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AND SARAH ASKED ME TO KEEP AN EYE OUT.
SO WE GOT TWO ITEMS ON TODAY'S WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM IS RAY MEYERS REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 5 1 5 0 ABBOTT ROAD.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE ON THIS ONE? NO.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT ANY BIG ISSUES ON THIS ONE.
I THINK EVEN TAKING THE ONE LOT MAKE IT INTO TWO LOTS.
ONE OF 'EM SMALL, BUT EVEN THE SMALLER
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ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT HAVE TO GET ANY VARIANCES.SCHEDULE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE WE HAVE
SO DO WE HAVE A, SO WE HAVE A FULL, DO WE NEED A PAF FORM? DO SURE FOR ME? YEAH.
DO WE HAVE IT? UM, IT'S IN THE FILE.
WAS IT ON THE, I DUNNO IF IT WAS ON THE TOWN'S, UH, WEBSITE OR NOT.
I GOT THE PLA ON THE, WE'LL NEED A SHORT FORM ALL SUBDIVISIONS, NO MATTER HOW SMALL, TWO LOTS REQUIRE SEEKER.
THERE'S NO TYPE TWO ACTION FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SEEKER.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO A COORDINATED REVIEW FOR TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A, WHAT WE CALL A MINOR SUBDIVISION, PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND IF THERE ARE NO EASEMENTS OR OTHER THINGS REQUIRED, WE'LL WAIVE THE, THE, THE, THE FINAL PLAT.
WE HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY AT ALL? THERE'S ONE EXISTING.
THERE'S ONE EXISTING ONE, BUT THE ONE THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE PROPOSED, PROPOSED HOUSE ON CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT, SO THE PROPOSED HOUSE WOULD GO IN THE NEW LOT.
THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD GO IN THE OLD ONE.
UM, JOSH IS GOING OUT TO THIS CAR TO GET THE MEMO.
I THINK THIS IS A VACANT PART.
SO THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT AND SARAH SAYS WE HAVE THE EAF.
SO WE HAVE THE FULL APPLICATION THEN.
WELL, WE HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, SHORT FORM EAF AND A AND AN APPLICATION FORM.
NOT A LOT REQUIRED FOR CONFIRMS FULL, FULL APPLICATION.
AND SO I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT SCHEDULE PUBLIC HERE.
WHAT ABOUT AUTHORIZATIONS? WAIT, I GUESS WE PREPARE THE AUTHORIZATION.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO, BUT IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T COME IN THE NEXT TIME, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OH YEAH.
ALSO, SOMETHING COULD COME IN PUBLICLY BECAUSE MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS THERE ANYTHING CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR SUBDIVISION? SARAH DID SEND IT TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD SO THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO HELP US WITH THE SECRET DECISION.
THEY HAVE A MEETING BEFORE OUR WHAT ABOUT THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON RAY MEYERS FOR SEPTEMBER 21ST.
AND IF THE CONSULTANTS WANNA BRING RESOLUTIONS TO THAT MEETING, WE WON'T COMPLAIN.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, WHICH SHE IS REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 1 5 1 LAKESHORE ROAD.
NOW WE RECENTLY APPROVED A DIFFERENT ADDITION THAT WAS ACTUALLY BIGGER, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT ONE NOW.
IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS ONE'S SMALLER THAN THE LAST.
IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE GOT THE POOL FOR THE INTERNET WITH THE ROOFTOP TERRACE AND ALL THAT GOT RECONSIDERED.
UM, BUDGET DIDN'T WORK AND ARE BAD IN THAT REGARD.
SO HE'S LOOKED AT SOMETHING ELSE.
THE FOOTPRINT IS PROBABLY COVERING A LITTLE MORE ASPHALT THAN THE LAST ONE BY ABOUT 50 SQUARE FEET.
THE PARKING NUMBERS STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.
THE SEATING NUMBERS STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.
UM, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT HE THINKS.
HOW DO YOU THE CARS IF IF THERE'S LESS ASPHALT? WELL, WE, AND THE PARKING NUMBER WITH WHAT WE GOT APPROVED LAST TIME IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THIS, BUT WE'RE PUTTING LESS BODIES IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE'RE TAKING OFF ON THE LEFT SIDE, FIVE REALLY SHORT PARKING SPOTS.
THAT THEY'RE LIKE SUBCOMPACT ON TWICE AS LONG AS THE TABLE.
IT'S JUST I'LL, WE'RE GONNA NEED TACO BELL NEXT.
SO WE JUST KIND OF LAID IT OUT.
ONE STORY WE STILL MAINTAIN ALREADY THERE NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO IS THIS STILL GONNA HAVE A SO SINGLE STORY, NO ROOFTOP DECK? CORRECT.
UH, A YEAR AGO WE LOST THESE PARKING SPACES, BUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE GONNA ACCOMMODATE
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HERE DEALT WITH THAT PLUS A TWO STORY ROOF DECK.NOT DOING THAT, IT WAS DOING A SINGLE STORY, STILL TAKING AWAY THE SAME PARKING SPACES AND MAINTAINING EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE SAME, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY AHEAD IN THE PARKING BASED ON WHAT? DOWN THE, WHAT? SEATING ON? NO, THE SEATING, THE CURRENT SEATING ON THE ROOF TO THE OTHER SIDE STILL.
BUT THEY WERE GONNA ADD MORE STAIRS COMING.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
IT'S JUST ALL IN ALL IS ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE COST.
SO SOME OF THESE CARBON SPACES ARE GRANDFATHERED IN, IN THE ROAD EASEMENT.
HE WAS GIVEN A 17 FOOT USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR A YEAH, BUT THERE'S SOME OF 'EM THAT KEEP GOING.
SOME PEOPLE PARK RANDOMLY HERE.
THIS IS WHAT HE'S GOT THAT 17.
SO THESE, BUT WHAT ARE THESE? ARE WE COUNTING THESE SPACES? NO, I'M NOT.
YOU HAVE NOT COUNTED ANY OF THE ONES THAT ARE FROM ANYTHING WITHIN HIS PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE COMPLETE SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS FOR THIS NEW PLAN.
I'M HERE FOR I, I BELIEVE, UH, CONCEPT THIS WE'RE GO AHEAD.
IF THERE, WELL WE DID DO THE SHORT OR THE EAF, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS HERE.
SO I WAS TOLD TO COME TO THE WORK SESSION, SO, RIGHT.
SO WE DID DO THE F IS THERE PARK OR IS THERE SIDEWALKS ANYWHERE IN, FROM US? JUST AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
SO WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY DOING, THIS PARTICULAR ADDITION IS ALLOWING FOR PRIVATE PARTIES TO USE A BACK DOOR ENGINE.
IT'S, AND OFFLOAD THE PRESSURE ON THE FRONT DOOR.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT IT KIND OF BRINGS A WHOLE NEW FUNCTION TO WHAT HE CAN DO.
UHHUH BE ON THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE FACING IT FROM.
AND IT, IT MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR HIS BUSYNESS.
I BELIEVE, AND AGAIN, SARAH'S LISTENING IN, BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
WE CAN REFERENCE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A SMALLER PROJECT THAT SEEKER'S BEEN COMPLETED ALREADY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF YOU GET ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, BUT WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR THIS SIZE BUILDING.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN ALREADY APPROVING IT, WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK HERE.
AND ALSO BECAUSE, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE TO MOVE IT ALONG.
I BELIEVE I LOOKED IN THE FILE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR SITE PLAN, YOU HAVE YOUR SHORT FORM EAF, WHICH IS THE SAME AS BEFORE, EXCEPT THE NUMBERS CHANGED ALL THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SHARING THIS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING AND ALL THAT.
WE'VE GOT THREE BIDDERS READY TO GET STARTED.
I MEAN, I MEAN THE ONLY FEEDBACK I WOULD HAVE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PROJECT IN FRONT OF US, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET RID OF SOME OF THIS PARKING THAT'S BASICALLY IN THE ROAD SHOULDER, YOU CAN CHANGE THE STRIPING.
JUST REMOVE THE STRIPING IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
PEOPLE ARE TO PARK THERE ANYWAY.
THE 17 FEET THAT IS PUT THERE THAT IT WAS AGREED UPON, UH, A WHILE AGO WAS BECAUSE THAT LEFT A 66 FOOT TYPICAL ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
THAT 17 FEET LEFT THAT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THE 66 FOOT REMAINING PARKING AT ANYWAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IF EVEN IF I TOOK 'EM AWAY, IT MIGHT GET, ACTUALLY GET MORE CARS PARKED IN THERE, PARKING A LITTLE MORE RANDOM PUT IN LIKE A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING.
WOULD THAT BE A CHANGE IN, WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING.
THIS IS WHAT WE APPROVED LAST TIME.
RIGHT? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
OR JUST FRESH EYES, FRESH LENS.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO TO IMPROVE THE ROAD FRONTAGE ON THE SALE.
WELL IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT.
I MEAN, JUST PUT IT OUT THERE FOR, TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, MAKE A TREND OF IS IS THERE SOMETHING I NEVER YEAH, IT KIND OF SPRAWLS IT, IT DOES SPRAWL.
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO
FRANCIS USES IT FOR WHATEVER EVENTS THEY HAVE TOO.
AND IT IS KINDA RANDOM AND PEOPLE MAKE GOOD USE OF, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT AWAY RIGHT NOW.
SO WHO OWNS THE CELL? THAT TOWN? ROAD COUNTY ROAD.
BUT WE HAD TO TOWN MUST HAVE YOU MUST HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
SO WE ONLY DID THAT TO KIND OF ALLOW IT TO KIND OF CLEAN UP SO THAT IT DIDN'T BECOME AN ISSUE OVER TIME.
UM, ALL THE UTILITIES THAT FEED THE SALE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 17 FEET.
HE COULD OVER TIME MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO IT.
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ORGANIZATION LETS PEOPLE DO.I THINK THE MORE HE TRIES TO ADDRESS IT, HE'S ALSO STILL LETTING THE TOWN HAVE RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO IT.
SO HE DOESN'T WANNA DO TOO MUCH AND CAUSE DIFFICULTY.
UH, I DO THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE HANDLES HIS PARKING THAT HE HAS IN THE BACK.
IT REALLY DOESN'T DEAL WITH ANYTHING THAT THE SALE OFFERS HIM AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST HAVING LIKE COME IN TRYING TO GET BACK OUT EITHER ON THE ROUTE FIVE IN HERE CAN BE, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, THE SALES WASN'T AN ISSUE, BUT RIGHT.
AND, BUT IF WE TAKE AWAY PARKING SPACES, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP THAT PROBLEM.
I MEAN, LET'S, WE CAN, WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT.
WE CAN CONFER TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.
IF SOMEBODY CAN COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT.
IT'S NOT, WE SHOULDN'T JUST SLAM THE DOOR ON IT.
BUT, UM, IT MIGHT BE A BIGGER ISSUE THAN THIS ADDITION IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
AND IF YOU WOULD TAKE QUITE A WHILE TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT.
ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
BUT THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO DEAL WITH, WITH ISSUES LIKE THIS WHEN PROJECTS COME BEFORE US.
AND SO IF THERE IS A, AN INTELLIGENT WAY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PULL THE MEETING MINUTES FROM BACK IN 2020 WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND WHY DID WE APPROVE THIS THIS WAY? I'M SURE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT THAT WE DID APPROVE A PROJECT.
THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IT IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REDUCE THE WAY THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE NOT DOING TWO STORES ANYMORE RIGHT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY ADDING LESS PEOPLE.
WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THIS ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULE.
WE DO PUBLIC HEARING, TRY AND SCHEDULE FOR OCTOBER 5TH.
IF WE COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS, WE'LL PITCH 'EM AS PART OF THAT, THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE GOTTA MAKE A COMMITMENT NOT TO DO IS NOT NOT GET TO THE END AND BE LIKE, OH WAIT, I HAD THIS OTHER IDEA CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT WAS THE, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WON'T DO TO YOU.
IF WE, IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT SOMETHING, WE'LL WE'LL BRING IT UP AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AND IF WE CAN'T AND JAY IS A BUSINESS OWNER THAT WOULD, WOULD DO ANYTHING TO TRY TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE ANYWAY.
AND, AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE ON THAT STREET WOULD, IT'S YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY A DIFFICULT THING.
IT'S CONCERNING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT GETTING RID OF THAT PARKING SOLVES ANY PROBLEMS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE JUST THROWING SOME LANDSCAPING UP WHERE THOSE SPOTS ARE.
BUT I, I GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH ENGINEERING AND EVERYBODY AND, AND UTILITY COMPANIES THAT ARE NEAR THAT SAYING, I CAN'T HAVE OBSTRUCTIONS THERE.
YOU KNOW? WELL, NO, I, I DON'T THINK OBSTRUCTIONS IS GONNA HELP.
SO WHERE IS SNOW STORES WHEN THEY PLOW THE PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW IN HIS 17 FEET.
SO I MEAN IT, IT IT'S A EXACTLY.
A LOT OF WATERFRONT SPOTS ARE LIKE THAT.
THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YEAH.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE'S ANY TO THIS, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO, RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE LUCIA'S FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 5TH.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIFTH.
SO WE GOT 15 MINUTES BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
IF ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THE TACO BELL PROJECT, THEY ARE ASKED TO BE TABLED.
SO YOU DIDN'T SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER HALF AN HOUR, BUT THEY ASKED TO BE TABLED.
THEY SAID THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT THE, THE TACO BELL HAD A QUESTION ON THE DESIGN.
WE HAVE TO AMEND THE MINUTES THEN.
SHE HAD EXCUSE LAST MEETING, BUT THEN SHE HAS BE MAKING A MOTION.
WELL, WE, WE SENSED YOU IN THE UNIVERSE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, DENNIS GOT A DOG NO.
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AND THE GUY YES, THERE'S THE AGENDA THERE.THEY'RE WHAT? ANYBODY? I DUNNO.
I I SOMETIMES YOU AND, UH, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES I'M GONNA KEEP SHORTS IN MY, UH, MY CAR SO I DON'T, SO SEAN HOPKINS OPPOSITE.
ALL LIKE SO EMBARRA, I'M NEVER GONNA WEAR YOU.
I'LL THE SHORTER VERSION STORY.
YOU DID SECOND ON THOSE MINUTES.
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WELL LET HER KNOW THAT I MISSED, I ASKED FOR YEAH.WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW THESE CHANGES TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE I WASN'T PLANNING ON READ THING
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AND I JUST, I GOT THIS TIRADE OF STUFF THAT I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT CAME FROM QUICK ENOUGH.THE NEXT HOURS, IT'S GONNA BE HARD.
CAN'T EVEN GET AWAY FROM SENIOR AND A FRESHMAN.
OH, WHICH YOU KNOW, WHICH NO, IT'S NOT TOWN HALL.
EVERYONE PLEASE WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING AT THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FOR BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
THEY HAVE ASKED TO BE TABLED SO THEY WON'T BE HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO LOCKWOOD'S GREENHOUSE AND FARM LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW 3,780 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND 604 FEET SQUARE FOOT CONNECTOR BUILDING AT 4 4 8 CLARK STREET.
WE ALREADY DID A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF SEEKER WHEN IT CAME TO SITE PLAN.
WE WERE THREE THREE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO REQUIRE SIDEWALKS, BUT MR. CHAPMAN WAS NOT HERE AT THAT MEETING AND I UNDERSTAND HE'S WILLING TO BREAK OUR DEADLOCK.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
THE BUILDING THAT HE HE'S PUTTING UP IS WAY IN THE BACK OF THE LOT, SO I DON'T REALLY THINK, UH, THERE'S A NEED FOR SIDEWALKS.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S FOUR PEOPLE THAT DID THINK WE NEEDED SIDEWALKS THERE.
SO WE'LL DO A RESOLUTION FOR SITE PLAN WITHOUT SIDEWALKS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT CORRECT? RIGHT HERE? DO YOU WANNA READ THAT ONE? SURE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES? THE THREE CONDITIONS ARE, UH, CONTINGENT ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LETTER DATED JULY 29TH.
IS THAT THE CORRECT DATE, KIM? YEP.
THAT LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF CLARK STREET.
IT PROBABLY RESEMBLES PREVIOUS LETTERS, BUT, OKAY.
CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2022.
ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF CLARK STREET.
I WOULD VOTE THE SIDEWALK TIME, BUT MOTION CARRIED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP PLANNING BOARD TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP TO REZONE VACANT LAND NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO R TWO AND PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP, POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND VEHICLE STORAGE AREA AND A PARK.
THANK MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, WE WOULD ASK, UH, TO BE RESCHEDULED NUMBER SIX IF WE COULD BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SEAN HOPKINS TO ARRIVE AT TIME REPRESENTATIVE PROJECT.
I GOT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
WELL, DO WE WANNA LET MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE HERE TO TAKE INPUT? WHY DON'T WE TAKE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN MR. ROCKET, WE CAN PAUSE AND COME BACK, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE THE PUBLIC WAIT.
YOU'VE GOT UH, LIKE A BOARD? YES, WE DO.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME WITH THE PARK THAT PROBABLY PEOPLE WOULD WANNA SEE WHEN THE COMMENT SETTING UP.
YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS? SURE.
'CAUSE THIS IS NOT SIMPLE, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE RIGHT.
UM, THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATIONS OF THE TOWN BOARD UNDER TOWN LAW.
IT HAS TO BE REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR INPUT THE APPLICANT AS YOU, AS SOME OF YOU HEAR THAT BEEN BEFORE THIS PROJECT BEFORE MADE AN APPLICATION PREVIOUSLY TO REZONE THIS SITE TO SEEK TWO.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE TOLD 'EM IS THAT THE CURRENT LAW OF THE TOWN DOES NOT ALLOW, UH, USE UH, CAR DEALERSHIPS IN A C TWO ZONE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
IT'S ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT ONLY CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN.
SO WE BASICALLY TOLD 'EM YOU RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT.
SAID WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING CHANGING THE LAW.
UH, THEY APPEARED AS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, THEY APPEAR BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD THAT YOU'RE NOT A DECISION MAKER ON THIS.
THE TOWN BOARD MET WITH THE APPLICANT, HEARD THE, YOU KNOW, HEARD DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND WHATEVER THE TOWN BOARD AGREED WITH.
YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE LAW AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IF THEY DID A PUD AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN THAT THEY MAY CONSIDER REZONING THIS.
OBVIOUSLY THEY REFERRED IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS NEW APPLICATION, WHICH IS FOR
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PUD.FOR THE PUD, THE PLAN REPRESENTS THE ZONING OF THE SITE.
IF WE RE IF THE TOWN WAS THE REZONE, THIS OF THE PUD, THE PLAN ITSELF IS THE ZONING OF THE SITE WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT.
SO THAT'S THE PER, THAT'S WHAT A PUD IS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF RE ZONE C TWO, THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WE COULD DO.
AT LEAST IT WOULD BECOME SOME CONTROL OVER THIS IF THE TOWN BOARD DECIDES AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
BUT AT LEAST WE'D HAVE MORE CONTROL OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
WE'RE BACK AT THE PLANNING BOARD.
THEN YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING A POD, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ZONING, THE, THAT PLAN WOULD BE THE ZONING OF THE SITE THAT OVERRULE THE ORDINANCE THAT NO CAR DEALERSHIP CAN GO OFF OF CAMP? YES, IT WOULD.
BECAUSE ZONING, IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL THEN THEY CAN GO IN AND PUT A CAR DEALER SHIP THERE WITH NOTHING ELSE.
THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA DECIDE ULTIMATELY NO MATTER WHAT.
IF WE, IF WE SAY WE DON'T LIKE IT, THE TOWN BOARD CAN VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.
IF WE, IF WE RECOMMEND THE CHANGE, THE TOWN BOARD CAN, CAN NOT DO THE CHANGE.
UH, AND THE TOWN BOARD ALSO IS GONNA HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
OH NO, I, I GOT SOME REAL CONCERNS ON THIS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, ARE KIND OF, THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR LARGE REZONING REQUESTS.
THE PLANNING BOARD LIKES TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND IT'S A SHAME SOMETIMES THAT WE DO OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THEN THEY GO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IT'S BEEN YOUR UH, ACTION ON THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT SCHEDULE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING.
SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR AND THEN LIKE I SAID DENNIS, YOU GUYS HAVE TO PUT, THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT, YOU CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL OF IT.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART I ALWAYS SAY IS GIVE A REPORT.
IT SAYS YOU MUST GIVE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD ON YOUR REASONING FOR EITHER DENIAL OR APPROVAL.
SO THEY WANT YOUR INPUT, YOU'RE GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION SO THEY CAN TRY TO MAKE A LOGICAL DECISION ON THIS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SEAN IF HE'S READY.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF PLANNING BOARD SEAN HOPKINS IN THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS.
SERGIO MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WEST.
HER ALSO WITH ME IS ANDY G FROM NUSS PALMER AND CLARK.
UM, AS IT WAS INDICATED IN THE INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU LAST ON THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY IN FEBRUARY.
AND AT THAT POINT WHAT WE WERE ASKING YOU TO DO IS CONSIDER AMENDING THE PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT STATES THERE'S A GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTION ON WHERE MOTOR SERVICE USES AND ALL MOTOR SERVICE USES CAN BE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SPECIFICALLY THAT RELEVANT SEGMENT OF CAMP ROAD.
BASED ON SOME SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN BOARD, INCLUDING THE WORK SESSION THAT WE ATTENDED, WE CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT STRATEGY.
AND THAT STRATEGY IS RATHER THAN GETTING TO THAT MUCH BIGGER ISSUE ABOUT WHERE CAR DEALERSHIP SHOULD BE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS INSTEAD TO SIMPLY SEEK PUD ZONING FOR OUR SITE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON SOUTHWESTERN FOR AN EXISTING AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP TO ALLOW IT ON THIS SITE ONLY.
SO TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. CHAPMAN'S COMMENTS, IF THE TOWN BOARD AFTER HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION APPROVES THE REZONING, THE ALLOWED USE ON THIS SITE WOULD BE A NEW AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
WE DID MAKE AN UPDATED PROJECT SUBMISSION TO LATE LAST WEEK AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'VE CHANGED.
NUMBER ONE, WE'VE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE THREE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED CURB CUTS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
WHILE WE KNOW DOT HAS NOT YET FORMALLY COMMENTED ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE SITE, GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STAGE, WE REALIZE THAT DOT HAS A VERY MANDATORY POLICY IN TERMS OF LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS ONTO SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
SO WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND MADE THAT CHANGE.
WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND KNOW IF YOU WANNA SHOW IT REAL QUICK.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, RIGHT? OH THERE IT IS.
SO WE'RE SHOWING EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE, INCLUDING EMPHASIS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE THAT 50 FOOT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE BUFFER ALONG SHELDON ROAD.
WE'VE INDICATED IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO IMPOSE A CONDITION STATING THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED.
I DO WANNA NOTE, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF SHELDON.
I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF THEM MAY BE HERE.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE LOCATIONS WITHIN THAT 50 FEET OF PER OPEN SPACE WHERE THE LANDSCAPING'S KIND OF SPARSE.
I THINK FOR THE MOST PART IT'S DECIDUOUS PLANTINGS.
SO WE HAVE AGREED THAT WE WOULD MEET WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THEIR PARTICULAR VIEW SHED AND SUPPLEMENT THAT LANDSCAPING AS NEEDED.
I'M THINKING PROBABLY, UM, PLANTING SOME EVERGREEN TREES.
WE'VE ALSO INDICATED WE'D BE WILLING TO INSTALL A FENCE, A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE INSIDE EDGE OF THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
THE BENEFIT OF THAT WOULD BE ESPECIALLY DURING WINTER MONTHS, HEADLIGHTS WOULD NOT SHINE THROUGH.
WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN AND AS YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 4TH, JIM ULCA FROM WEST HER INDICATED.
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HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTALL LED LIGHTING, DARK SKY COMPLIANT, FULLY HOODED AND SHIELDED.BUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS WE HAVE IS WE CAN ACTUALLY INSTALL THAT SO IT'S ON MORE THAN ONE SYSTEM MEANING, BUT FOR SECURITY LIGHTING AFTER A SPECIFIED HOUR, WE CAN TURN THE LIGHTING OFF ON THE SITE.
UH, CLEARLY WE DON'T WANNA HAVE LIGHTING SPILL OVER INTO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SHOWS ZERO FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, WE'VE RETAINED THE SERVICES OF SRF ASSOCIATES TO REPAIR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
THEY WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL SCHOOL RETURNED TO SESSION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY OCCURRED YESTERDAY.
SO THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY COMING AND THAT GETS COMPLETED.
AND THE OTHER BIG CHANGE COMPARED TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU EARLIER IN THE YEAR AND LATE LAST YEAR IS BASED ON INPUT WE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP ABOUT ONE ONE OF THE SEVEN ACRES ON THIS SITE AS A PASSIVE PARK.
THAT PASSIVE PARK IS CURRENTLY SHOWING A WALKING AREA, SOME INTERNAL SIDEWALKS, SOME LANDSCAPING.
I WANNA MAKE CLEAR 'CAUSE A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS HAVE ASKED ME THIS QUESTION.
IT'S NOT MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE SOCCER, LIGHTING, RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND THE LAYOUT WE'RE SHOWING ON THAT IS SIMPLY A CONCEPT.
WE WOULD WELCOME INPUT FROM THIS BOARD AND THE CALIBER ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE LAYOUT OF THAT ONE ACRE PARK.
WE ALSO HAVE THAT STREET CURRENTLY ARGYLE, THAT BISECTS HERE, A PORTION OF SITE ARGYLE PARKWAY THAT IS A PAPER STREET THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS NEVER BEEN INSTALLED.
SO WE ARE ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO ABANDON THAT PAPER STREET AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ACCEPT THE CONDITION THAT THERE COULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO CURB CUTS ONTO SHELDON ROAD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE BACK ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE ADDED SIDEWALKS SO WE CAN PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS FROM BOTH SITES ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO WE THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF PROGRESS AS WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THIS PROJECT.
WHILE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO DO SO TONIGHT WE ARE, WE'LL BE ASKING THE U ISSUE, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REQUESTED REZONING TO PUD TO THE TOWN BOARD.
OF COURSE ANDY AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, SO, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.
THE MICROPHONES ARE VERY SENSITIVE.
SO PEOPLE TALKING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE IS GONNA ACTUALLY MESS UP OUR RECORDING.
SO PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, I I, I HEAR A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND IT'S REALLY GOING HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON A RECORDING.
YEAH, SEAN, I'M WHERE THE PARK IS.
WHAT ELSE IS GONNA BE ON, ON THAT SECTION THERE? SO WE ARE ALSO SHOWING A VEHICLE STORAGE AREA OVER THERE AND THERE COULD BE AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
WELL YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A LOT WITH CAR STORAGE WITHOUT A BUILDING.
SO YOU HAVE TO, WELL REMEMBER IN P UUD WE CAN'T, PUD DOESN'T, THE USE IS ESTABLISHED BY THE CODE.
THAT SHOULD YOU HIT THE PUD RIGHT NOW, THE, ON THE OTHER END.
UH, WHAT DOES THAT YOU, YOU HAD ON THE, ON THE FIND A POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I MEAN, I THINK ALL WOULD BE, WOULD BE A VEHICLE SERVICE BUILDING FOR THE SITE.
MEANING FOR WEST HER VEHICLES.
SO THEN BASICALLY THIS IS JUST FOR A DEALERSHIP, BUT WE'RE GONNA YES.
CLASSIFY IT AS A PUD SO THEY CAN BUILD IT ON SOUTHWESTERN RATHER ON CAMP ROAD.
THERE'S NO PROPOSAL TO BUILD A NEW DEALERSHIP ON CAMP ROAD.
WELL HAVE, HAVE THEY LOOKED AT THE SOUTH SHORE? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY A PUD.
SOUTH SHORE IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
HOW ABOUT THE OLD, UH, NEXT TO THE THROUGHWAY THERE WHERE TARGET WAS GONNA GO AND THEY BACKED OUT? NO, THEY'VE NOT TALKED TO THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BUT THEY HAVE LOOKED ALONG THAT RELEVANT SEGMENT OF CAMP ROAD AND THERE WAS NOTHING READILY AVAILABLE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A SIX ACRE CAR DEALERSHIP.
SO THE WHOLE SITE IS SIX ACRES.
WE GOT ONE ACRE THAT'S A PARK.
SO IT'D BE SIX ACRES DEVOTED TO THE CAR DEALERSHIP.
AND THEN IS IT ONE ACRE? YEAH.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO, OBVIOUSLY THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IS NOT BEING DEVELOPED AS WELL AND IT'S A PRETTY BIG STRETCH WHILE IT'S 50 FEET WIDE.
IT'S THAT ENTIRE SHELDON ROAD FRONTAGE.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT WOULD BE JUST TO SCREEN? YEAH.
OKAY, SO NOT A PARK IN ANY WAY? NO.
'CAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE, THE LIGHTING.
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SO THERE'S A PROJECT WE WORKED ON THAT'S IN RELATIVELY CLOSE PROXIMATE TO THE UB NORTH CAMPUS.
AND WE'VE AGREED TO A SIMILAR LIGHTING CONDITION WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S WORKED OUT QUITE EFFECTIVELY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'D BE AMENABLE
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IF WE WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY SEE HOW THEY DO IT TO SET UP A SURE.AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHERS WE CAN GET THE NAMES FOR IT.
SO YEAH, WE COULD MAKE THOSE
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION? THERE IS ONE OTHER THING I WANNA KNOW.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS UH, AN ACTION PURSUANT TO SEEKER.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID SUBMIT IS WE DID SUBMIT A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SUMMARY LETTER AS WELL.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE GET TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE REZONING, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, A SWIFT ENGINEERS REPORT, ET CETERA.
WELL THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE THE AGENCY ON SECRET, RIGHT? YES.
SO I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR DREW, THE PUD IS THE ZONE.
HOW MUCH ABILITY, IF THIS WERE TO PROCEED AND BE APPROVED, DO WE HAVE AT THAT TIME TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO LANDSCAPING LAYOUT REFINEMENT OR DOES THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN NOW BECAUSE IT IS A PUD? UM, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, IN APPROVING A PUD YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT SHOWS ALLOWABLE USES.
I'VE SEEN PUD SIMPLY WITH ALLOWABLE USES.
I'VE SEEN PUDS WITH ALLOWABLE USES OF A PLAN.
YOUR LAW TOWN HAM LAW REQUIRES A PLAN.
YOU CAN ALSO PLACE OTHER CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY ON THAT REZONING.
A PUD CAN INCLUDE A LOT OF OTHER CONDITIONS, REASONABLE CONDITIONS TO SAY THAT THESE ARE TO PROTECT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
INSTEAD SAYS THIS IS A UNIQUE PUD.
WE'RE USED TO SEEING PUDS THAT ARE MIXTURES OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THIS WAS SOMETHING CREATED TO SAY IF THERE'S A WAY THE TOWN IS NOT WILLING TO CHANGE THEIR LAW TO ALLOW, REMEMBER AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS ARE ALLOWED IN THE C TWO ZONE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT LAW SAYS THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ONE BEING THEY HAVE TO BE IN THESE LOCATIONS.
SO THE TOWN DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE THAT.
THEY SAID OKAY, WHAT'S THE ONLY OTHER WAY IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, WOULD BE TO DO A PUD.
THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS, AND IT'S NOT ADOPTED YET, THAT THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD SHOULD BE LOOKED AT NEW ZONING FOR IT.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE LONG TERM NEEDS.
MOST OF THE STRETCHES ZONE C ONE.
AND THERE'S A MIXTURE OF USES ALL ALONG IT.
SO THE IDEA WAS THAT, WELL THIS WOULD BE NEW ZONING.
IT'S NOT A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT COULD IT BE ACCOMPLISHED? THE TOWN BOARD WASN'T COMPLETELY SOLD ON THIS.
THEY JUST SAID, HEY, THIS IS WORTH ENTERTAINING TO SEEING IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT POTENTIALLY REZONING THIS PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, THEY SENT IT TO YOU TO DO A LOT OF THAT WORK.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS, IS THIS THE TIME? AT WHICH POINT THE PLANNING BOARD, IF WE WANTED TO NOT ENGINEERING, WE WANTED TO SHIFT THE BUILDING A HUNDRED FEET TO THE EAST AND CHANGE THE LANDSCAPING OR REORIENT THE PARKING.
NOW YOU CAN DO THAT HERE IF YOU THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ENOUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU, BUT I MEAN WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THIS PLAN AS THE PUD, WE COULDN'T DO THAT LATER ON.
IF YOU THINK IT'S A STRONG ENOUGH THING THAT SAY YOU WOULD ONLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, IF THEY THINK OF SOMETHING, MOVE THE BUILDING SO FAR AWAY OR DO A BIGGER OPEN SPACE AREA, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
AND THAT WOULD BE, IF THAT WAS INCLUDED THE REZONING, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE SITE PLAN WITH THOSE CONDITIONS PLACED ON.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
NOT AS LONG AS A WHOLESALE CHANGE AS PART OF A SITE PLAN.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THIS TIME.
SO WE CAN FOCUS ON THE BROADER RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE STAGE.
MEANING IF WE COME BACK FOR IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CA HAS SPECIFIC COMMENTS RELATIVE TO CERTAIN LANDSCAPING ORDERS, OF COURSE I THINK THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
IF YOU WANTED TO IMPACT, I'M SURE THE CONDITIONS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE AREA, THE PARK AND WHATEVER.
THOSE WOULD BE A CONDITION OF THE TOWN.
OR IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, YOU SHOULD PUT IN THE REPORT AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T THINK THIS OPEN SPACE AREA IS BIG ENOUGH OR WE THINK THE PARK SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR WHATEVER.
MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION DOES THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE LATER.
THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A CONDITION THAT THOSE USES AND THOSE SIZE OF USES BE IN THESE LOCATIONS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN BE, THEY SHOULD BE MADE NOW.
BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THERE CAN BE NO CHANGES AT A LATER POINT IN A PROCESS.
WE CAN'T STILL, THIS IS A YEAH.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT PROCESS.
SO IS THE, SO HOW'S THE PARK WORK? IS A POLK PARK MAINTAINED BY WESTER? YES.
YEAH, SO IT'D BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP IT PASSIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS DESIGNING TO PUT A LARGE PARKING LOT AND ENCOURAGE A LOT OF ACTIVITY FROM OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.
SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT? HOW DO YOU RESTRICT USES? I THINK WE RESTRICT IT BY JUST NOT PUTTING MUCH THERE IN TERMS OF AMENITIES.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A SEPARATE PARKING AREA AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY TYPES OF FIELDS OR LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A NICE AREA TO WALK TO THIS LOCATION.
WALK BE BENCHES AND YEAH, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
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COURSE.WHICH I THINK THAT'S PASSIVE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY PROPOSE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WALK TO THIS PARK.
SEE WHO WOULD LIVE ALONG BACK THERE.
THERE IS SOME SHOULDERS I THINK YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT, ACTUALLY CONTINUE THAT AND HAVE A WALKABLE AREA.
WOULD THERE BE WALKABLE AREA ON SHELDON? DO YOU WANNA SHOW WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE ON SHE YEAH, YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE, UH, THE SOUTH LINE OF SHELDON ROAD AS WELL AS ALONG THE, UH, THE WEST SIDE OR EAST SIDE OF UH, TON PARKWAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE INTER CONNECTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PARK AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT, EXACTLY.
UH, JOHN IS OF COURSE SAFETY OF TRAFFIC.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY YET.
I MEAN CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT NOW? SO CLOSE TO THE STADIUM AND EVERYTHING, THERE'S GONNA BE AN IMPACT.
WELL I CAN SAY, I CAN SAY IF YOU'VE BEEN TO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND ESPECIALLY NOT ONLY DURING COVID-19, BUT COMING OUTTA COVID-19, THEY DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
AND GENERALLY THAT TRAFFIC'S NOT DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
MEANING IT'S GENERALLY NOT DURING THE AM PEAK HOUR OR THE PM PEAK HOUR.
THE ACTUAL PEAK HOUR FOR AN AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP IS ON SATURDAYS.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH DO SERVICE.
THE SERVICE WILL GENERATE SOME VEHICLES.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT'S WHERE THE SITE IS, IS NEAR THE BILLS STADIUM.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAMP ROAD.
YOU, YOU WOULD BE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF CAR DEALERS AND THEY'RE BEING USED.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT RIGHT.
THAT, I'LL MAKE THIS ON THE RECORD AND I DON'T KNOW IS LIKE TO HEAR IT, WHEN YOU HAVE A BILLS GAME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRACK OUT THERE MATTER WITH ADDITION.
WITH ADDITION WITH OR WITHOUT THIS REGARD WITH, WITH AN ADDITION TRAFFIC.
SO I COULD SAY THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW.
I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY TRACK ENGINEERS DON'T LOOK AT SUNDAYS, BUT GIVEN WHERE THE SITE IS, GOOD POINT TO MAKE SURE THEY ADDRESS SUNDAYS.
SHOULD WE OPEN IT UP UNLESS THERE'S OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE GOT SOME COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP? ALRIGHT, SO IT'S AN INFORMATION SESSION.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL NOTICE, UH, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WESTERN PROJECT.
CAN YOU COME UP AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE RECORD? SIR MICROPHONE IS LOCATED ON THIS TABLE, SO ANYBODY WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT ASK THEM UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MICROPHONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, LET LET HIM READ THE NOTICE BEFORE YOU START.
FORMALITY, BUT I LIKE TO READ OUT LOUD.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION REGARDING A PROPOSAL BY WESTFORD REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF BROMPTON PARKWAY, C ONE TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN.
I RESIDE AT 46 98 BROMPTON DRIVE, UH, HERE IN HAMBURG.
UH, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO, UH, REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WHO I, I BELIEVE WHO WAS THE TOWN ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ARE USED TO SEEING MIXED USE PROJECTS THAT ARE REZONED OF PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IT'S BASICALLY A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE LAW.
A CAR DEALERSHIP IS NOT A PLANNING OF DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU'LL I'LL READ WHAT THE INTENT OF PLANNING DEVELOPMENT IS AS PER SECTION TWO 80 DASH 1 44 OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE.
IT'S THE INTENT OF A PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED USE IN SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE TOWN.
INNOVATE, INNOVATIVE DESIGN AND CREATIVE MIXES OF USES ARE ENCOURAGED TO, UH, OFFER POTENTIAL FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN PROVIDE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, AND JOBS AND SERVICES BASED BASIS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE HAMBURG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE ARE NO PRESCRIBED, UH, NO PRESCRIBED COMBINATIONS OF USES, UH, OR SPECIFIC QUANTITIES, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
IT WILL REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HOW THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE NEEDS OF ITS CITIZENS BUSINESS COMMUNITY WITHOUT HARMING THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
IT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM MEETS THAT INTENT.
IF THIS IS A APPROVED AS A PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT, THIS MAY WELL BE MEANINGLESS.
THERE'S NO COLORABLE ARGUMENT THAT THIS CAR DEALERSHIP AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH CAR DEALERSHIPS.
THE CAR DEALERSHIP SHOULD BE A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO CONTINUE, AS IT MENTIONED, THE, THE HAMBURG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND AS IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, TOWN OF HAMBURG IS CURRENTLY REDOING ITS, UH,
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.THE DRAFT PROPOSAL OF THAT PLAN STATES THAT THIS AREA, BIG TREE IN GENERALLY THIS PORTION OF SOUTHWESTERN IS GONNA BE PART, PART OF THE STADIUM IMPACT AREA AS THE NEW STADIUM'S BUILT.
GONNA BE MORE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER END STADIUM, HOPEFULLY NEW BUSINESSES, NEW DEVELOPMENT CALLS FOR THE TOWN, HAMBURG TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD TO WORK WITH ORCHARD PARK, DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOK AT CREATIVE USES, LOOK AT WAYS TO SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A PRIME PARCEL IN THAT STADIUM IMPACT AREA.
IF WE WERE TO REZONE THIS TO A PERMIT, A CAR DEALERSHIP, YOU'VE IMMEDIATELY TAKEN OUT A QUIVER OF POTENTIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COOPERATION, PROBABLY THE PRIME, YOU KNOW, GREEN PARCEL IN THAT AREA.
AND IT'S NOW A CAR DEALERSHIP.
AGAIN, NOTHING AGAINST CAR DEALERSHIPS, BUT IT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM SHOULD BE A PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT, NOR DOES IT SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUSTAINABILITY OR ANYTHING ELSE MENTIONED IN, UH, THE INTENT OF THE PLANNING OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, I'M A NEIGHBOR THERE.
UM, I STARTED, YOU KNOW, A LOW EFFORT ONLINE PETITION, UH, VIA CHANGE.ORG.
UH, RECEIVED 142 ONLINE SIGNATURES OF PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, QUITE FR YOU KNOW, THERE IS A VERY SOLID RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, SOUTHWESTERN AND MCKINLEY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT SECTION OF THE, UH, OF THE TOWN IS A PERFECT CANDIDATE FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE A HOTEL, RESTAURANT, UH, CAFE, WHAT HAVE YOU.
I MEAN, THE TOWN HAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PIGGYBACK FROM THE, UH, CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT FROM THE STADIUM, FROM MCKINLEY FROM WHAT'S ALREADY IN SOUTHWESTERN TO DEVELOP THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SPECIAL.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF CAR DEALERSHIPS AND NOTHING AGAINST CAR DEALERSHIPS.
UH, SO I'LL, I'LL CLOSE THERE.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE PLANNING BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT STATUTE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIRES OF, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, CURRENTLY DRAFTED, UH, TOWN OF HAMBURG COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE UH, TOWN BOARD, UH, NOT PERMIT THIS, UH, REZONING TO A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH WHICH IS WHOLLY AGAINST OUTSIDE OF THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE TOWN CODE.
I OWNED, UH, FIRST BIKES AT SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UH, PEOPLE PROBABLY ARE NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO UTILITIES ON SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD THERE.
THERE'S NO SEWER, THERE'S NO WATER, THERE'S NO GAS.
WHEN I BUILT, I HAD TO BRING IN THE SEWER FROM SHELTER ROAD THROUGH MY PROPERTY.
I HAD TO PAY FOR THE EIGHT, EIGHT INCH WATERLINE.
'CAUSE ALL THERE IS IS A 36 INCH TRUNK DOWN SOUTHWESTERN.
WHEN YOU GET THAT EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT EIGHT INCH WATERLINE, WHICH I PAID FOR 800 FOOT OF FRONTAGE AND TWO S STILL GET LIKE EIGHT POUNDS OF PRESSURE COMING IN BECAUSE IT'S COMING OFF A BIG TRUCK HAD TO PUT A PUPPET.
SO THERE'S NO UTILITIES ALONG SOUTHWESTERN, I'VE BEEN WAITING 27 YEARS.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NO UTILITIES, NO SEWER, NO WATER, NO GAS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, YOU APPROVED THE DOLLAR GENERAL TO GO NEXT TO ME.
YOU APPROVED THE, FOR THEM TO HAVE A, A PROPANE TANK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE GAS.
YOU APPROVED FOR THEM TO PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM IN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO PUT PAINT THAT OH, THEY DO.
AND, AND SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHEN I BUILT THE TOWN REQUIRED ME TO PUT THE SEWER IN SO THAT IF SOMEONE ALONG SOUTHWESTERN WANTED IT, THEY'D HAVE TO COME TO ME.
NO ONE IN THE, IN THE UM, PLANNING BOARD HERE OR ANYTHING DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THEY GAVE ME APPROVAL TO PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM IN.
SO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO UTILITIES, THAT'S THAT SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS NO UTILITIES.
SO I THINK, I THINK THE USED CAR THING OR WHATEVER IT IS, COULD BE GREAT BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GOING TO DEVELOP IN 27 YEARS.
WELL HOW DO THOSE HOUSES, HOW DO THEY GET THEIR ELECTRIC? THE HOUSES ON THE HOUSES ON SOUTHWESTERN? THEY, THEY HAVE WHERE ON SOUTHWESTERN? NO, NOT THERE TOWN, TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK.
AT THE ORCHARD PARK TOWN LINE.
THEY HAVE SEWER, WATER, AND GAS.
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THE DENTIST, WHEN THE DENTIST BUILT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, THAT'S THE END OF THE SEWER LINE.THAT SEWER LINE FROM ORCHARD PARK CUTS THROUGH THERE, COMES OUT TO SHELDON ROAD.
HE GOT A SPECIAL PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO TAP IN FOR THE SEWER THERE.
AND HE EXTENDED THE WATER LINE FROM ORCHARD PARK UP THAT LITTLE BIT.
SO HE GOT WATER AND GAS AND SEWER.
BUT, BUT ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHEN I DID IT, I HAD, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS, I HAD TO GO PUT THE SEWER IN AND I HAD TO PUT THE SEWER IN BY THE TOWNS CODE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE AND ADD TO IT.
WHERE IF SOMEBODY WAS GONNA DEVELOP, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET SEWERS FOR ME.
WHICH, WHICH DOLLAR GENERAL DIDN'T, DIDN'T HAPPEN.
DOLLAR GENERAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN WE MOVE ON TO, TO THIS, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, PLEASE.
SO MY THING IS I THINK IT'S A GREAT, GREAT IDEA.
IT, IT WILL IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THE WAY IT'S AT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A DESIRABLE PROPERTY AS FAR AS PEOPLE TO DEVELOP.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
I OWN THE PROPERTY BE BEHIND US TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EAST SIDE PROPERTY.
NO ONE'S EVER CONTACTED ME ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THERE IS A UH, STREAM THERE THAT'S BEEN CUT OFF BY THE ROAD THAT'S UH, LIKE AT LEAST AN ACRE OF WETLAND AND THAT ISN'T MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON THIS.
AND WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE WITH THAT? HOW THEY'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT OR HOW IT'S GONNA DRAIN AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT'S GONNA WHAT, HOW THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA AFFECT MY PROPERTY.
JUST COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4 7 7 3 BROMPTON DRIVE.
UM, WE'VE LIVED THERE JUST SHORT OF FIVE YEARS AND WE MOVED WHEN WE MOVED UP TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE CHOSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HOMES, THE QUALITY OF THE FAMILIES AROUND THE KIDS THAT COULD PLAY THE SCHOOL DOWN THE STREET.
IT HAD A LOT OF NICE RESIDENTIAL BENEFITS.
NOW I BOUGHT A CAR PROBABLY OVER 10, 12 CARS OF WEST DIFFERENT WESTFORD DEALERSHIPS IN MY LIFETIME IN 72.
UM, THEY'RE GOOD CAR DEALERSHIPS.
BUT THE ISSUE HERE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL A PUD OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S STILL A CAR DEALERSHIP.
DO YOU REALLY WANNA STICK THAT SIZE OF A CAR DEALERSHIP INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? THE PEOPLE ON BROIN, THE PEOPLE ON CONNORS WAY, THE PEOPLE ON SHELDON WILL ALL BE IMPACTED BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE UNDOUBTEDLY MORE TRAFFIC.
THERE'S GONNA BE A CURB CUT AS I SAW OFF OF BROMPTON, WHICH IS GONNA BRING MORE TRAFFIC THERE.
ESPECIALLY AS THE KIDS ARE BEING DROPPED OFF OF GOING DOWN SHELDON, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STADIUM'S GOING TO PRODUCE IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC BEING CLOSER.
THERE'S LIGHTING THERE NOW FOR THE TOYOTA DEALER.
IT KEEPS THE SKYLIGHT ALL NIGHT.
SO THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH LIGHTING.
THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CAR DEALERSHIP.
DO YOU REALLY WANT IT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY OF ALL THOSE FAMILIES WHO HAVE INVESTED IN ARE MAINTAINING THOSE PROPERTIES AND PAYING YOUR TAXES HERE IN THE TOWN OF HAMPER? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA.
I SUBMITTED A LETTER LAST TIME WAS BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M COMPUTER ILLITERATE AND COULDN'T FIND IT.
BUT IT'S UM, IT SHOULD BE IN THE RECORD SOMEWHERE.
UM, I WOULD ASK YOU TO UH, FIND A NEGATIVE, FIND NEGATIVELY FOR THIS AND SEND IT BACK.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BEAUTIFY IT, IT'S STILL A CAR DEALERSHIP.
THERE'S AN OLD SAYING DOWN IN THE COUNTRY YOU PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IT'S STILL A PIG SO IT'S STILL A CAR DEALERSHIP.
DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT? AND I DO HOPE TO BUY MORE CARS IN WEST.
SHE, MY WIFE LEASES UP IN MID MARCH, BUT IF NOT, THERE'S ALL THEIR SUPER DEALERS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANYBODY ELSE? SENATOR COMMENTS ON THE WEST? HER PROJECT?
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ALRIGHT, BEING NO MORE COMMENTS ON WEST HER, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.UH, BEFORE WE DECIDE WHAT TO DO NEXT, I GOT A QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER, IT'LL DEPEND ON WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND DO.
IS THERE ANYTHING PRESENTED ON THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD MAKE US WANT TO CHANGE? WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WAS IN FRONT OF US EARLIER THIS YEAR.
I WASN'T HERE WHEN WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE FILED WITH THE LAST, I THINK THE SIDE BILL WERE BOTH NOT THERE.
I THINK WE SHOULD PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
ALRIGHT THEN REMEMBER IT WASN'T ZONING.
IT WAS ASKING, IT WAS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
RIGHT? SO, SO DENNIS THINKS IT'S THE SAME, SAME RESULT.
YOU THINK IT'S DIFFERENT BE THE SAME.
THE POINT IS THOUGH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION LAST TIME WAS JUST NOT TO CHANGE THE CODE.
I MEAN, I THINK WELL, YEAH, WE RIGHT.
I CAN WORD RIGHT? I MEAN I'M JUST SAYING EXPAND UPON IT I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BEFORE IT WAS JUST NOT TO CHANGE THE CODE.
I MEAN I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE RECOMMEND OR NOT, I THINK THAT THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC SET OF FEEDBACK ON THE CONCERNS.
RELATIVE TO THE REQUEST FOR THE PUD IN THE PLAINTIFF'S DEVELOPMENT.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT ULTIMATELY IS THE SAME DECISION, I THINK WE NEED SOME MORE BACKUP ON THE RECORD FOR WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ANYBODY LOOK AT THE LETTER FROM THE COUNTY BOARD? YEAH.
CAN YOU READ IT? OH, NO, THANK YOU.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE, I THINK I AGREE WITH CAITLIN THAT WE NEED TO DIG INTO THE PARTICULAR AREAS OF WHY.
YEAH, I MEAN I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT I STAND BY THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS ABOUT A CHANGE IN THE CODE AND THAT WAS NOT ABOUT A, A LAYOUT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME EXPLANATION AND THEN THAT'S BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN BOARD TO FIND A, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF REBUTTAL RESPONSE, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO REACT TO, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT AND THEN ESPECI FROM ARD GETTING MIXED MESSAGES.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS WHETHER WE WANNA JUST SAY OUR RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T CHANGE LAST TIME OR IF WE WANNA DO MORE THAN THAT.
WELL I, I, I KNOW WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
I'M STILL ASKING THAT QUESTION AND I'M ASKING IT OF EVERYBODY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WELL I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME QUESTION.
DON'T THIS THE QUESTION LAST TIME.
YES, BUT IT, SO I DON'T NO, I THINK THAT THE, THE QUESTION IS, YOUR QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE.
WILL THE RECOMMENDATION CHANGE? BUT I THINK THE BASIS FOR WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT ONE.
WELL IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE BASIS, SO THEN WE THEN WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE BASIS, RIGHT? UH, SO THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE YES.
WELL THEY PRESENTING A DIFFERENT PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARK IS COMPLETELY NEW.
WELL, WHETHER THEY PUT A PARK IN OR NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE MY AGREED.
IT'S A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND WHERE PEOPLE GO SIT ON A BENCH AND YOU SO THAT THEY CAN GET A CAR DEALER.
I MEAN, TO CUT, TO CUT THROUGH.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THE TOWN BOARD ASK US TO ADD, RIGHT? IT'S THE TOWN BOARD ASKED AND, AND THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO GET THIS BACK TO, TO LOOK AT IT.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO TONIGHT, IF WE WERE OKAY WITH IT, IS JUST SAY, OUR RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE WAY THEY DID THE PROCESS.
BUT IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE, THEN WE CAN ADD MORE.
SO I, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ASKED US LAST TIME.
LAST TIME THEY DID NOT ASK US TO RIGHT.
SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE PROJECT.
SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY OUR ANSWER HASN'T CHANGED BECAUSE BEFORE THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT A CHANGE TO THE ZONING LAW.
WITHOUT ANY LANGUAGE THAT'S SUPPORTED.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS SO THERE ARE NOW ASKING US ABOUT A DIFFERENT ZONING CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE PHILOSOPHICALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT FITS INTO COMMUNITY CHARACTER OR THE INTENT OF PUT, BUT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT POINTS THAT NEED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE AN OPINION FOR THE RECORD AND BACK UP THE ANSWER TO THE SPECIFIC PROCEEDING.
SO YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION OF A ONE ACRE PARK, YOU KNOW, A ONE ACRE PASSIVE PARK
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DOES NOT, DOES NOT STRIKE, DOES NOT STRIKE ME AS FITTING WITHIN THE INTENT OF PUBLICSO DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND NOW WITH THIS, THIS PLAN.
AND WE'RE HERE WELCOMING INPUT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, WE WELCOME YOUR INPUT SAYING, HEY, THIS IS THE FINAL PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ONLY C FOR THE MOST PART.
WHAT, WHAT CAN GO IN THERE RIGHT NOW? A HOTEL, RETAIL SALES, EATING AND DINING ESTABLISHMENTS GARDEN.
SO WITH A BIKE, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND SOMEONE COMES IN WITH C ONE, IT MAY NOT BE SOMEONE LIKE WEST HER, THIS FOR AN OPEN SPACE IS NOT REQUIRED.
IT CAN EASILY BE SOMETHING THAT GENERATES WAY MORE TRAFFIC EASILY.
BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER, I MEAN THERE'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PASSIVE.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THE USE OF A PUD FOR A SINGLE ZONE.
AND THE INTENT OF A PUD IS FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
WHETHER OR NOT ADDING A PASSIVE PARK MAKES IT NOT MIXED USE.
THE PUT CODE ACTUALLY SAYS THERE ARE NO PRESCRIBED COMBINATIONS OF USES OR SPECIFIC QUANTITIES OR ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
AND THAT DECISION'S LY HAVE MADE.
THAT DECISION'S AN ULTIMATE HAVE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN ATTORNEYS HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE CODE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEY'LL LOOK AT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
UM, WE CAN IF WE WANT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO, SO WE, THE WAY I WANT TO FRAME THIS CHOICE IS WE CAN EITHER SAY RIGHT NOW, SEND IT BACK TO THE TOWN TONIGHT, OR WE CAN SAY, COME BACK AND WE WANT TO DO MORE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE WANNA REWRITE WHAT WE SEND IN TOWN DO.
HOW LONG ARE WE GONNA GO ON? I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE, WELL THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED POS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I THERE'S NO WAY, EVEN WHEN AN EARTHQUAKE, I'M GONNA CHANGE MY MIND.
IT DOES NOT BUILD THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TOO.
LIKE, LIKE THE ONE GUY SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BILLS AND WHY ARE WE, I MEAN, TO ME THIS IS AN END AROUND FOR THEM TO GET A CAR DEALERSHIP.
RIGHT? AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA BE PART OF THAT.
WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE THE BILLS HAVE BEEN NOT QUESTION.
NO, YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT IT'S GOING WELL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE GOTTA ANSWER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, SO HOW ABOUT WE JUST DO A ROLL? WHO WANTS TO SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD TONIGHT? PUT NEGATIVE OR, OR HOW ABOUT, WE'LL, I'LL DO IT THE OTHER WAY FIRST.
WHO THINKS WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO WRITE A DIFFERENT MEMO? TO SEND IT THE TOWN BOARD? BOB, SEND THE TOWN BOARD TONIGHT OR DO MORE MORE TONIGHT.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL, BACKUP AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALRIGHT, DOUG, I'D TAKE MORE TIME.
I AGREE WITH, UH, THOSE FOLKS OF US WHO WANNA PROVIDE MORE BASIS FOR WHY WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AT THE
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S A TIE AND IT BEING THAT IT'S A TIE, WE CAN'T MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA MAKE THE CHANGE, SO, SO WE'LL TABLE THIS TO, UH, OCTOBER 5TH AND I TO WORK ON A DRAFT.
I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH SARAH IN THE INTERIM AND PEOPLE SEND STUFF TO SARAH.
SARAH AND I CAN WORK TOGETHER AND PUT TOGETHER FEEDBACK.
SO IF YOU HAVE IT, SEND IT TO SARAH OR BRING THAT HARD COPY TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN COMPILE THAT.
I, I HAVE A DRAFT REPORT FOR YOU.
I PUT IT IN THIS FORMAT THAT YOU'VE DONE IT ALL.
YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR, YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT IT.
BUT I HAVE A FORMAT, RIGHT? I'LL SEND IT TO YOU ALL, YOU ALL CAN FILL IN THOSE THINGS.
AGAIN, YOU BASICALLY SAY WHAT THE REQUEST IS, WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS, WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS, WHAT THE LAW SAYS, AND THEN YOU BUILD YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I I THINK BILL WAS TRYING TO DO IT.
I I UNDERSTAND NOW, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS YOU'RE NOT GONNA AMEND THE CODE BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK A CAR DEALERSHIP IS SUITABLE FOR THIS AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S IT, I THINK WHAT CAITLIN, EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING IS THAT MAYBE BUILD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT, THAT THE ISSUE IS THE PUD THAT THIS, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO BILL TO PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THE APPLICANT? WELL, TO FINALIZE THAT REPORT.
JUST TO SAY THAT WE HAD A RESIDENT WHO RAISED A DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT, I DUNNO, POTENTIAL DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT WASN'T DEALT WITH.
WELL, THE COUNTY TALKS ABOUT THE WETLANDS, WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS RIGHT.
SO WE GOT WETLANDS, WE GOT DRAINAGE.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE UTILITIES.
I DO WANNA CONFIRM, REALIZE THAT DOLLAR GENERAL HAD TO PUT A PROPANE TANK IN.
I DIDN'T, BUT I SEPTIC SYSTEM, THAT WAS NEVER SHOWN ON THE, I THINK SEPTIC.
CAN I LET ANDY ADDRESS THE QUESTION?
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WEST OF SHELDON, WE DO HAVE SANER AND WATER.WE DO HAVE SANER AND WATER WEST OF SHELDON ROAD.
YOU WOULD'VE TO EXTEND SEWER WATER? NO, WE HAVE SHELDON, THIS IS THE DETAILED, BUT SANITARY SEWER AND WATER RUNS RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR DEALERSHIP ALONG ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO YOU COMPLETED A WETLAND? DELINEATIONS? YES.
I'M ASSUMING IT WAS OR MENTIONED IT WAS, YEAH.
AND THERE ARE NO WETLANDS DOCUMENTED ON THE YES.
WHERE WE POST, THERE'S A WETLANDS APPROXIMATELY HERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE LINE.
WE SHOWED IT ON THE PREVIOUS POINT.
DON'T HAVE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
CAN YOU? THERE'S NO JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YES, THERE IS NO JURISDICTIONAL.
WE SO THE ACREAGE OF THAT WETLAND IS THREE ACRES, APPROXIMATELY ACRES.
AND YOU JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION FOR THE THREE ACRES OF WETLANDS.
SO WHAT WAS THE MITIGATION PLAN FOR THREE ACRES? 12.
IT WOULD BE THE PURCHASE OF, UH, WETLAND CREDITS FOR DUCKS UNLIMITED OR SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROBABLY TWO TO ONE RATIO.
AND AS YOU KNOW, CAITLIN, THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR PREFERENCE NOW IS PURCHASING CREDITS RATHER THAN MITIGATION.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE WESTERN AUTOMOTIVE GROUP, PUD, TO OCTOBER 5TH FOR, UH, DISCUSSION OF A MEMO TO SEND TO THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR YEP, YOU TOO.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO REDEVELOP THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER IMM CONCEPTION CONVENT INTO MULTIFAMILY AND CAESAR SENIOR HOUSING AT 4 2 7 2 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
READY? ARE YOU READY?
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT AGAIN AS MENTIONED ON THE SYN OBJECT COMPANY COMPANY GARDENS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO HILBERT.
WE GOT, WE GOT A VERY SENSITIVE MIC HERE AND THESE ARE GONNA BE THE MINUTES THAT'LL GO ON RECORD.
IF YOU WANNA TALK, GO OUT IN THE HALL OR GO OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, JUST SO MUCH BETTER THAN ME.
JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 125 UNITS OF SENIOR HOUSING AND 136 UNITS OF MARKET RATE, ALONG WITH APPROXIMATELY 68,000 SQUARE FEET OF RECREATION SPACE.
SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED BASED ON THIS BOARD'S INPUT.
WE ORIGINALLY FILED THIS APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UM, BACK IN MARCH.
WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD SINCE THEN, RECEIVING YOUR INPUT ON THE PLAN AND HAVE UPDATED THE PLAN A COUPLE TIMES.
SO THE MOST RECENT VERSION INCORPORATING ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WAS SUBMITTED ON AUGUST 30TH.
IMPORTANTLY, THE MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENT IS THE UPDATES ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO JUST TO REFRESH OUR MEMORY ON THAT, WE HAVE RELOCATED THE SOUTH, THE SOUTH PARK SIDEWALK TO BE TO THE EAST OF THE TREES.
SO WE CAN PRESERVE THOSE TREES COMING ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND WE WILL PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES.
AND THEN WE HAVE ADDED A SIDEWALK ALONG SLES ROAD.
SO THAT'S BASED ON THE BOARD'S FEEDBACK FROM LAST TIME.
IT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE PLAN ALONG WITH THE PRIOR CHANGES SUCH AS THE ADDITION OF THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, UM, THAT'S ON THERE AS WELL.
AND THE REMOVAL OF THE BERMS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT MOST RECENT SUBMISSION.
SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, UM, REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION AND SHE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN HAVE.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE AGREED TO DO SINATRA'S AGREED TO DO SIDEWALKS ON BOTH FRONT, CORRECT? YEP.
AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO MAINTAIN THE TREES BY PULLING THE SIDEWALK ON SOUTH PARK, PARK AND PRIVATE PROPERTY AND GRANT AN EASEMENT TO THE TOWN FOR THAT SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S, I'M ASSUMING, GONE THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN ON, SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH PART TWO AND PART THREE OF THE EA OFFICE.
YEAH, WE, WE WENT TO PART TWO AT, WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT WE HAVE A PART THREE THAT I GUYS SENT YOU AND I HAVE HARD COPIES FOR YOU TONIGHT AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT INFORMATION ON THE PART THREE.
DID YOU GET THE RESPONSE BACK FROM SHIPPO THERE WAS PENDING ON THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING IN THE ARCHEOLOGICAL? RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A FORMAL RESPONSE BACK FROM THEM YET.
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AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE COMPLETED A PHASE ONE A ONE B FOR THE REMAINDER OF A PORTION THAT HADN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN EVALUATED IN A PRIOR ITERATION OF THIS PROJECT.MOST OF THE SITE WAS EVALUATED AND CLEARED, BUT WE DID THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE.
UM, THE FINDINGS WERE THAT NO FURTHER ACTION WAS NECESSARY.
UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO SHIPPO.
WE ALSO SUBMITTED AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS AN EVALUATION, UM, OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO THE SELECTIVE DEMOLITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING OF THE STRUCTURE.
BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WERE INCLUDED IN THE AUGUST 30TH SUBMISSION THAT WE MADE WITH THE UPDATED SITE PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE THOSE FOR YOUR REFERENCE? WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A FORMAL RESPONSE FROM THEM YET.
THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BEFORE THEY HAVE TO ISSUE IT TO US, BUT, UM, WE'VE RECEIVED SOME INFORMAL FEEDBACK MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THEM.
AND AGAIN, WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE, UM, COMPLETE THAT PROCESS AND GET THEIR SIGN OFF ON THE ALTERNATES ANALYSIS.
HAVE THEY INDICATED ANY LIKELIHOOD FOR ANY TYPE OF HISTORIC, UH, PROTECTION MITIGATION OF ANY VARIETY? THEY HAVEN'T SPECIFIED ANYTHING YET.
UM, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY PROPOSED OR LIKE WE TALKED, WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT HAVING, UM, SOMEONE FROM THE TOWN PRESERVATION COMMISSION COME IN AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY WINDOWS THEY WANTED TO RETAIN.
IF SHIPPO WANTS ANYTHING ALONG THE SALVAGING LINES THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED IN A LETTER OF RESOLUTION WITH SHIPPO IS, BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC RIGHT NOW.
AND HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE PRESERVATION COMMITTEE? NO.
UH, I KNOW THAT MATT CONNORS HAD TALKED WITH SOMEONE AND HAD, UH, THEY HAD A DATE IN WHICH SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED.
YEAH, SO, SO I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS INSTEAD OF HOLDING THE PROJECT UP, IF WHEN WE GET TO THE STAGE, IF IF WE DO SITE PLAN, WE MIGHT MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT THEY LET SOMEBODY DO THAT.
THAT'S, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT ON THE RECORD FROM THE SECRET DECISION.
YOU DON'T NEED FINAL APPROVALS IN HAND.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ISSUE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE APPROVALS IN HAND.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH WITH THE REPORT ISSUED BY THEIR CONSULTANT BASICALLY SAYING THEY FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT HAD NO ARCHEOLOGICAL OR HISTORIC IMPACT, THEY NEED FINAL SIGN OFF FROM SHIPPO.
WE WOULD NOT GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITHOUT THAT FINAL SITE PLAN.
AND IF YOU WANT, I COULD, I COULD SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE HIGH LEVEL POINTS IN THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS, UM, IF IT HELPS YOU GUYS.
BUT I MEAN, DO WE GAIN ANYTHING IN DOING, IF WE CAN'T DO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITHOUT GETTING THE SHIPPO SIGN OFF, WE CAN DO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITHOUT THE SHIPPO SIGN OFF.
THEY CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT THE SHIPPO.
SO WE CAN DO OUR END AND THEN OURS IS, IS DONE AND THEN, THEN THEY WAIT SHIPPING BUS.
SO WHEN DOES THE, THE 30 DAYS END, LIKE THE 18TH I BELIEVE SO BEFORE, AND WE MAY GET SOMETHING SOONER, BUT THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING.
WELL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE DRAFTS, SO WE, AS WE WERE GONNA VOTE, WE VOTE ON FIFTH OCTOBER.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE DRAFTS OF ANY, I THOUGHT DREW SAID YOU HAD PART THREE.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE A DRAFT OF PART THREE.
WE DON'T HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO READ TO VOTE ON.
SO, SO WHAT I'M THINKING, UNLESS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, WE CAN AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DO DRAFTS SEEKER AND SITE PLAN RESOLUTIONS TO BE RETURNABLE OCTOBER 5TH AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON OCTOBER 5TH.
I THOUGHT LAST TIME WE YOU DID AUTHORIZE.
SO WHY DON'T, DID I GET AN EMAIL? I DO HAVE A DRAFT.
I DO, I DO NOT PRE-FILE RESOLUTIONS.
THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
IT'S NOT BUT DO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ABOUT SITE PLAN.
I ALSO HAVE A, A DRAFT RESOLUTION IF YOU WANT TO ACT ON IT.
I THINK YOU SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER ACTING ON THE SEEKER IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT ISSUE IS, I KNOW I JUST GOT A REPORT.
THE, WE HAVE A NEW HISTORIC COMMITTEE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO INPUT AND MAKE SURE ON THOSE FINAL APPROVALS FROM, FROM SHIPLOAD.
SO I THINK YOU COULD MOVE ON THE SEEKER AGAIN, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PART THREE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, CAITLIN HAD A GOOD, BUT YOU COULD MOVE ON THE SEEKER AND YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND ANY CONDITIONS.
BUT MAYBE YOU WANNA HOLD OFF ON THE SITE QUESTION.
WHAT'S UP? YOU, I ALWAYS THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WELL WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US THE DRAFTS AND WE CAN QUICKLY LOOK AT THEM AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA VOTE TONIGHT.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE SAW THE MEETING MINUTES.
THE MEETING MINUTES AUTHORIZED US TO PREPARE.
I THOUGHT THEY DID IN MY, IN MY NOTES EVEN HAVE RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO VOTE ON TONIGHT.
AND I LOOKED THROUGH MY STUFF AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE DRAFT.
SO I THOUGHT MY NOTES WERE NO, NO, HE'S JUST GIVING THEM TO US NOW.
YEAH, HE DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY OF THOSE, SO, OKAY.
WE USUALLY DON'T PRE-FILE RESOLUTION.
WE REFILE THE INFORMATION, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GIVE US DRAFT SO WE READ THE DRAFT AHEAD OF TIME.
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WE COULD BE DONE AND, AND BE DONE.I, I MEAN IF YOU WANT I, WE CAN RUN THROUGH, UM, THE PART THREE AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE SEEKER SIDE OF YEAH, I MEAN ASK YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE KIND OF NEED SOME OF THE PRE, I MEAN THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE OUTSTANDING IS, IS SO IN MAKING A SECRET DETERMINATION, WE ARE WITHOUT CHIP RESPONSE, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE CONCURRING AND HAVE EVALUATED ALL THE CULTURAL IMPACTS AND THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, ALRIGHT, WE MAY WANNA WAIT FOR THE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NECESSARILY GONNA ALLY CHANGE THAT, BUT WE'RE THEN TAKING THAT DECISION INSTEAD OF HAVING GPO MAKE IT.
WELL, OKAY, SO WELL, PART TWO SECRET RESOLUTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN RESOLUTION.
WE'LL GO THROUGH PART THREE, WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR OCTOBER 5TH FOR THE VOTE, BECAUSE THEN SHIPPO WILL HAVE TO BE DONE.
YOU GUYS WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK ON OCTOBER 5TH.
AS LONG AS NOTHING COMES UP FROM SHIPPO THAT'S UNEXPECTED.
AND WE'LL JUST READ THE RESOLUTIONS AND DO THE VOTE.
YOU CAN COME BACK IF YOU WANT, BUT WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, I I STILL DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THIS SITE.
I'M GONNA MAKE COPIES FOR YOU.
THAT'S, OH, THIS IS THE ONLY SITE.
SO ON THE SHIPPO SIDE OF THINGS, I MEAN WE, SO WE'VE PROVIDED THE MATERIALS THAT WE ALREADY HAD.
AGAIN, I COULD GO THROUGH THOSE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, IN TERMS OF SHIPPO'S RESPONSE, BUT STILL OUR VIEW FROM OUR EXPERTS WE WOULD SUBMIT IS THAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE CULTURAL AND HISTORIC RESOURCES SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, THE SHIPPO PROCESS IN IS ONGOING AND YOU KNOW, AS PART OF YOUR DETERMINATION THAT'S, THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THAT SHIPPO PROCESS IS COMPLETED.
SIMILAR TO OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, A WETLAND PERMIT IS REQUIRED, YOU COULD STILL ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO GET THE PERMIT BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING.
BUT I THINK AT THAT POINT WE OFTEN ARE ASKING FOR JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
AND I GUESS I'M, I'M JUST PUTTING OUT THERE THAT I'M WOULD RATHER GET, GIVEN THE HISTORIC NATURE BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE COME IN.
I'D RATHER HAVE THEM PUT THEIR RESPONSE IN THE RECORD TO VOTE.
I'M NOT SAYING SO THERE'S NECESSARILY ANYTHING GONNA CHANGE, BUT I WOULD AT THIS POINT.
I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I WOULD REALLY GET A RESPONSE FROM SHIP THOUGH.
WE, WE'VE ALREADY MADE ALL THE REFERRALS.
IF WE HAVE A RESPONSE FROM A COMMITTEE, WE MIGHT PROBABLY WON'T, BUT THEY'RE STILL, SHIPPO HAS GOTTEN THE REPORT AND THEY'RE STILL BEEN THERE 30 DAYS.
JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL INVOLVEMENT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE? THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO TOUR THE BUILDING, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF LIABILITY ISSUES AND THEY WANTED, SO THEY WANTED TO BE INVOLVED.
SO IF WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND STUFF, I, YEAH, I THINK WE, WE MAKE A SITE PLAN CONDITION THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO, TO LOOK THROUGH AND FIND, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ARTIFACTS OR WINDOWS AND THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY, THAT LIKE TO, SO WE MAY GET THEM INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAVE SOMETHING AND WE DISAPPEAR AND THEY, WELL, AND THE APPLICANT SAYS WE CAN'T FOR CERTAIN REASONS.
LIKE HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT? THAT IS THEN LEFT.
SO MAC CONNORS HAS ALREADY SAT ON THE RECORD AT THIS MEETING THAT HE'S OKAY WITH SOMEONE COMING IN AND THEY CAN RETAIN THE WINDOWS IF THEY WANT AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION WE COULD, SO IF, EVEN IF MY UNDERSTANDING, LIKE IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT.
THEY, WE CAN'T MAKE THE APPLICANT DO IT.
THE, THE ENTITY THAT WANTS TO PRESERVE IT WOULD HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THESE WINDOWS, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THEM.
AND THE SHIPPO IS ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF ATION MITIGATION.
YEAH, SHIPPO COULD MAKE THEM DO IT, BUT I, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY ENTITY, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION AS THE NO, I GET IT.
AGENCY IF IT DOES NOT INCORPORATE THEIR, THEIR EXPERTISE, CULTURAL RESOURCES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THE PART THREE AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL JUST, OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK ON OCTOBER 5TH.
ALRIGHT, SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE PART THREE, WHICH WE DID GET A DRAFT OF PART THREE BEFORE THROUGH THE PART THREE AND DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WANNA DO IT, DECLARATION, IF YOU DID TALK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN RESOLUTION AND TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL CONDITIONS.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? SOUNDS LIKE CA IS STILL CONCERNED ABOUT CULTURAL, I DON'T PUT WORDS ABOUT CULTURAL RESOURCES AND MORE INPUT ON THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PART THREE? I I DON'T HAVE ANY.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TONIGHT? I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
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OUTSTANDING THING IS THE RESPONSE FROM SHIPROCK.AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING FROM THEM, THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE BACK.
IF YOU CAN BRING WITH THAT, THE PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS ANYTHING THEY HAVE OUTSTANDING.
AND CAN YOU ALSO, HISTORIC COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU.
THEY'RE A BRAND NEW COMMITTEE.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE GET IN THE BUILDING.
WHERE? WHERE'D SHE GO? SHE'S STILL THERE.
YEAH, THERE YOU'RE, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO IN AND SEE THE, SEE THE BUILDING.
SO YEAH, SO YOU GUYS CAN MEET OUT IN THE HALLWAY OR SO DOCUMENT, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THAT DONE TONIGHT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SINATRA AND CO REAL ESTATE TO OCTOBER 5TH SECOND.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A, JUST MAKE SURE MS. ROCKWOOD IS RIGHT THERE IN THE RIGHT SHIRT.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION TODAY.
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BUILDING.
OH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA TALK RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WE CHEVROLET OF HAMBURG REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 3,745 FOOT SQUARE BUILDING.
RIGHT? WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH AND, UH, PRESENTED THE PROJECT TO DEMOLISH THIS EXISTING BUILDING AND INSTALLED A KEY 600 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SERVICE CENTER THAT WOULD, UH, BE ADJACENT COMPANY USE TO THE, UH, CHEVY HAMBURG DEALERSHIP.
UM, SOME ADDITIONS TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE WE WERE LAST YEAR IS THAT WE'VE ADDED SEVEN STREET TREES.
WE'VE INFILLED AN AREA BETWEEN THE PROPOSED PARKING AND THE SIDEWALK WITH GRASS TO MAKE THAT GREEN SPACE.
WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UH, A NUMBER OF TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, PINES THAT WOULD SHIELD ANY RESIDENTIAL USES FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE ALSO DETAILED OUR, OUR GREEN SPACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS ASKED FOR, UH, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
WHAT ABOUT THE, SO THAT EXIT NEXT TO SOS OR ONTO SOLES? WE, WE TALKED ABOUT WE ALSO SOMETHING BLOCKING THAT, RIGHT? WE PROPOSED A GATE.
OH, GATE WILL BE, WILL BE CLOSED AND LOCK.
OH, SO YOU GOT A SWING GATE? YES, IT'S
WHATCHA GONNA DO? SO, ALRIGHT.
WE, AND WE HAVE NOT HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, SO DO WE, IS THERE ANY MORE INFORMATION WE NEED BEFORE WE ARE COMFORTABLE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING? JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU WENT WITH THE GATE.
UH, OUR, UH, CLIENT PREFERRED TO GO TO GATE OPPOSED TO PLANNERS.
I MEAN, IF, IF YOU DID NEED TO USE IT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MOVE PLANNERS OUTTA THE WAY QUICKLY.
THERE WERE SEVERAL CONCERNS WE HAD TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAD WAS THE, AND THE FRONTAGE, THE GATE THERE.
SO WE WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CAN HEAR IF ANYBODY HAS ANY PUBLIC CONCERNS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES FOR THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A LANDSCAPING DECISION WAS TO GO WITH LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF FENCING BETWEEN THERE AND THE BUSINESS, THE RESIDENCES BEHIND.
YEAH, NO, WE'VE ALSO, WE HAVE PROPOSED A STOCK GATE FENCE ALONG GATE THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, THREE OR FOUR FEET HIGH IN THE FRONT AND THEN IT GOES UP TO SIX FEET IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE HOUSE.
SO WE HAVE THE, THE TREES ON THE, UH, DEFENSE AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING FOR WEST HUR CHEVROLET OF AMBER FOR OCTOBER 5TH SECOND.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE FIFTH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS AND POTENTIALLY ISSUE FINDINGS IN CONNECTION WITH A PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE TO BE LOCATED AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
BILL, I'LL JUST GIVE AN INTRODUCTION SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AN EIS PROCESS, DRAFT IMPACT STATEMENT, FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
YOU NOW HAVE TO ISSUE FINDINGS FOR PREVIOUS MEETING.
I DEVELOPED A DRAFT FINDINGS WITH BLANKS IN IT.
YOU THEN DISCUSSED IT, GAVE, GAVE ME INPUT.
AND BASED UPON THOSE YOU FILLING IT IN, YOU DETERMINED THERE WERE SEVERAL STILL POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
AND I PREPARED A NEGATIVE FINDINGS THAT WAS HANDED OUT TO EVERYBODY AT LAST MEETING AND SAID TO REVIEW THE POTENTIAL IS FOR YOU TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE FINDINGS TONIGHT.
BILL HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN AND WHETHER IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WERE NO IMPACTS OR THAT, I MEAN NO MITIGATIONS OR THAT ADDITIONAL MITIGATIONS WOULD BE NEEDED.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY INPUT THAT, SO THE
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DRAFT FINDINGS HAS BEEN FINALIZED.WELL, OUR ATTORNEY HAD SOME AMENDMENTS.
BUT SHE DID SHOW THE AMENDMENTS TO EVERYONE BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE THE FINDING STATEMENT WITH JENNIFER'S AMENDMENTS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THAT DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE DO THAT? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? ALRIGHT, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN HERE PLENTY OF TIMES.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION IS JUST, THERE'S NOTHING IN IT OTHER THAN RECITING THE REQUIREMENTS OF A LAW AND THEN SAYING YOU'RE ISSUING THE ATTACHED NEGATIVE FINDINGS OUT.
SO ANY REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T DO THE RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW? SURE.
PASSING THAT DOCK, THE DOCUMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE RESOLUTION JUST SAYS YOU'RE PASSING RIGHT.
RESOLUTION SAYS WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THE DOCUMENT THAT WE SENT AROUND, WE ALL READ AND THAT, UM, READY WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM THE BROADWAY GROUP LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DOLLAR GENERAL RETAIL STORE AT 6 5 0 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SIX N-Y-C-R-R PART 6 1 7 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW SEEKER, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD AS SEEKER LEAD AGENCY, HAS ACCEPTED A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FEIS FOR THE PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT ON JULY 20TH, 2022.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS CONSIDERED ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION SET FORTH IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND THE FINAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND WEIGHED AND BALANCED THE RELEVANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
AND WHEREAS THE ACTION TO BE CARRIED OUT IS THE ONE THAT DOES NOT AVOID OR MINIMIZE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS DISCLOSED IN THE DEIS AND FEIS AND THAT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WILL NOT BE MINIMIZED OR AVOIDED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL BY INCORPORATING AS CONDITIONS TO THIS DECISION.
THOSE MITIGATING MEASURES AS OUTLINED IN THE ATTACHED FINDING STATEMENT.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMRICK PLANNING BOARD ACTING AS SEEKER LEAD AGENCY ISSUES THE ATTACHED NEGATIVE FINDING STATEMENT AS AMENDED ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE FINDING STATEMENT PROVIDES A RATIONALE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE FINDING STATEMENT CERTIFIES THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SIX N-Y-C-R-R PART SIX 17 PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER HAVE BEEN MET.
THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY SECOND.
MR. BOBE BILL, DO YOU WANT TO, BEFORE WE GO READ IN THE RECORD WHAT THAT AMENDMENT IS OF THE FINDING STATEMENT? THERE YOU GO.
BECAUSE YOU REFERRED TO AN AMENDMENT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
THE FINDING SECTION OF THE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WILL NOW READ THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED MITIGATIONS WITHOUT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION MEASURES WILL NOT MITIGATE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE THE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WHICH MAY BE SIGNIFICANT.
THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE WILL LIKELY ATTRACT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, INCLUDING CHILDREN FROM THE SUBDIVISIONS LOCATED ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND CREATE A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
BASICALLY, WE WORRY THAT IT'S GONNA BE DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIAN IN THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT COULD MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
SO THAT WAS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. BOB SEAT.
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ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION CARRIED.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DEIS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED POP NEXT ASPHALT PLANT TO BE LOCATED AT 5 6 9 0 CAMP WALL.
SO WE GOT A ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SOMEBODY MIND SETTING THE DOOR AT THE, ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS.
SO RU HAS GIVEN ME SOMETHING TO READ AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR ATTORNEY.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR, OUR INTRODUCTION HERE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO AN APPLICATION WAS MADE IN 2019 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ASPHALT PLANT AT THIS LOCATION, THAT LOCATION BEING THE ONE IN NEAR THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG.
SOME LEGAL CHALLENGES WERE MADE CONCERNING THE PROJECT'S NEED FOR TOWN APPROVALS AND SEEKER STATUS BASED ON COURT DECISIONS.
THE APPLICATION PROCEEDED TO C SITE PLAN REVIEW AND A SECRET DECISION.
THE HAMMER PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON THE PROJECT, NOTING THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT HAD NUMEROUS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THE PLANNING BOARD WENT THROUGH THE EIS SCOPING PROCESS TO IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDED TO BE STUDIED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THE SCOPING PROCESS INCLUDED PUBLIC AND AGENCY INPUT AND INCLUDED A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING BASED ON THAT INPUT.
THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT ON MAY 5TH, 2022.
I WAS LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT JUST THIS YEAR.
WELL THAT'S, AND I, I SENT YOU THE EMAIL ABOUT THE DATES TOO, BUT, OKAY, THANK YOU.
BASED ON INPUT THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUE, A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT ON MAY 5TH, 2020, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATED STATEMENT DATED AUGUST 5TH, 2022.
IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, BASED ON THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, SECTION 6 1 7 0.9, THE LEAD LEAD AGENCY, WHICH IS THE PLANNING BOARD, HAS TO DETERMINE IF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT SUBMITTED IS COMPLETE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
WE ARE AT THAT STEP NOW AND THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS, CONSULTANTS, AND OTHER STAFF ARE REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT TO IDENTIFY ANY DEFICIENCIES IN THE DOCUMENT.
IT'S NOT TO DETERMINE IF WE AGREE OR NOT WITH THE CONCLUSIONS, JUST IF THEY DID WITH THE SCOPING DOCUMENT IDENTIFIED, IT IS NOT YET TIME TO ACCEPT ANY PUBLIC OR AGENCY COMMENTS.
ONCE THE DOCUMENT IS DETERMINED AS BEING COMPLETE, IT WILL BE FORMALLY RELEASED FOR PUBLIC AND AGENCY COMMENT.
A PUBLIC HEARING WILL ALSO BE HELD.
THE PROCESS WOULD EVENTUALLY PROCEED TO A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, AND THEN A SECRET DECISION WILL BE MADE CONCERNING THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE THE FINDINGS, ACTUALLY WHAT WE JUST DID ON THE LAST PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE IN A KIND OF A, A SUMMARY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO PEOPLE THAT THEY WANNA COMMENT ON THIS DOCUMENT NOW, RIGHT? IT WAS SUBMITTED.
SO IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT IT'S NOT TIME YET TO RECEIVE ANY COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S COMPLETE.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP TO SAY, HEY, DID THEY DO ALL THE THINGS WE ASKED? ONCE WE DETERMINE IT'S COMPLETE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC INPUT, SUBMIT LETTERS, ALL THE THINGS ON THAT ON THAT FDEI, IF THE DIS MAY BE MISSING SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT, COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT'S MISSING, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT 400 TO 500 PAGE DOCUMENT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE ASKED.
YOU HAD A QUITE EXTENSIVE SCOPING DOCUMENT, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT HAS BEEN DONE, RIGHT? AND, AND DREW BROUGHT UP THAT PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WHETHER THEY CAN COMMENT OR NOT.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU CAN'T, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF TIMES THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THIS WAY? THE ANSWER IS, WE ARE FOLLOWING NEW YORK STATE LAW AND THE LAW IS WRITTEN THIS WAY.
SO IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE ANY SENSE OR IS COUNTERINTUITIVE,
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IT'S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.SO JUST THAT'S GONNA COME UP AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? AND THE ANSWER'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, I'VE GOT THE BILL, IS, WELL, WHY IS THE LANDLORD JUST SAY NO TO THIS PROJECT? WELL, THEY CAN'T.
THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE STATE, THE LAWS OF THE TOWN, ET CETERA, WHICH IS YOU HAVE TO GIVE TO PROCESS, GO THROUGH IT, AND MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION BASED UPON INFORMATION SUBMITTED.
WE WERE FIRST TRYING TO DETERMINE DID THEY PRESENT ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO BEGIN THAT, THAT PROCESS OF REVIEWING A DRAFT IMPACT STATE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL ASK THE PLANNING BOARD TONIGHT IS, DO YOU WANT TO ASK THE TOWN BOARD TO HIRE EXTRA PEOPLE TO HELP YOU WITH THIS? UM, SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO DO HIRING.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE, BUT YOU CAN REQUEST.
THE LAST TIME IN 2019, WE HIRED AN AIR QUALITY CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN TOWN ON, ON AIR QUALITY.
SO WE HIRED A, A CONSULTANT FOR THAT.
SO PLANNING WORKER COULD DO THAT TONIGHT AND ASK FOR OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE TO BASE IT BASICALLY TO HELP THE TOWN IN THIS REVIEW.
AND IT'S, IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DOLLAR GENERAL WE JUST VOTED ON TONIGHT.
UM, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF US OR HOW MANY MEETINGS WE HAD ON THAT, BUT THAT WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ON THIS ONE.
UM, THINK ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS OF REFERENCE LESS FORMALLY THAN DREW SAID, IT IS JUST THE DRAFT DIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DOCUMENT.
THE FBIS IS THE TOWN'S DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE.
THE DRAFTS AT NO POINT BECOMES THE TOWN'S PROPOSAL.
IT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE FBI SLY THAT IS ISSUED, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY CONFUSING.
IT IS GONNA TALK ABOUT AMENDMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT WILL NOT JUST BE A WHOLESALE REVISION.
THAT WILL BE THE FIS WILL BE WHAT THIS, THIS BOARD PUTS FORTH.
AND THE BOARD, THE FIS, MOST OF THE FIS IS ANSWERING THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM AGENCIES AND THE PUBLIC.
IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, IN OTHER WORDS, KIND LIKE THE WHY THE SKY BLUE, THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIVE.
IF IT'S SUBSTANTIVE ABOUT IT, IT WILL BE ANSWERED IN THE FDIS.
THERE'LL BE AN ANSWER PROVIDED THAT MUST REPRESENT YOUR OPINION.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEIS AND THE FDIS.
THAT'S, CAITLYN IS SO ELOQUENTLY STATED.
DEIS IS THE APPLICANT'S OPINION.
IT'S A FAIR AND BALANCE PROCESS.
THE FDIS IS THE TALENT'S OPINION, AND THEN YOU WEIGH A BALANCE THOSE TWO AND MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
SO BACK TO THE COMMENT THAT DREW MADE ABOUT HIRING EXPERTS, AT LEAST TWO OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE PROBABLY GONNA WANT OUR OWN EVALUATION OF INDEPENDENTLY ARE GONNA BE THE AIR QUALITY AND THE ODOR ISSUE.
AND THEN I WOULD SEPARATELY SAY THAT GIVEN THE CHALLENGES OF EXITING ONTO, UH, VU OR CAMP AND THAT VICINITY, THAT HAVING SOMEBODY FOCUSED ON TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS, AN IMPACT FOR THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND AS A BOARD WE HIRE SPECIFIC CONSULTANTS TO, TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON.
ALRIGHT, SO WE, WE, WE DID GET AN AIR QUALITY EXPERT LAST TIME AND IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE NOW THAT WE'RE IN THIS OTHER DETAILED PROCESS TO DO THAT AGAIN, UNLESS, IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO THEN THE OTHER THING KAITLYN BROUGHT UP IS TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, WE DID NOT GET A TRAFFIC EXPERT LAST TIME.
UM, DO WE THINK WE NEED AN EXPERT TO STUDY THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE? CAITLYN DOES, BUT WE, WE NEED FOUR OF US TO, I THINK WE SHOULD.
DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC THERE? RIGHT.
NO, WE, LET'S, WE CAN JUST DO A YES OR NO, WE DON'T NEED TO COMMENT OR DECIDE WHO DOES WHAT.
THAT'S OKAY, RIGHT? DENNIS, YOU SAID, OKAY.
OKAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AT LEAST FOUR.
SO WE'LL ASK THE TOWN FOR BOTH OF THOSE EXPERTS.
WANT SARAH, I TO PUT JUST SOMETHING TOGETHER TO SEND YOU, BILL, YOU PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, JUST SAY TO THE TOWN BOARD, YOU LIKE TOWN TO HIRE OUTSIDE EXPERTISE.
UH, IF, IF YOU AND SARAH CAN DO IT, IT'LL PROBABLY GET DONE QUICKER THAN IF I I'LL SEND IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT.
BUT, UH, IF YOU GUYS CAN GET A DRAFT.
AND THEN JUST TO CONFIRM, DREW, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THIS PROCEEDED WITH DOLLAR GENERAL, THE ACTUAL FEIS DOCUMENT, THAT WILL BE WENDELL AND YOUR TEAM WILL BE PREPARING WITH THE ADDENDUMS OF ANY OTHER REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT YOU WILL YEP.
THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE HANDLING.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE INPUT YOU NEED.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ANSWERS WE'RE GIVING YOU SAY, HEY, GO
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BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND WHATEVER.I MEAN, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTACT.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE OUTSIDE EXPERTS HELP YOU AND YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT, YOU WANT A TRAFFIC RESULT SAYING WHY THIS IS THE, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AND THAT FB EVIDENCE, NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 21ST AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 21ST AND WHEN WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS DRAFT IS READY FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO AT THAT MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EITHER SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT IT'S MISSING OR SAY THAT IT'S READY FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW AND THEN THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHY WE CAME HERE AT IT TODAY.
SO WE COULD START THE PROCESS.
SO EVERYBODY KNEW WHEN OUR NEXT DEADLINE IS PREPARATION FOR THAT.
WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO TURN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT INTO A CHECKLIST SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND SAY, HEY, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST A RANDOM CHECKLIST THAT, HEY, IT'S IN THERE, IS IT IN THERE TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU ASKED FOR IN THE, IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT.
SO SOME PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, I MAY DISAGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, BUT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF INFORMATION YOU ASKED FOR.
SOMETIMES I SEE THE DEI, THEY SAID WELL DO THIS.
AND THEY HAVE TWO SENTENCE ANSWERS FOR THAT.
YOU MAY SAY, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH DETAIL.
WE ASK FOR MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
SO IT IS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW.
IT'S NOT A SIMPLE CHECK THE BOX, IT IS LOOKING AT IT AND DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC THE, THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS YOU RAISE.
SO IT IS A DIFFICULT, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO COMPLETE THIS ON YOUR NE BY YOUR NEXT MEETING.
IT'S A 500 PAGE DOCUMENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT INPUT FROM OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE THEM AND GET INPUT ON DID THEY DO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO FOR THE AIR QUALITY? WE HAD AN AIR QUALITY PERSON HELP US WITH SCOPING THE DOCUMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO SAY YES, THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
BILL'S POINTED OUT, THE SECRET LAW GIVES A TIMEFRAME, A 60 DAY TIMEFRAME FOR YOU.
BUT I, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I CAN'T GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE.
SEE IF YOUR TIMEFRAMES ARE DIRECTORY AND NOT MANDATORY.
BUT IF YOU HAVE REASONING WHY YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT LONGER, TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, LET'S NOT MAKE A MISTAKE.
IT'S A BIG IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
DETERMINE IT'S COMPLETE AND, AND, AND JUST FOR THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWLEDGE, AND I, I HATE TO DO THIS IN MEETING.
I, I, I DON'T THINK JENNIFER AGREES WITH WHAT DREW JUST SAID, SO I DO NOT, THERE WE GO
UM, WE'LL WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO DO OUR BEST.
SO, AND YOU'RE IN, IF COME THE 21ST, YOU THINK PART OF THE REASON YOU CANNOT SAY IT'S COMPLETE IS BECAUSE YOU NEED AN EXPERT REVIEW, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR GROUNDS FOR SAYING WHY YOU RIGHT, WHY IT'S NOT COMPLETE AT THAT TIME.
IF YOU ISSUE A NOTICE, COMPLETE DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT'S WELL THAT DISCUSSION.
SO CAN I GO BACK TO, UM, EXPERTS? THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANNA VERIFY WITH CAMMY AND DREW IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF EITHER OF YOUR FIRMS, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT HAS TO GET DISCUSSED WAS RELATED TO AESTHETIC RESOURCES AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE PROPOSED WAS VEGETATIVE SCREENING PINK COLORS TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF VISUAL MITIGATION.
DO EITHER OF YOUR FIRMS PROVIDE ANY VISUAL RENDERING OR VISUAL? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE TOWN BOARD TO RETAIN YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE? I KNOW OUR FIRM DOES THAT.
WHAT WE USUALLY DO, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, DIGITAL, BUT, BUT WHAT WE USUALLY DO WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND AESTHETICS IS WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE A RENDERING.
WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING IF YOU WANTED TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL MITIGATION OPTIONS AND HAVE SOMEONE DO A SERIES OF SIMULATIONS SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF WE WANTED TO SAY WE THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY PROPOSED.
AND THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF MODELING BACKUP.
THAT THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I'M PROPOSING THAT IS IT'S NOT, I AGREE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE US RENDERINGS OF THEIR PROPOSAL AND, AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY, WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN AND LOOK IT'S LOT THE DOCUMENT THAT WE SHOULD ASK FOR THAT.
BUT DO WE WANT AND DREW YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT IF WE ASK FOR YOUR FIRM CAN DO THAT.
AND I DON'T, BUT WE HAVE VISUAL IMPACT.
I THINK THEY HAVE VISUAL IMPACT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, AND THEN IT'S EASIER IF YES.
IT'S, IT'S MU IT'S MUCH EASIER IF A IF A FIRM ALREADY RETAINED BY TOWN AS THE CAPABILITY OF DOING IT, WE CAN JUST ASK THEM TO DO IT, RIGHT? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK WE NEED BEFORE WE COME BACK? ALL RIGHT.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE THE COMMENTS ON YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE
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A DECISION ON THE 21ST, YOU HAVE TO SEND ME SO I CAN START TO PUT THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER TO SAY, A, WE'RE EITHER ACCEPTING IT OR B, WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING IT.AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED IN THE DOCUMENT.
IF, IF PEOPLE HAD, IF, IF, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REVIEW IT, IF YOU THINK SOME OF THEIR RESPONSES ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL TAX STATEMENT WERE DEFICIENT, SEND THEM TO DREW, WE'LL START PUTTING TOGETHER.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR MIGHT WANNA CHANGE, LET'S ASK JENNIFER AND THEN SHE WILL WORK ON SOME OF THOSE LEGAL MORE NUANCED ISSUES.
BUT, BUT IF WE'RE, IF IT'S SIMPLY, I DON'T THINK THIS RESPONSE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR TO MATCH OUR SCOPING DOCUMENT, SEND THAT TO DREW PLEASE.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? AND THEN I WILL TABLE A L ASPHALT TO SEPTEMBER 21ST.
ALRIGHT, WE GOT MINUTES FROM THE 17TH.
I THINK BOB OR DENNIS TALKED ABOUT CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE 17TH BEFORE WE VOTE ON 'EM.
UH, CHANGE ME FROM EXCUSE SECOND.
SO MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY MR. SHAW IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO YOU, YOU CHANGE FROM EXCUSED TO PRESENT.
PRESENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU WERE, YOU WERE EXCUSED.
ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NONE.
SO I'LL MAKE A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 17TH MINUTES AS AMENDED BY MR. CHAPMAN.
WHAT? ON THE AMENDMENT? ON THE AMENDMENT.
SO THEN A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION BY MR. CLARK AS AMENDED.
MOTION BY MR. SHAW, SECOND BY MCCORMICK.