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COMPUTER PROGRAM.SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WEST AUTOMOTIVE GROUP REQUESTING REZONING FROM C ONE AND R TWO TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, VACANT LAND, NORTHSIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP, POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND VEHICLE STORAGE AREA AND PARK.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WEST.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT MR. CHEWY, WHO'S ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE IS HERE AS WELL.
AS YOU RECALL, YOU ACTUALLY LAST SAW THIS PROJECT DURING YOUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND ULTIMATELY WE MADE A DECISION BASED ON INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN BOARD, FROM BOARD TO SEEK THE REZONING OF THE SITE TO PUD VERSUS UM, COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY SEEKING.
WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD DURING ITS WORK SESSION TWO WEEKS AGO.
IT ADAPTED A RESOLUTION BY UNANIMOUS VOTE, REFERRING THE REQUESTED REZONING TO THIS BOARD AND THEN ALSO, UM,
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AUTHORIZING THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SECRET.ON JULY 25TH, SARAH ISSUED A LEAD AGENCY LETTER WITH A COPY OF THE REZONING APPLICATION AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES.
I BELIEVE THE DEADLINE FOR THOSE AGENCIES TO RESPOND IS AUGUST 31ST.
SO WE'LL BE REQUESTING YOU SCHEDULE A HEARING SOMETIME AFTER AUGUST 31ST.
I WOULD NOTE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES SINCE WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED THIS.
AS A RECALL, THE PROPERTY ON THE FAR SIDE OF BROMPTON PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED VEHICLE STORAGE AREA THAT EXTENDED BACK INTO THIS AREA.
WE WERE ASKED TO REPLACE THAT WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL A PASSIVE PARK THAT WOULD BE DONATED TO THE TOWN OF WEST SENECA.
AND WE ARE SHOWING THAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? SAID WEST? OH TOWN? WEST HER WEST ENE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
I THOUGHT THEY GONNA COME BY AND MOW IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WEST, I DON'T BELIEVE.
I DON'T BELIEVE WEST ENECO TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP OF IT.
I WANNA KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARK WAS THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A PLAYGROUND.
THEY'D LIKE IT NOT TO BE A SUPER ACTIVE PARK.
AND I DID INDICATE THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING BASED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT AT BE AN ACTIVE PLAYGROUND.
OBVIOUSLY THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT WILL NEED TO BE, UH, VETTED.
ADDITIONALLY, YOU AS I ALSO RECALL, WE ARE SHOWING 50 FEET OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ALONG THIS VERY LONG STRETCH OF SHELDON ROAD.
UM, I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SHELDON AND BASICALLY THAT'S STILL PART OF THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ADVISED THEM WE'LL REACH OUT AND DISCUSS SPECIFICS IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS BACK IN FEBRUARY AT WEST HER'S OFFICE AND I DID MAKE IT CLEAR TO THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT WE HAVE DECIDED A COPY WITH NO IMPACT LETTER ISSUED BY THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARK RECREATION.
WE OBVIOUSLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEED TO COMPLY WITH STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS GIVEN THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN DISTURBANCE GREATER THAN ONE ACRE.
AND THIS IS A TYPE ONE ACTION AS A RESULT OF THE SITE DISTURBANCE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROJECT PURSUANT TO THE SECRET REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY SIX NYCR PART SIX 17.4.
SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.
IT'S NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE, BUT IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING RATHER THAN AMENDING THAT LAW THAT PROHIBITS AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIPS WITH CERTAIN AREA OF IN A A CERTAIN AREA OF THE TOWN.
INSTEAD WE'RE SEEKING PUD ZONING, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, MUST BE BASED ON A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT.
WE DO HOPE THAT YOU'RE IN A POSITION THIS EVENING THAT WOULD CONSIDER SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, EITHER MYSELF OR JIM WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT.
JUST A CLARIFICATION, PUBLIC INFORMATION THE TOWN BOARD WILL RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT'S THE INTENTION FOR THE GAP OF PROPERTY THAT IS LABELED WHITE BETWEEN BROMPTON PARKWAY AND THE FACILITY TO THE SO THAT PROPERTY, MS. MCCORT, WE EITHER OWN OR HAVE OTHER CONTRACTS.
SO WE CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT WOULD BE.
WASN'T THAT PART OF YOUR PREVIOUS PROPOSAL? NO, NO, IT WASN'T.
THERE'S ONE HOME, THERE'S ONE POINT WHERE THAT ONE HOUSE, IT'S ON THE CORNER OF TON IN THE, YEAH, THERE'S LIKE A HOME BACK HERE.
THIS IS ALL WOOD, IT'S BACK HERE.
BUT YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO THOSE PROPERTIES NOR HAVE WE AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST.
SO WHAT'S THE INTENTION FOR THAT PARKING LOT? IS IT JUST OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE HERE? YES.
SO HOW HE DESCRIBED IT IN THE APPLICATION WAS UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT ALSO THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE A BUILDING AS WELL.
IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE JIM, PROBABLY AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THIS SEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
FORGOT WE'RE LOOKING UP THE ZONE RIGHT NOW THE PIECE THAT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED IN THE FRONT IS ZONE C ONE.
BUT THE PIECE IN THE BACK IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SHOWING THE BIGGER BUFFER HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT PARKING RIGHT UP TO THE BOUNDARY OF A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, BUT IN THE BACKWARD ZONE RESIDENTIAL YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, THE PARKING LOT AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
AND AND THE AREA THAT DREW IS REFERENCING IS RIGHT HERE ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHERE THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER'S REQUIRED? YEAH, WELL RIGHT HERE THERE WERE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A LOT MORE THAN EVEN WOULD BE REQUIRED BY CODE IN TERMS OF THIS LONG SEGMENT OF SHELTER.
NOW I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THAT WOULD BE DEEMED RESTRICTED TO ENSURE IT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
IT'S CRITICALLY PRETTY HEAVILY VEGETATED.
AND THE OTHER COMPONENT THAT WE WERE JUST BRAINSTORMING AT THE TOWN
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BOARD MEETING WAS IF WE DID THIS KIND OF PARK THAT WE'D PUT A WALKWAY ALONG ALONG SHELDON, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARK IS NOT FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE THERE, NOT LIKE A BIG PARK.THE IDEA WAS IT WAS JUST PEOPLE IN THE AREA TO WALK DOWN AND MAYBE WALK THEIR DOG THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS NOT A GONNA BE A BIG TOWN PARK FACILITY OR ANYTHING.
SO WE THOUGHT ALSO A WALKWAY, WHICH AT THE ONE END OF SHELDON NEAR TON THERE IS KIND OF A WALKWAY THERE AND WE WANTED THAT EXTENDED FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
AND JUST SO YOU JUST KNOW, BASED ON THAT INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN BOARD, WE ARE SHOWING A PUBLIC SIDEWALK THE ENTIRE RIGHT TO SHELDON.
IS THIS THE SECOND PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER PARCEL? IN THE FIRST, YES, THERE WAS.
OH, EXCEPT IT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY BACK.
SO YOU CUT IT FOR THE PARK AND DOES PARK ME PARK BASED ON THE TOWN BOARD CONVERSATION OR LIKE MUNICIPALLY DESIGNATED ITS PARK NOW? OR DOES PARK ISN'T NO SPACE FOR PARKING? NO MUNICIPALLY DESIGNATED DEDICATED PARK THEN.
BUT AS DREW INDICATED, INTENDED TO NOT INCLUDE A PARKING AREA AND REALLY BE LIMITED FOR USE OF IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, MEANING YOU SHOULD WALK YOUR DOG THERE, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHELDON PARKWAY, IT'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY AND I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY NOT THAT LONG AGO TO TAKE A DRIVE DOWN TON PARKWAY, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF R ONE HOMES AND THERE'S AN R VERY MUCH IN, YOU KNOW, R ONE COMMUNITY THAT'S OVER THERE.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP BEFORE THAT THERE WAS NOT A GREAT TRANSITION HERE BETWEEN GOING FROM WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO AN R ONE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, SO THAT REMAINING CONCERN I DON'T THINK HAS CHANGED.
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS THE BUFFER THERE.
I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE ADDING A PARK, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN ABRUPTLY GOING FROM TO LIKE A VERY INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT TO AN R, OUR ONE COMMUNITY IS, I GUESS IT'S STILL A SENSE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN, JUST SOME OF THE DISCUSSION DOWN BOARD WAS THE FACT THAT THIS IS ZONE C ONE.
NOW THERE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE BIRD SPIKES DOWN THE STREET AND WHATEVER.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK A TALL AND WE DO SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS THE IDEA IS CAN WE MAKE THIS PLAN PALATABLE ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE AS SAME OR LESS IMPACT THAN WHAT CAN BE DONE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.
SO THAT'S JUST THE FRAMEWORK WE'RE BUILDING THAT CAN IT BE DONE IN A WAY A PUD AT LEAST ALSO PROVIDES US THE FACT THAT WHETHER WE LIKE THIS OR NOT IS THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT GOES ON THAT PIECE.
THE C ONE ZONING C TWO ZONING WOULD ALLOW ANY LITANY OF USES.
IS THIS CONTROLLED ENOUGH? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SPEAKING THE NEIGHBORS STILL HAVE CONCERN AND WHATEVER, BUT CAN WE CONTROL IT ENOUGH WITH THE PUD AND OFFER THAT, THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED VIRTUALLY ANYWAY.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE FRAMEWORK OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT DOES THE PD INVOLVE? NO, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WHAT IS IT INVOLVE BY WAY OF CONTROL MECHANISMS? LIKE ARE WE CONDITIONING THIS AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? WELL THE PUD, THIS PLAN PROFESSIONAL, THIS PLAN WOULD REPRESENT THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IF ANYBODY DID ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER REZONING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE REZONING AT THE C ONE OR C.
WELL THIS C ONE, IT SAYS THAT THESE 25 USES ARE ALLOWED, THIS IS THE ONLY APPROVED USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO IT BECOMES REZONED TO A CAR DEALERSHIP PERIOD.
IF IT BECOMES REZONED BECOMES LAYOUT.
SO WE BASICALLY GET RIGHT, WE ARE TIED THEN IN TERMS OF SOME OF WHAT WE CAN DO OR ASK FOR AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE P.
IF WEST HERT SOLD, SAY THEY SAY THIS PROPERTY GOT APPROVED AND BILL, IF WEST HERT SOLD THIS PROPERTY 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THE ONLY THING IT COULD BE USED FOR IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HERE.
RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, ANYTHING DIFFERENT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THE PROPERTY RESOLVED.
GO THROUGH THE EXACT SAME PROCESS THING WHERE THEY'RE MOVING THE BUILDING.
IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'D HAVE TO GET IT REZONED THAT WOULD THAT BE THE SAME ONE? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, BIRDS IS REAL CLOSE TO THAT.
THAT NEW DOLLAR GENERALS THERE, WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING? WHAT'S THAT? THE CHANGE? NO, NO, NO.
BECAUSE DOLLAR GENERAL MEANT THE C ONE ZONING.
YOU CAN PUT A, YOU CAN PUT A DOLLAR GENERAL HERE.
UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING WE COULD PUT A FIVE STORY HOTEL.
SO THAT'S OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO JUST TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
ONE OF THE REASONS I HAVE CONCERNS AND ONE OF MY MORE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHTING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S ANGLED DOWNWARD, RIGHT? SO IT'S GOING BUT, BUT THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THEM AMBIENT.
I LIVE ON MAIN STREET, I KNOW THAT THERE'S LIGHTS THAT COME IN MY WINDOWS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WHETHER OR NOT THOSE STREET LIGHTS ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
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WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW, AND I KNOW PART OF IT'S PROBABLY FOR SECURITY PART OF IT, I, THERE'S REASONS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.BUT THAT'S I GUESS THE CONCERN WHERE SOME OF THOSE OTHER RETAIL USES WHO AREN'T STORING VEHICLES OUTSIDE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE LIGHTS THAT TURN OFF MORE AREN'T AS, HAVE SOME OTHER FLEXIBILITY VERSUS YOUR MANAGING INVENTORY.
AND I RES I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED TO DO IT, BUT THAT LIGHTING IS JUST LIKE A BIG CHANGE AND A BIG ADJACENT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO, CAITLYN, AND WE'VE DONE THIS SUCCESSFULLY IN CONNECTION WITH OTHER PROJECTS, INCLUDING A RECENT ONE IN THE TOWN OF AMHERST.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF ADVANTAGES IN TERMS OF LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY AT OLD AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIPS.
IT WAS ALL LITERALLY ONE SYSTEM.
SO ALL THE LIGHTS WERE ON OR ALL THE LIGHTS ARE OFF.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S LED AND I THINK WEST TURN COME UP WITH SOMETHING'S REASONABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH LIGHTING FOR SECURITY BUT ALSO ENSURE WE'RE NOT CAUSING LIGHT IMPACTS AT NIGHT.
AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IMPACT IS DISCUSSED.
THAT IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
I CAN SPEAK MUCH MORE DIRECTLY TO THAT TOO.
SO ALL OF OUR NEW UH, TIMERS FOR EXTERIOR LIGHTS ARE FOUR CIRCUIT SYSTEM THAT WE AND THEIR LEDS.
I CAN CONTROL ANY OF THE LIGHTS AT ANY FREQUENCY I NEED.
SO LIKE SEAN WAS SAYING, WE CAN KEEP A LITTLE BIT MORE UP FRONT AND BE ABLE TO KILL OFF THE ONES IN THE BACK.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO DOWN TO 10%.
ACTUALLY MOST OF OUR LOTS WE GO DOWN TO LIKE MAYBE ONE OR TWO LIGHTS JUST TO HAVE SOME SECURITY OUT THERE.
UM, SO PLUS I WOULD SAY WITH THAT BUFFER IN THE TREES THAT ARE THERE AND WE CAN SET THE HEIGHT OF THE POLES, YOU KNOW, LOW ENOUGH THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BLOCK MOST OF THAT AMBIENT LIGHT GAIN.
AND I MEAN, WELL THERE'S A SEASONALITY COMPONENT TO THAT AND I NEED TO GO OUT AND PARK OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK.
BUT LIKE THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY SEASONAL AND THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR MORE LIGHTING.
NOT TO MENTION IT GETS SNOWY LOOKING OUT IN MY YARD IN THE, IN THE WINTER, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT BRIGHTER.
YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING GOING ON AS OPPOSED TO IN THE SUMMER IN THE DARK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S JUST LESS REFLECTION OF, OF LIGHT HAPPENING.
BUT WE THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER LIGHTING PLAN THAN POSSIBLY OTHER USERS AS A SITE BUBBLE.
AND AGAIN, WESTER IS DEALT WITH THAT TOPIC AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I THINK ACTUALLY QUITE SUCCESSFUL.
YES, I CAME IN A COUPLE MINUTES LATE, BUT UM, DID YOU ADDRESS WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THIS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT YOU'RE, SO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING, JEFF, IS TO ACTUALLY LEAVE THIS THE WAY IT IS AND IT'S OPEN.
NO, IT'S IT'S PRETTY HEAVILY VEGETATED.
BUT AS CAITLYN INDICATED, IT IS TO A LARGE DEGREE DECIDUOUS TREES.
SO WE HAVE INDICATED THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT, LIKE LITERALLY LOOK AT THE SEGMENTS TO THE EXTENT WE NEED TO SUPPLEMENT THE LANDSCAPING.
AND WE'VE ALSO EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO INSTALL A FENCE ON THE INSIDE EDGE OF THAT PERMIT.
SO AN ADDITIONAL FENCE IS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL AS ADDING VEGETATION.
AND THE ADDITIONAL FENCE WOULD BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MINIMIZING LIGHTNING IMPACTS, BUT ALSO MOST IMPORTANTLY ENSURING EVEN DURING WINTER MONTHS IF A CAR PULLS BACK HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE HEADLIGHTS GO OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS TREES OR BUSH? NO, THOSE ARE TREES.
SO CAN WE LEAVE SOME OF THOSE? WHICH ALSO BRINGS ME TOO.
OH, WE WOULD LEAVE ALL THOSE BE A SURFACE.
WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT BE UNTOUCHED ALONG THE BACK.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PART THAT'S GONNA BE PAVEMENT? IS THAT ALSO SIMILARLY WOODED TO WHAT IT'S ALL WOOD, RIGHT? YEAH, TO A LARGE C IS THAT'S WHAT THE AERIAL, IT'S JUST ALL WOODS.
SO YOU'RE JUST, BUT IT IS ZONED C TWO.
SO ANYBODY OWN C ONE? C ONE? C1.
NO, I I I GET THAT BUT I MEAN I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN, WHAT'S CURRENTLY AN R ONE BUTTING UP AGAINST, UH, YOU KNOW, A HEAVILY WOODED LV ZONE C ONE DISTRICT, I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IS WHAT IT'S, I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS MM-HMM
WELL, I MEAN LUCKILY WE, THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US EARLIER THIS YEAR.
WE ALREADY MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
OUR DECISION, YOU KNOW, A SHORTCUT TOWARDS OUR DECISION IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES FOR US TO CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE KEEP IN MIND BILL, YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
IT WAS RECOMMENDING YOU DIDN'T WANNA COMMENT ON THE ZONING, RIGHT? YOU COMMENTED ON, YOU RECOMMENDED AGAINST THEM AMENDING THE CODE.
TOWN BOARD AGREED WE WEREN'T GONNA AMEND THE CODE, BUT THEY PROPOSED, THEY BRAINSTORMED OTHER IDEAS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND AGAINST THE REZONING, WE RECOMMENDED AGAINST THE CHANGE OF THE CODE.
YEAH, IT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTEXT.
SO WHAT YOU WERE MAKING RECOMMENDATION WAS OUR REQUEST AT THE TIME, AND IT WAS NEVER SPECIFICALLY GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINED, WAS TO ELIMINATE THE PROHIBITION OF AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIPS AND OTHER MOTOR SERVICE USES OUTSIDE THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
AND I THINK THAT PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH OUR REVIEW AT THAT TIME IS THERE WAS NOT A PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE LAW THAT WE WERE RIGHT
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COMMENTING ON.IT WAS A, A VAGUE RIGHT, WHICH THERE WAS NO DRAFT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
YOU WANT US SCHEDULE A PUBLIC INFORMATION PUBLIC, LET'S SCHEDULE A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION FOR SEPTEMBER 7TH.
SO I THINK, SO THE CHALLENGE HERE BEING THAT OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW IS LIMITED AND SEEKER, I'M ASSUMING WOULD BE HAPPENING WITH THE REZONING, RIGHT? LIKE CONCERNS AND COMMENTS, I THINK SOME SORT OF DETAIL ON THE LIGHTING PLAN.
I GUESS SOME SORT OF, THIS IS A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE GOING FROM THAT.
SOME SORT OF RIGHT UPPER DISCUSSION ON HOW, HOW YOU'RE MEETING THAT.
I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT DOING AT THIS STAGE THE FULL ANALYSIS THAT CAMMY WILL REVIEW, BUT SOME SORT OF COMMENTARY ON THE STORMWATER AND IMPERVIOUS, SOME SORT OF COUNT ON THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AND TREE REPLACEMENT AND ANY TREE MITIGATION PROPOSAL.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AROUND THAT ROUND BEFORE.
JOHN NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TOPIC
THERE'S ITS EXISTING SIDEWALK, BUT, BUT BACK HERE THERE'S NOT.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA EXTEND THEM PAST OUR SITE, EVEN WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL CONNECT THE EXISTING ON SOUTHWESTERN IF YOU GUYS WANNA, THEY'LL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON SOUTHWESTERN.
I'LL START BULLETING A REPORT.
REMEMBER OUR PRIOR IS TO GIVE A REPORT AND A RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL START BULLETING ALL THOSE THINGS AND YOU GUYS CAN FILL 'EM IN AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOT THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION, NOT THAT YOU'LL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE STARTING PUT THAT REPORT TOGETHER.
SO I'M TAKING NOTES THAT ALL THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANNA ADDRESS.
SO WHAT'S THE, SO ARGYLE PARKWAY IS A PAPER ROAD.
ARGYLE PARKWAY IS A PAPER ROAD.
SO WHAT'S THE STORY WITH THAT? JUST THE, THIS IS NOW THE SECOND ONE IN A FEW MONTHS WE'VE DEALT WITH PAPER STREET.
IS THAT OWN, IS ANY OF THAT OWNED BY THE TOWN OR IS THERE AN EASEMENT? IT'S ENTIRELY, SO IT'S ENTIRELY OWNED BY THE TOWN IN PART OF OUR REQUEST IS THAT THAT BE FORMALLY ABANDONED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO YOUR REQUEST TO THE TOWN WOULD INCLUDE WHATEVER RIGHTS TO ABANDON THAT AND TO USE THAT.
AND IT'S ALSO IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE AF OF THE ACTION
ANYTIME SOMEONE HAS A RIGHT OF WAY LIKE THIS OR A PAPER STREET LIKE THIS, IF YOU, IF YOU GET PROPERTY OWNERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO REQUEST THE TOWN, THEY WILL ABANDON THE ROAD AND SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
IN THIS CASE THEY WILL SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.
I DON'T THINK THE TOWN AND THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT LOOK AT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'LL SAY WE HAVE NO USE FOR THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
IT NEVER WOULD PUT THAT ROAD IN, IN THAT CONFIGURATION THAT EXISTS.
BUT THAT'S THE TOWN HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT WILL COMMENT ON THAT.
ANYTIME THERE'S A REQUEST TO ABANDON A PAPER STREET OR A ROAD, WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DO WE NEED? YOU WERE VERY CONFIDENT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION BACK IN FEBRUARY NOW THERE, I MEAN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH SO I APOLOGIZE.
BUT HAVING JUST GOT STUCK ON CAMP BEHIND A SEMI FULL OF CARS TRYING TO GET TO STARBUCKS AND BEING LIKE, WHAT THE DO I DO? UM, IT LOOKS LIKE BROMPTON DRIVE, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OUT REALLY ONTO SOUTHWESTERN HERE.
AND THAT'S THE SAME SIDE THAT HAS ALL ENTRANCES, WHICH IS BETTER 'CAUSE THEY DON'T ENTER ON SHELDON THEN.
UM, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT LIKE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OR PEOPLE HAVING TO LEAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR LIKE WHEN CARS ARE BEING DELIVERED, IS THERE SPACE, LIKE I KNOW SOUTHWESTERN ITSELF IS NOT AN ISSUE 'CAUSE IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, BUT THIS CONNECTION OF BROMPTON IN SOUTHWESTERN, I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO THIS IS THESE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S ONLY WAY OUT.
IS THERE A LIGHT THERE ATTON? NO, THERE'S NOT.
LIKE YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, MORE OF A HIKE, BUT YEAH, THEY COULD GET OUT MCKINLEY TOTALLY, RIGHT.
IT'S SMALLER THAN IT LOOKS ON A MAP FROM PARKWAY.
IT'S NOT, NO, IT'S NOT VERY FAR.
I I DO WANNA NOTE WE ARE DESIGNING THIS SITE, UNLIKE OLDER DEALERSHIPS THROUGHOUT WESTERN YORK, PARTICULARLY URBAN LOCATIONS.
SO VEHICLES CAN BE DELIVERED ON SITE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE STACKING IN THE MIDDLE OF SOUTHWESTERN AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, SO VEHICLES COULD BE REMOVED.
SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND OBVIOUSLY SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IS THE NEW YORK STATE HIGHWAY, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEIR COMMENTS RELATIVE TO BE ACCESSED.
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HOW ARE PARKWAY ACT, THAT'S A PAPER STREET AS WELL, CORRECT? THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS LIKE RIGHT WHERE THE BACK OF BURS IS? YES.AND WE'RE NOT MAKING, YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY REQUESTS ABOUT THAT.
I DO WANNA NOTE ONE OF THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH YOU AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS IS WE WOULD ALSO AGREE TO A COMMISSION THAT THERE BE NO VEHICULAR ACCESS DIRECTLY TO SHELBY.
AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.
SO I WOULD SECOND WHAT MARGO JUST SAID ABOUT TRAFFIC.
IS THERE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY OR SOME OTHER ANALYSIS ABOUT THE FLOW AND EXPECTED IN AND OUT? UM, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY GET A TRIP GENERATION LETTER FROM SRF ASSOCIATES.
TYPICAL NEW AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP DOES NOT GENERATE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC.
YOU SAY THAT, BUT I COULD NOT FIND A PARKING SPACE AT A OTHER WESTERN OWNED FACILITY THE OTHER DAY TO GO IN AND PICK UP A PARK.
SO, WELL YOU MEAN A SPACE OR TRAFFIC COMING IN OUT? OH, I, WELL IT'S HARD TO GET OUT.
IT'S HARD TO MAKE A LEFT TURN DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING ON, ON SOUTHWESTERN.
I'M JUST WONDERING, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE THIS VIDEO.
WE HAVE SOME SITES THAT ARE VERY TIGHT, SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH PAVEMENT IS HERE, BUT WE, WE DO WANNA MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN THE SITES, ESPECIALLY OUR TRUCKS, UM, THAT THEY CAN GET IT IN AROUND.
BUT YEAH, WE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SPACE FOR MUCH BIGGER SITE THAN MOST OF OUR OTHER ONES ON SOUTHWESTERN.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED LEAD CERTIFICATION FOR ANY OF YOUR BUILDINGS BUILDING OR ANY SORT OF LIKE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT OR INTEGRATION OF OTHER TECHNOLOGIES TO WE HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THOSE IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, WE DON'T BUILD, SURPRISINGLY WE DON'T BUILD A LOT OF OUR OWN BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE ACQUIRE FAR MORE OF THEM BUILT.
UM, BUT THE ONES WE HAVE THAT WE DID DO ONE AS LEAD CERTIFIED PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, UM, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS DONE AS THAT.
SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT, SIR.
IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE PARTICULAR DEALERSHIP.
THE BRANDS MAKE SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENTS AT TIMES AS WELL.
PREVIOUS PAVEMENTS ARE TOUGH FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
WE HAVE ONE DOWN IN CAN DAY WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE TO THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER FLOW ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH THEM.
UM, AND I, I MEAN FROM THE SYSTEM STANDPOINT, IT, IT'S MADE IT WORSE ON OUR SITES AT TIMES.
YOU MEAN HARDER TO MANAGE? JUST THAT THE WATER DOESN'T GET OFF THE SITE THAN WE HAVE POOLING AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SLIPPING FALL ISSUES AND WATER.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC FOR US.
UM, AND IT'S, SO I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THEM.
UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO THAT, MINIMIZE SOME OF OUR PAYMENT COMMIT.
IF WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY, I'D RATHER DO THAT THAN THE PREVIOUS PAYMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE WEST HER FOR A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION ON SEPTEMBER 7TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS RICHARD MATTHEW IS REQUESTING REZONING FROM C TWO TO NC OF A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3, 4, 4 9 BIG TREE ROAD IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TWO EXISTING HOMES ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS A COUPLE HOUSES ON IT FROM THE 1920S AND BACK THEN IT WAS AGRICULTURAL SOMEHOW TURNED TO C TWO BEFORE I PURCHASED IT IN 89, 19 89.
AND THEN, UM, IN 1990 I WENT THROUGH TRYING TO PUT A PROJECT TOGETHER ON 20 ACRES OF LAND.
AND THIS IS A PART OF THAT 20 ACRES.
THE PROJECT DIED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
AND I THOUGHT AT THE TIME WE HAD RECEIVED THE NC DESIGNATION THAT WE WENT THROUGH, BUT WE DIDN'T.
UH, SO I WAS SURPRISED RECENTLY TO FIND OUT THAT IT WASN'T NC THAT I WAS NONCONFORMING.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL NO TIME LIKE RIGHT NOW TO GET THIS THING FIXED, MOSTLY BECAUSE MIGHT GET ANY YOUNGER AND I DON'T WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITH MY KIDS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA, UH, THEY'RE GONNA INHERIT ANYTHING, WHATEVER.
SO REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I WANNA GET DISTINCT TO PICK JUST TO WHERE IT BELONG.
WE GET THE ZONING MAP PUT BACK IN HERE.
WHAT'S THAT? SO WE GOTTA GET THE ZONING MAP PUT BACK IN HERE BECAUSE EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP I GO LIKE THIS AND I DON'T SEE IN YOUR, IN YOUR MEMO, UM, ALL THE AREAS ZONE C ONE.
UM, THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE
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RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT WE'VE REZONED IN THE NC BECAUSE, AND IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE FACT THAT THIS SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE AREA IS PRETTY MUCH PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL, BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE A CONFORMING USE AND TO HAVE OTHER USES ON THE PROPERTY IF THEY DEEM SO IN THE FUTURE.ALSO THE PROPERTY PIECE, THE MEMO.
WHAT'S THAT? THE MEMO ONLY HAS THIS PIECE.
OH, DOESN'T, YES, ERIC PREPARED.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW NC PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF THIS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRING EXTRA BACK.
WE USED TO, USED TO HAVE THE FRAME ONTO IT AND I I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT.
YEAH, THIS, THIS WAS A 20 ACRE PARCEL, 19.7 ACRE PARCEL THAT I BOUGHT AND THEN TRANSFERRED LAND TO ST.
FRANCIS BECAUSE THEY HAD USED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS AND SO THEY HAVE ALL PROBABLY BEHIND, I JUST KEPT THE ONE ACRE IN FRONT.
IT HAS TWO HOUSES ON IT LOOKS IT'S MOSTLY PRETTY BIG HITTER INTO YOUR LAWN, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE FOUR 50 FEET.
THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SHOT, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND PLACE, PLACE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE IS LIKE RESTAURANTS AND PEG P'S PLACE AND THINGS DOWN IN THAT CORNER.
YEAH, I SAW I'M JUST 40 AND THEY'RE HERE.
30, 34, 85 DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU IS A HOUSE AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU 30.
THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE RIGHT BY, RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL WHOLE THING.
BUT THERE WAS TWO BROTHERS AND A SISTER WHO INHERITED IT BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND THEN THE SISTER TOOK HER LAND, HER HER HOUSE AND THE OTHER BROTHERS TOOK IT.
AND ALSO IF HE GETS THE REZONING, HE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND HE'S GONNA SUBDIVIDE THAT SO THAT EACH HOME IS ON ITS OWN PARCEL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO, TWO HOUSES ON THE PARCEL ONE PIECE.
ALRIGHT, SO I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION FOR THIS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE A MEMO WE HAVE TO DO ON THE REGULAR SESSION, RIGHT.
UM, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA RECOMMEND THE REZONING TO NC.
SO WE'LL JUST WHAT OTHER INFORMATION DO WE WANT TO KNOW TO HELP US DECIDE HOW TO THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSION AND WHAT TO PUT IN THAT MEMO.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I'M BUILDING ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST BRINGING THE PROPERTIES INTO PERFORMANCE AND IT'S A TOOL WE'VE USED A LOT IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
IN FACT, HE PROPOSED IT BEFORE I WAS THE, THAT REZO THE NC SO WE COULD HAVE PERFORMING BUT IT NEVER WENT.
GEORGE MCKNIGHT, RIGHT? GEORGE MCNIGHT, YES.
I DUNNO IF I NEED ANOTHER INFORMATION.
SO THEN I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT TO, UH, AUGUST 17TH.
SO MOTION TO TABLE RICHARD MATHIS TO AUGUST 17TH.
SO WHEN OUR AUGUST 17TH MEETING, WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING NOW WE'RE MEETING IN AUGUST.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER FOR THE PANEL BOARD TO FALL AND GET QUICKLY PROCESS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CHANGING THE LAW.
BE VERY CAREFUL WITH CHANGING A LAW.
SO WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 3RD MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL.
SO FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PEOPLE INC.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND, NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD,
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WEST SIDE OF ROGERS BOULEVARD.GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE FLAG FOR SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE A PEOPLE INC.
ALSO WITH ME WITH JOCELYN BASS FROM PEOPLE INC.
MARK BROOKS FROM LONG ARCHITECT LONG ASSOCIATES, CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINO WOOD DESIGN.
AND FINALLY DAVE BURKE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE BURKE FAMILY.
AS YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU DURING YOUR MEETING ON JULY 6TH.
THE LAYOUT REMAINS BASICALLY THE SAME AS WE PRESENTED NOT ONLY ON JULY 6TH, BUT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO FEBRUARY.
WE'RE SHOWING TWO MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS NOTED BUILDING A IN BUILDING B, BUILDING A IS 35 UNITS.
WE'RE SHOWING A TOTAL OF 104 PARKING SPACES.
ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING YOUR MEETING ON JULY 6TH WAS THE ADEQUATE SUITE OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND YOUR NEED FOR A MAKE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE PENDING REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I DID PROVIDE A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT JOCELYN BOS HAD PREPARED EARLIER THIS YEAR, PROVIDING A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF WHY WE FEEL THERE'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
AS YOU RECALL, WE PREVIOUSLY ADDED A SIDEWALK ALONG ROGERS ROAD BASED ON YOUR END INPUT ORDER THIS YEAR.
AND REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE WE'VE MADE SINCE WE WERE HERE A MONTH AGO WAS PURSUANT TO THE UPDATE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED SUBMISSION WE MADE ON JULY 28TH, WHICH YOU'LL RECOGNIZE FROM THE MEETING YOU HAD IN CONNECTION WITH THE ADJACENT BURKE PROJECT.
WE ARE SHOWING THE EXTENSION OF THE SO-CALLED HEART TRAIL ON THIS SITE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, BUT AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, WE THINK THIS MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF BOTH THE PENDING MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT NEXT DOOR AND THE PROPOSED PEOPLE INC.
OBVIOUSLY, THE TOWN BOARD PREVIOUSLY AMENDED THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF THE SITE TO PUD IN CONNECTION WITH THAT REZONING APPROVAL DID CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE COORDINATOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN ITS ISSUANCE OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO WE'RE HOPING, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE THIS EVENING THAT YOU'RE IN A POSITION YOU COULD AUTHORIZE THE PLAN DEPARTMENT PREPARED DRAFT RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SITE PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE MEETING.
ONE OTHER ADDITIONAL TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON JULY 6TH WAS THE FACT THAT THIS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY WILL BE SHARED BY BOTH THE PEOPLE INC PROJECT AND THE ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY SITES.
I DID PROVIDE SARAH TODAY WITH A LETTER THAT INCLUDED A DRAFT OF A RECIPROCAL MAINTENANCE AND ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THAT STORMWATER FACILITY.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY BRIAN ATIA ON BEHALF OF THE BURKE FAMILY.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S SUBJECT TO INPUT TO BE PROVIDED BY BOTH JENNIFER AND CAMIE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
THAT DOCUMENT WILL NOT BE RECORDED UNTIL WE CLOSE ON THE SITE, BUT IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT A SITE PLAN CONDITION FOR BOTH THIS PROJECT AND THE ADJACENT PROJECT, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UH, THE PROJECT TEAM WILL WELCOME 'EM.
DO ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW MANY TREES YOU'RE PLANTING AS PART OF THE, UM, QUICKLY
I DIDN'T MEAN ABOUT 55 TO 60 JUST ON MY QUICK MATH OF THE, HERE'S HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE.
WE HAVE THEM ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO LET'S, UH, THE NOTICE NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY PEOPLE INC.
TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED ON VACANT LAND WEST SIDE OF ROGERS ROAD, NORTH OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 3RD, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PEOPLE INC.
REFERRING US TO ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED? NO, JUST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THAT'S, IT'S THE, THE PEOPLE INC PROJECT.
FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY HERE, UH, WANTED TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PEOPLE INC.
PROJECTS BY ROGERS ROAD? I'M CHECKING
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AND THERE ARE SIDE, SORRY, THERE'S SIDEWALKS.WE ADDED SIDEWALKS BASED TIME.
YOUR INPUT ARE OVER IN FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME.
ANY, UH, ANY OPINIONS ON THE PEOPLE INC.
PROJECT? CHECKING TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ONLINE DOES NOT APPEAR THAT THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS ONLINE.
ALRIGHT, SO BEING NO COMMENTS, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PERMIT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT POTENTIAL RESOLUTIONS TO FOR OUR AUGUST 17TH MEETING.
ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS? ANYTHING YOU THINK OF? THE ONE SEAN JUST SAID ABOUT THE UH, THE EASEMENT STORM.
THE EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER STORM WATER.
AND BY THE WAY, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE THE, THE ONE NEXT DOOR, I'M GONNA HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS EVERY ACTION THAT IS INVOLVED WITH GEIS, YOU HAVE TO ALSO WHERE OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN BOARD MADE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
I'LL PROBABLY PUT THAT SAME RESOLUTION TOGETHER.
UNLESS YOU CAN THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE.
THE TOWN BOARD MADE A DECISION.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE IT'S SUBJECT TO EIS.
EVERY INVOLVED AGENCY HAS TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO CAN WE ADD THE TRAIL AS THE CONDITION TOO TRAIL? SURE.
ARE THERE ANY CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS? PEOPLE.
WHEN WAS THE E? HE SAID HE WAS GONNA SECOND IT, BUT I SECOND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT THE EIS THAT'S ATTACHED HERE, IT'S FROM 19 SECOND.
IT'S SO, IT'S SO IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN DRAW ANY KIND OF CONCLUSION.
BUT THERE IS NO EXPIRATION DATE FOR SEEK.
SO UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION.
YOU CAN ASK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO A MAG DECK, YOU CAN SAY IN COURT OF THE FINDINGS.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A 40-YEAR-OLD DOCUMENT OR CHARGE TO SAY IT'S A 30 5-YEAR-OLD THAT I GONNA, IT'S NOT YET.
DID YOU JUST HELP THE STATE REWRITE SEEKER TWO YEARS AGO? WAS THAT, WHERE WAS THAT? I SAID DIDN'T YOU JUST HELP THE STATE REWRITE SEEKER LIKE TWO YEARS AGO? WHERE WAS THAT? DOESN'T CHANGE.
DECISIONS MADE UNDER THE OLD LAW OR DECISION MADE UNDER THE OLD LAW.
BUT TRUE ISN'T THE ANSWER ON THIS PROJECT TO JUST SIMPLY AFFIRM THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THE CONGRESS? WE COULD DO THAT.
YEAH, WE HAVE THAT PROJECT SPECIFIC BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EIS AND THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SPECIFIC INFORMATION IN IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING MUCH TO DRAW COMPARISON.
THE CHOICE THAT THE TOWN BOARD MADE WAS ONE OF THE CHOICES IS THAT THE INFORMATION IS OUTDATED, THE PROJECT IS DIFFERENT.
THEREFORE WAS NOT ADDRESSED IN EIS.
YOU CAN ISSUE YOUR OWN NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN BOARD DID.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE GONNA WANT TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS SUBJECT TO AN EIS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
THE TOWN BOARD JUST MADE A DECISION FOR YOU.
THEY MADE A DECISION THEIR OWN DECISION.
SHALL WE HAVE A NEW EIF FOR THIS PROJECT? RIGHT? OH ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO YOU DO MAKE A NEW DECISION AND WE DON'T HAVE TO.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS THERE ANY, ANY ISSUES, CONCERNS YOU BROUGHT UP LANDSCAPING YOU BROUGHT UP, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC BEFORE WE SUBMITTED CROSS ACCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT.
ALL THOSE ISSUES WERE PRETTY WELL VETTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PDU ON THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVE A SHIP ON NO IMPACT LETTER.
I SAYING I BRING IT UP, BUT YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH APPEARANCES OF THE BUILDING.
I WAS ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING FROM ROGERS ROAD.
THEY'VE SUBMITTED IT, IT WAS IN THEIR PACKAGE.
IT'S GONNA LOOK NICE FROM, IT'S NOT LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING FACING.
WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, NOW OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE PLAZA THAT'S GONNA BE EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET IN THE WALMART.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO TRY TO FIT INTO THE CAR OF THE AREA.
SO ARE THERE ANY CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO NOTE IN THE, THAT MAINTAINING PROCESS THERE? THERE PROBABLY WILL BE A NEED FOR SOME, RIGHT? SOME CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT IN TERMS OF UTILITIES.
IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT AS A
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THERE, I DON'T KNOW, AN AMBULANCE, FIRE TRUCK OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.
IN ONE WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL GET OUT THROUGH THE OTHER YEAH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN, YEAH, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S MORE OF THE ACCESS I ABOUT IF THE PLANNING BOARD OR IF THE PLANNING BOARD THINKS IT'S APPROPRIATE.
I COULD SORT OF PUT A VERY BRIEF LETTER SUMMARIZE WHAT I BELIEVE THE COMMISSIONS MAKE SHOULD BE.
AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU BUT ONLY
YEAH, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ADOPT THEM.
AND THEN IT DARK SKY CLIENT LATER.
THERE WAS, AND I, UH, SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW.
ALL IN FAVOR AND WAS GONNA SAY FOR PROCEDURE, MAYBE WE WANT TO DO THE MOTION TO ALLOW YOU TO DRAFT IT BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE DRAFT, RIGHT? NO, NO.
USUALLY IT'S ON A QUESTION AFTER YOU HAVE A SECOND AND ON A QUESTION THEN, THEN ON A QUESTION.
YOU DIDN'T ASK ON A QUESTION SO I JUMPED IN.
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YES, WE'RE AUTHORIZING THEM TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.SO WE'RE SEEING THEM ON 17TH, SO WE'RE SEEING THEM ON THE 17TH.
ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S SIX NOW.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TAKE OUT? WEST? WEST? HER CHEVY AND SINATRA ARE NOT YET.
GOT THE LIST THAT YOU HAD WEST HER SEPTEMBER.
YOU'LL HAVE TO LET ME KNOW ABOUT WEST HER BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE COMING ON 17TH.
SO WE WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE 17TH, NON 17TH CALL AND THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE ANYWAY ON THE SEVENTH.
SO WHAT'S COMING UP? NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR QUICK SERVICE.
REAL CALL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TACO BELL RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
REMAINS, UH, MARATHON ENGINEERING HERE.
UM, COUPLE SMALL CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE OUR LAST TIME HERE.
UM, THERE WAS REQUESTED THAT THE FIVE SET OFFSET WE PROVIDED FOR THE PARKING, UH, WHICH WE HAVE DONE.
IN ADDITION, WE WERE ABLE TO SQUEEZE A FEW MORE PARKING SPACES IN CURRENTLY SITTING AROUND 17 PARKING SPACES.
RECALL CORRECTLY, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, CURRENT STACKING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING EIGHT, BUT IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ROOM FOR 11 JUST TO KIND OF GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BUFFER SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES IMPACTING INTERNAL TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL ON THE TRAFFIC ROAD.
RYAN, CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR LAST JORDANS? HOW DO YOU SPELL IT? J-O-R-D-A.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE MAJOR, UH, ITEMS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT IS THE STANDARD TIME TO FILL A DRIVE THROUGH ORDER FROM THE TIME SOMEBODY MAKES AN ORDER TO THE TIME THAT THEY'RE DONE? 90 SECONDS.
AND THEN HOW LONG? SO THEN THEY LEAVE THAT WINDOW IN 90 SECONDS AND THEN THEY GO TO THE OTHER WINDOW.
SO HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THEN FROM WHEN THEY LEAVE THE FIRST WINDOW AT THE END OF THAT END FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE THEIR ORDER ON AVERAGE? WELL IT'S 90 SECONDS FROM ORDER POINT TO PICK TO PICK UP.
THAT DOESN'T COUNT TIME TO WAIT TO MAKE THE ORDER.
UM, AND I'M DENNIS IS NOT HERE AND I'M GONNA APPLAUD HIM.
HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THE STACKING PROBLEM AND I KIND OF SAID IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STACKING PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF THE WAY TACO BELLS WORK.
AND I DID GO OVER THIS WITH ONE OF MY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
WHAT I MISSED WAS, AND IT IS A PROBLEM, IS THIS ENTRANCE HERE, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE SITE, YOU'RE FACING DIRECTLY INTO THE OUTLET OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
IF THIS GUY COMES OUT OF HERE AND THERE'S SOMEONE SITTING HERE MAKING TO DO A LEFT, HE IS GONNA GET STUCK HERE.
AND THE PROBLEM IS USUALLY WE'D SAY, OH, PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA GO THIS WAY, BUT THIS ALSO SERVE AS SERVICES AS WELL.
NOW THIS THIS, THIS IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION FOR THIS.
THIS IS SOMEONE HEADLIGHTS COMING STRAIGHT INTO PEOPLE COMING STRAIGHT OUT THIS WAY WITH ALL OF 'EM HAVE TO GO TO THIS LOCATION AND THEY'RE GONNA GO HERE AND THEY CAN ONLY STACK ONE CAR.
REALLY, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE BLOCKING THIS ENTRANCE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHAT DENNIS WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO ME AND I WASN'T LISTENING, UH, LAST TIME, BUT I DID SHOW THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE ESPECIALLY I DIDN'T REALIZE THE, WELL NOW, I MEAN I, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE WELL NOW PEOPLE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND TACO BELL TO GET TO, TO GET TO THEIR FACILITY IF THAT IS BLOCKED.
I MEAN, AND IT COULD BE BLOCKED VERY EASILY.
I DUNNO THE TIMING LENGTH OF THIS LIGHT, BUT I'M SURE IT'S IT'S MUCH SHORTER IN THIS DIRECTION THAN IT IS IN THIS.
AND WITH THIS PEOPLE COMING OUT HERE, THIS IS GONNA GET BLOCKED VERY QUICKLY.
AND THAT, AND THAT WELL NOW DOES A BUSTLING MM-HMM
YEAH, IT'S NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WORRIES OUTSIDE BUS.
I KNOW WHY THEY GOT TO THAT POINT, BUT THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM SOMEONE LEAVING A DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S GOT AN END CUT THIS WAY ACROSS THAT ENTRANCE IN A VERY SHORT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE TIM HORTON'S IN THE VILLAGE.
AND YOU COME AROUND, YOU DO YOUR PICKUPS AND YOU COME OUT, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM SOUTH PARK, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THAT SIDE STREET WITH THE NORTH STREET.
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STUCK THERE AND WAITING UNTIL THAT STACKING IS GONE UNTIL YOU CAN GET OUT.'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GO BACK OUT ON, ON SOUTH PARK.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH, SO EITHER THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING OR THE ORIENTATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH SO THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FURTHER BACK TO ALLOW FOR MORE STACKING SPACES? RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT.
SO YOU SEE WHERE LIKE THE, YOU'VE GOT THE, THERE'S LIKE A PENINSULA THAT SORT OF SPLITS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COMES FROM.
WELL NOW OVER IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO WITH THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE DRIVE THROUGH TO A ALLOW MORE STACKING SPACES WHERE PEOPLE LEAVING BOTH BUSINESSES, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WORD.
AND AND PLUS AT NIGHTTIME YOU'RE GONNA BE ENTERING WITH THEIR HEADLIGHTS, RIGHT? AT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HEADLIGHTS FACING OUT AT YOU.
I MEAN IT IS NOT USUALLY YOU PUT THOSE OFF, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID THIS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE SITE AND THEY'RE FIXED WITH THE LOCATION, THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE EXISTS AND THEY'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT.
IT'S, IT COULD BE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE.
IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN BLOCK OFF THAT ONE AREA BECAUSE THE PEOPLE GO IN THE, WELL NOW, WELL NOW LOOKS LIKE IT'S OPEN UNTIL 11:00 PM SO YOU DO HAVE LIKE A BUSINESS HOUR CONFLICT AND THEORETICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY IN IF YOU COME.
SO IT GOES WELL NOW MICHAEL'S UNCLE JOE'S DINER AND YOU CAN COME IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT GROUND TRIPPING THAT YOU CAN GO BEHIND MICHAEL'S TO GET TO WELL NOW, BUT IT'S VERY MUCH NOT INTUITIVE FROM THE STREET.
IT'S NOT IT'S WAY FROM THE WELL NOW PARKING LOT.
IT'S NOT INTUITIVE THAT YOU CAN OUT.
I MEAN LIKE WHEN YOU ARE HAVING EVEN HAD TO GO IN THERE NOT THE WINTER.
LIKE YOU COME IN HERE AND BECAUSE THE DUMPSTER AND THE FENCING ARE HERE, EVEN WHEN YOU PULL IN AND PARK OVER HERE, IT'S NOT OBVIOUS THAT YOU CAN COME OUT THIS WAY.
ANYWAY, THAT'S AS I WAS GONNA TELL DENNIS, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STACKING AROUND THE BUILDING.
THEY'VE STACKING PLENTY OF CARS.
RIGHT? STACKING, IT'S THE ISSUE OF LEAVING AND THE AN AND AND MAKING SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS IF YOU HAVE STAFF THERE AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO COME IN, IT'S, IT IS NOT A USUAL LAYOUT TO HAVE A ENTRANCE RIGHT ACROSS FROM RIGHT LINED UP WITH PEOPLE COMING THIS WAY.
YOU'D PROBABLY MOVE IT OVER TO WHERE THE PARKING IS AND PUT THE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN IT'LL BE OFFSET.
IT'S, I I PUBLIC HEARING FAMILIAR WITH THE WELL NOVEL.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS LIKE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC FLOWS ARE WE LOOKING AT A WELL LIKE, I MEAN I KNOW OUR URGENT CARE, URGENT CARE, IT'S AN URGENT CARE.
SO IT'S, SO IS IT LIKE EVERY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEIR, THEIR PEAK HOURS ARE PROBABLY AFTER REGULAR DOCTOR'S OFFICES ARE CLOSED AND DEPENDING OR WHENEVER PEOPLE GET INJURED WITH THE PANDEMIC.
THERE WERE LINES LIKE, WELL IT
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT HOW OFTEN DO THEY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR, OUR BUSINESS WE'RE, WE'RE IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT.
I DON'T, I CAN'T, I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT A, WELL NOW IS IT THEY MAKE APPOINTMENTS, WHAT, EVERY 10 MINUTES? YEAH, SO ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAVE AT A TIME, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET INJURED, YOU CAN CALL 'EM AND PICK A, PICK A TIME TO SHOW UP AND THERE 10, WELL YOU CAN ALSO JUST SHOW UP AS WELL AND THEY'LL SEE YOU IN PRIORITY COVID TESTING SITES.
SO THEN PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT CONSTANTLY.
WHERE ARE THE HOURS GONNA BE FOR THE TACO BELL? UM, I IT'S 10 TO LIKE SOME AREAS LIKE 10 TO 10, 10 TO ALLOW THE PA YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE COMMUNITIES.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT HE JUST DESCRIBED? I I, I CAN SEE HOW IT COULD BE AN ISSUE, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT IT JUST BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE OF THE SITE ITSELF IS POSES SOME CHALLENGES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE KEEPING THE EXISTING EXIT, IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
UM, I THINK THE ONE ISSUE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ON, WE CAN KIND OF FLIP THE BUILDING HERE AND THERE, BUT I THINK IN DOING SO WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING HAPPEN IS EVEN IF WE MOVE THE ENTRANCE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY TIGHT.
SO I'M SAYING EVEN IF WE COULD, WHICH YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A, IT'S GONNA BE A, A VERY TIGHT SQUEEZ IN AND OUT.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO IS, UM, TRUCK ACCESS FOR DELIVERIES.
IT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK OUT TOO WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, THIS IS THE WISE POINT.
THE SITE BUILDING'S GONNA HAVE TO GO RIGHT HERE
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AND THERE'S JUST GONNA BE NO REAL, I MEAN, CAN YOU GO, I'M NOT EVEN SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE 90 DEGREES, BUT CAN YOU PUT IT AT AN ANGLE PARALLEL TO THE DIAGNOSE? I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONFIGURATIONS IN THE SITE THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE, WOULD PROVIDE WHAT YOU NEED AND STILL ALLEVIATE I I DON'T THINK WE ANSWER ON THE SPOT.WE PROBABLY, BUT LIKE I SAID IN IN DOING SO AND CHANGING THE BUILDING'S ORIENTATION WE'RE PROBABLY HAVE END UP HAPPENING IS THAT'S GONNA END UP IMPACTING CROSS ACCESS.
WHICH I DUNNO THAT IF WE DO HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING OUT RIGHT HERE.
WHICH, I MEAN COULD WE STILL MAKE IT WORK? POTENTIALLY.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING AROUND AND THERE'S NOT GONNA, COMING OUT THERE IS BETTER THAN I THINK COMING OUT HERE IS BETTER.
EITHER WAY THERE'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE AT THE ISSUE WITH THE LIGHT WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM LOWE'S, TRAFFIC FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
THERE'S MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE AND IF YOU SHIFT THAT BACK, THE STACKING OR PEOPLE PAUSING IS GONNA REMAIN FURTHER BACK ON THE SITE AND NOT AT THE INTERSECTION PREVENTING FLOW IN OR OUT OF THE, THE PROPERTIES.
I GUESS, I GUESS THE QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS AND ANY OTHER, UM, CRITERIA THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET TO KIND OF FIT THAT.
IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.
WHICH I MEAN, GLAD, GLAD TO LOOK AT IT.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD COME THE DESIGN THAT WAS MUCH BETTER, THAT REQUIRED A VARIANCE OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WAY TO RESOLVE IT AND MAKE IT BETTER.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT PERFECT BECAUSE OF YOU HAVE A FIXED POINT HERE, YOU HAVE A FIXED POINT HERE AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A DOUBLE, DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT WORK? YOU CAN'T PUSH THE BUILDING BACK ANY FURTHER TO ALLOW MORE.
AND IT IS JUST A DIFFICULT ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE JUST LOOKED AT IT QUICKLY AND SAID, THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER TO THIS.
WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU WORK ON IT? AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES REQUIRE VARIANCES, JUST EMAIL IT OVER TO US AND WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT BUILDING INSPECTION WITH YOU AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK IT MIGHT BE.
BE BECAUSE THEY WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT REQUIRE VARIANCES BUT WORK BETTER TO WORK MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO TALK TO WILL NOW TOO.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT, I MEAN, BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT OURS ON GOOGLE AND, AND HOW SPECULATED WHAT THE WILL IS AND THEIR PATIENT LOAD MM-HMM
HOW MANY PATIENTS PER HOUR? THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR USE, WHICH JUST LIKE, SO I, I GUESS I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS OFFHAND.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE WELL THAT WAS PUT IN? YEAH, WE HAVE SINCE I WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
THE PHOTO DOESN'T SHOW I HAVE IT.
SO IT WAS NOT, SO PRESUMABLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A TRAFFIC REPORT FOR THEM AND HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ANTICIPATED THEY TRIGGERED ONE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO BECAUSE THEY USED AN EXISTING CURB CUT AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HIT THE THRESHOLD OF TRIPS INTERSECTION.
SO, SO I, I GUESS BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH.
THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION.
SO, SO I GUESS THE IDEA IS GOING HAND IN HAND.
EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY FURTHER BASED ON WHAT NOT.
THAT'S THOSE, THOSE ARE TRAFFIC COUNT, LIKE TRIP IMPACTS.
YOU'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT ARE WARRANTED BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND WHATEVER, RIGHT.
AND THEN FOR, WELL NOW DID NOT READ THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, DOT.
SO THEY'RE USING EXISTING ENTRANCE, NO TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU DON'T, I MEAN THEY LIKE A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
EVEN WITH AN EXISTING, YOU'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT.
IT IS THE PROBLEM OF GETTING, AND THAT'S OUR JOB.
THE TRAFFIC FROM YOUR SITE ONTO, ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY.
THE STATE ALWAYS TELLS ME THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITHIN THE SITE.
THE STATE IS, DOES IT ACT, GET ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY THE CORRECT WAY.
OUR PROBLEM IS WITHIN YOUR SITE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT'S HOW YOU APPROVE YOUR SITE PLAN OF GETTING THE TRAFFIC INTO THE SITE.
I'M NOT STACKING VEHICLES ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY.
YEAH, WE CAN, IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF DO DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON? JUST BECAUSE IT, YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK THEM.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE TRIED TO REACH NEIGHBORS AND THOUSAND OBVIOUSLY.
SOMETIMES WE JUST DON'T GET, SARAH MIGHT HAVE A CONTACT IN THE FILE FROM SO, SO IF GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PERFORM WHATEVER THEY HAVE WOULD BE PRE, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PERFORM A TRAFFIC COUNT.
AGAIN, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT ON PAPER YOU COULD SEE THE CONFLICT, BUT IN REALITY, IF, IF, IF, IF IT'S A CAR EVERY 15 MINUTES, HOW MUCH OF A CONFLICT CAN IT BE WITH A CAR EVERY 15 MINUTES? RIGHT.
I DUNNO THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT COMING OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, WELL NOW IT'S EVERYBODY LINING UP AT THE LIGHT.
IT'S YES, ITS THE ISSUE OF STEM.
RIGHT, WHICH IS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THEY, THEY WOULD ADD ONE EVERY 15
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MINUTES.NOW THE OTHER THING, SO THE QUESTION IS, I, I KNOW OUR DESIGN HAS NO PROBLEM WITH TACO BELL IN AND OUT THE SAME WAY.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE KFC.
BUT WHEN YOU INCORPORATE THE, WELL NOW NO, WHERE'S THE CONFLICT? SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STACKING SPACES AT THE LIGHT.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STACKING SPACES.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY EVERY 90 SECONDS AND THAT LIGHT CHANGES EVERY FIVE MINUTES OR WHATEVER FOR THOSE MINOR MM-HMM
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACES FOR YOUR CARS TO STACK TO GET OUT OR ABILITY TO GET OVER THAT.
HOW LONG DOES THE, HOW DOES IT TAKE THE LIGHT TO CHANGE? RIGHT.
EVEN IF, EVEN IF THERE WAS NO, WELL NOW THAT STILL WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF THERE WAS NO, WELL NOW CONNECTED HERE, I MEAN THAT STILL DON'T, LIKE, WE STILL LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS ENTRANCE FACES RIGHT IN.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE ANYBODY COMING INTO THIS SITE IS GOING MAKE, GONNA MAKE A RIGHT TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A LEFT.
MATTER OF FACT, WE'D HAVE, WE'D HAVE DIRECTION HOURS HELD, THEY CAN'T GO THAT WAY.
BUT IN THIS CASE, SOMEONE'S PULLING IN HERE TO GO TO, WELL NOW THEY'RE GONNA CUT ACROSS THIS, THIS SHORT LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE AND I CAN'T FORCE 'EM TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING.
IMAGINE TRYING TO PUT A SIGN UP TO TELL WELLNOW PEOPLE YOU GOTTA GO AROUND THE TACO BELL AROUND THE BACK OF IT TO, TO GET TO THAT ENTRANCE.
THEY'RE GONNA GO RIGHT TO THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE.
UM, ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT'S GETTING INTO THE WELL NOW.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY QUICK SERVICE, REAL CO CONSTRUCT, A NEW TACO BELL RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 3RD, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TACO BELL PROJECT? UH, YES I AM.
YOU COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE RECORD.
I'M THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO WHERE THIS PROPOSED SITE IS TRYING TO COME BECOME RIGHT THERE.
SORRY, CAN YOU POINT JUST ONE MORE TIME? MY GOT IT.
SO I CAN, I CAN ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS ON, WELL NOW IT'S BUSY ALL DAY.
THERE'S TRAFFIC IN AND OUT AND AMBULANCES IN AND OUT, AND THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY THEY USE.
UH, WHEN THE LIGHT IS RED AND PEOPLE ARE EXITING, THREE CARS WILL BLOCK THAT DRIVEWAY WAITING FOR THE LIGHT.
SO IT IS A, IT IS A PINCH POINT AND IT IS A BOTTLENECK.
YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT THOUGH.
UM, SO REGARDING THE, WELL NOW WHEN YOU CALL, THEY'RE OPEN FROM 7:00 AM TILL 11:00 PM AND THERE'S CARS WAITING AT 7:00 AM TO GET IN.
UH, AND THERE'S ROUGHLY, IF I HAVE TO GUESS OR PUT AN AVERAGE ON IT, THERE'S ROUGHLY SIX CARS THERE ALL THE TIME.
AND THIS IS REGULAR DAILY ACTIVITY.
SO IT, IT IS A VERY BUSY PLACE AND THERE ARE ALWAYS CARS WAITING AT THE LIGHT THAT ARE EXIT I, THE ALTERNATE ROUTE GOING THROUGH MICHAEL'S BECAUSE OF THE DUMPSTER AND, UH, PEOPLE ACTIVITY, THE WORKERS AT, WELL NOW THEY CROSS THAT PARKING LOT REGULARLY.
THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING TRAFFIC TO BE COMING THROUGH THERE ALONG WITH THE PARKING THAT CONGESTS THAT OTHER PINCH POINT AS WELL.
AND ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE OR? WELL, THE DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU'RE LIMITED, UH, AND, UH, AS AN OPTION, I, I WOULD, I WOULD I I GUESS BE RECEPTIVE TO IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PURCHASE SOME OF MY PROPERTY THAT WE LEAVE THAT BOTTLENECK.
I WILL, I'D BE WILLING TO LISTEN OFFERS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D ADD.
UH, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THE SECOND TIME? ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE TACO BELL PROJECT? PAUSE.
UM, FOR THE THIRD TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, I'M NOT GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL KEEP IT OPEN SO THAT WAY IF WE COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION OR SOMETHING, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL JUST LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
LET TABLE THIS TO, UH, SEPTEMBER 7TH.
SO THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, THE TABLE TACO BELL LEAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO SEPTEMBER 7TH.
THAT'S CONDITION UPON, YOU HAVE
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TO GET SOMETHING IN THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 7TH.YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING IN CALL SARAH EPTEMBER SEVENTH.
SO HAVE SOMETHING INTO US BY SEPTEMBER 7TH EARLIER THAN THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
SO WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME INPUT BY, UM, BY, BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 7TH.
UM, I GUESS AS A POINT OF PROCESS, WE GET SOMETHING IN, UM, I GUESS W WOULD WE ANTICIPATE REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME OR WOULD IT JUST BE KIND OF AT THE MEETING KIND OF DISCUSSING? IF YOU GET IT TO ME BY THE FRIDAY BEFORE THEN I FORWARD WHAT YOU GIVE TO ME ONTO ALL OF THEM.
SO THAT BY THE TIME THEY COME, THEY'VE ALREADY, AND IT'S GOTTA BE PUBLISHED TO THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AT LEAST 24 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING SO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD'VE TIME TO REVIEW IT ALSO BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEADLINE IS FOR THE ZONING BOARD, BUT THEY MEET THE NIGHT BEFORE US IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? NO, NO.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE MAKE THAT ONE ANYWAY, I THINK.
IF YOU NEED A VARIANCE AND YOU CAN GET IN HERE BY THE 20 20TH OF AUGUST OR 25TH.
UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE AND FARM LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW 3,780 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND A 640 SQUARE FOOT CONNECTOR BUILDING AT 4 4 8 4 CLARK STREET.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN? SORRY.
NOTICE IS HERE, A MARRIAGE NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LOCKWOOD GREENHOUSES AND FARM LLC TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 3,780 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND 640 SQUARE FOOT CONNECTOR BUILDING AT 4 4 8 4 CLARK STREET.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 3RD, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANY COMMENTS FOR AGAINST LOCKWOOD GREENHOUSE FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS BEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE RESOLUTIONS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, RIGHT? WE DO, WE DO PUT PREPARED ON OH, YEP.
ARE THERE ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE NEED TO ADD ON THIS? YOU HAVE DARK COMPLIANT LIGHTING, RIGHT? YEP.
DARK SEMI COMPLIANT LIGHTINGS IN THERE.
YEAH, IT'S, I WOULD ORDER A SIGN WAY BEHIND THE MIDDLE, BEHIND BEHIND STRUCTURE.
SO I DID, I I JUST READ THOSE RESOLUTIONS.
HAS EVERYBODY ELSE GOT A CHANCE TO READ THE RESOLUTIONS? I'M GONNA, SO WE'RE WAIVING THE CONSTRUCTION SIDEWALKS BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, NOT ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK SIDE AT ALL ON THAT SIDE.
ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PARK SIDE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO ADD THEM THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT I'M SURE FAIR WEEK COMING UP, I'M SURE PEOPLE WALK UP YEAH.
FROM SIDE SIDEWALKS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS RECENTLY.
I I, I WALKED THERE, JUST WALK TO THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION IS SIDEWALK.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION'S.
A REALLY, UM, THE THING IS TOO, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL UP AND DOWN THERE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE PROBABLY.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHERE THEY MIGHT DO SOMETHING AND THEN YOU GET THEM TO PUT IT IN.
IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRY AND THE FAIR TREE.
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AND THEN THE OTHER WAY IS PROBABLY RAM STYLES DRY CLEANERS.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, I CAN'T SEE PUTTING A SIDEWALK JUST IN FRONT OF THAT ONE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THERE ISN'T GONNA BE ANY ALL THE WAY SIDEWALK.
HOW FAR YOU, HOW FAR YOU WANNA KEEP GOING ON SIDEWALKS? I WANT KEEP GOING ON SIDEWALKS UNTIL PEOPLE CAN WALK SAFELY WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS, SORRY, I'M A LOT OLDER THAN YOU.
EVERYBODY COULD WALK EVERYWHERE.
WE HAD NO PROBLEMS. NOW HANDRAIL, I'D SAY IT WOULD BE HANDRAIL, BUT ON THE CORNER OF MCKINLEY AND CLARK, THAT'S A SPOT WHERE WE WOULD, THE TOWN WAS LOOKING AT GETTING SOME FUNDING TO REDO THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
SO BECAUSE THERE ARE KIDS THAT CUT THAT WAY, THE OTHER, IF, IF WE, IF IF WE, IF WE DID END UP GETTING THAT FUNDING AND DOING THAT, WE MAY BE ABLE TO FILL IN THE GAP BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THAT CORNER.
HOW FAR IS IT FROM YOUR PROPERTY TO THE CORNER OF MCKINLEY AND CLARK? UH, ONE, THERE'S ABOUT TWO FIVE LOTS.
AND THERE ARE FIVE LOTS TILL THE SIDEWALK OR PARK STREET ADDRESS TO THE FAIRGROUNDS.
THERE'S ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ON MCKINLEY? I THERE MIGHT BE SIDEWALKS ON MCKINLEY? NOT ON OUR NO, NO, THERE'RE NOT SIDEWALK.
THAT'S WHY LOOKING AT IT FIELD AND THE O BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, THAT'S A PLACE, WELL THE O YELLOW HOOSE IS THE GUY THAT CAME TO US CAME AND WE MAKE THEM THE SIDEWALKS.
BUT THAT'S A PLACE WHERE NO, THERE'S CURB CUT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON THE AERIAL MUSEUM.
AND THERE'S THE CURB CUTS FROM THE, IS IT A BAR THAT WAS THERE OR CAR PLACE ON THE CORNER OF, ON OUR SIDE? YEAH, THERE WERE TWO CARS THERE.
I'LL JUST SAY I'M NOT, AND THIS, I MEAN WE, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PLANS TO PUT DIFFERENT SIDEWALKS IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AND HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND IF WE CAN DO THAT OR DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
BUT DO WE WANT TO ADD A CONDITION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THE STARBUCKS WHERE YOU CAN ADD SIDEWALKS AT SUCH TIME AS WE ASK FOR THEM? MAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, I I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE JUST DON'T WAVE THE SIDEWALKS.
BUT I MEAN, DOUG WANTS TO WAVE THE SIDEWALKS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT ANTI SIDEWALK.
BUT I HAVE TWO REAL QUESTIONS.
IF IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM TO BUILD SIDEWALKS.
SO INEVITABLY YOU GET FROM MCKINLEY TO LOCKWOOD AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET TO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL, I'M LOOKING AT YOU DREW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WHAT'S THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK LIKE WHAT IS THE, THE CATALYST TO TRIGGER THE CONDITION? BECAUSE HE IS NOT A NEW BUILD, HE'S ADDING A, LIKE A BUILDING TO AN EXISTING PLACE.
SO IS THAT, IS IT LIKE ANY ACTION REQUIRES SIDEWALKS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
LIKE IS HE ACTUALLY TRIGGERING A SIDEWALK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE YOUTH OR BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
ANYTIME YOU HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
OKAY, SO IT'S ON SITE PLAN, RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE TO EITHER WAVE THE SIDEWALKS OR SIDEWALKS THAT PUT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT YOU FIND.
YOU'RE RIGHT, TYPICALLY THEY'RE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS FOR.
SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE PUTS A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OR 15 HOUR SQUARE FOOT EDITION OR WHATEVER, ARE WE MAKING THEM PUT SIDEWALKS IN? DON? THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY WALKABLE EVERYWHERE.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A COURT AND TARGETED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
IN THIS CASE, THERE IS SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AS BILL SAID, WE ARE, THE TOWN IS ACTIVELY PURSUING A, A PROJECT AT THE CORNER OF, OF, UH, CLARK AND MCKINLEY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
YOU KNOW, UM, SO DO WE SAY CLARK IS NOT A REAL BUSY ON A BUSY STREET.
YOU WANT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD? REMEMBER WE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER WITH SOUTH PARK? YOU WANT SIDEWALKS TO GO SIDE ROAD? I WANT INDUCE PEOPLE THAT TO TRY TO CROSS THE STREET ALL THE TIME TO USE A SIDEWALK.
PARK STREET IS A BUSIER STREET, OBVIOUSLY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, BUT IT'S NOT A MAJOR HIGHWAY EITHER.
IT'S NOT A SOUTH PARK OR SOUTHWEST.
SO IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION ON THEIR PARK.
ASK THIS GENTLEMAN TO PUT IN SIDEWALK, WHAT'S THE STREET, WHAT'S THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR TIRE LENGTH OF YOUR PROPERTY THERE? OR THIS PART OF IT WOULD BE YOU'D PUT SIDEWALKS IN ABOUT 300 FEET.
IT LOOKS LIKE 2 86, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU'D BE ASKING HIM TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN FOR THIS 300 FOOT SECTION, NOT FOR ANY OF THE ADJOINING LOTS OR WHATEVER, BUT IT IS 300 FOOT SECOND.
SO AGAIN, SO I CAN'T HELP YOU, BUT I'M
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TRYING TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION.WELL I JUST THINK THE PRESUMPTION EXISTS FOR A REASON.
AND SO THERE HAS TO BE A STRONG REASON TO, TO CAUSE US TO WAIVE IT.
I MEAN, WE ARE ACTUALLY MAKING AN AFFIRMATIVE DECISION TO WAVE SIDEWALKS.
THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT A PERSON WHO'S, WHO IS REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS ASKING IS IT HAS TO PUT THEM IN UNLESS WE FIND A, A JUSTIFICATION THAT, THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN.
THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND IN, IN A COURT OR LIKE THIS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE DO WALK, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH THE PRESUMPTION AND, AND NOT WAVE AND NOT WAVE SIDEWALKS.
BUT WILL THEY REDUCE, THEY REDUCED THE SPEED LIMIT THERE.
WELL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT AND ON THE PEDESTRIAN PRESUMABLY TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
NO, NO, I JUST KNOW THAT THE REDUCED SPEED LIMIT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THEY GET IT AND UH, AND THEY ENFORCE IT TOO.
BUT, UH, I MEAN I I SEE WHAT JEFF, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH A HEAVILY PEDESTRIAN AREA, I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS, HOW THIS AREA IS IF PEOPLE WALKING AND DOWN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE A CHICKEN OR EGG STREET IS THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO THERE'S PEOPLE GOING THERE AND IT'S LIKE A, THERE'S THE CORRIDOR OVER THERE THAT YOU GET PEOPLE WALKING DOWN TO CHARLES FS INTO THAT CIRCLE AND THEN CIRCLE'S LIKE A DESTINATION FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACCESS WITH THE BIKE.
LET'S JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE, YEAH, I DUNNO.
SO I GOT A QUESTION ON SIDEWALKS TOO.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, SIDEWALKS IN THE VILLAGE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK IN THE VILLAGE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPKEEP OR YOU HAVE YOU, THE, THE HOMEOWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO, UH, DO ALL REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENTS.
AND IF SOMEONE GETS HURT FOR ANY REASON, THE HOMEOWNER GETS SUED.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, IS THE TOWN THE SAME WAY THE TOWN LAW ABOUT SIDEWALKS? IS IS BASICALLY YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PLOWING, PLOWING THEM, MAINTAINING THEM, ET CETERA, AND YOU'RE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING? WELL, IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN LAW THAT WAY FOR THE LAW.
SOMEBODY, IT'S A SIMPLE LAW THAT'S IT'S SIMPLE LAW THAT SAYS YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK FOR YOUR HOUSE.
AND IT'S, I MEAN THE SAME GOES THOUGH IF PEOPLE ARE ALREADY WALKING THERE TO GET TO THE FAIR, WHICH PEOPLE WILL DO LIKE, AND SOMEBODY GETS INJURED WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE ON HIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN IT'S UNFORTUNATELY THE SAME SITUATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, BESIDES C BE YEAH, YEAH, SO, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T MANDATE THEM ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AT CURRENTLY THE, WE CAN, WE CAN MANDATE THEM ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE APPROVING.
LIKE IF IT'S, IF IF THEY SAID, HEY, WE WANNA SUBDIVIDE THIS, WE COULD, WE CAN MANDATE THAT, BUT I'M, SO WE CAN'T MANDATE THEM ON AN EXISTING ONE.
SO MY SCENARIO, IF, IF I PUT SIDEWALK IN MY PROPERTY AND IT'S AN ISLAND CAN, IS THERE A PROVISION POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE THAT THE TOWN WOULD SAY WE WANT SIDEWALKS, BOTH SIDES OF CLARK STREET, THEY'D GO TO ALL THOSE RESIDENCES AND SAY WE'RE GONNA CONNECT MCKINLEY TO SOUTH PARK SIDEWALK.
I THINK, I THINK THEY CAN GO TO THOSE RESIDENTS AND SAY WE'RE GONNA GO TO FROM MCKINLEY TO SOUTH PARK AND THEN AS PART OF AN OVERALL PROJECT, THEY PUT THEM IN AND NOW THEY'RE STUCK WITH MAINTAIN.
TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IN MUNICIPALITY IS THAT EITHER GET A GRANT
THEY FORM A SIDEWALK DISTRICT PAY FOR THE SIDEWALKS THAT GO IN AND THEN BASICALLY THE SIDEWALK DISTRICT IS TAXED.
YOU GET A TAX BILL EACH YEAR, $20 OR WHATEVER IN YOUR TAX BILL FOR, FOR THE COST OF PUTTING THOSE IN.
SO THAT'S BEEN THE METHODOLOGIES FOR, UH, FOR IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IF THEY WEREN'T PUT IN, IS THAT YOU FORM A SIDEWALK DISTRICT AND THEN THEY GO ON AT A LATER DATE.
MUCH HARDER AS CAM KNOWS AT A LATER DATE TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN.
AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS ON THE, AROUND THERE AND WHATEVER, A DIFFICULT MATTER IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND JUST SO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I MEAN AN ISLAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN STATED AS A, AS A REASON NOT TO CREATE SIDEWALKS OR TO IDENTIFY PEDESTRIANS COULD EXISTING PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
UM, AS A REASON NOT TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS TRYING TO, TRYING TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN STRESS AND ENCOURAGE SAFE PEDESTRIAN ASTRONAUTS.
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LOOK, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CREATE THE SPACE FOR THAT TO EXIST AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL ALWAYS BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.IT'S LIKE THE 10TH TIME I'VE SAID IT
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S SORT OF THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW I APPROACH THOSE.
I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO DO IT.
IF, YOU KNOW THERE WAS A PLAN IN THE TOWN TO SAY, CUT, LET'S CONNECT MCKINLEY IS SOUTH PARK, THEN THAT'S WALKING TRAFFIC GOING BY MY PLACE.
I DON'T MIND A BIT RIGHT, BECAUSE BRING CUSTOMERS.
I MEAN, NOT TO MAKE PEOPLE PROBABLY WALK TO MY PLACE, BUT THEY GOTTA CARRY PLAN.
BUT I DO, IF THEY DO GIFTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD EASILY CARRY IT.
SO IT IS, AS BILL MENTIONED, THERE IS A PUSH BY THE TOWN TO HOPEFULLY DO A PROJECT AT CLARK AND MCKINLEY TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN, IMPROVE THE NATURE OF ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTION.
I PEDESTRIAN RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT, WE WERE LOOKING AT TYING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THE SIDEWALKS EXIST ALREADY AND THEY CROSSWALKS IN THOSE AREAS.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES AND IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, IF THAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN.
BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE COMMITTED TO BECAUSE THESE PROPERTIES IN BETWEEN HERE ARE NOT, BUSINESSES ARE NOT, EVENTUALLY THE TOWN'S GONNA TO STEP IN AND PAY FOR THOSE SIDEWALKS OR SOMEONE PUT THOSE IN.
IS THAT WHERE THE BIKE PATH THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN CONNECTION WITH THE OTHER STARBUCKS? DON'T KNOW THAT.
I JUST KNOW NO SINGLE PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAYBE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT PARTICULAR BIKE PATH WAS THIS.
I THOUGHT THERE'S A DIFFERENT WHAT'S THAT? NO, CLARK IS COUNTY.
WELL LET'S JUST FIGURE OUT WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S SIDE, SO THE SIDEWALK, HOLD ON.
WE CAN, WE CAN ARGUE THE, THE MERITS OF SIDEWALKS ALL.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THERE IS SIDEWALKS ALREADY AT SOUTH PARK COMING AROUND JPS AND THEN IT'S PAVEMENT.
AND THEN SO IT'S NOT AT, SO THERE'S SOME, IT'S GETTING THERE.
SO DOUG SIDEWALKS OR NO SIDEWALKS? NO, NO SIDEWALKS, JAB, SIDEWALKS OR NO SIDEWALKS.
I HAVE REASONS BUT I'LL KEEP, I'LL SHARE THEM WHEN I GOT A LOT OF SIDEWALKS.
UM, I SAY SIDEWALKS THEN'S THREE.
AND, AND THEN IT'S NOT DENNIS, I KNOW DENNIS IS NOT HERE AND WE HAVEN'T TALK, SO, ALRIGHT.
ALL UM, AND HE'S LIKE, HE JUST WANTS TO DO, WOULD YOU TO MAKE A SUGGESTION? I MEAN THE ONLY SUGGESTION CAN, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION ISSUE LIKE THAT.
UM, PUT A CONDITION, DON'T WAIVE THE SIDEWALK, BUT A CONDITION THAT UH, THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH TAMMY AND, AND TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND WHATEVER, LEAVE UP TO THEM TO THE LOCATION AND WHATEVER.
BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT SIDE BOARD TO MAKE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I, I MEAN DIDN'T YEAH TO ON EITHER.
THEN HE NEEDS TO PUT THEM IN BECAUSE MY, MY PART ISSUE HERE IS THAT I, I LOVE THE ADDITION OF THE SIDEWALKS, BUT THE REST OF THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AND SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM GETTING SIDEWALKS FROM TOPS TO LOCKWOOD IS BASICALLY IMPROBABLE.
AND I DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CROSS CLARK IN THE MIDDLE.
WAIT, SO WHY TO GET FROM SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK.
WHY IS WHAT SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IMPROBABLE.
I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITIZATION IT WHETHER OR NOT WE GET A GRANT FOR THAT AREA.
THE TOWN HAS TO PRIORITIZE A GRANT TO GET IT DONE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
IT'S IMPROBABLE OF THE INDIVIDUALS TO PUT THEM IN BECAUSE THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THAT IS BUT THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT HAPPEN BUT AM AMS NOW WE WE'RE GETTING A GRANT TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
SO, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN THAT LOCATION.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, CAN'T WE CONDITION THIS APPROVAL THEN ON IF WE GET FUNDING OR IF SIDEWALKS ARE GOING IN ON THE REST OF THE ROAD, THEN HE PUTS IN, I I MEAN CONTRARY TO WHAT THE ATTORNEY FOR PETERSON SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE ARE ENFORCEABLE.
I THINK I ALSO DON'T 'CAUSE THEY'RE FUTURE CONDITIONS.
BUT HE SEEMS REALLY WILLING
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A TON OF, THERE MAY BE SOME
THE ONES IN AMAZON ARE GOING YOUR SPLIT RAIL FENCE THAT LOG ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY AISLE APPEARS FROM THIS, THIS MAP.
LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE
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SIDEWALKS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD, THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE THAT.OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA PUT SIDEWALKS THERE.
IF WE PUT IT ON ITS PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE HAVE A SPLIT RAIL FENCE.
SO BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND WHATEVER.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE IT ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T, YOU HAVE A SPLIT BOAT.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TO TABLE IT UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, CAN WE PUT IT ON IN TWO WEEKS AND TRY TO RESOLVE IT? I KNOW YOUR AGENDA'S BUSY BILL, BUT WE CAN DO THE SECRET APPROVAL, RIGHT? WE CAN APPROVE THE SECRET.
YEAH, WE CAN DO THE SEE DO THE SECRET.
PUT IT ON FOR TWO WEEKS TO TALK SIDEWALKS.
WE GOTTA DO FIRST WE JUST ADD NO, WE WE'RE GONNA END UP TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALK FOR 45 MINUTES.
I KNOW YOU'LL, COULD YOU POLISH IT UP MAYBE? AND CAN YOU MAKE IT LONGER? I'LL JUST RECORD IT.
NEGATIVE DECLARATION RESOLUTION LOCK WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE LOCKWOOD PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 3,780 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND A 640 SQUARE FOOT CONNECTOR BUILDING AT 4 4 8 4 CLARK STREET AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD IS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE LOCK WITH GREENHOUSE TO SEPTEMBER 7TH FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN CONDITIONS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOP THE LOCATION OF THE FORMAL IMMA FORMER IMMA CONCEPTION COVENANT INTO MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING AT 5 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
I'M JIM MASON WITH PHILLIPS LE WITH ME, MATT CONNORS, THE SINATRA COMPANY AND CHRIS WOOD WITH PERINA WOOD DESIGN.
UM, WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER IMMACULATE CONCEPTION CONVENT WITH, UH, SENIOR HOUSING AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AND SOULS.
I ANTICIPATE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIMILAR SIDEWALK THIS COUNTRY THIS EVENING.
UM,
SO TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE FINAL ISSUES AND HOPEFULLY, UM, ASK YOU ALL TO DIRECT THE CLINTON STAFF, UM, TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS ON THE SECRET SIDE OF THINGS AND FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, SO JUST A LITTLE UPDATE AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE THIS BOARD.
UM, WE SUBMITTED SOME SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS ON THE 28TH.
MOST OF THOSE MATERIALS WERE WHAT WAS ALREADY BEFORE THIS BOARD, UM, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING SOME UPDATED RENDERINGS WITH AND WITHOUT FIRMS. UM, ALSO IN THERE WE HAD RECEIVED, SARAH FORWARDED US A COPY OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM COUNTY DPW, UM, ASKING FOR A STORMWATER PLAN AND A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, TURNING LANE AND SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WE ALREADY COMPLETED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND A SW SO WE FORWARDED THE COUNTY.
ALL OF THE MATERIALS WE HAD IN ADDITION, SRF DID COMPLETE THE ADDITIONAL WARRANT ANALYSIS THAT THE COUNTY WAS REQUESTING.
UM, THE WARRANTS WERE NOT MET, BUT WE FORWARDED THAT INFORMATION ALL ALONG TO DPW AND SAID, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW.
WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UM, AFTER, SORRY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE WARRANT ANALYSIS IS AND HOW THAT APPLIES? YEAH, SO WARRANT ANALYSIS IS BASICALLY A CALCULATION.
AGAIN, NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEER SRF COMPLETED THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE PROJECT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A CALCULATION BASED ON SOME OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE PEAK TRAFFIC TO BE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN WARRANTS ARE MET REQUIRING OR INDICATING THAT A TURNING LANE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS MITIGATION OR INDICATING THAT HIS TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS MITIGATION.
IF YOU DON'T MEET THOSE WARRANTS, UM, OFTEN, YOU KNOW, D-O-T-D-P-W WILL SAY
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THAT THEY DO NOT WANT A TURNING LANE, DO NOT WANT A SIGNAL 'CAUSE IT MAY ACTUALLY CREATE MORE ISSUES IN, UM, SOLVING PROBLEMS. SO THE WARRANTS WERE NOT MET AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, FEEDBACK FROM, SO LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS.UM, ON THE SIDEWALK FRONT WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CURRENTLY PROPOSED SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH PARK.
UM, PART OF THAT DISCUSSION HAD TO DO WITH THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE THERE AND THE FACT THAT THOSE TREES ARE CURRENTLY WHERE THE SIDEWALK WAS PROPOSED TO GO.
UM, AND THAT IF WE RETAIN THOSE TREES, WE THEN WOULD BE MOVING THE SIDEWALK OUT OF RIGHT AWAY ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOS AND THAT THERE'S NO CURRENT SIDEWALK PROPOSED THERE AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, WITH PUTTING A SIDEWALK THERE THAT WE'LL GET INTO AGAIN IN A BIT.
BUT IN CONNECTION WITH THAT DISCUSSION, WE ALSO LOOKED AT REMOVING THE BERMS AND WOULD THAT CREATE MORE ROOM? WOULD THAT LOOK BETTER FROM AN AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE? WHAT WAS, WHAT WERE THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? WE ALSO HAD RENDERINGS OF BERMS AND NO BERMS. AND BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, DREW HAD INDICATED, AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN HAS, UM, PLANS FOR SIDEWALK BUILD OUT, UM, IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD.
THE PROVISION OF THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THIS BOARD, UH, EVALUATE WHETHER SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED.
IT DOESN'T MANDATE THAT YOU PUT IN SIDEWALKS OR ISSUE A WAIVER, OTHERWISE IT SAYS YOU JUST INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT YOU, UM, WANT THEM.
BUT DREW SAID, LOOK, IT'S IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR THE TOWN SUPERVISOR, UM, ALSO FEELS THIS WAY AND HE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH US AND KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT, WHAT THE SITE CHALLENGES ARE AND UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM AND THAT HE WAS GONNA COORDINATE WITH YOU ALL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HE DID SUBMIT A LETTER, UM, AFTER THAT MEETING TO THE BOARD, WE RECEIVED A COPY AS WELL INDICATING HIS PREFERENCE FOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, DID EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD GET THAT LETTER? UH, WE, IT'S HERE IN HARD COPY HERE IN HARD.
BUT NO, I JUST READ IT RIGHT NOW.
SO AT THAT MEETING WITH SUPERVISOR HOPE, WE JUST RAN THROUGH PROJECT DESIGN, WE TALKED ABOUT SOUTH PARK.
UM, HE ABSOLUTELY INDICATED THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ON SOUTH PARK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN.
UM, PART OF THE LONGER TERM PLAN, ESPECIALLY, UM, IN CONNECTION TO HILBERT AS WELL.
SO WHAT TONIGHT WE ARE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING THE SIDEWALK ON SOUTH PARK IF THE BOARD WANTS THE TREES TO BE RETAINED.
AND JUST, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE HEALTH OF SOME OF THOSE TREES, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S CONCERN WITH THE VISIBILITY OF THOSE TREES AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE RECOGNIZABLE ON THE SITE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK INWARDS ON THE SITE, UM, TO RETAIN THE TREES IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS ALONG SOUTH PARK.
SOS IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
UM, SO WE STILL HAVE A FEW CHALLENGES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, UH, WITH THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.
BUT REALLY CHRIS CAN GET INTO THIS.
UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT JUST A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE IN TERMS OF CONNECTING TO OTHER SIDEWALKS THERE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO THE EAST, UM, TO CONNECT TO.
SO THE, THE INITIAL CONCERN KIND OF HAS TO DO WITH NOT A LOT OF ADDED UTILITY WITH HAVING SIDEWALK THERE.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DITCH BEFORE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF WE WERE TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN ALONG SOLES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT REMOVING THE BERMS, WHICH I KNOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN, UM, INDICATED, POTENTIALLY HAS AN APPETITE FOR THAT.
UH, BUT IF WE'RE REMOVING THE BERMS AND THEN MOVING THE SIDEWALK BACK BEHIND THE DITCH, WE'RE NOW BRINGING THE SIDEWALK FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, WHERE OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE.
I THINK CHRIS IS AT ABOUT 25 FEET.
IF IF WE, IF WE TOOK THE BURNS OUT, YEAH, YEAH.
IF WE TOOK THE BURNS OUT AND WE KEPT THE EXISTING TREES ALONG SOS WE'D BE WITHIN 15 TO 20 FEET OF THE BACK OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH ALL HAVE PATIOS ALONG ALONG THAT FACE.
SO, SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITATIONS, THE CHALLENGES ON THE SITE, WE'D BE BRINGING THE SIDEWALKS.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE INDICATED WE'RE WILLING TO BRING 'EM ON OUR PROPERTY ALONG SOUTH PARK.
WE'D BE BRINGING THEM BACK, BUT THEY'D BE REALLY CLOSE, UM, TO THE EXISTING FACILITIES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHALLENGES COMBINED WITH NOT A SIGNIFICANT ADDED UTILITY FROM THEM.
UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WITH THE HILBERT COMMUNITY, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOUTH PARK, UM, SIDEWALKS ALREADY.
THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UM, THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE AS WELL.
SO I, CHRIS, DID YOU JUST WANNA RUN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT WHAT SIDEWALKS ARE THERE AND THEN WHAT ELSE HAS EXISTED ON, ON THE MAP HANDOUT? THE LINES IN BLUE ARE THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THIS AERIAL PHOTO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NOT A LOT ON SOUTH PARK AND SOLES, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF US.
THE NEXT SIDEWALK ISN'T UNTIL TOWN PLAZA, WHICH IS 1.2 MILES AWAY TO THE WEST,
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UH, THE CLOSEST SIDEWALK TO WHERE IT LEAVES OFF.JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIFT CIRCLES, ANOTHER 1.2 MILES OF SOUTHWESTERN TO THE NORTH, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE, THE OAKS.
UM, AFTER THAT, THE NEXT SIDEWALK ISN'T UNTIL YOU GET TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS, UH, ABOUT HALF A MILE AWAY.
AND ON SEOS GOING EAST, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CIRCLE GOING EAST TO MCKINLEY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS AT ALL.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU LOOK ON THE AERIAL PHOTO, THERE REALLY IS NO DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST.
AND A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ZONE INDUSTRIAL, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHAT, AS KIM HAD MENTIONED, WHAT THE PURPOSE WOULD BE TO EXTEND 'EM DOWN.
SOS GIVEN THAT HILLSBURG COLLEGE COULD GET TO THE SOUTH PARK SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, EITHER BY WALKING UP TO SOUTH PARK THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY OR COMING THROUGH OUR WALKING TRAIL, I OPEN TO BE WHERE, WHERE DOES THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING START? WELL, NOT, NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL, BUT IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE, LIKE THERE'S THE RAILROAD TRACKS, OKAY, BOTH PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES OF RAILROAD TRACKS, I BELIEVE ARE INDUSTRIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, MO MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL ON SOS, YOU KNOW, EAST OF SOUTH PARK IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE BEFORE YOU GET TO FAIRGROUNDS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM US.
SO THOSE PEOPLE WOULDN'T CROSS THE STREET TO GET ON THE SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE TO WALK UP TO SOUTH, TO WALK UP TO SOUTH PARK TO CROSS THE ROAD AGAIN AND GO BACK DOWN AND GET THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES TO NOWHERE ANYWAYS.
I MEAN, YEAH, I'M, I JUST, IT'S STILL SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIDEWALK THAT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I, I MEAN YOU SHOWING A MAP THAT IS OID OF SIDEWALKS, UM, WELL NOT THE, IT'S NOT, SO THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE.
SO WE PREPARED THAT FOR THE SUPERVISOR JUST TO HELP HIM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
NO, IT'S, BUT THE ISSUE IS NOT JUST, I ABSOLUTELY GET WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BUILD A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER SIDE SIDEWALK.
OUR POINT IS JUST THE LACK OF A NEED FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS GOING FROM OUR SITE EAST.
I MEAN THE, THE HUB IS A DESTINATION ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO, IS THAT WHAT'S CALLED THE WESLEY AND CHURCH DOWN, MCKINLEY, WHATEVER, LIKE THAT'S A BIG YOUTH ATTRACTOR THERE, DO LOTS OF EVENTS AND I KNOW THERE'S A CAMP THERE.
I MEAN THERE'S OTHER, YEAH, I THINK
AND AS WE KNOW, SOS IS NOT REAL LIGHT IN THIS LOCATION.
IN FACT, FROM THE END OF THE PAVEMENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE HERE IS ONLY SIX FEET.
I THINK YOU'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TALK TO THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND SAY, THE SIDEWALK ENDS THERE.
I NEED SOMEPLACE TO WALK DOWN TO THE HUB.
LIKE I THINK PROVIDING A SAFE SPACE FOR A PERIOD AND THEN BRINGING THEM TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS A DEMONSTRATED NEED IS NOT AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE SIDEWALKS.
IT'S AN ARGUMENT TO PUT THEM IN THERE.
IF, IF IT, IF IN REALITY THIS WOULD EVER GET COMPLETED.
BUT I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER HIGHER PRIORITY PARTS OF THE TOWN.
I THINK THE SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA BE INSTALLED BEFORE ANY FUNDING IS FRONT AND SOULS ROAD.
BUT WE HAVE A PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT HAS EXTENSIVE FRONTAGE ON SOS ROAD WHERE I THINK THAT THE BENEFIC PRESIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
AND SO THAT'S THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
AND I'M THINKING, YEAH, MAYBE IT'S 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I'M THINKING I WANNA PUT THAT SIDEWALK THERE.
AND WE DO STILL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT PROXIMITY.
SO WE, I, WELL, IF NOBODY'S USING THE SIDEWALK, THERE WON'T BE A CONCERN
SO YEAH, I MEAN JUST YOU GET THE GENERAL IDEA HERE, THE, WHAT THE REAR OF THE FACILITY IS, WHAT THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE BALCONY SPACE WITH THE OUTDOOR SPACE, UM, YOU'D BE PUTTING 'EM A LITTLE BIT ON TOP OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO I MEAN, AGAIN, WE, WE HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE SUPERVISOR'S COMING FROM.
WE AGREE WITH THE TOWN'S GOALS AND BENEFITS OUR PROJECT AS WELL TO HAVE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE'VE DONE IT ON SOUTH PARK.
WE JUST DON'T SEE THE ADDED BENEFIT WITH THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE ON THE SITE AND THE CONCERNS WITH CROSS.
IF, IF IT PIPED THE DITCH AND COVERED IT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MOVE THE SIDEWALKS FARTHER AWAY? UH, SURE WE'D BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM ON WITH THE ROOMS OR WITHOUT BURN, WITHOUT, IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.
WITHOUT, WELL, OF COURSE, RIGHT.
I MEAN ALONG THIS STRETCH, ALONG ALONG THE DITCH STARTS HERE AND GOES, GOES TO HERE.
UM, OF COURSE YOU'D BE ABLE TO PUT 'EM CLOSER, BUT THEY'D STILL BE ON, ON OUR PROPERTY.
BUT IF, IF THE INTENT IS TO GET RID OF THE BERMS AND KEEP THE EXISTING TREES ALONG SOLES, WE HAVE THESE TREES HERE, THE SIDEWALK'S
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STILL GONNA BE ABOUT 30 FEET INTO OUR PROPERTY, WHICH PUTS IT 20 TO 15 TO 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.IF WE GET RID OF ALL THE TREES ALONG SOLES, THE EXISTING TREES, WHICH I THINK ARE BETTER THAN THE TREES ALONG SOUTH PARK, THEN OF COURSE, YES, WE CAN PUSH IT CLOSER.
HOW MANY TREES WOULD YOU HAVE TO REMOVE? OH, ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 60 TO 70.
WHAT IF WE LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE? SO I'VE DONE SOME EXTENSIVE STUDYING OF THE TREES ON SOUTH PARK AND CON CONCUR UPON WHILE THEY ARE FEATURED.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO RECREATE THE ICONIC LOOK OVER TIME WITH THE SIDEWALK.
BUT I THINK PUTTING SOMETHING IN WHERE YOU ARE REPLACING AND IF CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY AND YOUR RESIDENCES ARE THERE, THEN I THINK THAT POTENTIALLY THE WEIGHT OF THE SIDEWALK VALUE WITH AN APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING TREE REPLACEMENT FURTHER IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDINGS.
I'D BE OPEN TO, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THE SIDEWALKS ARE PRIVATE.
TAKE OUT THE, THE EXISTING TREES ON SOLES AND PLANT SOME NEW ONES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK THAT WE COME UP WITH A ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT JUST ON THE SOLE SIDE OR ON THE SOUTH PARK SIDE TOO? RIGHT NOW I'M SUGGESTING ON SOS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
BUT I, I GUESS I, ON SOUTH PARK, WE ALREADY HAVE, WE HAVE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK THERE NOW.
WITH THE TREES STAYING OR WITH THE TREES GOING EITHER WAY, WHICH I DROVE BY THAT ON THE WAY HOME YESTERDAY.
AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY A MAN LIKE STANDING IN THE GRASS AT THE
HE HAD LIKE A WALKER AND I WAS LIKE, OH SIR,
I DID THE SAME THING THE OTHER DAY.
THAT'S THE CASE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, I MEAN, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE AT THOSE BUS STOPS WITH NO SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK BUS STOP.
I HAD THE WHOLE WAY DOWN SITTING AT THE BUS STOP WITH A, A LIKE WALKER.
UM, BUT THOSE TREES, I HAD TO WONDER WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TREES ARE ACTUALLY REACHING THE END OF THEIR NATURAL LIFE.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK IN GREAT SHAPE.
AND AS SOMEONE WHO JUST TOOK A LOT OF FLACK FOR REMOVING A LOT OF TREES AT A SITE AND HAVING TO EXPLAIN THAT THEY'RE END, END OF THEIR NATURAL LIFE, UM, THAT DOES HAPPEN.
OH, DO WE KNOW HOW OLD THOSE TREES ARE? NOT, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME TO ASK YOU EARLIER, WHICH I APOLOGIZE FOR UNTIL I HAD TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PROBABLY, I HAVE ANY, BECAUSE IS THAT IS A COMMON THING THAT I'M STARTING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WE CAN LOOK ON THE, WE CAN LOOK ON THE HISTORIC HERO PHOTOS, SEE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY SHOW UP.
EVENTUALLY THEY BECOME A DANGEROUS CONDITION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING LINE.
BUT I LOVE, I DO LOVE THE WAY THEY LOOK.
SO I THIS 28 YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME HERE, I MEAN, SO THAT WAS SORT OF MY THOUGHT WAS CAN WE, CAN WE EVOKE THE SPIRIT OF THAT BY PLANTING SOMETHING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE FURTHER IN AND NOT HAVE SALT DAMAGE.
AND THEN MY GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE LIKE, LOOK AT THOSE GREAT HISTORIC TREES.
WELL WE ARE, WE ARE, WE DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING THERE, WHICH INCLUDES PINE TREES, A MIX OF PINE TREES AND DECIDUOUS TREES.
AND I GUESS SO THEY ALREADY, WELL THOUGHT THESE DAYS IS YOU DON'T WANNA PLANT ALL IN ONE KIND OF TREES.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS MAPLES THAT ARE 18 ON MY PROPERTY.
BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE A GOOD MIX AND A PRETTY, PRETTY DENSE BUFFER THERE ALONG, ALONG THERE IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TREES.
AND I AGREE THAT THOSE TREES ARE RIGHT, THE STREET AND THE SALT IS PROBABLY PART OF WHAT'S COMING AND AT SOME POINT THAT ROAD WASN'T AS CLOSE AS IT'S TODAY.
SO ON THE SOUTH PARK SIDE, IF THOSE TREES STAYED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AND THE TREES ARE THERE WITH THEIR LIKE RELATIVE LOVELY BEAUTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TOTALLY MANICURED, THEY'RE FUN TO LOOK AT, UM, THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THERE'S LANDSCAPING INSIDE THE SIDEWALK.
SO WHEN THOSE TREES COME DOWN IN THE NEXT PROBABLY 10 TO 20 YEARS, UM, WE'LL JUST STILL HAVE THAT LANDSCAPING ON THE INSIDE.
SO REALLY IT SEEMS LIKE SOUTH PARK IS NOT MUCH OF A DISCUSSION NEEDED BECAUSE THERE WAS ALREADY A SIDEWALK ALREADY.
THE THE ONLY OTHER POINT THAT WE HAD HAD UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE SUPERVISOR WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN'S LONG-TERM GOALS TO LOOK INTO GRANTS AND PROGRAMS TO GET THE SIDEWALK THERE.
AND IF WE ARE RETAINING THE TREES AND MOVING THE SIDEWALK BACK ONTO THE PROPERTY, THEN IT MIGHT NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH A SIDEWALK.
YOU'RE GONNA GET EVENTUALLY DOWN SALT PARK, UM, AT ONE POINT.
BUT LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO RETAIN CONCUR.
IT'S BACK IN AND THAT'S WHY WASN'T, IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT WHEREVER YOU'RE GONNA, THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER DISCUSSION WE HAD OF CONCEPT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE SOULS IS REALLY THE MAJOR.
I THINK WE CAN SAY SOUTH BY TREES.
BUT IS IT SETTLED IN TERMS OF, IS THERE A BUS STOP ON I THINK WE'RE LEAVING, LEAVING TREES.
I THINK THAT WAS LEAVE THE TREES.
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HERE.SO MAP SAYS THERE'S NO BUS STOP ON, SO I DIDN'T SEE ON SOS THERE'S TWO ON SOUTH PARK STREET.
REMOVE THE TREES ON SOLES AND YOU'RE PUT, HOW MANY FEET WOULD IT BE FROM THOSE BUILDINGS NOW ON THE SIDEWALKS IF YOU, SO IF WE GOT RID, WE GOT RID OF THE TREES.
WE WOULD PUT THE SIDEWALK BURN UP AGAINST THE RIGHT OF WAY.
OH, YOU WOULD? SO THAT'S IF WE, IF WE, IF WE PIPED, IF WE PIPED THE DITCH.
SO IT WOULD GIVE ANOTHER BUFFER.
HOW MANY FEET WOULD THE BUFFER FROM THAT HOUSE? NOW YOU'RE SEEING THEY'D BE UP TO EM.
IF WE, IF WE LEFT EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS TODAY, ALL THE TREES AND WE PUT A SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN THOSE TREES AND THE BUILDING.
WE'D BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.
TO THE BUILDING IF WE TOOK THE TREES OUT.
YOU SAID THERE WAS PATIO, THE TREES OUT.
WHAT WOULD, IF YOU TOOK THE TREES OUT, WHAT WOULD YOU GAIN? WE'D GAIN PROBABLY 10 TO 15 FEET.
THE SIDEWALK WOULD STILL BE ON OUR PROPERTY OUTSIDE MM-HMM
SO THEY WANT US TO AUTHORIZE RESOLUTION SO THAT HERE WELL DID YOU GUYS, I SENT YOU THE PART TWO OF THE AF I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE PART TWO, BUT THE PART TWO IDENTIFIED ABOUT NINE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IN ISSUES.
A LOT OF THE ONES WE TALKED ABOUT.
HIGH GROUNDWATER ALWAYS COMES UP.
THIS IS NOT GONNA IMPACT HIGH GROUNDWATER LANDFILL IN, YOU'RE GONNA CONSTRUC FOR ONE YEAR.
SO CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE LONGER EROSION AND DRAINAGE.
I'M SURE AMY'S GONNA SIGN OFF ON ON THAT.
THE WETLANDS ARE ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES ARE NOT BEING IMPACTED BY THIS.
MR. OREGON ARCHEOLOGICAL, THEY'RE WORKING WITH SHIPPO.
DO YOU WANT AN UPDATE ON THAT? YES.
SO, UM, UH, PHASE ONE A AND ONE B WAS DONE FOR THE, FOR MOST OF THE SITE A FEW YEARS AGO, WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN CLEARED.
CHIPO ASKED THAT WE DO IT FOR THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE SITE.
JEREMY DUEL WITH DUAL ARCHEOLOGY FINISHED THAT UP ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
SO HE'S EXPECTING FINALIZED REPORT THIS WEEK AND THEN WE'LL GET THAT INTO CHIPO.
YEAH, I DON'T NEED FINAL SIGN OFF FROM CHIPO.
YOU'LL NEED THAT TO GET SERVICE APPROVAL.
OH, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU ALL OF THOSE.
THEY CAN USE THAT FOR THEIR NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
RIGHT? THERE'S NO HISTORIC WE'RE SUBMITTING, UM, AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS TO AS WELL.
YEAH, WE WANNA WAIT FOR, RIGHT.
THEN THERE'S TRANSPORTATION, WHICH YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE AUTOMOTIVE PART AND THE PEDESTRIAN PART, WHICH WE'VE SPENT THE LAST YES.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ENERGY.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S YOUR ENERGY, THERE'S NO NEW SUBSTATION NEEDED AND YOU'RE GONNA MEET, YOU'RE GONNA MEET THE, THE HIGHEST STANDARDS FOR ENERGY USAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M TALK ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHT AND THE LIGHTS WILL BE SHIELDED, ET CETERA.
UH, NOISE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION RELATED NOISE ONCE IT'S UP AND OPERATING.
THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT'S PRODUCING SIGNIFICANT NOISE, BUT OTHER THAN THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT.
UH, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TREES AND, AND FITTING INTO THE CHARACTER.
SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT I IDENTIFIED.
AND DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO ISSUE A MAG DECK? OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
I THINK WE NEED THE SHIPPO PARTICULARLY ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES BACK.
SO WHEN DOES THAT COME IN? SO WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR SOME FINAL COST INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE THAT ALTERNATES ANALYSIS AND THEN WE'LL SUBMIT IT INTO, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU GUYS AT THE SAME TIME HOPEFULLY, UM, LATER NEXT WEEK.
SO THAT WILL BE A TIME FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UM, DO WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO ON THE SIDEWALKS ON SABLES? THAT'S I'M PRO SIDEWALKS ON SOULS.
I'M PRETTY SURE I'M SET PRO SIDEWALK.
OKAY, THAT'S TWO I'M AND SORRY TEAM BE PRO SIDEWALK ON SOS.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONFIGURATION QUESTIONS TO GO.
UH, DOUG, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL
JUST, I'M NOT GONNA STAND ON MY SOAP BOX.
I'LL JUST SAY THE CONFIGURATION QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT STILL.
SO CAN WE RUN THROUGH THE IS NOT AN EASY, PERFECT SCENARIO.
SO IS THERE ANYONE STILL IN FAVOR? DO WE NEED THE BERM, I GUESS IS THE FIRST QUESTION, RIGHT? ARE WE PUTTING THE BERM IN WITH SIDEWALKS? NO.
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NO.I THINK WE NEED, WE DON'T, IT'S A REVERSE FRONTAGE.
YOU NEED, YOU NEED SOMETHING TO BREAK UP ABOUT IT.
BUT NOW THE BUILDINGS AREN'T BAD NECESSARILY.
WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS LOOK THE BACKSIDE, IT'S STILL THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN STILL PUT THE SAME LANDSCAPING THAT WE PROPOSED ON THE BURN.
SO SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SO LANDSCAPING THEN BETWEEN WHICH IS RIGHT.
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THAT SHOWS.
THAT DOESN'T TURN LIKE ANYTHING.
YEAH, OURS IS MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL EXPERT NOW THERE'S 400 TREES.
SO WE'VE GOT MAJORITY THIS IS SIDEWALKS AND THEN CONFIGURATION.
THERE'S THE PIPING, THE DITCH CONFIGURATION OR THERE IS THE SIDEWALKS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING CONFIGURATION.
DO WE HAVE
THERE'S REMOVE THE EXISTING TREES AND SHIFTED IT SHIFTED REQUIRES IF, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE SIDEWALK ROAD, RIGHT? YES.
NO BERMS. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE GET RID OF THE EXISTING TREES.
YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING TREES.
I, YES, I JUST, NOTHING SPECIAL RIGHT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT.
THERE IS EXISTING TREES AND PUT THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT EXISTING DITCH TO REMAIN.
AND THE DITCH WOULD BE BETWEEN THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THE SIDEWALK BE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD.
CAN WE PUT, SO THE BERMS WERE SEGMENTED RATHER THAN CONTINUOUS SINCE WE'RE REMOVING THE BERMS, CAN YOU FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS WITH ADDITIONAL TREES TO MAKE IT LIKE A CONTINUOUS ROW? WELL WE HAD, WE HAD A DECIDUOUS TREE LIKE BETWEEN EACH BERM.
I THINK WE WOULD KEEP THAT MAYBE CAN REEVALUATE THE FLOW I GUESS IS WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.
YEAH, AND WE DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, WELL WHILE WE WANT PRIVACY, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE WHAT, WHAT WOULD END UP HAPPENING HERE WHERE YOU GET A CRAZY AMOUNT OF TREES AND THEN 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD YOU END UP HAVE TO CUT THAT FROM DOWN BECAUSE YOU AND I WILL BE RETIRED.
THEN I ALSO IN THE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, THE TREES ARE LIKE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE TAKING BUILDING, THEY'RE LIKE IN THESE PEOPLE'S, UM, PATIOS.
NOT, ALRIGHT, SO, SO THREE OPTIONS.
THERE'S THE CLOSE TO THE BUILDING OPTION, THERE'S THE PIPING OF THE DITCH OPTION AND THEN THERE'S GETTING RID OF THE TREE OPTION.
AND HOW MANY TREES DID YOU JUST SAY YOU'RE INSTALLING ON SITE? 502.
AND THEN THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NEW INSTALLS NOT SAVES.
SO WE STILL HAVE 502 NEW, WHICH IS A LOT OF GRAY AREAS.
AND THEN YOU'LL BE LOSING, YOU SAID WHAT? MAYBE 50 ISH ALONG THE SOLE SCRUMMAGE RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
BUT, BUT THEN AGAIN THAT, THAT'S JUST COUNTING 'EM OFF OF HERE.
THAT DOESN'T COUNT THE QUALITY OF THE TREES.
I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE, A COUPLE DECEASED LIKELY TROS OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, BECAUSE ON THE SURVEY THEY PICKED UP ALL THE TREES, BUT IT WON'T NECESSARILY SAY PIPE OR HOW HEALTHY THEY'RE HOW BIG ARE THE TREES THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING? UH, A MINIMUM CALPER SIZE THAT, UH, NORMAL LIKE A SHADE.
THEN THERE'S DEVELOPMENTAL TREES THAT ARE A SMALLER CALPER TOWN CODE IS A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER FOR ALL TREES.
AND FOR EVERGREENS, A SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT TREE TALL.
ARE THERE ANY GOING IN? YEAH, THERE'S A OVER A HUNDRED, 500 TOO.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS 20 QUESTIONS TO GET AN IDEA.
GO BY THE PROJECT THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON SOUTH PARK.
GET AN IDEA WHAT LANDSCAPE FIRMS WERE LOOKING LIKE.
SO I MEAN THEY, AT THE BEGINNING THEY DON'T LOOK, IT IS AT FULL BUILD OUT.
I MEAN ONCE THEY GROW INTO LITTLE BETTER THEY'LL BE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY TREES, LONG SOLES ARE A LITTLE BIGGER RIGHT NOW.
IF NOT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT OUT AND PLANT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SIX FOOT TREES.
AND TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER TREES.
SO WHAT, WHAT PROJECT ARE YOU? WHAT'S THAT? THE OAKS, THE ONE DOWN BY THE SCHOOL.
OAK SIDEWALK, RIGHT? THE FRONT'S NOT, NO.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THEME AND THE SISTERS WHO MOVED OUT OF THIS CONVENT MOVED ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY DID OUT FRONT.
THEY WERE REALLY COOL WITH WHAT THEY DID.
BROADWAY PROJECT IS OUTTA THAT FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET.
SO DO WE HAVE A STRONG OPINION ANYONE ON WHICH OF THE THREE CONFIGURATIONS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO? I, I LOOK AT YOU
UM, ALTHOUGH CANDIDATE LAWYER, THE LAWYERS ON THE RULES OF SIDEWALKS.
SO YEAH, THERE IS THAT IT IS EVALUATED.
APPARENTLY WE ALL NEED TO GO DO SOME RESEARCH.
I PERSONALLY AM FINE WITH THE, WHAT
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SOUNDS LIKE THE MOST REASONABLE OPTION OF DITCH SIDEWALK TREES AND LOSING THE EXISTING TREES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S SUCH A HUGE HIT.THE, THE DITCH ALSO PROVIDES SOME AMOUNT OF PROTECTION FROM THE, SINCE THIS ISN'T A REAL WIDE ROAD.
FROM THE PEDESTRIAN THAT WOULD BE ON THAT SIDEWALK FROM THE TRAFFIC SOMEONE.
IT'S ALSO A BUFFER BETWEEN THE ROAD SALT AND THE I'LL PIG BACK ON MINE.
SO THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT SAY DITCH SIDEWALK.
JEFF, ARE YOU COOL WITH DITCH SIDEWALK? I'M DOWN WITH THAT, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S THE CONFIGURATION.
SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR SINAT AND CO, UH, FOR OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THIS MEETING.
AND THE SOONER YOU CAN GET US A LANDSCAPING PLAN, I'M JUST GONNA CONFIRM WITH THE TAB THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIES SWAPS THAT THEY WANNA MAKE ON LEAVE ONE
OH, AND YOUR MOST RECENT SUBMISSION HAS THE, THE COVENT GARDENS, THE, THE SIGNAGE, RIGHT? THE ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH? MM-HMM
I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IF THEY HAVE ANY SPECIES SWAPS.
ALL S SO A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
SO I CAN SEE YOU ON SEPTEMBER 7TH.
BUT I, IT'S, I THINK THERE'S LIKE, IT'S EIGHT, MAYBE OAK ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR SOME REASON.
YOU GUYS ON THE PART TWO, IF THERE'S AT, WE VOTE ON THE NEXT TIME.
SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? SEPTEMBER 7TH.
I'LL KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT ONE.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES.
SO A MOTION BY MR. SHAW TO ADJOURN.