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LATE MEETING IN ROOM 6 33.THAT'S, THEY'RE WHERE, WHERE THERE IN A MEETING? BE OUT YANKEES.
YOU HAVE TO LEAVE? I CAN PROBABLY 6 39.
HEY, SIX 30 I'M HAVE, HAVE JOBS.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A MEETING SO EVERYONE DID THEIR JOB.
NO, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO PARTAKE.
SO NO, I HAVE OPINIONS
YEAH, I DID DENNIS ON THAT END BECAUSE DESPITE MY OWN PERSONAL TURMOIL, THE TIMING WORKED OUT GREAT.
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA BE IN NEW YORK.
YOU ALL HAVE ALL THE MEETINGS YOU NEED.
WANNA BE IN THE STATE? YOUR PRESENTATION.
ARE YOU ABOUT GOVERNMENT STUFF? I SHOULD SEE A, TO GET I BE LIKE A CELEBRITY HIGH SCHOOL ALUMNI.
I FROM HAMBURG, MARGO, WE COULD GO IN TOGETHER AND LIKE BE LIKE THE MOST CIVICS PRESENTATION.
WE HAD THE MOST, WE HAD THE MOST HAMBURG INTERACTION IN THE PARKING LOT.
LAST MEETING I WAS AT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE KNOW AND WE WENT TO HIGH.
HOW MANY YEARS THING THAT HAPPENED? REALLY? PEN? YOU TAKE MY PEN OR GET MY PEN BACK? THIS IS MINE.
SO IF I HAVE A PEN ON ME AND I STOLE IT FROM YOU, SO LEMME CHECK.
I MIGHT HAVE THANKS OUTTA IS I'LL STILL IN THERE.
WAIT, I, OH NO, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PEN.
YEAH, THE ONE IS BLACK WORKS SO HARD.
IT'S A VERY EXCELLENT, OH, I, MY OTHER
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION ON.
FIRST ITEM WE HAVE ON THE WORK SESSION IS FRANK RUSSO JR.
REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF THE 14 LOT SUBDIVISION AS AN EXTENSION OF NILES AVENUE.
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THIS COZY TIME, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BRING IN A LAPTOP AND GO ON THE SCREEN.SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.
I KEEP ENCOURAGING PEOPLE AND NO ONE DOES IT BRING A LAPTOP WE PUT ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT.
I KNOW WHERE IT'S, IT'S UH, I'M CHRIS WOOD WITH IAN WOOD DESIGN.
UH, ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT IS FRANK RUSSO JR.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION, THE EXTENSION OF NILES AVENUE.
UH, THIS HAS DONE BEFORE YOU GUYS MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE, THE LAYOUT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE CULDESAC AT THE END, AT THE TIME THERE WAS WETLANDS IN QUESTION ON SITE.
WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT, SUBSEQUENTLY GOTTEN A JD THAT THOSE WETLANDS ARE NON-JURISDICTIONAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THREE LOTS FOR THE WETLAND.
PREVIOUSLY WERE ON HERE, THIS LOCATION.
WE, WE SUBMITTED A COPY OF THE JD.
SO ARE THEY ISOLATED OR ARE THEY NOT THERE? THEY'RE NOT ISOLATED.
SO THE JD IS GOOD FOR WHEN WE JUST, WE JUST GOT 22, SO, OKAY.
I ONLY ASK THAT 'CAUSE I HEAR THE MODUS RULES ARE ABOUT TO COME UP AGAIN.
AND THEN PROBABLY BE TABLE PENDING
SO YOU'RE GOOD, BUT YOU'RE GOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE ON YOUR DUTY.
UM, AND THE LAYOUT, THE LAYOUT'S ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME.
WE DID TAKE THE CUL-DE-SAC OFF AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A LARGE AREA OF BLACK TOP THAT DIDN'T SERVE A HUGE PURPOSE.
UH, WE DID GET A COMMENT LETTER FROM ENGINEERING THAT ASKED US TO PUT IT BACK, BUT I'M GONNA TALK WITH THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT.
AS YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT A HUGE FAN OF CULDESACS AND SEE IF HE PREFERS TO TURNAROUND OR THE CULDESAC.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PREFERENCE? WHAT IS THE SNOW STORAGE SITUATION UNDER BOTH SCENARIOS? UH, WELL, SNOW STORAGE WITH THE CULDESAC, OBVIOUSLY THEY COULD STORE IT IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, AND THIS ONE THEY WOULD PUSH IT TO THE ROAD.
WE'VE GOTTA SEE WHAT THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT THINKS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY, THEY WOULD PLOW ONE LANE TO THE END OF THE ROAD.
DOES THAT END UP BEHIND THOSE HOMES THERE? THESE HOMES? YEAH.
SAME AS IT WOOD FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC.
WELL, THE CUL-DE-SAC WOULD, THEY WOULD FIND PLACE LOCATED.
THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT WITH THE HIGHWAY.
THEY, THEY DON'T JUST LEAVE IT IN ONE SPOT.
SO, UM, THE QUESTION STILL STANDS, DOES IT STAY RIGHT BACK IN THERE BEHIND THOSE PEOPLE'S HOMES? RIGHT.
BUT THE, THE WAY THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, EVERYTHING'S SLOPE THIS WAY.
SO AS IT MELTS, IT WILL GO DOWN THE ROAD INTO THE GUTTERS, INTO THE CATCH BASINS, INTO THE DETENTION BASIN AS OPPOSED TO ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
TAMMY, WHY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE CUL-DE-SAC? WELL, THERE'S NOT A STRONG ENGINEERING REASON FOR EITHER THE, THE TOWN CURRENT TOWN STANDARDS.
SAY AFTER 200 FEET, IT HAS TO BE A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO THAT'S WHY OUR COMMENT LETTER SAYS CUL-DE-SAC.
NOW WE, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE HIGH RISK FOR ATTENTION, NOT A BIG FAN OF IT.
UH, THE CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS TURNAROUND IS THAT IF YOU CAN SEE THAT LOT ON THE BOTTOM, I CAN'T SEE THE LOT NUMBER FROM HERE, BUT, OR JUST THE DRIVEWAY.
THE, THE TURNAROUND IS ACTUALLY FACING THAT LOT.
AND WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THAT TURNS INTO THE LOT DRIVEWAY, WHICH CAN BE A CONCERN.
SO NOW IF PLOWS ARE TURNING AROUND, THEY'RE TURNING AROUND IN A DRIVEWAY AND THAT CAN BE ALSO A CONCERN.
SO THERE ARE ARE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES TO BOTH DESIGNS.
I MEAN, IT'S A FLY THAT IS THE DRIVEWAY DO ONE OVER THE OTHER.
THEY BOTH PUBLISH IN THEIR OWN WAY.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT, UH, GIVE HIS OPINION BECAUSE HI, HIS PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
IN THE LONG RUN, I CAN, I CAN MEET WITH HIM AND SEE WHAT HIS PREFERENCE IS.
IT DOES ALSO IMPACT SCHOOL BUSES.
IF YOU HAVE A SCHOOL BUS THAT COMES DOWN THAT DELIVERY VEHICLES, OBVIOUSLY, UH, AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE TO THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TURN AROUND IN SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY.
SO IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION ALSO OF MODIFYING THE TURNAROUND TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THAT DRIVEWAY MAYBE IS THE SOLUTION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY ABOUT PILOT'S DECISION ALSO GOING FORWARD IN YOUR PACKETS YOU HAVE, UM, THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2018 WHEN YOU LAST APPROVED IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT RIGHT NOW, BUT GOING FORWARD YOU'LL SEE WHAT YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WERE THEN AND WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OF THAT.
IT DOES, IT DOES REFER TO A SIDEWALK AS SHOWING ON THE PLAN.
I COULDN'T FIND A PLAN THAT SHOWED A SIDEWALK THERE.
THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON TIM TAM TRAIL.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT SIDEWALKS ON.
YOU GUYS REQUIRE THEM FOR THESE NOTES TO
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PUT IT ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD KIND BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON MY EYES.I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS WHEN YOU SAID SCHOOL BUSES AND LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES, IF THERE'S A FIRETRUCK THAT HAS TO COME BY, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR TURNAROUNDS.
IF THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AND I SHARED SOME OTHER, THERE'S JUST NOT A, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY, THAT'S NOT IDEAL.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING BACK, WE HAVE THESE LOTS ARE ENOUGH.
WE COULD DO A ONE SIDE CUL-DE-SAC KIND OF THIS SIDE.
PUSH THESE BACK A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN REFER IT TO THE LOCAL FIRE COMPANY AND SCHOOL TOO FOR THEIR COMMENTS ON BUSES AND FIRE TRUCKS HAVING TO TURN AROUND.
YEAH, I WAS, I HAVEN'T SENT IT TO THE FIRE COMPANY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GONNA CHANGE IT OR NOT.
MAY MAYBE I'LL WAIT TILL YOU TALK WITH, I WAS GONNA SAY, LEMME TALK TO THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT THEN.
IF REQUIRED ALSO IN NEW DRAWING, DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME WITH WHEN YOU WANNA COME BACK? I'LL CALL AND IF I CAN MEET WITH SUPERINTENDENT NEXT WEEK AND THEN I'LL, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY NOT.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION? ONE OF THE CONDITIONS HERE? CONDITION NUMBER THREE ON THE OLD MEETING MINUTES, THEY WANTED A CONFIRMATION AREA IN THE BACK OF WHAT THEY REFER TO AS NINE AND 11, WHICH IS MY ONE AND THREE CONDITIONS ARE.
WHAT'S THE ROAD ACCESS TO MAINTAIN THE STORMWATER? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR STORMWATER PROJECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
I HAD AN EASEMENT GOING DOWN THE OKAY.
AND THERE'LL BE SOME FINE TUNING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HIS LOCATION OF HIS STORMWATER FINE IS JUST SHOWN IS A GENERAL, WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN OR ANYTHING YET.
WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO ENCROACH ON THE EASEMENT BECAUSE ACCESS NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO BE SURE WE CAN GET BOTH SIDES.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS I READ SOMEPLACE FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS ACCESS TO THE CREEK.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE USED FOR ACCESS TO THE CREEK.
DETERMINATION INDICATED IT'S ACTUALLY A STREET.
JURISDICTIONAL, IT'S JURISDICTION JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL STREET.
SO WE WOULD WANT ACCESS FOR THE TOWN SHOULD THEY EVER HAVE TO GET IN THERE.
BUT IF THE TOWN EVER HAD TO GET IN THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING FROM, UM, THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR, OR IN THIS CASE, TO, TO DO ANYTHING TO THAT CREEK OR STREET.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED A MAP WITH THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, BUT I THINK THERE'S LIKE A PRETTY STEEP DROP OFF WATER.
YOU AND UM, DOUG THAT WE'RE ON THE BOARD WITH BEFORE YEAH.
THE, THE PREVIOUS ONE HAD THE DETENTION BASED ON THE SAME LOCATION.
UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ALL THE WAY BACK THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE BEING A STREAM BACK THERE, EVERYTHING DOES SLOPE TOWARDS THAT STREAM.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A POINT WHERE IT DROPS OFF.
WHAT'S THE PLANTING PLAN? DO YOU HAVE TWO STREET TREES WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR EACH OF THESE? WE DON'T USUALLY GET LANDSCAPING PLANS FROM SUBJECT FOR RIGHT.
AND THE PREVIOUS ONE REFERRED TO PLANTING ALONG WITH BLOCK 7, 8, 9, WHICH WERE THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO IT BE THE BACKYARD BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH.
SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU GUYS PLOWED THE SNOW IN THERE, THERE WAS TREES TO STOP IT FROM KNOCKING DOWN THEIR FENCES AND HEADLIGHTS.
WHAT DID YOU SAY WAS THE SNOW PLAN? THE, THE STORE, THE SNOW? YEAH.
WELL, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A TURNAROUND.
SO THEY THROW THE SNOW AT THE END OF THE END OF THE ROAD.
IF IT ENDED UP GOING BACK TO THE ALSAC, THEY'D PROBABLY STORE IT IN THE CULDESAC OR THE BACKSIDE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE DISTANCE TO THE CREEK AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS PLANS.
BUT THE CREEKS, I MEAN IT OVER MORE.
WELL THE GOOD, THE GOOD THING IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WATER QUALITY.
QUALITY, THE GOOD THING IS, IS IF IT DOESN'T MEL, IT'S GONNA GO THE ROAD SLOPES THIS DIRECTION.
SO IT'S BE IN THE ROAD AND, AND IT'LL MAKE ITS WAY TO DETENTION BASIN AND STORMWATER MANAGE AREA BEFORE IT PAINT TO CREEK.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE STORMWATER POND AND THE CREEK? UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S ABOUT
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60 FEET OR SO.THERE'S A, THERE'S A SAN SEWER CALLED SANCTUARY SEWER AND AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THE DETENTION BASIN AND THE CREEK.
WE CAN'T GET, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ANY CLOSER TO THAT ANYHOW.
IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL TO SHIFT THE POND THIS WAY AND PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS OR BUFFER BETWEEN THE STORMWATER POND THERE? IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO THAT? AND POND AND THE CREEK? I KNOW THERE'S A PIPE THROUGH THERE.
THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA WANT ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO NOT HAVE IT BE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY HEAVILY WOODED AROUND AROUND THE CREEK ANYWAY.
SO YOU JUST WOULD WANT EM TO NOT TAKE OUT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND LEAVE THE APPROPRIATE WITH BUFFER.
DID I, I LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT TREE EROSION.
I'M TRYING, I DUNNO IF IT MADE IT ON THERE.
I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN WHY WE DID THE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
I MEAN THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF TREE CLEARING WITH THESE PARCELS AS WELL.
HOW, WHAT'S, HOW MUCH TREE CLEARING ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT'S THE ACREAGE? WELL WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T CLEAR CUT THE LOTS.
IT DID THE, NOT A LOT BY LOT BASIS AS, AS THE HOMES WERE CONSTRUCTED.
BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THIS HOUSE WAY BACK HERE.
MOST LIKELY THE HOUSE WILL BE A LITTLE CLOSER IN THE BACK OF MAINWOOD.
SO WE COULD PROBABLY DO A CONDITION SIMILAR TO ONE WE DID A FEW MONTHS AGO OR WHERE IT WAS.
THESE PRESERVING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TREES AND IF NOT YOU PLAN WITH MORE.
WELL, AND I THINK TOO LIKE, LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO A 60 FOOT CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THE BACK OF THE DEEP LOTS.
WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING OVER HERE.
PEOPLE FAR, PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THESE FLAG LOTS AREN'T BUYING TO CUT OFF TREES DOWN.
THEY WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE TREES IN FRONT TOO.
AND IS THE STORM WATER POND NEAR AND OR ON THE WETLAND? IT LOOKS LIKE WETLAND THREE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WETLAND THREE, UH, IS PRETTY CLOSELY LOCATED TO, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A GREAT IDEA POTENTIALLY DEPENDING WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO TO, THATS STORM WATER BASIN.
AND IT MOST LIKELY ISN'T AN EXACT LOCATION OF THAT WETLAND I WOULD LIKE.
SO YEAH, IF YOU HAD THAT AND A BUFFER AT THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE HELPFUL.
WE BUT IT BECOME THE STORMWATER, IT BECOME THE STORM.
BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT RETENTION LOOKS LIKE.
WE, WE PROBABLY BUY RETENTION AND DRY INJECTION.
HOW FAR IS 60 FEET BALLPARK ON THAT MAP FROM LIKE, IF YOU WERE TO PUT 60 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS, APPROXIMATELY HOW FAR AM I? IT'S IT'S ONE INCH EQUALS 50.
SO THE BACK OF THESE LOTS? YEAH.
LIKE CAN YOU PUT YOUR FINGER APPROXIMATELY WHERE 60 FEET IS? 60 FEET PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT THERE.
DIDN'T YOU SAY EVERYTHING SLOPES TO THE ROAD.
EVERYTHING SLOPES THIS DIRECTION.
SO ANYTHING WAS AT THE END OF THE ROAD WOULD SLOPE DOWN THE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO ONTO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH.
SO THEN HOW IS IT SLOPING INTO THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT? WELL, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING SLOPES LIKE THIS DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, AND GENERALLY TOWARDS THE CREEK.
THEIR HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK.
I'M JUST TRYING TO DEDUCE WHETHER WE CAN DO ANYTHING NICE TO SAVE ANY PART OF THE WETLAND.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BECOME HOUSE YOU, YOU, THOSE THREE LOTS BECAUSE WEAPONS WERE NOT FROM TO FOUR.
RIGHT AFTER I, AND WE, SINCE IT WAS IN MINUTES ALSO DO WE HAVE TO DO AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S ANOR ISSUE IN, IN THESE MINUTES.
IT SAYS WHEN YOU APPROVED IT RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'LL BE A DECISION WE MAKE WHEN IT COMES BACK.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF I SHOULD DO EAF OR NOT.
IT NEVER HURTS TO PUT AN EAF ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE US A WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE IF THE IMPACTS WERE THE SAME OR LESS.
THAT WOULD PROVIDE US A WAY TO MAKE A DECISION.
THE CONSERVATION ERROR IS GONNA BE HOA, IT'LL HAVE TO BE RIGHT.
AND UH, WELL, OR IT COULD BE DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH THEN YOU WOULDN'T NEED AN HOA, THERE'D JUST BE A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE BACK OF ITS, IS THERE AN HOA
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FOR THE, HOW DOES THE FARM WORK? WE'LL HAVE TO DO FOR POND, BUT YEAH.BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THESE, THESE CONSERVATION LIKE HERE ARE GONNA GO LIVE A LOT.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE COVERED BY, THEY'D JUST BE A RESTRICTION BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WOULD OWN THOSE AS OPPOSED TO BEING COMMON.
AND THEN THESE DON'T COME BACK TO US 'CAUSE THEY COME BACK THE INDIVIDUAL.
I MEAN PUTTING SOME OF THOSE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, PRESERVING SOME.
AND THEN WERE YOU ON THE PROJECT WHERE WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE TREES BEFORE? HMM.
THIS WOULD BE A CONSERVATION AREA BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE COVERED BY THEA.
SOMETHING I LIKE DE RESTRICTIONS TOO BECAUSE IT SHOWS UP RIGHT ON THE RIGHT PROPERTY.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FRANK RUSSO JR.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS SLASH CAR WASH.
REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE FORMER TJI FRIDAY'S BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 3 7 0 1 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
IF I CAN JUST SAY SOMETHING TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE DENNIS BROUGHT IT UP TOO.
THIS IS WHERE THE, AS I SAID, TGI FRIDAYS WAS.
AND THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE OUT PARCELS THAT BENDERSON HAS CONTROL OVER.
REMEMBER THE CARVANA TYPE THING? VEHICLE? THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT AFFECTED BY BENDERSON, ARE WE? SURE? YES, THEY'VE ALREADY, WELL, OKAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE GOOD EVENING 18 PANOL WITH CARINA WOOD DESIGN.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER TGI FRIDAYS.
WE'RE PROPOSING A SINGLE TUNNEL CAR WASH.
UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, IT'S GOT THE OLD FRIDAYS AND IT'S BASICALLY ALL PAVED.
UM, SO WE WILL BE ELIMINATING A LOT OF PAVEMENT, ADDING SOME GREEN SPACE TO THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A SINGLE ENTRANCE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN AN, AN ENTRANCE ONLY ON THE NORTH AND THEN AN EXIT ONLY HANDY HERE IN THE CENTER.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S SINGLE TUNNEL CAR WASH, UM, RIGHT FROM THE MCKINLEY MALL THERE.
UM, WE'RE PROVIDING SOME EMPLOYEE PARKING AS WELL AS, UM, 24 VACUUM STALLS, UM, TO SERVICE THE CUSTOMERS AS WELL.
UM, THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER AND A STORMWATER SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE, THE BUILDING'S KIND OF AT AN ANGLE THERE, BUT IT FACES THE, THE CORNER THERE OF THE MALL ENTRANCE AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
SO I THINK THAT KIND OF WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME, UH, SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION.
THE ENTRANCE TWO AND THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT WILL BE THE MALL ENTRANCE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE MALL ENTRANCE HERE.
AND THEN TO ACCESS THE SITE, THESE AREN'T ACTUALLY REUSING THE EXISTING CURB CUTS FROM THE FRIDAYS RIGHT.
THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE ONLY ON THE NORTH SIDE EXIT ONLY HERE IN THE CENTER.
SO WE'RE GONNA REUSE THOSE CURB CUTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND IT'LL BE ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, ACCESS THE MALL.
HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU STACK ON THIS ONE? WE CAN PUT ABOUT 35.
THERE'S, UM, THREE, THREE STACKING LANES HERE, THREE PACE STATIONS, AND THEN IT NARROW NARROWS DOWN INTO THE SINGLE TUNNEL.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THERE'S OR TH 39.
THREE, THREE STACKING LANES HERE TO THE ENTRANCE AND THE PAY STATIONS RIGHT THERE.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE WASH? TYPICALLY THESE, UM, TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE TO PROCESS ONE CAR.
THEY'RE, UH, VACUUM STATIONS OUTSIDE.
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AGAIN? YEAH, SO, UM, ALL OF THESE SPACES IN FRONT OF THE CAR WASH THESE HERE ALONG HERE AND HERE.AND THEN THIS WOULD BE EMPLOYEE PARKING UP FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE CAR WASH.
HOW TALL IS THE VACUUM STRUCTURES? UM, IT'S THE BIG, I MEAN IT'S BIG ONES WITH THE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU WOULD SEE OTHER, YEAH.
TYPICAL OF, OF THOSE THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT THE, THE OTHER CAR WASHES.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? HOW MANY PEOPLE MET? TYPICALLY THERE'S ONLY, UM, A COUPLE EMPLOYEES ON SITE AT THE TIME.
YOU NOT HAVE ANY COLORED LIGHTS? ARE YOU LIKE A CARNIVAL OR ANYTHING? NO, WE DID SUBMIT, UM, A RENDERING, A COUPLE RENDERINGS HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, AS FAR AS COLORS GO AND, YOU KNOW, NO REALLY FLASHY NEON LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'LL BE PRETTY TYPICAL OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS? THEY, THEIR HOURS VARY, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT, I BELIEVE THEY USUALLY OPERATE BETWEEN EIGHT IN THE MORNING AND EIGHT AT NIGHT.
AND HOW DO YOU GET INTO THE VACUUMS? LIKE DO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PAY STATION AND INTO THE CENTER? YES.
SO, UM, THE VACUUMS FOR, FOR THIS CAR WASH ARE FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY.
SO, UM, AND A LOT OF THIS, UM, A LOT OF THESE CAR WASH CUSTOMERS FOR THIS, UM, BUSINESS, THEY'RE SUBSCRIPTION BASED.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COME IN THE ENTRANCE HERE, GO THROUGH THE PAY STATION.
IF YOU HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION AND YOU ONLY WANNA USE THE VACUUM, YOU CAN PULL OUT RIGHT HERE, GO TO A VACUUM SPACE OR IF YOU'RE ARGUING THE CAR WASH COME OUT AND THEN YOU CAN ACCESS THE VACUUMS AFTER.
UM, BUT UM, YOU WILL HAVE TO BE A CUSTOMER TO USE THE VACUUM.
THERE'S, SO IF, IF THEY JUST GO AND USE THE VACUUM, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THEIR WASH FOR THE DAY? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA WASH THE DAY, CORRECT? WELL, THEIR SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED.
SO YOU, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU CAN GO MORE THAN THIS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PULL IN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU REALIZE YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR WALLET OR SOMETHING, CAN YOU GET BACK OUT AGAIN WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE SITUATION? IS THERE? YEAH, SO THE, LIKE I SAID, THERE WILL BE A COUPLE ATTENDANTS ON SITE.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL COME OVER AND LET, LET YOU PULL IN THROUGH HERE, LET YOU GET THROUGH THE ESCAPE LANE AND EXIT.
SO THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE, YEAH, THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE ONSITE AT ALL TIMES TO HELP WITH ANY, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC COULD, THEY COULD NARROW IN EACH OTHER AND YEAH.
COMING IN, IF I JUST GO TO VACUUM AND YOU'RE COMING IN TO GET YOUR CAR WASHED, WILL WE EVER MEET CARS? NO.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND THEN IF YOU JUST WANT TO USE THE VACUUM, YOU CAN PULL, GO THROUGH THE PACE STATION AND PULL RIGHT OUT HERE.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE USING THE CAR WASH, YOU WOULD JUST KIND OF KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
THIS SITE IS FULLY PAVED, RIGHT? YOU SAID FULLY? YEAH, THERE IS, UM, THESE, THESE FIRST, UM, 40 FEET OR SO, UM, ON THE PROPERTY IS, THERE'S LIKE THAT BIG EMBANKMENT THERE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL BLACKTOP AND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ELIMINATING A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA WITH THIS, WITH THIS LAYOUT.
SO DO YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN OR COULD YOU PROVIDE ONE? WE HAVE NOT DONE A LANDSCAPING PLAN YET, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE ONE.
UM, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY THROW IN A LOT OF SIGNINGS IN THOSE GREEN SPACES TO SP IT UP AS MUCH, AS MUCH MORE THAN IT'S NOW.
USUALLY PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THIS, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T DONE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU SEE BECAUSE THEY WANT FIRST.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION ON THE LAYOUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANTS.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IN THE FRONT OF THIS DRAWING, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE PIPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF CONNECTS TO THE, THE DITCH IN FRONT.
HOW IS THIS RIGHT HERE? I THINK SO.
UM, HOW IS THIS ALL CONNECTED? LIKE, ARE IS THAT CONNECTING YOU RIGHT TO, UH, MUNICIPAL OR LIKE A COMBINED DOOR? YES.
SO WHERE'S THE WA I GUESS, WHERE'S THE WASTEWATER GOING? SO LIKE I MENTIONED THERE, THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE AND A STORMWATER SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.
THE STORMWATER COMES THROUGH UNDERGROUND AND THEN OUTLETS AT THIS PIPE INTO THE DITCH.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A CUL RIGHT THERE THAT GOES ACROSS MCKINLEY AND THE SANITARY SEWER COMES THROUGH HERE AND THEN SHOOTS ACROSS MCKINLEY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE TYING IN OUR SANITARY SEWER AT, UM, STORM WATER.
WE WOULD, UM, DETAIN ON SITE AND THEN DISCHARGE TO THE DITCH.
SO YOUR SURFACE WATER FROM A CAR WASH FULL OF SOAP AND CHEMICALS IS
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GONNA GO INTO THE SANITARY SEWER INTO THE DITCH? NO, THE SANITARY SEWER DOES NOT GO, NOT THE SANITARY, THE STORM WATER.LIKE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOUR SURFACE WATER RUNOFF? WHERE ARE DO YOU, ARE YOU COLLECTING? SO THE SURFACE, SURFACE WATER FROM, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE CAR WASH MM-HMM
ALL GETS COLLECTED INSIDE THE CAR WASH.
THEY, THIS COMPANY USES AN AQUA BIOO SYSTEM.
IT'S A WATER RECLAMATION SYSTEM.
SO THEY ACTUALLY RECLAIM A LOT OF THAT WATER, CLEAN IT, REUSE IT.
UM, THE WATER THAT DOES NOT GET REUSED WILL GO INTO THE SANITARY SEWER.
IT WON'T BE GOING THROUGH THE STORM.
THE SANITARY ONE, THE ONLY WATER THAT'LL BE GOING INTO THE STORM SEWER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, WHATEVER THE STORM FROM THE STACK LANES AND THE THE VACUUM STUFF.
THE, THIS AREA IN HERE, NOTHING FROM INSIDE THE CAR WASH WILL GO, GO THROUGH THE STORM SEWER.
I MIX THOSE UP AS IT SHOULDN'T.
SO THE SURFACE WATER WILL, WHICH MAKES ME ALSO FEEL EVEN STRONGER THAT IF THERE ARE TRASH CANS I WANT THEM TO BE COVERED OR SOMETHING SO THAT THE TRASH DOESN'T BLOW IN TO THE DITCH WITH THE STORM WATER.
UM, NO LESS THE PARKING LOT, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STORM WATER.
IS THIS TOUCHLESS? WHAT'S THAT? YOU JUST SAID TOUCH TOUCHLESS CAR WATER? YES.
I'M GONNA KEEP GRILLING ABOUT THE PERMITTING AND TREATMENT CREATURE DEATH REQUIREMENTS OF THIS WATER CENTRAL SQUARE.
THAT'S HOW YOU RUIN YOUR PAIN.
CAN WE REFER THIS NOW OR AS SOON AS THE APPLICATION COMES IN TO TRAFFIC SAFETY TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON FLOOR? YEAH, THEY, THEY, YEAH.
I, I HAVE, I WILL GIVE IT TO PAUL, BUT HE KNOWS THAT UNTIL A SITE PLAN COMES IN, HE WON'T GIVE ME OFFICIAL COMMENTS BECAUSE THIS COULD CHANGE OR THEY, THEY COULD GO AWAY.
SO WHAT'S THE MODEL NUMBER OF AT P IN A PEAK HOUR? SEE THIS IS A, IT'S NOW 45 DEGREES.
THERE'S SALT EVERYWHERE, EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER WANTS TO GET THEIR CAR WASHED.
SO WHAT IS THE PEAK NUMBER OF, IN YOUR SCENARIOS, NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO COME TO THE SITE AND HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WILL BE THERE ONCE THE STACKING? SO BASED ON, UM, OTHER SITES THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, SAME COMPANY, THEY USUALLY GET BETWEEN 150 TO 250 CARS A DAY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE DAYS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE WINTER WHERE IT'S NICE OUT AND EVERYONE'S CAR IS SALTY, THEY WANNA GET THEIR CAR WASHED, UM, LIKE I SAID ABOUT A MINUTE TO PROCESS A SINGLE CAR.
SO THEY CAN THEORETICALLY DO 60 CARS IN AN HOUR, BUT THEY DON'T EVER, NONE OF THEIR OTHER SITES SEE VOLUMES THAT HIGH.
UM, TYPICALLY BETWEEN 30 AND 35 AN HOUR WOULD BE THE MOST THAT THEY SEE.
AND THIS IS FOR BASED ON DATA FROM OTHER SITES, CAN THEY PROVIDE AN AVERAGE, UH, SOME DATA ABOUT PEAK AND AVERAGE DECKING? YEAH.
DO THEY HAVE OTHER SITES? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN GATHER INFORMATION FROM THE OTHER SITES AND, AND, AND SUPPLY THAT, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SUPPLY ALL THAT INFORMATION WHEN WE DO A FORMAL FORMAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF IN THE CONCEPT PHASE, SO, SO YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK.
YEAH, AS I MENTIONED, WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE FULLY ENGINEERED DRAWING, SO IT'LL BE A, A LITTLE WHILE.
LIGHTING PLAN PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS.
PHOTO LANDSCAPE, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
WE GET A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THIS AREA ABOUT THE LACK OF WALKABILITY AND I DON'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO WALK TO THE CAR WASH, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO THAT WOULD HELP PEDESTRIANS GET FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER THAT, UH, YEAH, IT IS A TOUGH SPOT FOR THAT, BUT I, I, YEAH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA GET SOME PUBLIC, THIS IS ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT FEET, I BELIEVE.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, THE, MAYBE A SIDEWALK ON THE ENTRANCE, UM, TO THE MALL SO SOMEBODY COULD WALK TO THE LIGHT ON, ON THIS SIDE? YEAH.
SO I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SIDEWALKS THERE NOW THOUGH, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THERE ARE.
BASICALLY ON THE SIDEWALK GOING TO NOWHERE.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THIS AREA ON PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND THE NEED FOR A BROADER SOLUTION.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MM-HMM
SO WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP.
AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, BUT IF WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
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YEAH.ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SPLASH CAR WASH.
AND WOULD WE HAVE TO COME BACK HERE OR CAN WE MOVE RIGHT TO A FORMAL SITE PLAN? YOU MOVE RIGHT TO THE, YEAH.
BUT THE SITE PLAN COMES BACK HERE.
IT'S LIKE ONE THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK, SO WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE REGULAR MEETING.
WELL EVERYONE, SO WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 19TH TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE P ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A QUICK SERVICE, REAL CALL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TACO BELL RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND SINCE WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT.
CORRECT? THAT, SO AS YOU SAID, UH, SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, UM, WE DID MAKE A FEW CHANGES BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED REGARDING THE SUBJECT TRAFFIC SAFETY AND STACKING AT THE SUSTAINED INTERSECTION.
UM, IN GENERAL, WE JUST KIND OF REROUTED THE SITE, UM, ENTRANCE.
WE'RE LEAVING THET ENTRANCE ALONE.
WE ARE NOW COMING INTO THIS SIDE PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE KEEPING THE PARKING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
THE BUILDING LOCATION HAS STAYED SAME IN THAT WE'RE AVOIDING ANY VARIANCES WITH THE CHANGE.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WAS WE'RE HAVING THE TRACKING WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEN FILTER BACK IN.
OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD CAUSE SOME ISSUES.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED ABOUT THREE SPACES AFTER THE PICKUP WINDOW.
SO ANYBODY THAT IS COMING THROUGH WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MERGE OUT, OBVIOUSLY AMPLE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY IS ELSE IS COMING THROUGH.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE REROUTED THE EXIT OF THE SITE INSTEAD OF COMING STRAIGHT OUT, WHICH WAS AN ISSUE.
WE'RE COMING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UH, STOP SIGN ALL THE WAY AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE INTERSECTION
UM, AS IS, I BELIEVE WE HAD ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE STACKING SPACES, ESSENTIALLY JUST WITHIN THE PROPERTY FOR EITHER LANE.
EITHER YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT OR RIGHT OR TURNING LEFT.
UM, THAT IS THE GROSS CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR.
I WOULD NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE MOUNTABLE CURVING, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A LITTLE TIGHT, KIND OF UNAVOIDABLE, UM, JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SITE SIZE.
AND, AND THAT THAT ADDITIONAL CURVING WILL WILL STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING IN THE DIRECTION IS A PROBLEM.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE IS A START THERE UP HERE THAT'S JUST FOR TRUCK, JUST TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DRIVING OVER CURVES.
UM, WE HAVE ENGAGED A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ALONG WITH THIS.
UM, THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR, UM, LETTER READY FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, HOWEVER THEY HAVE NOTED THAT THEY DO BELIEVE THIS IS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE
THE LAST POINT, DID TRAFFIC SAFETY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS CHANGE? UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT NOW, BUT, UM, OUR INITIAL CONCERNS INVOLVE ONE AROUND THE, THE STOP SIGN, UM, AND HOW THE TRAFFIC COMING TO THAT STOP SIGN THEN GETS BACK ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, THE STOP SIGN AFTER THE PICKUP WINDOW.
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WILL HAVE TO WRAP AROUND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE COMING OUT OF HERE.SO THEY COME THROUGH THE PICKUP LINE WINDOW.
SO THEY COME THROUGH THE PICKUP WINDOW HERE.
COME THROUGH THE PICKUP WINDOW HERE.
AND THE, IS THAT THEY'LL HAVE THREE SPACES AS A BUFFER.
MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY ELSE IS COMING.
MERGE OUT, DROP ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO THIS POINT WHERE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL STOP SIGN.
AND THEN FROM THERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FILTER OUT INTO THE EXIT LANE.
I GOT A QUESTION, THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT NOW, WHEN YOU COME IN.
I'M GONNA GO AROUND AND ALL THE WAY AROUND.
BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME SPACES.
ARE THOSE LIKE BOB'S A GOOD GUY TODAY.
YOU COULD CUT THROUGH OR EXPLAIN TO ME.
YOU SAID THERE'D BE SOME PEST.
I'M TRYING TO COMPARE THIS, BUT I'M, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED THIS, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL.
IS THAT TIM HORTON'S IN THE VILLAGE? I GO THERE A LOT.
THERE'S ONE WAY IN, YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING AND YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND.
AND IF I'M A NICE GUY, I'LL LET YOU THROUGH AS WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THERE, THOSE SPOTS.
YOU SAID THERE'S THREE SPOTS IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, THAT ARE BUFFERS.
IS THAT WHAT THOSE ARE? RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU WAIT FOR A NICE GUY TO LAY YOU THROUGH.
AM I I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NO, NO, NO, NO.
NO, I, MY WHOLE TIME WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE DOCTOR.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD THE, THE ENT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE NOT LIKE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAD ON.
YOU'RE COMING IN, I'M COMING OUT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT ANYMORE.
I'M GONNA GO OUT THAT I'M STILL GONNA GO OUT THAT WAY.
BUT THEY'RE, I'M NOT GONNA BE BUTTONING INTO YOU COMING IN.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WELLNESS PLACE NEXT DOOR BECAUSE I WAS JUST THERE.
THAT, THAT WILL, THIS WAY THAT WILL ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.
THE STOP SIGN WILL, THAT IS THE INTENT.
THE STOP SIGN WILL ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM.
UH, SO NOW I UNDERSTAND THE WAY YOU SAID IT, BUT I, AGAIN, I'M THINKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE GOING AROUND THAT BUILDING AND HOPING THAT BILL'S A NICE GUY LETTING ME THROUGH AND I'M NOT LETTING YOU THROUGH.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A CLUSTER.
SO WE, WE HAVE TAKEN A SURVEY ACROSS TACO BELLS, UH, JUST IN THE GREATER BUFFALO AREA OWNED BY AIRPLANE.
UM, ON AVERAGE DURING PEAK HOUR, THEY'RE SEEING APPROXIMATELY EIGHT CARS IN THE, IN THE STACK FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH AS IS.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK AND CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT CAR NUMBER EIGHT IS? WHERE THEY'RE ON THAT? UH, CAR NUMBER EIGHT IS RIGHT HERE.
SO, AND WAS EIGHT THE AVERAGE OR THE PEAK? THE, THE AVERAGE ACROSS ALL OF THE TACOS DURING THE PEAK HOUR? DURING THE PEAK HOUR PEAK.
SO WHAT IS THE EIGHTH CAR? THE EIGHT CAR IS RIGHT HERE, UH, DIRECTLY DEAD CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ILLA.
SO EFFECTIVELY, REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, IF WE ARE ONLY AT EIGHT, WE'LL HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 SPACES AFTER, YOU KNOW, ROOM FOR FIVE CARS AFTER THE PICKUP WINDOW FOR PEOPLE TO PULL IN AND YEAH.
WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL OUT.
SO GENERALLY, SO WAIT, SO WHERE'S THE ORDERING WINDOW THOUGH? SO ORDERING WINDOW AT CAR NINE, THE ORDER IS ALL THE WAY OVER HERE.
WHAT'S THE BUMP OUT AT CAR NINE? THE, THE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE BUMPER? THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUMP OUT OF THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING STICKS OUT THE DOOR PROBABLY.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE ORDER, THE MENU AND ORDER ORDER ARE OVER HERE.
RIGHT AT THE HERE AND THEN IT'LL COME OUT.
SO YES, IN THEORY WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL OUT, BUT REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, THERE AREN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH PEOPLE COMING IN ALL AT THE SAME TIME THAT WOULD OVERWHELM THE
YOU WANT THAT PROBLEM? SO, SO THE AVERAGE IS EIGHT.
THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN 12 TO BLOCK THE PEOPLE, THE, THE THREE PEOPLE COMING OUT.
THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN 12.
THERE'D BE STILL SPACE FOR SOMEBODY IN THOSE THREE TO COME OUT.
SO, SO, SO THE WAY WE HAVE IT, WE PROVIDE ENOUGH BUFFER SPACES THAT EVEN AT THE AVERAGE AND DURING THE PEAK HOUR, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL OUT AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF A TRAFFIC COME TOGETHER THAT WOULD COST.
I'VE, I'VE FREQUENT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND FAST FOODS AND EVERYTHING TACO BELL HAVE ARE, WILL THERE BE ANY AT ATTENDANTS OUT THERE, PARKING ATTENDANTS LIKE THEY HAVE IN, IN SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT I'VE VISITED WHERE THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES OUT THERE THAT DIRECT? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR YOU DUNNO? WELL, THE WAY WE OPERATE, OBVIOUSLY OUR, OUR PRIORITY IS THE, THE CUSTOMER.
YOU KNOW, WE DESIGN THESE THINGS, WE HAVE TO APPLY HERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE HAVE CUSTOMERS WHO CAN'T ADEQUATELY GET IN AND OUT AND GET SERVICED, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FREQUENT US.
THEY'RE HAVING AT TACO BELL, PEOPLE HAVE AN EXPECTATION.
NOW THERE, THERE'S TIMES OF EVERYWHERE WHERE IT'S, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR GRAND OPENINGS FOR OUR PEAK, THERE'LL BE FOUR MANAGERS OUT THERE OPERATING WELL.
BUT SO, SO IT, IT IS THE NEED BE BASIS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART OKAY.
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ITSELF REALLY WELL.MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S SOUTHWESTERN, IT'S A BUSY, BUSY, WELL, WELL WE OWN, WE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE OWN THE KFC ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I KNOW WHAT WAS REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS WAS WHEN, WHEN EVERYBODY, WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, TO BE HONEST, WHEN WE LAID THIS OUT OUT, WE LAID IT OUT FIRST AND FOREMOST OPERATIONALLY.
'CAUSE WE OPERATE OVER A THOUSAND RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND THE LA AS A FRANCHISEE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS FOR THE CUSTOMER.
SO WE WERE TOTALLY BLINDSIDED OURSELVES.
DIDN'T TAKE A, A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE SITUATION AS TO WHY WE'RE BACK WITH THE REVISION.
WE WERE NOT IN THE AREA DURING THE COVID TIMES.
WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THE, THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT WE TOOK VERY SERIOUS WHEN WE LEFT WAS THAT WAS GOOD INFORMATION.
UH, WE WORKED WITH EVERYBODY THERE.
WE ALSO HIRED PEOPLE TO TAKE OBSERVATIONS ON A DAILY BASIS OF THE ACTUAL WELLNESS CENTER IN THE AREA, HOW IT OPERATES TODAY.
AND I, I PERSONALLY AT TIMES SAT THERE DURING OUR PEAK PERIOD FOR AN HOUR JUST SITTING AT THAT STOP SIGN AS IT'S DESIGNED ON IT, DOING PAPERWORK, WORKING ON MY COMPUTER.
'CAUSE I WANTED TO GET A FEEL OF WHAT TO SIMULATE IN MY MIND BECAUSE I SEE THESE THINGS EVERY DAY AND HOW THEY OPERATE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DO THE BACKDOOR THINGS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA LET SOMEBODY IN, SOMEBODY'S GOT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
BUT WE TRY TO INTERNALLY OUR MANAGERS OR GENERAL MANAGERS WHO RUN IT, THEY KNOW WHEN SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE WAY THEY KNOW IT, THE CARS LEAVE THE WINDOW AND THAT CAR'S NOT LEAVING THE WINDOW.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN BACK OF IT THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE CORRECT.
I'VE WENT TO THE SITE AND I STOOD BY THIS.
BUT YOU'RE TO COMPARE THE KFC'S DIFFERENT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PARKING LOT AREA.
I CAN GO IN IN LOWE'S AND KFCI CAN DRIVE ANYWHERE AROUND, THERE'S AN ANOTHER EXIT.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT.
IT IS AND IT ISN'T BECAUSE ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
BUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WELLNESS CENTER AT COVID IN THE PAST DOESN'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT WE WERE ENVISIONING THAT NIGHT.
WE WERE TREATING THIS, THAT FIRST APPLICATION WHERE EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT COVID TIMES WHERE EVERYBODY HAD TO BE THERE, THERE BEFORE NOON TO GET THEIR, THEIR TESTING OR ELSE.
BUT AFTER THAT, AND, AND THE FREQUENCY THAT I WAS THERE, IT'S MAYBE TWO CARS AN HOUR IN AND OUT OF THERE.
BUT WITH THE KFC ACROSS THE STREET, THE THROAT TO EXIT, YOU'RE ALSO EXITING A LOWE'S AND ALL THE SHOPPING CENTER INTO WHAT, ALMOST THE SAME SIZE THROAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE NOT CROSSING TRAFFIC AND YOU CAN EXIT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RIGHT.
WHAT I, WHAT I CAN SAY IS IF, IF YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP, YOU CAN ADD, YOU KNOW, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE JUST TO KIND OF HELP.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO A LONG WAY.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, BUT DO WE, WE EXPLAIN IT VERY WELL AND ALL I SAW WITH TIM HORTONS AND, AND NO, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT YOUR FEEDBACK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR OPERATION.
NO, I'M NOT YOUR OWN CUSTOMER TOO.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT THIS, BUT YOU'RE KIND GOOD FEEDBACK.
SO, SO YEAH, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, LIKE RIGHT ON THIS CORNER, ADD SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, JUST KIND OF DIRECTING, COME IN AND OUT, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DISTINCT AND DIRECTION AS TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR GOAL IS IN THAT RESTAURANT.
IN THAT RESPECT, WOULD YOU PROVIDE US A, A PAINTING STRIPING LAYOUT AND MAYBE AFTER YOU WE GET, OR MAYBE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD HAS RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW YOU MAY WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT THERE'S TWO LANES IN THAT AREA IT LOOKS LIKE AROUND THE BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE WHERE YOU HAVE LITTLE CAR ON THE ENTRANCE MM-HMM
THERE'S STILL ANOTHER LANE BETWEEN IT IN THE BUILDING.
SO, SO I, THERE THERE IS A STRIPING GOING ALL THE WAY.
JUST LIKE SEPARATING THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THE OTHER, UM, ONE THING WE'RE NOT SHOWING IS ANY SORT OF ARROWS, YOU KNOW, NO GO IN TERMS OF, UM, PEOPLE PULLING IN DIRECTLY INTO HERE.
UM, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE A, WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE A SOLID STANDARD FOUR INCH WIDE STRIKE GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, DELINEATING THE DRIVE AND THE BYPASS FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
I THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF EITHER A SIGN OR PAINTING TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME IN WHERE THAT CAR IS NOW ENGINE JUST CUT ACROSS BOTH LANES AND OBSTRUCT EVERYBODY.
IT WILL HAPPEN INEVITABLY REGARDLESS OF SIGNAGE AT SOME POINT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SCENARIO THAT YOU WANNA AVOID.
SO HAVING THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE AND, AND PAINTING AND I WOULD DEFER TO WHATEVER THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD COMES BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.
SO, SO WE DO ADD THE LINE, BUT YEAH, I, I DEFINITELY AGREE.
CAN WE STAY INSIDE? IS THERE A CUSTOMER? CAN YOU SOMEBODY GO INSIDE? NO, MAN.
WHO, HOW MANY SEATS? I BELIEVE WE'RE, THIS IS THE NEW ONE.
I, I DIDN'T HOW, HOW MANY SEATS? I BELIEVE IT'S INSIDE, INSIDE.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S THE PARKING? RIGHT
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ALONG HERE NOW THERE ARE THREE HERE.THIS WOULD PRIMARILY BE FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE 13 SPACES RIGHT HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE DOOR BUMP OUT IS AT NUMBER EIGHT.
THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE A STRIPED CROSSWALK HERE, UH, A RAMP AND THEN OKAY.
SO THEY HAVE TO CUT THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH LINE WITH THE NEW LONG DRIVE THROUGH TO ACCESS THE DOOR.
CURRENTLY THAT I DON'T THINK'S CHANGED.
AND THAT WOULD, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE 10 CARS TO BACK UP TO THE, TO THE CROSSWALK ANYWAY.
I THINK IT'S, I, I, I'LL, I'LL SAY SINCE OUR LAST TIME HERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OTHER LAYOUTS AND JUST LIKE I SAID, BASED ON THE CYCLE ORIENTATION AND SIZE CONSTRAINTS, IT, IT, WE JUST, THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SHIFTING THE BUILDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT WE NE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING THAT MANAGED TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THIS LAYOUT AND STILL KEPT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, WELL, ONE, WITHIN THE VARIANCES AND TWO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A, THESE NUMBER OF STACKING STANCES AND, AND B THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
AND YOU'LL GET ME THAT LETTER FROM YOUR TRAFFIC PEOPLE WHEN IT'S READY.
UM, AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT ENTERING.
COMING FROM, UH, HEADING WEST LEFT INTO THE PARKING LOT.
SO COMING DOWN HERE OVER, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, YOU DO TRAFFIC STUDIES, UH, DONE ON THAT.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT, BUT CERTAINLY LEFT ACROSS, UH, EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THEN.
AND I MEAN IT'S PRETTY MUCH KEEPING THE SAME SIDE INTERSECTION.
THERE, THERE'S ON SOUTHWESTERN RIGHT WHERE THAT ENTERED, WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A LEFT TURN ARROW.
BUT STILL MY, MY MAJOR CONCERN IS I, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE BUILDING AND, AND THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S GONNA PREVENT TRAFFIC BACKING UP IN THAT CURB LANE ON SOUTHWESTERN.
I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY SHARP TURN GOING IN THERE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN COMING IN THROUGH HERE.
NO, NO, IT, IT, IT IS A BIT TIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, THEN AGAIN, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHY WE HAD THAT
WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA CAUSE ANY DAMAGE, DAMAGE TO ANYBODY'S CARS.
THE VEHICLE WE USED WAS LIKE, NO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS LOT IS BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE THAT.
UN UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, THE KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PULL IN, YOU GOT THE LIGHT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MANAGES YOUR TRAFFIC COMING IN.
SO YOU'RE NOT BACKING UP OUT INTO THE STREET.
YOU HANG A LEFT, YOU STILL GOT PLENTY OF ROOM BEFORE YOU TURN INTO THE ACTUAL DRIVE FOR THE KFC.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M TRYING TO VISUAL AND IT'S TOUGH WITH THAT BUILDING THERE NOW TO VISUALIZE THAT LOT WITHOUT IT.
BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WELL I THINK IF THEY REDUCED THE STACKING ON THEIR DIAGRAM TO EIGHT, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT MORE SPACE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SORT OF TRYING TO LIKE IGNORE THOSE TWO.
IF YOU, SO YOU IGNORE THOSE TWO ON THE END BECAUSE THEY SAID THE, THE AVERAGE, THE PEAK IS EIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE AVERAGE THEN.
SOMETIMES THEY'LL BE A 10 MINUS SEVEN OR THERE MAY BE OCCASIONALLY A 10, BUT NOT SO, SO IF WE DO ELIMINATE THOSE FROM EDGE OF MARKING TWO FACING CURVE, WE'VE GOT 26 PEOPLE AT IT.
WHICH IS, I BELIEVE STANDARD FOR AERIAL ACCESS IS MINIMUM THAN 24.
SO, SO IF YOU ELIMINATE THOSE TWO, THE SPACE TO MAKE THAT TURN IS A LOT BIGGER.
SO THE ONLY TIME IT'S REALLY EVER GONNA BE A PROBLEM IS IF THEY HAVE MORE THAN 50% HIGHER THAN THEIR AVERAGE PEAK AMOUNT.
SO, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I I DOUBT THAT HAPPENS VERY OFTEN.
IT IS, IT IS HARD TO VISUALIZE.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST A, IT'S A DIFFICULT PARCEL TO DEVELOP AND I'M SORT OF WRESTLING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE I'M, NONE OF US WANNA REPLICATE THE TWO WORDS IN THE VILLAGE OF THE SITUATION.
AND, AND WE HAD, AND WE HAD THE ONE WITH THE SITUATION WITH THE STARBUCKS BACKING UP ONTO, UH, ONTO CAMP.
BUT HOW DO WE MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL AS TO WHETHER THIS MATCHES IT OR NOT? IT'S AN UNUSUAL SHAPE TO PARCEL.
IT REALLY LIMITS SOME OF WHAT YOU CAN DO THERE.
SO IF SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO, THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON SOUTHWESTERN THERE RIGHT? ON THAT SIDE, SOUTHWESTERN.
SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WALK YEP.
HOW DO THEY COME ACROSS FROM THE SIDEWALK? SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS TO THE CROSSWALK AND THERE WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE SIDEWALK THAT GOES THEATER AND A BIKE RACK ON THIS CORNER.
AND THEN THAT WOULD CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THE CROSSWALK THAT COMES AROUND.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY WERE AT WELL NOW AND
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WAITED A WHILE AND THEN NEED, WANTED TO GRAB A QUICK DINNER AND DIDN'T WANNA MOVE THEIR CAR, CAN THEY WALK FROM WELL NOW AND HOW WOULD THAT WORK TO GET FROM? WELL NOW, UM, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE THEIR CAR.WELL I, I I I, I DUNNO THAT, I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST.
IF IT WAS ME AND I WAS HANGRY, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE WALKED FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
WELL NOW TO THE TACO, I, I WILL SAY I, I, I CANNOT OFF OFFHAND REMEMBER WHAT THE SIDEWALK SITUATION FROM THE WELL NOW TO THE MAIN SIDEWALK LOOKS LIKE.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING, UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING, THE IDEA WOULD BE THEY COULD WALK DOWN OVER YEAH.
AND AROUND A LITTLE BIT OF A WALK.
BUT, UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DIRECT.
UM, IF THEY WERE DIDN'T WANNA MOVE THEIR CARDS, THEN WE COULD COME DOWN, JUST TURN INTO HERE AND GO RIGHT TO, IT'S NOT THAT CLOSE TO A WALK.
I MEAN, WELL NOW HAS FOUR STALLS OUT FRONT.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THE STALLS ARE OUT BACK IN FRONT.
SO IF YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR AND WALK THAT IT, IT, IT APPEARS TO BE CLOSE MAYBE ON A DRAWING, BUT IT'S NOT VERY CLOSE.
THERE'S LIKE A WEIRD GAP BETWEEN WHERE THEIR PARKING SPACES ARE AND WHERE THAT TURN POINT IS.
IT'S A, DEPENDS HOW MUCH YOU LIKE TOWN.
AND THERE'S A REALLY BIG TREE THERE THAT THEY WANTED US TO CUT DOWN AND WE SAID NO, IT'S AT LEAST LIKE 150, 200 FEET IN THE MONTH I STEPS IN
SO WHAT IS THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING SITUATION IN YOUR LOT? AND WHERE ARE THE LIGHTING? WHERE'S THE LIGHTING PLACE IN? SO AT THE MOMENT, UM, WE, I OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING.
WE DO HAVE THE LIGHT HOLES SHOWING NOW.
UM, WE HAVE A LIGHT POST HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
UM, AND ONE OVER HERE AND THEN ANOTHER RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T HAVE THE PHOTO METRICS ON THIS DRAWING.
IF I WAS WALKING MY 200 FEET IN THE DARK, THERE IS LIGHTING FROM, THERE IS LIGHTING.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS? EIGHT EIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.
NO, THE BREAKFAST, BREAKFAST STARTS AT SEVEN.
DIDN'T TACO BELL USED TO BE OPEN AT LIKE TWO IN THE MORNING WAS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS YEAH.
LEMME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE RULES STATION WHERE YOU SHOW THE VEHICLE
IT, IT THEN TO, TO GET TO THE SPOT NUMBER 10 ON THERE, IT THEN MAKES THE LEFT HAND TURN ACROSS THE, OR HERE'S A OVER THE, THE LANE AGAIN.
SO YEAH, SO THEY, THEY WOULD COME IN, FILTER IN, SO IT'S NOT STACK ALL WAY UP.
AND THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A SMOOTH TRANSITION, IT'S JUST YOU'VE GOTTA SLIDE OVER.
I I MEAN FROM THIS POINT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, HANG LEFT AND THEN WRAP AROUND.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT TO POP IN RIGHT HERE.
WE DID KEEP THE RADIUS A BIT LARGER OVER HERE TO PROBABLY A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM IN THIS, IN THIS TURN LANE.
SO IF SOMEBODY DID COME ACROSS AND WE'RE HANGING OUT A LITTLE BIT, THERE SHOULD BE AT, AT A MINIMUM 12 FEET IF NOT MORE FOR PEOPLE
BUT IT SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T, THE WAY WE HAVE IT, IT SHOULDN'T AFFECTED ARE, ARE YOUR DELIVERIES IN SMALLER TRUCKS OR SEMIS? HOW DO YOU GET YOUR DELIVERY ALL DIFFERENT? ALL DIFFERENT.
IF IT, IF IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE, THE LARGE TRUCK IN, THEN THEY MAKE DELIVERIES ONCE A WEEK.
IF THEY, IF THE TRUCK COMPANY IT IS OUR COMPANY WHO MANAGES IT, IF THE, THEY FEEL IT'S GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE DIFFICULT TO GO TO A SMALLER TRUCK AND GO TWICE A WEEK.
IF IT'S EVEN SOMETIMES A SMALLER TRUCK YOU GO FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
IT'S ALL DO THEY MAKE IT WORK? I MEAN, I'M CHECK OUT.
ARE THEY GONNA DELIVER WHILE YOU'RE OPEN OR THEY, THEY COME IN OFF HOURS AND DELIVER LIKE SOME STORES DO OR, BECAUSE MY CON I MEAN, YOU GOTTA PULL A SEMI IN THERE, YOU'RE DEAD FOR THE DAY.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY NORMALLY MAKE THEIR DELIVERIES EITHER DURING OUR OFF PEAK HOURS OR WHEN, OR OR WHEN WE'RE CLOSED.
BUT HERE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE OFF PEAK HOURS.
WE DO HAVE A WB 55 SEMI COMING THROUGH, HOWEVER, THAT'S IN OUR OPINION, WORST CASE SCENARIO.
BUT REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE CARE WHEN YOU GOT CARS LOCKED.
EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY RUN INTO PROBLEMS AND THEY CAN'T DO IT, THEN I, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY SHIFT TO A SMALLER TRUCK AND MAKE IT WORK ONE DAY.
GO, I MEAN I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY DO MUCH OF A BREAKFAST.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY SERVE BREAKFAST.
IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE, THAT CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE BREAKFAST IS GOING RIGHT NOW, BREAKFAST, YOU SEE THE, I MEAN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DRIVES THE BREAKFAST IS THAT YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE IN THE MORNING PREPARING THE FOOD FOR LUNCH.
SO THEY'RE THERE AND THE CUSTOMERS ARE ASKING.
SO YOU DO GET PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH FOR AN EGG SANDWICH AND COFFEE AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE PUTTING THEM WORK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MORE THINGS THAT WE, WE, WE
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RESEARCHED BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS AND WE USED ALL THE DATA FOR OUR RESTAURANTS OUT HERE.IT'S MATTER OF FACT, WE GOT ONE OPENING UP NEXT WEEK IN, IN NORTH TOWANDA IS AGAIN, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE DINING ROOM.
WE WE'RE, WE MAX OUT ABOUT 22.
YOU ASKED FOR 40 NO RESTAURANT THAT HAS 40 SEATS, FITS 40 SEATS.
YOU ALWAYS GET ONE PERSON SITTING AT A TABLE.
SO OUR SEATING DURING MAX IS ABOUT 22 SEATS.
SO THEREFORE AT THE 22 SEATS, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 10 TO 12 CARS, WHICH IS THEIR MAX.
BECAUSE UNLESS YOU COME BY YOURSELF, 70% OF OUR BUSINESS IS DRIVE THROUGH AND EIGHT CARS IS OUR MAXIMUM STACK.
SO IN LAYING THIS OUT, I THINK WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, AND WE DID A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, WAS KIND OF SUPPORT DATA INFORMATION ON THE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE WE'RE SAYING SHOEHORNING AND SHOEHORNING IT TO ME WOULD'VE BEEN IF WE WOULD'VE TRIED TO, THE EIGHTH CAR WAS STICKING OUT OF THE, THE DRIVEWAY.
AND IF THE PARKING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY PARKING STALLS, BUT WE OPTIMIZED IT OUT, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT AN EMPLOYER TO GO THERE.
AND, AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE ADDRESSED TOO, WHICH WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WAS WE LEFT THE LAST MEETING, WAS THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE FROM THE WELLNESS AND THE TACO OF EXIT TOGETHER.
AND I THOUGHT, UH, RYAN AND HIS GROUP DID A GREAT JOB BECAUSE IF IT, IF THERE IS SOME THING OR PEAK, NOBODY'S BEING IMPACTED BECAUSE IT'S LIKE SITTING AT A STOPLIGHT, A STOP SIGN WAITING TO MAKE AN ADEQUATE LEFT TO GET OUT.
AND EVEN IF THERE'S FIVE CARS PER FOOT SAFE WAITING TO GET OUT, IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT.
AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, UM, THAT PEOPLE CAN, DON'T HAVE TO LIKE, FEEL LIKE THEY GOTTA CUT SOMEBODY OFF TO GET OUT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO THAT THROAT THAT'S THERE NOW, THEY'RE EITHER GONNA WAIT FOR THE LIGHT TO MAKE A LEFT OR MAKE A RIGHT.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S YOUR DUMPSTER? UH, IN THE BACK AREA.
AND THAT'S A, HOW IS IT AN EIGHT YARD OR HOW BIG IS IT? IT'S, I, IT'S, I THINK IT'S TWO EIGHT YARDERS, ONE FOR CARDBOARD.
AND WHAT? AND THEY, AND THEY'RE ALL WITHIN A CLOSED CORRAL AND THE, THE EMPLOYER TAKES IT OUT.
WASTE MANAGEMENT, WHOEVER IT IS.
UM, IT DOESN'T IMPEDE TRAFFIC.
UH, IT, IT SHOULDN'T, I MEAN,
YEAH, THEY, WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M MEANT.
GOTTA BE AFTER 10 OR BEFORE SEVEN.
DID THEY COMING STRAIGHT? I'M NOT GONNA COME IN THERE IN THE MORNING FOR A MORNING NO TACO.
AND I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS GUY TO DUMP DRIVE.
THE DUMP TRUCK WANTS TO GET A BREAKFAST TIME.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING JUST YEAH, NO, NO, YOU'RE, IT'S IN MY HEAD.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF ONE IN NORTHTOWN ONE? I'D LIKE TO TAKE IT RIGHT UP AND LOOK AT THAT.
IT'S, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UM, THE, THE WALMART THERE.
AND WILL, WHAT'S YOUR BUILDING THERE? RIGHT? DONE THERE? OH YES.
WHERE IT'S OPENING UP NEXT WEEK.
NOW THAT ONE IS A, A LOT WHERE WE HAVE A KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN AND A KFC OR, UH, TACO OPENING THING, ONE DAY PART THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP ME, BUT I'LL GO ANYWAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVE THROUGH, SEE ALL THE OPERATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
THEY'RE BOTH OPENING AT THE SAME TIME,
OH, SO IT'S GONNA BE BUSIER THAN EVEN THIS YEAH.
IT'S CRAZY'S THE TACO LOT BECAUSE NEW FOR YOU, HORTON'S ON THE CORNER AND A WALMART IN THE BACK AND THE BORDER'S OPEN NOW.
SO 70% OF THE BUSINESS COMES OVER WHEN THEY SHOP.
WHAT DAY ARE YOU OPENING THE 25TH? THE 25TH OF TUESDAY.
25TH IS KFC 26TH IS TACO BELL.
SO IF YOU GO THAT WEEKEND, UM, YOU GET TO SEE 'EM BOTH AND YEAH, LEMME JUST SEE HOW, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE EIGHT PEOPLE OUT IN THE PARKING LOT DIRECTING TRAFFIC.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT POINT YET.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE THOUGH.
IS THAT EVERYTHING FOR THE BOARD? I GUESS? THINK SO.
UNTIL THAT TRAFFIC STUDY COMES IN.
YOU KNOW, SO THIS TIME, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TACO BELL PROJECT? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR? UH, EMILY, UH, 3,700 SOULS ROAD.
I'M THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS ONE THAT IS AWFUL TIGHT
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TO TRY AND GET A WASTE MANAGEMENT TRUCK IN THERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A RESTAURANT FULL OF PEOPLE AND PARKING.JUST TO COMMENT, MY MY PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE IS YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE BUFFER ZONE, WHICH IS MY CONCERN BETWEEN YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND MY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I NEED A PERMANENT BARRIER THERE.
RIGHT NOW I HAVE A TEMPORARY FENCE THAT GETS ABUSED CONSTANTLY FROM SNOW BLOUSE.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR A PERMANENT BARRIER TO PREVENT ENCROACHMENT FROM SNOW BLOUSE? I MEAN, AS, AS IS WE'RE KEEPING IT, I BELIEVE.
AND YOU MENTIONED AT LEAST FIVE FEET OFF.
BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE PLOW, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT, THERES WELL, THERE THERE'S GONNA BE A CURVE AND THEN THAT, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE WITHIN THE CURVE THE NEXT, SO DO WE WANNA JUST TAKE THE COMMENTS? THERE'S GONNA BE A CURB.
THERE'S, THERE THERE'S A PROPOSED CURB ALL THE WAY UP.
SO WHAT PROGRESSIVE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON HOLD.
OH, IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH
ANYONE ELSE? UH, HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE, UH, TALK ABOUT BELL TACO? ANY ONLINE OR NO? UH, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THE TACO BELL BEING NONE AT THIS TIME? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WHEN DO YOU WANT COME BACK WITH THE TRAFFIC REPORT AND ANY OTHER OF THE THINGS,
DO YOU WANNA COME BACK? HAVE, UM, WE, WE CAN MAKE WHATEVER.
WE WOULD NEED IT NEXT WEEK, FRIDAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
WE NEED NEXT FOR THE FOLLOWING THAT AND
AS WELL AS ANY FENCING, MORE LANDSCAPING TO TRY AND ORDER.
SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE QUICK SERVICE RECO TO NOVEMBER 2ND.
AND THEN
UM, ARE WE GONNA GET, BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER IN THE MEETING YOU WERE GONNA TRY TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE WAITING TO GET SO WE CAN KIND OF GET HIM ALL IN? YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK TO HIM AFTER THE MEETING.
I WAS SAYING IS IF YOU HAD SOME IDEAS THAT YOU WANTED TO INTEGRATE, I, WE SHOULD PUT ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE, I THINK MY QUESTIONS WERE PRETTY WELL ANSWERED.
UH, MR. CHAPMAN'S QUESTION I THOUGHT WAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
UM, THEN I'M NOT CERTAIN HOW IT WAS ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR RESPONSE.
JUST CLARIFY WHICH KIND, JUST SO I HAVE FRESH MY MIND GETTING IN FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
TURNING RIGHT TURN, TURNING RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MAKING LIKE A HORSESHOE TURN.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WELL ACTUALLY, THAT THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ASKING.
SO, SO WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A VEHICLE MODEL TO, IN MAKING THAT TURN THAT AND WE USE A LARGER COMMERCIAL VEHICLE JUST TO, AND THEN, UM, HE'LL LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS FROM CURB TO THE FIRST TURN GOING IN AND, AND WHAT, SO FROM, FROM THIS FACE CURB TO ESSENTIALLY THE FACE, CURB SIDE AND WHAT ANGLE THEY'D HAVE TO TURN TO GET IN THERE.
SO WHICH ONE WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. BY BY BILL.
SO YOU'RE ON FOR THE 2ND OF NOVEMBER.
WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, I'M ALREADY, WHEN YOU TELL ME WHEN I'M ON IT, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IN THE BEGINNING, NUMBER THREE IS ASKED TO BE TABLED.
SO THAT WON'T BE HEARD TODAY IF ANYBODY WAS SITTING AROUND FOR THAT ONE.
UM, THOSE FIVE GUYS WERE READY FOR NUMBER THREE.
SO FIVE GUYS SOME PLACE, THE PLACE.
SO, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CLEAN FIBER REQUESTING SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 5,250 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 250 LAKE AVENUE BLA IN BLAZEDALE.
SO THE ONLY THING YOU ASKED FOR WERE, UH, RENDERINGS, WHICH I JUST GOT TODAY.
WE MARKED, UH, WHATEVER COLORS RIGHT, THE COLOR AND THE RENDERING OF EXISTING BUILDING IS PRETTY CLOSE TO ITS BUILDING THAT'S 72 YEARS OLD.
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IT'S GOT BOOTS.I DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH, I DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH CORRECTLY.
SO THE BUILDING IS AS, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, IS A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.
SO THAT, THAT COLOR IS CALLED SANDSTONE.
UM, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT COMPLIMENTS THE OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS AN OFFICE WHICH HAS A DRIVE, A FACADE THAT'S SANDSTONE AND EVERYTHING BEHIND OUR ADDITION IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY INDUSTRIAL, IT'S EXTREMELY INDUSTRIAL STEEL, STEEL MILL SIDING WITH PATCHWORK OR SIDING HAS DAMAGED OR ROTTED OUT OR RUSTED.
AND THAT MAY BE PAINTED ONE DAY.
YEAH, THAT'S THE INTENT IS WE'LL PAINT IT.
THE BRANDING
DOESN'T IMPEDE ANY TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING.
HOW WAS THE TOUR? SO LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, WE'RE WAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WAY BACK.
THEY HAVE SIDE ENTRANCES AND EXITS.
THEY, IT'S WAY FROM THE TRAFFIC.
IT'S, THERE'S NO REAL ANYTHING TO IMPEDE ANYWAY, SO THAT, SO BASICALLY A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, WE HAVE A THREE FOOT FOUR, UH, MASONRY WAINS COAT OF NATURAL GRAY BLOOD BLOCK SANDSTONE WELL PANEL, WHICH IS CALLED A REVERSE CLASSIC, WHICH IS JUST A TYPICAL KIND OF METAL BUILDING, COORDINATED, COORDINATED PANEL AND A AND A A GAL STANDING CEILING COVERS AND DOWNSPOUTS WILL MATCH.
IT'S VERY, LIKE I SAID, A VERY BENIGN STRUCTURE.
UTILITARIAN MADE TO SERVE A PURPOSE FOR A LARGE, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
NO REAL PEOPLE IN THERE PER SE.
PROBABLY ONE OPERATOR IN THERE, UH, FEEDING THIS EQUIPMENT.
WE'RE BASICALLY USING THIS AS A STORAGE BUILDING AND A, AND BASICALLY A HOPPER FOR THE PROCESS TO FEED INTO THE PLANT.
UM, OUR GROWTH AS A COMPANY, WE'VE RESUSCITATED THIS EXPANSION AND WE WILL HAVE ONE OPERATOR IN THAT BUILDING.
UH, BASIC RECEIVING RAW MATERIAL AND THEN LOADING IT INTO THE, THE PROCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? WHO HAS THE I DO NOTICE.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY CLEAN FIBER TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT TWO 50 LAKE AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 19TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CLEAN FIBER.
WAS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THE CLEAN FIBER EDITION FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THE CLEAN FIBER EDITION FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT BEING NONE? I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS, JUST GO INTO THOSE.
THE FIRST ONE HERE IS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION RESOLUTION.
SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK IT, IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK CLEAN FIBER PROJECT.
YES, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE'S SEEKER LAW, WHICH IN UH, WE ARE CONSIDERING THE CLEAN FIBER PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF 5,250 SQUARE FOOT.
ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 250 LAKE AVENUE, RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROJECT.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW AND INPUT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
NEXT WE HAVE THE CLEAN FIBER APPROVAL RESOLUTION
AND WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ACTION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING,
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RECEIVED NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS.NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THE PROJECT AND RECOMMENDS THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT ONCE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED OCTOBER 14TH, 2022 HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ASKED TO BE TABLED.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SURE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MINUTES.
CAN I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES IN THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE MARGO WASN'T ADDED.
SO IS THAT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS TYPES FOR THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING? FIFTH MEETING? SURE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY KAILYN.
OKAY, SO JENNIFER, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMETHING FOR OTHER BUSINESS? I DO.
SO PER UH, INDEPENDENT CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE MAJORITY OF YOU.
SORRY MAR I NEED TO, DO I DELETE THEM? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE.
BUT YOU WON'T BE INVOLVED DUE TO YOUR REFUSAL ON THE PROJECT.
BUT I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH EACH OF YOU REGARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ASKING THEM TO EVALUATE APPROPRIATE USES IN OUR CODE.
SO WE'VE PREPARED THAT RESOLUTION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND BILL, I CAN HELP WITH THE HANDWRITING.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE JUST BEEN HANDED A RESOLUTION.
WE TAKE A FEW SECONDS TO LOOK IT OVER AND THEN I HATE EVERY SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO I WILL, UH, IS, IS, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I WILL BEGIN READING THE RESOLUTION.
SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REGARDING CONSIDERATION OF ZONING CODE AMENDMENT.
IT'S LONG ONE WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS TOWN PLANNING BOARD HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS PLANNING BOARD, RECEIVED A SITE PLANNING APPLICATION, UH, HERE AND REFERRED TO AS APPLICATION FROM AL ASPHALT HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS APPLICANT DATED JUNE 4TH, 2019 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF AN ASPHALT PLANT CALLED HMA PLANT IN THE APPLICATION AND RELATED ACCESSORY USES HEREINAFTER REFERRED TO AS THE PROJECT AT 5 6 9 0 CAMP ROAD HEREINAFTER REFERRED TO AS THE SITE.
AND WHEREAS PURSUANT TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE AND THE ZONING MAP ADOPTED THERE UNDER THE SITE IS LOCATED IN AN AREA ZONED M TWO AND M THREE.
THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED IN AN AREA OF THAT SITE ZONED M THREE AND WHEREAS PURSUANT TO ZONING CODE SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 1 3 3 SUB A SUB 10 AND ASPHALT PLANT PROCESSING AND TREATMENT OF BITUMINOUS PRODUCTS IS PERMITTED IN THE M THREE DISTRICT SUBJECT TO CERTAIN LIMITATIONS OUTLINED IN SECTION TWO 80 DASH 1 33 C.
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AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND INITIATED THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER PROCESS BY CLASSIFYING THE ACTION AS AN UNLISTED ACTION AND COMMENCING A COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT.AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES AND TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND SUBSEQUENTLY ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES AS SECRET LEAD AGENCY.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF AN ASPHALT PLANT AT THE SITE MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2019.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT FROM THE APPLICANT ON MARCH 6TH, 2020, HELD A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING, RECEIVED INPUT FROM OTHER INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES AND ITS CONSULTANTS AND TOWN DEPARTMENTS, AND ISSUED A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT ON APRIL 29TH, 2020 AND, EXCUSE ME, WHEREAS OVER TWO YEARS HAVE PASSED SINCE THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT WAS ISSUED.
AND SINCE THAT TIME IT WAS THE PLANNING BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PURSUED THE PROJECT IN AN ALTERNATIVE JURISDICTION AND ABANDONED THE APPLICATION IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WHEREAS SINCE 2019 THE TOWN HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EVALUATING POTENTIAL ZONING CODE AND ZONING MAP REVISIONS INCLUDING ON INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES AND EVALUATING OTHER LAND USE ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
AND WHEREAS THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE TOWN HAS IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT IT VIEWS AS IMPROPERLY ZONED IN LIGHT OF CHANGES IN THE TOWN AND REGION SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IN 2008.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A PROPOSED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, HEREINAFTER REFERRED TO AS THE DEIS FROM THE APPLICANT ON AUGUST 5TH, 2022, INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOW DECIDED TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IN THE TOWN.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD WITH ASSISTANCE FROM ITS CONSULTANTS AND OTHER TOWN DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED DEIS TO DETERMINE ITS COMPLETENESS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
AND ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022 DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.9 OF THE SEEKER REGULATIONS THAT THE PROPOSED DEIS IS INCOMPLETE FOR COMMENCING PUBLIC REVIEW AND REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT MAKE REVISIONS TO THE DEIS AS DETAILED IN THE DOCUMENT TITLED INADEQUACIES DEFICIENCIES OF THE AL ASPHALT DEIS PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AT THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022 MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO ASSIST THE ACA APPLICANT WITH THE COMPLETION OF A REVISED DEIS SO THAT THE DEIS MAY MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC REVIEW NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS FOLLOWS, AS MORE THAN TWO YEARS HAVE ELAPSED BETWEEN THE PLANNING BOARD'S ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AND THE AUGUST, 2022 FILING OF THE DEIS FOR THE PROJECT.
AND IN THAT TIME, THE TOWN HAS BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING TO UPDATE ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH UPDATES INCLUDE EVALUATING POTENTIAL ZONING CODE AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, INCLUDING THIS, THIS SITE FOR AREAS THAT THE TOWN VIEWS AS IMPROPERLY ZONED IN LIGHT OF CHANGES IN THE TOWN AND REGION.
SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNING BOARD REQUIRES THE PLAN BOARD REQUESTS THAT THE TOWN BOARD REVIEW WHETHER THE USE OF AN ASPHALT PLANT AND THE PROCESSING AND TREATMENT OF BIT HUMANIST PRODUCTS REMAINS AN APPROPRIATELY PERMITTED USE IN THE TOWN.
I NOT SAY DOING THIS RIGHT, THE TWO MINUTES.
UH, SO THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY SECOND DENNIS.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR OTHER BUSINESS? NO.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN MEETING.
WELL, I'M NOT WAITING FOR DOUG.
CALL MOTION BY KAITLYN SECOND.
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BOB.