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CAN DO THAT AT COLD OUTSIDE.GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS QUICK SERVICE, REAL CODE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TACO BELL RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
HEY, HOW ARE YOU? BE EVERYBODY.
UH, OFFICIAL MARATHON ENGINEERING ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS, UH, KEN
UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, AS NOTED IN THE, IN THE AGENDA TO INITIATE SIP INTERVIEW WITH YOU FOLKS, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF 2200 SQUARE FOOT TACO BELL RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH, UH, AS WELL AS OF THE EXISTING BAR RESTAURANT THERE, UH, LOCATED 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
ACCESS TO, UH, THE SITE WILL BE VIA THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, TO SOUTHWEST
UH, THERE'S ALSO ACROSS ACCESS TO THE LOT TO THE WHAT? THE EAST SIDE, UM, THE WELLOW FACILITY.
UH, THAT'LL ALL BE MAINTAINED, UM, REALLY FOR MOST PART FITTING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DEVELOPED PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY BUILT OUT.
UH, WHAT'S OUT THERE FOR WATER SEWER ACCESS AND SO ON.
REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF LONG AND SHORT
WE SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL TO WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS IT LOCATED? LIKE YOU SAID, DO THE WALL NOW.
SO, WELL THIS WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION PULLING IN OUT I I THE WEATHER QUITE OFTEN NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC.
THERE'S A, A LEFT HAND LANE COMING FROM SOUTH PARK AREA AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE TURNING IN.
BUT I NOTICED ON, ON THE DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE AS SOON AS YOU PULL THE DRIVEWAY, YOU HAVE A QUICK RIGHT TO GET TO THE DRIVE SIDE.
I ENVISION A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE END OF THE CAR STICKING OUT IN THE ROAD.
UH, BECAUSE I, THAT'S A HARD, IT'S GONNA BE A HARD TURN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR STACKING IS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS WHAT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW CARS STACKED AT THIS POINT BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
THE DRIVE THROUGH CIRCULATION.
SO HOW, HOW KNOW, I'M SORRY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY? EIGHT EIGHT CAR STACKED TO UP HERE.
POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL CARS TO OUT AND STACK BEFORE IT CALLS.
BUT MY CONCERN IS SOME MAKE A LEFT IN THERE AND SOME MAKE A RIGHT.
WELL, YOU KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS.
THIS GUY GETS STUCK OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND IT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.
UH, CAN THEY USE THAT OTHER, AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN ON, ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY? COULD USE THAT OTHER PART OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
SO THE CAR STACKING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S AN EXTRA LANE HERE.
IF CAR GETS IN HERE, IT'S STACKED.
SO ESCAPE OF HAD THOSE LANES IN CASE BACKS UP AND GET AROUND WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE COULD USE THE WHOLE, LIKE THE BUILDING IS STACKING.
SAY THAT AGAIN SIR? THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT HERE.
THAT IS WHERE THE DRIVE WINDOW IS, RIGHT? OKAY.
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COUNTERCLOCKWISE MANNER.SO HOW MANY, UM, PARKING SPACES ARE THERE? 14.
HOW MANY CAN YOU SIT INSIDE? HOW MANY INSIDE THEY WANNA SIT INSIDE AND DIE? THREE.
THE DRAWING THAT I LOOKED AT, I ONLY SAW ONE, ONE WINDOW.
UH, IS THERE ONLY ONE WINDOW OR ARE THERE TWO AN ORDER WINDOW AND A OR A THERE'S NO PREPAID.
SO YOU GOT ORDER, WAIT FURTHER ORDER, ORDER THE ORDER STATIONS BACK HERE, UHHUH, AND THEN YOU PROCEED TO THE PICKUP PAY WINDOW.
YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO THERE? UH, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 A SHIFT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES, IF THE P BOARDS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, WE HAVE ROOM AND SPACES AROUND THE SITE TO DO OKAY.
SHOEHORN ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 20 SPACES SEEMS TO BE THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR THE TOP.
ESPECIALLY NOW POST COVID, EVERYBODY'S DOING THE KFC ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY, THEY DETERMINE NUMBER, YOU PRESENT Y AND THEY, THEY MAKE THE DECISION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY GENERAL GUIDELINES.
HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE, THE IDEA THAT YOU WANTED EIGHT STACK IN? IS THERE A, DID YOU USE, IS THERE SOME KIND OF MAGIC NUMBER LIKE THERE IS PARKING? YEAH, YOU KNOW, WITH KFC AND TACO BELLS, UH, WHICH, UH, QUICK SERVICE MOCO HAD IS PRIMARY DEVELOPER FOR, UM, THE EIGHT EIGHT CAR STACK.
IT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE IDEAL NUMBER, IF YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY AGAIN TO HAVE NUMBER THREE OR FOUR BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE ON CIRCULATIONS, IT'S SPILLING OUT ONTO THE STATE ROAD.
UH, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT THEY'RE FINDING WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF CARS STACKED.
AND DURING THE
UH, WHICH FENCE LINE? THE, THE ONE WHERE THE, THE, UH, AS THEY PULL IN, THERE'S THAT PROPERTY LINE WHERE I GUESS IT'S A CPA OFFICE THERE NOW.
WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE CODE, BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT LIKES TO SEE THE PARKING FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE ADAM TALK TO TIM WILLARD ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A POLICY AND THERE'S EXISTING PAYMENT NOW RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO NOW TIM MIGHT SAY, AS LONG AS IT'S THERE NOW KEEP IT.
OR HE SAY BACK, ADAM SAID, PULL BACK.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES? HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES? UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CUSTOMER AND, UM, YOU SAY 10 EMPLOYEES, RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE, IF YOU HAVE 10 EMPLOYEES, YOU HAVE 10 CARS, ROUGHLY, OR SOME LONG OR TAKE ALL TRADE.
WELL, THIS GENTLEMAN SAID THAT THEY DON'T TYPICALLY DRIVE THROUGH.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE WELL, THEY, THEY, I, WELL OUR EMPLOYEES, MOSTLY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE FROM THE GENERAL AREA.
SO THEY THINK ACCOMMODATIONS ARISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT, NOW THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS PRE COVID RIGHT NOW WE ARE ONLY ONE TO 2% OF OUR CUSTOMERS CAN MEET ALL OUR BUSINESSES.
ALL A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK COMMIT.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE AT THE, UH, KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE THERE'S A CHEATER PARKING HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ON AVERAGE THAT'S STORED PROBABLY AT ABOUT 2% TO 3% OF OUR VOLUME ONLY.
SO MAYBE ABOUT 20, 20 CARS A DAY MAY PARK.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD FOR US.
WE'RE SEEING A, A LARGER DRIVE THROUGH.
WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF COMMAND TAKE OUT AND A LOT OF THE UBER EATS AND DELIVERY SERVICES HAVE ALL SET IT.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE DINING ROOMS, YOU KNOW, BE USED.
BUT THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE THAT WE EXPERIENCED OPENING IN THE AREA, UH, VERY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO IN OUR PARKING LOT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
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RIGHT, YOUR SENSE.BUT A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THESE PLACES, THAT'S WHY I SEE BICYCLES OUT THERE.
AND THE KIDS ARE GOING IN THERE, SITTING DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO SUPPLEMENT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
THE HUSBAND MAY DROP OFF, THE WIFE WOULD DROP OFF THE SON OR THE HUSBAND AND GRANDFATHER.
YEAH, WE PUT THEM IN, WE PUT THEM IN ANYWAY.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING I'M ASKING, AND I'M NOT, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA I DRIVE BY ALL THE TIME.
SO MR. CHAPMAN IS CORRECT, IS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE TURNS, BUT UM, WHERE'S THE NEAREST BUS STOP? THE NEAREST BUS STOP IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK THAT UP AND PUT THAT ON THE PLAN.
'CAUSE IF IT'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, I THINK IF SOMEBODY COMES TO WORK, RIGHT? I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN, I, I'LL TAKE A CRUISE, I'LL BUY THAT AGAIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE THE NEAR BUS WOULD BE.
I, IF IT'S SOUTH, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I, IT APPEARS FROM THE AERIAL THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CROSSING RIGHT AT THAT DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S SIDEWALK HERE, RIGHT? THERE IS RIGHT.
THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT AT THE RIGHT THERE.
HOW MANY SEATS ARE GONNA BE INSIDE THE RESTROOM? 30, 30 SEATS INSIDE DOOR.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
I THINK WE HAVE ROOM TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPACES.
AGAIN, THIS IS KIND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE SEEMS BE A SWEET SPOT FROM THE AGREED ON THERE.
IS THAT IT'S NOT EXIST THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED OR IS THAT EXISTING? THIS, THIS SCREEN? YEP.
IT'S ALL, UH, ULTIMATELY PROPOSED.
BUT WHAT'S THAT? THERE'S A PAVEMENT OUT TO, WELL, THE PAVEMENT WILL GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN THERE'S SOME PAVEMENT THAT COMES UP PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL MEETING THE, THE REQUIRED, UH, OPEN SPACE CRITERIA, UM, PAVEMENT ON THIS AREA.
WHERE'S YOUR SCIENTIFIC, I THINK WE NEED MORE PARKING.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT EASY TO ADD IT AT THE SITE AFTER THE FACT SHOULD.
AND THE CONCERN IS, SAY YOU PLAN TO OPERATE, YOU MUST HAVE SOME SORT OF ASSUMPTION.
15 TO 20 YEARS TRENDS AND PREFERENCES MAY CHANGE.
THEY THEY MAY NOT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO ADD IT BACK IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO OPTIMIZE THE LAYOUT TO INCREASE THE PARKING TWO TO WHAT NUMBER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
YEAH, THE TOTAL MORE PARKING IS LESS.
I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WHEN I DO OUR REVIEW, YOU CAN'T COVER MORE THAN 85% IN LOT AND THEY'RE AT ABOUT, WE'RE ABOUT SEVEN 70, SO NOW, SO YOU DON'T WANNA GET UP.
SO HIGH MODERATE MODERN WORLD.
WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE PARKING.
UM, AND IT'S JUST THE WAY THE WORLD'S GOING RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT LIKE THIS.
IF SOMEONE WAS TO PULL IN AND ALL THOSE PARKING SPOTS WERE FULL, THEY PROBABLY WOULD GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH TO SURROUND THE BUILDING AND LEAVE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEY GONNA PARK OFF THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE GOING AWAY FROM MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING AND, AND MAXIMUM AMOUNT BECAUSE THEY'D RATHER NOT SEE THE OVER PARKING, OVER OVER PARKING SITE TYPICALLY FOR LIKE, EXCEPT FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
BUT THIS, THE STATISTICS WE'RE SEEING IS LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING, EVEN EVEN POST COVID NOW PEOPLE, EVEN BEFORE COVID, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND SITTING DOWN AND EATING IT.
BUT THERE'S CERTAIN CATEGORIES THAT THEY DO, BUT THIS ONE THEY DON'T LIKE STARBUCKS STILL HAS PEOPLE GOING IN AND SITTING DOWN.
BUT, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT, IF THESE PARKING SPACES WERE FULL, SOMEBODY WOULD JUST GO AROUND AND LEAVE AND THEY'D LOSE BUSINESS FOR IT.
SO ALSO, IF WE STILL HAD OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE THAT WE DON'T IGNORE, THEY WOULD REQUIRE 12 SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S ONE SPACE FOR THREE SEATS PLUS PLUS SO MANY FOR EMPLOYEES.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE 10 PLUS EIGHT TO 10 EMPLOYEE IS THE TWO, TWO SPOTS PROBABLY FIVE SEATS.
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ANOTHER TOWN, WE DO ONE FOR THREE AND THEN WE ASK FOR OUR CODE.SARAH, REMEMBER
I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, TRY TO SQUEEZE MORE POST THE 85 LIMIT.
I WAS JUST GONNA BRING UP THE FACT THAT I TYPICALLY LIKE TO SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOUNDATION PLANNING HERE WHERE WE TEND TO WANT SOME PLANNING, SOME, SOME LANDSCAPE WITHOUT BLOCKING YOUR SIGNAGE.
I ASSUME THAT'S A GROUND SIGN, RIGHT? UM, THAT YOU HAVE SOME PLANNING BEDS ON EITHER SIDE.
WE QUITE TED THAT QUITE THAT FAR YET.
BUT IT, IT COULD EITHER BE A POLE MINE SIGN CAN'T BE, WON'T.
WE REQUIRE SO MANY TREES PER FRONTAGE.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF YOUR FRONTAGE YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO, BUT I THINK YOU CAN PUT THOSE IN THE TWO CORNERS.
SIX OR SEVEN TREES? SIX OR SEVEN TREES.
AGAIN, THEY GOTTA BE VERY SALT TOLERANT.
LET'S GET EXPOSED TO A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS.
SO LET'S, LET'S SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 3RD ON THIS ONE.
I MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO CAN YOU, AND I GUESS SECOND, SO FOR THE NEXT MEETING, CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON TYPICAL STAFFING NUMBER FOR OTHER TACO BELLS IN THE REGION? AND IF YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON TYPICAL PARKING, BOTH PRE PANDEMIC AND, AND NOW, AND I THINK WHAT THEY CAN DO, CAITLIN, IS DO JUST A HAND SKETCH.
DON'T, DON'T REDO THE WHOLE DRAWING, BUT A HAND SKETCH OF WHERE YOU COULD ADD TWO OR THREE PARKING SPACES AND STILL BE 85%.
SO, SO THAT BEING MAYBE YOU AND WE CONSIDER ADDING TWO TO FOUR SPACES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF THEY'RE ON THE PLAN, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEN THEY COULD BE, IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT ON THERE, JUST SAY FUTURE SPACES OR JUST SHOW UP THAT WAY, THAT MAKE A DECISION.
UNLESS YOU, UNTIL, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT GREEN SPACE CALCULATION BASED ON RETURN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIRD, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES.
SO IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 3RD.
SO NEXT THING ON OUR WORK SESSION IS LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE.
UH, LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE IS IN FARM LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW 3,708 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND, UH, 640 SQUARE FOOT CONNECTOR BUILDING AT 4 4 8 4 CLARK STREET.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN OUR, OUR MEMO IS WHETHER THIS WAS A TYPE TWO OR LISTED, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER, WHICH WE CAN THINK IT'S LISTED, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT IF BOTH, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING A CONNECTING AREA OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET AND HAVE TO BE, DO A SHORT FORMING, THEY'VE DONE.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT DO YOU GOT? SO I BROUGHT ELEVATION.
IT WAS DONE ON MORTON'S HOME OFFICE COMPUTER.
IT SHOWS THE, LIKE A PORCH BUMP OUT ON THE FRONT THAT'S NOT, IT'S FLUSH, BUT THEIR, THEIR COMPUTER COULDN'T DO THAT.
SO IT'S JUST THE, WHERE THE FRONT ENTRY IS, IT'S A GABLE FACE.
UM, BUT THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE IDEA OF, UM, THE TWO SHADES OF GRAY THAT WE'RE USING ON THE PROJECT.
PICTURES OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TOO.
SO WE CAN SEE WHAT, BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE, OF OUR GREENHOUSE.
SO THIS IS ATTACHING ON THE BACK END.
I WAS GONNA SAY THIS IS NOT, SO WON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA BUT SEE FROM THE ROAD.
NO, NOPE, THIS IS, YEAH, SO THERE, SO CURRENTLY OUR PARKING IS, THERE'S 10 SPACES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY IN, AT THEIR FRONT STORE AND THEN ALL THE REST OF IT'S IN THE BACK.
THAT'S, WE'RE FACING THIS BUILDING TOWARD THAT PARKING LOT TO ELIMINATE THE CUSTOMERS HAVING TO WALK UP THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO THE SIGN COLOR IS GONNA ROUGHLY MATCH WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE FRONT OF THE YES.
CURRENTLY IT'S GRAY WITH BURGUNDY TRIM.
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IS THIS TALLER THAN THE GREENHOUSE? YES.TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH I WOULD SAY IT'S MAYBE SIX FEET.
THAT WOULD BE, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE STREET, RIGHT? WHERE, WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE IN THE BACK.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU KEEP THE TREES AND BUSHES OUT THERE? YES, YES.
AND IS THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S UM, IT'S LIKE LANDSCAPING FABRIC.
WE, WE FILLED IT WITH THE INTENTION OF DOING THIS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND HERE WE ARE FINALLY MAYBE GETTING TO IT.
UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S FILLED AND WE JUST HAVE A LANDSCAPE TRAFFIC OVER THE TOP OF IT.
AND AT THIS LOCATION WE HAVE TO THE VILLAGE, RIGHT? IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE VILLAGE WE HAVE TO NOTIFICATION, RIGHT? UH, VILLAGE IS THE OTHER SIDE.
ALRIGHT THEN IT DOES DOESN'T HURT US TO AIR ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
JUST SEND IT, SEND A TO THE VILLAGE.
SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS BUILDING, HOW DOES YOUR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND RETAIL SALES CHANGE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WANNA NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN IS IF YOU'RE, SO RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS HAVE PLANTS STORED OUTSIDE OUTDOOR LIKE AREA.
WILL YOU BE RELOCATING THAT TO ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY? LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE TREES, IS THAT JUST GONNA BE INSIDE NOW OR ARE YOU GONNA MOVE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE? THERE'S THERE'S ANNUAL PLANTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA FREE UP ENOUGH SPACE IN THERE.
TREES AND SHRUBS WILL BE IN THE AREA.
THEY CURRENTLY ARE JUST IN THE BUILDING.
DO WE NEED THEM TO LABEL THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA ON THE SITE PLAN? IT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT IT'D BE NICE TO SHOW EXISTING OUTDOOR STORAGE OF STORAGE OF PLANT MATERIAL.
BE REAL CRITICAL IF I MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON LOCKWOOD GREENHOUSES AND FARMS FOR AUGUST 3RD.
ARE WE DOING A ARE WE DOING A COORDINATED REVIEW? YOU DOING COORDINATED REVIEW? NO, WE DIDN'T.
SO WE TYPICALLY FOR UNLISTED ACTION.
OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, THERE'S NO OTHER REGULATORY APPROVAL.
SO TYPICALLY DON'T, UNLESS YOU WANT FOR SOME REASON TO DO THAT.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS IS A BORDER LINE.
RIGHT? NO OTHER APPROVAL AGENCIES.
I ALWAYS RECOMMEND NO FOUR, BUT YOU'RE VILLAGE.
BUT WE ARE GONNA SEND TO THE VILLAGE UNDER 2 39.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WESTERN HAMBURG REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION.
ON A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 3,745 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
AND I'M HERE WITH JIM WAL, WHO'S THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR FOR AUTOMOTIVE GROUP.
UM, YES, AS AS, UH, THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA BE RAISING THIS BUILDING HERE, WHICH IS THE EXISTING, UH, USED CAR BUILDING.
AND IN ITS PLACE IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK, WE'RE PROPOSING A 37, UH, HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE USED AS A, UH, VEHICLE SERVICE CENTER.
WE'RE ADDING APPROXIMATELY 30 SPACES.
UH, ALL OF THE, UH, WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IS INTERIOR TO OUR SITE.
THE SITE ITSELF IS A PARCEL WITHIN WESTERN AND HOLDINGS HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE.
AND THE SITE WILL BE LANDSCAPED AND, UH,
AND, UH, THAT WILL COME THROUGH AS WE DEVELOP THIS PLAN FURTHER.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST YOUR CONTENT PLANNER VIEW, BUT YOU JUST WANTED YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? A NEW BUILDING GOING UP THERE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE NOTHING AT SOUTHWESTERN BECAUSE IT'S REPLACEMENT.
WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE CAMP ROAD AREA
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BECAUSE IT'S, WELL IT NOT BUT IT'S ON THE BUILDING OR COVERED IS ON SOUTHWESTERN, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE, THERE'S AN AREA ON CAMP ROAD THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE IN.THIS IS NOT, NOT AUTOMOTIVE SALES, THAT'S SURE.
AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, REPAIR REPAIRS.
BUT ALSO THEY'RE IN, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE IN ZONE.
PART OF ITS FOR NOW THIS IS GONNA BE JUST FOR WEST THIRD.
IT'S NOT LIKE A GENERAL, ANYBODY COME IN OR, YEAH, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS JUST HERS.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING OUT SOME GREEN SPACE WITH SOME TREES TOO.
YEAH, WE'RE, IN ORDER TO GET THE PARKING THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED, WE NEEDED TO TAKE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, AREA IN THE BACK.
ARE YOU CURRENTLY PROPOSING A FENCE TO GO INTO SEPARATE YOUR FACILITY FROM THE ADJACENT CENTRAL RESIDENTIAL? WE'RE NOT PROPOSING IT, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER IT.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE A GOOD CONSIDERATION.
THE FENCING AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
SO HOW MUCH BIGGER IS SEEING THE BUILDING? IT'S ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE.
OH, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, CONFIGURATION.
THIS IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK.
FROM THE CHEVY DEALER, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT USE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE REPAIRS INSTEAD OF SALES.
IT'S AFFILIATED, BUT IT'S UH, IT'S IT'S GONNA BE REPAIRS, NOT SALES.
HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CAR DEALERSHIPS LIKE ACROSS THE STREET, THEY'VE GOT THE
DO WE STILL HAVE THAT AS A DEALERSHIP AS FAR AS SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND THINGS, OR PROBABLY DOESN'T MANAGE MUCH.
SO THE DRIVEWAY, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AERIAL IMAGE MM-HMM
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS CAR IS PARKED ALL THE WAY UP TO WHAT IS LIKE A CURB CUT AT RIGHT.
IS THE INTENTION TO BE USING THAT ACCESS TO SOLES ROAD OR IS ALL ENTRANCE AND ENTRANCE? NO, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE USED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE, GLAD YOU POINTED OUT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH IT.
THERE ARE SOME NONCONFORMITIES TO THIS SITE, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PARKING, CAN WE, WE CAN'T, IT'S EXISTING PARKING.
BUT IN, WHEN YOU'RE REDOING THE SITE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PULL SOME OF THESE CARS THAT ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY? THESE ARE PROBABLY TOO CLOSE, BUT AT LEAST IF YOU DON'T PARK CARS THERE, YOU CAN PUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THAT'S REQUIRED.
I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE TOO MUCH LANDSCAPING TO BOX OF CARS, BUT THESE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
AND I UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE IT'S A PINCH POINT NOW.
BUT IF THE BUILDING SET BACK FURTHER, CAN YOU LAY IT OUT SO THESE PARKING SPACES CAN COME BACK? AGAIN, THEY'RE EXISTING, THEY'RE A GRANDFATHER, BUT SOMETIMES DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW, WE TRY TO BRING THE SITES MORE INTO PERFORMANCE WITH THE LAW.
SO YOU'RE SWITCHING FROM SALES TO SERVICE.
WHY WOULD YOU NEED MORE PARKING? WELL, I MEAN THIS PARKING HERE IS JUST ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS BUILDING AND, AND THE QUEUING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S THE TARGET NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO ARE YOU GONNA BE ON THIS PARCEL STORING ANY VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SOLD NEXT DOOR OR THIS PARCEL OVER WILL ONLY BE THIS, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE EMPLOYEE PARKING AND MAINTENANCE? I, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOME OF THESE VEHICLES WILL CONTINUE TO BE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE SOLD BECAUSE IT'S A DISPLAY AREA, BUT THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE PUTTING UP IS GONNA BE FOR SERVICE.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE FROM THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING BEHIND IT'S GONNA BE USED FOR SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO SELL.
I UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THE FACT THAT CURRENTLY THIS SITE IS PART OF A SALES SITE, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES THE DEALERSHIPS AND THEY KNOW THEIR BUSINESS VERY WELL.
THE THE REPAIR IS PART OF THE SALES BUILDING.
THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE THIS BUILDING.
NOW JUST PUT A SEPARATE BUILDING THAT IS JUST AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, BUT IT IS ON A SITE THAT HAS CAR SALES ON IT AND DISPLAYS A VEHICLE.
SO THERE ARE EXISTING DISPLAYS OF VEHICLES.
SO THERE STILL BE, THEY'LL BE SELLING VEHICLES OFF OF THAT LOT.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALL THAT PARKING AND THAT'S ALL THAT DISPLAY AREA NOW.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
IT'S AN INTERESTING DO WE MODIFY, IT'S A SALES LOT NOW, RIGHT? IT'S A SALES LOT NOW
I PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE IT OFF THE STREET AND GET AN OIL CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? WELL, I, I ASSUME JIM.
YEAH, SO I MEAN IT'S STILL THAT I WOULD CONSIDER THAT CUSTOMERS
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BECAUSE WHAT YOU STATED YOUR CUSTOMERS OWN, THEY BOUGHT A CAR FROM YOU OR OH, UH, NO, NO.ANYONE OTHER DEALERSHIP? YEAH.
SO THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT IT'S A NON-FUNCTIONAL CURB CUT ONTO SO'S ROAD AND IT'S NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR SOMEONE TO BE ACCESSING THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING CONVERSION BACK TO GRASS.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO THAT CLOSES THAT RELATIVELY UNSAFE, VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, CURB CUT OFF.
IF IT'S NOT PLANNED TO BE USED WELL WE'D LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT BECAUSE THIS IS A STANDALONE PARCEL AND UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE DOT THESE DAYS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GIVE SOMETHING UP AND GET IT BACK.
THERE'S NO PLANS ON WHAT THIS PARCEL WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO FOREGO THAT CURVE CUT AT THIS POINT.
ARE THERE THINGS YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO IN TERMS OF SEMI-PERMANENT STRUCTURES OR GATING OR SOMETHING TO INCLUDE ACCESS THROUGH IT BUT PROVIDE, ALLOW STILL FOR EMERGENCY USE? LARGE, GIANT CONCRETE PLANTERS? YEAH.
I CAN, I CAN TALK TO THE OWNERS ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN WE JUST, AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOUR CLIENT'S INTERESTED IN USING IT AS A PRIMARY ENTRY EGUS POINT, BUT TO MAKE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND NO, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I WOULD SHOULD CAR IT'S NOT YEAH, NO, I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONE THAT'S AT SOULS.
IT'S BASICALLY AT IT BASICALLY EGG EXITS AT THE CROSSWALK AND IT'S AT THAT FUNKY ANGLE THERE.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS FROM COMING IN IS YOU.
AND THAT, THAT, I MEAN, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS SOMETHING THERE TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM EVEN ALSO CUTTING OUT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE VEHICLES PARKED THERE SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT USABLE.
AND ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF SOME OF THAT.
WELL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ROOM TO PULL THOSE CARS BACK A LITTLE BIT AND UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DO A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING IN THERE AS WELL.
YEAH, RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK TOO.
THEY'RE LIKE RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S SHORT QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANNA BLOCK YOUR SALE.
WELL, SOMETIMES THE SHORTS ARE PROBLEMATIC.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, YOU CAN SEE THE TREES.
YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE YOUR ARTISTIC LICENSE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE, THE VISIBILITY AND THE DISPLAY, THEY ALL REQUIRE THE LAST ALL REQUIRE ONE TREE EVERY 30 FEET.
YOU CAN GROUP THEM IN AREAS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.
THIS IS A NEW SITE PLAN FOR TRYING TO BRING THE SITE INTO AS MUCH CONFORMANCE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE LAW, UNDERSTANDING SOMEWHERE EXISTING.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF FIXING THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE ADDRESSING THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAYS THAT AREN'T USED NOW THAT PROBABLY NEVER SHOULD BE USED BECAUSE THEY'RE AWFUL LOCATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER ONE, ABOUT THE OTHER ONE THERE TOO.
THEY JUST DON'T THINK THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH.
ANYWAY, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SOME SORT OF SENSING TO PROTECT, PROTECT THE ADJACENT LEFT.
USE, NOT THAT IT'S, AND THEN SIGNAGE.
UH, IS THERE A MONUMENT SIGN GOING IN SOMEWHERE? UM, JIM'S, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIGN ALREADY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE OKAY WITH A PUBLIC HEARING OR DO WE WANNA COME BACK TIME? WE'RE OKAY WITH PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DOES ANYTHING HAVE TO GO TO THE THINGS DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR NON-CONFORMANCES BECAUSE THEIR GRANDFATHER NONCONFORM THEIR GRANDFATHER.
RIGHT? BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE, YOU CAN ASK THEM TO TRY TO BRING SOME OF THE SITE INTO CONFORMANCE.
CONSIDER SOME OF THEM MAKE, CHANGE IT ALL, BUT MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT'S, I MEAN, SOME OF USED TO HAVE A 45 FOOT SETBACK,
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UH, TWO WEEKS PERSON.ALRIGHT, SO YOU'LL HAVE A SITE PLAN.
SO WE'LL TABLE THIS TO AUGUST 3RD, NEXT FRIDAY SECOND.
BUT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE, UH, FOR THE WORK SESSION THAT DAY TOO.
ANYWAY, SO THEY GOTTA BE HERE ANYWAY.
SO, OKAY, SO, UH, OSHA TABLE WESTFORD CHEVY TO AUGUST 3RD.
MOTION CLARK SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.
SO IT'S AFTER SEVEN, SO WE'LL GET STARTED WITH MEETING.
SO WELCOME TO THE JULY 20TH MEETING, THE TIME PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE RISE FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLICATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.
SARAH, WERE THEY PLANNING ON COMING FOR WHAT WERE, WERE THE PEOPLE FROM DOLLAR DENVER PLANNING ON COMING FOR THIS ONE? I DUNNO.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER.
WE'VE GOT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AS ONE AND TWO, BUT BECAUSE SOME PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS MAY NEED TO LEAVE EARLY IS A RELATIVE TERM THAT BE OUT BY NINE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE DOLLAR GENERAL TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN FINISH ALL OF THE, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, WITH, UH, FUNK ELECTRIC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE NEW 6,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT, UH, VACANT LAND SOUTH OF 4 6 4 6 PAGER ROAD.
YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT AGAIN.
IS THAT TRUE? UNLESS, UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO.
SO ANY IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING CHANGES THAT WERE HAPPENING ON THIS ONE? NO.
UM, WE'RE TAKING SOME TREES OUT, JUST, YOU KNOW YEAH.
AS ISSUE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE BUILDING OF SOME SORT.
BUT THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES FROM WHAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED.
AND I HAVE THOSE HERE IF YOU WANNA SEE THOSE.
SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING? THE NOTICE NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY FUN ELECTRIC, A NEW BUILDING TO BE LOCATED AT VACANT LAND SOUTH OF 4 6 4 6 BAYVIEW ROAD.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JULY 20TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM ROOM SEVEN B AT HAMBURG 10TH.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? OKAY, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE FUN ELECTRIC PROJECT THAT MAY FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS? THE FUN PROJECT.
BEING NO COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE DO HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO US.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE WANTED TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THOSE RESOLUTIONS? ANY REASON WHY WE JUST, WHY WE SHOULDN'T JUST GO INTO READING THE RESOLUTIONS?
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ALRIGHT, START WITH THE SECRET ONE HERE.UH, NEGATIVE DECLARATION RESOLUTION FUNGAL ELECTRIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK SECRET LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE FUNK ELECTRIC PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 6,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW AND INPUT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUE AND CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
ALL IN FAVOR? UM, I DO HAVE A, I WOULD LIKE TO MUST ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ON APPROVAL.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THE THIRD CONDITION, WHICH HAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS.
IS WA IS THERE NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA? I THINK INSTEAD OF SAYING, INSTEAD OF SAYING IS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY THAT THE PROPERTIES LOOKING LOCATED AT THE END OF THE DEAD END ROAD WITH NO F****P BUSINESS.
I THINK WE MORE PRECISE GIVEN THE, THAT'S GOOD NUMBER OF COMMENTS WERE MADE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
WE'LL WALK UP END OR WALK UP ACCESS, WALK UP RETAIL BUSINESS.
I THINK NO ONE'S COME TO SEE YOU UNLESS THEY'VE MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO COME SEE YOU THEN JUST RIGHT.
SO FUNK ELECTRIC BAYVIEW ROAD APPROVAL RESOLUTION, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF
AND WHEREAS THE POST ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, AND WHEREAS THE HAMED PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVED NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JULY 15TH, 2022.
ANY NEW LIGHT WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED BECAUSE THIS IS LOCATED AT THE END OF A DEAD END ROAD AND THE BUSINESS HAS NO WALK-UP CUSTOMERS.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
JUST NOTE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS DONE NOW.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA DEVELOPMENT.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 156 ATTACH CONSTRUCT.
56 ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR LEASE ON VACANT LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN WEST OF ROGERS.
I'M CHRIS WOOD DESIGN, THE ENGINEER OF THE PROJECT.
HE'S THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, WE MADE ONE ADDITION, UH, THAT'S YOUR GUYS REQUEST.
WE CREATED THE HEART TRAIL, WHICH THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PUD PLAN THAT SHOWS OUR TRAIL GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
WE ACTUALLY ADDED THE HEART TRAIL TO OUR SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUBMITTED LAST, LAST WEEK.
UH, THIS HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW PATH IN THERE.
SO YOU'LL SEE IT COMES FROM THE WEST, JUST LIKE ON THE OLD PLANT.
CIRCULATES THROUGH OUR SITE OVER TO SOUTHWESTERN IS ALSO GONNA GO THROUGH THE PEOPLE LINK SITE SITE AND GO ROGERS ROAD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THE ONLY CHANGE WE'VE MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
GOT THE PEOPLE SITE ON THAT PICTURE.
AND THE, WHERE'S THE, THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE PARKING
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LOTS, CORRECT? OR IS IT JUST THE TRAIL CURRENT? CURRENTLY IT'S RIGHT HERE.UM, WHEN, WHEN THIS PROJECT IS DEVELOPED, IT'LL ALSO GO THIS WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC? HEARING YOURSELF FROM, UH, ANY OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS AT THE CAB OR ANYTHING THERE? THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, MARK KAY REACHED OUT TO ME INDIVIDUALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REACHED OUT AND FILED ANY, I GOT SOMETHING FROM THEM, BUT IT WAS ACTIVE FRIDAY, SO YOU'LL GET IT TOMORROW.
HE RELATED HIS CONCERNS FOR ME TOO.
HIS CONCERNS WERE ABOUT, UH, PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT SOME LOTS THAT HAVE TRANSFERRED ALONG ROGERS ROAD AND WONDERING IF THEY WERE PART OF THIS PROJECT.
I SAID THEY WERE, IT'S NOT PART OF THE RECORD.
HE DIDN'T SAY FORMAL, BUT HIS CONCERN WAS ABOUT SOME PROPERTIES ALONG ROGERS ROAD THAT, THAT HAD RECENTLY TRANSFERRED OR SOMETHING AND THAT WERE THEY PART OF THIS PROJECT? SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION YOU RAISED IN ME.
UH, MARK RAISED A CONCERN ABOUT THESE TWO PRO PROPOSED PROJECTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS IN THE SCOPE OF ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DO, BUT THE IMPACT ON THE MOUNTAIN VERNON SEWER DISTRICT AND THE ON PROBLEMS WITH OVERFLOW SEWAGE AND STORMWATER OVERFLOWS BEING, UH, INTO BARRACKS CREEK AREA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY OR NOT, OR IF YOU JUST, JUST LIKE ANY PROJECT WE HAVE TO DO DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH FOR THIS ONE WE'RE DOING BOTH PEOPLE INC.
AND, UH, THAT'S STILL UNDERWAY.
UM, THE MONITORING IS STILL UNDERWAY.
SO ONCE WE GET THAT DONE, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT AND UH, THE, THEY'LL REVIEW OUR, OUR REPORT AND OUR CONCLUSIONS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS COMBINED SEWER OVERFLOWS IN GENERAL AND HE GOES IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE COUNTY.
BUT, BUT IF YOU, YOU'LL FILE A COMBINED NOTES, THE SEWER ANALYSIS, COUNSELING, SEW ANALYSIS AS PART OF THIS AND OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION DISTRICT.
I'LL LOOK AT THEIR DISTRICT CAPACITY.
AND I EXPLAINED THAT TO MARK IS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERFLOWS AT A STATION.
I SAID THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
YOU SHOULD, BUT THE GOOD PART, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE GOOD PART ABOUT ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS THEY HAVE TO FIX A LOT OF THAT.
I AND I PROBLEM FOR EVERY UNIT THAT PUT IN, THEY HAVE TO FIX THAT I AND I PROBLEM, WHICH IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE OVERFLOW.
THESE ARE WET WEATHER FLOWS, SO THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
SO ACTUALLY THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL PROBABLY HELP BECAUSE WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO I I MITIGATION ALL, ALL DEVELOPMENTS DO BECAUSE 16 TIMES DIFFERENT FLOW STORM WATER.
SO YOU'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF I ATIONS THE RECORDING ONE.
MY, THE MEMO THAT CAME IN ON WHATEVER DAY IT CAME IN, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL THING IN THERE THAT I SEE OTHER THAN STUFF WE, WE JUST MENTIONED WAS UH, THERE'S NOT A BUFFER BETWEEN THIS AND THE COUNTRY CLUB.
WHERE ON, ON THIS EDGE? YEAH, IT WOULD BE ON THAT EDGE.
UH, WELL WE DO HAVE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN US IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THE ACTUAL COUNTRY CLUB, THERE'S QUITE A DISTANCE BETWEEN USBANK.
RIGHT? THE DRIVING RANGE IS TO THE WEST.
SO THERE'S A BIG GREEN SPACE TO THE WEST.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING GO THAT STEP NOW OR LET'S DO IT.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL CONSTRUCT 156 ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR LEASE ON VACANT LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
WEST PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD JULY 20TH AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B AT HAMBURG 10 HALL.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MEMO THAT MARK SENT IN JUST GAVE, UM, BEING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, DO YOU WANNA READ IT? WE CAN'T ACCEPT STUFF AFTER FRIDAY, SO, BUT YOU AS A READ INTO YEAH, COME ON UP
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THERE.IF WE'VE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE AFTER FRIDAY, SARAH'S BEEN INSTRUCTED.
BUT IF SOMEONE COMES TO A MEETING IN A PUBLIC HEARING, THEY CAN READ ANYTHING THEY WANT.
I'M JUST TAKE A QUICK BRIEF WHILE YOUR MEETING OKAY.
NAME AN ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, BUT I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
BUT I, I, I ALREADY READ THE MEMO MICROPHONES RIGHT.
UH, THIS ME MESSAGE IS FROM, UH, MEMO IS FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, UM, REGARDING THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON SOUTHWESTERN AND ROGERS.
UM, ONE, BOTH OF THESE ADJOINING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ON THE CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND ROGERS ROAD TOTAL 18.19 ACRES, 14.38 FOR GATO AND THREE, 3.8 FOR PEOPLE INCORPORATED.
BOTH ARE OWNED BY BURKE AND FOR A TOTAL OF TWO THOU 240 HOUSING UNITS.
156 FOR GATO AND 84 FOR PEOPLE.
BASED ON THE SIZE AND LOCATION AND OWNERSHIP OF THESE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, THE CAB SUPPORTS AN EIS ON BOTH TWO POOR SOIL ABSORPTION.
ABSORPTION WILL BE LEADING TO RUNOFF THREE.
THE LOCATION IS UPLAND OF THE DENSELY POPULATED MOUNT VERNON SEWER DISTRICT LOCATED BESIDE AND ALONG LAKE ERIE.
THE MOUNT VERNON SEWER DISTRICT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF SEVERE WET WEATHER PROBLEMS, INCLUDING RESIDENT SANITARY SEWAGE BACKUP PUMPING TO STORM DRAINS AND DITCHES IN NEIGHBORHOODS DURING HEAVY RAINFALL RESULTING IN UNTREATED SANITARY SEWAGE COMING UP AND OUT OF MANHOLE COVERS AND FLOWING INTO LAKE ERIE IN HEAVY RAINFALL.
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS SIZE MAY STRESS THE SEWAGE COLLECTION SYSTEM INCREASE WET WEATHER PROBLEMS FROM MOUNT BERN SEWAGE DISTRICT RESIDENTS AND INCREASE WET WEATHER UNTREATED SEWAGE BYPASSING TO OUR LAKE.
GREAT CARE WAS TAKEN, THIS IS THE NEXT ONE.
GREAT CARE WAS TAKEN WITH THE DESIGN OF A NEARBY WALMART SO THAT IT WOULD FIT IN THE AREA AND COMPLIMENT THE COUNTRY CLUB.
FORMERLY THE BETHLEHEM MANAGEMENT CLUB, FORMERLY BRIARWOOD AND NOW THE CLOVER BANK COUNTRY CLUB.
THESE TWO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS WILL ABUT THE CLOVER BANK COUNTRY CLUB.
THE CURRENT PLAN ALONG SOUTHWESTERN SHOWS A VIEW OF MULTI-CAR PARKING LOT WITH NO BUFFER.
WILL THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS BE REQUIRED AS WALMART WAS TO BE DESIGNED TO FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE A VISUAL ASSET? THIS IS THE NEXT CONCERN, CONCERN FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.
WE WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND RESULTING AIR POLLUTION.
A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF 370 TO 400 VEHICLES WOULD BE EXITING AND ENTERING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS.
IT HAS BEEN NOTED THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY A TRAFFIC INCREASE IN THE AREA COMING FROM ROGERS ROAD, NEW HOUSES AND APARTMENTS NEAR THE THROUGHWAY.
WILL A TRAFFIC STUDY BE CONSIDERED? THAT'S IT.
CONSERVATION ADVISORY RECORDING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANY OTHER PROJECTS FOR OR AGAINST THE DATA DEVELOPMENT SOUTHWESTERN AND ROGERS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? THERE BEING NO ADDITIONAL, I DON'T SEE ANY ONLINE.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YEAH, NO.
YEAH, SO SEE BEING THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW TO TELL US.
NO, I JUST WANNA HELP WITH THAT.
I TALKED TO
UM, THIS IS PART OF THE BRIARWOOD PUD, WHICH WAS SUBJECT TO A GENERIC SUBJECT OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO EVERY PROJECT THAT GOES IN BRIARWOOD PUD IS IS LOOKED AT AGAINST THE ORIGINAL EIS.
THIS PRO, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT REQUIRED A SMALL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY IN IT OWN THAT WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD SAID IT WASN'T PERFORMANCE AND ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THIS.
AND, AND THE ZONE WAS TWO SMALL PIECES OF PROPERTY.
IT IS NOW BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SITE FUND APPROVAL, ALL ACTIONS SUBJECT TO AN EIS ARE SUBJECT TO YOUR REVIEW UNDER.
SEE, SO YOU LIKE THE TOWN BOARD AND
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I SPOKE TO SEAN TODAY, GREECE, YOU LIKE THE TOWN BOARD, HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT WAS IN THE EIS AND MAKE A DECISION.EITHER IT'S IN MORE IN THE EIS OR YOU CAN MAKE DECK THE PROJECT OR IF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE APPLICANT YOU CAN ISSUE A, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW TOO WHY THE TOWN BOARD DID OWN THE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS EXACTLY UNLIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PRO WHAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS PART OF THE SITE.
SINCE DAY ONE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN MULTI-FAMILY UNITS PLANNED FOR THIS PART OF THE PART OF THE SITE.
A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH THE PEOPLE INC.
PROJECT ON THE CORNER, WHICH WE'LL TALK, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE, THE TOWN BOARD ISSUED THEIR NECK DECK OR THEIR PERFORMANCE WITH SEEKER WAS THE FACT THAT IT IS IN PERFORMANCE.
THEY ALSO PROVIDED SOME UPDATED INFORMATION AND THEY DIRECTED THESE LAST NAME, THEY PROVIDED SOME UPDATED TRAFFIC INFORMATION, ET CETERA.
IT DOES FIT INTO, INTO THE CHARACTER.
BUT YOU'LL, WHEN YOU AUTHORIZE APPROVALS, IF YOU AUTHORIZE US TO PUT RESOLUTIONS TOGETHER, THOSE RESOLUTIONS WOULD INCLUDE CONFORMANCE WITH THE SEEKER EIS OR OR THE ISSUES OF THE DECK OR
ADD THAT SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH ANY CONDITIONS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT OF A PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD AL ALREADY DID A SECRET DETERMINATION OF REZONING FOR US TO DO A POSITIVE DECK, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH STRONG REASON COME UP, STRONG REASONS THAT WEREN'T CONSIDERED BY THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, A DIFFICULT THING FOR US TO DO.
MATTER OF FACT, IN OUR SECRET DECISION, IF IT'S A, IF THEY SAY CONFORMANCE WITH THE EIS OR MAG DECK, WE WILL REFER TO THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE THAT CONFORM THIS.
WHY THEY RESOLVED IT THAT IT WAS A CONFORMANCE WITH THE PLAN.
WE GET A COPY OF THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT THE TOWN BOARD JUST MADE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID AN THEY DID.
THEY HAD THREE CHOICES OR YOU, OR WAS DID SEND THAT.
WE DEFINITELY GOT ONE, BUT SEAN NOW AGREES EVERY ACTION, THE TOWN BOARD CAN'T DO THE ACTION FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SECRET DOCUMENTATION EVERY ACTION REQUIRED.
ONE BOARD CAN, ANY AGENCY, THE LEAD AGENCY DID THE ORIGINAL FINDINGS.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.
YOU DID UH, SEND IT THE DECISION FROM MARCH 28TH.
WAS IT THE SAME NIGHT YOU ASKED FOR PEOPLE IN FOR, CAN WE GET THE ONE FOR THIS ONE? IT SAYS THE SAME THING BUT YEAH.
AND WE LEAST HAVE IT AND WE CAN REFER TO IN WHATEVER THE PEOPLE INC.
WAS AN AMENDMENT OF THE P RIGHT? RIGHT.
A AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE REZONING.
WELL THIS COULD ADD SOME SMALL LITTLE PARCELS THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
WE GOT THE PEOPLE INC ONE AND THE, THE ONE OVER BY RILEY BOULEVARD.
YEAH, I'LL SEND, I'LL SEND VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE.
UM, SO WITHOUT A PLAN WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GIVE DIRECTION, LIKE YOU'RE GONNA DO, WHETHER WE'RE GONNA PREPARE RESOLUTIONS AS PART OF THAT, IS THERE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION YOU NEED FROM THE APPLICANT? I SAID THEY'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IF THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE SEWER ISSUE, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT CAMIE CAN, CAN COMMENT ON THAT FURTHER.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT SEEKER AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL DECISION? DID YOU SUBMIT CAMIE THE RIGHT, SHE HAS SWEAT SHE'LL THAT YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT THE DOWNSTREAM SEWER, WHICH CAMMY GETS ALL THE GOOD STUFF.
WE HAVE THE STUDY AND YOU'RE GONNA SEND US THE FINAL, WE HAVE THE PERFORMANCE BY THE TOWN BOARD PERFORMANCE WITH THE PLAN AND THE WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE ENGINEERED SET OF PLANS.
THE BIG QUESTION WE HAD BEFORE WAS I HAD, AND YOU GUYS FOLLOWED UP, IS THAT THE PUD REQUIRES THE HEART TRAIL.
THEY'VE ADDED THE HEART TRAIL TO THE DRAWING.
SO ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT YOU THINK WE NEED OR INFORMATION, UM, DO WE WANNA AUTHORIZE DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR WHAT WE SENT BACK? YES.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE OF DEVELOPMENT TO AUGUST 17TH AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING BOARD CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS RETURNABLE ON AUGUST 17TH.
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'CAUSE THE THIRD IS FULL.CONTINUE WORK ISSUES CHRIS ARTICLE BUSINESS.
OKAY, SO AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT OF ORDER.
SO, UH, NEXT ITEM WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE BROADWAY GROUP IN CONNECTION WITH A PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS VERY CLOSELY AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE WENT OVER A LOT OF THOSE THINGS AND SOME OF OUR DECISIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WERE THREE THREE.
UH, WE ONLY HAD SIX OF US HERE.
SO LET'S HAVE DOUG, WHO WAS NOT HERE AT THAT MEETING KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THOSE.
SORRY TO PUT YOU ON, YOU GIVEN A, DID YOU GIVE THE DOG A HEADS UP? YES.
AND FOR CLARIFI, YOU'RE NOT MAKING, THERE'S NO DECISIONS IN THE FBI ASKED.
WHAT THERE'S DIRECTION ON WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE AND YOU WERE SPLIT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, FOR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, COULD PROVIDE TIEBREAKER ON THE DIRECTIONS.
LEMME TRY AND BRING UP HOW 60 NOTES AT HOME LEFT YOUR NOTES AT HOME.
I DON'T, I KNOW I COULD READ THEM AGAIN.
SO I HAVE THE FBIS YEAH, IF YOU CAN, BECAUSE YEAH, GIMME A SECOND.
IT'LL BE EASIER TO, AND I WAS HOPING DURING MINUTES THAT IF YOU PROVIDE US, IF YOU DECIDE TO, TO ISSUE THIS FBIS, IT WOULD BE ISSUED WITH THE REVISIONS THAT YOU AUTHORIZED TONIGHT, RIGHT? YES, IT WOULD DEFINITELY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE THIS ISSUANCE OF THE FBIS WITH THE REVISIONS THAT YOU DIRECT US TO MAKE TONIGHT.
IT'S JUST THESE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, CORRECT? WHAT'S THAT? THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED STARTING AT COMMUNITY CARE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO THIS WAS, SO FIRST ONE WAS THE CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
WHETHER OR NOT THE CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN WOULD BE A PRACTICAL SOLUTION TO MITIGATE THE ISSUES RAISED REGARDING ZONING SETBACKS AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO THAT ONE WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS THREE.
SO IF THAT'S FOUR THREE, NO, YOU WANNA PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE RECORD OR THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH? OKAY.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD MORE IF YOU GOT, IF YOU GOT MORE AT IT.
SORRY, WHAT TIME
SO I CAN SAY, WELL WHAT IF WE DID? WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF THE MOVE HITS THE EARTH? YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO, TO ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN THE STATE DOT SAYS NO.
THEY'LL SAY, WELL MAYBE THEY SAID NO.
WHETHER OR NOT A 20 FOOT SETBACK IS AN APPROPRIATE MITIGATION WHEN THE 15 FOOT IS PROPOSED, A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROPERTY'S NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S USED AS RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE HAD THE TIE ON AGAIN, NO.
FIVE FOOT THAT'S GONNA MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WERE TIED.
ANY OTHERS THAT YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON
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SO, SO WE, WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS LAST TIME.ARE THERE, WE GONNA INCORPORATE DOUG'S REVISIONS? SO THOSE TWO WILL BE, UH, NO.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD CITED.
UH, ANY OTHER CHANGES WE WANNA TALK ABOUT? THERE'S A HIGHLIGHT IN THE FES ON PAGE 18.
UH, I'M ASSUMING YOU WANT COMMENTS ON THIS HERE? YEP.
SO THE STATEMENT SAYS, BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S REVIEW OF THIS INFORMATION, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT ADDITIONAL MEASURES ARE NEEDED TO PROTECT THE RURAL CHARACTER OF HEALTH ROAD AND THE AREA IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DO WE AGREE WITH THE STATEMENTS OR DO WE THINK THAT ADDITIONAL MEASURES ARE NOT NEEDED? RIGHT.
IS IT, ARE THEY NEEDED OR ARE THEY NOT NEEDED? RIGHT.
AND I BELIEVE BY SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION, SOME OF THEM WERE ADDITIONAL TREES REFERRED TO IN OTHER PLACES.
REMEMBER, WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL DECISION, THE FINDINGS, THE FINDINGS ARE THE KEY.
THE FINDINGS ARE, OKAY, NOW YOU'VE DECIDED YES, YOU EITHER MITIGATED THE MAX TECH PRACTICAL OR YOU CAN SUGGEST ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS, OR YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT THE PROJECT STILL HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I, I KIND OF LAID THAT OUT, BUT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS WORDED CORRECTLY.
YOU SOUNDED LIKE FROM WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THOSE ISSUES DEALING WITH RURAL CHARACTER, YOU THOUGHT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL MEASURES TAKEN.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY PRACTICAL OR NOT? WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION YET.
BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT, THAT YOU THOUGHT THERE WERE PROBABLY SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU COULD DO.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, TREES, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHTING IMPACT ALL RELATE TO CHARACTER HERE.
YOU THOUGHT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL THINGS DONE TO IMPROVE THAT CHARACT YEAH, I THINK YOU GOT THAT RIGHT.
SO THE NEXT ONE GIMME, UH, THERE'S ALSO TWO, UH, DISTANCES.
I'M ASSUMING YOU WILL HAVE JOSH FILL IN.
UM, THE NEXT HIGHLIGHT WERE, UM, PAGE 19.
JUST ABOVE COMMENT FIVE C UH, IT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OVERLAY THROUGH DESIGN CHANGES TO THE SITE.
AND ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IN THE DEIS IS THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION THAT THE CHANGES AND INFORMATION PROVIDED HAVE SHOWN THAT THE PROJECT
KIND OF LIKE THE ONE BEFORE WE WERE GETTING THAT WHOLE ISSUE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO IT WAS JUST KIND, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION HERE.
YOU'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING WE THOUGHT THAT, THAT, THAT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED OR THAT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS OR, BUT IT WAS HARD TO FOLLOW ON THE CONVERSATION
I MEAN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURE, UH, WAS LOOK AT THE BUILDING, UM, ALL SIX OF US THAT WERE THERE AT THE TIME SAID YES.
ARCHITECTURAL, I, I CAN MAKE AN EASY ANSWER TO THIS ONE.
JUST SAY THE APPLICANT HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS.
CONTINUE DECIDE AND ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IN THE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION YET.
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE TALKING ABOUT IN OTHER PLACES IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THIS, LET'S JUST REMOVE THAT SENTENCE.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION.
I LIKE NOT MAKING DECISIONS
BUT AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
SO AT THE, THE NEXT ONE IS ON PAGE 25 AND WE ARE REGARDING COM, UH, COMMENT SIX M, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF TRAFFIC ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN ISSUES.
UM, I THINK, UH, DO WE NEED TO MOVE THE PART IN, ON THE COMMENT THAT JUST SAYS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE A NOTE TO US PLANNING BOARD TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC SAFETY REVIEW? YEAH.
THAT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
YOU SEE THAT IN THE, IN COMMENT SIX M AND THE ITALIES CHECKS IN THE COMMENT IN ITAL.
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THERE'S A PARENTHETICAL NOTE THAT I THINK WAS A NOTE TO US.I DON'T THINK IT WAS PART OF THE COMMENT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE STRUCK FROM THE DOCUMENT.
THAT'S NOT THE COPY, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD, I SHOULD MAKE A COMMENT.
THE BOARD HAS DECIDED THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, INDEPENDENT REVIEW MEETING.
WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SO I'LL KIND OF CHANGE THAT MIC.
YEAH, DELETE THAT, BUT DELETE WHAT'S IN THE, OKAY.
AND THEN THE, THE YELLOWS PART THEN SAYS, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE NEW INFORMATION SUBMITTED AND CLARIFICATIONS TO THE STUDY BELIEVES THAT ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS OR ALTERNATIVES ARE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CONCERNS AROUND THE PROFIT AREA.
I DON'T DUNNO WHY THIS IS ALL HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE VOTED IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT THAT WAS TRUE, RIGHT? ACCURATELY DESCRIBES THE CONCERNS.
I'M, I'M JUST PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS A LITTLE, SO IT WAS FINE.
I'LL LEAVE IT THE WAY IT, I MEAN THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE, YEAH.
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT, THAT CAN BE THE FINE.
I THINK THE MAJORITY DECISION WAS THAT THEY MITIGATED IT TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL, BUT THE SAFETY CONCERN STILL IN NATURE.
SO IF WE WANT TO JUST SIMPLIFY THE SENTENCE TO, TO SAY WHAT WE DECIDED, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER.
YOU GOT THE JUROR, THE PLANNING BOARD DETERMINED THAT THEY MITIGATED IT TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT, PRACTICAL.
BUT THOSE MITIGATIONS DID NOT SATISFY THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
SAFETY CONCERNS STILL REMAIN AFTER THE MITIGATIONS.
WHAT SAFETY CONCERNS STILL EXIST? I THINK YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM, EVERYBODY.
AND I'M GONNA PUT A SENTENCE IN FRONT OF THAT BASICALLY SAYING, BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC GOES NEEDED.
I'M SAY THE WAS DETERMINED THAT STUDY IS NOT NEEDED.
WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED IN DECISION, CORRECT? NO, I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST DELETE WHAT'S IN PARENTHESES AND LEAVE IT HOW IT'S NO, BUT THEIR COMMENT WAS INVENTED REVIEW.
WELL THE APPLICANT RESPONDED TO IT, THEIR OPINION, THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT INDEPENDENT.
IN THEIR OPINION, THEY DIDN'T THINK WAS NEEDED.
THE NEXT COMMENT IS ON PAGE 20 OR HIGHLIGHTED IS ON PAGE 26 UNDER COMMENT SEVEN A, WHICH WAS ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES AT THE SITE.
UM, HIGHLIGHTED IS BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVES THAT ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS OR ALTERNATIVES ARE NEEDED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FROM THE TREE REMOVAL.
HOW DID THAT THE LAST WEEK I YOU GUYS ADDITIONAL TREES AND SO THAT ONE AS IS, YOU'RE JUST ALERTING US TO THAT ONE.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS FOUR SAID ADDITIONAL AND TWO SAID THAT IT WAS A RIOT.
FOUR SAID NO, TWO SAID ADDITIONAL.
SO FOUR SAID FOUR SAID THAT THE, THAT WHAT THEY DID WAS SAID ENOUGH.
SO I THINK THEN THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO SAY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, THAT NO ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS ARE NEEDED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.
SO I THINK IT SAYS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WAS SUFFICIENT.
NO, THEY WOULDN'T BE VOTED THE OPPOSITE.
OH, THE PLANNING EARLIER ON SAID YOU NEEDED 10 MORE TREES AND WHATEVER.
I ASKED HIS MEMBERS IF THE PROPOSED MITIGATION AS PROPOSED MITIGATES THE LOSS OF TREES TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL.
AND SO DOES, DO THEY MITIGATE IT? FOUR PEOPLE SAID NO, THEY DID NOT.
AND TWO PEOPLE SENDING US THE DAY.
SO, SO IT WHAT'S HERE IS CORRECT.
RIGHT? SO IT'S ON THERE IS CORRECT.
OTHER THAN THERE ARE SOME FOOTNOTES ON THE APPENDIX COVER PAGES THAT NEED THE STILL SAY APRIL BLANK 2022, THE BACK.
AND THEN DO WE NEED ANY UPDATES TO THE LIST OF ACRONYMS AND ABBREVIATIONS? CAN, DO YOU HAVE A TECH EDITOR THAT CAN CHECK THAT? GOOD.
I MEAN IF IT'S IN THERE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, IF IT'S APPENDED TO THE FEIS SOLUTION, PROBABLY WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK THEM.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR, AND I'M JUST CONFIRMING, UM, DID WE RECEIVE, THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE US AN UPDATED PDF OF THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS BLURRY IN THE LAST, IN THE PDF VERSION THAT WAS PROVIDED.
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I DIDN'T SAY THEY WOULD DO THAT.YOU SAID YOU WANTED A CLEAR VERSION, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THEM SAY THEY DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE WE, AND WE GOTTA, YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE, LOOKS LIKE IT KIND DIDN'T SCANNED IT THROUGH SCANNER.
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE WHAT WE DECIDE ON THE FEIS.
SO NO, IT JUST PUTS IT IN THERE.
SO IT JUST HELP FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT STAGE.
THE RESOLUTION IS VERY SIMPLE.
BASICALLY YOU'RE AUTHORIZING THAT TO ISSUE THE FEIS HAS AMENDED TONIGHT.
SO MOTION TO ISSUE THE FEIS ON BROADWAY GROUP AS WE AMENDED IT TONIGHT.
SO IT'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. POSSE.
ALL IN FAVOR? SO TOMORROW MORNING I DRAFT OF THE FINDINGS DOCUMENT.
THERE'LL BE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
PROBABLY YOU WILL TABLE THIS FOR NOT TO THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THE MEETING AFTER, YOU HAVE TO WAIT A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS TO ISSUE FINDINGS.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS IS FOR THE PUBLIC, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON AND PROVIDE COMMENTS.
AND THE OTHER PURPOSE IS FOR ME TO SUBMIT THAT TO OTHER INVOLVED AGENCIES AND TRY TO COORDINATE THEM BECAUSE I MAKE, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THOSE OTHER AGENCIES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY READ WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT FDIS.
SO SPECIFICALLY, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE DOT.
THE DOT IS A BIG PLAYER IN THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE GONNA CALL THEM AND SAY THESE ARE COMING THE, SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS MAKING OR HAS TO MAKE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH YOU, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A PLAYER IF THE ACCESS, BUT THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
YOU ARE IMPACTING THEIR INTERSECTION.
AND THAT CURB CUT IS WITHIN X AMOUNT OF FEET OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE STATE HIGHWAY.
THEY ARE INVOLVED, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE INVOLVED, INTERESTED AGENCY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO REACH OUT TO THE DEC.
THEY HAD VERY LITTLE COMMENT ON THIS.
SO THE ONLY AGENCY I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO IS GONNA BE THE DOT BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE THE BIGGEST I A QUESTION THE DOT SAYS NO POINT.
WHY WOULD THEY STILL BE INVOLVED? JUST INFORMATIONAL.
I MEAN WHY? 'CAUSE, BECAUSE 'CAUSE THEY CONTROL THE INTERSECTION.
I I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA JUST SAY TRAFFIC RELATED ISSUES ARE THESE ARE THE DECISIONS AND ISSUES THAT WERE ISSUED IN THE FBIS.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THEM? I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY HAD THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAID.
THIS IS OUR REVIEW OF IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I MEAN, IT'S DON'T HAVE TO SEND THAT TO ALL THE AGENCIES.
YOU HAVE TO SEND IT TO ALL THE AGENCIES.
BUT I FOLLOW UP TYPICALLY, MY, MY HOW I OPERATE IS TYPICALLY IF THERE WAS CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES, I TEND TO FOLLOW UP AT THE AGENCY, MAKE SURE I CLEARLY, THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD AND I CLEAR CLEARLY, WE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT THEIR INPUT WAS.
SO JUST NO THANKS FOR THE ANSWER.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY AS WELL, FOR THE RECORD, SO THIS GETS FILED ON THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL, IT GOES ON THE E IN THE EB.
IT ALSO GETS SENT TO THE OTHER INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES.
AND SO SARAH TAKES CARE OF DOING ALL THE FILES, SO DON'T APPLY.
IT'S NOT TO BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO SUBMIT LETTERS TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING ON AN FCIS AJU ISSUE LETTERS.
YOU CAN WAIT A MINIMUM 10 DAYS, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT.
SO I DON'T WANNA CUT THAT SHORT BE 14 DAYS.
I'D RATHER GO A FULL MONTH AND THEN YOU HAVE TIME TO REVIEW ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED, GIVE GOOD DIRECTION TO US ON ISSUING THAT FINDING.
WE'RE, WE'RE FULL ON THE THIRD ANYWAY, SO, OKAY.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BROADWAY GROUP TO AUGUST THE 17TH.
A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHUCK BOCK IS REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A REVISED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN, APPROVAL REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT NEW MANY STORAGE BUILDINGS AT 1975 LAKEVIEW ROAD AND 1983 LAKE VIEW ROAD.
JENNIFER CONTE FROM LADEN ARCHITECTURE AND HERE TO REPRESENT MR. BAKIS.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA GO OVER THE FEW THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS AT AND THE CHANGES THAT, UH, HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN.
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SPECIFICALLY, UH, TO BREAK UP THE LONG FACADE ON THE NEW BUILDING, WE'VE ADDED SOME WINDOWS.THEY'RE REAL WINDOWS, BUT THEY'LL BE BLOCKED OUT SO THAT ON THE INSIDE, THE PRIVACY OF THAT STORAGE UNIT IS STILL, UH, MAINTAINED.
AND AS FAR AS COLORS, I HAVE SOME, I'VE SUBMITTED SOME PHOTOS OF THE FRONT BUILDING, THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS ALREADY COMPLETED.
AND THESE ARE THE COLORS THAT WILL BE MATCHED.
THE BODY OF THE BUILDING IS A TOTE COLOR.
THE BOTTOM PORTION ALONG THE STREET FRONT WILL BE THE DARKER BROWN.
THE TRIM BOARDS ARE ALL THE DARKER BROWN AS WELL.
AND AS FAR AS LIGHTING, WE'RE MATCHING THE LIGHTING ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS ALL LEDS AND DOWNLIGHTS.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE SITE, UH, THOSE WILL ALSO BE THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT LEDS.
UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT THE FENCING.
THE PLAN IS TO FENCE THE BACK PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS THE SIDE, WHICH ALTHOUGH THIS LOT ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL LOT, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A RESIDENCE ON IT.
UH, CHUCK STOPPED IN A COUPLE OF TIMES TO CONTACT THAT HOMEOWNER AND DISCUSS WHAT HE PLANS TO DO ON THAT ADJACENT PARCEL.
AND NOBODY'S HOME, OR IT'S NOT ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY SOMEONE LIVING THERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE FENCING, IT'S A SIX FOOT FENCE.
HE'S NOT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS FAR AS WOOD OR PVC OR COLORS.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE, HE IS OPEN TO YOUR SUGGESTIONS.
AND I THINK THAT COVERS THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ON LAST MEETING.
DO YOU, YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS? FOR ME? AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS WHAT WE DEALT WITH.
THE FIRST APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, IT ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE WERE CONCERNED AND WITH THE APPEARANCE OF THIS, OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS NEW, I'M GLAD THEY HAVE SOME RENDERING THERE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DOWNTOWN LAKEVIEW.
MAKE SURE THE APPEARANCE FENCING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE ROAD.
WE'RE TRYING TO NEW CONFERENCE LAND, TALKS ABOUT IMPROVING THE IMAGE OF DOWNTOWN LAKE VIEW.
MATTER FACT, WE'RE GONNA REZONE ALL THE REMAINING INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES FROM INDUSTRIALS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE REZONED TO? THEY'RE REZONED TO PROBABLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
ARE THERE SIDEWALKS? ARE THERE SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA? IT'S PAVEMENT UP TO THE ROAD, ISN'T IT? IT IS PAVED RIGHT TO THE ROAD.
YES, THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE SIDE STREET.
SO IS IT GONNA FIT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THIS? I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY PAVED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
WELL THE LAW REQUIRES US TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN.
YOU'D HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY WAVE THEM.
WELL, I, IF IT'S PAVED ALREADY, YOU CAN JUST PAINT A LINE AND SPRAY PAINT LIKE A PERSON WALKING.
WE, WE RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE 200 FEET FROM THE BIRD PARKWAY DIFFERENT.
I'M READING MY NOTES THAT ALSO A STORAGE.
TWO STORAGE FACILITIES NEAR A BURKE.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TOWN.
I MISTAKE A NO, THAT WAS A GOOD, UH, IF THE SURROUNDING CAN, IF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE BE RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE WALKING.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE, SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO SIDEWALK DEMAR WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE WALKING.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT SEEMS SIMPLE TO ME.
YEAH, IT'S
RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL FRONTAGE TOO.
YEAH, I WAS JUST LOOKING TO SEE THE, THE PARKING THAT IS NEAR THE BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS FAR AS WHERE THAT DEMARCATION LINE WOULD BE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE CARS IN THE WAY OF THAT, EVEN IF THEY'RE PARKED IN FRONT FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO, AND PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO, ARE THERE, IS IT CLEAR WHERE
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PEOPLE ENTER THE PARKING LOT THEN? YEAH.AND, AND IT'LL, IT'LL BE DESIGNATED THAT SOME OF THESE ON THE SITE ARE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC AND ONE-WAY TRAFFIC IS THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND THEN TWO, UH, LOCATIONS TO EXIT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO CURB.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE MAKE SOME SORT OF ARROWS OR STRIPING WOULD BE HELPFUL OR YEAH, AS LONG AS IT'S, YEAH.
SOMETHING TO MAKE CLEAR THAT PEOPLE ENTER AND EXIT AT A SPECIFIC POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A, YOU'RE GONNA, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA DEMARCATE A SIDEWALK, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE LIKE DRIVING.
DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S, IF THERE'S A CURB THERE ANYWHERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ONE ANYWHERE BETTER.
GIANT PLANTER OR STATUE OF YOUR FAVORITE HORSE CHAIR THERE.
YOU EVERYBODY CAN GET TOGETHER.
WHY, WHY ARE WE SAYING NO STATUE OF THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR? I JUST THINK I, WAIT, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.
THERE'S NO REASON THERE'S NOT, RIGHT.
SOMETHING TO WHATEVER MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S, IT WAS STILL MOMENT FOR GREATNESS RIGHT THERE.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT STEP ON THIS ONE IS TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE THINK WE NEED BEFORE WE DO THAT? ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CHUCK BECK IS ON AUGUST 17TH.
A HERE'S HERE'S YOUR ONE STORAGE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AT 3 9 5 0 THE PARKWAY.
THE PRESSING QUESTION WE HAVE ON GOOD EVENING.
SO YEAH, I, I TALKED TO LISA AND MARK AFTER THE FOLLOWING DAY AFTER THE MEETING, WE ALL AGREED THAT THE PAPER STREET DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT BECAUSE, WELL, ONE IS PRIVATELY OWNED, IT'S NOT ONE BY THE TOWN.
UH, SO THERE WAS THAT, BUT ALSO THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT EVER BEING BUILT OUT BASED ON THAT THEFT WAS VERY UNLIKELY.
AND THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE PARKWAY IN THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND BECAUSE IT WAS A INTERPRETATION OF THE TOWN CODE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, HE ALSO AGREED, HE, I, I SPOKE WITH HIM FIRST AND THEN I SPOKE WITH TIM MU SAID THAT THEY, THEY, THAT PART OF THE CODE, THE WORDING IN THAT CODE REFERS TO THE STREET AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
HE SAID IT WAS A FRONTAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE DISCUSSED THAT IT WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED LAND ANYWAY.
AND THEN I ALSO SPOKE WITH MARK AND LISA AND WE ALL AGREED THAT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE CONSIDERED MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
AND THIS, WAIT, SO WHY ISN'T THAT AS IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE TOWN TO BE A, A ROAD AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
SO IT SETBACK THE TOWN HAS NO ABILITY TO EVEN SHOULD THEY WANT MAKE IT A ROAD UNLESS CORRECT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A SECTION THAT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY SOLD OFF TO LABORATORY DOESN'T EXIST.
THE PORTIONS RIGHT NEXT TO OUR PARCEL ARE NO LONGER DOWN HOME.
AND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS 200 FEET FROM WHERE THE ROAD IS IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS.
THERE'S LIKE THE ACTUALLY 211 FEET BACK IS THE CLOSEST POINT.
SO, AND IT'S WELL OVER THE OTHER WAY TO THE OTHER END OF PARK PARKWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT EVEN THERE, THERE, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST THAT THAT PART OF CODE ONLY REPORTS TO A PARK.
IN THAT CASE, THE PAPER ROAD IS NOT CONSIDERED A RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT? SO SECTION OF ALLY PERMIT ALL SAYS YOU MUST SCREEN IT FROM THE, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT IT SCREEN.
NOW TIM ALSO SAID HE THOUGHT, AGAIN, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
HE THOUGHT YOU PROBABLY NEED LIKE A NINE FOOT FENCE TO SCREEN THAT FROM ROOF.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT, GONNA BE SCREENED BY THE STRUCTURE AND BY, SO HE WANTS A NINE FOOT.
HOW TALL IS BUILDING THE BUILDING MEETS YOUR CODE 35.
THAT BUILDINGS I'M NO, I'M SAYING THE TWO BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF IT ARE OVER NINE TALL.
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BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH.YOUR CODE ACTUALLY SAYS SIX FOOT FOR THIS SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE.
SIX FOOT IS YOUR MAX IN THE ACTUAL SPECIAL USE CODE.
IT'S A LOOSE DIMENSION, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE ASPECIFIC, IT DOESN'T SAY SO EIGHT FOOT WOULD BE GREAT.
SIX FOOT IS WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANS NOW SO THAT IT ACTUALLY MEETS YOUR CODE.
IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE THE FENCE A LITTLE BIT TALLER.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS MADE THAT, UM, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? HAD THE, THE TOWING AND PLACE.
OH, THE STORY LEE STORY? NO, THE GUY, THE GUY HAD THE TOWING PLACE.
TROLLING PLACE ON THE CORNER OF HOWARD AND CAMP.
YOU MADE HIM GO BE MM-HMM
LIVED AT THE SAME OH, THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT YEP.
AND IF IT'S TOWING AND IF IT'S RECOVERED VEHICLES, THAT DOES NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO, AND LIFE STORAGE IS FINE WITH EITHER WAY.
YOU DID NOT AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE APPROVAL RESOLUTION, BUT WE DID DRAFT THEM TO HELP YOU WITH CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THREE DECISIONS.
YOU HAVE SEEKER SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR THIRD IS TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS.
THE FOUR CRITERIA FOR GENERAL AND THE TWO CRITERIA FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PENDING CONDITIONS ATTACHED.
SO WE PUT THOSE TOGETHER JUST TO HELP YOU WITH CONVERSATION.
HAVE THE MINUTES BECAUSE I F*****G DID ALL I I HAVE FRONT MEETING TO AUTHORIZE.
AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR DRAFT RESOLUTION.
WELL JUST SEARCHING THROUGH TO SEE IF I HAVE, YEAH, NO, NO THAT IN HERE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THE, IF THE CAME BACK THE OTHER WAY THEN NOT, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN SINCE THE LAST TIME.
I HAVE SMALL 11 BY SEVENTEENS WITH ME AGAIN IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SEE 'EM.
DOUG, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME.
SO THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SEE OR ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT? THINK WE DECIDED LAST THAT WE, WE ALREADY SHOW, THEY SHOW ON THE, THE COMMENTS WE GOT WERE SIDEWALKS.
THAT IS
DECREASE BIG GENERATOR OF WATER BASEMENT OR USER OF WATER.
I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A BATHROOM IN THE OFFICE AND THAT'S, WE HAVE A BATHROOM IN THE NEW BUILDING.
THE UTILITIES FOR THE OLD BUILDING OUR OR SANITARY UTILITIES NAME ABANDONED SPACE.
WE DID SEND YOU THE DRAFT OF THE PART TWO OF THE PART THREE OF THE SHORT FOR ALRIGHT, SO DO WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ARE READY TO MAKE THE DECISION TO ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY? IS THERE ANY REASON WHY I SHOULD NOT? UH, YES, WE NEED TO FILL IN ON THE DRAFT OF PART THREE.
THERE IS A SPOT WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT COMMUNITY DIRECTOR.
THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE CHECKED AS THERE MAY BE A MODERATE LARGE IMPACT.
ONE WAS, WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION RESULT IN A CHANGE IN THE USE FOR INTENSITY OF LAND AND THE, AND TWO, THE OTHER ONE IS THREE.
WILL THE PROPOSED ACTION COMPARE THE CHARACTER, CHARACTER OR QUALITIES EXISTING COMMUNITY OR THE, THESE ARE THE ANSWER THAT ONE BY ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO PERMIT IT AND IT FITS INTO THE CHARACTER.
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KIND OF A 22, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORLD BE DETRIMENTAL.SO, SO GOING BACK TO PART THREE.
SO THE FIRST ONE SAYS CHANGE IN INTENSITY OF USE OF THE LAND.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY PARTIALLY DEVELOPED AND THIS PROPOSED USE WILL NOT CAUSE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE INTENSITY OF THE USE OF THE LAND.
WE MAY WANT TO ALSO JUST ADD A NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE A NET REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT'S INTENSITY OF USE, NOT INTENSITY AND IS RIGHT INTENSITY OF USE OF THE LAND.
USE OR INTENSITY OF USE OF LAND.
BUT STORAGE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE HOTEL.
SO IT'S A CHANGE USE, IT'S A CHANGING USE BUT IT WILL HAVE TO MORE INTENSE.
NO, AND THEN THE IMPERIOUS, IT CAN'T BE MORE INTENSE THAN A HOTEL ESTABLISHMENT THAT RIGHT.
SO THE SECOND ITEM WAS COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
AND WHAT IT SAYS SO FAR IS BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT DO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOLKS.
BUT WE GOTTA MAKE THAT SECRET DETERMINATION BEFORE WE CAN EVEN VOTE ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, BUT TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NOW AND IF YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE NEEDING IT THEN, SO THE QUESTION IS, IS DO PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND THE AREA? SO THERE'S THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES.
IT'S ON A FOUR LANE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, RETAIL, BOTH DIRECTIONS.
NOT EXPECTED AT A HIGHWAY, A HIGH LOAD OF TRAFFIC WITH SOME OF THE OTHER RETAIL USE LIKE ZER.
AND THE CODE WAS WRITTEN, THE FACT THAT IF THIS WAS LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, MINI STORAGE FACILITIES, WE DON'T WANT THOSE IN THERE.
THIS IS AN EXISTING FULL SCALE BUILDING, AT LEAST THAT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND NOT LIKE MINI STORAGE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT, COMMUNITY CHARACTER WAS THE ISSUE OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, AND THE SCREENING OF THAT AND THE LANDSCAPE AND RATHER TRYING TO BLEND IT INTO THE CHARACTER.
I KNOW THE USE IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST USE IN THE WORLD.
AT LEAST IT BLEND INTO THE CHARACTER.
I I THINK THE FINAL ANSWER THAT QUESTION BASED ON PEOPLE'S COMMENTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY IT FITS WITH THE CHARACTER.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY IT WON'T.
WELL I THINK WE AS A BOARD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THAT OR NOT.
UM, SAME THE FS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO FILL THIS IN SO WE CAN SIGN IT.
WELL, WELL HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
HOW ABOUT THIS? SO I'LL READ THE RESOLUTION.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LAST THING THAT'S REMAINING IN THE RESOLUTION.
IF THE RESOLUTION FAILS, THEN THE ANSWER IS IT DOESN'T MEET THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND THE RESOLUTION PASSES, THEN THE ANSWER WOULD BE IT DOES.
WELL THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION FIRST BEFORE YOU RIGHT, THE SECRET SOLUTION.
WILL YOU, SIR, REMIND ME, WILL THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BE COMPLETELY SCREENED FROM FRONT? WE'VE GOT BOTH BUILDINGS AND THEN ACTUALLY THIS IS GONNA BE A OPAQUE FENCE SO YOU WON'T EVEN SEE IT.
A PRIVACY CABLE PRIVACY FENCE.
SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS IS LESS THAN 50 FEET WITH A 45 MILE AN HOUR ROAD ON KINLEY.
YEAH, ABOUT A SECOND TO SEE ANYTHING.
THE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY BLOCKING MOST OF THE VIEW.
SO IF YOU SEE 'EM, IT'LL JUST BE TO THE EXTENT WHICH THEY APPEAR ABOVE PRIVACY FENCE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY MINOR BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL GRADES OF THE SITE.
WITH MCKINLEY AND DROP, EVEN USING WITH LIKE A, AN SUV, IT'S GOT LIKE A FIVE FOOT EYE LEVEL NOW, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT A SUPER TALL AIR CONDITIONING UNIT ON IT, IT MIGHT SEE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT GENERALLY BASED ON THE GRADING, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE MUCH.
EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT AND THAT THOSE COUNT ARE BASED ON THE SIX FOOT.
SO, AND THAT WAS EIGHT FOOT EVEN HELP THAT PROBLEM.
DID YOU APPLY FOR REUSE FUNDS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL A HAMBURG IDA? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE.
I OBJECT, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
THE AVERAGE HEIGHT OF AN RV IS 10 TO 12 FEET.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS WILL VARY BETWEEN THE RV TIME CLASS.
ARBS ARE USUALLY 13 TO 14 FEET TALL AND THE SMALLER CLASS B ARE USUALLY ABOUT EIGHT FEET TALL.
CLASS A IS THE ONE OF LIKE A GIANT FLOSS.
AND SO WILL YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE BACK THERE? MAYBE YOU MIGHT, YOU ALSO HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN THE GRADE, IN THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THAT ACTUALLY WORKS IN OUR FAVOR, LUCKILY.
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WHAT'S THAT? SO WE, WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT CAN ONLY HAVE IN OUR, SO I YOU COULD ALSO MAKE A CONDITION OF WHERE THE CLASS A RVS COULD BE PARKED.YOU'VE GOT THE BUILDINGS STORAGE BACK HERE, LIKE HERE.
YOU, YOU PARK THEM ONLY BEHIND THE BUILDING.
YEAH, MORE HOW SO THINK WE WANNA DIFFERENTIATE, YOU CAN SEE RATHER THAN BY CLASS R.
RIGHT? SO YOU WANNA SAY THAT VEHICLES OVER 10 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAYBE VARY BY MANUFACTURERS? I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST NOT SO MUCH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT KIND OF VEGETATION, SOMETHING THAT WILL SURVIVE POTENTIAL SALT AND EXPOSURE? I MEAN I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE COULD ASK THAT.
THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD ALSO JUST COORDINATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU COULD ADD THAT TAMMY CAMMY'S EMAIL IF TAMMY'S MEMO HAS THAT, THAT THE PLANNING DEPART HAS SIGN OFF.
IF YOU WANNA CHANGE THAT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
I MEAN THEY DIDN'T, THEY WAITED ON, NORMALLY DID THE BANK ON RIGHT.
SO THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME LIKE SURVIVING.
SO IT'S ALL BEEN EASY SUBSTITUTION SO FAR.
YOU'VE GOT SOME EXISTING MAPLES THERE OUT FRONT WITHIN THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ACTUALLY EXISTING MAPLE TREES OUT.
BEYOND OUR PROPERTY LINES ALONG MCKINLEY AND WITHIN, HOW LONG DID YOU CUT? WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR ONE EVERY 30 FEET.
RIGHT? SO WILL THOSE GET KNOCKED OFF BY THE SIDEWALK? NOPE.
THE UM, SHOULD BE FAR OUT THE WAY THE ACTUAL SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE MAPLES, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 14 OF THAT SMALL SETS, YOU JUST GOT A COUPLE PAGES.
SO KEEP IN MIND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONDITIONS FOR SPECIALTIES FOR VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONDITIONS FOR SITE SITE THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING AND THE THINGS THAT CAN EXCELLENT ESPECI OPERATIONAL ALREADY DONE THAT COPY YOUR HOUSE.
UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING, I CAN SAY THE EXISTING BUILDING, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
SO IT, THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS EXISTING, THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS NEAR CORRECT? CORRECT.
SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARCEL IS THE EXISTING KIN.
OKAY, SO THE NEW BUILDING, THAT ONE'S HOW TALL? 35.
SO IF I SAY ANY VEHICLE OVER ANY ANY THING OVER EIGHT FEET TALL IN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE HAS TO BE BEHIND THE NEW BUILDING.
THAT'S A CLEAR ENOUGH FIT DESCRIPTION FOR US TO KNOW WHERE IT GOES.
I'M GONNA PROBABLY SHOOT MYSELF WITH THIS ONE, BUT ALL OF THE STORAGE IS BEHIND ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IS A GLIMPSE OF IT THROUGH THIS DRIVEWAY AREA WHERE THE FENCE LINES.
NOW THAT'S GONNA BE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
YOU MAY SEE A COUPLE RV'S PARKED IN HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUT THIS, THESE ARE THE SHORTER PARKING SPACES AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA PARK A CLASS A.
SO IF WE SAY 40 FOOTER, IT WAS RIGHT HERE.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU PARK? THEY'RE GONNA BE IN ONE OF THE LONGER IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE LOSS.
I THINK IF YOU WANT TO LIMIT IT TO THE, OR BE NEBULOUS THAT THE RVS NEED TO BE PARKED BEHIND THE BUILDING SO THAT THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE TO MCKINLEY THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE WOULD START WITH THAT SEEKER RESOLUTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE
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PERMIT IN SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM LIFE STORAGE TO CONSTRUCT A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY AT 3 9 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.AND WHEREAS THE ED PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHEREAS THE ED PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS FOUR TO FIVE AMENDMENT FIVE MOTION CARRIED.
SO WHEN YOU REVISE THE EAF BASED ON THAT DECISION, YOU PROBABLY JUST PUT A NEW DATE ON THE TOP OF IT.
DETERMINE THAT THE CHARACTER, RIGHT? YOU CAN PULL SOME OF THE NOTES FROM EARLIER THE MEETING ABOUT THE IS THAT, AND YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE THEN.
WHEREAS, SO THIS IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS REVIEWED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM LIFE STORAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUTDOOR STORAGE BASED ON A DETERMINATION BY THE TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 8 0 DASH THREE 12 AND 2 8 0 DASH 3 26 1.
PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE AND OUTDOOR STORAGE.
THAT ONE THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF SECTION TWO EIGHT DASH THREE 12.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE THE HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFIC SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 26 0.1.
UH, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA MUST BE AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY AND INCLUDE LANDSCAPING TO PROPERLY SCREEN IT FROM THE ROAD IF NECESSARY IN ALL AREAS ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OR USES SHALL BE SCREENED FROM THEM BY LAND A LANDSCAPED BURN.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED IN THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING SHALL BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS AND THE FINAL PLAN MUST BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THE PLAN MUST INCLUDE FENCING OF AT LEAST EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.
TWO, ANY ITEM OVER EIGHT FEET TALL IN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA MAY ONLY BE STORED BEHIND THE BUILDING SO IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM MCKINNEY.
PREPARED THIRD IS GONNA BE SITE PLAN.
YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED ALREADY, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION.
READY? DO WITH SITE PLAN, HAVE YOU DETERMINED WHAT SITE EFFECTS YOU WANT SAID
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PIPE OR WHAT TYPE OF FENCE THAT WOULD BE? I THINK THERE AN OPAQUE FENCE.WHAT YOU CANNOT SEE THROUGH THERE YOU GO ADD SOMETHING.
DO THERE THEY ASK, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CHAIN LINK, RIGHT? OR A CHAIN WITH SLATS IN IT.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THEY PUT UP A FENCE? THERE'S SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE IN
IT'S THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS WE AGREED TO DO A SO WE PAPER NOT WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THAT FENCE.
HANA HAMMER PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE LIFE STORAGE PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 3 9 5 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JULY 15TH, 2022.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THREE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT WAIVED AND MUST BE COMPLETED.
THIS COURT DEFENSE AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS DEFENSE FOUR.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE LANDSCAPING ONE SUPPOSED TO.
YOU WANNA ADD A CONDITION? THE DEFENSE HAS TO BE OPAQUE.
DEFENSE BEING OPAQUE SHOULD BE IN SPECIALIST USE PERMIT CONDITIONS.
THE DEFENSE IS THE, THE CONDITION OF SPECIAL PERMIT.
THE MOTION IS READ BEFORE I I OKAY.
ALRIGHT, YOU ARE ALL SET WITH US.
I APPRECIATE THOSE AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE TIM WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID BURKE REQUESTING REZONING OF A PORTION OF VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF RILEY BOULEVARD FROM C TWO TO NC IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT WORKFORCE RENTAL, WORKFORCE RENTAL HOUSING PROJECT.
SO I, I THINK WHEN WE LAST LEFT OFF ON THIS, WE WERE GONNA WORK ON WHAT WE WANTED IN A MEMO TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD, RIGHT? WE HAVE A DRAFT THOSE, JOSH, THAT WE NEED TO FILL.
ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS GOT MY DRAFT OUTLINE OF A REPORT AND I DID DO A RESOLUTION WANTED
WE HAD ASK FOR AS UH, WAS AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT ELSE WAS PLAN FOR THE BUSINESS PARK AND MR. BUR IS HERE.
MAYBE HE WANTS TO WALK US THROUGH.
THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION SUBMITTED ON THAT, UM, ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER LOTS ARE INTENDED OUTSIDE OF THIS ONE.
UM, THIS SITE HERE YET TO BE DETERMINED ACROSS THE STREET.
I HAVE A CONTRACT, UH, FOR THIS ONE.
THE ONE IS ON UH, GO BAYVIEW UP TO THE TOWNHOUSE BAR AND UH, MUST SIDE BE CAR WASH.
I HAVE A CONTRACT FOR A GENTLEMAN THAT'S GONNA BE IN HERE FOR A SELF STORAGE FULL SCALE BUILDING.
FULL, FULL SCALE BUILDING SIMILAR TO WHAT ROB JUST PRESENTED.
HE'S GETTING SLAMMED TOGETHER.
I KNOW THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN IN HERE PRIOR ON THAT SAME SITE.
UM, HE'S NO LONGER, UH, INVOLVED AND YOU GUYS APPROVED THE CAR WASH AT THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
WE APPROVED THAT APOLLO CONCRETE, BUT THEY NEVER WENT FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO THAT PIECE IS AVAILABLE THEN? WELL NO APOLLO CONCRETE CLOSED ON THAT PROPERTY, SO OH, THEY OWN IT BUT THEY, THEY OWN IT.
UM, THEY CHOSE TO BUY THE, UH, OLDS TIRE STORE USED S BIKE,
AND HE'S UH, PUTTING HIS HEADQUARTERS, HE HIS GARAGE FLOOR PUT HEADQUARTERS OVER THERE.
BUT UM, SO THIS WILL BE SLATED FOR SELF STORAGE.
THAT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU I WOULD HOPE IN
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A COUPLE MONTHS.UM, I KNOW CHRIS WOOD IS GONNA WORK ON THAT WITH UM, GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF GREG STO.
SO THE WHOLE SITE'S SPOKEN FOR OTHER THAN THIS.
NOW I AM FLEXIBLE AND OPEN, BUT I REALLY THINK THE BEST USE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLY A SENIOR FACILITY OR ADDITIONAL STORAGE.
SO I'M AMENDABLE FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER WOULD WORK BEST.
UM, IF WE WERE GONNA BE MULTIFAMILY, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO ZONE THIS, THE NC DESIGNATION THAT MR. MANN'S SEEKING ON, ON THIS PERSON.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SLIVER PERSON NEXT TO THE BAR, CORRECT.
THAT WOULD TRANSFER TO THE BAR FOR THEIR PARKING.
THIS LITTLE, WELL, THE NEXT TO THE BAR, UM, I TALKED TO THE, I FOLLOW NOW WE OWN RIGHT UP, LITERALLY RIGHT UP TO THE BAR ON THE ONE SIDE.
AND IN FACT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EGRESS OUT TO UH, SOUTH, SOUTH PARK AND ON THE BACKSIDE WE OWN PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UP TO THE BACK DOOR.
UM, I THOUGHT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS DE THEM, UH, ABOUT 30 FOOT, WHICH THEY WOULD PUT AS PART OF THEIR PARCEL AND THEN THEY'LL OWN IT.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE, THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE A LEASE THAT'S NOT REALLY A MONETARY TYPE THING, BUT WE HAVE A LEASE WITH THEM EVERY YEAR, THE INSURANCE DOLLARS FOR THAT.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
THE REST OF THE PARCEL WOULD GO WITH THE SELF STORAGE OUT IN FRONT OF THE CAR WASH.
AND THAT COULD BE A PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS AGAIN, THEY APPLIED FOR THE ONE PIECE, BUT YOU COULD SAY THAT THE TOWN BOARD MAY MAKE SENSE TO, TO MAKE THAT ADJOINING PIECE A LARGER PIECE AND SEE OR SOMETHING OR OTHER.
AND UH, IT'S JUST THAT, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PROVE A REZONING AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER USE COME IN THAT KIND OF IS DOESN'T FIT WELL, YEAH, BUT I I THINK THAT THE USE HERE SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS OR THIS AND THAT, THAT COULD COVER IT.
PROBLEM MEANT C WOULDN'T ALLOW ANY STORAGE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT COMMERCIAL.
BUT IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ALLOWS SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL AND IT ALLOWS ALL FORMS OF RESIDENTIAL.
SO NC WOULDN'T HELP YOU ON THAT.
IF YOU WANTED PUBLIC ANY STORAGE THAT USUALLY BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE 2000 OR 25 ON SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT ALSO WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ABUTMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, WELL A A SENIOR FACILITY WOULD MAKE SENSE TOO BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH WALKING DISTANCE THAN SENIOR COMPLEX THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN BECAUSE IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A SECOND DAY.
IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING WHEN THEY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY NOTIFY THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET.
THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
SO I THINK THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW, OKAY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE FRONT OF THIS SITE IF WE RESOLVE THIS TO A RESIDENTIAL, WELL BASICALLY A FAVOR COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY'RE RUNNING IN RESIDENTIAL.
KIND OF BE NICE TO KNOW THAT IF IT'S REZONED, THE SENIOR FACILITY FITS BETTER.
AND THEY'RE BEST INTENSE USES THAN THAT.
THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER BUFFER.
THE OTHER BIG ONE I THINK PROBLEM THE RESOLVE AND THAT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY TECH IS THAT THE ORIGINAL EIS FOR THIS WHOLE SITE JUST DEALS WITH COMMERCIAL.
SO ANYTIME YOU'RE INTRODUCING IT, NOT COMMERCIAL, I MEAN WE HAD TO MAKE AMENDMENTS WHEN THEY PUT IN THE UH, UM, CAR WASH.
THE TOWN BOARD HAD TO ADD THE EIS AND THE FINDINGS AND THE, AND THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PIECEMEAL ANYMORE.
I THINK THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD, IF THEY'RE GONNA RESOLVE BOTH THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTIES, MAKE A SECRET DECISION ON THE OVERARCHING PROJECT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE EIS TO THE EIS IS JUST TOTALLY OUTDATED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT WITH, WITH THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT SPOKE TO THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT? UH, THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT THEY WOULD NOT BRING BUSES INTO THE SITE.
THAT THEY'D BE PICKING THEM UP ON BAYVIEW.
THEY, THE INDICATION WAS THAT THE PROJECT WAS TOO SMALL TO BRING BUSES INTO.
DO YOU MEAN BAYVIEW OR DO YOU MEAN RILEY? RILEY? I, I APOLOGIZE RILEY.
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START AGAIN ON RILEY.THAT, THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD PICK UP, UH, STUDENTS ON RILEY.
UH, THEY INDICATED THAT THE PRO PROJECT WAS TOO SMALL TO BRING BUSES INTO.
I DIDN'T, DID NOT GET INVOLVED IN WHERE THE THRESHOLD IS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S A LARGE ENOUGH SITE? UH, THERE ARE, THEY DO BRING BUSES DOWN RILEY.
SO WOULD NOT BE A MATTER OF UM, ADDING A NEW BUS ROUTE PER SE.
AS PART OF PART OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THAT COULD BE THAT THEY PUT A KIND OF SMALL
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOUR TIMES.
I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING HERE AGAIN AFTER THE REZONE AND GETTING TO SOME OF THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS, UM, THAT YOU ALL ENJOY SO MUCH.
ALRIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO ADD SOME STUFF TO FILL IN THE BLANKS ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE DECISION THE PROPOSED USE WOULD FIT OR WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE AREA.
WELL AND AGAIN, I THINK WITH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF THAT ZONE CONTINUES TO BE ZONE C ONE, I'D HAVE PROBLEM PUTTING THIS IN AND JOINING A LARGE COMMERCIAL USE.
WE ALREADY GOT THE CAR WASH IN THERE, BUT LEAST THE CAR WASH IS A LITTLE AWAY FROM THIS
YEAH, I LIKE, I LIKE HAVING AN NC ABUTTING THE NEW NC PARCEL.
SO, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE REZONED EVEN THE ONE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DECISION ON.
WELL, BECAUSE THE WHOLE PROJECT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN A HOLISTIC MANNER.
AND THAT HELPS DAVID WITH THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO FIT IN.
OTHERWISE WE'D GO, HOW DOES THIS FIT IN? WE GOT RANDOM USES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I'LL, I'LL GET WHATEVER PAPERWORK GONNA NEED FROM SARAH AND I'LL, I'LL AMEND THE UH, THE APPLICATION.
WELL, I DON'T WHY DON'T YOU DO IT? WELL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, WE, WE WE WORK OUT SCHEMATICS ON THAT BUT, BUT I'LL, I'LL MOVE ON THAT.
SO BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF APPEARS THAT, DO YOU HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS FIT INTO THE AREA? WE WOULD NEED TO REZONE THE ENTIRE, WHAT DIRECTION IS THAT? A REZONE? EVERYTHING WE WEST OF RILEY BOULEVARD.
WEST OF RILEY? YEAH, WEST OF RILEY BOULEVARD.
WHAT, HOW MANY PARCELS WOULD THAT BE THOUGH? TWO, TWO.
HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SUBDIVISION, BUT, BUT IT IS ONE PARCEL NOW I THINK THAT WANT TO BE SUBDIVIDED.
I THINK THE ENTIRETY, I THINK IT'S ONE PARCEL.
SO YOU NEED ANY TYPE OF AMENDMENT.
WELL I GUESS YOU AMEND TO HAVE TOD THE ACREAGE PROBABLY ON THE APPLICATION.
REONE THE ENTIRE SINGLE PARCEL.
NOT TOO MUCH IF YOU, UH, THE PARCEL THERE WHERE WE LET IT GO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
AND NOW NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE GOT A STARBUCKS IN THERE.
I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE.
I I THINK IF IF IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT READY NOW DO A SUBDIVISION, LET 'EM COME BACK.
WELL THAT WAS, THAT WAS SITE PLAN.
THIS IS UH, THIS IS A REZONING THIS TEMP BOARD HAS DECIDED BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY NO MORE OF A BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE RIGHT.
WELL THAT'S KIND, THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT.
WHAT POINT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IF THEY PUT, IF THEY PUT RESIDENTS THERE, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A BUSINESS PARK ANYMORE.
SO WE SAY YOU CHANGE THE ZONINGS SO YOU CAN'T BE A BUSINESS PARK IN THIS SPOT.
SO SO IF WE, IF WE KEEP THE ZONING, THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY, UH, I'M GONNA PUT ANOTHER CAR WASH.
I'M GONNA PUT ANOTHER CUP OF CAR WASH WOULD BE HARD BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS.
BUT, UH, A WAREHOUSE THAT STORES CHEMICALS OR LIKE THE GUY THAT DID THE DRIVEWAY CEILING AND THAT WE WOULDN'T LIKE THAT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE WOULDN'T WANT, IF THE TOWN WERE, WERE TO REZONE IT, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS FOR SOMETHING TO GO IN NEXT IF IT WOULD FIT THAT PORTION BE
SO WE COULDN'T COME BACK WITH SOMETHING UNTIL YOU FIT.
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SO SO IT WOULD FIT IN THE AREA IF IT REZONED THE ENTIRE PARCEL, NOT JUST A PART OF IT.BUT SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BUSINESS BUYER WILL MAKE IT NOT A BUSINESS BUYER NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I HATE REFERRING TO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT OFFICIAL YET.
SAYS TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
IT SAYS WORK WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO WORK OUT A NEW PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE OLD PLAN IS NOT BEING IMPLEMENTED.
SO YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TELLING.
SO, SO THE REZONING IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THE NEW PLAN, THIS IS A, THIS IS WORKING WITH THE OWNER TO WHAT YOU SAY, TO WORK OUT A NEW PLAN TO WORK OUT A NEW PLAN.
AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU REFER TO CONSIDERING REZONING, UH, IS PARTICULARLY FOR UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF USE.
JUST THE OLD CONFERENCE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGED THIS BUSINESS PARK THAT HE WORKED ON AND SAID THIS IS GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARK.
YOU DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD.
IT'S BEEN HOW MANY YEARS? THIS WAS 25 YEARS AGO.
SO THE NC ZONING CATEGORY ALLOWS THIS PROPOSED USE BUT WOULD NOT ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO BE USED AS A BUSINESS PARK.
UM, IF WE'RE GONNA, SO THE NEXT ONE SAY IS SLASH NOT SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WELL WE GOTTA DECIDE IF IT'S OR IF IT'S NOT.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, THAT WITH THE WHOLE PARCEL BEING CHANGED, THE
RIGHT? IS IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING? YES, I THINK SO.
THAT'S WHATEVER I DISAGREES WITH THAT NOBODY DISAGREES WITH.
SO, OH, WHAT WAS THAT? HE SAID NO ONE EVER DISAGREES WITH ME.
SO, SO THE SITE IS SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AS LONG AS OTHER ACTIONS ARE TAKEN TO MAKE CHANGES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WITHIN THE OLD BUSINESS MARKET.
THE PLANNING BOARD DOES ACKNOWLEDGE LET'S PRETTY OPEN ENDED.
WHAT DO WE NOT WHAT DO WE WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE? WHAT DREW WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU HOPE WE WOULD FILL IN WITH THAT ONE?
I JUST, I WAS BETTING UPON WHAT YOU WERE DOING WITH THE REST OF THIS.
I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES YOU WANT TO PLAN? AGAIN, YOUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY STILL HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO HOW ABOUT THIS? WE WELL WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE THAT SPECIFICALLY YES.
AS FAR AS WE, WE ALSO COULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE IDEA OF A BUSINESS PARK HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL, ET CETERA, THAT'S MAKING CHANGES TO THIS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
MIGHT SO BASED ON THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION AS FOLLOWS THE REZONING OF THE C TWO ZONE LANDS TO NC
DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY THERE JUST
DO WE HAVE ANY CONDITIONS OF REZONING TO
BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE MORE ON THE RIGHT FAR THIS THE CONDITION WOULD BE, SORRY, ARE WE WORKED NORTH OF RILEY BOULEVARD? I THINK WE WANNA SAY NORTH OF RILEY BOULEVARD.
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NORTH.SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S NORTHWEST.
I'M GOING THIS SAY NORTHWEST THE TIME WE GOT THE EAST WEST HOME MUDDLED UP.
WE WERE TRYING TO DO THAT ONE.
YEAH, YOU COULD DESCRIBE IT AS THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF PROBABLY BOULEVARD FROM CAR WASH.
FROM TRACTOR CAR WAST BUILT YET, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT AN OPERATION BUT IT'S A APARTMENT WITH A REALLY LARGE SHOW REZONING SHOULD CONDITIONS WHAT CONDITIONS? OKAY.
CONDITIONS TO REZONING ANY, I MEAN IF I THINK THE WHOLE DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT THE ADJUSTING OF THE BUSINESS PARK.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY THROW OF THAT IN THERE.
THIS IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY TO THE SENIOR SIDE.
THAT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD BE WHEN IT COMES BACK.
THAT SOUNDS THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT SIDE, THE COMBINATION OF SIDEWALK WILL BE ADDRESSED IN SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BECAUSE THIS WE GONNA RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY MAKE THE AREA WALKABLE.
YOU CAN MAKE A CONDITION THOUGH.
SO, SO THAT THE ADDITION OF SIDEWALKS WILL BE ADDRESSED TO SITE PLAN.
IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED TO SITE PLAN ANYWAYS.
I GET WHAT SARAH'S SAYING BUT IF WE PUT IT IN THERE, IT EXACTLY, IT'S UP TO THE, AT SOME POINT WE BACK COME BACK TO THE PLANNING FALLS IN YOUR LAP AGAIN.
UH, THREE, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO ENSURE THAT THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND THEN THE SECRET PART, UH, THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA BE LEADING.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
I MEAN YOU, YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY SHOULD THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION THE TOWN FINISHES DELETE THAT.
NO, EVEN ADD THAT SEEKER TOGETHER.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY ANYWAY.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN LAWYERS.
JOSH, I TYPE OUT SOME NOTES I GET.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN BOARD REZONE THIS PROPERTY FROM C TWO TO NC AND A ADOPTING THE MEMO AS AMENDED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING TO BE SENT TO THE BOARD.
SARAH, WHEN IS THE NEXT COUNT BOARD MEETING? AUGUST SOMETHING.
SO SHE'LL GET A RESOLUTION IN CALL PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU'RE NOT HEARING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT ON MY VACATION.
JUST MEETING, CALL MEETING MINUTES TODAY.
UH, ARE WE IN A POSITION WHERE WE YESTERDAY.
I JUST LOOKED AT THE MEETING MINUTES UNTIL TODAY.
ARE WE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN APPROVE THEM OR WE MORE TIME? OKAY.
HE'S NOT OH, NOT GO, GO AND CHECK.
MAY WANNA CONSIDER A GENDER NEUTRAL.
HE'S ALL VERY, I THINK LAST FINE AS LONG AS NOBODY IS THE SAME LAST NAME.
WELL, LEMME JUST MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
I WAS SURPRISED YOU GUYS DIDN'T NOTICE.
IM SUGGESTING THE GENDER NEUTRAL TERM.
WHEN ALL MEETING LONG I'VE BEEN USING MR. AND MR YOU'RE RIGHT.
OKAY, WE'LL TABLE THE, THESE ARE IMPORTANT MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE WON'T MAKE A MOTION THE MINUTES THEN THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW, SECOND BY MR. MAHONEY.