UH, TO THE WEST.
AND LAND USES IN THE AREA ARE EDUCATIONAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, MATT HAD MENTIONED THE PROJECT INCLUDES BOTH THE REUSE OF AN EXISTING MEDICAL FACILITY ON SITE THAT SERVICE RESIDENTS OF THE CONVENT PREVIOUSLY, AS WELL AS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS AND MARKET RATE, UH, APARTMENTS.
THERE WILL BE, UH, CURRENTLY PROPOSED 125 UNITS OF THE SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS AND 136 UNITS OF THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
THE SENIOR UNITS ARE PROPOSED IN A NEW SINGLE THREE STORY BUILDING, UM, WHICH WILL BE ALONG SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND THE TOWN'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MEET THROUGH 27 UNITS INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THAT BUILDING.
UM, THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE SITE IN 17 TO EIGHT.
UNIT TWO STORY BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE APPROXIMATELY 9,200 SQUARE FOOT EACH.
UM, LANDSCAPE BERMS ARE PROPOSED ALONG SOULS ROAD AND THE PROJECT WILL ALSO FEATURE OVER 68,000 SQUARE FEET OF RECREATION AREAS AND WALKING TRAILS THAT WILL CONNECT WITH THE HILBERT CAMPUS.
UM, AND TWO ACRES OF BREEZE SPACE.
UM, SO THAT THAT NURSING FACILITY, UM, THAT EXISTING YEARS IN FACILITY THAT NOT MENTIONED CURRENTLY IS PROPOSED, UM, TO BE SOMETHING CALLED THE THRIVE CENTER, WHICH AT THIS POINT IS URGENT CARE USES, UM, FOR SENIORS THAT WILL LIVE ON SITE AND THERE MAY BE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR FURTHER INTERACTION WITH HARVARD COLLEGE AS WELL AS THE SINATRA TEAM WORKS ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN CURRENTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS TO FULL BUILD OUT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO NOW I WILL TURN OVER TO THE RUN THROUGH EGRESS SITE PLAN.
SO THE, THE SITE PLAN IS MOSTLY WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT, UH, AT THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN IN FEBRUARY.
UM, JUST A FEW MINOR CHANGES WE MADE, UM, BASED ON INPUT FROM THAT MEETING.
UM, WE'VE ADDED A SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH PARK.
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UH, BIKE RACKS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO MAKE THE SITE, YOU KNOW, RIDEABLE FOR BIKERS, UM, INGRESS EGRESS FROM THE SITE.UM, TWO CURB CUTS ON SOUTH PARK, MOSTLY IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE TWO EXISTING, UM, CURB CUTS THERE ON SOLES.
WE WILL BE REUSING ONE OF THE EXISTING CURB CUTS.
WE ARE REMOVING THE ONE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION WITH SOUTH PARK AND WE ARE ALSO, UM, ADDING A CURB CUT ON FAIRGROUNDS ROAD TO THE EAST.
UM, AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CONCEPT PLAN HAD SOME PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPING, BUT WE DO NOW HAVE A FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WAS MENTIONED.
UM, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE BERMS ALL AROUND, ALL ALONG S SOLES FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SCREEN AND, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY WELL LANDSCAPE THROUGHOUT THE SITE TO MAKE THE, THE SITE AS GREEN AS POSSIBLE.
AND ONE QUESTION THAT DID COME UP DURING SKETCH PLAN WAS THE FEASIBILITY OF PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG SOULS ROAD.
UM, AND WE LOOKED INTO THAT, BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH THERE, UM, THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE ROOM, ANTHONY? CORRECT.
REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHEN THE, UH, WHEN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, ESSEX HOME, WAS IT ESSEX HOMES I GUESS.
AND YOU ASKED 'EM TO PUT A SIDEWALK THERE AND THEY THEY HAVE THE SAME
YEAH, THAT DRAIN DITCH RUNS RIGHT ALONG, UH, THE ROAD THERE.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT ANY ROOM TO, TO SQUEEZE THE SIDEWALK IN THERE, TO PLACE THE DITCH WITH A PIPE AND PUT THE SIDEWALK ON TOP OF IT.
YOU COULD, BUT THEN YOU WOULD STILL NEED DRAINAGE STRUCTURES WITHIN WHEN YOU FILL A DITCH.
STILL NEED TO HAVE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY CAN'T RUN PIPE THAT LONG WITHOUT ANY STRUCTURES IN PLACE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT STRUCTURES KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
IN THAT CASE, THERE'S WHAT BUILDINGS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS HERE WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY OR I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH MEETING YOU WERE AT OR, SO THE, A PORTION OF THE EXISTING CONVENT, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME GARAGES IN A GREENHOUSE IN THIS AREA THAT WE ARE REMOVING.
THE, THE LARGEST AREA WOULD BE IT'S SECTION THAT'S ATTACHED.
WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUILDING THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY OLD THOUGH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IS THAT AND THAT'S BEING KEPT? UH, NO, THAT WOULD BE, UM, TAKEN DOWN 19.
REFERRING TO THAT ONE OR, WELL, THERE BECAUSE YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUILDING THERE THAT, THAT'S OLDER.
I'M TRYING, I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER LAST TIME IT WAS HERE, THERE, THERE WAS SOME SARAH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? DREW WOULDN'T REMEMBER.
SO I MEAN THE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS ARE THE CONVENT AND THEN THIS STRUCTURES HERE.
THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS.
IT, IT WAS A SMALL, I THINK I THOUGHT IT REALLY CARRIAGE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.
SORRY, WHY? YOU SAID YOU'RE KEEPING THE GROTTA LAST TIME.
WAS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GRO IT WAS RA IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? YEAH, IT COULD, YEAH.
AND THAT'S BEING RETAINED? CORRECT.
AND THEN THE OTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US, I, I, I THOUGHT WE GOT, UH, CORNER OF, OF SOULS AND SOUTH PARK.
I THINK THE BUILDING WAS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AWAY.
SO THERE WAS SOME DIFFERENT, UH, FEATURES.
'CAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CIRCLE THAT I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE MAYBE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUILDING.
WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE CORNER OF SOULS AND THE, AND THE ENTRANCE TO HELPER THAT CORNER THERE WAS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED RIGHT.
I, I THOUGHT THERE LIKE THERE WAS GONNA BE A WATER FEATURE WHERE FOUND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE ON SOUTH PARK AND SOLD BY CIRCLE.
SOUTH PARK AND SOULS ABOUT CIRCLE.
WELL WE ARE SHOWING, AND THIS WAS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL, IS YOU SIGNAGE HERE ON THE CORNER WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANTING BEDS AROUND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE CORNER THERE THAT, THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NICER THAN THAT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT, THERE WAS DISCUSSION TO HAVE THAT THE POND THERE, UH, RATHER THAN GUARDRAILS GUIDE RAIL IN, IN CASE SOMEBODY RAILS OFF THE ROAD, THEY WOULD HIT THE POND GUIDE RAILS.
THAT'S THE GUIDE RAILS DISCUSSION.
SO THAT, THAT WAS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IN DETAIL WITH THE, THE LAST, NOT, NOT BACK IN FEBRUARY, BUT THE LAST TIME THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US BACK IN THE SUMMER.
I THINK THERE WAS A REASON SOMETHING THEY MOVED THE WETLAND OR THE, UH, RETENTION FROM THERE.
SO WE DID, UM, RELOCATE OR, OR I'LL SAY, UM, MOVE A LITTLE BIT AND ANTHONY CAN SPEAK TO THE RETENTION POND THAT'S IN
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THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SAME YEAH.I, I WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS PLANS.
I BELIEVE THEY HAD IT IN THIS, DOWN IN THIS AREA.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT AT THE, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT WAS MORE DOWN HERE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN SOMETHING AESTHETIC AT THE CORNER.
NOT AS, I DO REMEMBER CHRIS ADDRESSING THAT.
AND HE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, FIRST THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE SITE PLAN.
THAT WAS A PREVIOUS COMMENT AND WE WERE KIND OF BROUGHT INTO THE PROJECT.
SO I DO REMEMBER THAT BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS MOST CURRENT ITERATION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE POND HERE IS THE WAY WITH GRADING WORKS.
UM, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE BEST SPOT TO HAVE.
THE SITE FOR THE MOST PART GENERALLY KIND OF FLOWS THIS WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PARTS GOING, WHICH WAY IS THIS WAY? UM, NORTH
THERE WAS A HAND MOTION, YOU KNOW.
THE, THE HAND MOTIONS WERE REALLY WELL ON THE RECORDING, SO, AND SO THEN THE, UM, THE BURNS AT THE BOTTOM, SO IT'S LIKE ROAD DITCH AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING BIRD, WHICH WILL ALSO KIND OF SEND THE STORM WATER INTO THE DITCH, I'M ASSUMING.
SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWN HERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL PORTION, OBVIOUSLY THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BERM, THAT RUNOFF, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE DITCH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL COLLECT EVERYTHING ELSE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT ALL GOES TO THE PATENT.
AND IF YOU DO SOMETHING TO DRESS UP THAT CORNER, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE, IF, IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND GOES IN, WHEN I, WHEN I GO HOME FROM HERE, I, I DRIVE PAST THE CIRCLE.
I WANNA LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, OH WOW, THAT WAS COOL.
NOW WE HAVE, UM, WE DO HAVE LIKE A WRAPAROUND BERM HERE.
ARE YOU NEEDED, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH US TAKING THAT OUT OR DO YOU WANT US TRY TO KEEP THAT IN? WELL, THE, THE THING FOR A BERM IS, IS IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE IT SO YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S BEHIND IT BECAUSE WHAT'S BEHIND IT RIGHT NOW IS A BUILDING.
IF SOMETHING BETTER TO LOOK AT WAS, WAS THERE, THEN THE BERM WOULDN'T BE AS NECESSARY.
I JUST WANNA SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ADDING IN MORE OF THE FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M ALWAYS AT.
JUST AS MUCH GREEN NOOKS AND CRANNIES AS YOU CAN GET IN THIS VERY GREAT PROJECT BETTER.
UM, BUT I WANNA SPEND SOME TIME THANK YOU TOGETHER.
DO YOU EVER ONE THESE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS 27 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THEY'RE GONNA BE INTEGRATED WITH THE OTHER TENANTS.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE SENIOR HOUSING BUILDING, RIGHT? YES.
WHERE IS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT PRESENT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ONE SECTION, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY SUGGESTED IN THE CODE MUCH LESS BIAS OR PICK YOUR WORD, BUT
ALRIGHT, SO WE NEED TO DO A COORDINATOR REVIEW ON THIS ONE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TODAY? I A QUESTION WHY YOU CLOSED OFF THAT EXIT CONSOLES.
AND THEN YOU KEPT THE OTHER ONE, WHICH CLOSE THE OTHER ONE? UM, WELL I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY.
UM, ONE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT GARAGES THERE NOW INSTEAD, UM, TO TRY AND GET, YOU KNOW, MORE PARKING TWO, UM, HAVING THAT CURB CUT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION WHEN WE DO ULTIMATELY HAVE TO SEND THIS TO UM, NEW YORK STATE DOT, THEY WOULD LIKELY NOT WANT A CURB CUT THAT CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
WE'RE ALREADY GONNA PROBABLY BE FINE WITH THEM FOR THE AMOUNT WE HAVE 'CAUSE THEY'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO LIMIT IT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE REASON BEHIND THAT WAS TO TRY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS WHILE ALSO PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE ACCESS, PRETTY BIG SITE.
SO WE WANTED TO HAVE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, ON ALL THREE SIDES.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED SOME TIME WITH THE MATERIALS IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WHEN WOULD WE BE LOOKING TO SCHEDULE THAT? I KNOW WE'RE, WE'VE GOT CHAIRMAN CLARK STATE RULE OF FIVE PUBLIC HEARINGS,
SO, SO WE'RE, UM, WE ARE, WELL MOST LIKELY I WAS GONNA TABLE THIS FOR MAY 18TH BECAUSE IT GIVES A COORDINATOR REVIEW AND WE WON'T HAVE THE RESPONSES BACK BEFORE THE 20TH.
AND WE, WE FILLED UP THE FOURTH, UM, WELL, ON 30 DAYS
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IS AFTER MAY 4TH, SO RIGHT.WELL THAT'S DAY BECAUSE 30 DAY, BECAUSE YEAH.
THE, THE FIFTH, THE FOURTH WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AT 30 DAYS ANYWAY.
SO ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM WE MESSED UP ON ALREADY READY.
UM, SO I DON'T, SO ON THE 18TH WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING, THAT MIGHT BE THE TIME WHERE WE SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULDN'T HAVE IT ON THE 18TH MM-HMM
BUT WE, WE MIGHT THAT THAT'D BE THE EARLIEST THAT WE COULD SCHEDULE IT AS FAR AS GIVE A DATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT MAKE SENSE? ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE TO MAY 18TH.
FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT REGARDING PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE, BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
HAVE ALL THE LUMINOUS PAPERWORK THAT DREW GAVE YOU.
UM, I DON'T THINK HE GOT ANY RESPONSES FROM ANYBODY.
SO HE'S ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH WHAT HE WROTE? I RESPONDED TO HIM.
AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS FINE
OH, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE DIDN'T TELL YOU, BUT I DID RESPOND.
YEAH, I SAID IT LOOKED LIKE HE CAPTURED EVERYTHING AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
SO THIS IS A SEEKER AND WE DON'T GET THIS FAR VERY OFTEN.
SO WHY DON'T YOU, FOR THE RECORD REVIEW OUR POTENTIAL CHOICES FOR TODAY, SARAH? WELL, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.
EITHER YOU, EITHER YOU, UM, SORT OF INFORMALLY RESOLVE THAT THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE GROUP TOGETHER THAT LISTS THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND THOSE DOLLAR GENERAL SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN THE FBIS OR YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT OR YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADVISED.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, DOLLAR GENERAL HAS HOW MUCH TIME TO, IF IF IF WE, IF WE WERE TO SEND IT TO THEM, IS THE U USUALLY WITH SEEKER YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME FOR NOT LEGAL.
SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO FIRST, BEFORE WE GO FORWARD TO THAT QUESTION, OH, JUST IN TIME THE, UM, DOCUMENT THAT SARAH'S REFERRING TO, IS THAT THE SAME ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND DELIVERED TO US AT THE LAST MEETING? SO THERE'S BEEN NO, THERE'S BEEN MORE CHANGES TO THIS.
I DON'T, I THINK IT'S JUST A COMPILATION OF, WELL I WASN'T HERE, BUT WHATEVER WAS TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH PLUS MARGO HAD A QUESTION OKAY.
I THINK SO IT DID MODIFY THE LAST VERSION SLIGHTLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED THAT, BUT, UM, SO THERE IS NO TIMEFRAME.
SO ONCE YOU GUYS INFORMALLY RESOLVE THAT, THAT'S THE FINAL SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT.
THEORETICALLY SPEAKING, YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THE FINAL EIS.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO HELP ONE EXPEDITE IT AND TWO MOVE THIS FORWARD, WE'VE OFFERED TO PREPARE THE FINAL EIS FOR YOU GUYS TO ULTIMATELY LOOK AT AND APPROVE.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN A POSITION PROBABLY ABOUT THREE WEEKS.
ONCE WE GET THE FINAL INFORMAL RESOLUTION, TWO TO THREE WEEKS, WE CAN TURN AROUND THE FINAL EIS THAT INVOLVES BACK IN YOUR COURT TO ADDRESS THE FINDINGS AND IF, AND IF WE DIDN'T ADOPT ANYTHING TODAY, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENS BY DEFAULT.
SO THE, THE, THE LAW PROVIDES A 45 DAY, BUT THAT'S NOT A DEADLINE.
IT'S A 45 DAYS A WORKING GOAL PRETTY MUCH FOR THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY BRING IT TO THE FINAL AS TO FRUITION.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AT THIS POINT IS INFORMALLY RESOLVE.
GIVE US THAT FORM AND LET US GET THE LETTER.
SO WHEN EVERYBODY RECEIVED DREW THE DOCUMENT THAT DREW PREPARED, HE SENT IT, UM, TODAY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MOST RECENT ONE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER? I THINK YOU HAD IT.
THERE'S AN OLD ONE, YOU'VE HAD IT FOR A WHILE.
I THINK HE HAD THE FIRST ONE WE GOT ON THE 30TH OR THE 31ST.
AND IT WAS A COMPILATION OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE AT THE MEETING.
HE TOOK FROM THE MINUTES AND WE SENT HIM IN WRITING AND HE JUST SAID, HERE'S ALL THE SUBSTANTIVE, HERE'S ALL THE
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COMMENTS AND HIGHLIGHTED SOME THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUBSTANTIVE FOR OUR DECISION.MY PHONE'S GONNA BE POSSIBLE TO COMPARE THE ONE THAT HE SENT TODAY WITH THE ONE HE SAID ON THE 30TH BECAUSE THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCES.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFERENCES THERE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHO KNOWS WHAT I THINK HE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE HAD IT.
SO WHAT WAS DREW SAYING AT THE LAST MEETING? UM, I HAVEN'T REALLY BRUSHED UP ON THIS RECENTLY.
THE FEI ASKED, DOES IT ANSWER THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS? ARE THERE NOT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BETWEEN THE DNF? SO WE ADDRESS THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, THE BOARD DECIDE WHAT'S SUBSTANTIVE AND WHAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
BUT THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
DIS INCLUDES THE DEIS OR REFERENCE TO IT.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT EVERY SINGLE DRAFT, WHICH INCLUDES THE DRAFT DIS, EVERY SINGLE AMENDMENT OR VERSION WE DO TO IT.
THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO ONLY DO ONE.
SO IT'S NOT A, A A, YOU KNOW, A NOVEL.
UM, AND THEN WE RESUBMIT IT AND WE ADDRESS THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S WORK DRAFT IS WE HAVE THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS IDENTIFIED PER YES.
THE ONLY THING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, OF COURSE WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT WE PRESUME THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS SUBSTATIVE OR NON SUBSTANTIVE.
IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE ANY ISSUE, WE CAN ASK THE INPUT, GO BACK BEFORE THE BOARD SO WE CAN ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT A PARTICULAR COMMENT IS SUBSTANTIVE THAT IS WORTHY OF RESPONSE.
I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
WELL, I MEAN, I I THINK IF WE VOTE ON IT, IT'S, IT'S WOULD BE THE, THE FIVE OF US SAYING THAT WE DO BELIEVE IT IS SUBSTANTIVE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN I JUST, SO THERE IS A PROCESS IF WE THINK THERE'S NOT SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE, AGAIN, I DON'T FORESEE THAT EVER BEING A SCENARIO.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET THE BALL MOVING.
SO IF IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIVE, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST ADDRESS IT AND SKIP THAT STEP ALTOGETHER.
IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND SAY, OKAY, ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL DO THAT WITHOUT, WE'VE SEEN IT, BUT I DON'T IMAGINE ANY CHANCE THERE'S GONNA BE
HE PUT A TWO-PAGE THING IN THE PROCESS OR THE YES.
PLENTY ADDED MARGOT AND OH, HE ADDED, HE ADDED COMMENTS FROM SPECIFIC CLAIM BOARD NUMBER.
WHICH I DID FEEL LIKE HE REFERENCED BRIEFLY.
HE SAYS THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AT TONIGHT'S MEETING AT THE RIGHT.
BUT DID HE MAKE CHANGES TO, OH, OKAY.
YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ARE LISTED SEPARATELY.
IT NOT, NOT, YEAH, HE LISTED MINE SEPARATELY, WHICH SHE RIGHT.
HE TOLD ME IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE SAME INFORMATION.
WHAT HE DID WAS HE DID, HE DID THIS PROCESS DOC TO KIND OF EXPLAIN FOR EVERYONE'S GOODWILL WHAT HAPPENS.
HE SEE HOW, WELL MY MEMORY IS HE DID, UM, THE DOC THAT HE SENT US THAT HAS LIKE A COMPILATION OF ALL OF THE DOCS AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE HE DID THE SUPPORTING INFO, WHICH IS THE MEETING MINUTES, THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I SENT HIM IN THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT CAITLYN SENT HIM.
AND I ASSUME THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VERSIONS OF THOSE TO, OKAY, SO SO THE MINUTES, YOUR COMMENTS AND THE OTHER COMMENTS YEAH.
ARE, ARE LISTED AS SUPPORTING SO YOU CAN GROUND TRUTH WITH, SO, SO THERE'S THOSE, BECAUSE HE'S GOT, THERE'S FIVE ATTACKERS, THERE'S PROCESS, THERE'S THE, THERE'S HIS VERSION AND THERE'S THE THREE YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY THE EMAIL TODAY IT LOOKS LIKE HE PACKAGED IT ALL UP FOR PERFECT.
AND THIS IS, I MEAN THAT DOING THAT FOR US IS, IS WHAT DREW IS PAID TO DO.
IF WE WERE TO, IF TRIED TO DO THIS ON OUR OWN, THAT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE DONE YET.
ARE WE OKAY WITH VOTING ON IT? I DON'T THINK YOU WROTE ANYTHING YOU SAID IT'S JUST KIND OF AN INFORMAL RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE THIS DOCUMENT TO THE YEAH, THERE'S NOT A FORMAL RESOLUTION.
THESE ARE THE UBSTANCE COMMENTS.
ESSENTIALLY THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD'S BEEN CLOSED FOR A WHILE.
THE PLAY BOARD HAS NOW FINALIZED THEIR COMMENTS AND HERE YOU GO.
I THINK THE, THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO DRAFT THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING I WANNA TAKE.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AS PREPARED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING CONSULTANTS ON APRIL 6TH, 2022.
IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN.
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MOTION CARRIES.AND DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE IT NOW OR FEE OR YOU WANT US TO SUBMIT IT AND THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW? YEAH, SUBMIT IT AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF, IF WE WERE TO SCHEDULE IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE UNTIL SECOND MEETING IN MAY, FIRST AND JUNE ANYWAY, SO IT, IT'S PROBABLY AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME AS IF WE WAIT.
SO APRIL 20TH TOO SOON? YES, I WOULD THINK SO.
CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I DUNNO IF I'M ALLOWED TO ASK ABOUT THE FORM OF THE DOCUMENT.
LIKE, CAN WE GET A, A VERSION OF THE FBIS BACK THAT IS LIKE TRACK CHANGED OR LIKE FONT COLOR OR SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THE CHANGES YOU'VE MADE FOR EASE OF REVIEW OR? WELL, WE SENT, WE, IT'LL BE A BRAND NEW DOCUMENT.
IT'LL BE A BRAND NEW DOCUMENT.
WON'T BE, IT JUST WON'T BE VISED.
AND I DON'T KNOW YOU'VE, WILL WE HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCES? CORRECT.
CAN WE HIGHLIGHT OR COMMENT OR SOMETHING? SO THE BULK OF THE DOCUMENT WILL BE COMMENTS AND RESPONSES.
WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A SECTION IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE DIS WE'LL DESCRIBE THAT.
UM, AT THIS POINT, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I'VE SEEN, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE DEIS ITSELF.
MOST OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THES WILL BE RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS AND TO MAKE THINGS EASIER, LIKE WE WERE REQUESTING, I THINK WE DID ON THE DRAFT DIS WE'LL SUBMIT OUR OFFICIAL COPY OF COURSE, LIKE A PDF FORMAT, SOMETHING TO FILE THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
AND THEN WE CAN ALSO SEND A WORD SO YOU GUYS CAN MOCK UP AMONGST YOURSELVES AS AN UNOFFICIAL DOCUMENT SO YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT WORKUP.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS THE LAST THING WE HAD ON OUR AGENDA.
HE EMAILED THIS TO YOU GUYS? TO US, RIGHT? DREW? YEAH, LIKE A VERSION AND BECAUSE THEY'D LIKE IT IN EMAIL FORM.
I DON'T KNOW INCLUDED ON, I CAN FORWARD IT TO HIM, INCLUDE, I JUST DIDN'T EMAIL.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YEAH, IT WENT TO CHAPMANDENNIS6@GMAIL.COM TOLD US NOT TO SHARE WITH DENNIS.
AND, AND YOU WERE CC'D ON IT, SARAH.
I'M GONNA FORWARD IT TO SARAH, THE PROCESS.
UH, YES, WE NEED TO DO THE, UM, YEAH, PROBABLY SARAH, I DID GET A COMMENT, UH, FROM JENNIFER ABOUT BRINGING UP THE POTENTIAL EXPERTS.
I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A TRAFFIC EXPERT.
UM, I, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE OUR ADOPTION.
IT JUST AS, AS GOING FORWARD, THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF OUR, UH, OUR REQUESTS TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IS IF YOU COMMISSION INDEPENDENT REVIEW AND THEN CAME UP WITH MORE SUBSTATIVE COMMENTS.
UM, BUT I GUESS I WOULDN'T WANNA DELAY THE PROCESS.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO OR IS IT LIKE DECIDED UPON OR? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE.
I HAVEN'T PULLED HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE BOARD MEMBER THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF, IF THERE'S ALREADY MORE THAN ONE, THEN WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO IT ONLY TAKES FOUR.
UM, YEAH, I THINK I WOULD RATHER DO IT AS PART OF THE NEXT PROCESS THAN PART OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE BEFORE WE NO, I, I WANT TO, LET'S CONTINUE ON THIS TRACK.
AND THEN IF THE BOARD ULTIMATELY COMES TO THAT CONCLUSION, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
BECAUSE I, I THINK OUR, OUR IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM ADDRESS SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED.
I, I DIDN'T THINK OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY RAISED ADDITIONAL ONES BECAUSE THE QUESTION WE WOULD PRESENT TO THEM WOULD BE ONE OF THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THAT? BUT LET'S ADDRESS THAT.
I LIKE TO THINK THAT THERE'S NO STONE UNTURNED AT THIS POINT.
HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T, HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COMES UP.
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ALL RIGHT.SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES, RIGHT? WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
WHAT? I THINK WHEN I WAS WATCHING ON FACEBOOK, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
DIDN'T HAVE, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH LAST TIME.
I ENOUGH PEOPLE, BUT NOT ENOUGH.
NO, NOT ENOUGH THAT WERE AT, AT MEETING.
YOU CAN'T VOTE ON THE MINUTES IF YOU WEREN'T THERE.
I DIDN'T HELP YOUR BILL, OUR TROOPER HERE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A FORUM TO VOTE ON? LAST MINUTE.
WE CAN DO THE PREVIOUS ONE, RIGHT? WELL, I, I'M, I'M GOING THROUGH MY STUFF AND UNLESS I DELETED IT AS SOON AS THE SENATE, I DON'T SEE THE MINISTERS.
I'M PRETTY SURE HE SENT THOSE.
BUT WERE ENOUGH OF YOU AT HERE ON THREE, TWO, THAT YOU COULD AT LEAST APPROVE THOSE.
16TH WAS NOT, YOU WEREN'T HERE ON THE THREE, ON THREE, TWO.
NO, I WASN'T HERE ON THE, I WASN'T HERE ON THE TWO'S.
WHY WE COULDN'T VOTE ON THE 16TH BECAUSE I MADE, WE, HERE WE CAN DO THREE, TWO, SEVENTH.
MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS ON MARCH 2ND.