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SESSION TODAY.FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS PERENNIAL PROPERTIES, LLC, REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY HUNDRED 10 SEAT RESTAURANT AT 6 6 6 6 6.
SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY, UH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING.
CHRIS WOOD WITH CAR WOOD DESIGN FOR THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
ROSS IS ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE RESTAURANT PROPOSED RESTAURANT.
UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, AT 6 6 6 6, GONDA STATE ROAD IS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY A A LANDSCAPE NURSERY.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO KEEP PART OF THAT BUILDING DEMOLISH PORTION OF IT AND PUT A TWO STORY ADDITION ON, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S 110 SEATS.
THERE IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT FOR THE NURSERY.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO PAVE THAT PARKING LOT.
WE DO NEED A FRONT YARD PARKING SETBACK FROM UH, SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
UH, CURRENTLY THE PARKING LOT EXTENDS OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE GONNA PULL IT BACK, BUT WE STILL NEED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA GO TO ZBA, UM, FRONTS OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE TWO PATIOS LOCATED IN THE FRONT.
UM, SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE STREET, THE SIDEWALK IT CURRENTLY IS ON GO ON STATE ROAD.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I HANDED OUT SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
THE COLORED PICTURE IN THE CORNER IS KIND OF AN INSPIRATION OF THE, OF THE MATERIALS AND THE, THE FIELD OF BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ELEVATIONS ARE THE ACTUAL BUILDING S YOUR CANFIELD NURSERY.
AND THEY'RE GONNA KEEP, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THAT PART OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS THE SURVEY, UM, YOU SEE WE'RE GONNA KEEP, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE BACK CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE FRONT PORTION OF THE GREENHOUSE THAT THAT'LL BE GONE.
THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE GREENHOUSE IN THE BACK FOR NOW.
THEY MAY, UH, ACTUALLY GROW SOME OF THE, THEY'RE GONNA GROW SOME OF THE, THE VEGETABLES AND WHATNOT TO THE RESTAURANT IN THERE.
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NOW, THEY'RE JUST GONNA KEEP THAT GREENHOUSE IN THE BACK.CHRIS, THE ONE BIG QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN OUR MEMO IS THAT THEY DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAW AND THE C ONE DISTRICT DELIVERED THEM SERVING UP ALL WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL.
ARE YOU GREATER THAN 500 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT? I BELIEVE WE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS BEHIND.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTED.
THERE'S ALSO A RESTRICTION ON, ON LIVE MUSIC AND WHATEVER.
SO WE GONNA SEE ONE DISTRICT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR SMALLER, SO WE'LL HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN, BILL PLANNING BOARD.
JUST GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION, ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT BEFORE THEY DECIDE TO SUBMIT A FULL SITE PLAN.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA GET A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ONE QUESTION ABOUT BEING A CORNER LOT, WHICH, WHICH IS THE FRONT, WHICH IS THE BACK.
UM, IN IT'S 40 SPOTS, THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR 110 SEATS.
IT'S ALWAYS A STICKY QUESTION ON OUR PART.
'CAUSE IF WE ASK FOR MORE PARKING, THAT TAKES AWAY GREEN SPACE.
HOW, UM, HOW MANY STAFF DO THEY ANTICIPATE APPROXIMATELY AT ANY GIVEN TIME? SORRY, ROSS, WE'RE WRONG GONNA BE SHOP OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT.
UM, STAFF MEMBERS, UH, IN ANY GIVEN SHIFT WILL, WILL RANGE FROM EIGHT TO 12.
SO WHAT YOU'LL DO IS SUBMIT YOUR REASONING WHY YOU NEED X AMOUNT OF SPACES.
IT IS THE PLANNING BOARD DECISION ON THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE, BASED UPON GENERAL PRINCIPLES AND WHATEVER.
BUT SUBMIT YOUR REASONING WHY THIS IS ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR YOU.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I KNOW WITH THE, UM, THE WATER BELLY IN THERE WAS ALWAYS PEOPLE PARKING OUT ON THE STREET.
UM, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT KIND OF CAREFULLY.
'CAUSE THAT ALWAYS SEEMED KIND OF DANGEROUS TO ME.
AND THIS, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED THAN, THAN THIS ONE WAS.
SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CLIENTELE ALSO POTENTIALLY.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
WE'RE GONNA SEND PEOPLE TO END UP PARKING ON SOUTH CREEK.
THERE IS, THERE IS A, IF THEY PARK ON SOUTH CREEK, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD GRAY CHANGE.
DON'T MAKE THE, DON'T MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE RESTAURANT.
GOING BACK OUT MIGHT BE A TOUGH CLIMB UP THE HILL.
SO THERE'S ONLY ONE VARIANCE FOR PARKING.
DO YOU NEED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR BOOZE THEN? WHAT DO THEY DO ABOUT THE ALCOHOL? I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU HAD SAID THAT THERE'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERPRETATION BY THE, BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
BUT IF THEY'RE AROUND, THAT MAY BE A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN'T DO WHAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDER, BUT MOST PROBABLY IF THEY'RE WITHIN 500 FEET, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD APPEAL.
AND WHETHER THAT IS A VARIANCE OF A BULK VARIANCE OR A USE VARIANCE, THAT'S THE DECISION INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IF THEY WANT TO SERVE ALCOHOL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME SORT OF VARIANCE OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
I MEAN THERE, THERE IS PRECEDENT BECAUSE THERE IS THE BAR NEXT DOOR.
I MEAN, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT CURRENTLY OPEN THAT WAS THERE, IS THIS COVERED AT ALL UNDER THE NEW, UH, CODE OVERLAY THING? FOR WHAT? YOU KNOW, THE NEW CODES THAT YOU GUYS JUST WENT THROUGH AND APPROVED? OH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, YEAH, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE CODES, WE DIDN'T MAKE CHANGES TO THE C ONE DISTRICT, C ONE DISTRICT AS IT IS C ONE, AS YOU READ THE INTENT OF THE C ONE DISTRICT.
IT DOES ALLOW RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT PUTS MORE RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
IF YOU'RE IN A C TWO DISTRICT, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON ALCOHOL SALES OR WHATEVER.
C ONE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SCALE COM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL AREAS SOMETIMES.
SO THERE'S PROTECTIONS OFFERED TO SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICTS AND USES.
SO, SO IS THIS FACING THE REAR? SO IS THIS LIKE, WELL YOU MISSED THE ONE, THE FIRST PART.
THAT PICTURE IS JUST AN INSPIRATION OF GOT THE MATERIALS IN THE FIELD OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
CAN I LETTING HAVE A RESTAURANTS LIKE A WHAT'S THAT? I SAID LETTING
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ROBS HAVE A RESTAURANT IS LIKE A GYM OF AN ADDITION TO THIS TOWN.YEAH, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST IN A QUICK SNAPSHOT.
THIS HAS BEEN MY LIFE CULMINATION OF ALL MY TRAINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE PIPE DREAM OF A RESTAURANT.
UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN HAMBURG.
UM, HAVE FOUND MYSELF TRAVELING THE WORLD AND RETURNING HOME 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WHERE MY HEART LIES.
UM, AND TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BE HERE IN, IN OUR TOWN AND VILLAGE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, SHARE THE, MY LOVE AND PASSION OF COOKING AND GOING FROM GROWING IT TO PRODUCING IT AND THEN TO SERVING OTHERS TO GIVE 'EM A MEMORABLE MEAL AND EXPERIENCE.
UH, THAT'S QUITE A CONNECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SET OUT TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, 15, 16 YEARS AGO.
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I LOVE THAT LITTLE SPOT RIGHT THERE.
AGAIN, THE RESTAURANT NAME IS GONNA BE POSED TO BE PERENNIAL, UH, RESTAURANT PAYING HOMAGE TO WHAT THE BUSINESS WAS FOR 40 YEARS.
IT WAS A LONG LANDSCAPE BUSINESS AND PERENNIALS, THEY MAKE IT THROUGH A HARSH WINTER AND THEY RE THEY REJUVENATE THE NEXT SPRING AND, AND CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS IN THE MISSION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT THAT PLACE.
UH, ANY OTHER INPUT THAT WE THINK BEFORE THEY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, UH, FULL SITE PLAN AND BILL? AS YOU SAID, THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THEM GETTING AN INTERPRETATION FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
WHAT KIND OF VARIANCE THEY NEED.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT ONE, BUT YEAH.
SO THEY'LL COME, GO TO THE ZONING BOARD BEFORE THEY WOULD COME BACK HERE.
WELL FIRST THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ALLOWS TO MAKE A, MAKE A DECISION.
YOU, THEY'VE MADE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, WE POINTED OUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TYPE OF VARIANCE THEY'RE GONNA NEED.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE DO THEY PURSUE THAT VARIANCE IF THEY PURSUE THAT VARIANCE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'VE TALKED TO THE BUILDING, DEPART HIM TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT STUFF COMES TO THE PLANNING BOARD FIRST.
THAT INVOLVES SLATE PLAN APPROVAL OR WHATEVER BEFORE GOING TO ZONING BOARD APPEALS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GIVING DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT, YOU SEE AN ISSUE WITH THEM PROVIDING SOME SORT OF VARIANCE.
THERE'S TWO VARIANCES WE'VE, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER HERE.
I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES.
I MEAN CB A'S GONNA MAKE THEIR DECISION, BUT RIGHT.
WHAT I WOULD SAY FOR EXAMPLE IS IF THEY'RE GONNA GIVE A VARIANCE ON THE, UH, ON THE SETBACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT THE NEIGHBORS BE MADE AWARE, THE NEIGHBORS SAY, OKAY, DO WE NEED A EXTRA LARGE FENCE OR SOMETHING? 'CAUSE TYPICALLY WITH ALCOHOL SALES OR WHATEVER, IS THERE SOME FORM OF MITIGATION THAT YOU COULD PUT TO PROTECT THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS? I MEAN THEY, AS YOU SAID, THEY SHOULD BE USED TO IT.
THERE HAS BEEN ALCOHOL SALES AT A RESTAURANT HERE BEFORE, BUT IT'S JUST THE LAW HAS THE LAW NOW YOU GOTTA FOLLOW THE LAW.
WHO, WHO'S GONNA DO SEEKER Z? I'M ZVA OR YOU GUYS? UH, IT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET ME KNOW IF IT'S A SETBACK VARIANCE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO SEEKER OR THE PLANNING BOARD.
IF THEY DETERMINE IT'S A USE VARIANCE, THEN IT'S GOTTA COME BACK HERE.
WE'LL PROBABLY DO SECRET FOR YOU.
I THINK WHAT IS THE, THE MOST RECENT MEMO SAYS THAT THE CORRECT PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN AND ZONING BOARD CHAIRMAN WILL TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEP.
SO, SO FIRST WE GOT A DECISION IN WHETHER IT'S A AREA BULK VARIANCE OR IS IT A, OR IS IT A USE VARIANCE.
ANY OTHER ISSUES, QUESTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE PERENNIAL PROPERTIES LLC MOTION BY BID.
WAS IT TABLE? OKAY? WE DON'T HAVE A DATE BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND SUBMIT A FULL SKETCH PLAN BEFORE IT COME BACK, SO WE DON'T HAVE A DATE.
UH, NEXT ON THE, UH, THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG.
LAKESHORE OVERSEES VETERANS INCORPORATED REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW METAL STORAGE BUILDING AT 2 95 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
SO THE QUESTION WE'VE GOTTA DECIDE FIRST IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER, WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO TO COURT ENFORCEMENT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
FOR THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, BILL WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE FORM BUILDING, INSPECTION AND ENGINEERING HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
WE NOTICED IT WAS A, IT IS A STORAGE BUILDING FOR EXISTING USE.
IT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT YOU COULD DO IT AS A SITE PLAN WAIVER, BUT IN THOSE CASES WHERE IT'S BORDERLINE, WE'D LIKE TO BRING IT TO YOU FIRST TO FIND OUT IF YOU WOULD AGREE WITH A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
INSTEAD OF US SITTING IN A CLOSED ROOM AND SAYING, HEY, THIS SHOULD BE A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
DO YOU GUYS AGREE THAT THIS, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES OR WHATEVER THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? YOU ALL KNOW I'LL LET THE GENTLEMAN TALK.
YOU KNOW WHAT ALL WHERE THE FACILITY IS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE A DRAWING IN FRONT OF YOU? DRAWING?
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SO MY TWO QUESTIONS.HOW BIG IS THE BUILDING AND WHERE IS IT GONNA GO SPECIFICALLY? IS IT GONNA GO ON SOMEPLACE THAT'S CURRENTLY GRASS OR SOMEPLACE THAT'S CURRENTLY PAVED? IT'S PAVED.
YOU WANNA SEE THAT THERE'S EVEN HAVE SOME DRAWINGS OF WHAT THE BUILDING MAY LOOK LIKE.
AND HERE'S A LARGER SITE PLAN.
I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE HERE, BUT WHAT I'M DOING IS WE'RE GONNA DO A SITE PLAN.
WHAT BASIC STORE HERE? YOU PARDON ME? WHAT TYPE, WHAT TYPE STORAGE? OUR EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL PIECES OF, UH, MOTORIZED EQUIPMENT AND, UH, LAWNMOWERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT PUT IN THERE THAT WE CAN USE OUR SMALL GARAGE AS A SHOP TO FIX EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S GONNA HAVE ELECTRIC IN IT, BUT THERE'S NO HEAT? NO, UH, THAT'S IT.
IT'S GOT, WE WILL PUT ELECTRIC IN IT TO STORE OUR STUFF.
SO IT'S NOT ALL OF OUR HISTORICAL STUFF WANTS TO BE INSIDE IN THE WINTERTIME.
SO THIS IS LIKE ALL YOUR HISTORIC VEHICLES.
THAT AND ANYTHING, ANY OF OUR, ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE IN OUR, IN OUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS PRETTY BIG, WE WANT TO PUT IT INSIDE INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT OUTSIDE FOR THE LATER TIME.
GIVE YOU A, SO WHICH PICTURE ARE WE LOOKING AT? RIGHT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
WELL,
SO WHAT'S THE COLOR SCHEME? IT'S GONNA BE, UH, GREEN, GREEN, GREEN.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, YEAH, GREEN.
ARE YOU TAKING UP SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES? PARDON ME? ARE YOU TAKING UP SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES? IT'S, IT WILL, IT, IT WILL BE, BUT THE PAIR PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW HAVE BEEN USED BY ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S PARKED THERE.
WHAT COLOR IS THE EXISTING BUILDING? EXISTING IS BRICK.
AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT IS BEIGE.
THAT GONNA BE ARMY GREEN OR MARINE GREEN.
THE POLE BARN METAL, 12 FOOT HIGH SO WE CAN PUT OUR EVERYTHING IN IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM
SO JUST GREEN OR GREEN AND BEIGE OR IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TWO, TWO TONED LIKE THAT? YEAH.
LIKE THIS ONE? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH.
I THOUGHT I HAD THE CONTRACT HERE, JOSH.
NO, BECAUSE I SAID IT, YOU KNOW,
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK FOR THE SITE IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL, UH, ADDITION.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH A WAIVER, COMFORTABLE WAIVER.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN OPINION? SO FOR THE NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVEN BEEN TO THE SITE PLAYING WAIVER, WHAT'S THE WAY THAT WORKS? SO HOW THAT WOULD WORK IS WE WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT NEEDS FURTHER REVIEW FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IF IT'S JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, I, I'LL STILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T COME IN FRONT OF US FOR A FULL SITE PLAN, PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
WE CHANGED THAT LAW ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING LIKE REAL SMALL THINGS COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE SAID LOOK, WE CHANGED THE LAW TO ALLOW SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR SMALL PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
UM, TYPICALLY THE DECISION JUST MADE INTERNALLY, BUT THIS ONE WAS ON THE LARGE ENOUGH SIZE, JUST BORDERLINE OF THE SIZE THAT WE WANTED YOUR INPUT TO MAKE SURE YOU AGREED WITH THE SITE PLAN WAIVER.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS ANY OPINIONS ON A WAIVER OR NOT OR, I MEAN, YOU GUYS DON'T USUALLY FILL THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? PARDON ME? HOW OFTEN IS YOUR PARKING LOT COMPLETELY FULL? RARELY, RIGHT? NOT VERY OFTEN UNLESS WE HAVE A MEAT RAFFLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT EVEN IF
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT IT INSIDE INSTEAD OF HAVING IT SITTING OUTSIDE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PART, A CONDITION OF THE WAIVER, BUT YEAH.
SO YOU JUST HAVE YEAH, WE'LL GO.
WELL YOU ARE ALSO ON A WORK SESSION.
OH, SO IT NEEDS TO COME ON A REGULAR MEETING TO MOVE IT.
IF, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THE, THE WAIVER OR YOU'RE THE WAIVER, YOU DON'T CAN, YOU'RE JUST GIVING AN OPINION.
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JUST GIVEN THEIR OPINION.WE WERE GONNA DO A SITELINE WAIVER BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW IT TO YEAH.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT.
SO ALL THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
JOSH IS GONNA START A FORM AND BILL CAMMY AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ARE GONNA REVIEW IT, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S FINE, AND THEN SIGN IT AND YOU'RE DONE.
JUST GET YOU TAKE CARE OF AND GIVE ALL THAT'S THE IDEA.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ALCHEMY.
SHOR IS REQUESTING REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 7 8 0 HOOVER ROAD FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO RIGHT IT JUST PASSED AWAY A FEW WEEKS AGO.
GOOD EVENING, WE'RE ALCHEMY SHORES.
I'M ANN MCINTOSH, MY HUSBAND DJ MCINTOSH AND MY PARTNER AT ALCHEMY WINE BAR IN CASTLE.
SO WE RECENTLY PURCHASED, UH, THE PROPERTY ON 37 80 HOOVER ROAD.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED M TWO RIGHT NOW.
AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO REZONE IT INTO MU ONE DISTRICT.
UM, THE BUILDING IS EXISTING, OBVIOUSLY ON HERE AND WE BASICALLY WANT TO TURN THIS INTO EVENT SPACE FOR WEDDINGS AND SHOWERS AND SUCH TO BASICALLY KICK OFF THE GIRLS FROM CHEMY WINE AND BEER IN TOWN TO THE BEACHFRONT.
SO AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION WE HAVE 2300 SQUARE FEET AT ALCHEMY WINE BAR.
WE'RE AT, UH, 20 UNION STREET AT THE CORNER, UH, OF BUFFALO AND UNION AND HAMBURG.
UM, WE HAVE ACTUALLY KIND OF OUTGROWN THAT SPACE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS, WE HOST BIRTHDAY PARTIES, RETIREMENT PARTIES, BABY SHOWERS, BRIDAL SHOWERS, UM, AND SMALL WEDDINGS THERE.
UM, WE'VE, LAST YEAR WE HAD 75 EVENTS AND THEY'RE EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE THAT JUST AS MANY THERE NOW AND WE'RE ALREADY BOOKED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION.
SO, UM, THE NEED FOR AN EVENT SPACE IS GREAT AND WE KNOW HOW TO HOST THOSE EVENTS VERY WELL.
WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR, IT'LL BE FIVE YEARS THIS, UM, THIS AUGUST.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE A BIGGER EVENT SPACE, UM, 4,300 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO CALL IT BUFFALO CHAMPAGNE HOUSE.
UM, THAT YOU WERE THINKING CONDOS.
AND THEN THAT THE EVENT SPACE WOULD GO TO THE CONDOS OR WOULD IT STAY AT A, AT EVENT SPACE OPEN TO EVERYBODY? WE WERE.
WE'RE GONNA DO SOME SURVEYS AND SUCH TO, TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST THING.
'CAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO STEAL, LIKE TAKE AWAY FROM THE CONDO BUILDING AS WELL, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE EVENT SPACE OPEN FOR PUBLIC AND WHOEVER ELSE GOING.
FOR, FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED IT TO CODE REVIEW OR NOT, IT WAS ON THE PHONE.
UM, THE, THE EVENT SPACE ON THE WATERS IS A KIND OF AN EXCITING AND INTERESTING PROJECT AND SEEMS LIKE A A, A NICE WATERFRONT USE THAT WE WANT KEEP AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC.
IS THERE A RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S PART OF THIS? YOU ASK ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY BY GOING TO THE M1, U ONE, U ONE, UM, SINCE THE FLOATING, IT WOULD ENABLE, IT WOULD ENABLE BOTH USES WATERFRONT RESIDENTIAL ON THE WATER.
WE'RE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL, BUT NOT, YEAH, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS EVENT BASE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT CAME WITH CONDOS.
WE CREATED THE BRAND NEW MU DISTRICT AND I APPLAUD THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE WHEN THEY CAME IN TO MEET WITH 'EM.
THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL THEIR FUTURE PLANS AND WE THOUGHT THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT THE MU ONE DISTRICT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR PRESENT USE AND LONG-TERM USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED.
AND IS LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS POTENTIAL REZONING.
OBVIOUSLY IF IT GETS REZONED, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THEN ANY FUTURE CHANGES WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO MOST IMMEDIATE PROJECT IS ABSOLUTELY THE EVENT SPACE.
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE SOME INITIAL JUST FEASIBILITIES FOR DRAWINGS FOR THE
YOU CAN SEE IF THAT'S A POTENTIAL.
ANY VARIANCES DREW? WHAT'S THAT? WOULD THE EVENT SPACE NEED ANY VARIANCES? I DON'T.
I BELIEVE IT'S LISTED AS A USE IN THE
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U ONE DISTRICT.UM, AND BY THE WAY, THE ONLY COMMENTS WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA WANNA ADDRESS THOSE WITH THIS BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD IS, THERE'S CONCERNS ALWAYS WHEN IT'S ON THE WATERFRONT THAT, YOU KNOW, FLOOD PLAIN, UH, DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN DOES THIS GET DAMAGED? KIND OF LIKE THE OTHER PROJECT WE HAVE MM-HMM
FEW DOORS DOWN FROM THAT THAT MAKE SURE THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WE CAN GET THAT.
BUT I THINK THE DEC SAID THIS WAS IN A FLOODPLAIN AND A, AND A COASTAL EROSION AREA, I BELIEVE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
YEAH, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE MAPS.
UM, THE PERMITTED USES ARE RETAIL STORE BUSINESS OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, RESTAURANT BAR, SOCIAL CLUB, RESIDENTIAL USES.
THAT'S WHY MY THEY INTERPRETED THAT FIT INTO THAT, THOSE CATEGORIES.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE TO THE BUILDING ALREADY SINCE WE WERE THERE, JUST OUT ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF, OF THE STORM AND STUFF.
SO THE GUTTERS WERE RECENTLY REPAIRED ON IT.
UM, THE ROOF WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING IS A STEEL ROOF.
IT DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER BOOTS UP TOP FOR THE ICE BOOTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT CAUSED BASICALLY THE GUTTER TO FALL OFF ON THAT SIDE.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THOSE ON RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THERE WHERE THERE'S CURRENT PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE LAKE? UM, THERE IS A, THERE, THERE USED TO BE, THERE USED TO BE AN OLD BOAT RAMP HERE.
'CAUSE THERE USED TO BE OLD BOATHOUSE, UH, BOAT MARINA.
AND THERE'S JUST A GATE THERE NOW THAT YOU CAN, THAT PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH.
IT WILL BE CLOSED OFF OR WHATEVER.
SO IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WASN'T PUBLIC.
IT'S PRIVATE, IT COMBINED ON THE, ON THE BOARD.
SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF TIMING OF THIS, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE AT THIS BOARD.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM FOR AT LEAST ONE OR TWO MORE MEETINGS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE, THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE WHO HAS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, YOUR CONSISTENT COASTAL CONSISTENCY REVIEW.
OUR JOB IS TO PUT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, AND GIVE THEM A REPORT OF HERE'S ALL THE INFORMATION SO THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
SO YOU'LL PROBABLY BE HERE, WE'RE GONNA, WHEN THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETS, WE'LL TRY TO NOTIFY YOU SO YOU CAN ATTEND THAT MEETING.
THEY USE WHAT THEY CALL A COASTAL CONSISTENCY FORM.
IF YOU HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS, WE WILL GET YOU A COPY OF IT SO YOU KNOW THE QUESTIONS THEY'RE GONNA ASK OF YOU, UM, KIND OF LIKE WHAT MARGARET WAS ASKING, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE WATERFRONT AND ASK, USE WHAT BILL WAS ASKING.
THEY LIKE TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN THOSE THINGS BE INCORPORATED INTO YOUR PROJECT? SO I'LL GIVE YOU THAT LIST AND YOU CAN ALSO MEET WITH THEM BECAUSE THIS, THIS BOARD IS GONNA TAKE THEIR INPUT AND THEN PUT THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE THIS DECISION ON REZO.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I THINK WHEN THEY GO TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THEY GOTTA COME BACK TO US ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THEN WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLE REVIEW AND SEE.
NO, WE HAVE TO DO SECRET FOR THE REZONING, DON'T WE? WHAT'S THAT? WE GOTTA DO SECRET FOR THE REONE.
WELL, THE TOWN, THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD'S GOING TO, THAT'S JUST THE LAW.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IN YOUR REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD, YOU CAN REPORT ON THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES TO HELP THE TOWN BOARD MAKE THEIR SECRET DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA GIVE 'EM A LETTER FROM DEC AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS AND WHATEVER, SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROPER SECRET DECISION.
YOU'RE GONNA HELP THE TOWN BOARD MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT DECISION IS AND WHAT IT COVERS.
IF THEY COME BACK FOR A FUTURE BUILDING, WE MAY HAVE TO DO AN ADDITIONAL SECRET.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE GRAY ZONE OF SEGMENTATION BECAUSE THE FUTURE USE IS UNKNOWN AND YOU'RE REZONING THE RIGHT SEEKER IS GOING, SEEKER IS GONNA BE DONE ON WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING TO DO NOW, NOT THE FUTURE.
WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING TO DO NOW.
AND, AND IF WHEN THEY GO TO BUILD THAT BUILDING, THAT'S GONNA BE FINE.
SEEKER'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AS, AS DENNIS ASKED, WHEN THEY COME BACK IN THE FUTURE TO DO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, WE'RE GONNA REDO SEEKER, REDO EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT WAS VERY NICE THAT THEY TOLD US ABOUT THIS FUTURE USE, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE REZONING THE FU ONE.
IT'S NICE THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT FITS ALL THEIR NEEDS IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED FROM THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THEM? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
LIKE I SAID, I'D BE EXCITED TO HAVE A, AN EVENT SPACE LIKE THIS RIGHT ON THE LAKE, SO YEAH, WE THINK SO TOO.
YEAH, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE AFFORD TO HAVE OUR CHRISTMAS PARTY THERE.
WE NEED TO GET THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING OUT OF THAT AREA.
THIS IS NO LONGER INDUSTRIAL USES IN THAT AREA, SO IT NEEDS TO CONVERT TO OTHER THINGS.
IT IS RIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE, RIGHT NEXT TO A A PLANT.
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NEED TO SLOWLY CONVERT THAT END OF THE TOWN FROM THE INDUSTRIAL USES.WE'RE BRINGING THE BUILDING BACK TO LIFE.
ALL RIGHT, SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON MARCH 1ST.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE WILL MEET BEFORE THEN.
UM, I KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK BEFORE THEN OR WHEN, WHEN YOU WANNA COME BACK, WHAT I COULD DO TO MOVE THIS ON IS IF YOU PUT IT ON FOR MARCH 15TH, YOU GUYS CAN EMAIL IT, BUT WE WILL START TO PUT THE REPORT TOGETHER, GET ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, ET CETERA, AND GET IT TO YOU.
BUT MARCH 15TH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD INSTEAD OF COMING BACK ON MARCH FOUR FIRST.
THEN WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE UNLESS THERE'S OTHER INFORMATION WE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE, UH, EMAIL ADDRESSES AS WELL SO WE CAN GET THOSE.
GIVE IT TO JOSH AND WE'LL EMAIL YOU.
WE'LL GET THAT WATERFRONT COMMITTEE MEETING SO WE CAN MEET WITH THEM.
THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE TO BE COASTAL CONSISTENCY.
STATE OF NEW YORK SAYS WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT WITHIN OUR LWRP AND COASTAL.
ABSOLUTELY FORWARD TO ACTUALLY THE OTHER ONE.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ALCHEMY SHORES TO MARCH 15TH.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PARK GROVE REALTY REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 70 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF RILEY BOULEVARD.
YOU GUYS KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS, RIGHT? YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THIS WAS THE ONE YOU RECOMMENDED A REZONING.
THE TOWN BOARD REZONED THIS SITE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH,
SO THE TOWN BOARD DID REZONE THE PROPERTY, NOW THEY'RE BACK WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH WE KNEW WAS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOW YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN TO DO.
I'M TIM CROWLEY WITH PARK GROVE.
APPRECIATE THE THE TIME TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HERE JOINED WITH COLE OBH AND, AND TREVOR HALL WITH RO ASSOCIATES.
THEY'RE ALSO A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
UM, I HANDED OUT EARLIER JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND BACKGROUND OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO DATE.
UM, THIS PROCESS IS IN THIS, THIS PROJECT IS NOT UNFAMILIAR TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TOWN BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE REQUESTED A REZONE TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UM, ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
AND THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, FOUR PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.
UH, PLANNING BOARD ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED, UH, THE REZONE TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE FALL OF, UH, THIS PAST 2022 TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE REZONE AND ALSO, UH, PROVIDED A NEGATIVE SECRET DECLARATION, UH, COMMENTING ON THE, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACT, UH, THE MINIMAL IMPACT OF TRAFFIC, UH, STORM WATER AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UM, AND TODAY WE COME BACK TO YOU.
LARGELY THE SITE PLAN HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED, UH, FROM THE LAST GO AROUND.
UM, NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES OR, OR ANYTHING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE I SAID, SAME.
THERE'S A FEW, YOU KNOW, SMALL TWEAKS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE SITE PLAN.
UH, ON THE NORTHERN MOST PORTION OF THE SITE, WE TRIED TO CREATE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER, UH, BETWEEN THESE TOWN HOMES AND, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTIES.
UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE ALSO FLIPPED A FEW BUILDINGS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF THE CLUBHOUSE ON SITE AND, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
UM, AGAIN, LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT.
UH, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, AGAIN, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO, UH, GET THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN PROCEED, UH, WITH, UH, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN THE FUTURE MEETING.
WHAT KIND OF OUTDOOR COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE IS THERE LOCATED TO SUPPORT THE, THE BUILDINGS YOU WANNA HIT ON THAT? YEAH, SO KIND OF ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE THE SPACE THAT BACKS UP TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE PLAYGROUND.
UM, THERE'S SOME GONNA BE SOME GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE ON THAT EASTERN BORDER TO AS REC SPACE IF, YOU KNOW, KIDS WANT TO THROW THE FOOTBALL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
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OUR REQUIREMENTS IS, UH, I BELIEVE 35,000 SQUARE FOOT.WE'RE PROPOSING 38 1000 SQUARE FEET OF REC SPACE.
AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WOULD BE EAGER TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ON HOW TO OPTIMIZE THAT SPACE AND JUST MAKE IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THE TENANTS.
TYPICALLY IN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, WE'LL HAVE AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREA FOR THE, FOR THE CHILDREN, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AMPLE GREEN SPACE AS WELL.
AND BE COGNIZANT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME LANDSCAPING BUFFERING THAT WILL NEED TO GO AROUND THE, THE OUTSIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE HAVING SOME KIND OF PATH INTO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY FOR STUDENTS.
UH, DID YOU LOOK INTO THAT AT ALL? WE HAVEN'T, NO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN SAY AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.
UM, AGAIN, STRATEGY, COMMERCIAL SPACE.
PARDON ME? SO MAYBE A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN THE RECREATIONAL SPACE? YEAH.
UM, WE'VE DONE RAISED GUARD, WE'VE DONE RAISED GARDENS IN OUR PROPERTIES BEFORE, UH, COMMUNITY GARDENS.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY ADD.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, UM, WALKABILITY WITHIN THE SITE? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SIDEWALKS SORT OF THROUGHOUT OR YEAH, WE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, AND AROUND TWO, THE COMMUNITY BUILDING AND SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF A PROPERTY.
THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION OF TOWN BOARD FOR THE REZONING.
UM, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPED.
SO THIS IS THE WHOLE AREA THAT WAS REDESIGNED MM-HMM
UM, AS FAR AS CON CONNECTIVITY GOES, WE WANT TO HAVE A WAY THAT IF SOMETHING GOES IN THERE THAT FITS MAYBE A WALKWAY BETWEEN THE TWO AND TWO.
SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING PLAN AS WELL THAT LIKE PROVIDES SOME SORT OF A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE OTHER USES.
THERE'S SOME MORE COMMERCIAL USES IN THE SPACE AND THIS IS BECOMING MORE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF WAY TO VISUALLY BREAK UP THE FLOW OR TO PROVIDE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE USES I THINK WOULD BE GOOD.
ALSO HAVE AN ELEVATION TO SHARE WITH YOU.
THIS IS THE COLOR SCHEME AND THE MATERIAL SCHEME FOR THE PROPOSED TOWNHOUSE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S FRONT PORCH ENTRANCES THAT SIDEWALKS WILL CONNECT TO THE DRIVEWAY AREA.
BUILDINGS ARE 29 AND A HALF FEET TALL, THE TOP OF THE ROOF.
UM, SO IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT SHEET OF ELEVATION, YOU WOULD HAVE IT HERE.
YEAH, WE LIKE THESE BUILDINGS A LOT.
THEY HAVE THE NICE STONE WATER TABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THESE TYPES OF, UH, BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN USED ELSEWHERE, UH, IN SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS THAT OUR ARCHITECT IS, IS VERY CLOSELY TIED TO PROBABLY SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK.
FOR HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE? AGAIN, RELATIVE TO HOW MANY UNITS? THE, UH, THE CODE CALLS FOR 1.5 PER UNIT.
WE TRIED TO PUT AROUND 15 PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF EACH BUILDING, UM, WITH SOME EXTRA PARKING DOWN IN THE COMMUNITY SPACE AREA IN CASE SOMEONE NEEDS TO DRIVE OVER AND NEEDS A PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CODE IS A GUIDELINE.
THEY MAKE THE DECISION BASED UPON THE INFORMATION YOU SUBMIT CONCERNING, THAT'S A GUIDELINE TO START OFF WITH.
AND THEN BASED UPON PARTICULAR USE TROUBLE WITH OLD SCHOOL PARKING REGULATIONS, THEY TRY TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING.
SOME ARE SENIOR HOUSING VERSUS WHATEVER.
SO, UH, WORK WITH THEM ON A REPORT WHY YOU BELIEVE THE IT'S ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE SITE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS IN THE WORK SESSION? UM, JUST, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ARCHITECT HAS WORKED ON SIMILAR PROJECTS.
UM, WHERE, WHERE ARE THOSE PROJECTS? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
SO YOU SAID 70 UNITS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING, HOW MANY ROOMS PER UNIT? THERE ARE 14 ONE BEDS, 42 2 BEDS AND 40 AND 14 THREE BEDROOMS. SO I'M TYPICALLY ONE BEDROOMS,
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ONE PERSON.UM, SOMETIMES YOU GET TWO, UM, TWO BEDS, TWO PEOPLE, UH, AND THEN THREE IS TWO, TWO TO TO FOUR.
DEPENDS ON, IT DEPENDS A LOT ON THE HOUSEHOLD STRUCTURE, WHICH JUST FLUCTUATES.
AND I KNOW THIS NOT GONNA BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REFER THE TOWN AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAW.
10% OF AT LEAST 10% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU CAN MEET WITH CHRIS HALL OVER IN INCLUSIONARY ZONE AND CHRIS HALL OVER IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'D WANT TO, THERE THERE IS NO FORMAL SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.
WHAT BILL'S GONNA ASK IS YOU WANNA COME BACK TO SEE US AGAIN OR DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO MAKE YOUR FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION? RIGHT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO, TO MAKE THAT FULL APPLICATION IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FEEDBACK THAT THE BOARD HAS, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO HEAR IT AND INCORPORATE IT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT OUTLINE THAT WAS PASSED OUT EARLIER WAS JUST A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME, A REFRESHER REINTRODUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
SO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR WHEN YOU THINK YOU'D HAVE THE FULL SKETCH PLAN OR IF WE JUST SITE SITE PLAN.
UH, OR WE JUST TABLE IT GENERALLY AND YOU SCHEDULE IT WHEN YOU BRING IT IN.
UM, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO GET IT INTO THE NEXT MONTH'S, UM, SET PLAN.
SO THE FIRST OR THE 15TH OR PROBABLY BE THE 15TH.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THINGS WE GOT ON THE 15TH? JUST THE ONE SO FAR.
AND WE CAN AND WE CAN, WE CAN TALK IN
BILL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, IT'S WHEN THEY MAKE APPLICATION, THEY HAVE TO MAKE APPLICATION I BELIEVE, 10 DAYS PRIOR TO ANY, ANY MEETING.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THE APPLICATION, IT WILL REPLACE ON YOUR AGENDA.
AND THE EARLIEST IS GONNA BE IS THE 15TH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE THE MEETING AFTER WHETHER THEY GET THE FULL APPLICATION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, SO WE WON'T DO A DATE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE PARK GROVE REALTY.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WORK SESSION.
SO WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023 MEETING THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO SUPPLY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE VERY POPULAR.
UH, CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ATO DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A 96 UNIT TOWN HOME SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST OF
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF LETTERS.
WE ARE, WE PASSED A HUNDRED YET.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INPUT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO BEFORE WE GO BACK INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD? YEAH, JUST ONE GROUP, THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE, TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE, UH, DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET COPIES OF THOSE? I MEAN, IT, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO YEAH, I THINK SARAH PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, YOU DON'T REMEMBER? ALRIGHT, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A FILE WITH SOME OF THE STUFF PULLED OUT.
OH YEAH, SHE MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT FOR THIS, AGREEMENT FOR THAT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AGREEMENT.
YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE'VE GOT, SO SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSALS.
SOME OF IT'S BEEN ATTACHED TO THE SUBMISSIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE'LL TRY AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TO, TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
SO JUST FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TAKE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE RECEIVED, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE RECEIVED THEM, BUT MAKE A PACKET OF SAYING THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED.
SO WHEN YOU ASK US TO SAY, HAVE WE GOT THIS INFORMATION OR NOT? WE'LL
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MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING REFERRED TO RIGHT NOW.IT'S JUST, YOU RECEIVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF EMAILS, WE RECEIVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF COPIES OF THINGS, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING.
THE RESIDENTS DID HAVE A REAL REALIZE HANDOUT.
YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT HANDOUT.
UH, BUT WE'LL TRY TO PUT A SUMMARY DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
UH, THAT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOWS EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED SO PEOPLE SAY, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED ON THIS.
WELL, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I I'M THINKING, UM, DEPENDS ON THE TIMELINE.
IF IT WORKS OUT, UH, WE HAVE HOPEFULLY HIRE A NEW, UH, ASSISTANT PLANNER.
WE, WE GOT JOSH ON BOARD, MAYBE COME UP WITH A FILING SYSTEM THAT HELPS ALL OF US ACCESS THOSE DOCUMENTS.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE PERFECT GUINEA PIG BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE VOLUME THAT WE GOTTA GO THROUGH.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SET UP MY IDEA, SET UP THE DROPBOX THAT YOU ALL COULD GO INTO AND GET.
WE CAN'T PUT ALL THIS STUFF ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
IT IS VERY LIMITED WHAT CAN GO ON THERE, BUT WE CAN HAVE A DROPBOX FOR, FOR, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AT LEAST TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE DATA THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR DECISION.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IF IT WORKS OUT THAT WAY, GREAT.
IF NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA SLOW THAT ANYTHING DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN THE PLANNING BOARD, THERE'S A CLAMORING FOR SOMETHING THAT ALONG THOSE LINES AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT TO START THAT WITH.
WE'RE, BY THE WAY, AS AN ASIDE, WE'RE WORKING WITH IT TO WORK OUT A WAY TO HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THAT, ON THAT SCREEN, BUT ALSO GO THROUGH THE FACEBOOK SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE THE PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IS GONNA WORK ON A SYSTEM HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DO BOTH AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE.
PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON IT, THE IT DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING BOARD? ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAD IS, I MENTIONED THIS TO JEFF BEFORE AND I MENTIONED IT TO ATTORNEY HOPKINS BEFORE, BUT MY, THE COMPANY I WORK FOR USES HOD AND ROSS'S EXTERNAL COUNSEL WHO'S REPRESENTING SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT IT'S NOT RELATED IN FIREWALL, BUT FIGURED I WOULD SAY IT THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, SO DO YOU WANNA DO A SHORT PRESENTATION OR DO YOU THINK WE'VE WE CAN, YEAH.
NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED SINCE THE THE LAST GO AROUND.
PETER SOJI WITH HOPKINS SOJI MCCARTHY, UM, AND CHRIS WOOD WITH WOOD MORRIS, I MEAN, YEAH, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED.
WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS, TAKE THEM ALL IN AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL BE RESPONDING.
UM, I BELIEVE MR. BURKE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT TO THE HOA TO TRY TO ARRANGE A MEETING OF METRICS STATUS OF THAT IS YET, BUT NO, WE'RE JUST HERE REALLY TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WILL UH, SO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE IT AGAIN UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE NO, NO.
NO, I THINK WE JUST, WE WE JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK YEAH.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL RESPOND.
AND YOU, AND YOU'RE GONNA ALSO TRY AND RESPOND WITH A MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? YES.
THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNING BOARD? CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE SOMETIMES THOSE MEETINGS WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING CAN BE FRUITFUL.
I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE IN CASE THEY WANNA REFER TO IT.
SO, AND I APOLOGIZE, PEOPLE THAT COME UP TO TALK WILL HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET.
IT'LL JUST HELP US, THE PERSON WHO A MEETING THAT TO GET THE CORRECT SPELLING OF YOUR NAME.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO, UH, SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST PUT A NAME, SPELL OUT YOUR NAME AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT.
SO WE OPENED THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY AGO.
JANUARY 4TH, WASN'T IT FIRST MEETING JANUARY.
UM, WE WILL PROBABLY END UP CLOSING IT TODAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T ACCEPT ANY MORE INPUT.
WE ALWAYS ACCEPT EMAILS AND LETTERS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, SO JUST 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE WE, WE STOPPED LISTING TO ANYTHING, SO.
AND THE, WE HAVE TO DO THE NOTES BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY OPEN SO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ALREADY REOPENED.
SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, UM, WHEN WE COME UP, SIGN IN AND DO YOU HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET OR YEAH, DREW GAVE HIM A SIGN IN SHEET.
SO WAS THERE ANYONE THAT HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO, TO BRING TONIGHT? OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO
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SIGN IN WHILE HE MAKES HIS REMARKS AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE LIST IN ORDER.I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY BENEFIT TO MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THE ISSUE WAS GREEN SPACE AND THE ISSUE THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
ALL THE EVIDENCE WE'VE GIVEN YOU SHOWS THAT THEY'RE SHORT ON GREEN SPACE AND THEY GAVE UP.
THEY, THEY, THEY WERE, THEIR RECREATIONAL FEES WERE WAIVED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR WAIVED IN CONSIDERATION OF GIVING US MORE GREEN SPACE.
AND ALL THE NUMBERS THEY CAME UP WITH TO TRY TO PROVE THEY HAVE IT ARE NOT LEGITIMATE GREEN SPACE.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WETLANDS AND, AND CLIFFS AND AREAS THAT ARE NOT EVEN USABLE.
SO I DON'T SEE, I, I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE DEVELOPER AND WHAT THEY PROMISED AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THE TOWN AGREED TO.
THE TOWN GAVE UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I'M SURE YOUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO USE AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY DO.
AND, AND FOR THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WAIVER.
I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ALL DAY LONG ABOUT ALL THEIR ISSUES ABOUT SAFETY AND, AND, UH, TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS THERE WAS A LEGAL DOCUMENT, A LEGAL BINDING AGREEMENT.
AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T FULFILL IT AND THE TOWN FORGAVE OR BASICALLY FORGAVE THEIR
SO I DON'T KNOW, WITH MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS IS GONNA, OR THE DEVELOPER'S GOING TO HELP HELP AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOW BETWEEN THE TOWN AND REALLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOU AND THE DEVELOPER.
THEY, THEY HAD AN AGREEMENT RIGHT.
AND, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINT.
UM, SO YEAH, IF IT'S THAT, IF, IF THE CASE, IF THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE WHERE THERE'S ANY ROOM, THEN NO, THERE'S NO UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT'S, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
WHO'S NEXT ON THAT LIST? ALL RIGHT.
HI, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR.
UH, MY NAME IS DAN SULLIVAN, UH, 3 0 1 1 CLOVER BANK ROAD, UNIT 68.
UH, I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR, UH, SAWGRASS COURT, TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITY.
BORDERS, UH, THE PROPERTIES WHERE THE PROJECT'S GONNA, UH, BE PROPOSED.
UM, WE HAVE 101 UNITS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, WE WANTED TO COME AND, AND FIRST OF ALL SHOW OUR SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE BRIAR CLIP COMMUNITY AND ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT THEY'VE, UH, RAISED REGARDING GREEN SPACE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS, HEART TRAIL, THE DENSITY, TRAFFIC, EVERYTHING WERE ON BOARD NOT TO, UH, REPRESENT MM-HMM
BUT WE HAD SOME THINGS SPECIFIC TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, FIRST THE TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT STUDY, TO MY UNDERSTANDING IT INCLUDED OUR ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, ENTRANCE AT CLOVER BANK AS WELL AS ON BRIARCLIFF.
FROM WHAT I SAW, THERE WAS ONLY, UM, CLOVER BANK REPRESENTED NOT THE BRIARCLIFF ENTRANCE.
UM, WE'RE A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WAS SPEED BUMPS FOR A PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON RECORD.
SO WE SHOULD NOT BE PART OF ANY, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN, UM, OR ANYTHING AT ALL THERE.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, BEING A PRIVATE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT THAT LIVE THERE, WE HAVE WALKERS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT LIKE TO WALK TO DOGS, GO FOR WALKS.
WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A CUT THROUGH TO WALMART OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE A SEPARATE PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS ON A PRIOR CLIP.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I SENT A LETTER.
I BELIEVE YOU GOT IT JOSHUA, SO HOPEFULLY YOU WERE COPIED ON IT.
IF NOT, I HAVE COPIES AND UH, I'M AVAILABLE TO, UH, TO REACH OUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT PERSON ON THE LIST.
HI, I AM PAT MICHAEL, UH, 53 27 BRIAR CLIFF.
UM, I THINK YOU ASKED A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX, CONFUSING MATTER.
WE, UM, HAVE PRESENTED YOU INFORMATION AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, ARE YOU SAYING
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THE WAY YOU'RE GONNA SOLVE THIS IS YOU'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF YOUR BUREAUCRACY? BECAUSE, AND IT, WHEN WE'VE SENT YOU INFORMATION, IT'S ALL DOCUMENTED AND THEN SEAN HOPKINS TOLD YOU THAT HE IS, IS GONNA MEET WITH US.SO WE SHUT, WE IDENTIFIED YEARS OF DISINGENUOUS INFORMATION.
THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO BRING YOU TWO ISSUES.
AND HOW LONG IS THIS GONNA TAKE FOR YOU TO CATCH UP? UH, YOU'RE GONNA HIRE SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WE HAVE TO CA NOT YOU 'CAUSE YOU'VE LISTENED
WELL, I, WELL I, I SAID THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA HOLD ANYTHING UP WITH IT.
UH, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT TO REORGANIZE THE WAY WE RECEIVED INFORMATION.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THIS, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WHEN WHEN WE GET LETTERS, YES, I GET AN EMAIL AND IT HAS ALL THE LETTERS THAT WERE ATTACHED THAT DAY.
WE, WE START, JOSH STARTED PUTTING THEM IN A DROPBOX AND PUTTING THEM BY DATE.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT DENNIS SAYS, DO WE HAVE IT? WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN IT, BUT WE GOT IT IN AN EMAIL THAT WAS PART OF A PACKAGE THAT HAD A BUNCH OF THINGS.
SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS REORGANIZING THE WAY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVES THE INFORMATION.
SO WHEN DENNIS WANTS TO FIND IT, HE CAN, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY, WAS THAT THE EMAIL WE GOT IN AUGUST OR WAS THAT THE EMAIL WE GOT IN JULY? OKAY.
SO THAT'S ALL, IT'S NOT, UH, NOT HIRING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO SOMETHING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN KIND OF SUGGESTING.
WE REORGANIZED THE WAY WE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, THAT'S ALL.
SO IT'S AN INTERNAL THING THAT WE WANNA DO.
SO HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS WILL TAKE FOR US? I WILL NOT ADD 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY MEETING WITH SEAN.
THAT PROCESS WILL NOT IMPACT YOUR TIMELINE AT ALL.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT TO MAKE AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH DREW.
UM, THE TWO THINGS WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED HAVE TO DO WITH THE CONTROLLING ARGUMENT OF WHAT SEAN IS SAYING AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND I WANNA KNOW IF DREW HAS THAT ORIGINAL 1988 DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WE, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD TOLD ED BURKE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THE REQUIREMENT, THE REQUIRED ACRES.
WE ARE TRYING, IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BOXES.
LIKE ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BOXES TRYING TO GET ALL THAT DATA TO THEM.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THERE ARE NOT, THERE ARE PROBABLY 20 BOXES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRIARWOOD.
BACK IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, THEY DID EVERYTHING HARD COPIES, THEY'RE IN BOXES.
WELL, YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT YOU UM, HAVE THIS, YOU ARE, THIS IS A CONTROLLING DOCUMENT IN 2003.
WHAT, WHERE DO YOU, HOW, WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR SAYING THAT THEY, THEY, THEY'VE MADE THAT STATEMENT.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT INFORMATION, DECIDE, HAVE, AND DECIDE HAVE THEY SUBSTANTIATED IT? OKAY, FINE.
AS, AS DENNIS SAID, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AS YOU ALL FOUND OUT, THIS IS A PROJECTS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR 30 PLUS YEARS AND THERE'S BEEN DECISIONS MADE THROUGHOUT THAT 30 PLUS YEAR CHANGING BOARDS.
RIGHT? CHANGING BOARDS CHANGING.
THANKS TO MY NEIGHBORS FOR BEING HERE.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE PROCESS AND DEMOCRACY IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
I KNOW IT GOES BEFORE THE THE BOARD ULTIMATELY, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO BE OUR ADVOCATE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THAT ON THE RECORD, THEY'RE THE DECISION MAKER RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO TOWN BOARD INVOLVEMENT AT THIS POINT UNLESS THERE'S SOME, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS A APPLICATION BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
THERE'S NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS.
THERE COULD BE A DECISION THAT COULD INVOLVE THE TOWN BOARD, BUT RIGHT NOW THE DECISION IS BEFORE THE ONLY WAY THE DECISION BILL'S LOOKING AT ME.
IF WE DETERMINE THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PUD, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD TO AMEND THAT PUD.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT GOES BACK TO THE TALENT.
AND THAT, AND YOU KNOW, WE, ABOUT A YEAR AGO I WAS HERE AND I MENTIONED THE PUD AND WE SAID THAT OUR ARGUMENT BEFORE YOU WAS THAT WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO AND NOTHING PERSONAL TO
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THE BURKES.UM, THEY WANNA OVERDEVELOP AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY OVERDEVELOPED.
AND A COUPLE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS AND SHOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT ANOTHER DEVELOPER HERE IN GREEN SPACE AND I SAW YOU AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT THEM AND YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH GREEN SPACE.
WE HAVE A DISPUTE IN FACT RELATIVE TO THE, TO THE PUT.
AND I THINK I, I SEE BILL YOU RECOGNIZE THAT AND THAT'S WHERE THE TOWN BOARD COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD GET INVOLVED.
UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE LAWYER.
I PRACTICE CRIMINAL LAW AND PERSONAL INJURY.
I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE THE DECISION MAKER, WE WANT YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
I LOOK AT MY SON WHO'S WHO CAME HERE TODAY, LITTLE JACK BOSKY AND HE WAS OUTSIDE PLAYING WITH, UH, ONE OF HIS FRIENDS, MASON ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY WERE PLAYING TENNIS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE CARS THAT SPEED UP AND DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S SOMETIMES A SPEEDWAY.
AND MY, MY, I SAID TO MY WIFE, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A CALL.
YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DRIVING TOO FAST IN THAT AREA.
NOW IF YOU ADD A COUPLE HUNDRED MORE UNITS, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO SAFETY AND THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF, OF THE RESIDENTS? SO THOSE ARE REAL CONCERNS AND THAT IS OUR ARGUMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN OVERDEVELOPED.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S HUGE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE HORRIBLE IF YOU AGREED TO ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IT'S RIGHT BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND IF YOU AT ALL HAVE WATCHED THE NEWS, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO.
OKAY? EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IN OHIO.
AND I ALSO HEARD THIS BOARD SAY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
NOW IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE RIGHT BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS.
SO FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE ALONE, THIS BOARD SHOULD NOT APPROVE THAT BECAUSE IT IS WAY TOO CLOSE, UH, TO ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEART TRAIL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU LOOK AT OUR DEEDS, WE HAVE A HEART TRAIL.
WELL, THIS IS GOING TO ENCROACH ON OUR GREEN SPACE.
SO BESIDES THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, THE SAFETY ISSUES AND THE GREEN SPACE, I COULD SEE NOT ONE GOOD REASON TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN GREED.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT IS GREED, THEN YOU VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO DON'T ALLOW THE OVERDEVELOPMENT OF AN AREA THAT'S OVERDEVELOPED.
DON'T BREACH YOUR DUTY TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT BOUGHT HOUSES IN GOOD FAITH.
FAITH WITH THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF GREEN SPACE.
DON'T BE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TODAY? ALRIGHT, SIR.
I'M A HOMEOWNER IN BRIARCLIFF.
IT'S UNDER MY IMPRESSION, FROM WHAT I HEARD, THAT NO ONE HERE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN OUT TO THE AREA, TO THE SITE.
PARDON? I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT.
I, I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME OUT AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON AND HOW CRAMPED IT CAN BE AND THE CONGESTION THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
COME OUT AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES AND FEEL WHAT IT'S LIKE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FROM EVERYBODY THAT EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO ALL I CAN ASK IS THAT YOU COME OUT AGAIN, HAVE YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE 50 FEET FROM THE TRACKS, RIGHT? I MEAN TO, TO REALLY KNOW, TO BE OUT THERE.
WE'RE WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU COME OUT AND, AND SEE FOR YOURSELF AND STAND THERE 50 FEET FROM THERE AND, AND REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE.
AND I THINK FRANK BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT AND EVERYTHING THAT JUST HAPPENED WITH THE TRAIN DERAILMENT AND WHAT GOES THROUGH OUR MINDS EVERY DAY.
SO I WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT THERE? YOU, YOU DO KNOW IF WE COME OUT, WE CAN'T DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH YOU.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS JUST WE DON'T COME TOGETHER, CAN'T COME, COME OUT, OUT TOGETHER, THEN COME OUT SEPARATELY.
I'M SURE YOU DRIVE BY THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY
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IT'S GETTING NICER OUT.JUST WALK, WALK 50 YARDS FROM THOSE TRACKS AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES.
AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES AND, AND JUST THINK WHAT DOES GO THROUGH OUR MINDS.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? LISA MAKOWSKI.
I LIVE AT 5 1 7 2 BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE.
UM, I SENT AN EMAIL TO YOU ALL AND I INVITED TO EVERY ONE OF YOU TO COME OUT TO MY HOUSE AND SEE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE TRACKS.
UM, I CAN READ THE GRAFFITI ON THE TRAIN WHEN THEY GO BY AND IT'S, Y'ALL NEED TO COME OUT AND SEE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, IN REGARDS TO BERKS WANTING TO MEET WITH US AND, AND YOUR QUESTION, UH, ARE YOU GONNA NEGOTIATE WITH THE BURS OR ARE YOU GOING TO TALK TO US OR ARE YOU GONNA, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH ANYBODY.
THE IDEA BEHIND A MEETING LIKE THAT WOULD BE FOR YOU AND THEM TO NEGOTIATE AMONGST EACH OTHER.
BUT YOUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION SAID THERE'S THE, THERE'S NO PURPOSE TO THAT.
BUT ARE, I MEAN, ARE YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT THE S HAVE PROPOSED? AND
WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVE IT THE WAY YOU PROPOSED IT.
I JUST, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS AND I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, 'CAUSE I THINK EARLIER IN THE PROCESS WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF CHANGES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, ROOM ON EITHER SIDE FOR CHANGES.
SO I THINK AS FAR AS, UH, I DON'T THINK, UH, A SITUATION WHERE WE SAY, WELL, WE'LL APPROVE IT IF YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S FEASIBLE.
GIVEN WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE, BUT, SO I THINK IT'S A VOTE ON WHAT IT IS.
BUT Y'ALL ARE INVITED TO COME TO MY HOUSE, COME ON MY BACK PATIO AND YOU CAN READ EVERYTHING AND FEEL EVERYTHING AND SEE EVERYTHING THAT I DO.
ANYONE ELSE THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? IS THERE ANYBODY BEHIND THE BOARD THAT I CAN'T SEE? NO.
ALL, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANY MORE PROJECTS ON THE DATA DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
I CALL 'EM TOWN HOMES STORY AND THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR BRANCHES.
THESE WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THOSE, RIGHT? I KNOW.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD SEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY MORE COMMENTS ON DATA? I'M SORRY,
BEING NONE AT THIS TIME, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE STOP ACCEPTING INFORMATION EVEN THOUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
DO WE, DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY? I'VE GOTTEN A FEW PHONE CALLS AND REQUEST UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE ONE GENTLEMAN, WHAT IS THE, WHAT THE DECISION PROCESS IS OF? YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN? I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT QUICKLY.
WELL, LET ME GET, SO AT THIS POINT AND ONLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN, UH, THE DEVELOPER WILL RECEIVE ALL OF THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
THEY WILL USUALLY, AND I EXPECT IT'LL HAPPEN IN THIS CASE, THEY'LL WRITE US A MEMO, WHICH IS THEIR RESPONSE TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
WE'LL POST THAT MEMO ONLINE THAT, AND EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WAS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BACK AND FORTH.
UH, NOW DREW CAN EXPLAIN THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GOT.
USUALLY THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD WILL GET A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
TOWNHOUSES ARE CONSIDERED SUBDIVISION UNDER THE TOWN'S LAWS.
USUALLY WE GET A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
WE REVIEW THE ZONING, MAKE SURE IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING.
AND AS THE ONE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT STATE OF NEW YORK.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT, WHAT THEY CALL MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THIS PROCESS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, BUT IT WAS THE SUBJECT OF
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A PUD DESIGNATION.SO THE PUD DESIGNATION BY THE TOWN BOARD, WHAT, 40 YEARS AGO, SET THE ZONING OF THE SITE.
SO THERE'S NO ZONING CODE I CAN REVIEW, GIVE REVIEW.
IT'S THE PUD SETS, THE ZONING OF THE SITE.
AND IN DOING THAT, PUD THE THEY DID TO MEET THAT SEEKER, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS, THEY DID AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND THEN THEY MADE FINDINGS THAT SAID, YEP, THIS PROJECT AS DESIGNED WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEY, AND THEY PROCEEDED, THEY APPROVED THE PUD.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD OF TOWN BOARD HAS TO REVIEW IT AGAINST THAT SEEKER DECISION AND THEN MAKE THEIR DECISION ON THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW IS, FIRST OF ALL, REVIEWING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT PUD THAT THE TOWN APPROVED.
AS YOU SAW, IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
AND THEN SECONDLY, WE HAVE TO REVIEW THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION.
IS IT ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE FINDINGS THAT WERE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD 40 YEARS AGO? UNFORTUNATELY, THE FINDINGS, AND WE ALL AGREE BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLIEST ONES DONE IN THE TOWN.
THE SECRET LAW WAS NEW, NEWER, IT'S ONE PAGE.
USUALLY YOU'LL SEE A FINDINGS OF 20, 30 PAGES THAT SETS ALL THE PARAMETERS OF HOW FUTURE PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE APPROVED.
SO WE HAVE THIS ONE PAGE DOCUMENT AND A 40-YEAR-OLD ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT TO REVIEW.
THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO PRESENT NEW INFORMATION TO US.
SO THE FIRST DECISION IS, IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PUD.
THE SECOND DECISION IS A SECRET DECISION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, WITH THE ORIGINAL FINDINGS AND SEEKER.
OR WE CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR THERE'S OTHER THINGS THE PLANNING BOARD CAN DO.
AND THEN IF YOU GET THROUGH THOSE STEPS, THEN THEY GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO IT'S KIND OF, AND TO MAKE THOSE FIRST TWO DECISIONS, YOU'RE HELPING THE RESIDENTS ARE HELPING AND THE APPLICANT'S HELPING AND TRY TO GET US ENOUGH INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS IS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.
AND YOU'RE ALL AWARE ON THIS CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, IT WAS CALLED IN SOME OF THE PLANS, NEVER WAS A SPECIFIC LAYOUT OR ANYTHING.
IT JUST CALLED IT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN SOME PLACES AND OTHER PLACES DID.
SO IT'S CALLED, I FORGET, UH, THERE'S LIKE A, B, C, D AND WHATEVER AND ALL THE, AND ALL THE THINGS.
SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS APPROVED WHEN THEY DID THAT PUD, AND THEN GO THROUGH THAT, ALL THAT ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION AND LOOK AT STUFF LIKE, OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED TRAFFIC WISE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED ENVIRONMENTAL WISE.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL RULES HAVE CHANGED, LAWS HAVE CHANGED.
ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SO WE HAVE TO RE-REVIEW THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE, SO DREW, DREW YOU GUYS A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, RIGHT? IF IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO, OKAY.
SO THAT'S LIKE, YEAH, LIKE KYLE SAYS, YOU CAN SMOKE IN BARS.
WE, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT ISSUE ON EVERY PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE'RE APPROVED WE'RE EASY.
THAT'S WHY FOR EVERY PROJECT WE'VE ASKED FOR UPDATED INFORMATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET UPDATED INFORMATION.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THE RULES HAVE CHANGED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL RULES HAVE CHANGED, THINGS HAVE CHANGED OUT THERE.
BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF THAT ORIGINAL EIS OF THESE WERE THE ISSUES AND WHATEVER, AND WE'RE GONNA DO OUR JOB.
THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWS THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION.
SO NEXT QUESTION WAS, WHEN'S THIS PLANNING BOARD BOARD GONNA MAKE A DECISION? IT COULD BE A MONTH, TWO, THREE MONTHS, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DATA TO REVIEW AND INFORMATION, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR AFTER THEY GET THIS SUMMARY.
THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION FROM ME OR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, OR THEY MAY JUST PUT OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION TO THIS PROJECT.
AND IT GOT CONFUSING OVER THE YEARS.
THERE WERE AGREEMENTS MADE AND WHATEVER, WHEN CERTAIN PROJECTS WERE APPROVED, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THERE WAS ISSUES ABOUT THE HEART TRAIL AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I, I APPLAUD THE PLANNING BOARD IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AS YOU ALL FOUND OUT.
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS ON THIS PROJECT.
DREW, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S GOT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR DREW, WE CAN HOLD IT TILL AFTER THE MEETING PLEASE.
PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE DREW'S NOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN HIM IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHO WOULD DIRECT QUESTIONS TO YOU AND NOT HIM? OR CAN WE NOT ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WELL, WE, WE CLOSED IT.
SO IF THERE'S QUESTION AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS, PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE EFFICIENT.
IF YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH DREW OR JOSH THEN TO HOLD UP OUR MEETING FOR THE REST OF IT.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING
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PERSONAL INFORMATION.SO, SO EVEN IF I DID SUCH A THING, WE DON'T GENERALLY ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, WE, WE RECEIVE COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A BACK AND FORTH.
IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD NOT LEAVE TONIGHT
SO, SO WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.
BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, HOW DO THE HOMEOWNERS KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY TO MAKE A DECISION? I BE A PUBLIC NOTION.
IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOT DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING? NO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT THE, THE, THESE MEETINGS WILL BE NOTICED IN THE PAPER.
SO WHENEVER THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, IT WILL BE NOTICED.
AND I, AND I KNOW SARAH BEFORE USED TO NOTIFY PEOPLE, LET US KNOW.
RIGHT? AND JOSH WILL NOTIFY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T EXPECT EVERYBODY, BUT WE'LL NOTIFY REPRESENTATIVES.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA NOTIFY EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, BUT PLEASE LET JOSH KNOW.
WE'LL SEND OUT A NOTICE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS BACK ON THE AGENDA.
IT'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE UNDER PLANNING BOARD.
SHOULD BE, AND I HEARD NOTHING.
WE DIDN'T GET THE LAST MEETINGS MINUTES JANUARY 4TH.
THEY APPROVED THOSE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, WE, SO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MEETINGS BEFORE THEY CAN BE POSTED.
SO DID YOU APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? NO, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THOSE MINUTES YET.
UH, THERE'S BEEN PERSONNEL ISSUES WITH IT THAT HAVE SLOWED THINGS DOWN IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE WEBSITE'S A BIT BEHIND.
BUT THAT'S, YOU JUST GOTTA KIND OF MAKE DO, BUT WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS SARAH'S NOT AROUND.
SHE'S TO BE THE ONE THAT WOULD DO IT.
IF THERE'S, UH, A MEETING WHERE WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION, SOMEBODY'S GONNA CALL THE FEW POINT PEOPLE AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
IF THE ORIGINAL PUT AGREEMENT WAS ONLY ONE PAGE LONG, IS IT, IS THE QUESTION NOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AMENDED OVER, CAN'T ASK 30, 40 YEARS.
IT'S THE CONTROLLING, IT'S THE PERSON.
UM, WELL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH THE, THE QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE FOR A RESPONSE? YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ALL THE LETTERS YET? NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS YET.
UM, PROBABLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IF WE WANNA MOVE IT UP, WE CAN MOVE IT UP, BUT PROBABLY WE CAN, I THINK, I THINK MARCH FIFTEEN'S GETTING FULL ON, SO.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DATE OF OUR, 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT CALENDAR ANYMORE.
UM, GIMME ONE SECOND AND I'LL SEE WHAT, YEAH, I TOOK IT OFF THOUGH.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE SHOWING UP.
I FORGOT TO PUT THE, SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING OF APRIL IS.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE DEVELOPMENT TO APRIL 5TH.
THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY DENNIS.
SO THE EARLIEST WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS AS APRIL 5TH THAT THEY CALL AND WANT MORE TIME.
IT'S SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 5TH, BUT THEY COULD SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE TIME TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT BEEN RAISED.
AND IF, AND IF THEY DO THAT, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY REACH OUT SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHO DON'T SHOW UP ON A DAY THAT THE PROJECT'S NOT GONNA BE HERE.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF TAKE TWO MINUTES, PLEASE CLEAR OUT WHAT, THANK YOU ALL.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT TWO MINUTES.
YOU GUYS HAVE COPIES OF THE, THAT'S COOL.
I PULLED IT UP WHILE YOU WERE GIVING YOUR SPEECHES.
WHAT YOU GUYS TOO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING HARD COPY.
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WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH YOUR CLOSE.UM, SOMEBODY THE BACK DOOR JUST THANKS, SILENCE, REALIZE SOUND.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DAVID MANKO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD.
UH, PETER, SO, AND DAVE MANKO, UM, WE WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY, I BELIEVE WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
BUT I KNOW, UH, YOU GUYS ASKED FOR ALLEGATIONS AND DAVE DID DROP THOSE OFF.
BUT THEY'RE IN THE OFFICE IN THE, THEY'RE IN SARAH'S OFFICE HERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT CAN REMAIN SARAH'S OFFICE UNTIL IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S IN THE BASEMENT.
IT'S STILL CALLED SARAH'S OFFICE.
I DON'T NEED TO YOU RIGHT? SHE STILL DOES THE MINUTES.
SHE'S GONNA BE LISTENING TO THIS.
REMEMBER SHE'S PROBABLY WATCHING
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE DAN VOTE ON THIS.
UM, THIS PHASE FOUR, WE'VE HAD THE PREVIOUS PHASES IN FRONT OF SOME OF US, PROBABLY NOT ALL OF US.
WE WERE SENT THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION ON THE 10TH.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO ANY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, RIGHT? ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS WE WANT ON THE RESOLUTION? WHAT'S YOUR DATE OF ENGINEER DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER? THE 10TH.
ALRIGHT THEN I'LL JUST READ THE RESOLUTION AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
PHASE FOUR, MISSION HILLS APPROVAL.
RESOLUTION FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM DAVID MANKO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE FOUR OF THE MISSION HILLS PROJECT.
AND WHEREAS THE MISSION HILLS PROJECT WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND FINDINGS WERE ISSUED BY THE TOWN.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE SEEKER FINDINGS AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WHICH IS IN SUBSTANTIAL ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORIGINAL SITE LAYOUT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER FINDINGS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND PROJECT SEVERAL MEETINGS AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMPERING PLANNING BOARD GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 10TH, 2023.
TWO, ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS TO BE AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN AND INCLUDE STRIPED CROSSINGS.
FOUR WETLAND AREAS AND OTHER CONSERVATION AREAS SHALL BE DELINEATED IN THE FIELD AND PROTECTED FROM CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW WE DO GOTTA GET ALL THOSE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS NEXT ONE IS MY FAULT.
YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL AND I NEVER RESPONDED TO 'EM.
UH, THERE'S A REVISION TO SOMETHING WE APPROVED IN AUGUST 156 UNIT ATTACHED DWELLING PROJECT IN BRIARWOOD.
UH, CHANGES MADE TO THE APPROVED PLAN.
WE NEED TO DECIDE IF IT HAS TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RE-APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN OR IF THE CHANGES ARE MINOR ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
CAN YOU REMIND ME? ONE, SIX, HOPEFULLY DREW WILL BE ABLE TO REMIND YEAH, THE FIRST EXTRA ONE I, YES.
CAMMY AND, AND CHRIS ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT, AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED THE PROJECT AND SOMETIMES DURING THE PROJECT OF DOING FINAL, FINAL ENGINEERING, THEY HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
CAMMY IS USUALLY IN CHARGE OF ENGINEERS DEPARTMENT TO SAY, HEY, IS THERE
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MINOR CHANGES OR WHATEVER.IN THIS CASE, IT WAS LIKE WE WANNA AT LEAST COME BACK TO YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
YOU COULD SAY, NO DREW, YOU NEED TO COME BACK.
SO THEY'RE GONNA EXPLAIN THE CHANGES FROM WHAT YOU APPROVED.
REMEMBER WHAT THIS, THIS IS THE PROJECT OVER IN BRIAR ONE ON THE OTHER END OF BRIARWOOD.
UH, WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL OF THE PLAN THAT YOU APPROVED CONDITIONALLY ALL YOUR APPROVALS ARE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
THIS IS THE PLAN YOU APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT CHANGED.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL BASED ON DOT COMMENTS.
THE DFT MADE US ELIMINATE THIS DRIVEWAY.
THIS, SORRY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S ADJACENT TO, THERE WAS LIKE A PEOPLE INC.
AND THEN THERE'S A PROPOSED YEAH.
IT'S USED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE INC.
AND THEN THE HEART TRAIL CUTS THROUGH OVER HERE.
OKAY NOW, SO I'LL GET CLOSER SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE, THE DOT MADE US ELIMINATE THIS DRIVEWAY, WHICH CAUSED US TO MAKE A FEW LITTLE MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS ELIMINATED THE DRIVEWAY.
WE TOOK THE COMPACTORS THAT WERE IN THIS LOCATION SINCE THE TRUCK COULDN'T COME IN AND ACCESS THEM ANYMORE.
AND WE MOVED THEM OVER TO THIS LOCATION HERE SO THE TRUCKS COULD COME IN HERE.
PLUS IT'S ALSO MORE CENTRALIZED TO THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO BEING OVER HERE SO THE RESIDENTS CAN GET TO IT AS THEY'RE COMING AND GOING FROM THE SITE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE ACTUAL CLUBHOUSE FOOTPRINT ON HERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, WHICH IS SMALLER THAN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CLUBHOUSE FOOTPRINT.
AND SINCE WE ELIMINATED THE COMPACTORS DOWN HERE, WE TOOK ONE OF THESE DUPLEX UNITS AND PUT IT IN THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT WAS LIKE WHERE OUR UNIT WAS BEFORE AND IT GOT MOVED DOWN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER, YEAH, IT WAS LIKE WHERE UNIT, IT'S LIKE WHERE UNIT J WAS.
WE PUT IT IN THE CORNER OVER HERE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE COMPACTORS.
AND THEN H AND I ARE NOW ONE BUILDING.
AND WE TOOK H AND I THE TWO DUPLEXES AND MADE IT ONE FOUR IN BUILDING SINGLE STORY.
UNLESS, DID I MISS SOMETHING CAM? NOPE.
KEY ITEMS. YOU'RE NOT MAKING AN OFFICIAL DECISION TONIGHT.
YOU'RE, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT AN AGENDA.
SHE'S GOTTA MAKE THE DECISION ON WHETHER IT'S GONNA COME BACK HERE.
SO YOU'RE GIVING CAMMY INPUT ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS RETURN OR JUST WE'LL DO AND WITH ELIMINATION OF AN ENTRANCE MOVING OF SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.
I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU GUYS SAW IT.
'CAUSE IF NOT, I FIGURE IF YOU SAW THIS LATER ON, YOU'D ALL GO WAIT A MINUTE.
WHY IS THE FOUR MINUTE BUILDING DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS? IT IT'S COMBINED INTO, IT'S A DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPE INSTEAD OF THESE STANDALONE DUPLEX UNITS.
IT'S A, IT'S A SINGLE STORY ATTACHED FOUR UNIT BUILDING.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS ARE A BUILDING? LIKE K THAT'S NOT A FOUR UNIT BUILDING.
K THAT'S AN EIGHT UNIT BUILDING.
FOUR UNITS ALL HAVE ATTACHED GARAGES SIMILAR TO THE TOWN HOME UNITS EXCEPT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
YOU CHANGED THOSE BECAUSE IT WAS A HUD REQUIREMENT OR SOMETHING OR OTHER? WELL, I WASN'T GONNA GO INTO THAT PART OF IT, BUT RIGHT.
HUD, WHICH IS THEIR, THEIR FINANCING ENTITY FOR A PORTION OF THE PROJECT ONLY ALLOWS SO MANY DUPLEXES, SO MANY STANDALONE TWO UNIT BUILDINGS.
SO WE TOOK TWO OF 'EM AND PUT 'EM TOGETHER IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE, THE HU REQUIREMENT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CLUBHOUSE? THE CLUBHOUSE SMALLER.
THIS WAS MORE OR LESS A PLACEHOLDER FOR A CLUBHOUSE WE USED ON ANOTHER PROJECT.
AND THEN ONCE THEY GOT INTO THE DETAILED DESIGN OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THEY FOUND OUT THEY DIDN'T NEED AS BIG OF A CLUBHOUSE SO THAT THAT NEW FOOTPRINT REPRESENTS WITH WHAT THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BUILD.
THIS CLUBHOUSE WAS FOR A PROJECT THAT HAD ABOUT 300 UNITS.
SO THEY DON'T NEED AS BIG OF A CLUBHOUSE FOR LESS, YOU KNOW, FOR ABOUT HALF THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
AND THE TRA TRAFFIC STUDY WAS UPDATED TO ELIMINATE THAT AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED BY DOT.
IT'S A FAIR NUMBER OF CHANGES.
THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT JEFF WAITING FOR HIM TO TALK BECAUSE I CAN TELL HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
IT FEELS LIKE A, IT FEELS LIKE A FAIRLY, A FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER OF CHANGES.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL WE DID, WE MOVED, WE MOVED THIS
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BUILDING FROM HERE TO THERE.NO, I HEARD WE TOOK THOSE, WE CRUNCHED.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF WE MADE HIM COME BACK? WE'D HAVE TO DO HEARING AND REISSUE THE SITE APPROVAL.
SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK, UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT WE COULD HAVE THEM COME BACK, REPRESENT THE INFORMATION, SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND POTENTIALLY HAVE DECISION SOME INTRODUCTION AND IMPACTS OR SOME OF THOSE CHANGES IN DRAFT RESOLUTION PREPARED IF WE WERE READY TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE INPUT THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAD NO PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY.
THERE WAS A FEW PEOPLE THAT TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE INC.
ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE.
AND SEEKER WOULDN'T CHANGE, RIGHT? SO WOULDN'T CHANGE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND DO A RESOLUTION, IS THAT US INDICATING THAT THE CHANGES AREN'T SO BAD THAT WE SHOULD EVEN DO ANYTHING IF WE'RE ALREADY DECIDING TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BEFORE WE EVEN SHOWS UP? I MEAN, WOULD WE WANT TO BE NOTING THAT THERE WERE, THERE WAS FEEDBACK FROM THE DOT AND THAT DROVE CHANGES AND ISN'T THAT WORTH, 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT GOES IN THE SEEKER, LIKE AT LEAST NOTING AND DOCUMENTING WITH SOME SORT OF A MEMO.
RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN SEEKER WHEN, WHEN DOT COMMENTED ON THIS PART OF SEEKER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT COMMENT.
AND THEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE ADMINISTRATION CHANGED OVER THERE.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE SUBMITTED FOR THE WORK PERMIT FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S WHEN THEY PICKED UP ON THE, ON THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE.
SO YEAH, WE, WE RUKI WHEN HE WAS THERE, COMMENTS ON SOMETHING WE ALREADY APPROVED.
YEAH, YOU SEE IT IN YOUR PACKETS TONIGHT.
THIS IS A PRO, I I HAVE A RECALL IN THE ZOT THEY'RE TAKING A LOT LONGER TO REVIEW PROJECTS.
NOW I'M GETTING COMMENTS ON PROJECTS YOU ALREADY APPROVED.
WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT IF THEY NEED TO RETURN, WE THINK THE TACO BELL ONE, JUST AS AN ASIDE, A TACO BELL ONE IS BECAUSE THE SECRET COORDINATOR REVIEW HAD THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WE HATED AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE SEEN THE NEW ONE.
SO I HOPEFULLY, BUT AGAIN, CAM, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE, THE CHECK AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
CAMMIE IS THE, THE, THE, THE CHECK BASICALLY WHEN YOU APPROVE SOMETHING CONDITIONALLY, SHE'S MAKING SURE ALL REGULATORY APPROVALS ARE RECEIVED, THAT THE ENGINEERING IS DONE PROPERLY.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TAR, THE TOUGH JOB SHE HAS IS THAT IN THOSE DECISIONS, SHE'S GOTTA DECIDE IF THERE'S A MINOR CHANGE TO IT.
'CAUSE REMEMBER WE SEE CERTAIN LEVEL WHAT 30% PLANS USUALLY LEVEL OR WHATEVER IF THAT AND THEN, RIGHT.
SOMETIMES MORE DEPENDS UPON THE DEVELOPER.
WHETHER THEY'RE 30% OR 90% PLAN.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THESE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE EVERY DAY.
THERE'S ONE ON TACO BELL, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR APPROVAL TILL DOT SIGNS OFF AND SAYS THAT IT'S A PROBLEM.
HER ONE, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE WEST THIRD ONE OVER BY WANTED THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S THREE MONTHS LATER.
WELL, THE DT BUT THEIR PROBLEM IS THEY WANTED THE ENTRANCES BLOCKED.
WHICH WAS OUR PROBLEM MONTHS AGO.
AND THE FINAL APPROVAL HAS THOSE ENTRANCES BLOCKED.
SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL RESOLVE THOSE.
BUT ANYWAY, SO AGAIN, WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU AND, AND, AND IT HELPS CAMMY A LITTLE BIT THE, THE DAILY, WEEKLY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE.
MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE ANOTHER THING, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE MODERNIZING THE PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE SITE PLANS ON SPREADSHEETS AND WHATEVER AND SAY WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS SO ANYBODY CAN LOOK AND SAY, HEY, WHERE ARE THEY IN THE PROCESS? HAVE THINGS OCCURRED AND WHATEVER.
BECAUSE WE HAVE PROJECTS FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT.
AND PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHERE ARE THEY, HAVE THEY GOT SIGNED OFF? WHERE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THINGS CHANGED? WE FOUND ABOUT THE SOLAR PROJECT WE APPROVED LAST, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
SO BACK TO THIS ISSUE THAT'S JABS ASKING THE QUESTION.
WE WANTED YOU TO SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT'S HOPING YOU AGREE THAT THEY'RE MINOR ENOUGH THAT THEY DON'T CAMMY'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW DOES IT AFFECT ENGINEERING WISE? IT DID CHANGE, IT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BUT CHANGED ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THE BUILDINGS AT LEAST HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE THAT SPREAD OVER TWO.
THE ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN, I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT ENTRANCE ANYWAY.
BUT IT, IT HAPPENS NOT ONLY HAMBURG EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED FOR THE DOT FOR SEEKER ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WHEN WE SUBMIT FOR WORK PERMIT ARE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THE TECHNICAL DETAILS AND STUFF AND RIGHT.
WHERE'S THE EXISTING ENTRANCE? SAME FRAME.
SO WE JUST LOST THE SECOND ENTRANCE ON THE
WE LOST LIKE THE SERVICE ENTRANCE.
SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING? NO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE, WE STILL HAVE THE ENTRANCE ON ROGERS THAT WE CAN USE AND THEN IT'S STILL COMING OUT.
AND ONCE PEOPLE INC IS BUILT THERE, THERE'S TECHNICALLY A CONNECTION ON ROGERS HERE THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN USE AND PEOPLE INC.
PEOPLE COULD USE THIS DRIVEWAY AND THIS
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OTHER ROGERS ROAD DRIVEWAY CAN.IS THERE AN ISSUE? FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH ACCESS HAVING DUAL ACCESS, THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU CAN BUILD 200 UNITS.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU CAN BUILD 200 UNITS AS LONG AS THEY'RE SPRINKLING.
WELL TYPICALLY THAT HAS TO GO TO TIM WILLARD IN THE, SO WE'LL CHECK THAT ISSUE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE FIRE ACCESS AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TWO MEANS OF EGRESSES SITE.
WE DO, WE HAVE ONE ON RIGHT ROAD.
DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? NO, NOT ON THIS ONE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE PEOPLE INC ONE BUT NOT ON THIS PART.
SO I MEAN IT IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHANGES, BUT ARE THEY CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA ACTUALLY RIGHT AND DOES MEMORIALIZE ANOTHER? RIGHT.
WE, WE COULD DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND ANTICIPATE THAT NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY LOOKED AT AND HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED AND JUST DO IT.
OR WE CAN SAY, WELL IF IT'S ALREADY FOREGONE CONCLUSION TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE SAYING HAVE AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION, WHY EVEN BOTHER? AND SO THAT'S THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE TODAY.
AND THE PLANS THAT ARE GONNA USE THE, THE APPROVED PLANS THAT'LL GET CONSTRUCTED ARE THE ONES THAT CAMMY'S GONNA HAVE ON FILE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE BUILDING OFF SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE TOWN HAS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T WANNA ELEVATE FORM SUBSET.
AND JENNIFER ASKED A QUESTION, IT DIDN'T IMPACT TRAIL ALL THOSE THINGS, SO, UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR 12.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT THE CHANGES DON'T AFFECT GENERAL CONDITIONS.
ANY OF THE CONDITIONS YOU PLACED UPON THE APPROVAL OF THIS PLAN.
THE CONDITIONS WERE ABOUT THE HARD TRAIL AND OTHER THINGS AND WHATEVER.
ALRIGHT, SO I GUESS, UH, ALL YOURS.
YEAH, TALK ABOUT I THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU TALKING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE TO ME IT FELT LIKE A LOT AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SHELLSHOCK ANYONE ON THE PLANNING BOARD WHO SPENT ALL THEIR TIME REVIEWING IT AND JUST ALLOW CHANGES THAT SIGNIFICANT APPRECIATE THAT IT HAPPENS.
I MEAN I'VE GONE BY THE PROJECT HERE ON SOUTH PARK, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT THAT'S GOING IN NEXT TO HILBERT.
THERE, THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
BUT AGAIN, DURING ENGINEERING THEY HAD TO MOVE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY REMINDED ENOUGH THAT THEY MADE THAT DECISION.
WE JUST WANNA SIT AND LET YOU KNOW THE THINGS THAT GO ON BETWEEN WHEN SOMETHING GETS APPROVED AND THEN FINALLY GETS SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF USUALLY LITTLE CHANGES, ESPECIALLY FOR LARGER PROJECTS, SMALL PROJECTS, NOT LARGE PROJECT.
SO THE NEXT THING THAT WE'VE GOT ON HERE IS CAN WE SET A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING ON THE WEELL DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENTS? I, I SAY YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT ON MARCH 1ST AND WE APOLOGIZE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON YOUR AGENDA.
WE REALLY DON'T NEED A FORMAL APPROVAL.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING.
JOSH, WHAT JOSH HAS DONE AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE FILE AND FOUND FIVE EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA EMAIL THOSE RESIDENTS AND JUST LET 'EM KNOW TO LET THEIR NEIGHBORS KNOW AND WHATEVER.
BECAUSE REMEMBER ALL WE HAVE TO DO FOR PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING, THERE'S NO OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE THING IN THE PAPER THAT NO ONE EVER IS GONNA SEE.
SO AT LEAST LET THE FIVE PEOPLE KNOW THAT HAVE COMMENT ON THE PROJECT IN THE PAST.
AND IT'S THE PARKER ROAD PEOPLE TOO THAT COMMENTED ON HOW MANY THINGS WE HAVE ON FOR MARCH 1ST JUST THIS OR ON MARCH 1ST.
I HAVE, I HAVE, SO THERE'RE GONNA BE A WORK SESSION ITEM.
ASPEN DENTAL MADE THEIR APPLICATION BEFORE.
SO THEY'RE ON THE WORK SESSION FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
WE HAVE 4,100 SAFE PRICES DRIVING 3,800 OVERLOAD ON THERE.
UH, THE WETZEL PUBLIC SCOPING AND SEAN HOPKINS TOLD ME AND DREW, UH, THAT 7 1 6 STORES IS GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON FOR THE FIRST ONE.
AND BILL, ARE YOU ON THE ONE FRONT COMMITTEE? YEAH.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THESE, A BUNCH OF PROJECTS BEFORE THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE.
DO THEY HAVE A REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE OR SHOULD I EMAIL YOU OR JOE OR EMAIL? HANK.
YEAH, DO I HAVE HANK'S EMAIL? HOPEFULLY TO CHECK.
SO, UM, I MEAN YOU CAN EMAIL JOE TOO, BUT, UH, UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON E EMAIL, HANK YEP.
IT'S ALL DURING THE MEETING THOUGH.
OH, WE HAVEN'T ADJOURNED YET, BUT, OH, SORRY.
WHY DON'T YOU FINISH UP AND THEN WE'LL, UM, ALRIGHT, WE'LL FINISH UP.
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GOT MINUTES.I THINK WE HAVE MINUTES THAT SARAH CIRCULATED FOR THE MEETING FROM JANUARY 18TH.
I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING, SO I CAN'T VOTE ON THEM, BUT SHE CIRCULATED THEM AND THEN THERE WAS ISSUE WITH THE FORMATTING AND SHE RECIRCULATED THEM AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE ISSUE GOT FIXED WITH THE FOREMAN.
AND LET'S SEE, SHE'S WORKING ON THE FEBRUARY 1ST MINUTES.
SHE WAS WORKING ON THAT TODAY.
AND I THINK THE JANUARY 4TH MINUTES, THOSE WERE APPROVED ALREADY.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD GO MEETING.
WE JUST SOMEBODY THAT THEY WEREN'T, BUT I KNOW YOU DID, BUT I THOUGHT WE APPROVED THEM AT THE, WE ACTUALLY, WE APPROVED THEM AT THE LAST MEETING.
I, I DIDN'T WANT TO CORRECT YOU.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE GOT THOSE ON THE 28TH, SO WE DID APPROVE 'EM ON THE FIRST.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR JANUARY 18TH AS TYPED.
THEY WEREN'T THERE, BUT WE GOT FOUR.
YOU WANNA SAY THAT IN THE RECORDING FOR SARAH REAL QUICK? I THINK I DID.
OH, DAN AND KAITLYN DID NOT, UH, DO ABSTAIN BECAUSE NEITHER OF THEM WERE AT THE JANUARY 18TH MEETING.
SO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING MOTION BY KAITLYN SECOND.