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          WE 
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GO TURN THE RECORDER. 
          YEAH. 
          RECORDER ON, BILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DREW, CAN WE GET AN AGENDA? DREW, DO WE HAVE AN AGENDA IN HANDOUT? SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION. 
          THE FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED, ASKING FOR SOMETHING I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN. 
          THE REST I HAVE AGENDAS FOR ALL. 
          YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? YEAH. 
          HELLO. 
          SO WE WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, DO TWO THINGS. 
          UH, ONE IS EXPAND OUR CURRENT BUILDING JUST TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UH, GROWTH, BUSINESS GROWTH. 
          AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING UP A, ANOTHER BUILDING ON OUR PROPERTY ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR MORE STORAGE. 
          AND ALSO WE'RE GONNA DO OUR OWN PAINTING IN-HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I KNOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS LAST TIME, UH, ON THAT, BUT, UM, BASICALLY OUR BUSINESS HAS GROWN SUCH THAT WE, UM, CONTRACT OUT PAINTING. 
          IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO JUST BRING IN HOUSE AND, AND DO OUR OWN WORK. 
          WE DO A LOT OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA PUT UP A, A PAINT BOOTH IN A A 2000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A SMALL PORTION OF THAT BUILDING WITH A PAINT BOOTH IS, AND THE REST IS GONNA BE STORAGE AND WORK AREA. 
          AND PRIMARY, UM, BUSINESS WILL BE PAINTING OUR OWN GOLF CARTS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ALSO TO HELP JUSTIFY THE, THE COST OF THE PAINT BOOTH. 
          UM, JUST DO MINOR FENDER BENDER TYPE, UH, WORK IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL. 
          CARS. 
          YEAH. 
          VEHICLE, YEAH. 
          VEHICLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO PAY THE VEHICLES. 
          I DID ACTUALLY FILL OUT THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, THE ASSET, RIGHT? YEP. 
          SO WE DID SUBMIT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, REQUEST ALL THE PAPERWORK, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, I GUESS, APPROVAL TO GO TO A, A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE CURRENT PLAN IS. 
          SO YOU PREVIOUSLY CAME BEFORE US A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          YEP. 
          IT LEARNED 
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THE PANDEMIC TO DO AN ADDITION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALREADY COMPLETED. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S DONE. 
          YEP. 
          AND SO NOW WE NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY, AND I TALKED TO SARAH ABOUT THIS. 
          SHE SAID, I MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE TO EXPAND CURRENT BUILDING, BUT UH, OUR SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THERE PREVENTS US FROM EXPANDING FURTHER. 
          SO WE CAN GO AROUND IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I, ON THE SITE PLAN, HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT WITH A SEPARATE DRIVEWAY COMING IN. 
          AND ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING WILL BE IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE PUT UP AS FAR AS COLORS, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT OF IT, UM, THE LOOK OF IT. 
          SO IT'LL ALL BE, YOU KNOW, MATCHING THE CURRENT EXISTING BUILDING THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO I THINK WE WOULD WANT YOU TO ADD NOTES TO YOUR, YOUR PLAN THAT SPECIFY WHAT COLORS YOU'RE GONNA USE. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          JUST SEND, JUST IN NOTES. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I, THAT, THAT'S EASY. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          I CAN EMAIL THAT TO YOU GUYS. 
          DOCUMENT IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO. 
          THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER DRIVEWAY TO THE ROAD. 
          NO, THERE'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE WHERE, UH, IN BETWEEN THE, THE NEW DRIVEWAY AND THE EXISTING ONE IS THE LEACH FIELD FROM THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND WE CAN'T GO OVER THAT. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. 
          IT WOULD BE MUCH, UM, LESS EXPENSIVE AND UH, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY MORE PRACTICAL. 
          BUT I'VE ALREADY CHECKED WITH, UM, TODD FROM HOLLAND ACRES AND I, I CAN'T PUT A, A DRIVEWAY OVER THAT LEACH FIELD OR SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO I HAVE TO GO AROUND IT. 
          WHERE'S THE SECOND DRIVEWAY GOING? THE NEW ONE THOUGH? YEAH, BUT THE EXISTING OH, I, I SEE AN EXTRA ONE. 
          THIS ONE? YEAH. 
          GONNA GET A CURVE ON SOUTHWEST. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAY AT THE CHURCH CAM. 
          MAY NOT PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK THOSE DRIVEWAYS, I MEAN, ON A ROAD LIKE LAKEVIEW, THEY HAVE TO BE ABOUT THREE, 400 FEET APART. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT THE, THE DISTANCE THAT TYPICALLY IS REQUIRED. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN IT'S A HUNDRED FEET AT THE MOST, RIGHT? SO YOU DON'T GET CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH APART. 
          YOU SAID 300 FEET. 
          THIS, THIS, YEAH. 
          THE WHOLE LENGTH IS RIGHT. 
          IT'S CLOSED. 
          WE HAVE TO CHECK THE CODE, BUT YOU TRY TO HAVE THEM A GOOD DISTANCE APART BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T WANT CONFLICTING. 
          GOOD PART ABOUT THIS IS YOU'RE NOT GENERATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING WHERE CARS ARE COMING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A IMPORTANT NOTE. 
          UM, THAT DRIVEWAY IS FOR OUR, OUR USE ONLY. 
          ALL OF THE MAIN BUSINESS IS GONNA BE HANDLED THROUGH OUR MAIN PARKING LOT. 
          SO THOSE SPACES THAT I HAVE LISTED, THEY'RE BOTH SIX SPACES ARE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, FOR PERSONAL PARKING, YOU KNOW, SO THAT DRIVEWAY IS JUST USED FOR US WHEN I HAND OUT THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          I KNOW SARAH TALKED, I TALKED TO HER TODAY THAT YOU TALKED TO HER. 
          YOU UNDERSTOOD YOU NEEDED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT 'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING CARS. 
          IF YOU DIDN'T DO CARS, WE WOULDN'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE PROBLEM OR THE ISSUE, I'M TOLD NOT TO USE THE WORD ISSUE OR, OR THE CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR CAR REPAIR HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. 
          MOST OF THEM DON'T APPLY TO YOU. 
          'CAUSE MOST OF 'EM RELATE TO GASOLINE PUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ONLY ONE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME THAT YOU MAY HAVE, IT'S AN INTERPRETATIONAL THING, IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO USE OF THE LOT EXCEPT FOR LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING WITHIN 20 FEET OF AN OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARY. 
          LUCKILY YOU HAVE NO OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. 
          THIS, THIS BUILDING HERE IS ONLY 15 FEET OFF OF THIS LINE. 
          BUT THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL TO YOU. 
          YEP. 
          SO I THINK YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          THERE'S NO, WE DOUBLE CHECK. 
          THIS IS NOT AN OUR DISTANCE BEHIND YOU. 
          SO I THINK IT'S OKAY. 
          THIS AREA SHOULD BE LANDSCAPED. 
          YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO, THERE THE CODE IS THINKING OF LIKE A BIG GOTCHA CAR. 
          I MEAN BIG , IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT IS IT A RESIDENTIAL USE? YEAH. 
          ADJACENT TO IT. 
          IS THAT A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE THERE? JUST NORTH OF THEM? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          NORTH  AS FAR AS THE, THE CODE SAYS OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARY, BUT SAME THING WE DID BEFORE. 
          RIGHT? WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL USE NORTH OF, OF THIS SITE. 
          SO THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARY. 
          UM, EVERYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, AGAIN, UH, TALKS ABOUT NOT HAVING, UH, ANY BUILDING A FILLING STATION, GAS STATION OR WHATEVER, UM, WITHIN 200 FEET OF AN OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARY OR 300 FEET OF A SCHOOL. 
          UH, THEN TALKS ABOUT OIL PUMPS AND GASOLINE PUMPS, TWO RESERVOIR SPACES FOR THE GASOLINE PUMPS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE, THE REST OF IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY. 
          SO IT'S THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          WHEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND WE HAVE TO QUOTE THESE A THROUGH G THAT THEY'RE MEETING THOSE OR SOMEHOW MEETING THOSE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO 
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KNOW THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REFERENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WAS OUT AT THE PLACE. 
          AND MELISSA, UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          UM, FOR PAINTING OBVIOUSLY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHAT ABOUT FUMES WOULD BE SOME KIND OF VALIDATION? HOW ARE YOU GONNA CONTROL THE FUMES? YEP. 
          SO THAT, UM, I'VE GOT CLARK AIR SYSTEMS, UH, IS GONNA BE CONTRACTED. 
          I'M ALREADY WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THEM. 
          UH, SO ALL OF THE, THE FILTRATION IS GONNA MEET THE, THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS THE NFPA. 
          I THINK IT'S 30, UH, UH, THE FIRE UM, AS WELL. 
          SO I SAW THERE'S NOT, YOU HAVE A RESIDENT BEHIND IT. 
          YEP. 
          AND LIKE TO NORTH. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS WITH THE FEW ALSO SINCE I STILL HAVE YEP. 
          IN FRONT OF WAS, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE PARKING SPOTS ON THERE, BUT WHAT ABOUT STORAGE? DRIVING MY CAR THERE? WHERE ARE YOU GONNA STORE MY VEHICLE IF YOU'RE GONNA PAY IT? UM, IN ONE, UH, ACTUALLY THE, THE FRONT LOT THERE IS WHERE ALL OF OUR CUSTOMER, UM, THE PAVED DRIVEWAY. 
          I SAW THAT THAT'S YEP. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S ALREADY DONE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE THE PARKING SPOTS HERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THE BUILDING IS ALSO 50 BY 40 BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY, THE FRONT CORNER WOULD BE WHERE THE PROPOSED PAINT BOOTH WAS. 
          SO ANY KIND OF STORAGE WOULD BE INSIDE THERE. 
          AND THEN I DO HAVE SIX SPOTS THERE IF I NEED AN OVERFLOW. 
          BUT I MEAN THAT, I MEAN, OKAY, BOB, STAYING ON THAT QUESTION, IT'S A GOOD PART ABOUT THIS BEING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU CAN ATTACH REASONABLE OPERATING CONDITIONS. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CARS THEY CAN SOAR ON THE SIDE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OR A STANDARD CONDITION FOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND ALL THOSE IS VERY SMALL SCALE. 
          YOU CAN SAY IT'S LIMITED TO TWO CARS OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE. 
          WELL, RESTORING THEIR EMPLOYEE PARKING SPOTS OF COURSE. 
          LET PUT THE CAR IN THERE. 
          WHATEVER THIS. 
          OH NO, GOOD, GOOD POINT. 
          WHERE DID IT GO? ? I HAVE SOME EXTRA ONES IF YOU WANT. 
          WE PULL ON THE OKAY. 
          NO, THAT THE SHOES ARE ISSUED . 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'LL ALL BE, I MEAN CLARK AIRS THE PROFESSIONAL. 
          I'VE, I CAN GET ANY, ANY LITERATURE ON THAT. 
          I DO HAVE ACTUALLY STUFF THAT EMAILED ALL OF YOU GUYS WITH SARAH AND I'VE GOT, UH, PRINTOUTS WITH ME AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SPECS FOR THE BOOTH. 
          I SAW EVERYTHING. 
          PLENTY SPACE THERE I GUESS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SQUARE FEET SPACE. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YOU ANY EXTRA COPY OF MY MEMO? THE MEMO DOES SHOW THE ZONING, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THE ZONING ALL, BUT IT IS COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY NORTH OF HERE. 
          RESIDENTIAL. 
          IS THIS IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT? THIS IS IN THE CROSS STREET SOUTH. 
          THE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY. 
          IT'S IN THE HAMBURG OVERLAY. 
          YES. 
          IT'S DON'T HAVE THE ZONING MAP UP THERE. 
          SO WHAT'S THAT? SO THE ISSUE I THINK IS, AND I, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT I'M PREPARING IT FOR IS THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, ALTHOUGH IT'S ZONE COMMERCIAL, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE NERVOUS IF THEY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE THERE. 
          SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO SOMETHING HERE. 
          YOU BOUGHT THE ISSUE OF AIR PERMIT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA NEED AN AIR PERMIT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, REMEMBER, WE'RE MOST OF YOU AROUND WHEN WE DID THAT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR OVER ON CAMP ROAD? YEAH. 
          AND THERE WAS THE PLACE ACROSS THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ODORS AND WHATEVER MM-HMM . 
          WE HAVE TO DO. 
          JUST MAKE SURE THEY MADE ALL THEIR PERMITS AS THEY'RE NOT DISCHARGING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY THE BUILDING IS CLOSEST TO THAT RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEP. 
          LOT THAT WELL RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S NORTH OF THE SIDE CHANGES ACROSS THE STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET TOO. 
          COMMERCIAL ON ALL SIDES. 
          C ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN I DON'T, CAN YOU MOVE THE BUILDING FIVE FEET CLOSER TO THE ROAD? SO IT'S 20 FEET FROM YEP. 
          THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE, WE CAN MAKE A NOTE ON THERE. 
          I CAN SIGN IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WE DID WAS WE JUST POSITIONED IT PER WHAT THE SPEC WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO IF, IF YOU NEED FIVE MORE FEET, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          YEP. 
          SO, AND THEN IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME, SOME LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN THE BUILDING THEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TREES BACK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WE'LL DO, YEAH, THERE'S THERE A LOT OF TREES. 
          WE A LOT, THERE'S A BIG FENCE IN THERE. 
          FIVE FENCE FOR RESIDENTS. 
          BUT THE TREES ARE ALL YEAH, I SAW LOT OF TREES. 
          SO I'LL LEAVE AND ESPECIALLY EVEN IF WE CAN MOVE, IF WE MOVE UP FIVE FEET, I CAN LEAVE WHATEVER TREES. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A NICE 
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BOUNDARY. 
          UH, THE ONLY THING I WILL DO IS IF THEY'RE DEAD, THERE ARE SOME DEAD ONES. 
          I'LL TAKE 'EM DOWN AND I'LL PUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT. 
          SO. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THIS IS IN THE SOUTHERN OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS FOR THE SOUTHERN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE HERE? IT'S, UH, LANDSCAPING AND NEW. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING A REZONING, BUT THE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY. 
          YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CRITERIA IF WE GET THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT I'LL GET YOU MEMO ON, ON THE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY. 
          THE WHOLE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TOWN WE COMBINED YEARS AGO WAS LAKEVIEW SOUTHERN, SOUTH CENTRAL. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER SIDE, WE COMBINE COMBINED IT ALL IN ONE SOUTHERN HAMBURG OVERLAY, CONFIRMED YOUR, UH, ASSESSMENT ON THE, UM, THE ZONING AT C TWO NEXT DOOR. 
          BUT THE ZONING IS BETWEEN THE BUSINESS AND THE RESIDENCES. 
          THE SEE RIGHT. 
          SPECIAL USE PERMIT COULD BETTER DIFFERENCE AS HAVE TO BE SO FAR FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          IT'S NOT A DISTRICT, IT'S, IT'S A USE. 
          WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT JUST AS WE'VE CONSIDERED OTHER PROJECTS WHERE ALTHOUGH THE ZONING IS COMMERCIAL, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL USE THERE TO TRY TO PROTECT. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF PUSHING THE, THE BUILDING AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT. 
          MAKING SURE, SEE WE CAN KEEP SOME TREES BACK THERE. 
          UM, AND KEEP THAT SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT USE. 
          'CAUSE THAT COULD BE ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE THAT SOMEONE COULD MAKE A REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          THOSE SEEM TO BE THE TREND. 
          YEAH. 
          I TEND, I TEND TO SEE LESS. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT I TEND TO SEE LESS THE HOUSES THAT ARE PHYSICALLY ALONG SOUTHWESTERN WANTING TO BE REZONED BECAUSE IT YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF I'M AN OWNER OF A HOUSE, I'M GONNA CONSIDER MY OPTIONS. 
          WELL AND THE, IT MIGHT FACTOR INTO CONSIDERATION IF IT'S ON SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE LAND SPECIFICALLY CALLS ALL OUT ALL THE COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THAT PART OF SAYING THAT THEY WILL BE LOOKED AT FOR CHANGES TO THE ZONING THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE C TWO. 
          YOURS WILL OBVIOUSLY SAY C2, BUT ANY ONES THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED WILL BE CHANGED TO SOME OTHER USE GIVEN THREE SAMPLES FOR THE FOUND USE. 
          SO HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED TO DO THOSE CHANGES? AND IS THE WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE CARS? SO BASICALLY YOU I NOTES WITH THE THE NOTES. 
          YEAH. 
          SEND ON THE NOTES. 
          I I CAN GET THAT TO YOU THIS WEEK. 
          I DON'T WANNA HOLD ANYTHING UP. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MOVE THE, THE BUILDING FIVE FEET UP FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND I CAN MAKE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE BUILDING COLORS ARE GONNA BE IDENTICAL. 
          I CAN HAVE FRANK NOTE IT RIGHT ON THE PRINT IF YOU WANT ME TO. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THAT. 
          UM, AND, UH, AS LONG AS HE'S IN TOWN, I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT'LL TAKE A DAY. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO YOU AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE, UH, BECAUSE I'M, I'VE GOT CONTRACTORS, I'M TRYING TO LINE UP HERE. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A LAKEVIEW ROAD. 
          WOULD THAT COUNT AS A COLLECTOR RATHER THAN A MAIN MAJOR ARTERIAL? IT'S NOT A MAJOR ARTERIAL. 
          AND WOULD YOU CALL IT SMALL, MODERATE OR LARGE PEAK HOUR TRIPS? WHAT'S THAT? IS IT SMALL, MEDIUM OR LARGE? PEAK HOUR TRIPS? THIS IS ROUTE. 
          OH THIS IS, THIS IS A SMALL PEAK HOUR TRIP. 
          THIS, THIS DOESN'T GENERATE MUCH OF TRAFFIC AT ALL. 
          TRIBAL. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS A SMALL GENERATOR OF TRAFFIC. 
          THIS, THIS IS 158 FEET RIGHT HERE. 
          THIS IS KIND OF EVEN WITH THEIR ONE DRIVEWAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOW SARAH MENTIONED IN HER MEMO OR YOUR EMAIL, SOMETHING ABOUT A VARIANCE. 
          IS THERE A VARIANCE NEEDED HERE? NOT FOR THIS, NO. 
          JUST, UM, NO, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT ON ME AS A VARIANCE. 
          NOT ON THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SEPARATE. 
          WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SEPARATE WITH THE FRONT LOT, BUT OKAY. 
          THAT'S NOT, NOT FOR THE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THESE DRIVEWAYS ARE A HUNDRED FEET APART AT HILLS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A, IT'S NOT MARKED ON THE MAP UP FAR APART THE, ARE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE MAP. 
          LAKEVIEW ROAD. 
          THERE IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, IS THAT TOWN ROAD NOW? IS IT COUNTY, TOWN? YOU KNOW, NOT STATE KNOW TREES ALONG THE MUST BE IDENTIFIED, PRESERVED SUB BECAUSE WHOEVER IT IS, THEY'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. 
          IT'S TOWN THEY'LL GET INPUT FROM. 
          WE'LL LOOK, IT'S COUNTY ROAD, LAKEVIEW COUNTY. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S A TOWN. 
          I THINK IT'S RIGHT. 
          COUNTY. 
          IS IT? IT'S LAKE LOUIS TOWN COUNTY. 
          SAID ROAD COUNTY. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THE DRIVEWAY SPACING. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOW, IT'S A VERY LOW GENERATOR, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHENEVER YOU HAVE DRIVE TRUE DRIVEWAYS. 
          I MEAN IF YOU ARE ON A STATE HIGHWAY, THE STATE IS VERY PART GOOD ABOUT ALLOWING A SECOND DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY HAVE RULES, REGULATIONS, IT'S A COUNTY HIGHWAY. 
          UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I ASSUME I'LL HAVE TO ASK SARAH IF SHE, SHE'S PROBABLY LISTENING IN WHETHER SHE REFERRED THIS TO THE COUNTY YET. 
          NUMBER 2 39. 
          OKAY. 
          THE APPLICANT'S ASKING I GUESS WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ASKING TO MAKE SOME MINOR REVISIONS TO THE PLANS, THE PLANNING BOARD, ABOUT WHEN THEY WANNA HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND I CAN GET THE REVISIONS SHEET THIS WEEK. 
          SO I MEAN IF OKAY, UM, DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE THIS COMING BACK ONE MORE TIME BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING? I, I THINK IF THEY DO, IF THEY SAY THAT I DO THIS WEEK, I, I I AGREE. 
          HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE NEXT WEEK. 
          I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          CHANGES ARE REALLY MINOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST MY THINGS THAT, THOSE THAT WOULD HELP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT MIGHT ALSO BE HELPFUL JUST FOR THE RECORDS, IF YOU COULD LABEL WHERE THE SEPTIC LEACH FIELD IS. 
          YEP. 
          IF IT'S EXISTING. 
          YEAH, I CAN THAT 'CAUSE THEN THAT'S ON THE RECORD AS TO WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID. 
          YEP, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO YOU MAY WANT TO, WE USUALLY DO THIS FOR LARGE SCALE DEVELOPERS. 
          YOU'RE NOT A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR JUST WILLING TO TALK TO THEM. 
          'CAUSE INSTEAD OF THEM COMING TO THE MEETING MEETING AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I'VE TALKED TO HIM. 
          I'VE KNOWN, LET HIM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL DO THE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING A GOLF CART'S UNLIMITED FOR JUNE 15TH. 
          SO THAT WAY WE'VE GOT SOME TIME IN CASE SARAH HASN'T NOTIFIED THE OTHER AGENCIES YET. 
          RIGHT. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          I ALSO, SO YOU GOT SOME DIRECTION. 
          I ALSO GAVE YOU THE TOWN ENGINEERING REVIEW MEMO. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, HAVE YOUR ARCHITECT ENGINEER CONTACT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE WANT, SO THAT'S JUNE 5TH. 
          THAT'S NOT THE NEXT RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO DO WE WANNA AUTHORIZE, PROBABLY DO WE WANNA AUTHORIZE, IS THIS MINOR ENOUGH THAT WE WANNA AUTHORIZE THE CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT MEETING ON THE 15TH? I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE VOTE ON 'EM, BUT SO ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE LONG, THEY'RE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ONES. 
          YOU WANT SOMETHING DRAFTED IN FRONT OF YOU AS YOU'RE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          OR IF YOU DON'T GET ANY INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN START DRAFTING THAT APPROVAL. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE WAITING ALMOST A FULL MONTH. 
          SO AT LEAST HAVE THOSE APPROVALS READY FOR YOU. 
          EVEN IF WE HELD THE PUBLIC HERE IN TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE APPROVAL. 
          SO THEY'RE ASKING ME TO PUT THE APPROVALS TOGETHER FOR THAT NIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL DO THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I, WHAT I NEED TO DO IS GET YOU THE UPDATED PRINTS MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN, UM, THEN THAT'S IT UNTIL THE 15TH. 
          YOU TALK TO NEIGHBORS THAT WE YEAH, I'LL DO THAT. 
          UM, WE, WE KNOW THE OTHER ONE NEIGHBOR REALLY WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY MET THE ONES. 
          WELL THEY'VE PARKED IN A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WOOD CERAMICS, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 1,440 SQUARE FOOT METAL BUILDING TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO AND EAST OF 2 8 1 1 PLEASANT AVENUE. 
          HI, LAURA WOOD. 
          HELLO. 
          WHAT WE WANNA DO IS PUT UP A 1200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A SIX FOOT PORCH TO BASICALLY HOUSE MY CERAMIC ITEMS. I BOUGHT OUT THE LARGEST CERAMIC SHOP IN WESTERN NEW YORK IN OCTOBER OF 2020. 
          AND I AM NOW RESPONSIBLE TO SUPPLY COLLEGES AREAS B MOSTLY BUFFALO SCHOOLS, BUT AREA SCHOOLS AND SENIOR CENTERS. 
          REC CENTERS. 
          THEY BUY ALL THEIR PRODUCT FROM ME. 
          THEIR CLAY, THEIR PAINTS. 
          QUICK QUESTION FOR HER. 
          DO YOU HAVE DRAWINGS TO SHOW THEM? YOU OH, HAVE SARAH HAD GIVEN TO YOU? NO. 
          OH. 
          NOTHING IN THE FILE. 
          YEAH, SHE HAS, SHE HAD, UH, SEALED THE SEAL PACKET OF ALL THE DRY, SO YES SHE DID. 
          SO SARAH SAYS THAT MUST BOMBER IS PREPARING SITE PLANS AND WILL BE RUNNING. 
          NO, THEY'RE PREPARING THE DRAINAGE PLAN. 
          DRAIN MY DRAIN THE ARCHITECT IS ALL THE SITE PLAN IS HERE, BUT THERE BE A SEAL ENVELOPE THAT I GAVE HER, UM, A WEEK AND A HALF AGO IN THE, A WEEK AND A HALF AGO OR SO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 
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I'M NOT SURE THIS IS, THIS IS VACANT LAND NOW. 
          IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM SHARA MEDICAL. 
          SO IT'S THIS, IT'S THE CORNER TRIANGLE LOT, BUT YES. 
          BUT I DON'T OWN THE TRIANGLE. 
          I DON'T OWN THE, THE VERY CORNER. 
          YES. 
          THE VACANT. 
          YEP. 
          THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN OUR FAMILY ALL MY LIFE. 
          SO, UM, THE EXPANSION OF THIS, THE W YES. 
          YEAH. 
          EXPANSION. 
          SARAH RESPOND. 
          ANYBODY THE DRAWINGS WERE THERE WHEN I LEFT. 
          SHE'S PLANNED THERE. 
          THIS IS THE SURVEY. 
          SHE SHOULD HAVE THEM AS THE ARCHITECT. 
          THEY WERE THERE. 
          YEAH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN A SEAL ENVELOPE. 
          ARE THEY IN HER OFFICE? SORRY, HOLD ON. 
          SO THE PROPERTY THAT'S DESIGNATED COMMERCIALS ADJACENT TO MY HOME, MY RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, AS I SAID, THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN IN OUR FAMILY SINCE THE 1948. 
          UM, WHERE I'D LIKE TO BUILD IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE SHARMA MEDICAL HOSPITAL ONLY. 
          OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD NOT BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THEM. 
          WE DESIGNED IT SO IT WOULD NOT BE DIRECTLY ACROSS. 
          I USUALLY LIKE THE DRIVEWAYS TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS. 
          YOU DO LIKE THEM TO BE, YOU WANNA ABSORB THE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE A TELEPHONE, UH, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTIVE, BUT IT'S THE VERIZON TELEPHONE BOX THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM DIRECTLY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE COULD BECAUSE OF THE TELEPHONE, UTILITIES, DRIVEWAYS OFFSET. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ACROSS, WE PREFER ACROSS BE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE PREFER TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRIVEWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU EITHER LINE THEM UP OR THEY'RE OFFSET BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          WE HAVE TO OFFSET IT. 
          DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE EITHER OFFSET BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR THEY'RE, WHAT'S THE OFFSET LINED? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD. 
          IT'S 45 THEY EVER SAY WHERE THESE STRONGS ARE AND IT'S, I'LL TRY TO LOOK. 
          RIGHT NOW THERE'S A TELEPHONE UTILITY BOX UP DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM SHARMA MEDICAL. 
          WE ALSO HAVE, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE GAS LINE ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          THE MAIN IS ACROSS. 
          IF THEY CHOOSE THAT WE HAVE TO HOOK INTO THE MAIN OR WE COULD POSSIBLY HOOK INTO THE WATER ACROSS ON 20. 
          WE'RE HOPING ON 20. 
          'CAUSE IT'LL BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN GOING UNDER THE ROAD TO THE MAIN. 
          BUT THERE'S A TELEPHONE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTIVE, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A TELEPHONE BOX THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY ON SHARMA. 
          WE KIND OF HAD THEM COME OUT AND MARK WHERE EVERYTHING WAS AND THEN WE KIND OF DECIDED WHERE WE NEEDED TO PUT OUR BUILDING SO WE WEREN'T IMPACTING ANYTHING. 
          MAYBE 40 FEET FROM THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE BUILDING, WE WANT 40 FEET IN LENGTH. 
          IS IT GONNA BE HEATED, COOLED? I HAVE TO HAVE HEATED IT BECAUSE OF THE PAINTS AND THE CLAY. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T FREEZE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE GONNA BE ANY WATER HOOKUP OR IS I'D LIKE THE WATER HOOKUP. 
          I'D LIKE A, LIKE AN EMPLOYEE BATHROOM IN THERE SO I DON'T HAVE TO RUN TO MY HOUSE EVERY TIME I HAVE TO USE THE BATHROOM IS KIND OF WHAT I'D LIKE. 
          SO IN THERE, AND THERE'S, DEPENDING ON THE DRAINAGE AND UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, BASICALLY WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IF I HAVE TO PUT A SEPTIC IN OR IF I CAN HOOK INTO MY RESIDENTIAL SEPTIC. 
          BUT I KNOW IF I EVER SOLD THE PROPERTY, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO PUT A SEPTIC IN. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA YEAH. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL SUBJECT? NO, BECAUSE IT, IT IS A SEPARATE LOT. 
          EVEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO SEE THE SURVEY. 
          I DID BRING ONE WITH ME. 
          THE SURVEY ON THIS ONE, PLEASE. 
           AND CLARK ARE WORKING ON THE DRAINAGE PHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DO HAVE THE BUILDING SPECS WITH ME TO GIVE TO YOU, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THAT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT IN THE FILE. 
          THAT'S FOR BUILDING SPECS. 
          I DIDN'T GIVE THAT TO SARAH YET. 
          WHAT COLOR IS THE BUILDING GONNA BE? THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE BEIGE WITH A, A PATINA TYPE ROOF. 
          IT'S A STEEL BUILDING WITH AN OPEN SIX FOOT PORCH 
          [00:35:12]
FILE IN MY MEMOS. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE DRAWINGS, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND CAMMY DIDN'T HAVE DRAWINGS SO WE DIDN'T REVIEW ANYTHING. 
          SO TRYING TO THINK WHEN I KNOW WE DIDN'T MEET THE DATE BECAUSE SHE WAS OUT SICK. 
          AND THEN WE MET THE FOLLOWING WEEK AND I GAVE EVERYTHING TO HER. 
          OKAY. 
          SHE SAID YOU'D PROBABLY TABLE IT TO THE 1ST OF JUNE. 
          SO THIS IS THE DRAWING. 
          THAT'S THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          I, YES. 
          AND THE SURVEY IS, I HAVE ONE COPY WITH ME OF THAT. 
          THAT'S THERE. 
          HOW BIG IS THE DRIVEWAY GONNA BE OR IS THE PARKING LOT? UH, IT'S NOT THE HOUSE. 
          SIX, UM, IT IT 46 TOTAL. 
          SIX FIVE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SHE'S DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. 
          DO EVERYTHING AT THIS RESIDENTIAL. 
          YES. 
          SO I, TO THE CORNER OF THE BACK CORNER BEHIND WHERE IT SAYS MANN, THAT'S ACTUALLY MY PROPERTY WHERE IT SAYS MANN OWNS THE DEEDS. 
          THAT'S MY SISTER'S. 
          BUT I ACTUALLY OWN THAT PROPERTY THERE AND THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA GO ONTO PLEASANT. 
          PLEASANT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC. 
          UM, MAYBE ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS I GET DELIVERIES WITH A TRUCK. 
          SO OUR DRIVEWAY WILL ACTUALLY GRADE IT TO HOLD, YOU KNOW, THE HEAVIER TRUCKS. 
          SO WHAT'S THE DRIVEWAY TURNING? UM, ARE TRUCKS GONNA BE BACKING INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY PULL IN AND POSSIBLY BACK OUT? BACK OUT? I'M NOT SURE. 
          YEAH, WE TRUCK TURNAROUND SPACE. 
          HOW MANY OF A TRUCK DO YOU PUMP? SEMI. 
          SEMI OR, I NEVER KNOW. 
          I NEVER KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA DELIVER. 
          SOMETIMES THEY DELIVER THE CLAY IN A SEMI, SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE A BUDGET RENTAL TRUCK. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHATEVER THE COMPANY CAN BE BIG DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO, UM, THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES YET. 
          I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN DELIVERING IN MY RESIDENCE BECAUSE I HAVE NO CHOICE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I CAN GET THE COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS THEIR CLAY AND EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS A WORK SESSION. 
          I'M, AND I APOLOGIZE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAVE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS AFTER THE TOWN ENGINEER GETS TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND WE GET TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND GET FORMAL COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          UM, SO WHETHER YOU WANNA SCHEDULE IT FOR TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS, I MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO MAYBE TWO WEEKS WE'RE BACK ON A WORK SESSION AND WE CAN CALL PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          SARAH SAID YOU'D PROBABLY TABLE IT TO THE FIRST AND THEN HOPEFULLY GET THE OTHER DOCKET FOR THE FIRST AND THEN GET YOU ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE THAT'S OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SARAH SAYS WE CAN WAIT FOR THE BUER PLANS TO, UH, I'M HOPING THEY WERE HOPING HAVEN'T DONE TODAY, BUT I KNOW THIS SWAMP, SO YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT ON FIRST NEXT, BUT IT WOULDN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT TO 15TH. 
          15TH GONNA BE FALL. 
          WHEN'S THIS PUBLIC HEARING AFTER? IT'D BE JULY 6TH AND I CAN'T, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF AND OUR MEETINGS REALLY FULL, SO. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WITH CERAMICS TO JUNE 1ST, SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK, BUT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. 
          REVIEW OF THE, AND TO DO THE REVIEW OF THE, OKAY. 
          THANK ALL. 
          IT IS AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          SO WELCOME TO THE MAY 18TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, PLANNING BOARD 11. 
          PLEASE RISE PLEDGE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO SUPPLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA. 
          ESSEX HOMES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ONE ON FOR JUNE 5TH. 
          JUNE 1ST, WHICH THAT IS GONNA BE THE FIFTH ITEM ON THE JUNE 1ST AGENDA. 
          SO JUNE 1ST IS ALREADY FULL 
          [00:40:01]
AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOUR THINGS ON FOR JUNE 15TH. 
          SO, UM, SO FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS VENDORS AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED NEW BANK BUILDING WITH DRIVE UP ATM TO BE LOCATED AT 4 2 5 0. 
          VIRGINIA PARKWAY HAD THE HEARING. 
          DID YOU FORGET IT OR DID HE STEAL IT AT THE LAST ONE? I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE STOLE MY OFF THE LAST ONE. 
          THAT'S ALL THE TIME I REMEMBER. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHERE IT WENT. 
          HEARING LAST, WE SHOULDA HAVE, SO I HAD GOTTEN, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          WE DIDN'T GET OUR FOLDERS. 
          WE NEED OUR FOLDERS THAT IN FOLDER IT'S NOT IN THERE, BUT I DO HAVE, SARAH EMAILED ME. 
          OKAY. 
          DRAFT RESOLUTION. 
          I JUST HAVE, I CAN GO AHEAD FOR COPY, BUT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          THERE'S NO SEEKER. 
          IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION. 
          IT'S JUST APPROVAL AND ANY CONDITIONS YOU WOULD PLACE. 
          IT'S A NORMAL STANDARD. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE, BUT THE STANDARD CONDITIONS ARE, IT'S CONDITIONAL UPON ENGINEERING. 
          UM, AGREE THAT THE, ANY NEW LIGHTING WOULD BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND WE'RE THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY SIDEWALK AT THE ONE LOCATION. 
          THOSE ARE THE STANDARD ONES. 
          IF YOU COME UP WITH ANY OTHER ONES, THERE'S A FRESH SET OF PLANS AND THEY CAN PRESENT THOSE FRESH SET OF PLANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO I DID ASK, UH, DY LOW ON THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD WHO WAS A LANDSCAPER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPECIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I HAD SENT, HE LOOKED AT IT VERY QUICKLY. 
          HE HAD A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SURVIVABILITY OF PLANTS AND I BELIEVE THAT SARAH FORWARDED THOSE TO YOU AND YOU ALREADY UPDATED THEM. 
          YEP. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THOSE SHADE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'VE MADE A COUPLE SPECIES ADJUSTMENTS. 
          BASICALLY. 
          I THINK THERE WERE ONES THAT WERE LESS SALT HARDY AND LESS TOLERANT. 
          AND I DEER TOLERANT. 
          I THINK I DIDN'T DRIVE DEER IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          WE WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE TREE. 
          WE HAD NO PROBLEM STOPPING THEM OUT. 
          SO IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT WAS JUST, IT WAS THE TWO OF THEM. 
          SO, SO YOU HAD ANOTHER CONDITION WOULD BE BASED UPON BENDING THE LANDSCAPE DID VERY GOOD. 
           ARE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT, WELL NOT EVERYBODY HAS IT, SO PASS IT AROUND. 
          WE'LL SEE ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THEY WANNA ADD AND IF THERE ARE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT, WE'LL JUST READ THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO JUST THE THREE STANDARD CONDITIONS, ENGINEERING SIDEWALKS AND, WELL, ONE, NOT DARK SKY COMPLIANT, BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT ON ALL AND ALWAYS HAS THAT RECOMMENDING LETTERS. 
          WE DO THAT WITH ALL OUR PROJECTS NOW ANYWAY. 
          SO YEAH, YOU DO IT WITH ALL YOUR PROJECTS, BUT IT'S STANDARD ONE. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE. 
          DO WE WANNA ADD THAT AS A CONDITION WAS ON THE LIST? IT, IT'S ON AND I'M SURE IT'S IN CAMMY'S. 
          UH, MAYBE NOT. 
          I SAID THAT. 
          YES, IT'S A CONDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT CHASE BANK 4 2 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW. 
          THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT CHASE BANK PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BANK BUILDING WITH DRIVE-THROUGH TO BE LOCATED AT 4 2 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 4TH, 2022. 
          THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SECRET LAW AS TYPE TWO ACTION 6 1 7 0.5 SUB C SUB SEVEN, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SECRET PROCESS. 
          MOTION TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MAY 13TH, 2022. 
          ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST IN THIS AREA. 
          THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK SECOND. 
          SECOND BY NEED. 
          I, IT WAS THERE. 
          I JUST, I GOT THIS ONE. 
          YOU KNOW IT USED TO GO YEAH, YEAH. 
          MCC IT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT POPPED IN, BUT I GOT NERVOUS. 
          [00:45:01]
MS. MCCORICK. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MOTION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS I ALREADY SAID, ESSEX HOLMES IS GONNA BE ON FOR JUNE 1ST. 
          SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS JOSEPH AND KIM JABLONSKI REQUESTING REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 5 5 0 HEZ ROAD FROM B TWO TO RA. 
          WE HAD THIS ON WORK SESSION AND WE HAD A SIMILAR REQUEST THAT WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          SO YEAH, BILL, I WOULD SIMPLY RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE ON IT TONIGHT, IT'S ALMOST THE IDENTICAL RESOLUTION YOU DID FOR, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAY THAT. 
          WELL THAT WAS GOOD. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY, MY QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. 
          IS THIS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE OTHER ONE FOR US TO USE AN IDENTICAL RESOLUTION OR ARE THERE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR CHANGE? IT'S THE SAME. 
          SO THE CHALLENGE, I'M GONNA RECAP FOR YOU WHAT WE SAID THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE YOUR MOTION, OH MY MOTION RECOMMENDED THAT WE APPROVE THE REZONING FOR THE RECENT OUTLINE OF THE MEETING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO OUTLINE HIM. 
          YES. 
          SO, AND THE REASONS THAT I HAVE HERE IS THAT THE REZONING OF THIS PARTIAL THE RA WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT COMPETENCE AND PLAN BASED ON ITS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, INCLUDING EXPRESSLY CALLING OUT AS A GOAL AND OBJECTIVE, THE PROTECTION OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FROM ENCROACHMENT BY INCOMPATIBLE USES. 
          JEN IDENTIFIED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, YOU HAD AGREED WITH THAT AND YOU ALSO, UH, BILL NOTED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN USES PERMITTED IN THE C TWO DISTRICT THAT DID NOT SEEM CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD NOT BE SAFE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ATTRACT PEDESTRIANS TO THAT SIDE JOB LESS. 
          UH, MARRE HAD INDICATED THAT THE C TWO ZONING DOES NOT PERMIT RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AND APPLICANT HAS BEEN LIVING ON THE PROPERTY FOR MANY YEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT THE LAND USE IS NOT MATCHING THE ZONING. 
          UM, AND IT ALSO NOTED THAT THE LAKEVIEW DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE RURAL, RURAL, RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF LIFE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I THINK THAT THOSE WERE THE KEY. 
          OH, MR. MAHONEY HAS STATED THAT THE REZONING WOULD BE CORRECTING OR WRONG. 
          UM, AND TO GET THINGS IN LINE WITH THE USE OF THE, AND I SAW OUTSIDE THE RECORD, I STATED THAT THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SHOULD BE READY IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS AND I CAN SAY YOU CAN USE EXISTING DRAFT. 
          PEOPLE HAVE SEEN IT CALLS THIS AREA FOR CHANGES TO THE ZONING. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO I MOTION BY MR. MCCORMICK. 
          YEP. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING, SARAH CAN GET THE, I THINK NEXT TIME BOARD MEETING IS THIS COMING MONDAY. 
          SHE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE RESOLUTION IN BY TOMORROW AT NOON. 
          SO LEMME KNOW IF SHE NEEDS ANY HELP. 
          SARAH, THAT RESOLUTION MIGHT BE IN BY TOMORROW. 
          SHE MAY HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. 
          SHE'S SO EFFICIENT. 
          MY PHONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SHE ALREADY SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION TO THE TOWN CLERK FOR THIS TO BE ON THE TOWN BOARD AGENDA AND TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SIX SIX. 
          I KNEW SHE WAS BORN FIRST. 
          TOOK ME MORE TIME TO FIND MY PHONE THAN IT DID PRESERVE EVEN HER PHONE. 
          SO JUNE 6TH? YES. 
          JUNE 6TH. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID BURKE REQUESTING REZONING OF A PORTION OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD FROM C TWO TO NC IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A WORKFORCE RENTAL HOUSING PROJECT. 
          THE ONLY TIME YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WAS BACK IN A COUPLE, FEW MEETINGS AGO. 
          IT WAS A, UM, I HAD A WORK SESSION ITEM WHERE THEY PRESENTED THE IDEA AND WE TABLED IT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          IT WAS ON APRIL 20TH. 
          UM, I'VE GOT COPIES OF THE SET PLAN AND PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. 
          IF SO, I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING ON THE 20TH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE WORK. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND GIVING A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SURE. 
          [00:50:04]
WHAT WORKING WITH, UH, DAVID BUR IS THE, THE SELLER WE'RE THE CONTRACT THEN HES, UH, , WE'RE PROPOSING A 70 UNITS, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY, UH, ZONE, THE COMMERCIAL ZONE, I BELIEVE IN C TWO. 
          UH, LOOKING IN ORDER TO, UH, INSTRUCT THE, UH, PORT HOUSE AND MULTIFAMILY WHILE, UH, WE WENT TO THE, THE CODE COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY AND THEN WE PRESENTED AT THE TOWN BOARD. 
          THE TOWN BOARD FOUND THAT THE, UH, PROPOSAL HAD MERIT AND REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION AND REVIEW. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU, SORRY, WHEN YOU SAID WORKFORCE HOUSING? YES. 
          YOU MEAN, UM, INCOME CONTROLLED HOUSING? IT'S, IT IS INCOME. 
          IT'S INCOME LIMITED HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S PROPOSED IS 70 UNITS WITH ACCESS OFF OF RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          TWO ACCESS POINTS, UH, WOULD BE SEVEN 10 UNIT BUILDINGS WITH TWO TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND TWO, THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS. 
          NO, TWO ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND SIX TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND TWO, THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS EACH, UM, ALL THE UNITS WOULD HAVE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES. 
          SO THERE'D BE NO COMMON AREAS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE, UM, THE SITE. 
          THERE'S A COMMUNITY BUILDING WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, A MANAGER'S OFFICE, A COMMUNITY ROOM, A FITNESS ROOM, AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE SPACE. 
          UM, AND ANTICIPATED THAT THERE'D BE, UH, A PLAYGROUND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT, UH, THAT THAT BUILDING. 
          SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD, I BELIEVE, UH, WAS LOOKING FOR, FOUND THAT THE, THE, UH, APPLICATION HAD MERIT IS LOOKING FOR THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW THIS. 
          THE TOWN BOARD WOULD TAKE, WOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY ON THE B ZONING. 
          UM, OUR ENGINEER PASSER WENT THROUGH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE CODES FOR AN NC AND THIS SHOULD BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THAT. 
          UM, ASSUMING THE REZONING GOES THROUGH, THERE'D BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'D BE COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW WITH, YOU KNOW, FULLY ENGINEERED DRAWINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, THE PLAN BECOMES THE ZONE. 
          NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A NO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS JUST, UH, WHY THEY CHOSE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL'S, A COMMERCIAL ZONING, BUT IT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT ALLOWS R THREE, UH, USES. 
          SO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ALLOWS SMALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND R THREE, R TWO R ONE LOT. 
          SO, AND THAT'S WHY WE CAN GO TO THE TEMPORARY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ON THE CO COMMITTEE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT DO WITH SUCH A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL REZONING. 
          AND IT IS STILL A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PART. 
          BUT THE IDEA WAS WE STILL HAD COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT THAT COULD ALLOW THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. 
          I WASN'T AT THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL AREA, WE NOTED THAT, UH, THE WOODS OF BAYVIEW HAD A SIMILAR REZONING TO AN NC. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, FOLLOW IN THAT FOOTSTEPS AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH SOME EXISTING PRECEDENT. 
          WHAT DID THAT GO FROM THROUGH TOO? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT DID THAT PROJECT GO TO? FROM N FROM WHAT TO NC? WHAT WAS IT? IT'S C THE, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ON C TWO. 
          NO, BUT HE, HE, HE REP REFERRED TO I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A REZONE. 
          UM, I DO HAVE IT IN MY FILES. 
          IT MAY VERY WELL DIDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, A C TWO. 
          IT WAS NO, I'LL GIVE YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS OBVIOUSLY NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE, FOR A MAJOR REZONING YOU HAVE TO DO A REPORT. 
          I'VE STARTED THAT REPORT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF BLANKS IN THERE, BUT I STARTED IT FOR YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE OTHER BIG ISSUE ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT LENDS TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED IS THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS A SUBJECT OF A REZONING AND A REZONING FROM C ONE. 
          IT WAS C ONE, IT GOT CHANGED TO C TWO AND THERE WAS A GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT DONE WITH THE GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          THERE WAS A FINDINGS MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD AND THE FINDINGS, I, WE COULD ALWAYS CONVERT THEM INTO A FINDINGS FORM. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS FINDING FORM, I THINK IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND NOT ONLY RECOMMEND THE REZONING THROUGH THAT REPORT, BUT ALSO RECOMMEND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IN SEEKER, TO BE HONEST, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE REALLY TWO CHOICES WITH SECRET AT THIS POINT. 
          [00:55:01]
UM, YOU EITHER HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE FINDINGS, WHICH I WOULD FIND IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT, OR BASED UPON THE REPORTS AND STUDIES TO DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS. 
          THE THIRD OPTION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO DO, IS A SUPPLEMENTAL GENERIC ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          SO THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE THREE CHOICES. 
          OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE HOPING, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE HOPING THAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT THIS PROJECT IS IN CONFORMANCE. 
          'CAUSE ALL THE STUDIES WERE BASED UPON THIS BEING A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THE BEST YOU COULD DO IS DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS WHERE YOU WOULD ASK THEM FOR ADDITIONAL STUDIES AND SAY, WHY THIS CHANGE DOES NOT IMPACT ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO DO THAT. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THAT CASE FOR THAT. 
          WHAT DO WE DO FOR THE CAR WASH? AS FAR CAR WASH? WHAT DO WE DO FOR THE CAR WASH? FOR THE CAR WASH ZONING, RIGHT? THERE WAS NO REZONING. 
          WHAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD TO DO FOR THE CAR WASH WAS THEY HAD TO DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS BECAUSE A CAR WASH, THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWED IN THIS BUSINESS PART. 
          SO THE TOWN BOARD AMENDED THE FINDINGS TO ALLOW CAR WASH, LOOKED AT THE, THE IMPACTS OF IT AND DID THAT AMENDED FINDINGS. 
          THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REZONING. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS WITH REZONINGS WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD TO PLACE ON. 
          THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT TO MATCH IT INTO THAT BUSINESS PART. 
          MY CONCERN, AND I I RAISED IT BEFORE IS THE FACT THAT, OKAY, ARE WE CHANGING THIS BUSINESS PART OVER TO A RESIDENTIAL OR IF WE'RE GONNA MIX RESIDENTIAL IN THERE, MAKE SURE THE USES ARE COMPATIBLE, ESPECIALLY THOSE USES THAT ARE GONNA GO IN NEXT TO THIS, THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS MARK, WE HAVE A CAR WASH NOW AT LEAST THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THIS. 
          HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS SITE COMPATIBLE? WELL, I, THIS WHAT'S THAT? I, I'M THINKING THAT AT THIS POINT WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS BUSINESS PARK SINCE THE GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, THAT IT DOES ITS OWN INDEPENDENT SEEKER REVIEW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WE WOULD JUST, IT'S JUST BEEN TOO MANY. 
          JUST DISREGARD THAT GENERAL BIS AS YOU'D HAVE TO DO A, A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, I'M SORRY DENNIS, BUT PRETTY EXTENSIVE AMENDED FINDINGS WITH THE SUPPORTING STUDIES AND REASONING WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN RELOOK AT THE HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK AS WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT GUYS? 'CAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE IN THERE IS NOT BEEN WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR THAT PART. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IF MR. BURKE WERE HERE, HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT BASICALLY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MARKET, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR 20 YEARS LONG. 
          A BAD THAT IT'S HAPPENED THAT WAY OR JUST NOT. 
          I'M SORRY, YOU QUESTION? YEAH, NO TO COMMENT. 
          MY COMMENT IS THE CARWASH IS STILL A, A BUSINESS IF IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT BUSINESS APARTMENT. 
          IT'S, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING A CAR WASH TO A DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU'RE COME AND REZONED AND, AND NOW, TO BE HONEST, I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE IN BERKELEY WHO HAVE QUESTIONED EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA OF THE SITE, QUESTIONING HOW IT FITS INTO THE CHARACTER. 
          IT MAY BE BETTER, THEY MAY LIKE IT BETTER, IT MAY NOT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA QUESTION ON HOW IT FITS INTO IT BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS QUESTION WE HAD, YOU'VE EVER BEEN AROUND, THERE WAS A TINSEL TOWN PROPOSED FOR THIS, RIGHT? IS A PROPERTY LOOKED AT THE GEOTECH FOR THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          SO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS CHANGING. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLANNING EXERCISE TO SAY HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK IF THIS IS GONNA GO FORWARD? WELL, THE, THE BOARD ALLOWED THE CARWASH TO GO IN THERE. 
          THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT FROM BUSINESS DEPARTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S STILL A BUSINESS DEPARTMENT, SO WE GOTTA CONSIDER THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR IF THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE, MAYBE IT'S THAT A PORTION OF THE PARK MAYBE CAN BE RESIDENTIAL AND A COURSE CAN BE, I'M JUST GIVING YOU OPTIONS. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WHOLE BUSINESS PARK OVER TO RESIDENTIAL OR ANY TYPE OF FLAVOR. 
          UH, IT IT'S, IT'S HAS COMMERCIAL USES IN IT. 
          SO GUYS DISCUSS, ASK QUESTIONS. 
          YOU'RE HAVE TO BUILD THIS RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          THE TOWN BOARD. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THE, THE THE SECRET ACTION THAT YOU DISCUSSED, DOES THAT OCCUR AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL? THAT OCCURS AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL, BUT THEY MAKE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE AN INVOLVED AGENCY. 
          THEY ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVAL POWER OVER THIS PROJECT ON SITE PLAN. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD WHO'S THE LEAD AGENCY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I MEAN, SO WE WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THAT AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'LL BE A REVIEW. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN PART BASED UPON THE, THE CODE COMMITTEE, WHICH YEAH. 
          SAW MERIT IN THIS, THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD'S, ALL MERIT, MERIT IN THIS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          THE TOWN BOARD. 
          SO MERIT EXPLAIN TO ME. 
          SAW MERIT. 
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OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO, SO MERIT IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION, YOU CAN HAND, THERE'S ONLY ONE THING YOU CAN DO IN A COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CAN HAND THAT REZONING APPLICATION BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND SAY, WE, WE WILL NOT CONSIDER THIS. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO CONSIDER THIS. 
          THE OTHER OPTION THEY HAVE IS TO ENTERTAIN IT OR SEE MERIT IN IT. 
          DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GONNA APPROVE IT. 
          MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I WRITE THE RESOLUTIONS, I SAY, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT, WE JUST WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION. 
          YOUR JOB IS TO GENERATE THAT MORE INFORMATION AND THEY GET FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD. 
          THIS IS A QUITE A BIG CHANGE. 
          SO THEY NEED A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HELP THEM GENERATE THAT TO MAKE THAT RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO OUR QUESTION TONIGHT IS WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DO WE WANT FROM THE APPLICANT WE CAN USE TO HELP US DECIDE WHAT TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT TO GIVE TO THE TOWN BOARD? SO WHAT OTHER THINGS DO WE WANT TO KNOW? HOW MANY, ARE THERE MAXIMUM NUMBERS OF OCCUPANTS TOTAL PER UNIT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED? IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TOTAL OCCUPANTS THAT COULD LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, WHAT'S THE RATIO OF PARKING SPACE TO POTENTIAL OCCUPANTS, UH, PARKING SPOTS AT 1.5 PER UNIT MAXIMUM OF OCCUPANTS? AND THIS IS BY RECOLLECTION, TYPICALLY IN A, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A THREE BEDROOM UNIT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE, THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD, WHETHER THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL OR A COUPLE. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, YOU WOULD EXPECT NOT TO HAVE MORE THAN FOUR CHILDREN OCCUPYING, UM, A THREE BEDROOM UNIT. 
          UM, TYPICALLY THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON DIFFERENT SEXES OCCUPYING THE SAME BEDROOM. 
          SO, SO FOUR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PRESUME EITHER ALL GIRLS OR ALL BOYS OR TWO BOYS AND TWO GIRLS. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM. 
          THAT'S NOT TYPICAL. 
          AND YOU HAVE 105 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. 
          1.1 0.55, 1.5. 
          PARKING SPACES PER UNIT ALLOCATE 105 TOTAL PARKING SPACES. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES, IS THAT INCLUDED WITHIN THAT? OR IS THERE SEPARATE EMPLOYEE PARKING? I THINK IT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN IT. 
          THERE, THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE TWO EMPLOYEES. 
          THERE WOULD BE A, UH, AN OFFICE MANAGER, COMMUNITY MANAGER AND STAFF. 
          YOU SAY THERE'S GONNA BE CHILDREN HERE? YES. 
          I, I ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'LL BE CHILDREN. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY RECREATION AREA. 
          I, I, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I, WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY ROOM WITH A FITNESS ROOM AND I POINTED TO THIS AREA, I SAID I FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'D BE A PLAYGROUND THERE. 
          IT'S ALSO ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT LANDSCAPING WILL BE GONE THEN THIS IS, THIS IS A S SC THIS IS A SCHEMATIC. 
          IF THERE'S GONNA BE A PLAYGROUND HERE, THESE TREES WOULD NOT BE THERE. 
          THIS IS A PRETTY PICTURE THAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS DUCK DID. 
          AND AGAIN, WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THIS, THIS BOARD WITH A FULLY ENGINEERED, UH, PLAN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD INCLUDE IDENTIFYING THE TYPE OF PLAY EQUIPMENT, HOW IT'S FENCED AND WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED. 
          NOW THERE'S GONNA BE CHILDREN THERE. 
          WILL BUSES BE, HAVE YOU CHECKED TO SEE IF FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL GO IN THERE AND PICK THOSE KIDS UP? OR WILL THEY HAVE TO? I I, I'VE NOT, I'VE NOT CHECKED THAT. 
          I FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD, I I I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          RILEY BOULEVARD WAS SPECIFICALLY PUT IN THAT PURPOSE AND AS A TOWN ON ROAD, IN FACT, THE SCHOOL BUSES USE RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          I'M ASSUMING THE SCHOOL BUS STOP, IF THERE WAS CHILDREN THERE WOULD BE ON RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          PROBABLY WOULD BE MY GUESS. 
          BUT IT GOOD TO CONFIRM IT, TO CONFIRM IT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON HOW THEY WOULD SERVICE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK GO IN THE MORNING. 
          YEAH, IT'S PRETTY AND HAVE A BUS, A SCHOOL BUS HAS STOPPED THERE. 
          IT'S GONNA YEAH. 
          HAVE TO STOP ON RILEY. 
          YOU COULDN'T STOP ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHY RILEY, RILEY BOULEVARD SET UP TO, UH, RELIEVE TRAFFIC PRESSURE ON BAYVIEW AND, AND, UH, DENNIS, IF, IF THE, IF THE REZONING WENT IN, IT CAME BACK TO US FOR SITE PLAN, WE COULD, AND IT WAS CAITLIN'S IDEA REQUIRE A WALKWAY TO THE SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT TO IT. 
          SO A LOT OF THE KIDS COULD, IF YOU HAD HAD A LITTLE WALKWAY THERE, THEY COULD WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I FULLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS 
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AND ASSETS OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. 
          IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL, UH, AND THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THERE, BUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS JUST DON'T NEED TO TAKE A CLASS. 
          THE, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FIND WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, IT'S NOT AGE RESTRICTED, BUT IF A PERCENTAGE OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE SENIOR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WE FIND THAT THIS IS ATTRACTIVE TO HOUSEHOLDS REALLY AT THE BEGINNING. 
          AND THEN THE ECONOMIC LIFECYCLE, AND THIS IS A CHASE, THIS IS, THIS IS WALKING DISTANCE TO THE CENTER. 
          SO THESE, THESE ARE AMONG THE FACTORS WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, AT, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED THIS AS A SITE THAT WAS, THAT MERITED A REZONE AND WOULD BE VERY SUITABLE. 
          THERE'S UH, THERE'S A BUS LINE, UH, UM, OH YEAH. 
          BUT THAT BUS LINE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTH PARK. 
          YOU HAVE ONE ON THE CORNER YEAH. 
          OF SOUTHWEST. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIKE FOR SOMEBODY IF THEY DON'T DRIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S A, IT'S A BUS LINE AND, AND THE NATURE OF THE BUS LINE THAT COMES DOWN SOUTHWESTERN PEOPLE GET OFF THE BUS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WALK OR GET PICKED UP, UM, BY FAMILY MEMBERS. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROXIMATE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PROXIMATE TO, YOU KNOW, A A RESIDENT RESIDENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO SERVE PEOPLE WHO EITHER CAN WALK OR GET PICKED UP AND GET SHUTTLED, BUT IT'S CLOSER TO A BUS LINE THAN A LOT OF OTHER, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS AND, AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN, IN THE TOWNS. 
          SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I MEANT IT'S A BIT LIKE IN, IN, IN TRYING TO FIT THIS PROJECT INTO THE FINDINGS COMPARE, IT'S A BIT LIKE FITTING A ROUND PEG INTO A SQUARE HOLE. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE A WHOLE SECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER IMPACTS AND THE NEWS, UH, THE NOISE IMPACTS YOU, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. 
          THE HARD PART IS IT WAS FOR A BUSINESS PARK, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATION OF RESIDENTIAL USE GOING IN THERE. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE VERY GREAT. 
          MIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NOISE ISSUE IS INTERESTING. 
          THE NOISE ISSUE IS NOT THAT THIS IS GONNA GENERATE NOISE, IS NOW PUTTING A RESIDENTIAL USE AND A BUSINESS PARK THAT COULDN'T GENERATE NOISE. 
          WE KNEW THE CAR WASH GENERATED NOISE, BUT WE KNEW THE RESIDE WERE FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT THE CAR WASH WASN'T GONNA BE A HUGE PROBLEM. 
          BUT YOU DO HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE OTHER USES THAT ARE NOISE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAVE TO WORK WITH MR. BUR ON. 
          THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT YOU GOTTA PROTECT THIS, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A RESIDENTIAL THERE, YOU CAN PUT AVOID THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS EX DOOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN I BAR WASH WAS NOISY ENOUGH. 
          THERE IS NO, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BILL SAID BEFORE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THIS, ANYTHING THAT'S GONE IN HERE HAS NECESSARILY BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF A BUSINESS PARK. 
          AND THAT  CONSIDERED THIS PROJECT ON ITS OWN IS ITS OWN STANDALONE SEEKER ANALYSIS. 
          BECAUSE WE CONTINUALLY, EACH PROGRESSIVE PROJECT IS HARDER AND HARDER TO FIT INTO THE ORIGINAL FINDING STATEMENT AND IS NOT PART OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY EVALUATED. 
          IT'S JUST SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT, AND AGAIN, ALLOWABLE SEGMENTATION THAT YOU PULL THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT OF THE GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT FINDINGS THAT BASICALLY SAY WE'RE DOING OUR OWN SEEKER ANALYSIS AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND A NEGATIVE DECK OR POSITIVE DECK FOR, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN OPERATE IN A VACUUM AND IN THAT NEGATIVE DECK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS A BUSINESS PARK AND STILL GONNA BE DEVELOPED UNLESS, I MEAN, WOULDS IMMEDIATE PLAN. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          PROPOSE THAT EACH PROJECT, LIKE THE, THE TREND OF THE MAJORITY OF THIS BUSINESS PARK HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS A BUSINESS PARK. 
          AND THEN GOING FORWARD, EACH PROJECT AND PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN SECRET. 
          WELL CORRECT YOU ON THAT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          I MEAN, TRACTOR SUPPLY WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WENT IN THERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THIS APPROVAL WAS THE TRACTOR SUPPLY. 
          AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT'S GONE IN THERE IS THE CAR WASH. 
          AND ALL THEY DID WAS, AND THE, AND THE APOLLO CONCRETE PILE CONCRETE HAS GONE AWAY. 
          I THEY'RE NOT BUILDING, WE GOT THE CREDIT. 
          WHAT'S THAT CREDIT? SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THE FOLLOW COUNTRY I FOUND OUT FROM SARAH IS GONE. 
          IT'S WITHDREW. 
          IT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I JUST FOUND THAT OUT TOO. 
          I'M CONCERN, I JUST, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT REZONING. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS AN INTERESTING POSITION, YOUR HONOR. 
          WE KNOW THAT THIS, THEYVE BEEN TRYING TO, FOR 15 YEARS, MARK THIS AS A BUSINESS MARK. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN WORKING REAL WELL. 
          THE LAST TWO PROJECTS HAD TO INVOLVE A, A CHANGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE CONFERENCE MIND 
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ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CHANGES TO THIS AREA. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A C TWO BUSINESS MARKET ANYMORE. 
          I MEAN, ORIGINALLY PLAN WAS, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MORE OFFICE SPACE OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AT THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, SO YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGES. 
          IS THIS A GOOD CHANGE THAT'S UP THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD THROUGH A PROCESS TO SAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, IF I MAKE A DECISION ON THIS REZONING, IT'S GONNA AFFECT HOW AFFECTS THE REST OF THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          I CAN'T HAVE THE REST OF THE BUSINESS PARK BE THE CAR WASHES AND OTHER THINGS AND WHATEVER. 
          IT'S PROBABLY GOTTA BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THAT POINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BAD, I JUST THINK THAT THAT WHAT WAS ENVISIONED THERE AND THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE TREND OF WHERE THINGS ARE GOING. 
          AND THEY, WE NEED A FRESH, THE TOWN BOARDS TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND EVALUATE IT WITH LIKE A WELL, YEAH, WELL, THE TOWN BOARD, I MEAN THEY, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING, SHOULD HAVE DID IT WHEN THEY PUT THE CAR WASH IN AND JUST TOOK AWAY THE BUSINESS PART TITLE AND JUST MADE IT JUST OPEN COMMERCIAL. 
          BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T. 
          SO IT, IT INDICATES TO ME THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO RELINQUISH THAT. 
          AND THEN I KIND OF AGREE WITH THEM. 
          IF THAT'S THEIR THEORY, I SHOULD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE THINKING BECAUSE WE ONLY, WE ASKED, WE ONLY ASKED THEM TO DO ONE THING AND IF THEY DID, RIGHT, WELL, THEY HAVE SAID ONE THING TO YOU, AS I SAID, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, THEY HAVE AN OUTRIGHT SAID NO. 
          THEY SAID, GENERATE MORE INFORMATION FOR US SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECORD. 
          THEY DIDN'T COME OUT AND SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          THEY COULD HAVE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          IT'S CLEAR RECORD. 
          THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, MARK. 
          WE DON'T WANNA PUT RESIDENTIAL. 
          THEY SAID, HEY, GIVE 'EM A CHANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY SAID IT HAS MERIT. 
          MERIT IS DIFFERENT THAN JUST GIVE IT A CHANCE. 
          IN MY MIND. 
          NO, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE WRITE 'EM ALL. 
          THEY ALL SAY, OKAY, WELL I DON'T WRITE THEM. 
          I READ LANGUAGE HAMBURG, EVERY ONE OF THEM SAYS IF IT HAS MERIT OR NOT. 
          THE MEETING, I THINK AT THE CODE REVIEW MEETING THAT I, THAT I ATTENDED AND I WAS THERE, THERE, THERE WAS THERE WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO PURSUE THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S, OKAY. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW BEFORE WE YEAH, JUST DID CHRIS HALL HAVE ANY INPUT INTO THIS? IF YOU WANT CHRIS HALL'S INPUT, I WILL GET CHRIS HALL'S INPUT PLEASE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU, YOU GENERATED INFORMATION. 
          I MENTIONED ONE THING. 
          I WENT THROUGH THE FINDINGS. 
          I NEED SOME KIND OF IDEA OF NOISE BECAUSE IF WE HAVE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL USES, I'M SURE THIS HOUSING I HAVE REQUIRE, YOU DON'T WANT NOISE THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA OCCUR. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. 
          THE TRAFFIC PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT SHOULD BE OKAY. 
          BUT, 'CAUSE THEY PUT IN RILEY BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS THE SPECIFIC CONDITION 15 YEARS AGO TO CHANGE THAT. 
          BUT IT WOULDN'T BE BAD TO HAVE AN UPDATE. 
          I BELIEVE REMEMBER BEFORE, BEFORE RILEY WENT IN, THAT WOULD BACK UP AND THE POLICE WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT THERE WITH THE SCHOOL LET OUT. 
          THEY'LL GET PEOPLE ON AND OFF, OFF SOUTH PARK. 
          IT HAS WORKED BETTER, BUT WE SHOULD JUST DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT. 
          UM, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS IN HERE, UH, YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT OF THE COVERS THIS, UH, FINDINGS, DEALS WITH, UH, CHARACTER, THE AREA, LANDSCAPING OR WHATEVER. 
          HOW DOES IT FIT IN? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN SOME VISUALS, NICE LOOKING BUILDING, BUT HOW DOES IT FIT INTO IT, FIT INTO THAT AREA? ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO LOOK INTO? SO CHRIS HALL WILL LOOK INTO, I'VE ASKED THE APPLICANT LOOK AT THE NOISE ISSUE. 
          UM, YEAH, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED. 
          SO I, I KEEP STUMBLING OVER THIS COMMUNITY CHARACTER IMPACTS BECAUSE THE DESCRIPTION DOESN'T JUST DOES. 
          IT'S COMPLETELY APPLICABLE. 
          SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHERE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE REZONING. 
          YEAH, I WANNA, I WANNA REASON THE EXPLANATION OF HOW THIS PROJECT FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND, AND NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT IT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S A BIG QUESTION, BUT I, I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME TYING IT TO A SPECIFIC PROVISION AND FINDING, BECAUSE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY INAPPLICABLE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU BROUGHT UP EARLIER ON THERE, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT THE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHILDREN, RECREATION AREAS, ET CETERA. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE AREAS THAT ARE PROTECTED. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA THAT'S AN INSIDE A COMMUNITY BUILDING. 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S STILL GONNA BE A BUSINESS PARK, I DON'T WANT KIDS WALKING AROUND ON RILEY BOULEVARD IN A BUSINESS PARK. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER, PEOPLE WHERE, BECAUSE THERE MAYBE A, EVEN A FENCED IN AREA WHERE, WHERE KIDS COULD THROW A BALL AROUND IT, WHATEVER. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE INTRODUCING RESIDENTIAL INTO WHAT STILL IS A BUSINESS PARK. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO CHANGE THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO CHANGE ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE IDEA, THE WALKWAY TO THE, THE SCHOOL IS, IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. 
          AND THEN ALSO JUST HOW ARE PEOPLE 
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GONNA MOVE KIDS AND PARENTS MOVE SAFELY AROUND THE SITE WITHOUT, WITHOUT, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMERCIAL SITE. 
          WELL, I FULLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED US TO THIS SITE WAS ITS PROXIMITY TO THIS SCHOOL CAMPUS AND ITS PROXIMITY TO THE SENIOR CAMPUS. 
          I FULLY ANTICIPATE, NOT NECESSARILY THAT I WANNA PAY FOR A SIDEWALK, BUT I FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'D BE, THAT THERE'D BE CALLS FOR A SIDEWALK THAT, THAT, THAT GOES PAST THE SENIOR CENTER OUT, UM, OUT TO SOUTHWESTERN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IF, IF THE PROJECT WENT THROUGH, YOU COULD ALSO WORK FROM TOWN. 
          FROM A COST STANDPOINT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT EOG STILL HAS, UH, A PROGRAM FOR WALKABILITY AROUND SCHOOLS, UH, THAT PROVIDE GRANT MONEY TO SIDEWALK SCHOOLS RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          HERE YOU BETTER BE CONNECTING IT. 
          WELL, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM THE SCHOOL TO THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOT ALONG THE ROAD. 
          IF YOU CONNECTED IT TO THAT ONE, THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD CONNECTIVITY HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN CONNECTING THIS WITH, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE BERKELEY, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT GONNA INTERACT? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA WALK SCHOOL, THEY'RE GONNA WALK TO NEARBY SHOPS, THEY'RE GONNA WALK. 
          IT'S F**K. 
          BUT THEY DO HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF ODDS AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO WOODY'S. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOODY'S WOODY'S IS GOING ACROSS THE STREET CURRENTLY. 
          I HEAR, AND AGAIN, I LIKE TO TELL INTERESTING STORIES. 
          BERKELEY SQUARE, YOU BROUGHT IT UP. 
          THAT WAS AN AWARD-WINNING NATIONAL, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AWARD-WINNING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AREA ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          WELL, AFTER 15 YEARS OF THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO GET ANYBODY COMMERCIAL INTO BERKELEY SQUARE, THEY CONVERTED IT ALL INTO RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING THAT THEY HAD, THEY HAD A SIMILAR CONCEPT. 
          IT WAS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALL DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THERE SUPPOSED TO BE A DOWNTOWN AREA WITH A STREET WITH BUSINESSES ON EITHER SIDE AND, AND THEY COULD NOT GET BUSINESSES TO GO THERE. 
          I'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER, OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. 
          THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITHOUT HAVING A CRYSTAL BALL, I ANTICIPATE THAT, THAT THERE'D BE LESS INTENSIVE USES ON THE, THIS SIDE OF RILEY AND TEND TO HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH TRACTOR SUPPLY AND THE CAR WASH ON, ON SOUTHWESTERN IN THAT CORNER BETWEEN RILEY AND BABY, YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. 
          THAT IT WOULD BE LESS, LESS INTENSIVE. 
          I LESS INTENSIVE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A CAR WASH THERE. 
          I DON'T SEE A TRACTOR. 
          I DON'T SEE A BIG DETAIL OPERATION. 
          BY THE WAY YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IT WAS ON A PREVIOUS AGENDA. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN THERE TO PUT A, A STORAGE FACILITY OUT FURTHER TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN . 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          INTERESTING MIX OF USES STORAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M HOPEFUL IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS BOARD CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS BE REVIEWED AT THE, AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL AND WHATEVER, UH, INPUT AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THEM, UH, IN THEIR REVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND THEN ASSUMING THAT THIS GOES FORWARD, REONE IS APPROVED, WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD, UH, FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, UH, AND ANY INTERACTION WITH THE, UH, SCHOOL SENIOR CENTER SIDEWALKS AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN THE BUS STOPS. 
          ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'D WANNA KNOW? SO THEY DID THE SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM. 
          IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THE LONG FORM WITH MORE OF THE INFORMATION, WHICH WOULD THEN ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO ROOF THAT JEB SUGGESTED WE WOULD NEED A FULLY A AND DO THAT WAY AND JUST READ IT AS A SEPARATE, THAT WAS YOU THAT SUGGESTED I THINK IT WAS I SUPPORT THAT IDEA OR NO, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ROUTE TO GO IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THE OTHER ROUTE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO ATTACH STUDIES TO THE FINDINGS TO TRY TO DOCUMENT HOW IT FITS THOSE FINDINGS OR DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS. 
          WE HAVE TO AMEND THE DOCUMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AMENDMENT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IN THE, SO, SO, SO WE WANT A FULLY AF WE WANT INFORMATION ON NOISE. 
          DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC ZERO OR YEAH. 
          SOME UPDATED INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC. 
          YEP. 
          NOISE TRAFFIC INPUT FROM CHRIS HALL. 
          YEP. 
          GOT THAT. 
          WHAT ELSE DO WE THINK WE WANT? UM, RECREATION, HOW THEY'RE GONNA PRO, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE INDOOR COMMUNITY, BUT TYPICALLY I THINK THE CODE REQUIRES FOR R THREE THAT YOU HAVE OUTDOOR, SOME OUTDOOR RECREATION SPACE. 
          SARAH SAYS SHE ALREADY HAD STARTED A COORDINATED REVIEW WITH THE SHORT FORM. 
          WITH THE SHORT FORM, BUT I 
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THINK WE WANT THE LONG FORM. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN REQUEST. 
          AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          WELL, THEY WERE REQUESTING INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. 
          THEY WOULD MAKE THE SECRET DECISION. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON REZONING AND THE SEEKER. 
          SO WE WOULD WANNA SEE THE FORM BEFORE WE SAID, AND WE THINK SEEKER SHOULD BE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE DEATH. 
          SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY SEE THE FORM. 
          AND THE FULLY F HELPS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GENERATE THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS. 
          IT'S GONNA ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS WE WERE ASKING ABOUT. 
          AND, AND, UH, IT WANTS SOME, A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU BELIEVE THIS FITS IN COMMUNITY CHARACTER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW IT FITS IN WITH EITHER THE, THE DRAFT AND THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE O CONFERENCE PLAN BASICALLY CALLS THIS FOR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AREA. 
          DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AVAILABLE AT THIS POINT IT BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS? FEW WEEKS? WELL, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S POSTED DRAFT, WELL, THERE'S INFORMATION PROPOSED. 
          THERE'LL ACTUALLY BE A DRAFT PLAN WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS FOR PEOPLE WILL START COMING UP. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I I VERY DRAFT, I I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAPS AND PIECES AND QUESTIONS AND THIS, IS THIS ON THE MAP, THE SPECIFIC MAP OF THE DRAFT CONFERENCE PLAN WHERE WE CALL ISSUE AREAS AS THE, AS THIS BUSINESS PARK CIRCLE AND SAID, NEEDS TRANSITION PLANNING. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S IT TRANSITIONING TO DOING? WE JUST NEED A PLAN TO SAY, AND THAT'S MORE OF A BIG PICTURE OF ALL THE PROPERTY. 
          WHAT DOES THIS TRANSITION TO? WE CAN'T JUST KEEP TAKING INDIVIDUAL PIECES. 
          WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? IF IT'S GONNA TRANSITION TO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT SOME OF THE OTHER USES. 
          PROBABLY WOULDN'T ALLOW THE CAR WASH, BUT AT THIS POINT THERE'S A CAR WASH THERE. 
          SO, SO A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHEN YOU SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I TOUCHED ON THIS THE LAST MEETING. 
          UM, THERE'S NO GUIDELINES ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          PEOPLE THAT ARE ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE SOMETIMES RELY ON FREEZE RENTAL PROBLEMS. ARE THERE ANY GUIDELINES THAT RESTRICT THAT, THAT PEOPLE ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE OR STIPEND STIPENDS OR FIXED INCOMES OR WHATEVER THEY, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE SUFFICIENT INCOME EITHER THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE OR STIPENDS OR WHATEVER TO A, TO AFFORD TO RENT THESE UNITS. 
          SO IS THERE A BASED, A MAXIMUM GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, GENERAL AC ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS FOR RENTAL HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE A, IS THERE A MAXIMUM OR A MINIMUM THERE'S A MAXIMUM, UH, SIMILAR SPACE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE HOUSEHOLD? IT DEPENDS, CORRECT. 
          IT GOES BY DEPENDENT, IT GOES BY INCOME, IT GOES BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT CRITERIA. 
          NO, THESE, THESE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS. 
          SOMETIMES THESE RUN UP AGAINST FAIR HOUSING ISSUES, BUT, BUT, UM, TRUE. 
          IS IT 10% FOLLOW THROUGH THIS WITH THE BOARD? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LINKED TO GEO. 
          UM, I'LL GET THAT ONE, I'LL GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED BY CHRIS HALL. 
          THAT'S CHRIS HALL'S JOB. 
          OKAY. 
          IS TO SAY, HOW DOES IT MEET THIS CRITERIA? IT HAS TO DO WITH MEDIUM HOUSEHOLD INCOME, ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GET HIM TO DO AN EXPLANATION TO THE YEAH. 
          COURSE IT'S ADJUSTED BY FAMILY SENSE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE JUST FOR CURIOSITY STATE, WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN WHO LIVES IN THE HOUSEHOLD OR WHATEVER. 
          IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S JUST CURIOSITY. 
          THEY DESCRIBED IT AS WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          WE'RE JUST CURIOUS ON WHY, WHY IT'S CALLED WORKFORCE. 
          I NEED THE DEFINITION OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH, BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR DISCRIMINATION. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM, AND YOU, I CAN TELL YOU GENERALLY THAT I ANTICIPATE THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA BE FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH INCOMES BETWEEN 30,000 AND 50,000 DEPENDING ON FAMILY SIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO I GUESS THE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE WOULD NOT FALL INTO THAT. 
          WOULD NOT FALL INTO THAT. 
          THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS AND HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE TENANT-BASED SECTION EIGHT CERTIFICATES, WHICH, WHICH IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON INCOME THAT THEY, THAT IF THEY PRESENTED THAT TO US AND THEY WERE INCOME QUALIFIED BASED UPON, BASED UPON THAT, UH, CERTIFICATE THAT THEY HAD, GOOD RENTAL HISTORY, THEY HAD GOOD CREDIT HISTORY, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL TENANT. 
          AND BY THE WAY, DENNIS AT THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IT AND THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, SARAH SENT IT TO YOU A MAP AND A MEMO THAT YOU SUBMITTED ABOUT THE AREA AND WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT WAS, I'LL ALSO GET A COPY OF THIS FOR YOU JUST DESCRIBED. 
          WHAT'S THAT? THAT WAS ABOUT THE MARKET AREA. 
          YEP. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WE'VE GIVEN A PRETTY GOOD LIST SO FAR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO ADD TO THAT LIST? NO. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE YOU TO GET ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER? UM, THE ONE, I HAVEN'T BEEN TAKING NOTES, SO I, I HAVE TO REVIEW. 
          I I'M 
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GONNA NEED TO REVIEW THAT. 
          AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE PREPARED AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL? WELL, ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WE WANT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, NOT WHATEVER BE PROVIDED IN TOWN BOARD BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON HOW WE PUT TOGETHER OUR MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD. 
          THIS BOARD IS TYPICALLY THE BOARD THAT GETS ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE TOWN BOARD WANTS ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION SO THEY CAN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, PRESENT THE PROJECT AND MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION. 
          SO WE GENERATE THAT INFORMATION FROM THE TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO IN TERMS OF WHAT THE TIMEFRAME, UH, FOR THOSE DELIVERABLES WITH DAVE. 
          SO WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE DAVID BURKE REZONING TO JULY 6TH, SECOND. 
          SECOND MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. BOBSINE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          SO BE PROCEEDED JULY 6TH. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT OUT SO FAR, TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT MEETING. 
          THAT WAY THEY ALL CAN GET IT BEFOREHAND. 
          BE NICE TO HAVE TWO WEEKS. 
          THE DEADLINE IS A WEEK BEFORE, BUT TWO WEEKS IS GONNA BE A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          YOU'RE HOPING THEY MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON JULY 6TH. 
          SO  BE, AND, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE GET INFORMATION INCREMENTALLY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GET SURE. 
          THAT WAY? THAT WAY YOU CAN BE REVIEWING IT AS IT COMES IN. 
          IT GOES TO SARAH. 
          SARAH GETS IT OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SINATRA AND COMPANY REAL ESTATE REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOP THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER IM EXCEPTION, CONVENT INTO, OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANNA GRAB YOUR EASEL AND YOUR BOARD? OKAY. 
          UH, INTO MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK. 
          A HI EVERYBODY, I'M TIM MASON WITH PHYLA REPRESENTING SINATRA AND COMPANY. 
          TONIGHT WE HAVE MATT AND ANTHONY. 
          MATTS WITH SINATRA AND COMPANY AND ANTHONY'S WITH WOOD DESIGN. 
          UM, I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A REFRESHER ON THE PROJECT, UM, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AT MEETINGS BEFORE, BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSAL KNOWN AS COVENANT GARDENS AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK, WHICH IS THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AND SEOS, THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER CONVENT. 
          UM, SINATRA AND COMPANY IS PROPOSING THE REDEVELOPMENT INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND, UH, SENIOR HOUSING, INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS. 
          UH, WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE DONE BEFORE THIS BOARD A FEW TIMES BACK LAST SUMMER AND THEN BACK IN FEBRUARY ON SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION, AND THEN FILED THE FORMAL FORMAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION IN MARCH AND APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD ON APRIL 6TH. 
          UM, WE GOT SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PROPOSED SIGNAGE FOR THE CO. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THIS BOARD, UM, I UNDERSTAND CIRCULATED LEAD AGENCY PACKAGES AFTER THE MEETING. 
          AND THAT 30 DAYS HAS SINCE PASSED. 
          WE'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS FROM AGENCIES, SHIPPO, DEC, AND ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWERAGE MANAGEMENT. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE, UM, RESPONSES RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT THE GOAL FOR TONIGHT WOULD BE TO RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY MOVE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, PROJECT DETAILS. 
          ANTHONY CAN RUN THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, BUT THE SITE CAN I I THIS ALSO BECAUSE, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          NO, FOR YOU EXPLAIN JUST ON THE RECORD, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS PLAN APPROVED ON THE NUMBER ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE. 
          THAT WHOLE PROJECT'S BEEN DROPPED, RIGHT? THAT THAT APPROVAL IS NO LONGER IN PLACE. 
          THEY'VE ASKED FOR THAT TO BE BROUGHT. 
          SO THIS IS THE NEW PLAN FOR THE OVERALL SITE. 
          THAT WAS JUST THE ONE END OF THE SITE AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR RESIDENTIAL MIX OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. 
          AND THAT'S DROPPED. 
          RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHOLE SITE RESTARTING AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS STILL ACCURATE FROM THE 20 FROM MARCH? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO WHEN HE SAYS RESTARTING, HE MEANS THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT THIS IS STILL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT LAST SUMMER'S SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION AT FEBRUARY. 
          AND THAT'S ALL STILL ACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES OF THE OVERALL SITE. 
          IT'S ZONED R THREE. 
          YOU'VE GOT HILBERT, UH, COLLEGE LOCATED TO THE NORTH. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING ACCESS TO THE PROJECT VIA FOUR FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAYS, ONE ON SOLES, UM, ONE OFF OF FAIRGROUNDS DRIVE, AND THEN TWO ON SOUTH PARK. 
          AND THOSE ARE LINE UP PRETTY CONSISTENTLY WITH THE EXISTING ACCESS DRIVES. 
          THE TWO ALONG SOUTH PARK ARE PRETTY 
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MUCH IN THE SAME SPOT WHERE THE TWO ARE THERE. 
          NOW THE ONE ON SOS WE ARE REUSING AS IS. 
          WE ARE CLOSING, UH, ANOTHER ONE ON SOS AND JUST HAD THE ONE AND THEN THE NEW ONE ON FAIRGROUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 125 UNITS OF SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE IN A THREE STORY BUILDING ALONG SOUTH PARK. 
          UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT WILL BE MET WITHIN THAT BUILDING. 
          THERE'LL BE 10% OR 27 UNITS INTERCOURSE THROUGHOUT. 
          THAT WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WE ALSO HAVE 136 UNITS PROPOSED OF MARKET GRADE APARTMENTS. 
          AND THOSE WILL BE INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE IN 17 BUILDINGS. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE LANDSCAPE BERMS ALONG SOLES ROAD. 
          UM, ONE QUESTION THAT CAME UP DURING SKETCH PLAN THAT WE EXPLAINED AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL WAS THERE WILL NOT BE A SIDEWALK ALONG SOLES BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH. 
          IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 
          UM, ANTHONY'S TEAM HAVE LOOKED INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL, THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH PARK, CORRECT. 
          UM, OVERALL, WE ALSO ARE RETAINING THE EXISTING, UM, SKILLED NURSING FACILITY THAT SERVED THE CONVENT. 
          IT'S JUST UNDER 58,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, WE WILL BE CONVERTING THAT INTO WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING CALLED THE THRIVE CENTER, WHICH WILL SERVE AS AN URGENT CARE CENTER FOR SENIORS. 
          UM, THE SITE ALSO HAS OVER 68,000 SQUARE FEET OF PROPOSED RECREATION AREAS. 
          AND THERE WILL BE A TRAIL NETWORK WHICH WILL CONNECT TO HILBERT. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S COLLABORATION POTENTIAL WITH HILBERT. 
          THERE'S DISCUSSIONS ONGOING. 
          WE'LL PROVIDE THIS BOARD WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WE HAVE IT, BUT THAT TRAIL NETWORK WILL CONNECT TO HILBERT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I THINK ANTHONY HAS, UM, SOME OF THE PRINTOUTS OF THE PROPOSED SIGNS SO FAR. 
          SO THIS IS STILL, THE SIGN IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED. 
          UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU INITIAL LOOK. 
          THIS WILL BE FURTHER BUILT OUT WITH ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING AND A BROADER RENDERING. 
          UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF A FIRST LOOK TO GET THE INITIAL TAKE. 
          MATT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING FURTHER ON THAT. 
          YEAH, IT WASN'T MY, UH, TOP DESIGN TEAM. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAD, WE HAVE MADE THE INITIAL SIGNAGE. 
          UM, FIRST I WORK WITH WASN'T, UH, WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR THIS ONE, BUT IT'S KIND OF A WORKING PRODUCT. 
          IT'LL BE REALLY NICE WITH SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME LIGHTING, ET CETERA. 
          THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH WHEN THEY WERE SENDING ME IT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, OBVIOUSLY PERCENTAGE DIRECTION AND UM, BASICALLY JUST KIND OF A GENERAL THEME. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN'T, UH, WORK PAST I'M SURE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME UPLIGHTING AND KIND OF BEAUTIFY THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. 
          SO AGAIN, ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THAT TONIGHT? WE'RE OPEN, UM, AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT DESIGN AS WELL. 
          UM, AGENCY COMMENTS. 
          WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM SHIPPO, FROM DEC, FROM DIVISION OF SEWERAGE MANAGEMENT. 
          SHIPPO RESPONSES ARE IN PROCESS. 
          UM, WE ARE WORKING ON AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR DEMOLITION. 
          ALSO, WE, UM, THE MOST OF THE SITE HAD A PHASE ONE A AND PHASE ONE B COMPLETED ON IT BACK IN 2018 AND WAS CLEARED FROM AN RPO PERSPECTIVE. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME PORTIONS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING DISTURBANCE ON THAT WERE NOT EVALUATED AS THAT. 
          SO WE'RE IN THAT. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING AND ADDING TO THE PHASE ONE A ONE B TO ADDRESS THOSE AREAS THAT WEREN'T COVERED. 
          UM, ON THE DEC AND DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT COMMENTS, THE MAIN COMMENT IS THE COMPLETION OF A DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO AGAIN, UM, LOOKING TO RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK TONIGHT AND HOPEFULLY MOVE TO SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I KNOW YOUR AGENDAS ARE GOING UP. 
          THINGS THAT WE'D ASKED FOR BEFORE, AND I DON'T RECALL IF IT WAS JUST ON THE PRIOR PROJECT THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED OR IF IT WAS LAST SUMMER, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN AS PART OF THE RECREATIONAL SPACE AND TO DO A GARDEN IN THE NAVY. 
          NOT A AS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT THERE'S THOSE BERMS THAT ARE PROPOSED AROUND SOULS ROAD. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I THINK IT'S THE OAKS THAT IS JUST UP SOUTH PARK THERE, WE'VE HAD REALLY POOR LUCK WITH BERMS AND VEGETATION SURVIVAL. 
          SO MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE REPLACE THE BERMS AND DO A BETTER JOB WITH AND KEEP IT GRADED AT EXISTING GRADE AND JUST DO A BETTER LANDSCAPING JOB. 
          AND THAT THE SURVIVABILITY OF THOSE PLANTS MAY BE BETTER WITHOUT THE BERMS ALONG IN SOLES. 
          UM, IF, IF THAT'S PREFERRED, I THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE THE MIGHT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ORIENTATION OF THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS IN THE LAST PROJECT. 
          IT, IT MAY HAVE. 
          AND THERE WAS A HUGE, THERE WAS AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A LARGE STORMWATER POND THAT WAS NEAR THE ROAD, WHICH WAS ALSO NOT DESIRABLE. 
          BUT I THINK THE GOAL FOR LANDSCAPING IS TO HAVE IT SURVIVE AND THRIVE AND DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          AND I THINK A GOOD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CAN PROBABLY DO A BETTER JOB THAN PUTTING THE BERMS IN WITH SCREENING AND HAVING IT LOOK NICE. 
          ALSO, IF YOU COULD 
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PUT THE BURNS IN, I'M ALSO SORT OF WONDERING IF WE CAN LOOK AT A SIDEWALK BUT HAVE IT SET FURTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD AND WHERE THE DITCH ARE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE COULD GO FROM DITCH TO BURN, I WOULD REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO PUT A PATH OR A SIDEWALK IN THAT IS FURTHER SET BACK TO THE ROAD, UM, THAN THE DISH. 
          YEAH. 
          LANDSCAPE INTO THE SIDEWALK INSTEAD. 
          BER, YES. 
          SO THAT'S A PRETTY CONSENSUS DECISION I WOULD THINK. 
          GET RID OF THE BERMS. YEAH, I LIKE THAT CONCEPT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THE BERM COULD BE ELIMINATED AND STILL HAVE LANDSCAPING AND FIT A SIDEWALK IN IT BETTER WITHOUT THE BERM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SIDEWALK I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN AND AROUND . 
          AND I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN THOSE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK THE TRAILS, THEY'RE GONNA GET UP AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY BE GOING SOMEWHERE. 
          THE GOAL IS TO JUST WALK ON THE AVAILABLE, THE PATHWAY IS TO WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GET THEIR, GET THEIR WALK IN WHEN THE WEATHER PERMITS. 
          AND THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, UM, AROUND THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER AND GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT AND MOVE AND GET, I THINK WE WERE JUST TRYING TO, THE, WE WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BACK OF THE, ARE THOSE THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURES FACING ONTO SOS ROAD? AND WHAT DO, DO ANY OF THE DRAWINGS SH DO WE HAVE A DRAWINGS THAT SHOW WHAT THE BACK OF THOSE STRUCTURES WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          FACING, FACING THE SOS BECAUSE YOU HAVE STRUCTURES OF RESIDENT STRUCTURES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THAT ARE FACING THE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE THAT AREN'T FACING THE ROAD. 
          SO AS LONG AS WE BREAK UP THAT MONOTONY THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE BACKS OF HOMES FACING ALL ALONG THAT HIGH. 
          SO I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY TALKED ABOUT BURNS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO NOT LOOK AT THE BACK OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE SI THINK IT MIGHT. 
          SO LIGHTING. 
          YEAH, THAT TOO. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WAS WITH THE OTHER BIG ISSUE WAS WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE TREES ALONG AS PARK . 
          I KNOW, I LOVE THOSE TREES. 
          I MEAN THEY TODAY AND I WAS LIKE, IT'S WHAT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THAT CORNER, THOSE SIGNATURE TREES. 
          SO I MEAN, SOME OF THEM ARE POOR SHAPED, THE REST OF 'EM AREN'T BACK SHAPED AT ALL. 
          I MEAN, AND THAT'S, AND AND PERHAPS SOME SORT OF LONG TERM PLAN TO GROW UP SOMETHING BEHIND THEM THAT WILL BE IN SIMILAR STYLE AS THEY DIAL. 
          ARE ALL THOSE COMING AGE OUT ? ARE ALL THOSE COMING DOWN OR WHAT'S THE IDEA OF THIS? HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GETTING, UM, I WHERE SOUTH PARK, SOUTH PARK ALONG SOUTH PARK HERE, THERE'S A ROW OF TALL PONDS, LINE OF PINE TREES. 
          YOU CAN'T MISS THEM. 
          I WOULD, I MEAN THEY'RE PROBABLY TURNED OFF ON OUR PLANE HERE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THEY LINE OFF WITH THE SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAYS AND WHATNOT. 
          BUT IF, IF WE CAN SAVE ANY EXISTING TREES, WE CAN. 
          I MEAN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LITERALLY IN A LOT, THEY'RE LIKE TWO, TWO LINES. 
          SOMEONE THEM YEAH. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN TO KEEP, TO KEEP THEM, YES. 
          PRIOR MEETING AND THEN, UM, JUST, SORRY. 
          NO, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO SCHEDULING. 
          UM, AND THEN REGARDING THE KIND OF COMMUNITY GARDEN PIECE, UM, HILBERT IS TAKING LIKE COMPLETE, NOT OWNERSHIP, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE GROTTO AREA AND THEY'RE GOING TO BEAUTIFY THAT AND, BUT THE STUDENTS WILL BE VERY ACTIVE ON SITE, UM, AND REALLY KIND OF PLANTING AND, AND IT'LL BE KIND OF AN ACTIVE GARDEN AREA. 
          I WAS MORE THINKING 'CAUSE YOU HAVE SENIORS WHO ARE DOWNSIZING AND KNOW, MOVING INTO A BUILDING WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE OUTDOOR SPACE, THAT PEOPLE COULD COME AND HAVE THEIR OWN LIKE GARDEN SLOTS SO THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT'S TRUE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE SMALL. 
          SEEMS TO WORK OUT IN A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. 
          BUT THEY LIKE THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL TOO, IS TO REALLY KIND OF MERGE THE, UM, THE STUDENTS AT GILBERT AND THEN HAVE THEM BE INVOLVED ACTIVELY WITH THE, UM, THE OTHER COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          SO LIKE, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT ON THE TABLE. 
          I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS, IS THE URGENT CARE THAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY HAVING IN THERE, IS THAT DESIGNED ONLY TO ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THIS FACILITY? AND THEN MY QUESTION TO DREW IS, IS THAT FIT WITH THE ZONING, HAVING AN URGENT CARE AS PART OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? SO THE URGENT CARE REALLY IS NOT THE EXACT TERM. 
          IT'S REALLY WE'RE GONNA PROGRAM IT TOWARDS KIND OF LIKE A, UM, LIKE CATHOLIC HEALTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH SOME TYPE OF PROGRAMMATIC, UM, BASICALLY SERVING KIND OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE 120 SENIOR LIVING AREA. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE HAVEN'T REALLY FURTHER DEFINED THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE LIKE, KIND OF LIKE IT'S A CARE. 
          I BELIEVE THE R THREE ZONE ALLOWS INSTITUTIONAL USE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE AN INSTITUTIONAL USE. 
          YEP. 
          HOSPITAL OR INSTITUTION. 
          WHAT YOU THINKING IS, BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS INDEPENDENT LIVING, BUT THAT WOULD BE ASSISTED LIVING IF YOU HAD NURSING CARE AND EVERYTHING ON SITE, CORRECT? YES. 
          BUT IN THE BUILDING, THERE IS NO ASSISTED LIVING LIKE IN THE, IN THE HUNDREDS UNIT. 
          NOT, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S INDEPENDENT LIVING. 
          THIS WOULD BE KIND OF AN AUXILIARY EFFECT, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE NURSES OR THE WELLNESS CENTER OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH NURSES OR WHATEVER, SOME KIND OF YES, YES. 
          HEALTHCARE. 
          SOME KIND OF HEALTHCARE, YES. 
          HEALTHCARE 
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RELATED, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE SERVING THE POPULATION HERE AS WELL AS ANYONE OUTSIDE THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T REALLY NAILED DOWN THE TENANT YET FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'VE HAD ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ASSISTANCES OF HILBERT AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KINDA THE GENERAL THEME THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING FOR. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE RELATIVE PARKING FOR BOTH WHAT YOU HAVE THERE AND IF THERE'S DESIGNATED PARKING TO SERVE. 
          SO SAY SOMEONE LIKE CATHOLIC HEALTH OR FLIGHT OF HEALTH CAME IN AND WERE OPERATING AT, WHERE WOULD THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK AND WHERE WOULD ANYONE WHO MAY NOT LIVE THERE WHO WAS USING IT, SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE, UH, THE NUN ACROSS THE STREET, IF THEY WERE GONNA COMING OVER OR SOME OTHER, SOMEONE ELSE IN THE TOWN WAS COMING TO GET CARE THERE OR . 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UNDER THE TOWN'S CODE, THEY APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES BASED UPON YOUR, SO SUBMIT A SMALL REPORT SAYING WHY YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, SO MANY ARE FOR THE RESIDENTS BASED UPON THIS VISITORS. 
          OTHER THINGS JUST PROVIDE THAT SO THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION AND SAY, YEP, THAT'S, WE DON'T WANT THE SITE OVER PARKED AND WE DON'T WANT IT UNDER PARK. 
          SO TRY TO MAKE IT EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY YOU BELIEVE THE PARKING IS SUFFICIENT. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE OLD ZONING CODES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES AND IT MAKES SENSE SOMETIMES. 
          SO ANTHONY, DO YOU WANNA JUST RUN THROUGH THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE SO FAR? YEAH, WE PROVIDE, UM, WE, WE DESIGNATE 96 SPACES TO THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, 373 OPEN PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          UM, AND THEN ANOTHER 80 SPACES IN GARAGES DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE ON SMALL REPORT. 
          WE CAN COME DOWN WITH JUST PUT IN A SMALL REPORT SAYING THIS IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL JUSTIFY THE NUMBER OF LIVING UNITS TO PARKING. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT SOME EXTRAS FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, VISITORS, EMPLOYEES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HOW, HOW, WHERE WOULD THEY BE PARKING TO ACCESS THE FACILITY? YOU KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR THE CENTER HERE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PRETTY SUFFICIENT PARKING HERE THAT'S NOT REALLY ADJACENT TO ANY OF THE APARTMENTS. 
          SO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THAT TO BE EMPLOYEE PARKING THERE. 
          UM, AND WE, WE COULD KIND OF JUST TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THE SITE AND, AND JUSTIFY ALL THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE GRO YOU SAID ARE, ARE YOU STILL GONNA MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE GROTTO OR WILL THAT BE OVER? YES, CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COLLEGE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S COVERED. 
          YES. 
          WE DON'T WANNA SEE IT JUST FALL APART AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, UH, SOME KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING DEGREE. 
          YOU ARE MAINTAIN, YOU ARE MAINTAINING THE GROTTO YES. 
          IN IN COORDINATION WITH THEM. 
          SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THE GROTTO AND THERE'LL BE AN EASEMENT WITH HILBERT FOR THEM TO USE IT. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SO THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS, THEY WOULD TAKE MAINTAIN, SO THEY, WE'LL MAINTAIN IT FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DAY-TO-DAY MAJOR OPERATIONS. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY'LL HAVE THE OPTION TO BE PLANTING AND TO BEAUTIFY IT MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT IT WILL WE'LL BE RETAINING OWNERSHIP. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'LL BE PART OF OUR, OUR EXISTING MAINTENANCE. 
          SO OUR DECISION ON THIS IS SITE PLAN. 
          SEE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE 30 DAY PROCESS. 
          WE'VE GOT THE STANDARD RESPONSES. 
          SO KEVIN'S GONNA HELP US WITH WATER, SEWERS, STORM WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEY HAVE TO RESOLVE THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH DOT. 
          OBVIOUSLY MAKING A LEFT ON THE SOUTH PART THERE, IT'S DIFFICULT AT TIMES. 
          UM, UH, YOU'RE NOT ADDING, YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING CURB CUT ON SOUTH PARK OR YEAH. 
          THESE TWO CURB CUTS ARE IN THE SAME SPOT AS THE TWO EXISTING. 
          THEY'RE NOT, YOU WON'T REQUIRE A, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THOSE IN ANY WAY THAT THE DOT'S GONNA IMPROVE. 
          SO IT'S REALLY JUST YOU EXPLAINING TO US THAT THIS IS GONNA WORK. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE CONVENT DIDN'T GENERATE THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE GONNA GENERATE. 
          AND JUST MAKE SURE, I'M SURE YOU'VE LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTS AND CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF IT ON THE SOUTH MARKET. 
          SO WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC SEARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS IN THERE. 
          YEP. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          SO THAT'S THERE. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM SHIPPO, IT'S MORE THE, I BELIEVE THE, THOSE ESOTERIC ISSUES THAT ARE IN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THE SPECIFIC ENGINEERING ISSUES. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GET SIGN OFF FROM SHIPPO. 
          I'M SURE THE BUILDING IS ELIGIBLE FOR STATE DESIGNATION. 
          I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING OUT WHETHER IT, IT IS, UH, HAS ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS, BUT ARE THERE THOSE, THOSE MORE DIFFICULT ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS DEAL WITH, WHICH IS CHARACTER, COMMUNITY, THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH PART TWO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD TRAFFIC. 
          SO COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST, UM, ARTICULATE FOR ME WHAT AESTHETIC THIS IS, UH, GOING FOR? I MEAN, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A FIRST STAB. 
          I WAS TALKING ABOUT GROUND SIGNS, UM, 
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AND I WAS KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM AND I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE IT, UH, VIA PHONE. 
          SO THIS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE REALLY AT ALL? NO, I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T SAY SO. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY PRODUCED. 
          I WENT BACK, I RECEIVED THREE SEPARATE RENDERINGS. 
          I WASN'T REALLY PLEASED WITH EITHER, ANY OF 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          TOTALLY HONEST. 
          BUT, UM, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFICS ON WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AS WELL. 
          I KNOW, UM, WATER WAS MENTIONED THAT THE LAST MEETING, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INPUT SPECIFICS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WE CAN HELP, YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH CAVI WATER, SEWER, STORM WATER, ALL THOSE DRAINAGE, UH, I MEAN ENGINEER, UM, UH, GRADING ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          CAM WILL OH, THE SIGN I DON'T, BEFORE HAVING A RIGHT WHERE SOS IN SOUTH PARK COME TOGETHER, THERE GONNA BE WATER WATERFALL AT RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA PUT UP SOME FORM OF A, A GUARD RAIL. 
          IS THAT WORKS? GUIDE RAIL? YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS ONE. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE HAD THE POND, THE, THE DRAINAGE POND THERE. 
          SO WE WANTED LIKE A FOUNTAIN IN THE POND, BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE POND THERE. 
          SO I ALSO WANTED THE ATRIUM, WHAT THE ATRIUM THAT WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO, WE WERE GONNA HAVE DO THE ATRIUM WHERE THE GRO THEY WERE, DO IT DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THE SIGN OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A VERY WELL TRAFFICKED CORNER, UM MM-HMM . 
          AND UH, AND IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, I THINK I WOULD, I MEAN IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE ANOTHER STEP AND GET SOME MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED THAT I LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          MULTIPLE BIDS I GUESS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          I USUALLY HANDLE THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOMEONE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THE AREAS IS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL, UM, TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE SURROUNDING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          AND I THINK I HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WOULD BE, UH, REQUESTED. 
          WELL BILL, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BIG DECISION TONIGHT IS WHETHER YOU'RE READY TO CALL THE HEARING. 
          SO WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS STAY ANSWERED BEFORE WE GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING? REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS EVALUATING, FIRST OF ALL THE ADDITIONAL SIGN RENDERING, LOOKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SIGN, EVALUATING THE ANALYSIS OF PARKING, WHY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT'S JUSTIFIED, AND THEN EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN TAKE DOWN THE BERMS, MOVE IT BACK AT A SIDEWALK AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH TREES AND SOME TRAFFIC INFORMATION. 
          WE IS, WILL THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS GENERATE CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE TO AN EXTENT THAT WE SHOULD WAIT ON A PUBLIC HEARING? OR IS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE, EVEN WITH WHAT CHANGES MIGHT HAPPEN WHEN WE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WE SHOULD GET THE PUBLIC'S INPUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I MEAN, THE QUESTION OF THE BURNS AND THE SIDEWALKS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK IT CHANGES THE, UH, I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T DEFINE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU, YOU'RE AS I KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS FROM RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE IT, FOUR WEEKS OUT, I THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE IF MOVE THEM ANYWAY. 
          OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF WE, IF WE HAVE CHANGES DRAW. 
          WELL, AND THERE'S ALSO THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET, WERE PROBABLY THE IMPETUS FOR THE BERM THE LAST TIME AT A PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY. 
          SO DO WE WANT GET THE INPUT AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE GO TOO FARM AND, AND STUFF? SO I WOULD, BECAUSE THE BER I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE, UM, A, A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN AND IF WE COULD HAVE RENDERINGS OF WHAT THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN REPLACING THEVES AND VEGETATION WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO THAT THE, I THINK WE WOULD WANT THAT AHEAD OF A, A PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT HAVING NOT CLOSELY LOOKED AT ALL THE LANDSCAPING, AND I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND I'LL GET, UM, GUARDIAN FROM THE CAPITAL AT IS PREFERENCE FOR NATIVE PLANTS, IF WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THE CONSERVATION BOARD DID HAVE A MEMO. 
          I DUNNO. 
          UM, WE CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT TOO, THAT, UM, THEY HAD A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD. 
          UM, I HAVE IT HERE IF YOU NEED ME TO READ IT. 
          UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE RENDERINGS, YOU WANT RENDERINGS OF BERM AND NOBERT OR JUST FIRMS REMOVED? NO, I THINK NO BERM. 
          I THINK THE PREFERENCE IS NO BURN. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH A WELL DONE LANDSCAPING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE SIDEWALKS THERE, SO IT'LL LOOK NICE SIDEWALK LANDSCAPING IF, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING, SO BASICALLY YOU WANT A RENDERING OF THE BACK OF THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK FROM WITH THE, WITH THE VEGETATION SIDEWALK, WITH THE VEGETATION, WITH THE, WITH THE GROWN VEGETATION. 
          NOT JUST IN THE BACK OF BUILDING, LIKE, LIKE HOW IT 
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WOULD LOOK IF YOU LIVED ACROSS THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT WE DO ALREADY PROPOSE, AND AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THOSE BERMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING FOR EVEN MORE THAN THAT, OR, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN. 
          LIKE PUTTING STUFF ON TOP OF A BER YOU MIGHT, AESTHETICALLY YOU START TO LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BECAUSE THE, YOU MAY WANNA MIX SOME SHRUBS AND THEN TREES SO THAT THERE'S A GREATER GROUND COVER ON THE BOTTOM SO THAT IT'S A DEEPER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LAYER OF THINGS GOING THERE TO PULL, WELL THIS, THIS WAS PREPARED BY LANDSCAPE MARKET TYPE AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          BUT IF IT'S JUST A RULE OF TREES ON TOP OF A BERM, I DON'T THINK THAT PROVIDES THE SAME LEVEL OF SCREENING. 
          I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL VEGETATION IN THERE TO, TO MAKE THE VEGETATION ACT AS THE SCREEN INSTEAD OF PUTTING DIRT ROUNDS IN. 
          AND PERHAPS WE WOULD NEED A SLIGHTLY TALLER, MORE ROBUST SPEC. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU PUT THE TREES IN FRONT OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN, THERE'S VERY SMALL PINE TREES AND THE SURVIVABILITY WAS POOR JUST AROUND THE CORNER. 
          AND, AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THAT OKAY, BUT IF THEY'RE DESIGNED CORRECTLY, THEY'LL WORK. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS WE SAY IN, IF YOU CAN REMOVE THE BERMS, WHICH TAKE UP A LOT OF AREA, YOU CAN, YOU CAN FIT THE SIDEWALK IN AND REPLACE THOSE WITH LANDSCAPING. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IF THEY DESIGN THE BERMS WELL AND WE, WE DIDN'T NEED THAT. 
          THEY, THEY CAN BE VERY NICELY DONE. 
          IT'S JUST, WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE. 
          THEY, THEY'RE NOT WELL, THEY WOULD'VE WATER. 
          IT'S NOT EVEN THE DESIGN, IT'S THE WA THEY'D HAVE TO BE WATER REGULARLY. 
          THEY NEED SOMETHING BECAUSE THE WATER TURNS OUT WELL, THEY DESIGN CORRECT WORK. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO BILL, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU, I MEAN, I KNOW OUR AGENDAS FILL UP, RIGHT? SO DO WE WANT TO PUSH OUT AND SAY, I MEAN, YOU'RE OUT ALL THE WAY TO JULY 6TH. 
          IF YOU WAIT ANOTHER COUPLE MEETINGS, WE MAY BE FURTHER OUT. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 6TH, THAT GIVES THEM CLOSE TO A MONTH TO GET ALL THE UPDATED DRAWINGS DONE. 
          AND IT IS UP TO YOU. 
          I'M JUST SUGGESTING BECAUSE WE KEEP FILLING THE AGENDAS AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM REASONABLE BECAUSE IF THEY GET TO, WE GO ONE 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH ME TALKING, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
           CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. 
          UM, HERE, HERE, , WE DO HAVE ONE SPOT ON JUNE 15TH LEFT TOO, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT IS ON JULY 6TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON GETTING UPDATED MATERIALS IN ADVANCE. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, I'LL WORK ON, BECAUSE BILL, USUALLY IF YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, I'LL START THE PART TWO AND PART THREE SINCE WE'RE THROUGH THE 30 DAY COORDINATOR REVIEW AND GET YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION WHEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE SOME DIRECTION. 
          THE THIRD BEST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT ON JULY 6TH, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU GIVE ME DIRECTION TO PUT TOGETHER RESOLUTIONS FOR APPROVAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          YEP. 
          IS THE ACTUAL, IS THE FORMER CONVENT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR ON THE STATE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES? NO, NO. 
          IT, IT HAS ELIGIBLE CHARACTERISTICS, BY THE WAY, HAS THE, WE, WE JUST STARTED A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE AND I KNOW, UH, LEONA'S HERE. 
          SHE'S ON A FEW OF 'EM, BUT SHE'S ON THAT ONE TOO. 
          HAVE THEY CONTACTED YOU AT ALL? BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO ABOUT, UH, STAIN GLASS WINDOWS AND ARTIFACTS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE CURRENT, UH, BUILDING AND, AND HOW WE COULD SAVE THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          PRESERVE THEM OR, YES, THERE WAS, UM, PRESIDENT BROPHY CONTACTED ME OKAY. 
          SO THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE IN TOUCH WITH ME, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MY, AND WE'RE VERY OPEN TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO WALK THROUGH AND SEE WHAT WE CAN SELL IT. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF THAT THEY NEED TO GENERATE? NO. 
          NO. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE ON JULY 6TH. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION BY MR. CLARK. 
          SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD. 
          YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 4TH MEETING MOTION. 
          SECOND MOTION ON MS. MCCORMICK. 
          SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING MOTION BY MR. SHAW, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION.
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