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RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ON NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LUCIAS REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 1 5 1 LAKESHORE ROAD.
YOU NEED ME TO REMIND YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING? SURE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A SMALL COPY OF, I DON'T IF WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR AND THERE WAS AN APPROVAL FOR VIRTUALLY THE SAME SQUARE FOOT.
ACTUALLY, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SCHEME.
SINGLE STORY FOOTPRINT IS ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET BIGGER, BUT THE DINING ADDS 10 MORE SQUARE FEET.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THE REST I DID IT WAS IN THE BACK THOUGH, RIGHT? UH, THE BACK IT, NO, IT'S STILL IN THE SIDE LIKE IT IS HERE.
UH, BUT IT, IT'S ALMOST AN IDENTICAL THING.
UH, WELL IT'S, IT ACTUALLY INCLUDES A BAR AREA AS OPPOSED TO AN UPPER ROOF DECK.
SO THAT'S HOW THE TRANSLATION WENT AND IT'S A LITTLE LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THAN WE DID LAST YEAR.
SO, UH, THAT JESUS IS LOOKING TO GET THIS APPROVED.
UM, UH, SO WE CAN GET THINGS MOVING ALONG.
SO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU NEED.
AND IS THE ENTRANCE THE SAME? EVERYTHING STAYS SAME ON SIDE, BECAUSE I WAS OVER THERE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCE THAT STAYS THE SAME.
WE ACTUALLY LET THAT, THAT ONE YOU'LL HAVE THE ONE EXISTING ONE ON THE FRONT? YEP.
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AND ANOTHER ONE IN THE BACK, RIGHT? YEP.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
DID YOU GET ANY CLARITY ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY FLEXIBILITY TO PULL THE SIDEWALK OR PULL THE, THE LOT BACK FROM THE EXISTING ROAD? AS WE DESCRIBED LAST TIME, THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT WAS LASALLE IS A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
I DO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TALK TO MR. LUI ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE.
THERE'S A FEW LINES THAT ARE PAINTED OVER THAT, BUT HE SAID HE COULD TAKE THOSE AWAY, WHICH ACTUALLY OFFERS MORE RANDOM PARKING.
THAT'S WHY THEY'VE BEEN PUT THERE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, AND I THINK, AND I DID BRING SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT IT, THAT THAT A HUNDRED FEET 17, NOW JAY HAS THE RIGHT TO WHICH HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ON HIS SIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S CARS ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, WITH ST.
SO IT'S A, AN ENTIRE STREET ISSUE.
IT'S NOT JUST A GS BUT WHAT HE HAS DONE THERE IS ACTUALLY ORGANIZED IT.
SO THERE'S FEWER CARS IN THAT AREA, OTHERWISE IT'S KIND OF RANDOM.
OTHERWISE PEOPLE JUST PARK SORT OF, THEY DO HAPHAZARDLY.
IT'S ACTUALLY CLEANED UP QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
NOTICE I DO NOTICE, UH, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LUCIAS TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 1 5 1 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022 AT AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HERE FOR OR AGAINST THE, UH, ADDITION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON LUCIA'S THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON THE LUCIA'S PROJECT BEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, DID YOU START THE RECORDING? YES, I DID.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL ANSWER THIS LATER ON.
I'M GONNA STALL FOR A LITTLE BIT WHILE I TRY.
AND WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE A CHANGE? YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
UH, WE DID HAVE A NOTE ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
UH, PHIL STOKES ASKED IF WE COULD POST THE MINUTES TO THE TOWN WEBSITE.
UM, SO I, WE DO HAVE TWO SETS OF MEETINGS MINUTES THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED, APPROVED THAT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF LATER.
SO THAT NOT RELEVANT TO THIS, BUT WE WILL AT THE END OF THE MEETING, REVIEW AND PROBABLY APPROVE THE MINUTES AND THEN YEAH.
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T GO ON THE WEBSITE UNTIL THEY APPROVE.
SO, SO THEY'LL BE UP THERE SHORTLY.
ANYBODY HOTLY WATCHING OUR MINUTES? YOU NEED ME TO KEEP TALKING? YEAH.
I WAS, I WAS LISTENING TO THE THING ABOUT THE MINUTES AND I WRITING NO OTHER BURNING ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTIONS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
ALRIGHT, READY? SO, READ THE RESOLUTION UNLESS ANYBODY, THEY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES, UM, CONDITIONS TO THE DRAFT RESOLUTION? NOPE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DO.
IT'S JUST A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE WORDING OF THE SIDEWALK ONE.
UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMED PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE LUCIAS PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES BUILD A BUILDING EDITION AT 4 1 5 1 LAKE SHORE ROAD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE A COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CHI'S PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 1 5 1 LAKE SHORE ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022.
ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON A NEW YORK STATE DOT ROADWAY, AND THERE'S A ASPHALT THAT EXTENDS ENTIRELY TO THE ROAD.
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OR MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CAITLYN.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR WEST HER CHEVROLET REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 3,745 FOOT SQUARE BUILDING.
OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG.
AND WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP.
AND BILL, YOU'VE STOLE MY THUNDER.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED RIGHT HERE AND REPLACING WITH A BRAND NEW SIX BAY SERVICE CENTER FOR THE CHEVROLET TO SUPPLEMENT THE CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP SIX BAY.
THIS VISUALLY HAS BEEN ALIGNED.
IT'S OLD, IT'S, BUT VISUALLY IT IS BEEN ALIGNED TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING PARALLEL TO, UH, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
WE THINK VISUALLY IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE.
THIS PLAN INCORPORATES LANDSCAPING THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IN SOME PRIOR MEETINGS.
LANDSCAPING UP HERE ADJACENT TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THE EXPANDED LANDSCAPE AREA HERE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE WITH A ROW OF TREES.
AND ALSO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
NOW LIGHTING ON THIS SITE, WE HAVE ALL NEW LIGHTING PROPOSED IN THIS AREA.
IT WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
LIGHTING IS DIRECTED DOWN ON THE PARKING LOT WHERE IT HAS VALUE AND NOT OFF INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THE NEW FACADE OF THE DEALERSHIP WILL LOOK LIKE THAT.
WE THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, A BIG IMPROVEMENT FOR THE AREA.
I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HAD SMALLER VERSIONS OF THIS BEFORE.
CAN YOU REMIND ME? IT'S A PRIVACY FENCE THAT'S ALSO GOING BEHIND THAT LANDSCAPING.
WE, IT'S A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
WE ACTUALLY, THE VERY FRONT PIECE IS THERE'S 38 FEET OF, UH, WOODSTOCK EIGHT FENCE HERE AT FOUR FEET HIGH, AND THEN THERE'S 85 FEET OF WOODSTOCK FENCE HERE AT SIX FEET HIGH.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE IS SORT A TRANSITION BETWEEN YEAH, IT'S, IT WILL STEP UP.
UM, I'M HERE WITH SCOTT LER AND JIM MALKA FROM WEST HER.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM.
BETWEEN THE THREE OF US, IS THAT GONNA BE STAINED OR PAINTED? UM, I, I BELIEVE STAINED, I, WE PREFER TO LEAVE IT NATURAL.
IT COULD BE, UM, JUST 'CAUSE THE STAIN AND PAINT OVER TIME.
THERE'S EXCESS MAINTENANCE TO THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WE JUST PUT ONE UP IN, UH, VILLE, UH, WITH NATURAL AND ITS, UH, PREFER JUST TO BE A THANK YOU.
JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, ENGINEERING PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH, UH, PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN IS A FULL SET OF PLANS, UH, THAT WILL BE REVIEWING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN? THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY WEST HER CHEVROLET TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR WEST HURST CHEVROLET.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYONE HERE WITH ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE WEST? HER CHEVROLET FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT WEST HER CHEVROLET BEING NO COMMENTS.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS THAT EVERYBODY HAD.
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WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ANY NOTE.I MEAN, THE SORT OF, THE TWO PIECES THAT WERE OF CONCERN WITH ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WERE THE LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THEY'LL BE REQUIRED THAT AS WELL AS THE FENCING.
AND THAT DETAIL WAS DESCRIBING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO NOTE ANYTHING ABOUT THE TYPE AND HEIGHT OF FENCE.
NOT DO WE NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THAT ENTRANCE WAY THAT HAS BEEN BLOCKED? IT HAS.
SO, SO THE DEFENSE AND THE ENTRANCE WAY, THE WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT WANTS IT, THEY WANT ALL THAT ON THE SITE PLAN.
BECAUSE OF, I DID, I DID NEGLECT TO MENTION THAT, UM, THERE IS A SWING GATE, RIGHT.
UH, AT THE SOLES ROAD ENTRANCE THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED.
UH, THIS WILL BE THE MAIN, UH, ENTRANCE IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY.
SO CAN I SEE THAT PIPELINE REAL QUICK? WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A FENCE.
TYPICAL ONLY REASON I THAT, BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE RIGHT.
WE DO HAVE, IT'S ON THE DETAILED ENGINEERING PLANS.
AND ENFORCEMENT WANTS IT ON HERE INSTEAD OF IN OUR RESOLUTIONS.
BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO ENFORCE AND IT'S ON THE FULLY ENGINEER PLAN.
AND I WROTE A NOTE TO MYSELF HOPING I'LL REMEMBER, BUT I DID IS A CHECK THE GATE, SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH SPACE IS GATE TO THE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, THE FENCE DETAILS ARE ON THERE.
ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU'RE GOOD.
THE PURPOSE OF THE GATE IS MAKES SOME PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE THERE.
SO I SEE BOTH ON, BUT, BUT WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CORNER BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF A PROMINENT RIGHT.
WE WANTED, YEAH, WE WERE HOPING THEY COULD DO LIKE PLANTERS OR SOMETHING INSTEAD.
OUR GATE, UH, IT DOES A LOT FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
UM, CAMIE JUST SAID THAT SHE SAW THE DETAILS FOR THE, THE, UH, GATE OR THE FACTS, EXCUSE ME, ON THE, UH, DETAILED COMMAND.
AND THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT IS IN THE ENGINEERING LETTER, IN THE LETTER, CORRECT? YES, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ALSO ABOUT BETTER DEVELOPMENT.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE WEST HERST CHEVROLET PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 5,660 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS HAVE BEEN AVOIDED OR MITIGATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE AND IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED.
THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY SECOND BOB.
MOTION, CARRIE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, WESTER CHEVROLET 4 9 9 5 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT MATERIALS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY APPROVES THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022.
TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS SIDEWALKS ALREADY EXIST IN THAT AREA.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WOOD CERAMICS, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 1,440 SQUARE FOOT METAL BUILDING LOCATED ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT AND EAST OF 2 8 1 1 PLEASANT AVENUE GONNA COME UP IN.
YEAH, JUST GIVE A LITTLE SUMMARY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I TOLD HIM PROBABLY ON THE LAST PROJECT I HAD FOR HIM, BUT HE'S IN ARUBA, SO I DON'T, I DO OWE YOU THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LIGHTING PLAN ALSO.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOUR PHILANTHROPY IS THE ONE THAT'LL BE DOING ALL THE EXCAVATING.
WE DID TALK TO THE PERRY COUNTY WATER
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AUTHORITY.IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SOME TYPE OF VALVES I'VE TALKED TO, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE TO DIG ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THE MAIN IS ON MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TOO.
YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THIS STYLE WITHOUT THE ROCKING CHAIRS.
SO, UM, WE PLAN ON PUTTING A GARAGE DOOR AND A FOOT GARAGE DOOR HERE FOR DELIVERIES OF THE CLAY, UH, MAN DOOR HERE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
SO, UM, I WILL GET YOU THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I THINK IT COMES BACK TODAY OR TOMORROW FROM ARUBA.
SO, AND THIS IS THE COLOR OF THE PETINA AND THE BE MM-HMM
SO, UM, I TALKED TO EASTERN STATES ON MONDAY AND I KNOW THAT THEY WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO DELIVER.
I WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING TILL SPRING.
SO, BUT I CAN GET THE GROUNDWORK DONE THIS YEAR.
MAY WANNA TAKE A PHOTOCOPY OF THE SHEET OF PAGE OR PRINTED THE COLOR FOR THE FILE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE WANT SOMETHING FOR THE FILE TOO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO EMAIL IT TO YOU? YEP.
YEAH, BECAUSE I COULDN'T, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? READY FOR THE NOTICE? NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY WOOD CERAMICS LLC TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING ON VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO AND EAST OF 2 8 1 1 PLEASANT AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON WOODS CERAMICS.
WAS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY HERE FOR ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST WOODS CERAMICS FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT WOOD CERAMICS BEING NONE? I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AS FAR AS CONDITIONS I ADDED, LANDSCAPING PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDED? NO.
ALL RIGHT, UM, RESOLUTIONS HERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE WOOD CERAMICS PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1,440 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT 2 8 1 1 PLEASANT AVENUE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022.
THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN SEEKER LAW AS TYPE TWO ACTION, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE WOOD CERAMICS PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 1 PLEASANT AVENUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022.
ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE CONSTRUCTIONS OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THAT IS A MOTION BY MR. CLARK.
THIS MAY NOT BE RELEVANT, BUT IS THE ACTUAL ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY AT 28 11 OR IS IT ADJACENT TO IT? 'CAUSE I THINK THE NOTICE WHEN DEB READ IT SAID ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO AND EAST OF.
SHE NEED TO DO ANYTHING TO YOUR APPROVAL RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT, SO WE'VE TO AMEND IT TO THE BUILDING, UH, ADJACENT TO AND WAS IT WEST OF EAST SEA OF ADJACENT TO AND EAST OF.
SO AMEND THE, THE, UH, MOTION.
THERE'S TWO AREAS WHERE THE ADDRESS IS IN THERE.
IF YOU CAN AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO ADD ADJACENT TO AND EAST OF BEFORE 2 8 1 1.
PLEASANT IN BOTH OF THOSE SPOTS.
OKAY, SO MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CAITLYN.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CHUCK BACKES REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A REVISED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MINI STORAGE BUILDINGS AT 1 9 7 5 LAKEVIEW ROAD AND 1 9 8 3 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
SO LAST TIME WE HAD THIS, UH, ADDED ON THE
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AGENDA, WE HAD RESOLUTIONS PREPARED, BUT WE FOUND OUT AT LAST MINUTE THAT THERE WAS AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE LAW AND THAT WOULD TO COVER OUR BASES.WE HAD THEM ASK FOR A ZONING VARIANCE, WHICH THEY GOT LAST NIGHT.
SO ANYTHING NEW TO ADD ON THAT ONE? NO, AND WE TOLD HIM BEFORE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE, SO, RIGHT.
WE TOLD 'EM EVEN AT THE LAST ONE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME.
SO AND SO THIS ONE HAS A C RESOLUTION, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DID A SHORT FORM.
YEAH, YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE DID THE AND THIS ONE, TWO.
OKAY, SO WE GOT, AND WE DIDN'T DO THE SEEKER NO, NO.
HAVEN'T DONE, BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT WITHOUT SHARING SEEKER.
NO, NO, BECAUSE WE, WE HAD IT FIRST AND WE WERE THE AGENCY BEFORE THAT EVEN CAME UP.
SO START WITH THE SEEKER RESOLUTION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM CHUCK FS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING AND FOUR ADDITIONAL PRE PREFABRICATED METAL STORAGE BUILDINGS AT 1 9 7 5 AND 1 9 8 3 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
AND WHEREAS ON AUGUST 17TH, 2022, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND BUILDING CONSTRUCTION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESOLVE IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THAT IS A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY SECOND DENNIS.
NEXT IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT RESOLUTION WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM CHUCK BOCK TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING IN FOUR ADDITIONAL PREFABRICATED METAL STORAGE BUILDINGS AT 1 9 7 5 AND 1 9 8 3 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
AND WHEREAS ON AUGUST 17TH, 2022, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 1 2 GENERAL PROVISIONS AND SECTION 2 8 0 3 2 6 2 PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE.
THAT ONE, THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 12 2.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS ITS RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
THE PROJECT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFIC SUP REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 2 6 2.
THE APPLICANT RECEIVED AN AREA VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO ALLOW TWO OF THE NEW BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED CLOSER THAN 100 FEET TO A RIGHT END THERE.
BUT AT THE TWO A, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND THEREFORE AN AMENDED SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE IS ALLOWED.
TWO LANDSCAPING SHALL BE MAINTAINED AND REPLACED AS NECESSARY.
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TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE LAKEVIEW STORAGE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022.
TWO, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS SIDEWALKS DO NOT EXIST IN THIS AREA.
MOTION BY, WAS THIS THE PROJECT WHERE WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE SIDEWALK AREA BE PAINTED SO AS TO DEMAR? IT WAS, YEAH.
SO I, I COULD ALSO TO CHANGE IT TO BE, BECAUSE THE ASPHALT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD THERE TOO AND THEY WERE GONNA PAINT THEY THAT.
I THINK HE PLANS TO DO THAT BEFORE.
AND THEN YEAH, LET'S PUT IT IN.
THE PAINTED LINES ARE ON THE SITE PLAN.
BUT YEAH, LET'S ADD THAT QUESTION OUT.
THE CONSTRUCTION SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS ASPHALT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE ROAD.
AND THE SITE PLAN INCORPORATES A PAINTED WALKWAY THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME USE AS A SIDEWALK.
FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WEST AUTOMOTIVE GROUP REQUESTING REZONING FROM C ONE AND R TWO TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT LAND NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP, POSSIBLE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND VEHICLE STORAGE AREA AND A PARK.
THIS IS A REZONING SO THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T ACTUALLY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THAT.
ALL WE DO IS WE SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN CLARK, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU PREVIOUSLY.
WE'RE SEEKING A REZONING OF THE PROJECT SITE, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY ZONED C ONE TO P NEED TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW WESTERN AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
YOU'VE LISTENED TO OUR PRESENTATIONS PREVIOUSLY AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, BUT I JUST DID WANNA BRING YOU AN UPDATE WITH ONE IMPORTANT FACT OR ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.
I WANNA REINTRODUCE ROB FROM
WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HOLD AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING WITH ABOUT 40 OF THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS LAST WEDNESDAY EVENING.
THE WESTFORD DEALERSHIP DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
FIRST OF ALL, A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE AND WE DO WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION, OUR APPRECIATION FOR THEM.
ATTENDING THE MEETING, WE DID DISCUSS A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS AND I WANNA SUMMARIZE 'EM VERY QUICKLY.
BUT I ALSO DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF A LETTER THAT JIM MALKA PREPARED THAT MR. BIER DELIVERED TO EACH AND EVERY OWNER OF THE HOMES THAT ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
SO THE TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT MEETING INCLUDED HIS FOLLOWING LIGHTING AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD'VE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD ULTIMATELY IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE REZONING.
BUT WE HAVE INSURED THE NEIGHBORS OF THE FOLLOWING THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT ALL LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
WE WILL SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
AND THEN PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE TOPIC WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY IS THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO INSTALL A FENCE, A SOLID FENCE WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE 50 FEET OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ALONG SHELDON ROAD.
SO WE DISCUSSED LIGHTING NOISE, UH, BASED ON SOME INPUT.
WE ACTUALLY HELD WITH A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS ON SHELDON IN FEBRUARY.
I THINK SCOTT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD WAS THE USE OF OUTDOOR SPEAKERS AND PAGERS.
AND BASED ON THAT INPUT, UH, WESTER HAS IMPLEMENTED A CHANGE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THEY NO LONGER UTILIZE THAT TECHNOLOGY, WE SIMPLY JUST USE CELL PHONES.
HOURS OF OPERATION FOR SERVICE WILL GENERALLY BE 7:30 AM TILL CLOSE AND GENERALLY CLOSING WILL BE ABOUT 7:00 PM IT WILL BE CLOSED ON SUNDAYS.
LOOK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE EMPHASIS ON THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE 50 FEET ALONG SHELDON AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF BROMPTON APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET, WE'VE AGREED THAT THERE WILL BE NO REMOVAL OF EXISTING HEALTHY VEGETATION IN THERE.
WE'VE ALSO AGREED THAT TO THE EXTENT SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON SHELDON CAN SEE THROUGH OR HAVE SOME CONCERNS LIKE TO SEE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TRAFFIC.
WE ARE HAVING A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE BY SR F ASSOCIATES, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY NOW BEEN PURCHASED BY PASSERO, BUT WE DO DID ENSURE NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD AGREE TO A ZONING CONDITION THAT THERE BE ABSOLUTELY NO ACCESS PARTICULAR OTHERWISE ONTO SHELDON ROAD.
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WE'D BE GOING TO, UM, MEMORIALIZE THAT CONDITION IN THE FORM OF A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS TO BE REPORTED AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACTUAL PUD ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S INTENDED TO INCORPORATE THIS PROJECT OR INCORPORATE A DEALERSHIP VERSUS MIXED USE.
AND I GUESS OUR, THE SUMMARY OF OUR POSITION WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING C ONE ZONINGS, WHICH APPLIES TO EVERYWHERE WITH THE PASSIVE PARK AND I BELIEVE THAT'S SPECIFIED AT SECTION 2 80 69 A OF THE CODE.
WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS BETTER IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY OF USES.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDE THAT 12 ACRE PARCEL INTO NUMEROUS PARCELS THAT WOULD ALLOW TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH FOOTPRINTS OF UP TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY WITH THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY EVENING.
AND ULTIMATELY WE ADVISE THEM THAT YOU'RE ADVISORY TO THE TALENT BOARD AND THEY'LL GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE TALENT BOARD.
BUT WE DO THINK BASED ON THAT, THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY A LEVEL OF SUPPORT NOT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
THE FINAL TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE PARK RELATED TWO TOPICS I WANNA BRING UP ON THAT.
NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WEST HER IS NOT INTENDING TO CONVEY THAT TO THE TOWN OF WEST, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO HE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
AND THEN I ALSO WANNA EMPHASIZE IT'S A PASSIVE PARK.
THERE'LL BE NO DEDICATED PARKING AND WE DID INDICATE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THEIR INPUT ON THE AMENITIES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST THROWING A SMALL WALKING AREA, SOME BENCHES, SOME LANDSCAPING, COUPLE OF THE NEARBY RESIDENTS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AS WHERE MAYBE WE COULD PUT A LITTLE AREA WHERE PEOPLE COULD WALK THEIR DOG, DISPOSE OF ANY WASTE.
WE'RE OPEN TO ANY OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND WE'VE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN THAT ON THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING THE ACTUAL DEALERSHIP AND THE RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
ALL THAT'S OCCURRING ON PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ISSUING A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE TO ISSUE ITS OWN DECISION AND ITS LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY.
AND IF THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY ISSUES A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF REZONING, WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT A FUTURE DATE FOR SITE.
SO THANKS FOR LETTING US PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE.
THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WAS HELD.
UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK US, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON EXPANDING THE SIZE OF THE PARK? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE KEY WAS THAT THE, AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS WILL SPEAK AT THE TOWN BOARD.
I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN MOUTH.
NUMBER ONE, NO DEDICATED PARKING.
AND NUMBER TWO, WHO'S GONNA OWN IT AND MAINTAIN IT AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL OWN IT AND WE'LL MAINTAIN IT AS PART OF THE SITE, PART OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT SUGGESTED, WELL MAYBE WE COULD GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THIS PERMANENT GREEN SPACE BACK HERE.
WE CERTAINLY SAID WE CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROVIDING 50 FEET ALONG THE SEAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF WE, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, IT'LL OPEN UP MORE COMMERCIAL UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
IF, IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH IN STATE ZONE C ONE.
OKAY, NOW WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT UNDER THE PUD, WHERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING BENEFIT OF? I MEAN THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS NO, SO WE'RE NOT INCLUDING AT, YEAH.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR DENNIS, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THE PUD SEC, GO AHEAD.
SO ALL AS YOU'RE DOING HERE, IN MY OPINION, YOU'RE MAKING A DEALERSHIP AND YOU'RE REZONING AT PUD BUT THERE'S NO INNOVATIVE DESIGN.
THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, RETAIL GOING IN THERE.
THERE'S NO HOUSING GOING IN THERE.
THAT, THAT'S
AND AND BY THE, THE ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN RIGHT.
THAT NO DEALERSHIPS OFFER CAMP ROAD.
SO WHAT THIS IS REALLY IS A WAY TO GET A DEALERSHIP ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE GOING IN THERE.
WELL, SO, SO LET ME RESPOND WITH TWO QUESTION.
THE PLAN SHOWS YOU, UH, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD AND ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU GOTTA PUT A BUILDING THERE 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE, UH, PARKING.
RIGHT? SO LET ME, LET ME RESPOND WITH TWO POINTS.
NUMBER ONE, AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE ORIGINALLY SEEKING C TWO ZONING, RIGHT? THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO EARLIER THIS YEAR.
WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD DURING A WORK SESSION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN JUNE IN THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED AND KEEP ON THE TOWN BOARD DIDN'T ENDORSE OR APPROVE THE PROJECT.
THEY ASKED US TO CONSIDER PUD.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT LIMITS IT TO THIS USE.
NOW IN TERMS OF WHETHER EVERY PROJECT THAT'S EVERY SITE THAT'S OWNED PUD NEEDS TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL.
THE CODE ACTUALLY DOES NOT SAY THAT.
I MEAN IF, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THIS DEAL DONE AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM, WE COULD ADD RESIDENTIAL USES OPPOSITE THE RESIDENTIAL USES ON SHELDON ROAD.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THOSE OWNERS, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD PREFER PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
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DON'T TAKE THIS AS A LITERAL PLAN.THIS IS A BIT SPECULATIVE ATTORNEY HOPKINS
NO, BUT I DO WANNA, NO, BUT I DO WANNA NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE C ONE ZONING AND JIM SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT, THIS WOULD BE A PLAN.
ALL THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THAT SITE.
IT WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND A THOROUGH REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT IT DOES SHOW THE INTENSITY OF WHAT COULD BE PERMITTED TODAY BASED ON THE EXISTING C ONE IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THOUGH THAT YOU HAVE SELECTIVELY PICKED A COUPLE THINGS.
THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF OTHER USES THAT COULD BE THERE.
SO I JUST BECAUSE IT STAYS ONE USE OR ANOTHER, I DON'T WANT TO CONSTRUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT WE'RE COMMENTING THAT ONE USE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
THAT THERE ARE A WHOLE RANGE OF USES.
AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES.
IT COULD BE A HUGE TIM HORTON'S WITH 30 CAR LINE, BUT WELL, BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
YEAH, I GUESS I, I GUESS I WOULD NOTE WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S THE SIZE OF THE SITE.
THE SIZE OF THE SITE IS 12 ACRES.
SO THERE'S NO WAY IT'S EVER JUST GONNA BE A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT.
TIM HORTON'S, GIVEN THE MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT ALLOWED TO C ONE ZONING DISTRICT IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
I ALSO WANNA KNOW IN CHAD, SO THE BROKERS HERE, MR. CHEWY, THE LONGTIME OWNER, HE'S NINE YEARS OLD.
THIS PROPERTY IS GETTING SOLD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A VERY, VERY STRONG PREFERENCE FOR OUR PROJECT.
BUT MR. GRILLER IS IT EVEN INDICATED? WELL IF SOMEHOW THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, HE WOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER BUYING IT AND REDEVELOPING IT PURSUANT TO THE C ONE ZONING.
BUT AGAIN, NOT OUR PREFERENCE.
OUR PREFERENCE IS THE AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP.
BUT IF IT DID, IF IT DOES GET REDEVELOPED GIVEN WHERE IT'S WHERE IT IS, I WOULD BE NEARLY A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE NUMBER ONE RESTAURANTS AND GIVEN WHERE IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE STADIUM AND OTHER AMENITIES PROBABLY WOULD INCLUDE A HOTEL.
AND IN FACT, I THINK SOMEONE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED A HOTEL ONE OR MORE HOTELS, ALL THOSE USES COULD FIT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT OTHER CHOICES FROM THAT.
I WOULD SAY THIS, THERE WAS 40 PEOPLE THERE, GIVE OR TAKE.
I ASKED THEM, GIVE ME THE, GIVE ME WHAT'S BETTER THAN A CAR DEALERSHIP.
RIGHT? BUT IF I LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT THE WOODS.
MR. TOY'S GONNA SELL A LAND TO SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY'S GONNA DEVELOP IT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND I JUST WANNA STRESS ONE THING AND IT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'LL BE NO BUILDING ON THAT OTHER SIDE RIDGE.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING A BUILDING IN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS THERE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST CAR STORAGE IN MY RIGHT SIR.
WELL, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THIS AS A PUD.
SO YOU CAN, SO WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE RULE AGAIN.
NO, A PUD REMEMBER IS BASED ON A SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT I CORRECT.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SEE, RIGHT NOW UNDER C ONE, YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
YOU COULD NOT HAVE THE PARKING WITH WITH NO BID.
NOW WHAT ELSE IS GONNA GO THERE? SEE, WHEN I LOOK AT A PUD, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THEY WERE GONNA DO ALL ON SOUTH SHORE.
NOT ONE ITEM, ONE DEALERSHIP, ONE OWNER.
THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA DECIDE, RIGHT? I KNOW I'M GIVING MY OPINION.
SO WE GIVE THE TOWN BOARD OUR OPINION, WE DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT.
WE CAN JUST SAY IS OUR OPINION.
WELL, I WANT IN THE MINUTES HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ON THIS, BUT TWO SOUTH SHORE IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY A PUD FOR ONE SINGLE USE WITH NO RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S CURRENTLY P DED AS A GOLF COURSE.
WELL, SO I I THINK THIS KIND OF COMES BACK TO LIKE THE BIGGER PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE.
AND I WASN'T HERE IN FEBRUARY, SO I DIDN'T GET TO SAY THIS TIME, BUT, BUT WE, BUT WE ALSO AREN'T ELECTED, SO WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE THE ACTUAL BIGGER PHILOSO ISSUE.
SO THE RE BUT THE RE THE, THE QUESTION THAT CAME BEFORE US IN FEBRUARY RIGHT? WAS DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE LAW AND RIGHT MM-HMM
AND THAT WAS A VERY, IT WAS, UM, ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION TO ASK BECAUSE WE WERE, SHOULD WE CHANGE THE LAW? BUT THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, SO IT WAS A A, A POOR QUE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE SCOPE.
SO HOW DO YOU EVALUATE THAT? RIGHT, WE AGREE.
SO, AND I DID HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE TIME WILL REACH OUT TO ME AND I DID SAY AT THE TIME, LIKE, I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY VALUE IN EVALUATING THE LAW, COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION AND A PROPOSAL INDEPENDENT OF WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN AND THE POTENTIAL USES.
AND I OFFERED AT THAT TIME TO, TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT, THAT'S LIKE ISSUE ONE.
AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A SHORTCOMING AND CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LIMITED LAND AVAILABLE UNDER THAT.
BUT THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THIS IS SORT OF LEFT FROM HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND CHALLENGES YOU HAVE WITH THE LAW TO HOW DO WE USE A PUD? AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH A PUD IS THAT IT HAS SOME OFTEN AMBITIONS.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF IMPLEMENTING IT AS A, AS A ZONE BECAUSE IT, YOU REALLY WANT A MIXED USE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MR. CHAPMAN
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IS SAYING IS THAT THIS IS HARD TO JUSTIFY AS LIKE A MIXED USE.I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME OVER TO THIS PARK UNLESS I COME OVER AND I, YOU KNOW, PARK IN THE PARKING LOT OR PARK ON BROMPTON.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY ISN'T A MIXED USE FOR SOME SORT OF OTHER SYNERGISTIC BENEFIT OR PUBLIC USE OR VALUE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ME IS HOW DO WE TAKE THIS TO SOMETHING THAT RECOGNIZING PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA MAINTAIN THE FORESTED AREA, MAINTAIN THAT, BUT HOW DO YOU GET TO THE HEART OF WHAT, WHAT MAKES A PUD AND ALSO STILL RESPECTING THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, THE LAW IS.
WHAT THE LAW IS AND WE'RE TIED A LITTLE BIT BY THAT FRAMEWORK IS HOW DO YOU MOVE FORWARD? AND I THINK THAT'S THE STRUGGLE.
AND I AND I I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS AS, YOU KNOW, TO RESULT THE SITE TO C TWO AND ASK FOR A CHANGE IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTION.
SO BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIPT, WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH.
BILL SAID, CAN I FINISH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, I WANNA ASK THE QUESTION FIRST AND I'LL IT MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU WHAT THE NEIGHBORS OR THE DON'T DENNIS, LET, LET'S WAIT.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET CONTROL OF THIS MEETING, MIKE.
AND WE DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN PEOPLE ASK EM DO WE RIGHT.
HAVE WE EVER, OKAY, SO LET'S YEAH, AND I'LL LET YOU GO IN LONG ENOUGH.
WHEN WE HAVE A STRUGGLE AND IT'S A REZONING, WHAT WE DO IS WE PRESENT THE TOWN BOARD WITH A MEMO THAT OUTLINES BOTH SIDES WE STRUGGLE WITH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO HERE.
NOW WE HAVE A DRAFT MEMO AND OUR ONLY TASK TODAY IS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT DRAFT MEMO CONVEYS BOTH SIDES OF WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND IF WE THINK THAT IT DOES, THEN WE SAY YES, WE'LL SEND THAT MEMO.
IF WE THINK IT DOESN'T, THEN WE GOTTA REWRITE IT AND COME BACK.
AND I DO APPRECIATE, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE IT SPEED.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HE IT OKAY.
WELL, IS IT NOT? NO, IT'S NOT.
OH, I DIDN'T, WELL AS THE APPLICANT, I THINK AS, AS THE APPLICANT, BUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, BUT I WANNA SAY MY PERCEPTION OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT NIGHT THAT WERE THERE, THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THEY THINK, I THINK THEY THOUGHT FOR THE MOST PART SOMEONE'S GONNA DEVELOP IT IN SOME FORM OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY THOUGHT MAYBE THIS WAS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE.
MANY OTHER ONES NOT, NOT THAT CHARGE, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE, THAN OUR HOURS ARE TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK, THREE DAYS A WEEK.
OUR HOURS ARE SO SIX O'CLOCK, TWO DAYS A WEEK, WE GO TO FIVE ON SATURDAYS.
WE'RE NOT OPEN ON SUNDAYS WHEN THERE'S BALL GAMES.
SO JUST AS A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROPERTY WITH THIS DARK LIGHTING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE A QUIETER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALMOST ON THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN THINK OF.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE, I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY, BUT WE'RE LIKE THE, THE LESSER, I MEAN, IT'S BETTER TO KEEP IT A WOODS.
IT'S BETTER TO KEEP IT A WOODS FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS.
IT'S BETTER TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA STAY THAT WAY.
SO I JUST SUGGEST THAT WE, I THINK WE'RE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE.
NO ONE ELSE THAT NIGHT COME UP.
SO WOULD PREFER, AND MAYBE THERE'S AN IDEA OUT THERE, BUT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SAY THERE COULD BE MORE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE MORE THAN ONE DEVELOPMENT, MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US.
SO WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND, AND, AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
EVERYONE WILL GET CHANCE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE, AND I DON'T WANT ANY HURT IF YOU DON'T NO.
IT, WHAT WE SAY TODAY ACTUALLY DOESN'T, ISN'T THE THE SAY IN WHATEVER GOES THROUGH.
BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY BETTER IF WELL YEAH.
THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAN YOU DIDN'T, BUT IF YOU DON'T, I RESPECT THAT.
IT BRINGS 75, 75 JOBS THAT PAY GOOD MONEY.
A LOT MORE MONEY THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ADDITION TO THE BOTTOM.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS BILL JUST ASKED US WAS WHETHER OR NOT IT PRESENTED ALL THE ISSUES AND I ADDED A STATEMENT TO THE BOTTOM AND I DON'T KNOW YEAH, IF IT'S AN EIGHT OR IT'S AN ADDITIONAL, BUT THAT THE
AND I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH.
YEAH, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH.
JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT, UM, MR. HO SAID ABOUT THIS, THE NOISE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING IN MY HEAD.
YOU SAID THERE'S GONNA BE NO OUTDOOR SPEAKER EXISTING.
UH, HEY SEAN, YOU CALL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HEAR THAT, RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT INDOOR? INDOOR PAGING?
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IF I'M IN SALESPERSON, IS THERE INDOOR PAGING DE YEAH.BUT NOT, YOU DON'T HEAR IT OUTSIDE? WELL, YOU DO AND YOU DON'T.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TO WESTERN.
I MEAN I'VE BEEN IN THE PARKING LOT AND HERE, OVER HERE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING IN MY HEAD WHEN YOU SAY SURE.
CELL PHONES, THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER.
RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS THE ANSWER IS I GOT 35.
NO, WE SAY YOU PAGE 35 MAKE A MOTION TO, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS OF MAKE MOTION READ PLANNING BOARD.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT MUSIC OUTSIDE.
WE HAVE STOPPED IT AS A COMPANY OF HAVING MUSIC OUTSIDE OR ANY OUTSIDE PAGE BECAUSE OF THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT BROUGHT MY ATTENTION WITH OUR, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
HE, I I'M ONLY ADDRESS QUESTION.
I'M ADDRESSING WHAT SEAN SAID.
JUST LET LET BOB HAVE THIS QUESTION ANSWERED.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU DO HAVE THE INDOOR, YOU DO HAVE INDOOR AGING.
SO NOW, NOW, MR. CHAPMAN, DO YOU MEAN, UH, THE ONE THAT WE WERE PROPOSED OR WITH THE ADDITION THAT SUGGESTED A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHAT WERE THINK THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF THE CURRENT ZONING RESTRICTIONS ON DEALERSHIP LOCATION TO ADD THAT IN? TO ADD I JUST ADDED THAT OUT TO ADD THE CONSIDERATION AND REVIEW.
THEY SHOULD, THEY, SHOULD WE WANT THE TOWN BOARD TO UNDER TAKE A DETAILED REVIEW OF THAT RESTRICTION? NO, NO, NO.
OF THE REGULATION, NOT OF THE RESTRICTION.
NO, I, I DON'T, OKAY, SO THAT ALRIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
YEAH, THEY, THEY MADE THAT A LONG TIME AGO.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY, AND DENNIS IS GONNA KEEP US MIND THAT ROBERT KNOW MY MOTION IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED TO TOM BOARD NOT AGREE TO THIS REZONING APPLICATION AND LISTED THE FOLLOWING REASONS FOR THE SEVEN REASONS.
SEVEN REASONS THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
SEVEN, WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MEMO, RIGHT? WE JUST WANT ADOPT THE MEMO THAT WAS CIRCULATED.
THE PLANNING BOARD, WAS IT YESTERDAY? YEAH.
AND I'LL ATTACH IT TO THE MINUTES, RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY DENNIS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS CIRCULATED TO US YESTERDAY.
AND I'M NOT GONNA AMEND ANYTHING UNTIL AFTERWARDS.
TO NOT MESS UP OUR ROBERT'S RULES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
I'M GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE'RE DONE APPROVING
WELL, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT WHAT YOU DO.
YOU MAKE THE AMENDMENT, WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
YOU VOTE ON THE MOTION AS AMEND.
RIGHT? SO YOU GET EXTRA CREDITS IN CIVICS CLASS, PLEASE.
OKAY, WELL I MAKE A MOTION AN AMENDMENT.
AN AMENDMENT A MOTION TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND MR. CHAPMAN'S RESOLUTION TO SAY, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, THE TOWN SHOULD CONSIDER A DETAILED REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION OF THE EXISTING IONS ON CAR DEALERSHIPS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT BY CAITLIN, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT? SECOND.
SO ON THE AMENDMENT, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, YOU MIGHT WANNA ROLL? CALL THIS.
SEE THE LANGUAGE? I'M GLAD NOW I'M GONNA GET WORD.
OKAY, SO WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.
UH, FOR THE AMENDMENT, DO YOU WANT THE AMENDED INCLUDED? YES.
DOUG, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE END.
IT'S NOT, YEAH, DON'T, NO AMENDMENT, LOOK ZONING REGULATIONS IN DETAIL.
UM, NO, I I'M AGAINST AMBER ONE.
SO I'LL, I'LL ALSO VOTE AGAINST IT SO WE AT LEAST DON'T HAVE TIE.
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SO THE AMENDMENT FAILS ON THE RESOLUTION.ALL IN FAVOR OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THAT.
ANY OPPOSED UP? ONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO RESOLUTION CARRIES THE ORIGINAL MEMO THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS YESTERDAY WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES AND SENT TO THE T BOARD.
WE'VE GOT TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
AS YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE LEFT AND E OFF FOR WORK VICE, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
I MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER WITH THE FIRST S SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING WITH THE EDITORIAL CHANGE.
CAN WE JUST DO A MOTION FOR BOTH OF THEM? OH, FOR BOTH.
BOTH THE SEPTEMBER 7TH AND SEPTEMBER 7TH.
MOTION BY DOUG SECOND BY DENNIS.
SO DENNIS, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US ALL, UH, POCKET GUIDES TO ROBERT'S RULES AND HOLIDAY GIFTS.
I NEED A POCKET GUIDE TO ROBERT'S MOTION ORDER.
I'LL, I NEED A QUICK REFERENCE.